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4-17-20 Sandler Show Nicole Sandler Show - Ali Velshi, Kelly Carlin and Me

The Nicole Sandler Show

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4-17-20 Sandler Show Nicole Sandler Show - Ali Velshi, Kelly Carlin and Me

"The following program contains graphic material including offensive language. Your this question is advised. Nicole's Joe Questioning Authority daily. That could be the very reason why. Youtube is upset. Hey you do the music. Venue here beneath my voice is from a broadcast. Sound Library that I pay for and in Ham the receipt so I bet your copy right violation right here and now. Here's Nicole like that. Welcome to a Friday. Hi I'm so proud of us because we have made it to the end of another week. Most of US anyway and we are you know and this week was very similar to the week before which was very similar to the week before. Except when we see the numbers going up and we see the mad man at his you know to our commandeered infomercials. I don't know trying to rush things along while the the scientists are saying. Hold up buddy you know. Hold your horses as my mom used to say? We don't want to rush into anything because you open things up and we get a second wave. It's going to worse than the first so who knows what's going on. I think right now. What we need to do is take hold of. What's in our minds in our hearts and our souls and make sure where taken care of One of the casualties in this quarantine I really believe is not going to be evident for quite some time. And the casualty I'm talking about is our peace of mind We all to varying degrees struggle with some kind of mental health issues with me. It's depression has been for years with some people at the end. Zaidi some people you know. Everybody's got got our own ships and when we're stuck in a high stress situation the way we all. Are we all deal with it differently? One of the problems among many in our healthcare system is the lack of availability for good psychological help now thankfully the affordable care act made it so that mental health care was included in every insurance policy but since trump opened the door to these junk policies again you could be paying for insurance without those protections and not have no coverage or he could be like my kid. Who's you know? She turns twenty one in three weeks. Oh my God and this year bought her policy on the exchange which is way too expensive for what she gets high high deductible and copay and then premium cheap either and this is a kid a twenty year old with no medical problems but she wants to go see a therapist her copay per visit sixty five dollars. That's not affordable and that's just one of the major issues that we are going to need to deal with if and when we come out of this on the other side all right. I'm going to do things a little different today because we are so jam packed that I don't have time for a funny. I mean I guess I could but it means we'd be hitting Kelly Carlin a little later. Here's what we'll do perhaps at the end of this show We'll we'll we'll do an overtime progressive voices. Listeners won't get it but the podcast people will and people listening live. Well so we'll save the funny and the What's news for the end of the show? Today mobile fit it all in. We'll just run a little bit of over time If you listen to progress voices at five you'll get you'll get the meat of the program and the meat As I've been promoting for the week Kelly Carlin is GonNa join us at the tail end to do sort of a guided meditation. This is what she does. I mean she's got a issue was raised by her dad. George Carlin so she got the the comedy the sense of humor the irreverence. The you know the stuff that makes her like one of us and But she also studied for years and got her masters in Youngin psychology and takes very seriously and she does coaching sessions and she does seminars via zoom. We'll talk about all that but she's going to give her special assignment for today because we're all in this together so she's GonNa lead us on a guided meditation that hopefully you can use again and again. It's not just one time deal. Thankfully my show is not behind a paywall so you can share it. You can get it on Youtube. You can get it on the podcast however whatever works for you. Whatever floats your boat. Go for it but we're GONNA start with an interview that actually recorded a couple hours ago and we were recorded it mostly for logistic sake because alley they'll she and others at MSNBC and other news organizations are working pretty screwy Hours these days so he never knows when he's going to be on call there you know. Everything's all messed up so we figured we had a good chunk of time today at around noon so he hopped on skype from his home and I hopped on it from my home studio and we recorded this interview and the way it came about was just a little bit. I'm such a bitch sometimes on social media and I called out Allie for something and have long been a fan of his. I really do appreciate his work. And I think he's one of a very small handful of people at Msnbc who I truly truly respect and enjoy watching and listening to so. I felt badly when I sort of had a little tussle with him on twitter but He handled a beautifully and we became buds and we exchanged emails and I invited him on the show and well. Here's how it went joining me on the line. Now is Allie vel. She he somebody that well. We welcome into our homes all the time. I've become a big fan of Allie Bell. She's in fact. I started really following you. Allie when you joined Al Jazeera America because I was excited that for the first time in in in this era we had news channel. That was about news. It wasn't about one ideology over another the goal. There was to present news in an objective. Manner wasn't it. Yeah it was two goals. One is news in the absence of You know what we used to think of as news Being as objective as possible and we can discuss. What objectivity is because? I think we've learned over time that maybe it's not exactly what we think it is but that was one of the goals and the other goal that I thought was really important. I've been a journalist. Probably Twenty some odd years before I joined. Al Jazeera and we were really concentrated on telling stories from the perspective of the voiceless being voice for the voiceless and it occurred to me out while I had always thought about those things and I thought I was reporting about those things my life as journalist in New York City working for mainstream media. Don't expose mito whole lot of voiceless people as we go out of our way to find them. Even our most junior employees at a media organization are powerful right because they can call up anybody and tell them they're from the media So so I really. It caused me to get outside of a zone in which I had been operating. It wasn't a shift in ideology for me or the way I think about things but it really caused me to say. How do you tell stories from the perspective of the very people who don't have the voice whom you talk about whom analyze whom you characterize all the time and I have to say to call? That was a bigger challenge than I. A guy like me thought it was going to be I. I thought this was obvious right. I know who these voiceless people are. I know what their challenges are. What their lives are why didn't and and and it changed my perspective. It was. It was a remarkable experience for me for that reason and then has fortunately unfortunately. Is these things happen? Aljazeera didn't catch on here. I think it was more of a because I enjoyed watching them. I like the objectivity. I'm always looking for it because it helps me. Organize my thoughts so I can be more objective about what I cover and I'm deb. My show is not objective. News coverage it's opinion and commentary but always based in fact. That's gotta be the underlying basis otherwise it's worthless so I was. I was bummed when it went away and I wonder how much of that was Xenophobia was the fact that Al Jazeera was in Arabic network that was based in Qatar. Or an was that a big part of it. You know the other day somebody Tweeted me something that was meant to be criticism and said you know how that Aljazeera thing working for you and I I said Oh like did you watch it. They said no I never did. It was biased. So you've never watched anything on Al Jazeera America and he said no and I said would you mind looking for me and let me know what you thought was biased about that and that was the problem those people who watched even if they had political bias we had people watching us who were conservative or liberal but they felt that they could get the news And and those people who never did never didn't think so and part of that was that logo which was remarkable Arabic calligraphy. It was it was a competition. Somebody won many years ago to design the eldest logo which to the untrained eye including mine. Looks a whole lot lake Isis Lung? We don't we are not familiar with Arabic. Were certainly not familiar with Arabic calligraphy. And we're not familiar with Arabic anything right. In North American society there is car there is no chewing gum. There is no Soft drink Arabic to Americans for the last twenty. Five years has generally speaking associated with bad things. Terrorism al-Qaeda stuff like that and that was very difficult to overcome So I think that was a lot of. It's I don't think that people watched it an object to do it. I think the people who watch it actually came around to the idea. That was pretty good. We there are some people who would just never watch azan barriers would never carry. Yeah it's it's the it's the inbred bigotry. It's that institutional racism now you Allie vel. She have made no secret of your background. Your kenyan-born Muslim who grew up in Canada is now living and working here in the states and I'm guessing that you've gotten both you know. Kudos for that and some criticism because people are like that comes up every Every few weeks somebody will tweeted A as if it's criticism and like it's at my twitter bio I was actually just annoyed because for a long time. I was the most famous kenyan-born Muslim I knew until op showed up on the scene. I say tongue in cheek. I'm actually that guy. And he was never at any of the meetings so so yeah to me. I did grow up in a world. In which varied experience and diversity is of value and that can be from anywhere that could be economic where you are where you're from what you speak color. You are what gender you are what you identify with? So I've never ever ever thought of that as a negative right to me the list of stuff you are and let people make with it. A make what they will of it today The concept of being foreign immigrant Muslim Global Global in perspective Canada's some people associated with socialist. It's it's fascinating the People will quickly put you into I. I'm not actually that complex of being sorted out there to say. Hey this is this is if you wonder where my thinking comes from. If you wonder why I support single payer You know healthcare. It's not actually a Bernie Sanders thing me. It's system in which I grew up. It's a system that I studied and it seems to work that it happened to align of a few minutes with Bernie Sanders campaign is interesting. But that's not where it came from with me so I put it out there to say whatever you think. I think because I'm kenyan-born Muslim and grew up in Canada. You probably right or not. Because you're a human being and you're here and you I for me first and foremost as of you're in a power consumer of news media you're one of the best now I know we met Virtually through twitter sometime ago when one morning I was in a pissy mood and I probably hadn't had enough coffee USA. I'm a big Bernie Sanders supporter for some of the reasons. You already mentioned that single payer and just his consistency over the years and one morning and it was maybe only your second week and the new slot and the Nouvelle she show which is the now on Saturdays and Sundays from eight to ten eastern morning. I'm one of those old people who doesn't sleep and wake up early in the morning so I see it all the time. Anyway I called you out in a in a pissy moment and you were so wonderful and the way you responded to me and you really engaged with me. Some of your colleagues Have blocked me over the years and rightly so probably I block some of them. But I was so thrilled to have this conversation with you and it just it. It verified my belief in that. You're you know you're good guy or decent human being and you're smart and that's one of the reasons I enjoy watching you because you do give a very well rounded view of the whatever store you're talking about you give background and you do it without much personal Commentary and invoked. Although I don't not that there's anything wrong with that. I do it on a daily basis but you you give us the facts and especially at a time like this. That is so important. And that's one of the things I wanted to talk to you about. Today is how life reporting on. The News has changed when we're living the biggest news story. Any of us has ever even imagined you know the idea of pandemic was always out there and and obviously the administration had been briefed on it to not that they took it seriously but we as a people as a planet have never lived anything. Lift through anything like this. How has it changed your world other than obviously in the mechanics we see in the coverage? And you're working from a bigger picture. How has it changed you well on fuel levels rebulk for your? I don't re- Recall our fight. I recall the resolution. I recall the fact that we decided to engage and an have conversation to me. That's the good part right. I find criticism We should often have it And by the way I think I was one of Bernie Sanders last interviews before stepped out of the ten. I thank you for that too by the way because I did. That did not go unnoticed and it was a great interview too. So thank you for a great interview. And I've always enjoyed a great relationship with the senator editorially and I. I like that so a lot of things have changed. I've covered a lot of the very big stories of our time. I covered the Covered nine eleven. I covered The recession I covered Various hurricanes earthquakes and wars this is so different nevermind the mechanics which fascinating right. I'm right on guesting for my home right now actually One of my colleagues Of Gopher is here adjusting some lighting and fixing some things but but the mechanics aside of anchoring the show there's that then there's the actual news gathering right in the idea that we we have to tell real people stories and that means going into places where real people are and and that this is a time when that's weird right people don't necessarily want you go into their homes We're not out there all the time. So this a skype zoom things like that have become much more valuable but remember that we as a network operate on the basis that we have contact our company's communications expert Regular folks don't have that stuff Social media twitter. The stories about people's lives have become crucial and important frontline workers. Right I get outside in Manhattan at seven. Pm Everyday and clap for those people out there. The the frontline workers including the grocery delivery people the doormen the nurses. But I don't talk to them. I don't interview them so we've had to find ways to do that and we do do that. We are talking to home. Health Care Aides and grocery store workers and people like that to tell us how what impact this has on them and I think that's a part of our The new way we think about things that is going to be good right wingman. Maybe we can tell a lot more story from the bottom up than we can. From the perspective of presidents and Princes and prime ministers down so that's one very good part about this but the other thing about it. That's fascinating is in the big stories that I've covered Even in nine eleven we thought it was existential. We thought it was going to be a massive threat to our way of life and ultimately it wasn't it wasn't going to destroy us and and in the recession we thought about all the ways in which it was going to damage our lives and our prosperity. But we weren't scared of the people around us. This is so new. You don't know where this threat lies and so your debt. Your brain can't get your head around who fixes this. How does it get fixed? This is signs this leadership this government and we don't know how to process that so we're doing it in real time and and you'll notice every single week on TV. Our behavior changes a little bit because the story has shifted isn't about fear. Is it about numbers? Is it about leadership about the economy. Is it about failures in government? Is it about Medical Science So these I. It's such a fast evolving story about things around which we don't have pre-established expertise right right and what I'm noticing also is. We're all being affected by this in ways that we probably won't even know for months and maybe in some cases years to come and I'm talking about mental health and I'm somebody I've been open about this on my show. I have always struggled with depression my entire adult life since adolescence and I had a really really rough time after Donald Trump's election where I had a whatnot. Why can look back now and describe it as as a breakdown I did my job I did show every day. Don't ask me how I got through it. I'm afraid if I were to go back and listen to some of those shows. I'd be mortified because I I got to the point where I had to write out every word I was. I was a nervous wreck. I'd I'd I questioned everything and I just. This is something I've been doing for forty years. I've been in radio and I just I would shake before I opened the Mike. It's so thoroughly destroyed me and I somehow got through. It came out on the other side. Maybe seeing all right. We're coming closer to an election time and maybe we can get rid of this man But it has really affected me and now you know just when we thought it couldn't get any worse really the nation as a planet. We're not going to go any lower. We get hit by this pandemic and so many of us are just. I'm a lung cancer. Survivor I and I'm sixty years old. I can't go out there. So it's it's it's changed every aspect of our lives and it's changed the way I do my show because no longer do I want to dig down deep on all the the numbers and the the news and the it's too much I want. We know right so I'm hitting on a more human level. I think I mentioned this to you in an email I start. I happened upon a facebook group called room view from my room that now in a short month has over a million members who people at every corner of the planet They take pictures of the view from their house. Say where they are. They're everywhere from Zimbabwe to South Africa to Australia New Zealand and and Bolivia and Brazil and all over the states. And I'm looking and I start reaching out to some of these people and connecting with them and I've invited them on the show so I'm doing this new segment called quarantine calling where I connected yesterday with a wonderful woman from Finland Somebody else in Denmark somebody in Italy and it just it's a small world in. We're all on this in a you. A unique moment in history when we're all experiencing basically basically the same thing and I'm having a hard time verbalizing what that is but just trying to connect with people those Kinda stories are what somehow make me feel a little better and it gives me away to to pass things along to listeners. Are you more interested in stuff like that or because we also need you to help explain about the p? Perleberg running out of money and why some of us haven't gotten her twelve hundred dollars yet and that is wh- still do and what we do. I had Segments on my shows that I have not had on my show in twenty years or thirty years of doing this I had a an expert on grief about the collective group we all feel not just the grief of those of us who have lost somebody to cove it but the the loss the feeling that we feel about the loss of normalcy in our lives actually feels like great And then there are those people who have lost somebody during this period not to krona virus. But they can't have a funeral or they can't be with them. They can't have a memorial service. I talked to somebody the other day. About what young. Lgbtq people go through right because let's say you had to leave school or or leave your work in quarantine in place with your family. Which wasn't safe space for you to start with. I talking about a people who are abused in their ships. Where do you go when you gotta be with someone and you can't run to the shelter and you don't have Places that are open to you so you know we would put thing we would give them tips as to what to do What do you do if you suffer from anxiety or all sufferers of anxiety? Now in appreciate weddings diety was when people you know when you said. Well it's not really rational. What your fear that. It's like guess what we're all. We're all irrationally beard. All if you're all the time update jockey openly about your depression because for people who are suffering from these things. This becomes that much more complicated. You don't have the same access to either therapist or medication or doctors that you typically have and when everybody else is anxious. How do you share those concerns with people and I feel like that is is immediate and In the center of this conversation and necessary we read a. We started running an ad on. Msnbc probably three weeks ago We have the series that's called. This is who we are and we changed it to. We're in this together. Oh it was just imagery of around the world and in America. The things people do to help other people in these times and Jacoby. I've invited people have a email address. My story BELGE DOT com. You just tell me how you coping good bad. Send me video. Send me pictures and we tell that story every show. I do a bit ury every show. You'll remember that these are real people's lives that lived and a might my producer. Emma writes it and she sent it to me and I read it and I. I always a smile because the stories are so good and then I always cry when I deliver them on TV. I I've read it already. I know what it's going to say and yet I can't keep it together so These are ways in which we have changed but I do agree with you. We have learned to find strength in each other. And that doesn't mean that you shouldn't argue on twitter or we couldn't have critical argument I think we should. Somebody said to me last night it up a Webinar. And they said do you think. We can put aside our political bickering as we lead into the election. to to deal with us and I said now I people died for our right to politically bicker You may call it bickering and sometimes it feels like bickering and sometimes it feels small and petty but it is actually central to who we are so for all. We hate about corona virus and being stuck in our homes. Think about those people in the world who don't also have an election coming up in which they can vote who don't have freedoms who live in refugee camp who have no money at all who live in abject poverty and can't do the things that we can do to social distance and keep clean all the time we have democracy and we have a vote and it's this is not the time to shy away from our adulthood and our and our democratic rights and our constitutional obligations for free speech so bicker and fix corona virus at the same time we can actually walk and Chew Gum at the same time. Most definitely the only but then there's the other aspect that we've steered clear of so far but it's the two hundred and thirty nine pound and then some elephant in the room by way of Donald Trump. Who If if you had if you knew that we were going to be struck with a global pandemic of these proportions this scary? Who was the last person you'd want in the White House? Donald trump and yet he goes up there. He commandeered to two and a half hours of prime television time every night I know. Msnbc's gotten a little better at pulling away from him and trying to fat. Check them in real time but to have him spout. Some of the crap he's spouting off is just so irresponsible and frightening and it's my husband. I watched it because I say I have to. It's my job. I need to know what he's saying and my husband can't be in the room he just he's GonNa. It's making him nuts. This is another aspect. I watched the way he'd be rates journalists. Just doing their job. And if you don't if you're not a complimentary of him if you don't your question with praise He'll call you. He'll call you the worst names that no adults should ever call anybody let alone the president of the states. I wonder on a daily basis. Why don't these people get up and walk out? And then I answer my question and I say because then all that would be left covering him is Fox and Oei N N and that's as much of a disservice covering stuff the two things I always think. Journalists have to do One is to bear. Witness right at something is happening and you think about the eighties on mounts in Johor. You'd think about Darfur war. You'd think about the Roe Hinga. If there weren't somebody to tell you it was happening. We actually would know because we'd all be on our feeds which we have cured ourselves and the story wouldn't get there so part of the reason we have to be in. That room is to bear witness Even if it's incredibly hard to watch We this is the president of the United States that was elected by American people and the consequence of having that president is is having that president and we have to say that but the other really important thing that you're getting at is the other responsibility to journalists have is to speak to power to hold power to account and there are some journalists in that room who on a daily basis by the way not like anchoring a show. Where you've you've booked your guests. You know they are done research. You had a booker look into them. You've got a segment producer. You've read their articles yet. No idea on a daily basis when Donald Trump is going to jail at his mind works very differently than than mine does so I give a little extra credence to those reporters in that room. Because he says stuff and then you have to decide my holding them to account for the thing that. I thought I was only account forty. He just say something really weird that I need to challenge or do I need to get information on what they know. So it's hard and there are some reporters my friend. Michelle Michel Sin from one of them who you know he just. He picks on her all the time. He belittles her all the time. He's got some beans bonded about her and she holds her patients and continues to add asked her questions and the other day when he gets past her because he didn't want to give it another question Couple reporters later a diamond from CNN. Took his opportunity gave her the Mike back yet. So there are. There are some moments of glory in in these things. But I I will. Somebody said something to me before Corona Virus When I was anchoring on Friday nights anger Lawrence O'Donnell show last word and she came on and she said this is this is. This is for grownups. This is not a time when you can say this person's going to come in and save me. That's now not going to happen. So you going to do the things you have to do. The most powerful of which remains your vote others of which remain keeping your family safe keeping yourself safe social distancing where necessary finding those around you who need resources who can help either figure out how to get their twelve hundred dollars to figure out how to file for unemployment or if they don't file unemployment what can you do to help those around you I've seen acts of kindness that I didn't know possible in the last couple of months. Just people saying do you need money. We need money. What you just said about a talking to people. Random people around the world people say. Call me if you need someone to talk to. Let's we're going to fix ourselves we're going to. We're going to take the mantle of leadership and I will say one thing. When Joe Biden launches campaign he talked about recapturing the soul of America and he talked about Charlottesville Alvar. We've come you know. He's changed his whole theme now and and He's talking about who is going to pick for his cabinet. Yeah if you think. Back to two thousand eight during the election during the financial crisis John McCain had been doing pretty well and then he picked Sarah Palin and his running as his running mate and Barack Obama lined up with all of Clinton's senior economic is nine and basically this. This is going to the team. That's going to help me out. And Joe Biden switch strategy to say. Look maybe you've got doubts about who I am or what my actual capabilities are. But I'm going to start to line up a team for you. So you know who is going to lead you out of that interesting theory. Given that America right now is so hungry for leadership so that I think. We're all pivoting enroll making adjustments to say you watch that. White House press briefing every day. Your solution and your leadership's not gonna come from there so find it where you can find it in yourself you can right well. Hopefully those of us waiting on the edges saying okay. Who Joe Biden? Assembles is of the utmost importance. If he goes back to the old well and brings in Larry Summers and Tim Geithner and the Same Old Clinton Obama crew. That's not going to do the trick. He needs to for a look. I've already said I've got. I've got my my industrial strength. Knows clubs from my lung cancer battle that I use for pulmonary testing. I use STA in two thousand sixteen to vote for Hillary Clinton and I'm planning to use it again to vote for Joe Biden but I wanNA know who that I want to know that he's talking with the Sanders Camp and the Warren Camp and that they're going to take our wants and considerations into effect I would love to see Joe Biden right now announce his running mate because he's no spring chicken. That person could likely be president. So that's an important consideration and I wanna know who else he's going to surround himself with and I just hope that he I wish he would use this time to bring in people and say these are the people I'm looking at. Do you think I mean all the rules are thrown out? Everything is going to have to change now. Is that a possibility. Yeah I I wonder. The running mate question is is a big one and I don't know whether he'll move quickly on that but I I think the way around that. If you weren't going to move quickly around this is to sort of say this is what the cabinet looks like. That's going to be weird. Because if all of a sudden there isn't a Comma Harris so there isn't it Elizabeth. Warren uh there. Isn't somebody like that. Does that mean does that. Just with the running mate conversation into overdrive to say well he's got such a not so I I don't know how he's thinking about that. I sort of agreed with you. Conceptually that it might be time for Joe Biden. Who now is is the the the presumptive nominee to just act like the redemptive dominating like we're in October not a not in in enable So and I think he's getting that message. I also think it sounds like from the conversations people have been having including with Bernie Sanders and with with with Elizabeth Warren and with Alexandria Cossio Cortes that the the the the Joe Biden campaign is taking that part of the message seriously look there are things about the Bernie Sanders campaign which were considered quite radical. If you years ago of that are now mainstream fifteen dollars an hour remind people is thirty thousand dollars a year so everybody who thinks that the socialist are taking over in the poor taking your money. It's thirty thousand dollars a year. Minimum wage is seven and a quarter. That's fifteen thousand dollars a year. There are I saw poll the other day that said thirty percent of people who identify as conservatives think that universal healthcare might be a good thing and argued for a long time actually shouldn't be a liberal or Conservative ideas. Actually a better idea that. Get you a better return on your investment. So when you take all of that together. I think that there are things that we thought that. Now people are saying you know what if we had to Brazil healthcare? We'd probably be in a better position today because there would be a whole bunch of people with underlying conditions Who who would seek treatment and who have chronic virus might not go to work because they could afford to be at home and make somebody else sick so I think the world has changed a lot in the last couple of months. I hope so. And what are the things my calling around the world I hope brings to light? I always ask the people in these other countries about their healthcare systems. And you know they're always they know what it is over here but when I mentioned the insurance card and it's tied to your employment and then there's Co pays and deductibles and the people who don't have insurance bay there. It is inconceivable to the rest of the civilized world if we have one silver lining from this whole mess. Hopefully keep the deaths down that. Keep the Kerr flat people you know. The the horror is minimized as much as be and we come out on the other end with people knowing that we need universal health care. We need a single payer healthcare system and look you think how many of our major policies have come out of bad things. That's not a bad thing to wish for right. The idea of the good things come out of bad things. The trial shirt waist factory meant that workers. Don't work in rooms that are locked so that if there's cleared they can't get out. People had to die for us to say. Wow that seems to be a no brainer. There are lots of places in the world who don't have basic rules like that. So I think that you know. I A report on hurricanes talk about climate change and people would say. This isn't the time and I reported on so many shootings oxide and people said this is the time to talk about gun control. Well guess what. It's actually always the time to talk about ways in which we can handle this thing. That's happening now differently and better in the future so I think we can hold both those thoughts together. We're in a crisis and rule. Number one is fix that? But let's talk about how we fix this looming board absolutely alley Velka. Keep talking to you for an hour. Overstayed my welcome already. Thank you so much. What a what a pleasure this has been. I do enjoy waking up and watching you weekend mornings. I even better when someone's out and see it's you in the Fillon Chair because I trust you and I like you and now I think your friends so Allie Vel. She find him. His website is Ashville is dot com. He's on twitter at Allie Belge. And of course you find him on. Msnbc pretty much all the time. But certainly Saturday and Sunday mornings from eight to ten eastern. What a pleasure. This has been thank you so much. It was great meeting you. There you go no no no. It would help if I turned off the The echo machine and Alabel she. How awesome was that truly? I saw he. He turned out to be every not every bit as nice as I thought he would be. And also made me late for our next appointment. So let's not wait any longer because she's there she's on the line You Know Kelly Carlin certainly you. Well you know. I'm looking for the R. H. I've got so many things if you could see my desktop there she is okay. Hey Kelly Carlin role. This is so exciting. So you're out there in Los Angeles. I'm here in southern California. We've actually done this before where I've participated with you in some of your workshops but we'll get to that everybody knows the name Carlin. Of course they know your dad. Kelly Carlin is the daughter of wh who I think is if we had a comic laureate of the Nation. I think George Carlin should be it. He is my hero. I mean I grew up listening to class clown in reciting the seven dirty words in. I mean yeah that wisdom and the wisdom that your father imparted and so when I got to know you Kelly. I just I could see his influence in you so much. I was lucky enough to read your book when you came out with it a few years ago. A Carlin home companion that everybody should read and And then the one woman show that you did that. Sorta grew out of the book or the book out of the show. I'm not sure your life is fascinating because you were born into show business and entertainment and humor and and you do that and you've done that and you continue to do that but you also went off on your own and studied. Psychology explained to everybody. You have a masters in Jungian psychology. Yeah I got my in counseling psychology with an emphasis on unions psychology from a place called PACIFICA Graduate Institute in Montecito. Santa Barbara California and so I've I got I got that sixteen years ago. In two thousand and four. I've always been fascinated with People's journeys well first of all my own journey. That's why I wrote a memoir and I've always been fascinated by like. How do we go from what shaped us to who we are today to who we want to be next or where do or what's emerging in US next? I've always been fascinated by that inner life and and both my parents were also fascinated with that. My Dad obviously was a thinker and observer of the human condition so he really taught me how to take that witnessing stance with the culture and people and in our own our own kind of inner life that he would share a with some of his material. He wasn't very much person who shared his personal life but he shared this kind of universal. Inner life that we all had together and that of course the big cultural questions and then my mother was very much a seeker and and also a wisdom teacher in her own right she Got Sober in a when I was about twelve years old. She was in her mid thirties at the time and she became a leader in that organization and an a person who sponsored women and helped women and had a women's group and she was always out on some. You Know Mesa somewhere studying with some teacher or something like that. So she was a real seeker so I really. I really got this training from my family of origin that and the humor and and the performing all of that and so yeah and I went and got my masters because I wanted to be a person who used my communication skills you know I have the urge to be out in front of people and sharing stuff. I although I am enjoying this being in my house thing but we'll talk about that in a minute ago it's Kinda what I've been focusing on right But I I wanted to do more than just entertain people I wanted. I wanted someone to walk away with something that they could carry with them. That might like either. Plant the seed or break open the seed of transformation for them. I'm I'm just. I'm very committed to that. Transformational process fascinated by it. So that's why dug into all that stuff academically and scholastically plus. I've been a practicing Buddhist and studying Buddhism for over twenty years also So yeah you know this kind of spiritual self growth. Psychological stuff is My personal bliss. That's Awesome I. Just gotTa say in this time when all you whether you're watching a show like mine or something on on MSNBC or CNN. We're looking into people's homes and I got the last time I was in your home. Kelly you have a different picture behind you. You Have Billy Jack Behind you. Oh my God one tin soldier that that was that was the movie of I twelve year old year. And we're like we're right around the same age. I think he was also kind of like my first crush a little bit. Like I had some sort of like weird sexual daddy feelings for him. But he was the man who fought injustice and it was so part of the times and my friend. Chris Bano B. O. N. O. He Paints these amazing different kinds of poetry and things. He'll paint whatever you want and I saw a billy Jack Painting that he had done. I'm like I need a jacket. Really Jackson Tom Laughlin over my shoulder here and he lives in this space. This is the space I work and coach and teach from and he's always reminding me of that kind of inner ally the one who's willing to stand up for wrong in the world and and stand up for the underdog. I mean that's really what he did right. So yeah he's he's an important figure all and yes and Oh my goodness so many memories my best friend. Eva. Who's still my best friend to this day. She lives in Boston. We were down here in Hollywood Florida. We were in in seventh grade. And and Billy Jack was playing at the little thin movie theater off of Sheridan Street and we wrote our bicycles and we went and this was our movie and it still is not too long ago. I sent her an. Mp Three of Coven. Who was the band who sang one tim? So one soldier incentive so. It's our thing so when I saw that I'm just like Oh my God. This is so perfect. I absolutely love it. That's so great it. Is we connect on so many levels so when when we're sitting here going through this whatever it is this thing that we're united across the planet in this isolation? We're all going through this stuff together. I don't know if I told you I've been calling around the world in meeting people in other countries and checking in with them on how they're doing. I met a wonderful woman from Finland yesterday and one from Denmark and one from New South Wales Australia. And it's just it's bringing the world together but I also I also know that we are all going through some mental things. Many people who don't do a lot of work don't understand what's going on people like me who fought depression for years. I feel that it's like oh that's creeping in. This is not good and I watch how it's affecting my daughter who will celebrate her twenty first birthday locked in this house with us and so I there have to be ways for us to get in our minds or get out of our minds and deal with it and Kelly. Honestly you're the first person I thought of because I know you lead these workshops from your home you do it on zoom. I did a series with you a couple of years ago. That was just wonderful and so I contacted you and said Hey. Would you consider leading us in in some kind of a guided meditation to that speaks to these weird times? We're living in. Yeah and before we get to that. I just want to talk about a couple of things. One of which is whether you are used to being in relationship with your inner life or not You are today. It's right here front and center so whatever. Our stuff is That normally maybe we're too busy to deal with or we cover over. We distract ourselves with them. We all do that on normal levels all the time you know but for those of us who aren't used to hearing all of these lovely voices that live inside of our here they. Are you know front and center and so and it can be an those of us who are used to even listening to these things. There's even more voices and they're even you know because we have nothing related distract ourselves unless we distract ourselves knowingly which is also really important during these times to do some healthy distractions. I've been doing jigsaw. Puzzles My husband and I are jigsaw. Puzzle wound up to say I love it so that it's Okay. It's just okay. That whatever's coming up is here and that's one of the things I think hardest for us. Humans to deal with is is we want to we. We want to push away the stuff. That's Kinda scary or negative or different or new And we spend so much effort and energy Pushing things away or trying to make things that that that are here. Change that we can't change like we're in this like we can't change that there's a virus all over. We can't change that. Most of us are asked to stay in our homes right now and and not work or we can't change that the economy's doing this thing that it's doing you know. So we're feeling very powerless right now. And so we fight against that powerlessness. And the thing I've learned. Is that the fighting against it usually causes more suffering than just learning to be with. What is Right okay so. And that's kind of the basics of what Buddhism is like you know suffering comes from the fact that we are pushing against two big realities. Which is that everything changes? Hello it right and that and that everything is and that and that what is is like we can't we can't change the change so everything's changing and we can't do anything about it. Were powerless over most of it. And so the really the first thing to do is to just let ourselves gifts ourselves permission to just be with whatever we're going through whether it's severe anxiety which I have. I've had anxiety disorder in my past. I had panic attacks for a good twelve years of my life in my twenties and into my thirties. I understand what that feels like I. I had a panic attack about two weeks ago. It came back up so whether we're dealing with anxiety which we normally deal with and it's at an elevated level or were noticing anxiety for the first time like why can't I sleep. Why aren't I sleeping? Well why am I eating everything in I refer? Yes we do. Why can't I stop Jigsaw? Puzzle League or you know or why. Can't I turn off the news even one way to deal with anxiety? Is We want information. We think it more information is GonNa make things Us feel safer and it is true. That having a certain amount of information can calm us but when we reach the saturation point with information and the bottom line is every day. You don't need as much information as you think you need in order to get through this through so turning off the news or turning away from media can feel scary at first. Because it's kind of like a lifeline or a security blanket for us to have a voice in the house or to have alley vel sheet or yourself or someone always there right right but our our nervous system gets over stimulated and it can't ramp down and route and restore itself so were in this sympathetic fight or flight all the time with it that or so learning to be with just who we where we are right now what we're feeling and letting it be okay is the first step and it can feel like an impossibility like what do you mean. I can't just be with this anxiety or this depression or this uncertainty and yet I'm here to say that you actually can. You can do this so I can absolutely lead us in a little like five to seven minute. Exercise is GonNa stick with what is right now. Okay so I'm going to invite everyone out there who's listening or watching too. If you feel safe enough to close your eyes and the first thing I want you to do with your eyes closed and I'm gonNA close my eyes to so I just want you just recognize what it feels like to. Just be in the space that you're in right now. Whatever room you're in and when we we can do that is we can just open our ears and focus our awareness on what we're hearing right now. Of course you're hearing my voice in this space but when of not talking what are you noticing? Maybe notice airplane noise or car noise. Although these days there's less of that maybe the air conditioning on. Maybe you noticed some other people in your house making noise whatever it is just notice the noises and let your whole awareness be that and then we're GonNa move now to notice our bodies just letting our bodies be in this space in the first way we can do. That is to notice the weight of our body on this chair or SOFA or wherever you happen to be right. Now if you're standing noticing your weight on your feet and notice all the places that your body is touching this chair or the ground and that's all you have to notice right now and then now what I want you to notice is just want you to notice your body. What does it feel like? Does it feel you noticing some tension? Maybe some butterflies. Are you noticing that you can't really feel your body? Maybe you feel released spaced out disembodied. Maybe you're feeling super heavy. Maybe you're feeling anxiety in your chest. Just notice it like you were a scientist and you're GONNA have to describe it to someone else. Sedona get attached to maybe the emotion behind it. What's the sensation? And just say to yourself. Some adjectives that might describe floaty. Maybe fluttering chest and just by noticing this. You might even notice now that something has changed but something else is showing up. Maybe it isn't emotion. Maybe it's tiredness. Maybe it's a craving suddenly double chocolate Milano. Sound really good whatever it is. I just want you to give yourself permission to just be with. What's here now knowing that you're perfectly safe. There are no tigers in the room. So you're okay here. Just feel whatever's going on and just notice it. You don't have to do anything about it. You don't have to change it you don't have to solve it and whatever you're feeling is allowed you have permission to be feeling whatever it is. You're feeling just in the here and now there's no right way to do this. There's no wrong way to do this. You could even be feeling total confusion about these instructions in. You could just acknowledge. I'm feeling confused. That's what's here right now and notice that when you sit with what is. What's true for you in this moment? Just watch and see what happens next. Maybe the same feeling. Maybe it changes into something else. Maybe confusion now is relaxed or tired is awake just like before just name the sensation or the experience. You're having and notice the permission in the space that you're allowed to give yourself to just be here. Just notice it. Are you comfortable being here? Giving yourself permission to do this or is it challenging. Nothing's wrong nothing's right. There's no right way wrong way. It's just your experience and then the last thing I want us to do is just take a moment and focus on our breath and what does that mean that just means now taking your awareness noticing your natural breathing and you can do this by watching or feeling your tummy or your chest or the air moving through your mouth your nose. You can put your hand on your chest Stephen in your body ever so slightly moving your breath is your one companion as long as you are conscious and alive. It is always with you. It's always here for you. It's your ally it's your companion and it's the very thing that knows you always with you and it is the one way in which you have proof that the universe is supporting you right now because you're in a room at has air in it for you to breathe and so with that gently we're GONNA come out of this meditation slowly. Open your eyes. If they've been closed notice where you are now. There's no right there's no wrong. You may be exactly where you were six minutes ago when we started this or you may be somewhere else. The point is is that there's actually no where to go and nothing to do. There's just where you are right now and it's okay to be quiet like that and have your thoughts but take take deep breaths and and you know the whole issue about quieting one's mind if you concentrate on the breath. That's that's where your mind is spending energy right. The thing too is everyone. Says I can't meditate because I can't shut my mind right. Guess what your minds job is not to shut up your brain and your mind are hardwired in order to always be in some sort of mode to protect you in. It's always looking for three things. It's looking for the horizon to figure out. Am I safe? Are There Tigers in the room is there? Food is their resources to keep this body alive. And if you're of mating age where's the thing that I need to make in order to keep the species alive like that's the hard wiring of your brain? So your brain is activated to be doing that all the time. That's kind of the more primitive part of our brain and it's always moving so the first time we sit with silence or S- or stop or be quiet and into stillness. This thing comes roaring forward because it's the first time we're actually noticing it like oh look at this companion. That's here all the time. What the way I like to do is just meted as if you were meeting a friendly neighbor and go hi. Mind High Brain. Thank you for being here. Thank you for doing your job and keeping me safe right now but I wanna let you know. There are no tigers in the Rome There is food in the fridge and Right now I don't need to find someone to mate with God. Go in the other room and do that with your partner. That's certainly an option right. But for sitting on a meditate. These are the three things so we get really friendly with it. And Say I'm GonNa let you be here and know that you're probably going to distract me every ten to fifteen to twenty seconds but my whole job is just to move back around to the breath and say all right. We're just going to go back to the breath for a little while. I know you're be back to distract me. It's no big deal. It's perfectly normal and I'm just going to sit here and there's so many great apps right now you know there's insight timer and there's calm all these great apps that I really really recommend to people to connect you. There's guided meditations there's timers there's all sorts of things but what. I'm excited about this time. Is that people are getting to see that. Maybe they do need to be friendlier with their inner life in their mind right now and so if you've never done meditation yea. Welcome to the world of mindfulness and meditation. It's a beautiful time to to learn about it because there's so many resources and if you're someone like me who's been doing this. Awhile has a bit of a practice has been on this journey for a while. You may you get to really deepen your sense of retreat and your sense of practice and really make this time your own and start to strengthen that muscle even more so that as we move through these uncertain times which I'm guessing is going to be seriously another year are sure. Yeah and there's nothing we're not going back to the way life was in January so the welcome to the new normal and I hate that. I hate that phrase. But it's true. So who do you want to be in this new normal? How do you WANNA learn to be with yourself? And how do you WanNa resource yourself more during this new normal time? So people can do this on themselves. You mentioned calm inside timer. I've got both of them on my phone. I'm but you also lead some groups in fact you you're doing a couple of things you have a weekly unplugged with Kelly Carlin. I'm not I'm not doing that. Live in okay. Certainly sign up for it and If you Find me on my my my mailing list. Which is Kelly Carlin Dot Com? You can sign up for my mailing list. Okay and I'm always putting an offer out right now there's an archive of those things half there Sorry Ninety Minute Lessons around. Mindfulness and all sorts of self. Help stuff. I'm not doing that live anymore but what I am doing right now is. I'm working with women. have a A program called women on the verge and it's about going deep to take the lead and I really believe that women are well. Women are the future a lot of ways because Women have a lot of resources within them and have a lot of ways of looking at the world that I think is what the world really needs right now. Some very interested in helping women who WANNA share their gifts with the world to step into their power and their authority in their own voice and to have a deep relationship with their inner life. Move the baggage. The old stories the old narratives out so that they can step into their strength and their power and their vision and move out into the world. So I've been doing this work now for about a year and a half. I also work. Part of this work is about helping women who are in a major transition in their life whether it's divorce or their widowed or they're moving into a new career or they're empty nesting or they're just in that space where they know. It's time for them to step up an into fully a fully realized version of themselves and so You can go to women on the verge. Coaching DOT COM okay. And that's a landing page at talks a little bit about the program and there's a little Survey there that you can answer some questions to really see if it's the right fit for you and if it is I love to have conversations and I give a free. Coaching called a women that it feels like. It's the right fit for So yeah and then you can always find me on twitter. I'm always doing stuff on twitter. I'm sometimes doing live stuff there. I do live step on instagram. I'm no longer on facebook. I walked away in November. Very happy could not do it anymore. Yes I know. Instagram's owned by Facebook But so I used to live stuff over there but I usually do live stuff on instagram. Or twitter But Yeah I'm just. I'm very dedicated to helping people look through these lenses And Right now. My main focus is with women and really hoping that women can find their Their sovereignty in the world like the I know that's a weird word to use but I think when women hear it they. They hear me which is their rightful place. You know in their lives and therefore leading the work that they're here to do in the world moved through them so that they can have the impact that they want to have in the world because we all WanNa have some sort of positive impact. Oh yeah and this is telling us. It's the year of the woman. Let's make it. Let's make itself. I think it's the millennium of the woman that were basic trust. That works men and I'm not a man. God Not a man bashing nothing like that people I I love men. Men are important in my life But there's something about being with a group of women and growing with a group of women and going through a transformational process with a group of women. That's very different than being in a coed situation. And that's why I work exclusively with women. Gotcha all right while the website again. Is Kelly Carlin Dot Com? You'll find all this. They're also women on the verge. Coaching DOT COM. I'll put it all on my blog at Nicole Sandler dot com along with this show. Kelly thank you so much. What a treat this was. What a great way to end the week because this is something that people can go back to and give you just a take. This was a taste of a meditation. And she she. That'll drop and expand on it and it does help someone in the Chat Room. Just said well. I was feeling really stressed that helped. And that's what it's about it's about helping you've helped me so much Kelly. I- door you. I thank you so much for doing this with us today. I'm really really honored to have the invitation and thank you for having me. Let's my pleasure. You take care out there. Stay safe and we'll we'll and Billy Jack Says Hi Jack. We'll have to virtual maybe watching of the movie one of these days another one soldier away. Okay but don't want on by later all right everyone with that. We have run way too long so I am going to. I'm going to have to edit this for a progressive voices but everyone else will get the full full show on the On the podcast and the youtube that all will stay. But let me run so I can edit it to get something on the air at five o'clock at progressive voices. Thank you for being here today. I thought this was a special show. I thought it was a pretty special week. We'll get through this as I said earlier. It may take a different shape or form. But let's do it together. All right have a wonderful wonderful weekend. Thank you so much for listening and I know I keep threatening to do a Monday. Show Monday or Tuesday. Stop by Monday. We'll see I don't know I can't promise anything. Thanks everyone by.

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The Joy of Cats: Stories about our feline friends

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The Joy of Cats: Stories about our feline friends

"Science story. Right. Well, it was that golden moment because science was on my side. Hey, everybody. Welcome to the story. Collider. We bring you true personal stories about science. I'm your host Aaron Barker and this week. We're presenting stories about cats, scientifically, speaking cats are the worst. That's not my billion. That's just science. And if you disagree. Well, I have two stories for you right now that might change your mind, our first stories from Tracy Rowland, one of the producers and hosts of story, CLYDE or New York who's recorded in September twenty eighteen caveat in New York City. The theme that night was game changer. It's late at night. And I'm standing alone in my living room. And that's a strange situation for me to be in. Because my my living room is a is a social place people like to hang out there. It's fifty minutes for midtown Morente cheap. I don't charge you to stay people come over. And also, it's a it's it's located right by this kind of a row of bars and restaurants, two blocks away and two blocks. Turns out is exactly as much space and time as a couple whose fighting and are leaving a bar. They need to blocks to figure out that. No, you're the asshole. And so they like to really work on that right underneath my my window after closing time. And so the restaurant below me has helpfully provided a bench outside so they can really settle in and, you know, work on their differences underneath my bedroom window after closing time. And so but this night, there's there's nobody inside staying at my place, and there's nobody outside breaking up. It's a quiet night. But I'm not actually alone because I am fostering litter of a door kittens and they are right upstairs. And I don't know if you know this about adorable kittens, but they are disgusting. This particular litter has brought with them a parasite, and they always have parasites if somebody says you want to foster a litter of kittens just know that your life is going to be about poop forever. But and it depends on the parasite you might get off lucky. You know, you might just get a little bit of cuck city a-, that's fine. Or you might be me. And this kittens this group of kittens has arrived on your doorstep in a basket, looking cute loaded to the gills with GRE a-, and here's what makes GRE a- awesome. It's when you walk in your front door on the first floor. They're on the third floor behind a closed door your eyelashes melt off of your face because the smell emanating from them is so inhospitable. It is an inhospitable smell. And that's why I'm alone in my house because people have said had loved to commit no. No, you're not allowed in my house. And I'd love to come stay with you. Absolutely. Not. I'm just going to be here alone at my Superfund site with these things and what I've done in my house to try to mitigate this problem is on the the living room floor. I've got all my windows open. And I've got box fans in the windows just sucking in fresh Issur Jersey City, so it's fresh air. But then on the third floor. I've got I've got the windows open the box fans facing out. I've got this fetid chimney effect, just going, and it's and it's working it's working breathe in my apartment. You can't come over. But if you did sneak in you could breathe, and so it's good, and I've got it under control, and I only have five more weeks of this, and then and life will be back to normal. But then suddenly my house fills with another smell. That is the only other smell that could compete with kittens Fulla. Terrible poop, and it is a cigar outside my window that. Somebody is smoking and it is getting sucked right in with these box fans. And this happens a lot because thank you bench. Usually, I'll get a small get we'd which is actually welcomed because he could probably tell that I need to chill out every once in a while. So that's cool. And if someone's smoking a regular cigarette fine because they'll be done in five minutes, but cigar smokers. They're in it for the long haul. And that send is just so clawing an awful. And I know it's going to happen. I'm gonna walk downstairs, and it's going to be like some older white guy. And he's gonna you know, have a little bit of an attitude because I figure like the cigar is just kind of it's the tobacco embodiment of like maga- hat. Fucker feelings t shirt, and I'm going to go down and say like give the same spiel that I always give which is hey, you are welcome to stay here. But the cigars gotta go. And then they'll give me a little pushback, but not a lot because they've heard this before because the reason they're outside my windows because their wives have kicked out of the house because they not going to have that smell in their house. So here's like another old lady telling them, absolutely not. So they'll push back a little, and then I always pull out the Trump card, which is a pay. I got a I got a baby sleeping upstairs, and it's going right into the nursery and I- glare at them challenging them to argue about my advanced maternal age. And inevitably they'll grow Bloor, they'll take their cigars, and they'll leave and so I had downstairs, and I'm prepared for this argument. But I'm not prepared for who. I see sitting outside with a cigar the length of my femur, and is this young kid, and he's very hit. He's very Natalie dressed. He's got a slim suit highly polished, shoes, he's an African American kid. He's got like an old school fade. He's got his laptop already in his phone. He sitting down. He's got a night of a business ahead of them. And he's going to he's going to smoke a cigarette. And I was like his cigar. I thought are you smoking this. I Ron like who are you? And and I give him the same spiel say, hey, you're welcome. You're welcome to stay here. But your your cigars gotta go. It's going right into my house, and he just takes a puff on it. And he says, no. That's not part of the script at all. We have a social contract here. I don't really know what to do. And he says this is a public space, and I can stay here. And do what I want in it. It's not illegal to sit here with my cigar. Yes. It is a public space. But you're in my space and your cigar is coming up, and it's going right into my baby's room. And he he sees right through that takes another -nother long drag any ex- hails, and it's just a big middle finger going right up into my fan. So I do what you always do in these situations. And I take a picture of him because I'm going to shame him somewhere. And he doesn't care. He just tease posing. You know for an acoustic cigar lovers monthly and goes about his business. So I don't know what to do. So I do what everybody doesn't turn to the internet. And I go stairs. And again on my little community bulletin board. And it's the little group where we just complain about. Why doesn't anybody feel that pothole or it's so noisy here? And then you get the old school guys going. Well, why did you move to a city? And then it becomes that argument is it's the most unhelpful group, you know, on Facebook. But I get on. All right. They recommended a good plumber. Once maybe these guys can help me out. And I don't really know my neighbors for full this. My house always is this is like ten years in and it's in order to actually meet my neighbors. I'd have to leave my comfortable house. And instead, I am poor old friends. And so I don't know these guys, but for this Facebook group and their dogs. I recognize her dog on the street, but my neighbors I have never really yet clicked but again on I'm like, all right? You guys got to help me with this. And I explained the situation. And then, of course, their first suggestion is close, your windows and. I can't don't ask me to explain. But if I close, my windows, I will die. So. They say, well, you know, call the police. Oh, no, no. I'm not going to be barbecue. Becky, I'm not calling the police on a black kid just living his life. Even though the the the detritus from this life is coming up into my house and filling the lungs of my imaginary baby, I'm still I'm not going to call the police on them. And then somebody else helpfully points out that well, if you call the nonemergency line, they're not gonna show up because you've already stated that it's not an emergency. And they barely show up for the actual -mergency. That is a good point. So the Jersey City emergency police line is basically a help desk, and I should call them. And so I call them and the very first order of advice. They give me which is very useful as close your windows. And then meanwhile, everybody's kind of having a little conversational lines. Somebody's like a poor personal water on them out your window. And I say to the Cup. Hey, I'm somebody suggesting portion water on the woman on the other line is like man, that's assault. We don't actually recommend that you assault somebody in front of your house. And then she says, well, what's is this your property as we'll know I rent, and she said, well, can your landlord if you if your landlord context than it's different because if somebody's put out a bench, it's kind of welcoming, and you can't then unwelcome somebody have your landlord causing. It's like, I know exactly where my landlord is. He's out in the garden smoking a cigar because his wife won't let him inside. And if I call him with this complaint, he's going to raise my rent market rate. So he's not a resource at all. And so I think the woman for her time and kind of log off and then I think oh, oh, wait. I might have a solution here. So I go up to the third floor bedroom, and I walk into the fetid kitten room and pickup bucket with a lit on it and. So proud of myself that I thought of and I go down, and I go outside and he's still sitting there, and he's got he's beginning a lot of work done. I'm actually really impressed because it super late and. Making phone calls. And so I go and I sit down next to him on the bench. And I put my little fuck it next to me. I just say, hey, and he looks up at I take the lid off, and it's like the Pulp Fiction suitcase. But just glowing with kitten poop, and it takes just a second just melts his face off. And he leaps up off of the bench. He's like those little those little goats those rocket feet like he just just never seen anybody just leap so high. And he's like what what is that? What are you doing? It wasn't. It's a public space and. So I'm going to sit here in this public space and enjoy it with with my bucket full of poop. And. Beside himself. No, he doesn't know what to do. And he's talking to Israel. You're not gonna believe this. And then he hangs up and then he's kind of having a little mini freak out. And I said again, you know, you're you're welcome to stay and people are walking by this is going down on their wondering like are. They breaking up. And so then he gets his camera, and he's a pitcher reme- at I. From my are my bucket. Like, I'm posing for the cover of psychology today. And I wish I knew his name 'cause I would probably make that my profile picture and so starts packing. His stuff is grumbling and packing up. And I'm like, you know, just again, you can stay, but your your cigar, leaving always you're crazy. And then so he storms off and I cover my bucket and go back inside. And and I and I fill in my my little neighborhood group on on what has just gone down. And they're so impressed. Very impressed. And and so what has happened? There is that you know, I've I've a cleared my my air of one contaminant, and my neighbors now know who I am. So it's all good. That was Tracy Rowland Tracy is a three time moss story, slam champion who first appeared on the story quieter stage in twenty eleven she's also part of the producing and hosting team behind the liar show, a long running New York City institution, Tracy works as a writer and video editor where her promos in shorts have appeared on NBC Cartoon Network and zero America, she won a local EMMY in twenty ten but her mom's still thinks it was the regular guide is okay, Tracy. We have our first show in Dallas this week where my mom lives. And she asked me the other day of the show is for children. I said Ma I've been doing this for nine years you thinking I'm doing puppet shows and libraries entire time. But I digress. Today's episode is supported by. Indeed when it comes to hiring. You don't have time to waste you need help getting to your shortlist of qualified candidates fast. That's why you need indeed dot com post a job in minutes, set up screener questions than zero in on qualified candidates. An intuitive online dashboard. And when you need to hire fast exceleron results with sponsor jobs. New users contrive refree at indeed dot com slash podcast. That's indeed dot com slash podcast. Terms, conditions, and quality standards apply. Our next door today is from John Marco sarisi is recorded in January twenty nineteen at caveat. In New York City the theme that night was rebirth. I I think I saw some of you recognize me from my college production of cats. I was one of the cats. I was wearing makeup. Maybe that's that's unimportant was important. Is that in in the orchestra pit which I like to call the litterbox. There was. There was this woman. And I don't know if it was in spite of her tuba or because of it, but I fell in love. And her name her name was Laura, and she's she's a she an Audrey Hepburn with the mind of an anti hall like with these big thick glasses that magnified her slight Hazel is that nearly disappeared whenever she smiled and she smiled every time. I walked on a room, and then she would recreate an entire episode of this American life or let me be little spoon for three months in a row. And we dated and our relationship lasted all four years of college up to graduation. And then we had that big decision to make we had other couple friends some breaking up some some getting married we weren't going to do that. Because one thing we had in common is both both our parents were divorced her. Parents got divorced when she was seven. My parents got divorced when I was seven days old. Yes. Like most kids. My first word was, mama. But my next five were told me to tell you. So we we kind of met in between we we we moved into gather in New York City to join an acting companies just so I could waste a little more of my parent's money and. Things were going. Well, is the first girlfriend I ever lived with. But I had lived with plenty of my dad's girlfriend. So I had experienced and. And whenever we felt frustrated. We fortunately we had a weekly pay what you can yoga class to I call it. Our weekly free yoga class to kind of get out all our tension. Until one day. We were walking home from a very relaxing Vanessa. Would we pass this older man on the on the corner? Older guy had a big beard. He was in kind of a crumpled suit, the color of tombstone, and he was holding in his outstretched arms a cardboard box and in the box where five of the tiniest kittens I'd ever seen, and he launches into the story that that he's he's actually a funeral director. And he was leaving a service that morning when he found the box with the kittens note, and he thought they were door -able, but his wife was deathly allergic. So he couldn't keep them. And as he's telling the story, I see Laura start to pet the kids start to hold the kittens. And then I see your start to name the kittens, we gotta go. Now, we gotta go. We gotta get outta here. So I give her a quick Pat down to make sure that she didn't hide any pockets and. We turn to leave. When this this guy sister. No one in particular, the very clearly for us. He says, well, if no one adopts them by the end of the day, I'm going to have to drown them in my pool. 'cause you know, those are the only two options in that situation. And I try holding onto Laura, but it's like that thing I would like mom like lifts car to save a child. She breaks my grass she grabs the box, and she just gallops into the sunset like like a lioness with her cubs. And when I found her somewhere in the heights, she. She swore to me. She swore. She would have them in a shelter or adopted by the end of the week and long story short. I had to drown them. That's that's joke. Joke luxury short I was living in an Upper West side litterbox. And real quick. I think you've maybe have gathered. I'm not a cat person. Because my my earliest memory like a lot of therapy and hypnosis and sensory deprivation, and my my earliest memory is is my mom, and I moving into her new boyfriend's house and this boyfriend was actually my dad's former divorce lawyer very complicated wouldn't went from representing my father to filling in for him. And it's the plot of hamlet and. We're moving in and he had this cat named smoky black cat with a little white at the end of his tail and I went to pet smokey. And as cats are apt to do when you show any kind of faction smokey scratched my face, and there was blood and I asked if I could live with my dad forever. And I was doing okay though, with with with this this box of kittens because they were too small to get out of the box but a week passes, and we still have five kids, but they're a little bit bigger another week passes still five kittens little bit bigger another week passes. We now have three kids because two of them got out of the box with their claws. And now there's cats everywhere, they're they're straight tales that it's like it's like a booby trap. Step on a clock comes out of nowhere. I feel like Indiana Jones going to the bathroom every morning. And I I tried. I tried so hard to get along with these cats because I love I loved Laura I'd love Laura more than hated these kittens? And and I even love that this was that was her impulse to to adopt them because I think I think it's it's that same impulse that made her date may because. In a lot of ways. I think maybe maybe I don't like cats because in a certain sense. I'm I'm I'm I'm a cat in the sense that you also an asshole and. Well, you know, this is not this not just my opinion. Okay. Story collider. This is science because he's here's here's the reason that dogs are so nice is because because of because of unnatural selection, we domesticated dogs over fifteen thousand years ago, and we bred them to help us hunt and snuggle and make YouTube videos, but I know this cat YouTube videos, but they're very different because I've tried to make you YouTube videos dogs, the dog is your scene partner cat you. It's like wildlife there's a lot of waiting and like bathing and someone can get hurt. And that's because that's because cats have that's why we we have. We have TOTO and Beethoven and airbud and the dog from Frazier and Garfield is a reason, and is because cats have only been domesticated for about nine thousand five hundred years, and unlike dogs cats chose us they came to us because we had food the food attracted rats and the rats attracted. Cats. And who did the cats attract they attracted this parasite that lives in their poop? It's called taco plasma Gandhi. And this parasite causes a disease called talk. So plasma sus, and this disease this disease, if a mouse or rat gets it it changes their brain chemistry that makes these rats and mice attracted to the smell of cat urine. And humans can get talks. Plus most it's inconclusive. It changes our brain chemistry. But if it gets into a growing baby it can be utterly lethal. And again, this isn't the cat's fault. I guess and it's not it's not like Lauren. I ran a place that we were going to have a baby anytime soon, I'm just saying between the rats and mice and the talks will plasma Ghada. You are the company that you keep. And and and cats very arrogant like I try to talk to them and call their name and Laura would defend them. She said, it's maybe they're feline brains. Can't can't understand our vocal patents. But no, there was a study. I did a lot of research on this. There was a study called vocal recognition of owners by domestic cats. That showed cats do recognize their owners voice, they can tell because their ears twitch in their heads move. But that's it other than that. They do nothing that just like, oh, it's you. And we fooled we could fool because the cat the cat whenever we get home. The cats will rub against our legs. And we'll oh that's love is not love. They just they're just rubbing their endorphins. And faira moans all over you. Because they're claiming you as property it's like if I went up to run my armpits on your face. That's not love. That's corrosive. And all of this is real when the show is done. Just Google Wildcats are evil and all of this will come up. The only thing that got me through this time was was there was one one cat of the five named baby and Laura named him baby. Because baby was the runt of the litter. Baby actually is still had not left the box. Because he was so small it was so small I could pick them up with two fingers, and I would just lie down. And I would I realized this is like the state I could enjoy cats in is like when there were line comatose, really or catatonic if you will and I would lie down put baby on my chest. And we just try to sink synchronize my breath with his for hours, but baby as babies do got bigger and bigger and one day. I went to pick them up with three fingers this time. I put him on my chest. And when I went to take him off baby scratched me on my face. And there was blood. And that's that's when I said, I said, Laura, I said, look, this is not this is this was not the plant at all. I can barely take care of myself. Let alone five cats. We don't have the money. We're both artists to to the cat litter in the food and the veterinarian bills that are going to be coming up shortly. And like this is this is not what we're doing. This is not the phase of life that we're in. And I love you put baby. It's either me or the cats. And I really miss Laura. She she ended up finding a home for three of those cats. She kept she kept to baby and another one named Posey. She moved to LA she a meta meta nurse minute Medica, and they got married, and they they live together. Now them the two cats and two beautiful children. Me on the other hand. I'm I'm single. I have no cats. I have no children. I have two roommates. That no one will adopt. And. I've been working on this story, actually, a good friend of mine named Alice who I run my stories by sometimes she she actually had a cat that somehow got pregnant and had five five kittens. And she knows how much I miss Laura, and the how I can be lonely sometimes CI came she she'd knocked on my door. She surprised me she came to my door and in her hands. She was holding the runt of the litter as that. Hey. How you feel about adopting? Just one cat. I looked at that. Cam was like, no, I hate cats. Have you been listening to any of saying, you know, way? But I do know now that I would live with a million cats if it meant Laura coming back. Thank you. That was John Marco sarisi. Joe Marco is a New York-based. Stand up comics, storyteller and actor. He's headline. Caroline's on Broadway, stand up New York and many more and his work has been featured on funnier die fast company, the Atlantic. And Netflix is upcoming global series bonding he recently acted opposite, Tracy Morgan on the last. Oh, gee, and Tom Selleck on CBS is blue bloods. Story glider is grateful for the support of Tiffany co foundation and of science sandbox assignments foundation initiative dedicated to engaging everyone with the process of science story players led by me artistic director Aaron Barker as well as executive director, Liz Neely with help from deputy director Nisa Greenberg operations, import manager Lindsay Cooper and the rest of our amazing team stories we turned into days podcast from shows produced by Pollock rocks, and Tracy Rowland. The podcast is produced by senior podcasts editors always Andres with help from win HOGAN, the theme music is by ghost special. Thanks to caveat for hosting these shows and two cats for nothing. I would think is for the same. Thanks for listening. As we walked bourbon garden carefully Kathleen without stubbing. It notice moves like not at all. It's inanimate an utterly without brain function. 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Tuesday, November 19th, 2019

Up First

13:20 min | 1 year ago

Tuesday, November 19th, 2019

"Rachel can be mad at me for saying say maybe we'll be way back in the day they're like. NPR Karaoke nights out. We Have Karaoke Sing offs with Al Jazeera America. Uh We won and lost singing we are the world. What do voters think has more? Witnesses testified today the impeachment inquiry. I'm just becoming inundated. Did without much substance many Americans are paying close attention according to a new poll but anything swaying opinions. I'm Rachel Martin along with David Green and this is up I from NPR news. James Lieutenant Colonel. Alexander Vitamin is a key impeachment witnessed. Today some of president. Trump's allies criticized the veteran before his private live at testimony last month. This purple recipient deserved better than that scandalous attack. How will Republicans treat him in person? Today and protests erupted in Iran after the government. They're raised gas prices online video so demonstrations turning violent. The government has shut off Internet across the country is is that just the start of a wider crackdown. They with us. We have the news you need to start your day support for. NPR and the following message come from Vanguard Guard Vanguard was built around a radical idea that when you put people first we all benefit together vanguards. Thirty million investors are changing the way the world invests visit vanguard dot com or talk to your financial advisor. Support also comes from simplisafe. Home security their wireless systems can be self installed in under an hour more from now until December second simplisafe is offering special black Friday discounts on all their systems at simplisafe dot com slash up first. Okay we're going to hear more now about Army lieutenant. Colonel Alexander Vin men who testifies publicly in the impeachment inquiry today as a top Ukraine expert on the National Security Council. Solemin was listening. When trump spoke with Ukraine's president in July twenty fifth phone call TV viewers likely to see Vin? Men turn up in his dark blue army service uniform but behind those optics. Vitamin brings a really compelling backstory yen. Let's talk about what we might hear from him. NPR National Security correspondent. Greg Myers here. They're great hey David Okay so give us the background of. How did he make his way to this job inside the White House well? He started and Ukraine. That's where he was born in the nineteen seventies when it was still still part of the Soviet Union and he's got an identical twin. You have gainey Their mother died when they were very young. The father brought them to the the US to New York Brighton. The beach also known as Little Odessa because of all the Russian and Ukrainian immigrants and it turns out the twins. Were in a nineteen eighty-five. Ken Burns Documentary Henry So let's have a little bit of listened to that here and then we went to. Our mother died so we went went to Italy then came here. It's so sweet so now both of those young boys are lieutenant colonels in the army and they're both on the National Security Council in Alexander vitamin WHO's testifying today He served in Iraq He speaks Russian and Ukrainian. And he's an expert on Ukraine and Eastern Europe on the National Security Council so much history with with Ukraine. So okay on that July twenty fifth phone call. Vitamin was at the White White House. Actually in the situation room listening into president. Trump's call. Wh what do we know. So far of what he made of that call well. He was upset immediately because has he gave closed door testimony back on October. Twenty ninth in in that testimony. He said I did not think it was proper to demand that a foreign government Ukraine Investigate a US citizen and immediately. He took those concerns and He went to the legal counsel at at the NFC so he raised that almost immediately so it sounds like his testimony could be I mean important but what makes this standout. Well we're going to be hearing from people this week. Who are in on the call? In investments case he noted and again in his previous testimony that he in the spring he was seeing what he called outside influencers promoting a false narrative so he was sort of on to this early on or had concerns. There was July tenth meeting two weeks before the phone call. He also raised that with the NFC legal council so he corroborates the whistle blower and even before this July twenty fifth phone call. He was raising concerns. And as you cover this I mean what are you looking for was this week goes on. We've got nine people testifying this week. Gordon Sunland the ambassador to the European Union is is coming up tomorrow and he was on the phone call on July Twenty six this loud phone call from a restaurant in Kiev. So I think that's going to be one of the important witnesses this week and purrs Greg Mirena studios here in Washington Greg. Thanks a lot thank you. So how do Americans feel about the idea of an impeachment. I think the impeachment thing is that total fraud the swamp in DC they're just kidding themselves. My opinion of the current administration is so bad that I just can't stomach everyone's playing politics with the issue as opposed to. It's at a point now where I don't know what the actual laws some voices that we heard from around the country as four more witnesses. Get get ready to testify in public today. Three of those witnesses were actually listening in on that July. Twenty fifth phone call between President Trump and Ukraine's leader that phone call at the heart of the impeachment in cree and whatever they think about the process. Americans are paying close attention right. That's according to a new. NPR PBS Newshour Mirrors. Pull the came out today. Let's talk about with NPR White House. REPORTER ICE Roscoe Asia. Hello all right so new poll. What numbers are standing out here? So Americans are paying attention so some seventy percent of registered voters say. They're following news about impeachment very or fairly closely but the country remains fairly evenly split about impeachment and a large majority. Jordy say nothing will change their mind at this point on the question of whether trump should be impeached and removed from office. Forty five percent are in favour. Forty four against two thirds of people. Say They don't think anything will come out that will sway their position that said this poll was done last week Monday through Friday so it captures the time before during and after those hearings last week and there's still time for that public testimony to sink in sure but I mean it sounds like there's agreement on that a lot of people you're paying attention there's agreement on a lot of people are not going to change their minds. is their common ground anywhere when it comes to the substance of what we're hearing there is broad agreement mid seventy percent of people say that it's unacceptable for the president to ask a foreign leader to investigate a political opponent so people clearly believe that president trump did something thing wrong but the question is whether he should be impeached and removed over all right. Well speaking about how this is playing out house. Investigators released two more transcripts now from closed door testimony including testimony from this. US diplomat. David Holmes. What what did he have to say who is so homes works at the? US Embassy in Kiev in July. He overheard part of this phone. Conversation between trump and Gordon Sunlen of the US ambassador to the EU and trump asked on that phone call trump asked if the Ukrainian president Alinsky would do the investigation and silent said that he would Homes ask someone after that call whether trump cared about Ukraine and home said that a silent told him that trump did not care that he cared only about the big stuff like the Biden investigation The language that was used on that call as a bit more colorful than I can use on a radio right now but that was the gist of it. I and silent scheduled to testify this week. So having this testimony out from homes is going to basically play a big part in that hearing later this week with excellent shape. Some of the questioning for him What about today preview? What we're going to see today? So two of the witnesses today were requested by Republicans. Kurt Volcker the former special special envoy for Ukraine and Timothy Morrison Pool was director of European affairs for an NFC and and why the Republicans wanted Volker is because Volcker testified previously. That he believed that the hold up of aid for Ukraine was not significant Tim Morrison was on that. Call between trump and Ukraine's as president. But he said he didn't think that anything happened that was illegal and so that's why the Republicans are probably looking for them. Also testifying today are Jennifer Williams and eight. Vice is president pence and Alexander Vigne Atop White House expert on Ukraine. NPR's Asia Rascal issue. Thanks a lot we appreciate it. Thank you Iran is warning of a clampdown on mass protests that erupted after the regime hiked gasoline prices right and details of this. Are Sketchy because the government in Iran has shut down the Internet last week. The government hiked gas prices by fifty percent protesters. I turned out and things got violent over the weekend. Several people are reported to have been killed. The country's supreme leader has condemned all the unrest which has reportedly spread to about one hundred hundred cities in a tweet. The Secretary of State Mike Pompeo expressed solidarity with the people of Iran. And here's what. US Ambassador to the United Arab Emirates. Let's see John. RICOTTA said on Sunday. We're not advocating regime change. We're going to let Iranian people decide for themselves their future but their future is to be part of the the world community. I quit a moment. Iran with target through with NPR international correspondent. Peter Kenyon. WHO's in Istanbul? Hi Peter I David so a hundred cities some of the reports suggesting these protests have I have erupted. I mean this sounds widespread and and pretty intense. Yeah the intensity seems to ebb and flow today. The government's talking about calm being restored Lord. We'll see if that lasts. These protests started Friday mostly peacefully but since then lots and lots of Cities Command Shush Arroz Bushehr is behind parts of Tehran. Obviously I'm not going to go through one hundred cities. Thank you lot of rioting all over the country In some cases gas stations are big targets or ATM's emphasizing the anger anger at this fifty percent hike in the fuel costs and that also by the way includes a rationing system. So any driver that goes over the limit of about fifteen gallons a month has to pay like triple. The normal cost by western standards. We should note. Even these increased prices are quite low But in the context of the Iranian economy. It's painful especially really for low income people okay so a lot of people angry. These protests erupt on the government is Rachel said is shut down the Internet. What else are they doing in response to this? Well there's Ben. Direct clashes between police and security forces and protesters and the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps has warned that an even more decisive reaction could come if these protests protests continue As you mentioned around Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has come out. He's cautiously supporting the fuel price increase. He's calling the protesters. Thugs is which seemed to put a bit of a chill on the numbers turning out But that's based on sketch your evidence because with the Internet Kat. It's harder to get the information now. I have to ask about any. US role here. I mean US sanctions are meant to put pressure on. Iran's economy are they related to this. Iran's foreign minister says so mohammad-javad Zari Responded to a comment by Secretary of state. Mike Pompeo who tweeted the US was with the people of Iran said any American regime that imposes coercive economic sanctions actions bars food and drugs etc is not supporting the Iranian nation. Washington says it's not targeting food and medicine but banks are reluctant to do a lot of these transactions and that's possible more sanctions are on the way and as you look at the economic conditions in the country right now overall I mean what what is life like. There was a brief respite a bit of better times after the two thousand fifteen nuclear deal started but since these sanctions came in last year the American sanctions. The riyal is down. People savings are being eaten up. Unemployment is way way up in Europe which has tried to solve. The problem with increased trade has really had pretty limited success so far. And here's Peter Kenyon in its Dumbo. Peter thanks so much thank you David. That's up I for today. Tuesday November nineteenth. I'm David Green Mountain. Come back tomorrow. Wow we'll be right here and because the news doesn't stop when the podcast ends. Follow us on twitter. We are out there. 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The Chase

American Jihadi

22:31 min | 1 year ago

The Chase

"Mr Rogers was beloved TV icon who taught a generation of children how to cope with their thoughts and feelings. Those children are now adults but the words and ideas. He is introduced to them by Mr Rogers irrelevant today. More than ever the podcast finding Fred reintroduces US Fred. Rogers during chaotic times his voice is a clear reminder that our emotions are more relevant than anything else host Carville. Wallace speaks to people whose lives were changed by Mr Rogers and people like myself off and when episode I tell the story of the time Mr Rogers surprised me by actually coming home in Moscow when I was seven. It's experiences stayed with me my entire life. Finding Fred is a production of iheartradio and fatherly and produced in partnership with transmitter media a series reconnects adults with a true American legend. That was fred. Rogers mean new episodes air on Tuesdays. Listen on the iheartradio APP or wherever you get podcasts. Previously on American Jihadi like there were two camps al-shabaab go Danny's was the more ruthless and the more brutal. They blew up innocent people in coffee places and hotels in weddings. Hami Hamami found himself on the side of Al Shabaab that started to call for some moderation. What happened was he just became part of my my daily life life and the people I talk to every day how many times I'd be like? Oh Man. I think this guy is suffering too and he's just in his own way suffering. Because you see the person as somebody what do you know. Now I'm still married but I think getting divorced six years. No kids tweet there for anyone who wanted to see it. Read just been shot in neck by Shibata Sassan on April twenty fifth two thousand thousand thirteen Omar posted a photo of himself on twitter bleeding from the throat. He said he'd been shot by shebab assassin. I messaged him to call me a sap. He wrote back a few minutes later that the bullet wound made it hard for him to talk later. He tweeted that armed. Men were coming from multiple directions and that the leader of Al Shabaab op de Ghedini had gone mad then. Almost twitter feed went silent. Two days later I got a voicemail. Yeah man just got the bullet to the nick we got some fighting to them. died so then on the run so be ready to call me. Omar had called me from up in a tree after fleeing into the forest. It took me two more days to get him on the phone. Hey man so you're fuck man so you're alive for the entire are year. Since Omar had I reached out to me he'd been insisting that there were people now Shebab who wanted to kill him. It seemed all of a sudden. His dire predictions were coming true How's your neck? Your neck shot. You're you're okay. Oh you wounded. I'm Chris Daum Bustle. This is the American jihadi episodes seven. The Chase uh well your parents are going to be very happy. They were so scared man. Your father called me and he was crying he thought it was all over. So tell me what happened. I pieced together Omar story over the course of two phone calls. uh-huh mark he'd been sitting in a teashop a few nights before when someone fired three shots from behind him. One of the bullets grazed his neck. Jesus man okay. Well mark got away away and made his way back to the house where he stain. He spent the night hiding out in a trench behind the house. With a couple of other foreign fighters Shabaab found them the next morning and ordered Omar and the other men to drop their weapons and come with him to court they tried to. They tried to shoot you and then they they tried to kill you and then some court like the next day while you have to shoot in the hundred court would plead out. Kind of microcosm of Omar's entire feud with Al Shabaab Omar insisting on proving that he was right the powers that be insisting Omar just do what they say. I have a right to tell because they couldn't agree on whether Omar could keep his gun with him. Bob Said court was over. It would give Omar Head Start and then they were going to come and kill them. US US refused to coach Omar in the men who were with him at it into the forest on after thirty minutes they they heard the three men who were hunting room after that whole Marceta trap rigging up a timed explosive device using TNT when the three men got close enough Komar opened fire. A hell on y'all got a shooting the T. exploded then everything went. Silent Omar left the bodies in the woods. One more time he had managed to survive but he seemed increasingly aware that his luck wouldn't last forever in June. Omar called me from the forest. Where you've been hiding out for two months? He told me that Ogden as men had assassinated two important al-shabaab dissidents. That's when I mentioned I thought I'd finish the article. I was reading about him by September. Yes issue. He told me he'd be dead by September. What Omar didn't tell me but may have already known is that the next set of assassins probably wouldn't be amateurs there'd be from Gdansk elite unit of spies? The Omni they hit squad within the group. You'll in the most the amniotic because they're always there gathering intelligence executing people they are everywhere and within the group they know if they cross any line. The consequence very lethal mollica. Dollar was a spokesman for the Somali government in two thousand thirteen. He says that if the Omnion we're after Omar Omar would have known enough to be terrified. They're very professional and what they're doing and you don't know who's part of it. That's the problem. It could be somebody within your team could be a driver. It could be the shopkeeper. It could be day Mamata mosque. It could be anyone you don't know who's bottle of that group. They are very sophisticated and the way they operate even in the forest it would have been difficult for her to hide he would have been in pretty dire straits whether it was the heat or the thirst or just running into to someone security expert math Brydon as familiar million with the southern Bay region where Omar was believed to be you cannot move unobserved throughout southern Somalia as a foreigner. There's always you know a kid herding herding goats coming out from behind a rock or nomadic family within a stone's throw you can't know who's who until you meet them and you can't know how they're gonNA react back to you. According to the reporting of Somali journalist Haroon Maruf Omar decided that things had finally gotten so bad that he needed to leave Somalia. A smuggler uglier agreed to transport him from Kenya through South Sudan and then to Libya in late August of two thousand thirteen Omar and five companions began heading southwest on September third about one hundred miles from the Kenyan border. Omar came to an area where he was able to get a satellite signal. He couldn't resist taking one last public public jab at optic Donnay so he arranged a radio interview with Maruf on Voice of America. You seem to have a problem with a little al-shabaab what's the cost of the problem. uh-huh causing the problem is that basically. He's left the principles of Iranian. And he's trying to show up into an organization that oppresses prices. Every single Muslim. We had to bow to some time back that he tried to kill you. was that true. Exempted what happened. He's starting to kill me because I know enough about his organization to know that he doesn't abide by the principles of Islam and I get one I picked out to be. The public is unclear. What happened next whether Omar angered Gediminas so much that he demanded ended retribution? Or if the phone interview revealed Omar's location or even if the plan to smuggle Omar out of the country had been a trap along according to Maruf sources Omar and his five companions continued south a week after the radio interview they stopped for water at a reservoir near village called Abbott Bul. Oh they paid the man who owned it and they asked him not to tell anyone from the Shabaab that they had been. There wasn't long before men from Gediminas. Hit Squad Omnia. Learn that Omar was there. They gathered more men to flood the area and waited early the next morning. Omar walked into their ambush. There was a firefight. Omar was killed along with two other men from his group. Their bodies were buried in unmarked graves near the banks of the Juba River. You the saying New Year new you. It's a saying that gets thrown around a lot but it can be a great motivator. 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And all at once distress shirt a membrane Anada started screaming and screaming. No no no and just crying and crying. Deborah called me and told me the news that same morning. I was lying on a half inflated air mattress on the floor of my new apartment. I felt a surge of heat and my chest. My hand started to shake. My immediate reaction was to work. I put together a new story about Omar and then rushed to the airport. I just started a new job. That week is reporter for Al Jazeera America and I wanted to present the piece from the main studio in Washington. DC but my flight was canceled so our producer ended up reading my report on the air. In two thousand six Omar Emami twenty-three-year-old American born and bred in Alabama left his family and his friends who joined the Islamic holy war and Somalia. Because I never made it to D. C.. Three and a half years of my life were boiled down to four minutes of copy read by somebody else to the end. Mommy was resigned to his fate and unrepentant about his his calls determined not surrender as a journalist. I'd always prided myself on getting in with so called bad guys. Hit men and skinheads and Omar. I was good at withholding judgement allowing intimacy to develop between me and my subjects. So they would feel comfortable enough to reveal to me what they might not tell anyone else Omar. It had gone further. He'd become human to me in a way that made his death confusing. I felt the loss of him He wasn't a friend but he was a person. I'd spent years trying to understand. Still I knew he had done terrible things. nomo person. It will have done what he has done. There must be something else pushing him to to go to that place and joined a group show Bob. They are pure evil. MOLLICA Abdullah had lived through decades of war in Somalia and lost dozens of friends to terrorist terrorist attacks. He made the case against Omar in very plain terms. I mean do real true Islam is the only Allah knows about Paradise in Holland. And were you gonNa go and for him to say he was gonNA be Maurier and it's just fantasies that he had this just crazy easy. Just shows you how crazy was whole thing of fighting for religion or killing on behalf of God you know Scott in until you to kill people my effort to keep Omar talking I sometimes compartmentalized the details of the violence. He had done in the name of his faith. I promised myself that that I'd come back to those details when it was finally time to report them. Now that Omar is dead though. It all jumbled together in my mind. There's this this one recording of a phone call between Omar and me like the right to do Derek that person in the call. I'm asking Omar about an execution. He said he'd been a part of what other detail question that I have from my writing we described when you had when you had to execute that guy according to sharia law. It's excruciating listen to both for what he says and for the way. I keep up this facade. That what we're talking about is somehow normal. How did you did you do it with a knife? How did you do it exactly? Yeah like on like you slightest pettus throat like how does that. How does that work I? I'm not familiar with the law nor like how one would actually go about killing one so give me if you can. You can give me a little detail helpful. We make sure that your knife is fish today. That you don't put some guy threw some crazy pain and then Make sure that tied nicely. So that like you also don't have to worry about like around in like vein and what have you so if the guy properly in and blindfolded and then The United is sharp. Didn't the guy keeps not really gonNA Knicks early. Okay realizes that like you get right right air act. It's one of those one of talk much in England to do it if it's done properly did he but he he didn't know that he knew it was coming. No I don't know if you calm about the whole thing and then You you know I think we were just GonNa like filming them right. Let him go or something. I don't know I I'm not saying but you didn't feel in the night I didn't squatter day. Two saw we had a camera minivan. Okay then he's like. They know that that the film it. What did you think when you watched it? Why called difficult on the Guy Pretty thought how people ooh Ooh Ooh the day Omar died after my story about him ran on the nightly news his parents called? They thanked me for my reporting mm-hmm they asked how I was feeling and their voices. I could hear mixture of relief and pain towards the end of the call Schiff. He told me that I would always be welcome in their home. After fifteen minutes. We got off the phone. I had no idea how I was supposed to make sense of Omar Staff. ooh I was alone in New York City in an empty apartment. I didn't know what I was supposed to do so the next morning. 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The China Challenge, With Nick Schifrin

The President's Inbox

33:26 min | 1 year ago

The China Challenge, With Nick Schifrin

"Welcome to the president's Inbox, they see if our podcast about the foreign policy challenges facing the United. States, I'm Jim. Linzie corrector studies at the Council on Foreign Relations. This week's topic is China's role in the world. With me today to discuss China and its relations with the United. States is Nick Schifrin. Nick is the foreign affairs and defence correspondent for PBS news hour. He has created in-depth series for the news hour from across. The world is serious inside Putin's Russia when a two thousand eighteen peabody ward, as well as a National Press Club's Edward M. Hood Award for diplomatic correspondence before joining PBS nick reported for Al. Jazeera America in ABC News Nick thanks for being here Jim, thanks much revenue now nick last fall you. You hosted a ten part PBS Newshour series entitled China Power, and Prosperity, and on July. Eighth PBS is going to premiere an update to that special series. That's going to explore how the coronavirus is redefining. US China relations now I want to get to the update documentary, but let's first talk about the original series which I believe, he pulled him. Get by going to the news website correct. You can go to news hours, website, youtube or just google. China, power and prosperity, So let's talk about how you. You put that series together so over about a year we had decided that we wanted to understand China and understand China's relationship with the United States and so this aired last September October so about a year before we started drafting stories, and what we understood as some of the themes that you and I talk about throughout this podcast that we wanted to hit on number one XI Jinping What your colleague Elizabeth Economy Calls, the fourth Chinese Revolution was Xi. Jinping is Xi Jinping truly different than his predecessors. Predecessors or was he just accelerating some plans that already existed in China, so that was one thing. The other was international competition, so that was technology and five G., the expansion of Hallway, and also the expansion of Chinese infrastructure development, and whether that was a tool for Chinese influence to expand, and that's the belt and wrote initiative as well of course, human rights issues Hongkong at the time was was already a very big topic and I. was there last July when demonstrators broke into the legislative. Council and you know the the detention of more than a million Muslim Leaguers Incheon, John in Chinese camps and detention facilities and we also wanted to show. Bit of China that they had probably seen leading manufacturer of green cars in the world A- prosperity I. Don't think a lot of Americans see the fastest growth in world history. I think a lot of US know that headline, but meeting some of the kind of young rich and famous, if you will Chinese and so that was our hope and we did. Ten stories filmed across seven countries seventy eighty interviews, really to understand a Chinese influence around the world and its. Its relationship with the US nick. Let's talk about some of your takeaways from your reporting. Let's begin at certain the first name you mentioned. She's role in China. is He simply continuing what came before him, or is he a pivot point in the evolution of China? He is an accelerate of what Chinese leaders were doing before to the point where history will look back as Liz economy argued as a pivot point, really believe that, and so some of the examples. Examples are let's take the South China Sea right so there were moves by previous Chinese leaders. Jim Is as you know well to claim some islands in the south, China Sea to throw Chinese military. Wait around, but it became a point of pride for Xi Jinping to show off his military in the South China Sea, and it became part of the Chinese foreign policy to on one hand promised to President Obama that this declaration of Chinese sovereignty inside the South China. China Sea and we can talk about east China Sea as well a promise, not to expand sovereignty claims, and yet the Chinese did that, and so that's one example. Technology is the other example of incredible accelerate using some of the you know the titans in Chinese technology hallway to try and expand influence in the use of that in order to gain diplomatic and political heft seen that before you know heightened by that era die awhile ago but Xi Jinping has. has moved so far beyond that there is no doubt that this is a a different China. And it's acting differently in the world, and it's acting different lay vis-a-vis the United States. Let's talk a little bit about how China's acting differently, but let's begin sort of at home. You mentioned Hong Kong. You mentioned the weavers to. What is your reporting? Tell you about what's happening on the ground there in why it's being driven in where it's likely to go so for. For those people don't know probably not many on this podcast, but just very quick summation. The Chinese in two thousand seventeen started as far as we can tell, detaining Muslim leaguers who live in Xinjiang with all the way in the West. What China has argued, and frankly I've talked. We argue this is that we are separatists. These are people who have declared shinned John as east. Turkestan to self declared independent Republican, Early Twentieth Century, and so the Chinese have. Have highlighted these separatists and a few terrorists organizations which are affiliated with Al Qaeda who have attacked in the Chinese mainland high profile attacks in the name of an independent East Turkistan. So that's the Chinese argument. The human rights researchers, the leaguers themselves who've been thrown into detention or camps who have been released the family members of those describe systematic oppression in an attempt to a race week or culture, weaker language, any wieger independence, and that goes to the theme. Theme that we were talking about before. What is Xi Jinping's China or rephrase? What is Xi? Jinping think China should be from everyone you know I talk to other than the government officials who are defending Xi Jinping's plan. The argument goes something like this that n Xi. Jinping's China. There is no dissent allowed so if you're a lawyer who defends a dissident, you get disbarred. If you're a journalist, writes critically, you get detained or even jailed if you are A. Who represents a different culture a different language that's not allowed, and we can use that theme throughout the world to make a larger argument about how Xi Jinping wants China to be at the center of the world and little interest or willingness to brook any to set on that score did shoot look at sort of the growth in the surveillance state in China with the rise of technology, the social credit system, which apparently judges whether you're a good citizen or a bad citizen based on a whole variety of behaviors. Yeah, we we. We did and and we actually made a very concerted effort to do a two part, even within the ten parts of the series to do two parts about technology, the second one was international technology. We can talk more about five G. Hallway and headlines that a lot of US know, but domestic surveillance is actually the core of what the technology story is because the Chinese Communist Party if nothing else is driven by survival, right that the idea that it needs to survive and the idea that descent challenges, survival, and so parts of. China's history involved of course surveillance, but the accelerated that the technology provides is quite scary for a lot of people, so whether Incheon John or whether anywhere you have this surveillance state that is able to track people's locations and movements, and then combine it with what they say, and what they think, and it's that combination. It's that artificial intelligence database at people like hallway. These companies are offering, and so you get things that are called safe cities, and so the safe city that we talk about with way exporting the world started inside, and this is a combination of tracking that we've of course seen in the past facial recognition that, of course we've seen in the past police databases. Of course we've seen in the past. The combination of them all is what's new, and then on top of that social credit I think this is a super interesting story, so what we did is we profiled A. A company called Panda the second largest insurance company in the world, and they created social credit, and the reason they did is because no one had credit scores like forty percent of the insurance company that Has Ping. An their customers had never borrowed from a before. So how do you have a credit score? Will you don't you create a social credit score and guess what it comes from everybody's phone data so whether you pay for your cell phone bill on time what you buy at the supermarket and if you take the. The logical conclusion of that and make it a government effort. It is the judgment by the Communist Party. As to who was a good citizen based on what they do what they think what they by where they are, and that effectively is a national credit score that is being created. We don't see the actual national credit score yet. It's not quite ready yet, but that's where they're going. In the significance of that would be what nick if they achieve their goals perfecting the system so I. Think from the Democracy Human Rights. Rights perspective from the people who believe in a Western version of of the rule of law there is a level of fear that will pervade the entire population that is based on a police state that has access to more information faster than anywhere in human history, and so that effectively accelerates the silencing of dissent that accelerates the detention of critics that accelerates the lack of rule of law, and that accelerate the inability for Chinese people to have freedom I think that's the argument at its core, so it's big brother beyond anything. And it's big data becoming big brother that that's effectively what it is. The government I mean Jim I think we should. We should say what the government would say. Is that Chinese technology makes China modern a huge gaps in in economic disparity cell phones have helped bridge those gaps. You've got applications and APPS like car insurance on your phones. That doesn't exist in the. The West and that accelerates people's access to these things, and of course they say that this is for the safety of its people, and they are maintaining stability in the mainland and in Hong Kong, and therefore need to crack down, but obviously the critics say that that's a front our that arguments affront for silencing dissent in maintaining the monopoly of power by the Communist. Communist Party Nicholas Shift Gears and talk a little bit about the issue of international competition. Obviously trump administration has made cracking down on China in terms of trade a priority, but also we have the new national security strategy in the United States which fused China as a competitor in your report. What did you come away with in terms of how the Chinese see this competition? Competition, the Chinese believe that they need to end can increase their influence around the world that is the headline and I separate those two phrases right believe that they want to. So that is the will lead by Shuzhen Ping to be at the center of the world that is a phrase that he uses often and the two thousand seventeen national. Party's Congress used a phrase. Since now, which is the world can emulate China right so never. Since now have we had a Chinese leader who said that China is a model for the world, and so therefore the opposite model to the United States and to the West and then it's the ability to write, and and so that's where I would say that. Xi Jinping didn't start the modernization of the Chinese military choosing. Pink did not start the idea that you know South China Sea is important, nor did he frankly star Belt Road Initiative. He kind of collected various initiatives that had already started. Started package them up and made them one of his foreign policy priorities splits the combination of what he's willing to do. In order to increase Chinese influence, and then the ability to do it, and so there is no doubt to me that we are in an era of great power competition near pure competition, as our military colleagues would put it in which China believes that its influence should increase and has the ability to increase that now I think that's where the debate almost begins I think I think that's widely shared the those beliefs whether Xi Jinping wants to. To completely replace the United States I think where you get a lot of division among China's watchers and end in my reporting, you know one of the best metaphors that I was given. Is Xi. Jinping wants to make sure that for every country around the world. He's on the dance floor, and not necessarily that he's the only one, but that may be like only one or two more like only United States only the European Union and only him, and so he's got most of the dance floor to himself if he wants it or he can have a little. Little bit of tussle if if he wants to tap in to extend the metaphor, but there are of course people including those in the government running China policy right now. WHO believes that Xi Jinping aiming to replace the United States Nick. Let's move onto the update again. I. Assume you did the update. Because a lot's happened in the roughly eight months since the series debuted, obviously, the series was wrapped up in advance of when it first premiered last fall. So what have you learned from? The update so I. think that we've learned that. Are themes have accelerated? And I use Richard Haass's essays specifically and say that you know I don't think that corona virus will be a pivotal history turning right or left I think that the competition that we saw between the United States in China has will continue to accelerate, and and we can talk about how that looks. Xi Jinping's in pulses inside of China, the cracking down that has has accelerated, and so I think the themes that we took away from our first reporting. BEING UPDATED IS WANNA crackdown inside of of mainland China, and so you saw doctors and scientists in the last days of December and kind of. Of Up until January first trying to put genomes online, trying to sound the alarm, a lot of people know when the name, but you know. There's Dr I fan who who gave Dr, Lee some of the information of scientists, leading the Shanghai lab as well so they tried to sound the alarm, and then they were squashed. Basically they were silenced by the Chinese Communist Party for about two or three weeks, and actually we can talk more about this, but by January twentieth at the entire system shifted. When Xi Jinping finally said Okay we should. We should share and so that combined with Hong Kong, right. Right, so the the willingness to basically try and make Hong Kong another Chinese city by effectively removing it special status, removing some of its British rule of law, replacing it with what is now being called the national security law effectively the rules of mainland, China that is an accelerated I. think Nobody Doubted Xi. Jinping the Chinese Communist, party would do it eventually whether it took whatever it is another twenty five years from now, but this has happened a lot faster than I think. I think people expected, and so those are the kind of the main themes that we saw inside China, and of course you know. Know the the real diplomatic in rhetorical brawling that we've seen you know Kinda Secretary Pompeo and president trump on this side and led by Chinese state media on the other side over the origins of Corona virus. That continues to this day if I make no, let's go back with more about sort of the outbreak of the corona virus. The Chinese Khalid took some considerable steps to contain the virus. There's debate about whether the numbers coming out of China or real, and that has some significance monitor things you right now is debating about whether it should open up to foreign visitors in who should get in. In what the criteria should begin on, the should appear a number of Chinese government releases. They've done a great job, but we seen just recently outbreak in Beijing do you believe that China has been successful as it claims to have been in flattening the curve or containing the coronavirus? Yeah, I mean I'm hesitant to describe it as successful or not. What I think is clear as a few things. China's numbers are probably not accurate, so intelligence officials say that they're probably one tenth of what they really are. One tenth one tenth. Yes, so let's say I think. The official number in Wuhan is like twenty five. Five, hundred or three thousand. I can't remember exactly. The assumption is the twenty five thousand is the real number thirty thousand is the real number, and so there is clearly an under reporting, which frankly Jim as we know, is under reporting all over the world for different reasons, perhaps in and so we definitely saw some under-reporting us, officials today tell me that they don't know whether the numbers coming out of Beijing, and the Northeast where we've had recent spikes are correct, but even then we're talking about a few hundred maximum, thousand or two. Obviously, the numbers the United States are exponentially higher what we do. Do Know is that there were people who tried to sound the alarm in the early days, and they were silenced, and then by January twentieth. The entire state shifted in. You know it is interesting to note that you know in this communist system, local authorities have been accused in the past of numbers earthquakes, etc, we've had very well documented examples of that, but the Centralized Authority under Xi Jinping that's absolutely accelerated since twenty twelve, and so as soon as C. Jinping gave the green-light, then suddenly everyone started acting, and so, what happened was three or four weeks of inaction or three or four weeks of. Of Silencing doctors and scientists became a crackdown, and and so we now see independent journalists and social media videos, showing this real draconian crackdown, beginning on January twentieth, and as closed down around the same time, and so what China would says it worked. It's OK that police drone would hover outside the front door of of a apartment complex, yelling at people who walked out that really happened. That really happened. It's OK that people were paraded through the streets for not wearing masks. There's a video that we're using of somebody chained to a tree and humiliated basically for not wearing masks so the police state. State mobilized, and what China would say is well say what you want, but it worked, and then we get the ideological argument that we can talk about which is Beijing and Chinese media, Sane our system is better, and your failures are a product of your system, which is worse Nick I. Don't know if you got into this in the special update, which is going to premiere on July eighth, but you have a sense of what China's thinking is in terms of vaccines, there's a global race to get. A vaccine is clear that if a vaccine camp reproduced in I'm not gonNA. Say It will or when? When it would be produced, that would be game changer in dealing with the corona virus, but obviously whoever could get to the market I with a workable vaccine, particularly one that was relatively inexpensive, would gain major economic and diplomatic benefits, but there's a big question of who gets the vaccine, so any sense of where Beijing is on that Beijing is trying to beat the rest of the world. There's no doubt and just as the United States has bet billions, and and the president describes how there will be billions lost on those bets just as Washington. Bet Billions on American and European companies not only to. To Reserve Vaccines for American citizens, but also simply to be the one to get their first, China and Beijing are absolutely doing the same thing, and so we see a massive infusion into the scientists that companies the labs that would do this. I can't remember exactly the the latest headline I I believe that there. There was human trials going on I. Think announced in the last few weeks just as the consortium Oxford, I believe announced human trials, so there is no doubt that China is trying to raise to be the first one vaccine, and we are going to see a diplomatic rhetorical battle over that vaccine. Vaccine who gets it first number two who it's distributed to and how quickly you know if China gets there before the United States Europe. You know we'll China not only declare victory for its own people, but try and distribute it in the west. Try and give it to. You know African governments and claim success there and use it as yet. Another proof that Beijing has a better system than Washington or London or Brussels does so no doubt that that is one of the next fights that will see over the next few months and year. You just touched nick on the sort of competition between. Between the United States and China and obviously mentioned a moment ago. There's been a lot of hot rhetoric going back and forth president for while is insisting on always mentioned it. The virus came from China just recently he referred to it as the Kong flu of the Chinese on the other hand, responded with their own wolf diplomacy. He's sort of walk us through this rhetoric. To what extent is it actually moving practical policies, or is this sort of ordinary diplomatic back and forth? That just seems to be sharper than normal I think it's a little bit of both, but it's somewhere in the middle so i. I think the most aggressive version. Is this that both populations are being primed to blame the other and to let me let me unpack that so in the United States? This is very overt. A president whose administration had decided on a confrontational policy strategy toward China weather in the South China Sea whether over five G. weather over human rights issues in Shannon John had this giant event this world changing event, and that confrontation accelerated, and so at the same time the president's critics blamed him for a poor response inside the United States and so the President Republican National Committee realized that bashing. China was A. A good political model, and so what the policy makers tell me is that the people who have been making policy in various agencies that are aggressive against China? Now have a more willing president because he believes that it's politically helpful, and so therefore we see some racist language from the President About Corona virus names, but more about the policy, a willingness to disparage the trade deal to question the trade deal, not quite a willingness to abandon the trade deal as Peter. Navarro recently said, but certainly a willingness to go after China in a way that the president has doubted in the past Republican even before we. We read John Bolton's book because of fear of how it would affect the trade deal, and so you have a confluence there, and therefore the American people are being told by the president. This was China's fall, and then, in Beijing you have four or four an audience, but also in Mandarin, four domestic audience, the vilification of Secretary of State Pompeo the vilification, not much the president by name, but the US security national security apparatus, trying to contain China, that's an argument that Beijing makes, and so you have examples of disinformation. The US army might have spread covid something. We haven't seen in a while, but. But still it was out there and vicious attacks on the US system again being at fault compared to the Communist system, you know rushing to Wuhan corralling the virus containing the virus as Xi Jinping called it echoing Mao the people's war, which he has declared that they've won. So that's that's what we're seeing, and so therefore both countries are almost being primed to blame the other. Does that mean that even if Peter, Navarro isn't right that the trade deal is dead now that it certainly in intensive care, absolutely I I think that it's an intensive care already I think if you talk to some of. Of the president's advisors, speaking more candidly, they would admit that the phase one trade deal was more about politics than about actual substance that China's promises inside the phase one deal while new. Frankly they expected them to be hollow, but it's on intensive care, if only because how does China live up to its promises when it wasn't clear before cove it that it could buy two hundred billion dollars from the United States, which was already a massive law soybeans. That's a lot of soybeans, a lot of tractors, a lot of all sorts of things that were on Allison List was pretty specific and so during. During the trade war last year. As you know Jim, you know destroy beans were coming in from Brazil right like there are market aspects to the Chinese system regardless of what you say about Beijing, and so when the market starts shifting, it's really hard to shift them back so that said young Jay for the top diplomat and China recently promised Secretary State Mike Pompeo that. Yes, they would meet their trade. Deal promises again. It's a lot of soybeans, but let's just say so. I think that what will happen is the confluence of China being a major part of the US campaign and Joe. Biden's people wanting. Wanting to position themselves as harder on China than president trump trump, needing to position himself as hard on China because of the corona virus in the political expediencies contain therein, and so if Beijing does meet its promises than the president left to make a decision as to whether to acknowledge that or not, but I think there's a lot of skepticism that Beijing will, and assuming they don't. There's very little holding that trade deal alive. We'll Nikki just sort of painted a picture of the domestic politics here at home, and I'm wondering as you look at the specific issue of Hong Kong. Is it the case? Case that administration that has been trying to get a trade deal or make a trade deal work. If it decides a trade deal isn't going to work might be thinking a little bit differently about Hong. Kong and I say that given. My sense has been to the first three years of the trump administration. Human Rights is not been a top priority for the President Mr. Bolton's forthcoming book makes that point, so we likely to see a tougher line on Hong Kong, and if so, where does that take us so the way I've talked about this is this is president trump versus president trump's administration so president. President trump was the first US president in history to link Chinese actions, vis-a-vis Human Rights in this case Hong Kong with a trade. Deal right He. He did that in twenty nineteen UN General Assembly speech. Now you can watch the video and you know you can say oh. He wasn't paying attention. He didn't care whatever, but the president's defenders say look criticize us all you want quote Bolton. All you want. The fact is that he said it, and he continues to say it, and he's continuing to be confrontational with China that said the Hong Kong Declaration that the president made a few weeks ago basically. Basically declaring that Hong Kong, no longer was. The Secretary States Declaration that Hong Kong was longer independent from Beijing and the President Subsequent Declaration that Hey we are going to end the special status of Hong. Kong was not as harsh as it could have been so on its face. Yes, it was a confrontational response. The National Security Law. That Beijing is introducing, but all sorts of insiders and outside observers point out that he was not nearly as strong as people wanted him to be, and frankly talking to people who are in Joe Biden's camp. They said that that wasn't as strong as either and there were. Were people inside the administration, advocating a stronger response, so that is evidence to me that the president is still trying to walk a line between confronting China as his administration has done much more dramatically, you mentioned the national security strategy in writing and in rhetoric, confronting China than ever before, and at the same time, the president's instincts still are at this trade deal is important, though substantively for America at American workers, but also politically and so I think that tension will play out, but will see it very soon. The United States has to respond to the Hong Kong national security legislation basically in the coming. Coming hours and days, and and that may or may not affect what Beijing does. Nick we've been talking about U S China relations in bilateral terms, but obviously that competition has major consequences for a lot of other countries in your reporting. Did you get a sense of how this tussle between Beijing and Washington is being viewed in other capitals, particularly against the backdrop of what had been fairly aggressive Chinese effort with the belt and road initiative. I'm not sure if how aggressive it's going to be given the downturn. The Chinese economy seems to me that there are a lot of people watching this competition whose decisions. Decisions are a matter to both Beijing and Washington. Sorry think there's two places we can talk about. One is Brussels and and how relations with the EU have shifted both USC you, but also you Beijing. And then there's more worldwide, which is you know? Combination of Latin America Africa Southeast Asia and to a certain extent. Europe when it comes to the belt, wrote initiative, and we should add Chinese technology to their so look. The competition I think was very high in the months and year or two before Cova, d'you know hallway, Chinese technology companies and Chinese banks Chinese infrastructure development firms had very appealing packages. Packages that they would go around the world offering to Malaysia Indonesia Latin America African countries you know I think it was seventy, five countries was the number that had signed up to the Belton wrote initiative, but as you say, the relations between those countries and Beijing have changed a little bit since covid nineteen mainly led by African countries who have gone to Beijing and said you need to give us debt relief. We simply cannot afford the loans that we have agreed to pay to your banks to pay for state owned companies to come into our country, and lay rail, and we owe Chinese banks so this. This is a state owned enterprise through through, and those countries have gone to Beijing and said we can pay and Beijing has been malleable on on this. According to most governments and Beijing realizes that they're not going to get paid back and given the domestic economic downturn and the international economic downturn. Beijing has been willing to relieve some of those debts. The US is pushing on that and going around the world. Talking to diplomats insane. See this is why why is de Shop? This is why you should have never signed the contracts to begin with, and also the US is now beginning to have an. An alternative a couple of years late, but the Development Finance Corporation has been meeting countries packaging private-public partnerships along with Japan especially in Southeast Asia and trying to offer alternatives, and we've seen obviously people like prime minister material in Malaysia. Post back on some of the Chinese plan, so you know that ship has sailed so to speak before covid and I think it's of on status quo right now, but certainly the US is trying to seize this moment of economic vulnerability, the world to try and push this as a kind of clarion call for why countries should be wary of Beijing Nick me just as one. One last quick question that is obviously in your reporting series covers a lot of issues. What sort of the one thing that you came away from in your reporting that you think Americans should know about China that they don't. It's a good way to ask it especially that phrase at the end so I I'll have two big takeaways. I think Americans who have never been to China who have been listening to us say things like surveillance state police state threat to the world wants to be alone on the dance floor. Whatever you know, it sounds like a scary place, right? This is not the. The Cold War this is not the Soviet Union right. If you visit Beijing visa to visit Beijing, you will not have a tail the probably just so rail you on your phone, but there is a very prosperous vibrant country there that I think gets lost a little bit in the national security debate, you know. I mentioned green cars at the beginning I mentioned the prosperity the upper class. You know we interviewed this woman who started the first finishing school in Beijing and you know she speaks better English than all of us, and has this wonderful anecdote about how there was so much poverty coming out of? Of the cultural, revolution so much inequality, so much insular nece among Chinese just a few decades ago, and how that explosion of wealth and explosion of access to the world has fundamentally changed the country, and made it a very modern place. At least the cities are very modern, so that's that's the one takeaway that I think it's important. That gets lost. The second takeaway is basically back to what I was saying. The reach of China the willingness for China to expand its influence, the ability for China to expand its influence and my question of whether the United. States can actually blunt. It can US policy's. With Beijing doesn't Hong Kong? That's not clear to me. Can a public private partnership born out of Washington and Tokyo challenge packages that have been done by hallway and Chinese railroad manufacturers around the world for two or three years. That's not clear to me. Can the payments the infrastructure investments that have been offered to the developing world over the last few years? CAN THAT BE CHALLENGED? That's not clear to me and so I would say that it's a pivotal moment which the US is trying to blunt, China's momentum, but that'll momentum is pretty strong with those important and sobering questions close up the president's Inbox for this week. My guess is been Nick Schifrin. Schifrin the foreign affairs and Defence Correspondent for PBS Newshour in the host of PBS Newshour present China, power and prosperity, which airs on Wednesday July Nick, thanks for joining me gems. Excellent police ascribed to the INBOX snapple podcast. spotify wherever you listen in Lima three view, they help us get noticed and improve the show as always opinions expressed in the presence Inbox, only those of the host or guests, not of a for which takes no institutional positions on matters of policy. Today's episode was produced by call with senior producer Jeremy Shirley so he was also a recording engineer special thanks to Margaret Gach for her assistance. This is Jim. Lin- thanks for listening.

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The Conscience of America

"Never underestimate the ease with which crazy politicians will stoke the fears of white people for political gain. That is as old as America itself. Contain the thick a podcast about politics, race and culture from appeal see perspective I'm Julia Gallery Laugh. What's wait? A minute was a hot lead. Not Maria. No No, no, we're going to call you. It all-star wash his guest co hosting me today as Maria Takes Day off. Also joining us are two other. It all-stars all stars in the house. Calling us from quarantine in Queens New York is under. Alan's Alex Ramirez senior writer at Gen by medium. Foss Andrea. How are you? How are you and joining us from her home in Boston? Massachusetts not far away from me. Is the Fabulous Renee Graham columnist for the Boston Globe welcome back Rene. Thank you and I just WanNa. Big Up Queens, which is where I'm originally from I. I know that about you so there you go all the queen's Love, one of the greatest boroughs in New York we're GONNA start today show by honoring to civil rights icons. Who died this past? Friday Reverend Corey. Vivian C T, Vivian and representative John Robert Louis. The Reverend C. T, Vivian died at home in Atlanta Georgia. He was ninety five ninety five years old. He's a Baptist minister and a field general for the Reverend Dr Martin. Luther King who advocated for non violence and protests. C T Vivian said this about the Nashville lunch counter sitting campaign in an interview with is on the prize in Nineteen eighty-six. We came back day after day, but then the. The opposition began to get ready for us to the young thuggish types in town. The clan types in the city right begin to also come into the lunch counters where we would be then that's when our training proved to be most helpful because they begin to attack. PUT OUT CIGARETTES ON. People jerk people off off off of their stools and beat them and CETERA. Poor things on people. Our students were ready and they set their. Course that brought on the police when we were not defeated by the police knew who they were working for. That police knew that they represented the city. They represent the merchants. They representative. The thugs more represented us and here again is the importance of nonviolence. is that they were reached. They did not want to appear to demanding to brute. They wanted to stop us, but when we would not stop, then they had to begin to work on the thugs because the thugs so bring out the worst of segregation. And a racist society that even Shane's. The people who are themselves racist and who keep the system going? And that clip is from the American archive of Public Broadcasting W. G. B.. H. And the Library of Congress then on Friday evening just hours after a Vivian died John. Lewis lost his battle to cancer at eight eighty. Lewis was a democratic representative for Georgia's Fifth Congressional district for more than three decades. And he was all. Champion of non violent protests, and has been remembered for saying. Make good trouble. Roy visit. Visit Tuskegee visit Birmingham I signs to say white men men white women win the White, leading lady. Go, downtown to the theater. On a Saturday afternoon, all of us the children had. Upstairs to the balcony. All of the. Scheuermann downstairs to the first floor. Woman S. my mother, my father, my grandparents, my grandparents, how? Ready is, don't get in the way. Don't get in trouble up. One day in one thousand, nine hundred to five days of fifteen disagreed. Heard About Rosa costs. I heard the worst part. Is the CAIN junior on radio? So that scenario, the pods and indeed ship, and the words of thing is fine me to find a way to get in the way and I got in the way I got in trouble. Necessary trouble. Congressman seven years ago at the American Library Association Conference Reverend Vivian and Representative Lewis for icons. Heroes in the trenches of the civil rights movement, who both were leading protests both took part in the freedom riders. Both men were at the historic and sixty five Selma March, which helped lead to the signing of the Voting Rights Act and not surprisingly over the weekend many Republicans share Trivia. To John Lewis something shirt. It's also Elijah, Cummings which was interesting. We'll talk about that. Despite the fact that Republicans right now are against everything. This man stood for in fact everything both men stood for and so as many of said the best way to honour representative Lewis and Reverend Vivian for the matter would be to restore the now gutted nine hundred sixty five voting rights act right, and Rene you recently wrote in the Boston Globe that representative Lewis wasn't just the conscience of the Congress, but I'm quoting, he was the conscience of America. And the deaths of Congressman Lewis and Reverend See TV the in happened while we're in this historic moment of the black lives, matter movement and the fight for racial justice, so it makes a lot of these civil rights icons, even more palpable. So Rene, where do we go from here? In carrying on the legacy of civil rights icons like Louis and Vivian. I think an important thing to remember is John Lewis fought against America but America's hypocrisy and. That is what we saw again over the weekend with all of these Republicans. Who as you said stood against everything Lewis and Vivian gave their lives for. Fixing their mouths to somehow make it sound like they will on his side, they were never on his side, and so I think as we go forward. We have to remember. It's the hypocrisy of this country that we fight this country that says one thing, but always does another that has to be defeated. I look at men like John Lewis and Reverend Ribian as the greatest generation. Baby. Dared to make this country live up to tie deal. Make those words into action, and you know I think that is exactly what the people who've been in the streets almost two months now they're doing the exact same thing. This is a continuum. This is what John Lewis fought for fifty years. This is what Reverend Vivian fought for decades, and you know there's something to be said that who among them now who the now knows that they will need to continue this. This fight for years for decades even for a half century, so I think that people will hear that and take that with them as they continue in the streets and try to make this country finally live up to its ideals for everyone at Renault. You're talking about what Reverend Vivian an representative. Lewis represented these icons. These heroes and I just remind people that President Barack Obama gave him the Presidential Medal of Freedom Right? Meanwhile, trump gave the presidential medal of Freedom Rush. Limbaugh okay. And also speak Republicans. I gotTA. Ask both of you because we cannot. We cannot not talk about Marco Rubio. Who in his love in his for representative Lewis tweeted out a photo. Of Elijah Cummings who, by the way, is a black man who passed away and a hero, and is not John Lewis Rene. Representative. Okay you have to actually know who it is that your honor and you can't stop any pitcher or black person, but you know. What Marco Rubio Ted. has happened to every person of color in this country where it's just like. Oh, you're Vivian or your. Bother just like we're all sort of interchangeable, and it's not wasn't just Marco Rubio. Who did it? People continue to tweet out pictures Dan Sullivan. Coming, so it's like. How do you not know the difference between these two men, and so it just it just spoke so much to just how hollow the Republicans are in even when they try to honor an American. WHO's greater than they will ever be? Andrea No, absolutely, it's just kind of comical how we keep doing this and also like John Lewis. Lewis was someone that wasn't congress for such a long time. He was working alongside Marco Rubio for such a long time that he was not honoring stranger. It was someone who wasn't the hall of Congress with him and to do this and then just tweet out some lame excuse. It just felt very flat and I. Don't know I also think Marco Rubio. And we've seen this before. We let us well I. Remember a few years ago the Golden Globes mixed up. Gina Throw Regis and America Ferrera even though they don't want anything I like, so I suppose this has happened to him a swell soul to do it. It was just like come on dude. You're not talking about some random person. This was someone who. Was your colleague, and you owe more respect than that. I'll be honest with you. It's not a good look now. It's not for Marco Rubio I. Mean It's it's this whole. You know here's I I. Don't know if you guys saw some of the other like means that came out of it. It's like here's Marco Rubio with you know beyond saying and it was a picture of like Michelle, Obama. And I was like it happens and I. Did my part I did my part. I tweeted out a photo of Ted Cruz meeting. Trump and I said Oh look Rubio and Putin. The general. Reaction as you saw these legendary icons in the civil rights movement in the context of the Movement for black lives that we're witnessing now, it was very moving to see a lot of young people of color, especially young black Americans. Trivia to John Lewis and the Reverend Wright because they paved away and so many aspects for people to take on the fight today. And to remember your elders that way. I found out very moving in and also just. A reminder that we are still dealing with a lot of racism in this country, systemic racism and we still have such a long way to go, but the way a little bit shorter because of the incredible work that this two men did for this country. Speaking about the incredible work, they've done and the living legacy in the fruits of their labor. We have the black lives matter movement, right, and so let's turn to that and you know since the murder of George Floyd by Minneapolis Police. The protest for Black Justice and police abolition have been ongoing now. They're not in the news every day, but they're still ongoing across the nation and in Portland, Oregon things have taken a very ugly turn with the authorities efforts to suppress this movement now they're using tear gas. Gas They shot rubber bullets at protesters and federal law enforcement way let repeat forever. Law Enforcement in camouflage. T had been using unmarked vehicles. Yup, to grab protesters off the Portland United States of America straights, since at least July fourteenth, according to Oregon Public Broadcasting Right and people were what wait a minute. What what's that and this is going to quote this from Oregon Public? Broadcasting officers from the US Marshals Special Operation Groups and this is where Mike are. You kidding me and customs and border protections Bortobak. have been sent to Portland to protect federal property during the recent protests against racism and police brutality, but interviews conducted by OPB show officers are also detaining people on Portland streets who aren't near federal property, nor is it clear that all the people being arrested have engaged in criminal activity? Some of my best friends are fascists. What sorry? Wayne. Continue who comes up with these acronyms like I want that job but like. I know it's like yeah. It's like the Borg on Crack Star Trek. All right, but there's some good news here. There's good news. There's some pushback, right? Portland's Mayor Ted Wheeler. Oregon's Governor Kate Brown and both the State's democratic. Senators Ron Wyden and Jeff Merkley have called for trump to take these federal agents off the streets yet. Local police joined forces with the federal agents and made more arrests over the weekend so Andrea. We joke about this just for some Catharsis, but this is really echoing terrifying fascist regimes of throughout history and on Fox. News Sunday trump, said this many weizer killed also that I mean many many white killed I hate the sound for this is going on for. Decades, this is going on for a long time long before I got here. You know if you look at what's going on in Portland. Those are anarchists and we've taken a very tough stand. If we didn't take stand in Portland, yeah, we've arrested many of these leaders. If we didn't take that, stand right now. You would have a problem like they were gonNA. Lose Portland, so let's see what this so anytime of by the way, if someone asking about black lives, matter and and police brutality against black bodies, and you answer, white people are being killed. That's a telltale sign a racist but I continue. Andrea, are we seeing the expansion of coke? The border as trump uses border patrol and federal authorities to silence dissent. I mean. What do you make of these latest? This latest federal efforts to suppress the black lives matter movement. Yeah, so this all comes down to this executive order that trump sign and late June to protect statues and monuments memorial strike next week. Week in the thick will be airing an episode. The digs into that this whole notion of white supremacists, monuments, and taking them down, and and the whole debate and respond homeless Cardi created this task. Force called the protecting American Committee Desk Force, and that gives authority to the H. S to deploy customs and border. Protection and other agencies like US marshals to. BE DEPLOYED TO PORTLAND SEATTLE DEC- Sarah. It doesn't feel like A. Logical response to an extent. Right like we're not seeing the border move is just. They're using this part of Homeland Security to deal with protesters, but this agents are not really qualified for that. They're more. In tune with dealing with drug cartels, instead of like large groups of people protesting, it is scary, and some advocates have said that it does feel like a test. Run like a task for that. They could implement in other cities as well that have. been protesting police brutality, and and for change in the last couple of months. It's pretty terrifying, right? You know who the I listened with. Just Andrea said, and I'm like it's just a creation of trump's on police. Yeah, but the thing is. It's a border patrol. It's like on the said no one should be surprised. Just look at the the judgment you know. The Border Patrol can cover a hundred miles. All around the board of the United States I mean that's why there's Border Patrol in. Florida in the middle of central Florida because you're a hundred miles from the quote, unquote border, which is the Atlantic flipping ocean. The you know what I'm saying. It's so stretch like this judgment, but rene. You've seen the images. What are your thoughts about what you've seen in Portland? Never underestimate the ease with which craven politicians will stoke the fears of white people for political gain. That is as old as America itself. It is how newspaper editors justified lynching is how the government justified destroying the black. Panthers they'll call it law and order, and they'll call it civility, but we know those of buzz words right? That's just a dog whistle, but trump as usual. He's using a foghorn. So. This is all about him trying to gain. He can't defeat Corona virus because he's too incompetent and disinterested, so he's decided to wage a war. He thinks he can win. And that's what he's doing in Portland and I agree with Andrea. This is exactly this is a test case. This is a warning chief of staff Mark Meadows already said they're reading an executive order to expand the federal takeover of cities. Quote we're we're looking at is not only looking at what a lot of people have called. The executive order on statues which he did that, but that's really the statues are one thing, but it's really about keeping our community safe and the president is committed to do that. some of the unrest that we saw even in the last month or so, but particularly last night in in the week leading up to it in Portland it's just not acceptable when you look at. At communities not being safe and not upholding the rule of law so attorney general bar is weighing in on that with Secretary Wolf and you'll see something. rolled out this week as we start to go in and make sure that the communities whether it's Chicago or Portland or Milwaukee or someplace across the heartland of the country. We need to make sure there are communities are say. Cargoes Police Union chief drafted a letter saying they want federal help to come back the city's violence problem. So this is where we're going to be from now until November. He's GonNa continue to ramp this up in this idea that only I can protect him what he said when he was inaugurated. American carnage stops now. That's what he's playing into US smooth. We're witnessing. And he's playing into his white base to clear up their fears, so they think you know Joe Biden can't protect me. Only Donald Trump can protect me. Moving from Portland to another light topic, and it's something that I've been wanting to talk about an inch thick for the last couple of weeks, but we haven't had a chance with all the new cycles. It's this organizing for systemic and symbolic changes in this moment and one of these right is finally the changing of the name of Washington's football team. Yea, this has been a longtime effort, but there's also some push-back. Seeing that it's not nearly enough. Yeah I'm speaking about this I'm going to go back in the delorean. You and I were talking about this on the stream years ago. Remember that. Shows on. Both, back at Al Jazeera America and Aljazeera we did shows on the stream. You're right. And remember that people were like that so radical, and you guys are always whining and complaining and get over it and never happen well, twenty, twenty ladies and gentlemen, and there has been this push, it's it's not just for the Washington football team. It's kind of inspired. This movement and other example comes from Rory Taylor he's a scree, Chata journalist and former football player who wrote this for vox quote. There is a long history of entanglement violence and complicated feelings between indigenous peoples and American football while their retirement of the Washington name culminates decades of activism from indigenous peoples across the country. It is also hard knowing that this change primarily motivated by the loss of financial sponsorships like Fedex. has taken so long to secure right. It also reflects the most highlighted rule that indigenous peoples have played in America's favorite sport as mascots rather than actual people and quote. Despite this history, dating back to native, American boarding, schools, which essentially institutionalized violence and oppression against indigenous youth, but these communities have continued to resist and one way was to play on these boarding schools football teams, so many indigenous people including actually Roy and his father say that football. Is actually in fact. An indigenous game right. I Know The Washington football team name. Has Boston routes that I want to highlight and we'll have a Boston journalist colleague who might want to share about that? But before we actually talk about the name change. There was a whole other layer, so they decide to change the name and then a couple of days later. The Washington Post published a report that some fifteen women former team employees had come forward with sexual harassment allegations against three employees who were abruptly departed in the midst of all this. Rene I mean we're throwing a lot at you. In this current moment of reckoning and change showing how interconnected all of these injustices are from rape culture to racism to the dehumanisation of indigenous communities I mean. How do we begin to unpack? The symbolic and systemic changes? Well look, let's use the old line at the fish from the head. Now let's start with team owner Dan Snyder. Only for exactly album. He said years ago. He would never change that name. That's right. What hit him? This time was his bottom line, not his conscience, he didn't suddenly wake up one day and say Oh my God. This racist name is actually racist. He's reacting because his sponsors Nike. Fedex Pepsico were pressuring him to do so so while everyone is kind of patting him on the back for this. Honestly don't know why you have historian story that comes out in the Washington Post of this rampant sexual harassment of women in The Washington football teams. Organization, it's ridiculous. Ridiculous and it says everything about the way this place is run. It says about the way people are respected or disrespected and how it is tolerated. This isn't new. This has been going a long time. You know we're talking about some of these cases that they're talking about the post. Go back, you know years and years. What has been done about it? You know now there's this whole reaction, but they've done anything on the sly and very quietly. which is what companies tend to do, but I think it says everything about the management organization. Andrea, absolutely and I mean. This cases of sexual harassment are always so. Upsetting to me just because it's clear that people knew and enable it for years and years and years, and then suddenly, because it is widely reported than was like. Oh, we are changing. The culture is not that easy, you guys. Finley the fish ruts from the head, and you know it's downside or a super bowl matic, and in many ways you know I do wonder this is the case for many sports teams like the way that women are treated not only employees, but also female journalists like we've known this for a long time. These are like super sexist spaces flow of Misogyny, full of mistreatment, and there needs to be a wider reckoning and the way that. Are handling this I. Hope that there's got to be changed in Washington team and that they'll treat female employees better from now on will that happen I a little bit cynical speaking of reckoning, and and just trying to release it I just want to bring this up, guys. FEDEX! Took a stand, we had big money and a corporation. Take a stand and Dan Snyder like you said renee has been hearing this. We've been doing shows about this. Fool united show about this crazy years ago, right? You guys a crazy. Brown's. You crazy brownies always talking about taking away our football, and now you're taking away hotdogs and replacing it with Wrong with you. Fedex took a stand and if we want change, haven't we seen right in front of her face? Wash football team, if if corporations and big money take a stand, we can have change what I keep thinking back to what Saint John's University did in Nineteen Ninety Two the Red Storm, right? You're Queens, person. I was a huge Saint John's fan. I went to Syracuse so St. John's biggies them all the time that the eighties, but they're in Queens. I was just trying to make it Queens Connection Rene. that. Connection. And they were the Redmond. Nineteen ninety-four, they decided without a lot of weird pressure from corporations night all change the name to the storm, and they did that more than twenty five years ago so I don't want Dan Snyder and was football team getting a whole lot of credits right for this long to do this. They are reacting because they have no choice because Fedex and Nike were starting to be worried, they were getting pressure from their stockholders to do something about this. It all comes back to the money right and since I mentioned cleans. Cleans I also mentioned Boston Rene is a colleague of the Boston area journalists. This has Boston roots. The team is originally from Boston and they brought the name from Boston to Washington. So this is complicated and you know when you bring up Boston and racism, and and also the fact that I'll leave you guys with this. There's this movement of all these mascots changing in Massachusetts now and my My wife went to North Quincy High School, which is four miles away from where I live, and there's this like. This mascot and it's a stereotypical. Imagery that you're looking at it. In Two thousand and twenty and I'm like I can't believe that the Boston Globe even has to write a story about the countless of school districts that are also going to change the mascots but I. Agree with your name. It's like this could have been done a long time ago. Absolutely anyway, so listen everything we've covered in. Today's show is with the backdrop of the covid nineteen pandemic. Cases are spiking in forty nine places across the country. According to analysis by NPR on the data with the United States nearing some four million people. Infected by the disease four million. and. We want to take a look at Puerto Rico where I was born and raised in one of our guests is also from Puerto Rico Andrea. We're cases. And this is not a misquote. Is all according to the NPR analysis, cases have been increasing some two hundred and thirty one percent over the past two weeks and I think it's worth. The Rico in Kentucky are the two places in the jurisdiction in the united. States that have that number two hundred and thirty one percent. Increase over the past two weeks last Thursday governor won the Vasquez announced significant new guidelines from closure of businesses, too restrictive use of the beaches to restaurants have to re manage, and actually I have a lot of friends who are business owners texting me being like I got to close my restaurant again. There's actually reports of we're going to start finding people. It's just Porto Rico it was one of the first places to lockdown and it was praised, but. Did an amazing piece about the lack of testing and everything's GonNa come back because they reopened the reopen so two hundred and thirty one percent increase. Speaking about amazing piece, let's give a shout out to also Andrea. Who recently published a year long investigation which you all have to read in Gen by medium in partnership, with Type Investigations for your it wells fellowship, and your piece looked at this other epidemic in Puerto Rico. Domestic violence and I want to coach you, you wrote. Intimate partner murders skyrocketed in two thousand eighteen in the aftermath of Hurricane Maria. Puerto Ricans have faced disaster after. Post Maria including a series of devastating earthquake and the CROMER's pandemic that cascading crises have given new urgency, the longstanding problems in how the police in courts responded domestic violence along with the underfunding of victim services and have highlighted how the government's misguided response continues to leave the islands. Women Vulnerable I'm. First of all. Kudos on the peace. Thank you guys as ing reporting. Can you talk to us a little bit about what you're reporting found? And then how the pandemic is impacting women on the island right now? Yes, so I looked for a year at how the government was handling domestic violence cases in the island. What I found is wash quoted. Is that the police? Police has now been handling this correctly. Nine one one calls a take forever to be uncertain when women are actually interacting with the police, many times do not initiate the domestic violence Bronco, stay should. There is a ton of abusers within the police force I've found that between two thousand, fifteen and twenty, nine, thousand nine, there were four hundred and forty nine police officers who? who were accused of domestic violence by their current or former partners out of all of those just one percent went to trial was found guilty so all things were exacerbated after your Maria, obviously, the island was in total crisis. There was not access to healthcare to employment, which obviously made the situation at home for a lot of victims, even worse, and it was very difficult. Difficult for people to get the help that they needed, but the coronavirus pandemic is something similar. Right like Barak was in lockdown between March fifteen and June fifteen, even though some of the restrictions were lifted. We're seeing now that because of the increase of cases, a lot of those restrictions are coming back and what we softer Maria Maria happening. September twenty of twenty seventeen. The number of intimate partner murders doubled in two thousand eighteen, so this was. Ongoing long in crisis, a similar thing could happen with the coronavirus pandemic like we're not gonNA. See The impact of. A murderer's immediately because this is also set to be a long ongoing crisis, but my investigation I found that there were ten percent fee or calls to please in the month after the lockdown was initiated, but what police says is you know victims are just not calling because they can't. They're stuck on home. Probably what their abusers and and it's not safe for them to reach out for help. We're also in the middle of hurricane season, so it's just all of this things combining. Combining at the same time, and and the government has really responded to this crisis and timely manner, or even with the seriousness at the surf's yeah, and you mentioned the government. The current government is Republican led and it's actually a government that relies on the support of evangelicals and conservative Catholics and traditional gender roles, and you know the woman has to stay in our place in mostly you know. I'm not trying to over generalize relationship, but there's a lot of patriarchy still going. Renewed rooted, it's rooted in centuries of colonialism and imperialism, and the a fantastic work, and thank you for shining light on a very reported story. Final segment moving on I know this. All seems like a Downer of an episode guys but hopefully. We're trying to make sense of the chaos and the tragedies of world we went from. Marco, Rubio Thinking John Lewis a light to cummings the loss of two titans. Fascism and The escalating crisis in Puerto, Rico at least Washington and changing his football teams name, and we are trying to cope with it speaking about coping, let's move onto the final segment cova coping. That's right. Hey, wait a minute. We did talk about biggies basketball. I just want to say I mean Queens in Boston. So there was a little bit of joy, and it's also joy be brought back. Great Memories of Al Jazeera was when we were a little bit younger and less gray, so I'll take it and definitely less pounds, so but listen guys. Let's try to end this and so this is the question that I have for everyone. How are you all finding joy in hope during these unprecedented times? Rene Music. It's all about music. Immersing myself and as much music as I can the other night I watched metropolitan opera's production of porgy and bess. Wow, fantastic. It was taped in February where everything shutdown. Alan. I I. Take my mind off everything that was going on, but of course it deals with police violence, and it deals with medical inequities, and all those sorts of things right Mexicans I was hoping, but the music is so glorious. The voices were amazing. That's where I'm finding solace at any moment I can get music in my life. That's what I've been. You know renee I created a stayed home. spotify playlist that started since March, and it's now up to three hundred songs, and it's like so I'm with you on the music. It saved me. I'm serious like the team makes fun of me. They're like. Can you stop sharing your cheesy bad songs with us, but? I'm a Cheesy Dad. Yeah, she said I have to admit on the glow. Slack channels global opinion. I post songs every day. At nine, a. m. and usually around three o'clock I post on the globe. TJ and that is my unofficial role. It has a long history, but yeah and people seem to appreciate it so hopefully. That's helping them as much of helping we. We Love Music. What about you? I have to say? My group chats I think that staying connected my friends that haven't been able to see him since. March Husband really helpful. As just a source of joy to me to be talking with all this incredible women that I love and who send me pictures of their kids are pets, and we have you know running commentary on so many things, and it's good to have a group chat because that prevents you from tweeting stuff. That might be you know no receive. Group chat. And Yeah I, do think that living in New York for the past several years and being away from my home. It kind of like prepare me for quarantine KNOB, being able to physically touched your loved ones and hang out them, so yeah, definitely that group shed is like wonderful way to stay connected, and like every day all day with just have ongoing conversations. Yeah, Hey, was what about you joy? Are You finding these days? I mean I have joy every day as you guys know, listeners know. My daughter was diagnosed. Diagnosed with stage four cancer last year last April. She was too, and right before she was about to turn three, and then so we spent the whole year trying to save her life. She had a liver transplant in September. Chee was cancer free in January right after find out. She was cancer free. We went to cove it lockdown so it's been a fun year, but honestly we look at her. She's jumping around. She has four costume changes every day. She's spunky. She beats up her older brother her hair. Her hair grew back. She's puts on her own makeup and we just celebrated her birthday last week her fourth birthday, so yeah, honestly my wife and I we independently we just look at her three or four times a day and we go. She's alive. I mean she's smiling. She's happy. What else matters so that that gives me enduring joy my children. That's great to hear wash. I thought it was going to be your cooking because I'm all over your instagram. Twitter cooking close. To superior skill during lockdown. I find that I can cook for like Twenty People Oh my God. They're amazing. You gotta see like when I'm hungry I'm like frigging waters is like. Like, it's. For those of you who've been married a long time? I'm going to hopefully celebrate my eighth anniversary next month, wife, my wife actually looks at me the way she looked at me before we got married after she eats my food, so if you just. Actually Lust for you again. Who are you coping during covert? Actually found joy to bring it back to the beginning with Congressman Lewis I saw Selma. Great movie first of all it's an amazing movie and the end and the music with common and John Legend and just everything about at Aberdeen. A masterpiece. As I am unable to exercise my constitutional right to vote. I do not have command of my own life. CanNot determine my own destiny. What is the tournament foment by people who see me suffered that succeed? Gone to say no more. More. That means protests that means March that means. Disturbed apiece. That means. You're. asking. But number two. How the fuck did not win best picture in the moment, she wasn't even nominated for best director nominated. It's a brilliant movie. That just shows Oscar. So white is real and it. You know this reckoning that everyone's coming to. There's still a lot of work to do. There's still a lot of work to do, but it's a fantastic film and. So glad, we watched it this weekend. All right ITT, all-stars. Ramirez senior writer agenda by medium and Rene Graham columnist for the Boston. Globe thank you so much for joining washing me on in the thick. Thank you. Yes, I'm Hulu Regula. And remember good apple podcasts to rate and review us. Really helps also you can now listen to in the thick on Pandora spotify, and wherever get your podcast, you can also find us on our brand new shiny website in dot org follow us on twitter and Instagram at in the thick show like us on facebook and tell all your friends johnny on chrome. What does? In the thickest produced by Nicole, Roswell nor Saudi and our new. 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A Stain on Our Conscience

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A Stain on Our Conscience

"Life is really. There's no other way to describe it. Apart from the fact the palestinians are completely suffocated. It's really just intolerable intolerable situation. Hey what's up there. Welcome to the podcast about politics and culture from a poc perspective mighty. Wholesome and i'm so high did that right. What's up there like. They're here here we are. We're right here. Yes and joining us from washington. Dc is omar adare. He's the middle east political adult. Hey are welcome to our show. Thank you so much for having me. I'm excited to be here. Happy to have you. And omar told us he was like. I just got to give you some news and we were like what is like. There's construction that just started some of that or cats or dogs or kids or popcorn. 'cause we're still still recording from home all right. So we are going to provide some context on the recent events that we've been watching taking place in palestine and israel. We're going to start in east jerusalem. Where families in the neighborhood of sheikh jarrah are being threatened with continued expulsion from their homes. That they've been living in since nineteen fifty six. The un is called these forced to so. We're clear this is okay. The un has called these forced evictions a violation of law. When we last talked about this these really courts postponed a decision on an appeal from the palestinian families. For thirty days and on monday june seventeenth when we're recording this. Israel's attorney general said he would not interfere in the case which officials said would basically increase chances for the evictions of these families. A hearing is scheduled for tuesday right and then. Meanwhile israeli forces are still cracking down on residents east jerusalem including shakira and silwan another city. Where families are facing expulsions and then this past sunday mohammed. Muna occurred to the most prominent palestinian activists who have been speaking out and fighting against fiction from their home and shakira. We're both detained on charges of disturbing public order and participating in riots and this is what mohammed said after was released on sunday night happened. Today was a clear. tactic of intimidation. Reoccupation clearly doesn't want anybody to be speaking about the abuses. Its doing the palestinians residents and she'll johnson wine but we are not afraid. We are unintimidated. We're going to continue to speak out against all of this injustice nece and we're going to continue to protect our homes so the arrest came just after a journalist from al jazeera javara boudary was arrested. Okay talk about upping. The threats arrested on saturday while covering demonstration and shakes raw. She was released several hours. Later on the condition. Okay that she doesn't visit or cover shakira for fifteen days. I mean just like what are you talking about. This is a colleague. A member of the international press we know for decades israel has been targeting entire families women children and local media and essentially not abiding by international law so when it comes to justice for these families facing displacement and palestinians in general. I'm just wondering if you wouldn't mind omar talking a little bit about what that looks like in a country like israel that has you know. Essentially the word is impunity. They do what they want. So what does this look like. I think impunity is really the perfect word To us here. And it's actually the same one that is used by every major human rights organizations including amnesty international and human rights watch and even israeli organizations human rights organizations like but sam outlined the fact that israel behaves community when it comes to palestinians and that you essentially have a system of apartheid today in which you have one set of rules for jewish israelis at another set of rules for palestinians in the entire that is under israeli control which basically runs from the river to the sea it includes israel as recognized by the international community and the occupied palestinian territories that israel is obligated to withdraw from which is part of what makes this particularly crazy because when we talk about east jerusalem. We are talking about occupied palestinian territory. That israel has no right to be in. They've been occupying it been under military occupation for well over fifty years at this point it's the longest military occupation in modern history. And it's a war crime to go into occupied areas where you displace the occupied people and bring a part of the occupiers population to take over their homes. That is not just illegal but as a war crime and that is precisely what israel is doing in these neighborhoods so this is effectively the situation and it's really a situation in which some israeli officials i mean when you talk about the current climate in israel you just mentioned that a journalist gets attacked and beaten up and arrested and then released on the condition that they not cover a particular story. That's clearly at odds with this. That many americans have about israel being a flourishing democratic country in the middle east. And you know liberal. You know there's all this rhetoric about how israel is just like this wonderful ally that we have in a sea full of authoritarian governments. And whatever else but really. The political climate in israel has shifted so far to the right at this point where a lot of the long-term racism that palestinians have been living under the slow motion. Ethnic cleansing is becoming more and more in the open. Where at this point. The deputy mayor of jerusalem a person by the name of king explicitly says that part of the plan for jerusalem is to decrease. The palestinian population increase the jewish israeli population. They're pretty open about the fact that this is what they're actually carry out there. We also want to turn to gaza which is still reeling from nearly two weeks of bombings by israel last month that destroyed much of the city with israel airstrikes killing more than two hundred fifty palestinians and twelve killed on the israeli side so the airstrikes finally stopped right. After a ceasefire agreement was reached on may twenty first but the attacks have left over seventy seven thousand people in gaza displaced and some thirty healthcare facilities were damaged and that's according to the world health organization but this latest violence only exacerbated the humanitarian crisis in the strip where daily life was already brutal. The gaza strip is often described as a quote open air prison because of a blockade imposed by israel in egypt since two thousand and seven that restricts movement and often food aid in other materials from going into the city palestinians in gaza have limited access to clean water and many only a few hours of electricity each day. Unemployment rates are staggeringly high especially for young people and mental health. Needs are also high for many who've lived through multiple wars and sieges so far so omar even with the ceasefire agreement. What does recovery for palestinians in gaza even look like you really are pointing to precisely the problem in the way that i think a lot of people talk about. This is that for many. You know there was a quote unquote war and the now it passed now. Life is supposed to be back to normal except the normal for palestinians in gaza who have been under a suffocating seeds now or more than a decade and a half is really a life of squalor and we should be clear about the fact that when we're talking about this siege on gaza. Israel tries to pretend that this is due to security concerns. That this is why you know. They're afraid about weapons coming into gaza or whatnot. But let's remember the fact that when the siege was first imposed back in two thousand and six in two thousand seven israel was preventing cookies and potato chips and soda. Pas from entering the gaza strip and israeli officials were talking about quote unquote putting palestinians on a diet there so the security excuse is used only for public consumption but every now and then the truth slips which is that. Israel's is to make life miserable for palestinians in gaza because they voted for the wrong party when elections were held. That's essentially what it down to. And as you mentioned palestinians cannot travel in out of gaza are held prisoners. You have a population of about two million people who cannot go anywhere else in the world because israel prevents them if they tried to go out to fish if they cross a certain boundary. These really navy shoots at them. They can't trade with the outside world. The can't sell palestinian fruits or vegetables that are in in gaza to anywhere else. Life is really. There's no other way to describe apart from the fact that palestinians are completely suffocated and many need to travel outside of gaza for medical care because israel has destroyed. The medical infrastructure in gaza and many palestinians are prevented from leaving even with. They need life saving treatment. I mean this is the situation that we're looking at and that was before right right. We're dropping in this particular round. I mean it's. It's really just intolerable. Yeah an intolerable situation. It feels so much i remember and of course. This is not true because the situation in palestine and israel and this unequal situation has been going on for decades upon decades upon decades. But it's like when people would hear stories about apartheid way back when in south africa and they'd be like that's not possible you know it sounds impossible. It's like no this is exactly so thank. You are for really painting a picture of how horrible it is. We want to talk a little bit about the politics in israel so as of last week it was announced that israeli prime minister. Benjamin netanyahu's twelve year term. Twelve years okay is expected to end. Opposition parties led by lipid and totally bennett reached a coalition agreement to form. A new government with bennett said to be the first in line as the new prime minister. Netanyahu who is israel's longest serving prime minister has claimed. Oh my gosh that the election that just took place was rigged Remind you either on sounds familiar. And while netanyahu has grown increasingly unpopular in israel throughout his tenure especially with more centrist and left leading israelis. Many are also playing. His removal won't magically solve the issues with israel's government. because of course he's been there for a decade so we're talking now about some larger systemic problems for palestinians benefits far right anti-palestinian record is just another continuation of the status quo. So omar you hosts a podcast called. This is palestine it's produced by the institute of middle east understanding and you host it with palestinian lawyer. Deonna butu and this is what they had to say about bennett. He's a person who talks very openly about not wanting to see a palestinian state and doing everything in his power to make sure that there's not a palestinian state. He was the person who egged netanyau on when it came to annexation and said that annexation was something that should've been done a long time ago. He's a person who doesn't even use the term. The west bank the gaza strip. He calls today and samaria because he very much believes in settlement construction and expansion. So when thinking about this new government and the fact bennett supports annexation of the west bank which basically decreases chances of any kind of two state solution. I'm wondering what you think can be expected for palestinians in israel and in the occupied territories. And it looks pretty grim it does look pretty grim Whenever there is a change in whoever is at the head of the government that has an impact on the lives of many israelis but not so much for palestinians because we are in a situation where apartheid where permanent occupation over palestinians without granting them equal rights is unfortunately a consensus position across the israeli political spectrum. The re left in israel that actually wants equality or self-determination for palestinians is politically. Marginal is small enough at this point that they don't have much influence and the case of bennett wide recognition of the fact that who was terrible all around and he's very trump s in his approach but bennett really has been even more racist in their rhetoric that he has used. I mean he talked about. How palestinian should not be taken prisoners. You can just kill them. And he elaborated. By saying i've killed many arabs in my past and i see no problem with it. That's the kind of rhetoric that is coming out of the person who is about to be the next prime minister. And you can imagine what. It's like to be a palestinian knowing that somebody thinks that there's no problem with killing you being the person now in charge of your life being at the head of the government that controls your entire life. I mean just. Things are particularly grim across the israeli political spectrum. Right now and it's in part due to the fact that there has never been any meaningful pressure externally placed on israel in order to change its behavior. There's been nothing but you know verbal condemnation and criticism. Yeah but never really action to fundamentally change that dynamic. hey tulio. i'm on a soccer team. Yes actually play in the last couple of weeks we've lost and it's just this reminder that life really stinks sometimes but you know what i had native the odorant like after we lost. It'd be like oh. 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And when i thought about the last few weeks more obviously you know your everywhere on social media doing explainers because i do think you see just how impactful social media is for movements and palestinian advocates and organizers have relied on platforms like instagram twitter to document. What's been happening and have even reported cases of censorship with their post being taken down or quote shadow banned which is when posts are purposely unprioritised to limit their reach. So that that's a whole new game right. And we saw that in movements longtime time ago and to see it sort of the same type of methods being repeated but the censorship has also gone beyond social media. As even mainstream media has been reporting. What's been happening around this issue. Globally there have been pro. Palestinian demonstrations that have brought tens of thousands of people to the streets as recently as as just a week ago in washington. Dc and yet coverage of these protests have been minimal in the mainstream media. So omar can you talk about the significance of social media and documenting. What's happening in palestine today. Sure it's really been a problem in general to get people to care about palestinians period when it comes to mainstream coverage. You know whenever you get statistics of large numbers of palestinians who are killed and the coverages palestinians died in clashes as if clashes are some kind of disease and the death of some kind of natural disaster in a way that when israelis are killed from violence. There is a really the emphasis there. Is you know breaking news graphics and media coverage and in this case we saw that you know at the beginning of all this when palestinians were protesting the ethnic cleansing in shifts over. Ronnie's drew salim. Palestinians were brutalized on tape. Palestinians were being put in handcuffs and then beaten while they were in handcuffs and that should have been breaking news on every network. It wasn't and that was the void that social media filled is that people were still able to access a lot of these images precisely because social media democratized the flow of information and now people can see the outrageous behaviour folding by right now with the censorship. you are once again taking away that democratization of information and you see it. There are literally leads the institute for middle east understanding which does a lot of these posts they asked people share whether their stories have been taken down and literally. Hundreds of people have reported the fact that their stories about what's unfolding in palestine had been taken down anecdotally. I've experienced it where anything i post that. His palestinian related sometimes gets a fraction of the traction that some of my random posts. Otherwise get an. You have know facebook having somebody on their censorship board essentially somebody who determines what crosses the line. What if somebody who worked with the israeli government previously. Wow whose primary job was to restrict palestinian voices online. So these are all you know a real serious problem. In the fact that we want a more democratized internet specifically so that we can combat misinformation. That happens from the top down. And if you close that avenue out to than we have a serious problem with the fact that you can't have an informed citizenry particularly in this country where our tax dollars are huge. Contributor to what is unfolding. If you don't know what's actually happening we want everybody to know what's actually unfolding so that we can all make decisions citizens about what our policy should be. And what are the things that we should protest and should be okay with you know. I feel like on the positive developments around this. Conversations are being had all over right now in family homes like mine like yours talking about what's happening in terms of israel's occupation of palestine and the continued brutalization by israeli armed forces. And you know there's a conversation about stopping short of calling this apartheid or genocide in terms of the words that we use in gaza just last month we saw airstrikes completely wipe out entire families. In april human rights watch released a report saying for the first time ever that israel was committing quote crimes against humanity of apartheid and persecution palestinian writer. Rhonda up delfa ta broke down this argument during a qna in sydney australia late last month. Rhonda hamish if palestinian intellectuals activists lawyers have for years been recording and israeli human rights organizations that israel is an apartheid said it was an apartheid state that preferences one racial group over another. It is infused in every single aspect of its legal processes. It's ethnic cleansing depopulation processes it's military occupation it's brutal military occupation in the west bank in east jerusalem in gaza. It's brutal siege on palestinians in gaza. Even it affects palestinians in the diaspora. My father is here today. He's older than the state of israel. He was born in one thousand nine hundred. He has experienced three houses. Nine hundred forty eight exiled in hundred sixty seven and today's ongoing nakba. He cannot return to his house which is still there because he is a palestinian when we return as a palestinian we have to go there on our ustralian possible. And we're at the mercy of a soldier a conscript who will decide whether we can enter. He gave us three days. The last visit any jewish person in this audience today automatically has a right to return and live in my father's birthplace. Don't tell me that's not a tie. So omar you know some people might say okay well we can talk semantics and words and ultimately on the ground nothing changes but i do wonder what you think about these debates around language. I think words absolutely matter. Words are how we understand the reality and the more accurate the terminology we use to convey the reality on the ground. The better that is something that we should be fighting for. And there's no question that we're seeing is apartheid. There is simply no question about it. We're finally at a point. Where even human rights watch just came out with a report a little bit over a month ago detailing how israel imposes apartheid rule over palestinians. It is it really similar when you're talking about in the west bank in particular to jim crow. That's what it looks like. There are videos where palestinian is walking down the street and a soldier comes up to them and says are you jewish and when the palestinian answers no they say well then he can't walk here. I mean that's the reality that we're talking about. And you have palestinians being pushed out of their homes. In order for those homes to turn around and given to israeli settlers this is unfolding every single day that there are two systems government right now where israelis are ruled by what is often described as israeli democracy. They can vote for the government. They have the right to move from one place to another freely while palestinians living in the same areas in this case the west bank under occupation cannot vote for the government that rules them and they cannot travel for one palestinian city to another without having to go through israeli restrictions and checkpoints. That's the reality that exists and there is simply no denying and so. I think it's important that we use the words accurately same with ethnic cleansing. You know when you have israel pushing palestinians at the areas that they live in demolishing in some cases entire villages and replacing them with new israeli settlements. There's really no other word. Besides ethnic cleansing and when israel engages in the bombing of civilian areas that human rights organization after human rights organization describes as reckless and indiscriminate killing of civilians than what. We're witnessing massacres. that's what they are. And i absolutely think that is critical that we start talking more honestly about what is unfolding in order to be able to deal with it. You know you have to name the problem before you solve the problem and here we have to simply name what israel's carrying out and if you name it right people should not come after you if you are using the language to characterize the situation and we've been seeing a lot of backlash right of just like well you know then then it means you're antisemitic. No no no. No no no no. We're having a different conversation in terms of changing the narrative. What are your thoughts about that. Because i do think when you see you know that sort of narrative you can't name israel's violence like you're not allowed to get through that schorr look. It's a serious problem. I mean i think for starters. We should probably acknowledge that. Antisemitism is absolutely a real thing. It is absolutely a rising and dangerous problem in america and in many places in the world especially during the trump era i mean if emanates in large part from white supremacy and we've seen also in recent years you know shootings at synagogues including in the united states. So it's really nothing to trivialize but there is something just absolutely grotesque and really despicable and discussing about exploiting such a serious problem to smear people who advocate for palestinian rights with that charge when it absolutely does not apply here at all. And i think that it's a tactic that is in large part. Due to the fact that apologised for israeli government policy are beginning to lose the debate. And when they can't win the debate on merit than the move toward shutting down the discussion and this accusation of antisemitism is leveled so frequently at defenders of palestinian human rights precisely to shut down the debate and there is a really it grew substantially during the trump era but it pre existed that as well where there's an effort to expand the definition of antisemitism to include criticism of israel. There's something called the international holocaust remembrance alliance definition of antisemitism right. And i think this is something that not a lot of people know. This is the main tool that is being currently used to stifle advocacy for palestinian human rights because that definition says that to demonize israel or to judge by double standards or whatever can be considered anti semitic and of course. It's all very subjective. Language about who draws the line of what criticism is fair and what isn't but more critically the person who authored that definition said that it was designed to be broad because it was supposed to be used for foreign data collection and they wanted to gather as much data as possible if anything even vaguely related. Let's go out and capture it and the author himself. His name is kenneth. Stern warned that if you were to use it domestically in the way that it was not intended than it will absolutely be an impediment to free speech and it will stifle the ability for people to talk honestly about what's happening in palestine and israel and yet his own definition that he drafted is now being used in ways that he himself disapproves up. And that's why you have massive civil rights organizations like the aclu stepping up here even though they're not active on foreign policy issues they don't care about palestine or israel one way or the other. Yeah there are still weighing in to warn that a lot of these efforts on the question of how to define anti semitism and on the question of whether you know americans can engage in political boycotts against israel saying that when you put restrictions on these things you are undermining people's constitutional rights so many states are passing laws. That say that the government can punish you if you boycott israel which is really insane and outrageous because you have american politicians saying you can boycott american states when they pass laws that are discriminatory. We've seen this happen in multiple states where they pass either an anti lgbt law or they pass a law that is undermining voting rights and people say well. let's boycott that state and that's a thousand percent legitimate. You'd can boycott states. That behaved badly and this idea that you can boycott a foreign government that behaves badly is just insane. There was even a case of a town in texas a few years back where there was a hurricane and people who are applying for hurricane. Relief were told that they have to sign a piece of paper indicating that do not boycott israel in order to receive that relief. That's just not how america is supposed to be at all and thankfully you know a lot of these lawsuits are being one. The aclu is engaging also and this legal process. And we're defeating some of these laws here and there but the fact that this is an ongoing problem really really is incredibly disturbing up. Let's move on to our final segment. Which we call now dima rommel's or the last one before you go so we're going to talk about the elephant in the room here. And i think one of the reasons why a lot of people are feeling very uncomfortable in the united states. It's because this country plays a role in all of this. The us is of course the most important ally of israel it sends three point eight billion dollars military aid every year. That's billion with a b. last week. Senator lindsey graham said on fox and friends that israel is planning to ask the us for an additional one billion dollars in emergency aid this aid. Intern is what is going to allow israel to continue bombing gaza and carrying out other military operations across the country that are basically destroying palestinians. Lives as we have been talking about but we are starting to see a shift across the government here in the united states you have more progressive politicians like the squad representative corey. Bush alexandria ocasio cortez russia to leave have spoken out against the united states military funding of israel and representative to gave a speech on the house floor in mid-may about this. Us aid to israel. And here's what she had to say what we are telling palestinians fighting apartheid is the same thing being told to my black neighbors and americans throughout that are fighting against police brutality. Here there is no form of acceptable resistance to stay balance as long as the message from washington. Is that our military support for. Israel is unconditional. Netanyahu's extremism right wing. Government will continue to expand settlements continued demolished homes and continue to make the prospects for peace impossible three hundred and thirty of my own colleagues and democrats and republicans. Here seventy five percent of the body here signed a letter. Pledging that israel shall never be made to comply with basic human rights laws that other countries that receive. Our military aid must observe. So you know again. This is bringing on a conversation about this country. How what is the basis of the united states and increasing conversation about you know the pilgrims were actually yes. They were settlers a settler nation not an immigrant nation but a settler nation like israel. And we know that this country was formed through the removal of indigenous populations and built on the backs of enslaved african. So omar when you think about the united states and its role as colonial state that affects their position on israel. What do you think is going to happen. In terms of us israel relations you are having more progressive politicians in the us. But how is that going to impact things in terms of this relationship. I mean looking at the policy in general right now. I really think it's fair to say that. It's a stain on our moral conscience as a country that we continue to support apartheid abroad. You know we talk a lot about how much progress we've made here domestically and certainly i don't wanna play that down. It's been very significant. How far we've come from a time when we embrace the genocide against the indigenous and dean slave At this point you know overcoming. Jim crow and everything else. Obviously we still have a progress to make and there's a lot of systemic racism but we're making progress and we're working on it and somehow look at foreign policy and see that we have no reservations at all about supporting a situation in which the injustices this blend really is inexplicable and there is a fundamental contradiction. The fact that the biden administration today you know somewhat expected with donald trump. He you know. Talk the talk and walk. The walk essentially was fully embracing of a racist foreign and domestic policy so that seemed to fit but with biden. He's claiming that he's putting human rights. I and that's going to be the center of american policy. And there's simply no reason why the united states will simply criticize and rhetorically object to israel's behavior while continuing to fund it with billions of dollars every single year and military funding which is precisely what enables these crimes to be committed and in the case of gaza. I mean think about it a little bit more. Just how bizarre and absurd it is is that biden is going to offer some money to help the rebuilding of gaza at a time when he's considering supplying even more weapons and in fact has approved the supplying of more weapons to israel so on. What basis are you. Going to fund oppression and fund the bombs that are dropped on people and then turn around and give aid to the people who are suffering those bombs It just seems to make sense to not participate in the oppression to begin with and we see it also at the united nations where the us has used its veto more than forty times at the united nations to shield israel from accountability which is greater than the number of all vetoes cast by all other permanent members of the un security council combined around all issues for that same period. It's just it's insane. it really is. Wow but as you mentioned certainly. There are signs of hope and progress especially with this latest assault on gaza. We've seen a massive number of celebrities who are speaking out in support of palestinian human rights. And you're seeing now members of congress taking to the house floor to denounce israel's on the palestinian people to demand accountability. So those are promising signs. And i think when you look at opinion. Polls you see that. America's younger population the more diverse population. Absolutely gets what's unfolding and we're seeing this shift happening in slow motion. There were unfortunately not quite where we need to be. Were still far away from shifting actual policy. The overwhelming majority of people in congress. Still do this. Reflexive support israel. No matter what they do. Israel has the right to defend itself. You know they speak like they're on. Autopilot a prerecorded message. they're not really addressing any substance. Just everybody says the same thing over and over. But i think that's beginning to change and i'm actually hopeful about the fact that we are heading in the right direction in this country. Eventually when you see about the growth of the black palestine solidarity you see you see a lot of things happening where america's social consciousness is rising and rising with young people. 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It's All About the Status

Latino Rebels Radio

38:06 min | 3 months ago

It's All About the Status

"Rentals radio of latino rebels radio. Julio gallo ella here. It is tuesday. Tuesday april thirteenth. You know we usually drop on a thursday. But we're dropping on a tuesday because on wednesday. There's going to be a huge congressional hearing about puerto rico status in the natural resources committee which is chaired by arizona democrat congressman travel goody haida and we are actually bringing on two very special guests both latino rebels contributors and i also found out that they're both classmates back in the day in puerto rico and we're gonna have sort of. I'm going to call it a debate. Maybe we'll call it a debate but an intellectual conversation about puerto rico status and where it stands especially with this congressional hearing. That's going to be happening on wednesday but before we bring them on you know. You're listening to latino rebels radio and audio bloom. Stitcher spotify apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcasts. Also on latino rebels dot com. All right so i have guest. They're both classmates. I found out. One of them is in denver. You wanna say who you are short. Thanks so much will. I do live in denver now of a few months but Born and raised in puerto rico. Spend most of my life. They're gone back. And forth between puerto rico and the us a little bit more writer editor to communications work and always looking to bring a fresh perspective to the conversation on unproductive status to talk about options other than than statehood which usually get the most attention in these conversations. Okay you've already set yourself up as to what side you're in another great contributor who i've known for awhile. Do you want to say who you are. Great contributor guest and where you are talking about great contributor woulda been a contributor here and there but thankfully my name is jose cabrera. I'm actually talking with you from puerto rico as you can figure out. I'm i'm on the statehood side of the equation here but yes aben working with the state of movement now for for a while about fifteen years and in between want become an attorney and served in the army and a non working as an employee. It was government. Obviously my views reflected here are not necessarily shared by the us government or in the organizations that represent nice disclosure. it's very important but It's it's a pleasure to be with you here. Yes so just before we start. I've known wholesale since. I was at al jazeera america. I believe we actually did a show on statehood. And that's where i met you. Yes i remember that. And then i read. I've known for several years just on hunter is the first time we're talking. But both of you have written really fantastic pieces for latino rebels. The last couple of years really good opinion analysis. I both consider you. Some of the smarter. Voices in the puerto rico status debate so and now i find out that you were elementary school classmates. Who's who's gonna tell me about that story before. We dive in into this debate. Not right yeah. And i was I was just saying before. We helped on the twenty fifth anniversary of our of our graduation from Lsi in puerto rico. Any any of our other former clockmaker lifting but Yeah yeah we were. We were friends. you know when when to each others birthdays I think jose ended up ruling in college with some of my best friends from high school after. Yeah you're still friends right just this. The status thing hasn't caused any friction or freindly. We haven't been in friendly. I would say we're gonna have a friendly. I don't think we've been in the same ruining like eight years. But what i do remember yes i. I was a room made with one of your classmates from high school so we went to the same elementary school like he said. We went to each other birthdays. Our parents were friends and it was a great time. Then we went to different high schools in puerto rico and Yeah i lost track With the bird after that but thankfully years later. We're here at this conversation. So weird that both of you have given me pieces on different parts of this debate. And then i find out that you grew up together as kids but anyway so that's been established. Let's start with the first question or at least the first assumption where we want to do here is at least begin to have a conversation. That looks at some of the assumptions or at least some consensus. So i'm gonna ask each one of you. This following question are you supporters of the estar. Lido seattle or. Do you think that that is a dead political system. You know i guess what. It's got political arrangement. Do you think that is failed. Puerto rico or what it is now. It's done you think it's dead. I goes i think if russell salas concept it's it's i've always thought of it as a marketing concept. There was a way to give a name to something that was otherwise not as paddle mobile. It's not the same to say. Hey and now we have a constitution. We have a greater level of self government but at the same time. We'll still a territory. It doesn't it doesn't sell as well. It doesn't captured the imagination as well but the reality is it was never a system maybe in the minds of some people but i think in time people found out as it's the same stuff nothing has really changed and the supreme court in twenty sixteen and later on with with romance. I think that pretty much. Give it a mortal blow. And i don't think there's really room for growth or any further development within territorial status so as far as i'm concerned it's that thinks that says it's did i read the what about you. What's your position. This is the fun part of the conversation. Because it's the part where jose on. I get to agree one hundred percent this you know i mean i know. I don't really have much to add to that. I completely agree. That eliza is a colonial status at it never should have existed its way past its expiration date. Go a little further though and say that you know for a long time the one defense that this arrangement had was that the people of puerto rico were still voting for it. We're still supporting it. And so it was this idea of colonialism. By which you know. I think isn't immoral idea. No matter what level of support it it has but now it's lost even that kind of veneer of legitimacy and i think there's you know there's a really interesting conversation to be had that we can apply beyond the of you know. Is people supporting something enough of a good reason to do it to think it's a good thing and you know and i'm sure you can see where we're going with. The coup by agree with each other part of the show is over so here we go right. This hearing is going to happen on wednesday. There's two bills being presented. One is the statehood bill by Done soto and resident commissioner gonzalez. The other one's self self-determination bill by Nydia velazquez and thousand okay. So cortez and there's a lot of things happening. There's a lot of talk about it. So how do we begin to look at this status debate differently at what's being missed. What's you know what i mean. It's like because. I just wanna make sure people understand that bigger issue so i read the wanting you start i while i think lots being missed frankly And i think it's you know in large part because the discourse on these things especially in the united states is so kind of new in a way and in so shallow in some ways. I think it's important to talk. About what the puerto rican people want and with the poorest people have voted for and we can do that. I also think it's important to ask the deeper question of what is good and right and just for puerto rico and that's a question people can disagree about. Asana obviously disagree. But i think it's a question going back to my previous point that goes beyond just this kind of almost obsessive focus on the plebiscite votes. And if you need to percent and what was the turn out in people boycott it and what does it mean you know. These things are important and again and we can talk about them. But i do hope that we will start to talk more about the deeper question of you. Know politically morally. What is the right political. Future for Yeah i mean you. You've given statehood as immoral talking about. I read those point about morally. I mean in your. I know in your position in me interacting with you. You believe that statehood is morally right. Right is that and why. I think statehood is morally right I think independence is also. It can be morally right if you support it. I don't think any of the two options have isis in in them. That disqualified him. I don't want independence for puerto rico. But i've been independent. Countries republic sets the reality of the globe. And i've been able to breathe the same air that we have here in. Puerto rico having died by being an independent republic and i don't think necessarily that puerto rico if it becomes an independent country. It'll go straight to help. Congress would even still have the power to admit any republic puerto rico. The that's been proven with a case of wine texas but the reality is i think it all goes down to how you view of the world i a. Us citizen. i think by being on. Us citizen of expose myself to be shot in the face as a member of the us. Arming i wore the flag of the united states on my arm and I'm a taxpayer. And i think as a us citizen. If i were otherwise. Perhaps i wouldn't think this way but as a us citizen. I wanted to be treated the same to have the same powers the same benefits but also the same responsibilities as my fellow citizens stateside. And i don't want the solution to be simply just to pack my bags and go elsewhere. I was not warning. Puerto rican but i was raised here right. This is where my mother is buried. This is where i got married. This is where i currently live. This is my home so it's not simply a matter of like just pick up your bags and go to a state and be happy. No this is my home. So i'm going to fight for it right and if it becomes an independent country eventually i mean it's not a. It's not a settled matter contrary to a lot of statehood irs. I don't think it's a settled matter. This could go either waiting for but reality is. That's what i want for my kids and it's a matter of making sure that my us citizenship. Mike i was born with it so at any other member of of this policy is just a matter of making sure that i have equality in terms of those rights. Also those responsibilities rental Your classmate makes a pretty good argument. It's refreshing to hear like a pro statehood act rickett like jose say could go either way. I mean because you do hear a lot of. I think institutional voices that would tell you that you know statehoods a slam dunk. And let's do this. What are your thoughts. I mean because you know you guys are friends. You know your classmates from back in the day. So gimme the other side of all this or well. There's a lot barron. i mean. First of all. I should say i really appreciate also saying that. He doesn't think. Puerto rico would fall into the sea if it were to become an independent country. The fact that he has to say that. I think tells us a lot about that. That is what a lot of people on his side of the argument. Believe and i appreciate that. He's not one of them. I also agree but it's a travesty that you know. Jose could be a sent to war by commander in chief and can't vote for. I just think there's two solutions to that problem. Either he can vote for the commander in chief or the president of the united states doesn't have to be his commander in chief. So you know those. That's a great argument against the status quo. And i appreciate y you know he'll say would have a preference for for one of those two solutions but there is another another potential solution to it and you know the tricky thing about the argument with puerto rico status to this point about. Us citizenship is that puerto ricans are hasn't in many things We are two things you know. Yes we are. American citizens but we are also puerto ricans nation with a distinct identity. I think most people would deny that and a lot of it comes down to kind of which side of the equation. You you give more weight to say. Is that at least from my perspective. The part of being a a puerto rican national a distinct people is far more more natural. You know we are. Us citizens i- imposition. Basically you know. So if i can use the analogy. It's a little bit. As if i showed up jose's house tomorrow and with guns by the way and said okay. You guys aren't the at us anymore. You're you're the medina's your mind. People now and a few decades later generations later. Yeah you know. Maybe is kids his grandkids. Some of them would say yeah. You know where the medina's like why don't we have the rights that all the medina have But you know that they started out as company at us. We we started out. As puerto. ricans. We we continue to be puerto ricans despite many things and i think many americans americans in the us that is you know the point of this is. I'm not sure that a sort of randomly selected person from tennessee would recognize a randomly selected person from gudauta where jose has now asked his compatriots. So so let's the other tricky part about this you know. Identity goes both ways and While i think many ricans some like to view themselves as americans. I'm not sure that that's always reciprocated from the other side. And i think that's a big part of the issue as well. Yeah i mean. I think that's one of the things that what i do. Respect it view is sort of the statehood advocate. Who looks at this. A little bit more realistically talked to me about that. As a sort of 'cause we've talked about it in sort of how you have to change perceptions even though you might have polling that says while most americans favor puerto rico to become a state or when they hear oh you know they have to have the same rights that we do. But nothing's really moved right. Talk to me about like does that. Narrative have to change as well. I mean what are your thoughts. Well a lot of things would have to change and the first thing. Winning a mandate import. The rico is one thing right but the next step in order to to make that a reality is that you have to create a national conversation about the subject matter and you have to compel people to take a stand on on the matter. I'm not talking. Just folks in congress were. It's like i've already tower and yes members of congress would have to take a decision on puerto rico statehood. But you have to amplify the message. That's what we've been trying to do with a group of colleagues and i you have to send a message out to different parts of the country and you have to get just plain old regular americans from all walks of life and give him information and given the opportunity to make a choice. Do you want to contact your representative is something you You wanna get involved in. Because you think it's wrong and some of them will break on the statehood side there there. Hey i want to keep it as it is or i rather you be an independent country. That's fine people have a have a voice. The residents of puerto rico. That wants that voter. Made a choice but the reality is at stateside americans. They have a right to be represented by elected. Members of congress are going to decide on the on the matter so they do have a voice on the issue but it's important that they also get information from us. i think from both sides or about what. The implications are for our livelihood import. Rico the decision that they make in washington. It's not something that's being done. Thousands and thousands of miles away. It's only thousand for miami and it's involving over three million citizens so yeah the do you have much faith in fellow americans and what will say saying it's like you know if he changed out of maybe they'll get it. I mean but what are your thoughts you know. We found another point of agreement. Because i do think. Americans have a responsibility to to get involved in this conversation and to take a position on unless endlessly frustrated. By idea of no. This is up to you guys to decide. You know we have to stay out of it. I think that just ends up perpetuating the status quo and by the way a lot of in the these does really disagree with me on this and but i think there's right but do i have a lot of faith that You know that going to be effective not on the statehood site. Frankly and i think that's. That's a big part of you. Know the issue with the political feasibility of statehood. You know. I don't know what the natural kind of political constituency is for for statehood in the united states. It's certainly not conservatives for the most part and i deeply respect that. Jose writes in conservative publications and is trying to make this point to conservatives. Because that's that's a tough audience. You know when you have mitch mcconnell saying this is all a socialist plots again more democrats in congress you know. I don't know that it has a ton of interest from moderates. They've got their fights over healthcare over education. This issues at the bottom of the barrel for them and it's too easy for to remain that way when politicians can give them things that they want on issues that are closer to home. And then i think some of what we're seeing with the self actors that among liberals among progressives there is a an understandable reluctance which i share to think that a that the right kind of d- colonial alternative for the to have a join the country that invaded it. One hundred and twenty years ago. So i i really struggled to see kind of where the political will is going to come from in the in the united states for for statehood. Yeah so then. I guess the question i have because of that and also you does it because i feel like. There's a lot more in common if everyone's already established that allies dead right that whatever happened from nineteen fifty two onto. Now we're talking. What seventy sixty nine years. Now right next the seventieth anniversary of ayla right if i got my math correctly. So how do you move this. Because i feel like you know. I'm fifty one i'm gen-x and i'm a little bit older than the two of you and i was having these same conversations with friends in the nineties when you guys were probably like elementary school. So what do you start first. And then we'll go to jose. And then i have a couple of specific questions about the hearing and other things. But what do you do. What do you do to push this. How does this change. Well i think one of the ways you move this and this is something that the independence party and pro-independence people in puerto rico set for a long time. This is a bilateral conversation. Or it has to be between the us and puerto rico and so far. We have not compelled the us to speak clearly about what it wants. What it doesn't want you know what it is willing to do. What is not willing to do so we have a bunch of politicians who pander every four years say. They support statehood to get votes in florida down. And then when it's actually on the table they they pull back and you see that with rick. Scott which chuck schumer list descend list. So what i think is really you know potentially very encouraging the puerto self-determination as we start thinking about the hearings on wednesday is that it includes a congressional commission that will advise will negotiate in a way with status assembly in puerto rico to fill that gap of the united states having to be an active partner in this conversation because it does. I agree with jose. It doesn't need to be a national conversation or a you know a bi-national conversation between americans and and puerto rican. So i think that's a big first step. And and as i was saying you know really pushing this idea of it. Americans should take stand on this. They should educate themselves. They should listen. But it's not enough to say that's their problem. They should figure it out because frankly if they really feel that way if they feel like it's not their place. Then what does that say about what. Puerto ricans are to americans. They are admitting implicitly that we're a separate people because if we were the people we were just their fellow americans than. What's the problem with us. Having this conversation together about our shared politics as said put it. So you know. I would say those are the two big things that kind of people level and at the government level. We need to really expand this conversation. Say what about you. What about did same question that i had for for. Well the first thing is you have to recognize that. This is a system. It's built on paralysis. When the united states acquired rico contrary to other dependencies riley philippines cuba. But don't you go was not placed on the path to independence outright was not put on statehood either based on the wishes of a judicially active supreme court that had racist rather racist by asus so the system is built in a way in which you have. Puerto rico slated for for statehood. It's not slater for independence. And then you complicate the matter by giving its residents citizenship and after that you give him a measure of self governance starting in one thousand nine hundred and in nineteen seventeen and nineteen fifty two rain and you have a system in which you have to decide in congress. What's going to happen. But congress does not take action the list puerto ricans decide for the regan's decide and then that's not a viable decision. So we have to decide again and we have to name bilateral commission. You know where this is going. I do the system is built. I'm not talking. This is early that somebody in harvard law in eighteen ninety nine when they spoke about two referral inc they made our device was going to last a were under twenty years. I don't think it was that type of macintoshes. Just it's just happened. It just developed that way but the reality is we have to understand that this is built in a way that we could land ninety nine percent in support of statehood. And it's not going to be a done deal. It's still going to be a hassle now. We have to be real with ourselves all right so i'm not expecting much from the the the area on the ford. Yeah i think the reality is that both bills are being counseled mutually cancelling each other. Why i'm not going to tell you hear that we should just accept the fact that done the is bill has greater support and just imply and stay. Hey the mandates that the people of puerto rico have giving out in the last eight years amount to nothing if democracy is still going to have some sort of value. I think it's important to consider and to start. With what our local preferences from puerto rican voters and move on from that. I think it's important for congress to i. Listen to voters like myself will actually went to the polls on voter on the matter and made a choice in favour of state gives us an opportunity to give us a bill just like the current admissions bill provides gives us an opportunity to on a formal emission offer. People may just reject. It may be the case if that's the case fate than than we have heard but i think you're right. I think if there's one argument to be made about that that you know if that happened it's binding and you put everything on the mesa and you're like okay. This is it. This is the real shit right. And i think you get more of an honest response. If you know that there's a there's an actual consequence. Right i mean. Is that what you're saying yes. I mean normally Multiple states have have voted. They have had non-binding boats and let's say stated wins in some cases state of the game and win on congress no went ahead and provided a a an offer but in puerto rico's case just like why alaska if you have a non-binding boden statehood wins the. Us government provides a formal offer. And then we go and vote and in the case of alaska and hawaii and the other jurisdictions was well. Seventeen states actually voted on this. Usually the statehood support jumped by twenty percent and participation increases. Well and I mean that'd be fine in the case of puerto rico. It may be that once people actually get on offer for statehood than there will be more questions and it could be that maybe people will support no and keeping it as a terry three or four longer l. or maybe then enter take conversation about something else but the reality is you just can't let me. In my opinion it's immoral. It's on the ethical. Its own american to begin with that. You have american. Voters have voted thrice for this for the last eight years. And then you just go ahead and imply at what they decided on is a legitimate or that. It's like it didn't happen right. Yep to base your cell phone that and initiate the conversation i know you wanna jump in rafter. What he said so go. Yeah about the plebiscite specifically. I don't go as far as some other people in in dismissing as completely worthless or or a legitimate. But i do think it is deeply flawed. I mean when you're trying to figure out people's real legitimate preferences between different options you don't give them a yes. No binary question on only one option. I mean that primes them perhaps to answer in a certain way. Imagine for a moment if the twenty twenty presidential election had been do you want donald trump to be president. Yes or no. I think people would have decried that as incredibly undemocratic and what polling show is a little polling that we have on. This is that you know when you put it up against the other. Option support for statehood is closer to something like forty five percent which not coincidentally as what it got in previous plebiscites in nineteen ninety three and nineteen ninety eight. So you know. That's that's one thing and more than that. And i appreciate that that will say says that you know this is not the be all end. All the results of one vote aren't going to end this argument. Because that's something that we've seen in the past to statehood has lost more plebiscites than it has gotten and going back to my original point of the status quo. One plenty of votes In in puerto rico with with a far higher percentage unstated got in two twenty twenty bright statehood movement. Didn't pack it in and go home. And i doubt they would have. By the way of the the twenty twenty result had been reverse which is pretty easy to imagine because it was really a fifty to forty eight. You hold the election the next week you might get a totally totally different result so it does have to be a broader conversation than just what people voted for in. I agree with you. I mean i you know who knows what could you had was going to do. I mean he doesn't wanna talk to anyone before the hearing and i've tried but suppose he's gonna talk to me next week so let's hope but i do think the role of the diaspora which has sort of been misunderstood and misrepresented. I think in a lot of this debate. I think there's an opportunity by talking about puerto. Rico whatever your status option is an understanding that the most potential for having involved constituents of representatives in congress your biggest bet if you whatever your position is puerto ricans living in the diaspora and there is there has been a history of at least from the statehood movement. Kind of missing that. How do you. i mean. I'm not trying to over generalize here but how does that begin because it's kind of ironic right. I think the asper kind of holds a lot more of the power than we want to admit. And it's kinda you don't wanna see that on the island because then it just kinda it kinda kill the narrative of the institutional colonial parties so when we start facing that reality say the problem that the statehood movement has had is that the strategy has always been to win the statehood. Vote here in the island and get on a plane lobby congress and hope that everybody in congress is going to agree to make puerto rico state based on our vote. That's not going to work. That's now how politics works. There's folks in washington there's folks in other locations. There's people here in puerto rico that don't one hundred to become a state for for whatever reason they may be and you have to cam this. The united states you have to create centers of support for the idea of statehood and opposition for people that are against statehood in order to get representatives in congress. Whether it's in the us senate or the us house to vote for the matter you will not convert into a state by just went in a plebiscite and knocking on congress and telling them. Hey you have to act on this. Dave put off the matter for many many years. If a strategy does not change it will put it off for another hundred. Years is just like going back to what i was speaking about. The system is made in a way for an action. It's yeah it's paralysis are ala's by analysis paralysis agreeable stop now so if you want to have traction in congress i always say you have to win statehood in the states. You have to take puerto rico statehood into the states like dc has done you have to go to different parts of the country you have to write. You have to get congress members you have to get a state assembly members and you have to have local voices whether they're puerto rican or not just to apply on the matter and that's how you start creating enough pressure so that people that are on the fence will actually say i. I'm going to take a position on statehood and support this or not supported but not that they just remain say. Hey you have to decide well. In my honest view we decided. Now it's a matter of taking action on that but the statehood movement has to be realistic about it. You just don't win in puerto rico and magically all of the planets are going to accept the you have to push the planets in sequence and you have to do that on a national campaign. I read on the flip side. You know traditionally the diaspora in the united states. Puerto rican diaspora has kind of leans more to the independence status or the lives. That is close status right. And i think that is also sort of been problematic because it's like shut down those like you know what i'm saying right. It's too easy to aspirin in your for your position you know. How does it play a role. Because i think that is you know unfortunately no matter what you think about going. That's why i get in trouble. When i say this you kind of want to go to the puerto ricans who have the voting power to exert the influence and the perfect example. Is the self bill which you know. There's a lot of impressive progressive organizations behind that so on the flipside. How does that house the data for changing in your position or juicy. The needs to change you know like oh say i think everybody needs to get involved. I think the certainly now that i'm part of it especially Certainly needs to play a role. I'm a little less optimistic about at least in the in the short term i saw some really interesting polling on this before the the twenty twenty election or leave may have been a latino decisions poll of of puerto ricans. And if. I'm not mistaken at found that puerto rico status was the top election issue for only eight percent of of puerto ricans It's not a big number. It's kinda slow. Yeah right. And i don't know how you change that because you know it gets into the question of of what does it mean be a diaspora you know once you live in the. Us like destino care as much about this issue or do you care about your kids schools and the job opportunities in your town and whether you're getting healthcare or not so you know. This is something. I think all of us have to have to work on a kind of increase. The sense of the things you care about in the us end in puerto rico are affected by the colonial status. And you do have a role to play because as you say who you you know. You're the one who have the ability to elect. The representatives are gonna make this decision. But when i look at polling i think we are pretty far away from the point in which you know the diaspora in in the. Us is going to is ready to step up and play a leading role. But you know we. We should work on it because everybody needs to to play a role. We'll listen. I can continue to talk to both of you forever but you know it's been great. We'll bring you back on. I mean because. I don't think this is going away so i don't really say. Thank you for being on latino rebels radio. Thanks for having us thank you. Don't think too. That was a smart conversation about the rico you see there's nuance complexity. And i hope this english version if you're listening to it and if you're not puerto rican or if you're like white progressive who thinks they understand the rico. Just listen to this conversation. Because i'm sure you learned something that you probably didn't hear from any other conversation about three on the last couple months. And if you like what you heard rate and review us tweet at me. Julio seventy seven tweeted latino rebels go to latino rebels dot com and we want to hear from you if you have any comments and yeah we'll be back. There's also a spanish version of this conversation. We actually didn't translate talked about the same topic in spanish so getting hit by new. It's also on our feed and yam. We'll be covering the hearing by getting hired and as you know we'll try to live tweet it and do all the good things that we do on my feet and on latino rebels and you know we've been covering puerto rico forever and we're not going to go away so like we always do. We always clues outwitting upland minnesota's julia gala latinos rebels radio. The out of here oh and.

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136  Documentary Filmmaking During a Pandemic

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136 Documentary Filmmaking During a Pandemic

"Microphone check one, two, three cities, city siblings, siblings, levels, check good sounds good one, two, three, rolling and. Article Doesn't specifically say Joan do it just. This is an ethical decision, and if you make it easier to the things that you should consider to be honest, we received actually a lot of attitude because. We're feeling crusher to go out there but in their gut feeling like it wasn't safe yet that they felt like this them some at least information and guidance where they push back a little bit. Really looking at everything much more strategically because I am asking to be exposed. I take that seriously if seen, it's probably not likely going to make it. We're not real Megan. Hello and welcome to the documentary life show that sets out to inspire and inform you on a best live and lead your own documentary life I'm your host Chris G Parkhurst, and this is episode number one, hundred, thirty, six it is brought to you by Barong Films Proud Gleaners Guk matry film in the Documentary Life Podcast? So about two months ago I began working again this after nine weeks of zero work during the Kovic shutdown. So has been the state of things in the film and Television Industry here in the US as well as I'm sure in many other parts of the world. And continues to be as productions very slowly begin to happen again albeit in an entirely new and different cove world were so much is different. Now on film productions, crews are half size P P protocols in place distancing is happening on sets tests are being given prior to and after some productions. In fact, the last job I was on I. was shooting an interview for an upcoming episode PBS's American Masters Series the. Production companies based out of New York but hired the small crew here in Portland Oregon where the interest subject was based they didn't want to travel out here amidst this pandemic thing and instead had adopted a pretty straightforward way of conducting the interview via zoom while my small crew. Made it happen here in Portland, it was a little bit of a surreal experience although one that has already become pretty commonplace in the industry. Two months ago I also began work on a new documentary project. At the moment the crew size only totals to depending on what's being filmed. We might bring sound person in for a day, but it's generally just my partner and I making the film. Now, as one might imagine, there are some luxuries not afforded most of US independent documentary film-makers. We don't have the budgets or resources that would allow us some of the precautions that have budgeted commercial might have. But. It doesn't mean that we can't be doing everything possible to protect ourselves and our crew, and I'm about to list out some of those things that can help you as you make your way out into this new world and either continue work on your documentaries or begin work on a new project. But before I do this, I really want to stress that I am in no way telling you that it is safe to be out there filming. Because the truth is it is not safe. We cannot fully safeguard our crews are subjects. Our families make no mistake about it. If you are out there or indoors working with people, you are putting yourself and others at risk there's just no way around that. In fact, just three months ago one of the industry's most recognized institutions idea issued a statement basically stating that they could not in good conscience encouraged documentary filmmakers to be out filming during a pandemic, and we'll talk with Carrie Lozano who wrote that statement as part of our upcoming discussion on the ethics of filming during a pandemic coming up after this segment. So please if you are uncomfortable in any way with filming during this time I support you we all do. It is a decision that we all are having to make for ourselves right now, and I know people that I've worked with for years who have chosen to not work at all. And because the reality is that while many are choosing not to film right now conversely, a number of us are and like I said that does include myself. So, I'd like to share some of the things that have both worked and not worked for me during this time. Perhaps. They'll be able to help you as well. So you probably won't be surprised to hear that from day one, I've been wearing a mask gloves and bringing hand sanitizer to shoots. This is probably a no brainer at this point, but it is something that we can all be doing. Then really this is like the bare minimum isn't it. You wouldn't be allowed anywhere near a commercial set without these. Why would documentary be any different right? I've also been bringing heavy duty disinfectant wipes, and if you can bring a few of each of these things for one, you can pass them out to anyone who needs them although let's hope anyone working with you a sensible enough to show up with these things themselves, and secondly something like masks and gloves can and do rip. So it's good to have backups. It's also a good idea to bring your own water bottle snacks and maybe even meals that way you can ensure that no one outside of yourself is handling any of your food or drink and speaking of handling at the moment I am not letting anyone else touch my gear. This includes camera lenses lighting gear. The only one to touch my gear is me and secretly I wished that it always been this way. Now sound is a little bit different because unless you have a sound person onset, you are most likely going to have to figure out the best safest way to achieve that sound, and if say you're loving subject someone, yourself is most likely going to be handling that love, Mike. What we've been doing on our new project is having the chief subject place, the lapel mic on themselves. So we're instructing the love placement from a safe distance from the subject and so far that's worked pretty well additionally, if it makes sense, you can simply leave the Lav with your subject for however many shoots that you plan on doing and simply have them bring it to and from shoots. Of course, a number of US might not have that kind of luxury. We might have another shoot coming up in this case, make sure to handle the law with gloves and wipe it down with the aforementioned disinfectant wipes, and maybe even leave the lob outside of any protective gear for a few days or even a week or two that's at all possible if you won't be needing it before then. I even do this with the boom mic that is attached to my camera, not only that, but I am fully wiping down my camera and every part of every piece of gear that is being used that day preferably I'm doing this while I'm on set that way I'm not packing it into any gear bags before disinfecting anything at the very least I am cleaning all of my. Gear when I get home and this is happening out on the front porch before I go inside I am cleaning everything, and then once I get into the front door I, take off all of my clothes and head straight to the shower. No hugs and kisses for the kids when daddy gets back home, just straight to the bathroom for a full on disinfectant session if you will. Now, another thing that you can do to ensure best opportunity for safety is to shoot outside whenever possible the circulation of air as we have come to learn is a really good thing especially right now in the summertime in the heat and sunshine, and when you're indoors make sure to maintain distance and if possible have windows open, one of the first commercial shoots that I was on in hindsight we were not exactly. Operating in the safest environment for two interviews we were in a very small space. We were in a very small room and including the interviewee. There were a total of five people in this tiny room and the person conducting the interview did so without a mask kind of in solidarity with the subjects who had chosen not to wear masks, and for some purposes, all windows were shut and air ventilation was turned off. Yeah. Now, I mean now looking back that sounds like Bob Potential nightmare scenario, right? probably not the best informed way to be conducting the interview and certainly with what we know now like I said, we could have done some things differently. And that's the thing isn't it? We don't really know the absolute surest way to do any of this. The information that we're receiving has been changing since day one remember it wasn't that long ago that people in the US weren't even wearing masks a wait. There are still people not wearing masks here and governors refusing to make mass querying public a mandatory thing. Anyhow my point is that we all need to continue to do our due diligence in discovering best practices for making documentary films while we're out there making them in this time of covid. Now what about you doc lifer? How were you feeling these days about being out there working on your docs are you out there working on your documentary project if so what are some safety protocol that you are employing or are you perhaps staying away from it all and seeing how this is all going to shake out? You know before getting back out into the world and shooting on your project, I'd love to hear your thoughts. On this whole thing and a great way that you can do this is to join me over to the D. Word where I currently host one of their topic forums, the documentary life podcast for them. It's a great way to continue on with conversations that we've only just begun here on the program. So get your voice heard and pick up some tips and suggestions from other dock filmmakers by heading over to D. Hyphen word dot. com. As we continue with today's episode, we're going to explore even further protocols for filming documentaries nowadays, as well as looking into the ethics of shooting documentary films during pandemic. My conversations with both journalist Documentary Filmmaker Carrie. Lozano. An Academy Award nominated documentary director Heidi Ewing coming up next here on the documentary life. So you've got a great idea for a documentary film. Awesome. I'd love to hear about it but I don't have a ton of time. Can you tell me about it in thirty seconds or less? Oh, you don't quit every pitch down yet. Okay. That's fine. What you website where I can find more information maybe a press kit I can take a look at you don't have one. Well, have you thought about how you? Might raise some funds to help with the cost of making films. They can be expensive, right? You haven't. Okay. Maybe just tell me about your audience who's going to want to see your film who will you be marketing it to you don't know this either. Okay. Then I'm going to sue you haven't thought about how you'll be getting your film out into the world. Then right I think I see what's going on here I. was once in your shoes a great idea for a doc cameron one hand a boom mic in the other but other than that not much other than a whole lot of excitement and gumption, and that's great. You'll need all of that but you also need a heck of a lot more if you're looking to make the kind of documentary film that you can be proud of the kind of people will want to see. And will impact them the kind that won't break the bank while you're making it dare I say you might even make money from you need support and we've got you covered we built the Documentary Academy with you in mind we've got all the resources you need to make a successful documentary film. You can be proud of coming enroll at the documentary life dot Com Slash Academy, and let's turn that doc idea into a reality. Carrie Lozano is award winning documentary filmmaker and journalist. Previously. Miss Lasana was an editorial consultant for filmmakers and media organizations and led the bay area video coalitions national media maker Fellowship. She was also executive producer for. At Al Jazeera America. She is a graduate of UC Berkeley Graduate School of Journalism where she was also a postgraduate fellow at the investigative reporting program. Currently she is a lecturer at the Graduate School of Journalism and overseer at the investigative reporting program. She is also the director of the International Documentary Association's New Enterprise Documentary Fund. First and foremost carry welcome to the documentary life. I'm very excited to be having this conversation with you. Thank you. Thanks for having me. Chris. Absolutely. What's very appealing about this conversation for me and I think for our listeners is that you come from a background which embraces both journalism as well as documentary filmmaking. Can you tell us a little bit about that background and out really how you came to? Where you are now today kind of still working in both in both areas fully ray. Thank you so much for a long time. I just thought that I wasn't quite sure what I wanted to do. But in the last I would say five or six years those worlds have merged in a really interesting way and so initially, I started off in independent documentary film with my first film, the weather underground. Great Film by the way. Thank you and you know and I love independent filmmaking I. Love are still making its. Storytelling is kind of at the heart of everything we do but I I did attend the Graduate School of Journalism and kind of became an accidental investigative reporter wasn't necessarily something I. I intended to do it just the type of storytelling that appeals to me in a lot of ways and so I've spent the last you know seventeen years straddling both of those world men in the last five or six, really able to bring in journalistic practice and creative documentary storytelling, and we're on those things simultaneously. Excellent. So a big part of our conversation, which of course we'll get into right now is is really around this idea of shooting documentary films during this time during pandemic a few months ago I think it was the end of April, you you were you penned an article really a statement from idea called the ethics of documentary production in pandemic, how and why were you first approach to write that article? So as you know I run the enterprise. Documentary Fund there and for you know for weeks, filmmakers were coming to an asking for specific guidance kettering shoot. How can I do it safely? What are the guidelines? When will you publish them and internally we were really grappling with that question simultaneously I was at the Graduate School of Journalism we were working on a reporting project, the New York Times and other publications and hearing from public health officials who really did not have to be totally honest that great of guidance. It was conflicting guidance and we were sending students out here and there. But you know when you go out for newsgathering purposes, it's very brief sometimes, it's just minutes literally and you can control how you interface with people with documentary filmmaking is we know it's a totally different ballgame even an interview at best is an hour two hours three hours eight, two lengthy interaction. So at idea, we really felt like there was no such guidance that we couldn't be sure. That this, this illness was so unknown at we did not feel comfortable issuing specific guidance, and then in the newsroom with that becomes as an ethical discussion. If you don't know how do you make a decision and we were also hearing from filmmakers who said, well, I showed him a bowl a crisis or I've been to Iraq, and from my perspective, it was coming from Al Jazeera and running teams there. It was like these are this is not the same thing and we. Really, clear that there are distinctions between the hostile environment reporting that we've done in the past and this particular virus and the end that has worn out to be true and it continues to be true. Let's further examine that because I think that's that's a an important distinction that that that should be made in that is that is made in this particular article you make a clear distinction between journalists and documentary film-makers talk to us about some of these some of this distinction what are some of the major differences you see between these two entities I mean the big one is you'll know is that most journalists who are doing this type of reporting work for large organizations or work for some organization? Or? As they have health insurance The organizations have other types of insurance. They might have special equipment and activist knits. So that's the first thing is that we know that our filmmakers are mostly freelancers. They're mostly individual hitters and that the risk that they're taking their personal risks beyond their health, their actual financial risks and so that that is always seen starting point when I think about the difference between a newsroom and freelance independent filmmakers is at least infrastructure So there's that each Derek as we mentioned, there's the kind of the nature of the material gathering, which in news news world is very brief versus. Making, but I'll just immersive. But I was talking to my colleagues in other newsrooms at Mother Jones at Propublica at frontline, and you know where they could key people in place they did and there were plenty of newsrooms who probably to this day have not sent reporters out or have done. So under Mary Harry Limited basis. So that's kind of a signal to me that if they're not doing it maybe we need to really think about whether we should be as filmmakers. Yeah I mean it it's interesting. I come from journalism background initially and as a documentary filmmaker. I just I just have always felt like I've always seen myself as a journalist. I feel like more and more there. There is becoming a distinction between what is a journalist? What is a documentary filmmaker and it's a fascinating conversation for me because again I feel like so much of what I do my doc filmmaking while not Super Hardcore investigative, some of the earlier stuff. Was I. Just I guess I had. Maybe I. Just had such a broad idea of what journalism and documentary filmmaking was about, which is like go out, gather information, gather facts, Elva the biggest differences like we said Immersing Yourself as a doc filmmaker and I. Just I, just really kind of lump them together and I'm seeing that maybe we shouldn't be doing that. Well I mean we certainly think there's overlap and you know I teach. At the graduate school. Journalism Rate are, funds that. Are specifically about helping independent filmmakers with their journalistic practice. But I think it's filmmakers who were the debate lies right and we've been having this debate. I would say for the better part of a decade there plenty of Joe Makers even that we work with who will say I am not journalists who just don't themselves that way and don't have any journalism background. So you know I might look at them and say Yeah I kinda think you are and they might say, no, I just don't think of him I'm an artist I'm a storyteller activism advocate. So to me those distinctions in some ways are. Are More theoretical and what I'm interested in is argue protected you know can we help you with your newsgathering and can we your safety in any way? Do you have access to legal counsel and can we give you the tools that journalists us all the time I'm sure you're not surprised to hear that there are a number and I'm sure you're talking with these people that there are a number of documentary filmmakers who take who took exception to this article right or take exception to anyone telling them what the ethics of their filming during a pandemic is and in fact they're seeing this may be as. As a pretty crucial time to be out and putting a lens to what may be the biggest story of most of our lives. What are you saying that documentary filmmaker who says look? Why are you dictating what the ethics are and how are you telling me that I should or shouldn't be out here telling that story because I'm sure you're having these conversations for the past couple of months at least yeah. We're having a lot of the conversations. We didn't receive a lot of pushback to the article because article doesn't specifically say don't do it just as this ethical decision, and if you make these are the things that you should consider. We have come some way from where we were a few months ago I. Think we know that if you're outdoors and your mask and you're protected maybe it's a safer place to shoot. If you keep it brief, I know that there are some filmmakers I've heard who are in quarantine with their documentary subjects, and that's that's a whole other discussion. There are plenty of. The for sending out very limited cruise or who are sending packages to their subjects to solves or reading them. So you know I think we never said, don't do it just is the considerations and there have certainly been a lot of other a note doc society and Sundance put out a whole other document about considerations we've been looking at the Nino, sags guidelines for Filming, right and and the safety and security there. So to be honest we didn't. We received actually a lot of attitude because filming. Pressure to go out there but in their gut feeling like it wasn't safe and. That they felt like this, this gave them SOM- some at least information and guidance where they respect a little bit and there are plenty of DP who are just not who are not filming it all and refusing. Oh Yeah. Oh. Yeah. Some people as well. the article was released I believe April twenty seventh a couple of months ago at this point just over a couple of months ago has ideas or your position has it changed at all since that time has evolved or do you feel the same way or do you feel strongly then is is maybe you do now and anticipated evolving as we learn more about the pandemic a couple of things happen I mean we had a major uprising for racial. Lives and I think that changed a conversation which was. The Calculus of like do you have to be out there who should be out there? This is a historic moment and there are moments in this is journalistic point of view where the story outweighs the risks and not one of those moments. That's how leaper right that is here's the bell. So there was that and I think we made in lots of public discussions and debates. We made some concessions about that that that's re warranted telling The other thing that we did was we joined up with witness which is a human rights organization course without resources, tons of resources we don't feel like we have to duplicate with the field to stealing. So, there are lots credible journalistic resources reports coming out of the documentary field coming out of the fiction space, and so we have collated those said, okay. If you're going to go out there, this is the best of what we now You know I do feel that the the illness is out there. We had a horrific federal response it's out of control and that we do I still stand by the article, which is going to have an ethical responsibility to protect the public if not ourselves and our subjects and our families, the public at large and to get a handle on this thing so that we don't overrun our hospitals and medical workers. CARRY WHAT HAVE WE MISSED? If anything that you feel like you would want documentary filmmakers to know I, mean I think one of the things that the drum that I keep beating and one of the differences with journalism newsrooms is that if something happens out in the field and eventually it will fail we don't know what the liabilities are. We don't. It's not clear how insurance policies are going to operate in this environment and they're saying that they don't add. Early Now and most filmmakers don't have the resources to adequately respond to a situation. It's getting everybody tested that includes quarantining. Everybody's separately perhaps getting walked her medical care perhaps long-term disability in. Sir. I just want to really be clear that there are a lot of things. We don't know those things will happen I'm certain of it but we don't know what the financial and real repercussions of that will be on our field and on us as individuals carry what a what a pleasure to have this conversation with you We'll go ahead and post a link to to your article. The ethics documentary production in a pandemic will go ahead and. Linked to that in our show notes Kerry. Thank you so much for having this conversation. It's obviously a very important one to be having. Yeah. Thank you so much for coming onto the documentary live Kerry. Thank you for having me Chris. And speaking today with the CO owner of New York's low key films Heidi Ewing she is the CO director of Jesus camp which was an Oscar nominee the boys of Baraka an Emmy nominee twelve in Delaware, a peabody winner and Detro- via both a sundance and emmy winner Heidi Ewing welcome to the documentary podcast. Very excited heavy join us today. Thank you for having me so Heidi. Our main topic that we want to discuss today is about this idea of shooting during pandemic it's an important conversation to be having for documentary filmmakers and that's why we have you on today I understand you have been shooting during this time is that correct? School back a few months ago Heidi people had been reaching out in particular to idea looking for some guidance about shooting during this time of covid they felt that there is a need to issue something they being idea and of course, Carrie Lozano wrote the known article at this point basically describing which she felt were the ethics of shooting during a pandemic. In the article, there's a clear distinction made between journalists and documentary film-makers. The idea presented by carry that journalists are going. Out For very brief coverings, new stories generally in controlled somewhat controlled environments, doc filmmakers, and the on the other hand are about immersion as we know, spending time with endure subjects oftentimes in quite uncontrollable settings, journalists work for corporations they have. So salaries health insurance, special protective equipment. We dot filmmakers are often freelancers, sole proprietors, and the risk that we're taking is a bit more personal risks health and Financial Heidi. Do you see first of all? Is there a difference in your mind between? Filmmaker and journalist very, very fine line I mean I really don't think there's as big of a difference as you just laid out there. We do it. What would you know official journalists? Do I mean you know It's a very similar profession a lot. A lot of ways I think that journalism is is considered essential service and. So I. Think I believe what we do is documentary makers is also essential I think we is. Is Burden that's laid upon us in some ways to burnaby except you know mostly joyfully dot meant history and document wrongdoing and to open the eyes of people in good moments and bad moments and I think it's totally personal decision whether or not a filmmaker wants to take that risk of leaving their home to film and I don't judge anyone for not doing it and in choosing to sort of sit this one out I happen to making a film with Rachel, Grady for HBO Right now on endangered journalists around the world. On. That we began long before Kobe. All of our characters in Mexico? Brazil. In the United, states are now. Mostly turned onto percent towards Kobe are covering it. They are been asked by the news organizations to leave their homes and to cover the virus. Asking centers at also emergence of the black glass matter protests that converge with Kobe did. So. They're covering the news of the day and they are chancing and they are subjects and We are chanting it as well to follow them doing their job and I think it's important that. See what journalists actually do. It put themselves on the line of fire and for me as a filmmaker covering these people to stick on and say I'm not all of what they're doing anymore. You know we chose which can itchy continue. Now we didn't film. you know in March. April. In the United States. So we did you know we we sort of when it was at its peak. We didn't send anybody out on including ourselves and we won't send anybody out in the United States year if if we're not. Mostly with with that Rachel Myself. My producer so We didn't. We didn't like them all through the worst of it. You know to say the least. Art Directors in the United States are in Florida So. That that's where we're filming and so of course In the middle of it right now and they're covering it. So you know listen we take every precaution I provide NIP key we have testing before and after shoots we have a protocol of temperature taking Anna tising characters put on their own microphones Sanitize we tell you just in Saudi Jewett we fill most long lens using We already favor the seventy two hundred make voyeuristic films. We shoot through windows, two strains behind you know trees we have a very sort of observations heuristic style anyway. OP. So we are mostly to distance our subjects at a great distance again, like I said the you know we don't have a sound percent location right now are making themselves RDP's have health insurance. We have health insurance We provided health insurance to our full time employees work at in a in a field at all You know we take every precaution now is it foolproof? Is it foolproof? We know that it's not is you know is it safe to stay home and not go out? Yes. So these are all these are all true things We believe that is very important subject matter. It's a very difficult and threat is a timer journals missing threatened around the world shooting Mapra sees where journalism itself is under attack and I think it's very, very important to catch for this moment. So we've chosen to continue to shoot. With every single precaution that we know how to take. Including our own tests test kits do that our rapid return and all of that. So is it taking a risk? Yes. Everyone. WHO's working on a project you'll but it's worth it. Yes. So. I. Mean You guys in some ways had already plenty of practice doing this certainly stylistically with some of your films how you were shooting and then working together with journalists in a way it almost feels like not that you didn't have a choice. But how are you going to the fact that you're covering journalists in dangerous places in the world already? How it's almost like how could you possibly now during a time of codes say you know what you guys keep doing what you're doing but we're GONNA go over here and maybe pause for awhile or like Sam yourself or like do and of your heroin day and you can tell us how it was. Know. I it felt wrong for us to do that. So the choice was either give the project shelved the project. Or continue and film so that was those arrived to choices and it would make sense to catch up with them when everything's fine and Dan the continue to pick up because now endangered now so. But you know truthfully, we are also filming series shorts. Right now that are not about Inter indeed or journalists. And we are finding a way to do that. Now with that project were doing remote interviews that very complicated setup. Filming other countries as well. We're doing animation were doing all kinds of inventive ways to film people in their homes without going into the whole right. Here's like drones, they can have rocked side windows. There's ladder. Is always with the permission and the you know the full consent and interests of the of the person but in that case you know. We're we're taking all same precautions all find to get you know a little bit clever wit sort of animated ways to to show their experience. It's a series of mental illness. So now that one retreating a little bit different. Yeah. Heidi I have to ask you as a fellow documentary filmmaker. When idea issued this idea of the ethics of documentary filmmaker shooting during a pandemic. How do you feel about an organization coming out and while they certainly didn't directly say you cannot or you should not be filming during this time but they certainly say, look it's an ethical decision that you need to be aware of what does that mean for you as a filmmaker well, I think anyone with experience in the field understands that I'm. Making. Documentaries period is a series is nothing but a series of ethical decision. You make every single day. How much is the camera changing the outcome I? Mean this is like know the eternal Air Morris it's ammunition. WHO's in the power position? The you know it's it's You will WANNA power. You know when you are filmmaker not you can interpret someone's life we choose to and asks navigable decision. Am I M I in editing this in in editing this film down to two hours or an hour and a half ago tap maintain the essence in the truth this person yesterday? No. If a character says, are you GonNa? Are you gonNA show in your film like the worst moment of your character? One thing that never said before it's What is your responsibility in representing a person? These are all ethical durations. This is yet another ethical question and decision that filmmakers have to make I you know I I the decision to issue this this statement I mean you know I think that there it's all goodwill and they they couldn't very well tell everyone to just go out and shoot nail be all fine. I. Think if you don't have resources, you can't afford to protect your crew. And you know you're staying in places that are have been, you know sanitizer cleaned or empty from multiple days. If you I mean a lot of it's about resources though I'm not right now to have resources in a way that so many duck filmmakers don't that's right and I that you know we have to take that into consideration and I. Think that the ID probably was thinking about you know a a lot of times you go out on the wing and a prayer especially when you don't have funding or make a second film and you know it, it can it could be more dangerous slightly under undergo out I don't know I mean we again I'm using all the resources I have. Yet to be you know, we have the right equipment to stay far away. I can do these things because I have resources right out on these projects. So I I don't really blame them for coming out with that I don't agree that nobody should be filming his stiff. I agreed with that I would be film in would be shooting Royds but I think that they're doing it with they've made the statement with very positive intentions for unity and I don't resent that at all. Yeah. Yeah you can. You. Can you share something that's unique maybe about the process of filming or the stories that you're telling that may be are directly tied into shooting. During this time I'll tell you we we You know we do observational cinema derive cinema I. Don't do a struggle films with John. One biography won't do another I was with historical footage it was it was not Norman Lear and we wanted to do it on but that's just not our cannon and we're getting a lot of requests right now do our cable based films. because obviously it's mostly editing and no one has the old. but you know we we we believe in direct cinema. So I'll tell you. It's very, very difficult to to get the emotions when people are wearing masks and people are wearing masks during their job. So are journalists are wearing masks and they are out there in the fields and we're all wearing masks and we're all wearing the gloves goggles. and. So what's become interesting is that the interview where the person is without a mask because we're great distance and we've got windows open overshooting outdoors. I most of our subjects prefer to take the mask off. Were at near them and we of course, keep all of our masks on and everything but the interview is become way more important. Because you really feel the expression in your you're missing the expressions that you normally get through instant him avert. And that's almost gone be a lot of times wearing masks and goggles, and you really can't read what character stinking as they're doing their job field. So suddenly you know we're not being really big interviews at just as filmmakers I, like to show not towel is much as possible but really he's interviews have become much more sancho recruiter. ADDS a different storytelling. We don't normally we don't employ in. The way that other filmmakers do and now we're just like you know literally Nice Shoe. Seal the person as they are under the mass and almost feels just more special than ever had. When when when there were Of make it and and talking cheese. So that's a real. That's a different storytelling. Device were employing a lot more than we have in the past. Yeah. Yeah it's it's interesting. Another gentleman I out shooting a project as well and are subject. Of course we're using the seventy two hundred as well keeping our distance. Or if you're on the fifties. Wow. Yeah. I mean you can use portrait lenses. For Taylor were mostly on A. Longer Lens. So we've been using that for interviews in particular with with our main subject and he's not wearing a mask and there was an interesting moment a couple of weeks ago where it was very kind of honest heartfelt moment where he's just like. Would you guys would you mind taking your mask off? Would you guys would you guys be okay with that and it was for him? It was this look. I'm being vulnerable here. I want to continue that connection with you. This is understandably. So right this is the way that we can do that. Have you guys run into that at all Heidi at some of our subjects might. EARN THAT Our Protocol is very specific. So you're not doing it I I we were asked and ninety, five mass. Anyone. So. I wouldn't be able to agree to that because I have to I have to be the leader of my crew. I can't like. You know we had one person who didn't want to be tested he he doesn't believe in the task. Doesn't WANNA share. He doesn't want his stated to be reported. Remember at. He's off the project. Yeah I any exceptions for testing or for call on if somebody wants. To be quarantine after she I'll pay for the hotel room. They don't have a place to go. were. Were doing full quarantines you. Passed on day seven that we provide. So you can. Half. The virus will show up what we know the virus is that it will the show up by that or Mosul show by Roy. Warranty belong or the Mac? So were. We have protocols place and I just don't deviate from and I understand why a person would want that and the and want to be interviewed in the mask. will also do as well. Right. All of our characters have wanted you interview at our comfortable without the mass and partly it's because we're at such a distance and we're taking. Precautions well. Hearkening back to your mentioned that the resources that that that you have the opportunity to have her, you have the fortune to have how are you? How do you have such access to testing in this way? Well we've tried everything I. Mean we're we're you know We did I we started like everybody else did the city md and then and then these tests became like you couldn't get a result. So. that it was a Hannibal because you WANNA be able to get tested right before shooting at and then after shoot. So It didn't work out anymore. So then we try, you're doing the lab LABCORP. Pixel. Tasks, which is that ax insurance also pays for results. Hours. Competitive. Attached to your own swab and then you send back the same day. We were getting results in forty eight hours apparently now, that's five days. Now we have on, we've bought two hundred blood tests that Are the cash for active antibodies. And those don't Those aren't reliable until day seven. So basically you know on after seven days, we start counting after land from an airplane or after she ends. When we get home, you start counting. That's your first day. So We have those at the at the company here. Okay. So. You know. I don't even know I honestly I are all the are these tax, one, hundred, percent accurate. All of these tasks, even the one retaking there's always the to. I'm some kind of you know we're doing everything. We do all the research tweak handle. And we try to find the tests that are the most reliable. To as we wrap up here, Heidi I'm wondering, is there anything that we have missed that you would think Chris, you know what documentary filmmakers need to know about this while you're out filming during this time I think you know you can't be too careful. You have you I listen I I'd have gone to a point where. If you know before Kobe, you know if there was smitten, maybe potential for seen to be interesting will stick around stick around for many hours You know let's see where this goes but I've been doing this for so long I was in Florida and add the roses seen happening inside of a coffee shop and on the journals recovering were were assigned to go to the coffee shop. And it was it was was specific reason they were going but and we walked in. It was really loud. There was no ventilation and I knew immediately, this was not going to work for film that was too off topic. Instead of saying, he left hanging around and see where it goes as we're we're going to awry outside I read I remove my crew because I'm not going to like mass around with like navies have enough experience to know that this is not going to be a scene film. It's it's too off topic. We we waited for the journal stat side in the fresh air. Is I can't put people at risk unnecessarily I'm it will already taking risk. So I'm making much more specific calls when I have seen you know we'll. We'll leave. It was like we're not going to overcome it like I'm really looking at everything much more strategically because I am asking people to be exposed. You know where people are being os rights. I take that very seriously. So I'm actually making. If if it's a scene, it's probably not likely going to make it. We're not filming. We're not shooting do. Very. Very, very calculated decisions You know to to minimize the risk and the risk you know I would say that that something that is is. Has. Happened in also would say that this is going away anytime soon actually it summer you can shoot a lot of things outside right now. Right. In November happens we're all going to be inside. It's much more dangerous We know some things about the virus and the virus doesn't like the air doesn't like to be outside the win. So honestly like we're probably getting as much eating as we can done. Jewish. Her as I don't know what happens in the hall I don't knows will be able to or want to or should be entered people's homes. When does I really don't know. So I, you know I kind of think for me it's catches catch handwrite now and I would assume this is going to go on for a long time. So I think you should start bigger protocols because this could go on for years. So I I I think. You were waiting for what we're waiting for vaccine but I don't we can't assume the vaccine is GonNa be you know we're going to have of the six billion people were all going to be? Vaccinated by January, February I would. Go On for another year at least and start building your protocols and start making a plant you. WanNa make selves. Heidi this is exactly what I was hoping for. Thank you so much for this. It's very valuable information and out it's going to help a lot of people and I'll tell you what best of luck out there for all of us I think you you're going to help us. Thank you so much. You so much and may the goddess last all documentary filmmakers and keep us healthy and safe insane right now. So much. Thank you. Thank you so much great night. My pleasure. Don't forget. We'd love to have you join us in the documentary academy come and take a look at how we can help you make your best documentary film at the documents, your life. Dot Com Slash Academy. That's the documentary life dot. com. Slash Academy. Thanks for listening and we'll see you soon.

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388: Set Visibility to Death

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388: Set Visibility to Death

"DOC show slash VPN and sign up today for year and get sixty seven percent off the regular price that's go go dot com slash VPN this episode of grumpy all Geeks his brought to you by private Internet access you want a solid VPN in private Internet access is the only log VPN that's been battle tested in court go to GE honesty in the online marketplace harms shoppers as well as firms that play fair and square that's right posting fake reviews on shopping websites or buying and selling fake followers they can go back and take more right so if he ever makes any money we take it away from them good and I love this comes from the FTC. The money's didn't you I did I paid them for I think ten thousand twitter followers just as an experiment right and I think I got like eight thousand before it of course Oh yeah the one I listen to is absolutely fine I listened to the latest so it's four per multi person skype called type of setup but you mentioned Movember Lafayette Code Checkout Movember DOT COM and it turns out it's all slew of men's health issues that they're because apparently he's broke that can happen yeah they do say that the it is a deferred payment because if it is discovered that his financial situation Changes Eagle now the fake reviews I can keep buying or selling fake followers that doesn't seem like it's illegal it just marveling of them I think should be illegal but the buying them for our listeners and posting photos on on the Patriot we'll see we'll see if you should clear that with your wife Yeah is all you have to check that out first and you point five million dollars but German Calais or callous the CEO has only paid two hundred and fifty thousand dollars the rest deferred but yeah I don't know if that is technically illegal to break the terms of service but who cares nobody nobody enforces those in thinking maybe maybe and then I scrolled down and I saw a new video that they posted called more facial hair facts and of course I was I was intrigued because it's like my perfect timing as soon as I paid them and got my followers the New York Times ran that that hack piece on the basically said hey everybody's doing this riley modern skin-care LLC And this one really pisses me off these guys were posting fake reviews right and chiefs should be wear and but I got a refund surprisingly which is going because they have settled with the FTC to the tune doing this stuff on Sephora and of course when when they got found out by Sephora by trending the IP address they were told to use a VPN massacre there for AAC reviews and selling product right that seems ridiculous to me that's the way the world yeah but still it seems ridiculous yeah but much of the Internet highly enjoyed way smarter than you are I that's for damn sure I and some follow up on Dumi remember those guys yeah you you pay them did check out the skeptics guide to the universe podcast The audio quality is fine. I don't know what you're talking about maybe it was the episode I was listening to I don't know the one I listened to was crap uh-huh yes they say it undermines the marketplace in the FTC will not tolerate it well the annoying thing about this is they went after another company called Sunday right and the FTC just gave them slap on the wrist in no no monetary fine whatsoever and these guys were literally posting if you are a heroin lift inclined you should definitely give it a shot and raise some awareness and raise some money let me do it the open up a little money thing for for the most part it wasn't bad so but the show itself was fantastic is where many favorite podcasts it's very very good content them they they're very smart people L. Highly recommend you go back in Washington is very funny they've got a lot of people in it but yeah it's very cool very cool definitely check it out dropped though APP do something about it in the news it seems ridiculous to me anyway there's they have the FTC's doing something sorta sometimes good sign up you know every now and then when find something basically hat yeah so we'll see if they if they snap back the other interesting thing is aws actually missed their target for the first time in a long time all those pretty crazy yeah you know why because Oh let's start giving next day shipping on things that cost seventy five cents yeah that's not the brightest I'm trying to help so there you go it is a lot of things and I was on the fence and maybe under that mustache right there are welcome to grumpy all gigs on Jason Filipo Branch Meister Brian Little follow up here already was it voyager where they they found Scotty in a like a transporter loop point and they brought him back maybe it was next Gen I can't even remember but keep talking about which basically said you can lie as long as you pay for it and make it a political ad and that's totally okay we're not gonNA police that and so facebook's libra crypto project but the they basically hit him up about everything and top of mind in Congress and not mentioned the public right now is facebook's policy that we very long because once the stock rebounds is talking to drop seven percent over net because yeah they miss their earnings for the first time in two years all you have to just keep getting bigger and bigger when you know at some point they've taken over everything already they can't get any bigger do you remember the episode of how was it. I think it was resurrected Scotty for one episode it was next Janet was next-gen because he was telling Lavar Burton like you actually told the captain how long it's GonNa take to actually do something darn sorry remember we had a story about that guy that shot his neighbors drone with a shotgun and he got in a lot of trouble because the FAA was not very happy about that open buckets yeah they missed it by point two billion dollars okay but they still made nine billion yeah you know it's the target thing it's it's insane soon wow who would you rather be would you rather be Jeff Bezos who to be fair seems to work his ass off and he has has one hundred three billion dollars or would you rather be that we were is the person who is front and center on the video is Stephen Fry one of my favorite people of all time I love him but you get a chance to watch the video I did not because I did not know it was there until now okay Douche who will basically got a billion dollars to do nothing well you got a billion dollars to scheme and scam and run as companies into the ground so he didn't do something I guess that's true Woke up this morning to the news that Jeff bezos is no longer the richest person in the world aw poor chaff we think we might make you know they need the Scotty this shit yeah so on Wednesday the duck appeared in a hearing before the House Financial Services Committee that was supposed to just be about four donald they'll take care of that for you too and pretty soon those drones will be just buzzing overhead and dropping it in your lap and I will be shooting out of the sky that's illegal don't do it cast that as brewster's billions in the we work guy that'd be awesome yeah so Bill Gates back on top with one hundred five point seven billion dollars which won't last TV show that they did where they the boss which with employees for a day they really need to do that with some of these tech companies undercover millionaire or undercover boss undercover boss Yes we need undercover I just love this part of the of this whole thing and you can watch the video ao see who I am down with yeah you know me at least about this like a fucking boss when aftershock and you can't say the walls are crumbling because facebook is doing quite well thank you very much but any idea of there ever being anything good about this company has gone ah why they're doing it they're doing it to lock everybody in to to take away the quick run to the store that we all used to do or the quick run to target now now Amazon Oh street but it would be cool if he did it for at least like an hour or just an hour a month or maybe you just did it for fifteen minutes a lot of money which I guess is good for journalism and there will be a human a human curated selections of news from Partners Like The Wall Street Journal business insider ask for Tech Companies I did see they did one undercover billionaire that was actually pretty good recently so highly recommend that one there you go well yeah I mean it takes a lot of work have you seen brewster's millions that was a lot of work for Richard prior to spend that million dollars in a day and have nothing to show for it now yeah I think they should and dig up and put in the show notes where suck was asked if he would be willing to spend an hour a day doing content moderation that all the other people that they hired to do and Friday they are going to announce the final real coming of facebook's new section which we've been hearing about forever they are going to pay a lot of people if I were him I would resign and quietly go live on my islands I know man I think he had to have like a CD trip that hold on because he had like there's doing facebook news in even though the entire news organizations around the world have been getting mad at facebook for basically taking their work and without and not paying for it On you said I used to rent I had a little house like a two story three or four bedroom house which was a nice little place and it was like seven people in election from seeing that you had lied is just I I highly recommend watching it it's awesome it really just Zuckerberg and I using affordability okay yeah this is it's all right it's all right it's all right it's not a lot compared to I mean that's you know twenty percent of one of their I'd be down with that absolutely yeah they're they're putting a bunch of different chunks of cash into debt almost no expression in this guy and I convinced he's an actual robot I starting to become convinced of it because he has no emotion whatsoever while everybody around him is I mean hiring is bad and I think if you were to run an ad that lie in it that would be bad that's different from being waiver waiver are positioned the right thing to do to prevent your constituents this quarter were pulled before user even flagged the content that's up from thirty eight percent in quarter one they of course have tweaked their algorithm which is what they're saying is doing asked if she could run fake ads basically said Yeah I guess you could lying is bad why well congresswoman I think signs and this is over the course of ten years right so I honestly think that facebook should just say fuck it and by Wyoming and move the whole company there yeah even fifteen minutes if he saw what was actually going on on a platform that's bringing us all together exactly what was is freed excetera basically will be able to have facebooks algorithm pick out our stories for our show from now on why does that get you just said human curated and then algorithm curated maybe he's only got one point one hundred and three point nine billion dollars now cheese yeah stock he's going to be slumming it at Chipotle is pretty yeah no I think that's the best use of my time and take a hard pass on that one I'm Gonna I'm GonNa be taking a right on the trick yet somehow the twitter and chief never gets flagged Oh yeah well you've never do that never ever do that tell him it's going to take a day when you do it in four hours you're you're a hero so these people need to stop saying hey this is actually what I programs that are coming through 'cause they may be are they need to good pr but they they don't have any place for anybody to live I love this San Francisco which is a human curated with a selection of Algorithms always peppered in their algorithm is the spice yes it's the the pumpkin spice in compare it against for example they have yet to detail exactly just how much abuse is actually occurring on the platform be helpful to know that as well why would they even bother telling you that that's true is he just doesn't actually read it there's the problem or care or care now I found this one over the Washington Post it is a lengthy read yeah I mean it's still it's still just twitter it's going to be what it's going to be I just I just somebody needs to object Dorsey I mean honestly like I said we need oh a family of four making over a hundred thousand dollars a year is considered low income yup and we my wife and I were actually debating moving up there because of job offers and then we just did the finances on it and I was like Nah I'll pass yeah it's ridiculous I mean it is absolutely ridiculous well as more algorithm news in the news twitter says it's better at spotting abusive tweets than Oh I don't know the actual users that continue to report them and have them never do anything about it yeah and what's up with his hair I don't know it's getting weirder every time I don't know print of the show David Peterson is a really good Good clip is well that all nine hundred bucks a month thank you rent control as soon as I moved out the guy that's nothing the guy I I moved out the guy remodeled it in it's like ten thousand dollars a month now about higher view I have never heard of this company but it is apparently very popular with a large corporations and it is a I driven okay yes they say they've achieved a major milestone in his attempts to improve the health of its platform according to their most recent earnings report fifty percent of abusive tweets remove this differentiate between a productive worker and a worker who isn't fit based on their facial movements their tone of voice their mannerisms right it's pseudo it is pretty incredible and you have to sit down for like twenty minutes to half an hour in answer a bunch of questions to your smartphone and then the is says if you're even interviews for job positions of now wonderful yeah this is pretty incredible easy and yeah it was like ten thousand four years ago so it's gotTa be twenty grand a month now yeah I mean I complain about what what it's like here in Silicon Beach in Santa Monica missing all that but it ain't nothing compared to San Francisco Oh hell no no yeah if you're not if you're not grandfathered in rent control forget about it public public personality that's Never GonNa happen so we get these metrics that show promise but the problem is they don't provide all of the metrics that we need to all of these twitter CEO's to just become regular employees for one day see how horrible their platforms are. I'm sure jackets the gets to the full force of what twitter actually science it's a license to discriminate in the people whose lives and opportunities are literally being shaped by these systems don't have any chance to weigh in well I don't know if we can waiting for the cops to come by because I hate interviewing I'm terrible at it I mean to be fair shifty and shady is kind of your default whether you're doing an interview or not yeah come on the next gatekeeper Oh okay so a is the initial churning point at which you get kicked out of the system and not lucky few move on right in it's a total so you're GonNa have you know it's just like a power law distribution curve where everything is going to creep towards vanilla ability it's great like box and I love this meredith whitaker she's a Co founder at the AI now institute she says it's a profoundly disturbing development that we have proprietary technology the claims going to be a match for the job car right and no human reviews well this gets this gets you to the you and I don't see it I don't see how anybody should be using this product all but they've got massive massive clients out there liberty and there's a lot of people that are going against them in this article which is great because it is pseudoscience Bowl shitty and the people who run the company like no L. Ability early rap group in the Eighties I I just made ABC boys is a bunch of white kids rapping Vanilla Ability Vanilla actually call it discrimination in any way shape or form considering it's a black box we don't know how the decisions are being made right but what they're doing is they're try- I have this but it is well worth reading the whole thing because it these people are you know they're going to the Matt's trying to defend their product higher this is real science you see you cannot say that in and of course they're not going to share you any metrics are not going to show you what the algorithms are doing and the whole point of this thing is it's like yeah nowadays it's just like you just need it's basically just a field is a text field you can't you can't enumerate on that so exactly anyways yeah I mean the thing is it's like you know it was just very easy to search on you know okay you have an which is an Mr enough in in some cases new class of people the Non Binary people and you and I have coded many a form where gender was basically just male or female and that's basically what we did there that are deemed to be productive in good employees and white it well we don't we don't know that because it's a fairly some of these companies are tired the next the rest of this story is going to be an air quotes just imagine me waving my fingers around their training the AI on employees that they have article and I just thought it was interesting as an old programmer as you are as well Jason which was it's been brought up that basically binary code is not accommodating the I don't know about you but when I go in for a job interview I'm nervous as Hell looks shifty shady and you know look like I got a grandma coke shoved up wasn't a bunch of options got really into how like inside computational systems and they serve as barriers to implementing truly inclusive yeah because I have a hot tub and it's expensive but anyway I'm saddened that they don't have the VAL kilmer being the spokesperson for this because this is line of course there is pretty easy fixes for all this especially in this day and age of J. Query you just change the field so it's not binary ingenious shit right here I mean it's river of is it's reverse real genius because real genius had a laser in a plane and this is like a laser shooting down a plane but laser on a jeep and and perhaps get one of these first anti-drug laser weapons they've rolled out I know to droned buggy instead of a Dune buggy it's an anti-drug buggy it's energy lasers laser system mounted on small all terrain vehicle which uses electro optical and infrared sensors to detect and track drones after identifies and tracks unwelcome flying devices new not good no not good at all I sense a class action lawsuit in the making at some point probably we'll speaking of bias in tech I found this gun Monday I why are we surprised about this we spend half the time on the show screaming about tech companies that don't do what they say is when you're very funny you put a d. because I have done dog because on the Internet no one knows you're a dog if you're you're an old school program or you get the joke but yes yeah not really not really maybe on the inside but not on the outside okay pretty good at Tappan that shit down but it's a it's a long article the First Public Space Tourism Company on Monday when I first read this I'm like Oh they're gonNA finally shoot people into space no no they're not making any money so they're gonNA take the early big but you know that's GonNa end up coming out of this what did you do it even talking about this in the article because it's just going to homogenize the entire workforce that works companies is it then neutralizes it with a laser and a process that can take a few seconds so they draw power from a standard two hundred twenty volt outlet so you just plug it right in and it can deliver dozens Brumfield geeks a weekly talk show hosted by Brian Chu Meister Jason Filipo discussing the finer points of what went wrong on the Internet and who's to blame Yup and as I was talking earlier about hopefully shooting down the drones that are coming from delivery services well I may not be able to use a shotgun but I could contact my good friends over at Raytheon well if they don't mention exactly how many shots on a single charge pretty cool okay it to twenty is not really standard because I mean I had to twenty in my house company public okay okay well yeah words have different meanings they do they do depends depends on interpretation so yes it does yeah so a lot of people's names who I can't pronounce with the company's name I can't pronounce are actually going to take the company Public Oh secure it we're back this week with yeah I mean it's been over ten years I went out to the desert and saw spaceship one flight for the first time and it's like come on guys let's go let's go the use of Raytheon's marketing budget for this drone anti Jaren buggy or sure that one for Free Raytheon get on there you go in Virgin Galactic is yeah they really should have val kilmer do this and when and when the drone explodes it should like have popcorn come out of it because that really be that would be the best I'm doing going public being worth billions of dollars this is yet just another company going public that doesn't even have a product although I mean come on they they do have a new place Taverna's Yuck oh man and but facebook has committed one billion dollars and has partnered with the State of California to address in is not anywhere near that list of top richest people in the world I guess they gotta go out of my most fun he does he does there in trials with the new plane since the low income bro and Carlo whatsoever because you cannot buy a ticket you cannot go anywhere well here's the deal yeah you can they we'll see I wish he would just get their shit together and get that burden the air let's go it'd be nice I mean it was buying stock until that happens yeah at eight ton of pre-ordered where you had to put down a shit ton of money I guess all of those pre orders they burn through all that cash and they now another infusion since Richard Brands we've bitten from the cyber wire podcast the cyber wire is still free and still a community driven cybersecurity news service based in Maryland still in dame is also the CO host with the hacking human spots breath along with our good friend Joe Kerrigan where they take on social engineering welcome back Dave thank you very much and I have an additional podcast to add to the list no yeah just this week we launched a new show it's called Caveat and it is our new law and policy show it's a weekly show and my co host is Benny Elon asked him what they thought about this they didn't have any real specific critiques either way about it but one of them did send me a link to a presentation that someone from Microsoft Games we'll look at that have either of you guys enabled for more passwords on your computers new on Ios does apple have an advantage using their own chips in their own devices or can Microsoft's simply if they get the participation with the manufacturers yeah that's a good point yeah I did ask around I have some some folks in the security side of things who deals specifically with firmware and ah well I have not but I have dealt with computers where it has been put on it so so then in this particular area of the show Microsoft is doing relatively decent job with privacy and and basically it security in general and they've got something new going on on as we've all known for a long time hackers have been increasingly using firmware exploits to carry out their attacks particularly as operating systems get a bit better there are few reasons for that processor will instead call on Microsoft's BOOT loader for those instructions pretty smart yeah and I couple of things come to mind with this I I so I think we're going to have a good time if you are a fan of the hacking humans podcast the show will sound very familiar to you because the format is almost the same so and it's about this very thing so if you're interested in the the deep tech of what's going on under the hood there's a link here on the show notes that you can check out excellent thanks and PR- basically what that meant is if you didn't have that password that computer is bricked yeah yeah so that was kind of according to this article they have does Microsoft's police SPEC out this is how it's GonNa work we're going to collaborate here and it's just as good as owning the whole thing I don't I don't know the answer then when when we got spun off as the cyber wire their own company some of US had computers that had firmware passwords in them putting up devices so now the process firmware will power up the system but they limit how much the processor trust its own firmware to define the code path that takes to launch the system is that as part of a new partnership with PC manufacturers are launching an initiative called secured Korpi see where they are rethinking windows relationship with firmware and how it handles I think about what apple's done on Ios with their secure enclave and all that sort of firmware stuff and I wonder how much the obviously firmware is code that has not been written by operating system developers it's been written by hardware manufacturers recently so Microsoft wants to change things so it's a lot of fun Ben and I've been doing cyber wire segments for a few years now so we've got our routine down and Ben Really knows his stuff through the computer away because it's about it so let's see how to frame this long story short when we came over it's expensive to it's kind of a waste to have to throw away a computer that because you can't you'd some consortia that one yet knows his stuff yeah all right Brian would we got well we've got what something coming for Microsoft as we've always been stating on this show and why not mess with something that works so that's that's what we're going to get that so we hope everybody will check it out again it's called Caveat Excise Ben is a very smart dude anyway thank you for coming law and policy as it applies to tech and cybersecurity or they'll be an emphasis on privacy and surveillance and those sorts of things it I mean it's secure but maybe a little too secure well it I guess that's the trade off is that Alf never had never had the chance to use it because my laptop I've never been stolen I have done so many security precautions for things that have actually works doesn't do the job yes to enable it when I would travel when I'd go on the road I would just turn it on so I knew that like yeah you're not getting into it so you can't get into it on the other hand that's the whole point they're kind of doing what it's supposed to do exactly the things that we've talked about that one anybody stole my laptop at the airport which is the one thing I cared about it's like okay and I chase him down I get the cops and the cops are like well boot in you know I'd be like well uh-huh sticky issue all right moving on you guys remember retina x I do yeah that was these spyware that them and like other FTSE's settlements that we've mentioned previously in this episode these guys got a slap on the wrist and no fine for happened not happened in airport which I always expected them to happen so that once you enable the firmware password year you're stuck this gives you all the data's yet well they have they've had a little run in with the FTC and the FTC's says online privacy protection act kind of make this sort of software hard to implement in the ways that the people who make these types of software would like to implement them and I think that's a good thing we're going to do that again it seems silly that they're not getting hit with a pretty big fine here I don't understand why at the court documents looking for it as well nope they just got set with a bunch of sanctions that said you have to do A. B. and C. if you ever want to sell it eventually got hacked and it was we talked about a couple of times and it's you know the ski software that you can put on your kids or employees phone where you basically have to jailbreak it and then me up you'd have stalker wear I don't see a good place for unless it's in a corporate environment where you're actually handing out devices to your employees and to ask the folks at the FTC what their thought processes for deciding what they go after I I think well I think I'm of two minds of this hopefully it will keep other companies or make make other AH I haven't I've never seen that laid out before I mean they're they must have a reason the to choose which tools they want to use and I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt that noten make sure you don't put that or if you put it somewhere you know put that sticky in your shoe and then some say that if somebody steals your shoes I guess you're screwed why is there a serious I know he's next week on security with yellen needs dave anymore yeah well so are we we're in this country yes a group of Republicans decided to go into a skiff which is you know underway to be a shot across the bow to the folks who might do this right perhaps you can discuss this more on your new podcast about law and so I'm assuming you guys saw the The Republican revolt this week about the impeachment revolting is the right word bunnies think twice before they come out with a product like this seeing that this is what happens to you if you don't do it right it seems as though things like the children's thing On the other hand I I would I why not get them with a fine I that would be even be an even this again and a lot of it is around well you you can't change the name of the APP you can't have a secret APP it has to say what it is on the ten if it's I was gonna ask about that because I I was looking through the article and I couldn't find anything about any sort of money there is none that's why you couldn't find it I actually I skipped the median to storm into the meeting right yeah they wanted to make an entrance yeah they they wanted Oh ended up keep in mind that some of the Republicans that storm didn't because they wanted to get access were part of the meeting right earlier halting the the the the idiots taken over the asylum it's insane it's insane what other countries are looking at us and laughing at this point when you're breaking the law and yeah they've got a bunch of things that are basically just going to kill this company's business which is I okay with that fine with that owned by a foreign government Yep right since those people are high value targets the likelihood is fairly high that at least one if they did something like this even accidentally there would be consequences they could lose their jobs they could lose their Clearances not no no boy now you are in violation of the Child Online Privacy Protection Act and you have not kept your data's safe as they should have been hence they the hacking that happened to the people that got in there has a you know a phone that has been compromised yeah so there's you see a lot but that's getting harder and harder to do if we only knew a lawyer who things like Benny Elon could ask him something like this happens when when a skiff is compromised like this by people who are not security professionals words uh-huh that's it and it's funny I just WanNa ask real quick 'cause you know they say that on facebook you can only run political ads that have lies in them is they could at the very least there will be a lot of paperwork and it won't be fun but it is my understanding why trump's children have security clearances for example because we're yeah we're seeing the rules being bent for politicians on everything now apparently from the security of the nation one place where you don't have things like electronic devices than could be spying on things that happened in the room or even more of more concern is if one of those phones have been not people who have clearances but politicians you will often see folks who have clearances rightfully complained that that when it comes to these sorts of things the rules are different for politicians than four cleared professionals and that is why you know by that was something that they're here and they took their phones with them which is not something that you should be doing because that's the whole point of it being secure allowed to be part of fighted and we're welcome to listen in and participate in the skiff with the I need I'm just amazed at the sergeant at arms let him through for starters I understand why you know he tried to take their phones and they said no but isn't that kind of his job coming dictionary I'm screwed not a rapper and just just just to clarify skift stands for sensitive compartmentalize information facility which is supposed to be right now they have to keep that up so we could do a political ad makeup completely insane lies about Zuckerberg we we see this time and time again again law and policy is applied so inconsistently I don't I don't understand yeah it it'd be it'd be interesting who storm into the skiff where they claimed Adam Schiff is holding secret impeachment depositions the secret impeachment depositions where most of them were free donuts Oh yeah why why are they going to Congress about implementing this it seems like a was it it is it is stand up to people who are doing things that they're not supposed to do that's why he has a job otherwise he would just be an usher here's your seats her if you're politician or even advertising as it was yes book the rules do not apply anymore so guys we're running for city council that's it implementation of DNS over https with the greatest acronym of all time hope that there are some consequences for these folks from the sergeant at Arms I doubt there will be a once again an erosion of social norms did you have to you know basically the parents have to sign off on it if you give it to your nephew you give you give them an android for Christmas and you put it on there Internet Task Force issue instead of Congress congressional issue I suppose maybe pushing to make it be standard Tori sergeant at arms calling the police in having the Capitol Police in heaven people hauled away in handcuffs I Dunno if only yes so if I'm running for office but I wanted to do an ad about how Shitty Zuckerberg is that would still be a political ad because I'm the politician hang around and saying hey bob have you enabled three doughnuts only reason you get that story in this story Nice Fashion Security folks only only well we've got something more here from the F. They have decided to go to Congress and call on support for are Fox that was the first browser to enable this Oh yeah uh-huh and Yohannes kind of had mixed feelings about it he says he you know this is political theater at its worst yeah and I'm just it's embarrassing it is embarrassing yeah Um sites that are known militias sites you don't have the visibility into dns anymore that you used to have he says the problem for enterprise is that this takes away your visibility of what's going on with Dns so if someone's going to Z.. which generally has good good coverage Yup Yup it's no aljazeera which I think is still it's still the best because they've unfortunately been pulled from my cable who are in places where their networks are sniffed by the government and they're not allowed to look at other news organizations so I think this is actually a pretty good are you sir thief you can you I in that I could come in and swoop in and did a little bit saint my computer not his take them off the airport jail send them to the whose cat just publicity that's what I was wondering yeah yeah so I included another link here when I saw this story it rang a bell with me that I had spoken with someone about this on cyber wire and turns out I did Yohannes all rick and I talked about this almost a year ago when I think it was fire Alton her own apartment so it's scary case from Canada Canada Brian? Careful careful when you move up there Youhana's views have changed on Cincinnati but if you want some perspective there's a little clip there where he and I talk about this very thing facebook on tour so I don't know it seems like it seems like a very simple thing for most most news organizations to do site on Tour Okay I think this is a good thing what do you think yeah yeah you know a lot of people want the news from the BBC her might might get you some malware with that yeah and I don't know I I mean I I'm trying to remember how vague recollections of throughout our his to get into how they respond yeah I know facebook had a had a version of facebook on tour for a while I don't know if it's still up but they were trying to they had like a light version of Guy who broke into her apartment did so by cloning her pass key yeah I saw that too that was great in yeah they're Paschi and her her excellent excellent give that a listen for sure and this next one I thought was very interesting the BBC news has started to mirror their main international news and she remembered that she still had her apple watch on so she used her apple watch detector boyfriend and got him to call the police and this guy has since been arrested and the news organizations follow with this and what the next volley will be if anybody you know any of these countries at their targeting or trying to to be able apartment room key right right criminals are becoming more and more tech savvy like to even think to pull the phone away right and then loaning the keys and yeah that's pretty crazy Jason now I'm not sure I believe this because I have an apple watch and you cannot text off these things other than using the the pre canned stuff thanks on my way Blah Blah Blah no way was she able to text a full message from her watch Have you never you haven't done that before I've done it no the pictures with your credit card information your address yeah I see right that's insane like what and they would have to keep it up okay loophole seems to be the case Yes I hope I would ever do this yeah but it made me wonder could that be the way that this bad guy got the key to her apartment by their coworkers step for the BBC and again we cost all that much no can't really no I like it up another server right you're content yeah it'll be interesting to see if any the new key cutting machines they just take a picture of your key young carpet from that we sounded the alarm awhile ago maybe oh provider I remember I remember watching I would watch Al Jazeera America all day because they had some of the best reporting for Global News Yeah so now we just we get the BBC but this is good for people well this reminds me I was getting a key made recently at my local Home Depot and you know love interesting yeah so included a link to the goes directly to that segment is from about a year ago so I don't know it's it's quite possible that leaves her keys laying around somewhere as nude is just walk by took a picture and then have a key made new could be but I think the the I it sounded me local grocery store now I can walk in there and they have a machine that I stick a key in and then I just they they make a key right there from the machine in spit it right out so you only need like a minute or two into me like it was like he cloned like a electronic key fob for apartment access right so to get building and then a key to get into the actual what and then you pay with your credit cards so they could match it to your address this is insane yeah it was it was an iphone APP basically use your phone take a picture of your keys said with a with a physical key boom you don't have to even talk to anybody or there's no record a trail of it except for your payment I think mine has a cash the watch the dictate the texture you're watching it goes it she dictated then she had to have she must there's no other way to do it right okay but yeah you can ages a few years ago and I was just comfortable not having anything on my wrists but I have to say this new version of the watch that keeps an eye related to this story that I am getting an Apple Watch for Christmas this year do cited I was resisting the three or four years when they can't win years a company before launch basically just did that and I was like and whisper into your watch and it'll Dick Tracy that shit they'll send off a tax law right baroness obviously the the theory interpretation was correct right in the middle of the heart attack zone in terms of my age my you know Middle Aged Guy I just I feel like hey a man broke into this woman's apartment and took her phone away from her nightstand when she was taking a nap and when she woke up the guy was there and was going to you know do nefarious things to her on your heart and all that stuff and falling down I will I will embrace the old part of the grumpy say that now than I am slot on it check next time I'm going I'm going to check tuning yeah because I'm pretty sure I I know I walk past when I went to the store the other day and I know it had credit card door yeah he he cloned the Swipe Card and then got the keys so he probably did work with her I'm guessing or at least had close access to her to a purse because I just didn't see if there was a cash slight yeah I go I walk past it every morning but actually do need to get some keys made so maybe I'll give it a shot on it's not hard to buy I can afford this one I'd have a device keeping an eye telling me you know what there's something going on with your heart you might WanNa just head over to the head over to the ER in fact a couple of years ago my wife bought me an Apple Watch and I returned it because I just I just wasn't interested in and I had stopped wearing if he had to clone the clone the actual swipe card that takes a minute the key yeah now we know we can just take a picture of and get that done in a minute or two more even I don't know if you guys have these a credit card gift card so yeah you can buy that at the checkout store walk over use that to to well I have to see definitely the guy did think that it was a joke so she had to send multiple tax right okay affirmative it it did work a couple of things caught my eye about this that the the sennheiser boyfriend might have gotten like go store bag call text people send me that way but see how this goes it I'm in I'm all in and his last was just some good news Apple Watch saved women from sexual oh that's awesome so this is law and policy and tech lawn yeah basically hosted a podcast episode about that over on things joe hates is a happy ending but I recommend everybody listened to it because there's a lot of really I and I have to say also I don't know if you guys heard Joe Kerrigan story about what happened with his wife links to stuffy like stay grumpy yeah yeah I don't use it for any of that would he is it for mine mine is basically I have notifications from my security cameras Komo APP timers Galore always use it for timers and just to have my my calendar so I know what's coming up then it just gives me a quick alert for there you go the very least the very least so arrives gentleman see next week maybe last night so happy ending there but I don't know I just figure why not tie you know I've gotten used to it I I was in the exact same space as you if not been yellen on security how quickly quickly they forget how quickly they move on get through their cardiac events Joe is an Lisa his wife are extraordinarily lucky she made it through she's fine actually saw both of them use case for that for me either yeah yeah how do you find yourself using it what are the main things use it mostly for exercise tracking I like it for being able to check the texts that I'm getting in quickly without having to pull out my phone or respond just to see what's going on so it's really helpful for all of that sort of stuff it's a remote control for my phone when I'm listening to podcasts or audiobooks yeah yeah well I'm GonNa make the plunge and so I

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Molecular Neurobiology (BRAIN CHEMICALS) with Crystal Dilworth

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Molecular Neurobiology (BRAIN CHEMICALS) with Crystal Dilworth

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Boy howdy sincerely Dusky into into that. I say hey also side note. Happy Wedding lizzy vet and Hulo to kangaroo to. Who Left me a one star review because they didn't like that unnamed so many patrons who ask questions but kangaroo to is it nice to hear your name in a podcast you love? Isn't it kangaroo to just hang. Also the bat episodes just got a lot of questions actions okay kangaroo to it's frigging bats. I hope I have proven my point. The people like to hear their names. But I get it and I'm going to read faster. Okay molecular neurobiology. Let's get into. Let's break it down. So molecules word derives from the Latin for tiny mask and neuro comes from the Greek for sinew or cord or your penis because neurons are elongated. They look like strings or cords or I guess pierces biology. Of course the study of life so so molecular neurobiology the study of the tiny masses that bring our Dick look and brain cells to life and just reading facts here now. This just got a bachelor's and biochemistry at Uc San Diego and later a PhD and molecular neuroscience at Caltech. She's also a dancer a gymnast. A violinist Ted ex youth speaker attack strategist and a TV host for Voice of America. Al Jazeera America Seeker Discovery. News and more. She's then if then stem ambassador for the American Association for the Advancement of Science and Lyda Hill philanthropies literally. She is appointed a role model to other women in girls in science technology engineering math fields. She also appears on segments of the new CBS. Show mission unstoppable where she is known accurately as Dr Brain and I've known her for five years and have adored her since we first sat down and shared a basket of sweet potato fries in twenty fourteen and I was just straight up Giddy to have have her on my couch and ask her one million questions. About what a brain is made of and white matter and gray matter and what makes us happy and how anti-depressants work work and why are some substances addictive. What happens on drugs and can I have new habits and what is anxiety all about and how depression works and Caffeine hacks that may not network so get ready to fill your ears and the thing between your ears with all kinds of wisdom from wonderful person? neuroscientist your new good friend and and molecular neurobiologist. Dr Crystal Dilbert and start recording. Can you say your first and last name please pronounce it Right Crystal Dilworth. I I spell it for you. Dr Dilworth Dr Diller I always like to ask the question. What was it like when you came out of the room from defending and you're like I'm Dr Worth So I came out of the room and my committee was still in there deliberating. Normally that is one of the scariest moments in anyone's life because you're not sure what they're going to say but I was. I was pretty sure because my my committee chair had been like. We're just going to chat for a little bit. We'll be right out. They came out and they shook my hand. And they said congratulations. Dr Dolittle and I got an entirely new lease on life. It's like everything changed. Dude you know growing up that you were going to be a doctor a neuroscientist. I mean you're really good at into law things and I think that that sometimes is difficult. No I was going to be a dancer. ONSTAGE Lincoln Center just like all the books that I had read about about how to be a professional ballet dancer had nothing to do with science really and then so were you studying ballet and then sneaking into into camp glasses. How did it work? Who are you cheating on scholastically I think the decision to go to Grad School. I was definitely cheating on my dance. Classes I was in professional dance school in New York City. Doing the things that you have to do to be a professional dancer and I just wasn't fulfilled by the experience. I think it's really hard. I was lying about my aged so that I could be in the school to begin with and dancers are they're treated like empty vessels right the choreographer artistic director her. These are the people that are filling the empty vessel with the intention. And when you have a bachelor's degree in biochemistry and you're used to doing independent research research as an intern research lab Being treated like you have nothing personally to contribute is very difficult. Yeah and I was looking for an opportunity to be an adult and to be treated like I had something to intellectually contribute and I wasn't getting that in my artistic life so I started skipping my classes and taking the subway uptown Columbia and attending the Chemistry Department lectures which is insane. Now that I look back on it now like nobody goes to those lectures voluntarily early on the Grad students are only there because of the free pizza but I was actually there for the intellectual stimulation which is terrifying an awful. They give pizza Otherwise nobody goes. Yeah most of those like weekly lectures accompanied by some type of bribe. So why hi neuro science. Well I guess I was always interested in people and their behavior. 'cause maybe as a home schooled cooled kid that didn't have like a really diverse social network. I had a social network but not the diversity that you would see in public school. For for instance some people's their behavior seem unfathomable to me like I just don't understand like what is this programming. And how does it work and so I thought Oh maybe I would study history. Maybe I would study sociology or psychology and my dad said No. That's not a real science men of those are real sciences and you have to choose a real science. What was your did? Your Dad Study. Say He yeah. His background is in physics. My Mom's background is in microbiology. Elegy that was what they understood. Okay and I don't think they were afraid of all. The things appearance are afraid of like. She's never going to get a job. She's going to be destitute. She's going to move back comb. I live with my mom right now. By the way so every day I best laid plans of mice and men yes is what you're like an international traveler your about to move to Sumatra. It's true there are reasons that I decided to move in with my mother to help take care of her as well but You know like I said this is their plan but so brains like do you start with molecular biology. Where when you decide okay? I want to figure out how this weird big lump of stuff in my bone bowl in the head works like where do you even begin with that you start with like neural anatomy. Do you start with chemistry of it like for me. The Eureka moment was I was taking organic chemistry because you know typical freshman. Kim What everybody has steak and I was also taking bio psychology. which is the closest I could get to a site class and still like have this be approved and I should clarify that? I started college really young so I was probably fourteen or fifteen at this time. So Oh hot. My parents were still approving my course load so I was restricted in what courses I could take based on their approval. Oh my God I've known you for four years and I. I did not know that you started college at fourteen or fifteen. Yeah Yeah I started at a junior college which you know your first two years are the types of course it straight take their and I transferred to a four year college much later. Oh my God I don't think I was wearing a broad fourteen. I wasn't either. Your parents would have obviously like help figure out what courses you're gonNA take so bio kind of backfired because I was in bio psych and they laid out in the book and in the lecture the pictures of the different neurotransmitters the chemicals in our brain that sort of determined the brain functionality that translates it's into behavior and I would just learn from my organic chemistry class. How to identify the critical chemical functionalities? Like that's an oxygen group I canno- each group Hydroxyl Drexel. That's that's a benzine ring and start to understand how those things sort of fit with our biology and that was like the Aha moment. If you're like quick word what is it benzene ring. It's not an oil gang but more elementary. It's six carbon atoms that are joined in a ring with a hydrogen atom stucked duct each and. She was like my brain loves this stuff now. Her Bachelors and biochemical and so far most of her college courses were more generally about the human body chemistry and didn't focus on the key parts of the human body as much so I didn't really go back to focusing on the brain until my senior year so all of my upper division electives were in neuroscience. And that's when I was like. Oh this is how I want to apply these things. What Okay Okay stupid question? What is the difference between nurse? CI- Neurology Neurobiology Molecular Neurobiology. I feel like if if you don't work with brains you're like kind of call it a neuro something or other like what. What are those different fields me? Okay so I I'm going to take you on a little journey okay. I am a first year graduate student. I have not yet chosen Alab I am. I met Caltech every single person that meeting a smarter than on me. I am incredibly intimidated and anxious and like really really need to do a good job. Otherwise I'm GONNA fail life and I go into my first meeting with the professor. That's going to be my PhD thesis adviser. But I don't know that at the time and I'm trying to impress him with how smart I am and I tell him I'm really interested in neurology and I'm really interested in brains and the things that brains do and he's like I'm going to stop you right there. I'll let you finish God. If you're interested in neurology then then you should be going to medical school. We don't do neurology here. Neuroscience is a science behind the brain. And we do research on how the brain works. Hey and we. PhD's and that's the type of science that we can do on the brain here. Are you still interested. And so that isn't ever the media reactive diarrhea and just myself from life loops when she knowing you're so anxious then your your whole life fighter flight system engage and you're kind of like to Numb to it and you're just like okay. Take the hit and keep rolling like keep going keep going. There's nothing you can do about it. So what is a neurologist. Exactly k they are physicians medical doctors with. MD's probably stethoscopes. I don't know who treat neurological neurological diseases and disorders that affect the nerves and spinal cord and of course the brain so you can show up in their office and say please doc fix me that is in urology. I I honestly don't know about this death scopes I just made that up. They might not even need them. But you get the general aesthetic and a neuroscientist studies the science science behind how the brain works and why the brain works so you have to have knowledge of some of that stuff but it's mostly like hypothesis driven an investigation Okay so a brain what is it. What is this big? Is it mostly fat. What is it is it proteins? What is it made made of? Yes all those good things. It's all fats and proteins and carbohydrates all smooshed together into a collection of different types of cells in eighty billion neurons. And they're all sort of smushed together and there's different types of those neurons. Those brain cells and their clustered together in different areas is and those different areas have specific functions that all have to work together and that sort of what we think of as that like the Orchestra Uh of the brain as an organ. But that's like not even wait. There's more there's like a whole other layer of cells. We call them glioma cells or Astra Chris Sites that help those neurons to function so it's not just neurons but there's like a whole other set of support cells and they're not even really support port cells because they're doing really important stuff and what the astronauts glioma cells. Do they do so many things. So my favorite type of support cell is the the cell that creates myla nation around electrons so that's like little wire insulator to help electric part of the signal. Go faster down the Axon of the neuron so I can like send if I Miss Ellen Yoursel and can send my message to you like way faster because of the installation and that's actually one of the last asked parts of brain maturation so when we talk about brains like not being fully cooked until mid twenties and we're still developing one of the last thing that things things that happens is that installation process goes in in that prefrontal Cortex area which is so important for decision. Making so Lille cells are support cell and glee all means glue because it was thought that Lille cells just kind of held all the neurons together kind of like a bunch of mashed potatoes around a pile of yarn but they do so much more than that and there are different types. That do different things. We won't go into all of them. But the Astra sites are star shaped hence astro and they give nutrients to neurons help repair damage and the only good Denver sites insulate the neurons in the brain by laying down this fatty cozy patting called mylan which is like rubber around electrical cord or a Snuggie that protects you from livewires now if you have Multiple Sclerosis like my mom Aka a fancy Nancy who taught you the best insomniac ever in this knowledge episode the Immune System of folks with MS likes to eat away at that mylan in 'cause nerve and signaling troubles just a side note. Thank you to all the neuroscientist andrologist working to find a cure for M. S.. We appreciate it and I want to interview about it please. Now why. Why is it important for these diva neurons to be so supported and so- insulated? What do they look like? What are they do now? Neurons themselves those. Those are long and have fingers at one end kind of can you explain what a neuron is they can be long. They can be short but the critical parts of the neuron are the cell body which is where all the good stuff happens just like a normal cell and the Exxon which is sort of like that long wire that connects one end to do whatever other cell wants to wants to talk to. There's projections both from on each side of the Neuron. I'm those would be considered Dende and rights and those Denver rights create the connections which we call synapses that are how cells talk to each other. So it's like sort of the main main parts so neurons their cell with a sometimes long acts on to reach out to other cells and little finger Dende rights at the end in. You may remember the centrality centrality episode with Casey Crap about trees so just think of the little branches at the end of the neurons. Those are rights. They also kind of look like if a bird had a bunch of toes us and then those toes had does. That's your brain. Okay so how are all these neurons just Chitchat in Gabon. They're shooting the shit running the show up there. What are you doing? My favorite part of neuroscience is the fact that neurons used both electricity and chemicals as like communication. Okay tell me about that. So so the really important part of neurons is that there's all of these little gates that are like regulating the ions flowing in and out of them and like ions they're like mcneese eum calcium sodium. These are really chlorine. There's a really important and they're just like constantly moving back and forth but because all of those ions are charged you get like the little electrical field from each of the different cells And so if I wanted to pass a signal to you it would start as there's an electrical field. That goes all the way down my accent. Dude opening and closing opening and closing ions but then it gets the end and can't transmit electricity to you because there's a little gap uh-huh and so what does this do the cells like okay. Crap we have to communicate to the alley cell. She likes Tonen. We're going to release Serotonin into this little gap. And so that's when the electrical signals gets converted into a chemical signal which you can read 'cause you speak the Serotonin own in language because you have little proteins on the ends of you like the end of your synapse. And you're catching all of those little serotonin molecules us and bringing them into you. And there's enough of them. It generates another electrical signal that you can send. Oh my God and how many cells are doing this. All the time in our brain lumps so I don't know how many sales would be active at a given time because it really depends on what we're doing but if you think there's like the eighty billion neurons and then there's like estimate like a hundred trillion synapses. Oh my God. That's not necessarily one synapse APPS per synapses per cell you can have more connections so this is a lot. Yeah we're the final number is a shit ton many many Zeros. Yeah okay so neural transmitters. This is like a mess. Chemical Messenger. That cells are sending to each other. And what are the main neurotransmitters we hear about dopamine and Serotonin and maybe nor Ephron but take me through some of the players here yeah so dopamine is like the media darling of the neurotransmitter world you have a lot of specific specific chemicals like three that you that you mentioned that are involved in a lot of behaviors but then there's other types of messengers As well so we have small peptides like we would say oxytocin which is not necessarily a formal neurotransmitter. But it's really critical Michael and modulating brain function and behavior for instance oxytocin. You may have heard as a neuro peptide not to be confused with oxycontin which is an opiate but oxytocin can promote bonding and feelings of comfort attachment with partners and members of a group or with babies and yes it does increase when you pet a dog which is why you probably would not follow around an unfamiliar goose in a park and pick up. It's Pu but you would for for your dog and not think twice now onto more neurotransmitters we use acetylcholine a lot. So that's neurotransmitter that I studied because of its relation to nicotine which I'm sure we'll get to an Acetylcholine is really important because it's like the fast acting neurotransmitters in the brains of few need to get got to sell to respond right away. A Seato calling might be the way to go. And it's so fast acting that its use in the body as well to help with muscle contractions. My God is text message of neurotransmitters transmitters at me just metex off and so a seato choline connect you more than just make you happy. Happy or alert is that does it cannot send all kinds of messages to. Yeah it can so if you think we talked about the brain. Being groups of different types of cells sells and each of those cell groups probably has like different layers of cells as well so the complexity in the brain is really really difficult. I think to to imagine each the different functional groups of cells different parts of the brain have connections to one if not many many others and they're all talking to each other. That's why I kind of call it the orchestra because they're all working together and if you think about each different system like maybe the string system is dopamine system and the brass section would be your norepinephrine everybody sort of is talking to each other but in different languages and it might be that. I'm sell that releases acetylcholine. But you don't have any receptors offers for that so you can't see my signal but somebody else can did you use that metaphor in your HD defense. Because I think it slaps you should've I didn't didn't the orchestra of the brain. I'm sure it's not orgin all. I think it's pretty good. I'm anyone else's used it. Okay so other folks have used this and it turns out because it's a really apt good analogy also when it comes to working on brains crystal used data from rodent brains to try to extrapolate what was happening in human brains including I guess her own. Did you ever have any potential crises. When you're like my brain studying brains brains brain brain's does it ever freak you out? No I think Carl Sagan quote we are the way for the universe to know itself and so I think that that's kind of how I how I feel as a neuroscientist. Do you ever think about certain reactions. You have to life for certain you're having a down day or an update. Are you ever thinking about like your orchestra like you're like horn sections going off. You're too of course does. Does that help you at all. When you're relating to other people thinking okay? Well this is not just as Persa jerker maybe this person is being sad for effect like do you think about them as like a concert of chemicals ever yeah I think obviously I can. That's what I'm thinking. Rationally thinking and using that prefrontal cortex to compose a logical flow around. Why somebody is behaving the way that they are but you know in everyday life? It's usually Lee more emotion driven reactively driven that teller brains evolved to react to external stimuli not necessarily to think and problem solve about them as is the first thing because you don't like is it a snake. I'm not sure if it's a snake I'm GONNA keep walking towards it until I'm absolutely sure ouch now I'm dying right like that's that's not how brains our brains work so I think when I can take a step back and think rationally about. Why is this person yelling at me? It is helpful. But that's you know I'm human just like everybody else and that prefrontal cortex that's right behind our forehead and that's that's the kind of meteor chunk shrunk that's evolved more recently. Yeah that's I think that's what we'd like to think of as one of the differentiating parts of human brains versus other animal brains and I wanNa comment about animal rains in a second But it's our ability to extrapolate to use logic and reasoning in to come up with a creative solutions to problems To not just react and to think about drunk downstream effects. That's what the prefrontal cortex helps us do But what I was GONNA say which is one of those myth busting things. I'm going to talk to Ali about neuroscience what do I want people to know about neuroscience. Okay the pop culture reference to the Lizard Brain. Yes yes okay okay. Okay let's go. Let's debunk this. Flimflam really bothers me. Okay Okay I was GONNA ask about it because it's often one used incorrectly okay. It's usually when when people say. Don't listen to your Lizard Brain Lizard Brian. Baby I think what they mean is. Don't listen to your limbic system. Okay or your mid brain or the center of your brain in which like emotions are generated and relevant But I think when that quote and I am blaming Sagan again for This when the Sagan quote of there's an alligator brain around which everything else is wrapped was put out there. He meant something even more basal. Jason like your brain stem and the parts of the brain that control respiration and heartbeat and those type of really really basic biological functions with the fact of the matter is is that lizards and reptiles actually have something similar to a cortex they do. Yeah they do. It's nothing like the giant. You know white matter that we have. It's nothing like the big prefrontal cortex that you'd see in primates but it's something that evolves similarly Mullaly NYC evolved. I mean Injustice period. And you you see like very similar wiring there so poor lizards. They're truly getting a bath. Also are alligators even lizards back in the serology episode. I asked Lizard expert Aaron McKie about it stupidest question alligators gators. They are lizards. No no no thank you for telling me that I just realized I was like. How big does a lizard kid isn't alley? Why isn't an alligator lizard? I'm sorry so much horse Puckett Flimflam debunked all at once. So you mentioned white matter and gray matter What is is the difference so why it matter is is basically the wiring? Okay so when you would you would say like there's a pathway between into brain regions and that's the white matter it's the connections and gray. Matter is more the cell bodies and Julia career stuff. Okay isn't it that way on it kind of is there like an apple skin on a brain not the way that you are describing it but we do have a barrier between the brain and the blood system that provides the glucose and other nutrients to the brain and that's the blood brain barrier is critically critically important to protecting the brain from all the things that were exposed to Can more things Li through that blood brain barrier than we realized. Are we finding that out. Probably penetrable and now we know that there's evidence of a lot more sort of transmission through that barrier than than we think but it really does protect us. I mean think about like all pharmacological that you've ever taken in your life and some of them can slip through and that's good because has we deem them to regulate our behavior and some of them are kept out by that barrier which is great because they could be potentially toxic. Okay we'll getting back to neurotransmitters. Okay Oh no I wanted to ask if you've ever touched a brain before so I had to get us off course I have touched rate is very delicate. It's like you don't WanNa make a lot of really fast. And they're preserved brains. I haven't touched Brayden of a person which some neurosurgeons have. I cannot speak week to what it's like to touch alive brain but one that's been preserved in Formaldehyde. It's very delicate. Is as Gooey as you think. uh-huh you when you're holding it if you're anything like me. Just there's an oppressive sense of responsibility. That happens when you're thinking about the life that that brain was really responsible for guiding I don't hold it for very long like held it and I kind of like felt the profound nature. What what I was doing and then I and then I gave it back to the technician? What was the setting here? What was the setting yeah honestly? This was in Undergrad Science. It's fair Ooh and that was just one of the really cool exhibits. There were mouse brains and a human brain and you know like other brains that you could just kind of like retouching play with. Wouldn't it be crazy if you donated your brain to science. And they're like you're just GonNa Science Fairs Young People. He'd be like shakes hands kissing babies not shake some babies with backwards. Okay so neural transmitters serotonin dopamine Stupid Question Fan. But what do they do. Do they have different roles in terms of our emotions sand very very different roles. Okay dopamine I'm going to start with because this is everybody loves AH dopamine story and with our dopamine we really wouldn't be motivated to do anything okay so it's really interesting in computer computer science when they talk about computers having rewards so that you can teach like artificial intelligence system that you're on the right track keep going income. We have similar words. You're on the right track. Keep going and dopamine is how our brains have been evolved to receive this reward awards so it makes us feel happy but not really happy and more just like pleasure. League things are good and anything that you would do that would keep you alive. Live elicits a dopamine response so eating drinking sleeping hanging out with your friends anything that you might enjoy you get a little bit of a dopamine hit so it's basically to keep us doing things that are going to keep the human race alive okay. Whereas Serotonin is more nuanced? It's not just pleasure. But it's mood and its sleep and it's really helping to modulate the way that those little dopamine hits are interpreted by the larger orchestra if that makes sense yeah and what happens when they get off. Is there not enough to send a signal to the next neurons. Is there too much. And why does it seem like a very slim percentage of people have a good balance like or maybe it's just living in L. A. or Internet culture. But I feel like everyone's like mirror. Transmitters are wack and no mine are so I mean unfortunately I want I want to respond to you philosophically Glee like when we first sequenced the human genome. The lead researcher on that project was the genome that they chose to sequence. Does that mean that. He's the most normal genome and every other genome is going to be compared to his. Maybe it was an arbitrary center center for science to pick. Yeah right okay. So quick aside there was the publicly funded human genome project the first public genome came mostly from a single anonymous male donor. I think this would be a sperm donor from Buffalo New York. But then aside privately funded genome research project project was launched by Geneticist J. Craig Ventner. Who later admitted that his DNA was among the first donor pool to be fully sequenced tossing his his own genetics into a research project was later addressed in the Journal? Science in an article bearing the headline not wicked perhaps but tacky and so so when we say off what is off ray really right so in the mental health profession. It's if you have different that interfering appearing with your ability to perform tasks in your personal or professional life your ability to be a part of society then. It's a difference that needs to be treated as abnormal rain so I don't know if we can say that they're necessarily off for us as an individual but they're definitely off for us as a group of humans at all need to act together. Does that make sense. Yes there's definitely differences and those differences can come from genetics. It can come from environment. It can come from a deputations to like trauma. An or differences in our early environment as our brains are still developing there. So many different ways is that we can develop differences in the way that our neurotransmitter systems function And what happens if we have too much dopamine. It seems like it is the more the merrier but it's also the way that it is dispensed. I guess like you described it in the addiction. -nology episode as like sprinkle or right and it's the intermittent release of dopamine. That keeps US going right if you have too much dopamine then you're probably not motivated wanted to do anything because you've got everything that you need so it's kind of like what you gift to the person that has everything. Your system is cool. So there's no reason to do anything. In early experiments around the DOPAMINERGIC system they allowed rodents to just self administer stimulation into their dopamine like whenever they wanted so this is like basically a too much dopamine situation because it makes you feel good so you're just gonNa keep saying saying yes please yes please yes please. And it basically interrupted all functions except for sleep so they just didn't do anything but like people well probably experienced this before like. You're in a really good early stage of your relationship. You don't eat like you sleeps disrupted all you WanNa Lendu is like read your text messages over and over and over again or check your phone to see if you've got another one. Your normal function is disrupted because you've got dopamine seen floating around in their levels at your totally not used to and there's probably some oxytocin in there as well like really fucking things. Oh my God wait so then. What point does that decline? Is that like the two year period of like I think we get used to it. Yeah right and then and we can sort of like mellow out and become more normal the rats. Some of them died because they didn't eat or really do anything because they were just super happy. Pressing that lever for their dopamine hit. So don't do that. Just pathologically fulfilled no side side note. I read one article. Estimated four years was when dopamine starts to wane but I really should ask psycho neuro endocrinologist or perhaps a biological logical anthropologist about it but if things are starting to feel a little stale with partner some researchers think that doing scary or novel things together like I dunNo zip-lining or coin to haunted houses or Costco on a Saturday. Those things can get those new romance brain juices who says squirting again okay. What happens if you don't have enough dopamine? If you don't have enough dopamine it depends on what parts of your system murderess repton but most of the classical symptoms that we see for like Adhd or depression or even anxiety and and in some cases usually have to do at disruption of the dope means. That's why it gets all the media attention to classic depression as Lower levels of of dopamine gene means that like just not having the same response that someone that doesn't have depression like to your to your dog or to. Do you know normal things in your life that would normally make you happy. You're tired lethargic. There's a lack of motivation. And you just aren't getting pleasure from the the task that you normally would and so it's like that grayness that lack of color everything sort of seems blah. That would be what it would be like to do not have enough dopamine in your system and is that because the dopamine isn't being produced at high enough levels or it's just like not making the jump between the neurons. That's something that is sort of on an individual basis but I would say overall it's probably your system isn't able able to produce enough dopamine so there's all these little like packages of the dopamine chemicals that are sitting at the terminals like near the synapse like just ready for the signal L. Like us we're ready to go and someone that has lower numbers of those little vesicles those little dopamine packets like even if episode like Okay Go Release All the doping that you have is going to be a lower level less packages of dopamine released than like what we would considered to be a normal cell And then what about Serotonin. Then if does serotonin play a big part in depression and anxiety Ian Adhd as well all of the other things that all of us have the problem with the orchestra is that you. You can't just remove one and the section right like they all they all work together. So yes they're definitely serotonin definitely implicated in pretty much like everything and nor preferences implicated in pretty much everything. But it's just a matter of what is the major contribution right so serotonin and depression. We're we're used to thinking about. SSI arise which are selective Serotonin reuptake inhibitors. which that's the medication that we we are giving to people with depression? And why is that we want more serotonin to be floating around in that synapse in that space between the two cells Dell's we wanted to be sitting around longer so that signal to continue elevating. Your mood is a bigger signal. So there's usually these little pacmans that live live in that space between the two cells collect all of the leftover molecules and bring them back into the cell like okay. We don't need you anymore. So you're gonNA come in live back in this this elegant and if we inhibit those little like pacman collectors then you get more chemical in that synapse and that raises is the probability that the next cell is going to have a prolonged signal from that neurotransmitter. Okay so by Cock blocking the neurotransmitter gablers there will be more in the spaces between the neurons to deliver messages Kinda like if you cancelled a neurotransmitters lift and you just kept him at the party longer. Here like sorry. We Love Avenue around her granite conversation. We love this signals. You said this is a question that I I have had for years but I feel like I read somewhere. That neuroscientist don't really know how anti-depressants we're now true. There's there's so many medications it's in Lake. I'm sorry big Pharma there so many medications that we don't actually understand the molecular mechanism for but if it works and there's the side effects aren't too bad just like just put it out there and it'll help people. Oh my God okay. So we don't totally know how Esser is work. We just know that the a certain percentage of people when they take them or like fill a better way know exactly how they work We don't know why they work. Mark like we don't know why keeping the Serotonin or the norepinephrine or dopamine around in the synapse and increasing the signal leads to the behavioral changes because a level of compl- week. We can ask molecular questions like that's a level. I like to look at because it's a lot got more concrete. We get answers there. But the like multiple layers of complexity from woolwich cells are getting the attenuated signal and what brain regions are those cells is in. Oh but it's this brain region but it's only those brain layers of that brain region and what are those particular active regions during when they're working in concert. And how does that map to genetic background of this individual and and the external stimulus and why why does that mean that giving this. Sri Four weeks later. This person is willing to get off the couch. We don't know I always wondered about the lag time there because that is the toughest I and I know that this is like a psychopharmacology question but that is the toughest of it's like. Hey you're depressed take this thing then six weeks there's a twenty percent chance you feel. Let her faith and lucky for me like you know. We'll not for me but I. I tried a few different medications for anxiety depression before I found with a works. I've mentioned this in in another episode but I tried eight genetic tests to see which anti anxiety or antidepressants will work. Better for me and I ended up going with something that was recommended. It was an S.. NRI But you should do your own research. I did a ton of reading and I decided I didn't much to lose and I tried to company gene site which has a sliding scale super affordable. They are not a sponsor but it helped. But your mileage definitely Mai Berry Anyway. Let's move on to crystals research on Nicotine Addiction. And what did you learn about how how addiction works. Having studied the mechanisms behind it nicotine. Yeah so for a nicotine. It's it's super crazy like you actually when you're exposing yourself itself to nicotine you're actually changing the way that proteins in your brain are expressing. So they're like Oh cool. I really like this I would. I would like it again. I would like it in a specific way so I'm going to change the way that I'm making the proteins in my cells so that they are better able to bind wind and respond to this drug that I have now been exposed to a know exists in the world and so what does Micatin do does it does it. Wedge itself where a different neurotransmitter era transmitter should be. Yes so nicotine looks a lot like acetylcholine okay. So the receptors that bind nicotine also by Acetylcholine okay they are called Nicotinic acetylcholine receptors. Of course they are like dominated my life for five years but what looks similar to a protein Odeen might not actually look similar to us so acetylcholine is the one that's responsible for those muscular contractions. It's super fast. Acting scientists also think it may affect memory and attention and crystal produced from her purse to molecular models as one does so she showed me that nicotine. Nicotine is a double ringed molecule with two nitrogen and Acetylcholine has one nitrogen that's crowded with methyl groups which are three hydrogens bonded bonded to a carbon but in a nutshell crystal describes both molecules is having similar friends AKA carbon atoms. They give them kind of an analogous bulk when it comes to fitting into the same receptors. So they look similar enough to the receptor that it responds in the same way. Got It so it's like when you're doing a puzzle and you find a piece that doesn't quite fit but you Jamat in and then it fucks. Everything else is pretty much exactly like I should have just said that. That's exactly what's happening. And so how do some people who might be say predisposed to that kind of addiction. How do they have a better chance? It beating it if they want to. If they're like I'm done with you vaping I'm done with you like cigarettes. What are they do? Look beating addition is really challenging because you have learning and memory component and then you have chemical dependence pendants component especially for smoking. Because you'll be like oh I'm done I don't smoke anymore I'm successful and then you'll have one drink drink too many and suddenly got a cigarette in your hand and you're not exactly sure why and there's a chemical reason for that but there's also learning and memory component like you definitely be ear addiction to smoking at work and at home. You did not beat the addiction to smoking at the club. The Club family. 'cause you you've learned you have three drinks then you go outside and you have smoke. So it's those behaviors that can really hang up recovery. Nicotine is actually one of the most addictive substances. So I was listening to the addiction. -nology episode that you did and there's a lot of really really terrible. Withdrawal symptoms like withdrawing from alcohol is potentially lethal. So you need to be careful when you've seen media depictions of withdrawal from heroin for for instance which looks like it's one where everyone's like. Oh my God I'm being attacked by bugs and my skin is h. e.. I need to get my skin off. That's awful. You're not going to get that if you try and quit smoking taking but once you go through those really really awful terrible withdrawal periods. You have a really good chance of not doing those drugs again. Whereas with nicotine eighteen like it can come back really at any time? Okay so what can one do. Is there any promise when it comes to like meditation and Mindfulness. Dennis and breathing exercises. Can you retrain your brain through healthier behaviors at all. Yeah you can definitely retrain your brain You can also through meditation Asian. Mindfulness and cognitive behavioral therapy reduced the reason. You're smoking at all. So we see smoking behaviors especially with an addict see but yeah like people that are addicted to nicotine. oftentimes are in response to other things. So schizophrenics annex have a very specific smoking behavior. We think they're trying to self medicate veterans comeback not even with PTSD but just come back from really traumatic experiences. Possibly there smoking. In the characteristic way that they smoke to reduce activity in there and Magdala. So you may remember the Migdal from the two-part Hugh Part ferrallonthebench episode in. It is a little brain nugget that I liked think of as screaming almond of terror. So some folks folks may self administer nicotine to appease their shrieking almond does itself problems. No it only makes life worse. Blame your almond and then try to outsmart it. There's lots of different indications that could cause somebody to smoke heavily. That would make quitting harder. Is that it all the same when it comes to anxiety or depression or ADHD. Are there any kind of a situational triggers that might affect our levels of neurotransmitter transmitter. Yeah that's a problem. So we have that learning and memory as I was saying component. So we've learned. Something is dangerous to us. Even if it's not then then. Our bodies are going to continue to respond to it that way. And Jeff do re-train. No that's not like some people are scared of dogs. Some people are scared of people her or stakes. My mom is terrified of snakes and was my brother-in-law and he is like a six foot four heavy metal guitarist with hair down to his waist and he can see a steak on TV. He's like darn it off Yup Yup. That's exactly the same way. She gets like the chills because and then she like runs out of she issuance out of the room and so if she decided that was something that she wanted to learn to not be afraid of. There are ways through like overexposure other therapeutic methods that I don't know anything about by no exist to rewire the brain. Probably that direct signal nell of snake. Fear is never going to really go away but you might be able to add a layer regulation like snake. Check point okay. I'm going to react in a different way instead of I'm going to react with my fear response and will your neurons form new pathways. Will they kind of make canoe channels. You are referring to neuro plasticity looted Yeah you can definitely create new connections We're we're doing that all the time. If we couldn't do that we wouldn't be able to learn anything new and we wouldn't be able to teach babies all the things that they need to learn in order to be competent humans. I mean I've got to assume there's some of those out there so yes through using particular pathways particular connections in the brain. You can make those connections stronger. You can recruit other connections to make that pathway larger. I like to think of it as like you start out with like a hiking trail that we were told was a trail and Google. The maps isn't really habit on there. You need a machete. And you're kind of like hacking through it the jungle in here but if you walk that trail many many times eventually becomes mm so much easier to use and you can eventually become like a six lane superhighway. That's very very fast to go down. And that's the preferred method because our brains are really really lazy. I don't WanNa do things. They don't want to think about anything they just WANNA react. Because that's how we stay alive and so if you can train your brain taking the path that you want it to take actually easiest and allows it to be the most lazy then you can influence the path that it chooses to take without you cognitively having into control it all the time so practice makes a habit kind of talk. That's good to know. I have a gym membership that I have not used them like English okay can I ask you questions from patrons yeah okay now before we dive into the questions that you submitted on Patriot. A few words about sponsors you. You make it possible for allergies to donate to different 'cause each week now crystal is once again and then stem ambassador for the hill foundation which works with a few nonprofits. So that's already amazing. But she chose donation to go to the GENA DAVIS INSTITUTE ON GENDER and media founded by J Davis who said what our children see sets. That's the framework for what they believe is possible. 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And also this definitely warrants like a psychopharmacology. Yes because absolutely I think that given all of the the the response tell and all the questions you definitely need like a psychiatrist on my interest Allah just this podcast is not intended to diagnose or treat uh-huh okay. A lot of folks had questions about this Jack Jennifer Alvarez Elise Anna Thomson Grace Lauren. Rachel Thompson panic back or panic either way Donald Macgregor Pandora to Rebecca Lynn. Weisselberg GIULIANA ARE ESL and Penny Lee and generic Eric Nikki all asked about ADHD. Jack said very very plainly I have. Adhd what exactly is wrong with my neurotransmitters and so oh yeah all those folks. And I'm curious to sometimes I'm like twenty hd so classically ADHD is described as a disruption of the dopamine system MHM. But I think that there's a lot to be said for the involvement of other neurotransmitters. We like to talk about Serotonin but actually think that norepinephrine is is more relevant to Adhd specifically because norepinephrine is responsible for attention and alertness. So when when you're norepinephrine system is working you are. You're awake and you're alert when it's really activated. It's telling you there is something you need to pay attention attention to right now and be very weak and maybe run. You never know when you may have to jam and so the attention needed to perform and complete a task task was associated with north. Burn Ephron sort of cycling. So there's a lot and then there's not so much then there's a lot and then there's not so much it's like just enough off to kind of keep you on task and motivated and that motivation also comes from dopamine. But when it's tonic when it just kind of like at an okay K.. Level and just kind of like plugging along. There's really no reason for you to maintain attention because it's not telling you to do so and so you're like I I wanna feel good about something and then when you go looking in search of dopamine dopamine in. ADHD people is a little bit lower so they're constantly looking for for stimulus. It's GonNa pop that up so that they can feel good. Oh Wow why do you think so. Many people have. ADHD are getting diagnosed with it. And I know so many people who you're diagnosed later in life like why. Why do you think it's so prevalent? I don't have a good answer for that. Yeah there's a lot of discussions people have about our technology training has to have. ADHD about the fact that we have declared a thing kind of promoting the diagnoses of it in not being able to compare pair to twenty years ago. To know if it really is increasing in prevalence. Because we've just started diagnosing it. This is the argument. That's used for a lot of things so I don't really. We have a good answer for you but I think that it might be that we're just becoming aware of our differences and ADHD is a way for us is to label those differences. Sometimes that's a good thing but it isn't always. I know that there's a lot of really smart really really energetic and curious kids that get diagnosed with Adhd and it might just be because have a hard time handling that level of energy and curiosity. Okay Okay quick aside I looked this up and adult. ADHD diagnoses rose. One hundred into twenty three percent between two thousand seven and two thousand sixteen and the prevalence of ADHD ADHD and. Kids went up twenty six percent so many researchers think it's just awareness of symptoms. That's driving more people to get evaluated for it and I know so many many folks with Adhd some diagnosed in adulthood that just wish they knew sooner Also tell you that in the process of writing this side Jarrett was typing keeping really loudly on his keyboard and I got distracted so I went and got the headphones that I'd lost for about six months but just found then in the process of wandered into the kitchen to make them watch a lot and then I sat back down but I got an email so I ended up checking my credit score for awhile anyway. Okay yes. ADHD awareness. It's up more people might have it then they realize and and then what about treatment for Adhd. I know like an phetamine salts are sometimes prescribed. What is that doing to the dopamine? Or what is that What is that helping level out out so when I learned about this which was a while ago We were talking about the use of amphetamines in the concept of homeostasis so our entire system is designed to keep us in a certain region of activity. Alertness awakeness we want to maintain that Homeo- Stacy's because when we get thrown out of it we get disease and a lot of terrible things and so when you take adhd brain and you give it an phetamine you're releasing using a lot of norepinephrine releasing a lot of adrenaline. You're releasing a lot of dopamine and that's like throwing you way up so in a way it's compensating for the things that you might not have enough of but it's also telling here buddy. Hey as a complete system you better pay attention to what's happening here because something has gone crazy and it's forcing your system to level you out so if you don't have those discrepancies though the lower level of dope means and you take an amphetamine then you've completely league. You've thrown your entire system into a whole other solar system which is is for some people. Good that's why we love cocaine because we love a lot out of dopamine and we want that to hang around for a while but usually ends up in really really bad results right but if you are already low on the the dopamine than it just levels you off to wear maybe a neuro. Typical person might be OV. That's fascinating so the first line of therapy for ADHD usually medication. And why is that. Well it works in up to eighty percent of folks suffering with Adhd if the dosage is right but the best strategy doctors say is combining strategies strategies so exercise some supplements like fish oil and magnesium have been shown in some studies to improve thumbs and being around nature every day can also be effective effective either way there is no shame adhd game super common and there are treatments out there. And yes I wanted to do a whole episode on this now besides everyone wakes except pours themselves a Piping Hot Cup of stimulants anyway right but one of the interesting things about homeostasis is that It doesn't have to be like it's something that our body he does naturally and it doesn't necessarily have to be drug related although like the there's a really great story about homeostasis and coffee so if you go through the same morning routine when you wake up and you go down you're about to press the button on your coffee maker MC maybe the sound of the coffee maker and the sound sound of coffee going into the pot or the cup. Your body knows. I'm about to get some caffeine. So we'll depress it system in anticipation of the stimulation and from Caffeine. So that's why like replacing. Your coffee with DECAF is like a really terrible trip to play on people. Because you'll actually we get more depressed than than you would otherwise because your body has depressed system waiting for the stimulant and then it has not gotten it back. Yeah so be really careful with your routine. Oh my God I still use the routine. We have caffeine binds lines to the thing that makes you sleepy. It takes the place so caffeine interacts with receptors dinner scene receptors are just kind of open a and waiting for the didn't seem to come and it comes in. It binds them and if enough denizen blinds enough of the receptors. And it's like okay. We're sleepy now. We're we're going to go to bed. But Caffeine comes in and sits in that binding site and prevents the binding the receptor but doesn't activate them so they can't get in and the receptors like waiting for a signal that never comes in like ha ha. You're awake now forever so yes caffeine. Clean it swoops in and takes the seat of the sleepy chemical kind of like musical chairs and it blocks the snazzy feelings but what if you are staring at the ceiling and not even the fancy nancy trick of thinking of a category like fruits or cities or star wars characters and then going down the alphabet. Thinking of things in that category. That's with each other is working. Is it best. It gradually taper off. Kathy like if you need to if you needed to like why would did you stop drinking coffee and donuts understand the question so the coffee out. I don't know why anyone would do that. Okay a lot of people had questions about about the genetic levels of neurotransmitters like Rodley. Joe Portofino Corey Nevis Kinley Wallace Andrea essentially asked you know anxiety exile. Depression hereditary contagious Radley asked our imbalances. Neuro transmitter is more likely due to genetics or environment speaking of someone with a whole slew of mental illnesses and addicted behaviors in my family including myself and Radley. You're not alone. I feel like most of us are same basket going into thanksgiving. Winging everybody's GonNa know that they're in a family of nuts absolutely we all are all of us. There's so many ways that neurotransmitter levels can be affected definitely genetic says one of them definitely environment is another and things that were temporarily going through can influence it as well so like you've just experienced a traumatic loss. You are going to have differences in your neuro transmitter release but that is temporary and it will eventually eventually go back to what for you is a normal level and you're able to cope but some people that have genetic differences. What does that even mean? It could mean we. We produce different amounts of no transmitter. It could mean that are receptors. Have different responses to those transmitter than a neuro. Typical response is there so many different ways that the amount or the the reaction to a neurotransmitter can be affected by genetics or by environment. Mhm till the answer is yes. Yes very long yes answer so. Genetics can influence your neuro transmitter levels for sure but before you blame your parents for everything a whole bunch of factors also at play. So it's not you fancy Nancy. It's me or dad or caffeine. I drink or maybe jet lag or the fact that I haven't been to the gym in a month anyway what about SMARI's versus esser is a no Aurora Heather Gentry Gracie Zeca Leeann Chester. Rachel show POLITICA and Amelia. H All wanted to know. Do we know why different s arise and SNL rise have different effects on people Amelia H wanted to know is it just is the molecular structure. Heather entry a first time question asker so is Gracie Echo and they both kind of asked about increasing numbers of atypical focal anti-depressants and if the Serotonin and depression model is not correct if it's bigger than that is definitely bigger than that is definitely gently bigger than that. Especially when you're talking about the interplay between depression and anxiety and that's what I think of when I think of a combination of s s Sri's and S N R is So we're still talking about reuptake inhibitors. Were still talking about like the little molecules that go around collecting electing the neurotransmitters and shoving back into the cell that they originated from an waiting for the next opportunity to release them and inhibiting this process of keeping those those neurotransmitters in the synapse longer. So that you get a more prolonged signal. Now we're talking about changing the amount of Serotonin and urban surrender and tight trading those differences. That's why a lot of people have to try multiple different combinations of drugs until they find the one that works for them. Because their problem might be more serotonin or less serotonin might be more about more different inputs. Anxiety related it probably is less. Yeah I wonder if if that's why didn't do much for me but as a person with generalized anxiety disorder. Thanks very much. Ns NRI was helpful like what is happening within Europe and Efren when it comes to anxiety like is it going off is it is it. Oh Yeah I mean what I was saying nor epinephrine is keeping when you awaken and telling you what to focus on so generalized anxiety disorder. Not only are you awake. You're constantly having to focus on all the things that are chasing you like your just. Your attention is on all the things that could potentially kill you because your brains trying to keep you alive but it thinks that everything is trying to kill you so you have to pay attention to everything and then there's all the things and it gets really overwhelming because everything is trying to kill you and it's like living in Australia but yet it's like. This is like a terrible cycle for brains to get into into Australia. The land of shocks snakes and spiders US an angry kangaroos. I guess an angry kangaroo to who who gives you just one star Oh look kangaroo too. I said your name again. I feel like perhaps you're very empathetic to this particular in my experience up and so does an SNL riot. What exactly is doing to Nora? Ephron if it's a selective syrup and Ephron reuptake inhibitor does that is it good to have more effort between the cells yes it can be but it depends on the comparison levels to the other neurotransmitters. Okay right so you have. You're trying to balance dopamine Serotonin norepinephrine and get that right cocktail so that you get a harmony instead said of discordant dysfunction that makes sense that does make sense. I didn't realize that could be a good link. I always thought God Damn Nora Absence Screaming my brain yeah so yes. SNL Rise Affect both the European Ephron and the Serotonin and it's the balance that can be helpful. Although the first few weeks on center I can be rocky his hell and more stretchy as your brain adjusts and then becomes more chill so my brain asked me to tell your brain that as a heads up Nikki for I am question. Asker asked is the dopamine pathway activated when you eat an Oreo while studying like it would be when you smoke a cigarette. What what is that? Oreo your question okay. So I'm going to assume that the reason we're talking about orioles is because there is a paper that showed that mice prefer Oreos to cocaine and then it was used in mainstream media to promote many popular but scientifically irrelevent headlines. LegCo sugar is more addictive than cocaine and a bunch of other things so. I'm just going to substitute Oreo for Parmesan Goldfish. which is what I eat when studying gene and yeah very very different things so we're talking about sugar and carbohydrates and feeding your brain in a certain way? There's definitely definitely dopamine release when you're eating food because that's one of the things that are going to keep you alive and that's what dopamine is therefore. Have we gotten this point enough. I'm not sure. Let let me reiterate it dopamine is released to when you encountered things that keep you alive. The nicotine completely different so nicotine is a cognitive enhancer. So it's probably helping helping your prefrontal cortex function and it's shown to help decrease anxiety so it's probably interacting in your Migdal to reduce stress us and facilitating better studying. Okay side note. Just Google oreo plus cocaine. That study is everywhere. It was cited by pretty much every news outlet in the known universe and a professor who worked on the study stated at twenty. Thirteen press. Release that he quote hadn't touched an Oreo since the experiment limit. But it's unclear if that's because of their addictive implications or just because watching rats pick apart any food with their tiny clawed feet feet for years on end tends to Kinda tarnish its appeal now speaking of full little belly's so this is a good segue to the gut Bam and End Living Miller. Brigid Hawk Schneider K B. Maybe Isabel Christine Hottinger Cure Gallon. Mackenzie Campbell Generic Nikki Elise. Eileen gene Mackenzie Camel Stephon Williams Jen. Anna and Michelle Lee. All asked about how many of our transmitters are made in our guts and do we have have any leads yet on good foods for good neurotransmitters Christine Hunter that is how do I eat myself happy. Well actually there's been in a lot of recent studies on the microbiome and the influence of food on mood and we've always known even before we identify that the microbiome was a thing that Diana it had huge impact on mood and of course we always talked about sort of blood sugar activity and how crashing after a a lot of sugar can influence our Muslim and make us depressed. But what. I think that we're really asking about here. Is the chemicals that are released by the bio. Yeah one of those chemicals has been shown to be serotonin which is one of the really really big findings in that field and like in the neuroscience field too because we thought Oh neuro transmitters are synthesized in the neurons but yeah I guess not always I guess there can be Serotonin and potentially other neurotransmitters just kind of floating around in your in your bloodstream. Fancy meeting you here. Does it influence mood. Yes probably are there particular. superfoods that you can eat to raise your serotonin probably not but what we eat. Definitely does influence the different types of microorganisms and the ratios of those microorganisms in our gut. So I can't tell her what to eat to make herself happy but if she finds a particular type of Diet that does make her happy. She's not just. It's not all placebo right. It's not just in her head if he had her exactly I I think that's so bananas. That so much tone is made in our in our simmering. Pu Tubes who knew who knew it is crazy and I think about that too sometimes. Times when I'm I'm like on a particular binge of like very very unhealthy food and I'm like how long I have to eat healthy to readjust the ratios of gut bacteria. Because I know that I'm feeding at a certain type of sugar or just a lot of sugar that like there's going to be overgrowth of one population MHM microbiome apologizing to the potentially more valuable and rarer bacterium's in my gut like. I'm sorry I know overfeeding overfeeding th I. If you like Sim city. You'll love the GUT by. Oh yes. That's so true. It's like real world consequences for more on this topic you can see last November's microbiology episode with Dr Elaine. Chao who herself says she tries to eat a very diet so oh give your microbes natural foods that would help them. Thrive I e not oreos or cocaine which was in soft drinks in till the early nineteen hundreds rates which is just bananas Okay speaking of Guzzling up a few people asked about alcohol. Lindsey Defago h Anna Thompson and Emmanuel Sanchez. Asked what's going on in the brain with different drugs and controlled substances like alcohol and Emilia h ranch now. Why is alcoholism in heritable trait? Oh alcohol is so interesting because it. There's no like alcohol receptor. Oh Lick it. Doesn't it doesn't act. On a particular receptor the way that I was describing bribing acetylcholine and nicotine it. Like sort of cosies up to the receptor and is like soft influence. We would call it. Alistair modulation elation okay. So it doesn't like bind to the receptor in there and caused or sceptre to do anything but it affects the way that the receptor response to the molecules that it's really we supposed to be talking to so it can make it open like easier into it. Needs like less drug or less neurotransmitter before response. John's so it's very sneaky and insidious in terms of the activity in the brain. Alcohol has anyone who has been drunk. Like you know it affects your motor control on your muscles as well so has more than just Brain brain effects but in the brain. It acts in that Alice. Derek sort of soft soft soft power kind kind of way and does it kind of mess with frontal CORTEX activity like does it in terms of like loss of inhibition and maybe maybe less control over emotion. Yeah it it this inhibits the inhibitory neurons. Okay at that right. It's like uh-huh active. Alcohol is a double negative. Okay so it works on your inhibitory neurons. Oh okay. That's why won't sit there normally leg on Lake I'm inhibiting and I'm doing my job and then I'll cost like take a break. Crystal says the alcohol affects dopamine in Serotonin Gabba which is a neurotransmitter that helps maintain calm and glutamate pathways which affect memory but just as your college roommate may may have just lived for Friday yeager shots and you have never finished a beer. Different people have different genetic influence how receptors respond to alcohol. But the main main point is it doesn't just affect dopamine to become addictive and scientists. They're still figuring out how it all works neuro science. It's complicated. Who Knew I mean all of us literally all of us? Okay now on the topic of substances a bunch of people did ask about recreational Jazz at arsia Rebecca Landry. Joe Portofino him at Alonzo Kevin List. James Bolio Cassie Kerry. Bring him all kind of asked. Hey what's what's going on with recreational or ritualistic drugs Like Iowa Ska Kevin List asked. What are your thoughts on microdosing for mental health issues like depression and I just wanted to know Flimflam or not is suicide been ineffective treatment for medication resistant psychiatric condition? So what's going on with magical things things magical things are like. It's if one aspect of the orchestra went completely came on steroids. If me you showed up and there was like thirty seven cello and like four of all of the other instruments whatever that would sound like. That's kind of what recreational drugs do. They put things completely out of out of balance and we experienced the a a new reality through that lens like brains are basically making a guest at our realities anyway. AM So we experienced a brain best guests at what is actually happening right now. Your whole reality is just a picture that your brain has painted based on what it sensing. How weird is that? What is even real and so when the predictions of the brain or the the way that the system that is the brain tries tries to date or interpret these completely out of whack situation? That's when we get the fun that is recreational drugs breath what happens with psychedelics particular neurotransmitter. That is just going off. A lot of them are acting on the SEROTONIN system. Okay because there are Tonen is like when it's sort of a mud it's a modulation it's more global than what of the other neurotransmitters I would say. So when you've got a bunch of serotonin dumped into the system. You have a lot of different brain regions that are all like trying to cope with life. Is that why people will take supplements like I five. Ht will do like molly or something like that. You can deplete the amount because your brain is synthesizing those molecules. There's a limited number of them if you think about a factory production it only goes so fast so you can only produce so many toys or so many cars or you can only produce so many molecules of your particular neurotransmitter transmitter. And so if you have taken molly or one of these recreational drugs that has dumped a whole bunch of neurotransmitter into your brain and you've been unlike back stroking through those happy molecules while it's time for your brain to go back to normal because it's no longer getting those signals. There's like has nothing left to give literally and so giving it. Some precursors for the molecules that it needs to replenish is sort of a way of helping it get get back to normal because you're skipping a few steps in the assembly line got it so you're not left high and dry like literally high and actually dry dry of the good brain juices now. This next topic was on the minds of patrons Jonah Rokvic Graham Tattersall Maria Generic Nikki Sydney Manziel Donnie walled first time. Mindfulness Question Asker Jennifer Tran. And first time question Asker Ashley Beatty. Who wondered about the impact of Meditation on anxiety and depression specifically and now? What about meditation? Yoga things like that. Do you ever use any of it to you. Feel like you should be using it. I think it's definitely a good place to start one of those people that is like why would you pay gym membership. If you just go outside and run and then I stay inside the entire dame and that's how I feel about my about mindfulness like it's something that you can do quite easily. You know that there's positive effects like there's been scientific civic papers that have shown that there are positive effects of meditation practice of mindfulness practice. That really does help quiet. Some of the over activity in the Camila that we see in Lake Western Society for instance. So why not do it. I don't I probably shouldn't it would definitely help me a lot. So do as I say not as I do. Okay doctor okay. What is your least favorite thing about neuro science about brains or about your life as a doctor? Brain essentially on TV and an all over the world neuroscience is really hard to do without actually touching that tissue that you're trying to study and so we use a lot lot of model brains in order to learn the things that we learn which is really challenging. Because a lot of the even the information that I was sharing with you today we know this to be true for mice and rats and we assume that it is also true for humans to the best of our possible ability liberty. But as far as I know we aren't able to like do the same type of experiments on humans so a lot of what we know is inferred right. Would you ever Donate your brain to science. What do you think I think it'd be? It'd be a terrible test subject like I. I'm always in the outlier. Like I never feel that. I am a good representation tation of the mathematical average of a human anything. So I feel like my brain would give wrong data or like not accurate. The data anything that actually speaks to there was an earlier question about like. Why don't we know how these things work and it's like well we can know things? He's pretty accurately for a particular breed of mouse or particular breed of rap because they're all exactly the same they're all clones of each other so it's really easy for us to know what's going on there. We can't clone humans. We can't do research on humans so all of the genetic background all of the environmental differences. All of those things mean that. We're we're really just kind of guessing at what's going to work for the average population isn't it kind of crazy. We just have clones like animal. Clones around weird is that of her curfew out. It doesn't really creeped me out but I guess because I mostly work with bacteria and with mice and they're not it's it's easy to not see them necessarily having personalities. Yeah I guess but I never. I never raised mice beneficiary of people that did mouse experiments. But I never actually had a colony of Mice Iowa's raising an I know that neuroscientists that do work directly with life. Behaving animals would absolutely tell. Tell me that I'm crazy. But they have they have personalities and differences even though genetically. They're the same. Do you hear that Barbra streisand clone her dog and and she thought she was getting one. And they're like will you have four and she was like oh no she'd like giving away the liquor assistance daughter something she's like I didn't I didn't think I'd give four all of them. It's true Barbra streisand. Mr Dog Samantha so much that she had four more made from a swab ver- cheek now the runt of that litter sadly died but but she kept two of the other ones and the third she says a thirteen year old daughter of my an arm and bonded with one of the clones so I gave him the puppy so there you go clones. They're all over the place. It is just like not a big shrug. What's your favorite thing about your job or neuroscience or the brain? I mean I think that we we are inherently selfish and that we really like to know things about ourself and neurosciences is kind of like my way of trying to understand this like human conditions condition. So you know brains. Are there really intense. And they want everything to have meaning and they will subscribe meaning to things mm set really. There is no purpose to and so. I think that's probably just like what I'm trying to do with my meaningless life is to figure out you know why why humans question mark and why me. That's the best title for a biography. 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Wardah Khalid  Policy analyst, activist, and speaker on U.S. foreign policy and her role in strengthening Muslim-American engagement with Congress

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Wardah Khalid Policy analyst, activist, and speaker on U.S. foreign policy and her role in strengthening Muslim-American engagement with Congress

"We need more people of color. We need more south asians going into politics and international affairs. It's so important and also finally just to raise your voice talked about reaching out your member of congress. Please also get involved. Hello and welcome to south asian stories where we hear from south asians around the world uncovered their identities successes failures and most importantly stories. I'm your host samir desai in this episode. I chat with wada colleague. Wardha is a pulse analyst activists and speaker on us foreign policy in the middle east as well as refugee immigration and islam in america she currently works on capitol hill as an ap a ics congressional fellow and is the founder and president of polygon education fund a national civic education and advocacy organization dedicated to strengthening muslim american engagement within congress has significant experience advocating on refugee and immigration policies with face space ngos and advising members of congress the white house and the state department on the iran nuclear negotiations as well as human rights issues pertaining to the syrian and israel palestine conflicts her. Un efforts include consulting for the un cdt on lone wolf. Terrorism field work with a unrwa in jordan has working with the undp and the permanent mission of the organization of islam corporation in new york or the is also a security fellow with the truman. Nash security project american muslim civic leadership institute as well as the us as the us usc center for religion and civic culture and a formal scoville failure value. Not only to that war. That was recognized by abc's nightline as one of the country's top millennial activists her writing and commentary has been featured in outlets including the washington. Post cnn the guardian npr us news. World report al jazeera america and rt's she previously authored. The young american muslim block for the houston chronicle and hosted the show reality check on one legacy radio. So that's a lot so this conversation we discuss. How would that change career careers from accounting to international affairs and never looked back to what is like to speak to a member of congress personally and the process behind it as was the wire does in involvement in iran nuclear deal and being part of history. I truly enjoy. This conversation is really made me evaluate my civic duty and how much i don't know about my state and local representatives so without further ado. Please enjoy my conversation with the colleague that welcome to south asian stories. Where so excited to have you. how are you doing. Yeah thanks for having me. I'm excited beer. I'm doing great wells. Can be under social distancing. Yeah so this is a special interview and and because like the world is i feel you know in a in a state of turmoil and we are eating our feelings away on both ends. But we're making it work. Yeah exactly accurate. So i'd love to start out a little bit about your background. You know after reading your bio and learning a lot more about you. It seems that you've come from a very interesting place to where you are now so definitely want talk about that journey but can you stock start at the beginning of where you grew up in what your childhood was like. Yeah sure so. I grew up in the houston. Texas area I am the oldest of five kids and my parents are immigrants from pakistan. And i grew up in a pretty suburban neighborhood that did not have a lot of diversity. We had enough in our school where there like different fades and there were people from different ethnic backgrounds so that we knew we were not completely living in a bubble but it was also not super diverse We didn't have an msa. melson soon. Association or asian students association or anything like that. It was very Very regular school think there was maybe like one christian club Was i had pretty normal childhood. I went to texas. A&m university for college. And that was actually. I think where. I was exposed. More to south asians there And it was a really nice experience to be able to see people from similar background Very involved in school their school clubs and things like that And so from there. I i studied accounting and business. I wrote for my school newspaper Called the battalion wasn't opinion columnist in a news writer there And then yeah. I graduated and worked at deloitte for three years. As a cpa certified public accountant doing corporate tax returns and was very. It was exactly how you would expect to do me. It was very. I mean it was a great experience it. I'm so glad that i started there. Because it really taught me about corporate efficiency and working with teams in managing people in it has given me a lot of skills that have helped me in future jobs in as walls. Running my own nonprofit which i do now But just the work itself for me was not enough on to hold my interest in the way that things policy in current events were holding my interest so i decided that i wanted to make shift and changed careers and went into international affairs. So that's kind of how i started out. Yes so a few questions on that international affairs something that people think about. They do debate. They do other things that get them. Interested world events. Was that something that was an interest for you growing up. Or how did you get into that. I wasn't real international affairs per se as a kid. I mean i think having immigrant parents international just comes up in regular conversation so my dad is very big into history and really would enjoy talking about these things than you would overhear uncles talking about politics and things like that so you were always aware of it you know. They're listening to us south asian radio station. That always would have news from abroad so something. I was exposed to and aware of But for me personally. It didn't really click as much until the iraq war and invasion in afghanistan and president obama's time so i just i was towards the end of college and our muslim students association did an event call about islamophobia and it was the first time that i had actually heard about it An hour heard about it. Call that and then. As obama got elected we were able to see a lot of assam phobia towards him and Saying racist things about him and saying he was arab and things like that As if that was a bad thing and it just made me realize like how much are international affairs in our actions abroad were connected to how people were treated here at home With people who are either muslim appear more slim like you know Sakes for instance were becoming targets of hate crimes or anybody's south asian asian. Anybody who looked foreign or could be muslim getting the brunt of this so that was really what got me interested and i started a blog for the houston chronicle at that time called young american muslim to kind of just write about my experiences in mike takes on different current events and things like that Just to kind of bridge that divide. That i was saying yeah. That's really interesting. Because like i remember when i was eleven september eleventh happened. And then this we've islamaphobia started to come across the us. Which i didn't really understand. Because i was so young. Yeah islamaphobia to you as a muslim american. What was that like going through emotion. Wise do you have any experiences that you can pinpoint that like okay. This is weird. This was interested in. This changed my view on what was happening around. You're in the us. Yeah so like. I said i was kind of in a bubble at that time. My school was diverse enough so that nobody really looked at me. Also wasn't wearing the headscarf. At that time. Nobody really looked at me and was like hey. You have something to do with timber eleventh like. I don't think anybody said that to me. The only time. I realized that it was real was win. My mom did wear the headscarf at the time. And some of our neighbors came over after it happened and they brought her flowers and they said listen you know. It's not really that safe out there. If he wants to go groceries for you you know. We're happy to help whatever errands you need. That was when i. I realized like oh like there's a problem here like some something is happening But again i was young. I was in high school. I didn't really know what was going on. I didn't even know what al qaeda was didn't know what i did not understand anything about what's happening with september eleventh And so it was such a bubble where Took that kind of action for me to like even just poke a hole in it and it wasn't until later understanding osama phobia and how it wasn't trenched in our in our foreign policy That i was able to get a grasp on yet. How did you develop your unique perspective. Because i think my issue with the media. Sometimes it's like there's so many opinions you're like what do i actually believe our. Who can i use as a source to get the information that is close to the truth. How do you how do you. How did you develop your point of view in your perspective. Yeah well one. Important point of view that i had was growing up as an actual muslim and being in the muslim household. And that's what motivated me to start my blog. Because i was like our perspectives are not getting out there. People are defining our narratives for us. And that's not okay because they're getting it wrong and that is why i started. The blog was to be able to give my perspective. Because of what i knew was true for me and it was not what the media was saying. Oh portraying the us as an even. Now you'll see like in movies and tv. There's still so much like phobia there and people just portraying people negatively and with corona virus. Right now i guess the media has chosen. Now's the time to normalize. Muslims because now you see pictures of women in his job and wearing a mask. You know pictures of a turkish mosques being clean whereas trump's you're a ban even though turkey is not one of the country's on the band so it just manifest in so many different ways and so i think for me personally. My blog was away for me to be like. Hey i am somebody who grew up muslim. I grew up texan. And this is what i think about the world and what i think about things and i want you to hear it from me because otherwise other people are speaking for me and it's not accurate when you were writing the blog. What were some of the topics that you were discussing. What was your favorite article that for you that you wrote that. You're proud of. I wrote a lot of different. Articles was so proficient in that blog. I think i was reading like once or twice a week. A really good ball. I was like a dream blogger. I remember writing stuff about the. Nda the national defense authorization act which is kind of a heavy topic. But i remember writing about. This was my first delve into policy analysis And i was just talking about how terrible it was. An american citizens could be like. I think i think at the time it was. You could be detained without a lawyer or something like that it was crazy provisions. I remember i was talking about. And i would also talk about like ramadan. What is that. what is it good. A day of fasting look like so people could like ask questions and find out what that is I did blogs on like volunteering on thanksgiving day at Georgia brown convention center where we gave meals to the two people who needed food to the hungry. And the homeless. I wrote about the kardashians and like kind of what the perspective i think. It was something about like dating and marriage that they had talked about and i was like. Oh this is so similar so it was everything in anything that i just looked at policy pop culture personal religion. Everything yeah so. I'm also curious to know like okay. You wrote this blog in college right. The you obviously enjoyed it because you loved once a week. That's impressive right after i graduated. Oh sorry right after you graduate college and then you went to do a cpa for years. Then you like you know what this is not working for me personally. What happened next. I'm more interested in what happened next. Then how did you tell your family that. This is what i wanted to do. Well they kind of got to the point where. I was doing so much outside of my day job where i was like. Okay i have no free time to myself like i need to move this whole time. So in addition to writing the blog i was also volunteering with the local. Care chapter Houston which is counseling. Americans on relations are civil rights groups. I was volunteering with them. I was also doing a muslim youth. Camp i was a counselor for them and then became an adviser for them I traveled to washington. D dc with the muslim public affairs council to learn about like policymaking in how people do that. So i was doing a lot. And i started interviewing actually for other positions and I remember when i interview interview questions was like. Oh your cpa like why do you want to switch into this. Like into this field. I think at that time it was like an interfaith job dealing with college students Because i was so involved in the inner community. Because i had a houston because i had a blog And so it was like i realized like how weird it may be was what a shift was and then i realized there was a like a lot that i didn't know about the topic that i wanted to go into like if i wanted to go to school if i wanted access to like internships or things like that for the united nations is something that i was interested in and you know i think they only had students in for them Other places. I realize you know it'd be good to get some knowledge. I didn't know. I had no formal training on foreign policy. And so i thought okay if i wanna learn about why these conflicts are happening. I take some time in study. This so i did talk to my my family about it and my my mom was supportive. My dad when he was he he actually was supportive because he was like okay. Yeah like if you wanna go study this like you can study this. He's buried pro education And so he was okay with that. My first step was actually the graduate programs. That i was looking at i noticed they all had a language requirement and so i wanted to get a headstart on that and i wanted to learn arabic. Because if you're dealing with middle east affairs. Arabic is a good language. Shenault and so i. I went to actually berkeley california to an arabic intensive I remember my dad was not too happy about that because he was like. Why can't you learn arabic in houston. Like i understand what you have to go all the way to california little. That was going to go to jordan. After i graduated to learn more arabic. But are you so it was. It was like a process and then after that i was like okay. I need apply to grad school. Now so it was just like okay i think i mean thankfully. He was supportive enough. where it was unlike. Do you can't go just kind of like okay. But yeah i mean now. He's still like why. What are you gonna come back from. Dc like you've had your fun there now do something and come back to houston to real estate or something. And i'm like no. Why would i do that. So yeah it's been a process for them for sure and i joked that it keeps me humble but Yeah i think it just takes it. Takes a lot of self motivation on your part and then also hopes that the rest of my family is pretty supportive as well. So it's it helped me get through that. And i think that tension between individual dreams and family obligations is something we hear from guests again and again. I think it's part of the just. The south asian american. Or whatever part of because people wanna do these cool things but then pulled back. I wouldn't say pull back our pulled in another direction based on what you wanna do and balancing that. I is the hardest part. But i want to hear more out so you decided to take arabic in this intensive training. What was the highlight and low light of doing that. Like what was the best and worst part of doing that. It was such an incredible experience. Because i was in it was in berkeley california which is beautiful and it was my first time living in california so it was just like it was so awesome to be living there and i. Was you know a lot of our students. We actually lived in dorms. I had a roommate And it was just a cool like school experience. You're with a bunch of people that are like together all the time studying this language. It was also ramadan at the time. So we would be like fasting together that to go to san francisco it was. It was a really fun. Amazing life experience too. Because i was learning so much at one time you eat breathe and sleep arabic and you are with these students all the time. You build these lifelong relationships. I'm still friends with a lot of people that i was in class with. And so it was just an awesome experience internet really well and really motivated me to continue learning the language and An how intense worked for me because for me like i'm doing so many things when i'm in school. I took one semester. When i did get to grad school and it just wasn't the same as being kind of Immersive programs it was. I really enjoyed it for sure. And and tell us about your time in jordan. What was that. Like yes so after. I graduated from my second. Master's at columbia starting international affairs. I went to jordan to do more arabic studies and i also got to intern for the un. Their unra i got to go to some health health camps or some of their refugee camps in help with their in a health clinic there Trying they were trying to do studies about their sanitary conditions. And how people could help with that. And so i got to do that as well as study. The arabic and again. It was a lot of american students that came over to jordan. Going to get this immersive experience. And that was really fun because You know jordan was so lake a times. People think like the middle east that we've can't travel there or they don't have freedom. Jordan was a really safe place where i get a cab. I myself downtown. Meet my friends for dinner. It was also Madonna there as well. So all the american students would hang out in the evenings and go e. and i had a lot more fun that time around because i was less stressed about my grades and was more about immersing myself in the culture but also study and getting kvant tier so it was awesome. Was there any story experience. It really stood out for you. Be like wow this is this is where i am in. This is now exactly what. I wanna do Yeah i think helping out at that. Clinic was really really amazing. I also got to help It was actually one year after the twenty fourteen gaza war and so i got to meet with some volunteers that were helping. Give aid to gazans or or palestinians were jordan. I'm like to see how that worked. And then through that organization. I went and visited hospital where people from the two thousand fourteen. Gaza war were actually getting treatment and we took toys for the kids and it was. It was just such a. It was a powerful experience to go and see these people that were getting multiple surgeries week. Because they had all the shrapnel inside of them from becoming victim to this war it just put a really like human element to it was no. It wasn't a year after. Sorry it was. It was during the gut during the war. 'cause i at to your after my work but yeah this was summer twenty fourteen so it was happening and it was a psych. I visited that. And then i also in the evenings when we would have prayers during ramadan A lot of people who live in jordan are palestinian or palestinian family family still palestine and so when they would do the evening prayers they would pray for the people that are you know in. These conditions are under attack or are in harm's way so it was very. It was such an incredible time to be there and to be so close to what was happening and then watching liquid the news stories were saying and then hearing what we see on the ground and visiting the people there so it was very it was very powerful. I can imagine and what happened after your experience in jordan. What did you do next. So after jordan. I came back to houston and did some consulting work on counter-terrorism a little for a few months in houston and then i got a fellowship to move to dc. And that's what moved for the first time year and started working at a quaker lobby doing middle east policy. Tell us about that what has been the highlights of working there This was like my dream job. And i was so lucky to get you know right after i graduated from from columbia and it was about finding non-military solutions to conflicts in the middle east and so we were working on issues like the war in syria obviously israel palestine which was so recent and also the iran nuclear deal and because this organization focused on congress. My job was to help. Educate congress on why the iran nuclear deal was positive and why they should support it. And i remember like going to capitol hill meeting with members of congress and staff in work with advocates to teach them how to talk about the deal and give them facts whenever people would ask them questions about it and it such a historical time to be there because the deal did go through and it was like the first time that anything like this happened and we got to work with the white house on it as well so it was just a. It was like being part of history so fortunate that i've got to do it. And interestingly enough like i. It wasn't even originally in my portfolio to do that. It was just it just so happened that the program assistant who was working on it was transferring to another position in the organization. So my supervisor said hey. Do you want to help on this project and i was like okay. Well iran seems to be the news and it's middle east related so sure even though i know nothing about nuclear power but i didn't need to and it was it worked out really well and then also in that same fellowship. I got to go to israel. Palestine again for To do some follow up a seducer with On the ground meeting with people on both sides and saying you know what the condition was. How was the rebuilding of. The house is going after the gaza war. How are people doing. What about mental health meeting with people working in these clinics so it was a really profound experience to be able to go so soon after i had been before and a like the situation firsthand so it was. It was an amazing experience. Yeah that that sounds a kremlin especially your one of your first roles right out of grad school men. That must have been very empowering exciting. Yes yeah it was so exciting. I felt so grateful that i had done that. And i honestly. I was like so happy that i was not sitting in houston to accounting. Getting more sure sure never have been able to get these incredible experiences not that i knock any accountants. My friends are so accountants. I stopped my cpa license. Like i don't knock accountants at all right now. My friends still ask me tax questions But you know. I was glad that it was worth it for me to kind of. Leave that all behind because it. I was stepped into the amazing possibility that i never could have imagined so. Let's just role play right. Let's say. I'm a congressman right and you are coming up to at and i'm wanting to learn more about the iran nuclear deal for someone like me. Who like who is like you know. Pretty high up in the us politics and doing a lot of things. How would you approach me as the congressman or congresswoman. Wanted to learn more. If i was meaning for the first time. What would you say to me. Yeah so the nice thing about members of congress they have staff that handle a lot of their learning a lot of their initial information. So i would have probably already had a conversation with your staff probably multiple conversations with your staff to make sure that they understood what was happening and they would have probably already briefed you a little bit on the issue before i came in but once i came in You know usually what they do. Is we bring advocates with us. So they wanna know like who in their district cares about the issue. What are people what our constituents saying about it. And that's really one of the most important things is because these constituents are the ones that are electing and re electing them so they wanna make sure that they are understanding what they say so i would probably bring a group of constituents with me and then they would share why they wanted the congressperson to support the iran nuclear deal why it was important for world peace and security. Why is important for our relationships in the middle east I was good as far as making sure that are helping to prevent a nuclear war And so they would talk about these things and talking about the concessions that iranians had made and then as a person of a member of congress you could ask follow up questions and ask about any specifics or you could ask. Well what people in the ground are saying Until it would be my job to help provide that information. And if i didn't have information go get it from the experts and then bring it back to you and your staff. So yeah it's like a multipronged meeting in their staff to allot and even now working on the hill. I can see that every day. Is you know it's lot of work by the staff to get their members prepared and speed on things. I'd like to also know you know for people who are listening. Lot of people have this image of international affairs and policy in their head for someone. Who's actually done it like. What were the biggest midst our busted for you that one because you came from totally something that it was totally different to this for someone who wants to break into or dozen. What it's exactly like. Can you dispel some of the midst that you had that were were true were untrue and some of the things that you learned that i didn't know this about this industry or this type of work. Yeah i think one thing that. I didn't realize it was how diverse it is or not neighbors germans but it was i. I would have thought that diverse people would be working in the state department that they would be working in these advocacy organizations. And i didn't see that. When i got here i think it was a state that just came out from the state saying the state department was like whoa fully You know unrepresentative. Like the diversity of americans and i see i actually participated in this Fellowship hall foreign policy erupted. When i got here in. That was about getting more women. Mike didn't bylined. And so it's not that women and people of color aren't doing these things a lot of times. They're not receiving attention for their work or they're not being called into these higher upper level management positions or these higher places of influence where they can make a difference. I mean even under the obama administration. There's a story that came out that i think the national security council. The women would support each other during meetings by saying you know i want to echo. What my colleague just said because men would drown them out or they weren't getting or maybe men would be man's cleaning or taking their ideas and so not only was it just like a lack of diversity in ethnishity but also like women just were not We're not getting these positions so it was. I was actually fortunate when i got to the quaker lobby because it was a mostly women staff at the iran deal meetings. There was a lot of women in there but however on other issues i wasn't seeing that same diversity and so i think that has that was really like i would go into meetings. I was the only person wearing job. They're often the only muslim there was often the only person of color there and it was. Just mind boggling to me. The was you know twenty fifteen and we were still dealing with these things in that people of color were not getting access to these places now. Partially it's our communities fall you know. South asians are not pushing their kids to go into politics pushing their kids to go into international affairs. And that's why any chance i get. I'm always like we have enough doctors and engineers like branch out But unless that's what you really what your heart calls you to do. Great go for it. But if it's your parents forcing you please don't do it. You're doing the community a disservice because it makes damage harder for us to make good policy decisions and it is a well known fact in washington that these white old males are making a lot of these decisions. They do not reflect the diversity of the countries where they're making these decisions toward. They don't have an understanding what's happening on the ground. We also have this awful security clearance process that is stopping people of color people from minority backgrounds from getting access and influence into these places. Because if you have relatives that live abroad you must have foreign influence like it's really ridiculous and i think that i didn't realize how bad it was until i got here. Yeah and that was twenty fifteen. Now it's twenty twenty one of the biggest things the changes that you've seen happen in the last five years positive and negative. I'm seeing a lot more conversations around diversity here and for organizations making an effort to welcome diverse members so when organization. That i'm a part of here is true national security council which brings people from the military branch together policy people and then political folks together To kind of talk about. What's happening and i was pleasantly surprised to see that they were trying to be diverse and they reached out to me. How do we make get more diverse in so many different organizations have reached out to me about. How do we make membership more diverse. And you know the answer is that. It's not that easy to do that because you need people in the pipeline to get them. I can only tell you how to reach people that are already kind of in these areas Already in dc are already working on these things so it's nice to see that they are interested in getting more neighbors because they understand how beneficial it is to have diverse membership however like it doesn't solve as bigger structural problem that is getting people actually in these educational fields in these professional fields in the first place. So i'm happy that there's improvement. I think there is more of a recognition that you know. It's not okay that the only people that are on. Tv are old white men talking about these international affairs issues. There are women that are competent and expert in these issues and we should have more of them speaking. And it's just it's going to be a cultural shift that i think we'll take time. And then as far as the security clearance think people are realizing how awful it is. But i don't know how long it'll be until they until they changed that kind of process so it takes people that are diverse. I mean. I have friends that are in the foreign service that are of color and they've been so helpful for me and just serving as mentors for me. I think that the more that we can do that in help each other the better. I'm just seeing more conservative efforts to do that. I'm really pleased about that. That's great and so you're seeing positive. Momentum in this is a big year because it's an election year. So i think there is a from my vantage point a lot of engagement and people who are either you know not happy with the car state of affairs in in the in the government and wanna make some changes so you know. I think this'll be a very interesting year. To see how the tides shift as people get more engage based on what they saw the last four years or wherever they're a political inmates are and they've already been getting engaged. It's over the last four years. It's been incredible. I've seen my friends even from houston getting involved and pains. And it's it's really empowering. And i'm so happy and i have friends that are from minority backgrounds southeast backgrounds. Actually that are in all these different campaigns not just sticking with one candidate and that's great because we should be in different campaigns. We should be in different backgrounds because our community is very diverse. I mean we may be all from a similar like ethnic religious background but we all have different political leanings in different priorities and it's great that that has been elected. Yeah so then is a perfect transition to talk to you. Talk to us about your nonprofit polygon rental a little bit about it. And i was very impressed with your mission of trying to engage with representatives and train how muslims and allies get to talk to your representatives more candidly and more efficiently. Can you talk through the genesis of it and and how you develop the the nonprofit where you guys are today. Yeah for sure so before. I started working at the quaker lobby. I made a decision. This was like in late twenty fourteen. But i wanted to start something similar for the muslim community because the quakers. I don't know if your listeners know about it. But they are very small christian group that A lot of their base. It actually started out in pennsylvania as you go there. You can see quaker meeting houses. And they have them in dc as well by its smaller christian group of less than seventy five thousand people in the united states and the actually have immense lobbying power on capitol hill. I mean actually Told you about the amazing work. They did on the iran. Nuclear deal. And i i mean. Of course i had gone through the experience. But i just thought look like the fact that this faith group of less than seventy five thousand people is is advocating educating on all of these different issues ranging from climate change to criminal justice reform to foreign policy to national security to civil rights was amazing and i wanted to start something similar for my community which ranges anywhere from three to eight million people in the us. Nobody really knows how many there are. But i i like there. We need to be tapping into that pow or and instead of just doing photo ops with members of congress in letting them do whatever they want you know actually put their money where their mouth is have them create policies or work on policy change that our community wants Until that was kind of the idea for in and so. I started working at the quaker lobby and was getting my first hand experience there. At the same time. I was interviewing people doing informational interviews with other kind of policy people in our community like. Why hasn't something like. This happened before i was. I was trying to understand what it would take for it to be successful and people were saying that you know we have tried before work or other people. Were giving me the advice. Oh just wait until the end of your career like life is long. You can wait to start focus on your other career right now. I was just like why this should have started like a hundred years ago. We for her. And so i actually started trading people on my own on how to engage with their members of congress and that trading those training materials actually became whenever we launched Our like the material that we would be our trainings on so we started with webinars and then we started training people all across the country and so yes towards the end of two thousand fifteen. I put a team of people together to help. Bring this vision to life. And then i actually went home for a year in two thousand sixteen which was a weird year to be home because i was like writing about the elections and i was. I was actually waiting for it to start on another position in dc and so after my fellowship by at went back so i it gave me some time to work on the nonprofit and make all the corporation papers and create the website and all that and so it was. It was a lot of work on the back end. We officially launched in january of twenty seventeen which was right after trump was inaugurated a right before trump got inaugurated So the community was very ready for it. Right there were like. Wow this is great. Timing and i'm so happy are doing this. And i was like. Yeah this has been in the works for years. But i'm glad you recognize the value that right now so it was kind of opportune that the community understood the need for it right then Since then we've trained over five thousand. Muslims across the united states. The five ten thousand. I can't remember now. We check cut quite a few when we do trainings on congressional advocacy. When one we have a two point oh version. That's more advanced than we teach at conferences as well Our our organization participates in visits on capitol hill on issues. Of course were around. Islamaphobia in a national Our civil rights but also we do a lot regarding domestic human needs hunger poverty. These are all issues that impact our community and these are. We've also made a concerted effort not to do foreign policy right now and i don't know if we will but for now. I think one misconception that people have is that people have immigrant backgrounds or muslims That they care about foreign policy in. That's not true. They do care about issues. In general that americans in general of all backgrounds care about so our organization has been very cognizant about that and it has made a concerted effort to focus more on domestic issues So working on the muslim travel ban has been a very big thing that we've been working on the past in This corona virus package been falling very closely making sure people get medical relief and financial relief for the hardships facing now. So we're still going and and Training people and educating people and encouraging them to engage with action alerts and information that we share on our on our mailing list. And it's it's a really great way for people to get involved. Pass the ballot box. I mean obviously you need a vote. I but then once you vote this is kind of like the next step. You and i think that is amazing. Where the the fact that you are organizing a community that has just been distrustful sometimes of politics and say like. Oh that's somebody else's problem like let them figure out we'll focus on ourselves and our immediately. I think challenging the narrative on data just so impressive. And i think that his work that needs to be done and to have people like you just pushing it even if the the our communities like now we don't need this right now focused on your career right. I think is very very very impressive and very cool that you're doing i'd love to know like you said you developed a lot of training materials for people to help engage with their representatives. What's the number one piece of advice that you tell people in that train of top three pieces of advice number one members of congress are a lot of people. You'd be surprised. do not know ends. I always asked us in the training like juno. Your senators are. Do you know who your actual representative from your district is and you'd be surprised that a lot of people often don't know so number one is just like getting informed and i mean it's fine i understand why like we don't learn it in school about how important this is how to do this. Maybe we'll hear about voting and even my government affairs class with was like my favorite class in high schools. I should have known. I was going to do something like this but i didn't. It was my favorite class. But i don't think we talked. I like who your representative. is that much. Maybe we didn't eighth grade social studies but Yeah we just learned about the branches of government and things like that but not kind of high personally related to us. I think just having information's importance. I tell people that i sign up for your member of congress mailing lists like find out what they're doing and then another thing that we teach people is when is congress actually in session. So that's something that a lot of people don't know is that members of congress. Divide their time between their home districts and then also they're being in the dc office and so when they're in their home districts is called recess. That's a really good time to visit your member. You can get a chance to have one on one meetings with them. I mean you can. Dc as well but it's a lot harder because members are always in meetings and voting. And so it's much vizier. So we send out action alerts telling people about when recesses sample issue that you can talk about so i think that's really really important and then I think just like being engaged. I tell people to put the phone number of their members of congress on speed. Dial if you're sitting in traffic which we do a lot will wear in houston or dallas or other cities like that That's a great time to like call your representative and tell them what you think about an issue and you know just being engaged that way and making sure to tell them your opinion on things right them call them. It's really important to be engaged. So that people know that you are a constituent in our active and they have to answer to you. Yeah that's fascinating to me. Because i don't know any of those things that i was thinking to myself like man. I need to look those up today and a lot of zone. I'm not surprised it's you would think that this is like very basic skills but our community is like has done it to that extent where everybody can like name their members like right away and it's gonna take time to get there. Yes so can you cheer second place. No when congress is in recent when it's not can you give an overview when that is where people listening so really big time that people members of congress are in the home district is in august. So that's called august recess so the whole month of august there at home. That's a really good time to be trying to meet with them when they're in the district But other than that usually when there's a federal holiday like president's day or july four. There's something like that a lot of times. There's like a week long time. were members. Go back to the district. And that's considered a recess as well so if you go on a congress dot gov i believe the congress dot gov or if you go to house dog gov in senate dot gov you can find the calendar on there where it says When members of congress are in their home districts which is recessed and then when they are actually on capitol hill in dc. And generally you during the week if it's an in session league members of congress Fly out to their districts on thursday night and then that way they spend all of friday in their district and then they come back on monday morning monday afternoon. In than voting starts at like six thirty pm on monday night so generally. If it's a in session week the those are the hours that's awesome. That's actually very very helpful and thirteen point. When you're in traffic you know. I live in dallas. Where in traffic a lot to call you representative like. I didn't know you could do that. Like get like can you like what's the best way to get in touch with your Representative if you like. What do you talk about like. How does that happen because that just that just blew my mind. Like i didn't know i could call my district by. Hey what's up. I feel ex- ex-. Yeah well i hate to break your ball buster bobble but it's not the members of the to be answering the phone like establish extent. But yes you can you can call and you just. It's it can be as simple as hi. my name is. I'm a constituent that lives in extract You know. I am the president of this health healthcare association that has five thousand doctors under me Whatever it is to like identify yourself and then you say. I'm calling because i think this coronavirus package needs to be passed and i really urging you to vote. Yes on it. And that's it the call take a minute and they'll say thank you for calling and they'll write it down and then at the end of the week or the beginning of action on monday when we have staff meetings That staff tells a member of congress. You receive this many calls on this. They were telling you this way and then sometimes the member will ask okay. Well was there a certain group that was pushing this. Or is there a reason why we got a spike in calls and so they really are interested in knowing what their constituents stink and and that they are approving of how they vote on things because at the end of the day there these members of congress worked for you. And that's what i tell people they work for you. They were hired by you like hold them accountable to their job. You absolutely call them and tell them what you think. And they recorded and we'll we'll get the message yet. That's awesome because like. I hear you when you say like i've heard many times. Oh your congress people work for you and they should be representing the interests of resistance. But you forget like you should ask them what you want right. The only way they know is if you ask them just like anything else in you have to ask for it to get it. So i think especially people forget. You need to ask these people in your districts in your your states and donate to them and they'll do hold fancy fundraisers in their houses and give them so much and then once they give. They don't do anything they don't ask for anything like. Why did you put all this effort and justin a photo with them. Big walk will have a photo with a member of congress that you don't ask anything of or you don't push them to do something in the right way. No that's amazing. That is amazing. Piece of advice. I would love to know what's next for you. Can you give us a peek under the hood of what. You're excited about to work on this year or right. Now that's in your hopper. Tell our listeners. About so much so much is going on right now. Currently working on the hill and I'm hoping you know hoping to stay there for a little bit. And kind of get to work on different issues there I've been really fortunate in the office at amman. To get to work on a lot of things like the no ban act which has been an amazing thing trying to repeal the travel ban and get rid of ethnic in religious discrimination in our border policy that trump that trump implemented So that hasn't really cool to oregon excited to see that finally come to a vote. It was actually about to come to a vote a week or two ago and then corona virus blew up ben than they decided. No we need to focus on coronavirus until that bogart delayed. So i'm really excited about that. And i hope that That does come to a vote. Because that'll be a very major victory for communities unfortunately that bill is not bipartisan. So republican members have signed onto it which is kind of weird and. I think that's something if you have a republican member of congress jew should definitely reach out to them and ask them why they haven't supported it because you know discrimination should not be a partisan issue so that's something that i'm really interested in working on. I'm still interested in getting involved on the foreign policy front. so much. Going on in yemen and syria just entered its tenth year of conflict. I believe tenth year feels like longer. I need to look that up I think it was the tenth thirteenth year or something like that. Those numbers are hanging in my mind. I did a lot of. I'd actually use to do refugee and immigration advocacy work at my last position and so refugees are an issue that are near and dear to my heart so still keeping tabs on that situation. How are we treating refugees the us. I don't know if your listeners. Not this has been steadily decreasing the number of refugees that are allowed into the country Basically you have. The stephen miller types trying to end the refugee resettlement program altogether which is awful because You know the the. Us used to be a leader in refugee resettlement and now we have closed our doors to refugees. And so you know. For instance we are fighting are helping fight in yemen south bombing there and then we blocked yemen. Gabonese refugee yemeni refugees from coming to the us. So it's really a terrible situation that we need to rectify media. So i'm so working in keeping tabs on that Israel-palestine is an issue. Is that i watch very closely as well in the middle east and obviously looking at hair hate crimes and terrorism and how that impacts the community people of color here and why the administration is not treating white supremacy in nationalism as a serious threat that it is. Wow those are a lot of things to work on. How how did you prioritize. Or how do you choose. I need to work on this right. Nosy be some media. Caesar based on you know something that's going on with you. The the hill. Like how do you choose among the sea of things that you're interested in giving your perspective and point of view and your and your on like how do you choose. Yeah i think a lot of it has to do the immediacy of the situation for sure. One issue that. I've been working on on the hill is the deportation or the sorry. The detention of south asian migrants at the southern border. And you have all these people from india coming that going on hunger strike because even though they're seeking asylum they're being detained in these deplorable conditions and then at the same time when they go on hunger strike they're going to they're force fed and which is like torture for them and so i'm getting to work on that through my office which i'm really grateful for sobat is something that is it's not only immediate because people are literally like suffering and dying as a result of this kind of treatment but also because that is an issue that the member of congress for interested in so that helps me prioritize like okay yes i can actually like work on this issue but outside of work. Yeah it's about immediacy but also like what are people forgetting about. What do you think to remember like what are some things that have a media hook like. For instance there was a a reporter of an israeli reporter. Wrote something about israel was gonna be quarantined. Quarantine for fourteen days in their borders. Are going to be closed and you know this would affect their economy. Which is true. It's an awful situation. But at the same time like i quoted. That tweet was like well. You know if you fourteen days bad imagined. Thirteen years of your borders being blocked as israel has been doing to gaza right so gaza has air sea land blockade. Their economy has gone gone south. A lot of people are unemployed. They don't have access clean water and electricity and so that was just like a very poignant way to like bring that issue back up because twenty twenty year that the united nations said that gaza is going to be unlivable and it is it absolutely is so that was a good way to bring that up so everything has to have immediate hook Unfortunately that's where world is with our twenty four hour cycle. Also like what is it idiot. What are people carrying about how we tie this into our own situation especially with corona virus happening in people realizing that. Wow a lot of people live like this. All the time where they don't have access to resources where they don't have freedom of movement So yeah that kind of determines kind of what's happening or if there is a one year ago was the thing at the new zealand mosques and marked the one year anniversary by upping an article that i had written at the time about interfaith communities are having to bear a lot of the burden of these shootings and that they could absolutely happen again because the administration is not taking the threat seriously So it's it's it's a combination of things Beyond just trying to do as much as i can in places that made him impact will. Hey more power to you that that stuff is extremely important and to your point about the media news cycle like i feel finding your way through. The noise is probably the hardest part. Even the issue bears viewership in consideration. So i applaud you for keeping the fighting the good fight to do that because i know how hard it is to to to get through all the noise and sometimes all the information which sometimes i struggle with to what is real and what is office for sure. I saw story today about russia. Releasing lions to get people to work were deemed yup right. That's funny at the last part of the interview. I'd love to switch to our rapid fire questions and these are questions. We ask all our guests on the show and we've gotten some very interesting. Engaging in exciting answer is because of the wide variety of things that people used see so whether my first question to you is. Is there an item that you have bought. Recently that has dramatically improved your life and can be bigger small service or it can be a thing. Okay let me think I'm not good at these. Rapid fire cost we can go into. Has dramatically improved my life around. I give you an example. A lot of people have said Airpods have been game changers for them. A lot of people have said like. Oh a meditation routine or something that has helped me with my physical or mental health. So this is one i service. I guess it's the training doing this. Emotional intelligence leadership training call next level trainings. And so i started around january okay That has dramatically changed my life in this kind of the things that we've been talking about like prioritizing issues and you know balancing everything that was something that i was looking for in that for sure and so i think that has definitely like dramatically improved kind of the way that i think about things in understanding like all the different domains of my life in my goals and a half for them. I think that has helped a lot in prioritizing. So yes that. I think that would be my answer for that. That's so cool. how did you discover it. One of my friends told me about it and she was just. I noticed like how much of a change. I was noticing in her. She was like becoming very go getter on of life she wanted to improve on and then it just so happened that the fellowship that i'm doing right now wanting us to take training or go to a conference while the sounds like an interesting training that i could do in it has been i've signed up for like all three parts of it and now i'm telling people about it and they they just launched an online version of the virus ends. I'm telling people it's like you should sign up. It's life changing and it is really just dramatically. Improved your relationships in how you think about things. You handle work having your personal life. So i love mix level trainings at the name of it. Yeah next level trainings. And the online programs called shift should got to next level dot com slash shift. Yeah okay perfect. We'll call the next question. I have is when you think of a south asian person. You look up to in your field. Who would you say comes to mind. And why i would definitely say. Ro khanna congressman ro khanna from california has been such a leader on foreign policy and human rights humanitarian rights Dealing with for instance like the saudi bombing campaign in yemen that we the united states was supporting to dealing with the issue on cashmere to dealing with syria. This is just so much national security foreign intelligence He's just been doing such a great job on leading those things. And i really really admired that. He centers human rights in his work And he's just been so effective in moving legislation where it never has before i mean congress voted both on the house side and the senate side to end the us support for the bombing in yemen. And that was historic would not have imagined something like that ever happening. And to see that the south asian american was kind of leading this. I mean of course. Trump vetoed it. Which is another story. I mean that's out of his control but To see that he accomplished something like that on the house. Side was amazing. And i applaud him for a lot. Have you ever had a chance to meet him or interact with him. I've seen him not some meetings that i've been to and just kind of The but i haven't talked in purrs kind of awkward. When you're see these people that you see on the news all the time like walking around like it's no big deal right. It's like a celebrity sighting. I worked there now. I can't really go to the me. Like oh my gosh. A huge fan autographed right. Like right from texas joaquin castro walk into an elevator. Those walking out. An course. I want to say them. Like your tiktok with julia. It was awesome. But instead i'm like oh hello. Hello and that's it so can't can't really fan girl as much as i want to their. That's funny. I love that Okay next question is what is a movie or book has had the most impact on you. I would say the of malcolm x. Had a big impact on me and And understanding kind of how the african american community has moved with islam. Nation of islam in how that kind of transpired in america. the Like twenty five percent of muslims in the us are african american and many of them started. In nation of islam then moved over to like sony more orthodox islam And it has been fascinating to see the work that they did for civil rights for human rights in the united states You know criminal justice reform and so reading. That autobiography could've tells the story through malcolm x. And then kind of amazing spiritual experience that he had when he went to pilgrimage in mecca. Which almost are required to do if they can. Instant afford it once in their lives and harry's talking about meeting blonde hair blue eyed muslims and all these different types of people that never would have imagined it's it was really beautiful and powerful to kind of see the quality that islam teaches and how he was able to bring that back to the united states. Understand that a lot of racial issues and the tensions that we have the united states could be solved by these same principle that the faith teaches. So it's really Luck was book recommended to you. Or how did you again discover it. I think just been hearing about it a lot. And so i just decided one data read it and i wish i had read earlier on his lee but yeah i read it as an adult And yet just kinda came across like that awesome. Great great choice. I have not a look to the. But i'll definitely check it out. Check it out. Yeah powerful stuff for sure. Cool last few questions is if you had to give an up and coming south asian person who is interested in policy interested in international affairs. What is the first step. You would may ask them take her. How would what advice would you give them. And why i would say good job on. Not trying to be an account or a doctorate engineer or lawyer counter. Seafield like that props to you and now that you have figured that out. What is it exactly that you're interested in right because this international affairs is a very broad field. You have nuclear security. You have middle east. You have south asia asia. You've got your up like there's no south america. So many different areas that you could be interested in What is the way in which you want to serve a work like. Do you want to do research. Do you want to be an advocate. Do you want to work on policy inside the government. What do you wanna do. So i think understanding what it is that you're most interested in is also important in like how you want to function. And maybe you wanna do a combination and that's fine and you can do internships in different places to see what you like be. I would recommend those things first figuring out what you're interested in. What are the topic areas. What kind of work do you wanna do and also understand that. There is no linear path in this field. I mean even me. I'm doing so. I never thought i working on capitol hill. I advocated outside. But i always thought i was gonna go work at the state department right away or some other agency Endo clans but being open is really important because everybody to this field most people do not have a very linear path and it's kind of a like what opportunities are available. Some people jumped on political campaigns or presidential campaigns in get appointed at the white house or they get a job somewhere in the local government by running local campaigns Just what are you open to. What are you interested in. What is the kind issue that you want to work on and then being open to any opportunity that comes your way is something that i would. Highly recommend the amazing. Thank you for that. That is great advice and just any from a tactical point of view. Would you say. Would you recommend any specific resources or courses or any education things that people can look into if they're interested in pursuing this further trying to think of resources. I don't think there's any one particular resource i think. Just being informed about the topics in the issue area that you care about by reading a lot. I read a lot of articles. News articles opinion articles to understand people's viewpoints. Understand what's happening on the ground So i think that is important if you have a chance to work in that field Abroad that is great. Even if it's just language study or visit intern. Ship can look what i did. That can give you a firsthand perspective of being able to see what's happening so that you can kind of separate what's what you're seeing the media versus reality so i would say definitely do that as much as you can. And then yeah. I think just being informed and then trying to research institutions that you're interested in and seeing what kind of history they were people that fund them do they have a particular bias or slant just being very informed before you go into a situation or before interview somewhere. That's great thank you. Okay last question Do you have any final. Ask for the audience anything. You'd like to leave them with before we close. I would say that if you are interested in this field definitely look out information. We need more people of color. We need more south asians going into politics and international affairs. it's so important and also finally just to raise your voice. Let me talk about reaching out your member of congress. Please do also get involved with your local elections city council state house State senate those are also places that make policy a lot of education. Policies are made at the state level. So if you want textbooks that are not you know bigoted or spreading weird messages or completely. Take out certain fates altogether. Pay attention to those things get involved. Let's get outside of our comfortable bubbles and start being engaged in and making a difference in the place that we live love it. I love it and guys for everyone listening. This is the year twenty twenty. We have a lot on on on stake in if not this year. Then when right. So i love that device while the thank you so much for all your insight and again for all your work you've done. I've learned a lot in this hour. 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Plus the numbers are in from Black Friday in will run some of those bio but first. Let's talk to Mike. He is calling us from Washington. State listening to K B K W there and Aberdeen. Go ahead Mike. Hey how are are you guys. Doing Great Show can get that address for that guy. I've got a whole bunch of lithium batteries in my old phones. I think he might. I didn't write it down. Sorry sorry Dave I was just getting. I called about car cabs in Washington state but I also wonder how the collars that now that I know that you don't know anything I wonder. What do you think of Dennis? Rodman teaching him how to break down and play basketball out and play basketball and NBA secrets. State Secrets Anyway. So the car tabs in Washington state. We got a guy his name is Tim. I'm in and what he does. He gets these initiatives for thirty dollars car tabs and of course the voters always vote on the thirty dollars car tabs. ABS- what you we have to every year. You renew your this sticker and you pay thirty bucks okay. So car ran. Thank you for the year and it shows what year and all that stuff different term for it or whatever. I'd never heard that term. Oh that's what it's called in Washington. It's called the car tab you go renew your tabs anyway. So then every two years they overturn it. And then you pay based on the value of your vehicle. So if you're dodge pickup your second you know what So So my concern so the the problem MS is that they're saying that if when it's thirty dollars car tabs. They can't find sound transit which is a light rail that they're building here and they've gotten a lot of it built but they wanna I expanded to every metropolitan area and so that's the complaint while they want to go on the value of your car but I do not drive so I don't buy car tabs but last year I bought a ten year old travel trailer. They had nine months left on the plate. The Tab and registration and when I went to put it in my name I was forced to not enjoy the nine months. That the guy before me already paid for but I had to pay a whole year at the tuna but thousand dollars. Ge uh-huh travel trailer so it seems like one out of like seven million people in Washington state. That's getting screwed every year. Or if they go buy a used vehicle Michael that's got tabs on it already. That's millions upon millions upon millions of dollars. It seems like they could just put that rip off money right into the sound. I just I don't know how they could even get away with doing that. So you just park this trailer and you have to put plates on spark a trailer now. I'm not going to be required to get tabs because I'm not holding it up and down the highway the theory had to have tabs to drive it was but yes but when I bought this year it had nine months remaining on the license plate. And the TAB date couldn't use up that nine months I had to repurchase so they had his money and then they got my money plus three hundred dollar hold on. Let me follow this here so you bought this travel trailer so you said you don't drive so great. Are you going to hook it to the guys that I bought it from brought it here and drop it off in the RV Park. And I put a nice big Deck next to it and I parked and why did you have if it was delivered to you. Why did you have to go and get the tabs? I missed that point. You have to transfer the title to the. It's it's it's considered a vehicle but you have to go transfer motor vehicles. These are privately little thing. He's saying that business for the state but when I got there to put my name on it instead of his I had to give him a thousand dollars. What year was this travel trailer license? Two thousand seven so it's not even that new that's what you get for living how l. now should have got some from sixty seven really because it would not be followed apart already after a year of me living in it right. Yeah they're not but anyway. Yeah I find that it into a huge amount of money and used car sales. Because that's you know even if it's a month or two months the state's collecting ammonia amount of money big time And then we don't really know where that money goats. Oh it's going into the pockets as bureaucrats in the you know the budget never gonna by saying I just wonder. They're going to buy some nice new leather chairs laptops. And then they'll give it to me. This seems like an absolute Brian against everything. State does is a crime against peaceful people because you know violence behind it. Yeah so this Tim Hyman that does anything doing this for twenty five five years. They've been playing this every two year game with the cost. Anyway he's running against Jay Inslee who is basically a failed. Governor is why you can fit your ten On Ah City Hall anywhere you want now And I know people need places to live but anyway so this car cab guy. Some people hate some people. Love is now running against Jay Inslee as a governor which will be very interesting to see how that goes? GNC Ran for president. He got booted broke quick. So the CAR TAB guy. Who's WHO's the car? Tab guys advocating. His name is his name is his name is Jay Inslee. He has been advocating and doing that. For about twenty five years this has been going on where it'll be thirty bucks and then overturned So Anyway Eddie is now currently on. He's GonNa run against Gay Bleed for governor. It'll 'cause they're both basically hate it. If you're right there scumbag we audrain both. I'd walk brought teams and stuff but a lot of people love him but anyway everything that blend of Vista Social Club about Cuba. It'll be that a musician -sition made and what he did was he went and rounded up all these old players Gaz guys that we're not allowed when communism you know made the fabulous. Let's move into Cuba. You no longer allowed to gather so many people too many people and so all these musicians had to not be banned it just ended and they were phenomenal L. Jazz musician. So this guy went. And they're all like at this time they were like all like in their seventies sixties were young when they could not perform anymore in group because of communism. I can't wait till it happens here. anyway he went and rounded them up and he he likes down that like how they were living and all this stuff and then they put on his show. Oh at Carnegie Hall in the United States. It's called them but when this social club. I know I've heard that that really couldn't tell you an amazing as you look at Cuba very cool Mike. Thanks for the call. Thanks for sharing your story tonight. Appreciate it the toll free number here is eight fifty five four hundred fifty free when I was in Cuba Everybody was trying to sell me a CD of their music. You know as a radio guy. I'M NOT GONNA pay anything for a CD OF MUSIC. You're gonNA give that to me Because wow was some band was always sitting cd into the The radio station. Oh you guys have CD's here isn't that claim that's nice. Let's go to France to play it in Delaware. Aware Frank you're on free talk live Yeah Hey I just wanted to mention a couple of callers back the gentleman Dave that had called in and you guys had hit on the topic of Communism and why does not work and it has never worked and it will never work because you got some human beings out here that don't the have a work ethic and weren't taught what it means to go out and work for a few bucks in earned that money and buy something with it and how good it actually feel. They'd rather complain about the work before they even get the job so therefore they'll never know what's happened to Liz and power really really really. Is they vantage in this world that we live in they're just lazy and it makes a great point can disagree with you. I'm thinking we blind. I WANNA share some real quick quick. I'm legally blind though I'm on disability. Not much money. It's Saturday so I went ahead and work today on my Saturday off the books of course because they they don't want your work and they want you to live off the little bit of those tiny little check. They send you if you try to make your life better. Yeah Man. I dug six footers. I thirty six inches deep eighteen eighteen with a shovel by hand. I didn't use an author I want out and I worked for my money today. I made a hundred and twenty bucks so wait a a hold on. When you say you're legally blind? Does that mean you can still kinda see but not really. I could see good enough to get around. I can see good enough to walk and ride my bike. The storm back. I can't see good paying drivers like four. That's what yeah. Oh I could dig a hole better than Don don always told me back then. This is what they did. They you gotta cripple you gotTa disability on. You're going to have to work a little bit harder than the next. Prove yourself self. Yeah of course man. That's what I do. I go on a little bit extra money but guess what it's mine and I do it. I want with it great. Thank you your friends man. I appreciate the attitude. Appreciate your your perspective. Thank you makes you wonder what David. New York's parents were like and how they feel about their son. Eight fifty five four or fifty free. That's eight five five four five zero three seven three three. You can take control of the airwaves here and we'll get into North Korea story. Come up as well. This is free talk. Live live Saturday show. Have you heard of liberty. 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Well here in West Virginia You really can't own a car or property unless you actually rent your car and you rancher property because if you don't pay your property taxes the government will throw you out in the street and if you don't pay your taxes on your vehicles to government we'll take them away from all states in the United States. Well I think that it's it's more accurate to say. If you wish to use your vehicle that the government Italia that they WANNA cut true well if they catch you driving it without the paperwork they will confiscate it from now. It's also true that there are states and there's programs where if you WANNA pay less for the registration of your vehicle pardon me. It's relatively easy. All you have to do is I know that Montana has interesting project. Where Ian you know a little more? Yeah Montana Actually knows why mine. It's Montana Tanna where you can if you have over eleven years so eleven and over that raffle permanent giving the example Michigan. You only pay taxes one time and that's when you buy the vehicle. I had a cousin who left West Virginia. When they were young they went to Michigan and they live there forty years worked for the Ford Motor Company? All that time they were able to purchase like sixty five thousand dollar high end Ford. SUV's he's for half that price because they get a very steep employee discounts. They then decided to retire back to West Virginia though they had had to get their license they had to pay a big tax on those two vehicle and they well whatever they said you know the following year. My cousin calls me up. She says Jerry something wrong. They're making me pay taxes on these cars again said well welcome to west. Virginia you pay taxes on those cars for the rest of your life or as long as you own those clarify. You're saying that in Michigan when you purchase a car. There's not an ongoing car registration fee. There's there's a registration fee for the licence. But there's no added tax year after year after year here in West West Virginia here in West Virginia. You not only have to pay for the registration year after year. You have to pay a tax on that vehicle year after a year. Okay so they decided that it made him so mad that they pulled up and they they moved to Florida and they're always talking talking about how low the taxes are in West Virginia. Well let's face. It folks were the number one obesity state in the nation. We're the number one drug addict. State in the nation. We're tied with With Kentucky I say but anyway there's no reason we should even have high taxes. Ninety percent of our taxes are hidden. You don't know anything about the most people don't know about the taxes they pay here and and so they hide the taxes. I'd rather live live in a state where I know upfront. Exactly what I'M GONNA pay and why but here you don't say well I'll give you well I'll give you a quick example our homeowner's insurance we pay a tax to the volunteer. Fire Department. Okay we have no volunteer fire tired apartments in our city so we have to pay for other people's fire but we also have a fire fee every month area in our city. Well most people don't know they're also paying for volunteers. But you know Zach Station and other words you know. There's a reason. A lot of people are moving. The Florida recently came out on the Kato's institutes freedom of the fifty states Chart as number one. And you know I mean I think that's going to put pressure on a lot of states out there. Oh absolutely and But you know Florida's only got so much room like you say. Thousands Awesome and thousands of people are moving to Florida. And eventually they're going to have to do something about their taxes there. I would think I don't know that I mean mostly they get their taxation from the big rat and the other tourists that come through So you know. A lot of a lot of their taxation is offset set by the amount of tourists that come through right and two months ago. I bought a fifty four year old motorcycle and it costs me five hundred dollars in taxes. Yeah Yeah I didn't think that was right but they said the lowest tax they have on anything no matter how old it is. It's five hundred dollars per year. No that was four this year but next year. I don't know what they're gonNA charge me for next year. I'll be interested to find out so that was like the tax accident included. The I'm buying the vehicle tax the right time tax on the transfer awry. Okay yeah well I mean yeah I mean but I'll also pay on it on his island. The bike now won't Hopefully it won't be five hundred dollars still. That's a Lotta money for a fifty four year old little motorcycle chart you can go look and see what you know. Is it per axle per year. Whatever how they they assess these? You know taxes. I'm sure there is buried deep in the website of the the state of West Virginia. I'm sure there there you can read that. Nobody wants to comb through a bunch of law so hard to read it so hard to Parse that stuff jerry. Thanks thanks for calling in sharing the the Hell Bank taxation there are definitely appreciated. The toll free number here is eight hundred fifty five four fifty free. That's eight five five. Four five zero growth three seven three three now new Hampshire's got that too right where they're sorta early so one thing that we did at one point here is that when we purchased my wife's car but Mike like two thousand twelve or something. We bought it in New Hampshire. So that there's no sales tax and registered in New Hampshire but we bought it at a specific month so that six months later Because there are some rule about six months six months later when she went down to Florida she could register it at in Florida where the registration fee for a new car is only. It's flat yeah. It's like forty bucks or fifty or sixty bucks. I don't even know if they hit chain. Are the year of the car right here. They'll hit you with tax basically on the on the value of the car. Aw of the car and the value of the car this the age of the car they have a book and they determined so if you bought a cheap new car that would cost you less than if you bought an expensive Anson car. I see so. It's about the value of the car. See I've never actually registered a car in New Hampshire so I have no idea what the process right and And I mean there's there's ways to work around these things if that's what she wished to do all right eight fifty five four fifty free. 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Now the amount of money that I spent there certainly couldn't You know it's not going to buy them a new jet or anything but Certainly you can make that argument. But I think it's a silly argument to make because if for number one he says you don't know anything about communism but then he says You have to go there to find out about it. Well if I go there to find out about I'm GONNA spend some money there and he's just giving what he's knows about. Communism awesome out of a book. So what I've learned by going to China and other than China I really haven't been to any communist Communist countries that That I can think Oh. Well I don't like this. If we're GONNA parse terms on communism because everybody likes to parse terms I don't think Communism UNISOM and in its reality is even possible and planet earth but you know a country. That's run by a Communist Party. Tends to be socialist in so much as estate ownership of the means of production exists. And that's absolutely the case with China because Even the Chinese Communists will tell you that communism is the ideal. That's their their heaven that they hope to obtain someday and they're using socialism to get there now of course Twenty some years ago China China opened up their Their markets to free some a certain amount of freedom and allowed people to start their own businesses and this is when when the prosperity bloomed blossomed in China was when they said. Okay if you want to start a business go ahead and start a business. We're GONNA leave you alone and they pretty much did that for the first Fifteen years or so. They were hands off with With businesses starting up and people doing their entrepeneurship ship and putting people to work and making money and selling goods that were that were much better than the previous Round of goods but in the last ten years and this is one reason. I've decided I don't want to ever go back to China They have started to go exactly the opposite way. Now they're starting to clamp down. They're starting to tighten up and You see what they're doing with Hong Kong the Chinese Communist. Ns parties trying to put the screws down onto Hong Kong and restrict Speech and activities in Hong Kong which. They're not supposed to be able to. Who for another twenty five years according to the treaty that they signed but nothing about? I think the people of Hong Kong should be able to have self volition. I think they should be able to vote right now to say we WANNA be independent or we want to be part of the United States. We want to be part of Great Britain or whatever and I think it should be respected affected. The problem is that sometimes you know things like what happened in Crimea occurs and those votes can be twisted. Yes and you know I don't I don't necessarily agree with voting and all that but I mean as far as self determination people should be able to determine their your own life and their own direction and that's not possible at all under a socialist form of government because they require here you to participate. It would be one thing if it was voluntary socialism if such a thing could exist but they absolutely require you to participate debate in their socialist form and as such you cannot possibly have liberty or prosperity because they go hand in hand and if you want to Have Prosperity you've got to allow liberty. That's why China did prosper is because they allowed a certain amount of liberty twenty five years ago when they opened up the markets and said you guys can start your own little corner businesses. You can grow you can get bigger and things like alibaba sprouted out of that and now you know they've passed has to new line. China that says all companies and all individuals that are Chinese are under a new law that says they are are part and parcel to the communist party if they know any state secrets there's sworn to secrecy on those state secrets if they find doubt any secrets that would be beneficial to the state. They're bound by law to you. Know to tell the CCP about out those things that they learn so basically it makes everybody a spy if China isn't that what the caller was saying about the guy that was going to North Korea Korea and teaching them about crypto currency. I mean essentially saying that we are all the minions and Mir Madonna of our particular governments that the planet earth breath is. You know it's the colors of the flags draped over each one of these countries where the biggest army stop fighting. And that we're all just serfs owned by these These states I mean I know these states exist. I'm not running off to China or North Korea to give them you know what I know about the United States which is not much That's not readily available on the Internet. But I mean it's it's it's it's to me it's it's reprehensible danceable the the the Chinese government is saying that all these people are responsible for state secrets that they've never they've never taken an oath four and I think it's the same is true for any government including including the United States. Well it's it's definitely not been the case in at least as far as the United States we are not sworn to secrecy or to To be agents for the. US government held that to the guy who's facing criminal charges for simply going over and giving a presentation. In the the North Korea he's charged criminally for that. Just talking about blockchain and I've never heard of any such charge before but you know the way the would the gunar men's is going there they're just inventing stuff every year. They invent something new to charge people with. That's the same with the gun. Laws you know. They're just inventing ending things and saying well. Now you can be red flagged and you can be red flagged for whatever the heck we choose. And if you red flagged you have no Due Process Rights. We can break down your law your door. So the problem is that they don't follow law then law does not apply to them as far as they're concerned they're does the government here. Yeah well I'm talking about our government. Yeah I was I was talking about our goons not the CCP goons but the CCP goons. It also applies is to them. Well that's why I said to the guy who called earlier who was all over us on the communism topic was You know the difference is really only degrees and he was offended by that. My God on how could you compare our our loving government with North Korea. It is by degrees. I mean that's why they have charged that right. These wait tate rape frame things. 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It's Super Scien- Ryan Jim on the line in Indianapolis you're on free talk live in their guys how you doing this evening. What's on your mind taxes taxes? They got big questions about taxes. Guys fellow around here named Tara Your Mail more. He's a sovereign. He claims he's a tax expert. The man says he hasn't page. He owes back show support for twenty five years. I'm sorry Twenty five thousand in back child support. He doesn't pay any taxes on his home tom because he doesn't own his home sees a sovereign he gets to legally own guns. So I'm kind of confused here because like I told the gentleman earlier Wesley Snipes try the same something. He went to prison but he beat some of his federal tax evasion charges. So yes he he got I. I don't know exactly the specifics. I'm paraphrasing but he got like. Let's say ten charges and I think he'd be like eight of them that's why he didn't get like a long time nine. So you know. Federal Reserve notes are illegal according to Tower Jamal. More True Freeman it. Yeah okay so the guy's name is true free but you can look them up on Youtube. Who Says Federal Reserve notes are legal because there are promised to pay but apparently the US government doesn't have any money in Fort? Knox there's empty so I just want you guys take on what's really going on with these sovereigns tax evasion stuff all right so there's a bunch of questions vaults yeah I if you've got child support you probably should be taking care of your kids. Second if his just hold on gotTa answer up whatever I got answer stuff and he gave me three different things secondly when it comes to Federal Reserve notes be being illegal. Yes yes. The United States government owes money of that attacks. A Federal Reserve note is a promise to pay. It's a promise note. That's what I noticed. Not The United States government to pay the United States Federal Reserve. So you aren't being cheated in that sense or they're cheating you well that's because they inflate the currency and then rob people of their value because money represents value systems designed to cheat people. It's yes but the people opt into it by using it and you can opt opt out by using crypto currency checkout bitcoin dot com all right and then as far as sovereigns go. You're a sovereign as they let you be is the way I can see it from here. Yes I've seen people that put in some really great presentations about you. File this little piece of paper and you tell them this or you this that or the other and I've told them and they don't care and well but you haven't told them everything but there was a time when you stood up in court and said that I don't consent and they recognize that by throwing you in jail for four days so you know you're a sovereign is they let you be. I don't think that the United States government just I missed the whole well. It's you know that that making taxing people I mean. It's just some trick that they put out the federal income tax will come on. I mean then they just have to pass a law that says the federal income taxes legal. So I don't believe that that's most of the judges agenda. Juries believed that the federal income taxes. And that's all honestly all that matters is if a jury believes that the income tax is legal. Then you're GONNA YOU'RE GONNA have go a long way to convince them otherwise. I don't disagree with the tax freedom. Advocates like Larkin. Rose or Irwin Schiff or ED and Elaine Brown. These folks who've who've argued for decades That the federal income taxes a voluntary system. And that you know you have to opt into it or whatever But unfortunately if they want want to target you they will and it doesn't matter what kind of forms you fill out. It doesn't matter what statements you've made publicly if they want you behind bars. They're going to figure out a way to get you there so the whole thing was a federal income taxes. Somebody told them that it's legal. So they believe it even though you know history has shown that that's not the case so if enough people people tell you to do something through generations it's just common law because someone says so pretty much yeah well and also most of the people in America have bought this story story and so if even if somebody shows up in front of a jury of twelve normal Americans and points out to them and you know makes a case of well look here it says here. It's voluntary it. It says here you know all this evidence that has been collected by many of these tax. Freedom advocates the jury's music. Well well I pay my taxes and I I'm mad 'cause you don't pay your taxes this is your to jail son. That's the end of the story. Yes yes is the thing with the tariff fell on a challenge support. He blatantly said this himself IOS twenty five thousand housing impact child support and he hasn't been the jail over here in Indiana. I guess you know they don't have you know I don't have any children. I don't get on child support. I guess India. They're pretty lax with that. which is weird because he hasn't had a driver's license for the last twenty five years? So make that make sense. We actually have a co host. Ajay noon on our Wednesday night show. Who doesn't drive with the driver's license? I love those guys. The people that really truly believe you know these these ideas and they they put them into action. Because there's a lot of talkers out there. There's a lot of people who say things about living free but they don't actually do it and then You know folks like j noon are Wednesday night co host. He actually does it and it's a real. It's a real inspiration so I mean where the truth is on all these issues. It's really hard to discern As far as the legality of do things because I think there's a lot of strong arguments for what a lot of these sovereign folks have to say but the strongest argument is the men with guns. Who will throw you in jail jail cell regardless of whatever it is that you know you try to claim? That's that's how these people rule us is. They use violence in the threat of violence to get their way. It doesn't matter the words that are written down those are just a formality. It's just what they can point to and ultimately it's just rule by by force when it comes down to it hopefully hopefully your co host. That does that. Hopefully if he does get in an accident with someone who cover it because I know Mr Jamal he's actually been filmed hitting people and driving away and not covering marine there. You know damages so that's kind of has a license or not isn't a factor on whether they're honorable right so whether they have insurance he doesn't have insurance either he's just he's just straight free and he's just like just bear. You know just balls to the wall New Hampshire. You don't have to leave. We have insurance either. It's is not required. It's a good idea. People probably should Do that I did have an insured. Motorist was reached to. I agree with Jim that it's a terrible thing for somebody to be out. There advocating for sovereignty but not taking responsibility. Because that's ultimately what a sovereign should be doing is being responsible for the acts that they create. Because if you're just out there just you know hurting people or destroying their property or an outlaw. And you're like I'm free. Well no somebody should put put you down like they would put down an outlaw in that. Yeah I can say thank you for the call tonight. I appreciate the question. David is in San Francisco. You're on free talk. Live Good David Horia. You know a couple of different things I heard you talking talking about the idea of socialism and communism and sort of comparing it to America. You know their mom and Apple Pie arguments that bring people together to create a country and so when you look at United you stand divided you fall and you start looking at America Erica and you start looking at The taxes as used to pool together our money to be able to build things that we all get to you like swimming pools in the summertime or schools or universities or good roads bridges Whatever that we the people can pool our money together to build it and I heard the guy complaining about the fire. Tax Out here in San Francisco back in eighteen fifty Just right at the time Goldrush. There were six different times that An arsonist tried to burn down the whole city And at the time there were privatized fire fire departments and if they got to the fire at the same time they would fight each other in the street to see who would get the right to put out the fire. And in the meantime meantime the People's house would be burned down so the idea that We came up with a publicly owned utility so to speak publicly owned fire department. So that there wouldn't be fighting in the street to see who get the right to the spoil supervisor saying is is that a fire department is a corporation in a large insurance corporation offsetting the cost of putting out fires onto the individual or onto the community at large. Yes yes yes that's true. I wish we had more time to talk about it. But David or at the end of the show corporations control US feel free to call in the first hour so we have more time to discuss. Things like this Tomorrow night. 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That's a game I would play. Let's hope listens. Thanks Caitlin in the onion news network in search all right welcome back everyone. It is so good to be back here on the Saturday night. You're listening to questioning authority. Live and specify live because because there is a rerun that I wasn't aware of believe it's at this time on Fridays but anyway so this is the question forty live. Unfortunately I had to miss last Saturday's as episode will actually not really. Unfortunately it was. It was a good occasion. And a good reason why I had to miss it. Because I had my Premier right it was the first time the world world premiere. The first time the display I was in was ever performing. And so that means one V When the writer slash director she yes? She's pretty much via a The director by the rider publishes the story. My name is going to be in the original cast. So that's pretty cool so got a very very very topical in bad sorta back to the QA basics instead of just doing constant variety stuff. I just have more news. I'm going to begin international news. We'll get into international news GONNA be talking about the Israeli settlements and how now the US decision Asian to recognize them or look the other way or whatever is just going to make things worse. They are going to be talking about the French. Farmers fighting back against macron and via cosmopolitan French elites can be talking about Mike. Speaking of a cosmopolitan is going to be talking about Michael Bloomberg and how the questions Russians his candidacy raised about democracy. Sipa Mall clear the air on some some things. Many people had some questions about regarding mullah new. Let's see here my mom British Muslim Communist food questions a two party to police. So that's good but I I wanted to focus on the beltway. I WANNA focus on Washington. DC now for something called a restaurant. But I've been hearing a lot about and also your calls and thoughts on Dischord Dot eller dot. FM or or six three two eight three six hundred sixty open phones during the entire show so versus restaurant I keep hearing called the capital Grill. The capital Grill. And so that's where all allegedly all Abbie's politicians would congregate together right. It's after you know wherever Republicans and Democrats go to celebrate screwing over the American people and and so now. I'm just going to go ver menu. So I if the appetizers so the appetizer at any. I'm just going to do this for for segment. Fresh oysters on behalf. Shell so so you get six wasters with served with ice on minuet menuet sauce twenty one dollars. Twenty one dollars is for six fucking oysters. Oh how much shrimp cocktail right. Shrimp cocktail so five. Shrimp Jumbo Shrimp served with our Spicy House. May cocktail sauce. Twenty dollars this. This is insane no wonder taxes are so high they have to pay off his fucking foods so many events. That's appetizers twelve bucks for a new a new England clam chowder in DC French onion soup twelve bucks. That's actually river average. I mean for like a high place. Seventeen dollars for a heirloom whom tomato salad and chef suggestion sliced filet Mignon with Sipalawini onions wild mushrooms. Probably not the kind we're thinking thinking of and fig essence a rich twists on our popular classic filet Mignon. Thirty nine dollars forty bucks on just one meal on one. Entree Sameer of Salads Lobster Crab Burger with house tartar sauce. Twenty seven bucks. And maybe that's why we're always upset. They don't have any deserts hurts or anything but it okay so they do. They have seafood cocktail time. Here we go. They have desserts. I'm just GONNA check this out Creme Brulee twelve bucks all right so anyways. That's averaged. Listen I always wondered what these what these people eat so next now we have here. Kamala Harris aide says and the resignation letter. I have never seen an organization treated staff so poorly and I remember quite a few months ago. People were saying that Kamala Harris was going to be it was gonNA be Harris Biden or Biden Harris. Right we're binding was going to extend an olive branch to Kamala Harris so that Democrats could have the what some people would says the only winning ticket against trump where you have quote moderate moderate the Democrats establishment politician Joe Biden as President Zola ticket venue have code radical progressive. Whatever whatever you WANNA call her cop right officer Kamala Harris Avenue? Choose a police officer but I mean she certainly helped cops on. She worked as a prosecutor sending all these peace will drug users to jail hoops. Go up doing it and versus At least a lot of a lot going behind the go a lot of what's the word support behind her a lot of momentum especially when she called out Joe will called out. Joe Biden for being against busing. Right forced busing and school districts. Even even know about you know Biden said but via African Americans have his district. Didn't want it so but you know I got. I got a lot of headlines. A lot of press. WHO's able to sell a t shirt that had a picture of her as a child on it but it looks like things were falling apart? She's abandoned last. I saw the news. But Harris campaign has abandoned New Hampshire. That's all Aveiro campaign. Offices and headquarters are being run by a skeleton crew which is very interesting. It's like Vera via the Democrats have to wear a different different campaign. Like you hear. Michael Bloomberg isn't going to be campaigning. In Iowa New Hampshire I think what he was going to go South Carolina. But anyway I digress so now this seems to me just another nail and Kamala Harris campaigns coffin. Here you have an aid. And this is on the hill. The Hill Dot com it's info wars or drudge. Breitbart or anything this so. This is a hill. It begins an aide to Senator Kamala Harris blasted for treatment of staff on the California Democrats presidential campaign in the resignation letter this month. This is my third presidential campaign and I have never seen an organization treated sat so poorly wrote state operations director Kelly Mellon Bacher in November eleven flatter which was obtained by The New York Times while I still believe that Senator Harris is the strongest candidate to win in general election in twenty twenty. I no longer have confidence in our campaign or its leadership she added. I wonder if she's only saying that. She doesn't associates still able to find work in some of her campaign. Because I mean like I. I don't see how anyone could. I guess you have to be really diluted like I can't say I'm friends with but I'm familiar with some people on the the Warren campaign and it's like a cult of personality. I'm sort of like trump. I guess we're like trump twenty twenty sixteen. Maybe even more so in twenty twenty. I mean you know the the man via the dumb ass and cheap jeep hasn't really been doing any like what say hardcore campaigning. I don't mean like going to do all the rallies there's going to be a new rally in Hershey Pennsylvania and the ten foot schiff. I won't be able to go but it would have been interesting just GonNa Family Pennsylvania one visit but yeah I just I guess about that. Just sounds like a diplomatic fluffing. Their Shiro Vicodin. For Treatment of our staff of last two weeks was the final Straw. And it's very difficult decision. It is not acceptable to me that we encourage urge people to move from Washington. DC to Baltimore only delay them off with no notice and no plan for campaign and without thoughtful consideration of personal consequences to them over over consequences but very absence would have remaining staff Mellon Beker said in her letter. It is unacceptable that we lay off anyone that we hired only two weeks earlier only weeks earlier. It is unacceptable that with less than ninety days until Iowa. We still do not have a real plan to win. Okay so then how does she have a strongest prospects where she said a strong candidate if she does have a plan if she's she's laying off people act like just weeks after hiring them quote. Our Campaign for people is made up of diverse first talent which is being squandered by indecision and a lack of leaders who lead she continued Mellon dockers resignation became becomes effective Saturday today. Meanwhile representative Marcia Fudge D-ohio who was a woman who said that it should be illegal to make fun of Senator. I think it was. I think she was the one who said it should be illegal to make fun of politicians and you might not believe me I if it is her I'll pull it up and if it's not we'll via the audio soon who has endorsed. Terrace criticize size some top aides and called for firing of campaign manager. Juan Rodriguez in an interview with the Times. I've told her of her needs to be chain. Change Fudge said the weakness is at the top. It's clearly one one. He needs to take responsibility. That's worth a buck. Stops newspaper noticed that Harris declined to be interviewed. Well naturally says all right civil working orange bad just like every campaign. We've made tough decisions to have resources. We need in place in Iowa springboard rest of primary calendar. Yeah not New Hampshire and here. It says Harris's campaign Savvas Cut New Hampshire and Baltimore more. Cut Staff in New Hampshire and Baltimore in recent weeks redeployed to Iowa. Senator has also recently struggled to gain momentum polls she is among more than a dozen people running in two thousand twenty the Democratic presidential nomination. So look I oh. She's going to make a stand in Iowa and if she doesn't I I let's see maybe like what the top three in Iowa which. I don't know it could be anywhere near Warren Buddha. The Judge Biden. Whoever I mean if she doesn't get Iowa? I don't know what's going to happen to say this question Florida. Don't go away. We'll be right back are you. A crypto currency advocate. The crypto tip is the ideal outreach tool to help new people discover crypto currency. It's a printable business-card-sized art sized tip that you can give to service providers preferably in addition to a good cash tip when the service Qr Code. It'll bring up an explanation of crypto currency how to install a wallet and allow them them to claim the tip. 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Anti Semitism on Teddy's part so anyways Teddy's is going to be here and he's GonNa observe so yeah all right to go into teddy says hi too so anyways all right before we have too many many people tuning out now going to finish. I'M GONNA finish talking about Kamala Harris here. Oh yeah and so. It wasn't who I thought it was. It was not I thought it was Marcia. Fudge Democrat from Ohio representative. WHO said that people who make fun of members of Congress should be prosecuted? It was someone by the name of. Let's see here was what is it. Frederica Wilson from flow from of all places. Florida has tons of freedom. Comes out of Florida so anyways for anyone who's unfamiliar. This is what she said in those people Are Making Fun of members of Congress. Are this great. And there's no need for anyone. I don't think that is unacceptable. We're GONNA shut them down and walk with whoever. It is the shutdown and they should be prosecuted. You'll cannot intimidate members of Congress PRAC- practically members of Congress it is against the law and if a Shank in this United States America should it's against the law to make fun of people in I gotta I gotTa Star no excuse me and I make fun of people make fun of members of Congress. It was she saying. She said two different things she said they were being made fun of and then she said it's illegal to threaten it is illegal a threat. They'll yeah yeah. It is so well she referring hiring too so according to slopes which is an equivocating caters paradise full of bullshit. They save a she was referring to one of these facebook groups of of a ice agents. WHO Like I didn't see it? I allegedly INVA- facebook group. They were threatening members of Congress. When really it could just be I mean meaning what what I think it is and I don't have all the facts on it but Iver way she I will. I hope she's wrong. But secondly I think what it was. They made some memes that were like maybe of her getting thrown out of a helicopter or something. which isn't frightening? It's making fun of certainly and I mean if they were threatening or vignettes she would be right but that's what she said. She said making fun of so I mean near. I don't care if slopes Vincent's lying about this. Well no because she said making fun of and I just think it's important to point that out and that's like it was probably a Freudian audience slip or not a Freud's is probably slip on her part because yeah they also say they don't give a shit about getting threatened because they have you know cops feds if secret service protecting them. They private security already protecting them. They have gated neighborhoods protecting them. But what's really dangerous is getting made fun of because then people saw perspective them they stop listening to them right. If if someone went up and killed her she'd become a martyr she become way more useful to be sabotaged advance. She was alive. And that's you know. Obviously it's the murders wrong. It's awful. It's a sin and yeah but making fun of him on the other hand and survive. That's why it's you know who you're not allowed to criticize over one's in charge and if if we're not in charge yet we're going to try and make sure you're not allowed to criticize them. Oh yeah and so anyone who wants to call in six zero three two eight three six sixty and discord dot dot. FM to join in on the on Air Colin Lines. And let's see here yet tip dot our DOT FM. If you'd like to get a message across you want support for show sports network. Make make sure I could get teddy a nice pot of honey for being here tonight anyways. Yes Oh that's tip dot dot FM. So I'm going to finish this Kamala Harris article so now I already did finish in August and I'm GonNa talk about via Israeli excuse me the Israeli settlements that trump is trump has endorsed for going to name one after him. We're GONNA call it. Trump heights absolutely six. This is from impressed. News Dot Com which is run by a Muslim Ozlem woman of Color so here I'm getting my diversity quota in the news I cover this from Mint Press News. It's an opinion and analysis. It's written by a guy named Ramzy Baroud and it was published a twenty seven minutes titled Israel's next move real danger in us. Decision to normalize illegal Jewish settlements. US foreign policy regarding the Israeli occupation has become a mere rubber-stamp allows Israel's extreme right-wing government to singlehandedly determined the fate of a Palestinian people. It it is hardly shocking that the United States government has finally decreed that illegal Jewish settlements which have been built in defiance of international law are somehow coke consistent with international law and you know what they essay Jewish. It's very interesting because to even vote despite claims that anyone could become a citizen of Israel. Israel really isn't Ethnos State after estate for any any group calling itself calling of Jewish because it was funny like going through just a purely racial lands V.. Foundation of Israel is like a like a a European colonialists endeavour. Right you have light skinned Europeans paeans coming into a into the Middle East and displacing the local. You Know Brown skin population right now and I'm not saying that's what it is. I'm just saying that that's your look and going through. Badlands in matches up with you. Know the colonization of Australia colonization of Africa colonization of the of the Americas. And so so when I say Jewish. It doesn't really mean like Saint Jewish in a sense at all of these people are devout Jews and observe a sabbath and everything. It's just that that's that's what they call themselves. Israel Israel is proudly refers to itself as you Jewish state first Jewish state similar to how people refer to the Palestinians is Arabs. When really you know I mean I guess you have a region when they call themselves as Palestinian or whatever but people just referred of imbiber ethnic Ethnic component so it is hardly shocking but the United States discovers finally decreed that illegal Jewish settlements which have been built in defiance of international law are somehow consistent with international law. US foreign policy has been edging closer towards this conclusion and for some time since his advent of a White House in January twenty seventeen president. Donald Trump has unleashed a total and complete reversal of his country's foreign policy regarding Palestine and Israel. Let us not have any illusion regarding the American approach to the so-called Israeli Palestinian conflict prior to trump's presidency the. US has never not not even once stood up for Palestinians or Arabs since he established the state of Israel of ruins of historic Palestine in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight moreover Washington has bankrolled Isreaeli Israeli occupation of Palestine in every possible way including the subsidizing of illegal Jewish settlements. And Mind you this. V United Nations was was created. I mean me Indus- I the League of nations before it his predecessor. It was created at least the way he was taught to me. American Public School my social studies or civics or whatever they call it class but the United Nations was created so instead of using violent conflicts if the nations of world can use negotiations and it was supposed to make war illegal right where France ends can't just decide to say I want the rest of the Strasbourg region in attack Germany. But that's obviously not what the United Nations is about is. There's been plenty of wars. There's been plenty of illegal wars that they haven't been doing doing anything about. There's been plenty of genocides. Not but I'm a supporter of the United Nations. But the Rawdon genocide. I read the book. It's called shake hands if a devil by Romeo Dallaire. He's a He was a Quebecois soldier. Who's part of the peacekeeping force the UN very well could have and the United States prevented that genocide without killing or destroying anything? But they didn't so so why do we have the UN just to facilitate corruption and have the placeholder for the Satanic Antichrist's world government discussion for. You don't go away. We'll be right. Back in. The political world is a maddening cesspool of corruption and lies. Nobody tells the truth Nobody keeps campaign promises. Nobody obeys the constitution. NOBODY PUTS THE PEOPLE I. How can we ever escape? This web of tyranny vote. Vote for no buddy. 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I mean I think at least according to him he could have his forces could have prevented via ron genocide. or at least you know did some good to help it dissidents into chat commie. Puritan Turkey murderer Robert from Vermont longtime listener Ri. Well hello everyone so now. I'm going to continue here with this article on the US US foreign policy regarding the Israelis Israelis settlements. So now now it mentions. Everyone's favourite Christians Zion or Susani. Everyone's favorite most powerful Christian Zionist in the trump administration of revenge trump himself. Mike Pompeo. Well okay I guess maybe the third after Era Mike Pence Mike Pence is number two. And if you'd like to adjoining call in the show six zero three two eight three sixty one sixty or joined the on Air Discord Discord Colin lines at discourse eller dot. FM Love to hear from you. What you think about this topic about the Kamala Harris next? We're going to be talking about the French. Farmers is fighting back Michael Bloomberg and a bunch of other things. It's going to be very exciting. I'm looking forward to it so I continue over. POMPEO statement at State Department press conference on on November eighteenth fat quote via sabotage of Israeli civilian settlements is not per se. Inconsistent with International. Law is still very dangerous and it does in fact constitute a political departure from previous US policies how quickly the US has struggled. It's understanding that international law and I mean think of it as imagine if if Canada started taking large swaths of American lands as bulldozing people's houses down with shooting people if they resisted and they said you know Oh our ancestors lived. Like let's say. They debated to northern New Hampshire County and they said well our ancestors lived here hundreds of years ago so we therefore owned vis vis land. And we're God's chosen people then that's the that's the exact same thing going on obviously verbiage outrage in the US should be but international outrage over many people would probably say the US deserves it. Because they're pulling this and so yeah. Recurring case in point is V. Israeli occupation of Palestine. Also word of the. US has vetoed or voted against numerous United Nations Security Council and General Assembly resolutions. That I've ever criticize Israel or supported the rights of Palestinians. And see here. Jimmy Carter was the best regarding his peace. Process led up to nine hundred seventy nine Camp David meetings. And since the Republican Democrat presidents referred to them as illegitimate but never call to delete because they would have gone some massive scandal like Clinton did or would have been accused. Accused of being anti Semitic and Reagan called. Reagan called today obstacle to the peace. So pompeo statement isn't compatible with Washington self contradictions regarding the construction of Israel's illegal settlements in occupied Palestine and I mean normally. I wouldn't care what goes normally. I'd say most people especially conservatives wouldn't care what's going on in a foreign country if you know if Israel is between the Israelis and Palestinians but the fact is that the United States government is funding that endeavor by giving billions of dollars thirteen billion dollars to Israel just for for what Brecca annual. You have some asshole like Charlie Kirker or someone like my dad who says oh well you know the Israelis Israeli's biological weapons from us. Okay WH- name me a market where there is a good idea to pay. Exuberant amounts of money to your customer. Mersa could buy your shit. I mean tell me. Where does that work work out in the free market? No not at all and so. That's why we have to care about it because you know we're paying for it for stolen in a tax free you know stolen tax money and at the end of the day. It's all fake made up the currency so it doesn't really matter so in two thousand sixteen. Barack Obama declined to veto. UN Security Council resolution described the settlements as flagrant violation of international law adding that they have no legal validity. Even Obama was honest. I mean Obama's described himself as such an ally to Israel and everything so. This is totally bipartisan versa versa. Here we go one theory regarding the ongoing surrender of. US policies. Rail is that Washington is slowly but permanently withdrawing from the Middle East. All right. I mean this is an opinion piece and I respect but do you really think Expect us to buy that. A process that began in the latter years of George W Bush's presidency and continue unabated for up to two terms of Obama administration as well occurrence coming to Israel's wishes like America's departing gift to its most faithful ally in the Middle East. We're not at all. I disagree the Fed at all. I mean you have trump and I hadn't another article about this but I wasn't wasn't much changed where trump said. He was going to pull out a northern from Syria. That hasn't happened yet era. He's part of that is being frozen. He's you know warming up active Kurds again. You know he's flip flopping doing whatever seventy chess or just being an idiot go. I don't WANNA go into orange man bad but they certainly at all. I mean they certainly don't want to get out of Middle East you had Obama administration warmongering trying to get a boots on the ground in Libya but definitely the no fly zone Libya vows. Hillary Clinton's Clinton's doing you know we came. We saw he died or you know whatever which laugh she wants to do so I disagree with that at all but you know it's the rest of US articles. Pretty good deal to be resurrected. Another explanation is concerned with the apparently defunct deal of a century a vaguely defined political doctrine that seeks to normalize Israel rayle regionally and internationally while keeping the status quo provocative patient and apartheid untouched. Jared Kushner was supposed to be involved in that. He's supposed to be in charge of that now. Jared Kushner's in charge of building a wall in university. Were still people supporting this president. So I wonder if that means Ivor Kushner failed with peace talks and all of my conspiracy myself and others you know conspiracy mongering about Kushner being you know via anti-crisis bunch of bullshit or Kushner was successful for now. He's moving on to something else. But we don't know as being kept under wraps you know a deal to be resurrected after months of inertia Washington is keen to prolong along Netanyahu's premiership especially as a long serving Israeli. Prime Minister is facing his greatest political challenge even possible jail time for various corruption charges. Currently Israel is undergoing political crisis to general elections within six months of a possibility of a third election coupled historic socio economic and political polarization among among the people need to keep Netanyahu politically active is allies in Washington have thrown him. Some major lifelines all in the hope of winning him. More support among Israel's dominant right wing political camp by rendering the illegal settlements consistence quote with international law. Washington is paving road for Israel to annex all major settlement blocks in the occupied West Bank. So that's why I called this episode big trouble in Little Palestine because you know pal huge trouble in Palestine smaller and smaller co Palestinian West Bank and Gaza. And that's why you know. Some people are afraid that ver- might be a war with Iran soon. Because what was it like George W Bush you know in order to keep it to get some sort of popularity and have a stand a chance of getting reelected stage Iraq war zero evidence they had. WMD's was all lie. Thanks to the testimony only of our greatest ally Bibi Netanyahu total bullshit sources saying that they did have WMD's but you bet. Save a Bush presidency anytime Bill Clinton was in trouble. He would blow up some aspirin factory in the In the East and get the press to talk about something else for for a few weeks so whatever. Blunder heated die down so I mean versa concerned that Netanyahu could provoke a war with Syria or with Iran. Even just so he could stay in office. Just knock it arrested things called wagging the dog with the hemorrhaging of US concessions. Israel Netanyahu is eager for more desperate to strengthen his faltering grip on power vs Rayleigh. Leader Greet on November twentieth to advance a bill that calls for the annexation of Jordan Valley. Julius Caesar trying to keep power and he's like Oh we're going to now an ex conquer Gaul and you know never mind. I'll be legal. Oh Shit I've been doing the fact I'm a total tyrant we're GONNA get more land so you could get more money and a people just go along with it. Maybe we don't know we don't know maybe it seems like I i. It's up in the air for Netanyahu. Party doesn't WANNA see him go just because it's so entertaining shenanigans in warmongering secondly. I don't WanNa see Shenanigans in warmongering because it makes the world much more dangerous this place but we'll see all right vers little bit more left on this topic. This is question authority. Wait wait a minute I saw Thomas. 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DOT FM for a free bumper sticker flyers banners enters graphics and more promote dot L. R. N. Dot. Fm All right welcome back. This is pushing forty live and so I just have a few a few leftover things to cover finish covering Israel's story A and I'm going to be getting into the French farmers. This short article begins Michael Bloomberg of of it. So let's see here. I had to. I was convinced to you. Do a do another model. Do I do an audition on Monday for verse. I get directing class for feeder and dance department and I. I didn't know it at the time but I if if I if I addition get a role I could actually get credit for doing that show. It's a one act play and so I I am talking directors who were in the show I was doing and it was a party and I said to them I said do I. What do I have to do to audition an and they said you have to have a one minute monologue poem or song or whatever prepared and I said Oh shit he does have to be memorized when like? Yeah Fuck what I memorize memorized and so I actually had memorize a ranch from Jones and I said this is the only thing I know by heart I spend the entire like night and day practicing practicing it. Then it finally comes time for the audition and and people show up last minute and they said you have to have memorized via professors. No not at all my Shit Ed because I was so self conscious about about performing doing a radio monologue for theatre so Mike I said you know it's too late. I can't can't change and outside went. I did it. They were blown away like blew out my voice to blew out my voice because he was he was just like thirty seconds of shouting but but I got to roll. So let's wait. I'm going to be doing a Greek going. To be doing Greek Greek tragedy mental as King of a Spartan. So obviously I have you know between we now in March to get to get buffed up strong so it looks like I've been at war and troy for ten years but part of me wanted to do maybe this Monolog v This is The Hague clip. See if depending on what audience right if I wanted to audition for like an activity play or something I would do. I would do Haiti's monologue here. Those fight is our fight we are wrong we are united. We will not be discouraged. We will not be defeated. We will not be intimidated. We will not sit down. We will not be silenced. We are the worst nightmare where the Anti Semites of the world the victory. It's going to be our so showing footage of the Israelis children relatives. I will not stand with you. Thank you and God bless you know we stand with the people of Jolo Steve. I'm asking you to join with me. Every Christian and every Jew and every freedom loving American to demand that this president and Congress do whatever is necessary to a radical the evil of isis and radical Islam from the face of the earth. It has to act and I will Jesus murder who exactly. Yeah well I wanted to ask you. Do you think that Jon Hagey is can't we can't wasn't anti Semite. Would you say Jon Hagey is can't was worst nightmare. I don't think can't knows who he is when I although I'm sure that Campbell would would I'm trying I'm trying to put this diplomatic way here just like listening to Corinne on islets Campbell show show and some people. Were asking me to have cantwell back on people. Don't want me to have camelback on saying damages to show. Well I mean if I if I didn't damage show but first four times he was on I don't think having on a fifth time is going to be any worse but as to be for something right and I tune into a tune into radical agenda one day and it's like people are talking about the gropers and cantwell is defending Charlie Kirk and turning point. USA and. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. He he said he's like I can't quote him verbatim unfortunately but he said something along the lines of look. These people are but once with power and I don't want to challenge that and I'm like why. Why are you in radio? And I understand why he's doing. A cantwell is in hyper partisan mode. I mean he's what we're less than we're less than three hundred sixty sixty five days from. Yeah from the twenty twenty presidential election and can't well as the so much emotionally invested in trump. Tom and Viagra movement and by extension a Republican Party that I guess I don't really blame him for for feeling that way. I think it's unfortunate because I think he's wrong but I think that would make an interesting episode just to like Joe just trying to get the cognitive dissonance because I mean this point. Campbell is the libertarian again. At least the stuff. He's he's defending and advocating for four. Where he's he's not or at least one episode in that one portion of episode? I was listening to the people. He's supporting he's like. Look you know Charlie Kirk so so organizations got two numbers you know we need to. We need to support these guys. We need to support the you know we. We need these guys with support and I'm just like Geez. People hate you these people you will hate you like I can't imagine even if like let's say I decided you know there's a Lotta money involved in me. Like Schilling Libertarian. Party or something I mean. I'm sure all those people hate me. I mean if if they cared or knew about the show or anything that I stood for they would hate me but I would definitely not work for Sony it was I wanna I wanNA get him on for at some some point future. I will get him on just to talk about that just because of all the stuff that trump is was the trump said that he wants to destroy anti-semites also and yes so I mean I in case you haven't noticed I'm just totally out of Viva's two party system thing. It's so all right so I gotta get back so now. Now this is actually one of Teddy's favorite favorite segments of mine. Do it's called Alex. Jones debates himself so now this clip is from two two thousand six. And I've been looking for it and I that's how I and I founded when doing research for my monologue visit Jones in two thousand six. Not pulling thanks for you or listen I really appreciate your call Sir where we've got open phones here and a lot of the wars. I mean a lot of the stuff happening in the Middle East is is because of the Israeli lobby one of the most powerful in the United States. And they brag about this. You know it's called a conspiracy theory here in the US. But they bought off a lot of the preachers to go spouse this stuff that's public They have bragged Ariel Sharon Brag that he owned our Congress they have bragged and then Harare in Jerusalem. Post will we'll jump up and down and say that the US has got to do more to attack Iran and go into these other countries. You know folks always think that well well they blew up the world trade centers to get the seven billion insurance money or they get it to get the oil or they did it to be able to invade the Middle East or they did it for weapon sales or they did it for opium or they did it for Israel. It's all those reasons. The new order doesn't do something unless the cost benefit analysis it it. It helps all of their major operations and this is what it really comes down to in the final equation. The people destroying America are the ones that have got us in his foreign war has nothing to do with patriotism destroying yourself and Israel's very very corrupt is horrible things. They're very impressive to their own people and but I do think it's always important to point out that in major polls over half of the people that live in Israel are are against what the government's doing and are upset about. Okay all right so so. That's good so now I mean and I'm glad he ended it onto his. I always like to stress the importance of you know when we say Iranians are doing why the Americans are doing Z.. To say that when we refer to them just by nationality it's just referring to the government right zero allegedly leave. The government's cleaning will represent the entire group of people. Whatever we know that's not true but that's just how pe- Betcha that's how our language works so I mean everything very I pretty much agree if ever fans like Jones says it's a shame because he used to be so right about these things? Yeah you know. They don't do things for just like for one thing they didn't blow of world trading. Do nine eleven then just so they could get into Afghanistan or Iraq or get the insurance money they did for over reasons right and because virk plans are so absolute Suli Complex. These are some evil autistic people were dealing with. And it's just like just imagine right. Just how like Ian Spends all day thinking about cryptocurrency or whatever ever are your Korean cartoons these people spend all day thinking about how they could rape more children still more poor people's money create create more tyranny. Control more things. It's it's I god you'll talk about negative moods and You know negative vibrations. That's why these people are so discussing. That's why You Know David Rockefeller Lord Rothschild who. WHO's the ever guy was to think of it though Dick? Cheney that's why these people just look so evil cool and so an extra in the last minute this is Jones. What he's saying now so this is after trump got elected? Let's say how. How many contradiction? How many times he contradicts himself there? And I've been very very clear. They do support Israel videos on Youtube. That have been re uploaded when I said that in nineteen ninety seven while our say this say this now the open support the Jewish state of Israel they have been at land and it's their land and then get bullied online and by leftist publications. Going Jones hates Muslims Jones as a racist assist kills is probably on the payroll of Israel. Never been to Israel. And then I've got all these people bullying me constantly saying. I'm an Israeli agent when I've never been to Israel and it was actually you're bullying play soon because he I mean he. He admits to us. 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This is the latest edition of the Liberty. beat find US online at liberty. Beat DOT News Dot News. Your News. Now Continues Horn is usually harvested in the mid west before it's sent south to be exported according to Bloomberg but because farmers in east hurt by springtime deluge are holding back doc on supplies in hope of higher prices the commodities price has been pushed higher than the futures market in the East while remains lower than the futures market in the West. It's a phenomenon known. As basis arbitrage activists post reports the spread on the arbitrage isn't yet large enough to move large amounts of grain. But it doesn't take much for that to change that's according to Pat Bell Chief Executive Officer at US Crop Handler Anderson Zinc a twenty. Eight billion dollar government bailout has helped growers. They're falling income due to the ongoing trade war but getting farmers to sell crops remains difficult. Corn prices have been under pressure after after crops survived. A records bring rain better than expected large corn basis for the season. I've also heard export earnings as outstanding sales for us. Corn Corn Exports. So far in the two thousand nineteen twenty twenty season are trailing the year earlier pace by thirty two percent according to government data off one of the biggest problems with exploring the furthest reaches of Space Z sheer timescale involved without a breakthrough in physics that would allow human beings to who enter state of suspended animation. It would not be possible but now that's changed. The mind unleash reports. It looks like doctors have made progress with actually freezing thing. Reviving Human Beings Samuel Tishrin. A professor at the University of Maryland. School of Medicine has led a team that has actually put a human being into suspended. Animation can't Tishrin mental new scientists that he replaced a human's blood with ice cold saline solution. 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Apparently according to Fox News Mellon Bacher person who Aid in question is actually Salihi joining Michael Bloomberg's campaign as its deputy chief operating officer so very interesting and she she worked for Pillory Hillary Clinton's campaign twenty sixteen so that's interesting CEO Michael Bloomberg's gaining steam. I watched Oh. Yeah and if you if you'd like to call in six Oh three two eight three sixty one sixty or score dot DOT FM or go to tip dot L. DOT FM. Get a message across donate more seven. Four dollars supports the studio sports network. Sports show is going to be great. Get whatever message you WanNa Cross and so I was watching Saturday night. Live coverage of most recent Democrat debate. And it's like I didn't find it particularly funny honey. I thought it was very for lack of better word. CRINGE-WORTHY I just didn't find the humor funny but I mean this up here talking about was it's like they have so much material cereal. These people like these everyone running for just so absurd that they had plenty of stuff to make fun of him on. And what did they do to make fun of Tulsi Gabbard all they you know Oh said she looked like Kerala Deville or whatever ha or Tom Style right what they make fun of Thompson did he make fun of Tom. stiers like the fact that every other ad on youtube belongs to him that he has was one of his ads is is. It's like a stepper remix of his voice where he just auto tunes him saying term limits and Mitch McConnell and. I'm like you know it's somethin'. But now they didn't make fun of adults. They may in fact that he didn't blink or whatever and just so he's Idi I mean like a guy you know I'm GonNa get in trouble for saying this but I'd say they're writing staff is most likely an example of shitty affirmative action whether for its pro most likely age ride just because you see the types of people who work there and it's like they have soy face. I'm not going to repeat it. Yes I am bloated. It just be as how much fucking heavy drinking I've been doing recently. Luckily I'm not drinking fermented soy actually there is a soy based alcohol. I wonder wonder soya. Alcohol is world's first alcoholic beverage made of Tofu we all right. I'm sorry I ask so okay. All right. So I'm done talking about Israel Israel now. Let's talk about France and your thoughts opinions and everything is most welcome. Oh actually you know over black Friday I bought. I bought a Webcam so I do plan on doing my own with my own account in the future. You know when the studio is unavailable to look forward to new French farmers take the streets to save their fields. So this is from Al Jazeera America Dot Com or DOT com. The twenty eighth and it's really. It's really amazing sight. I mean you just have all these tractors in caravan driving down the French auto roads or motorways they call it in Quebec the French capital's Chic Shumba Liza had had all the tapping the trappings of a cow of a country fair on Wednesday morning. Earning Bales of Straw gumboots and puddles in approximately two hundred farmers who came from all over France to protest unfair competition crippling taxes. Some were bused to Paris by for local unions arriving at six. Am to start to protest. But we're suddenly joined by more than a thousand overs drove tractors up to Paris bringing a large arts section of the city's vital road to a halt from eleven thirty. Am so you'll naturally. France has a modern state of France has a history of revolution and so does the United States. And it's very sad that we have socialist France. You have 'em froing more. More protests more hardcore protests so both in quantity and quality better protests been been Americans can and it's not wonderful. 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I think that's Hong Kong now but I was verse. Rarely anything thing. We're like no activism going on anymore it's unfortunate Pretty much anywhere in the in the states the only real big protests. You have are organized by unions fake organized by something like move on or Tom Stiers next Gen. Age or in the case of Charlottesville funded by foreign intelligence operations can Americans is not have a normal pro to or not not even a normal can they just not protests anything anymore. And that's why polarization is so important and that's why you know the Onta into street fighting is so important because it keeps people in their online bubbles and prevents them from going out and you know actually affecting change just showing showing the showing up to Washington. DC like a million man march sort of thing say hey we have this many people who are willing to take off work or spend a weekend here in Washington making sure you know that we got your names. We got your number like the you know the tea party and they infiltrated ruined by Tea Party and just like they've ruined everything if Cohen tell pro. It's like what's the point and so that comes with a question does does France not have its own co Intel program so the National Federation of Farmers Unions and young farmers called his protests collectively to demand change on several fronts economic insecurity face by many farmers almost one third of whom earn less than the three hundred ninety the quivalent of three hundred and ninety dollars a month what they deem is unfair competition where farmers from countries with less strict food quality norms and to perceive defamation mation of French farmers by urban populations politicians who curry favor with them phenomena evocatively named Agra bashing especially with the kids named Greg Grunberg saying annual people like. AOC saying that you'll cow cow farts are going to cause a new holocaust on the planet alienated and Same Thing Greta Fund Berg. You know attacking the universe really the The lifeblood of any nation over farmers produce food. At least it I used to be in and now we have all these franken food and just Monsanto trying to have a monopoly on all plant life on the fucking planet having having terminator seeds absolutely sick and I mean that's why you on. I don't doubt everyone the Bible says there's going to be famine. I gotta be famine. Because what we're doing now is and Yosef the mall new actually had a really really good explanation of how Fiat currency and central banking creates artificial. Welf ride makes us fake wealth out of nowhere. That's whatever's livers famines and like Africa and places a few population booms because there's more perceived wealth then there actually is so that means that people people are going to be an artificially high human population that's unsustainable or something or other but but either way it's not the farmers faults and am I I was born You know I was born in a hospital but I spent my first few years on a farmstead that actually in Appalachia so he I'm somewhat biased at this. None of none of this phenomenon is new in response to previous expressions of concern about French agricultural revenues the the Government Press v Estates General Food Law in October two thousand eighteen a law which aim to rectify balance of commercial relations in the cultural sector. When you're after its ratification? However vis ego limb law is seen by many farmers to be an effective? It started going the right decision direction and I do mean started because it was. It was a damp firework. That things manual from Ardenne region so savers. All these promises that they're not keeping all this free trade here we go by okay. By far the most waiting concern expressed by farmers the unfair competition from countries with less strict agricultural regulations in light of Macron's favourable stance towards Sita and until recently Murmur Kassir a free trade agreements with North and South American countries respectively. French farmers have a new list of worries American. GMO CROPS CHEAP Canadian beef and pesticides sprayed Brazilian soybeans sir. All cited by protesters even within Europe countries criticized for lax regulations concerning less strict organic certification pesticides or simply lower costs of operations. So now I'm going to finish up this article. Then I'm GonNa talk about Michael Bloomberg disappointing already. Don't go it will be right back off looking for a great real estate investment. Consider New Hampshire which is Ground Zero for the Liberty Movement. 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People who aren't who don't have any sort of benefit in verse you know Corrupt Discussing System continuing just all got together where you have jobless jobless hippies you have hard working farmers and plumbers and you have art majors and not to gender studies made for gender studies majors will do have an interest in the system continuing but you had just had just regular people regular decent salt of the earth. People people get together. Bury don't do anything violent but barricade you know just like clog up highways cut you know. Just get rid of commerce and the consciousness go where we're going to lose their jobs. We're GONNA destroy the economy. Well I mean it's GonNa Happen I ever way. Do you WanNa do it on our terms where we say you know we know like let's see what what's the what's what's a highway. That the life blood of the eastern seaboard. It's Gosh it or was it is what is the ninety five. It's the one that goes through anyways. I you know anyone who's read judge. dredd that Mega City one or whatever it was called it was like the eastern seaboard or so whatever I gotta do this now eastern seaboard. Whatever whatever highway EVATT is just barricaded blockaded prevent any sort of commerce from getting from getting across Yeah Ninety Five. That's what I was thinking of and Yeah then people are going to be forced to listen to you. Don't do anything violent. Don't kill anybody but just you know park all your trucks and tractors shit pilot on top. You know surround Washington in DC with just piles of garbage shed and a throwback to clash for cash for clunkers and and just put all these destroyed cards as barricade Washington DC. And say. You know. We're we're tired of your bullshit we're GonNa rule ourselves for a week and see how it goes. 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No more French farmers and we'll import all those products from foreign countries and there'll be no norms apply those despite his injury European competition none of farmers saw the idea of a free exit as he wharf. We'll have solution calling instead for coat more alliances of all domains of European cooperation. Gee that sounds out alley. That sounds. That sounds racist. That sounds a fascist European cooperation. jean-baptist a dairy farmer from France's east. I said quote the most important thing will be to have the same astronomic references and we are all using the same products in order to have an overall exactly the same program Cram on every crop. The protests lasted well into the afternoon with one thousand. Eighty six tractors by the interior. Ministry's count threatening to block the ring road overnight overnight when Minister of Agriculture Didier Guillaume Open talks if a union leaders at five thirty PM. The talks appeared fruitful with a minister afterward citing his support art for movement and recognizing economic and reputational issues president of Christianity lumbar called as a halt to protest and announcer unions when meet with Prime Minister on December third quote to go over all the issues. So probably GONNA cut up some backroom deal there and screw over the little people hopefully not but it's possible six zero three two eight three six hundred sixty and discord dot dot. FM to join in on the on Air Colin Lines. See here's use use some Some more chatroom shoutouts la here we go so now. I'm going to be Tom. Michael Bloomberg got to rehydrate so now he's back again. Mint Press News by Allan McLeod or Mac Leonidas. I pronounce it apparently pronounce McLeod and I learned that after watching highlander. Those that's how I learned to pronounce that Michael Bloomberg's president run raises questions about democracy. McCarthy and a Free Press Yorkers presidential bid highlights contradictions between both extreme wealth and for profit corporate advertiser driven media landscape in democracy and freedom some of expressions is published. Twenty seven after months of speculation former New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg formerly announced a high profile file big money campaign to become a Democratic presidential nominee on November twenty fourth be seventy seven year old former Republican has decided that he is perfect candidate to prevent the president from achieving second term. Bloomberg has a long history of support for conservative positions including endorsing George W Bush's war on terror and defending defending Israel's two thousand fourteen assault on Gaza g real great positions to have various specially in the Democrat field and in 2014 Michael Bloomberg went so violently right wing that the White House is Valerie. Jarrett had to stop him and save. Israel's bombing a five hundred sleeping Palestinian and children was inexcusable. He defended in so that's a video on face. The Nation primary reason why self-described conservative has the ability to credibly. Enter the race at such a late date is his financial clout. Bloomberg is the world's ninth richest individual enjoying a network of nearly fifty five billion dollars and he owns a huge net media network one of the largest in the world. His recent entry into Iran has proven controversial with many who see the plutocrats power and influence as an unfair advantage sawyer. Hackett sounds like Mark Twain character. The the National Press Secretary for his Democratic Nomination Ponant Julian Castro noted that if somebody had made half a million dollars per day since the United States is founding in seventeen and seventy-six poor of Michael Bloomberg Himself Hackett concluded. That kind of wealth shouldn't be allowed to levered. Success in our primaries writer and former New York Times columnist ain't add jury Dr Herrera Ida. Excuse me can pronounce at pointed out that Bloomberg's pitch to the American American people but its wealth makes incorruptible therefore more fair for more trustworthy. Oh Yeah Hey hey you can trust me. I'm not involved in any way too much money to be involved to lose. Well sort of a question. What did you do to get all of that money? They say anyways somebody say illogical given the Democratic primary is currently attempting to impeach a billionaire president on corruption charges arguing. That could being very rich gives you more interest not less. It is for victories Elizabeth. Warren has accused him of trying to essentially by the nomination yet. Well I mean you know. Elizabeth Warren is also trying to buy the nomination just instead of using her own the money. She's using the treasury right. She's promising people. Oh we're going to give more money for turn early. 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And it makes sense on you know fucking like one of richest people in the planet's doing it and But another danger of at Bloomberg represents is danger of freedom of oppress as Vanu Republic warned the twenty seven hundred journalists working directly under him in his extensive media network are in an impossible position convey truly report fairly ended in unbiased manner on the presidential race when owner has such an obvious and important stake in its proceedings meetings. If history is any judge the answer will be no Silvio Berlusconi scrawny for instance uses vast media empire to propel him him and keep him in power as Prime Minister of Italy for nine years. Oh Yeah I mean just having one of having some sort of non biased ah organization behind you is especially propaganda. Organization is so important Leo Frank. Has Anyone heard of Leo. Frank Leo Frank raped and killed a little girl in like the early nineteen hundreds and that's why the AD L. was formed to put a positive live spin on this guy. Because Leo Frank was Jewish and he was just a total ma. I don't think it was gang gangster. I just WanNa make sure the easiest. He's a child raping murderer. So it's a here ago. He was a factory superintendent and he trying to find any of my why so anyway so that was was created to it was created to cover up and put a positive spin on that and so I mean basically you know Bloomberg Bloomberg because he ad L. is like it's it's it's obviously. I think it's been pretty much expose now to the average person as an anti free speech. Hostile yes just just a hostile organisation compared to Bloomberg where it's like you know it's a media Radio Bloomberg TV. I appreciate their coverage on some things Bloomberg editor and chief. John Mickel announced a series of top-down measures attempting to head off his problem instructing the company to simply not cover verbose or any candidates in the Democratic primaries. Of course they can do that. How how a major new salad is going to ignore? Such an important ongoing process was not explained explained yet. The company appears to already breaking this promise we organization three negative stories on Elizabeth Warren. Any twenty four hour period earlier this week was this a response to her criticism of his actions or an attempt to undermine one of the most popular rival candidates. Chances visit question that arises uniquely in a situation where a politician owns the means of communication. Bloomberg billionaire has muddied the waters waters between his political interest and his media empire even fervor by hiring. David Shipley Tim O'Brien executive editors from his news outlet to key positions in this presidential campaign and yet another important danger of media. Freedom is the fact that Bloomberg is promising to lavish enormous amounts of money to corporate media outlets form political advertising. Even before he officially announced his candidacy. He had already spent thirty three million dollars in television advertising alone beaming his message. Nationally and in ninety eight local Oh man. Markets with the prospect of a bonanza of seemingly bottomless pit of advertising money will corporate media outlets under the intense financial pressure be influence influence in their coverage of a billionaires activities versus always a quid pro quo when he accepts funding from any powerful person organization. So He's been a bit Bloomberg's been getting endorsements from here. Thomas Friedman of New York Times claimed as a president he would could forcefully put a Democrat pro growth pro innovation pro business agenda on a table in a column entitled. Why like Michael Casillas New York Times his colleague Brad? Stevens cheered him on his article run. Mike run argued that the wonderful thing in choosing a conservative Republican as a Democrat candidate was all his usual Israel. Republican talking points about the Democrats being too liberal would not work on Bloomberg meanwhile one New York Post commentator said. He was delighted at the plutocrats coach. Saving Party already from out of Touch Socialist like Warren. Can we be sure of advisor genuine expressions of support or merely a calculated quid pro quo. This again is a question that only arises arises. In a corporate advertiser dominated media ecosystem corporate media have every reason to prop up the bill multibillionaires campaign keeping him in berets as long. It's possible knowing that the money will continue to flow as long as we do not portray him poorly. The New Yorkers presidential bid highlights be contradictions ends between both extreme wealth and a for profit corporate advertiser driven media landscape democracy and freedom of expression any expansion of democracy and solution to dilemmas require fire seriously questioning whether IV's I two or legitimate as Bernie Sanders said billionaires shouldn't exist. I fucked up that that imitation. Excuse me and so anyways it is interesting to think like how. Many billionaires got ver- wealth on Verona. And how many of them had significant if a government backing or help or had to do something incredibly immoral in order to get to that position so now see here of some time left before here. So Stefan Mulinuu clear and so now this is. This is a tweet so now just because there's been a lot of negative things actually teddy brought this to my attention actual bring teddy here here. We go teddy Teddy's a huge fan of Stefan Mahlangu Teddy food from From his cave and so so Stephan Malu has been a lot out of a defamation. New saying he's all sorts of awful things especially here on free talk live so now. It's so now mommy's clearing veer so he said on twitter November nineteenth says I oppose making light of a Holocaust. I oppose all arguments for ethnic cleansing. I oppose support for Nazism Fascism and communism. I oppose all Paul Aggression and violence especially against kids. I stand for free speech. Free will private property and non aggression principle. So this is this what Steph NNL on news stands for chilling for his book his his Free Book. A free book called Essential Philosophy. So they're all you people antimony all new people why are you ruining a movement You know because I mean the mall new is the biggest actual real genuine. 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I want to ibis clips and someone posted inva- discord a Some of Ben Shapiro which flew over my head. I just wanted to play this. This kid this is this is a kid who's destroying conservative inc.. And I mean I don't want to denigrate. What will quote? You'll what point does is done. It's not not not him. I mean he is the focal points regarding the groper or you know the Conservative civil what fuck you WANNA call it. Because he's not actually going to any of these things he did. Go to one and did kick down. Charlie Kirk tried to get the police after him. So that was a pretty shitty thing on kirks part to do but the main boots is on the ground. I mean if if anyone who would be the was Vincent James No relation of red elephants doing it but I just find it funny that I took this kid right and I just a very mature. We're gonNA play very mature piece of his visit. This stroz depth of went as his Political political thinking so this is a guy who destroy conservative and this is a guy who got Ben Shapiro to to Shit Shit his pants or thirty minutes on a stage and not even mentioned the guy's voice so this is a guy by always. I'm nerdy libertarian and frequently sarcastic these people should be put in jail. These people should be put in jail. That's a made me a statist. I didn't read some economic thome. They convinced me that there's actually something wrong in the economic calculations with the free market. I didn't come to that but I saw these people and I thought these are the people that are a threat to the welfare of the people. These are the people standing. In the way of the will of the nation being executed. They should be put in jail jail. And they're like really use the government to coerce me. You would put me at the end of it because I want to like watch. Marvel Marvel Superhero movies. Yes come very go so come on just killing me all right. So this is a guy who beat Ben Shapiro. This is a guy who beat Charlie Kirk and Ben Shapiro or at least was the focal point behind. Did veges shows how anyone could have done it. I mean you know it just. It's just the right person in the right time and the right place and the right reaction to I mean mean of Charlie Kirk had just done what he's doing now. Just let the people talk and talk back and say you know. I disagree with the premise. I think Israel's our ally thanks so much for coming out none. None of this would be happening right now and it doesn't look like I think I don't know if he cancelled the tour I mean. Obviously it's Thanksgiving weekend but all right so now last actually last and least we have kid rock and the only way V. Only think the first time I've ever heard about kid rock was when he was talking about running for Senate in Michigan and it seems like such a shitty situation he probably could have won. I mean even as a Republican. He probably could have one but he didn't and so. Now this is hi. This is kid rock dren. This is why this is exactly why I've You dangle this is exactly why I I try and cut back drinking on the air and mindue performance. Well only on the air. I don't I don't go on stage drunk or Effingham not WHO does go on stage? Well I can't everything I just. What Ron White from? What I remember? When he's in blue collar he would have like a Mug of beer and a Cigar in one hand but this kid rock drunk talking about Oprah and this is some event is doing to like he gets the head rock era. We'll see we'll be the judge and so our hypothesis apart. So part of me wonders. If he meant Whoopi Goldberg and Joy Behar because both of them are on view. Ver Ver of a to premier chicken heads on the view and but he gets worse. It just gets worse here from from from here the races you called her. She was singing right now Gene race out often be like from my side pacing around the ground you want. It gets better one women of leaving her. Does it look up what that means who actually okay. It was just a little bit leftover again for for my view that woman or whatever whoever's doing doing the recording the video I mean all he did was just say Fuck Oprah Winfrey off my people talk to your people and which my understanding at least in show business means. I'll have my agent or my secretary rap. Talk to your secretary rap. We're so famous and important. We can't even talk to each other. We have employees to talk over employees to talk to each other over but now like are just in our environment and the whole hyper p. c. and and everything all you have to do is just insult someone who happens wants to be black and then they say oh automatically. Oh you're racist. Oh he's he's criticizing a person of color always raise it and then you have fucking idiot. All he has to say. Well I mean first off. You shouldn't say he should. It's a at this point. You should stop talking. At one point. His security does drag him off stage. A which is coming up in the video he then just straight up admits he he says. Oh I'm he's like yeah. You know you might say kid. Rock is racist. Well yeah and I mean this is just on. I don't think anyone takes kid. Rock is seriously enough for vista like ruin his career. But let's see how far out down he takes it UH Now he's being dragged away my security. Oh my God he was absolutely fucked. I I'm curious what kid rock drinks. I wonder what kid rock does is. But unfortunately I don't mean to make fun of a guy when he's when he's fucked up on stage I know for certainly enough clips of Of of back when I would do that on cody's show and say things I regret or just go on a rampage but I mean that many people like a live event too so he says Gosh Kid raw so he actually did explain. He took to twitter to explain the dislike of the talk show Megastar or he claimed Oprah's people made him professes love for her before he would be allowed to appear on the program. Oprah has not publicly responded to viral footage. Well she's above that. I'm sure she has like three times as much money as kid rock ever had and so he he goes on twitter and says my people tried to get me to do the Oprah Winfrey show years ago in her people. Want me to write down five reasons why I loved her and her show kid rock claimed I said fuck that and her and good for him for keeping his integrity. So on Friday footage filmed inside. Nashville is big ASS honky. Tonk rock and roll steakhouse I got to go to Nashville now. Just like go there Jeez man showed the star up on stage. trash-talking media mogul INVA- shot clip. The musician was seen squatting up in vulgar manner. Complaining Oprah Winfrey like Hey I want women to believe in this shit fuck her. She gets sucked my Dick Sideways. He went on. And if you say people say hey kid rock. I'm pretty sure rocks racist okay. Fine Fuck off Very interesting so does it his rambling performance and go. Well offer crowd and they appear to be waiting for live music to restart and he continues he. I wonder what he got drunk on because like I don't know for me it's like Galaxy here I know I did do Karaoke. That was the only time I ever did any sort of public performance around other people drunk which is sort of expected to in this country to do Karaoke somewhat intoxicated and I did. What was I did? A Frank Sinatra's fly me of a moon and she was a d Martin's kicked me to behead or something I don't know if Ian was go to carry okay on on on the on certain nights I don't WanNa Dockside one insane people. Just don't want James to show up drink karaoke. That's the last time I'd ever want to see. James is Doing Karaoke Paul immediately. Start seeing busy staying alive. If I see that crazy truck truck this question authority. 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I am so excited to introduce our guest entrepreneur reading Hillier I keep bringing you the legends. I keep hearing showstoppers gotTa Bring Wars people in 'em button none of a band of Lucan Ilia Regan thank you fica. Regan International was Jeremiah Vision. That everyone has the ability to unlock the greatness and achieve extensive financial and personal abundance. And she's a self made multimillionaire. Serial entrepreneur success coach coach Forbes contributor thought leader keynote speaker all a crazy amazing. Good things phone Kronenberg in Alphabetical Mexico. This is his everybody. Welcome to Measure Savannah casts your whole for anarchy on the Internet. I've got two great guest coming in It's actually a person who are two people who are referred to me by KRISTOF NOT ST. That guy was wrong. He's going to be speaking again. ARCA Polka this year and he said he really wanted to have these people regan and one PA involved in Arca Pogo. And he said he's got them agreeing to it and he sent me some of their information and it looks amazing using what they talk about Talking they go around the world trying to help people free themselves how to be more abundance things like that a lot of the stuff that we talk about a a hearing on the dollar vigilante channel as well and they're actually and I travel a lot. I just trying to connect with them. They're actually just arrived in Peru In Area Peru. But that's and and we'll just get into it because I actually have never talked to him before I just briefly via email. So I'm I'm gonNA along with you. Get to know them. So thanks for coming on guys in the first question I always ask everyone is how did you become voluntarily and either of you can answer. Yeah absolutely absolutely yeah thanks for having US and yeah intensive my story I mean I grew up in Auckland New Zealand and was very much on into the system. The system where I was expected to go to school in Westerly Hot and get good grades and I went down this path and my father that wasted to me Regan. If I had your opportunities I would have been an architect and sorry. I started added studying architecture university right and I read forward and I had a actually a lecturer at her really working out from this one moment. And he got us to a visualization process versus where we picture the future of the architect that we're suppos-ably blunts bay never got super inspired and excited by that and I got absolutely terrified because I saw This this this picture of this feature out in front of me that I realized I was conform. Winter from other people's roles and start. It was in that moment where I went. Hang L.. Let me actually ask some questions yet. Maybe there's something outside of this system. Maybe I do actually have the ability to create a life that I'm madly in love with from my so not from a projection rejection of what someone else's told me I should be doing in my life. And some you know that's me into personal development at a really young age and investing heavily in different mentos IOS and coaches in education. And you know a lot of trial and Ariza but I hit a place where I was really looking for the answers outside of myself. Initially I had a mental eventually flips. That and said Hey Reagan if you really want true freedom the Stotts from within this doesn't stop from grasping outside of you. You've gotta ten and woods and so the minute I started started doing that. Everything shifted if we fast forward to now with your most different I we call them freedom businesses right because they created on attemts and we really help people all over the world stiffened to a true life of freedom and what if a way that looks like the them and generally speaking. That's outside of the system and even creating new e-systems so people can actually flow and high away. Yeah that's the core of it. Well my name is fine. I was born in Costa Rica. uh-huh very different story from my end. I have nine years old. My brother got really sick and the system. The medical system told him he was gonNA last one one or two years and we totally rebelled. We're like no way this is not happening. We're going to make him just live as many years as we can and we started traveling. Healers Healers Shamans everything you can imagine. I started opening my mind to all that wasn't available really the system in those times and he just opened the up up to help people. I saw how my brother got better and better and I saw the craziest things happening with healers and Shamans and I learned so much myself that I've got fascinated with helping people people free themselves and I was just seen so many people dying in in conforming to the system. In what the system had to tell them that unlike I am an awakening. I am here to help. People realize who they are. Let go of all the believes that have been set and we took his truth so that was my missions. Since I was young I was like always being the positive one in my house and at school and always I went too much to like almost to the perfect tried to be the perfect child you know until like fifteen years old I rebelled and I'm like no on the rebel. I Hate I hate the system and I don't want to be the perfect one in I kind of got lost into substances. It's a little bit and into partying and kind of went through the other extreme but that just took me to my inner freedom to see that. That wasn't freedom that it wasn't about. I even became violent. Alad with the system. And you know in my university and I was against everything but I realized that wasn't take me anywhere that the freedom was really from within. I didn't even need substances absences to feel freedom. And at seventeen years old I quitted everything and I got into a community of leadership and started really doing the real work and getting free we from from from inside and then from just traveled the world helping people free themselves in connect with their inner power. That's why I've been about for more than twenty five years. There's definitely it makes a lot of sense guys to come to an archipelago because a love. The stuff that we've been talking about is very similar to to what the the path that you guys have been on and actually you mentioned. Actually I before I get into this. I actually want to play short clip of your. You got a little bit of video of yourselves doing doing some of the going around and talking and stuff like that. I thought it was really good. So we're GONNA throw that in just right now I am. I'm so excited to introduce our guest entrepreneur. Even Hillier I think bringing the legends. I keep bringing showstoppers gotta bring people in him button none other than the Lincoln Ilia. Regan thank Regan International during my vision that everyone has the ability to unlock the greatness achieve extensive financial and personal abundance. And she's a self made multimillionaire serial entrepreneurs success coach Forbes contributor thought leader keynote speaker all of the crazy crazy. Amazing good things. How are you guys to give you permission to dream again? No what if he just gave us off. Regan who are the most extraordinary human that I know you have taken me to places. I didn't necessarily even want to go whatever's differently years painting this vision because your mind and you'll energetics and how this works. It really doesn't know the difference between dreams and reality Alad this ties into our once. I might the millions of dollars. Then I'll be the millionaire when I'm in the amazing relationship then I'll be totally in love guys. The highest south comes. You can either get out the car you can give up necas hidden those or you can continue to drive to what supervision and you can say you know what I respect trying to keep me safe it up gauntness get in the backseat. You come from his history of slavery slavery slavery is credited yourself right now. That's maybe unfortunate but too many out any such little combat and you do the clan that ship that change your by rioted and when we change our lives we change our free consumer change a frequency. We've around us and then our realities coming very different uh-huh Humbert. Aw Aw we not. As a result of what you're opening that's how it was was speaking breath every now and then you come across someone who's super special and has a very unique gift and race elite for me that was coming across pine. He's phenomenal day. transformative it's home. Show revealed to meet my beaver. I am reading. Are you ready. We'll have inspiration leaper but you don't just awakening Lincoln. All you are all PAS. Just an awesome teacher. Transformational need her. He's such a giver. Give up his talents. Everything that he's learned he's been on amazing his own journey and now he's sharing that journey all of us and it's a beautiful things not one blow is a unique teacher. who draws together the learning of many disciplines from around the world integrates them into unique powerful and beautiful fools style teacher so that's number one staffing food number one of success because some is made me money? Not because this. What's helping people giving others is being you amazing stuff? You know you guys. Don't do what you know about an Arca Poco or that sort of thing but it actually started off about five years ago with a lot of angry people and people wearing black t-shirts and they knew the government was a big problem in their lives and still is but over the last five years so many of us have transformed from being kind of just angry and upset and and And that sort of thing to actually what you both mentioned which is kind of going inside of yourself to work on yourself to actually be more free in in that respect and and through that actually in Arca POCO started a whole health and wellness sort of event a few years ago which has become incredibly popular where people work on themselves so many different ways so many different types of things including psychedelics. And things like that and and you actually mentioned one of the you kind of got into drinking too much and that sort of thing I did as well and then I started to realize a lot of these things and now I live such a better life because I come to a lot all of these realizations. So what would you say the people out there like you know who might be watching and going. I don't know what he's talking about like. Go Inside Yourself I find your true passion your freedom all this sort of stuff like to some people. They just haven't really heard that before. Yeah Yeah for me. It's really like the past. What what whatever you give? Why are you here for? We're not here. You know just to make money or just to live live in have a family and children like we've all got gift so so really taking the time to see like here like what what what was therefore. What's your fire? What lights you up in the morning and get up and feel inferior inspire you know? Inspired expired in spirit for mean-spirited is living in spirit. Leaving with your soul in with your heart leaving with with your inner genius coming up you know new ideas new projects six new relationships like letting just lie flow through you instead of thinking that you're getting through life so so it's really leaving from the thriving in life instead of surviving and trying to almost just barely make it. Yeah it's kind of lead this lesson the hard way a little bit when I was starting outing out in my physical development Jenny really on a quest for how do we create a life that I'd love outside of the systems that familiar with and I was like a sit in visting A.. And all these different courses and everything was outside of me it was. How do I invest in real estate? How do I how Lynn Sales and marketing like all these things from from the outside ride? I got into a place where I was over. Six figures and personal dead credit cards pissed larence that maxed out from every corner but nothing was working and I wasn't seeing results and I couldn't understand why may even stay to one of my main talk. I said look maybe. I'm not cut out for this. Maybe I'm not meant to live this life that I'm dreaming dreaming of maybe that's for the other people and that's when he said to me he said Reagan. You've missed the BU. You've missed the part entirely success in whatever you want to create eighty percent. Sandy internal game eighty percent. You'll psychology your energy. Your your wiring from the inside out and then twenty percent. What you do strategically on the outside and the twenty percent is still so important and you still need to know what to do on the outside? But I had that flip I was eight twenty the wrong way and the minute. I actually flipped that and actually turned within Lin from the inside out any Netflix and my life started changing and I started seeing results. Yeah that's great so many people like you said at the start regan like you kind of like the society kind of puts you in this sort of thing and they give you all. These programming basically basically brainwashed although a lot of ways through the government in schools through the television programming. You have to do this. You have to get a job after work to your sixty five and then you're going to sit up each. It's ridiculous actually and I actually. I think retirement for me when people say Wendy want to retire. I'm like what do you mean what. What is that like what stop by living? My passion doing passionate things at some point like that sounds like death to me and but a lot of people like the Kinda. They've they've listened to that and so many people have and they're kind of like in their nine to five job. They don't even like their job and a lot of them are probably doing similar. The things that you did not. I did a lot of them as well. I took a lot of courses and I wanted to be a stockbroker and I was studying all this stuff and and but you know. What would you saito person right now to? WHO's kind of kind of stuck? They think everything's in your mind. They don't they don't realize they're not but they think they are. And what would you say to them. They're working this job. They don't like what should they be doing. Well I really feel like if someone's watching this listening into this and they feel this way. The most important thing to remember is that you are in control of all of this. And it's actually a process of taking your power back because we've unconsciously sleigh consciously given our power away to so many people and systems and parents and Co workers and the universities in the schools and the governments and and I could go on right but all these systems that we've consciously or unconsciously gone. Oh that's just the way it is when really the minute we start asking a question. Well is that the way it is and is there another way and what those another option available and if I was to actually ask for what I want in my life what would be different right now and so I feel like this person. Inquiry and transformation starts with the purchase of actually questioning everything and and not just going. That's just how it is because I've been brought up this way and and that's all I know but instead pulling the pot a little bit and getting curious and maybe there is no other aunts of what if there is and you're actually missing it. I mean I feel. That's why people get to stop with US definitely. Yeah look back at my life a little bit so to give people some examples when I started the dollar vigilante which is sort of my financial channels newsletter sort of thing and then I started anarchist. This show in two thousand eleven. I started garbage in two thousand ten. Anyone I told what I was is planning on doing said I was crazy. They said that's crazy. You're gonNA talk about anarchy. Everyone thinks that it's just throw bombs. People are gonNA think you're crazy. It's never going to catch on. I talked about the financial aspects of a lot of this stuff and coming from like a very anarchy and Arco capitalist sort of angle and the people were like that's crazy. No one's going to understand what you're talking about. No one's going to listen and our ten years later and I've got numerous large businesses including an Arca poco which which we're expecting up to three thousand people this year all because I felt this passionate was actually way back then that I like. I have to tell people what I've learned because I new most people didn't know a lot of this stuff and a lot of it was on the financial side to start and and but I had no real idea exactly how we would all work out. How would conventionally make a living from doing this but I just jumped into it and that's actually something you talked about entrepreneurialism? Actually before we started the show. That's I've been my whole life so so every business I ever started. It started with just kind of like throwing yourself off a cliff and all your friends and family and you're crazy you're stupid. You're going to quit your job at the bank and just try to do this thing. That's that's crazy and every time for me it's always worked out quite well. I've had some business failures absolutely but in general it's always has worked out way better than even. I thought a could actually a million times better than I thought I could really although at the same time and I have to say this I always have have the. There's a thing about me and I don't know if it's just like I don't know if other people don't have this or not but I have this confidence that whatever I I'm going to to do I'm going to do well at it like it's just something innate or something maybe I got some opposite brainwashing when I was a kid. I always have this confidence so I don't know if other people maybe don't have that so they're kind of like Oh. I don't know if I can do it that kind of thing but when I do something I even though I don't know how it's going to work out and I don't know it's going to work out. I know that I'm going to do my very best added. I'm going to do well at whatever it was even if it ends up failing so maybe you could talk from that perspective Devan Kinda like entrepreneurialism and taking those chances and following your passion which I talk a lot about because so many people are just doing things as one plus. I'd like it just. They don't even care about what they're doing. If you're doing that you should just stop immediately and I don't mean like two weeks from now I don't mean tomorrow I mean like right. Now if you're like I'm I'm serious about this if you're working at a job and you just hate it and you have no passion for it. Just quit like right now and I know a lot of people are gonna read the comments. Oh Jeff you you. Some people could be living on the street tomorrow because I doubt it actually and actually. That's what a lot more people kind of need to do. What are you guys Yemen? I just want to start fight with this question for everyone that for me just changed my life and really got me into entertainers and it's like are you being Roy real with yourself. Are you really we living your dreams. Are you really leaving the life that you deserve to dream to live because many of us as you said we were not. We're like zombies. And we're like us is to like. Oh this is just we conform that life is like that and now we don't have to have pain in our bodies. We don't have to have our mind foggy. We don't have to have emotion go up been down. We don't have to be super overweight or we don't have to be barely made five financially. We don't have to wake up beneath ten cups of coffee and few energy this. This is bullshit. This is part of what they taught us. He was normal but is part of the domestique. Ation that has been in society. I call it domestication because we're all oh born while we have this inner wild in us that is like that creative being that wants to explode and share our gifts and have the best life ever and in deep passionate. Love what we do share with others what we do but but the Taurus not. That's wrong as you were saying. No that's crazy that's wrong. You need to be another brick in the wall in this kind of killers kill. Our vibe keels are fire kills our essence and we just become a Robert Right. So that's when I questioned. People really are. Are you living leaving your life fully. If not from one to ten manning innovates below a seven like a really really stop. Everything you're doing right now take a couple of days to brief read journal on this stuff and get real man and start getting connected to to what you WANNA doing. This live because you have everything available infinite possibilities but you've got to start up you gotta stop the machine for a second you got to get out of that. Survival mode will be wired into living in survival just barely making it right instead of thriving and the moment you stop and you say like Oh my God like why am I here really for what is my passion what we want to do for the world man they you start tapping into your full potential and you start getting fired up with all these ideas and they will happen as you were saying. Sometimes I don't know how it's going to happen but it's going to happen. I have that confidence and and that's why we were the inner work we're talking about. It's about building that inner governance as you were saying how many people have that. Many people are leaving fear endowed so why not work with that instead of trying to work with something outside of them work on transforming the fear. Transforming the Dow's forming all these limitations that are not to and and from there they will naturally thrive because we are here to be free to thrive. Yeah absolutely. Ns Remembering you have a choice right so when you make the choice to go in and start doing this command look at the fears and look at the self doubt and look at all the Times you've given your power away and look at all the systems you're in right now that you actually don't want to say yes to cause is in on your highest the minute you get. Were unreal with that. Then you're in a place of clarity then from an alliance place you can actually make a soul choice and guard you know. What do I choose use to actually commit to taking control over my future and creating my dream life and this manifestation and this thing here on this thing here or am I going to choose to not do that? Because you're actually making a choice either way right when you are in these systems and you think you will just in them like you say oh I was just I was just born into them. It's just how it is. My whole family's always looked like that you're actually still making a choice. And that's what people don't realize they are. They've given away so much that they forget or even making a choice because it's so unconscious in its own to the surface after you've gone through this alchemy. That's where you actually ask one of my choosing right now and when you make a choice. That's a powerful choice in alignment with your peppers and alignment with lice of the highest vibration. That's when the fire that is talking about gets ignited. That's been it naturally. That's that's coming online and you'll like you know what I'm going to create this. We'll do this. We'll build this figure this out no matter what I'm GonNa do it but the fire is because you're actually making a twice from his soul decision not from a distorted place of what everyone else thinks you should do. Yeah absolutely I kind of wonder so many people have been put into the system now for so long it's been like at least one hundred years probably thousands of years. I kind of wonder what humans were like before all of this because even just the school system the government school system which is absolutely heinous like it just kills the creativity of the kids and it takes a sucks their soul basically the kids. They're not supposed to be sitting wooden chair when they're six years. Hold writing stuff down being yelled at buzzers going off. Go to room to room tell but then five years later you go to your career counselor. And he's like well you have this option of jobs and you know this sort of thing. I kinda wonder like look like the native Americans reckons little bits and I actually here in Mexico. basically is native Americans so they just weren't as genocide as wiped out where up up north quite a bit then they got really destroyed with all the welfare and all the all the things they did. I put it on reservations. It's it's horrible horrible stuff but I kind of wonder like who knows maybe maybe a thousand or ten thousand years ago when if humans were a lot different and I wonder if we're kind of just starting to realize that again and start to get back to that and there's a bit of an awakening getting what do you guys think about that. And then I think we were much more connected to the earth one connected to nature completely much connected to tried I to community to live into working together to to to to co creating together. We're here to CO create. Forgot that we're like one cell of all these whole being that's pulsating that's earth. We are part of her and together. We Co create we can create heaven or or or hell here on earth but the moment just in our egos and just in separation and just looking for me me me and scarcity and there's not enough for everyone and we gotta fight for these gotTa Hustle for these. We've got you know. Pushing pushing pushing is all these like like almost disconnected masculine energy. That started getting in the way. But if you WANNA lies the site is before they were they were guided by woman to woman. Were the ones that you know would be like in that like warm kind of like fertility abundance and and held the Mandy Moore in their hearts you know at the men would listen more to the woman but not only the woman outside the woman inside of is the feminine inside of us. He's not really about a male female of the body is he's more about the energy and we have the both balanced energy insiders. We enter what we call the surrender manifestation your manifesting but you manifesting from a place of intuition Jewish from abrasive flow from a brace of following your soul is set of following what you think is the best or what you think is the best steps for me. I can tell you I took my son out of school. He's out. We took him with us. Twenty countries this year. He's been learning more than he's learned. He's fourteen years or whatever he's fourteen. Whatever eight years in school or whatever but he'd written his book is called? He's got his own podcast. He's got his to all nine business already. Going on fourteen eighteen years old. He's rocking it. You know and like that was one year of receiving sign. Best time ever. You know so we're all about you know homeschooling and really wake demob. The mob and nurtured her gift is so easy to just hold space for them and let them be in there for potential. Yeah absolutely we actually have a full sort of unschooled thing at book go. We also have the free your family camp and I really recommend if people if you've got kids and a lot of the sounds like kind of crazy to you right Geico because it's so as are the box of what you've heard from the system your whole life really like take the chance. In my opinion. I'm not just saying that's sort of my event by like I take the chance and just come down with your kids and see what it's like for them to be around other people like one. I don't know if you're bringing your kid or not like you are great awesome. Yes around people like that. I've been around so many kids who've been kind of home-school but more like unschooled where there's really no set structure of anything. They're just traveling around doing stuff stuff with their parents which is so important. That's actually a huge part of this problem is The system over the last few hundred years has taken the kids away from their parents which is the most important place that they should definitely be and they just throw them in this basically concentration prison camp with a bunch of other kids their own age who also were very confused and and and then they're just forced to memorize mostly propaganda for like twelve years when they get out there they can't even do anything whereas one PAS sons for teams already got numerous businesses. That's very normal with with unschooled kids. So but I've actually heard this a lot. Actually I've seen it on facebook a few times few parents I. I'm not sure if I'M GOING TO GO I. I'm not sure if I have enough if money that sort of thing and you know I was Kinda same to them you know. Don't have that mindset lake that have the mindset. I am going to go now. You know. Maybe you won't we'll be able to maybe just won't work out but as long as you're like the mindset like I don't think I can. I don't have enough money when you're in this negative sort of mindset. Maybe you guys can explain this cutting. I can tell you guys know this stuff. I'm just learning about it but when you're in this constant like I can't oh I don't think I can these sort of things that I don't know how it works. It goes into your subconscious. Or maybe there's something about like the energy of the universe. I don't know how it works for that. Actually when you say can't you won't be able to. And when you say I am. Damn all of a sudden things will start to align it sounds really airy-fairy in hippyish and all this kind of stuff. But I've been doing for a couple of years now this sort of thing and so love. Many people like my wife and many my friends everything seems to go really well for us now whereas in the past I'd be like I hate this. I hate the government I I. I don't think we're ever GonNa fix this and now I'm like we will fix this. I am going to be a part of fixing and it's all starting to flow so you can tell. Are you guys kind of understand this kind of stuff so maybe you can explain it to people. Yeah definitely and you're right and I feel like it goes beyond just thinking positive. It's not just like yeah. Yeah it's going to be perfect. It's actually reconditioning your mind especially your unconscious mind and linked to belief system which is linked to unconscious belief system and our unconscious is actually. What's driving the Shar? Say even if someone's writing estimates every day and they're like yeah. Yeah Yeah. Yeah but they don't actually get into the unconscious. Mind the nothing. Nothing MASHES GONNA shift Sir Win. We start doing this. You can literally sit down if you're watching US listening to this and ask yourself with something you want to manifest like. Maybe it is getting kids to disadvant- right and in the past you've going. Oh I don't know if I can blah blah blah all of that in your head. Sit Down and physically purge all of that out get out on paper. Just write down. Oh you're fee Goyo doubts old stories. You've been telling us out. Just get out. Then turn the page. You can rip it out. Ben Do whatever you want but get a fresh page and from that place ask yourself okay. Okay what does the highest vision may now choose to believe and this is where you write down. I choose to believe that I get to go to this advantage. She's to believe that the money's going to manifest choose to believe that is going to be easy. I choose to believe that I fully supported in this process. And you write it out and you write it out and you write it out now at the end of this is not uncommon to look at this and and what will I would love to believe that by aren't right and after you set there for twenty minutes writing this out you to a place where you're like I don't have to leave it. You've gotta keep going always like a muscle you don't go to the gym workout once and all of a sudden have like a six pack. It takes time. It's a muscle you've got to practice it so the next day you do the same thing you right down and you know what you keep going on this until you got to ride out. Whatever those beliefs and you can't even remember why we're writing them out because it's already your reality reality? You would not sit there and Gar I choose to as the sky is blue. I choose to believe you'd be like the sky is blue of course this guys. I'm going to write that out you'll be like of course I'm GonNa that Van. Of course they have the money to do that. Of course I'm fully supported. You get to that place where you're actually vibrating with that. And you know the air when it shows up in your physical reality but until it's turned up you gotta keep going you gotTa keep doing the workouts as far as we can send yet. That's awesome and I wanted to add something of of the what we're going to be sharing them on our Caputo Geico because he eats all about what we're going to sane of working with the unconscious mind but also learning how to bring the unconscious mind out of your body because many people work through the mind within the mindset and mindset is fifty percent. It's amazing as Reagan was saying. It's not the worst thing or like. Oh Yeah I am abundance. And that's it but it's like if your whole being is saying being ninety five percent of being saying I'm not good enough I won't make it. I won't make the money. I don't be served this. I'm not loved all the stuff that we carry that we I don't even know it's in our cells. Go beyond our mind. You can be repeating whatever you want in the mind by. The nervous system has reported these. The nervous system is like a machine like a computer that records everything. We've lived specially when from zero to seven years that you don't even remember or no. It's all been recorded there so all the work we do do all the work we're going to be. Sharing is how to bring the mind out of the body for the body to be free again in you can use the body full of energy vehicle manifestation prefer station. That's what the body is Cerro being a baggage that you're carrying from your past. You're you're repeating your bass from the memories you're reliving the past. Ask Constantly Shift those memories from your body. Yeah it's a pretty amazing for me. Personally it's been just last few years that I've started to I do and understand a lot of these things and a lot of it. was things like meditation. And it's amazing after a couple of years just like you said we'd like you can you can just like anyone who's never met a to go meditate today. It's not going to do too much because it's like it's gotta just do it every day until it becomes xenos sorta like just like anything you just have to get better and better at added that sort of thing and even the last few weeks I would say I just started to notice some thoughts on my head and you don't really notice them because you're not really aware them until you can can kind of work on yourself or meditate to a point where you can start to notice them because the kind of almost like in the background and I think everyone's got them and I can tell a lot of people have this actually say the Moda they say things like I'm not good enough I can't that's actually like programs in their head but I actually started to notice a few of them actually like I'd just be like just just sitting there and I'm like what the heck I just I said I hate I hate my life. Where did that come from? And then go into meditation. I'm like war. Where ars that coming from? But I was probably saying that most of my life those sort of things and when you're saying that over and over and I don't understand it all because I think understanding a lot better than I do I think it's just constantly. Let's track of of negative thoughts for whatever reason or in there that you don't even notice that keep perpetuating a Negative things in your life. Yes man thank you for sharing that. Because you've just nailed when you said like the back of the brain without even knowing but that's what we call the animal brain and that's where we you should live. That's our survival mode the frontal lobe. Right here were our vision is our manifestation connection to the universe or two source or to the sun to the stars however you want to call the street connection you know where your channel opens whatever that is but he's actually the frontal lobe ORB which is where you have the visions in the visuals brings the manifestation but we're so used to live in the back of our head which is our survival mode of protection. They're going to hurt me. They're going to damage me. I HAVE TO PROTECT MYSELF A. That's there's not enough. Let me just struggle more so that shift that we want to do. And that's why I love bringing quantum physics into the world because you're saying many people when we start talking about this this. Oh that's a hippie thing that's the thing but no no. There's no mobile nece year with quantum physics. Six we can. We can prove how we've been living our lives in the back of our brain how we can chief that energy and bring the energy from what we call the talent gate actually the back of the brain and when you open doorway through breath through meditations or the practices that we guide it opens up starts building the Carlos. That's the that what what connects the left and right side of the brain. Both of them start connecting which is the masculine feminine side. We start entering that harmony that balancing our lives in we start. We're getting to a place that we can. We feel unstoppable we feel so connected to life and Bois ourselves and to our mission because we start building that mountain that power power comes from within. But you got to build it. You're going to build it from the back of the brain start flowing all into the front the law. That's where you activate the gamma brainwaves. which are the the brace of lists of abundance of feeling so good with yourself and with live but we got to do the work in order to bring them? They're not going to happen too. Low and really simply put your everyone has a mind and has an unconscious mind has an energy field on a body and and it's like a system and the system. It's like a computer. The computer needs a program to run on. And so what happens most of the time. It's running on an old program and it's running from these old programs from Tom a childhood or even from a family lineage if you look up epigenetics proven that stuff is passed down through a DNA. Poss- live stuff. They could be many different elements as to to why these programs are running. But you know like I friend beaks that you every few months and it's like system update software update update the update me and shot up to updated as systems like that. True when we go to I into something new when we go into a new frequency bandwidth when we step into a new layer of vision. When we take back off Powell in another way we have to clear out the old programs? It's like create these new programs to to run. That's a lot of the core of you're talking about money. So many people have so many bad. SORTA the thought ideas in their head about money and I know numerous people even people. I'll even mentioned by name Larkin. Rose is one of the top speakers in cocoa. He never seems to have any money. He's always scared astrum money. He's he feels bad about get receiving money And I think this is also another program. That's just in a lot of people and I don't know why that is exactly and you know some people will say well money's really bad you know if all you want is money or bad person. Yeah if all you really want is money so you can have lots of stuff so you can show off. And you feel you'll powerful and all that SORTA stuff. Yeah that's kind of stupid but money in itself to me is just energy is just a transmission of energy from people. So if someone's doing something something and they give something to you that you want you give them back in the form of money some energy as well and I think people just really have kind of a a lot of people not not everyone but a Lotta people almost limit themselves just through their their beliefs on their own worth and on things like money. Yeah absolutely and we see does all the time and you know when it comes to money. Yes it's energy and we also love to see it as an amplifier right and so ultimately it's going to amplify the essence of who you Sir If you're really greedy and selfish and don't WanNa do things in the world and you don't have money. Will you be doing that on a small scale. And if you didn't get money then maybe more people will know about you. You disturbed rich greedy selfish things on on this scale but it's the same thing if you'll someone with a pure hod in humble Kahad service and you WanNa leave this will place and urine have any money energetic resources to do that well. You'RE GONNA do that on a really small scale and that's a choice you can choose to manifesto. Large amounts of energy through money and tap-in have that amplified and actually lays the world a better place because at the end of the day whether we like like it or not we in this money system and yes it's now evolving and shifting and there's a lot of movement and a lot of stuff going on right now which is really exciting but we are still in a world where there is this monetary exchange and sir. If it's just years sitting by yourself you don't hit the capacity to Mantis and tap into more money. Then the scale of the impact impact you able to create is small and it's a lot harder to do so as well. Yeah I love that for me. I also see money like we see it as a rebel from the system. Instant right all all our rebels that I know the anarchy is can have. We'll have a rebel inside right and we're like rebelling against society in what it is so let's find in other ways to work does not without money. I've done that all all my life and I've always done exchanges with people exchanges of energy like so much and people have common learned with we need through exchange like I love that exchange to buy. I don't feel like that is going to take away from the money. That's okay that we're creating our own system in one day we won't be working working with the regular money that we know of. That's for sure by. That's why we got right now. So why Myers will open up and make the best out of it and help help us much people as we can live the best life ever that we can enjoying every cell every minute of it and use it in the best way we can. It's not about who owns the money it's about what's what are we doing with the money and like kind of negative wounded rebels face against money and against the money system and you can be blocking that and then you also block your capacity to open up through curiosity to new money systems that are emerging that are available in this much coming through. Christoph is working looking so deeply on a lot of that right now and helping people wake up to that. But if you're sitting there and rebel going money is the root of all evil. Then you're not going to have access to even the new and credible credible monetary systems. That are actually trying to fly through right now. Yeah even that old saying which of course gets implanted in our brain. A lot of stuff is just programming. Ramming money is the root of all evil is actually I. I believe in the Bible was the love of money is the root of all evil. And actually I would say yeah. Greed is pretty bad. It's one of the worst things out there. And that's what you're talking about about ego and wants and needs and all the sudden scarcity and all these the things but even people get that one saying kind of screwed up and they're like oh money's the root of all evil money's just a tool just like anything else and you point out rightfully that this money system the way that most people using the world today I try not to use it but almost always have to because most people in the world today still use government Fiat currencies but that is actually yes absolutely terrible system and that's as you pointed out we're trying to create new systems crypto currencies. So we can get away from that horrible sort of slave centrally controlled centrally actually planned a control grid structure into a free structure. Where everyone where you actually become? You'll actually hold your own currency in your own brain and if you want using cryptocurrency and actually become your own banks as that's a pretty amazing sorta stuff but yeah just to get back to the point of a lot of people have this. They're very negative. Sort of thing about money and all of them seem to have no money and and there's other people who seem to be very kind of like like you guys are in and a a friend of mine like job comes to my. He's just so about money's again. Make lots of money and you know we're GonNa do this do that. And he's always got lots of money and Lougee said it's a it's a mindset thing and I don't know what you guys think about this. There's this sort of law of attraction sort of thing and there's the saying you create your own reality and to some extent. I kind of think both those things are real. But how real is all this stuff like what kind of a funny question. Because I don't think anything's anything's all that real but like like for people the probably I actually understand done a lot of this stuff now but like when you say you you create when you fix your mind and get that doing the right thing all of a sudden you create things like what extent. I'm very confused how it all works but it actually appears to be true true. That's that really if you if you can just change your mind All of a sudden your life changes and it's like it's almost unexplainable to me like this make all sense do you guys do you guys just noticed. Notice this happens and and just go this kind of works no as we were saying managed or quantum physics with things we can we can. We can prove this right now. It's really all about energy. And more than the affirmations and the law of attraction yes dot works but that's like fifteen percent of what we have available if we add into that like the unconscious mind and releasing whatever is holding us back those beliefs but as we said before those programs needs to be changed from the core four of our nervous system. It's not just the mind people were just on. The brain is the brain. The brain goes right back down into the tailbone and from the table need expands spans. It's all the way out into the toes and the fingers like the mind these everywhere. We can't see the mind just in the brain and that's why we're all about embodiment. The whole thing like every cell needs to be reprogrammed every cell needs to be awake and back to its natural state. Because that's all we're doing we've coming back to where natural state abundance it's natural state. Well is our natural state if we're not living that is because something is blocking it. Something is on the way. We're I'm not letting these flow happen because we all full of ideas. We all have the capacity to be an inner genius with thousands of projects coming through that are going to help. Millions of people are going to create so much money that's just going to be shared with the world. That's our natural state but in order to live and he's not just like repeating it an summation and reading a book right. You got to do the work constantly. Like what are you thinking. What are you thoughts aligned to what your emotions are you in a low vibration emotional you constantly Andrea you constantly frustrated or are you constantly grateful and feeling good and celebrating life? Because it's really a game it's the game of manifestation and in order to debate. Play the game. The winner of the game is the gratitude the gratitude acting from gratitude living from gratitude level. Gratitude be your natural state when that happens from the core of your being you start emanating these energy you can measure with machines you can mess you. Photographs of this. You can see how much light is emanating from your nervous. In this in this slide this energy. He's what calls the same back to you. So whatever sign or oh you're meeting out your broadcasting Zainal our out as the antenna that we are because we are like like cosmic antennas here and we're vibrating. Something we're sending out into the universe. Why does that silence is a sign of good enough in a have to struggle and like Sunday will happen or societal? You know like it's already done. I'm already aligned to that and and just being grateful because that's already happening in my life and the universe gets you back so so fast if you're aligned with this energy but it's a lifestyle as we said before is let it be your lifestyle instead of being a half an hour practice of let me get aligned finding the right vibration. Yeah I just remember. There was a video by Josh Mason of Detox Deeds. And he's going to be coming to narcos well and he was talking a lot about this stuff about money and how he had that switch click in his brain and you went from not never having anybody to having lots of money because he actually he brought up a gratefulness was actually the big part of gratitude so he would say anytime even pay freight think he'd just give gratitude so when he went to pay his rent he said in the past he felt l.. Doll angry it's like who is this guy. Why don't have to pay rent for this house? And now when he pays anything like his rant thank you so much thank you. I have this place that I can live right now. Thank you gratefulness. All this sort of stuff and actually said one thing that he actually went to a counselor sort of a thing about money which was very interesting and I I think a lot of steps quite good to do and the guy told him thing on Josh said at the time he thought the guy was just crazy and the guy said there's no difference between being rich and and feeling rich so if you actually don't don't have a lot of stuff but you feel rich there's no difference between that and you actually being a billionaire or anything like that because if you actually feel that way then then you're you're just like Bill Gates actually your boy better and Bill Gates Bill Gates as messed up but that is interesting it's a lot about mindset and so I'm really glad you guys great to meet you guys like we could probably talk for hours You're totally on the kind of stuff that I'm into right now. All this sort of awakening consciousness of stuff and and and I'm just learning a lot about of this stuff and so many people that are talking about this really glad you guys have come down really excited. We haven't really decided how you're going to be speaking or what you might be doing or maybe a deal workshop. I don't no but maybe you guys can just mention in the meantime what you do how people can follow you any sort of things that you might be doing that. People might be interested in right now. The gas vertebrae we run a lot of different Live events and retreats we speak all over the world we have online products and clauses. So this place. Probably he is an old my social meteors region Hillier. And then it's Regan. 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M. in studio here tonight it's Ian and mark so one of the things we've done over the years here on free talk live is on Thanksgiving or in this case near To thanksgiving we do. I would say we're pretty consistent year to year but there's probably been a few years where we haven't done it. We like to tell the Thanksgiving story not the one they told old you in school squash. Oh Yeah I remember that. S- Cuanto and planting the corn and Indians were so happy to see the pilgrims when I was in school. Oh yeah sure. Sure sure they were So there's like you know the whitewash version of Thanksgiving that they teach in and the government schools and then there's the other story you never heard about probably unless you've you know listen to the show in the pastore happened to have come to the right place. In this case it's the future of Freedom Foundation that is going to provide the version of this year in surprisingly. It's actually a fresh writing of this. Sometimes we've read some. That are a few years old So somebody has rewritten rewritten about this old story. Once again the news stays the same from year to year on this particular story the pilgrims and they're they're old Thanksgiving this this one's written by Richard Ebeling and I've tried to cut some out some of it out here to To streamline it for their says in the new world the pilgrims rooms erected a new Jerusalem that would not only be religiously devout they wanted to erect new Jerusalem that would not only be religiously devout but be on a new foundation of communal sharing and social altruism. So this kind of sounds nice things good. This kind of thing was beginning to get the you know. Some legs eggs in this time frame. And then you know comes up through the English revolution and then by the you know the eighteenth eighteenth century you're talking about Excuse me the eighteen hundreds. You're talking about a lot of different experiments in communal living happening. So who could be against sharing. There's nothing wrong with sharing in elementary school or preschool. Or whatever sharing great as long as it's voluntarily their goal was the communism of Plato's Republic in which all woodwork and share in common knowing neither private property. North self interested acquisitive nece so acquiring things. Well it sounds to me like people were on board with this. It sounds to me like this is what the community wanted to do. They wanted to have this grand experiment in communal sharing sure. Then that's better people to start with and people who want to do it as opposed to just shoving it down the throats right. Who Don't want it? But yet what resulted is recorded in the diary. Very of Governor William Bradford head of the colony the colonists collectively cleared work the land but they brought forth neither the bountiful harvest. They hope for war nor did they create a spirit of shared and cheerful brotherhood. The less industrious members of the colony came late to their work in the fields. And we're slow and easy easy in their labors knowing that they and their families were to receive an equal share of whenever whatever the group produced. So why work hard if everybody's GonNa get the same amount for the different amounts of work for those of you who've ever been in the military for those of you who have been in. I don't know other institutions prison comes to mind. There's always some of the guys some of the people that just I try to do as little as they possibly can. I remember one guy had to go to the military for this. This happens in every elementary school classroom or middle school or high school where they give you what they call a group project. You have group projects there's one or two people of the three or four person group that does all the lion's share of the work yeah usually one At because one person's better getting getting a job done then. 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And they're raping us for all of our money with each taxes. It's ridiculous it's unbelievable believable. It's uncalled for its on constitutional and I'm sick and tired of it man and they got the media covering up every single thing that they do. It's ridiculous I'm ready to rage against the machine. John I have done by Bledel best to try not to read the articles about this situation to me. Ukraine is just Democrat for Benghazi Right. I mean this is all politics as far as I'm concerned however I have read a couple of things and one part that I can't sort of get restrained in my mind. Is that one thing that we don't generally say about politicians is. They're stupid or or they're not crafty. Crafty crafty and a crafty person would not bring up a story. That's going to get themselves themselves in trouble. Their team in trouble and you would assume so if this is as as clearly against Abidin and his son as it looks like it is then. I can't understand why they brought it up which kind of leads me sort of wondering They WanNa see think Biden wrote maybe but either way this isn't going to sink trump and it's gonNA make the Democrats look bad and looking bad right before the twenty twenty twenty election is not the thing that one should try to do. I mean look any worse though. I don't know the Democrats their their core wanted this. They wanted an H.. Meant hearing for trump. It doesn't matter whether it was for you know Russian collusion and memes on facebook book or whether it's for not cooperating with the FBI. They don't care if it has to do with a tax returns they don't care what it is but they want him taken down they want him. You know flayed ignominiously In the press and they're attempting it but it looks like they're failing really. Do you think it has a part of like them because the Democrats are known for trying to rewrite history of course I think they want the impeachment you know they just want the label label. They know he's not GonNa get convicted in the Senate. It's going to get thrown right out but the fact that he just has impeachment connected to his name as the president of the United States. They I just want to tarnish his name in the history books dirty evil dirty people man. They they don't care about nothing but our man I'm telling John. Thanks for the call tonight. Appreciate your thoughts. I think that's pretty much what happened to Clinton I mean you know. Here's a guy that got impeached for you. Know whatever it's looking like collect one hundred thousand dollars speaking fees right is looking like a pretty lame impeachment at this point twenty years thirty years out for twenty five years out whatever. 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This is free talk live. You can bring up whatever you one here. The toll free number is eight fifty five four fifty free like freedom eight eight five five four five zero three seven three three the Thanksgiving story the one they don't tell you in the government schools and for good reason in government. Schools are place where they shove propaganda. Down your throats to get you to believe a certain way and the reality is usually quite different as we're going to discover here. Marcus sharing a another version of the story that We've told many a time over the years. This one is recently published at the future future of Freedom Foundation F F F dot. Org is their website. Plus I want you to know about another great site which is Freedoms Phoenix Dot Com. It's a liberty oriented into news aggregation site if you want the newest and freshest stories amp perspectives on current events from those who care about freedom. WELL FREEDOMS PHOENIX DOT COM has them the daily dispatched. They have is the best way to stay up to date on science technology historical findings Liberty News government overspending in the rise of the police state freedoms with an ASS PHOENIX DOT COM. THAT'S FREEDOMS PHOENIX DOT COM. So mark. You were just getting into the story about. What was the town that this this happened? Bradford was the governor it was. I don't know it's mentioned in here somewhere but governor Bradford and I think this was Jamestown town. Maybe it was the other one. I don't know the less industrious members of the colony came late to the to their work in the fields. And we're slow and easy in there. Okay okay this is wearing the died at least the Plymouth colony than that sounds right knowing that they and their families were to receive an equal share of whatever the group produced. They saw little the reason to be more diligent in their efforts. The harder working among the colonists became resentful that their efforts would be redistributed to the more lingering members the group right. So what do they do if they're resentful. They're going to cut back on their effort soon. They too were coming late to work. And we're less energetic in the fields. I mean Anybody who's been the manager knows that you've got to keep some kind of integrity around the start time for work. Sure because if you don't then fire people for being late. Somebody's coming in fifteen minutes late if somebody can come in fifteen minutes late and still has their job and everything's fine twenty it right twenty half an hour pretty soon You know it's just show up when you want work as long as you want Leave when you want and that's not gonNA work in most businesses know. Somebody's got to be there to open the doors. Otherwise the customers are gonna add that it absolutely true. I worked at a Health Club at one point and those people that come in at six. Am I just overslept. It's a bad idea to have a twenty year old. Open Your Business up at six o'clock in the morning but I was doing my best and I did find for weeks but there was one day and it's just late and what are you gonNa do. So the less industrious members of the colony Excuse me as in. You're twenty and you're in prison when you were twenty. I was in my twenties. Okay Gotcha Yeah The collective work created individual individual resentment as governor Bradford explained his Old English though with spelling modernized for the young men that were able and fit for Labor and service US did re pine that they should spend their time and strength to work for other men's wives and children without recompense the strong wrong or men of parts had no more division of food clothes etc.. Then he was that he was leak and not able to quarter the other. What the other could this was thought an injustice? I'm adding a little bit here. And they're trying to make it More palatable to a modern audience the jude engraver men to be ranked equalised Kalis way labor and the food and clothes and etc with the meaner and younger sort thought it some indignant and disrespect unto them and for men's wives to be commanded to do service for other men as dressing their meat and washing their clothes etc.. They deemed it a kind of slavery neither could husbands Brooklyn because of the disincentives and resentments that spread among the population crops were sparse in the rationed. Equal shares from the collective harvest. Were not enough to ward off. Starvation and death two years of communism and practice had left alive only a fraction of the original number of Plymouth. Plymouth colonists so it wasn't necessarily that they were randomly struck by some bad luck or whatever that the growing season didn't work out it was is that their political organisation was a failure right economic organizations matter. They matter a lot and it's because economics is about out human behavior and you can see here that some people that are able to do more work don't like it that they are doing their work to take care of other people and people don't like it that their family unit has to help other people's family that they want to do it on their own. We can see human nature says that people one share but they only want to share as much as they want to share And they don't want to be forced to share once you're forcing people to share. Then it's just theft. I mean I don't know what else to call it. So that's what was going on here. Conscription that's a form of slavery and that's it's what they were complaining about the part of the thing that you know communists have to eventually if they're paying attention if they're being honest with themselves is they can't go against human nature they want to they. You know they have this grand vision for this massive sharing experiment and this is like you know a an an experiment that they attempted in this Plymouth Colony With the Communists think that you know they can they can if they can just change human nature that they can have this this system from work and it you can't well there's also it's understood that it's not gonNa work. If you start with no money right you have to have some money to make things work and the rich people. Don't WanNa come join an share. Even when you can look at the colts where people join and give their life savings things well a lot of times they just give their life savings away to their parents or something like that and then you know they decide later whether or not they want if they really have some money they don't bring it in usually they might bring some but they're not bringing it all and you know the poor people can bring their whole life savings in you know. Here's five dollars and thirty five cents. I've got leftover from this week's La- Labor and here I am to start to join your cult so you know well the airport with you to try to give away paper flowers for money And I remember reading an article like this about Thanksgiving and I liked the one line. That said the Thanksgiving for the Plymouth Colony was less a a celebration of a bountiful harvest and more the final meal of condemned men. And that's kind of what they're showing here with You know the fact that they were moving into starvation going on realize who years later said they were starving out realizing that another season like those that they had just passed would mean the extinction of the entire community. The elders of the colony decided to try something radically different the introduction of private property and the right of the individual families to keep the fruits of their own labor as Governor Bradford. Put it because it used to go into a common storehouse from was then distributed and that makes a lot of sense when you're setting up this colony. Let's just try this everybody'll everybody will work everybody'll eat and it'll be fine but now it because because because people don't WanNa work that way and so cannot just say they don't Wanna the work they certainly do want to work when they can be rewarded concomitant to the effort that they're putting into thing that doesn't mean they're not willing to help a sick person or you known as somebody else who for whatever reason can't Can't assist with the work but that has to be chosen right. Not Certainly don't like it when somebody else looks like. They're doing less work and they can work right able bodied and they're they're shirking their duties. This just drives down innovation and drive down productivity the toll free number here if you WANNA join us. is a fifty five. Four hundred fifty free. 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There's others who think revelations is where it's at they just stay there waiting for the end times all the time and it. It makes me wonder what happened to those early Christian communities that basically practice communism did they just sort of fritter way because you know they were so unproductive that people thought that they were their minds are so full of things have happened that there were no earthly use. You never really get an idea of what. Yeah I can't say that Be some kind of you know scholar on early Christianity. I mean I've paid a little bit of attention to it here and there I mean you know one thing that comes to mind is that That fort that was Can't remember off at the top of my head. I was there by the Black Sea. Where the The the Romans laid siege to the Jews for a long time to Masada until they committed suicide. But that's all I can say is that I mean it tends to be that. Communism doesn't work workout in the long run. I have seen some co OPS. Were cooperative businesses work and communalism as opposed to communism communism. I think that You know if system works we ought to help hold it up and say hey this is working. There are some commune's that have been around for many decades Ed's right but you WanNa things you will notice is that the membership doesn't stay consistent that people come and go. Oh really. It's more like a long-term hostile sort of situation. You know like all right. I'm here with this group now and I'll follow these rules and do these things and then later it's like okay. Hey I'm on my I'm on my way This is good but you know I'm changing my direction and you'll also find that many times there's this sort of core group of leaders in any of these people come and some people go as he's been mentioning and and essentially the the leaders are doing better than everybody else so the ones they're not the ones out in the field are the ones telling people to get out in the field and there's also a few other aspects that aren't mentioned here a lot of times you're talking about people who want to Have Practices that aren't acceptable and mainstream society and they're trying to facilitate acilitator. These particular practices quite a few of them. It's sort of wife swapping her whatever it is you want to call it and I think is what it's called return. Yeah well don't expect me to get it right. Mrs Mrs Edge has a strong prohibition against any sort of thing like that. Yeah so I mean I had a friend who lived at one called dancing rabbit. I'm sure listening on the radio right now. And he he goes he called it a sex cult now. I suspect the reason he did that was simply because he wasn't quite interested in whatever the swap and they were talking about. But you know maybe it's just a a hidden little secret on these things. Hey Matthew any other comments go ahead. Now that's about it. I mean Rush Josh tells this story Basically every Thanksgiving and It's good for it to be retold the you know basically The true story of Thanksgiving thanksgiving is that they were giving. Thanks for finally getting our whole harvest after changed to private property ownership. Yeah Hey thanks for the call. Well Matthew I appreciate the toll free number here is eight fifty five four fifty free. Let's Talk to David in New Mexico. You're on free. Talk Live with mark. Yeah first of all that the on the things being in the Indians the got a question for you but Clinton impeachment leave started in the Supreme Court and Adam Schiff let's throw that in there. Yeah and then So the the the I think you're looking for the word tribalism. She'll communism worked for eternity. When it was tribalism tribalism which encompassed all of humanity before the last Before written history. Put it that way which is tens and hundreds of thousands of years. It's just not the last few thousand years it was tribalism and it basically worked and yeah there was lots of nasty things. But there's Oh ten are there is a hundred thousand times more nasty things today than there was under tribalism and that was basically fit the description of quasi communism communism that pretty much worked. So let's take tribalism and lead into the Indian. So you're talking about Thanksgiving story so let's Ask the Indians what they think about about Thanksgiving and then started to tell you before basically You know they won't call you and tell you themselves unless you really push them to call in other than Oh come on calling from the heart of Indian country here on your your affiliate k. e. n.. And the four quarters now now home nation and I think you're also saying saying that the Indians don't WanNa talk about it because of the violence the car because they don't They're not exactly happy with white men Europeans whether they be northern European like myself or Southern Europeans Spaniards. They're not exactly happy with them. They're carrying a bit of a grudge. The little it's a little bit understandable and basically they never wanted to be part of white society and to the best of their ability they are trying to maintain their own culture sure and keep to themselves and for the majority it seems and I'm not speaking for Indian. I'm just speaking for myself on my observations. which are you know? Pretty Pretty close close at hand In but they don't they don't really want to they want to vote they don't they don't they don't they didn't ask for any of this. They don't want any of this and so they won't participate participate unless you kinda solicit him other than since we're talking about New Mexico All the Indians in New Mexico will know the you know the one guy that likes to interact with the with the culture. You're on the radio MIC Toya City bus driver. A thank you for the call tonight. Definitely appreciate it The toll free number here. Eight fifty five four fifty free. I'm in the Indians definitely got a raw ordeal when it came to white man coming over here when the North American continent collided with a South American condit the predominant Predator on the South American continent was a large carnivorous bird that quickly went extinct really. 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They've got a piece that they wrote up. Apparently this year about the the Plymouth colony back when the colonists were coming over here from Great Britain and such and they set up initially a communal structure. meaning that people would were expected to go work and they were taking whatever it is that they harvested the fruits of their labor and put it into some sort of a common house and then from there the stockyard or whatever it was they distributed to the various different members of the community man as it turned out this experimenting Communism. Communism just didn't really work out because well people want to be rewarded based on the effort that they put in and when those who were willing to put in effort notice that those who weren't really that willing to put an effort you know were shirking their duties even though they clearly could be working. You Know Oh all my back. Oh it hurts. I'm just I can't work today. Well when are you going to be able to work again. I don't know I it so hard. Can't lift anything you know. These people were just not doing what they could. And the people who were willing to work and were able to work knew that these other folks were able able to work. They knew that they could work but they knew they were. They were be assing. Basically and they They started to put in less effort and as a result crops did not make get bright basically Over the course of two years they were beginning to see starvation. And the things. We're going to be bad. So they came up with a solution to the point where they couldn't blame it on unlike chance right like it wasn't it was about harvest now. It was a bad harvest because people were being lazy because they weren't incentivized to give it their best. Here's here's what Governor Bradford of the Plymouth Colony said. He said an so assigned to every family a parcel of land according to the proportion of their number and for that end the end of our growing food. This had a very good success for made all hands very industrious. so much more corn was planted than otherwise would have been by any means the governor or any other could use and saved him a great deal of trouble and gave far better content. The women now went willingly into the field and took their little ones with them to set corn which before would allege weakness the women wouldn't budge weakness and inability whom to have and to have compelled them would have been thought a great tyranny and oppression. Right the Plymouth Colony Johny experienced a great bounty of food private ownership bent that there was now a close link between work and reward. Industry became the order of the day. The men and women of each family went to the fields on their separate private farms when the harvest time came not only did many families produce enough for their own needs is but they had surpluses that they could freely exchange with their neighbors for mutual benefit and improvement in governor brand. This is the first year right. They have surpluses starvation to surpluses in basically immediately. Yeah so I live in New England and one thing I wonder is wear. Did these people start planting. Where did they find these farms? Because a farm just doesn't spring out of nothing. You gotta a clear trees and I you know I mean they must have found some areas where you could be worth trees. I don't know I'm no historian on this but I can tell you. I had a little farm and every piece of ground that I had on that little farm I had dumps had pulled stumps we had had we had to cut down trees. We use the trees for heat and in some cases for building things I mean I can only imagine they were doing some similar stuff stuff. But this isn't the kind of thing that you can just walk on board with. You've got to have some land cleared so I'm kind of curious about that apart. Well maybe there was some clear I mean not not everywhere is a forest. Maybe there was some naturally clear land. I know that when I've been down by the sea coast in New Hampshire. I've seen some pretty pretty clear land down there and I don't know if it's because you know somebody wiped forest out or because there was some some grassy areas there. I don't have any answers for you as to how that would be the case but What on my hikes? I haven't found any naturally clear areas and the Plymouth colony experienced the great bounty. We also live on the coast up. Sorry Governor Bradford said and by the time the harvest had come instead of famine. Now God gave them plenty in. The face of things was changed fairly early. God hates commies. God hates commies to the rejoicing of the hearts of many for which they blessed God and the effect of their planting was well seen for all all had one way or another pretty well To bring the year about and some of the able sort and more industrious had despair and and sell to others so as any general want or famine has not been amongst them Since to this day so basically giving up the land and giving giving everybody that little piece work worked and I think largely that's why the United States has seen the you know that it's domination over over the other nations of the world is because you know Europe the people just could never get the land of the hands of the the rulers and when they finally finally did you know they were. The they were the progeny of serfs. That were unwilling to pick up and move to the new land so the people the new World Canada United United States. These are the more industrious sorts. At least the progeny of the more industrious sorts. So some places. Still haven't figured this out in you know twenty nineteen in here. We're starting to see we talked about. Recently you went there for vacation and some of the economic reforms. They've put into place in Cuba finally allowing people to make decisions like what crops to plant allowing people to have some semblance of private property rights. I mean some people are still just barely getting into this right. What we see going on Cuba right now is a you? Call it. A free market resurgence. I wish the United States would see this kind of free market. The I wouldn't call the free market mechanisms coming into play. That weren't alive. I wouldn't call socialized medicine socialism. Either because it's not state ownership of the means production however we can see steps in one direction or the other the United States is going Comey and Cuba is going free market. If you want to be simplistic and the way you described these things hard experience had taught the Plymouth colonists that the fallacy air in the ideas and that since the time of the ancient ancient Greeks had promised paradise through collectivism rather than individualism of as Governor Bradford Express it the experience that was had in this common course in condition tried sundry years and that amongst the godly and Silverman many well And you know what I bet you. The losers were really upset with the idea of having to go to work. You know I don't know whence they saw that. They could benefit from their own labor. Maybe maybe it changed how it tends to change people very quickly. Is this like there's still people who today they don't WanNa work. It's true I that that much is true but starvation will often convince people that this is the right idea and nobody's starving in the United States today. Now the problem I I mean unless you are a kid La Authors Day or is it Tuesday. 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