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Fresh update on "afghanistan" discussed on Morning Edition
"Slash get lit This is morning edition from NPR news I'm Scott detro And I'm Steve inskeep The United States ended a 20 year war in Afghanistan over the summer Its duty to the veterans of that war will not end for decades So this week we questioned President Biden's choice as secretary of veterans affairs Dennis McDonough medicine and office that overlooks The White House His agency's job is to work with up to 19 million living American veterans of many wars I have one job here right Let's take care of the vets Full stop And after 20 years of war the agency is under pressure to deliver even though it is the largest health network in the United States It offers healthcare disability benefits and burials Its services also include counseling and mental health which some veterans needed as the U.S. withdrew from Afghanistan In some instances in an intensification of distress because of the images And that's veterans across eras Vietnam era veterans younger veterans post 9 11 veterans You're saying even people who did not serve in Afghanistan Correct We've heard that some of the imagery and some of the stories from Afghanistan impacted them So they sat in intensification of services from us Are you able to get mental healthcare in a timely manner to everybody who needs it In general the answer to that question Steve is yes But there's inevitably going to be pockets where vets have to wait too long McDonough says he heard about one such veteran on NPR This week our colleague quill Lawrence described a military couple Her husband has struggled on and off for nearly ten years since he was wounded in a deadly attack in southern Afghanistan He's got survivor's guilt At least once he's come close to suicide But last month when he reached out to the VA for an initial psychiatric evaluation the soonest appointment was in March next year And so it's kind of amazing to me that now looking at a system that's supposed to be so helpful Is backlogged 6 months for an initial intake for somebody who has documented suicidal issues And they reached out to the VA for help and were offered an appointment in March For something that is obviously urgent Yeah so I listened closely to their parting It is urgent And we feel like that overall cross system average is if we have an urgent referral we're meeting those urgent referrals and under two days You said in their pockets where it's not working You mean regions of the country where I mean that inevitably I fear that there's places where there's a wait time that's longer I mean that's the law of averages a but B I just worry in fact this is my principal worry in this job to make sure that vets get care on a timely basis I won't rest in this job and tell that happens across the board which is why I so distressed to hear quill's story and why we're working hard to try to make sure that we can get in touch with that vet I want people to know if they don't that this agency is wrestling with people who've reported respiratory ailments that they believe are connected to burn pits in Iraq and Afghanistan I feel like this is an issue that some people will know painfully well and other people will not know it all Would you define the problem as you see it Yeah since 1991 we've been having military personnel In and out of a region that stretches really let's say from Somalia up to Uzbekistan And all the countries in between Iraq Afghanistan refer to We've had vets come home with ailments that they believe And their doctors have told them are a result of toxic exposures that they were subjected to during that 30 year period That's just burning trash on military bases One example is burning trash Other pollution or just sand I think it's a failing of the United States government That it took until now That anybody in that 30 year window has gotten any payment or benefits for the maladies that they've suffered in the meantime This is not a small matter a quarter of a million veterans have reported some exposure to airborne hazards overseas Last summer for the first time the VA began presuming that some veterans illnesses like asthma may be linked to the air they breathed overseas That makes it easier to receive disability benefits and care But the agency has yet to document a scientific link to far more serious conditions were now adding science from the Department of Defense from the Department of Labor from NIH from HHS from organizations like the firefighters So that we can with urgency see if we can't establish connection to these other conditions I know you were hearing from activists who were saying why are you not acting on what they know what they've experienced Military times reported the story of a woman she was a veteran She was trying to stay healthy and Fallujah rock so she went running daily around a burn pit and had a Doctor Who was aware that this might be an issue and said you should get tested early for breast cancer and she had stage four breast cancer at the age of 38 which is remarkably young.
Psaki Defends Biden for Violating DC Mask Mandate: 'Let's Not Focus on a Moment in Time'
"But here are some good ones. Moment in time shock you said, what a joke. Everything is a moment in time. Breaking a mask mandate moment in time, leaving people stranded in Afghanistan. Moment in time. Bringing the country to its knees, moment in time. But the Democrats moment in time is running out. 2022, 2024, getting closer and closer. Let's go
Fresh update on "afghanistan" discussed on Morning Edition
"Withdrew from Afghanistan In some instances in intensification of distress because of the images And that's veterans across eras Vietnam era veterans younger veterans post 9 11 veterans You're saying even people who did not serve in Afghanistan Correct we've heard that some of the imagery and some of the stories from Afghanistan impacted them So they sat an intensification of services from us Are you able to get mental healthcare in a timely manner to everybody who needs it In general the answer to that question Steve is yes But there's inevitably going to be pockets where vets have to wait too long McDonough says he heard about one such veteran on NPR This week our colleague quill Lawrence described a military couple Her husband has struggled on and off for nearly ten years since he was wounded in a deadly attack in southern Afghanistan He's got survivors guilt At least once he's come close to suicide But last month when he reached out to the VA for an initial psychiatric evaluation the soonest appointment was in March next year And so it's kind of amazing to me that now looking at a system that's supposed to be so helpful Is backlogged 6 months for an initial intake for somebody who has documented suicidal issues And they reached out to the VA for help and were offered an appointment in March For something that is obviously urgent Yeah so I listened closely to their parting It is urgent And we feel like that overall cross system average is if we have an urgent referral we're meeting those urgent referrals and under two days You said in their pockets where it's not working You mean regions of the country where I mean that inevitably I fear that there's places where there's a wait time that's longer I mean that's the law of averages a but B I just worry in fact this is my principal worry in this job to make sure that vets get care on a timely basis I won't rest in this job and tell that happens across the board which is why I so distressed to hear quill's story and why we're working hard to try to make sure that we can get in touch with that vet I want people to know if they don't that this agency is wrestling with people who've reported respiratory ailments that they believe are connected to burn pits in Iraq and Afghanistan I feel like this is an issue that some people will know painfully well and other people will not know it all Would you define the problem as you see it Yeah since 1991 we had been having military personnel In and out of a region that stretches really let's say from Somalia up to Uzbekistan And all the countries in between Iraq Afghanistan Refer to We've had vets come home with ailments that they believe and their doctors have told them are a result of toxic exposures that they were subjected to during that 30 year period It's just burning trash on military bases One example is burning trash Other pollution or just sand I think it's a failing of the United States government That it took until now That anybody in that 30 year window has gotten any payment or benefits for the maladies that they've suffered in the meantime This is not a small matter a quarter of a million veterans have reported some exposure to airborne hazards overseas Last summer for the first time the VA began presuming that some veterans illnesses like asthma may be linked to the air they breathed overseas That makes it easier to receive disability benefits and care But the agency has yet to document a scientific link to far more serious conditions We're now adding science from the Department of Defense from the Department of Labor from NIH from HHS from organizations like the firefighters So that we can with urgency see if we can establish connection to these other conditions I know you are hearing from activists who are saying why are you not acting on what they know what they've experienced Military times reported the story of a woman she was a veteran She was trying to stay healthy in Fallujah rock so she went running daily around a burn pit and had a Doctor Who was aware that this might be an issue and said you should get tested early for breast cancer and she had stage four breast cancer at the age of 38 which is remarkably young And it's heartbreaking You must have heard many stories like this You know I think we all have Steve We all have friends who have served in Iraq and Afghanistan Almost to a person they tell me it was three months 6 months Before they felt like they could actually breathe normally again when they'd work out for example and they'd run And so what I found when I got here is the existing way of making those decisions was too narrow And sufficiently urgent insufficiently publicly responsive I've tried to answer those three charges Are we getting signs from additional places Are we recognizing that there may be a wider array of conditions associated with service and are we doing this on an urgent basis consistent with a 38 year old woman in stage four breast cancer who is not afforded the luxury of time for us to consider these things And if she came to you right now you would have to tell her no that is not a qualifying If she came to us and if she applied if she filed a claim we would adjudicate that claim It would not be presumptively considered to be connected I'm hoping we can get to the point where it is presumptively considered connected.
Fox News' Dana Perino Remembers Colin Powell
"Dana perino, of course, served under George W Bush, new Colin Powell, shed the following on Fox News. But yes, I've long admired him. I remember all edge during the Gulf War. What this man is very impressive. And then the fact that I actually got to meet him and work with him, work under him, really, as the Secretary of State, it is just remarkable as ainsley as you were reading the statement and talking about his life in the previous segment in the previous interview. You realize that this man was such a man of consequence. And a consummate public servant, serving all of those years. And I was surprised to read. He was 84. Because in many ways, to me, he was ageless. In addition to all of the amazing work that he did as a military leader, one thing that people might not remember is he started an organization called America's promise. And that really encouraged civic engagement and volunteer work. And there was a little red wagon logo, and I'm a good friend as a race sale who had worked for president George H. W. Bush, then worked in his office and correspondence. And she would tell me such amazing stories about him. And then fast forward. I remember as a deputy press secretary standing in the back of the room, the east room one day and there was a, I believe it was Karzai, who achman Karzai from Afghanistan was giving a speech. And I was standing in the back of the room and Colin Powell just happened to be next to me. And I remember being very impressed by augment caramelized speech. And I said something to Colin Powell I said, wow. He is a very impressive. And Colin Powell gave me advice that I've lived with ever since, and he said, Dana, just beware of people who might be want to be dictators who speak very good English. And that was so interesting. But if you think about all the leaders that we've seen, come up through the ranks that America likes to support and then unfortunately turns out to be somebody that you question in the end. I would also say that he was a great stature. The way that he conducted himself, I really commend his books to people out there, young people who are looking to learn about leadership. He really was a consummate professional. Dana perino, who served in the Bush administration, reflected on the passing of general Colin
Fresh update on "afghanistan" discussed on The Larry Elder Show
"Governor's race? The capital T and that rhymes with PNS tens for pool. Holy Shirley got trouble. 56% of independents say the country's worse off today than it was a year ago. And I think what we're watching in terms of seeing in terms of the disarray, President Biden has dug up more snakes than he can kill. He made all these promises. He said, I'm a moderate. He's not. He's given him to the woke left. He said first, he said the infrastructure Bill is not connected to the spending orgy Bill. And now we know that it is. And the woke leftists in his party are refusing to advance the infrastructure Bill until they pass the spending orgy Bill and the less woke left is still but not quite as woke as the left woke after our disagreeing with that. And their and disarray. And meanwhile, the American people are looking at this with their mouths open. And they're going my God. These people do not trust me to make decisions for myself. They think that they really think Biden and the woke left, they think that America can't can't survive unless President Biden and the woke left make every single decision for Americans about how to run their lives. That's what this bill is about. It is going to extend the federal government into every corner of every American's life. And that's why the president's poll numbers are dropping in my opinion. And we still have Americans stuck in Afghanistan former Secretary of Defense Robert Gates. It was really tough. For a few days there, I actually wasn't feeling very well. And I realized it was because of what was happening. In Kabul, and I was just so low about the way it had ended, if you will. And I guess the other feeling that I had was that it probably did not need to have turned out that way. Gates is a holdover from George W. Bush became Barack Obama's first Secretary of Defense. And Gates remember said this about Joe Biden. Still, I think he's been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security.
Pope decries attacks in Norway, Afghanistan and England
"Pope Francis has denounced recent attacks around the world calling for an end to violence UT last week many attacks took place such as the No Way Afghanistan in England I express my closeness to the victims' families them thank you so he's a gun in the house was fine and the pipe space when Williamson some P. to scrap his customary Sunday remarks some blessings delivered from a window of the apostolate palace in Norway a bow and arrow attack claimed five lives in a suicide bombing carried out by the Islamic state in Afghanistan killed over forty five people in England a British lawmaker who was meeting at the church with some of his constituents with basically stabbed the
Fresh update on "afghanistan" discussed on Afternoon News with Tom Glasgow and Elisa Jaffe
"And noxzema is raising prices The cost of everyday items made by Unilever is going up because chief executive Alan joke said they're costing more to make We continue to see inflation with the cost of many commodities up sharply versus a year ago Retailers and wholesalers often eat the increases themselves Not this time said Unilever's grand Pitt Catholic Consumer facing price is the last lever we normally use to manage inflation But we have landed list price increases around the world Supply chain disruption and its consequences for consumers He expected to persist into the first half of next year Aaron katersky ABC News New York The United Nations finds a way to get cash flowing to the people of Afghanistan United Nations saying it has set up a special trust fund to provide urgently needed cash to the people of Afghanistan through a system Tapping into donor funds frozen since the Taliban takeover last August The goal is to provide Afghan households with enough to survive this winter and remain in their homeland the UN estimates some 97% of Afghan households could be living below the poverty line by mid 2022 In as delicate ABC News at the foreign debt German transportation company flicks mobility is buying Greyhound bus operations in the U.S. the purchase price is a $140 million in cash plus another 32 million to be paid in installment flex bus global operates in 36 countries outside the U.S. This is ABC News Stay connected stay informed 20 minutes of nonstop news continues on komo news 1000 FM 97 7 And good evening downtown Seattle temperature believe it or not 70 we have 63 at sea tac airport with its very unusual warm air continuing around the puget sound area It's 6 O four In Tacoma a shooting involving three people at least confirmed dead in just a moment But first let's get to Tama Fulton with a check on our traffic on the force from the juven law group traffic center That's got to be involving the traffic right now Tama around Everett street in Tacoma Yes that's right It is affecting lots of traffic through that area These are asking that you stay away from that area This is it Everett avenue at east 42nd street Several people involved in that police activity that shooting So I'm sure you'll have more information for us But yes it is affecting traffic through that area There still is some slowing through the fight area in south down 5 just south of 54th avenue of that earlier crash scene has cleared traffic is very heavy from enchanted Parkway We have a fallen power cables in the gram area door found highway one 61 that's meridian at 200 street east That's in the roadway causing a backup from 213th street also traffic signals up in the pulpit military and canyon and it's causing a heavy southbound back up in canyon road Also in the shoreline area power lines down there as well 25th Avenue northeast is blocked in both directions between Dorothy's one 75th and northeast one 78th street I'm Fulton a couple of traffic This update on traffic sponsored by all city fans locally owned and operated since 1953 now serving snohomish county also defense dot com and the putrid sound forecast easterly winds easing tonight as The Rain moves in We'll have an overnight low about 50 tomorrow rain at times possibly some thunderstorms passing through and mid 50s staying in the mid 50s all weekend long with rain at times Downtown Seattle.
When We Make Decisions Based on Diversity Instead of Competency, America Suffers
"That when we start to organize society, or when we start to make decisions based on things that people can not change versus on things they can change such as diversity or skin color, not competency and excellence, then all of a sudden you're going to start to see society suffer because of it. And a great example of this is what happened in Afghanistan, which I think we've forgot about way too quickly. What happened in Afghanistan was a publican international humiliation where we gave $85 billion to the Taliban. We gave up the Bagram air base. The sacrifices of so many military members went for not. And let me be very clear. I was all for ending the war in Afghanistan. But if all of a sudden I said, hey, you know, you're the kidney that gets removed. You take out a pocket knife and you start to do, like, that's not a good idea, okay? Go to a professional who knows what they're doing. There's a good way and a bad way to do something that needs to be done. And getting out of Afghanistan, Robinson, hey, let's arm the enemy, give the embassy up, not patrol the air base, Americans are stranded for months on end, give China the upper hand with the entire evacuation, give up the strategic air base. And the reason in the opinion of, I think anyone looks at it objectively, is that the head of the United States military, Mark milley along with Lloyd Austin and Joe Biden, if you consider him to be the head of anything, which is, which is, they were testifying in front of Congress back in June, saying that the existential threat to America was white rage, and that we're not going to apologize for implementing critical race theory diversity equity inclusion or this sort of new history into the military. Into the military of all places. The military that by definition, every person here should want the military to be a place where competency ranks that you don't land the plane, your national security is at risk. You're not able to eliminate the enemy, your national security is at risk. Should all of a sudden, we'd be worrying about these arbitrary academic exercises of diversity equity inclusion or saying, hey, we have the greatest fighting force in the history of the world, probably not worth messing that up for some sort of esoteric abstract academic
Fresh update on "afghanistan" discussed on America First with Sebastian Gorka Podcast
"Like 90% and I'm not blaming the victim. But I want men are tough and Roth. Right. And you can't take that away because that's what they do in combat to succeed. I don't be moan any of them, but I never put myself in a situation where I helped enable it. I guess, it's not supposed to happen. I shouldn't be penalized. But I was just very professional and I was very blessed to get off base early because they had no room at the barracks, and I had to get housing allowance. And I think that was the biggest thing that saved me. Mind you, I could never get my I was living payday to payday broke all the time. But it kept me out of those barracks, kept me out of a situation where I could have thought well I got to fit in. Yeah. But I picked up rank quickly because I was smart. I paid attention, I got married totally promoted to Corporal and Sargent. And my parents needless to say, my father who was so upset at me at 17 didn't speak to me for almost ten years. 89 years. I didn't go home again till late 20s and he was hanging he now hangs the Marine Corps flag in front of the house. And it's as if none of that nonsense ever happened when I was 17. I mean, I have to say look, I love them all and I've worked with them all as the closest, the longest time is with the guys the brotherhood at brag, but the marines especially different. And I knew it day one. So I rolled up in Quantico crossroads of the Marine Corps. I'm on the faculty of the university as the chair of military theory. And it's day one. And I mean, I'm in a classroom teaching O four zo 5s, O 6s. And, you know, I'm teaching kind of terrorism and irregular warfare. And I do my shtick and I do my spiel to start the conversation going. And instantly. And I mean instantly. There's no kind of sitting there quietly and deferential. It is pushed back. I mean, it's all respectful. But it is. Well, what about this professor? And I tell you what it was one of the funnest first opening sessions of any course I've ever taught. So God bless the devil dogs, the leathernecks. Tell us a little bit more about your career. So where did you serve and what we saw? So you know, I'm often asked and I just want people to be sensitive to this. I'm often asked, oh, so did you do overseas? And which is always code for did you go to Iraq or Afghanistan? And I want civilians to appreciate that not all of us do go. I did not go to a rock or Afghanistan, my commands did. I had been in position where I didn't deploy there. However, I moved 9 times in 20 years. I did four tours to Okinawa. I'm sorry. I did a lot of fuel time and I trained like I was gonna go to combat. But you have to be aware that when you're asking somebody that question, there's a lot of survivors guild so to speak and non deployed guilt, we all have that feeling. At the end of the day, also remember this, just because somebody did go to a rock or Afghanistan doesn't mean they were even in a combat role. The majority of them are behind the wire in a secure setting. The bulk of them, but they get the props of now being the Iraq or Afghanistan van. I tip my hat to those infantrymen every single day and if they God bless them if they can do 20 years because I get the same retirement check that they do, yet they had to probably suffer and really endure far more than I ever will see. So when they say that the military, this is all about equal opportunity. I would say that sometimes, maybe that has gone a bridge too far because the reality is, is that the men and women who literally put their lives on the line for this country has sacrificed far more..
Dozens killed in suicide attack at mosque in southern Afghanistan
"The Islamic state group claimed responsibility for a deadly suicide bombing on a Shiite mosque in southern Afghanistan that killed forty seven people and wounded scores more relatives have laid the bodies of the victims to rest and called on the Taliban to protect them I said in a statement posted late Friday on social media the two of the group's members shot and killed security guards manning the entrance of the foot to my mosque in Kandahar province one detonated his explosives at the entrance of the mosque and the other inside ISIS news agency Amaq in a statement gave the names of the attackers who were both Afghan nationals I'm
US vows to pay relatives of Afghans killed in drone strike
"The U. S. says it will pay relatives of Afghans killed in a drone strike in August Pentagon spokesman John Kirby said in a statement Friday the U. S. defense department will offer condolence payments to relatives of ten people killed in Afghanistan in an errant U. S. drone strike in Cabool on August twenty ninth the hellfire missile struck a car that it just pulled into a driveway of a family compound ten members of the family including seven children were killed the U. S. central command called the strike a tragic mistake Kirby says they're also working with the state department to help surviving family members relocate to the United States the U. S. military originally said it had targeted an Islamic state group facilitator but the Associated Press and other news organizations quickly reported that the driver of the targeted vehicle was a long time employee at a humanitarian organization Jennifer king Washington
Defense Bureaucrat Robert Gates Gives Lackluster 60-Minutes Interview on Afghanistan
"So Robert Gates is on 60 minutes And he's asked about this Afghanistan's situation Cut 6 go It was really tough For a few days there I actually wasn't feeling very well And I realized it was because of what was happening in Kabul and I was just so low About the way it had ended if you will And I guess the other feeling that I had was that it probably did not need to have turned out that way Well prison Biden said any withdrawal is messy Certainly the military considers the withdrawal the most dangerous part of an operation But they really had a lot of time to plan Beginning with the deal that president Trump cut with the Taliban So that was in February of 2020 Robert Gates who oversaw the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan from 2006 to 2011 told us president Trump failed to plan properly for the evacuation of Afghans who'd helped the U.S. fight the Taliban Don't you love this part where they narrate Don't you love it We don't get to hear Robert Gates say that We don't hear We hear Anderson Cooper Whose career Top interview was of stormy Daniels Remember that mister balus Three boobs there at least two boobs as far as I can tell And so he says Robert Gates he told us why are you here Robert Gates told us about Trump Why don't you have him say what he said
Dozens dead and many wounded during Friday prayers attack
"A suicide bomber has attacked a Shiite mosque in southern Afghanistan killing dozens of people people gathered outside the Palestinian mosque in Kandahar province I was off to the attack the attack comes a week off to an Islamic state bombing claimed forty six lives that's a Shiite mosque in northern Afghanistan the sectarian bloodletting has raised fears that I ask is expanding its foothold in Afghanistan video footage showed bodies scattered across blasting carpets with the blind is walking around in a daze all crying out in anguish local resident much so we've witnessed the attacking Canada after the attack came they find of the gauze and threw a hand grenade at one
Joe Biden Loves Giving Speeches and Scurrying Off
"Now we have a situation where Joe Biden gives another one of these sort of speeches He doesn't take any questions because he's incapable of answering them What's happened to the economy Isn't it interesting Isn't it interesting we have Same situation when it comes to the virus same situation when it comes to Afghanistan same situation when it comes to inflation and how the same situation when it comes to products shortages Comes out he makes assertions points fingers says we're going to fix all this just past my massive bill And then he shuffles off the steak Here's the problem ladies and gentlemen we discussed this at length the first hour last night But let me add a few points There are absolutely no pro growth policies in any of the Joe Biden policies No pro growth policies whatsoever this massive bill they want to spend or pass has massive spending They want to fundamentally alter the economy While they've done it without passing this bill he has no pro growth policies the Democrats have no pro growth policies They are pro government policies and pro Democrat party policies That's it
Russia offers US to lift sanctions on diplomatic missions
"Russia's foreign ministry says that Moscow is offering the U. S. to roll back mutual restrictions on diplomatic missions Russia has offered the U. S. to roll back several rounds of sanctions that have hampered diplomatic activity but is reaffirmed strong opposition to any U. S. military presence in the former Soviet central Asian nations following the American exit from Afghanistan the Russian proposal was made during the talks between undersecretary of state the toria Nuland and Russia's Sergei we up cough however little progress appears to be made on normalizing the work of the diplomatic missions which is being hampered by the successive sanctions I'm Charles the last
What Is Victor Davis Hanson's Book 'The Dying Citizen' About?
"Go ahead and explain your book again I was already explaining but you can do it better You wrote it It's we're losing if we have all this chaos in the news cycle at the border Afghanistan or stagflation or this crazy critical legal theory critical theory There's all a common denominator and it's an attack on the idea of a constitutional citizen And it's a very rare concept We're very fortunate in the United States to have it And it's fraudulent It's not guaranteed And one of the ways that diminishes is the middle class is neglected And Democratic Party has been the party of the very wealthy now in the very poor but the middle class has been lost between the two parties until recently And you have to have a sacred space for citizens to inculcate their traditions and customs If you have an open border you have sort of a migratory population of residents They're not citizens And it's hard to know that what the advantages are citizenship are over just residency anymore You know whether it's entitlements or voting or maybe even holding officer They've been blended And we have this tribalism and it's a pre civilizational idea that you judge people on the parents of their skin color or their general physicality and rather than their ideas that are common American And that's just the organic pre civilization pressures on the citizen but look at the elite top down It's a permanent administrative state whether it's general milley or James Comey or Robert Mueller or John Brennan these people who are judged jury and executioner And they're not elected a Doctor Fauci And yet they exercise power that's just completely on
Taliban says US will provide humanitarian aid to Afghanistan
"The US has agreed to provide humanitarian aid to a desperately poor Afghanistan on the brink of an economic disaster while the Taliban says refusing to give political recognition to the country's new rotors the statements come at the end of the first direct talks between the former foes since the chaotic with Doral of US troops at the end of August the Taliban says the discussions went well with Washington freeing up she monetary aid for the country however the US team statement was less definitive saying only that the two sides discussed provision of robust humanitarian assistance directly to the Afghan people the
The U.S. and Taliban are to hold the first talks since Afghanistan withdrawal
"The Taliban maybe rooting out cooperation with the U. S. to contain extremist groups in Afghanistan a Taliban spokesman who staked out the position ahead of the first talks between the former foes since the U. S. completed its withdrawal from the country senior officials and US representatives will however meet this weekend to talk about reining in extremists and easing the evacuation of foreign citizens and Afghans from the country the talks come as the militant group Islamic state is ramping up attacks in a challenge to the Taliban on Friday and I S. a suicide bomber killed over forty minority Shiite Muslim worshippers and wounded dozens in a packed mosque I'm
Rep. Madison Cawthorn Discusses Stuart Scheller's Release From the Brig
"Let's go to north carolina's eleventh congressional district to welcome. I believe he may be the youngest congressman on capitol hill madison cawthorn. Welcome to america. I have great being on with your brother. Anything it starts out with america. I you know. I love it. That's the reason why we call it. America first not the said gawker show. Okay i asked you in the break. We have this update the breaking news that they have released. A colonel shelling from shallow from the brig you have spoken to his legal team just a few moments ago so tell us the latest out. What what Do listeners across the nation. Needs to know. I talked to several organizations that are involved with colonel sheller. And what's ridiculous is. This is a man who stood up and criticize The boss withdrawal from afghanistan that left thirteen servicemembers dead. And because he stood up to this incompetence he was forced to have a mental health screening and then sebastian he has been stuck in solitary confinement in campbell. Jim it's terrible but right now he's going to be heading to a court martial very soon. It's going to be closed doors so you can take that on. Its surface for that how it's going to be Probably a gag order going to come down And you know even as a member of congress. I can't even go in there to try. And defend him it's it's ridiculous the amount of obscurity the biden administrations wanting to have in this
US official: American, Taliban officials to talk on evacuees
"Hi Mike Rossi reporting a U. S. official says American and Taliban officials will meet to discuss evacuations from Afghanistan U. S. officials are meeting with senior Taliban officials in Doha Qatar this weekend a US official not authorized to speak by name about the meetings tells the Associated Press the talks will focus on holding the Taliban to commitments they made to allow Americans and other foreign nationals to leave Afghanistan I did ministration is facing questions about evacuations that have ground to a halt on Thursday state department spokesman Ned price said one hundred five U. S. citizens and ninety five green card holders have departed Afghanistan on U. S. facilitated flight since the end of August but that number has remained unchanged for more than a week Mike Rossio Washington
Taliban official: 100 dead or hurt after blast at Shiite mosque in Afghanistan
"The Taliban police official says a blast at the mosque packed with Shiite Muslim worshippers in northern Afghanistan has killed or injured over one hundred people the deputy police chief for condos province believes the majority of them have been killed in reference to the victims I think the attack may have been carried out by a suicide bomber who mingled among the worshippers inside the mosque there was no immediate claim of responsibility for the blast the militants from the Islamic state group have a long history of attacking Afghanistan's Shiite minority if confirmed a death toll of dozens will be the highest since US and NATO forces left Afghanistan at the end of August under
US, Pakistani officials in strained talks on Afghanistan
"United States and Pakistani officials meet amid a worsening relationship between the two countries as each nation searches for a way forward in Afghanistan under Taliban rule fifty six year state Wendy Sherman is saying a powerful army chief on the foreign minister as well as prime minister Imran Khan well a Pakistani foreign ministry spokesman says close and regular engagement between his country and the US has always been mutually beneficial and effective for stability in South Asia Islamabad has been pressing for greater engagement with the old male old kind of band companies in Kabul while Washington which spent a long beard negotiating peace with the Taliban is still smarting from its chaotic end to twenty years in the country with much about the off them off remaining unclear I'm Charles Taylor this month
Joe 'Brandon' Biden's Approval Rating Collapses to a Magical 38%
"Yeah so those let's go Brandon chants are really catching on is the Joe Biden's Joe Brandon Biden's approval rating collapses to a magical 38% I didn't even think that was possible in the first year of a presidency Usually you get some kind of a grace period you know Not Brandon Brandon Biden is inflation crisis is open border policy It's overall destruction of the American economy is inability to handle COVID in any way shape or form Is hasty departure from Afghanistan getting people killed Did I mention the open border Probably I did right The open border complete dissolving of the southern border of the United States of America This guy can't get out of his own way
"afghanistan" Discussed on The Media Show
"Details of a power struggle within the taliban have emerged. These are crucial moments. Wait to see what kind of government it wants to create. also this week. There's evidence the world's media is starting to tune out of afghanistan. Well if some news organizations are doing that we are tuning in to how western media and the afghan media have told this story. We're trying understand how the relationship between the taliban and journalists is working and we'll look at whether this story is revealed structural problems in how news works. has there been enough space. Given to context and history. Tell those of you who are asking. Why is this happening. We'll get into these questions with a ceo of the country's top tv news network with the bbc correspondent currently in northern afghanistan with the news media analyst. In the us with one of the bbc world service is best presenters in afghanistan. And with cnn's chief international correspondent. Clarice award who with this clip became one of the faces of the story as the taliban ceased power. We decide to leave and head for our car. The fighter.
"afghanistan" Discussed on CONFLICTED
"Is that you from the beginning. That are no good guys in the story. But i'm telling you why. The pakistanis felt the need that in working with audubon will be to their advantage. So that's very interesting. Aim in pakistan supported the taliban because they created much needed law and order as did in fact much of the afghan people during their rise. The taliban managed to take over most of afghanistan promising law and order promising a return of security and stability. I think though it's safe to say that in time that initial respect with slightly wore thin amongst a huge number of afghans because they're they're extremely strict application of sharia law wasn't entirely loved. It was more and more resented a to some extent now internationally the taliban apart from the uae. Saudi arabia and pakistan was not recognized as the official government of afghanistan because mainly the maintenance spy the taliban of a large number of jihadist camps most infamously those belonging to al-qaeda of which you were by this point a member in these camps. now there was. It was a very vexed question. America put pressure on the taliban to get rid of the camps to expel the arabs and exchange of which they would recognize them and the taliban said no they are. We are pashtoon. They are noble. Guest also i recognize us and then maybe we'll deal with the camp so there was a sort of tit for tat. The the taliban wanted the official recognition in order to deal with the jihadist camps and the americans said no no. We only recognize you if you do with the jihadist camp so this went on for several years. Meanwhile al is launching attacks In nineteen ninety eight launching the east africa embassy bombing attacks in two thousand the uss cole attack in aden this of course ultimately climaxes with nine eleven twenty years ago very soon and the americans invasion of afghanistan the quick toppling of the taliban and the establishment of a u. n. overseen new state-building process in afghanistan. So aim. is that all all pretty much right. A good a good summary of of what happened pretty much And also because don't forget. The taliban themselves were split down the middle between those who said closed camps but keep them in. Oh keep them out of medina but close the cups and they'll keep them as a guest aunt and those who were saying no no no no a a. We should look into support. The in the jihadist aspirations of any oppressed people keep them so it is the split within the abundant itself. Basically the doomed them in the end..
"afghanistan" Discussed on Talks with Chepe
"It up. No i sound doing this for home. People usually i would have a demand. Here drizzling demo tapes. Thousands last album was a good. I don't think so. I mean i like the song chicago freestyle. That's one of my favorite drake songs honor. But like i said it's all radio hits. He's not doing it because they yes like. They're good albums i mean. My favorite album of drake is probably nothing. Was the same. Or if you're reading it's not too late but again i still think that kanye west has one of the best rap islands of all time in my dark twisted fantasy. So it'll be interesting to see who comes out on top. Release th really. I think connie will come up on top. Because don donde supposed to be one of the you know it's supposed to be phenomenal and certified otherwise we'll be going back to like an old school you know Take care style drink warned. He's singing about this. So we'll see. I think honey will get the best of drake at this point. He mean he got the best of him last time. So we'll see. I mean that's my take on it but that's this week's take everybody. We talked about afghanistan. We talk about drinking tiny now this past last week. Also if you haven't checked it out go check it out on youtube. I posted on my blog. I we were hit by hurricane. You can go see the behind the scenes footage of what it was actually liked by the beach near where i live and how the hurricane was and this week we got again. I didn't post the food view of the code issue. We got a. We got a full rica. mecca got saturday. We're going to try some asian cuisine. We're going to see what's going on so stay tuned for that. I don't get any championed by state. Because i don't have the email on the asi ought to be completely honest with you. I forgot the password. I can't log in any liberalism. is it's damian. So what are you going to you know. What are you going to. But yes so stay tuned for that and again people you know where to find me on social media. I always got to say. But you know we i gotta say because i love you guys. Love me back instagram. I'm under talks with chebbi..
"afghanistan" Discussed on Talks with Chepe
"I mean the taking the news by storm. Or whatever you want to say. And that's the kanye west drake drama down kanye west drake this. This conflict stems awhile back now. People always say how did this happen. What's going on with it all right. So obviously honey west and drake were friends at one point because they obviously were probably cash money young money with little wayne. County wasn't part of that but connie was friends with little wayne. They did everything together. He was in the forever. Remix was he did songs with drake minaj and all these things and they had a decent relationship. Now what happened between that. We don't know and this all started when when drake started beefing with good music which is kind of west is label. he started fighting with kendrick matt. Kendrick lamar i'm sorry. He started fighting with push a not a pusher slinging rock on the corner. Push a t push push push your teeth and if you guys remember that. That's where drake and him started. You know doing distracts. It's not like the old school rap where they are shooting each other and doing the for things that just distractions like that and drake humac push tea. And he tried. You know saying how he's a. He's a rapper. That only wraps by the same thing about drugs and this mad that he has no real substance behind scraps and things like that. And that's when push drop the mic and released to the world that drake had a kid with a porn star but he had a k. With a porn star and it literally shocked the world because nobody knew that drake had the the kid and you know he tried to come up. Some both you're saying all was hunting the kid from the world. Not the root for my kid. Ozzy's these nice handshakes buddy nights backpedal. He's going to do what he has to do this. you know. cut it out and it just didn't look because he didn't even finished a fucking battle he just like that..
"afghanistan" Discussed on Talks with Chepe
"I'm just giving the brief of it. There's a lot more that goes into it. Oil and things is like that they didn't want to do that. So what did the us do. Of course what the us does in loves to do goes in these stabilizes regions so they went into afghanistan they dismounted the taliban and we've been presence and we've been looking for. We were looking for bin laden for the longest time through afghanistan to the mount because he would go from afghanistan pakistan back and forth and it was always an issue those the war on terror and two thousand three. We invaded it completely to overthrow the government and instill a democracy which we did. You know the president of the united states. Help keep the president's not the president. The presence of the united states help keep order and help keep everybody safe and sound but there were still conflict. There was conflict going back and forth until we killed osama bin laden into eleven would seal team six from the great president obama when he signed it into action. Now this is where such get tricky in a little bit conflicting because from that moment you know once we killed osama bin laden the obama administration committed to afghanistan and we spent trillions and trillions of dollars training and securing and teaching these afghan soldiers at this point because the new government three hundred thousand of them to how to be you know fighters how to train how to do everything and it was all in the us dime because obviously we win there we stabilize region. And we're trying to instill into a new government who democracy and that worked for the wild and it was up to the point where we realized that you know. We can't be the firm. There's people fighting from their parents so say someone was eighteen years old. Who's been in for so long. That his their kids enough not fighting on them and it was games to the point where you know what we had to do something so in this comes now last year. President trump trump signed the action. That will be pulling out of afghanistan in may thirty first of this year granted now trump plaza presidency and biting came into office and biden said he was going to keep that same promise and we took. We left afghanistan this last previous week and the whole issue behind it and it's it's ups and we are still having a deadline to leave by the thirty first everybody out now that the brief history run of it. Now i'm going to give you my take on. It was stuffy nose. Here's my take behind it. Do i think that i'm speaking object subjectively. I don't wanna be skewed one way or another. Because i wanted to give my honest opinion. Do i think that we did the greatest job. Leaving afghanistan the way we did know it showed a ladder resemblance to what we did in vietnam where that picture of the last blackhawk leaving the embassy and it was tragic was it a debacle for president biden. I think so. Think leading up to the thirty first deadline to see what happens may really leave the legacy behind. What how we leave afghanistan. Do i blow. Put all the blame on him. No it's sad. Because there was plenty of afghanistan citizens and coalitions that helped united states restabilize the democracy that were in there and we just left them. We left them. We didn't we just took everybody from the embassy out the us army left and they're so they're now the trying asked about as possible now..
"afghanistan" Discussed on The Slow Newscast from Tortoise Media
"On the battlefield. And from us. Fallback as i remember my dad given what he was and what he was doing with all is at the center of things going on in the area some item would really be sped. Being the son off the commander who'd become known as being brave and his parents had always worried about him never returning home and he would come home in the middle of the night and then disappear for another two or three weeks and come back and then it was always that him being president. I'm not being present at the same time as i grew up. I realized that he had a position on my become more and more interested in you know sitting along with you know where he was holding meetings beginning to understand the complexities of structures within which they were working from a very young age. I mean two years. After roy was born the soviets withdrew their forces. Nine thousand nine hundred nine they will hardly can fund foreign war when at home. The ussr was collapsing but already another conflict was brewing. The islamist groups wants armed by the americans were beginning to hunt for power and by the time that roe was seven years old in one thousand nine hundred ninety five and you force had arrived. The taliban they brought with them too exhausted population the promise of peace. The people of canada is should few. Tease previews anneke. But now questions are being asked and left unanswered about who the taliban ah what type of society they wish to create but of course as we know the opposite became true. Executions were commonplace public amputations blockades of food and supplies. Women were stripped of their rights. They were barred from working outside the homes. They couldn't leave without a male escort goals when they longer allowed to go to school. The taliban is pretty unreconstructed. If you like oganization during its five-year attempted running the country. He there was nothing. Women weren't out work that went labs outside the huns without the company of male relatives and in full job girls would allow to go to school. This is linda. Donal afghanistan bureau chief franz press and the associated press between two thousand nine and two thousand seventeen and on a wifi connection that miraculously held up. She talked to me from kabul. Miniature grow beards science was just ignored. Didn't exist it was pretty tough place. Music wasn't allowed even catch line which is a traditional afghan. Pastime wasn't permitted. The taliban made the capital down in nam can har- in the house and they had only two countries that recognize them diplomatically. Touchstone in saudi arabia. An important thing to know about roe and his family is that there has ours. And the hazaras were afghanistan's patchwork population ethnicities and tribes. A target has our people as sheer and the taliban like most afghans Sunni afghan islam is informed by a history of buddhism. as the buddhas in bamiyan would attested. it's fairly moderate. The taliban are extreme and the shia has hours are also asia tactic people. They not european extraction issue like they look chinese mongolian and they account for about fifteen percent of the population. they were very very badly traded. Up with alexander documented mescus. But discrimination against the his our didn't start with the taliban. It goes back at least two hundred years as the began to encroach on the hazara jet in the late. Nineteen ninety s reza rose. Father was a key figure in the resistance and row was tiny spectator in a war in which his dad. His hero was the central character and as a young sort of seven eight nine year old. What did you know of the taliban. How did they loom in your in your mind in your imagination things. Actually might you know. We were really very keen on at least him. Much disposition was we have a a panasonic radio cassette one of those old ones when my father was a code all we did at least on the top about. We listened to also persian. So i've broadcast from london so we used to listen to the news all the time and also the rest of the time we listen to music which many people in the village didn't do and the other thing that registered for me was when the taliban capture kabul having a breakfast bread black some my god listening to radio to the bbc radio they have committed serious incursions inside the afghan territory and they have a nibbled the taliban to move towards the capital cognis fallen. That is when they comfortable and then killed the last communist president of afghanist- on doctrinal jubilant. And his you know his his corpse in a in a city square so from very young ages. I began to piece together once we not. The taliban became synonymous with brutality. And savagery really in the years after nineteen ninety-six more than a million afghans fled to pakistan and up in the mountains. Rose family couldn't escape the brutality that was now spreading around the country. He lost a baby brother to malnutrition. His father was away for long stretches of time and he was left with his mother who suffered from epilepsy. He carried the shame of the conditions villages around to muttered that she was cursed that she was bewitched. Thanks to the hazara commitment to education into a secular education in particular he learned how to read and write on like a low of children across the rest of the country all the time he watched and listened from the corners of rooms reading. His father's communicates by candlelight. And so what happened. I think it would be nineteen nine hundred nine when you twelve ninety nine hundred eight while out to you know plus years old complete locate our desire jobs. The taliban it like we see today. Kruglov obey the managed. Littering attack can some northern afghanistan slowly went down towards the competency region bomb young incheon sixty within days. Fifteen hundred years of history was reduced to rubble and thousands of other. Afghan relics are now being obliterated. By the taliban's latest war fell the rest of us on john crumbled one after another more shown one of the things italian deidra us you know a they captured massage effecting think in one day they killed up to ten thousand czars every step of the way advanced towards his region. They again repeated damascus. One of the most stories saying the taliban date when they captured mazari was. They put a slogan out to say that. If you're a tajik go to jail. If you're those back goes becky tom. If you're zara go to the graveyard one of the other warnings where that you know if you're you're either convert to realize lot which means soon as now if you don't leave the country and if you don't do.
"afghanistan" Discussed on The Politics Guys
"Okay jay so. I think we will start with. I know we will start with the topic that dominated the news this week afghanistan. Yes unusually Listeners know we be set this up. Where either mike reid as a summary of what's happened in sort of gives a synopsis of of the news that we're gonna be talking about And i'm not as good at that as mike is and unfortunately there is a whole lot to try to impress but i guess the short version. Obviously we've we've got last week The taliban took control of kabul with the exception of the airport which the united states still holds with six thousand troops united states had issued a shelter in place order for americans trying to get out at that time. There that has since there's been state department guidemap guidance. That is since come out saying. Please try to make your way to the kabul airport but we cannot Guarantee your security president. Joe biden Made no numerous numerous a couple. Couple statements of beginning an on tuesday then there was a an interview with george stephanopoulos and then another Press conference just yesterday. The increasing concern of of mind. Mike and you. And i will talk about sort of the bigger picture. Nation building stuff too but is there. It seems that what the president has said Compared with some of his military advisers say regarding our capabilities to get people out is really to me chilling. I guess You had secretary. Lloyd austin say that. We didn't have the capability to pull our people out individually to go to outside the airport to get them now. The french and the british and the germans Have been doing. This was also story yesterday. That the united states did reach out outside the airport for several hundred yards Via helicopter to bring in stranded americans All this while. Joe biden is saying that the taliban have agreed to honor american free passage to the airport again. That seems to be at odds with some of the reporting on the ground over the fact that we sent a helicopter to pick up one hundred sixty nine people who apparently didn't have that free access but that's and mike. I will make this admission to you and to listeners.
"afghanistan" Discussed on The Red Box Politics Podcast
"Was really strange moment. And also as you said moments ago you within king. This is never going to work. I wonder how that changed the oil. Didn't in your mind over those years as you saw the operation. Continue at qualify. It i mean like. I say the it was going to work. I was much more concerned about how politically it was going to work and then feel better about. It actually has always kind of in two thousand and two thousand three before iraq. I thought okay so much goodwill around these could actually work because the afghans omaha. You can't generalize. Obviously there are a lot of people who were very angry. Particularly those who've been aligned with taliban who had still had a significant constituency within the country wasn't justice the regime that was just a few very bad people but the the the chain sense among population. The boat has a lot of people. Travelled really wide in that period was somebody has taken some notice office. Finally it's taken this. But now the international community the west the americans are gonna come and help us and make us will not rich and certainly stable prosperous democratic even by two thousand five in six months reporting from afghanistan. That was changing really fast. If it hadn't dramatically changed already and in by two thousand ten gone that was some who are still competent. Who was still enjoying things that were going on. There was a lot of progress in was amazingly transformed but people are beginning to get worried and enjoy just briefly and finally would you think now then having gone through all of that. Would you think looking on as the way in which this. War's come close. I think is a i a tragedy. The whole of afganistan's history of last year's a tragedy. I it's been astonishing looking at the pictures looking at the lung. Meet in afghanistan look at the faces of the people remembering what it was like back in two thousand and one and two with that moment of hope and thinking basically. They're back to scrap one in a lotta changed. Allies change a lot better but then quite lot could get worse as well and is is authentically. Tragic jason good. Thanks for making time. For jason burke author and foreign correspondent at the guardian. In a moment we will hear from Lieutenant colonel richard williams. Who is that the military side of things that also will hit from a former spokesperson for the afghan foreign ministry. Whose formally ambassador to china and pakistan afghanistan as well so he hit the view from journey. Who's reporting on all of this back in two thousand and one but what about somebody who was involved With the with the british effort military efforts as the invasion got underway for. We came on air a little bit early one. I spoke to lieutenant. Colonel richard williams. When nine eleven happened i was serving with special forces escorted kamanga and very quickly along with everybody. Don't in defense Was put on notice to prepare for operations in afghanistan. So it was a very quick change. But the relevance of the change to me attempted dramatic differences from from before. Where's that one or being For quite a period of time in the balkans and working with a number of operations kossovo the latter one that time is chief storm within a multinational brigade very much aligned to the emerging european defense in security initiatives that were seeking to develop a long term strategy full security and development in the balkans and i can remember prior to nine eleven off. Thinking was to invest in that access for all the base rates. And then how it nine. Eleven radio all of that was dropped to ensure that we provide capability disapproval. What was going to be. An american led operation into afghanistan on what was a counter terrorism mission retribution mission really and one that was going to have to be executed. Pretty urgent. there was a big shift very very big shift in focus from The track of interventions. The tony blair spoken about in chicago in nineteen ninety nine and and and and later where we were seeking to deliver good to a counter-terrorist mission where we were seeking to penalized those that were recently attacked us and it was a very big shift and practically for you. What did that mean in afghanistan against terrorism michelle. What does that. The completely uninitiated entail again having to tread cafe around the confidentiality contract. And i apologized for that. But it's you know one has to respect this Is that essentially. What it would mean would be. Britain taking paunch in an american led operation. Decide designed to identify a neutralize the are elements that were sitting within afghanistan. That was that was. The requirement in britain obviously is able to provide a very small amounts of capability relative to the us and all participation in that was going to be meaningful from a military perspective dependent upon the quality of the targets but much more importantly was going to be meaningful on an alliance strike strategic will political perspective. What will you impressions all of afghanistan. A well i mean. Stop before i go down. Virtually no one knew very much about his tool. I didn't get the impression that the uk had heard maintained over overwatch if we call latch or a great deal of connectivity with afghanistan Off to the russians laughed again. I say that without being in bold type of that long period of time but my lasting impression time which we didn't know very much tool and we were going to have to follow the insight provided by Whatever agencies we had again starved of resources over a period of time not focused on afghanistan and much more importantly what neom. Us another supporting the us could provide them so we didn't know very much tool so when one arrive at again. Right out in the desert since owners hopefuls you have specific talk to deal with its military objectives but beyond that particular specific You are in a really impoverished area where the majority of those that you're engaged with were involved in the illicit drug trade. The production of of that which ultimately produces heroin and so there was a very poll community Who was living on primarily subsistence agriculture but was able to generate income beyond that through participating in in the narcotics trade. So it was pretty alien to that which you know wanted experience before and while you were that two thousand one woods think you returned in two thousand and five. If i'm wrong. Did the aims seem achievable in terms of what was expected of. You can't terrorism as you were going about your business. Did you have a voice in your head saying you know. This is working what we're doing worthwhile two thousand one stroke one Than two thousand five. when which. That both military nate. And then i visited a few times busy soldier. Since two thousand and five. I left the army in two thousand and eight and returned to afghanistan in two thousand ten partnered with an afghan businessman to develop a mining business in a mining services business. And i did that till twenty. Fourteen significant. That time was i lived outside the wire. I didn't live anywhere near or within any military base and at times i lived in in a village in northern afghanistan for very extended periods of time And one really got to understand as others have experienced. That type of living rory stewart is a much more experienced than in this regard. But i've what he says reflect what he says when you're living outside and amongst the afghans and with absolutely no connection at all to the military mission and those informing the miniature mission. You gain a really sincere understanding of what the country is. Line can the people. You're dealing with mike but going through the stages in two thousand and one. The the mission was quite clear which was Deal with al qaeda as a threat to uk us in our interests to roll on the taliban with those have been providing them space to operate the. The taliban fell relatively quickly round about the same pace. Actually is the government forces have forums the taliban recently year and they did that because we were surprised by this that the people were prepared to change sides to align themselves with that which most powerful as a pragmatic expedient restore speaks on this.
"afghanistan" Discussed on Majority 54
"Power and trauma and when things. Don't go the way you want them to write. Because i've spent years about what happens when a lot of things. I worked on that. I cared about got totally dismantled by the next. You know you you start to realize it in the world's nothing ever turns out exactly how you want it to be. And what are you control. You control like the choices you made like the things that you believed in like the individual lives at that you impacted and never mind the mission of of protecting america after eleven like the mission that i think most people thought there are signing up for like the america's been pretty well protected since nine eleven like there's not been significant terrorist attacks but put that aside even the afghans that you interacted with the way that you carried yourself like the the survivability of the things that you believed in one of the research focused on the atkins getting out is what could those people do. They can do amazing things with their lives. Like the afghan women who've been educated like every single one of them is is precious every one of their education is in and so. I think we're kind of hardwired to think about a scorecard. And was i part of a word that we want or was i never mind that. None of these wars since over to have been particularly clear. I think you just have to think about like what what broader forces in the world of my part of. I don't know that's all i got. I got like that's true thoughts to add to that One is even though it seems like some of these gains might feel temporary in in very much are temporary in afghanistan. I was shocked. Actually jonathan rouch did a really interesting summary about just how big of an impact united states hat on afghanistan and and veterans. Like jason can be proud of the fact that life dramatically improved for people there while we're there so if it mortality dropped by fifty percent life expectancy increased by six years electricity consumption. Ten times years in school went up. Three years for men and four for women and university graduates went from thirty thousand to two hundred thousand and People like michael hanlon argue that tons and tons of lives. Were saved. Because if you look at the history of warfare within afghanistan before there. He credibly argued that there would have been way more bloodshed. Had we not been there. But i know we're not keeping a scorecard and so the other thing i want to say. Is that for those of us. Who didn't serve. I want to use the grabner section as we close out to to plug the work that you're doing jason at a veterans community project and say that we all need. Did you better by the people who come back from these wars within this country. I i can't imagine how much trauma can be stirred up by the types of images we've seen and so i think people do need to be very deliberate If you know people you know as i do as as we all who served in afghanistan in different capacities too by the way. I know a lot of people served on civilian side to reach out to them and encourage them to to not be a afraid to talk to someone. Because i appreciate what y'all said is now because i've been struggling with that the last few days but probably bothered me. The most is how many of my fellow afghanistan veterans. I've talked to are seen them. Comment on social media at me and just say like they feel like it was meaningless and like i. It is tempting to feel that way. But i choose not to feel that way. I know that we made a huge difference over there. I know that we accomplished some of our objectives. That were really important ones in. It's interesting i-. I commented the other day that i have all these mixed feelings. One of them is pride people were like. How can you be proud of it. And it's like. Yeah well. Because i choose to be like But that's the thing is like it's not easily accessible. You have to choose to be in some choose to be because you know what you do right and you know what the people who served with you did and you're proud of what your data you're going to be proud of every decision that politicians make. Well thanks for doing this. Been thanks for indulging this conversation. There's a lot people can gain from listening to what ben has to say so he's at be r. h. o. d. eso at b. roads on twitter and the book is after the fall being american. The word we've made you can hear more of him in vitor on positive the world..
"afghanistan" Discussed on Majority 54
"To let them know. We sent you what i'm confused about. With what the by administration is put out so far as the they've they've kind of half owned this in half pass the buck a little bit. One thing that i think is so obvious is that there are just so many things that went wrong. In our assessment of the situation like biden. Five weeks ago wouldn't be saying it's unlikely taliban's going to overrun. The country wouldn't be burning documents and blushing troops back into this country if this was if we had a solid foundation in our assumptions and so even if we like you said jason like even if it were true that we were giving the government a chance there should have been so many contingencies in place that would prevent us from this herky-jerky exit and there's also a question of competing loyalties right like our loyalty to the afghan government And our loyalty to the people who looked out for us in some ways we're competing in this interim period of time if we're to believe what people are saying and and i know it's like you know we've all been there in various ways in like or not there in afghanistan but like in some of these rooms. I don't wanna be like unfair to people involved. But i also think it's important for us to be clear about this and democrats. I think there's so much attention. People are paying to the doha negotiations on that. Which seemed like there was a credible problems with that but it seems unambiguously true that there are some serious mistakes over the past few months at the very least here. Yeah yeah. The doha thing What that did right is once. Trump cuts a deal with the taliban. Says we're pulling out by the way. All the contractors are pulling out so the afghan military is not going to really be able to function. Will i saw after. That is all the. The regional afghan leaders cut their own version of the same deal. So people want ask like why is every folding away. It's because they made the same deal. Trump did hey don't shoot at us taliban and that's it that said though to your point like as soon as this decision was announced the contingencies. Like the checklist of things that you would work through. What hundred percent include afghans. Who worked with us. Like there's knows everybody in the world was warning about this issue. This wasn't like something that crept up on them to me that that's why it's the most glaring thing is if you're leaving there's a moral responsibility a clear cut black and white like unambiguous moral responsibility to the afghans. Who who worked you know and you can choose where to draw the line. Is it just the people who worked for us. Well that's still almost one hundred thousand people And then is it. The people that took to grant money we could fair where to draw that line but the inability or unwillingness. I and i hope it's not because they didn't want optics of large numbers of refugees. Come in the united states. i hope to god. That's not what the determining thing was but because that's something you can plan for an execute right. There's certain things in the world that you can't control like you can control. You can't even control whether the afghan military fights you can't control the quality of certain afghan leaders. You know you can. How many afghans who want to leave you take out. That's the failure that you know you can't blame that on trump the like. That's just glaring. That's why that that's the one that stands out and furthermore you can't blame provincial governors and local for one to survive gandak military commanders. Like a f- gan battalions and so forth for surrendering Became and that. I think if there's been one thing over the last few days that his pissed me off more than anything else it has been a steady drumbeat of. Why didn't they fight for their country because we lost twenty five hundred people in afghanistan. The afghan security forces lost sixty six thousand over the last twenty years. Like like the idea that these people didn't fight for their country makes me angry and on top of that like once once. The doha negotiations happened. Once that deal has been made if your if if if you're one of these provincial in the area that let's be honest everybody's just moving toward kabul. That's what's happening. They're moving through or is gone and they're you know just a week ago or two weeks ago jalalabad and like they're coming through whether you're provincial governor soldier on the ground you're cannot go on okay. I'm no longer getting paid. I'm hungry like look. When i was over there and i was doing my job as an intelligence officer sneaking around meeting with people i was. I was pretty firm in my belief that they're not going to take me alive. Because i knew what was going to happen. My head cut off on youtube. And like i wasn't going to be taken alive but it was a much easier decision for me to make because i knew how it ends it ends with. I get killed right which is bad but it's not as bad as like if after they kill me it as long as i put up a fight going to retaliate. And by the way they're headed to my hometown and then they know who i am now and they're going to find my wife and my kids and my parents and they're gonna kill all of them and so the the idea that people are going. Jeez we've trained him. Why didn't why didn't they fight for their country. When by the way their country is a place for the lines are drawn by other people. And like if you're an encana you're your pushtoon and you have nothing in common with a soldier from up near baga who's like taj seekers back like what does it mean to your country and so my point is like i don't even know what my point is. I'm just really mad about your point is your point. Is that you're right. You're point is when jason. This is my single biggest grievance against how a foreign policy is often discussed and often made in washington is there are no human beings like outside of america. there's not actual people or something. Because i'm just saying version what you said but i think it bears repeating. Imagine being like a twenty four year old frontline soldier in southern afghanistan around kandahar. Say like the the heartland where the taliban came from. You've been fighting for years. You've seen a bunch of people killed you've seen the united states provide less and less support. You've seen a fucking lunatic. President united states make a deal with the taliban that excluded your democratically elected government. Then you've got a new president comes in and says we're getting out we've been there too long. It's on you guys with the you guys is a twenty four year old who may have three sisters at home and a dad and he knows he's one hundred and by the way if he has accessed any social media he's also able to read any outlet that the us government assessment is the atkins security forces are gonna lose in eighteen months that they're they are going to lose so what the governor is asking you to do is hey. Could you fight for eighteen months so that this looks less bad so that and that will give us more time to process people to leave like oh and by the way. What that means is yeah. The taliban is likely going to kill you. Then they're going to go and do god knows what your sister's because you a part of the resistance of the taliban they'll burn down your house the radical any any proof of of the drew ever existed or you can choose not.
"afghanistan" Discussed on Majority 54
"Minds the moment we showed up for the most part. We were trying to win fate. We were trying to convince people that it wasn't a losing to bet on the coalition and the government of afghanistan. Because if you bet on us and you lost you were the taliban was gonna kill you. And so in order to get people to work with us into get the military to to fight and be cohesive people to believe the go could could succeed and that was like my whole role. There was to like do anti-corruption anti-espionage investigations as a means to eventually making go more legitimate. And my experience was they were constantly and understandably constantly preoccupied go with looking legitimate. Like i would come back with an investigation recited. No this warlord is still involved in narcotrafficking. And he's killed this these people. He's put their heads on stakes inside his palace and the solution. Sometimes i can't even fault them would be. Let's move him to a different province because he'll be further away. Fr- you take your kid at their school tournament of different school when they're in with a bad group of friends like poem away from their network so the point i'm making is that when the government of afghanistan came to the biden and said. Please don't start these evacuations because it will destroy confidence in our government and it will cause the military to fold and believes that there's no hope and then they'll take kabul right away what people don't realize that's a super hard choice because you don't know whether they're gonna be able to hold but you do know that if you start the evacuation early in kabul falls right away you'll never know whether you 'cause that yeah. I guess there are two ways. I look at that jason And i agree with you. And i'm also incredibly sympathetic to how hard these jobs are so say all proper caveats. The two issues. I have is due to launch of people that you know there. There's military interpreters people who worked for us you know. They worked at the embassy or much. Larger number people's several tens of thousands of people who worked with our military and then secondly there are people that believed in us. And and i think you can identify in particular people who usa. Id gave the money to set up human rights organizations or women's rights organizations so they were direct recipients of our strategy. You know because they were. Usa subcontractors are funded by certain development fonder international development funds. These are people started. Ngos people who will definitely be endangered by the taliban just as much as military interpreters. There's two decisions that i kind of. Don't understand along this this process. I think even if you're a massive accusations of all those people i can see why the government of atkinson's warning against that but the the the the military interpreter issue the sieve issue. The numbers are so small. I mean we had fourteen hundred. I think but before the at the bottom fell out like why you couldn't significantly ramp that up and so it's not necessarily see seventeens airlifting people everyday. But you're getting into the tens of thousands of people. Because i think it stands to reason that if the us military's pulling out that the you know military interpreters who worked with us would be willing and able to take that shot of coming united states so why that program wasn't dramatically scaled up I don't understand. Because i think you could have done that. Without kind of mass evacuation vibes and then the second thing is even right now. I'm not sure why we have. An extended a lifeline to people beyond that program to include like i said those afghans who who are clearly endanger and were recipients of us funding. They seem to be excluded from the evacuations. Now i hope that is changing. That's not the case you know. So i i understand the law. The logic point is absolutely the case it. If if they're telling you that if you guys fly bunch of military transport planes in here and airlifting thousands of people on every single day you know this could lead to clubs confidence. I still think you could have done a lot more of those four months. And i also think that. I hope that they do a lot more with the time they heart. Now i agree. And i also think objectively either way. We made the wrong choice. You had an. I'd like to think that given my experience of the government of afghanistan. That i would've made a choice. That said you know what we've been doing this based on optics in order to increase confidence for twenty years and it hasn't worked and this is the in game either way so we're just gonna do what we need to do but i don't know that for sure but it wasn't clear choice and i believe that i would have made the right choice but it is belief at best and it is in with informed with hindsight.
"afghanistan" Discussed on Majority 54
"I want to make this clear. The very difficult decision with regard to the afghan government that president biden had to make over the last few weeks. That is really an answer to the question. A partial answer to the question of. Why did this happen so quickly. And why why were. We not evacuating people weeks ago. So let's just start with your impressions of i dunno. You perhaps work directly with members of the government of afghanistan at some point but either way your impressions overall of the government of afghanistan during your time working on these issues. My impression was that it was a government that never you know never really had control over the country right. I mean they weren't pulling levers were affecting events out in brott ghanistan or even out in places like kantar. They were incredibly dependent on the united states. Right so think of it as like a machine that was built to plug into the united states so their security forces dependent upon everything on us for everything but even just the execution of their budgets and their development programs because this was a nation building exercise like we were both providing a lot of assistance but also providing a lot of expertise and at the top there was clearly corruption but there's corruption because that's how politics was done in afghanistan to some extent right like you have to take care of this local leader. Because you know this is the person that can make sure that the water's turned on a and again. I wasn't down that in in the weeds. That accent but so some. The corruption was was like a unique variety like people stealing money and moving into the gulf or something. Some it was just kind of like this is how actually politics happens in afghanistan. You know at the end of the day you know ghani he. You know he's technocrat. Who goes back and probably makes a very good finance minister in a developing country. He's not the kind of strong central authority that can can with everybody into shape and clean up the corruption and you make the trains. Trains run on time and afganistan and be able to remember. They've never had that you know there's never been a central government in afghanistan that that government away. That is kind of familiar to to you and me right so i can be critical of them. But i'm also like i'm more critical of the united states in the sense that when you come in and you are all the forests in the country you control violence in the country. You control the bulk of the resources in the country and you have a government that is dependent becomes kind of overly dependent on training wheels and a government that becomes corrupt in a lot of the corruption. Is the war economy that we built like contracting money. Where's that going. They definitely failed. But like i'm not sure that they were. You know. set up to succeed either. Yeah well i mean. Let's be honest. Anybody who was in a position of power in afghanistan was there. Because that's where we allowed them to be. And dan and the public knew that you know like they sensed it inherently and one of them jason like the other but underneath that surface. The prewar warlords never went away. If you look at who's in this transition council it's dawson hekmatyar karzai again. Some of them are around but like these are the same guys that were running militias in the nineties and they never went away. So you have this kind of technocratic government afghanistan and then you had these kind of regional thugs players who never never left any and really all they did is sort of rotate through the government that we had put up in different titles like doom was. When i was there he was defense. Minister minister dusty room. Like that's what he was. He was just another perch from which to run his stuff. And i mean heck muhtar like that's a dude who is like a former prime minister of afghan who really just became the head of of the hezb-i-islami golden terrorists network and political. and like. that's a dude who we went back and forth from like working with to like. Let's be honest hunting. I was part of that. I mean so like yeah so it's so it's important people understand that the the quote unquote government. Afghanistan isn't attempt to government. And what i was trying to make clear for people. This week was the there was a passage that really struck me in the president's remarks where he talked about how he addressed why the evacuation of americans and of our allies and of afghans who had worked with us why. It didn't happen sooner and it was a very short part of the speech but what he said was that the government of afghanistan asked us not to begin those sort of operations the sort of evacuation operations and to basically give them a chance. And so we did. And i've been thinking. I haven't mailed stop thinking about that because i think that was the critical decision and i can't figure out what i would have done. It was such a hard decision and for people who don't know for the bulk of the twenty years the center of gravity in at least the part of the war that you talked about the nation building part of the war. The center of gravity has been the government of afghanistan which we referred to as go right like geo at go is ability to demonstrate that they could have a chance to operate competently was the center of gravity and everybody right now is on cable news royals. They're they're grouping in afghanistan and iraq as if though the same more and there's a million ways in which they're different but for purposes of this discussion the biggest way they're different is in iraq. Our forces were trying to win hearts and minds in afghanistan. We had the hearts and minds the moment we showed up for the most part. We were trying to win fate. We were trying to convince people that it wasn't a losing to bet on the coalition and the government of afghanistan..
"afghanistan" Discussed on Majority 54
"The two thousand ten surge. Some people are saying it was too small to accomplish the maximus political goals that we had but big enough escalate. The war doha negotiations excluding the afghanistan. Government rejecting the idea of a monarchy the return of the monarchy which goes back to those maximum political goals. And i'm not sure you know some of those more nuance than some of those might even be incorrect criticisms but one criticism that i come back to 'cause i'm the closest thing to a regular civilian on this. Although i was with you ben for a couple of years and the national security team out of the un was a an argument that tom nichols made in the atlantic this week. Which is that. The public is also to blame which is me and others. Who just haven't really been focused on this war and That's simplistic to in some ways. But i do think that this was a war. That wasn't fought by. America is a war fought by a small sliver of americans and all of sudden it seems like the same people who were epidemiologists. A year and a half ago and then election expert in november and now afghanistan experts all of a sudden. Everybody's attentive on this. And you know what we're black squares in june or you know hashtags are now nuance takes have guessed and see how tired time. That's can't find anybody who who's been for this war that's lasted for twenty years. All of that is to say. It seems like we're all to blame for this. And i don't. I don't think that's helpful really the blame argument. I guess here's a house because yeah there's a whole public opinion piece of this that you could unpack right. Which is it and i. I agree with the criticism of the surge in but part of the tension of that moment. Was that you had a unified military and kind of totally unified national security apparatus from bob gates to hillary clinton to the us military just kind of punditocracy that we're seeing now that seems to love these wars almost like shaking obama by the lapels in two thousand nine. You have to search you have to surge and then you have public opinion. That's like hey there's just a financial crisis like the last thing on earth we wanna be doing spending more money afghanistan and that does account for what you describe which was caught in the middle where you're surging but you're trying to lower expectations for how long you can surge and you send that kind of mixed message. The alternative wasn't an option of just saying. Yeah we're gonna we're gonna have over one hundred thousand troops in afghanistan definitely not something that was politically even feasible and so public opinion did play a role here. I think the bigger problem. I've thought a lot about this a lot in an idea. What i kind of unpack this in in my book. We were promised like huge victories. After nine eleven like the member of the rhetoric of bush. It was like this is going to be like what we're twos and we like the cold war. This is a generational struggle time. They're going to be on the dustbin of history. And so i think. Americans got kind of accustomed to particular on the right. If you watch fox news. In the bush years you were always. On the doorstep of some some transformative military victory in bush churchill and and the democrats were the the wusses. And i think the reality by the time certainly by the time obama came in but i think probably by two and four is that we weren't going to win these wars in any traditional sense. You know there wasn't going to be some surrender in iraq afghanistan. There wasn't going to be some pluralistic democracy. That welcomed american presidents without insurgencies happening in the country. And i think in the public opinion side like trumpism is very interesting because on the one hand. People don't want to accept the premise. That america won't win a war but they they don't wanna fight the war. Either you know. And that that is an incredibly complicated dynamic. And i think what it led to is all the animists ginned up against al qaeda and radical islam. And all the rest of it become became portable and it's like nahla direct at animus add immigrants at the southern border or a black president or antifa or whoever it is right and and so trump is in kinda repurpose all that xenophobic energy elsewhere and people kind of like stop paying attention because he want to pay attention to words that we weren't winning and so then when this thing pops up again it's like oh yeah that's right. We didn't win the wars. Let's figure out who to attack for that. Yeah and i. I want to say on the record like i supported the surge like the surge in afghanistan retrospect like i read that wrong right like it. Also like you it the surge was what led me to realize. This is not gonna work and it's time to wind this down but i- enthusiastically supported it. Because i was thinking to myself at the time like you know. I was only a few years removed from being there. Where we when we definitely did not have enough people on the ground and our per capita casualty rate was high and i can remember you know doing our mission to jalalabad from kabul where we were supposed to have helicopters and we had to drive over the road and j bad road is just not a road. You wanna drive. And i wasn't like bitter about that but it was anecdotes like that that i remembered where people are saying. Well we can't take because most of this researchers are in iraq and so in my head. I'm going like well. Let's see what would happen if we had the resources we should have had in the first place. But that's a good example. Like i was wrong. There's just so much. This is such a hard word. Nobody's ever it's a war once you start a word nobody's gonna be right. Yeah and i also want to add like the one person like i will. I will blame until i die. Is donald rumsfeld like just for the for the for the record and it's a quick story about that. I can remember being in my bunk in my little safehouse in afghanistan and One of my roommates Bunk mates in their shook me awake in the night and i thought we get mortar. Guys getting ready to roll under the under the buck. And he shook me awake to say jason rummy resigned like i mean it was just so people understand how angry we were rumsfeld. Like sleep was hard to come by. And i was in no way irritated that i was woken up from being asleep to learn that news and he knew i wouldn't be upset about it right so anyway. We'll just blame him for sure and then everybody else can have some too. Jason.
"afghanistan" Discussed on Majority 54
"With tommy vitor pod state the world. He's msnbc contributor. He worked for president obama in the foreign policy and national security space. He's the author of the book after the fall being american in the world. We've made and he's very nice to join us on short notice so ben. Thanks for coming on of prominent all jason. Thanks to have the space for a conversation i think we should start with this basic disclaimer. That i'm sure we all agree with the withdrawal of forces from afghanistan right. Yeah yes yes. I think it's necessary to say that front because it seems that there is an effort honestly a lot of it from i think the by administration i understand why to sort of frame criticism of this moment as it's either you're gonna leave forces in or you're not and obviously the reason we're having this conversation as it goes a lot deeper than that. I'm curious to start been from your perspective working on this windy. You feel like you really came to the conclusion of this is not gonna work and we should not be there anymore like how long ago. Okay question. I thought a lot about the last couple of days in the moment when i had the realization. Not that we were going to get out right away so just to to caveat. I don't suggests it as soon as this occurred to me. I thought all forces should leave. But the moment i began to have some real trepidation about the more expensive mission in afghanistan was after the surge that obama ordered. Remember the operation marsha So this was supposed to be kind of almost a demonstration case of what could be done with a counterinsurgency strategy in afghanistan in crystal general mcchrystal. Was you know. Watch what we do here. When show the model for how we can go in and clear an area and begin to build some capacity among the afghans in transition things to them and basically what ended up happening is every stage that operation in which our servicemembers obviously performed capably heroically Was really hard you know it was. It was hard to dislodge the taliban it was hard to get any kind of sense of an afghan governing authority. There were serious challenges with the kind of model. How do you develop a different kind of economy from the kind of drug based economy that that the taliban preyed upon and i just remember thinking that this is a relatively small population center in southern afghanistan. If the idea which was what the military is kinda pitch was around the surge of of taking a counterinsurgency strategy like this around the entire country. I mean the scale of what was required to do that. Bruce's kind of what i saw in this kind of in miniature operation. Marsha just occurred to me. There's just no way that we could sustain that effort. Even if it could succeed it would require even far more resources than had been ordered in with the surge over a pretty open ended a period of time. That's when for me personally really hit home. That like look. We have a space in afghanistan to be able to conduct a terrorism mission and and very aggressively did in the first obama term to degrade al qaeda particularly pakistan so afghanistan is almost platform to get at the challenge book pakistan but this broader mission of pacifying the entire country defeating the taliban militarily and building up a governing authority. I think you know for me. It was actually ironically the height of the surge. When i realized that i just don't think that is a is either an achievable or sustainable mission. I think it's right around the same time for. Maybe because i think that was paired with that is the annual alluded to this is the recognition that the initial objective of denying the safe haven for terrorism had been achieved at that point. That's right around the point where we think we relocated and go okay. That's not really in doubt anymore. Proof of that was that they were having to move their operations to that sort of lawless section of pakistan. Because because they couldn't operate in a way where they could play international terrorist attacks. And in fact i mean pakistan had become an external sanctuary for launching attacks in afghanistan at that point so i agree and and then what anybody listening to this. This thinking is one. Then how the hell did we end up there for so much longer. And i don't fully have the answer to that. But it kind of taps into the part where i get a little angry not anybody in particular but it's angry because i realize that ultimately the answer to that i think is americans in the last week have rediscovered that we've been at war in afghanistan really long time and they're kind of mad to find that out and that just pisses me off jason. Yeah i guess. I can kind of walk. Here's sir how why. I think we're still there. And look i on the spectrum of obama advisers. I don't think it would surprise. People that will number when i wasn't like calling shots on the fan. But but insofar as over the period of the eight obama years. I was kind of becoming more senior. I was usually on the spectrum arguing for withdrawal. I think you essentially if you think about this. Were were peaking at about one hundred thousand troops through the surge which kind of culminates in the spring of two thousand eleven. And that's really the the effort you know obama's logic and because you identify the we're afghanistan. It's almost helpful. The thing of it is to wars right like there's the war to deny a safe haven a terrorist into gun. Give the united states at very large platform in south asia. To be able to go after al-qaeda a particularly in pakistan as well as in afghanistan and then there's this war to build up afghan security forces and afghan governor authority and to kind of degrade the taliban sufficiently that an afghan government can survive and so the surge is the height of both of those efforts. Because it's both the the highest pace of the effort to go. After the al qaeda safe haven which obviously reaches its crescendo with the operation to take out osama bin laden in the spring of two thousand eleven and the height of our efforts to kind of Support an enhanced governing authority and then obama begins a drawdown in june twenty eleven and the whole theory of the draw down. We're gonna train up. These afghan security forces and transition to them in two thousand fourteen was the moment in which the afghans we're going to move into the lead for most of the fighting in the country..
"afghanistan" Discussed on Hacks on Tap with David Axelrod and Mike Murphy
"Hue and cry that you'll hear i think it's You know your tug to this emotionally. I certainly am is about human rights. It's about those young women who have experienced a different kind of life in the last twenty years Who now are subject to being thrown back to the dark ages and so on You know about this summary executions and sharia law and all of that but yeah as you point out. We can't and biden pointed out. I think he you know perhaps to bluntly in in an interview or a press conference. Recently there are lots of places in the world where there are grave injustices going on. We can't them all with the us military or the state department or us aid or slide shows or anything else people choose to be the people they are and that's a hard thing but it. It is a reality and we keep trying to fight that at great cost. But you're not surprised though because you're a reagan republican that the you one of the hallmarks of reaganism was we are a beacon. We are a beacon to the world we are the force we are a beacon of light of for democracy And you know. I guess my question is how do we. How do we leverage that. And how do we have credibility when we say or do we say trump said. Hey you run your countries the way you want to run them and we don't have any business we you know navali. You're on your own You know everyone's on their own. We're gonna take care of our own national interests and that's just the way the world works. Is that what we're are. We willing to accept that. And if not what is the half way well that that's the hard thing it's the gravid you know we've always had this will sonian instinct. Which doesn't always work on the other hand. We don't want to be real. We don't wanna be the romans Yeah nuke afghanistan problem solve You know so. The the question is the middle and i think part of its cultural awareness. It is harder. We ought to know more about where we go you know. Afghanistan is except for metropolitan kabul not very cosmopolitan not western civilization and they're organized killing infidels and we're infidels on the other hand saving east germany and behind the iron curtain eastern europe. Right up our alley because something to work with their and we just gotta be hard minded about it. I'm not trying to revert back the partisan corners here. But i think this is where this this is where the real deconstruction of what trump did and didn't do is gonna come to bear because you david asked this question. Precipice on what leverage we and that leverage much of that leverage if not all of it dissipated in what what trump concoct there wasn't a conditions based withdrawal. There wasn't he wanted to buy a phony piece You know the the you wanted to be auto the re election that everybody was coming home and quite frankly wanted everyone to probably come home either. Before the election announced long before the election everyone would be would be home by december. So i worry greatly.
"afghanistan" Discussed on Hacks on Tap with David Axelrod and Mike Murphy
"Hey pull up a chair. Attacks on tap with david. Axelrod robert gibbs and mike murphy ask the fourth american treasury tra- preside over warrant afghanistan to democrats to republicans. I will not pass this response responsible. Fifth president i will not mislead the american people by claiming the just a little more time in. Afghanistan will make all the difference nor will i shrink from my share responsibility for where we are today and how we must move forward from here. I am president of the united states of america. And the buck stops with me. Kind of murphy. Kind of the buck stops with him. I thought you know he. He made a persuasive case on why he felt. We should get out of afghanistan. He didn't make very Persuasive presentation about how we or getting out of afghanistan and the serb dessel tori way. Were getting out of it And so this is such a big thing this story that we had to all get together and bring brother gibbs in as well. yeah now. this is an al-haq sun deck Situation near look. I think he broke. I thought the speech was mediocre and clumsy. He broke the first rule of presidential big moment. Emergency speeches which is the key point. You gotta make should not be so far into the speech that have some listeners. Holding their breath they will be dead by the time it comes around so this should have started with him taking responsibility for this moment on his watch then he can back up and litigate. The bigger question of should we be in afghanistan why he accepted the trump plan to to pull out. But but there there needed to be much more ownership at the front and he punted on that made the whole speech defensive and political and i think he hurt his case. He's the situation where he needs to make a better case. It'd be a good moment early on the show disagree. I think we all agree that the withdraw particularly what we've seen over the past. Several months highlighted in the past week has been polit I i don't even say that there was a lack of planning. Because i'm not even sure there was a planning It doesn't look like it. I thought the speech was effective because while there are a lot of pictures right now about the withdraw to be the more important thing and the more politically salient thing is the idea. That biden has long wanted to get out of there believed the idea of nation building that you could create some civil society in a democracy and have a security force that protected all of it was a giant fantasy and that is what quite frankly. Most of the people in america agree with him on. So i thought i wish he would have taken more responsibility. He got to it And maybe that earlier in the speech. But i thought the both important part of the speech was to reiterate that we can't be there any lauck jet look i think. He scored on that I i you know. And i thought we can go through some of the some of the clips And we should of him making that case but the thing that people were watching on television. The thing that we're experiencing right now And it may. This moment may pass they. May you know although it seems pretty. Clear that if you're not a at the airport in in kabul right now you may be. Sol in terms of getting out of the country You know but so to not to not say you know. I said yesterday On the tube. That jeff k after the bay of pigs said Victory has a thousand fathers Defeat is an orphan. I am the responsible officer of this government. And you know what he actually benefited from that politically he. His numbers went up. Because people say there's a guy taking responsibility and so you know he was biden was a a he was. The buck stopped at his desk on the decision. Which i you know we can we. Should we should talk about that. I think it was the right decision politically. i think. It was the right decision on policy difficult though it it may be but he was a buck passer when it came to the The way in which this all came down. And you know it was trump's fault it was the Afghans foul all which was true but it happened on his watch. Any stood up in front of the country in april and said. This isn't how it was going to go down yet did succeed. This speech has to be as to talk about afghanistan. But it's about him in this moment and that's where opening the speech by owning up in a clear noninvasive way would have done a lot of good instead he's going. I agree of gibbs. He he's going to the poll numbers which are yeah. People wanna be out of afghanistan some forty or civil war. We've been there for twenty years. We have a huge pile of leadership failures. There i might add. We have thousands of aerobic americans who fought an absolute guide and bled there and they deserve nothing. But i respect because none of this failure was. There's it was the boys. At the top with the stars on the shoulders and oval offices and experts national security end in the intelligence community who had a multi year. Screw up. and there's some good histories coming out. There's a new one in particular And so by needed to own his part of it which is right now because somebody decided not to fortify kabul before somebody side to trust the taliban And we were unprepared and you know. That's the buck stops with them tag. That on the end of the speeches and also ran. That should have been the lead in that. That was his mistake. And this thing politically. It's not it's bad now. those are those are jimmy. Carter helicopter crash benghazi images on steroids but the futures. What's really going to determine because this you know biden. This guy ran as i've been around foreign policy for forty five years. I know what to do. His narrative is now being shoved over to the former defense secretary biden critic gates version of..
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"Way actually tried to attack the west. They just wanna do some heroin and fox and little boys. They'll they'll stick themselves. They want to rule afghanistan. You know that's martha stewart show on the taliban network but that And so it's it's just this is this is the there's just no justification in. There never was for for us to be involved in war there and as far as all of these kind of like post hoc justifications that are that are coming out now like look. It's it might be really terrible the way little girls are treated there and terrible. The way little boys are treated their terrible the way lots of adults are treated there. But that's true in a lot of parts of the world and that is not adjusted vacation for us to go on a twenty year war spend trillions of dollars and thousands of lives on it. Then you know all those people it's like if you if you think it is worth that then you you can go. Just don't advocate forcing other people's kids to go. That's that's my My take on it. I also do think even though you are right to some degree that the narrative is not exactly that this war was a was a great success and we just had to stay in bought the. Because i think even that they they realize just to a bridge too far to to sell to anyone paying attention i can. Let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show which is bambi when running a business. Hr issues can kill you. Wrongful termination suits minimum wage requirements labor regulations and hr manager's salaries are not cheap an average of seventy thousand dollars a year. Bambi spelled b. a. m. b. e. was created specifically for small businesses. You can get a dedicated. Hr manager craft hr policy and maintain.