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Coachcast #1264  Planeje e execute o que planejou

COACHCAST Brasil

07:23 min | 8 months ago

Coachcast #1264 Planeje e execute o que planejou

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Anti-Oedipus 2021 Chapter 2, Section 1 - The Imperialism of Oedipus

Deleuze and Guattari Quarantine Collective

1:32:05 hr | 6 months ago

Anti-Oedipus 2021 Chapter 2, Section 1 - The Imperialism of Oedipus

"Enough trying to start it up. Thank all of you for joining us on tuesdays. We dive into our continued and second reading of anti oedipus. Today we are going to be reading through section two point one moving into chapter to psychoanalysis familiar with the holy family. Our talk today is primarily gonna be with section one where we're going over oedipus and how oedipus functions and a lot of their critiques on this. I'm glad we have a bunch of people here who are far more experienced with a handful of the things that are going to be brought up us section. three i for sure struggle far more section two. I really don't struggle quite as much with some of it but it's it is a to get through said just a preface ahead of all of that so probably switch to push to talk with that. I'm going to go ahead and dive in and we're going to begin reading the imperialism of edibles oedipus restrained is the figure of the daddy. Mommy me triangle. Familial constellation in person. But when psychoanalysis makes of oedipus its dogma it is not unaware of the existence of relations said to be prieta. Pull the child exo edible in the psychotic para at a poll in others. The function of oedipus as dogma or as the nuclear complex is inseparable from forcing. By which the psychoanalyst as theoretician elevates himself to the conception of generalized oedipus on the one hand for each subject of either sex he takes into consideration in intensive series of instincts affects and relations that link the normal and positive form of the complex to its inverse or negative form a standard model oedipus such as freud presents in the ego and the id which makes it possible to connect the edible phases with the negative complex. When the seems called for on the other hand he takes into consideration the coexistence in extension of the subjects themselves and their multiple interactions a group oedipus that brings together relatives descendants in essence. It is in this manner that schizophrenics visible resistance to edit position. The obvious absence of the link can be obscured and a grand parental constellation either because an accumulation of three generations is deemed necessary in order to produce psychotic or because an even more direct mechanism of intervention by the grandparents in the psychosis is discovered. An oedipus of oedipus are constituted to the second power neurosis. The father mother but grandma. That's psychosis finally the distinction between the imaginary and the symbolic permits. The emergence of an edible structure has a system of positions and functions do not conform to the variable figure of those come to occupy them in a given social or pathological formation a structural oedipus three plus one that does not conform to a triangle but performs all the possible triangulation by distributing in a given domain desire. It's object and the law. It starts strong. Anyone wanna tackle this one. Got a quick thought. It seems like they referencing laukahi here again with the imaginary and symbolic so. The footnote says specifically the reason they capitalize is because of the lithuanian translation. That always capitalizes imaginary and symbolic. So yes for sure. The earlier the point of this show this point of this paragraph one of the things just trying to get across is sort of how oedipus functions and how it has worked inside of psychoanalysis and how it's used again as they talk earlier in how they will say again. Eta is a real. There's there's the oedipus complex exists. They're not saying it's simply does it. But they have a handful of things that they talk about here that they're fascinated with and they're going to expand upon one of those is that specifically that on the one hand for each subject of either sex he takes into consideration. These instincts affects in relations linked to normal and positive form of the complex twits inverse or negative form. The the idea of basically taking all of the ways that people interact all of the Affects the things. People have as a nervous tics whatever's about them as this positive for them and then on the other hand as it says he takes into consideration the co extension of the subjects themselves and their interactions Their family descendants. In all of these things. This is the the web that oedipus in the endless chair that they're trying to weave that that freud is trying to pull that it's family meets how we've interacted and our own sort of personality. We've grown out of our life experiences. this this web gets collapsed as they say to the three one. We'll get into. They say three plus one because they've been talking daddy mommy for while they're gonna be getting into that but this is kind of a sort of a preview of what's coming up inside of the section as far as i'm able to understand this paragraph i don't think they're making any major claims here. They're just talking through this episode functions and they end with the distinction between the imaginer and symbolic With with johkang his sort of layers of reality and how people sort of deal with things With imaginary symbolic gives us a chance to have Instead of having direct mommy daddy me. We're able to instead play with how symbols represent things in the world that variable figures that come to occupy them and given social or pathological formation the the president of the united states They call daddy trump and look calm ago. That that's this editorializing. That's it's not literally about your data so that it's become this larger figure. Everything in society has to sort of rest within one of these places. So i think this is the first appearance we see of this idea. A oedipus three plus one so like understanding of that. I don't know how accurate this is gonna talk about. It is that like when he's talking about in the when he puts like three plus one in parentheses. The three is like the daddy. Mommy me like base of oedipus and then the plus one is like the detached symbolic phallus that serves as the like master signifier for the whole complex. It hangs over the complex like like all of the chains of signification get like by unit vocalized by it is the plus one. Essentially i think the plus one. I mean they're going to get into it but that's how i understand it to. Could they be also representing the plus one as the third generation the Because i thought of it as when they first mentioned that this may be a slight the different reading is kind of a perennial pyramid structure. Scheme away so to me. The the triangle of daddy. Mommy me with the The master signifier of the foulis the sort of sits over it or i don't know about pyramid like a three dimensional thing but more that the master signifier because the kenyan search semiotics. The master signifier gives birth to the rest. And so it's the the fallas and relationship with that. That is the detached fallas that sits over is how i get it. I jack says it like an umbrella bring an umbrella for the detach fouls that hangs over. Yeah yeah it's probably bad. Wording on my partner say that the foulis gives birth to the rest. Get jack but still i to me. It's the master. Signifier is how. I read that wrong. I just think it's funny. Met maybe a an interesting thing. Be relevant to bring a payers that it it seems as if at first that breeding critical of like oldest Takes right in the basically saying that Freud and like others wrongly center the us In notions of psychoanalysts. But even when we go to lighter forms of slack analytics and we include like leukaemia and stuff like that still happens like they're still think it seems like still being critical of laukahi saying Rather than just acknowledging the difference. I think that's still saying there's a problem even then i think that might be right. The the first half of this paragraph reads as sort of a sort of semi critique of the standard model of oedipus which there's like like the the way that it works is we need to really think through and talk through the things that come prieta poll extra poll edible like things around it. And so fred comes up with this idea of the eagle in the id and the ego the id solves this problem with oedipus at least in mind and they're like great but now you have this other problem and the secondary thing is That they're talking about is the reference to sort of keynesian the version of at a position where they talk about His sort of branching out where it's not just my relationship. I need to fix with mommy. Daddy me but it is my place inside of the signification of those as well as my relationship to the master signifier or lack in order to place myself. So i think what you're saying actually makes more sense than the first thing i said was just two quick critiques. Basically with them saying here's the problem. Here's how freud salted here's the problem again though. And here's how the consult but also we have other problems and that's the next step. I think there was this point about the three edibles ation in the reading that you did in what came to mind for me was that You know the the adaptation process prunes that away so any Signification of free edibles ation. That is non edible ization that may show itself from the imagination of the subject is quickly Bound or is pruned off by the editorialized family institution conditioning. There yeah yeah mish actually a great question psychoanalytic revolve around oedipus. And it's i mean the answer is no. It doesn't revolve around. Oedipus it's that'd be. It's not probably the way to put it but a psychoanalyst. Psychoanalytic has a ton of different parts of it. The problem with oedipus specifically within it is that it colors everything inside a psychoanalytic so it's not so much revolves around it. But the way that they'll get into this the way oedipus operates and the way sort of that triangulation exists colors and mutates everything else inside of the space of psycho analytics and so that's their critique as i as i understand it the subject is the imaginary so i believe that you know in a delusion sense. There is an assemblage of the imaginary They're referring to the builder. Forty eagle based structure. But then later lucon moves into describing it as the imaginary of the subject but the symbolic though is all these acts that are going on at the play of the family that are signifying what the subject is so they all know always already what the the subject is and so it creates this imaginary assemblage for the subject yes yeah so it's a great way to explain it and so it's insight. I think they're they're sorry. Go ahead. yeah so that's essentially. The first paragraph is just going through and just saying there's a spectre haunting Psychoanalyst psychoanalysis to set to put it kind of a quick way. So it said and it's fascinating when you when for example if you read anything. Khan he's got a lot of stuff he says but the color of oedipus and how he views it and lack of the master. Signifier of the phallus kinda really sort matters to all of it and It really becomes troublesome for a lot of things and they are in love with psychoanalysis and i think a lot of us here i am as well and so they're sort of like look. This is a great system. You just aren't going far enough is kind of how they like. It's what they do. They are the child who keeps asking why until we get to the bottom of it how they work inside of whatever they're doing i like it. I will get to the next paragraph though because it's continuing off of where we just said it. Certain the two preceding modes of generalization attain their full scope only in structural interpretation structural interpretation makes oedipus into a kind of universal catholic symbol beyond all the imaginary modalities. It makes oedipus into a referential access. Not just not only for the prieto phases but also for the Edible varieties and the exo at pull phenomena the notion of foreclosure for example seems to indicate specifically structural deficiency by means of which the schizophrenic is of course repositioned on the edible axis set back into the orbit in perspective for example of the three generations. Where the mother was not able to posit her desire towards your own father or the son consequently towards the mother. One of the cons disciples rights we going to consider quote the means by which the organization plays a role in psychoses. Next what the forms of psychotic prejean italty are and how they are able to maintain the edible reference in quote are preceding criticism of oedipus therefore risks being judged totally superficial and petty as if it applies solely to an imaginary oedipus and aimed at the role of parental figures without penetrating the structure and its order symbolic positions and functions basically a response real quick there which i like so one of the fun parts of the book is you tend to run into that shit. Pretty hard The real quick the concept of foreclosure is generally about mother child relations when the father is absent and Foreclosure is something he believes comes out of that. Because we're unable to place our determinate location and have the understanding of the phallus and all these other things and it ends up being linked to psychosis. I believe is the setup which it's a whole thing the whole thing that's correct. The barring of the subject is a foreclosure that experienced by the psychosis or psychotic and it's on the on. The it does has a lot to do with genitals a lot so the whole thing. I've always been grateful for the reason. I don't have to read these parts. Because i'm too mature for that But i just wanted to point out to as we're reading this right one of the things we're seeing and i think all the of really touched on this quite nicely so to put a word on it. We're seeing them. Going over the methodological aspect of oedipus in psychoanalysis both pre structuralist or non structuralist Psychoanalysis but also structuralist and how psychoanalysis echoes. Something webcam. it said in the chat I agree holy with this idea. That i mean the way that this book is written is i think always eternally fascinating to me A lot of this was written by guatieri and then sent to lose. Which is i think. Interesting and lose. What sort of rewrite a lot of this is purely from aguada. Who's studied under the like really kind of came from that school and could not hate the concept of oedipus and the inner fascist that it generated and that it is For sure like it comes through pretty cleanly. I think in all of chapter two. So wendy say catholic symbol. They mean something along the lines of if you criticise jesus you criticize the whole religion. Since jesus is all encompassing within the religion or something a kind of the word catholic means universal. So there's a bit of a play on here you come down you find. It's actually there's a bit of a redundant because they say universal catholic but to your point about the religious there. Is that side here. We're oedipus actually words in creating like a kind of holy family right which is the name of its chapter. Write the nuclear family that kind of holy family so they are playing on that right in. Its suggests that had oppose this methodological critique this this concept right. It's not exclusive to cycle analysis. But it's something. Psychoanalysis does Build around quite a bit but still it is right to say that say at. This is the the equivalent of jesus although jesus not only being the sole problem to the religion of christianity. Sorry to if. I offend christians by this by the way but i'm firmly atheist am but did they say they are trying to say what i said earlier chat in the sense that the oedipus is sort of a representation of a system of ideas right i. I don't think it's so much about Jesus that. I think it's more about this interpretation. It's oedipus Universal counts both beyond all imagining on. Holidays emits into a referential asses now only the principal phases it also for the para edible varieties in the et cetera phenomenon so like even with christianity right which long proceed psychoanalysis the role of the family and matt That feel will system right that can be interpreted very directly in inedible sense as a kind of edible structuralism that can be created out of that right so we can take action people. Who do they take like the idea of like the family society family in faith right particularly something like Girl mary jesus and joseph and you know you start using that to understand society a structuralist sense as this universal Central concept right. and so. What does that do by creating a nuclear family. Well it. it's ripe fried at this at that point right in fact psychoanalysis here might even say it. It's indicative of oedipus just to make that move right and so that kind of that kind of Almost wanna call the confusion between all that were that. That's all coming together. Colliding this manner that seems to be what they're getting out as i read them all this kind of coagulates around those and threw it at those matters paragraph for us however the problem is one of knowing if indeed that is where the difference enters in wouldn't the real difference between oedipus structural as well as imaginary p- at all episodes crush and repress desiring production the machines of desire that no longer allow themselves to be reduced to the structure any more than two persons and that constitute the real in itself beyond or beneath the symbolic as well as the imaginary we in no way claim to be taking up an endeavour such as melon skis showing the figures vary according to the social forum under consideration. We even believe what we are told when oedipus is presented as kind of in variant but the question is altogether different. Is there an equivalence between the productions of the unconscious and this in between the desire machines and the structure or rather does not the in variant merely expressed the history of along mistake throughout all its variations and modalities strain of an endless repression. What we are calling into question is the frantic edit possession which psychoanalysis devotes itself practically and theoretically with the combined resources of image and structure. And despite some fine books by certain disciples of the con- we wonder if the cons thought really goes in this direction. Is it merely a matter of at a policing even the skitso or is it a question of something else and even the contrary wouldn't it be better to schizophrenia. Schizophrenia is the domain of the unconscious as well as the social historical demand so as to shatter the iron collar of oedipus and rediscover everywhere the force of desiring production to renew on the level of the real. The tie between the analytic machine desire and production for the unconscious itself is no more structure than personal. It does not symbolize anymore than it. Imagines represents it engineers it is machine iq neither imaginary nor symbolic. It is the real in itself the impossible real and its production. Quite a bit is said here. Could i trouble you to read the very interesting footnote from the conic model. Yes so to read. It's quoting lucon In seminar nine hundred seventy nevertheless. It is not because i preach a return to freud that i'm not able to say that totem and taboo is a twisted story. It is in fact for that reason that we must return to freud. No one helps me to make this known the formation of the unconscious. I am not saying at a possessors. No purpose nor that it co- bears no relationship with what we do. It serves no purpose for the psychoanalyst. That is indeed true. But since psycholanalysts assuredly not psychoanalysts that proves nothing these are things set forth in their appropriate time and place. That was a time. When i was speaking to people who had to be dealt with tactfully psycholanalysts on that level i spoke of the paternal metaphor. I've never spoken of an oedipus complex a lot of set here. Yeah it calls into question. We're con is in relation at one. End it kind of the line from the con- here in what he's talking about is a sort of try to paraphrase. how i interpret it Hi i'm lucon. I talked about things being the father. The mother in all of this. Because i had to in order to deal with the people i was talking with. I didn't really mean. I'm simply utilizing the structures that they understand in order to explain my view of the unconscious and that in itself is kind of what i think. The rest of this paragraph is also about where they're saying that this is how we used a thing to explain stuff. We've now seen that. There are problems with it as they point out the issues with your grandparents or extended family or extra familial situations and now what we've done is we've gone back and said no. They're all at a poll. Actually all of it is there the way that a person deals with their boss the way that they walk their dog. Everything is related to this. Everything comes back to it. And that's the problem is that it doesn't allow things to be what they are at forces them into this very very specific trying they foreshadow a their whole like chapter three as well in this paragraph at the sense or rather does not the in variant expressed the history of along mistake throughout all its variations in modalities the strain of endless repression. And like they make a very clear points on like in the primitive socialis versus the despotic Versus like the earth's dot versus the like presentation and capitalism. How they like the the use of incest. In general or epa specifically as the thing to repress desire increases it goes from simply making a displaced representation to becoming the like repressing representation itself and find as like widens out and opens up into a triangle throughout the evolution of associates worth noting. Just because we have a lovely two commenter is names. Terrence blake familiar he says oedipus restrained generalized. Oedipus in french uses the same terms as for special relativity or general relativity so we could translate as special theory of at and the general theory of oedipus which is actually really interesting can I don't really understand what the real issues. And because it it comes from a lago right that term or it's it's from i'll give it a very shitty version of it. It it is one hundred percent of the con- the com- basically saw that there's a handful of sort of parts of reality There's the imaginary the symbolic and the real the real as itself is basically the stuff that exists that cannot be reduced to symbols that we cannot talk about symbols We gesture to the real. We can talk around it. Poetry can point at it pretty cleanly It's considered i think the term is the sublime so we talk about the real. It's the stuff that we're i. I have trouble voicing it would be a good sort of example of a thing that is the real whatever we're having trouble voicing either through symbols or through other means also on top of that when a when applied to like the individual. That's like this new triangle of like the the imaginary the symbolic and the real in the the symbolic is like the side of you. The show to others and then the imaginary is the side of you that you tell yourself that you are right. You say like oh other symbolic show. This is not the real me. I know the real knee. And i'm like this and this and this and this and that imaginary but then beneath that is like without. The side of the triangle of the plant to the triangle is like the real. And that's what you really are on. It's like you basically discover that the nothing there or this things that you just can't explain or knowledge of but you like put a barrier between your cell phone and that with the imaginary and it's it's also commonly furlough con the talks about it basically thing about how an infant freshly born views the world. That's almost the This the closest we probably get to the ability to perceive the real sort of as it is without the intermediary of symbolic anything like that at some point the infant through mere stage and a handful of other things becomes editorialized. whatever term. we wanna use at applies. What the concepts and then suddenly becomes a subject and understands its place in now can only deal with the sort of the the symbolic and that kind of things and only point at the real through the use of clever wordplay poetry or art is how i understand the concept so when they're using it here and they're saying for example the line Bizarre machines machines desire that no longer allow themselves to be reduced to the structure any more than two persons and that constitutes the real in itself beyond beneath the symbolic as well as the imaginary their placement. When they about in this is. I mean this is guatieri. All of this writing race here is that this is him having this conversation and saying like look the real is not. It's not this thing that sits there that we kind of have to point it operates and it works and and it is made up of desiring machines. They are this tiny thing that have to sort of talk around a little bit. But they don't allow themselves to be reduced to the structure of oedipus anymore than two person. They're not a thing they're the as they describe it and other places they're they're different than that beneath the symbolic as well as the imaginary or did i go way off. I think i can't speak to combat. I do agree with that. It's just tack on mallam as real right. It's the production of the real. This is a really powerful Engagement with lucon there. I'd be is not only they talking about desire and the unconscious your hat in in terms of the real. But they're saying it's also the production of that the real but when you say that the real is that you can't get through it a through symbols don't really understand how both trie does since language symbols or am. I misunderstanding symbols here. So they can't direct something inside a poetry if i say like The do on the flower lilt. Or i'd say a haiku or something the emotion you're left with the slight perception of a thing that we can't reduce directly to symbol is the real the thing we are referencing and it can be. There's a lot of different sort of takes on that. But it's basically the firmament of reality that can't be directly engaged with without symbols directly. I think the key word here as i understand it but in doing that right you're automatically in the symbolic it's the poetry. Indirectly makes the veterans. Here's a little excerpt vignette from zupan cheeks. On in the book on a delusion lucon taking her chapter was a anthropology or but she has a chapter in there And she writes with the concept of the real lucon gives a conceptual support to the rift the crack lower implied by yet invisible in the deployment of differences and repeated with them he extracts it from its invisibility claiming that psychoanalysis is in the position to actually assign to it. Some minimal consistency. It's it's it's not an easy concept jean-jacques rights on it quite a bit. And i like a lot of his writings and talks about it. He kind of breaks down the real into a handful of categories which caused the real real. Which i think is one of my favorite terms. It's very g jack to say shit like that but That's kind of how views what film sort of teaches us stuff that things don't directly point at we want to work can perceive by the film. Simple example would be movie avatar or dances with wolves or any of these. Don't explicitly say that being a white guy is what saves people but that's totally. What the movies kind of saying sort of like you're engaging with something that isn't literally symbolized or directly symbolize that it's through this sort of intangibility of all of the symbols coexisting. That sorta plays at a thing. This is how poetry and other things access. The real art access is the real in that way stuff like that. So that's kind of the idea. It's a again not the easiest concept. But that's what they're pointing out here and the conversation they're having is very simple with with the khan who utilizes edit position to sort of create this master signifier fallas that gives us our placement inside of the imaginary the real and symbolic and all of these things. They're like a look. Is ed is oedipus. Really macon's point as they say Is it merely a matter of editorializing. The skit is that why he's doing this or is it something else or even the opposite. And then they have direct quote from the con- that is kind of calling him out saying like where he's admitting. Look i i don't actually say. The oedipus complex he does. But i don't actually say that thing i don't really believe in. I have to use it to describe and discuss these terms that are so important with the people who cannot discuss anything else except at it's a everything insists upon oedipus psychoanalysis so if you want to have the conversation that's kind of the only thing you can talk about for the most part i think they're often referring to the earlier lokondo throughout From what i heard so far So yeah the real is difficult because as you know ponchos points out it's not an idea You know it's a conceptual name for was what must go wrong in reality for an idea to appear at all doesn't necessarily have to go wrong I mean there could also be an affirmation. I believe that the and that's why Ties back into the Approach that i think duluth has where he ties it to affirmative experience in that that may be the real speaking there as well. But it's it shows you know she points out here to that That it can relate to thought to the political dimension proper Instead of confining it to the active understand reflecting analyzing reality. The only problem with that is that the foreclosed subject can't actually will struggle with agency or the the the political in the real at least that's my interpretation If they if they haven't passed the eta polite stage the encounter with the real Because of the foreclosed subject by positions that have a difficult time understanding agency or the. Call the Quote unquote political. That's actually a really good summation I am going to move to the next paragraph before we die for it because it gets a little bit more into some of this and again to ben's point they're sort of preview of all chapter three start. You'll start to see where some of the stuff falls in. But what is this long history if we consider it only during the period of psychoanalysis. Does it not take place without doubts. Detours and repentance -is launch and patella note that freud discovers the oedipus complex in eighteen ninety seven in the course of his self analysis but that he doesn't give a generalized theoretical form to it until nineteen twenty-three in the ego and the and that between these two formulations oedipus leads a more or less marginal existence confined for example to a separate chapter on object choice at puberty in three days or to a chapter on typical dreams. In the interpretation of dreams. They say that this is because a certain abandonment by freud of the theory of traumatism and seduction leads not unique vocal determination of oedipus but to the description as well of a spontaneous infantile sexuality of an indulgence nature it is as if quote freud never managed to articulate interrelations of oedipus and infantile sexuality and quote the latter referring to a biological reality of development. The former to a psychic fantasy reality. Oedipus is what all got lost quote for the sake of a biological realism. I don't get this for. Anyone has a kent for me This paragraph is tough. Because i'm not that great freud so so far they're calling into question the sound the add a pull methodology for particularly the methodology. Who is center is at right And we've seen this now. This is right one point eight. This is a main thing in there. Where they're talking about melanie klein being unable to really get out of this. But only water down due to socioeconomic breath so they're on this now and they've just introduced to stay like we can even wonder if laekan means that applies right. Does he go to this or does he simply leave it at the family and is he talking about the family because he has to or because he wants to do. There's this question the methodology as to whether or not it speaking them or if they're putting the turn of the screw on it. I here we've got now we've got the question of. How does freud rides. Who's supposed to be the guy that comes up with the right or the oedipus complex more. So how does freud engage it right. So it's kinda go back to. Are you with the beginning right and in the beginning freud said let there be light. No he didn't say let there be light. He found Oedipus only be sort of a marginal thing rate. He does say it's like remorse. You'll amount but it's kind of impact and to the rest of dream analysis. I think the right even three theories of sexuality that it's not even it's not as big of a deal when he starts it but as you develops in his career. He goes packing. Actually i think he ends up kind of writing in an afterlife for rights of those three essays. Serrate like freud at applies during this process right. And and that's i mean that's helping so one of the things. I obviously a red holland and a few others one of the things. I really like that stuck with me as as quick line. And i think it things me again when i read the line where they say it is as if freud never manage to articulate the interrelations of oedipus infantile sexuality another way to see that would be freud never was able to say what the infantile sexuality or the infants desires towards erogenous zones or anything like that meant what desire means for it was never able to Say what that is. Sort of. Talk about that. The holland's point here and i i i i actually really. I think i'm starting to understand it. Is that the problem is not so much with oedipus like any sort of larger scale thing but it's literally the idea of saying what desire means the problem is that desire doesn't necessarily mean anything and everything we're talking about now is basically Freud and then laekan trying to give meaning to desire at its base level as they talked about the three edible inedible extra apple all these bits of desire. They're trying to give meaning to by placing it inside of a structure called oedipus and saying well. These desires mean oedipus in one way or another And that the the way that this paragraph seems to phrase it. Is that Freud for a great deal of time. He brought up at this. He mentioned it very lightly in books and basically. He didn't super super dive into as far as he could have. All of it and their argument is because he was never able to place edifice correctly on all the desires that he was dealing with specifically infantile sexuality and so it got lost in the shuffle because of biological realism which is kind of an interesting. Just an interesting phrasing for the whole thing. Sorry i'm rambling now. That's pretty much because the problem for joining into as as work developed right at this kind of detour is he can't link oedipus directly or he can't splaine the percent infant's sexuality right says becomes like an occupying problem but with the right so like you're saying the latter referring to biological reality of development the former to a psychic fantasy reality so there's you know there's there's two sides of this that he's struggling with oedipus. What all become lost quote for the sake of a biological realism and quote. So there's a problem of oedipus kind of In relation to creating biological dr realism for freud. Here end. it's a. I'm gonna read the next paragraph because it carries into the conversation. Now i think for me in my head is going where it's like. Okay all got lost for the sake of a biological realism that the understanding and we know biologically it like it's in. It's very odd. Little children might. My son occasionally gets aroused if he has no idea what that is. It happens randomly. He's he's in potty training and he's running around naked right now it's a whole thing so like desire exists for like in a lot of weird ways for us especially in an infant sort of place and so how do these things get expressed. What these mean. It's really sort of the problem and so biological realism being the. They're about to dive into to continue. But is it correct to present things. In this way did the imperialism of oedipus require only the renunciation of biological realism or wasn't something else sacrificed. Oedipus something infinitely stronger for what freud in. The first analyst discover is the domain of free syntheses where everything is possible. Endless connections non-exclusive destructions nonspecific conjunctions partial objects and flows the desiring machines. Pound away in throb in the depths of the unconscious irma's injection the wolf man's tiktok and his coffee machine and also all explanatory apparatus set into motion by freud. All those neurobiological desiring machines and the discovery of the productive unconscious has would appear to be too correlates on the one hand the direct confrontation between desiring production and social production between symptom illogical and collective formations given their identical nature and their differing regimes. And on the other hand the repression that the social machine exercises on desiring machines and the relationship of psychic repression with social repression. This will all be lost or at least singularly compromised with the establishment of a sovereign oedipus. Free association rather than opening onto poly vocal connections confines itself to a univocal impasse. All the chains of the unconscious are by universalized. Linear is d- suspended from a despotic signifier. The whole of desiring production is crushed subjugated to the requirements of representation to the dreary games of what is representative and represented in representation. There is the essential thing the reproduction of desire gives way to a simple representation in the process as well as theory of the cure. The productive unconscious makes way for an unconscious that knows only how to express itself express itself in mib in tragedy in dream. So we're still struggling with this question of how to understand freud in the development of adipose so like as i understand it. Oedipus isn't necessarily something that was created by freud but instead it's his version of like representing the social repression right so like the propagation of psychic repression by social repression the internalisation of the limits of the system that is currently dominant social system. So web freud discovers is at a pissed and he like formalizes its representation. But they're saying it's still simply just representative and because of that like crushes out and flattens like two dimensional is is desire. Yeah and i think i mean they go into and they're applauding freud. Because like album says he spun on the best part of freud's entra lectures is all the free association stuff. The conception of libido as sort of flea free-flowing desire flow whatever like passions the movement of libido the free flowing sort of connections of stuff a lot of the stuff. They're talking about here. Freud kind of that dude or at least one of the one of the people who came up with and really sort of push this. So there's a lot of really good shit. And i think they're saying alongside. He came up with this sort of conception of oedipus it's like oh people's problems really is about this relationship and then he talks about it again but he's like yeah i can't get it to fit doesn't fit everything and Oh well you know if. I make it fit. Be sure we throw out you know biological realism. And they're like no no. No no if you make it fit your crushing everything. Because since it is pure representation and we know that the desire comes from this weird place of partial objects and desiring machines and all of these really tiny bits when you're bringing in a representation that crushes all of that forces it to basically as they say Become by universalized linear is suspended from a despotic signifier. I really like that phrasing of it. Yes i'm gonna come in and summarize again real quick yup and dovetailing on what you just said to. When he had mentioned at the end there about dreams you know the they're really started clarifying the idea of this master signifier particularly in dreams. So when there's some sort of repressed let's say or You know you have seen that occurs in the dream that is likely of sexual scene. Say because for me the the unconscious particularly within dreams more cinematic So lately i've been thinking that you know. Young conscious is structured more like a film or cinema than it is like a language but Any case so the master signifier there in the forty. Cents is the prohibition right. It's the thing that goes on said that's functioning and later it's it kind of evolves or is taken up in polygamy as lack by laukahi so in the dreams when I think in many ways. There's a gestalt move on the part of guitar here to say let's just cut that out. You know when you do you realize that if that master signifier is not in the front of the chain to begin to start linking things then desire is signifying and not the prohibition of desire or the lack of desire laura. Yeah i mean desire. The unconscious doesn't really need a master signifier. That's they're laying out here so there's kind of like getting at how to this last line right. The productive unconscious mates way for an unconscious knows only how to express itself expressed itself myths in tragedy and dream. So i i think brooks that are really well like early. Freud is really is really working with these syntheses has a really nice conceptual lucidity with what's going on the unconscious. But as he's progressing he becomes This is kinda funny he i. It seems like pressure justin that he gets apple last in as he goes right on ironically and in this This is kind of where you see like parallelism more directly emerging right and unconscious as Unconscious that needs stage begins to become the priority as opposed to unseal uncon- as opposed to productive unconscious. It's almost like they're describing it like an may be completely wrong but it really has how the textures describing that like con they got afraid had like this brain worm and i mean they're going to get into basically how oedipus basically creates itself and continues itself but for like. Oh this idea. Quick thing that's fine but then he couldn't get rid of it and over time. It's just ate everything and became everything. Got ed applies. It's how they're describing. It's kind of interesting yang. They haven't exactly laid out. Why that's going to take place and everything right now. They're going through. Like was it. Because freud was looking for biological determinism. Maybe maybe not is it because he was looking for the unconscious to be Really a cycle analysis in relation to freud. Are they looking forward to become this on this kind of like stage for What they're going to analyze as opposed to production of everything right so there is still kind of t trying to tease out why this takes place which they continuing in the next paragraph which dive into continues pretty much spot on the psyche the tapeworm of the psyche is actually kinda what episodes i like that. But who says that dream. Tragedy and myth are adequate to the formations of the unconscious. Even if the work of transformation is taken into account grotesque remained more faithful than freud to the auto production of the unconscious in the co extension of man and nature. It is this. Freud had drawn back from this world of wild production and explosive desire wanting it all costs to restore a little older. They're an order. Made classical owing to the ancient greek theater. For what does it mean to say that. Freud discovered at a piss in his own self analysis. Was it in his self analysis or rather his go theun classical culture in his self analysis. He discovers works. Well now that looks like at first he considers the something a variant of the chameleon romance a paranoiac recording by which desire causes precisely the familial determinations to explode. It is only little by little that he makes the familiar romance on the contrary into a mere dependence on oedipus and that he neurotic sizes everything in the unconscious at the same time as he. Ed applies and closes the familial triangle over the entire unconscious. The skitso there is the enemy. Desiring production is personalized or rather persona legitimized. Imagine arised structure allies d-. We've seen that. The real difference of or frontier did not lie between these terms which are perhaps complementary production is reduced to mere fantasy production production of expression the unconscious ceases to be what it is a factory or workshop to become a theater scene in its staging and not even an avant-garde theater such as existed in. Freud's day but the classical theatre the classical order overrepresentation psychoanalysis psychoanalyst becomes director for a private theater. Rather than the engineer mechanic. Who sets up. Unit of production grapples with the collective agents of production and anti production. So much going on here. I they basically yeah kind of what i said at. Freud applies the shit out of himself when they say familiar romance. Please correct me if i'm wrong. There is a particular thing they're talking about. They're going to google this. I don't wanna be wrong when i'm about to say based on what i remember from the interpretation of dreams he's talking about like He says it's like more pronounced in. I can't remember it's like psychotic or nobody thinks that there is basically like this desire to sleep with the mother right is going gonna move to say like this kind of primordial thing right this thing. That's in the unconscious. We can explain this by looking at what is also an ancient story right. Which is the story of that ups and you'll make the some this association between the two. I think they're also they're tying in kind of like the inevitability of freud's own eh polarization leading to the idea of like an only expressive or fantastic unconscious and also like the reverse of that. Because freud was constantly trying to represent things instead of like produce things than it was inevitable that he was going to like create this representation of oedipus to capture the production of the familiar romance. Yeah he can't deal with like the craziness of it anymore. All the syntheses in them the unconscious of factory. So it's i think you're right the move for him to kind of make it into a theater where it has the sort of like This clearer order right where we can kind of work with that and can get away from the young conscious in this chaotic sentence. I think this is also A reference to his earlier work on hume and without saying it. He's implying that freud is calling this whole The the fantasy of expression or the expression of fantasy and like the representational theater of the mind. These are ideas that are being pulled directly from hume where hume's gonna call like the minder. The imagination A theater without a stage like it's a theater without a building or a stage that contains all of the inter-plays between ideas and that Everything and hume is based on like impressions of reflections and expressing these impressions through relations and associations. So i i feel like he's not directly calling out hume as the precursor to freud's need for a representative theater that leads to the like discovery of the f. complex but i think there's like a common call back to his work there and empiricism and subjectivity. I'm just kinda rambling now. I'm sorry as i did. I read this really interesting book on friday recently. I wanted to confirm it. I just had so Freud in letters that got published in the eighties nine hundred eighty s revealed the fact that his father was a molested and raped him and his sisters and a brother would probably i think has an impact on a safe bet but He writes extensively on his father. Being one of these perverts that does this and that his brother has all of these troubles so when we talk about him at a policing and dealing with a lot of these things and his own neurotics and his own self psychoanalysis which is part of this. I mean it's it's hard not to bring those things and sort of have that conversation around what he was like what his life was like growing up. Because again the oedipus complex is about for him especially the sort of dealing with the as they call it the biological reality but the sexual desires of a child how children deal with parents. How sex becomes something we deal with. There's a lot of stuff that freud wrote in there that i'll say lightly is troublesome but like this seems to be like they don't know any of this yet up to get published until twenty years after this book came out But it's kind of like so little bit of a diagnosis and really reinforce these things are in probably should've said to trigger warning. I think it's fascinating freud's history is fascinating to me was personal his own and how he dealt with his daughter and everything else very interesting stuff. I didn't know any of freud's personal history. Actually so that's kind of interesting. There's a couple of books that published his letters a bunch of letters that came out where he talks about stuff he was doing with colleagues. He's interesting his how he handled his daughter for example because he what all these things. I'm saying things i believe. He believed that lesbianism in a woman meant that she didn't properly connect with her father was out and proud which was a hell of a thing for the time period and so he constantly was trying to get her into therapy and psychoanalysis and trying to change her. I believe i'm ninety. Nine percent sure she ended up staying open out in products she got married or had a life partner died with her. That was freud lived without his whole life and believed it was genuinely like his fault. Which is fucking crazy. But again to talk about oedipus he says all of it's related to her inability to deal with him as a father and a failure of him he put under on himself which is really strange. No at i did not say that homosexuality was bad but he did say was not like he had a very normative idea of these things like it wasn't like my daughter. Lesbianism is evil. He was just like oh It's like it's a problem. she has had. It's so odd the way he talks about this stuff but it's the story of everything and then his his brother and his brother's years of therapy and him basically doing a lot of the stuff sort of talking about these things eventually. I think he said something. Along the lines of like my own neuroticism has been fixed. He but then it's not an it again the next week. So it's a really fascinating sort of thing. If you if you google sigmund freud. Secret letters i think is the website stuff that does it. Sorry to go off this weird tangent. I just found it fascinating. I totally killed the vibe. That's fine that's final. Tick killing the vibe. It happens strikes junior. The next paragraph. You say you killed. The by is a seventeen hindu with your relationship to the father and think bill and ted's the best representation of freud because it just hits the nail on the head like perfectly just so great. We'll continue to the next paragraph a psychoanalysis like the russian revolution. We don't know win. It started going bad. We have to keep going back. Further to the americans to the first international to the secret committee to the first ruptures which signify renunciation by freud. As much as betrayals by those who break with freud himself from the moment of the discovery of oedipus at a is the idealist turning point yet it cannot be said that psychoanalysis work unaware of desiring production the fundamental notions of the economy of desire work and investment. Keep their importance but are subordinated to the forms of an expressive unconscious and no longer to the formations of the productive unconscious. The an edible nature of desiring production remains present but it is fitted over the coordinates of oedipus which translated into pre edible para edible quasi edible etc the desiring machines are always there but they no longer function except behind the consulting room walls behind the walls or in the wings. Such is the place the primal fantasy concedes to desiring machines when it reduces everything to the edible seen. They continue nevertheless to make a hellish racket even the psychoanalyst. Can't ignore them. It tends to maintain an attitude of denial. All of that is surely true but it is still dadi. Mommy over the consulting room door is written. Leave your desiring machines at the door give up your orphan and celebrate machines your tape recorder you a little bike inter- and allow yourself to be at a politest. Everything follows from that beginning with the unreliable character of the cure. It's interminable and highly. Contractual nature flows of speech exchange for flows of money. All that is needed is what is called a psychotic episode after schizophrenic flash. One day we bring our tape recorder into the analysts office stop with this insertion of desiring machine everything is reversed. We have broken the contract. We are not faithful to the major principle of the exclusion of third party. We have introduced a third element the desiring machine in person yet every psychoanalyst underneath oedipus through oedipus behind his business is with desiring machines at the beginning. Psychoanalyst's could not be unaware of the forcing employed to introduce oedipus to inject it into the unconscious. The oedipus fell back on and appropriated desiring production. As if all the productive forces emanated from oedipus of self psychoanalyst became the carrier of oedipus the great agent of anti production in desire the same history as out of capital with its enchanted world. Also at the beginning said marks the first capitalists could not be unaware of the rate ending. I'm going to read The footnote from abrahams here. Are you see. It really isn't so serious. I'm not sure father. And i can still shout. Of course not there. That's enough the doctor. Replies you are imitating father at this moment of course not come off it. I'm meditating your father. The one i see in your eyes you are trying to take the rule. You can't cure people. You can only palm off your father's problems on them problems. You can't get away from and from session to session. You drag along your victims. That way with your father problem. I was the sick. I don't whatever word that is stupid. Pdf why was this sick one. You're the doctor you'd finally reversed your childhood problem of being the child to your father. I was just telephoning extension six zero nine to make your leave six zero nine tabby thrown out the police. That's a daddy your father's a policeman and you were going to call your father to come get me what insanity. You've got all unnerved excited. Just because i brought out a little device that lets us understand what is going on here. I i don't think he's quandary. Qassam i guess nineteen sixty nine but some bridezillas this is really what it is rightly to reverse hall of the ship to the whole power relation right here by the use of Now maybe it's a reporter but this guy. Safe overturn. The adaptation ron on the psychoanalyst. I've i've a question about the expressing shit expressive expressive gotcha versus the product producing unconscious. And that is they presented as being sort of mutually exclusive and that i can imagine version where they break. Something is both producing an expressing. No well they don't say that like there's no expression with as i think what they're saying is the unconscious is productive and if you like crush the production and the desiring production of the unconscious the only thing that can do is now produced fantasies which are can only produce them in expression. Yes i would say so for them. They would say. Desiring machines are productive because they're just creating they're doing shit with partial objects. They're putting pieces together. Things come out the other side really simple version of it. Please don't hate me when it comes in. It basically goes. Oh all of. That's great you guys. Think of as the the guy who just bought the factory comes in. He's like hey love what you guys do that. The art the crafts all dish. It is great. I need stuff. I need. this thing made over there. That's what you're doing now. Now they don't know how to make this stuff they've gotta figure it out. The desire machines don't produce like representation. That's not how it works but now the unconscious has to because it can only deal in representation has to make everything mommy. Daddy desires which are partial objects desires. Which deal with little tiny little bits of things whole objects now have to deal with whole objects so in order to do this. We have to create the theater. I have to create daddy. I have to place him in a spot. I have to connect these representations to things and that's not actually how the unconscious is intended to work. It's intended to be productive and push out a lot of different things not whole objects and the whole object. Part is what they're talking about the the play of representation because now i can only communicate in this way my psychoanalyst demands. I speak of things in terms of daddy. Mommy and that's the joke at the bottom here the This is like a little play. That john abraham's wrote I'm sorry. I anglicized everything. Anyone who's french he did. A lot of like sort of this is like an intentional joke. Making fun of what happens inside of these scenes and inside of the psychoanalyst office and the joke here is that the patient is like kind of. Let's say healthy. He's fine and he's yelling at the guys. Like i'm not i'm not. I'm not at a polite as you are. You're the one who's demanding everything. Become an politest and like turns it around back on basically the psychoanalyst. And that's i think this last paragraph is talking about that as well. We're they're like Wait we've brought desiring machines and oh no everything's reversed the joke here. It's like no no. It's no longer just my representations and the way you demand to be now we have a third person now. It's too much because you can't triangulate all of us inside of that psychoanalyst to me. It's it's not a pure thing where you're able to not have anything else affect this. Which is kind of how psychoanalysts talk about this stuff. He's like there's a lot happening and there's a lot more stuff that's involved here is how i read that. So they they will talk about mitha elsewhere night. They talked about young little bit prior to this right. But what they're they're getting on this. This section is to try and understand. How oedipus has this imperialist aspect to. How does it happen that we have this problem. That applies asian articulately. In psychoanalysis right. And they're looking at how the holy family or more so. The family plays into that. And how oedipus plays into Oedipus is kind of like part of that nuclear family to place right. There's like relationship there as we go on we give from forty. Two rights of freud starts out really interested in in losing gwalior would say as the productive unconsciously the unconscious factory right but over time. There's a question of his looking to try and explain infantile desire if so why can't he express it had a plea right. He runs into a problem there. It seems or maybe that's not sufficient. Is he instead trying to deal with like the production fantasy so they they have these questions as to why you know what freud's motives might be but the one thing that seems to stick his not. It became easier. It sounds like to deal with a representation of the unconscious then to deal with young conscious as factory which is with the stage at It's sat will allow for the way. The representation can play out and thereby to brooks point so rarely what the stage does is. It starts to limit. Desiring production has starts to a fact the the productive unconscious right so this representation has a way of actually affecting How production's going to work. Even though it's not the productive itself and i just put a fine point i'm gonna post. I just spent bullet googling that john rock opera hams from can pronounce right but the cover of his book of the the man with the microphone. Which is where this came from. I think says his intention pretty clearly. It's for those on voice. It's a i think a psychoanalyst being choked by the tape recorder looks like quite violently. Did you draw this. This literally from the his literally from his book published in this edition was published in nineteen seventy six. Can i ask a question. That is perhaps totally off topic or is it still time where no no i think. Let's go we'll just open it up with the recording going. But we're done with the reading please if you have any questions or anything about this section things related to it. Let's go for it. This has never happened before that that were on time. It is the shortest action in the entire book. So yeah and also relatively easy or at least understand. I feel like if you read chapter one. This is relatively easy to go. I think the earth is shorter. But there i mean there are. I think paragraphs longer than the section inside of this book and so my question is maybe very athletic or more of a. Let's say showered thought type of question. And that is that they are of course the they're making this book in the context of rambled analysis in france throughout literature. Literal therapy philosophy social science right but they are advocating or subverting certain mental illnesses and men. Now did i say that i love. I should maybe not call it a mental illness but at least a very clear point that they're not like romanticizing or advocating like schizophrenia. It's almost like they. They're using the term like skis and schizophrenia. In like the very latin meaning of like break. Okay so he's writing a chapter for the address that very directly so few. If you just opened up the cry you could see how you'd be like. Oh wow their time on. Clinical clinical psychology is the string solution. Dollar all our notes alvear. They're getting that He's right the schizophrenia and paranoiac and this is what chapter one does right it lays out those processes and what they mean by those terms right but they are. They are reconceptualise in schizophrenia. And paranoiac you're well. I think most of the. I think they do see a lot of things in the clinical schizophrenic psychotic would attend the one two years. I'm but not not in the schizophrenic. Who is like bedridden as dealers often uses time. They're not talking about like the schizophrenic. Put away in the asylum talking about like the schizophrenic who walks throughout the world and and it's free freely interprets So i think it's all although it's not directly not directly. Referencing clinical psychosis schizophrenia. I think it's wrong to two entirely say that they're not talking about that either. They definitely off. So i guess my my my question incomes to. Because i i am not reading this as gervais gatien of of certain medical conditions at all. It's just that there's one site to it that i'm maybe missing so far in the book and i'm wondering if maybe it's coming later or maybe outta work that address it and that is sort of maybe addressing of empathy or the experience of the other and that the reason why i'm asking is because funding enough to me. One of the prime association said they have with the schizophrenic. Even even how they describe it is that edge even without idea if the subject it is something let's say non social and i'm just wondering if they what their ideas on empathy are not necessarily talking subject to subject empathy Keep in mind. They're building out. How the unconscious words rights like the schizophrenic is a process it's not a person in the same way the paranoiac isn't exactly a person. It's a process and one of Of production so it would invite Talking about the capability to understand what somebody else's feeling or are you talking about feeling envy else feels or are you talking about acting inside this of somebody else for no other sake I guess i'm more talking about a phenomenal. Mandate word logical phenomena logical empathy. What that means like you saying like. Would you mean by phonological empathy. Even yeah i guess. I guess i i should. I should know this better but Do you mean like in a bird. Sonian sir like levin asean or i. I only know middle ponti a little bit and her because when people say like sometimes people say all. I'm being very empathetic. And will they really mean as doing something someone else right. And then because there's like a woman pithy of like feeling somebody else feels like see somebody else's up saying you feel upset then. It's like a call with empathy if like seeing some the upset and then like understanding. Why that though that they are upset and maybe why would let me try to give maybe my own answer to the question and maybe understatement. My question better if it tried to give my own enter And that is could. It may be that their whole idea of things. Interacting so desiring machines interacting and connecting that that could be led a metaphysical groundwork for a phenomenology feminine logical empathy. And how i understand that is. It doesn't even need necessarily subject but the idea of creating a creating a view on the world through the experience of others but the other doesn't have to be like a person or something. But yeah i think that's a strange way of preparing to using the time anthony but I think i'm is already. Yeah of false notion of a separation from oneself and the world like let's face get while you're doing you're saying that this like a difference between between that and and like exploring the wealth through yourself right but i think part of the plant like from fulham analytical perspective the plant would be is that there is no difference because because you only other through yourself anyway yen back teen even criticizes bird for this radical idea that aesthetic can tuition can put you into somebody else's shoes would be to say that two different consciousness would become one which is impossible right because then there wouldn't be to follow there wouldn't be you'd have to explain how they become one in these and they somehow have this my to- associate it's magic. It's like tickle connection happens. Yeah the power aesthetic intuition but to that point so they're not doing a phenomenal logical method. Right now i suppose one could take phenomenology and try to incorporate this production of the unconscious and maybe deal with how that affects consciousness and build out something now way that might be possible and be a lot of work But for them right. It's not so much about. How do i be empathetic riley. The ethics that fall follows. There's an ethics that i think is very clear when they talk about things like connections and deprivation rate which seems to me to have ethical connotations. Their efforts in this book is very much tied into all unconscious. Production and that relationship with Parallelism i let's just leave it there to keep it simple but the ethics that i think you can pull out. This book would not necessarily be a phenomenal logical one. because they're not dealing with like my consciousness in relation to all these other consciousnesses in this problem. Where i i can't know somebody else but got to like do. I have a dialogue with them. Do i try to intuit their perspective for losing losing watery. It's always connected in the first place. Right so it's it's a really different framing of the natural together. I mean i. It's quite high. Gary in any way but that the orion the distinction there is that we could almost school a phenomenology of the unconscious rather than phenomenology is strictly study off the conscious rain And it's much more talking about like it's it's more procedural in that way because it's like the prices upon which we even come to phenomenal logical conclusions. And i see that as a very big mary because they're not dealing with like for them. Is that circular thing moving through the through the assemblies right. That's not my consciousness. This unconscious ego. That's inbuilt that's moving through partial objects that's part of that subject to being group. Sons said to me that would how do you deal with that phenomenologically right. I mean they the whole planet. Phenomenologically dogmatically jacked What you saw. Let's say about it. Earliest archer to at least because i don't want to get criticized too hard for this because i haven't read enough of his work. But the transcendental ego does reject the unconscious yet. The point is to exclude everything except the conscious. Study the conscious. Kinda the point of phenomenology right right because especially like the question of intend to for such rate or even if it's not just in temp even if we're gonna talk about feelings right the i feel still putting this into like. How do we deal with on the ego and a conscious sons as opposed to in the same way he talks about like the. I think right Whether or not we're just doing with intention we're still dealing with like the i and the conscious sense to like the The someone will have to help me out with the pronunciation but the patch eh stab he popol. Yeah the right. That would make sense. Quadri. 'cause i would the doors whereas transcendental ego gonna take a step back right. I mean there is still an eap. Okay larry and that's like i spy will. You could take a look at at this book. Is that there is still a her hit. History not like present in the formation of these of like becoming true. I mean even the passive syntheses right but that that influence is still. I think not going to be in a phenomenon. Like their methodology would still back on some level of allergy. Happens for really anyway. Yeah because they're talking about before before they're like we're going to lay out what it means talk about things phenomenologically. And that's when they talk about the uk initially so it actually comes before the field of phenomenology actually existing in the tax. I love that. I was able to understand a few of those words. So thank you guys for talking any questions. It's not about what they just discussed i will. I'll go back a bail and our belan asked Just quick thing because they do mention it lightly what is a syllabus machine. In the realm of all these other machines we'll have a quick version of that it's it's emerges million badges the wrong time but it springs from the paranoiac machine. The paranoiac machine is like a rejection of connections right and gradually like this tension brought upon by the paranoiac machine builds up and builds up and builds up until this like a a celebrate birth of of the celebrate machine that like miraculously comes into existence in the example that they gave for it elia a remember in which section but they took by. The elliott is the realization of like Being trans bad realizing all. I am a woman. Whatever is like a like a thing. Let's just suddenly seems to miraculously born from these tensions that you have before is the paranoiac machine in the schizophrenic machine. When the body without organs investing during the second mushrooms investment when it's When it's creating the paranoid schizophrenic policies that tension is Transferred seated into the celebrate machine. And that's where you get. What your time. Which is the so. That's what it was. You could set somewhat like tiffany. But i think maybe a broader town yet. They're born out of a sort of interactions with social machines. Like the the they don't have the birth in the same place as desiring machines sort of in that core found of desire. Why there i think. The term him celebrate machines because they don't have the sort of sexual orientation that comes with them. Is that fair. but compared i mean it could. It could be sexual. Doesn't have to be suddenly it. It's just like an emergence of a property like whatever that inscription is on on the within the the settlement machine prior to it Becoming a parent is a which is like a nonspecific thing. One of the fun Sections easier to get through. We'll be diving into more difficulty very soon here. Because we're about to get into the three texts of freud. Which is i'm gonna have to spend all this next seven days up until the next reading like studying this again because remember the first time around. This is when we start getting into like shredder. This is when we start getting into blah blah and all these little things. I do not have the background and at all. So i have to this time because now i'm the one leading the conversation that'll be really fun. Think all of you guys for joining us today. I'm going to cut the recording short and say thank you to our viewers. We had twenty seven viewers. today is like come on. That's crazy it's more than yesterday also to be fair. Today's conversation with significant Whoa whoa won't Ooh were in. Yeah Ooh Ooh ooh ooh ooh.

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Tudo comea dentro de voc  O Sagrado

Feliz Dia Novo

17:22 min | 7 months ago

Tudo comea dentro de voc O Sagrado

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12 Elementos da Gesto de Excelncia - Q05: Meu supervisor, ou algum no trabalho, parece importar-se comigo como pessoa - S01E33

Talentos para o Sucesso

15:03 min | 8 months ago

12 Elementos da Gesto de Excelncia - Q05: Meu supervisor, ou algum no trabalho, parece importar-se comigo como pessoa - S01E33

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Coachcast #1376  Seja mais confiante

COACHCAST Brasil

17:14 min | 3 months ago

Coachcast #1376 Seja mais confiante

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Resenha: Therion - Leviathan (Symphonic/Operatic Metal Sueco)

Metal Mantra Podcast

17:12 min | 8 months ago

Resenha: Therion - Leviathan (Symphonic/Operatic Metal Sueco)

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Coachcast #1363  Di onde?

COACHCAST Brasil

07:32 min | 3 months ago

Coachcast #1363 Di onde?

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Se tivssemos na juventude a sabedoria da velhice, no teramos cometidos os erros maravilhosos do passado

Feliz Dia Novo

04:01 min | 7 months ago

Se tivssemos na juventude a sabedoria da velhice, no teramos cometidos os erros maravilhosos do passado

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#323 - Rir  um ato de resistncia!

Podcast Metanoia

48:26 min | 4 months ago

#323 - Rir um ato de resistncia!

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SHAVO ODADJIAN afirma que "mal-entendidos entre os membros da banda" so os culpados pela falta de um novo lbum do SYSTEM OF A DOWN - Ritual Metal Mantra #004

Metal Mantra Podcast

16:52 min | 7 months ago

SHAVO ODADJIAN afirma que "mal-entendidos entre os membros da banda" so os culpados pela falta de um novo lbum do SYSTEM OF A DOWN - Ritual Metal Mantra #004

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12 Elementos da Gesto de Excelncia - Q06: H algum no trabalho que estimula meu desenvolvimento - S01E34

Talentos para o Sucesso

20:17 min | 8 months ago

12 Elementos da Gesto de Excelncia - Q06: H algum no trabalho que estimula meu desenvolvimento - S01E34

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Espai Quera  Viajando Despacio 231

Podcast RadioViajera

33:18 min | 5 months ago

Espai Quera Viajando Despacio 231

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Como voc se v, como uma pessoa de sorte ou de azar?

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Como voc se v, como uma pessoa de sorte ou de azar?

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#356 - A Orao do Pai Nosso (pt. 03)

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Dia do Atleta: por que no dia 21 de dezembro comemorado o Dia do Atleta?

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Como no envelhecer

Feliz Dia Novo

03:40 min | 2 months ago

Como no envelhecer

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Voc  o principal autor da sua vida

Feliz Dia Novo

03:37 min | 2 months ago

Voc o principal autor da sua vida

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yoga - bharateeyatha

GopikaViswam (SriRadheKrishna)

05:24 min | 3 months ago

yoga - bharateeyatha

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NPR News: 03-19-2020 2AM ET

NPR News Now

04:39 min | 1 year ago

NPR News: 03-19-2020 2AM ET

"Live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Shay Stevens. The White House's Corona Virus Response Coordinator is expressing to May dismay that? Some millennials feel there are immune to the corona virus disease. Dr Deborah Burke says early indications that young people were not severely affected by. The virus may have been wrong. We have not seen any significant mortality in the children but we are concerned about the early reports coming out of Italy and France burqas. Young adults are being asked to stop going out. Meanwhile president trump has invoked emergency powers to ramp up production of ventilators and other medical supplies. Trump says he'll expand the nation's capacity for diagnostic testing and the PLA Navy hospital ships to alleviate the burden on the medical system. The president has signed a second emergency aid package that includes direct cash payments to American workers beginning next month meanwhile at least two members of Congress tested positive for corona virus for the first time since nine eleven the New York Stock Exchange is shutting down. It's crowded frenzied floor Monday. Npr's Jim Zarroli. Reports at the exchange will begin all electronic trading. The exchange says it's taking this step as a precaution amid the corona virus outbreak. It will continue to operate on the same schedule but all trades will be conducted electronically the New York. Stock Exchange has long been the most famous stock trading venue in the world densely packed with floor traders barking orders at a fever pitch it retains its iconic status in part because TV broadcasters still use it as a backdrop but in the age of computer trading it no longer serves the same function as it used to Jim Zarroli. Npr News New York in pre-market Trading Dow futures are down over three percent following a six percent drop in Wednesday's trading on Asian market shares. Are broadly lower in Europe. Traffic jams up to thirty seven miles long are forming it. Several EU borders NPR's Rob Schmitz reports at this comes as governments implement strict measures to stop the corona virus pandemic while European leaders have banned entry to all non EU citizens for the next month the governments of Germany Poland and Hungary either wholly or partially shut down their land borders inside the EU vehicles are left in traffic jams lasting dozens of miles leaving drivers waiting up to eighteen hours to get out of them. Poland's government closed. Its borders Saturday night with all. Foreigners denied entry unless they live in the country Estonia. Latvia vowed to send ships to bring home hundreds of its citizens stranded along the German Polish border. Meanwhile the government of Hungary opened its borders in phases on Tuesday in an effort to alleviate. Traffic there panic. Travelers have been waiting there for days. Rob Schmitz. Npr News Berlin and from Washington. You're listening to NPR news. Puerto Rico taking steps to shut its airports amid the Kovic Nineteen outbreak as Rena Paul reports the US territory has five confirmed cases of the disease. All of them linked to visitors. Puerto Rico Governor Wanda Vazquez has asked the Federal Aviation Administration to suspend all incoming international and domestic flights to the island for fourteen days the US territory has instituted strict measures to prevent the spread of Cova nineteen through March thirtieth non-essential businesses have been shuttered and residents and tourists have been told to mostly stay in their homes and hotel rooms. The island has a large elderly population that is considered especially vulnerable to the virus. The FAA has not yet responded to Puerto Rico's request for NPR news. I'm RENA PULSA IN AGUADA and California. Governor Gavin Newsom says his status sitting assign one hundred and fifty million dollars to protect the homeless from Corona virus by installing trailers and making hotel motel rooms available among other things. California has the nation's greatest number of homeless people who have fewer options when it comes to save distancing in hygiene newsom estimates that as many as sixty thousand homeless California's could end up being infected. He also says that two large hospitals in northern and southern California it will make beds available corona virus patients the US Agriculture Department plans to appeal a court order blocking changes to the nations food. Stamp System able bodied adults without dependents must meet certain work requirements to keep getting benefits but individual states can waive the restrictions. The trump administration's wants to eliminate those waivers this is NPR news in Washington.

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