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18 - When God Feels Far with a Special Guest
"This is jenny and you are listening to the made for this podcast. Well guys. We have such an incredible gift for you today. you are going to love our guest. We're talking about indifference. And what do we do in the midst of a pandemic where it feels impossible to carry the burdens of the world on our shoulders. We we can't. And i think we all deep down know that. And so what are we gonna do about it and the easiest thing to do is to check out the easiest thing to do is to stop carrying because it's just too heavy and my friend. Jen here today is going to share with you. A little bit about her story of living in a place. That wasn't always safe. That was very different from the culture that we live in here and one thing. I love about gen. I've known him for many years. She was a part of our church plant and honestly probably one of the biggest influences in my daughter. Kate's life just helped raise her in the midst of that church plant and was one of her sunday school teachers and just made a huge impact in her life of what it meant to follow jesus in a radical way. We love gin dearly. Like family and yet jen felt called to go to places where i i. I don't know exactly where she was. I don't know the country she lived in. And i'm not protect your identity by just giving her first name but what i love about. Jen is even though she lived in a place that wasn't always safe and even though she carried burdens that i can't imagine day in and day out of the people she loved and lived with their gen has never lost her tender heart. She has never lost the just sensitivity. To jesus i saw in her as a young twenty something. Lebanon girl kate so jen we are so honored to have you here. Thank you so much for making time for this. And why don't we start with you sharing a little bit about where you been the last seven years. Yeah thank you so much jenny. As jenny said i've been For the past seven years. I was working in east africa. I went over as an english teacher and my heart. My goal was to go over. And and love on people in serve people in the name of jesus and recognizing that there was so much i was gonna learn as well but i just i got to a point in life where i was i was ready for just kind of a change a transition and and really prayed back in two thousand thirteen while it was actually two dozen eleven. I did forty day. Prayer journey just said jesus. Where would you leave. Be next end At that time that i was praying. Muhart wasn't to go across an ocean eh. But just through Seeking his word and asking him what he had for me. I was led into this community in east africa. There's a strong islamic culture that is protected and honored there and So obviously going in as a jesus follower but just really had a heart to go be with these people and learn what it means to love your neighbor and to learn what it means to love. another culture to love people of another faith with the love of jesus. Yes so i took off in two thousand thirteen and and was there until march of this year when the pandemic hit and when the pandemic had come back to the states i had already anticipated leaving this summer in two thousand twenty and then Just had too early departure in march so had about seventy two hours to leave my home of seven years in these people that i had loved and still loved dearly. And miss all the time but yeah. So that's that's kind of the background of where i was so talk about life over there. What was it like what did you. What did you love about it. Because i know there were so many things you did love about it. Oh yes the food was amazing for one. We had an amazing vibrant kind of culinary elections every day and the people were just the most hospitable kind of open hearted precious people and going over there. I think one of the things that was so dear to me in the whole journey was kind of coming from an american Faith culture american church culture. I think it's very easy to forget. How much of god there is to be experienced outside of that culture outside of our community of faith here in the states and so whether it was christians who were living in the country that i was in who had so much to teach me or whether they were my neighbors my muslim neighbors who have also surrendered lives to their idea of god and built their lives around their idea of god and the things the kind of general revelation that would come from them or the ways that god would use them to speak straight to my heart and straight to my faith and you know this is biblical but i think we miss it a lot. That god is is far outside of our american church culture and he does some really profound in miraculously things through the world around us. And i think that was just one of the things that i will always love when i reflect on. That journey is how what i learned about him. Outside of of what. I was accustomed to in outside of my normal kind of boundaries. For church and faith in spirituality tell us tells the story. Tell us an example of that. There are so much. But i think i guess this would be a great time to kind of kind of up and go into the the of big story of my seven years there. Which is that about eight months after we arrived in two thousand thirteen. I was arrested and i was arrested on suspicion of terrorism. There's a lot of instability in the region that i was in there. Were very honestly. There were good reasons for when i look back on it. There were good reasons for a local law enforcement to wonder about me as a american jesus following girl living in the midst of a strong islamic community and and again as as as believers our lives aren't always gonna make sense to the world around us and so there had been some insecurity instability some attacks in the region and so i was arrested again under suspicion of terrorism and interrogated for about three days. And that's a long long story that i'm trying to make really short but in the midst of those interogations one of my neighbors who is a muslim man And he lived right next door to me and he came up to the police station when he heard what was going on and he came to defend me he came to protect me. He came to speak on behalf of my character and again he had only known me for eight months and when he showed up at the station he was wearing a shirt From the ymca. And it had joshua one nine across the frau. So i was. I had again. I'd just been arrested. I was. I was in the midst of these very intense interogations on suspicion of terrorism. I mean my heart is raising. I don't i honestly don't remember much of even how i felt in that moment. I think i was so far removed from kind of my my physical body and and being able to process what was going on but i so clearly remember seeing his shirt and i knew joshua one nine i knew have i not commanded you be strong creative. Do not fear. Do not be dismayed for the lord. Your god is with you. Wherever you go. And i i in that moment i just. It's like frozen in time for me to watch this again. Muslim neighbor walk into the police station with these words. From from the lord straight to me in that moment. It's this terrifying reality. And i said to him. I sent it my neighbor. I said do you know what's on your shirt. I just kind of policy in trucks. Dina what's on your shirt. And he said yeah. I think it's from the bible. And i said do you know what it says and and i told him what the said and he he said. God's god sent me here with a message for you. You know and so. There's this profound moment of this is a muslim man. Who's to say this message from your holy book is for you from god. That was so shaping for season that is started off with this. I don't have to be surrounded by again kind of my normal ways of worship and community and church. God is going to meet me right. Where i'm at with the people that surround me whether they follow jesus or not He's gonna walk them right in with a message for me and in fact that man the after the night of the vote the first interrogation the officers really wanted to keep me in jail overnight and that man basically stood on my behalf and he said don't do that to her let her go home and sleep and i didn't know this until much later but he basically signed a piece of paper saying that if i fled in the night that he would serve time jan and so you see this profound sacrificial christ like love coming through this muslim neighbor and i. I want to be careful. I bet i'm not forgetting anything. But i can't think of experiencing that type of love from another believer in my life not because others wouldn't do it. But just the nature of necessity you know and so again to realize like i will forever have a different and deeper understanding of the sacrificial love for neighbor because of him not because i was demonstrating it to him because he came demonstrated it to me. We're talking about indifference this weekend. And i would love to hear what was difficult about being there. What were some of the times where you. I'm sure there were nights that you felt like. I just can't believe i'm here. I feel alone. Discuss some of those feelings and what it was like just to be so far from home and in a culture totally different than ours. Yeah so just to kind of carry on with that story. I think. I think sometimes we hear we may hear stories similar and we miss a lot of the new ones that exists and that there's a huge spectrum of what happens in the midst of these things so so when i was arrested i ended up being cleared of any terrorism related charges pretty quickly but our case ended up turning into an immigration case and it was basically. There's so much to it. That just simply don't have time to share. But i think it just became a situation where we came across it suspicious to a couple of people who had difficult time in and would have just preferred for us to leave. I think to make things easier on everyone. So they kind of created an immigration case and and tried to accuse us of immigration crimes that that just simply weren't true but that case lasted ten months and in the midst of that ten months so many things happened that i still kind of look back and feel like i'm just in a whirlwind when i consider all of them but one of the most significant. Was that my grandfather. Died in the midst of all that in In the in the case they had taken our passports and so we were stuck in the country that we were in and and couldn't go anywhere and for just security reasons and legal reasons. We couldn't even share with a lot of our family members. What was going on a lot of people back home. Didn't have any idea what was happening. And and so for my grandfather die in the midst of that and he was my hero. He was He was a hero to our family. He had been diagnosed with cancer just days before i left to go overseas and so i had laughed thinking you know we. We all have ways of making sense of what god is doing and we can pretty quickly often declare that and so as i was out you know. He's diagnosed with cancer. It was so shaking and it was so bizarre that kind of rationalized it by say. This is the enemy this spiritual warfare. So i'm going to stay. The course i'm gonna go and then god's going to heal him because if i'm obedient then god will heal and god will overcome the of the enemy and so two live. Now we're kind of going in many more months about a year into this journey and got his not my grandfather. His is declining quickly and does in fact pass away any passes away right in the midst of this trial and at the same time we have a lot of instability in our region. Which is ramping up. And so we're now not only in a security crisis because of the travel also in a security crisis of our we physically safe where we are doing need to move. Do we need to evacuate We did evacuate in the midst of that in fact the same week that my grandfather died and so there was judged the the intensity of emotion in all of those experiences was so heightened that i shut down completely i just i couldn't stand to feel anything and i remember so clearly. There was a day that we had to go to court We have thirteen court dates. in the course of that ten months obviously when you go to an east african court. I don't wanna be stereotypical in any sense but in particular place that we went in village setting these are not comfy courthouses. They are often. The courts are mobile. They go to different places they meet in abandoned school buildings and other buildings and things like that. But they're not they're not comfy. There's no air conditioning. They are packed. Full with people in so you can sit there for hours and just be sweating. Have you know no real sense of when you're going to be able to take a break for lunch or when you're going to be able to go get some water even go to the restroom and so there was one day in this was after my grandfather had passed that we were sitting in court and we were so packed in that we all had to stand and i just started to have this anxiety. Come over me and my whole body starts shaking. I've never experienced anything like it but my body was physically shaking. Even though my brain was kind of shutdown and i just close my eyes again packed into people next to me so i didn't know if they could feel me shaking tears. Start pouring out of my eyes and i kept saying genuine You can't cry. You can't cry because you don't wanna give the impression that you're kind of cracking under pressure because you're guilty or things like that so the perception of like all eyes are on how. I handle myself in this moment. It's going to give an indication of of guilt or innocence of this. This weight as the tears are falling and my body is shaking. And i just kept saying lord i need you i need you. I need your presence. Your presence is the only thing that's gonna pull me back together and jenny. It was silent and it was dark. And i didn't. I would love to tell you this story until you. Some angel appeared to me or that his spirit just flooded into that room and consume me and peace washed over me like a river and it didn't that was a turning point for me in in in a way my faith held during the rest of that journey because there was this sense in me and and there was a spectrum of emotions and feelings after that moment but there was this sense that if if i can be in the midst of this unbelievable suffering in god's presence isn't there then what am i doing this for. What is the faith. What is the point of following. Jesus if all i ask jesus for was his present and i didn't feel it and all i felt was silence and i didn't hear from him. Then why am i doing this. And i win this real interesting season of a lot of questions but it was like there were summed. It was such a spectrum. there were some days risers. Say god isn't real because there was something in me that new. I've always had this thing. That if god is real he is loving. There's never a never really had that thing where it's like. Oh god is israel. But he's fight four or he's he's unkind he's unmarried never had that i've always said if he's real he's loving so my natural next thing was always not love him because he didn't help me through that day and so therefore he's just not real and then there's the other days right Again rationalized say no. He's real but i kind of went to this really overreaching idea of his sovereignty where i said there is nothing i can do. That's going to move his hand. That's going to move his heart. He just is going to do what he's going to do. And he is loving but it's it doesn't necessarily mean it's going to feel like left to me and he is. He's an author. And i'm just words on page and he's i'm upon and i'm just being moved in a way just this kind of like. I'm just be sacrificed for his plan and it was a dark season for months. And i you know i. It took me a long time to be honest about that. Because you want to tell everybody that in the midst of your darkest pain he's going to show up and flood your soul with his comfort. And i couldn't and that scared me because i was i what am i. It scared me for myself but also for others. What am i inviting. Other people into then If that if he's not going to show up in that way. I love what you just did because you took us into the guts of that experience and in doing so you kind of showed us theologically what was happening and i wanna say this that that any of you struggling with faith and an i if you've read get out of your head if you've been a part of this podcast for long. You know that that was really the toxic spiral. But i was on for eighteen months so i know about that feeling of it just being dark and feeling like i don't think he's there but theologically a lot was going on and i think that's what i want to say to any of you. Struggling with your faith is don't just struggle like unpack. It like just did that work. And she she can tell you what she was believing wrongly about god and how that was affecting her like she can. She can see that now. That probably happened in. The moment probably is work and time later that you could even understand it an impact but i just think what we think about god matters more than we can possibly imagine. And so in that moment. You didn't feel anything. You're questioning your faith. What happens next. Yeah so it was. It was a lot of days of that. But you know i. I look back at my journal sometimes not often. It's it's still has its own pain you know so. I have to be careful in how much i dive into that. But i look back in my journal and and while on one hand i i remember this this darkness and this apathy. This indifference and indifferent too scary right like indifference goes past. I'm angry where. I'm confused or difference. Yeah old saying. That's beyond that. That is i. Think anybody if we've ever had any Relationship with a human any kind of relationship and you have been in that and you you move yourself passed away. I'm frustrated with you. Were angry with you and you move into a different. That's a scary place to be and feel scary And so. I remembered that now looking back that that is what i felt. That's kind of my primary memory is gosh. I was just so kind of indifferent to the lord and what he was doing. And i didn't have i had lost choice and i think that that's a whole other message. I had lost a sense of choice because we're had chosen to go where he called all of a sudden now. I was stuck there. There was no. I don't get to go home now. So i don't get to choose to go home and so now i'm i'm stuck with him and when i feel stuck with him then that now leads me when i feel like he's taken away my choice when i feel like he's taking away my freedom to serve him and i'm now a good kind of gone beyond as positive compelled to love but now i'm just stuck in it now. I'm sitting in this difference. In so i remember that primarily but then when i go back and look at my journals. There was still wrestling there. You know we all have different kind of parts of ourselves and and so you know you. It can be true that you are part of you is wholly in different in. That might be the primary part that is manifesting and emerging to the world. But there might still be other parts of you that are really tender and are really wrestling unwilling to submit to that so when i look my journals i do see this kind of like. I still have good where i'm like. I am writing to god. You know. I am praying. I am being very honest and saying what in the world are you doing you know and so i think we have to be careful sometime. We again we lose the nuance of of the complexity of who we are and were made in the image of god ride the most complex being that will ever exist and we are made in his image. There isn't complexity to us. And i i would say to to just kind of blanket statements they. I was indifferent and apathetic is unfair to the complexity of who i was in that moment And in those months and so there were parts of me that were still like wrestling but that wrestling came from. If i don't have him i don't have anything. I don't even have a passport anymore. So i can't get home so if if i don't have his present you know an spray in the journals you do not show up. I literally have nothing left. And if you're not real than what on earth am. I going to now do with life. How do i live. How do i move forward in life. Not believing this. Because i can truly say i got to that kind of pitt where you go. There is nothing here for me. There's nothing left. And so if i don't have you. What do i do so those months. That followed i continued to wrestle and and what i can say in so much gratitude to our lord. Is that our case was dropped. In february of two thousand fifteen and it was miraculously and beautiful and freeing but with the lord lead me to do and i now know that it was him leading me to again. These are things. I wasn't necessarily feeling but i can look back at sea where his grace was that in january before our case was dropped the lord in his kindness led me to do a solitude retreat and so i think i went for five days out in the woods completely by myself spent that time. I i remember having this image in my mind that might being. Was this tangled up ball of yarn like you take a piece of string in use wind wind wind and then the tangled mass and i just kind of sat and said i gotta take all these threads worn by one. I gotta take the grief of losing my grandfather. I gotta take. I gotta stretch it out and work through that. I have to take the grief of this trial. I have to take every fear that i have and i've gotta pull them apart so for five days. I did that in the end of that. You know reading. About jesus and barnum as jesus saying what do you want me to do for you. And that was kind of this really key. Moment of feeling jesus again and feeling his presence in hearing his voice after all these months and hearing him go. What do you want jen. What do you want me to do for you. And i was so scared. I was so tender because without wanna tell you because last time i was standing in that courtroom in all. I want you to show up and you didn't want to go through that again. But i got to this place where i was able to kind of make a list for jesus and and one of the things was not really digging to the bottom of my and saying i don't want this court case to be over. I want to see my family. Court case can injure it. Cannot and i can end up in jail convicted or i can end up free but i just want to see my family. That's right now. that's all. I want juice. I just want to be able to go home and see my family and if and if you let me do that and then i come back again and we go right back to trout. Whatever that's fine. But what the deepest part of what i wanted was to be with my family and my friends and so i had this again this retreat in january and got to the place where i was able to start talking to him again. Start trusting him again and that was a month before the case ended. And i am forever grateful that the trial indian was not the catalyst to my being restored in relationship with my lord. Because i can. I can say. It was not dependent on the circumstances of what was happening. But it was in in the woods the actual wilderness. The actual woods that i just sat and said jeez. Here's what i want. And and i'm gonna take this leap to trust you again and see if you'll do it. And but also feeling that sense of if he doesn't he still good and starting to rebuild This is beautiful. And i hate it for you. Because you're my friend. You're not some podcasts person. On interviewing and how as a prayer warrior alongside of this time i remember you sitting in my living room after it was over in hearing the story and just being brokenhearted for you and yet knowing that the evidence of god being with you was so obvious to me right. It couldn't feel obvious to you in the middle of it but it felt so obvious to me as you talked about what you just been through. How do you look back at it now. You see him in it even then what. What is that wrestling look like today. Not too tied up with a bow. Because i don't think it's that simple. But i do imagine you see the same thing Yeah you know. Jenny has like every day. You could ask me that question in a different answer. I think i absolutely see him. When i look back but what i see is that there are still days where i say. Did grandpa half to die in the midst of that like that just seemed a little extra now we did. We need to do that. That that seemed a little much. And and and the grief of losing my grandfather in the midst continues to this day. The idea that that he never knew i went through this. And and as long as i'm on this earth. I won't have that conversation with him to get his wisdom his insight and hear his heart on it and so there are still times now where i look back in and i say god. I don't know you know. I don't know why you that i don't know what meaning there is but i am getting better. I think i hope. I pray at just resting insane. And that's okay i. It's just so k. To say. I don't know why you did that but i don't have to make meaning out of it to trust you because i know like one of the biggest lessons for me in all of this was that god is as my father. God is as concerned about my sanctification as he is about anyone else's salvation and so i think is so important to him there. He's gonna let me walk this road and he's going to let me go places where i am crushed you know i m in some ways Brought down completely low in order. That i'm in such deep tremendous need of him and so i think now i look back and say i can't make sense of those moments. I can't make sense of the decisions that he made. I can't make sense of you. Know why when i was standing on trial that day and i'm having a an utter panic attack. Why was it dark. i don't know. But i know i know that. He is so concerned about my sanctification. In my process of transformation. And what i know those moments purchased for me is that at the end of the day. It's like you know when. Peter says jesus. Where would we go. You have the words of eternal life. We have believed in to know that you are the holy one of god. Jesus i know what peter saying there. And i have now internalized that in a sense of for the rest of my life all know that. There's nowhere else to go for me. Because i i know when everything in the world was taken away what that darkness that exists. If you don't have that to stand on you know. I think like c. s. lewis in in chronicles of narnia. He says i'm on as landside even if there isn't any aslund delete it. I'm gonna live like an armenian even if there is no narnia that is that is where i'm at because i know there's nothing better in the world and there's enough grader in the world then having this thing that i stand on and so i look back again kind of like i said i look back. I don't know why those those circumstances happen. But i know that my faith has been. It's grittier now but it's deeper in. It's more real than it's ever been and i'm more passionate about it and i'm more passionate about knowing my lord and Walking with him and and knowing that there are days where mike. I don't feel you. You know like it just feels really quiet today. But that doesn't scare me the way it used to members. Ian difference doesn't scare me the way it used to. It doesn't feel as terrifying of a reality. you know having gone through that really long season. I want you as we close to to speak to that person listening. That feels like they're in a fog. That feels like they are apathetic and they can't shake it. How would you encourage them. You know there's so much. There's so much i would wanna say in another ways. I just want to sit with them. The first thing i would say is. I'm sorry because i know how scary it is and you know there's a million reasons i think we get to apathy. There's a million reasons. We end up at indifference. But i know that it's terrifying. And so i'm sorry for that. And i'm sad if you're experiencing that and i think in this season of the world particularly it is natural and i think we we have somewhat of responsibility To kind of normalize some of these young right because agree with that. Yeah a community of faith we. We have responsibility to one. Another to to tell these stories to normalize what we're going through. You know my my my circumstances may have been unique But the reality of what it did to my faith is not and so you can get where i was here in the united states or overseas or wherever. But i think you know. Jesus didn't come in to shield us from these things. He didn't come to shield us from emotions. He didn't come to shield us. From the reality of experiencing grief or loss or apathy he came to dignify that and say. I'm going to enter in to be able to say with you. I am here. And i get it. And i also have my own humanity that can stand with you in front of boob. You know besides you behind you in the midst of these things and so what. I would encourage anybody who's who's in that to do is i. Just let it be what it is before you go wielding it off with every type of sword you can find a knowledge it saywhat is sit there with for a minute because i think it it can be such scary emotion that we start doing everything in our power but scramble into this kind of performative face of over you gotta pay more gotta remind bible more i got you do whatever more others of us are just gonna shut down completely and what i would say is. There's a middle ground where we receive it and say this is what i'm experiencing. And and now is the time to learn who. Jesus is in the midst of my apathy in my indifference to him. And to watch the way that he's gonna pursue me for however long it takes but like i said i think because we all get there in so many different ways you know mine i would say. My apathy was born out of a overwhelming grief and loss. I'd had a year of of just loss upon loss upon us. I couldn't take feeling that anymore. And so i just shut off all emotion so if you when you shut down the heart emotions you also shutdown ones that can stir joy and things like that and so you become again just kind of this numb being and so that's where mine came from other times. You know where we're coming into apathy for a variety of other reasons and so a lot of it's just figuring out man. Where did this come from so for me. I had to go deal with that grief and it wasn't even safe for me to process that grief for two more years after that happened i walked around in a fog for a couple years after my trauma and it and it took a while for me to be safe to process on bat in into comeback to life so to speak but i think a lot of figuring out where where did this start. You know if this is if this was some traumatic event in your life that you shut down because of you know like let's do the work on that. Let's do the work to get you to where you can it safe to feel your pain so that you can also feel your joy. But if it's apathy borne out of again just normal life circumstances what's going on right now you know. They're so much. Like i think if we to look at this kind of season of the world the state of the world and the church the global church but also the american church if we look at it even like prophetically you know. I think there's this. The lord is stripping the lord is really stripping and he's sorting and there's this thing where he's going. Hey church i love you too much to lend you all asleep amen. And so right now. We're seeing this time. Where where we have a choice because it is very easy right now to fall asleep in church literally right because we're watching it on zoom. So he turned video off. You turn off bosley Church literally. It's so easy. Or you fall asleep to your faith. Because everything is shutdown and i think the lord is is using this time to say. Hey you too much for that. I don't want that for you. And so i'm gonna if we pump up the circumstances and the lord's doing a million things right not just that but kind of if we look at what he might be doing puppy search circumstances. There's tremendous opportunity for you to turn and to go wake up. Wake up in your face. And so again i say i want to be careful again because i know so. Many people come to this place from really a wide spectrum of reasons. And so i think so. Much of it is just about figuring out. Where's that coming from. What's it borne out of. And and just practically i mean i know. Sometimes it's hard to you know we have these kind of things that we say. And i listened sometimes the things but what does that mean like. Do i do. And so for those people i would say one of the things i did in the midst of of my season was i wrote myself a letter and in the midst of it. I just said everything that i wanted my future self to know and when i look at that letter i just grieve for that girl and so it it helps me not look back with condemnation on myself but in this letter i you know i wrote to myself in the midst of all that and i said jan the best you can all evidence right now points to the fact that god doesn't exist but you want to believe he does and i told myself all these things and i think when we do that again it's going to help your future self look back in and discern rightly what was going on but i think also it gives you an opportunity where sometimes the voice of jesus starts coming out as you're talking to yourself and sometimes the ways that your comforting yourself. You will actually find that this is actually the the presence in the voice of my lord and savior who is comforting me. Speaking to me right now. And i think that that can be really helpful thing to do in the midst of it. Another thing is let somebody sing over. You let somebody read the scriptures over you You don't have to force yourself until like you know like reading two hours worth a the scriptures every day with somebody read it to you. If you've got kids have a kid have only kids come in and just read to you from the word. Have them sing a song over you. That is what this community of faith is for is to be able to say i'm apathetic. I'm not feeling anything. I don't want to open my bible. I don't want to stir you know. I don't want to praise and worship. But i sure can let somebody else come and do that over me and i can receive from that and i think again is is. That is what the community of faith is meant to be to one another in these seasons. And it's why it's important to normalize these experiences so that we're more equipped to serve and love one another in in true love and true christ-centered love as somebody who's experienced guys. This khloe and i wanna remind you about an episode. That jedi did with our friend. J a couple months ago on september eight. The episode is called. You don't hear stories like this every day with jamie bureau and it is just incredible story of what it was like for jay grow up in the slums of kenya. In where got his. Take him now. So this christmas season we wanted to do something a little bit. Special with our friends at compassion. And you guys for gosh going on like seven years. Now my husband james and i have been sponsoring boy godfrey in uganda and it is just one of the coolest things that we get to do together. I believe in child. Sponsorship impact me have a holo bulletin board in their of the kids who sponsored and compassion is one of those places we sponsor and the reason why is because we believe in their mission that they are about local churches and empowering local people to rise up in their communities to love their communities and to bring healing to their communities. It is real. 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NPR News: 02-04-2020 7AM ET
"Live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Korva Coleman. There is still no winner of the Iowa. Democratic caucuses the Iowa Democratic Party says the new APP that was developed account count caucus goers has malfunctioned party leaders. Released a statement saying they expect to release the caucus results later in the day today. Tom Courtney is coach era the Des Moines County Democratic Party. He tried and failed repeatedly to communicate caucus results to the Iowa State Democratic Party. This is a new thing this year. We're supposed to give the reason we were supposed to be able to have an APP reported. All you know almost instantaneously and that didn't work out. The APP didn't work. Things didn't work out right. I've I've been trying to call for several hours to to report my results and I can't. I can't get through a home phone number and I can't get through that numbers. Constantly Busy Iowa Democratic Democratic Party officials have insisted that the failure of the APP is not a computer hack aura. Cyber intrusion they say it is a reporting issue and compiling result is taking longer than expected. Meanwhile president trump easily beat two challengers to win the Iowa. Republican caucuses as more people become infected in China and die of the corona virus. One person has now died in Hong Kong. NPR's Emily Fang reports that Hong Kong medical workers are now. Oh going on strike city health authorities said the thirty nine year old man had been to the Chinese city of Wuhan where the virus began before. Returning to Hong Kong high-speed train he he did have underlying health issues. This is the second fatality from the new virus. Outside of mainland China Hong Kong stopped nearly all ground transportation links with the mainland halted cross border trains and have the number of mainland originating flights. But the city's medical staff want the entire border totally sealed off frontline doctors and nurses are preparing to strike today in an effort to force chief. Executive Carrie Lam to do so emily Chang. NPR News Beijing. Some voters near Baltimore Maryland will hold a special primary primary election today to determine candidates to run to fill the rest of the late Democratic congressman. Elijah Cummings term. He died in October from member station. Asian Dobie Y. P. R. Emily Sullivan reports. There's no clear front runner the Seventh District Spans from Baltimore to a few suburban counties and it's deep blue. Today's Today's Democratic winner is likely to win. April's general special election and right now the race looks wide open. There's been no major public. Polling candidates have conducted inducted their own but haven't leaked results. Democratic voters will see a few familiar names on their ballot including the late congressmens widow Meyer rocky more cummings. She's the former chair of the Maryland. Democratic Party and heads of Washington policy consulting firm also. Running is quite easy. fu-mei who represented the seventh district before four Elijah. Cummings he stepped down to head the. NWEA'S EP FOR NPR news. I'm Emily Sullivan in Baltimore. This is NPR. One of the two women at the center of the sexual assault case against Harvey Weinstein was back on the witness. Stand Monday in New York. Jessica man was cross examined for hours just by Weinstein's attorneys. NPR's Rose Friedman has more Jessica Man's testimony on Friday included revelations about Weinstein's body as well as allegations that he had raped her on multiple multiple occasions during cross examination. Weinstein's attorney Donna. Rotana asked man to read aloud many of her emails to Weinstein hoping to prove that the relationship was not only consensual sensual. But that man was using Weinstein manipulating him and trading sex for access to Hollywood parties and film roles one email man to a former boyfriend about Weinstein caused man to Saab so intensely. The judge halted the trial for the rest of the day. Man had written that she was looking for validation from the old man compared him to her father and explain that she'd spent and her life trying to break out of controlling relationships rose Friedman. NPR News New York. Turkey says that its military has struck dozens of Syrian government targets. This this comes. After Turkey said Syria killed eight Turkish military personnel in shelling in northwest Syria. The situation is expected to get worse. The United Nations is warning warning about five hundred thousand people have fled since December because of the recent violence. A South African court has issued an arrest warrant for former President Jacob Zuma. He's on trial on eighteen charges of fraud racketeering and money laundering in connection with an arms deal. When he was president the judges questioning Zuma's documentation saying he needs to be away for medical treatment? The warrant will not take effect until Zuma's case resumes in May. This is N._p._R..
South African Court Sides With Eskom In Clawback Dispute
"Careers the news at this hour on Africa Business Radio. South Africa's High Court on. Monday sided with Eskom in a dispute. The amount of energy regulates a NASA allow the stated senity Sa- cloud back from customers from. The East applied in the twenty four teams last, two, twenty, fifteen, hundred, fifteen, sloshing, sixteen and twenty sixteen in seventeen financial. Yes. Nurses to an eighteen decision to allow s come to recoup thirty two point six nine billion Van von mechanism known as a regulatory clearing account for those three years have been set aside, and it's must now come up with new decisions. Monday's ruling could lead to higher power tariffs as a called said it appeared NASA had disallowed as money for lower than forecast revenue based on the fundamental factual error. It sent this allowing some coal const was not rational, and that was the news at this time on Africa. Business Radio you can continue to listen live online at www. Does Africa Business Radio DOT, com or Von Arable? APP, thank you for listening.
NPR News: 02-04-2020 10AM ET
"Live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Korva Coleman the Iowa Democratic Party get still not named winner for Monday. Night's presidential caucuses officials say a smartphone on apple functioned. They say it collected caucus data correctly. But it only reported out data to state Democratic Party officials. They're blaming a coding issue issue with the APP Iowa Democratic Party Chairman Tori price says. The system was not hacked every piece of data. We have against paper trail taking longer than expected but it didn't place to ensure we are eventually able to report results with full competent Democratic Party officials. Say they the aim to release the results later today while Iowans awaited caucus results the presidential candidates address their supporters in Iowa before moving onto the next nomination nation contest in New Hampshire. NPR's Daniel Kurtz leave and attended Massachusetts. Senator Elizabeth Warren speech warned addressed a crowd of supporters Des Moines while the nation awaited did results from the Iowa caucuses. The Democratic Party reported Monday night that quality control checks on the data had slowed reporting Warren. Didn't address those delays or expectations for results instead. She focused on firing up her crowd for future nomination. Contests thank you for standing together fighting together. Persisting assisting together you have made me a better candidate and you will make me a better president. Xi ended the night. She often ends her events with the long run photos with supporters. Worn will now head onto New Hampshire possibly without knowing the results in Iowa Danielle Kurt Slaven NPR News Moines. The chaos in the Iowa Democratic caucuses focuses comes as president trump prepares to deliver the state of the Union address tonight at the US Capitol. President Trump won the Iowa. Republican caucuses easily defeating two challengers. Iran's judiciary says the country's top court has affirmed a death sentence for an Iranian man convicted of spying for the CIA NPR's Peter Kenyon reports state media say the man shared details of Iran's nuclear program with the US spokesman for Iran's judiciary said the convicted spy why is named Amir Ryan Poor and announced his imminent execution without giving a date or details of what he was convicted of doing the earnest. State News Agency reports that Ryan poor was paid by the CIA to provide unspecified. Details regarding Iran's nuclear program. There was no comment from the CIA. It's the first Iranian death sentence for spying on behalf of America. In nearly a decade tensions have been elevated between Tehran and Washington since two thousand eighteen when president trump reimpose sanctions on Iran a US drone strike earlier this year killed. Iran's top general customer the money Peter Kenyon. NPR News is taboo on Wall Street. The Dow was up four hundred forty six points or more than one and a half percent at twenty eight thousand eight hundred forty five. The Nasdaq is also up. One and a half percent up nearly one hundred thirty seven points it's NPR. Turkey says that its military has struck dozens of Syrian government targets. This comes after Turkey said that Syria killed eight. Turkish military personnel L.. In shelling in northwest Syria. The situation is expected to get worse. The United Nations is warning that about five hundred thousand people have fled the regents agents. Since December because of the recent violence in Syria. Malawi's Constitutional Court has nolde last. May's presidential election citing citing widespread irregularities. The court ordered a new vote within one hundred fifty days. Ishmael wound KWP has details. The court ruled that evidence of fraud in practice including their use of white out to order results undermined the vote incumbent. President Peter Mutharika Rica received thirty eight percent of the vote. His nearest rival got thirty five percent the result lead to deadly confrontations and widespread unrest throughout throughout Malawi. The court also ordered the fresh elections be held under majoritarian system. Which means the Weiner has to get more than fifty eight percent of the vote for NPR. News I'm his email addy. South African court has issued an arrest warrant for former President Jacob Zuma. He's on trial trial on charges of fraud racketeering and money laundering in connection with an arms deal when he was South African president. The judge is questioning Zuma's documentation nations saying he needs to seek medical treatment but the warrant won't take effect until Zuma's case resumes in May. I'm Korva Coleman N._P._R. News.
Wednesday, October 14, 2020 - The Christian Science Monitor Daily
"Welcome to the Monitor Daily podcast it's Wednesday I've covered for. Thanks for joining us. Dave Scott and I'm Samantha Lining. Per We're going to step off the beaten news trail from moment to talk about. Rats. We humans don't have much use for them. They fall somewhere between cockroaches and snakes on the creepy scale. That's what makes McGowan notable. We mentioned this little African Pash rat recently in this space when he won a British Charity Award for Animal Bravery. But we thought it was worth a closer look. Since, the inception of that award eighteen years ago, all the recipients have been dogs until now. What did our whisker knows rodent do well for the past seven years he's been quietly saving human lives by sniffing out unexploded landmines in Cambodia he was trained by a Belgian group that's been mopping up after wars in Africa and Southeast Asia for the past twenty years. Rats can do the job more efficiently than humans are docs and they're safer because they can lightly dance over a minefield without setting off the explosives. Unexploded land mines and bombs her problem in fifty nine countries. Nearly seven thousand people were injured or killed by mines in two, thousand, eighteen latest available tally. When susie a friend of mine with that's heard about McGowan's award. She wasn't surprised. They're like little dogs can call them by name they'll come they're very smart, affectionate, curious loving, and loyal she said. When susie yells bedtime her critters scamper underpants to be put in their cages. Suzy's perception of rats shifted years ago. Maybe, the courage award from guy will change how a few more humans view these off reviled lifesaving wrote S-. Out Today story so Our first story. The respect shown during hearings for US Supreme Court nominee judge Amy Conybeare Barrett. May Mask of political polarization building for decades. Our report looks ahead of the likelihood of scenarios that could alter the legislative and judicial branches. Unlike the House the Senate does not traditionally operate by the maximum of majority rules more deliberative. It's often described as the cooling saucer for the house, but that could be changing before our eyes. AMID THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE'S Hearing for Judge Amy Coney Barrett some Democrats are talking about increasing the number of supreme. Court justices. So a Biden administration could pack the court. They're also considering the removal of the sixty vote threshold informally required to pass most legislation. Such moves would change how government works though how significantly is a matter of debate? Their prospect is the latest development in a decade by decade arms race over judicial nominees that has amplified political division within the Senate. Some judicial experts including Greg Nunziata former chief nominations counsel on the Senate Judiciary Committee believe packing the court would politicize it especially in the eyes of the public. He says at every turn over the last fifty years, each party has used the tools at its disposal to fight over the control of the court and I don't think that's changing. The story was reported by Francine Kiefer for the Monitor. Next we'll look at a campaign experiment underway in the pandemic influence twenty twenty US election that may offer clues to the most effective way to get out the vote. Traditional or digital. How can politicians to connect with voters during cove in nineteen? Jim bogue net a Republican running to represent Pennsylvania in Congress shakes. Hands poses for selfies and recently spoke to five hundred people at a pig roast from the back of a pickup truck his opponent incumbent. Democratic. Representative. Matt Cartwright hasn't held large impersonal events or done any door to door canvassing since March. These diverging approaches reflected in races across the country including the presidential race served to reinforce the two sides core arguments. Democrats minimal door knocking respects, voters concerns about the pandemic while Republicans are trying to emphasize a return to normal life. Don Green a political scientist at Columbia University and CO author of get out the vote found that connecting with one thousand voters via door knocking generates forty votes while talking to one thousand voters on the phone generates twenty eight. But he says more targeted digital methods including. Democrats shift toward peer to peer organization could prove to be effective. Mr Green says we may find that virtual friend to friend contacts may be more effective than a stranger at your door. It's kind of too early to tell. This story was reported by story Hinckley for the Monitor. There's a conservation battle in Kenya over who best protects for us the government with all its resources and expertise or the ambitious people who've lived there for centuries. More than three years after a landmark case recognizing its ancestral home. And indigenous forced dwelling community in Kenya continues to face forced eviction. Living. Deep in one of Africa's largest forest the oh give people have spent years in Kenya in an international court seeking official recognition of their homeland. Despite a legal victory in two, thousand, seventeen, some three hundred osieck homes were destroyed by the Kenya Forest Service personnel earlier this year Daniel Kobe amount owed get any representative says we have now become synonymous with addictions from our in central. Land. We are now homeless and have sought shelter among other people. especially in the mirror schone area, he adds referencing villages neighboring forest areas where forcible fictions were recently carried out. Advocates of the Osijek who hoped to get their day in the African court on Human and people's rights late November point to community ownership models that have helped other indigenous communities in. Africa live in peace. Maruyama foreign works with Natural Justice a South African nonprofit that specializes in environmental and human rights law. She says, globally, we are moving towards the recognition that Community Co management, and conservation is the way to go when it comes to conserving forests for future generations. This story was reported by. Jeffrey. Commodity for the Monitor. Our reporter looks at the systemic and personal efforts to address suicide among American farmers. For those struggling with debt and depression healy often starts by reaching out to each other. Millions of dollars in debt randy roker had slid into a darkness that he was unable to shake. Despite years of careful planning his family's dairy farm was hit hard by the two thousand, eight recession. So he struggled alone until a friend and fellow farmer took his own life and twenty eighteen. Mr Rocard broke down in tears on the Sunday afterward outside his church explaining to the men gathered there. You have no idea what it's like when you're world is collapsing. Two years later, the support groups started that day operates as the farmer Angel Network along with other advocacy organizations, farm boards at cultural extension workers and politicians. They are mobilizing to reverse what has become one of rural America's more disturbing trends. One they stay that should be forcing a national reckoning over how this country grows and values food. Farm AIDS Alicia Harvey says, we've always known that stress emotional health behavioral health and agriculture are always connected to bigger financial and legal stressors. They have to do with farm strategies that are not centered around the well being and livelihood of people who grow our food. The story was reported by Stephanie Haynes and Lime Ridge Wisconsin for the Monitor. Our science writer takes us on his journey of reimagining life without a smartphone. It's a bold experiment in disconnecting in order to reconnect with his family. He's also learning the smartphones Swiss army knife concept may not always offer the best tool for a job. Oh No Carol, the Monitor, science technology and environment writer and a bastardly enthralled by technology but a month ago, he traded his iphone for a flip phone. In a chat with fellow monitor science writer Eva Botkin cocky. He says I've written a lot of stories on tech overuse, online misinformation, and all the ways digital platforms change how we treat each other and I realized that I wasn't myself immune to its effects. Life without his iphone has been a process of unbundling all the functions of a smartphone. Owen says. He reaches for a weighty flashlight in the dark turns the dial of a kitchen timer and goes into another room to access the. Internet. He says, it feels a little bit like it did in the early two thousands when we wanted to use the internet to look something up, we would say I'm going online. Owen isn't disconnected. He's still always near a computer tablet, but he says I noticed that I'm a little more present with my family I no longer consult wikipedia during dinner I no longer check the news while I'm playing with my kids overall I feel a little freer a little less tethered. The story was written by Eva an Owen for the Monitor. Now commentary on the global economy from the Monitor's editorial board. Economists almost everywhere are scratching their heads. Why is the world economy performing better than predicted six months ago after pandemic stop much commerce. Which of the many theories in the dismal science called economics are actually working. The International Monetary Fund sites unprecedented government support a business and households others white to debt relief. Some praise safety net programs still others commend workers and employers for coping with. Krona. Virus. Such a debate is the GOINT. Each. Major Economic Crisis, the Great Depression of the nineteen thirties to the great recession. A decade ago has generated new ideas and a broader consensus about what sustains an economy. The coronavirus induced recession be no different. Economic, progress has long been linked to progress in practical proven ideas that transcend all debates. From the data watching analysis by the IMF others the news about the pandemics effects does seem Graham. The ascent out of this calamities like we'd be law uneven and highly uncertain I Kita Gopinath the I'm s chief economist. Yet, every big shift in the economy can bring fresh ideas and with them a spirit of collaboration. That's our news. You can find the full night versions of these stories in today's issue or at CS monitor dot com slash daily. Thanks for joining. US. Come back tomorrow. We're working on a story about how global friends and foams might respond to a Biden presence. Today's Christian Science spiritual perspective. is about how considering the idea that everyone has a god given capacity to express wisdom humility and fairness. Opens the door to experiencing more of those qualities. Here and now. Find the column in today's issue. Seems bonk dot com slash Dave. Race of gratitude to our stab hooting today's audio production. Jessica Dosa. Purpose and Jeff. This podcast is produced by the Christian Science. Monitor Copyright Twenty twenty.
Are the world's national parks failing nature? (part two)
"The Guardian. Hello I'm Patrick Greenfield I'm phoebe Western whereby Westie and environment reporter for the Guardian and we working together on a project cooed age of extinction all our work centers around one topic, catastrophic biodiversity loss and ways we can tackle. This week is a pilot. If you like us let us know and hopefully each month will bring more stories from Avi to science weekly check A. Last episode for part one where we delved into the origins of the National Park Movement in the UK and the US because they're not doing as well for nature as you might think. But this episode we're expanding horizons because last week while leaders came together virtually for a first of its kind. UN Summit on biodiversity, the British government is absolutely committed to tackling biodiversity loss. and. Many of those leaders made a pledge for nature. It's why we helped to shape this leaders pledge from Belgium climate change and the loss of biodiversity have devastating. To Bolivia ready for me. So their products, he'll eat for Sweden's time to act. To save our life support system to Bhutan. I'm a big fan of this global pledge Canada for the health of nature for the health of our citizens we must do no less Kenya is not just. A. Mauritian. Also question of spy. For All of us. Along scientists, pledge governments negotiating a new set of biodiversity targets for the next decade. As things stand it will place thirty percent of the world's. And Land Environmental Protection. But that figure aesthetic percent could have unintended consequences. And that's what we'll be looking out today. Of course, I was born in a place called. So go mouth for complex Daniel Kobe is an indigenous land rights campaigner an executive director of the People's Development Program. Would my late father we used to go hunt a Kenyan based NGO working to secure the land rights, the indigenous or get community in anytime disclose what close will stay for two weeks and with my brother who is A teacher. Now, he's telling me about the MAU forest complex in western Kenya where he was born. So we have a lot of connection that forest and and and I still feel and I always feel bad when I see some of the eighty s will use to go when young and that have been destroyed and they've been cut down the trees have been cut down. So these are some of the things which I find it very. Important the okay. People are an indigenous hunter gatherer community living within the forest. Yes. We have a local emotional and spiritual attachment because of kind of we've been brought up there because that's where we have what is Giradi where we have we used to pray tooting incision. We Gwen, get some some specific plans do for incision passes, all kinds of ceremonies involve using of of also of Pres straps. So we have. Lots of attachment with a forest and with their foul nine fora. The interest of their community has been to have full ownership of more complex and that the this is the ancestor line where the ancestors have been buried. This we we will born migrated gun father was born there and and Hans we feel is than vitamin which feet sauce win is an indigenous community here in Kenya in twenty seventeen, the old yet community one, eight year court battle against the government's plan to victim from the ancestral land in the mouth forest. The reason behind the government's attempt to evict the community lund conservation that Kanye for the sybase CDC's Oakland Salvation Idiot or protected idiot for government forest. So we have been struggling when the African of human and peoples rights handed down the ruling they said, the Kenyan government had violated the rights of the People Gordon be clear that there is folded as. At Goes To a foot, the ruling was that mal for complex is dances to home depot Gig I then indigenous people of Kenya and that. would. They'll Gig a why the one which was destroyed the mall for this complex but it was government who was forseeing all kinds of destruction in other was they were nice and their prayers Wahad. Despite the ruling. Ownership of the land has been far from assured and what's The even raise most recently that been eviction even a or Gig despite Dhabi wander the decays African court. The only thing is that the government's the all we comply we will respect but for now three yes, nothing has happened they'll leading up promises just promissory notes that we will do it will do it but in reality nothing is happening so. The Dow. been. For the community. So they're feeling a rejected they've not been given. What did Sovist there? Then after they won they case according to human rights? Watch. Says 2018 Kenyan authorities including officers from the Kenya Wildlife Service and Kenya Forest Service have victim more than fifty thousand people from the mouth forestlands, including members of the Oak get community. Those carrying out the evictions of using violence and excessive force. The Russian behind those evictions conservation and saving the forest ecosystem, which the government says is under threat from illegal settlement and deforestation day of nor consign -able blitz community. Will protect or not or their concern is that what? To do as government officials, much of this ongoing dispute comes down to a failure of the Kenya. Forest Service to see Daniel and his people as protective of the forest instead arguing the role of the protected is there's and it can only be done properly. The yet been removed to saas been the discussion by the Kenya Forest Service or the government that they don't trust the indigenous peoples that they can be best conservationist. They GonNa be the the best to protect the forest and we have tried to show them. Even we consob some hand hundreds of acres, ourselves subsidies as a in my organization to to try and prove and given modell to the government that you give us a chance we can. You give us a chance to protect the forest to eat but unfortunately realized that they don't. Seem to to trust their GIG can protect or Ken every south and protect the forest but this is not true. It's a solid always thinking no indigenous people we have tried to to tell them of models which have been globally that indigenous people given a chance taking the best conservationist because for the Gig they have seen the photos at home it is like a supermarket for them. It is where they get the admitted seniors where they get their food is where they get that kind of solace feeling a place where you feel comfortable to be. So they will definitely protect Wendy are given a chance to do it by the government. Do you think indigenous voices are being left out of the global conversation about national parks. Yes it is dabbing annoyed because one of these on that whenever there's any conversation, they seem to be having an upper hand. So the best way to avoid them is to have them on board and you can find that some conservation despite some communities like the Maasai in Kenya that having a consultancies or to Cola community conservancies they opt out on forest. But. Did they contain some government lands not to have them at all and it is commonly another puzzle Africa. Even to US Canadians like Namibia Botswana rest and you can sign that they're that some of the bushman download consulted. So they issue here is that most of indigenous communities are not consulted. When sight kind out happening? Lost episode you heard from Christie Brigham Chief of Resource Management, and Science for Sequoia and Kings Canyon National Parks the US has his own complicated history of dispossessed native people. But according to Christie indigenous knowledge is a critical element of the future of its national parks. We have a long way to go thankfully are tribal partners of the kindest most gracious. People that I have the pleasure of working with, we are meeting with tribal partners and talking about things like indigenous burning and gathering and protection of and nurturing of vascular tree materials, and we are trying to find ways to continue to have tribal stewardship on parts of our landscape and with us. So I would say right now it's mainly conversations and trying to learn more about how the many tribes that lived here and continue to care for this land and come in and spend time in the parks and keep an eye on the Berry Bushes and let us know when the oaks are looking bad and. It's it's a series of conversations and I'm really hopeful that in the next decade, those conversations will become shared stewardship projects where we're able to work together and have tribal members helping us take care of these lands once again especially given. The long history of European exclusion of native Americans from these lands. Ahead of the UN biodiversity summit can use president. Hurricane Yata also backed leaders is pledge for nature as a sign of steadfast commitment. To. Hold. and. REVERSE BIODIVERSITY LOSS and put nature and our ecosystems on a path to recovery. By twenty fifty. So Patrick, how does the community feel about that figure? I did ask Daniela Bothe- I list communities are allowed to participate owed other to be involved in how brain from consent of what is happening I think it will be a dangerous move. For. Indigenous. Peoples because most of these are geared towards the scientific approaches but the indigenous peoples I'm allowed or given a chance to really divine home might because the deposit and came up with a calculation and the how big is the Tattoo passe and I always did affecting indigenous peoples what what role should indigenous voices play in this process in conservation efforts in an a national parks in many cases they should be allowed to decide. For. themselves. Day should be allowed to design what belongs to them. That should be a paradigm shift completely to allow the GIG or the other indigenous communities of forest dwelling communities to spearhead conservation. Interesting what Daniel saying because? As we had in the last episode with John. Muir conservationist typically being a top down approach and we hearing with all of these thirty percent pledges the creation of national parks and wild spaces and it's all coming from above. The I guess Daniels flipping that and saying, we need to think about the roots groups looking off to their local land obsolete I mean you and all the other day when we were covering the UN summit on on Biodiversity Listens World leaders talk about how important it is to to protect large areas of the world. We heard from the Chinese leaders using paying Antonio Gutierrez, the UN secretary general, and then suddenly an Indian indigenous youth activists are Saunas Harangue shocked actually I think is fair to say the summit by saying this target could be the biggest land grab in history. Millions of people to landless forward all in the name of conservation the moving us from a land in order to protect nature is deeply colonial and environmentally damaging. We should be the leaders of conservation not victims of it. There was lots of good talk, but actually these latest thus far have completely failed whom I think every single one of them has failed to look after by diversity. So I guess you kind of doubt like what makes us think this model is now gonNa work going forward given Historical? Which is pretty depressing some of the Fox figures around the potent of indigenous communities to diversity. He owed already very stop indigenous Communities Ernie account for twentieth of the human population but I support around eighty percent of the planet's biodiversity by start from the World Bank. Even, in the UK thought thirty percent target and loan isn't necessarily going to help Kate Jennings came to the same conclusion. So at the moment, the UK government includes both national parks and areas of outstanding natural beauty in the area of land that is protected in the UK finance traits. In case you need a reminder is the head of sites and species policy of the RSP be that is misleading because at the moment they're not primarily mellish Taneja statistics show not doing well for nature. I guess if we ought to commit to that thirty percent by twenty thirty target for protected areas than than, we will need national parks amongst other places to do much much more F- nature. I guess again, the the comparison with the rest of the world is in other parts of the world. Are Larger areas of much wilder less intensively managed habitat, which it kind of stalls in a better place nature on national parks is starting in a bad place for nature, and so they need a lot of investment and a lot of effort to make them better for nature to make them really drive nature's recovery. This pledge could be only the beginning just one step on a journey of many miles. We must turn these words into action. Most of the lead dust do not know. Maybe, if you are been in New York on London and you're talking about a forest which you have never seen, you may not really know what we are talking about. But the if you allow the pattern from forest from from. One of the foresty in Brazil or somewhere you'll be able to get the exact what forest our talking about that. Some pulled indigenous peoples. In. Protecting the forest. allowed them and give enough budgets to support indigenous peoples goes down many times when they want to do things, Davos should coming because. They do not have the funds to do things which can be able to protect even their livelihood and even in conservation. So they should be allowed that the people who are there, they weren't who have the knowledge if the evictions of the Okay People Continue what is Kenya stunned to lose? WHAT DOES THE WORLD STAND TO LOSE? That's a very direct question because I cannot see it is organic to lose not not not Kanye because they are doing it for their own interest. Is that will only lose. If you Java community addition. Will remain in the books history that used to be committed. Lowest bit tradition and traditional knowledge, which is there we take us for for for posterity. dumbing picture of national parks around the world and you UK. So we look into the. On National Parks failing nature and the answer is, yes, they are I think lots of people and myself included thought for a long time. The national parks must be good for nature because I want humans in them they're amazing open expenses but the more you dig into the topic, the more you realize that. There are some serious flaws in the way that run at the moment on this conversation about protecting biodiversity making sure these areas where nature thrives without speaking to you the indigenous communities that actually live in these areas radio we need to look at what the phrase means a little bit more these in national parks these expression of a country's relationship with nature in many ways on dynasty taking more seriously. Own. Even this thing to the age of extinction takeover of signs weekly. I'm Patrick Greenfield I'm phoebe Weston and we're both bite of ice tea and environment reporters with the. Guardian. This episode was produced by Leona made the executive producer was maxine Anderson and the commissioning editor of extinction is Max Bateau. The age of extinction project is supported by the ban foundation and by the Wyss Foundation. If, you want to find out more about this content head over to the podcast page of the Guardian Dot Com. 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'Hope is not what we need': UN Rapporteur urges governments to fight for human rights
"This is a CBC podcast. I'm Elliott welcome to idea. It's the evidence gathered by the inquiry suggest that the killing of Mr Kashogi constitute extrajudicial execution an enforced disappearance and possibly an act of torture for which the state of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is responsible that is aeneas Kalama speaking to the United Nations in June twenty nineteen get him out as the UN special rapporteur on extra-judicial Summary or arbitrary executions. She's an expert expert on freedom of expression and on human rights specifically the abuse of human rights when states' kill people outside the bounds of international law and moral norms so it fell to her to investigate on behalf of the international community a crime so heinous its description often requires hires at disturbing content worn writer and journalist. Jamal Khashoggi's killing inside the Saudi Arabian consulate in Istanbul was initially really denied but the actual events were beyond fiction. Saudi agents suffocated him and then dismembered his body while his fiancee saint waited outside. The news prompted outrage. The world is rife with stories of disappeared and murdered activists writers and journalists so why the Castro she's get so much attention. It's true that he was well connected in both the east and the West that he wrote for The Washington Post but there's more to it than that Calamar calls his murder a crime of our times when human rights like freedom of expression are constantly violated and and in more and more violent ways and when states flout international norms with impunity. She says they become a danger to all of us. DT sending a message to torturers two kilos to a abuses around the world that actually as long as they do it and violate human right no one is really. GonNa stand against them. These are times says Kalama Emma when it's easy to doubt the truth and reports about human rights violations when the cacophony of voices online isn't bolstering democracy or the equality is values quite the opposite she says all of those factors have contributed to what some people have described as a cacophony of ideas ideas an anarchist call environment when it comes to information and ideas where it may have become very difficult for people to determine what's right what's wrong. What's correct. WHAT'S INACCURATE. WED scored what's bad. I had the chance to speak beak with annual scammer at her Office at Columbia University in New York. Here's the first part of our conversation in a job that involves truth telling you must come across some horrific crimes and violations of human rights and probably an endless number of them but I wonder what you could say about about the Kashogi case. What does it say about our times about this era that someone like him an opinion writer no matter what is agenda could be killed and dismembered in a in a consulate in a in a country that many of us visitors tourists is a crime of our time in many ways a long ways what we know what we think we know is happening in some of the conflict terry as what we noise aw happening in our own democracies with the rise of hatred being expressed to act of violence in in a way that we may not have experienced before so it is a crime of all time. I because the targeted killings or violence against individuals whose freedom of opinion independence of mind is challenging some form of power that is very much a reflection and increasing reflection of the days we live in and in my opinion is becoming closer to a Cold War era than what we have experienced for the last twenty years of course the targeted killings of John is not new the targeted killings of human rights defenders of political activist is not new in an era where differences his between individuals between groups between political parties is being expressed increasingly increasingly to either very violent discourse or act of violence the logical amplification implication of that era is that people like Mr Kashogi on target and violently yeah because what they stand for is independence of mind independence of us and because in this case in addition to that it was also formerly with someone that was part of that power structures and he moved out out and that's a form of disloyalty that is gonNA receive the I think the harshest response response on the part of those who get challenged by that so that's one wanting the second aspect of white. He's a a crime of all time is because of the extra territoriality of the crime what we are seeing being right. Now is an increasing targeting of individuals by their homestate while those individuals aval ready sought refuge elsewhere it is a reflection of the impunity that is being attached to those coined off crime cities a reflection of the determination of number of states around the world not on Saudi Arabia to challenge inch the post were to normative framework that has been in place for since one thousand nine hundred forty eight so for all those factors. I find and I see the killing of Mr Kashogi as as a crime of our time the dismemberment it's easy to crime time. I mean you know we we live in a very gory era in many ways so possibly there's an irony in in at a time or in an era where so many people are allowed to express their opinions and in so many ways that it was his independence of mind as you say that that led to this. I just wonder what that says. I mean what does that say about Saudi Arabia so as you probably know the trends regarding freedom of expression of have not been that good over the last ten years with a number of countries adopting laws and practice which are very much in contradictions. We's normative standard on freedom of expression that includes our on our own countries trees so the tolerance for independence of mind the recognition that this independence of mind is enriching reaching societies that freedom of expression es essential to the unhealthy a democracy all those concept are very much challenged around the world indicates of Saudi Arabia. That's not new you know the free speech in Saudi Arabia as never really been value that has been espoused by the rules of that country so what's happening right now. I think he's the in my opinion and something that I hope I I have well reflected in the report is the fact that for a few years now the targeting of individuals that are working and breaking the red lines even not as dramatically because I don't think jemele casualty ashoke was at all radical thinker and what's happening right now in Saudi Arabia is an increasing violence silence in the silencing of people. This is reflected in the imprisonment of individuals who as I am mentioned are not even challenging the the political system in place. We you know for instance a woman activists to wear only demanding the right to drive all the right not to have a male guardian. I mean this cannot be seen as a challenge to the political a monarchy to the political system so fact that those individuals lack Jamal Kashogi like some of the princes aren't being targeted and are being targeted in a very violent fashion that to me is he's a reflection is a new reflection for that country and when that he's extremely worrisome when you look at the bigger picture of of these kinds of violations his freedom of expression human rights and I just wonder how much you think in the background is this failure or beginning of failure or or the process of failure of of democracy as we know it okay on on a bigger yeah because we we will never suggest that there was any form of democracy in Saudi Arabia Arabia what we are witnessing right now. Democracies are undermined in many ways at the moment because you think the political parties are witnessing a very difficult moment. I corps that the Denise of the traditional political party as vector through which organized viewpoints out driving the society so the political parties do not play the role that they use was to play democracies are increasingly reduced to election which do not reflect necessarily what what democracy should be all about so the pulse of democracy who elections is definitely showing. It's not very healthy. The normative OMETEPE basis for democratic political systems are also being challenged whether it's around freedom of the press freedom of expression freedom of associations all of those freedoms of exploded food and are stretching the boundaries of what people won't in ways that democracies that as we know them. I'm not quite do not quite know how to handle the last industrial revolution the technology revolution the artificial intelligence revolution is also creating huge challenges to I'll societies and to the political systems attach to our societies democratic societies so we are in We are in a bit of a crisis. There is no doubt any teaser crisis soap democracy. What do you think happened because we were. We were all promised I in the ninety s that this was the era of Western liberal democracy of of human rights of freedom of expression of democracy in general what happened what went wrong I mean there can be different explanations former long-term hysterical standpoint it may be that our societies are looking for a new form of political organization that democracies are now two two and a half centuries old and that the basis upon which we have established those democracies need to will be reconfigured to. I mean I've mentioned the political party which I think is being pushed aside and we all all sing that in a number of countries where individuals soy elected that do not have necessarily a very strong political party affiliation so so when the the form of social organization that as driven democracy and political democracy does not play their roll anymore. I think what we are witnessing that being reflected at the moment second globalization. WBZ As carried a great deal of challenges that have not necessarily been well understood by out democratic regimes. I'm one of those challenges is inequality that yes within the human rights. Remark discrimination is certainly Tony something that has been a big focus but as a big difference between discrimination and inequality and both democracies in general and certainly our human rights community may not have fully understood the our. Oh deep inequality has taken hold of our societies and how much it as fed resentment sentiment and anger and a sense of wanting to change the system that has been associated. Did we arise because inequality as reason even though poverty has diminished inequality as reason so that's I think of second factor I think globalization is extremely challenging. Twelve societies to the sense of self to the way communities organized to the way people understand their their life both in terms of livelihood in terms of culture and how much the nation state all the communities are being challenged by globalization as an economic phenomenon as a coach told Finoman as a financial finoman. I don't know whether we have fully fully grasped the implications of those four societies so that also has been the hallmark the last thirty years as I have already mentioned the information technology revolution as become a major factor facto disruption and again. It is disruption that he's I mean it's beginning. It's not fully understood. We can recall that the industrial revolution. Shen of the nineteenth century as driven major social upheaval and indeed at least the first towards war so what will be impact of the information technology revolution. I think we're just trying to to assess it right now and it's really at the beginning these these technology revolution is far from being settled. What we are witnessing is just beginning of of its impact. The information ecosystems completely radicalized radicalized it as no relationship between the we information is processed distributed understood now and the way it was even ten years ago the implications of that for the individuals for our capacity to understand the world. I know miss and they are not all positive which is also something we are discovering. There was a period where we celebrate that multiplication vacation of opportunities for people to express themselves and to receiving formation and right now with discovering that the multiplication of channels on all sorts of information as bought with enormous challenges including around the transmission the multiplication multiplication of ideologies that are extremely destructive to the way all societies. I've been organized until so now so for all those reasons I think the the end of history there ever was one as not a whole call or Kurt and what we are in the middle of is trying to understand what that Easter is going to be like and hoping that it's not gonNA GONNA be as bad as some predicting you mentioned the multiplicity of of opinion and what are the implications for our understanding of freedom of expression. How how has that changed over the thirty years that since the the supposed- end of history I can only give you my my opinion as the freedom of expression activists and I and you know a bit of a a an expert since I've been working on that for very long time my my own. Johnny is shifting quite a lot so I certainly began fifteen years ago adopting a fairly abs not not only I was never an absolutist when it came to freedom of expression but I certainly was one person who strongly suggested that speech and information coud be the whig toll which ideals that may be destructive could be best addressed that ideas that way of racist discriminatory very sexist homophobic nature need to be debated in an open space and that at the end the good ideas we I previous somehow that tools there naively I think the position I had what have you found a story that has been the trend so yes we always have as society's periods where ideas such chaz Nazem such as apartheid deeply ingrained racism in many countries around the world. I've been the norm home within certain societies or even globally when it comes to racism for instance eventually those ideas have been combatant batted and have seemingly fallen off or I've been limited to some fringe apart of our society society. We've the information technology revolution with a multiplicity of ways to which people can express themselves can receive in formation the fact that so called news are no longer the privilege of organize media. All of those factors have contributed to what some people have described as cacophony of ideas and anarchy call environment when it comes to information and ideas where it may have become very difficult for people to determine what's right what's wrong. What's correct. WHAT'S INACCURATE. What's good what's banned. These environment has created a blurring hiring of many things when it comes to the world of ideas and ideology and right now that blurring is not working towards strengthening of democratic ideals. It is not working to welds of strengthening of the value of equality and the value of non-discrimination it is not a strengthening the feeling of cosmopolitanism quite the opposite as certain political elections are reflecting so a number of governments are looking into ways of regulating that space there would have been a time when I would have said. It's absolutely dangerous. I still think that it presents many challenges and I'm very worried with the way regulation is going on the other hand. I also think that the notion that more speech is the solution. Listen to the battle of ideas. I don't think that's GonNa work at the moment and but I don't have necessarily an solution solution as to. How do we manage that environment. All I know is that we need to be fully conscious. That world's speech in formation at the moment of direct implication for the world we live in in ways is that maybe we have Alger. Narration may not have experienced before what are your concerns about when societies favor the collective collective over the individual right to freedom of expression. What are some of your worries about that yeah so that's you know that's that's why. I'm being very careful when I suggest that the standard that were in place that I certainly spouse twenty years ago are sore challenged that we need to be pre payet as activist and to really rethink some of those our approach to the regulation of freedom of expression. I think that under international law and International Human Rights through it has always been possible to a regulate freedom of expression on the basis of what you can do to society so there is nothing new there and the courts around the world particularly though in Europe and the European called the Inter American court the African Court of always for the last seventy years for one twenty s for for the most recent one. I've determine the best tweet of balancing the individual rights of the speaker with the rights of others which could be at the right of beneath nic group the right of individual the right of society in general so that is at the heart of the international jurisprudence the balancing of rights so. I don't think that's necessarily an issue. I think the courts including in Canada. The courts are are very well practiced with that juries prudential experience. I'm not worried about them. I'm worried about the fact that the infomation environment is such at the moment that the practice of balancing rights is being made more difficult. It is one thing to balance the right of the speaker who who was made a speech Yvonne in from Iran on television and let's say the right of community you know that's one thing that you can do but what about when a contact densify the origin of the speaker very easily or at all be he when the speaker may come from a different country and you have no jurisdiction some on that person three because the original speech may have been one thing but the multiplication by android thousand millions of tweet of repackaging packaging of the original tweets. How do you balance that with the right of a group that may be the object of that original the speech. I think the challenges there are enormous challenge of jurisdiction. They are challenge of the various actors that have played the role in the section of the original speech and in in its multiplication. It's not only the people who made the speech originally generally. It's not only those that may have duplicated it or re tweeted it. Maybe they didn't even know what they wear retweeting very well but it's so the the social media companies have allowed that coined of information to multiply so you know all all of those are extremely challenging elements for which the jurisprudence and courts and governments and us are trying to to find solutions we haven't yet we do not quite know yet tau to deal with it. Governments are going heavy handed with legal step criminalization social media companies are pretending they are doing monitoring but when they do they don't do it very very well because the investment of in it because they the use of official intelligence to monitor speech and I'm not sure that's working very well and at the end of the day's business model is predicated on the multiplication of data and information so in that that environment is so complex we definitely have not yet found the way of handling it and it's one thing being to look for answers within the information system what we do know very well. Is that the ideal so some of those ideas are being translated into act. They are being translated into acts of violence. We have seen that in the most recent at least it is alleged that the most recent act of violence in Paso which resulted I believe in twenty not seven dead the person responsible the perpetrators. I've use language that had been already part and Paul also of that environment so you know. How do we manage that question. I could ask ask you but I guess there is no answer. The moment there is no answer I I personally think that the the social media companies of an an incredibly important role to play because let me use my human rights jargon I believe that governments adver I have a responsibility to respect and protect rights because they have the jurisdiction to do it most of the Times it's based on on on the concept of sovereignty based on the concept of jurisdictions and also driven by the fact that they have the capacity past city to respect and protect the rights when it comes to information when it comes to the new ecosystem system. I don't believe that governments have what it takes to regulate well that new environment they can do something but the actors that really have the capacity boss practically technologically and impossibly legally to regulate properly that environment all the companies. How do we manage that. At the moment. Those companies are not recognized as they do not have the legal personality that make nick them recipient and responsible for the protection of human rights my suggestions which is at you know his both substantive abstenteeism and procedural east to move to a put the recognition of non-state actors including corporate alright active such as social media companies as having a legal personality and as being attribute you to arrange of human rights so big ations on the basis of their capacities to respect and protect the rights and if they didn't. I I believe the next step eventually is going to be a treaty now. Most human rights treaty all treaties fourth hour. All treaties involved the state. Are you from time to time for instance a convention on the rights of the Child me-mention Non State actors the convention some on the right of people with disability may mention non-state actors but the actors that sign on and ratify entreaty. I've always been state historically. They've only they've always been the only actors of international law so my proposal along with other people proposal is pretty radical proposal because it he's suggesting that in the world we live in we must bring into to that plane that international plane that international legal plane we need to bring non-state actors that I've the capacities to respect and protect writes in a way that states cannot so. Would you have them ratifies treaties absolutely are we love them them. I will have I the treaty being drafted and then we'll have them ratify the treaty so there is at the moment draft wbt zero of a treaty for business and human rights which is being developed and drafted out of Geneva so we're moving moving in that direction and I don't think we can escape moving into that direction just very quickly on that. How's it being received this idea of a treaty that would bring inc operation when they are you know like every treaty some supporting it some not. We'll have to see you know how the draft is. GonNa be. developing there are opposition to that notion both from states pumped some states and these opposition as well from within my own community there are many human rights thinkers will pose the idea of attributing human rights somebody Gatien's to actors other other than the state they think that TT's GonNa undermine the international human rights framework. You're listening to Oh ideas on CBC Radio One in Canada across North America on Sirius Xm in Australia on our end and around the world on CBC DOT C. You can also download ideas on the CBC. Listen APP or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Noah and use Kalama has the U N special repartee talk on extrajudicial summary or arbitrary executions most recently. She reported on the killing of journalist. Jamaica shook G by Saudi Arabia agents the Saudi consulate in Istanbul in the second part of our conversation. We moved on to the state of human rights and freedom of expression in this era of social media and Big Tech Galaxies big challenges. She believes the answer may be in an international treaty on protecting human rights online that should not only be binding on states but also on big tech and social media companies. I asked her how much faith she puts into international all treaties when they can so easily be violated and no one can be preteen cynical about international treaties and human on rights. I just want to defend them first. We have to remember what the world was like. Before nineteen forty great before the show was adopted the Universal Declaration for Human Rights so we have to remember that before nineteen forty eight there were very little collective understanding of what states should do to one another and what state should do to their own citizens seasons before nineteen forty eight even though they had been attempt earlier than that it was more or less under stewed dude that states could do whatever they wanted in their own national territories after World War. Two after people have realized that we should never go back to an explosion of that nature the world move towards is developing a range of international normative framework which have two functions on one hand. They seek to oblige states to be in a certain way on the other hand. They are also a demonstration of the moral backbone of the world what we want to create and we should never underestimate the importance of morality at global level we should never and our estimate the messages that those treaties have sent to the people of the world and to the governments the the last one and judges have been whether we like it or not or whether we believe it or not the fact demonstrate they have been the most peaceful one ovau how human history the last twenty years. I've not seen any kind of interstate conflict all the we have seen many many conflict by proxy particularly over the last last five years so the last seventy years I've been I've seen tremendous ndas transformation of political and civic rights around the world the nature and the extent of up democratic principle. I've taken hold not only in the practice of governments but also in the way people understand what their the government should do Latin America Africa Eastern Europe so widely tease easy right now to only we think of the last five years and the challenge that they are representing. I think we need to take stock of what the nineteen forty-eight. Ta Travel as brought to us in terms of setting up a framework against which be upstate is being assessed against twitch people assessing the behavior of their own state and I totally believe that these is a revolution for global governance that must be protected right now. What is one of the things that he's wearing me. Intensely is the fact that that there are a number of states and individuals that talk keen on undermining that normative framework whether it is about the human rights framework whether it is about the use of force by state outside their own boundaries whether it is about making king national sovereignty a key principle which would prevent anyone else from discussing shaming the behavior of some states all of those must be challenged because the opposite of what was constructed after nineteen forty eight or the undermining of what was constructed after nine hundred and forty-eight is not going to be better that I have no doubt so yes we can be cynical and I you know I saw Tony. I'm fully aware. Am that governments do not abide by they'll be Gatien's that we always have to remind them of their obligations but at least I know I have the framework I of the treaty that to allow me to say you know you may be in in that way but I know that on the basis of what the governments of the World I've agreed the people of the world. If you remember the Cha- I've agreed and what you're doing is wrong and there will come a time where that tweet become so clear that we not be able to run away so it a practical article sense though what does that mean in this specific case where you've called outside Arabia and said that there is responsibility there is something to answer for. What does it mean in that okay so I never really I was I would have liked Saudi Arabia to at least recognize it responsibilities as state for the killing of Mr Casual. I think it would have demonstrated eight maturity as a the political system and its commitment to be truly part of the global community it so far has not taken any steps in that direction and it is still pretending that it has nothing to do as a state eight with the killing of Mr Cashew. Et Steel using Sharon Reed of a rogue act to hide the state responsibilities. Even though under international law the notion of a rug action is completely completely an verified and in fact international principle around the responsibility of the state for the actions of its agents totally demonstrate that the state of Saudi Arabia ease responsible for the killing of Mr Kashogi for the act of torture that preceded the killings for the enforced disappearance of Mr Kashogi for the extraterritorial use of force in times of peace for the misuse of consulate for the violations nations of the obligation to investigate in good faith and collaborate all of those violations are the violation of the state so it-it's very disappointing that the state of Saudi Arabia is still to this day refusing to acknowledge its its responsibilities as a state now what can push that state to be a little bit more forthcoming the international community in the communities upstate that would have a better understanding of international obligations. What are we looking at. We're looking at European state. Canada states around Latin America and the United States none of them. We wiz possibly the exception of Canada a year ago. I've been willing to challenge those state of Saudi Arabia for its repeated violations and yet in my view we are being tested as an international community when we challenge the state was a greatest influence. It's easy to go after after a state with little influence. Oh you know with little power. Lethal state could titian mocking mini disrespectfully but it's easy to China those governments when violet human rights. It's not a taste of anything nothing but what does it say. What does it say that this impunity. What does it say about that moral code when what it says twenty comes to influential government seven months when it comes to governments with political geo-strategic economic financial power the international community as a wall is unwilling or unable to do the right thing so when Cana- challenged Saudi Arabia more than a year ago go around the arrest of the women activists Canada was left alone hanging alone even when Saudi Arabia reacted you know in fourth full fashion in a disproportionate fashion no other government went to the the rescue of Canada. No other governments really said when we stand we scan it and we to think it is unacceptable that woman. I'm prison prison and tortured because they are advocating for the right to drive. Its own acceptable an acceptable that anyone be tortured nobody did that. They did it when it came to Russia because geostrategically was in their interest but they don't do it. When it comes to Saudi Arabia it's shameful and it is killing in my view. The international human rights and normative framework far faster jeff than the behavior of Russia Saudi Arabia is completely not the silence the unwillingness the cowardice he's of the so-called Democratic governments. It's their unwillingness to stand up their unwillingness cygnus to defend what they have argued are the heart of the multi lateral system. Their cowardice is what is killing it you know I'm I've I've heard with great interest to number of governments governments standing up against Donald Trump attacks against the UN attacks against international treaties attacks against the treaty not on on Climate Change. Yes good stand up for that of course but do not pretend that you can actually do that effectively when you are unwilling to stand for the global moral system established around human rights. It's you know you can't be picking and choosing. Up Climate Change and you ignore the right not to be killed that that just is sending in such a wrong message and it is sending a message to torturers two kilos to abusers around the world world that actually as long as they do it and violet human right. No one is really gonNA stand against them so I am very very clear in my head that right now we are in difficulties tremendous difficulties for the protection on of human rights because of the counties of government which are pretending to stand for human rights and do so when serve their interest doesn't mean that we have to redefine or think about redefining the goals of democracy and democratic institutions given the sort of retreat meet on human rights do we do we need to revisit what democracy means for human rights and how we hold up this moral code to protect human rights when it comes to stay tweets influence so you know. I don't think you can make a generality. I think that right now a number of of governments are an wailing and Cowan in terms of holding power food states to account particularly states that have have an economic influence over them that I have no doubt about that. We not suggest that this is the end of the treaties not no because I do think I can see examples around the world where the treaties hold up and where we are witnessing an number of progress steps being taken to the protection of a number of rights you know I'm I'm not suggesting getting for one minute that this is the end of treaties or the end of the norm achieve backbone of our system. I think it's under challenge because some governments particularly other power food governments are unwilling and a different standard last thing is is is how much of that challenge have to do with this surge of populism and populist governments around the world. Do you think I mean you know it depends which she shoes she was. I don't think I think when it comes to Saudi Arabian Mr Kashogi that has nothing to do with populism on the oppor- on the contrary their unwillingness to hold Saudi Arabia to a counties part of enlarging democracy deficit in our own countries because the majority of the people will be quite demanding stiffer and stronger actions against Saudi Arabia Rabia so what we are seeing infecting the king of Saudi Arabia is Saudi Arabia indirectly undermining our own democracies McCarthy's indirectly because our government so making them self wailing actors and are failing to respond to the demands of their people for greater accountability so that's that's nothing to do with populism when it comes to was a treatment of refugees and migrants. Oh there is absolutely no doubt that the current practices piece which are a violation of human rights by our own governments including the right to life the failure to to protect the right to life of refugees and migrants by such practice as of failing to a police search and rescue mission set c o at Land by the securitisation militarization of the borders by I the externalisation of practices in countries which are now holding refugees and migrants under conditions percents that possibly amount to crimes against humanity all doors enormous slaps to our human rights. Terekhov are in response to populism to you know short to gain in electoral politics and and is extremely to me very distressing because in that case was the direct violators and that violations those violations are also done in my name in your name in the name of all Americans so all your parents when every time abort collapse in in the Mediterranean Sea time dozens of if not more people on that boat I don't drown it-it's our direct responsibility that is involved including of mine as a European citizen so that is a response may be to populism pretending that by holding to those policies the governments are preventing further rise of alt-right fascist political parties and I don't even know where they get their evidence from because Zor surely that's not what's happening at the moment so a these kind of policies so far I've failed to prevent more ultra right political parties from gaining substantive powers in now world and two what's happening is in fact the ideals are being normalized in the mainstream political and social discourse in with this. I'm self probably believer expected so we're losing front last questions very brave and that is after so much work in the field of human rights. I just wonder what what gives you hope is. If you were to describe something. That's that's still gives you hope when I I you know I don't need hope sorry. I'm just very bored with you looking for hope. I just need courage and everyone that's needs courage. I don't I'm not here to give anyone swoop. I just want to let people people know that you can be courageous can be courageous in the street in the bus in a border area in a flight. You can be courageous senior school you you can be courageous in your writing. You can be courageous in many ways so no hope. He's not what we need. We need courage You're listening to an interview with anise Kalama the UN special rapporteur on extra-judicial Summary or arbitrary executions the program was produced by Philip Coulter with Matthew. 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November 24: Admitting defeat
"Imagine if you could shop the shelves of all your local liquor stores at the same time. Wells spoiler alert. You can drizzly the number one alcohol delivery app drizzly. Lets you compare prices from local liquor stores on a huge selection of beer wine and spirits. Then get them delivered right to your door and under sixty minutes and right now. Drizzly is giving all new customers five dollars off their first order. Just enter promo code save five at checkout download the drizzly app or go to drizly dot com. That's dri z. A. y. dot com. This is a cbc podcast. Hello i'm carol off. And i'm chris boden. This is as it happens the podcast addition and tonight admitting defeat of former. Us marine captain tells us that washington's drawdown of troops in iraq and afghanistan proves what he realized long ago that his country lost both wars pledge of allegiance a bbc investigation reveals that. Rwandan swore fealty president. Paul kagame as party at a loyalty oath ceremony in london and our guest says pressure. On rwandans. abroad is very real. Don't come from away. Tensions are high in newfoundland and labrador between rotational workers. Who just want to see their families and people who worry they're bringing cova nineteen home moving pictures photographer. Edward pretend ski donates his early work to the school where he developed his craft in hopes that his large scale photos will have a large scale impact on young artists. Getting under highness's horse after a guest expressed outrage at the crown's portrayal of prince charles's fly fishing techniques a listener gallops to the defense of princess and equestrian prowess and burying your head in the santa after the pandemic through a grinch into the rest of twenty twenty the residents of ontario street thought immediately after halloween was the best time to start celebrating christmas as it happens. The tuesday edition radio that understands. They had no l. else to turn before long. There will be very little american military presence in afghanistan and iraq in his final days as president. Donald trump is withdrawing almost all us forces by january only twenty. Five hundred soldiers will remain in each country. Tim kudo fought in both iraq and afghanistan. The former us marine captain wrote about his reaction to the troop withdrawal in a piece that was published in the new york times. Today we reached. Tim khuda in brooklyn new york. Tim what is a difficult for you and seeing the military drawdown in afghanistan. I think what's difficult for me is to realize that after nineteen years of war or that we were attacked in obviously aghanistan and one that we unfortunately started in iraq that all the people who died all the people that we killed And that's not just enemy but it's many many billions hundreds and thousands of civilians caught in this war. All of that is basically for nothing. We sacrificed our entire use many of us and now in our middle older ages we look back and we see that it was wasted. Was there ever a time during those years when you thought it wasn't that you thought that you were doing the right thing. This is good work. So i think after nine eleven here in america most people thought that the war in afghanistan was going to be what we call the good work and obviously the war in iraq was much more controversial but in those early early part of two thousand two when we were still just in afghanistan. I think a lot of people were very committed to that war later on as we got into iraq obviously became much more murky but many of us felt that there was an obligation to iraqi people the afghan people around what our country done. We couldn't just cut in and leave them to genocide or civil war and so many of us who continue to serve or joined in those later years. I think that was what was driving much thinking. And so when i went as part of president obama surge in two thousand ten to afghanistan. I think. I hope that we would be able to salvage. Dow comes originally hope to achieve in that country. I'm leave them with free baird democracy and unfortunately in the years that followed it became very clear to me that we weren't really committed to winning the war achieving those objectives we were more committed to Either maintaining the status quo or essentially committing to a withdrawal without realizing what we're willing to sacrifice to attain that and only recently have we basically have advocated any obligation and responsibility for that country. Even the peace talks with the taliban right now are basically being taken. Half-hearted by trump administration so essentially we've given up and we still have people there that are risking their lives and none of it really even make sense anymore at least at one point. It's sort of did and so. Have you concluded that in afghanistan united states lost the war. Absolutely you mentioned about the good word. Peasant obama called it a afghanistan. The just war and like iraq which he didn't regard in that way i heard that from soldiers and also journalists aid workers who believed that it was adjust war and that they felt that their well someone said that their heart have been broken. Realized that it wasn't was there any redeeming quality in your mind to the war in afghanistan. I hope that if there is some kind of ceasefire between the taliban and the afghan government now that the current government which is a much better government than the taliban Less oppressive and brutal to its people will hopefully be able to maintain some space that country For the citizens who live under its rule but i fear that it will essentially become a fractured country. Probably be back into civil war or be taken over completely again by the taliban and i agree with that your sentiment there. That woman aired workers saying many people have said is that you know the country is in. The taliban era was brutal towards his people so it. It's horrible to me that we gave them a sense of hope and we sat there drinking chai with them telling them that. We're gonna stay in that. We were committed to seeing this through because we wanted the local villagers to help us and stand with us against the taliban and the insurgents there and then we essentially abandoned them and. I don't think that the american people grant you the people. In the coalition countries have come to come to grips with that lie and that failure to live up to the r. Word it was also this double mandate that the something that can canadian armed forces struggled with and that there was a nation building exercise there to make it safe for girls go to school to to build institutions in the same time carried heavy weapons and kill people. Was that contradiction part of the failure. It's a challenging question. Because i think that there was an entire doctrine military doctrine of counterinsurgency warfare. In theory behind it that has worked in some places in the past hundred years. Clearly it did not work and iraq did not work in afghanistan. There is a huge challenge between being constantly trained to defend yourself against an enemy while simultaneously. Any of the people around you that you're trying to help could be that enemy. I think that challenge made it nearly impossible for many of us to go there and do the right thing at all times because the enemy exploited that they knew that do double mandate as you mentioned. made it extremely vulnerable to their tactics of the population or getting the population to plant bombs. So you're walking out there and you're trying to build these wells and opening schools and at the same time the people that you're helping better smiling at you may also be trying to kill you and you have no way of knowing so was killer be killed absolutely killed on human rights abuses there those who point the finger also at the nato and the united states that there were civilians arrested they disappear there rendered. They were tortured. They were killed sometimes just for sport as we recently learned from australia. What do you think. The legacy is of our participation in that war in that country with afghan people. Like i said in the the times piece. I think that each war that every individual soldier sailor marine fought over. There is kind of its own war. Egypt valley is different from next each villages. That the next so certainly in those places where were crimes were committed. The people there will have an intensely negative view of what we stand for. I think we had an obligation to kind of stand up to the best radios and clearly. We failed that. In many many cases. I do think that the prevalence of war crimes and other atrocities like that is rarer than maybe a lot of people might think it is because i do think that most people who went over there were trying to do the right thing but even if we exclude these kinds of You know hunting civilians these horrible things that you read about in the front pages of newspapers. There's accidents that are happening constantly. When i was over there we were in a firefight and two villagers on a motorcycle. Came over this hill and we thought that they were trying to attack us we. We didn't know we tried to warn them off. We tried to wave them off and wearing shots and things like that and they didn't move and one of the marines that i was with swore that he saw a muzzle flash coming from them. And we're in a very woman old position so we fired and killed them and they had nothing on them. There's no weapons nothing. We're in a firefight with the taliban the civilians kind of enter the the battlespace and so you do what you think you need to do to survive you kill them and then their entire families are surrounding you screaming and crying taking the bodies to be buried before sundown and atrocities like that definitely happen and they happen with the best intentions and so when we send people over to fight these wars. We need to acknowledge. I think before and that these things are part of war war fly anywhere for any reason will include these kinds of horrible events and were morally responsible for them was a mistake. Invading was a mistake. I mean with hindsight. I think it was certainly mistake but it was very very hard to say after nine. Eleven that we shouldn't do that. There was psychological. Need i think in this country for that revenge and for that sense of justice and that overwhelmed any kind of rational thinking. But i think if you went back and you're able to say when you do this you're going to be there for nineteen to twenty years and you're gonna lose this many people and it's gonna cost trillions of dollars and your kids who haven't even been born when nine eleven happened are going to be fighting in that war. I don't think anyone would sign for that tim. I appreciate you being so frank with us. Thank you for speaking with us for help. Topple thank you. Tim kudo was a former. Us marine captain who served in afghanistan and iraq. He was in brooklyn new york me newfoundland and labrador premier. Andrew fury has a stern message for rotational workers. Follow the rules. Yesterday the premier announced that workers returning home from outside the province will have to test negative for covid nineteen after self isolating for seven days. That's two days longer than before the change was made. As cases and tensions continue to rise in the province in the past couple of months there have been cases linked to rotational workers returning home from covert hotspots such alberta angela. May's husband is a rotational worker at an oil site in alberta yesterday she publicly shared her husband's christmas isolation plans we reached at her home in lewis port newfoundland and labrador andrea. You wrote on facebook that you hate having to post personal info. So why did you Because i've been getting a lot of enquiries from my clients and the general public vote my situation where my husband's rotation of worker and the fact that i operate here so mound then the pressure was starting to get to me. They clients that we use the come because they think my husband is here and we checked me was cold so i felt the to finally put to rumors and questions. Okay so what. What does your husband right now. He's way at work. So he's in alberta in christina legal a yes what what are his christmas plans He was planning on taking a week off from his skit for christmas. But due to all the pressure. I'm getting from my clients and everything. He's decided to take a full shift off work. Which means he's going to be home for six weeks with no pay than is normal too so that he can do a fourteen day. 'isolation get a cold for test and be able to be here with me while i'm working through the christmas season. Well he'd be with you while he's an isolation no well he. According to new rules he is allowed to isolate in the house with me but my clients are having such a fuss about that because my hair salon is in my house and the fact that i would be in contact with him. He's arranged With a friend of ours that leaves out of the province that has taken home there to go there for two full weeks. Let not near me for those two weeks and my clients can come here with an easy mind. After his two weeks he'll get a test or what at yes we're rotational workers in new zealand. Right now it used to be Five days but now after their home seven days they can get a covert test and if it's negative. They were allowed to commit of their relation for whatever they had left. But now It's after seven days and they're still and not to go in any public places and to wear masks if he's in contact with me your mother or father of my family okay. So in order to keep your business going your your husband has to miss a full rotation of work in alberta yes yes just tense are things in newfoundland and labrador right now. All of their bad rotational workers are getting slammed on social media. When my husband comes is always latian after his tests he has two days when he can go to a dentist or a doctor or go to the hardware store and while he's there somebody will come up to him and say. When did you get home. You get your race relations on it and you've been tested. And how have they tried to. I guess Your your husband. I understand he had quite an experience when he was visiting his parents. Oh yes well. The we had actually had six people here for supper for my birthday and a week later nine or ten days later and his parents live next door so he he's back and forth visit them and nine or ten days later the cfp show at all so they got anonymous. Call saying that we had a party and which we did not. He has had his kobe. Test darned has results back so we were free to invite the six people that are in extended bubble in our house but It's very difficult when the cops show up at your door nine thirty at night and questioned you about this and people are between talking about it over. You had a big party roku forty and explained to them. No we did. Not you know you've got to tell people your personal business and escaped very difficult. This isn't a previous visit from your husband. Yes when he was home in october. Well of course the issue i guess. Part of the issue is that Newfoundland labrador has seen fifty two cases of covid nineteen since september and about a third of them have come from people who are returning and most of those coming back from alberta so there is reason to be concerned is they're not well yes and no until last week don of those positive cases of rotation rotational workers resulted in another inspection last week Dearly apparently somebody somebody wasn't affected and they had a gathering and There's a coaster and there was another one in grand bank but also until last week that had happened. The numbers of infections labrador are. I mean as high as they are in scary. The are for people in your providence. They are so much lower than as you know. Most parts of canada and so especially alberta alberta has to surging cases. Are you worried about your husband going back to work. I worry even when coping. Because he's on a plane and he bought the camp that my husband works at and a lot of other camps are miles. The woods with his crew goes in there in there for the two weeks. They're moniteur. He has to eat his meals in alone. There's no common area where any of them gather so the only way he would possibly catch it would be on a plane and my husband ahead that suit on the plane because i have copd and he doesn't want to bring anything home. That's going to affect me. Wow that's a lot of effort to keep you guys gusts safe and a lot of ravana or doing that. So it's not fair that we are being ostracized and treated this way and you know it's not fair that i've been your songs for thirty five years viacom for eighteen years. I shouldn't have to lose my business because my husband has to go away for angela. Appreciate hearing your story thank you. Well thank you for being interested in that. Okay you too bye andrew. The maze husband is a rotational worker. We reached her in lewis port newfoundland and labrador Edward brzezinski sees the world from a different vantage point than most of us quite literally. The canadian photographer has been decades. Taking bird's eye view shots of tailings ponds sawmills potash mines and garbage dumps the industrial landscapes. He captures are as devastating as they are beautiful but long before he captured these scenes from the air. Mr tinky honed. His craft at ground level in toronto. He says it was his time at what is now ryerson university and a school assignment that got him hooked on capturing how humans were bending nature to their needs today announced he's donating his archival images to his alma mater. We reached edward. Pretend sqi in collingwood on -tario we know that you have taken photographs and films around the world. You've we've seen your recycling fields in nairobi. Potash mines in russia when you back as a student at ryerson pictures were you taking that as a young thing well the things i actually fell in love with where Things around which was a lot of nature so i ended up doing a lot landscape photographs and also Did things around the industry in saint catherine's so I looked at the gym plants. And i used to love going to an abandoned factory and all the machinery is still in there and take pictures there and the canal ships would go by and i'd be refasten without. I kinda grew up with industry. All the way around me and as well as Looking at these great ships which always boggled my mind going through. The canals can be right up close with them. We used to be able to stand right beside them. So you can just see the ships go by You know five feet away from you and that was quite something as a young kid so you started off like many people taking pictures of nature that but you were drawn to industry you are drawn to these well not just to the wonders of industry. But just it's the dark side of industry where you created them in their sort of their ugliness and their beauty. So what were you to that well actually. It was interesting. That my first real like powerful recollection of industry was my dad. Worked at the gm plant and there are these. Large hammer forges That work there the whole time and it was one of the signatures of saint catharines if he ever went down on -tario street mckinnon's plant and the whole area would shake as these plants with pound out. Apparently it was a steering knuckle for the front steering of a car. And you know. Senator looking at these massive forges with red hot ingots and guys in these aluminum suits Looks like space aliens flipping these reading gets and And just thinking that you know this world that i kept hearing as a kid my dad worked there and all of a sudden being able to see that world so always fascinated me that the car driving and going by there was created in a place like that and that we never see these places but they're kind of massive and surreal at the same time so i think there was just a pure fascination at the beginning that turned to kind of Dread as i began to see how we were expanding it around the world and the environmental degradation you have captured so extraordinarily but was there. Something at ryerson was it. Did you get directed in some way that led you to work that you did well. It was actually this assignment. I got the first month of school. They're from teacher. Called rob google and and he said Gloat and photograph evidence of man. Now i know that would be politically correct today. But but that's what it was in nineteen seventy six and i kinda side as Escaped card from saying. I have to always be implicated and beat the observer kind of think of looking at The world is if i was an alien. And as if i had to kind of report back to some other intelligent species about what we as a consciousness and species here are doing to the planet and to me it was it was an interesting kind of opening and i think in some ways i continued along that simple idea of collecting evidence of the greatest Examples of human incursions into nature into the things that we need to survive one of the most striking things about your work when it first hit the art scene international seen it is that you were working in color and you at what was fashionable was to shoot black and white at the time. So what drew you into using using color in these these. These huge landscapes in your work color was largely reserved at that time for commercial work and especially large format so car car shoots and wine bottles and liquor bottles perfume bottles. You know had the budgets to make these beautiful glossy double tate's spreads in magazines and that's what color was largely being used at the time and very few artists working with it and i thought as an artist gave me a chance to kind of be at a pioneering edge of trying to think of art and photography in terms of colors well and it came out of twelve years of shooting nothing but black and white and at the time in the mid seventies. Everybody was shooting thirty five millimeter black and white high speed film like triax and doing street photography that seemed to be the mode That was prevalent at the time. And so this was a real different approach to the medium and most people studying the four by five. Were doing commercial work in the studio. So i decided to take that studio camera into the field and then indust began my career in that kind of slow methodic. You have to get a tripod out there. You have to really sit and think and It wasn't cheap to shoot large-format film so it really made me stop and think and be very contemporary of about the image before i took the picture elseneer instruction at ryerson that led you to this idea that things should be that big. I mean it was just an idea of go big or go home. No i just thought that. If i wanted to go into industry and i had the opportunity to look at some very large-scale industries. While i was putting myself through school. I worked in the mine. North north of red lake and i worked in the factories. Gm and ford. So i saw industry at scale. So i understood. That skill was really a part of of You know of that world. When i found scale it seemed that there was a greatest possibility of creating this moment. Where what i'm showing to. The image is is something that looks completely surreal. Doesn't look like it should be possible. Always makes us as humans. Small actors in our own theater are making so. I was always interested in that that we are kind of almost subsumed by our own worlds that we have created to create our world so so we did diminishes us as figure in in that landscape. Now that you're donating your your archival images your early work to into your university. What do you hope students get out of it. What do you hope to the school gets out of you. Having that in its possession. Well i think in the work that i've done has been kinda very methodic. Progression and in one ideas led to another. I think what what the body of work having it in one place. We'll show is Is that you can take an idea if it's strong and and and big enough at the beginning and begin to just work at. It's almost like taking one idea. And then finding all the fastest that the idea just kind of turning the turning around and around in your mind and looking for other facets for it's really about that curiosity the constant evolution of an idea that that can create a body of work over a long duration for me. It's over forty years. Well it's a very generous gift. And i hope that The students get out of it what you want. Would you put into it. And it's good to talk to you at thank you thanks. Carol take care bye bye. Edward pretend ski is a world renowned photographer and artist. We reached him in calling on -tario and you can see some of the archival photographs. He donated to ryerson university on our twitter page at. Cbc as it happens Imagine if you could shop the shelves of all your local liquor stores at the same time. Well spoiler alert. You can with drizzly the number one alcohol delivery app drizzly. Lets you compare prices from local liquor stores on a huge selection of beer wine and spirits. Then get them delivered right to your door and under sixty minutes and right now. Drizzly is giving all new customers five dollars off their first order. Just enter promo code save five at checkout download the drizzly app or go to drizly dot com. That's d r is the ally dot com. Did you know you can get all your favorite fall. Drinks delivered right to your door. Well you can with drizzly the number one for alcohol delivery compare prices across your local liquor stores on a huge selection of beer wine and spirits. Then get them delivered in under sixty minutes right now. Drizzly is giving all new customers. Five dollars off their first order. Just enter promo code fall five at checkout download the drizzly app or go to drizly dot com. That's dri z l. y. dot com. The arm of the rwandan government it seems reaches far beyond the country's borders a bbc investigation recently revealed ceremony that took place in two thousand seventeen at the rwandan high commission in london reporter. Andrew harding unearthed a video of about thirty people. Taking a loyalty oath to the country's governing party the rwandan patriotic front promising to fight quote enemies of rwanda wherever they may be unquote. The news follows other reports of rwandans in the diaspora being threatened or targeted by the government of president. Paul kagami the rwandan government denies all the allegations. David him barra says he has been harassed. He's a rwandan canadian activist. Who used to work for president. Mugabe we reach mr barra in toronto. Barra what did you make of the bbc report exposing the so-called loyalty oath ceremony in london. Well i was not surprised You know this goes on. All the time we have a government in your rhonda the to six to control all aspects of one lives with a incited rondo tied so swearing in a new photo. Number thirty is basically a routine. will controlling reinforcing control mechanism. Yes there were wandering. High commission says that it's it is routine because it's voluntary us to something that that rwandans in the diaspora due in support of their government. Th there's nothing various or or evil about it. What you say to that is for them to say that to be expected. The thing is if you don't do it. Regarded you're considered as the enemy of the state and what are the consequences of being considered an enemy owned and state oh the consequences can be severe. Use it to take revenge on your relatives insider in your wanda in terms of former from into one government officials that Fled into exile. it's no surprise that Quite a few have been killed over time. Goldman mail among others reported on this over the years reporting on the claims that they were death. Squads dispatched from rwanda in order to hunt down visits people who criticize the state of a wanted. We aware that travels we were you were you. Are you ever pursued for laughing. Well let me give you an example. I mean this people dying in it's been going on his. The fuss major thing was in nineteen ninety eight in kenya. It has happened in the interview. Guide has had tended to mozambique. It has happened in south africa. Now i used to be the in south africa myself. I remember in october twenty twelve. We were joking with my friend. touchy kinda. Yeah the for my interrogates chief from wanda who was exiled in south africa. So we were at my house Joking that If the government of wanda uses tech polite see cbo's Place they know to averse in one go so in december just few months after we were joking. I can't even get to toronto because they have family here. For christmas holidays No behold the same guy will jordan. Win patrick credit air who was basically. It's stronger in a hotel in johannesburg on the festival of twenty thirteen and and in this case the court south african court determined that. This came from rhonda. The people who did this are known and the government has refused north weirding to engage african government. Two hundred people so this is nothing new in. This is for me by the way. This is just mentioned of canada. I decided not to go back to south africa. I stayed here can ask you about that because you you had been working for president in rwanda he. He recruited you to work with him to be an adviser. You were living in canada for many years. Why did you finally decide to quit. What was it about the work around present again me that finally let loose made you flee that job. I worked for him for from two thousand and two things didn't work out. I left i went back to to south africa. Then he convinced me to work for him again from two zero zero six a fled one at this time for good in january twenty. Ten one of the reason as i witnessed a beating Beating a senior official. That was it for me. Mr. gandhi personally. Beat someone before you saw that happen. Absolutely don't have to take my word for it because the lead toronto. I did an interview with the new york times and told him this and then they did an with johnny. He did not deny it. He said where. I just pushed him. And you know the same person who was beaten in two zero zero nine. He he just died in prison. Mysteriously and their own government has denied many many times that it is involved in any thing abroad going pursuing with death squads but they say the same time that dissidents traders Must pay the price when you when you aback in canada you gotta call and twenty eighteen from a friend and edmond. And what did he say to you. You see when. When i came back to canada i took this danger seriously for about a year. I had to assist official assigned to me to make sure that. I'm okay here so now fast forward to twenty eighteen this One person calls me and says okay. I have been Instructed to approach you to make sure that you don't keep your campaign against the government of wanda by you know trashing it and writing negative blogs zone that with you must stop so i said well wait a minute. Are you willing to speak to to talk to the police about this. And it yes he did. He said yes i will. He did so that he spoke to add. Modern police and i spoke to toronto police as well so they did that. Investigation and also alycia. Npr still got involved and unfortunately the police has a houston. Release the report because they say that it's still an ongoing investigation and yet when we see what bbc has in this video this loyalty oath of the people. In the the asmara. They proclaimed that if they betray the rwandan government. They must be punished by hanging. And that they will pursue enemies ever wander wherever they are. So are you still endanger even here in canada. Yeah absurd yes but you see. This is why the police canadian officials told me since way back. And i still go by it. I still those rules to be safe. Fussed of all. I do not get involved with wanting community. I do not. So that's one number two. I don't trove tonight. You know in dangerous kona toronto and the three i do not travel anywhere on the african continent. That's out of the question. Of course. I have relatives in your wanda. I do talk to them. They don't talk to me because You know all these phones and things are monitored and you're not you're not alone in feeling concerned for your security. Why do you think. The countries like canada. Continue to be so supportive of the rwandan government and we're wanted to get an enormous amount of foreign aid. Why do you think there's not stronger. Criticism polka gummy. I think the goes back to this. the guilt. There's this western guilt over. Having failed to basically get involved in this talking of genocide in one thousand nine hundred four could do no wrong so they gave him putting a countries that i kinda that is a little bit of paternalism to the credit of the government. He had nothing to do with wanda but this new government is acting to the one that is closer to a guy. Justin trudeau government. Yes which which is odd. But i says that is a little bit of opportunities When canada was trying to get the In the unit un security council trudeau active quoted. People like her gedney who for their votes. I ask you one final question. Will there be consequences for you having done this interview with us. Oh no that's one thing. I would stop doing. You'll be doing but we'll there will doing this interview. Will this caused trouble for you know you know. This problem turned me into human rights activists. Which i was not. That was just ended. Boring academic economist. But having for this this now i have to keep going. There is no stopping. I have paid the price my brothers in prison. I have to speak with reason. I speak to the united states. Congress have given testimony. That is really nothing to lose and more to gain the because the more people listen to this perhaps more of politicians also might develop a heart and say hey. This is wrong to be engaging with this government. I appreciate speaking with you. Thank you david him. Barra is wand. Canadian activist. He was in toronto. When we asked the rwandan auto offer response they referred us to a statement issued. Following the bbc report denying any wrongdoing. It reads in part. The bbc made false and misleading allegations. Concerning event held three years ago at the rwandan high commission in london. This story is part of a wider narrative fabricated by various anti rwanda movements hostile detractors. Some anonymous and at least one disgruntled former official david him imbera. Who makes wild. Blanket claims about rwanda's political system that go completely unchallenged We're all thinking about politicians included. What will the holidays look like. During this pandemic last week quebec premier. Francois go out his conditional plan allowing groups of up to ten people together. For four days. Around the christmas holidays family members would be allowed to attend different gatherings and the provinces relying on a moral contract asking people to isolate for one week before and after today premier league. Oh clarified that plan limiting quebecers to to gatherings now that plan is being criticized by public health officials and even by some people don't celebrate christmas. It's as though every province and territory has different rules. Which of course they do. And it's why manitoba's premier can take aim at quebec while being asked today if he had advice for leaders in alberta. Here's manitoba premier. Brian pallister answering a question from a journalist with the canadian press. What would you say. They might learn from manitoba's case because while case arising in september and october there were there. Were cautionary notes from you. And dr rousson about limiting contacts. They were somewhat vague and not very specific not a not a very complete. Crackdown until recently. What advice would you have for alberton in terms of dealing with the surge of it's starting to see their a brand new grand niece and red deer so i got a conflict of interest on this one Steve thanks for asking. Every premier is doing their absolute best. Every government across country doesn't matter politics. Don't matter here. They shouldn't matter now. I'm try to tell the opposition that here but they seem to forget but the fact that matter is we're all in this together but not every province has to take exactly the same approach. And so i i don't want to get into quarterbacking other provinces premiums. They're doing their absolute best except to say this. I think it's dangerous What the quebec premiers decided to announce on. I think it's dangerous and i i. You know he's got run that province. And i respect premium ago. But i will say to manitobans. And i've been called by one paper here. I think i was called a number of things but the grinch was one of the things. I'm not trying to deprive people of a wonderful christmas. I'm trying to make sure that this year. We define christmas differently and the way we define our holiday season. This year is that we're doing our very very best to keep all of our family around so that next year we can all be together at christmas. That's a different way to celebrate. It's not an easy way to celebrate. It's not the normal way to celebrate but it's the right way to celebrate the way we have to do it so sick going to be easy. We've got to do it together. And by gosh when we get through this thing we'll look back. I hope with pride that we've done the right things. And i think the right thing to do is not to tell people you can get together in a larger group at the holiday season as that is. I think that's a mistake. That was manitoba's premier. Brian pallister today when it comes to christmas the residents of brennan way do not mess around and this year. They aren't waiting around either. Three houses on the street and the community of scarborough ontario are already fully decked out with lights and decorations. And they've been that way since right after halloween. Nighthawk mackenzie is one of the decorators. We reached him on brennan way. Nighthawk what what. I see if i were to drive down brennan way this evening. You would see a whole lot of christmas lights okay. We often see that on the streets but this goes a bit further. Doesn't it yes it does From the moment you turn onto brennan way from seawalls or from the moment you crossover Wickson drive you can kind of see this glow in the distance and it gets brighter and brighter as you get closer gives a sense of the tour. I would have if i drove down past. I guess three houses of brennan way. Yeah there's three three houses it starts at two twenty two ends at two twenty. Which is my address although i'd say about twelve thousand. Led's probably about thirty five blow up decorations thirty plus floodlights all kinds of sparkling led ornaments such as like different animals. Things like that lots of candy. Canes lots of christmas cheer and you can hear the music come and when you get closer well how do you have a sound system yes actually To twenty two has a A little sound system setup and and i have Speakers up in the trees that to twenty eight playing christmas music throughout the evening. How many hours of christmas music do you play It it's it's just playing some Christmas internet radio It starts at four pm and it plays until nine thirty It gets slightly lower volumes than the later hours. Don't want to disturb the neighbors kind of thing okay. So now you've done this before. This isn't your first rodeo and christmas. Right no this is For for myself and my wife. This is our tenth year. My my neighbors to my immediate Right the patterson's they've been doing it for about fifteen years now. This is a competition. No it's not really a competition it's kind of a Collaborative effort. I guess would be the best way to put it Our neighbors down at two twenty two They just recently in the last four or five years started decorating They celebrate diwali festival of light. So you know that's actually something for them to just go to it and and participate along with. Okay so they they. So they've joined in so now. I this is this year any more extravagant than previous ones. It's a little more extravagant We went out and spent a little bit more money on a lights. Just a really great it up. But that's kinda you know. Pardon the phrase. Griswold of me but Yeah it's a little brighter than it was in previous years is that because to compensate for all the gloom around. Oh absolutely you know. It's been a it's been a gloomy Few months We do. Halloween is well. And you know that's usually a big show for the kids but due to the restrictions they. They didn't have as much fun at halloween. Is they normally do so. We were kind of in a hurry to get out there and put something out there. There has to put smiles on their little faces as soon as we could. What's the what's the decoration or the installation. You're most proud of out there. what am. I most proud of out there. Well this year would have to be rcn tower. We saw that we picked it up. And that's perfect. You know we're in toronto. And what better. Way to stand tall and say we're not going to We're not going to go quietly into the night okay. Whoa you're seeing tower described that for us. It's eight feet tall. It's silver it's sam tower and it has a hundred and twenty blinking sparkley. Led's it's in the middle of our lawns surrounded by fifteen nazari fourteen little christmas trees. Okay so the district the dour. I mean you have these sort of the usual santa clauses and all of that right air balloon decorations everything from santa claus reindeer to spongebob and all kinds of stuff that makes kids mile. What are people saying about your decorations. Oh we we have people coming up the walkway every night. Some knock on the door or some way through the window all positive. Thank you very much you know. We appreciate the kids. Love it and you know that. That really puts a smile on her face. 'cause that's why we do it. It's like the kids smile. We understand that not every adult will appreciate what we've done we get it. Everyone's got their own thing that the kids don't wanna back. Have you had complaints None not directly. What have you what indirectly have you heard. Oh just some negative comments. I've seen here and there on some of the post About displays. I i don't It's very few and far between so it's not everybody's cup of tea i did. Some neighbors are from just other grinches other grinches. Neighbors are our neighbors That aren't participating in the decorating. They love it you know. They offer to come out and help. What is it that you and your wife lake so much about this. Well i like to. I like to build things. And like like i just i like putting on a show My my wife. She's always been heavy in the christmas. Spirit loves the decorate. The inside and outside we spent most of our time together as apartment dwellers so we couldn't go outside of our little slow when all spuds since we moved here and we had a frontline. Yeah she went nuts. And i helped okay so i guess the only thing that's missing from this scene as some snow while we got some snow the other day It's quite heavily there on sunday and monday and it really made the whole. The whole display look finished but it doesn't stick around so you need a big dump. Don't you oh i would love to become but we'll get it it'll come you know. We were fortunate enough to get it all set up when it was twenty degrees. I'm sure we'll be wishing for that weather again in the near future their nighthawk. I hope you have a great christmas. Thank you thank you enjoy nighthawk. Mackenzie is a resident of brennan. Way in scarborough neighborhood of you've been listening to the as it happens podcast. Our show can be heard monday to friday on. Cbc radio one non sirius xm following the world at six. You can also listen to the whole show on the cbc listen app. Download it for free from the app store or from google play. Thanks for listening. I'm carol and i'm chris for more. 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Episode 12: "Well? Chop Chop!"
"You're welcome to you comfort. Who's doing well how? How would you like to? Oh how hello. Welcome to comfort. I am Dark Nash. I don't because of the subject Maso dog when he is so dark. I mean mine's Today minds quite broad So it's like well in death book mine is like look look into that soon anyway. So we haven't recorded since the beginning of September while the last episode didn't come out until the thirty the first of December but we're back release weekly even after a goal by myself. You do that. You'RE DICK WE'RE GONNA record weekly I'm committing to without Anyway before we get started hiding tyrod okay. What else is new? Louis Tainos hungry. I was cool cool cool. I'm executive him except not always called cold even when. I'm not cold still like a blanket for coziness Mike mcgraff dot so I came in ninety one like. Are you cold Judas Petty. No no no no. I'm like sufficiently will like well. Why if he comes blanket comfort very ambron sniping cozy cozy? I put me punch on and life is good. Life is good right. Well today. We're going to be doing thank you. I thought you'd never ask they give me a chance. I've been good I've since the New Year of being in the gym. Something's changed I got Jim James and someone's change where I actually want to go. Even though I feel like I'm dying afterwards like my former Mojo screaming at me a minute. No motivation dose Dukla China. Yeah I know neo get fed though. You don't have to know what I need to do his way into it but I don't want to like my food and I like being lazy. I was talking to imagine the body. I would have actually looked after I'd be smoking. Everyone everyone could say. Watch all as well as talking to the PT At at Morrison Training Today and he was saying that am when he was at his best when he when he looked he's best and when he was like he said competition ready. I think and I don't know what competition that means like I literally. Donald means bodybuilding. I don't think he. It was a bodybuilder book He said the strongest man definitely A. He's at that when he he was at his fittest that he just felt amis as in all the time. And I was listening to say this and I was like what do each of you woke up the Islamic off the morning Bang banged. Ease up ease ready ago. Said like if he had a stop work at five o'clock in the morning it wake up at Hof three run around these block twenty times. Then go to whom get showered and go work. I mean I know I'll try it though. I don't think I volume sleep more so eh buying exercise. DVD and watch it with some snuck type of person to person who played we on the Sofa. Yeah waddled controls drools playing tennis while you cheeseburger. Plus if I go on a diet went up do nothing like on facebook video and the kids got like the bigger in front of him. And he's like sniffs it but then eats apple and then sniffs the bigger and then eats up worse. That sounds horrible as like Burger. The Big Burger tastes weird right so today today on comforting to the Norden radio. It's PODCAST Leeann. What doing the ABC's or death and darkness letter? They was actually my. I know we need an eight. I don't do you remember what you did last time. It's been that long awesome Gama that he was acid buff gossip Baath Killa. I did Alexander. PS and you'll be forgiven if you don't remember that because because it wasn't very good anyway so today we have be. Should we wrap your assist. The laptop died Yay so twenty. Four hours Leah. We're trying this again. It's my laptop and Jay called Shit even though he bought me because I had a laptop and I thought it was good until about a different one. Right so I'm GONNA find out WHO's confessed thirty rock shah okay. We've done this job of befall this episode called Rock Paper Scissors firewater. Balloon you I forget we gotta get the boy one other Jacobs's pay for the record what he hasn't had paid for the record. That's thing okay so the let us be. I know that so tonight we have be is for you. Can I guess you won't get it As as someone's name yeah that's okay. B. Is for Boston after that as well I can guarantee you uh-huh though so this guy's name is actually doctor Bassin. These last name here do this. I do want to say like I was going to do a few other things like I was going to do. Like the Big Bay point light notes town not this time didn't have access to actual therapy notes. So I didn't even see I've got a God also Christmas so I didn't have access to any. Why didn't you say convoy? aww grandparents when I wrote this which one why do you think Cheetah. That's why I was in the law. Independent papers that crafty people note. Crafty is in like kraft. Make that crafty okay. So on June sixth nineteen fifty doctor. Bassin was born. And he's a South African cardiologists. He's also the foam ahead of South Africa's secret chemical and biological warfare project days named Project Coast tried to Iowa Project Coast. Like I'm going to the coolest two D it's GONNA be fish and chips this. This was during apartheid era South Africa. They emerged apartheid is. Did you buy the blanket staring face that you don't it's basically just PSA ESPN racism. Nice yeah basically. The white people of South Africa were not all of them obviously but the they can block. You'll lowest form of society so it's just a collapse like skin. Skin doesn't make it pay as many different. Exactly exactly exactly None of this. We'll get to that in a bit So Inane eighty-one he was working as the personal physician of repeat. W Botha he was the. He was somehow both prime minister and President of South Africa out on the assumption. That if you have a family you have a prime minister. And if you don't have a rough I mean you have a president so don't have both and other anyway so why it was in that role. South Africa's surgeon general at the time. Hi Ed Doctor. Bassin to form a special unit of the South African Military Health Service named seven medical battalion. Alien Group Mr Abbott. The purpose of this job at seven medical was to collect information on the chemical and biological warfare capabilities of Other Countries Goodrich Countries Aka Project Coast. He made a preliminary report after that was in and he was made head of Project Coast. So this guy calls the shots Of this like Secret Chemical Weapons Company for South Africa you would then go onto higher around two hundred. Researchers from around the world got roughly fleet ten million dollars in annual funds and in Nineteen eighty-two was alleged to have been involved in the mid of two hundred Swapo apple prisoners arranged in something named operation. Dual what SWAPO stands for the South West African People's organization and it's a political party audie so two hundred individuals. He's like a hit locked. Oh you know what pretty damn close. You're not far off. His nineteen fifty fifty biting was born. Then his his his point musical a pc all of these research was done entirely secret and was in breach of international biological Michael and toxins. Weapon Convention AK- B. T. W. C.. Achey right it's going to be on her AKA. The Convention of the Prohibition of the Development Production and stockpiling of Biologic Bacteriological Biological and toxin weapons and on their destruction China. Saying that dead fast. I don't want to get the Convention of the Prohibition of the Development Nah I fucked bordering the convention of the Prohibition of the Development Production and stockpiling bacteria. Now I that makes its bacteriological. It may try Sutrisno over. I'm crop read highly convention of Vision that the development production production stockpiling bacteriological bacterial toxins weapons than the other home console. Close they do you ever read and think. Oh my God I'm Reid and then your brain just like flocks. Oh my God I'm reading. Does it all the time. I like to read something that left only gone. I'm reading and then my brain just goes arriver waving. I've made a single mistake and then you know mine just like we see that I see. Ah Bless you so by one thousand nine hundred eighty nine. Boston had created a bunch of companies in an attempt to distance instance himself and PC from the South African military which would enable him and his team to access the necessary chemicals and channel funds into the research edge as they saw fit without as many hoops to jump through. So all Mike you scan the front companies. He's up were Dell G scientific company Rude Platt Plot Research Laboratories Aka all L. Protect Nick and infidel with infidel being split into two additional companies named Dijon Shooter Financial Consultants Salons and Seth Message Information Services until this is a bit boring and places but it gets doozy honestly ha ha ha ha bassin had free rein to do whatever the hell he wanted in his rule which is how he was able to help us. Companies Job as the surge in job decision general of of South Africa. Yeah and then he was made head of PC so saw l.. Were basically involved in developing chemicals and at biological pathogens as well as allegedly being involved in genetic engineering. I'll get to that in a bit protect. Nick was a large nuclear biological and chemical warfare plant that was in the business of developing defenses against chemical weapons infidel. The one I mentioned that was split into two other companies dealt with everything that I've just mentioned on a much smaller scale focusing mostly on financial administration asides of like like the other businesses and install. The infidel was used to channel funds between the military and the research facilities. So if you WANNA put a label on it that's that's money laundering whether he's guilty of a lot of the employees of these companies weren't aware of what we're doing. It didn't know the bigger picture. Yeah they just can't work and did what they would do like. Could you imagine like the place of business that you were going to say. We work but thing that you do. Could you imagine agent if that was actually happening behind the scenes trying to come up with some stupid. You're actually involved in the making of guns somehow. Oh good so awake. This'll be a good sisters two totally different but still around our shop so you if that was actually like spreading disease like these these toys were stuff and send them to the public. You know I wouldn't know that. Anyway that nearly suspiciously release in toys with poujadism stuff though what if I didn't know there was always looks a bit dusty which admittedly some does get re dusty. So I'm not in the business of creating chemical weapons adult Mickens so PC and therefore Boston were allegedly involved in attacks. And even assassinations against people who are members of the anti-apartheid movements. Going in South Africa at the time came in the eighties there was a bit of a should be. He said she said but said they said because it's like two groups as it was claimed that chemical weapons had had been used as a means of crowd control by leaders in South Africa. Angola and Namibia. The government claimed that chemical weapons were used against the South African troops so the people are saying it was the government and the government saying it was the people the Basson apparently gave the CB the civil cooperation bureau chemical Weapons for use against prominent anti-apartheid activists. Can you think of any anti-apartheid activists. That was pretty big in South Africa. I've got a picture of him ahead back East Cold Nelson Mandela and then eventually he was made president resident. Yeah but that's pretty much why he went to prison general because he was trying to promote equality and these guys didn't like that Boston was also also travel around the entire globe gaining more and any information that he could on various chemical and biological warfare while also setting various this shell and PIPPA companies in addition to the ones already made. It's thought that the newer companies were set up for money laundering. All right no bad when FW FW declerk became a South African president in nineteen ninety because he married. Who Stroke Boston? I don't know I don't think so going to say yeah. I wouldn't put up with this shit when after you declerk became South African president in Nineteen Ninety Click ordered the production of all chemical weapons and chemical agents wants to be stopped and agents of a lethal nature to be destroyed. So what do you think. Faceted didn't destroy them. He switched everyone's everyone's concentration towards chemical agents that when non lethal as well as chemicals at the government hadn't banned yet so something might not kill you but it could make a call of life become zero like it could make your brain doesn't like that she wrote down sneaky Moi schnookered in January nineteen ninety three after pressure from the United Nations the United States and the United Kingdom Project Coast was wound down. Why do you think it was down because of the pressure all wrong but the the chemicals that they'd been looking into after from overseas well after F W de Clicks ruling included ecstasy and mandrakes To illegal and bats absences. It's believed that these were exported and sold to drug dealers prominent in anti-apartheid communities. As as well as possibly being used to create drug least tear gas God this basically government funded agency was sending like imagine a really bad area of America it will be the government pushing drugs to those neighborhoods to try and make them odium awesome at all. Just destroy them in some way. That's basically what we're trying to do so one year prior to project coast being bombed down in January nate nate to you Frelimo. That's what's the word abbreviation but it's in Portuguese and I don't want to try and pronounce it but basically English for Limo Limoux stands for the Mozambique Liberation Front so Frelimo soldiers or troops during an operation were exposed to something that was believed to be a chemical agent. Some were hospitalized and some even died due to exposure of the agent this led to the investigation from the three nights. US UK UN which led to the downfall full of project coast. Now he has. The Kicker Basson was officially retired once was shut down but then he was rehired to dismantle the project. What would thinking? This guy is accused of so much stuff so the rehire him to take it down. What are they thinking probably taking his back fades needs to clean it up but then at the same time it's just giving them opportunities to cover up what he's done? He's alleged to have profited from it too when some of the South African Shell Shell. NPR's companies were privatized. Even do anything. He profited from it. Who and as well as that a little bit later on the government carried out an investigation into the company's off Project Coast and found out that large amounts of chemicals and agents had gone missing between the shutdown and the investigation is taking GonNa have gone missing and no one knows where he does In the same year of late night three the SEO the office of Series Economic Comic Offenses Star a then unheard of seven year forensic audit on the business dealings of Bassin it took seven years to meticulously. Let's see go through everything associated with Boston. Just imagine that this guy has done so much stuff that the paperwork to actually go through it takes Seven years teases great. Imagine that Wigan wiccan Monday Friday night or five and all you're doing is going through. These pieces is a paper that tell you what this guy has bought. Sold looked into at looks set in years. That's longer than I've worked at my current job and it feels like forever start today but that wasn't going to the South African government from hiring in Boston for something else. Though in one thousand nine hundred five. He was hired for Transnet Transportation Infrastructure Company. It's more likely though that he was hired for some more secret of jobs to mix in what. But that's more like the outcome that job at transnet though didn't last very along because new president of South Africa Nelson Mandela Hired Boston to be an army surgeon most likely due to pressure from the UK and the US but also so that the government could keep tabs on them then in six South Africa's Truth and Reconciliation Commission. There's so many companies are abbreviated in this. See begun an investigation into the South African Defence Force and they determined that the South African army had more likely used used lethal chemical toxins against African National Congress activists. This of course meant that Boston was connected to many if not all of of these attacks in ninety seven the C. i. e. got involved and informed the South African government that Boston was intending to flee the country and instead was arrested in a sting operation in Pretoria in seven when arrested. He had one hundred tablets on his person. Can you guess what tablets Harlem accident ecstasy. What he's going to do with them but Popham he had a hundred a hundred of them? Maybe giving them I. It was Christmas presents although I even if you went to a chemist the probe a question if a by one hundred paracetamol makes it by a certain amount at one time indefinitely so when he was arrested was found to have something. He's call that he really shouldn't have had which was molex marijuana plant. I mean that would be. You would not Sabih supposed to hop thatcherites trying. You get what he hasn't. He's call that he wasn't supposed to have hundreds of documents of project whose secrets this led the. TRC to investigate project cost and the flood Gates opened the suspected that Boston had sold his secrets to the governments of countries such as Libya and Iraq. Dan Yeah this is big surprisingly no. Maybe we'll know about so then. More investigations opened up including the National Intelligence. The agency the Attorney General Special Investigation Team and the Netherlands Institute for South Africa and all that signs pointed back to Dr Wouter Basson. Boston appeared before the Truth and Reconciliation Commission on July Thirty First Nineteen Ninety eight and he would give evidence to the Commission for twelve straight hours. Jesus Christ nonstop name me. We break I mean. They may have had a recess here in the boat twelve. Ah Street accumulatively. His lawyers didn't make it easy questioning though. Because the continuously injected with legal technicalities but this ended up being. There's isn't that part though because the commitment that Boston was the primary decision maker on all things project coast and that he should be tried in an actual court of law as with all trials. It takes a long time. He got the evidence. That's why George Diangelo favor killer ever. The the device Celia Franca the golden gate killer the original night stalker. That's why he still hasn't had his trial yet. Because there's just so much evidence to gotta try in April last year. That was his hearing. Don't forget what was going to happen but so with that being said No. Keep this in mind for juicer. James the Angelo. The trial began Furuta Boston on October. Fourth Nineteen Ninety nine. ooh That's about a Garin Hof after he's original trail said a little tight now. Obviously Deangelis didn't kill as many people as the stuff. The Boston was. There was no evidence to say that he did all of the women by the. This'll spread out over different amount of time. Doing other things Bazan and did was killed. People will not even Abassin but like the chemical agents I his companies created may people die in groups. Yeah so being able to point the finger at him is easy. Do proven it is harder. Because evidence really isn't isn't a thing that you can sit like fingerprint was on the gun. There's no gun. Just a canister of gas that is largely clean so took place in Pretoria South Africa the trial and while on trial the South African media nicknamed him Dr Death a name that would uh-huh go on to be used for American neurosurgeon Christopher Dunk. We'll get to him eventually. There's actually while we'll not subject women remitted an amazing podcast Dr Death. It's actually fantastic. The did like M. I think it's about ten episodes on Dr Death really good podcasts. Recommend checking out. If you haven't already but I yeah really good anyway back on Doctor Bassin so Boston was on trial and face. Charges Lodges on sixty seven counts which included drug possession and trafficking fraud and embezzlement and he was thought two of embezzled thirty six million South African runs to D. I actually did the took the time to fight inflation calculators for both the UK and and South Africa and roughly that will be the equivalent of eight point. Eight million pounds today. Jay US also theft conspiracy to commit murder and actual murder. So how many people do you think is on murder hike. How many people was he put on trial for the murder of two hundred? Two hundred and twenty nine. That's a lot. Just imagine how. How many people that is though like much in two hundred twenty nine people in a room? Exactly it'd be like when you back at school who like many Renaissance Awesome all cinema. Yeah like every single seat in a fairly large more seats cinema though it depends on the screen when we go to. I think isn't like the screen unseen show in that will go into. Isn't that like the smallest smallest one. I think it's like fifty seats in it but even then for those old crazy so people prosecuting Boston prosecution. Preska could in my brain. Just shut down for a second. The People Prosecuting Bosson brought in a hundred and fifty three witnesses to give testimony however over. The tight started shifting in favor though because on October eleventh nineteen eighty nine judge. Willie amazing name for judge. Joe Joe Willie. Hartzenberg dismissed six very important charges. One of which was the possible involvement of the deaths of two hundred people people in Namibia stating that. Something that occurred in Namibia or any other country for that matter could not be tried in the South African Court of law wrote Bullshit George Hamburg after eighteen months of trial at reduced the number of charges from sixty seven to forty six during the entire trial. Bassin's team only at a cold one witness to present evidence in his favor himself. He's the only person defending Abassin was Bosson in July of two thousand and one that's long transparent apple doesn't one. He begun giving his own evidence and spoke for forty days saying that he learned about weapons of mass destruction from Saddam Hussein scene yeah that he had free rein to do whatever you want with project coast and that he did. In fact exchange information mation with foreign governments. He has the second kick. All of that was technically legal. How the defense argued the everything else did should not be included in trial? And the has you be given immunity and on April twenty second two thousand and two awesome awesome big dismissed all remaining charges and granted would abassin Amnesty Jokin. nope Hodson bed. WE'RE GONNA call the case for minted in confusing citing it as mostly superficial. That was the culmination of a thirty month. Trial think about how much time has gone into that trial for the judges to go no superficial take it socially ridiculous. He was allowed to continue traveling the world as a guest speaker slash motivational speaker yet an even founded he's not imprison with it and even founded his own medical practice. What that's ridiculous come? Kits mixes easy pay not be charged on drug drugs. Possum big throughout in two thousand and five the highest court in South Africa the Constitutional Court overturned the ruling of the Supreme Court of Appeal in saying that the crimes were alleged to to have been committed outside of the country could be secured in South Africa. So everything is everything hearts and big said had been reversed essentially. It's pretty much implied at this point. That Bassett used chemical weapons on people in Namibia but even after the C. C. ruled that he could now be tried for those crimes. The National Prosecution Authority was not Has Not instituted proceedings against Basson for crimes against humanity. So even though they can. They haven't into doesn't six the Health Professions Council of South Africa. HP seriously there are so many abbreviate. Companies in this began its own investigation and four full indictments remain out over possible. Seven that were originally levelled four years later it may to those ten. Just think about how long this has gone on for ages. Yeah emitters in ten Boston. Apply to the High Court to have those charges leveled against him labeled as unlawful unreasonable and unfair. The application was rejected however as the judge found that there there wasn't any evidence at all that the HPCC was bias or prejudice against Basson in December. Twenty Thirteen Bosson was found guilty. alty of unprofessional conduct on four charges. On June fourth twenty fourteen sentencing was postponed due to unavailability of counsel and then on the twenty seventh of March twenty nine teen almost. It's almost a year six years after being found guilty the wetting high court ruled that there was bias from the committee members that presided over disciplinary hearing the judge ruled that the HP TSA ruling Ruling Institute Against Basson was unfair and showed a tool disregard for buses rights. Hearing and unethical conduct. Charges were set aside. So He's free yes please walking around. Yes actually that's all my bullet points of that. But I've written a few more things as I was wrapping up the research for this. I found a video. You on Bassin. That suggests that project coast or a guy named Larry Ford a configure at which it is managed to create chemical weapons and such as bionic plague botulism typhoid cholera anthrax. And other gyms specifically named Kaffa killing gyms kaffa is the South African equivalent of the N.. Word these people specifically targeted black people the made ethnic biological weapons after horrible and when asked about this in an interview what do you think Bosson was quoted as saying. Don't WanNa know your about you because I'm playing in the video right now. Why not being locked off? Don't understand nobody does. It'd be seventy this yet ready for this. There was some you talked about ethnic or Giacosa. Look you ball. That was great job that was muscles summer reading Lila Shutt- what a prick he said. Have you seen the east literally just said I did do it. So why. Why the hell is he not locked up? Why that is nobody? killed a string 'em up. That was great. That was the most fun I've had in my life. That's what he just said the interviewer have you called it black bomb. That's what the weapon was called. He's absolute human trash. That's putting it nicely. This guys walk free after you take a this point. I think it's good to see that he actually did have a hunting killing those two hundred people. Even if you know sums up our court say that he didn't note which I'll put in the In the companion episode. I found some pages from a magazine called new New African with a cover story from a former intelligence officer to you project. Coast what you said. We deliberately spread read Aedes in South Africa. That's a quote from a guy called Alexander Jones who works for Project Coast and that should tell you everything you need to know about the absolute scumbag. That is Dr Wouter Basson. The if he's not that was the most ever had in my life taught like maybe on intellectual intellectual level when he saying the actual research and development and trying to do it it might have been good refund but you just know that it was because he hates specifically the found a way to target the things that make people look look different. They found a way to do that. Hopefully these files in these like methods of this have been locked away forever and will never ever be found but yeah two hundred. twenty-nine people is what he's accused of having the hand in killing and that could have just been tip of the iceberg. If he'd be allowed to continue doing what he was doing God knows what would happen if any shell Roman the streets exactly so he probably would do something like that. I can then if he's free well we can't because he doesn't have access to this stuff anymore. Economies literally not allowed Steph. That'll admission well that's A. It's thought that were missing. It's thought that that's all gone to like other countries and they've used it since the crowd control a terrorism attack. So what have you that's impo. It's implied that that's where that gun. But the fact that he linda chemical weapons from Saddam Hussein. I mean come on you tell you everything you need to know blaming. Yeah so because she is for Bassett Boston scumbag right. Would you like to go into yours. Now yeah all right so jolly what does beast my stands for breakfast Edna Wreck Bednarik. He had with this person. mm-hmm who is breakfast so breakfast was a fourteen year old boy who was a student. Sam Beat School in retail and sorry tosses the UK story and he was a member of the tree and cope which is British volunteer military youth organization. These mother describes being quite wom relaxed woman's in warmhearted interpreter. Wise he had many friends can you replay online but he's friends with staples. I'm going to get to the OGA. Sorry I'm so breakfast passionate about competed and go online street after school like most kids these days do goods you as well. I'm saying after school. I didn't go school. The work doc. So Brax Parents Lauren. And fiery moved to England from the USA three years before breakfast born they were quite a wealthy family and they lived in uncovers them with three three of the children who are triplets so he's younger siblings or triplets. Could you imagine having that look brexit mother. Lauren limited his access to electric devices and she also installed parental controls to fit him In Iraq with Boy Oy online that she was quite suspicious of Okay said that he's not at you was changing. And he's ideology was changing and that he was starting to refused fused to attend church with them and she felt like it was because of the negative influences surround him on that game by this one particular person. uh-huh bracket beaten is used to the six game at club. A church is expensive. I don't know I couldn't find anyone I'm rich but somebody probably knows so. Within this group that joined was a boy called Louis Danes. who was a little bit older than brick and he was described as a controller of the group So he had the power he used to expel Mambas and control the online chat so on the online group China was mainly like Communica. You communicate by voice rather than and by Light Masjun voice. Yeah so Dana told well they were staying at told Brek fake stories of donating two point five million in bitcoin Syrian rebels and he would tell members that didn't need school because he would provide right them compete and jobs for a hundred grand a year the sun so familiar so brax mother. Lauren called the police in December NBA. Two thousand thirteen and express concerns around online greement Sheboygan. The police officer might be in danger but nothing ever really happen because the teams had been playing together online for several months prior who say anything on Geo into dozen thirteen online policing still wasn't really a thing gets it's fairly recent. Yeah that's people have been like prosecuted for things Don on the web on the Internet. Yeah so on the seventeenth of February. You are a two thousand fourteen brex Father Bari was expecting Brek to spend the entire weekend with him because his parents separated So you would spend the with his dad. And he didn't turn up so Barry Tax Lauren. Rex Mum and to say that he arrived break. Had travelled by taxi to Louis. Dans is flat a few hours later. His siblings twelve-year-old. LV role triplets began to receive. Messages brother had been killed for being posted on social media and it was soon confirmed by police. The full was was showing Brex body and they were posted to other members within the six person online game in Group B like like of heard of the story by Don away from well just we saw widespread and people message in the triplets. Sane is a true about your brother because if it is it's so sad these kids twelve. Why would you message so police and paramedics were called the flat by Louis Danes? What will get a second? So when they got the stop wounds to his neck and they were unable to save him and he died at the scene Nineteen Year Old Louis. Danes was an unemployed computer engineer. A NEEM at Brek online. Playing the game you. He's a computer engineer but he was unemployed. Nobody lasts probably what you did before that we had a degree is why did you why did he not have a job. At that time. He looked okay younger than nineteen and he was nicknamed the baby face. Killa be his parents split. When he was sixteen he lived alone flat that was owned by his grandparents and he was described as reclusive by neighbors? So people were gonNA describe me. Yeah he also had aspirations syndrome which affects your ability to make sound judgments prosecutor Richard Whittam. I'm I'm told Cole. Prosecution case was at the time of the made up requisite age fourteen in the low mid specific provisions for the middle of a child involved in sexual sadistic mystic motivation so the case was advanced Actual well always a distance. It says Lewis was given a life sentence with a minimum of twenty five years. Should be no minimum and cranky. Jenny Hopkins said that Lewis Stains. Even though he was only in the eighteen at the time he committed murder was a control and Emma Lipa of men controlling and mean and mean Municipio Municipio manipulative in manipulative individual. Who carefully planned out his crimes while his crime so we and the degree of planet and manipulation by Louis Danes shocking and when you consider the young ages of the perpetrator and the victim of stand that was one of the most cruel violent in unusual cases? We've ever doubt with so. Did he just do it for the thrill. Oh well it's to a one lane we need you said it right. I want to kill this kid now. Don't think anyone knows really because trying to get all the information still from you know so so he run night and said I grabbed the knife and stabbed him in the back of the neck. I believe somewhere near the brain stem. The email was about anatomy. He knew exactly what he was doing. I need you to send police and forensic team to my address Forensic Tia. It's what you requested. Did and when police arrived they found a bag of duct tape. which was used a type like to tie Brecca up and then Lewis is compute. I was is in water in a bid to destroy any evidence against him. So have the nine nine nine call. Take Down Sasha picture of him he understand why he's nineteen. He looks very babyfaced us. Nineteen nineteen looks. It's like Twelve Essex Majett say Okay okay Hello I need police on a forensics team to my address place. What do you mean what's happened? Went my friend and I got into an altercation and I'm the only one who came not alive. You killed somebody with them and they came to Lewis Gains. I'm eighteen eighteen years old and I knew. Okay I'm what's that she has been. My friends can stay with me. is today feeling very down feeling suicidal and I woke up this morning. He was in a mess. I tried to come in down. Consented on special. He grabbed shrugged. Me Off can you. Can you just bear with me. Second tell me anymore. I Kai sounds like he's making on the spot. You're telling me he definitely we did. Yes I'm telling you. He's definitely affects. She's losing the book to Mama dealing with right now but at least ages tight me afraid that again so what happened last night. He came to stay with me because he was feeling down. Title nine breath the UK. That not be. And so I I they A for yes and then he then I made that nobody. Ed and Acai. Say kind of stay with Yay. I can explain this to the officers when I need to take these tate's house. He changed US Thursday night. I went this conflict. I woke up this morning. He was in a mess. I tried again just sights on Sundays. Type State did you have an argument with him. Now it's nine oh we were fine. You were fighting. We were fine. We will find lost night. We both I went to sleep. I said the we will find okay. But why did he come to stay with you. Because he was fed up with opponent why. It's not a Lotta problems. I've known him for a long time. He came to stay with me if I was in Thailand last week on holiday. He was in Spain rain back so if I went to war happened this morning I woke up. He was just just standing up. He was in a mess hands on his face. I got up to my arms around in and I said it was. Okay he just shrug me off and said No. I can't remember exactly what he said He. He was going on about how he didn't want to go. He's fed up with his life. He he didn't WANNA go. Hi Hi he. I have a pen knife on the site of SR SR in my room. Jason beds I have a chest of drawers offer shave from the TV and stuff on that. I had a pen my phone. There folded he picked it up. Opened it and then lost control tonight asking me just let me just say nothing. Type of Brett grabbed ace. Ace Fail in order to harm me. He opened it. And I type role to I get and sites sites. I lost control in Self-defense. Put My less Up to block him from stabbing the effectively. We struggled title. I got him to the ground he got up. I got the million communion. Oh you know interrupt me with this pop I take I anyway. I grew up in mice and I stabbed him once in the back of the neck. Thank believe somewhere near the brain stem. He turned around tried to carry it on and I. I think I stumbled booed on my chest of drawers fellow. I got back out back to way and then I don't remember exactly what happened that the fight ended with me cutting his throat. I believe I turned around and I flashed his NFL. He's specifically L.. Safe I on my bed leading so that he had an infamy record he did this disband could exist troth. We've and he's still on the floor before onto the best place for US I was. I was trying to compress the wound and let me see Houston in the room. Where breakfast wherever you this? Okay don't let me explain this. This is colluded recording so like it's the they house way you all. Ah Yes but you're you're in another room or you felt like taking my own life. I I don't a reminder what happened after that I know is I dropped the knife in my whole way stripped down and just show. But you've left the Western in the whole so y you spent how long sitting in the shower. I don't know the other The police on their way. I can't say say go populate. Thank you for your help while to me. Sounds like he wanted that as a record he when he was asking twice not to be interrupted he was asking so that he could have a record of what he'd done. Uninterrupted that could be freely accessible for anyone to listen to keep that's unreal. Also really he did sound like he was making a Abbasi went Did so the breakfast Dacian was established by wreck Saami raise awareness of of online dating jazz. An his stories being featured on many real-life documentaries The crime happened in two thousand fourteen on on in two thousand nineteen articles published on the BBC News. Tea and that Lewis Stanzas torn the bad family from prison. Jesus Christ so chloe Brecca assist one of the triplets said Lewis sent him messages on snapchat snapshots. Saying I know way a brother is buried and I wanNA smashes Tombstone Liam Stone. What actual? Yeah what a sadistic motherfucker so the family believe there is not on the police can do because it's an American up but snap and snap shots being criticized for delay in handling Honda over the Deel to police and all of the day for the investigation Kevin Claims and the prime minister at the time said the government's expected to reach an agreement with the US under the new crime overseas production order. Act which would give the law enforcement eight law enforcement agencies powered obtain electronic data review it as couple overseas production. Then this act on the end copper. So snapchat said we understand how upset in the situation is for the bed. non-family we have provided the advice on restoring privacy sentence and we have also terminated the a uses Terminate the account. And that's the story of Brechner. Also babyface killer needed a double whammy. That Jesus Christ is really dangerous will could happen from doing stuff online though which is look at. GTE online gene like grand theft auto online. It's an eighteen rated game yet. If you log in the online game you will hear shitloads of children like like teenage S.. Twelve Lewis of them so easy for a grown man or a grown woman. To Gal in there be friends. Someone and a this happens again. It's I people meeting people from like online dating apps and never meet in person before and then try aveline meet someone on their own without telling people because of embarrassed and then you never know what these dangerous could be like. I think in this day and age in two thousand nine hundred nineteen twenty twenty. How you meet? Someone shouldn't really be the thing that's frowned upon. If you don't tell someone if you're officials tell someone to tell someone where you go in say a meeting this guy a meeting this go at this this ball on this day at this time and that we if something happens you can then say the police. All my friends go missing and this is where the last one on mean someone on exclusively but again. That doesn't happen when it comes to a fourteen year old kid playing an online video game like to me. That sounds like minecraft. Yeah yeah like you can easily meet someone in an online chat room and then added to him on. Crossover Butts played minecraft to me. It'd be men craft. Could it could be anything really cause but like when you say six players that eliminates certain games like it's probably not gonna six a overwatch way. Wait you said for twenty fourteen. Wouldn't have been over watching was it. Could it be an overwatch. Are there was two thousand thirteen to fourteen really. The teen. Gene probably wasn't overwatch but still could be legal legends. aecom remember but anyway it just shows you how easy it is full of a Washington. Kamato two thousand sixteen. Yeah I thought so but it just shows you how easy it is for predators not just sexual predators but uh-huh predators defead on the Naievty of children. Because I don't care what fifteen fourteen thirteen year old says even sixteen-year-olds Gerald's they are still children. Yeah your children until the age of eighteen until you are legally allowed to join the army army. You are not allowed to do certain stuff. It's there to protect you in all our drink in. This is eighteen in America's twenty one in some places it's thirteen and open still but these laws are there to protect children. Thank you get it from booth. That's in the privacy of your own home though. Not Balls these laws of that to protect children but Rebel against it thinking. It's a punishment when it's not like when children children when a child isn't allowed an eighteen rated game because eighteen and they know eighteen. It's there because the stuff in that game. You're not supposed to see yet now. Now I know. See you play teammate gaming yet seventeen big whoop Bush fourteen or twelve now. It doesn't sit right with me. It doesn't you should still be playing like uncharted. That's at eight fifteen like doing anything. Like bio means play a game of guns in it but game where you actually have to like torture someone or steak lewd acts. What's in it? Yeah like that doesn't sit right with me but this guy obviously hot like what was the old again Lewis those. Dan's he obviously had a screw loose but he did that to me. Anyway he killed dot kid breck and he rang the police dot the even. Even the phone call was party's plan because him sane at a one-year wrote me sounds like to me he wanted to have an actual record of what he did and be able to like have that as his legacy and in my mind. He actually thinks he's going to get up to twenty five years. Probably just we can do it again and all the world well. I don't have any news this week. Apart from Eh. Obviously all the The the Bush Australia all still region. And it's one of the most horrifying thing stopping in a while live so everyone affected exactly the animals Did you hear about that. You're familiar with only funds. Yeah like like new years. I was going to get it to sell pitches really. Nobody wants to say my steel. That's an option Seen as Gail on Youtube and she got a Salad Bikini picks on from holiday and like I think it was like full grant something takes people pay him a normal amounts for stuff like this But there's a girl at home remember name but she has raised a think about half a million dollars for charity. That's helping people who've been affected by the Bush in Australia. Yeah by selling online neutrals for ten dollars a pop pop inches. Raise half a million. The the -pedia so from every bad thing there's a good thing there's a great me as well as a picture of the loss. He was raised that money. And then it's a paint join Guy Selena and and also his erection saluting so yeah. I enjoyed that Other than that though start one to fund alcohol alcohol habit. You don't drink gin as much as you can drink on the CD when you hiding from me take silences veteran are no but maybe I have got checky. Okay well we actually have an email so no it's from your dad knows of dot. Why would you seem us so so every single week we ask you to send us? What is the creepiest thing that happened to you? Do we want to know what ever happened to. You is what the story is what happened leading up to it Doctorate that's the deal. You can email us at C. I. Deity e-e-eddie podcast A DEMON DOT COM seat at podcast. GM DOT COM and we have a response from a one catherine why Katie. Oh Yeah K- Yep so this is this is her email also know you said. Put 'em dodge joke in the subject. I actually did the high high hungry dot am so as email. Hey Chalayan Jacob. Hi Hi just doesn't know the PODCAST so I hope you're still wanting these of course we all know Jake there. How many says really is creepy? Things that I've told you and the following may be one most of them have happened at my former or at my former your current place of work. That's good to know one of the things that has happened to me was at Kiel. The castle October. Two Thousand Sixteen was my best friend's Hindu. She is well-equipped stuff. So instead of going out we organized a power normal evening at kielder castle so with a professional paranormal investigation company. That sounds amazing. Sounds really good. It started at seven. But we're being wick. I finished at six and how to one and a half hour drive so I was a little late. The investigation shocking. My friend Sarah told the investigators but never mentioned my name important that I be joining them a little late. I arrived between Hof seven and quality eight and found the group in a derelict building which which was used for storage the boop had already introduced themselves to the area slash buildings giving their names again. My name be never being uttered when I joined the group. They were conducting an investigation with spirit box standard ghost adventures conditions almost pitch black cooled etc which Keel there is in general. I approached the group an investigator. How many spirits there and the box says fuck the investigator asks who Katie is and Sarah sees pointing at me? Oh that's nice. We then sit in a circle investigator catches me up fires up the spirit box again and in Katie and it's Katy almost immediately. I go aces. Starting at the top of my head and spreading down to my feet the feeling the feeling feeling vanished almost as quickly it started and seemed to disappear through the soles of my feet. Lleida we stand in a different room of the derelict building building in a circle. And Ask for an ask the spirit to do something items with thrown. But the scariest thing. was that a floorboard that both with myself and Sarah was standing on moved under our feet and we hit a man laugh directly behind us. All that was behind US literally chilly less than one. Step back not enough space for someone to be standing. There was the outer wall no rooms behind the wall just outside the end lift gate. That's weird chanter. That sounds incredible. Well thank you very much kitty. That spooky. I like it would be most deflate that they stories. I'm trying to find more stories. That for the PODCAST. Where like it's not just mid as it's you know I was playing hopscotch? Ghost came from. I read something on Facebook Maria pirate ghost the pirate whom they're finding that woman woman who married goes to three hundred zero pirate says hey briefs Annoy definite believing in God. She looks like an opposite. Fr- uh-huh Jesus Christ large teak how summing school Monda large teague. Thing it says take does isn't it wasn't it was meditating the facetime she says she met the goal is to three hundred year. Old Haidian Pirate Shea. She thought Hejin pirate essays among each and I was. It's all funny funny She thought he was rooted in solitude so she told him leave and then he showed up again again. The third time he visited Northern Ireland she decided to talk to him after she communicate with the goals several several months. She said she became convinced. It was Jack who claimed had inspired the character of Captain Jack Sparrow walked actual hell no hegemony of spiritual discovery Led her Shea said Tamari Jock in two thousand sixty on a boat and the Atlantic Ocean ceremony officiated by yourself described Chaban Shamanee Was uh-huh sit in front of his neck. Julie Jeff like she previous marriage to a physical being for six years and had five children with physical being like any normal couple. Modern London Jacko on dates have rows and even have sex. She even appeared on loose women on Valentine's Day. Two thousand eighteen as she revealed. Change is costly hope. Yeah glass of Room when they go on date nights to their local Pope Pocono does she actually probably money. My Gosh people people right. I think that's a good note to end it on. There is no provision provisioning. UK Low for like two Maria DOT com. So the couple took marina. Dad Ed Pasadena's legal and sit in countries such as France Singapore China so by going on the wall as to get married which aren't governed by any particular country jacket amandas union could be the helped one held whom I god ratio wherein in this now the next week only twelve people were allowed on the boat so Amanda and Jack invited their closest friends and Hitchin signs documentation of the married. She also stays at the wall and shout apricots for no reason actual fruit loop going back to tiki story. Though I I wouldn't mind going into like a recruit you play us into a border something just to see however push push the thing though you push the punch. It probably spelled backwards so I wouldn't know what it was not want chicken. Chicken nuggets it. When we go home we are to the new fight like spicy ones? Next Marshall. neoprene bucket a bookworm. Equal opponent is going to be now know stupid ordering so thank you for listening into this episode of the podcast. 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So one of my friends on facebook said and the fellow wasn't even finished the CGI was all over shop at had people's feet singing through the floor faces were floating around and the remix some of the songs from the sound completely different of the on to the original the feet sinking through the flow of it so I can see how bad it is. Do you think it's going to be the room levels of good fucking. He was awesome. Good field the wisdom of efficacy and Freddy got fingered. As you're playing with waste can go back with. He thought one that was screen and seen the one for you help you know let Amanda was dominated mind did this. Yeah didn't mind that one in it was the one about the I'm come on. And he was like pretending that he was still like was east film stars. Yeah I would no no shocking. uh-huh shocking at the cinema visit that horrified for Christmas shocking shocking as well. That was awful. I like legitimate. The awful sick like ultra levels of bad about that was probably the worst film to Komo into putting nineteen hands down not just with horror with movie and cats cats here at least that some entertainment value from what I've heard did it was. It was terrible but it was funny. Terrible anyway so here. A little snippet of some audio radio video on all social media channels Basically the beginning of the last episode asset that we were going to lease a podcast every single week for wrote this entire year. And if I don't this is what happens shit. Hello I'M GONNA religion absolute every single week. I know that is not me spanking. Yeah good point to make that. Is the sound of meeting chopped now. I'm training in professional wrestling. And a chip is the act of essentially slopping someone on the chest thumping funny like I'm not getting any punishment cashman for not doing it. Could he not recording this week. Just so you get stopped. Did nothing through. Eat really didn't but you've done it now next week to all the people thought have chopped me. Let's go back on the agreement. His the go ahead daily. What have you done to my fiance? You assholes I asked for it. That's even more stay eleven eleven could you trump is. It's basically my way of saying that there will be an episode every week. So you bet I'll let me recall. I hey actually every once in a Disney even stated that if I can't if you recall recall when we self by just me by myself so if it has to that will happen. Why would you do that though? Tre Tre. We'll you're the one that's making me get chopped. I'm going to get chopped. I'm going to make it so I don't off looking choppier pieces on. You wouldn't even work at either anyway. Thank you for listening everybody and we will see you next week. End In this podcast yes. We'll chop chop okay. That was bad. It's bad I've got you. Could you know. Let's go in a good night. How did I remember that? 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Welcome back over his authority live and so before we get to forget to our guest here I'm just finish this article on the militia groups pointing on descending Richmond. Protected here we're in a limited supply. And most jobs descending on? On Richmond for gun rally this Monday via potential for. The. Potential for mayhem is so acute that V governor has declared a state of emergency and banned weapons of any kind from capitol grounds through the evening of January twenty first before Ban Philip van cleave the head of the V. C. D. L. urged supporters not to bring assault style, rifle, civil rally, but had not discourage them for bearing bringing handguns. He continued to complain that the protesters will be defenseless without having to carry weapons. To demonstration legal challenges by VCD CDL. Which I probably mentioned earlier in the article but I'm just skipping around here. VCD L. to the ban in the courts have now stalled Virginia Supreme Court ruled on Friday evening, but it will not overturn governor's action. Is Not clear whether the group will appeal to the US Supreme Court and it's not clear how protesters will respond to the ban. I mean well, first thing I I I obviously. Governor does is going to be bullshit was a black face orphan but. I. Don't know why anyone would feel unsafe I mean this is going to be during the day. This is going to be in a public place. There's going to be cops everywhere and so to say, Oh, we need we need rifles to feel safe here I mean I think that's I think that's that's ridiculous. Bring guns. They're just going to instigate things. But okay. So anyways, that's that's what we have is going to be a little taste here for what we have. Going to be talking about and so before. I actually. All right. So now we have a guest in studio. Here we have a Christopher Cantwell host of radical agenda and outlaw conservative podcasts. Welcome Chris. Now you hear me. Yes. All right. Fantastic. It's good to be with. You man late no not Blissett out there I like left the House I had a thing to do. Like seventy miles from here and I have I've been sitting in my studio old before that you know those of you who watched the video you know my windows blacked out behind me, right? No idea it's snowing outside. Drives Tony Miles. I'll be back here. I'm glad to have you here. Glad it's safe I mean you know gotTa just be guilty on the way here you crashed or something because he was pretty when I got here was like three free inches of snow and right before you got here via truck only just came by paved it. So welcome welcome haven the streets today They plowed I guess. The English. Language, excuse me so. We're. GOING TO BE GETTING INTO WE'RE GONNA. Definitely going to be talking about Virginia. Right? We have. We have an expert here on. A Yeah Christian expert in. Virginia G to about a thing to regard to Virginia Criminal Justice System yes. Yes. For better or for worse but I just WanNa get through some some basic questions here so. You've. You're currently on hiatus you've been back this Mondays man if you're coming back. I'm happy to tell you. There's a there's a high on. This is my first radio appearance at twenty twenty. So I'm good to be I'm really glad to be here, oh. Thank you. Thank you. appreciated. Appreciated Davits. Ride visit a cutting edge right where breaking. It's breaking here on on the show. Great Well, not not not quite yet. You know let's get a few drinks in me for breaking conditioning. So. All right. So it's a good to know. You're coming back on Monday versus sort of a lot of doubt right now about the status of the show you've been banned from pretty much most social media and video hosting platforms. vers. The alright sphere at least among like public know the celebs most vocal people on twitter versus a lot of hostility toward you because of like the Ricky Vaughn situation and Jared Holt situation. So. What's What's what's your status? Chris. Right, now well, I mean look the radical agenda is more or less a big few people who want me to shut up at this point I mean I can't make any money with it. And, it's an this is not do I i. really don't want to give any credit to anybody except the rich and powerful people who have you know d platform you and stuff the idiots on twitter. Who are talking smack about the I mean these people are just beneficiaries at power system I mean that's that's all there is to it, and that's they're getting away with you know basically blatantly dishonest behaviour for the most part because I'm not violating the user agreements that he's platforms to get out there and defend myself you know and so I don't I don't care because the truth of the matter is I think that you know. We'll just call it the all right. Because people understand that but whatever it was, it's garbage. It's dead it's done they didn't. They didn't have what it took to withstand the pressures that that were thrown at US Charlottesville they had no lack of a better term, revolutionary discipline and it all went to. All went to with the hell. We could say. I would. Smithereens. Smithereens is what happened and so you know if it's like all right guys go and they blatant go to jail for you and then you're like, well, you know that was fun until the the the the the Neo Nazi website run by the Jewish guy calls you a rat well, then then we're going to throw you under the bus. You all go to hell well, you know I mean if that's what you are then I'm sorry you're not in any shape to take on the people that you think you take it on. So as far as I'm concerned, you know look there's still thousands of people who listen every word I say and and Happy to send me money albeit not enough you know. But there's like there's no amount of money that could satisfy all the problems that are coming at me in any case, and so you know I gotta scrape by and do what it is that I gotta do to stay. To to keep going because I can't allow these people to make me stop you know and so you know. This is what I. This is what I did for a living before I ever heard of the old before anybody heard of the alright, a professional content producer for years. So you know if basically it was a bad business decision to get caught up with these idiots and now I gotta figure out now. So I'm going to do that and you you brought up a lot very definitely going to have some questions about the wider right wing movement later and Were coming up against a break and I will be taking calls into the towards the latter half of this hour in the beginning of the second hour at six, zero, three, two, eight, three, six, hundred, sixty or discord dot l.. Dot FM. If you have something, you want to bring up a pertaining to the discussion. If you have a question or something you want to bring up with Chris and that's and. If you want to show support for the show, the network, the studio me and you do so at. Tip Dot L. AROUND DOT FM and But before at since we're talking about Virginia and just you know before we get into the nitty gritty of the politics in your. When you announcer hiatus in a blog post titled I need a break in your help you may you sites one source of stress and? As being via the civil case that's being against you in Charleston I know you're under some sort of gag order and you're unable to talk about certain aspects of it but what can you get into? What I can't talk about is the complainants in my criminal matter. That's off limits and the thing is that and so if I went and I talked about the the the the broader conspiracy that that is the civil suit I'd have to mention those people and I can't do that. Okay. But I can say that you know basically day of suit us for the absolute inverse of the truth you know the those your watch Tucker Carlson he says it all the time whatever they're accusing you doing. That's exactly what they are doing. So you know a bunch of communists conspire to attack us because they want to have our demonstration or whatever, and then they suit us for conspiring to attack them. It's literally will happen and so you know I did not. I was down in Virginia. I was concentrating on the criminal matter I didn't even bother to go after like the broader conspiracy but back in September. My lawyers dropped me as a client because I pay them and so I had to I'm represent myself pro in a civil six hundred to dig into the of conspiracy. All right, and we'll get into that plus V twenty, twenty elections and the state of the all right and Virginia and much more plus your calls dispatching up forty don't go away we'll be right back. The Free State Project Has Reached its goal of twenty thousand Liberty Lovers who pledged to move to New Hampshire and get active to achieve liberty in our lifetime. Perhaps, you're trying to figure out what part of New Hampshire should be your destination. 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Now, a presidential pardon is, Ross his only hope of freedom sign the petition at free Ross Dot Org free rawls dot. Org. You love twitter. Make sure you favorite Dale end on FM twitter account. You can receive our tweets at twitter DOT DOT FM. That's twitter dot. L.. Dot FM. Welcome back. Pushing on forty five, and so we have someone very special collar. I think you'll recognize in. Crisper. Before about I want to get to get to the chat room here from chat. Shout outs on Stephen Beast wants to know is that the daily stormer guy? So I mean he's got to be on some pretty hardcore hallucinogen. He's got to be on whatever angle and staking to mistake you for angle and both of you are bald but no, he's not the daily stormer guy this is a Chris Cantwell. Shout out to. The Guy who's like this white sneakers that's Anglin. Wearing, red new balance. With with Louis de of a pillow and may body pillow. We'll actually that's that someone else but anyways, we'll get into bed and do time. Show wh-what up to a shadow to a shade ginger beer given that horrific white supremacist. Okay. Symbol. Stephen B.'s once again, my prediction is a bunch of people will come to peacefully protest feds event feds will show up undercover and start shit that's for. These referring to the Richmond? Event plan is right by the way stay away from that Bang. If you've ever listened to another thing I, don't go anywhere that thing I tease you're going to get all these libertarian to hate you to show up now because we're gonNA WANNA, do be opposite of what you say but anyway so it's fine as a matter of fact, let me just rephrase that every left libertarian in the country get your ass to Richmond Virginia on Monday and make sure you're there with open carrying and in civil disobedience of Ralph North thing. If you're right of Elizabeth Warren don't go anywhere near that thing and you know a practice algorithm, right bring all your math, your garage, sell some drugs and say you know what we need not only doing it to keep our guns. We need to end this war on drugs at you stopped trying to take our fun away and and for war on child porn. Yeah and the war on child. Now you get that t shirt on there you go down there to Richmond Virginia, you say I don't believe in age of consent laws. You'll fuck take my gun when you take my heroine, which is over my dead body. So we have. We have a we have. You might recognize fiscal. We have mouth breathing Dullard on the line. Either don't do this to me again you son of a bitch do there he knows how to get to me Oh, he knows how to get it. Well, you know what you do at callers will get to hang up on them. You say like, no. Okay. So this is James. This James from Arizona and he after a period of not calling in actually you know this guy, you WanNa get some. If you think you're hardcore James threatened a judge and prosecutor on Free Talk Live a few weeks ago. So anyway so this is how he gets to me. He calls in I reluctantly go to his call he stays silent and that's how he wins because that's like you know he could call me a degenerate pothead loser and tell the truth on the air but. Just by wasting my time is what ghosts would refer to as a Helen Keller deaf-mute. So the city at off my fucking for calling me a loser Vincent Freeman. Stephan from Ohio welcome. anyways. Okay. So six, zero, three, two, eight, three, sixty, one, sixty or discord DOT DOT FM to join in on the on air call in lines, we'll be taking calls. A next next segment. WanNa get through some of this. Discussion here with we have Osa radical agenda, Chris Cantwell. So I know you said you're unable to talk of most about the the civil. Civil case but is this the same one that's involving Jason Kessler Mikey knock the well. Actually, no longer defended he was dismissed from the thing. Okay. But the name of the case is sci-fi Kessler I can talk about the civil suit. There are individuals who are not party to the suit, but are very much part of the conspiracy that I allege. I cannot talk about on the radio. Okay. So I if I don't name names if I'd say like or like I can't even do like they've said I can't even talk about like their demographics it's insane but you know basically, I mean the long and short of it is people fucking people people set us up you know the whole thing was the whole thing was they plan this from the beginning and they have alleged of US precisely what they did it's like it's completely nuts and what has happened since then is that Like if you get sued if people have never been sued before, I, hope you never have to go through this people who have been sued. You know what I'm talking about but even you didn't go through it as bad as we do. It's a process called discovery right? People get people who understand the law from the perspective of the criminal justice system. They think they have a right to be free from unreasonable search and seizure. They think they have a right not to be a witness against themselves don't have. Any of that shit in civil court somebody comes in alleges that you did something and if it survives a motion to dismiss, then they can ask you a question want under any question they want. But like they could ask you questions under oath if you if you lie, you're committing a felony if you they can demand your records, they demand your communications, they demand your financial records and all this stuff right? Well, we know that this lawsuit has no legitimacy, the people who are suing us like the lawyers and. Stuff. These people like connected to the Obama Administration and stuff. These are Democrat power people, and so they come after US and they start demanding access to emails and phone records and finance records and stuff like this, and understandably people are kind of hesitant to give them all of this stuff because they are not look they don't believe they're going to find evidence of this Nazi conspiracy to kill fat girl. They don't believe that. Okay. What they're looking for is information to use for other purposes. They WANNA tie the. Republican Party right. So like they say, give us all your emails about Charlottesville and if somebody goes in it, just as a random example, I'm definitely not I definitely have no reason to believe anybody does but they find out that you were emailing devin nunes about it. Then they you use it to destroy unions, right? That's the whole idea they want to tie the Republican, Party and terrify and make other people terrified to be anywhere near us. You know that's the idea and so the the trial is set for. The October and November in Charlottesville, and yet you're not. You're you're part of your other court cases at you're not allowed to go into states or we're GonNa make a special exemption. I. I. Am Not Allowed to go to Virginia except for compulsory legal process. So I have to be subpoenaed to go to Virginia which will definitely happen if there's a trial. The court will not say well, you know Sorry Mall County told you to stay the hell away from this place I. Guess You're done with this Mr game well, now, the federal court will figure out a way to get there for a trial. But I can't like I can't go there to file a paper or whatever, and what do you stand to lose if they the planes are successful in the civil case the thing is now first of all. They don't even expect to get a verdict, and in fact, there's an intelligence operations espionage. Okay. They don't expect to win I. Don't think they're gonNA make it pass summary Judgment they were very lucky to make it passed a motion to dismiss and so what's but if let's just say that everything they said was true well. Even at that, like there's nobody that I didn't damage a damn and alleged that caused anybody money right? Like like they say that they're trying to hold me responsible like James they say that like because I participated in this conspiracy that I'm responsible for James Fields killing heather air well like. James Field is in a car accident gets dwayne Dixon, point a rifle at them for one and by the way I have met change. There's no evidence that he ever listened to my podcast. So like how what, what is my liability for the death of has a hair and the answer zero. So what are you GonNa? What are you GonNa get asked there are asking for untold millions of dollars right now if they got that if they got that judge like if if we went in there and five twelve best friends with the jurors you know and they were like, yeah, we're GONNA we're GonNa do this thing the reverse of what the Senate is going to Donald Trump's impeachment, right? then. What's what would happen is that they would chase me until I was dead the the nature of what they've accused us of is that they say that you know if you get in a car accident, you caused somebody some money and you can't pay you can file bankruptcy more or less get out of that debt. Okay. If somebody alleges that you did something like. Like a premeditated militias, illegal violence, you can't discharge that their bankruptcy. It's almost like a student loan so to speak, right so these people would hound me until I was dead, and then if I had anything left over, they take it from my state. That's what would happen. Okay and is. Anything anything else you'd like to add a regarding at least you know Charlottesville. The this upcoming thing in Virginia and Richmond, but anything else you WANNA think is important to mention about Charlottesville you WANNA add. I don't know I. I wouldn't want to risk you getting D. Platform going on a racist rant. So let's Move Okay. All right. So Three, two, eight, six, hundred, sixty or discord dot L., dot. FM to join in on the on Air Colin Lines we didn't calls next segment and the beginning of the of the next hour you have any questions for for myself or known what's talked me the only questions for someone you want something you want to bring up next we're GONNA be talking about the. Upcoming Rally in Richmond which Is. Very. Adamant. On people not going to and quite a few people also into chatter saying that it's going to be. Suspect, it's going to be a screw job. So we're GONNA be talking about that. 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I know that when the radical agendas air little while life slows down for radical agenda listeners I get that but it's literally been two weeks. I've been off the air. Okay. Not I'm just saying I. Don't know if you're still fall if you're just totally dedicate yourself to writing your book and. Civil case but I. Miss an episode Ataka. You'd okay. So so used to religiously watch Fox News so I'm s okay. So it's safe to say you've been following this Virginia situation I I don't know that I've been I haven't followed the intricacies of it online. Okay. They've talked about it a little bit on TV. I've had a couple of chat conversations with people who are like there's GonNa go bad I heard that there was a story that some Canadian white supremacist got arrested. Underway do conspire to violence that's the pretext. Okay and I saw this happen you know in Charlottesville we went there for permitted demonstration everything was supposed to be fine. We were coordinating with law enforcement and there's a bunch of Communists and Nazis bringing violence to Nazis bringing violence, and then what happens is the communists they commit some violence violence happens, and then all of you white males you go to jail because you're. Nazis and that's how this works. I've seen that happen anybody who cares about their future should not go anywhere near that thing Virginia is has been captured. Okay. The Virginia government is run by Democrats. They are radical extremists and they will do insane dangerous things in order to get what they want, and if you go down there, they're looking for a pretext to take their guns away and get it. So don't be it. But do do you think it's important for? Do you think that nothing should happen that people should lie obviously going there with weapons and? Becoming like it dressed up in costumes such as a horrible idea. But know some people argue that it's important that the people show their displeasure with it through I shouldn't say civil disobedience it's just you know just doing a rally. So do you think people should just do nothing and let it get past with Noah commotion? I'm I'm a professional intervention content producer that last thing I want to say is that people shouldn't do anything. What I want to say is that you can't do things that are predictably going to cause you to fail at your mission sell like you go into enemy territory. When the governor's like well, we were passing these laws to take your guns away. And if you want to come here what your guns and tell us otherwise, you know there's a good possibility get shot and then we have some questionable story of Canadian Neo Nazis. Get. Up by the FBI on their way to this thing because they're planning violence, that's the pretext. Okay. You don't go into a place where the integrity of the government has already been compromised. You don't go into a place where you like the idea that you're going to go and Save Virginia at this point after what we saw happen in Charlottesville is too stupid to take seriously, which is why I am a partisan by the. Way. Okay whatever whatever problems you know I'm not happy with a Lotta with Donald Trump day particularly with regard to foreign policy. But I know that you know you can see what they're doing to hindle Juju all of us the Democrats. So what you have to do is you need to start moving in a direction that's favorable to, and you're not going to accomplish that by going to a thing where they are where the communists. where, the government is already making a pretext to crackdown on you. It's predictable. You've seen what they did to the justice system there they did it to me they could do it to you. They did worse. You don't change fields pace of life to life sentences one federal one St Plus Five, hundred, nineteen years in prison for car accident got down there with a garden to the capital and say, you're not taking my guns from my call Dead Hands Ralph Northam this guy was out there in black face or A clan hood and a bunch of people who call everyone right of Elizabeth Warren and Nazi, elected him governor state and they're like that take my guns away clan black face north. Yes. Fantastic. You want to go down there and put yourself in the line of that. Then you have learned nothing in the last three years and you get what you deserve. Don't do it but when when you say you, you've learned nothing from like at least from what I've seen I've seen I'm not like talking to these people. The own. According to like the slate article, right? They say like the V two I mean if you're to believe immediate but there's only gonNA be two types of people who are going to be at this rally militia crazy right-wing gun, militia members, and. Neo Nazi skinhead white supremacists but I mean obviously. I guess which one you are pick one are you a neo Nazi skinhead gang member or a militia nutcase I? Guess it depends on how much hair you have. You know I mean that's literally what it is. Are you going when you go to this demonstration is the is the communist government of Virginia gotTa Declare You an enemy of the state because you are racist because you're a militia and those are your two choices you could pick one if you want to go to Virginia on Monday and I just WanNa be people to understand I'm not advocating one side or another but I mean I don't think a lot of people who'd be going to that rally like was I think okay. Re like Richard Spencer said, he'd be going Alex Jones said he'd be going imagine just a lot of regular average second may second amendment sporting per people especially Virginia going to go, and so a lot of these people they don't expect to get VCR LE`ts Ville treatment because you know very ver- not a Nazi. Dress up in a way did anyone trust up Charlie? James fieldstone expect to get to Charlottesville treatment data. That's how it works or spectating and it happens. So you know this is the whole the whole thing you have you have anybody who goes there and gets themselves jammed up you had all the warnings in the world you saw what happened in Charlottesville and that's you know. When I was down there I said you know my my my status. Okay. I have faith in the integrity of the New Hampshire government whatever might disagreements would it might be you know I said when I was down there I said I'm trying to prevent this madness for making its way north. Okay. That state you. Like all of the evidence is out there, all of the video is out there anybody who wants to go. You know I mean they delayed a lot of stuff that's not favorable to them from youtube by now. But if anybody wants to know what happened in Charlottesville, the proof is really not that difficult to find and the people of that state instead of going and looking at that evidence decided to let their government get taken over by Communist for the first time in twenty five years. That's that's the people of that state chose to do, and so you you. Anybody who goes to Richard Spencer is going to go to the WHO's going to go after him the the the the the stupid patriots are going to save the Communist the trouble is what's going to happen. They're going to be like, let's go virtue signal against this racist, it's. Not Racist Commodity let's go yell at Richard Spencer together and it's going to be absolutely disgusting and then what's going to happen is there's GonNa. Be Some masked idiot who's who's WHO's voted Democrat every two, four, six years for as long as he's been allowed to do. So maybe for longer and then he's going to go what he's going to set up some firecrackers and then go crabs gonna get gunned down and anybody who's there is going to end up in jail. That does sound very likely unfortunately but I mean regarding Richard Spencer, he was as as you know he was on the Alex Jones show and I actually have a clip I'll play of him eventually on there and so I don't know if he's trying to if his image has been sanitizer of Jones, is going to be there to protect him because he claimed he wanted to do. An interview with them because. You have a lot of good ideas rich or something along those lines you wanted to do an interview with them but. I am curious to see how it's going to be the fact that the fatman himself is going to be there in person I wonder if shit will I don't know part of me thinks that. It might just be a giant died but. I, never question is, do you think that Charlottesville had an impact on the I think it was what the governor elections in. In in Virginia I think the governor election was after Charlottesville had any sort of electoral impact on Virginia what I think it did was. I I don't know the politics of Virginia well enough to say, okay I know that while I was in jail, some tranny got elected like replaced some staunch conservative. But the fact that a matter is that Virginia, the population of Virginia has been getting replaced with the population at DC for years right and so like this, you know what this is why the people call themselves progressive, right? They view their they've you their aims is inevitable because. Our destiny and they've managed to control that aspect of it. Okay. Now, of course, most Virginia in terms of landmass is is conservative, but you know democracy is fundamentally a is. Not GonNA call it a race war, but it's a numbers game. Okay. You we've got more people than you and so I don't care how much territory you control. We'll put our boot down on your neck and so that has been something that's been going on for a long time. Did what happened in Charlottesville help that? Of course not definitely done it. If cowed the Republicans because they're because they're scared, right? They're like wow. It's obvious that this was a total scam. But if I say anything, my political career is going to be row and so I'm going to cave to this communist conspiracy and and talk about how bad those czar for daring to show up at a permitted demonstration with helping American civil liberties. Union. And advance in the last few moments we have left. Do you think that that was part of the part of the plan for Aclu you? To? Wyndham, the the permits or whatever didn't like facilitate for it to happen I. I don't know enough about the people who are involved in. Aspect of it to say you know. 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Last I believe the last time I had you on we were talking in we talked about be twenty twenty Democratic Primary Kamala Harris was still in the race and I believe she at one point was was your favorite. Or were you disappointed when she dropped out? It's hard to be disappointed by something that you always know is going to have it I. Did I didn't think that we were GonNa have Kamala Harris Donald trump on a debate stage realistically I thought that. I kind of she stayed in a little bit longer because I think that she would go a long way towards like antagonizing White Democrats to the point that they would vote for trump again right Now you know as as you constantly hear the liberal media say it's it's now cemented obvious truth that Democrat primary voters are racist and they've gotten rid of all the non whites save for Andrea and he can't even get on a debate stage I mean you know Tom Steiner and and and. And Adler and Mike, Bloomberg and Bernie. Sanders you know they present as white of course, and we know better. But anyway so you know gave them all complaining. Now there's a bunch of white people but that probably makes you know the majority of Democrat voters actually pretty happy now right? They're like okay. We tried to Obama thing where we have to say that it was great. But we kind of know betters while we like trump. So right now it's. Biden is. Overall Biden is still in the lead followed by Sanders and Warren. Re. As probably most blacks probably not mostly I don't I don't think most people in the right mind would really care to watch these debates. But I did I don't know if you did you watch via Tuesday's the baker's. I tried I consider it my my professional obligation to watch these things and I watched. I want to say I watched the first half hour forty, five minutes then I tuned out and I tried to come back into it and I- dvr at and I told myself I was gonna I was like this is a complete snooze fest like it was more fun when they had a bunch of diversity up there I mean to the extent that I mean this is why liberal media says it right diversity is our strength is diversity is your ratings. It's a circus when you have Kamala Harrison Cory Booker up there right now it's like Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren and and and and. The most interesting part was obviously the clip that everybody seen a million times at is stupid. I called sexists because I'm dumb enough to think that's GONNA work with Communists. And instead, everybody's like Oh with Elizabeth Warren. You're not supposed to use against us us against the guy. which survivor did you watch most of the other debates the God I watched the entirety of every other Democrat primary debate the most recent one I literally fell asleep while I was watching it I woke up a little while later I caught sort of the end of it. and. I was like and I told myself that I was GonNa Watch it on the DVR and I just couldn't bring myself to do it. I was like this is just nonsense. Did you did you. Like it was nonsense, the I see tons. The problem is repetitive, right? They're not saying anything new so I before they were fighting with each other like I'm going to be the craziest person on this stage is like I want free healthcare free illegal immigrants like I want free healthcare for illegal immigrants and a free pony, and that's Vermin Supreme Your Denecker. Thing hoping. It's more fun before but now they're like, they're all realizing I. Think I think that more that more than more than the people who are no longer on the stage I think what it is is that There are all sorts of coming to this realization. We've gone too far. Right. There are realizing like the public things were crazy. We've been living in our twitter mentions and and we think that we've been telling everybody that transgenderism is the way of the future and like they're realizing that the American public is absolutely not going to elect them president for this and now. They're trying to sort of tone it down. But that's a really uncomfortable thing to do at this stage of it. You know and so I I just have a clip here I think the only interesting portion of it. So for those of you who haven't seen the debate during the debate or before the debate I, think it was a few days before Verma's. Some. Like, CNN or the media was reporting on how? allegedly. Bernie Sanders had told Elizabeth Warren that a woman couldn't get elected as president and hang on hang on. It was CNN. Okay. And it was CNN is reporting that sources say that Bernie Sanders Elizabeth Warren in a private conversation that a woman couldn't get elected President United States and you know who verified back conversation. So like, yeah, exactly. So Hey, who told you about this private conversation between Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren what's a confidential but we called Elizabeth Warren and she was like, I, definitely happened I mean. These people, it's so I can't believe how out of touch they are with the rest of the country right? Like they just pull up blatantly obvious scam things like of course, you conspired with the war and campaign CNN everybody knows it, and so the try to this thing where it circular reporting, it's like well, you know Elizabeth Warren tell this guy, and then he'll tell us and we'll call you and we'll confront like they had conspired to do as far as I'm concerned and that clip where they go up and talk to each other afterwards. Bernie smart. He's like, oh I know this is something I do to Donald Trump. If I had the chance, you know we're we're on a hot Mike and you're coming up trying to get a confession. Outta may come on I do this to people all the time. And I just think it's an absolute travesty of you travesty for Journalism two point where have a lot of professors who are on the you know Mama, journalism student of professors who are on you know obviously very far left wing of the spectrum and they don't even consider CNN to be a new source they say just as bad as Fox News at this point I mean I. I'm I'm intrigued by this. So you're taking a journalist timid course of study at at Kingston College I took it I took it and your journalism professors at this liberal college that you go to. Out of their mind, not all the you know it's not a consensus not all of them but yeah, I've had I've had it's like they'd respect for New York Times but not CNN or MSNBC. Cable Cable News in general I mean anyone who knows anything about ethics in journalism would you know would understand how it's It's ver- just it's. Go even further to say like most newspapers at this point where the the sponsors are a sham trying to find the exact quote where it's like the spot the you know the the the sponsors. Dictate the content of it and it's just see. You know it was just like corporate propaganda point. It's just which CIDER. You know which side is giving you money and I don't I can't point to you any publication in the alternative media. The regular media of Alternative Alternative media that I could say is one hundred percent. Unbiased I mean. Say Go. visit ibtx Hunter S. Thompson objectivity is impossible I understand. But one point in time and I forget I. Forget the name of the actual pull it up in the next segment but. Versus a time when people would reporters would report on things and you can might be a registered Democrat registered Republican but they would just report the facts, report the truth. But now you have in I'll use the example of like CNN Fox News Msnbc. They don't just report the facts and they say, Oh, let's have this panel of guests here to talk about what does this mean? Oh, you're twitter analysis Van Jones Greg Jarrett. Sarah. Carter, all you know all these Hannity people. Have Memorized Geraldo. What do you think about this Oh one? William actually I prefer Geraldo and Juan Williams to most of Hannity's regular guests serious oh. Yeah. Because for most interesting ones, they don't just say yes on uh-huh and let him in or they all let Sean in a row. But yeah, I mean I've come to appreciate Geraldo in one Williams on I. Appreciate I appreciate Geraldo to an extent because at least for all those like look you know I'm I'm Democrat but. There they've completely lost their minds. One Williams will defend literally anything that the Democrat Party does he's as bad as What's what's The girl who's she's often on five hundred zero now, not added over she cnn she and she's supposed to be a Republican strategist. Farro. Oh, forget her name off the top of my head anyway that you know like the one. Williams and this one woman I think she's of Jewish ancestry I've heard her say out loud on the show. They they. They will defend literally anything to democratic. Party does they're like they're like they're like the Liberal Sherpa an ironic all is then and so like literally there's nothing that the Democratic Party does that one William says, yeah, they've completely lost their minds. Well, that's why that's why I appreciate for presents on Fox because it's not just a giant echo chamber like CNN right on CNN when they when they say oh well, let's get a Republican Rick. Wilson. Yeah you Rick Wilson. Bill Kristol Christina Vara like you said like these our now Republican Strategist Talos the Republican side of it. It's like I agree with everything you said, I is a doctor we have to stop. Mine for President I mean it's it's really that's how ridiculous it's gotten over there and the thing is. 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I agree with Chris that a lot of it back when they had like it was like twenty people or ten people on a stage over two nights it just became so repetitive in like Beta I. Remember people made a joke when made joke of it when Jill I think he was like what Julian Castro Cory Booker and Or? Breaking into are speaking Spanish and. Mike all which debate that happened. Didn't happen and so. It was. The part that were funny. I? Mean I should've just waited for a highlights reel but this is my profession. You know I appreciate watching news and I was talking to Chris O. During Commercial. Yeah. I tune into CNN and MSNBC occasionally when my dad's place because he has cable just I get sick of just hearing Fox News all the time. And so this last debate before. Before the debate CNN reported as he said that burner that warrant alleges Bernie Sanders claim that a woman will never become president which I don't think that's something he would say like I'm not an expert on Bernie Sanders is character, but I mean I don't think. Anything's possible as I don't think that's something he would say and so they asked him that question they said, why did you say that or something along those lines and he gave his answer he didn't say it and then they asked before and she implies he did say it. So you have these two conflicting two conflicting viewpoints right and so now this is allegedly on a hot mic righteous was just accidentally picked up and accidentally leaked to CNN one like an. Elite they're wearing microphones, they know they're wearing microphone so and just real quick I. Just 'cause you're GonNa play the clip where they talked to each other off off when when the cameras supposed to not be running so. They actually did was so you know they say, oh well. said. We. We understand that you taught Elizabeth Warren and getting getting. Elected president. So how are you going to atone for your sexism here on your CNN live debate and he said, well, I say it and they turned right to Elizabeth. Warren said when Bernie Sanders told you that you could be president. Wow. Did you feel like they just they just accused of being a liar right there on thing now the truth no matter is I think that Bernie Sanders absolutely would say that Bernie Sanders and by the way not because Bernie Sanders is a quote unquote sexist it's because he thinks that America's a racist sexist country. Right, and that's what he should have said, he said, of course, I believe that I complaining about the racism and sexism of the United States all day every day it's the only thing that I could do to distract from the mathematical insanity of my economic policies and so you better believe that I called every man in this country, a sexist and a lot of the women to that's what he should have said instead he denied it he was lying go ahead go so I, suppose that's I. do suppose that that's a good point. So this is. This is backstage and tried to convince us or not is you know try to convince its viewers that was this was leaked to us I mean CNN was smart. They would've leaked it to some other network, right but anyway, let's let's continue. Son of a bitch dude wait a second. Oh, it is. Okay. Okay. All right. All right because. I'm sorry I've been unable to find the Lawrence. O'Donnell clip but. And it's just all been these like moon man robotic voice. which I don't know why anyone would care. No things get fucking views to I mean you know we know the shadow banning everybody tunes in for thirty seconds of it. Every radio host a country is looking for the clip right and they're all like click on twenty of these things before they're like all right go to have somebody from the DVR. So who do you think is so who I mean like if you could call it right now for the Democratic primary, who do you think will? Face off against trump. There's there's too much to be seen. The truth of the matter is Bernie. Sanders deserves it. Elizabeth Warren is going to lose because of that stunt. Bernie. Biden I can't imagine that Joe Biden keeps in it. The Joe Biden is so damaged if the Democrats don't do if the Democrats don't back down on the impeachment than hunter, Biden's GonNa get called is a witness. So you know he's damaged and what's scary more than anything honestly is Democrats know that Joe Biden was involved in some kind of bracket? Okay. They know it and this is what's Really troubled me about all this stuff more than anything. They know the media's lying and they thanked them for doing it. They know that Joe, Biden's a crook and they don't mind like this is what's going on in the minds of Democratic primary voters if we are to believe the polls okay. Now, that might not be the case by the way right so we could go ahead and find out. In, three weeks in Iowa and a few more right here in new. Hampshire that all of this polling is complete hocus pocus nonsense -ment to form rather than report on opinion and that clip actually was silent in our show. I don't know what it was like I've been having. Issues over the last three days and so I thought, it might have been my sound car but that's Nothing there I had to get that on the fly I'm sorry about that. Do you want the rest of it is just like trump in here? All. Right. So I I don't know what the fuck is going on if he's you you youtube. Ban Everyone with talent and you're left with nonsense like this. This is youtube ship take it to its ultimate logical conclusion. They're like this is not gonNA help the Democrat. Party we delete deleted and the only way you can get it uploaded is to put it up there without sounding. So that they're stupid artificial intelligence, does it go Hanadova? Teddy anti-defamation League. That is a very good point unless quick to here's one from CBS new got no. Okay I. got it. Bloomberg is GonNa Save US quick tape by Bloomberg. So Bloomberg Skin is money's worth visa whatever propaganda outlet and I I wonder I was. Here we go. All right. Sorry folks. teleprompter three here. And good evening this live from the democratic debate in Des Moines Iowa. This was the last time American. Hand Channel H. Together hearing them debate before the first votes are. Alright. So all right. So he didn't no. Audio to ask Christie and you're right. This is This is bringing up a very good point hilarious that yeah I mean youtube is absolutely totally fucked. And that's been if you type in. Let's use Jones, an exam or let's say no more news right just because he still has a youtube channel if you type in news and Adam Greenie as a good good anti-zionist stuff on there. If you type in his if you type, let's say like jared Kushner antichrist's or something you have a bunch of just regular mainstream media sources about Jared Kushner, a power behind the throne of trump and his, and then after like pay those those videos would have like less than ten thousand views right and then suddenly like after paid free, you get to the. Guys main video, which has one hundred thousand views, and it used to be that with INFO wars back when infowars channel you type in the name, I could type in be exact name be exact title of one of his videos and you would see Alex Jones Making Kelly Al Xyz. So this is insane. So I mean it did suck that we weren't. I wasn't able to play the clip but this goes on this show figured out at some point and like every hold the what they figured out a long time ago by the way and they were doing this. It's worse now but they were doing this years ago is that they figured out a long time ago that it is there's an advantage to not banning people. All you do is make sure that the other narrative comes first and so people take the path of least resistance and propaganda is just as effective and they are less apt to be accused of censorship after after Charlottesville and everybody started screaming no platform for Nazis whatever. More serious problem. Should I keep talking Well, we will continue on your that. I think prayer time what's going on and? Look towards Mecca. Lorient chanting on what which ways the Vatican rare anyways world little kids running away from obvious question authority don't go away. We'll be talking about. Will be really we'll be right back. Free Talk Live you GonNa do about it instead of sitting on my phone and. What are you GONNA do about I've stopped paying income tax by partner spent sixty days in jail for standing in the way of police car that was taking somebody to jail that he didn't believe should be taken to jail so done. Outreach, I've done all kinds of stuff. Do you need more I've run for political office I've gone to the State House and testified many times and I also do civil disobedience. What else can I do you know if it's pathetic? Really I mean what's What's warn the two of you your house not exactly. Because you you're pathetic. 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So now are continuing to finish off our discussion on the twenty twenty elections we talked about the Democrats. No real way of knowing who's going to face. Off against trump but So Chris are you still a plan trusting trump supporter? I was never plant trusting trump supporter. Okay. My thing from from before Donald Trump announced that he was running for President I thought that. Before I even got red billed immigration. I always thought that the United States. Was Not something that could stand permanently contiguous system of government. So you know I came to New Hampshire interested. Like inadequate capitalism but I thought a fine halfway point along would be to succeed. Doing Hampshire the united. States. It's still think that that's a great idea and so I I am now a little bit more ambitious like I think that maybe. New Hampshire Vermont. Maine would make make a find republic and you know as you know probably have to do a lot of deportations to do it but maybe we antics Newton Massachusetts. At some point whatever. But. I I don't believe that. The PRI. The United States presidency is ultimately a salvageable institution, and so what I think is that Donald Trump is. Obviously, not solving the problem I mean there's not really a whole lot of dispute about that. But I know. One thing is absolutely certain that if I said, I said on one thing where Donald after donald trump band bump stocks I said well, you know if Donald Trump decides fifteen to too dangerous to have I'm just going to have to this show Beta guy as I vote for him because you know the next Democrat Comfort pistols to and it's literally what it is. It's like the Democrats are not talking about yeah. Well, I, think that taxes should be two percent higher or lower did not talking about well, you know we should have you know. When they talk about universal background checks, they're saying things that are demonstrably false they like. Go buy a gun on the inter- I WANNA credit card. Like they're lying there like give us omnipotent political power in order to do things that are completely dinner completely nonsensical. Okay. Now, if Donald Trump says, hey, no more. Forever was we're GONNA we're. GonNa not be so interventionist. And he? Kills some Iranian second in command or whatever as opposed to. Whatever the fact that matter is Donald Trump is proof that the power structure in his country is not so simple as most of the electorate tends to think, and that means that we are not dealing with a situation where you can solve these problems electorally. Okay. But what you can do is let the people who are trying to figure out what's next now that does. What the general sensitive population is, and if the general sense of the population is we want Bernie Sanders to takeover and micromanage every aspect of the human condition. Well, I'll tell you what friend if. There's a point of view that I describes acceleration ISM where okay fine. Let Bernie Sanders destroy the country. Let's figure out what comes out of the ashes but I'll tell you what I saw what it looks like when order breaks down a couple years ago and I'm not hot on the idea. So if Donald Trump's screw things up a little bit slower than Elizabeth, Warren does then fantastic. Let's try to get some money in our pockets and start exercising power to try to. Gain a foothold in politics locally we don't have the political power to run a podcast that the powerful people don't want on the air. Okay. We don't have the political power to keep together a movement to people who purport to agree on the same things. So anybody who thinks I gotta go down to Richmond on Monday and start a revolution when you can't take care of the guys who are in prison now is out of their minds I need time we need time. and. We just not to not to catch up, we have a caller on the line. We have each tours on discord. Thank you for the call what's on your mind? Hey you know I'm just trying to it actually doesn't what Chris was saying is that So I live about An hour and a half for Richmond, and I was thinking about going down there until I saw the press. were saying that they'd arrested a bunch of white supremacists. Head of the rallies in. So it seems like everything that is going on down there in Richmond. Indicates that they're looking at creating a narrative before the event even happens. So I'm I'm a little bit worried. That what that I it when you look at it everything, they're say. That there are a bunch of Neo Nazis planning a rally when it's really a pro-gun rally. and. Then all the arrests that happened are about Neo Nazis. Well. Here's a friend. This is why I coined this catchphrase I like to say this sometimes maybe you've heard me say before keep on calling everybody a Nazi and eventually you'll be right. Okay. This is what they did. If anybody called a Nazi on August tenth two, thousand, seventeen, I consider that fighting words. Okay. I. Just stopped arguing with them after a while. Okay. Call it everybody a Nazi as far as they're concerned, a pro gun rally is a Nazi rally the whole point of it. Okay. This is what they this. Is. Why they say these things to people you know and with me just got sick of being like I just got sick of saying, I'm not a racist police don't hurt me and instead I started to say shut up 'n word on twitter until it got me fired you know what? What happened this is what they do to people. They say, okay. The things that you like our Nazi and then you say, no, I like those things that I'm not a Nazi and then they say you're right Nazi that's how it works. I appreciate. Every shape but I understand. Your average to make not the great again or whatever it is that you're going for. The real threat is You'd have a people that are trying to associate. Pro Gun rallies. So the people that lost their bump stocks in a hunting accident that was followed by fishing accident that was followed by I don't know where my bunk stop wearing with neo Nazism is is that I think that's where the so like Ralph northern is a purse, a despicable human who was caught in black face. Or black face or clan who knows what what it actually was just by the way his sins. Okay. So despicable human because he said, yeah, you give birth to a baby. We put it in a tub. We make sure it's comfortable until you decide if you want to dead, you know if I could say that a worse in wearing black face are Glenn Hood sometime in his sixties, but go ahead with your point. Geez you're starting to see a cut out there sounds like you're underwater I duNno. For something you could do if you're a phone call you probably. Know and my dad you're. Okay. Yeah. No. So a guy that advocates for infanticide is somehow the person who wants to take my guns like who the fuck is this guy. Well they go. Everything. These people do just the opposite of decency and then you wonder why they WanNa take your guns away Oh. Yeah. He wants to was I mean he has no qualms with harming or allowing harm to come to V literal defenseless in our society. So what the fuck did, you think he's going to do to you and this is the whole point. Okay. These people there's nothing there's no redeeming quality about the left and so what you eventually realize that you know what they are accusing you of is exactly what they're doing. They say that you'RE A. Racist. Well, it's because they're trying to exterminate. You're kind from the planet is literally what it is, and if you say I don't want you to exterminate Mike time from the planet. Well, you must believe in the fourteen words, you're trying to secure the existence of your people and a future for white children. That's not see. Well, that means that we're allowed to punch you, and by the way if you bring a gun to the State House to tell us not to take your guns away now you're a Nazi when I got and if we shoot you well, then that's fine. I don't know if you had to say but I have a question. So you say that it's from your point of view that it's just a regular regular rally everything that I was regular. You know Second Amendment, pro. Second Amendment Rally everything I've been seeing in the media even on like fucking Fox News and but right wing media is it makes it seem like this is going to be you know full of like gun nuts and racists, clan hoods and stuff. So like from your you know you live around there. What's What would you say is closer to the truth I mean I was thinking about going there but I'm going to stay forest fuck away from there because I feel like even if the demonstrations peaceful no does anything stupid. They're going to have agent provocateurs in there the same way they have in Hong Kong in. So all it takes I mean you saw in Charlottesville that people talking about the deadly rally in Charlottesville when it was really just some dumb fucks soy that ran over a girl after the rally in now it's like, oh no also also because a police didn't do her job i. think somewhere I read that the cop who was supposed to be on that street corner what was there and the police. 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No Long. Oh. Don't worry. We're going to be getting to that and we're GONNA be getting into cat boy nationalism or get a beginning into. It's going to be great. It's going to be great. Yeah. So anyway, just if you're going national if you're listening to. This is where overrun wish subversives I'd let me guess is it's No less is it no. Well, that's how over people spell it. I don't I don't I don't spell it. Go s go derek would be Elias. No I'd ever not gay stuff. This subversives did this people brag about what they've done infiltrating the nationalist movement right? You go until you pay attention to communist and they're like, yeah, I'm like a respected Neo Nazi and my other persona. Okay. This is what these people do. They're like, Hey, I got an idea I'm going to copy your name and then I'm going to say, Hey, guys I got an idea. Let's have based trannies and cat boy. Nationalism and you know, hey, guys are traps get inserts stupid. Nonsense narratives in here because they're they're era. Of An ethnic group with a high verbal IQ in so they can mimic are jokes well enough to get in and they start inserting stupid things into it I'm sorry. I've always VAT VAT group you're talking about has nothing to do with the story that I'm bringing up I. Assure you I mean unless you unless you go. Far into genetic history but most likely not. So you know I mean what we were talking about. What we were talking about before, and this is this is something I wanted to bring up towards the end here where we were talking about a certain of former F. T. L. host who lost her mind because. Forget forget me having you on. Your, the most frequent guest I've had on this show. Forget. Bad. But you know certain f. a former FDA host loss ver-. Mind when Ian had you on almost exactly a year ago. Now I think to back when you first started outlaw conservative and it's like what I've noticed that the people who call them progressives, these people who like to talk about how How loving they are and how Against hates that they hate you know we're so against hate they hate. and. It's like. Why do they hate you know I mean you've gotten a lot of hate and such and For I, mean some some of your views here here ago I have to do I wouldn't say disavow. Do find some of your views of things you've said. In. The past be absolutely reprehensible. I used to be a regular radical agenda listener until you had we've on an episode just turn you know turn me off entirely from the show, but that doesn't that doesn't give me or anyone else rather a license to treat you poorly or physically attacked you try and destroy your life, and so I mean I just find it like these people who talk I, I, write these people who talk about how you know. Love. All love is welcome here, and you know like love between like like a five year old and an adult is you know is fine but because you know you have ideas but they find morally reprehensible. It's okay to. It's okay to commit an Intifada. That's the word. In the Fatah against you and I like to. Many people listening right now I'd like to pose you question. Well, who else do you know that has absolutely morally reprehensible views but those views are okay within the mainstream at some point on Fox News it's okay to go. It was okay to go on there and basically advocate for genocide of all Muslims in the Middle East or on CNN. MSNBC always outlets where people brag they don't even deny why genocide. On TV and you can advocate for genocide and people will say well, disagree with what you say but defended a risk to say it people saying it right. The thing is that if you say things that have nothing at all to do with genocide but happen to actually threatened the power structure, you're accused to genocide and assaulted and framed for crimes and sued for nonsense Andy. Platform. That's the world that you live in. Let me I'd like to read you something real quick. Is Possible. This is I. Just recently listened to the Audio Book of Plato's The Republic. Now, anybody who has not read listened to that book, you can get through the book. If you put on one point four actually think he'd get through this in about four hours. It's worth the whole thing listening to but here's one that I thought was really telling they were. Talking about what is justice right and at some point in the dialogue, one of the characters says, well, I'm going to try to make the case for injustice I'm going to say that injustice is better. I don't actually believe this to be the case but I'm GonNa make the case and I want you to argue against me and here's how he does it. He says. Now if we ought to form a real judgment of the life of the just and unjust, we must isolate them. There is no other way and how is this isolation to be affected I answer let the unjust man. Unjust and let the just man be entirely just nothing is to be taken from. Them and both are to be perfectly furnished for the work of their respective lives. I. Let the unjust be like other distinguished masters of craft like the skilful pilot or a physician who knows intuitively his own powers and keeps within their limits and who if he fails at any point is able to recover himself. So. Let the unjust make his unjust attempts in the right way and lie hidden if he means to be great in his injustice, he who is found out after all nobody for the highest reach of injustice is to be deemed just. When you are not therefore I say that in the perfectly unjust man, we must assume the most perfect injustice there is to be no deduction, but we must allow him while doing the most unjust acts to have acquired the greatest reputation for justice. If we have taken a false step, he must be able to recover himself. He must be one who can speak with effect if his any of his deeds come to light and who can force his way where forces required his courage and strength and command of money and friends, and at his side, let us place the just man in his nobleness and simplicity wishing as. Says to be and not to seem good there must be no seeming for if he seemed to be good, he will be he will be honored and rewarded, and then we shall not know whether he is just for the sake of justice or for the sake of honors and rewards therefore let him be clothed injustice only and have no other covering and he must be imagined to be in a state of life. The opposite of the former let him be the best of men and let them be. The war thought the worst I'm sorry let him be the best of men and let him be thought the worst then he will have been put to the proof and we shall see whether he will be affected by the fear of infamy and its consequences, and let him continue us to the hour of his death being just seeming to be unjust when both have reached the other most extreme the one justice and the other of injustice let judgment begin which of them is the happier of the two. And that tells you everything you need to know about Social Justice Warriors. They are the worst people and the best people are their enemies. Okay. Now won't say. That second hang on a second I'm not saying that I'm the best people. Okay. It's not the implication that I mean to make. But I'm trying and that makes me somebody who has to be damned destroyed. I will not allow the disgusting things that they do and the things that they advocate should go unanswered and I will not allow them to intimidate me with threats of violence with spear campaigns with money with anything, Guy? Take. They say and I say you give me some more of that but you're still wrong and that's why they lose their minds over me. Very poignant very. Passionate and. I will agree that these people are like these. S J. W that just sounds like such a such a trope cliche word now but I mean like these people who think that they're the gift to grow God's Green Earth at various Luke skywalker fighting against the evil empire it's like these are people and. These people abuse drugs but not abuse and the right kind of drugs I. mean you know they're not because they're not taking. Or let's say I can't imagine any of these people having a productive mushroom trip or something like these people have never stopped and thought to themselves g maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you know maybe versus a reflection of me and the people that I hate and so it's it's like zealots zealotry I mean these people are like the new Nazis now and I think I think it was it was Reagan. Was Reagan who said that the new wave of fascism is going to come in and it was an actual quote I actually heard him say her say that. The new wave of fascism or you know like a scholar four therrien will come in the name of Anti Fascism and that's exactly what they're doing i. mean they talk about like Charlottesville people in the streets running around of torches and battle who else? Sounds torches, right because these people's mothers won't let them get the lighter fluid from the garage. Go out into the streets with baseball bats and clubs and go attack people they disagree with right who commits they say nineteen thirty South Street pros. What's actually fucking ANTIFA themselves ones they demonize a spread hate in is one of the least racist people I know and you have all these people just be Ian still lets you on his show or on his network say Ian. Is a number one purveyor of hatred and Nazism in Keane in the next incarnation of Hitler, and it just absolutely ridiculous. These people have been absolutely blinded by herself righteousness and that's exactly what it is. They are the most unjust people parading as the most just that's exactly what it is and anyway. So we're GonNa continue this discussion on the side we're going to be doing the. Twitter only live dot TV, slash eller, DOT FM TWITCH DOT TV slash dot fm our thanks ever so much for listening to stay tuned. We'll be back in a few minutes and we'll continue the final Chris Campbell. See their. The Free State project has reached its goal of thousand Liberty Lovers who've pledged to move to New Hampshire and get active to achieve liberty in our lifetime. 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So before we do anything about what you're doing now tell me a little bit about your journey to pay. Yes. So I'm the son of a preacher man my dad. Is Been in the ministry as long as I can remember. and. I've sort of just fallen into its speak went on I try to. Not, necessarily run the other way but do something else and sort of caught up to me know it's like you know. So this kind of what I do now is kind of what I know. I do. I do have I've always had strong faith in God. I, just never saw myself as ministerial type because you know. People of faith I guess spiritual leaders they kind of have type might minored square and. They stay home on Friday nights. Play scrabble with grandma as just going to do with wildlife you know. Don't knock scrabble man everybody loves scrabble look I take that back. Okay. Scrambled his crate and grandma's wonderful. Well to your point though you Kinda, it's like. Well, wait a minute look at this guy. He doesn't really look like a pastor and then on the other hand, you look like sort of a modern Jesus. So you're you're sorta doing a little everything over there. It's you know it's a work in progress. Did you on the way you said you did a little something before going into this even though you came from a family of faith I was the faith part always there or did you mean that you deviated from that too or did you just mean that sorta career wise or something I just sorta career-wise yeah. I was doing music. For about eight years and. So accused of doing that and things just work out the way I kind of wanted to work out as for went back to. Went back to the family farm so to speak, and so I'm just kind of a ministry now for the last. Gosh No, a last six years. So. If somebody said You SORTA lay out what your belief system is what would that be kind of broadly speaking? Yeah. So I'm I'm a confessional Christian That's what I'd say I'm. In the kind of the brand of Christianity that I'm over the stream that I flow in. It's more of a pentecostal. Christianity. Were the ones that I mean I've never handled a snake before but that's kind of what pentecostals for you know tambourine destroying pentecostals. We're the ones that when you go to our churches on the weekend. It's kind of like a rock concert. So we got lasers at week we kind of attract the younger crowd but our idea basically is that we have a a historic Orthodox confessional. Christian doctrine. So we believe that stuff that the church always believed. Week confess and we profess that above the we wrap it up. In sort of a modern in a modern vibe. Yeah do you get a lot of pushback on that sort of I've seen this in a few different versions where there's sort of belief that you just have to have the belief in the the Orthodoxy and the conservative look at religion, and then you bring in music bring in lasers you bring in bands and all sorts, other stuff and people a certain set of people think that that will erode the original message. Yeah. I think that's utter and total ridiculousness. Basically I mean look at Vatican's. in the Catholic, church is done like is having services in English some hell diminish the Catholic churches you know their their message. No, it doesn't so. Essentially what we're doing where where is they're just there For them, progress is translating the mass from Latin to. English. BERRA's we're doing exactly that we're translating the message but. Know the currency I think our generation is music and the arts, and so that's kind of how we communicate about language. Right so sorta speaking of music and the arts kind of put you on my radar is that Justin? Bieber is a member of the church I want you to get into any any specifics about anyone that goes to the church but what do you sense? Is happening with people of his age related to believe there does seem to be something going on you know comedies running these services now, and as you just said, it's sort of related to music and culture and something else. It's not what we think of when we just think of like the traditional religious perspective. One hundred percent. A people. You mentioned just. As far as I know, they had church upbringings. So there's a lung lot of people come up in the church. I know just the fact that. I went to I spoke at his home church in Canada. I'm actually Canadian I grew up forty five minutes from where he grew up. So I I know. I mean Elvis for crying out loud. Came up in the churches. It's not uncommon in the American story that people in the arts come up in church, and then they kind of leave the small town they go do big musical things so. But in terms of a return. On I mean, we saw even in Elvis's career, you know the only album neighbor WANNA granted for. Was For his Gospel Record. So there's something I think intrinsic to Americana And the church music. So it's a pretty common common theme why millennials an Jen's reconnecting with the church or connecting for the first time to fake. I think. Large part due to the failure in perhaps of of. Of Secularism it it doesn't work. And there's questions I think that that it's attempted to answer that it hasn't answered and that's why you'll even see guys like Sam Harris who have become spiritual not in any sort of doc sense. But an awareness that maybe there is something out there that aren't we connect to and soul and spirit cetera. So I think we have something to offer people. That is that is reasonable. In that is also experiential. So one of the things that I've been talking about on the show Alleles that I think a lot of the problems we're having is that we seem to be reaching the end of secularism, which I think is sort of what you're alluding to that. When you get to the end of pure secularism with nothing else outside of itself that everything's on the table again, and we don't know if men are men and women are women and were debating destroying. Passed in the name of some Utopian Future and the rest of it. Do you see that as just like the natural kind of outgrowth of what a what a purely secular society is? Yeah I think. Gosh getting into a huge history lesson. What I would call I think there's two types of of the two types of people in our churches right now gathers. What we might call leftists. As secular might be a secular might be a better term. But and then we have. For lack of a better term conservative was I can't stand the term but. But. Just using generalizations and what I think is happening society is that we epistemological crisis that's kind of what happened with what has happened because secularism. The idea essentially that material is the only thing that you can touch and we all live together in our material society. and let's forget about things that are not our material experts reality because those things will just divide us and he's kind of kind of works at first but then. It begins to hammer down everybody into just material people aren't just material in the world isn't just material is a lot more to it I'm data and so. We have this epistemology that's GonNa. Develop from secularism in that this. Is essentially like when you. We got rid of. A traditional authority which you know Tricia authorities like kings and. Priests Church and. Not, that they were. Commit like doing bad things and that they were there was reason for them to for us to be suspicious. We did away with it. It's sort of like now that we have no traditional authority, the self has become the locus of of everything like the where the locus of interpretation and so there's a great deal of pressure on people are know everything. That's why like in our culture we have yet you have to sell authenticate. You have the self help you need to build up the self and you need to be the best version of yourself because nobody up here is going to help you and you can't trust anybody. and. So what happens is that experience now becomes. Like it becomes the highest metric. In a world where there's no authorities that can be trusted. As. So in the church, we have people that are coming in and right. It's all about experiences. So that's I think we're we're you know borrow from James Lindsay that's a positional this demolished becomes. So massive we were dealing with churches right now. So it's like. You know people love the idea of Jesus but the the scriptures. So which so Christians we appeal to an External Authority we believe that. We believe things about reality that that. That are just there in compatible with most kids that are coming in like kids are coming in or going reality is my experience but Christianity going reality is what God says in the Scriptures, and so it's kind of it's in. It's very similar to that's why I think that Christianity will save Western civilization because we might be the last ones who believe in science, which would be hilarious. So, but just the idea that we believe that that truth exists externally I- imagined that at that religious fanatics believed that truth exists externally Dave right we believe in what we might call phenomena logical transcendence idea that a tree is you can't just call tree whatever you WANNA call tree. You know at three is real and if you WANNA go ahead and drive your car into that tree, you will experience phenomenal article transcended. You will experience that or rather why don't you live your life like there are things that exist side of you and for us. The way we appeal to to Christians we try to kind of try to convert them to Christianity because is this thing that's like we it's reasonable. We believe that truth is external. It's not all about you and your experiences. It's also about some things that you that God has said in his word and so morality isn't just whatever you want it to be or however you WANNA paint. This is it's God who created you? He has some opinions he's got it is what it is and so you need to. Zim Accent. So so it's an episcopal war that the churches in. 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Yet you gave me about five roads there that we could shoot off of. So I'M GONNA I'M GONNA try to come around to all of them are or get them. I will. I'll see if I could do it but I, you mentioned James Lindsay who I've had on the show of course who wrote the book with with Peter About how to have important conversations. One of the things that I'm sort of amazed by by the sort of James Lindsay Peterberg OJ in Michael Shurmur. The more I would say left leaning largely atheist crew is that many of them are suddenly going you know all those religious people we were screaming about they're not so bad and they're appearing onstage with religious people. There you know I don't know if you know but just about six or eight months ago. was on stage in front of fourteen, thousand students at Liberty University with Jerry follow junior right next to me and it was just absolutely incredible and sure we have some differences. We have some theological differences we have some. Spiritual differences and political differences but nobody cared everybody was thrilled. It was wonderful. But I'm curious what you think about that. The fact that some of the sort of main drivers of of secularism are suddenly looking at you guys basically and go and. You're a lot nicer than than that other crew over there. Right yeah I don't think it's just modern intersectional ISM that we're strange bedfellows I think we have a very similar demolished and that's why we actually argued Dave. You can't argue with people that you don't have the same this democracy with. We have the same epistemology as atheists like we we do have demands. Of of we diplomats of literature and we we come at things believing that there are external forces to feel the difference being that native would believe in in a strictly material universe but but material is super important to Christians as well, and the idea that truth lives externally is it's really important to us as well. So I think that yet that we find ourselves on the same aisle with respect to where this democracy and. You know this I mean Christians aren't perfect and you know we've slammed in our thousands and we've made some massive mistakes and one of my favorite quotes of a Christian theologian Saint. Augustine, who said that the church is a whore but she is my mother we're aware dame of the things that have happened in history that are stupid. There's a lot of people who've used the scripture to do some really stupid things. But yet we find ourselves now. Debating with people who have the same at the small jet, we can't have a conversation with you if you can define reality the way that I define reality and so to me once again, it's an epistemological factor. Do you sense young people that are that are showing up now? Sure. The Lights and the music is something and you're explaining sort of the end of secularism. So they feel that there's a whole there. But do you sense just like in the last couple of years maybe because of the culture war because of social media that the whole that they have seems to be way bigger than it's maybe not just spiritual, but it's also very community based. You know we got all of these tools and APPS, and we thought it was gonNA make us more connected and in many ways, social media made us antisocial and now people are trying to find community in oddly more traditional ways whether there's lasers are not. Proof right. Yeah absolutely. I remember there was a book written in the Nineties by guiding Putnam. Talked to title bowling alone and it sort of sociological book. At The erosion of community in America you know beginning with the Bowling Leagues, you know how like bumbling leagues were like they replaced Church for. My grandfather's generation and now it's gone. So there's definitely definitely a sociological factor I think that to be quite also the sociological factor may vary will be one of the biggest factors in the church were all we understand the value of community we believe the logically that were not made to be alone there was one thing in the garden. That was wrong. A lot of people think that in the emphasis story God Greece's garden and it's it's like the perfect paradise was not optimal for living and the one thing that was wrong was that Adam was alone and so you know he creates even Ed. So we're created four one another and we need one another desperately. So that's definitely a tentative our faith. In there's definitely still see a logical factor to church. And the giant I also believe that. There's There's this book written by Pulitzer Prize Winner I think his name is Ernest, Becker. The title of it was the denial of death and in his book he's naked and he started his looking at secularism encompass done in modernity. And he believes that laughing with the death of God. Society become sort of like. Okay. Well, now I I. I need somebody to validate my reality, the validate, my existence to see me because we need to be seen as human beings, and that's why we need relationship and so he believed that the first option that modern stride was the love option. In that and that's why everybody having the one finding the one like. A, three hundred years ago like Love wasn't the reason why you got married you know like but now we put all this emphasis. That's why we have apocalyptic hookup culture. You know in New York because we're all trying to find God. And for somebody to validate your your living. So to me that's what. Are you saying God's not on tender? Is that what you're telling me Oh, he's definitely on tender. He steadily searching for people. He's going after the the ease left the ninety nine and going up to the one. So I think that I. Think that what you said is absolutely right in a roundabout way I. think that you know we're we're looking for love we're looking for romance. And I think you know in a in a strange way, we do find it in community we find that validation that we need. But but in a in a more spiritual sense state yet we found we find it in God in that he and that's what I believe. That's what we teach. We teach the gods who sees you. He's the one who. Goes after us, you're not the one who's been going after him, but he's been the one that's been pursuing because he knows you he knows that against you and he loves you and for so when people sort of that settles them. This a lot of things in their life change at. The community. Is is definitely one of. Since I've been working from home I found that even more important to spend some time. Every day if you have to I suggest writing Rad, power bike, ride our bikes make it so easy to put your kids on the back and take them out for a spin. 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So, as we've watched this culture war, just like explode all over the place I know that all sorts of churches temples. Virtually every organization secular or not is dealing with some of like internal split over how to deal with everything that's happening these days literally from Corona virus to black lives matter and everything in between. What. What version of that? Are you seeing these days? Yeah There's definitely a political. Part of everything do this is insane. It's insane. I keep on telling my friends is. That all your French. Going what what is happening in twenty. Twenty. For there's a there's a there's a conversation in the church right now politically about. The threshold of The threshold of religious liberty versus you know government. Needing to. Keep a tabs in a lid on kron virus, and so we're kind of exploring that threshold. You. Got People who It that absolutely fine falls along ideological lines right. So there's there's seems like there's two types of Americans are ones that want to a big. They have a huge trust in the government, my wife. Is One of my wife is Australian Canadian but my wife is like she trusts the government she's just like they are. You know they love us and I want to be she told me I wanted to nannied. Why God? Have you worked with all of that? Totally. So, there you got my wife Jasmine and then you've got me and I'm like the most distrusting. A person of government because yeah I, you know like. They were these angels the old argument who are these angels that are GonNa make all these right decisions for us. That's a huge conversation, the church and data alone Dave was tearing US apart. Like you got pastors that passers people calling up people in the in the faith community just being like he's trust the government authorities from God and then and. Then now you have or. George Lloyd's Jaffe which was horrific and tragic. and. Have Black lives. Matter. The organization that's kind of occupied some space. In. The George Floyd killing Ahmad Armory. Because it looks. It looks. From social media that young black men are being hunted down killed. so So? Yeah. You have this major space and it's is another thing that's kind of dividing us right now it's just like the narrative to believe and and what we ought to do about it and. Regardless of if you if you believe the narrative or not. You Know Christians are called to born with those who more than we put those who we. So. Finding that threshold of going the, I might not agree with the political narrative. But I'm called to to stand alongside. People who are in my life that regardless of whether or not not whether or not believe that they are their emotions are rooted in any kind of reality I'm arguing from A. Conservative. You know like I have a responsibility towards them to love them. You know like my wife is terrified of airplanes. It's not rooted in anything logical all. But I'm the one that stuck holding the bag and comforting her getting Zanex when we're on a flight, you know. So there's some elements of that. If you're a conservative of that, you have a responsibility towards the people that you're in community with that, you're living life within you know Quoting stats at my wife doesn't help reflecting society. Like right. So finding how? Yeah, how worried are you? Though letting in this sort of different what? I would call of religious belief system. So justice that once it enters the institution enters the church that in many ways it will just. It will rot from the inside all of the good things that you've been talking I mean this what we've sort of seen happen to every secular institution. It's happening to the New York Times. It's happening to the Washington Post. It's happening to Harvard, and Princeton and all of our liberal institutions. So I'm sort of fascinated where with this idea that it could be entering. Sort of conservative or religious institutions and that they may not even have the correct defense mechanisms to purge it or keep it at. That's exactly what's happening. So it's not necessarily. So for me I've tried to dance this line were like. The idea of black lives matter is like it's an idea it's a saying I've I've sort of divorced from the organization. Don't like that but I'm divorced from the organization because the black lives do matter and so if there are instances of where. You know there's police brutality that doesn't seem to fit the resume as we examined the data. That's one of the big ones that we know that the. Harvard rollins. Is Paper and we know that the study that was done. Heather McDonald obviously leases all out, but one of the things that I have a giant question mark over is the police brutality part I know if we're nailing that, you know well, and so let's say that you're like me you're going okay that the shooting part you know there's there's no racial bias that's been detected by three major studies. But police brutality. You have a question on that like why or thirty percent of blacks being Accused of resisting arrest or they is out what's happening or the police Being. Antagonistic. Towards or whatever. So so let's let's just say for example that there is some antagonism it needs to be doubt back. So, I stand with brother who feels he's he's terrified. And he's he's like you know like I just. Came in lives matter. Okay. I'm with black blacklist like I'll say that now the organization. They believe the socialization of the family, which is doing nobody a service particularly black community in America, right so So. So for me. Obviously, I have some fatter theological concerns to. FRY. But I'm walking this line where a community with with with with my black brothers and sisters and so. So for me like once again I. I have a concern about critical theory critic this whole this happening right now I believe is a Trojan horse I believe that. that. James Lindsay in how he described it as a Trojan horses he's exactly right on it's coming into our churches. Do the division that it's causing right now is insane because like you said, it's another gospel it's another religion it's like. A because once again, they have their own epistemology, the way they discover truth. Is is from positional standpoint. So so how do I respond to that? It's it's it's it's also possible death, but I have to show rational compassion empathy. Because, empathy. Is. As as we've seen. The last ten years in psychology is dangerous and your buys amended empathy after have what's called rational passion. So I have to reasonably move through the data moves through the things that are happening using Mike Christian worldview and framed and framework my piss demolishing. You know and don't event as I'm checking these movements. Demands Right everything has demand we demand that. You overhaul. A James says, you know you can't tear down the master's House masters tools. So we had to completely change how we structure. Not, not, just the way we structure our church organization. But also demanded that like. The way that you go about finding truth changes as well and so at that point For me, I'm not gonNA, fight peripherals like in any good argument you always argue first principles. You don't argue peripherals so for me when it comes to the black lives matter movement. When it comes to things that are happening on the streets of the protests, etc I'm. Not GonNa. There are some things I. think that peripheral NS conservative. We get a little bit sidetracked by and so to me the critical theory thing this is why I think James Lindsay. Is just. So on the money right now is because it's the you go after the fruit you go after the root and to me critical series the root of this giant problem is is the reason why the political narrative has been on the way it is and so to me that's that's what I'm going after while holding the hand of people that are hurting. Yeah I mean it's almost impossible a place to put yourself because you're trying to hold something you're trying to be open you're trying to retain ideas and also not put people down. It's tough. What do you make of this idea? So you hit on that that critical theory Cultural Marxism whatever you want to call this thing that it's religious in nature. One of the one of the facets that constantly amazed by is there's no forgiveness in this thing that. If you're white or SIS gendered or you're Christian or whatever you're privileged and thus bad and that really you just have to pay penance your whole life you have to live on your knees your whole life where most religions have some level of forgiveness right? You can actually atone for your sins and hopefully be a better person on the other side. This thing doesn't have that this thing has oh, well, live like a slave forever in effect. One hundred percent so. So in in critical theory, you're sort of Bill De. Before proven innocent. So, everybody's guilty. And as James Lindsay. As observed in in his findings. All the critical purists believe essentially that if you even even for example, by WanNa be somebody accused me of problematic al yesterday undefeated. But. That's the whole point. The whole point is that I can never be. Truly an ally. Ally, ship is always going to be problematic. You know like. So there's no, there's no they're still to it. It just continues. To be. What it is so Yeah they they don't forgive because there's nothing to forgive because I'm stuck in unstuck in the oppressor group. If I'm stuck in the oppressor group and there's no escaping it there can be no forgiveness. There's no repentance. Right? Like isn't that how it works so that I'm just perpetually a center at I'm just going to continue to perpetuate the oppressor group and there's nothing that I can do. Yeah. So that's why of course canceled culture is actually the logical conclusion of critical theory. Right is the logical conclusion that to be consistent logically they have to. Be Consistent in their canceled culture because they have to get rid of the oppressor close. I hate to tell you I think it's beheadings is the logical conclusion canceled just canceled culture is just to on the way, but we could sort of. Just for for you personally dealing with this. The idea that everything's become political and in many ways I, think people used to go to have religious experiences regardless of the religion they would go there to escape politics that that religion sort of offered them that you know that separation from the real world to. Timeless something like that. To see it all seeping just for you as a leader of a community has that been on you? So. So so one of the things that I do. In my roles, I traveled to to a number of churches I don't. I'm not the lead pastor. In Enron unity but I go to all of the different communities and I speak at number churches in. So what is it? What is it like while? People are. People. Don't. Get Church is supposed to be place where they like here about the love of God for them when they hear about the sacrifice. And they re a remember the Lord's. Passion etc, and so it's kind of become in some circles some churches. The Gospel has totally become about current events. the I think that's definitely problematic You know I it. It definitely become problematic where where in Christianity we teach essentially that everybody's a priest. In fact The process reformation happened. Because one of you know Martin Luther Ninety, five problems with the church was that you have a priest to connect with God and the New Testament is replete with scripts of the priesthood of the believer. And so what this necessarily means for Protestants like me is that at every believer is supposedly coming to church to be appraise what you'd literally as you come to a priest, do the Lord, they measured others. When you come to church. And it's a lesson on critical theory. You. Know there's there's no escape. I think that people aren't able to do their job as a Christian I, think that that is really tough to glorify God to worship God what it's like. You're you're in a perpetual classroom. There's just down fusion. I think one of my biggest frustrations me that I don't think that a lot of church leaders have their pulse on this epistemological issue. So it's just it's washing Hashers are good people they love. and. So from that good place, go love people it. Probably we need to talk about this because this is a real big. This is this is this is where the rubber hits the road. But. problematically, if you're not a pulse on culture and understand the undercurrents logically. You're creating a lot of confusion for people steps absolutely what's happening? Do you think certain religious denominations and certain sex within religions are just better at keeping some of this stuff at bay. So it seems to me it's not perfect. But like something like Orthodox Jews let's say have really kept at bay in a way that conservative or reform Jews haven't been able to or evangelical. Pretty good job at keeping IT A. Do you think that there are certain strengths and weaknesses from a Protestant perspective or or another denomination perspective that make certain worldviews a little more able to stand up to these things absolutely. So it's a focus. It's a focus on on their purpose like why does or White Orthodox Jews exist right like they know why? And He breakdown sometimes to the way they dress like they're in this world, but they're not of this world sort of his Jesus said. And so I think that that they do a great job. Of like focusing on their community and focusing on the reasons why they exist. So. There's a there's definitely a bounce to be sort was when I, look at Jesus and. Once again, this is an epistemological issue. But when I look at Jesus I don't look at somebody who was necessarily engaged the politics of the day I. Think Jesus said my kingdoms not of this world is so he had a little bit of I'm in the world. But not of it. Does that mean that we don't engage in issues of justice no doesn't mean that we don't. I think that marching with Martin Luther King. Was the right thing to do. during the civil rights and and You know I think the defeating Hitler was probably a good thing to do you know like so there's there's I think that the church doesn't. Run from things, but it's it's finding it sifting through the things that we should engage of house engaged in the threshold for that. It's a conversation that we're having right now and. Yeah. Evangelical is probably have done a really great job because evangelical are a bit more heady pentecostals were probably did we lean a bit were experiential? and so I'M A. I wish that were more likely than juggles in. In that they. They did they heather their album muller? You know He's the president of the Southern Baptist Convention a set out. He sent out a letter on critical theory, all the passers, guys, this is what's happening like. The pentecostals is a bit of the Wild Wild West in Christianity. I don't know if you knew this, but we've only been around for one hundred, twenty years and we. Seven hundred fifty million of us and with fast-growing version of Christianity, in the world we're. GonNa. We're GONNA CLIPS CATHOLICISM IN FIFTY years. So. So, hard brand of Christianity in terms of filling state idioms, people singing our song all this stuff. It's it's it's a big place in it's like it is the battleground. For Christian expression and that finding threshold of where all are what Christianity is GonNa look like a Cetera. So pentecostal, still we don't have. We don't have like a a a grand poobah like an album bowler or like Jerry Fowler whatever who Could of Dictates to us or will tell us hey, guys, this is what's come. We're we're very, very much independent. So Because of that is the nature of that and because we're so experiential end because we're so kind of up on the culture. It's a mess right now but nobody knows what to believe but we know that people are hurting and so we're going to run towards people because we're experiential people have experiences. So we're going to love the but that the rational part of our compassion seems to be a bit missing and were unawares to what is really inside the Strossen ores. Well. That's why exactly why I wanted to have this conversation because I just see this happening across the board I'm fascinated when I see it in communities that I'm not necessarily part of it's incredible. So when you see things like you're in California to our wonderful Progressive Governor Gavin newsom. Basically telling people that they can't sing in church back in spread. Of covid and then you know our mayor here in La Garcetti is out there with no mask on kneeling in front of protesters and then also tells us we can't have fourth of July celebrations or you know we gotta stay in our house all of these crazed conflicting messages. Do you think that also is just a driver for religion like it seems like they're. Specifically attacking religion at some level right? You See de Blasio, locking up play grounds for Orthodox Jews to kids to go to. But then he's out there in the streets with protesters that there seems to be like an actual salt on religion and then at the same time, it's like everything they send us is mixed messages. So it's like maybe that's a little paranoid. Yet. No, I think that you're right it. Feel, like it's been open season on Jews for. Some time now. And I think that that's definitely there's a that falls along a particular political I'll. whether we care to admit it or not. with respect to Christians and houses of worship. Yeah like we Americans believe in. Peaceful Assembly and the right to assemble. And know freedom of religion and so there's once again you know there's exploring that threshold of who you can tell to. Gather, for example like. A popular passenger California Jensen Franklin. made a statement about this on social media three days ago and like all hell broke loose in pentecostal Christendom. and. was just like, Hey, like I feel like this is a bit arbitrary. And the telling churches that we can be Jensen March with protesters and he goes look I march. So I I was there in what I'm saying though is I think it's arbitrary to allow the protests and not allow people to Church. And it's just it's a power seems seems rational to me that seems sensible. Hundred by you're saying everyone operates in people screaming right like so like if you can scream in a mask, right besides somebody. or You could stay mass people about droplets yet hundred percent but that's what people are screaming. So it's like. So I just think that the concern of covid nineteen. In some ways is like a little bit. It's. I have thirty friends who've had Gobert nineteen. Right, like you have a ninety eight point, eight percent chance of surviving this thing if you're under the age of forty. Ace alike, but it's it. All seems to be young people. Young Progressives who are screaming, Jensen? Jim. Christian progressives going you know how dare you bring the protesters into the I'm not I marched don't see this a bit arbitrary. Then, he said he said, you know make sure that you vote your face this. This fall. And that was the straw that broke. The camel's back was just like You tell us devote now who to vote for. I don't know this it's it's a mess and. But I think that. Once again I think it doesn't fall along necessary faith lines fall along ideological lines in terms of what type of government. You. Want. Do you want a government that is overreaching? Or do you want a government who is going to allow churches and allow people to do what they WANNA do. As far as I know they've. been every single high court has ruled that the governor's over churches has been on constitutional is that correct? I don't know if it's every single one but I've seen several of them. Yeah. They're acne. Look, we have fourth amendment. We have the right to assemble. So the idea that newsom saying you can't do it in church, but you can do it on the streets. Simply. Not Constitutional. Yeah. So I think that I think that this type of stuff will galvanize. Galvanize a particular brand. Christian Christians. But. Once again, Pentecostal Ism you know our allergy is has already been experiencing positional. Our church definitely a split right down the line in terms of. How people will vote how people see like like my wife, my wife wants to be nannied. God bless her. I don't. Sell. You see that we have some serious I'm married to her so like we have some serious We have some fish to FRY. All right. Then I I only got one more for you because we've we've talked about sort of strife and everything. That's got us here and everything else. But as a man of faith in a in a crazy time that we're in give me something hopeful if you got it sort of a an outlook that gets us pass this and how do we get to something that will feeling a little more maybe well, maybe feeling isn't the right word that will create a reality that will be a little more in line with some of the things that we've talked about here. That are the good did. So I think that there are only. Christians believe that Jesus is GonNa. Come back and he is going to rule it right on the earth forever. That's that's what we believe. So, until that happens. I think that there's going to continue to be chaos. Now God has given us. We believe in the doctrine called common grace where we believe that God has given many faculty. And Reason. And I believe that one of the ways that we could limit. The effects of the fall and the effects of sin and the effects of goodness is by limited government. So Like, what is what is the hope or thanks to maybe get better ultimately The. Return of Christ in the Gospel you know that God that God will heal the world and would he heals the world than he becomes president? There's no more elections is his government will be so good that it'll be caused for praise eternally. Until that happens. I think that limiting people's ability. Is Probably British hope. So yeah, I. I don't think that the scriptures necessarily paint some sort of Utopian utilised bring the down to Earth right now before Jesus comes back in. This the scriptures redemptive necessarily that way in terms of things are gonna get better things probably will get worse. Just be just knowing humanity humanity. Savior the world is broken. And I think that we can all agree about that but I don't think the fix is more people. Fix Is Jesus Christ he always has been. and. I think that. When he comes back and he's king will be okay and I think that's actually great. Hope like here's here's some hope you're hoping. Jesus. But you're hoping somebody who? Who's WHO's rulership and his kingdom? will be good for everybody. So that's those are my. That's my two thoughts. Are you took us out on some hope now in good conscience, I can't send people to twitter after a conversation like this, where can people go to find out a little bit more about you and what you do? They can go to my instagram Nathan Finocchio. Or? My website Nathan Okeyo DOT CA is a Canadian. and. You know they can hate on me, and if they have any issues if any problems with this program senate, email the Dave Rubin Jamile. I don't have that g mail. So yes, they can send you their. Pleasure talking to you, and hopefully when all this stuff clears up, we'll be able to do this in person sometime. Days. Thank you. In the small town of Elmira new. York. A boy was born into an all American family. 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So to start things out here, let's get caught up on sturgis. We discussed this to a great extent last night on the show and capping kick ass. You reminded me this evening that you actually lived in Sturgis for some amount of time. I did a little over year ish maybe year and a half. We talked last night about how the massive biker events that they have there that essentially the town exists for almost point. I. Think they named themselves. Something, related to what's the? Riders town or something like that. The city of writers ask something along those lines and it's a massive massive event where they're expecting quarter of a million people to converge this weekend, which is next for that event. I've heard half a million it's pretty tape head over seven hundred thousand. Wow. At this kind of thing, and it is literally the lifeblood of that town. Yeah. sturgis has no real industry. It has no real any key I mean it's a tiny town, a literally the CODA rural town and South Dakota population seven thousand or something like that. It is not big at all. I would be surprised if the the city or the areas whatever you, WanNa, call it the gross domestic product or whatever their their major things is anything but farming right? Right. You know maybe tourism, right? I. Mean now because of the sturgis thing. But yeah, that thing is is the lifeblood and I know you guys talked a bit about like what the businesses do and what the community does. I'll tell you what the community does it bring so much money in that the community literally rents out their yards. For camping. Yes. Well, that's what we were asking on the air last night was like there's got to be a lot of camping going on because there's no way. There's enough hotels and a bunch of this stuff goes agress style, right so that means that you don't have to get a license or anything like that. You just put a sign in the yard. It'd be like camping fifteen bucks whatever right right and then how much space you have in your yard or if you just want to offer parking. Lot of these bikers will tow their bikes. You know behind like an RV or a truck or something right only ride the last few miles. To town but they have these big vehicles to park places somewhere to park them. there aren't very many hotels or tells at all. So in all campground based and they're all right I, don't even know how many campgrounds you take rogers campground multiply that by like a dozen. Yeah. There's a dozen of those in the each have their own festivals i. Bet It's a big party at every single one of those campgrounds around the clock. It's a huge party. When I did live there. There was a bank robbery. We'll all of before you go on bet that goes back to another conversation. We were having last night about. Chris was asking are there Of this rally and I'm like well, yeah the rally probably has a group organizing something but there's GonNa be things going on that are self organized all over the town and that's what you're talking about. Absolutely. Yes absolutely. That's what I was saying. They can't stop this from happening now and like the government might even like say, Oh, this might be a Bad idea a covert covid Blah Blah Blah. Yeah. The people aren't going to allow that to happen. That is their livelihood. They get one shot for about four to five weeks per year to make some coin on top of whatever else it is that you know they might be doing for jobs and that kind of thing it's not a very wealthy area. Per capita as far as that's concerned. So this is kind of the the thing that keeps that time. It's their mark on the map. Absolutely. You know what they're about. There's only been two years. The somebody told me to name some South Dakota towns. sturgis would be one of them right like and I wouldn't be able to think of very many others. Rapid City is one of them. Remember the Spearfish Canyon is the camera near there. deadwood show named after that deadwood was a cool city because it was basically modeled after an old west town, but gambling was legal. and. So they had the Strip and now what you could do is you could do the deadwood shuffle and so what that meant is all of these. would. Stagger. Closer to reality. Yes. These. Casinos would have people standing outside going hey, come on in have a free drink on hand you a free drink ticket. The idea is to just come in. And Yeah. You just hit every way way down and everyone on the one on the way back expecting like the eighteen hundreds or something no, we're talking probably one, thousand, nine, hundred, nine did they outlaw gambling since then or is it still legal in deadwood on pretty sure. It's still legal. That's awesome. I had no idea. Yeah. So cool. So like when you go to Sturgis, you can do all the fun stuff. You can all the campgrounds, other bands and see all the they'll have a stunt bikes they'll have all sorts of different motorcycle theme. Contests in that kind of thing but you can also just Mosey on down the road ten minutes to deadwood. Let's that close yeah it's not far. Oh all right. It might be for the ten minutes but I mean it'd be like driving from here to Walpole. So is gambling legal statewide or is believe. So I think it's limited to deadwood at least when I was there it seemed that that was the case outside of the reservations. So early reports, this is apparently a ten day long festival. Yes. Like it's more than a week, right? Like we can half I. There's a lead up to it as well. So it Kinda starts before the actual start date fast, and it Kinda doesn't end at the official end date like you got two, hundred, fifty, thousand people they're going to leave when they want to leave. And that's what you know. It's an interesting experiment here because there just hasn't been a whole lot going on in two thousand twenty it sounds to me like this two, hundred, fifty, thousand expected maybe they'll get more maybe we'll get less I don't know. But this not very many of them will be over seventy though this has got to be the biggest event. Happening in the United States the entire year. Yeah. That would be probably an accurate assumption. So Kudos to them for continuing with this and initial reports are that as expected the bikers are as bad as as always in there just hanging out and having a good time and no one's wearing masks. Yeah the a lot of the the bikers, the clubs, particularly, the outlaws, style clubs, right? The ones with the the names you've heard in the news. Bad. You'RE GONNA biker mood there without now. Sorry. I did hang around bikers for for a period of time in my life. I mean they're really nice people and they're all about honor and respect and all that but man don't cross do. And they also are big people about her about honor and respect you don't cross. That idea? Yeah. so at any rate. Good Times or had it's largely. A lot of the business that's conducted. There is very aggr- style like Tattoo artists will just show up. Right. They won't have rented a space and officially purchased a place to you know, and they'll just wander around town they assign. Around their neck. I. Give Tattoos Right. You don't have a rare pack where would they do on the side of the road where your RV? Motel Room you know. That kind of thing I mean I see all that kind of stuff. Yeah. These are people who are not that concerned with safety, which is through the kind of crowd that I can really appreciate especially in in this insane world that we're in right now where everyone seems to be so concerned at least publicly at least with the aisle, you've got to be safe be. Saved everybody be safe. Safety is the most important priority and it's like, no. If you WANNA actually enjoy your life, you've gotta take risks. If you WANNA get ahead in life, you gotta take risks. If you WanNa, have fun you got to take risks well, likely this will this many people we're talking about what's what were the numbers they're expecting at least a quarter million Low that's low for the event. That's what I thought. You were saying quote with a quarter million people it's very likely. You'll have some kind of super spreader event going on but. So. They're doing it. The vast majority of people are going to be under the danger age, which is like fifty, four, sixty four you decide somewhere in there, and in which case as long as they don't go back in French kiss grandma or whatever spread spread the virus in inside their homes, it's not that big of a deal where Waikele. It's not even that big of a deal at all anyway even four older people because unless you're already deathly ill with some problem, some kind of horrible malady. You're still likely to survive this thing. So I don't think that anybody should really be worried about it but yet people are just worried all over the place about this ridiculous nonsense and so Kudos to the bikers for win doing their thing was that the wind sound I want some you are always a winner. Here, on Free Talk Live. You win customer of the night four, fifty free on the night over yet. eight, fifty, five, four, hundred, fifty, free. 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Why would you believe trump's numbers? Believe I don't believe trump is a real person really think he's like an alien. No computer. Green. Okay why would you believe his numbers about covert? It's coming from his administration. Got leaker. I'm trying to be careful. Are you? Okay how many people are in your family or your friends have come down with Cova? You know personally. Gone I don't know of any. Daft doesn't mean anything. Finding. It does. I think it means that it's not a pandemic I think that if you are not actually experiencing people coming down with and dying from some terrible malady that it's it's laughable to call it a pandemic if the only place that exists. Here. You're talking about. Oh. Well, I was just asking you questions about whether or not. You'd experience said that you didn't think that it counted as a pandemic. People don't know somebody who's gotten it in are dying. Yeah. I think pandemic is supposed to be widespread and I understand that someone would argue that it's widespread because it's available in a lot of places but it's barely there a lot of places. It's certainly not actually causing any significant numbers of deaths. Even if you go with the government's own overblown bloated fake numbers, it's still not a lot of people who are dying your blood overblown. Because they will call anything Cova death and they test people for Kobe who don't have covid, they tested a pineapple or whatever it was or Papaya and that had covid. They says there's somebody in Florida that was A. Gunshot to the head that was called the Cova? Yes. Yeah. So you know. I don't know how close these are not going to say. Look at the numbers and presume that the number correct because that's what they're saying I I'm not gonNA say it doesn't exist but to shut down the economy overall these I don't think it was worth shutting the economy to to destroy lives. The single biggest killer of people having to do with Kovic was when a democratic. Governor forced nursing homes to take covid pasta patients that was in New York. I think where they now have checkpoints set up in New York City starting as of this Wednesday Jerome I was wanting to ask you about this biden quote because it's so awesome unlike the African. Court for trump to. Okay. I. I think trump trump is widely considered a big it to start with what baffles me is why black Americans would vote for Joe Biden? I just don't get it but let me give you a I I. Love misquoting. So awesome. Like the African American public. I'm not well. I. Guess you're. Yeah, I think I at this point? Yes. I am a registered Republican, right unlike the African American community with notable exceptions the Latino community is an incredibly diverse community with incredibly different attitudes about different things. So he said all at the same how do you like that? Hey. You Know Boulder Dash. Talk and all kinds of. I know. Yeah. But bring up to one trump says. Dear rappers mirrors and some I assume you. Understand social. Drew you have to understand that just because mark is bringing up a biden quote doesn't mean he's trying to advocate for trump I won't be voting for. No I'm not voting for a crooked barber. Go over Ted Cruz now he's going to vote for Jones. The Guy. WHO'S GONNA keep switching out the didn't hear your. Talk Alternate First Lady. Lizzie Graham. Johnson. It's a woman do you know who that is Dr Own? Maybe you need to do some research because she's going to be likely on your beyond your ballot get on Google Earth Jerome have you ever heard of the Libertarian Party I have no time to waste also fraudulent party so you'd rather vote for. You're the same as every other. said, he has no town on a fraudulent party, but yet he's a democrat. I'm sure are Spanish people go over. Bright. I don't there's only. Everybody's and Plenty of them, everyone is an individual and they will do what they WANNA do. That's where Biden is wrong. Right or wrong for voting for the candidates they do I just ask questions as to why? Because this guy from going after. Spanich, right. Yeah. I believe he's He's Up there or yeah, he's great. He's A. Great Guy. and. Go to be front of. Yeah Right. That makes sense to write about. I look I I. Don't know what to say. So you don't you can't defend Biden and you can only attack trump right. Because I know, hey, he's are loose. He's got loose lips or write these kind of problems. What is he telling the truth? Is that what he really thought or was he just did he just screw that up so how come? It's Ok for night into have loose lips but not trump wait a minute when you say loose lips does that mean that he said something that he really believes but he shouldn't have said out loud or that he just made a huge gaffe and he didn't mean to say that at all and he doesn't actually believe that all black people are identically the same as far as their beliefs are concerned largely the same. Mark. A. Great. Era. Are Right, well, okay he's not he's not the candidate we all know that, but neither shock funding gene ended up in the White House your anything can happen Jerome Thank you for the call tonight. Ended up in the White House to I just wanted to say the WHO World, Health Organization says studies put coronavirus -delity ab point six percent. And orders from W. H. O.. Probably the number. That's. Covert. Not even not the request. Six percent with. Only six of those who catch it, right okay. You're looking at pictures of people at sturgis. 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Already like beggars of course, they should like people should just you know live their lives and not be living in fear and just constantly under this dark cloud of bad things might happen. You gotta be safe and all this safety mentality bad things might happen and things will happen some point. You have always been able to choose safety and. You can choose the illusion of safety. You can have more safety or less safety accidents happened in the home. I understand that but that's because people are spending a lotta time there. Yeah. Well, that's what they're doing partying and having a good time is a fundamental piece of life. Yep GotTa have entertainment. Nation stir crazy right now right and people are dealing with that in a variety of different ways and most of them are. Social. I'M GONNA, go back to your phone calls though and thoughts, but I definitely gonNA. 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I I'm a transplant I work my whole life live my whole life in an awful State Club in Jersey. And I retired because not because I, wanted to move. After, living in my house for fifty years but when I moved i. I gotTA race. I always tell my friends from home who are following me down. South. I gotTA raise the twenty four thousand dollars. Combined property tax income tax. State tax let me tell you another one. Car Insurance. I said I got I had an old certified pre-owned conduct paying two hundred and seventy eight dollars a month. Okay to be insured. Good company I moved down here and I got a quote for a brand new Mitsubishi like the giant one. Eighty three dollars a month. uncomfortable. I relocated from the the West Coast Seattle Washington to Keene, New Hampshire. And I was. Able to keep the same job. So like my. Definitely got a raise as a result of the geographic arbitrage but no doubt if you go down South property taxes are lower there's no doubt about it up here in New Hampshire there's no sales tax, but you only so much plastic crap at Walmart anyway. Very upbeat I I called because I heard the guys south. Carolina like rant and rave and foaming at the Mouth Joke Jerome. And I must comment on drone. Please they. Anybody. Okay. I'm retired schoolteacher but I'm not I was a schoolteacher everybody liked and all the other teachers hated yet. Like I believe I believe kids. And because I know how many idiots became schoolteachers when I was a kid. And that's why I became schoolteacher because I know a bunch of idiots become schoolteachers because they wanna feel power in one room close the door and have lordship over thirty souls. So I said, you know what? The world needs some to go in there and tell these kids getting hope. These teacher you think are idiots they really are because they can't make it in the real world business. Well, the old saying is that can do and those who can't teach. They can't teach that this guy has to understand something about Biden. Biden is basically. I I can't talk about Bob Biden without saying you know we finally have a president that is in that hasn't been brainwashed fifty years in Washington entitlements. And we finally have a president what to work for a living. Made. Money lost money had food on the table for his family and I want. A bunch of money though I mean I think you've given the guy a little too much credit He was pretty much new money Trumka? Didn't he get a bunch of money from Daddy? Yeah you did. All I'm saying is I know a whole lot of people that inherits. Six months the brook. Okay. That's true. Yeah. Exactly. Right. So you gotTa give the Guy Credit for knowing how to manage a budget and number two. If you want it washed people whether you're gonna go on a diet you gotTa Stop Franken you're, GonNa. Lose weight you're going to start an exercise program. There's a rule when you learn something you gotTa do it for ninety days and then it becomes habit. and. What I believe is the Democrats pushed this idiot stay home agenda because I'm really mad I would have gone to start yourself I. Heard you say this last week. Ten Days Long. Ten to straight something not I. got a fifteen year old kid. I might look around the neighborhood and say please babysit her she's insane for she's been home since March second bringer. sturgis there are families out there. In fact, most of them are families. Hey, I got to say this is what you're saying about. Regarding trump what you're saying You know the whole claim that somebody knows how to run a business. So therefore, they're you know they're good for government, it doesn't matter I'm. Not Saying that. Saying is when you find an answer, the perfect answer is in the the best guy for the job. You find the perfect answer, it's the person to inflict the lease damage on the final outcome and influence the future you like. Biden. Let me tell you something. We're never leaving our house be lockdowns. He'll be he'll be. Your time. Either way the lockdowns over on November, the set six. Do you think so thank you for your call tonight I do appreciate hearing from you. This seems like a political football to me at this point. Of course, it is it absolutely is and it's GonNa get worse the football ary is going to get worse when like a beach ball I think when it comes to this election because it really hasn't Rach ratcheted up yet. Biden hasn't selected the VP guess yet and I still sending out one video a week. The first debate hasn't happened. He really running for president inherently he's bowing out from the Democratic when we talk about he hasn't would people talk about him all they can do is stream about trump and then when they finally nail them down on Biden like, yeah. Well, he'll. He'll. He'll. He'll appoint people it'll be fine. He has an as much as sniffed vice presidential. They're too old for him. So. Yeah. But to say that trump is somehow great or anything like that. He's not I mean he's seems to have his wits together better than Biden. But that's really about it. They're definitely dementia Herat's. Sitter I'm not voting for crooked. Pervert right. Back. You pick the crooked old pervert. I'm not voting for him ironically this year both the candidates are the same. That right it's not like. You can say it's not like the trump people who before he got into office the whole mentality was he's going to drain the swamp drain the swamp, and then he didn't he brought the swamp. Just, as close to you is it has ever been There is no change of any sort of significance. In fact, the government's bigger than it's ever been the what the debts up to twenty, six, trillion or something or twenty three or whatever trillions and trillions to Americans have become desensitized to the debt the desensitized to they're all those things. But the Democrats had an opportunity this year they had an opportunity to bring that just about anybody else that was running would have been a better choice than Joe Biden. Like that I you know I already said I wasn't GonNa vote for trump unless he pardoned snowden assange or Ulbricht and I'm not going to vote for him but I might have voted Democrat if they had put. Anybody else fifty, five, four, fifty free like freedom. That's eight, five, five, four, five, zero, three, seven, three, three you really might have voted Democrat. sanders is probably pretty good on the war issues also a communist. Yeah. But he's he doesn't pass laws. 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For President, I did endorse him as the Democratic nominee because somebody's going to win that, right. So endorsed him, I endorse him as the Democratic nominee for president you were behind Tulsa Gabbard during the democratic it was over primary Tulsi was it was over at that point I agree I might have been able to support Tulsi but I got to respond to Jerome. He Hates I. I'm a libertarian. I. I'm going for Joe but he needs to realize there's choices other than Biden or Or. Trump I I mean I don't know anyone who's African American hits. The Port Biden he was a segregationist He actually said that he would would not allow his children to go to integrate public schools racial jungle He's he wrote the nineteen ninety, four crime bill he was he tried to push for three strikes law and all fifty states. He was always a drug warrior to if I recall correctly. Oh. Yeah Really. If if I'm doing something, they'll hurt you leave me alone but. A statement would. Put y'all back and change your vote for him. I mean give me a break. I. Don't know how anyone who's African American book to vote for this guy he is an outrageous. Joe Jorgenson exists, and it's important to let people know that are -tarian exists because the mainstream media sure doesn't want to tell you. Oh Heck. To them where. They Well the mainstream media just sees us as they just see us is writer right wing, which is really false. but But Joe. What everyone needs to know is. Joe. Biden's worst offense if he called Robert Byrd his political mentor, and if anyone who doesn't know who Robert Byrd is, he was the imperial grand cyclops for the Ku Klux Klan. So, and he was like, wasn't he in Congress until? He until ninety, five or something. Yeah he like died income and and and ev- every single Democrat crazed this man he was out in L. horrible racist he was even suspected in several lynching. But of course connections who he was they weren't gonNA. nope. They even put a statue of. Up in Washington. Here's a thing. No one turned that down your question another thing that. That I find. So strange about this is because you'll find that people say voting libertarian means throwing throwing your vote away. I've never heard of them whatever the the thing is. The Libertarians are probably going to be on the ballot in forty nine or fifty states this year, which means that they absolutely can win if people vote for them but. You know when you're talking, there's probably forty out of the fifty states that are a foregone conclusion who they're going to go for. If, you are A. in one of those states, your vote is already meaningless. How can you go and make these points when ten minutes ago you yourself were saying you would've voted you might have voted for Bernie if he ended up being their nominee. It's a long Bernie's not. That's not an answer to my question. How can you? Who knows what the Libertarians are who has voted libertarian in the past who would normally say to somebody who is calling into this show? Hey, you should vote how you feel. You should vote for the candidates that best reflect your values because your vote doesn't normally count anyway but also because it's your values. And you should vote for what you believe in and then two minutes our ten minutes ago you say you would have considered voting for Bernie. Okay. So if the by point on that is, is that Bernie Sanders would be the commander in chief right so that's the actual job description of the president. So Jo Jorgensen, right Joe Jorgenson would be a great choice. However I think that everybody does some mental calculations when they've got somebody in place. Right. So for me, I'm a one issue voter and that issue was foreign policy war war. Right because to me, that's what's important. So if one of the major parties and by that, I mean, Democrat Republican put up an anti war candidate. Then I'm I feel duty-bound to vote for that candidate why you have already made the point a million times. It's one of the most common things you say here on free talk live go off about how voting doesn't matter at the federal level. Your vote doesn't really count. Now you're saying, you would make the choice with Democrat Buddy. I don't have to make the choice to vote for a Democrat because they didn't put him and. I'm not talking about a fantastic world that doesn't exist I'm talking about this one but. We'll get to vote for the Libertarian Okay because you're saying in the other world you would have considered actually voting for. Bernie. When you know the Libertarians are going to put somebody who's more anti-war up for what? It's the wilder to me that you could on one hand have one position and have a complete opposite position on. This is my message to major parties put up antiwar candidates for me and I? I. Will consider voting for it That's my message. So you'd vote you consider will consider voting for a major party if they put up an anti war candidate, young Libertarians have have as. To vote for the Libertarian even even though the Libertarian candidate is also antiwar and also on other issues, you would not you would actually consider another candidate. Unbelievable. Go ahead, rob. I. Well also as a fifteen year army veteran I'll tell you now we are tired of wars and there's There's no way in Hell Sacra from Vice my principles that vote for communist like Bernie. Got Some principals on this airwave. Hey, thank you. I'd rather just I'd rather just not vote. Yeah. Hey, thanks. Call. Will. Probably be the say. You'll know that that's where I met anybody who's listing knows if you've heard me before. I am against the organization that calls themselves governments because they are an organization of violence. That's the only tool they use to accomplish anything and what gives them legitimacy is people recognizing that and going well, I'm GonNa vote right and that gives them legitimacy. So I think. It does. Well it's a part of government. Voting is a part of government that's how government it would do vote or not. Absolutely. So it's a part of the whole of the organization. Voting is the way that they sort of maintained the illusion they innocently of you an illusion of control that kind of thing. So I just choose not to participate in any of it. That's because that's my personal philosophy right? The my principle that I stuck by so that being said if I were to vote right Joe, Jorgenson would be the candidate no doubt with anti. There's no and if you haven't, you're listening to US tonight you haven't Google Joe J. O.. Space. Like two days right Joe Jorgenson go and Google her because she is a female candidate for president and the Libertarian and actual doctor PhD. Somebody who did something other than politics before? He got into politics right she's yet to be accused of molestation either right? Not a pervert. She's not a crooked sniffed anybody that I'm aware of. Yeah. She's pretty cool. I. Met her when she was here in New Hampshire people live Smith sniff the ladies that have been stiffed by gotTa wet got off easy by the sounds of it ladies and they were all children weren't they know he sniffs lady. Ladies. Okay. Well, if you go to Joe Biden Dot INFO, they only focused, but he he doesn't sniff mailed children by the sounds of it. I haven't seen that it's all P prefers them female alright. So the toll free number here is eight, fifty, five, four, fifty free. Let's continue. We have John He's on in Dover. Delaware John you're on free. Talk. Live. Hello Girls, can you hear me? What's on your mind? Yeah I just want to say that I think mark is finally admitting that they socialist. And Has Long which is Great. 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If the organization owners government is only made up of violence only do violence to other people to get their way. Then I look at the organization as a gun. Right when you cast a vote, you're just say stating your preference at which group of people you want that gun to be pointed at I, don't want that gun to be pointed at anybody in fact, I think the guns shouldn't exist hands I don't vote. Sure. Since you brought it up. Then I would have to say to that. Okay. Then my my concern for all the people that are nonvoting an acting as though they're doing something is. Not, cleaning this you I'm not claiming I'm doing anything by nonvoting completely am aware that like it's My vote is statistically insignificant. What? Activism what if a bunch of other people stopped voting? What if only one percent of the population voted? Well, if everybody stopped voting Stop. Everybody wants to tell you who votes on the school budgets and. School board platforms teachers. They always vote. They got favorites they got. We know from all the studies that statistically and like if you WanNa have some relevance with your vote, the impact is felt locally in your local community where you're going to have the real ability to change stuff with that. Have you. If you believe that when you're voting that, you're actually going to make a difference in the outcome. You need to go buy a lottery ticket because your chances of significantly better. But when it comes to presidential elections, I, don't need a ruler I don't need a leader I don't need a King I. Don't need a President Oh, but you're going to get one. Fully aware of that, but I would never dream of forcing my preferred choice on of you guys and I would hope that you wouldn't force that choice on me. Yeah I mean I don't I certainly don't want to force anything on anyone else but just like the real world where we're going to be forced to but that's somebody the libertarian because I would rather have somebody in there. Who purportedly also doesn't want to force things, I and principles. That's what you believe, and then you find out if they could become corrupted when they get the power, which they probably will probably be a complete waste of time and into tally maybe but let see it happen. I. Yeah. I mean again unlikely to ever occur but if people don't vote for the Libertarian, definitely never going to occur. So, how do we take the government down from its current all powerful position if not by working within the system now I agree with you if all of a sudden, there's a massive shift in the way people think if all of a sudden tomorrow morning or after some some number of weeks or months, we finally have a significant majority of the of the population or even a supermajority because again, it won't ever be everybody never. Because they're always going to be somebody that loves power and the people that support those people. But if you manage to get a a renaissance in the way, people think about the state when people start to look at the idea of the state as decrepit and as destructive as Chattel slavery and it begins to fall out of favor. I think you would see things. Manifesting very differently. But as of right now captain, you've got a a week people who want to be told what to do who WANNA be led. They want to have a strong man. They WanNa have that man take care of them and they wanNA feel safe and as long as that's the mentality in the population and it sure seems like Sturgis is an exception, right? But it, but you know you look around, you can see all these people with these masks on and so the idea that that's going to change anytime soon. I don't I'm not saying it's going to change anytime soon. I'm just saying that. If I'm going to stay true to my philosophy my principles that that's how I decided. I think you should stay true to your principles. Absolutely. I don't care whether you voted not. It means nothing to me ultimately just won't now just. The. Idea of activism within the system right if we want to do change people's minds and we want to bring them around to the philosophy of freedom when they haven't even considered it perhaps, they've never even heard of it before then working within the system is definitely a good place to go for educational outreach, right? So things like nobody's campaign, for example are. Those are great forms of activism to help spread the message of freedom you've been helped with his campaign health. Promo foreign that sexually gonNA start running on the radio here locally. So. That's pretty cool. So you've definitely worked inside the system in that Way York, attributing to. A political as an act of activism yet, but if nobody loses by one vote I'm coming to you captain right. So this is a guy who changed his name to nobody legal. That's right and that way everybody has a choice of voting nobody. Well, not everybody but the Republican ballot will have nobody on. Technically we can offer technically a Democrat could write him in on the Democrat ballot if they wanted somebody votes nationally for nobody for president. That vote should be counted for this guy here. Let's talk to I believe his name is Josh. He's on our line as liberty. No mad on the discord server. Go ahead. Josh. How's it going? Hey, you're on the air. Out Last night about to leave go to Sturgis for. Evening. We were out there getting the week when vendors were setting up and it was definitely busier than the last time I urge his off season. Last night. The first night Friday night. Definitely packed Mary few. People wearing a bass. Unlike Colorado when we traveled. Through or UTAH. Now when you very few people wearing an ask, do you mean you could count them on one hand and a crowd of thousands or was it like two percent or ten percent? I would say you could stand on the block watch people pass and. Half an hour probably count to him made. Nice. Wow. That's awesome. Well, outside masks are relatively unimportant. Much. According to government I don't think bikers care about that. So we were inside. Yeah we went to one I. It's kind of a busy party bar biker bar a go go dancers on the bar. And it was. Not. Necessarily shoulder to shoulder or elbow to elbow but definitions. Standing Room. Inside of. Nomad Ascalon in there it's no no mass. Protestors who cares let him spread it I don't care body shocks and for our listeners who don't know what else is happening there in the sturgis area of buffalo chip and a couple of the other campgrounds are having rock concerts with. Bands like I read that quiet riot's is going to play. Because they. Bands like that. You know your standard rock fair but they're going to have concerts toss them. Steel Panthers playing the Buffalo Chip. Killer. Hey man thanks for the update. Anything else you WANNA. Share about your experience sturgis sisters. Just that we traveled from Washington, we were there during. The whole ordeal and we've had these plans made from the beginning of the year and we were excited to get out. Like I said, we came through UTAH. And Colorado. Rate ahead of all of the. Mass mandates in the ten thousand dollar fines and Colorado. It was breath of fresh Air South Dakota state. where? The first week that we were here people, it wasn't outside of the norm to see somebody. But there was no finger-pointing. Refresh felt under attack. To to not work, I've I've yet to be asked to wear mass or asked to leak excellent nine, just a target they asked. If we wanted to ask turn it down and went about our business and this is the target in the area sturgis in in in rapid city. Yeah. Very Good Liberty Nomad. Thank you for the call that's really appreciated. Was I was wondering if somebody was there in Sturgis and turns out one of our listeners you. Have Fun, but he's going to already starting again. A choice and every time somebody calls in from the area rapid city. That sort of thing I always remember my trip to the badlands where I went mountain climbing in almost died. Yeah. It was. Exciting, almost fell asleep at the wheel driving through the badland. Yeah, a fifty, five ad for fifty free like freedom. That's eight, five, five, four, five, zero, three, seven, three, three you are invited to take control of the airwaves. Cup. Trump actually ban an APP. Is that a thing you can do in the United States of America you know with free speech and everything You can tell us what you think coming up. This is free. Talk. Live. Divvy has been a pretty good investment for Free Talk Live their ad campaign started in September, Twenty nineteen and from mid March to mid July, the values soared by ten times. It's not too late Davies new wallet hasn't even released yet and other things are happening that I can't even say on the radio. 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What's the most important thing about which my people to speak and I think that would be you know there are a lot of people who are not living up to their potential because it's very hard sometimes for people who are not good at selling themselves and what they know of on the open market and it's important that the United States government helped people teams had so that people can reach their potential you to government to help people sell themselves on the market what do you mean by that? Help people reach their potential like being able to sell their knowledge on the market. There's some people have a lot of knowledge. Engineer what do you want the government to do? The definition of people aren't good at selling things. They have to be able to market themselves and their knowledge other wife they could sit home with all the knowledge in the world in their minds but it's useless. It's like through the government to sit home doing nothing because there's a crackdown in covert and all that. But what would you want them to do? What would you say ideally, the government should be doing for people. They should have a first class employment intermediation service in other words employment agency a State Employment Agency. God on. Of course. Because? The DMV. They do have. Government run. Agencies and their I mean, this is the problem Robert is that the government is pretty much bad at everything that it does there's a few instances where you can pull out something and say, Hey, look, this failure was far less of a failure than the rest of their failures but you know it's kind of a one percent kind of grab the rest of it they they're the only organizational model where you get more money by failing. So they're incentivized to fail government is good at a few things killing. The, they wouldn't take your money. That's because the free market doesn't want to kill its customers a free market wanted to kill. It would be a lot better at governments serious if Robert has ever been to job services and what he thinks about that organization or organization. Oh I'm sure it's pretty bad. Then gunshots higher subcontractor get a punch factor johnny on the spot, and if it doesn't get a new subcontractor or get several but his. Job Services is exactly what you think it is it's a government agency where if you're unemployed a local seattle. from Seattle no, it's more than just yeah. There's different versions of this across the nation. Okay. But so well, let's just take Seattle. For example, local. It's not federal if right it's generally a state agency. Yeah. Let's say I got laid off from my job due to Covid in order to collect employment, I have to file at the state level with job services. Okay. In order to continue to collect unemployment, I have to prove that I'm looking for. Fill out a little thing that says, yes, I've looked at jobs this week or whatever. Okay and then job services we'll have you come in randomly supposedly and like interview with somebody and they'll look over your resume and tell you whether or not. It sucks. You know at generally speaking when that has happened to me and I followed all of that that just like you'll be fine because I'm on top of my crap though. So what was your question job services has he ever been to one because they are the equivalent of what he's talking about but at the state level. Well the the thing is. I yes. They did go to one when I came starting came here fifteen years ago because actually I had a business in Germany which I closed down because I had to come over and take care of my mom just look after make sure she was okay. So. Consequently, I was going to start a business here but I. I never actually got around to what I tried a lot of different kinds of jobs to what it was like but in any case find out. The job mediation services were were just like you described miserable but the. Federal Government is going to make them better. No not the could be stated could be local, but I'll tell you what when I was in. Germany. Before you go on with your Germany, you know in encounters. Why would you think what is an already a terrible experience could somehow be better given the same bureaucratic disincentives and misincentives because government doesn't have the same incentives for excellence as people in the the competitive market you understand that. Yes, they do do. You have a cat for this. Well, I'm suggesting a subcontractor or contractors and subcontractors and see which one is the better and higher so. that. The people in government should higher they're buddies in corporations to do the work and force all the taxpayers to pay for it. No I'm suggesting that they figure out that they hired like several of them in different places chip isn't that just corporatism favouritism though Not. All you want. You want which one is good. Then then they'll take one that's not. So what do you think one's good and I think one's bad. Whose opinion is the most important? You have to have a good feedback system. but people won't agree. So some people will say they had a great experience with company A and other people may say I had a terrible experience with company a then what do you do? A good statistician or a secret shopper or what do you call it? Confederate Shopper somebody who goes in and just just checks the checks come out their ways to check those things out just look at Joseph Stalin's. Area. Who Watches the watchers? Sorry, I choked when you've brought up Joseph. Stalin as a positive example, a centralized government bureaucracy you're saying needs another centralized bureaucracy to check on. I'm just saying that that they taught Fidel Castro to system. So he used that system and he caught the KGB trying to get rid of him. So he told the. If you guys ever try that again, he also added a bunch of gay guys to. Or is that what kinds of horrible things absolute Don't. Let let's. Say. German. Is What they were in in both those systems but you know every system has has has has has its good points I don't think he does. From, everything I will agree with Roberts on that even if you can find something that the system didn't totally up. Okay. Well, as you pointed out earlier, I think mark the marketplace would do it better right. The marketplace would do it more efficiently the marketplace would do it voluntarily and with Joyce and with choice. So I did like the results you could not support that particular market actor but in the central got to drive down the road I see signs for businesses that are literally advertising jobs for. Eighteen to twenty two dollars an hour and I realized that the dollar devalued since I was a an hourly worker but man I snatched that up in a second. Thank you Robert for your call tonight Yeah. 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It's free talk live the live Saturday edition of the show inviting you to take control of the airwaves numbers eight, fifty, five, four, fifty free like freedom with you. Tonight it's Ian the counting and mark Of course, you can bring up anything you want coming up a little bit later we're GonNa talk about what's going on. Oprah. Down under. Might Sandwiches. If, you can get out of your house. You might be able to make one. Hopefully you've got a low supply of vegemite backed up because you can buy two at a time. You can't leave your house or something. It's pretty bad right now in Melbourne, we'll tell you what's happening there. It's a one of the world's worst apparently crackdowns or lockdowns. But also in the news, the story about TIKTOK. Now have you guys ever seen a TIKTOK video before? I think I have but I've never used the APP download I. Don't know anybody who has it or is it do check? Oh, by TIKTOK. Downloaded tried Tom apparently too old for it or something. and. There's A. Pick Up. Know the sixteen year old girls at the middle. School. I think it's a little old for middle school me if I don't know I do not up on my age middle school should have been held back we don't. Actually set the I actually set that up. So I could extend the joke out a little. But? Yeah. There are a lot of young people on talk that is for sure. But there's a surprising number of of older folks there as well. There's you know mostly junk and not not anything really that enter the video platform watching a video platform but some some things pretty entertaining some people are pretty creative and So they deserve a lot of credit some of them do anyway there's a lot of content on this APP, they've got I. Don't know how many hundreds of millions of users maybe even more I don't know what the numbers are. But in the United States, there's quite a few people that that use this APP especially young people and it it showed up on the headlines in recent weeks because Tiktok is apparently a Chinese APP and they were allegedly using a code part of their their APP to snip sort of sniff on your copies clipboards. So whatever you copy to your clipboard. To discern that and log it base. Claim. Yeah and most of when it comes to APPS, you're basically trusting the APP to be nice be nice and the. So if you're getting it from the APP store, the chances are that Google and apple have told made sure that they're playing by the rules. What happened with Google store with apple they do assess products more thoroughly from what I understand about the Google logo use apps them after the fact. That Google will only be. Elected del only remove an APP wants someone brings it to their attention like, oh, this is a fishing APP. This is a hacking tool or whatever. Most people who are downloading APPs or downloading APPs have been downloaded a million times already or whatever. It doesn't make them safe but it makes you feel like that they're. Saying that it's like absence you get off people's websites. Yup presumably haven't been tested. And APPS have gotten so big that they can tell Google stick. Based on the headlines that I've read about Tiktok, because I read the news I read the headlines and i. don't read the articles right but based on the I will if they interest me but I, have no interest in reading about Tiktok but the headlines would have be believed that Donald Trump has already banned too. So the and that's why I wanNA talk about this I really personally don't care about Tiktok. You know whether it disappears tomorrow off the face of the planet doesn't matter to me but if they're disappearing because the government targeted them, then I'm interested and I wanNA know what's going on and win Tom. Starts talking about how he thinks he can ban an APP then that catches my attention and I'm like, all right we gotta talk about this because. Well. First of all, right on its face seems pretty obvious that in the United States what with freedom of speech and all which has been of all of all the problems that the government has here. It's still been pretty good about allowing people complain look at us on our radio show still have free to some semblance of freedom of speech certain words we can't say but besides that. We can pretty much cover any topic and we don't have any real significant restrictions few but not many. And a lot of that has more to do with the radio industry and what's considered appropriate and what advertisers would would want to get behind and so there are some market forces at at function there too But in this case, the initial headlines was that trump was going to ban TIKTOK well. Then there was another headline saying trump was going to back down banning TIKTOK. Because there's a chance that Microsoft was going to purchase the talk property in the United States have their own US division and Microsoft buying that. But now trump has issued an executive order regarding Tick Tock and apparently rather than banning the APP itself, they took a different tack and are banning the service from the United States meaning that you cannot interact with Tick Tock Company. That's the supposedly how. Little bit more here from from NPR tug confused they talking about the video sharing APP being hugely popular and this the APP is actually planning on filing a lawsuit against the trump administration. As soon as Tuesday, according to a person directly involved with the forthcoming suits be filed in the District Court in. South? Cal California where Tiktok American operations are based NPR's learned. The suit will argue that trump's far-reaching action is unconstitutional because it failed to give the company a chance to respond. It also alleges the administration's national security justification for the order is baseless. Saying it's on pure speculation and conjecture. The has no findings. Of fact, just reiterates rhetoric about China that has been kicking around the White House declined to comment on the expected litigation but defended the executive order from President saying quote, the administration is committed to protecting the American people from all cyber related threats to critical infrastructure, public health and safety and our economic and national security they claim. So what they're doing is under the executive order quote any transaction unquote between a US citizen and Tick Tock. Beijing. Based parent company. Bite dance will be outlawed in forty five days for national security reasons seems like it could be interpreted very broadly. Yes. I suspect the interpretation would be that a transaction would mean you opening the APP you sending any sort of data to it you doing anything with asking support for some help. While you're installing it down, that seems like what is a transaction under the definition of this particular order right? I think it's any interaction with sometimes the transaction means a monetary thing right but you don't pay for Tiktok at least I. Don't think you right. I mean, maybe they have some sort of a paid to your. But I guarantee you the one, hundred million people or whatever that are using it aren't aren't paying for. One hundred million I, don't I honestly don't know it may be more than one hundred, million I. Don't know if that's in the United States it's probably worldwide or whatever but it's a very, very popular APP. The APP has also they say, they talk a little bit about you know the short videos are usually like fifteen seconds very, very short. The APP has also been used to antagonize the president including thousands and. Thousands of teens reserved tickets to the president's rally in Tulsa Oklahoma with no intention of going inflating the trump campaign's expectations for the event and causing embarrassment over the disappointing turns man bed. No Orangemen said. If the presidential ban goes into effect the APP may no longer be able to send software updates rendering tiktok unmanageable on smartphones and eventually nonfunctional. So they're considering a transaction I think to me in any data moving from one to another. I. Mean. That effectively bans. That's right without banning the Apres they. Used once again, legally is the the words bureaucracy. Yes. See Weasel word their way into the effect of outcome that they did so desire and they're they're using national security as their excuse and if it's true that Tiktok is copying people's clipboards. That is a bad thing fans nipping. There's no doubt about that. They they they built a digital Biden's now. That's definitely not a good thing but I would rather encourage people to uninstall the APP rather than using the violence of the state to force them to not be able to use. The APP that we live the Internet is global right I visit websites in various different countries around the globe. and not have a problem why I can't use an APP because it's based in. China and it hurt Orangemen's feelings I'll never know tick more than one thousand. US based employees could have their paychecks indefinitely frozen it could fly the transaction right? It could force landlords housing TIKTOK operations to victim and trump's order could make it impossible for American lawyers to represent Tiktok it any US legal proceedings and this is crazy. This doesn't sound legal to me. But. I really hate all of this. You keep throwing mud at the wall sounds loose sooner or later something sticks. 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All the people that we've seen the only people we know who have died weren't actually being treated by our office but where some of our elderly patients who went to the hospital and died and that's I think there's two of those but most all the patients are still doing great. The ones most of them, of course have recovered by now and they're back to their normal lives and originally we started out with the. Had Hydrochloric women as remiss zinc, and then for a while they said, you can't do that anymore. So then. We were just using. A good steroid, any and another antibiotic, and that seemed to be just about as effective. Really at helping because all you're trying to do is get rid of the inflammation and make sure that they don't get any bacterial infection in the in the meantime, right? So All of that said, we've had only one of our employees just recently. Came up covert positive. We've seen all these patients all this time we finally had one and she claims that she got it from somebody she contacted. offsite. Words in her private. Do. She ran into somebody who apparently came down with covid. I don't know the details, but so apparently, she didn't even get it from contact in the office so so She came up positive like did she also exhibit symptoms or she just had to take the test because it's required and she tested positive action? The regular normal symptoms I, mean it's it's like coming down with a cold or something. Okay. Well, the cold is generally a corona virus I? Mean there's It is of things that could be. Called the coal but one of the things that has called the cold is in fact a corona virus. Yeah. There are a lot of Gerona viruses out there and this is just one. This was just called covid nineteen. Yeah and so I just wanted to let people know that It doesn't seem to be that big of a deal I mean, we're in the industry and I'm certainly not afraid of getting it and I'm sixty eight years old. So I guess I'm considered high risk. So I really don't care in fact I'd just as soon get it and get it over with except for you've got the ten days. You have to stay home at least here where we are gonNA. Say So days this employee of yours are they in the ten day period or they did they recover already in their back or they're they're recovering but they're at home in the middle of their ten day period so When they come back and so it doesn't seem like anybody else's gotten it and it it. Okay. So I've been paying closer attention because things have been blowing up in Florida? Where is my? You know my hometown is a Sarasota Florida and mom wants to go home at some point and my mom's eighty. So I've been paying close attention to it, and one of the things that I will note is looking at the nationwide deaths pre covert the deadliest week in January of this year is. Is Deadlier than any week in June or any week in July as reported by the CDC. So the regular cold and flu season. You know that was the deadliest week in the pre vid, and that week is deadlier than any week that has followed since then in June or July. So you know yeah things weren't so hot in late March April even parts of May but. June and July you know nobody and and not that many people are dying like you say, the death rate. If, you check it against previous years. It's actually lower right now than previous years. If you if you're counting all deaths so the whol says, the mortality rate is point. Six percent. And I and I pointed out those. Over and over the studies that have been done through the last decade that show that. Masks don't prevent the spread of virus that. any effectiveness is close to zero if you look at all of the studies and there's been at least twenty or thirty of them that are peer reviewed and so well. Then how I read journalistically this The the New England Journal of Medicine said that masks after it said that masks were inconsequential said that masks were consequential by they do it. That's a darn good question and a few find the answer. Why don't you let me know because I'd like to know I would guess his their corrupted and they'll do whatever it is. They're masters in government tell them to well I think that's true. There's we don't know exactly why do why does the government wants you to wear masks in? Because it's an obedience thing number one, they can. They can push it. If they really wanted to push obedience, they could get lots of people to do obedience for lots of different reasons. They wouldn't need a pseudo reason to do it. You know why does the current reason? Well, this mind control such a mind control action. I can't believe how many people are so dead set on putting these masks on that they will actually start a fight with somebody over it. That's That biting words. This. Hold on Jean reason is, is because the government is to groups not one it's the Democrats and the Republicans and they want US fighting. That's the reason for masks is because the Democrats, fighting the Republicans over masks and the Republican mandating masks to stop that you're acting like the Republicans are somehow anti mask. That's not true. The State of Texas has a mask mandate in place and there's a Republican I believe who's the governor there? Yeah. Okay and they're the only one. that. Actually believe that if you don't wear a mask, your somehow endangering their lives, I mean they are so. They're so fearful there. Right. But you were endangering their lives before the covert thing that came along to know they're endangering their lives by going out. Okay. If they don't want to be caught somebody's disease, they should stay the hell away from everybody. And the science is clear. The masks do not help prevent the spread of viruses. Now, why would you? Why would that be the case? I can only guess obviously a mask will stop people from spitting on other people. That's true. Accidental will sort of talking the puppies. But then the but then the flip side of that is nobody is using the mask in a sterile way. They're constantly touching it moving it I I stick mine in my pocket. You know just so I can have one when I need. From his rear view mirror they all do that. Yeah. Hanging from some. All all of these things. Reduce the effectiveness. Any effectiveness that masks might have, which is very minimal to be to begin with. So the fact is all this is just theater. It's not doing a darn thing to help anybody. We would have the same number same level of sexy sickness with or without the. Thank you gene appreciate hearing from you calling us in there from ten works in a doctor's office he's dealing with this stuff. Day In day out, you'll love the firsthand account Yep Yep, we had somebody from Sturgis earlier doctor's office here he's the manager by the way over there eighty, four, fifty, free that's eight, five, five, four, five, zero, three, seven, three, three we were talking about trump banning transactions with tiktok which according to some interpretations would mean Tiktok would no longer be able to send or receive data from US user. So essentially banning people from the platform, it may make it so they can't even pay their rent so they would be banned from the physical facilities their employees would not be able to be paid so they would lose all their jobs as you're. Getting Dumber, it's pretty dumb eight, fifty, five, four, hundred, fifty free and so if you care about freedom of speech then. But. 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Who has been targeted by the federal government for basically having a conversation with somebody over an Internet chat room on telegram. Conversation. It's the Internet man people are Nasty on the Internet and Chris is certainly one of those folks. Yes. And so you are facing twenty years in prison for saying something that was you know maybe inappropriate but in I don't think in any way an actual threat. But. That's not the reason you're calling here. Tonight, you were calling for some other reason. So what's up? Yeah, I had I was actually turned into the five dollar free talk live I think it was Thursday night on ninety eight one, W. tsn. We can hear that over here. Nights out friction. Every night of our show one of one of our few all seven-night, all three hours per night affiliates here, and they're here in New Hampshire which is pretty awesome. So yeah, it's unfortunate that they don't pick up the show live it allows me to you know pick it up later. So this is the third hour of it. I can catch it from midnight to one of. My fellow inmates who don't sleep well at I can hear a tooth fellows. No Yeah I heard my name come up with regard to buy quote despicable views. I well, yeah. It depends on your perspective I guess and it was funny to me though because I heard you and you said quote what's wrong with white separatism, which is going on my soundboard when I get home. For statement is racist. I think there is anything inherently wrong with people choosing on their own voluntary volition to go and be by themselves with other people that make them happy if that's what they wanna do that context was though that. Sort of we. We're talking about black separatism and I'm like, Hey, you know if you're if black separatisms coal than white separatism has to be to I'm not saying that. Is, cool white separatism is cooler as a matter of fact. All right. Well, you take your, you take your your your opinion with you. Pointing out that black people invented the word. Cool but anyway going on. By people invented the word cool. At least a slang version of it. All right. Here we go. I mean we can give credit by people with a lot of slack that that much is probably true but you know to the subject of separatism given that I'm one of America's most recognizable like nationalist and that's pretty much exactly what I believe in I find it. So bizarre people find people come tell to say the things despicable now. You're newsletter despicable are the racist views that you hold specifically. Here's the thing it causes people to want to be separate. Aren't they? That is a thing that would cause dat. But some of the separatists will claim they're not racist they just have a preference. Well you know. That's kind of brings us to the next thing here because the driving point second seems to be more about the definition of racism which given the importance of scientists word in our political discourse lexicon. You'd think it'd be better understood. Possible. That people can be fired sued jailed assaulted for being a quote racist. But a roomful of professional commentators on how to organize society can't even determine what racism is that engaging in a debate that wouldn't itself likely risk losing advertisers and affiliates right And I'll tell you. How this happens, and if you learn to understand, this should be better informed than almost anybody you're gonna discuss politics with the word. Racism is nothing more really nothing less than the political left diabolical attempt to pathology is the recognition of easily observed facts of life and to silence their political opposition now. Notably In. You define the term differently and Marcus used this term business definition before as well. You said on the show, you said the dictionary quote. Finds Racism is believing racist inferior to another now, putting aside the question the obvious question of which dictionary defines the term. Let's fast forward. Just don't think of greater substance and ask inferior how me personally I am one hundred percent certain that black folks on average have lower. IQ's then do I people I. Am one hundred percent certain that I measure something meaningful and then I q is genetically. heritable trait since the brain has a bodily organ like any other foreign from the DNA provided to us it conception by parents this name that I believe blacks curious to white well, not have football basketball to be certain. If I say blacks tend to be better athletes than whites and that just athletic prowess is genetic and its origins does this mean that I think whites are inferior to blacks hardly I also have it. It'd be a rather notorious anti. Semite, I have no problem saying choose on average have higher I used in non Jews because they. Jewish supremacist I hardly think. So I, think you actually did admit to being a Jewish supremacist one night on one of the after shows I recall correctly. I think that if you I think that I was using that joked draw a point right because if I say the blacks. Have Lower. IQ's and do is you call me a white supremacist for this then I would necessarily be Jewish supremacist which wouldn't really makes no well with all the Nazi stuff you know if you if you think the point and so what I believe in above all else remarkably obvious series of facts which have been relentlessly slanted and censored by dishonest people who are behaving like it here until the fundamentalist religious cult. From that fact I make a value judgment about my own political preferences I racial tensions tearing my country applaud and I find the mantra of diversity is a strength too stupid to take seriously diversity is very clearly the source of most serious political problems and the people who openly admit to hating our country and seeking its destruction, the people who are rioting in the streets, assaulting people, destroying monuments, and burning flags and bibles while wearing all black the only ones who seem to want more of this. Wonderful. Most of them are white people.