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Tuesday, September 15, 2020
"On. The president has been quiet about the west coast wildfires. Until now, what did he say in California? It'll start getting cooler. You just watch climate experts warned that the worst is yet to come David Greene with Rachel Martin, and this is the first from NPR news. Hurricanes Sally, makes its way to Florida Mississippi and Alabama huge area of the Gulf coast is under hurricane warning and the storm is expected to bring a dangerous storm surge. This water will come through here and sweetness place away like it was never here and Israel's prime minister will be at the White House today to sign deals establishing diplomatic relations with both the UAE an Bahrain. It's not the big piece in the Middle East deal the president wanted, but is it a step in the right direction see with us we've got the news you need to start your day. 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Now, it is barely contained and that is the case with so many of the fires in California and Oregon, and in Washington state yesterday president trump paid a visit to California and California officials were pleading with him to acknowledge the reality of climate change. Kick Ud's Katie or joins us now from the California state capital of Sacramento Katie Good Morning. Thanks for being here. Can you just start by telling us the status of the fires? Sure. We have twenty eight major fires burning throughout the state right now with more than sixteen thousand firefighters working to contain them and we have people who've gone through these fires are waking up to A. Landscape marked by worry my colleague in Fresno Abbot's hall spoke with Lee Zero Suwa and her husband David. They feared their house had burned down. What can you say it's scary. Especially, the first couple of days the fire was moving. So quickly that you know we had no idea if the house would survive. So I think that's how everyone feels and I know there are several houses. On the next street on very road that were completely destroyed. They later learned their house was intact today though more than forty, two, hundred structures throughout the state have burned down. So David mentioned president trump was in California yesterday with state officials and the press and climate change is a big issue. Right tell us what happened. Right, I actually asked the president what role he thinks climate change plays in these fires he insisted as he has for years that it's all about forest management that years of leading the forest became overgrown and not well tended have turned them into tinder boxes. The president's argument though was met with resistance from officials here on the ground including California Governor Gavin Newsom who the president to reconsider his stance in light of what the state's experienced in recent years. Hottest August ever history state the ferocity, these fires, the drought five plus years losing one, hundred, sixty, three, million trees to that drought. Something's happened to the plumbing of the world, and then how did President Trump responded that? He didn't seem to appreciate it in one exchange California's Natural Resources Secretary Wade crow fit made repeated the central role of climate change in these fires and trump pretty much dismissed him. As we can hear, it'll start getting cooler. I. Wish just you just watch I wish science degree. I don't think signs knows actually and it's interesting. We're less than two months from the presidential election Joe Biden was addressing this yesterday to calling it a problem that requires action and quote not denial. But the president's comments we're not really intended for voters in California, and that's for two reasons. Everyone assumes California will vote Democratic in November and here in the state pretty much across the political. Spectrum climate change and the science behind it are not in dispute by politicians or by voters. The president's message that California is itself to blame for the massive wildfire seems more directed at his supporters in other states, and by the way it's worth noting that governor newsom pointed out the federal government owns close to sixty percent of the forest land in. California. While the State owns just three percent. Katie or of K. Cutie. Thank you. We so appreciate your reporting on this. You're welcome. So, let's stay with the effects of climate change for another few minutes because there are historic fires in the West and there are an unprecedented number of hurricanes in the southeast near. That's right the four storms brewing in the Atlantic basin communities along the Gulf of Mexico right now are bracing for the impact of Hurricane Sally. It is forecast to make landfall either late today. Or maybe in the overnight hours somewhere near the Alabama Mississippi state line, we've got NPR's Debbie Elliott with us now from orange. Beach Alabama Debbie thanks for being here. What are the conditions right now? Well, we're starting to feel the outer bands of the hurricane sally is just offshore. That means you know some gusty winds waves of heavy rain that come through over and over. Already, Bay waters have been rising and of overtop some peers and flooded some roadways here in my neighborhood. I spent a little bit of time yesterday as the storm was approaching at the Public Beach in Gulf shores, Alabama, and there were a lot of people outside seeing including Mary Bell. She was on vacation from Tennessee and she she was amazed to see just how fast the water was coming. Well. The surface churning and we watched the levels rise coming closer on the beach in places where the water has gone and made its own little canal through between the condos. Now, this is repeating itself all up and down the Gulf coast a large stretch from the mouth of the Mississippi to the Florida panhandle is going to feel the effects of this very large hurricane sally. Are People, taking the threat seriously sounds like at least the government's making some restrictions. Yes. Definitely officials are all the Gulf states affected of declared states of emergency some of the low lying areas, barrier islands and the like have evacuated shelters have been opened. The National Guard is standing ready to help with search and rescue with needed and distributing emergency provisions all along the coast people have been trying. To sort of secure their property getting things in that might become projectiles with hurricane. Force winds moving boats to save harbor that type of thing here in Orange Beach yesterday owner. David Schwartz had a small crew putting up aluminum storm shutters on his restaurant doc seafood because it's just across the road from the Roiling Gulf. Of Mexico I'm not really worried about wind or anything I'm. Worried about storm surge. This water will come through here and sweetness place away like it was never here and it's just scary when you think about it. Hearing that Debbie from other people the storm surge is the biggest threat. Yeah and forecast will tell you that water is the biggest issue up to nine feet of storm surge expected. That's essentially a wall of water that can move on shore with a destructive for also flash flooding is going to be a real problem here because sally is moving so slowly. So it's just soaking the Gulf coast. It's been dumping rain on Florida for days now and forecasters say some areas could get up to two feet of rain. That is a very significant flood risk even well inland. So we're just watching to see what will happen, and of course, we just had Hurricane Marco Hurricane. Laura. These are two historic storms that came through the Gulf of Mexico last month can you just put all this into perspective for us? What kind of year suspend? It's certainly a very busy season and there are a lot of people. Eighteen thousand in Louisiana still displaced from Hurricane Laura. So it's very troublesome. NPR's Debbie Elliott we appreciate it. Thank you. All right today at the White House Israel will sign diplomatic deals with two Arab nations, the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain. Year and the trump administration is framing this as a diplomatic breakthrough reshaping the Middle East for decades most Arab states have refused to recognize Israel and establish ties until the Israeli. Palestinian. Conflict was settled. Well, that's changing now here's really Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu before he departed for the United States we're witnessing. Of History. A pivot towards peace. So is that true? Let's talk about with NPR's Daniel. Estrin joining us from Jerusalem Good Morning Daniel. This is not the big piece in the Middle East result that the trump administration one it right? Yeah. That's right. The administration spent years developing an Israeli Palestinian peace deal and they presented it in January and it went nowhere The Palestinians refused to engage because the administration has just been taking steps siding with Israel and against the Palestinians. So then the US pivoted. To a completely different kind of peace plan entirely a peace between Israel and Arabs in the Gulf and this is actually something that the administration and Israel have been pushing for a long time is real in the Gulf have had covert ties for a long time, and you know that all these countries want county run. So they're now coming out in the open with their ties and and they WANNA start commercial flights, open trade open cooperation so it is really a big change. So Palestinians aren't in this deal, right? I mean how how are they viewing us? The Palestinians are pretty stunned. There had been this longtime pact between nearly all of the Arab states that you don't make peace with Israel, until our resolve its own conflict with the Palestinians. But now you've got these two new deals with Israel, even the Arab League has refused to condemn this. So Palestinian leaders feel betrayed, and now the trump administration is hoping the Palestinians see all this happening and cave and strike a deal with Israel, it's clear. The Palestinians are not going to do anything until they see if Joe Biden wins the election but Palestinian officials I've been speaking with say. We're not totally abandoned in the world. They still have support from socially justice minded Americans they say, and and a lot of Arab societies even if their governments are changing. So. Why not just keep the status quo I mean, what's in it for the UAE in Bahrain to us? They. Both want curry favor with the US they want to align with Israel against Iran. Specifically, the Emirates is hoping that the US is going to reward them and sell them. F. Thirty five's the advanced fighter jets, which is a controversial thing in Israel. Bahrain is a smaller country but what's important is that they would not be doing this without support from Saudi Arabia. So that could be a hint of where the Saudis are eventually headed, and that's what is really wants peace with the Saudis. and. Of course, there's an election here in a signing ceremony at the White House makes for good campaign at. That's right. Trump and the Israeli leader Benjamin Netanyahu both need huge achievements and Netanyahu facing a huge crisis back home one of the biggest new covert outbreaks in the world. Are Eight Daniel Estrin reporting for us from Jerusalem on the signing ceremony that's supposed to take place today at the white. House. Israel the UAE and Bahrain all sending a new diplomatic deal. Daniel thanks we appreciate it. You're welcome. And that is up I for this Tuesday September fifteenth. I'm Rachel Martin and I'm David Greene. You Hope you start your day back with us right here tomorrow and we know the news doesn't stop when the PODCAST is over. So you can follow us on twitter at verse that is where you can keep up with more NPR stories and we appreciate you. 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Self Bows with Clay Hayes
"Hey Everyone Dennis here with the seek outside podcast before we get started today. I just want to ask that. If you've been enjoying our podcast please go leave us a review. Wherever you get your podcast today. Kevin I are joined by Nathan. Fell coworker of ours as well. As Klay Hayes of twisted stave can find clay at twisted stave? Dot Com twists stave? Youtube twisted save on instagram. Clay is a bowl builder youtuber. All around good guy so. Please enjoy our conversation today. Was Clay Abyan fehb wary so I've been on Baby locked down for a while a little girl. So we've got a four year old boy in fourteen months old girl. Now all right and busy you in Florida. Where in Florida but right now. We'll be down here till the end of May. I think we may end up staying a little longer but that was the original plan. I was GONNA. I've try to hit the. Ha Rendezvous on the way back which is why we had planned on Department at that time but I guess it gamble that now so that's messed up glanced online. It's going to be like burning man. Yeah yeah that sounds awesome cool. How's things going for you? Play Eric going been extremely busy. Building bows and doing Bo building classes and then Decided that I wanted to build a sawmill. So I've been working on that and cutting logs for a log cabins toward doing all sorts of fun stuff all in Florida. Making the log cabin in Florida. Yep Yep say. It's not something that I really planned on. But it's something that I always wanted to do. And my brother started that he wanted to clear out some would To make a pasture and there was a lot of big nice pine logs on there he was just going to give them away so I said well might as well take advantage of it and get them so. I got a bunch of logs from him and Been feeling the bar on them and Trying to get ready to stack them up and and store them till next winter when we get back down here and we can start to hopefully start on the on the cabin. Then you're sawmill. You Planning on doing like a ban mill twenty four inch throat depth or or what? Well Yeah I'm planning on building a ban mill and I was planning on building something I can cut. You know. Maybe a thirty inch log with but I I went and dug an old generator. Old Diesel generator out of the woods. That was at my brother's house probably been there. For twelve or fifteen years and ended up getting that thing going and so I just pulled the motor off of it and it's a twenty diesel engine so I'm thinking about scaling up my design making a big one. Yeah it's funny. I'm actually planning on building a sawmill this year as well. But it'll be a four chainsaw mill. It's a pro cut. Canada sells plans for it. And I've already got an MSI data on a grand bargain. Neil that Do Slabs I think about the widest. I can do about fifty four inches. We've got a lot of big oak trees that have come down in storms over the years and I'm been trying to find a way to use them and so I think the mill will make it a lot easier actually cuts and dimensional lumber versus. Just the slabs grand. He's a lot of work. I yeah. I'm not familiar with the with the design that you're talking about you don't you couldn't just You couldn't just square up the the edges and flip it and and cut dimensional that way. Well when you're talking about a log that's forty eight inches. Yeah you don't have log handling stuff that can handle that and no band mill will touch it. Unless it's like a Matt Cremona or a Guy. He's Canadian woodworks or something like that. They've got giant ban meals if they cut slabs with but just a normal portable sawmill. Can't do anything over twenty four to thirty. So you'd have to quarter the log and my thinking is that's a shame to do because if you can cut a two and a half inch thick by forty four inch wide red oaks lab and make a table out of one slab of wood. That is a lot rarer than yielding X. amount of dimensional lumber out of you know something even if it is quarter sawn like flooring fund quarter Sawn Oak flooring all all day long. You can't find a forty four inch slab. Yeah yeah there's Of the things I wanted to do was Up there where last place. I went and cut the most age for both days. guy had some absolutely giant. Say Trees there were probably I duNno. They were twenty eight inches. H Yeah but They were way too gnarly to make bows with. Make some awesome tabletops and you know labs were. We got one osage growing fence row. That's a triple trunk. It must have been a region after stump cut and H. One of those stems is probably two foot. Tell me where that bring my chainsaw. Better better bring a couple chains with is pretty tough cuts. I know I don't. I don't ever go without without taking a backup and a chainsaw. Come to the seacoast side podcast. Today's topic is home. Sawmills CHAINSAW TO NATHAN. Your stall mill. That you're you got plans for his utilize a chainsaw. Yeah okay. Msa D- It's a giant chain saw Steel makes it it It's the biggest one that they make Just huge the only reason I have. It is because my my best friend. manages a service department for a John Deere Dealership and they are still dealer as well and he got me a really really really good deal so I was able to get one and I've got a sixty inch bar for it so I can. I can cut slabs up to about fifty four inches with my current setup. GotTa be a Man. Run that man. Yeah that's that's why the log deck and carriage and all this stuff is going to be nice because I won't have to pick everything up and moving all the time that's that set up with the long bar on. It's probably fifty sixty pounds and is too much for me. You'RE GONNA. You're gonNA build a giant bone Nathan. No I don't think so I wouldn't be man enough to pull it so clay. You've been doing a lot of Bo building workshops so those been going they They've been going. Good we I things the vaccine. Not Not so much. The workshops but the Youtube Channel and And all that stuff is as actually picked up since Since all Cova stuff I think people just did at home watching Youtube was Sunday. July has One in the shop that he followed off of your one of your videos awesome awesome. Yeah the but the BO building Classes the in person classes They haven't been They haven't dropped off at all and we're actually This year we had every single class booked up and we're booked up through the end of the year. We're already scheduled for next year. Walk Walk me through a Bo Building Class. Like is it multiple days. Take him out in a you start like cut some trees down in start there they get to pick the tree was it looked like yeah so it's They folks have an option for three or a five day class The three day classes just standard building a one piece usually along does some people want to build a reeker And they'll start with an oath age stave that I have here and so They get to pick out the state you know. Help them help them. Pick out the the thing they start with whatever they want. I've got a Lotta Different staves here And Day one is just a getting it to one ring on the back when annual growth ring and then Trying to do a little rough out. day to is. Is You finish the rough out start on the tailoring which means getting the the limbs to bend evenly side to side and then on a a good arc over the whole limb and then the third day is finishing off the tailoring process. Getting it the full draw Doing all the finish work on the bow and everything and then if you wanted to make to peace takedown bow. That's that's where the five day thing comes in and then I've had some people that that opted to take a five day class but make to bose instead of making a cheapies so when people are done are these bows they can actually go hunting with or are they better used for target and it's GonNa take them three four five seven eight more bows to get to be something that they would affectively hunt with but well it depends on the person You know Most people when they come in weaken if Houston for a target weight so they're shooting for fifty pounds at whatever their Whatever they're drawing says we can usually hit that or get pretty close to it unless something happens late in the process So you take off a little bit too much would and one spot one part of the limb when they're almost to their draw. Lincoln draw weight. Well if you if something like that happens you've got to fix that. And the only way to fix that is take what off the rest of the boat which drops the weight down But most people that come through the class can hit whatever weight And draw link. They're looking at And so if their objective is To to build a hunting bow that we can usually do that But like I said you know things that always happen or can always happen and but we try to try our best to to get the bow that somebody wants. So what are some of the types of wood to build US softball out of well? I I use those saints a lot. Because it's in my opinion is probably the best boat where we have in. North America and I have access to it. There's They grows all throughout the Midwest a lot in Oklahoma But then there's also a band of it that runs through Central Alabama in the Alabama Mississippi State Line. And so. That's the only place here in Florida. That's only to two hours a little over two hours to get up into where that stuff growth And I just went probably a month ago and cut a big load of it and And split all that up and I probably got Hundred both days out of that that I wouldn't cut or more and you ever used Eastern Hawk Corn Bean You. I I have never used it. Personally I've talked to other guys that have used it and they say it's a pretty good Bo. Would but you know. I've just never messed with it because I'm always had access to to good osage. We love it. We've got a ton of it here on the farm and makes you psychos. It's very dance so it looks great firewood but a lot of other uses. Yeah I mean I always say if it use what you have People that's one of the big questions when people Think about getting the BO building. They want to know where they can buy an osage day. But you know to to start with if you're building a boat by yourself. I mean you're GonNa make mistakes that's how you learn as part of the process And it kind of hurts when you make a mistake on a hundred dollar osage. You've got a Bo we got Hick Hickory or or popcorn or something like that in the woods by your house go cut that stuff and and use that because they'll make good bows And it's you know if you can get it for free. That's that's what you need because you're going to. You're going to need to make a a few of them before you start really getting dowd in when what about like out. West we're We're in Colorado like what's out here in you know Forgive my ignorance but what would I use out here in my backyard well The the juniper will actually make good bow. If you back it was something And and what I mean by that is To the back of the bow is the part that faces away from you when you are holding it and drawing it and Hickory tends to be history. But juniper tends to become a brash would mean and it'll it'll crack or really exploded. It's a pretty volatile. Would and so you gotta you gotTa put something on the back of the bow that can withstand that tension and that could be seen. You could be another type of wood like Hickory or something like that but that's one option And Service Berry. If you've got service barry around you should You know if you get down around the creeks or kind up in the mountains. Some of that Choke Cherry would probably be alright but again I would probably back that with something but as far as like really top notch woods You know the two that we have in North America but if you say and you're just not going to have access to that stuff but you know you can you can't build those with your local materials just kind of look around to find. Good juniper some good service weary Sorry I don't know if you guys can hear the song in the background here so What attributes are you looking for in a really good? Would well a a good Bo would have to stand? So if you think about the The forces that are exerted on a boat with being drawn The back the part facing away from US under tension and the belly the part that is facing is under compression and so a good Bo would have to be able to withstand both of those things And osage is just happened to be really good in both of those Pacific you hardwood is good in compression in the fat would is good intention and so with the Pacific you bow us. Leave the apple it on the boat It's like a the bow. Come through the bow would comes with. Its own national backing You know she got things like Hickory. And some of the white would Hickory especially is really good intention. It's not the greatest thing compression and so what that means is when you draw the bow That belly would tends to get compressed in the bow will stay bent And that's called string follow or set and that's not really a desirable thing you want that. ideally you won't vote a spring back to original shape Immediately when you string versus versus stay in bent that makes it's kind of like a spring that's lost its spring though. Basically if it's over compressed takes set then when the bow is strong it has zero tension on the string. Yup Yup cool. That is really interesting but you did not know that Just a amazing. How you it makes me think about the you know the native Americans and how they learned all this through trial and error but they they knew a lot more about this kind of stuff than than we do. Now I. It's just amazing. Yeah it is actually pretty amazing that they were able to figure out. Make workable enough bose At that time the could be functional. I mean of course. They didn't probably have this some of the same challenges there wasn't a specific hunting seasons and things like that. Yeah they they were. I I had when I was in college or when I when I shortly after. I graduated with my bachelor's degree. I took a job down in south Texas and it was a a white jail study with Texas. Am Now I was one of the technicians down there but it was on? It was on one of those big high fence ranches down there that that was like virtually no hunting pressure. It was a very very large ranch over one hundred thousand acres and I think they killed like seven or eight year off this and so the deer were completely unpressured and that I mean they were it was it was a high fence rance but these pastors that they were in like ten thousand acres or wasn't like they were in a pin. They weren't that But being down there made me realize how different pressured white tails are from unpressured white shelves. Because I guarantee you if you gave me five days. I could've killed a boone and Crockett whitetail with a spear down there. I mean they were just that you know they just were cagey like are white tailed here on public lands that we that we were familiar with and I think that that kind of thing like before European You know market hunting and all that stuff. All the pressure was placed on North American wildlife. I feel like that's what the natives were. Were dealing with that kind of That kind of animal. Almost different species Earning sometimes you see l. up in remote locations and they're entirely different than high pressure though they'll be laying out number line it'll be bugling in the middle of the day all sorts of stuff and I've been some trips like dumb. You know when I was. I did a trip in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and musk-ox-like probably forty yards away from us and didn't really seem to bat. An eye didn't seem to get anything really about it. Probably 'cause you weren't Wolf Wolf says it doesn't know what a what a person is. So what can you do to get Dennis? This year to go softball. Instead of his trusty compound get him get him off the training wheels. Well I don't know it's it's I feel like like anybody that really loved hunting for hunting. Not Not just With the end goal in mind killing an animal I think I think all bow hunters are curious about traditional archery and a lot of them You know if you hunt or the hunt itself and further experience. I think a lot of them would Eventually come to traditional archery or or or at least dabble in it. But I always say like when you you should. You should start thinking about traditional archery when you could lead a three hundred inch bowl walk at forty yards and Jesse happy to have seen him and been that close to him because it will happen. I guarantee you I. You know I've been. I can't tell you how many times I've been within compound shot of elk that I would've shot and you know the nothing I can do about it. Just got to wait for a better opportunity or let him walk or try to get a little bit closer But if you can if you can get there then you're ready but if you can't get there you'll have actually had that happened. My first traditional archery season at edible about big sixty six bullet about forty yards and he was hung up there and I was like. Yeah but you know did you did you Did you regret having your your traditional though? No I didn't I didn't I mean I I knew full well delimitations going in And I would've been happy to. I would have considered a four by four bul a trophy that just so happen to be that A four by four was coming in term to me and then the big heard bull Chased him off and came down up. So and that's that's exactly what I'm talking about if you can if you can have that kind of experience and and just be happy to have had the experience That's what it takes you know but a lot of guys would listen to that and they're like no way. I kill an elegant sixty or seventy yards with my compound and there's no way I'm letting one walk it forty yards And I I I can understand that but at the same time like when you put in a lot more effort it takes a lot more work to make it happen but when it does happen. It's just I feel like you get a whole lot more out of it. You know I really feel I could get out foot in. Now I've seen videos shooting You're pretty good shot so I mean you really. What do you consider as your walkaway distance to let them walk thirty five thirty or is it dependent upon the animal and the animals temperament and position? Bunch of other things. Yeah that's the question. I get fairly often. Like what's my what is my What my self imposed limits and I you know I don't really have one Because may lead to go inside and to rain and I don't really have a limit because I don't know what is going to happen. You know if it feels right then I'll shoot if it doesn't feel right I won't see And a good example of that. I had probably five or six years ago. I had a really nice bull at ten yard but it was in the timber and there was some stuff in the way And I just didn't you know I didn't feel comfortable about the shot. I would have had to really try to squeeze it through Some type thought But then I think four years ago I shot a bowl at thirty five yards in this. You know if you'd asked me before that you know would you? She was something that thirty five yards and I said well I don't know probably not but I I might if I had the right opportunity but the I think what it comes down to is when you are in that situation if you are confident in your ability to make the shot then why would you not take it. But if there's if you're hoping to make the shot that's the problem You know if you're if there's a doubt in your mind that's GonNa that at least for me that messes with my shooting. And so if there's a doubt I just don't even shoot. No you should primarily get or. Where do you shoot more instinctive one verse layout? Yeah I talk a lot about gap shooting because it's a very understandable way. It's easy to explains a new shooters and so I tend to when I do shooting video. I'll talk a lot about that But really what I do is it's kind of like it's really a combination between gap and So I use my arrow tip as a reference point and I'll use that to line up my left and right but the the actual gap or the elevation. That's more of an instinctive thing because I'm not thinking about you know I'm at twenty yards. I need a fourteen inch gap or something like that. I'd never even crossed my mind. You know I just know what my sight picture looks like at at twenty yards and I put my air there so basically. You're still gap shooting. But you've done it so much that your mind is does it automatically for I think most instinctive shooters are actually shooting gap. They just it happened quickly and they don't they don't know it. I feel much I would agree. I would agree that they just aren't really processing that the same way if you if you put them in a dark room and shine a light on target and they don't know the distance. I don't know that many people would be able to do very well without seeing their ero before they should. You Better Watch yourself Nathan. You'll start getting hate. Mail remind artery shop for four years and we were pretty big traditional archery shop so I dealt with quite a bit. Not as much as you have but I do think most people need to see that reference point before they turn one loose. I I agree. I totally agree. No do you have a preferred way that you wait your arrows. I mean I know a lot of people talk about F O C and stuff like that do you do. Is there something you found that works best especially for the big game? Well I I like I Like High F. O. Sierras I mean all the doctor ask a research. That stuff just makes sense to me. I can understand them to and so You know I like to shoot would And you're relatively limited in the amount of epilepsy you can get with would errors. I'm shooting carbon cell. Just doesn't feel right but I get them. I usually try to get him about as high as I can get them in. That means shooting the tail. Tapered Shaft A relatively lightweight shopping in most of the weight upfront. But I think my total era ways. It's going to be on the air that I'm hunt with right now. It's going to be maybe six six twenty or something like that. And that's what won ninety Meet head on the front. Have you have you always shot? Kind of stick goes for forever and ever I have since I started making those and that was about ninety nine Before that well I had I had had. I had a record when I was a kid. My brother found one the guardrail. Someone and brought home. And so you know. I don't know twelve thirteen fourteen and I shot at rabbits and squirrels and stuff like that non. I think when I was fifteen I gotta compound to deal with and I shot that for a couple of years until I started making those But once I started making them I I sold the calmed down and just went with that full full time. How long were you successful right away with with to yourself as far as like Like white tails and suffer. What was that transition like It depends on what your definition of success. Yeah I I it took me. You know the the I. It's been a long ago. I can't really remember but I I actually shot a deer with the first one of the first cell phones I ever made. It was probably the fifth or six Bo that I made And that was my first year But I was young and inexperienced and jump the deer the I was a little bit back and the deer walked off into the brush and laid down twenty yards from where I'd shot her and when I got out of my tree stand jumped her up and I just couldn't find her Because eighteen and nineteen years old But after that it took me three years to kill a deer and Because I was. I don't know if that one experience Kinda mess with my head or There's probably a combination of that and just not knowing how to shoot very well I was trying to she instinctively and just wasn't very good at it But I finally killed Vir after three years and then it seemed like something clicked and I started killing beer after that now. We talked I don't know is a few years ago and you done a film. It was the Salmon River. One I forget the name of it. The Deer Hunt and you've had talked about Not acting like a Predator. When you told your believe it was or some sometime in that not acting like a Predator to the Have you have you worked with that anymore? Since then or was that a one time trick you tried and it was good or have you went like I'm just GonNa nut like Predator a lot of times you know I. I haven't I haven't done that anymore because I haven't found The right situations If I went on that hunt again I would. I would do that from day. One But I like I don't i. I don't think that I could get that to work with elk. If not the that we hunt anyway Those things see you. And they run for a mile And then the white tail the problem with White Jail. They know like we. We do late-season heart where it might work. But you'd have to spend a Lotta time. Getting the deer acclimated to your presence. I think you'd have to spend more time than than I would have a lot to be out there But I it could probably work on that onto the problem with white deal is if they are the least bit of alert and shoot at one they just. They're just not bigger when the Arrow gets there. I mean if they're looking at you might think of these five feet from you and they they're just not going to be there when the Arrow gets there. They're so quick But with the meal there they just don't seem to have that kind of reaction speed or at least I haven't seen it anyway. I'm into you split your time between Florida. And then Idaho. So you're you'RE L. Cutting in Idaho then. Yeah and then I saw some Chasing pigs in Florida this spring right. Yeah young gun look like you had your son out there as well How old is he in? He's shoot a cell phone too. Yeah Yeah so then. Jess turned eight here. Last month he was was was when I When he shot that paid seven yes I didn't when I when that happened. I didn't go out there with the intention for him to shoot a pig. I just you know. Always carry an era where you know with the rabbit or squirrel or something you know. Hell ain't grabbed that area when he had other player. What's it what's that like You know just raising raising kids in that life right. He's he's seven in shooting things. The Bowman like super rare right like that's not even for hunting families incidents. That's rare. Yeah that's pretty abnormal. Either rare kid with those in both of my boys On you know they that that lifestyle just something to save lives since birth or let's just been immersed in that type of stuff so it's not something that Out of the ordinary for them You know we. We've got the little little farm up in Idaho and we got on out and they can bow their and I mean since they were pretty young they they've been out there just kinda on their own unsupervised Building forts and playing and things. Like that. And I I think that has been pretty important for for their development. I mean they're pretty independent because they you know they start to figure things out themselves now. Your wife hunts as well right. I think I saw a video or or she has hunted right. And you wanted so yeah. Yes he's I wouldn't hunter. He will like she wouldn't be warrants to grab a ride or go out on her own She will go with me and she will go Like if we need me so if I got the right one and going and see the beer Without hesitation with the boys growing like if GONNA from you know they eat a lot and so it's difficult for us to to put enough meat in the freezer and so even with a pretty good sized Gallo And My dear and in Idaho you get your one beer and get one bag. You know. That's not really enough and so I think it's going to be more important as time goes on for her to More get more definitely desolate so now. I noticed like through your blog. You'd have a lot of Butchering and feel dressing And even tracking tips Do you do you have a strong preference towards The Light Nathan on this call. Nathan does an exceptionally good job with breaking down an animal products for that What kind of tips do you have? Or do you have strong preferences one way or other breaking down animal in the field. Well I think I don't. I think I covered it pretty well in that video after I shot my elk. This last season That was a pretty comprehensive. Basically the way I'd do it I I usually at least for the past. I don't know six or seven years. I've been doing the gutless methods and just you know it's just so much nicer to not have to fill those gut down. There's no real reason to do it anyway. I mean you get tenderloins out You can even get the Rim need if you WANNA go in between the ribs and all that stuff you do all that without full in the of the animal and I do usually pull the hard out But you can cut a couple of ribs you know and get through there for that but as far as like any of the other. Oregon's liver and all that stuff I I don't care for it But if someone did I mean they could. They could get to that from the top of the animal using the gut with method. Without you know still without spilling guts out But I think you know folks haven't tried that they should definitely give it a try and then Check out the video and not that on my channel. I think as far as my thoughts on tips on the job experience experiences. A big part of it Just knowing where the meat goes and where the bones are and where you need to cut To really clean job lot of that discounts with experience. Unfortunately you know if you're breaking down your I it's probably not gonNA look as clean as if you're breaking down your pants or y'all grew up till hunting so we I don't know how many white tails broken down before I did my first elk. I literally don't know It's been a lot So I've got a good idea of where the Sirloin is. And how to cut the loins out and and all that stuff and you can fillet that stuff next to the bone with relight cuts and just kind appeals out and you don't you don't lose much doing it that way okay. Yeah so even when he talking more about the butchering they actually like quartering on the field. and really just kind of about at all. I think the thing that I think that times I've hunted with Nathan that I makes him really good at it is he seems to have a tremendous amount of patients during the process. Right I have a little bit of our hard time with my patients. I'm like Oh let me get this thing on my back and get a load out of here right Versus you know well. Let's just take our time. This might take three hours here or whatever right you know look at it. What is the best way to cut this every animal at least in the field? A lot of times. It's a little bit different. They rarely expire in this beautiful flat park in the handle that has nothing around and no dirt or tall grass. Just coming up that usually on the side of a hill partially caught up in a tree. Or whatever I really like the one that slide down the hill for ten feet from the place that you started before you get done. It's it's funny but Two years ago Kevin and I did a backpack hunt together and Was By far the most successful Hon. I've ever been all and in three days. I got an elkin meal deer and Kevin got meal there. It's funny both of mine. Expired on probably thirty five or forty degrees slopes piled up on trees and Kevin shot his own forty degree slope ran to the top of the ridge in only only flat spot within a mile perfect. Yeah we were busy packing out on the trip I remember we went to the processors that we took it to writing. They were like you guys know there's horses so now you do home butchering as well. Right do you do all of that like do you prefer to age? The OCHRE D. Ochre deer or or is it. You just do it as soon as you can. Now if the if the weather's right yeah I hang them I mean I've I've only elk and deer for you know ten days just out in a Coverage shed our at our place. I think it makes a huge difference in the in the quality of the tender. It is but have you guys done much of that you know. I tried it for the first time this year because of course I'm in Tennessee. So the weather is not what it is in Idaho Colorado. We don't get days and days and days where it's below freezing at night and it's low humidity which are conditions that you won't for dry aging here. It's it's going to be fifty or sixty during the day. Which is a no-go Kevin mentioned? Something that I guess it comes from home. Brewers they will turn a deep freezer into a refrigerator with an external temperature controller. And it's just a little thing that plugs into the wall cost like twenty five bucks and you plugged the The deep freeze into that and then you put a temperaturepro inside the deep freezer and it it will only turn the deep freezer on when it needs to cool down and you can set a range of temperatures for it so my my buck. I got this past year. I was able to keep the hindquarters in that deep. Freezer at thirty seven degrees. I not cut them up for two weeks Awesome and the convenience factor. Is WELL WORTH IT. You know when you work full-time you've got kids. It takes a while to break down completely break down into steaks and everything and get everything vacuum sealed and put up so being able to do it over two week time span. I'd I'd have a couple of hours. Free just go get a chunk of whatever and bring it to the House and get it processed and backing sealed in the freezer. The convenience factor that for that twenty five dollars temperature controller is amazing in my opinion that that's a real game changer. For me you need to do a little story on that. That sounds interesting it. It was really nice. All I did was put like a couple of milk crates down in the bottom of the deep freezer to get the meet up off the bottom. So it won't sit in water or is and You know I just sat there and and dry aged almost perfectly have you. Have you noticed the difference? Is it better? That was a buck in the heat of the right and he was a four or five year old buck so it's not the greatest venison in the world but it's probably better than it would have been If I had not done that. Yeah and Clay when you're when you're hanging in your meat and you have ideal conditions. What does it? What does that look like like temperature swings? And is it freezing bill real hard at night? Well I'm I'm pretty casual about it. I don't really pay a whole lot of attention to to like having a perfect conditions and sometimes you age like age just because you have to For instance we were in L. A. It's probably been three years ago. I shot a bowl on eighth day as a hunt and I think we were there for two weeks But we were hurting it. You know. Our camp was probably eighty five hundred and it was getting down into the OH. I don't know high twenties at night and then during the day get up the probably sixty degree but it was You know I kept it hung in the shade and then during daytimes I would put a fake Lincoln around the folders and then at night. I'll take that off. And so the meat fade really cold and it was up there for. I don't know seven eight days In under those conditions and it turned out just fine But when I hang up at the house Like if I see a white tail Gear in the late season. It's you know sometimes it it freezes and it stays frozenness just you know that's not really aging it but I'll leave it sitting out there for ten days or two weeks like that But I guess ideal would be some rave just shy of forty degrees right Nathan were saying but I I don't know I just kind of hang them in the Bar Kevin I know. United talked about that about a grownup in kind of northern part of Wisconsin. Were People Dare Hang? You know it's GonNa be might be zero degrees for months You might you might come by December and see a deer hanging in a tree yet. Yeah we used to have deer hanging all around. Our property was a kind of a good thing. We didn't have a lot of other predators around. I guess it doesn't meet the definition of dry aging rent or specific temperature Nathan. The you're able to do KINDA SENATE AT thirty seven. This led hang but That some we grew up with two just weeks and weeks As long as it was cold enough we we've got so many counties in dogs and birds that I don't know how long we leave one up but the you know the weather really keeps us from it but I can't say enough about the temperature controller on on a chess style deep freezer that that just works so well it worked so so well. Guy talked to a brewer. Who told me about that trick? He said he does it while I just barely above freezing thirty three degrees or thirty. Four and he he'll leave it in there up for a couple of months and he'll process a process a quarter when he feels like it can't sleep one night aquatic ordering processes But the lower close to the temperature is to freezing. I guess the slower the aging process is versus where thirty seven forty would accelerate it quite a bit You GET DOWN TO THIRTY FOUR. You know to get the same amount of technical aging take longer time well cool. It's been awesome chatting You got anything else. You wanted to share with us today. Oh no just kinda bombed them. Not being able to meet up with everybody at the rendezvous. Next year I reckon you know I think in in a in in a way it might be helpful. 'cause backcountry hunters and anglers has struggled to get everyone in the last couple of years as far as venues anyway. So we're taking expand out to be able to include people better virtually in the long run. It may help people become a part of the CO become a part of the Rondi right even if they can travel from Tennessee to Montana or wherever. Yeah Yeah. I'm sure there'd be. I'm sure they'll be some good things that come out of it especially things that they can you know that they may develop for this Virtual thing that they could implement future years like you said kind of expand and reach other folks. It's I mean that'd be a big expense for somebody to travel all the way across the country just to go to that for a couple of days. I mean it's a great event a lot of work and I've known people that have done it. Are you Cooman Klay where can people find stuff youtube channel? Yep if you just get on Google and type in my name you'll find the YouTube Channel Instagram is clay on facebook. Saying thing but Yeah probably. That's the majority of it anyway. If they're interested in maybe your Bo- classes is GonNa be on your website or so the the details and the dates and all that stuff is on our website at twisted stave dot com Like I said I think we're booked up for the rest of this year but we should have a schedule out for next year. Oh here before too long But if you know. I've also got books in DVD's and stuff like that on the website that'll Help folks get started and then of course there's allowed that funches videos on Youtube about Bo building can check out do you Do you suggest that that people build a couple couple bows before they come to class or can they come like a like a new like me when I have had. I've had the the range of had folks that have never even touched a traditional bow. Come and build Self Boat and then I've had folks that have built you know twenty or thirty self. Those come and bill and so it doesn't matter I mean I'm sitting right there with the The whole time Showing a step by step exactly what to do so you know. No prior experience is needed Well I appreciate you taking the time to clear. I will do good talking to you guys talking to you and clay thank you.