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"air america" Discussed on The Nicole Sandler Show

The Nicole Sandler Show

03:58 min | 11 months ago

"air america" Discussed on The Nicole Sandler Show

"Yeah I mean that's a song song for today. All right we are back. I'm Nicole Sandler on radio or not and radio radio or not dot com we are streaming live on you stream and Obviously you've found me because that's the only way you're listening tonight. We all heard the news. It is very sad. News that Air America has decided to call it quits today. You know this is a really sad day that we have lost a voice now you you know. A lot of people say are America isn't what it wasn't what it was you know in the beginning and that's true but the fact that we lost a another other liberal voice in this country should frighten everyone because you cannot drive through a town in which you can't hear rush limbaugh but you can drive through state after state after state listening to broadcast. Radio terrestrial radio and and not be be able to hear a progressive talk show and that is a shame it's a shame so so You know the only good news I can give you is that we are moving into Internet world. The new cars that are being made that that are being built will have wi fi capability in the dash so just like a lot of people have wi fi radios in their homes homes. You will be able to have that in your car and It's it's coming soon. Unfortunately it's not quite there yet but a lot of that's right. The Ford thank but a lot of people are listening on their iphones and on other smartphones. So we are getting there we just have to get there more quickly One of the things I guess that L. Look at over the coming weeks is that You know find out what companies are offering these kinds of devices for the cars and and and maybe you know maybe we can get some of them to advertise. I don't know we. We gotTA figure out. I gotTA figure out a way to make this work because Well as of today I am you know and not not drawn a paycheck anymore. All right so we'll get we'll get back to this and I may even be able to grab a phone call or two before we call it quits but I promise you my conversation with Congresswoman Donna Edwards She is the first name and I told you again. I recorded this conference call earlier today. As soon as the news broke about the Supreme Court ruling There was a conference call. Held by it was put together gather by public citizen. You know. That's the group that Ralph Nader founded all those years ago and it was Robert Weisman. WHO's the president of public citizen? Scott Nelson who was a litigator eight or four public citizen and he actually filed some of the briefs in the public sit in the citizens united case that the Supreme Court ruled on Lisa Gilbert from the US public interest research group and John Bonifaz. Who was our first guest tonight from voter action all talking about what you you know how we move forward from here? And they launched this new website today. The website again is free speech for people dot Org. And you know what before we get to Donna Donny Edwards who by the way is a congresswoman from Maryland C. J. U. P- in The youth dream chatrooms said. He's not familiar with Donna. She is a wonderful all. Wonderful member of Congress from Maryland. I'm GonNa play you a little bit of the kickoff video audio from the free speech which for people dot Com dot dot org website. Do you think corporations are people. No no no no no absolutely not different animal. They're not people they don't have the same rights is people. I've worked at Corporate.

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"air america" Discussed on The Nicole Sandler Show

The Nicole Sandler Show

02:34 min | 11 months ago

"air america" Discussed on The Nicole Sandler Show

"The leader of our discontent more Justin early. frogs join US Gratien. Take the baby. BOOMER's added all way to the briefing. No recess is almost any walking the way this tweet no sex. No we would do take take your money but we were ahead of goodness gracious. My grandma used to say the world is scary. Place now things were different in her day. What horrors will become when my hair starts to gray That is Kevin Gilbert from the album. Thud Goodness Gracious We're the cleanup crew for parties. We were too young to attend goodness. Gracious Me Yeah just Yeah I mean that's a song song for today. All right we are back. I'm Nicole Sandler on radio or not and radio radio or not dot com we are streaming live on.

"air america" Discussed on The Nicole Sandler Show

The Nicole Sandler Show

09:19 min | 11 months ago

"air america" Discussed on The Nicole Sandler Show

"Was a great show. I listened to that show religiously and when they killed it I was bombed that was during during the Danny Goldberg era. Danny Goldberg is the one who killed that show and he came in just with an ideological bent. Saying we've got to get Democrats elected. We gotta get this Agenda Pass. Well that's not. What a radio companies? Therefore they're they're what they're there for us to get ratings into entertain and if you do that then you can get your agenda through look at Fox. That's what works. Well it's it's a bit different. It is a bit different. I think that you know Fox's different a very different model for many reasons. It's hard in general to get progressive radio anywhere on the AM. I'm don which is so dominated by conservative radio. But there's a few reasons for this number one. The status quo is always going to be stronger than the people trying to change things. That's human history and that's why evolution solution takes such a long time you know when when Columbus I came to America and again slaving indigenous peoples his Catholic priests on the boat. protested the Queen and that was the first time anyone in North America protested slavery and it took five hundred years to get rid of it anyway and another one hundred years ago to apartheid. Progress takes a long time. Secondly you're never going to go broke telling conservative people that they're right all the time. Okay folks that don't have a lot of confidence and don't really feel that Let's say the more academic news speaks to them. appealing to them emotionally dropping the Bible and babies and the flag. It just the right times. is really going to. It's more like a drug Fox. News is really good drug. You that you can take to make you feel a certain way and you'll never go broke telling people people who were wrong about everything for eight years. They've been right all along and finally sad truth of the matter is liberals tend to kind of have lives and they're off doing their own thing and not necessarily tuning in all the time then getting orders from the troops. It's really sad but it's it's one of the reasons why you're a leader Nicole and the kind into work you do is the kind of stuff that you know. It's one voice in the wilderness that eventually becomes the mainstream and And it's a pleasure to work with someone who's a pioneer like you and it was a fearless warrior like you because I think you're doing the Lord's work well thank you and so while we're in this mutual admiration society mode. Let me just say one of the reasons I love working with you so much is because you get it you you are so you're you know what's going on. You're very aware you know a lot of Comedians. Even a lot of Comedians who do political Michael Humor they may read the headlines. But they don't seem to have a deep understanding of what's going on. You know you get it much. In the way that John Stewart that the the the daily show and the Colbert report get it. Because you know you feel it too you can tell when someone's genuine when they understand what's going on in the and they do have convictions. So you combine that with very quick wit and and just smart funny stuff and that you know and you've got that and that's a rare quality not as well I. I am not that quick witted in our I have I remember stupid facts. I can I remember you know. I've got this weird musical knowledge and I remember her things. But you know the reason. I'm I think good at this is because I'm really opinionated and I've spent thirty years behind the microphone so I guess that qualifies me for it and and I'm a concerned citizen who was so sick and tired and fed up with the way things have been going but Who would have thought last November fourth on my forty ninth birthday that we would be sitting here on January twenty first twenty ten and freaking out over the fact that you know the Democrats seem to be so out of control even though they still still have fifty nine seats in the Senate and an eighty seat majority in the house because you know and the Supreme Court would Turner Democracy upside down and we would have corporations being able to buy elections? Well I gotTA say You Know I. It's kind of funny me. Hearing all the Democrats complaining about losing sixty eight majority because I feel like well. It's not like you were doing that much but I have this really kind of a Retinal left wing crazy idea about what we're seeing now in American politics and idea is that God's in charge and and that all empires of man must collapse and the sooner America has it's inevitable tough times that are coming and has to scale back from being an empire and go back to being a republic Democratic Republic. The sooner this country gets its asked in that way and it may take a couple of generations but but once we go back to being just another country that takes care of ourselves. I think that that's going to be the healing and the rebirth of America. What we're seeing now is the the beginning the the beginning of the end of the beginning of America? And now it's GonNa be time for this country to go and regenerate because as it is now we're creating a country that's strong on on the outside and sick on the inside that's Pires collapse. The Soviets aren't the British a lot more likable. Now that they're not running the world anymore. The Byzantine Empire the Ottoman Empire. They've all gotta gotTa go sometime. And the sooner American you just have that collapsed. Let China run the world and let's get back to being a country that's what this is all about. And that's why I have a lot of hope. We're just passing through history our job while we're here is to be beacons of light and truth and honesty and have as much fun as we can and make it easier easier for the rest of us and try and bring as many of our friends in the lightest possible. Yeah the Problem Jon Fugler saying though is that may take as you said a couple of generations and here. We are at the beginning of the twenty-first century and it looks like we're Kinda screwed for the next generation or so You know here much. Yeah and I don't know what kind in a future my daughter is going to have. And here I am. I mean I've just found out I'm unemployed again today and my insurance runs out next month so I'm trying to think okay. Ah where do we go from here and I would love nothing more than for our government to pull back but here we are spending an additional. What thirty million dollars in Iraq? Just for the in Afghanistan for the additional troops that are going to go over there this year. Somebody told me today and I don't know if this is accurate or not but we're spending like one hundred million dollars in Haiti. Well I'd much it's rather spend and we've got more troops in Haiti now than we do in Afghanistan. I'd much rather have our troops and our money being spent in Haiti then then Afghanistan and Iraq Act but the fact of the matter is. We can't afford any of it. We have people here who are broken. Going bankrupt tune who don't have health care and who are losing their homes and and what the hell you know. When does it end? When do we start taking care of people at home or we talked about this before on your show but I I'm among those who consider the surge of have troops in Afghanistan to actually be a jobs program and I mean that's if you if you can take the point of view that the current military the industrial complex works as sort of a welfare or workfare program for seven states It makes a Lotta sense wars business and when there is no enemy for more than ten or fifteen eighteen years you had to create a new one and we have not declared wars since nineteen forty one. There is no such thing as a war on terror. You can't conquer terror. It's like saying the war on bad vibes so so you will war for Perpetual Peace Corps. Fidel called it. And it's GonNa keep going for a long time. Obama seems really determined to perpetuate this. We're not going to be able to out thug the Middle Eastern thugs and I'm on the side of any Christian any Jew or any Muslim who seeking a non-violent solution to these destructive conflicts but essentially it's a very old story it's the middle aged men on our side and the middle aged men on their side sending the young men out to die. And I'm afraid that this is again and part of our economy and when World War Two ended Harry Truman the choice to shift to a domestic economy or keep us at a war economy. He chose to keep us at a wartime economy again. That's why our defense budget now dwarfs all of their defense budgets combined There better be some aliens somewhere that the White House knows about and isn't telling us because there's no reason to justify royer current military budget you're right but but they're spending it. I mean it the war in Afghanistan. We're still in Iraq and and again I don't begrudge rudge anything. We're doing in Haiti but again when are they it. The Republicans are fine. Well I guess. They're not fine with US helping Haiti but they're fine with US spending these billions of dollars in Iraq and Afghanistan. But they don't want to give people at home healthcare Exactly that's exactly and that's a very simple formula. Don't forget to tell you a Republican friends if you don't believe in competition you're not a capitalist and if you don't don't believe in in saving American lives you're not a patriot and we spend all this money just to save American lives by fighting terror but not by fighting tumors. And if you don't believe in helping.

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"air america" Discussed on The Nicole Sandler Show

The Nicole Sandler Show

03:24 min | 11 months ago

"air america" Discussed on The Nicole Sandler Show

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"air america" Discussed on The Nicole Sandler Show

The Nicole Sandler Show

12:57 min | 11 months ago

"air america" Discussed on The Nicole Sandler Show

"To join us in in demanding a constitutional amendment to say once and for all the corporations are not persons. They're not living and breathing. Human beings like you me like your listeners. And they do not therefore have the protections under the First Amendment like people. Free speech is for people not corporations in the framers never intended to have the First Amendment PROTEC- back corporations. Well you're right and actually Thom Hartmann wrote a book on this subject And and from what I can remember it was really. It was a clerk who who sort of made a clerical error. And that's that that opinion has just carried through the ages now. Is there any way to do. We need a constitutional amendment to it. Was the Santa Clara case. Yes thank you Brian in Miami and the Chat Room. Is there any way to just go back and revisit that it was a clerk who worked for the railroad companies and say wait a minute. Let's re examine the this mistake that declared that corporations are entitled to the corporations are are people that they are. Have this person hood status Do Do we need a constitutional amendment to do that you know. Here's the history on this right. The Santa Clara case. You're absolutely right. Never never states in the decision and Tom Harborne is right on this as well. corporations are persons. It was in the head notes and it was written by law clerk with ties the railroad industry but the fact is is that in in Modern Day Supreme Court jurisprudence in the past twenty to thirty years corporations have become treated as persons under the First Amendment. There's now case law dating back to First National Bank of Boston. v Body and so forth where corporations are given free speech rights. You know somehow protected by the First Amendment to speak In in various contexts and today the decision extends now into the political process to actually spend money from their general treasury funds. You know unlimited fashion to influence our electoral election outcomes and that's the extreme conclusion of this corporate rights movement under the First Amendment. That's taken place over the past few decades but we have to return to the first two hundred years nation's consistory where that never was happening never treated that way. This is all designed as part of a corporate rights movement. And we've got to take back the first night we've got reclaim the First Amendment for people. Not Corporations and free speech for people to our people can go there click on an introductory video and learn more about how to join this campaign Eh. Absolutely and I've got links linked to free speech for people dot Org and the video posted on my website at radio or not dot com And you know I gotTa commend you guys you and and the people at at a public citizen for jumping on on it. You were ready. As soon as the decision was handed down. There was a press call today and in fact I recorded the entire thing and posted it online. You know what as soon as I get off the air. I'll put a link to that on radio or not dot com as well but there is a link to the recording of this conference call at free speech for people dot org so if anyone wants to listen to it. It's up there but you put together this coalition. who was ready to jump because this decision was not unexpected? Unfortunately fortunately it was not unexpected and the reason why a call that it was not unexpected. This is this case. Ultimately was focused around a movie. Called Hillary Louis. The movie That had been produced by this Organization Citizens United Virginia Conservative Virginia Advocacy Group and it was focused around challenging this particular provision of McCain Feingold campaign finance reform law passed in two thousand and two they dealt with political advertising Prior fire immediately prior to an election six days prior to a general election thirty days prior to a primary election and the and the effort was really to strike down that provision on the grounds who was unconstitutional and they try to demonstrate this movie somehow It should be able to be shown. Even though it was corporately funded and what it became with something so far far. Bigger the Supreme Court on its own asks for re argument in September of last year to focus around whether they should overturn this longstanding unprecedent and once they did that it was clear to all observers of this case that this was going down a very dangerous road and that the court was seriously obviously considering doing something far more radical than even the plaintiffs had sought in the case the citizens United Group. And that's why we built this coalition over the past several months. We were ready to go Obviously we wished we didn't have to You know push the button and make this happen and and and get this site to be live but we had to be ready because we knew the court was playing with this in this dangerous way and and we need to respond. We need to take back the first amendment. We cannot allow these five. I've justices to take the first amendment and give it to corporations that is not what the framers never intended absolutely not. If you're just joining us John Bonifaz with us. He is the legal director of voter action at Voter Action Dot Org and he's the director of this new campaign to get a constitutional amendment to clarify that corporations well. The First Amendment is for people corporations are not covered under First Amendment protections and corporations are not people So it's talk about the groups that are coming together and And what everybody is doing does it does different groups in the coalition have different responsibilities in in trying to move forward word with us. Well we we are going to broaden obviously beyond the initial partners that we have on this public citizen Voter Action Center for Policy and the American independent in business alliance but you know we are all joining together and building a grassroots campaign and we want to work with people all across the country at all levels to ensure. I'm sure that we have a broad public conscious about what the court has just done to do. Public Education around the nation and push for a constitutional amendment through the United States Congress. We've already been in contact with members of Congress including congresswoman Donna Edwards who's featured in that video that I- i- reference and it's clear that there will be other members to join her in calling for a constitutional amendment. And and and obviously we WANNA make sure. This debate happens immediately and that it moves forward in a concerted fashion. We recognize that a conscious. You'll men fight takes a long time. But we've gotTA start down this road now. In order to reclaim the first amendment reclaim. Mr Democracy I if we if we have to wait until a new court Nicole. WE'RE GONNA be waiting for a long time to try to revisit this decision. We've gotta make clear in the Constitution itself. It corporations are not persons under the First Amendment and the First Amendment for people not corporations now unfortunately Having getting getting a meant a constitutional amendment through is no easy feat I spoke with Donna Edwards a little while ago in a little bit later on this hour. We'll hear the interview. I did with her Can You let our listeners know for those of us who are not legal scholars or just having been in a history class lately. Wh How what. What does it take to get a constitutional amendment it takes it takes two thirds of the house in two thirds of the Senate to vote for the language of the amendment it sends sent tend to the states For three quarters of the states to ratify that that's one way another way is to have a contract convention which would open up the constitution two amendments of all all kinds were not pushing for that But we are pushing for Congress to take up this debate amelie. We know that this this decision. It has sent shockwaves throughout Congress every one of those numbers congress is now vulnerable to being targeted by Corporate America. And and the kind of money that corporate America can spend in their elections will far outweigh any kind of money that they've been able to raise up until this point even high-spending candidates and what they can raise so you know there are other important principles here in reforms that need to be advanced. Public Funding Elections Elections is clearly one of them. But we have to recognize what the court has done today. So radical and such a direct attack on our democracy that a constitutional amendment. It's not necessary in our nation's history. We have responded in kind to egregiously wrong. Decisions of this court. Impacting our democracy with a constitutional the amendment now again is one of those historical moments where we have stand up and demand that amendment be placed into the constitution so okay so the first stab APP really is for people to go to free speech for people dot Org and get involved Contact are members of Congress are senators senators and urged them to get in on this. And then what happens. Take us through. The process of what's going to happen to get this done. There will be hearing said before the Judiciary Committee's each of both the Senate and the House. If we have bills me moved forward and both the Senate and house there will then be a floor debate. I in both chambers and there will be a vote and then it will become a focus on the state's with three quarters of the states need to ratify this amendment in the process of doing this. We obviously work to build a broad based grassroots movement that also pushes back against the courts so that is newer cases. Come up through the courts. We have a legal environment in. which judges are recognizing that the people do not stand for this that there's popular uprising against this kind of ruling going? And that they want it to be revisited in to be changed and the amendment is being pushed to ensure the corporations no longer be treated as persons. All these pieces. He's half to be moving forward at the same time together in concert and I think it's critical that we have people join us at free speech for people to sign China get involved. We need every single concerned person around this nation. Who is ready to help us? This is not going to happen by some Washington. led had a coalition. It's going to be a broad base campaign but people all across the nation. All right we are speaking with John. Bonifaz who is the director of this new campaign. That is all coming together under the umbrella of free speech for people dot org pushing for a constitutional amendment now. There was a conference call as I mentioned earlier this afternoon which I did record and I will post a link to the audio Right after the show at radio or not dot com but on it you were on it along with with Robert Weisman and Scott Nelson Public citizen and Lisa Gilbert of US public interest what is US public interest research research group group and she was talking about two other intermediate fixes. That there were that you guys are all working on. One is Shareholder accountability the act and the other is the fair elections. Act Can you shed a little light on. Those sure is a fair elections now. Act is the public funding measure. I reference which is basically to you bring to the national level. What is happening in some key states like Maine in Arizona In Connecticut where public funding elections has level. The playing aim field has brought people into the political process otherwise would never be able to run for office and has enabled those who participated in the private money. Drenched System topped out of that and and move into a publicly financed system where they can meet with the voters and talk about the issues of the day rather than focus around raising money From fat cats and and the public funding measure at the national level mirrors that effort. It's the fair elections now acted sponsored and led by Senator Dick Bourbon and it is something that is critical to to support shareholder legislation that leads to reckon referenced in in the call all deals with the idea that we ought to also respond to this ruling by requiring greater corporate governance and having shareholders essentially sign off And vote on any kind of expenditure by corporations When managing wants to spend money in political campaigns now I think both measures are are important? But I do want to emphasize that at the end of the day. We've got to deal with the core question here. Which is a corporation are not persons? Under the First Amendment they do not have protections protections under the First Amendment there artificial state entities the framers never intended for corporations to have free speech rights..

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"air america" Discussed on The Nicole Sandler Show

The Nicole Sandler Show

06:34 min | 11 months ago

"air america" Discussed on The Nicole Sandler Show

"He should go And check out some of those pages all share them with you as the evening goes on But so it was. It was shortly after five o'clock this afternoon. I posted an update that I was going to have congressman Alan Grayson on the air tonight and Congresswoman Woman Donna Edwards and John Bonifaz WHO's coming up in just a moment all coming on the show tonight and Somebody instant messaged me on on on facebook and said. Didn't you hear about Air America. I said what are you talking about. And she said well Air America is Is Ceasing live broadcast. Like where'd you hear that she said on the website. Go check in sure enough. I went there and saw the note that probably in most of you have seen by now that Air America You know what I should pull it up and read it to you. Well you know. What if you're watching on the stream you know what happened happened? Basically it's a tough economic climate for everybody let alone in the radio industry and You know sure enough. They they They folded today. They went chapter seven. Not Chapter Eleven. There is no reorganizing. It's it's done Nada out of it and no no heather chase in the chat. Just said what didn't they even tell you. Well I did. I did get a phone call about ten minutes later. And apparently you know at broke and Faster faster than they could make the phone calls We you know the word spread like wildfire. So here we are. I'm not sure what the future holds. I know that thank goodness. I started this use dream thing a couple of weeks ago so we have this but I'm going to figure out ways to do the audio stream only and there's probably a way I can even get it off your gotta figure all this stuff out while I look for job because you know gotta pay the bills. But in the meantime they're out. Yes text betsy. You were the first to tell me. And she is in the chat room while you're already here I don't have to you know I've got the re. Are you working the way I'm doing things but we do have a good show for you tonight and we are going to explain what is going on with the Supreme Court. What this all means and Well we we sort of have to do this on the fly. Because I don't have anybody in New York you know making calls for me any longer so our first guest tonight. It is John Bonifaz. He is the legal director of voter action at Voter Action Dot Org and he's the director of a new campaign for a constitutional amendment mend. -ment clarifying that. Corporations are not covered under the First Amendment that corporations are not people right so Let's do this. Let's call John and As soon as it God. I really should've brought Kleenex. Excuse me Next time I'll learn all right. It should be ringing now and when John There's John. Hey it's Nicole Sandler you're live on radio or not and got a lot of people listening to the Stream online and I thank you for joining us tonight. I'm honored to be on your show. Nicole thank you well. I'm honored to have you as my first guest in the Post Air America era. I guess we have to put it that way now But you know what you what happened. Today is so important part of me. I thought well let me. Just take a long weekend and a regroup and come back Monday and but you know what I've been leading up to this night for so long. Speaking with with people like our our mutual friend. David Swanson about this ruling. That was GONNA be coming down. I had John Nichols from the nation on just last week to warn and listeners about what was coming and unfortunately What we thought was going to happen did happen today? So John Bonifaz. You are the legal director of voter action at Voter Action Dot. Org can you explain to our listeners. Exactly what the Supreme Court did today. The Supreme Court engaged aged in a radical departure from century-old precedent that has held. The corporations are prohibited from spending money in our elections in political campaigns. For more than a hundred years we have recognized. The dangers of allowing artificial state entities created by state corporations Sion's which are designed to aggregate wealth from allowing those entities to come into the political process in drought ordinary voices citizens speech. And the fact is what we have. Today now is a ruling that throws all that press in out the window and says the corporations may spend from their general an old treasury funds up to the sky billions and billions of dollars. Like we've never seen before. In United States history will now be spent by corporations in our elections if you can imagine the top fortune one hundred companies in two thousand eight alone made prophets at six hundred billion dollars ars combined compared to a total of spending of three billion dollars buys a political action committees and political parties combined last year. So clearly we're dealing with a whole new source of money coming in the political process that will further drown out ordinary citizens speech. Now do you know so how this whole this idea arose of corporations as persons the idea that corporations were entitled to protections under the First Amendment. It isn't actually a fairly recent Doctrine that the Supreme Court has enunciated dealing with corporations under the First Amendment for nearly two hundred years of our nation's history. We have never treated corporations as persons and under the First Amendment only in the past thirty some years led by Lewis Powell prior to becoming justice. Lewis Powell he let he wrote it memorandum random for the US Chamber of Commerce advising that corporations get behind a new campaign to use the first amendment to shield themselves from accountability and to strike down laws arguing free speech and ultimately he became Justice Powell actually soon after that memorandum and ended up writing some the first opinions articulating the corporations should be treated as persons under the First Amendment so this is a relatively new doctrine.

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"air america" Discussed on The Nicole Sandler Show

The Nicole Sandler Show

04:05 min | 11 months ago

"air america" Discussed on The Nicole Sandler Show

"A special edition of the Nicole Sandler. Show today's Monday January twentieth. Two Thousand Twenty. Which would make tomorrow? The twenty-first I know tomorrow also happens to be the day that the Senate will begin the impeachment trial of Donald Trump. So obviously that's GonNa take take precedence over everything else when it comes to the news so I thought I would Since I'm currently not doing a show on Mondays use today to bring bring us back ten years in time ten years ago today was the day that the Supreme Court handed down its ruling in the citizens united versus purses Federal Elections Commission case. And it was not a good one. It basically underscored a rule. It was never a supreme court decision. Decision was never Anything that they came up with. It was I believe a clerks notations in the margins of another case case that said corporations are people but this ruling on citizens united basically underscored that opinion. Double down on it. If you will L. and alleged that money is speech the more money you have the more you can speak go figure it's democracy at work so that happened on January twenty first two thousand ten. At the time I was hosting a nightly show on Air America Radio I was on from eleven pm. Am to one am eastern and we expected the citizens united ruling to come down that day. So I was prepping my show for that that when it shortly I it was certainly after five o'clock right around five PM. I was alerted by a listener that something was going on over at Air America. Oh and what it wound up. Being was the end of Air America radio so I thought what we do today on the day before for the tenth anniversary of that auspicious moments in history. is is Go back and listen to a rebroadcast of that show. So if you're interested in it was actually a fascinating show We had John Bonifaz of free speech for people. We had then Congressman Alan Grayson. We had comedian. John fugel thing I know I played a little bit of music in there and I'm not quite sure all what else happened but it was a two hour show ten years ago tomorrow a slice of life and boy things haven't gotten any easier since anyway here you go. Oh special edition of the Nicole Sandler Show podcast and one of my favorite show opens as well that I can't use anymore because of Youtube and copyright violations go figure witch brings me to another dilemma. I have video of this. We were on you stream back then not youtube and I can't put this on Youtube for obvious houst- reasons but we do have video for you. It'll be posted on my show page on the blog. Page Nicole Sandler dot com slash one Dash Twenty Dash Twenty. If you like to watch take it away. Time machine the end. The Lord is something become keeps me drowsy. The thing is that same all just little bitter. History Rid Fiji. Oh you have no idea. It is history repeating. I can't tell you how many times.

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"air america" Discussed on The Nicole Sandler Show

The Nicole Sandler Show

01:36 min | 11 months ago

"air america" Discussed on The Nicole Sandler Show

"Land we have We've been able to set the agenda so the we will not be Inundated with sixteen or seventeen minutes an hour of commercials which one of the things that I really can't stand about Talk Korea and And we'll try to keep the sponsorships as relevant as we can But it's a really big thing for us in the opportunity to To finally have sustainable commercial business model Not just for US book for you and the other shows that's You know they can't can't overstate. It's important that's awesome. I didn't even know that part. I just throwing it out there with hopes. It's twenty twenty after all Hopefully things will start to regenerate and our business will come back because you and I both have extensive radio histories before Air America and a shame. What's happened to our industry but it's a topic for another day too because you hear the music and we're coming close to the end of the Hour Johnson? Thank you so much for spending the time with us as I said it's so it's it is a bittersweet anniversary up the great work it's bittersweet anniversary but I'm awfully happy to celebrate with you. Thank you so much. It's always great to talk with you and I I look forward to talking about what comes next. Take Care John Thanks so much pleasure. Thanks Nicole you too bye bye all right and with that. We're at the end of another show. Thank thank you. Everybody have a great weekend and we'll next week. It's impeachment time here we go by..

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"air america" Discussed on The Nicole Sandler Show

The Nicole Sandler Show

15:48 min | 11 months ago

"air america" Discussed on The Nicole Sandler Show

"I did it from my home studio here in Florida so I was never really part of what went on there. I wasn't privy to the INS and outs I did A. I was in New York a couple of times during the when I was on the air for them and did the show Joe from the studio but again. I was in there at eleven o'clock at night so I wasn't around when when the people were around. I just knew that there were there. Were problems in the back end again. The programming was nine. There were some great program and as you mentioned. Look what it gave us. I mean Rachel Matto Marc Maron By the way that morning show I always thought was brilliant. I would wake up in the more you know. I'm I'm a radio lifer but I would tune in Marc Maron earned because I thought his monologues his comedy bits. His sensibility was so unique in morning radio. I think you did a great job in finding him and putting running in their thanks. It was It was called morning sedition morning suggestively on words and I am not a morning person The best time of day for me I lived in Atlanta and commuted to New York so I didn't really happen reason not to be at work. You Know Sixteen eighteen hours a day but the best. It's time for me was when Janine and Sam Ron From six to ten and originally I think and at night because it was quiet and in all the office politics in the horrible crap that we took from Fox News and that establishment. None of that was manifest during during the night. Show so you could sit in the studio with those cards and really enjoy the fruits of your labor and I would turn around and be back there at six thirty in the mornings so I could sit. Sit in the control room and watch merit We've with those characters and it was up to me and I've been involved in some really great morning shows through the years including Don Imus and Howard Stern To me this was the most fun I well. I agree and I never worked with Marc Maron though I wanted wanted to and I came out of you know I produce mark and Brian when we ruled the morning airwaves in Los Angeles so we both had experienced with big major market morning shows and Marc Maron offered something unique and different and I was devastated when it was after you left and before I got there when they killed off morning sedition. I just did not understand that and there are a lot of moves. I didn't understand but it wasn't for me to question what happened happened. Yeah well I can just tell you the powers that be. I was still there and it was it was it was one of the things the that ensured that I would leave That I believe that it was it was in in the fall of. I WANNA say two thousand seventeen could be wrong But the the management that had been That had superseded superseded my I was the founding president of the network and and as more money came in the money wanted its own people and that of course is fine and I got to concentrate on programming programming. Also find That they were the kinds of wonderful and we need them wonderful progressives liberals that they were the ones without much of a sense of humor brand they could not understand what morning sedition was all about. Why's he why are they having so much fun? uh-huh serious because we have over three million entertainment right. That's the thing that I would have arguments people first and foremost it's if it's an entertainment medium. It's great to have a message but you've got to deliver it in an entertaining way. And that's what they didn't understand. Oh Nicole you have no no idea how much crap I took from the radio industry for having hired non radio people with the exception of Randy Rhoads the all the people I hired were from television film politics to a certain extent stand up comedians Because as you say if it's Kloner Taming or what are you doing exactly you're just wasting just droning on right so so here we are ten years later. We'll okay so you left. You went on. I don't know what you did for awhile. Then after our America went away we had it was like the great wasteland you can drive and there were there were still. You've you know. Progressive Radio stations around the country until there weren't clear channel for instance while Air America. While you were there America I was doing mornings on. WINZ Lee Y and Z and Miami. We were an Air America affiliate But we're I hosted the morning show I. I was let go by clear channel in typical clear channel fashion. It was the Friday before the Democratic convention was set to begin on Monday. It was that Friday it was in August of two thousand eight it it just before the two thousand eight elections and they clear channel in their ultimate wisdom. We had just beaten W. I. O. D. in mornings the big clear channel rush limbaugh station. The News Talk. We beat them in a monthly arbitron book. And that's when I was fired. Isn't it interesting how that works. And they took me off in preparation to flip. WINZ to become South Florida's Fourth Sports Talk Station. 'cause we native four instead of one progressive talker down here which we still don't have And and it was after that that started filling in on Air America. And all that. When did you get the idea to launch the progressive voices network Sh- So let me think You Know I. I helped l. With the original center ray soon so probably two thousand don't Nine or so. So the original sales Executive I had brought up from Atlantic read. Haggard is one of my partners. Here's an progressive voices Read had come to me and said. Hey it's it's it's great but we didn't get to finish but let's finish and now l.. The Internet affords us the ability to do this without the clear. Channels of the world without being Subject to the vagaries of of these affiliate relationships and and and the only thing that read said to me that I thought was sort of compelling was he said look one of the reasons we could make a stand with their America. America was because Our air quote now Controversy Oh programming WH- was unsustainable sustainable. Because I couldn't find any advertise weren't scared to death of us and we were blacklisted. By everybody from American Express to To Xerox walks you know basically eight or eight X and As and as your listeners may note if you listen to terrestrial talk radio or talk radio on Sirius. Xm Very few of the advertisements are General Motors. coca-cola Sprint and rising is it. You know for the most part they are shrink your prostate grow your hair miracle get rich quick Cord goal. So they're they're they're. They're not your traditional advertisers. who were all afraid of us so read says to me and what I think was probably around two thousand nine And there's your gather. I'm not good with dates. I can remember my wedding anniversary of the Read says to me you know. I think times have changed changed and I think though I can probably get some mainstream advertisers to come along. He says but in that but why don't we hedge our bet and why don't we create progressive progressive voices as a double bottom line company. And I said tell me more. I don't know what that means. And he said well we'll have a commercial entity As a limited it'd liability corporation and we'll have a five oh one C.. Three non profit and that way foundations will be able to fund us and we'll be able to take their money and and He said you know we're not going to get rich to anyway. So why don't we do the most viable option. So sure enough We did that and when we put it on the air in what I believe was late. Two thousand nine or when we put the stream up With our third partner a guy named George Vassil Lopez who is a tech wiz. New Haven Connecticut We we discovered that we were a lot more successful raising money. It's the foundation level. Then we were in attracting serious mainstream advertisement. That'll didn't happen until about two thousand twelve or thirteen when MSNBC had had a big breakthrough in when starting getting You know American Airlines and and Verizon real mainstream advertisers so it was a bit of a Mish Mosh but I wanna WanNa say an answer to your question I wanna say that it was two thousand nine okay and so did well. Then it's been going for a while because here we are. It's two thousand twenty now listeners. Owners know the last couple of weeks have been rough progressive voices. We're speaking Johnson. Who along with George Reed? Run the progressive voices network Something happened over the holidays. We were hit by CRYPTO virus. What yeah something I had never heard of me or initially? We thought it was is one of those ransom read about where hospitals and cities have been held tossed it And and they can't unlock their data until Jose. Pay The ransom and so when we got knocked off the air in Michigan. I wanted to say that it was well. It was right before Christmas when we got knocked out off the air. We we thought the next email was going to be from the kidnappers. Right there was gonna be a ransom demand and there was And so we began to realize. Is this crypto virus which nobody by the way and we had some pretty good minds working on it At Westwood one at a company called white orbit or two vendors enders who who operate the servers and controlled network aspect of what we do They were scratching their heads. Excuse me and they said well you know we. This is a new one. This is the CRYPTO virus. We haven't seen this before and All of our data was encrypted. We couldn't break it open and nobody sent a ransom demand so it became clear to us that it was a political sabotage. Somebody's trying to shut us up and You know fortunately our Georgia tech people had the foresight to take our on demand product. The podcasting podcasting product that you get on the website or APP and move it When we when we debut it was always on a separate server server not worked? Okay we control that and it didn't go through three or four different networked stages that could be violated. So there wasn't there so so they they were unable to affect that aspect of our Product But it did take a couple of weeks to rebuild with a lot of up from Westwood. One and wide orbit to rebuild schedules and to rebuild the network and and then most recently The last week or so We've noticed that somehow they've gotten back in We're feeding US making us feed double. Yeah and I'm sure they're hearing George every you know I'm in my studio and I turn on the Stream. It's like uh-huh Tex George. I'm so sorry sorry to have to tell me okay. So yeah it's been an ongoing thing just happened right before I came on the air again so but but there's there are changes just coming where progressive voices is moving from Westwood one in wide orbit to a new home. Is that something that we can talk about it. It is so so you know we've always been partners winners with tune in which is a mass aggregating of of the Audio And as you may or may not know tune in has the Major League Baseball Franchise for audio as well as the nfl the NHL Ah and something on the order of like eight or nine thousand radio stations. They have over fifty million Average monthly users and We we we like them. We've always been close with them. And we've always used tune in as a distribution point but they have never controlled the distribution abused will. They're a technology company out of Silicon Valley. And I much as we love white orbit and Westwood One. Those guys you know they pretty much all come from radio and they have the same experience that we do the the people tune in have a very different experience. It's much We hope but much more robust and much more secure system that Excuse me has has. I'm knocking on wood as I say this knocked impact and on February third I think is the now the date now set in stone We will transition completely to tune in and We're and we're told that our worries about at these kinds of problems of attack will will be over. So we're really looking forward to that. And I know that our million plus Daily listeners are as well absolutely so February third. Okay now. This is the first I heard today. And what we're talking about is once that's in place. Hopefully I moved my show to where I'm live at five o'clock clock eastern on the progressive voices network. Instead of as I'm doing it now Doing a live show at three and then turning it around and uploading it to the server so it airs on TV at Five Live We want to move it to the live program there which makes it easier for people to call in for me to take calls to be more timely in terms of the latest. That's news exactly. That's one of the major benefits of going to tune in and the other one. Nicole is that because their platform is is is so huge and reaches as I say fifty million users There'll be there. There will be promotion that we could never a have afforded before and so our hope and expectation is that the audience will will grow in the first year from one. Went from about a million to about three million and We think this is the right year to to have that happen. That would be awesome and then hopefully Not that not that. I'm clamoring for commercials because it was radio person. Clutter that we don't need but both progressive voices you you guys need to bring in some revenue and the shows like mine need to bring in some revenue and so. I'm hoping that this will be a viable business model going forward. There's a way that once it's more stable and all that we can hope to you know bring in some more revenue and get some advertising. Yeah Yeah you're exactly right and I guess I sort of buried the lead there Ah You know right now. The most important thing is the stability and security but prior to December. The most important thing to us was. Let's see if we can generate some revenue beer and Kenan has the ability to do do that With a big national sales force..

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"air america" Discussed on The Nicole Sandler Show

The Nicole Sandler Show

09:41 min | 11 months ago

"air america" Discussed on The Nicole Sandler Show

"Your dogs. Don't Yeah Don. Yeah Ah thank you Stephen Colbert this one really. It helped to see the video because it was a take off on Clifford. The big Red Dog for those of you who haven't had a little kid around in the last twenty two years or so good. Stop those coal dolphins that they produce for late the late show. Stephen Colbert are as I've said before a Hit and miss. Sometimes they're just they're just not funny but but occasionally you know when they hit it spot on. They hit it out of the park. That was one of those. So thank you Stephen Colbert. And you're welcome to the AD Revenue Stream oops oops there is no ad revenue. Because I can't monetize my youtube channel anymore. Hey all right so let me. Just throw this out here now. If you feel oh compelled to help keep this program going because you are my one source of income people. Listen to this show or watch as the case may be Your support is what pays my salary and the only way that happens. Because I don't have my show behind a paywall because I know there are still so many people hurting from two thousand was an eight. Hello that I can't afford to go out and pay five ten fifteen dollars a month for podcast so You know I and I know there are a lot of people in my boat that I do know. There are a lot of people listening who have no money problems at all. So if you can't afford it and that's it's a big if if you can't afford it enjoyed the show please chip in do a one time. Contribution or a monthly sustaining contribution subscription as it. were her again. I'm not gonNA tell you you can't listen to the show if you don't pay it's radio. I know it's sort of. I'm old school radio when it was free. You turn on the radio and there it was in you paid by listening to commercials well. I don't have commercials either. I do the public radio model. Which means you know we do pledge drive or public radio? Did I used to work in public radio and I rarely do that. I rarely ask you for money. So I'm I am telling you now I really need it. It lost the income from Amazon. Because they didn't like the way I used an Amazon portal instead of trying to coerce you into buying individual products. which is the way they like you to do it? So that's gone and I don't have a paywall. My podcast are wide open. The show is free. I I and I hope you'll share it with people like minded people who want to hear an irreverent progressive with brain. Who knows how to read? Who understands the news news and those a little bit of history you know and tries to do it with sense of humor? Please tell them to check out my show and now if you can afford it and you appreciate what you hear Please donate. There's a a a a if you've got a Nicole Sandler DOT COM. There's a donate page page. Look right along the right along the top of the page under the logo. There's a navigation bar and one of them says donate and gives you all the ways to donate and only to streamline line it just I hate this stuff in case you can't tell. This is my least favorite part of what I do is asking for money but it is what it is all right so so if you looked at the headline yes and public. Radio has ads as does public television if you turn on a show like we watch stuff on PBS. Yes all the time. The first five minutes is an underwriting. A scroll that goes on literally for five minutes telling you the names and businesses that have underwritten this program. It's called underwriting messages. Not Commercial so that makes it all OK case you're wondering but while we're on the subject of Radio that is our topic for today now. We don't do a show Mondays although I'm Hoping to change that in the in the coming weeks frankly I enjoy working afford day week. But I'm I'm fine with doing five shows a week league. If if we have an outlet to do it in so I'll broach that subject perhaps a little later and you'll understand why when it all comes together on today's show but in ten years so anyway I don't do a show Monday sore next show after today's Tuesday now Tuesday is January. Twenty first Tuesday is the day that the impeachment trial in the Senate will begin. I don't know what that entails. But we'll we'll cover whatever is going on. Obviously that is a historic moment in American history. It's only the third time it's ever gotten this far. You're that an impeachment. Trial will be convened in the US Senate. So that's what we're going to deal with on the twenty-first so I figured today I should deal with the twenty-first now you might remember three years ago. January twenty first. Two thousand seventeen was the day after an inauguration. Yeah that was the day of the women's March. I know you're out there we were. We were here We did the women's March down in Miami if I remember correctly And it was massive. It was massive not only nationally but internationally possibly quite an I think I believe the biggest day of protests in this country in our history. I could be wrong. I believe that's the case and frankly most of us were out protesting the fact that Donald Trump the day before took the oath of office. Yes because yes I believe. He's an illegitimate president. I do not believe he won. I think we need to change things so that the winner of the popular vote becomes president because frankly the last two republican presidents both one ostensibly by losing the popular vote. So we need to fix that right and we should have done it during the eight years. That Barack Obama held the White House just saying WOULDA COULDA Shoulda. I'm really good at that game anyway. But that wasn't the worst I January twenty first ever actually I would. I would posit that. That was actually a pretty good January twenty first because although we were a nation in mourning that day okay we came together to say Fuck No. This man does not represent me and here we are now on the eve of the impeachment trial trial in the Senate and yes make no mistake. He Pelosi said Donald Trump has been impeached and will remain in for life. He has an impeached president. Can't yes all right so but January twenty first ten years ago that would have been January twenty first two thousand ten and do you remember what happened that day it was a double sided whammy. We got hit twice. The first blow which we knew was coming was the Supreme Court's ruling on citizens united versus the FTC. The Federal Elections Commission and We do the we knew the decision was gonNA come down and it did sometime midday sometime like around ten. Am Now on that day. Ten years ago this week I was hosting the late night program on Air America Radio I was on from eleven pm to one. Am Eastern I did it from my home. I I was actually living in Miami at the time it's before I moved in with David before I knew David and Actually we had met while I was on your America. That's right UH sorry my dates mixed up anyway so I did my show from my home studio in Miami and I was preparing my a show for that night to go on the earned. Eleven o'clock knowing that I was going to deal with citizens united and lining up guests and I had I had made nate because I was on an eleven o'clock at night I would pre-tape a lot of the interviews because it was hard to get some guests on it. You know eleven thirty or midnight or twelve thirty in the morning. Think so. At five o'clock I was scheduled to call then Congressman Alan Grayson again to talk about citizens united and But about five minutes before before I called him before it was scheduled to call him. I get an instant message from a listener. Betsy is her name. She an instant message on on facebook. And she she says did. Did you hear what happened with their America. And I'm like what are you talking about. And she alerted me to the fact that Air America was done was over and Dan. I it's what in fact rather than me recount the story for you. Let's go back in time shall we. Let's go into the way back machine. I'm GonNa play you just a short clip. It's about five minutes or so. This was the start of my show on on January twenty first two thousand ten ten years ago. This coming Tuesday which wasn't on your well. It wasn't on Air America because by that time Air America had ceased live operations. Here's how the show started..

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"air america" Discussed on WCPT 820

WCPT 820

01:36 min | 1 year ago

"air america" Discussed on WCPT 820

"That's really about it you indicated that those same articles in March that included the smear campaign also included allegations related to Ukraine's interference in the twenty sixteen election and the charisma bite in connection that right yes so I'm gonna and my questioning where we were before which was the July twenty fifth call and president trump not only insults you and praises the corrupt prosecutor general but he also is you know by now references these two investigations first immediately after presidents Lansky thanks president trump for his vote the history of Air America lives here this is W. C. P. T. eight twenty Chicago's progressive talk where facts matter the host of stated belief radio whether it's domestic politics are international terrorism these days every thing it seems gets impacted by religious rhetoric on our show we challenge assumptions and check with the constitution to make sure that the language of space is mis use what to vote for or who to vote for you can get married and deserve full.

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"air america" Discussed on Chapo Trap House

Chapo Trap House

02:49 min | 1 year ago

"air america" Discussed on Chapo Trap House

"The literacy, Janine Garoppolo was the only person who was allowed on television to say we shouldn't go to a war with Iraq, because they wouldn't let anyone else on it. So she was recruited by this organization win without war because she was the only person they would let on, and they would do that, because they'd invite her on desperate davir on because she was great ratings particularly on FOX because they love to see, you know, young women who are, you know, uppity. Yeah, get attacked that is like catnip for them. And so they invite are on in the first question would be like, how dare you come on here as an actress insen tell us why we shouldn't go to war, so air America launches with Al Franken, Rachel, Maddow, and Liz Winstead, and Chuck d how to show in the morning. And Marc Maron had a show in the early morning with a couple of other folks Al Franken, and then Randy Rhoads, who was a, a left wing talker from Florida, but just all local. It was newly there was there was definitely local. Yeah. It was local. The problem was it was started by a guy who told everyone that he had had a brain tumor. And that he had had a revelation that he needed to do something to get, you know, we were losing the messaging war because there was no messenger at all. And just literally no commercial media. This is like a Felix started a company. I have a brain tumor. I can't be alone right now, will you and your comedian friends come to my house and record a daily radio program. It was it was very much like that it was insanity. And it turns out the guy was. Lying about how much money he had raised in took a while to find this out, basically came to a head and people can watch this element of the of the period of, of air America. There was a, there was a documentary called maybe I think it was left of the dial or something like that on HBO. My understanding is that a lot of us had not gotten paid. But I was come from the sitcom world. And I was like I don't really care like I mean I thought I was just going to do. We're rolling in the Gary Busey money. And we were just like we need to do something for the next six months before this election. And so a lot of us had had checks that we're bounced, and they would just say, like, well, there was some confusion and Bubba and it all came to a head when Franken who had not been paid for longtime. The guy sent him a sentence considerably Ari with a big envelope that supposedly had all the receipts for the checks. They in the opened it up, and it was just newspaper random newspaper clip..

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"air america" Discussed on WCPT 820

WCPT 820

01:39 min | 1 year ago

"air america" Discussed on WCPT 820

"Office in itself before he gets all the other crimes in office. Right. Twenty nine minutes after the hour Suskind connects. History of air America. Let's hear this is w CPT eight twenty Chicago's progressive talk. We're fax manner. I'm Ellen Miller co host about Chicago, and this is w CPT civil rights snapshot in eighteen forty eight at Seneca, falls, New York. Two hundred women gathered at a convention to discuss the social civil and religious condition and rights of women. They created a declaration of sentiments grievances that included among other issues a woman's right to vote they face public ridicule. But nevertheless, this gathering marked the beginning of the women's suffrage movement. Some seventy two years later the right to vote for women was enshrined in the US constitution. The nineteenth amendment was ratified August eighteenth nineteen twenty. It's noteworthy that some of the women who attended the Seneca falls convention were no longer alive to see their dream. Come true. This is a good lesson for us political sees we planned today may not bloom for decades, you can learn more about the women's suffrage movement at history dot com. And please stay vigilant about our civil rights. The fight is never over. Humans. We ask ourselves all kinds of questions. But what if we were forced to ask ourselves a question every day? That affected the outcome of the most basic things the most important things in our lives..

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"air america" Discussed on EAA's The Green Dot - An Aviation Podcast

EAA's The Green Dot - An Aviation Podcast

06:14 min | 2 years ago

"air america" Discussed on EAA's The Green Dot - An Aviation Podcast

"Too. But. The go-to through the chopper pickup. So well, finish your piece of the peace of the flight and how to where did you end up and then. Okay. Well, I didn't have time to get out on that pass when they were all going right, and she shaken and clattering and the banging stopped. And I figured piece of Kim off and said lined it up again, not really where I wanted to be, but close enough a lot of clearings down there and locked the controls killed right engine and pushed propeller level full forward. So I had a lot of flat plate drag and right side and exit stage door left, and I went full delta trying to get more into the drop zone. I wanted to be an before I pulled now how many people have jumped. On a bucket list. Okay. Well, sports roots are beautiful, right? They leave comes off the canopy and it stands you up and tightens up the harness, and it shoot opens and his wonderful. It's very comfortable. The standard parachute, the canopy opens first, and then the shroud lines come tight and you get blood blisters on the top, your shoulders where the harnessed get you and also in your crotch, where the straps art, and you'd better have those tight, or you're gonna change your vocal. But I landed down near shook the shoot, and when over this little clearing and it wasn't very big. But chopper that came in Bob to roll. He tried to land and he hit his tail rotor in the tree tops and charged me with branches. Again, you fall fall on me. You know, I'm going to really be mad, but the picked back up and put the sling down. I rode the swing up and on board. He had wounded and one guy across from me after I got in the cabin, he had a puddle of vomit between these boots and bloody arm and kind of knew how he felt. But we didn't go very far because the damage to the tail rotor so shaken real bad. And we landed on the old Japanese airstrip and came to a stop and shut down when Bob came down out of the calculate. So he called for another chopper and he'd be there and a little bit while it was about a half an hour, but we had to lose on board the chopper so we all hunkered down in the elephant grass and waited. And when he came in, he overflew us and landed about two to three hundred meters away. And she's, we have to carry wounded over this guy in arrest of that and asking, what? Why did you do that? He says, you guys are in a minefield. Well, they couldn't have been very good minds. But the wounded maxed him out. So he took off with the wounded and called for another chopper and finally, the other chopper came in and we got in that one and got the edge of the plateau. Edible von is your large Mesa, and he ran out of gas. We oughta rotated down a little near a little village in a rice Patty. We didn't know it's a friendly villager unfriendly village. But as we flared out one of our eight thirty, four twin packs with two Garrett engines in it pulled up alongside and he had gun mounts on it. So that was great and road that the rest of the way into the park say, and that one made it all the way back made it all the way back. But I walked into the office there and tall man saw me with a Uzi in my hand and Canada thought. This was going to be the end of days. And I said, who's gonna get the beer and said, I will, I will. And he's smoked out of there and gray FOX at, you know, kept Nansen. He's not gonna come back. I said, well, then he's smarter than I thought he was. So now Neil, some of these. Some of these exploits sound a little bit familiar to people because of the film they? Yes. They feel mayor mayor America with Gibson Robert Downey, junior and. Can you just step us through a little bit of that? What are your impressions of it? What was your involvement? And I know you and I have did a presentation with right or not that long ago, but that's about the movie. Okay. The movie was a movie. It wasn't real life. It was well done in the respect that air America. We're name air America wasn't known by anybody prior to that. Was it a documentary? Hell? No, they can't pay Robert Downey and Mel Gibson eight million dollars in make a documentary expect to break even. But no, it was. It was well done. Like John ASCA said, they patterned Mel Gibson kind of after my character. They read the book air American, right? And he he did a decent job of the thing that some of the, the plot of the the drug thing was off base, but it did happen. But the. Skins were running that don't really, and it. It was pretty damn decent. A lot of good flying scenes on the shootdown. They didn't do the bail out thing. They crash-landed, but of course have made dramatic thing. And also the thing about diving porter into the back of the fuselage. Right, which is good. So anything in the movie that. That people would assume was was fake, but. Would be surprised to know that that was actually fairly accurate. Shootdown was as far as them flying helicopters and

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"air america" Discussed on EAA's The Green Dot - An Aviation Podcast

EAA's The Green Dot - An Aviation Podcast

09:06 min | 2 years ago

"air america" Discussed on EAA's The Green Dot - An Aviation Podcast

"Burning. No. I said, you know, I'm fine. I got here in whether it was bad and made it here to Chicago, and I'll be going home tonight too. But I also wondered how he found out. 'cause with union, we never told anybody where we were going and somehow he knew. And his next question was, do you drink a lot while he didn't know pilots. Oh, no, sir. You know, I I'm sober enough to find the airplane. Thank. And he says, what can we have? We ready to go in two weeks. I says, well. I've got the job. He's, oh, yeah, you got the job. That's why I called. And I said, no, I'd like to give my employer at least three weeks notice so they can find a replacement. And he said, okay, three weeks, go back to Detroit and don't know how he knew I was out at eatright but and get a passport. So at this point, what do you think this job? Is that you've you've been hired? No, I didn't know anything. I'd look them up in the overseas airline Kyd and it only showed to airplanes Convair eight eighty and a DC six, really. And I thought, boy, you know, that's. Not a lot of airplanes, you know, but I'd like to fly either one of them, you know, that'd be fun. And so I went from there and send ya do that. And I got back to Detroit went down to the passport office and said, you know, I need a passport right away to go overseas for a job, and they should well not less than month to six weeks. And I said, well, I got a job that I'm supposed to be leaving here in two three weeks. They said, who for air America and I had a passport in five days. That kind of gave you a little warning signal. Can you walk us through what it was like leaving the United States and going to southeast Asia, know what type of airplane or did you go on your first impression when you got there? Okay. Yeah, the course the weeks went by rather fastness stream of drunken parties and things like that. And it ended up. I was on northwest oriented out of Detroit to Chicago, and then Chicago nonstop, not nonstop, but by Anchorage, Alaska then into Tokyo. And they gave you first class tickets, and I thought that was really eight and fifty dollars spending money. Well, back then fifty dollars would get you awful lot, but writing first class, you had free booze and all the rest of this stuff, you know, and that was great and ran across. One of the pilots was going over Jack Royer and one kicker that was on board too. So for those that don't know, kicker would be someone who in the back of the aircraft, right? He manages the cargo on loading and offloading in the air, of course, shoving it out the door. Waiting for it to hit the ground, but that was a great trip. Got Tokyo. And the next leg woodmen down to Taipei in Formosa which is now Taiwan and our ride there was on civil air transport, which was one of the companies involved in all of this big mess. And that airplane was just a dream. I've never seen any airplane in such decor that this one had a large gold dragon on the side of the airplane and the the golden thing was gold leaf. It wasn't phony stuff. And when you got on board, the front bulkhead in first class was carved mahogany of Phoenix and a dragon on one side and stewardesses. They changed costume three times in route from the flight from Tokyo to Taipei. They had a grading a Kosta. They had a serving costume. They had a departing costume. So they worked their tails off, which reminds me, Tom, it's time for your first cost. Yes, we'll cover if you want to. On your KOMO news. I see. Before we moved for the civil air transport, Chris, we were just talking about that the other day, so this, this was an airline that started in China, correct? Airline. And then and then head sort of was part of the amalgam of things that's right. Became Pacific holding corporation outta Delaware and the I found out before it left some of the union lawyers that this was a I peration which gave you great visions of -tarian pirates stuff. The rest of that. History. Milkin if yeah. That's right. The creator of of Steve canyon. That's right. We've talked about that TV show or movie episodes. So nice tie there. So I said, well, you more terrier more pirate. I'm not too sure. I think I was a pirate more else works at the Pacific holding corporation was owned by the Central Intelligence Agency and owned areas you own civil air transport. It owned air America, Arizona helicopters and a number of other things that were hidden. The agency had this and many other companies because they couldn't ask for funds to go into a neutral country and conduct wartime operations. So they're funding came from the backyard. Many companies here in America. One of the largest trucking companies and several others were inadvertently funding them. They didn't know who owned them. Interesting. So there's a running votes, legitimate for profit business. That's right and raising raising money that way. Diabolically clever. It's still going on. So one thing that I know about our America's kind of had an eclectic fleet over there. Can you tell us a little bit about the the types of aircraft you were flying during your career over in southeast Asia? Okay. I flew the DC six flew the DC three, the c, forty, six. The Beechcraft tend to the Beechcraft c forty, five Beechcraft bowl par- the door near DO twenty eight. And even to piper patchy. Can you tell me about your you have a great rundown of your flight? The did. I think it was in a DC six. You know the whole. Could you tell us about run? Oh yeah. Southern air transport was used to transport stars and stripes magazines or newspapers and troops throughout South East Asian two out of Tachikawa, Japan Okinawa Taiwan bad Clark field in the Philippines into Saigon and independ- cock, but every once in a while when you got into Clark field in the Philippines, they'd pull airplane over to the other side of the field and they'd strip off all the markings. There'd be no dentist, Asian as a US airplane at all. There'd be no in numbers or any other numbers on the airplane. You'd come out about two o'clock in the morning and find it loaded with munitions, and you get in that thing after leaving all your ID in operations, your wallet and everything else at it in a FIS. You and you take off out of Kadena. No. Flight plan. Heading for south East Asia, ten hour flight. And you'd fly five hundred feet off regular airline altitudes. So he didn't have a mid air and route. Go down to south East Asia land, offload stuff, turnaround refueling, and come on back. Same thing. He wouldn't make any radio contact until you're about, oh, fifty miles outside of Kadena and you call them. They just clear you to land that was last transmission. Do you here and you'd land. So. Are you at what point on the flyer you told where the destination was, or do you get that in advance? You get that when you go into operation. The nation, so you're planning your life, but you're not filing a flight plan. That's right. See and munitions are going into a neutral country which is totally illegal. And what's going through your, what's going through your head the first time that you go and do this. Well, those days. Oh, back in those days, mission impossible was a popular thing and you could kind of play that theme in your head. You know. You know, and your mission, should you choose to accept? Yeah, we'll be denied by everybody, including whatever deity that you worship.

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"air america" Discussed on The Nicole Sandler Show

The Nicole Sandler Show

01:34 min | 2 years ago

"air america" Discussed on The Nicole Sandler Show

"Ace i moved online the day that air america went off the air if i was going to stay doing show uh that was the only way to do it i decided then in there is a onewoman show uh you know without a staff without a producer without anybody else um you know all my time is spent putting the show together and i'm not a salesperson so i decided i'd follow the uh the npr model and do it uh a as a listener supported thing and that's how we've done barely serve survived put survived all these years so i it is your contributions that keep putin us i you use the royal we here they keep me going so those of you who contribute whether it's on a monthly ongoing subscription thing or a an occasional one time donation i am i appreciate it more than um more than you know more than words can express so thank you today is international women's day and we're actually going to celebrate tomorrow marched the whole month is is women's history month and those of you who've been listening to the show for awhile will remember amy simon amy simon is a dear friend of mine who um uh among other things these days does a onewoman show called she's history in the most dangerous women in america then in now and because it is women's history month she's got a show coming up in los angeles on march 18th so if you're in.

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"air america" Discussed on KELO

KELO

01:49 min | 3 years ago

"air america" Discussed on KELO

"Told you get ready this is gonna hit the fan in a major way larry a wider who's a friend of mine and a great host out of dc rights of peace over at or was that lances at media where alfret can is being short of dismissed when this horrible picture and this awful unwanted assault occurred according to his accuser and tweeting as happening during a period of time when he was just a comedian and larry o'connor reminds us he wasn't just a comedian at that time he actually was a radio talk show host in national syndication remember air america al franken was the centerpiece of air america now at failed him failed badly but it could klay air america claimed one major win one major victory is larry o'connor puts it it launched a political career of its biggest star al franken it can be reasonably argued that al franken would never have been slide as a political figure or elected official if he had not gone through the exercise of hosting a political talk show every day for three hours interviewing influential politicians pundits and reporters that's what he was doing when this attack or groping or whatever you want to call it as alleged by lien tweeting and seemingly verify the picture occurred he was still hosting that radio show at the time that he was forcing himself on this woman and growing her while she slept so you got to be careful about the narrative that he was just a comedian our number's.

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Brendan discussed on WTF with Marc Maron Podcast - Episode 858 - Lizzy Goodman / Dana Gould

WTF with Marc Maron Podcast

00:35 sec | 3 years ago

Brendan discussed on WTF with Marc Maron Podcast - Episode 858 - Lizzy Goodman / Dana Gould

"Y you know and i are you going to have your on tv show i'm going to be rich no not anymore still have to go out you ask me in minneapolis and do a weekend uh but on that but i am on executives over tv show yeah i know is no actually no but you should plug your the mc's comedy special goes he didn't get one earlier all you'll have a commie i have many of them you of another what what i found what must have you feel about this moment where like i did the comedy stars would netflixing was good i was glad that i got the opportunity sure yeah but then you hear about like you know sign fokker's rock and louis this is like the ah they just gave jerry seinfeld half a billion dollars thank god because we need who was learning it's not i'm not even jealous but it's sort of like give me like a maybe maybe like five percent yeah yeah i'm not complaining but if you're throwing money away yeah exactly i'll take a little no i was a you know i they were it was one of those things where i was going to tapered and then i was gonna do it with the company that i did my last russia with and then there were the dates were confused and then there were like well we can only do it on this date and i was getting ready to go into production on season two of the show and i you know you can feel the material right inning and reaching pugh tressens sure and you feel like dying yeah exactly and i was i was looking at some nick i was looking at a new products that list as they go i really wanted to get it down ago and i have a really great agent at william morris them silvio lund who's really a terrific guy and he goes let's just do novel and he called up this record company in damn nailed it and and get it in and i do find the audio lives longer than the video so people listened comedy on the radio they listen to comedy on their phone i it's rare that they will sit down and watch a special again that's true that's true i l walsh asif yeah yeah exactly but all listen to especially again all this shit you always in the comedy records i've heard before i listen to because because now uh you know you have that done than you're getting ready to go back on the road and yet you've got to frantically get new shit guinness shit yeah i mean i i'm not i don't believe it has to be one hundred percent new but it should be you really not believe that or you just tell you i really i know i really do but uh i'm i'm much lower than the percentage that it should be i think people want to hear one or two hundred families that you know like i i dunno i got the idaho 'cause i think you and are similar in that in that whoever's judging that whoever saying i this year from the record whoever saying that usually we make them up and you out now there are no there are a couple of those is ideal hit that twenty percent of the suv his new wave that why do we listen to that guy because he's the guy that hates us as much as we do he sees this is already just the way we are with a little disappointed with this was never the almost you'll has got it but not quite right but i i you know i probably saw george karlin i don't know a dozen times my life and i would always love it when there was a oh well he's going to do baseball and football great disease and you go this is great listen to this i sure i i listen i like hearing beats like he because this museum it is a form of music digitally form of music when you know like i hear who i can was due over and over again if it comes up in 'cause i got the shuffle gone on ma if schimmel comes up and mike because like the ear was such a master of this very specific type of timing kind of like morose jewish he you know who it's it's the disease descended joan roma jackie veronica yep that good good poll well he told me although yeah and you know who else was heavily influenced by jackie vernon let me guess who stephen wright sure that makes a lot of ads yeah i love jackie vern yeah jackie o'brien was amazing scr i saw he was the guy i saw my parents took museum when i was like eleven oh my god where that's what change to me because i saw him on tv do the slide show and then he came to albuquerque and i saw it in the paper at out in albuquerque was a lounge in the hilton hotel phantom my parents took me that's fist of it and that was what i was like that's when i knew it whenever you but what if he opened bush and soon turkomans should they would have been fine but what we were close enough just to see like you know he's a hold and he's like you saw all of it is in this and that it was not afraid i was like this is still good i have this conversation with somebody is really really interesting is talking about how much i love rickles yeah and i was talking to a a younger com we'll they're all younger and owes quoting some rousseau stuff and this goes help us us laura his own because he so unworkable because it has nothing to do with that yes all music i love the ud in the rhythm of the music and i remember seeing him sometimes he said things that didn't even make sense but because no i will give you a beautiful example i was with your friend and mine rob cohen at the desert in and they had just had a giant renovation of the desert in and it was sweltering in the show room when he goes out a forty milliondollar renovation they get a great airconditioning system two facts on the roof of the peace looseleaf paper glenn doesn't mean a gut dim thing he could have said tortoises zeroed onesyllable i tell you and could as a bear as you know i'm not laughing because i am straight and therefore i'm exerting my heterosexual privilege via in a derogatory way no eases thought of that of that part of that of that and that's what i have yet but the weird thing is we give you isn't something like schimmel who is usually the victim of his own joke yes in his life had the life of fucking job yeah and then the political whatever's politically incorrect about it itself offering a software threat and then i don't like he is the victim of every jew every joke has a victim and symbols act it was him yet in something somehow that can elevate ivan i agree i agree yeah i don't know if i have these discussions but like i for some reason i'm just able the separate i i don't know that you know revisionism is necessary just because times change in terms of what you you you feel personally attached to her what you like i don't i don't odds visa will difficult but but i can says it already owned for me i can still you know i don't do we delete all that stuff do we delete are emotional connection to right i i don't see how that's possible tackle and it's like when we damn my have hitler's paintings i have to separate you have that book on i have the coffee table excuse called raspberry lauda angles lot of hard angles not a lot of people but a lot of beautiful buildings oh i used to joke about that it's like well you know hitler was vegetarian but but yeah there's an i think i also in a lot of it is just being the soldier nostalgia for being too beating a kid a like watching rickles on the dean martin roast and every but it's a totally different school of show business than new and i grew up with golfway told me the story that when he worked with reckles rickles would would just roast him all day uh and then afterwards a poolside now you set a small lead money the eu is a very carrying well that lowvolume that's where my grandmother said she go see him in vegas and he has yet on everybody but he too she's she put it like this he apologizes very nicely renault but the only thing with bob did he couldn't understand is that that he wore jeans onstage right easily bob you can't you have to get the dress nice addressed and that's the general that's the thing that broke for that generation like these kids they they would do about those things that was karlin the kid he's talking gripe but what i'm saying is in that era in for us it's i think it's like we understand that he's seeking safe haggar he gets it whatever and it doesn't have any leasehold me we gotta shoulder that and if it's like a you can attack me for y'all still respecting somebody who is not of david his original like and that's in and that's and that's a that's a valid point that you do have to update in and he didn't he didn't need he i was watching him i went down it was yuri lewis rabbit telling when he died oh yeah and i was watching the jerry lewis rose from 1968 rickles was on it with the two things that but that it will rise rose that's not even the right the idea the one the first who the killer who's just like jerry i say this from the bottom of my heart jerry you're a jew his justly all right yeah but the other almost didn't he goes you know jerry's a clown and there are a lot of grey clowns emmett kelly that's about i will not give up the other baru hui was rose the is when the martin ones and j jim stewart was on the day is and he goes a jimmy i spoke to the family you're doing fine hosts one there was one where he was on it was his last appearance he was his last carson appearance because johnny was retiring on and then he may johnny lab zohar johnny got into a coughing fit careful john every time you cough lentils at home highfiving the life little good will and i love one and it's a real shit have you seen that one where they built him a club filled with just celebrities the martin there's a dean martin rose who was might have been the d martin show where they wanted to recreate alive rickles show i have that 'cause i signed up for the guide them the other demar the i never saw coming i had no idea there were so many but there was one that came it might have been the d martin show but they set up a club they mean on a sound stage and had people like pat boone in the audience all the celebrities kartal malta bar like he was probably nineteen seventy the early 70s mid70s yeah and and rickles just went up and did his club in insulted ever yeah it was great and as you sweating mid70s when the american flag had wide lapels warren ugly i go it's an interesting question though about because i had this moment where you know being a comic as long as we have you know you and i are old guys already yeah and and by the way just two i am fully aware before anybody jumps down my throat about don rickles and whatever i know i'm i'm i'm done i'm in i'm with this is not what is contemporary this is my view of it pete townsend was talking about the john entwistle used a bitch about wrap that he didn't get it yeah and he said it's not our job to get it it's our job to get out of the way and and i am aware of that yeah i get it i get it yeah well no i mean i you know i can it's becomes difficult with depending on what the transgression is here to stay supportive you'll have to be supporters somebody you can condemn somebody and you can you think somebody's awful but still say that second record though that sure you know and then you somebody said a really smart the genome our solar arguello should young new comic really really funny really funny and really martin somebody was bashing some on woke person new than apologize for it and she said you know you have to let people make their mistakes and grow in public he kinda led have to you have to let people grow catches white dot terrorise them into some sort of cultural siberia yeah the you know the my last special the one before this one um i had the whole thing at the end of boat the our word uh and how it's now relegated wizards see word and i tried to do on those bits ya ya and i wouldn't in i did i mean the bit was a boat the strictly the nomenclature of equating that word with the n word in this year oh it was actually addressing the that that whole thing it wasn't about like i don't use it that way no because then i did use it uh you know i know is that i would never do this and then i did i cheated all over the place and i you know i i said it and i said the n word in the sewer day and i say them now relish at home time mutter myself but whatever i would i would nothing happened but i wouldn't have done i wouldn't do it today i got i did a bit about it about defending you know the use of it in you know in a sense of like in a ended this style gic way um y yo how you know what i mean i grew up with that yeah right but then i guy the guy that igf someone i think it was an email the just said we you know i'm the parent and in and that was a you know i like i had a couple of swipes but in eventually i got a handle on it i i did it and then i met john mcginley lose of very on the forefront of of of all those issues and it becomes real via an and it's not about first amendment that's about though these people have feelings and their young their lives and you're okay i guess that's the thing hey how attached are you two that really need it have you read them of using that word it's not he's no one's censoring anybody yeah it's like you're hurting people's feelings and it's already hard for them yeah exactly brilliant yes i guess they have a rough enough time any and you can and that is truly you can say that will riggles talking about fragile new have enough to have enough they have enough trouble i my my feelings about that are like you say whatever you want the shoulder the uganda water take the take the burn yeah tell uber then handle it what the what's this new were the new season standard against evil what's it did you finish it's all done joey finished it premiers november first on ifc house a different uh it takes the story it takes us roy for the premise of the story is the whole idea of the shows was quite simple i love horror movies are my football so i just thought what if i did a horror movie but put a character in the middle of it that didn't belong here and it was basically what if my dad was an harm of has he wouldn't give it doesn't know just know does he does no he doesn't give fuck right and and we used to make that joke if you remember the indicating kong he's on the building in the planes are flying area my brothers and i used to joke did of our dad was in one of those planes that he would fly out of formation check the scoring the baseball game comeback shoot a little bit more go back and i just thought it would be interesting if like what if instead of buffy the vampire slayer it was just an old irish guy that didn't give a shit and and that was the the premise and i didn't i my mother is still alive but his wife who would have been my mother dies before the show starts and because i needed them to have a giant vulnerability or is just hassle oca them what john mcginley did with that was created this amazingly nuanced character is a good actor huh israel has been around for a long time ago he's not fuck in a row it doesn't seem age much either doesn't know he's he's good lives at the gym i mean is this arms are and i say this knowing he's listening to it his arms are terrifying um uh no easing these in crazy like an old irish boxer from like a poster for the he's like hundreds who was in the issue williams was like five over visas and wall street is a platoon he was in any given sunday but he's built like an old irish bar and how he's all upper body and but he created the he gave this character so much more than than i had give it it on the page and and i have to also give jet at foreign ego amazing kudos for the way she balances him the ballast that she and as such a strong actress the because john is done so much of this work that for the second season i had to right up to him so i developed a whole arc of a story line where there is a time travel element where he's going to try to go back and save his wife's life oh wow and as as always happens makes things much worse oh good and that's the arc this as the art the season and what's the name of the record that see the digital this is what did them i call it a record 'cause i don't know what else to call it how it looks it in a my doubt because my downloads sounds vaguely filthy ah mister funny men and this is what the kids on her the account how many you've done how many record seventy special uh i have the worst i proudly have the worst album titles fun houses fine yeah but it's an they keep up album and his version is albums much better uh let me put my thoughts in you i know what's wrong which was okay this is mr funding in screwed what i mean the bigger problem is really the art work generally yes like looking at what you can almost any comedy record in you know somebody who's like move was i think and yeah homeless every comedy record bullets every comedian gets to be a rockstar for that that one day we you get to look figure your album cover via i did all right like you know in retrospect i don't have any stupid once i ask you know the last don't try to be funny on your color exactly don't try to be funny on your cover that's it that's it iin the war here quad split headshot via the worst people from boston we both novaya the what were their different panels viking different hats and i can't say it on the air but i'll tell you what were probably sure have on those i remember seeing it becomes clear i like how there were different has i know they can play different jobs it would be a fireman and a chef who was a doubt i will good well it's good talk in the arabian sea all dana cooled the great dana gould so lizzy goodman who i'm going to be talking to next in just a second um she was very good friends remarks pits the lay mark spitz they david years ago and mark spitz was a a great writer in his own right of music writer and wrote a greg memoir and he was on the show and because he passed not too long ago that you can still listen to episode in the in the free feed if you'd like it was a great episode very personal very engaged and we missile marqui we miss him you know i think i'm a good cook when i make food at home but there's nothing worse than not having the right amount of an ingredient or 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brainer for thirty bucks off your first week of hellofresh visit hellofresh dot com and enter the promo code wtf that's how of fresh dot com promo code wtf so lizzy goodman the writer is my guest and i met her when i met her with mark once but she put me in her book can we talked about it when she was writing then she sent me the galley and i didn't quite get to it then she sent me the real book and honestly i just skimmed it looked at my part but i have very little recollection i talk to her about this but whatever was happening in rock and roll from two thousand one to two thousand eleven i gotta tell you i think i miss most of it i don't know what i was doing i don't know where i was i mean the last time i knew i was really blocked in to root to rock and roll happening in real time was probably in the late eighties and then side some i just some i went away i don't know where i went but i wasn't i wasn't locked in i'll mocked back in but this the two thousand one to two thousand eleven i was just a struggling comic trying to figure it out i do i get sober like i guess was right after i got silver that might add something to do with it but i just wasn't keyed in to the new york music scene i was just keyed into the comedy scene there was some crossover we we hammered out lizzy and i hammered out and i talk a newer the book is called meet me in the bathroom rebirth rock and roll in new york city 2000 a one to two thousand eleven which apparently are my lost years but that's not true i did i did radio did air america away way i got divorced a guy they'll get married got married and divorced in those years that would have something to do with it so i was listening to music but it was like twelve to fifteen songs that i put on a fucking mix after my wife left me that letter of that a lot of those twelve to fifteen sok unita heartbreak mix i got one how how long you've in la i have a real problem here really i just i've been here for three days where he frazzled you not a dry did you drive i know you drive here i'm from new mexico i know how to write weaker of your friends with i keep i always forget that i wanted to go i'm going you i i think that's a great idea it's great there had to how long did you stay in new mexico till like 14 seconds after i graduated from high school which highschool albuquerque academy i don't i didn't tell me all this now probably not i don't know you went to the academy here how do you i'm two thirty seven twenty five i don't know i just had a birthday and i have been i realize that i've been telling people my old age for at least the last couple of weeks because i forgot the elderly seven i was born in 1980 what was your old age thirty six turns out are you've and you have a goto no no no i just i have this joke with my friend rob sheffield that might ages is 26 forever i have not really evolved pass that i may i'm moving i think i might move i have to me become hear a lot more now what's happened and so i'm thinking don't use drop that i will vote will that but at one of my biggest or i've been thinking about where i to live show alana's neon it seems to be happening fedronic yeah in what way but i will tell you but just my biggest concern is that i'm gonna miss winter and one of my friends his out mean half my friends that i hear one of my friends his lobbying been lobbying me for an ally move for a long time was just suggested to me recently and i never thought of this like you go to new mexico for winter go have winter new mexico's eventually just go have a mild winter well i mean it's cold it's not new york coal i live in upstate new yorkright now oh my god where high falls new york it's what are you doing up there i was finishing a book this book yeah that embassies different one who one of the one of avoiding talking about on your wedding efficient probably hate it which is fine this not hate is not the word disagree with no italian a disagreement thing i missed it of course i miss this if the it's called earth and rock and roll in new york city two thousand one or two thousand eleven i know none of the bans in the really would you like some help well that's why we're going to do but not down yeah yeah so yeah i like the idea spending the casual winter's in new mexico where he here in the higher or some parka whitesnow nodded loom area the luminary of i've in kerala's is awesome when you get your health through in the lights now no known does the candles anymore you can't go said i know they are good they one hundred percent you it's the real thing all right some people still do the rules of very traditional place kerala's new mexico we what we think about living here i'm not admitting that i'm thinking about overweight now i don't lie echo part will people i i don't like them i don't wanna be near them like i don't wherever the williamsburg of la is i don't want any williamsburg valet thank god is not because here it's like bloctobloc you know williamsburg maybe i don't know it's different i mean i want to live by the beach but every night if that he can't live vitamese because yield you know fall off well why show business quarter year because of the book a real yeah marks like oh that didn't even occur to me what an awful idea i have i have to tell you were important which can into serbia but do you know some people like it so is known and i i know it's people love it and i understand that not being yeah i'm very sure there's no i know you and i'm totally teasing you i this book is about a period where you could actually get most of the people to play themselves as their younger selves and it'd be pretty quiet pretty close he added in various no it's going to be there like documentary and and narrative at like fictional adaptation series ideas around that's great i'm excited about it i mean i want to do more of that stuff anyway and always have or have in the last few years and so it's like fund to think about how to make the i mean people i've just felt really gratified by the kinds of ideas that have been a you know because as skeptical that the whole hollywood here at it so far than the people that i think we're going to be working with are awesome well we're did you how'd you start out where'd you end up you went to the academy graduate you got brothers and sisters yeah i gotta younger brother take that's a good name yeah he's get he lives in nigeria really he's a foreign service officer he's a diplomat o good for him the state department and cut them loose yes no um now not yet that's good maybe maybe nigeria this sort of like what i stand ninety he got there he just got there and it's funny we're talking about luminaries he's going to have lumina or something he's having he's getting married in december in england here on dan and he's going to have all this new mexican stuff we've been talking a lot about the new bringing the new mexico to the new mexico christmas vibe to london thoughts nice yeah so what would you go to college after you can ran away to fill it i mean i wanted to be on the rules like right away it was all about new york as obsessed with new york and with the idea of lake eastern urban magic get the eu's when he grow up in a smart household in new mexico you i i want to go to where really happens i like all this cowboy cowboy intellectual shit i that's exactly how i felt i mean it is disturbing to be talking to you about this there there's basically no one who gets out of new mexico so those of us who do all have the same kind of like course spirit about that if you go back they go back oh hi tonnes tons yeah i mean you're going back now i've been thinking about it yeah it's drawing i think about it to the way on wife yeah my heejoo like i don't i like i i don't i'm done with new york i'm almost down with la whereas from argun go this is how i feel you say i'm too young to feel it this is literally the conversation i've been having while i'm here i'm like i will always feel like i live in new york that i don't need to live there anymore and so therefore where do i feel good well that's only corral us exact cheese like me literally only corral starting to feel that it's the only play me for me is not quite corral but i always romanticise prowess but i'm a couple of miles away how you i think would i very close to corral but a all right so dan study what english and classics and your girl at the plan was only good was to be a writer now what a crazy idea what idiot would do that you can't be a writer what was the point of in new york and what just like hang out no the plan was to idea you know i was eighteen i didn't have i had a i had a homing instinct not a plan like i'm gonna come to college because you have to go to college like i'll go as close to new york as they can go and i was really good student and i cared about being gets you now i love school and great china japan but no the plan what it what happened was and this is the right call like i now understand this in a way that i can articulate and didn't at the time that i advocate for it it's like i had to put myself near stuff that would so i could be in a position to have what should happen next revealed to me brian what i mean later that's what new york is yet it's a no to be you know for me and and for others that that's kind of what the books it out here at sense of i don't know why i'm going here i'm just going here because it seems something's telling me to do that and i can't tell you why and i may not even know right away or for years but it's where my next myself is going to emerge on the oddly e know it's because the place it new york holds in the cultural unconscious yes for years since the 70s yeah specially if you're groovy artistic you know literary it it's like it it's grooms large yeah it means something to mean something it's an idea and hand but there but still to this day there's nothing like it i mean you you know you can i can't live anywhere unlike well but do you did you find always at like i was just in new york and for the first time in my life i went over to jazz at lincoln center as fiftythreeyearold and it's have always been there and i was there for for fifteen years on and off and i did nothing like oh yeah hey like all this stuff veiled me like people you go the museum of modern art i did once twice here but i am now like i feel like i'm ready to do that stuff in its fortunate because now i understand new york pretty fucking while i can get around and ought to do what other so if i go in for three days on my show again see let's do it but that's okay that is exactly why my i feel like my current relationship with new york is among the best that i've had which is like when you leave you are able to to be a kind of the it's almost like the first fifteen years are investing in understanding the place enough that you can become a named formed tourist when you go there so now i do that too like i go in from upstate you know every week or so every ten days and i do three days of city staff all my friends i gutted restaurants i do all these things that i had no energy to do because those so relentlessly overstimulated by the time i laughed at that i was like i can't even like i just want to hide and so now there's this the slate has been cleared and it's like new york it's fun again but that i don't ever feel when i was nineteen and started coming to the city from philly all the time i felt like mm i needed it too like kind of worked on me in order to help me figure out how to become myself and now i know how to be myself how did you go there were year ranked ninety eight i moved to philadelphia and i was in school my dad is a new yorker semi dagger opens in status in town via and my grandparents unawares there for a while a who's going to get that apartment come on you tell me about the survivors adel got your grandparents of art okay it's on has pink walls the who is getting that next ruth good men lives there she she's you know she's she's it's her place man here i mean no one's it's a rental it still like i know rentcontrolled renzo deeply rent controlled rental yeah your eyes are like glinting the cia is the new yorker area edge rooms juve everyday that have what's the kitchen like hallander yeah it's the last of the rent control listen everything you're thinking is true it's your fantasy come true it's like the per it's an it's walker they've this would be good always is when you've when i was there you like the idea of control was i i'd rent stabilize but that doesn't mean something i and stabilise to that that's like they're like it's not as brutal so really when you move to new york in earnest this is when this book starts yeah i mean i started coming to the exactly like i started coming to the city from philly to see show i love the story is it's in the introduction to the book it's basically like i i moved to new york the first summer that idea college says after freshman year i i moved to the city i lived in my grandparents apartment i worked at murray yeah and i got a job in a restaurant you worked at sesame street i had an internship at sesame productions or whatever that it was the production company that pretty sesame street that will you write in turn shed you're gone for showbusiness i was not go i was like this is the justification for me being here that's the one the ethics as all i i didn't pick it it was like available and we really i was like i need to go hang out in new york city trash camera oscar with no no they never let me near it wasn't a coup it was like i don't even remember what i did i wasn't near actual sesame street it was the production cut it was it you know is a midtown office building that was set not no would you how could you work for sesame street nakos he were seriously streets production company produces a lot of shows sesame street the crown jewel i was a lowly turn we love the you're acting like this is my choice yet one day they rolled in and they were like do you want to go to the sesame street sat and i was like nath no that's not out having no anxieties me i was i was i you didn't meet ernie organiser continued i wanted to meet rock voice mark i tend not grow her no grown all right grover and the guy with nights in serious who you're like all right yeah he taught me how to ride the subway right are you there you're working says mystery not going to not doing all of the things that i know i've disappointed you deeply and just i got a job in a restaurant 'cause i needed to make money because i wasn't in school and i had to lake support you know i had free rant that i had to lake right pete or whatever you run by close i guess whatever i cared about at that time records and so i got this job at this i got this job training to work at this restaurant crossstrait from grand central station said they were opening any day now and they are hiring up staff i got this job and we end of course it took much longer for them to open and they had anticipated citybased they had hired this staff of kids board hot city kids who went there every day for like four hours and got paid this lowly amount of money and did things like practiced waiting tables and learned the wine list and stuff like that and my coworker was nickel anc who was the guitar since strokes and he was in this band like hit with his friends called the strokes of now the portal opened and you're well no i mean no it was years that was nineteen that was the summer of ninety nine and it was i mean it was a couple of years before like albert the other guitarist had not joined the band yet they weren't they it was my friend nix like ban nick i was nick was like halfheartedly in college and they were just city kids and i was i mean the portal that opened that summer was not rock and roll it was new york like oh nicholas cool in in that he grew up in the city and understood how to sort of like wander wale and how to get into bars and how did you set just it was sort is it was what like i had been learning i it with training wheels in philadelphia that as a new mexico kid like how do you how do you orient yourself in urban life and let these places kind of lake you know wash over you and expose you two things you're supposed to be exposed to how to get the rhythm down and that like nick and i would just hang out after after pretending to wait tables and you know lake wander round office parks and smoke weed in office park teller fina behind off sparked pillars and sort of like just wander around midtown it wasn't and then sometimes i would go downtown to lake st mark's and sneak into bars and do stuff like that beazley it was like that was what was pal 99 summer here that must that summer was those were my marriage was falling apart that was the other big thing that is happening for every avatars you knew marc maertens mary and who's out more a yeah and then he got thrown out of that house in the other find to subway weighed down us instead it was way chiller than what you are dealing with try and dukan redo one man shows that was that are that is i was the best theater oh my god the west bath yeah that became significant for me later really yeah because all the artists where had their studios in there and still do it's still let me extra to yes rate on the west that the west village became later after i finally moved to the city in two thousand two became like my spot because i don't like coolness like i don't like i didn't like i do not want to be on the larry cider off that city will whites places for me when i when i moved there i guess was eighty nine the first time and then i went back in nine the four remember you saying that yeah but but you know and i talk a little bit in the book about the you know what happened then but it really wasn't the only put i was just a little weird historical artifact you put that this from the guys from the generation before radio exxon giuliani for two minutes well i needed that i've might do i thought i was well represented good you were i agree um so this is all just before nine eleven yeah and the you've you found your place on the west side where it's not hip with artists that are well no i mean i went back to philly for like that so what i'm saying is that the that's why it's this is an important about the book the s not bands like i wanted to be a lawyer or something i thought it was gonna be a lawyer i was a school kid but i was pulled towards this sense of magic and misery about new york city that is the idea that we are already just talking about and he hadn't yeah i loved writing but i didn't work from my school newspaper i didn't it wasn't like what what it was was it was like i'm i i i was being drawn to some expression of culture that was related to my generation that i that had not happened yet and i did not know that that's what i was being drawn to you that i during the next few years in the part the four nine eleven were all these bans interpol yesterday as strokes and in you know white stripes and other place like around the world there all the stories that converged in the book all of those people were feeling similar things like assent this basically the same age as i was and feeling a kind of like i wanna make something that i don't entirely know what it is and like the world is not really receptive for this kind of this kind of vibe it's not supposed to be about urban call right now it's not supposed to be about notions of near and what was it supposed to be about in a music industry is supposed to be about dance music erica in you know i i mean in england it definitely was about dance music or was about like postscript popstar th i mean and in my business it was like i mean in the writing what became my business it was like it wasn't that exciting to imagine yourself as a rock journalists because there wasn't a lot of cool rocked the end so that's right it was sort of submerged in jam jammed asked you for a little while they're right i didn't think oh i'm going to be a music journalists i thought there's something about the way it feels to wander around manhattan at four p m on a really hot day in the summer where everyone rich has left the at they're making me feel like i'm getting somewhere and i can't really tell you why and so i went back to college and i studied and an ice kept in touch with neck and a couple of other people that i owe you and he would come and play shows and then i would see in philly and i will go see him and i had friends in philadelphia who are starting to lake want to go to shows so it was like it was a thing to do that had enough in it for years it was a thing to do that had nothing to do with aspiration of any kind and that was really important and it was also like it was like traditional rocking aware coming back it was not necessarily art rock punk rock was sort of finished in a way and and i guess wakeham sort of 'cause like some of the bands in the book i was given like for some reason at that time when i was there in late 90s in then like i left by two thousand two yeah but i was given cds and stuff for iced up for some reason i have the jonathan fireeaters he shot up i do that's awesome yeah they were so amazing i listen to it and i was into it but like what you're with that have been have 90s yes okay so okay so that was that times out yeah yeah they were the yeah they were round is great ho right i have my buddy john daniel was involved with music so i was sort of up to speed on something yeah okay will and 90s wealth that's all right i mean but like like jazz it only o good if you were there i mean that theoretically lay the thing about looking at the book and reading through some of it is that like when i read please kill me that was the those were before me and i was when that was what everybody was going to new york to find was that that's what this is about no i get that with moscow eyes were going to find that for sure and you kind of right about that yes like that's we're all looking for that thing that was like just it was just the the remnants of it and the and the people that were involved with that you'll first wave of whatever made new york cool were just kinda droopy greyhaired dudes walk around in their weather payments that don't fit any more with somebody going like that guy used to be something yeah if that if they are even living there anymore but i i guess i just think that that's the continuum i mean it's not like every winning please kelme weren't weren't polling on i see the continuum of that notion of new york identity as much much 70s as going ponca much further i mean i think much scher further back that than just whole idea it's it's it's i mean this is later but it's fifty yeah and it's jazz it's it's fucking ellis island man it's like come to it's it's in the american identity of new york gonna come here and you're going to reinvent yourself and the culture all potency of that has is almost as old as you know as the city in some way and so but specifically in the world of the arts yes you know what what you know what came out of new york and and what sort of defined it is you had a wealthy people who were willing to kick in to make she had happened yes right yeah and a lot away sure to reject the of a lot of the factors but then i mean you know that for us because this is my taste in i i i think yours too like the punk the 70s punt seen in cb jesus just like i meaning please county was my total bible i'm obsessed with everybody and napa i love that music that's my stuff i came to that late you're now the earth your specialty is more material for the business card wait to the partly to the party on air safety and wrong kinda leadership skills doesn't look good for any of us march mirror merit love martin on but you know i mean obviously there's also the whole greenwich village like i mean dylan for most people dillon is the touchstone for this and it's so the idea that new york is this place that's constantly polling on a previous constantly kind of coopting and borrowing its own past self via to reinvent for a new group of young people essentially the a new for them version of the same thing how are they related to turn all right they can still find the space there if they can still kinda save their which is the question now but like for my for this book for young in the bathroom like i don't see it as a see it as just this sort of the the the chapter in the cannon at that new york cultural story it's just rose right into the bookshelf right there you know after police kelme and after madonna and light up before whatever comes next but it's just it's a stop it's a stop on the larger train i think that and what comes next is going to be a a prominent either chinese or russian trend do you have that i'm good authority seems like it that's the vets me speculating that summer noncash catastrophic start i have is not catastrophic at all as i say that so so when now way what starts to drive when did you meet the the the way great mark spitz i met the late great mark spitz pretty early i i assume he he served as some sort of guide to whatever the fuck happened to you while yeah i think he'd really like you putting it that way well what mark would say is that i thought he tommy everything i know of on so he would want me to say it that way i tell you this bright i've kid from new mexico through philly who's looking for a rock fantasy and that dini and blames outta some yes he's like i can help you out seles ruin your life and i was like great and say it's the glare sorry yeah he talks in his memoir about how i was wearing flipflops for spammy and he's like they're not shoes zia like he was very my new mexico vibe was pretty united wearing makeup i didn't like i was still kind of like fresh scrubbed girl that point and i think mark with space mark dea like you know bad bad asrat girls with lake peroxide blond hair and he was sort of like you are entirely to clean for me basically and i was like okay but you like me no no as a recipe for disaster who's gonna win well that's where it's later and he would say things to me like yes chased me you know and i was like hot can you do the thing amassing unity or what he writing for spin when you met him yes so the way i'm marklevinshow sara louissant who is also a great character in the book and one of my best friends was my roommate in new york when i first moved there so i graduated from college and by that time it was clear that like the city's music scene was happening and i felt i was like dare to it i was inspired by all of i was inspired i was inspired by and have sudden a there was something to write about nato i then was like i wanna be a writer who writes about this but i i taught secondgrade frontiers first 'cause like i can't be a writer thought that's nice i taught at an allboys private school on the upper east side uh glazer's no really has a double life for awhile we were real like fullon teacher major oh yeah misguided men secondgrade whether in how what how did that and why did that and it a two year and it's like your estate teacher and then you either maybe you kind of the carrying on of that would have been to go get a degree in education and like stay in school and would stop you from doing that oh you know i'm are on that cya now now he loved at he he would talk about how wake up in the middle of the night and i would go 'cause i had i talked to my sleep and here go boys get in line and you'd be like jesus who is this girl and is scary she's like yeah so now okay so now you're you're getting you're you're getting involved with the rock senior roommate is what is she says sarah was marks like little protege at spin so i met mark before i graduated from college actually at coachella the one of the first coach as i went out with sarah to see if we could live together we went to this rocked festival together to lake try it on here and on she introduced me to mark who is i mean it's it's in the book their their meeting is pretty awesome like he was he didn't understand instant messenger and because and he's mark air sarah i was like this sort of protec savvy little jewish girl in new jersey who is who liked his writing it's like high and i'm also girl he had like why is this window coming up and they can eventually she wore him down in the house and so she introduced me to him and we had you know a serious series of battles for about a year and a half that then got together and yeah i mean mark was my tour guide through he was writing for span he was a hot shit writer writing cover stories about all these bans and how'd you manage not to get all fucked up i don't know my i honestly i i think it's genetic i i really do i just i don't know may just have the thing i'd die went out and drank every night like everybody else and reich you know there is all kinds of drugs around in yet but i just didn't care that much about it for you but it's not good for me that makes it sound like something i get credit for and it's not like i get credit every not be compelled by that like the like to just a drink in smokes from we'd and just enjoy the music you don't have to go you know you i mean i like you don't have to divert alliance but it's it's it makes it sound like it's a matter of sort of will and it's not it that's why are saying connecticut's like i don't have i'm compulsive in other ways right now i get it i get it that's why i'm saying you're lucky unlucky yeah so that's how okay unlucky so let's talk about you know the the bands that define this thing and the ark of this book because yeah like i just i i think i got my first walkman album like six months ago okay i'm larry liking it so okay i think i got that guy so record i thought that was get those good singer yeah so the strokes you knew that you saw them become what they want us in then and then like the the white trips our guests were coming in from detroit occasional yeah but i didn't the white strips were not like sort of first generation in new york of that were like any who has that were the strokes interpol yay as an lcd soundsystem feel like the whole lcd soundsystem thing like people are like you got your view murphy guy got your mike i don't know what he did so i had to get quite catch up with dfa miyazu jonathan the guy over what is the aga he sent me all this shit yeah i like that the prince worn dance called record yes good first record i love okay maharidge starting went ahead to go find me that record like i said you have one of them around their way it not be you know we have one ring laying around here we were using as a as a as a like a a map for when you eat your time castle your way into this that's you will love james and y'all that's i listen to a no it's great it's great i watch the movie and i i actually narrated a short documentary five lcd thousands of heavier like who the fuck is this no anyway script evaluated out but like i know he something because he mental i too a lot of people like i can see how they met something that people can also see how they kind of like you know kind of like well there's a there's a gap pure that was once occupied by the talking heads yeah that we should climb in do totally the talking heads said that i mean that's what i got no problem that kinds of sending okay i am not jane so you're not to defend now i understand how music work tell me more i understand you tell me my understand that there is now out of new she it yes and that you just keep inventing the old shit i think i mean yeah all right sure i think the thing that all the judge the the period that the book covered with the book is about is not music it's about all the things we i talked at it's about it's about new york it's the central character it's about what it feels like for this group of people at that period of time under to do a thing that is eternal as we just described which is to be young and to feel on scene and to get together with certain friends serendipitous lay that you meet who unlock something in u n two in the shadow of lake at theoretical anonymity make something beautiful that makes you feel alive i mean it's pure that's like that's art that's young people that's new york city that's rock and roll that the but it's important for the book that the context is also from my generation are these people that we're talking about it's happening in in coincidence with all these other major global events like napster we just 2000 and nine eleven which is one hundred percent you know a huge part of this story obviously and it's about and then the reinvention of brooklyn and the commodification of brooklyn and the exporting of that via the internet the newlyborn internet to the world as this sort of notion of how to live like a lifestyle brand to be earth to by going to interview james he said i was trying to dip into that like the brooklyn idea in williamsburg and all this stuff in kenneth ease my way in he goes oh yeah that's all our fault like cool thanks scott and it's that's what so this story is about that but it's about that through the lens of paul banks and carreno and yes you know later jack white or the kingsley on guys or whatever and then off to england and off to the killers in vegas and around the world but that record we should nikola pile of what you did have it'll be about three hours them sti no than i i know i the jonathan firefighter that's a hall in allied it yeah that's a you know you get points for that that's a big crowd point the area the i like one thousand out is great i thought it was pretty good but those bans i mean to answer your questions such as it is it's like there's no like yeah there's nothing new under the sun and this is a retaliating of a generational story there will be i i believe that people make things new i i'm not one of those people that yadav a problem with appropriation i don't have a problem with with the of the evolution of music and he because like if you really look at rockets the people that really make something completely new or generally misunderstood and you may be years later people like i think i get it and somewhere they're like nato the other but there's a core group of fans that are sort of like worthy the only one said get it yet that bullshit any basically the story of the book too i mean if this is mark says this in the book i mean he's one of the greatest characters in it where he's basically like look i was 28 and writing for spain or whatever less was thirty something his thirty already and writing for span and like mark who had an encyclopedia harry say that pete accent encyclopedic thank you very much sandy pratt thing music and film knowledge and all that stuff of was sitting there in new york city loving york city's sort of but just board and that the thing that this that this that there's the sort of beginning of the book that everyone had in common energized boredom energy everyone was bored james murphy was bored he did not know carreno carreno was bored she did not know julian julian was bored gillian didn't know paul paul uh the interpol paul was bored and it was like in their own independent corners of this town at that period of time they all did something about that board and then mark spitz or sara or any of the other sort of non musicians but journalists future bloggers a and our people like all the different sort of um i don't know contestants in this in this like road show here all had in common that sense of what we have here right now is really not enough and we need to like build something cooler and no one else is doing it so we're gonna do it so when spits heard like i mean he says this hilariously in the book where he's just like you know when i heard the white straits it took me a minute to figure out that i was being saved because it was my job to write about mark mcgrath every day and like there it was boring it oh yeah loaded orient and that's the story idea like i get it i get it it's like well boredom mikey to classify all those artis as board i understand that but i think that if you in the history of of what happened with punk rock in the sort of like you know kind of strange angry apathetic posturing that happened is that what it comes down to though anybody who surfaces with any consistency may be board but their workers oh right well that oh totally i mean and that's also new york city like everyone in that town has to labour via the i got a want it yeah and you've got to keep pushing two two to sort of break away from the pack of garbage because in any city especially that size you know for every one may be original band there's going to be like twenty guys just tooling through rehash especially in an era where i mean it's hard to in it's hard to overstate this and it is crazy now but i mean it really seems crazy now that like being in a rock band i loved the guys and dumped than fired or talk about this and later the walkman they talk about how like telling your friends that you were in a band was like now i take us that late yeah it was like really didn't elettronica music kills janjaweed could do we have to go through this aid rallies yes on thursday is at sad than you know like you're gonna make us do that you'll biased drinks rate i mean it was like the least possible cool thing to do and and it was like lame and and kind of an opposition on your friends to ask them to conceive lesser so this whole the it's hysterical because relatively quickly people would be dressing across the country and around the world like they had just been thrift in on the lowery side but not when these bans formed but that's interesting because that whole thing you know that thrifty thing has reinvented itself with every generation of people yeah it's like the now like their thrift in 1980's clothing and i'm like no i know i now i'm feeling that to it's weird like his when i was in high school we were thrift in shark skin yeah not a better yeah yeah and then i had ended at kinda the whole for you know that rockabilly kind of boos like whatever the fuck it was going after the suits in any time we speak to someone about this like can we address this with the culture in general that we just nominate certain erez as as as take as as out of the loop of of going to be rediscovered some ambitious ivan around anymore like fortunately for now everything is made so badly can i know that will never happen you'll never never be thrifty 2017 they should is not going to hold up maybe we've inadvertently solve the problem rallying stealing the fascists that were previously thrift it yeah this is not even making shit that will hold up to be so maybe we just need a generation a cycle through that in like twenty years people will actually have to create new stuff because it will literally going at all disintegrate and have to create outfits said will withstand the heat of there i'm sorry i've taken me right out of there i did it i'm sorry for him you're not enclosed outfits with of'short new mexico's supposed to fair relatively well i mean waters going to be a problem but waters going to be a problem but we have the mountains we aquifers dory right on an akko yeah we give a lot of as i understand it no no eight i think we give a lot of water to california so mother fugger's he had one of the california's thirsty mansour okay so like i know owner free burger this one again with a list of names like oh i show you read all your quotes first come on of course yes okay then you looked at the list through an area in and i kinda poked around it like you know the chapter headings ps but a vote like i don't know grizzly bear the national i came much really lay to and i understand why they're good but i i don't know that i go back to the records up much tv on the radio maize i listen to their first and second record i'm like holy shit this is the media their incredible yet the a as the first couple of records i listened to her i had him the hives i had that record i remember liking so what is your problem nothing we're just get vampire weaken don't think i've ever heard him all right we'll interpol i think i got a recent record with like their back in a mike i missed it the first time pretty good we've routines just gotta whoever teens rokaya feeling about pretty good yeah kind of punky right yeah yeah i hope we will come on something and you'll be like you really have to go and do that is that what you're looking for ya well i buy a records i'm i'm mike i mean i mean a renaissance had music appreciation i'll send you a list i need i don't know like i have your book i know yet we'll you do though actually 'cause you can't start gone mouldy reaches yeah amazing did you play who's got the crowd i don't have it all right we'll play who's got the crap by the multi pages is just one song well that song in particular is your gateway drug for them dave across comedian i know him with his worse are you hold steady i like that guy greg gregory great right yeah he's a good talkers if thinker is good the killers i like that okay kingsley on first who records and crime what happened well y but okay that that's another alternate title for this book sure is where's the staying power while they're all still making albums and touring and dura al like literally all of these people yeah so like you okay let's talk about them what happened what did have well it's up first talk about like the whole that you know a nine eleven left in the world in that like in terms of near all over that chapter see that's another place right you would you but compounding the board white whatever that boredom was was that horrendous existential to terror sadness grieving like i think i talked to spits about that a bit did he ah but a lot of this came out of that well it didn't come out of that it riot it was positioned as gross that word is under the circumstances to be heard in a different way and buy more people as a result of it so lake nino none of these important records the first as record the first strokes record the first interpol record early dfa staff none of that had been was written post nine a lead and it was not a response to that ren before but it was about you know it was about all these themes that we are just talking about yet culture considered obsolete like sadness and anxiety and loud guitars as the solution to that as an expression of that is a response to being alive right it was like oh that's old news and then you know the towers came down and new york city is under attack and america is under attack and it makes you kind of return to the the sort of lake core aesthetics of rebellion and that's rock and roll so what are you want to hear you on here jack fucking white playing guitar you wanna hear the urgency of the first strokes record he wanna you want a kind of a manic toughness the that and i think so these bans who it's not like if nine eleven hadn't happened the strokes wouldn't have broken an englanda had already broken in england and kind of ignited this industrywide like doubletake towards new york before nine eleven happened there album was supposed to come out like the week after nine eleven the first one in the states so it was already kicking off but what nine eleven did is a couple of things i thank and this is argued in the book it it it animated it it increase the number of people who were immediately feeling the need for that kind of sound and it also turned the world's attention to new york city culturally in a way that it had not been it had not had the attention of of sort of like global cool hounds in that way in sense i dunno i also like it they were it was also the guy seventy hanshin for perseverance yes i mean ranked sympathy yeah you know you're bruce springsteen how to go to werleigh hurst tracy and got them back call tied to hit it and yeah and i think i mean all these bans talk about touring in the wake of that and being it off doing comedy in the wake of sure i and the but being cast is kind of emissaries for new york and again for this idea of what new york is about that the entire world on some level was either either loving your heating at that point in new ways it was it was interesting time because if you were new yorker and you did live there yeah you're like we're we're gonna fight yes totally and we're thinking about that now and and it and the other thing that it did i think for the purposes if this seen such as it is and tune day from tv on the radio talks about this in the book i think he when he when he said this to me it really kind of it was a turning point behind her standing as he talks about how the szekely he thinks nine eleven put a kind of pause button on the jansher vacation race there has already happening i mean the the sort of post the giuliani into bloomberg cleaning up of everything sure that would eventually result in the new york the slick anodyne near erni lives there no one does it's it's saudi billionaire's who have apartments for their homes yet they're summer homes that they like might go to it's me the ranch russian it's all yeah and it is it's well chinese i don't know what an honor i it's it's just feel like you've done it feels like it doesn't have a a cultural identity has architectural and the identity right now is money money has a bleaching a fact eventually on culture i think in right now new york feels to me like burnt out literate like whited out like nine i'm not saying that race i'll have her hands out in the way that it was burnt out was bankrupt brought down in the way back right that that like acid has been porn on it and it's it's blake bleached out like i don't know i mean i keep seeing you know i don't know what causes this but when a create is her your it has deadened yeah by capitalism yet money on and by people that don't that day they don't like it will be interesting to do really explore what is rooting there you know in the sense that you know it is completely antithetical that to what it used to be when it was i think the big difference was there was a time were always money there but the people that worked there could live this and now that central and what's funny and not ha ha funny but of course like the it's all connected to this era because that's way jane saying it's our fault is funny the in an again brooklyn brooklyn because it's all those people the new york became the kind of place where you would invest in that kind of apartment because of all of the culture that that re in live in debt and made it interesting and sort of buzz he and brand rival in that way and now all these people who bought their on some level whether they know it or not as a result of this this latest ingretation of that new york thing i live in a place where none of those people can be but this is also like in a way so boring because it's like no shit that's called the cycle of art madda called lake art versus commerce 101 i mean it's going to just play its that and held out over how they all moved out of the city like the that generation of their artist once they got money they all live here they orly or here or they live in new jersey or connecticut or are you not a lot of them keep sort of like i love this i understand this instinct i feel this instinct they keep places in new york like a little apartment on near the barrier rodal whatever lay in just to kind of be like no no i still guide of me i still have a place wrestle like this so this the the ark of this book front yo two thousand eleven sort of the ends in brooklyn beat becoming the like the the the wealth center of hipsters totally and the but also just that that did it ever have any integrity other than for sure but i also just think it's yes it did i'll answer that but also that the idea that that would have one of the things that's hard to see from now because it's so obvious that that is what took place is how unlikely that seemed that that would at the time if you had been sitting there in two thousand two and and sort of prognosticating that in twenty in ten years or whatever like williamsburg a place you could not get cabs to take you was going to be the default locus of cool for the globe for but it's weird because there was some would have been laughed out of that conversation what's really like i lived in the story i had an apartment in the story from 95 five hill like two thousand and two whenever they might sub wetter was just informed by the new known of the building that he now add the lease uh quick note with note under the door there were people like louis had a place in williamsburg there were people moving into long island city yeah and likes her was sort of happening but that was because you could get space fits dole rahab winning is that it's just like everyone move to williamsburg because it was cheap brand because in this to return to it ten days saying i mean it was like you could get free he indeed siddig met each other because they lived in the same converted loft and they were passing each other's rooms enough and seeing that the same shit basically was on the floor at each other's rooms and it was sort of like i guess we should probably talk you know you've got a same weird stuff in there and like loss and in that's not like it's so easy to be like wow that must have been so cool and it's like it's it's only romantic later at the time it's like i need to live somewhere and and and be able to paint place with that right but that's that's the story of the amine ripe but that context or that that framework of life has repeated itself yes generations generation totally though the yeah the law thathat's another title that we here but the thing about nine eleven that tunisia was saying that's important is that whole justification we're talking about in the money in the bleaching out or however you want a phrase it these are they his theory and i by this now is that that was coming much sooner and nine eleven pause debt because there was a sense i mean people thought no one would travel there anymore no one wanted to get on planes it was like leaving for a second it was like is new york's economy going to die this the is this really like are things you can get cheap they were rally are things are things going to you know plummet here is it gonna be russ 70s new york thing again because no one will tourism will dinro wanna live here and all that stuff is they're going to be because it was it was terrifying and it was like you know every plane that flew overhead it was i mean people there were a couple of years where and so what that created for the purposes of this book is this weird a period of uncertainty that was really a gift to these bans because there was a couple of years and this is my my hay day really of lake going out in seeing shows during that time it was two thousand to two thousand three maybe into two thousand four but fair li where it was like it was just wild everyone was like are we gonna die but hey let's party en route druggie and it got dirty and it wasn't that expensive yet rent wasn't going up really of sort of just like the whole the whole apparatus was trying to figure out how this was going to shake out and it was like kohl let's play the you know you should read boca for answer some of those questions behind the scenes what did you ever read that book securing the city on my god who wrote i like i like i recommend this book to so many people i did you secretly right it no oh could cover ominous yes it's a bow it looks like the beginning of every law and order old school lunch or episode is by christopher dickey who i believe is james dickey's son in the i still see him as a you you shows up on shows on cnn and stuff but it's really about how how new york had to create its own count yes i should read that it is to the injury yes 'cause it was like we had we're our own city and we ourselves yeah because federal government and the cia and the fbi were not talking real yeah there was in the federal government was not really stepping up so these guys know what was going yeah and it was it was with giuliani still who was like we've got to make our own counterterrorism force and we've got to have international alley yet ray kelly yeah food and this guy cohen associated irate ocala read this like and then i'll be like i should have talked to him for the buck this is my life like i wake up still at night is damage extradition don't even choke of add that why never writing another oral history ever again or only organized oh it made me move state to a cabin in the woods by myself because they had an emotional breakdown like it's so hard that organization is really a nightmare well you did it and people like it yeah and you know it seems to be all in their uae dill per is let's check it out they clear talk of what do you want from me i i think it is hilarious eiriksson i let my favorite people around the book art like that one of my favorite pieces written about the book was by my friend dan aasi who hates who does not like any of this music basically he's in the book talking about conner over since he loves turnovers but he basically doesn't he's a music nerd anna anna a rock critic and this it he's just like all his hand suck basically i mean not literally but it's not his stuff but the thing is like i have i like i i'm not a connor overspent but i have him in here handsome my best interviews with people who are mike i will that is why and say like i'm at that's basically i think i i enjoy the fact that this isn't your world i think that's more fun lagging learn the creator of service project to talk to someone like that then someone who's like julian casablanca's this my favorite rock star of all time you're like well you're gonna love this yet boy do i have a book free like the this is writing i take this this part of journalism seriously like it's not my job to write a press release for one of these fans its job to convince those who aren't naturally inclined to take this as interesting that there's something there well here's what i have to say i'm happy you kids had your okay are you gonna try to say that that was not condescending he has had a knock out of it is out of all right it's a joke it was it was it was a sarcastic coffin ha ha ha pa let's shift gears demar serious yet um you know i and then the private police state fire juliana of just personal stuff i mean like i i've and talk to you really since markelle passed away a eulogized him on this show thank you for doing and you know because i like the guy and i literally your text to them like would like a week before it happened here do you talk about what happened can you talk about it or not i can totally i talk about i liked talking that i think people are a little afraid understandably to ask me about him because it's france you romantically involved on and off your best friends he was on the up and up again it seemed yes 100 percent it's really tragic i mean the answer to what happened which is what i guess is like not known i suppose i mean i don't really know i don't know anything other than he died and then i i texted you too to say sorry but then i got no information and then you know you just sit there and go igor would have and what that you it's not he's one of those guys ruettgers bound to happen but he didn't seem like it was going to happen that way well a lot of people you feel like it's bound to happen and then it doesn't i mean mark was had a history obviously of drug use and i think most people assume that he died of an overdose and that's not what happens i mean he didn't he we don't know for sure because there was not an autopsy performed huh so there's no leisure a cause of death that attack i mean cause of death unknown as far as i know you ea yes so this is what you're not afraid to talk about we have no information kind of accept i mean they i guess they just think like i so i was here and you know we shared custody of our dogs for six so mark or seven an hour years together in from my 20s and then we broke up like 10 years ago and but we stayed incredibly close friends and he was my creative partner basically like that mark this book would not exist without mark he is the person on the other end of the line consistently throughout frame iin merrier well like naughty i mean sometimes like sometimes is needed grady stuff but more just all writers need like the the i'll people i guess that create the the sort of like hootie who is on the red phone was on it was like i don't know and this isn't working in what do i do and like help and also i just need to that it's like that was the dark we are really really tight creatively and he would do the same we would talk to each other about writing every day and our dogs and so i was out here and he had been in a period of incredibly badge oppression for a couple of years on i mean probably his whole life it had been really bad and um i was helping him in his his family was helping him you know try to get the right mental health care never quite came together for him and eventually and so eventually after a couple of years lake road than the month before he died he was better than i've ever seen and he may have told you that india he was like like running a little bit yeah he was taking better care lindo visit no no one he hadn't dan i mean i think i know that mark lied to me about drugs or the years he wasn't like here's what happened the night that he died he went to a bar on the night that i think he died he went to a bar because he i mean we don't know exactly when he died he went to of our on february second and he had a couple of drinks drink and a half with a friend and at six thirty something like that and he came home and he walked the dogs with this friend and he was inside his house with the chain on the door and the locks on the door and a bowl of pasta on his on his like coffee table they found him and i couldn't hear i didn't hear from him the next day and i was worried and i didn't hear for him the next morning and we he didn't do that with that i mean he the dog think mark loved dogs er that anything in the world and wouldn't fuck around if their howarth and knew i was all the way out in california i mean he was like mortar arctic about the doksan i am pia and that's how they a his eventually i woke up a bunch of people up in his super went into his apartment and he found him just slumped over on his couch with dinner on the table so like as i have never done heroin but my understanding is you get big bell right and also there was no drug paraphernalia in his house and no drugs oregon went yeah i mean it's an aneurysm or a heart attack or or what any he i mean the dogs were fine they were in that house with him for thirty six hours and they were thirsty and in america pasta here at left that here too viking luggage joni it in like pardon me asshole i'm hungry and like their sausage in that layer she's too short can get up to that just short short leg's well you know it's it's it's nice to know that it it probably wasn't some eur grisly relapse no i mean if fit you know i don't know enough about you tell me can you like have secretly donovan of heroin fight hours before and then go home and make dinner and then die from doing that i mean a dozen quite at up but i you know but it seems to me that he put himself and his body through and you not up to him you know you know and if you don't know what you're like i don't know one is less physical was i mean you could only had one he high made him go and get one with wh what was the informality all systems go but you don't i mean this is what the there's i mean i'm going to be dealing with moves it out over that out of my life by not heart stuff that well i mean right like this is if you have a blake blood clot if you've an an aneurysm is undetectable i mean you can't like you can show people and this we don't have any control over any of this in the illusion is that lake via if you take care of yourself and you get physical zinni's sort of like drink your green juice that there is a sense of of control over warding off death in it's just not like that and like mark abuse the shit out of his body but that's also no guarantee that he was going to die in that way and you can take really gets care of yourself and you can get hit by a but i mean you know or diet something undiagnosed it's just what happens and it's horrible it's horrible but the one thing we do know was quick yeah and he was there with the two people in the world that he loved the most which are those two dogs no good swear to god i i'm sorry for your loss and congratulations on the book and it was nice of you to dedicated to him of guel i my friend imran told a a really potentially off color but actually amazing joke about this on this happened because imran loved mark in knew him very well a lesbian he goes so that's what it took to get together because there was dedicated to my parents and they got for this is the only thing mark could have done and i mean you know you knew him quite well and you guys have a shared sense of real black humor and so do i and mark i mean i can hear and sometimes it's being like the biggest promised that book was there is not enough amee nso i had to be something that will yeah you've got to have the dark your mercy you don't you know so the bottom doesn't fall out was nice talkin united sock india that was fun those good those promotional in some ways don't forget if you're in now way you can join me and brendan for our only l a book event and signing this sunday october twenty nine th at seven pm go to live talks la dot org for the tour page of wto of pod dot com i can't play ktar tired and a little depressed boomer lives uh uh uh

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