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Hi, everyone. Welcome to your weekly tech update. The show that explores the newest coolest craziest side of tech available on the interwebs. I'm your robot geek remake Neil given up on the program today. Husqvarna cz first electric motorcycle turns out to be a mini bike for robotics. New social robot gives the assistant of face and happening in this week's what the monkey steals. A Cobra from a snake charmer at an Indian temple that at a whole lot more coming up on your weekly tech update next. Hi, everyone Husqvarna is a veteran staple in the motorcycle community. But when it comes to the electric bike markets. Well, it's still in its infant stages. The Swedish manufacturer took its first steps, however in the new landscape recently when it announced its fully electric bike that e five at the Milan motorcycle show amid numerous debuts from major players such as Honda in newcomers such as arc Husqvarna came to the with numerous bikes to show, including the smart pill in seven, oh, one the vict- Pillan, one ERO and most importantly, the all electric e e five appropriately this first foray is a small mini cycle intended for novice writers just getting into the exciting world of motocross the five has classic dirt bike styling that includes knobby tires. Beefy forks, minimal cladding, slim mudguards and didn't naked engine except this time that engine is simply an electric motor the claimed state of the art motor has five kilowatts about six point seven horsepower and runs on nine hundred seven watt. Hour lithium ion battery Husqvarna says the bike includes a quick charging system, but it doesn't go into too much detail about how long it takes or the range of the bike on a single charge aimed at beginner riders. The e five has a WP suspension or race, ready chassis an adjustable seat height and offer six different ride. Modes of the best part? It's not a concept. This baby is ready to go straight into production. Husqvarna says the five will be available to consumers starting sometime in the summer of twenty nineteen drone fleets could find lost hikers in the woods without using. GPS drones can already be effective. Search and rescue tools, but not in densely packed forest where the tree cover might block GPS signals. Thankfully, MIT has a clever solution use the same technology that guides self driving cars. It's researchers have developed drone tech that uses light. Art Tema forest without the use of any GPS each drone creates a two d map. That also includes the orientation of trees, making it easy to tell where the robotic aircraft has already been as it searches through a specified area that in turn makes it feasible to merge maps from an entire drone fleet and comb large swath so forest with a minimal wasted effort. The drones are more efficient in how they search to rather than simply telling the drones to cover the nearest unexplored area. MIT's method preserves as much of the drones. Momentum as possible this typically results in a spiral pattern that covers an area much faster important in a rescue mission. When every minute counts, there are limitations. However, the current system still needs an external ground station to merge maps together, and it would need an object recognition system to identify people. MIT envisions future versions sharing maps when they come in contact and object recognition is entirely realistic. If everything falls into place, the appeal will be obvious rescue teams could spot lost and wounded hikers in the woods without relying on large groups of people and likely at a much faster pace fans of science in space can now experience fast moving footage in even higher definition as NASA and ESA delivered the first ever eight K ultra high definition video of astronauts living working. Hang in conducting research from the international space station. The same engineers who sent high definition cameras three D cameras in cameras capable of recording four k footage to the space station. Have now delivered a new camera capable of recording images with four times the resolution then previously offered the helium eight K camera by red is capable of shooting at resolutions ranging from conventional HDTV all the way on up to eight K specifically that's eighty one ninety two by forty three twenty pixels by comparison. The average HD consumer television displays one thousand nine hundred pixels wide by one thousand eighty pixels tall and digital cinemas typically project and resolutions of two K to four K this new footage showcases the story of human spaceflight in more vivid detail than ever before you can now. Watches crew members advanced DNA sequencing in space study dynamic forces between sediment particles. Learn about genetic differences in space grown and earth grown plants. Observed low-speed water jets to improve combustion, processes within engines and explore station facilities. This is an awesome video while the four k camera brought beautiful footage of fluid behavior. In these space stations, micro gravity environment to the world, the new eight K video takes viewers through a variety of experiments and facilities aboard the orbiting outpost which on Friday, November second celebrated the eighteenth anniversary of humans living continuously aboard and the twentieth. Anniversary of the launch of the first to space station elements on November twentieth and December fourth nineteen ninety eight respectively delivered to the space station in April this cameras ability to record twice the picks. Souls and at resolutions four times higher than the four K cameras. Bring science in orbit into the homes laboratories and classrooms of everyone here on earth. The red camera is the same brand used to record theatrical releases such as the hobbit trilogy. Guardians of the galaxy volume two and television programs such a stranger things maniac and lost in space. You can watch high resolution footage from inside and outside the orbiting laboratory right now on your computer. Screens screen capable of displaying, an eight K resolution is required however for full effect, but the imagery is shot at a higher fidelity, and then down converted which results in higher quality playback, even for viewers who don't have and eight K screen available. For more information. Simply visit NASA gov forward slash eight. K dash science. Starman back in the news. He's put a lot of miles on his tesla roadster in the last nine months or so the red electric car ended spacesuit clad mannequin driver, which launched on the maiden mission of SpaceX is huge falcon heavy rocket in. February have now made it be on Mars next. Stop the restaurant at the end of the universe. Spacex posted on Twitter along with an orbit diagram. The cars entertainment display was programmed to read panic the phrase that adorns the cover of hitchhikers guide to the galaxy star man, of course, is a cultural references. Well, it's the title of the nineteen seventy two song by David Bowie. And musk said before launch that the roadster would play Bowie's nineteen sixty nine hit space oddity at full blast during its deep. Space trek though, storm in can't hear the famous too. In the airless. Void ultimately musk opted for Bowie's life on Mars as partying music for star, man. And the tesla musk has said that he launched the roadster and Starman because the duo was a lot more fun than the typical insert mass dummy payload launching a satellite or other valuable spacecraft wasn't an option because they didn't know how it was gonna turn out given the risks inherent in maiden flights storm in and his right, which once belonged to musk won't stay beyond Moore's forever, though, as you can see in the diagram the pair will loop back on their heliocentric orbit. Eventually coming about as close to the sun as earth does the roadster and Starman will come within a few hundred thousand kilometers of our planet in the year twenty ninety one according to an orbit modeling study the authors of that study by the way determine that the car will slam into either Venus or earth. Likely within the next few tens of millions of years, you can track the space mannequin and cosmic tesla at where is roadster dot com. The falcon heavy second mission, which will launch these Saudi Arabia communication, satellite. Arabs out six. Eight. Geostationary orbit is scheduled for January twenty nineteen a US worship has shot down a ballistic missile in space. As part of the latest test of the military's advanced interceptor technology and the entire feet was caught on video. The clip captures the moment sealers aboard the USS. John finn. Intercepted the medium range ballistic missile off, the west coast of Hawaii the SM three eviscerates its targets through the use of sheer force rather than an explosive warhead. It's manufacturer Raytheon describes the interceptor as a kill vehicle that Rams into a ballistic. Missile with the force of a ten ton truck, travelling six hundred miles an hour. The argument can be deployed both on land or at sea. It's designed to intercept short and medium range. Ballistic missiles, like the ones Russia in North Korea are stockpiling before the inbound threats reenter the atmosphere. This latest tests marks only the second ever success for the three following two botched launches in which field to hit its targets. The MDA held the test as a triumph based on observations initial data review noting that it will continue to evaluate the system's performance. Even though robo racists self driving car made it all the way up the hill at the Goodwood festival of speed. It won't be operating on algorithms alone. When its first season kicks off robo race has unveiled the car that will star in its inaugural season. You might notice one big difference between the car that'll run in races. And the. Car that was unveiled previously. Namely, there's space for a driver. Now what's going on guys? That's because robo racist. First season will use manned vehicles instead of driverless ones robo races, original intention and the goal that still strives towards in twenty twenty one was to create a completely driverless race the racing series would supply the vehicles and all the required hardware for a tawny. But it would be up to each team to create the algorithms and everything that actually made the cars run that means each team would have cars performing differently as opposed to a single speck of software that would probably lead to some boring races that first season which should start this spring. We'll be pretty interesting, according to motor sport dot com. Robo racists season alpha will probably have a single digits worth of cars on the grid. But they won't be exclusively under the control of Cubans. Either the race could be partly human driven with the rest left to artificial intelligence the car that will be used in season alpha is actually based on death bought the vehicle robo race used to help develop and demonstrate itself. Driving tech Dev bought two point. Oh, we'll be shaped similarly to the prototype, and it's capable of running under either human or computer control plans might have changed a bit. But robo racists, still insistent that it'll be worth watching the series space. X is revisiting it's satellite internet initiative Starlink and didn't now hopes to operate some of its spacecraft at a lower altitude than originally planned in a filing to the FCC SpaceX is now asking the agency to modify its license so that more than fifteen hundred startling satellites can operate at an altitude of about six hundred kilometers. Is lower than the company originally requested SpaceX argues that this change will make the space environment safer as it will be easier to get rid of the satellites at this new altitude when they run low on fuel or no longer function properly in orbit. This update. Could also explain the unexpected behavior of to of space Xs test satellites for Starlink which have remained in lower orbits than expected back in March the FCC approves SpaceX is license for the first phase of its ambitious sterling initiative, the company's long term plan to launch nearly twelve thousand satellites into orbit to be internet coverage down to earth initially, SpaceX asked for permission to launch satellites into orchids higher than one thousand one hundred kilometers. But with this new filing SpaceX is requesting that one thousand five hundred eighty four satellites be allowed to operate at five. One hundred and fifty kilometers. Instead, SpaceX said that moving the satellites to a lower altitude means that it can do more with less originally, the company said it needed sixteen hundred satellites but moving them lower means that the company can get to these same results with sixteen fewer spacecraft and the lower altitude makes it easy to dispose of these satellites once they're done in space, this height particles from earth's atmosphere. Bombard the spacecraft more rapidly pushing them out of orbit and dragging them down to the planet and on the way down. Well, they burn up in the atmosphere, making sure these spacecraft come out of orbit in a timely manner is crucial because of the vast number of the things that SpaceX wants to put in orbit a constellation the size of Starlink could dramatically increase the number of operational satellites and space raising the risk of in-space. Collisions are recent. Nasa study argued that ninety nine percent of the satellites will need to be taken out of orbit reliably within five years of launch or the risk of satellite. Collisions goes up quite a bit. The FCC still needs to approve space Xs request, but the commission has declared November space month. So it's possible. There may be some movement on this very soon. In the meantime, space x says it plans to launch its first batch of Starling satellites sometime in twenty nineteen. The electric frontier foundation launched a virtual reality experience on its website recently teaches people how to spot and understand the surveillance technologies. Police are increasingly using to spy on communities. Spot the surveillance which works best with VERA headset, but we'll also work on a standard browser places. Users a three hundred sixty degree street scene in San Francisco in the scene. A young resident is in an encounter with police users or challenge to identify surveillance tools by looking around the scene. The experience takes approximately ten minutes to complete the surveillance technologies. Featured in the scene included body worn camera, automated license plate readers, a drone mobile biometric device in Pinto zoom cameras the project draws from years of research gathered by EFF in its street level. Surveillance project which shines a light on how police use and abuse technology to spy on communities. The current version is now being made available for user testing EFF seeks user feedback and bug reports which will be incorporated into an updated version scheduled for release in spring of twenty nineteen created by EFF's engineering and design team these stop the surveillance VR experience can be found right now at UF dot org forward slash spot. Dash VR shops, scanned pay go. The entire shopping experience will be in customers hands at select seven eleven stores during the pilot of the new mobile checkout feature taking convenience to the next level scan and pay let's customer skip the checkout line and pay for their purchases using the seven eleven app. The scannon pay pilot launched in fourteen seventy. Stores in the Dallas area giving customers a convenient checkout alternative to waiting in a long line scan and pay works on both Android in Iowa's devices and is available for all seven eleven merchandise, excluding items that require cashier assistance. That would be things like hot food financial services and age verified products such as alcohol tobacco and lottery. Tickets with skin and paid you can use your smartphone to skin and pay for your items wild you shop enabling you to skip the line and get on with your day. This new friction Lewis shopping experience is integrated into the seven rewards loyalty program allowing consumers to automatically earn seven rewards points. Upon purchase you can redeem points to purchase applicable products as well as receive all in store. Promotions. Seven eleven is the first store chain to develop proprietary technology for a full friction Lewis payment experience from star. To finish the company plans to expand the service to additional cities in two thousand nineteen giving even more customers than opportunity to control their purchase process. Hence shopping etiquette. Scannon pay is the latest in a series of digital technology enhancement seven eleven has made available to consumers others include offering various mobile payment options expanding the seven rewards program to a wider range of eligible purchases. Augmented reality experiences, offering in-store package pickup via the one thousand one hundred Amazon lockers located at participating seven eleven stores and launching these seven now delivery app in select markets if you'd like more information about these and other seven eleven digital technology innovations simply visit seven eleven dot com. Even as little as ten years ago. Many people would have thought talking to our phones and other gadgets might seem a bit out of reach now. I'm talking to a voice assistant has become almost as ordinary as asking a human for directions almost but not quite further hat robotics wants to change that though these Stockholm-based startup unveiled its for has social robot, and you can think of it as a smart speaker with the face, the company thinks that will give voice assistance more humanity and make them easier to talk to in a more natural way. The uses a projection system to display lifelike face on a three dimensional head shape display. It is capable of communicating a wide range of facial expressions and will respond with them accordingly. If you talk to it with a rude tone in your voice, it might scowl at you. But tell it good morning, and it will greet you with a friendly smile. The head has three degrees of motion and will attempt to maintain contact with the speaker it achieves this through wide. Angled high definition camera and beam forming stereo microphones the faces fully customizable options include male female, child and animal like faces gestures and facial expressions are also, customizable, there are a variety of voices to choose from as well. And because I'm a Star Trek. Geek, I'm hoping one of those options is cling on for hat says the customization possibilities allow users to create unique robots with individual personalities while the company's press release states that the robot is market ready, it appears it's not up for sale. As of yet. The company is looking for more developers to sign onto the project. It has already gained interest from firms like Disney research team mobile, Honda, Intel and others. No price has been mentioned either. I really don't think talking to an AI with the faces gonna make me more comfortable, it seems a little creepy. But. That's how Siri felted I two and finally happening in this week's what a monkey steals. A Cobra from a snake charmer at an Indian temple. I kid you not a security camera outside in Indian temple captured the entire moment that a wild monkey ran up to a snake charmer and stole his venomous. Cobra the video shows the snake charmer removing his Cobra from a basket as the monkey descends. The wall of the building behind him the primate then runs up behind the man, grabs the Cobra and runs back up the wall with the snake the man attempts to climb in nearby vendor's cart to chase the monkey but witnesses say he was unable to retrieve. The Cobra monkey snatch food and things from people frequently in the area. But this is the first time a monkey has snatched a snake probably thinking that it was food. Thanks for watching your weekly tech update. If you have a story, you think I should feature on the program. Shoot me an Email. L DJ Ray McNeil at g mail dot com. Find us on Facebook at your weekly tech update. And check out our podcast audio and video versions available on itunes, Google, Spotify audio burst and elsewhere on the interwebs till next time, I'm way making ill unite world. Unite world.
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Triangulation 379: Alex Glow
Today on the show. We'll talk to Alex glow. She is the lead hardware nerd at hacks. Ter- dot ISO. Jess you. From people you trust. This is. This is triangulation episode three seventy nine recorded Monday, December seventeenth twenty eighteen for Friday. January fourth twenty nineteen Alex glow welcomed the triangulation. This is the show where every week we talk to you some of the most interesting people working in technology working with tectonic technology and today, I'm super excited to talk to Alex glow. She is a maker a creator an excellent explainer for Hexter dot IO in San Francisco. Now, I I learned about Alex's work. When I read about Archimedes AK Archie. That's her robot familiar if you're watching the video version and not just listening. What you should you can see Archimedes right now and Archimedes can judge your emotions using Google a I y which will talk all about that they use so much for joining us, Alex. Thank you for inviting me owes two per stoked. So let's start from the beginning. When when did you know that you loved hardware when did you? Realize you loved hardware. Oh boy. I guess. Okay. So first robotics is an amazing program. And I happened to go to an all girls school and we had a team team six seven seven years. And I loved working with. Oh, you have pictures go. Sorry. All right. So I was really having a lot of fun on the controls team. So we were doing some programming in cubic. I think might have been PVC, and I got to do things like stripping wires and soldering stuff together. And I got to be a driver, which obviously is the most fun job on the team. And that, you know, working with giant robots you never get over it, right giant. But they're like kinda giant. So so what were some of your earliest projects your earliest stuff that you made? Oh, so I made this musical cyborg juggling machine. Which was this harnessed thing that's dropped to my waist with a cigar box on it the head of bunch of Motors. And so had these admit these sort of gloves out of leather was little copper wires running up. And then made these little copper rings that some others connected till my fingers, and I would juggle these tin foil balls, and they would basically. Act is really crude switches. So the ball would connect the two contacts, and that would allow power to flow to one of the Motors and those head it'll DC Motors that had zip ties attached to them. So when they spun zip ties would hit these bolts that were attached to magnets on the box, and they would make this horrible vibrating, fuzzy noise and also there was a spark spur gap on there. Yeah. So it made this kind of shocking blue thing that you didn't wanna touch. So it was like a noise machine. It was supposed to play like a thumb piano. But I didn't have the skill to like make one at that time. So that was pretty awful. And then I. Mazing more intense. When I read about the makes five dollar cracker box amp project and decided to build that. And that was my first lake sort of legit electron IX project, but also making a lot of non-electronic stuff at the time and that sort of continues. So I love like the tactile part of making him. Like, so there's a lot of three D printing in here. But there's also a tend to find that when you're doing three D modeling and stuff you get kind of divorced from the tactile sense of it. And that's actually why he ended up so cute because I didn't have the frame of reference to see that his head was so much bigger than his body. And that's a huge thing in robotics. Like, if you want critter to be cute, you I think it has to do with like neon new like our how we find young things cute and children have larger heads proportionally to their bodies. And so when you wanna make something look cute if you give like big is like white apart, and like give it a big head in proportion to its body than it ends up a lot sort of cuter. But also, there's a lot of sort of physical stuff like is molding the wires, and like now, I'm changing his wings. So that you have to attach them with elastic because it kept breaking as doing that this morning, actually, I love his little hat is. There's something under the has the have a purpose or. Just be to be jumped. So it is John t. Because he's got this Cade button as part of the I kit, and I'm not sure why not turning on. He's a he's finicky. But the arcade button, although it has this little sort of visible part has an actual stem. That's about this big with a screw on it where you'll have a nut that sort of touches it to stuff, and so I didn't have space to put that in the head as well as the raspberry pi and everything that's inside there. So I decided to just give him a little hat, and it's basically exactly the size it needs to hold the arcade button. Awesome. Does does he make noise? He does one is brain fires up. You know? It's it's always something. You know, he's a bit of a diva. So I'm gonna replugged is Brandon the battery pack and we'll see in about four minutes if he wakes up come on, dude. Do what he has your use Google AI, y yeah, tell us what that is. So hey, I y is sort of contraction of DIY in a is. So it's there's these kits that are designed to teach people to build their own artificial intelligence project. And they're really good. Actually, there's one called the vision kit, which is pretty self explanatory and the one called the voice kit, which is sort of for building your own voice assistant. Yeah. And so you see it comes in this little cardboard box. It has a Piazzolla buzzer for sound and a little camera and stuff and you can make your own python skits to program it runs on a. Raspberry pi zero w board. So what I like about the vision kit is that it doesn't actually require the internet in order to run. Even though it has a Peiser w which is the like wireless, wifi and bluetooth version. You don't actually need those in order to. To make the the kit run it will run off line and super easily, which is great. If you're going to like maker faire something which I'm sure you've probably been, but if you ever tried to connect to the internet or even cellular it's kind of a nightmare and so. Hey. Now. Let's wait your Motors up. There we go. Okay. I don't use try and see what emotions people are doing. Anyway. So you can hear them make little beep. Boop, sometimes in his like little hat will light up depending on what emotion he thinks. You're doing. Is being a little bit of a Davis. But yeah, so the airline kits super great and he's based on the the vision kit, his current programming makes him think that people are sad most of the time. So when you see him go blue, that's what that means as well as the bit of boop. That that means sadness. But I think that I can modify that pretty easily in order to make it. So that he it's very distracting in order to make it. So that he is a little bit more optimistic about the world. You know, that's wasting. We should all once you figure out how to make them do that make sure that figure out how the rest of us can do that actually kinda working on that. That's what this thing is a little bit. I have this whole series of projects that I call mind-altering gadgets because I'm really interested in how to like, modify your psyche in positive ways without using either chemicals, or you know, implants, or whatever because definitely too squeamish for that. But, you know, so this idea is that you know, what if you could make a sad limp on your face. And it turns out that there's a few companies developing this right now, so I sort of ganked their research, and it turns out that if you use a blue LED, that's really close to your is it similar to using, you know, full spectrum or. Whatever bowls from that far away. Whereas be ten thousand Lux and take a bunch of power put it up here. This can run on five volts, and you just put it on your face. It looks really Dorgan's Iowa gear it now, but I kind of love that. But probably for later versions, look a little bit more, nor me, so I picture you wearing glasses or is that just the blue light that we're seeing. So you said, sadly, like a seasonal affective disorder lamp, and this can also be to adjust your circadian rhythms. So that you get over jet lag, for example, faster. That's a super cool concept. And so there's three companies right now that are building a face mounted versions of this, which I think is a great development. It's much more portable, you know, and you can sort of wear it. As you go about your business for the first like twenty or thirty minutes of your day. There's not a total amount of agreement on how long you should wear for or how many lumens or what exact wavelength you should use. But they have a fair amount of agreement between like in a certain range somewhere between like twenty or thirty minutes like four fifteen animators. I think is like the blue wavelengths, obviously know UV, you don't want to be piping UV into your eyes. You know, that don't put it don't shine it directly in that's bad. They get like kind of diffused. So is the talk about like a project like the glow up. How does that start? Do. You. Learn about the sad mirrors and think I can do that. And put it on my face like how tell talk us through the volition of one of these projects. Yeah. Actually, so these two have kind of similar backstory. So in this case, Google, send us the vision kit, and their voice kitten. I've built them on the show. I decided that I wanted to make a project with it for maker faire and started brainstorming from that. Like, what can we do that will make this more interesting? I'm from this. This was inspired by the badge, life culture. So people getting really excited about building PCB, circuit board badges for conferences, and I was like well mostly used things end up in a drawer, and they don't serve a lot of us, which is cool. Art is great. But you know, what if we could make it? So that it will actually help you. And I was like, well it's winter like what can we do that seasonal the isn't just? Snowflakes, and you know, 'cause California and. Snowflakes in Holly in whatever. So I was like, well, you know. Seasonal affective disorders? Obviously extremely seasonal. It's seasonal in the name. And it's something that could be very affecting to people who are inside a lot as well as well. As people who go to conferences are often traveling from somewhere far away. So this could be useful for both of them. And I started out thinking what have you may like a big grid of LED's like the mister robot? Badge has a sixteen by sixteen Greg grid of LED's or something. And I was looking at a things for that. And there's like ten thousand Lumine than holy crap. That's gonna take so much power as a drain your batteries instantly. So like what if you you know, since light decays like an inverse square over distance. Right. What if you put it up closer to your face? And then I started doing some research and figure it out that people are already doing this. And so I was like, yes, it's not really proven technology yet. It's not super accepted in culture. So they all these companies that are producing these products have pitches on. Their websites about like, how does it work? What is the science because they have to still prove themselves to their potential customers. So as able to just sort of yoink that and use it for my own research on and happened to have some blue LED's on hand. It's also it also depends on like what I'm interested in investigating at that time. So I wanted to do more robotics, and I'm really interested in where bowls that go beyond just LED's. So that was part of our communities is as well. And in this case, I've been playing around with this Bentham tools desktop PCB mill, and so I was able to use adobe captured at just drew out the shapes on a piece of paper used the adobe capture app to turn those into really crisp clean images and SPG's dropped those into the bantam mill software and sort of resized them. So that they became this just from a drawing, and so this is a double-sided PCB substrate that was just milled out. An ahead. The Elliot's on hand and everything else is just kind of obviously sort of junked together. This is a little five volt USB connector that I had from another kit. And yeah, so stuck them altogether. How did you learn all this like where where where does one go to learn how to use adobe capture and do it was just volving over the years? How did you learn all these skills a lot of it is evolving over the years? A lot of it is having diverse interests. So adobe capture I learned about from following people like cartoonists and animators in the stuff. There's so many people doing stuff on the internet in all kinds of different media. Of course. So like, I kind of soak up everything like there's stuff that I pull from music technology, and from other kinds of stuff, I don't know. Wearable, tech and whatever. So you kind of I think capture I learned about from some kind of comics tutorial or something, but a lot of my skills, I picked up from hacker spaces, and in particular all hands active, which is a the a hotshot, which is sort of an Arbor hacker space. Oh, yeah. And noise bridges. Well, so noise bridges sort of the best known bay area hacker space, and they happen to be running a fundraiser not right now. If I may mention it. Sweet. I think it's donate dot noise, bridge dot net. But because the they're having some issues with the landlord deciding not to renew the lease in. So we need to find a permanent home, and it'd be awesome. If people can sort of like, push and just get a few extra donations in there. That's all the like sales personnel. I'm gonna do like hacker spaces are awesome. And that's where I learned like most of the stuff that I know about this stuff besides independent exploration. And if you. It's sort of serendipitous you go and work on your bike lights, or whatever there happened to be people working on other cool stuff in the same space. You ask them what they're doing this? You what you're doing stuff happens and just organically? You learn so much cool stuff that solves problems. You didn't even know that you had as it helps sort of maintain your momentum. So for people who are listening to might not know what a hacker space is. How would you best describe one, oh, it's like a community workshop, so they might be familiar with things like tech shop, which is sort of a commercial hacker space sort of for profit, and that will have typically like staff and people who like our employees to fix the machines. A hacker space is sort of the community version of that that was sort of around I and that sort of rose from people having some tools and wanting to share them with other people and wanting to sort of pool their resources to get for example, a laser cutter a drill press, you know, a three D print. Her thing like things like that. And so you can go there, and there's like industrial sewing machines, there's vinyl cutters for making cool stickers in this. I'm going to unplug. His brain. Yeah. There's suffer. Everyone is like programming classes that are often free your donation based and stuff like that. So it's sort of a self sustaining space often, the space itself is sort of project that the community is doing there's this philosophy of democracy, which is that if you think something should happen or should be changed. Then you do it. It's not like you right on the list being like who someone to do this thing. And then everyone is basically just going to be like you just volunteered. Sweet. So it's sort of like DIY ethos, but also do it together. So how would you? What's the difference between a hacker space in a maker space? Oh, yeah. So I think the terms are basically interchangeable and in England, for example, you'll hear hack space instead of hacker space, and they're all pretty much the same thing. Like, I think hacker space maybe was a term that was around before maker space, and then people started saying makers base because it's a little more inclusive. It doesn't imply that you have to be doing stuff with technology. Like there's stuff for, you know, fabric arts and other types of visual art, as well and like food hacking, which is like, you know, there was someone noise bridge for a while it was making these healthful vinegars or something. So there's lots of people who are into like Furman tation, and that's not, you know, strictly technology based. But it is something that sort of people in the same kind of community can get behind. And so I think that's where the maker space word. Comes from. But I think that hacker space was more the original term coming from like seabass in Berlin and stuff, so occasionally volunteer in the elementary schools maker space, and it's really just a closet with like yarn and paint. And you know, and and some of the moms of boys came into complain like this isn't really a maker space. There's no stuff for boys. I imagined through. I know I know, and I said yes there is and I imagined through your experience, you've probably many times been the only woman in the room or really, you know, a lot of your stuff is could, you know, is is what might be called crafty. And so talk a little bit about how that's been just sort of, you know, moving through the world's as the your that world as a woman who's really interested in hardware and art totally. So I. I will say that I've had a relatively easy time of it. Because I have a lot of privilege based on my own presentation. Like, I am why I'm skinny like, I can I'm fully abled and stuff. So I have a lot easier time of it than some other people for sure. But. Yeah. So now that I have some visibility through my job and stuff. I actually really love the fact that I get to. Spread this world that you don't have to be those things aren't mutually exclusive. Like, I love seeing it. When dudes do things that are super textile focused like there's actually a lot of people that I know who identifies due to wear like nail polish and stuff and use that as a a way of expression like part of this badge. Life culture, actually, one of the the main proponents of Dreyfus genie was sort of inspired, this whole fingernail hacking. Series of projects, although people were already doing that like Sophie wall, Naomi wound. So we're like already doing some of that stuff. But. Yeah. So that sort of became a thing. And I love how inclusive that was I feel like it's definitely a part of my job to help break down those barriers for everyone. So that people don't see like oh yarn and glue like that's obviously not for boys. Like what if you're someone is like really excited about that? I would suck and the same thing for like, the girls, you know, you don't want to have anyone be feeling like they they can't get into technology because of how they are one of the most important things I think about promoting inclusion is giving people the opportunity early on to get some of the basics down. So that they feel confident stepping into space like a hacker space. So for example, I feel like the stuff that I learned at in robotics in high school gave me a strong ground to like keep experimenting with like my my university private server during college, for example. But also. Getting into the hacker spaces afterwards in sort of proving that I had a place there, it kind of sucks that in most communities, you do have to kind of prove that you that you deserve to be there that you have an interest. But that's definitely the case. And so I just saw that actually I was busy on David. I found out the black girls code ran a robotics workshop for a ton of young women in Oakland on Saturday, and I would love to help support that because like that's that's the exact kind of thing that you need which is like this early exposure. So that people have the confidence to sort of hold their own and feel like yes, I can step into this space and not feel like I'm a Representative of my gender. And by not being great at tech. I'm like influencing people's perception of women as a whole, you know, I think that's one of the most important things is that you if you are the only person who looks like you in a room, then you feel like you have to be perfect. You have to be so on point because otherwise it's like, you know, that you're. Reinforcing stereotypes. So I feel like that's where a lot of the power lies. I guess the stuff. And so have you seen a lot of the hacker spaces running? I mean needing to raise more money. Like, you talked about noise bridge. Like is there are they on the decline or I mean, it seems like the it seems like the maker movement was really big. And now, I'm not so sure I mean, what are your thoughts on that? I think that definitely that is something that hackers spaces always have to be mindful of they often live in these spaces that may end up getting priced out as rents rise in their area and stuff which affects everyone, you know, hacker spaces as well. But also other small local businesses and things I think the maker movement is such a conundrum right because there's been companies Lee that tried to sort of monetize it or market towards makers, pardon me. And they seemed to sort of assume that everyone. Everyone wanted to start at zero technology and become like a tech magnet or like create their own company or whatever not real wants to do that most of makers want to be hobbyists like they have another job. And this is like what they do on the side. Although a lot of people would love to do that. And also. I lost my train of thought there. Maker the maker movement. Yeah. So. Of a big part of that. Right. Is that you're able to kind of Cluj things together from what you already have. It's this creative reuse thing as well as anything else. And so when you come in and start being like hair makers, I have this three hundred dollar board. That's perfect for your project and people are like, but can I get it for free or like can I make this some other way like everyone? It's this really ingenious community of like, you know, building with what you already have billing things for cheap and stuff. And so if people try to monetize that then those efforts are probably not going to work super great. And I think that's part of where the, you know, for well tech companies were really trying to go at one way, which was sort of. Let's try and take this and really monetize it and the way that they were doing it didn't really mesh with the community. So it wasn't very super successful in the end. But the hacker spaces as communities, I think continue to flourish. It's just the as with other. Communities as rents rise and things get more crowded than it becomes harder for people to find good spaces for it. And then, you know, there's so tech shop went bust, but some of those spaces have been taken over by other companies or like, more local companies and sort of fractured. I think a lot of those shards still live on we'll keep growing. So is that kind of the spirit with that at Hexter was born just kind of not trying to necessarily sell three hundred dollars awards, but really create a hacker space. More of a hacker space online. Oh, I love that. Yeah. Exactly. And the whole time we haven't been trying to make money off of the makers like that's not how our model works, which is. I think why we've managed to be successful. So it's always been this. We used to call it the Robin Hood model. Basically, we have a lot of big companies that use us like Microsoft Samsung, Intel, it's and they would for example, pay for a white label version of a page so windows on devices. Dot com. For example, was his thing where Microsoft had their IOT windows ten core. And they made a site for it. And there was a project sort of area in that site that was just actor with the skin on it that sort of matched their whole site lookout. So it was seamless they paid us for that. And you know for big companies where they're able to pay for, you know, running big contests and giveaways and things paying for interview series. For example, we do we have a really great collaboration with arm right now with their inter innovators series gotten to introduce some really cool people for that. And so that's kind of like what the Cy has support itself on rather than trying to market boards specifically directly to makers, and you know, I think we saw some companies co about it in a way that wasn't gonna work super great. But then there's other companies that are coming in and doing a really great job of it. So we're still kind of in the next there. Well, I I've been getting the Hexter I o E mail for maybe eight months, I get it every day. I probably won't ever build any of this stuff. I might. But like I just enjoy it sort of like I like looking through Instagram and just like looking at them as things that people. Do do you think you have a lot of a lot of audience that just sort of lurks and doesn't create or do you think most of your audiences people that are really going to do it? I think both because there's you know, I follow load of cartoonist in the stuff, and I'm probably not going to become a cartoonist or anything. But I love to see the love to see what people are building. And I it feels really inspiring. Even if I'm not gonna do that direct thing expires me in sort of what I'm going to be doing a separate medium. And maybe that's sort of like what people get into. I can't look at our Twitter feed because I immediately end up with eighty tabs open problem. I think the, yeah, we do have like a ton of Facebook and Twitter followers. And a big part of what I try to do is make things that are accessible to people who don't want to spend a Jillian hours on webinars learning how to do specific things like there's so much about that kind of a hall moment. You know, if you're able to build something in a very short amount of time. An obviously, that's. That's if you were to build something, you know it. Ideally, my job would be making it much easier for you to find something that inspires you to do that and to jump off and do it. But yeah, I think I think we do have a lot of people who just follow us on Instagram or whatever because they like looking at cool robots? That's fine too. Yeah. I mean, it's just it's aspirated. I think I mean, I'm not gonna say I'm never going to do it. A never say never. So how can people get involved with Hexter like how how does it work for people? If they if they are makers or they're just lurker like me yet will you can just sign up run account. And then if you sign up for an account, the knows pretty great because you get to like stuff and bookmark stuff, and you can follow specific community. So a lot of people are, you know, obviously hackers is super broad community that involves a lot of different things. And so maybe you have more specific interests like wearable, tech, robotics, or home automation things that you can build it will make your office less awful. I don't know yours looks great. And I love mine too. But you know, that's not always the case. So, you know, whatever you're interested in you can probably help narrow down that kind of fire hose that you see of lots of really cool stuff all the time. And be like, okay. These are the things I'm interested in maybe like, these are the specific boards that I have in all follow those communities, and you can really kind of drill down into what you want to find getting back to the idea of hacker spaces. I've noticed that are local library has a three D printer. Now that people can just borrow. I don't know if that's a pretty is that is that a good place for people to to start. Definitely I love libraries, let me just say like the way that like librarians are such bad asses. And the fact that they're so committed to bringing all these different resources to people for free or is inexpensively as possible is amazing. Like, I listen to audio books on my phone. I just use an app to get from the library. It's missing the libraries are. Great in terms of three D printing is an entry into electron- IX. I sure there's a couple of resources that are really great for getting started in that. So tinker CAD, for example is an online browser based CAD computer aided design program. So you just make a free account, and you can like drag and drop stuff, and sort of meld it together put big holes in it in different shapes and stuff. Wow. You were on it. And easily create simple things that are you know, whatever your inspired by you can even design circuits to go along with them. And also singer vers- and grab CAD thing. Ever says 'specially is a good place to get models to start out with. So you can find something online for any interest like whether it's robotics or just little cute things like phone charms or ornaments, or whatever or flowerpots or lamp shades. All this stuff, you can find things to three d print and or laser cut that will help give you sort of the practice with printing or laser cutting, and then you can move onto modifying those things by dragging them into tinker CAD or building your own things as well. You know, those are both tinker gotten thing averse great ways to get started with three D printing. If you have a three D printer at your library. I've always wondered about like if you have to bring your own. You know, filament or how that works because I can get expensive. Yeah. I'm not sure it depends on the library about maybe they have like a part of their budget. Or maybe it's donation based for example at noise bridge, you you can use this radio printers for free. But if you use like a certain amount of filament, which is sort of the honor system, you know, you would want to bring your own or donate extra for the filament one of the things that you might have seen on the noise which donate pages that you can donate to specific projects. And that includes things like the laser cutter three D printer or whatever. So see uh gosh. How are you? Let's talk a little bit Archimedes because I had a lot of questions. So you you brought up the wings. What what are you? How are you improving the wings? Oh, yeah. So the first time that I designed them I think this is still the model. It's up online. There are two printed. Loops that hold the wings onto these this armature wire sort of frame that I built and so that was gonna great because you could sorta pose the wings, and that looks really cute when they're kind of like sticking out. And he's like, what's you know, he has kind of a personality. But unfortunately, when I travel with him I have to stick them in a box, the bucks here. And I try to put stuff around him to make it easier. And there's like stuff like foam tape and extra armature wire and things like that for fixing him. But sorry. We'll just pretend that didn't happen. So when I travel with him, it does tend to like the more rigid parts tend to get broken. So his beak will get broken a lot because it's made of these two little pieces of CD that. Yeah, you can just like cut up CDs and use them for stuff, but you had to boil them first. Why do you bring them because the way that they are to start with there too thick to cut until kind of like start separating delaminating as you cut them. But if you boil them they split in half to start with and then you can easily cut them without that happening. So that would break off a lot. And then the wings would also break off sometimes because those loops just aren't sturdy enough, partly because of the way that they're printed. You know, it was three D printing. You you kind of go around go up in layers, right? So one layer one layer one layer and based on how you print it. If you want to loop or ring to be really strong you want that to be in the horizontal plane. So that the whole loop is sort of like connected, right? And it's very strong in the side to side sort of sheer plane. Unfortunately, the way that these wings are printed. It's like from the bottom up. And so when I had these loops coming down they were sort of like layer by layer. And that makes them rather brittle and fragile. So. So those broke off a now I'm trying to replace that with with little rubber bands. Basically that hold them to the armature wire, which makes them much more elastic. Obviously, it does make them more floppy. So I'm a little sad about the posing right now. But I hold them on with little right now. I'm just. I'm attaching ROY angle headers into the wings by heating them up with a lighter actually and trying to just shove them into the filament because it melts at a fairly low temperature. So I'm able to to sort of show the metal hooks into their done so metal. And then connect those around the armature wire with elastic bands. And that's a little bit more flexible, but it's still I think I would like more more tension on there because they're a little floppy. But you know, we'll get there. And I read that you sort of change something. So it would make it easier for people like at maker faire and stuff to take pictures of. Yeah. So I don't have the hooked up right now. Because I wanted to him to be able to just do the sort of standard motion thing that he does with the Dino control. What's your problem? Anyway. Either. So there's a system called chirp the basically makes it so that you can have machines communicate with each other via RTD to noises that encode data in sound. It's really cool. I could do a little example if you want, but yeah. So we made an a raspberry pi setup that has a little sound card on it and can listen for these Chirps. So I made it so that when I sent him emojis from my phone, so like, Al happier. Owl sad or algae's, and he'll like do a specific little animation that I programmed in python. The cheese one is the specific one for doing photos because I obviously if he's moving around a bunch or like looking off in that direction or whatever or like over there, you know, then it's not very good for photos, please like constantly moving around or and I have to like unplug him and like manually pose him, which is a little bit stressful because every time you stress those Motors it kinda is bad for him. So if I can make him sort of do that on his own when I sent him a little cheese emoji, then that'll be much easier, and I've got some of those animations program. But again, that's not hooked up right now because he's doing his little sort of default little random animation the yeah, I'm really excited about that. And a daily he's going to be able to chirp back at me. I I don't think you can do it slowly enough that people can actually understand like reproduce it with their mouths, but what I could do is make like a little wrist mounted wearable device with a screen where he could say something back to me. And I could like tell what it was from. Like, my wrist or whatever that'd be really cool. So if someone wanted to how advanced would someone have to be to go on hamster look at your tutorial making Archimedes and make him. So I really they would not have to be that advanced they'd have to know how to use three printer or be able to go to three D hubs three hubs is a website that basically connects you with local people who own three d printers, and they do it professionally so that you can get something really fast and local and fairly cheap as opposed to shape ways, which is like a more professional option. So those are the options that you could use to get someone to three d print the stuff for you. And that's probably one of the most challenging things you have one have want to have a little bit of experience with crafting just because the way that the harnesses made is it uses this armature wire stuff that's for that sculptors use often to sort of create the base, and then also to create this harness. So there's another loop armature wire that goes around my arm here, and then a bit more that goes around this harness because if you try and just mount something on your shoulder, it's gonna fall over pretty easily. So you need more of this sort of broad based. Support. And is that that could be a little bit challenging, but I'm trying to make that easier for people. There's really in depth version that I sort of prettied up for make magazine in the last issue. So if you want you can check that out, and it has more sort of her friendly version, and I'm going to be it or updating the online tutorial to kind of reflect that so you also mentioned that you were gonna make more kid version. What would you change what to make it more easier for kids because my I my experiences that kids are much more willing to like jump into this kind of stuff? Like, you know, they're not like me where I just like scared. What would you change yet? So there's a couple of pro of interfaces that are pretty easy or microcontrollers that are easy for kids to use. For example, the microbe it or the circuit playground express from ADA fruit and both of those. I think would be a good. They can boast drive Servoz server Motors like this. And I think it would have a smaller set of Motors to like little micro servers that are plastic and they're much lighter and also cheaper. So those would both make it sort of easier for kids to build with both the circuit playground express. And the micro bids have this way of programming that you can do that basically allows you to drag and drop things instead of writing out code, although you can also write code for both of them, you have this dragon dropped programming interface available that basically enables you to to do things visually instead of textually, which could be a much easier way for people to get started with that. Toes about the TV begun TV back on TV begun gun. Yeah. So well, yeah. That one so Mitch Altman is one of the founders of noise bridge and also all around cool guy visited and Arbor's hacker space when I was just getting started out there and so huge inspiration from me. He's created. He makes his living selling kit since speaking at places, and he also volunteer voluntarily runs learned to solder workshops all over the place. All over the world, literally super cool. It created this kit called the TV begun, which basically stems from his annoyance at being in public and being assaulted by TV's everywhere. So it's a universal off button remote for TV's. And I got my hands on one of these. And I was like what can we do to make this like kind of cooler, maybe? And so I had this old Nintendo zapper controller from back in the day and people have gone mad at me for hacking, these, but you can get them for ten bucks on EBay. So how rare can they be? Anyway. So I decided to MAV the TV be gone into this form factor of the Nintendo zapper. So, you know, replace the button with the trigger a kinda show, you how to do that like modify the trigger in there in one of the videos, I show how to take the whole gun apart. Like, what kind of stuff does that's inside? It's really fascinating how that thing worked originally. And then also had to replace the existing circuitry with the LED's that go down the barrel. The LED's that are transmitting infrared signals to the TV, for example, because that's how votes work you you fired infrared LED at the TV that just happens to be in a gun now, and it only turns things off. So you kind of so the TV's be gone was designed to be really unobtrusive and kind of surreptitious. So that you don't get caught doing it. There's one that looks like a cell phone as well. But so this is kind of the opposite of that. Obviously. Extremely obvious. What you're doing? But maybe you get to feel like kind of a bad has and is a better use for gun, then lots of other things true. Very true. So what they're there's so many amazing projects. Like, I said like I scroll through them. What's a good place to start? If someone's just listening to this. And they think okay, I'm going to go to Hexter Alec how where where would they start after making an account? Sure. So obviously depends on their level of experience. If you're just getting started out, you would want to go to the hardware one one channel, which is a bunch of tutorials that threw together at that. Have I tried to make a short as possible and also sort of really basic. So if you're watching the videos that I do and you're like, I have no idea. What this is the nuts. Totally cool because it means that you're exploring, but also if you want to know what I'm talking about. If you go through the whole hardware, we're on a one series, which is like, what's an LED? How do you use it? You know, what are the different basic microcontrollers wasn't hard? We know versus the raspberry pi things like. That. Where you might have heard these words before and you kind of what they do. But you're not totally sure that's a great way to sort of get the basics down. And then you'll be able to have a sort of starting point for the rest of the tutorials on then you would probably go into something like looking at what your interests are scrolling through the featured projects, for example for some inspiration. So tell us about your other projects that you've I have a list of all of them. But I'm the brave will not all of them. But I have a list of the ones that caught my eye the debris brainwave wings or the three D how to three D print LEGO toast, talk just talk about some of your other favorite projects. Sure. Yeah. So the brainwave wings were one of my favorites. Beckoned twenty thirteen I was invited to participate in hot couture, which is this h OT couture, which is an event that the local venue, the crucible puts on they do a bunch of cool classes, like glassblowing and whatever. And so I was like oh wanna make some EEG controlled wearables for this fashion show. So I made a pair of horns and also these wings, and they're based on the neuro sky brainwave reader, EEG device and more. Specifically, there's this product called the Nicholl Mimi, and that's Japanese for cat. Eight years, basically. And that's exactly what it is. It's brainwave controlled cat years. Sounds like okay. I could do a physical mud on this. I don't know how I didn't at that point know how to modify them electrically. So I just got the ears and took apart the headband to remove the Motors that controlled the cat ears and sort of extended those wires down my bag exactly using this sort of cable rapping technique that comes from friendship bracelets, actually. So I love I love all that stuff Flynn's together. But yeah. So now the the Motors want on my back. I made this harness to sort of hold these wings that I made out of aluminum tape and others strips. Definitely not the best construction in the world. But I thought they looked really cool one of the weirdest things about that. Was it the wings were stuck in calibration mode? Almost the entire time that I was building this. So there you see some different rations of the hardware of the harness. So they were doing is really like. You know, sort of photogenic sort of little flapping, and then a little twitching animation. And then of course on the night of this show. They started a working. Like one of the wings, just like full opt over the other side and zurve stayed there which I'm assuming was because he was like really focused on doing the walk and stuff. They had me do a test walk for one of the run throughs and they were like strike oppose. And I was like. Pose these people were totally professionals, and I could tell it they were like focused, and so when she did that it just like like that. And it was not very not the best looking affect. But it was still fun. So. On the other one worked great because that was just a couple of sort of ram style. Horns that were made a wire with like do cool rotating things. Well, the model who is like really good with a whip was like cracking these whips and stuff. It was really cool. Other than one that you probably haven't heard of maybe maybe I don't know as the globe. Oord? This is actually I did not make the global word. I was just sort of. Press ganged into being on it. So this is actually got me and Archimedes on the back. And obviously since it's called the global. I feel like it needs to have some Elliot's home working on augmenting was LED strips and got into a conversation with Twitter Twitter with people about this recently, but on their BBC micro bit, which can control Neo pixels. Which is what these are there fruit, Neo pixels. They run on five volts that can be programmed to do different animations and stuff, then I'm trying to do something kind of artful with this the way this wire goes up here, but we'll stay. I think I definitely need to make sure that this is very solidly connected and not let anyone like grind on any rails. While the writing it because that would just instantly decimate, the hardware that pretty bad. But yeah, still working on this one. But it'll be out sometime soon. The battery mounting is going to be the biggest challenge, I think partly just because I don't want to obscure the design. So a lot of your projects do involve EEG's like like the wings what what's your fascination with us with e? Jeez. Oh. Man. So electrons flow grams. Jeez, i'm. I just think it's magic in. I really into sort of what I love about wearables tech. Is that it lets you sense? Like augment your senses and control the world around you both of those things like you can give yourself senses that you never had and you can learn how to con like interface with the world in new ways. An also building stuff with brainwave technology allows you to have insight into how your own mind is working. And as with anything else the first step to modifying the world is measuring. Right. As being able to see what it's doing now. And then you can sort of work on that. So we made this thinker blinker as well, my friend, MO Hubin. I because we were just where's the we are. It runs on a particle photon right now. So it's like you can control stuff over wifi. I have basically I have the amused headset, which is a more commercial EEG device, and I've slipped the signal out of that using my computer and use that to send Java script or in a Java script script to send messages to this particle foot on which like turns on the light if I'm really focusing or whatever. And I think it has the ability to be the basis for some really magical and beautiful effect. So my next iteration of that I want to be one of those little magnetically levitating planters with a little plant in it. And it kinda like slowly rotates. And if you could control that with your mind, I think it would be a really nice sort of biofeedback system for learning how to meditate better, whatever. 'cause I kind of have to bribe myself to meditate with gudgeon, it's I don't know about you. But like, that's basically how I motivate myself to do stuff if I have awesome lights on my bike that I'm gonna like bike around a lot more just because it feels so awesome. And I think that's part of what we're will tech does for me. It makes me feel magical. I agree. I yeah. I have got. I'm only wearing two sensors right now. So the apple watch sensor, and then I have a commercial sensor called spire. Have you heard of that? Yeah. So you can push them. You can put them in the wash and stuff they attached to your undergarments. And they just on you what I have a misfit shine with. With what I wear it in this little pouch like sort of fanny pack, but stylish thing because like otherwise they like to fly away, you know, in the middle of doing something active. So what about you in your projects? You know, a lot of this stuff is connected to the internet. Like, how do you? How do you? How do you deal with that? Like someone, you know, getting your all your information. Like whenever I talk about how I love to track myself on various things someone inevitably says like, well, you know, that information could get out there. Yes. So being mindful about it in the first place, obviously. So in this case, our communities does not connect to the internet, and that's very intentional. So I mean for one thing people get hacking, but also because it's made by Google don't want people to think that I'm like you grabbing their faces in shooting it up to Google servers somewhere. So when I went to Defcon put an eye patch on him just to make that really obvious. But then it turned out the people didn't really care because he's cute. So they were like, yeah. Let me see if you thinks I'm happy. Or whatever. Whatever. To get people's faces. If you need it if you became, you know, some sort of government operative. That's how you could scam. So yeah, that's part of the reason why I created him was to create this conversation around and kinda use him as a jumping off point to talk about graceful technology in China, and sort of mindfully developing this tack like if you're if you're building stuff that does track people or whatever you need to be really mindful of technol- of security, and I think the I o t is finally like waking up to this like for one thing. Like smart cars, people will finally like there were a few really bad security incidents with that that sort of woke people up to the fact that I T security is needed. Plus, let me ride bought net incident with like all the, you know, internet, connected, whatever's sort of being used to to hack other people or provide or to do run Dido's attacks on websites because anything that's connected to the internet can be used to to maliciously access something else. Regarding personal security for one. I try to limit how much I have extraneous things connected to the internet. But also there's other. So, you know. Social engineering is the most powerful form of hacking. It's like, basically the only form of hacking that is one hundred percent effective overtime. And so my personal biggest threat model, I probably shouldn't say this online. But like the fact that I put my face and voice on the internet. Basically every day means that it would be trivial easy to construct a deep fakes version like a neural net version of me and have it do whatever freaky stuff. Someone wanted it to do in order to like tarnish my name or get me arrested or something like that would be. That's honestly, the one thing that I think is really my biggest vulnerability. And so it doesn't really have to do with things being interconnect connected as much as just the fact of living in the world and trying to be a person who talks about stuff and shares information and things like that very act is one that sort of compromises me. And it's like, it's a trade off that I. I make every day. Well, yeah, I'm glad that you do because you could blame this stuff. So well, and that is a hard thing in this world. I mean, I just feel like being in this world. It's it's often there. There's a lot of people like, well, you know, you can't do that. Or you know, it's on this way or that way. And so your the way you explain stuff. I've watched a ton of your videos. It's amazing. It is. I know it's a trade off. I respect that you make that trade off. Because it's I think it's worth it to spreading this, especially to young women. And I just I'm glad you're doing it. Alex glow. Thank you. Much much more your things. Thanks. Alex glow is the lead hardware nerd, Hexter dot IO watcher video. She does you. I'm so impressed that you do a lot of live Facebook stuff. She is a great interviewer and look at all checkout hall her projects, there's so much stuff that I haven't mentioned your girl scout you have a girl scout cable management video that I watched. Great and you can follow Alex on Twitter. It's ask glow. Ascii ASC. I I thank you so much for joining us. Thank you so much so much fun. Thanks you too. And thank you for joining us. 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675: How Levy and E15 Leverage Technology to Enhance Guest Experiences
Welcome to the tank bloke writer podcast, your guy to future Tech Trends and innovation in a language you understand now over to your host, Neal, Hughes, welcome back to the tech log, ride a podcast at a big Hello. To me, our wolf. Whoever me I will is. Because they've left fantastic review on tunes about these podcast where they said, engaging dialogue, Exxon in content of most. Listen, Naylor survey. Well known tech podcast here in the US he's content is engaging questions in pointing and you can count on into twos, unique entrepreneurs to interview. I love his conversation approach to each recording and commitment to really understanding guess perspective on it's up five stars behind a wolf is not very often. I get to say a word like that, and thank someone with like that. I don't know who you are. What you'll real name is all where you listen to these podcasts other than it somewhere in the US, but a big. Thank you for your incredibly coin words. I really appreciate it because these reviews really do help us with the infamous apple algorithm which seems to feed off if you get a few good reviews. Apple push you up rankings a little bit, and we're just hitting ninety one review. So we're approaching one hundred in the US arch in store. That is. So if y'all. Thing in the US one helped me get two hundred. So if you wanna make an old man, happy grab every I phone. You see, log around Lee equate right ago review, but always today show. And today's guest is Jamie Fulton, and she's the CEO of the fifteen group. Essentially, Jamie heads a team of data scientists analysts software developers and engineers saying a new standard for using actionable intelligence to improve every facet of their partners opperations and believe me. They've got some pretty big ones and one that she didn't mention in today's episode what we talked about affairs. So I feel I could mention it without giving you too many spoilers with Tottenham Hotspur or my hardcore Reverend Jimmy Jackson and Sam Latin at size. The go down the seven sisters, the Spurs. But I digress. Like I said, a few months ago, they are setting a new standard using actually intelligence to improve every facet apart operations from optimal distribution of hot dogs in their arenas and stadiums to predicting. Daily attendance. Now, as you all know, I love exploring areas that you don't necessarily associate with technology and see how they're being transformed by invisible tech. So I invite you to grab virtual hotdog as I beam your heirs all the way to Chicago, so we can speak with Jamie Faulkner and learn more about the fifteen group. Massive. Well, welcome to the show. Can you tell the listeners a little about who you are and what you do and Jamie Hoffner? I am these CEO of the of teen grew. I'm sure gonna ask me down the road what fifteen means in how we got our name because that's a standard question we get from every four team for with. So I can answer that question little bit later. So the fifteen group is in advanced in strategic in emerging tat group that spent a lot of it's time helping our clients in the sports and entertainment industry, as well as our parent company leader restaurants drive every decision analytics in then bring the best at digital technology to play for fans. So teen is a next generation analytics on emerging technology company that actually brings on much industry intelligence and in an negative. Or to your partners for anyone listening to this hearing about you guys for the very first time. Can you tell me a little bit about you guys and also how you got that name that want to be predictable, but I've got to go heaven. I now baseball. The lesson we learned is never let the data nerds name the company that should always up to create us. You know, we for years in prior to coming to run fifteen. I was a career console Montek KPMG in spent most of my career there talking to clients as sort of the big data phase became real in other industries. You know, why should care about data. And I used to tell them all the time that data now is the fuel for your business. It's not the exhausted, the byproduct of your business. It's been created, Bali systems are starting to put into place in. So we talk about that a lot within as we were developing the fifteen group in when we were talking to our sports teams in partners. Ultimately, the challenge that these organizations have is they've got a lot of data, but how do they. Unlock the value of the data in. So as we were starting to name ourselves because I talk about it being the fuel all the time, it is the fuel for your business, the fifteen element or is on the periodic table it. So it has its fifteen is assemble in phosphorus is what is required besides oxygen to create fire. So for us, we like to say where the spark that ignites the fire or ignite the Dow you out of the data. Incredibly cool lows. And when it takes more than three or four sentences to describe how you got your name, you shouldn't have what the data folks. So we have talked about the poet ship, so as well. I mean, can you tell the listeners about sometimes big, big partners that you've got now you're helping them to solve real problems? Yeah, we're seven credibly lucky. We get to work with some of the best sports franchises in the industry partners in some of the work that we've done. It's been very innovative. We've been really lucky to get to partner with Mercedes Benz stadium and the Atlanta Falcons. You know, one of the one of the challenges that we hear from every fan is around pricing, the food and beverage, and when the falcons were designing their stadium in really creating incredible fan experience, they challenged us Levy as the food and beverage partner to really look at what we could do on the pricing side and they really wanted to to put into place what we call street pricing. And so our pricing team which sits into our article intelligence team in e fifteen were to very collaboratively with softens leadership to. Determine what does that even mean? What products should we street price? What those prices be to do that we need to be able to predict before building even opens, okay, if that hot dog that used to cost you six dollars now cost you three dollars. What's the demand for that going to be? So how do I design a stadium that can accommodate the amount of inventory we're gonna have in stands to meet the demand, and then how do we get speed of service through to handle the increase throughput? So into end, we worked with them on better pricing, which then led into better planning for the fans in street pricing. Now put Cobb is something that everybody's talking about industry. We executed it very successfully with Mercedes fans. Now, several other sporting franchises in venues are starting to look and say, hey, is this something that should work Herod's? I don't wanna bring it to our fans so that that's one example we're working very closely with the dodgers a great. Organization, they're extremely innovative from a technology standpoint. In a data standpoint, they are one of our personal intelligence lapse. So some of the projects we have going on, there are robotics. We came up with a crazy idea of, okay, if we know that labor is a challenge for everybody in the hospitality industry, and we have a machine learning algorithm that will tell us what world telling a chef in a stand, what to cook in win, could wait till the robot to do that. And we decided, hey, let's try it in the dodgers, raised their hand and said, we wanna partner with you on this. And so we partnered with a tech startup started building a robots that can cohabitate and think on their own in our stands in. So we've got a to pilot location there. We've got a stand that makes all chicken nuggets and from from scratch. So freshly made chicken tenders nuggets than in French fries. Tater tots for the dodgers fans. And we have a robot in the back of house. It has all the cooking and interacts with all the other in place there, and it's been a great experience been able to take them -ployees to the front of the house, no more engaging roles with the fans, its increased or three put its increased our food quality. It's increased. The experience for team members net stand working in an ultimately has created a better experience for fans, but who would ever think that robots the first frying robot in the world would be a Dodger Stadium. So just another great example going coast to coast of some of the great partners in different things that we're working on incredibly levels of flooding myself a little bit hungry after all that talk about food. Those with the fifteen group Asia's soup situa- of the Levy group. As you mentioned a few moments ago and you support a wide range of clients across bowls, entertainment, hospitality, and Reto. But for international listeners, Levi's also family of restaurant tours, delivering daunting to best restaurants, arenas stadiums, treks. Convention centers and events and so much more but couldn't use yet the back story of both Levy and the fifteen group and how you got where you are today? Yeah, so media super interesting because they, they used to be a delicatessen and in Chicago had ran a couple of restaurants in Chicago, and the White Sox came to Levy and said, hey, you know, we've got our concessionaire doing our hot dogs, but we're trying to create a more reading experience for fans. Would you have any interest coming in and helping deliver that premium service for our premium guests and I leave their leave. You originally said no. And then was quickly convinced by the White Sox to come and try it in so Levy got into the sports entertainment industry by providing premium services to the White Sox. And then then that quickly spread in inserted doing that service for other teams in took on the concessions piece. And then since then they've just were so successful starting to take on more hospitality. Clients in entertainment venues throughout that process, Levi's culture is extremely entrepreneurial, innovative. They tend to be the hostelry provider that is always thinking about how to do things better. How do we provide better experience for team members coddling provide better culinary experience? What's coming next, bringing those ideas to the clients in. So on the sports side and how fifteen got golf while needy was innovating from food perspective. Obviously, our sports teams of through money ball in some other great leaders on the players side started evolving business decisions in player decisions using data in their in their front offices in. So those partners very quickly that started to expect all of their partners, including our hospitality partners to be very data driven in so analytics in technology that started off on the players side quickly moved over to the business side in. So as Levy. Began to think about, well, we don't know anything about data analytics. Nobody does. It's very new in the in this space. How do we begin to tackle that in? So they started thinking about that very quickly realized through some work that this is what they needed. This would provide great benefits or partners ultimately would make the fan experience. They deliver a lot better in. So they hired me to come in and building fifteen, and we continue to innovate Levy, still continuing to innovate on the culinary side. In the experience side we are now, you know, a great third, third, third stole for them her third leg to the stool in making sure that all of those those innovations are driven through research data from which door really is especially with technology being wrought at the whole. Shook, you took a little bit more about how you'll advance technology am knows analytical techniques and how they actually enable you to offer insight driven decisions to improve your client operations. But both on the field of play and off to it's really interesting is one of the biggest mysteries that allotted teams have or at clubs is trying to understand their fan right goes today just because of how it works. You use a ticket to get, and we don't necessarily know who you are yet. Although mobile ticketing, it's helping us sulfur that in. So similar to how teams are trying to figure out what type of ticketing products to offer, which launcher chips they should go after and we're trying to figure out what's the right. What are the right feed programs? We should be offering the right products at the right price you in order to to that need to understand your fan as in. So one of the one of the fastest growing teams that we have money fifteen is our consumer insights team. They, they have the us, the ability to. To create a research protocols in an analysis by bringing together a lot of data that we buy marketplace combined with all of the data. We have internally about how people eat drink to really begin to profile who are fans are because ultimately we want on a know how they spend their time in money when they're actually not in the venue because understanding what somebody's doing the video, it's become relatively easy, but it's really difficult to know what what they were doing before they came to your game in what they are doing after they lead in the more that we know about the fan, and we can create really great experiences that will see their expectations when they join us. And I think because of our position being owned by Levy restaurants, you know, with all that's owned by compass group, which is the large food largest food service company in the world, we really have probably the largest human lab in terms of how people are eating and drinking behind closed doors. And so our ability to use the. Information of what they're doing when they're with us combined with what they're doing when they're not with us, has a lot of to create incredible programs experiences for our guests. So consumer insights has become one of our most popular services. We do a lot of work with our teams. It helps inform them on with sponsorships at partners. They go after biggest weaken. We can talk within provide information about product vanities for their fans in their guests. Weaken helped them segment their guests. So what are their fans look like in then how do they go after new fans in the marketplace? And then we can hand that information over to leave the, they can create really great programming in the venue and deliver great experiences easing that, so understand your gets super important. The other thing we wanna do is be smart as we can about the operational decisions we make. So once we designed a really great experience at of building, how do we make sure we execute it with excellence and heard of what we brought to the table. Three fifteen is the ability to use artificial intelligence. So taking the best knowledge capital of our very best operators combined with all this incredible data to make decision making a lot more optimal for them. So instead of the operator having to guess how much labor they needed any given night in industry some perspective, you know, some of our stadiums in parks were stepping up to thirteen hundred people in night in that building doing a full ride a different jobs. So how do we use artificial intelligence to help that operator know how much they need? What's the mix of that staff where they should be located in the building in what they should be doing while they're with us in. So we, we've been able to to provide advanced techniques in software in modeling to our operators to make those decisions very easy for that, which which in turn creates a very great experience for for everyone involved. So artificial intelligence has become huge of a robot. IX pilots, it's on our underneath artificial intelligence arm. One example as we want to understand how people are behaving with respect to things that are happening in the event. So for example, the Hager differences, if I look at the Chicago Cubs, a great client of ours as well as the dodgers who had just mentioned, you know, do people behave differently when they are on offense on defense? So do people stay in their seats, win the cubs are pitching or do they stay in their seats when the cups are hitting? Because we know in baseball people at the slower game, they had many decision points that they can go to food and not feel like they're gonna miss. The one thing that determines the outcome of the game. And so we try to understand their behavior and we understand that again, it helps us understand to man, but they markets behaviorally differently. I'll tell you that dodgers fans eat, drink the time in which they can seem food is very different depending on the starting pitcher res-. At Chicago, they will tend to sit in their seats when the cubs are at that in when the cubs are pitching, they use that opportunity to go grab their food in. So we really dive in start to understand at a very micro level once the venue is operating what the fans are doing and then try to optimize decisions around that specializing the guesting the tour to he's just fantastic. It really is. But I also love how a fifteen is also bringing together experts across a number of fields from economics to statistics, like color g. behavioral science and even computer science as well as working with potent as technology and unelected teams to help enhance every facet of their operation. But can you walk me through a few use cases just to helplessness, visualize how you've made too big, big difference with some of the pointless that we've mentioned? Well, I talked a little bit about what we did for the foul pins. They were in a position where they were building a new stadium were a little bit already about. What we will we've done with the dodgers. One area that bring the Cavs back. The cubs made a significant investment in capital improvements in one of the oldest ballparks in the country, and a lot of that was around food and beverage, and so we use a combination of experts to help inform what did that plan me to look like inside the building because they couldn't make Wrigley field bigger, right? But they could make the amenities within the building bigger in. So when you do that when you're socks, still what they narrow concourse, and you're going to up the game, so to speak on the food offerings, how do you do that in such a way that people are still moving through the line very quickly? How do you bring the white local brands into the building that that people want, and how do we make those spaces, Eric flexible so that if in three years we need to flip it out on a new concept in our local partner, we can do that without heavy capital investment. Again. And so in. So we bring together consumer insights team that understands the market. Like I talked about the floor, we bring in our AI team in our logistics team to help look at the physical footprint in understand the impact of some of those decisions that we make on food programming, and then they help drive all of the modeling that we do there to make sure that we can. We can deliver on that in one of the things that's that's interesting about relief field given them, they put all this massive capital and in the places just amazing. So have you ever been to Wrigley field moa of ability to young ki- stadium. That's the only one I've had jumps to get. Well, if you're around, give me a call. I will personally Tori through Wrigley field. It's one of the best ballparks. They think it's super special in the country, but one of the things you would save you went to relief. He'll is that sitting in the middle of the neighborhood, the streets that run on most of the sides of Wrigley field or not closed during a game. So you've done a lot traffic there and stands a really small conc. Sources are narrow. So once we optimized what programming we would have in in the new building, things that we need to do for construction, we needed to figure out how to Lee new inventory through that building because I will tell you, you may know this from when you went to gangqi stadium. But once it game starts, especially at Wrigley field in those concourses are packed, they their forty thousand people at almost every game there. You're not going to be pushing through pallets of water through the concourse to stand in. So we had to soft AC for that. So we went to our intelligence team and we said, hey, guys, can you partner with our supply chain team? We need to come up with a process that involves stadium ops, rob Harkat supply chain in operations to accurately predict how much inventory we're going to need in every stand because once that game starts, it's very difficult to move anything around through that building. And so we created a new inventory management models that we use there that had been so successful that now we're gonna roll them out too many more. Properties, but it's an example of how we didn't intend to do that. When we started to collaborate on business challenges with our partners, we identify opportunities and we can quickly bring the right talents in subject matter expertise to bear to help solve it for that in oftentimes, if you know problems for for one venue, other Vinnie's will have that problem. So anytime we do something we do to mine with, hey, let's build it, but let's fill them. So we could potentially scale it unusual for almost pulled cash, a dude loaf making people think about what goes on behind the scenes of everyday events in Lloyd's of the invisible tech that we don't even realize exist, especially if you go to a bowl game. So it's the CEO of the fifteen group. You've had a team of data scientists analysts software developers and engineers saying, can Lou stunned for using actionable intelligence to improve every facet of poems operations that come before the optimal distribution of hot dogs in arenas to predicting daily attendance. And if somebody great examples too. If we were to take an example of something like a hotdog a bowl game, can you offer insights to the kind of thing that is happening beyond the scene while people in this watching the game that's going on behind the scenes with your technology. Yeah, everybody wants cold beer and a hotdog, the baseball game. And I wonder how often fans thought about why this hotdog, why this beer? Why this location? Why this price in? There's a lot of work that goes into determining those simple questions and you wanna get right because you sell the most of those products. You wanna make sure you're delivering the best hot dog. It's hot, the best fear. It's cold, etc. In. So it almost things I've I've mentioned before. The first thing is, if you wanna make sure that you can deliver that great cold beer to the fan or that incredibly delicious, hot dogs, the fan, you need to know that fans going to be there in. So one of the thing is that we have been partnering with many of our teams with is just predicting attendance. Again, not only are they challenged with knowing who's walking through the door, that understanding is the ticket going to be used, and when is that ticket of us? So when will people. Arrive to the game in. So we partnered with them to start predicting attendance, not only predicting how many tickets will be sold predicting if those tickets will be used, what time they will be used. So are you gonna arrive an hour before the game with your ticket? Or do we think you're gonna arrive thirty minutes before which gate are you gonna enter it those decisions, believe it or not. Then start off betrayal of a lot of other decisions. Right. So how many vise can we get you for if you're coming to our for the game when gates open versus if we think you're gonna cost five minutes before the game before tip off before the puck drops. If we're talking about basketball or hockey and where you're going to buy in all those things drive decisions, like how many people do we need? How many products do we need to have? When do we need to prepare those products with the right mix of labor in? So once we know the mount of people that'll be coming when we think they're going to show up which gate they're going to enter end. We then again, shoe start producing. A lot of models that will predict for us the answer today, this questions, are it well, what will demand be for that hot dog and how many places do we need that hot got to be in how many hotdogs do we need in each of those stands? So which stands to be Oprah close at Selva product. How much product do we need to live in? How much labor do I need? Those are a series of really important decisions if we get those wrong at any point in the process, then you put at risk that fantastic, a great cold beer or a great delicious high God in. So we're trying to, we're trying to partner with all the different stakeholders. They're making those decisions by the scenes to use modeling to do that. We're now starting to figure out where we can insert robotics to help us out with that. We also spent a lot of time finding the right technology that helps us answer some of this questions. So whether it's the right camera technology that we might embed into senior cameras just so that we can understand. Wine wings and our people intermit- gate making a write in making their their first purchase, right at the first stand that they see or do they typically walk down to where their seats are in purchase closer closer to that. So we're also using technology to help generate new data for us. So we can really understand Fiene behavior once they were inside. So there's a lot of logistics. I will say. I like to tell clients all the time, like it's just simple math problem. It's all math, the foot, it's far more complicated than that. But you know, it extends to beer to rate like there is a science behind what beers we offer, where we offer them. So where we actually offered craft beers versus domestic, why we offer them in a container versus maybe on draft widely sites them the way that we do. So there is a lot of science actually behind how we make some of the some of the things. Some of the some of the would receive receives may be the more simplistic decisions of, but again. There's a lot that goes into it up into the day. We wanna make sure that if you're if you're at a baseball game where you're at, you're, you're at an NHL game in any one of our venues. You're getting, you know, a high hamburger or hotdog, and super cold beer, and you're getting one that you wanted. The looks of usually credibly complicated and the so much goes into the people don't know about go to ask assuming that's worked with the global development and deployment of data on Olympics technology instrument. The biggest venues in the US the biggest challenges that you've encountered along the way. I think some of the biggest challenges lead counterparts is actually access to data and then access to quality data. Again, there's just so much unknown about how many people are going to be in the building and who they are. And I think we've just done an incredible job partnering with our our teams who, by the way are all these great clubs that we work with are are coming. You're immature of Manella standpoint said they very much partner with us to figure out how delete acquire this data rate. How do we make sure that when we are acquiring data. It's usable for us in. So that's something we've spent a lot of time with, but I think we've been very successful in what ends up happening is, you know, they're typically aren't one or q data sources that can be the answer. There's multiple data sources at we have to get stitched together data sources that might come from the league's data sources that come from our teens in our partners and data sources that we are generating internally as the operator of this buildings. We stitch them together. We share them back with those respective partners because they, they need the same data. They might be making a different decision off of it or throwing a different lens on it. So I think I think it's been one of our biggest challenges, but as we partnered with everybody together because they share the same challenge with come up with some really great solutions in creative, some new data that's quite frankly didn't exist probably even five years ago industry ODA opportunity something you cheap show Butch, but the still so many enterprises not making the most of the petunias outlives there are. I think you know, we really started. From Levy perspective, we started with the major leagues ad. They certainly aren't many lines of business from hospitality entertainment standpoint, and we're beginning to roll analytics out into other areas of the business, not only in food and beverage, but also retail, retail science in and of itself still some of the same principles, right? We wanna be data driven. We wanna be very predictive. You still need to know your customer are your customer as the very different data sets. Very different methodologies. Very different machine learning models will were building there to drive decisions at. So for us, we're starting to to build teams in expertise around retail in the sports space were looking at and we'll be spending a lot of time with robotics in the future and seeing how we can continue to test and develop robots that can help augment one of the biggest challenges that everybody has the hospitality industry, which is finding labor and also making jobs that that aren't as. Fireable like Frank food for four hours, five hours better so that we can use this great talent that we'd access to you in a much better way or put them in a role where they're directly interfacing with our fans in for better experiences. So tackling labor with robotics is one of our one of our goals and something will be working on. And then just continuing to push the digital, the digital agenda with our partners movie fans to mobile, trying to get their full experience on the phone that that we have to collaborate with. We don't necessarily lead that because digital ticketing needs to be the lead on that, but we collaborate with them on as if they're making decisions building strategies, how we build in a retail food beverage into that. So we certainly have a lot going on. There's no shortage of work here at Ethan teen. That's for sure to spooked will a huge key for spending till I will make today in showing the story. But before I let you go because it was such that you've been on missions of weather, could. Find out more information fund you guys and maybe even contact them if you'll team, if they just if conversations to spot to feel ideas and the well, I will tell you the are constantly hiring for civil sit. There's any great data scientists, great minds out there. We bugged to get to know you. You can find us on the great worldwide wed at Ethan teen group dot com. On our website. We have a lot of information about our services. Our leadership team is on there are job postings ways to contact us a list of all partners, types of things that were doing partners or there were also on Instagram. So we're very lucky that we get to attend in participate in some of the best events in the world from the Kentucky Derby to the Grammys to the US open to right now, the World Series games with our phenomenal dodgers partner. So we love to post photos of of us in the field working. Sometimes we'll in a concession stand sometimes. Sometimes those photos are seats that that gives you a little bit of an idea of culture of the fifteen groups. So a lot of ways to find us into would love for anybody to reach out his Susan interested though in the show I really to live on this podcast, big able to make people think a be an areas that you wouldn't necessarily associate with technology actually being dominated boy and Trump. Full Ming industries and the invisible tech that we don't even realize exist when we do simple things in life flight by hotdog a ballgame, so insightful and so valuable. Our big thank you for coming on today. Jamie happy to you. Thank you so much for having me a live. How e fifteen is helping clients test and implement the best new technology to create a more seamless guest experience from food and beverage service to merchandise to ticketing and beyond. These are all areas that you don't associate with technology, and that's what I love about doing this show. What are you going to a concert? A conference at NHL game, a soccer game, a basketball game or a baseball game. You don't think about all this technology that's going on male on the same. It's also a portrait member. The fifteen, of course, brings together experts across a number of fields from economics, statistics, psychology, behavioral science, computer science, all working with their partners, existing technology, and let's Ecksteen to enhance every facet of their operate. But I'd love to hear more about what your taking away from today's episode. So please Email me tech blog writer at outlook, dot com. Tweet me at Neo, see Hughes or Papa. My website tech blogger, dot co, dot UK slash podcast, and leave me a virtual voicemail. The all this talk of hot dogs and food is my little bit hungry. So it's time for me to grab a bite to eat. I'll return tomorrow until next dumpy a strange. Thanks for listening to the tag, rice uphold cost until next time. Remember technology is best when it brings people together.
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