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Episode 1085 - Scott Caan

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Episode 1085 - Scott Caan

"Happy New Year folks. It's twenty twenty and it's time to turn your great idea into a reality with squarespace. Launch Your Passion Project Showcase your your work sell products of any kind of with squarespace with beautiful templates and the ability to customize just about anything you can easily make a beautiful website yourself and if you do get stuck square spaces twenty four seven award. Winning customer support is there to help head to squarespace dot dot com slash W. T. F. for a free trial. And when you're ready to launch us the offer code W T.F to save ten percent off your first purchase of of a website or domain. Oh here we go here we go again twenty twenty another a decade. I made it. I made it. I'm in decades six of me all right. Let's do the show all right. Let's do this. How are you? What the fuckers? Here's what the fuck buddies. What the fuck nears? Happy New Year. Happy new decade. Is that too optimistic. You know we're in it here. We go again. We made it another year. Are things getting better. Some things are definitely not getting better. Other things may be I personally. And then my sixth decade of life on planet Earth fifty six years old and. I don't think I really took into consideration. What this transition means like for me? New Year's is kind of a I I I don't do much on New Year's I don't go to parties. I don't work on new years I used to. Sometimes they used to go out and do the early spot get out in now maybe go out to dinner but the last few years keep a low profile watch a movie. Take it in the The the changing of the year with the someone close to me and that that's usually been the thing. I don't think I really thought about the the fact that we're entering another decade that it's been a decade and that there were some markers this decade I mean. This decade was a decade for me. This was the decade. Really for me it might. This might be the not the last decade but this might be the pinnacle this last decade of the Marc Maron Experience agreeance of the Marc Maron trajectory. We might be arguing downward now so it was a big decade. But I'll talk about that in a minute. Let's get some stuff out of the way today on the show. Scott Caan is is an actor. He's the son of James Caan. He's on Hawaii Five. O that's currently in its tenth season. He's in it's on Friday nights on. CBS I ran into him at Mogadishu. You're in New York City. When I introduced myself he knew who I was? I've liked his work in the oceans movie. Always very funny with Casey Affleck. I have not watched very little Hawaii. Five O I always like James Caan. Tough Ju- you'll you'll feel feel the presence of me poking around in and Scott cons a brain in life for tidbits about his old man but you know you also lived. Scott was no slouch. Ouch he's been there and back in. It was nice to talk to him. Even though I did probably get a little annoying I tend to do that with the sons or daughters of the people who do the things. It's hard to avoid it but usually I'm respectful but I think we got a little something they all anyway. Scott Caan is here my tour dates if I could did the freezing portion the freezing leg of the hey. There's more tour begins Thursday January thirtieth in Cleveland Ohio at the Agora Theater. And then we go to January thirty first in Grand Rapids Michigan at the Fountain Street Church. Saturday February I in Milwaukee Wisconsin at the Turner Hall Ballroom Room Friday February fourteenth. Take a break from the freezing go down to Orlando Florida. At the hard rock live and then onto Tampa on Saturday the fifteenth of February Ed Worry at at Strasbourg Center Thursday February twentieth. Backup to freezing Portland Maine State Theater Friday February Twenty First Providence Rhode Island at the Columbus Theatre. Saturday February twenty-second New Haven Connecticut. At College Street Music Hall and Sunday February Twenty Third Huntington New York at the paramount go to W. pod dot com slash tour for links to all the venues. Can you dig it. All those dates I will be doing with Dean del Rey Eh Dean del Rey and me. So the ten year marker the decade marker the new decade business it was ten ears in September since the beginning of this podcast since we since when I started back in two thousand and nine at the old house in the old garage and that's a that's a big deal. The arc of this decade has been very very impactful and life life-changing period of time for me. I'm now in a new house in a new situation. I'm about to move into the garage of this house. It's a nicer garage. Avi Sweden Sweden. It's all redone and and it just. I guess everything goes on. Things are certainly different but I tried to take a look back with a little bit of gratitude. The tude over the last couple of days as we begin this New Year with some trepidation. Some fearsome hope also some some weariness some the idea of like you know like when can I just ease out but look I just hope that you took a bit of time to express at least to yourself Some gratitude for what you do have and what has gone well and and maybe How how you can do things differently? As I've said before it's difficult to live in a world where you're maybe things are going well for you personally but things outside you seem to be spiraling out of control and I guess it's just we have to find a balance and figure out what we can do to help out. But I reconnected with somebody. If you've been with me on this show. Since the beginning I had a roommate at my old house her name was stash under Zia Stash coup sake she. She used to live with me over at the old house. When I started the podcast she was around man and she she she was is there when I got in the bathtub with my jeans? She was there when we were just starting out trying to figure out how to make money packing envelopes with me sending Swag Swag out to people that that donated. There's it was before gofundme as and before the fan. What is it called Patriot which is wake set up a website? You know if you like the show sense the money I'll send you. I'll send you a t shirt and some stickers. Hundreds of economical of. She was there at the beginning. She live with me and the reason I reached out to her is. I wanted to tell her that Luanda had passed because she added relationship with the cat in the sh the cat used to sleep with her and and she loved that cat. And that's how he reconnected and we had. She came over our shoulder the house and she We talked about how our lives have changed. It's been almost a decade. Read is very nice. 'cause she was there at the beginning. She's doing fine and I'm doing fine and it just is and I wasn't tension. There was one of those situations where I think i. I met with her a couple of times to apologize for the same thing. which wasn't anything? I just felt that you know when she moved out. It was weird but But everything's Okay Man Scott a baby. Yeah things change and it was great to see her and we it was. It all happened because I reached out out of respect for her relationship with my fucking cat with Mike my past cat the Fonda. And now we gotta deal with Monkey. Ma'am monkey seems a little out of sorts. I don't know if that's you know. Maybe I guess they grieve. Why wouldn't they but like I sit down? He climbs up to me. He's literally like a baby. He'll climb onto my chest and just tuck into my shoulder every time and he sweeping I think he took a week or two to you know for him to I guess register that his sister was gone. But maybe that's it is that it I don't know whether it's a New Year folks. It's time for turning over a new leaf turning the page. 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So what are you waiting for. Four head to squarespace dot com slash W. T. F. for a free trial and when you're ready to launch us the offer code W T F to save ten percent off your first purchase of a a website or domain that scores base dot com slash W. t.f offer code W T.F. Look Scott Caan is here and He's on Hawaii five. o I that show must have a lot of fans been on a long time. It's ten thirty and on Friday nights on CBS. We talk about a lot OUGHTA stuff and It was nice to meet him and here. We are being Scott talking. Have you done any voiceover work where he had to wear the cans and talking to a Mike. Scott I've auditioned mm for things that they didn't hire me for but so you know cartoon voices for you know I'd like it. Sounds like a good gig. You have pulled that thing in so like you know right in my mouth. Yeah Yeah yeah no I I got like I said I got a thirteen year old dog. That's been my best friend. And she's got this thing called Degenerate allopathy what is that. It's basically the spinal donald disease were back. Legs shut down and they stopped working. But I'M NOT GONNA I'M NOT GONNA do too much. You know when she you know I live in. I got got a lot of steps. Yeah so she can't really make it up and down the steps now so when she when she can't get up I'm GONNA I'm GonNa end it because you know I'm already leaving actually take hager with me everywhere right now. I'm already league at home. And she looks at me like you know I go with you. Yeah we got a lot of steps you live in New York. No no go live in Laurel Canyon not got fifth floor walk up and there's like forty something steps man. So what do you do. You have a plan you. Yeah I'm just GONNA not push it further than it needs to be pushed. You know you're GONNA YOU'RE GONNA put her down. Yeah they got people that come over and do a man. Yeah I mean do you. The sit there with her and do it but you have someone come over. Yeah have some acting take the vet. No no have someone come over here to deal with this before. I mean like I was telling on you before we started. I'm kind of I'm kind of okay with death. What does that mean? Are you really just think you are a combination of both. I think. Part of me I'm you know there's like a party that gets can be cold to it because you've experienced a lot of it and then there's another part of it that's like you know we you know we're all eventually going to wrestle with God at some point and we never win that one right you know so. It's a tragedy right. We're all GONNA die it doesn't it doesn't end well for any no if you wrote. This is in a movie like this. Is the story and your Diet. Every it's always tragic and one thing we know for sure. Yeah and if look if it were me you know I know what I like to do and if I get to a point you know we're all going to be at that place and we either have to be courageous or not. We either get to go all right. There's more for me to do that. That I look forward to right if not. Let's let's be done and see what's what's next or there's nothing next than let's be done so I I mean I try to reconcile that Shit I mean I'm fifty six and I think about it more than I used to trying to be okay with it because it's on some level it's the one thing we all know for sure that we're GONNA die so on a practical level it should be the one thing that we're all relatively comfortable with but it's actually the one thing we're all terrified out of court and by the way I'm not going to be a tough guy I'm scared of I don't want to die like my life right. It's funny when I was younger. I was reckless because I didn't care. Yeah and I didn't care about What would happen to me now that I really liked life right? Of course now Mike well wait a minute. Now I dig it. I want this to go on for a long time turned around but I just I feel like if I get to a point where I can't do the things that I like to do or like with my dog. I see see that she doesn't want she's not happy. She's not herself anymore. Then I'M GONNA go. What what are we doing anymore? You can have someone put you down is that no but I'm not gonNa you know yeah. I don't know what it is so I don't know what I'm GonNa do. I still got a minute man. I just wanted to happen quick. Yeah I mean that's another thing. Look I don't WanNa do eight years of slowly losing my brain rain and getting goofy. I hope I like to. I'd like to go to the gym at ninety two in the morning and get hit by a bus later in the afternoon. That's perfect. Yeah Ninety two. That's that's that's nice. How your genes your good? I think pretty good. Yeah yeah well I mean now. Are you friends with your. Yeah Oh that's good. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah because it's a must be an odd thing. Because he's like one of these kind of stocky Alpha Jews seventies one of the three. I guess right right. Hey enacting world during world in the world in general I you know I. It's funny I I only knew tough Jews up there. There's plenty of Tuft. Yeah yeah so what do you mean like your family my family. You know people that I knew people knew growing up. Yeah but But yes in the acting world. There's like him and who else the tough Jews. Now you've got burned fall. He's Oh John Brennan thought half to full Jew. I think he might be full. I can't remember. I talked to him. Genuine tough kid. Yeah for sure. Yeah Yeah Shiloh boof. He's a he's a half a genuine tough kid he is yeah. I mean by the way I don't I know John John. Yeah and I actually I used to box. He box box with some people that he bought. Yeah so I've heard stories but genuinely tough and I don't know Shire. I've heard stories that he's a tough kid. It seems like I'm not. I think I'm more of an Alpha Pussy really tough but I mean so you you grew up in Hollywood I did and like the whole like Well how did it work out. I can wha- how many siblings. How many kids is your dad? Have like how that outbreak a lot of different wives. I got a sister that I met when I was twelve that you met when you were. How the fuck does that happen? Did you not know about her. I knew you better but it was just something we didn't really talk about. I walked into the house. I was twelve years old. I was the first wife the Yes yes his first wife well. There's also one that suspect that I think think was an old quickly so I don't know if they count that one but how have might have been before that are after. I don't know anyway. Yeah I walked into the House I was twelve years old and she My Dad said Hey this is your sister Mr Meet your sister and she looked at me and the first thing she did was she said he stoned and yeah I was yeah preserved reserved. And did you have trouble. He looked at me. And you know. He said he's been smoking weed. And I said no shortage guy but you know that was my. That's how our relationship started with my sister and then she you pick me up from school the next day and brought it ate the we dropped in my lap and asked me if I knew how to roll a joint Hollywood so so then. So you're the middle. He's a bad to say on your second year. So you're the second wife Iowa on the son of the second right now and then he's got another one another three the three. Yeah I got I got a twenty eight year old brother. I got a twenty three year old brother and I got a nineteen or twenty brother and the twenty and the twenty three or from the same wife so he stuck with that one. How old is he? He'll be eighty next year and is he working. He's a he's he's actually right now he's he. He's he's obsessed with fixing him you know. He's been a maniac most of his life. He rodeo you raised boats votes. He rode motorcycles. He did everything. You're not supposed to do body so he's just done another back surgery but a pretty heavy one always recovering from that. But it's it's it's a slow tough one. So he's he's kind of working through. Go over there. Yeah Yeah Yeah now. So when you're growing up like who like what's the scene. I mean 'cause like I I've talked to a couple of Hollywood. You know people that you know. I'm on the Hollywood people category. What's okay here? It's not matter Hollywood. People like I've talked talk to people whose parents were in the business and they're in the business at bigly junior for example that specific. It's not it's not a judgement thing. It's a specific diffic- type of lifestyle and throughout the duration of this show. You know if there's anything that starts to reveal itself is you know this is a community like any other community of working people. They just have to be movie stars and completely some of them around their minds and spend too much money right but But like growing up quite the what was. What was the house like? who were the people that were around? Who the things that you were the your peers in that in that world? I mean or your Dad's ads. I mean he was kind of the Anti Hollywood dude he he he sort of Didn't speak highly of that world You know he said if you ever turn out to be one of these Hollywood kids so I'm GonNa give you a beaten talk every day so really. Oh Yeah Yeah and who is. He like like who what was examining. Just don't be don't be a brat or I'll kill you basically you know my dad's you know. He's played tough guys but he's genuinely only a tough guy. He is. Yeah toughest guys I've ever met. I remember reading that year. His father was a butcher. Yeah Yeah I mean. This guy was a my grandfather's hands were like One finger was like to your thumbs. No the Guy Yeah. I knew him he passed when I was I. Think seven or eight years. Yeah but I mean he would you know he could lift people out of cars at seventy years old. He can bend quarters with his hands tomorrow. I'm not kidding. He ripped phone books in half. I mean he was like yeah weirdly. Take strong show you he could do. Yeah Yeah Yeah whip but so anyway containing Hollywood thing. Yeah he anything but this business anything but being like one of these Hollywood people with sort of his his his trip so it Mattie now no because I think he respects what I do a little bit. Yeah he's almost proud but I think you you know it's so weird to hear though isn't it 'cause he was like you know he was doing it a a long time. Yeah I mean. He was in Westerns. You've always in that movie with Dean Martin and he crises like. Yeah Dorado John Wayne. Yeah Yeah Yeah. It's wild wild point. He must have loved show business. Yeah Yeah I mean you know you find something you're good at and they tell you give you money to do it. Why not and you and you like it a little bit? Yeah You keep doing. Yeah and none of the siblings. None of the other people went into show business now. They're all creative dudes. The the boys are all creative. My sister not not so much I mean she might be created. But you didn't really go into that at all. But yeah they're all creative kids one way or the other and they working in the industry a little bit the the second brother he's He's part of a theater group and he works in the theater. And you know I mean as you know it's not it's not You don't you don't just get to go raise your and go okay. Here's here's a job you know. Of course yeah. Yeah I mean I was wondering what their aspirations that. There's no butchers or dentists. There's no bushes are definitely definitely not dentists. It that's not gonNA happen though. No I I remember my my little brother. I went over to the house when he was like twelve years old or something and he was doing homework working. Yeah my dad ended up just taking the homework and doing it and his wife started screaming at him. You GotTa let him do his own homework because he's not going to be a rocket. Scientists don't want like these kids fate is. He's decided already. Yeah so but you didn't start out when you were growing up. We didn't weren't always enacting now right no I mean. At first I was into anything but having to go to school you know. Yeah I didn't like school. which is another thing? I don't think school is for everybody. It's probably true right. I mean it shouldn't where are we going to. What was it? Were you in Hollywood Hollywood high or went to Beverly Hills High School. Yeah Yeah I made it to tenth grade that was it. Yeah what's it but I I got I got I got a record deal And then I went on Tour for the beginning of my eleventh grade year. I was on tour for About nine weeks and at the time if you remember Cypress hill pain I was on tour with those guys and I got off that tour and then they said you're GONNA go back to high school. Oh now and I don't think you're performing the SOS you were a rap guy. I was a rap guy man and you were successful rap guy. I kind of knew but I didn't i. I didn't go get the record or anything. You can't get the record it doesn't exist. I don't think really but you. So you're like the white rap guy. Yeah sure. Did you have a partner. Did you did. His name is Allen Mamani goes by the alchemist. He's a big. He's probably one of the most respected hip hop producers in the HIP hop today. Oh really yeah he selassie stuck with it. Yeah so like okay. I was just sort of looking for a way to be different creative and not have to do what everybody else else was doing. Rap Music in the early nineties was not what it is today it was sort of like the punk music of of my. Yeah it wasn't mainstream. It was anti-establishment test Ashman right sure have been Bibo and being about graffiti and being about break dancing singing and DJ. Yeah that kind of thing was was You know now you got seven-year-old girls who live in fancy neighborhoods hip hop is their thing and sure mothers are pumping hip hop wasn't wasn't yeah. No what's going on home when you well you just want to drop out of high school and the old man all right. Why wasn't really close to the old man? Then I was Kinda he get. He got remarried eight and he was doing that life. And I I was with my mom at the time and repaced off no no wasn't part of your life. No Yeah I mean I just you you know. He's always part of my life. Never like a knock you down. You don't say Fuck You my dad De ah today I saw the rebellion was out. Yeah well we didn't have to. You Know I. I don't know we're all friends more than I just respected him. We had a good friendship. Now your mom or anything you want to drop drop out of high school on the go do up. She was yeah she no not at all man. No she's yeah she My mom she's isn't she she's passed a few years ago six six seven years ago now but she was Pretty interesting lady who was not not normal by any means. I mean I was twelve years old. I got kicked out at school and she walked into the principal's office and told the gophers himself. You know what I mean. She's a different kind of late. What did she was an actress too? She she was a she was actually a pretty good actress. Yes she was a an actor and a model and She was hairstylist as well. Oh yeah it just free spirit kind of person. Yes she was she was. I mean I don't know how she was a bad bitch show she was bad ass. You know what I mean. She She didn't really take a ton of shit she was pretty cold old. Like yeah and You know I said you know. I think I'm good at this thing. And she was like we'll do it. Don't do that other thing. You're not good at fucking. Yeah so all right. How does the rap career stop So we went to we got signed to this This label in Europe and so so we went to go do this show in London. I think it was called top of the POPs or some some goofy. Should I duNno right. It's called but we went there. We look out sixteen eighteen years old We went there and when we got there they had done a remix to our song and our our album was about to come out in the states. And when we got did they say this is the remix and this is what you're going to perform on the show right and it was some goofy house. Knicks of our song wasn't even your mix. They like house. Music at the time was big in London and this is what they want. This is how they wanted to pump our record and leered. Yes so we The night before the We we're getting per diem. Am every day so we decided we gotta keep getting per diem while we're here so we collected all the per diem. Yeah and then on The morning we were supposed to leave and do the rehearsals and do the show. We took a flight to Amsterdam where I never told anybody. You know the the label dropped us and then they call it our label in Back in the states. Which is Tommy boy records at the time and I think that that pissed them off too so then they ended up dropping us and not releasing the record? That's my story I mean. Maybe it's because they found out that the record they didn't like it as much but it's a much better story that they dropped us because we did something you know you ran off with the per diem Wales on TV which we did do yeah. Dan was fine right very fun at seventeen years his old Amsterdam staying in youth hostels for two weeks and you bailed on the TV show. They didn't even say anything now at D.. So you have. Do you have the record most of the songs that we did. Yeah yeah that's that's kind of disappointing that to put your fucking record out. Yeah but then you know look I found something else the I like to do creative with the acting. Yeah Yeah Yeah the acting when we when did you first start doing that We were actually doing a show at the Santa Monica Civic Nick Center and there was a director. What was your rap? Name skills okay skills. Yeah skills in the alchemist skill. No he was actually called mud foot at the time skills in mud foot Okay Yeah if you're looking at you're looking at me like you're kind of making fun of me now. What do you mean why me as much as you are making fun of myself? Yeah Okay Ego. When you're sixteen is amazing you know what I mean I know I? I'm not making funny but it so you can make fun of me. Always it's nice. I mean it's it's I think it's it's a little you can get a little laugh. Yeah why not. I hope everybody's laughing their ass off you know shit Um uh-huh so you're doing a show on saying anyway. Launched edit this or do we just talk and then they got you know older. I get the more self conscious I really happening. I think so I think I get more You know when you're younger you WANNA be a kind of WAGGA. Yeah and then you realize that. That's all bullshit. And then you you get Today you say the wrong you put your foot in your mouth today. Everybody knows about it every we have you done anything anything hateful okay. Good and you'll stop me if I do know you know but I but I appreciate that it is Kinda weird where you know when you have the sort of life lessons especially if you've been an asshole or you've been arrogant where you've left some wreckage you get to a point in your life where you're like. What was Zeynep doing that? Also today like I said you say the wrong thing. And everybody's mad. I think everybody knows is about. I think more I if you do the wrong thing. That's worse to saying the wrong thing. It's not like you're going to drop the N.. Word or something right now. No no yeah so so. I don't know what's appropriate. What's not appropriate anymore not really not really Giovanni have you ever gotten there? No no but I don't know him. I've interviewed him. Yeah yeah very good guy. Yeah he's a good guy intense guy. Good actor very very actor. You have a long time. I did. I've done a couple of movies with them which ones I did. Boiler Room with him or did gone in sixty seconds with him. Oh and I directed a movie that he was called the dog problem. The dog problem. I saw that credit wake that was how many of you directed to two and a half two and a half movies. You've directed in the middle of one. Now no no no I I wrote wrote a movie called mercy that my good friend Patrick directed but we sort of wrote and directed it together. I mean he's the director of the writer but we got we worked on it. He directed I shouldn't into that. Let's come around to that. You're in Santa Monica doing the gate long story short. Yeah this director who was making this movie called the boy called hate About this young uh hoodlum who steals a motorcycle and kills people and he he came to my show and got in touch with me somehow and said. Would you come auditioned for this. And I said no and then when I read it I thought I'd like to ride a motorcycle and then You right at the time. Did I ride motorcycles. Yeah Yeah who ride. Motorcycles Maldive I don't anymore I have a five year old daughter and my my my Gal said when the when she got pregnant. We never ride a motorcycle. Ever I said fine so I haven't ridden a motorcycle five years because she's going to die in the motorcycle that was I think that's what she was going. And it's it's good because he is honored that yeah I I still have a bike but it just sits it's there it's not calling lamb. It does sometimes but I've been here a couple times and yeah I it's fucking scary. Buddy Deane like he got someone A car just random off the road and he went down on the highway and fuck and like got me at skinned up pretty good but he let's look I mean skinned up. Pretty good as you made it. Yeah it's crazy and he didn't ride for awhile because they got by now but he was a lifelong biking. I I think I just like looking cool anyway. So I'm fine with it being gone. I think I never wrote him. Because my dad was an orthopedic surgeon and like he dragged me to the hospital when I was in high school and showed. Okay I got this sort of scared straight shit right. I could've could've used you heard a lot of orthopedic surgeons in my life even taking the hospitals. What did he do knees elbows? Sure he was in the guy back. He didn't needs Backs hips he was full on his partner. DID HANDS HE GETS set. Most bones did some sports Medicine as well. Yeah real deal. I guess I got a yeah I've had a bunch of surgeries. Oh yeah from what from all different stupid stuff. ACL's torn by says broken collar bones from white fallen off. Shit I did I can cars no no. I don't a lot of Brazilian Jujitsu Tokyo's fight on the street. Yeah I like not to have you when I was a kid all the time. I really got into them. Yeah but not as an adult. I think I've been to fights and that's in twenty years right. Yeah Yeah. It's not my impulse to fight him more. I don't go associated. Yeah I get it. Yeah and your smart. I guess some guys. Just don't even think twice. Well I mean you know when you're younger it's like proven stuff but no I hope I know I don't want to feel like I should have been in one one fight we can when we're done with this. We'll go down. I think that don't have a chance here. Everybody's gotTa Chan. Is that true. Yes you learn you. Absolutely it's hit somebody squaring the go to sleep so you could get one three absolutely provoking. You're absolutely not. I don't WanNa fight you at all see Z.. Do this movie at boycott. Hey Yeah so anyway I just when I did I hear sort of realized that this is a good world for me. I didn't know if I wanted to write direct move the lights bringing food but wherever these group of Weirdos was into this trip and that was the first time you've been on a set like that I mean I guess you know my dad. Dad didn't work a ton when I was growing up a lot of time. Off for whatever reason but I didn't really view it when I was a kid has something to do you like okay. This is this man's job but yeah when I was there a part of it I felt like okay. This is my my group of people. Oh yeah there's so many different kinds of people in one place doing different Shit. But it's all it's all like you know this creative energy going towards this one thing. Yeah sounds pretentious but no it's true. It's not pretentious. It's a it's a business and you know when you get on. He says if you if you say something's pretentious than it takes away pretentious right. No I think that like it's weird when there's the thing that we do when you're involved in show business where you know you sort especially if you got more of a kind of a street smart rugged sensibility where you kinda trivialize it. But it's it's fucking real business and people work hard and there's all kinds of people involved in one thing. Yeah working towards this one thing. It's kind of amazing you get on the set and you're like there's like one hundred people that I don't know what they're fucking doing but yet doing real jobs right you know. They founded the fucking person. That's figuring out how to hide your Mica so when you get that bug do you. Do you take acting class. I did I went to this This place called playhouse West is a Oh yeah theater company company in the Jeff Goldblum and Robert Carnegie. That's their place. Yeah but it was a really cool place because it was a part of it was an acting school but then the other part becomes the theater company so after a a couple of years after you learn how to act whatever the hell that means. Yeah then you know you craft of Agra down then there's the next level of it which which is like you become part of the theater group now you're putting a plays all the time and people are working on plays writing plays acting directing in place. You have access to these three theaters right and you on and off for the last twenty years. I've been going back there and putting up plays So it's this great little thing to be a part of anyway. That's what I did and go bomb. Like one of the guys guys who created. He started where he's him in Robert Carnegie Robber Carnegie's I don't know that guy he's one. He's like Sandy. Meisner protege really yeah and and And and do they both teach at the place. I don't Yeah Robert Still teaches there But I don't believe Jeff does anymore. Did he used to a lot. Yeah and did you take what Jeff No with Robert I worked with Jeff a bunch. Yeah you know over the years. He's interesting actor. He's one of my favorites. Yeah he's really seems to be the real deal. What makes assume your favorite like what is it about the way he does it? Just the way the Worke Ray. Yeah but he's he's. I've never met anybody who is more I. I mean in life and when he acts. Who's more attuned with? What's going on with the other person? He's couldn't be more in the moment you know. Yeah Yeah Yeah. And there's something like really interesting inhuman about it's like he's interested in everything and he's interested in that's to me. The best actors are the ones to pay the closest attention. So that's why true compulsive about he's he's he's studying you always and that's you know that's to me acting as you you can plan all the stuff you're GonNa do can just pay attention to what the other guys do one or the other people are doing. And that's what makes people more interesting if they're interesting to begin with and he's very interesting. So yeah he's Mike you know he's been around forever to doing little parts and little things. He's very good man. He's sweet guy too. Yeah he's an acting lesson just because when when he's when you're talking to him he's like Oh really. Yeah and yeah. He's trying to get into your body right now. He wants to work off of it and the other guy was mostly Meisner ish stuff like yeah he studied was Sandy Meisner. So yeah repetitions and did you find that helpful. I mean I still yeah I did. What was it seen studies and you get casting productions at the place and that kind of stuff? The production ended up pretty much. Being what the students did. Peop- students would ride. And then you also you know back in the day back in the day said that but at that time you go get rights shape more as time goes You get rights to do you call Sam French at the rights to do play the dramas producing San French produce. It was that combination of you know people writing people directors would come to the to the school and they would end up directing plays writers would study. I think every good director writer acting a little bit. Yeah because I think the first time I saw you and like notice to you I think was in that There was the one with Jennifer Aniston. Where you play the trainer? Yeah but it was great though like I remember because I didn't know you were and who's that guy and then when I found out your McDonnell. Yeah that makes sense. What makes because if I look look at you you kind of remind me of your man right? Is that right to say. I mean I'm not a handsome guy but there's a moment where my guys it made sense to me. I thought it was douchebag but I thought it was you know he had a full full life inside. Sure that guy thank you. I'll take it and then like when I start to notice you in the All the oceans movies. I don't have to notice me. I mean you know I think like I why would I talk to you. I wasn't yeah good point but But this stuff that you in case you do in those movies very funny to me. Think it's a funny dynamic kids like a comedy team. Thank you guys. Have a thing that kind of built over the three movies. He's where you kinda gotta stick together. Yeah all you're going to do with. Casey is just pay attention to him. He's so interesting and really yeah I think so so I just sort of showed up and just paid attention to AKC reacted to basically. That's it. That's it no homework. No Hawkins Engine Casey here so this goes on like you know. How do you can do you? You find that you're challenging yourself as an actor absolutely not. I've been you know on the movie yet. But it's been a minute I've been on a procedural show for ten years which is longtime dude. Yeah and it's it's listen. I'm no complaints man. I mean you know. I'm lucky to have A. How long are you in in Hawaii? Every year About six days of every month was a hell goes. Yeah just go and I'll do a couple of episodes I don't do all of the episodes anymore okay and then And then you know come off so they don't so they shoot a lot of it just exteriors in Hawaii. All of its in Hawaii like I said though who. I'm just not in all of them. Yeah you were in all of them no in the beginning for how many years two or three years. Yeah Yeah. So that's great so you making money in your sleep deep now. Yeah Yeah. It's good but to answer your question. Am I doing things that I'm really right You know excited about her. What did you ask? What was the challenge in your challenge? No Oh for sure. Oh the Do you want to of course. Yeah Yeah I mean I think that's a guy thing man I mean like how often you know. I'm at the beginning though in web. But you seem like you're always in good stuff and you seem like you're an stuff that you're should be excited about. That are different for me like you know. I didn't like now like my opportunity. Started to happen when I was in my forties so I have a sort of type you know and I've I've done a few movies. Not many and and yeah I can say no but I don't see you I haven't seen you do a ton of stuff again. This is a weird thing to say but I don't see you doing stuff for the paycheck. No I don't I didn't I never set out to do that with acting. Right was never it was never. Do you do anything just for a paycheck. No no not. If it doesn't like that's a pretty amazing. The closest I get to that really is like Like I'm going to go up my iva comedy special social dropping in March and I've got this hour that took me a couple of years to put together and once the comedy specials on sort of dead in the water right so oh I just added like six or seven dates to go make a little money because I can you know but it's me doing but it's something that you've dug deep for my shit. Yeah so what I mean so anyway. That's a that's a right. I never had to do acting because they needed money. Yeah which is a different game it is. Yes because you gotta make compromise. Yeah now did you find that you were being typecast. You mean as a result of why I ended up you know. Do you play the same guy a lot I think I I don't know I don't know maybe when I was younger but Dan you know he's not I thought Gee uh-huh Jockey Dude no no I guess not I guess I my Jockey Dude I duNno I dunno you. Tell me I'll take it. You typecast me. I I just met you know you do the Brazilian whatever resilient you know man you should try it. I I should try something you oh you don't. You're not into any kind of I. I will run up the hill. That's great man. I do exercise and I've worked out and stuff competitive thing and I don't WanNa be crying on a mat notice. Ah I gotTA I know. I'm competitive but I I don't I don't like losing. Yeah I don't like losing you know but you you know how to deal with it because you know you've probably played a lot of shit. Yeah I guess everything Losing personally I get it but you gotta do it Komo and you got to do all that stuff we gotta do. I don't I don't know what you gotTa do. I'm fifty six. What do you do fifty six to get into game? What you WANNA start playing basketball? I play basketball. I don't know I'm just saying stuff. That's difficult hard. It's like. We got to push everything. If you just sitting around. No no I push myself up the hill start running up. It's getting down security. Everyone's different if I didn't have exercising. Ju Jitsu I'd have probably have to take going by go. Forty five minutes up straight up and then I run down. It's like an hour and a half and I hadn't done it in a couple of weeks. I did it today. It was great. Yeah I mean look. You can't have a panic attack while exercising. No that's just a heart attack. That's that's true but you mistake for a panic attack. Yeah yeah yea this is just a panic. Yeah that's that's better if I drop on the health that's good. Yeah happens quickly. Yeah so but I got the the big book of photographs. It's a beautiful book. Thank you so you do that kind of stuff. And also you mentioned like writing and directing now when you do like so. You're right place I do over and a lot of plays like four length Kinda. Yeah Yeah Yeah I was gonNA bring you some. I thought that that would be silly if I would have time to read them but it would have just been uh-huh like giving me French Samuel French book. Yeah and saying here. Let's talk about this. So when did you start writing the place Right about I I don't know ninety eight ninety seven ninety eight because we were having trouble getting the rights to do the place that we wanted to do at the work house. Yeah so I would go home and write scenes and then I would bring the scenes in for different actors and then we'd work on them and then Robert Carnegie was there and he would say keep doing this. Don't stop doing this. And then scenes turned into one turned into full length. Plays plays and then I just I. Just that's where it started and then I just really got into writing. And and what do they produced. Yeah Yeah Yeah I've had. I've had a lot of produce place I that's how I mean. That's how they get published. You got to get them produced and then reviewed and then the big way have you had big openings in New York and stuff. I am sorry. I don't know you don't have to know this. I wish I had no no don't want this could've brought them for. You could read them earlier but you know I. Yeah I You know when you're younger you ever noticed you talk to young people and they wanna tell you all about all the stuff that they're doing I get the less I want to talk about. Anything push what I'm doing. Yes you know. I CAN'T STAND IT I. I don't even want to be on social networking forms. I'm not has feel I mean I don't know the difference so you know I mean I'll creep out on instagram to look into some fake account. Just Oh yeah I don't have you know not like posting pictures of my child and yeah I think new values or whatever I I'll do mushy I've done in my shoes and the cats have done but listen. I'm not knocking. I know but it's like draining. It's like a whole other jobs. Men I mean how many every day I go wait. The today's over you wanted me to also post things and worry about how people respond. That's another thing I don't Wanna I don't WanNa do the wrong thing as much as I don't give a shit what people think of them wanting to be hated either. Yeah you're nervous about that or someone makes a comment. And then I'm like getting into a beef with somebody over the thing that'll happen voided mental hygiene probably and maybe I'm just at the I. Guess if you're young creative today you have to be a part of that. That's what they tell you right. I mean it's a very competitive game. You know what I mean branding machine. Yeah maybe it's true. I don't know but I see a lot of people just like you know. These people are going four five ten times a day. What else are they doing? I look at it and Mike. What's the matter with? Yeah what am I looking at for you ever. Because it's interesting to look at some time so the place because I'm curious about plays actually because a AH theater 'cause I become friends with Tracy Letts Who's WHO's a great player? Yeah and the whole process of writing especially when they're a little abstract is sort of interesting into me so how'd you learn to do it just by reading them and just like you know like I said at the plows worked on we. uh-huh at the school. You weren't really supposed to grab stuff from movies. We were always going after. Yeah good plays 'cause you know on the stage and that three favors birth Shanley David Rabe. Oh yeah rage. Good though Great Shanley what about Shanley. I Dunno Shanley one one of my favorite writers ever. What was his big ways? I'm Italian American Reconciliation Danny and the deep blue sea The Dreamer examines is pillow. Someone just mentioned mentioned this guy to meet today or yesterday women Manhattan Cbo Ryan wrote doubt. He wrote Jehovah's Volcano who. Yeah he wrote MOONSTRUCK INSTRUC- I. I feel like the stupid. Why why why because like? I know that I enjoy theater. If it's good theater and I don't go to it enough I don't seek it out when I do who I find it very moving and unlike anything else. Yeah and I'm always sort of fascinated with it because I don't know how they I don't know how the evolve can be very unusual to me. Sure but as an actor actor. I think that that's the the experience as an actor that yeah that's the one kind of going for the play. Yeah because you get to kind of live it from the beginning to the end and that's the thing and and some of it gets weird can't get weird. Yeah and do you write weird place. I don't know if they're weird. Yeah no my sleep about relationships. You know what's a setting. What's your first big play the first ever wrote the published was called two wrongs. Yeah it's about A man and woman both see the same therapist and the therapist I Tries to set them up which is nothing. Something therapist shouldn't do right. They actually fall in love and then the therapist actually falls in love with the woman as well. Yeah and so. Then the therapist purpose breaks them up and then it explodes. Yeah because he falls in love with her so then he tries to pull them apart and just the idea was to be. I'm into therapists. Purpose and therapy. I think the therapists are interesting. People and I always wondered like today have lives too you know therapists have feelings or you know what I mean. Of course. Of course they do right but as a someone who goes to therapy you just imagine that they're perfect right because they have all the answers. They're smarter than everybody. They know what's going on you. Go Yeah I I'm a fan. Fanta therapy yeah yeah. Did you have a therapist. That sort of inspired that where you're sorta wake the fuck up. There's there's there's a reference to therapists and almost everything I've ever written. Yeah so yeah. So were they helpful. You even the ones that aren't are helpful you know everybody's either here or cautionary tale. Alright I guess or maybe just a a bore and wasted time. That's a cautionary tale. Guess isn't it. I mean your family your friend everybody you either you know either. Look at them and go. I want to do that or I never WanNa do worth status. Quo's at a cautionary tale kind. Yeah I don't WanNa be boring. Yeah I don't want to be not interesting because I've been to therapist. Therapist just started going recently again and and it's it's okay. You know I used to joke about it like when you go back therapy. And if you're in your fifties or your late forties and you don't you don't waste any time you can kind of walk any like all right look. Let's get into it. Yeah why we can't fuck right and I know listen. Knowing knowing what's fucked is is really helpful. I know for sure you know no doubt you know so. I guess there's all these different avenues now with the therapy in terms of like what is his. PTSD and what isn't right from. Because if you everything really right right so if you expand the definition of that you know what what how how much of your problems or whatever your shortcomings are whatever. your your emotional. Obstacles are are based on me maybe emotional trauma that you never never even recognized. This has to be right. Yeah it's just a reframing of the same shit right time right yeah Mommy Daddy would you do it over and over and over and over again guard. I understand stand this a little bit. And that's it right or you take pills. And he just never. I never was always always adverse to pill me too. Yeah I tried them. Yeah yeah I I I mean you mean. Drugs are like yeah. I mean listen. I don't want to down talk. Some people need You know look chemical imbalance or whatever else the truth of the matter is is. We're all All that stuff comes has to come from an right. Yeah there's some people are just born goofy you know right but For the most part I'd say ninety five percent of it is is how we raise our childhood or what screw to supplement a younger. You know it's weird though because as you say like you had a kid and you know you say that there's a party get older and you you're not you don't WanNa be is you know cocky or whatever you know what I mean that the sometimes age just Kinda like the same things aren't as important as they used to sure which is fucking Gift right but then you come up against for me as a guy an older guy. I'm not married and I have been married twice. I've got no kids and there's a reason for that right. I don't don't want kids great. Yeah but I don't know why did you want a kid. I feel like I always wanted a kid so the kid was on purpose. Well yeah pretty much. Yeah Yeah Yeah yeah no I I wanted a kid. I don't know why I wanted a kid I think it's just in my DNA. To WanNA kid. I think it's supposed to be in all all of our. DNA sure on a on premise. Level sure sure but then listen people the decide look at if you can be Happy he and you don't need that. Yeah then then yeah they have your yeah that's a that's a whole other thing to happiness. Happy happy relative term. I mean yes also but I mean if you if you can get through life and in realize. I'm glad I didn't do that. Yeah but I mean you know look I mean what are we here for right. I guess I mean I'm I'm I'm not. I'm not saying it's bad or good. I'm not I'm not either saying I'm just realizing as I get older that like you start to realize it's a finite yes we're back to death you know it's like what is it because he's been a lot of time repeating yourself or doing stupid shit or whatever it is is it that that are your patterns and then one day. You're sort of like I got to make some different choices race right if we're not constantly trying to be better constantly trying. Yeah fix the shit that we've done over and over and over again we're not living right right but also like learning to accept certain things as well right. There's some things like well. This is just the way it is. Yeah Yeah Yeah you know and I got an instead of beat the shit out of myself right sure. Sure sure yeah you can you can fix. What have what have you had success present fixing? That's a pretty big general but in your mind everything man. Ah goofy past is with relationships are how my mother my father and you know being with the woman for ten twelve years in going. Oh this is the way to do it or negating or getting through things right Using different tools that I didn't use before you understanding things or not having to be right. That's a big one right. I mean or able. I Dunno ordinary seeing the big picture of like wait if I could you know make it to the end and be you know content and be with this pro. I mean. Look when you're young. It's about fun right I I guess well what's for me. We all wanted to do was have fun and as I get older. I'm like okay. So you trade a little bit of fun for more meaning all right as you grow older. It's like all right. Let's try to make things Deeper deeper and more meaningful relationships or friendships. Or whatever. You know you're young or your friend. Does something stupid. And you're like I just want to punch him in the mouth and as you get older you guard. How can I helped my friend not being idiot and so I don't want to punch him in the mouth right but when you're younger heads and go fuck you but it's Santa? We could do a whole three hours on what you know when you can be fixed. And what did curious to me in the sense. That like what I do know for sure. He's a lot a lot less. There's a what A lot of the things. I thought were very important. Not I agree and and that gives you a certain amount of leeway. Yeah you know what I mean a little freedom freedom and it just falls away naturally. Yeah which is a fucking gift tomorrow and now like Ya demeaning also like. I'm not that I wasn't a guy that just wanted to have fun now. I'm getting to that point but yeah for I'm fifty six juncture. where I'm like? Well what do I want to do in my life I my my the whole life was fucking struggled to get where I am and then like some somehow or another. The miracle of success happen right and now. I'm sort of like well. I don't know what I WANNA do this right now. Just bought this House and I love it bows vows living in a shack right so I don't know what what do you do now. I work down. Stop I mean right. Keep doing what you're doing when you write. Plays like the like the therapy play. Do you find. Do you find that you resolving things like. Do you find through the writing process that you you're able to enact in resolving and see things differently is that part of the experience no Maybe subconsciously right. It's got you know I mean you know. What did the other subjects you into doing? It's usually about relationships. It's usually about trying to figure that out. Yeah I mean. We're a communal species Russia. We're supposed to be with other people people and that's what I hear. Yeah I mean I tend to like once I get there but yeah getting there is difficult so anything that anything worth digging into his difficult and and we just do the things that are easy. That's boring they're also going to end up being eighty something or ninety something shit. What did I do you know? It's difficult to learn how to play the Qatar. I mean so you got guitars that yeah yeah but that's not easy to do. You could go your whole life and go. I never I never dug deep into that and tried it. I mean I- MARTIAL-ARTS IT'S A. It's a hard thing you get beat up and you get the broken bit but you're you're you you you you accomplished it anyway. Going back to the question I think on on a subconscious level when you're writing something or Acting in some taking a photograph autograph or whatever it is of course. There's a part of that that's You know therapeutic right at the end of the day. If you're a creative person am I still. Don't I don't WanNa do when I grow up. You know what I mean to yeah. I'm still searching for what's going to be the thing that I'm happy that I when I'm dead. I O that exists and to me see that's not. I haven't I certainly haven't done that yet. IT'S NOT HAWAII FIVE O. It's definitely you know. But you're right man it's not and look. I'm lucky enough to do something. Anthony I like enough to get get paid to do. Yeah Man but what seems to me that like the that that is a nice thing to have that Gig because it does afford you a certain amount of freedom to do other things and do things you WanNa do. Yeah well you just start doing. The photographs. Were were directed. My first movie and the documents are no no. This movie called Dallas Three Sixty to the Jeff. Goldblum is actually. I gotTa Watch that movie. How they do? It's okay. I mean it went to festivals had been a movie Did all right but The cinematographer this Guy Philpott met He was a great photographer. And he sort took me through Film Viagra fee school. While in that movie and I just got obsessed with it but again that was just something me trying I mean. I don't consider myself a photographer. I got really into taking pictures for ten years and we still do not really. Oh that was it. I mean I did. You know I don't know man like I said I'm trying to you know you're not bumming me out. I'm like I said I'm still trying to figure out what I can be when you're younger you do things kind of you. You WanNa get pat on the back a little bit. You know you want people go. I really liked that and as you get older. You're like I'm not so interested in that I want to do it. Yeah and then you go. I want to say something something. I want people to understand this and go all right. I dig this and I'm and I'm with you and thank you for that and then you go past that stage and you're like just want to do something that I like to do and I I feel like I'm being creative. Don't you find though like look man like I'm starting to feel that way about acting. It's something I always wanted to try like. I always had it in a good one. Thanks yeah but like there's there's there's a lot of sitting around yeah true and you know it's What's the saying they don't pay you to To Act if they don't pay you a a way to pay like it and I wanted to challenge myself and I'm doing a role where I gotta you know I'd be a little different than who I am coming up next week and I'm nervous about it but whatever but I I don't like I'm glad I'm getting these opportunities to try it but like I don't know if it's my life and stand up I've been doing my whole life but oddly what's happening to me now is like is there a time time where it's okay to be like nothing. I'm done doing things. Yeah man if you as long as you got like you said you're not living in a shack anymore with the thing is right. That's true but like I'm just I guess. My point is no matter what you do what you you think in your mind. I'm going to do something that's GonNa be the thing that I'm GonNa be proud to lead or whatever all that stuff drifts you know fades man Dan. What do you mean I mean it's like what is the relative importance of fucking anything that anyone's accomplished eventually? After five years three years it's gone. It's behind you doesn't matter but if you're a creative your I mean I hate to use the word artists artists. Yeah and you get to a point where you don't WanNa do it anymore. Then you're probably ready to die. I guess like my cat gonNA crawl under the bed yamen. I mean she's like I don't do the things I used to do anymore. I'm not you know my dog doesn't run up the steps and catch ball Paul Anymore. Jump up and catch a Frisbee jump up anymore. You think she's happy and no one hundred three hundred years ago. We were travelling and the dog couldn't make it across the river. We see a dog Komo dominated and head with a rock. It's a wrap on the dog. Names have good lives now. They did that with people even insurance grandma couldn't make it across the rid. Ira Yeah Grandma. It's been fun. Yeah gotta go. He moved yeah. We can't miss this winter. I think people still do that. They just put them at home so I don't want to a home. No Yeah I hear someone say change the diaper. I'm going to look for a shot of heroin or they wanna do it now. I give him. You're saying but again you know I say oh. I want to do something that I'm proud of and go okay. I did that. I hope that when I do do that thing I immediately want to move onto the next thing right or other was was. You know what's wife or it's you know you're old and you just want to hang out with your Gal and kids if you have kids or get a new cat. I'm just sitting read sitting read. Well no good no. How many plays have you written twenty? Yeah and how many have been published. Well I have Four plays full length plays published through dramatists. You know three yeah and then I have a collection of plays in that collection. There's about fifteen plays and those were all the plays that were like back published after I had gotten unpublished. And that's all the stuff that I did. At playhouse West that never had a bigger production than at playhouse. And these are things that get done. You get residuals from Kasur six dollars here. Yeah yeah have have you seen productions of your plays done that you've walked upon now never Know and the do you want to do your place. I I mean my I would love to do a play in New York but I go over. You know. It's like a gotomeeting and they all that's cute you write plays you know. They don't take it seriously why I don't know maybe because I'm on Hawaii five O or I don't know no I don't know I don't know maybe I haven't written anything good enough yet for for that. I mean it's a it's a tough world to get into. I've never acted in a play. I've been on stage acting acting in. La For twenty something years. I've never done anything in New York on Broadway off Broadway off off off tried. Yeah and I mean not vigorously vigorously. Yeah but that seems to be like if you've written like twenty so that seems to be one of the things that has lasted the longest in terms of what you like to do. Sure you're being prolific. Doesn't mean that you're good at it right. No Yeah I of course. Not but you like doing it. Yeah so what about fatherhood. How's that going? I dig it man I dig. Get my daughter's a a a an amazing smart Sharp beautiful human being old. She's five I mean. Everybody thinks about their kid right genius genius genius lifted. Yeah yeah she You know man. There's there's there's a few things in life that make all the bullshit go away and she's one of them. You know what I mean. It's great but that's real like and you're in you live with the mother I do. Yeah I can't Ah I don't have one but I know that it does something to you. Yeah man it's a lot of things to change you really do. What did you wear nervous going into it did you? Were you concerned. Yes concerned you know like I said everything's either heroes Taylor cautionary tale. So I don't everything I do with my daughter aside from just watching her and enjoying her is I hope. I don't fuck this up. I hope you know my my friend once told me I told those are always having a daughter. She has two kids and she had a rough childhood. Yeah I said I'm just worried I'm having a daughter and I. What do I know from raising girl I could raise? A guy is slapped him around and exactly or my dad did the opposite of the bad and she said you know all you have due for a girl that if you don't want her to be a stripper is just love. Her great perfect. I can do that now. Is this your how many make your kids is your father have to just my daughter and then my sister has a son if you like it. Yeah he does. Yeah Yeah they turned into into something else that old man sometimes when they have the grandkids. He's the same no really with their. Yeah well I think because sometimes they can in a good good way they can show up better because the kid leaves. That's the idea right right. You know my my girl. The other day was talking about you know talking about her grandparents. Were so good with her. Why are the key? Why can't their parents is good? Because when you're a parent US figuring the shit out by the time you're a grandparent you go. I know just what to do. And then when it gets a little goofy I can go home where they can send and the kid away right and that's back to death man that's like Same thing with death like you know. We're young we lose our great grandparents and then we lose our grandparents. It's and then you lose friends along the way and then by the time your parents go you should be prepared and able to deal with death and able to kind of understand that just you know what this cat. My parents are still around. Yeah grandparents are gone. But what's the bummer. Right the mid the missing. It knows no bummer. It's just like I it really. It's IT'S SORTA like breaking up with somebody in the same in the same. You don't WanNa do it. It's going to be paying funny. You say that because every girl that I couldn't break up with I kind of have this sick feeling like well. If they just die. I'd be okay right because you don't WanNa you don't WanNa do it. Well no I also break up. I just don't want them to if they're gonNA have to decide whether I could have worked acted out or been better. Yeah well I know but yeah I get all right. Yes but it's just like these things where like I broke up with somebody not too long ago. It's harrowing to to sort of come to the moment where like I'm doing right. And it's it's it's the worst thing ever it's heavy. Yeah not unlike you. I think you know putting a cactus. Just we've sold more final but approaching it and saying like all right. Let's do it right. You're you're you're not a religious guy you know not at all we brought up with any I mean now my dad was like a you know like just. They're tending to be religious Jew. My mother was a he probably was brought right up with it and then got away from it. Don't even know how much it was real for him. Yeah but And my mom was born Catholic and then was born again Christian will so she was deceased. Ah She was at when she threw the end. Yes very much so really here were you. And how would you in. That happened when she started that. Yeah fifteen in sixteen off. She saw it happen. Yeah strange strange. MUST have pains not pay man. Look whatever whatever whatever floats your biscuit yeah I get it but that's one of the transitions like what just happened. If you're happy if it makes you happy you know people that go after. Yeah did you have. Did you bring the church and stuff stuff. I mean she would say that we before my mom use interesting lady. I used to get into trouble when I was younger. You know arrested and Shit arrested fights. Yeah late nights. Whatever going to Cali would clubs and I'm fifteen sixteen years old? And you know she. She wasn't kind of mother that would say don't go. She would just say. Let me let me pray for are you put put hands on you and Jesus keep you safe but before that though you were fourteen. She wasn't doing that right. No no there. You mean praying. Yeah I mean like you know I mean it's a big shift from like you. Whatever she was before she was born again? And then you know how did it happen. I mean that's all I mean. There's there's a lot of you know different That's that's a long story. Oh Yeah Yeah I mean I mean you over here. I'll just make it simple ever know any born again Christians. That didn't do a bunch of crazy ship before they became sure. Yeah so they're all kind of going oof maybe let me try to fix the lost a little bit lost and if that fixes them and it does good for you I mean I guarantee you that when she passed. That's what made her okay with passing. Yeah you know when it was like hey you wanNA fight. And she was like no. I'm good I Jesus. Can we can judge judge but we could also so she pushed it. Yeah out there. And she got too far out there and then she need. She needs to get back that sure. Yeah yeah which is better than people. That didn't come back right. Yes do you. Do you talk about That kind of stuff on the. What do you on this show? Yeah sure religions. Well yeah recently. I've gotten a lot like I talked to Paul. Houser the guys in the No. Yeah I just see. I don't know he looks familiar face on US billboard everywhere. He's very good. Yeah Yeah I talked to him. We we got some got into some. Jesus he's so he's into Jesus. He grew up with Jesus. His father was a minister. Okay Lutheran Administer. Yeah but he kept the Jesus heated. Yeah but it's it's sort of has yet. Yeah I mean some people get away from it again. Whatever whatever you know I give it but like there's something kind of fascinating when somebody snaps into it? He has dramatic saved as a dramatic right like I talked about that onstage. Say for me to find God at this point in my life the real the wheels would really have to come to me too man. I don't know it's weird. That's that's what does that tell tell you I mean why. I'm just curious about when when your mother changes into the born again. I mean AH fifteen and you're out of control yeah. It was good for me because she was like. I'm I'm I have no worries. I'm not worried about you going out. And I'm I'm not worried about that are coming by here doing hoodlum stuff because we're all taken care of so for me as a kid. I all right great. Yeah nothing can hurt you. But there's no disciplined after that I and I haven't had discipline since I was twelve so but so it was just sort of like well. Jesus forgive forgive you and did you. Did you not even about forgive you. You're safe you're protected but you didn't try me. I was hanging out with animals. You know who's just gotten out of prison isn't that escaped life sentences because they were underage. She's like you're fine. Where'd you meet those guys? Don't know man you know I don't know it's like an exciting reading time I mean yeah but I mean I always you know my dad was again like he was tough. Dude from Queens. Yeah so for me I was constantly trying to to be as tough as you know. That's what I had to live up to right like the worst humans. I could surround myself with the more legitimate. I was as a a person when I was young. And getting validation from him. I don't even use paying attention to that part of it but I definitely was. You know you're trying to just. Ah Yeah. He hung out. Here's his friends. Were like Israeli drug dealers and mobsters and shit. I'm like I know a guy who stabbed someone I'm GonNa hang out with him. That was it. Yeah and and so what did it take for you to get out from under that. I guess No I mean look going on this thing. The first thing we talk about that you know no no no I I know going into talking. ANYBODY WANNA go. What's it like having Dudas dudas props I'll be under it forever right? No no no I mean just wha what did you take for you to realize that you were going to be defined by different things things. Oh that's that has nothing. That's that's you talk about. Did what have you fixed over the years. Here's what was your moment where you I gotta get this murderer out of my sure. Sure listen I still talk to the murder I mean I I have boundaries and you have to prove older I get. I'm trying to impress less and less. You know what I mean right right you you got some self acceptance. Yeah and I I know what I want. I don't want any trouble man I want to hang out with my my my wife and I want to exercise and you know hang out with my kid and and do some good creative because like whether like see I like I only know your father for movies and for my whatever. I'm projecting onto the guy you know like I was in but but like you know I i. I knew that he was relatively tough to you. I don't know all those things and it's no different than any other fucking crazy. Father that a male child is trying to get it. Just sort of live up to you know what I mean sure. It's just a little more E. I k.. When you tell me I victor James Gone right right right different? You can picture me trying to live up to my crazy mother and father. 'cause I don't know right you know I mean I was. I was going to try to be a doctor. Ah Good thing happened. No He's out of his mind and other ways but he never hung out with Jewish mobsters and they weren't Jewish mobsters yoga got the two Jewish drug dealer army. Whatever yeah we I met you remember? I met you. Yeah logo and they have. Have I go there because they have A. They have a lower here allow which is a Yemenite dish that they only make on the weekends. Only reason I know that is because drug dealer friend to his his wife would make it every Saturday and Sunday and we'd go over there and have a lower. I Like I love that place. I go there on Youtube. It's my favorite restaurant. I remember I recognize you and we chat and we were going to do this. Jason Kao Yeah You said Let me get you and your dad on all right right like an ass fuck it. My wife was like I love him. I was like he's a jerk and I'm kidding. She listens to show she does. She's a fan. Yeah I mean like what what that would have been great. Great Have you and your dad on like beats you down I just sit there and listen yes sir. What do you want me to start? And that he just had back surgery he can't even get out of bed right now. And if he gave me a dirty look I'd I'd crumble off. You know what I mean. Yeah intense man do all the other younger. The younger brothers have that same thing with him. I don't know I didn't really grow up with them. Talk to him down you a little bit now. Say like terrified no I I mean I I respect the a lot of respect I get a I couldn't I couldn't I couldn't tell you the half of reality because of of what the respect no I mean I just have. I can't. There's nothing I couldn't say. A bad word about the Guy Gordon. Listen like any father. Of course there's bad shit to be said but yeah I don't have the balls nor would I ever say anything all right disrespectful. Well I'm just glad you got closure closure wait a minute still woven ended you know. Yeah yeah no no. No you're right I got close. You're okay you're comfortable. Acceptance one hundred percent. Good talk in Yemen. That was Scott Caan. I thought I thought that was a nice finish Hawaii five OS curly early in its fence season. 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Episode 1082 - Jimmy Tingle

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Episode 1082 - Jimmy Tingle

"Hey folks tickets are now on sale at all venues for the twenty twenty leg of my. Hey there's more tour. The freezing period Thursday January thirtieth Cleveland Window Ohio at the Agora Theater Friday January thirty first Grand Rapids Michigan at the Fountain Street Church Saturday February. First Milwaukee Wisconsin at the Turner Turner Hall Ballroom. Friday February Fourteenth Orlando Florida at hard rock. Live Saturday February Fifteenth Tampa Florida at the Strasbourg Center. Tara Thursday February Twentieth Portland Maine State Theater. Friday February Twenty First Providence Rhode Island Columbus Theatre Saturday February twenty twenty second new Haven Connecticut at College Street. Musical and Sunday February Twenty Third Huntington New York at the paramount. We will all all the cold together. Go to W. T. F. pod dot com slash tour links to all the venues dean. Del Ray will be doing all of these dates. It's with me because we have fun when we travel together yes. Let's do the show all right. Let's do this. How are you what the fucker? What the fuck buddies what the fucks tres? What's happening I'm Marc Maron? This is my podcast. WTN This is it. This is it this holiday week. Jimmy tingle is on the show today. Jimmy tingle is a comedian. Who I've known forever from Boston? He's got a thing incoming up. It's got a big show coming up at the Wilbur Theatre in Boston. This Saturday December twenty eighth. He came out to talk to me into a couple of other things. But it's always nice to get get into groove with a Boston guy to get into that that rhythm mack how I see a Mac a Mac. What's that MAC MAC? Everything I write mark but Jimmy's here so that'll be happening shortly. Today is the second day of Hanukkah I believe and I don't know I for those of you don't I don't get caught up in the. Oh happy holidays. Merry Christmas happy Hanukkah happy kwanzaa happy I. I don't I may I may be. I'm just not as sensitive because generally I mean the appropriate thing to do. It's just a it's a matter of habit. I guess you know when you know when somebody says Merry Christmas. I Say I'm a Jew I'm a Jew and that's awkward for them but you know I mean I think that's the proper response. Merry Christmas do I am a Jew. Why why do you say that to me? I think it's fine to react that way. You Know Happy Holidays Mike I yeah but can you be more specific. WHOA Merry Christmas? I'm Joe God damn it so that. I think that's the proper response to Merry Christmas. Even if you're not a Jew it's fun to it's fun to get that angry with China be nice look it is the second day of Hanukkah and for those of you who don't know at Hanukkah is. I'm I'm not sure I'm clear either but I'm pretty sure it's it's when the Jews killed Jesus and burned him over eight different nights piece-by-piece he's pipe piece. I believe that's it. And there's there's nine candles I I think and the ninth candle is is represents Jesus his arm which we cut off. I jus two did it and somehow managed to miracle of it is that they were able to light the finger of that arm and And it it burned for eight days they were able to light the other pieces of Jesus. And it's they lined all these pieces up Wykeham Minora minora shape comes from when they they cut up. Jesus they they. They stuck him in the in eight different places and they swallow. We set fire fire of of him over over the eight days of Hanukkah. I'm pretty sure that's the story. I might be conflicting that with a antisemitic conspiracy interesting theory. I'm not positive but maybe I should google that. Maybe I maybe I'm way off. I'm way off because maybe confusing with Christmas isn't it. Isn't Christmas when Santa. The original Christmas is when Santa Kill Jesus and then gave his parts away over Nano Man Oh it's a birthday. I'm sorry said Jesus Birthday. Wow Merry Christmas this was show God dammit. I hope you are having a happy Hannukah and I hope your Christmas is pleasant as well now because I will not talk the heavy way to start. I'll agree with that. The dark satire. Maybe just crass morbid religious jokes not for everybody perhaps not funny I I do want you to have a safe and happy. Holiday Season The holiday shopping season. He's no is here and this year. Your gift can inspire. Next year's good habit with quip quip is something. That's sure to put a smile on everyone's face because it's dental care. People actually want to use every day quips electric toothbrush. refillable loss in toothpaste are all intentionally designed designed to make good habits simple. The electronic toothbrush has sensitive sonic vibrations and a timer with thirty second pulses to guide your routine and the Quip Whip floss dispenser has pre marked strings. So you always use the right amount of floss. 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I hope he gets good presence opium by the wrong present. That's the worst first thing buying the wrong present for the people in your life. The people who have. Here's a president. Why that face? Oh my God is it over. Am I an asshole. Should go hang myself in the bathroom with the President I bought you. Well that's wetter work. Its way into a new so I I got back from Atlanta the other day down there a week and I think I think some of the scenes a lot of times. I don't know if I'm doing a good job. And I don't know if acting is fund or it's a job or I don't know what I'm doing sometimes but by the third day when I was doing scenes Jennifer Hudson and Marlon Wayans. It was it was pretty good. We had some. I had some good times had some good laughs and Jennifer very pleasant. It was good to hang out with Marlin WHO's a comedian. As wow and have some laughs but I'll tell you the the last night of the shoot their long days or at least twelve hour days and and the final dinner was sort of a Christmas party roll out of the people. That aren't even shooting. Some of the kids came and who who were in the movie and the the the the caterers did you know. Kind of there's lobster tails in filet Mignon and stuff but it was you know catering and and being on a film you said the full diversity of people with different jobs All different levels of jobs offer different types of people and it was just sort of a communal kind of event. It's not yeah there was no. It wasn't orchestrated in any way. There's a food line buffet but they they brought in some local. I believe local people to sing Christmas carols. There's someone playing piano and a few people Singing that they brought in in this kind of like it was. It was sort of a mess hall vibe and then Jennifer Hudson in came in and they don't you know the big stars they don't always eat with a little or stars in the gaffer's and the sound people in the makeup people they they sometimes. They just eating their trailer. They have their special food but it was sort of Christmas thing she came now when you Jennifer Hudson and there's people at microphone singing songs. You're GONNA be pressured. demet be sing a song and she didn't seem to want to do it. I I was kind of watching it. And she didn't. It was kind of interesting because they were singing I don't know one of the Jesus songs and and I felt I saw her just sort of kind of moving in but being pulled in by the music not by the need to entertain or by the need to perform but by ya she just you know when you when singing is what you do and there's the possibility ability to do some singing you you get pulled to do it. And I started gradually move up there and I. I've not seen her perform form. I don't know her work really. I know she's got a great voice. But I'll tell you man I mean when she got on the MIC and started singing sort of with this this other woman in harmony like there's just brings fucking tears to your eyes singing for me sometimes especially a spiritual or standard standard or whatever but to hear her effortless. We do what she does. Right there and just too disorganized little room where people are eating dinner at a buffet. Fe just ate was It was very moving. I got choked up because I don't even know where it came from but it was pretty fucking awesome and I'll tell you this sets with great everything. The period looks great. It turned out to be pretty pretty great Experienced down there and I'm going back after new years so I just wanted to give you a Update on that situation. The respect movie again you never know how much of US going to ended up in the movie but it started to get comfortable towards the end there and I got home here and monkey and buster okay. Hey I've been gone a week but there was people here at the House the whole time. I was gone so they had people. And I'm trying not to project sadness onto my cats now that Fonda is gone but but it's hard you know. Monkeys old is well. He's fifteen plus years and he's like you know the medicines working for the hypothyroid thyroid and he's he seems good. He waits good energies. Good busters fat. Can't get him the wet food but he eats dry kidney food but they both seem a lot. More sociable will monkey very warm but busters. Maybe it's just now. Buster can get equal attention. I really paid a lot of attention to To my older cats to the original crew than I did him and I don't know they seem. Okay I'm just trying not to look at monkey and think he sad okay. So Merry Christmas I might chew. 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Comedy venues in. But he's just always been there. Jimmy Kimmel Jimmy Tango fucking Jimmy Tingle. And he's here today he's He's got a big gig at the Wilbur Theatre in Boston this Saturday. December Twenty Eighth Jimmy tingles twenty twenty vision and you can go to Jimmy. TINGLE DOT COM for tickets and all things Jimmy and this is me. He flew out to do a couple couple things out here. This being one of them was a real pleasure to catch up with Jimmy. Tingle Sir you flew in from from Logan yes logan airports so yeah. I know I flew into Boston not too long ago to do the show. And it's I don't go there often right. I spent a lot of time there for my wife and I don't recognize this new tunnel. There's a new bridge yeah. It doesn't seem like the same airport. It's better yeah right. Oh yeah they changed everything everything. Yeah it's built up a lot over the last twenty years it really has. But what part did you grow up. In because Ambridge you grew up in came yes in project. It's No hard-luck Irish Tales. No no no. We're right in the middle. Yeah in between well. Well if you know the city central square inman square with the Ding. Ho was right. I grew right up in Grew up in the middle right in between those two squares and then between Harvard and Kendall. Wow so yeah so. We had like a mile to one side. Harvard Mile to the other side Image Square two blocks away central square two blocks the other way so I was right in the middle title and you come from a big family. I'm the oldest of four. Yeah Big Italian family. I'm half Italian. You are yeah so my mother is from the city I have. I have no idea I did. Yeah and she's got a big family. She was the youngest of ten well. It's her maiden name. Daego Guilermo Diego Yell Mo Di Guglielmo E. Capital G. U. G. L. The Alamo. Wow I had no idea. Yeah I thought you were just one of the one of the Irish Boston guys. NOPE Half Italian my father was from the south actually from North Carolina so he's English Irish Scottish Swedish and And so he's Protestant yeah and so they met you know via their there are actual siblings. My mother's brother married my father's sister during the war. It's a long story. But they've done in North Carolina. She was a waitress and he was stationed there who stationed there is in the marines. Yeah it's so funny because I don't know why made the assumption just because of the McDonald's and the sweeneys door and both people people make that assumption you must be from the Irish immigrants right. You must live from the Italian immigrants from everybody. Oh Yeah your mother came over. Oh Yeah not her parents. Her Mother did when she was like and they ended up in Cambridge. Yeah they settled there. It was not far from the North End. Actually when they with growing up they went to the North End to church. Yes there was no Italian church in east. Cambridge was like a mile walk not too far that whole area. Well it's like it's interesting because So you're the oldest of four. Yeah and they with anyone else in show business anyone else make that mistake. No I cited the open mics mark with view. You know I remember eighty one right. Well I mean it would be. You would be you know this was earlier like because I remember. I vaguely remember the first time. Maybe I went to the Ding Ho. Because I didn't really start performing stand up until like the summer of eighty four. Okay like You know when I was at. Bu Okay really But in eighty one like I remember going to the Dinho. Maybe and you're I like a bartender. There still is that possible. Yeah Yeah I was a bartender. Daytime bartender an open mic performer. And I was doing open mics. And did one open MIC. Like fell in love with the place told Lenny I knew from high slamming Clark an from high school him from High School I did. Yeah he was. We went to the same high school in Cambridge Shia Cambridge Latin. Did they grow up there. Yeah I didn't realize it when he clack Mike and he was yeah. He was hosting the Wednesday night open mic night. I did it had a blast. Doing a job there okay. So that's how that happened before that where you just just What what were you doing your troublemaker know in highschool seems like it would have been troublemaker? Lenny was the class president. No kidding yes yes no I'm Eleni we played sports together on was the class president. Yeah Ya is. He started in politics. You ended in it. Yeah how that happened happen. I don't know he was a popular kid No he was just a you know he was class president and he was always a You know sort of a leader. No and he was he was into politics. Yeah and so so I knew him so when he was hosting the open. Mindedness I the. Where were you in college? Did you go to college for you. Enter yeah yeah but he was. When I got out of school I which the neighborhood and under Christie and occasion? Yeah really. Yeah you know what. Got Me into the movie lenny. The movie when the movie him on. Dustin Hoffman Bruce. Yeah Yeah that was an awesome movie it it just and then of course Saturday night live. Yeah was on or your favorite comic show at that time. Probably well before I started. Excuse accuse me Lenny Bruce. Yeah but as a kid. Jackie gleason the honeymooners right. You know. That's what Great Connie. Yeah watching those. Those guys didn't stand up when you're a kid not a lot. No yeah not Let me think not really but as we got older you know we'll send that live on the air and then the movie lenny and then it just started. The whole scene started in Boston. Major influences were not with the local guys. The the local guys you know in you know theoretically the Lenny Bruce type trying to say something and make people laugh at the same time. I was always into that. I thought it was a great. A great format yeah. I remember like Like I remember going there like I don't know if I can't remember the year but I remember Lenny would would. I must have been on a Lenny Clarke. I don't think I perform but I remember you. Were probably still drinking your sweaty and he had a harmonica harmonica. Yeah yeah who most of it. Oh Yeah you did. I did songs when I first started. I didn't really know what I was doing. I had you know had a trench coat. I was trying to do like a blues. Brother's thing had shades shades. Beard natural long hair transplant really. Yeah Yeah trenchcoat hat sunglasses do do these songs on my test tube baby. I'm attest to baby. That's why I got the blues while I was like the test Tube Baby Song Test Tube Baby Blue and just this song parodies here When I first started doing the open mic night like who is like what year are we talking? Eighty one eighty eighty as like anyone. That was really the beginning of the Ding hosts seventy nine so it was very criminal. Barry Crimmins Lenny Clarke. Barry was the yeah. Barry was the sort of the founder and he was doing the open mic on Wednesday okay so it was really berries brainchild berry at that. Time was also sweaty. Eddie angry politically driven smoking cigarettes madman but always political correct pretty much. Yeah we we all kind of evolved loved right. You find out what you're good at what you like. Who is your passion? Fear who is around. I Know Paula poundstone yet. Even Right Jack Gallagher Jackie sweeny Mike McDonald Mike Donovan. They were all coming in. They were down. Oh yeah that was the original crew. That was the original crew Lauren impulsively. Oh Yeah Dennis leary. Yeah Really Bobby Goldthwait You were there earlier. They just moved to town but they were at the Ding. No kidding yeah. Yeah I remember Kenny. I remember by one thousand nine hundred eighty. Why anyone they probably got the Goethe way probably got their you know? Eighty two yeah Ari. Maybe Yeah Paula was there and she went to San Francisco for on. Who Went Kevin Meaney? Yeah he came from San Fran. I think he came from San Francisco and they went back no he stayed in Boston. Longtime made a big big Big Mark I think. There's a lot of people. Yeah you sort of persistence of him. You know what he did he sweeney great things Sweeney meaning night the I remember stitches. Yes and they really brought us form of Improv. To stand stand up there really wasn't it was always like the Improv or you did stand up but those guys would go on together and they just had a blast and it was all it was all off the top and yeah I remember the coughing. He'd go out on the street with the camera to throw it on the remember that and it was. It was hilarious. It was funny. He any like like he had this cadence in this pace. Yeah he was not going to not let you laugh. You're going to keep pushing and Kenny to always dressed up to yeah. He was always dressed up code. I think supervisor you always had the blaze. He often had a tie a bow tie. He looks so different than the audience for the most part and those at that time it was crazy. Times and Donovan was so funny. Yeah like I become but I say like I started. I used to go go to play against Sam's to watch people Chris Collins. Yeah man he carried chance chance Langton was down play against Barry Katz I booker. Why do people suck why people suck? Dj Lazarus Rich Rich Sicer Kylie highly. Quietly Yeah Brian Kelly right. He started there There were other guys that were just just a lot of them. Yeah yeah there was some crazy shit so all right so it wasn't an industry town. Mock you know I know but it was a regional. Yeah came a regional powerhouse. Yes because it was one of the few places where you could actually make GEICO living. Yep because of the one nighters that Mike Clock Berry Caveat Roger Paul there were all these gigs all over the place that you could make a couple of hundred bucks on a Wednesday night but I remember like okay. So let's go through the arc of it. So do you remember when Stephen Right I showed up at go. He was here before me. Oh he was yeah I remember the night though he got he got booked for the tonight. Show as a big deal. It was a big deal. Sally was coming into town. Datta was working here going to Emerson. Yeah any call the DINGO daytime bartender so we call the Dinho and he wants directions. He says I'm coming in. I WANNA put up to. He had arranged his previously with Berry Right. But I'm coming from MSN. How do I get to the Ding Ho in square and won't go down Cambridge Street? You take a right square springfield streak going to the to the the parking lot anyway but what happened. They set up an audition that night here and And I remember I got a Gig out of it because I wasn't I didn't make the cut to be on that level. No I wasn't on that level. But they had they had to cancel a Gig in you know they had a couple of comets booked gig in new haven so that was two hundred dollars. Yeah Yeah Yeah I took a ride. And more Tommy Gilmour saying he might have been. It's Tom Gilmore. Yeah Wow so anyway we. I went to new haven and but Peter Lasalle came in saw. You know fifteen comics top people and you know loved right and that was that any the next night the next night the people on the tonight show the next night or the night after that. Tell you exactly yeah. It was like within two three days and then Johnny wanted them back. The next night is crazy so it was fun watching it. We all watched it. Gives you an inspirational. Oh yeah now. Where does booze play into? Ah like everybody was drinking. Everybody was drinking. That was out of the deal. Barry ran the place. Barry crimmins idea what the Chinese restaurant was the the comics drink for free right so you all of us hard drinking more of any. Yeah you know and it was free. The era some guys who didn't drink as much as others but there was some the drank a lot. Yeah Kenny sober now. Y- Kennedy Sober. Yeah and quitting drinking was a huge thing. Quitting I'm doing well let's get through it so so are you just walk. You're working regionally. You're doing your closing with their harmonica. Well you know I eventually dropped it. I didn't it's like six months. Yeah didn't do very long. Yeah maybe a year. Yes but you do in the regional gigs. Yeah regional gays coming down in New York. Remember comedy tonight. Yeah that was cool Boggs. Yeah I'd only eighties early eighties. We it was a real TV show. Yeah and it was the first one one was New York comedy tonight right and he had this big head I remember you know you sit there with them. I remember. It was one of the first experiences of seeing someone who was was on television up close for me to be on TV and realize like wow makeup really hides out of this shit. That's what I remember about. Bill body was like an interview show right and when I did it it was basically standup. You did like five minutes but since you talk to. I can't remember if I yeah I think so I think so but anyway that was like I like TV. That was your first TV. Yeah the comedy tent and a lot of comics comics New York and the mid eighties. Yeah Yeah but even earlier eighty three eighty four and then did you end up doing like Caroline's and yeah carolines evening at the Improv. I did I think I did. One of those I'm not sure if I did even the Improv. But Carolina Star Search. Yeah remember when you did it. Oh Yeah I did it with meany meany did it. But the how I lost to Evan Davis and yes but ed McMahon's daughter would make up. She came up and where really to Cambridge Boston sorrow. Everybody had stitches and of course they're looking for a TV act can work clean for a minute you minutes or whatever it was there so I got it meany. God I think I think maybe Jack Gallagher Gallagher. I'm not sure that makes sense. It's so funny those guys do. I can't do three minutes. I know that's what I mean about. Not Being an industry town. It was just free freelance talk. Nobody was trying to get on television because there wasn't television into three minutes. That's why when right got on it was such a momentous thing because all of a sudden holy Holik people can actually go to another level you can actually be a prayer. Tom Gilmore. MDC placed him. Because I knew the name and I had it took me a while to get a face. Yeah Yeah did that guy is still still around. Yeah Great Joke Writer. People like Brian Kylie unbelievable. Sure so when just talking about about politics so I you know when I honestly it's a big shift from song parody to politics pants had to them right. We're just you know it was so it was a very low level. Attempted Chris Social Commentary. But I I just you know what happens. Is You know you gravitate. We'll what you're interested. Sit in right. You know you just kind of go like in college. I studied sociology and history. Yeah I was into minded education so I was interested in politics and current events. No but I was certified and technically a certified teacher. No kidding when I got WANNA graduated. Yeah certified message. I never did Actually teach because I remember there was a period there. I guess in the Eighties where you you know where there was sort of a for that time. A small heyday for political comics and there was only a few of them. Yeah because there was like that record were you on that record bedfellow. Yes it was you and criminals and Durst me cremins Mr Stern Randy critical Randy Krecko. That was like a big deal. That CD eighty eight eighty eight. That was that later. I think yeah so by that time you would sort of like established established yourself blazer you know and you were you know kind of a straight up kind of populist politics guy yeah well it started probably not as popular proletariat working class potatoes come on people what the fuck is going on here. Yeah so I think so so. When does that when do you start really kind of commonsense? You know is another way of just common sense but it was probably eighty in. Oh I quit drinking. Eighty the seven eight. How happen? Yeah how did it happen. How did it happen? People people started going downhill men. Dan People started going downhill. And that's what really what happened last year. The drinking you know three friends died three funerals really that I was using with Yeah and it just you know it's like Holy Shit you know pods over. How are you doing blow and just you know yeah yeah yeah and It feeling like you're dying yourself. You know I just wanted to. I started calling places and this is actually one of the reasons. I eventually ran for office because of the need. Read who we have right now for people to get into treatment. Oh No it's like anyway so I'm calm places. Christmas eighty seven December eighty seven. And I'm getting the runaround. Autobahn autobody hit Christmas. December December. Going out Christmas shopping can't get past noon. Can't get to the stores you got a big can't all this cash. I wanted to do this Christmas shop and I need a drink. You know you can't you can't drinking. You can't not drink voice so were you like Like you're kind of really dug Duggan with addiction like you know you woke up your drink kind of shit at the end. Yeah Oh yeah to just real normal right right you know. Take the edge off. How old were you? I was early thirties. Yeah he had had a pretty good go of it. Yeah well you know the drinking age eighteen where I turned eighteen the same month here man and it was like a new sport. It was a new sport. Everybody was you know it was just a new sport and everybody. It started off so so much fun as you know so much fun and then bad shit happens in also when you live the life you know like it's one thing when you're in high school or college but when you're doing like comedy comedy you're living the life. Oh man where you fucking going you drink and before you go on then after you go on you get the free drinks and there's no reason to get up during the day you're just fucked and they're giving in your money and you're making money and you like you're going it's you like in your own little world your own little rock star and their own little rice in Boston. It was sort of easy especially for you guys who come out of there to be rockstars. I mean you've got work. I mean I remember working there when I had opened for dudes I remember driving you anywhere aware but but yeah I drove around. I owe them doing that. And the mid eighties late eighty one came in second in the riot in eighty eight. So that's that's one really when I started work. Okay so then I had my twenty five thirty minutes right. Barry was giving me work opening for the two men shows. You know I'd drive a headliner and go do a half our cats for Boston. Comedy Company Right. But that's really how I I started paying. My dues was doing the half hour slot in front of the forty five minute. Closer right on those road gigs. And I drove. I drove the best of them. Yeah I was there for Giannis I did them all on show visas and Leominster. Why did the Taunton regency I was there? Yeah how about the. What's the one in Plymouth? The Knotty Pine Sure No. Aw Plymouth Quincy that was a connection room right and there was another one Chali. Something's where the Bruins on behind you and you're in the middle of the act. The someone scores a goal and everybody cheese fucking within ninety pie. That was a long running one. Yeah that ran from tipperary their tipperary tipperary won. I remember I did the tipperary pub where I don't remember what part of Boston that was in by. Did it with Bob Cybele. The Madman rest in peace restaurant out of. Yeah Ah Yeah so so. Anyway I was. I was in New York by the time you started doing that. I was already in New York right. I remember but you start calling people on to to get sober coburn. You couldn't get hold of. Don't knows calling detox rehabs treatments eventually but city hospital Cambridge City hospital. The guy the men said in the how unusual I said listen I I really need help. And he said you called the right place. I went in St seven days to Christmas. Nineteen ninety seven. I got old and moved to New York. I focus stand up comedy in recovery. And that's all I did for a year a year later to the week on the tonight show with Johnny. No kidding yeah and and it was like and and my friend Colin Quinn Jimmy. If you stopped drinking man you can really be a good comic. So he was there for you. Yeah so recovery guy. Yeah yeah it was really helpful so so. That's an amazing 'cause I I know where you lived because this weird thing I think we talked about it off the Mike's once before I remember when Frankie Bass deal the Boston Yep I kind of you know he kind of grabbed on to me. I was a lackey. I'm driving having him around and I didn't know he was strung out. I didn't know about dope and heroin and shit and I remember one time. We did a Gig in Mystic Connecticut or somewhere. And he's like let's stop it tingles angles down because you live on the lower east side right. Oh New York. Yeah Yeah so I. I don't know if you remember this but it was sort of weird. We embarrassing 'cause because I didn't realize what was happening he went score dope. Yeah and then he did some yeah and then psyches pouring sweat as fucking mind his girlfriend Karen. She's not now how he's like. Let's go visit tingle and when we go knock on your door and you're on your way out to do a Gig of restaurant or something. You're all dressed up in Frankie's I gotta take a shower our and you let them we and then we left and we left. It was the weirdest helping you not trust frankie best deal when he wants to take a shower. Hey it's a never stole from me. He was a hustler. Yeah but but I didn't realize how like it was a road warrior for sure but I didn't realize that that's what we were there. For arriving him Hiccup Dope and he you know he needed to take a shower because yeah all sweaty and burn it up but you were very kind the lowest side. Yeah I was down. Donovan was on Clinton Street. This is like eighty eight eighty nine. Now Yeah Yeah. Yeah that's when I was driving around. This is my first couple years. Stand up when I was driving. Headliners two gigs. Right right and I knew I didn't know anything about the world reciting. It was chaos then eventually with their eighty nine. I ended up on second between A and B right so when you got to close down there at that time he was in the lower east side though yeah he. He didn't last long there. Because I remember hanging out with him a couple of times he didn't love New York. Yeah was it like it was so it was hard to watch him in New York. Because New Yorkers like they don't give a fuck how if you're going to be all angry better have a pretty good reason. Uh so they'd watch Hicks and be like why is he yellen like you know even if he if you're with bill you can't it's got to be longer than fifteen minutes. Yeah and you're not gonNA get the gist of it. Yeah but I remember when he was here. We spent New Year's Eve it was New Year's Eve ninety nine. Maybe it was about all right eight. Yeah about ninety ninety right. Everybody worked at catch right a mostly. I couldn't get on a cash and I refused to kiss Lewis's ass I couldn't stand handed. So I was at the Improv. The original Improv. Okay like I'm forty four. Th Street in it's slow decay and that's always. I remember Hicks walked in. It was new year's I just didn't know what we're GonNa do and let's come on. Let's go look at the ball all right. And it was me and vitality Hicks and we got about a mile away from the fucking thing. Hit a wall of people. And he's like fuck this. Let's go back to the IMPROV. That was that was New Year's eve of Bill Hicks. Yeah Yeah but he was there but it was. Yeah it was it was. It's pretty wild you went down there and eighty-eight moved down in eighty Moved down the navy. So you did that album with Barry and Randy and juice. Yeah a little a little traction with that yeah. It was good to do absolutely so when you got down to New York where you got your already working catcher yet away royal. No I was working. It's an industry town here know and you you can things can happen you know. Hbo Special Half Hour Specials. When they were doing those I did? Hbo Half Hour. Do we do in the saying. I don't think we did the same run. I did my ninety five. Yeah I I did it. I think it was ninety one there though I tell you there. Eighty eight and like you know I got there in eighty nine. And that's when they're shooting do. The Caroline's comedy hour shooting did did that right and then the seaport was the first one then. She shot him at the other place when she moved. Yeah but the first one I did with at the seaport right right and that weird little kind kind of like a nursery school set. The whole place was kind of odd but But yeah so then. Are you headline on the road. Starting in the late eighties ladies. Is that the deal. You know what I'm doing them headlining on the road. Yeah headlining on the road. And then the one man shows started. Jackie Mason right so Jackie Accu Mason in eighty nine in New York so a guy in his element onstage in a theater New York ninety five hundred people. Yeah do you know. It's like to be in a theater on twenty five hundred people laughing hysterically. Yeah I don't either but anyway Jaggi basins there and he's just this killing it and he's doing what he loves to be himself right and I said that's what I WANNA do going. Do I just started working on that format. I just liked it. I left the the the theater that night just really inspired and they just said that. That's what I wanna do work alone because the more political you're getting like you're saying about the crowds in New York right right. You know you're doing doing fifteen minutes and they're kind of getting trying to get away from the news and also waking in order to do political comedy effectively you know you have to. Ah They have to understand your point of view outside of just political jokes takes a minute to dig in. Yeah so okay so you right away that the long form one man it. Yeah so when did you do your first one. I'm trying. I just started working out in the village. Barry's place during the Boston Comedy Club. You know three people sure. When Ervin came he was so kind urban with my agent at the time he bought Michael Green Michael Green system and Henny youngman by doing remember that this is like eighty nine ninety something something? I'm just I'm working and I'm saying Irvine Irv I want to do. The one man show. You GotTa help me go down and watch it so there's no one in there except those four people. I'm doing when like ninety minutes. At one point I turn around and Henny is out. He's sleeping well. He was like a hundred. Yeah but yeah he was out without but so you were doing you. were running like before like at six or seven o'clock before they do the yeah shows. That was probably always may be an Monday night or Sunday night. There was an off night workshop. Yeah go there and just just into it and the worst. Isn't it hard to do for nobody. Though it is to help you to do it for did it did it. Helped me and it. It helped me just to do it just to mind was basically a long set right. It was a long set of stand up and it was. You know but that's what I was doing. The other thing is if you're doing something that's social and political yeah trying to relevant you know you you just need to like you said now you need to stretch out you need. I need to just get it out and it was all motivated and the other thing is newly sober. You're trying to work clean. How was it was hot? What about it? It was hard nerves. Yeah just uncomfortable on stay. Oh you know when you first start. You're like Oh man. Look at all these people I know looking at me no buffer buffer no buffer. Yeah Yeah but but then you just you know just do it in the clubs Wahad. I found the clubs difficult. Fill newly sober. Be Up there. And everybody's drinking everybody's and you're on a kind of a different thing and so anyway. That's one of the reasons. I just gravitated -tated towards standard more and more social political eighty nine was an amazing year. Historically the walls coming down all the stuff is happening end of the Cold War and and people are just those this inspirational feel and there was in the air. You know that I felt and I just was into it. Yeah now Wendy Carson can happen eighty eight and after that I just wanted to just. That's all I wanted to do. Did it help you carson at that time. Did Yeah Yeah. It helped a lot got an agent from the got got to work on the road. You know of it led to hbo the Half Hour Special Things like that out there and it was only show. I mean I think think letterman was just on when was limited. been on a couple of years. Yeah Yeah he came. I think. Eighty four or something. Yeah but anyway it was It was good but it but it was just very passionate towards the one man show. Yeah so an eighty nine. That was sort of what you did. The building one man just kept doing it. Damage Down in New York. Did you do run somewhere around the American Place Theatre Jack Rollins actually Helped me out. Yeah he he Jen rollins in his eyebrows. Yeah remember I've met him before he also eyebrows. What a manage the I.? Met Jack Rollins. It didn't go well But he's older ready but he was definitely a powerful guy. He came and saw it all he came in and wanted to help in. Yeah help may invested in it. He did yeah he did he he liked it he liked the point of view liked what are trying to do right and he was just you know he. He loved He loved the comic. That's how he managed just in their corner one hundred percent he would come to with me to radio shows and he was he was in his late Seventies. You know at Managing uh-huh yeah for a little while yeah but a year so and but just was completely invested in the show and we did it off all the way at the American Place Theatre and you do it for a couple of months and if it doesn't really take on we got great reviews the New York Times but it didn't never went to the next level right along Broadway. Ron Gripe that but it was great to come back up to Boston and work there and Santa producing myself. I mean just doing your own thing like you've done podcast. Sure you make your own breaks. Take the initiative. I started renting out theaters. Well when did you do the I remember there was a big deal. I guess that was much later. Yeah so yeah okay so commemorate yeah I mean you think you got sixty minutes later. Yeah but you start doing the theater. Was that a Boston bactheatre When did you have that residency there? You you know what I did in only did. I went up to Boston after I got out of New York invented. Yeah Yeah I moved back after the run. American play yeah after the American Place Theatre. We've been or no no no no. I just felt like well. My father passed away. My mother was in disarray. Those family reasons to back my girlfriend lived there at the time was now my wife. There was a lot of reasons but the other thing is I didn't want to go back into the clubs and I wanted to get on stage and I felt I can go. I could do. Yeah well up in Boston. If I could get a theater and I rented the hasty Pudding Theater Yeah and I rented it into produced myself. I learned how to produce that go. It went great. I made more money money and had more. You know it was more people more money. You're on a different level. This these theater people coming in to see the show and And it was great and learn how to produce so then you don't you're not subject to waiting for the phone to ring now. It's funny the the kind of like I. I guess that's why I never ever really I found myself in situation. I was driving to a road gig or anything because you did. You knew enough about yourself once you got sober to know that you you just didn't want to deal with the club. It just wasn't my thing anymore. You know it was great and I love doing it and I still go in. I work out all the time when do ten minutes fifteen minutes trying to all all stuff new stuff and I love it right because that's where you can get your pacing down jokes for TV soon. So I I'm all I'm big supporter of the clubs. But just for me to I was is going. Yeah I was doing the hasty pudding theater and you can be. You don't have to be hilarious. Heavy fifteen seconds you can have peaks and valleys in terms of commentary so commentaries commentaries not a negative in the theater. That's more space. You got space. Yeah Yeah you know when it's just you can branch out different. Take on different different subjects. You know how it is when I show what the the sure but it was great. Valley's man nothing but the the thing about it there is a very compelling in theaters. are like they're hanging on every especially a problem when you do theater sometimes because where I take my special is actually a legit kind of blackbox expectations of that space. Are Heavy right so idea. The comedy thing is you. Can we laugh coursing laugh but but yeah but but the older theaters. So how. How long did you run? Did you do residents six months. And what did you. What do you mean like you learned how to produce? What does that entail entail for that kind of students? It means finding the space sure putting up the money yet renting it out here hiring. The publicist yeah hiring. The sound the if the theater doesn't have I have it right hiring the tech people and then you do this cities I did it. I did it there I from there. I went out to L. A.. Couple of years later did it. At the coast hosts playhouse in Los Angeles Beco- that went well artistically. But it's very hard to draw people in and I was thinking. Oh this'll be. You know a little this. I want to repeat this model right and the only issue is much bigger city. People don't walk around. It's not Harvard Square so Typically the reviews were really great. Horrible the La when you come do something with expectations. Oh man like I've done that. I moved my wife. My son was wanting new old. Yeah I'll see it from what year was at ninety ninety eight. Why why did you move to do the show? I wanted to the Dow and I rented the theater. I stayed five months the coast playhouse. And you know what it was it was an El Nino hit. It was like ninety eight L. Nino and the weather people are coming on whatever you do. Don't leave the house. It's raining in the basement. It's like it's coming down at the coast playhouse tin roof so when it rains here it's like you're one stage and the audience's Initially there were big but I kept feeling like a would build. Yeah but it never really built owed critical mass. So we'd have thirteen people when you can hear the raindrops valley making serious point. He had the rain ops but we stayed there five months. But I tell you. took a beating took a beaten financially. Yeah but artistically very successful took beaten financially but I was going back to Boston Really Gig to to do a show right. I saw a newspaper article on the plane. Yeah USA Today. It's sixty minutes to sixty minutes is GONNA do a sixty minutes to and they have all the people they have all the correspondent. The only person they don't have as the Andy Rooney Guy Right and so I have been pushing myself to do commentaries and new in Boston and in La to these various television station. Let me do the Andy Rooney spot type thing like on it shows. The new shows not the daily show. You know now this was more like the network coming out of the news right. That's where I thought the topical humor would be. Yeah Anyway knows interested but I saw this article I called a gross gray. Yeah real and I said please send in a tape man. Oh he's your manager and he sent them the tape and the next thing I know while three months later ended ended up with an interview for the job to do the Andy Rooney spot on sixty minutes to win. That was awesome that lasted a couple years there every week. I was there during the you. You know for the for the nine months of the year for two years. That's great in. Yeah yeah it was great aid. uh-huh staying in these great hotels in New York right the Essex House overlooking the park. It was great that was great. What is what is sweet thing to happen you so you know it sounds like also one of those moments where because because the nature what we do I was going to quit man? Yeah I was so despondent I mean the loss right. I made all the money that I use it the hasty pudding theater and I said going to La. We're GONNA do it. We're GONNA do it. WE'RE GONNA go to another level you know and it didn't lose all of it but you know it's just not making get any money and the excellent hard was the expectation to sort of get into TV the thinker. Did you just think you were going to be able to special right one the open for business viewing for business to be out here to be working and then you just get lost out here. Yeah well you know I mean it. It went fine but it didn't make any money money right you know. And that's not. That's the norm right. That's you know I know it's highly unusual to make any money in theatre. How do you make a million dollars to start with? Two million is highly highly unusual to make any money in show business at a certain level. Man You know I mean it's like we're coming up it you know it's just so fleeting you even if you get a deal. Oh you're great. You know enough after a certain point like I'm not spending this money like I see I'm fortunate to have been in this game since I was twenty twenty for you know you see these guys get these deals. Remember back in the day they give even Lenny you get these on their commitments and buying houses cadillacs. Whatever my buddy Tom? He'd bought a cadillac for everybody. My duty really. Tom Rhodes combined y when they got the network deals. They went out and spend on my. How do you spend that money money? I you know I I still this day. I'm weird about spending money because it just because the comic rain. I don't know how long this is going to have this right right the way so but the run with sixty minutes now. How did that affect the one man shows? Were you able to. Yeah it just keep working but they did people know you from that from six day. Did in the Matt. Boston area primarily. Yeah it's just allow me to keep working a in great credibility yeah You know great credit was good. Income male learned about the business and it was also at a time where that the news and the media wasn't as fractured right now and it wasn't advocacy journalism. I mean they had standards. You had to. You know they it wasn't it wasn't just like an automatic. Oh Jimmy's going to do a commentary. GO AHEAD MIA says why we're going to put this through. The strain are GonNa make sure this is right. The lighting the sound commentary is what it has to be for network television following a sixty minutes episodes on Wednesday nights so it was a much more controlled environment much more. You're within longer journalistic standards. CBS News Corp.. So you were Allie. That world right. It wasn't set it wasn't like the weekend update. Yeah no no right right. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah which was which was great. It's time but you weren't doing you. Were doing sorta socially relevant topics you weren't just Andy Rooney we'll talk about marble for ten minutes right. Well he did. He would find these interesting interesting. Twist or interesting insights on the simplest thing. Yeah and I was more. I was definitely more politically driven in terms of larger a jury issues. And I'm talking about you know everything from now. The death penalty guns issues of the day. And that's really wasn't wasn't what the spot was four but it lasted two years and they do it. Yeah let me do it in one while. And after that is that when he took the residency in Ville. Yeah I I went back to Massachusetts Basically I wasn't still living there but anyway yeah I wanted to go to New York. Yeah Oh yeah I wanted to place place to work and be onstage. Do my own thing. Yeah and that theater was available and I sat in Renton. That theater called. The Boston was called the Boston baked living in Somerville. Yeah Davis Square. Yeah Yeah and Boston bactheatre was below. The it was right next to the baron. Great Irish pub in Davis Square right across the street from red bones. McHugh place and the landlord was super the Gordon family and they said it's for rent and they wanted me in there had some somewhat of a reputation and at this point and we rented it in St five years. Renamed it Jimmy Tangles off Broadway theatre. Let me do my one man show. They ran one of the one man shows was there. I can't remember which one definitely worked out there long form a few nights I think you did we brought in. We did the Unconventional Comedy Comedy Convention in two thousand and four for the when the democratic The Democratic Party had their convention Boston in two thousand and four Fact that's when Barack Obama I Yeah made a national you open for Kerry. Yeah when yeah great opening spot yeah nailed it. Yeah yeah he was the headliner. I it's not red state or blue state. That is the United States of America. Yeah but anyway. We did the unconventional comedy convention. The end it was all political humor. Humor was at you were there. Janine we add cremins yeah we had durst. We saw. We had Lewis Black. We had over the course of a month. We've yeah we booked. All these different acts durst is doing. I think you're right. Yeah I already had a stroke. Yeah Yeah I think he's okay. Okay I saw on facebook and good. Good Yeah so yes so you did five years. Yeah the producing everything ranked reducing we making a live there. Does it work. Yeah I was working but I was making a live in in other ways as well because I could do other shows my own shows book it out right. Did you have just a straight up comedy night or to or we had we had music theater. It was a lot of different things. It wasn't just. It wasn't a comedy club right and which is for the broader picture is good buy it for marketing and making money is probably not the best way to variety house. Yeah variety would have your one person show. We'd have a band. We'd have a night of Poetry Slam. It was more of an old place. Yeah you know But it was great. We did the Ding Ho Reunion. There a couple of times. Yeah Yeah that was funny we cremins down there and you know something right. Yeah Steve Right here. We do a lot of stuff by the way one of the guys have forgot to mention about the Gavin. Oh Yeah of course a great Don Gavin. I think I'm going to interview him in a couple of months. Oh good I lo Gavan. Yeah Yeah. He's really something. Yeah he was but we had all those folks there but it it was good but again you learn the business you know you can make your own breaks and you do what you WanNa do. We'll have that come to a close. It came to a close. It's the lease was up after five years and the choice was do you WanNa go for another five years had it. I had it like you could extend every year right so I didn't have to sign in for five years but after five years I had I re up for another five years and I didn't WanNa do it right. I was just I was tired. Where did you find time because I know that like at some point you like you went to Harvard? I got outta there. Yeah I when I I left the theater. I was looking for things to do when I was just saying. You know I want to do something that has more. I don't know maybe more of an impact you know that was the big shift right. Yeah Yeah were you start thinking about act actually being involved how yeah. I wanted to learn more. I felt like maybe I'd like to run for office. We use something anthon or or try to use entertainment purposes beyond just entertainment. Yeah right to do something that has some sort of a meaning because you know how it is we do. I shows and you could talk about the greatest. The ideas in the world. And the show's over right. Everybody goes their separate ways right. And what is your how. How were you actually invested? You know three. Yeah it's because there's a there's a way that we think sometimes sometimes it's okay. I'm talking about stuff. I make an impact by saying but you know the people that really make an impact. Get there you know they roll this up and they're in it right. They're doing the work right. And we're you just sort of okay. I hate that guy. And this sucks. I hope Hope I change some minds out there. Thank you but not that everybody. Who's doing that is is is? Is that Superficial on it. But it's not. It's not the art forms not designed for two for calls to action necessarily right right but the Kennedy School. I just kept meeting people that they said. What are you doing now Jimmy? So I don't know there's you should check out the Kennedy School and what is what is it exactly. It's the school government. Can anyone the master's degree master's sorry. I didn't mean to be anybody can go. But it's funny. When I first came on the map seventy eight? I remember walking by in a very much in a very despondent. Very active active mode in seventy because I still lived in Cambridge at the time is right by the water right so I got. I got like one of the Admission booklets collects right. Kaufman I love to go here someday but anyway so after two thousand seven when the theatre closed I just most people say you should apply a friend of mine. WHO's on Cambridge City Council? Marjorie Decker said Jimmy. You should apply the Kennedy school couple of did how it's in what me a letter Tommy. O'Neill wrote a letter. And then I knew sin sin I know Zen from I did a lot of shows down well fleet and his son Jephson wrote ran a great theater down there called the the what Barack this theater was right on the water when I left Ascoli when I left the American Place Theatre in ninety three I went. I went looking for gigs. Looking for of theaters route was one of the places. I went how it came to the show. Love the show He was great. We became friends friends of the family. He informed any of your thinking thinking. Oh Yeah Oh yeah. Yeah Yeah Yeah you because they have a personal relationship with guy of that stature you know a sort of a a singular political thinker and definitely progressive but also someone who wrote the the kind of Bible of of reinterpreting history right from the victim's point of view right It must have been something to to have kind of private relationship ship with. Oh yeah well. He came to. The shelves loved that he was a big supporter of the theater and suggesting that he did he. How did you help your thinking I mean like because it seems like he's a guy that would be like put things into a different perspective. You know he he he just liked what was he liked. What I was there? He was also a friend of Barry. CRIMMINS yeah He he just supported comedy supporter yards. He loved the fact that it was political. It was about something the shows were about something something trying to make points. You're making people laugh. Pointing out hypocrisy pointing out inequality Taking on bigger subjects that were difficult to talk about. And so you can do in a theater. Yeah yeah he well he was he was fearless. Oh the People's history of the United States is that you know it's pretty fearless book and He. I remember he taught you. I didn't take his class but it was hard to get into them because it was quite an event. Yeah Yeah it was a show to be in his you know. His lectures people loved it and he was out out front against though he was he was out front. On behalf of the Civil Rights Movement in the fifties taught at Spelman College in the South Right Women's African American American College and was on the forefront of that early the civil rights young late fifties and he was just very committed and and he was fearless about the war in Vietnam Iraq and even when after nine eleven he was opposed to Afghanistan. Supposed to Iraq. You know and so he took a lot of heat but but he never backed down. He was just very very committed to his point of view. Chomsky ever come to your show. Oh yeah I I actually did a show with how it and Chomsky Awhile. Yeah Yeah we did one for a fundraiser. For the theater up there in Wellesley and it was it was pretty cool because it is Chomsky woody guy you know he is he this guy he is and it was funny because we did I was the MC MCI and we had Howard on and then nome. And ooh did it in a church in well fleet mass the Congo Chair at eight hundred people. It's packed this is like this before nine whereas wealthy wealthy descend Lower Cape Ape. Okay the Outer Cape me about ten miles north of town. Okay Yeah Very cool area and so I'm doing the show and I'm MC and it was about but they were all about they were all about pointing out the inequalities wrong Right and and there were also oh about galvanizing people but not in an effect there was never any movement you know what I mean like an organized movement it was never a political party right. You know and I always felt like that's what we need to do. We need to be united to for social change. It's got to be some sort of a movement not just desperate voices right and but I remember we were. We had just passed this thing up in Massachusetts called the clean elections and it was public financing in Massachusetts and it passed the ballot at sixty percent of the vote and legislature wouldn't fund it Massachusetts time so I was so inspired by GNOME and how it talks about. You gotTa Take Action. I said listen. We need to do a march. We need to March from Lexington and concord to the Boston Common. And we've got a march on behalf of clean elections get the legislature to funded. Let's do this and so everybody and so that was like a big just motivated me had to get involved. We did it. We did it in nine. Eleven happened like a month later. This was an August. Two thousand one hundred eleven happened a month later. Uh and we did it like two weeks after the nine eleven. We did the march. Carry the flag hallway. It was awesome. Couple hundred people fifteen mile March It was great but it was those type of people that motivated me so it wasn't just comedy it was like. What do people people with thinking outside the box? Pushing the envelope politically pushing the envelope employee. Exactly and so. So you applied to Kennedy Center at I applied to the Kennedy School and get in. Couldn't believe I got in the only comedian and that was the ball. That was always great about three years. It's one year one year's mid career program and and When you get out you get a masters of public administration but the great thing about it was it was so uplifting to be around people who are committed? They're from all all walks of life. You have people like the people who served in Afghanistan Iraq and young guy you know men and women over there Special Forces you had corporate people. You had not people from the nonprofit world you had people who were you know municipal Men's municipal awful officeholders. Aw country he had one hundred people from overseas. You have people from like Africa and Asia and China Israelis and Palestinians in the same class who Who Don't mix in Israel? But they mixing there. What do you learn there? You learn about people's humanity. That's what that's what I learned about the positiveness and the optimism that people have no matter. How fucked up? It seems on the surface. There is a huge contingent of people moving this country in this world forward on a daily basis assist all over the world and that's the and these people they're a congess completely committed to that to progress human progress Toronto improve whatever society sided they come from and it was just dynamite. We actually did comedy there. I did a thing with the Israelis and Palestinians. We did a show. We've got some jewish-american. The American COMEDIANS and Palestinian Americans and did a show Marshall Ganz was actually the moderator of it but anyway it was just a very positive experience people trying to improve the society when you went nuts and bolts of it Had A class with David. Gergen oh yeah yeah We had a class on organizing political organizing. You have classes on negotiation classes on some of the classes are more general some of them. You have to take certain you know mathematical okay. Maths masterclasses statistics I had to take. That was tough right. That was really hard but But I love being there and again it just the the optimism. The feeling of that the things can change deciding. It's up to the people who were here to do the work and then you you get out in and A. and then so the plan is actually did the commencement address at that. Yeah Yeah Yeah I took. I took a class called arts and communication. Yeah and and Jimmy. You're a comedian. You've been in the odds for twenty years so whatever the why are you taking this class has it because I never studied it. I had no idea I never took acting took a you know how. What did you learn in that class? They had US watching commencement addresses. How people just give a commencement? He has the story and kind of I have. They've been doing that with wondering show comedy. But they showed us one with Steve Jobs. from Stanford His his commencement address. Great Great Commencement announcement address. And I ask the professor after I said do they do a commencement to us here. At Harvard goes on every issue should apply the would love to have a funny one so I actually applied you writing school not for the whole school for the Harvard Graduate School. Commencement address at Harvard. Graduation Yeah Two two thousand ten and I. It was like an audition day like forty people that law school medical school education school business school Kennedy School they right essays and they've student address and then they have a so. Yeah then they have like Yeah they had judge Suda from the Supreme Court was the main in person. Yeah but they have the graduate student and they have an undergraduate student so anyway I made I have thirty or forty people. Then they get to twenty and they get get it top ten then and get down to five Cisco was like that. And I'm telling you the whole comedy. Career really helped when it came down to this because I was was practicing the BBC and riot. I know how I can get through this. That's exactly what I did. I was taking the commencement address and it was doing open mics with no I was going rescue teams. Yes I was going to pass seems I was going into the comedy studio in Harvard Square. I was at the Cab Lounge in central squares shit and I was try reading the bids. I'm I'm running the speech and I'm going listen everybody. This is one night's funny so like one o'clock in the morning. The Cat Tableau half the audiences passed out. It's it's an open mic. Blues night. One in the morning it's Tuesday and I'm like all right. Listen Thursday morning. I'm giving the commencement address at Harvard. They want to practice it on you. Guys what do you say people. Harvard Sarcelles Hecklers. But the people dug it. And it's just like like doing a set for the tonight show or anything else fifteen minutes. No it was like eighty eight minutes. Oh yeah nine minutes or something but because it was humorous people paid attention and you could lean on some as exciting. Oh great did you meet tutor. I did not meet Briefly briefly but you know street with their. Oh Yeah it's on Youtube Youtube okay. As a matter of fact Jim Getting Harvard. Commencement Jimmy Tingle. Salva commencement address. Yeah she's laughing. Oh she was digging it. Yeah she was digging and so and so when you get out of there and you get your degree. The now do sideline comedy together to get into politics and I took a year off to go. UH-HUH I just did a couple of events that I was already booked for but I just focused on the school and I didn't even tell anybody going because I didn't want to be the first person to flunk walkout right so I get out and I just I I realized a couple of things the cultural influence of entertainment. How important it is worth the Kennedy School with all these people? They're doing really important work here than most of them are never on television right. Never on the radio yeah. They're not in the cultural conversation. Asian the way that matches the importance of what they're doing So I felt if I can stick with comedy and do what I'm doing. That's a great way to try to you. Know just reach more people right really. And so that's I just went back into it and one person shows and started a little bit of an organization. It's a social enterprise called Huma for humanity and that's up still in the early stages right it's a startup but it's a way to use entertainment for purposes beyond entertainment in here. Our mission statement here humor humanity more than entertainment raising spirits funds and awareness for nonprofits charities and social causes our mission is your mission. Humor humor for humanity humor and helping humor inhaling humor and hope ha ha so so it's basically a kind of a You set up shows for different nonprofits now. Nonprofit nonprofit seems like a good idea. Yeah it's fun. Is it for comedy. Yeah you got comedians. Yeah I got a roster I you know I have some friends that have done some I just did one at the Harvard Club actually raise money for the Kennedy School New England Alumni Association. The board that I'm on and they help with the social The nonprofits in the Boston area. But it's still in the early stages I've been doing primarily primarily as a solo because it's simpler you know where perform MC or whatever whatever they need yeah and it's fun but it's a way to actually have an impact beyond just the entertainment pot. Yeah that's and that's the biggest thing. And that's why I ran for office. Ran for Lieutenant Lieutenant Governor Massachusetts. That's and that's what this show at the wilburs about on December twenty eighth is about. It's called twenty twenty vision and Jimmy Tango's twenty twenty vision is why would a comedian run for office and and it basically I'm explaining to people why Iran because people when I first ran the go. You know you're a comedian. You don't know anything about politics. I think he just parachuted in. Just but I said it'd been committed to a lot of these issues for many years. I have the television clips to prove it more than the president. I actually have a clip in this show from sixty fifty minutes who I'm doing a commentary on Donald Trump running for president in nineteen ninety nine. Yeah and he It when he first announced that he was going to run the first time he floated the idea sixty minutes to get up. You know a segment on them and I came out of that segment during a two minute. Commentary okay minute forty. Yeah and I show that actually in the show at the Wilbur. So I've been committed to these things tonight. Show was great experience was doing social and political humor at the time that you know there was a great thing never wanted me back you know. They didn't want it back at that time. It was not like that. They didn't want it. So this is the show. Joe At the at the Wilbur is is primarily just about your engagement in politics and the experience of running running for serious. Yeah yeah so what what what was it like. Did you have to put a whole campaign for together. Oh yes I did man. You know how to do all that stuff. I in a way I did. I knew what it entailed but by the I got in a little late first of all and when you get in late to something the other the staff of taken taken up from with other campaign so campaign manages that were would normally be available. Were taken up by other campaign so that was a challenge so I went for about you know five or six months without a campaign manager trying to do it as well as I could do it but my motivation was really coming back to that story. Ori Trying to get help in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven like when the guy at the contract. I called the detox. And they said you after calling several places and getting the runaround run around this guy said you call the right place and I went in and it changed my life right and my whole motivation was. We need a society where anybody picks up a phone reaches offer. Help the answer on the other end always should be you call the right place. Yeah right and that's the type society we need in Massachusetts around the country with the OPIOID drug addiction. Problems problems in the alcoholism that we have so treated as a medical issue. That was my primary motivation for running. That's a big issue in Massachusetts it. It covers both sides of the aisle ritual. Black White doesn't matter and it's just a huge thing and it's a big problem up there but anyway so that was like my basic motivation but also all the other issues the public transportation. How important it is? Yeah you know Um when I did the tonight show. I was talking about guns. I was talking about homelessness talking about eight talking about all these issues still front and center. Yeah and so I said you know what I just can't pay. I just can't be a spectator anymore. I WanNa get involved when I saw trump when I saw trump win I said you know what if he can use his communication skills as an entertainer for his message. I can try to use my communication skills as an entertainer tena for our message and people say trump win and my estimation he short simple sentences short simple messages three words build the wall yeah drain the swamp belligerent anger. Yeah shameless anger. Also yes yes. People build the wall drain the swamp lock make America Great. You know those three words you know what we have our own three words. Can I tell you can tell you feed Hungry House that brother Nice House the homeless the sick welcome the stranger and I would add mark for the people in Boston. Fixed t John F. Kennedy could inspire a generation ago to the moon. We can get a train to go to Springfield Massachusetts in New York. We can get the L. train to run on Sundays exactly and I think if we put our heads together we can connect get a train to connect north station to south station in the great city. That was the type of motivation. Right goes goes into so you feel that this show that you're doing the Wilbur. On December twenty eighth is part of the goal to inspire people get involved take action yes. It's part of the goal is to tell the story. Why did it it was a serious campaign? I'm still going to be involved. I'm still doing whatever Jews We got two hundred and thirteen thousand volts. Three hundred thirteen thousand good news is we got two hundred and thirteen thousand three hundred thirteen votes and I came in second place the bad news two person race but we have forty one percent of the vote in the primary. That's amazing yeah. It was great man. You'RE GONNA run. I might I. I don't know I don't know if those are unique. You know if there was something I felt like I could always uniquely qualified to help with. Yeah I would consider it. Yeah but And so it was a great thing but my whole messages. Get involved if you don't like what's going on. Turn off the television set. Call your local mechanic party call. I get behind one other candidates that are running for president get behind people helping the state legislature do something. You know it's fun it's Cathodic. I helped with Hillary the way I've got involved. I was doing events for Hillary Clinton with Bonnie Frank and two thousand sixteen in October. Yeah we're doing these gigs in with fundraisers for her right yeah September and October and it was a blast. Bonnie would do five minutes ten minutes of get out the vote. May I do like ten minutes of comedy. Yeah and after the last one. I said Bonnie it's too late late to run for office and a series where he goes no not at all because after the election. Let's have lunch so in the next month. I do what I always do every election every four years I get my I signed. I make phone calls. I knock on doors after New Hampshire and knock on doors and get involved and make phone calls and donate to fundraisers whatever and you meet people. Oh who are like minded you get it out of your system. It's Cathodic so when she lost. I didn't feel as horrible as it would have if I didn't do anything. Yeah you know now. And there's a lot of funny stories. I'll tell you one funny story. I'm in central square came. You know say they got my sign on election day. Let's do this election day. Let's do this S. and people all the people ignore you. They're coming up out of the subway. They get the headphones on and are paying attention. After a couple of hours of this is taking up said listen people. I did not risk my life at the battle of the bulge so people could not vote on election day. Get in. They'll walk in. Pass me not even listen. Two hours later I get even more bizarre as the end of the day. It's Election Day people at tie. I'm delirious said listen you people listen you kids. I did not take a musket ball. All to the knee at the battle of Bunker Hill so young professionals in Cambridge Massachusetts could squander their constitutional rights to vote this. The kid comes up to me about nineteen years old dead serious in the eye and says thank you be a service taken that I know. We're all getting older. Mach two hundred and forty-one you look great. Thank you but that's my message. Get involved and we gotta do it state-wide and we gotta do it in the swing states We gotta we gotta get the ground troops man you know. Yeah I think you're right man. I think you're right. I'm scared and I'm also so excited. Yeah Yeah I guess you. I think that's the other thing. Is You know there was a sort of component to the other two are side side. We get discouraged and despairing. There's it's hard to hopelessness is pervasive. Because we really see so many of the things that we think are important diminishing not not the least of which is the planet. Yeah and you know. It's hard to to have faith to to feel like anything's GONNA to help. And I think that's a personal problem and I think we've got to transcend that. Yeah absolutely you know raw very sensitive. Y- you mean the other thing is let's just say people listening they WANNA help. Are they want to help. Elizabeth Warren. They WANNA help Biden. Whoever you want to help help them but at the end of the day we gotta come together? We need the burn people Elizabeth People that may have people. The Democrats got come together and unite. Because if we don't we're going to get a repeat of what happened. The last time I repeat would be. I think yes sadly better than than more. Yeah Yeah I do I do great talking to you. Jim Greater going to you mark. Thanks a million for having me man Jimmy King Goal Jimmy Tangles Twenty. Twenty Vision at the Wilbur Theatre and Boston is this Saturday. December twenty eighth go to Jimmy tingle. L. Dot Com for tickets. And all things. Jimmy tingle related you can go to W. t.f pods dot com slash tour for all of my tour dates. 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Episode 1087 - Joe Mantegna

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Episode 1087 - Joe Mantegna

"Hey folks I have a cold so bear with me. Here's where you can come see me in the next two months Thursday January thirtieth Cleveland. Ohio at the Agora Theater Friday January January thirty first Grand Rapids Michigan at the Fountain Street. Church Saturday February first Milwaukee Wisconsin at the Turner Hall Ballroom. Friday February Fourteenth Orlando Florida at hard rock live Saturday February Fifteenth Tampa Florida at the center Thursday February Twentieth Portland Maine State Theater Theater. Friday February Twenty First Providence Rhode Island Columbus Theatre. Saturday February twenty-second New Haven Connecticut at College Street Music Hall and Sunday February Twenty Third Huntington New York at the paramount go to WPF pod dot com slash tour for links to all the venues. Alright okay. I'M GONNA I'm GonNa let we're going to jump over to the show now we're GonNa do the music thing and jump in and go over with get over the hump get through the thing at the beginning here we go here we go all right. Let's do this. How are you what the fuck is what the fuck buddies? What the fuck stirs what's happening? I'm Marc Maron. This is my podcast. Welcome to it. I assume from judging by the reaction to the Brad Pitt. Leonardo DiCaprio conversation sation that I've got a few new people out there listening. Welcome aboard how're you doing. Do you want to introduce yourself to the rest of the people. Do you want to stand up. Happens and say your name and maybe where you come from and what you do and May in if it's appropriate you can you can name your disease piece. I have a fairly sort of intimate in and and fairly deep relationship with a lot of my listeners. And I like to check in so so I just WanNa make sure you guys are okay and you're comfortable now GonNa talk to some of the other people that that listen all the time. Hey did you get that thing fixed on your car. How's that how did you guys did you guys make up or what what? Now what was the fight about. Did you hear back from the doctor is GONNA be alright. How long are you going to be on the crutches crutches? How did you get the flu seriously? Didn't you get vaccinated. You're not one of those people. Are you your hair. Looks Very nice today. I see see. That's the kind of thing now. You may not have heard the answers but there there and again welcome You can all sit down now. I appreciate you being here. I gotta be honest honest with you. The response to that episode was fairly massive and I did not expect it Today on the show Joe Montana is here and you know no him from being Joe Montana. He's on the. CBS Show criminal minds which is on its fifteenth and final season. But he's been in a lot of things a lot of people we know from the simpsons and I didn't even know from the simpsons. I remember from his movie. Work Early on David Mammon and whatnot. But you know always struck me as a nice guy. Solid solid guy grounded dude and when the opportunity came up to talk to him. I was very happy to do that. And it turned out to be great to be honest with you. I'm I'm Rian Reinvigorated since I've talked to you I left Los Angeles. I went to Atlanta on Sunday and I worked on respect the ARETHA. The Franklin movie for two days came back yesterday. Then I'm going to go back out there on Sunday and somewhere along the line. I gotTa fucking cold but what I was talking about before. Is these conversations. I've been having like for me. Did Not have any perspective about myself and what was really happening there with the Leonardo di Caprio Brad Pitt. It just tells me that there's some parts of me that just are unchanging and there's nothing I guess there's things I can do about it. I don't know there's definitely definitely some things that are unchanging. I know I've gotten better at doing this. And I know that I've done it for a long time but every time I talked to somebody. I'm still freaked. Worked out and then when it's good. I'm amazed but the fact that I walked out of that and so many people enjoyed it so much and I had no fucking idea what I got. I was having a good time but I was a lot what was going on in my mind and and that ended up being one of the reasons it was so good so dea changed my fucking neck. I'm telling Alan you these physical things man. I eat my chest up on me man at last week. It's been in and out and when I get stressed out when I get panicked scared or whatever it is and it could and it's hard for me to track it but like in. This is happening my entire life. My chest just tightens up like someone stepping on it and for some reason this time like an. It's happened before I was just like one fifty six. I mean this could be it. I don't think it's a hard thing. Maybe my lungs are shot. Maybe got cancer. Whatever it is why should I assume okay and that just compounds distress and clearly? It was about doing the movie again because I had the issue with the movie before before where you know. It's it's a big deal to do a bigger part in a movie for me with a bunch of people that you know at the level of doing it at and I I guess like I just the nerves in the dread just kind of tight me up. When I got set two days ago all went away and I got ease back into it? GotTa make up got the hair done. Became Jerry Wexler. Got My My New York accent on and did the work. I think one of the reasons I got a call. Everybody was smoking in those fake cigarettes. Man I mean like all day long all day no reprieve. I wasn't even smoking inhaling fucking mess. 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Nick Hall the owner of Muscle Shoals studios and I had a contentious relationship with him. Jerry Wexler did so there was a lot of. We did a lot of work together. A lot of scenes together a lot of arguments and it was it was pretty great. Man I I gotta be honest and having Marlon Wayans around Who I work? He's there to. He plays a Ted who who is a wreath is husband to be in the scene for that long to do the scenes over and over again. I really got the feeling of both what is tedious about acting in movies but also so. What's amazing about it? Is You really get into this. Other zone was like time travel. And you do in the song and you're locking in and there's one scene where me and Mike and and Marlin and the dude. WHO's playing Tom? Dowd they were in the booth all Dane. There's no excuse for what we just have to listen that they're just shooting US listening to this song. Unfold to hearing aretha Franklin become aretha Franklin during the song that had happened on and it's intense workman workman. It's intense work to listen intensely and have the experience of revelation every time but nonetheless a lot of laughs in the sense not not onscreen but off. cracking Marlin up. Then we. It was fun. I'm going to admit to you. It was fun and I got a cold and I ate the craft that the catering was nuts. I that's why I can't i. I had to come home. I think I could have stayed there for four days but I can't I can't do it man. They changed caterers. And the first day that we steak and lobster bread pudding four kinds of ice cream. Are you fucking kidding me the next day marlins giving me cookies. Because he thinks it's he thinks it's funny because they eat and hate myself for eating. I don't know man so midway through this recreating this recording session Russian. I'm told that spooner Oldham. And recalls wife widow and Dave Hood Bass player and Trombone Player Patterson Hood Hoods Dad when real muscle shoals guys. They're they're they're hanging out. They're watching and the producer of the movie comes in and says they're like. Oh my God has Jerry. He's doing it that's Jerry he's he's nailing it so that that was a nice little ego boost thousand nice little moment DAB and to meet spooner Oldham in and and Dave Hood was great. I mean I've interviewed Patterson but but it was great to talk to those guys. spooners not not a big talker and I ran into him back at the hotel actually. He's got to be almost. He's got to be in his eighties and we went up to the we went up in the elevator together. I said Yeah. It's very exhausting to be Jerry Wexler and spooner goes what was very exhausting. Be around him to even for ten minutes and then like all right. I know that guy. I think I might be that guy that guy in me. 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Wait till the Lenny Boo. WHO's The guy playing lenny? Bruce running marble he wrote it he wrote it he performs it. What is what it's called? I'm not a comedian. Lenny Bruce Okay. We'll men show. How do you know the Guy Rally came to twenty years ago? Started a theater company. Here Co Sixty state senators from New York. Yeah in the Kmart here started as theater company. He basically got script to me somehow. Twenty years ago. I wrote this movie. I've always thought of you. Plane is one little part would be like one day the right get that shit but anyway I read it I go you know what I liked his as his. What's his Moxie? Met met with the guy. Yeah I like to see my New York version of me and I wound up doing the movie bottom line but but I learned to like that really like the guy because like I said he has this theater company sixty eight cent theater. It's really the reason it's called that his moved out here to La. He has sixteen cents in his pocket. I wanted to do was theater and has been doing accident. I directed a play. He had the series of John. Channeling family place And he did like fifteen of right all at once innocent. He thinks big. I directed one of them at the place at his theatre. Anyway he came to me. He's obsessed with Lenny Bruce Sheriff because he had done this other play written by somebody else years ago. Yeah he did it and he liked the play but he done so much more research on it and he went to the playwright. Said you know what I really think if he had this this this guy says aroma. Play your own and he did. He wrote his own ladies. Lenny Bruce tape and it's an and so he came to me what it says. Joel I like it. Just would you be interested in directing and I says well let me see what you got stood up in front of me and for this. It's like ninety minutes. Let's he just did a ninety minute basic and it's not as maybe thirty percent is bits right. His life right from beginning to end on the story of his life story was incorporating the bits as well so when he was done I said I said Yeah I. I'm a believer of fits on a page on stage. Yeah just thought he'd done a wonderful job of writing it and performing it I said Yeah no now let me do my Voodoo which is you know. Move stuff around change it. Give it beginning this. This is essentially a one man. Show Amancio we opened in La. We we ran like eleven months here. We then we took it to New York off Broadway nine months. They're not such ICAGO and it's doing a great. We opened in October It's just been extended in January kidding. Yeah and which theater. It's at the Royal George. Okay I'll I'll go requests from steppenwolf theatre for people from the Royal George Hundred Eighty and they're packing out and it's kiddies weeks has been such a huge supporter Kitty Bruce. Yeah 'cause she says it's the only time a portrayal of her father that she's kind of bought in. Yeah Oh really not sort of material. Yeah and Great Eric. Idle came and saw the billy. Crystal Bonny Hunt with great great. Yeah it's really great. I got to see it. Oh and love you to see it. He's done overlook two hundred and fifty how I swept on it when I was here. It'll be back because we're whenever we whenever we change venues we bring it back here. I tune it up a little bit. Sometimes they handle something tweak a little bit like when you do when you see that like so you directed this version right. So when you see we wh- what are your instincts instinct surrounded immediately like when when you look at a guy doing a one man show. He's playing Lenny Bruce. It's a character as a director. What do you what do you think has to happen for me? I I saw. Oh Him do what he had and I start to sometimes visualize things within that of like for example when he had it for me he opened it up with a bit right right and in fact the one more controversial bits which is the N.. Word but yeah which is lot of people familiar with right so he opened with that and so it's because everybody the name the house at a Opens with that and so then we finish through the the model of not a month but with his version of this show of his. I say I said why do you open with that. He was on his grabbed shocking. Shocking already says you opened with that for you're GONNA have half. The people might walk walkout. They'll start yelling at because they know you bright. They're reeling from really from one line. He did say that piece. He says how he says. I always found that on a naked on the toilet. Oh I went. That's triggered something in my head. Yeah I said how do you feel about getting naked. Yes we talking about his. That's how we opened on four. I says no on a toilet. He wasn't he on the floor. Well this is where kitty help cow. Kitty gave us information. Kitty story is that not only the wait a phone them as they put him. Prop them back up on the toilet stuck in kneel in his arm the cars that because they all hated him anyway right. They've been bussing of something right. Freeze the junkies. Dead on the floor Flirt Greg. Let's really show him something. So the pitchers they took where him onto toilet would a needle in his arm so he may and I actually heard those lapse tapes. He made made before he died when he was doing. Basically reading from the court hearing. Yeah because I did the play Eleni rea the one by Julian Berry right back in nineteen seventy three in Chicago we under understudied Lenny and Chicago. That's why another reason had attraction the movies from. Yes the movies based on beat. Yeah so you did it before the movie. Yeah we before to move. Oh See Played Lenny Bruce I I was in the cast now. I never went on. Did understanding elite rolling. Okay forced me to note a material right. Did you ever see lenny the real any and all but I remember being in Chicago when he was there and you know I was too young right. Oh Yeah Sixteen. And he was playing at the gate horn. Or maybe you're or Mister Kelly's or whatever bright must've Kelly this is where you know. mort Saul Writing Shelley Berman. And out. All right yeah it was an institution and Chicago. I remember seeing scene. I was doing the play hair. Nineteen sixty nine. Oh Shit and we missed. No no no Shubert theatre but we went. Mister Kelly's because the the guy in our cast Michael Federal was dating Bette Midler time and Bet was opening for Dick Shawn why she was just the opening act via. We all went to see Dr because she was Michael's girlfriend you know we'll see you. And then she became a good pal fred. This fourth of friends. Yeah and it was funny. As after she's telling us he goes up ticket adding girls that a show like heavy. These things will calm the highlights and and smart me. I'm sitting here now. That's stupid you don't need it. You really got so much. Don't want to split the money for you. Donate girls behind right right. But she wound up hiring. Two girls are cast Ula HEDWIG and Charlotte crosby original highlights and hundred shiels. Who just wanted to Tony this year? WHO's in our company Benia? He he choreographed them. I said okay. You want to do that. Of course there was a ended up. Hanno player was was very manilow at the time right let him do like a song. We're to and stuff like that. Isn't that wild. I mean but I'm seventy two years old You know this is part of my act like you grew up in Chicago from you. Were born there every corner everything all your man your mom everybody Yeah Day. My Dad was born in Oklahoma because my grandfather came over from Sicily. And it's a thinks the Oklahoma what it was I think they all came from this. One counters his town in Sicily Kokoschka. Better which is as big as this room. Yeah they must have found out in early nineteen hundreds if there was this coal mine in Krebs Oklahoma. Wow and that if you went there and worked in the coal mines you can make enough money to buy land because that the Indians Indians and native Americans because it wasn't even a date yet right would sell you land And I was at the town in Sicily College about the the only thing you can grow result right because it's a top of a mountain. Yeah no everybody's buried in Muslim. Because there's IT's rock. Yeah so I'm sure my grandfather among other Sicilians of the time said land end the fifty acres we can get. I'm in so so you go there today. Oh which I've been there where the racket start though who one guy must have stumbled on. Who knows yeah? Yeah and he called his buddies and say Luigi A. L.. Let's go so they show up. My grandfather worked in coal mine. My brothers in the so. I've got all the information we the research. Yeah did the deed we still on the farm. No short a guy in Oklahoma Oklahoma. You go near designed Krebs Oklahoma's little Italy because they're still settled. The remnants of those people came the farms. Yeah they're all like like like there's US than Randazzo firm next door but growing. Oh No I don't know. They grow in their. They grow what they grow. Yeah I mean but my I'll show you his lawyer say pitches. Yeah my gravestone. It's all in the Talian. He's buried there in crabs CBS. Well he's buried in Henrietta. which is the town Oakland? So Little Oklahoma so they go they work the mines they worked the mines. He worked there for five years. Yeah saved save two hundred dollars a year and after five years five hundred dollars because we got the bill of sale. Got All of this. My brother got five hundred dollars. The Indian soldier to land for five hundred dollars fifty fifty acres so it was true. I'll true grandfather built the house even use Hughes rails from the they must snatch them at night. I mean like the metal rails from the train yet. He uses those like a support beams in the house. Okay so they built this house. My Dad was born in. That house is still there. The House it got hit by a tornado. And so it's it's flat remnants. Not the Ronin sooner you could still looks like a house looks like a house like from wizard of Oz. How like a flattened? By but I was there. And I've got I'll show you how she choose of me standing on the rubble and Papa and and with the Randazzo interview because I do a show on the outdoor channel. I've been doing this show. No for nine years ago gun stories which is not as ominous as it sounds writes about the history of firearms throughout the history of the planet. Earth was at your idea. No how author channels and it came to me and I think the hosted see my fun because I used to shoot competitively years ago you did. Yeah no big deal but the travel to right. Yeah go to Italy Lia banned Germany for show. Yeah but wanted to one episodes we did were the firearms of the immigrants And so when I told him the story they said let's do that. So so. We shot the whole episode on my grandfather's farm crabs and shot his shotgun that nobody had shot since he shot it in like nineteen twenty. Two you brother having my cousin Johnny had brought he brought it down from Oregon. How I duNno in? He was the grabbed it. I mean he's bigger than the rest of. Let's see you guys all spent time on that farm when you were kids. Know I spend not only get the gun. He got he somehow he must have got. It could no because my grandfather died on the farm when my dad was only like fifteen sixteen years old. Yeah so the whole family then moved to Chicago. My grandmother picked up all the kids. The as she kept the few smart. The farm was paid for obviously so she kept it but all the family moved the Chicago. And that's why my only rely mainly connection Oklahoma's where my dad told me stories as of growing up there and you knew your grandmother though. Oh Yeah No. Yeah grandfather doubted for I born. Were obviously but you know it was kind of fascinating because my dad was really still Oklahoma. I know we're you know. My father died he died fairly young. At the Burke Yellow. It was disabled most of his life but in nineteen seventy-one he passed away. I met the funeral negative now. I'm doing the player at that time. I gotTA remember all my only my only reference to talion guys at this point Chicago types. Greg Oden New York Chicago Bourbon. All of a sudden I see guys walking up to the funeral home dressed like cowboys. They got the jeans cowboy hat sonographer a little less. But they're dark looking looking eric. Sergio Leoni move right. Yeah so they come up with you harder you you tell us where Joe Montana's funerals and I'm like what the Hell Cowboys we've talked. Well look like talion but to talk. I said I miss son. He's he's in here. Well you were your Daddy's friends Oklahoma. We knew as a boy and we already passed away. And I'm like Oh oh my God I mean. It was like watching Martians. Because here's these guys look like Clint Eastwood talking like that. But the names are Angelo Angelo. And here's Guido and I'm like Oh WLI computing. That's wild man. That was my background with my dad. So but So I have many kids in your family being personally at a two daughters. It'd be like you. How many brothers just brought my brother? Oh Yeah just. He's older. He's eight years older. I had a brother He. He died at birth. When I was five years old I remember distinctly when it happened though but because my mother only because my mother was pregnant and I remember her going into hospital saint she she was gonna come home like that was all prep? Like you're gonNA come home with a child. And then when she came home and I remember I remember. She opened a door. They didn't tell five years old time. We're going to tell you serious. I opened up her coat. Because you know because actually see left so big so she was like normal size here and I was like what happened. Yeah and then he can explain to me. Oh well you you know God took so and so away okay and so on and I wanted to say well they were probably obviously five years. Old With uh-huh okay. MOMS normal size. The an-and we go so when you were growing up wait what what did you dad. Do He was insurance man for a while ooh but but he he only had part of one lung when did he get the TV or during World War Two. He was only twenty right after he married my mother and had my brother my uh-huh eight years old and my brother was one years old. My Dad's diagnosed and they attributed it to the farm because of his two older brothers got it and also died from it and they said back then if you had something about the cattle the cows carry if they carried into movements. The milk is on past dry. Whatever contract so my dad? They sent him to a sanitarium in New York Mcgregor and he was at the sanitarium for like three years. took the lung out. They took out part of the other lung and he took up the ribs on that side. No can my dad took shirt off. Look like the letter. S was when he he shouldn't have lived here because he smoked two packs. He drank. Yeah he was like you know. But I thought like everybody's father must be like this never occurred to you. Know he was like a freak of nature. Yeah but he finally he only lived to be fifty seven and he had to and they put him on disability like in his forties. He just couldn't because he would always know. He missed the war because as he was in the hospital for all my uncles were into war but he missed it because he was an ospital. But when he got out the Sheri- He worked his insurance SAMANCOR. Well then they put him on. Disability can handle it right so he was in maybe mid forties and you lived another twenty fifty seven years old in the smoking and the drinking forget Abud cigarettes the cars I mean you know that was the thing especially when the winner does windows are up. It's like sitting in a cloud which they always know. Hey what's your mom she worked she worked at sears. Roebuck Rep. Package is always work to no no. She didn't smoke she. My mother lifted one hundred and one hundred and nine nine hundred one. You got a good. That's good I guess I guess so. She's just a couple of years ago. She got cogent Khodjent all the way through pretty much and she got a little shotgun guide with. She's in other words. She'd know who I was and my kids were and stuff. But if anybody else you'd have to remind this notice Mississau- and so okay. Yeah yeah but my mom was. I think what kept their alive partly as she she she side of my family. My my my mother's side. They're very much like thirty kind of Italians. That are very quickly Martin Lee. You know. Everything's Dan this is Lillian. Said my father said forget about it to get a little thing very nervous but my mother's side my mother. She knew what I did for a living. Really really the truth towards the Andrew with all of it. I mean being active with me and my brother made a comment summit you and you're on. TV You figured out about TV but she figures that's maybe Oh. Well that's nice. I get to see him at her funeral. This was funny at the funeral. All my brother got up to speak typical. He got up the speak I he says I got to say something about our mothers is. She was so very simple and a lot of ways. She says my brother Joey I don't think he even knows this but when he got the TV series. And I give them a red been doing mostly theater. They had offended. The movies. Wants to talk about criminal. Mind talking about when I like like I like when I was working regularly on aries which she had seen. No I'd been plays and she'd been here we sure figured out. She'd always hear about it but then she calls my brother she goes Ronnie any. I'm worried about your brother. Joey and my brother goes why she goes. He's only working an hour a week. She was dead serious because she figures. Now she is Komo Wednesdays at nine o'clock she's on CBS. But that's it it's over ten Arabian brothers stellar nuts. Okay My. He's so fine but that that was my mother. God bless her with what your brothers racket. What are you damned? If he wasn't sure insurance. He was Advertising for Montgomery Wards. It's interesting for us because that was real Chicago based company Montgomery Ward McCoy sorts. Mary and but sears was Chicago Chicago to now. Yeah the original and we lived across the street from it for many years the main ridge sears building at a sears building at home in an Arlington I mean it's the west side. Gada ghetto right now but but Back then it was. You know it was all right. I think they made build your own houses to at some point. Didn't they seriously you could buy a kit and build a house. I'm sure every everything I owned was seriously underwear my clothes because my mom worked right there. And she had profit-sharing give you so when you were growing up in Chicago I mean what 'cause I grown to love Chicago I I. It's a real city like its own thing without question and we right downtown. What was neighborhood? Well no no no no grew up in west side of the city which is now related. Talion at the time was a lot of Italian was mixed though. I mean the one kid next door was Mexican here. There was Jewish here. Irish here was mixed up via Then we moved to Cicero for. That's where with high school was just real annoyed. Which is the famous Ralph Capone and all that stuff? It's no one town it's just Wardha Chicago. doggone border yeah And that's where I went to high school and junior college but But I grew up in a west side and west side was It's pretty much. It's pretty pretty depraved. Area Right now no yeah. Fortunately it's it's it's it's pretty much you know about a lot of shootings that go on in Chicago Chicago. Good percentage of my around Hill neighborhood. Yeah and when you were growing up did you know there was not a mob thing when you were growing up was there. I mean well mythology. It's it's not a mythology there was a mob thing but but it wasn't a mob thing. Same way the art politician the democratic machine was was was reality to watching it all coexists that yeah. I mean you always knew there was the there was the local politicians precinct. Captain had dealt with politically right. There was when you talk talk about mob it was low level kind of stuff ner was I. I'd go to the Barber Shop with my dad right and half the time we're guys going in and out they're going into the back room bookie because there's a book each other pets. Yeah and also we had a party line on our phone. Pick it up. Sometimes it's as bedbug there. Go bedbug Odell has met with. I find I was like my uncle and it says no. No no that's that's uncool. He's phone number. You call you get into these things. Going around. Money would change hands. But it wasn't like people weren't getting shot in the street right another L. Capone but it existed. Yeah especially growing up. At CICERO allotted the kids. I went to school with their fathers. Were now you know like how come you wearing Cardigan sweaters at two o'clock in the afternoon on Thursday and my dad's Sawn insurance you know what does he do what he does so. When did you start get involved with the acting I mean like? Did you WanNa do it when you were a kid. Did you like movies when I still don't even really like movies. I love movies. I shouldn't say NAPA is. I'm not like a puff. I don't watch a lot of movies. I don't watch a lot of television so it's not my idea entertained. Were we had to. My head was not in it at all but what it was is it is the guy who really triggered it was. I saw the movie. West side story. Yeah as a kid and when I saw it I thought Oh my God. I'm I'm kind of like this is not like I was living living this life. Or was it. Like in a gang the fighting Puerto Ricans but but yet I was in that urban lifestyle. I lived in an apartment on my life. I lived in a house so I loved the the movie was like a fantasy here. So what happened is I went to high school. I was a junior high school. I gotTa understand me being an actor with might as well said you wanna Martian Shen was early sixty seventy six sixty two sixty and they had signs up in the high school seeing auditions for West side story and I look at the signs ago. What are they talking about casino movie? Maybe eight nine times but what are they talking about and then I asked somebody to go. It's a play. I go to visit plates. A movie go no no. The movie was based on a play. And I'm Theo Healy and I'm thinking. Wow so I got in my head like maybe that would be fun. I love this movie. You know maybe I could do like one departs. Yeah so I I learned song off the record right. I decide to go down and I go down one of the guys. I was playing MORLA. Pay Baseball done. It wasn't a good but I played on a team so I go one at a good good players on the team. We're going to go together because the movie too. We get up to the theater in high school at night. I didn't even know theatre existed. At that time I walk in all these kids. Black right on campus. Yeah right right up in the high school here and there they're wearing leotards and stuff is the theater crowd and it was like watching the people from another planet and Guy Glenn of his name was going so he became a state's attorney or something like that in Chicago. He looks to me goes out. I'm not doing this I'm out. He takes eggs off so now I literally no. Nobody's everybody you came with. These came with 'em out realize this is not for him but I had learned song. I figured figured at least they could do is go through the working. Put the work in so I get up I get onto stage. There's the floodlights are hitting me. footlights you know. It's a little theater but I can't see who's out there and I sing the song and I get to the end. Maria I clapping coming out of the darkness and and it was like nobody had ever clap for anything I had ever done in my life and I know I'm hearing this right so I go. That's it it was like a lightning bolt. Hit me in the chest. I said I gotta I gotTa recapture this moment so so that started it. I mean I. I wound up not getting cast on the plate. What do you mean? And that's a whole other story. While I was year I was in. I was in school a year sooner than I should have. Because my parents changed my birth certificate so I can because my mother can get back to work at Xeres so they changed my birth certificate when I started in kindergarten and never told me till I was sixteen so I had my birthday. I celebrated for sixteen years on the wrong day. So so that's a whole other story but anyway cast me. Because I was too small I was stupid. He liked my hoods putting the ad teacher. Sarah so so bottom line they they saw. I had this interest he says. I want to take a drama class and they put me in the drama class and I never looked back very from literally that day I said to myself this is what I'm GonNa do. I want to do this for living. I had had no plan. B What the hell else am I gonNA do. Yeah you know I mean what. Are you sixteen sixteen but I had no aspirations. I wasn't that good at anything else. Yeah and I wasn't sure I was good at this but I knew I liked it so he just took drama classes and he started started. Doing plays started to do being successful edited in high school and I went to junior college then. I applied for the Goodman School of drama. which was a pretty factually Berman? Went there back. Then it's a pretty became now. It's part of the Paul University back then. It was called the Goodman School of drama and then I tried out for the play hair eighteen sixty nine and got cast and it started my profession. What is the Goodman School of drama? Like what was a famous. I mean it was famous at the Time Act Act. Luckily Chicago had this acting in the art institute in yard incident. I didn't have the money to go there but what I did is I took Student that you can take government loan. Yeah so he applied for a government loan. I got like two grand. Yeah and I paid the eight hundred Bucks Commission and I think I bought my parents television. The rest of the money and lived on and paid rent and you know was living with somebody at the time And we're kind of what they teach you teach you. Well I mean it is. It's like I said now it's called a feeder school share all university. They teach you to basic safety voice control teaching movement. They teach you All the different stuff that we would acting scene study up he studied pretty much touch. You learn as you go I mean professionally fifty years. Now if I ain't got it down by now it's too late. I wanted to play lead fuel for the cubs but I I think that ship has sailed. That's not gonNA happen for it's not gonNA happen. No I just always wonder because I talked to actors and you like it just seems a lot of it is something natural and then like but you you know they they. They do that two years. They do the year whatever and most of the tools they got really SORTA got him grounded in it. That was it. Yeah I've found that as it turned out the the best actors out of that school with ones that usually got kicked out quick. Whatever I go well? We didn't have a lot of big stars. I can tell you the truth true. But as a rule these the ones that would run into working actors serious academic for me. I gotTa go do it. Agai were ones ones that actually did it then went on copy masters degrees somewhere else. They may be they taught and stuff but they didn't necessarily right right. What were you were you working during the school or did you? It was in a band. No Yeah it was a rock band rock band we. We actually did pretty well fact that his day. What did you play? I play Bass. Guitar was the lead singer Bass Guitar. Abass badly yeah. It's bad as I did then good enough to get by well to date. I'm very close to the band Chicago. The those guys because we used to tour with them when they were called missing links. What was your name? What was your fan the Apocryphal? Yeah the drama teacher at my school came up with the name because he he he felt the support me supported my band. Yeah Kinda helped this up so wait so were you playing original songs covering we were good. Cover Ben that's where we never got anywhere. We're late six. Oh mid sick from my we from about sixty sixty four to sixty nine. So you're doing like you know psychedelics. Shit we did whatever you want it. Hey I in other words if it was a place. They wanted psychedelic. We put under Paisley shirts in the MoD stuff at combed hair. That way. If we're going to a black neighborhood we put onto white impatience Bought a Mexico street. Come on do for top really. I swear to God we worse. Paid afraid or do what you want. But that's why that's why I knew we weren't gonNA make it. Because the the guys the missing links they became Chicago right those guys is he knew. Terry Kath Newnham all. We absolutely knew that his Dan owed him of very well. I sang with them about two years ago. Here at the Greek no swear to God he brought me up on stage at the one song for old time sake just great. I love Walter Zenga. Who's just left ban? The Sax player the original guys are still in it today. Yeah I think only three would be Lee Lockley the the the trump Pankov trombone play and in In the keyboard player Bobby Lamb while to just left the sax player but there were four like retired with e. l.. Let me and these guys are all older older than me. And it's like you know there was sort of a resurgence around Terry Guitar Playing Jimi Hendrix. Thought he was the best guitar player Claire He'd ever heard and he was depressive. No not really terry was just Harry was wild. I mean here I am this that whole thing that you know some people say oh we killed himself itself. You didn't kill himself. It was fucking around with an accent. How he took the gun EP? The that was put up to his head. And then yeah yeah whatever. It's terrible but but he was is a he was he was great. And when I when I first met him he wasn't even elite player he was the bass player of been missing links in another guy playing lead but they kicked that guy in his father. Who was the manager that have been out and I started the new group Chicago Chicago which we thought they were nuts for doing because we were playing at a group of a place called the Cheetah? Yeah Kaga which is a very popular club Bryce or at the Cheetah they came to see us on our break and they said hey where we would busted up the ban. We got rid of the lead player in his father. Terry's Aries GonNA play lead now we're brought in keyboard guy and we brought in a trumpet via and we brought in his trombone already had to say they already had Walter. Danny Seraphine the Drummer Elmer here. So we're saying Oh so you'RE GONNA go from four to seven guys that's great. They leaving thinking they're nuts are crazy. Not Guys we're we're trying to find ways to to put a less like Jimi Hendrix. Had just coming out with three guys. We're thinking everybody's every four man was thinking who can we cut out and we can make more know. These guys are up in their band the seventh but needless to say their first album came out. And that's when I knew when I heard that first album with okay. I'm I'm an wrong racket. Rice acting right so they because they were doing this arm beating the original. Stay there but tell you the truth early early in their career. This is not dishonest. Got They would play. I remember this one club called. The Blue Village was the first Popular Club in Westmont Illinois. We were we were not. We work the lack as we were good cover band like I said man you were off this particular Saturday. For whatever reason I get a call from the owner to blue village he says this group Chicago Transit Authority. Not they haven't through album says they're playing refused to play any songs that the kids want the plane all their own crap throwing them out. Can you guys get down here to finish the night night. We did packed up the truck. We went out there and I will never forget to see them. I'm seeing him throwing her stuff in the truck. Anywhere pissed at us wasn't pissed about the the whole thing and we said Oh guys were sorry man these guys they don't know what the hell they're missing. We're thinking yeah we're thinking we're thinking of these idiots just smart enough and start you know. Start Start doing some temptation stuff and you know doing some with the kids. What do the kids? Why come on smart media? That's a warious. So so that's what you were doing what you're going to school. Yeah why did we did well. I actually made a living at it because we worked back then in his sixties a lot not a lot of venues live music was big and it was before disco it was The NFL sixties is way before disco. Yeah so I mean live dance clubs for teenagers. Agers was way the rock and roll. Yeah I mean you could literally we can work every weekend without with the school dances and shit you play. PROMS play school. Dances you play teen eighteen nightclubs. Actually you know just just clubs. What made you hang that up? Well I was doing both for for a long time and we're longtime meaning through junior college two years at the Goodman on the weekends we're open. Yeah but then when I tried out for hair at play hair yeah cast. That was my first professional channel job. got where they offered me the job. No you have to do eight shows a week and you can't let me. He's my weekends any long hair. You're all set. Yeah I had the long hair. Yeah I was. I was halfway there anyway. I wound up letting it really go. What we're all? I started out in the tribe which was basically wanted of course but I worked up to Burger which is one of the lead lead roles and he ended up doing that for a long time. Yeah Yeah and how about a year and a half travelling with it. Yeah I did. We did we played Chicago for over a year year and and a half and then we wow then toured for about actually toured. I would've kept doing but actually that's when my father died while I was on the road I was in Pittsburgh and he died and when I came in for the funeral and I think I just realized and that was and I was the girl who was playing Jeannie at the time in which is the pregnant character in play right. I heard and I were dating at the time and she still. We're still together fifty years later. Were She's my wife really hell. Yeah that that's what we stayed together at insane graduation. Yeah I mean it's one of those freaky things. God blesses you know we love. There's love for you but I but I remember when we came in for my dad's funeral we wait so I took that week off from the plane and when I went back to Pittsburgh I realized that the bloom is off. The rose was just like I have done this play enough. It's just like a year and a half. Yeah it was time to just move on so I quit the play and we've equipped together and then then I got spell shortly after that. Did that. The hair longer play Judas than so it was like you know I I kept thinking. Well where do I go next then Chicago. The Chicago Foulon was God spell on buddy year. Wow Baker theater I guess on some level you get some chops in place. Yes you know you overcome a lot of fear you know no is great. I mean but now I was in fact now I was thinking this is my my career. I'm going to be a musical comedy comedy actor. Jim Dale going to be the guy that goes the Broadway musical right and that's kind of what I thought would happen. Obviously my career took a different turn again. Whoa when did that happen? Well that happened right. After God's Appel one of the guys that was had done here with actor hundred Shields Yeah looks wanted to twenty. Were just this year replace doing now. He was in a group called the organic theater in Chicago. Or Ganthier. Don thanks. I'm happy shit. It was some Hippie Shit. Yeah good people and John Heard was in that Cup John Herds. It's great at John. Heard was in the castaway. Exactly his his sister court is heard was in the company Michelle Taylor Dennis Franz. Oh really we. Paul joined around the same time at that time. You heard and Franz we're in it together yeah cha what's Franz up to France. I talked to him he's he's he's golfing. Basically what he's up to God bless him he did the as many as twelve thirteen years on. NYPD the date at that show Rathi craft said goodnight calabash. Wherever you are? I'll be on the golf course and God bless them beds. Dennis he he. He's done so he's good he's up. He's got three grandchildren he lives. He's living the life with smart with his money as the showed up in a couple of things tame so he did nothing after you put nothing. I couldn't if I offered him then. Please do thirty seconds with me for a million dollars. You say no. I don't get it anymore. That's Dennis Dun Dun God bless th I mean if I had to pick three guys in the world to watch my back at the Vietnam vet combat vets. He's one those guys is deep deeper than you think you know know. It's I could see that just by that character. Yeah I mean you could feel all of it so like so you show up at organic theater and you you and hard and Franz if you kind of get at the same time. He came in and we're all ready been there and then actually he then he left shortly thereafter because he had been in his play call warp that closed the New York. The organic came back to Chicago and regrouped so John left then as Franz and I estimated Russia Vietnam almost pretty much because yeah yeah exactly right because he probably was out of Vietnam and about seventy one seventy two seventy three. Oh Yeah so you must have been intense as fuck he you know He. Yes and no the dentist though because Dennis was very good at kind of keeping it all into rap and the only one I would press him and I and I did no no no. I'm in life just talked about it said Dennis this tell me a little about then. Reluctantly he would tell me. Then I realized okay. I don't want to even go into this. This would not because I could see. It's uncomfortable for him. It's not a happy happy part of his life but God bless he's he's he's an does this gal to collect Hummel dog dolls flight that on the other hand. He's he's he's sweetheart. Yeah it's a real sweetheart. I love him to death. I'm glad to hear he's doing all right now. He's doing great he's doing. So what happens. It organic organic did five years organic and it was a wonderful time because as we did we did. We did new stuff that we created stuff we did. Kurt Vonnegut SR before Steppenwolf like years before this was a few years before they were kids on the block came in. Yeah I got to know them all very well as well very close to all all of them which is ironic. Because the the played the Lenny Bruce play directors playing right across from the year. You friends friends with the original crew. That four or five very much. Gary Garrison Closed Laurie Metcalf Joan Allen Malkovich all of very close down. Oh Yeah Yeah Said Yeah no no. He was a great guy. I Bet Gary I'm Gary we've been hosted National Memorial Day concert together. I've been we my nineteenth year. Don't it housed in the National Memorial Day concert. Yeah Washington the because he and I were both We do a lot for the military. Especially Gary I'm one of his ambassador he's like I mean he picked up where Bob hope left off. The ads does so much for the military anyway. but yet he organic was back then. Early early Seventies in Chicago. Maybe they'd been kicked out of University of Wisconsin. Awesome because Pete Stewart Gordon who who created there he had done this like nude version of Peter Pan and the campus was wasn't but I think tiger lily was new and kids. Kids came with their parents very experimental. But we did all this original stuff ahead we did. We did the book of Huckleberry Finn Parts One and two. We did the entire book based just on Mark Twain Dialing. Yeah Yeah we did. Original plays like COPs Bloody best pirate play and then a play conceived Cau- bleacher bums which is about the people who sit in the bleachers at Wrigley field when a cubs were terrible and that became actually very successful. We did that off Broadway and to this date. They toured all around please. You're still going. Yeah Yeah I mean you know as as a big summer stock show and he wrote it I conceived it and Co wrote it with the original cast so you guys still get a little little scratch a couple of hundred dollars hours every six months or something like that. Gray's up with all of us but it's great. Is that the only way he wrote fat. Playwright I came up with the idea. I had this idea because I used to sit in the bleachers at Wrigley Field and used to look around me. There's more this this this is more entertaining than the game. And then it Kinda sucked at the right and I thought what's going on in bleachers with the gambling and it is in the girls up and it became a very Actually I mean finally I must have been a local phenomenon and it just was it had legs right. Yeah Yeah Yeah Oh yeah no. It's it's not where they play it. I you know checks residual check them all over. You Know Samuel French. The pro will send me the checks in the list where it's been done it'll be you know. Army bases in Guam will the summertime. Because it's fun comedy yet. It's very lighthearted. So you are three you get a lot more chops. They're we're doing the intimate theatre. I guess musical exactly putting your your heart on the right on the line. We'll do a lot of experimental stuff in and luckily for me David Mamat the writer was kind of doing the same thing in Chicago at the same time with the with the group called the Was the was the Wisdom Bridge Theatre Levy was called and I talked to him. You know are you which is an accomplishment and itself you. Don't talk to everybody. Did all right you know. I kind of steered him. Yeah he can see you with him. I'm getting along. No we did fly just like he's one of those guys. He wants to push some buttons. And I wasn't GonNa let him be able to keep track all right. Yeah go for you. Because he's I know his little gives you can just see I know I'm a Jew. I I know that kind of you. Yeah so you know. He's coming at me with that seven. I know what you're doing now going to. Ah That's Nice I can see you get along. I really could not number. He's like I should have his picture hanging over my bed because he's been like he's the Guy He's been my guy I mean as it turned out. So what happens to your Ganic. And he's at this what the WH- what was it was called a Saint Nicholas Theater Gripe but he went on to do the Atlantic but this is way before before landing. So what happens when you're Mamat well. What happens is he's struggling playwright the struggling actor and he saw me through a this one production? It was wonderful ice cream ray. Bradbury show was pretty successful at the time. It's the nineteen. We're talking to something seventy-three wow now we see. Now let me ask you because back then because you know. He's a guy he's he's a whatever fancies himself he does say we were all democrats once. But you know he seems to have shifted into this character is an older man with with a lot of swagger and a Lotta Al fitness but it seems like back then. He wasn't quite that was no. I don't think any of us were of course political. Look I did hair. You're in the sixties and softer guy. He was I think he I definitely think he was but he'd have to be the I can't speak for him but whatever but yeah but yeah thank. When I first met him? I can remember people often ask me. How did you first meet David? Because you had long relationship as I recall I was coming to Goodman's theater. Go say this was like at school at the school I this. ABC Teachers Right. Yeah Yeah and and and you have to go down these long stairs because it was at the artist which is below ground right over an Michigan Avenue. So I'm coming down and I see this guy coming up and it was fairly nattily dressed. I remember he can scarf right scarf coat at looking sharp dressed like I would any stops me he goes. Hey I saw you play you in ice cream suit. I really thought I'm a playwright I love you and I will have to work together. There's some time on thinking. Yeah great are you right and Sherpao turns out. Yeah he writes this play sexual perversity in Chicago Chirp out. He goes to the organic and store. Gordon who was are producing loved play and decided. Yeah we'll do it now. This was at the summertime when our hard normal season at the organic was over during the summer. Everybody go do what they needed to do but they they they had enough money to just mount this place take much money I had been hired. It'd be the understudy study for Lenny and Julian. Berries play Lenny which is going to be at a legit theater in Chicago so I was going to be making like three hundred a week. As opposed to seventy five dollars with organic organic so they asked Cousteau. Ma'am wanted me to play the one part in it but I said again I didn't know how he was but I'm saying he was nobody right but I like the play read any when I like Kipa am make it three hundred under studying so to this day so find a local. My regrets like I could have done to. We'll raise your right Eh. It I mean it only. It did what it did went on you know. Nothing came of that particular production but still I would like to have done it as his first big one for me will but thank God. He didn't forget me here. Because then what happened is a life in the theatre which is another one of his players. Yeah the world premiere of that. He came to me to Chicago with Mike. Nussbaum was another one of the actors who worked with Emily. WHO's now in his nineties Still working in Chicago He took two hander and he asked us to do it and we did and so Mike and I did. The World Premiere era of that and a day would always call me to do whenever there was Like the the library would want him to do excerpts of some of his stuff special because now in New York his stuff was starting starting to get some direct was he directing no he wasn't directing just directed great mosier. Oh Oh you would. He did Glengarry a lot of stuff life of theater they Glenn Gregory. Did I think he did the movie too. He did American buffalo floor. I think he did But different people would direct to stuff So okay so he does you do those two boys with him and then he moved to New York. Yeah yeah his all of a sudden he all of a sudden he's trying to get some attention in New York life in the theater off Broadway as well right and the American Buffalo Robert Duvall does well. Well he was teaching the original. Yes he was the original run at the vault. Ato Pacino did later so by now David was getting a Rep. Yeah sure so anyway. Anyway I meantime I've moved to California. I came out here why well I've gone to S- I'd go we we Ganic Theater. We were out California. We came out here and like late fall early winter and I saw what the weather was like. And I'd already been to Italy on a European tour with your Ganic and I'm thinking you know what I've done which I'm I'm Mike Chromosomes our Mediterranean. I'm not staying right so I convinced my wife. We should just come out here and even four now working with at the beach yet. So so we're out here for a little while. I'm doing this that we don't play Dennis Franz and I- Michelle. WE RE MONITOR PRODUCTION OF COPS from out here with the bleacher bums out here. Bleacher bums ran out here for ten years. Wow who's one of the longest running waiver plays in La History. It's crazy. I ran for ten from nineteen eighty to nineteen ninety. Ran Out here anyway so I did it but I did about a year and a half hour or but anyway do a movies you doing. TV or do you may know a little bit parts. Yeah do a little bit here winds. Let's hear Sopa. Did the show soap eight episodes of shows so playing one one played Gregory Sierra Sidekick. That's great you know. He's a little bit was fun. I I was doing alright. I was making it You know you'd make you'd work. You'd go on unemployment you know then give the job back in one. You do a little bit parts on a little exactly but then I get the call from him saying look I wrote. This play. Looks like they're going to hopefully take it to Broadway. We're GONNA open it in Chicago at the Goodman. I'd like you to play his apart then. Unknown it's all. He told me sending the script so I'm living out here in one bedroom apartment. My wife says me descrip- I look at it. It's all about real estate and Gary. Yeah I don't know Dick about real because I never lived in a house right to this. I mean at that point in my life until the first house I lived there was the one I bought a now ultimately. Well I've gone through so few cents. My first one was it so I didn't understand it leads and so I read it and I didn't quite understand stand so he calls me the next day goes. What did you think play so I lied and said Oh you know Dave? I didn't really get to it yet. I'm GonNa read it definitely today to find out what this is about so I call on up guys like so what we know what to lead this. You know mortgage what's escrow. What the hell is this stuff? So now I start to figure out what grownups that you know. Yeah exactly exactly exactly so now. We got a general idea what he's talking about so then. I think wh I look at my wife. So what are we going to lose here. Let's go it's nothing else. It's a free trip to Chicago. Hang out officials of flop family. See the family so we go to Chicago. boom-boom reading which guide you play Ricky Roma Oma. Oh Yeah you know the guy let guys slick guy so I did. That would do it in Chicago. It's great part for you. Well I mean always telling you know well I figured it out because we get to New York next thing. I know I get nominated for a Tony Award. I win the Tony Award. The play wins the a Pulitzer Prize and so in one swell Fu p- my career my fifteen years of like that goes co Bom home. I get skyrocketed up here. Yeah and that's that's Attaboy by ten at mammoth hanging over my bed. Thank Ma'am and everything but titus guys been nothing but honest with me straight shooter. Because because he's so here I'm doing his part. Now I do it on Broadway for air. We tore it and I go toward for six months with Peter. Falk Play Shelly. AVENA detour Grays that part and we had a great time tour distilling Teen Peter faulk. You got the known how we were like this. I I got him a star. That's another got him as star on the Hollywood walk of fame how we really gave the speech forum. I had to put. Its next to mine. I had him put it next to mine because he'd never gotten. They offered it to him back years ago but Peter was that guy like added you know what I mean. He he never bothered. You GotTa follow through you got to pick the day you gotta go. Oh Shit so when he died and I was one of the last people wife only allow allowed me and maybe one other person to see him he entered the end. Yeah yeah we were that close. What do you have he? He started to get Alzheimer's dementia. And and and and and there was some talk that it would have been hit hit hits a dental work done and the anesthesia really. He was never really the same after now. Because I'm on really quick but anyway I loved him to death he's great. I just loved him to death. The great human being but we we did that. Play together So now I've done. I've done a Plano on Broadway. Six months touring with Peter. While I'm on tour with Peter Ma'am Emmett comes to my dressing room on the road and his Karen Hughes to carry mail back like a mail sack stuff in it. Yeah he says I will tell you something. He was always always blunt as you probably ably realize you wonder if he doesn't beat around Thais someone just had a meeting today. They're making a movie glengarry. Glen Ross you ain't doing it up Chino's Chino's already attached now you gotta understand Pacino have been offered to play before I was Turned down because back then it was a new play like going and I think they offered it to Deniro next sixty. He turned it down for the same reason. Thank God mammoth back. Then said to the producers. We're going through every well known Italian guy in Hollywood new I get my picks. And that's why we we all know name guys in that original Broadway. Yeah Anyway so night tells me you're not doing a movie and I'm like Okay Dave. We know Carol channing didn't do Hello Dolly either I get it right but he reached in his mailbag and pulled out to scripts and was a movie. Think Haussa Games. Oh yeah and what was the the move things change and laid them on my dressing room table. He said I won't make these two movies without you and those are both lead roles. Why and what do you say of course the time? I didn't know that was going to do them did to him. But we wound up of course doing them. But what do you say like thank you and it's like wow that's the king dimensions Zimmi. How how can you be like? I'm I'm GONNA give you a bad news. But here's the good news My mind made more than made up for it. I would love to of course the on the movie glengarry Harry but You know a swag triples interesting because you know I don't. I wonder like because the movie glengarry Glen Ross was a pretty big movie yeah right But like those other two movies they must have been about the same really in terms of popularity right but I wasn't Al Pacino. You know I get it but I'm saying that like all in all even out. How would you trade doing that movie for those other two movies I wouldn't have games to me was dirty? Done that guy. Yeah and these you guys know new guys in House of Games actually. Is that films like a cult film. I mean in Europe in France. They talk about they. They run that movie every once in a while in the movie theaters that was you was UNC. Krause and Ricky Jay Z and Ricky Jay's in it. He's Gone Tuna. I know. Yeah it was at his memorial service Yeah it was a great movie. It was real clever movie and it was amendment was different. Yeah he directed it to direct knows the first thing he directed. Now let me ask you something. Because he said something earlier on the page on the stage I was at a mammoth. No no no no. I don't think so. Did you learn anything from him because like I always like in there was always some very interesting approach theater and I talked to him about it because I'm not sure I agree with it but I understand what you're saying because then necessarily agree with a lot of what he says either because what he's saying and at least from my opinion it's true because only because it applies to him so in other words when he says something I gotTa do is say the words right. Yeah and you're in your case that's probably true. Because you're you're a master mask of writing the words right Lotta guys. They'll write that good. Yeah so you gotta sometimes going to massage that or finesse. That hopefully bring something more to the dance. I talked about it. Mike Feeling was. Is that the the idea. was anybody can do this. You know you just read. Just do the word. Yeah yeah no no. Yeah No. It's not there's more than that but yeah but I think what if he cast that right though I think it may be. He's not any you know. No I just I remember. He had this the school and I I my first wife was in the school. You know I read his books. I and I like you know and the Atlantic is what I'm talking about is there is. Is it just gifted in the matters like whether you go by the system or not if you can act you can activate his former writing. There's no room for Improv. Awards other sorts of different ball game than even working with like the movies are woody Allen for Barry Levinson but both of them are give you a little more room absolutely really they give you all the room in the world fat really pretty much like so like you you're honoring the play right vision here and that's the job well An effect I remember Woody Allen's case I was doing his movie and I was so used to work for Mamat where it's like. It's a composer at some guys right. The music doc plays plate right the notes you know other guys will say okay. This is the score. Feel free to to you know. Yeah Drew Joke Barada so doing I I. I did Woody Allen. Alice was the first and it was one of the first days on it. Yeah and all I wanted to do is I saw it online line and it was like something like I cannot and I wanted to see. I can't so I said the woody assume look Kelly citizen. I came out you might if I can't like he looked like I. It was like nuts care. You know of course you went too far. He'd say go back to right but it made me realize okay. It's not everybody's nobody's rhino right. This very Levinson. He would let me do what movies act. I did a couple I did. A bugsy and I did Liberty Heights. Oh he did Bugsy uh-huh wow wonderful director and now as Warren Beatty. Bugsy we're babies play George Raft. Oh that's right the actor. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah Yeah Yeah. That was a good good movie. I think I thought it was a great movie. Are you friends with David L.. Mamat yeah over close. Yeah Yeah Oh yeah. He gave my when I got my star on the Hollywood walk of fame. He he gave the speech. which for me along with the three stammering general? Ed Do it because I want. I wanted to balance out my kind of connection with marine buddy years. Yeah because you didn't worry in in the military no I wasn't but but but but I kinda nothing I feel guilty about. It dodged that bullet because they had a high draft number now more and then A lot of family was in the military and Once he started doing it Memorial Day concert A lot of its came home to me. Because I've I've been a lot of military hospitals visit a lot of these guys and I think Jesus you know when I was twenty I had two legs two arms to Eiser and I've I've lived a pretty good life. Somebody's what he's guys fought in conflicts. That people have forgotten. I worry were there and yet these guys gotta live like the rest of their life and you know that that's yeah. Yeah so that's what that was about. Well that's a good that you do that services do so everybody's got a hot button. You know whatever it may be so now. I mean you've been in a million movies when you were coming over here like I realized that like one of those guys that's sort of been ever-present seemingly my entire life. Yeah well yes. What episode those those years that clicking by it's sort of astounding you you've done big movies Deng little movie You keep working you know to me it so it's a blue collar job being an actor never for me it is I mean I look? I don't mean Cranston Cranston. He feels that we sort of America. Five read something in a like it could bring something to it or register something like yeah. Let me let me see if it might be fun to do this. How many weeks where where is it? Yeah upshot films in Europe that when the agent says it got this offer to his film in Italy I go great. I'll read it on a plane. I said yes it before. I even heard the title was really well. It's you know how bad could it be. Who cares you know what I mean literally probably five movies in Italy? I think I've seen three of them and any other two. I don't even know the titles of cares. Yeah yeah so that's really the experience up time so you know not. Everybody feels that way. Some people manage your career like it's got the garden. Well God bless them. You Know I. That's not me you know what I mean for me. I look over here for the door opens. I'll tell walk through it closed. Let me see if there's an open door over here right so it really is about like how much time. Where's it going to be? Yeah I mean you hope you don't WanNa hopefully do stuff that you're gonna be embarrassed about of course but but you don't find out sometimes you don't know that the later because you see the finished product and go. Oh Jesus what was I thinking right but then but then you have to say to yourself wait a minute. At the time. I made that decision. It seemed like a good idea right. Whatever reason you've worked with big guy work with big director auto biggest Coppola worked with Gopal of the one one godfather that elderly like well? You know what's ironic. Go with that when I meet. Some young people are saying young people being anybody anybody under forties young people right. Those who are in one grow up with the godfather tree and maybe just seat them randomly now to order. I'll have people under twenty or thirty. Say to me. Hey man yeah. I finally got around to see them godfather movies and number three. That's my favorite. I'm figuring really. Wow No good. It's like okay. Because they're they're coming at it. Maybe from another angled coming at it from without any preconception of knowing how great those first two were and there was an eighteen year gap and a lot of expectation. What what was it? What what was it? Ah The scene around that. Yeah I mean how what was the casting feeling the whole immune a Lotta strange things about you know. When owner rider was originally under film and then she dropped out like last Seco- Sophia's peninsula caused so come into it? And I and I. I don't doubt that a lot of it had to do with Francis also going still going through through a period of grieving over the death of Sun. Yeah I mean I know that's true and so in a way I think for him. It was a time of bringing his whole family together because in Italy there was his mother was there his father was there his his his niece's never his son his his other son. Yeah his now. His daughter was visiting from art school. Cool so it was almost like it seemed like serendipitous that all this kind of it became almost like a movie itself family over the real. He's he's always been bigger on that for you. Thank God bless to me he. He's entitled to it. He's sure in three wants if that's the way he wanted it to be then so be it. He's the that's that's what those are the times when it does cross over it is an art form. And he's like and he is the artist in the movie. The director is The buck stops with that guy. I mean it's so his vision you know takes the you know what happened to the movie. I don't know I mean it is. It is what it is I mean I just think I think perhaps in many ways expectations. We're here we're so high. There was no possible way. You'RE GONNA equal it equal people's expectations Ajakaiye Age Michael Pacino. At that point I mean did all right but it was nebulous thing and also you know Robert Divall was in it up until a couple weeks before we started shooting he when he and I mean huge in it but they couldn't make the deal and and I mean part of it was Do the volleyed won the best actor like the year before something and I think basically were offered short cash and I think his attitude was wait a minute I should be right up there right right and so for whatever reason the sided not to do it and you. Can't you within a few weeks of shooting at Kent. All of a sudden major or scrip explains a lot. I mean that explains a lot but it's okay my feeling is it. It is what it is and so it holds up as part of the that you know part three of that trilogy and who. I don't think there'll be a fourth one but you never could be. Yeah I guess but like you but you do like. It's so amazing because you do you'll do TV movies. Do all the movies Dean Martin. I love the end up doing well. The thing is I don't care about the the venue feeling. Is it all first of all winds up on. Somebody's phone anyway ultimately. Yeah so I mean what the hell do I care I mean back then it was a big deal when I first started in a business. You're either a stage actor TV actor or movie right now never to Twain shall meet right. Now it's all over the place and most of your big movie stars came out of probably streaming or from. Well it's true. I mean you know think about it. All the big stars are still are got that way because the the little boys and girls I me neons although I mean they created them. I mean even you talk about Johnny Depp. In those guys like that They started into little bits on TV and stuff like that that would have. I've never happened back out. Twenty one jump street like Johnny Depp. Yeah I'm just saying that young people create who they want to be stars in and they can get it off Over showed. It's maybe you see what's happening with streaming though so But there's some guys like Brad Pitt was on a lot of guys started on TV back in the day and made the graduation. I see what you're saying like there's a whole world of actors. I don't know who they are and the kids who they are. Oh absolutely that's just the way time works no no and it. All the social media has made it so like depending on how many followers you have. You have power all I WANNA do is get off of it now. I'm on it and then he once you get on and you figure it out. I mean I'm fifty six and and I'm like all right I I fought to find a place on it but now Mike Iowa no I know I don't look at it I mean I I I keep it up because there was a guy who was impersonating me because I didn't know which one what do you do twitter. I don't look at my assistant. Does twitter does instagram. I guess we have facebook. I probably have them all. I don't I really don't do them. I hours I e mail in a call. People can do it so I can hand taxing textile. You got kids. You got to hear from me I'd never hear from them but The other thing is I think it's okay. I mean social media's become this too but what I don't like about it is is everybody like an equal voice and it used to be. You're the earned that you know. It makes us all very accessible. Yeah and so. It's like yet but I had to get it because the guy was impersonating me really cost me money to get him off. In other words he he had opened on twitter order. Whatever it was the way we came up to me says he had donated to your charity? Charity goes the one online the facebook bosses. I don't have that and yeah I turned down. A guy was sick because I hadn't gotten it. He created and how'd you get someone he's somebody to get it off and make money and the the the verified one. Yeah right right. Did the guy get punished. No no he just mentioned he scam. I have no idea because I don't know how long it lasts very long. Yeah but my sister who's been with before nineteen years. He's very good. And so at least what we we use it as a form to just be able to inform like hey cruel minds is going to be back on Blah Blah Blah Blah or get military early on this date. The everyday personally had not at all. I'm not saying oh by the way I had like a sandwich this morning. And Yeah and my dog just stuff makes me. I can't even the no that that's right but also people have sex with that day the attached to the narcissism that we all have. And then it's your whole day. You put some people responding to put another up. You see how they responded echo over to the platform you put something that's going on. It's like half your day and on and I really look. I'm in a public profession. I don't shun anybody and that's the one thing I will go out on the street. People see me. Hey Joe I picture you must be that Guy People love love you. They must know what it's harder to say. No from eating this Chikomo take a picture. You GotTa do agree with you and you know. Put your collar up with sunglasses. Pretend somebody please you know reading or something with somebody belongs politely. You're sitting. They're eating just one. They stick their head in May because they've seen so many characters I played figure. Maybe he's not a good idea too far but But yeah no for ninety nine point. Nine percent of the people are very polite and look without them. I don't you know I don't have a life. I live in a pretty good life. Yeah for sure now. Okay so this in fifteen years on a show buddy along you on it I was on thirteen. Surveys of the shows fifteen seasons so this thirteenth year. And this is the end of it is the end of it. We shot the lousy August. It's January eighth will start the first of the ten David Rossi Rossi now. Has I mean how does that feel I mean and is this a sad thing. Well I mean it's bittersweet I mean because you first of all we all really liked each other especially at the the last eight of us that we're together. Yeah I really had a really gel. We really had a nice thing going every I really got along. We hadn't some that have been a long time. Some there were new nice mix and It so is somewhat bittersweet but look I kid myself like I've been like I say newness for fifty years so I if nothing else you know the the businesses transitory it's like nothing last forever ever right and this one happened less a lot longer than and I look. I've been fat Tony Simpson's for thirty years so that's my longest running role in. That must like still doing it I do. I'm doing one next week. But so like just on a residual situation. You're doing good enough enough from the Simpson. Simpson my residuals. I can take you to lunch. Big really really well. That's because I'm I'm not one of the best main guy right but I I love the character. Yeah and they. They've they've treated me. Well they right well for my character two or three episodes so yeah it's fun and and I think the say I've done the most guess shots of any of the characters fried and that was one. Where are you? Oh Great Yeah and I interviewed crusty okay great. Next week I'm GONNA say gotta get one back with us together. I mean you fat Tony Have Arcnord pockets. Nadkarni it'd be great exactly yeah but You know thirteen seasons was I. I Love I'm doing it. And if they if they were told me looking to do more I would have done more and not linked. It wasn't like Oh man my gladys's over I'm tired of it but on the other hand I it's it's over and it's time for the two hour premiere the premier's two hours and it will do an single our up until the final two episodes in. It'll be two hour finale. Oh wild time and and it's good season you like it. Yeah we shot it all. It's nice as we. We finished like in March. And so I don't even remember. It was going to be new to me like. Oh Oh yes I you know I. I'm sort of new to it but like I did a series on Netflix for called glow. And like you know you get done shooting it. And and he did all ten episodes and I'm like remember what I don't know what it was about. And then he comes on. You're like Oh yeah those the public author the some there are some people who are so into into it and and and our fan base criminal minds is if anything. It's even bigger internationally. Oh yeah because there's less product for them right. Don't get everything right with the the things that they they. They gravitate to do big way so like when they sent us out for publicity tours like all over world yeah. I've been like France Germany Italy and Monaco and I remember in France. One poll of writer comes up to me. Because you have any idea how popular you are in front was number one show in in front of Mike really this season nine okay. Great Big Big in France. Yeah did you find that you when you go to France to people I yeah well you so you find it wherever I mean. I'll be on what on the street in Venice or whatever and somebody was David runcie whatever like mostly the what they recommend you for now. Yeah but it depends if if I see a guy that looks a little whacked out. It's going to be it probably airheads update or it might be. Somebody is certain aides. I grew up watching baby's day out. We watched it with my my dad and mom for came times or could be offensive to hips a guy like my age. Maybe the Martin I love it. It depends on it depends on the crowd but and Godfather to you'll get a lot of Joey's so so it really depends but criminal minds. Probably give me the most most facetime even Simpson's fat Tony. So they know that I am that voice cmih. I've had one guy run up to me. Lift up his shirt take got fed to huge GONNA make sure this guy's not foaming. Yeah that's the way and you're not stopping You know what we're GONNA do golf like Franz. I can't do that. Yeah he loves it he off I do. I actually do a member of look of a of a golf club in but I don't play. I probably eat there more than a golf there but I enjoy. It's a nice way to just get out being you know. I've never really tried. Yeah it's it's it's it's frustrating. I mean thank God I don't take it seriously now. What about directing? I liked directing effect. I'm supposed to direct this film in next spring which is very interesting. Because it's it's. It's a comedy based on when Frank Sinatra Junior was kidnapped. Oh yes it's comedy in the sense that it's a black comedy it's absurd because even though it's based he's on a true story it was kind of absurd. The Guy who did it were like nuts. Yeah right well wacky and it seems to be is of them. It's kind of cool and it's actually. It's not this respectful to junior or senior in the sense that it shows that there was a little tension between the two of them of course but in a way. There's a sweetness about it how it gets. It's resolved so really liked the script so they came to me because directed. I drank only nine episodes of Criminal Minds Elsa Directed Amendment play into a movie collect boat chops. I got some L.. I like to think I do and I felt good about. The episodes directed a criminal minds. Yeah and enough producers. I mean I didn't seek this out. They came to me. And so we we think you'd Right Guy for this movie and I and I read the script I said Yeah and then I shot a pilot for Amazon And the reason I like that is I have two daughter you direct it. I know I'm acting it okay. But it's it's it's it's tentative tile. It's already running in Israel. It's behead run in Israel call on the spectrum and it's about these three young people who are all on the autism spectrum. I live together. It's based on an Israeli show. Yeah what you're saying. Yeah and but Jason Keta GMS wrote it. uh-huh who's created parenthood and create Friday. Night Lights Wonderful Right. Yeah and I read the script night. My oldest daughter has autism thirty two so when I read the script I just thought it was a beautiful prescriptively. Thought it was great because it's got humor. Yeah but it's trauma to it's like it's like you think it a good doctor which I think is good show but but they don't people on spectrum action. Don't all become surgeons. You know what happens to the ones that are just like having their life right and that's what this is kind of about. Ach Sweet and so I I did that pilot. So we're GONNA wait to hear that gets picked up any play. The father I play the father of the lead. The lead boy. Oh so at some cost your heart and very close to my heart and it's something that brings whoa awareness very much so and also all the people. Many of the people involved are on the spectrum styles they reached out to me about perhaps having my daughter work in a makeup department apartment because she actually has a strong interest in actually went to make up school at the Graz ago So I mean they're sensitive to that. I like the whole. You know everything about an alleged Jason Jason very much. He's a gentleman and I know he has son on the spectrum and and so everything seemed right about it so she got trust your gut feeling that sounds great. It does go in and you know who knows what I do. I will man deal. I'm sure you'll do something. Yeah it was great talking to you. Same here bursting. So he told him to get naked at the beginning. That's what we can expect. I told you I want you naked on a toilet and then we we opened a play. You open up your guy. Well well he he's dead. He opens up his eyes. Looks in the audience who says I was found dead making him a toilet in one thousand nine hundred dollars before we get to that then we start to play and then he gets address and it starts getting dressed as as it gets starts talking about. That's all you got to say. I used to you say hi to that guy. We'll try to figure it out. Yeah please do thanks. Thanks Joe Thank you. That's it that's our show case show Joe Show Criminal minds is on fifteenth and final season and airs Wednesday nights and streaming on. CBS All access and the two hour. Series finale is on February nineteenth. That's when it airs. I guess you go to a chiropractor. I don't know I think falling apart. I'm sorry I have a cold. I'm sorry okay sounds stuffed up. I'm sorry from discombobulated I'll be back on top of it shortly I'll probably talk to you from Atlanta next go to WTI pod dot com slash. Two Or. All of my tour dates. Okay you can do that can now. I will play some echoey. Somewhat breath sub Saharan flavored flavored music is. Is that the word. I want dome our lives.

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Episode 1086 - Brad Pitt & Leonardo DiCaprio

WTF with Marc Maron Podcast

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Episode 1086 - Brad Pitt & Leonardo DiCaprio

"Hey folks how are you. How about some tour dates coming at you? How would that be Thursday? January thirtieth Cleveland. Ohio at the Agora Theater Friday January thirty first I Grand Rapids Michigan at the Fountain Street. Church Saturday February first Milwaukee Wisconsin at the Turner Hall Ballroom. Friday February Fourteenth Orlando Endo Florida at hard rock. Live Saturday February Fifteenth Tampa Florida at Distress Center Thursday February Twenty Portland Maine State Date Theater Friday February Twenty First Providence Rhode Island Columbus Theatre. Saturday February twenty-second New Haven Connecticut. At College Street Music Hall and Sunday February Twenty Third Huntington New York at the paramount. These are my dates for the freezing your ass off leg of the. Hey there's more more tour I'll be doing these days with Dean del Rey. You can go to W. pod dot com slash tour for links to all the venues alright who've move man New Year's How's it going all right? Let's do the show all right. Let's do this. How are you what the fuck? What the fuck buddies? What the Fuck Knicks? What's happening it's twenty twenty? My Name's Marc Maron. This is my podcast. WPF welcome to it. It's the new year this is really. I believe. Probably the official. I show the New Year in the sense that we're all back from vacation right. I mean it got a little crazy vacation. It gets a little between Thanksgiving and unlike today I don't even gets to a point. I don't even know what fucking day it is. I don't know what meals I've eaten. I'm not sure you know what I should be looking for on television. I don't when it's time to wake up when it's time to go to bed. It gets a little foggy not sure what I have yesterday. I had no fucking idea. I know idea like on Saturday. I didn't know what Saturday what day is today. It's Monday right. Fuck Man I. I'm not saying I'm happy. Vacation is over but I kind of am things. Get Weird things. They slow down on the garbage. Pickup gets weird. I I don't know I'm focusing on minutiae here but yeah so here we are this. Is it back to work big show today. Let's let's not go crazy all right. Let's not go crazy today. I have Leonardo DiCaprio and Brad Pitt on the show. I talked talk to them in a green room at the arclight theatre in Hollywood California. That was where it could go down the package. Deal pit into Capito Rio. We took the package offsite. I had to go off site with the equipment. I'll get into that in a minute. I have some emails here and this is on the up. The up note is the good stuff breath you know there is there is hope there is personal growth. There is the there are leaves to be turned over. And I hope you're all heading into the new new a year with some I don't know if I would say optimism but with you know some clarity nice I got this email from somebody. Thanks for getting me into Rehab. Mr Mary My name is Matt. And I'm an addict with almost four months clean. I'm currently watching season. Four of Merrin in a sober house in the suburbs of Kansas City. Not that I would expect expect you to remember but we actually met a few years back when you played the Midland theatre here. I was working at the grocery store across the street. We talked briefly before and then again after the show Joe. I hadn't listened to the podcast in a while but I happened to pick out the episode where you talked about getting twenty years untold your story. It's not like I checked myself in right Dan. I did carry your story around with me for a while after that though your openness about working the program made it easier for me to buy in and I haven't looked back since so thank thank you. I hope this might make its way to you and that. Maybe I'll see you here again at some point Matt Mack. Congratulations man. Congratulations at the a big deal. And I hear about this stuff a lot and just so i. Yeah there's so many things that are out of our control and drinking is one of those things that's out of your control and if if I can be of any assistance and helping you you know even get a day reprieve of a problem. fucking drinking or reader Peter Crank or dope or whatever it is if I can help you get a day so you can get a little bit of clarity. I feel I feel humbled and happy to do that. On average people a burglary happens once every twenty three seconds in the United States and a big reason it's so communist because only one in five homes have home security. That's probably because most companies don't make it easy well not simply safe. SIMPLISAFE is comprehensive professional home security security at a fair price and they've extended their holiday savings. 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I can't comment on them but I do know that the guys I'm about talk to you that you're going to hear me talk to her both nominated for them For Best Actor and best supporting actor I believe for once upon a time in Hollywood now the way this unfolded holded folks. We get pitched people. We get opportunities we work with a booking agency. And I've I've talked to Brad pit here and there. He's a fan of mine and I'm flattered and honored You know because I have a great deal respect for the for that dude's craft after his performances and his talent. And it's nice when somebody that you respect Likes your shit but he sort of oddly a little obsessed with my a TV show with Maron now with glow with Merrin from IFC. which is on Netflix? Here in America all four seasons but it will be taken off net flicks six and a few days I think on the twelfth or thirteenth. I don't know why just the way life works. But the last time I saw him he'd watched the entire series twice. So so. It's kind of exciting when I get to see him again in what he has to say when we meet it this time now. I've never met Leonardo di Caprio. I was excited now. Here's the deal. I think this might be the last one I do like this because I the anxiety level is high and I know that it's something you heard me make a big deal out of some of the problems. I have with my equipment during the John Two zero episode. But you didn't really hear them because my producer Brendan McDonald's genius but I do get a tremendous amount of anxiety and I'm already anxious going into these conversations. Even though I've done thousand plus of them I never really know what's going to happen and it causes me some anxiety. I'm excited but I don't really know I would say ninety nine point nine. I would say ninety eight percent of the time heading into a talk. I'm anxious I'm nervous. I'm I don't know you know what's going to happen. I I have to I meditate on how to approach it you know. How am I gonNa you know? What's what's the through line in my mind? What what can I lock into to start the conversation? I don't know these things and it doesn't it hasn't gotten any better after a thousand however many episodes so when I go out with the equipment and this I'd bring it with me In case I have to do intros or the ads from the road then sometimes obviously heard me. Do you know interviews on the road but yeah identity. It's one other level of anxiety is function you know working that equipment. It will the Mike's hold up. We'll the wires work with. Can I get the levels right so I and I'm not a sound engineer. So that causes another level of anxiety and okay okay. I'll cop to it there. There were a couple issues. It's interesting When they walk in and you'll here it? Yeah they're all jacked up because they just got done doing a panel in front of a bunch of people. And I know what that feels like. I've been in that in the room that recorded I've been in the room three three times For Sag panels for glow. I've I've been in that room waiting to go out and do one of these things but they walk in and they're kind of lit up and It's it's pretty you know. It's pretty exciting man. I'll try to try. Try to explain exactly my feelings in a second and I think look thinking back. I think we can all agree. That high school is a four year long embarrassment parade. Hey this filled with terrible moments for me for instance. The night that I got drunk at a football game in my friends who left me and I was just in the bleachers laying down on the ground and I threw up You know laying down. I could have died but instead I just got rice in my hair which was pointed out to me by girl hours later while I in Saturday. McDonald's not knowing how I got there. That's an extreme case. It's awkward for all of us but especially for Matilda and genevieve on the new free form series. Everything is GonNa be okay. They've got all the pitfalls of High School and then their dad dies in Australian half-brother moves into raise them. That's a lot anyone's anyone's plate. You'll see what goes down at their father's memorial service. And you'll see what I'm talking about. Mathilde delivers the eulogy. That doesn't go well. Genevieve wears less than appropriate attire tire. That doesn't go well and their half brother Nicholas. Let's just say his big move it to funeral doesn't go well either. The only difference between this and your teenage experience. It's is that this show is actually fun to watch. Everything is going to be okay. Premiers January sixteenth at eight thirty seven thirty central on on free form. So all right so I'm sitting there and you hear commotion. There's always commotion around a big movie stars because there's a buzz in There's usually we several people. Maybe a dozen people personal security publicists people work at the place to just a Alverson. There's just sort of like you feel the entire frequency of the building ending changes. But here's the thing you know it's weird. It's weird that I've done so many of these things and I'm sitting in this room and I can people become people people very quickly to me and I think what's important to know about mean about this process is the one thing in this life that keeps me me. Upbeat engaged. Hopeful and interested is talking to people. It's talking to the people I talked to on this show and and in my life no matter what they do. It's not the that's not the thing they're all people but just doing it. No matter how much dread I have or how much Ching's Zaidi I'm experiencing in any given moment. If I'm engaged in a conversation it dissipates I lose myself in the conversation and I know there are people in my head but I gotta be honest with you folks. I'm not I don't have anybody up on a pedestal. And I'm not a star-struck person but these guys are shiny fuckers. They are shiny. We need fuckers man. That's a natural gift. I mean granted. I've grown up most of my life seeing Brad Pitt in movies and doing amazing work in the same with the Caprio Aprio and I again. I have a lot of respect for these guys. But when they walk in I mean they they they feel like movie stars. And that's just that is a natural goddamn gift. I did the work in my brain to separate them from like I just these people and I'm going to separate them from work. I'm just GONNA THEY'RE GONNA be in front of me and they're going to be regular people but you know they're just fucking movie stars and they're both great actors and it was very very exciting amidst all the chaos in my brain. There were moments right just to I. I was just trying to be just trying to be normal folks just trying trying to be cool. The other. Tricky thing is that I had an hour so I got there. I got to the our guide and our early the sit around. Think look at my four notes. Let's think about the movies. Think about where do I WANNA go. How is it going to work? And then I know I got an hour. And then you're out an hour and you're out and then there then that's it it and then I'm sitting there alone with my recorder wrapping up cords. That's the thing that's the beautiful moment at the end of this. They you don't get to see folks is that After all the excitement in Hoopla and all the the entourage's leave the security people. Leave the movie stars. We've it's just me in a room wrapping up cords unplug and stuff and filling a bag up up and walking out by myself to the parking lot hoping that whatever is in the machine isn't fucked up so there you go. That's the the inside scoop. Now let's go there to that room at the arclight where I talked to Brad Pitt and Leonardo DiCaprio as I said before they're both nominated for Golden Globes and SAG awards for their roles in once upon a time in Hollywood and by the time. This is airing one or both of them may have won the Golden Globes which were last night. They're both strong contenders for Oscar. Nominations as well and and I got to sit there and panic in front of them. So enjoy it Warfare School Relax Relax With the mayor. And how we GONNA. You're you're so nice about me fan. I really really is. I remember talking about you on on the movie. You're going off about about the show. I love this show. It's going to be leaving net flicks. and where's it going. I don't know I just know on the job on. It's over. Yeah I've seen it three times series the entire. It's my happy place to see you. Miserable makes makes me feel so bad the burden for others you really are but I just love how you I think I told you this bumped into you. How you you'll like suffered some minor injustice in the world? Yeah from another yeah have it out with them. Yeah you suffer no fools. Yeah then invite him back to listen to your to your new turntable Sean. Things like we're now we're all humans. Yeah yeah I I think that's an attempt. I don't know if you have that problem where I'll act like an asshole and then and then you you kind of claw your way back into someone's life and hopefully they'll forgive you for it see. I thought you were justified. Yes yes I did I did. I thought you were speaking for all and then you. Then everything's okay. Everything's okay usually until it comes back later. So what can we make. Sure I guess is how we do it. We speak into the MIC. Like is this is. This is incorrect distance. Yeah I think I think this is good You never know who's GonNa fuck up with a Mike Man. Some people can't do it I will. I'm I'm not comfortable comfortable with it or you. Yeah I'm fine. I think we just hold it. Like Mike's Comfortable. There is a big problem with and I am not I'm not being mean but John. TURTURRO talks a lot with his hands. So right right right talion yes so if you listen to that one but but when you have the the comfort of the garage aren't they don't they said aren't they hanging or director on boom. It's when you're on mobile here could make it out to that. Anything could happen. Yeah I know Nice little little little sad so what what just went on there we did a little. QNA with for the for the movie for the old film screening Green Clinton's in there. He's in they're still talking. It's great to do a Clinton because he he does all the heavy lift carries the load. Okay there is no he'll just keep going He will keep going so I guess I don't. It's always hard to figure out where to start talking to dudes two guys but the last time time I saw you as opposed to one. Okay your careers like somehow wrangle England up here but the last time I saw you was at that art basil thing right. There aren't that you know the thing at the art thing because my ex it's my now ex at an example. It's you're so sweet. You're outside like bartering for her. Bring her art lover. Thought it was very sweet. It was I mean I I still have respect for and I love her but I just. I'm out okay. Let me let me ask you this. What would you think for art related? I liked it a lot. I because there's something about abstraction either it's GonNa work it's not I mean you're an abstract guy right you like abstract art. I like I like a lot of art so does so does. That's right. It's going to talk to you about the first time I met. You guys met you. You were hanging out with Thomas House ago. That's right. He's your buddies giant sculptor big sculpture. That's the one so you do you. You both collect art. Yes and your dad was like a comic guy. Yes yes gasp was. We're while he was a a comic book. Distributor around Los Angeles needs to take me in his station. Wagon called the pus mobile. Yeah and we ooh yeah. Why was broken down yellow? Messed up station wagon. We go to golden apple and Heidi Hoe. Basically every weekend of my life was trucking around comic book. Stores and head shops selling Durand Durand posters and the Freak Fabulous Freak brothers and Cherry pop tart. And all these crumbs stuff all are crumbs. My Dad's actually friends with our chrome and Williams. I Know I've interviewed Robert. Oh yeah he's amazing. It's like one of his best friends really so he's kind of Zeal League of the counter hippie culture all the so I grew up going to the Duda parade hand with all these underground artists was to make a little cash. You know what I mean because although you know although my future college funds was a you know a box of underground comic books. That didn't exactly the bills. But that was literally my college fund like every every number one at comic book like even underground comic all none of the Marvel or DC stuff which actually went on a lot of money just the first the original art. The crummy art has really skyrocketed. And do you have that stuff. I do have a couple of couple. Luckily he's finally is the the man from the underground art scene that has like hit the marketplace and actually become right you know and Robert Williams very bitter about it all about I. I collect Robin Williams to that man is grabbed a god great. You will hear nothing but no one no I. I think. That's one of the weird chips on his shoulder. Is that you you know. He never got established art success while he was with Tony. Chef Rasi in New York. I remember La underground arts scene trying to make it to new. York is a very tough the transition right but that's also it seems like those guys get stuck in that kind of like comic art outside our graphic art right trip whereas guys like you like house ago. That's fine art shit right. That's big time if it when it lands that way sure. Yeah and and do you have a couple of those huge pieces I I in fact indeed do what. What kind of art do you gravitate to the most? So I I wouldn't even got elected that don't even say the word collection kind of bothers me makes me go right right right but not find. It is an investment. No no never Just certain things that that move me. I'd like to be around each day and might inspire my kids or something. Yeah I don't look someone Thomas stuff is could scare them as well do you. Are you do sculpture. Anyway I have been on my own. Just just just is like I mean because what we do is such a collaborative sport. Sure I've found that For the better for the worst. Sometimes you know I've seen performances mm-hmm proved enhanced like on this one. Yeah or I've seen them take a take a beating right and to do something that just you and on your own very solitaire find very Meditative well yeah. That's well that's the weird thing I mean because you guys both see what you do as art right. Yeah I hope so have you have you. We're not quite allowed allowed to say that certainly entertainers but are we. Are we allowed to say. I think we can say that all right of course but she can't okay but but it's something you worked towards right. I mean like do you remember your first jobs. Of course God yes it was TV right. Both of us were television television. I mean did that help out in knowing this guy part this part in this movie. LTV World I think for sure I mean. The truth is what was so great about Clinton's script was the sort of outsider approach that he took to the industry to guys at. Were certainly my the character of being on the brink of extinct right as the hippie cultural movement is coming into play. And he's like a remnant of old hat Hollywood Out of Cowboy Television and he hasn't made that transition and as a byproduct cliff my psychiatrists security guard houseman. Yes suffering the consequences of course Roman Polanski moves in next door and that he symbolizes everything that we aren't sure and are trying to be right. Just that approach right away. I think you know we. We've been doing this for a long time. We've been very fortunate to what we do but we remember are those days you remember looking up to all these actors that were doing it and like who come like when you started out like. What was your first TV gigs? I can't remember I did. I did a year one one season of parenthood which is a spin off of the movie. Parenthood Steve Martin Martin and I played Joaquin Phoenix's role in the television version of parenthood. Right so actually studied Joaquin Phoenix's performance and and that to get my first job. Then I do that today exactly and then I did growing pains but she was. I did a whole season of growing pains. He was on a few episodes and I guess start on with rowing pates with handling paints I worked with Hilary Swank on my season by number. And where you guys like at at that point you. Obviously you wanted to be actors. Wanted to be a movie actors but were you studying. Were you doing actively working with people training other than in other than drama class at school no really came out from the ozarks and I needed some I. I need a little bit polishing. I finally got a young say ozarks now because now there's a show people have some idea of what that might be a great idea that show the not so far. This is left out the the Bible belt portion of the and I got my on my I audition and pretty excited about is for film and I came back and this this agent who was trying me. Try me on as they they did. Then I said how do I do and said you ever thought about acting classes for six months you know and who who were who was Who who were you studying with Guy Roy London? He was fantast. This guy's not with anymore. He's really set me. That guy a few people and you just you just started high school. Yeah but then I. After after a while I started setting with Larry Moss. WHO's amazing coach too and that it was do you do you guys use guys now or you're done with it? I talked to Larry all the time I talked to Leo. He talks lyric viewpoint. Viewpoint is kind of questions you ask them now he just pushes the they need them. They he'd he kind of just drives me to make decisions you know like I said I only got into movies because you know I was really lucky that that that television show had me locked in for the season it was really out the late. Great Alan Thicke in those producers. That said you know what. Let the kid off. The last few episodes go work with Deniro. And they didn't need to do that right right and immediately. I had like this elitist approach about movies and then Allen was like you know we love you. I was like Oh my God yes Sir wrote him I was like I am so incredibly thankful that you let me have that opportunity and you did like. What'd you twenty one? Jump Street to. I did that too. Yeah a very special special episode dealing with suicide. I think it was even billed as a very special episode one and maybe I had two lines. It was only one episode of that. I mean. Yeah Yeah Yeah I guess star guest starred on like the last year of thirty something had one line yes or no see. See guys one word and you're at so you're like really added a while. What was it? What was your first movie? I did a movie in former Yugoslavia. Oh Nice I big budget film. Yeah yeah first. Time on a on a plane really I like passport. I got to go over to got to go out of the country really. That was and you're like how old I was thirty eight. No I was like I was like I don't know early. Twenties first time on a plane drove grove out. You drove the La Yo. Yeah from Oklahoma Missouri Missouri. Says he's right Yeah Oklahoma. Vs Southern Missouri and and what a truck so beat up dots frontier ten close. No it a little better. Don't tell me it was a datsun. Two ten nosed rose three hundred SL house I had but the bumpers hanging off. Yeah when you're loaded up we can just see forward and just like. What do you finished college out there? I didn't finish. I did for years. Yeah didn't officially finished. He's just split. He's going to act on. Yeah but when you go when when you were growing up in Missouri where you did you know you were going to do acting there hell no. There's no acting there wasn't then now knowing what it was springfield feel. Yeah Yeah and you grew up like literally in the ozarks. Yeah are you folks still there. Yeah family brothers sister. They'll live on the same street really. Yeah go to the ozarks for the summers. Do you go visit you. Bring all all of your kids to the Ozark we would. Yes yes yeah. Yeah and what about but fortunately California's more draw. Also they. They like to come here uh-huh so he drove out here. And then they've okay so Yugoslavia. What was that? What movie was it? It's called dark side of the Sun Kid with the skin disease and can't go out in your and then decides you know. Living Week is worth living in the sun worth living the not living at all. and Ah it's an amazing dot line I remember powder but this is total. What about the one that would have been this? It wasn't revolting bubble movie. Oh boy in the bubble and find movie damn fine movie and your first movie was boys wife. No actually no. It wasn't my. It was my first. I did a small part in critters. Three yeah which was shot at a smart and and final in Santa Monica. Move your hand up on that thing so I think so you not holding the connection. Where's the buzz coming from man? The movie still no no. It's Kinda God. Ah Good Awkward when I got off freaked out. No not really. There isn't that they'll cut this out. It'll be out. No I kind of expect you to get all freaked out a little bit. I'm like kind of waiting for it yet. You lose your shit and with Tuck in two zero one thing and then I looked down and the fucking thing wasn't recording a half an hour man. I was like Oh fuck walk watching spin out like literally just wanted to quit. I've done and I said he goes. How much we'd we lose? I said like twenty five minutes. He goes I remember it. Wow Aw that's awesome. It was like a script like he would we recap the the whole thing. Wow but I made me wonder like I can't go backwards but I am here just to see you lose your shit. So maybe it'll happen also also happened before. Hey Hey that makes really hot. What is different than the rest? fucking fuck this opens her digressing going down fast. It's not happening. Hello check check. This one sounds weird. Now what's happening. I don't like your actual home check. Check Oh Kim here we go. Did that all work out for you. The freaking yeah. Yeah I enjoyed okay. I think we're good now. Jesus Christ that was fucking and terrible. It was fucking terrible so what were we talking about. Movies are earlier smell. Yes so I did a guest part on critters thrilled. Yeah Yeah what was that critter or critters. Three at a smart and final in Santa Santa Monica. And then I I think my first role in an actual movie Sara Gilbert and Drew Carey more and it was called Poison Ivy. You and I had a full monologue insulting Sara Gilbert and I and I messed up my lines and I think I was twelve or thirteen. Thirteen years old. Yeah screwed up my lines. Then they get they just said all right kid just walk in and look at her and say problems problems and I walked in. I said problems. Yeah that was my line and then they cut that out of the movie so I'm not in the movies I I'm actually not in at all. They're completely at it now. Like how much effect. Because you guys both worked with our Honjo Johndroe in in in re to babble with him writing and you did the revenue now that guy seems to be in terms of like both work with great directors but in terms of being part of Quinton too but in terms of being something like if you look at the scripts and look at the vision of it as being like holy fuck this as a piece of art would that guy like rank up there with that absolutely lights were. You don't even know how it's all going to work out in the scope of it. Oh there it was no way to to foresee what he was going to do out there. The script was one thing was Kinda linear story of a guy hiding out in the wilderness. You we know great sort of revenge story but I mean what what he did cinematic with that movie just blows me away that and there was a point where he wanted to sort of continue that idea of a singular shot like he had done with Birdman throughout the course of that entire hire wilderness until we got to the point that we realized there are two characters that go in opposite directions and and then he quickly sort of improvised with Chievo. The great cinematographer on trying to keep this linear sort of one shots snake idea idea but then cut back and forth but at one time he was like no no. I'm going to do one shot all the way through. And then he realized there's thousands of miles between us and he'd have to to do a puff of smoke and fly over her back and forth but what they did on that movie and in those conditions. I don't know how they pulled it off. It was incredible and and your the thing with him that that scene on the bus where that bullet comes through the window. Right isn't that that's right but when you read that script did you see how all those stories we're gonNA fit together when you get pre project like that. Yeah Yeah you trust him by his by his previous work and and also it was it was there was something in the way it was constructed. It was the end scene gene from me that made me want to do it. Because only a had going through that whole journey that he realized how close he came to losing everything and that's when the adrenaline is gone. You could just and just break down from it all I was. I was moved by that but I didn't know the depths again. It's saying saying you don't know what he's got in his mind you just know. It's yeah you really bank on his reach the filmmaker I mean because I mean after having read so many great screenplays screenplays that have turned to dog. Shit right you actually realize that. The filmmakers the one that elevates material that you and brings things to it that you could have never seen you know you're there there were seeing it through their eyes. You got movies for either of you. Think like you don't know how it got away from whoever got away from but it wasn't you like where were you. Watch the final thing and you're like fuck happen here. It's horrible feeling when you're screening with others. Yeah and the lights come up. Yeah and everyone looks you to say something and you just know off. Aw remember any of the lines at anyone told you. Will you know if they ever come up and they say like the music. Who did the music did? The music was amazing. Then you know you know I have a couple. I went to a premier. Won't mention the name of the film but I just remember my friend looking at Angang own my cup of tea. I my cup of tea. You don't know what it was about. It was everything turned. Though you feel it you just feel it and it's not. It's the first time you see all the work everything that went into it and you know it just turn it smelled so bad. Nothing's nothing's landing like. Well you know right when the promotion starts start right when the posters doesn't take just feeling we're sitting in you know in the Senate going. Oh my God John this is bad at had it like ten more years or so than him. So you've got a lot more movies. I've been at it a little below but we kind of hit the same time I had. I had further ground to make up. Right where Leo started from my thing but it doesn't seem like you guys have to do this where we're you know you read a script and you know like you know this is GonNa Stink but it's only four weeks and it's it's going to not GonNa get me the right whatever you don't have to know we've been pretty fortunate the fortunate now very lucky fellas before. Yeah Yeah felt that before. I just flashed on when we did the when we did the first screening of seven. Yeah no the Premier Premiere of Seven. No one had seen it. Yeah and this is Yeah Yeah and the. The movie ended in Hudson new there. I think okay if you remember the movie ends and they just flick on the lights and I look at people and they just they they just kind of slowly get up from their seats and no one's talking and then they just kind of disappeared from the screen. Remember looking good. Oh my God. What the fuck what happened? What's going I? I thought this was great and at a different memory of it. I remember people liking it but yeah I guess would be kind of house. You're describing remember that but that's I think that's that's what I talked to Ed Norton. He said that happened with with fight club to all we had a great one. We had the best the best greeting ever we were. We had fast last film festival and they do this midnight screening for some reason or not. We thought it'd be a good idea to smoke a joint before. Well that's right. Yeah Yeah and And we go in and you know they have this. You put you up in a balcony you sacks to the the guy runs the festival right. You know. Everyone's looking at you they clap. You sit down. It's very formal and and in the movie starts and I joke comes up and and it's just it's crickets. It's dead silence and and another joke and it's dead silent on this thing is not translating translating at all and the more that happened. The funnier got Edward night and we'd just start laughing with astles in back laughing at our own jokes the only ones and then at some point it gets to the helm Bonham. Carter's line when she says. I haven't been fucked like that since grade school and I watched the festival. The Guy who had been squirming the whole thirty minutes. Yeah just get up. And he leaves doesn't say he didn't say a word just gins up makes us laugh even more. So that's beautiful. We had a good time. Do you remember like the moment where you just sort of. He realized your wife was never going to be the same again. Oh yeah film called Titanic. That was yeah that was it and then after that I just remember go. I was off on location doing movies. Yeah you know right away a and then I was in my early twenties already and I was always. I never bothered to look for house. I stayed in my mom's guestrooms into my early twenties and then and then the movie started to come out of the buzz of it or whatever and I just remember four. SUV's outside my house. One day. And I went to like the liquor store to get a soda and there were Suv's and then they just kept following me every day of my life and it was like okay. This this life will no longer be the same to this day probably more like Ford explorers about yeah. Yeah yeah something like that blacked out windows and that that happens to this day. No it doesn't no no doesn't not not as much anymore more. No no thank God. Did you do something usually. There's like this time when you have a movie coming out or you're starting to do promotion where they're sort of on on you a lot more but you know I get i. I've been able to escape a lot more. which is great and walk around and you do Zeid and things like that where a little disgruntled with you you have you ever been waiting on men really? Oh Man. Yeah but may I I. I'm just I'm just like trash MAG fodder I'm like my Because is a disaster personal probably very exciting personal life. But you've gotten into the confrontation with them before. Oh Yeah Yeah Oh yeah and there's nothing you can fuck and do about those guys you just nothing you can do about it a little. Kim's popularity is GonNa get you one way or another it's been my motto. I figure there's just nothing you can do but you've never had to go out with a fake nose or anything like I heard. We've tried all that stuff. I'm I'm I and it's all a failure. They always you know. I got some good getaways but I will not reveal here because they're still in play. Okay yeah in terms of like like just being able to disappear or do you have a stunt double that you work with no none of the lights. No none of that where now. I've had somebody who said. Let me wear your hat on all. Jump out none of that stuff now. No good no good. I don't remember who I was talking to him. He was golfing was telling me about down. He had no S- or something. It made any brilliant man causing made him yes. Brilliant government photograph to tell us and then they put it put. I'm in the magazine with Mel Gibson with them. Faith that runs that only God if he got a lot of mileage off it though he did for few years. Yeah Oh really heated the people and it was just enough. It was real enough but but off enough to make someone like just one. Walk the other way you know there was something wrong. He we just looked a bit creepy so it was like that looks like now gifts in. It's not just step aside and not investigate so with with this like can I ask you because I've seen the last two movies are you. Do I watched an ad Astra and do that one. I liked it because I didn't know I'm not a space guy. In general I entered it cranky cranky. I realize a how well I entered cranking often you in any way or just making you know because I thought well this guy's really gone above even beyond to work out his dad's stuff. I just gotTa make a phone call Dr to New Mexico. There's fucker it gets them. Closer like closure realized that was just really a movie about like I over think I worked out with his old man. Yeah it was. It was so clearly a movie about like I got my dad was ah nothing like to stay home and done a year therapy for calling problem. The one thing I never understood like what what was his ship doing that was causing trouble. Did they even explain that. I'M NOT GONNA explain it to you. Oh you know though. No I can't explain. Ah Sounds like inception for me what happened. I have no idea. You don't do sometimes you. You just just focused on your character man. You know I had no. Actually I do get involved in that but when it came to criminal in his mind and how that was all piece together and everyone was trying to constantly put that puzzle together around. Did anyone ever succeed. I can't remember if it made sense. Ultimately depends on the eye of the beholder. I guess it's producer has a weird question. I gotTa ask You about this movie. Is that he and he told me this he said the only thing I'm hung up on. You gotta ask him. He's a he said he he wanted me to ask you. If your character actually got the part in the great escape was fired. No was that a fantasy. See that you were thinking no it was a fantasy it was it was well. We actually had this whole section that actually couldn't was talking earlier about the fact that he had a four and a half hour cut via and the the movie that you see. I mean this is all from the mind of Quentin Tarantino and there's so many any other sections that I think he had to take out to sort of drive the story along. But there was this great moment with Al Pacino and I spent like three three weeks with Al Pacino Muso and Franks one on one doing a sort of whole history of Rick Dalton's career where I've been here in the state of the movie industry industry the State of our culture. This sort of I could have been. Somebody could have been a contender almost got you know the great escape but I was the third guy on the list had McQueen. Drop down this this. I could have been that guy so we kind of put it in two timothy all funds scene where we start talking about our careers careers. And then there's this kind of flash right of rick. Yeah as that as Wayne Anyhow Rick Dalton would have played the McQueen actual which was the star breaking turn from and it's not legal described as a moment. It's like a ten minute scene and it's fantastic. It makes it. It's the bane of his existences. He's walking around and everyone knows him as the guy almost got the greatest game and he gives this this very sobering soliloquy on it. It was never going to happen and stop calling me then. No when when you get when you enter working on this part I I mean it's the it's the actual heartbreak of show. Business is what you're playing sickly. Yeah and it's not something that you haven't seen before in other people I mean we're surrounded surrounded by all the time that's Rad and I were just talking about and the and the Q.. Innate just now is how you know although we've been incredibly fortunate and have had a sort of long successful career we'd know this world we I'd grown up around actors that almost got this role or almost got that role we knew we knew the dynamic of of these relationships. I mean I've had guys over the years that have been my psych like I said my psychiatrist Security Aguire on location in Africa for eight months right they got your back our days. They're there for you and they really do carry the load so even though Clinton gave us this amazing manuscript on our history detailed from you know the figment of his own right from his imagination. Yeah we implicitly new this dynamic in Hollywood and this sort of relationship with these guys had an I think it was weird like the first day on set we were we just kinda clicked and I keep telling the story but it's true the he I remember we were driving onto onto the Lancer. Lot and Brajesh improvised this line and he goes you know hey realizing our hangover realized have gotten this bad news that my career is essentially over and he it just goes. Hey you're rick fucking doll and as soon as he said that I was like. Oh that's US man no matter what the Hell's going down that's that's my number one fan right there Rick Fuck and Dalton and I'm like Yep go in a disastrous day on set regardless but that's true though because I even notice that when I was a doorman at the comedy store is there. Is this weird kind. People have satellite people that kind of walk around as the extension extension of their ego ego support system. And you see all the time in this town and the and the and then you have this at the center is completely delusional. person person completely believing that they're really thinks they're really doing amazing shit. I was just calling your friendship. The French it with a paycheck in like cliff says ain't got it so bad gonna fix your intended today. But you know he's uh-huh he's not so bad. I mean. That was the thing that I had to like figure out about. Rick Dalton what God what it not only would a pessimist but what a winer he was an and I think that Quinton always had this thing that I didn't quite understand that he's really feeling sorry for himself. You meets the girl girl. The little girl who's like and there was another scene that was cut out about. Hey you know we lucky to do what we do and Rick doesn't realize that he's real. He's all obsessively thinks about is what could have been. He could have been a contender he could have been this guy and the whole industry sucks in the world sucks. He's got them hippies. Yeah when when you went into it how how what were you thinking like. who were you playing like? Did you know the guy. Well he he now. I mean well you told me you got that line from somebody. You said it to Yo this guy when I first started this guy had this guy bitching moaning like in the mid nineties. I had this guy toll free loader you you know like you. You don't always seem walking back and forth wearing my clothes using my dryer. What I mean in eating the food but he was he was there for me Eh? One day he had said that to me. I was bitching moaning. This is like mid nineties. Don't forget your Brad fucking uh-huh soothe me so no but there was a AH. There's just an ease too I mean. I'm certainly striving for you know. And he's in in life and there was eased to this this character yet that you it just didn't didn't sweat the small shit why it seems like in both these these roles were kind of like even at an ad Astra you. You were able to kind of control to it that I had not seen before they eat. Seem like you're this guy was zen and the Ad Astra Guy was just sort of repressed. But so you were able to. You're able to quite down. Well this yeah. This one was more. I think cliff was just guy. We accepted his cards and was Oh right within in writing it was going to be. Okay everything was you know it was okay like if it was really against me. The world isn't against right right. Even your shit on this day we'll deal with a clean it up and you can fight Andy. Well yes yes. That's that you know you can definitely handle yourself. So this is the first time he worked with pointing all right. Your second inglorious Bassett's right. That's great that's right. That was you do your homework. Don't you yeah yeah you were great fucking it so you guys knew how he worked yes to the process. is He different than any other director. I mean these guys these bigger than he's different Different he's is amazing. What yes yes yes and no? I mean there's certain I mean there's certain dialogue sequences that he has sort of stuck in his mind and you no. He's a writer director. He's got his pattern. He didn't and almost a way of saying the line that he has envisioned. But then there's other times times there will like in a lot of the You know the the trailer stuff for example where he lets you riff lets you improvise and a lot of stuff with Brad and myself. We just just. We improvised a lot of that too. So yeah he's he's keeping you know he's keeping a watchful eye on it but I do have founded his stuff. There's a very specific Pacific music to it. The COEN brothers as well that if you start real tight with that shit you start the militant about saying if the actor starts interjecting us and does and yeah right. Club thinks is interesting. Yeah it usually usually fucks up the rhythm of the music. Yeah Yeah Yeah on the other hand. He'll throw outlines. He's as a writing so he'll throw out lines or or give us room to play and you know honestly like with directors like him and score says he when you get these guys that are true sinophile and I mean world-class like put them on jeopardy type of of course name the editor of an obscure thirty thousand French French film. Not In the one that got fired. They'll know that name right. And I you know Marty seen every film ever made up until nineteen eighty. But then Clinton's got this is crazy catalogue of not only music but television Kung Fu movies and beef films and out of print. Stuff that you yeah you know. These guys watched movies all day long. Yeah I mean. They are absolute experts at the subject matter so for me like for for example. I knew this era of cinema but I didn't know all the type of films he was referring to and I know that television the cowboy television shows right in dead or alive and all these I mean I watch some of them. Gunsmoke the rifleman we saw repeats. I mean you're at the same age as me where it was before my time but I remember repeat so I had to get acclimated. This era era of cinema. The era of television at that time guys almost made it. Bright didn't quite make the television movie transition Asian and so he gave me this long list of actors to sort of navigate and there was this one guy. Ralph meeker that to sly cute into and I was like like that's the guy he's not as bad as the other guys. He's got some great stuff in him but he just never got that shot. Never got the chance to to show it and so that's why cued into and I just sort of obsessively watched his work so the meltdown in the in the trailer. That was improvised that I imagine right and and when you're playing that was in your mind. We just a boozer did you have deeper mental problems. Would you put in place or do you even think about that. Well I definitely knew new. Rick was a full-fledged alcohol right that was kind of he wrote this subtexts Ya the script right and then I you know I added a a bunch of stuff that had to do with a guy that was carrying a full mental breakdown. I think what would he come with that. You know he's dealing with his on mortality. And what do you like. This is just a dumb actress question. I guess for both the because I you know I try to act. Occasionally what do you do you like in terms of putting what is wrong with this fucking. It's gotta be a cord started again. Don't worry about it got all right so just got my admissions work. Got To stay in the fucking character. What what do you? What do you put in place do you? How do you put it all in place do you just is it all you are you fully formed in it and then the cameras stop and you can have a doughnut? And then it's like ready to go and then you just remember the guy you know very selfishly your for me. I'm just obsessively thinking about what I'm doing all day long. And what was so amazing about getting to see like the final product is to you know Brandon. I met every couple of weeks and we're like did a scene. A random seem together. Maybe we'd have a week where he shot. And then he had this whole other dynamic storyline that he was doing I had finished my lancer so right opt in and out but then what was so cool as being able to see like the finish product and see what Brad had created and not even realizing what he was doing when he was doing it with me. This sort of you know almost like this Steve. McQueen's Zen something. That was so amazing that he pulled off. And I didn't if I wasn't even aware of it wasn't aware of when we're doing our slows to be self obsessed. You're not meant to so you mean you. You had no idea what his way his whole otherwise wipe went off and did our stories and Margot to really fun to see it all together. Like how do you hold on to it. I don't man I'm I'm not you know you. You hear those stories. I couldn't let go the character for three months. Still living under the bridge right eating. I'm I'm Oh man. It's they say rap. I'm done but even in between scenes though like you're not sitting in your character so you just kind of like lock into a tone or no you stay paying them you stay in the you do stay in the mode tone. Yeah stay from the beginning of shooting to the end you do stay in. I don't know what to call it. Yeah mindset now I WANNA talk you both about producing before we run out of time because you're both doing things the one that you want to direct really no desire you not really Why time suck man is six months years at least two years just to start and you're relying on so many variables in the planet's really have to align? That's my. I'd rather do that. You know spend the time in the studio right with friends. Yeah but on the other hand I do think there's so many good people doing right now. I really don't have have anything to add. Maybe if there was a story that I I felt like only I could tell. Yeah but it's very interesting like you know you're you're talking about trying to create a performance. You're kind of selfishly. Just focused on you all day long. Yeah creating these moments with the other actors right just thinking about the story. I can't imagine what it would be like to be a director who has one hundred different departments coming up to me every day thing. What color should be you know? What kind of cuts do you like to this onto that shot? I'll be like what leave me alone long. I have one. I have this to focus right. It's it's a compartmentalization of the human mind again focused. The I may may be able to to do at some point but for now I mean. Let the guys like Bradley Cooper do it. Because he's great job. You guys are friends right and that movie was something he really did something you did. God He's got the goods and and good act. Well that's me kill me is at the end where you realize that. He's actually doing a Sam Elliott impression that moment where he's like you realized he did steal the guys personality analogy of my only put that whole thing in the place. He didn't know why he was talking like that until he cops to it. And you're like holy fuck off the whole accent. Was Sam Elliott the whole time personality anyways. So you both seem to produce different your different. Ucla to take some real risks with artistic stuff in terms of the kind of movies. You're getting behind. And you have like a kind of socio Shia political angle that you're sociopathic political. No I think it's great but I did want to ask you. Why how'd you get involved with that gene that Jim Jones documentary commanderie? Did you do that. Yeah we did that we did. That was crazy. It was an insane insane story. I mean like for some reason. There's been a lot of documentaries that we've been gravitating towards I mean. This really is the era of documentaries and for the just did one with my father called Struggle Algal with which she's in which is about the whole underground art scene in this gurudas sort of chrome and Robert Williams Stanislavs Zukowski and his whole crazy Z.. Journey to Californian la becoming this obscure. It's kind of like a searching for sugarman us a sculptor. Refresher Dad's idea it would have been my. It's been my father other and my idea for almost twenty years now and we pitched it fifteen times over the years but now in this era which is fantastic for talking talking about the whole transition of where our industries going. Yeah I came in and Net flicks and I'm like so there's a sculptor you know. Everything was bombed Tom during world. War Two his whole life's work disappeared and he ends up living in obscurity in the valley. And then has a resurgence. And it's his life story and Ted's like great. Let's let's do it great. I'm like what what what just happened when they green lit the thing. Yeah and so. It's just been so exciting to be able to see all these. He's really cool stories getting finance quite simply amazing years ago. You mean because these things used to be have have to go into theaters amongst hundreds hundreds of others. Never get the get the play time right Fi. They have to win an academy award for you to see them right now. They have to be world acclaim. Now it's a draw to the consumer and millions and millions of people watch these documentaries opposed to having to go through theatrical system. That's pretty fucked. And they're immediately educational. Yeah and he learned something the eleventh hour a long time ago. That's true. Yeah but way more people would have seen it if it was right on a streaming service much like before the flood that kind of traveled around the world for three years to every nation on earth for climate change. I mean that you know that was that that came in the market going to be able to stop it. What the climate change? Oh boy yeah. Yeah it's it's we're having a tough go of it right now. Pal tough tough. GOES ANYBODY TAKING CARE OF S. Clay Wilson Wilson's amazing I'd I'd I don't know the specifics. But but he's is amazing that he is he is because he's he's had some trouble fell down in between Wilson Climate Change. I'm just concerned about as a okay. Somebody take care of but you did. But you did Richard Jewel to yes. We did Richard Yulia how that happened. Clint is just sort of like. Hey so help me out with this story Nano the story. Usually you know you get the rights to these stories. Books articles working with producer. And then you get the You you hope for the right director that can get involved with the right actor to get involved to green light the project and then it's you know ago from the put together you were really part of your company. Yeah I mean very intricately. All the P the financing I thought the line producing the lot guy. It's really the great it's really getting access says to the acquisition of a ride cool ideas that we get to be one of my favorite films of the year and one of my favorite performances of the year. He's amazing he's amazing using Paul Walter Houser them. What a what a gym and Rockwell and Kathy Bates they were? Just you know some some pop in some later things like Getting a little of right. Yes I think I think it's one of the greats of the year. I Adore with Richard Jewel on my again disassociate him and what's and the Clinton is still still still doing it. Man Still doing strong. You work with him. I haven't you I did J. J. Edgar Hoover. Yeah yeah he's he's amazing he's amazing he's shoots quick right he does shoot quick quick and eat salmon. Manage it every meal and and he's just like Superman. Wow but you're now you're production company. Did you did moonlight right. And you did vice yup and you and you did the big short and Selma twelve years of sway amazing wow allow Oscar winners Oscar contenders. How do you decide we follow? Follow filmmakers that we really respect yeah and and you know for a while there before streaming there was this period where they budget tent pole films. You know action films were getting made and then those under ten million if you wanted to do something risky and there was this whole gap in between. Yeah and I've found at that time in the early the arts of we were I mean we. I got in just trying to help some of these these people we believed in get their film to the finish line right and it because there was this this attempt Smith these films that weren't getting made and that kind of I think that really opened up with us we've still yet to make a dime arena. We're like we're like remember Walter Cronkite. CBS had to make one percent to keep the lights on right. Yeah in fact news was much better than because of yeah yeah. We're kind of like that seriously with those big movies. Yeah what did you take. Why is it? I don't know I don't know it just hasn't not my forte. What do you got on the docket coming up? A film called Blonde around fear which is for Netflix. Marilyn Monroe Andrew Dominik directed and big series with Called Underground groundbreaker world. It's going to be cool and so on and so forth and is that really you see both of you guys. I mean obviously you're still vital actors but do you see productive producing loosing his as a way to sort of like. I like it because we get to still you know we're still be storytellers part of stories of we're not necessarily right for right. Yeah Yeah you'd be in but we get to put those out in the world I I. I'm surely fused saying the same pretty proud of the stuff that we get to put out that may not be there if if we hadn't got behind in somewhat all right or our team. Yeah Yeah so we're a team. What are you guys working on? What am I doing now with? Production are acting acting. I'm doing a film in supposed to be in March. We'll see Mir Called killers the flower moon About the osage page Indian murders in Oklahoma and the twenties. It was J. Edgar Hoover one of his first cases and it had to do with these oil rights that the osage were able to acquire and became the richest per capita people on earth and then were systematically murdered so restoring all tru his direction. That Scorsese and Deniro's is going to be in it as well. That's everybody reacting in some Looking at doing some of the summer with Zell on the silent movie I'll cool. Wow that's a great script cool great. It's what what is it about it. Just the end of the silent movie era when talkies took over and how was pretty. You know the wild west at that at that time and people who were at the top instruments Sunday just you know put aside. They didn't anymore sunset boulevard right. Yeah thanks Vallis. Thank you thank acumen. I'm glad I was able to freak out for you the sound. I have no idea what's going to happen. I'm shutting it off right. Yeah there you go Brad Pitt. We in order to Caprio with Nice will shout out to s Clay Wilson. At the end. He doesn't get many does and I don't think he's conscious enough to hear it even if he could do but Popped into my head because we pop underground comic Guy Anyway We'll see how they both did it. The Golden Globes. That's going to be information that you've gotten it. I haven't gotten as a recording. Obviously they're both in once. It's upon time in Hollywood and you should see it if you haven't it's really a great movie and don't forget simplisafe offers comprehensive professional home security at a fair price. They protect every room door and window with twenty four seven monitoring and real time video confirmation so police can respond to break ins up to three and a half times faster right now is your chance. 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Episode 1080 - Jay Roach

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Episode 1080 - Jay Roach

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Let's do this. How are you what the fuck is what the fuck buddies? What the fuck sticks what's happening? I'm Mark Sharon. This is my podcast W T.F. Welcome welcome to it. I'm broadcasting from a hotel in Atlanta. Georgia I came down here Friday. It's been a harrowing few days and I will tell you what's going on because I you're all part of it. You're part of this story. You're part of my life but before I kind of get into the thick of it I'd like to promote my tour. Is that okay. The twenty twenty tour dates that are now on sale are these. He's Thursday January thirtieth in Cleveland. Ohio at the Agora Theater Friday January thirty first Grand Rapids Michigan at the Fountain Street. Church Saturday February first. Just Milwaukee Wisconsin at the Turner Hall Ballroom. Friday February Fourteenth Orlando Florida at hard rock. Live Saturday February Fifteenth Tampa Florida at at the center Thursday February Twentieth Portland Maine State Theatre Thursday February Twenty First Providence Rhode Island Columbus Theater Friday February Twenty Second New Haven Connecticut at College Street Music Hall and Sunday February Twenty Third Huntington New York at the paramount. You can go to W. F. pod dot dot com slash tour for links to all the venues. That's going to be a freezing tour. That's going to be exciting for me because I have a lot of winter clothes that I never able to wear because I don't ski really anymore. I don't live in a cold place. It's a stretch to have to wear a fucking sweater in Los Angeles. So now I'm going to have to pack big big and get out the gear. Get out the boots. That warm jacket layer up. I'm GONNA layer up. That's what I'm GONNA do. It'll be fun except for Tampa Orlando assuming they're not going to be freezing. Oddly a bit chilly down here in Atlanta. But I don't know the weather generally I've as I said I've been here since Friday today on the show. I talked to a Jay Roach. WHO's a new movie? Bombshell is playing in a limited release it opens this. It's Friday December twentieth about Fox News. It's about Roger Ailes. I remember talking to John with go when he was working on it. And we had kind of a funny exchange about that about the depth of the monstrosity. He did a great job with it. But there's no question and we can make no exceptions Roger Ailes fucking demonic fuck. who ruined the world did not bring doing good? Things did not bring good things. And he's the reason why we have a fairly well oiled and functioning authoritarian state. That is a Really taken over half the country and IT'S A and they're excited about it. They're happy about their dictator They're tribalism is is furious and they would like I. Would I really think they'd like Democrats dead or non-existent not to mention other types of people but so yeah right. Now there's about a forty seven percent and of the country is living in functioning authoritarian state with much thanks to Roger ailes now we'll see if it spreads we don't know yet yet and we don't know what that spreading will look like. It's not just going to be people going like I guess it's okay. That'd be part of it by soon like any other authoritarian virus. The the other part will be bloody. We'll see right. Don't WanNA freak anybody out. Sorry maybe I'm not in the right head space so I'll talk to Jay about that about his his life and his his other movies. You know he has been sort of doing more politically bent movies but he also did The meet the parents movies. And you know we'll talk about life man and that's that's what I do here so it's crunch time folks. You've only got a few more days to mail or ship things for the holiday. So don't interrupt your workday or fight traffic. Get to the post office anything you can do at the post office you can do it. STAMPS DOT COM. 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Imagine some of you know because I kind of put it out there on social media a bit that I I That Lafond my cat. who had been talking about for the last week or two Is No longer with us. I put I put but my cat down. I put my buddy down. I had to let go of my friend of You know fifteen plus years. I believe she was my estimate around fifteen and a half years old. I picked her up as the garbage in history. I wouldn't say I picked her up but right but I found her and her siblings Eating out of the garbage bins and hysteria queens in I believe I think it was probably. I'll be around August of two thousand and four. I was working at Air America. I remember it was the IGA or shortly before the Republican National National Convention that we had to cover and I know many of you know the story. I think it's important on some level and talking about these particular cats in my life. They've obviously played a big part of my life. But I don't know that some you know the full depth of that in that the cat said I rescued from those from the alley behind my apartment in hysteria queens. Really I believe helped define my hi My Radio Personality and my style of Radio and provided me with an outlet or with a focus That that really changed the nature of my voice on this type of Mike and In got me going it was really to specific events that shifted. Did you know how I approached the radio MIC and and what I offer of myself on that Mike which was the beginning of learning how to do with those two events. Were the trapping of four kittens behind my my apartment building a story and it's so funny I've heard from so many people bowl from my past and people who know me around. We'll find his death and one of them was Jodi Lennon who lived in the building and I believe still lives in the building with me and she was there the night that I decided to trap these cats and as some you know I just really wanted to help them out. I wanted some friends. I thought kittens would be fun. I had no idea that once. They're eating on their own and they're and they're sort of. If doing that thing you know solo acts but they were all together in around but they were out there in the wild eating on their own which means they were feral they were actively he and essentially wild animals and the Fonda who was the runt of that litter and a very small kind of beautiful Russian Grayish Tuxedo veto cat somehow in her scramble wound up stuck to a glue trap and was flopping around a wild fucking animal flopping around on my kitchen floor floor in a frenzy stuck to fucking glue trap that I had to remove from her and she was always to this day to the day before I I put her down. We'll actually kind of had gone away but she was a very reactive. Defensive Quick to kind of tough cat a little fist of feline fury was that La Fonda and she was tweaked mentally they were all little tweaked because they were feral but I believe that Fonda was a little extra tweaked because that was Sir Viet Nam folks. That was her point of trauma that was when it went down. That was what reconfigured her brain chemistry was getting stuck on that Glue Trap and reluctantly fighting. Every bit of the way me having to take her off that embedding myself. I can't tell you the number of times that cat bloodied the fuck Outta me. He is trying to put her into a cage or trying to help route biting scratching. I wore leather gloves at the beginning but it was during that period where I had those four cats in my house I name them one was hissy one was meaning was monkey and Lafond his name. I think came later but they were just wild animals. I would go to sweep at the end. I would hear them out there and I didn't know what they were doing that. Wake up in my entire. My entire apartment was destroyed and I didn't know what to do so I started talking about them him on the radio. I WanNa talk about the issues. I WANNA talk about being here but I think it's important to let my listeners know that because of your coercion and your bullying eating cactus. I have taken four feral kittens into my apartment in Queens. The understand I know this may not seem important may not seem the issues but this is the world I'm living. I was living in a world of order in a world of disappointing where I would go to sleep and wake up and come to work. No more for Feral kittens. I don't even know what to do with Riley I think did you should hold on to them. I think he should feed him Solid white tune and that the likening they will love you remember. Now they're feral. They have seen nothing but abuse is the day they open their eyes. Yeah so now. You've taken them in. They're going to be a little skittish shift for. I don't think they were abuser. Living Out there in the wilderness behind my my Apartment with their mother and I got this one orange cat literally guy. Let it out of the box trapped. I Made A box. I cut a hole in the food. Netra four of them. There's apparently one more kitting out there. I've gotTA GOTTA get the mother into a cage and get her neuter. That's the ultimate project. But here let this orange one out literally window open about five inches clydes enjoyed into the screen. It's walk itself in between the screen and the window with its claws screen wedged in there and I realize something about me Mark Riley. I wanted to help the cats but after three days. I'm realizing this was all about meeting loved because none of them. They've behind the oven there under the couch. They will not love me. I there's no kitty celebration in a blood going on. So what does that mean you. Put it back out in the street. I can't do that. I've now started making phone calls to figure out what to do with them. And the whole underground network of fifth year old women with money money who do nothing but rescue cats and three of them are calling me proposing. They're doing the right thing you know. They're over fifty. I again making an assumption. Okay but I appreciate their help and I don't know what I'm GonNa do with the cat. So let's move on to bigger things. It is amazing. That Brendan McDonald. Found that clip in buried somewhere in his computer or files or a hard drive. But that what you just heard that was me. And my co host Mark Riley from the show morning sedition on Air America. We were at a Madison Square Garden for day. One of the Republican National Convention which we were covering. And it's you know it's really something I I think I trap the cat maybe a few days before because that was I think August thirtieth two thousand and four and I think I trap them on the twenty seventh because Brendan Remembers me calling him because because he was out with friends and telling that I did this and I and from that day on I continued to to give updates on the cat's like every day day and was me sharing that narrative about those cats. That really started to engage me in the medium of radio. It was that and actually burning a pot of lentils that I described with certain weird passion. that really started me off in knowing that I was doing the right thing by by being on this type of platform on this type of microphone this type of medium. It was thanks to those cats for sure for sure no doubt so eventually. I tried to take me across the street to the Bodega. I think he just re entered the ecosystem he was very mean and crazy cat very wild hissy was a black Tuxedo. Long hair that actually I found home for. I don't know if that cat is still alive. And I took monkey and the Fonda back to La with me and monkey even made a trip back to New York with me once when I was back there again for work for a long period of time but the Fonda the one trip to to La was enough. and I write a big piece about that in attempting normally. I've had a lot of memories with this cat. These cats at my old cows were once indoor outdoor cats funded. Did a lot of traveling used to hang out a few doors down dodged. Coyote somehow always came when I called them there. It was just a lot of a lot of people have come in and out of my life a lot of women. I've been with in the in the past relationships. I've had have known. This cat have had relationships with this cat. When I told Jodi Jodi heard That I that I had to put her down She said so sorry to hear. About what Fonda. What a life you gave that kitty and I said thanks? Jody were there when I trapped her with the shoe boxes and she said totally us. You extended her life by at least fourteen point five years and and she said extra hugs for monkey and me but everybody you know there was A. I had a roommate at the house. That was very close to my friends stash. Who some of you might remember from the beginning of the PODCAST? who used to live at the House with me and helped me out? During the early years she was very close to her. We'll Fonda and I told her I hadn't talked to her in years and we sort of reconnected. We're GONNA have coffee but it was very difficult. I'd never done it before and I and I was really dead set on not missing it in in a weird way I remember. I had a cat named butch. That was a gift to me by my second wife. Mishna who had a heart problem congenital heart problem and she died when I was in New York and I missed that I missed burying her. You know mission of buried her with the Ernie. The Handyman on back the old house as some you know boomer disappeared many years ago. What a great cat boomer was deaf? Black Cat got eaten by coyotes and SCAREDY cat Yeah the other. Stray was hit by a car out in front of my house. But I just didn't I was. Oh you know monkey in the fonder or my my old friends you know. It's been over fifteen years and as you know Fonda was Got Sick you know about a month or so ago she just. Her health took a sharp turn. She lost a lot of weight and I took her to the vet and the vet to you know told me that she had a bladder infection but her kidney numbers were horrible. They were all in the red and she was sort of on her way and I I said well what do we do. He said well you know she's not. I don't think it's time but the end of this is not good and you can give subcutaneous fluids and you know do what you can to make uncomfortable. But it's not good but you know when you hear that as an owner of a cat you like well maybe she could just level off always knew she probably had bad kidney she drink an awful lot of water and you know that had been going on for a while. I noticed that she had been losing a little weight but but he he was like just you know do what you can you. Yeah sometimes he can get another year out of them. You don't know but the DOC said you know look if she starts sewing up or she starts getting diarrhea that then. That's the time you know and then I was. I still wasn't clear. Are you know because you know some people say well as long as she can you know accept love or give love or you know if she's conscious you know she doesn't seem to be in pain you know why not keep her around. I thought wow okay. She's getting a little loopy. She's old and got this kidney sickness but maybe this is just who she is now. She lost most of her strength most of her. Will you know but you hold on. You know because she was still sweeping with me and you know we could touch her still and And she still seemed to like it but she was very weak and losing energy and and then like people a couple of people. Said you'll know you'll know when it's time because she'll tell you and I didn't really know what that meant and sure enough like Thursday. She assisted stopped really stopped eating. You know and and threw up a little bit but she was acting bizarre you know she was drinking awful lot of water. She couldn't get enough water and then she tried to. Ah she started to try to get in the toilet and she was acting weird and she tried to get in the bathtub and she's in the shower and and she was just crying and howling all the time and and she was doing weird shit like trying. It was almost like you know when you're sick and you're just trying to make yourself feel better. You looking for something that'll make you feel better if felt like that. Just howling all the time and she wouldn't didn't eat and she wouldn't drink and it was you know and I guess that's what I what I thought she was telling me. I thought she was telling me. Yeah I was GONNA have the youth in Asia at home stuff but I might fuck it. I'm just I'm taking her to the vet because I want to know what's up you know. She's howling all the time. She's in pain. She's not eating drinking. Threw up. Yeah but I knew what was going on. Her kidneys were gone. You know and but I didn't want to accept it and I kind of knew when I took her to the vet that I was not going to leave with her. You know and but I want him to see the I got a good vet over there gateway this new guy over there. Dr Modesto Dr Ram to Modesto. Just you know He. He's the one that diagnosed her and I was glad he was there and I put her in the cage. She didn't fight it all. She was just limp. You know and so fragile and so light. There was nothing thing tour and I was sort of like just waking out of this Hayes of trying to savor in really knowing in my heart that there was no saving her. You know so I brought her in and he waiter she lost weight she was like five pounds. and Um I said we do Kidney Tasr. Maybe she's got the UTI again or the bladder ladder infections. So I I don't know. And he looked in her eyes and they were sunk in. He said his she had anemia. Her gums were white and I told him what was going on and I said I was doing a the the the subcutaneous three days a week. And he's like how can she be the this dehydrated if you're giving that much. And he conferred with the other doctors and he just said. I think it's time in a Mike seriously really kind of knew I knew I knew that it was and I said okay. Okay and he goes the need a few minutes okay. Lynn came. We were there and like you know I took some time. I talked to the cat and I apologize is the cat and I said you know this is the right thing you know. I know some. You're like it's a fucking cat. It's a fucking cat but he has cat and I you know whatever man it's just it was. You know had a lot of things with a lot of memories with this cat was you know and and I knew it was the right thing to do and he he came back in and I said he said you don't have to. You want you want to be here. Do you want him like yes. Yes this is what I'm doing. You know I want to be here I want to I. Don't I want her to feel abandoned or more freaked out than she already is and he said okay. We'll put a catheter on her. And we'll come back in so they did that. They came came back in and I was holding her. You know like she's weighing on the table and then the catheter and then the dock. It took them a long time to get the medicine because they have one guy back handing out medicine. I guess he's got these two syringes and I was just holding. My cat you know win was kind of holding me but I I I was holding the cat and You know and I was just saying it's it's okay. It's okay. I'm sorry I love you. You know and I which concerned that you know. The the tears would income you know. And they They definitely did and he put the the first one is a tranquilizer into shuttered down. You know just right really very quickly and I go she. She's out wire is open she she she just sweeping what's happening on. I was kind of panicking and crying and telling the cat. It's okay and then I go do the other one. Let's just do it. You know it's just too and he did it and it was very quick and very painless. and He. Just you know put this this goes stethoscope honor and said she's gone and I just was kind of crying tailing the cat and she was gone. She was gone and you know that was that so we hung out there for a few minutes and I told them I. I wanted to ashes and you know and they took her away and that was that you know and and I was. I was the guy you know I was the crying man. Leaving the vet's office you know with an empty carrier you know that was me and I tell you you know some people feel guilty or that. They waited too. I just feel like it was the right thing to do with at the right time at the right moment and glad I could do it for and I was glad to be there for it was it was terrible and beautiful. You know it was. It was really really. You know really fucked fucked me up but I just you know she was a piece. You know the peace because at some point both of your quality of life you know the cats and yours are deteriorating. When you're desperately trying to keep them alive and she didn't suffer too much? Whatever the discomfort was was it was the beginning of it and the dog thinks that her kidneys just went and that was the end of it? So you know. Rip Fonda. And I was happy to be there and she had a good life. Ah so that's that and I thank you for being supportive and for all the outreach him for the recommendations of how to handle this you know how to do a home euthanasia in what to do and you know different approaches to the kidneys Ed. Thanks for all of your input okay. Now I'm going to do an ad and not be all weepy for a second. Okay can I do an ad. I actually feel like I might get in trouble for doing this ad because is I'm in Atlanta. It's almost twenty twenty people. Take the opportunity to celebrate whenever you can whether you're celebrating your favorite team the movies or TV shows. Oh you of live music that you can't live without celebrate. All of it and Went Pepsi help you take all of those celebrations to the next level. It's the end of the year so there's lots of shows IOS and movies to catch up on their championship games. Happening in the New Year live performers will start their twenty twenty tours. When it's time to celebrate folks it's time to crack open a Pepsi Pepsi? 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It's really something else in the movies. Good and this says me talking to Jay Roach back in the House J. Yeah you wrote. You wrote a bike over here. How long you? How long ridden a bike? I've been riding motorcycles. Since I was a kid I really. I don't know if you your dad. Bet You he did. But only on the dirt. I grew up in Albuquerque. I know I did. I ran into you and you tell me Yeah I remember. I was listening to you and Mike Judge. Oh yeah talk about your youth and I was like what he does that guy. That's my youth like I was amazed. How many similarities? Just the. How much are you older the me? How old are you? I'm sixty two so I'm fifty six. Yeah you were there. You are went to highland right onto highland graduated in eighty one. Yeah I graduated in seventy five from Eldorado. Oh yeah see your member man. Oh the whole thing just the cruising around where to go McDonald doing donuts out in the dirt and not my. My my thing was the motorcycle I just had a dirt bike and just it was. It was in my garage being taken apart more than it was being written. But I I would get out out on that bike and my dad would let me run in the street so I got a street bike. Finally when I went away to college and I haven't stop. I did stop when I had kids and I kind of parked it for quite right well and fear or what out of my wife's the look on my wife's face every time I come back like she wanted your you know like what are you doing in your way too old and you're you know you should be responsible. You have a family now. That's coming from an old rocker. Exactly what's your wife's name. Susanna Hoff's fan VIP bengals angles. Yeah they didn't get fucked up as the go go's did they on I don't think so she's she's she's got some stories in good stories. Yeah but I don't walk like she did not She wrote eternal flame and Prince wrote manic Monday. And those are the sort of the big big hits. The song on the first album live. Yeah yeah the pearsons mostly doing the singing Vickie and Debbie. I like to lick. Yeah right yeah I remember that. Yeah absolutely yeah. They're Ricky's a good guitar player. So all right so albuquerque. Though in the seventies the general store general store on university campuses posts reserves here frontier man. That's I used to hang out there all the time. My my friend was later in volumes in college you would performance civic light opera. All the time Popejoy Hall you know we would go. He was a he was a song and dance man the lawyer their musical news your friend. He's a lawyer now. Circus Pierce I might have been gone by the time. Some of the stuff you guys went through but but I just sounded like it hasn't changed that much out of their seventy five. You're out by seventy yeah. Yeah where'd you go. I went to Stanford I lived. I was born and raised raised in Albuquerque. Lived there my whole life never left. You know rely got on a train or did you. What part of town did you grow up in Albuquerque? I grew up Up by Lomas and candelaria. Would you do what we doing. My Dad worked for the Defense Department. He worked at Sandia. You know people do which is is affiliated with Los Alamos livermore and he. He was a bomb builder. He knows. Yeah Yeah Yeah. He's like an engineer. Mechanical medical engineer he was involved in. He would go underground Vegas Nevada test site. Install a device that would read the force of the past costs and then go back in after the blast. Then come come back so it was in Los Alamos. Oh I know who it was mostly just and the Nevada test site but he was this you know radiated a bunch times we had a whole. There's a whole story about what my dad went. Through to to build. Hydrogen bombs wait like the original ones. No Oh like an late fifties sixties and all. I think I don't remember Hebrew SORTA retired. Wasn't that like did he go into the mountain was intere- hollowed out. Mountain in that Holiday Mountain is on the property of Sandia Federal Reserve there. And it's an albuquerque punk or full of nuclear stuff stuff you fly over it's real and there's like three fences that you know. My friends used to hunt around that mountain. When I was a kid we're sitting at one of those diner's down along the freeway and looked up and a plane crashed into that mountain and everyone was afraid for a little while like the whole places is going to turn into a nuclear? Oh and some a fair number of soldiers died. I think it was like a scene one thirty or something that crashed and we saw the plane hit. It was always a it. Was that mountain. was such a mysterious weird kind of a monument to nuclear activities. All sort of mythic. Yes but Joel Man told you about it eventually. Eventually he could talk a lot about some of it once. It was declassified once the Cold War was over which he takes credit for ending with with Ronald Reagan. Can you know in Reagan pretty much. What does he say we? We brought down the rush there. Were they buddies. Not Really he was my dad was I. Ted worked his way up from really from nothing. He didn't go to college and he he just drew and they hired him as a draftsman and he taught himself to to to draw mechanical drawings and they and then he just kept he actually turned himself into a full-fledged mechanical engineer without a college degree which is pretty impressive. Crazy with your mom. Do she was. It's she was a housewife. Should you know either four little kids. By the time she was very twenty four twenty five. She's a handful and then after I left she became name the administrative assistant at the high school where I went Eldorado High School Eldorado high. Yeah it was. It was a brand new school remember. Yeah where it is. It was brand new island had been around forever and highland was always our big rival because they always had a good football team gene. We're terrible basketball teams but really good. Football teams and highland was always when we after a basketball game with highland. When my my best friend Chris and I actually were standing outside and everyone's used to be so many fights after games? That's all people knew what to do. We got just got literally just knocked over kicked for awhile. Wasn't we weren't injured. But I was looking back. I have my. There's a lot of stuff that went on the was vaguely traumatic. which you probably didn't even we didn't probably even get involved with sports words much but driving around? I mean you got your driver's license when you're fifteen. Fourteen forty eight month for Learner's permit. Yeah I mean it's like what are you going to do and then half of yeah. Most people have guns out there and they're just riding around Dick and off drinking getting people to buy your booze outside of a liquor store you got at the same fake. Id We got that thing where you at a big picture in mind in. Somebody takes it out literally. I was listening to you guys talk about in your experience as I was saying. Is that just just like it's just been going on there for decades. But did they will they. It's like they didn't make the they didn't secure the the. How do you like that coffee? It's all right that's excellent. They didn't secure the identification like they had it all kinds of different things on with the light but back in the old days you could it was pretty easy to fake him. I was your school good. Did you because I was actually thinking about this. The other day that my public schools like a good you know testament to the quality lady public school. The teachers were good. And I you know I feel like I lucked out for because I talked a lot of people. In some of the other schools there are in fact one of my friends is a principal at element as an elementary school. There are known People don't see it as a great school system in New Mexico. I felt lucky. I must've gotten I think if you're lucky if you're if you lock him with Teachers Yeah Yeah. I don't know why there's a couple teachers that were pretty horrible. A couple of drunks my electronics teacher. He was kind of a Junkie Guy and my English teacher was kind of a little off but then there was another English teacher that I really connected with the history teacher connected with and then when I didn't it's really a crapshoot. But they built this amazing state of the art art department over it to highland where in my last year and they had this full high tech dark room. It was like I just was it was crazy so I was really kind the dark room the last year. So but That's what happened to me at college is funny so that too I. I was pre law studying economics and I found out there was a dark room in the basement of my dorm senior year. And that was it that was the end of pre law. Like started shooting pictures. Decided I was going to be a camera person. That's that's interesting so okay. So what are you the youngest of your siblings. I'm the oldest. o You are. Where's everybody else? Anyone still in Albuquerque My Dad's still their minds around and my mom's around too but they're both in living but different parts of my mom's southern Colorado and so they weren't married day were married. They've stayed married all this time. It it just the health reasons doctors have ended up. They were in separate places and they are now and my brother is a culture they both cognizant. Yeah yeah they're they're are actually supportive of each other from afar. They kind of have a funny long distance. Taxi Florence Really. I know it is. It's it's interesting my mom has Sort of she stood has a specific type of immune system thing and gets better care up there and you WANNA leave out. because he won't leave. He has great house house looking up at the sand is up off of tramway and he just did they facetime facetime a lot. They accidentally okay a lot. Get buzzed. You know they facetime is a really great thing for granted. And your and your siblings ones in Albuquerque. None of them the other one is. Is that one. My next brother down is A Pack Train Guide and Wyoming has always been like a wrangler of some sort up there. he's a cowboy and my my brother truck driver and really we grew up in a kind of Texas rancher household. My Dad was in the suburbs but it had grown up in out in a very rural Texas and still thought of himself as a cowboy and all my at least my two brothers became very very outdoorsy. Your brother rides rides horses and yeah in yellowstone leads you know. Now he's leading National Geographic scientists into study wolves or some really cool life trackers and he's like he tracks them he knows. I once went mountain biking with them back in there. He does that two tours and he has to carry a forty four MAG documentary. That's where it should be about your brother. Yeah he's Great. He's amazing and then the other one truck drivers there's another one. My sister is a she just moved Colorado closer to my mom but she's been a paralegal and Serbia estate later. stunned a bunch of different things. It's crazy in your film director. Yeah I was the I was always the weird kid because everyone my family family would just you know just working people and as I said my dad we started raised in a lower middle class environment and I just had a you know I got I was. I was sort of driven a little type. A. Running around your motorcycle on my motorcycle motorcycle to get away from it all but I was also. Do you know very focused student. A lot of student government stuff really high school. Yeah uh-huh and sports. I was trying to do everything and it's been kind of a a bit of a problem. It's just been sitting so scattered and interested and curious about everything so it's actually done. Let's go get into Stanford I did. Okay but when I got to Stanford I realized I think they just let me in because no one else applied from New Mexico. They really actually have a a like go up that they represent all fifty states so I think it was a regional affirmative action really. Because I I didn't have great. I really good grades and good a You know sort of student resume or whatever but I my my sat scores. Were not not great when I got there and everybody was like perfect eight hundreds kids and whatever and I was like Oh man. I'm Outta my league here. I hustle. Man I mean it's I seen and so it's the mid seventies so things are pretty heavy still bill very groovy post. Sexual Liberation Pre AIDS. So that there was the pocket pocket Fo- sexual revolutions pre AIDS pocket. Good a lot of a lot of Exploring on from coming from Albuquerque. Just into a big you know a a sort of sophisticated coastal place like that was I was very out of my element for a long time there. And there's always sort of trying to just catch up drug guy I didn't I smoked a fair amount of marijuana but I didn't. I wasn't so much into much else because I would drink beer with my friends. I was never I was never I I just. I didn't love the you know that I didn't join a Frat or anything like that and I. I wasn't for anybody. It seems like most people you talk to the frats. You almost always ninety nine percent of the time you go like I can not that I. I was tempted just because I love to play basketball and Bryce sports part but what J. I have living with dudes. I lifted a co Ed dorm. They didn't let you think about it in freshman year so Living in with just cool women it was. It was also an interesting time for the Women's Liberation Movement. You know and there's a lot of very strong cool women who are. Are you asking a lot of questions and pushing things than I growing up. The way I grew up in a pretty male you know be be via strong and all that stuff you know from the Texas rancher mentality which is you know it. There's a certain nobility in it but I I started kind of drifting Politically away from some my dad's ideas and I'm actually working now on a Kent State Thing to try to do a limited series about week really. Yeah with Tina Phase Company actually because her husband. Jeff Richmond lived Kenneth the time but I remember that one thousand nine hundred in the thirteen years old yet but was he at the time of the shootings in nineteen seventy kid. Yeah he goes to school later there too. I think think if I'm not mistaken but he definitely was there. When he was ten years I talked to mark Mothers Boban? Yeah Oh that's so interesting. I just met life night before last year. I said you gotTa talk to mark. And he was like there there he was there there. Joe Walsh Joe Walsh about it. We've talked to Joe to and it's a really compelling so much more to it than you just know from the photograph like you don't get anything like that the whole account within like they called in the fucking tanks absolutely You know it was a four day process. That led up to the Monday when they when they shot the kids. That sounds very compelling you like what do you think six episode five six episodes. You know what made me think we were trying to do as a feature on the chur noble and I was like you could tell the story like a meltdown of a system. You know and try to analyze all the different forces that End Up with kids carrying rifles of live of ammunition who are avoiding the war by being in the National Guard shooting other kids who are protesting the war in just in just inexplicable series of fuck ups. You know that led to this this sash and then what happens after the shoot them with a really compelling story is they're they're down the whole campus is gone nuts out about it and they're like suddenly went from like three or four hundred protests. Thousands of them and they have National Guard is reloading voting right to go back in and out in the story of this one professor who avoided as the semi cellists working on it with you said you know this thing about this is not that it happened happened that it could've there could have been a lot. More people killed afterwards is really the powerful story. Geico town get involved absolutely started in the in the town. It started on Friday night right after Nixon said they are going into Cambodia. There was a riot in the town and there was a town gown tension all the time anyway right so anyway it's a really compelling story and up but it but the reason I brought it up is that that's when I remember my dad saying I feel like the students might have deserved that you know that was that was sixty percent of America thought needed polls. That blamed the students for what happened and most of the students that were indicted. I not not the guard and until the more and more photo evidence came out and then there was a big thing but sounds like you're pretty deep into the process. We've interviewed a ton of people and it's going to be like A. Is it going to be a documentary. Type is no no more like a docudrama more like Chernobyl. Did you see that so. Good careful with the costumes. Oh yeah good. Point at the seventy closer to to not have them look who truly having having could show you pictures that would be from nineteen seventy. I mean they look so cool but it's up for some reason. It's so hard some of them. Do you know it's so hard to get it right. You know a When you fictionalized absolutely so how do you get a you know you start at Stanford Imprio- and how you direct big movies? I mean it seemed like kind of come out of nowhere. In a way I was late. I was late to that Nancy. You said that you started doing photography at it. Started in photography argosy and was working there on a right at the beginning of Silicon Valley really during the You know during the this be graduated seventy got nine and worked there for two years running an instructional television thing for the School of Engineering at Stanford that was beaming out to Hewlett Packard. After you graduate. Yeah after I graduated. Where did you have experience working in television? Just these. I worked my way through school. Had to have all these work study jobs and I was running little classrooms. Where you'd have three cameras in a booth and joysticks and a little richer and just kind of capture and record the professor's class but beaming through out to these remote note Silicon Valley companies? Where you so? You could get a master's degree in electrical engineering while you're being employed at packer. Hacker was a service offered by the school. Or is it someone that that Silicon Valley set it up to sort of hub out. So that's a huge huge part of how Silicone Valley Edgy Network itself Yup and and got educated. It was a big part of that. Actually so I worked there and they let let me shoot some documentaries and then played. USC Film School. You shot some documentaries and when little tiny short films and this is after college for for two years or two years in Palo Alto Shirl Otto and but working on campus And Not really sure what I was going to do but I got to. It was I had so many work study jobs. Like cleaning sound heads in the documentary program. I asked I meant some cool documentary. Cameron the apple and thought I'M GONNA applied film school so I applied to USC and Got In there and then helped them run their. They had a similar kind of engineering school network. And so I worked my way through doing more of that. Were these classrooms and doing these engineering courses. Because there's no Internet. This sounds like why would do that. But that back then it was sort of like a an amazing thing that yeah it was like a one way facetime. Actually actually because you could see the professor but you could then. There's two way audio so you could push a button and get right into the classroom with a question. I always hear the off. Campus People Kalaheo beginning. Well it was. It was a job you know but he had a camera component to it you got through. USC I mean yeah. Yeah and then I did. I took you know. Started getting the the directing bug at your son went through camera person but it's a narrative narrative storytelling because George Lucas and John Milius people. Who'd been there? Yeah and so I got the directing bug directed a couple of short films. It's a three year program was an interesting five years of my life that I couldn't I couldn't afford to keep going but so stop outgo backstop out and then and I didn't really get to direct for ten more years after that. The fuck where you doing Jay. I was shooting documentaries. Actually and being a writing system I and being an all around town and teaching I taught I taught him otographer at for seven years. Where that's at? USC You taught him McAfee Kaffee. They hired me right out of school at the teachers. Just happen you that good I was a ta for a long time and took over for a professor who needed needed. Some help and I you know I liked. I liked shooting intern showing other people. I shoot you know. And it was a that was a great threat for directing because I would ask the students to set up a little scenario here a couple of walls of sets and light him and shoot him. And and just edit in camera every every every Wednesday night they would come in too little studio there and and it actually helped me think more about how to shoot an edit by talking about it to kids and what was your first jobs in show business I got. I was a writing assistant for a lot of that time. Where of a company called trilogy? Entertainment that So they made blown away and Robin Hood Prince of thieves and kind of mainstream actiony stuff and they started started letting me right scenes. I wrote the story for blown away the bombs about thing Jeff Bridges and I wrote a pilot for Scifi show. That was terrible ultimately sadly but but it had some promise at the time space rangers and I started just getting permission to keep writing more and more actually turned it myself into into a writer and then I did some weird art films including one film about the psychology of evil with Adolf Hitler as the the weird stylized I I was watching Georgia rabbit could film. It is good and I was thinking back on this time and I was doing a ton of research on the rise of Nazism weirdly and an eye around this time I met Mike Myers and he is a history nut and we started talking about that ad and then he sent me. We saw monty python script. And that's when I started Austin powers and that's when I finally got to start directing these dock sale so why I shot a documentaries that were I would shoot like industrial documentaries on even actually some for the air force shot like footage of F. Sixteens and and at eight tens and just get any job I could get. I was just a working person I was. I was always lived in one room in a seven room house and six other people bowl you know I was. I was like a Grad student for fifteen years. Awfully enjoy met Mike and got to do Austin power so I had a weird very weird I mean but like you just you just see all this stuff. He did anybody meet with Mike. How'd you meet Mike? We started arguing about we are he. You had a guitar. That my signature rickenbacker Susannah. Hoff's guitar I walked at this Zana. Got To know her. She and his wife at the time. I'm Robin Roseanne. Got To be friends and Mike and I just started talking about history and and you were just this guy literally. Just who does these weird. We'll job kind of show business. No promise whatsoever. It's a pretty amazing story because he He talked so much about. And you're already married. I Ge- yeah had been married for a couple years and she loved you. Even though you didn't look like you were going in I was we met on a blind date. I was a I had a old. Vw Bus that will catch on fire about every third time. And I she just she said I'm just I dated a lot of actors there's and you know musicians. And somehow she said to the guy who's actually working with me on space rangers. Do you know anybody. And he'd worked with her and so he he puts together and I literally thought it was a prank. Like I just well. She already huge bangles had already. Had you know all the ninety ninety one they were biggest in the mid eighties. Yeah so Yeah so we we She sort of helped get together with. Mike Myers his and he got me to write up some notes about a script. And after that said we look for directors it does and I was combing through other people's directing real. I found a guy liked and said Oh you should go with this guy. This is after Wayne's world axe murderer Wayne's swirl tubes after all started looking for someone that he could sort of just collaborate a little more closely instead of just someone who would just direct them in push. You couldn't really show him any real knife being nothing in fact when I when he took me into new line cinema and Suzanne Todd the producers that I a had known since school also very involved in this he and and my wife and the Todd Sisters had put me up for the job without telling being me and said we want Michael Things guy would do based on this twelve page document. I wrote the Hudson but a lot of jokes in it and yeah and So I set with the studio people because I said he was the guy he said. Why put you up for I said what are you talking? I don't have any background. And that's the studio guy. said he said who are you. We're not GonNa GonNa just hire Mike's Buddy you're not funny you don't have any. You haven't directed anything I said Mr Shea Mr Bob and I totally get that but we take a look at the storyboards sequins and I worked out this whole thing with the FEM bots that hadn't been in their original script and and it was really funny. I must say it was a great thing and I got a story artist. A- and I was acting at all Mike I kind of helped me perform it with him and they hired me to do it and they actually didn't right away. Mike had to say if you you said we're not gonNA hire this guy and he said I tell you what don't call me anymore unless you hire this guy. And they were sending him like big time directors this Cj. Mike and went to bat for you went to bat for me and it took a few more weeks and he called me. He just jumped into the swimming pool with his dogs. You could hear with all his clothes on. His wife told me the story and he called me and I could hear this crazy racket in the background DR splashing embarking. And you said you got the the job you've got the job he had he. was you know so ham plus the Todd Sisters of credit because they really helped to but Mike Freakin fought like a crazy person. And at the time with not the most power in the world you know the the first one. The first Wayne's world is huge but he was he was an actor and just finding like crazy for me and came his guy there for a while the Austin powers. Yeah I did. And he's like notoriously Tori sleet control. Freak and I. I've talked to him but he's not easy right. He's he's cares a lot about what he's doing and and I think I get misunderstood. Understood sometimes is being difficult because he just fights like crazy through him to be difficult. But I mean you must have learned a lot I some level because he wanted take his way right I feel like I learned comedy Working with them I didn't really. I honestly didn't know that much about how to. I didn't know comedians. The only written I've written screenplays by then all series all either by right but I think Sifi free not not a freak but I it was. You know I've read Dune all the heinlein stuff you know I but I wrote in science fiction I got to do some. Sifi adoptions for Bruce Willis and And so I did nothing they got made a book called Ambient uh-huh and I adapted it for Brusca was about a post apocalyptic World Manhattan that's been flooded and you can only get to the different skyscrapers which are now. Like castles astles through bridges across the tops of them. Bruce plays a plate of would've played a bodyguard. So whenever you went down into the no man's land he would be. The guy would escort the cherry the warlords or the or the pharmaceutical need that guy. It was a great concept but so when he say he did it for him you were hired by his through again. Suzanne Jennifer Todd who I'd known as film school were producers for him and I I. I'm pretty I like telling stories so I would go in and do this dance of pitching something and I could often convince people. I'm pretty Gung Ho about those kinds of stories. When it's something really loved and he he said Okay I'll try it and he really liked the script but it never it was? It was expensive and and I never really. I don't think I nailed the third acts so I never got to make it but but that's how you know that's the kind of stuff I had been doing right before I met Mike and no no conduct in it whatsoever and so getting I really learned. Mike is kind of an Encyclopedia of Copying. If you've ever talked about how he's got got a very worked out sense of what's funny. Why it's from from working with Lauren? A lot from working with del close from from right. really studying comedies. He's a genuinely serious student of comedy. I wish he would either like do a masterclass or write a book about it because Ah. I don't think I've ever spoken anybody who articulates just considerations the things that make lake something funny. Actually you can kill kill comedy but you're talking about it too much but you know some some things like the the power of you've of clear setup making sure Everything is not fuzzed or the cameras moving at the wrong time and and it's all You know just the power of a of a Ming. Sure that by the time the comedies to be delivered to mechanical. But there's no there's nothing that could do get in its way so simplistic but it was. You'd be surprised. How many especially in previews you'd find the reason that didn't work is because you know that design somehow gotten away just the power drafted? Yeah exactly yeah. Things can kill jokes. Yeah use it until jokes or whatever it could be any variety just like the way to avoid messy at upshur. It's partly just because he would know what was funny. He was just like don't don't have something as part as could get sort of. Those movies are sequences of jokes. Really there. They are there also the other thing he taught me was that You know and this is from. Lauren is just just that you know. Talk Up to people. Don't talk try not to talk down me. Make it clear but don't make it look like talking and talking and he really cares about story he cares about the predicaments the Because a lot of times those things are the engines for comedy You know to what what is the what is at stake. Why does this matter to this guy? Why why is the fact that he's completely not in Austin powers case the difference between how he sees himself and what his capabilities really hard? So vast the James Bond movies I did but I I actually was forced for him or at least my influence. I think was more to try to not ought parody as much as gopher the style of Pop art movie is an Old Italian heist movie. We we camp the tenth victim. You know yeah yeah not yet to not but to go for. That style. Could be funny because I guess that is camping. Push it a little correct but that can be sure. And he's you know he just easiest knows that stuff and I split then I got to go off and do other comedies. Meet the parents of those. Now how did meet the parents come up. How did that happen? I was the Austin powers that help get you that job. I saw that it. Actually Austin Empires helped me not get that job at first because I found that script after Austin powers but universal studios and producer. Then Nancy Tenenbaum. who had had? It said we don't want it to be silly like from their minds. Austin which is pure silliness. We want this to be real so I lost meet. The parents winded mystery mystery. Alaska had had it that movie about hockey move with Russell Crowe and Burt Reynolds and cast. It was a great cast the leader Mitch and Hank Zaria Run Eldar. All this really cool people komeini amazing. It's actually probably my most personal film because it's about a kind of small town sports. The waist can hold small town together when I go around the state of New Mexico play A play I was. I was terrible. I was like the bench warmer on in my football team but I would. We would go to those towns and an experience the life of the town wrapped around football very much like a Friday nights. Right then I saw that when he started doing the research for the hockey thing. That's how in Canada. You know the sold. The town is often hockey rink right. So that's the essence of it is a challenge to that anyway. Crazy cast amazing experience Durance with Russell Crowe and Burt Reynolds. I think it's I thought it was pretty funny. It got bumped because beloved Oprah Winfrey's movie was Wanted the date we had and by getting bumped here. We're previewing really well terms if release date. Yeah and so people Got Lost it got lost came out a year later and nobody uh-huh so it was a good experience to have a nice how I don't understand how you guys can shoulder that shit we and obviously that's a pretty high level example example of it where you put all this time in and you know you make this amazing thing and because of really forces out of your control but nonetheless executive decisions sessions just you know they sideline and we really disappears the movie and someone would have to go out of their way in. Maybe because we just talked about it and that cast and try to find mystery Alaska on I tunes which probably there. Oh Yeah Yeah you know. And it's hockey players find. That's that's a good. There's not many great but this projects like that and people that you think that's happened to me a couple times where you were surprised something you work on in a long time just kind of but but handle that shit in that case I just got busy on the next Austin powers right into the desert. Hasn't anyone go. What the fuck happened? They're coming at me and I'm coming at studios but you might zero power and Russell Crow calling on your cars. Probably calling the studio more than he could. He knew he had more clout That was after L. A. Confidential but before gladiator but he's still was already pretty influential house. Burt Reynolds Nice Guy. He was a great guy but he was in a really interesting interesting place where he had Gotten the Golden Globe for Boogie nights right and then it had come out that he had fired his reps because he'd been embarrassed by boogie nights and he didn't win the Oscar and the night before he was flown down to the Oscars. Names kind of figuring out that he wasn't going to win. I think Robin Williams won that year for Good will hunting. We were shooting on the out on the ice. At like thirty below. And he was o- he got so he got very cranky and he yelled at the at the line producer and then pretty pretty rough did of verbal abuse and and then he felt so bad about it and it was all because he was I think you just you know he'd he was a he was a comeback for you deal boogie nights right and and he realized realized didn't realize it. Yeah he's on our set and he he wants to go and I'm shooting. You know huge seen in a locker room with Russell Crowe and all these all these hockey players and it's the coaching scene scene. Where he's supposed to Brussel bird supposed to be the? He's the judge who then gives Russell the strength to keep going. It's a really kind of funny trophy moment. He get so bent out of shape and I actually stepped between them. I think I feel like it might get violent. I step between him and the line and he feels so bad and he walks back on the mark where he had been giving that speech and and we weren't filming but he starts to do like a long apology policy. That gives his whole history of how he grew up with. How you treat directors? Yeah we used to Robert Mitchum news the HANG director off the balcony buys angles. And and I you know I've been I've been in so many I've been injured so many times. I flatlined Perky Dean. And I'd like this whole it was the most unbelievable twice it was like twenty minutes long mea culpa and what I didn't know is the video tap guy hit record on an AH somewhere. There's a tape of it but hanks's area to this day can deliver that whole speech Because it was so so unbelievable it was one of those moments when you're on a good and it was so good and but so so much about you. Know the sort of damage and actor there has to go through you know and the the complicated psychology of being such a huge star as Bert was. Yeah and and then having the chance at a huge comeback and then have it be so fragile you know just just blew it that somehow I I think so I I that was us all trying to figure out what's going on sort of a breakdown. Yeah it but it was. Also we loved remember. The Guy was a hockey player and the kid said this to the whole set the whole set an all of us now. He's had his all out now now. It's a big deal. And he's actually now on that mark lit just like he was when he was giving this other big and it was just the most surreal l.. And kind of amazing and moving moment. It was an apology. But it was an apology for everybody for making a scene for losing losing shit in front of all of the whole crew and we all love the. The tension was broken by some. You know one kid hockey players something like at the very end. I think you'll be all right Bert or something. The pig places went crazy should as laughing really. Wow so that was the movie before. Meet the parents so that was the movie before the second from you and then I came up while I was gone. I got a call saying. Hey from a guy at Spielberg's company I said You know we slip that script to you. told us about to Stevensville where he's going to direct it now and Jim Carey is going to be in it and which which meet the parents you know. An I couldn't bill Burr GonNa Direction suddenly Spielberg who is going to direct it He had it for about two. who months and then? He decided that maybe he was didn't WanNa he'd done. Nineteen forty one. He was a little nervous about doing. Just Com- YOU'RE EH still still tender about nine hundred forty one never quite get over that is so he He kind of later. I know but that's how he explained it to me because he stayed involved even just for saying he was gonNA Director for one I got I did get back on it. Jim Jim Carey through through Jimmy Miller. I think you know was JIM's. Jimmy's gyms manager and my manager to and so Jimmy's your guy. Yeah John's my manager for a long time and Since then actually since before since the first Austin and he He You the having. Because he could put me Jim Carey then I got to get back on it and and Jim Carrey fell off and I always wanted Ben Stiller so we got Ben and then you're you're acting buddy deniro came on and then that made it go and I was my second. You know a series of comedies was. The meat played his wife Gwen. It's MOM Blythe Danner. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah and and then it wasn't until the second movie where he got. Hoffman strikes dries Brazi Yuppie. Yeah big cast with your movies nearly killed me because they they set the release date before we had locked script for meet. The Falcons the fockers and the money on the budget on that was so big and just paying those actors tangles actors. Who of course deserve to pay the first one did really well in the second one you I did I did well? And so they and once we had the idea that we could get dustin and Barbara as a as a counter to two so crazy crazy. Yeah we then we knew we could get going but it we started it without correct me started with seventy pages. I had to walk on the set every day saying they don't Worry Academy award winners of of various. Yeah I we'll figure it out but I did not think we were going to figure it out and we just kept shooting and finally figured out. Who Hires Randy Newman for those things? I think he just into music. For Noah Baumbach. Did he did an extraordinary extrordinary. I Still Watch that movie. He I heard me say that music elevated that movie. It's really and it does. I mean I like the story anyway but it the music really is is a big part of it. If you watch meet the parents and you see how great that the kind of just normal almost sitcom plot and really really good acting and meet the parents. I really proud of the acting story. But it's you know it has a works at a level and then add randy Newman's These beautiful choral arrangements arrangements and this kind of whenever Ben Stiller screws up these. I always say the angels would sing because he's he's so doomed he's like completely engineering engineering his own humiliation. And that's when the that's when great. Randy Newman music would kick in and suddenly make it seem Now when you when you work with them you give Randy Randy notes. You just let him have a pass on his own. How does that work randy works? There really specific way he he he. I just came and watched the filming of laughing really hard. That was. I didn't think he really he might actually do this. And He liked it and then he yeah he just said when you're finished let me know and he you didn't a lot of composers now will be working with you along the way and mocking things up. I just delivered the film. He we talked a little bit of. We did a spotting session. We we did did a Lotta temps. We we actually do pretty great soundtrack with other people's music and he said I don't like that because then it seems to steer them steered by the that. We're trying to vibe and some composers are asked to knock off whatever you've used an attempts and he actually said I I I'd like to hear it. And then he heard all the music we put in some of it was. Tommy Newman stuff. Some of it. was you know other. No his I think he's his cousin. Tom Newman I can't remember the direct. He's a whole family of the new ones are all David Newman. And Alfred Newman was alpha or the uncle i. I actually lost track of their family tree but the fact that his father was a tough guy is what he loved about. This movie was the Deniro. Hard ass thing. That didn't that Stiller has to and and also still are you know typically I mean playing himself as a kind of bullshit artist and a guy trying to just wiggled way through with with this girl is out of his league and Blah Blah Blah. But he randy took it really seriously and and you just give it to us given the phillies all the Tempe says I love it. I'm not going to do anything like that. Ah which is all the music and he took it away and he just sits at a piano. He called me one day on forgetting called and started playing this. This smelly for the song that became the fool in love which actually got nominated for an Academy Award Ed and he's just play on fire. I'm like zoo. Listen to this brand new planning on on the phone to me right now and In the end credits Susannah my wife. Andy Sing a duet in French. This song and they ended up doing doing it together on the Academy Awards as well. That's really cool. And but he elevated in every way and the movie just seemed smarter because that arranged. He's the Best I love. That guy's Best I. I got to do a musical with him. I pitched him a musical recently. A political a big political musical gotten back I record was kind of a political all his. Yes the Putin Song Great. What's that other record credited that had a great nations of Europe and I love him? I I gotTA watch this new Noam having watched. It's good. It's good it's good films now. It's crazy yeah so like you do like dinner. which marks a I don't remember I don't think I saw it? I'm sorry no that was another one of those films that not a lot of people saw so you wouldn't be alone not sure why I'm not sure either. It was a great cast Steve Carell and Paul Rudd and Zach. Galifianakis is really funny and retested it test as well as meet the parents it was like we were like. It's a great example of testing. The title is what killed us in the reviews and it was a remake of French film. Beloved France Fromm called Lithuania doco something I think is the title of Air Film. And we've we've got people. The critics really hated that we were remaking this French film and then Oh really so in between you started the They started a political things. We Count Ryan has a big show. That was aimed. Change goes our big Sydney Pollack Group brought me into do Recount account because he got sick. And that's the cancer. Yeah Yeah did you. Did you get to spend time with him. I did and I've known him before he'd kind of been a mentor. Figure for me a talked about serious films but I hadn't done anything so once again he said just come in and he He's a guy that I admired for. Just serve serve the story. Don't you don't feel driven to and you see this all. He had such a wide variety of films. You don't have to impose some signature style. Just just just admired that. He his style fit the story and and he also loved actors so much as an actor himself I love I love him as an actor. Yeah he's great great well now and So I mean it's just that's a fantastic performance. He was your buddy and he. He was a buddy and just like comedies. But he said you know you are you tired always talked about politics and he was GonNa do that film at kind of Danny Strong wrote it and they'd started working count. Yeah uh-huh and he got sick and and He just all he had done. Prep was cast Kevin Spacey and they picked big show was an HBO. Yeah yeah a big fan I I just I told me listen. I've got some weird news. I'm fighting this disease and I think I can beat it but I need to take it over and I was like no kidding so I I did and he died the day after it opened on. HBO The day after it came out. HBO but he he watched cuts what's and gave me some interesting feedback all along the way he's amazing he's yeah but you also did a political comedy around the same time campaign a a couple of years after we will Ferrell and Zach Elephant. I think I remember seeing that. Yeah it was goofy Goofy goofy but you know it was was will it was just great will stuff aero feral so zach was really funny too so those are funny people and then and then you did game change Syrup Palin movie yeah and Julianne Moore Come on man no great movie and won both the game change 'em recant a bunch of Emmy's so they were well overseas so now you're sort of in your wheelhouse trumbull now. What happened with trump another film that a lot of people didn't see but it was a great experience experience CRANSTON and did you. How'd you feel about the final cut? I was okay with it. You know I I a It was it was it was there was no. It was the film we were trying to make. There was two scenes that I I'll have to this day torture myself one that I left in one that I took out. I don't know if they would make a huge difference. One I took out. Was this great scene with had a hopper where she sees a soldier you're You know with one arm guy and you start to understand why she was such a right wing. I'm not rile. Because she was so military soldier driven and then the other one was one with with trump oh teaching his daughter about communism which I left in I cut Out The the one armed soldier one and I left in the then I now. In retrospect I might have flipped those two scenes dog you for for a long time. How many people would you talk to you? That new trump. Oh I his daughters. Were the the main people I've talked to that. There wasn't really anybody else. I mean as has as just a director you know. Would you looking for when you when you ask them on the page right. He had the script is there but For example they told us the story John McNamara road. They told John The story about once. TRUMBULL started writing under other names. He had a pretty pretty organized racket where he would Go and pitch his his take on a story to get work sometimes the original but sometimes he would pitch pitch to to be a script doctor but he couldn't be working because he was black and so he would he would use somebody else's name and and Knbr Roman holiday and the brave on huge big board winning films and then he would also to help his other writer friends offer to rewrite anything they screwed up. You know if he would get he was a you pay this guy just something to get him by and guarantee the the results will be good. It may not be as good as something I would right. Because he was the most highly paid screenwriter of his time. He said but I'll I promise you. I'll vouch for them and I'll back them up and rewrite needed for you if they don't come through so we had his daughter's handling that he became a market for kind of I know what you call well like. I go between from between blacklisted writers studio. Yeah the daughters told us all about that and it wasn't in the script and it was really high pressure and high stakes and and there was always They had supposedly like six different phones in the daughters would pick them up under different names the details of that. That's the kind of stuff I always push. The writers are always a little afraid to go and speak to the real people because it blows whatever concept of structure they and also. Then they're going to be bothering you. Yeah and there are going to be. You have to get approval if but it's always been worth it it just just on this film. We just did bombshell to talk to the women at Fox. You know we we were. It would never has been as good as as we turned out. Whatever you think of that? Wha- also all of them talked so they talked to us and when they weren't supposed to you know movies movies about yeah. I thought it was great. I thought and and it has good pace to it and I didn't know the whole story and it's got powerhouse actors in it there so like. How did that story come together for you? Were you attach from the beginning to this. The it's basically the fall of Roger Ailes in got Unfortunately it didn't shut the studio Fox network down. Yeah but it was a big shift in culture over there it was. You know it takes place in a year from Twenty fifteen th summer twenty fifty two summer twenty sixteen it starts with Megan Kelly taking on trump in the primary history. Yeah really and Pointing out all the horrible things he said about women and it goes through you too when Gretchen Carlson. WHO's been recording all this abuse for that whole year ends up getting fired and sues him and then it's a Megan Gretchen? Overlap overlap because it's not until Megan Kelly steps up that they're able to to take down Roger and talk Murdoch's into into firing him but along the way there's a lot of very interesting twists and turns on. Yeah what I what I what I liked about. It was just that you you. Don't you think you might know. Do do something about what the people at Fox are like what those women might be like everything we found out was like there's so much more to what get got presented in the press and what how they portray themselves and part of it came from interviewing a lot of real people to try to get the essence of what went down. And we we Charles Randolph. wrote a short you know came to me through Charlene. She had been offered it and whether she was going to do it much like the Mike Myers thing she just has sent to me. I gave her some no no I knew from working with her on a TV pilot. Idea that oh I had brought her and she wanted help with that and it was a comedic. Mix tone sort of thing and we've been trying to get that off the ground and we hadn't but we enjoyed the process she she just sent it as a friend and I gave her notes and then she's I don't think she was thinking about hiring me to direct on. She's was the you know the the real active producer on like she was we fell apart. She acted the shit out of Meghan. Cal She's she's amazing actor and she. She transforms herself entirely both physically a lot of makeup prosthetics stuff going on but her accidentally the attitude you know she really went for it but she was she She was also just an incredibly good producing partner on it as well so she brought to you. You don't think she had the intention of direct non so she read these notes. I did another another third of what was the thrust of it I was. She was not sure she should do it. You know she just wasn't sure that you could connect with Megan. Kelly and I said here's why I think you should try because it's a way of talking about this issue of sexual for harassment to people who are Fox News watchers who may not think of themselves as feminists are or may even resent being asked to think about this sort of progressive asked of ID of of women standing up to power. The power and I said that might be a way to. I don't know just connect this conversation across a much wider audience than people might expect. It was possible. And maybe that's a way to be a force for change at least be a a bigger conversation right. so that's how I pitched it to her and she said that's pretty interesting. Would you direct that. I honestly I was totally stunned. I thought she might seem as comedy person but I never thought she had seen me as a someone who could direct her and drama. I think this I was doing the political stuff you did to balance this sort of politics is really about politics within corporate structure it is but it's but it is he's trying actually to be about. It's from the Women's point of view and it's actually about what is it. What's it like to be harassed by INA corporate culture culture? That sort of seems to be part of it but there but turns out this happened a year before the Harvey Weinstein News broke this whole story nails have been doing it for decades and decades but it turns out obviously obviously that pattern is not just a right wing or left wing thing is right. There's managers abuse. It's a man thing and that's that's a cross political Michael thing and we try to emphasize that but all that said there is a singularity with trump his misogynistic bullshit. So you know and and Roy drills and in fact. The Rogers promoting trump that whole time shamelessness and forgiving check power addicted addicted entitlement to buy you know entitlement to loyalty and even in the film we say in his mind. Sometimes loyalty meant sexual favors. You know. But it's also entitled to bully people or just be sort of vaguely colty kind of person who wants to impose their worldview on make you have to reflect back hires and there's such fucking liars and what they'll do to protect their lives you know is destroy I roy so much and some of that is some of that is used to trash. The women who in the story is what happens as soon as someone speaks up. They there's a smear campaign and then there's just this commitment like those scenes where he's with his wife and the stuff coming at him and she's going to side aside when that codependency that turn a blind eye or the sort of like not knowing but knowing business you know and then just the defending the lie. Yeah to the point of ruining people is re kind of it's it's malignant in horrible but it's it's so humid. Yeah that's the fucked up thing about it and I think that you know with go. Plays them with a certain amount of vulnerability just going to say with the way John goes at it too. Not just phone billy but also even sense of humor charismatic guy. He could even be assertive. Father figure to a lot is megan. Kelly was harassed ten ten years before our story and she keeps working keeps getting promoted that whole time once she kind kind of gets out of his line and just stays away from him and then he stops harassing her and she stays in you. Know becomes a star under his guidance but meanwhile meanwhile he's harassing other women you know but there was like that weird interesting part of the script where you get a quick summation of his back story. And why did kind of give him a human foundation much of a monster. He wasn't as much you that you wanted him to get what he got. There was an element of sort of like well. He's damaged fucking person person. Well and that's that's what we hoped would happen is that you would see that. He's actually much better villain because he's so human. And because that's what we're all rounded by these guys you look how many of these people rise to power and control a lot of our lives. You know politics or anything because they're so egocentric that they become super charismatic and fearless like kind of entitled so much shameless than that. We we as a species. These these I guess are attracted to these Alpha male things and I really think it is some of it is a male issue not that there are certainly women who Paul have some of the gets at some of those places in our abusive potentially but it's pretty rare compared to the number of men who are yeah how much that overlaps them with the politics with margot ago Ravi and like all of it was really good now with Margot Robbie character a real person. No she's a composite representing a lot of the women who had had spoken to Paul Weiss or store had told her I'm in their stories but had not come out and they're anonymous and the only way to tell their stories was using a compound. All right well I mean I I thought it was very compelling and I and I love seeing the work and he you know and and learning about this stuff and it was. I think it's good for men to see you. You know I actually talk about how some men come up. Say I kinda thought I understood what this is. And it's there's a sympathy factor. We're lacking empathy. Because we don't live that life and I think that you know when you see a scene like I think the scene that with Margot and John You know where he's you know interviewing her and the way that unfolds where you see the even the sort of just just the power dynamic doc the abuse of the Power Dynamic Khun Shatter a woman. And you can see it happen. I think that's the larger disconnect for men is that you know the woman's in a situation she's being asked to do something that may not be sexually you know contact or even You know it's devious. It's more of a power control things but they don't you know if you don't choose to not do it and you just sort of. I think the pace you gave that the time you gave that to happen was great because you can see her spirit. Get crushed that's exactly right compromise. She decided to make because she didn't know how to say no when she felt that if she did she would she would then it would be detrimental to her career. And it's exactly what you we heard from women. We talked to that he would push them a little bit and a little bit more a little bit more until they're over crossed the line. They never thought they would cross. And you see it interface. Oh Man I I was just kind of he do this thing like make women they call. Beware the spending would make them stand right and give them Ryan out there wardrobe. Whatever she thought that's what it was about and then it slowly gets worse and worse until it so far and then it's like Oh my God I've gotten to this position and now he has the secret unit? He knows you'll keep because you won't she. She's not going to. She's not GonNa WanNa talk about this now. There's shame involved and he. It's an incredibly weird creepy crafty manipulation to sort of groom someone into now being in his cult of not that uncommon within the the range of toxic exit masculinity. I feel like it's surprisingly common. It's you know our film. There's so much more to talk. Talk about in terms of how how widely problematic that's really is sure it's It's the tip of the iceberg in this one. This is interesting using because it was a year before again before optimizing. These women came out Gretchen. Carlson it's pretty amazing for coming out with no no with no expectation of a public support system like that. Isn't it not that everyone is GonNa feel supported by the metoo movement now but back then no chance of that especially against it's such a powerful guy and the opposite chance attack you yeah and powerful smear campaign hit squad that will come out still. Yeah Yeah Yeah I mean I. I was working on a bit about that how there's a toxic masculinity spectrum that I think most men are on really where like that at the at the far end of it is like just basic insensitivity and lack of conscious backed and that and then the other side of it is murder. You were well. I'm right it's not wrong. There's some I've been reading a lot of literature in this field and that's exactly right. It's that it's that incentive entitlement title moment. There's nothing more dangerous than a a a wounded ego of a person who felt they were entitled to the Woman's attention and men in this case you know he was punishing women and appearance of your way but allies way generalized sense of that with certain continues. Yeah Yeah I think so with the community or these younger people that you know sort of Kind of community feel rejected by women and and and use that to power their hatred and how does spont- and and listen. We're we're men we I I always feel like I'm I'm I'm glad I'm talking about it and I definitely has changed me going out but women know this stuff you know and we're we I'm I think Women that talked it's about our fillmore glad. We're making it but it's also like I have always nervous about trying to explain any of that I I can sort of Talk about my own position About this huge asshole. I don't think you I know I I was. I definitely was not sensitive enough to what women deal and You know I was. I remember as a young person. Just I don't know just not just not getting what. How what we we do how we behave towards women empathy deficit? Yeah Yeah I think that's an and particularly once it goes up the spectrum towards more narcissistic behavior which is almost by definition of less than pathetic. On chance yeah. A big shift from the empathy deficit is it to the conscience pure evil. That's the narcissistic trip. PINGING psychotic trip. So why why do you. What is because like? You're making a lot of political films now and there they are doing with well. There's there's tribal ism but there's also like here's what what fascinates me is that. How can they be so detached from the actual like the the idea of democracy and tolerance an equality and all that stuff now just about like winning and it's about like it's not like it's sort of like do they know what most people want That's a good question. I think I think there. There is an addiction to power. There's an addiction to being relevant. There's addiction to Feeling like you have your hands on the levers of things and I think it's I think that there starts to be this rationale that okay. We're we may not be serving some some liberal not that nuts necessarily specifically leftie liberal but the idea of liberal democracy. But we'll get there. We'll get back there once we once we win the power to make the world. We wanted to be it will be at American Democratic Founding Fathers. The right is the right thing that it's it's a means you know the end justifying the means but in the meantime they're they've gotten so good at stoking in fear and playing off a fear and and demonizing people on the left that to him to them. It seems like an existential battle. For how within shall we move forward. You know what's WHO's going to be in charge of how it all goes and and let's not let those socialist communist subhuman subhuman lefties so in. When we were doing recounts? We interviewed a lot of the real people who were involved in that story. In one of the Sky Brad Blake men. who had taken credit for engineering? The Brooks brothers riot. which was that was the nickname what they pretended was a grassroots thing? Were local Floridians. Were we're banging on the glass while they were hand counting the votes to decide. If you know in Miami Dade to decide who you know whether whether the election had had been fair or not it shutdown vote. The vote never got to happen because these the local election people decided that it was unsafe all of a sudden and the Guy who took credit for it you know was was this Guy Bradley but the guy who wanted credit for it was Roger Stone in the movie. We have Tom Wilkinson playing James Baker. Walk into the room. When he's I sent down there saying give me Roger Stone who was already a famous dark arts Doodo since Nixon? The news part of the creep world all guys and when we talked to Roger later and and we interviewed both. I got to talk to Roger stone a a couple of years ago but but when we interview Blake when he said we said why. Do you want credit for this like actual unconstitutional behavior. These people are trying to get to the essence of making this election. Feel like it has integrity. You're trying to diminish that. What's what's the upside of that? He said Dude we won. We like winning. And if we don't lie cheat and steal before the left does because that's all the left does is light. She can steal will lose for they believe so they believe that they believe. I believe they've taught themselves that they've demonized you know in their minds that this This fast left wing conspiracy to subvert due to what they think is American At least in these dark arts dude Zia minds and I think it's now this used to be the French guys. Roger Stone needs to be seen as a fringe but now a lot of them had have risen there with the advent of Internet communities fringes. Now the mainstream the fringes the Mason and Donald trump was in the and remember when I was growing up. There were the John Birch who are always seen as the crazy people. That's Donald Trump now makes makes that sort of virtues in the larue. She's yeah exactly and now that now there are now they have the. It's like it's like clockwork orange going back in finding out. Oh now. They're the police. It's dismantling the there. There's sort of dismantling any real barometer of truth or in fact you know through sort of the persistence of conspiratorial thinking and then kind of throwing throwing into question any sort of documentation tation of anything and because Internet moves so quickly and because so many people only take in a fraction of the facts. It's enough to mobilise brains. People are voluntarily are volunteering for pretty good brain fucking that. They're not going to recover from all you need to spread is a little doubt a little confusion and a little little fear as a propagandist. That's if you really want to de-legitimize anything and it's it's so easy to do that. What's hard there's there's a actually even a quote in all the way the Bryan Cranston think from a from an old congressman? LBJ thing the regular that right any jackass can kick a barn earn down but it takes a carpenter to build one you know anybody can kick down the legitimacy of something. Yeah but to to build it up takes years of statecraft statecraft and diplomacy and and commitment to the ideals that all are held together with. Just you know bits of faith in the system. They're not often not stamped. And stone anywhere. And once you start de-legitimizing that and it's pretty easy to do that. And I've been fascinated with the Roger Stone's of the world sort of Wandering Wandering Dark Sim- Samurai killers of institutions. Is the way I look at it. And it's this is what I WANNA do Kent State because because Kent State was the the result of just very negative fear based rhetoric to demonize kids. who were not they were called Communist local outside? Agitators Subhuman browns shirt using. You know they call these progressive people will Nazis to dehumanize them and they were local Ohio kids there were there were no. None of the people were killed or wounded that day were anything other other than just commuter kids from Ohio they weren't it wasn't Columbia Berkeley. It was people that Nixon had called bums and the local governor called. You know a You Know Brown shirts. Whatever you mixing mixing all his metaphors and so- dehumanize those kids that these other kids thought oh I'm just GonNa Anna aim and pull the trigger sixty seven times it was? The name of our thing is sixty seven shots and thirteen seconds and killed four kids and shot. You know a total of thirteen thirteen. So that that's what that's the ultimate conclusion of this kind of dehumanisation as people start to look at other people people as worthy of destruction. You know and that's that's so I think I think it's worth talking about all this stuff so I appreciate you asking me. Yeah and it seems to that. That's the core of your year I'm interested I'm really interested in how bad ideas spread like like what then there's people just walking around shooting Jews Yeah where house idea was that. Yeah that's that's been a bad idea that's been spread for a century Lynch dehumanisation is part of it absolutely rhetoric that enables you know the worst kind of fascism and genocide to happen absolutely absolutely. That's what I love about Georgia. Rabah you know I. I don't know why that foam has got to me. It's all about that it's all about you. Know the way and underway. This little kid is taught to see even keep said a book of all the right minority and stuff yeah so in. Humans are so susceptible to when somebody leaves him. That way. We're gullible when you again if you play to our fears our our insecurities about the truth. You know you can. You can sell a lot of a lot of we'll keep we'll keep doing the good work of being worked there. Thank you thank you okay folks. The movie is bombshell is a nice conversation with that guy is a very decent man. Don't forget there are a lot of things to celebrate these days. In pop culture and Pepsi can take all of your celebrations to the next level whether your favorite show returns for a new season your favorite director releases a new movie. Your favorite band drops a new album album. If you're like me when you're about to go on stage whenever it's time to celebrate it's time to crack open a Pepsi Pepsi. The official sponsor of the NFL reminds reminds you to always. He celebrated no music. 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Episode 1090 - Brian Cox

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Episode 1090 - Brian Cox

"Hey folks from comedy central. Don't Miss Aquafina is Nora from Queens. The new comedy from Golden Globe winner Aquafina based on her life growing up in well. Oh Queens New York unemployed perpetually stoned and living with her dad and grandma. Nora finds herself doing everything from gambling in Atlantic city to selling a haunted a house all while taking her first steps toward independence and out of the shadow of her richest. HELL TECH MOGUL cousin. And if that's not enough. B D Wong Bowen when Yang and Lori Tan Chin are along for the ride as her family. Don't miss the premiere of AQUAFINA. Is Nora from Queens. January twenty second at ten thirty nine thirty central on comedy central all right. Let's do the show all right. Let's do this how are you. What the fuckers? What the fuck buddies these? What the fuck stirs? What's happening? Mark Man this is my podcast. Welcome to it. My guest today is The the amazing actor and veteran actor guys been added for like many sixty years. Maybe he'll tell you I can't remember what exactly he said. But Brian Cox's here. His most recent. Incarnation incarnation is the incredible character. Logan Roy on the HBO series succession which is spectacular. And obviously you know him from everything else. He's done on free for me. It's really I remember him for men Hunter and adaptation and it's just kind of fills itself in he's like. Oh yeah these in that too but but I was really excited excited to talk to him and he and he was into talking. So that's happening. I hope you're well are you. Well are you okay. We're ready. Were were braced were strapped in here to wait to see if This country actually. I think really this impeachment trial or whatever. This circus is going to be or however it unfolds though not being political just observational here. This is not a political show. I am in observational comic. Make an observational person and base my observations on logic and personal experience but If they somehow manage to stifle any witnesses or introduction of documents documents into this trial and also stifle the press from having access to the trial itself. It seems that this is the not the test but this will be a transition into authoritarian government So that we should know within a few weeks how America's GonNa go really that aside. How's everyone doing? I just wanted to put that out there because A.. I whatever you may think of whatever I have to say. Or however you react to the very few instances of me engaging in political discussion I do it. So I'm on record out loud of saying what I've said Whether you agree with it or you find tedious or boring or or you. You think I'm wrong or it's not necessary. I need to know that I spoke my heart on this particular thing so when many of us have to leave I was like I knew that I knew that was happening or look. I am perfectly willing to be be proven wrong. God I I want nothing more than to be called a fucking idiot at the end of this because I was so off base ace. 'cause I'm willing to step out there and I'm willing to make mistakes and I'm willing to say things that I feel. That may turn out not to be true. Speaking of things I found out about myself from back in the day. How about all the way back five or six generations? I'm my episode. Many of you know that I was on finding finding your roots. the PBS. Show with Henry Gates I recorded that a while back and it's going to be on. It's going to be on tomorrow night. Tuesday Okay Night January twenty first. I know it's on. PBS Out here at eight PM. I don't know where it airs near. You probably the same time but the the episode vissel features me. Jeff Goldblum and Terry gross so initially. When I heard Terry was going to be on I thought that the show the theme was interviewers interviewers? But now it's just I think that the subtitle of the show is Three Jews or look at the Jews and we you go back with the Jews but it's similar. The title is similar to that. It's actually beyond the Pale. Pale of settlement was a part tired of Russia. Were almost every Ashkenazi Jew has roots. So I'm very excited about this. I've no idea how I mean. I spent almost three to four hours whereas with gates with this large book that they put together with through mixing research almost investigative research I would say yes. Investigative Instigative Research and they were able to trace my Jewish roots further back than they had ever before told with my dad's fought paternal no line into Russia. They had they found documentation. Like I think six generations back not necessarily information but they they got names they got the named going all the way back. There's some great names to after it airs I will share. Some of the spectacular names can beautiful anyways admitting mistakes in terms of wanting to be proven wrong subject line. Say It ain't so dear mark I've been a fan for a long time. I'm on one of my first trips to New York. My Dad handed me a copy of the arts section from the time and asked me what play our family should see recognizing your name from your Conan appearances as I said that we should see the Jerusalem Syndrome. My Dad responded with something like I'm not taking you guys to see some Ju talking about his Messiah Complex in an off Broadway a one man show. WE'RE SEEING THEY MS. When I moved to New York one of the first things I did was go to a taping of one of your comedy specials? It was great and getting to see you for free. We made me feel like moving to New York was the right decision some years ago. I took some friends to see you at a basement in park slope. You read divorce papers for half the show and I tried to explain. Explain to my friends that you were going through a rough time you know I. Did I do that too. I read from them. I can't remember. He might feel like he's conflicting when he bruce reading. Court documents about his obscenity. Trials me reading my divorce papers but I'll take it in dark moments. Not sold-out used to give me some solace in a way that your podcast does now and the album still comes on when I put itunes on shuffle. There is a joke on the album where you say something like quote. Now that I'm thirty five. There's not going to be any new growth from here on out. It's all decay management unquote when I was in my twenties. I thought this was hilarious. Now that I'm in my forties. It's a little less areas over the past decade or so. I've listened to you finally find the audience. You deserve become completely self accepting and personally I saw on my own self-improvement really pick up steam around H thirty eight. So the evidence is there that middle aged growth is possible in that is occurring for both of us. It would just help me out to hear you say that it was just a joke. You were wrong and despite the two steps forward one step back. Nature of personal progress Middle Age growth is not a Mirage Raj thanks for all the laughter and entertainment. Okay it says. Please exclude his name so I will well nameless man okay I'll L. admit it I was wrong I was there is definitely many possibilities. Almost constant possibilities for growth at any age and at least one or two areas of of your being in and I think that the cynicism involved in that joke was what I felt at the time and it did take me another took me a while to acknowledge growth feel growth or to manifest growth. I think that at that time it was I was at a crossroads. I roads there. There might not have been any growth but it turned out there was okay see now. I'm just justifying. Yeah I was wrong and also there was a fucking can joke. 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There sent me a nice little gift package over Christmas and neglected to any. I didn't want I don't know I I don't know what to do. I know that some people want me do A. Hey Man post show this like this do this but like I think it was. I think it was just a nice gesture and I didn't acknowledge it. So thank you people what you eat. Now let me ask you a question of business. Question can exchange some Kafue that my cats no longer eat for food that they do eat. You know I'll just look on the website you don't have to you don't have to to answer that also park men woodworks just made me a beautiful table. Apartment woodworks at woodworks. Instagram made me a fucking stunning table out back now. I gotta get a grill. Do you guys know what girls to get. I'm not a big grill guy but I'd like and I'm not I don't I don't plan on devolving into a big grow guy but I'm a pretty good cook and I've never really had an easy grill to just go out and grill with you know I used to have like The Webber Labra little one the little semi circle one whether they call it. You know the little one Basically is about the size of sweetly large walk and he just cook on the ground. But I think I'm stepping up. I'd like to get a grill. That's more accessible. That's a better. That's maybe propane or would pal it and I'd like to Just have it so I can cook on it without even thinking twice about it so it's not an ordeal and I like it to be big enough to where I can entertain people for a couple of reasons not just because I want a grill grill outside but I you know gets really hot in the kitchen. If it's hot outside so be nice to have that option. Whatever the fuck I'm talking about all I'm saying is not I'm not going to become some sort of grill? Broke WPRO or pit master. Just want nice propane grow for the back and if anyone's got any anything they want to tell me about grills tell me all right. Just Tell L. me you can you can tweet at me or you can email me at What is WTO pottage email dot com? Now look this was actually a a good note and I and I think that I'm GonNa do. I'm GonNa try this time because I talk about me tour dates but I've been putting the date I which is logically dumb because if you're listening in your car or wherever and I say the date a lot of times who's going to register a date and then I say the name of the city after and you go that's me. What do you say about the date? So this guy suggests that I switch them and it's fucking genius. Why would I do it? Otherwise anyways Cleveland Ohio at the Agora Theater January thirtieth. That's a Thursday I'll be in Grand Rapids Michigan at the Fountain Street Church on Friday January. Thirty first I'll be Milwaukee Wisconsin at the Turner Hall Ballroom Ballroom. Saturday February I. I'm just going to say the date fuck. The day I'm going to be in Orlando Florida. Hard Rock live on February fourteenth. I'm going to be in Tampa Florida at the stress. A bit destraz center February fifteenth. I'll be in Portland Maine at the State Theatre on February twentieth. I'll we in Providence Rhode Island at Columbus Theatre February twenty first. I'll be new Haven Connecticut College Street Music Hall. On February twenty-second I'll be in Huntington New Orca the paramount theatre February twenty third. Go to W. T. F. pod dot com slash tour for links to all the venues. Can you dig it. So I'm back from Atlanta. Obviously I was there for a week. Being Sedentary being onset had a nice scene to sort of finish out most of the work. I'm going to do on on the respect film Nice scene with with with Jennifer in the last day her mansion in a mansion that is being presented presented as her mansion. And I got one more day to shoot the big concert. I'M GONNA be part of that. The Amazing Grace Concert from I think it was seventy two. You and that's I just have one more day shooting and it's It was great although I didn't do much and I've been trying to take care of my back. I'm going I'm going to go. I'm going to a chiropractor here for the first time in my life tomorrow I'll let you know how that goes. I was trained not to believe them. Almost as if they're witchdoctors or or snake oil salesmen. or or just hustlers of sort guys with Iraq Iraq it. There's a lot of rackets racket racket but I'm going and I'm going to go the regular doctor two days later and I'm just going to average it out and I'm going to read a thank you note. Hi Mark Mayor and just a quick note to say that you're talking about the loss of La Fonda was really a huge moment vulnerable and generous of you for all of our talk in podcasting casting in public radio about driveway moments and storytelling as a listener. This just felt like the simple powerful moment of one person living life one when microphone in a little room not live on stage and the truth. It was that lightning in a bottle moment in radio broadcasting that. I've heard so many people describe throughout the years. It's hard to know when that moment occurs in podcasting because they're currently just under eleven billion people making podcasts thrice daily which which is great in so many ways but it does mean that the collective conversation among listeners is fragmented to put it mildly. So I just WanNa say that personally. Here was one moment that found on me in my car at night. Parking under a giant sky full of stars in the mountains up and Bears Ville that made me feel less alone in the world about one of the most painful things I've had to do in life. I'm stumbling around here with words but I just wanted to tell you that the reason people make things really exploded in my brain that night while I was listening to you. It felt like the kind of explosion Ginsburg described when he wrote about how certain words with enough distance between them causes a synoptic synoptic spark he was defining how poetry works or resonates at its best. Thanks for the work you do. Thanks for making things. I'm sorry for your loss. Here's to all all of us. Humans on Earth trudging the road of happy. Destiny occasionally keying the mic on the walkie to let each other know what we are seeing along the way. Best Dan New York. Thank you Dan. That was a lovely Email and I appreciate that. You had that experience with what I do. I've Yeah I've had that experience with what other people do and I I. I'm grateful for it when it happens to me. Thank you for listening buddy. I hope you're okay. Okay Bryan Cox is a great actor and he just won the Golden Globe award for his performance in Hbo Succession The show has has been renewed for a third season. I believe that I recorded this interview. Maybe like the day before the Golden Globes. I believe we've that I I. I want to check that but I believe we recorded this interview when he was out here for the Globes the day before the Globes I flew to Atlanta Georgia the next day and I was sitting at a whole foods. I told you about that in Atlanta in mid town at at the beer bar in the whole foods eating salad out of a box next to a guy wearing a camera hat a camel shirt and camel pants. It's all different shades of Cammo with sunglasses on drinking a six pack of Mexican beer in cans. I sat there and watched. Brian Cox win and I said I just talked to that guy. I just talked yesterday to To to to nothing. So this is me talking to Brian Cox to you for you from the day before he won a golden globe. Yeah I was just in Ireland for two weeks in northern Northern Ireland. Yeah fucking beautiful. It's stunning absolutely stunning. Scotland is more stunning. I thought I hear you. I mean my family. Originally my you know in the mid nineteenth century. Yeah we're cold mic Max Irish Scots okay. So we're actually I rish. Descent brought them Scotland and now is that like are they the mic. Max worked at in a positive light. Well Irish were never looked like an a positive. The Irish yeah. I did a program a few years ago in the television. which is it was called from the workhouse? Yeah and which was the English ray of saying which was on the plate but actually the Scottish way was. It wasn't called a workout so it's called the poor house Yeah and you you could only get You went into the poor house because it was the only way you can get any medical help registering the yeah. So I discovered that my great great the grandfather who was born in Derry on my mother's side he was called in Ireland. Yeah Yeah he was called Patrick McCann and he at the age of thirty nine In entered the poor house with his six year old son Sam having lost five of his eight kids including his wife. Oh my God to what everything. Okay and they you know he was he was Kinda worker and he injured himself and he did eventually become a drunk But he you know they moved. It's like in the last year of his wife's life they move something like ten times and they used to do these what they call the midnight flight so paying the rent and they would just move when I was And I kept saying well. What about the what about the structure of the families you know wasn't wasn't there a support and then this woman? This young women said all our show you the structure of the families. Your Grant Great Grandmother was called Sarah Maguire and I said Oh okay okay. Yeah she said on our show you where she lived in fact. I'll show you the entrance in the Mitchell library so I went to the Mitchell live in. They showed this entrance. And it said ceremony Guar our lives on a stair in calcuttans. Wow and they took me to this place and they said this is where she living showed me a step and that would be no kidding. Yeah and this is some sort of like it was a it was a show based on your family's roots. They did a few people right right. Yeah it's it's it's that and the fact that my my beleaguered great grandfather he he he. He's eldest son. He's younger son. And these middle son survived all the other kids have five of them died All the goes died and he was desperate to get any he was in Glasgow. Has in Glasgow. Yes he was working there and the Irish should really got a rough time. You know they didn't. They would not treat it well but when you find out that stuff about your family how how did it affect you. I mean knowing that well you know you you you realize you've got all this information nation in your DNA. You kinda go when you try to when you try to sort of become conscience about conscious of it you realize your where little anxieties come from. Because they're right it's it's it's poss- through the generation racist generation. So kind of a way I think I mean I I think it sort of responsible. Pin The man who I am I think I. I'm in a way. I have a kind of gratitude towards it whereas also but I also aside a pretty difficult time as a child because my dad died when I was eight and my mother was institution I really so when now the the the people you found out about that were four or five generations. They were my. They were my mother's grandfather. Yeah she was He was my mother's grandfather. My great my grandfather was a mysterious figure. Got He hath. We could never find his war records. He was he was in the He was in the first World War. My mother always said he was at twenty one years but I couldn't find him. He's a drunk as well. Of course which went with the territory he was the he was the eldest son of this Patrick. Yeah I'm Patrick. Eventually ended up in an asylum and I got the last in one thousand nine hundred ten wondering the the the wards of the asylum still thinking he was a fourteen year old boy from dairy. This is your mother your yeah my mother's grandfather. Oh yeah so the so the mental illness. Yeah you could track. Let's right pretty far back. Let's right what was it specifically I You know stress try springs on. Okay I mean my mother. She couldn't deal with the death of my father. She felt harbored. Guilty for Because she my father was rather gentle he was a hit a shop he did he. He was the youngest son of family. His sisters took care of him. My sisters took care of me. They they made sure he was going to be alright so much. His eldest sister I mean via thirteen of the Macula is eldest. System makes a after the war he had a pension and she bought a little shop. Yeah and she and my father worked in the mills in our hometown. Jute Mills Malaysia. What are they make? That is fabulous. Yeah I mean I know L.. Jute well you know a covered wagon. Yeah sure that would be made in Dundee. Okay all right. Thank you Western burlap. That's right. Yeah that's what we that's what that's that's what they did there. Well they discovered through. What did how they discovered it? was that You know these coast of Scotland a great weaving community but they discovered this thing called jute and they also discovered it. 'cause Dundy was a wailing city so they discovered if they dip at this yawn in Wail at extended. That you put the jute extend here. So that's how they set up the jute industry on that swell and we also supplied the tents for the confederate army as well sodomy store in in in the states and the states. Oh Yeah we were done near my hometown. Tom Had the the highest child. Poverty and the richest people in the world at one point now did was. Is this something that you grown up fascinated with or is this all like not something new for you know being aware of because you know. I'm aware of my roots. I think of the people who get the top end of the Baath in my life you know no. I've been sort of constantly aware of that and I did a couple of programs. I did a couple of documentaries on I did one I I did one on jute route. Did one on the on my family because my what happened in eighteen fifty people this is. My father's family came. I'm from island here and there was no work from them for the men. The men were noticed kettle boilers which is just. That's a phrase the ACECOMM based on what making tea boiling the kettle positive. There were like house has again with any of the care responsibility and and and of course. That's when you know Illegal illegal alcohol but Blended alcohol came in. And that's were the in the early. Eighteen forties eighteen fifties. The alcoholic rate in Scotland. was something like forty five percent. Send Crazy I was there briefly and I saw more public vomiting than eighteen. Yeah in Glasgow Idea I in. That was a few years ago. Yeah that's that's a tradition public vomiting big Scottish tradition which we keep up or may do it rather well. The northeastern people do because they bring Newcastle Brown. They laid to laptop. And you can't laugh really great. But but in Scotland we bend over. We have the decency to to bend over moving. Keep moving so anyway. But that was that was a history and so it was the thing. So when they brought them over and cattle loads and Irish and highland highland families as well predominantly Catholic and. They came over and It was the women the women had been. You know they'd been they'd weaved and they'd spend so from stuffed in. Are they done that right live. They know the tools another tool asya. They came into the big industry of the industry and it was eighty two percent of the working population in my home. Time will female. Wow so a strong women. Matriarchal men very matriarchal. Very very I mean they did the most amazing things like And this is your mother your grandmothers my grandma. My Grandmother's generation even my great grandmother's generation and they did extraordinary things genre. They re literally you know there were Catholics and they they they they've built. They gathered the money. I don't know how they did it but they built six the most incredible churches where the an Italian designer and handsome awesome. Who designed the handsome cab? Yeah he designed one of the churches. The church with my parents were man. This is in your hometown. Yeah Yeah I mean the Catholics have always been. I'm good at At building stunning churches to ensure that the rabble understands. WHO's in charge? That's right I kind of Yeah Oh inspiring sort of law of diminishing returns as well I can now and but it was very strong and there was a thing called the mothers' Union which was very powerful secret pretty Catholic. I was you know part of the old Tridentine you know. That's my theatrical sense. It's comes from from my Catholic ritual. You loved Catholic ritual. Don't believe in any of it now but I loved the ritual. I like to watch. Yeah I do I go swinging winging smell you can go to mid nightmare. Yeah and of course. The great thing about Catholicism is a confession yeah I just watched I started watching that Pope's thing the just I've always been sort of fascinated with confession. But I'm a Jew but I will you. That's why you have Freud he he. He picked up the Catholic confession. It was a good. Is he confused. Catholics keep it pretty simple. I that's bad. Say this again. But that's also Jewish thing confusion ongoing dialogue with our problems. Whoever will listen to that we have that kind of relationship with God? The WHO I yeah exactly but But so but you found in your in your life confession useful. When I was a kid? Ed Yeah I mean I did because it was the way of offloading any angst that you had and there's plenty plenty but and you didn't have any alcoholic Kahal Confession Alcoholic and that was that was close circle guy and that was that was the root of it and it was the women the women they kept it going. They were the ones who was not a good Catholic but my mother made him a good Catholic. Right you know and what. How did your father pass away so young? He was fifty one and he had the pancreatic cancer. Oh my God it was Worst it was a hell of a blow to the family. Because he was very he was a very loved. Mer you were eight. I was eight and he was kind of follow. It's it's it's the problem I've had with father who dies. I'm a terrible father thinks. Oh yeah really not good at all because my my father's mythic so comparing so how can you be. What have you got? I mean everybody bases their thing on the dad trying to do better trying to wearing terry different or having a not doing what exactly. Well I didn't have any of that. My father was like he was like a sane. I kind of thought there's no way I can live up to this. I just abandoned when my kids came on I just said listen. You know you know what you can your banking on their own person and I said you know it's not gonNa work. It's not going to happen. How are they turning out? Well but then turning Actually okay but my wife keeps saying because she had a similar background to me Shit. hippie parents led to do everything so she says boundaries boundaries. Oh yes and I go. I don't know anything about boundaries. I don't know how to say you cannot do this. You can't do that. I'm hopeless. Yeah no but yeah well. That's interesting because you usually I guess not knowing how to have boundaries is better than be shutdown exactly. Yeah I mean I just. It's it's hard when you go. It has to be like this and I go well. Who says that's what I can? We negotiate away that we just talked to my boys and I say horrible hormonal kids. Well I have have from a previous marriage. I have my eldest son. WHO's coming up to being fifty was? Wow I was a child bride at one point and my daughter my crazy wonderful daughter who's forty and then I've got two boys and the weirdest thing about my boys is You Know My. I'm not very tall but but I always wanted to be told when I was a kid and my wife is quite petite. Yeah but we have these six foot three sons how that happened. I have no idea but I. There was a paternity tonic to suit and we talked about at one point. Apparently they all my children. Are you still married to the woman. Oh Yeah I'm still here peninsula waiting for me so now the shop your father had what what was the shot. It was a little grocery shop and you remember the shop. Oh very well I remember it and my father. That was is a problem because he was in a ghetto community and he gave everybody what they call tech which credit sure. Yeah it'd be paid their bill right so he was left holding being the baby and he's got the food and and this is what happened. Yeah so when he died he's hit ten pounds in the bank. And all this stat five girls and one boy there was three girls and two boys me and my elder my mile. The brother Bug a doll from in mild at my only problem off. As soon as my father died he joined the army. He can call. I mean he was actually in in many ways. My brother was more traumatized traumatized by my. I thought I was the one who's suffered from my Brian. I see I think looking back. My brother was on brutalized by it. All joining the army and around. He just couldn't handle it. Yeah he couldn't and then you were with three women. I was at the three women and they kind of looked on your mom a mom and my mom I you know I oh you know. My mom was very troubled by it all and she was very she was a you know she was an interesting. She was so typical of of working class. Women in in that part of the country in my part of it oh. She went into service in Canada Ozzy. Young woman she came back to married my when she met my father and married him and she always regretted the fact that you know that you know women. They had a bad rap. He had a particularly bad rob so it was tough for her and my my father was very generous and my mother's great cry was charity begins at home I was a tension and also played on him and I think it contributed his demise because I think he just thought fuck it. I'm out of here. I do this anymore. Do do something to me okay. You Got Orillia you've screwed. The prime creates yet. Okay I'm Outta here that and that's a quick one. That's quickly three weeks three weeks three weeks after diagnosed. Yeah Wow and so you were brought brought in and your mother started to waffle mentally immediately. She she well she you know I mean I I I witnessed. I came home one day from school and She was cleaning the oven really. I thought it was going on. She said I'm just getting the oven the week clean. I acid. Oh I said well. What's that smell all got a bust of left the gas on? Wow you saved her. I saved them time while I didn't even know that's what I did but and I realized later on that I'd say Oh my God so how did so your brother goes into the army. So you're is this where you start wanting to act or no no. I started wanted to act because my dad used to make me do Jolson impersonations when I was to sing with black face. Nope not quite black. I did sit on a cold bunker but I didn't do black. I did all the actions I did. Sure in the mammy in you know when you're good at it yeah and I was. Yeah it was amazing and of course you know our great festival in Scotland Hogmanay. Ziv goes on for days. It's still going on now. Yeah it's still going on. He's still going. Oh people be dying from drinking. Yeah still vomiting in the streets Berko. Yeah so No no that was that was the that was the background. And when I got that sense of approval the L. I thought wow this is good and he made them laugh. Yeah Minimum Laugh. I enjoy a good and I thought wow this is something I held onto so I I always was the class clown I I you know this is. This is the way I could deal with the violence. Because there's a neatly violent there was I remember one time. There was a guy who is probably autistic. In We'd we'd know that now. Yeah he's called Harry Carey we call the right and He was a sweet kid but he was very you know quite clearly and these other a guys and ask school made me fight him and I had a fighter. I don't find it. Yeah so I ended up beating myself up in front of him. Yeah all all. The kids realized with crazy guy. 'cause I was hitting myself I how do I get out of this. I can't beat up the Harry Carey I go. Oh my cell phone freak them all out and then never bothered me again crazy because it could. What's it's it's sort of interesting? I mean th the psychological dynamics of like you know understanding how how powerful you know putting on a show or entertaining is because you know your father who kind of carried a heavy load and was not necessarily that happy. I mean he entertained him. He had the same my dad I can make them laugh and he was a depressive. Fuck my dad was. My Dad was rather shy. Quiet mind who was put into a position by sisters. I need sort of try to live up to two and he did he he he was. I mean I mean my dad when he died somebody like three hundred people. Kennedy's funeral while he was a member of the community and he was hasn't he was loved and and my mother was frustrated by him because he was just he was too generous in Grad fault. My mother you you know the drunken dad this drunken Irish father you know right so she ended up like kind of a control freak. She tried to keep control. He ask. Try to keep. But she wasn't really control-freak Rice. She snape Ya'll boozy. No no no no she. She drank at the end of her life. She would drink fortified wine his stuff. You get in the boxes and the pharmacy so you know that fortify. She became slightly addicted to the. Oh undefined this photo of their store. Yeah Yeah it's nice for them is the storefront are finestone their the building. The building got torn down. They destroyed my city which was horrible. The city we had a very corrupt city government here in in the ninety s sixty s and the the guy they wanted to jail eventually one of them was in the demolition business and they demolished the city really rebuilt a commercial development. Yeah you know and it was just beautiful little medieval town on. They told them buildings which had been editor. Nobody would have done it you know so. When did you start You know actively get involved with theater. I started getting involved with theater when I was okay I. My education was a total disaster. We run around beating yourself up. All all the other thing I was doing when I was at primaries have I would always I would go for what. What what we call in Scotland messages but what you would call Aaron? Yes so the the great time for me was when the marist brothers had Mara's brothers who taught us for us and emigrate and then they took them all away was when they they did a little bit of social engineering engineering when they broke up communities and put them in these horrible housing schemes outside the city light projects. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah horrible. Yeah so a we we didn't. We were not affected by that we managed to stay. We were we were. We eventually went to one but it wasn't. It wasn't a major one. What the four five year? Yeah I know that my sisters were all married. They were might me did strand. My sisters lived in these grotty old tenements we my eldest sister who's now eighty nine hundred. Here yeah no not the one here. The one The one back in Scotland and she lived in. She lived in two rooms with Sharing two bathrooms on the Stan. Yeah and that was five five people buy flats so I stayed there a lot with her and she because she kind of. She didn't look out she didn't look off to to me when I see what was more important. She looked out for me right after me which was back. Yeah exactly more valid were you did. You need I mean did you were you. Were the streets tough situation where no school was tough. There were a few murderers. There's a couple of you know there was those guys who used to go in eleven your boys used to terrorise. Oh people right You know I mean as you know it was a lot of thuggery. Mailing was just a miserable poverty. Ridden those there was an element of poverty. We went we got quite poor mom and I because she she was she had no money. My Dad died here. She had a job. She was a cleaner in school. And I mean she had a widow's pension. She wouldn't get that two fried right in Thursday night. We maybe have a tough time of it. Not every Thursday but I would occasionally have to go across to the local fish and chip shop and say you know we have some battle bits. Bits with things at the end of the Pan Shakeout to yes. That's right that would be You know his name for it. That's disturbing serve about a bit better but then that was a common thing it was more. I think more common people on that that that we did and they were very good. They used to give it to us and didn't happen all the time and I just remember a couple in an occasions when it was desperate so did you finish up school. Well what what happened was I went to say that. The headmaster payment after demise brothers used to make me go for Erin. Yeah so I missed a lot of school. Because how did you down shopping shopping for stylists for his gramophone and doing stuff like that no pay for that no pain no but but but no but I could wander off and spend the day doing that right in the school which is great which is Great. I'd come back and Or the other thing I'd do is I'd go to the cinema. Yeah I go to the cinema in the afternoon to noon right and I'd sleep right through till the following morning really yes. I used to break out the cinema. Four o'clock in the morning my sister my youngest sister the one who's here. She was my youngest sister. She was they eventually. My two older sisters eventually Created this situation where she could emigrate account was about the youngest is. Yeah when I was about eleven she was she was twenty one to ten. Yeah and she so. She emigrated US but she was looking after she was gone she was twenty and she was a kid. Yeah it was ridiculous this boy but she. She would panic because I was missing right so the police were out looking from and wearing pass. I remember four o'clock. I'd be running down the high street in my hometown. I'm from the cinema. The Greens playhouse. which is a huge huge cinema? And I break out. I find a way of breaking breakout. I think those two movies I slept through one was Helen. Frisco Bay and the other was giant in yeah yeah so I kind of yeah. It was very long. Put Me to sleep anyway. So I'm br I'm running down the street and suddenly this. You know the doctor Dr who you know the todd is well. Those are all police boxes. That's what they were originally unique. So I'm running. Sunday voice comes out. Where are you going young man? The funny thing. Speaking to be a policeman he wouldn't come out just stayed in his body. Yeah talking to be saying we've got to to get you home eventually will and your sister was released all my sister even somewhat annoyed as well so anyway. What happened was that I my school? You know I didn't. I failed my eleven plus I went to a very good school. It's a Catholic Secondary. Modern school wasn't very good school. It was okay. Yeah and I I was a couple of guys. There was a couple of teachers there who could see that I was officially a water. And they knew that this was this was tricky kid. Yeah but I had had you know had wet tonight humor and last clown and they really liked me and they. They looked after me. They looked out for me. It's being looked out for Ryan. Lewis is looped optimal yet up for so they encouraged me and I did little plays and stuff like that and then I got then by vice shit stroke of good luck My GYCO Bill Juror. Who was one of these guys who have to hear to student who had been working the local reputation at Dundee rat which was pre powerful rep throughout the country? It was people. Were a lot of actors blank. Glenda Jackson style. Yeah and people uh-huh Nicol Williamson And this kid co Frank McGrath. He was he was leaving. He was gonNA drama. Goes Job is available Ryan. His job was is basically Taking Assistant to the secretary take money to the bank every morning. which is another messenger? The message job or or Yeah which I did to do. The British Linen Bank used to take the takings were pitiful in front of the theater from the theater and mop you know cleaning the stage aged. You're in I was in. I used to mop the stage at the end of the day and then I graduated to doing seen shifting. You can watch all the show can watch him doing that. Yeah always great. I mean I've been my thing it'd be movies. I suspend. We had Double features features in my hometown we twenty one cinemas they they were trying to keep you off the street. Yeah great feature on it six Ugandan got here and it was three day program so I could see as many as eight movies in the week and that was the thing that was my thing. Yeah did you feel like you wanted to be in movie title. I acted movies. And who are you like your favorite was I veered from Jerry. Lewis to modern brand new. Yeah I had a range. I developed an early rate. Yeah so it was a great time. It was it was. It was blissful you move up from sweeping and India taking money in the bank to see setting up scenery and stage managing. I was always tastes manager ever and it was terrible and warning all this just by paying attention attention and the people were you know people people like me and you're under twenty. I was fifteen. Wow fifty so when do you get your big break. Well What happened was The there was you know and I I was I was sort of kept my eye open on stuff about act came out of the various institutions. As you know you're aware of it guys from here Rod a guy. He's a central school guy. The differences there was just a difference in with rata Arroyo's Well it was there was a bit of entitlement to win with what is at Stanford or were Royal Academy of Music. Royal Academy of Dramatic Okay and There was this other school called lambda. Yeah well the London Academy Museum and Dramatic Art and there was a Canadian guy who actually Became famous later on you as the smoking man and the x files. Okay Bill David and he was this young twenty four year old director who directed good company. And there's some very good in Dundee. Yeah and he was very you know he he. I mean he invited me to voice lesson and I I I felt what they said come. We're having a voice lesson. I didn't even know what I mean. I had no idea what house and this this woman who was there who came and She's this bill became quite famous voice teacher but she was this young twenty four year old woman and she's now going home she comes from Ahrq knee and Scotland and she's gone by her name was Kristin and link later and I thought I want to go where she is of course as soon as I got to school soon as I got into lambda seventeen she left. She buggered off to America. She came in a really weren't yet to work and lived here for forty years and doing voice for Teaching at Columbia pitching that she started a theater. Company chicks in company up in in the in the Berkshires You know all in Massachusetts so when you're watching all these people come in you can tell the difference in their styles from the institution. John I can tell you know. Under the lambda actors were always little. Little rural was a little more thorough as in terms of their the prep says. It's to the Royal Academy. They they're little entitled title and Gutten talented but there was no structure to them. Who is? It's unfair that probably was a structure to him but the lambda thing was because it was thorough thorough much more thorough and it was very influenced turned out that I realized related. who is very interested by influenced by a man called Sanford Meisner? Sure yeah the my own really. Yeah and that was that was what was employed. That was what I learned when I went school. So it's not a classical training when it is a classical training in one sense because you're doing classical stuff but you're using you're using subject verb and object. I mean the thing about it was lent read. Yeah at drama school. I learn how got to go subject verb and object in order the subject. What does the object what do you? What does the intentions right? And then you transferred that to niceness technique why am I doing what am I doing. They were my going. Yeah I kind of fit perfect. While he was a great teacher who's Pasta. Local Vivian Malone and Vian was there he was very lambda eh lived and a great influence so I very good time that you were there when you were seventeen seventeen so you would. Now I get the sense like whoever I talked to talk to Ian mckellen about about Shakespeare. I don't like Shakespeare Guy which makes me feel small Sulu and he and I I don't I I'm not I don't I'm not well versed at all. And he did it to my face. He did Shakespeare right eight to my face and I got it. You know but it wasn't to unfortunate to see shakespearian actor do it so you understand it. I think that's people like me. Who Grow up watching Sam Shepherd plays or whatever the hell American theater a little bit or or just it's the language is hard and it takes attack of vigilance? I don't have real now. I always assume that people from the UK or boo trained. There are immediately doing shakespeare. Well we do shakes because it's he's he's You know in. He's the master of the English language. And he's a great player. But what I was thinking though at before you came over here is that e even dealing with somebody like the new Carrick Lake Logan Roy right on succession which is great that that it struck me that as you go. Oh through the catalog or the or the whatever they call it the entire Shakespearean Canon that there's a lesson to be learned. Both emotionally theatrically proclaimed linguistically in almost every absolutely. Hey Dj yeah. I mean I I was. I was lucky. And I've been lucky in relationship to Logan. Oh God because thirty years ago my forties I did with mcallen funny enough. Yeah we did this tour of Richard the third which he played Richard The third and King Leo. which which I played King Lear? Yeah and he played. I played I played the Jacob Bucking with him and we did this tour and you know that was exhausting. Because it's it's such an exhausting partly and it's very interesting because you you and your young to do it at that point but I'd had success doing Little play which is not very often done in Shakespeare's it's a tough one. But I kind of made it my own and that was Titus Central Africa. That's like the big body play try. Yeah but it's it's Blackley funny. Oh yeah yeah and it's really not as the thing I went for because again my humorous thing. Yeah Yeah I went for this kind of Blah but I learned you know you learn on the job. Why why is it not done that much? Well because people get it wrong. They don't understand. Understand the the ludicrous nature of it but is the plot of it while the plot is this Roman general returns from the war to find that the state of Rome is in a bit of a state of flux. Yeah The guy who's now taken over. WHO's not very responsible and are these has gone abroad on? And he's GonNa marry one of the Goth Women. Yeah and he's and this soldier. He's an old soldier. He's lost cost. Most of these kids he added as the idea of Rome and the idea of Rome becomes suddenly wanting and he's left and a kind of state of of like Hamlet. And when you look at the plays you look at the later plays you see in Titus andronicus is all the tryout out stuff he He tried out a lot of the ideas Hamlet's madness fake madness. He tries out. And you know the the go figure he tries tries out. Oh the fellow figure. He tries all of. That's tried out and that plan it's wrong. Rough and ready emotionally mentally wrong. Yeah Right A and and it's it's hugely funny right if you allow it to be here now. A lot of times when Brooke didn't he he could tailed the huma because he felt the huma was Brooke. Yeah Peterberg okay. Yeah he felt the human detrimental But I see it's the opposite. The humor to me is what you know because yes I think. Life is ludicrous. I don't think life is an. I don't think it's tragic of funny. I just think it's ludicrous. And the older I personally. Oh yeah the older. Yeah I get the more I mean I think the the human experiment is extremely disappointing. And there's a problem with the ending. Yeah there's there's no there's no validity to it you know so I I I have a real problem with but a but of course it serves me as a as a creative well sure. I think that the void that Shakespeare sought to fill. That's right logo. Roy Fills brilliantly right because logan rise in. Everybody says he's right wing. Yeah he's right when he's here but he's a nihilist right succeed denials. He doesn't burn burn. Burn down because he didn't believe any particularly his own children. We it says fuck these children when you hello there and of course fucked. I've I'm responsible but fuck rewrite. What's interesting that you know when you really think about it that is it's not not even really about power? I guess that seems to be what it's about but but it is about was there's just this attornal in all sorts of You know I guess. Existential darkness and nihilism core of an absence of principle. Yeah just gets in the way well. What we're learning now is is that that that that that most structures that we thought were there to protect us are really just based on like you good? There's nothing holding go against morale is certainly say with the president. Were you know so. But when you're doing titus which I you you you were known for right. Yeah you're was a nineteen eighty seven. Yeah and you've been you've been working a lot. I'd done a lot. I I mean I I've had a you know I really really have a very fortunate career. Mind what with a lot of great people like Lindsey Anderson and wonderful director. Michael Elliott Elliott. Who died too far too young? Did you know when I was thirty. Six I took over from Pat. Mukundan played Captain Ahab in an extraordinary production moby. Dick so I'm my my practice was always for these kind of big scale things in theater in data and now we've from lambda. How long were you there? I was there only. I was only that because we're such a disastrous year. Then they didn't do the full three years. I only did two years so I was out working. I was out. I mean I got my first job. Afterwards I went to back up to Scotland and I went to I. I was a founder member of the Royal Lyceum Theatre Company in nineteen sixty eighty five where he grew up. Well it's it's southwards an Edinburgh and Dundee. So you're part of the beginning of that and it's still there now i. I did the fiftieth anniversary of it with My Great Powell have you. Have you seen fleabag. Yeah well you know the guy who plays the father yeah. He's one flatly. How Bill Paterson Bills Genius Genius? But he's very very west scoring. Yeah you've gotta own deals all kinds of. Oh I don't know any. He's so brilliant in that show so this is a very funny story so I I rank them up and I say bill. It's The fiftieth anniversary. Said Oh he said this. It's It's The fiftieth anniversary of the Roy. Seem that's good. I said yeah he said you know they WANNA do they wanna do something. And I. I've suggested so you and I do Gado together. You Play Gogo and I play Didi the sunny one and you play the poor me. 'cause so west of Scotland he saw. It'll be interesting. He said you know Brian. I'm worried about my legs. I said I'm sure we'll be able to in your legs. He's a little. Low is a year old elements. So when we did that he was in his late sixties so so now because of my newfound success people saying you know You want to do theater stuff and I said Yeah I turned on a few things and then somebody came up with the idea. What about reviving Gado? Yeah that sounds great at five years is we didn't were a bit older. Can I remember the lane so I build again. I say bill. Aw I said you know where you know I've got. Oh yeah they said well what thinking about you know maybe reviving all really. Oh well I'll look at the lanes but you know something. I'm worried about my legs. I they play already exactly exactly. He's fantastic. Are you going to do it. I hope so. It'd be great right because it was a very we also did it very Scottish. We did an and I'm from the East and East is all light and Sun and twenty eighty four hour sunlight. Yeah where everybody whacking right and the West is the rain. Very poor me you know near to do. I mean it really manifest fest itself in the culture or does it does so. It's so deep to the wild. So when you start doing film I started my first first film was in a way back nearly seventies when I film was Nicholson Alexander on my God. I saw that when I was too young to see where they like at the end they line them all up against the wall. I remembered that that part of it you know it was pretty horrific now and I I played Trotsky guy probably like. I wonder if you I can picture that I can see you play Trotsky and It was my first film judge. You get that well well some very funny again a very funny story. So Sam Spiegel the famous Sam Spiegel director directed produced preacher who produced the African Queen. Hunger I hadn't he was known as Sam. Eagle Eagle one point studio studio guy. He dances legs zone. Remember that yeah. Legs of a dancer Nifty. Yeah so so I was. I was doing a job and I was a country in those days forever to get to anywhere so I had go down to London on several occasions for this pot and I I was summoned. I was doing the plan I was summer. How the hell am I going to get there and get back at half past four in the morning? Get a train to get down and get my interview in them. Get back right with this show. So so I'm I'm done a whole series of meetings with them and So I go down and I was up for a Kerensky the part of Kerensky and and he said okay so I I came down and they were talking about. Trump's game I I came down and and I walked in the room in this. What are you doing here? And this is frank shaft. We don't want to see you again. I said Oh. I'm sorry I was just told had no no. No we've seen you we've seen you. It's fine and I said what do you mean. She just finance fine and then Sam Spiegel said yes. It's fine you'll in the picture I should all I said he said yes. You're in the Pixel I should so I ah my playing Kerensky or Trotsky as it came around Ski Trotsky you're in the pitcher. He didn't even know the characters. Did you have a good heart. You know he's a small pot. Gave me these pebble glasses which I couldn't see out of side one point when I had to find the handle of the door. Could you do then you did. But you only did a couple of films and and then there's a big chunk of time was a point was I you know I was. I mean to be honest with you. I was always motivated by the movies. That was my thing he hit. It was movies movies and also it's also to do with my coach. I'm working class. Kit from Scotland Scher. I'm not English and in those English movies. I mean I love them now but they meant nothing to me in writing all those English. I'll Guinness is You know the law Minella mob or Dr Films in the House on those terribly table. English films ain't nothing but what meant something to me. was you know the bowery boys sure Jerry Lewis Spencer Tracy because he was a Catholic so I was. My mother always may be going see Spencer tweets you know she loved Spencer Tale. Of course I love the cat as a result. And he's my very very favorite actor of all times and then Brando Brandon Dean on seeing them and and that was the fifties when it was a formenting time for. Yeah so that's what I I wanted to do. I wanted to do movies and the theatres like an alien place to me. And she's doing a lot of it when I was that. 'cause that's what we do and I worked at the Royal Court. And and what would people like Lindsey Anderson so that was a great influence for me. It was interesting because you are able to integrate some of this because I had no idea about the the kind of infusion of Meisner into you into any of the the schools is it was it was it was a What's the word it was subliminal? You know very much so but it was kind of it was it was it basically taught me how to read really. I liked so in in like do you find when you do you like having done much theater. And you've done a lot of Shakespeare and your approach is is what. What tools do you sort of rely on to build the character? Victor From the internal mechanism really hadn't it's it's who the guy is. I don't want I mean you know this you know what when I was a young guy. I'm in the alleviate was around and you know alleviate was just incredibly impressive. Yeah because if he's a DASS ity to see Livy play Othello fellow which is unheard of. Now he can do that and get away with it right but it was audacious on it was fantastic. And then seeing the Williamson for instance in who I'd who's it was the first actor I ever met because he was a punch as I walked in the stage door for my job and you got to see them all to see him. I saw him as a kid. We used to go from school. Go from drama school. We would go down there to address rehearsal and we would turn up. And we saw Maggie Smith Maggie Smith doing Hay Fever with the Great Dame Edith Evans just so that was a phenomenal period of my life. So I really began to love the theater but I'm still had the cinema and then when I did this when I did that cinema and I you know I I held out. I mean I I did a lot of theater I went off and I learned my job. I let the job by doing theater but I always had this thing about the cinema hanging over me and then I did two plays one was moby Dick date which was a big success for me person had early and then I did. I did too plays off to that which was identity played cold Strange strange include which is a huge in new plan. That's a long long play by Eugene O'Neill which is never done. I did it with Glenda Jackson. And we transferred that to Broadway now in the in the interim time between transferring to Broadway. I did another play in London. Keratin the skull which was about the Northern Ireland conflict. And I played this Protestant the guy who turns the take this Catholic Tara And it's a really really good play was very powerful. This was eighty four try ended up doing bose plays but I ended up both from going to America. Coming out here so I came to America. I was in my late thirties. and We did them into a big successes and ran. The skull was a huge shoot success in the casting. Director Iraq call. Bonnie Timmermann came to see me on it and she She invited me to meet her and I met her on and she said and she. I didn't did an audition and the Palamos Milo partner in the scene partner on the scene and it was found hunter we have so she Issue so eccentric Bonnie. She said she said do you mind. I don't WanNa see you. I'm sorry she said I don't WanNa see you. She's because when I got to the theater I can only hear your voice because I I didn't in my seat properly in of the prophecy. So could you turn away from the camera on uh not to turn away and fine so I did this and then of course eventually did turn into the camp so the job you know I I I collector I remember. Yeah and I got that job and that was my calling card so that what happened was I. WHO's the killer? Newnan was trying to new in Ja. Fantastic at a great. It's a great movie it has yeah Yulon Michael Madden very talented and anyway what happened. Was it I did that I I was in America and then my marriage. My first marriage fell apart. I was sort of uh the point of moving to the states but I realized I had these two kids. You know I had a teenage son. I had a very young daughter man very affected by uh-huh divorce so I couldn't move. I had to stay so I had to get a job. See a good father pun here. Good father but I I had I had to go to Joe So I got some. I got this job at Roy Shakespeare Company and I the last place in the world. I WanNa go I mean I ah what in the late seventies at the national theatre and I hadn't enjoyed it. I didn't like Peter Hall. He ran the place. Yeah Yeah I can get on with name is very good to me but I never clicked. Yeah so then I finally went to Stratford and I went to the London so I started off in London. I did know Shakespeare Shakespeare plays and then Terry hands who ran the company. Said I WANNA go when you come up to the strap it this isn't this was at the Barbican we had the and what was the london-based and I was working there. And he said well come up. He said we WANNA do Titus Andronicus how all these directors Who wouldn't touch it? They didn't WanNa know. And he kept saying Sutton directors ice and I. I'm I'm I'm nearly forty. I said I I know. I said I've got nothing I said I you know I don't WanNa play safe. I I WANNA pushing I wanNA push and push the envelope so what happened. Is We found this young director that young female director Deborah Warner who had been had success with their own company but the company had gone on the lost the grunt. Yeah so we got her in and she took over and right then and then the rest was that was so this interest so you so you have this break in movies but yeah the family thing you know you kind of lived the he manned up to your responsibility came back and then you get brought in in to this historical. Let's physician and do this. Amazing version of is illiterate. Turned it inside out incident and then I stayed on and I went to do the Lia Ah Stratford and I did. I did. A lot of touring we toured. We did a world tour of lear. We did a tour of of titus before now lear like a in terms of so. It's funny because I read somewhere that when you were doing lector at Hopkins was doing lear doing to help to Suzanne Leo. When he was doing when I was was doing lear he did? He did you. Are you guys friends. I Yeah Yeah we gon. We never talk about that though. That's the Tabou subject. We never talk about the leader's. Here's the Liz electrodes. All talk about the Leeann. I'll gladly Tugela Leah. Because he got here that he had a tough time on land in. What is it like is like you know being someone who doesn't know about the nuances of it there? There seems to be some analogy to be brought with With Logan Roy and lear but not really not really I mean there's an element of there's an element of I'm in Heart for. Logan has a heart. Yeah it's it's very deep body and but the thing about lear is that giving all away and blowing Mussa trying to take it all back right now. You know he's giving it away to anybody. It's such a like when you say that about About Nihilism in. I'm just this idea because we are living in this world where these these are. These older boomers are really the the the narcissism is is that you know if I'm GonNa end the world's going to end with well there's an element of not yeah. I think that's true. I'm not I'm not sure of I'm not sure if Logan is going to feel he's GonNa end I think he's he's also smarter he i. It's a great character. He he is so much smarter than present POTA- Some in Greis shirt dumb us now. He's one of the guys that runs this type and owner of politics. That's right yeah. Yeah Yeah and he does that and it's very interesting because you get less you get this kind of thing about some about the people in power and people of wealth you know people have wealthy and I look at these late comer to the democratic race like Tom Steiner now Bloomberg math breath and it was so funny Bloomberg came to see the show. I just oh I don't know you know. Well I've just been playing Lyndon Johnson. Oh okay was the smallest Lyndon Johnson of uh-huh. Yeah it was all done with the one that Cranston star opened. Yeah well I did the second play which I just brought called the great society or is is really the tragedy. It's a great story of Lyndon Falling. Apart Linden trying to keep the balance programs going and dealing with the Vietnam righteous turns into be the biggest shit show of all right. Yeah so that was fascinating to do that. And in the process boomer came Bloomberg came to see it and I it was very nice very sure allies and but he he was was a little bit of a giveaway which is just thinking about power and the thing about being entitled You know and it was a very subtle thing but he said we were talking about. He said Oh. Yeah Vietnam I was. I was very nearly involved in Vietnam nearly nearly happened. Man said I was really I said I was on I was on it was in. It was on point to become Of course I would never have become a private here. I was on point to become a left tenant lieutenant I said and I thought that's such an interesting idea the fact that you can't think of yourself as a private soldier for you can think of yourself as lieutenant so you're already thinking this this is your mindset he handled. This is where you're going and of course. Eventually he didn't go because what happens. Turn we wonder what that story I know but but I just but again. It's just think of entitlement. Yeah you go. Wow it's so naked and sew unconscious. Well well that's the amazing thing about the the way the Roy's are portrayed because when you when you get the hang of the show you realize. I'm not sure that this is how people really talk. But there's is a language here that that dances around the emotions type of people. There's poetry to the thefts right poetic and on his highly political. Yeah Yeah for sure. You know. Because that's Jesse James is a great great. You know modest but a real. He writes in satirical terms me thr great series called the thick of it which was done back. But it's really about power it is about palm. Yeah and and but it is interesting that the way you see. Logan is realistic. Stick vacuum who is playing a game. Right that's right and I kept. I said that we did in the first series. I said it's a game. Yeah and the kids. Don't get it. Yeah they think of the they don't get right back to the game creators. They're you know they take it too seriously and they don't get it and of course Logan the old game. He takes it really seriously but they don't they. Don't get the game so they can't get onto the game on of course at the end of the Generational Ashok that says this thing but at the end of the last series they youngest boy because he's well the my eldest my second family. In my era era pound Kendall he's pushed him and push them and push them and he's pushed him to such a point that he's actually going to have to make some great ending you know some and he's a proud father. That is the beat at the end. Yeah Oh look. The kid did drill. A He's GonNa he's GonNa Screw me. Yeah he's not gonNA doing. Let's go to him but he goes come on bringing great ending mainly because you it was made such a screw up previously the bear hug you know and all of that such great acting on everyone's part on fantastic. I mean Jeremy's amazing. Raising amazing as as Kendall and Hawkins Skid Calkins extraordinary. I mean they're all extra mathematic GIS Tom. Yeah you know I mean to my yeah. Yeah and then the lovely Sarah has. She's amazing as As as I think on what's also great great about the show is it's a real ensemble were much on social and it's so nice to see that because see that was. My question is with all this this this Dr early on in your career to do film. There's really nothing more boring than film-acting exactly I mean I mean that's why you know I have to get back in this show. Seems like at least you're there are scenes where it's like you're doing you know like with with doing films in my limited minute experience of it. It's all bits and pieces break. You can't really get going. You see dots. What they do wonderfully well the right is in the dress? They let a succession of six let scenes run so you can play them through so all the big scenes on playing one or two times but we play them through. Yeah so we play Klay Okay. Okay like theatrical pieces. That's great well. At least you get to stretch out a little job you know. Yeah it's it's it's it's very gratifying. And it seems like it's weird because when I saw you in succession like I I've I I've seen one. Maybe one of the born movies but you know you got a good Gig with that and but I remember you from like adaptation was the first time the sort of like who the fuck is ACA. How'd you like working with Kaufman often with that with his tacit right fantastic? I mean it was. I don't cite John's move and spike spike is just great I mean I. I did her as well. The the movie about the that you know the which her. Yeah Louis. Yeah that's great. That's great we. who were you in that? I played Alan Watts. Oh Yeah Great. A real guy and the the entertain guy was kind of a real guy he was rebuffed. McKee Bob McKee. I know it was bombed Makita. Got Me the job because it was suggesting. Oh yes what about Michael Kennedy went. I don't think so. I know who should play. Because he'd seen me do I did did skylight. The place skylight the mark taper. Yeah Yeah here hi. Yes a lovely theater. And he came. He doesn't like David Hammer but he he said well I liked you. So he he needs become a friend over the years and Yeah he suggested you know me for that part and I I knew because one of the great things when I decided it was a decision I made in the nineties. Yeah having had a you know pretty good create. I still. We wanted to do movies. You make your choices braveheart your great. The thing about it was that you know it. England or rare. I'm sure it's is an English thing. But there's this some strata you go. Oh I I'm doing an I went. I don't believe in any nonsense if the pot works pot wash I mean I have played one of the most successful roles ever which is manhunt on these only on the screen for ten minutes and it lasts you. Do the more you unwanted people go. Oh who's that guy coming back. Oh He's always always always and that's so exciting so when I decided I in in And it was Michael. Paul read Michael Powell. He's he wrote the WHO's a great filmmaker and he said in his biography. Said you know movies are no oh big pots and smallpox yeah. He said only long parts and sharp pots. You're on the movie for a long time or a short time but you get you know you get the focus focus for that day that the day play which is the hardest thing to be in movies near you get not focused. Yeah sometimes it's too much because because you have to deliver because you the day but I thought that was a very good angle to me to to re read. Start my career in the mid nineties here yet I moved moved here I just decided that's what I'm GonNa do. I'm going to be a character actor in movies. Yeah I remember having this discussion with the late Nigel Chris names go He was very famous actually South African but known as an English has. TV's was it's very successful. And he he was he just on a film with sly stallone. Yeah and I met him on a plane and he was going. I can't do that. They said I. I can't play those parts anymore. I'm I'm I'm leading act and I said I said you. Nigel is forgive me for saying this. But that's absolute bollocks. I said you know you've just what was last alone. I worked for Stephen with Steven Seagal. For Christ sake just imagine what that was like a it was fine right because you just learn to do the job right. I said you know it really. is you work with Seagal. Where were you in a thing called glimmer man i? We haven't gotten enough time to talk. He's he's very complex. Something very sweet about Stephen which but anyway so anyway so I said Nightwatch wash look. It doesn't really matter. You know you go in and and you know and I and I you know I I when I first came to Hollywood in the mid nineties I saw Korea's areas I- Andy Garcia and Michael Keaton magnificent actors. Yeah but I saw them all being judged by that opening weekend right near trying to get the film Paseo. They gotTA call the people and they'll go to people and I I did a film called desperate meshes which was well named especially and that was Michael and Andy was a big break. Yeah a big owners. And after that the Korea's went in a very odd way the big because of the onus that was on them to sell tickets you know and and it just I just thought I don't want to be in that position. Fuck that never want to be in. Hey I I just want to keep working on you actually televisions much kind of that way. Yeah because television you know television because you can stream it you can do it you know. And in a way. It's much more of a galaxy and process to well. Now there's also the outlets are there there's context and it really seems that if you're given the right ah environment now that you can make a great thanks right and people will come to it like I. You know. After the first season of succession I'd heard some about it. But you know it's one of those things where it's like you got to be a real like when you start when you get the hang of that show how you GonNa fuck and watch exactly and then you got a good Gig for at least four four five seasons health coverage hope for hopefully. Yeah Yeah I lived can kill me off any minute we I think you know. I don't think so. Ah but also doing the movies like The was the spike Lee film. Twenty twenty two twenty five twenty fifth on that. Yeah that was word fulfill right and you and you work with And he worked with these as the support. You get to really do great acting on your own but also work with these heavy hitters. I like the boxer. I mean that was not. Yeah Yeah No. I've been very lucky that way. And the parts of served me. Well you know I. There's not one single roll ally. That was heavy oil. I well I was a very amazing film. So you would look for these projects even if they're smaller movies when when you read description when you get offered them what what. How do you make the decision to play a guy who's this kind of complex you know pedophile well at a character right? Yeah and you know then and again. That's the sort of thing where people said you gotTa Watch it. Watch it with that role because you don't WanNa get a dentist actually densify with any road because I keep moving. Don't stop right. Don't stand still moving tug and also like as a character actor as somebody that has the chops it you do. It's not you know to not be a movie star. Yeah and and have everything be related back through who you really are. It's a gift just sort of transform. It's really not and it's also also what I call acting it's to me is essence of acting is the job. The job is to be different people. Yeah and I've been very lucky that way I i. I'm an ally was a great example of something which you know. Hit a nerve in people went. Wow that's an extraordinary thing to do. And I I've been very blessed you know it's it's it's been frustrated. My wife feels. Sometimes you don't get the credit you deserve. But she's changed her mind recently. No I it it is sort of an exciting thing so you have this amazing body of work in that people will. You're one of those people over. You know once you start telling them the movies right. Oh yeah exactly exactly exactly. That's the that's the plight of the character actor but that's but that's also the joy I'm sure the joy is they go. Oh you of course right. You'd there you go. Wow you're that good you're not associated with you know character that's not so that's the Blissett. Yeah so like with this. I don't find an interesting is that That this character of of Logan Roy sort of speaks to your roots somehow somehow by guiding. Why not talking to you? I realize when you're walking through Scotland going through all that was what hobbies. That was the other thing the happen which was so extraordinary ordinary so in the first season. Yeah you know right at the very beginning. What right to my first conversation with Adam McKay and who's directing eighteen the pilot and Jesse? Yeah I suggested at that point. I said you know I could play this character. Scott's I said you might be interested. Yeah Jesse said no I want to American. He's got to be an American I. It has to have an American Voice Adam. McKay was more a bit more inclined that way and I said okay apply American so I ended up initially plan none American but I play. Well I didn't know that but until I I I play the Canadian. He was Canadian eating and He was born Quebec so in the first episode. I episode with this big birthday party. And they celebrate my birthday and he says born in Quebec Canada while episode nine. Yeah I've done nine episodes and I'm I'm doing my stuff and doing much yet. And what have you and suddenly Peter Friedman. Who's playing the Frank I keep firing and rehiring? He comes incision. I've just done so many are on on the on on the show. He should have changed your birthplace. I shouldn't even have changed my birthplace. He said you will no longer born in Quebec. I said what do you mean. I'm no longer Gordon Kopech. He said he said No. He said you're bone is an icon a memorial bonuses little. Let me look it up and he goes. Oh you said Yeah. You're born in some Michael Dundee Scotland. I said that's what I'm born. That's where I come from. What completely Wyoming? Plus I told you I and I went up to him and I went up to Jesse Jesse. What what is this? Oh said we thought it'd be a little surprised. I said it's a hell of a surprise. You know I've just record recording nine episodes and of course in the second season we do an episode. Of course I'm now my favorite son not my home Tom. Because we did an epochal Dundee. Indeed the rich people had about the. Yeah Yeah and we filmed in the beautiful now. You're you're actually now. You're the favorite son and of course it was very odd to go back to Dundee. I mean I go back to Dundee done on a regular basis but not such a public way. Yeah so to go back to Dundee and play Rogan. Who has these does thing bad memories for him and of course I have mixed memories about Dundee on the hall my mhm memories are quite good? I mean I I'm apart from I mean I had a very blissful child didn't until the point my dad died I mean it was fine and then it was tough stuff but I still. I have such admiration for the people of my hometown. Because they're you know they've been they've been shot on light from Winston Churchill on wedge shot on but they find they've survived and they built this rather beautiful thing now here which is I mean. They're still have the biggest heroin addiction. Scotland author probably Fifth Generation. And it's only only bad off fair but but anyway the town is getting some focus. It's getting some you know attention. Yeah so and I am so I'm going by and I'm doing all this Logan Rostov on Danny Houston is lovely man. He come having interviewed him. He's a good guy he's a great greg tremendous guy and he said had well never mind all logan. Roy's he said what about you I said what do you mean what about you said well. Let's do you actually what i WanNa see where you your background and I wanna see where you went to school where you in so I got a boss and I it was about four or five of the cast game and I took them on your your member my memory memory lane. Yeah so it's so hard in a way that that has come to me in sense and it's kind of bizarre assuming really bizarre but let's but there is a sort of you know both closing the circle in a way which is kind of odd. Yeah and also I think the opportunity ready to to to sort of inform the character with that much of a of your real memory but with you now but having having the character of gone very different website. That's it's gotta be for an interesting. Yeah it is. It's interesting because you go. You know I'm in the Hole Logan thing in just his his his language has his his cursing him which is just. They're all doing i. It's people I get people coming up to. The people would come up. Come out with the state during these these kids teenage boyfriend and go from. Could you tell us off Gal and I'm going what could you can I film you're saying fuck off. Fuck off for the worst. The worst funniest was here. I did this movie with lovely. Resent our cat and she's you know she's quite political resigned asset. Would you come to a We're driving a me too. We're having we're doing a book laugh. Ronin fire on I so I'd love to come. I really admire what he's done and he particularly you helped a friend of mine ended up the thing with moonves. Yes Oh she was very very You know he's he's given our love stuff that she'd lost in terms of our own self respect and So I thanked him and at the end of it and then suddenly I was surrounded by all these women and they were coming up to me in coining and it's not all of them but a couple of quietly saying could you tell me to fuck. I'm going as wholly appropriate to me to event appropriate appropriate and then it just goes back to full circle to how disappointing human beings. You can't hold onto anything for five minutes Ludicrous Chris. Nature the ludicrous nature. So what does it mean to be a CB commando of there's another word for it a sea of the British Empire. It something that I did is it. Is it an honour to the queen. Do they recommend you get it and recommend you get it. Yeah Wayne does what is recommended to the Queen Night. No I'm no I'm not. I'm not so I'll never be served because I I mean I did it at a time when I it should have thought better but I accepted it because because I'm fickle. Well also like it's weird that you know that shit runs deep man. I mean you see actually you can do whatever you want about about. Politics takes but like when the Queen. Okay okay this is the thing It's like it's like this big big weekend coming up at the Golden Globes You know you're going come on you go. This is your caught on the horns of a horrible dilemma. Because you I really think it does your head and I'm sitting here thinking all the time thinking. This is uncomfortable. It's uncomfortable because I I'm having to deal with my own greed and my own share. You know my only wanted to be humble and they want to be humble at the same time. You're caught on the horns of horrible dilemma. Shakespeare occur line Shakespeare line. Yeah it's probably influenced by it's true you know it's very hard thing and that was when I became a CB my. I have a royalist system having a Republican sisters so I thought well my royal sister will be happy for that and what what is Michigan but that was my justification for you I would. I would see what you think about becoming a night. I wouldn't WanNa do that. Yeah what is it. What is it entitle you to know? I mean I get married somewhere like simple. But it's Ah get buried. I mean what does it recognize. I mean recognizes your service to the art a wreck and I'm recognized for my service to the arts listen at C B is usually a precursor to getting a knighthood. Okay I see a while ago and I because I've been so active in Scottish independence even although we are determined to well they are determined to keep the queen she still she goes with the whole nine yards. We don't get rid of her. Yeah and that's another question but So even if you do you know You take back Scotland. You keep the Queen. Yeah Oh yeah well she has a house inbound more orange and also she is partly Scott Shah she is hop Scottish mean. She comes from one of the oldest families those lines which is a mother the festival. It's complicated but but even so you know you you know it's not will never be a proper republic right uh yeah because it's it's mired well that's the thing is like so many things it seems even in this country about what is just become accepted that yeah I don't think think any any of these like Scotland prepared to go to war. We kinda go to beaten very badly so all right so the globe winner. They Knicks tomorrow. Tomorrow Oh wow so so you got a Tux and everything Reagan. Yeah I've got all the crap you have to put on what should be good night. You like ricky surveys. Yeah Yeah you know. I mean he's a bit is a bit. He's been home counties from me but you know what is happening. Well he's English look. I don't mind that a lot of English. Humor to deal with them sometimes. It seems like a gimmick yeah. He's a gimmick. Now it is. It's it's odd you know. He created this amazing thing called the office. Grain and nunes astonishing. Great astonishing was kind of hard to know where he went on. I I taught extras actually. It was even better. I loved extras. The Isis was a great you asking and I think he's a talented man but I think he has. I think he's got a few demons. Sure Yeah and it's interesting to me that somehow another. Did you manage to avoid the demons you didn't you don't see new. You're not yet no. I mean you know when you grow up the way I grew up so Sumani demons around you. You very happy to get rid. That's one. I guess that's one way to go. Yeah just not succumb to be a lesson learned the lesson I was I I'm I'm very blessed because I saw I saw you know I. I went to school with some of the guys who are really psychotic. You know from news or just in General General Fund from Booze these kids. Yeah all right I mean I'm talking about ten euros. There's nothing more psychotic than on a ten year old and that's and the scary. Yeah because they have no. There's no moral kind of No lessons no they just they do do and then they used to do some horrible things Kelly hats and whatnot. Oh yeah and terrorize old people. I was the other thing which was pretty horrible half well WHOA. I'm glad that you miss that. I'm glad I missed out. So that was that was I think my growing up and you know there's nothing there's nothing more cruel the school playground. There's nothing more cruel than that and it turns out like Judging by a president that it can last well into your legs. I'd never has to stop. I think he's classically. An abused child classic or an abandoned abandoned as well abandoned and abuse and on I and and that way I haven't I haven't sat empty only certain but I had an empathy for not I guess empathy is healthy and in all cases. I think so. I think we've got on the stand. You know we have this great expression in Scotland called role where all John Thomson's bins. That is John Thompson is like him. Yeah and an Ben's that we're all his kits. Yeah we're all we're all on right you know under the Sun we all the same on I kinda I believe that to some extent. Yeah it's what you make of an don't make ensure I think that that's you know everything's up for grabs after that but fundamentally mentally and that's a an ESA thing about I mean. Sometimes it goes too far in Scotland. You know my mother's greatest praise would be. That was quite nice. Yeah uh-huh go nothing but that was it you know but that keeps you level keeps keeps you humble. It's a bit puritanical Michael because it does work. Yeah also guarantees. You never feel quite great no always humbled. Yeah you're GONNA do it. You'll do it exactly exactly meaning because because it means the chip on your show just gets bigger because you deserve it. It's a healthy chip. Great Talkin Doc in the event as lovely token to you thanks for coming you welcome but a great guy. What what a great actor? What a great conversation remember Succession on HBO. It's been renewed. Go catch up. It's really satisfying. And he did. Just win the Golden Globe that first performance in that show and don't forget with simply safe. You get comprehensive enterprise level security for your own home if there's a break in simplisafe refuses real video evidence to give police an eyewitness account of the crime and it cost US fifty cents a day go to simplisafe dot com slash W. t.f today and get a free. We simply safe security camera. Normally one hundred dollars go today. It's free will help you. 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