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"Sovereign decisions that are being made by the countries that are facing the impacts alone. This is something we really need to look out as global populous because those individuals nation-states decisions impact neighboring countries and also domestically. Because as you know you've got a very Agra Delhi residents right and they should be angry because this is something. This is a government failure right. This policy really bad policy. That could have been been looked at carefully. And now we're at a point where a lot of farmers and the state open job is used to it. This is guaranteed buyout procurement of rice and wheat by by the government to ration out to the rest of the country whereas this type of procurement could have been done in states that made more sense to actually raise the rice crops like West Bengal Bengals. That actually has the water indigenously on the crop and digital ously as opposed to the unnatural measures in which it's being cultivated in places like Ben job also. Oh nobody in Punjab eats rice. I mean that's true there is. You're going to see some rice eaters but it's a rotea eating state so it's exactly and so it really just didn't didn't make sense how this was set up a region like Ben job should be growing things like maize. They should not be doing rice. So that's an issue and then ultimately the government needs to stop stop making electricity free. We don't have the luxury of just handing out energy like that because that is ultimately why we have carbon emissions increasing despite the recognition and awareness that we need to reduce our consumption we we increase globally energy consumption by two point nine percent last year. And that's because of water intensive practices like rice cultivation. There's little finger pointing going on right now in India politically what stake here. I think the future of you've the economy really is at stake and I'll give you one example. I very good friends who are from London. Which is where I spent my twenty s and they decide? They're they're originally from Delhi and they decided that they were going to move back to India to grow their business And there's a great entrepreneurial seen right outside of Delhi in in Delhi and in Gurgaon which has really attractive to young entrepreneurs globe entrepreneurs and so you had these Ethnically Indian students who studied abroad in the UK. Go back to Where they were born and raised and regret it now so I was having a discussion with my friend who started in a business? That's doing incredibly well. In Asia based out of Delhi and and she says there's a lot of talk about whether or not future entrepreneurs should bother going back to the country that they wanted to build their business out in so it's not necessarily certainly good news for the future of India and its economy. Government have been having out half a million face Mars. They know that there's a little political heat for them. Especially because you know jellies Philip Middle Class voters who pay taxes Is this enough. Well I do appreciate some of the solutions that the government is attempting to put forward in addition to protecting people in the short term just looking at health. Because of recognition of the respiratory issues the chronic not just even respiratory but the developmental delays and other a chronic issues that come from breathing in two packs of cigarettes equivalent of two packs of cigarettes. A day So what they're trying to do is get this technology called happy this cedars which are attachments mounted on tractors that whole plant weed seeds without getting jammed up in the rice straw stubble from the rice crop. So the issue is that they're really expensive and they They guzzled diesel. And so they're out of reach for a lot of farmers and this is these are the types of technologies that the government can really get out and incentivize or subsidize so that farmers actually start using them. So it's these kinds of things that in the short run immediately in in addition to protecting the public also helps farmers and helps their livelihood and helps incentivise them do the right thing not just for their personal economic gains but also for the health of the Community Kennedy as a whole when it comes to warming of the climate and smog and stuff like that India has made moves to move away from fossil fuels. So be it reluctantly. Because they have a growing dynamic population developing-country argument of like. Let us develop what you did in. The West is very passionate and they nearly didn't silence the Paris climate accord's you know All that moves in India to sort of get real about renewable energy lied. China's costumed electric vehicles solar power over one step forward to stay spike. Sometimes I think there's a real growing recognition that this is an issue that they're not going to be able to develop in the way that we've traditionally seen around the world that there will need to be implementation of green technology across all sectors and the same amount AH prosperity can be reached given that the new technologies are really able to be skilled and able to actually be implemented. We didn't have that luxury fifty years ago so the fact that we have gotten to the point where at why wouldn't you take advantage of it if it's going to result in the same if not even better prosperity of your country but also really improve or not hurt the health of your citizens India gets it because even before the smog the yearly anticipated smog. There's a water crisis. There's real water scarcity issues throughout throughout the country they may run out grant groundwater in the next year. Twenty one Indian cities including Delhi are at risk for those so the the country really has to confront a lot of series of issues right so all of these are linked the planet warming all of these are linked to energy consumption And with it comes smog with it comes. Water scarcity with comes food insecurity vulnerability during heatwaves disease from deteriorating sanitation and potentially regional conflicts over water access so that awareness that India the complexity of the interconnected impacts related to the planet warming. There is that awareness there and there is definitely definitely support and desire to be able to take the new technologies that are up skilled them but the issue. The question that remains that you and I have been talking about is at what caused an. Is it fast enough. I WanNa read this from Justice Aroon Mischer in new Supreme Court. Had these things to say on Monday every year. This is happening every year. Deadliest choking mm for ten to fifteen days as you were saying before this can happen in a civilized country. They're a passing the buck to each other. They have no responsibility towards their own people. Everybody is only interested in gimmicks and elections and this lost elections is sometimes India's complicated complicated and vibrant democracy actually a hindrance when you're trying to plan these big rollout. Climate change initiatives the record by in from everyone everyone to sort of buying at the same time. Yeah no I think one word really sums it up. It's corruption and we have not been able to overcome the corruption that has led some of these really bad policies Still on the table they. It is very clear. What's wrong here? It's not that we don't know what the issues whose are it's just. Why haven't we been able to overcome them yet? It's literally because of those Very corrupt innate practices. That just haven't been. They found out and ratted yet. And so the vehicle for example the Switching out vehicles based on whether they're even or odd pleaded license from in Beijing right. It's not enough. It's not even close to enough it's the vehicle emissions is just one small component of. What's really happening here again? It's sustainable agricultural practices actresses that haven't been put into effect because it's really easy not to pay the fines. It's illegal to do this type of burning. That's causing the song. The majority of the smog is caused by this burning right fifty fifty percent. At least if you can just bribe a elected official to look the other way so that you can you know light a match and make it really easy for you to get rid of this double. Then that's what will continue and that's really why we're in the situation we're in. It is corruption so final so because you know we're all living in a fast paced modern world and you know ten fifteen days a year putting up with a bit of small. Maybe you know not driving as much. Stay indoors tape windows. Is this sort of a price that people labeling telia willing to pay I mean I'm going to India many very industrious people they just want to get on with life and you know and do their staff or is this just a price of modern life or do you think it's going to reach a tipping point. Yeah well let's put it this way. There's two million premature debts up to right because of this All the effects related to this air pollution being at the toxic levels that it is and India's already almost one point four billion people. So what's a few million people getting lost here there. No that people still. I think some people think like that but we're adding another almost half a million people to India's population it's going to overtake China by mid century is the most populous country. And here's is what people don't put together. As a behavioral scientist I study Is Cumulative risk so everyone year one to two million people is is one thing but every year as you increase the population and it gets worse because of more energy consumption because policies still haven't been shifted fast enough your we're looking at increasing numbers of deaths and we're looking at real risk that comes to your to your physical wellbeing in your health and that cumulative risk I think is going what if nothing else wake people up. It's like smoking a cigarette and nobody thinks about smoking one cigarette but smoking many cigarettes over time. It's the same exact thing these individuals living in my country. Smoking two packs of cigarettes for two weeks a year every year as their as their aging. And this is not good for you. You as you age. And as the population ages or for the half a million children that are going to be born with developmental delays. Because of this so yes real issue here should so really good point to think about the future generations as well talk to ship the Chakrabarti thanks for joining us. You of course are risk and behavioral scientists which is pretty key for this sort of thing but also an expert on climate change. I just want to say that the heat is produced by CDC in America or executive producer is tariff H.. Our senior producer is. Joan Gilmore. The Guest Booker Rosanna L.. Shape our digital producer. Of course. He's sitting in here right here. Is Joshua Bar and a director of digital development is Michael Sugary once get eighteen thousand. Thanks for listening and remember. If you have a comment or question about today's Poku send us an email. You can find us at heat pocus.