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The AP Draft Show - Day Two Recap

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The AP Draft Show - Day Two Recap

"Very Mary draft is to you. Thank you for joining us today kits Swanson I'm lead Vilma draft analyst for aero head pride in. We are the AP draft show. Three fourths of the group is in the room right now. I'm joined by Jake stack him on Twitter at Jacob Morley. And at barley hop, Craig Stoute's, Craig welcome to my basements. It's weird down here. I'm not gonna lie. It's for real weird. I'm a little afraid that I won't get out. If you don't hear me after this. And this gets put out I'm hiding kids basement right now just don't go over to the Patrick Mahomes, shrine just stay away that that's what you're calling the Patrick Mahomes. Stay away. I'm going to take a picture. It's it's it's not good Jake. They keep for putting your pants back on after the Jay stern. Stern's burger selection that forced you to to unpack yourself. He's my guy. I was excited. It's not every year. Your guy gets picked by your team, something we're gonna talk about here unless you were really like a really big Nicole hardman fan much. Anyone took their pants offer that they took their pants anger. But no, I never take your pants off in England. Let's talk about that. You do that you Mike falls out? Did you job the Mike? Yes. We don't hate equal. Hartman, actually, I'm pretty sure. Matty does. Yeah. But nominee to talk to him about that here in a little bit. We're going to have Mattie on shortly dual segment get his takes. The chiefs started the draft trading pick sixty one in one sixty seven up for wide receiver Michael Hartmann the first pick in the chiefs draft. I I don't know if I love the pick. That's probably my least favorite pick that they made good news things got a lot better after that. But the cheese took a vertical threats that certainly seems to indicate something that I hope happens in the chiefs released tyreek hill, hopefully before this podcast is over frankly, Jake, I know, you did the primary valuation on Meco Hartman, what did you think of him? So when I did him going into watching his tape. There are some buzz about him about people talking about him actually going in this range and the top one hundred. And so I was excited to watch him and kind of like the other Georgia offensive skill position players. It was his tape is a little bit underwhelming for various reasons. He's not a very refine. Route runner yet. He does not catch the ball that. Well in traffic, his catch radius is pretty small but things that he does. Well, like he's just got that natural ability in the open field. He's fast on he can do a lot with the ball in his hands. He's a guy that I think can take the top off of defense when he when he develops into that role a little bit more do I love the value of where he was taken. No, I don't. But I think you know, he has some skills like we're talking about he has some skills that he can hang his hat on. And he's a guy that I think can develop eventually now, I don't know if he's gonna be someone's gonna come in and be able to contribute right away. And that's kind of a high pick for Seaver that you are kinda hoping in banking on his development. So I don't know the jury's out on that one. I'm not wild about it right out of the gates. But I can definitely see a path of him being successful in the NFL those. Well, I mean, this is about as close to a direct replacement for Tyree kills they were gonna get. It in this draft. He's got legit speed. Jake was saying earlier today that he was upset at how slow his four three three forty was. I guess he's been laser timed at four to four. What is blazing fast tyreek hill fast at tyreek hill fast? This is a guy that you wanna put with the ball in his hands and open field. He is a kick returner. He's upon returner Brett vita said in his press conference just a little bit ago that Dave tobe told him that's the closest guy that he's seen to Devin Hester since Hester while that's high praise for a kick returner. Now, again, take it a kick returner that hi there. There's a debate to be had there. They're obviously gonna try and fabricate some touches get him into space get him with the ball on his hands and let him use that speed, but he will have an impact on special teams immediately in year one. So I think one thing to kind of take into consideration rightly ROY. Wrongly about how teams approach day to day. Three of the draft is some teams go and identify specific traits that they value that they need that they feel like they need if you're going on if I think of her Dana, Jeremiah kind of like a grocery shopping list, you need certain ingredients, you need certain elements to to your offense or defense that you're trying to acquire the chiefs found something that they wanted that they needed that. They felt they needed. You can take it all for what it's worth they felt they needed a vertical threat speed. They needed speed think we know why they found a guy that can that can hang his hat and make a career with one really quality trait and go read the Casey draft guide on equal Harbin because when you read the right up on you know, what he how he potentially fits with the cheese. You're gonna read that go this pig makes a lot of sense, and that was written a month and a half ago and going back in. In reading it. Again, you comparison to guys like DAT to you know, to tyreek hill to those smaller quicker guys that injuried seems to love, and you're gonna go ahead and read that article and go will of course, of course, he's the pick expecially with everything that's been going on. Yeah. So we kind of had miekel Hartman valued at like a round four kind of range like we had them the top twenty five Casey draft guide who's actually lowest guy taken here that being said just because I see this a lot. We just wanna put that out there because the chiefs traded up that needs somebody was going to try and take him. Yes. This isn't a situation where Brit VH just out of the blue decided, oh, I think this is the right spot to go and trade foreign Reid who often for that. Where you say. Well, this guy would have been available in the fourth round. He wouldn't we put a value like that on him? But somebody was going up for him. Somebody was gonna take him there in that same range. The chiefs traded up for him. There was one. There was one can of. Of green beans left on the cart. Yeah. And the chiefs maybe trip to the eagles. I think we saw something on Twitter is probably the eagles. They trip the eagles on the way down the aisle affordably loved him to also they go. I mean, so that's kind of what happens. You know? These are these are why teams trade they don't trade up just to trade up. So let's move on to one of the best. If not the best pick of the chiefs draft, so far a guy that frankly, the cheese took him at twenty nine and they they had picked twenty nine. They took one Thornhill. I'd been fine. I've been just fine. But instead they got him with the sixty third pick in the draft. And he's a guy. I think we were all big fans of another senior bowl participants that we have our eyes on got to watch extensively when we were going through our tape evaluations of him. There got to watch them obviously on tape through all of our process and use a guy think we're all really excited about the number four. Eighty seven player on the Casey draft guide board makes a ton of sense for the chiefs with his cornerback background his athleticism his versatility, Craig. What are the chiefs getting in one or hill? They are getting a free safety that can kick down in cover in man coverage. We know the chiefs wants safeties that could cover in man, they want guys that are going to be able to lineup. It's bag Knowle's match coverages and be able to carry guys all over the field matchup with any receiver that could be slotted against him. I mean want Thornhill was playing corner two years ago. Yeah. So he's a guy that has that ability. He put on some extra weight. He's a free safety features sees him as a sinner field type free safety. That means that he's going to line up behind Honey badger. They're gonna keep Honey badger in the box. You know, they tried to trade for Earl Thomas. This is the guy that they went out and got instead, it just makes too much sense. Yeah. I'm kinda like don't love one Thornhill. And I know you guys are really high not that same not high on him. He was kind of the last of that sate safety class. I think that's the clean prospect. You know, the Cianci garner. Johnson stuff has come out that he is he's really fallen on some people's boards. But it will kinda what what Craig was saying. He's a coverage player, you know. I don't know where they're gonna play. It sounds like each wants to play him in that single high kinda cover one type role. But I think he's a guy that you can like Craig said you can put him in the slot. You can put him outside wide. I mean, really think Byron Jones is the type of prospect that he is you know, obviously Byron Jones when higher than want Thornhill by about around. But he is that type of guy that he might play safety euro one and kicked a corner year to it's, you know, in when they first took him that was the initial thought was they really need a corner here. I bet they're just gonna play won- Thornhill at corner. But it looks like they're not gonna do that. They are going to play him strictly in that safety. Role. So that'll be interesting to see how that all plays out. And you know that that could change in three weeks. If if you know, whatever doesn't happen that there may be hoping does one want Thornhill is going to be starting week one in Kansas City absolute or against the Jaguars. I fully believe that I know Brett V-twin around, and, you know, talked about here's what I think's funny. Brit featured pre-draft conference. Yeah. I don't like the safety class terrible. Frankly, I don't think the safety classes look at all the safeties on our roster. I mean, we love all these guys we love all these safeties. Johnny watts each talking up Armani. Watts Jordan Lucas like dancer Winston and an Sorenson dance orange. It may not be around much longer half a million dollars. You can save right there. Right. One thornhill. We'll be starting in center field. He makes the most sense as a center fielder. I could see, you know, Armani. Watts I know people love Armani watts here. He's a backup safety now. And the cheese typically prefer to use to safeties westies species, typically two safeties Armani. Watts's maybe badger insurance may be guy's gonna play closer to the line of scrimmage, potentially think that's probably his best chance of having Lucas can do both of those things as well. Yeah. I think Lucas would be more would probably be your backup free. Right armani's. Probably if he's gonna play probably, plus we wanna scream value to the squad's Armani Watsa has plenty of value. I absolutely I just don't know that you're going to see either one of those guys in a starting role in at all unless there's an injury in this upcoming year, and that's quality death. Yeah. That's quality debt. But one four nil is going to start in Kim against the Jaguars in week one. I fully believe that. Okay. So a move that really surprises guy. We haven't really talked. I don't think at all about on the on the draft show at all. Maybe we talked. I bet you we talked about him at the senior bowl read has this is another senior bowl participant. I'm sure we did actually he's fun. And he's kind of a guy that we probably didn't anticipate them being able to select or a guy that we thought made a ton of sense in the draft ranges that us probably. Go. It's Saunders the interior defensive linemen from western Illinois, one of the funnest stories one of the funnest players one of the viral players of the two thousand nineteen draft class capable of doing backflips, even though he's three hundred twenty four pounds, Jake. What did you think of Ceylan Sander seeing him at the senior bowl? Or are. We definitely talked about him. Amongst us are talking to Craig even as a show on his his cut up of him at the senior bowl. And I looked at said I remember that exact play sitting in the Xhosa film room or over at whatever that film rose excess excess film nice got it. And and there's a play where you know. They're trying to Huston. They're trying to get cut down at the knees. And he he does such a good job staying on his feet always. And that's what initially stuck out. I think all of us was just one play where he just basically puts his hand in the ground like a running back kicks his leg out and gets back up and continues rushing the passer, and that's impressive. The guy do that. And then. On top of that. He does the backflips and those kind of gimmicky things typically are like they don't really matter on on the field. Like what's his face that Gilbert, dude that jumped out of a pool of years ago people like all this you can jump out of a pool it doesn't necessarily make good football player killing Saunders can do that stuff. And he also is a good football player. He's by far and away my favorite pick. They've made so far in Kansas City. He played. So I if you don't know him a big North Dakota state fan FCS level where he played they play in the same division. And he absolutely wrecked. What North Dakota state was trying to do last three years, which if you're familiar with that level of football, not a lot of teams could do that North Dakota state is a powerhouse at that level. They kinda would just have their way with most teams Kaelin Saunders. Singlehandedly would just completely wreck games against North Dakota state. So he's a guy that you're hoping he can make that transition to the NFL he showed that he more than likely has the potential to do that at the senior Boca's he more than held his own against those guys. So I think he answered a lot of questions at the senior bowl. But he's just a guy for me that I think he is probably my favorite pick for the chiefs. So far, Craig I know you were talking you'll people have questions about whether or not he fits into what they wanna do what his specific role is gonna be moving forward. Listen, you're going to hear a lot of people comp him to Derrick Nadi because of his size these. Yeah, don't he's not. He's not doing bad foot. Knotty. He loved her. This isn't a slightest dirt. It's just the reality different players. I think I think okay time out I think the relative athletics, or if you guys don't know what the relative athletic score equals. Or what we what we mean? We say that there's a there's a really cool testing measurement made by a guy named at math bomb on Twitter, and it kinda Platt it it basically takes athletic testing contextualising over the course of of history. And so a good relative athletic scores like a seven or eight eight and a half. I believe Kaelin Saunders. I think I had it real quick. Let me look I had a high relative athletic score. He actually fringe fringe elite Rb he had a seven point six at relative athletics. Or the only thing that was really hurting him was his broad jump in his height really quality ten yard split. Really call it quality four forty yard dash quality three cone. If you add. Calin saunders. Seven point six in Derek noughties, relative athletic score. It's still be under eight probably dare guys, a bad athlete. Great football player at flawlessly one and a half down football player. And a lot of the reason that people are going to try and compare them is because they're kinda short. Squatty dudes Saunders is not a long player any means. And that hurts him a little bit that does show up on a little bit his conditioning that shows up on tape a little bit too. But as Jake said, we watched him go to the senior bowl he lined up against Garrett bradberry. He lined up against Michael those two guys have been drafted already in this. And he beat him. You beat them like drums on some plays. I and the what Jake was talking about where he's fallen down. He puts his hand in the dirt. But he doesn't lose doesn't go to his knees. Anything like that? And he continues the pass rush rep. He was a two hundred eighty five pound running back in high school that contact. Balance shows up when he's rushing the power passer. He has elite feet he is so light on his feet. He can rush the passer get into gaps explosive. He's going to be a great rotational three tech and to speak to athleticism even more in granted. Again, this was at the F CS level. But they knew what they had in Kaelin Saunders. And they would put him all over the place you'd him up on the edge. Exactly what I'm getting at is the they would rush in from the edge standing up just crazy to see we hunted twenty plus pounds. He's silly. He's a silly name. So when you look at Kaelin Saunders, I think from the from the stunt game from the twist game they can utilize him and he will have a ton of success with his fluidity with his great feet with his balance too. Because those things will all matter when they're trying to exit execute stunts. So this guy makes a ton of sense from all that from that element. And I think that's one of the things I'm most excited about. Yeah. And crystal remember Christiane? Plays about sixty five percent of the snaps. Yeah. He's not a guy that one hundred percents nap guy on defense. Those those thirty five percent of the snaps. Need to go to somebody. And he can line up next to Chris Jones on obvious passing obvious passing downs and get after the quarterback, and he can rotate in with Chris Jones for those thirty five percent of the snaps. He is going to be a functional player. He's not a quote unquote replacement for anybody. That's on the roster right now. Derek naughty, still your nose tackle, right? But this guy is going to be able to come in and offer interior pass rush that all of a sudden got to be a really mean pass rushing line in the past week. I say I've seen people talk about you need to start looking at you starting defense in terms of who is going to be on the field in third and seven plus that's really you're starting defense because that's the money down. That's when you're trying to get off the field and Kaelin Saunders. I think can be that guy till gene. Yeah. Lineup next to to Chris Jones and be. Guy that if all he can do early on his career is is provide some into your pass rush. Then he's a starter. Even if he's only playing twenty percent of the snaps on those third-down snaps, and you gotta take into consideration to Derrick Nadi is the only defensive lineman under contracting twenty twenty Chris Jones, we expect to get done but your tier defensive lineman. It's dared Nadi you need guys you need them. And this guy I really do think St. Spag Nola is going to have a great plan for him. And he's going to make an impact immediately. And Brett feature said he was in the conversation at sixty three when they took want Thornhill they went with Thornhill and when it circle back around to their pick. They just they they ran to the board. We know remember how quick that pick was turned in. It was oh the chiefs around the clock in the pick is it. That's so comedian Louis, so yeah. And I can't sit you're gonna love this kid. He's he's he's Christians like off. He's going to joke around. He's gonna be a quote machine, you're gonna love him, and you know. He he had a child during during the senior bowl the senior bowl. And I don't believe he missed anything. We we talked about that on this podcast. I was something that we talked about was he he left after practice went and got to be there with his wife girlfriend. Whoever was got to witness the birth of his first child and then flew back and was was there for the next morning practices. And I know that really struck a chord with a lot of the coaches because that was something that they really gave him a ton of credit for was realizing that this is the big job interview of your life, and he's taking it. So seriously too to the point where he was willing to basically probably not have any sleep like seventy two hours kids still felt it very important to be there for the birth of his dot. I mean, also priorities there. That's he's gonna be a great guy. Great high high character guy locker rooms gonna love him. We need that kind of news today. Yeah. We really did. This locker room needed Kaelin Saunders. Yeah. We're going to talk to Matty. And then we will be back to close this thing out after that everybody. I'm Neil Patel editor and chief of the verge and this is the verge cast. I is the flagship podcast the verge every week. We cover the latest Intech news and reviews we took a critical look at what is going on now. And next in the world of tech show hosted by me, our executive editor bone, not your friend and Paul Miller. It just feels like there's something wrong with all computers, though. 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When I have seen every episode subscribe to divert chace wherever podcasts served. We'll see them. You can find him on Twitter at chief in Carolina come into us. It's about midnight where you're at Mattie Maddalena what's going on. But you know, we're getting them tonight in we're doing good just kinda day to the NFL draft. And it was it was an interesting one chiefs. We've got some action finely. So that was fun. That was fun. I I know you have some strong picks or strong opinions about the chiefs. I pick miekel heart minute fifty six. I very close. I think all of our listeners, especially our regular listeners know how you felt about the Bruins Brealey speeds pick last year. I'm not quite there. But I'm pretty close to that as far as Harvard pick. I just don't get it. I know at first I wasn't a big fan of the pick was first announced that was mostly just based on the talent that was still all over the board. But I've gone back. I've tried to reset in watch up to five games. Now. I don't get it. I don't see it. I just I one hundred percent understand taking him in the second round that led alone. Trading up for him. I understand how he's gonna fit with the chiefs the fit makes perfect sense. I just don't understand the value of that fit in the second round win. There was so much more available. It sounded like the the chiefs jumped the eagles for this particular guy, which I found interesting. I don't disagree with you. I didn't love the value at one. You know, at fifty-six, I thought he was you know, not a day three kind of guy maybe early day three. So seat him go. This quick was pretty surprising. What so is there? Anything about him that excites. You at all. He's very fast. Like, yeah. He world's a track track level speed. You can see it when he catches a screen pass. Or would he gets a free release in runs nine rap or a great kick returner? He is what a gadget player is to ever. Do. You think that gadget player that is what McCall hardwood looks like to me on film that he's wrong. He's only been playing receiver for a couple years. He started out his defense of backwards at the Georgia. They moved around. So there's a big potential for developmental curve that he can undergo. But you will. You're just watching him. And I'm not sure on seeing what really excites body from the hands to the foot word to any nuance to the game. I just I don't see what you're excited by. It's not an athletic trait. Okay. Let's go ahead and talk about more. Fun players. Yeah. There's two guys that participated in the senior bowl that we were fans of we had one Thornhill the safety from Virginia's a top fifty player in the Casey draft guide. What what did you think about that at sixty three and really enjoyed the hell pick. I think that kinda helped salvage night a little bit. That's the one big thing that separates it from last year. Is we didn't have just trade up for a player that we weren't particularly high on. But you get a follow up immediately with player that you are higher than where he went so on Thornhill versatile safety, great, cover steals her safety like van coverage spills because he played corner Virginia before all production all over the place. He's gonna thick great with tire, Matthew. He's kind of similar bowl that he can play everywhere. Like, matthew. He's probably better in my opinion is deep safety. And I'm not one hundred percent. Sure. The chiefs dope buyer Jones him at give him a chance to play corner. At some point in time on the outside is why not if he fails? He just goes back to. Safety. Yeah. Why not? I mean in you, get good value. If that's the case of I think, I thought it was a great pick as well. Obviously not keen Kaelin saw even go there right now. This is a Freudian slip. It was like it was like a slip. I knew talking to you. I had to like accidentally say keep Butler's name. But I didn't I came close. But then I said, I'm sorry I wounds still fresh. Okay, kaelin. Sounders eighty four off the board eighty fourth in the Casey draft guide. Another guy we got to see at the senior bowl and probably one of the most one prospects. We watched it the senior bowl. In. This is an interesting draft because interior defense at one class was great like there's players all over the first round that just have all the super high upside. But then once you got to the second round, I know some people were big Draymond Jones fans. I wasn't huge on him our guy trista hill. But once you got past those two guys there wasn't really a pass rushing interior defense of one besides Saunders. Like, he was the next guy in less. You're moving edge player like Zack Allen or Charles menu inside. So you sit there pick eighty four you see Saunders come up like the additional off. This is great. This is a perfect pick for the chiefs. 'cause we think that there needs to be some more into your pass rush for the chiefs Christiane displaying seventy percent of the snaps at most. He needs a little break Saunders can fill imperfectly there early on if he doesn't develop into more than that. And he just he destroyed the senior bowl he has one of the top notch Motors. It's just something you have to say. Was there anything that surprised you in the second first second or third round anybody that's still on the board? You kinda surprised by like that? So it's dumbfounded me the decay Metcalf last as long as he did like I could get while Calvin Harmon or key Butler going on day three disagree with it. And I thank the NFL's making a mistake. But I understand the concept that the NFL is a little weary over big body wide receivers that wanted to catch point rather than trading great separation, but TK Metcalf is that he's not as a super unethically player. He's got an athletic profile that teams should covet given his floor is pretty much a great deep threat and huge size. So seeing him drop that was pretty wild. And then I think just just the way the offense tackles went off the board. I think it was a little weird getting somebody to come up for Caleb mcgarry in the first round yesterday. And it just some of the way they went through this entire thing. Greg little coming off the board to get a Sioux Falls pick coming out some weed off. It's tackle. Shakes. But that happens every year is just you try to prepare for them when you're watching offense and tackles that was some of them still caught me off guard. That's many laying find on Twitter at chief in Carolina. We'll talk to you after the day. Three men. Sounds like a plan guys. It's time to close out our day to recap of the NFL draft. Chiefs have taken three players. They used pick one sixty seven to go move up from EKO hardman. So the chiefs don't pick until the two hundreds Craig I think you said Brett Vichai says don't even worry about watching the fourth round be sleeping goes. Brit. Vetoed sleep in. You don't need to wash the round for draft. There. You can you can maybe just scan the names afterwards with your in comparison with your handy dandy Casey draft guide, which by the way goes all three picks taking hyphen. It's according to the Kansas City draft guide. Okay. That's awesome. Yes. I didn't know that. Yes. Even cooler to me. Caled saunters goes eighty fourth used the eighty fourth ranked player in the Casey draft guide high fits though, high fits I feel so good now. That's great that really made everything worth it. Honestly, because I mean, honestly, the draft guide and all this stuff is very terrifying. You put all of your takes out there for everyone to see early too mu- a month ago before character more character stuff hits the fan. So, you know, some of these things like some character. And some injury stuff comes up wide receivers needed desperately all the sudden. Yeah. I mean, it's it's crazy. That's cool. So well, how many I was gonna say we had one guy in the top one hundred that we didn't have in the guide and that was what's his face Pipkins from Sioux Falls. We also had the guy that no one NFL work. Yeah. No saying I was like, oh and kind of bad about that. But then the Jaguars took a guy that even the NFL network. Didn't who they were like we got nothing on this. If you've never watched. NFL network coverage. They do this thing on day three break up the monotony called. What's it called stump the truck where one of the guys on the set gives them a player, and you know, the the NFL network has like a thousand write ups in videos in all kinds of graphics and stuff for all these guys the NFL network did not have it for one of the top one hundred peaks Daniel, Jeremiah just came out and say, well, I watch over four hundred pointers throughout this process. I didn't watch this guy was a linebacker. I was just sitting there stern at the screen gone guys. I didn't watch this guy. I'm he wasn't even on my radar. So Daniel Jeremiah said that I went home. That's just it feels it makes you feel good. Was there any surprises for you guys today? I I know here's one thing. I know Sean Gardner Johnson has reportedly got some issues that is keeping him from being selected because his talent is way. Beyond day three, which is kind of fascinating. Couple of thoughts. Here. I've heard one thing is. When a new coaching staff comes in. They don't often talk highly of players that they didn't bring into their program. Dan Mullen is the first year coach, I wonder that might have contributed some of that if he's just slandering some of the Florida kids on the way out because they team this happens a lot with coaching changes. I wonder if that's part of it. We've heard it. He rub people the wrong way. I'm pretty surprised. Transi garner. Johnson is not off the board. Right now. I'm shocked. That Jakob polite win on board ready. I mean, he was a guy that taint this process about his as as badly as you can hear and yet somehow he went off the board before Cianci Gardner Johnson before a key Butler fell out. I know there were some rumors that he might. But I think that is a little bit of a shock to some people. J J K takim, Butler pretentious, but. Yeah. I think polite mine I really didn't think that he go as high as he did. And what do we say when he got drafted have fun in New York? I'm sure the media. There's really going. They won't they won't press you at all. But can you imagine the draft processes just crazy? Can you imagine back? It's January fifteenth, and I say, hey, Craig, Quin Williams, and Jakob polite or both the jets you would say holy cow. What else did they have to give up to get high backup in a second round? Right. Yeah. How did they do that? And it's how did you make it happen? Maybe this master plan the whole time. I don't know I to to lose a lot of money. What a great idea. Now, he doesn't have to worry about that fifty deal. So he's gonna get her fifth year on his contract. He's gonna get paid a lot that second contracts room. Hey, smart of I don't know. It was anything surprising for you today. Amani or reward is on the board still that was one that I think we're all higher than day three on a lot of people are higher on in him than day through. I don't know if he's got bodies buried somewhere or pictures or something I don't know, but he can cover. He's he's a good coverage corner. And so that's surprising that he's on the board. So I almost wonder if there's something there for him. But those were the three, you know, the big ones that I think, you know, group think in in media talk in pretty much general consensus would say are still available Chauncey garner Johnston, which we know him about him a little bit Akeem Butler. We don't really know anything about his character. We do know that he can't catch the football run route. So that. Rio pay still a Magno like he's he's still good. I don't know if he's got character stuff too. Behind Kelvin harming is surprising. But you also ran the four six and kind of kiss adapt with I still really like. Yeah. I would I be thrilled. At this point in time. I think he's going to surprise people when he gets to camp. And he goes guys every year that they lose the combine they run that time they work out poorly. But then they get to a camp. And you just remember us, right? This is football. This is not all about just running shorts. But I'll tell you this because I forgotten about this until right now, all three of my SAM's are off the board. These guys that I was trying to target maybe in round five Gilani to round two. Yeah. Jilani device Sioni tacky tacky, the only talk, Utah key and Mody Barton. Both went off aboard guys. Those are the good SAMs. I mean, if you were hoping that the chiefs are going to add some Sam, death and some juice off the edge to be able to help those were them. It would appear that positions getting pushed out. Yes. Because there isn't a lot of other neck Wilson still available. Mak Wilson is still allow so that's that's the prising too. Thompson yet. That's I think I think what you're gonna find. Day three. There's typically some more stuff that will come out about some of these guys were digging. Now, people will dig say why Sakina villa? Why is? Yeah. Avail juries character. Maybe there's more. They're always more there. I mean, that's just the hours of the this happens every year. There's always like a handful of guys that you're just surprised is still off the boar or still on the board and some guys when they go on drafted that will tell you all you need to know. Absolutely. I mean, I taught to garner Johnson should have been gone early too early today. There's no doubt. If you watch it anybody if you washed tape, you know, that so there's something there. There's there's something there. Clearly, so the cheese don't have pick one six one sixty seven they don't pick until two oh one to one to fourteen to sixteen. So they're gonna get all their picks done in a in a three player in a very small windows three players and sixteen picks. And I bet you a couple of guys we really like we'll still be available on the board. Yeah. Probably. So I'm looking at corners. Now, I think we can all agree that the chiefs do need a cornerback. And I know some people maybe don't like some of these picks because they're. Were corners on the table. I don't know that they're done. You know, we've said multiple times that the way that the Frank Clark contract is structured makes us think that there might be another move coming. And if that other move is coming right now the biggest gaping hole is us a cornerback. Maybe a guy that they can add a veteran corner. I don't know who I don't even wanna try and hazard a guess at this point because there's just no more real assets that they can give up unless they're going to dip into next year's pool. But I think that they need to add a guy there, they still need bodies Corey Ballantyne. If he's still around late in the draft. I think he makes a lot of sense some linebacker depth. Maybe maybe, you know, we we like Ulysses we do at he he might be a guy that they can add later to so we'll see there, but it's going to it's going to get bonkers here. And it's going to be tough to find guys feel about like, the what what if I say they trade up. Fries. Ahah Johnson in the fit. And the fifth. I don't have a problem with Johnson in the see it being something like that. Because I Johnson can't tackle Katie. No. But we we would be able to use a gif all the time. Oh, guys. Gift could they give could be out in public. It's public. It hasn't caught on you book as you to watch him watch watching. It'll make sense. Why people probably look at it. Don't think much of it. But anyway, I'm kind of the mind, I don't I don't think that the draft last long for four rounds. And and to me, the reason I think as a, you know, just just so Justice mosquito who's a guy that we all kind of respect has, you know, he runs the numbers and all this stuff. And basically after the fourth round your chance of hitting on a contributor throat, their rookie contract is just so low that you know, it's it's your these are lottery picks. They really are. So guys Ahah Johnson at that point swing away. You know, if if that's what you think he's a big song on. Yeah. So why not because your chances of him actually, contributing are not good. So the fact that they don't have any pigs left. They don't really have any. Bullets left in the holster to to really go out in in kind of a dress the cornerback position, right? That's that's a little bit alarming. I mean, not I wouldn't say raise the alarms yet. But it's it's a little bit uncomfortable to to to look at their quarterback room right now and say, okay, they haven't really addressed this yet what what's their plan moving for. They just going to get a bunch of four v six round dudes and hope that one of them hits or cuts. I mean, they are not going to be comfortable with this room right now. Because again, it's just various word Entra monce myth, which tramonte Smith got drafted over a little bit. Yeah. If miekel hartman's gonna return kicks where is Dramont Smith's real value here, if he's just gonna you know, he's kind of a nickel corner. May you know, maybe maybe maybe he's got a lot of proving to do his roster. Spot was largely as a kick returner. They drafted over the top of him with yardman. So. I don't know how much of a lock he is certainly they'll keep him around his death. They're gonna least keep him through camp to make sure you know, as a body. But I think that they've got to add another piece because char various ward in that situation would be the only cornerback on the entire chiefs roster. They just twenty twenty eight twenty twenty they just need more bodies that. They don't have right now. So something has to be Bruin here. I think we have to start thinking about the possibility that they are kicking the can down the road till next year or wearing until a release or they're gonna get bodies. But but to get a contributor. I mean, the as the saying goes, you can't have pro bowlers at every single. No. And so could the chiefs be looking at it in a perspective of this way of saying were gonna try to fix his defenses much as we can in one year, and what we're going to target in what they have target is the defensive line position. They've already. A bunch of assets in the linebacker position. So now, let's hope that these these pass rushers that we've gotten are going to be able to lighten the load a little bit for some of these corners that we have on the roster. If that's what it comes to. I mean, Steve Spagnolo supposedly and breath each supposedly warm out wore the cornerback class out like did more digging into the quarterback class than any other position. According to Brett VH and using. Yeah. I look at it. They dug and went yet. No, sometimes you dig for treasury. You don't find anything, right? Time you Madrid? Any time. I've dug for treasurer I've not found any treasury. Twice. Today was one of those when you were feeling the stern earlier today, I had plied acted accordingly. I felt that stern and is. Took your pants off. We have it on video. Do are. You do believe. That's first time. Is that I saying that we have it on video. I don't think we put that on Twitter. We haven't maybe I might take it all the way up to you about to Deepak posted on Twitter. 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'Valentine's Views' podcast: Where's the value at WR, TE? Draft analyst Matt Waldman tells us

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'Valentine's Views' podcast: Where's the value at WR, TE? Draft analyst Matt Waldman tells us

"Welcome to another edition of the Valentine's views podcast giants fans a week ago. We had Matt Waldman of the rookie scouting portfolio on with us. And we spent an hour or so talking quarterbacks, but that is not all that does met discusses Matt is knowledgeable about all of the various skill positions. So today we have met joining us once again what we're going to do is go through the the receiver positions as they relate to the giants Mets on the line right now. How you doing today? Matt thanks for joining us again. Thanks for having me back at a good time. Talk about quarterbacks in this should be just as fun. Well, yeah. You know, I got to give you a hard time though. Because since the last time, we talked I saw that you did Patty train us podcast. I saw that. You did big blue kickoff live with John smell. You know, come on, man. I'm telling you. I'm a I'm a mercenary. What can I tell you? How it just it? Just just tells you that you're a popular guy that people value your opinion, you know, as we do here. So that's good stuff. And I'm just I'm glad that people want me back, but you know, Patty, and I used to do art used to show together back in the day. And I always I always give her a hard time about steel in my guests. Well, she certainly she does fine work as well. You know, and and it was kind of funny because when I when I heard you talking about that earlier that she she she contacted million than I got the contact from feebles Schnell that was pretty funny too. So I thought it's going to make our time coming back on this show. But whatever it's worth, of course, I am. You know? Hey, it's it's all it's all in fun. And you know, it's all people love talking about the giants. And so let's let's do some of that, Matt. And let's start with this. The the news that broke yesterday was the giants signing sterling shepherd to a pretty long. I think four year extension supposed to be in the neighborhood of forty one million dollars. Just you know, from your perspective a quick thought on on the kind of player sterling shepherd is in the the extension that he got from the giants. I think it shows that they're looking for someone that they want to build his receiving core around, and they feel at ease the type of worker the type of route runner the consistency factor in his game is good enough that you wanna lock him up for a while. I get that. He's a he's a player that you know, reminds me a little bit of a former giant that I really loved in this in when he came out in the draft. And that was during the time of the Matt line area, which was Steve Smith. I was a big fan of the giants. Steve Smith before he got hurt because he could do a little bit everything he can stretch the field for you with tremendous quickness a clutch player. He was a terrific route runner he could play a little bit in a little bit outside as well as inside. And I think that shepherd is a player that I think they hope can develop where he has that kind of Steve Smith upside. And I think that he's already even if he doesn't reach that point. He's already reliable guy that you can lock in. Place. No that you're gonna get someone who can make the correct route adjustments be there for quarterback create a good target for his man and be able to help them move. The changes wells occasionally makes a big place. It's funny. You mentioned Steve Smith, I always liked Smith. But toward the maybe it was after he started to to suffer some injuries. I always think of him as catching fall down Steve Smith. Yeah. Guy that catch get make the catch and get down. No yards after catch nothing. Yeah. And that was that was it after the injuries at pretty much didn't form. And I think before that you had he was a guy who made Matt liner. Look a lot better than maybe liner was. So it was a is just one of those things. Sometimes it's a shame, but grew life spans are short in the NFL injuries that you'd factor for that. What is your take? Obviously the giants signed golden Tate in. I think we've talked about this a little bit. What is your take on the concern that some people have that that take in shepherd our guys that that have similar skill sets? And that it might be hard for them to play together. I think that I think it's there's some validity to that. If the offense doesn't show the magic nation should, but there are some differences here that are noth- to to kind of give them separate roles for take take can be more of a flanker in the sense where he's tough. After the cash he's a physical player. He's I think he's a little better than shepherd winning the ball at the catch point. And he has the speed to get deep, and we saw that with him in Seattle when he had the connection he had with Russell Wilson, you know, in Detroit, the the more recent exposures people had a think of as a slot receiver. And they forget about the fact that he wasn't outside presence who could win the ball in the air could get deep. An additional fact that he runs like a, you know, like a Scott back with a little power after the catch. So this is a physical player, and you get you know, shepherds kind of craftsman you get a real physical presence who can block who can you know, who can also be a presence after the catch in a way that construct the fuel horizontally for the for the giants because of the presence of saquon Barkley can split them out opposite sides, and you get the players. Defensive backs linebackers out to be equally concerned about when they have the ball in space, the other thing, I guess that. I think about is the fact that you have you know, offenses aren't static. These guys don't line up in the same spot, you know, every single time. I mean, unless you're running the Mike McCarthy, you know, offense ninety five ninety five percent of the time in eleven personnel. Which giants fans are familiar with? Thanks to Ben mcadoo guys move around. So I think there's there's that benefit to these guys aren't always going to be in the same place the same alignments, absolutely 'cause they're looking for matchup advantages, and you're gonna see certain things where baby teams will look at Sheppard and gold tape and you'll see vendors kind of look at the mess. The same kind of role in certain situation and realize that that kind of got numb outfox there and put into in the situation where take might have a little bit more of an advantage with certain types of routes or certain type of look, and that can lead to some stakes in terms of opportunities to create pre snap a mismatch is or league defenders into a false sense of security that there may be they may be running the blocking on this play as opposed to going out for a route. So there's there's levels things you can do. And I do think they're different enough players that it's that people are just kind of looking at. What happened lately with Tate in Detroit as opposed to what he was in Seattle. It'll be interesting to see what happens once the giants. You know, get into lab and get all these guys on the field and see what they can create. But I think we know, you know, heading into the draft here in a couple of weeks that the giants I wouldn't consider them to have a complete receiving core by any stretch of the imagination. So I would suspect I mean at some point in this draft that they have to dip into the receiver pool. So let's do that right now. And what I really wanna do. We're kinda going to go through sort of where the giants pick and the players who might be value at at the different spots in the draft. And to be honest. I mean looking at Tate looking at shepherd looking at Korey Coleman who they brought back. I mean, the one thing that the giants don't. Have is that bigger bodied guy that outside guy on unless you wanna make Evanston grenade to that guy. So we're kinda I'm kinda going to ask you to as we think about it to lean toward talking about about those guys that are a little different type of player than what the giants have now. Yeah, that sounds great. And I think before we do that. Let's just think about that for second to like two little cabbie outside like mentioned before really delve into this one is that it is quite awful that they decide that they wanna make Ingram guy that plays more on the outside and be more receiver and then they draft the tight end. And there's plenty of great tight ends in this class. So where you can get a complete tight end a better blocker than Ingram who might be a better interior receiver than Ingram. And then he could putting your money outside Lyneham win with his size in his speed. Leaping ability in the other caveat is this is that if if you talk to anybody in the scouting community. Who's who's who's worked in that community? You learn pretty well that that there's more variation in greats for for receivers among teams or between teams than any position that they look at in the NFL allow that has to do with like you were alluding to the type of position that type of role that you're looking at whether it's a slot receiver split end your flanker. Or if you're looking at players who can be combination of two to three of those roles, and that can filter your pool in a way where you may want. He may have a second round grade on a player and three other teams may have sixth-round grade on that player. So as we go through this, you know, you wanna keep that in mind because most likely, you know, I'm gonna name some players, and we're gonna talk about them in a second third or fourth round and some of the mega much higher or much lower interesting. But you know, at least. It goes back to the fact that there is no such thing as a hard and fast rule of you know, who the best player available is because two different sets of eyes to different teams, you know, even different scouts within certain teams will always see players in a different way. And it depends largely on on what they feel like they need what they're scheme is in. What players they're teaming that those guys with right? So where I wanna start is at number six. Now, interestingly, we were we were kidding about Pat traina in locked on giants the other day and and full disclosure here. I actually did Patty show earlier this week myself. You see see there? It is. Well, you know, I used to co host over there. So once in a while, I dropped by you know, just so folks remember me, but it's funny because she asked me what I thought if there was one sort of outside the box move that nobody had really thought about that would kind of turn the giants draft on its head. She asked me, you know, what that move would be. And I need to start at number six. I keep hearing that the giants are doing an awful lot of work on TJ Hopkinson. And I think there's no wide receiver that I can think of that that would have value at six, but I can't necessarily see the giants doing this at six with all of their other needs. But I keep thinking, you know, if they wanted to turn the draft on their heads Hopkinson. Might be a guy to look at it six. Oh, I think it's definitely something that you have to look into because he is that good of a player. He can start right away for team because he is that a block he you can use him on the wing you can use in line against offensive ends Outside Linebackers. You can use as a fullback you can split them in the slot or outside, and he can do all he's got the size already to anchor in hold up. He's a good puncher younger stands out. Get come off the line with his back loan as pads low. He can turn very quickly turned defenders quickly. He's a good lead blocker. So you get someone who's already at better blocker based on what we saw last season than evidence grow. And you get a player who also can work the scene down field and win contested plays and run after the catch. So if you wanted to say, listen we ever receiving core. We're just gonna put Ingram. You know at split end or put him at flanker. We're gonna put the other guys where the where they need to be. And we can rotate Coleman we can use Latimer in certain leverage situations, if he continues to show up, and if that's the case, then you end up consolidate your position and part of that is that you could use Ingram as the second tight end. He doesn't have to be on the front side of blocking schemes. So he can end you can be the guy can sneak out of the backfield sneak out off the line and use him on that level or you could be more multiple in your look. So you have two tight ends split. One out pre snap motion them to the receiving parcel. You can take advantage of what the coverage shows you. And now you're looking at a rob gronkowski Aaron Hernandez type of situation in terms of how these players could be used in the way that the patriots did your to go and that I can see why they're studying. That because when you have multiple tight ends that creates a lot of issues the colts did a lot of great work with that last year where they even ran things like three verticals four verticals using three and four tight ends. And looking like they were going to you know, they're gonna run the football. Just you know, compressed the box play you know, short short yardage football. And the next thing, you know, three of those tight ends or running verticals off out of the formation. They're getting big place out of that. And you could send e how the giants decide listen we've got saquon Barkley we want to look like we're going to be a physical power to eat. But we also want to be multiple enough that we can spread the field in as soon as as soon as the defense decides they're gonna use personnel and take advantage of them for that. So I love the idea is very creative one. We'll see if they take it seriously enough to to go that route. I have my doubts just because of all of the they've spent so much time talking about how much they need to upgrade their defense. You know, how much they they really could use a right tackle. And of course, you know, the quarterback discussion, which I don't think they're going to go quarterback at six, but it it's an intriguing idea. I just I think I would be I would be shocked if they pulled the trigger on it at six agree. And I think if they went really that could probably go around or two later there some guys that can still do that with guys like Dawson knocks of ole miss is of very fine blocker who has that same versatility? And can also catch the ball up thanking. He's terrific athlete is just underrated because he wasn't used a lot as receiver at ole miss. But he could be bargain version that for Hopkinson there's a guy really love tight end by traverse. John West go from West Virginia who's a former quarterback. When he came up or high school quarterback. But he's he was literally praised as part of the offense of live for West Virginia last year in terms of how Weli block he's about two hundred seventy pounds. Unbelievably quick really fluid hips can run those type of whip routes that you see slot receivers run. He doesn't have great speed. But he's very good after the catch. And suddenly, you have a guy who played a lot of fullback h back and also in line work in Trevan west co- at that could accomplish the same thing, you could get him may be on day two or maybe even days we. Nice. We'll get more into the into the the the day three, you know, type players as we get along here. But let's go to seventeen where I think it might be more likely that the giants I still think they're going to lean toward quarterback or or adding to their defense here. But if they wanted to add to the receiving core, I think hocken sin, you know, the way I the way I understand it the wit from what I've been told. I don't think Hopkinson is going to be a choice at seventeen I think he's he's probably going to be off the board by then. But I think maybe we start to get into a couple of the bigger bodied wide receivers that might be available guys that you think might be available at seventeen who who would be value guys who could get picked in that range there a lot. Guys, because there's even talk that maybe teams are starting to figure out that maybe we should wait on receipt of us were absolutely sold at the guys like the next Calvin Johnson. Now, I think there are a number guys in this class who are good enough to be franchise caliber receivers. But it doesn't seem like there's a consensus about that. But as a result, if there are if these guys are on the board, I think Akeem Butler would be in a mazing pick for the giants. If he somehow slips that far, and he probably will e six five to twenty seven he runs those whip routes at six five to twenty seven watch him against Iowa last year. And you'll see him beat a cornerback on whip route working inside back to the outside. We has to drop his way flip his hips in succession and beat the man so badly that he had to be tackled. So that the so that he didn't catch the target. Beforehand in basically committed interference. You don't see receivers that big run that unless our name is Calvin Johnson. That's I mean, that's how good of a hot fluid is now. Yes. Emissions which Rops? And so people often say we don't wanna receive who drops the ball. But you have to understand that the way the NFL if you really studying receivers, well, you can text relies what those drops are. And there's three types of drops at our common with receivers. There's the focus drops, which are just basically the equivalent of say, you're teaching your your daughter how to drive and you get to the stop side. And and she's like listening to the radio or telling you, something interns. Doesn't seem go Adam stop sign and she has to stop real quickly. You know, maybe she ran through the stops on over. There is one of those things it's just more of attention to focus. He used the correct ethnic knows what to do. But he's he's to focus on maybe the next task or tasks that, you know. Looking at the defenders coming or trying to talk the ball. That's mostly a key butlers issue. You know, but people off and make it out to be a secret more serious issue. But those series issues are technique driven. You know, not using the hands in the correct of position based on the location of the targeted to me. That's more. Like, you know, if you're using the drive analogy, it's kind of where you you're gonna hit the gas pedal instead of the brake pedal because you you just got distracted as a beginner driver in that can be dangerous, obviously, but you can go back to the parking lot with with student driver in say here, we're going to go five miles an hour until you figure out how they hit the break in the gas. You know at the right moment and not get distracted there. And the most dangerous one is where you you may know, how to hit the brake pedal, but you don't know how much pressure to put on it consistently. And you keep rolling the intersection with gas jar Barron down from the opposite side, and those are people who don't track the football while they just don't understand how really track where it should arrive in where they should reach four guys like Sammie Coates had that issue. Of Troy Williamson that issue. Jake Reed back in the day at that issue not always played their game. And so people sometimes conflict drops with that key Butler is a guy that I think is probably I think the best receiver in this class on. And I think he's the most versatile, and if they wanna be multiple use that versatility. He's the guy miles boykin. No, he's the real. Combine wonder is a guy with slot receiver metrics four point zero seven twenty shuttle six seven seven three cone drill forty three and a half inch vertical? Leap and he's two hundred twenty pounds and six four, and he doesn't have those hands issues at all he tracks the ball extremely well. He's good after the catch he strong. He runs to riff routes breaks back to the ball. Extremely well. So you can rely on him variety of ways. It wasn't talked about a lot. Because didn't have a great quarterback. And people wondered if he was truly that faster. Not. But you can see it on tape matches up as what you see. And then then another guy could be. Multiple is AJ Brown. Who's certainly, you know, more of a slot player. And I don't think the giants will go after him, but he can win the catch point. And you could probably put him at flanker because he's very good after the catch. But I think they need more of a split in than that guy beings. If you're gonna look for split ended this class decay Metcalfe's that guy decay Metcalf. You know, he doesn't have great bend with the way he drops his weight in his routes in and out of his brakes of and I worried that tighter coverage will Biggs Asir bait. That issue where now defensive backs in the SEC all over college are just scared out of their minds about getting beat deep by him. So they'd get a lot of cushion. But the same thing goes with him as I think he's so physical it the way he uses his hands. He so violent with his head that he can create runways just doing that. And and then he gets up to that fourthly speed that he has and he's off to tackle any can win the ball all the catch boring. He has occasional technique issues with. His catching and he also drops passes, but again technique is fixable. Just a matter of understanding when he needs to put his hands up high for certain types of throws as opposed to using a lower hands technique. So he's a little more. He's a little less refined than Butler boykin Brown of. But his physicality at high would use him as a split in. That's all you wanna use them for. It's like going to the hardware store and saying you want a hammer, and you're not gonna get all caught up whether or not the hammer concern into a wrench. He's a hammer. And he's a guy is gonna get downfield. Just have the deep the zones of of defense. So the one name that you mentioned that surprised me a little bit as we were talking about that particular point in the draft was was miles boykin. Do you really think that he would be in the conversation that early in the draft or or is he a guy that that would come a little bit later on? I think he's fog end up in the second round. He shouldn't be. But I'm just looking at highlight, great guys. So to me he's that good. He he should be the conversations while the top three or four receivers in this class of. But most likely he will probably fall to the second round in this in this class will be of quiet thing, we got remember that, you know, past examples, we've talked about players, we think are gonna be first or second guys and in the past. We didn't think Paul Richardson would be a second route guy for the Seahawks. When Dante Pettis would be a second round guy for the forty Niners last year. So I'm kind of open to that because I'm debt at this was my first ranked guy last year on the board just ahead of Ridley DJ more and Don strategy see that petty started. Flash solo skills. Once it got LV. So yeah, I don't know what boy can will be someone that they might account and said we can probably get him maybe in the second round. And if they do that will be quite a bargain. And as you said, you know, at the top when we started to discuss this teams have such a wide variety of of grades in any opinions on wide receivers that you know, that you never know, you know, how some of these guys are going to fall, you know. So the giants have the they have the picket thirty seven, and you know, and you talked about boykin. You mentioned Dawson Knox. I don't. I don't know. If Dawson Knox is a is a tight end who would be in consideration that early just, you know, off of your grades. You know, who might some of the guys that that they could be looking at, you know, at thirty seven be maybe a couple of guys we haven't talked about yet. Certainly as another tight end, Irv Smith is kinda delaying Walker type. I would say if you can feel he's a good blocker. He's not quite as big as Hopkinson, but he holds up very, well, technique wise, and he is I think he's the best receiver after the catch. Even though he's not the quote, unquote, most athletic, but he's the most polished tight end in this class, and you know, comes from great bloodlines from earth. Smith senior who played for the New Orleans Saints in the forty Niners for quite a long career. And he is a good tight end who could be split outside versatile. And could give you that Delaney. Walker type of player, but in addition terms of otherwise receiver talents, the keel, Harry might be there, you know, and a lot of people see him as a big slot receiver. And I think that may be the case, but he's also a guy who you know, can win one on one in the deep game at with his physicality, and he's also a guy that you can move around. So if you're looking for multiplicity in terms of multiple looks in terms of higher seniors could move around at different positions. Harry can also play tennis different roles on team. So he would fit in well in that regard. And I think that those, you know, those two guys probably make the most sense of thirty seven. You might see if team I would say this is doubtful based on how he performed at the combine. But if a team is just really in love with Kelvin Harman's tape, and they feel like we'd love his physicality. We like how can run double moves? We feel like he can be possession. Plus kind of split end for us in Alan Robinson tight, but maybe not quite as faster dynamic Kelvin bet car. Kelvin Harbin is a is a guy who wins really well to catch point. And they may see that another one might be an it may seem like an odd pick. But it's Paris Campbell. And the reason it's gonna see my to everybody on yours could be pretty obviously seeing him as more of a slot receiver. There's a lot of talk in being Streep draft me that he can't get deep or that. He wasn't used a lot as deep player only six to five. But we gotta remember that Paris. Campbell's is a hyper lead athlete of this is a guy with four three speed extreme quickness great explosiveness legs drink, he's an excellent blocker. And he just wasn't used much as receiver one of the flaws Dwayne Askins ad that we talked about the last. Episode is sometimes he missed some of the opportunities to throw the ball deep where he had open receivers in terms of the leverage pre snap. And it was usually centered around Paris Campbell in the slot. But pairs Campbell can't get deep. He actually knows how to make the good Dr step one long step into the hard parade. Which is the hardest thing about route running for the more difficult timing rouse. So he may be inexperienced. But he's not raw. He has a good solid base a fundamental as a pass catcher as a route runner, and he someone very good after the catch. And I could see how you know. Maybe they decide that they they like his athletic ability. They wanna get creative with that. I don't think that's the best. All I don't think it's going to happen. But I'm trying to think of guys in that range. In addition to may be deebo Samuel would also kind of fit in that rage. But he's kinda I think depot Samuel can be a little bit for a Jimmy Smith type of play Jag. Guar receive them or a Sterling Sharpe type of player Rickaby a little more physical than you would expect. But he's extremely quick and fast win after the cash, and he's a guy that I've always joked runs that he can kill you with the single death blow with the shot on or thousand paper cuts running through and beating people the way that Odell Beckham junior. Did you know back, you know, when he was starring in your so Sam could also give you that special teams ability. So those are some guys at Mike fit that range of its allied range of possibilities. And and we'll go from there. Hello. I'm Spencer hall from SP nation. And I wanna tell you about my new show. It seemed smart. 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We answer your questions regarding the latest news and headlines of the world of professional finding find us on apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. It's interesting because it just seems like, you know, it seems like as I look at this class. If the giants want to upgrade at wide receiver. It just seems like somewhere along the way. There's going to be value because it just seems like there's a there's a a fair amount of depth the fair amount of variety in types of of players, you know, pretty much all the way through this class. Yes. And you know guy who might creep up into that second round because he had a good throw day was JJ Sehgal Whiteside who six to twenty five dollars box out receiver who wins in the red zone. But also shown some pretty good route running skills, I'm a little concerned about his hands. I think that he catches the ball well in terms of catch rate, but like Cortlandt Sutton, the guy was a little concerned about this way too in played out Denver early. I was that. He doesn't have the greatest technique any fights the ball. But I agree with you. I think there are a number of players in his class who in the in the, you know, second late second day early early third or late third who really have an opportunity to evolve in the stars. And and. I'm looking forward to talking about some of them too. All right. So let's let's frame the next part of this a little bit differently and ask you to kind of put your your GM hat on here for a second. When we look at the giants on their current draft board, they go from thirty seven which is early in the second round to ninety five which I think is the last pick of the third round last or second to last pick of the third round. So there's a huge gap in there. But they have eight day three selections in one of the things that I expect is I expect them to whether it's late second early third. Whether it's, you know, fourth round picks, I would expect them to use some of those day three picks to to move up in in target. You know, a guy let's let's suppose that they've they've gone through. They've picked up a bunch of defensive guys that picked up an offensive tackle. Whatever maybe they picked up their quarterback. They haven't touched receiver or tight end yet. And you're sitting there early in the third round. Is there a guy that you can see maybe it's one of the guys that we've already talked about. Maybe it's a guy that that that we haven't mentioned yet say early early third round where you would bang the table and say if we've got to give up a couple of assets. Let's go get this this guy because he can come in and start for us and help our offense right away. Yeah. And I think we'll start with we'll start with guys who might drop, you know, the miles boykin Ricky Butler drop than I would be throwing the table up against the wall. If they weren't listening get fired probably mum. At that point. I also think you know, if the Keitel hairy dropped it would be interesting to consider consider that. But at tight end, I'd probably be bending the table for someone like Dawson knocks Dawson Knox is still there in the early third round. It's time to consider him seriously as that asset. If you believe that an Ingram can be that got or if you know that your draft board has valued below that. Because I think there are receivers in the who are gonna be available the fourth or fifth round who you really going to be able to get get some value out of. But the if there's a receiver. We haven't talked about that if I was really if if I look at his pro day look at what he has to offer. And I'm pretty intrigued by him. I think he has some drops occasionally, but I like one of seen of him, and he's proven an awful lot. I might. Lee personally, I'd probably say would beg the table for here. But I could see how team might and that's Jalen Hurd, Jalen Hurd of Baylor is a former five star running back around the time where he was the starter ahead of compel VIN Kamera and ahead of John Kelly at Tennessee, and he was around the same range that you know, he was he was in playing around the same time that there can was playing six six five two forty kind of sloppy feed the powerful could catch the ball extremely well showed some speed bursts. But he didn't really wanna be running back. You wanna be receiver? Tennessee didn't really want to be receiver. He ended up getting hurt. He ended the siding to move on and transferred to Baylor be receiver. There's a big kind of divorce fallout in the media between this and Tennessee's coaching staff was beyond they been kind of the they've been. Magnet for trouble. During that time. They weren't that. There was a loud bad stuff going on about that whole program. So but heard got the brunt of it like he was the bad guy. But all Endo is at hurt shut up went to Baylor. Put his head down and became a guy that we look at them on your like this guy looks like he's been playing wide receiver since high school and he runs good routes. You can see him do the technically sound things about talked about with you know, guy like MAs boykin, you can get a little bit better with that gathered the steps to hard breaks. But that's the thing that a lot of young receivers after learn of, but he's got the size. You could break bolt tackles the open field. He's a smart runner. He can catch the ball goal up win it. He's used more often Baylor in the slot. But he should transition to becoming a split end in the league. And again, you know, six five with it, you know, with that kind of quickness and good route running showing -bility too nippy late coverage. And final been zones. You could start about the slot and put Ingram outside. And so you kinda slowly feed him into the offense as a contributor in let him win where he he's comfortable and in the year or two he can wind up being that split end for you. And what's even cooler about him is that because he had the work on his foot work so much as a rout runner Baylor. Still use them as a short yardage running bag or occasional running back as a change of pace. Unlike gap plays trap and power toss. And he looked even better at Baylor as a runner, not production wise, but just purely from his footwork in decision making in quickness because he worked so hard on that it actually helped his game as a running back. So you could see this big old guy come in and kind of be a change of pace to saquon Barkley and suddenly you're looking at two five star former five star running backs one of the. Could occasionally use it up again to try to be multiple. You know, not only did you may be tight end. Or maybe yet? But you have that you also have heard who could be a split end for he could be imply put him at wing back because he's big enough. And if you wanted to add weight decide you wanted to make maybe a tight end, I don't think they would do that. I think he's too much potential as outside Seaver. But if they wanted to go that route, and it might be able to do that with him to his member did play to forty at one time, but Tennessee and that was when he was younger player. So this is a really intriguing prospect who I think that there might be a team or two that really likes. You could see how Scots might be on the table. It's really interesting. All right. So now, we have hit the the day three, you know, portion of the draft. And we've already mentioned we've mentioned a lot of names already and have to admit one of the things one of my favorite time wasting sort of activities is to is to go to the draft network or to go to fans speak, and and and you know, mess around with with the mock draft, simulators those two play. That's it's it's to be honest early in the process, you know, I'm not a person who studies guys the way that the way that you do in the way that that a lot of these guys that a lot of guys do to the point where they know everything about everybody, basically. But there's a point in the process where I'm actually using these simulators to to get to know some of the players ESP. 'specially draft network is kind of cool because it lets you pick up the bios on the players as well researched them, but the mice sort of long winded point here is when I do these seven round mock draft simulations for the giants one of the things that makes me crazy as I do these when I get to day three when I get to date to round four to round five even round six. I look at the board that I'm presented with and it's wide receiver wide receiver wed receiver wide receiver. Wed receive rag go down like twenty five names in nineteen or twenty of them are wide receiver. And I'm like, I don't wanna wide receiver right now. I took one already or I want to do that later. But the point being there's a lot of depth on day three. So what I really want you to do is kind of cherry pick a little bit and talk about some of your some of your favorite guys that could go later in the draft. Oh, absolutely. All right. So Jalen Hurd will probably will one of them. We already talked about a guy that that probably could be liked by scouts a guy by the name of Travis full out of Old Dominion, east six to two hundred fifteen pounds. He's a rugged rebounder. With some sudden. At the you know with this first step he's kind of a potential possession plus receiver with some deep nece some deep game to him. But he's will bit more of like a four five eight forty guy. So he's not gonna blow the top off of off of a defense. But he's a little bit more physical in rugged kinda Michael Crabtree. Aspiring type of player who who could be interesting there if they wanna go big slot. And and they think the guys I have on the outside are good. And they feel like they wanna roll that way. Little Jordan Humphry out of Texas. Who's also a former running back six four to ten has some of the best mitts in this class. And there are a lot of good guys in his class in terms of being able to make the catch kinda Marcus Colston type of player who can run, but he can run after the catch away that Colston couldn't you could probably use them out of the backfield occasionally, but he makes excellent adjustments to the football is not very fast. You know, Tyree Brady is an interesting guy or Emmanuel hall. We'll talk about to them that on wrap up the third guy after this. But Tyree Brady isn't very fast. He comes across four seven four. And that I don't know if that's really indicative is speed. I've seen him get through past guys in ways that seems a lot better that he has really must have really good quickness. He didn't we didn't get a chance to see that on in the metrics in terms of his his workouts. But he's very quick off the line runs. Good routes. He hasn't incredible concentration at the catch point make some really difficult catches. But he kind of in that room of like if AJ green was the top model on the board. You know, like he's the luxury model of this type of receiver and say Josh Reynolds of the Los Angeles Rams is kind of like the mid range model, you know, tiring. Brady's kind of like the compact model at the rental car place. But you might be able to eat might be able to upgraded enough that it could do. A lot of work for you. If you're looking for a classic split end. Who's just graceful can become really good deep ball specialist. Maybe expand his game and become something. More Emmanuel hall of Missouri's early graceful guy with four three nine speed kind of in that Justin hunter mode, though. 'cause once he drops the ball. He starts to drop more and drop more any loses concentration. And I think he has to continue to work harder to focus his game. A guide will probably fall day three. Because of an off field situation is pressed in Williams, and we talked about the AJ green model, if AJ greens the all pro model of in terms of ability, Preston Williams could turn out to be the starter model for that. Which is pretty darn good six four to eleven Scott four five speed is as quick enough. He has good enough acceleration. He's terrific after the cat. He wins the ball well near he could play. Flanker split any. He he actually runs good routes, and he's guy Colorado state, who's a former five star prospect of Tennessee saying program where Jalen Hurd, left and Williams has really I think Williams is one of the better prospects in this class. He's in my top ten on my board of but will probably drop because he had a domestic violence issue when or during his Tennessee career, and you know, obviously, the NFL every wanna look at it. If you wanna look at it, the cynical way, I'm more cynical side of things you look at the NFL has more of an optics PR issue about this than they do about really caring about it. If you look, you know, on the level of like, you know, in terms of how that goes now, I look at this way. I think everyone cares about domestic violence in in who has a good head on their shoulders. But at the same time, you know without getting too deep into it. I just say. That some businesses in America, don't, you know, don't have don't have a policy on it at all some some basically suspend people if there's a conviction some people would suspend base some companies with suspend based on a rest, there's a lot of Orion. So we tend to hold these hold the NFL to even higher standards and what our own corporations do. But with that said, you know that sensitivity in terms of the public is sometimes creates a need to drop players just based on the term. And when you look at Preston Williams what he did was wrong. Very clearly let me point that up. But from what I read in the police report, it was basically, he got an argument. He's a young kid got an arguments girlfriend girlfriend wanted to leave the apartment, and he blocked the doorway and tried to hold her from the doorway didn't hit her than pusher. Didn't do any bodily harm to her. Now, I'm not saying that holding someone back from the holding from there will being threatening on that level. Is not wrong. It's definitely wrong. He definitely deserves to be arrested. He definitely deserved to be punished. But it's it's different than say. There's a different degree of that say tyreek hill on strangling his pregnant girlfriend, you know, or Dede Westbrook kicking or strangling his pregnant girlfriend. You know, these are very difficult subject matters. But you know, if you wanna have a more in depth thought about this. I actually talked with a Serapis to works with people who you know, who have been perpetrators in these issues in domestic violence or assault in the past. And and I've had him give his takes on Myers p podcast, you know, about this. And how it relates to the NFL, but Williams has gone through counseling? His teammates said he was a sketchy guy at Colorado state when he arrived. He's become a much different guy since that time. They've seen him grow up a lot. If there's a. Team that want to giants feel like they wanna take a chance on the guy like that. Preston Williams would be that guide that might be worthwhile in the fourth round one. Last guy wanna mention, and I have a feeling that this is the guy to say that I I'm pretty sure from my sources that that the giants are very interested in this guy. And I'll just leave it at that. He is at Monmouth Monmouth, I don't know how to pronounce a month university. And that's that's Reggie White junior. Reggie White junior is about the dimensions of Marvin Jones of the Detroit Lions. He's about six two a little over two hundred pounds. He is extremely quick. He is fast enough. I mean you look at his game. And let me see can pull up his information here because he is he's an excellent young player that okay? He's runs a four four five forty. So he has the deep speed. You're looking for is a four point. Oh, seven twenty shuttle, which is very good. You know, nearly caliber in that in that range six seven seven three cone drill. And that is as good that's actually better than that's as good as miles boykin who was the top guy in that area. So he's quick he accelerates. Well, he's fast enough to get deep on you. And he wins the ball with grace winning the ball and tight coverage. Extremely well. And I've heard scout say that he's the best prospect ever plant, mama, and that's includes miles Austin played there. I think he can be that possession plus player who could either play flanker split in win. Contested catches be a red zone threat. When after the cash they liked to see him be a little bit more physical, and they like to see evidence of step up and be that big play guy. But I think he's going to get drafted late. And I would not be shocked at all the giants are looking at him. Look at you coming on the podcast and breaking some giants news look at that. Away something I sleep for a couple of weeks. So, and I and I can tell you I can't tell you that there's interest there. I I know I can't go into detail who in why? But I know that I know who was there. And I know what they were looking for. And I know that it was a very special case for them to be there. And you're talking about you're talking about like at at a local pro day on. Yes. And so I know that there were people there that that were very interested in him. And that you know, you wouldn't normally see some of those people there, and I'll just say that the, you know, the giants pick him I would not be surprised at all if they can get their hands on. Interesting stuff as always met. We always appreciate you coming on and break in these breaking these prospects down, and you know, now now you've set a new bar 'cause now you're coming on here. Breaking some news. Listen, I don't normally get this stuff. And I don't end when I do I don't know normally share it. But this is one where I can feel comfortable sharing this one just enough that that that's it. But I'm not normally the insider type guy with that. I just breakdown prospects just happen to know this one. All right. Hey, why don't you? You know, we did this last week. But or two go ahead in in, you know, let people know about your website and your draft guide again before I let you go. Sure, you know, you can find my draft guide. Mount Waldman dot com, and you get there's a tour of my draft guide the pre and post draft additions of that that you can look at from the past and the you can find my work at WWW dot Matt Waldman, R S, P dot com that provides links to my YouTube channel, the ours p film room and a lots of different analysis for myself and Mark Scofield as well Scott Bischoff, occasionally, some work from him and. And and then the dish into that. I've a podcast, and I found out my podcast broke the top one fifty in in sports and recreation recently, and that was and that's the ours p cast about while ours p tasks so you can kind of find my work at those three ranges, and you can find me at Twitter at Matt Waldman. All right. Thank you very much meant in. We will you know, when the giants draft Reggie junior. We're gonna have to give you a shout out. And you know, make sure that the world knows that that you had it. I. Okay. All right. Thanks. Thanks again. And we'll talk to you later. All right. 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RTCD #194: Kyle Crabbs (Part 1)

The College Draft with Ross Tucker

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RTCD #194: Kyle Crabbs (Part 1)

"Warriors cell phone code one. This drank. And listen to rust and Philadelphia Eagles film junkie. Fran. Duffy breakdown the top college prospects on another tasty edition of the college draft. Yes, it is daddy soda time here on the college draft podcasts, and it is the first post draft addition of college raft podcast presented by bed. Online dot AG AMRO's Tucker former longtime NFL offense lineman five times seven years five times. Now five teams seven years. I guess is a longtime depending on your perspective. It felt like a long time at the time. Now seems kind of like a short time, but it was a blast. And this is the podcast that is year round breaking down the draft year round. So that's what. We do we get a chance to dive into the draft process year round evaluating players. It's a lot of fun. We're doing it again today with Kyle crabs from the draft network. You can check him out on Twitter at grinding the tape. Kyle actually got me a bunch of us on an interview I had with the dolphins fan because Kyle also is the host of a dolphins podcast. He was on about a month ago. He's the lead editor of the dolphins wire. He has the podcast it to win it. So we'll get into that momentarily that should be pretty good. I will say this though before I forget probably the last time. I'll mention it to you my front page story dot com. If you have not gotten your wife or your mom a gift for mother's day. I can't possibly highly recommended enough my front page story dot com. You literally talk to a reporter for ten minutes. It's fifty bucks. They write an unbelievable story about your mom or wife, you give it to her truly unique special gift being able to tell your mom or your wife that you had a story written about them. Are you kidding me? Who gets to say that mom, babe? I had a story written for you. Those are two different people, by the way, mom was one person. Babe was the other person. I had a story written about you. My front page story dot com. I wanna get Kyle crabs story on the draft. And the teams he. He thought had big time hits in the draft. And the teams that he thought had big time. Mrs let's dive in. All right. So Kyle before we even get into your draft hits and draft. Mrs. We gotta talk about the dolphin fan video debt that you posted after I posted to our I guess I just re tweeted does on who I was working for that posted it the dolphins fan. Does that it was the worst trade the rose and Trey was the worst trade in the history of the Miami Dolphins. And I think you said he's the worst dolphins fan in the history of the Miami Dolphins. Obviously you're a dolphins fan. And you do you do a lot of dolphins stuff? I'm assuming you liked the Josh Rosen trade. Yeah. First and foremost, I think the the issue for dolphins fan is they're so used to team making bad decisions that they don't know a good one when they see one for me personally. I look at the rose in deal and the team entered Friday with two second round picks between twenty thousand nine hundred twenty twenty they left Friday with two second round picks between twenty nine hundred and twenty twenty and Josh Rosen. So really all they did was take this year's first round pick. Thanks to the trade backward. New Orleans and bump it the twenty twenty. And that's that's been the thought process of Chris Greer, the the general manager who's been given full rein this year Miami. They wanted to really prioritize draft capital and being mindful of the compensatory pick formula with their free agent spending. Which is why they let you on James walk, and they did a nice job. Not just trading an asset for a player. They replaced the asset before they traded for Josh Rosen. And then you had the financial component on top of it is this a no brainer deal for Miami. The risk is so low and they own just over six million dollars over the course of the next three years. So Rosa was my second rate of quarterback in twenty eighteen. I'm really hopeful that the dolphins can get the offensive line fix. Because if they don't get that fixed. Rosen's not gonna work out here either. But it was a very low risk move. When you take into consider what may news able to do to set it up. So. A couple of things who was your number one rated quarterback last year. I forget I'd Baker Mayfield is my top quarterback class here. Okay. And then so for Josh Rosen. I I look at it like a free swing at the plate bite at the apple whatever you wanna call it where they'll get a chance to see if they just basically committed highway robbery and got a franchise quarterback worst case scenario, I feel like they draft another quarterback high next year in Rosen becomes a pretty inexpensive backup and a solid backup. But that for twenty twenty and twenty twenty one behind to a tongue via low or Herbert or whoever if Rosen shows he's not up to the task of being the starter there. Yeah. And that's really the to get him on a draft capital discount to get him essentially for sixty two and a five when he went ten last year and not have to pay him any guaranteed money. It really removes who's all the risk for Miami. And as you said, if she tanks in Miami, you know, then the people that thought Miami was tanking intentionally will have seemed there there's seri- come to life and the dolphins have a high draft pick and they'll winter twenty twenty twenty draft as of right now when you factor in compensatory pace their projected for thirteen draft picks next year. So if they're terrible and Rosen stinks, and they have a high pick. Then great you'll have to trade any of that extra draft capital to go up and get a quarterback that you like if you feel like there's one that you have feel has the answers that Josh Rosen may not because let's be honest. Josh Rosen is not the athlete that Kylie Marie is. And he's not a guy that that is. Going to get outside the pocket with great success. But I think Josh showed enough flashes of mobility within the pocket at UCLA and even at Arizona last year that I'm not gonna write him off and say oh traditional pocket passer. Like Josh Rosen is really gonna struggle to be successful starter. I just think he needs to be in a situation that that has an effective offensive line. And I do take the dolphins having Laremy Tunsil helps. And I really like to pick a Michael deeter. And once we get past this may night's deadline and free agent veteran free agent signings. Don't impact a compensatory pick formula. Like we mentioned the dolphins pace placing that priority on they're going to get involved in signing, some cheap reagents and veteran free agents to kinda help stabilize things so they can get an accurate assessment of Josh Rosen. The the theory that this team wanted to tank is has just been the the easy narrative to take because they were getting rid of the dead weight on the roster and the the the overpaid contracts. Ryan tannehill contract was an albatross. And they're still paying for domination who they cut last year. So they just wanted to do a firm reset never meant that they were intensely gonna come out losing. I'll be really interested to see what veteran free agents they bring in. So that they can try and get that accurate assessment of Josh Rosen and twenty nineteen. And if people want to check out the video, you can check out Kyle's Twitter at grinding the tape or mine at Ross Tucker and fell have it. When the guys that he's a Panthers fan now try to give and take your shirt off and his hat off Ross died. I was laughing so hard when he I I mean when he first started on the Tirado is rolling my eyes at by the end of the video when you call them out to take off all his Gulf and stuff, and he he did an immediate backtrack. It would that was it. That's good of an example as you can find like we're angry just for the sake being angry. We don't even know angry about any more so props to you for calling this guy out. So I want to get to some of the drafts that you really liked and some of the ones that you didn't. And it's interesting because for your draft hits. You know, you see a lot of the same teams out there right for people to talk about the drafts that they liked. But the one that you said, you really liked or one of the ones that said you like I thought it was interesting was the New Orleans Saints. I wasn't expecting that. Tell me about that. Yeah. So I look at what the saints were able to do, and they came in with a really limited draft class to begin with because of the market Davenport trade last year, and what they essentially did was they negated some of the impact that market stabbing portrayed. They gave up their second in twenty twenty. They sent that to Miami to jump up from sixty to forty eight and they landed their new starting center, in my opinion, and Eric coy and with the the loss that they occurred there with retirement McCoy has the chance to help. This offense not to get the beep when you think about where the saints Arza franchise and drew Brees still being there, and they're in their immediate winning window and people will argue they should have won the Super Bowl last year to get a plug and play starter on the into your offensive line air McCoy from me. I gave a lot of love to some of these into your offensive linemen. This year was a top twenty player for me personally on my personal draft board. And I I like a lot of what he can do. And then it would be a hundred and v they'll any Chauncey garter Johnson. And New Orleans has been a team that has really thrived defensively with three plus safeties on the field. And I love the the versatility that they give you in there, so packages and guys that can drop down into the nickel and play man. But also plays run reliably jaunty garden. Johnson was a guy that I thought was that caliber player it seemed like he dropped because of some concerns through the Predrag process and his interviews. But as far as on the field, he really turned the corner in two thousand eighteen is as far as being rely. Liable tackler, but he's super versatile. I was expecting him to be a top fifty selection, and he experienced a little bit of a slide, but coming off the board here with one of the first couple of picks believe was the third pick on day three hundred and five overall. So I think they feasibly got despite having forty eight and one oh five is their first toothpicks. I think they got two guys if forty eight and one and five they can start be quality starters. And then I liked the lease MAC from Notre Dame too. I know he had some issues he was ineligible for a season there. But by all reports that you folks that you talked to he's really got his head on straight. And he's a gifted receiving tight end. So to add another middle of the field weapon is a guy who as a seventh round pick. You don't wanna put too many expectations on it? But he was a guy for me. I thought had late day too early day. Three potential is around three round four tight in a good time in class. So some some questions on some of these guys that led Chauncey Gardiner Johnson and lease Maccabi available. But I think the talent that they got in the Bank for their buck for the limited picks that they have in how handcuffed they were coming in. I thought they did a wonderful job. So a couple of things that's interesting. I I didn't remember you have an Eric McCoy is a top twenty guy. You know, part of me. Kyle looks at it and says I didn't really love the trade up for Davenport last year, and you gave up Trump pick. Although, you know, as a guy that played I am of the mindset of specially when you have a guy like drew Brees. You don't have you don't know how much more he has left. I like the idea of being aggressive and trying to go for it. And frankly, they probably should have been in the Super Bowl. They got a raw deal we all know that with the missed call. And so I don't have a problem with that. And with McCoy after maximum retired. I get it. They signed Nikki Ston and free agency. But they wanna make sure they're covered there and eastern really becomes their sixth guy, if McCoy ended up being the starter, and that's very valuable, and and really, you know, somebody interior gets hurt eastern would be plugged in. And probably if somebody in the tackle gets hurt they'd bump out Andrews, Pete and put eastern end. So he becomes a real. Really valuable guy. I just to me to move up from sixty two to forty eight and give up next year's to to your dolphins. That's the second year in a row where that that felt pretty rich. But if they go to the Super Bowl this year if they win it. I think it's worth it. And they wanted to be to make sure that they weren't of left holding the bag at that position. The Gardner Johnson thing is interesting to me because you know, this is one of those things where we heard a lot you get to later in the process, and you hear these rumors about that he really didn't interview. Well, and I guess I'm curious cow as to what you heard in that regard. And what that typically means whether it's more of an attitude issue or more of maybe not having the football. Intelligence that people were hoping for because there were people that that thought Chauncey garner Johnson. They were shocked. He didn't go in the second round. He didn't go to around four. Yeah. You can definitely count me in that boat. And I'd be really surprised if it turned out to be football intelligence concerns considering how versatile he was at Florida and how much they really asked him to do. And you could see him on the field. He had phenomenal quick and close ability, and when they had him out in the nickel, and he he was tasked with stacking up block point walkers on double screens and no outside runs. His reactive. Quickness was very very impressive. So I would have to assume I didn't get any vibe one way or the other on on what the concerns were. But I would have to consume. It was either a. Commitment to football concern or an attitude concern because the film I thought spoke volumes of how sharpie was now. I will say this. They're probably some concerns and probably lost it over in the media. A little bit about his tackling. He was a very bad tackler two thousand seventeen but he was much much more consistent in two thousand eighteen and I thought he really leave those concerns, but if teams didn't feel comfortable with him as a tackler because he didn't show a large body of work of being consistent tackler with good contact balance and ability to square guys up, and then he had that question or whatever you on top of that that may be able to explain why he ended up being just outside the top one hundred and I'll say this to as it relates to Allison Mack. I did the nerd and blue gold game a few years ago for NBC, and he's really talented. I mean, he he was really really impressive. And I don't know, you know, why his career kind of went sideways. I know he had his issues. But there was no question. He was like a redshirt freshman then a couple years ago. There was no question that he was extremely talented that was that was pretty obvious. So that certainly seemed like the right guy to take a flyer on in the seventh round other team. You really liked and I agree with was the LA chargers. I gotta tell you a lot of people don't even know his name Kyle. But I really think Tom to Lesko if we just go buy draft record. I think he might be a tap five GM these days in terms of his picks. And I think he. He nailed a bunch of them in this draft again to get. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's the Derwin Jane virus thing last year, obviously was a home run for them. And I think they got a lot of solid doubles. And they might have got a home run or two in this year's class. When you look at the top of the class, Jerry Tillery going twenty eight overall the Sierra going sixtieth overall, I love those two additions to their roster. I really feel like Tillery will add a stout component on the defensive line. And obviously need to upgrade them position. And Tillery coming has the the versatility as far as alignments and feeling comfortable with him. If you wanna play him four, I five techniques you could put him at three techniques. So there's all different times of alignments for him that I feel comfortable with him. I like is the ability to to gap, and and he's he's pretty stout. He's a bit of a one year wonder, but he really played to his potential at Notre Dame. And then he went to the combine and tested the blue doors off it as far as athletic. Ability. And I think that was really the ice on the cake it solidified him this year. Adderley I love his back in range. I think him airing with Derwin genes gives you a really really exciting combination of guys outerly used to play corner at Delaware. He's got excellent range on the back end. So when James you think about where he was so good at Florida state. It was kinda net robber role when he's able to play a little bit closer to the line of scrimmage, but he's versatile enough that he can play on the back end if you need him too. So the versatility and the flexibility that this gives the chargers is really really exciting. You look a little bit further down trae Pipkins from Sioux Falls at talented small school kid. I think he's a total project. There was a little surprised that they went there at ninety one. But I think this this draft class in particular, you really saw teams gravitate towards athletic traits, and at on the offensive line, specifically offensive tackle guys that they they can coach can hope to develop so. Oh, they're they're betting on the upside there, but even moving down a little further, drew tranquil, one of my my favorite wine, backer prospects. He's at I actually think Ross he has some parallels to the pass at Alexander Louis had to the NFL level where really really talented kid struggled with some injuries tranquil heads and knee issues. He gets to the combine and the tests really really well tranquil win a little bit lower than what ends Aloni did. But I really like his mind playing the linebacker position. I think he's really sharp and his ass lettuce. Ism showed a little bit more than what you might have thought that he had it Notre Dame based on what he was asked to do in the range that he was asked to show. So I think he's a potential long-term starter for the charges in the fourth round backup quarterback east and stick. I also really like Emeksiz be life from Houston who they got picked two hundred. He's a guy that they used a little bit off the. Edge kind of as a Blitzer, but they also used them in pass coverage zone underneath that. I thought that was an area that he was really good. So I think realize the guy that can can play some special teams for you be a sub package guy potentially. And then they took a risk on a guy like Cortez. Brought who has a really nice I step on the defensive line has no idea what he's doing with his hands. But again, these late round picks seventh-round picks betting on some athletic upside. And the chargers doing that position of need with some crates that you can't teach now I just got a co coach up on how to play so this top to bottom. I like the watt about this draft class. What did you think of eastern stick? Cal. He went right about where I would evaluate. And I got a sixth round grade on him. He went in the lakes and some interesting qualities, right? You know, he's pretty pretty ass lettuce. He ran one of the most impressive three cone drills. Not that that has anything to do with playing quarterback, but it's testament to his his athletic ability. And anytime you have a guy that comes out of accomplished program. North Dakota state, obviously dominated at their level of competition. And he's a tough kid. There's some two way ability. Here was built Billy uses legs and get outside the pocket, and I didn't think he had like an a arm, but I think he had a requisite arms of play at the NFL level. So I think if you can get your hands on him and get him in a an NFL coaching room and try and work with him. I think ideally, he's a backup. I don't know if he's ever going to start at the NFL level. But I think he can stick for a long time because he's athletic, and he's smart and a lot of times you see these. Backup quarterbacks they come in. And they they kinda throw you little bit of a change because they they're placed is a little different and sticks guy that can get off schedule little bit with how athletic is. So I think there's some modest stuff side with that pick. So let's get a new the last team that that you really liked and that is the Arizona Cardinals. Obviously they had the number one pick. But then I tend to agree. I thought that they really added to it pretty nicely. When you look at the pictures they made after that. Yeah. Yeah. You know, the the ironic thing is if I were the cardinals, I probably wouldn't have taken Cuyler one. But it's the decision that they decided to go and he's an exciting town. So it is what it is. And you look at the rest of this draft class and buy in Murphy, thirty three India's a bell at sixty two Zach out at sixty five they came Butler at one oh, three Deontay Thomson at one thirty nine all of those names. Like, you could've bumped them up one slot and I could justify so like you could adjust fight Isabel at thirty three instead of sixty two that gallon sixty two and Akim baller at sixty five. So I just thought they did a nice job kinda letting the board come to them. And that's what these teams that are really devoid of talent need to do. They need to just pick good football players. But at the same time the good football players that they picked you think about quit Kingsbury offense and adding team Butler and Andy Isabella to that group butlers. Got some. Mm great vertical components to his game. I think he's a really favorable fit for the offense that they're going to ask Kylie Murray and to to take shots down the field with and Isabel as a former track guy. Umass Scott, four three speed exciting potential out of the slot. So they're they're really gonna look the space to feel when I think think offense they did didn't really nice job waiting to see cliff king, berries offense and getting players and Kyla Murray and Andy Ville, and he came Butler and really taking advantage of that. With the talent that was available. So let's dive into a couple of these guys a little bit deeper. Byron Murphy, I felt like a lot of people and just to be clear who would you've taken number one. If you wouldn't have taken Cuyler. Queenie was my top player. So it's if I was comfortable with Josh Rosen, which me based on my own personal valuation of Josh Rosen was comfortable with him going on term. If I was looking to build around him. I probably would have just stayed true to my board and taking the most talented player. Quinton williams. What about at Byron Murphy a lot of people thought he might be the top corner. They got him at thirty three. And I also want to get your thoughts on India's Abella from UMass. So Byron Murphy dropping to thirty three. I think is the latest reminder that teams don't like small corners. Byron is a little leaner, not that. He has any injury issues. And you know, he's still young young players redshirt sophomore when he left Washington, but. The the physicality component of that position. With with the collisions in space with how quickly these guys move and Murphy's one area that that I think was a glaring concern was press coverage, and if he could be physical enough to stack up guys on the outside, and you see a lot of these smaller corners they come into the pros and they struggle with injuries. You know, Sidney Jones of another Washington quarter had the achilles tear has really struggled in Philly trying to get his feet under him. He's been up and down you think about Jason Barrett from two thousand fourteen who was one of the more talented corners, I've scouted and by six years of doing draft work and just has not been able to stay healthy. And he's another one of these lightning fast food smaller corners. So I think that can put teams off a little bit. But Byron's really really good. And I think the worst case scenario is you let him fail his way inside but nickel corner such a valuable position. These days that you know, he'll he'll see more snaps than he misses. Just by. He doesn't natives the nickel corner. So I really loved about. He was my top quarry was I think in the late late teens on my personal board. I think he might have been his highest fifteen but the I think the size concern. There was really what turned the teams all. But Isabela exciting player for what he is. I think this was right around the right spot for a guy like him. He's super quickey. He runs pretty nifty Ralph's and he wins in short spaces. He's not gonna be a guy that can play above the rim for you. And he's gonna have to be a guy that you put put the ball on his body because he doesn't have a very big reach. He doesn't have a high catch radius, but they'll be able to separate and you get him. You know, you so situations against safeties underneath, and he he's gonna win a lot of stuff short of the sticks. But then like I said he's got that four three speed. So I think he's got some exciting potential. To turn stuff north and and get feel and make some explosive plays happen, especially with the space in concepts that the cliff Kingsbury is gonna try and implement. Couple other guys. I wanted to ask you about. Zachary Allen Zack Allen from Boston College. I really liked him when I would watch BC play. And I guess he was the first pick of the third round. So we went pretty high. But he seemed to me like a guy that could could be an early down in distance, you know, D end, and then move and rush inside which seems like more and more teams are looking for those guys. Yeah. He somewhere on this like dean Lowry to Michael Bennett. Lexicon of player. I liked him a lot when you when I first watched his film. I thought he was really really fun really stout. Us productive to and BC him. He was all over the place. And then I think what turned teams off the him a little bit with he came down to the senior bowl. And then these one on one situations and in an environment and atmosphere, that's really tailored to defensive. Why me to have success because how much space you have the operate. You really struggle. I thought every single day didn't show a lot of pass rush playing. I don't think he showed the first step that they wanted to see the defensive end. So I think that kinda raised some concerns about okay from functional athletics. Schism perspective. Do we feel comfortable with him as a guy that will play end more often than he's playing inside? Or do you wanna play mid five five tech like what the the Houston Texas do with JJ watt? And so I think there was some some questions as far as Twitter. Role for him. This was right around where I ended up having him graded. But I know some some folks that I really really respect on. He was top forty player in the class. So. I think if you play you don't ask him to be something that he's not which is a guy that's consistently playing off the edge and trying to rush off the edge. Go have a very productive career for you. I don't know the sack ceiling super high, but he's going to be an aid in the run game. And he'll get you some power pressures. And if you put him inside you can with some quickness deal. And then Akeem Butler, we might have talked about him the last time you were on. But it just seemed like he was a guy Kyle that there was a wide range of opinions on I like getting Isabela the speed and the slot and Butler as you use the term above the rim earlier. That's certainly Butler. Yeah. He he has some of the more impressive reps of any wide receiver in this year's class. And he's got some great body control down the field of the two areas of concern that I had with came Butler were his ability to get off press coverage. But there were some times he spent too much time. Athlon scrimmage, and there were other times where he really didn't play to his physical potential as far as working through contact. So there were reps that he got eliminated far too easily because of his releases, and I think that's his primary a our primary area of improvement for him to focus on if he's gonna reach that potential, which is sky, but the other area for him that I made a lot of notes on was when he was addressing the ball, and he was square to the football. So you're comeback routes stuff. When you're facing your passers the ball comes in. He fought the ball a little bit which is surprising because the house. Strong and healthy -ffective his hands are when he was tasked with high pointing it, but when he had to put his his index fingers and thumbs together make that diamond and try and catch the nose of the football and had to make a judgment and place. His hands on the nose of the ball. If it wasn't directly on the numbers. He fought the ball quite a bit and had some drops in those areas. So wasn't necessarily player that had was without questions. But I was surprised the questions resulted in him dropping this far to one three. You know, if you would've told me, it came out with was gonna slide I thought maybe whereas that gallon got pick would have been what this live look like. But he dropped a whole extra around versus what I thought is worst case scenario would be Kyle fantastic stuff. Always appreciate it. And I always appreciate the ability to give you guys great offers like the one we always have at bet online dot AG using the promo code podcast one. For that fifty percent. Welcome bonus. So so cool to be able to anytime. Go to bed online dot AG and bet on anything you want you want about on the NBA playoffs. Boom. When a bet on the NHL playoffs. Boom. How about the Kentucky Derby this weekend? You've probably heard of it little thing called the Kentucky Derby, no big deal. 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RTFF #343: PreDraft Rookie Dynasty Draft

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RTFF #343: PreDraft Rookie Dynasty Draft

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Matt Williamson, and I see Matt tweet that M dub who I used to work with the four letter networks I actually thought because I thought Ryan already been on the fantasy fees before I think there's just I see up posting when you guys do your show. Why don't we start with that? Ryan. What show? Do you an MD? Do. It's dynasty, right? Yeah. Yeah. It's called the dynasty blueprint. And once once Matt. But left that four letter network. You're speaking of he he wanted to keep podcasting reached out to me about starting a dynasty podcast, and we've been doing that ever since it's awesome. I love it. Now, give us your background Reich because anybody that is making a career or is in the industry, or frankly is to the level where Evan really wants to get them on the show. I always like hearing how they got to that point. Sure. So it's actually not not my full time career, but I'm a teacher as my day job. But just started playing dynasty fantasy football about about fifteen years ago or so. And then seven years ago. Once Twitter was really picking up. I was pretty active on there and that in that fantasy football community the guys from dynasty league football reached out s me to start doing some writing for them. I'm still with them to this day. So almost almost seven years later and a couple years after that in two thousand fourteen I noticed that Rhoda world had an opening their their guy who covered dynasty for them was stepping away. I reached out to Evan things worked out. So I've been with rota world since twenty four fourteen. That's awesome. Where do you live just outside Louisville Kentucky? Okay. What do you teach? Teach third grade while that is awesome. Yeah. So so we cover it all did you try to get those third graders in your dynasty leagues and hustle and for their money. There's there's enough suckers out there. I don't have to. I don't have to do that. But I I do talk about, you know, the writing process that I go through and and show them some are Nichols. And things like that. So I think that kinda helps helps relate in that way. Especially when we're we're doing writing stuff, I feel like third grade is when kids kind of start to get into fantasy football, though, don't they? Yeah. I mean, probably not anymore at least not with the group that that I'm around, you know, they're they're in the video game. Still and things like that. We actually don't have too many that are that are really into sports at all, unfortunately. Well, that's that's really interesting. Well, awesome. Well, love the background and love anybody that kind of had to hustle their way with Twitter and reaching out and Evan and everything. So really happy to have your board and very very fired up for the dynasty rookie draft. We're going to have and Evan. I want you to explain. But I think we we might have something similar last year. But the importance of doing this at least once before the draft four the players actually land in specific spots with specific teams. So absolutely the NFL dry. Itself in the Laming spots or going to play a big role in how dynasty rookie drafts. Go. But this is also a way. To keep us honest, or we right now, we're really just ranking guys like in in terms of talent, you know, what what Ryan and I are going to do is a two round dynasty rookie mock draft, and it's really gonna be just based off how much do we believe in the players themselves. But then when we have, you know, some of the answers to the test like what teams are the guy's gonna be playing for. We're going to have a little bit more confident opinions those the confidence of those opinions can be it can be fo. I mean, it can it can mislead us. But also, but at least we're going to have more of a blueprint blueprint right now out this particular rookie class is really interesting because I mean, it's crazy. The opinions are all over the place. Usually at this time, we have like a consensus top five I'm not even sure that we can say that we have a consensus top five. Right now the running backs. In this class are I mean, it's a really really weak running back class. I think that a lot of some people say it's deep, and you know, maybe that's true. But I think it's just people squinting to try to justify to themselves that all these guys have a chance, you know, if you look if you like. Use your mind to like put guys in the perfect spot. Then. Yeah, you can come up with five or six guys that might make impacts at the running back position. But the the best running back. I think is Josh Jacobs guide. One hundred twenty carries last year at his pro day. He ran. Best four or five two. And at worst four six four. You know, and then at the wide receiver position. It's great. I mean, there are some awesome big receivers as prospects. But no one has them ranked the same way I think and then tight end there are some great prospects up top. And then it falls off pretty pretty drastically after four or five guys. So it's gonna be really interesting to see how Ryan and I go back and forth on this and just Ryan's comments. Because Ryan pays attention to this stuff like year round like even during the regular season. I don't you know, I start to look at it of after the just as I'm breaking down the NFL draft itself. But it's going to be really interesting to hear Ryan's comments on you know, how how much guys have risen just within the past couple of months based on the senior bowl combine etcetera etcetera. Love it. All right. Let's get going. All right Ryan, you start us off. Right before I make the big. I just want to say, I think that's really an interesting point. You made Evan about guys like me who are watching these players year round, and and really throughout their college career versus others. Like, you who are basically trying to play catch up at this point had a good conversation last year. I believe with Matt Harmon who I think you guys are probably had him on the show and Mets in the same position that you that you are he doesn't necessarily watch a ton of college football. And and we kind of got to the point that we decided that could be kind of a good thing just that fresh set of eyes, and you don't have those those preconceived notions about players. Maybe you don't even identify or recognize who was the top recruit. And I think sometimes we stick these players at the top of our ranks because they were top recruits because they were they had success early in their college career. And we just kind of give them the benefit of the doubt. Honestly, I think that's why a lot of dynasty players got stuck with Likud Treadwell. He he was in that exact same situation, and and I fell into that trap myself. So. Definitely still pay attention to college football into these these top players throughout the year. But I also try to be. Cognizant of of that that danger that trap. It. So I'm gonna go ahead and make this first pick. It's a tough one. Evan you. And I have talked about this a little bit over these over the past few days. I'm not sure there's a great top choice right now. The guy I'm going to take his team Butler, the wide receiver from Iowa State, just a huge duties six five. Great ball skills. High points the ball. He's a deep threat. Some some concerns though with his hands. Lots of drops. I don't I don't think any of these guys are perfect. You kind of alluded to that Evan and the real concern now with Butler is is he going to be a first round pick. Because if he's not there's no way you can take him with the first overall pick. So that would even that draft capital that you spoke of earlier, that's that's going to impact things. And if butlers not in the first round, you certainly can't take him with the one one. And if I'm sitting there and in a real league a real dynasty league with that one. Oh, one pick. I'd much rather trade down give me a mid first late for something. Like that. I think that's maybe the better option than than taking a shot on one of these guys. That's perfect. I think that's really good analysis and think it's something that people can start to think about with Akeem Butler. It's really interesting because. There's a Grupo of football analysts that love them. And then there's a group of football analysts that are really really low on autumn like Daniel, Jeremiah doesn't even have him as a top fifty prospect. And that's not me like trying to call Daniel, Jeremiah. I love Daniel, Jeremiah. I think he's awesome. And I I read everything that he puts out, but he also gets information from you know, from teams from actual NFL teams, and then Lindsay line does as well as keen Butler's, the wide receiver thirteen in the draft. And I talked to Lynn to Lance recently. And he was like, yeah, I'm gonna go back and watch them because you know, you got Greg Cosell out here comparing him to AJ green. You got Waldman of football guys. You know, compare saying he's one of the best prospects that he's ever studied. And so just the the wide variance of opinions on came Butler makes him. You know, it's like, Mike. Well, this guy go in the third round. Like, if the guy goes in the third round or something, then it's it's, you know, we're going to have to move down the board because as you mentioned, I think the draft capital itself, not even early the teams as much crass capitol itself. Where like we're in the draft. These guys are selected is going to go a long way towards terminating of where they are drafted after the draft in dynasty rookie dress for number two. I'm gonna go with AJ Brown to me. He reminded me a lot of juju Smith Schuster when I saw him play. He played in the same offense. As k met Cass was way way way. More productive of moved inside. And out some play a lot in the slot. I think he's amidst mismatch there. I think he's better as a player than the keel hairy who might go next. We'll probably go pretty soon, but I'm really a big fan of AJ Brown. I'm taking him a second over. Hall. Yeah. I like that. I like that AJ Brown pick a lot. Looking at my rankings and just how they've changed even just in these two three months of the offseason. I've already ranked three different players as my top rookie available. And you know, maybe that's a case of me being a little wishy washy, but I think it really speaks to the class, especially the the top of the draft class and just how you know, kind of how jumbled up they are really. So AJ Brown is not one of those guys. But he's he's really close so definitely endorse that picket at one point. Oh to I'm going to take the guy you mentioned Akil hairy at the three spot. He is. He's a player that I would say at this point pre-draft is the favourite to be the one. Oh, one in most rookie drafts. I run some Drass dynasty league football. We we use that to collect and build ADP data soon too. Syndicale Harry has been the number two player in February number one player in March number one player in April. So he's he certainly certainly up there. And like I said, he's probably the favourite right now to be that one on one. He's he's also versatile receiver. He can go in or out. He's he's gonna offer something in the return game. I think when it's all said and done he'll be a late first rounder in the NFL draft. And and that will give them that draft capital that we're looking for that would certainly help he checks a lot of boxes, you know. He he tested as a great athlete. He's big. He had a lot of run after catch production. Just a lot of production overall. I mean, he was a dominant three year player at Arizona state. And yeah, I mean, I think he's a high floor pick. I mean, I think he's going to be very worse like a plus NFL starter. And I think he might end up kind of being more of a big slot receiver. But it'll be really interesting to see how his is career trajectory. He's a lot younger than Bennett came Butler. I believe as well. But yeah, I mean, real real solid prospect, Josh Norris, and I actually did a podcast on five or six Pacific receivers. You can check that out on rodeo world football for the next pick. I'm gonna go with Josh Jacobs. Decay Metcalf now starting to fall little bit. But for Josh Jacobs. I think it's a trust the Tate situation. I think he's a really good player. And you could see that when he is. When you watch him play. He did not have a lot of production. You know last year at had one hundred twenty carries, and he he is not tested. Great at his pro day this off season. But again, I'm trusting my is here, I'm trusting like Daniel, Jeremiah has him as the number eight overall player in the draft. I think he's the running back into straffed. Maybe the only running back who has a chance to be a first round actual NFL pick. And if we see a team invest top thirty two top forty draft capital in adjust Jacobs that's going to bode well for his NFL career. And he just his chances of getting a lot of opportunities and so much of this especially in fantasy is about to sheer opportunity. Jacobsen's is obviously an interesting case as he was a backup throughout his career. I've kinda compared him not not necessarily as play style. But just his his dynasty value and fantasy football value to what we saw last year from Sony Michelle who who was essentially kind of the one b for Georgia throughout his college career. He had a great light run there at the end of. Last season. And then he ends up as a as a first round pick to the patriots. I think we could see the same thing with Jacobs. Like you said. Would be one point oh five I'm going to take decay Metcalf. And and this is another just just really interesting case. Of course, we we've all seen the pictures of him in the weight room and just blown away by that he came out and and dominated the combine, especially when it comes to that forty time think he ran a four three three we were all wild by that, especially for a guy his size six three to twenty eight. And then the weird thing that happened with him though, from a fantasy perspective is in these mock drafts his value actually dropped in February. He was the number one player of the board the number one rookie we all wanted. And since that combine he's falling. So now, he's he's three overall now in our ADP, and maybe that's related to those those agility drills. I'm not really sure what it is. Honestly, but fantasy owners are at least a little scared of Metcalf at the top of the draft. I think here at the. Five spot. That's where you're willing to take a chance on his upside. No question. I think he's a no brainer at number five. And even as someone who has a little bit of skepticism about him myself. I mean, I think that he is I think that he is more of like a complimentary number two receiver as opposed to, you know, a big volume number one receiver, and you know, what we want and fantasy is the big volume number one receiver. And I think I don't think it's out of the question that he could become that. But I think did just from watching him play at ole miss seeing how he was deployed along with the other receivers there. They had another dude who's going to get drafted late DeMarcus lodge. They have a. Tight end that people are talking about maybe being a second picky at no Ciro touchdowns in his college career Dawson Knox. And I think he had like fifty three catches or something. Maybe not even like forty three catches something like that. But they've got a bunch of dudes that are going to get drafted. And you can see how the how they were all deployed. And I think that you know for Dickey Metcalf. He he stuck to one side. You did not see him moving into the slot as much you did not see him running a wide variety of route. So. You know, I just I don't know if that's in his toolbox to become a guy that is the focal point of a passing attack. Whereas I think AJ Brown showed in that same offense that he was capable of that number six miles Sanders now Greg Cosell, I know has him as he's number two running back in the draft. Greg Gabriel has mile Sanders as is number one running back in the draft. I watched them before the draft. I thought he reminded me of devante Freeman before the draft you go I'm sorry for the combine. And then so he goes to the combine hit a really good. Combine now Ryan I know that you have some interesting thoughts on mile Sanders. Yeah. This this is a guy who is just blowing up the past three months when when we see nothing when it comes to football other than the combine. And he did have as you mentioned. He had a good combine. But I don't think that's all it is his dynasty ADP has rookie ADP went from nineteen overall to six overall. So this is a guy who's gained a full round of value. And when you're talking about a rookie draft. I mean, that's a huge jump in these in these off season months, and I think what it is a it's probably a little bit of echo chamber fantasy players reading some of the analysis that you're talking about where where people are ranking him as the Rb one the Rb tune in the class that I also think part of it is. General fantasy players, you know, guys like yourself who maybe don't focus so much on the on the college football season. This is not a guy who was at the front of our minds because he played behind saquon Barkley for two years. He finally gets his chance when when Barkley goes to the NFL this year and him dominant college season. So I think essentially this is a guy that most people were just not aware of he was. He was a top three recruit in his in his class. I mean, he he this guy has an really so. And I'm I'm one who was also kind of late to the party on him. I saw him nineteenth overall. As I mentioned in our February ADP actually thought that was too high. I kind of questioned some people even take him that. Hi, evan. I told you this the other day, it's kind of funny to look back on it. Now you've and even a couple of months ago. Elisa Holyfield was actually being drafted ahead of him in these dress. In Asia Holyfield who what's the combine around like four seven five or something? Yeah. Pretty crazy. Let's see with the seventh pick I'm gonna stick. It running back. I'm gonna take the third running back off the board. And I see a little bit of a teardrop after this player to the next group. So I'm going to say, David Montgomery, the Iowa State running back. Rip really physical runner breaks tackles, I believe he was. He was number one in. Broken tackle metric, maybe even two years in a row. I'll have to check that. But he's a solid receiver for him. Long. Speed is the concern. But again, you're getting the sky in the middle of the first round in rookie drafts. Probably going to be an early second rounder. Feels feels like a pretty good value. Yeah. I like to play a lot. The thing is that he gets caught from behind little literally every single time that he gets into the open field. I mean, he never ever finishes off like a house Cole road. I mean, I think he had pain wing side some stats army at like zero touchdowns from outside the red zone. You know? So he's, but I think he's a good football player. I really do. I think he I mean people have maybe drawn comparison to Kareem hunt. And I think that could be you see Kareem hunt like finish those runs though. And you never see David Montgomery. It's giving me very interesting to see just wear. He goes in the draft. I think that he could be a day three pick. Like, I think he could fall into the fourth pound. I think he's going to go in the third or fourth round in the draft. But. That will be very interesting to monitor. All right. So yet numbers were through seven. I agree that there is a seems like there's a teardrop here. I'm gonna go with TJ Hawkins sin. I think that he's an absolute stud. I think that he is going to be a big time producer. I think he's just not going to come off the field in the NFL. And I'm with it for anybody. Who's getting Travis Kelsey comparisons? I saw a little bit of that myself when I watched him play in. I just think he's a rock-solid prospect John Mackey award winner. You know, just I think he's going to jump right in and be a full-time player from day one, which you don't see a whole lot from rookie tides. It's interesting in ADP data Hodgkinson's teammate Noah fan too. I'm sure we'll come off the board very sued. He's consistently being drafted ahead of Hopkinson. So at this point fancy seems to be the fantasy favourite everything we look at when it comes to mock draft from from those folks we trust says Hopkinson will be the first the first tight end off the board. I'm not sure you can go wrong with either of those guys to be honest. I think the the thing that fantasy owners face dynasty, owner space is do I want to spend a first round pick on a tight end at all. Because we know that reputation that it takes two or three years for them to really contribute. I think that's kind of being broken a little bit with what we've seen the past couple of years with Evan Ingraham, especially but just just a really solid underrated tiding class from two thousand eighteen even guys like, Ian, Thomas and Chris Herndon. Gave us some solid production. So. I like I like both of those titans here at this point in the first round. I'm not gonna take Fant maybe he'll grab him soon. With the eighth Bickham. Take Kelvin Harmon the NC state wide receiver. This is a guy that through really throughout the college football season. Even back in in February he was being viewed as a top three dynasty pick. And now in our ADP eighth overall. So he's he's lost five spots struggled at the combine did not. Wasn't able to really set himself apart from from that deep wide receiver group, and then also John More fantasy analysts formerly of a road of this dug up some old tweets and actually found out that Harmon is a year older than we all thought. So that may that may sound like a nothing to some. But from dynasty perspective. That's kind of a big deal it affects his breakout age things like that. So Harmon has a player. That's that's honestly, losing value as we head into the NFL draft. But at nine overall, I still think he's he offers an upside. So I'm going to take a next Damian Harris the other part of that Alabama committee backfield just a rock-solid prospect. I think and it's gonna come down to landing spot. I know that JJ Zacharia San has talked a lot about this. How Justice running back class? It's not. It's not super flashy. And it's not, you know, there's no real star star power up top, and it's going to be landing spot dependent. Hey, if they mean, Harris like goes to the buccaneers. I mean, Ryan where do you think the Damian Herr let's say he goes to the buccaneers and the buccaneers MC no other additions running back, and they take Damian Harris. Let's say. Early third round. Where do you think that he would be drafted in dynasty rookie drafts? After that. The spot. You took him at ten is is about where he's going ADP right now has amid eleven overall he would he would easily shoot up at least half around. He's he's into the bottom end of that top five four or five six somewhere in that range agree, and they're it's been said by others. We've already kind of alluded to it. I can't remember a rookie class that was more landing spot dependent than this one especially when it comes to the running backs, but the wide receivers as well because you look at some of these some of these landing spots the bills are going to take wide receiver early. The ravens are going to take a wide receiver early in. Both of those are a little scary when it comes to. Your fantasy receivers playing for those teams. At eleven overall. I'm going to take one of my personal favorites. This is actually a pretty big reach according to my data, but I'm going to take JJ Sega Whiteside. He's nineteen overall. He's dropped quite a bit since the combine because he didn't work out. I think he may be dealing with a minor knee issue. This guy's going to score a ton of touchdowns high points the ball create space with his body. He's not necessarily an elite athlete. He's he's not going to run a four three forty or anything like that. But he dominated at Stanford. In fact, is dominated rating was forty two point seven. Combining his his receiving production bills touchdowns in yards. So to get this kind of touchdown score late in the first round L of it. Absolutely. I'm going to take marquee Brown to close out the first round actually should've taken him way earlier because I think he's like a top five receiver. No problem in this class. But I was able to slow play still get them at the end of the first round, man. I I'm really skeptical of guys that you know, I just see on paper always one hundred and sixty six pounds. And then I watched him play. And I was like I'm not skeptical. Like murky Brown is awesome. And he's like a combination of tyreek hill and T Y Hilton. And I hope that that she take him not only is insurance against Iraq hill, but to to shore up that third receiver spot that was kind of a problem for them last year. I mean, they were out here trying to get Kelvin Benjamin know, which did not work. And you know, I think that he would be such an. Awesome fit with Patrick Mahomes. And I understand that they have problems on defense. I'm really well aware, but they can also score like fifty points a game, and I want I want to see them score fifty points a game. So murky Brown. I think he's an awesome awesome player in. I think he's going to be electrifying in the NFL. Do you think he's a little team dependent as well though? I mean is he gonna win situation? I mean, you don't want the bills taken of that's for. Yeah. All right. I'm gonna kick off the second round here. Going back to the running back position as we said, we've got some questions there. But it's hard to deny the production of this gunman. I take Daryl Henderson the Memphis running back. He averaged nine yards every time. He touched the ball out of the backfield in Memphis. That's that's hard to hard to ignore came out in the combine ran a four four nine forty. Little bit undersized to late. But again when you're talking second round, and this guy, I don't quite believe this but Henderson's actually drawn a little bit of first round NFL draft bus. I don't quite see that. But I think he's certainly a second rounder and same story he needs to he needs an ideal landing spot, but pretty much all these running backs do. I'm going to take color Murray next Cuyler Murray. And this is you know, we're we're kinda doing a mock of a one quarterback league. But I think that with his dual threat ability, and I think he's I think he's he's got a good probability of becoming a long-term NFL starter and putting him in that spread with cliff Kingsbury and Christian kurkin, Larry FitzGerald, David Johnson. And you know, they're going to have during a need a little bit more talent. But I mean, they've got a decent little foundation there. They went hard to try to upgrade their offensive line in the off season. I think that. Color Murray, just going to give them a whole different dimension offensively. And I think it could be really really fun and really good in fantasy to the point where you know. Maybe we're using color Murray and DFS is a rookie at times based on his price. But. I'm gonna go with him that dual threat ability. So so big I think you'll be able to have he'll be able to add like five points per game just on just with his legs to his fantasy point totals. And then I think he's he's a legit NFL caliber passer, and I'm excited to see him work in the spread offense in the NFL. Dynasty drafts and dynasty rookie drafts. Typically, we just ignore that quarterback position until we get around three. But I think where you're taking color Murray is pretty much spot on maybe you get him a little bit later in the second. But this guy's going in the second round of rookie dress, and maybe even late in the first round than some think he's going to benefit from what we sell from Baker Mayfield last year. And and they're not exactly the same type of players. But there were there were questions about Mayfield coming in and size was was one of those questions, and then he comes out and basically just rips the league apart and the hype that he has going into his second season. I think is actually going to help Murray from fantasy value perspective. And. Where are we know? Ryan. Where at fifteen overall. Let's do it looks to replicate rapid fire for the rest for the rest. Now that we know we got Murray. I I like that pick by the way, I've got Kyla Murray out of the way, we'll do rapid fire. All right. Two point three fifteen overall. I'm going to take no fan the other tied in. I think once one of these guys come comes off the board and rookie dress. It's going to be it's going to be the signals for the next guy to be drafted so fan fifteen. I'm real Andy is Sabella. I I think he should be used as an outside receiver in the NFL really comparison to Brandin cooks. He's not as good of a slot receiver. I didn't think but I think he might get typecast as that by some teams. I think he's an outside receiver. I'd love to see him land on the patriots. Of course. Patriots. Definitely the best match for him. It seems seventeen. I'm going Justice hill change of pace back from Oklahoma state. Really liking what what I've seen from him. And I think he's he's moving up the boards rent four four forty and I've seen some comparisons to Reggie Bush. So I like that. My ills boykin. My buddy Josh Norris has compared him to Martavis Bryant. I thought I thought that when when I saw him play a little bit more little bit more along the lines of like the Devin funchess Vincent Jackson spectrum somewhere in there in terms of like floor and ceiling, but you know, I I mean, he he was an unbelievable athlete at the combine. And I think that when you watch him play better route runner than you expect and just wasn't featured enough in that Notre Dame offense. Nineteen over all I'm going to take deebo Samuel. Just kind of do it all wide receiver doesn't have the size. He's five eleven to fourteen. But he's a thick guy can really make plays after the catch and also helps in the return game. He went to the senior bowl where most of these players were not because they're underclassmen. He went to the senior bowl and just dominated. So. I'll grab deebo Samuel here. I'll go with Rodney Anderson. I actually have not seen this guy. Play yet. He's one of the the the next guys that I'm going to look at. But from what I've heard from him or of of him in about him and just listened to like Greg Cosell talk about him. I think he's a starter. If he can stay healthy was banged up a ton in college. But might be steel here in the in the mid to late second round just based on town alone. All right. Twenty one overall. I'm going to grab the the last guy that I think might be a first rounder from from these wide receivers and running backs I'll take fares Campbell the Ohio State wide receiver. I've still got some questions about him. I know a lot of a lot of people are sold on him. He's certainly got elite speed and athleticism not a ton of production, though. And and really most of that production came close to line of scrimmage. I want to see how he works out in the NFL. But a lot of upside. All right. Let's go with. Let's go with divine zig. Bo. You know, I didn't love him just watching him run. But man, he's got really good athletic measurable. He can catch the ball. And every time they do. He's huge. So every time he falls forward. He's gaining a couple of yards. I don't think that he's going to be a big time yards per carry running back. But I do think if he gets into the right situation he might be an every down back who gets like seventeen to twenty two touches per game. And that that in and of itself could be very valuable. I think he's like a very Richmond's Peyton barber. I like that. That's that's probably a little earlier than you need to take him in in dynasty rookie draft. But at this point, you just gotta get your guy Twenty-three overall. I think this is my last pick. We talk about the tight end position with Hopkinson. And Fant I think there's three guys in their groups. I'm going to grab the third Irv. Smith junior tight end from Alabama. One of the youngest skill position players in the draft. He's still only twenty years old complete tight end can make the big play can block. And of course, he's he's drawing comparisons to another former Alabama guy OJ Howard. All right. I'm gonna finish it up with Jay stern burgers Dwayne Haskins. By the way, does not go in either. In our first two rounds? I'm gonna go with Jay stern burger though. And I just I think he's a really good player. You know, coming out of Texas am for me. I think he's the number three tight end in this draft. Or at least he's neck and neck with Irv Smith behind the to Iowa guys. But I think he's going to be a catch. I pass catching tight end in the NFL another Greg Cosell has him as the number two tight end in the draft behind Hopkinson ahead of Noah Fant, and I like to hear that. And I think that if he goes to the right spot. I think that he can be fifty catch guy in your one. And maybe eventually seventy catch guy in the NFL. Love it. I love when Greg Cosell gets mentioned he will be on tomorrow's Ross Tucker football podcast breaking down the D line. And he had some interesting things to say about Quinton Williams as well as guys like Brian burned or thought it was really interesting. Ryan thoroughly enjoyed it. I guess my only question is if you're a teacher who's watching your third grade kids right now. That's a good question. What we're actually on spring break. We are. We're down in Hilton Head, South Carolina. Oh nice. Okay. I was thinking, dude. I would totally be like the third grade teacher. I beg dudes. I gotta do a podcast. I put a movie on. Here's Tom going. It's awesome. You'll learn everything you need to know about what to say the girls, I gotta do this podcast with evident Ross. I'll be right back. May maybe next time. Hey, check him out on Twitter at Ryan Mack Twenty-three. Ryan MC Twenty-three in certainly check out his podcast with my guy. Matt Williamson I'll actually be on Williamson's podcast another Matt Williams in podcast locked on podcast tomorrow. So a lot of intermingling here really enjoyed it. Thanks so much Ryan. Thanks, man. Appreciate it. Good work is always Evan. Love. It. Also love the fact that we still have three college basketball games to go. It is final four weekend. Everybody get excited. There's no more af to bet on. So you gotta bet on the final four, and you gotta do it at Beto online dot AG using that awesome, promo code podcast one. If you haven't already that you get that fifty percent, welcome bonus. That's the key free money. No, I didn't win the bracket challenge. My brackets all busted up like a lot of people. I think I had Duke and UNC in the championship game didn't happen. Really? No, blue bloods, other than I guess if you count Michigan state, but it will make it more interesting. You know, I mean, you got three teams I'm in the final four in forever. I think it's awesome. 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05/06: Bold Predictions and a Mailbag! (Fantasy Football Podcast)

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05/06: Bold Predictions and a Mailbag! (Fantasy Football Podcast)

"Fantasy football today from CBS sports. Email us at fantasy football CBS. I dot com. It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Here's some company Dany seven to another offseason. Addition of the fantasy football today podcast. Yeah, we're twice a week. Now pretty soon will be up to three times a week four times a week five times a week so get excited. So we really done a thorough job recapping the NFL draft. Now, he want to hear from you today is a mail bag show your emails if fantasy football at CBS, I dot com. I that amaze her Dave richer Jimmy iceberg. Heath cummings. What is up? This is the best start to podcast better than the start that we just recorded though. It is better. Yeah, we start. We did about a minute of show. And then realize that something was off. I had to start over. This is a much better start. Yeah. I'm on cloud nine we're in the middle of our rookie only draft. And I've I've made moves that have. Som enemy as league champion for the next seven years. Okay. I'm sure there's going to be a little controversy about that. And we are going to talk about that draft Dave and heath made a trade in their dynasty draft. That's going on right now. And we want to discuss it. I've separated the emails into four different categories. One is just like normal questions generic questions to keep her leagues. Three dynasty leagues. Four fantasy regulators. We will get to all four of those categories. I did want to start with something bold, bold predictions from you people just you know, it's a little fun. It's may seventh. What is something bold? You would like to bring to the table heath? Why don't we start with you? Kenyan Drake will be top twelve running back and PR. Are you kidding? Is that really it? Yeah. Did you read my prediction? Sammy Watkins will be top five wide receiver this season. That's pretty bolt. That's pretty good. So you're drafting Sammy Watkins over. Well, you don't have to draft in there. It'd be silly to draft him in the second round old prediction in I'm going to drought. Sammy Watkins in the fourth round. Okay. Think is actually bullish. I'm going to draft him ahead of Brandin cooks. That's okay. All right. All right. All right. So so what if you know, what is that based on how many games suspension is that they thought or how many? How many games has tyreek hill play for the chiefs in your mind? Right now. Yeah, zero okay. All right. I'll talk about the dolphins running backs. Mine was a Miami running back. We'll be awesome. Do you think one could be? APR that novel, Jamie. I mean name one. I don't know. I mean, Miami running back, you gotta Burke remorse. Yeah. It's not gonna be gore. Boris, you gotta think it'd be Drake Williams. I like I would watch. Yeah. I'm gonna make sense that it would be Kenyan Drake. He's good. He's good new coaching staff. Give him the ball. Let's hope he doesn't fumble four fumbles on two hundred eighty six career carries kind of a lot. But obviously when when Kenyan Drake, it's work. He is good and he caught fifty three passes last year. So we know he can do that. Meanwhile them if someone stopped listening to us in twenty sixteen in started listening to it as right now, they would just think well, you still Kenyan Drake. Oh, I did. Love Kenyan Drake what they drafted him. So you're going back to the well now, you can't stay away if somebody stop playing fantasy football they hated the NFL draft in two thousand sixteen and turned off our shows after reviewing the NFL draft when you're in love with Kenyan Drake and just picked out right now. Nothing's changed. That would be a strange podcast listener. Welcome back to you, sir. Or lady, did you know that Kaelin Balaj one scored eight touchdowns in a game in college. Yes. Do you know who who given that have? I do you know who he faced in that game. The quarterback he faced. Well, he didn't face home. Right back Patrick Mahomes. Yeah. Okay. No wonder scored eight touchdowns if the quarterback was the defense. Well, it was a shootout. Just a fun for no four. Okay. Said my piece Kenyan Drake good. Do. You think? Do you think Kenyan Drake will get fifteen carries a game? No. Right right about there. Thirteen to fifty Jamie. What's her bowl prediction? One the king. Are you kidding me? Right now, you can't do that. I think I have to I have to believe that you cannot say thing anything about game of thrones without saying spoiler because people might be on season four you cannot say anything was it's not a it's a bowl. Ordination? It's not something. That's happening. You're not announcing something that, you know, for sure hundred happen. I went on a limb. Yeah. But what he said which bleeps bleeps, which what he said actually kind of might happen. You can't spoil it for me. Jaime. Despoil prediction. I didn't know it is both. But that was that was really poor manner. We don't have to watch the series heath. Dave, why don't you give us a football predation? We'll come back and Jamie will give us one after. No, I won't come on. Well, done TJ Hopkinson Noah fan, rookie tight ends. Are both top ten fantasy tight ends right now for this season for this season. They will finish his top ten. That's so I'm ready. We'll drop them. Stop tend to. I'm writing a story about tight ends for our magazine. Do you know how many times in the last five years, a rookie tight end his finished without them? I'm going to say once once I'm gonna say once ever going to happen twice this year. And I want to drop these guys just to have on my team extremist want to cut, and I might cut by we too. But what difference? Does it make picking between them and awesome Hooper and Jordan Reed and Chris earned in all these other guys that are just gonna? Okay, great. So what's the argument for the other guys? Oh, they've been around longer. So they must be thought. It's been a thought he has. But I Jordan Reed idle. I'm going with the rookies, I'm going with the fresh blood. I'm going with the first round tight ends. And and I think that they'll be good enough to get you off to a good start in your fantasy league. Yeah. I mean, also Hooper was a top ten tight end last year. Does anybody really think oh does anybody want that though? I don't mind having Austin who Hooper fantasy me I really don't mind doing it around and seasonal leaks to be honest with you this because rookie tight ends tend to struggle and Detroit's given us an example that already. But at least like I rather take my chances with the falcons offense. If I'm just looking for a consistent production. Oh my gosh. He your chair. I can't I can't there's nothing. I mean, I'm like, yeah. Literally an for the rest of. Force it crisscross applesauce how much moving right now. Dave right now, you're not. Now, you're kind of like swiveling around. And now you're leaning back in the chair is screaming for mercy. And this is what my chairs like at the office here. I'm gonna sit just like this and not use the back support on the chair for the rest of the podcast. Okay. By the way, I'm trying to do this sort of impromptu. A how are you sitting just stay at straight up? That's not gonna be that's not gonna get old free. It's excellent posture seven eight I'm trying to thousand shares in this off. Once you go get a different chair, it appears that last year that number ten tied NPR was Vance McDonald. He scored one hundred thirty three fantasy points three four five six seven eight nine ten that is the fewest in at least five years for number ten tight end. So last year was a really bad year for titans. All right. Jamie D have abo- prediction or should. We just get to some some emails. Some trade will return. Oh my gosh. Another bleep. All right. So so let's talk about let's talk about the trade that he and Dave made in their dynasty league. 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Awesome stuff some fantasy content on their it's ninety nine a month. The first month you can get for one dollar with the promo code huddle. Huddle is the promo code on sportsline dot com. So what was the trade guys? Let's talk about the league a little bit. Oh. I can do it too. Okay. I mean, there's back story here that I think is important. Well, then you should have started telling it winning asked to tell them about the. I mean, do you want to just get right to the nuts and bolts of this or do you wanna hear the backstory, Adam they're a little bit about the league? And then this is the backstory is the white walkers. They, hey. This is a fourteen team eater dynasty league. Where you start sixteen players, including seven ID P three wide receivers to offense of flexes and Dave renamed his team before the draft because he was so unhappy with the state of his team. I went for win. Now. I went for the win. Now. Sure edgy when we drafted any years ago, you almost I almost yet. I hear and then second year I'd love I'm bell. I'd cream hunt. I had nothing at wide receiver. I was a mess. And so I went into the strap I pulled off one trade during the season I traded Jimmy Graham and a second round pick to get somebody's first round pick. It was a contending team. So I came into the strapped with two first round picks fourth overall and twelfth overall, but I really hate my team. And I I really think maybe I have the best team I've ever put together in any sport. And it didn't make the playoffs last year, which is awesome. The sixth pick and Dave was shocked to see David Montgomery fall to him with the fourth pick. Right. Took Montgomery when he had planned on taking Paris Campbell and two picks later. It was my turn. And Dave came to me looking to trade backup to get Paris Campbell. So I did the thing you should do when you're in the situation and announced that I was willing to trade down. And then tried to get Jamie to make an offer his will. So that Dave would couldn't just deal with it from, you know, so I offered my first and second for your first and third and you said I don't want to move down six bucks in the first round and move up seven spots in the second round. Now trade like that might work if we're talking about late round picks in a rookie only draft. But when we're talking about these valuable picks in the first round, I get where you're coming fresh. So then I I went to all right? How about my first my second. For your first in your fourth. And I even added like a bunch of question marks to act like it was ludicrous to even suggest such a thing. When I knew that I would take that deal. Pause. And then he just went ahead and made the made the offer that was pretty much the only thing on the table for me to take. I wanted Paris Campbell. What pick was your second round. Pick your first pick was twelve right? I actually maneuvered to take the second last pick in the second round. Because I didn't have a second round pick when the draft started. All right. But there was a team in the league Makoko. It was picked twenty-seven offering picks twelve and twenty-seven right for six fifty five and getting accepted, I countered with I in David accepted. I received pic twelve pic twenty-seven and marquees Lee Dave received pick six pick fifty five and pick seventy six so you didn't really need. You didn't really want Marquis sleep. I did I Dave I met you know, I haven't crappy receivers on my team. Okay. All right. And then you put it my my receivers were so bad. That marquees Lee was in my starting line like Quincy noone was in my start Markey's Lee could be good. He sure could. So that's why go because I had to have Paris camp. Okay. And I tried moving up. I knew he wasn't gonna take purse Campbell. But I didn't know if anybody seven through eleven tapers. I'm almost positive Jamie would've if he was there in eleven so I had to move up to get him in the only team that I could trade with that was interested was heats and it worked out well for me because Kim Butler is my number five player overall. And he was available for me at twelve and you would have taken him at six at there was I would have taken care Metcalf. Okay. All right. But wouldn't have been Campbell? You would've gotten a guy that you light? And so my my rebuild is it's going to be a little thin this year. But it's with two of my top four players and dynasty drives. Which is David Montgomery in Paris Campbell, right? Right. So Jamie, who do you think won the trade? I think it's even you know because they've got the player that he wanted. He had to give up a little bit together. I think marquees Lee is good because I grew with could be good. So if he comes back a hundred percent in steps in as number one receiver in what should be a better passing game than he wins, the trade. But I don't think it's much. You know, I think you look at the heath got what he wanted. So it works out great on his regard. But again, I think Paris Campbell is the best player that was, you know, ended up coming out of the street and just for the record what really cost me like true costs because I made a lot of moves to get the pics to shovel in the heat slap to get scandal. It cost me Jimmy Graham, Markey's Lee my second round pick in my third round pick. And as we seen in this league, you know in it certainly happens in most dynasty leagues. Whatever that ends up. Like, you took Devon white. Right. So Devon white. If he's the the star ADP player that he can be than that sways the trade in your favor, even more. I did run a Twitter poll not tell people who made the trade or anything. But just with those assets before any players were picked, and it came out almost I got fifty one percent of the vote. Dave got forty nine percent. Who did you take twelfth? Keen butler? Okay. Yeah. I mean, that's I think the risky thing is that there's no we don't know that Paris Campbell was going to be six picks better than Akeem Butler. That's kind of I would rather have keen Butler the Paris Campbell personally have Campbell. It's just that's why I think it makes sense at that point in the draft to trade back. Absolutely. If there's somebody that you're not in love with that. That's and I think you're gonna see a lot of dynasty drafts. Not just trading picks. But trading picks for veterans because there are people like in Dave's position that need to you know, stockpile draft picks and turn the roster over not necessarily in a one year situation, but over a couple of seasons while contending teams that are picking like he's case, you know, he has a very good team. But he didn't make the playoffs. So he's in a great spot because he can still have great roster, and maybe into some veterans not necessarily marquee, you hope a little bit better. But that's the type of movie try to make is to try and. Get some guys that are a little bit more proven or older guys. I mean, I think that's on that goes over lifting loud and icy leagues. Like if your team's ready to win. Now. Go get somebody who's got one or two years left on their maybe their NFL career. You know, like last year, you know, you you would this year, for example, you know, if you can get. Not the best example bumps the guys that are in contract years or end of their careers, Jimmy Graham, fy still the guy in Green Bay car. Rudolph still the guy in Minnesota to Sean Jackson and Philadelphia guys that don't necessarily have a long tenure left, but can be somewhat productive. And you don't have to give up a lot of capital yet. Could you go even bigger than that? With guys like old Tate. Guys been around the NFL for six seventy years me. I was giving crappy example, but saw McCoy, you know, if you need a third running back and forth running back, you know, those type of guys that aren't necessarily going to help your team two years from now. But if you need somebody to death, like David I discussed the trade that I thought would have been good for both of us which was Carlos Hyde for Michael gal. You know, you didn't you answer me? So I pulled a trade off able especially once because I've tyreek hill. So I lost him. So Michael out two years from now, which is what I'm thinking of him is if Amari Cooper leaves and gallop is the number one receiver for for Dallas, he could have significant value. Whereas Carlos Hyde may be the best running back in Kansas City, this huge if there, but if he gets for I was looking at can I get somebody for four or five games because my running back depth after my two starters, Christian McCaffrey. Mark Ingram is very thin. So I was looking at okay. Can I flip my essentially seventh receiver for what could be maybe my third running back? That was how I was approaching it because I don't expect Carlo side two years from now to be very good. Unless of course, he just blows away. Andy Reed and plays. Really? Well, this Kitson. All right. I can already see where this show is going. I was a fun segment. But I I know it's going to be like, well, we got to like six emails, and I didn't have enough time for the rest of later. I'm not gonna let that happen. Let's get some emails right now. And some tweets Email the day number one is from Nihal from Providence Rhode Island dark. Knight rises is more of a. A football movie than Jerry. Maguire is if you're running short on time in launch this. This is a funny Email, and it is perfectly. All right. Tweet of the day is from Joey you believe that as well. No, I think Jerry Maguire slightly more of a football movie the dark Knight rises. That's very funny. Somebody you're Jerry Maguire football movie. Do your bane impersonation before the end of this podcast. I'll try it's nothing white. Does a great Michael Caine? He actually does we can just recreate scenes from the dark. Knight rises. Okay. Okay. Joey says Joe patchy right now, where do you think the best spot to pick in twelve team PR draft? This year is. Four. Why because you're guaranteed one of the top four running backs annual pick ahead of everybody else. Who's taking one of those top for running backs in the even rounds? Yeah. I was gonna say maybe five because I put Melvin Gordon there. But sure if you think Melvin Gordon is on par with them. And he's close then you could say five, what do you guys think? Jamie. Heath best puts picking PR. I don't care. Oh, come on. I'm yeah. Seriously. I think you find like, we are our magazine jobs. I twelve I have no problem with that, you know, taking receivers like I did. But if you could pick your spot. Dude, you even think about that. Now, you might think about that. In august. I'm gonna go nine Noreen. Why nine tonight's number? I mean, I think that Dave. I I understand why people point is is great getting one of the top guys. I just never look at it that that's just my personal opinion. I I don't care you told me picking seventh. I'll find ways to make it successful picking. I thought I'll be fine with one of those stud running backs, and then you go get a hoagie. And then you come back around to one of those tight ends will be there than you go and you get a drink from the fridge and then around three take the best available receiver, you're on your way. Well, so so that's the thing. Right. So let's say you have a top four pick. You could you really have to ask yourself. How much you like AJ green and Keenan Allen because those guys are falling to the third round. So if you have the third pick you start with Zeke Elliott or Alvin Kamara Christian, McCaffrey, whatever we'd probably not gonna get sake wanted three. But one of those guys second round is a great spot for Travis Kelsey. And then either that's killer. Yeah. Okay. I think I think we just did a PR draft. An and I took Kelsey seventeen their seventeenth. Okay, fine. So is kid alerts worth picking the second round or or do you go receiver there and take it alerts the third round? I think you're risking it by leaving killers to be there around three. I think they've earned it at this point to be top twenty four died. The only thing would be is if you're not inclined to take a tight end, you're probably if they do go in the first twenty four by round three the receivers Adam socking about her there for you. Which is also amazing. And like, I know I'm always the I'm not gonna make a plan before him. But there are a lot of drafts where either Nick chub or Delvin cook full to the mid to late second round. So like one of those guys might be there. One of the one of the top six receivers might be. And then you have their early round three where you're maybe looking at for net, which is great value to what do you as take t y Hilton same same brain ended to beginning. Yep. Third at prefer third. But that's you know, again, if you're passing on the tight ends he's gonna go in sicker. Okay. And. Let's go to j J M from a beautiful city where a military tank was stolen almost twenty five years ago. San diego. Okay. Dear Todd, Dak Alvin saquon. Football players the last four offer cheese of the rookies of the right as a Commissioner for a longtime family and friends league as well as many as well as my work lead going on five years strong. I've been trying to keep the league's fun and fresh by changing at least one thing about the league every year. I've had this idea for years. Now, I've never heard any talk about it. So as many of us can agree. The actual draft is half the fun. Right. Well to make things more interesting. I had this idea for a midseason keeper redraft league you play half the regular season. And then all managers get to keep any three players all other players become free agents back to the pool. And last place gets the first pick. I love to hear your thoughts on this twist to a league best podcasts out there. Thank you guys. Thank you very much J from San Diego so play half the season keep three players redraft in reverse order of the standings. I don't I love all these different things that you can do. I think it's a fun idea. I don't think I'd particularly want to more than once. I would try it. Yeah. It's an experimental league. It's kind of like the ghostly to write in a way. Dombi limb or something. Vampire early enough with ghost, Jamie. Gosh, all about goes today. Yeah. I think it's fun. I think it's cool. I would I would do one league like that. Sure. Chow from the trunk of a nineteen sixty nine Mercedes to eighty s e. Is that a reference that? Oh, get. Yes. What is it hangover, Leslie Chow? Okay. Hey, Allen's do Philip Doug. Who are they? Every year. There's a player who gets drafted late or not at all that becomes a high draft pick the following year. George Kato Alvin Kamara Michael Thomas, David Johnson owed L Beckham which late round player or players this year. Have the talent to be a high draft pick in twenty twenty also curious to know what Alan stew, that's me. And Dave think about Miami's best pizza by university of Miami. Have you ever had Miami's best pizza? Dave had it. Once hated it. I'm a big cheese guy to where Alan in Stu apparently valley bus, Doug, and Phil. I forget, okay. Doug. I know is the is the guy the bachelor he will be fill out. I'll be the one that things on the Allen is Zack fanatics, right? Yes. Stew is. That Ed held helps. Okay. Okay. I'll be still so yeah, I've never had that pizza pictures all the way which late round players. Have the talent to be the next kiddle chimera, Michael, Thomas, etc. I'll go first and say that if things break for Devon single -tary he'll be somebody that we're drafting in the early rounds in twenty twenty. Yeah. I think you'll see a lot of rookies probably in this conversation. Just because they're not going to be drafted very high. Darwin. Thompson would be one for me. How about Daryl Henderson? All of it a little bit higher. I think but I think you're talking about guys that don't necessarily have jobs right now. And the receivers because the receivers are gonna go late like barriers Campbell miekel hardman could be two guys based on where they get drafted. They're not gonna be drafted in until doubled his around for most part of the sky came Butler could do zone put a let me put a caveat on it and say veterans only. No, I would say in your was the guy kit. Always the guy last year, Colin Sutton yet. Dejean Hamilton's go into. Yep. Okay. Kaelin balaj. I think the foreman as we just don't I I'm so leery. We don't we don't know if he has what he had before the injury. Yeah. This is obviously a gamble of a pick. But that'd be one Deontay format for me, courtroom Sutton. It's an it's possible. I've I'm going to draft some Bruce Anderson late, but I think you have if we're saying veterans only you have to say that Roy Jones the possibility ITO Smith be a possibility he's not late round guy. He's mid Royce Freeman. He could be that guy. Yeah. Sure. Filled things turned south for Philp Lindsey. All right, cool. Thanks for the question. Let's get some keeper in dynasty stuff. Now. This is James in New York is a dynasty question. Hey, Sam Mark and Ken who I know those. I think those are jets quarterbacks. Oh, yeah. Can you talk about how high you would take Cuyler Murray and a dynasty rookie draft in a two quarterback league? I mean, he went tenth in in this draft. Which is the one quarterback league. I'm about to do a dynasty Jaffer super flex league with Simpson. Same thing. He's going to be tough. I pick. Yeah. Reading the next sentence. Sounds like it's got has the fourth pick. And I don't think force to early for Cuyler. If you need a quarterback to quarterback league. This one is from who Kevin and Houston, dear Jo, Richard Chad. And Sam those also sound jetski to me. I'm sure there were jets with those names who's the Richard Richard Todd Chad Pennington, right Joe Nemeth Sam darnold. Yeah. Look at Richard Todd. Yeah. I did right. Yeah. He's a football player. Okay. Maybe he was it was I took over a dynasty team. And now I have the second pick in a rookie draft. The team has some holes. I need running backs and wide receivers. I have Kelsey at tight end. Tell me who are your top two picks. It is a one quarterback PR four point per passing touchdown leagues. So basically top two in this rookie draft should be who whom. I I'm going to go with Jacobson Montgomery. I don't see a receiver that is worth being put up that. I could argue Larry, but I would agree to running backs. Here's a keeper question from Jim in Philadelphia. I'm gonna keep really one season. We keep a player we drafted outside of the top four rounds. If the player we keep is projected as a round one to four pick in CBS mock drafts we give up a fourth round pick. If that pick is projected to go around five or later, we give up that round pick. My two options are Patrick Mahomes and Aaron Jones I've been set on keeping Mahomes this whole time if he loses tyreek hill though, would you still keep patch homes over Aaron Jones Jones me too same way. You keep keep Aaron Jones either way it's dependent on tire hill. Yes. It's dependent on. Right now, we're expecting tyreek hill the not play. But I think the hard thing about that is I don't know when your deadline is. But I I don't anticipate we're going to get a definitive answer in the next two months. Okay. This is from Nick in Santa Monica. Dear Roger, Ricky Frank and Carlos jets. This. What I don't know. These are forty Niners or anybody. Oh, yeah. Okay. Know that so listen later in the show, we have agreed ING that. I think is so funny now funny, it's not like laugh out loud funny. But it's like, oh, that's that's funny that I had to Google if anybody gets it. I will be extremely impressed. Don't look ahead and don't Google I was hoping in a future episode. If you would do a deep dive into auction league drafting and strategy this year is especially interesting considering the amount of talent available in the middle of the pack in. What would traditionally be the third round, for example, guys like age green and Keenan Allen we'll be generally cheaper than they would have been in previous years. So I'm curious about your perspective on auction drafting, and what each of you personally, feel is the best strategy. Yeah. I do think that the the middle of the draft feels better this year. I can remember last year at this time of year feeling we got like round four. Like who's were where all the good players at? But but I also think those top four running backs you're going to see probably a bidding war, and I do like this is the only time when everybody has a chance to get them. So I might be less likely to get involved in that bidding. Were they'll go for right about a third of the budget, and maybe more. Hey, guys one. I'm sure. So so you think you will pass on them? I think if you pass on them you've got far more capitalist spend on building of still a very strong team. So yeah, I think I would pass on them unless I can get them for say my budget's a hundred and get them for between twenty five thirty. And I feel like that's a good deal. Then I would take them there. Yeah. Been can't see that happening. I don't think so either you never know. I would. I spent thirty five on them out of a what what if they're the first name nominated in its that real early part of the auction where people just don't know what a guy should go for and you're kind of setting the market. Yeah. You could you might be able to land Camaro Zeke there for thirty. Yeah. I will give you an example two hundred sixty dollar budget our auction league for baseball. I Mike trout may have been the first one nominated and I got him for like fifty one. I think and he usually goes for like sixty. And then Mookie Betts went I think for fifty two. So yeah, I could see I could see that happening, but how I really want PR standard. You know, not p r maybe I won't get as involved, but in PR like I really want one of those guys are going to catch a ton of passes. And like I said, I would be willing to spend thirty five bucks out of a hundred on one of those top four running backs Barclay Zeke Kamera. Mccaffrey, you're spending how much thirty five. So would you would you spend thirty five or get three of Marlin MAC? Mark Ingram in like four comer team league. I would I would take the the three other other guys twelve or shallower I probably want one of those running backs. That's look I cannot tell you that. I would actually do that. If we were auctioning right now, this is the first time, I've really thought about it. But that is sort of where I'm at right now auctions are more fun than drafts. But to really nail it. You've gotta do some preparation before. I like using tears sorting my players based on my expectations for them. So the best running backs those top four guys throw Melvin Gordon there too. If you want there in the first year, and then you just you group together running backs and receivers at cetera by expectations, and then you'll keep track of where everybody's going in the auction. How much they're going for? You'll have a good sense of what you should spend from players with similar expectations. I said there's no if I did spend thirty five on one of those four running backs it would be difficult for me to get a top three tight end. And I am all about getting a top three tight end. Right. Those guys are going to go for. More than twenty percent of your budget. Yeah. Those guys I can't wait for our auctions to see what Kelsey Kittle inert sent of going for that's going to be different than it's not even gronk to gronk over twenty percent. Would you pay twenty for gronk around fifty nine? Right. So I I wonder if this is going to be new territory for auction drafters with these tight ends. Okay. Next Email is going to be a dynasty Email. It is from no-name Dave and city, please. David from Montgomery, Alabama. Hey, TJ Gilani will in Austin. She might be Detroit Lions picks. Those are lines rookies. Jilani? I'll I can't think of his last name linebacker by to buy. I don't I don't know. I don't know how to pronounce it, dude. I've been reading your fantasy outlooks for each of the players drafted this past weekend two weekends ago. But I'm confused. There are some players going around four and five that you like more than players going around two and three for example, AirAsia took Andy Isabella around too keen Butler around for both players. Love the same quarterback team around them. Why is a keen Butler a top fifteen rookie draft fantasy pick? But Isabelle is only a third round pick shouldn't Isabela be the better player on paper because he was drafted to rounds earlier. This Email was actually from Chris hours. Because he's been saying this to me for the last week and a half. How how much team invests in a player does have impact on how maybe up early opportunity? They get maybe how long the team is willing to stick with them. But we don't start looking at players the moment they're drafted and we do form opinions on players before the draft. And it's not uncommon for players that are drafted in the fourth round be better than players that are drafted in the second round. So of we've pro like keen Butler is an excellent excellent example. He was my number one rookie before the draft. I've dropped him down number five because he felt around for. But I just haven't drawn any further than that. You didn't drop them because he went to Jared Sonal their own added. All these other players you did it just because of where he went in the draft. Yes. Yeah. There's a good chance Butler doesn't start because they like Isabelle a lot, and you know, with FitzGerald in Kirkstall there. You may not see him Butler play very much as a rookie. So Isabel could be the better guy. Seasonal leaks? Baller based on. What is profiling should be better? Long-term? I definitely see the merit in this Email in your line of thinking, I think for running backs where they get drafted matters matters less than those wide receiver because with running back. It's so much about opportunity so much about the team around you more. So in my opinion than it is with with a wide receiver thought agreed disagree. Agree. But I mean, you know, it's still kinda the same thing. You know, you the Redskins have another situation to where I think you look at during. Mclaren Kelvin Harmon won't be surprised with harm better. Yeah. I've got I've got Harmon quite a bit higher than most people do know, and it, but your point Adam. Yeah, I think running back draft capital is certainly a little bit more important than receiver drop because there's like the forty Niners taking Jalen hurt. I don't think they're gonna play met receiver very much. They're not gonna play specifically received also with running back. I mean, there's such a playing time issue in so many situations. Like, you know, you might be sitting behind the atrium running back in round three like Dallas, for example, taking Weber after the fullback. Clearly Weber has a better chance to help. Yeah. Your off production. Why I guess that's about way for has a better chance to to be a featured player in their offense more so than to be fantasy relevance. No, I'm not saying relevance. But just like from Zeke gets hurt than up on the fullback there. Right. Right. Okay. Next. Question will be a keeper question from Glenn in Canada, two hundred dollar keeper league keep forever at these values. I need to pick one receiver Antonio Brown for twenty five bucks. Julio Jones for twenty seven is that a two hundred dollars Christian Kirk for a dollar DJ more for dollar day. Sean Hamilton for two dollars Geronimo Alison for two dollars. This is keep forever league. You got Brown and Julio for twenty five and twenty seven and then you've got real cheap Christian Kirk DJ more day, Sean Hamilton, Geronimo Allison. How many one one these more? Sure. Because I think you can get Julio Jones Ono wonder to Leo for mates Julio. Yeah. We'll yeah. Okay. Go with Julio. And I'll read another keeper question here. I need a name and city, please. Let's go with Brian from Paris, France. We why not Campbell from Paris France, while Brian's last name is Campbell. He's our on bat writer, and he's in Paris right now, we have to keep fifteen players. No, more, no less. I only have only have room for one or two of these wide receivers. Who should I keep who are your top two here? Guys, Zeh Jones Tehuantepec ler. Devante parker. David moore. Kenny stills or Damaris Thomas Zeh. Got a really hurt having to cut for these guys. Jones, stay wad Taylor. Devante parker. David moore. Kenny stills Damaris Thomas if the dolphins can't quit. Devante Parker, should you? He wouldn't be my pick is Kenny stills yet. If I had to pick two I'm might just take Parker along with stills Zeh Zeh Jones. I would go with. Still David Moore. I think more just given what's happened to Seattle's receiving core. I don't care what p Carroll says about the came at Guthrie. I think more than end up playing a lot just based on how they used them last year. And he could actually end up starting opposite side lock. Okay. So here's an Email from Brad. This is the greeting that I wanna see if you can get. Hey, Whitman price and Haddad her dad Wittman price had odd. Nineteen eighties Schwarzenegger movie. German. Now these. I'm running man. Yeah. These were the three winners of running man that was supposed to be like in Hawaii or something it turned out. They were dead. I thought this was really clever like very obscure reference, fourteen team half PR keeper that was funny. Right. Four point quarterback touched a four point for passage Sally next time. He says it does jokes before you make your chair move. I was really excited and impressed with Sony Michelle's postseason. But there are so many mouths to feed in the New England backfield should I trade Sony Michelle for the for basically Josh Jacobs for one oh one and one six in the rookie draft. Wow. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. You should definitely do that. All right. Here's a Richard Dawson was the best part of running man, by the way. He was awesome. I don't think I saw running highly recommend. Yeah. It's good. It's good. I like, you know, cinematic nasties I spoil the funniest joke in the movie for you. This is from day one. What about the time goes links knows face? And are fourteen. We we have a losers bracket where the last six teams play off for the right to draft their draft slot. Okay. Last six bottom. Six teams get the playoff for the right? The draft their drafts up a toilet bowl. If you win the loser's bracket, you get to pick the slot where you draft in the last hate these in the last ten years the owner with the number one pick has never won. So where would you in two thousand nineteen hundred fourteen league where would you guys pick? If you had the first pick in the draft for the draft. Similar question. What we answered earlier, but. But I'm gonna stick with fourth had fourteen team league. Yeah. Yeah. I would I would I think I'd wanna go later. Goes where for no even go wherever you want. I think I'd go nine. Nine is such nice number five this where I would I would put Melvin Gordon in that group. And I like four to five does make kind of a difference to me in in fourteen league. I guess it would really depend on. If I thought I could get Kelsey and round two. If I didn't then I guess it wouldn't matter. Thank you for the for the rocking chair. Welcome. Okay. Jamie doesn't care. Jamie says draft anywhere subject line from Jeff in Tennessee subject line is heath level humor. And in the Email says, I think it's ironic hilarious that you made a drinking game of peepers goes initials when his initials are PP. Made a drinking game out of his name initials. P he's gotta get the chair. Please. From Brian in Vancouver which quarterbacks make the biggest jump in a four point per passing touchdown league compared to six point. L'amour Josh Allen. Kyla murray? Yeah. Cam. Like jump in terms of their value higher. Right. Yeah. Because they're running more. I think we're able it basically just the guys who expect rushing touchdowns at or not a lot of passing touchdowns or both. Yes. Rushing yards rushing touchdowns. Whoa. Shawn. Shawn Watson will run while the rest. Quarterback in four points for passing. But but seriously the rushing yards. Do they matter because they count the same as they come. But they are a bigger percentage of the pie when the passing touchdowns or a smaller percentage. Okay. But a lot of the guys who rushed for a lot of yards. Don't throw for a lot of yards strew. It's he lamenting lot. Don't draft them. And we have a few minutes left here. This is Eric guys like rivers, you know, those those sure from Scott Warren, twelve man dynasty league PR trade scenario. Would you rather have Christian McCaffrey in a PR dynasty, the Christian McCaffrey? Or devante Adams and OJ Howard. Mccaffrey adams. That's a good question. It is Tom Brady says that when he starts an answer with. That's a good question. It means. He hates the question. Really? Yeah. I like this questions put it in the notes. So we got devante Adams and OJ Howard or Christian McCaffrey. Dave and Jamie are split heath break. Oh, I was just going to my answer was going to be. That's a good question. I am going to go with Adams and Howard. Okay. I would probably rather have than both of them. A different duo. I will tell you about them in a second. I would rather have Nate Dogg. And Warren g they thought war g thank you. Okay. Dear Simba, move Fossett. Who MBA NT Mon I joined a slow draft dynasty startup with an eight hour window for each pick. The league Commissioner kicked me out for taking advantage of the full eight hours for each pick. And I told him I was committed, but that I plan on taking the full window each time to do research and savor the pick. I communicated clearly with all the owners during my pick window and made sure to talk smack as well during around eight he decided to kick me out for not picking immediately. According to the rules. I didn't violate anything. Am I in the wrong or was the commission within his rights for kicking me out of the league for taking the full eight hours with every pick? If I were the commission you did that enough? I would change your clock to eight minutes. But I would not have kicked you out the league. Eddie mills don't kick about. No. Of course, you are in the wrong and the Commissioner is in the wrong. And I am glad I'm not in the league with either of you. How long have we all been playing fantasy football twenty plus years each when's the last time you savored a pick before making the selection where you just kick back close your eyes and mom on the clock last night. I was on the clock. I noticed before I went to bed for eleven hours and forty one minutes, and I slept on it. Did you see him about? It was eleven forty one by one second relish the opportunity to make a selection something so huge a fantasy football. I went upstairs lit into bed. Just kinda thought about it for a while annoys bed. Make in the first round of our rookie only draft. There have been one two three three owners who drafted and under a minute. He. He was one of them. He so far has the fastest time of making a pick of twenty six seconds to take Kim Butler. A longest thirty five seconds was the second. I was third at forty four seconds in round two. We had a forty nine second pick. And an eleven hour forty one minutes twenty one second pick by the Commissioner. No less. Yeah. It was it was a rough night last night. Oh, sorry, man. So okay. Last last. Sitex noise going on. I'm like he's tweeting. So I'm like this. And I forgot. All right last one. Here we go regulated. Oh, this is a game of thrones spoiler. And this is our last Email. So if you don't want to hear anything about season eight or or anything at all turned off the podcast and thank you for listening. This is Josh little out of left field here. But I have an issue in a league. I am the Commissioner of I put together an office pool for game of thrones, mainly focusing on character deaths. However, there was a fill in the blank part. One of which the question worth two points was who kills the night king? I put no one and not a single person put aria do I word do I award myself points, given that aria is no one. No. 'cause she she someone at hurt during the show at the end of season six when she leaves the house of black and white. He says is a no-one. And she says, no, I'm starting. I'm going home. Yeah. Well, chilling chilling live good style yet. But at now, it's life you at the time. You hated it loved that last episode people really didn't like the last episode. Seaming Starbucks Coffee soda for that was funny. But they really didn't like they thought it was personal drink thinks that they did on purpose because they can't advertise. Oh, interesting. I just drank it up Starbucks Cup or the Cup. I mean, I think if you look at it it looks very much like a Starbucks. But it also like me if you look at it from far like no notice that I didn't notice about thing. It's just one of the ail cups avail. I'm very wait for Sunday mother's day. All right. Thanks, everybody. We will talk to you on Thursday with another episode. So so appreciative of all your emails tweets fantasy football side com. 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The 2019 NFL Draft Roundup | The Ringer NFL Show

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The 2019 NFL Draft Roundup | The Ringer NFL Show

"Welcome to the ringer podcast network season. Eight of game of thrones is underway, and you can stay up to date with the ringer staff. As you make your way through the final episodes of the series on the podcast side listened to bench road game of thrones of Mallory Ruben, Jason Concepcion the watch with Chris Ryan Andy Greenwald an appre capital series on the recap Ables feed where we'll make predictions on episodes to come. In addition to our Sunday night Twitter after show called talk. The thrones our YouTube channel has tons of other game of thrones related content, which you can find YouTube dot com slash the ringer for even more thrones coverage had over the ringer dot com. Welcome to the ringer NFL show. I'm Robert Mays. Join me on the other line. It's Kevin Kark and Danny Kelly's draft time. I knew address something before you got on the line maze. Danny and I were talking about his college football career. And he said that he out. Consider himself having played college football because he was only on the roster and didn't play out of respect for the guys. Who did I find to be the most humble eighth? I played college football. I'd walk around with a graphic tee shirt that said I play football good for Dan Kelly is such a great teammate on our team. So we love having him so much. Look, I I walked onto the peel you football to you my junior year, she because all my friends were on the team. And I thought it'd be fun. So I'm not going to go ahead and say I was football player on the team as on like the scout team. I did not know what the hell I was doing. And it was fun. But I definitely was not a football player. I was just kind there to like hang out. Well, guess what you're a football analysts now, and we are pretty much done with the NFL draft. And we're going to dig in to everything that has happened since we recorded on Thursday night, which is a lot of stuff. So we're gonna hit a few different topics today. I think the first thing we want to do just full disclosure, we're recording this. About four ten central time five ten eastern as the draft is winding down. So something truly insane happens. Just let us know send up there's sender of a raven. The the bears are about to make pick to twenty two great. It doesn't really matter at this point. If it's not a kicker, then it's not relevant to me. But we're going to go through the entire draft. We're going to go through which teams without did. Well, which teams we thought did some things that didn't make a lot of sense. So let's just start with a very simple question. Danny I'll ask you because you have the most Rovan opinion here after watching six hundred guys over the last two months shots fired. Hey, it's more than me, and you buddy. So don't worry about it in your opinion. Danny Kelly, very simply which team on the draft. Honestly, probably the patriots. I think you could make an argument for the cardinals being a team that has a chance to be a lot better than they were last year. Colonels drafted color Murray for silver all and then grabbed Andy Isabella Akeem Butler in the fourth and then Keyshawn Johnson. I believe in the six so they added some really interesting weapons to there to there like passing game. I'm really really excited about you know, what they're going to be able to do on a cliff Kingsbury. So I think that would be I mean, I think they have a they have a claim for potentially like the most impactful one. But I think the patriots if you look at what they did. They got kill Harry with their first round pick who I think is gonna be a early impact player for them at least as a possession style receiver. I really liked John Williams. Who's a cornerback? They got in the second round. I think you could be a starter for them early on in his career chase one of each in the third maze. I know you loved him. Amazing value to get him Seventy-seven overall. I he was amid second round pick at the very least when you consider his production pluses athletic testing, even in a class with a lot of good guys that those positions. Yeah. When they picked him. I was like. Yup. That makes sense. I do want to say, I agree from a playmaking standpoint. I was blown away by him. But he's also the perks patriot in this regard. Did you see what he said when he was asked about his meetings with the patriots? Yeah. He said, I I'm not a liberty to say until I get further instructions awaiting instructions on one allowed to say about the last couple of months he is all in. And then if you add in like, Damian Harris who I think it'll be a solid running back for them. I liked the yacht nica could use he was a he kind of fell down. And I think a lot of people's boards, but I really like him as a potential left tackle long-term. He could probably play right tackle too. So or guard even so watch Dante scarring there. There was the joke going around on Twitter like watch Dante scar Nekia turned him into the highest paid tackle in four years. Yeah. That's we joke about that. But that is the thing right is when they take a guy they took juice in the third round. And they took fro hold from the guard from Arkansas and the fourth. Yeah. Yeah. And when you're looking at those picks, you're the first my first reaction was the patriots of the best offensive line in the league last year. When you consider the plastic do they really need more offensive line hope, and then you look at contracts, you look at the fact that is probably gonna be hitting free agency. I believe after this year Marcus cannon has pretty much no dead money left on his contract after next year. So they're just doing this scar Nekia reload that they do all the time. Let's get these guys in the third and fourth round believe Marcus cannon was a fifth round pick. And we'll turn them into a way above average offensive lineman here in the next eighteen months, and we can just let the other guys walk for market setting contracts. There's a story that Daniel Jeremiah's told in the past about how if you didn't like a lineman coming out of college. As a scout. You always dreaded when they were taken by the colts in the reason was because the colts were going to make them look and Peyton Manning was going to make them look like really good linemen, and you were gonna like an idiot because he was gonna get the ball out quickly and everybody was going to be overrated. Right. And he's also going to tell you where the protections were on all that pain. Peyton Manning made you better as alignment Dante's Karnak is the same thing if you get into Dante's correct just system you're gonna get a lot better. And so even if you aren't the greatest lineman of all time gun, Dante he's gonna make you look a lot better. If you're a scouted doesn't like a prospect, and it goes to the patriots. That's a real big problem for you, buddy. I think that it's it's a big problem for you. But I also think so few guys would be able to turn him them into the players that he does like Checkmate's. No example, check Mason just he was such a good run blocking. In college. He had traits that were attractive, but he was not a well rounded player, and then he goes in two years with scar. Nekia? It's like, oh, he's one of the best five guards in the league. And I just think that their ability to do that kind of skews how good these guys actually are as prospects for the most part some of the stuff they do is replicable. But I think this Carnegie thing is really tough. So I'm saying I will say that literally doesn't matter what the patriots do because they're making the Super Bowl. Yes. I thought about that. When when when I was thinking when I was looking at their draft a couple of hours ago. I was like, you know, none of this actually matters making this. I don't know. It's literally no difference being good or bad picks right now. Kevin who do you think on the draft all the smart GM's? So let's start with Chris Ballard who just knocked it out of the park there on my list to for sure I do want to give a shout out to John Dorsey because he trades his first round pick for auto Beckham incredible value, then he gets, greedy Williams. Someone who we thought may have gone in the mid first round where they originally going to pick seventeenth. He gets him with the fourteenth pick of the second round. So it's like. Yeah. I I had some reservations about greedy Williams tackling. I've talked about it on this show. John Dorsey was asked about that. He said said corners or paid to cover which is exactly right as greater rebuttal was possible. Isn't that exactly? What I told you on our on our video, Kevin are you John Dorsey? I guess he's spirited only. Yeah. He sure he's all of our spirit anti but back to the colts Rocky's in awesome, pick somebody again. I thought may have been first-round value. Ben Bono goo who is just my my type of athlete and then easier sorta guy the Browns, obviously got some athletes as well. Paris Campbell who was my favorite sort of value receiver in the entire draft. I just love what they're doing data. Your stay eight is clear to me. And this is a moving target. We talked about the Seahawks a couple of weeks ago as far as just they had that three year run where they could not miss. They want a Super Bowl off it. They could have won a handful more right right now. The Indianapolis Colts understand the draft better than anybody. That doesn't last forever. It's a moving target. But right now when I look at the way, Chris Ballard is building his draft. I understand he's staying in the higher plane, your other shed. I I kind of want to give here is the Baltimore Ravens. Eric Decosta's first draft as GM what? I will say in one of the underrated things here's the Ozzie Newsome is still in the building is newsome's at the owners meetings last month. Ozzie Newsome job title is. I think one of the beat writers asked Eric what is your job title was? And it's literally whatever Ozzie wants to do. That's that's his job title, and you're dealing with one of the best rafters in history as a guy who's just gonna watch tape and help you out. So I think when you take Erica Costas sort of new wave of thinking with with Ozzie Newsome 's incredible. Ability just hit on linebackers. He hit on the positions. He's always hit onto his entire career. That's a super front office. So we hit some Brown. Obviously who, you know, quite well, Robert, Jalen, Ferguson, and then miles boykin. Yeah. With pick thirty of the third round. That's just that's that's another guy. And then he comes back in round four, and he gets Justice hill is one of my favorite running backs. And these these three teams the Browns the colts the ravens they've all sort of figured out how to run the draft. And incredible thing is that they're all in the AFC and the patriots are still going to the Super Bowl. I this is my problem with just draft analysis right after the fact that I think that we should give the benefit of the doubt that teams like this. And I think that Ben Ben Hogan is when I look at just his athletic profile. That's a guy would have taken a chance on, but that's really high for who did not really produce that much in college. And who positionally may have some issues that the ravens they've done so much good stuff in the draft in the last decade or so, but then you look at just how many MRs they've had high in the second and third round on pass rushers. I think Jalen Ferguson's a good batches because the production is just off the shirts. But that's tough for me here. Like for me. It's more interesting. And I am this is what I care most about it as we sit right here is the draft is winding down. What does this tell us about these teams in what they want and with the ravens that's one of my it's the draft. I'm one of the most intrigued by because they essentially sat there and said we just want to get athletic as hell offense. That's all we care about. We're asking to get the most play makers and the most explosive playmakers possible last year. They built this kind of offense around middle of the field passing tight ends. So you're thinking what kind of guys do they want? Do. They need field. Stretchers? Do they need outside the numbers guys? And I fast as marquees Brown is as a straight down the field receiver. He does a ton of work underneath. And he's going to be able to take advantage of some of that stuff with Amar Jackson Justice hill seems like a perfect complement to Mark Ingram in the same way. A guy like Alvin Kamara was in New Orleans. We all love the miles boykin, Kevin. And especially just because you look at the profile you look at where he went. It's a bet worth making. Well, it can I say something real quick about right. That we were doing that. When we thought decay McAfee was a top fifteen pick. Yeah. And I actually think that Metcalfe's drop made him a boykin. I think is the same level of athlete as as mccafe we'll different profile, but still an athletic testing miracle. I think that Metcalf actually became a value as the draft went on as you drop to the point that the comparison to. Waken and and making the last couple of weeks it was rendered a little bit moot. So a couple of things I just want to mention here before we move on other teams. I've throw out I still think there's a chance Washington did. I agree with that. But I can't I can't start with the smart GM's one draft and throw in Daniel Snyder and Bruce Allin Washington if they get their franchise quarterback fifteen and montage sweat. There was a lot of noise about a health issue that doesn't exist. That's huge another team that just they always there are two teams that when they make draft picks. I think those are the guys I would have liked and over the last few years that's been the chargers and the titans. Yeah. And we talked about Jerry Tillery. And I love that the first round coming back with Nazir Adderley in the second round being able to hear him with their when James eventually when you consider how that the rest that defense looks and love that Pipkins seems like an interesting project at right tackle, they need some help on the outside. So, but then the titans what I watch those first few picks the titans, Jeffrey Simmons is the type of defensive tackle just skill wise. I think really works. I mean, if I compared to Chris Jones, it's like that's the type of guy you'd want in the middle of your defense from what he has just in terms of ability AJ Brown was maybe. My favorite receiver in the whole draft. And he goes in the middle of the second round, Danny? I bet that shocked you. Oh, yeah. And yeah, I mean, that's a huge value for them. And then it's interesting how he's gonna fit with Corey Davis. I don't know exactly. I'm kind of building which guy is going to do what within that offense. I like skill set among receivers I think they can be kind of redundant just in terms of physicality, but I think that you're he's able to do more stuff underneath where I think it's gonna work. I just thought they wanted more speed out of that outside receiver that they were looking for because they have what's his name on the slot? Now, they have taken Taylor. They offer you the slot now. So I thought Brown projected as a slot guy, but they have Humphrey. So I'll be curious how they use him. And Nate Davis the guard that they got from Charlotte. I went back, and I watched a little bit after they did it was going to say, you probably like this guy and I liked him. I mean, just to drop a guy with that sort of physicality weight in the middle of your offense. You lose Josh Klein in the off season. I think he could be either you could start and again for every like the last couple of years. I've just looked at the time. I like that. I liked moves. They're making this is just another example, Danny I will say before we move onto the quarterback news, which is definitely we're talking about. I don't know what kind of players this hawks guy. I mean, obviously Metcalf whatever else, but I will say that this is what you do when you have a thirty five million dollars a year quarterback. Yeah. You get as many possible bites at the apple as you can buy trading down trading down trading down and looking for value. It's there are ways to do this. Smartly and the Seahawks are right in the in the early stages of doing it. They started with okay. Before they traded Frank Clark at four picks. They traded Frank. They got an extra. I they turn those five picks. I think at one point they had like eleven or twelve six, but they ended up picking ten times. And I think they've got I mean, I actually kinda liked their draft. I mean, I think Collier's like a high ceiling physical pass rusher blow your a high ceiling. That's all right. I meant high floor. I was gonna say that's what I thought of him. He's just the guy that produces which is good. That those guys are nice, right? That's all right. That's what I meant. Okay. I was just confused that would you said something, and it was the exact opposite road. I understood I thought I was in the rock. I need to be careful with that. But yeah, I mean, they got decay Metcalf at the end of the second. They got Markey's Blair like a hard hitting safety, which totally fits their sort of personality, Gary Jennings. Interesting receiver with a lot of athleticism super sparked up actually, those are two of the top spark receivers in this class. Now that doesn't necessarily mean anything, but obviously they're going for a lot of athleticism. So the one other number. Baby. Spark is back cattle. I wanna bring up one more team though, go forward, buddy. So I think jets fans would be mad at us. If we didn't. I think the jets had a really good draft. Again. I like with the plan was I think that tackle they got from USC. I I hate drafting tackles on traits if you're trying to him high. But if you're drafting a guy who's a great mover and just a real specimen at that position. Getting him in the third round. I think that works. They have a spot at right tackle, if he can come along faster than you thought that the example, I was using Toronto Armstead turned Armstead was such a project coming out. But when you get them in the fourth round. That's okay. So caterer projects in the fourth round and quit Williams. Obviously. I mean, that's stood. He falls right into their lap withdrew from this. They don't have a second round pick. No. They didn't have a second that grab plight in the third. That's right. That's right. And and you know, how I feel about him. He's just the type of rusher. I love physical. But I mean, obviously, he just tanked the process. Yeah. I did not. Whatever the opposite of testing miracle is he's. That's exactly right. But if you can get a guy who was a really good player in the third round and show that on tape and just happened to be awful in every step of this. That's okay. You can get value out of those players. He's not the first round pick like somebody like many people thought he was going in you add add in they got Trevan west go really really fits. Also love fat like a bad ass tight end. I think in the fourth or fifth their their offense. They added Jamison Crowder Quincy noon back from injury, Robbie Anderson. I think is probably going to be on the up and up next year got lady on bell. Christopher her on Chris Hurn? Don, I don't have his name her Don is a good up and coming tight end. I mean, there's a lot of really interesting players in that offense for Sam darnold to like grow around. I don't know. I'm kind of like actually getting a little excited about the jets are they into your their offensive line is questionable. And I would like to see if there's a chance that dog. I don't know how to pronounce it can somehow win that. Job on the right side over Brennan shell. I mean, if they can get a couple of just hits in places, we didn't expect it could be a really fun offense. I have one more point to make. And it goes back to little bit to the ravens. But a couple of these other teams I heard a nugget on the NFL network. I was sort of fascinated by which is that urge Acosta says that one of the benefits of running the offense. They're going to Lamar Jackson often say did wrong last year is that they can draft completely differently than every other team. They're running a different system. They're not after the same target essentially said that their draft board is going to be completed from everybody else. And I think that that's a really fascinating thing to watch as there's a little more. Maybe homogeneous offense around the league guys running that sort of McVay Shanahan system, which is now everywhere I actually asked Matt before about this couple of weeks ago, and he didn't really know what I was talking about. But but I just think that there's there's going to be real value in the teams that zig will everybody else exit vice versa as just as far as I see the running game is. Is is what it is passing game the most important thing. But I think if you're doing a little bit different things on offense, you're going to succeed in the draft ambulance just going up guys asking efficiency, always be the most important thing, but finding different wrinkles in that and building a draft board around. It will be very fascinating for a couple of teams next couple of years. That's probably true. But I also think that was way more was way more relevant last year with the guys they took them this year like marquees browsers with the raven. Yeah. With the Ray. Oh, yeah. No, no. I'm just I'm talking about someone like hill out of Oklahoma state. I mean, obviously market Brown. What would would would work in any offense? He's not a he's they didn't bring him into run block. Exactly. So I think that a lot of those guys are going to do some stuff that you'd want. I think that boy Wiggins the same way. But that's why I thought those pictures just so worth looking at and we're analyzing their they don't fit necessarily what they were doing last year. So what that offense is gonna look like and how they evolved from what they were last year to this season. I think is going to be really cool to watch. They also took. They also took trace McSorley, which is essentially doubling down on what they're they're currently doing is for a quarterback. Yes. Yeah. All right. Let's chat about the couple of quarterbacks that went high off the board. And then a couple of guys maybe a little bit further down the draft that you thought were interesting decay. So let's start with the Josh Rosen trade which. Miami was such a cool case about what they were going to do in about approach when this draft where are they going to reach for a quarterback? Where are they going to kind of sit there and let the draft come to them and say we're going to do this next year? And what I love about the Rosen trade Kevin is that by doing this. You're getting value for Rosen at the end of the second round in this doesn't preclude you from going and getting to if you have the first overall pick next year. And that's why I just don't know why more teams weren't willing to do this at sixty or sixty two or whatever to jump ahead of a team like Miami. Because it doesn't stop you from doing anything to make this to go. You talked about this with Rosen and Cuyler the idea of having these guys able to try to try out as many of them as you can't find the right one. I just think it makes so much sense for the dolphins to be the team who did this. It's incredible value from the dolphins. And I almost mentioned the dolphins a team that won the draft because we see that they're they have a plan. And it's funny to me. Because we talked about all these teams reflexively wanna trade down or they're coming out and leaking they want to trae down before the draft the the Miami Dolphins lived it. And they waited and they have patients they did not treat the forty eighth pick. Instead, they traded out got more picks than traded the sixty second pick, and they just they understand value. And it's kind of funny to me because there were a couple of teams that mentioned or seem to have mentioned Astro ball, which as you just read, and I just think that there's there's a lot of teams. I'm the moneyball was the book for, you know, fifteen sixteen years, I think the Astro ball is going to be the Arctic cost actually set it. I think I saw that on Twitter going forward. And I think there's teams like the Miami Dolphins who just have a plan and are going to stick with. And that's how you get out of mediocrity. The Miami Dolphins have been that bad. The last twenty years they've just been insanely mediocre and the way to go from average to good, and then great is to have a plan and stick with it. That's the commonality between every single team in. That had improvement over the especially of the era is just understanding. We'll football is and hammering that home building a franchise round it. I'll say having a plan but have patiently having that plan b kind of extreme. That's okay. That is that is the way to be not be mediocre. What I'm saying? Is that value is the only constant and when you can get someone like Josh Rosen who the cardinals already gave the big money to. They're getting him for six point three million dollars over the next three years score a top ten pick. You think about it this way you are literally taking a flyer on a top ten quarterback. When do you ever get to do that? It's it's baffles me the more teams weren't willing to do this because that's exactly right. It's it's such a low value proposition at the most important position in professional sports. And when you can do that, and you can marry those two things together. It's just something that every franchise should be thinking about doing for God's sakes. I just saw a quote do Bruce Arians said about James Winston. No, they say, what's what's the improvement plan for jams? He said, well, I want them to stop throwing it to the other team. Okay. Instead of giving quotes like that. And throwing James Winston out there where the hell were the bucks on this see that? I'm just saying there's ten teams where we're I'm dislike why why why not why not the bucks are in that to me. I, but there's an optics thing in play with a first year. Coach with the guy you picked first overall. I think that high under hairs I wouldn't protect Jameis Winston. I wouldn't care. But I think that that's probably the thought process in that building. There's that's the personality management side of it. When you bring in a head coach his first year to guy, you're trying to possibly get the most out of you ever have I can get that even though I wouldn't have made the same decision. There's like twenty guys. I'm the fact that there wasn't a bidding war. Josh Rosen says so when it gets to pick sixty two and he's still available. The factor wasn't a bigger bidding wars. Outrageous. If you're Cincinnati, why not who cares? Three million dollars. I know they got right after that in the fourth round kidding. What I'm saying is at that point the second round. Okay. Maybe any future. Maybe is not your you have a new head coach. You don't know what your system's going to be? What's get? Josh Rosen the building see what happens. Yeah. Danny. Let's talk about the other quarterback here because you may be shocked by this. But I really liked the Broncos getting drew lock in the second round. I actually do to. Yeah. No look at that. Kevin is a convert will you you said he should be a top. You said you take them in the top ten. I probably would have January Joan with sixth overall. I'm mocked him in the top. What I'm saying? What I'm saying is I don't like him as the tenth pick. I like him as the whatever the thirty ninth pick. It's nice for them to get him in the second round is pretty great. I mean, this is almost the same discussion. As as the Rosen think is getting a guy. It's a flyer on what could have been atop a first round pick in the second round. I think he they both have different skill sets. But I think. Locke has the upside cool upside or whatever like strong, arm and all the tools to develop into a starter. And he's getting into a situation where the team didn't have to move up for him. And it's not gonna put quite as much pressure on him to start right away. There's a lot of good. It's like a good scenario for him. I think because you know, they're getting a new offense coordinator, and they're they're gonna install a new system. He's probably gonna sit behind flacco for a year goes probably not gonna help him a whole lot. But it'll be good to be in the building. And so I don't know. I think it's a good situation for him. I really liked the Broncos draft in general because they had a good draft by moving down. I mean, this is just I think this is the way that you really played this. Well, they didn't have the pick that used to draft lock originally that was not their pick. So they trade from ten to twenty. They get Noah fan, they take dolled risen or with the forty first pick Danny you, and I both love. Yeah. And I think he has a chance to come in day one to be they're starting right guard, and if they can get something out of McGovern in year two and you have. Leery. I mean bowls is obviously a question Mark in the left side. But you trapped in the first round need to stick with him page you on James, you can remake your offensive line pretty quickly with a moves. They've made if you can get a little bit of improvement left tackle. And then you bring fat as some guy desperately needed as a playmaker. We talked about them as a pass catching tight end destination before the draft started. And then to trade the fifty second pick which you got from Pittsburgh to move downs. Poten- spots to go up and get drew lock that in the first forty two picks of the draft is completely remake your offense over the next two years. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, just I mean, yeah, they had to they had to trade up. But like the that is such a small cost to get a potential starting quarterback. I mean, obviously, you know, second round quarterbacks are it's rare for a second round quarterback to start, but you can count on one hand that have actually been quality starters for any period of time. I kind of feel like Locke should have been a first rounder though, he should have been he should have been the Daniel Jones pick at Danja. Should not have been a first rounder. He should not have been a high pick in less. It's the same draft that Daniel Jones goes to figure. All right Janelle. Jones completely reset my notion valley, this is this is what I I mean if we're going to play with a quarterback values twain Haskins should've gone six overall. And then Washington should've taken drew fifteen. That's how it should have gone. If six Daniel Jones is number six and doing asking on number two. That's probably I mean, that's not crazy. It's even probably should've traded up for two half to if there was a market. But there wasn't. And that was the weirdest part of the first round, my wife does not know anything about football. If anybody, but Tom Brady Aaron Rodgers standing in front of them should have no idea who they were probably doesn't know won the Super Bowl. She called me on Friday. And was like what what did the giants do? That's where the giants are at right now. It's not great, Danny? Were there any of the quarterbacks that went a little bit later that caught your eye whether because you thought they should've gone hired. There's the landing spot you feel like they're gonna get an opportunity pretty quick so one one landing spot that I think is super fascinating. I don't know if I necessarily agree with it. But we'll go into the Panthers round three like that. Because they needed a backup quarterback. You saw. How far they fell off the last time. They drafted a quarterback was twenty eleven they really fell off. And they were kind of just holding that spot together with duct tape, and they needed somebody. That was just tolerable option there. They did not have that last year. And I also think with camps health. The third round is not too high to draft a quarterback. And he's a guy that people liked. I would never have draft him in the first round. I thought he was a backup. But this is a good spot to be for him to be your backup. I like just the elements involved here are you are either of you worried now about Cam Newton's health. It makes me worried a little bit. I think it's probably more like just an injury insurance thing that hurts. During the year. But yeah, that's what I'm thinking too. But I do think they really need to bolster that spot. You don't want canister starting anymore. He's not even there anymore there anymore. They've parade of guys who'd never heard of it was Garrett Gilbert, that's what I mean. I was just I just meant like a generic whatever backup or I have. I have some horrible news. Danny Derek Anderson would have been a good option. Relative to what extent starting? Is there anybody else from this conversation? The Washington state guy went to Jacksonville, which I think is really smart. I mean who knows foles is not young immediate. Just a flyer on a guy who was super productive in college. The guy from north western I don't know any of these guys names. The quarterback from north western went to Philadelphia. It's kinda take on that backup role. It just seems like a lot of logical quarterback decisions were made outside of the Daniel Jones straight Jones, pick the one that I think will be interesting to to monitor longer term easier. Oh, I was gonna say well that too. Yeah. Eastern stick in LA with chargers. And then you know, how who's gonna trade for for stood him in a few years for now. What team is did him sending fifty two million dollars? Yeah. All right. Let's get to some guys who were taking a little bit higher in the traff day. I want to know as you dug into your top one hundred and you kind of found guys you loved guys you would have kind of planned to flag with who were you too shocked to see fall down the board as far as they did. So that's two fold number one. I think the first shocking one was Hakeem Butler. Because at the same time we knew that the NFL was much lower on him. We talked about that before like it was clear that I think draft Twitter and draft analyst where a little bit higher on him. Then then I think the NFL actually was and so it wasn't super surprising. He was the first thing in the fourth round. That was much lower than I expected the one that was more shocking to me was Kelvin Harmon falling into I think it was the sixth or seventh round. He to me was a higher floor guy. It just in the sense that he's very physical big. He's not that different honestly from Nikki, Harry. And so to see him fall that far. I mean, he he ran a four six that's probably a big part of it. And he didn't separate that. Well, but like that to me, it was like the most shocking thing, I think the Redskins getting him that late is going to be it's at least certainly a great value. Good spot to take a flyer on a guy because I had him ranked way higher. Ed Ray had him ranked in the thirties. So him falling. That far was to me the biggest fries. So you're saying the bears did not do well by drafting rally Ridley instead of coming home in two rounds to runs earlier. I mean, I would have had them do Harmon. But Ridley is a different style. Play. Ridley is like a master of the underneath routes. I don't know is that is that something that you think the bears need because he's a very here. I'm just curious. How those snaps kind of if he ends up becoming a guy that they can feel like they can get into the rotation this year. I'll be curious to see how the snaps eventually play out. Because Taylor Gabriel does what Taylor Gabriel does. He was somebody that they used a lot. And that's the gadget e way and kind of exporting that area. Not even as much straight down the field as you would assume. But Anthony Miller is probably going to be in the slot this year. I just I'm fine with it. Because who knows what's going to happen? With Gabriel has contract is brilliant guaranteed money after the season as much with the future is anything. But rally really does somehow break in to the starting not to the starting lineup. But to a place where he deserves snaps out to speak area. See how it eventually falls, right? He's he's a good route runner who's very good at comeback routes routes and things over the middle of like he'll be like a possession style guy for them. He's nothing special or flashy or whatever. But I don't know. I I guess I can kind of see why they liked him. But yeah to me Harmon falling that far was very shocking. Another guy that we expect it to possibly go in the top ten. He fell we talked about a little bit on Thursday night most likely based on health, but John Taylor going to Jacksonville and we had him as possibly going to Jacksonville at number seven overall. I think I do Optum to side Jacksonville, my final mock. And so they got him eventually, but yeah. To get him a whole round later. It just feels if he's healthy that could be a great value for them at a position of desperate need he fits their style like a glove too. And he's like very physical kind of like a brawler type guy. You know, they're obviously gonna still try and run the ball Tottenham. Sharon. So it's man that's such a perfect fit of such a great value. People were talking about this reminds you of the season when they got. The linebacker from UCLA in a second round after Jack. Yes. Yeah. Everyone thought he was going to be like the third pick or something like that. He was like, I think he told the media. I think it would have microfracture surgery which again don't. I I don't do it. Don't do it whenever whenever you're a prospect three days, we have me injected and thinking about dulling bitter. So you think you're going to have microphones surgery, I advise against it. There's a side business for you as a draft adviser just tell guy that that would be just meet texting everyone's saying everybody shut it down Combe down. No, microfracture interviews anybody else TK, or is that pretty much the guys you like. Lexi, Phil further. I'm murphy. Byron murder falling into the second round. I think was not shocking. But I was pretty surprised to see the infect a whole cornerback group falling. So far was a little bit surprising. I think the cardinals got frigging steel getting him with thirty three. I think he's going to be like a good player for them. Obviously. I don't know what the future is Patrick Peterson there, but like having him across from Peterson or sometimes in the slot. I think could be really cool for them. Even outside of that. I was talking. I tweeted this when it happened. I just think that this is such an underrated part of why when got why guys succeeded why guys fail landing in a position group room with Patrick Peterson having him teach you how to play cornerback in the NFL is a really good route to be successful as an NFL quarterback thing. What were you want to say, Kevin? I was going to say we're in your three of dislike every two months. There's a report he's about to be traded. I know no one is about to be traded more often than Patrick Peterson socially every. What am I supposed to this the time? Like, what is this happened this week? It's like someone I think it was a foyer or somebody tweeted like sums up with Patrick Peterson. Don't know it's never been out. Nothing has ever been up with Patrick Peterson. Danny what'd you think about Dickie Metcalf? So I think you know, obviously, I I liked to pick. Personally, I think it fits the Seahawks scheme. It's bad for fantasy people who took like who are expecting him to be big fantasy guy because he's going to be playing a role in that offense. He's an elite. I think he'll have a chance to be an elite. He was only deep pass catcher in college. He could be elite pass catcher in the offense the Seahawks offense. And so I mean, he's got like just crazy speed off the line of scrimmage. Good. Good footwork to get off present things like that huge catch radius. I think with Russell Wilson's ability to thread the needle down sideline. That's a good match for them. I was officially agree. Yeah. So it was it was very surprising to see him go that late. I thought he was going to probably get scooped up in the thirty somewhere. So it was a bit surprising to see him. Follow. It wasn't like a huge huge fall necessarily. I'm just thinking of what Russell Wilson's been able to do with guys like David Moore. And then I think that about dating. Ragam Danny Jiang them get him. David Moore has been very productive. Bush more productive than anyone would have thought my bed is that David Moore is going to be a superstar. He's definitely. To drop a guy with decay Metcalf straight line speed and frame and physical profile into spot opposite teller lockers, just like all right? I could get behind this this. This threw me the other thing is like if you got lock it on one side and decay Metcalf on another side. How many teams are going to want to run a single high look against you zero. And is that this is the plan. Danny this is the whole thing all along with forty five times every game. So yeah. The my point like like you looted to is that it's going to make things easier in theory for the Seahawks to run which is what they. I am. So the ultimate Seahawks plan. Let's drift. The best pass catcher is available and then used them to run the ball better. Oh my God. It's galaxy brain K Metcalf. So intimidating you're going to be able to run the ball really easily. I mean, this whole thing. It just sets up perfectly. He's probably a great run blocker. Unbelievable. So I worked ISO so I've mentioned this before like the Seahawks. If they're going to do the philosophy that they want to do which is to run the ball and throw the ball deep. Right. That's that's the crux of their offense for the most part. It was to me. It was going to be very hard for them to to be that officiant next year as they were last year because I mean like Russell Wilson was perfect passer rating to Tyler lack last season at ten touchdowns. Like, do you think that's going to happen again like our or is it more likely they're going to have some huge regression in that area? I think getting decay Metcalf gives them another very potentially very dangerous downfield threat. He's not a complete product at this point. Obviously, he's probably not going to help them a tunnel third downs and stuff like that. But he has the chance to be that stretch to feel type of guy that could help open things up and help them keep that efficiency. I think I I don't know if he's going to be a starry might have only thirty twenty thirty catches. That'd be like I'd be fine with that. But I think that's kind of like what they're looking for schematically. It's a perfect fit. I when I soon as I saw it it was like. Yep. That makes that's exactly what I again schematic. It's a perfect fit the first time. I saw it. I was like. Yep. That's right. Those guys. Those guys they like exactly what they want. They might try to get these guys forever. I mean, they had like te'o in they had Brandon Marshall. The young guy. Finally, all right. So before we get out of here. Let's talk about some team specific plans that maybe you didn't love maybe they weren't teams that you've won the draft. But some that kind of raise some questions for you other to start because you guys talked about you guys talk about the cardinals and how much you like their draft. And I think there are elements to like, but I also look at the cardinals. I didn't win it last year and that was on the offensive line and distance myself from that take daddy. Daddy said he likes the draft the cardinals draft. So it's it's very sexy and Bellas has great speed keen Butler. It seems like they're just getting all these shiny toys. And forgetting the fact that they couldn't block anybody last year. And I know they traded for Marcus Gilbert, and the hope is that they're more healthy on the offensive line. And that's the biggest problem they had a year ago. But I still have shocked by the fact that they didn't address it until later in the draft considering how much of an issue it was last year. So I don't know if it's a bad plan necessarily. It's definitely planned that made me raise an eyebrow. Though. Danny is there one that was like that for you. There's a couple. I'm I still don't necessarily see like a cohesive plan with what the lions are doing. You know, taking talk on. How can sit I think is going to be a good player for them. They grabbed another linebacker. I to me it didn't. I didn't see I guess like a specific plan in their draft. It wasn't necessarily like they totally flopped or anything. But like, I just can't find myself getting excited about that. What do you feel? So the Vikings to me are an interesting one because I love gear Bradbury's, very good. But like their first four picks were like, let's get better at running the ball. Like, they're they're doing what the Seahawks did last year. It feels like oh, see, I don't mind it. I think that they really needed to hammer the interior the offensive line. I think it was the most important area even beyond bradberry. I think they needed up another body there. In the fourth. I like him. I went back and watched him today because it seemed like he was somebody that fits that kubiak system. I think Pat Flynn has health is a question, Mark. And then he was never the same after breaking that wag and to have depth at those spots. I think that last year really scarred them with how bad you can get that quickly when you don't have deputy those positions. So I don't mind it. I think our Smith gives them what they want in terms of flexibility. The two tight end sets in that system. It's not surprising to me. So those picks makes sense the team that I was go ahead. I was gonna say that. I think I saw the clip, but there was a sort of a reaction shot of the Vikings taking interior linemen and the fans would is freaking out like they should they're so happy. Like ninety nine percent of the time. They it was really a guy dressed like face paint. Everything had the Vikings helmet. And he was like they just won the Super Bowl and ninety nine percent of the time when you draft interior linemen or even attack or anybody who's not a scope position guy. There's kind of that sort of clap and takes twenty seconds to Google who it is. This was just pure elation. Finally solve the material line though. Another just overall plan that maybe scratch my head a little bit was the forty Niners. Yeah. I was going to put them to actually I it's it's beyond the punter. We can get to the punter. If we want a whole different conversation for me. It's more so looking at their roster. Remember it went the forty Niners. We're going to get Earl Thomas that was the idea. He's think they need so much secondary help like they're definitely the team Earl Thomas so instead of addressing the secondary really at any position any position in the off season outside of a fly round. Jason Fred who hasn't played more than two games in like five years. They did nothing. They did. Absolutely nothing. They're just rolling with the same guys. And they drafted deebo Samuel in the second which fine if they needed another pass catcher it was a position of need. We all thought that. And then they drafted Jalen hurt in the third round. Who would is Jalen hurt in the NFL? Is he going to be more of that kind of hybrid player is gonna play some running back? Didn't they just signed two running backs two free? Agent contracts. It just seems like the way their roster is organized right now. Trying to stockpile more playmakers on offense was not the direction they needed to go and all around play an all around playmaker. Or whatever he's going to be. They've said he's going to be receiver first and foremost, but they're gonna try them out on like, you know, it end and running back and all that like that kind of player. I feel like is more like a day three type. That's my thought as when you have needs. Elsewhere. Yeah. So that was a little bit of a head scratcher. I it's exciting. You know, it's like fun to think about, but is it really exactly what they need right now. I agree with you. I guarantee you their logic is we brought in deported, Nick Bosa. That's how we're going to get better on the back end. I promise you, that's what they're thinking. But I just don't necessarily buy that as a smart way to build your team. I mean that's fair. That's definitely fair. Kevin. Is there anybody that kind of stuck out to you? Where you just weren't. Really, sure. What was going on the New York Giants? Yeah. The New York Giants we wanna pile on them again. No. I I would say this about the giants and the raiders I just. I just I don't know. I didn't change my mind on either of those situations. One thing we do really I like you would've loved the raiders like back half of their draft. All they do crazy athletes. No, no, I understand that. But they had a real opportunity to remake their franchise. And I just I'm so discouraged with 'cause I really did think there was there was a chance that the John gruden's whole sort of public Schick was just a stick. And and we saw a little bit of fact that it's it's real neither of the new the giants nor the raiders seem to understand value. They don't understand playing the board. I think what's really fascinating is. I saw saw an analysis couple of weeks ago that a lot of teams think that picks maybe six excuse me twenty through sixty. There was they were really bunched up together. And this was a very deep draft in that way. And then it was hard to decipher. Between the twenty fifth best player in the fifty ninth best player and that sometimes happens. But this one was particularly like that. And I think when you get into that you you start to realize how important value is. And how important it is to trade back. Ten slots are really only get the guy you can only get here. And when I what I find fascinating. But watching this draft in particular is really there's two NFL's. And I think as we get more information on how teams win on how the game should be played. There seems to be almost reminds me of baseball and let you down and seven something like that. Where even if you don't go all in on data, which some teams didn't do. And so one we certainly know how the game is played now and how it should be played. And it seems to me like there are maybe five six seven teams that just all out on the way the modern game is going and that includes value, and that's why I'm really fascinated to see. The next couple of years whether or not we still have these drafts teams clearly don't understand value and take a guy like Fairwood four or take a guy Kano Jones at six I think that the two NFL's is the thing to watch next four or five drafts. But how do we know that team didn't value Cleveland Farrell at seven or eight? I mean, Danny thought he was a six bus player in the draft. It just seems like has rusher. If you think he's the guy I don't mind taking him at four the judge Jacob things. Josh shakeups thing is indefensible but outside of that it seems like they drafted positions that they needed. They drafted players that more or less were supposed to be available in that range. And then when they got later in the draft, they just roll the dice on crazy athletes. I mean to get is Ahah Johnson and a guy with that profile with one hundred and twenty nine th pick. I can't be mad at that. And mex- Crosby is a similar kind of deal. I mean, it's Crosby. I mean, those are guys that I think that's what you're supposed to chase later in the draft is just traits. And that's what they did in Detroit. In my opinion, do two things traits or you chase production. You don't have to marry them the way to earlier in the draft. And with Crosby and Johnson. It's just traits and with hunter Renfro, it's just production. Okay. Mind. That's a real in mind may ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. They've three first round picks this year. Okay. They go pass rush. You're running back safety. They have Derek Carr quarterbacks to they had the guys they've gotten rid. They've gotten rid of Mark Cooper. What is the earliest year that they will compete? I think that's more of a problem with Derek Carr to me that it is anything, but they had the fourth pick in the draft had an opportunity to address quarterback it. That. Yeah. Okay. But I'm what I'm saying is is they got rid of their two two of their probably two of their best players to best players last year. And this draft one where they had three first round picks. I don't see a path forward for them. Even after that. If you have three first round picks if you have two first round picks you need to come away feeling better than you did a week ago. I don't think the giants or the raiders did that running back the raiders disagree with you. I think that in their opinion. I think they remade their franchise. Whether that's correct or not, I absolutely think they feel that one hundred elite athletes Renfro. This story a couple of days ago, the Montesquieu it was two and a half miles per hour faster than hunter Renfro hundred Renfro moved sixteen miles per hour at top speed. That's Danny Kelly numbers. Danny what school? Do you go to again, dating feel you Pacific Lutheran whatever that is you ran for our at some point during your college football days hundred Renfro, not an athlete. Yeah. I'll just say I don't think daddy Kelly was catching passes in the national championship game. That's all. By the way. Did you see all the guys from national title game that Jon Gruden drafted? That's pretty funny. That was hilarious loves the cliffs. Mullen from Clemson he had a giant game Josh Jacobs from Alabama and obviously Farrell from Clemson. So literally Jon Gruden washed one college game. And it was like I hear the five best players. I saw an handed that list of Mike MAC, and then fired all the scouts. One draft. We have not discussed and I want to bring up here. First of all, it's a pip the pick that kind of just made me stand up and take notice and second of all the draft overall. I thought it was actually pretty interesting was the Rams and by taking Henderson in the third round. I'm not sure what that tells us about Todd girlies future or his health. Tell me how to feel tell me how to feel about this, Robert. Because does this mean girls, it's like done? That's like the big question. I don't think it means. He's done, but it's definitely an insurance policy, and it's an insurance policy to me that is a perfect fit mean that guy in offense. Oh, boy, even if tiger Lee is healthy and you're trying to limit his touches. I just think this is a way for them to get even more explosive in that area their offense, and that was hard for me to imagine. And they love when you watch Henderson on outside zone runs where he's just taking one cut and gave downhill Asti. It's perfect. I would have liked him in a shock on offense. But this is fine. This totally works. I love his. Ability. It's not even just the decisiveness because we see a lot of that with one cutbacks. It's just the ability to understand spacing and understand where a defense is going vision. It means the simple way to explain it. But there are times where he's kind of joy sticky, where he'll put his foot in the ground and be able to change direction in this really decisive explosive sudden way, I just think it's a perfect fit and then elsewhere in the draft for them. I think they got really quality productive defensive backs a couple different spots amid to get Taylor wrap that late David long again positions. They really need some help at. So I just thought that their draft. Overall was a good draft all things considered the Henderson pick, which is kind of one that made me take notice. Yeah. I mean, I looked down. I look down the list of players that they got. And I'm not gonna say that either Evans or David Edwards is the tackle got in the fifth round both of those guys for a long time during the season last year. We're like talked about as potential like early round picks now. David Edwards never lived up to that hype. But I mean, they they got a couple of very good like high higher potential tackles Greg Gaines is like one of the top run defenders in in the draft. I mean, that's not sexy. But it's gonna be like it's going to add to that already. Good defensive line, David long. I know some people were talking about him. It's like an early second rounder. He fell into the third round saying they rap. I mean, it's about as a first rounder. Yeah. Exactly. So I think that that's they positions. They needed players again. The Henderson thing is definitely the highlight Steeler about your app, but I think the quieter parts of that draft. Our some aren't some to look at as well as Lutely. All right. Anything else? Guys anything else to wrap up the twenty nine thousand nine hundred fell draft. Good question. I mean, there's just so much to take in right now. I tried to pair it down as much as possible. I mean when you're talking about two hundred and fifty guys go in different directions. We're gonna do we're going to do binge mode of the draft where it's going to be exactly right. Yeah. We just have like twenty five episodes to go through every single one. Yeah. No. It was fun, man. Very very fun weekend Janney. Just one more time before draft season. Officially ends Beck's refunding killing it, buddy. Crushed it. The last couple of months they've picture making our jobs easier. Thanks for making the site better. If you have not gone back and read every single bit of Danny Kelly draft coverage, it is not a relevant because you can see what a very smart person thought about some of these picks down the draft. And whether you should be happy about them. So go check it out still a former college football player that. That's exactly right. All right, guys. That's all we have for the draft. We'll be back at some point. It's pretty much the off season now through everything important. 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The AP Draft Show - Episode 9 (2019)

Arrowhead Pride

56:55 min | 1 year ago

The AP Draft Show - Episode 9 (2019)

"Very merry draft. Miss to you. Thank you for joining us today. Money can't Swanson them lead film draft analyst for aero head pride. This is the aero had pride draft show and coming at you with less than a week until the NFL draft that just gave me chills. I'm joined by my co host co host on Twitter Agic Morley, Jake. This is the last Friday. Before draft Mus it's here, man. It's all here. And you know, we record this Thursday night. It's eight twenty five right now on Thursday this time next week. We're going to be posted up opening gifts. Yup. Edit it we're going to be posting up. We're gonna be posted up at at Entercom studios at the six ten sports radio station. Craig, and I will be joining j being glee for the first round. And we've kind of instant on this information for a little bit, and we're really excited to be part of of of six tenths coverage. We're gonna cover the entire first round. And I am really excited for this. I'm really excited for for Craig to this is his first time doing live radio in studio like that. So it's gonna be a lot of fun, and we could not be more excited about that. So if you wanna kinda here are takes about what's going on in the first round. And I think kind of how it relates to the chiefs you can tune into six ten six ten in talk with me and Craig and j being clear over six ten we're really excited about that. If if you like are if you like our channel, please feel free to go five star review. Apparently, it's a good thing. And I say that every week, but Espy nation likes likes five-star view. So let's let's go ahead. And if you like this, please please feel free to do that Jake. I know you said you kind of had some gut feels and I told you to save it for the pod you had some feelings about the about the draft. I wanna hear them. I wanted you to save them in. So we could just of react right now from them. What would you have K? So I got one that's Packers specific and one that's NFL specific my my gut feeling for the Packers at twelve is this a lot of Packers fans are gonna be upset. Brian. Burns is going to be available and they're gonna pass on. They're gonna take them. Why say that I just don't think he fits Mike Pence criteria of what he likes as an edge rusher. He historically hasn't had smaller kinda lighter in the pants guys. Like. That he actually kind of likes Ed rushers that are pretty similar what spags likes of those guys that can get after it in the run game first. And then he kind of builds on the back end of his defense. So I don't think Brian burns is going to be a Packer. You know? I'm not sure that she would take Bryan either. I we've kind of been having some questions about that. Like, I'm not sure that Brian Burs even makes a ton of sense. If you know if they don't trust him the ads, so what were the other takes head? So my other take this people are talking about the Bengals a lot at eleven and how something crazy's going to happen in the top ten. There has been some rumors that they really liked Wayne Haskins at eleven false there. What I think is going to happen. They're going to trade up to eight with the lines who want to move down. And they're not gonna take Wayne Haskins. They're gonna take drew lock. Ooh. Just looks like a Cincinnati Bengals. And the reason and get, but the reason for that why if you want to move on from Andy Dalton why are you going to draft a younger Andy Dalton I mean, there's some layup in three free layup in three pointer tendency, similar, right? I kinda get your saying a little bit. And drew lock is the anti Andy Dalton. He would look good on the move. If if they wanna play that game the same way that, you know, Sean, McVay likes it. I mean, right. He has his that. Andy Dalton has only dreamt up. So that's my other take alleges could see it happening. I could see it. Did you have anything else? Did you eat at one more told me this one? Yeah. I had one more and I'm still getting over this cold. So like, my voice is will shake hungry. Pretty good on sneeze there ever. Get one of those sneezy happen. Maybe maybe kind of sweat, maybe wanna sweat a little bit. Does a terrible transition. So I've talked about this a little bit ago with you guys. I kind of tweeted today but last year if you remember leading up to the draft Marie I had the heart issues and leading up to the draft. We were told basically he's gonna fall, but he's not gonna fall that much expect him to go round to maybe early round three that he went round five. And there wasn't very many teams that had him on their board. Right. So. Okay. John groups doesn't care about his right? And he doesn't end so Montus sweat granted. He's got less of a heart issue. But teams don't wanna take a guy in the top half of the first round that has any issues like that. Right. Granted it's not as big of a deal. They let him work out still they've been trying to downplay it, but I don't think it's crazy. To kind of think that he might fall in this draft that he might slide not not not Maria hers fifth round. Right. But maybe from you talking his range being the lions at eight probably not getting past Carolina at sixteen to maybe starting thinking, maybe in the early twenties mid twenties. Maybe he's twenty nine any. No that would like throw a complete wrench in this entire thing too. I mean, Montas switz- ability. I I read today at least four teams have him off their board. Right. And that's and that's kind of what I was going off of of just like, duh DO teams freak out about this stuff. If you're going to pour this type of capital into anyone. Yeah. You need to check pretty much all the boxes. Yeah. No. I honestly think medical red flag is bigger than a character. Red flag in a lot of instances 'cause yeah. 'cause teams are going to think. Well, this guy he's nineteen twenty twenty one years old. He's going to grow up medical issues. You don't just say he'll grow out of it, your heart. Growing out of that issue. Always gonna have it. Right. No. You're not wrong, man. I mean, I could see it in like you saw what happened Murray's? I last year. Let's get let's jump into some day three prospects. We've been kind of doing that every single week on this show. We're gonna continue that. What's your what's your guy this week? So my guy is a wide receiver out of Syracuse. His name is Jamal Custos. He is a six four two hundred fourteen pound receiver was not really able to stay healthy the majority of his career at Syracuse. He did stay healthy his senior year ended up with fifty one or sections nine hundred six yards and six touchdowns. He is just the type of dude I call him. He's Akeem Butler light is what he is. He has great athletic tests. The I mean, here's a four five guys hundred twenty four broad just a really good athlete for that size ongoing to go ahead and read my how he fits with the chiefs just because on the Casey draft rates. It's a sexy right up. I like it deep voice. Yes. So it says Jamal is the definition of a lottery pick. There's a lots of like his game reminds me of Hakeem Butler undoubtedly go much higher than him. If that she is cheeser interested in that type of player Custos could be had at a much lower value. And while his learning curve is much steeper. He is the type of guy that may end up being a better pro than he was a collegiate player if his injuries are behind him. He may be worth a late round flyer. That was that was beautiful well done. He could be you know, kind of that, you know, if you're trying to get a big body guy. I mean, and you wanna try to find value late? You make sense my guy, Tony Pollard, the running back from Memphis is your any back. Right. I mean, that's kind of that's kind of the question Mark, I've been kind of targeting and profiling some of these pass catching running backs, and this is a guy that kind of fits in that mall to if you're looking to try to add more dynamic pass catching ability to your running back room. Tony about Tony might be a guy day three that makes a little bit more sense. Like that. I don't think he he's kinda like James Williams where I think he's more of a pass catcher. Then he's out runner. Yeah. He's a runner. He could be he he's a slot reciprocally slot receiver too. So like you've kind of got those pass catcher traits at the running back positions. Kind of you know, you know, stuck in between. So that's a guy that you take a look at from Memphis. Daryl Henderson gets all the love. But Tony Pollard was good to also this last year as I was falling in love with Anthony Miller. I kept. Going back to who's who's this number one. Is that Anthony NAS Anthony Miller that's a guy named Tony Pollard? He is he's a fun player player. So one thing that we thought we would do this week. And we did it actually we did this draft on Friday. Last friday. We went ahead, and we took each me, Jake, Craig Matt all took eleven players that we think will be drafted in any round by the Kansas City Chiefs. So we're just it's kind of fun exercises. See how many we can get who can get the most. We all kind of came at it from different angles in different logic points. And so I think like there's some there's some kind of like it's not always necessarily like players we necessarily love like I'll explain here in a second some players on here. I didn't really like, but you'll get the reason why did a minute. So we also turns did a snake style draft like you do with your fancy dress. And we took eleven players each, and I'm just going to list off all of my and then I'll. Stop it a couple and kind of explain a lot of these names are players. We've talked about a lot. So here here's where I went. This is an order. I went rock Yaas in. I went Byron Murphy. I'm sorry. Bhairon Murphy in part of the reason I did that was because I wanted those fringe round one round two kind of quarterbacks. And I think Brett vs kinda showed his cars a little bit talking about the strength of the top one hundred players at the cornerback position. So I think I feel good about that. Byron Murphy went on a visit shortly after that, two Darnell savage. I went this AD from Maryland. I went with Charles and many Hugh the edge from Texas. I went and grabbed Lonnie Johnson. And I went and grabbed a another text another Kentucky player later in the draft. Cause I'm trying to make that Matt house connection. That's kind of my strategies, I try to grab a couple Kentucky players Stony talkie. Linebacker from BYU? Holly warring tied in from San Diego State who wound up taking visit this week to Jake. And then I mean. Like, I figured there. Then I took Mike Edwards a safety from Kentucky. I don't like him. I could see them taking a late round flyer on a Kentucky product if Matt how slack. I'm just swinging swinging for the Kentucky fences Bruce Anderson, the running back from North Dakota state's Mike we were out. We'll route. Well, yeah, we'll maybe we'll tell you a story after the draft. Maybe maybe we'll tell you Bruce Anderson story after the draft happen. The Michael the linemen from Wisconsin. And then I went with tristen hill the interior defensive linemen from UCF. Okay. My you can kind of get an idea of my logic. I'm banking on early cornerback some of the Kentucky connections, and maybe another connection there. We'll talk about after the draft Jake. I think your best big is Lonnie Johnson. I'm scared about that. Because like I liked Lonnie Johnson. I don't love Lonnie Johnson. He would be like my seven best pick. Oh, I went. I went after guys that she's gonna take is what what I after. Yeah. Take Jalen Ferguson. No. So my first pick is I kind of unblinking on each trading up and a lot of people didn't really go get that guy. I mean, some of us kind of did. But the guy if they trade up, I think it's for Cleveland Farrell who also how do you say his name? I've heard so many people say if it's clothing Ferral clone rural and referral. And no, it's funny because we hear people talk about it. And it's like it's clear that they don't know how to say it. So you just kinda turns into clone of federal clinical, but the Edris you from Clemson. I think if they trade up that's a target for them another guy. I think is someone that we've targeted on this podcast Chauncey Gardner Johnson. Who talking about him later, which maybe some prizes some surprises in the draft. He's a candidate for a guy that may surprise people. Another guy that I went ahead and picked is foster Moreau the tight end from LSU. He just seems like a chief guy. Everybody's favorite center Garrett bradberry. The reason I picked him is because loss to wanted to guys too. Because if it happens points for it, and you guys are mad of the double mad about it. So you're trolling is wonderful. But also, there's a legit chance. If you falls they might take him. And I mean, if you falls I think he's going to go higher than twenty nine another guy that just seems like a chief to me is Anthony Nelson. Edged from Iowa, Sean bunting the corner from central Michigan pick because he visited this week to. Oh, he did. Yeah. So I mean, good job Zack, Allan the. Guy from Boston College. I don't know what you wanna call him. I guess you'd probably play end in their system yet. Holly. I think there's interest there. Here's my dark horse twenty ninth overall tick, which this isn't just trolling you this is I think there's some actual smoke. Here is L J Collier, the TCU de end. That would just that would be very brilliant speaks in pick would say it would put. I mean, which is why it also might make sense. Another guy is Cory Ballantyne. The guy right down the street right down the street from Washburn. So he's a guy that may be a late round flyer. Type dude. Dexter Williams running back from Notre Dame's troll me. Well, his last name also Williams plays running back, you Williams deals. So why not and the last pick is to troll everyone and that's Magai east and stick the quarterback North Dakota state university. Let me I also picked him. So I have a platform to just talk about him for a second. Now, I get so much crap. Because on the eastern stick fan. And like, I'm a Homer. I totally admit I am. But here's the thing. These guys give me crap because I say, I think eastern stick can be a backup in the NFL guy. Af you can be a backup. No. He's going to be a backup in the NFL. Number of years hidden trace McSorley on the same career path. They're going to try they're going to be in camp as a quarterback. And then they're going to go play running back or something that's going to happen. Do you wanna bet right now that you stick has a longer career quarterback than trace McSorley? I don't I don't like trades McSorley either. That's not what I asked you. I don't want what I asked. I don't I don't I don't think either of them have a long career. It could be like one month versus two months. Like, I just know. So you think trace McSorley is gonna get cut in the middle of the camp. And I really at the end, I think both of these guys know can't hedging right now because trace is gonna get switched to safety right away. Both be in the league for ten years. He's the next Doug Peterson is what he is. He's just going to back up Patrick Mahomes for twelve years never really get to play. Just be the smartest guy in the room. And go on to have a very successful NFL head coaching career. You heard it here. First Gardner Minhsiu is in the building this week too. So I think that's meant to. Mint. Okay. We're we're going to bring Maddie in to talk about his living players that he took. Then we'll have Craig on. Then we'll close this thing out with a mail bag, but we'll be back right after this. Beyond saying, Arianna 'Grande and Drake are talked about ad nauseam as celebrities. But there's one thing that's rarely discussed their music on switched on pop. We go deep into the sounds of pop music to explain what it means how it's made. And why it's so effective. We talked with some of today's greatest artists producers journalists to decode the musical logic behind our modern soundtrack and understand its role in our culture. Switched on pop. 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We got this player pool that we we've been going through draft in we drafted forty four players, and Mattie, I want you to talk a little bit about your eleven your strategy for doing it. Maybe stop along the list and just talk about a couple guys. You wanna profile? Yes, you're going in like we taking forty four players. And the odds of anyone parson to me getting any of these right at best you're gonna get one to two, and if somebody has an otherworldly, guess, you get three guys. So my thought process was not to get as many guys as possible. But literally to just make sure that I get to maybe three guys if I'm lucky I'll just shooting for a low number. So I actually attacked a bunch of the same positions because I wanted to make sure that I was going to get that so position that I felt comfortable with the chiefs going to go after I got as many players there as I possibly could. So going down my list here, I took Jerry Tillery and now's my only guy that I was thinking about kind of. He's a first show player. He happened to just be visiting that she around then. So I just take a shot at him and my first pick. But then after that, we got a monetary warrior Justin lane, the Andre Baker Joon Williams, and then one Thornhill and they're all defensive backs even Thornhill could potentially play corner. So my thought process was get as many corners as I can every time. It was my turn to pick. I was making sure of one of my two picks a cornerback. Just so the fact that I could spread out his many guys as I could. And the other thing is all these guys could go in multiple routes. None of them were locked first round pick right or second round picks just shocked approach getting as many corners as we could that could go in many possible picks. So I have three picks pretty much for all these guys to go between the first round and the end of the second round. And the other position I went after was wide receiver with a keen Butler Hollywood Brown deebo Samuel. Now. I'm a little lower on Hollywood Brown. The most people we haven't talked about a much podcast. I think he weighs as much as a middle schooler. And I just don't. No how you trust drafting him in the NFL where you play with giants. He already flies around like he's made out of paper machine when he gets hit in college in the big twelve even but here's the thing that she's May-like him. He's there at the end of the first round the end of the second round, you might want him. Yeah. I think that weird thing about Hollywood Brown is, you know, Dana Jeremiah the other day, I think it was j you talking about like injury concerns with someone like de que Metcalf in like almost not even acknowledging like Hollywood Brown is coming off a list Frank injury. He weighs one hundred sixty pounds and people should be paying talking more about injury concerns with him put it they're more just talking about his recovery than his propensity potential to get hurt down the road. Because he's never heard. This is is here's the thing that like everybody talks about his medical recheck being great. What's a great? Liz Franck injury medical recheck like it's no longer broken. That's awesome. But it's still compromised, and it's an injury that historically has apt athleticism from plasma now that ton but players suffer less Franck injuries has storage. We come back a little bit less of athletic performers. So why is it God survives like almost entirely on his ability to be a better athlete than guys? Plus being small not a big concern to people just don't get why. When you're only comp and the NFL it's been successful. In terms of like a high end receivers. Sean Jackson, the only comp. Because guys that suffer those injuries are usually like two hundred plus pounds, and that's a ton of stress on their feet. Luckily, Hollywood weighs ninety eight pounds. He's like a feather out there. More Liz game series. Nothing issue. Your middle school nothing left. Nothing left. So I want to say I rounded it out with to defensive ends. So we got bend Minogue at TCU guy. We haven't talked about enough. I don't think since the senior bowl just because he kinda got an off ball rolled out at the senior bowl in mobile. They had them play off ball linebacker and his best reps definitely came when they allowed them to rush the passer and many teams are looking at him as an awful linebacker. He's either three four outside linebacker or he started to add some weight and this kind of draft process, and he's still super-athlete, Nick. So sitting down to play DNA is a great one. And then everybody knows I had to get my guy porter Guston in here. So we just put two deans at the end of the list for kind of late day to day three picks. Same thing multiple rounds for these guys we're going multiple rounds. Same positions. You and I kind of find funny, Mattie. You have a vendetta against day three picks. And you I don't know if you have very many day three picks in this group. It's like very fitting for your whole draft philosophy in general like maybe one of these guys maybe two of these guys wind up going day. Three maybe. Yeah. No. That was the thing. I was shooting for guys that could go anywhere from pick twenty nine to pick ninety two. I think all my guys phone that range. Besides maybe porter Guston would be the one guy, and that's only because injuring risks. When you get to third day. How am I supposed to protect someone that the chiefs are going to like it's going to be there in the one hundred fifties? That's a lot of picks. Gotta go beforehand. Isn't it seemed worth my time to take three guys except for port Augusta. And because I mean again, he's Puerto Gusta. Nad is gonna know one hundred percent without a doubt if he has won this competition or not my Saturday. No by Thursday night right now. Of course, he's very. One thing. I wanna thank kinda thought about this whole contest is like I didn't really wanna take too many receivers. Just because there's so many receivers that get drafted, you know, it's like that's one of the things that kind of took into consideration too is like there's a lot of receives that are gonna get taken off the board. So your chances of hitting on that position. Just from a numbers perspective kind of wondered if if that even made sense, maybe I should went with offensive lineman. That's that's actually, that's funny. You say that because I didn't take a receiver either. And I had the exact same thought process. I was like there are twenty five receivers graded about the exact same way in this draft class and the fat. And the odds of me picking the one that she's like is not good. So how I narrow that down since I didn't go under see though, I took guys that I think would be there at twenty nine. But also heard some rumors of them falling kind of the later second. So if you see Akeem Butler Hollywood Brown or deebo Samuel go at twenty nine. Maybe some people think it's a bit of a reach. But it's not crazy. But at the same time, you can flip over to another mock draft and see anyone if not all three of them going at the end of the second. That's why felt comfortable with those three as I was kinda targeting specific range. I agree after that's kind of my day philosophy wide receivers. They're so many picks getting the right one to the chiefs would just be near impossible. Okay. Well, we know you hate day three players and day three of the draft in general. How about you give me a day three prospect sauce, like he's he's got a lot of juice names, porno Guston? He's a defensive end for USC. I'm kidding. I'm not gonna talk about Puerto Guston again here. We're going to go with Armand watts. He's an interior defensive lineman at Arkansas, he's kind of like the opposite of what I usually go to for into your defensive linemen. He's not super explosive. He's not the most dynamic player. But he's a guy that wins with this technique and kind of strength for a guy that does have great lateral agility. He's got an awesome club into a writ move, and he can really turn a tight corner. Somehow when you watch a move in space. I don't get it. But when he's connected to alignment he can make that tight turn on the interior gets a lot of pressure. He was a one year starter for Arkansas. So not really sure if he was just a late bloomer or if he really started to put it together lateness career, but he had a monster senior year. He looked great. When I watch them on film. He actually had a really good game against Alabama. He was given their interior offense of a lot of fits. So he's a super technical very strong player that I think in the NFL he's going to make a name for himself. Don't know if you've ever be a star. But I love his technique and just his hand usage come through on the inside is an. Year pass rusher. That's Mattie lane. Thanks for joining us. But thank you guys. Get going till next Thursday where I win everybody. Neil Patel editor and chief of the verge and this is the verge cast. I is the flagship podcast the verge every week. We cover the latest Intech news and reviews we took a critical look at what is going on now. And next in the world of tech show hosted by me, our executive editor debone, not your friend and Paul Miller. It just feels like there's something wrong with all computers, though. Don't you think that sometimes we do that on Fridays and on Tuesdays interview episode IV in talking to all kinds of influential people in around the world attack. We talked to Microsoft founder Bill Gates about his film throughout the efforts. 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As we were just discussing it. It's not going to be the Michael Jordan flew game. It's going to be the Bill Wennington flu game. It's going to be bad. It's going to be what normal human being would be like if they had the flu, and we're trying to go out, and and perform at a high level, it's not gonna happen. What type of liquors? Do you have like, I'm sure you've you have you. Just ponder it like wander out to the garden and pick some herbs and mash together and sprays. You're still sick at the at the risk of alienating some of our our listeners that might be a medicinal herb and oil people. I'm I'm gonna dodge that question the second time this week that we have made that joke. We made it on the laboratory. Sorry. No. This is great. It's wonderful. We just the whole thing is just making Craig uncomfortable. It's beautiful Craig. I hope you're not uncomfortable on your first in studio experience with me and Jay Bingley on six ten for the first round of the NFL draft. Oh my goodness. It's going to be great. You guys. It's going to be so good. We're going to draft a player that can't hate and fear him like, and I'll make sure to get video of him as well. And you gotta just here the way he's going to react win. Jalen Ferguson in at twenty nine. He's gonna love it. And you're gonna love it to what's the what's going to be really funny is I'm going to be there as well. You just won't get to hear my voice. But when that happens when you hear the guy just laughing hysterically in the background. That'll be me. Yeah. I think Jalen Ferguson's nickname for me is Jay talk note. Every time. Someone says Jalen Ferguson's name an audible gasp. Okay. For him in the third round, buddy. Craig I want you go ahead and just give us the eleven players that you drafted in our chiefs draft pool draft. And if you wanna stop wherever you wanna stop bio means there's a logic to why you made some of these picks. Go ahead. Yeah. This is the correct one in case one this is this is the right one. This is the winning entry here. I'm going to get like one of these right knee. None of the rest of these guys gonna get any right? So. I started off. I had the first pick in the draft if we can feel back the curtain a little bit here and rather than going with the obvious of like Cleland feral, I went with Jeffrey Simmons because I know that he's been on a visit with the chiefs. I know that he's an insane talent. And we know that Br ve each likes, you know, tearing guys putting guys into pockets and trying to get the most value that he possibly can Jeff Simmons defensive tackle makes a lot of sense at twenty nine I so I started with him followed it up with Cornerbacks raven. You said you wanted to go with what wasn't the most obvious choice. And that was some shade at my pick Cloonan verbal and Galileo once said, no, no, no, sometimes the most obvious pick is still the correct one. Or galley or really say that is that Kelly draft philosophy. I think that was great Popovich. Up just here for j making up every single quote in the book about Galileo miss one hundred percent of the shots. You don't take gal? Can pick Clinton cornerback Trayvon Molen? He's a guy that makes a lot of sense could play pressman off man zone. He's a guy that fits with spags. And they they've talked about house bags really been pouring over the secondary guys. He's a guy that I think in round two a prime target third pick kids favorite guy ever. I I'm going out here round three. Jalen. Ferguson makes a ton of sense. He fits all of the criteria that Steve bag Nola. Once he was duck. Give is all get out in the NC double A Craig is one of his criteria A, plus eight second three cone. Well, I don't believe that he's ever had to draft somebody with that sort of criteria. But that didn't really through plus eight three in the future. Yes, I'm here for it. Just draft all the guys just to give underpin skin. Yeah. Then after that wide receiver Kelvin Harman another guy that maybe they could look at in round two. He's his kind of values up in the air little bit. He might be guy that falls in around two and the chiefs I think are going to target a wide receiver in day to and Brit Vija made a point of saying that the wide receiver and tight in class has kind of this pocket of value in rounds. Two three four harm and could be a guy that they try and target. They're another guy that they could try and target in round three. Jay stern burger tight end. I know he's like everybody's favourite tight end right now. Everybody's kind of all over music. Good player. He's he's got a lot of good football and visiting recently. Yes, visiting we recently we did this before we saw these recent visits to like I had a really good week with some of these guys you had a good week here as well. Yes. Feeling who's been filling the stern for a while? A while though, Jay Cuban film, the stern Benfield the stir sometime feel as much feel the stern down deep inside. Right. I don't have this turning desire to take stern Jake. You might want to get that checked out. Another another guy like round two three edge as you'll notice. A lot of these guys in this range, I targeted trying to hit on something in that day to range Connor McGovern who's an interior offense of lineman. I I am not on board necessarily with drafting Garrett bradberry round one. But mcgovern's that guy that makes a lot of sense in round two. He's really good player. I don't think the drop off is that massive from bradberry McGovern. And he would we haven't talked a lot about him. But he's a very good football player. Very good. He he's a guy that would slot in and start probably day one. Yes. And and if you're getting that kind of value in round two, I mean, that's kind of the argument for taking bradberry that earlier that you're getting a good talents going to be able to have an impact immediately. I think McGovern is that type of guy as well. Then I started moving towards, you know. Some of these day three picks. Daryl Henderson running back. I think the chiefs are going to target a running back at some point. I think if he falls for enough he makes a lot of sense. I think the like him quite a bit Germain Pratt linebacker. I he he's a long guy that played safeties guy that we saw at the senior bowl. He kind of directed traffic a little bit of the senior bowl. He he showed. Maybe he's got some the mental side already. He's still a little stiff he still needs a lot of work kind of transitioning from safety to linebacker, but he can cover and that's a guy in today's NFL. You gotta have guys that can cover another late wide receiver that guy that we've talked a little bit about recently Keelan dos. No, Jake loves him. But I think he's a guy that coming in. Here would be able to have an immediate impact. I think he could compete for that wide receiver three spot almost immediately. And then we can. Get to my day three sleeper of the week. Who also was one of my drafted guys Cody Barton out of Utah. He is a Sam candidate for the chiefs. I know I see the way that chiefs fans interact with my tweets my post on aero head pride. If I talk about Sam, you guys are interested like you guys are feverish to find Sam this is a guy in day three maybe in round five or six that could be a guy and come in and be a backup and transition to a rush Sam he he's a little bit older, but he and his brothers actually in this draft class as well as an offense of tackle it's weird dichotomy there, but yeah, but he he played at edged Mike, and will those are kind of the type of guys that they're looking for as that Sam spot to be able to cover at the edge and Russia. Passer. I like him a lot. He's one of my guys. And I I would be ecstatic with him late in the draft. That's Craig style. Thanks for joining us, bud. Thanks. And we're going to close these thing out with the mail bag. Thank you all for your questions as usual McCarty ninety two asks opinions on rock Yaas in or Lonnie Johnson at the choice at nine twenty nine. I would not be a fan of either of those players at twenty nine if those are your options I'd move back and just try to play with that that tier corners. You know, maybe six seven eight picks later know about you Jake draft route the fall certain way too. To make me. Happy was rock. They got stuck in that lawn. You of that twenty lawn. I understand why like if if the chief took Lonnie Johnson, the logic would be that house knows them better than anyone. He's long he tested through the roof. He did he'd tested great for his size, and those would be kind of the logic. But I just I can't get behind that. I think there's a lot of a lot more better corners out there in this class. Lola McGee asks if used correctly with an actual good quarterback can decay dick Metcalf, be another baby mega Tron. I think that's the that's the dream, right? That's the that's he's a swing for the fences. And if you can see I think, that's that's your that's your ceiling. Isn't that wasn't that your comp in the draft guide for him? Was it was it was it Calvin Johnson Calvin Johnson's mine for a lot of T O comparisons. As well. I got to know they're good one could see that. Maybe even a Julio Jones like, and those are three just big athletic physical receivers that I think decay is if and like he says there's an actual good quarterback. Sure. Like, absolutely I think that could be that could be thing. He came make cath could be a top five receive in the next two years. He has that upside he could also be hot of the league and four some people were talking about Josh, Gordon. Cops to I've seen that in similar production at the college level some of that kind of stuff. I I could see it. I could see it a little bit rich rep new ski asks do you see the cheese taking two linebackers in this draft, maybe Gilani to buy or Sioni Taki Taki? So I don't know if they're gonna take two linebackers in this rep, I would kind of lean towards no if you listen to Britain visas press conference, which I suggest you do you might be able to read between the lines a little bit on some stuff didn't seem to thrilled with the linebacker classes, a whole. So if that's the case, you know, what if they're just planning on going with undrafted free agent types at linebacker. I could see them kind of trying to do that to fill in the gaps. Yeah. And they have so much invested at the linebacker position already. And after those first two guys if you're a MAC Wilson fan, maybe three after those guys they're like we've talked about that before they're all kind of in that same boat between second round to draft a guys I'd rather just take swings at guide camp guys for sure. And if you remember the chiefs two thousand nineteen fourth round pick is a linebacker is Reggie Ragland. So not great will Amos asks how high would you be willing to trade up for a tier one edged talent. I think you know, if the if the edge market gets crazy, I'd give up one of my seconds to move up. So I mean, that's that's eighteen ish about as high. As I go who your to your one edged talent is Ferrell Jiro one. I would still consider fail to your in that gray area fringing on the outside. It's your one for me. But like if we talked earlier sweat starts falling and they love him, and they don't care about the heart thing. Sure here. Here's the thing for music. I if you gave me the choice between Colin Farrell and Montas sweat. I pick furled ten times ten I like Farrell I like his tape. I think fails one of the twelve best players in this entire class. Sweat top twenty top twenty five for me. I don't I don't get the sweat hype as much as other people. Do I I think so I think I tape is better than sweats. I do but sweat is a freak of an athlete, and he was productive in college. And you put those two things together those guys to don't miss. I mean, you're not wrong. I mean, those those kind of profiles do hit. You're right. I just. I still I just don't trust the tape that much honestly. But I get what you're saying in, you know, we've talked about density adjusted athleticism sweat has it in spades. He's elise. So you're right. Those guys don't typically fail who is yo- asks what if Josh Jacobs the running back from Alabama is there at twenty nine. I don't I don't take him. Cool. Yeah. I mean, I just I can't do it. There's too many issues on this team for them to be addressing the running back position very much in the camp of no, no running back around one ever know. I don't care that she's have value at running back with a guy. They signed off the streets that got cut and Carlos Hyde in undrafted free agent in the past in Damian Wilson and undrafted free agent in Daryl Williams, they're fine. They're just fine. They've got enough. The only time you take a running back in round one is if you are like the raiders, and you have three first round picks, and you're trying to build something and you need like an immediate impact guy running backs can be that. Yeah. But in that even so is the best use of your assets. Probably not in my opinion. Just Jacobs is a good player. He's running back. Giving him in the second round McCarthy McCarthy nineteen eighty-two asks your feelings on what the cheese might do on Thursday different any now after the the preempt predator got hot take your real. I listen to the presser. The chiefs are gonna take someone who they think is a good deal. I need you go in there. That's what they're going to do. Great. Take jake. Great. Jay, I nothing to I think there's much. I know you love the speculate on press conferences like to play the game. Hang on everywhere. They say, but if Brett VH is is is is the man is the GM if he's given away stuff in his presser the week before the draft den. I have I've issues with that. I don't think he's giving things away. I think organically, there are a few things that he will say that can give you hints at to where he values the board. That's an issue practice do better do battle. If there's things that you're Ganic giving away. You're not doing a good enough job at the podium if he thinks the cornerback class is good in rounds. One two and three I I would agree with that. It's good to know that he kinda sees that range those kind of things I just like to listen and see if there's anything I can glean from that. I think there's a path and he might be if he's good at his job. Maybe. Yeah. He's taking you down the wrong path. But I think you kind of hint through some of the things that he talked about he thinks the defensive line in the tackles in the quarterbacks are flying off border -ly that would be pretty good for the cheese. Maybe maybe an edge falls. But if not I mean tackles in quarterback he wants to do. Yeah. So maybe that's what he's trying to push maybe strategically he's trying to drum up interest. There say, hey, these quarterbacks are fine off the port publicly. You never know. But I mean, I don't think you can formulate a ton of opinions. But it was you know, he he did say he doesn't like the safety class. That'll be interesting to see if he was lying or not because I think there's some good day to safeties. So you know, if he's just trying to play the whole. The safety class sucks week safety class. Right. He's fine. Maybe I remember I remember one time on after day one of the draft. That John Dorsey got up there and this. I'll never forget this for some reason. He's like surprises. He's like. Yeah. I'm surprised Delvin cook stole on the board on day to day after the on his Thursday press conference. Like, okay. Are you just is is Delvin cook off your guys board, and you're just trying to get someone to take them? And you're just trying to push that narrative that he's just a great football player. I think about like it was very interesting. There's no way he actually wanted Delvin cook in that scenario. He's flat out said I'm surprised Alvin cook is still on the board. Maybe was I don't know. I love this. I love this kind of stuff. I think it's fun and at bare minimum I just like to play the game in my head whether or not I'm going down the right path or not I'm not like letting it formulate too many opinions. I just like to play the game in my head Raisch on Casey asks a race shink Casey asks feature mentioned how well Byron Pringle is doing this offseason. People forget he fed the entire led the entire country in your. Words per catch and college so with him in DaMarcus Robinson, Gary dealer. Do we really need another receiver unless it's someone spectacular? So yeah, I don't think you formulate your draft strategy based on Byron Pringle DaMarcus Robinson geared deeter. Those guys are not keeping you from making any moves at the receiver position. Even if you like their upside Byron Pringle got hurt last year. He missed the entire season because he got hurt late in the late in the preseason. Garrick deeter did not look like a world beater when he got on the field. Damarcus Robinson has some potential, but. All of his plays come out of structure. I don't know how much they actually trust him to run his route tree or to run the offense surprised if you got cut this year DaMarcus Robinson. Yeah. Would be would you just because they do have him in Pat do have a connection out of structure, and he made some big plays. Patrick mahomes. Fiftieth touchdown was on a broken play. That DaMarcus Robinson gave up on the curl route to quick through hand up. I'm open any made the play. So no, I do think especially in chaos DeMarcus Robinson him into a connection. But I mean, some of these other guys those guys aren't keeping you from making making move what I'm saying is if they do take wide receiver. I wouldn't be shocked if he's the odd man out if I would do like bring if they do like eater. I I would I would bet sizable amount of money that DaMarcus Robinson is on this team next year. Just they like they like his ability out of structure, they don't trust him with everything. I don't think. Structure. They're going to have a lot Patrick Mahomes out of structure. I mean, a lot of the big plays in the homes even singled him out in his press conference today or this week say that DaMarcus Roberson just has a way of finding open spots in some of these broken plays. Like there's like there's something about it. There's some science at the no look pass was DaMarcus Robinson catch Hiller Bret asks how do you feel? How would you feel about drafting Byron Murphy one Thornhill Andy Isabela in Blake Cashman with the first three round picks. Jake. How'd you feel about that draft? I think I'd pretty I think I'll go I'll let you think about it. Sorry for spring that on you. I think I would feel pretty good. I don't love Andy Isabela in Blake Cashman. But I've been talking about this a lot the last couple of weeks my bar to clear for me being happy with this draft. After last year's draft is very low and getting Byron Murphy, and one Thornhill is great any bills of fine player the values. Not quite great. For me. Blake Cashman, pretty good player. He's pretty good player too. But I love I would love to end up with one or hill and Byron Murphy with the first two picks. I just I like those players and getting to good players in this class. I actually like is like a happy draft for me. I can deal with everything else. I just wanna be happy about one pick this year because last year's draft. We all know how I felt about last year's. I was very underwhelmed. Yeah. It's like what I'm thinking about. His buyer. Murphy would be a slam dunk. I would love that pick at twenty nine want on hill. Hey, I'm Darnell savage guy. I don't understand you want or hill. Maybe seven was off the border already probably better. Closys. I'm with you. I would be underwhelmed with that. I'm not a huge Andy Isabella guy, Blake Cashman is like a fun story. But the Jews got too bad shoulders, and that's a tough. That's a tough thing for a linebacker. Oh recom-. Like, that's a tough thing to see a guy with Tibo shoulders to play that position to make it to a second contract. Honestly. So you would hope that your top one hundred picture has a second contract. I get you. So I would be pretty I'd be happy with that. I guess, but I'd be add have questions about Isabela. Just because I'm not a big fan. Not saying I don't think he's going to be a good player kinda the same with Blake Cashman, which when you get to the third Brown and beyond. I guess that's kind of how it is. So I don't know us though. Whereas he asks the biggest surprise in the first round that nobody's talking about that could happen. I mean, you said L J Collier earlier did tied. His Howard has been getting a lot of buzz late, which I think would be a little crazy weird though. Because I I was thinking about him too because he's just kinda someone glossed over and we've talked about him use a guy that stood out to us at the senior level because he's got the tools. Yeah. There's no question about that is a backup. Cores a walk on quarterback on quarterback tight end that they're like, hey, play gore. Okay. Hey, play tackle. Okay. So, but when you go back and look at going back and looking at like Daniel Jeremiah's like top one hundred he's always had him in the top fifty. Might be more highly regarded than we than we in the we think that we've kind of just glossed over. I don't I wouldn't be super surprised to see him. Go late round one. Another exciting thing that I think is might happen. Is people talk about there's been a lot of buzz while something crazy happened in the top ten. Yeah. This year. So you think about case? So what's crazy? What what would happen? That's crazy. Chauncey garner Johnson. Right, zinc. Like, there's not a safety. It's gonna go high in this class 'cause this week safety class who is safety that could go in that range, probably Johnson, garnered Johnson would be the guy that would not surprise me to see him like ability in the nickel like Denver like Denver's love drew at product. But what you know what I mean? That would be crazy. They've been Andrea lot. They lie. Oh, boom. They take Johnson Johnson. The lines would be another guy in other team. That's like, wow. The Jaguars are another team that hey, let's just add another stood cover guy to that. Secondary. So I mean, that's gonna happen. That would be my guess at like something crazy happened in the top ten and he would be my pick for a guy that might slide in that high. I think is going to happen. Like, if I'm throwing like, hey, what's what what do you think the crazy thing in the top ten is going to be that would be if I had one guest that would be like Daniel Jones as QB to off the board about Daniel Jones going six to the giants won. I could see it happening one not. Daniel Jones six deal Jones at six to the giants because the connection the cut cliff connection Gettleman seems like a guy that loves himself some good play fakes and Jim Nagy's been saying it forever months. The NFL is way higher on Daniel Jones than any of us schmucks in the Twitter. Verse are I don't hate Jones. He's Mike three I like. Good high-grade on. But I'll tell you something so Bucky Brooks Daniel, Jeremiah do their three sixty where they will like go in depth on each player. They'll talk to their parents, their siblings or high school coaches all that stuff. Listen to Daniel Jones in come away. Not a fan of his he just has the right stuff. It would appear to. Boxy whatever that is. But he seems like a quarterback. I don't disagree boxes. And I think like I think from a guy that like the little things small details about the game. I think he pays attention to. And I think he's very committed. Like, he's kinda got that Peyton Manning obsessive nece about his mechanics and stuff some play fakes and all that kind of stuff the mechanics of the game. I I I think that dude I've seen that dude. Hang in the pocket, and and deliver balls with like the town around him was just cheeks you know, how many guys have been drafted. He's played with. Offense zero zero no one I'm not surprised. I I'm not surprised. So Cal eleven eighty six asked. How does the VH press conference change your expectation for day one or two, and I don't know if it changes anything do we talk about this? Yeah, we did. But someone asked it again. And I got a heartache. No one's listening. Anyway, that's going to do it for this week's episode. Thank you guys for listening. 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Steelers Burning Question: Your Steelers wish list for the 2019 NFL Draft

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Steelers Burning Question: Your Steelers wish list for the 2019 NFL Draft

"Pittsburgh Steeler fans. What's going on? This is Jeff Hartmann editor of behind the steel curtain dot com. With another episode of the Steelers burning question, it's been awhile since I've been on. But I almost feel like I should be reciting a poem tonight a poem that is towards the night before the NFL draft. And all football fans were snuggled. I'm not gonna go through the whole thing. You get what I'm talking about. I got a text message from days Scofield, who's a co host of mine on this Jewish preview will be on live tomorrow night. Nick, she check us out live on YouTube. And of course, all of our podcasts via audio form as well. But he said does anyone else feel like this is Christmas Eve, and I responded with? Yeah. In a way is really busy weekend for the website. You're glued to the television. That's not always the best thing when you have a family. I five young kids. Don't always understand why have to sit down and you're on the computer the whole time. But anyways, I digress. It is an exciting time for football fans. And because he brought. Up, you know, the whole Christmas theme, and you're excited is the night before you want to know what's going to happen. You know, what player you want to know what player you're gonna get? I decided what if I did and NFL draft wishlist. Now, again, this is not a mock draft. I'm not predicting who the Steelers will get this is kind of like a what round what position MED some players not all players. Where would I want the Steelers to target? If I were the one that were if I were making my wish like a a wishlist that you have to say, no clause. You know, you're you're writing down. I hope I get a huffy bike, or I hope I get a brand new basketball or you know, one of those are as a kid. He's always want one of those four wheelers those battery powered four wheelers that you know, you always tell the commercials for. But anyways, it it's one of those things that. I thought it would be pertinent, and we're going to get this news am I have time for your questions at the end of the show. So the NFL draft wishlist, I would like if you're watching live in YouTube right now. If you're watching live on YouTube, and I'm reading a couple of comments ready in the in the live, Chad, please let me know what your wishlist is let let me give you an example. We're going to go round by round. And I'm gonna say they give cage. Why would I want this pick to be defense? I want this pick to be offense. Maybe a couple of players them looking at in that particular round again. I don't really know how it's gonna play out for instance, we've seen mock drafts if you trust mock drafts if you put any stock in mock drafts if you put any stock into that stuff you've seen some mock draft Devon Bush still available at twenty. So you can change a lot of stuff. So if you're in the live chat right now, go ahead, and let us know let me know. But your wishlist would be there's mind, okay? Round one. I've gone back and forth with this in lands. Did a couple of episodes ago on his? Yeah, I said it show which his lap. Let me take a quick sidebar the one that rain yesterday about how the Steelers shouldn't reach for one of the Devon's in my opinion was possibly his best show to date. If you haven't heard it yet. It's only thirteen minutes in length. It is really really good. He has great stats gr-. A great opinions. It's not just him hating on the Steelers. It's very very logical. And after you, listen to it, you might change your mind with how your approaches when you're looking at how this first round could play out in terms of the inside linebackers. So if you haven't checked that out give my boy lands some props hits well worth a listen, check it out. So first round. I like I said I thought about going offense. I wouldn't be shocked if they go off as but I still think there should be a defensive pick. And for me if Farrell from Clemson is around I think you take him but decrees in his fifth year off. Option. You're looking at a situation. Where is he the answer? You don't know Farrell's more productive than it's an easy answer TJ, while we note, he can do or Byron Murphy or a cornerback even de'andre Baker. Although I don't think he's really a first round talent, greedy Williams, you could convince me of him possibly, I think it should be a defensive tech. That's my wishlist. And if they go offense, I'm not going to be upset. But at the same time, I just feel like the defense is as more immediate needs as of right now in the second round the different story. The second round is where I think they need to go off. But I think they specifically need to go to a pass catcher. I don't really see a tight end on there that is going to be worthy of a second round pick. So for me, I'm looking at the wide receivers. Akeem Butler pops up a lot of people have pointed to the Notre Dame receiver his name escapes me. I apologize for that. But also I've seen some people say defensively, Darnell savage, the safety for mayor. Roland. There's a lot of people that are very very high on him. Some even have first round grades autumn. They as very instinctive, he's very fast, Jerry, physical amp just going to say that. I heard a Steelers beat writer today. Compare him not so much overall. But his instincts in his style of play to a number forty three they used to play for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Yes. That's Troy Paula Malu. I heard that knows taken aback because I'm thinking ways that you're comparing this kid to Troy Paul Malo, and he quickly backtracked and said lucky I I'm not saying he's the next Troy, he's I just see a lot of his game in the way that he attacked line of scrimmage in the way that he plays dangled his speed is pursuit and to then I understood that he was talking about. So that's another player. Now the third rounds where it gets really tricky for me. Because in the third round they have to draft picks. They have one very early from the Oakland Raiders, the Tony Brown trade. And then they have their stock third round pick as well. And I feel like these pick should be split between offense defense if you think. Year. They went all offense in the third round. That's where they picked up Szucs a core. Four an selected Mason Rudolph in the third round. I think this year they could definitely go with the defensive player. It could be a defensive lineman. There are some really good defensive lineman's in the second and third round. It could be a maybe it's an inside linebacker. You know, Germain Pratt is a guy that is a second third round talent a lot of people figure in in after listening to Lance. He brings up some really good points. As I listened to his show this morning about how you can find really good inside linebacker talent. And he rattles off a bunch of names of players that are all pro's pro bowlers really elite players at the position that weren't first round draft picks. He kind of really opened my mind. So I really feel like that should be split. Between offense and defense. Now when you get into the fourth fifth and sixth my gosh, they had three picks in the six round. I'm also assuming here folks, if you haven't figured it out yet that they are going to keep all ten now. I don't think that's going to happen personally. I could see them trading. Wave a fifth or even one or two their six round picks to move up in the second or third round. I just feel like in this draft class, and you may disagree. We're all entitled to our opinions in my opinion that the second and third round is just chock full of talent players that can play and they can play sooner rather than later into. I could see them trying to get back into those rounds by using some of their later round picks to move up into for me when you talk in fourth six in seventh round picks, especially in the fifth six and seven. I look at it and say, you know, this is something we've talked about with Brian Anthony Davis. Dave Scofield is do they really need ten more players on their roster into media answers resounding? No, they don't. They do have holes on the roster just like every NFL team does. But do they need ten players. I don't think so in so I'm at that point. I'm looking at okay. Where can they improve? If you're looking to upgrade like wide receiver or something like that. Then you're going to do that in the early rounds? People in my iphone to this trap to you fall in love with these late round picks and thing maybe this is the next Antonio Brown. And maybe this is a Tom Brady type or maybe this guy. I'll give you a perfect example for me, it's Tyler Medicaid. I mean when they drafted him at a temple in the seventh round, and they had the nickname dirty red everyone fell in love with the guy. And they thought this guy's this. This is the college award winner for tackles. And I think the Butkus award I could be wrong there. But you know, all this stuff this that and the other he's going to be the next inside linebacker, and it just didn't turn out to be. He's a special teams guy. He's a death piece. That's what they need to focus on in the later rounds. Because if there's one thing I've noticed is that. That the Steelers special teams is not good in a part of me thinks it's not good because they don't necessarily look for those type of players in the draft. Maybe they should start especially when you have three six round picks pick is that are known for their special teams play pick guys that are not going to necessarily have a any bigger role on offense or defense other than death and put them in there. Because for me, I look at it and say look at a guy like Marcus Allen. He is a death player. He is someone that Ken play defense. He is someone that is not going to be a starter unless there's a bunch of injuries ahead of him. But he's fast. He's ethnic. He can hit special teams guy. Those are the type of players that want to see in late round picks. I don't wanna get. I don't want everyone to think and say, you know, hey, he's kind of getting out of this. He's kind of getting out of this. I'm not picking individual players. It's more just philosophy here. It's more just philosophy. Is is hitting me up on the live chat about a New Jersey wants to give away. Yes. Email Dave Scofield's. He just said that we will get that hooked up, and that's awesome. We can give away a brand new juju Smith, Schuster jersey, and he wants to donate that. Absolutely. So quick side are there. So all right. That's my wishlist. I think that ultimately for me in the seventh for seven rounds. I wanted to be pretty even because the Steelers have needs on both sides of the football. I don't feel like this is a draft. Like we've had in the past where it should be predominantly defense. It's not a drafted should be predominantly offense. I feel like it should be very even in. I'm I am really excited for. One two three the top four rounds. Mainly the top three Thursday and Friday for me, you're going to be super exciting. Because I think that's where you're going to see the players where the Steelers could actually get legitimate players when I say legitimate players. I'm talking about people that can actually get on the field and play in year one. And it's I'm anxious to see do they get a cornerback. If they do get a cornerback. I love to see how that shakes up the depth chart was that mean for a guy like Cam Sutton or Brian Allen a dig a receiver. I think they will. But if they get a receiver. What does that mean for Ryan Switzer, Eli Rogers, Dante Moncrieff all these players that you have to wonder what's going to happen? Now, it's going to be some really good camp battles. Are they going to get some defensive line depth? Are they going to maybe maybe approach the offensive line in try to find some depth in the interior or even at tackle? There's entitled end. Didn't even mention tight end right now, they have Xavier grumble and vans McDonald. I find it hard to believe they're going to go into week one this year with just that. I just personally I find it hard to believe the same without. But you know, I say that. And then I think outside linebacker if you'd have said, Jeff e need to bet your house on something. It would I'd never would have guessed. They ever would have tried to go in entire NFL season with three Outside Linebackers in a three four scheme in. What did they do? They went with three they had TJ wide debris in Anthony Golo. That's it. Now Aladdin you was eventually activated later, but still he just don't know what's going to happen in. That's what the beauty of the NFL draft is I want I'll take a quick sidebar here to say, if you're just now listening to this show, if you just stumbled upon it with, you know, looking at YouTube, and you giggled Steelers or something like that. Or you found this on an audio platform just know that Thursday tomorrow night, we the Steelers. Preview will be on or going to try for a super show, folks. After the Steelers pick it's not going to be normal eight forty five nine o'clock nine thirty. It's going to be whenever the Steelers pick. So the Steelers trade up, let's say they trade up to eight and draft Devon white ones. My duties as debtor are done. I we're going to get on YouTube live, and we want to hear from you. We're gonna give our take on it. And we're going to do that after every day not every pick. 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On pop on apple podcasts Spotify or your favorite podcast app to get episodes. Every tuesday. Let's talk about something else. Ben Rothlisberger extension today. It happened yesterday. In terms of the news breaking the Steelers wanted to get this deal done prior to the NFL draft. And that makes sense. You wanna get your quarterback locked up? You wanna make sure that's done that will you know, you have the funds to sign your rookies. And that's it. And you really you're taking care of me. He's might see how much money you have left after he signed him say ways today Wednesday. They actually went out and they got a two year extension done with Ben Rothlisberger. And I know that the details have been released. I know the ballpark figures. I don't have them in front of me. He has I want to say a lot of guaranteed money. He's going to be making the second year about thirty million roughly year, and after I talked to Simon who is a major contributor for the website. And I'm on my number twos. So to speak. He's you know with Kirk cousins getting twenty eight and Russell Wilson getting thirty five and Aaron Rodgers thirty three and a half it make. Sense Rosberg will get about thirty per year. And so a lot of people were for instance, I did a radio show in San Diego today. And they asked you a will you think about them tying up that much salary cap space to Ben Rothlisberger will for my first reaction. Was there already given him over twenty six ready? So it's not that big of a difference in the next year. Antonio Brown's contract will be off the books which gives them a lot of space. I just don't think it's that big of a deal in terms of the salary cab. And it'll be interesting to to see how this through how the next three years play out. Okay. I ask myself questions like what if the Steelers were to win a Super Bowl in twenty twenty or even twenty nineteen one if they were to win a super of Ben Rothlisberger. Do would he come back in honor his contract would he pull John Elway and ride off into the sunset holding a Lombardi trophy. These are questions that run through my head all the time. And my next question in if you're listening, if you're a listener to the show, you know, that I do like Mason Rudolph a lot as a player. I think he's going to be. I think he has the potential that will put it that way. I think he has the potential to be a really good quarterback in this league. But he's no one's ever seen it yet. So what does this mean is an article I'm going to publish tomorrow for the website almost finished with it? So I sat down I thought it was what does this mean for Mason Rudolph. So Ben Rothlisberger is locked up to the twenty twenty twenty one season. And that is the final year of Mason Rudolph rookie contract. This kind of plays out which let me stop for a second and say that I I was shocked that Roth is for only got a two year extension. Maybe that was his doing. Maybe he said, look, I got three years left after that. I'm done. I don't wanna play anymore after that. Or if that's the case, maybe we'll go year by year. I was expecting a three year extension. I think most people. Are expecting a three year extension, but as just too and so now, I'm looking at okay. What does this mean for Mason Rudolph or potentially Joshua Dodds? Joshua Dobbs will be a free agent after the twenty twenty season because he was drafted year before Rudolph. But let's just talk about route offer second let's say the Steelers have seen enough from him both in their facility behind closed doors and in the preseason, maybe even in time, they if there's an injury or as a blow out, and he gets them wraps. He has yet to see real game action in the National Football League. But if they see enough of them this could actually work out to the sealer favor. And here's why if it's twenty twenty assuming the that Rudolf wins the backup quarterback role for the Pittsburgh Steelers. And he's he's looked the part and he's intelligent enough. He's you know athletic enough. He can make the throws I'm assuming this all takes place the seals could easily give him a a bigger contract before that. Last year of his rookie deal or an extension to lock him up. And I guarantee you because he's an unknown commodity to everyone else that it would be a steal of a deal for the Steelers in terms of their starting quarterback. It would almost be as if they would have a rookie quarterback under contract and they're trying to win with that contract because it's not going to be as inflated as safe thirty million dollars a year. I listen to a lot of Dan Patrick. He always talks about how one of the keys to winning in the National Football League is to do. So with a rookie at quarterback why because their contract is so small you can spend all your other salary cap money. Elsewhere to help build a good supporting cast, this could be very similar transition. When Rothlisberger leaves you have Mason Rudolph under contract with that extension that I spoke of and now you have a lesser contract. You have more money to basically spread around add to the roster. I'm not saying this is going to happen. I'm saying this is probably the best case scenario. Oh for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Is that Rudolf does pan out Rudolf proves that he is capable Rothlisberger retires. His contract is over it expires and then relief takes over. But the Steelers would be smart and not let him even sniff free agency. But the lock him up earlier if a giant if here he proves it. He's worthy in nothing. None of this matters right off the bat if Mason Rudolph doesn't win the backup job this off season period. Period, period. And the reason why I don't talk about Joshua Dobbs that much is because for me, I don't feel like he is a potential guy the guy it's nothing against him. He's super ethnic he runs. Well, he's just doesn't fit with the Steelers wanna do ofensive -ly assuming they ran defeating. They're still going to be there after all this Fergal es, and assuming that what they wanna do is going to be the same as Roth Asperger's doing. Now, I feel like Rudolph is better suited for that. That Joshua Dobbs not so much. So Rudolph wins the backup job this year. That's step number one. And then step number two is if he gets in the opportunities, how does he play this could work out to the Steelers benefit? And this is something that I talked about earlier even after Rudolph was drafted because everyone said he's not gonna see the field for a long time. I said that's fine. Even if he has to sit for four years and learn he's not gonna have anywhere in Terence's body. He's going to be smarter for it. He's gonna know the system he'll be ready if he's that guy. So we'll find out Silva, Ben officer, Ben Rothlisberger extension. A will. He actually see all three years of this deal. That's a question. I'd like to know in the live chat. Do you think Rothlisberger will actually see all of this contract? The options would be retires or he may be gets cut. Let's say his performances sub-standard or subpar. I. Doubt that happens after seeing what he did last year breaking records personal records and things like that. So do you think they've officer will see over years it's questioning so then the live chat, or if you're on audio platform goodest you behind the curtain dot com, and let us know in the comments section k last topic before I answer some questions. I was listening to one of my favorite sports talk radio shows today on the way, home from work or channels. I should say I I love mad dog sports radio. I like the the morning men show. I like dog Christopher mad dog Russo. I even like doggy daycare during the middle of the day. I was catching that the end of. I was kitchen at the very end of the doggy daycare the middle of the day show. And they were talking they were answering phone calls about Ben Rothlisberger. So these Steeler fans, they sounded a lot like the commenters commenters on behind the curtain dot com. And here they were talking about Ben in his contract extension in one guy seeing thinks he's underrated. He feels like he should be up there with Brees and Rogers because of the stats and the Super Bowl parents is in we all know those. Yeah. All that stuff. We're stevens. We get. Then they took the final caller. And this caller had me literally yelling in my car. The radio to shut up period. And he came out and said, I can't stand. Mike Tomlin ano- guy. I've always done this no matter where I am who I'm talking to. I say, okay, that's fine. I wanna hear the reasons why. Because for me, that's important. You cannot like a player you cannot like a coach. But don't don't hate him. Just to hate him. Sadly, some people hate him because of the color of his skin a, sadly, some people hate him. Because it just seems to be the soup super geor today in the hashtag fire Tomlin is just so popular on game day. But if you have a legitimate reasons why you didn't like my talent. Then that's fine. You're entitled to your opinion. This guy goes on to talk about the locker room issues at the Steelers had and that a lot of the distractions are gone, but how he does. Tom because he doesn't think he's as able to control the players in the locker of and he made I can't stand. What people do this? He said if you go back to Chuck Noll, he wouldn't let this stuff happen or Bill cower wouldn't let this happen. And I wanted to throw something I actually wanted to call into the show, but they were they were at a time and they were moving onto the next show. Because by goodness go again, go out and read the book, I honest recommendation is to read the book their life's work in that was all about the nineteen seventies. Dealers in read about some of the stuff that these guys did off the field the shenanigans firing weapons. Eddie police helicopter driving drunk getting drunk before games using steroids. Chuck Noll himself breaking rules in terms of practicing and things of that nature all of this stuff. Folks, if it were two thousand nineteen in the same. Things were happening. Could you imagine what it would be like with social media? That's all I'm saying could you imagine hearing stories about players gallivanting around town getting hammered drunk in public bars before games. Could you hear about a player on the Steelers getting out of his vehicle and shooting a weapon at a police helicopter? They about that. So if you're someone that says, it might tell Chuck knoll had control of his teams get out of here. Did you see Joe Greene's rookie year and second year as he? Be be little officials as he was dirty cheap shot artists, and it didn't stop and did it. No. Because he was that. Good. Okay. So let's fast forward now to Bill cower Bill Cowher, still pre social media here, folks. And I've said this million times on a bunch of different shows. But could you imagine Joey porter with a Twitter account? Anyone think about it? You thought the Jeremy Stevens comments before the Super Bowl. Forty two dozen five is bad. Could you imagine what it would be like if Lee flowers headed Twitter account? Yes. Mr. paper champions himself. Can you imagine that all this stuff happened? Think about all the things that happened with Bill cowers at the helm. Joey porter got shot in the butt in Denver. He got into a huge fight in the casino in Las Vegas. I think that pretty sure calories still at the helm for that Santana homes gets busted. Or I'm sorry say Antonio will might have been might tell. I apologize Cedrick Wilson domestic violence, James Harrison, domestic violence. I could go on and on about other stuff that happened their stories about the early nineties teams. Greg Lloyd, not being so nice out in the public. What I'm trying to say is it might Tomlin is coaching in a different era. Do I believe that Tomlin has done the best job stopping some of this stuff? Now, he definitely could could have done a better job in a lot of different ways. But I don't want people to go around saying that Nolan cower wouldn't put up with this because they did they had the same issues. It just wasn't on social media. There was no Twitter. There was no Facebook. There was no Instagram. And if you imagine it those teams with those platforms, it's enough to make your brain explode, and you would say would cower have control over those players would Chuck knoll have control over this players. If you look at the past he they both tolerated a lot because it all comes down the talent folks, period. You wanna hate on Mike Tomlin, that's fine. But don't hate on him for his lack of ability to control the locker room. Because what are you gonna do? Don't tell me you're a fan that have. I was the coach I'd cut into your Brown. No. You wouldn't you know why? Because he scored fifteen touchdowns period. I get rid of lady on bell the moment. He said he was going to show up. I cut his ass. No. You wouldn't you wouldn't because he's an all pro running back. He's great at everything that he does. He's great running the ball. He's great at catching the ball as graded pass protection. Folks. You just have to understand that this is two thousand nineteen in. They are running a business. So please for the love of God. If you don't like Mike Tomlin have a legitimate excuse. That's all I ask have a legit use time management us clock management. Whatever you wanna call it. You could talk about the challenges. That's fine too. You can talk about the whatever is long as it's legitimate, please. Because I'm sick and tired of the commenters. I'm sick and tired of people going. I thought about all the thousands of people that were listening to that radio show. And they would probably think of well that guy's got a good point. And I'm sitting here because I am the editor of a giant website. And I'm saying this guy so far off as it's ridiculous. And yet he's somehow representing the fan base. So I'm gonna talk to my little corner of Steeler nation. And I'm gonna say my piece which. I think is a hundred percent accurate. You can disagree. You can hate. My Tom Tomlin, please make it legitimate. I apologize for going on a little rant today. But he got me going little bit. Everybody. Neil Patel editor in chief of the verge. And this is the verge cast. I has is the flagship podcast of the verge every week. We cover the latest in tech news reviews. 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If you're in the if you didn't know that we have more shows that are only audio like lances show. Yeah. I said it make sure you check that out. I'm working on getting that on YouTube. But in the meantime, go to any place that you hear podcasts that could be itunes, Google play Stitcher Spotify and just search behind the steel curtain. You could search Steelers you could search. Yeah. I said it, and you will find the show it's worth listening. The Steelers hangover with Brian Anthony Davis, and Tony view is another show. That's only audio. Check those out. So okay, here we go. Read says will the Steelers trip tomorrow night. I'm going to say, no not in the first round Friday. Yes. I think the argument trade up on Friday. So that's that's just my gut. That's just my gut. So saquon says do you think James Washington will step up in year two? I think he will. I really do think he will. I think the Steelers are not gonna have the same looking offense. But I think it's still going to be formidable and Dante Moncrieff juju Smith Schuster in James Washington going to be very big parts of that passing attack. Absolutely that all right. Nate says who's your dream prospect for the Steelers draft will you know before this morning. It was one of the Devon's. But after this morning, I'm thinking, well, shoot it. They got Germain Pratt in the second round. They could probably go with someone else in the first the more. I watch of savage the safety. I'm thinking that that guy would be a tremendous add to the team not saying he would start over Sean Davis. But if you think about Sean Davis, he's entering the last year of his. Contract. And so maybe wanna let him go. You could play savage is like a slot guy. I'm thinking that might be my pick even in the first round. I I'm just saying just saying as US made a question. Who your value picks it wide receiver? I don't know a lot about the wide receivers. I know I know some of the the players the Steelers are actively looking at and they've brought in you know, you have boykin the receiver from Dame you have Akeem Butler, you've sills believe is the West Virginia receiver that they like a lot. So it'll be interesting to see how that pans out there with the wide receiver position. Would you be mad at the Steelers traded down assuming boat? Devon's off the board. I've said this already. No, I wouldn't be upset ninety days Scofield who's probably in. I know it's probably he's in a live chat. He does not want them to trade out. I said if all the prospects of day fewer first-round talents are out, and they're gonna get an early second round pick for it then. Yeah. I if you have someone that you think you're going to get in the early second round Anki to second rounds to around pigs IB five at that not to mention you should get other pixes. Well, Michael hia? Agrees with my Tomlin Tate. He says if it gets in the way of winning a championship. Absolutely. I would cut them. It's team first year out. It's easy to say that as we sit here behind the keyboard and screen in my Moby myself into that as well. Based on the fact that from I it's intil you'll Brown is a third no-one saying, he's not a toured in Levy on. Dell's a jerk for doing what he did to the team. But you can't take away. How good they are as players period in. So if you're talking about it's all about winning a championship. You would want them on your team because they're going to help you win a championship? Now, they didn't I get that. But at the same time, it's just a hopefully shining a little bit of light on what coaches have to tolerate based on the fact that they need their team to win. Character versus talent Roy's talking about. All. Right. Mark says should the Steelers traded for Devon white or draft a corner that I don't know. I didn't ask this question. So many times in the last two months, and I really don't know, I'm fine. If they get a corner if it's one of the three d Andre Baker, Byron Murphy, agreed Williams. I probably be okay with that. And it comes down to the question that Dave asked me earlier today, he sent to the text of myself and Brian Davis and said Ed tomorrow show on Thursday night. Will we be excited satisfied or disappointed? That's a really good question for you all to answer in the live chat tomorrow night at this time or they probably wouldn't have picked yet at nine thirty five pm eastern time when this is being recorded will Steeler fans be excited. Satisfied or disappointed Steeler fans are always disappointed in everything they do period. I think there's fans that if they win their seventh Super Bowl they'll be pissed because maybe they didn't run the ball well enough or Baid they missed an opportunity for an interception anyways. Let me know. Would you be it doesn't matter the pick your predicting in your mind? Okay. The Steelers track record in the first round. Will we be excited satisfied? Or will? We just went is it'll be satisfied. And if they got a cornerback. I'd be satisfied. Flip says if we draft inside linebacker in the first which inside linebacker d cut next season, Jon Bostick, period. I think it's an easy answer. Or if you wanna keep him you cut Tyler, Medicaid, which and you draft another guy in this in the late rounds? Maybe one of your six round picks that basically can do the same thing that he does and it's probably little bit more. So there you go. Captain underpants. As who's your perfect? He's perfect for the team prospect. That's a good question. I I haven't done a lot of haven't done a lot of you know, you hear all these guys are good team guys and UT I've ever hearing this Jamal Adams the safety. That's in New York with the jets. He was he's a leader. You know what I mean? And I haven't haven't heard too much of that. So I'm not sure to be honest with you. Okay. Mile Sanders as a running back a believe from Penn State when what round will the Steelers take Myles Anders? I'm gonna say if they take him maybe one of their third round picks. Maybe the second third round pick. If you saw on the board. Not sure if he'll make it to the fourth that'll be running back as a position we haven't talked about tonight and running back to position that we should be talking about tonight because I think the running back positions and be very important for this team using forward James Conrad you had to play a fool NFL season. Jalen Samuels, you somewhat say myself included, a very small sample size for his success. And then that's it. You're gonna have to have someone else. So that someone has Lance Williams says it Jeff myself is a slot wide receiver back in my back in my day was my friend. I was a slot receiver. Absolutely. So okay here we are trying to catch up here. See here. Do you think the Steelers will target a tight in the second or third round a tight end they need one. I'm just not sure if it's going to be the second round, so. Yeah. I'm not sure sit here Joseph brings up I heard Levy on didn't show up to two jets camp. It's voluntary minicamp. I mean. I get it. I know what you're saying. But at the same time, not only do I not care about him anymore. But that's your problem as their headache. Welcome to the lead you on bell show. Don't worry. He'll put out a crappy rap record and he'll wrap about something. Stupid, his sucks. Did it? Dave school, you'll give Lance props. I like that. Flip asking which starter, I'm assuming you're referring to the inside linebacker question which starter in my opinion. If you're considering Mark Baroness starter at inside linebacker. Mark Barron is not a player in my. I think he's a versatile player. So let's say they do go up and get Devon white. It's I know is a long shot. But let's say did you go up and did Devon white. You have to ask yourself. Is if he's a starter. I feel like Mark Barron could still have a role on the team. They Mark Barron could still be a guy that plays in sub packages. So I don't think it would be needed cut him necessarily. All right. We'll have have time for a few more Lance is peddling the super chat feature. Okay. I'll explain this. We had a couple of people use it earlier in the show. Let's say you're someone that listens. All the time, you watch on YouTube, and you say, hey, these guys do a good job one thrown a few bucks. Or if you have a question and like right now, we've had a ton of questions in the live chat. You want your question answered? And you want to make sure that scene if you're on your phone? I'm not sure what it looks like on a desktop. 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2019 ROOKIE WR EVALUATIONS! Are These Guys Future Superstars? (02/18 Fantasy Football Podcast)

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2019 ROOKIE WR EVALUATIONS! Are These Guys Future Superstars? (02/18 Fantasy Football Podcast)

"This is fantasy football today from CBS. Sports got mail US AT FANTASY FOOTBALL. Ed CBS. I DOT COM it's time to dominate your Fantasy League of Cheney in two thousand nineteen rookie wide receiver class gave us five. Wide receivers have finished in the top. Thirty three in nonstop and top thirty seven and five of the top thirty seven. That's pretty good. Oddly enough it did not include the two players who were drafted in the first round in the NFL draft. Which would be to kill Harry? Markey's brown welcome everybody to fantasy football today. We are recapping the two thousand nineteen rookie wide receivers. It was a really strong year for those guys. I'm Adam as with Jamey Eisenberg. He's comings and Ben Gretchen. We'll get your emails a little bit later. Let's go about those rookie wide. Receivers Ben. Pretty good season. Ah Yeah I think one of the best rookie seasons. We've seen in several several years. And then they can go back to two thousand fourteen which was kind of the class that made everyone else. Think From from two thousand fifteen sixteen. Seventeen that that every other class could be a lot better than what it was when we finally saw that in twenty nineteen where where we saw that type of twenty fourteen production years later Jamie Heath your thoughts your overall thoughts by the way. We have a lot of news notes to get to as well. Cluding what tyrod Taylor led team could look like in Los Angeles or your thoughts guys on the rookie wide. Receivers yeah I mean like the obvious part was how good the good rookie wide receivers were. But the depth of this class. Pretty remarkable sixteen different receivers earned at least forty targets ten of them were over eight yards per target which is definitively good. So I think like it's not just those guys that finished high. In terms of fantasy points there are a lot of wide receivers. That are good. Bilo candidates in terms of dynasty your level of disrespect to one of the rookie. Wide receivers is unfounded. Bide yours what I do. Read off the list of rookie wide receivers that you have in your notes. Where it might. Oh It's wide receiver questions. Two thousand nineteen rookie wide receivers. No list go ahead. What are you doing reading my notes? You'd ever read by hearing on Markey's Brand Mikhael Harry deebo Samuel Aj Brown Coal Hartman. Jj Are Sega. Whiteside Paris Campbell. Andy Isabella Decay. Metcalf the Johnson. Jalen Hurd Terry maclaurin Miles Boykin Akeem Butler Gary. Genie's junior rally really hundred area slate and keyshawn Johnson Travis. Fogel Joon Winfrey Marcus Green Kelvin Harmon Scott Miller Bell Joshua's Sue Terry Godwin Dylan Mitchell NBC. Johnson who do either of you like to point out he left out I? I wasn't really listening to him. I did yes you left out Preston. Williams level of disrespect is unbelievable. Wow it's a bad job. Sorry about that and is a bad job and so not only did. Did I check your notes? I also did a quick search to see if you have Preston Williams there Nima question about Preston Williams so you didn't even read the question that was posed to you. And then you left out Preston Williams when talking about the rookie wide Richard. You guys are free to bring up whoever you want. I didn't leave anyone out. We haven't even started talking to you. Got A whole list you. You have travel. I can't pronounce last name in here. John Winfrey in here. He's favorites revolt. Came Butler in here. But you left out personally look. I didn't leave them out at just putting their he left. I did a couple of of twitter polls. Let's see what the results say which is plenty of the NFL is that one. Do you have to be drafted by the NFL team to be considered a rookie All right which of these wide receiver should be drafted. I appr league decay metcalf. Aj Brown deebo Samuel Terry maclaurin metcalf. Aj Brown deebo or tear maclaurin. Heath who do you think should be drafted? I I've gone back and forth on this a lot already and I think I probably will more but right now all say Terry maclaurin. I think he has the most opportunity for growth in terms of targets. There's not really a lot of competition there. I expect Wayne Haskins to be better as a passer. I'm a little bit more concerned about the other guys. In terms of what share and how many targets are available in their team. Well I know but I was GONNA ask the question. How many burner accounts have to vote multiple times? I mean yeah I did. I did a campaigning through through all my box and really voted heavily for Asia Brown. But I just yeah genuinely think that's crazy I think. Aj Brown was the way better than Terry maclaurin. He was away better. Prospect coming in much better breakout age. Much better Called production even playing with really good teammates like decay. Mccaffrey was also in this poll. And I think he's Like as close as you can get to a can't miss superstar after one year. What I okay. We're we're not talking about a dynasty league right. Yeah so we're just talking about twenty twenty and I just don't know what's going to change on the titans that's going to lead to. Aj Brown getting more than maybe one hundred targets. Because we know he's not going to average twelve point five yards per target. He's probably going to lose twenty five percent of that if he's over ten it will be spectacular and so he he needs to see like a huge increase in the target volume. I don't know that Tennessee's offense is going to change it really anyway. Going into twenty twenty. Why did the hope would be sixteen games of Tannehill as opposed to you know? What do you have nine right? But I don't like his target's share was it was big but it wasn't huge in the second half either. It's not he's not but they they. They showed a little bit more trust in their passing game as opposed to what they showed with Mariota. And the hope would be that. If you'RE GONNA pay Ryan Tannehill to whatever level they're paying him franchise tag or a long term deal that you're paying him with the chance to build off what he did not just necessarily manage a lot of the game as we saw from time to time. I'm also expecting the run game to take a step back whether that's you know. Derrick Henry getting hurt or just not being as successful So I I mean for me. It's AJ Brown too. I just think that you know I. I don't have the same love that Ben does But but I see why he loves him and I do think there's the chance for him to maybe not replicate his numbers exactly but to be in a similar range for what he was able to do. I I just don't know of maclaurin. You know he his like benefit you know his his what people view them as a blocker. I mean it was it was it was such a disrespect to what he was as a college player. But I just don't know if he has the ability to take a huge leap forward. I think kind of what we saw is is the type of player that maybe he could be. But consistently. I don't know if that's going to be the case on a per game basis last year in terms of fancy production he was better than. Aj Bro Oh he was. He was right there. There was there was an extremely dominant performances. But is yeah. I seriously I hate what you throw that stuff out there when it is so obviously misleading because Aj Brown was the number three wide receiver in Ryan Tannehill ten starts in non PR. He was number seven. And you can't you can't say that he it was legal. I say the partial sample size that we know is not sustainable. In terms of efficiency isn't necessarily more predictive than the per game averages from last year like yes. Aj Brown was incredible. And he's very good and I like him. This is not negative about. Aj Brown. At all. I don't know what is growth. Potential is when he's going to have to increase his targets by twenty five percent just to match what he did last year but if you look at his snap shares all throughout September he played in the forty percent rage all throughout October. He was right around sixty percent. He I hit what you consider. A full-time snap share in week. Ten when Corey Davis missed a game and then they add a believer by week. Eleven and from then on he was essentially the number one wide receiver. It was a different type of season for him to turn McLaren. Who was the fulltime wide receiver? One from week one. So you can't really look at at per game averages. In my opinion when comparing guys turn McLaren's meet very clearly the number two guy on this poll. I'm not trying to attack him too much. I do agree with a lot of the points he's made and I do think you'll have a very good career but I think we're trying to compare these two guys we need to look I. He's right that the production in late season was very efficient. It's GONNA be hard to sustain that but we also need to look at that more closely than the early part of the season because his role changed throughout the year. Much like Dj. Moore's did in his first season in the second season after more. Play a full season Term McLaren's didn't I mean it didn't have to change because he started as a star from week one while he also had the you know quarterback shuffle scenario which was worse than what. Aj Brown. I think the the thing with the Washington offense comparatively to Tennessee often says offense probably GONNA be the same barring the two big pieces leaving if they bring back Tannehill and Henry. It's almost going to be a replica of twenty nine hundred I would. That's what I'm projecting. Yes but for Washington though we could see another couple of pass catchers added I mean. They're they're tight. End Situation is almost wiped out. Because who knows what's happening Right so is it. Mclaren's Steve Simms and track win. You know I mean I. Is that what they're is even court looks like right. I don't think so I would imagine that. That's something that has to be completely retooled. So does maclaurin stay the same as you know? I think he's going to be the number one guy abuse shocking that they would add somebody. 'cause free agency doesn't have that type of STAR POWER UNLESS THEY GET. Mark Cooper Aj Green. I doubt those guys go there and then is a rookie coming in and does a Terry maclaurin like performance or is it just another complementary piece. You know so that I think is is the big part of this with McLaren is. What's the next thing for this washtenaw? Haskins should be better but to what degree is turning the corn. Maybe worse not because of him as a player. Just because what? The situation is maclaurin splits by the way seven games before Dwayne Haskins took over as a starting quarterback seven games with Haskins as a starting quarterback has has played a little bit in those first seven games but just looking at starts versus non starts. The catch is yours very similar. I think he had five touchdown catches though before Haskins took over and only two with Twain. Haskins it's small sample size. Obviously I think one thing. That's interesting about these rookie. Wide receivers is that unfortunately a lot of them are on offense is that just. Don't throw the ball. Four prominent rookie wide receivers were on teams. That finished in the bottom five pass attempts that would be maclaurin deebo Samuel Aj Brown and Marquees Brown and given the stat before but in the last five seasons there's only been one wide receiver who's finished top twelve NPR on an offense that was in the bottom five pass attempts that was Doug Baldwin. It was five seasons ago So it's hard thing to do and Tennessee has been in the bottom five pass attempts four straight seasons so I hope they don't make it five in a row but became is not one of those Y- I think that's that's a big. That's a great point. That's a big point of what I was trying to say is like if that changes and you told me they are going to throw the ball even five hundred and twenty five times this year than I. I would agree with Ben Completely. I'd much rather have. Aj Brown mixture okay but Washington was also on that list. I mean they were a ground and pound team as much as they could be but decay. Metcalfe's team was not on that list and he actually finished second in the poll. Aj Brown won it with forty. Two percent of the vote decay metcalf twenty five point four percent of the vote followed by Deebo Samuel third an entire McLaren fourth J. quote on decay. Metcalf in. And what you think about him and I guess depot as well who? I think he's broken this down. A lot of us. Production was rushing toward also led all wide receivers with rush with rushing and a lot of his production was two games without George Kibble But yeah just let's give a little to the other two guys on the Paul Metcalf in Deebo. I mean make half as we saw started to take off toward the middle to the end of the season. You know you can sort of debate. Who's the number one receiver going into? Twenty twenty. Four Seattle is going to be there. Lock it or McAfee. I think most of us will still say lock it based on what he showed US last year and the type of player that he is. And we're whole lineup. But Metcalfe you know put to rest any of those conversations about Z. Just a one trick. Pony can only go down the field. He certainly showed that he has a little bit more to offer and picked up his game as the season went on. So I'm excited about next year. I I would actually take him ahead of of Maclaurin right now. But that's probably just need being in the minority on that one. I think that he has A little bit of a higher ceiling to get to. I also think that we're GONNA see Seattle open up the offense a little bit which I know is not the conventional thinking but you know. Russ start complaining but you know and that's GonNa matter. I think it's GonNa carry some weight. Especially how he played last season how I think he wants to be perceived how he wants to play how he wants his offense to go and I think is a big reason. Why plus you have the running back injuries that they're gonna be dealing with For Samuel is going to trust them. I think is anything more than a number three fantasy receiver coming into this season but again that sort of speaks to what San Francisco is going to do this off season are they going to bring back. Emmanuel Sanders going to add another piece if it Samuel and George Kittle as the top to pass catchers here. I think Shanahan was great at adapting to what the San Francisco offense was. Last year. They're running game was exceptional. Their defense was phenomenal. But we've seen him in the past. He's a coach that likes to throw the ball a little bit. Not to the extent of some of the play callers that we know that like to open up their offenses but his number one receiver traditionally has been a very high targeted successful type of fantasy option. And I hope Deebo Samuel has a chance to get there. Can You be one hundred twenty targets. Probably not can you get to one ten PM projected for heath but if he could be in that one hundred to one ten range than maybe what we saw from Maclaurin this year You know maybe maybe that's the type of fantasy numbers you can get different way that he'll get there right. Maybe that type of fantasy production so I think he's going to be a guy that sort of is in your lineup. One we gotta line up next week. You know not a consistent fantasy producer but somebody that you can rely on a few times throughout the season. Yeah I like Metcalfe's surprised me. And that he was that good as a rookie because he came into last year and we thought well he's probably got more upset than any of these guys. What what he could be if you learn how to play wide receiver. It'd be one of the best receivers in the League. And he took that big first step as a rookie. I think that makes you more excited. About what could be long term? I don't know I didn't see enough in terms of volume from Samuel to know how much different was last year from Dante Pettis because Dante Pettis was phenomenal for about six or seven game stretch. I think samuels a better prospect better wide receiver but I also expect. They're going to hit somebody. Yeah I I would agree unless again. Sanders comes back. But the the difference. I think would be the quarterback play. Pettus did hell all of his stuff with Mullen and Beth third whereas you know at least depot had Jimmy Garoppolo running the show. We got more twitter polls. We got a lot more rookie wide. Receivers talk about including Press Williams. Maybe that's up to Jamie Heath and Ben. We're GONNA take a quick break year on fantasy football right back off. There is way too much. Bs in the world of sports on David Sampson. Host of the daily podcast. Nothing personal with David Samson Monday through Friday I'll decode what's going on in the sports world whether it's a player coach or even an owner. I'll tell you what they're really saying. No filter I spent. Eighteen years is a president and Major League Baseball. And I've got stories that you want to hear that you will hear. We'll talk sports business and entertainment so download and subscribe on Apple. Podcasts spotify and anywhere else. Podcasts are found. Remember it's just business. It's nothing personal. All right back to the wide receivers are second twitter poll. Let's assume Sammy. Watkins is not on Kansas City. Next season a probable boost for hardman which of these wide receivers should be drafted. I appr league. Markey's Brown Mikio Harry Miko Hardman or Darius Slayton markey's Brown Coal Hartman. Nick Nick Johari mickle. Hartman's use me Daria Slayton. This is assuming Sammy. Watkins is not back with Kansas City. Ben Markey's Brown one that twitter poll followed by McColl hardman followed by Darius late and they all had twenty four to thirty seven percent of the vote and to kill Harry only eight percent. Where would you have voted? I love that. That screen shot that we have up on the screen has somebody whoever took that voted for Michael Hartmann. 'cause they were correct. That's who I voted for as well He will probably tell you that his yards for target also needs to regress extremely high. It was even higher than Aj. Browns just like didn't qualify because he didn't have enough targets But what we saw from Hartman this year kind of similar to I guess what was off from Deebo Samuel just on On fewer opportunities because they have so many options in that offense but kate the city wanted to get the ball on his hands. They did it. A number of ways In particularly he was very efficient down the field in the deep The passing game in the number of long touchdowns when we saw that continue into the postseason even though he wasn't playing a tiny still kind of a role player. They made him a player like they think he can be a game breaking player. That's a really good sign of Sammy. Watkins is not on this offense next year. We know that it's quarterback Patrick Mahomes Yes as efficiency would definitely come down from thirteen plus yards per target but I would absolutely technical Hartman over the rest of these guys just on the the sheer upside in explosive potential in the offense citizen. I think the last couple of words that been said or the most important in in the offense that he's in because I think Mark Brown has enormous upside an explosive ability. I just don't know if he does with seventy five karston season. I don't know why Baltimore Change. Too much of what they did. They'll throw a little bit more. But if Sammy Watkins was gone I would definitely have hardman ahead of Marquees Brown and probably in I think Hardiman versus Deebo Samuel be really interesting and that type of situation. Yeah it's hard to It's hard to go against the receiver in Patrick. Mahomes offense and I think a lot of people look at Watkins this past year in and probably think why would I want that? Because that's the role he would assume. Go back two years ago. What Sammy Watkins was in this offense and I think that's the better off or the playoffs. That's fair and I think the big reason why you have a healthy moms because mahomes was dealing with ankle injury and then missed two games with a knee injury and then it was kind of just Not the same until we saw toward the end of the season. I think he was finally healthy. But that's I think the the hope is that that's what you're getting the thing about. Markey's Brown also saw at the end of the season the playoff game. He was a superstar when they had to throw and so maybe they do open up the offense a little bit more and let the MVP play a little bit more as a passer not necessarily just as ball control run offense and he's just having to make spectacular plays with his legs as well as what he's able to do as a passer but Mark Brown was a guy that played through this foot injury for the majority of the season I was listening to a radio interview with Our Buddy Dr David Chow. And he said he was told was compared to Cam Newton and he said Mark Brown played the entire season with essentially a list. Frank Injury So maybe he wasn't fully healthy and hopefully if he is fully healthy than we could see a little bit more of an explosive player I I do think that you know if you put the the names backup Adam You know the other guys on this list are are certainly interesting as well. aside from Hartman in Markey's Brown you know. There's a lots of all for these guys. Slayton is is my favorite as a player. I just don't think his opportunities are going to be that great. If you have a healthy sterling shepard a healthy Evan Ingram a healthy Golden Tate. Because he's not GonNa get the targets any needs. Yeah I look at that. 'cause I was. The giants targets are really hard to figure and I looked at that last week and he really needed two of those guys to be out. Even one of them was out. He didn't have much success or much of a target volume. He needed two of those three big three ahead of them to be hurt. So I I love Slayton but I'm not sure. He has much chance to this year and Harry could be. Maybe the best I mean. Obviously pedigree puts them there with Markey's Brown based on his draft potential his draft stock where he was taken in the first round. But WHO's The quarterback in New England? You know and and we don't really know when to kill Harry is because you know missing the start of the season last year but going on I r with the The ankle injury. He really didn't get an opportunity at one game over five targets in his final Seven Games that. He played finally games that he played and it was week. Seventeen when he had seven. You know so. Can we really say kill? Harry is a bust. I think it's way too soon to say that. And you know if you get Tom Brady back and it settlement Harry and you know talk about you know maybe making run Austin Hooper or Hunter Henry. They add that other piece to the offense that makes things open up a little bit. Harry could end up being the best guy. There approximately the best value. Because he's GonNa go last so that group so four names were Markey's Brown McColl Hardiman Mikio Harry and area slayton. Do you think any of them will do better than this. Sixty four catches eight hundred thirty yards five touchdowns sixty four catches eight hundred thirty yards five touchdowns and that is what Sammy. Watkins was on pace for in two thousand. Eighteen only played ten games. But it actually not a little underwhelming Sixty four eight hundred thirty yards five touchdowns. I think we'd want one of those guys. Do probably more than that to do better than that. That's all he was on face for the. Yeah yeah no no no two thousand eighteen. Yeah you're using sample size. You're using one of the Games where I think he played like three plays or something that was always taken out of this but I know Jana quoted that a lot of different number. It was like almost a thousand yards. Yeah he was he was in but I think Mark Brown will be better than that next year and I think Hardiman would be if Watkins was gone. The thing is Marcus Robinson. Most likely is gone. And so like you look at what Sammy Watkins did with other guys if it's tyreek in Hardman and then just a distant third receive Rangel right right. Then I think you'd see hardman be better than Samy has been. There's one there's one guy I think that I don't know if you want. Include him in this conversation but maybe could be better than all them in the NPR's ought to rent from you know from what we saw from him at the end of the season his final seven games for those he was. I think over sixteen. Pr Points I've got him. Projected overall guy and one's bought at route. It it it sort of ties into who the quarterback is. There is going to be their car because I think that helps Hunter Brady. I think would help. Hunter Renfro you know just as a guy who clearly loves you know throw in to slot wide receivers Or is it somebody? That's a different ilk. That would maybe challenge down the field more but I think Renfro is is Potentially better than all those guys including if Arman Loses Samuel minded be patient with wide receivers Kenny Golladay in his rookie season. Twenty eight catches four hundred. Seventy seven yards three touchdowns Chris Godwin rookie season. Thirty four catches five hundred. Twenty five yards one touchdown there obviously to premier wide receivers now Ben What were you going to say? Yeah I was just going to say that. That run froze probably going to be more of a safer easier. Projectable Guy Yeah High catch rate. I think he had a a ton of he did. Have a ton of yards. After the catch this past year couple long touchdowns they took a couple slants to the house. That the that's GonNa regress a little bit but yeah he'd be a safer pick. I would still probably prefer guys like Hardman for the upside. So I got some more widely Questions to throw at you. Let me promote a few things. Really quickly here. Fantasy baseball today is back in full swing. I thought we're going to episodes this week but some people want her to take a holiday vacation. That's fine so we have four this week. First base second base third base and shortstop previews but we're basically podcasting five days a week going forward We have the xfl episode under a separate xfl episode going to air. I think on Thursday this week so check that one out and the fantasy football today newsletter. You sign up at CBS sports dot com slash newsletter. Stay up to date with fantasy. Football content sent straight to your inbox off season long news of the day. Podcast content editorial pieces prospect profiles rankings and more. Cbs Sports Dot com slash newsletter. Here we go. Let me ask you this who which rising sophomore wide receiver has the most twenty twenty upside of any of them. Define Ri- How is this different than the first question about the poll? That was who who should be drafted. I it could be different. Who has the most upside if it's not as fine. You can answer the same age. Abram also met guess I'll say Harry see very different who has the most career long upside also cast overage Brown out produced a two-to-one and on the same team in college. You GotTa look at that a little bit. You have to look that a little bit. Yes okay which rises software wide. Receiver has the most bust potential. You'll Harry probably but I like him. Is He rising? Even qualifies arising wide. Receiver wasn't rising from You know what I guess probably diva diva overture depot. Okay Yeah I think Harry is going to go late enough. I don't know if it'd be a bus which will depend on your leising or up coming future if you're using him based on what his. Nfl draft stock is then. He's got a ton of potential which rising sophomore wide receiver did very little in two thousand nineteen but is poised for a big ear in twenty twenty Breast implants. Yeah Press Person William Williams was just starting to take off before the ACL tear. He had twelve and then a twelve game in a twenty four. Pr Game in two of his last three and that was when Fitzpatrick was finally entrenched as the starter. So that's a big part of that is if you look at splits for Toronto Parker. Even he was way better. When Fitzpatrick was the quarterback him and Williams were almost identical up until Williams injury in terms of like yards per target. And then PAP parker blew up after Williams got hurt. Yeah and that's an interesting part with Patrick. Because he tends to feature one guy we don't always see with him and it's you know throughout his career from Steve Johnson Brandon Marshall. You Know Parker you know. They're just a ton of guys when he gets walked in on one. That guy blows up. He's made a lot of guys money. You know so who will be locking on if he's the guy for sixteen games and that's the big question because we know that they're going to be in the market in the NFL draft for whether it's to a tongue below or Justin Herbert as we got the rumor this week that they could be looking to herbert but if they If they do give somebody additional starts then you have to wonder which of these receivers will benefit but Williams just based on the ACL. Tear is probably GONNA go significantly later than Devante Parker. And if you're just looking for a piece of this dolphins passing game. He's the one you want to gravitate toward and I I mentioned earlier. Deonte Johnson may have done a little too much to qualify. But I think there's a situation if he clearly beats out James Washington. It's a clear one to situation and bins back to his old self than. I think you could see both of those guys top thirty wide receiver. Meena two-three Situation Dude. You'll be the one. No I meant. Juju Johnson as a one to like we had with Antonio Brown Juju as a one hour. I'm sorry where they're getting like seventy sixty percent of been targets or something. Well he's you mentioned at the beginning of the show. There are some players who are Bilo candidates in dynasty leagues. And sort of what I was thinking with with this question about someone who did very little in two thousand nineteen is poised for big year in twenty twenty. I'm sure Deontay John would be on that list. But look there. Jj Ortega whiteside. You've got Paris Campbell Andy Isabella and Akim Butler There might be some other names out there guys yet shirk. So so who else. Yeah I think those are the guys who I'm trying to acquire in dynasty for cheap rookie picks right now when people have said well they had one bad year. They're not going to be anything and I just want to get as many. I guess if I had to pick one I would say Paris Campbell right now as the teams are currently constructed. But I haven't given up on Kim Butler yet either. He was hurt all your and nobody took that. Like from the rest of those rookies. No one did anything they said. Well he's clearly a lot better than making Butler keyshawn Johnson Baby. He was four point four yards per target. It was the worst amongst the rookie wide receivers. They like him though matters a little bit though for sure. Van Gimme a sleeper software wide receiver. I think we just named a bunch. I like Isabela He had a lot really really strong. Production record in college But like to. He's point if you're talking about trading a a later round rookie pick for guy like Akeem Butler. I'd almost rather try. Try AGAIN BECAUSE Like if you're a redrafting the twenty nineteen class. Where would you take butler? Probably I mean he was a second round pick After his landing spot in. And now we'd probably be at least a third or fourth round. Pick in Manhattan. I think I'd rather just try again in another flyer But Yeah I think a lot of these guys you can't really you gave those stats about Golladay. Godwin and I do think it is really important to look it. Rookie season production for Golladay. He you know. He had a hamstring injury for God when he wasn't really getting on the field but he was really productive when he got on. The field is kind of like a hard situation. But I can't really be overstated that that How productive guys are in the rookie? Season does really Help predict the rest of their careers. So guys that were really really ineffective and this is one reason why I've gotten down on Harry. He did get some playing time had a hard time. Earning targets as Jamie said even. When did I don't even think you have a thirty yard? Receiving game out of like four or five games That can be a pretty good Predictive tool if play sixty games I'd agree with you but the fact that who knows a healthy was coming off the ankle injury. It's hard to say learning the Patriots offense we know has been a challenge for a. Lotta guys veteran guys included. You know that have had to make the switch coming over the middle of the season I got a couple of Kelvin. Harmon is interesting of Washington. Doesn't add anybody else. He started to pick up some playing time and showed some flashes toward the end of the season. Scott Miller too you know you look at the beginning of the season for Tampa Bay remember. He was their third receiver. It's GonNa be hard for me a lot of targets. Obviously but you know if you're still a third guy in a Bruce Arians offense you have some production we're talking late. Round picks is not a bad guy to sort of take a flyer on just based on what this opportunity could be for him. If in fact it's Jameis Winston and they're going to still have this wide open passing him. What did you make of the fact that? Jj Arteaga whiteside had such a quiet rookie season with all the injuries they had was Greg Ward who sniffs it was disappointing to what was talking about. This makes me more concerned about something like that. Because he's been with the team and played in practice and did everything at a time when they were so desperate that it was. We're GONNA clearly on the two tight ends in in Arts and God or which is not a bad thing given the production of those two guys but Boston Scott was a big part of the passing Game Mile Sanders passing in that it was just. I'm not even gonNA take if if you're Carson Winston in in the Doug Peterson that they're not taking shots down the field and like you said out on the using Greg Ward who was basically Desperation as as a converted quarterback so yeah he he makes me nervous but I still think that if he gets a chance and shows himself in the spring and the summer then. Maybe there's an opportunity here depending on what they at all right. Let's do some news notes here and we will finish up with your e mails at fantasy football at. Cbs is tyrod Taylor. Could be the chargers quarterback so he was the backup and I think some people think tyrod Taylor is really good like Heath I. I think he. I don't think it's great for fantasy. But he's what what was due to Keenan Allen if tyrod Taylor where the starting quarterback for for the chargers and I think that's where we will agree like I would be interested in tyrod Taylor as a late round quarterback as a streaming option if he was the starter for the chargers with all those weapons. I would be unhappy and I've really already kind of built into the projections. Their quarterback play is almost certainly going to be worse than it was last year in. That has been the last three or four years. I don't think the PR- I don't think there's a very good chance. They're going to draft. Somebody were assigned somebody that is currently better than tyrod Taylor so I would have interested him into. Qb As a late round streamer for sure. But it'd be bad news for Keenan. I WANNA be bad news for Mike. Williams. I'm not sure that bad news for US necker. As long as he's still starting worrying about Brady Brady I think could be okay for Keenan Allen I would probably give up on. The Mike Williams breakout if it was Tom Brady. I want to jump in on Austin Ecuador. I think you would actually be worse for us than anyone else. I think it would be devastating for us in Ecuador's Value Philip rivers as targeted running backs. An incredibly high rate throughout his career. He's particularly used him in the red zone across offense coordinator go back throughout his career Eker and Gordon have combined for believe it's at least seven receiving touchdowns for three or four straight seasons. You can go back to Danny woodhead. In his two full seasons with the chargers he got injured the other two years he was on there on the roster but the two full seasons had six receiving touchdowns both years rivers loves to use his running behind on in the red zone. Was that any Tomlinson. Yeah Yeah you can go back in so tyrod Taylor for me. The concern would be. Will he get as many High Leverage Green Zone touches as we talk about officer and the number two and and just you know based targets? Will he get as many targets? We talk all the time about or at least I jame is mentioned that. I'm a big fan of this. The staff but running quarterbacks don't dump off as much they scramble you'll see that with tyrod. Taylor. He go back and look at his time in buffalo he runs at a pretty pretty significant rate or he takes sacks he holds the ball he doesn't WanNa throw into into coverage any. Take some saks and has a pretty high soccer. But I think he's a very good quarter at that is one of his big flaws. You're not gonNA see a lot of running back targets tyrod Taylor. It's going to be a huge dropoff from Philip rivers only thing. That could be interesting in this conversation. This topic is either running backs coach in Anthony Lynn. That will probably call a lot of design. Plays in the passing game for his backs. Because I think that's part of it and NORV. Turner was the same thing as one of the previous coordinators coaches in Philip Rivers. Tenure there to thebenz point. If there's ever a statuesque quarterback to say that they just WanNa get the ball out quick and avoid taking hits. It's Philip rivers at least mobile quarterback that we've seen maybe in the last fifteen twenty years especially after the alter the couple of things one. They used especially late in the year after they changed coordinators. They used echo more in the slot and two running backs on the field. Same time. They talked about that. He was used a little bit more as David Johnson is as a pass catcher. The other thing and I haven't gone back fully and looked at tyrod target's share but his last years the starter in Buffalo. Lesean McCoy led the targets that you're so he has thrown running backs in the past and then finally I just think like Lynn. The CORNER THERE. He might have been Finally the only. I do think there's a chance that his targets go down on like a per snap or per game basis with tyrod Taylor but I don't expect his efficiency really. Will I think some people give Philip rivers credit for how good heckler was on a per target basis and he was just a lot better than any other running back catching passes from Philip rivers on a portrait visas so I don't think that will hurt? I was trying to see who was the offensive coordinator that year. I think it probably wasn't looked like it was Rick Dennison. What was Linda running backs coach? He was made. I think he was around that he may well. I'M GONNA a couple of stats and then I'm GonNa ask you a follow up question. So tyrod Taylor. In his three seasons as buffalo starting quarterback he was on pace for three thousand eighteen yards to three thousand four hundred. Sixty nine passing yards. Let's just say about thirty. Three hundred passing yards. Fifteen to twenty three touchdown passes per sixteen games in those three seasons. So you are talking. You look at the average of Philip rivers in his last seven seasons. You're talking about eleven hundred fewer passing yards and rivers had been above twenty-three pat touchdown passes which is a career high for tyrod Taylor Six straight years before during exactly twenty three and two thousand nineteen so it's obviously going to be fewer passing ours. Keenan Allen was a top twelve wide receiver this year. He was actually number six NPR. If tyrod Taylor was the starting quarterback is Keenan Allen a top twenty wide receiver for you area borderline. I've got him twenty six in Non Sixteen. Npr I'm projecting them as if tyrod Taylor's starting quarterback. Yeah I I don't think tyrod starting sixteen games for the chargers if if they're moving on for Philip rivers. It's with a plan in place to take one of the quarterbacks in the draft there there's no doubt about that the unless Brady and they're saying we're going for it all in we. Have Tom Brady locked up? And it's that type of guy you know. It could be tyrod as the similar situation that we saw in Cleveland where it's him starting for a few games and then let's just as Justin Herbert and they turn it over there or if it's Tula and then maybe he gets a little bit longer lease because to us not ready. But I can't imagine that they're making this move with the draft stock that they have as top ten pick without taking a chance on what he's less there's GonNa say we're taking forever or whatever the case may be you know where the kid from Ohio State. All right the steelers. Gm Kevin Colbert said. Ben Rothlisberger still on schedule for complete recovery from elbow surgery. He's adding new bone beard The jets are unlikely to resign. Robbie Anderson according to the athletic and they are unlikely to trade levy on bell according to ESPN and there is your jets news cardinals today though David with the jets that Lebanon is Was was playing overweight. Yeah they're leaking out that he was overweight and not as explosive so I'm not sure that's not a good way to know when a just just relegate the jets to the XFL can we move on the ratings would go up. Arizona's not going to cut David Johnson. But they could use the franchise tag on Kenyan Drake So I think I gave this out when we were doing the. Hq shows during Super Bowl. Week but David Johnson was a top seven running back from weeks. One through six chase. Ed was a top seven running back week. Seven and eight and Kenyan. Drake was a top four running back weeks nine seventeen so you want the Arizona cardinals running back. Just hope. It's one guy by what do you think happens if David Johnson. Kenyan drake are both. They're they're probably putting touches drapes a low in number two David. Johnson's mostly irrelevant. That'll make Oakland is Oakland's prepare to offer Tom Brady two years sixty billion dollar deal who he actually threw for. Tom Brady no t oakland there. There's no there's no all right Las Vegas prepared offer. Tom Brady a two year. Sixty billion dollar deal. He threw for three more yards last year than Derek carded. Three more yards. So he's met her about that. Detroit is reportedly looking into trading Darius slay and they were horrible. Without Darius late last year kirk cousins and Daniel Joe is consecutive games. Absolutely lit them up. They both through for like three hundred thirty yards and four touchdowns Also mahomes play them without slate. Didn't do that well. That was weird. all right those your notes. Let's do Some emails here fantasy football at CBS DOT com fantasy football CBC dynasty questions. And other stuff all right I. E Mail is from Alex the Commissioner of the no lifers Fantasy Cup. My keeper League is looking to alter our fantasy football settings a bit. We currently RUN ON HALF PR. But we want your input on what you prefer standard or half pr which gives the best and most equal value different positions for half PR and half point perverse down that PPO shirt next emails. From Isaac. He says subject line is drafting. A bench quarterback something that we've debated a lot on this show forget trading or streaming how about just doubling the likelihood that you end up with the next mahomes thoughts yes and that when the next mahomes that would be Ideal I I think it comes down to. You're gonNA hear us whether it's you know the the four of us here Dave Ben shrager whoever else is going to be part of our shows the guest we have. They're gonna all say that. This next guy is going to be a potential superstar. We'll be Joe. Borough Jones could be doing haskins. Whoever the case may be young quarterback on the rise to you know what whatever you know you sort of want to attach to some of these These quarterbacks or somebody that maybe changes teams. If you're league takes multiple quarterbacks take a flyer on one of these guys if your league does not and you have the chance to maybe pick them up after a couple of weeks to see how you're also looks. That's the right way to approach it. But you have to know how your your. Your League is taking quarterbacks or even how the draft unfolds Egerton quarterbacks but if there's somebody that you like and you're not sold like don't take mahomes and somebody else with the idea of trading them. That's never a success to build your roster but if you take a questionable quarterback whether it's due breeze at forty two aroldis or forty one Cam Newton coming off the injury You're you're you like cuyler Murray. But you're not sold on Tyler. Murray Josh Allen same thing then take take one of these upside type of quarterbacks and hope that maybe you have a good pairing the even the potential the second guy being the next Dr Khoo next emails from Arthur good afternoon. I have a three part question which none of the three questions have to do with each other one. Is there a tight end move that would change the ranks of Kelsey and kill the top two if so what would the scenario be like? Hunter Henry going to New England with Brady reciting. Second Kurtz Eagles Jerry. They got her got her. It would be your top do now. What if they trade Dallas Goddard than maybe maybe that second question? What the Hell is the FISHBOWL? You guys keep talking about. I think that I just referenced it when he was talking about the half point. Pbr BUT SCOTT FISHES A SOMEBODY. We talk about on the show while he talked about him. One the Humanitarian Award Talked about last month I think but a great guy the industry and he put together this big contest. It started out with one hundred and eighty people. It's now I think pushing thousand people in it and you have all these different leagues and everyone in the industry is planning it. So that's a big bowl. His negative ish. Not everyone that I maybe. This'll be the year for be third question. South Florida wings. Bruise room or Anthony's coal fire. Pizza Bruiser. I've never had anthony's but I have a hard time believing they're better than Bruce Room. Smoke swings triple threat is about well trip with with the triple their on it but yet they have the fried and they had the smoke to get the smoked with the triple threat and they are fantastic to presumes better. I have the triple threat. Well I'll what is it a stamp approval on him to the triple threat. I experience like Teriyaki Barbecue in hot sauce. Right it's like is garlic. There's no talking about girly Req- glad I asked all right. Here's Fran from Argentina. Dynasty League got the following trade offer. I'd give up Devon Single Terry and I would receive decay. Metcalf and Damian Williams. Would you give up Devon Single Terry in Dynasty League for Metcalf in Damian Williams? If you have to win now yes they could give him up for metcalf straight up Yes I would do that and plug. There's a dynasty trade short on the website. That would tell you should do that. Cbs SPORTS DOT COM to more emails. Alex Dear Bill Damian lamarcus and Brandon Bill and brand. Those are Portland Trailblazers. Yes they are. Yes they are. Terrible I commissioned our Home League Ademir the basketball guy namely more was he. Of course I can name them. All they are Bill Walton Damian. I'm not I I you know what I'm not going to dignify. That with. Their response is too easy. Okay he is a good question. Here is another brand new. No he doesn't the Brandon. Oh do I not know the Brandon who ran star Who is it was? His career cut short by injuries man. He was later you dubbed when I was at was amazing at Yuda. He got traded on draft night for OJ male right zep part of the trade. Maybe what's his last name? Roy Brandon Roy S. I'm pretty sure I knew that. All right keeper league to round premium so cannot keep anyone drafted in the first two rounds. waiver wire keepers cost an eleventh round pick and a second waiver wire keeper costs a twelfth round pick. But we're having a hard time figuring out what the premium should be for players who were drafted dropped and then picked up off the waiver wire. For example someone got frustrated early and drop Nixon who was originally originally drafted in the second round. I wanted to keep him to get to pay. The waiver. Wire add price for an eleventh or the draft price second. Or what do you do in that situation? We actually have one of these rules in place in one of my keeper leagues where you're not allowed to keep these players if there. I have a league like this as well. We attached the draft Round two I have a league like this and we make them waiver wire editions. I I'd probably go with beds of their draft values. What you have to keep them by the way not surprised. I'm sure you're not surprised I was wrong about the trade it was. Oj Mayo for Kevin Love Andrea Friday night. Br at Roy all right last email from Chris who wins this trade Leonard Fournette and beyond a Johnson for Terry maclaurin and the twenty twenty one point six six six of the first round for Indiana Johnson for maclaurin and the six pick of the first round team be. I'll take long term the young guys if you need to win now the Fornet Yeah I think record is the most valuable piece in the deal and the number six pick is almost the second most valuable pick so I will take the Maclaurin side Sarah Trade Charlie could see somewhere. Heath cbssports com or you can just Google Dynasty trade charts. Cbs sports or he's coming. Yeah anything that a major google that all right. Thank you for listening to everybody. If you WANNA see Heath incorrectly quote me on twitter. You know he's doing that During during the show. That's fun. Thank you for participating in our twitter polls in our facebook group. Make sure you join the FACEBOOK GROUP. Fantasy football today tomorrow. They're going to talk about the rookie tight ends and what we can expect from Hopkinson and the rest of them in twenty twenty and thanks again amalgamated. There is way too much. Bs in the world of sports. I'm David Sampson. Host of the daily podcast. 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NFL Draft Breakdown: NFC Winners & Losers

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NFL Draft Breakdown: NFC Winners & Losers

"This is Christian Kirk with Arizona Cardinals. And you're listening to the fantasy football podcast. Welcome to the fantasy footballers podcast coming to you from pristine auction dot com studios with your hose, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike, right? Welcome in. So happy to be here. Joined by Jason and Mike, I'm Andy Holloway. And this is the fantasy football podcast coming to you Tuesday, April thirtieth. So much to talk about so exciting times are. Times are very exciting. Mike, weeded Rica don't all whole show and not even talk about football. Yeah. You're still riding high on game of thrones. Oh, not just thrones. Oh danger. Everything NFL draft. Everything is everything is very good right now, I really have nothing to look forward to anymore. Well, I that goes for you, maybe but not our listeners not the case supporters, the rookie in dire. No rankings the rookie and dynasty rankings are in the ultimate draft kit right now as promised we've had time to digest all of the happenings from Thursday, Friday, Saturday, the NFL draft, the fantasy football implicat- implications. I'm so excited to talk about winners and losers today, we're talking through the NFC teams. And when I say winners or losers. It's not just it's really not even talking about necessarily which rookies went where. But which rookies effect other players on these teams there were some big time winners based on, you know, competition not being drafted right for where they line up. Oh, I mean, I I was holding my breath the entire draft overtime Oakland was on because you know, I just had a dynasty startup draft. Derek carr. His his whole career can change in the blink of an eye. You know, is is he I like that it goes to Jarrett car. Meanwhile, Damian Williams skyrockets to adopt him. Meanwhile, Terrel Henderson drafted directly behind girly. Look so much to talk about. But I get what you're saying. Because if Dwayne Haskins is drafted by Oakland their careers is done by way of fantasy starter Ville, probably self. Eloquent eloquent. Yes, I I'm just I'm hyped. I'm ready to go on. There's there's a lot of news to cover on today's show as well. So there is news. Stay tuned. Do not miss it. We also want to kick things off with a big big big announcement. And nothing says big announcement like. You or? Jason is do you live up to blue from willy Wonka? Assemble listen, we are we've we've teased it a little bit. But we're very excited to announce the people's fantasy tour. Yeah, presented by pristine auction. We are coming live is a live podcast tour. We did it last year for the first time we're coming coast to coast this June, July and August, and I'm just speaking for myself. I don't know about these guys. But this is the most fun you can possibly have hated it. 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You start making your plans, you can buy all five city to or cross somebody shows up to all five I'll give you a medal. That's how I'll figure it out. I'll get you. Some kind of metal Mike is forging metal medallions for our listeners. So that's what's going on. I mean, a button became a buy button. I mean like one of those was Dicker with a sticker. It's it's a dog sticker. Yeah. Bolers lie dot com. Just reminds you. Let's get into the news. News and notes from around the league presented by sleeper. See that was so exciting. Oh, we were riding high for now. We gotta talk about tyreek hill. Let's quickly. I mainly. All right. Audio has been released. The case has been reopened against tyreek hill, he's not partaking in any team activities, and essentially we got word this morning via sleeper that it's very likely. He's added to the commissioners exemplified very soon as this investigation. Proceeds and we always talk about you know, when you don't know what a team's gonna do look at what their actual transactions are. And obviously in the draft their first pick the Kansas City Chiefs, I pick they went and drafted a tyreek hill comparible style of player saying that. That could be an indication that they do not expect to keep him. Why? And people want our opinion on this ever since the news broke give me a percentage chance to think tyreek hill plays football. Again. I would say it's about five percent and not with the chiefs. Again, I'll go maybe five to ten percent this year ongoing zero percent chance that he plays again. But it won't be for the chiefs. I think he'll get cut. He'll be on the exemplify he'll be gone for a couple years. And then some team will take a gamble in a risk. You know? I know I know we've seen it too many times these these teams when there's a young talented player. I mean, it's a shame. Yeah. It just it stinks. It stinks. Ultimately for tyreek hill the person what his decision making. And in those impacted the victims of this situation, his girlfriend the child we're just pray full that you know, they're in a safe situation. ESPN's Adam Schefter reporters real chance that Doug Baldwin will be unable. To continue playing and the Seattle Seahawks degree by drafting to I'd receivers. Yeah. All the jokes. We've been making over the last month or two when you weren't supposed to do this. They feel worse. Now, we're like he's he's he's gonna be a machine with jokes because he was going to come back right way football. And this this has not looking likely, so we'll talk through the ru- the wide receiver situation a little bit on the show today with the NFC winners and losers from the draft. There won't be an announcement soon because there are salary cap ramifications. And they said that Doug Baldwin himself will make that announcement not the team if he decides to retire. We know he's undergone multiple surgeries Assam season. It's not looking good. And the big man the big lefty Sebastian. Yes. He has retired sea bass swimming off into the night. I means there's only one player left from that draft class. Oh, really in the NFL. Is that Tom Brady is sure is Tom Brady has outlasted the mall. Wow. And this is a eighteen year. Retirement fertile Jankowski? So a reminder that was today's news notes brought to you by the sleeper app. Ask you Commissioner to move over to sleeper great platform for your dynasty league. Always improving guys. Let's get into it. We'll go win. All right NFC winners and losers were starting in the NFC west Brooks strategically weird rearranged our show docs this week. So that we had the opportunity to start with the NFC. And then I look in in our dock and we're starting with the NFC west. And then I say, wow, we're gonna start with the cardinals in the NFC west pure coincidence. No number one pick. They have a number one pack, and I guess winter me. Yeah. Arizona fans are excited and this was fares on fans for fantasy fans. This is a good draft. This is a draft. That means that the players the incumbents the existing players on this roster. David Johnson, Larry FitzGerald, these were players that last year was rough sledding bad offense mines bad personnel problems. Josh Rosen was traded Cuyler Murray goes number one overall they invest too high. Capital picks on wide receivers. They draft three wide receivers. Overall, India's Abella Akeem Butler who was if you remember the wide receiver show one of my favorites. And then Keyshawn Johnson. Guys. You gave yourself a brand new quarterback. You gave cliff Kingsbury the guy you wanted. And then you gave him a ton of weapons in this draft. Andy Isabella ran a four three one fastest wide receiver. Akeem Butler is a a dynamic outside playmaker. Winners and losers from this draft. I think all the offense of players and cardinals fantasy fans and cardinals fans in general were winners. Yeah. I think David Johnson is a huge winner. Here. You're you've got you've got a new offense of mind coming in. And clearly the team said we want to get playmakers. We wanna get people they could bus things open keep chains moving. And while it's not going to be all roses this year. You know, I've got him down for a good five win. It will be no rose. It will be no Rosen's either. Who is you might say. Big loser in this situation. Basically they traded Josh Rosen franey Isabella, right? And they traded a second wolf fifth rounder next year a man, but I mean, this is good news for David Johnson. Things will open up for him. You know, we've we've talked about in the past rushing quarterback slots open things up for the running back. So I mean, David Johnson should be, you know, one of those top picks in in the beginning of the first how do you feel about? Christian Kirk Kristen had a in. Okay. Rookie season got hurt. Larry Joe Christian Kirk really the only two threats on that office before this draft. And then you bring in Isabela Butler Johnson is would you classify Christian Kirk is a loser of this draft or a winner because the Kyla Murray, selection and the offense you you'd have to call him a loser from the fact that like his so me I know fantasy wise in that's because the air raid system now has the the weapons that needs to actually succeed. It's not force feed these two guys because they're the only two capable wide receivers on the team. So I think you have to downgrade Christian Kirk at least what his ceiling could be because I both both Isabela in Keene Butler in at least in my breakdown, our alpha level players these are guys that could be number one's on their team. Keen Butler six five over to twenty. He's a he's a beast of a man and. And so you can't say that Kirk is for sure gonna be the number one guy. It's a brand new system. It's a brand new quarterback. So he's he's he's pretty much at the grand floor with the otherwise, I will say this. He he's a winner Anna loser. Because you're right. His ceiling Ziva was but his draft cost is going to be nothing. Now when whenever a team comes in and draughts three rookie wide receivers. You're not going to say, Chris Chris the one, but there's a good chance here. The Chris Kirk is is the one as the, you know, the only veteran under the age of thirty four on the wrong. Other similarities to like, how you view drawn a milestone last year with the three income and rookies in Green Bay, and how you might view Christie Kirk this year and the three rookies coming in and Arizona, I think it's a fair fair points. Because it's it's a little bit different where we hadn't. We haven't seen. We had our in carton together. Right. Well, you hadn't seen a lot. Bring college fromm Geronimo. So Kim coming into the situation felt like the rookies could easily overtake him even in he might pin. You took the job. So Kirk is a little bit more established is what I'm saying than Allison was in that scenario. All right before we move onto the Rams, I will say this. We kind of come at it from three Engels with Arizona. We have our own personal fandom just being born raised out here cardinal fans. My own personal fandom has not been a Josh Rosen fan. I wasn't happy that we drafted him. You've heard me talk about it on the show. Then you have the fantasy perspective right and fantasy wise. I wasn't a Josh Rosen fan. But as a person he impressed me through this situation. I people don't know this. I thought I'd mention it after the trade. He was sent to the dolphins after he was traded. He still stayed out here in Phoenix participated in the charity of infra Larry FitzGerald softball game in the in the fans out here gave Miranda applauses. He left posted a really kind of funny nice, respectful classy video, and he was not complaining through this whole thing. I hope he has success in Miami. I really do. He I think this could be one of those win win wins for Rosen where he doesn't have to come in new week one. Like, it's fits magic down there. In Miami's gotta plan. They're gonna trust the process in Rosa can spend a little bit more time. You don't think Rosen ends up week one starter? No. I do not you think. Jason. I think he will. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Let's move onto the Rams. There is one big story line to talk about with Los Angeles in their draft. Obviously, we're focusing often players Jason knows what it is. And that would be. The fact that the Los Angeles Rams traded up to pick up at the very beginning of the third round. At the top of the third rail. Good one of Mike, and is I think favorite running back in the draft. Daryl Henderson out of Memphis. And if you are a Todd Gurley owner is impossible not to call this a loss. A loser situation for Todd Gurley coming out of the draft. Obviously, Malcolm Brown big loser. If he was the perceived handcuff but Todd Gurley this is some high draft capital insurance for an MVP level running back. How do you feel being you know, you you have girly in our dynasty league? Jason. Yes. Please talk about that. Look, I feel negative about it. The reality is, you know, we just say fuck about you, don't you don't wanna follow coachspeak coach saying all the great things about getting really the ball. What you wanna follow his transactions? What is the team doing with their money with their capital with their draft picks? And what they chose to do was bring back the backup, Malcolm Brown, and then trade up for a third rounder and grab another running back because they are going to probably Batman and Robin. This let me let me set that table a little bit more for you. They brought back Malcolm Brown. They matched an offer. He went out and was desired by another team in the ramp said, no, we can't possibly lose. You. They traded up in the third round. This was only their second pick in the draft. So this it was their third pick. They are is really Twardy. Needs title. They had a big need. Apparently that was over running back. Yeah. Don't say big knee because that's different thing. Here's the thing. We just put up our dynasty rankings rookie rankings. It is very difficult. No matter what side of the fence, you're on with girlies. Hell it's super difficult to rank him in dynasty formats right now. Yes. Because you just don't know what's true. And what's false. I was staring down, you know. And maybe no more now or maybe they're just insuring themselves with a more dynamic player. It pass catcher in Henderson incase. Girly goes down. I was staring down girly and Joe mix and my dynasty rankings. Just going can I really move girly below mix. And I couldn't do it. But I know Andy you did do it. It was it was I think girlies at seven in my dynasty runningback rankings. And there is a difference. So fantasy owners here's here's the two scenarios that I see for Todd girl, you guys tell me if you agree scenario. One is Todd Gurley isn't bad. Back to full health and won't get back to full health, and we'll play a platoon role. The other situation is simply that toddler is. Now, a higher injury risk in general, but is back to full health will be the lead dog and they needed to invest in a running back because of the risk. I leaned that direction. The that he will be back. He will be back to who. He was but millions of dollars wallets of their owners. That's true. What's crazy about that for fantasy? And this. I'm talking redraft when you're sitting there pick number three and Todd Gurley is there, and you actually have hesitance about drafting him. And I I won't blame you at all. That's going to be a very difficult thing to call your shot say, Yep. Todd girlies fine. He's going to get all those Golan carries yet again, especially when they added Daryl Henderson, he's re people. Darrell Henderson is really really good pleased draft as late as you can. Redrafting if there was ever situation, you where you need more information for as long as you can this is it. Existing receiving core wasn't affected. They didn't take any white outs in this draft didn't need to know. They don't Cooper cop. Coming back. Robber was Brandin cooks. All right. Let's move onto the forty Niners. The forty Niners spent the first pick Nick Bosa and then went wide receiver wide receiver in the second and third rounds top of each round on deebo Samuel and then. Yeah. Deebo Samuel Jalen Hurd. Those are two really good wide receivers. And yeah, I go ahead. Keep in mind deebo Samuel was the third wide receiver taken in the draft. They could've they had their pick of just about anyone out there. And they saw what a lot of people say C, which is debate does evoke great player. I mean, that's more draft capital spent here than what they spent on Dante Pettis. So the the question is is negative for Dante Pettus is negative from Archies Goodwin. Certainly Markey's Goodwin agreed has gone from fringe relevance to probably irrelevance at this point. Deebo Samuel is a good wind out. We neglected him in our rookie show. He was in our show, doc, we just time it time. We ended up. I think talking about Isabel at the end and talk about deebo lot of people projected depot to go well below guys like de que Metcalf. The went way after him. But I know he's he's a favorite of many Jalen Hurd is much. He played in the slot ton in college. He also played running back only played one year wide receiver. There's a there's some opinion that I've read about heard being used in a kind of Cordeiro Patterson type of role in this offense, so kick returner one. No, no. I mean gadget player. I mean. We're it's just funny. When I hear people use that conflict. Well, it may not work out. Very well for cordray will not I'm not talking early career Cordeiro are I'm talking about last year with the patriots where he had the opportunity to take hand-offs to take little this. And that so. I believe that Dante Petters elite talent, and there's always a balance between putting more talent on a team and taking away from Pettus. I think it comes down to what is the confidence level that Jimmy Garoppolo and the team hasn't Dante Pettus. And if you believe let's let's subsitute, right? Like, if I don't know the giants when they had Dell had drafted deebo Samuel, Jalen Hurd, you wouldn't think twice about no not at all. Because a great talent demands. Great targets the this. It's very similar to. Excuse me, it Tricia Kirk. I mean, Chris Kirk was the second round pick last year showed enough on to the team on film. Like this is a good player. He's going to be able to do things. He's interesting fantasy. And then the team just came in and replenished the the war chest with wide receiver. So and I saw that as it's a negative for Christian Kirk this team to me, this is a negative to Dante Pettus the team could be better. But you for me, I'm moving down a couple of minutes not to say that can't succeed. I think he has to succeed. I think he will succeed, but the opportunity he has now is more difficult. But then he'll he'll be the one. He would have been the one before the drafting is the one after the draft. That's the only part to me that I'm if he's on the field the same. You have some town more talent around him. But he didn't he's not losing his wide receiver one spot. I think the big the biggest winner in the whole situation Jimmy Garoppolo Jimmy gras because. Yes. Sammy Jalen her? Yeah. That's where we need to focus or good players. And maybe it doesn't happen year one and in their rookie year, but you know, future wise, I think Jimmy Garoppolo has some great weapons Kyle Shanahan there. I I really like San Francisco did as far as you know, you get the elite pass and then you focus on your offense. Would you move Jimmy geo based on this draft? Because if there's one thing that we haven't had any clarity on. And maybe that's starting to drip over into wide receivers. We don't know of its memory jerk. Mckinnon or Tevin Coleman shirt, we might not know of his deebo. Samuel Dante Pettis Jalen her marquees Goodwin or George Kittle. But we know it's. Dynasty, all move him up. But short term. I mean, these are still rookies. So I'm not gonna go crazy for the handsome one before we move off the team, though, we got you know, how old that punter is Mitch was now skied. No, I I am not aware of the punter selected four three fourth row selection. Always in Utah. Oh, no. He went on his mission. He's probably twenty. He's twenty seven years old. And he got drafted Mitch. You're my hero for telling me we can go back can we enter Brooks twenty seven was a bit ago. Now, look I can put up I can punt the ball at least fifteen yards. Jason was our punter on our flag team as I was is it third. He got up to thirty yards. With a forward. Roll nice for some shakes. Thanks more six Jason more. I don't give a catchable ball. All right. Let's talk about this is. Let's talk about the Seattle Seahawks winners and losers from this draft main their weight room, the big winter, decay Metcalf, and Gary Jennings junior to white outs drafted in the third or sorry. The very end of the second round for Metcalf and the middle of the fourth round for Gary Jennings out of West Virginia. They also drafted a running back. Did they not in the six round? But who who are the winners and losers on the Seahawks? I mean word I think we do disagree about this the way that we were seeing the rookie drafts. Go I think Metcalf was loser. As far as rookie selections going to low volume passing team. They there are run first team Schottenheimer. We've we've covered this ad nauseam. I think it was a not the best landing spot for what Metcalf could have become an what everyone wanted to what what? The draft Twitter wanted him to become. Yeah. We're going to disagree their dog because I think while he dropped, and that's not good for your your capital. I can't imagine. It's Randy over here. I can't imagine a much better landing spot because Deka Metcalf. I don't I don't see him being one hundred reception type player if he if he pans out, you know, one of those guys it's getting one hundred fifty sixty targets. He he's not a possession guy. He's a deep threat. An amazing talent what he can do. And so, you know, that's where I think you've got a player who's matching up perfect with Russell Wilson. You saw how valuable on low target volume. Tyler Boyd was if you're running around buying time. I can't imagine a better target to throw it over the mountains to than than decay Metcalf. So touchdown lies. I think that's where decays fancy values gonna come. And I think he matched up well to go to team more. Might be losing Doug Baldwin. I don't have the same opinion of Metcalf as I would have if this Baldwin news income out. I think I think it matters. Punt and you have a situation here with with Hollywood Brown with AJ Brown with decay mccafe's where low pass offenses drafted some of the best talent. Yeah. At the wide receiver position. So you would you take decay Metcalf over a J Brown? I would would you take Metcalf over Markey's Brown? I would so in that situation with what's going on with with Russell Wilson. I think you have opportunity I think it obviously helps Russell Wilson to have been given a couple more weapons. But you're right. There were probably there were other homes that he could onto that would've made you happier. We just say, I don't know. We haven't really discussed this. But I feel like as a whole not for every player out there. But if you just take the masses of the rookies that were drafted this draft really sucked for them. Yes. Like. All the players that I thought had a real chance break they went to just piss poor situations where it's like that's really not where I want him going and everybody I didn't like was like, oh, no. That's a really good spot. Yeah. Look at you. David montgomery. Yeah. It'll be very interesting because you know, like, I don't know if there's as much excitement around rookie dress. I mean, we did two of them today into a remainder leagues. We started them. There's a sense that there are couple of names to kill Harry and Josh Jacobs that you're kind of sure about what's going on. But then there's this muddied middle where you know, guys will emerge, but there's just not a lot to go on. Yeah. I have Kyla Murray rings very high in my for rookie drafts in generally speaking that does not happen with with a quarterback because guys are just in such bad situations. All right. It's time to move onto the NFC east. Brooks your Cowboys. Cowboys didn't do a lot on the office of side of the ball at all a couple of handcuffs. Tony Pollard at a Memphis running back and seventh-round running back as well. What's funny is gonna be the winners are are Michael Galvin Randall Cobb because you have invested third fourth fifth round pick on a wide receiver to compete on the outside with Amari Cooper Gallup in Cobb didn't do it. So like for instance, if this is if if the Cowboys drafted Andy Isabella Raina com is is looking troubled. So. I was gonna say what's funny is I like, Mike Weber more. The like their seventh round running back more than Tony Pollard. Like that'll be very interesting to see who actually ends up as Ezekiel's direct. Hang rectal handcuffing, his backup. I mean draft capital says that things are very very against Weber from Ohio State. But that's that's who I think it is right now and Pollard. He's everything I've seen about him is he's actually kick return. He's gonna immediately be are starting kick returner. It seems like that's what they drafted him for. Yeah. I mean, you know, the handcuff I'm not worried in redraft league. No. But we're talking rookie drafts. Like that's important for for you to have if you have Zeke in the way that the Cowboys around rookie pick. Yeah. You just get you'd wanna be targeting the I would. And would you go so far as to say, you believe Weber will be that guy? Right. I do think he will be. All right. The New York Giants the football giants. The Daniel Jones giants look. Hey. There was den teams that wanted Daniel Joe, it's me Dave look Daniel head. Did you have to see the meaning three years me? Dave. Yeah. That was great to Dave got him in talking about the fact that they could take the model of him sitting three years. Do they know how old the manning is? Here's the funny thing is somebody said, the Daniel Jones looks exactly like such a good tweets actually, like a person cast to play lamenting in a movie. Yes. It's so good. And so Dana Jones goes number six. I don't blame. I get them. Get a lot of crap. Yeah. But if that's actually the guy that you want, and you think it's your franchise trade down. No. Because somebody could I mean, look if you act deemed if you actually believe it you have to take that guy. I don't I don't blame him for that. I blame for scouting. I don't agree that he's the guy. Well, but he's also a relevant. I think he plays the second half of this year. I do because we'll be winless at that point. Right. Exactly. But for fantasy purposes he's Brooks put in Daniel Jones's agent as a winner from the draft sterling shepherd is a winner from the drag. Yeah, you know, you had how many picks in this draft three first rounders to fifth rounders, and you didn't invest in a wide receiver until the fifth. Frown Shepard got paid. And now he didn't get. The supplanted by any of that top in talent. You could argue the same for Evan Ingram. You know, the the fact that the splits with everything room with and without Oto Beckham have been really good for him. My my worry here Tate. Actually, I do think that Daniel Jones gets on the field. So I'm not I'm not I'm not ever worried too much about second half the season. When I'm in a redraft. I'm looking much more how we're gonna get out of the gate, but if Daniel Jones comes in it's it's to me for sure bad for all pass catcher. So I don't see this is a pure win for sterling shepherd and Evan Ingraham. If it turns out that their team is worse. And then they get a rookie quarterback midway through the season. Now Brooks if you if you were playing ally like you plan this year as your dynasty starter. He's a loser in this draft as well. Okay. Dang it. Yeah. All right. So excited to play them. I'm excited. Talk about the Philadelphia Eagles because despite having only five picks in this draft. There's a lot of fantasy implication, just second round mile Sanders. Penn State running back one of the highest recruited running backs as he headed independence day was the backup saquon. Mile Sanders in the second round says we're not going to rest on the Jordan Howard, fifth round exchange were looking for a three down guy for multiple years mile Sanders. And then in the later of what four picks later, they traded up for JJ or Sega Whiteside, sir. Wide receiver out of Stanford. Makes Carson Winston winner to me you get you Hartson wins a couple of weapons. Mile Sanders lanes in pretty good home. I mean, look the first pick you take a one of the best pass blocking offense of taxes in the draft. The second pick you draft a running back that can catch passes at Penn State. The third pick you draft Sega Genesis. And you got another great weapon who's kind of canal, Sean Jeffrey comp in the jump ball. Touchdown tight type of player. And so I think Carson Wentz is a is a huge winner in this draft out. That was when I was watching the draft every pick. I just kept thinking, man. That's that's good for wins. Oh, that's good for once. Yeah. I don't disagree. Jordan Howard was a loser for fantasy owners that you bought into him being traded to Philly the way I would break down right now is and I'm I one of my nice Elise. Jordan Howard, owner drafted mile Sanders with the third pick in the rookie draft today. And I know in my heart that this. This is gonna suck because mile Sanders. I think we'll see a lot of work. And I think Jordan Howard will steal a lot of touchdowns. And I think I'm gonna be displeased. Now, it's very possible. Jordan Howard, m is he in the final year of his deal. Yes. So this is a rent. That's a situation where this is why I rank mile Sanders ahead of David Montgomery, which I know you guys are the opposite. But I one of the reasons is I feel like the Philly offense. Doug Peterson Carson Wentz starting next year's mile Sanders. Mile Sanders could have earned himself very strong three down role. Do you disagree with that possibility? I disagree with the possibility of three down in the sense that they're such a committee, and they're so committed to not using one single back. But I think they could work themselves down to being to backs, and, you know, this is more than Dighton in my view of and you knew this before the draft and before they got Jordan Howard how much they wanted to upgrade their running. Position they were not happy with the Corey Clement window Smallwood Josh Adams, trifecta of guys off the street. They said we've got you know, they didn't trade much for Jordan Howard, who's a quality running back. And then they use the capital that they had to grab another quality running back. I I think the offense is better. But I think it's gonna be a to me and show to there'd be an upgrade though. Yes. The problem with the eagles has been three four guys at the same time. Yeah. I think that's why they invested in Sanders specifically because he has a more diverse skillset than other guys that they've had slotted in. And like you said last year was tough to watch Clement never did it. Josh Adams, flashed me little bits here. And there let's talk about the Redskins. The Redskins grabbed Dwayne Haskins at fifteen the grab a wide receiver. Mclaren at the twelfth pick of the third round. Another running back Bryce love in the fourth round who they expect to be backed by middle of training camp. Bryce love bracelet. Probably. Have gone gone a year ago. Second rails Eck in bro. Yeah. You heard himself staying at school. Well, grade school kids, you're hurting yourself. Yeah. Exactly. This is. Interesting to me that they have dairy guys who they I mean, they invested very very highly Darius guys, and I know he got hurt. But your plan is okay. Let's let's make sure we have insurance for our hurt guy with the Hertz value value. The reality is the insurance for near his guys Adrian Peterson the insurance for critter Thompson, the injured guy was the injured guy. So they've got three injured guys. Eighty three inch Guidi guys equal one healthy. Right. Ski- smart move. You just voltron. Here's the truth though. This is not to me, you try to read the tea leaves here. Fourth-round early fourth round pick on Bryce love. It just goes to reinforce the the the news the percolating. Rumors of dairies Geis's, very slow development back from injury. Only a few days ago. You got another report that he is moving slowly through this. This is why what if they done. Here's their confidence level in various guises return for fantasy owners let's pay Adrian Peterson. Let's draft Bryce love in the fourth round. That's all we have. So I would not be enthusiastic for this offense one that is currently led by some either Haskins or keenum or Cole McCoy with three different running backs with a myriad of kind of wide receivers. We don't know who's gonna emerge. This offense is going to struggle. That is my concern. Yeah. I'm not. I'm not I'm not happy. Who's the the losers? Washington Redskins for for the immediate future. Tosh Johnston over the long run. You know, if doing Haskins pans out. Out if you know, he's the guy and Geiss gets healthy and Bryce love gets healthy. And you could have something down the line. I didn't love what they did at wide receiver. They needed help drafted one. But not now your favorite not in my top fifteen. Who starts week one for Washington. Quarterback keenum punter, Mike. I don't know maybe maybe running back. There's a lot of questions for any ball team who starts quarterback Haskins. Who did you say J? I said keenum break tie good McCoy, Dwayne Haskins joined Haskins playing for his life gruden's plan for his life. Yes. All right. The bears the bears only at five picks in this draft. But we got to talk about here, boys. David montgomery. None of us were huge Montgomery fans. I am now. Third round. I've said this so many times before I will take opportunity over talent one hundred out of one hundred times. And that's not say, David, Montgomery isn't talented. But just right before the draft. I talked about I don't see what a lot of other people. See, I know he's well rounded it can do a little bit of everything a lot of had in my notes that if a team were to invest heavily in him. I think he would be great. And I don't think team's going to do that team did that because similar what you bringing up with you know, other teams trading up, and they didn't have. Their first pick though, the bears were they had interview. After interview after interview with all the running next multiple interviews with the same guys, they clearly were showing their hands at they were looking at a running back except they didn't have enough picks. Like, they didn't have they had. So few picks in the draft that I did not think they were going to be able to do it. And then they used extra to trade up to get David Montgomery who has then been given the Kareem hunt comp by Nagy who used cream hunt as a well rounded back, and I think I think Montgomery comes in right off the bat with two hundred and fifty touches. And is the main it doesn't matter what we think about them before if Matt Nagy thinks, he's everything exactly. And that's. Yeah. No. He has a great opportunity in Chicago. You know, they jettison. Jordan Howard, wasn't a fit David Montgomery. They feel like is a fit current regime. Mike Davis that was phone. The big loser. Malcolm Brown, those of your offseason losers. Those those guys on that fringe, right? Chris Warren member when we talked about Kris Warren in Oakland. I tried to forget about it one. Isaiah Crowell and one Josh Jacobs later and Chris Warren, don't even just drop. Yeah. Well, if you're in a super deep dynasty league, also drop it. You know, what I'm gonna do? Oh, you you've got him on your team. I'm gonna drop them on air. Oh, guess lot. Warren debt is a rage drop because you can't even pick an right? That's right. I'm gonna take care of that. Ok picking up Chris Morin. Go ahead. But no, that's the reality of the draft. If you if you are investing in a low, I mean, this white wideouts to, you know, Jake Coomer, oh, all the dynasty rage. But if Green Bay drafted three or four White House that you wouldn't have drive capital matters. That's why it was incredibly sad to see two of my lower to your back that I liked I knew it was I knew it was tougher for them. But Alex Barnes and air booby Williams were both undrafted. I just bro. I do want to confirm that. I just verified he did. In fact, drop Chris Warren, he has been dropped. I have cannot leave Kaga that asking the question that maybe should have kind of been part of the Gumri discussion to begin with. Toroc right. What happens to Cohen because Cohen had this seemingly big opportunity. Jason you just said David Montgomery has two hundred fifty touches those do not compute. I think I think they I think they can't compute. I mean, I I actually started them out already. And if you look Tariq is not a guy who gets a ton of carries. And so he's the guy that's going to be getting you know, a hundred hundred and fifty carries and then used in the passing game. I think he'll be about what he was last year which was serviceable at times disappointing at times. But I do think David Montgomery will be the predominant guy in the timeshare. Yeah. I agree code will be okay. But. Montgomery is gonna be great. All right. Let's talk about the Detroit Lions use their first round pick. Right. Where I thought they would TJ hockey. And by the way, we didn't even update that note. Nothing nothing to look yet. He see here. I actually won are our rookie predictions. I have four correct. You guys had to each. So if you add your scores up together you tied me. Yeah. That was only on the back of Dave Gettleman. I hope you're happy with yourself. It's me if Dave Gettleman had drafted Josh Allen, clearly who should have drafted a number six, then TJ hawks would have gone to the Jags at seven where I am going. But then they're like sin. Allen's here sim butts Candian. So we're tied at three and three in my world. Right. Yeah. Your world is always very Jason favored. Yes. It is teaching hawk consent to Detroit o. It was breaking news about that. He's expected to be the started week one. Yeah. He is the number of NFL draft expected to be used right off the bat. You know, even that needs tighthead. That's good. He good blocker. And such a good pass catcher who will be an immediate weapon on an offense that needs them. He will also be an an asset to carry on Johnson. Who I think is another winner in this graph? It's a great blocking tight end. And didn't have another running back drafted the year of carry on get ready. Wow. A year prepare yourselves. Okay. All right Perry on about my guys. Don't you do? Oh, dude. It's Andy's guide. I heard it even Brooks. I would look Jesse James who was an offseason pickup. That's he's a big loser. In detroit. Otherwise, you know, you could make the argument that they didn't do a lot else to to address the passing game. Bohol concern is a big one and from a dynasty perspective. I think he's a very valuable. He's tied in dynasty. He's already talked to twenty. Yeah. I I have like eight or nine. Yeah. You you could argue Marvin Jones is a winner here because getting out there on on used early capital on one of these water Cevers he could start looking like he's being shown the door. All right. Let's get to Green Bay Green Bay. Well, not a lot to look at. They did spend a third round pick. They were one of the teams rumored to need a tight end. Maybe in the know Olea sweepstakes needed one last year. And they got Mary Steenburgen is who it was. Hand that Jay Stein doing that to jas. Tell him Steiner is Steinbrenner member the owner of the third round pick out jas stern burger, do we think that he will have some relevance running back. Dexter williams. Also drafted in the six round stern burger will not this year. But I think Sternberg is a good player, and he'll be Toby serviceable. Yeah. Once they realized that Jimmy Graham, just let him off to pasture. I think they realize that I think that's why they were. So I mean between Hogson and Fant they most mock dress had them taking tight end because they completely realized they realized that I mean, they Jimmy Graham is not the answer at tight in. And they need an answer. You're right to point out that you know, it's going to take a couple years for stern burger he's not he's not gonna come in rookie or Donald burger. And so yeah. But in a dynasty league, whatever I think, you know, he'll be in the third row. Round, you know, a late guy that I think you could hold onto stash for couple years starnberger will start next year. Jimmy Graham will be going. I can only hope for the what a burger nickname. I want that in their how what a what a catch. What a burger come on. Okay. What? It's there. We'll work through. Yeah. We've got time. We gotta wait until he claimed broil. Yeah. Yes. To earn. It like Disney did. Oh, goodness. Big montana. He came out of nowhere got himself nickname. That's all I'm saying. All right. If your name is Ron Wilson Marquez Valdez scaling echinacea Brown. They didn't go get another big wide receiver. I was surprised the robber -tunities for Green Bay to do that. And they didn't. And the reason they did not do that is because they're fine there. I mean, they they've got a good up and coming core of wide receivers. I think that the the biggest winner to me of those up and coming players is going to be drama, Alison, I leave. He's very talented. He's got a great report there in Rogers Aaron Rodgers loves them. He was off to hot start in the beginning of last year with him until the injury. They didn't go out and replace any of the wide receivers. So all of them all of them are big winners in this year's draft because they get another year with Rogers to step into the offense. But I think Allison's guy I'm most excited about I the Minnesota Vikings sound the alarms. Colorado's time may become into a close. It irv. Smith junior second round tight end draft at I Alabama by the Vikings. That's kind of the headline there. There was they did draft. Alexander Alexander, Madison. This is in this is legit he handcuffed for cook. This this is something you need to pay attention to if I have Dalvand cook who is thus far showed himself very prone to getting hurt. Alex Alexander Madison would be a primary target for me. I would expect you don't have to pay a huge price for him. But back in the second round, you're gonna wanna think about it. He's he's from Boise state. I really liked them. I really really liked Madison. He won me over by the end because he can do everything. And I think that he's one of those just super tough dudes who if given the if Delvin cook went down, Alex, everyone would freak out for Alexander, Madison. So just make sure. Sure, you're prepared. I would I would throw out that he could he could have relevance. He's not just strictly hand Latinas Murray had relevance there. Even when Delvin cook was there. So he you know, if they timeshare at all or use him, you know around the goal line. I don't expect them. I don't expect him to be a star certainly not with cook. But he could be relevant. He's one of those guys you could draft as a handcuff because he could be an option in your flex later. But I think the big winner here in Minnesota's clearly Kirk cousins you spend your first four picks on offense. You get a center you get a guard. And you get a tight end protecting the line and the tight end in Smith is a great downfield weapon. If he gets spend all that money on those wideouts better have a quarterback that's upright to throat to them Atlanta. Let's talk about Atlanta. They interesting draft. Matt Ryan looks like a winner for the same reason. Kirk cousins is guard tackle I two picks in the first round in the first round. Yeah. You could also say devante Freeman winner. No high investment on another running back. You got ITO Smith and devante Freeman. It will be it will be Freeman ITO Smith. And these are some good lime in in my opinion that they drafted this is a huge huge sign of confidence in. Devante Freeman by the Atlanta Falcons. So I I'm not necessarily gonna move Freeman up. But just solidifies take it breath solidifies the offseason feelings of that the team is already fully invested him. They don't need to move L move on. And they're not I ring Quadri Alison running back taking he gives me a little bit of pause from calling Ito's Smith a winner because he could come in and like ITO Smith. I mean, make no mistake. He could be okay. But he sucked. He was terrible last year. He was very big this point for the falcons that go out and draft the running back. I mean, you need it to for depth. But my point is believe he can come in and just win that job and be the backup. So I. I don't see this as a huge win for ITO. But definitely devante Freeman. And Matt Ryan, I mean, I know we've had some arguments over where Matt Ryan should finish. But so far the last couple of weeks have gone really well for him with the schedule coming out the domes that he's playing in. Now, the offensive line two first rounders on the offensive line, which was very necessary. Those things are just good for the whole offense. The Carolina Panthers winners and losers to me. The big winners on this roster DJ Morin, courtesy mule, courtesy emails probably the biggest winner of the mall because he has an opportunity to stay at the wide receiver to position. And he is a very explosive player in limited touches, courtesy him fantasy relevance last year. I think he may be one of those sleeper type of guys it ends up in our ultimate draft yet. Because. Someone has to catch the ball. They're Devin funchess is gone and can't just be Christian McCaffrey. And if you just DJ more you'd better move him up rankings because more Samuel McCaffrey that's going to be their offense. No, I I agree completely Samuel is a great sleeper option. I would if you're out there. Go try trait from in six I think a lot of people even the have Samuel don't realize how good he was last year, which was essentially his rookie year, if he becomes the one I wouldn't wouldn't expect that, but I certainly would not be surprised if he becomes a primary target as opposed EJ more last season. He had five touchdowns five hundred dollars saving on forty receptions, and has a an opportunity to level up and hold courtesy Mulas twelve. Is twenty two years old possible DJ Morris twenty two years old? So they've got to was it August the DJ Moore's older now he's not here to San moulder by half year. But I mean, you've got to super young studs in. If if. You know, if Cam Newton comes back with a with a shoulder in place, then there's an opportunity there. He is. He can turn turns Mets they aren't grabbed just undrafted. Real quick Elisa Holyfield from Georgia who is the son of Vander Holyfield is a son or is he I think he was like nephew or something. No, look, oh is it. Oh, is it? Okay. I did not realize who son must be a good punter. Your fish yourself, man. Just be a running back news. Got a good stuff. Are there? Actually did watch. No, no, Joe when when I was watching him I was watching for that. And he does he like punches with. I'm not even joking. He liked punches his stiff arm out, and I'd like this legal. No toke. It is for him. Yeah. All right. The New Orleans Saints New Orleans Saints only had five picks in this draft five. They did invest in a center they had to yes, they had to price retirement. So they did grab a center and Eric McCoy I would say the existing wide receiver core the people there they're winners. I don't know if do breezes a winner in this draft because I felt like they needed some help at the wide receiver position outside of Michael Thomas. You're gonna have to see I mean trick on Smith their counting on try taking a Ted Ginn. Yeah. He's still there. All right. Tampa Bay moving onto Tampa Bay. This was an interesting draft because it was entirely on defense, which has a lot of big winners. Fantasy a lot the fact that they did not at a bunch of wide receivers or quality running backs to this team says that guys like Chris Godwin huge winner here. They're saying we believe in you. Justin Watson you guys can get the job done yet. Another sleeper candidate Justin wants vacated a lot of targets with Humphries leaving with Sean Jackson leaving. And then look I know I've never been a fan of Ronald Jones, but they believe Ronald Jones payment Barbara can get the job done. Now. I'm gonna think it's Peyton barber. But the opportunity for Ronald Jones to step up is certainly there. Now, it is also important to note they drafted yet another place kicker. So the Aguayo days are over man, but they did spend a fifth round pick on Matt gave out of Utah. So these kickers if you go to Utah, and your kicker supplies to old is this guy thirty five you know, that this thing if he's twenty seven to twenty seven year old kickers. Drafted. I didn't know about this. When I was young. Extra five years refined your skills before you have to graduate, no age, given no problem Ford in his forty forty five. Okay. Yes. Still for rookie. I just talked about courtesy mule going into your threes. Twenty two years old winners and losers us actually market price. That's is a okay we talked about it wants Godwin Ronald Jones pain barber as well. Yes. And that does it for the NFC guys anybody. I'm forgetting anything you want to mention before we move on linen. For nets. Big winner. We haven't gone into that on Thursday. We will also announce the winners. 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NFL Draft Marathon: Fantasy QB's and WR's with Ryan Frank

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NFL Draft Marathon: Fantasy QB's and WR's with Ryan Frank

"But is up guys welcome into fancy in sports podcast. This is your host vague. I R- Today we're going to be digging deep into the N._F._l.. Draft mostly by fancy football perspectives now today. I'm glad to be joined by Ryan Frank. He's a host of talking sports with Ryan podcasts and when he discusses the N._F._l.. Fantasy football golf has interviews with a lot of different personalities so welcome. I Ryan how you doing. I'm good thanks for having me. Man should be fun no problem. It's GONNA be a blast so I I was thinking we could discuss the draft and it's like recap it just surprises of the draft so for me yeah so for me. I found the fourth pick clean. Farrell bill was a massive reach on my part. Do you have any take on him. Yeah I mean that was a surprise with the raiders everywhere I saw he was kind eh being projected around that twenty fifth twenty sixth spot so I mean anybody from that Clemson dis a they can play. I mean their whole clemes their whole defense. It's of line got drafted base. Go in the first round so <hes> but with guys like Josh Allen Ed Oliver on the board. It was a little bit of read she almost feel like the raiders got a got him at twenty four but <hes> I guess if you like a guy you like a guy but it it was a bit of a reach yeah. Now I get that totally because especially since on on that D. Line like obviously D. Line is probably one of the best in all of college sports all college football and that creates like sort of issue where you have you don't know which is the one that's the creating the disruption on a particular play so like when you have clear and fair when you have Dexter Lawrence <hes> like you have so many guys on that line three drafted in the top seventeen that you don't know who's being the most impactful player and it's difficult to evaluate yeah. No I totally agree I so I just WanNa get your take on this because like I I was watching. Daniel Jones get drafted a number six yes and that seemed to me as a massive reach. So what's your opinion on him and do you think that the giants like did what would this week. I think I think I mean all these mock drafts going up. You know it's funny. All these mock drafts they're usually never that accurate but I mean all of them had them taken Dwayne askins peck and but apparently they had heard it. I believe in like Dan Patrick or something. He Gots Mandel that they really love this kid but my it wasn't a fact that they took him in general but it was a fact that they took him at that pick. I mean they could have got him at seventeen. I think if they like I mean is again one one of those. If you like him you go up and get your guy but this kid just. I don't see it personally <hes>. I've watched a little bit of them in the A._C._C. and I mean he didn't even play well against against a good opponent like Clemson and wake forced. He's got the measurable you six five to twenty but I mean he lost one of his last college games fifty nine two seven seven wake forest so I just don't see it. You know maybe with a couple a year or two behind Eli he can develop and that's probably the best situation for him but right right now. I just don't see him being a great quarterback. I completely agree. I had him ranked as my number five quarterback and even even than is legally like I had collar Maria Dwayne Haskins. I had <hes> drew lock. I'd Ryan Finley. I thought all of them were better just because Daniel Jones like he he does have the <hes> intangibles that were looking for in his stature but I'm very concerned about his arm because whenever I see him he doesn't seem to be able to throw downfield in like an accurate manner and away and he also seems like he isn't very aggressive as thrower. You're kind of like Lamar Jackson. He's always run first mentality so I I honestly think he is just a massive reach at the spot especially when you had like other quarterbacks like Dwayne Haskins drew lock on <hes> available at that spot and you even have like impactful defensive players like Ed Oliver Josh Allen and I feel like that would have really fit their needs better yeah. No I agree. I think they for sure if they liked him. They probably could have got him at seventeen but you know who knows if the broncos or somebody like that would have drafted them but I just didn't see it so there there was a story that came out today <hes> that Dave Gelman told the media Ed that he had Intel that to other people were going to other teams are going to take jones like prior to seventeen spa but like who knows how you are accurate that is because obviously he saying that in dollar thing is like I feel as if if you drop someone within the top ten if you're saying he's your franchise has type of guide them. Why are you making excuses just the fact that he's already making excuses for his pick two shows me that like ours Ian of Dave Galman has a plan and how the giants are GonNa go? We also go to think that this is the same guy who said they didn't extend Odell Beckham to trade him so I don't know what's going on in New York but <hes> it's a mess right now yeah and then another surprise was this one was is just more based on availability like Jacksonville got a great pickup at number seven by Josh Allen since teams who really needed him like the raiders like like the giants like he was available for them still didn't take him the edge rusher in linebacker like I honestly I thought he was going to go to the the raiders I die is perfect for scheme so at that's just something that I was astounded by yeah and I think Josh Jaguars Defense is already already pretty good and it has been the last couple of years and sure they've had some moving pieces with guys going elsewhere but I mean him and that Jaguars defense. I think it's still a great it fit and they gotta steal where they got him to know. That definitely is right like getting Josh Allen number seven is incredible bargain again at Jacksonville just based off of that pick like the that's just really good. They also got <hes> Reiko the Ryan Bax like it's interesting that they were able to pick both of them at their spots all right. Those are two great picks for sure I agree with you. Yes <hes> next back to the giants I mean they just had in my opinion a awful draft <hes>. They drafted Dexter Lawrence so I was wondering I do like him as a player because I don't see what a lot of other people see. I thought he was more of a end of first round. <hes> start of second round type of pick yeah I think from what I saw he was he was projected around the the last few picks in the first round so I mean it's yeah once again. It is a reach but I think that what's going to be interesting is the pick that got from adult of the Odell trade so he's always going to be compared even though they don't play the same position as like hey that's. That's the draft pick that we used when we traded Odell. I think he's GonNa he can still be a great player. He's a good run run stopper so <hes> you know with them playing Dallas twice a year and having Zeke and playing the eagles who still like to run the ball and the Redskins who are going to lean on the run so there you know they should it. He's going to be a run stopper if he can. I think he's going to pan out but yeah it was still was a little bit of a reach and like he also tested positive for Austrian Austrian which is a <unk> muscle growth supplement in like a hormone so that made him unable to play in the championship game so yeah we hope does issues don't like come through with him towards the N._F._l.. And hope he just stays out of trouble and yet just models <unk> yeah. No I hopefully everything goes well for him. So I am number Nineteen Jeffrey Simmons so he had an incident in high school where he assaulted a women who is fighting Jeffrey sister and they had previous bad blood on the other hand however and like it's obviously inexcusable action and that took a lot of teams they put him off of their draft towards resolving never to draft him regardless of what spot by want to talk more about his talent. So what do you see out Jeffrey Simmons and like where would you project them. If it was only based off a talent I mean clearly really the guy has talent you know played defensive tackle the S._e._C. so I mean you have to have talent to do that. And if he stays healthy I think he can be a great contributor to that titans defense so <hes> you know obviously his off the field stuff a whole another topic and could come back and buy them but <hes> yeah I mean I think he overall. He's a he's a great talent and I think that if he's putting the right system which you know I I liked the Tennessee's doing on defense. I think that he can contribute and be be just fine. I'm not saying it's going to be like all pro or anything but I think he can be a contributor on that defense yeah yeah I totally agree. I like Jeffrey Simmons. It's undisputable that he's incredibly talented definitely more talented than where he is drafted just <hes> the the previous character issues the good thing though is that Mississippi State stands by his character and they've said that <hes> after the incident he carried himself like <hes> who they want all their players to be so hopefully that stays like that and <hes> Jeffrey Simmons can have a good career with <hes> no off the field issues shoes and at twenty three. I wanted to get your opinion on tightest Howard since you had other offensive linemen like cody Ford wardle Joon Taylor already. They're like a left on the draft boards. So why do you think the Texans chose ties Howard and do think it's a good fit from everything and I don't know too much about this kid but obviously they needed old line help so you know Shawn Watson got sacked a ton last year I would say I think that John Taylor was a great fit as well but for some reason he kept dropping but yeah I mean it's hard to say I don't look at a lot of these offensive lineman to be honest with you. I don't watch a ton of film I mean I watch film but obviously they saw a bunch of things they liked in this kid so <hes> it's hard to go wrong with offensive guard offensive tackle in the first round. It's not a sexy pick but it's definitely something something that's needed and so I mean they saw their guy and they saw guy they liked so they went up and grabbed him. Yeah I mean I I honestly like I did not like the pick it all with <unk> I had cody Ford as one of my top offensive linemen and just having him out there in the thing that John Tiller he fell so far in the draft file into the second round where early projections had him being like a a fringe top ten pick so it's crazy to see see him follow that far but yeah that's just how it is. They chose ties Howard this other guy that got him so over. You could have a good career since yeah. No it's it's it's interesting to see all these mock drafts but then all these other rankings and then you see see all these kind of I won't say off the wall picks but you just see these guys in our opinion. It's a reach but in their opinion it could have been their number one guy. You know just never know just like if you look at the giants the giants obviously they believed in Daniel Jones when no one else would so there's always the that's my guy factor into all these teams draft boards definitely so next we had on this like the last major surprise. This is only the first for strategy behind like there were plenty of <hes> there are plenty of like surprises throughout the entire draft but I saw Mont Sweat dropping to twenty six and Washington as incredible like fall from what he had been projected to go because of his four four one combine forty which is one of the fastest by defensive linemen and his tape <unk> spoke for itself us gray on tape so it came out that he had a heart condition that took him off the board so I was wondering how you evaluate prospects that do have like a health concerns and how far down like especially specific to the heart like how that changes your perspective on these prospects yeah I heard that as well and I mean clearly and I don't know what the exact condition was but first off Washington had a great draft which is odd to say they didn't <hes> they ah they got great value almost everywhere they drafted <hes> but yeah they gotta steal and Montas sweet especially if this heart condition doesn't isn't serious and I don't think he wouldn't pass Hasa physical to get drafter even be at the you know. I don't think it would be an issue. I mean he clearly. He's gotta go <unk> through some medical protocol of some sort so. I don't think it's as big of a deal as people are anticipating. It is and I I I see her conditions as like they're pretty difficult to evaluate which obviously is hidden as how far you drop because like heart condition like sometimes you can play through certain issues or you could like if you see steph curry in the N._B._A.. Like he had anger issues early in his career but then he fixed those up in now his ankle isn't as large of a concern but heart conditions kind of stay with you like you either have don't and it takes priority over everything else because it's your heart and like obviously you need your heart to survive so hopefully hopefully for him. It's not as serious and hopefully he can be a contributor so yeah so <hes> winners and losers from the draft for me. I had <hes> forementioned Washington On Gary like all that but I think the chase Winna Vich is maybe one of the best players from that team and you got Jarrett Stidham at the price you did which I think thank he could be. The successor to Tom. Brady isn't just like having a backup quarterback. He is going to take the reins. Do you think Jarrett Stidham will end up being their quarterback <hes> like after Tom Brady retires. I'm sorry you're cutting out there just for a second tuck it on. Do you think that Jarrett Stidham will be like the quarterback of the future for the Patriots. It's really hard to say on that. Not because who knows how how many more years Brady's GonNa play it's he's playing incredible. Obviously we all know that and he doesn't show any signs of slowing down and they've drafted guys in you know they've draft guys in the past and everyone's like up here. This is the you know he's replacing radio. <hes> look at Garoppolo Rappalo <hes> and so they've had this in the past. It's hard to really say sure they got younger the backup quarterback position because I believe that Brian Hoyer <hes> and he still might be on the staff. I'm not quite sure <hes> but it's really hard to say I mean he's he's got some talent but he's he's pretty raw and I e Oh sure sure if you can sit behind one of the best quarterbacks of all time if not the best and learn from them for a couple of years. I just don't know Brady's GonNa be done in two years three years you know. How long do you keep a you you know? I just don't know it's hard to say the Patriots though but they are on their draft once again they're playing. They're playing chess and everybody else was playing checkers and now for sure the one position that the Patriots haven't done great in the past is drafting wide receivers but hopefully ankle Harry can break the mold. He has a game similar to that of like he could play a comparable role to rob Gronkowski despite their differing positions but I see a red zone target I see someone who could get up and get it just like Gronkowski can so what do you think in Kiel Harry's like <hes> redraft value is going through his dynasty value later but <hes> his redraft values for this year. I think that this was a great pick and and he is one of without giving away my rankings later he's my number one wide receiver river for <hes> for rookies with that back because you put anybody in that patriots offense catch the ball like he can and you have the best quarterback in of all time time with them losing Hogan and they lost rock. There's there's some and nobody knows what Josh Gordon. You know if he's going to be able to come back so there's you lose a couple of guys in the gain him you know there's a lot of balls to be caught around that offense so I think that he could come in and immediately mmediately be effective so <hes> I really liked that pick and I I watched a lot of PAC twelve box out here on the West Coast <hes> and so I've got got to watch him and he is a really really good receiver. Now I completely agree especially because like <hes> although they did get awesome Severi Jenkins begins to get some of those targets from the vacating row of Rob Gronkowski. I just don't believe in a superior Jenkins's talent. He's like I he. We all know who he is. He's been in the N._F._l.. For Awhile so and especially with like Josh Gordon like <hes> prior to the latest defense he had received a one year suspension suspension <unk> <unk> before this now you have another offensive. It's at least going to be another year meaning that this year for sure <hes> like Josh Josh born won't be on the team and I doubt he's ever going to play football again unfortunately like he has inner demons that take like <hes> the foremost was priority over his football career so I'd like to talk about like cuyler Marine Josh Rosen and like do think Arizona should have drafted collar our Murray and your opinion on the trade <hes> they traded Josh Rosen to dolphins they exchange for a second and a fifth round pick. So what do you think about the entire situation. What a look I think when you bring in a new coach which you know a lot of people were shocked that they brought in a coach got fired from a college team and I think with that you know air-raid sal offense? He's GonNa Bring that into the N._F._l.. And if you'RE GONNA IF YOU'RE GONNA have a new coach you might as well if you have the opportunity which they did get him the quarterback that he wants because really then there's going to be okay you you don't have as many excuses as why we're not winning because we're we're surrounding you with everybody that you want and obviously we knew cliff. Kingsbury had a huge man crush Sean cuyler. Mary I mean it was came out before he even took that job that if you have the number one pick in the draft you take Murray and of course there was surrounding just rumors of Oh. He's GonNa go number one. No He's not going to respond and vice versa. I'm sure they didn't handle it probably the greatest with Josh Rosen and nothing against Josh Rosen. He's a great quarterback once again. I'm a pack twelve guy I and so he was a great quarterback and I just think that yeah if you're gonNA give that coach coach give him all the weapons that he wants and and see where the chips fall and so I think it's a great landing spot. I mean you you surround cuyler Murray. You have have him with a veteran Larry Fitzgerald. You Have David Johnson up all pro running back you. Have you know who who else did. They surround what they surrounded them with <hes> they have Christian Kirk they have you know so they got weapons and so there's going to be not a whole lot of room for hey. We're losing ballgame so I like Color Murray and I hope he succeeds so it's going to be interesting to watch though yeah no for sure like with Arizona like they all they also got wide receiver talent. COMRIE got Andy Isabella in the second round pick their second round pick that got Josh Rosen who I honestly think like he's a law better than people think like if you put could Josh Rosen the prospect into this year's draft like outside of Arizona I'd say I'd say that he'd be the number. One quarterback for many teams is just because Colin Murray he does have some unknowns with his height <hes> with him like he is a very mobile quarterback but that comes with some shortcomings and like I I think that Josh Rosen would have been at least the number two quarterback in this year's class if we didn't know what we knew last year and Arizona didn't have have like a good surrounding cast for him last year with the terrible offense of line so I think that Arizona definitely one in this draft but <hes> if they had traded Josh Rosen prior to the draft so that like his value when take a hit after they drafted in our quarterback I feel as if they could have gone a lot ah larger compensation and they could use that in a different way especially considering those very late second round pick yeah but I think they tried to and I think they wanted wanted either wanted too much or there wasn't that many suitors for Joshua's Outta had him on my second quarterback as well behind Kyle Murray I mean he actually he landed for him. He landed in a great spot so I mean all he's gotTa do is beat out Ryan Fitzpatrick and he's the starting quarterback for the dolphins so <hes> but I think the Arizona tried to trade him earlier they just there's a lot of moving parts that they pride in handle the best but <hes> I think they wanted too much. I think they're still all trying to get that first round value no one was willing to give them that because they saw josh a year Josh Rosen game film and obviously they only want a few games so yeah especially like I there rumors circulating that until pig twenty or twenty one they had been asking for a first round pick and after after that they realize oh wait we need ask for things so they start asking for to change but by then like you're only have a very small sample size of first round except and especially since a quarterback market like it already was small at that point Washington had gone there guy by pig twenty they'd gone join haskins sounds like the all these teams. I needed a quarterback either like they had God set in free agency or they gone set in the draft meaning meaning that like you had just had a lot less demand for Josh Rosen and that served as a negative for the Arizona cardinals by still think that they were winners in the draft because like on a huge fan of scheme Butler will touch on him later but I actually had him as a top three wide receiver prior to the draft and she slept all the way to the Fort Ron which for me is crazy and for yeah go ahead. I was just say I agree with you. I think Arizona degree in the draft as well yeah and for me some losers like giants we already discussed Daniel Jones <unk> Dexter. Williams seems like I'm not a fan of either after spot like I think that Dexter Williams he can be a good player but I see him. As more of a late first round Daniel Jones he he wasn't even in my top four quarterback so I don't know why they grabbed him and the raiders so especially since you had the Khalil Mack Amari Cooper Trade and Khalil Mack amounted to a safety at the end of the first round and obviously the next year pick and then in <hes> Amari Cooper ended up as Josh Jacobs so <unk> like to get your opinion on dislike the raiders in general. Do you think that are as large largest loser as I do and like what do you think of their draft day general use of the raiders yeah. I think you know the the reach in the first round obviously at number four has everybody questioning but I think that them getting Josh Jacobs at twenty four great. They get the running. I'm back. I'm GonNa had excuse me. They had obviously that marshawn Lynch <hes> retire so they had to go out and get a running back. I think he's going it'd be a great fit and and so that part's one of their highlights of their draft I think may I can and Gruden. They're going to get a couple Oh years trying to get this thing right especially with the move and so obviously they got a B already in a trade and so I think overall overall I I don't I didn't look every single pick. They have right at this moment to be honest with you but I think the judge Jacobs going to be a great and he's I think he's the dynasty the rookie running back number one <hes> if if I had to rank by running backs right now for rookies so <hes> granted. It wasn't a great running back class but I I think he's GonNa do great and I think he's going to contribute right away. Yeah I totally agree like entering the draft I had him as my number one and exiting like he's definitely Louis number one running back with the spotlight he doesn't have to be that much. Yes it beat out in aging Isaiah Crowell off for that like a starting running running back slot and especially considering a lot of the other rookie running backs Danko to as desirable places where either they have to wait or they're going to be part of a committee like I think that Josh Jacobs he into perfect spot for dynasty owners and yeah like I I love. I'd love to see like what he does in the N._F._l.. Oh because I believe is talent. Although he was in a three way timeshare at Alabama he definitely landed in the right spot so now how about we move onto like fantasy recap of the whole thing we so far. We've just covered it more in general <hes> surprises winners losers but let's move on to some quarterbacks mainly as a fancy <hes> football thing we already talked a lot about collar Murray but I honestly I think in the air raid offense like he's GonNa have massive upside with this are rushing floor and like how do you think that bodes for the team seem like do you think it boosts running game boosts the passing game like it gives that offense more upside or do you think it's more of a lateral move between Josh Rosen and I Tyler Murray. Oh It's definitely an upside I mean look at offenses that have running quarterbacks or mobile quarterback for that matter. I mean the the quick comparison Evita Russell Wilson Nelson. Obviously they have a lot of a lot in common similar size similar backgrounds baseball that good stuff I don't I think that the heights going to be an issue for car. The Murray <hes> but yeah adding the renting dimension sure from especially from fantasy perspective is going to is nothing but upside so yeah he's quick. He's GonNa find out that there's a lot of Deanza can run similar forty times to him but <hes> and linebackers but I think it's nothing but a positive as long as he can stay healthy bettas and like Collor Murray he definitely has less as a Mike being a first round draft big number nine two <hes> light. My Hi local teams the Oakland A.'s like it shows that he has that athleticism he can run and the good thing about him. Despite a smaller stature is that he knows rose went to get down went to slide and he isn't like a R._G.. Three in which he would go for the extra yard even if it like compromise you like Colin Murray. He knows how sliding he uses that ability very well to like prevent injuries so next I was thinking like what do you think about Daniel Johns <hes> like more of his talents like where he's good where he isn't in his dynasty value you yeah I mean from a fantasy dynasties perspective there. There really isn't much to say because unless Eli or to get it hurt because I mean I'm assuming you're going to play at least one or two more years and even at that I mean Eli is he really a top like twelve quarterback unless you're playing like a twenty team Mhm League and you WanNa handcuff handcuff Eli. I just don't see his value at all. There's no value this year for sure. I mean Like I don't really know <hes> I don't first of all like you. I is a starter right now and he isn't a fancy asset or at least one that isn't unlike super flags or two Q._B.. League like Daniel Jones. I kinda seem as the same person because he needs to work on his arm strength and there's just a lot the things he's fairly Rosza quarterback and even in the A._C._C.. He didn't make like <hes> the lake all A._C._C. teams so I honestly just I don't like him but at a the number fifteen position like Washington drafted Duane askins so <hes> do see anything that concerns do DC anything that you like and like what do you think about is value in redrafting dicey yeah. I think that you know from his standpoint point. He was upset obviously that he didn't get drafted by the giants but realistically he landed in a better place. I mean he landed. He's close to home <hes> he. He wouldn't have played right away in New York and I think he plays you know he has the chance to play right away in in Washington self <hes> who have case keenum their believer Yeah Alex Smith who was obviously injured so I mean he has the chance to play right away as far as <hes> fantasy perspective. It's hard to say I mean they don't have weapons yet. They're getting there <hes> but I think they're trying to set them up for success eventually and so I I mean yeah I I would draft him. He got him as my number two. <hes> dynasty rookie sorry not dynasty but just as rookie of fantasy wise quarterback so <hes> <hes> you know if they can strand him with a little bit more talent. I think he has the chance to succeed. I mean he he did good things at Ohio state. He just not very mobile. Yeah Yeah No. I I completely agree. I like his arm talent. I had him as my number two quarterback this year dynasty in redraft like entering the draft and I think he just it remains there like I think he has <hes> he found two really good spot for him. I agree that the giant spot probably win fit him out. You already had like like rumors coming out that they didn't really like him as a player so I think that Duane fell into a good spot just to veer off a bit like I know we're talked a lot about quarterbacks but I've been asked everyone I know about this. What do you think about Bryce love because Washington drafted Bryce love in the fourth round to be under under guys under Adrian Peterson under Chris Thompson for now? So what do you think about breslow because he obviously has like massive upside. We saw his wash brilliant side. He also gets injured a whole lot yet. What's interesting is I was talking to one of my buddies? I mean last year. If bryce love would have came came out he would have probably been a first or second round draft pick then he got hurt and then all just kind of went downhill from there they I believe they they drafted like in the fourth round and I mean I don't know what they're doing. Dairies guys and you have A._p.. WHO's probably got? I think he's there for another one or two years. It's a very crowded backfield and I think it's just a play away for twenty twenty. I mean it's he's going to not get pro. He probably might not even play down <hes> next year so this is a total like twenty twenty any play <hes> and they're investing in him so <hes> yeah if you want to take a stab on them if you're in like just twenty two twenty you too team Dynasty League which I played him before like one of your last picks you could take them into stash him but other than that I just don't see any value <hes> at the moment but I mean he does of a ton of upside. He's one of the guys can just take it seventy five eighty yards with you know snap of finger like it. It's very very difficult to question his town with seen him like producing numerous times over and over again but then like <hes> on his injuries resist have side tracked him so heavily in his career and I think that just doesn't bode too well for him. So what do you think about drew lock going to Denver and and do you think that he is like a really good prospect and since he's obviously very polarizing with his arm and his accuracy issues which is why do you think about him yeah. The guy's got an arm on him for sure and obviously I have them ranked ahead Daniel Jones and quite frankly most quarterbacks are probably ahead of Daniel Jones's. This is because of playing time but I think he's GONNA be able to learn under learn under flaco a little bit <hes> but my guess is he's going to see the field this year because if you if Denver for start seeing that you know one oh and four one and three start are going to be calling for July and they want to see what you know see what the kid's got they drafted him so <hes> they still got Emmanuel Sanders Philip Lindsay Royce Freeman Court with Sutton still have some decent weapons around also got Noah Fan as a you know one of the new tight ends who's who's going to be really good good and so I think drew lock is going to have some weapons around him to play with. It's just a matter of when he sees the field and I think that Kinda all determines on on how they start the season out as far as record wise and I totally agree like he has armed talent he's made those n._F._l.. Ready throws in college college and he does have enormous potential but he's just so raw in fearless and like those water you thinking throws just like throw me off. I I still have him ranked a law higher than no John's even higher than like Ryan Finley but he's my number three quarterback entering the draft so yeah asleep sweeper Alma just throw is like jared. Obviously we know he is on the Patriots and like people usually look at the top end of the draft raft to see oh which are quarterbacks would they like in their dynasty rookie drives but when you're stepping into the role if he gets that starter job which I believe he will at least for a bit like if he steps into the Patriots offense even if ballot check retires you'll have josh mcdaniels likely as the head coach offensive minded ended head coach. Who's like really help? Tom Brady and I think that Jarrett Stidham is going to be a quarterback that you really want to have in your leagues yeah my if I had to pick kind of a sleeper on that aspect I would actually go will greer because <hes> we don't quite sure no the health of Cam Mhm Newton and so I think that'd be an interesting thing to watch is just you know obviously he did some good things at West Virginia clearly this is wade way down dynasty drafts but in definitely won't be drafted in redraft but you know watch out for Cam Newton's health and will greer he. He's you know they drafted afternoon to kind of be his backup. I believe yeah like warrior is he. He can step in right now. I think he's the most N._F._l.. Ready quarterback it. Just his upside is so limited that I like. He deserves to go where he did. Maybe a bit earlier but <hes> like he can step in right now be he could be like a career backup. That's very good like he's the ultimate backup in my opinion. Oh yeah he could be a crew back. Make you know twenty thirty million dollars. Listen live a good life so twenty thirty million dollars a lot more than I like. I'm every gay guys like He. He can make a Olivia offered that no kidding you know sit there and have a clipboard in your hand. Yeah I yeah I get that so now announced move onto the wide receivers that thank we've already gone so deep into the light dynasty rankings of quarterbacks like from here on now it gets very dry like you have the Clayton Thorson's of the world bridge like although like fancy pros like <hes> Bobby Sylvester. He really loves him like honestly I. That's how low you're getting after this point so I yeah so I talk about a Hollywood brand which is markey's Brown if you didn't know he has as a novelist frank injury and he missed Olov last season probably GonNa miss a lot this season but he went to the Ravens in the first round so they obviously spent stand that draft capital so what do you think about him and his dynasty value given the current lining spots yeah I mean I think he was by far are one of the best if not the best receivers in the draft so I mean they just saw and they like we gotta take them. <hes> you know is a study in college when he's healthy like you said it seems to me that he only catches <hes> now he he's only going to catch passes from Heisman heisman trophy winner so I mean he called Balls Kyle Murray now. He's GonNa catch him from Lamar Jackson so this is going to be great for the Mar- if he can stay healthy in the second year to give them some more weapons and especially quick you know quick receivers so I believe the ravens have a new offensive coordinator Greg Roman and so this can be interesting to watch if Roman lamarcus kind of work together and be on the same page <hes> hopefully they don't lean on the Marta run as much and hopefully they <hes> him in Hollywood Brown can in kind of build a rapport and like I- I ranked Hollywood Brown as probably my number one just based off for talent but his injuries slid down a bit in my draft boards but like just soy based off a talent I loved Hollywood brown coming out of school and I thought it could be like he could be a very good like wide receiver too wide receiver one type in the N._F._l.. And he can make an impact act pretty soon after his injury and I think he's like a Sean Jackson in the way he plays and his abilities to go downfield field but also <hes> gone we aroud slants screens which is good for Lamar as he boys law short pass game but this like his posting go routes are going to be wasted <hes> in that offense in my opinion so next like I've seen this guy as the number one wide receiver for dynasty in like so many different so many people's rankings experts everyone. I'm just not as high on him like to hear what you think on Ankara Harry drafted by the Patriots in the first round as the all aspects yeah. No I mean I have him by number one as well just because of the situation you got put in and and I've I've watched him in the PAC twelve I said before you have yes. They lost like we said before they lost rock and Hogan. I'm the picked picked up an injured you know kind of an injury injured Maria's Thomas for dirt cheap but <hes> He Harry's a stud and I mean you have the goat throwing the ball. It's going to make an immediate impact and I seen comparisons to like like a Dez Bryant comparison so it's GonNa be interesting to see how he fits but I I just don't see how you can't rank him so that high just because of the situation he fell into so it's GonNa be interesting to see but I have him as my number one rookie wide receiver dynasty Hennessy was for me like I don't believe in his talent as much as other people do still think that he could be a great wide receiver in the League for me the main main thing that's taking me a bit down. Him is the situation like I think a lot of people are like hyping up the Patriots situation but when I think that Brady's only gonNA have like two more years of great production and like probably three or four more years three years left in the league so I think that after that it's so uncertain that I have other guys ranked higher in my dynasty rankings but I just think that the situation may not be as good as people think I think it is but he is very strong does have like a great frame. Tall can go up and get it so I see the talent I just I don't know about the situation there there so what about A._J.. Brown he went to the titans in the second round and like I considered him to be my number one wide receiver all things considered seared injuries and whatnot entering the draft by right now he's fallen so far my rankings due to where he ended up. So what do you think about him do you you think you'll be able to do well in the league and I as a fancy asset. You know what I mean. You're right. He getting drafted the titans. GonNa kill his fantasy stock a little bit. I mean the Guy I was astounded. Ole Miss had thirteen hundred yards and six touchdowns but he's going to be kind of that one or two to Corey Davis but I mean unless Tennessee opens up the playbook and gives Marcus Marcus a little more freedom to throw the ball I mean they lean on the run game with their Kennedy and Dion Lewis and the little screen passes and the Atom Humphries in the slot a lot. I mean there's a lot of mouths to feed their with little <hes> manage little passing the ball so I just I don't know unless they ah I liked it there surrounding. Mary owed more weapons but unless they opened up that playbook then I just don't see the fantasy value from A._J.. Bro Yeah now. I I completely agree especially since like Marcus Mariota. I honestly just don't think that he is conducive to creating like a fantasy. You like producing offense because of just <hes> they run on more run heavy scheme with Derrick Henry like seeing him come on at the end of the season and seeing them get winds taking them into the playoffs. I think that their coaching staffs GonNa continue that train of thought and just try to make them run run run and like <unk> for me killed A._J.. Brown's fancy stock. I do see like slight potential but it's just like I I wish that he lend in airline's fault because I thought he could have been stud for both the League and for fancy <unk> he'll still be gray as a normal asset. I'm just not sure about fantasy right now. So next <unk> agree yeah for sure a next we have I decay Thing but I mean you have one of the better deep ball throwers as well in the N._F._l.. And Russell Wilson with with decay metcalf. I think that that could be a very very very good. <hes> you know marriage so to speak on the field <hes> and I'm anxious to see what the kid can do but <hes> all signs point to the kid. Should it'd be really really good and I have him my number two wide receiver rookies. I I completely agree. I have a mess mind number two. I just think we have different number one wide receivers but I've him as my number two wide receiver for dynasty and I because especially since like the unfortunate news that Doug Baldwin Win <hes> it was reported that he may never play another down in the N._F._l.. Again with three surgeries this year unlike like <unk> tug bond with such great receiver in like like just if we have to go just based off a Mac off obviously terrible for Baldwin but by that frees up autonomy targets and <hes> I think that metcalf can certainly beat out tire lock it <hes> I think he's more just deeply threatened. If D came back can develop into that <hes> like a deep play threat but also gang some shorter term work to keep the defenses guessing and learn to play on the other side of the field like he only played on one side of the field <hes> in Ole miss but I think that if he develops potential thank honestly I think his his oxide is enormous Calvin Johnson by thank that his downside is also huge like he could just be eloquent treadwell so so there there's a wide range of outcomes in my opinion but I think that decay Mac have based on the potential based on his like incredible lanes. Thanks bye other than like Green Bay and maybe the colts. I think it's one a D- best landing spots for him. I think that like Dick Metcalf is of extremely highly coveted fancy asa after the draft yeah no he definitely landed in a great spot for for real real football bowl and for fantasy football and then the colts. I think that the codes may have gone like the bar the bargain at the wide receiver a position outside of like Akeem Butler. I think that Peres Campbell going into the second round like in that colts offense makes keys. He is the number one wide receiver in my rankings for dynasty just because I think that you have Devin funchess as like one year rental T._y.. This gang older Andrew luck a ton of time left in that's like a great offense. That's pass heavy that has that touchdown potential with like Andrew throwing forty forty touchdowns forty plus touchdowns last year like an his four three one. Everyone thinks that he's more of a slot receiver but he could rotate throughout the field. Yeah I think that Peres Campbell. He just like a great wide receiver from a real life. Perspective knee landed in absolutely the perfect landing spot. So what do you think about like Campbell and where is he ranked in your rankings. I haven't met number three so I mean behind Harry and decay metcalf half so I mean I think he landed in a pretty good spot. Obviously they're trying to surround Andrew luck with with more weapons and yeah Helton in t y Hilton is is GonNa be Great. He's usually contributes quite a bit. FUNCHESS is still pretty young so I mean he's only twenty four <hes> and so they're actually got a bunch of a CY young wide receiver core <hes> that if they can keep them all together <hes> the it should be great. No I agree with you. I think they gotta steal were they got him out and I just I just have him down number three just because I think the other guys in my opinion landed a little bit better spots but he did land in a great spot and they're gonNA compare them to a Percy. The Harvard is very versatile so hopefully he doesn't have that bus potential as Percy Harbin did but that's they've been seeing him being compared to a lot is harvard and now like I agree that he does have a bit of bus potential but I think I just believe in him as a great dynasty asset so next like our this is one that may get like a bit dicey Miekel hardman he kind of came out of nowhere like <hes> like people who had been ranking like four fancy and stuff like they allow them knew about Miekel harm in but to the general public like he was unknown wide receiver that no one knew about so what do you think about skill set and do think that he can step into like a role like we know that Taibbi kill is. I think he's going to be gone just the atrocious things that he did not even his first offense in like that audio audio clip was obsolete disturbing like hem not even like a being remorseful but like just based on Michael Harman's amp point. Do you think he could step into a similar role as Tyreek Hill like what do you think he is as a fancier asset I think that's going to be it's going to be one of those to be determined. I mean sure he's put in that position because I mean clearly after the tyreek hill situation started to kind of get more fluid they drafted him so obviously they're seeing that his tirade <unk> he shouldn't play other data football. Let alone for the chiefs I just I don't he's probably not gonNA play another down for the chiefs for some weird reason he gets another another shot somewhere else that always happens almost almost <hes> but you know I think Kelsey still the number one target and then Sammy Watkins has yet to really really show that he can be the number one guy somewhere so <hes> I think I think hardman has the ch- he's got. He's put in a great position if tyrod kills kicked off off the team so now it's for him to Kinda. Just take the reins and he he's definitely going to a lot opportunities the way they throw the ball there so <hes> he's definitely a guy to watch out for in the fantasy realm as the kind of this situation plays out and Fisher sure like Terry <unk>. He should never play down football. I think he's GonNa end up in prison. Just based on child abuse case in domestic mystic pounds <unk> deflation plan are down a football. He manned up doing so like we saw with Kareem Hunt like he got a chance again. <hes> Adrian Peterson Persson similar child abuse <unk> God's hands again so we need to see how that plays out but I I definitely think he's not gonNA play down at least for the chiefs so so just based on time constraints. I'm going to move past a couple b-black deebo Samuel for the niners in stuff. I'd just like to get in Mozambican. I'd like to get your the thoughts on Kim Butler and like Andy Isabella for Arizona and how do you think they'll play out. Especially 'cause like any Isabella is a slot receiver <unk> travel into the slot. So who do you think is going to be the number one since the doesn't seem to be established number one outside Larry Kiro than he probably has like one or two years left anyway so do you think that Hakeem Butler could be that <hes> that like diamond in the rough in that fourth round at it could be the Akeem Butler draft class of wide receivers. Yeah I mean I still think that Larry Fitzgerald's GonNa be the number one but yeah obviously he's got one year. Maybe two years left but yeah I mean Akeem Butler and <hes> the the other guy I'm drawing a blank on his name you you just set it and he has a bell. Yeah I mean I think those guys are put in the position of like hey we're going to draft with cuyler and we're going to just kinda. See how all of you guys guys can develop together so I think they both have a good opportunity but now don't don't forget about I would say the number two hundred savers David Johnson still will they use him in the slot and the guy catches you know he can get what sixty seventy balls so these other two guys are going to be kind of fighting for the third word kind of the third share of catches in my opinion but they have the opportunity so I mean there's gotTa go around. You know there's there's plenty of opportunity opportunity around there though I agree that after we star game more of like after Larry after Larry Ichiro because like he he has a year maybe do but yeah I think that like in my opinion I came bowler. He does have the drops in concentration issues and his route running but his catches like he made like they were catches that you barely ever see like even n._f._l.. Receiver make like he makes us highlight reel catches. The shows like the amount of potential is catch radius insane. He could get up and get it like the best them so. I love a game bowler. I thought that it it was pretty good landing spot for him but like especially since they drafted Andy is about and they also drafted keyshawn Johnson like I I own now wires news on drafted three receivers. It's the first time in the <hes> I think like the combination of drafting the team has drafted three wide receivers in a draft so I just found that to be Kinda insane but I believe in came Butler. I think he could be one of the better find receivers from this class so quickly. I'd like to get like like you're just dynasty. quarterback rankings just like <hes> WHO's at what spot for dynasty now for redraft since redraft a law them won't don't get the opportunity this year but in dynasty sense. Who Do you have in your top five yeah so I got Carla Marie obviously for you know reasons reasons we all know <hes> he's GonNa get the best shake and he's he's the starter so <hes> Kyle Moran Dwayne Haskins? I still think he sees the field this year <hes> then. I have drew lock obviously he I think he could see the field this year as well <HES> IF FLACCO starts to slip up <hes> and then I have will greer ahead of Daniel. Neil Jones <hes> just because the opportunity he's got a better opportunity because no one knows Cam Newton's health yet so I mean who knows if Cam Newton misses the first couple of games of the season insert will greer not sure that's going to happen but that's why my rankings are the way they are now so <hes> and then I have Daniel Jones so I have Murray Very Dwayne. Haskins drew lock will greer. Dana Jones yeah so for me. I have car Murray's while at the top of Dwayne Haskins my number. Two I have jared did a number three just because like the potential that he he goes into that starting patriots spot is just huge. Obviously he won't be anything for another two to three years ears. I believe in town. I think that he could be a starter. There ends a better situation than like any of the other players here my opinion <hes> if if he becomes a starter so it's more of a risky pick than number four of drew lock and number five of Dow Jones and honorable mentions. I give two one two Ryan Finley on the bengals because I'll know if Andy Dalton has too much time left in the N._F._l.. And I think that they want to develop Ryan Finley so yes I have Kyla Maria Dwayne Haskins <unk> Drew Lock Daniel Jones Honorable Mention Ryan Finley. So how about your wide receivers what do you have <hes> A- as your rankings of them so yeah we kind of went over these a little bit before but I'll give you the rundown I have Mikhael Harry Decay Metcalf. I have Paris Campbell. Will I have Hollywood Brown and A._J.. Brown even though we gotta discussed earlier about his not the idea landing spot yeah and for me I have Paris Campbell decay metcalf and then I'll make a quick change. I've INC YO Harry is number three Michael Hartmann as number four just because if he could step into tyreek role <hes> H- you'll have so much upside in the offense I think he could be like the number to pass catcher outside of drivers cousy <unk> Sammy Watkins. He hasn't really lived up to all this potential in Ne- has those foot injuries that Nag him a number five keen Butler and the honorable mentioned to A._J.. Brown so I have Campbell metcalf in kill Harry Nicole Hardman and Hakim Butler so a quick note about yeah go ahead. I was just going to say I was GONNA make a slight change about McColl McColl ahead of A._J.. For the record yeah I just think he has the upside given like the situation he's in. I definitely think that's talent challenge to be in the top five but like he does have a lot of similarities to Atari. Kill <hes> outside of his like speed. He still pretty fast but he is an Olympic athlete tyreek. I think that he runs a the same routes he has played in special teams like tyreek and he could Kinda step into that role so I think that's the reason why they selected him because there's so many are wide receivers with different skill sets. I think they just want the one closest to Taibbi. Kill as possible yeah I agree. I am just a quick note about a first year or backs wide receivers for listeners like not ought really that good for fancy at the start of their careers and they need to develop trust and camaraderie so for redraft like every single year you have people saying I wanNA take a really late round fire on this guy this guy right but I think that just go for the veterans go for the <hes> upside the dam because wide receivers don't often duo so at the start so we're running a bit on time so I think that's going to be for podcast so Ryan. Where can you find your podcast and <hes>? Can you give just a quick promo about it. Yes so you could find me. The couple main platforms is obviously apple podcasts and spotify. There's a quite a range of other platforms you can find me but those are the main two. I'm and it's just called talking sports at the Ryan so just

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Evan's Top 50 Dynasty Rookie Rankings (Part 1)

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Evan's Top 50 Dynasty Rookie Rankings (Part 1)

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But I just couldn't find you know, they just weren't worth at the end of the day. We want to chase guys that have some draft capital. We want to chase guys that their teams made in an investment into them. I liked the Laming spots for these guys. And I like at least something about their profile. But I wanted to point them out. We'll start off with Bruce Anderson. He goes to Tampa Bay do Bruce Anderson. Well, first of all, let's just look at Tampa Bay step chart. I mean Payton Arbor, he's on a one year cheap one year deal. You know, he's a limited player. Ronald Jones showed us nothing as a rookie. And you know, there's just not a whole lot on the depth chart in Tampa Bay. I watched Bruce interesting really for the first time last night watched three games of and he's not. A guy that is super elusive. He's kind of a straight line super upright runner only thirty two passes and four seasons in college. But he's got enough size and enough straight-line speed at four five eight that I think he's at least interesting for for the deep dynasty league prospect Elijah Holyfield people know who he is he played Georgia. Of course, shared time there with the Andrea swift next year, I think the Andrea swift is going to be probably the number one running back in the class, really talented guy. But Elijah Holyfield was like the, you know, the tackle breaking grinder there. He goes to the combine he runs four seven eight. Of course, doesn't get drafted. But he goes to a pretty nice landing spot where all he's got to beat out as Cameron Artis Payne and Jordan scarlet who will talk about in a little bit fifth round pick to become the number two behind. Christian McCaffrey Demaria Crockett of the Texans played at Mizzou watch the Butch of him recently. And like you can you can tell why these guys aren't getting drafted. You know, even though they have big time athleticism, and he's he's he falls into that category. Five foot ten to twenty five ran four four flat with a thirty seven inch vertical at Missouri's pro day, but he's super inconsistent. When you watch him play does not have a passing game pedigree. But hey, he he goes to the Texans. You know, Lamar Miller is in the last year of his deal has been underwhelming as the Texans starter there. Number two back is Dante for men who never could quite make it back from his torn achilles last year that has been the no running back in NFL history known running back in NFL history as ever made it back successfully from torn achilles. So Jumeirah cock. It has a chance to ascend. In Houston pretty quickly in a high scoring offense titans. Running back. Alex barnes. You mentioned. He had the number three sparks score. Among all running backs in the two thousand nineteen draft class slash priority. Undrafted free agency class. He's another guy that you when you watch them, the athleticism really does not show up on his on his college film. But it did have a lot of carries a Kansas. He was pretty productive. He gets the ball a little bit. He's big June twenty six pounds, and he goes to Tennessee where they seem very committed under Arthur Smith to a run heavy philosophy. You look at the right guard that they took in the draft Nate Davis. He's a like a mulling right guard prospect, and I think that they are gonna you know, stuck there or put their chips behind Derrick Henry this year, and you. Look down the depth chart. You you got Dion Lewis in the change of pace role. But there isn't a number two back the the next guy, David food. Well, and it was really just a special teamer and it also coming off a season ending injury. So I like sparring is the name to remember and then Jonathan Hilaman who began his career at Boston College. And then finished his career at Rutgers was a committee back throughout that time. But he's got above average measurable another guy who runs in the four or five at two hundred and seventeen pounds. And you look at the giants got chart behind sake. One Barclay not a whole lot. You know? I think it weighing Dahlman is certainly beatable for a roster spot or or at least for number two jobs. So just wanted to mention those guys and then we'll get into the fifty. God I love it especially the situations that they're in. And there is a history of undrafted free agent running backs coming out of nowhere. Even as rookies in having some success. Let's get into some of the guys you did rank in the top fifty which includes by the way, some undrafted guys, including number fifty bangles wide receiver Stanley Morgan. Yeah. So let's start with the Bengals chart, you know, AJ green and Tyler Boyd or both in contract years. I'm sure that they will lock up one if not both. But you know, you never know that helps Stanley Morgan's prospects in Cincinnati. And then the other guy John Ross is sign long-term, but he's already been the subject of trade. Rumors, and he's really done nothing through two seasons Stanley Morgan graduated as Nebraska's all time leader in receptions, and yards was seen as a really good route runner coming out of college didn't drop anything. Was tested in the eighty ninth percentile Stanley Morgan not getting drafted. I think was maybe the single most surprising event. Of the entire three day process. And I think the Bengals got a guy that might contribute to their offense sooner rather than later with so many guys in contract years, and you know, guys not producing like, Josh John Ross. Forty nine is another receiver Seahawks wide receiver. John is Ursula. Yeah. That's what I'm going with. That's what I'm going with the he played it. Hawaii had one monster year. He's a small guy five nine one seventy five. But but he's going to be slot. I mean, he played slot back at Hawaii which runs a run and shoot offense super super productive in his final year there his level of intrigue was raised. Of course when Doug Baldwin retired and that puts Johner Sua very much on the radar radar as potentially Seattle slot receiver of the future. Number forty eight raiders wide receiver hunter Renfro. He was a fifth round pick. And it was a surprise. He didn't go to the patriots. Five ten one eighty six ran four or five nine. So clearly, you know, doesn't have the full package in terms of size and straight line speed. But he's a slot guy. He's a career over lifetime overachiever walks onto Clemson, which you know, if you've been paying attention this team wings national championships walks on their starts for four years. And you know, he is he just he profiles. Very similarly. I think to another Clemson receiver, Adam Humphreys, and I think he could be onto Renfro could be the raiders starting slot receiver from day one. You've got in Tonio Brown and tyrel Williams as primarily outside receivers. And then you know, they cut Seth Roberts. And you know, you look at who is competition would be be like Ryan grant who at this point is like an injury. Prone journeyman. So I think hunter Renfro could be they're starting receiver day one and give you some production right off the bat. I don't know if there's long-term upside is that high. But, you know, hey, you know, if if this team reaches a place where they're throwing the ball a lot, you know, he could it could be a candidate for one hundred targets or something, you know, within the next couple of years and be an actual fantasy asset. Let's get to number forty seven. It's a fourth round wide receiver with the Chicago Bears Riley Ridley, and I I know, you know, this. But yes, the younger brother of Calvin Ridley. Yeah. And I think that that and he's wrote running we're the reasons that he got drafted where he did. Because he wasn't very productive Georgia. Now they did play run first offense. But you know, he he didn't check that Bach for box for production. None of his measurable 's were very good. You know, he's he's sub two hundred pounds. He's kinda tall and kinda skinny, but I I suppose you could eventually replace Taylor Gabriel. She got I Don Robinson their long-term. You got free Burton their long-term got anything Miller in Chicago long-term, you have potentially long-term question marks about the quarterback position in Chicago. It'll be you know, this is a very big year. It's another very big year for Mitchell Trubisky. So, you know, I think I think he's he's probably a guy who you know, might be a good player in real life like a good third or fourth. Receiver in real life. But probably going to help us very much in fantasy anytime soon. Number forty six you have an undrafted free agent. It's a wide receiver for the dolphins. Preston williams. Yeah. Preston Williams went to Tennessee is a five star high school recruit failed a bunch of drug tests goes to Colorado state fails another drug test. You know, he really only played one big one full season in college. But he was wildly productive during that one season. And then and then he goes to his pro he's not invited to the combine due to a domestic violence issue that arose in two thousand seventeen he goes to his pro day, and he wasn't very good at his pro day ran four six plot. All the other measurable 's were pretty disappointing. You know, I clearly the guy has talent, you know. But it's just you know, there's obvious obvious reasons why he did not get trapped in now he goes to Miami. And everything's wide open. There. You know? They're doing a full rebuild the dolphins. Are everything's wide open. So he's got a ton of opportunity there. But he's going to have a very very short leash. So you know, there's there's a good chance than draft Princeton Preston Williams in the fourth or fifth round of your dynasty rookie draft. I mean, he could be cut before training camp. If he does if he makes the slightest mistake. Another undrafted free agents next. Saints running back Divino Zeke, Bo. Yeah. And you had a good amount of support before the draft. I know that Greg Cosell like them. Jeff Norris, loved them that Waldman like them. He also checks check boxes in terms of size and speed because he ran four five four at over tune in twenty pounds at Nebraska's pro day was not invited to the combine which I thought was kinda weird averaged seven yards per carry in his final season at Nebraska ten catch the ball. And you know, he kinda reminded me of the the old Minnesota running back replay was drafted by the titans David Cobb a little bit, but he can catch passes. And that's a big deal any real lot faster at his pro day, then David Cobb did. So I think he's kind of like a rich man's version of David copy goes to he goes to New Orleans where they have, you know, the best offensive line and. League or at least one of the three best offensive lines in the league, and he's going to essentially be the direct backup. I think for Latifi is Murray if something happens to latavius Murray, all of a sudden divine zig bow you know, could find himself in a ten to fourteen per game. Roll in a very productive offense behind a great offensive line. I think he's kind of an exciting fourth round dynasty rookie pick. How about the next guy in your list? It's another running back late in round seven dolphins running back miles Gaskin felt like he was at U dub playing for Washington for like ten years. I swear that guy was running back for Washington for like ten years. Yeah. He had almost a thousand career rushing attempts. So a lot of a lot of wear on the tires. I guess, but it's also an indication that hey, you know, he was earning. Those carries for a long time. And you know, no one could beat them out. You know, isn't super attractive in terms of his you know, his size and his measurable. But he does have that track record of being a high volume work worse. You know at a pretty at at a power five school and any went to you know, again a dolphins team where they're they're not gonna have long-term commitments any of their other running backs. Kenyan Drake contract is about to come up. And you know, Kaelin Balaj was the guy who was drafted by essentially. A different kind of regime, or at least under a different plan, and you know, as a fourth round pick. They're not gonna have a whole lot of loyalty to him. So I think there's just going to be a lot of competition in this backfield in both the short in the longer term and miles Gaskin as as as as shown, you know, at least at a at a high rated college that he can hold off competition in that he can handle a big workload. And they how do we get a lot of fantasy points. It's probably guys to get a lot of touches. Number forty three another running back from a big school. This one's with the Bengals Rodney Anderson who really talented, but he just had a lot of trouble with his health. Yeah. We've got back to back Bengals running back here. Both drafted in the six round. So we can just knock them both out. I think that Rodney Anderson would be more like the direct backup to Joe mixing and preview on Williams would be like the direct backup to Giovanni Bernard. Because Rodney Anderson is more of a, you know, he's two hundred twenty pounds. And if he can stay healthy, which almost never did at Oklahoma. What if you could ever stay healthy? Then, you know, I look if if he had stayed healthy in his college career, he might have been the number one running back drafted in this class. But he's more like the feature back type and then on Williams super super productive at sector, saying them did not test particular, particularly well, but wasn't terrible. But I think that he is going to end up as more of like a change of pace. You know, passing down specialist in the Giovanni Bernard mold, and I think that the Bengals I mean, they've kind of given us indications that they want to move on from Giovanni Bernard sooner rather than later. They drafted Mark Walton in the fourth round last year and this year there they drafted two running backs in the six. Number forty one. That's keep it rolling on the runningback train. I really liked this guy. I watched him against Penn State and some other games. Quadri? Olusen from Pitt is a hammerhead. Yeah. Two hundred and thirty pounds. So he's one of the biggest backs in this class. And he was not a guy that I watched before the draft. But I did watch him after the draft. And yeah, I mean, that's that's exactly what he is. He's a big banger. And I think that you know, he's kinda like what the falcons have wanted Brian Hill to be maybe. And then you know, you look at the top of the falcons depth chart. Devante Freeman has has really struggled with injuries in recent seasons. Multiple knee injuries. And also a foot injury last year and then of groin surgery which sent him to injured reserve now, and he's also had three concussions in his career. Now, he said to be one hundred percent. But you know, I think that there's legitimate concern is his body starting to break down. I mean, he's a little guy. He's taking an awful lot of hits at the NFL. Level. And then you know Smith is coming off knee surgery too. So, you know, it's not crazy to think that Quadri Allison who get involved here. If he has a big training camp and preseason kind of carves out a little bit of a role in the falcons backfield. And then that could turn that can always turn into more as the season progresses. Next up. We keep it rolling. And we got number forty Redskins wide receiver Kelvin Harmon at NC state. This is an interesting one Evan because he had a really productive college career. And I think I did he leave score early. I think a lot of people thought he would get drafted high. And then when people actually started a watching them in Doug inulin of it just didn't happen. Yeah. I mean, he's he's clean off the field. Really is never had an injury. So. Yeah. I mean, the NFL I think that there that the NFL is not is not valuing big receivers as they used to. We saw a lot of guys you know, that are big receivers kind of go later than expected decay Metcalf win early third round Akeem Butler win in the fourth round. Kelvin Harmon is a six round compensatory pick. And he was the thirty third pick in the six round. So he was very very close to being a seventh round pick. And you're right. He was super productive for three seasons at NC state. They're playing with Ryan Finley, you know, big six foot two two hundred and twenty two pounds, really great hands. But did not test. Very well. And did not separate very well in college where he played almost. Strictly outside receiver. I kinda wanted to see him as a big slot receiver in the NFL. But I don't think that we're going to get that. What I think we're going to get is Kelvin Harmon pushing Josh dachshund for playing time this year that disappointing former or two thousand sixteen first round pick, Josh dachshund. I think that Kelvin Harmon is going to compete with him. And I think that Terry MacLaurin is going to compete with pull Richardson as the the sort of for the sort of deep threat role. And I think fray Quinn. He's kind of locked in as their slot receiver, the the the very low investment Kurtz Kelvin harming in these rankings. But I do think he's got a shot at early career opportunity if he can beat out Josh dachshund, much more physical player than John. Stockton is. Been looking forward. Ask you about this one number thirty nine giants quarterback. Daniel Jones, your boy, your boy, Daniel Jones. Why is he my boy? So we've got to stick up for some of you gotta stick up for I'm sticking, I'm sticking up for the fact that everybody acts like it's the biggest idiotic move of all time. When so many people that are saying that literally never watched the dude play. And I don't remember them saying that when the bears took Trubisky is it a dish on Watson, Patrick Mahomes. I just think it's funny that everybody like acts like they totally. No like, they like if if you say this all the time about team getting volume of draft choices if we know anything about the draft. It's that we don't all know, right? Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. And you know, he's he's an athletic guy. He wasn't like a producer as a scrambler really at Duke, but he's very athletic. So that's a good good notch on his profile. They're gonna drop them into an offense where they revamped the offensive line. The offensive line looks pretty good on paper. I mean, you know, we'll do our offense of line rankings. Eventually, but I, you know, I think last year we would definitely had him or we definitely had them bottom three bottom five, and I'm thinking now might have them like in the I don't know sixteen to twenty three range, and that's, you know, a pretty big step up from last year after adding Kevin Zeigler and Mike remers and getting back. John olay peo- from injury Nate soldier. We'll we'll be in his second year in the offense will will Hernandez will be. You know, we'll we'll we'll be in his second year in the NFL. So the offense of line. Suddenly looks like it could be competent. It'll be interesting to see do we see Daniel Jones play this year because he's a six overall pick in the draft and those guys tend to play in their first seasons. If season starts to circle the drain with ally. Manning, I you know, because he plays a devalued position. And because you know, I I didn't particularly love him as a prospect. He's going to be late you give me low in these rankings. But he does have the athleticism, and he does have at least a decent supporting cast. I really would wish that, you know, he if you wanna see him succeed like I think you keep owed L Beckham, you know, because she impr- increases his chances of succeeding, but they've got Evan Ingram. We've got golden take. They got sterling Shepard. They got the improved offensive line. And I think they'll be able to drop them into a little bit a little bit more favorable of a spot than he's probably given credit for. Number thirty eight chiefs running back, James Williams. I believe this is the highest undrafted free agent. You have. Yeah. I think. Yeah. He yeah. He definitely is. We can do the the chiefs running backs back to back here because I just it's going to be like an up for grabs job between these guys. And I think that Darwin Thompson being a compensatory sixth round pick the forty first pick in the six round and then James Williams being UDF eight it's not really that different. You know? But I I do have Darwin Thomson ahead of James Williams because they clearly valued him more. They really had Darwin Thompson higher on the board considering they drafted one. And then, you know, sign one in priority undrafted free agency, James Williams caught a million passes Washington state playing with or playing in Mike Leach's offense. And I think has some similarities to James white. So James Williams is and he's going to a great offense where the numbers one. One and two running backs are like kinda journeyman types. I mean, they mean Williams has been around the league a little be played awesome down the stretch last year. Ten touchdowns in the final six games over one hundred total yards per game. During that stretch. What he's you know. He's still a guy that you know, they don't have a whole lot committed to that extension that he signed what I think it was like three years and nine million. You know, that's not a big commitment. And then Carlos Hyde has been around the lead quite a bit as well. And Garwin Thompson James white are sort of the same style of player. I think that James white is the better receiving back and Darwin Thompson is the better runner. Darwin. Thomson led the nation in yards after contact per rushing attempt this past year almost six yards after contact per rushing attempts at Utah state with hyper hyper efficient, but doesn't have the the receiving pedigree that James Williams does. So I'm kinda, you know. Hedging my bets here putting them back to back. But I think that they both have value. And I think that they should both be drafted in dynasty rookie drafts. Where you've got four or five rounds? Okay. What about this next? One is an interesting one from a dynasty perspective. Redskins running back Bryce love fourth round pick. I think was higher than people thought he would go after that knee injury. And it's interesting. He put videos out there to show his progress. But I know Dr Chow who joins me on the raw sucker football podcast, a former chargers team doctor. He didn't he didn't really think that those those videos were really all that encouraging. Yeah. And there were multiple reports about Bryce Lee Bryce love continuing to experience soreness in his surgically repaired knee. You know, it seems to me just having done this over, you know, twelve years that the level of I dunno medical like Putin see in in terms of like surgically repaired knees is just so much better at the NFL level than at the college level. And you know, I I actually was surprised that Bryce love got drafted. I thought that he was not going to get drafted. Then he goes to a landing spot where you know, you gotta Adrian Peterson. There. You got Darius guys there? You got Chris Thompson got so much AP. Ryan, you know, if you so many bodies how? In house, you're gonna work in the NFL too. I mean, he he was like a really exciting runner at Stanford. But you know, he's below he's his size is not where you want it for feature back, and he wasn't used in the passing game very much at Stanford. I think he has forty six catches and four years. So I don't know. I you know, I think this is sort of a bet on talent situation having him here at number thirty six which in twelve team dynasty league. We'd be a fringe third fourth round rookie pick. But I think that that's probably where he belongs because there's just such a lack of clarity. Where does she fit long term? You know, easy going to max out as maybe like an Austin echo type can even be Austin Ecuador tight because we haven't seen them play very much in the passing game. What's the status of his knee? You know, it's he's a tough one to figure. Yeah. That will be there's a lot of different factors in play there. What about? Let's get to what was he thirty seven. So let's get to now. Number thirty thirty five at thirty five Jordan scarlet with the Panthers. He's a guy by the way that played in the US army bowl. He was he was pretty good prospect at a high school going to Florida. Yeah. In kind of underachieved at Florida never really took the reins as a you know as a fulltime feature back. What's productive in his opportunities? And I think the town is clearly there what kind of hindered him where some off field stuff at Florida. But you know, the Panthers used a fifth round pick on him. Again. You look at this Panthers chart he's going to be competing with. And he's got I think enough size to theoretically be a feature back in plenty of speed you timed in the four fours. So and so's going to beat out Elisa Holyfield, we already discussed way back, you know, in the U DFA five pack and then Cameron Artis Payne to be the number two back behind Christian, McCaffrey. So all of a sudden, you Christian McCaffrey suffers you know, suffers an injury. He's out a few weeks, and we're looking at Jordan scarlet as a potential fantasy starter, you know, in a pr-. Good offense with an offensive line that play pretty well last year, and they supplemented quite a bit with you know, trading for Greg little and signing parodies from the the Broncos. So yeah, I I kinda like Jordan Scarlett, I think he is a very viable late third round dynasty rookie pick in a better better leaning spot than than people might think. Another quarterback here Evan. It's Redskins quarterback DeWayne Haskins to the fifteenth overall pick. Again, you know players are devalued position in normal in regular standard fantasy football leagues dozen at a lot of mobility. I think that he could end up being, you know, a famous factor eventually, but with so many guys coming into the league that can supplement their fantasy scoring with being a dual threat like Kylo Murray, and you know, Sean watching in recent years and Josh Allen. I think that the the kind of. Statue, you know, pocket quarterbacks. I think that they will be able to succeed in the NFL in real life. But just not that the terrible in fantasy you plan to in a two quarterback or super flex dynasty league. You know, then obviously, you you gotta really bumped Wayne Haskins up. But I think that's where he belongs. I think he's long-term number two fantasy quarterback in in like a regular dynasty league. How about Jags tight end? Josh oliver. They took in the third round. Yeah. They took him with the top seventy pick. He was not a blocker at all at Saint Jose stays. He was receiving tight end. And you know, so that kind of tells me because they took him so high, you know, that they're comfortable with his strengths and weaknesses and that they're probably gonna use him as a receiving tight. And you look at the competition that he has for playing time not very stiff in Jacksonville. Jeff Suame, James O'Shaughnessy, Ben Koya check. I mean, Josh Oliver is a guy who's six five to fifty and runs four six three, and you know, trying to balls at ninety balls at San Jose State. I think he went to a pretty intriguing landing spot. You look at history of Nick foles. He's throwing the ball Suzette Gertz. You know, another tight end with any other player in his NFL career. You know, ten Josh Oliver kind of be the the the poor. Man's Aker tes to Nick foles in Jacksonville. I think that that's maybe what the judge are hoping for. Next up. We've got number thirty two Seahawks wide receiver Gary Jennings. This was a guy that really popped out to me every time that I watch will Greer play before the traffic going who is this guy who's this guy? 'cause I just I just started with the quarterbacks and hadn't even looked at any of the receivers. And it was Gary Jennings is a vertical slot receiver. Six foot one about two hundred pounds. And he blew it up at the Combi eighty third percentile spark four four two in the forty average fourteen yards per reception in his career Doug Baldwin leaves. And you know, every everyone kind of gets elevated in that Seattle passing attack. We're gonna get to decay Metcalf on the next show. He's going to obviously be in the top twenty five, but I wound up liking decay Metcalf. More after the draft than I did before the draft because I think it was a good landing spot for him. I think he's an excellent landing spot for Gary Jennings, potentially, you know, as another guy who has a shot to be Seattle. Long-term new slot receiver. Number thirty one the last one for this week. We'll get to the top thirty the next couple of weeks but number thirty one Redskins wide receiver. Terry MacLaurin who got a lot of buzz like in the pre draft process senior bowl. And he he's with his college teammate Dwayne Haskins with the Redskins. Only had about seventy catches in his college career. But you know, he was really only asked to do one thing. They at Ohio State. It's interesting. They, you know, they use like Paris Campbell in this certain role, and he really never diverts from that. He was like a drag route and flat route runner Terry MacLaurin was the guy who kind of strikes the field a little bit more. And you know, he's he kind of reminded me of devry Henderson the old Saint swag receiver. Excellent gunner at Ohio State made fifteen special teams tackles created takeaways as a gunner. I just don't know. You know, what what what is his true route inventory in the NFL gonna hold? I it's hard to say you watch these Ohio State receivers, it looks like they're really really limited. But they're only being asked to do, you know certain things I think that Peres Campbell is going to be able to expand. I'm not sure about Terry mcchord. I just don't know. But I think that you know, if you just look at what they the talent that they have the young talent that they have in Washington. I think he has a chance to be the Redskins like deep threat of the future. And then I think Kelvin Harmon has a chance will be at longer to be the Redskins possession receiver of the future in twig. Tree Quinn to be the slot receiver of the future with Wayne Haskins. Of course quarterback. Evan. You are the man you outdid yourself again. And here's the deal. Not only can you use Evans dynasty rankings for, you know, dynasty fantasy football or redraft or whatever they could also help you with some of the profits that are out there for some of these young guys at that online dot AG using the promo code podcast one. You get a fifty percent. Welcome bonus. So maybe you want to bet on the NBA conference finals, the timber timber wolves the Toronto Raptors in the Milwaukee Bucks tip off tonight. 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And I guess after what he did at the combine Greg I need to start with decay Metcalf. Very curious to hear what you saw from him. When you're watching the videotape because by the way, just a reminder Greg's going to go by what he saw on the ole miss coaching tape. Not by what the guy looks like or what did the combine? Well, he does he does look like you. And I rose I noticed that immediately, right. No, not quite not quite. Okay. Well, you know, McKesson interesting guy because he's he's a big physically explosive athlete. He ran by people in the SEC. He ran by off coverage corners in the SEC. So there's no question that he's got great speed. He's a straight line player at this point in his career, though. He's what we call very linear. He's not necessarily a refined route runner, he's not the kind of guy that's going to come in and out of break smoothly cleanly. Just yet at this point. He he he rounds off his routes. And that's okay. You know depends on the the pass game concept. You can go back to the greatest show on turf. And those guys, you know, they rounded off their route that was the nature of the past game. They didn't sink their hips, and you know, and and run routes that way. So there are. Fences in which you can do that. But there's no question that he's he's fast. He defeated press coverage when people press them with his size with his strength. So he got cleanly off the line. You know, there's not many receivers with his height weight speed profile that will probably get him drafted high. You know when you watch him. Do you think is Julio Jones? I don't think he's quite that guy. But you think of the Mike Evans of the world, you'd think of the Josh Gordon to the world if for people who remember this wasn't that long ago, you'd think of the Vincent Jackson's, you know, you think of that kind of guy big receivers who can run so mccafe's a fascinating guy. Now a lot of people before we move on. We'll look at some of the other tests like the twenty yard shuttle the three cone he did very poorly in those tests. Right. And it just sounds like hearing you talk, Greg. That's just not the type of receiver. He is. He's not that kind of guy. I know you said Vincent Jackson. Mike evans. Not quite on Morton. Yeah. Josh what about what about like a te'o? I mean, I guess when I see his yet. I kinda thought to oh, you know. And that's an interesting comparison because one could argue that Teo was a little stiff too. I mean, he was obviously big and explosive, but he was a little straight line not a bit comparison. You know, I think Metcalf look I spoke to a number of people as well who thought that he could be your classic boomer bust player. There's no question that he has the size and the traits to be the factor at all three levels of the defense. Whether that happens that remains to be seen. But he certainly has the traits to be. That guy. What about his teammate gray while we're talking ole miss receivers? That's just go right to AJ Brown. His team majors also ranked pretty high. Yeah. I found AJ Brown to be an interesting guy. I watch an awful lot of them. Because I watched him in two thousand seventeen I watched him in two thousand eighteen he you know, he's not really like a Julio Jones. I mean, he's not quite that guy. But there's a savvy and refinement to his game as a route runner that I think will transition. Well, I think what really helped him Ross he played in the slot. Almost exclusively in two thousand seventeen he played in the slot. Almost exclusively for the first seven eight games in two thousand eighteen and then they moved him outside. And I think that that was big for him. He actually did pretty well when they moved him outside later in the season, and he showed some ability. To win from that spot. Now, the one thing about Brown. He's not overly athletic or explosive, but he checks a lot of boxes as far as route running savvy hands competitive toughness. There's the more. I watched him the more. I liked him. Even though he's not the kinda guy that jumps off the film. Interesting. All right. Let's move on to some of the other receivers. It's interesting. Those were a couple of bigger guys. Now, he had a recent surgery was not able to be really participate in the Combi. But that's not where we're watching. Anyway, I wanna hear what you think of marquees Hollywood Brown from Oklahoma. I think he's like five nine bucks sixty eight or five nine quarters one sixty six unbel- one hundred sixty six pounds, Greg which is less than two Sean Jackson less than T Y Hilton to receiver who I thought he was similar to in terms of size and vertical explosiveness. You know, my sense is that Brown will line up both outside in slot. He has gained breaking speed. That's always into manned in the NFL. Maybe not a volume receiver. Although certainly t y Hilton is I think he'll align all over the formation. I think they'll see him as someone who can create matchup issues and place coverage demands on the defense. He's a speed and space receiver. That's what he is. Ross. Right. And and it feels like with every passing year. Greg Craig me, if I'm wrong, the NFL was becoming more of a speed and space league where right? They're looking for guys like that now. No, he's going to be in demand because he can run obviously, he didn't run a forty at the combine. But look I learned very early on when I started going to the combine Ross fast guys run fast. He's a fast guy. He's he's that's just the way it is. So he's a speed guy. You need him in space. You get them. You know, he caught a ton of shallow crosses at Oklahoma. Where he just turned it up, and obviously he can present the vertical dimension in run by people. That's in demand. Moving onto a some more of the bigger receivers. What about Kelvin Harmon from NC state? Okay. There's a guy, and you know, again, you know, all I do is watch the tape. I think he's got natural toughness. I think he's physically competitive that always projects. Well, he's got a big body over six to weigh two hundred twenty pounds. I. I think he's more measured. He's not explosive. He's a little stiff at times he's a little upright. He's not particularly fluid. My question would him is whether he can consistently separate and win versus quality NFL man coverage. He's not a burst guys not speed guy. So I I'm not sure about Kelvin harm it to be honest with you. Man between Ryan Finley and Kelvin harming Greg. Is it fair to say that you hate NC state and every player from come on now, Raj. Now, people are gonna like on Twitter are going to start telling me, I hate NC state come on anybody, Greg. That's been listening to you on this show for years knows you don't even care at a one zero to what school they go to go by what you see. And there have been plenty of years where you've sung the praises of NC state player. Just say this about harming you know, he's he's a size hands a body control receiver more than a fluid movement receiver. So the question is is he someone like alshon Jeffery? Can he be that guy and alshon is a good NFL receiver, you know? And then and I'll shine is not a burst guy at this point his career. You know, you don't look at L, Sean Jeffey when you watch the eagles and go. Wow. Look at the fluidity look at the burst. But he's a. Sized hands body control receiver. It's amazing, Greg. How many of these receivers have somewhat similar measurable? You know, the next way I'm going to get hit you on his Nikial hairy. Arizona state another really big physical kid. I always think it's interesting. How you separate them in your mind when you discuss them with me, and how the teams are separating these guys. Yeah. And Harry is look he was six two and three eighths to Twenty-eight. He actually ran a little better than I thought he ran a four or five three. Look he presents that size hands body control contested catch profile that a lot of X receivers in the NFL are about when we say x for the audience. That's the single receiver to the boundary to the short side of the field. He has great awareness on the on the boundary. He's got terrific ball skills. He's not explosive. He had some great run after catch plays at Arizona state. But he's not an explosive guy. He's he it's more of a big strong body. You know, the NFL pass game. Now, you think about how he projects the NFL Pasquin. There's a lot more short passes the in the entire league. And so you wonder I don't think he moves as well as let's say Michael Thomas, but I think depending on this system someone could see him as that kind of receiver in there. Office. He doesn't have the natural rat running quickness of Thomas. God. What about the Georgia guys, there's Riley Ridley? And then there's the speed demon McColl hardman. What did you see when you watch the Georgia receivers on tape? Well, Hardiman I haven't gotten to yet. But really, I watched carefully. I liked Ridley a lot. I think his traits are exceeded his production. It was a conservative college offense. I think he has the desired combination of size and length and movement. I thought he had a very good feel for how to run routes and defeat both off coverage in press coverage. People might look at his forty time which was four or five eight and think oh, he's not fast. But you know, I think that he showed a relatively advanced sense of refinement as a route runner he he was very detailed. He understood how to attack the leverage of corners and to create separation at the top of his route stem. There were many many examples of this. When I watched his tape. I like I like that too Greg where you said the traits exceeded his production because they do run the ball out there. It's not like some of these other offenses in college football that are Chuck in and around all over the price. So. I like that. What about I gotta ask you about Andy Isabella from UMass curious. He was fun to watch. Tell me about it. Yeah. That kid was a lot of fun to watch. And then he runs a four three one. I mean, how about that? Ross you in you ready for three one didn't you? Well, and what's funny about that is Greg? I think when you watch him and people could tell he's fast, but just because of his profile. I think people always initially think he's a quickness slot guy. You know, he's a quick slack guy. And he is that because that's the thing. Greg. We've talked about this before not all fast guys are quick. And not all quick guys are fat, right? Actually, pretty rare that you have both like he does. Yeah. He's kinda both. Okay. He's both quick and fast. He's got a sudden is too short area movement. He's got the speed to run by the defense. He plays fast. He plays explosively. You know, look, you could look at him and think hey is he could it be Julian Edelman the way Allman is utilized by the patriots now almonds a little bigger and plays a strong or more physical game. Well, Isabelle is straight line faster. I you know, I think that it's easy to stereotype him as purely a slot receiver. But you know, and I know in today's NFL with the continuing expansion of past game concepts and all the multiple formations is a Belic unlikely lineup both inside and outside. You know, think of someone like Taylor Gabriel. Okay. Tell her Gabriel is actually smaller than Isabela, and he lines up on the outside. And he's one vertically in the NFL. So, you know, isabela's forty yard dash time suggests that there are times he can line up on the outside and get vertical. But I think you'll see him as a movement receiver. They'll motion him he'll be in the slot. I was. Fascinated with his tape. Yeah. And I feel like I'll go back to Hollywood Brown to a little bit marquees Hollywood Brown. I feel like with all these teams like any us all these jet sweeps and trying to distract the eyes and the vision of linebackers and safeties and getting them the hesitate even just a little bit. You get these guys that run for three sprinting laterally at the snap. And you don't know whether they hand him the ball and the jet sweep or not. I mean, it makes it tough Greg to be right because you're going to be you're going to be a step behind. You're going to be to be a step behind for the jet sweep or you might have a false step. If you do take a step towards the jet sweep, and that's really all McVay and Andy Reid, and they're they're really just trying to get you to take one false step a lot times. Right. No. You're exactly right. But but Isabelle I found him. Really fascinating anybody else. Greg that jumped out to you, maybe Emmanuel hall from Missouri or Sega Whiteside from Stanford doing Mitchell, Oregon anybody else, we should guy I really liked on Kate. And that's a keen bowler from Iowa State. Okay. I he was six five and three eighths in two twenty seven you're in a four four nine his vertical jump was thirty six inches. I think he presents a fascinating combination of size stride, Ling hands. He's actually pretty fluid for a guy that size. I think he is your classic ex. But he can also be a matchup problem in the in the conventional slot and the inside slot two trips. Don't forget NFL corners tend to range from five eleven to six one and the NFL Ross has become a league in which ex. I though boundary. Receivers are critical to passing games. You get a lot of men coverage. I is that x eyeso- receiver, and I think Butler would with experience in coaching can really fill that role effectively. So what's the knock on? I'm Greg that he's not ranked higher. I think some people, you know, had feel he had too many drops. And he did have too many drops. But I wouldn't say that he has bad hands. But I think this kid, and again, you know, me Ross I don't sit around here and say where a guy gets drafted. So I don't know that. But boy, I really like Akeem Butler, maybe I'll be totally wrong. But I think this kid is one of you know, obviously, everybody's talking about de que MetLife Metcalf and deservedly so, but I think this kid is fascinating. Well, I absolutely love. And I mean love these positional breakdowns every week next week. We'll either dive into the running backs or the tight ends the old line will be here before you know, it, but that was excellent Greg the player comparisons the guys that you felt strongly about like Ridley and keen Butler, and maybe on the other side Kelvin Harmon. That's what I love you know, that you've got the strong opinions just based on the tape. And then we'll see how plays out, and you know, to Greg just because it guy successful or not that doesn't mean you were wrong or right? So much of that ends up being what situation he goes to how to blah, blah, blah, blah. Oh that that's really important, and it's hard to know that. But I think that's absolutely critical Greg you're the man thanks so much for the time as always thanks for us. Appreciate it. He really is the man I mean, he. Loved Ridley love to keen Butler could tell he wasn't. He didn't like Kelvin harm in that much or Nikiel Harry. I love that Gregg is the man, by the way, even if you start to lose your hair, you can be the man I've been losing my hair for like ten years, and I'm still the man, or at least trying to be keeping as much hair as I can with the best company I've found to do. So and that is keeps. So I'd say five or six years ago. 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Go to keeps dot com slash Ross. Tucker, that's K E EPS dot com slash Ross. Tucker for a free month of treatment at keeps dot com slash Ross. Tucker keeps hair today hair tomorrow. Jeez. Ross biggest quote unquote news from yesterday Antonio Brown. Well, this should all become into a head with the Steelers expecting to move him potentially by tomorrow. Right. We'll see that kind of tells me that the Steelers have a couple of things in the in the fire, and they know that Monday is the start of sort of the legal tampering period. And they kind of want to get this resolved by the end of this week. They just want to get it figured out one way or the other. And I sound like they've got enough to go on. I would think that they'll get at least a second round pick for him. Would not be surprised if it's the raiders first round pick would that be that bad for the raiders you traded Amari Cooper for a first round pick that you know, has a year left on his contract, and you get in Tonio Brownback and return has three years contract. I mean, if you put it in that context, it doesn't seem like that bad of a trade for the raiders. Maybe even the Steelers give you a seventh or sixth or another pick on the back end back. So not not too shabby if you are. Are the Pittsburgh Steelers or the Oakland Raiders, I think that's going to happen? I mean, it just it makes too much sense. But who knows maybe somebody else comes in sneaks in and gets the deal done. Jeez. Ross what's going on in Cleveland right now a lot of rumors. There are a lot of rumors Bri, which is interesting. It sounds like, you know, Jarvis Landry has been saying stuff on social media. Other Browns players, then you've got Odom Beckham junior kind of sending emojis back to them and Cleveland is a buzz right now. There's talk of maybe Kevin Zeitler to the giants. That would make a lot of sense. Because obviously the giants would love to improve their offense of line. They've made that abundantly clear. So there are some things that make sense here Bri, I guess, what doesn't make sense is the giants. Just sign them last year. They gave him a twenty million dollar signing bonus that would be a twenty one million dollar dead cap hit and they gave him the big part of the money. I mean, you'd think that the giants would one Odell. Beckham you so unless Pat Shurmur really really doesn't like Odell Beckham junior, and is just that desperate to move on. I don't see it. I I don't think it's going to happen. I'm saying no on this one bribe. But you never know. We'll see there's there's there. Rumors for a reason. Maybe there ends up being some some truth to them. Stay with the one fact we do know about the Browns is that they released linebacker, Jamie Collins yesterday saving nine point two five million dollars in kept space. Right. And he did, you know lead them in tackles last year. But I don't think he made the plays that they felt like he should make he's their highest paid defensive player. And like, I've said a lot this month over the last month, or so I just think that it gets the point where they think you know, what he's we like him. But we don't like him at that amount. He's not worth it at that amount. And so boom they've elected to move on and use that money. Elsewhere. Now, they have over eighty million dollars in cap space. Jeez. Only transactions so far today, and it is Thursday ten seven and thirty six seconds eastern time ravens giving tight end Nick boil a new deal pay him eighteen million dollars over the next three years. Ten million of which is guaranteed. And I think I saw Mike lay who doesn't ice job for ESPN. I think I saw where he said that Boyle blacked on seventy eight percent of his plays last year. Seventy eight percent that's a high number. No wonder Jake Fischer is trying to lose weight to be a blocking tight end. I mean, first of all any offensive lineman for the most part that loses some weight becomes the titan. They're going to be a better blocker than a tight end. And so seven eight percent of the time. You just want the guy to block and he only run a couple routes. Wow. That's pretty interesting. To me boil arguably the best blocking tight end in the NFL other than gronk, I would say, but ten million guaranteed. The thing that's interesting about boil to he's been busted for steroids multiple times. So. I guess that helps them be strong for when he's blocking defensive linemen. And it seems like it's kind of paid off for him. 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Thanks again for the fascinating and informative analysis currently wearing my sex and Martin. How is that too much information? That's from Neil in Santa Monica. That reminds me Brian I need to buy another paramount in bow jeans. I don't remember what the code is. But look it up because they're my favorite jeans. I'm leaving right after this to drive up to Connecticut to be on the Dan Patrick show tomorrow, and you can watch on the Dan Patrick show tomorrow. I will be wearing my mutton badging just use code guys that right now code Ross code Ross. There you go. They are legit. They're like turn the dollar jeans that you get for a fraction of that. And even less when you use the code Ross love, my mutton, bowed jeans. Anyway. Neil. You haven't mistaken here, buddy? Okay. So the reason why the Texans did what they did is because Aswa came in. It was sixteen million or eighteen million. But that was fully guaranteed. They had to pay him that money. So they gave up a second round pick to to Cleveland. They gave the Browns a second round pick ticket out from that album Gatien of sixteen million dollars. That was their thought process. We don't have to we don't want to pay the sixteen million dollars both for cap, and especially for cash that was their logic. Whereas the twenty one million dollars in dead money for the twenty one million dollars money for the Steelers that's money. They've already paid him. So they're not getting rid of any obligation to Antonio Brown. Huge huge difference and. I am very very glad that you chimed in on that and ask that question. Because that if you had that question, then I'm guessing other people did as well. So I like that real good question. Neil bell do by the way for a teaching tutorial Thursday. Hopefully, you guys have already checked out yesterday. Loved the head coach rankings with wrote. Oh, Pat on fantasy feast if you didn't check that out definitely do. So that was amazing. 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SPECIAL: 2019 SB Nation NFL Mock Draft

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SPECIAL: 2019 SB Nation NFL Mock Draft

"What's up everybody our job showing from espionage, Asian and welcome to the two thousand nineteen espionage in bloggers mock draft it is officially NFL draft season. First round of the two thousand nine hundred NFL draft gets going on Thursday, April twenty fifth two thousand nineteen it's going to be fun. It's going to be epic. It's going to be a grand time. But perhaps no more of a grand time that what you are in store for at this particular moment, welcome once again to the two thousand nine hundred espionage in bloggers mock draft, and this is going to be really cool. This is a project that we've had going on here Espy nation that is a lot of fun one that I think you're going to enjoy it's going to be a simulation of the NFL draft. And we're going to have people from every one of our team sites make the pick for their respective team. So for example, right now on the Zona cardinals around the clock, the fine folks from revenge the birds they're gonna come in. And they're going to tell you they're going to pick. They're going to tell you why they're going to tell you why that picnic sense they're going to tell you why they feel the Zona karnal should make that pig gonna tell you why. They might have to have a really uncomfortable and awkward conversation which Rosen or maybe not maybe they take Nick Bosa. Maybe they'd take somebody else. It's going to be fun to find out when they're done. They'll tap out. They'll bring in somebody else they'll bring in the fine people from all over Espy nation to know exactly what they're talking about when it comes to their respective team. We're going to do that for all thirty two picks. And we're going to have a fantastic time while we do it. So sit back, relax. Grab a snack. If you wanna get some for me. I won't hold it against you were about to have some fine. Welcome to the two thousand nineteen espionage and bloggers mock draft. The cardinals are on the clock. This is Blake Murphy from revenge of the birds, and I'm behalf of the Zona cardinals. We select Cuyler Murray with the first overall selection. Kyle Murray is an electrifying athlete who dominated college football this year to Oklahoma with forty seven hundred passing yards thousand rushing yards and fifty total touchdowns to only seven interceptions Murray walked away from college and major league baseball with the Heisman Trophy award this year, he's deadly accurate avoids turnovers and can escape pressure and make plays with his legs. Basically he's everything that Josh Rosenfeld to be with the team last season and pairing with an air raid disciple and cliff Kingsbury gives the thirty second ranked offense in the NFL a playmaker and a new identity at the most important position on the field. Something no defensive player could provide this is Oscar operates yo from Niners nation and on behalf of the forty Niners. We select Nick Bosa defensive end from Ohio State with the second overall pick. Bosa is the most refined pass rusher in this draft class and its fortuitous that he fell right to the forty Niners at the second pick. He possesses the blend of athleticism pass rush technique and production. That's required. A top pick in the draft. Bosa had a higher pass rush win rate as a true freshman, then Brian burns Cleland Farrell and jockey poll light had this past season. He immediately slots in as a starting defensive in opposite deformed, creating a formidable defensive line that upgrades a position of need for the forty Niners defense in twenty nineteen. This is John B from gangrene nation and on behalf of the New York Jets. We select Josh Allen with the number three overall selection. This came down to Josh Allen versus Quinton Williams. And it's really just about the position Allen plays edge rushers more valuable than interior defensive linemen jets have not had a consistent edge rusher since John Abraham no of both players hit their boom scenario. You're not gonna complain about the pig. But if both guys are a little disappointing. If Allen's just a pretty good pass rusher. I think that validates the third overall pick. But if Quinn Williams just a good interior linemen, not a great interior linemen than it's not as good of a pick. So I think it's a safer pick. When you talk about the edge guy. This is Lee Damian from silver and black pride and on behalf of the Oakland Raiders, we select defensive tackle Quinton Williams with the fourth overall selection. This cure best player available selection for the raiders Williams is arguably the best player in the draft that any position the raiders have a huge needed edge rusher. But with the top to pass rushers already off the board. They have to set need aside and go for value Williams will team up with flash your second round pick PJ all in fifth round. Pick Murray's Hurst to form a nice looking young interior rotation for years to come. This is Bill arsia with bucks nation dot com. And on behalf of the Tampa Bay book. Sneers? We select Houston defensive linemen and Oliver with the fifth overall pick with the uncertainty surrounding veteran defensive tackle Joe McCoy and his future in Tampa Bay bringing in a player like Oliver will solidify the defensive line for years to come. He would also go ahead and be paired up with last year's rookie defensive tackle. It'd be the via and provide a pass rushing presence that the buccaneers have not had in quite some time. This is Valentine from big blue view, and on behalf of the New York Giants we select Devon white linebacker LSU with the sixth overall pick. Why white you look at the way the board has shaped up Quinton Williams and Josh Allen are both gone. I believe that Devon white is the best remaining defensive player. And I think you can argue that while the giants talk so much about pass rush or the media talk so much about. Pass rush. The giants could use help at every level of their defense. And as I said white is the best remaining defensive player on the board in my view. This is often crow from big cat country. And on behalf of the Jacksonville Jaguars. We select Dwayne Haskins quarterback from Ohio State with the seventh overall selection. Now, this pick is probably surprised considering the team just signed Nick foles free agency to a big deal but outside of just wanting to shake up the draft. I do think the selection has some practical reasoning though, the pick is unlikely. The Jaguars have done a lot of pre Jeff work on Haskins and the team likely doesn't want to end up picking this high anytime soon so forgot you think could turn into a franchise quarterback as their you pull the trigger. It also solidifies the quarterback room with a big upgrade behind foles in a solid plan. B foles turns out to not work out. Dave Cole will recently limited. Blake Bortles being rushed as the starter. And not sitting in learning which has would now be doing. It's more likely to be an offense of defensive lineman, but Haskins would be spicy pick. And does make some practical sense. This is Jeremy rice from prior to Detroit dot com, and on behalf of the Detroit Lions, we select Florida state edge defender, Brian burns with the eighth overall pick those a tough decision for us to make because TJ Hopkinson was still on the board. And the lines have a big need for tight end. But ultimately, I went with Byrnes here because I think the lines are going to define themselves by their defensive line their defensive front with mattress or head coach. And burns brings them an elite pass rusher that maybe they're missing now that is e. Alonso's gone. I know the Detroit flowers and free agency. And I know they have a good defensive front all across the board. But adding Brian burns takes them to that next level where I think they become one of the most feared defensive lines in the entirely and the rest of the NFC north better take notice because Ryan burns is now Detroit line. This is Matt Warren from buffalo rumblings dot com, and I'll be half of the Buffalo Bills. We select TJ Hopkinson tight end Iowa with the number nine overall selection. The bills have several holes on their roster, but none are more glaring than it starting tight end. Head coach Sean McDermott has frequently mentioned it in interviews this season that the tight end position is super important him after buffalo signs six offensive linemen and three wide receivers and free agency. They need a dynamic and complete player at tight end to help quarterback. Josh Allen develop says, Tim Lynch from mile report. And it'd be half of the Denver Broncos. We selected drew lock with the tenth overall selection with Ed Oliver, Devon, white and TJ off the board. Drew lock was the only choice that made sense. Joe flacco is someone that the Broncos will have the next few years. But having a quarterback of the future is necessary. And all reports show that the Broncos are pretty interested in lock. So the choice seemed pretty pretty evident. Hey, everyone. This is Anthony Kazan's with cincy jungled dot com. In the orange black insider Bengals podcast with the number eleven overall pick in the NFL draft the Cincinnati Bengals select Devon Bush linebacker from Michigan. He makes sense for this team in a number of different levels. Because the team that the linebacker position is a mess and needs immediate help. He can be three down linebacker in the system, and he is a plug and play starter which this team needs immediate starters in the early rounds of this draft based on what's happened in previous classes, so Devin Bush from Michigan make sense the Bengals may would have liked a couple of other players to fall to them at all being one Devon white being another. But the way that the board fell this pick make sense it fills an immediate need. It's a safe pick. And it's a guy who can both defend the run and play in space against the past. Which is what's needed at the position for the team? This is Evan text. Western from acme packing company. And on behalf of the Green Bay Packers. We've selected montes's sweat and Russia from Mississippi State with the twelfth overall selection. So what is one of the most athletic pass rushers to enter the NFL and years in his production really lives up to that athleticism with two straight double digit sack seasons. Junior senior. He ran a four point four one second forty are dash at the combine this year, which is fast for anybody. But especially for a six foot six two hundred sixty pound pass rusher. Now, even though the Packers acquired a pair of free agent eggs rushers in serious and Preston Smith this off season you can never have enough guys who can get to the quarterback. So adding sweat here gives the Packers edged group with top talent depth that can rival just about any other unit in the NFL. This is Kevin noble from the Finsider and on behalf of the Miami Dolphins. We select Joon Taylor with the thirteenth. Overall, pick Taylor gives Miami and immediate replacement for John James and provides a starting book and opposite left tackle Laremy Tunsil. The dolphins have multiple needs this off season as they look to rebuild the foundation of a once glorious franchise, and what better way to fix the struggles of the past several years than by finally solving the puzzle that has been the offense of line look for the dolphins to build from here with probably another offense of line choice as well as some defensive line help and possibly developmental quarterback later in the draft. Hi, this is Dave choke from the alcohol IQ and on behalf of the Atlanta Falcons. I selected Jona Williams tackle out of Alabama for the Atlanta Falcons with the fourteenth overall pick the reason I made the selection it's pretty simple the best defensive lineman that I liked were gone and the foul. Desperately need a right tackle over the long haul Williams technician. He's a guy who's very smart, very talented. And certainly I think concerns over his arm length and so forth overblown. So the hope here is that the falcons are getting their right tackle for the next decade. And I'm very excited to welcome to the falcons. This is Brian stabby from hogs haven and on behalf of the Washington Redskins. We select Cleland feral with the fifteenth overall selection, simply put feral as a freak of nature and a true winner as a two-time college football national champion who racked up one hundred sixty five tackles and twenty seven sacks in his final three years at Clemson Ferrell's, an edge rusher who can do it all despite not meeting the prerequisite of being a former member of the Alabama crimson tide in DC can combine forces with his former foes to utilize his massive strength dominating size and exceptional explosiveness to bring a new wrinkle to defensive front seven that's on the rise. This is Bradley Smith from cat scratch reader and on behalf of the Carolina Panthers. We select Andre Dillard, left tackle Washington state with the number sixteen overall selection after releasing that Khalil in March and with both Daryl Williams and Taylor Moton better suited for right tackle or even guard. The Panthers don't have a true left tackle on the roster and Musset dress their lack of depth on their offense of line quarterback. Cam Newton miss the final two games of the two thousand eighteen season due to a shoulder injury or wired off season surgery, and it would be Carolina's best interest to give him some protection. So the offense can properly function when he returns in two thousand nineteen this is at Valentine from big blue view in on behalf of the New York Giants. We select Rashawn Gerry defensive lineman from Michigan with the seventeenth overall pick. Why Gary because we believe that the giants do need pass rush in while Gary has not had tremendous productivity during his college career. We believe that he's traits and his upside warrant the pick at this point and give the giants and opportunity to get a player. They can move around and one who has tremendous upside in could be an outstanding defensive lineman in the NFL. This is Christopher gates from the daily Norseman and on behalf of the Minnesota Vikings. We select Oklahoma guard Cody Ford with the eighteenth pick in the two thousand nineteen NFL draft. Obviously the biggest deed for the Minnesota. Vikings going into this draft is the offense of line. They could use help just about everywhere. And Cody Ford is a player who could potentially play tackle he could potentially play guard. I think he would slot in a little better at guard right now. But the Vikings could play at either of those spots, and he would be immediate day one starter and a significant upgrade talent wise for it offensive line that desperately needs it. So that's why he is our selection. The Jimmy Morris from easy miracles dot com. And I'll be half of the Tennessee titans. We select Gary bribery into your office of lime in North Carolina State with the nineteenth overall pick Bradbury's. God that should be a starter for the titans from day one as they looked to revamp their office of line in order to establish Kindy and the run game. And to find out what they have in Marcus mariota. This is a big year for him kind of do or die. So titans used this pick to make sure that they have as good of an office of lawn in front of him as they possibly can. Hi, this is Jeff Hartmann editor of behind the steel curtain dot com. Representing the Pittsburgh Steelers and with the twentieth. Overall, pick in the two thousand nineteen NFL draft. The Steelers select Byron Murphy cornerback from Washington University. Steelers long looked to solidify their secondary to match a pass rush that has been dominant the past you seasons, and by selecting Murphy, they're able to get the best overall cornerback in our opinion in this upcoming draft in the first round. It would be a great bridge for when Joe Hayden is ready to hang it up. This pick is going to have value. Not just in two dozen nineteen Ambien, and that's why. The Steelers have selected Byron Murphy with the twentieth. Pick. Beyond say, Arianna Guerande and Drake are talked about ad nauseam as celebrities. But there's one thing that's rarely discussed their music on switched on pop. We go deep into the sounds of pop music to explain what it means how it's made. And why it's so effective. We talked with some of today's greatest artists producers journalists to decode the musical logic behind our modern soundtrack and understand its role in our culture. Switched on pop won't reveal for you. How a secretive Swedish producer is behind many of the top ten hits of the past twenty years. We'll uncover the ways that songwriters embed their political activism into today's most popular tracks. We'll show you the surprising musical similarities between Cardi B, and Tim swift and will even dive into the classical pass to hear how the Jonas brothers MIR Mozart's youthful party days, I'm songwriter. Charlie. Harding, and I'm using colleges. Nate sloan. Join us on a journey through the world popular music by subscribing to switched on. Up on podcasts Spotify or your favorite podcast app to get new episodes every Tuesday. This is Brandon Scholtz from field goals and on behalf of the Seattle Seahawks. We select Jerry Tillery defensive lineman from Notre Dame with the twenty first overall pick. Now fans of other teams are going to wanna know that the Seahawks will be trading out of this pick. The ravens are picking right behind us. If another team wants to get up ahead of the ravens to take receiver. They could do it now. And that could also allow Seattle the move back a couple of spots and still get Tillery because they wanna stack their defensive line to add to the pass rush. If a fan, let's go and find extremely dominant performance by defensive lineman, Google, Jerry Tillery versus Stanford. He had four sacks in their thirty eight to seventeen win over Stanford last year. But I just wanna be clear. The Seahawks are definitely trading down. This is Kyle barber managing editor for Baltimore beat down on behalf of the Baltimore Ravens. We select wide receiver decay matchup with the twenty second overall selection. The perfect pick for the ravens as it addresses there. Great. Sneed with one of the best players available Metcalf is an incredible athlete with every physical tree could ask for. He's six foot three two hundred twenty eight pounds runs a four point three three forty yard. Dash the teammates surround Lamar Jackson with all the weapons to succeed. Metcalfe's presence on the field will instantly open up the offense. This isn't that west from bell red blog and on behalf of the Houston. Texans. We greedy LIAM's to the twenty third overall selection. The reason for this pick is pretty simple that three tackles extract, plastic been selected and that's Andre Dillard genitalium sin Joon Taylor. None of the other tackles available really worth at first round pick Ingraham's to the best cornerback available. He can highpoint the ball. Well, implant both pressman and cover three and cover four so coverages. He has the athlete. Profile coverage number one corner bag it has the ability to recover, even if he does get beat when that rarely happens. The Texans quarterback group is really bad. It's Bradley Roby. Jonathan Joseph Bryan body Calhoun and Aaron Kovin without the pass rush. JJ watt JV unclogging getting there the past is really bad too. And so with the Texas defense that doesn't have any cornerback telling pass this year and also having to place the best quarterbacks around the season drafting Williams to be the first step in improving pass defense, and he's improved dramatically. This is Lee Damian from silver and black pride and on behalf of the Oakland Raiders we select tied in no offense with the twenty fourth overall selection. It's no secret. Jon Gruden loves his tight ends losing receiving leader. Jared cook and free agency opened up a big need at tight end for the raiders who didn't wanna pay market price for thirty two year old first time pro bowler. They get Fant who has a similar skill set and athletic abilities as an apt replacement. This Brennan Leon from bleeding nation and on behalf of the Philadelphia Eagles. We select Clemson defensive tackle Christian Wilkins with the number twenty five overall pick eagles love to build through the trenches to help them win the Super Bowl in two thousand eighteen and drafting Wilkins aligns with their philosophy -fensive tackle still a need for the eagles despite signing Jackson because Jim Schwartz loves to heavily rotate. His defensive lineman will give the eagles another interior pass rusher alongside Jackson Fletcher Cox and makes eagles defence even better. A number twenty five overall the would be very fortunate to get Christian woman's this is Brett mock from stampede blue. And on behalf of the Indianapolis Colts. We select Jeffrey Simmons defensive tackle from Mississippi State with twenty six overall selection Semons exit senior season as one of the top fifteen prospects in the class, but suffered unfortunate ACL tear during workouts in February. This woman that Semons need to redshirt his rookie year and will. Him down draft boards. Chris Bowden just the GM to take this pick. 'cause he is building for the future and veteran interior defensive linemen already in place for the coming season. This Levi Damian from silver and black pride and on behalf of the Oakland. Raiders we select safety sear Adderley with the twenty seventh overall selection with their third pick in the first round they fill another big need on defense at lease the top safety in this draft. So there is more than happy to get him at twenty seven overall he cemented himself the draft's top safety in the senior bowl, which was coached by the raiders staff and even had an interception in the game. He solidifies the raiders secondary, especially safety position, which features former top pick Karl Joseph and recent free-agent aquisition lamarcus Joyner this Garissa St. from both of the blue on behalf of the charters. We don't reisner the tackle at Kansas state with the twentieth. Overall, pick the chargers get the last plug and. Play off. It's tackle left on the board. He will play right? Tackle for the chargers right away. Shirring up their biggest weakness against the stout. AFC west pass rushers to help protect Philip rivers. Reisner also has the versatility to play in tier offense of lineman guard was a problem for the chargers as well last year. So if don't can't hang on an island on the right side. He can also play guard and kick inside grabbing the last starter among the offense of line in reisner. There's a lot of good death on the defensive line of safety to address in day to for the chargers. This is Ken Swanson with Arrowhead pride making the selection for the Kansas City Chiefs, we elected to go with Akeem Butler, the wide receiver from Iowa State. The board didn't really fall particularly well for the chiefs in this scenario in that something that's been kind of consistent kind of throughout the mock draft process that you seen, you know, lately in I think this is kind of proof that she should. Probably be aggressive about trying to move up to get value in the early twenties potentially. If on the defensive side of the football if a guy like cloud in feral, potentially were to fall. So instead, we went with Butler, high upside excellent athletic profile big guy with some inside outside versatility at the wide receiver position. This is Evan techs. Western from acme packing company. And I'd be half the Green Bay Packers. We select Chris Lindstrom offense lineman. Boston College with the thirtieth overall selection. The Packers have short-term question marks at guard and long-term questions at right tackle with Brian the Llagas contract up after this season Lindstrom earned all conference honors at both positions. And though he could probably start on day one at guard. He certainly should be in the mix to be Brian blog as air after the season. Furthermore, he's got exceptionally quick feet in great athleticism, which would be a great fit for new head coach Mettler floor in the zone blocking run scheme. He plans to bring Green Bay as an athlete Lindstrom fits with the Packers look for in their lineman to t and he should be able to help solidify line. That's just giving up too many sacks of Aaron Rodgers in recent years as Joe Makati from Tertia times and behalf of the loss Angeles. Rams. We select Eric McCoy with the thirty first overall pick Eric McCoy center, Texas, AM, the Rams have a transition that they're undergoing on their offense of line of Roger Chaffee starting. Left guard and John Sullivan both left in free agency this year. Andrew Whitworth is heading into his final year before retiring in Austin Blythe was a squat starter that came in last year that took over for Jemaah Brown when he had to gain suspension to begin the year ended up keeping that job throughout the season. So with that kind of instability in not knowing what the Transition's gonna look like, despite the fact, they've got Joseph note, whom and Brian Allen on the roster who they took it the two thousand eighteen NFL draft. Those guys didn't play it'll this season. I think McCoy would be an obvious fit for what they've got going on the inside and give them an extra body to sort through through training camp and figure out which of those four between Blythe note, boom Allen. And now McCoy would go into rotational depth on the depth chart, but at least in a stronger position than there are now and as they head towards the third round where they got a couple extra picks. They can look at some of those other roster gaps especially on the defensive side. This is Pat lane from the patriot nation podcast. On pats pulpit and on behalf of the New England Patriots. We are selecting AJ Brown with these thirty second overall pick spags. What do you think about that? You know, how do you feel about AJ Bronco in the patriots thirty two? I mean, you know, Ben just said it might not be a rack. I you know receiver after the catch, but he's reliable. He's gonna get open. He's got good hands. And you know when I'm too much tape on him. When you watch him. I think that's you know, that's the guy that sits the patriots mold, you know, that receiver that shifty. That's got good hands can play on different situations. You know, I mean, hey, if he's there thirty two, and they feel that that's the new they need to address that early in the draft and go for it because you know, we'll get into a little bit with the mayor's Thomas, but they need to get young in that position. You know? Julia is getting older he has taken plenty. It's in garland knows how long LB around. So you know, they can kind of find one of those guys early in the draft. I'm all right. And like you said a lot of people wanna draft experts like that are high on nj Browns. So no complaints from me. I agree. I agree. And look he's not the flashiest guy. Maybe he's not, you know, the the the number one overall wide receiver on the board. But he's a guy who's consistent who's going to do. His job was a good blocker willing blocker. You know, kind of do all those things the patriots like out of a receiver. And so I think it's a great pick for the patriots here at thirty two. Rounding out the end of the first round. Well, that was a whole heck of a lot of fun. If you ask me, and by the way, me I am are Joe from SPF nation, and that was the espionage in bloggers mock draft thirty two picks in the books that is obviously exactly what's going to happen. You can write it in stone people when the actual NFL draft gets going on April twenty fifth there were some really interesting selections in this mock draft, it was really interesting to hear the perspective of people who know their team best from across our team sites at espionage. And to hear why they think these picks make sense to hear why they've been their team will make those choices to hear why they think these are the best possible routes that their team can go when it comes to the all important selection. It is a first round pick in the NFL draft. I know I learned a lot. I hope you learned a lot. I had a fantastic time. And I'm sure that you did as well. I said in the beginning that I hope you brought a snack. I devoured mine. And I'm sure that you did as well. Once again, the actual two thousand nine hundred. NFL draft begins on Thursday, April twenty fifth two thousand nine hundred and how many picks you think we got right? Who do you think made the best case who do you agree with the most make sure you join your team side and give us your feedback? Let us know what was wrong. What was right? What was silly? What was stupid? 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"What's up everybody our job showing from espionage, Asian and welcome to the two thousand nineteen espionage in bloggers mock draft it is officially NFL draft season. First round of the two thousand nine hundred NFL draft gets going on Thursday, April twenty fifth two thousand nineteen it's going to be fun. It's going to be epic. It's going to be a grand time. But perhaps no more of a grand time that what you are in store for at this particular moment, welcome once again to the two thousand nine hundred espionage in bloggers mock draft, and this is going to be really cool. This is a project that we've had going on here Espy nation that is a lot of fun one that I think you're going to enjoy it's going to be a simulation of the NFL draft. And we're going to have people from every one of our team sites make the pick for their respective team. So for example, right now on the Zona cardinals around the clock, the fine folks from revenge the birds they're gonna come in. And they're going to tell you they're going to pick. They're going to tell you why they're going to tell you why that picnic sense they're going to tell you why they feel the Zona karnal should make that pig gonna tell you why. They might have to have a really uncomfortable and awkward conversation which Rosen or maybe not maybe they take Nick Bosa. Maybe they'd take somebody else. It's going to be fun to find out when they're done. They'll tap out. They'll bring in somebody else they'll bring in the fine people from all over Espy nation to know exactly what they're talking about when it comes to their respective team. We're going to do that for all thirty two picks. And we're going to have a fantastic time while we do it. So sit back, relax. Grab a snack. If you wanna get some for me. I won't hold it against you were about to have some fine. Welcome to the two thousand nineteen espionage and bloggers mock draft. The cardinals are on the clock. This is Blake Murphy from revenge of the birds, and I'm behalf of the Zona cardinals. We select Cuyler Murray with the first overall selection. Kyle Murray is an electrifying athlete who dominated college football this year to Oklahoma with forty seven hundred passing yards thousand rushing yards and fifty total touchdowns to only seven interceptions Murray walked away from college and major league baseball with the Heisman Trophy award this year, he's deadly accurate avoids turnovers and can escape pressure and make plays with his legs. Basically he's everything that Josh Rosenfeld to be with the team last season and pairing with an air raid disciple and cliff Kingsbury gives the thirty second ranked offense in the NFL a playmaker and a new identity at the most important position on the field. Something no defensive player could provide this is Oscar operates yo from Niners nation and on behalf of the forty Niners. We select Nick Bosa defensive end from Ohio State with the second overall pick. Bosa is the most refined pass rusher in this draft class and its fortuitous that he fell right to the forty Niners at the second pick. He possesses the blend of athleticism pass rush technique and production. That's required. A top pick in the draft. Bosa had a higher pass rush win rate as a true freshman, then Brian burns Cleland Farrell and jockey poll light had this past season. He immediately slots in as a starting defensive in opposite deformed, creating a formidable defensive line that upgrades a position of need for the forty Niners defense in twenty nineteen. This is John B from gangrene nation and on behalf of the New York Jets. We select Josh Allen with the number three overall selection. This came down to Josh Allen versus Quinton Williams. And it's really just about the position Allen plays edge rushers more valuable than interior defensive linemen jets have not had a consistent edge rusher since John Abraham no of both players hit their boom scenario. You're not gonna complain about the pig. But if both guys are a little disappointing. If Allen's just a pretty good pass rusher. I think that validates the third overall pick. But if Quinn Williams just a good interior linemen, not a great interior linemen than it's not as good of a pick. So I think it's a safer pick. When you talk about the edge guy. This is Lee Damian from silver and black pride and on behalf of the Oakland Raiders, we select defensive tackle Quinton Williams with the fourth overall selection. This cure best player available selection for the raiders Williams is arguably the best player in the draft that any position the raiders have a huge needed edge rusher. But with the top to pass rushers already off the board. They have to set need aside and go for value Williams will team up with flash your second round pick PJ all in fifth round. Pick Murray's Hurst to form a nice looking young interior rotation for years to come. This is Bill arsia with bucks nation dot com. And on behalf of the Tampa Bay book. Sneers? We select Houston defensive linemen and Oliver with the fifth overall pick with the uncertainty surrounding veteran defensive tackle Joe McCoy and his future in Tampa Bay bringing in a player like Oliver will solidify the defensive line for years to come. He would also go ahead and be paired up with last year's rookie defensive tackle. It'd be the via and provide a pass rushing presence that the buccaneers have not had in quite some time. This is Valentine from big blue view, and on behalf of the New York Giants we select Devon white linebacker LSU with the sixth overall pick. Why white you look at the way the board has shaped up Quinton Williams and Josh Allen are both gone. I believe that Devon white is the best remaining defensive player. And I think you can argue that while the giants talk so much about pass rush or the media talk so much about. Pass rush. The giants could use help at every level of their defense. And as I said white is the best remaining defensive player on the board in my view. This is often crow from big cat country. And on behalf of the Jacksonville Jaguars. We select Dwayne Haskins quarterback from Ohio State with the seventh overall selection. Now, this pick is probably surprised considering the team just signed Nick foles free agency to a big deal but outside of just wanting to shake up the draft. I do think the selection has some practical reasoning though, the pick is unlikely. The Jaguars have done a lot of pre Jeff work on Haskins and the team likely doesn't want to end up picking this high anytime soon so forgot you think could turn into a franchise quarterback as their you pull the trigger. It also solidifies the quarterback room with a big upgrade behind foles in a solid plan. B foles turns out to not work out. Dave Cole will recently limited. Blake Bortles being rushed as the starter. And not sitting in learning which has would now be doing. It's more likely to be an offense of defensive lineman, but Haskins would be spicy pick. And does make some practical sense. This is Jeremy rice from prior to Detroit dot com, and on behalf of the Detroit Lions, we select Florida state edge defender, Brian burns with the eighth overall pick those a tough decision for us to make because TJ Hopkinson was still on the board. And the lines have a big need for tight end. But ultimately, I went with Byrnes here because I think the lines are going to define themselves by their defensive line their defensive front with mattress or head coach. And burns brings them an elite pass rusher that maybe they're missing now that is e. Alonso's gone. I know the Detroit flowers and free agency. And I know they have a good defensive front all across the board. But adding Brian burns takes them to that next level where I think they become one of the most feared defensive lines in the entirely and the rest of the NFC north better take notice because Ryan burns is now Detroit line. This is Matt Warren from buffalo rumblings dot com, and I'll be half of the Buffalo Bills. We select TJ Hopkinson tight end Iowa with the number nine overall selection. The bills have several holes on their roster, but none are more glaring than it starting tight end. Head coach Sean McDermott has frequently mentioned it in interviews this season that the tight end position is super important him after buffalo signs six offensive linemen and three wide receivers and free agency. They need a dynamic and complete player at tight end to help quarterback. Josh Allen develop says, Tim Lynch from mile report. And it'd be half of the Denver Broncos. We selected drew lock with the tenth overall selection with Ed Oliver, Devon, white and TJ off the board. Drew lock was the only choice that made sense. Joe flacco is someone that the Broncos will have the next few years. But having a quarterback of the future is necessary. And all reports show that the Broncos are pretty interested in lock. So the choice seemed pretty pretty evident. Hey, everyone. This is Anthony Kazan's with cincy jungled dot com. In the orange black insider Bengals podcast with the number eleven overall pick in the NFL draft the Cincinnati Bengals select Devon Bush linebacker from Michigan. He makes sense for this team in a number of different levels. Because the team that the linebacker position is a mess and needs immediate help. He can be three down linebacker in the system, and he is a plug and play starter which this team needs immediate starters in the early rounds of this draft based on what's happened in previous classes, so Devin Bush from Michigan make sense the Bengals may would have liked a couple of other players to fall to them at all being one Devon white being another. But the way that the board fell this pick make sense it fills an immediate need. It's a safe pick. And it's a guy who can both defend the run and play in space against the past. Which is what's needed at the position for the team? This is Evan text. Western from acme packing company. And on behalf of the Green Bay Packers. We've selected montes's sweat and Russia from Mississippi State with the twelfth overall selection. So what is one of the most athletic pass rushers to enter the NFL and years in his production really lives up to that athleticism with two straight double digit sack seasons. Junior senior. He ran a four point four one second forty are dash at the combine this year, which is fast for anybody. But especially for a six foot six two hundred sixty pound pass rusher. Now, even though the Packers acquired a pair of free agent eggs rushers in serious and Preston Smith this off season you can never have enough guys who can get to the quarterback. So adding sweat here gives the Packers edged group with top talent depth that can rival just about any other unit in the NFL. This is Kevin noble from the Finsider and on behalf of the Miami Dolphins. We select Joon Taylor with the thirteenth. Overall, pick Taylor gives Miami and immediate replacement for John James and provides a starting book and opposite left tackle Laremy Tunsil. The dolphins have multiple needs this off season as they look to rebuild the foundation of a once glorious franchise, and what better way to fix the struggles of the past several years than by finally solving the puzzle that has been the offense of line look for the dolphins to build from here with probably another offense of line choice as well as some defensive line help and possibly developmental quarterback later in the draft. Hi, this is Dave choke from the alcohol IQ and on behalf of the Atlanta Falcons. I selected Jona Williams tackle out of Alabama for the Atlanta Falcons with the fourteenth overall pick the reason I made the selection it's pretty simple the best defensive lineman that I liked were gone and the foul. Desperately need a right tackle over the long haul Williams technician. He's a guy who's very smart, very talented. And certainly I think concerns over his arm length and so forth overblown. So the hope here is that the falcons are getting their right tackle for the next decade. And I'm very excited to welcome to the falcons. This is Brian stabby from hogs haven and on behalf of the Washington Redskins. We select Cleland feral with the fifteenth overall selection, simply put feral as a freak of nature and a true winner as a two-time college football national champion who racked up one hundred sixty five tackles and twenty seven sacks in his final three years at Clemson Ferrell's, an edge rusher who can do it all despite not meeting the prerequisite of being a former member of the Alabama crimson tide in DC can combine forces with his former foes to utilize his massive strength dominating size and exceptional explosiveness to bring a new wrinkle to defensive front seven that's on the rise. This is Bradley Smith from cat scratch reader and on behalf of the Carolina Panthers. We select Andre Dillard, left tackle Washington state with the number sixteen overall selection after releasing that Khalil in March and with both Daryl Williams and Taylor Moton better suited for right tackle or even guard. The Panthers don't have a true left tackle on the roster and Musset dress their lack of depth on their offense of line quarterback. Cam Newton miss the final two games of the two thousand eighteen season due to a shoulder injury or wired off season surgery, and it would be Carolina's best interest to give him some protection. So the offense can properly function when he returns in two thousand nineteen this is at Valentine from big blue view in on behalf of the New York Giants. We select Rashawn Gerry defensive lineman from Michigan with the seventeenth overall pick. Why Gary because we believe that the giants do need pass rush in while Gary has not had tremendous productivity during his college career. We believe that he's traits and his upside warrant the pick at this point and give the giants and opportunity to get a player. They can move around and one who has tremendous upside in could be an outstanding defensive lineman in the NFL. This is Christopher gates from the daily Norseman and on behalf of the Minnesota Vikings. We select Oklahoma guard Cody Ford with the eighteenth pick in the two thousand nineteen NFL draft. Obviously the biggest deed for the Minnesota. Vikings going into this draft is the offense of line. They could use help just about everywhere. And Cody Ford is a player who could potentially play tackle he could potentially play guard. I think he would slot in a little better at guard right now. But the Vikings could play at either of those spots, and he would be immediate day one starter and a significant upgrade talent wise for it offensive line that desperately needs it. So that's why he is our selection. The Jimmy Morris from easy miracles dot com. And I'll be half of the Tennessee titans. We select Gary bribery into your office of lime in North Carolina State with the nineteenth overall pick Bradbury's. God that should be a starter for the titans from day one as they looked to revamp their office of line in order to establish Kindy and the run game. And to find out what they have in Marcus mariota. This is a big year for him kind of do or die. So titans used this pick to make sure that they have as good of an office of lawn in front of him as they possibly can. Hi, this is Jeff Hartmann editor of behind the steel curtain dot com. Representing the Pittsburgh Steelers and with the twentieth. Overall, pick in the two thousand nineteen NFL draft. The Steelers select Byron Murphy cornerback from Washington University. Steelers long looked to solidify their secondary to match a pass rush that has been dominant the past you seasons, and by selecting Murphy, they're able to get the best overall cornerback in our opinion in this upcoming draft in the first round. It would be a great bridge for when Joe Hayden is ready to hang it up. This pick is going to have value. Not just in two dozen nineteen Ambien, and that's why. The Steelers have selected Byron Murphy with the twentieth. Pick. Beyond say, Arianna Guerande and Drake are talked about ad nauseam as celebrities. But there's one thing that's rarely discussed their music on switched on pop. We go deep into the sounds of pop music to explain what it means how it's made. And why it's so effective. We talked with some of today's greatest artists producers journalists to decode the musical logic behind our modern soundtrack and understand its role in our culture. Switched on pop won't reveal for you. How a secretive Swedish producer is behind many of the top ten hits of the past twenty years. We'll uncover the ways that songwriters embed their political activism into today's most popular tracks. We'll show you the surprising musical similarities between Cardi B, and Tim swift and will even dive into the classical pass to hear how the Jonas brothers MIR Mozart's youthful party days, I'm songwriter. Charlie. Harding, and I'm using colleges. Nate sloan. Join us on a journey through the world popular music by subscribing to switched on. Up on podcasts Spotify or your favorite podcast app to get new episodes every Tuesday. This is Brandon Scholtz from field goals and on behalf of the Seattle Seahawks. We select Jerry Tillery defensive lineman from Notre Dame with the twenty first overall pick. Now fans of other teams are going to wanna know that the Seahawks will be trading out of this pick. The ravens are picking right behind us. If another team wants to get up ahead of the ravens to take receiver. They could do it now. And that could also allow Seattle the move back a couple of spots and still get Tillery because they wanna stack their defensive line to add to the pass rush. If a fan, let's go and find extremely dominant performance by defensive lineman, Google, Jerry Tillery versus Stanford. He had four sacks in their thirty eight to seventeen win over Stanford last year. But I just wanna be clear. The Seahawks are definitely trading down. This is Kyle barber managing editor for Baltimore beat down on behalf of the Baltimore Ravens. We select wide receiver decay matchup with the twenty second overall selection. The perfect pick for the ravens as it addresses there. Great. Sneed with one of the best players available Metcalf is an incredible athlete with every physical tree could ask for. He's six foot three two hundred twenty eight pounds runs a four point three three forty yard. Dash the teammates surround Lamar Jackson with all the weapons to succeed. Metcalfe's presence on the field will instantly open up the offense. This isn't that west from bell red blog and on behalf of the Houston. Texans. We greedy LIAM's to the twenty third overall selection. The reason for this pick is pretty simple that three tackles extract, plastic been selected and that's Andre Dillard genitalium sin Joon Taylor. None of the other tackles available really worth at first round pick Ingraham's to the best cornerback available. He can highpoint the ball. Well, implant both pressman and cover three and cover four so coverages. He has the athlete. Profile coverage number one corner bag it has the ability to recover, even if he does get beat when that rarely happens. The Texans quarterback group is really bad. It's Bradley Roby. Jonathan Joseph Bryan body Calhoun and Aaron Kovin without the pass rush. JJ watt JV unclogging getting there the past is really bad too. And so with the Texas defense that doesn't have any cornerback telling pass this year and also having to place the best quarterbacks around the season drafting Williams to be the first step in improving pass defense, and he's improved dramatically. This is Lee Damian from silver and black pride and on behalf of the Oakland Raiders we select tied in no offense with the twenty fourth overall selection. It's no secret. Jon Gruden loves his tight ends losing receiving leader. Jared cook and free agency opened up a big need at tight end for the raiders who didn't wanna pay market price for thirty two year old first time pro bowler. They get Fant who has a similar skill set and athletic abilities as an apt replacement. This Brennan Leon from bleeding nation and on behalf of the Philadelphia Eagles. We select Clemson defensive tackle Christian Wilkins with the number twenty five overall pick eagles love to build through the trenches to help them win the Super Bowl in two thousand eighteen and drafting Wilkins aligns with their philosophy -fensive tackle still a need for the eagles despite signing Jackson because Jim Schwartz loves to heavily rotate. His defensive lineman will give the eagles another interior pass rusher alongside Jackson Fletcher Cox and makes eagles defence even better. A number twenty five overall the would be very fortunate to get Christian woman's this is Brett mock from stampede blue. And on behalf of the Indianapolis Colts. We select Jeffrey Simmons defensive tackle from Mississippi State with twenty six overall selection Semons exit senior season as one of the top fifteen prospects in the class, but suffered unfortunate ACL tear during workouts in February. This woman that Semons need to redshirt his rookie year and will. Him down draft boards. Chris Bowden just the GM to take this pick. 'cause he is building for the future and veteran interior defensive linemen already in place for the coming season. This Levi Damian from silver and black pride and on behalf of the Oakland. Raiders we select safety sear Adderley with the twenty seventh overall selection with their third pick in the first round they fill another big need on defense at lease the top safety in this draft. So there is more than happy to get him at twenty seven overall he cemented himself the draft's top safety in the senior bowl, which was coached by the raiders staff and even had an interception in the game. He solidifies the raiders secondary, especially safety position, which features former top pick Karl Joseph and recent free-agent aquisition lamarcus Joyner this Garissa St. from both of the blue on behalf of the charters. We don't reisner the tackle at Kansas state with the twentieth. Overall, pick the chargers get the last plug and. Play off. It's tackle left on the board. He will play right? Tackle for the chargers right away. Shirring up their biggest weakness against the stout. AFC west pass rushers to help protect Philip rivers. Reisner also has the versatility to play in tier offense of lineman guard was a problem for the chargers as well last year. So if don't can't hang on an island on the right side. He can also play guard and kick inside grabbing the last starter among the offense of line in reisner. There's a lot of good death on the defensive line of safety to address in day to for the chargers. This is Ken Swanson with Arrowhead pride making the selection for the Kansas City Chiefs, we elected to go with Akeem Butler, the wide receiver from Iowa State. The board didn't really fall particularly well for the chiefs in this scenario in that something that's been kind of consistent kind of throughout the mock draft process that you seen, you know, lately in I think this is kind of proof that she should. Probably be aggressive about trying to move up to get value in the early twenties potentially. If on the defensive side of the football if a guy like cloud in feral, potentially were to fall. So instead, we went with Butler, high upside excellent athletic profile big guy with some inside outside versatility at the wide receiver position. This is Evan techs. Western from acme packing company. And I'd be half the Green Bay Packers. We select Chris Lindstrom offense lineman. Boston College with the thirtieth overall selection. The Packers have short-term question marks at guard and long-term questions at right tackle with Brian the Llagas contract up after this season Lindstrom earned all conference honors at both positions. And though he could probably start on day one at guard. He certainly should be in the mix to be Brian blog as air after the season. Furthermore, he's got exceptionally quick feet in great athleticism, which would be a great fit for new head coach Mettler floor in the zone blocking run scheme. He plans to bring Green Bay as an athlete Lindstrom fits with the Packers look for in their lineman to t and he should be able to help solidify line. That's just giving up too many sacks of Aaron Rodgers in recent years as Joe Makati from Tertia times and behalf of the loss Angeles. Rams. We select Eric McCoy with the thirty first overall pick Eric McCoy center, Texas, AM, the Rams have a transition that they're undergoing on their offense of line of Roger Chaffee starting. Left guard and John Sullivan both left in free agency this year. Andrew Whitworth is heading into his final year before retiring in Austin Blythe was a squat starter that came in last year that took over for Jemaah Brown when he had to gain suspension to begin the year ended up keeping that job throughout the season. So with that kind of instability in not knowing what the Transition's gonna look like, despite the fact, they've got Joseph note, whom and Brian Allen on the roster who they took it the two thousand eighteen NFL draft. Those guys didn't play it'll this season. I think McCoy would be an obvious fit for what they've got going on the inside and give them an extra body to sort through through training camp and figure out which of those four between Blythe note, boom Allen. And now McCoy would go into rotational depth on the depth chart, but at least in a stronger position than there are now and as they head towards the third round where they got a couple extra picks. They can look at some of those other roster gaps especially on the defensive side. This is Pat lane from the patriot nation podcast. On pats pulpit and on behalf of the New England Patriots. We are selecting AJ Brown with these thirty second overall pick spags. What do you think about that? You know, how do you feel about AJ Bronco in the patriots thirty two? I mean, you know, Ben just said it might not be a rack. I you know receiver after the catch, but he's reliable. He's gonna get open. He's got good hands. And you know when I'm too much tape on him. When you watch him. I think that's you know, that's the guy that sits the patriots mold, you know, that receiver that shifty. That's got good hands can play on different situations. You know, I mean, hey, if he's there thirty two, and they feel that that's the new they need to address that early in the draft and go for it because you know, we'll get into a little bit with the mayor's Thomas, but they need to get young in that position. You know? Julia is getting older he has taken plenty. It's in garland knows how long LB around. So you know, they can kind of find one of those guys early in the draft. I'm all right. And like you said a lot of people wanna draft experts like that are high on nj Browns. So no complaints from me. I agree. I agree. And look he's not the flashiest guy. Maybe he's not, you know, the the the number one overall wide receiver on the board. But he's a guy who's consistent who's going to do. His job was a good blocker willing blocker. You know, kind of do all those things the patriots like out of a receiver. And so I think it's a great pick for the patriots here at thirty two. Rounding out the end of the first round. Well, that was a whole heck of a lot of fun. If you ask me, and by the way, me I am are Joe from SPF nation, and that was the espionage in bloggers mock draft thirty two picks in the books that is obviously exactly what's going to happen. You can write it in stone people when the actual NFL draft gets going on April twenty fifth there were some really interesting selections in this mock draft, it was really interesting to hear the perspective of people who know their team best from across our team sites at espionage. And to hear why they think these picks make sense to hear why they've been their team will make those choices to hear why they think these are the best possible routes that their team can go when it comes to the all important selection. It is a first round pick in the NFL draft. I know I learned a lot. I hope you learned a lot. I had a fantastic time. And I'm sure that you did as well. I said in the beginning that I hope you brought a snack. I devoured mine. And I'm sure that you did as well. Once again, the actual two thousand nine hundred. NFL draft begins on Thursday, April twenty fifth two thousand nine hundred and how many picks you think we got right? Who do you think made the best case who do you agree with the most make sure you join your team side and give us your feedback? Let us know what was wrong. What was right? What was silly? What was stupid? 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"What's up everybody our job showing from espionage, Asian and welcome to the two thousand nineteen espionage in bloggers mock draft it is officially NFL draft season. First round of the two thousand nine hundred NFL draft gets going on Thursday, April twenty fifth two thousand nineteen it's going to be fun. It's going to be epic. It's going to be a grand time. But perhaps no more of a grand time that what you are in store for at this particular moment, welcome once again to the two thousand nine hundred espionage in bloggers mock draft, and this is going to be really cool. This is a project that we've had going on here Espy nation that is a lot of fun one that I think you're going to enjoy it's going to be a simulation of the NFL draft. And we're going to have people from every one of our team sites make the pick for their respective team. So for example, right now on the Zona cardinals around the clock, the fine folks from revenge the birds they're gonna come in. And they're going to tell you they're going to pick. They're going to tell you why they're going to tell you why that picnic sense they're going to tell you why they feel the Zona karnal should make that pig gonna tell you why. They might have to have a really uncomfortable and awkward conversation which Rosen or maybe not maybe they take Nick Bosa. Maybe they'd take somebody else. It's going to be fun to find out when they're done. They'll tap out. They'll bring in somebody else they'll bring in the fine people from all over Espy nation to know exactly what they're talking about when it comes to their respective team. We're going to do that for all thirty two picks. And we're going to have a fantastic time while we do it. So sit back, relax. Grab a snack. If you wanna get some for me. I won't hold it against you were about to have some fine. Welcome to the two thousand nineteen espionage and bloggers mock draft. The cardinals are on the clock. This is Blake Murphy from revenge of the birds, and I'm behalf of the Zona cardinals. We select Cuyler Murray with the first overall selection. Kyle Murray is an electrifying athlete who dominated college football this year to Oklahoma with forty seven hundred passing yards thousand rushing yards and fifty total touchdowns to only seven interceptions Murray walked away from college and major league baseball with the Heisman Trophy award this year, he's deadly accurate avoids turnovers and can escape pressure and make plays with his legs. Basically he's everything that Josh Rosenfeld to be with the team last season and pairing with an air raid disciple and cliff Kingsbury gives the thirty second ranked offense in the NFL a playmaker and a new identity at the most important position on the field. Something no defensive player could provide this is Oscar operates yo from Niners nation and on behalf of the forty Niners. We select Nick Bosa defensive end from Ohio State with the second overall pick. Bosa is the most refined pass rusher in this draft class and its fortuitous that he fell right to the forty Niners at the second pick. He possesses the blend of athleticism pass rush technique and production. That's required. A top pick in the draft. Bosa had a higher pass rush win rate as a true freshman, then Brian burns Cleland Farrell and jockey poll light had this past season. He immediately slots in as a starting defensive in opposite deformed, creating a formidable defensive line that upgrades a position of need for the forty Niners defense in twenty nineteen. This is John B from gangrene nation and on behalf of the New York Jets. We select Josh Allen with the number three overall selection. This came down to Josh Allen versus Quinton Williams. And it's really just about the position Allen plays edge rushers more valuable than interior defensive linemen jets have not had a consistent edge rusher since John Abraham no of both players hit their boom scenario. You're not gonna complain about the pig. But if both guys are a little disappointing. If Allen's just a pretty good pass rusher. I think that validates the third overall pick. But if Quinn Williams just a good interior linemen, not a great interior linemen than it's not as good of a pick. So I think it's a safer pick. When you talk about the edge guy. This is Lee Damian from silver and black pride and on behalf of the Oakland Raiders, we select defensive tackle Quinton Williams with the fourth overall selection. This cure best player available selection for the raiders Williams is arguably the best player in the draft that any position the raiders have a huge needed edge rusher. But with the top to pass rushers already off the board. They have to set need aside and go for value Williams will team up with flash your second round pick PJ all in fifth round. Pick Murray's Hurst to form a nice looking young interior rotation for years to come. This is Bill arsia with bucks nation dot com. And on behalf of the Tampa Bay book. Sneers? We select Houston defensive linemen and Oliver with the fifth overall pick with the uncertainty surrounding veteran defensive tackle Joe McCoy and his future in Tampa Bay bringing in a player like Oliver will solidify the defensive line for years to come. He would also go ahead and be paired up with last year's rookie defensive tackle. It'd be the via and provide a pass rushing presence that the buccaneers have not had in quite some time. This is Valentine from big blue view, and on behalf of the New York Giants we select Devon white linebacker LSU with the sixth overall pick. Why white you look at the way the board has shaped up Quinton Williams and Josh Allen are both gone. I believe that Devon white is the best remaining defensive player. And I think you can argue that while the giants talk so much about pass rush or the media talk so much about. Pass rush. The giants could use help at every level of their defense. And as I said white is the best remaining defensive player on the board in my view. This is often crow from big cat country. And on behalf of the Jacksonville Jaguars. We select Dwayne Haskins quarterback from Ohio State with the seventh overall selection. Now, this pick is probably surprised considering the team just signed Nick foles free agency to a big deal but outside of just wanting to shake up the draft. I do think the selection has some practical reasoning though, the pick is unlikely. The Jaguars have done a lot of pre Jeff work on Haskins and the team likely doesn't want to end up picking this high anytime soon so forgot you think could turn into a franchise quarterback as their you pull the trigger. It also solidifies the quarterback room with a big upgrade behind foles in a solid plan. B foles turns out to not work out. Dave Cole will recently limited. Blake Bortles being rushed as the starter. And not sitting in learning which has would now be doing. It's more likely to be an offense of defensive lineman, but Haskins would be spicy pick. And does make some practical sense. This is Jeremy rice from prior to Detroit dot com, and on behalf of the Detroit Lions, we select Florida state edge defender, Brian burns with the eighth overall pick those a tough decision for us to make because TJ Hopkinson was still on the board. And the lines have a big need for tight end. But ultimately, I went with Byrnes here because I think the lines are going to define themselves by their defensive line their defensive front with mattress or head coach. And burns brings them an elite pass rusher that maybe they're missing now that is e. Alonso's gone. I know the Detroit flowers and free agency. And I know they have a good defensive front all across the board. But adding Brian burns takes them to that next level where I think they become one of the most feared defensive lines in the entirely and the rest of the NFC north better take notice because Ryan burns is now Detroit line. This is Matt Warren from buffalo rumblings dot com, and I'll be half of the Buffalo Bills. We select TJ Hopkinson tight end Iowa with the number nine overall selection. The bills have several holes on their roster, but none are more glaring than it starting tight end. Head coach Sean McDermott has frequently mentioned it in interviews this season that the tight end position is super important him after buffalo signs six offensive linemen and three wide receivers and free agency. They need a dynamic and complete player at tight end to help quarterback. Josh Allen develop says, Tim Lynch from mile report. And it'd be half of the Denver Broncos. We selected drew lock with the tenth overall selection with Ed Oliver, Devon, white and TJ off the board. Drew lock was the only choice that made sense. Joe flacco is someone that the Broncos will have the next few years. But having a quarterback of the future is necessary. And all reports show that the Broncos are pretty interested in lock. So the choice seemed pretty pretty evident. Hey, everyone. This is Anthony Kazan's with cincy jungled dot com. In the orange black insider Bengals podcast with the number eleven overall pick in the NFL draft the Cincinnati Bengals select Devon Bush linebacker from Michigan. He makes sense for this team in a number of different levels. Because the team that the linebacker position is a mess and needs immediate help. He can be three down linebacker in the system, and he is a plug and play starter which this team needs immediate starters in the early rounds of this draft based on what's happened in previous classes, so Devin Bush from Michigan make sense the Bengals may would have liked a couple of other players to fall to them at all being one Devon white being another. But the way that the board fell this pick make sense it fills an immediate need. It's a safe pick. And it's a guy who can both defend the run and play in space against the past. Which is what's needed at the position for the team? This is Evan text. Western from acme packing company. And on behalf of the Green Bay Packers. We've selected montes's sweat and Russia from Mississippi State with the twelfth overall selection. So what is one of the most athletic pass rushers to enter the NFL and years in his production really lives up to that athleticism with two straight double digit sack seasons. Junior senior. He ran a four point four one second forty are dash at the combine this year, which is fast for anybody. But especially for a six foot six two hundred sixty pound pass rusher. Now, even though the Packers acquired a pair of free agent eggs rushers in serious and Preston Smith this off season you can never have enough guys who can get to the quarterback. So adding sweat here gives the Packers edged group with top talent depth that can rival just about any other unit in the NFL. This is Kevin noble from the Finsider and on behalf of the Miami Dolphins. We select Joon Taylor with the thirteenth. Overall, pick Taylor gives Miami and immediate replacement for John James and provides a starting book and opposite left tackle Laremy Tunsil. The dolphins have multiple needs this off season as they look to rebuild the foundation of a once glorious franchise, and what better way to fix the struggles of the past several years than by finally solving the puzzle that has been the offense of line look for the dolphins to build from here with probably another offense of line choice as well as some defensive line help and possibly developmental quarterback later in the draft. Hi, this is Dave choke from the alcohol IQ and on behalf of the Atlanta Falcons. I selected Jona Williams tackle out of Alabama for the Atlanta Falcons with the fourteenth overall pick the reason I made the selection it's pretty simple the best defensive lineman that I liked were gone and the foul. Desperately need a right tackle over the long haul Williams technician. He's a guy who's very smart, very talented. And certainly I think concerns over his arm length and so forth overblown. So the hope here is that the falcons are getting their right tackle for the next decade. And I'm very excited to welcome to the falcons. This is Brian stabby from hogs haven and on behalf of the Washington Redskins. We select Cleland feral with the fifteenth overall selection, simply put feral as a freak of nature and a true winner as a two-time college football national champion who racked up one hundred sixty five tackles and twenty seven sacks in his final three years at Clemson Ferrell's, an edge rusher who can do it all despite not meeting the prerequisite of being a former member of the Alabama crimson tide in DC can combine forces with his former foes to utilize his massive strength dominating size and exceptional explosiveness to bring a new wrinkle to defensive front seven that's on the rise. This is Bradley Smith from cat scratch reader and on behalf of the Carolina Panthers. We select Andre Dillard, left tackle Washington state with the number sixteen overall selection after releasing that Khalil in March and with both Daryl Williams and Taylor Moton better suited for right tackle or even guard. The Panthers don't have a true left tackle on the roster and Musset dress their lack of depth on their offense of line quarterback. Cam Newton miss the final two games of the two thousand eighteen season due to a shoulder injury or wired off season surgery, and it would be Carolina's best interest to give him some protection. So the offense can properly function when he returns in two thousand nineteen this is at Valentine from big blue view in on behalf of the New York Giants. We select Rashawn Gerry defensive lineman from Michigan with the seventeenth overall pick. Why Gary because we believe that the giants do need pass rush in while Gary has not had tremendous productivity during his college career. We believe that he's traits and his upside warrant the pick at this point and give the giants and opportunity to get a player. They can move around and one who has tremendous upside in could be an outstanding defensive lineman in the NFL. This is Christopher gates from the daily Norseman and on behalf of the Minnesota Vikings. We select Oklahoma guard Cody Ford with the eighteenth pick in the two thousand nineteen NFL draft. Obviously the biggest deed for the Minnesota. Vikings going into this draft is the offense of line. They could use help just about everywhere. And Cody Ford is a player who could potentially play tackle he could potentially play guard. I think he would slot in a little better at guard right now. But the Vikings could play at either of those spots, and he would be immediate day one starter and a significant upgrade talent wise for it offensive line that desperately needs it. So that's why he is our selection. The Jimmy Morris from easy miracles dot com. And I'll be half of the Tennessee titans. We select Gary bribery into your office of lime in North Carolina State with the nineteenth overall pick Bradbury's. God that should be a starter for the titans from day one as they looked to revamp their office of line in order to establish Kindy and the run game. And to find out what they have in Marcus mariota. This is a big year for him kind of do or die. So titans used this pick to make sure that they have as good of an office of lawn in front of him as they possibly can. Hi, this is Jeff Hartmann editor of behind the steel curtain dot com. Representing the Pittsburgh Steelers and with the twentieth. Overall, pick in the two thousand nineteen NFL draft. The Steelers select Byron Murphy cornerback from Washington University. Steelers long looked to solidify their secondary to match a pass rush that has been dominant the past you seasons, and by selecting Murphy, they're able to get the best overall cornerback in our opinion in this upcoming draft in the first round. It would be a great bridge for when Joe Hayden is ready to hang it up. This pick is going to have value. Not just in two dozen nineteen Ambien, and that's why. The Steelers have selected Byron Murphy with the twentieth. Pick. Beyond say, Arianna Guerande and Drake are talked about ad nauseam as celebrities. But there's one thing that's rarely discussed their music on switched on pop. We go deep into the sounds of pop music to explain what it means how it's made. And why it's so effective. We talked with some of today's greatest artists producers journalists to decode the musical logic behind our modern soundtrack and understand its role in our culture. Switched on pop won't reveal for you. How a secretive Swedish producer is behind many of the top ten hits of the past twenty years. We'll uncover the ways that songwriters embed their political activism into today's most popular tracks. We'll show you the surprising musical similarities between Cardi B, and Tim swift and will even dive into the classical pass to hear how the Jonas brothers MIR Mozart's youthful party days, I'm songwriter. Charlie. Harding, and I'm using colleges. Nate sloan. Join us on a journey through the world popular music by subscribing to switched on. Up on podcasts Spotify or your favorite podcast app to get new episodes every Tuesday. This is Brandon Scholtz from field goals and on behalf of the Seattle Seahawks. We select Jerry Tillery defensive lineman from Notre Dame with the twenty first overall pick. Now fans of other teams are going to wanna know that the Seahawks will be trading out of this pick. The ravens are picking right behind us. If another team wants to get up ahead of the ravens to take receiver. They could do it now. And that could also allow Seattle the move back a couple of spots and still get Tillery because they wanna stack their defensive line to add to the pass rush. If a fan, let's go and find extremely dominant performance by defensive lineman, Google, Jerry Tillery versus Stanford. He had four sacks in their thirty eight to seventeen win over Stanford last year. But I just wanna be clear. The Seahawks are definitely trading down. This is Kyle barber managing editor for Baltimore beat down on behalf of the Baltimore Ravens. We select wide receiver decay matchup with the twenty second overall selection. The perfect pick for the ravens as it addresses there. Great. Sneed with one of the best players available Metcalf is an incredible athlete with every physical tree could ask for. He's six foot three two hundred twenty eight pounds runs a four point three three forty yard. Dash the teammates surround Lamar Jackson with all the weapons to succeed. Metcalfe's presence on the field will instantly open up the offense. This isn't that west from bell red blog and on behalf of the Houston. Texans. We greedy LIAM's to the twenty third overall selection. The reason for this pick is pretty simple that three tackles extract, plastic been selected and that's Andre Dillard genitalium sin Joon Taylor. None of the other tackles available really worth at first round pick Ingraham's to the best cornerback available. He can highpoint the ball. Well, implant both pressman and cover three and cover four so coverages. He has the athlete. Profile coverage number one corner bag it has the ability to recover, even if he does get beat when that rarely happens. The Texans quarterback group is really bad. It's Bradley Roby. Jonathan Joseph Bryan body Calhoun and Aaron Kovin without the pass rush. JJ watt JV unclogging getting there the past is really bad too. And so with the Texas defense that doesn't have any cornerback telling pass this year and also having to place the best quarterbacks around the season drafting Williams to be the first step in improving pass defense, and he's improved dramatically. This is Lee Damian from silver and black pride and on behalf of the Oakland Raiders we select tied in no offense with the twenty fourth overall selection. It's no secret. Jon Gruden loves his tight ends losing receiving leader. Jared cook and free agency opened up a big need at tight end for the raiders who didn't wanna pay market price for thirty two year old first time pro bowler. They get Fant who has a similar skill set and athletic abilities as an apt replacement. This Brennan Leon from bleeding nation and on behalf of the Philadelphia Eagles. We select Clemson defensive tackle Christian Wilkins with the number twenty five overall pick eagles love to build through the trenches to help them win the Super Bowl in two thousand eighteen and drafting Wilkins aligns with their philosophy -fensive tackle still a need for the eagles despite signing Jackson because Jim Schwartz loves to heavily rotate. His defensive lineman will give the eagles another interior pass rusher alongside Jackson Fletcher Cox and makes eagles defence even better. A number twenty five overall the would be very fortunate to get Christian woman's this is Brett mock from stampede blue. And on behalf of the Indianapolis Colts. We select Jeffrey Simmons defensive tackle from Mississippi State with twenty six overall selection Semons exit senior season as one of the top fifteen prospects in the class, but suffered unfortunate ACL tear during workouts in February. This woman that Semons need to redshirt his rookie year and will. Him down draft boards. Chris Bowden just the GM to take this pick. 'cause he is building for the future and veteran interior defensive linemen already in place for the coming season. This Levi Damian from silver and black pride and on behalf of the Oakland. Raiders we select safety sear Adderley with the twenty seventh overall selection with their third pick in the first round they fill another big need on defense at lease the top safety in this draft. So there is more than happy to get him at twenty seven overall he cemented himself the draft's top safety in the senior bowl, which was coached by the raiders staff and even had an interception in the game. He solidifies the raiders secondary, especially safety position, which features former top pick Karl Joseph and recent free-agent aquisition lamarcus Joyner this Garissa St. from both of the blue on behalf of the charters. We don't reisner the tackle at Kansas state with the twentieth. Overall, pick the chargers get the last plug and. Play off. It's tackle left on the board. He will play right? Tackle for the chargers right away. Shirring up their biggest weakness against the stout. AFC west pass rushers to help protect Philip rivers. Reisner also has the versatility to play in tier offense of lineman guard was a problem for the chargers as well last year. So if don't can't hang on an island on the right side. He can also play guard and kick inside grabbing the last starter among the offense of line in reisner. There's a lot of good death on the defensive line of safety to address in day to for the chargers. This is Ken Swanson with Arrowhead pride making the selection for the Kansas City Chiefs, we elected to go with Akeem Butler, the wide receiver from Iowa State. The board didn't really fall particularly well for the chiefs in this scenario in that something that's been kind of consistent kind of throughout the mock draft process that you seen, you know, lately in I think this is kind of proof that she should. Probably be aggressive about trying to move up to get value in the early twenties potentially. If on the defensive side of the football if a guy like cloud in feral, potentially were to fall. So instead, we went with Butler, high upside excellent athletic profile big guy with some inside outside versatility at the wide receiver position. This is Evan techs. Western from acme packing company. And I'd be half the Green Bay Packers. We select Chris Lindstrom offense lineman. Boston College with the thirtieth overall selection. The Packers have short-term question marks at guard and long-term questions at right tackle with Brian the Llagas contract up after this season Lindstrom earned all conference honors at both positions. And though he could probably start on day one at guard. He certainly should be in the mix to be Brian blog as air after the season. Furthermore, he's got exceptionally quick feet in great athleticism, which would be a great fit for new head coach Mettler floor in the zone blocking run scheme. He plans to bring Green Bay as an athlete Lindstrom fits with the Packers look for in their lineman to t and he should be able to help solidify line. That's just giving up too many sacks of Aaron Rodgers in recent years as Joe Makati from Tertia times and behalf of the loss Angeles. Rams. We select Eric McCoy with the thirty first overall pick Eric McCoy center, Texas, AM, the Rams have a transition that they're undergoing on their offense of line of Roger Chaffee starting. Left guard and John Sullivan both left in free agency this year. Andrew Whitworth is heading into his final year before retiring in Austin Blythe was a squat starter that came in last year that took over for Jemaah Brown when he had to gain suspension to begin the year ended up keeping that job throughout the season. So with that kind of instability in not knowing what the Transition's gonna look like, despite the fact, they've got Joseph note, whom and Brian Allen on the roster who they took it the two thousand eighteen NFL draft. Those guys didn't play it'll this season. I think McCoy would be an obvious fit for what they've got going on the inside and give them an extra body to sort through through training camp and figure out which of those four between Blythe note, boom Allen. And now McCoy would go into rotational depth on the depth chart, but at least in a stronger position than there are now and as they head towards the third round where they got a couple extra picks. They can look at some of those other roster gaps especially on the defensive side. This is Pat lane from the patriot nation podcast. On pats pulpit and on behalf of the New England Patriots. We are selecting AJ Brown with these thirty second overall pick spags. What do you think about that? You know, how do you feel about AJ Bronco in the patriots thirty two? I mean, you know, Ben just said it might not be a rack. I you know receiver after the catch, but he's reliable. He's gonna get open. He's got good hands. And you know when I'm too much tape on him. When you watch him. I think that's you know, that's the guy that sits the patriots mold, you know, that receiver that shifty. That's got good hands can play on different situations. You know, I mean, hey, if he's there thirty two, and they feel that that's the new they need to address that early in the draft and go for it because you know, we'll get into a little bit with the mayor's Thomas, but they need to get young in that position. You know? Julia is getting older he has taken plenty. It's in garland knows how long LB around. So you know, they can kind of find one of those guys early in the draft. I'm all right. And like you said a lot of people wanna draft experts like that are high on nj Browns. So no complaints from me. I agree. I agree. And look he's not the flashiest guy. Maybe he's not, you know, the the the number one overall wide receiver on the board. But he's a guy who's consistent who's going to do. His job was a good blocker willing blocker. You know, kind of do all those things the patriots like out of a receiver. And so I think it's a great pick for the patriots here at thirty two. Rounding out the end of the first round. Well, that was a whole heck of a lot of fun. If you ask me, and by the way, me I am are Joe from SPF nation, and that was the espionage in bloggers mock draft thirty two picks in the books that is obviously exactly what's going to happen. You can write it in stone people when the actual NFL draft gets going on April twenty fifth there were some really interesting selections in this mock draft, it was really interesting to hear the perspective of people who know their team best from across our team sites at espionage. And to hear why they think these picks make sense to hear why they've been their team will make those choices to hear why they think these are the best possible routes that their team can go when it comes to the all important selection. It is a first round pick in the NFL draft. I know I learned a lot. I hope you learned a lot. I had a fantastic time. And I'm sure that you did as well. I said in the beginning that I hope you brought a snack. I devoured mine. And I'm sure that you did as well. Once again, the actual two thousand nine hundred. NFL draft begins on Thursday, April twenty fifth two thousand nine hundred and how many picks you think we got right? Who do you think made the best case who do you agree with the most make sure you join your team side and give us your feedback? Let us know what was wrong. What was right? What was silly? What was stupid? 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'Valentine's Views' podcast: Arizona Cardinals preview

"Are you troubled by strange hockey trades in the middle of the night. Do you experienced feelings of dread about N._H._l.. Free Agency have you or your family ever seen in New York islanders game. If the answer is yes then don't wait another minute. Pick up your mobile device and subscribe to Lighthouse Hockey podcast from espy nation today our courteous efficient hosts are ready to serve all of your islander needs and worries lighthouse hockey podcasts for New York islanders fans mm-hmm <music> giants fans and welcome to a new edition of the Big Blue View podcast. I'm Ed Valentine of Big Blue View and on today's show. We're going to talk about the Arizona cardinals to end to do that. We're joined joined by John Venerable of S._p.. Nations revenge of the Birds John Writes for the site and is co host of revenge the birds podcast John. Thank you very much for joining me today absolutely hey thanks for album excited to talk with you. Hey you know the cardinals were one of the more interesting teams in during the off season in they'll be <hes> kind of exciting to watch this year. So <hes> you know different <hes> a little different you know for the cardinals this year with with Kyle Murray at quarterback and and obviously that's where we have to start. What's your take or your your belief on whether the cardinals were right or not to <hes> to move on so quickly from Josh Rosen and to go in the direction of taken cuyler Murray first overall putting the franchise in his hands yeah? I think that's the question right now. <hes> that we're going to watch over the course of the next two to three years whether or not the cardinals were proven right <hes> or if you know Rosen even gets the opportunity to prove them wrong considering his current situation elation I can tell you that I was a big supporter of dating back to last season. I thought the cardinals got tremendous value for him when they traded up in the first round from fifteen to pretend only giving up a third and the fifth in the process <hes> <hes> I can also tell you that rose in this time last year in camp looked outstanding looked every bit like <hes> one of the best young quarterback prospects in football and then it just kind of unraveled there. The cardinals put together probably one of the worst N._F._l.. Staffs from a coaching standpoint standpoint that this league is seen in some time I think Rosen had some of the worst pass protection upfront that <hes> that the League has not seen since David car. If you check the advanced analytics it would support that <hes> Steve wilks is a is a good man is a a sound defensive head coach or excuse me a sound defensive coach but really has no business being a head coach we found that out and then to hire Mike McCoy your offensive coordinator in the year twenty eighteen is just outlandish so rosen was conceivably. It'll be set up to fail from a coaching administrative and personnel standpoint <hes> but I fully expected him to run this cliff Kingsbury offense moving into the off season. I thought all the Marie hype was white noise. I thought they were trying to drum up a trade up opportunity formerly whether it be Oakland or your New York giants and then as we got closer and closer to the draft and <hes> noise started getting louder and you got reputable people like Chris Mortensen and Adam schefter saying like this happen you know the the rest of us had to come to grips with as much as I liked Rosen as a prospect in in one it continued to see him potentially do well elsewhere. You know I I am very much a big buyer into what cliff Kingsbury <hes> could do for this team offensively offensively and if he deems Kyla Maria quarterback he and Steve Kaime deem him as the quarterback of the future into maximize this offense who am I to judge <hes> I will say the cardinals were historically bad offensively last year and by historically bad they had <hes> <unk> only average roughly thirteen point five points per game less than fourteen points per game in today's n._F._l.. Standards that's horrifically bad <hes> so even though I wanna pile on everything other than Rosen I mean he was not good over the course of the Games he started he got progressively progressively wars. He lost confidence in you know it is it is fair to question what his ceiling would be. Everybody coming out compared him to maybe a poor man's Matt Ryan and we've Seen Matt Ryan have success in this league but he I don't think anybody would consider him a transcendent talent and I I firmly believe that's what they consider Kyla Marie to be in listen once we got past the point of swallowing the compensation that we give up for Rosen you know coming to grips with the fact that we weren't going to get that compensation back and just focusing on Kyla Marie the player. I think a lot of cardinal fans tell you they're excited about Marie. They're excited about what energy he can bring to this to really this irrelevant franchise at this point Marie I think has the same kind of Gravitas and excitement built around him similar to Michael Vick back but he's much more of a refined pocket passer. I think his game is much more suited for the twenty nineteen N._F._l.. Vicks was back in the early two thousands and so my biggest concern is and this is probably unfair to him but because he's never been hurt but just how will the old up over the course of a sixteen game N._F._l.. Season can't take the pounding. He's GonNa take behind that Arizona offensive line now to Kim series credit. They're going to be in the shotgun ninety nine percent of the time they're going to be doing three step. Res Are going to be doing quick. dropbacks bags are going to be doing. You'll fluoride receivers the ball quick. David Johnson's going to be utilized in the passing game much more often than he was neutered under Mike McCoy last year so he's not. I don't think he's GonNa take many hits as obviously Rosen did last year but you know from an on the field standpoint. A Kayla Marie is the real deal if he can stay healthy. I think he'll be a franchise quarterback to what level I don't know but <hes> I'm excited to find out John I wanna get to cliff Kingsbury but before I do that on to circle back to a couple of things that you mentioned there. You talked a little bit about Steve Wilks and really this is just a comment. I have to say that I'm glad that it was the cardinals and not the giants who ended up making the Steve wilks mistake. Make sure I I seriously thought that with Dave Gentlemen having been in Carolina in having worked with Steve Wilks I thought that will would probably get an interview for the giants job and might be one of the front runners to get that head coaching job and say what you want about Pat Shurmur and some people have I guess people have varying opinions on Shurmur. I think in the N._F._l.. Dot Com ratings ratings that came out today he was the lowest ranked head coach other than guys who are in their first seasons as head coaches for for whatever that's worth but thank you to the Arizona Cardinals for making the wilkes mistake instead of letting the giants do it yeah well. It got us to were today so I can't fault you there. I will say the cardinals wanted to interview. Pat Shurmur had a lot of interest in him and would have probably named him their head coach had the giants not been his prime target so the cardinals cardinals kind of fell back into Wilkes and I can also tell you that the cardinals probably as crazy as it sounds would have been better off keeping your current defensive coordinator James Becher and promoted him after Bruce Arians left the cardinals were consistently a top five ten defense with James Becher <hes> they ran what they do now conventional three four but they for whatever reason uprooted their entire defense under wilkes and that started off the chain reaction of the ineptitude that was the twenty eighteen cardinals now what that I will say in defense to Wilkes is he was probably much more suited to inherit a veteran franchise quarterback like like the situation that you're seeing in in. I WANNA say San Diego with the chargers. That kind of team was you know had the pieces in place for him just kind seamlessly transition and they ran his his preferred style defense. You've got a franchise quarterback in place. I think that he would have been more successful than he was but you know just the plan that was put in place by by him from a schematic attic standpoint and then really Steve Time should not go without blame the Carton Arizona Cardinals G._M.. That brought in you know both Mike Glennon and Sam Bradford to run. Mike McCoy's offense. I may just it was a comedy of Ariza comedy of ineptitude from this franchise and what it led to was the team bottoming out to the point where they got the number one overall pick and they've essentially head to restart in very much are are looking instead of short cutting instances last year at quarterback and head coach. They're going for a long rebuild approach and that's the sound way to do it John since you mentioned him. I have to ask you about James Becher. He was brought to New York last year. There was quite a bit of fanfare over the the hiring of Becher instead instead of the retaining of former defensive coordinator Steve Spagnolo the giants defense performed badly a year ago. Dave Gettleman said a number of times it had they been able to get stops stops at the end of games they would have won four or five more games than they did in their five and eleven season might take on bet your has been that it's not fair to judge him off of last season because he he didn't have the kind of players that fit the type of defense that he likes to run. Just give giants fans your thoughts on James Becher on the kind of defensive coordinator. He is in on what he might bring to the giants given some time to fully implement his system and get the kind of players that he wants yeah. Absolutely I think the perfect situation to compare imperative is what you just explained. Cardinals Headey Fan Beloved Defensive Coordinator Todd Bowles in twenty fourteen who led them to oppose birth. It was very much defensive heavy team they were they were top five into law or told the events and <hes> to that regard todd went on to be the defensive coach of the year and get the job with jets and so it was very much inflicts who would be the next defensive coordinator in the interview outside the organization but eventually settled on James Becher per Bruce Arians recommendation and it worked out. I mean the cardinals the next year with James Becher now that the offense took flight but he played a very nice complimentary style of defensive football en route two a division championship which they had netted since Kurt Warner had been there and also an appearance in the N._F._C. Championship game and had they not run into a buzz saw on Cam Newton and the Carolina Panthers. I think they would have been you know right there to to contend for a super bowl and did the threat the duration that season I e held multiple high powered offenses to you know subpar performances. He <hes> had a very strong showing against Aaron Rodgers outside of those two like hail. Mary miracle throws that Roger seems to pull off against everybody. If you go back and watch the divisional round in two thousand fifteen Patrick Peterson has a pick six at would have sealed the game and Rogers was still in the teens. I think late in the third quarter that the officials called back on a Phantom holding call so my recommendation him for giants fans is wait until he gets the proper personnel which he did not have last year. I think that's why I says a lot of frustration with giant fans with with the team not going <hes> edge rusher in the first round this year because that's really what he needs to make his defensive offensive front seven work defensive front seven Guy <hes> and he had Chandler Jones and Marcus golden go off in two thousand sixteen if you look at their numbers both of them had double digit sacks marcus golden led the league with thirteen and a half sacks <hes> in in two thousand sixteen Chandler Jones the next year had <hes> fifteen sacks Chandler Jones was was a good player in New England. He became in the League player in my opinion in Arizona partially because of James Becher <hes> you know he had a he had a lot of quality players but he produced. Multiple top ten defensive finishes as well in the team <hes> opted not to retain him or even offer him a contract because they hired Steve wilks four three guy had they gone with an offensive minded head coach like Pat Shurmur. I think you'd see probably the same a combination that you're seeing in New York in Arizona so giant fans should take solid so that I think is good coach. I'm not sure he's a great coach but I think he's very probably a top twelve defensive coordinator in the League and again. If you give him the talent he can. He can help your team <unk> division titles in have success. I know spagnuola historically was was fantastic in New York <hes> and and so it was probably time for change at some point as well so <hes> don't give up on him just yet. It's I think it's more so about addressing the defensive personnel because I think the giants have have made a lot of investments in their offense recently in it's time to to shed some light on the Defense John you know the giants did invest heavily defensively INA draft with with several of their picks being on the defensive side of the ball. You mentioned the edge rusher situation and at seventeen in the draft which was the giants second first round pick they. I chose the big defensive tackle Dexter Lawrence when Montanez sweat who's the edge rusher type guy that everyone sort of figured that the giants would go after was still the board just knowing a bet your defense and as you said he really needs that edge rushing presence just your thoughts on on selecting a guy like Dexter Lawrence and and what he does was or could do in a in a James Becher type defense yeah if and I forgot to mention Marcus golden is now a member of the New York giants and I have always been not to get too off track but I have always been a huge marcus golden fan. His twenty seventeen season was wiped out with an A._C._l.. Tear that he really wasn't back from last season and he played out of position. I mean he's really going to be back in his current outside linebacker role for the first time since two thousand sixteen where he led. I believe the N._F._l.. And saxwood twelve in half thirteen sacks that year Mus- really good player and so if the giants are getting net marcus golden who's still under the age of thirty even if he puts eight to ten sacks season that's going to do dividends <hes> I know that sign Kary Martin who was a cardinal a third round pick a nice rotational player in you're right they do not have a transcendent edge rusher but like you mentioned no Montas sweat would have been good value but there were some health concerns <hes> some medical concerns. I don't think <hes> you know anybody was rating outside of of that. First group of pass rushers that all excuse me went in the top ten was a pretty big drop off and so you're looking at best positional value in like you mentioned the cardinals utilize the really the five technique sneak that knows three four nose tackle to perfection with Becher <unk> he had Corey Peters who is a high contributor from Atlanta to come over in the cardinals defense and was a really nice player and they were always stout against the run is in Arizona and that's you know the first success to great defense is yet to be able to stop the run and I know if you look up Corey Peter's numbers <hes> in two thousand sixteen twenty seventeen they weren't great statistically but just the presence up the middle in show. I'm sure that's the frustration nationw- giants fans as he's GonNa play a lot of Quality Sundays unless you're watching intently. You may not see it. Jump out on the stat sheet so what I would tell you is I I would hope for Marcus golden to have a rebound year and then next year depending on where you're picking working. <hes> try to target an edge rusher but going Daniel Jones in the top ten if you believe he's the quarterback of the future you can't risk in on an edge rusher if you'll have the quarterback I'm a firm believer quarterback takes care of most everything then you put pieces around him to be successful so oh you know I I give a lot of people are dogging on that pick. If you don't have a quarterback you're not gonNA win much of anything in this league in in so <hes> you know next year addressed the pass rusher the cardinals got pretty far <hes> without a dominant pass rusher sure until Chandler Jones arrived in twenty sixteen the cardinals did not have him in their two thousand fifteen playoff run if you go back and look up those numbers and they still were I think top ten in sacks granted they had closed Campbell as a as a defensive end but go that can look who they were starting at outside linebacker in the postseason in two thousand fifteen. It was a lot of street free agents. Some Alex okafor mixed in there so veteran got the most out of that unit <hes> and I I would much rather have had marcus Golden <hes> in his late twenties than whatever they were touting that year so John Let me ask you one more question before we take a quick break here. I was going to ask you in fact <hes> in a little while. I'm actually going to ask you kind of go player by player. Some guys that are with the cardinals now some former cardinals that are with the giants but let me ask you this Marcus golden question before we move on the thing that I'm concerned about with golden olden isn't necessarily the health per se I can look at last year and say okay. He wasn't healthy. You go back a couple of years to win. He had the big sack season but I look at that and despite the numbers I'm not sure he was a number one pass rusher on that cardinals team. I believe he also had Chandler Jones on one side and I believe the cardinals also had callejas Campbell at that time. If I'm if I'm not mistaken so my question is when you look at the giants they might conceivably be asking Marcus Golden. You know coming off a couple of down years to be a number one pass rusher. Can he be that guy or is he a guy that had a lot of that success because of the quality of players that was around him a little bit of both. I think the cardinals took him in the second round and had touted him as what they believe was a franchise edge rusher. If that position exists from the moment they drafted him and that was the same year that <hes> another highly touted outside linebacker from Missouri came out that went to Denver his his name escapes me but <hes> Marcus was the Kennedy afterthought in that class and he had I think under double digit sacks for his last year at Missouri but they played a traditional three before defense and so we're like okay yeah let's wait and see and then he flashed briefly in twenty fifteen just wasn't ready as a rookie but then came out and exploded the next year and you're right I mean he benefited from Jaylen Jones on the opposite side and he benefit from glazed Campbell being upfront. The Joe <unk> Jones and class play on the same side of the field for the most part. I mean Marcus was on his own the F. Some cleanup sacks sure but I don't think he lucked into twelve and a half thirteen sacks that season. I think a realistic mark for him this year I think the over over under I would put at it for his Saxon in twenty nineteen is eight and for getting him as cheap as you did. I think that that would be a sound contribution to giants. Defensive has some nice pieces you know I can't speak to their depth on the defensive line outside Dexter Lawrence in in and you know who's at defensive end outside of Olsen Pierre and some other guys but what I can tell you is that he is a high character guy. He's somebody that's going to be in this league pending health for longtime in that I think could still consistently be playing at a high level well into his thirty's assuming he can stay healthy he somebody that I would not count against because he's going to do everything on and off the field the right way. <hes> and I know it's somebody the cardinals had targeted about giving a big time second contract to before his you know Oh a._C._l.. Injury and then the coaching change I think had he not gotten heard of course in they had kept a three or four mine defensive head coach even with <hes> the Chandler Jones I think they would have paid marcus golden and I think he would have gotten paid nicely assuming you look at some of these other or defensive end deals outside linebacker deals for some US Delta Way Liberty Vernon. I'm Markus goldens a better player Olivier Vernon giants fans will be thrilled to to hear that assessment in will cross our fingers and hope that you're absolutely absolutely correct because the giants definitely need some playmaking off the edge of their defense. Let's let's take a quick break for a word from our sponsors here and then we will come back and continue our conversation the station with John Venerable about the Arizona cardinals. Hey I'm the editor in chief. The verge host of the verge cast we even revamping the more and more lately and coming out that it's twice a week sometimes even a third bonus episode on Tuesdays. I talked to influential people around the world of Tech like Microsoft Founder Bill Gates and other tech exactly founder of lime scooters the C._E._o.. 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We've talked about cliff Kingsbury but I haven't really asked you yet. What is your take on Kingsbury? I mean this is a guy who basically is a failed college head coach who who is now getting a chance to run an N._F._l.. Team basically he has a really thin resume is this guy who can actually succeed as an N._F._l.. Head coach has organ find out. I think we're going to look to this as an experiment that really nobody else will willing to take on but the cardinals are banking on the trends that they're seeing throughout the rest of the N._F._l.. Is that you're going to pair in offensive head coach albeit one with no experience with what they believe is a young transcendent franchise quarterback. I thought they should have done this last year I would have given Josh Rosen an offensive minded head head coach they didn't do that. It blew up in their face. I think defensive head coaches unfortunately are the way of the past with the way the rules are based now. I would not hire a defensive head coach in today's n._F._l.. Unless my team was you know Peyton manning I and you know tailor-made to win a championship and you know everything lined up the right way. I would pair any young quarterback rookie or not with an offensive minded head coach. Somebody who's calling the plays or is an integral part of the play coin process and that's what they targeted with cliff Kingsbury. I can tell you that in December even with Steve wilks on the way out. He hadn't been fired yet. The team was con- some kind of connection conversation with Clip Kingsbury. They identified him as a target. I I know they liked Adam. Gates a fair amount they interviewed gates early on and I can tell you it was down to the New York jets and the Arizona cardinals forklift Kingsbury services they went back and forth <hes> in a somewhat of a bidding more to get him to be their next head coach. The cardinals not hire clippings berry or had cliff Kingsbury are not chosen the Arizona cardinals he would be the New York jets head coach and the cardinals likely would have hired Adam Gates they would have swapped positions and so what I can tell you is. They are trying out a unique experiment in which the G._M.. Is Hiring in an offensive coordinator is head coach to work primarily with his offense the G._M.. Cliff Steve Time essentially picked hand for hand his defensive staff <hes> that being Vance Joseph and as defensive coordinator coordinator and is filling out the rest of his coaching staff outside the offensive side <hes> Kingsbury has you know complete control the offense <hes> and situationally on Game Day he is going to you know run the team run the show but it's it's very. Very different than how things have been done historically in the N._F._l.. In the past they wanted to pair cuyler Murray or Josh Rosen because had they decided not to go with Murray with a young offense of mine that could grow with him assuming coming this year and maybe next year is going to be a rebuilding year. He's thirty nine years old and you know say what you want about his coaching record. He can score points and that's what wins in the N._F._l.. Now I mean we saw Kansas City. We saw the steelers we shot saw the rams. <hes> struggled defensively certain points last season the chiefs especially early on but they were putting up thirty forty points a game early on in the season and the cardinals want to have an offense like you saw in those cities last year and I think that the defense is gonna GonNa go by by the wayside at least early on and then once they feel like Marie and Kingsbury are ascending enough as an offensive staple Ville addressed the defense kind of at a situational basis. I think they'll always hoped to have quality pass rushing but you know I don't. I don't know if there's GonNa be as much of a precedent placed on the cardinals defense when the offense was so historically bad I can't for those who didn't watch the team is your first of all. You're very fortunate but they were one of the worst watches I can remember as a you know the thirty year old that has been watching football all my life. I've never seen a product this poorly offensively in for that to be stated in the year twenty eighteen <hes> that being the team last year with the way the rules are trending. It's just it was horrific to watch Larry. Fitzgerald led the team in receiving yards with seven hundred and three four receptions David Johnson only average three point six yards per carry but that doesn't even do it justice the team you know Josh Rosen led the team in touchdown passes with eleven through fourteen interceptions completed under sixty percent of his throws. I don't even think they reached three thousand yards passing as a team in fact they didn't <hes> they were last in first down last and third down conversion last and fourth down conversion last in total offense last points per game last rushing yards last in passing yards. I mean it you have to try to be this bad offensively and so of course the cardinals are going to try to do something this drastic in order to jump start this and you can already see it the <unk> it's paying dividends yet. The cardinals are <hes> on preseason T._v.. On Nationally Televised Games twice and they only have one nationally televised game that was predetermined before they pick Murray so they're hoping Marie <hes> makes them relevant again <hes> <hes> we can worry about. I guess winning later. That's a that's a mouthful of bad statistical performances. They're unbelievable yeah you. Would you had to watch it to believe it. I mean we got to the point the end of last we're we're just hoping they would get out of the game with Rosen still being attacked worst case scenario <unk> towards A._C._l.. But was fully possible they just it looks they were starting to practice. Level offensive line in their offensive line is great to begin with but they saves practice level street for raisins by the end of the year and that's you know part of it's on the G._M.. Was Not competent enough to address that position in what I will give credit to the New York giants and their front office. They've made it a priority. This franchise would kill for Kevin Zeitler or will hernandez end as or even innate soldier. I mean so the giants I think have done a really nice job and I'm hoping the cardinals can emulate it to some degree over the next eighteen months and really rebuilding this line from scratch and adding some key pieces. I think your two guards in particular are to that I would have killed have had this past year is a really steady player in this league and I was a huge will hernandez families when he was coming out last year so <hes> I think the giants at least upfront are headed in the right direction so let me ask askew this <hes> before we before we get into a little bit of <hes> of the name game kind of thing that I've mentioned earlier in the show cardinals had eleven draft picks so beyond beyond Cuyler Murray the first overall pick out of those eleven picks. Are there a couple of guys in that group that you're really really excited about yeah I mean it was it was a a banner day for the team. They <hes> get a lot of great value but that's to be expected when you're picking first in each round. I think the couple of guys jump out vira Murphy is much as I wanted them to go tackle at pick thirty three. I think Byron Murphy's He's positional value overall value. A pick thirty three was too good to pass up for the team. I think a lot of people had him as the number one corner in this draft in with Patrick Peterson potentially being on the outs with the franchise suspended six games next season <hes> being able to implement him. I am <hes> fellow teammate at Washington Baker. <hes> gives you a nice <hes> duo in the secondary for hopefully the years to come in. I think one of the biggest under the radar moves that any team made the draft was Akeem Butler at the first pick of the fourth round Butler who a lot of people had a you know a mid second grade on if not higher I saw some mocks him going late I in early April to get him at the top of the fourth round and I get it he's raw but he somebody with six five four four speed and to be able to pair him him with with Kyla Murray and then what else they've done it receiver in kind of uprooted at position <hes> just to ask him to to go and do you know his traditional go routes. He's made some sensational catches in his career. At Iowa state. He and Kingsbury have a long lasting relationship relationship so his value I think at the top of the fourth round don't be surprised if in two years from now he is the defacto starter opposite Christian Kirk on the outside somebody that teams also very high on and I would say to somebody to target your fantasy grabs years of breakout player for the team but <hes> Byron Murphy and it Kim Butler were both tremendous value <hes> players were they were picked up and what I also will tell you is landy. Isabella was the pick for Rosen was the player that they had traded traded away Rosenbaum and they got a second round pick for Miami a late second round pick and they use that on on India's Abell Isabella in my opinion. His ceiling is probably right at a thousand yards and so a lot will be made that the cardinals traded away a potential franchise. <unk> is quarterback for a slot receiver on but they view him as an interchangeable piece punt returner kick returners. Somebody who had the highest deep ball grade of of any player via pro football focus was an all American at his level play at Umass so I mean ah I think that that that position itself is is gone leaps and bounds compared to where it was last season that being receiver <hes> but much to my Chagrin of course if you listen if you've been listening to this podcast you know that I'm a sucker for the o line and in having them not address it again with Murray you know only being five nine that that concerns me but from a value standpoint. I can't argue with with what they did all right so let's finish up with this. I'M GONNA throw some names is it. You just give me your reaction your thoughts on on the players that that I mentioned there's some crossover between the giants and cardinals with the players that have gone back and forth so let me throw a few names Achy you've already talked talked about Marcus Golden. You're already talked a little bit about Kareem Martin who is in a second year with the giants so let's <hes> let's throw a couple names at you a guy that the cardinals signed to a big free the agent contract Justin Pugh your thoughts on on pugh very disappointing. I think the echo probably would allow giants fans felt I think somebody who can't stay healthy and when he's healthy he's he's a solid player to baverage average player at the guard position now. The cardinals aren't asking him to play tackle like the giants did at times but somebody I think that the cardinals are going to be looking to move off of a after the season assuming he's not healthy released fourteen games antoine great player in his prime the cardinals <hes> guideline of miles mileage out of him over the course of his last couple of years in Arizona but somebody who's probably this is on his last legs in the N._F._l.. They can get a a competent season out of him in New York. That'll probably be the last one E C. Can he play at in his age. Thirty five season. I looked at his splits and on pro football focus in terms of positions that he played laid. Can he still play for another year at least a competent free safety. Yeah I think so if you give him enough ample time on the sideline if if you play five have sixty bs at one time. I think that he is a tremendous presence in the locker room. He's one of the highest character players I can remember. arriens talking about Aaron's was with him in Indianapolis when they won that <hes> division title when Aaron's was the <hes> default head coach during Ghana's <hes> surgery and cancer scare and so <hes> aarons was a big reason why was the reason why they brought him to Arizona and so sure implementing a young safety in the secondary like that your bill peppers like the giants are he's the perfect kinda running mate <hes> he's probably best suited to be your third or four safety <hes> but you know starting and then you know leading way to some younger players rising up. I think <hes> is fine. That'd be he's. He's a the CY I think he'll be a solid contributes whom he can say healthy but not somebody you want. You know foresee playing pass this year. Eli Penny is at allies. You're penny right yes so he was kind of a big power bag that the cardinals envision you lies along with David Johnson and then once a figured out that David could be elite in between the ball tackler at the goal line that they kind of scrap that and that was the breakout season a twenty sixteen David Eh twenty plus touchdowns. I always was a big fan of his game <hes> but Barclays so <hes> comparable to David and better than David at this point is career on. I don't know how much he'd be utilized but somebody that I definitely I would feel great rate about using him in the Red Zone in wearing people out especially with those two guards and the last one is another defensive player another former cardinal that the giants have have brought in to give them some depth along on the defensive line a guy that to be honest. I know virtually nothing about and that would be Olsen peer. Yeah Actually Olsen peer is <hes> somebody I envision the cardinals Oh keeping after the two thousand seventeen season and of course let him go <hes> because they transitioned out of their face three or four and I thought it was a terrible decision in the twenty sixteen season the cardinals cardinals <hes> had to keep him on their active roster in would not put him on their practice squad. I think he was a rookie. Maybe A second-year player. They were so high on him in his early stages but he just didn't have a space on the defensive line. It was one one of their best defensive line groups in two thousand sixteen <hes> that they just stabbed him on their active roster and the next season in limited play he did not play he was not a starter consistent starter. <hes> maybe a spot start at five and a half sacks thanks for a solid defense but one that had lost glaze Campbell one that was trying to force feed is Robert Kim Digi and he outplayed a lot of defensive lineman on that on that defensive line in twenty seventeen and for whatever reason the cardinals opted not got to keep him and let him walk in so it was a little bit disappointing after this season they basically made him a relevant with Steve Wilks. I I would look at the twenty seventeen as more of an indictment of who he is somebody who he's only twenty seven years old. He was undrafted like I mentioned Scott some good size and he's almost six five three hundred pounds <hes> he can be a nice rotational player for the giants defensive line absolutely John. 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Big Blue Big Board: Top 10 Positional Preview Part 1 - Offense

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Big Blue Big Board: Top 10 Positional Preview Part 1 - Offense

"Uh-huh. Welcome to the big big word Bod cast. I am Dan position. Join to your back. Chris flung, Chris how you doing today doom pretty good. We're in the homestretch. We are draft week. It is happening this week in in a few days distressed needs to have happened like two weeks ago. But it's close it's close we're getting close. So we are in final preparations for this rat. And today we are going to be running down our positional top ten's, a Chris and I both listed out our top ten at each position. You're going to go over them talk to each other about some of the differences in our top tens, and then this is going to help us to put together a combined big board. We're going to put out on big blue view little later in the week before the draft. So all of this is coming down to our. Our final preparations, and we could not be more excited for this draft to get here. So all we're going to do here is rundown are positional top tens. I we're going to start on offense. And there's one place where we can start their position we've talked about quite a bit. So after we run through our top ten's. Maybe we don't need to talk about it quite as much as we have in the past. But let's just start with quarterback all run down. My top ten verse. So QB one obviously clearly collar Murray and go Dwayne Haskins will Greer drew lock. Then I go Ryan Finley Akiba five Brit Rippin cube six Daniel Jones key, seven Jordan, Tian new acuity, eight garner Minhsiu QB nine and Caja Castillo at QB ten Chris. Let's dig into your top ten. Okay. So obviously, I have my tie. Top four are the same as yours. Kyla Murray win Haskins will Greer Andrew lock. I think those four are basically head shoulders above everybody else. I start to diverge from you get to QB five mine is jerked stem out of Auburn than I have Ripken. Ryan Finley Daniel Jones, Ed, Jordan, Jammu and Tyree. Jackson Durant out my top ten. One of the interesting is big differences. We had is you have Jared stood him as QB five. I do not have him in my top ten to one of my problems with him. He was just too inaccurate. For me to really like. I think that's a problem with basically any quarterback after like QB four here. And drew lock. I think is teetering on even that. But it has deep ball ability that I think that makes him the clear QB four. What does the price is after all of this talk that we've had I am technically higher than you on Daniel Jones. He was my seven is your QB eight obviously, the NFL is going to be way higher on him. Then either one of us are we both see him as kind of a mid round developmental prospect. The NFL is going to see him as a potential starter in the first round. But I think it's kind of Ogle. After all of this item out just a Ted higher on Daniel Jones than you do. Yeah. Well as people who've read my work for a while. No. When I pick a hill. I pick it hill, dammit. And right now, I have Daniel Jones as a fourth round quarterback on my board as far as I'm concerned, or at least my read on him is that his stealing is basically a backup quarterback a guy who. You will probably be great in the quarterback room great locker room and with his athletic traits could probably come in. If you're starter gets hurt or if you're blowing team out and either be at best a human cigar as you take victory lap or maybe run around and help you scrape out a win. But that's about all I see from him. If I was GM, I would probably have Jarret stidham behind. Brit Rabin and Ryan Finley in the third round. However, I do believe he will probably get overdrafted based on just his physical traits. Str- has a strong arm. He can run, and I think scouts will be able to hang their hats on that while coaches can look at him in college say, wow, that Auburn offense gave him just no opportunity for. For growth, I can work with that. Yes. They don't be interesting because you do hear about the Auburn scheme allot, and he here that also Daniel Jones thing where you hear about his supporting cast. But I think two things can be true. I think the Auburn offense could have been bad stood him was also bad the same thing for Daniel Jones. His supporting cast could be terrible. And it was, but he was also bad in addition to that. So when I looked at the on target percentages per sports info solutions for all of these quarterbacks student came out as the worst among the fourteen quarterbacks. I looked at an accuracy from one to ten yards. He was pretty good in eleven to twenty. And then was also terrible. Twenty one yards and deeper. Dana Jones is interesting, and we're probably going to have to talk about him later in the week because he might be giant the so we don't need to get too far into him. But a lot of what you hear about him is how good he can be in India. Sure. Short quick dam, which is fine. And that's true. He was a really pretty highly inaccuracy there put he was one of the worst inaccuracy from eleven to twenty yards that intermediate range, and he was also bad in accuracy. Twenty one yards down the field where further and you hear a lot about how so much of the NFL is in that short area. In like, seventy percent of throws happen within ten yards of blonde scrimmage, and that is true. But so much of the value happens past ten yards past the line of scrimmage to. Well, the most of the volume happens in the short game the value really happens past that. So you need to be good in both places. So with Jones, I just don't see the upside. And that's why I still think of him as like this mid around developmental prospect that I don't think has the upside of potential starter. And I think that's kind of where we are. That's where we'd been on Jones for quite a while. That's still. Through all of this evaluation. I think the more I've dug into the more I feel about that. So that's where we are here. Let's dive into running back real quick, which since this is a giants focused podcast. We don't have to spend too much time on because it is the draft. And we need to get a sense of all of these players in their values. But we'll go over our top tens and really not talk about running backs much at all. Although it could be interesting because looking at our tens they do differ a little bit. But I'll go through my tangible quick Daryl Henderson running back at of Memphis as my running back one. I think that is very different to of a lot of running backboards, but I like him a lot. He has good vision. Good burst. Can catch the ball. Also, which is good, and trivial Williams is number two. Just Jacobs is running back three Justice hill. Oklahoma state is four mile Sanders at Penn State is five. Benny Snell out of Kentucky is six single Terry. Of a U is seven divine zig. Bow out of Nebraska is eight the miles Gaskin for Washington is nine and James Williams at a Washington state for me is running back ten. I actually can't argue with having Darrell Henderson high on your word. I believe I have him as my RB four. My top five are Josh Jacobs out of Alabama mile Sanders at Penn State, Devon single -tary out of FAU. Daryl Henderson and then Justice hill at of Oklahoma state. Like, you said this is giants focused five guest. We are trying to do these this big board from the giants point of view. So if the giants drifting away running back it should be late in the draft. And most of these top guys shouldn't be in consideration. I actually my two favorite running backs in this class are single Terry. Daryl Henderson, just because they both are just absolute pinballs. Both of them are almost impossible to bring down they squirt through holes. They shouldn't be able to get through. They bounce off tacklers left right and center, and they're just a lot of fun to watch. I have mile Sanders injustice hill up pretty high. Because I believe they both have just the physical traits to be. Good productive pretty much every down runners in the NFL. This is not an ethnic running back class. But those two are probably the two best athletes in the class. Then my bottom five or Damian Harris from Alabama David Montgomery, who I could I wouldn't hate higher because his contact balance is just off the charts. Rodney Anderson Avoca Homa leisha Holyfield out of Georgia. And then finally finally Benny Snell out of Kentucky, I mostly just focused on guys who if they're not going to be well rounded running backs at least give you one thing and with Montgomery deaths contact balance with Holyfield in Snell. That's just their ability to punch at defense. They are very violent runners. So that's pretty much where I am with my running back board. Yeah. That makes sense. I think I focused more on contributions in the past game which few have heard talk about offense at all. Should not surprise you. I think the interesting year is of our ten I think we have for each that are not on each other's boards. My running back to Trayvon Williams is not in your top ten. So I think that's just kind of interesting to go forward. But again running back not really position of interest for the giants, which is what most of you are listening for. So what's move to a position debt might be of some interest that is wide receiver. So I'll run down my top ten Akeem Butler is wide receiver one decay Metcalf at two JJ are Sega Whiteside from Stanford at three Emmanuel hall from zuri at four marquees Brown from Oklahoma five AJ Brown from old miss at six. Andy is a Bill of UMass at seven Nikki. He'll Harry from Arizona state at eight Terry MC Warren from Ohio State at nine and Gary Jennings from West Virginia at ten Chris. Why let's let's dig into us. Yeah. My top five decay Metcalf at one and kill Harry to AJ Brown. Three JJ or Siga Whiteside or and Hakeem Butler five I mostly have keen Butler down that are because of just the consistency of his hands. Which is also a problem with UK Metcalf. But he is just he is just a rare athlete and those guys get drafted highly kill, Harry, he is interesting to me because his yards after catch ability just seems to come out of nowhere. You know, he's very strong. He has great balance and greet vision. So I could see offense especially in offense. Like the giants drafting him and then trying to get creative with him in the short intermediate. Yuck. Game eighty Brown. He is just a good all around receiver to me, and we both like JJ Ortega Whiteside. Yeah. I'm happy. Rebirth. Have him in in the top top four technically glad neither one of us are overthinking decay Metcalf. He is a physical freak. I don't really care about his three Cohen, and whether he can bend or not he can win where it matters that is downfield on he can moss moss TV's, he's going to be an explosive downfield receiver, and then you can work off that you can have the comeback. You can have the curls. Those are fine. He doesn't need to be running intricate routes if he's gigantic and running a four three. Obviously he can develop that and that can come. But if it doesn't he still going to be a very useful wide receiver. And there's the players who were like that. Like he had a better three Coen than Steve Smith Carolina, Steve Smith, not New York Giants Steve Smith. But I think we think it was seeing Smith as as a pretty all around decorative wide receiver. No one thought he can't bend in run. Of course, he's is more compacted ground than than decay. Bet Kathy's decay Metcalf is going to be very good. I also I don't really worry about his hands or his drops. I think if he's targeted enough the big plays of going to come. I think the same thing about Hickey Butler. I believe the same thing about Emmanuel hall. That's why I'm so high on him and not a bunch of other people or he does have some drop issues. But I think he wins so easily down the field, and you could also win in the short intermediate areas. I think he brings enough value. He's number one in this class in target yards. Added which of course, is how much overseer adds to an offense compared to win a quarterback throws to anyone else on the offense almost seven and a half yards difference between win Missouri through to Emmanuel hall per target. And when they threw to everyone else that is insane. So just because of that production. He he's up there for me just moving onto my my second five I have deebo Samuel from South Carolina Kelvin Harmon from NC state marquees Brown from Oklahoma, India's Abella from UMass and Paris Campbell from Ohio State DO Samuel. I've been pretty consistently high on him throughout the process. I just love his ability to win every level of the field, and you wouldn't expect from a receiver his height, but he dominates in the red zone. He has that ability to just separate at will and win at the catch point. And. Then almost like Victor Cruz when he catches the ball. Then the play starts Kelvin Harmon. I just love again, his body control strong hands and ability to win at the catch. When he almost reminds me of a slower new cop-killer with just the way he is able to the ball out of the air and make circus catches murky. Brown would absolutely be higher for me. If it weren't for the list Frank injury. I just wanna see how how well he recovers from that because his quickness explosion and speed are everything for his game. If he's able to get right and be the player we have seen. He shoots up boards, and he's going to steal if somebody gets him, even I think maybe even in the middle of the second round, Andy Isabela, he's another guy. I think we are both high on. It's just you can't say he's a slot Justice lot receiver just. Session receiver because he is legit track star. He can burn you down the field. Yeah. He won a lot on the outside and you mass. And I think a lot of people see his size and think that he is a slot. But the these not I think I don't wanna say he is Brandin cooks. But in the way that Brandin cooks is not a slot receiver and Isabela is not just a slot receiver. No and just because he's a white receiver. You can't go around just comparing him to add Ataman or kkob or what pretty much most of knowing the New England Patriots slot receivers over the last ten years. He is really dynamic athlete, and he will probably wind up surprising people. Once he gets onto the field in the NFL and Paris Campbell. To me is just another one of these dynamic athletes who can really win after the catch. Sought all the time at Ohio State. Get him the ball with a little bit of space, and he is going to break angles and pick up chunk yardage so Perez Campbell is interesting to me because he will you said he's good after the catch. He's exclusively after the catch. His never death of target was a think four point five is what sports Pollution's had him. So he was getting the ball within five yards of the line of scrimmage almost all the time and had to run he wasn't as to run deep. The very often the percentage of his route that went further than fifteen yards down. The field was thirty two point three percent. Which was the lowest Inish draft glass. A that is kind of insane. So one of the reasons that don't have him in my top ten is because he's so much of a projection to a to the NFL and running actual routes when we talk about someone like decay Metcalf. You can't run routes. He wins down the feel of Peres Campbell wasn't really. We asked to at all. That's why I have Terry. Mclaren ahead of him the other Ohio State wide receiver who didn't get nearly the amount of talk during the season. He has a widow bit. Now, the in the in the project process, he had a great senior bowl showing. And he's he's gotten some hype afterward, but he was much more of the downfield receiver and just for me. And I think looking at the giants offense unless they are going to completely yards after the catch this thing they do need someone who's going to be able to get down the field. Which is why I have the chlorine ahead of Campbell Campbell is just such a projection of what is going to be able to translate from what he was asked to do in college the NFL. Yeah. And I absolutely get that. But I'm also not convinced. The giants aren't going to try to completely act this offense. Yeah. It's totally possible everybody. I'm Neil Patel editor and chief the verge and this is the verge cast. I is the flagship podcast of the verge every week. We cover the latest news and reviews we took a critical look at what is going on now. And next in the world tech show hosted by me, our executive editor debone, not your friend and Paul Miller. It just feels like there's something wrong with all computers, though. Don't you think that sometimes we do that on Fridays and on Tuesdays interview episode IV in talking to all kinds of influential people in around the world attack. We talked to Microsoft founder Bill Gates about his philanthropic efforts. You can design systems without having to reveal any individuals strategic your medical record journalists academics. Lena Khan who thinks that we should be doing way more to break up giant companies like Amazon Facebook in hindsight. Allowing casebook to buy up. 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Smith from Stanford is my number seven foster Moreau from LSU is my number eight Josh Oliver from San Jose State is my number nine and drew sample for Washington is my tight end ten a Chris. Let's get to yours. Okay. Top three are identical again TJ Hodkinson one no offense to I actually I have them pretty close together. And I think it will just come down to who's picking when Hodgkinson's. Size and blocking abilities, set Tim apart. And he is a more. He at least he was a more effective receiver at Iowa. But I think there will be teams that could view no fantasy a better receiving option. But just moving on herb Smith number three that I have Jay stern burger for Trayvon west. Go five Josh Oliver six Dawson knocks at seven foster Moreau at eight Dax Raymond at nine and Isaac NADA at Georgia at ten. So I think the biggest differences between our two wards happen at the bottom five, and I'd say in particular, I've got knocks Moreau and Raymond at seven eight nine I have them there because I think all three of them are fairly similar prospects in that they're they tested out as very athletic for the position. But they're also fairly underdeveloped. It Dawson not is basically. Giant lump of clay at the tight end position. There is a great tight end in there somewhere. It will be up to the team that drafts him to basically mold him into that. But he has all the tools. He's already good blocker good enough. And he has experienced lining up all over the offense of formation. Ole miss used him out at wide receiver. They used him at slot. They use them in line at tight end. They used him out of the backfield is h back. So he's got that experience. He was just a complete afterthought for them yet the where we differ here. And I think the the biggest difference is I have Caleb Wilson as my tight end for you. Do not have them in your top Ted. I think I'd just like his a super good athlete, and he was a very effective at pass catcher. And I liked that projection going forward can get SIS no receiver whether wide receiver tight end had more targets on deep crossing routes than Caleb Wilson date at UCLA last year. He had nine targets which led all all MTA receivers at eight catchable targets, Abe, receptions, one hundred eighty six yards and a touchdown. So when you have someone like that who can win down the field in that area. He's someone I am going to be very high on. And then I think when we get down to the bottom. It's just a little bit of a difference. I think I like cadence myth as possible all around type of guy, and I think drew sample is kind of the same guys who can be blockers can also win too. I think we just have a little bit of a difference on who we value in those areas. But I think we're basically looking at the same things. Yeah. I think so I don't think it's impossible that the giants draft tight end early. But if they don't if they don't want to really move on from red Ellison. I think you maybe one of those fourth round draft picks get a guy who can either push Scott Simonsen or ultimately take over for Ellison in a year or so. Yeah, I think a lot of people have seen my Democtrats that had the giants teach at Hopkinton six that's not necessarily something. I would say they should do. But it was more of just thinking a little outside the box of what they can do. And throwing. From twelve personnel is good. Which is when two tight ends on our on the field because defenses act like that is a run formation. They keep world linebackers on the field. When you have two tight ends who can catch which the giants would have in Haagensen and Ingram, or if you don't have to go to that extreme say a Caleb Wilson and Ingram that you have to tight ends. You can catch you're getting mismatches and throwing from twelve personnel is basically like using play action because the defense ready expects the run. And that's when passing is the best is when the defense thinks you are going to run. So I would not be opposed to drafting a tight end somewhere in those mid rowan's and beefing up the ability to pass out of twelve personnel. So let's on here and go to authentic attack all run down by ten underdo it at Washington state, my authentic tackle one Juwan Taylor from Florida is tackle to Jona Williams from. Obama is tackled. Three Dalton Risne r- at of Kansas state is tackle four Cody Ford from Oklahoma is five of mcgarry from Washington is tackle six next Scharping from northern Illinois is tackle seven for me. Yanni juiced from West Virginia is tackle eight. Greg little from ole miss is tackle nine and Bobby Eddin's is tackled. Ten four me. And Chris what is your Ted? Okay. So I have join Williams from Alabama one. John Taylor, Florida to under a Dillard from Washington state three Cody Ford from Oklahoma four Dalton reisner K state at five David Edwards from Wisconsin at six Yanni could use from West Virginia seven Michael Dider from Wisconsin at eight kill mcgarry from Washington at nine and Ali auto from. Ilan at ten. Our top three are the same. Really? We just have Williams in Dillard flipped. I went with Williams. Just because he is just a technician. And I think he could be he could just have a little bit smoother transition to the NFL not coming from that Mike Leach offense where it was just quick sets rarely asked to do anything. Like, a kick slide never had his hand in the ground that sort of thing Dillard will probably be a better pass protector, especially once he gets used to playing in. NFL scheme, but just for now Williams feels a little bit safer, and, you know, also, obviously important John Williams has longer arms. Yes. That is one thing. I'm not worried about the r-maine with with Joan Williams. I that is something people have talked about of why he should be moved to guard. And I get I. Man, three eight seven inch. It's insane. I get liking Jody Williams technique. I think one thing with Dillard and being at Washington state is to how often he did pass. Protect and he was so good pass protecting and a lot of those were some short throws on. But per sports solutions a blown block rate on passes of zero point four four percent. Which is the best of this offense of lime class. He was also a great athlete the testing of incredible at the combine number one in this class of ninety six point nine percent. So basically, the ninety seventh percentile of athleticism among authentic tackles per spark. So when you take at lettuces helmet you reps. He got in the past game. I am confident. He's going to be able to figure out the other nuances of a little more complex pass blocking and run blocking which was still good. At just didn't do it as often because Washington state passed a whole bunch. But if you are good it my philosophy. If you are really good moving backwards and setting yourself up in pass blocking your go into figure out run blocking more easily than I think if it were the other way around so that is one reason I like dealer a lot as my ofensive tackle one. But like we said we we have our top three are the same players. We just have them have one in three switch. But I don't think we're too big of a difference where we think it's crazy that one has one over the other where it is interesting is when we get to our back half we have three players each who aren't on each other's boards. But what is interesting is as we moved to guard in a little bit too of the guys who are on your board who I do not have in my tan, I do have in my top ten as guards. So we'll get to that. I think one person I do want to talk about a little bit is next Scharping out of north. Illinois. He's pretty good mid round guy that I think could be value in could be a pretty good starter in the mock draft. I put on bigly view dot com. I think I took him in the fourth round. And I think that's a potential starter. He was at least a little above average of among this class impasse balking. He was a one of the best run blockers in this class. So when you put that together, he has a decent athleticism using full profile from the combine. But everything he did test in was above average. So I kind of like how projects and I think the one good thing for the giants wasn't great last year. But it's been good going forward is they were so bad at right tackle like so bad between the failed. Eric fouls experiment, and it's been so we need to remember the giants thought Eric flowers was going to be passable enough. Right. Tackle at the beginning of the season that didn't last very long. And then Chad we were. Came in. And mean, he's on drafted guy. So he shouldn't have been expected to produce at a high level. But the giants didn't really have any other options. So they were so bad at that position. All they have to do is be even below average. It will be an upgrade. But if they shoot for just an average right tackle that'll be a massive upgrade at that position. Oh, definitely not to relitigate the whole Eric flowers thing. He's not a giant anymore. I think you could argue they never even gave that experiment a chance to get off the ground. They benched him after the second game. So two games is not enough time for someone to switch from left tackle the right? Tackle it just isn't. But anyway, moving on you mentioned the guys that we've you their position differently. I think the biggest one is Michael Dider out of Wisconsin. I actually view him as a five to a player. I think he could probably play and have started up side at pretty much anywhere on the offense of line. I think he could play tackle. I I think you could play guard. I think he could probably play at center. So I just list him at tackle. Because that is where the value is the highest. I actually think Cody Ford could probably play both guard and tackle at a high enough level to draft him either in the first round of very early in the second. So. So those guys I I have I actually have them at both places on my board the other guy, you don't have is David Edwards who I have just liked for awhile. He's he still figuring out the offensive tackle position. He still kind of owning his body after coming to Wisconsin as a quarterback turned tight end. So he's had to add a lot of weight, and he's just very still new to the position. So I think his era was pointed up. Yeah. That makes sense. I just I tap into like, you know, guys like like Scharping end less two guys. Greg little by the Evans, I do like them at a little bit. I mean little is someone who has been a puzzle. We talked about as a first round guy. Obviously do not like him there as my tackle nine the. But I think he does have a little bit. And he has does have the technique the lettuce not crazy about. But if. I would have as a down in tackled nine. So let's move on to a guard where I do have two of the guys you talked about so rundown by top ten here. Chris Lynch from Boston College is is number one Garrett bradberry. The center from North Carolina State is my interior offensive line two and will know this interior offensive line. So guards and centers are here. Eric McCoy from Texas AM is a center of is my interiors three than Elton Jagan from Mississippi State is four. There's Michael dealer is my interior five of Nate Davis from Charlotte is my interior six that Michael Jordan from Ohio State is number seven boat bench oil from a Wisconsin is number eight Connor McGovern from Penn State is number nine. And then this is where I have all Yudo. He was your tackle ten. He is my guard ten. From ilan. Okay. And so for mind, again, our top three are basically the same. I have geared bradberry center from NC state than Chris Lidstrom guard from Boston College Eric McCoy the center from Texas am now where we differ. I have Druce Amiya who is not on your board the guard from Oklahoma than Elton Jenkins center from Mississippi State. Ben powers guard from Oklahoma Khanna McGovern from Penn State. Bo bench hall from Wisconsin. Ross Pierce Bacher who is non you're board. He is the guard from Alabama. I have Phil Haines the guard from Wake Forest, so yeah, our our top three is basically the same. I have bradberry a little bit higher because I think Senator is just a little bit more valuable than guard. Although I also do believe Lynch from could. Probably play center and do a good job at it. Eric McCoy, he's the guy we both like I think he's a good well rounded center, you can do pretty much everything you want. I do like gruesome Lia, he's very experienced. He's started. I think just about every game for four seasons at Oklahoma. He moves well, he really explodes off the ball. He can go backwards and pass protection. You can set a pocket. He just does it all than Jenkins again. He's a good center. He's more power based than I McCoy bradberry. Ben powers, again, a really experienced guard. I don't think he quite has the athleticism that a lot of the other guys do but. He's strong and he's stabby without how he uses what he has. We both have McGovern eventual. Pierce bacher? I like him for the same reason. I liked powers and Phil Haines guy. I have been high on for. I think a while. Now, I probably wouldn't take him before the third day in the draft. But he if he's there in the fourth round out have hard time, not taking them and that's with Kevin Zeitler on the roster. Hanes just moves people. And he he moves really well for a big guard as well. So he just strikes me as. And under the radar pick that could wind up being a good starter. Yeah. It makes sense. The giants. Let's it's center. Probably not going to look at these guys early which kind of pains me 'cause hike crystal Instrum, a loyal. Yes. He is very good zero percent bone block rate against the past last year. Sports info solutions, he was also one of the most athletic authentic alignment at the combine and ninety six percent tile per spark. So the way he moves the way he can block very good. So he's clearly my interior one. Yeah. And then as you move down. There's there's some guys I I do like what you said Dida has the ability to play everywhere. And I think someone who will say if there's someone who can handle tackle to what him try at tackle first before you move him to guard. But I do just like some tackle prospects better at tackle. Which is why I have deeter. Here's also why have Yudo here was a good tackle. At EON, but then has been playing more tackle he was asked to move at the shrine game. 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AP Laboratory - Throwbacks, running backs and trade-backs (Ep. 140)

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AP Laboratory - Throwbacks, running backs and trade-backs (Ep. 140)

"Everybody thanks for joining us today. Wanted this is the eighty laboratory We have a lot to cover today. we're going to get right to it here to help me talk about a variety of things find him on twitter at cheap and Carolina Mattie Lane. Hello my friend. How are you this evening? I'm doing good. We're moving on from the from the superstar aspect thing that we've had going on here. We have grown accustomed to your stardom. So we're just getting by. This is a very businesslike podcast today. No Shenanigans don't tomfoolery straight into the point Craig style find him on twitter at Barley hops. He means business the mustaches. Looking good how you doing tonight. May My face hurts already. We are just now. Starting this my face hurts from laughing too much. This is going to be funded episode. We we. I wonder if some of the things that have been discussed in the last forty five minutes wind up on the show and I hope there's an organic place dropping some of our running conversation. We'll see we'll see just a quick announcement I wanNA make sure we get this out there to everybody be. If you've purchased the Casey draft guide. We have a download available with new quotes about what it would be like to be achieved from prospects. So we've added a few more. We've added some for Christian. Golden Jeff Glad knee among others. So you have if you've purchased the KC draft guide. You have an email that was sent to you from gum road to download the new version. So it's available to you. Check your emails. Just want to make sure the we got that out there for you guys in. Also if you haven't purchased the Casey draft you still can. I don't tell you what we'll we'll sneak a little promo code on here. Promo Code L. I. V. Live Really Been Advertising the last couple of weeks you can get it for eight dollars and fifty four cents. Dozens of prosper quotes from prospects. On what would be like to be achieved and we just added a few two hundred twenty five write ups three hundred pages about the chiefs draft so feel free to check that bad boy out and gum dot co slash. Casey draft guide. Twenty twenty. Promo Code Live. We'll get eight fifty four okay. So here's a we got a couple of things we're going to do. We're going to talk a little about the drafts. Some of the stuff. That's happened some news. That's out there about the draft. Recently but one of the things that happening espy nation. This week is talking about the best teams to not win the Super Bowl and so we thought we would kind of just jumping in and and participate. So we're all GONNA list out the best cheese jeff best chiefs team to not win a super bowl oldest goes first craig what you think. Yeah I we decided to stick with stuff. That's in our lifetime. I remember. Nineteen ninety-three That was Joe. Montana's first year with the chiefs. Marcus Allen joined the chiefs Christian Corey actually blew out. Had An injury in the preseason. So they kind of put some stuff together. They're drafted will shield and then made the AFC championship game. That was very very good. Football team. Joe Montana was hurt off and on throughout the year and he actually had a concussion in the third quarter of the AFC championship game. Dave Craig come in and lead a big ninety yard scoring drive there to kind of cut the deficit again late in the game. It was thirteen to twenty at that point. Joe Montana threw an interception right before halftime on the five yard. Lines should have been even closer but the bills that same bill team that kept going to the Super Bowl didn't win. You know they were able to put the game away but that was a really really good football team. There's a lot of hall of famers on that football team very very good players. Unlike most the chiefs ring of honour is littered with players from the nineteen ninety-three season. That's one of the very best teams to never win a super bowl in my lifetime for the chiefs. Craig held were you. I was Is Ten in one thousand nine hundred? You are a promise you I promise you that that is a real thing and not a bit older than I am. So matty what you got a little poor recent. I was in fact. Thirteen this down. I guess technically thirteen the two thousand three Kansas City chiefs. I think everybody remembers Dick for meal years. We asked Trick Green. We have the best offensive line this ever graced the NFL. We can run the ball on anybody with priest. Holmes this even young Larry Johnson before he was really helping the team out a ton or anything like that. You Dare Clock Lockwood Priest Holmes receivers were good enough Johnny Morton at doubt they all actually got some UCLA. Tony Gonzalez prime like this team was ready to go offense Wli. They ran into the bus all known as Peyton manning the play offs and despite starting secondary combined for seventeen intersections that year they could not force. A single punt added the Indianapolis Colts as they lost in the playoffs. In the shootout to peyton manning up the pass rush through the steam in linebacker. Play was atrocious. Like dance a big bodies upfront. But nobody can generate As Rush I think that ended up. Big they're doing but the two thousand three team like they were primed to go on a deep run like they decided to just had to give the colts and they lost that shootout because they coat force one single. Stop the bigheaded headed read. More Goethe's forehead peyton manning his tiny little legs and they could not stop panel. One Time I. I almost used all of my Christmas money to buy two tickets to that playoff game. I don't know how you wouldn't have looking at the team. I don't know how you wouldn't have I. Yeah but I'm I'm kind of glad I did. It would have been there. We're going we're going in chronological order and you don't have to look too far for me. Two Thousand Nineteen. I hate this Patrick. Mahomes bursts onto the scene and changes the game of football as we know it fifty touchdowns five thousand yards passing sets the world on fire and then they. They break the curse against the colts. The the team that's caused them so much angst in their in their first playoff game in the divisional rounds and then a furious comeback against the New England patriots. Who Slow Patrick Mahomes down for? You know for fifteen thirty minutes of football comes up short because Ford lines offsides cheese weird like I'M GONNA lie. I'M NOT GONNA lie. We're like a little bit insufferable right now because we have mahomes imagine how insufferable we would be if this team had just repeated imagine how insufferable we would have been if Patrick von Mahomes had went out and done everything he did last year and won a super bowl last year was super bowl. Probably not but I actually I think they would have beat the Rams. I really do I. One hundred percent. Think they would've beat the ramps totally agree have for sure. They just would not be repeating a glass here. I think we answered that question this week. On the that's a good point. They saw the super bowl. So I I think that's a very good choice especially the way the. Nfl has gone last year's team actually being able to throw the ball like the trade. The two thousand eight playoffs farewell or the nineteen ninety three team the last team to war with these other two teams you shows. I got the best team yet. Yeah that's true I was. I was going to give you the option to talk about two thousand and three or two thousand nineteen but you were so late to the party and I. I was just like you notice that they were like yeah. We'll let the old guy choose the old team. Yeah we yeah we yeah. We knew that was going to happen. And I vaguely remember like I. I was four during the nineteen ninety-three season. I'm pretty sure I remember bits and pieces of ninety four though. I'm pretty sure that was ninety four. The colts loss in the playoffs Yes I believe that to be the case unless I'm yes off a couple years. I believe that to be the I think that was the year. Okay so I remember that one and I. Yeah I remember vaguely later. No I think it was ninety. I think it was ninety four with the playoffs starting in ninety five. Maybe I'm not sure I don't know but I remember that era. We need to this. This tantalizing podcasting. That were happening right. And we're all thinking second guessing ourselves and asking questions. It was the first year second. Guess myself a single time on this. Podcast can't ever okay. We're GONNA talk about the draft now and one of the things I want. Want to talk about today. Is the running backs and the potential for the cheese to take a running back in the first route? Here's the problem I'm having right now. You can not escape the chiefs being mocked a running back in the first round Mel kiper running back in the first round Bucky Brooks running back in the first round up to Bucky. Everybody would take running back in the first true Matt Miller our POW Matt Miller. He's talking about how the chiefs might be look into drew. Grab a running back early to continue to to build on this offense. Maybe it's a trade back. Maybe it's not but all I know is guys. It seems like running back kind of on the table a little bit for this team in the first round. And I'm going to be honest with you. If we get to the end of Thursday night and the chiefs make a pick. They actually make the pick and at pick thirty two. It's running back out of Georgia De'andre Swift. I liked the Andrea Swift. I think he's a good football player if they take him at pick. Thirty to the PODCAST is going to be lit. And it's not just the Andrea Swift. It's pretty much any running back at thirty two like I'M GONNA rationalize it like a week later. But the initial shock of knowing like de'andre swift can't play. Cornerback I reassure he might. But they're not drafting into the audrey swift he. He's not big enough to play. We'LL LINEBACKER for Steve SPAGNOLO. I'm terrified that we're going to get all the weight and this all this work. Three hundred page draft guide. They take a running back in the first round Mattie. I don't know what I'd do with myself. What if the first round running back was Louis Gestalt? Oh well you. Maybe there's more risk there so unfortunately this isn't what kids talking about here is this isn't just like and. I don't WANNA say random. I don't mean it in a derogatory way like these people are very good at what they do. But this isn't just keep on. The Internet are running websites just kind of mocking up stuff that makes sense to them or putting in research mocking stuff that makes sense. Some of these marks were talking about bay heavy hitters guys that make mock draft based on their contacts teams. That's the only reason it's Kinda getting this huge day. Right now is because you've got Jeremiah's Bucky Brooks Matt Miller's Melkite or like these guys all have running back to the cheese and while it's a common thing every year to put running back to the chiefs. I don't think it's ever been this common all at once. It's this exact version that started this week for all. These guys just process yet. This is this isn't just like myself on Arrowhead Pride. Here's a running back for the these are people that actually have contacts the NFL dinner putting this out there which is worth paying attention to is much as I. This is the concepts. I think it makes a lot of sense in for a team that is trying to quote unquote They're trying to running back. They're trying to be the same thing I do. Think running back is one position that might give the most instant impact the most instant improvement over the team from last year. So you have a team that basically stay the same. Maybe got a tiny bit worse by losing kindle fuller by losing Liz Newsy Matt Having Reggie Ragland you can make it a little bit better the easiest by taking running back at the end of the first round. I give the logic way. The chiefs played out their off-season. I just absolutely can't stand the plan. If that's the case it picked thirty two you're probably looking to take the best player available and chances are good. Best Player available will pick thirty two. It's going to be running back this year. Quite simply there. I know we talk a lot about some of these fourth fifth corners. Maybe Zach bond or somebody like that is it. We really liked the guys that we think fit the chiefs well but a running back might be the most talented player on the board. In that regard the chiefs are legitimately going to take a player available. Not only does that running back help improve things for the offense. It just kind of opens everything up. We've seen some very specific game plans for Damien Williams. We've seen some very specific game plans for Daryl Williams Darwin Thompson Shady McCoy. If you have somebody that can do everything that this running back by committee can do all of a sudden. Maybe it makes your offense a little more unpredictable. Maybe it makes your Andy Reid a little more comfortable in his play calling who knows what the case may be. I again do not WANNA running back in round one period. I I hate that idea. I think there are so many other positions that need to be addressed particularly on my defense but Craig's defense my defense but I think that the more and more this is picking up you have to start thinking about what that would look like for the chiefs. What sort of impact that would make and the talent level that you could put on the team with the guys that are there and if you count align all that up on fortunately it does make a little bit of sense. Even though Andy Reid maximus running backs everything like that of hurdle that argument and I agree with it but there is some logic there one of the things I can take solace in with this whole thing though is not necessarily a consensus about which running back. They're going to take which makes me feel like a little bit. Better about maybe. Maybe it's just this makes sense. I need to get running back in the first round. Let's just throw a name out there because there's not like a name title. Jk Dobbins for bucky books and De'andre Swift. For Milk Hyper are Miller. He's talking about Clyde Edwards. I would tend to lead climate. Where if I was the chiefs if if it is running back I'd take Clyde Edwards. Larry I think I think he's the best fit the perfect fit for the chiefs running back aid. We'll take a break and we're GONNA talk about trade backs right after this. Okay so we just got done talking about the running back position. And I don't think these things are mutually exclusive of each other but there is also a lot of buzz about trading back. Potentially you know you're starting to see that a little bit more like some of the caveats are the jeeze if they're gonNA pick here. It's running back or you know. I think there's I think there's some buzz out there that might be in a position to trade back and actually I think if the chiefs traded back maybe maybe running back maybe. They kick off their draft with running back in the second round and that would actually be a little bit more appealing and appetizing to me than taking running back at thirty two. Not that I feel good about it. But maybe that'd make me a little bit better at least because they'd get another asset. I don't know if I hate the idea of them trading back with regardless of what position they take. I don't know if I hate the idea of them. Trading Back Greg. And we've talked about this a little bit. But it definitely makes sense for the chiefs to trade it back in an asset strapped draft where they probably need to add several contributors not necessarily four this year but for the future they need bodies going into two thousand twenty and twenty twenty one and beyond they need to add some talent to some brooms. And frankly there's just not a whole lot of picks to be able to do it in the back every round so being able to trade back maybe early up into the second there and they pick up a fourth round draft pick you know or you know creep up towards that. Pick one hundred kind of range. We've talked about many talks about it all the time date early day. Three picks are valuable still because everybody goes home. Everybody gets a kind of reset their boards. And if you've got another early day three pick right there at the top of the fourth round you can kind of say. Oh man okay. That guy fell to us. We're going to go ahead and make that pick now there's some actual talent that's here you know. Make some moves there. I don't think that's a bad strategy for a team that needs to add some bodies several positions. So yes I'm there. I would prefer to trade back if they don't like you know the sort of defensive options that are there or if they frankly want to add more two more rooms for the track especially if it's at the expense of not drafting a running back. I think it's the right move almost regardless. I think there's a chance of there being only one or two players of the same tier or like in the same bucket. Thirty two is very slim. Most likely you're gonNA miss out on the second tier of players at thirty two. You're going to be looking at the top. You're going to have a good five to ten names of guys that are all ranked pretty equally available. What thirty two just quickly glancing over board? And you won't have to make that choice and you're sitting here with only five six all at the end of rounds and you didn't really add any new starters this year and you only have like twenty five players under contract to twenty twenty one. You're going to need draft assets. You can't expect a hit on one hundred percent of your drastic every single year. You're going to need few more swings because you are GonNa Miss One of your first two or three round. Pick just about every single season so you need more pixel chiefs trade back maybe the fifth highest rated guy out of that bucket even though all the guys are about the same. Rather take the guy at the top like. I do think that makes a lot of sense. I would still have a hard time. If you're trading back with the golden shape to take a running back like if you're set taking running back then I mean I get trade back to do it but I would really like to see them trade back. Take a player that closing more vital position in running back. Because I think if you're trading back it's because there's multiple guys of value available if you decided running back that's hard pill to swallow. I think it's easier pill for me to swallow and I'm not saying I advocate for it. Because I ve very obviously do. Not but you can. I'll feel a little bit better about it because okay let's say the trade back let's see they trade back to forty five ish. You're you're getting a third round pick included in that if you're moving all the way back that you're probably getting a third round pick unless you're getting future assets which I doubt I doubt that's in the plans I bet it's probably like it'd be like pick forty five and pick seventy five rush roughly so I'd make me feel a little better knowing that she's had a top seventy five. Pick to go and address other needs if they're going to take a running back anyway like if it's if that takes me from Clyde or John Taylor by running backs one to an I get forced into. Let's say Your Dad's a huge step for me so like if my goal is to take one of those running backs. I'd rather just take him at thirty two and like like I get the idea I would rather trade back and take my top running back to. It's just a risk reward game when you're already dealing with such a unimportant position running back I hate. It would be very scared of the idea to trade back than miss out. Guy Is take the next best out. Or maybe Clyde Johnson tailored go and you just move on to another position because you're bored which is two thumbs up. That's kind of like. Yeah that's kind of what I was thinking like. Maybe it's just like okay. We'RE GONNA move back to forty five. Clyde is hilarious there yet. Maybe WE'LL TAKE. He's in that pool that we're considering kind of thing but if not we're taking you know. Jeff GLADDEN BECAUSE JEFF. Cloudy might be there. Don't don't tip me with that if I if we take. Jeff glad near forty five geeked down on flip outlet like man. Okay Dan Dane Burglar is. I mean he is goaded this. I mean that's the name as the best his mark I believe had Jeff Glad Ni go and fifty four. See that. That's a steel. That's a steal for me but I if you can make that happen. That's fine. I just see you scenario like sitting around here last year. Talking about Byron Murphy. We're talking about Joe. One Williams Sean Murphy Bunting Rockiest Sin. All these guys that. Hey May- maybe you can pick up one of those guys near the end of the second round. Maybe you can pick up one of those guys late. All those guys are gone early in the second. Read you trade back to forty five. You miss out on it. Let's say you got running backs. You're targeting you miss out on Clyde you miss out on Jonathan Taylor know all the the courters to get you're gonNA miss out on the top linebackers then all of a sudden you're settling your your your settling for guy in that next tier down at frankly just made. If if the talents there take it. There's this team has avoided drafting in the first round for too many years. Now because Patrick Mahomes I'm not I'm not mad at it but adds talent to some rooms. Get get some to your talent. The last trade downside target I use a horizontal board. All you guys. That bought the draft guide. It's in there on the last page linked to it. I would never trade down more slots than I have. Players like valued at the highest positions left. So I have any early second round grades left and say there's only six guys I would never trade down more than six spots because the risk of losing all those early second round grades from trading back isn't worth it to pick up a pick in the seventies are a pick in the eighties for me. I would rather take more talented guy but you can back a couple of spots still guarantee yourself one of the players from that pool than by all means do it. Just cross your fingers running back if you if you trade if you trade back to the late thirties you're getting a pick or roughly about a top one hundred ten pick so you're getting pick it like one which the love that and I'm totally. I'm totally content with that because I still get a very good player at thirty eight. No DOUBT I. I still think you can get a good player. Forty-five especially if you have flexibility. It depends on if you have flexibility which I think the chiefs do. The cheese could go a lot of different directions in taking a BPA approach outshot just running back. I think there's going to be good players all the way into the forties. There's a couple draft scenarios and in conversations we WANNA have about the draft to and I think there's there's two lines of thinking that that could really you could tell us a lot about this football team. Honestly I think the first one is just playing in line with with Hashtag back draft builds around Hashtag running it back might look differently than something else. Craig. Yeah we've talked about this a little bit because most of the Times it were building mock draft talking about players. Were trying to kind of mix match a little bit so we talked about a little bit too very decidedly different lines of thinking. This is the first one if you're just looking for players to contribute in twenty twenty you're looking to fill the minimal holes that are there you've got running back safety linebacker. Interior offensive line. These are the spots that I think we can all identify. That could do with an upgrade if the chiefs decided that they were just going to add the best player each one of the picks in each one of these. You know sort amount wherever you can find the pockets there. You might see scenarios where the chiefs maybe taking a little less upside style players. A little higher floor style players trying to maximize this particular roster knowing that they're already one step ahead knowing that they're going to be able to do some stuff later on and be able to sort out the roster twenty twenty one when you get a little more cap room but specifically try and add the highest potential benefit in just this draft not really thinking about the future but adding it just for this draft so yeah in that regard. They went running back. It kind of makes sense safety that makes sense linebacker flexible for both as is interior offensive line but those are obviously positions that they can definitely target and when I think rounded backdraft kind of a thing about trying to improve the team this year does add that half the steph improvement so that you can still be better than last season to lose a couple kind of role pieces. I immediately think of running back like we kind of already talked about. Don't love it but I get the path to how that makes better football team for twenty twenty a safety he's the only one that really jumps into my head. Just because I think safety's especially guys that don't have a week playmaking ability. Don't go early address to often. So there's a chance you can get a football player. That is ready to step in and play football right away. It paid thirty two eighty minute take sixty three a walk thornhill. Kinda RANGE LAST YEAR. You get a safety it's ready to step in tribute right away in the chances from what? I've looked at seeing a lot of mock drafts or just how people right players the chances of a safety being able to step in right away at one of those spots is really high so running back safety can make the biggest impact right away in my opinion in interior all line I think after Caesar we's it's a big drop also get a chance to go for him. I think he makes you better right away. I think most is after him are probably an improvement. I just don't know how big of a step in linebacker. It's the same issue like linebacker position that usually takes a little bit the transition from college the NFL. A Lotta guys. Don't step on the. Nfl fields are going to be ready to go so it might be a slow burn but you kinda hope by the time the playoffs kick in your new linebackers ray to make a difference to me the first thing that jumps into my mind trying to get better they see your white. They've done all off season when the whole goal is just the same team as last year. Not Better not worse just the same team running back and safety make a lot of sense early. Yeah I mean I think all of those positions you guys listed out I mean sure it's it's a Hashtag backdraft like there's definitely there. You're plugging holes. You're you know you're making the you're you're you're you're you plug holes for for a team that has twenty or twenty starters returning but I'll think running back safety linebacker interiors ally. I also don't want to make it sound like it's completely for twenty twenty two. You still also are getting improvements in depth along twenty twenty one or four twenty. Twenty one and beyond. This team is going to need a linebacker next year and in two thousand twenty one. This team is going to need interior oftens of line next year and in two thousand twenty one running back. You don't need but idea why you would. I'm I'm taking more barbs at running back right now. Yeah and this makes a lot of sense because as we says Privy Change quarterbacks he does I think we're all coming around I mean it. Only he knows what it is. A case of. He doesn't quite sure what the position is. I mean he's this US on the corner. Quarter issue maybe the issue here. He doesn't spend money on corners and he doesn't invest assets every year we every year. I've done the two years I've covered. Brett veep straps cornerback has been like priority one for me and every year they cobble it together with you know two and a half million dollar contracts handed Bruins undrafted free agent six trumpets. It'll be interesting. I I do think my guess is they. They they spend a top one hundred. Pick on quarter. I do think that going to happen. This year There's another there's another line of thinking out there potentially and I still think it kind of makes sense with what they're doing with running back. They've got twenty of their twenty two starters. There's not a ton of holes but there's big decisions to be made down the road. They don't have a deal for Christians in place. They don't have a deal for Patrick Mahomes in place. Those two guys are GONNA cost money if they keep both of them. Even if they only keep Patrick mahomes they're still going to have to make a lot of tough decisions about this roster. So maybe maybe. Maddie well actually. You explained the bill for the future because this is the this is your sorry. I don't want to jump on anything because this is something you've talked a lot about. Been like I said I think if you look back at this chice off season right now. The the clear goal has been to bring back the majority of the two thousand eighteen team. I don't think it's a very difficult thing to say. That the chiefs a definitely bringing back ninety nine point nine percent of last your team you hope of development at better injury locked. The team is as good if not better. You didn't add any new pieces and get better like you didn't go out of your way to make there'd be more talent on your team your banking on this team. Be Justice good as it was last year which was a super bowl champion so maybe going into the draft thought processes to start to build in the twenty twenty one where you had a lot of contracts coming off the book you have a lot of very high. Valuable positions are under contract. You have a lot of holes this Ross. Twenty twenty one in a lot of them are valuable positions like while we already talked about linebacker and interior offensive line could be useful for the future. You also need some now this chat. Maybe it's going to be heavy on wide receiver because demarcus Robinson Sammy. Watkins are done after the season may get some corners because the shot briones on a one year deal taveras ward had a very good year. But he's still was just one year he's GonNa be. I believe a restricted free agent next year. So it's not like he's locked up long-term defensive tackle Mike panels on a one year deal. Derek nods the only proven to be very steady decides Chris Jones who's on the franchise tag. So you don't what's happening with him next year. You might need more guys up front and then finally I think this is the one that gets kind of the most is from fans offensive. Tackle Mitchell. Schwartz isn't young. He's not getting any younger. I think there was some rumblings about you know. Maybe he wasn't feeling great to start last year. He was a little sore. You know he's getting up there needs. This happens when offense attack was older. He's a big guy maybe he's wanting to call it quits. Maybe not maybe the cheese. WanNa save some money on Eric Fisher? Who costs a lot of money in almost cost him the super bowl because he couldn't block young both a single time in entire football game? Maybe they want to save some money and move on from them in two thousand twenty one draft young offense tackle. Any one of these positions likely doesn't help a ton this year. Besides maybe corner. But that's only if you spend an early pig. Do you give them a year to develop with this. Coaching staff. To develop their skills develop their game and be ready to start next year because the chiefs feel like their teams good enough to win a super bowl this year. If they didn't they would've action went out and signed a better football players and not just background guy so they feel like they're good enough to win the Super Bowl. Maybe they draft more for the future rather than trying to improve on a team that they already. Thanks Pretty. We could just call this the redshirt draft. Yeah just know that you can take a bunch of guys and none of them may see the field and they still may win the Damn Super Bowl. Anyway you know and man wouldn't that be nice. I would also add edge to this list. We haven't talked about much but you. That situation is a little bit up in the air for this year too. But they've got a couple. Starters definitely don't have guys opposite of Frank Clark going forward here so that's another position that I look for here. But yeah there's there's a case to be made to just basically take the twenty twenty draft and say you know what? Ali You guys are sitting and less midway through the year. We need some injury relief or anything like that. We are not planning major contribution out of anybody in this draft. Because we want you all to be here. We want you all to be performing at a high level on the same page. Twenty twenty one but we need you when all of these guys walk we get a bunch of complex because we're replacing them with draft picks and kit loves that. Yeah I I could see a situation where they are little more forward thinking and honestly wouldn't hate it. Here's the here's the thing about a build for the future. A HASHTAG redshirt draft on the way out of the HASHTAG. Whatever I like it so okay. Let's let's say like I talked about. You know you talk about building for the future. You can throw safety linebacker in there. They're not necessarily the same premium positions that. We're talking about here but what you can do is if you're if you're building for the future if you're looking at it as a redshirt year you have opened yourself up to have a better chance at landing a blue chip player because now the board is very open for you with six positions that you've potentially could take the best player on your board and it makes sense for your future so as an obviously even just because you're building for the future it doesn't necessarily have to be that that player can't contribute right away. But like Caesar Ruis. I still say I see I see. I see Caesar Louise in both of these lines of thinking even though he's an I o l even though he's an interior linemen I think he has a chance to be a blue chip interior offensive linemen. And he's he's like a brisket you sit in you set it and forget it. You never forget you you never need to worry about Caesar ways you know you just ten years adjust consistency but you open the board up. Conc- for your yourself significantly so now that you're you're in a position to just take value the entire draft almost because there's probably going to be a player at one of these positions and hopefully it's one of these high high profile positions like tackle wide. Receiver Corner obviously but even if it's linebacker even Patrick Queens there at thirty two. He felt he fits in both buckets. He fits in the running back bucket. He it's the building build for the future bucket. He still twenty years old. You have a chance to get a blue chip linebacker out of that. Even though linebacker made up his valuables under these positions. I think. You've got a lot of flexibility for the two thousand twenty draft which it makes it interesting. This thing could go several different ways and it's going to tell us a lot about what this football team thinks. And that's why it's legitimately one of the most. It's the most interesting draft I've been a part of. I think in the last few years the end of the day. I don't think that they're going to go. One hundred percent towards a running back or build for the future. I think it's very clearly going to be a little bit of a mix of both both like it might not be evident as every other bank. I think you're going to get a pretty even split. Like in the top. One hundred wherever the picks may fall whether it's only three picks whether it's for banks but I think you're going to end up with a relatively even split of guys ready to help right now in guys for the future not be surprised to come out of the strap with two very clear cut from day. One redshirt guys but also come away with a maybe a running back. Maybe interior offense lineman or safety. Just somebody that is going to be expected. Almost immediately be pencil in is a major contributor as well and like well. It doesn't sound like rare for that to happen. That's still the case. You don't often have your two extremes in the same draft cheese. Put ourselves into that position where I do think they wanna add one or two guys to help the team this year but I think the majority of the assets are gonNA go toward stealing those high volume physicians Tackle Wide Receiver Corner from twenty twenty one because again the contract situation. The Cap Space Does Not Look Great in twenty twenty one especially if you're getting mahomes back adding wide receiver to figuring out what you're GonNa do with Chris. Jones like they need to hit on a lot of draft picks or start to be able to spend some money and they don't have that much money available unless they're drafting twenty twenty one. I think regardless of what you do you have to get out of this draft with receiver and that's true strictly because of the value. It's just such good value. And if you're trading back here's the thing. I like about trading back if you trade back to forty two or thirty or whatever you pick one thirteen. Now you've got a little bit more flexibility to just to get insane value with one of your next three picks at receiver. Whatever you think is going to be the best value at receiver. If it's someone that you didn't think was going to be there at sixty three sixty three or ninety six or one thirteen. Take them take them. Because you're probably getting some fourth round picks in this year's draft receiver goes in the second round and drafts. I mean this isn't Kim Butler. Who went in the early Fourth Round last year? I mean we like to keep Butler. But you're getting a better player than Akeem Butler. Yes really fourth round this year. There's going to be good value and you got. If you've got more picks to play with you give yourself a chance to house some freedom to do that. And so that's one thing I think is part of the team. Trade back move is having an extra asset to play around with finding the best value at wide receiver. That you could get okay. That is going to do it. 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2018 Big 12 Autopsy Rulings

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2018 Big 12 Autopsy Rulings

"The. Welcome to the solid. Verbal. For me. I'm a man on forty. I've heard so many players they why wanna be happy you wanna be happy for day. Eight state. Untie? Welcome back to the soliver boys girls money, MS Ty, Hildebrand joining me has always over there and fatherly New York City. My man, Dan Rubenstein are. How are you? Just lowering the register usually I'd take it up going low. I like that big twelve after dark. That's right. That's right today. We're doing what big twelve twenty eighteen autopsy rulings. Correct. Yeah. So listen full disclosure is I just got off the horn with. I was about say Jake tapper which would would have been even better than a different kind of show. He his insights into Texas texts defensive improvements. Just remarkable the he knew nothing nothing at all. It was remarkable. But I kept pressing it now with with Jake Trotter from ESPN we've had him on before. He's obviously terrific has been covering college football for a while for SPN. As was at the Austin American statesman, so deep within big twelve country in believe the Oklahoma City area. So went through all of the teams with my my normal way of doing things of making him select number between one and ten and that's how he got into. Things for the most part, but a lot of quality and sites, but before we get to that tie. Yeah. When you look at the big twelve as it relates to how last season ended in I would say a relatively fund way, we had the West Virginia, Oklahoma bloodbath going back and forth. We had Texas surprising Georgia in a believe the sugarbowl and Oklahoma looking like garbage early against Alabama. But then coming on somewhat impressively for the duration as you look at twenty eighteen now going into now in the off season going into the twenty nineteen season. What are your general impressions? Whereas your brain with the big twelve while I think I am drawn first and foremost to the situation at Oklahoma with Jalen hurts. Yeah. Seemingly taking over for Kyle Murray. I'm interested in in the Cuyler Murray draft angle, I know that doesn't pertain to next season. But that's something of interest to me. I went reflects on Oklahoma and their future for sure. Oh god. Yeah. I'm very curious to see what the next chapter. Ter- of Lincoln Riley works like because I chapter we knew Baker Mayfield was a stud quarterback. And I think we at least some members of the broadcasting duo here had their suspicions that he might be working with another study in Cuyler Murray hurts is really good. I don't think he's as good nearly as good as either of those two guys. So how how Lincoln Riley manages that situation is interesting to me, Texas. I've been waiting for Texas to be officially back. I it's starting to feel like a fool's errand to sit here waiting for it. But I think Texas certainly this class that Tom Herman brought in was pretty good with really claim. I think Texas will be back quote unquote, back before Wong, and I'm curious to see if they can serve as that counterbalance to Oklahoma. Otherwise, though looking around the conference, we've got a new coach at West Virginia, which you know, your boy and you'll Brown coming from Troy, my guy, Iowa State, always plucky DEP. All I would say we talked about this before I think you are plucking sells Iowa State shorts. Oh, for sure they are full on good. I would agree j. Yeah. The Baylor situations. Interesting to me because I feel like they took a step forward. It could have been more of a step forward. Still shot themselves in the foot too much. Matt rule clearly guy in demand. So if he puts in another season where there is improvement on the field. I'm curious to see how long he stays in Waco. And then looking around the rest of the conference what we got a new coach K state. We got a new coach at Texas Tech. We got a new coach at Kansas. The only other two schools are TCU and Oklahoma state and both of them have to improve the season. I think they have to improve this coming season. I love when it works out, by the way, because you mentioned new coaches, I love when it works out that we get like a third of a conference having new coaches, it's high profile place. Like, yeah. Fell this year. It is we had it with the SEC last year with Florida Tennessee and Mississippi state's ole miss, although that was a little bit dicey or not as direct to situation. I do like when we end JIMBO, obviously at tech say n m I like when we have mass turnover, even though I don't love coaches losing their jobs. I love I love a good refresh tie reboot reboot. Yeah. So I look we're headed to a spot in the big twelve where I feel like again, it's probably Oklahoma at the top just given their depth of talent. But outside of Texas. I think probably being a clear second. It's it's wide open. It. I'd open the rest of the way. And generally speaking that makes four really tricky predictions. Yeah. I predict will be very wrong that is my prediction about predictions. No. I think you nailed a lot of it. I think it's the Texas Oklahoma at the top. But I don't think anything is as entrenched on that top tier as perhaps it has been with Oklahoma these past couple years, and certainly Jalen hurts has played in huge games has succeeded in a lot of big games. And. And has a dynamic adds dynamic to his to at least what Oklahoma does on offense that certainly he's bigger than Cuyler Murray is a better runner than either Cuyler Murray in terms of his size and what he's able to do in the open field than than Baker Mayfield or Cuyler Murray. So what does a predominantly ground based Oklahoma team? Look like, I think is fascinating Texas replaces a lot up front on both sides of the ball. I almost I won't say I forgot because that's not true. But I I didn't fully remember how good and fun Brock Purdy with Akeem Butler and David Montgomery were. I think they went six sad. They went six, and can I be honest. Can I fell as a something here as as you asked me, this was not planned the shows never never ever as we talk as I was talking through all the teams in the big twelve. I could not remember the name of the quarterback for Iowa State and I notice yes tremendous early season disrespect. Oh my God. I kept thinking Zab Nolan, and I knew that couldn't be right? Purdie like a Brock star is already know. It's it's the off season. We true college football. You're building a patio on the brain all sorts of stuff going on here at sellable leave Allie headquarters. Yeah. It does a bit of a disservice to Iowa State to call them plucky and particularly Brock Purdy who did pretty like a Brock star. All year was really good gave new life to that offense. And makes side the see his development because he was just a freshman, and this is all to say we've gone seven plus minutes without mentioning and pudding respect on the cheese it bowl champions TCU horn, frogs TCU horn, frogs, your TCU horn for always and forever. Always and forever. So I do think it's a fascinating conference. The conversation went quite well, we obviously talked about food. We talked a little McConnell. Hey, and a lot of big twelve football. I don't know if there's anything else you want to add before we get to it. But if there is this is when you should do so time that you mentioned McConnell. Hey, and I won't come back to McConnell. Hey, okay. Not until later on in the show. Okay. Fine. I'm with it. So on that note as Dan alluded Jake Trotter ESPN, talking all things big twelve these eighteen big. Conference. Autopsy really? And with that we or rather I am joined by Jake Trotter of the SPN a man who lives in big twelve country who knows big twelve country, and who is going to be able to answer the following question better than most will be able to. And that question is have you yet filed a foia requests for the official agenda and responsibilities of Matthew, mcconaughey as Texas as minister of culture. The question. I was not ready for that. No one food. Okay. All right. I had not filed a a an open records act for the details responsibility. The minister of culture, Mr. McConnell. Hey, but I would be interested to see you know, what this job in evolved into football season because it has been fascinating there in basketball. I is in him being like in the press box on the headset. Come September when the long on the field in the press box rather than field level. Yeah. I kinda see him more like an exit those guys at football. Like, he's more motivation in basketball. I think it's gonna translate to play calling responsibilities by the time. We get the full ceiling. See in my mind, I had the over under about three and a half of games. It will take for Matthew mcconaughey to run out onto the field to separate a fight to celebrate with a player. After a big sack like I think especially with Texas history with what was it Mack? Brown's son in law interfering with the play. I think everything's on the table for Matthew mcconaughey receiving a penalty during the twenty nineteen season. More like a straight cut like a pseudo strength. Yes. In other words. Okay. I can see that it's sort of a strength of mind coach at Makoni played a coach in a movie, by the way, he can thing our show, I need to get his I I I n b. I am db thing. But yeah, he was in. We are Marshall. That is correct. Yes, you're right. So yeah, has his the credit. He has the coaching cried he'd named to save penalty, basically qualified. All right. It's going off in Vegas at plus three. Fifty Matthew mcconaughey received some sort of conduct penalty during the twenty nineteen season with that. Now, let's start with Texas. Why not because they are going to be the team that is probably going to receive the most attention in the way of will. They won't they and this is a Texas team that won actually in different ways in two thousand seventeen it was defense twenty eighteen it was an offensive step forward. They lose a bunch up front on both sides of the ball. And it's really its biggest weapons downfield on offense. So given what they return does a good twenty nineteen Texas team looked closer to the best of twenty seventeen or the best of twenty eighteen boy twenty show. I think that. Heck, this is got to be at least as good as they were last year in order for twenty nineteen to be considered anything remotely nearest success and probably better than than they weren't twenty eight. And I don't know if that answers your question or not I'm trying to think that Texas twenty seventeen I guess we'll they'd be led by offense or defense this year if they are successful. Yeah. I mean, I think that that when you look at history big twelve the teams that win big told titles have what they have a league quarterbacks. So unless you have like pilot Marie Alicia Baker Mayfield unless you didn't young Colt McCoy lease the quarterback Olympics title. And if you don't have a guy like that there are couple of outliers. But for the most part, you you have little chance to win the big tall. And is history suggests that you're gonna have very hard time competing when you look at taxes over the last decade that's been the the obvious hole that they've had they had not had an elite quarterback buying center. They have that. It looks like now in San L linger. And he you know, he has some moments as the true freshman were remember the game. He scared Oklahoma to death before he left with a head injury. And last year he really took a big step forward. And I thought was quietly one of the ten to fifteen best quarterbacks in the country. And I think he's one of the best going into the season this year. So they're gonna be you know, you have to be good defensively at times, but you have to be elite quarterback all the time in the Knicks wealth. So I think for Texas to be a big twelve championship team. It's probably no matter what they do that. Simply is going to hinge on what cell fan can do at quarterback fair. Gimme a number between two and ten that way. I will not determine which team. We talk about Texas was the easy transition after the minister of minister of culture talk. Give me a number between two and ten and I have a team associated at random with those numbers. Just any number ongo seven any number between two and ten. All right. Number seven is Kansas state, one of the lower profile stories in the big twelve. I would say even considering the coaching transition going from Bill Snyder to Chris climbing. So I mean, the question is easy. How is the transition been in a situation that could have been pretty clunky especially after a disappointing season that really Kansas state come within yards of bowl eligibility and not get it gets gone. Okay. It was never gonna be great just because Bill Snyder. I mean that all Kansas state football is is Bill Snyder. That's all that we've known at least when Kansas state has been decent to good to great. So I think that the higher they made a lot of sense, given the obstacles the hand to stay is giving some of the strength that they have is a lot of similarities between Manhattan, and and Fargo and type. Of players you have to recruit in development develop in Chris climate. Did a tremendous job, you know, developing those players at North Dakota state. I mean, they they. They are beyond what Alabama is the FBI level. What they've done in the steps. Yes. And I think they had their best yet this past season up there. They retained a couple of of assistance from the Snyder era including former Heisman contender Collin Klein at quarterback. Who's gonna stand the often inside of the bowl that'll help on night or Bill, son? He's not going to be on in a coaching role. Like he was under Bill that he'll be in the administration. So there's a little bit of a bridge there between the Snyder and climate eras. I think for for Kansas state, though, you know, they they they have got to do a little bit better job in recruiting developing talent that that maybe did at the end of this Neider era. You know, Kansas state as always going to, you know, they're going to get those walk on. They're going to get the guys in Celaya Kansas that nobody. Do about they're going to get the guys that maybe were big time wrestlers, and you know, that translated the football or you know, the guys that might be a step slow or a little bit short, but can really play the game of football. But you know, they always had like, you know, Tyler Lockett or or Darren sproles, and and it didn't feel like they had a lot of that here. These last two or three years, both those guys were overlooked for a variety of different reasons. And I'm not saying they have got to go outside the five star guys get, you know under climate, but they've gotta find some firepower that they just not have offense early. I mean, you can run clock. And you can you know, ball control that you still have to make plays, and they just had a hard time keeping up with people these last couple of years, which is why they took a little bit of the step back from, you know, twenty fourteen when they add a chance to to win the big twelve and and you know, we're nine win team during the regular season is. The answer. Or is it somebody else if you were asked the question of the new big twelve coaches, so that's less miles. Chris climb in Neil Brown league. Yeah. Is he the answer of who is going to build the most impressive program, you know, twenty nineteen on and Matt wells at Texas Tech. Yeah. I mean, I I thought that there are a lot of good hires in the big twelve this year. You mentioned you mentioned that well who had a lot of success that you've thought date at height to the area. And you thought the people speaking of the state, I mean there other finals Neil Brown. And I think went into the process they felt like climbing was going to be there guy. You know, gene Taylor hired climate when he was in North Dakota state the Kansas day now, but Neil Brown was so impressive during the interview process that they really were torn between the two before ultimately going with the guy that they felt like it was going to be there all along. And so you know what? Virginia getting ill Brown it together. Chance to be a home run hire as well. From everything that I've heard about him and his capacities football coach. I a lot of solid hires in the big twelve this year. And and I thought that for the most part everybody made about the best possible higher that they could make you know, the one question Mark, I think is less miles at Kansas. Just because you know, Kansas such a long way to go in his can less who's been out of coaching. You know, been out of the big twelve for long time at the league's completely different than when he was at Oklahoma state kin. He, you know, turn them around. I think that on the one hand like I've been the Lawrence which is beautiful campus, but not a great football stadium silly area. And I been there when you could count the number of people in the stands before the game. I remember I was at. Did the Kansas piece you twenty four teen Trayvon boy it was a quarterback there. He's you almost made the playoff, and I could count there like three hundred seventeen people in the stands that kickoff. Now, it was cold to be sure. But my I there was so people I literally count not lying 'cause I down the number of people in the stands, and there were probably more people on the field. And there were in the stadium at kickoff. At least less is going to bring some excitement. Some you know, some some buzz that they so desperately need because they gotta get people interested in football in before they do anything else. But once the game start, you know is he going to be able to, you know, make them competitive, maybe he will be able to. But I also felt like Kansas maybe had an opportunity to do something, you know, Genna grain like, I don't know going. You know, hiring somebody like jump monk in the run the auction or just something different that. Navy would speed up the competitive gap that they face because, you know, today mid babies credit, you know, the former coach there they they drive between when he first started. And when he was fired, you know, they were much more competitive, and they were better, but they are still so far away. Just from being the next to last fem- in the big twelve is it a talent thing is it a just general infrastructure. Obviously, you mentioned people not being super interested in Lawrence in football. But what is what is the actual vision? Whether it's it's less miles or somebody else. What is the vision for making Kansas and Lawrence a destination for competitive football? Well facilities is is is at the top of the list in the they were they were, you know, marking on a capital project up there before they they made the switch eighty two long. But you know, that's still you know, that's still a priority to poor a lot of money, you know, two hundred. Fifty to three hundred million dollars into the football facility the stadium there which I mean, not even it's not even a glorified high school stadium. It's basically worse than some high school high school stadium. You'll find in say the state of Texas. So you know, that's up that's up there. They've gotta get more bodies. I mean when Charlie weis because otherwise our air, you know, invading over they have like fifty two Stoller ship players everybody else's eighty five. Now, they gave a bunch of walk on scholarships. So it made it seem like they had eighty five. But at the end of the day, you know, they still only have I would say between sixty five and seventy five, you know, BS level, you know, scholarship Taliban players so that really hurt their death. You know, they was one guy somewhere in the position group just completely falls apart. And it's and it's mean like, you know, they've had some pretty good individual. Players, you know, particularly on the defensive side of the ball. But but you need more than two or three guys in order to compete in the big twelve and they just they just haven't had enough, you know, above average players on their teams to be competitive, even with the the lower rung big programs. All right. Give me a number ten nine six five four three two four before. All right four. We're going to Ames Iowa State proof that I a pretty down program with a good higher and some investment can turn things around. I think Brock Purdy went six and one this past year as a starter. And with that the clones have had specific breakthrough talent on both sides of the ball. Akeem Butler, Joe landing a couple years ago. David Montgomery, who've I mean, these guys have come and gone these past couple years, but do you expect I wha state to go from recruiting? Do they go from having two three four? Four of those types of guys two four five six seven eight nine of those guys. I think so. And and I think Whiteley, you know, they they lose a couple of their headliners. You mentioned Montgomery and Butler, you know, to be sure, but they bring back the bulk of what was the best defense in the big twelve last year, you know, bunch of guys that are all big twelve caliber Brock Purdy. You know was arguably the freshman of the year in the big twelve this past season. I mean, I was state only lost one game of before the bowl with him at quarterback which was the game in Austin. They you know, I don't know if you saw the Washington table game. But I mean, they ended every opportunity to win that was a terrific game. And you know, I would say showed that, you know, a lot of people felt like until the end at least Washington was the class of the Pac twelve and you know, they showed they belong in that game. So I I'm very bullish on you know, I was state, especially. With Purdy on in his development. He was talking about Texas earlier in their quarterback issues. The problem. I status had basically cynical lawless. You know years ago is that it looks like they've got their quarterback of the future and import ever reason it does it carry over and Joe landing was that guy then moved to linebacker because of. Somebody else. And and you know, they've had a lot of moment. The they've got a lot of moments with quarterback empty podcast. Yeah. He has the injury. So now, it's Brock Purdy. I think that would Campbell and and offense it infrastructure that they have I feel pretty good about pretty chances to become a really good player. Not only in the big twelve but college football in general, but that is something that that they they have to ask the question. They have to answer that that's really held them back from you know, being indication bowl team to I could consistent, you know, eight nine win team, you know, every other year that they are kind of knocking on the door, become and under MAC people. Are they a benefit Sherry and this is to their credit for taking advantage? Are they the beneficiary of a lot of inconsistency and unrest in the sort of middle class of the big twelve with, you know? Texas Tech, and TCU and Baylor and Kansas state all inexplicably having pretty disappointing last couple years. Yeah. Although, you know, they eat I it's not like they had just beaten up on the middle tier teams. True. I got the game a couple years ago. When one of the most like unforeseen upsets, I think I've ever been where. You know, I was big O's to Norman with their four string quarterback and be Baker Mayfield at Oklahoma. In Norman, you know, team that would go to the playoff, and and, you know, have an overtime away from playing for the national championship. So they won a lot of those games against the, you know, the the, you know, the the Oklahoma state TC TCU's out of you know, the middle. You know, the the middle tier the big of. But they've shown that they can be the big boys to BTC you two years ago to the two teams that played for big job championship. They gave Oklahoma at one and basically again last year. So I think that, you know, Oklahoma state has maybe taken, you know, little bit of step back a little bit of a step back in the past year. But I'm not so sure that I was not where they are. Anyway, just because of how good they've been and that goes across the board. Regardless of the opponent that they've played and you are saying that there is a not zero chance that we're talking about twenty twenty all American linebacker, Brock Purdie. Yeah. I know he's eagles starting in in a year. I will say I will I think after Oklahoma, Texas. I I would say it'd be clear number three team in the big twelve going into twenty eight. I like it. I like it. I'm with you. Give me a number ten nine six five three two two. We're talking Texas Tech. You mentioned Matt wells and people being bullish in Lubbock. So both with who is coming back. And I know that I think they lose their best to receivers and the freshman now enrolling helpful was the cupboard left by cliff Kingsbury in Lubbock Lubbock, excuse me. Yeah. I mean, maybe more than people think if Alan Bowman doesn't have suffered collapsed long in that West Virginia game, and then have the reoccurrence of it. At late second quarter. If he weeks later against Oklahoma Clinton's is probably still coach at Texas Tech. You know, you you think there's a couple of games that they win. You know, they were actually improved last year particularly on the defensive side, but really across the board and Bowman going down just really killed them. Because they they just weren't consisted enough at quarterback after him. And yes, another guy people focusing on, you know, Patrick Mahomes, and then obviously, you know, cliff brief relationship with Baker Mayfield. You know? Alan Bowman was you know, you have Trevor Lawrence. I think. Yeah. Adrian Martinez, but like after those guys album was right there with anybody in including Brock party. Yeah. He, you know, he he was putting up some monster numbers, and they just kind of fell apart. When when he got hurt he's been cleared. You know, he's there starter going into the spring again. And I think he is a, you know, legit good. Another legit good quarterback protects stack. I think these guys, you know, this time of year, I've art time courting like, you know, who like number of restarting charters, and all that I feel like my brain just goes dead in the month of February. But I wanna say like a starters back seven starters back effectively off decent wasn't great. But certainly not the laughing stock to college football that it was three or four years ago. Their office of wine is got I believe before five starters back. So they have a chance to actually be, you know, pretty good. I I don't think they're a big told title contender. But I think they're both team. And especially if Allah Bowman is healthy and plays in you know, eleven twelve game. What was it that separated? Matt wells from the other candidates. The other reported candidates for the Texas Tech job. Well, I think that Utah state in the u Utah state. I mean, they love it's remote the thumb. They won. They won him games. A couple of times you need actually from shallow saw Oklahoma, which is firmly in the big twelve footprint me, Oklahoma. So prize to the area, I think him bringing all his coordinators with him was a selling point in in keep Patterson, you know, highs today as well. And then David ios to was the the office coordinator, Missouri when they were believe still in the big twelve so I think all that combined, and then you know, sort of changing things up a little bit from the air raid. Which is something, you know, Kirby hope that the they're clearly wanted to do I think all of that made him the guy really from the beginning for you know, courteous, and you're talking about some of these big twelve programs and all the coaching changes pretty much. Everybody got their now. We'll see you know, whether any of them all of them out West Virginia got their number one guy can't stay climate. And we talked about him not wells that that was that was who they wanted, you know, clearly from the very beginning. And then, you know, obviously with with less than in Jeff long. So. Everybody got the coach that they wanted to go kid. And and so I think that that that the positive sign for the league, let's stick with new coaches and just talk about West Virginia. So I'm eliminating number ten on my list, but Neil Brown. You brought up a couple of times as being impressive as being the guy for West Virginia. What is it about? Neil Brown that offers West Virginia that something that's a wrinkled different from Dana holder Sohn who accomplished a lot relatively speaking in Morgantown with his offenses with defensive improvement. What is that wrinkle? What is that? That addition of Neil that Neil Brown offers that perhaps is a step in not necessarily a better worse, but a different direction than Dana Holger Sohn. I probably question I'll be better prepared to answer in after spring ball. You can in August because I don't know. Neil personally him having been at Troy, but in, you know, you talk to people talk people can't say people West Virginia people Troy people coach with them, and they all rave about his organization attention to detail. And I think that to whatever reason there's just a lot of tension there between the West Virginia administration and Dana Hoeger Sohn, it it felt like they weren't completely all in with him being their coach. And he wasn't all in completely at times with being in Morgantown, and there was just this friction that kind of resurfacing, you know, every so often and finally came the head when you know, West Virginia with Wilbur, David sills. I mean, you know for them to not get the big title game. I think was a disappointment. You know, they they had the best quarterback on paper on into the year. And they had the best, you know, one of the best offenses in the country going into the year. And despite having some big wins, you know, they're not getting Arlington, and they have to be considered a disappointment. And then, you know, you know, Hoeger sin and his side. They want an extension, and they want a bigger by out, and, you know, West Virginia. Shame minds, the you know, they wanted to stick to their guns and not, you know, attach more dollars to buy out of the contract. And that's kind of you know, what prompted Dana to leave to go to Houston. I think just it was time. I think for both sides, maybe go their separate directions. And you know, I think that is given the program and a little bit of rejuvenation that. I think that the the fans the administration the program, you know, probably will benefit from Oscar another question about West Virginia that you will probably answer similarly in the like, this is what I'm hearing. But I don't know for sure how. Well, regarded is Austin KENDALL now that he has made his his transfer and has been allowed to transfer from Oklahoma to West Virginia, obviously, West Virginia. See something in him. Obviously Oklahoma saw something in him. How well regarded is the presumptive mountaineer starter quarterback? Well, the former ESPN three hundred recruit, and he probably is Oklahoma starting quarterback at some point. If they don't take in back to back transfer is trophy winners ano-, by the way, maybe a guy will be in contention to become the third. Jalen hurts who was the top free agent quarterback this passion. So he just kept getting over recruited and finally wanted to get off -tunities somewhere else. He I think that run thing that that that is going to bid if it him and benefit West Virginia is just look at a track record of quarterback development and Oklahoma. And it's pretty. Pretty impressive. And even though often didn't play a lot, and you think being being in a room with Baker Mayfield. And Kyla Murray? You know, guys that are gonna be first round Baker already was and Tyler presumably is going to be first round pick as well. You know, being with those guys can't hurt and being with the Lincoln Riley, who you know, NFL teams were desperate to hire. As a quarterback who this past off season, you know can't hurt. So I think all of that going to benefit you know, Austin on his chances of winning the starting job. You know, I I've been on West Virginia Radio West Virginia couple of times. And they asked me what kind of quarterback is in our community because he just has played very much. We have not seen him play very much. So it's a little bit of a question. You know, how good he can be the opportunity is definitely there West Virginia. Jack Allison a former transfer for Miami. Probably would have been the projected starter had in not transferred in. You know, West Virginia obviously got drilled in the bowl game win. We'll Greer getting played its focus on the NFL. So I think the opportunity is there, but how effective he's going to be remains to be seen? Now. He does have a connection to deal Brown, which is sort of what the filibuster. Dated, you know, him going to West Virginia. You know, Brown was at Kentucky, and they were recruited kindle outta high school. So I think that will help, but we'll see I mean, I think West Virginia is is pretty fascinating because they really are Blake's way in a lot of different ways this year. All right, number three, five six or nine five five. All right. Five is easy. Easy transition with Austin KENDALL because five is Oklahoma and one of the clear crossovers between Cuyler Murray and Baker Mayfield was they're both fearless downfield, which is not not necessarily what Jalen hurts. Look like the last time we saw him as a fulltime QB. So do you believe Oklahoma can reach similar at least heights doing things maybe a bit differently with a different type of quarterback perhaps leaning on the ground game. And maybe, hey, maybe an unpredictable defense that helps them win games. Can they win differently on a huge level? I think they can let's start with. Offense, and you know, Baker and Cuyler. We're a little bit different in their quarterbacking style. And you know, I think waken demonstrated a pretty impressive activists for adjusting in adapting the office. The Taylor the skill set of his quarterback now after Baker left. I there's no way Oklahoma give me better they're gonna they're gonna take a big step back. And so it can come in on the defense to improve the defense got worse and that Oklahoma got back to the playoffs because their offense was even better under Cuyler Murray. Now, I I'm not gonna say that. I think they're gonna be better under Jalen hurts and expected still to take a not not just one step back. But probably to setbacks off from what they've been they could prove me wrong again. But I still think they think that they can be a Li offense ably because Jay went hurts. And you know, he's you know, he's a big quarterback than what they've had. You know, you, you know, six to two hundred plus pounds. You know, he is more solidly. He is a more physical. You know, physical type quarterback than what they've had. You know, even Baker even Baker could scramble and break, the Jalen, you know, he can run over guys. And so I think they're going to have more of a, you know, emphasis on running the quarterback, then they probably have had even with Cuyler, and his, you know, dynamic, and he was a lot of it wasn't designed runs. It was just him taking off and and and basically be an unstoppable, but I don't think it's gonna be that different. And that's something Lincoln Riley said, you know, if you weeks ago after they landed Jalen that, you know, we're going to run are awful. And so I think that they will be similar in a lot of ways with a few tweaks here there. Grandchild could terra CD lamb creed Humphry at tied in wide receiver and center respectively. Could all be preseason all Americans the different very agrees. So they are still pretty loaded off instantly, even though. They've got a rebuild the office rhyme. You know around the center in Humphrey, and they need a probably a couple more receivers to step up around land. But they they have the capability be like a three, you know, who knows even better than that offense. Again. Now that they've got Jalen hurts behind center guy that played in a kind of big games and not gonna be rattled. When they go down. The Cotton Bowl is not gonna be rattled at they get the Bill championship game and won't be rattled if they get back to play playoff. I love the mystery. I love the mystery and his scary potential three six or nine to three. We're gonna go to three we're gonna talk about Baylor who's their offense. Obviously took an enormous step forward in twenty eighteen but down the stretch the bears they struggle. They struggled moving the ball. I think they averaged thirteen points a game in those four losses in the second half of the season. So what is what is the clearest reason to believe Baylor takes another step forward? Even if the defense is. Still defense was pretty rough last year. And if they're around that what what is the reason to believe in an offense of move forward. What the office blind still still gotta get better. You know, I don't know that it we've necessarily, you know, strength at any point last year in defensively, you know, they've got to continue to improve their dad because you know, after everything that happened. They off a lot of the debt that they'd really enjoyed in the trenches on both sides of the ball. But I think the reason is Charlie brewer like if you're looking at returning quarterbacks in the big twelve you might take same etlinger, you might take Brock Purdy. Even after that. I think that. Returning. I in the conference Charlie brewers probably the next best quarterback. And from whatever reason they he was kind of a art time starter player to begin the year. I thought he was clearly their best quarterback. But once he finally was installed as the guy, and he really had some nice moments. You're right. They did struggle to score offense at times. But I think you know with him as the fulltime quarterback. I think they've got a chance. Listen, you have Oklahoma, Texas. I think they're the clear top two. I've said I stayed to me is the clear top three. There isn't a clear top four, and you can make a very compelling case that Baylor could be right there for that four spart with Charlie brewer. And that rule, you know, who is, you know, one of the top coach is not necessarily just in the big twelve maybe, you know, college football with what he's done at temple in the way, he's turned around Baylor. So quickly six or nine nine. Number nine. Well, first of all, I just like to put respect on the cheese at bowl champions names that horned frog all of the year, wasn't it. By the way. I mean easily for entertainment purposes, it wasn't even a football game. At a certain point. You're just watching a monster truck rally. Go horribly wrong. It had my favorite penalty of the year with the double forward pass play. It really had something for everybody. Clemson forget Trevor Lawrence the big winner of the bowl season last year. I think it was cheesy veasley we are saying we're not saying we thin. We are not saying pepperidge farm. We are sticking with cheese it, and we are rolling with the ridges and the various flavors. Yeah. They're the big winner. They have done themselves a lot of favors. Secondly, and less importantly, how much of twenty eighteen TCU struggles were because of the crazy number of injuries, which there were undeniably, and what could actually carry over even if. Slash when the frogs health lock actually bounces back to normal. I thought that last year was one of the best coaching jobs. Gary Patterson has done because I thought that they were done about mid October. I thought that they were gonna lose out and they lost the Kansas the next week. And I thought especially after that they're not gonna win another game this year. And I think the only lost like one or two more games. The rest of the season that team somehow won seven games that was not a great team in part because the injuries that you reference which especially hit them hard at the quarterback position. So I think that you know, I think they're gonna be good defensively next year on usually pretty good pretty good with a Gary Patterson team. You know, they're gonna get Ross black lock who would've maybe been the best defensive lineman in the entire twelve this past season. Had he must suffer that season ending injury off. Which really hurt them on the defensive interior. You know, he's back with the guy that, you know, he was before that then then, you know, they're gonna have an impact I of front defensively there might there may be. I don't know if there's a team in college football. That has like four different guys who could win the quarterback job. And I really don't know. Like, you could probably give them each about a twenty five percent chance to do. So, you know, Mike Collins over for Sean Robinson since transferred to Missouri. You know in in the moments before he got injured Justin Rogers who was you know, one of the top quarterbacks in recruits in the country year ago, you know, had that devastating knee injury. You know, have the foot thing. Now who knows if he's going to be healthy enough to really compete for the job. They've got Alex Delton from from Kansas state at grad transfer quarterback who you know, is is a specialist and that he's you know, run I guy but a pretty dynamic runner. So they they've got you know, a lot of different options and quarterback without really, you know, any one of them being I think the clear cut guy. That's gonna be a big T for them is somebody winning that job. But Jalen rigors, you know, superstar wide receiver that they couldn't get the ball enough to last year of the quarterback issues. You know, they're gonna be good at running back again. So I think that you know, they can see healthy again talking about that number four spot in the big twelve they've shown that they you know, they have the pedigree defensively to that that can give them a chance to compete in the big twelve. All right. Our final team, obviously is Oklahoma state who I believe maybe seven of their last eight eight of their last nine it was single digit either way. Everything was close everything either came down to them winning something close or losing something close, and they actually seem to be in a pretty great defensive place after the Boise state came, and then they just full on warrant for basically the rest of the big twelve season. What happens do you expect improvement on defense? For the cowboy they were completely schizophrenic theme last year. They they if you took Clinton and Alabama out of the picture, I think they were pretty much capable of beating anyone in college football. And losing anyone gods? Last year, and they be West Virginia. Baby Texans may were a two point emerging away from beating Oklahoma in Norman, meanwhile, they lose to TC you. They got just steamrolled inexplicably at Kansas state. They had some really bad losses. But that's some great winds to you know, they that would Thailand Wallace wide receiver and and Shuba Hubbard at running back. They have a chance to be electric offensively as they have been for the most part under my Gundy, the question for them like so many big toll teams is you know, what happens the quarterback they lose Taylor. Cornelius to you know, was up and down at great moments in data wants to last year. He's gone. They signed the top quarterback recruit in the state of Texas a year ago in Spencer Sanders, and they red-shirted him last year. Even with the red shirt rule. You know, he didn't step on the field at any point last season. You know, he's got some tools. You know, I've heard people say throws the Titus spiral of anybody. They've had up there since Brandon Weeden, you know, at the same time, you know, does the tangible the leadership I think that's going to be the question as they go through spring ball and whether he can win the smart starting job. But if he plays up to his potential recruiting potential with what else they're gonna have often, they could be you know, team that could that could bomb away on anybody. And you know, defensively, you know, we'll see feels like every prime you think. Oklahoma state is gonna be better defensively. They just aren't you mentioned the Boise state game. But they they have a chance to be pretty special offense ably with Thailand walls might be the best receiver in college football and Juba or might be one of the, you know, running back. What do we know if anything really at this point about? Sean Gleeson the new offense coordinator who have a hell of a run at Princeton running the tiger offense another higher from a lower level coming to Stillwater after Mike you're sick. We know more about in the we did win Gundy hired Mike might you're out of shippensburg, Pennsylvania. Yes. Oh, I heard really sharp guy that you know, guys around him at been really impressed. They're gonna play fast. You know? It's interesting to see you know, what innovative things he can bring the offense. And whether you know as mentioning Spencer Sanders, maybe a new coordinator position coach will be a positive for him. You know, we'll see with your now at Iowa State, but they're gonna be fun. Why there they were incredibly fun team last year to watch no matter what level they were playing. They they basically played up and down to everybody. They that. I think with the firepower they have potentially they'll be fun team again in twenty nineteen and Sanders can take a step forward. Maybe it seemed that you know, challenges I stayed or TC or Baylor as the team that can maybe threatened the big boys in Oklahoma and Texas final question because you've given us so much and. I think it would almost be idiot to challenge Austin as the number one food town in the big twelve that it would it would have to be such an extraordinary point. That would be idiot. I'd agree. What is number two and support your claim with evidence or with places that people should go wherever you're number two is well the on base thought Oakland and a little bit unfair for me to count Norman. Because a lot of places I enjoy in Oklahoma City, you know, they're enormous. Well, it's so you're cruising recusing yourself from Oklahoma City. Norman at the great word for it. It's a total recusals. Okay, there show after that. You know, and and I feel bad in Fort Worth Fort Worth in the mix because it's a big city. It's just gonna more option than you know, aims or men out. There are a lot of big cities with not great food. That is true. I would not worth in that category. That they've got a lot of great spots. Okay. In in Fort Worth as well. So you you hear I'm quitting. So I can't say this is what I'll say could be fair every spot is known for something different than I really enjoy. So like, some the best piece that you'll ever eat the world is in Stillwater, hideaway, peaceful. Right. I love the best the best Greek restaurant at any big twelve city to me is in Lawrence, Kansas. The mad Greek on a mass now avenue there, obviously, the, you know, you you go down to they, you know, Spike's. Is they've got the G thing that are fantastic. And then I always go to, you know, blue-sky burger across the street stadium there and cables is fun to, you know, never been the Lubbock before you've got you know, you go to. The Waco is got schmaltz delis one of my favorite places to eat anywhere in the country. They've got you know, the, sandwiches and the salads. And the original location is just around the street from campus there in Waco. They also got you know, this really good barbecue in Waco as well. So I mean, I could go on and on. I think the food lot. Oh, Harry's in Manhattan is fabulous. That's that was built Niners favorite restaurant. You know, one of my favorite stops as well. Although varsity donuts in Manhattan, which you can catch on the way out of town because that's usually drive trip for me. So there's a lot of great spots in the big love. I feel that I'm probably leaving out some of my my favorite places, but Morgantown and aims have good spots as well. So. So I enjoy eating the big twelve to be sure you just don't want your mentions being filled up with people being appointed more every every time. I get one of these of these questions inevitably get back for for this opinion or leaving misplace out. So trying to name as many spots off the top of my head as possible. Well, yeah, I thought they did. Okay. You know, like, you know, hickory park that was like on the tip of my tongue. You name. It was great. You know that spot to go there as well. So a lot of great places to eat across the the big well for sure. So what I'm hearing in terms of pure depth? I'm hearing Fort Worth in your voice. Yeah. I mean, just because I mean Fort Worth is got, you know, great. They just an it's a big city, and almost it's hardest separate out Dallas from worth because it's basically one interconnecting city with the Metroplex there. You know, I mentioned Norman, which tennis it's like similar to Oklahoma City. And we have great steakhouses in hamburger joints, which you know. Kinda spill spill in Norman, particularly the hamburger joints. You know? Austin has by far the most out. I mean, it it's hard to prioritize where to go eat NAS tin when I go down there because it you can't hit everywhere. And there's so many good spots to go ahead. And I think they've done a good like Japanese renaissance right now in Austin. There's a good Rahman spot. Can't even Tatsu me. I can't even get into. I mean, I don't that's so far down the list for me. And I'm sure awesome. But it's like, I don't I'm not there long enough ever to get into the Japanese, you know, fatted in in off. I base. Basically do basically stick to barbecue. And I go to Austin for the most part because barbecue so great that I feel like I don't have enough time to get outside that window if I'm there for three or four days, you know, all star venturing out a little bit. But if I'm in there for like a day or two I mean, you know, you you've gotta hit the spot in Austin. And I'm not gonna name. What's your barbecue spot? I I love Franklin, but you can't get into Franklin. Right. Like, just forget it. Correct. So my spot is actually Mickle ways, which is oh same say. All right. I I I had not heard of it up until about a couple years ago or year ago. But it was, you know, Texas monthly does the the barbecue teams and for places not been around for very long, and they came in like Shelvin and. If you're seventh and the state of Texas barbecue, you are you are a legit spot. So it's a little bit. I it's not great like one hundred ten during the summer because of their trailer, and you're gonna be outside. Yeah. Correct. And it's never great the eat barbecue. Like when it's a hundred ten like, I don't feel like back a good combination. Because you know, the meat is warm, and you're already have the meat sweats. Anyway, now, you're leading from the sun. But it is it is fantastic. And that is but I try to hit when I go to Austin now. All right. We're going to finish this with us reaching common ground and for that. Thank you for coming on. I look forward to your full open records request on Matthew mcconnahey official job responsibilities. As minister of culture at the university of Texas. Jake Trotter ESPN is there anything anybody else should know about you where they should find you what they should search out in terms of your work. Work. I'm around the money in on Twitter. You can find done. He's on Twitter. You can find him. Don't go looking up on Instagram. That's not for everybody. Not for me. Not for him. All right, Jake. Thank you very much. All right. We're backed in. Yes. Thank you. Jake Trotter ESPN dot com. We've had him on the program. I was trying to count before the shot and even know how many times now Jake's been with us for a long time. Always oh rate. Listen, what it let me ask you this? What did you learn from your conversation with him that you think needs a little bit more attention? I've been very curious since the higher about Kris climate and Kansas state just because the ways in which Kansas state one under Bill Snyder. And I thought he phrased it really well when he said Kansas state football is Bill Snyder because our point of reference with Kansas football and success basically lies with Pilsen family. Bill snyder. Right. You can't really count on print here. It's Bill or bill's I hope donor, right? So it's fascinating because of the specific challenge that Chris climate has in Manhattan, and whether it's building continuing to build through a lot of junior colleges in Kansas. Whether it's, you know, following the blueprint that he, you know, kept going in Fargo with with the bison and just the challenge of winning in Manhattan, when they're pretty much always going to be a have not in a conference with two three pretty significant haves. And so that to me is fascinating. Because if there is somebody who is able to lay that kind of foundation, it does feel like that type of experience at North Dakota state's lends itself pretty well to succeeding, perhaps in an off the beaten path kind of place that has flirted with pretty high level football consistently. If you can build a dynasty in Fargo, North Dakota. And I mean, this he kept it. He didn't originally built it. But he was probably. Of the architects for sure absolutely. If you can do that be part of that, which you and I saw with our own eyes and Fargo North Dakota. We bought I mean this with no disrespect Fargo, North Dakota. It's very off the beaten path it. Yeah. Very off the beaten path it's cold as hell in Fargo, North Dakota. When it isn't a lot of other places around the country. It's a tough place to recruit them built an absolute dynasty, a mega Tron in Fargo North Dakota to be able to do that there. Leaves me with a little bit of confidence that you could do something similar, or at least get things in Manhattan Kansas going on the right path. So he I think more so than any other new coach in the big twelve has the most exciting very curious to see which direction at Wildcats program goes yet. As Jake mentioned his ideas the same AD who hired guy rooted him yet guy Taylor from North Dakota state. So there is infrastructure in a positive way that it's not just going to be a Bill Snyder guy breathing down his neck necessarily. So I'm intrigued by that the TCU bounceback after you know, how horrendous injury situation was in Fort Worth last year. And I think it really good point about when you look around college ball, even the big twelve at some of the quarterback balance. You're like, okay. Yes. The position is is pretty wide open. But you know, this guys unless he screws it up it should be Austin KENDALL in Morgantown it should be Jacob Eason in Seattle. There are certain job. Cbs? We like, okay. This guy is the presumptive guy Fort Worth doesn't have that got night. They've got a freshman coming in. They've got Irish liberator. I think Michael Collins they have. Justin Rogers is still there. Former I think five star Lisa blue chip quarterback who dealt with me and pretty horrific foot injury and Alex Delton transferring in from Kansas state, right? So I I really liked the way the Jake phrased it where he was like. Yeah, they each have a twenty five percent shot. That's just how it sort of working. So I do like that very clearly wide open situations like that when TCU's had a quarterback they've been very good. They've been very good. But they need that quarterback. I don't know if they've found that in quite some time. Jake underscore Trotter. Yes is Twitter. Make sure you go out and follow. If you haven't already great as always here on the show. Don't forget if you're listening now in the off season if you just found us for the first time. Hello. We are. Right. Witter were at solid. Verbal you can also find our Instagram. You can also find us out there on Facebook. Facebook dot com slash solid. Verbal or going out to our website itself. Verbal dot com. We've got a newsletter sign up there. We don't span people are not in the habit of that. But whenever we've got critical announcements are important news tidbits that we wanna share we send it out through something. We call the newsletter of intent three to sign up. Going out fill out the form on our website, solvable dot com. Also sub read it started by ver- ballers forever. Red at dot com slash are slash solitaire. Will if you want to join the community talk about all shows. I'm sure Peter from the sub read it will be happy to have you. What else do we got? Then what else is going on Alex Hornibrook is transferring from why is he trailing I didn't see specific reason. And I it doesn't seem to acrimonious, but it might be I saw Paul Chryst wished him the best obviously three or starter for the edges. So whoever gets him is getting a pretty proven winner, and a the owner of a one pop gun arm, which he's appreciate Oregon hired Boise state's defensive coordinator after Jim Levitt and Oregon parted ways they hired Alex excuse me. Andy of Los from Boise state, former linebackers coach for. RB linebacker for the Broncos and young and very well regarded in terms of coaching circles, and I don't know what exactly the defense that organ will be running is and will look like, but by all accounts, people seem to like him. We mentioned some Penn State transfers it looks like Cam Sullivan Brown is coming back to Penn State's. So they least that's a thing. Because that was on our list of what nineteen items that seemed intriguing going into the offseason Thais stories when a western Kentucky transferring from Arkansas, and I did see while two other things I did see pits going to be wearing their like, the non-gold more of the muster yellow and blue often like it very much pro that sure. And then also. I need to look further into this. Because I was asked this sort of blindly, and I hadn't seen it because I am barely succeeding in raising one month old sure. But what was the story between the Pac twelve in the big twelve pseudo joining forces to have a college basketball style challenge and then play ch other and a conference championship thing at the end of the year, a strategic alliance is what I saw I have no idea in. All right. I'm going to read this out loud. And we'll just react to this. As the dumb dumbs that we are. Okay. You ready? Sure. Just react organically. I'm seeing here. So West Virginia president, Gordon, gee, who we all remember g or g I believe it's g it is gay. Okay. E Gordon d he's at West Virginia. Now, Gordon gays I West Virginia, he asked former Kansas State Athletic director, John we fold way falled to consider ways to quote, strengthen the big twelve. Here's what he came up with way fall way failed. What? Ever who is not working for the big twelve in an official capacity. Concluded his pet project months later with an eleven page document, entitled, quote, a proposal to create a strategic alliance between the the big twelve and the Pac twelve so this is very much on brand with today show in it. He writes, the alliance of twenty two universities from the Great Plains to the west coast would provide the vital content of big time football games on the. On thick is corporate speak Wayfair. Just what you need. Okay. Yeah. So would provide the vital content of big time football games that dovetail nicely with the new new developing platforms of information. Holy guide in say, a damn ta in their one thousand years old way falls proposal calls for all thirty of the big twelve non conference games, and for thirty of the pack twelve thirty six out of league games to be played against each other. So almost creating their own level of football in a way, the ups would be spread evenly across the season ten per month with the winners of each conference meeting at the end of the regular season for championship game, which would rotate between the Rosebowl and AT and T stadium in Arlington. So you see what they're doing here? They're setting themselves up to be their own non conference like it's a my best friends wedding situation where for not married by forty like why don't we just do this our selves to good idea? Bad idea. Okay idea. I mean. Guess it's gives it gives us more intriguing games. It does. So from that standpoint. I think it's a good move for them. It's taking Notre Dame's deal with the and building the whole plane out of it strikes me as a good move for the Pac twelve plank, Texas, playing Oklahoma playing TCU playing West Virginia, you know, the classic Pac twelve matchup of Oregon state, West Virginia. I think it's more. We get something out of the ordinary each month of each each month of month of the season. So if the Pac twelve is having a down year like they've had last year, you are not inclined to be watching Arizona Washington state with the same type of interest that you would be perhaps other seasons. Whereas maybe there's something tickling part of your brain that doesn't get tickled. And you're like, oh, we get cheese. It bowl rematch rematch at the end of October. We get Kelsey sue. Okay. You give me an hour. Impress me. I think there is that element of this sort of thing because the big twelve has had trouble finding partner schools to add onto their current tent. Right. They really didn't look at the the American conference schools in question. Whether it was for Cincinnati Memphis, Houston as being worthy, which that's their prerogative. Whatever in the Pac twelve has had a visibility issue that the big twelve doesn't necessarily have because of its bigger programs and its own TV deals and not having the network the conference network that is shielding off games to a lot of the viewing public. So in a way, they're scratching each other's back in a kind of an interesting way. It's an interesting precedent. So is this sort of a shadow version of the old chip Brown? Pac twelve big twelve Pange e conference. Yeah, you're getting a super conference. Without the commitment their friends with benefits like that. What was your McConnell thought? Oh, have you seen the McConnell Lincoln commercials that they played it there in the super day? Make no sense to me tie. They don't I wanna live tweet one. I want. I want to go through frame by frame and talk about how I'm feeling. Well, he gets carte blanche. She must each frame of the way, you work for a company again, I'm spilling no secrets here in which. And this is not uncommon for big companies like say, the Lincoln Motor Company and the advertising agency that works with Lincoln there anything that gets put into the public sphere has a hundred and fifty eyeballs on it. Right. Absolutely. I want notes on this. I want notes on this. It's true of entertainment is true of media. You have editors you have somebody giving a look giving a pass. And you're like, okay. This doesn't fully make sense. Can we reword this like what if we would if we flip a and b right here? But the Lincoln commercials are like day just gave it to mckanna hated direct commercial. They're like, we got McConnell. Hey, were marred of the McConnell sons. We're just gonna turn this over to you do what you read -able. So now, he's he's he's he shooting amass say on a pool table. What is is that a move out of? No that when you when you curl the shot, right? Okay. Good usage them. All right. He somehow he can put the English on it and hit Brian say there. It's just very weird. It doesn't make any sense. And I wanna go through it frame by frame and talk about how I feel watching that commercial. Because for whatever reason it seemed like it's on my TV all the time. If you were to take a hundred road trips significant road trips, let's say in a Lincoln. Let's stay on brand with McConnell. Yeah. You take a hundred road trips of Matthew, mcconaughey. How many of out of that one hundred are just excellent amazing entertaining the entire time stories like you could never even imagine just a delight in. How many of them are unbearable? I think I could gain his not trust. But I think he would open up after a couple hundred miles one hundred fifty miles if we're going cross country something like that. I think I would get great stories. I think his wisdom would not be unbearable. But it would be out there. In an entertaining way. There's a fine line. I think this is how we start them economy cast. I think this is where this is headed. Yeah. Where we just watch. All Matthew, mcconaughey, movies and determine what we've learned. And what what it is to live like Matthew here who have talked to him directly. Right. Yeah. I recently did what have you seen magic? Mike have surprisingly good. And we've gotten a couple of out of like, we have a lot of listeners were very lucky to have them. We get like two complaints. Or like, you has done college football. Now's a good time. Just leave. Just download glad you enjoyed. Hopefully, enjoy the big twelve episode. That's fine. Whatever my question tie. How good is magic might. It's surprisingly good. I watched it with very very good. I watched it with mom h. Not sure how that was going to go to be honest with you because still even though I'm at a ripe old age. Now watching some of those movies with your parents is not the most comfortable experience. Agree. We both genuinely enjoyed it. It's Soderbergh rights, Steven Soderbergh direct. It was it was a much better viewing experience than I than I thought chance made them kind of add depressing dark movie. Yeah. It was a down of Downer of a movie. Yeah. But really good. Very surprising. Yeah. That's all. I have that is all I have for big twelve spectacular. We talked food. We talked big twelve we talk with HANA. Hey. Can I I'm gonna tease something for either are packing wells, big ten TS? Autopsy that or maybe a Q and A episode that will be doing in a little bit. We're gonna talk about your vision. My vision, we're gonna talk about your your vision, your your sense of sight. Yeah. And what's going on there? Because there is something incredibly. That I didn't I talking about until like a second ago. But okay, I cannot believe it has taken you this long. That's the teas we're going to leave it at that. Okay. When you leave it. All right. That's it. Big. Thank you to Jake underscore Trotter out there on the Twitter sphere. Find him following. He's good, dude. Been coming on her show for longtime always inciteful talking all big twelve. Thank you again to him. Dan, you take care yourself. I will I will talk to you soon to everyone out there who downloaded the show. Thank you as always for downloading please do head on out to our webpage, solvable dot com, or Twitter or Instagram or Facebook, of course, sub read it get on in the verbal our community. We will be with you all off season law for that go there. Dan, Rubenstein four myself over here tie Hildebrand. Thanks again for tuning in enjoy the rest of your week as always enjoy your weekend and tin ended till next time. They.

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