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Taliban silence Voice of America broadcasts in Afghanistan

AP News Radio

00:43 sec | 4 d ago

Taliban silence Voice of America broadcasts in Afghanistan

"U.S. radio service, the Voice of America has said that the Taliban have banned their FM broadcasts in Afghanistan, the VOA said the Taliban had also banned radio free Europe, also known as radio liberty, from broadcasting in Afghanistan, both VOA and radio liberty are funded by the U.S. government, although they claim editorial independence. The Taliban said the radio services repeatedly contravene their new press laws, the Taliban took over Afghanistan in August 2021 as America and NATO were in the final weeks of their pullout from the country after 20 years of war. The Islamic group initially promised a more moderate rule but have since restricted many rights and freedoms and implemented their harsh interpretation of Islamic law. I'm Karen Chammas

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Taliban: 10 killed in bombing of Afghan religious school

AP News Radio

00:46 sec | 5 d ago

Taliban: 10 killed in bombing of Afghan religious school

"A Taliban official says that at least ten students have been killed when a bomb blast hit a religious school in northern Afghanistan. A spokesman for the interior ministry says that several others were wounded in the blast at the madrasa at a back. The capital of the northern samangan province. A residence says most of the students in the school were young boys. Video distributed by the Taliban to the media showed the blast site, a whole littered with debris, mats and shoes, with bodies and blood stains on the floor. There has been no immediate claim of responsibility, but the Afghan affiliate of the Islamic State group has been waiting a campaign of violence that has escalated since the Taliban took power in August 2021. I'm Charles De Ledesma

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DHS Uses Tech Company Backdoor to Censor Speech

Mark Levin

01:19 min | Last week

DHS Uses Tech Company Backdoor to Censor Speech

"So you see in the totalitarian state of California and like many other blue states they want to control the information And instead of you having a right to hear from different doctors and maybe make decisions as an adult they want to control the information and anyone who does not put out what the state wants Will then be taken off You'll be kicked off You'll be kicked off the doctor island I mean really it's the tactics of true authoritarianism To intimidate doctors into just repeating what the government wants them to say That's not freedom It's also dangerous to the public health because how could we ever come up with new ideas and new experimental treatments if doctors are afraid to open their mouths because they're afraid of the state's going to come in and kicking their door and take away their medical license It's terrifying And unfortunately during COVID and still now I mean don't forget the recent report that came out that said the Department of Homeland Security has a backdoor into these tech companies to be able to silence any misinformation on everything from the Afghanistan withdrawal to race relations in this country voting you know if you come out there and you suggest for example that having to show an ID is something that is okay they can take that down And of course COVID the pandemic I mean anything really So it's still going on to this day and Fauci should account for that as well

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Rep. Chip Roy: We Need to Preserve the Culture of Our Military

The Dan Bongino Show

01:50 min | Last week

Rep. Chip Roy: We Need to Preserve the Culture of Our Military

"It would be really cool to have a military focused on Dan bongino and his listener is not getting dead So thanks for doing what you're doing there You can tell us what's going on in more detail and we'd appreciate it Yeah it's great I mean look at you and I both know and your listeners know wokeness is creating a destructive division And it's destroying our military destroying what you know creating division within the ranks It's creating a culture the rewards have failed incompetent leadership like abandoning Afghanistan and it's a Marxist derived ideology that's giving China a clear strategic edge over us And so senator Marco Rubio from Florida and I our teams teamed up and we put out a report to go to the American people can see some of the things going on right It's like secretary Lloyd Austin Signing a memorandum directing all service members and DoD civilian employees to get up to one day stand down to discuss extremism in the ranks Of course there was a report that said out of 2.1 million active duty and reserves there were fewer than a hundred cases which is .005% They hired a guy to put in charge of the countering extremism activity working group who's a total known leftist and activist Who denigrates conservatives and stated systemic racism is one of our great national security challenges I could go down the list The service academies right The admiral told midshipman at the naval academy that they need to read how to be an antiracist Professor at the airport said don't refer to mom and dad It might be offensive And I could go on and on and that were destroying the culture of the military We have vaccine mandates that are killing our recruiting ability We have sex reassignment procedures that are being funded by the military Hell they won't even let you be in the military If you've got frigging braces but they're going to say oh sure sex reassignment procedures I could go on and on but we've got to stop it We got to stop funding it Republicans could have got to get serious about making sure the culture of our military is preserved and protected

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'It's the reflex': Veteran helped disarm gunman at gay club

AP News Radio

00:57 sec | Last week

'It's the reflex': Veteran helped disarm gunman at gay club

"A club goer at the gay bar in Colorado Springs where 5 people were killed Saturday night credits his army training for helping subdue the shooter but wish as he could have stopped the massacre sooner rich fiero did tours in Iraq and Afghanistan It was at club Q with his wife daughter and Friends He was called to action I just knew I got into mode And I needed to save my family And that family was at that time everybody in that room Police say the shooter had several guns including an AR-15 style assault rifle Fiero grabbed the shooter's body armor then pistol and beat him with it And I'm on top of him I'm a big dude man This guy was bigger And I just kept wailing on him A hero in the eyes of many but not his own There are 5 people that I could not help That includes his daughter's boyfriend Raymond green Vance fiero credits another club goer with helping subdue the suspect 22 year old Anderson Lee Aldrich who remains in the hospital I'm Julie Walker

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Carl Jackson: If We Want to Save America, We Have to Stay and Fight

Mike Gallagher Podcast

01:14 min | 2 weeks ago

Carl Jackson: If We Want to Save America, We Have to Stay and Fight

"Instead of encouraging people to get married and to have babies and instead of encouraging women not to kill their unborn babies, the answer to America's population problem is more illegal immigration. Well, what about the population problem that will occur in the countries that they left? Fascinating what the left does. And guys, listen, call your congressman call your senators. I know that we were all hoping to get a break. But if we're going to save America, we've got to stay in this fight. Listen, our soldiers and World War I World War II Vietnam, the Korean War, the Iraq War, Afghanistan, war. They didn't get to rest. The Civil War, the Revolutionary War, they didn't get to rest. Neither do we, and we don't have to take up arms. Thank God to do it. So we have to stay in this fight and right now. God, I wish the Republicans would do something eventually. I've praying to God we get a simple supermajority one day and we will do something about this lame duck session because the left is gonna do all that they can to cram legislation down our throats while they can. These people don't play by the rules. Republicans want to play nice. It isn't gonna work.

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Senator Josh Hawley on the Unconstitutional Censorship of Americans

The Charlie Kirk Show

01:51 min | 2 weeks ago

Senator Josh Hawley on the Unconstitutional Censorship of Americans

"Play cut three 75 senator Josh hawley on fire three 75. A federal judge has just found as a finding of fact mister secretary that your office and I'm going to quote now is supervising the nerve center of federally directed censorship. Facebook writes again to HHS and highlights that Facebook is increasing the strength of our demotions for COVID and vaccine related content. We have example after example of this administration coordinated apparently, according to a federal court by your agency, pressuring coercing social media companies to engage in censorship. Is that constitutional? That is unequivocally false. It's what the emails show. It is unequivocally false center. You are not pressuring the big tech companies to take down accounts. You are not meeting with them to ask them to censor on your behalf. That is correct. We are not. Senator hawley, either he's lying or the documents are lying, your thoughts. He's lying. I mean, this is a guy who lies and he lies and he lies. He said there was no disinformation board. That was a lie. He said there was no plan to coordinate censorship across federal agencies. That's a lie. He lied today about his own internal studies in the Homeland Security department that had been published. We could see them. They've been leaked to the press. They say that DHS wants to make a top priority monitoring and taking down a quote unquote disinformation by Americans on what topics you might ask. Oh, on topics like COVID vaccine. COVID mandates, U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan, what does this have to do with keeping Americans safe? Nothing. It has everything to do with censorship. This is this administration's top priority censoring Americans that they don't like. Charlie, it's sick. It's unconstitutional, and we have to stop it.

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Republicans Still Have an Advantage

The Officer Tatum Show

01:46 min | 2 weeks ago

Republicans Still Have an Advantage

"I was very upset yesterday. I was yelling on my live stream, and I was telling people do not be cowards. Do not back down, do not what we call jump out. Republicans are doing well. We can not allow the Democrat party to act as if they're conducting a victory lap. If you look at our status in the Senate, we are no worse off than we were before the midterm election. If we get her to walk across the board, we are in the exact same situation, I believe, that we were before the selection or we're in the saint. We were in just a slight disadvantage. So there's no huge victory in the Senate. They had control of the Senate. They're going to have control of the Senate, no difference. The House of Representatives, they've lost essentially lost the House of Representatives. That's a huge win for the Republican Party. We are going to have the latitude to conduct investigations on Hunter Biden, investigations on Afghanistan, investigations on this new thing that has come out. FTX, I think they call FTX or FXT or FTX, the crypto company that has now gone bankrupt, lost billions of dollars in a week. And the CEO had given a fortune to Democrats. And there's the allegations that you cranian government invested in this crypto company as well or invested in money into the crypto company. And they lost billions of dollars. That's allegations. I don't know if there's any proof unequivocal to that, but that was the allegations. The House representatives can investigate those things.

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John Zmirak and Eric Discuss the Travesties Inflected by Democrats

The Eric Metaxas Show

02:10 min | 3 weeks ago

John Zmirak and Eric Discuss the Travesties Inflected by Democrats

"About the translators in Afghanistan who helped Americans fight our stupid war over there? And when Biden abandoned them, they're being shot. They're being starved to death. Their wives are being raped and sold as sex slaves for the Taliban. What about the old people, the military veterans and great grandparents? Who died of COVID in nursing homes because Democrats dump COVID patients there on purpose to spike the death statistics so they could do states of emergency and mail in balloting and steal the election. Yes. Yes, the Democrats did it on purpose. They did it in state after state. No Republican state did this. Compared the death toll of old people in Florida full of old people with New York. It was much higher in New York because in New York, the governor was trying to kill old people. And that's one thing Andrew Cuomo could succeed at. He might not have been able to get his interns to go to bed with him, but he could kill helpless old people. Well, John, I want to say, I just want to clarify again. Folks, this is true. When my wife Suzanne was sharing some of this stuff with me, it was very hard for me to believe it. I just thought, come on. Look, I don't like the cuomos, and I don't like democratic politicians, but to send people to their deaths, I don't believe they would do that. So it took me some time. Faith believe, believe my friend, believe. What would I mean? It did take me time to process this. And if you don't care about this, if you think, well, we'll just we'll let it go. That's not okay, folks. What was done to people all around this country, we have to have a reckoning. It's the right thing to do. And I also want to say what you said yesterday, John. This was done deliberately to make the death rates go up because there were many things that happened if the death rates went up. So all kinds of people that didn't really die of COVID were marked down as dying of COVID.

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Lisa Boothe: People Like Sean Parnell Are American Heroes

The Dan Bongino Show

02:00 min | 3 weeks ago

Lisa Boothe: People Like Sean Parnell Are American Heroes

"The more profound conversations I've had was with Sean Parnell And if you know Sean Parnell I mean the guy is just like you want to talk about an American freaking hero in American bad ASS I think I can spell it out I don't think I can say it Hopefully I didn't get us in trouble Sorry I mean talk out a freaking American hero I mean the dude is a former U.S. Army airborne ranger He served in the tenth mountain division for 6 years he is a veteran of 485 days of fierce fighting along the Afghan Pakistan border The outlaw platoon which is one of the platoon is called that he led is known to be one of the most fierce and effective American fighting units And all of modern American history I mean get this 85% of his platoon received purple hearts for wounds incurred in battle His platoon killed over 350 enemy fighters and some of the biggest firefights of the Afghan war Sean Parnell ended up retiring as a captain received two bronze stars one for valor and a Purple Heart I mean the guy is just a freaking rockstar And I interviewed him for my podcast and I just learned so much from him because I think part of celebrating veterans and taking stock on Veterans Day and is trying to understand what veterans go through when they come home Because if you haven't been a veteran I'm not a veteran So I don't truly know how that feels to have been to war and then come home and have the world sort of pass you by and have change so significantly when you've been out fighting Sean Parnell out fighting in Afghanistan one of the most effective American fighting units in modern history facing potential death every single day of his life Willing to risk it all bravely and show bravely as I mentioned 85% of his platoon received purple hearts including shot I mean that's crazy So he's out there doing that when we're all just living our lives here

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First lady hosts Veterans Day breakfast, supports caregivers

AP News Radio

00:47 sec | 3 weeks ago

First lady hosts Veterans Day breakfast, supports caregivers

"The commander in chief is saluting the troops on this veteran's day President Biden is remembering one veteran in particular I can still remember the pride we felt seeing our son major Beau Biden in his uniform And the worry we felt while he was deployed for a year President Biden's son Beau died of brain cancer in 2015 several years after he was exposed to a burn pit during military service in Iraq Our veterans are very spine of America We owe them We owe their families and the survivors We only knew everything This is the first Veterans Day since President Biden signed legislation expanding healthcare for service members who were exposed to burn pits in Iraq and Afghanistan or to chemicals that were used in previous conflicts I'm Rita foley

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 Taliban official: Women banned from Afghanistan's gyms

AP News Radio

00:42 sec | 3 weeks ago

Taliban official: Women banned from Afghanistan's gyms

"The Taliban is banning women from using gyms in Afghanistan The move is the latest restriction that has seen the religious group crack down on women's freedoms since they took power more than a year ago Ever since the Taliban overran Afghanistan last August they have banned girls from middle school and high school and restricted women from taking on most jobs They have also ordered women to wear head to toe clothing in public the constant containing of women's liberties is a U turn from their initial promises to the country that women's rights would be respected The country's ministry of virtue and vice said the ban on women using gyms and parks was a response to people ignoring gender segregation orders and because many women were not following clothing restrictions I am Karen

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Biden's Weekend Campaigning

The Hugh Hewitt Show: Highly Concentrated

01:34 min | Last month

Biden's Weekend Campaigning

"Number three, Joe Biden, oceanside. New York times media reports is called, they call the report. The Goldilocks report. I have my shotgun waiting for the wolf. I have my shotgun waiting for the wolf. We really do need closed captioning. Someone who understands Biden, we need closed captioning. One more Joe Biden oceanside on it. Well, let's do two more from motion side. Cut number four. As well as an IBW guys here. Well, guess what? You guys are going to have install 50 Fox would be 500,000 charges stations around the country. So I was going to be getting this like 500,000 gas stations. Not a joke. 500,000. Because people are going to say, I'm not buying a vehicle because I can only take mixed number of miles. Come on, man. The charging station are not going to make the mileage better, not a joke. Cut number 5. A lot of you been to Afghanistan. I've been to every part of it. It's a godforsaken place. It's a godforsaken place. We want my helicopter went down. I was with the commander as well as a couple of snipers and a guy named Hegel who was later became the Secretary of Defense and the guy named Kerry secretary of state. I don't know what we're talking about. My helicopter went down. But nobody, the president, you go out there and you vote for his party if you want.

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A Shining Example of the Callousness of President Biden

The Dinesh D'Souza Podcast

02:30 min | Last month

A Shining Example of the Callousness of President Biden

"I've sometimes talked about the president Joe Biden as a nasty callous I don't care kind of guy. And it might seem that I'm referring solely to his ugly personality. And I am referring to that. I'm including that. But there's also a callousness and indifference and ugliness to the Biden administration. And what I mean is that the Biden administration is kind of Biden writ large. I'm not saying he's driving the canoe, but I'm saying the canoe and its direction reflects the personality of this gross crotchety man that is sitting at the helm. Now, here's an example of that. And I'm getting this from news reports that a new federal watchdog report shows that the State Department, this is the Biden State Department, recently was found to have as many as 325,000 unread emails from Afghans who assisted the U.S. war effort and want to be evacuated. So let's back up. The United States does this ignominious, humiliating retreat from Afghanistan. But there's a public assurance that we're not this is not going to be a Saigon style, turn tail and run, we're going to get our own people out and we're also going to make sure that the people who worked with us who had trust in us will at least be considered for to be allowed into this country to make the rest of their life in the United States. Now, what was really bad about the actual evacuation is a whole bunch of people ran onto the planes who were not vetted. Nobody knew who they were, they hadn't actually helped the United States in any way. They were just the fastest guys to get on the plane, and they got out. And there were people there who had worked as translators worked in various capacities with the U.S. who apparently have been in the many months now living by the way, these would now be seen as collaborators with the U.S. and targets for the Taliban regime. These people have been trying to reach out to the U.S. State Department probably to document what they did for the U.S., probably give their circumstances and ask if the United States can do anything to help them.

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Ret. Gen. Paul Vallely on Whether Young Men Should Join the Military

The Charlie Kirk Show

01:15 min | Last month

Ret. Gen. Paul Vallely on Whether Young Men Should Join the Military

"This question asked all the time, Paul, and I'd love your wisdom on it. I don't have a good answer. Where young men, 17, 18 years old, and their families come up to me and they want to serve America. And they say Charlie should I. And it's hard for me to answer because I don't want them. I don't want to deter them from service to America. I think it's honorable and heroic to have duty to your nation. At the same time, I don't feel confident to send some of these young men into the current apparatus that is the United States military, which is just becoming a social experiment. What advice would you give to them? What's your response to that, Paul? We have to restore Charlie, and we have to have new leadership. That's why a new president selecting new generals and admirals who go by the code duty honor country, which we learned at West Point, as you know, and have taken their oath. And they have basically subjugated themselves to inferiors, set them officers, and that was the hallmark of that was surrendered Afghanistan and troops saw this. They understood what these generals and admirals were doing and not doing. And so we have a restoration reconstruction, a renewal just like our constitution and our government. We got to restore it. It's the only way. There's too many threats against this country.

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Republicans Focus on Energy Independence

The Hugh Hewitt Show: Highly Concentrated

01:28 min | Last month

Republicans Focus on Energy Independence

"Congressman, I keep asking people, I'm going to ask you, we get a new House majority, a new house, do a Senate majority. What can the Republicans actually do? Their own one half of the lawmaking ability. And that is not the president's got the veto. It's not going to be a veto proof Congress. One half. What can be advanced? I mean, there'll be a select committee on China. I hope the new speaker sets up a select committee. For 90 days on the last 9 days of Afghanistan, because I would like to get some focus on that. But in the general regular order, what do you think the Republicans do first? Well, of course, of course there's going to be oversight and investigations that stand a lot of other issues. But legislatively, we have to use our leverage when it comes to spending deals when it comes to when it comes to the debt limit, there will be an opportunity for using reconciliation for one piece of legislation and speaker to be McCarthy has already made it clear that our reconciliation opportunity, our HR one will be at energy independence Bill. And I think that's what the American people are looking for us to do to address that if we can push that use reconciliation, put a bill on the president's desk that would bring down our gas prices, that's what they're hiring us to do first and foremost to address to address those issues that affect them the most. I think we'll have opportunities to do that and we have to be bold enough to use it.

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Caller Richard Addresses U.S. Involvement in Ukraine

America First with Sebastian Gorka Podcast

01:36 min | Last month

Caller Richard Addresses U.S. Involvement in Ukraine

"Let's go to your calls. Let's go to Atlanta, Richard. Welcome to America first. Hello, doctor gorka, pleasure to talk to you. Welcome. To address our involvement in Ukraine, I am in favor of supporting Ukraine, certainly. But you were comparing our involvement in Ukraine with the Reagan era of engagement with Soviet Union. Yes. And I would like to point out that at no time during our engagement with the Soviet Union lost their a hot war going on. And we were not spending. What do you think was happening in Afghanistan? What do you think dropping plastic mines in the shape of toys for Afghan children to be mutilated? What do you think the rocketing of villages in Afghanistan was by Soviet forces? Do you think that was a Cold War? We weren't we weren't helping to we weren't lending the support to Afghanistan that we are to the Ukraine. Of course we were. Do you think the Afghans made the stinger missiles they used against the do you think they made them out of rocks and stones? Where do you think they got the stinger missiles from Richard? Hey, gassing from us. Yes, bingo. So what's the difference? Go ahead. We had stock we, the United States, had sufficient stockpiles of arms to do that

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Tom Cotton on the Afghanistan Collaps

The Hugh Hewitt Show: Highly Concentrated

02:07 min | Last month

Tom Cotton on the Afghanistan Collaps

"Painful to talk about, but we have to talk about the collapse in Afghanistan a year ago because no one in the mainstream media is legacy media is abandoned the issue. We've condemned a country to darkness. We didn't have to do so. Mike Pompeo has told me you've confirmed we were planning to leave 2500 troops there. It didn't have to happen. With that incompetence, was that design? Was that Joe Biden just living off the fumes of the Obama presidency? Well, I think that the way Afghanistan collapsed last summer was the combination of Joe Biden's rank and competence and his deep insecurity. As I explained in only the strong drawing upon some memoirs at the time, by people like Secretary of Defense bob dates, Joe Biden, in 2009, subjected Barack Obama to what bob dates called Chinese water torture over Afghanistan. And he poisoned the well between Obama and our military leaders. Constantly accusing them of being misleading, of leaking to the press of undermining president Obama in a way that Joe bob dates had he never saw under George W. Bush. May have disagreed. I've seen disagreements between senior military leaders and president Bush. But no mistrust. That's pretty common for Democrats and the military though. But for 13 years, Joe Biden believed that he would write about Afghanistan and everyone, including Barack Obama was wrong. And he had to chip on his shoulder. And he wanted to show everyone in 2021 that he had been right all along. And that's why he disregarded the best military advice of our commander in Afghanistan, our commander in the Middle East, our chairman of the joint chiefs, his own Secretary of Defense, frankly, most of his own civilian advisers in The White House and the State Department. He wanted to show that he was right and had been all along, and he wouldn't listen to the obvious facts about what led to the collapse in Afghanistan. So precipitously, I mean, just 5 weeks before Kabul fail, he was saying there'd be no Saigon like collapse. And this is now as I explained really strong the Afghan effect is going to be as bad as the Vietnam effect was, or at least as long as Joe Biden is president. Let's

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"afghanistan" Discussed on The Media Show

The Media Show

03:00 min | 1 year ago

"afghanistan" Discussed on The Media Show

"How the cnn deals with the taliban son you'll help us understand how bbc world service interacts with the taliban. Let's hear from another person. Who deals with them. The bbc news correspondents commodity. He's covered the taliban toko as the story's unfolded and he's currently in the city of missouri sharieff in northern afghanistan. I told him we were discussing these issues and he economy recorded this for the media show. There's definitely a privilege that comes from being an international journalist in afghanistan we've seen unfortunately at times local afghan reporters being beaten tortured by the taliban just for their work. That's not something that at least so far. We've seen happen with the foreign media. One i think because the taliban no there would be even more negative publicity around that also because simply aren't reporting at the same frequency in the same level of detail is local afghan journalists. Of course there are still challenges that we face times. We've had confrontations with taliban fighters who wanted us to stop filming demonstrations or at the airport when they were chaotic scenes. There but on the whole i have to say they've been really very cooperative with us and in fact really very friendly. That's probably a mixture of us being on an individual level something of a novelty to most taliban fighters as foreigners also because centrally. The group is wanting to project a very particular more positive image to the rest of the world the most important thing I try to remember in in our reporting here is the importance of nuance. So when we're talking for example about some of the gains that it'd be made over the past twenty years in fields such as women's education will. We should also remember to talk about the rampant corruption over these past decades as well when we talk about the understandable and legitimate fears. Many people in cities have about the future. Also talk about some of the the hopes that those living in more rural areas Have after having lived through years and years of violence. It's now come to an end. That's bbc news. Correspondents couldn't come on immersion refund. Son safi from bbc pasture. We could pick up on kinder's final point there do you think there's a risk that the western media and indeed afghan media inaccurately portray afghanistan by focusing too much on capitol as absolutely risk. And we've seen it in the last twenty or so years. Sorry years as well as Days since the taliban have taken over the capital because the focus has been on the airport initially and then it went to the rest of kabul and the banks but actually at that time during that time summary executions did take place. I am getting videos. Horrific reduce of men being shot on the spot from different parts of the country and none of that has been reported by international media. And i don't know why..

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"afghanistan" Discussed on The Media Show

The Media Show

05:17 min | 1 year ago

"afghanistan" Discussed on The Media Show

"Details of a power struggle within the taliban have emerged. These are crucial moments. Wait to see what kind of government it wants to create. also this week. There's evidence the world's media is starting to tune out of afghanistan. Well if some news organizations are doing that we are tuning in to how western media and the afghan media have told this story. We're trying understand how the relationship between the taliban and journalists is working and we'll look at whether this story is revealed structural problems in how news works. has there been enough space. Given to context and history. Tell those of you who are asking. Why is this happening. We'll get into these questions with a ceo of the country's top tv news network with the bbc correspondent currently in northern afghanistan with the news media analyst. In the us with one of the bbc world service is best presenters in afghanistan. And with cnn's chief international correspondent. Clarice award who with this clip became one of the faces of the story as the taliban ceased power. We decide to leave and head for our car. The fighter.

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"afghanistan" Discussed on CONFLICTED

CONFLICTED

05:22 min | 1 year ago

"afghanistan" Discussed on CONFLICTED

"Is that you from the beginning. That are no good guys in the story. But i'm telling you why. The pakistanis felt the need that in working with audubon will be to their advantage. So that's very interesting. Aim in pakistan supported the taliban because they created much needed law and order as did in fact much of the afghan people during their rise. The taliban managed to take over most of afghanistan promising law and order promising a return of security and stability. I think though it's safe to say that in time that initial respect with slightly wore thin amongst a huge number of afghans because they're they're extremely strict application of sharia law wasn't entirely loved. It was more and more resented a to some extent now internationally the taliban apart from the uae. Saudi arabia and pakistan was not recognized as the official government of afghanistan because mainly the maintenance spy the taliban of a large number of jihadist camps most infamously those belonging to al-qaeda of which you were by this point a member in these camps. now there was. It was a very vexed question. America put pressure on the taliban to get rid of the camps to expel the arabs and exchange of which they would recognize them and the taliban said no they are. We are pashtoon. They are noble. Guest also i recognize us and then maybe we'll deal with the camp so there was a sort of tit for tat. The the taliban wanted the official recognition in order to deal with the jihadist camps and the americans said no no. We only recognize you if you do with the jihadist camp so this went on for several years. Meanwhile al is launching attacks In nineteen ninety eight launching the east africa embassy bombing attacks in two thousand the uss cole attack in aden this of course ultimately climaxes with nine eleven twenty years ago very soon and the americans invasion of afghanistan the quick toppling of the taliban and the establishment of a u. n. overseen new state-building process in afghanistan. So aim. is that all all pretty much right. A good a good summary of of what happened pretty much And also because don't forget. The taliban themselves were split down the middle between those who said closed camps but keep them in. Oh keep them out of medina but close the cups and they'll keep them as a guest aunt and those who were saying no no no no a a. We should look into support. The in the jihadist aspirations of any oppressed people keep them so it is the split within the abundant itself. Basically the doomed them in the end..

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"afghanistan" Discussed on CONFLICTED

CONFLICTED

03:26 min | 1 year ago

"afghanistan" Discussed on CONFLICTED

"This year marks twenty years since nine eleven and the start of the war in afghanistan a war which right now is reaching an extraordinary and tragic finale. Many of you have asked us for our teigen. What's been going on in afghanistan and so before we properly come back for series three later this year and yes we are coming back. We agreed that we had to talk about it at. Let me tell the lesson of something here in this story of ghanistan in this entire story we are narrating today. There are no good guys. We are just talking about bad guys and worst guys. No one in this entire story is gonna come out good so ayman dear listener. Let's get into it. Hello.

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"afghanistan" Discussed on The Slow Newscast from Tortoise Media

The Slow Newscast from Tortoise Media

08:13 min | 1 year ago

"afghanistan" Discussed on The Slow Newscast from Tortoise Media

"On the battlefield. And from us. Fallback as i remember my dad given what he was and what he was doing with all is at the center of things going on in the area some item would really be sped. Being the son off the commander who'd become known as being brave and his parents had always worried about him never returning home and he would come home in the middle of the night and then disappear for another two or three weeks and come back and then it was always that him being president. I'm not being present at the same time as i grew up. I realized that he had a position on my become more and more interested in you know sitting along with you know where he was holding meetings beginning to understand the complexities of structures within which they were working from a very young age. I mean two years. After roy was born the soviets withdrew their forces. Nine thousand nine hundred nine they will hardly can fund foreign war when at home. The ussr was collapsing but already another conflict was brewing. The islamist groups wants armed by the americans were beginning to hunt for power and by the time that roe was seven years old in one thousand nine hundred ninety five and you force had arrived. The taliban they brought with them too exhausted population the promise of peace. The people of canada is should few. Tease previews anneke. But now questions are being asked and left unanswered about who the taliban ah what type of society they wish to create but of course as we know the opposite became true. Executions were commonplace public amputations blockades of food and supplies. Women were stripped of their rights. They were barred from working outside the homes. They couldn't leave without a male escort goals when they longer allowed to go to school. The taliban is pretty unreconstructed. If you like oganization during its five-year attempted running the country. He there was nothing. Women weren't out work that went labs outside the huns without the company of male relatives and in full job girls would allow to go to school. This is linda. Donal afghanistan bureau chief franz press and the associated press between two thousand nine and two thousand seventeen and on a wifi connection that miraculously held up. She talked to me from kabul. Miniature grow beards science was just ignored. Didn't exist it was pretty tough place. Music wasn't allowed even catch line which is a traditional afghan. Pastime wasn't permitted. The taliban made the capital down in nam can har- in the house and they had only two countries that recognize them diplomatically. Touchstone in saudi arabia. An important thing to know about roe and his family is that there has ours. And the hazaras were afghanistan's patchwork population ethnicities and tribes. A target has our people as sheer and the taliban like most afghans Sunni afghan islam is informed by a history of buddhism. as the buddhas in bamiyan would attested. it's fairly moderate. The taliban are extreme and the shia has hours are also asia tactic people. They not european extraction issue like they look chinese mongolian and they account for about fifteen percent of the population. they were very very badly traded. Up with alexander documented mescus. But discrimination against the his our didn't start with the taliban. It goes back at least two hundred years as the began to encroach on the hazara jet in the late. Nineteen ninety s reza rose. Father was a key figure in the resistance and row was tiny spectator in a war in which his dad. His hero was the central character and as a young sort of seven eight nine year old. What did you know of the taliban. How did they loom in your in your mind in your imagination things. Actually might you know. We were really very keen on at least him. Much disposition was we have a a panasonic radio cassette one of those old ones when my father was a code all we did at least on the top about. We listened to also persian. So i've broadcast from london so we used to listen to the news all the time and also the rest of the time we listen to music which many people in the village didn't do and the other thing that registered for me was when the taliban capture kabul having a breakfast bread black some my god listening to radio to the bbc radio they have committed serious incursions inside the afghan territory and they have a nibbled the taliban to move towards the capital cognis fallen. That is when they comfortable and then killed the last communist president of afghanist- on doctrinal jubilant. And his you know his his corpse in a in a city square so from very young ages. I began to piece together once we not. The taliban became synonymous with brutality. And savagery really in the years after nineteen ninety-six more than a million afghans fled to pakistan and up in the mountains. Rose family couldn't escape the brutality that was now spreading around the country. He lost a baby brother to malnutrition. His father was away for long stretches of time and he was left with his mother who suffered from epilepsy. He carried the shame of the conditions villages around to muttered that she was cursed that she was bewitched. Thanks to the hazara commitment to education into a secular education in particular he learned how to read and write on like a low of children across the rest of the country all the time he watched and listened from the corners of rooms reading. His father's communicates by candlelight. And so what happened. I think it would be nineteen nine hundred nine when you twelve ninety nine hundred eight while out to you know plus years old complete locate our desire jobs. The taliban it like we see today. Kruglov obey the managed. Littering attack can some northern afghanistan slowly went down towards the competency region bomb young incheon sixty within days. Fifteen hundred years of history was reduced to rubble and thousands of other. Afghan relics are now being obliterated. By the taliban's latest war fell the rest of us on john crumbled one after another more shown one of the things italian deidra us you know a they captured massage effecting think in one day they killed up to ten thousand czars every step of the way advanced towards his region. They again repeated damascus. One of the most stories saying the taliban date when they captured mazari was. They put a slogan out to say that. If you're a tajik go to jail. If you're those back goes becky tom. If you're zara go to the graveyard one of the other warnings where that you know if you're you're either convert to realize lot which means soon as now if you don't leave the country and if you don't do.

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"afghanistan" Discussed on The Politics Guys

The Politics Guys

02:51 min | 1 year ago

"afghanistan" Discussed on The Politics Guys

"Okay jay so. I think we will start with. I know we will start with the topic that dominated the news this week afghanistan. Yes unusually Listeners know we be set this up. Where either mike reid as a summary of what's happened in sort of gives a synopsis of of the news that we're gonna be talking about And i'm not as good at that as mike is and unfortunately there is a whole lot to try to impress but i guess the short version. Obviously we've we've got last week The taliban took control of kabul with the exception of the airport which the united states still holds with six thousand troops united states had issued a shelter in place order for americans trying to get out at that time. There that has since there's been state department guidemap guidance. That is since come out saying. Please try to make your way to the kabul airport but we cannot Guarantee your security president. Joe biden Made no numerous numerous a couple. Couple statements of beginning an on tuesday then there was a an interview with george stephanopoulos and then another Press conference just yesterday. The increasing concern of of mind. Mike and you. And i will talk about sort of the bigger picture. Nation building stuff too but is there. It seems that what the president has said Compared with some of his military advisers say regarding our capabilities to get people out is really to me chilling. I guess You had secretary. Lloyd austin say that. We didn't have the capability to pull our people out individually to go to outside the airport to get them now. The french and the british and the germans Have been doing. This was also story yesterday. That the united states did reach out outside the airport for several hundred yards Via helicopter to bring in stranded americans All this while. Joe biden is saying that the taliban have agreed to honor american free passage to the airport again. That seems to be at odds with some of the reporting on the ground over the fact that we sent a helicopter to pick up one hundred sixty nine people who apparently didn't have that free access but that's and mike. I will make this admission to you and to listeners.

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"afghanistan" Discussed on Majority 54

Majority 54

04:13 min | 1 year ago

"afghanistan" Discussed on Majority 54

"Power and trauma and when things. Don't go the way you want them to write. Because i've spent years about what happens when a lot of things. I worked on that. I cared about got totally dismantled by the next. You know you you start to realize it in the world's nothing ever turns out exactly how you want it to be. And what are you control. You control like the choices you made like the things that you believed in like the individual lives at that you impacted and never mind the mission of of protecting america after eleven like the mission that i think most people thought there are signing up for like the america's been pretty well protected since nine eleven like there's not been significant terrorist attacks but put that aside even the afghans that you interacted with the way that you carried yourself like the the survivability of the things that you believed in one of the research focused on the atkins getting out is what could those people do. They can do amazing things with their lives. Like the afghan women who've been educated like every single one of them is is precious every one of their education is in and so. I think we're kind of hardwired to think about a scorecard. And was i part of a word that we want or was i never mind that. None of these wars since over to have been particularly clear. I think you just have to think about like what what broader forces in the world of my part of. I don't know that's all i got. I got like that's true thoughts to add to that One is even though it seems like some of these gains might feel temporary in in very much are temporary in afghanistan. I was shocked. Actually jonathan rouch did a really interesting summary about just how big of an impact united states hat on afghanistan and and veterans. Like jason can be proud of the fact that life dramatically improved for people there while we're there so if it mortality dropped by fifty percent life expectancy increased by six years electricity consumption. Ten times years in school went up. Three years for men and four for women and university graduates went from thirty thousand to two hundred thousand and People like michael hanlon argue that tons and tons of lives. Were saved. Because if you look at the history of warfare within afghanistan before there. He credibly argued that there would have been way more bloodshed. Had we not been there. But i know we're not keeping a scorecard and so the other thing i want to say. Is that for those of us. Who didn't serve. I want to use the grabner section as we close out to to plug the work that you're doing jason at a veterans community project and say that we all need. Did you better by the people who come back from these wars within this country. I i can't imagine how much trauma can be stirred up by the types of images we've seen and so i think people do need to be very deliberate If you know people you know as i do as as we all who served in afghanistan in different capacities too by the way. I know a lot of people served on civilian side to reach out to them and encourage them to to not be a afraid to talk to someone. Because i appreciate what y'all said is now because i've been struggling with that the last few days but probably bothered me. The most is how many of my fellow afghanistan veterans. I've talked to are seen them. Comment on social media at me and just say like they feel like it was meaningless and like i. It is tempting to feel that way. But i choose not to feel that way. I know that we made a huge difference over there. I know that we accomplished some of our objectives. That were really important ones in. It's interesting i-. I commented the other day that i have all these mixed feelings. One of them is pride people were like. How can you be proud of it. And it's like. Yeah well. Because i choose to be like But that's the thing is like it's not easily accessible. You have to choose to be in some choose to be because you know what you do right and you know what the people who served with you did and you're proud of what your data you're going to be proud of every decision that politicians make. Well thanks for doing this. Been thanks for indulging this conversation. There's a lot people can gain from listening to what ben has to say so he's at be r. h. o. d. eso at b. roads on twitter and the book is after the fall being american. The word we've made you can hear more of him in vitor on positive the world..

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"afghanistan" Discussed on Majority 54

Majority 54

07:52 min | 1 year ago

"afghanistan" Discussed on Majority 54

"To fight and glitz and you live in a more grim existence like all these fucking armchair warriors bashing the afghan security forces on twitter. Whatever like put yourself in that guy's shoes what choice would you make you know. And i i just like it can be. Please talk about these people is it. They're human beings real. We can't even wear fucking mass here to keep our neighbours alive. And we expect some twenty-four-year-old couldn't have ghanistan to basically get himself killed for what you know so. Yeah i share your frustration with the guys i know. Ben i want to be cognizant of your time and so i would love to spend spent some time talking about what now and so as a reminder you know interestingly you know i used to be a school principal and what i find breathtakingly sad about this war is that might fifth graders. Who were my fifth graders back in twenty eleven many of whom were born after nine. Eleven or old enough to have fought in this war which is just tragic but it's a lot of people who are now voters and citizens of this country who are trying to assess the situation. We're born after a lot of the key events and so one reminder is who was the taliban right they were patrolling this country that was as insular as almost any country on the planet except for maybe north korea morality police that was patrolling. The country women had to wear burqas. Men had to wear beards Schools for girls were closed. Women could be beaten for walking unaccompanied soccer music. Were banned massive. Public executions were held in the soccer stadiums. It was a horrific violent oppressive place. I think one question a lot of people are asking right now and this gets to focusing on the people of afghanistan is. What does the modern day taliban look like what what do we know. And what can we trust at this point. Based on how untrustworthy. I think some of our intelligence has been on this. Would we know about what the taliban of twenty twenty one is. i mean jason skew. Strong views on this. I mean i first of all the tied to the history part of uncomfortable. Reality is america's engagement. Afghanistan is sexy forty years and we were funding. Not just the mujuhedeen fought against the soviets but we were funding islamist education in afghanistan in the eighties. Because we thought that would lead to better resistance against against the soviets. Were right about that. I was the wrong choice but it did lead to better resistance against surveys and against us it did. Yeah so it's interesting. Our fingerprints are all over the sink. The taliban is is a is a brutal thuggish. misogynist islamist movement in watching them in recent days. What they are. Is they're more media savvy and i think they probably do want greater international recognition than they had the last time they were in power they not many governments recognize them. I think they're gonna win identify. What is the minimum that we have to just kind of be treated like a government that said out in all the other parts of afghanistan other in kabul. I'm sure right now. What this means is there are reprisal killings. They are sending women. They're reversing all the gains that women have made. There's there's real intimidation. This is kind of a militarized society with checkpoints everywhere. I think that's like cobble is not all that ghanistan. I think what they're doing now is the classic double game of their being their old selves everywhere. In kabul they're saying certain things but even in kabul. I'm talking to people they're going around. They're not going on everybody's doors. They're you know they're. They're kind of mapping out who was where and who did what and and so. My fear is that while they're putting on this this kind of savvier face. They're just waiting for the attention to drift. The that said i think there. They're acting more like a political entity now than they have in the past. And there's some flexibility there to make things less terrible for afghans if they truly do kind of seek to be something of a somewhat more normal government but only around the i think the margins i think one thing we have to do is keep a door up so that if the taliban continues to allow people to leave their volition after we no longer control the airport you could still have tens of thousands of people get out through overland routes or hoping or maybe by getting on a plane and get to bed. Who's the they here. Who's the leadership like because it was moolah omar. Is there like a new like leader that we should be paying attention to hear mullah barada who you know was Arrested and detained during the obama ministration in prison in pakistan and then released Part of the trump administration's plan he seems to be the de facto leader. It does seem like that you know they. They've been running like a assure accounts they have a kind of executive council the board if you will and so. I think it's more decentralized from my perspective than it was under mullah omar but yeah. I think that they're gonna wanna they at least want to create the impression that they want to be treated like a normal government and the the decision that the us is not to make this a very hard one is the impulses. Meanwhile don't don't work with these guys But if you turn them into a pariah does that incentivized their worst impulses or is there any leverage to affect them by engaging them i'm pessimistic Not wanting you know starry-eyed about anything they've said but You want to do anything you can to make things as bad as it can be for. Afghans particularly women are. I think that's right on and we. We have to be careful not to be fooled by the fact that they seem to be a more savvy and a more less primitive version of the taliban from twenty years ago. Because who isn't less primitive. It's been twenty years where people need to understand when they when this is referred to as a civil war. This is a civil tribal war now. There are lots and lots of people. In the pashtoon tribe including my former translator who are not taliban not and in fact fought the taliban but the taliban come from the south in the southeastern portion of afghanistan from the postion portion it is a tribal movement in the word taliban derived from talib means student to go back to your point about it comes out of the islamist education and that move toward extremism. So that's all important to know that. Yes that group of people. Obviously we'll have learned lessons over the last twenty years. We've watched them learn those lessons. We watch them develop like a you know basically a assistant where they had press secretaries for the last ten years of the war like they they want to engage in the world in a way. That doesn't get them sanctioned that allows them to do business with other parts of the world because they wanna make money and they don't want to be You know they want to shut off but yeah i. One hundred percent agree that when the cameras are gone. They're audience is no longer going to be the international community because they won't need anything from us than their audience is going to be the average afghan. Who might do what any what any totalitarian regime is worried about which is rise up and they're not going to allow that they're gonna make sure that they are retaliating punishing putting fear into people so with all that said on that very happy moment to end it on my big question that i leave. All of this with is. How does somebody like me. Incorporate this conclusion to our mission into my idea of my own life which. I'm not going to require the two of you to answer but like to figure out from me and i can i can i. Can i take shire's not not you afghanistan veterans. Yeah i this is from a total gym perspective. So i don't want people to think that you know this is more..

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"afghanistan" Discussed on Majority 54

Majority 54

07:21 min | 1 year ago

"afghanistan" Discussed on Majority 54

"To let them know. We sent you what i'm confused about. With what the by administration is put out so far as the they've they've kind of half owned this in half pass the buck a little bit. One thing that i think is so obvious is that there are just so many things that went wrong. In our assessment of the situation like biden. Five weeks ago wouldn't be saying it's unlikely taliban's going to overrun. The country wouldn't be burning documents and blushing troops back into this country if this was if we had a solid foundation in our assumptions and so even if we like you said jason like even if it were true that we were giving the government a chance there should have been so many contingencies in place that would prevent us from this herky-jerky exit and there's also a question of competing loyalties right like our loyalty to the afghan government And our loyalty to the people who looked out for us in some ways we're competing in this interim period of time if we're to believe what people are saying and and i know it's like you know we've all been there in various ways in like or not there in afghanistan but like in some of these rooms. I don't wanna be like unfair to people involved. But i also think it's important for us to be clear about this and democrats. I think there's so much attention. People are paying to the doha negotiations on that. Which seemed like there was a credible problems with that but it seems unambiguously true that there are some serious mistakes over the past few months at the very least here. Yeah yeah. The doha thing What that did right is once. Trump cuts a deal with the taliban. Says we're pulling out by the way. All the contractors are pulling out so the afghan military is not going to really be able to function. Will i saw after. That is all the. The regional afghan leaders cut their own version of the same deal. So people want ask like why is every folding away. It's because they made the same deal. Trump did hey don't shoot at us taliban and that's it that said though to your point like as soon as this decision was announced the contingencies. Like the checklist of things that you would work through. What hundred percent include afghans. Who worked with us. Like there's knows everybody in the world was warning about this issue. This wasn't like something that crept up on them to me that that's why it's the most glaring thing is if you're leaving there's a moral responsibility a clear cut black and white like unambiguous moral responsibility to the afghans. Who who worked you know and you can choose where to draw the line. Is it just the people who worked for us. Well that's still almost one hundred thousand people And then is it. The people that took to grant money we could fair where to draw that line but the inability or unwillingness. I and i hope it's not because they didn't want optics of large numbers of refugees. Come in the united states. i hope to god. That's not what the determining thing was but because that's something you can plan for an execute right. There's certain things in the world that you can't control like you can control. You can't even control whether the afghan military fights you can't control the quality of certain afghan leaders. You know you can. How many afghans who want to leave you take out. That's the failure that you know you can't blame that on trump the like. That's just glaring. That's why that that's the one that stands out and furthermore you can't blame provincial governors and local for one to survive gandak military commanders. Like a f- gan battalions and so forth for surrendering Became and that. I think if there's been one thing over the last few days that his pissed me off more than anything else it has been a steady drumbeat of. Why didn't they fight for their country because we lost twenty five hundred people in afghanistan. The afghan security forces lost sixty six thousand over the last twenty years. Like like the idea that these people didn't fight for their country makes me angry and on top of that like once once. The doha negotiations happened. Once that deal has been made if your if if if you're one of these provincial in the area that let's be honest everybody's just moving toward kabul. That's what's happening. They're moving through or is gone and they're you know just a week ago or two weeks ago jalalabad and like they're coming through whether you're provincial governor soldier on the ground you're cannot go on okay. I'm no longer getting paid. I'm hungry like look. When i was over there and i was doing my job as an intelligence officer sneaking around meeting with people i was. I was pretty firm in my belief that they're not going to take me alive. Because i knew what was going to happen. My head cut off on youtube. And like i wasn't going to be taken alive but it was a much easier decision for me to make because i knew how it ends it ends with. I get killed right which is bad but it's not as bad as like if after they kill me it as long as i put up a fight going to retaliate. And by the way they're headed to my hometown and then they know who i am now and they're going to find my wife and my kids and my parents and they're gonna kill all of them and so the the idea that people are going. Jeez we've trained him. Why didn't why didn't they fight for their country. When by the way their country is a place for the lines are drawn by other people. And like if you're an encana you're your pushtoon and you have nothing in common with a soldier from up near baga who's like taj seekers back like what does it mean to your country and so my point is like i don't even know what my point is. I'm just really mad about your point is your point. Is that you're right. You're point is when jason. This is my single biggest grievance against how a foreign policy is often discussed and often made in washington is there are no human beings like outside of america. there's not actual people or something. Because i'm just saying version what you said but i think it bears repeating. Imagine being like a twenty four year old frontline soldier in southern afghanistan around kandahar. Say like the the heartland where the taliban came from. You've been fighting for years. You've seen a bunch of people killed you've seen the united states provide less and less support. You've seen a fucking lunatic. President united states make a deal with the taliban that excluded your democratically elected government. Then you've got a new president comes in and says we're getting out we've been there too long. It's on you guys with the you guys is a twenty four year old who may have three sisters at home and a dad and he knows he's one hundred and by the way if he has accessed any social media he's also able to read any outlet that the us government assessment is the atkins security forces are gonna lose in eighteen months that they're they are going to lose so what the governor is asking you to do is hey. Could you fight for eighteen months so that this looks less bad so that and that will give us more time to process people to leave like oh and by the way. What that means is yeah. The taliban is likely going to kill you. Then they're going to go and do god knows what your sister's because you a part of the resistance of the taliban they'll burn down your house the radical any any proof of of the drew ever existed or you can choose not.

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"afghanistan" Discussed on Majority 54

Majority 54

04:40 min | 1 year ago

"afghanistan" Discussed on Majority 54

"Minds the moment we showed up for the most part. We were trying to win fate. We were trying to convince people that it wasn't a losing to bet on the coalition and the government of afghanistan. Because if you bet on us and you lost you were the taliban was gonna kill you. And so in order to get people to work with us into get the military to to fight and be cohesive people to believe the go could could succeed and that was like my whole role. There was to like do anti-corruption anti-espionage investigations as a means to eventually making go more legitimate. And my experience was they were constantly and understandably constantly preoccupied go with looking legitimate. Like i would come back with an investigation recited. No this warlord is still involved in narcotrafficking. And he's killed this these people. He's put their heads on stakes inside his palace and the solution. Sometimes i can't even fault them would be. Let's move him to a different province because he'll be further away. Fr- you take your kid at their school tournament of different school when they're in with a bad group of friends like poem away from their network so the point i'm making is that when the government of afghanistan came to the biden and said. Please don't start these evacuations because it will destroy confidence in our government and it will cause the military to fold and believes that there's no hope and then they'll take kabul right away what people don't realize that's a super hard choice because you don't know whether they're gonna be able to hold but you do know that if you start the evacuation early in kabul falls right away you'll never know whether you 'cause that yeah. I guess there are two ways. I look at that jason And i agree with you. And i'm also incredibly sympathetic to how hard these jobs are so say all proper caveats. The two issues. I have is due to launch of people that you know there. There's military interpreters people who worked for us you know. They worked at the embassy or much. Larger number people's several tens of thousands of people who worked with our military and then secondly there are people that believed in us. And and i think you can identify in particular people who usa. Id gave the money to set up human rights organizations or women's rights organizations so they were direct recipients of our strategy. You know because they were. Usa subcontractors are funded by certain development fonder international development funds. These are people started. Ngos people who will definitely be endangered by the taliban just as much as military interpreters. There's two decisions that i kind of. Don't understand along this this process. I think even if you're a massive accusations of all those people i can see why the government of atkinson's warning against that but the the the the military interpreter issue the sieve issue. The numbers are so small. I mean we had fourteen hundred. I think but before the at the bottom fell out like why you couldn't significantly ramp that up and so it's not necessarily see seventeens airlifting people everyday. But you're getting into the tens of thousands of people. Because i think it stands to reason that if the us military's pulling out that the you know military interpreters who worked with us would be willing and able to take that shot of coming united states so why that program wasn't dramatically scaled up I don't understand. Because i think you could have done that. Without kind of mass evacuation vibes and then the second thing is even right now. I'm not sure why we have. An extended a lifeline to people beyond that program to include like i said those afghans who who are clearly endanger and were recipients of us funding. They seem to be excluded from the evacuations. Now i hope that is changing. That's not the case you know. So i i understand the law. The logic point is absolutely the case it. If if they're telling you that if you guys fly bunch of military transport planes in here and airlifting thousands of people on every single day you know this could lead to clubs confidence. I still think you could have done a lot more of those four months. And i also think that. I hope that they do a lot more with the time they heart. Now i agree. And i also think objectively either way. We made the wrong choice. You had an. I'd like to think that given my experience of the government of afghanistan. That i would've made a choice. That said you know what we've been doing this based on optics in order to increase confidence for twenty years and it hasn't worked and this is the in game either way so we're just gonna do what we need to do but i don't know that for sure but it wasn't clear choice and i believe that i would have made the right choice but it is belief at best and it is in with informed with hindsight.

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"afghanistan" Discussed on Majority 54

Majority 54

05:38 min | 1 year ago

"afghanistan" Discussed on Majority 54

"I want to make this clear. The very difficult decision with regard to the afghan government that president biden had to make over the last few weeks. That is really an answer to the question. A partial answer to the question of. Why did this happen so quickly. And why why were. We not evacuating people weeks ago. So let's just start with your impressions of i dunno. You perhaps work directly with members of the government of afghanistan at some point but either way your impressions overall of the government of afghanistan during your time working on these issues. My impression was that it was a government that never you know never really had control over the country right. I mean they weren't pulling levers were affecting events out in brott ghanistan or even out in places like kantar. They were incredibly dependent on the united states. Right so think of it as like a machine that was built to plug into the united states so their security forces dependent upon everything on us for everything but even just the execution of their budgets and their development programs because this was a nation building exercise like we were both providing a lot of assistance but also providing a lot of expertise and at the top there was clearly corruption but there's corruption because that's how politics was done in afghanistan to some extent right like you have to take care of this local leader. Because you know this is the person that can make sure that the water's turned on a and again. I wasn't down that in in the weeds. That accent but so some. The corruption was was like a unique variety like people stealing money and moving into the gulf or something. Some it was just kind of like this is how actually politics happens in afghanistan. You know at the end of the day you know ghani he. You know he's technocrat. Who goes back and probably makes a very good finance minister in a developing country. He's not the kind of strong central authority that can can with everybody into shape and clean up the corruption and you make the trains. Trains run on time and afganistan and be able to remember. They've never had that you know there's never been a central government in afghanistan that that government away. That is kind of familiar to to you and me right so i can be critical of them. But i'm also like i'm more critical of the united states in the sense that when you come in and you are all the forests in the country you control violence in the country. You control the bulk of the resources in the country and you have a government that is dependent becomes kind of overly dependent on training wheels and a government that becomes corrupt in a lot of the corruption. Is the war economy that we built like contracting money. Where's that going. They definitely failed. But like i'm not sure that they were. You know. set up to succeed either. Yeah well i mean. Let's be honest. Anybody who was in a position of power in afghanistan was there. Because that's where we allowed them to be. And dan and the public knew that you know like they sensed it inherently and one of them jason like the other but underneath that surface. The prewar warlords never went away. If you look at who's in this transition council it's dawson hekmatyar karzai again. Some of them are around but like these are the same guys that were running militias in the nineties and they never went away. So you have this kind of technocratic government afghanistan and then you had these kind of regional thugs players who never never left any and really all they did is sort of rotate through the government that we had put up in different titles like doom was. When i was there he was defense. Minister minister dusty room. Like that's what he was. He was just another perch from which to run his stuff. And i mean heck muhtar like that's a dude who is like a former prime minister of afghan who really just became the head of of the hezb-i-islami golden terrorists network and political. and like. that's a dude who we went back and forth from like working with to like. Let's be honest hunting. I was part of that. I mean so like yeah so it's so it's important people understand that the the quote unquote government. Afghanistan isn't attempt to government. And what i was trying to make clear for people. This week was the there was a passage that really struck me in the president's remarks where he talked about how he addressed why the evacuation of americans and of our allies and of afghans who had worked with us why. It didn't happen sooner and it was a very short part of the speech but what he said was that the government of afghanistan asked us not to begin those sort of operations the sort of evacuation operations and to basically give them a chance. And so we did. And i've been thinking. I haven't mailed stop thinking about that because i think that was the critical decision and i can't figure out what i would have done. It was such a hard decision and for people who don't know for the bulk of the twenty years the center of gravity in at least the part of the war that you talked about the nation building part of the war. The center of gravity has been the government of afghanistan which we referred to as go right like geo at go is ability to demonstrate that they could have a chance to operate competently was the center of gravity and everybody right now is on cable news royals. They're they're grouping in afghanistan and iraq as if though the same more and there's a million ways in which they're different but for purposes of this discussion the biggest way they're different is in iraq. Our forces were trying to win hearts and minds in afghanistan. We had the hearts and minds the moment we showed up for the most part. We were trying to win fate. We were trying to convince people that it wasn't a losing to bet on the coalition and the government of afghanistan..

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"afghanistan" Discussed on Majority 54

Majority 54

06:20 min | 1 year ago

"afghanistan" Discussed on Majority 54

"The two thousand ten surge. Some people are saying it was too small to accomplish the maximus political goals that we had but big enough escalate. The war doha negotiations excluding the afghanistan. Government rejecting the idea of a monarchy the return of the monarchy which goes back to those maximum political goals. And i'm not sure you know some of those more nuance than some of those might even be incorrect criticisms but one criticism that i come back to 'cause i'm the closest thing to a regular civilian on this. Although i was with you ben for a couple of years and the national security team out of the un was a an argument that tom nichols made in the atlantic this week. Which is that. The public is also to blame which is me and others. Who just haven't really been focused on this war and That's simplistic to in some ways. But i do think that this was a war. That wasn't fought by. America is a war fought by a small sliver of americans and all of sudden it seems like the same people who were epidemiologists. A year and a half ago and then election expert in november and now afghanistan experts all of a sudden. Everybody's attentive on this. And you know what we're black squares in june or you know hashtags are now nuance takes have guessed and see how tired time. That's can't find anybody who who's been for this war that's lasted for twenty years. All of that is to say. It seems like we're all to blame for this. And i don't. I don't think that's helpful really the blame argument. I guess here's a house because yeah there's a whole public opinion piece of this that you could unpack right. Which is it and i. I agree with the criticism of the surge in but part of the tension of that moment. Was that you had a unified military and kind of totally unified national security apparatus from bob gates to hillary clinton to the us military just kind of punditocracy that we're seeing now that seems to love these wars almost like shaking obama by the lapels in two thousand nine. You have to search you have to surge and then you have public opinion. That's like hey there's just a financial crisis like the last thing on earth we wanna be doing spending more money afghanistan and that does account for what you describe which was caught in the middle where you're surging but you're trying to lower expectations for how long you can surge and you send that kind of mixed message. The alternative wasn't an option of just saying. Yeah we're gonna we're gonna have over one hundred thousand troops in afghanistan definitely not something that was politically even feasible and so public opinion did play a role here. I think the bigger problem. I've thought a lot about this a lot in an idea. What i kind of unpack this in in my book. We were promised like huge victories. After nine eleven like the member of the rhetoric of bush. It was like this is going to be like what we're twos and we like the cold war. This is a generational struggle time. They're going to be on the dustbin of history. And so i think. Americans got kind of accustomed to particular on the right. If you watch fox news. In the bush years you were always. On the doorstep of some some transformative military victory in bush churchill and and the democrats were the the wusses. And i think the reality by the time certainly by the time obama came in but i think probably by two and four is that we weren't going to win these wars in any traditional sense. You know there wasn't going to be some surrender in iraq afghanistan. There wasn't going to be some pluralistic democracy. That welcomed american presidents without insurgencies happening in the country. And i think in the public opinion side like trumpism is very interesting because on the one hand. People don't want to accept the premise. That america won't win a war but they they don't wanna fight the war. Either you know. And that that is an incredibly complicated dynamic. And i think what it led to is all the animists ginned up against al qaeda and radical islam. And all the rest of it become became portable and it's like nahla direct at animus add immigrants at the southern border or a black president or antifa or whoever it is right and and so trump is in kinda repurpose all that xenophobic energy elsewhere and people kind of like stop paying attention because he want to pay attention to words that we weren't winning and so then when this thing pops up again it's like oh yeah that's right. We didn't win the wars. Let's figure out who to attack for that. Yeah and i. I want to say on the record like i supported the surge like the surge in afghanistan retrospect like i read that wrong right like it. Also like you it the surge was what led me to realize. This is not gonna work and it's time to wind this down but i- enthusiastically supported it. Because i was thinking to myself at the time like you know. I was only a few years removed from being there. Where we when we definitely did not have enough people on the ground and our per capita casualty rate was high and i can remember you know doing our mission to jalalabad from kabul where we were supposed to have helicopters and we had to drive over the road and j bad road is just not a road. You wanna drive. And i wasn't like bitter about that but it was anecdotes like that that i remembered where people are saying. Well we can't take because most of this researchers are in iraq and so in my head. I'm going like well. Let's see what would happen if we had the resources we should have had in the first place. But that's a good example. Like i was wrong. There's just so much. This is such a hard word. Nobody's ever it's a war once you start a word nobody's gonna be right. Yeah and i also want to add like the one person like i will. I will blame until i die. Is donald rumsfeld like just for the for the for the record and it's a quick story about that. I can remember being in my bunk in my little safehouse in afghanistan and One of my roommates Bunk mates in their shook me awake in the night and i thought we get mortar. Guys getting ready to roll under the under the buck. And he shook me awake to say jason rummy resigned like i mean it was just so people understand how angry we were rumsfeld. Like sleep was hard to come by. And i was in no way irritated that i was woken up from being asleep to learn that news and he knew i wouldn't be upset about it right so anyway. We'll just blame him for sure and then everybody else can have some too. Jason.

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"afghanistan" Discussed on Majority 54

Majority 54

05:31 min | 1 year ago

"afghanistan" Discussed on Majority 54

"That did happen. And i do want to say something like we'll get this later. I'm sure like. I don't like hearing biden talk about them not fighting because i'm aware that from two thousand fourteen on we were asking them. Hey you guys are in the league now. And that's when they started really taking casualties and so we get to a point. i think. All things equal obama's goal was to end this by the end of his presidency. Part of what happens. Is you have the rise of isis around two thousand fourteen and fifteen and you get kind of far more hyperbolic warnings about the risk of an isis presence in in south asia. And so we get down to about ten thousand troops at the end of the obama administration and we had meanings about whether or not to two zero and the military the state department. You know the national security team large was that we warning that if we did that this would happen. What we're seeing now would happen and that there was also this kind of counter terrorism vices and obama determined look. I'm at the end of my presidency. Given the choice between like doing this difficult thing of totally withdrawing leaving that to my successor or maintaining some minimal presence in letting my successor decide what to do. He chose the latter. So that's why. I mean it's a very short reason. A short description of y. You know the this Wants a surge was pursued. And you get to that many troops you know the it takes take years to draw down and and and so i think to me i think the surge in retrospect was a mistake. I don't think we needed that. That large of a plus up at least would that expensive emission but But but that. I think is why this didn't get done by the end of the presidency. And then trump gets talked into surging mini surge by his and mcmaster and mattis. And so that you know here we you know what you. You made a great point that i hadn't thought about much the last few days which in two thousand fourteen period is when you began to see the rise of of isis in afghanistan. And i kind of even. I had forgotten about that the debt that extended that first mission it absolutely became a question of whether or not we were going to allow. Maybe it's not all kedah but it's they're ugly cousin isis to To now use. It is a sanctuary and a platform from which to to commit international terrorism. I mean it's a great point. It i really what i'm driving at here for listeners. Is that there seems to be in. It's normal for people to want a couple of things. They want to have a very simple understanding of of a twenty year war. And they wanna know who to blame and let's be honest like our listeners. Wanna know what republican to blame and right and him and it's just not that simple this this crossed over four presidents and it is a series of ridiculously hard choices Where we have to be honest and look back and go. Yeah a lot of cases. These were the wrong choices but but we cannot have a revisionist history that says and everybody knew at the time. this is not a rack. There's not whether to invade iraq. Oh i'd say two things jayson like first of all the only thing i'd offer in the simplistic one. Which is because i think your listeners. You're probably not that dissimilar from mind. They looked at trump. I mean look at the basic original sin here was when we went in under bush and we toppled the taliban and began to put out caught on the run. I don't think you are. I would have thought at that time that this is a nation building exercise. I think we all thought we were going to go and take out these people who did this thing to us and if they ever come back we're going to kill our one hundred percent what i thought. Yeah and so in that we could have been home by the first quarter of two thousand and two and instead there's this kind of made in the cube ristic moment that bush found himself in this imperial moment for honest about it of no. No we're going to set up this government and this is about nation building and and then to have made that decision to bite off that much in afghanistan to say. Oh but by the way we're just gonna go invade this other country that's going to be our primary focus. That's going to be where we surge most of our resources. Most of our troops are black attention. And we're just gonna kinda hope. This thing works out over here with a fraction of the resources. We that's it. I mean like if you're looking for something to blame and look people shouldn't blame the obama or obama's administration or trump or his administration binders. There's blame to go around to everybody. Involved there's twenty or a exercise so i'm not suggesting that that to lead us off the hook. I do think though that when history is written like that initial decision to nation build and then the almost concurrent decision to invade nation building a different place. It's so logical because by the time we come in there's a resilient taliban insurgency the die had been somewhat cast and we're basically just dealing with bad and worse choices From then on and over the past few days. I've been cataloguing all the different people who've been blamed at various points for this and you know and a lot of these are valid. So you know you have the fact that we kind of whiffed. On getting bin laden at tora bora we didn't accept the taliban surrender and december two thousand one which seemed like a it was a pivotal moment. We made the decision to nation build..

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"afghanistan" Discussed on Majority 54

Majority 54

06:19 min | 1 year ago

"afghanistan" Discussed on Majority 54

"With tommy vitor pod state the world. He's msnbc contributor. He worked for president obama in the foreign policy and national security space. He's the author of the book after the fall being american in the world. We've made and he's very nice to join us on short notice so ben. Thanks for coming on of prominent all jason. Thanks to have the space for a conversation i think we should start with this basic disclaimer. That i'm sure we all agree with the withdrawal of forces from afghanistan right. Yeah yes yes. I think it's necessary to say that front because it seems that there is an effort honestly a lot of it from i think the by administration i understand why to sort of frame criticism of this moment as it's either you're gonna leave forces in or you're not and obviously the reason we're having this conversation as it goes a lot deeper than that. I'm curious to start been from your perspective working on this windy. You feel like you really came to the conclusion of this is not gonna work and we should not be there anymore like how long ago. Okay question. I thought a lot about the last couple of days in the moment when i had the realization. Not that we were going to get out right away so just to to caveat. I don't suggests it as soon as this occurred to me. I thought all forces should leave. But the moment i began to have some real trepidation about the more expensive mission in afghanistan was after the surge that obama ordered. Remember the operation marsha So this was supposed to be kind of almost a demonstration case of what could be done with a counterinsurgency strategy in afghanistan in crystal general mcchrystal. Was you know. Watch what we do here. When show the model for how we can go in and clear an area and begin to build some capacity among the afghans in transition things to them and basically what ended up happening is every stage that operation in which our servicemembers obviously performed capably heroically Was really hard you know it was. It was hard to dislodge the taliban it was hard to get any kind of sense of an afghan governing authority. There were serious challenges with the kind of model. How do you develop a different kind of economy from the kind of drug based economy that that the taliban preyed upon and i just remember thinking that this is a relatively small population center in southern afghanistan. If the idea which was what the military is kinda pitch was around the surge of of taking a counterinsurgency strategy like this around the entire country. I mean the scale of what was required to do that. Bruce's kind of what i saw in this kind of in miniature operation. Marsha just occurred to me. There's just no way that we could sustain that effort. Even if it could succeed it would require even far more resources than had been ordered in with the surge over a pretty open ended a period of time. That's when for me personally really hit home. That like look. We have a space in afghanistan to be able to conduct a terrorism mission and and very aggressively did in the first obama term to degrade al qaeda particularly pakistan so afghanistan is almost platform to get at the challenge book pakistan but this broader mission of pacifying the entire country defeating the taliban militarily and building up a governing authority. I think you know for me. It was actually ironically the height of the surge. When i realized that i just don't think that is a is either an achievable or sustainable mission. I think it's right around the same time for. Maybe because i think that was paired with that is the annual alluded to this is the recognition that the initial objective of denying the safe haven for terrorism had been achieved at that point. That's right around the point where we think we relocated and go okay. That's not really in doubt anymore. Proof of that was that they were having to move their operations to that sort of lawless section of pakistan. Because because they couldn't operate in a way where they could play international terrorist attacks. And in fact i mean pakistan had become an external sanctuary for launching attacks in afghanistan at that point so i agree and and then what anybody listening to this. This thinking is one. Then how the hell did we end up there for so much longer. And i don't fully have the answer to that. But it kind of taps into the part where i get a little angry not anybody in particular but it's angry because i realize that ultimately the answer to that i think is americans in the last week have rediscovered that we've been at war in afghanistan really long time and they're kind of mad to find that out and that just pisses me off jason. Yeah i guess. I can kind of walk. Here's sir how why. I think we're still there. And look i on the spectrum of obama advisers. I don't think it would surprise. People that will number when i wasn't like calling shots on the fan. But but insofar as over the period of the eight obama years. I was kind of becoming more senior. I was usually on the spectrum arguing for withdrawal. I think you essentially if you think about this. Were were peaking at about one hundred thousand troops through the surge which kind of culminates in the spring of two thousand eleven. And that's really the the effort you know obama's logic and because you identify the we're afghanistan. It's almost helpful. The thing of it is to wars right like there's the war to deny a safe haven a terrorist into gun. Give the united states at very large platform in south asia. To be able to go after al-qaeda a particularly in pakistan as well as in afghanistan and then there's this war to build up afghan security forces and afghan governor authority and to kind of degrade the taliban sufficiently that an afghan government can survive and so the surge is the height of both of those efforts. Because it's both the the highest pace of the effort to go. After the al qaeda safe haven which obviously reaches its crescendo with the operation to take out osama bin laden in the spring of two thousand eleven and the height of our efforts to kind of Support an enhanced governing authority and then obama begins a drawdown in june twenty eleven and the whole theory of the draw down. We're gonna train up. These afghan security forces and transition to them in two thousand fourteen was the moment in which the afghans we're going to move into the lead for most of the fighting in the country..

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"afghanistan" Discussed on Hacks on Tap with David Axelrod and Mike Murphy

Hacks on Tap with David Axelrod and Mike Murphy

03:16 min | 1 year ago

"afghanistan" Discussed on Hacks on Tap with David Axelrod and Mike Murphy

"Hue and cry that you'll hear i think it's You know your tug to this emotionally. I certainly am is about human rights. It's about those young women who have experienced a different kind of life in the last twenty years Who now are subject to being thrown back to the dark ages and so on You know about this summary executions and sharia law and all of that but yeah as you point out. We can't and biden pointed out. I think he you know perhaps to bluntly in in an interview or a press conference. Recently there are lots of places in the world where there are grave injustices going on. We can't them all with the us military or the state department or us aid or slide shows or anything else people choose to be the people they are and that's a hard thing but it. It is a reality and we keep trying to fight that at great cost. But you're not surprised though because you're a reagan republican that the you one of the hallmarks of reaganism was we are a beacon. We are a beacon to the world we are the force we are a beacon of light of for democracy And you know. I guess my question is how do we. How do we leverage that. And how do we have credibility when we say or do we say trump said. Hey you run your countries the way you want to run them and we don't have any business we you know navali. You're on your own You know everyone's on their own. We're gonna take care of our own national interests and that's just the way the world works. Is that what we're are. We willing to accept that. And if not what is the half way well that that's the hard thing it's the gravid you know we've always had this will sonian instinct. Which doesn't always work on the other hand. We don't want to be real. We don't wanna be the romans Yeah nuke afghanistan problem solve You know so. The the question is the middle and i think part of its cultural awareness. It is harder. We ought to know more about where we go you know. Afghanistan is except for metropolitan kabul not very cosmopolitan not western civilization and they're organized killing infidels and we're infidels on the other hand saving east germany and behind the iron curtain eastern europe. Right up our alley because something to work with their and we just gotta be hard minded about it. I'm not trying to revert back the partisan corners here. But i think this is where this this is where the real deconstruction of what trump did and didn't do is gonna come to bear because you david asked this question. Precipice on what leverage we and that leverage much of that leverage if not all of it dissipated in what what trump concoct there wasn't a conditions based withdrawal. There wasn't he wanted to buy a phony piece You know the the you wanted to be auto the re election that everybody was coming home and quite frankly wanted everyone to probably come home either. Before the election announced long before the election everyone would be would be home by december. So i worry greatly.

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"afghanistan" Discussed on Hacks on Tap with David Axelrod and Mike Murphy

Hacks on Tap with David Axelrod and Mike Murphy

06:33 min | 1 year ago

"afghanistan" Discussed on Hacks on Tap with David Axelrod and Mike Murphy

"Hey pull up a chair. Attacks on tap with david. Axelrod robert gibbs and mike murphy ask the fourth american treasury tra- preside over warrant afghanistan to democrats to republicans. I will not pass this response responsible. Fifth president i will not mislead the american people by claiming the just a little more time in. Afghanistan will make all the difference nor will i shrink from my share responsibility for where we are today and how we must move forward from here. I am president of the united states of america. And the buck stops with me. Kind of murphy. Kind of the buck stops with him. I thought you know he. He made a persuasive case on why he felt. We should get out of afghanistan. He didn't make very Persuasive presentation about how we or getting out of afghanistan and the serb dessel tori way. Were getting out of it And so this is such a big thing this story that we had to all get together and bring brother gibbs in as well. yeah now. this is an al-haq sun deck Situation near look. I think he broke. I thought the speech was mediocre and clumsy. He broke the first rule of presidential big moment. Emergency speeches which is the key point. You gotta make should not be so far into the speech that have some listeners. Holding their breath they will be dead by the time it comes around so this should have started with him taking responsibility for this moment on his watch then he can back up and litigate. The bigger question of should we be in afghanistan why he accepted the trump plan to to pull out. But but there there needed to be much more ownership at the front and he punted on that made the whole speech defensive and political and i think he hurt his case. He's the situation where he needs to make a better case. It'd be a good moment early on the show disagree. I think we all agree that the withdraw particularly what we've seen over the past. Several months highlighted in the past week has been polit I i don't even say that there was a lack of planning. Because i'm not even sure there was a planning It doesn't look like it. I thought the speech was effective because while there are a lot of pictures right now about the withdraw to be the more important thing and the more politically salient thing is the idea. That biden has long wanted to get out of there believed the idea of nation building that you could create some civil society in a democracy and have a security force that protected all of it was a giant fantasy and that is what quite frankly. Most of the people in america agree with him on. So i thought i wish he would have taken more responsibility. He got to it And maybe that earlier in the speech. But i thought the both important part of the speech was to reiterate that we can't be there any lauck jet look i think. He scored on that I i you know. And i thought we can go through some of the some of the clips And we should of him making that case but the thing that people were watching on television. The thing that we're experiencing right now And it may. This moment may pass they. May you know although it seems pretty. Clear that if you're not a at the airport in in kabul right now you may be. Sol in terms of getting out of the country You know but so to not to not say you know. I said yesterday On the tube. That jeff k after the bay of pigs said Victory has a thousand fathers Defeat is an orphan. I am the responsible officer of this government. And you know what he actually benefited from that politically he. His numbers went up. Because people say there's a guy taking responsibility and so you know he was biden was a a he was. The buck stopped at his desk on the decision. Which i you know we can we. Should we should talk about that. I think it was the right decision politically. i think. It was the right decision on policy difficult though it it may be but he was a buck passer when it came to the The way in which this all came down. And you know it was trump's fault it was the Afghans foul all which was true but it happened on his watch. Any stood up in front of the country in april and said. This isn't how it was going to go down yet did succeed. This speech has to be as to talk about afghanistan. But it's about him in this moment and that's where opening the speech by owning up in a clear noninvasive way would have done a lot of good instead he's going. I agree of gibbs. He he's going to the poll numbers which are yeah. People wanna be out of afghanistan some forty or civil war. We've been there for twenty years. We have a huge pile of leadership failures. There i might add. We have thousands of aerobic americans who fought an absolute guide and bled there and they deserve nothing. But i respect because none of this failure was. There's it was the boys. At the top with the stars on the shoulders and oval offices and experts national security end in the intelligence community who had a multi year. Screw up. and there's some good histories coming out. There's a new one in particular And so by needed to own his part of it which is right now because somebody decided not to fortify kabul before somebody side to trust the taliban And we were unprepared and you know. That's the buck stops with them tag. That on the end of the speeches and also ran. That should have been the lead in that. That was his mistake. And this thing politically. It's not it's bad now. those are those are jimmy. Carter helicopter crash benghazi images on steroids but the futures. What's really going to determine because this you know biden. This guy ran as i've been around foreign policy for forty five years. I know what to do. His narrative is now being shoved over to the former defense secretary biden critic gates version of..

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"afghanistan" Discussed on Part of the Problem

Part of the Problem

01:57 min | 1 year ago

"afghanistan" Discussed on Part of the Problem

"Way actually tried to attack the west. They just wanna do some heroin and fox and little boys. They'll they'll stick themselves. They want to rule afghanistan. You know that's martha stewart show on the taliban network but that And so it's it's just this is this is the there's just no justification in. There never was for for us to be involved in war there and as far as all of these kind of like post hoc justifications that are that are coming out now like look. It's it might be really terrible the way little girls are treated there and terrible. The way little boys are treated their terrible the way lots of adults are treated there. But that's true in a lot of parts of the world and that is not adjusted vacation for us to go on a twenty year war spend trillions of dollars and thousands of lives on it. Then you know all those people it's like if you if you think it is worth that then you you can go. Just don't advocate forcing other people's kids to go. That's that's my My take on it. I also do think even though you are right to some degree that the narrative is not exactly that this war was a was a great success and we just had to stay in bought the. Because i think even that they they realize just to a bridge too far to to sell to anyone paying attention i can. Let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show which is bambi when running a business. Hr issues can kill you. Wrongful termination suits minimum wage requirements labor regulations and hr manager's salaries are not cheap an average of seventy thousand dollars a year. Bambi spelled b. a. m. b. e. was created specifically for small businesses. You can get a dedicated. Hr manager craft hr policy and maintain.

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