20 Burst results for "Adrian Beltre"
"adrian beltre" Discussed on Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"He did it within a ten year eligibility window. He needed 7 years in part because he had publicly admitted to using androstenedione the steroid precursor back before it was banned. There were voters who creatively tried to save. There are rumors about him when the answer was hiding in plain sight, same with the Piazza and guys kind of embarrassed kind of embarrassed themselves by not doing their homework. But, you know, that was a controversy that was surmountable. And I do think that the science dealing controversy is probably surmountable as well. There are reasons to be upset that he was the only player identified, for example, and that while the two guys who the two managers were actually suspended got jobs within a year immediately after being reinstated, Beltran has not. He's already paid his paid his Jews, done his time. When I game this out, I think year 6 or year 7 is the most likely point for him because there are some crowded ballots coming up here. It will take a little while to untangle this jam that we've got here. You know, I don't necessarily see as much as Joe mauer to me strikes me as a guy who should go in on the first ballot. If you've got Todd helton and Adrian Beltre going in, there's not always room at the top for a third guy, especially if there's other guys pulling in that direction and really Wagner, Sheffield, including Jones. So I think Beltran is going to have to wait for the traffic to clear. And last year, when I did my 5 year outlook, I had Beltran going in his 6th year, but that was based on him getting my guess was 57% in his first year, and he undershot that by about ten points. So it's going to take a little bit longer. Yeah, although I think we can infer something from him getting 46.5% support in his first year. I mean, that's already higher than the likes of a rod and many Ramirez. And those guys are not gaining at all. They're just basically frozen in the mid 30s. So that seems to send a signal that voters are distinguishing between types of cheating and that it's a harder hit against your legacy apparently if you are a steroid guy if you got suspended, especially for taking PDs, then if you were a science dealer, even reported architect of the sign stealing scheme, it seems like I don't know whether this will be a one year kind of like let's punish him and then we'll give him next time we'll give him a vote or whether this will link her, but either way it seems like people are drawing a distinction between types of cheating here, which is interesting. Yeah, and I think that's good. I mean, I've said this throughout my time doing the virtual and actual ballots is even when you're just looking at the PED guys, there are nuances there that deserve to be explored. You know, some guys tested positive and were suspended. Others had infractions that dated to the wild west era before testing in penalties were in place, and you've got, say, a Jeff badwell using something that was actually legal at the time or Andy Pettitte using HGH, which has obvious medical uses. It's not often you get two guys whose PED related cases are exactly alike. And so it shouldn't be surprising that when we get other infractions and violations that we have to weigh them against each other compare them and try to figure out how the right hand way to handle it is. One thing I thought about when I was going into this both with regards to the general electorates strategy and to my own was the example of Roberto Alomar, leaving aside all the stuff we've learned about Roberto Alomar in the last few years that has resulted in him basically being declared persona non grata within the game Alomar had the highest second year percentage of any of any candidate to come along until Vlad Guerrero and that was because voters, a lot of voters penalized him in his first year of eligibility for the incident where he spat on umpire John hirschbeck, but that was a one year penalty that they deprived him of first doubt entry in case that meant something extra to him. But his plaque is on the wall there. I suspect that some number of voters viewed what Beltran did in a similar light. I know I thought of going that route. But I'm somebody who's never really always thought that the first ballot distinction is kind of a red herring and you don't get a gold star in your plaque for first ballot entry. You're still a Hall of Famer, whether it's year one or year ten, I felt like doing that withholding that first year vote was a bit performative for my tastes. And so I opted to include him even though what he did doesn't entirely sit well with me either. Among the guys who went one and done on this ballot, I know that you included some, but were there any who you were particularly disappointed to see fade after just one year? Not really. I mean, look, I have the runway to do these expanded profiles at fan grabs now. I mean, I used to lump three or four of these guys together at SI at my first few years at fan graphs and now I'm going 2003 thousand words on. Guys who have literally no chance of even getting a vote of developing great affection for the careers of Bronson Arroyo Matt Kane are a Dickey over the in this process. I would love to talk about Matt Cain and RA Dickey for another year, just a site site two
"adrian beltre" Discussed on Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"I know that you were so sad to not have to write a BBW a profile of Barry Bonds. Roger clones, although the committees didn't let you get away from an entirely. But I found it interesting that, you know, with this new room to be had, we still saw the average number of votes on ballots contract still a bit. What do you make of this sort of state of the electorate right now? It's a shrinking electorate. There's no doubt about that. The long-term effects of the contraction in sports media, the so called pivot to video, the decline of several outlets that maybe a few years ago we would have from fan graphs advantage it would have viewed as competitors or our fellow travelers. Those places are drying up. It is not there's not that many places where it's easy to sustain the ten year career necessary to get the ballot. I mean, I joined the BBW a in 2011 and stuck around for ten years. There were people who joined it a year or two after my certainly thought would have the vote by now. And for whatever reasons, there was a lot of attrition within that group and that is surprising. And along with just the ways that media has developed, it's just, it's a smaller electorate, part of it was also the sunsetting of long retired voters, which the hall decided to do in 2015, which locked something like a 120 voters off within two years and has continued to whittle the whittled the electorate. But I think the other side of this is that we did see four candidates post double digit gains led by Todd halton with about 20 points up and the real driver of the small number of names per ballot below 6 was the relatively meek crop of first year candidates, 12 of the 14 did not get the 5% and I believe 7 of them didn't get a single vote and only 5 of them even got token votes single token vote. So they were not serious candidates. And it was a small ballot to begin with. So, you know, in some ways, that's maybe just a bit of a fluke next year we've got three very strong first year candidates coming on, including an obvious first year honoree and Adrian Beltran plus Joe mauer plus Chase Utley. So I think we're going to see a return to what we saw a few years ago in terms of ballot space being at a premium, but it is still going to be in the hands of a smaller electorate. Yeah, so you mentioned the four guys who increased to help Wagner Jones and Sheffield all went up by more than 15 percentage points, which as Jason stark noted in his Colin never in any previous election had more than two players each jump by at least 15 percentage points after entering that election with a floor as high as this group. So that was unprecedented. And you might have thought that Roland would climb even more with the backlog of bonds and Clemens and shilling, et cetera being stripped from the ballot. But he had already kind of maxed out his support. It seems like so he only had so much further to go. There was some analysis and stark's column by Jason, who's one of the best projectors of the election results that showed that basically the people who were voting for those guys who were no longer eligible were already voting for Roland for the most part, whereas these new spots that opened up went to these players who previously had not gotten that support. So now health and Wagner certainly at least are close enough where it would be unprecedented if they didn't get in within the next year or two, right? Although, as you said, there are better candidates coming along next year who could conceivably make things a bit more crowded, Adrian Beltre and Joe mauer and Chase Utley, et cetera yeah, we've got a bit of a log jam on our hands here because we have the time pressure of Wagner who will be going into his 9th year, Sheffield at 55% going into his tenth year. He needs about the equivalent of what Larry walker got in his tenth year, walker was a 54.6%, so there's some urgency there. There's obviously the first year guys coming on. It's going to be a complicated election and it's tough to figure out exactly which way this is going to go. But yes, you'd figure Todd helton is pretty much a give me putt away from election Wagner does have a pretty good shot, but there may be an upper bound to the relievers support that doesn't exist for a more well rounded candidate. You know, one thing about role that strikes me and maybe this was why Jason model, which had been the best for three years running, and may still prove to be the most accurate for this year as well, missed on roll it is because it was such a comparatively simple candidacy. There was no PED smoke. I mean, it was just about baseball. There was no baggage. You know, the worst thing you could say about it is, oh, he got hurt a lot, and finished his career in at age 37 and oh yeah, Philly's fans have the red ass about him because he didn't sign a $110 million extension and Dallas green and Larry bowa both put him on blast, which kind of poisoned the well. The city of brotherly hate. You know, dance of borsky made a funny joke about the possibility that if ruling had a Phillies cap that police fans would be calling the hall to have it evicted. So in my feed, there was at least one Phillies fan who was irate. So, you know, it's just pretty interesting the way the way this all unfolded and I thought there was going to be a shout out though and I was so relieved and elated that Roland got in because he's somebody I've championed and I think I might have killed the houseplant. I yelled so well. I guess we should talk a little bit more about one guy on the ballot who does have some baggage now and wait baggage in his career you know it's hard to tell after just one election cycle what we might expect, but if you were trying to cast about in the tea leaves, what do you think Carlos Beltran's long-term odds are of getting into the hall? That's funny you should mention that. I didn't have my candidate by Canada to break down. And what I came up with here is it is tough to tell because we are in uncharted territory, but two things stand out. One, everybody who's debuted with 41.7% or more in their first year has been elected eventually, and the 41.7% guy is Jeff Bagwell, and
"adrian beltre" Discussed on The Dan Patrick Show
"But there are certain players where you go. They were stars. And maybe we forgot them. Or we shouldn't forget them. Yeah. 11? 11 all star games? That sounds. What's the most all star appearances without making the Hall of Fame? Glad you asked. Now these guys have some different asterisks. Pete Rowe 17, now there's a situation there? Yeah. Barry Bonds, 14 situation, a rod 14 situation. Oh, he's not eligible yet. Mark McGuire is 12. I have to get down to man and Ramirez have been eligible for a few years, right? Yeah. He's got 12 all star appearances is not in the Hall of Fame. Okay. Next up, you gotta go to you got so many clean. Steve Garvey ten. 11 to live. I can find, since 1970, no one has more all star appearances about being in the Hall of Fame than Steve Garvey. The other guys are again like Manny, all with question marks. Yes, John. But to Paul's point, instead of overthinking it, and we've played this game many times and I'd pull questions about it. If you hear a name and you immediately think Hall of Famer like a Steve Garvey, why do we have to break down every little nuance and stat and compare them to other people? He stands by himself. But that's what baseball has invited. It's all about analytics now. It's about war. You know, if you're going by war, then Adrian Beltre is by first ballot Hall of Famer. You know, wins above replacement, but you get caught up in that. And then I think you missed the true star power magnitude of somebody and how they played and where they played. The importance of that person to the game. Yes. A war, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing. Say it again. Play the day is up next. I'll get down off my soapbox here. Nobody covers baseball the way we do.
"adrian beltre" Discussed on Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"In this kind of opens up a different so your question was, should this just overhaul wins above replacement and be the way to think about it? Maybe it could get there. But the thing is, we still have, you know, a pre print we have real referee reports to address with criticisms and how this MLB population has been tabulated. If you change it a little bit, the fact that you just pointed out will change. You know. And so there's a level of, you know, broadly speaking, this is a completely different ranking list. And if these debate these sort of tweaking up this population isn't going to necessarily change really may being above Babe Ruth, for instance, which we have right now. But you could see shifts of the composition of the lower half of that top 25 list changing dramatically. And fan graphs has a list and baseball reference has a list. Usually those lists are pretty close on a lot of the players. I know players like Nolan Ryan have a big difference between the two. Those are now exacerbated by this model. Those big differences as well. And so, you know, I think that it could get there, but there's always going to be this, it depends on the MLB eligible population, and people have different approaches, maybe, potentially, to what that ought to be. And so what this model is and first strengths and some of the things I've talked about now, it allows you to have this methodological framework where there's this central input that can be so readily debated and inputted into the model to yield different results. And so it can give you like an output based on an input to allow you to compare how I think about what the history of the game is. But that would need to be ironed out before this can be a list that overhauls wins above replacement completely. I think it personally, this is a less wrong version. It's probably not, you know, it's one of these things where I don't want to say that this is the truth, but it's, in my view, it's the least wrong approach that exists right now. It's probably a way to say it. As Ben mentioned, we'll link to your site and the leaderboard store our listeners can see themselves, but I'm curious if there were any players who moved really dramatically one way or another who stood out to you as potentially surprising who you didn't imagine would shift quite as much as they did. Yeah, I'll name a few and then I invite the interest in here to what Adrian has to say. You've already mentioned one was Albert Pujols. Ricky Henderson above Ty Cobb right now I thought was very interesting. They're kind of a similar type of archetype and then for me, Christy matthewson moving down pretty far was interesting. Adrian, were there any that jumped out to you? Yes. Adrian Beltran. Not to pick on the same name and initials, but yeah. And again, Adrian Beltre is a player that many of us have thought about like, well, yeah, it was a nice ball player, but his performance is actually pretty interesting to come out so high as he did. So to me, that was kind of profound. I liked him a lot as a player in person. You know, pool halls comes up and I think last year's performance kind of the revival of Albert Pujols in this era. Take you for what you May as a 2022 season in a different world, but still seeing him at number 8 is pretty significant. Ted Williams slides down a bit and really neat thing here. This was not the model's intention, but seeing Roberto clementi at 21 in anything is pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we will link to all this and I think people will bear in mind that there may be tweaks, of course there are often tweaks to the where we know of too that's kind of a feature of war. I guess at the very least, this is another way to appreciate the greatness of Mike Trout, who moves up from, I think, 60th on the all time baseball reference leaderboard to closer to 40th by one of your methods here. Is there anything we haven't covered any wrinkles of your method and model or anything of that specific eras that we should point out or things that you would want people to know or keep in mind as they make these kinds of comparisons across eras? Well, I will add one funny thing. I've shared this website with some of my family members and friends and some of them are some die hard Red Sox fans and we build off of wins above replacement. We see it as a very valuable statistic. And so I have my cousins yelling at me saying, how do you have Edgar Martinez ahead of David Ortiz to say, just like, look man, you have to take that up with war. We're basing this off of wins above replacement. The model doesn't talk about postseason success and stuff like that. So I thought that that was kind of funny. All of those things, you know, John Oliver is good on our model. If you're looking at what an alternative Hall of Fame should be based on the top performers of all time. But again, that's a finding revealed by wins above replacement, which is, you know, cool, I think. I think one of the things that this reminds us is that we have actually witnessed a very high level of performance in baseball during our own lifetimes, even outside of the PED era. You have guys, well, I'm older than probably everybody else here. But you know, going back to the days of Lou Whitaker, and there are ball players that we have witnessed that were like, oh, you know, this should have an impact, I guess, is what I'm ultimately saying on how we think about who's worthy of the Hall of Fame. There's such a high standard to get in and still less than 1% of all the players who get played professional baseball in the major leagues make it to the hall. And yet, you know, we have these big debates and this is one that even Daniel and I have talked about. It's like Mark Burley versus Andy Pettit, as if both shouldn't get better consideration. Johan Santana, like did we miss on his greatness? And this is another tool in that sense of thinking about all time greats, but just kind of performs against their peers in a bigger eligible population and interest level kind of bringing all these factors into play. And yeah, come back to that last point of, we've actually witnessed a lot of high level play and it's not just in that deep pass of Eddie plaques saw Hall of Famer. So he must be better than Justin Verlander. No. Yeah. Yeah, they're also some interesting things you bring up here. In one of your bits about Babe Ruth, you note that part of the fact that he was just head and shoulders above the rest of the league for a while there is that he was just adopting a different style of play prior to everyone else, right? That there hadn't been many players who had swung for the fences before babe Ruth. And so he sort of showed that that was possible, and then the league caught up to an extent during the course of his career to the point where he was not lapping the league. He was not out homering teams left and right the way that he was when he first really started swinging. And maybe that's not talent exactly. You note that maybe it's kind of a superior strategy and he had a competitive advantage and maybe so in a sense that that distorts maybe the difference in talent, although I guess you could also give him credit for recognizing just how optimal that approach was, right? And so if he was quicker to realize that and he set the example that everyone else followed, then maybe that is a type of talent or it's a different type of tout. So it's a complicated question, but it's interesting to mold that over. I guess it's almost how do you define talent, right? Yeah, it is really hard. Yeah, that one is fascinating how that works. I think it's great that he was able to have the time. I mean, he was great. And the competitive advantage. And so that that does, you know, bias up his contributions and more, and then of course, in our adjusted war, where standing above your peers is rewarded so much by this method. But yeah, he's not even with that. He's still, he doesn't linger at one, which I think is fascinating.
"adrian beltre" Discussed on Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"Before. So it's addressing, can that issue issue quote unquote, be fixed or do you need to learn how to manage a sling with that move? The other issue with that shoulder being a little out of whack. Is everyone talks about how Cody like tinkers with his slinging stuff? Well, is he consciously doing that? Or is that just to make it shoulder feel better? So I literally went and found a dug a bat out of my closet and when he was early in his career with his stance, he visualized it. His elbow, his front elbow is basically as high as his front shoulder, right? It's like 90° angle. After 2020, it started kind of his elbows are drifting lower and lower and lower. Which again is just set up doesn't really in a vacuum matter. But that's, I can tell you, that's way easier on your shoulder holding it back like that. So maybe that was a little compensation. He was making that he didn't even know about. I think the big thing with Cody is that he's a guy who's tinkered, I think the first thing it would be just straight up talk with him. Find out because I guarantee you, there's going to be a lot of people who come to him saying, just out of the blue. Hey, do this. I'm guarantee you there is some coaches who are down bad and have tried to slide into his social media DMs. Hey, you need to do X, Y, Z he's going to hear all that stuff. So for me, the important to hear from him, what does he tried? What's worked? What hasn't worked? After you get that, I would then run a highlight tape of Adrian Beltre's time in Boston. Hey, this guy did a one year deal. He did well. And he got paid afterwards. If he can do it, you can do it. Just try to build up his confidence in ways like that. Right. Scott poorest client, I believe. So yeah, and then going into the numbers a little bit, you know, I looked at kind of two basic things. One, what damage did he do on pitches that he was supposed to damage? Like on pitches down the middle. And those numbers, they fell way down 2019. The other thing I looked at was, what did he do beyond hitting pitches down the middle that made him really good? And he used to have the ability to take down the middle breaking balls, but breaking balls that were on the outer third but still strikes. And do damage on those pitches. So you know, picture trying to steal an early strike with a breaking ball, he could hammer it, pull side home run off. And he essentially lost that ability. After 2020. So yeah, he lost the ability to damage what he's supposed to, and then lost the ability to create extra damage outside of that. So it's looking at what can you recapture, what can you build with maybe newer Cody Bellinger model of a sling and going from there? But a lot of it to me is going to be having a conversation with him. And making sure his body can cache the checks that we're trying to write for him. Right. And let me ask you this and anyone can weigh in on this. I've seen sometimes people will say, oh, well, the league just figured them out, you know? They figured out what his vulnerability was, and then they exploited it, and he hasn't been able to make the counter adjustment. It sounds like mostly you're all pinning the blame more on Bellinger being unable to do what he used to be able to do than just, he always had a weakness and the league zeroed in on it and he just hasn't been able to come up with a solution. I guess it could be a combination of both where if he's unable to make some move that he used to make, then pitchers scouts, et cetera, can pick up on that and start to do whatever it is that he is least able to accomplish now, right? And pitch him in whatever spot it is that we stable to reach. So what do you all think? Is this purely just things went wrong with Bellinger? He got hurt, maybe his mechanics changed. He picked up some bad habits, et cetera, or is it the league figuring out some flaw in Bellinger that always existed or some combination of both? I just want to say, even if the league did pick up some flaw in him, I glanced over pitch usage against him very, very briefly. And nothing crazy jumped out, but also he had three years 17, 18, 19. Where he did damage in the league. So hypothetically, even if the league did make some adjustment to him after that, as a coach analyst, whatever, you sell that back to Cody, as hey, when you came in with this, it took the league three years to adjust to you. All right? So if we can, you know, if there isn't a need to be made, we make it, you're going to have three more awesome ears. There's ways to help kind of craft the narrative to Cody that if the league changes, they don't adapt as fast as you had three years of being awesome. All right, we can recapture that. So that would be kind of how I would lead into that with him. Anyone else have thoughts on that. Something Ryan said, stuck out to me that kind of applies here is over the last three years, Bellinger's strikeout percentage swing percentage and others wearing percentage where he's chasing outside of the zone is increased. And I think what might be going on there is not the league adjusting to Cody, but Cody adjusting to his new normal, essentially, because if he can't do damage on pitches on the edge of the zone, like he used to then he kind of has to protect himself a little bit more there and he could be expanding his own zone and kind of getting himself out that way, which would lead to all the increased strikeouts. I'm weaker contact and areas of the plate where the pitcher wants the ball to be. Yeah, and you know, I emailed a fourth member of the intelligentsia here and extended an invitation to DK willardson who maybe some of you know this is at swing graphs on Twitter and swing graphs dot com and the author of the book quantitative hitting, swing graphs being the site that offers a vertical bat angle measurement, which you have used in at least one recent article
"adrian beltre" Discussed on Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"You know? Term that should exist and should be known. It's not the most meaningless thing that I've ever heard discussed or attracted. That's the bar upsetting here. So I think that's fine. So Ryan researched the combined cycle if that's what we're going to call it. Calling it the relay cycle. I just established this. Sorry. So it's actually quite rare. I don't know whether that makes it more interesting or not. Yeah, does that make it cooler? I don't know. It makes sense that it would be rare because sure. Typically, why would you substitute someone who is in the midst of cycling? If they've gotten some components of the cycle, they've gotten hits. Why would you remove them in many cases? So it's only happened 21 times or I guess now perhaps 22 times. So it's quite rare and it has happened a few times with three players involved. The three player relay cycle slash combined cycle. So 21 times, but only a few, I think, only a couple, maybe we're three player ones. Most of them were two. And there's no way to know exactly without going case by case, which you're all welcome to do. I will put the spreadsheet linked to it on the show page, but probably mostly injury replacements as this one was. I would think so. But different types of replacements. So 8 defensive replacements, 5 pinch runners, 9 pinch hitters, and two double switches. And any of those could have been injury related, but they weren't necessarily somewhere also blowouts. So maybe you were just resting someone like most of the players on here, not necessarily name brands, but it looks like maybe the last game of the 2003 season Barry Bonds was replaced. He started the relay cycle and then Pedro feliz came in a double switch and bonds was in left and feliz came in in the double switch and was playing third base in the same lineup spot and he finished off the cycle that bans had started. I assume without looking that that was probably just resting buns on the west day of the season because some of these lopsided scores, et cetera. So all kinds of reasons why the relay cycle could happen, but it hasn't happened all that often. So I think this was I believe this was the first relay cycle since May 17th, 2016, the Tampa Bay raised in it. So Brad Miller started at shortstop and he got the single and the double and the triple, actually. And then Taylor mutter came in as a pinch hitter at the shortstop in the same lamp spot and he hit the Homer to finish it off Taylor modder, his father was a matter of his mother was a modder. That's a Seinfeld joke. Anyway, it hadn't happened since 2016 and now it has happened again. So now we know this is the thing we're making it a thing. The combined slash relay cycle. Even more meaningless than the cycle or the combined no hitter, but we're plumbing new depths of obscure accomplishments. Maybe the way to think about it is that we were able to come up with a name we liked. And so it's cool for that reason. Right. Okay. I mean, I want to be clear. I don't find this to be actually meaningful. I just find it to be kind of a nice thing, you know? Again, it still wouldn't be actually meaningful, but within the range of non meaningful things, I think that if you come in and you contribute a non single to the relay cycle, it is a more meaningful not meaningful thing than if the cherry on top of the relay because that's relays work is a single, because anybody can hit a single, you know, and anybody can hit a double. Aaron judge has been doing that for the last week. He just spent hitting doubles. Like anybody can do that. But no, they can't. That's harder. So hit one of the harder things. And then it's cool. If what you do is you come in and you hit a little single, it's like, well, we're glad you're here, and you did it, but I don't know if that means. Yeah. If this mattered at all, which obviously does not, then yes, you would have to apportion the credit to the cyclers. What if the second leg of the relay cycle is the guy who hits the triple? Because famously, that's the hardest. Exactly. Yeah, so what if the other guy gets three hits, but the one guy gets the one hit that's the hardest to get. It's the hardest to get, right? Then is it meaningful? No. But like it's more meaningful. It's closer to meaningful, I think. Maybe. Okay. All right, couple more, this will be probably a quick one. This is from Mike Patreon supporter who said he saw a tweet and it's a tweet from the account cards magazine, which was sent on September 11th, and it said, before today, there were only 6 states between April 1st and September 30th that Albert Pujols had not homered. One of those was September 11th, now there are only 5. He hit a Homer that day. So Mike our Patreon supporter said, is that a record that Albert Pujols had homered on all but 5 dates between April 1st and September 30th has any player homered on all the dates in that range. And one would imagine there's a short list of suspects and how many days is that? It's a lot of days and not a lot of people have homered more often than Albert Pujols famously. So Ryan reports, Barry Bonds homered on every day of that span, except August 5th and September 30th. So 181 out of 183 and a record, go figure the guy who hit the most homers. Also hit the most. Dates during this band. Yeah. So Pujols is at one 78 over one 83, which is second of all time. Mark McGuire and David Ortiz are at one 77. Ken griffey junior Willie Mays Rafael palmeiro, a rod, Gary Sheffield and Jim tomi or all at one 76 Sammy Sosa is alone at one 75. No one has one 74 Adrian Beltre, Carlos Delgado, many Ramirez and Mike Schmidt are at one 73. Henry Aaron and Miguel Cabrera are at one 72, none of Miguel Cabrera is four homers this year. We're on new dates or four as of a week ago, at least interesting. Jeff Bagwell, Vlad senior and Harmon killebrew are at one 71 and Frank Thomas is at one 70. All those guys hit a lot of homers unsurprisingly. Ryan also says Lou Gehrig homered on June 8th, 18 times. That is a record. Rogers hornsby, June 24th, chuck Klein, may 30th and Babe Ruth twice June 23rd in July 9th are tied for second with 16 that says the most homers on a given date, then it is a three way tie with 15 between Babe Ruth June 12th Babe Ruth, July 2nd and Babe Ruth. August 17th. 14 is a many way tie between 5 Jimmy foxes, a Lou Gehrig three melodies, 5 babe Bruce, and an Al Simmons. Okay, that's kind of a trivia quirky one. Yeah, I like that I keep going, huh, like it means something. It just means they hit a lot of home runs. It mostly means that. Well, yes. The support. I appreciate the yes ending. The emphatic punctuations there. You're helping you're helping me sell it here. It's going over well. All right. And last one, this one comes from Chris and the email subject line is the game just got away from him. So this was sent on Monday, September 19th, Chris writes during yesterday's aster's a's radio broadcast. I noticed a few references to the game getting away from a starting pitcher, Ken Walter chuck.
"adrian beltre" Discussed on Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"With something sticky so that you get a good grip out like really being able to grip it and rip it so that you can get the maximum spin and efficiency and movement. So maybe it's two different ways to achieve two different aims, but I guess the consistent theme is that we'll use whatever we can use and get away with in order to improve our pitching, whether it's the 19th century or the 21st. Yeah. All right. Well, thanks to Richard for the past blast as usual. And we will be back very soon because we've got a late start to this week. We did. It's my fault. That's okay. You took a couple days off, not even to go see your professional basketball team in its championship, but just have a couple days off. That's okay. Because you're a podcaster and a managing editor and we accept that people in such professions might take a little time off as opposed to being a catcher for major league team when it's just off for boat and how dare you. Quitting on your team. Yeah. All right, we'll be back soon. All right, before I leave you, I have a few follow-ups and corrections from last week, the first is that when we did a meter major leaguer segment on Brendan Bernardino, I mentioned that he had played for the 2018 Winnipeg gold eyes, the independent league team in the American association. However, I did not say gold eyes. I said golden eyes clearly had the 25th anniversary this week of GoldenEye 007 on the brain. It is, in fact, gold eyes not golden eyes, a couple of listeners wrote in to point this out, including Al, who said it is the Winnipeg gold eyes not golden eyes, the gold eye is a fish commonly found in Manitoba and the baseball team is one of our only nice things, please at least give us this. Sorry, Al, I'm sure there are other nice things in Manitoba. But yes, it's the gold eyes, and if you want more on the gold eyes, check out episode 1085 when we devoted most of an episode to a strange game played by the Winnipeg gold ice. I did say it correctly back then. Also last time I included a couple broadcaster mix ups of angels outfielder Taylor ward's name. I also messed up myself when recording that outro, which I acknowledged and included my little blooper reel of me messing it up the first time what I did not notice was that during the episode proper, I had called Brandon marsh, Brandon Walsh, so even when I and producer Dylan caught one of my angels or former angels names mistakes, we did not catch one of the others, just hard with all the words and the wades and the marshes and the Welsh's, so it was fitting that I screwed up that name in a way that I did not even notice. And also one of those broadcaster screw ups I played was Dave Sims, I believe, calling Taylor word Turner ward. It had slipped my mind at that moment that Turner ward was himself a Major League Baseball player, although not for some time, but he was an outfielder who played for several teams from 1990 to 2001, so perhaps that's what Sims was thinking of. These days, Turner word is an assistant hitting coach for the Cardinals, so who knows? Maybe he's the one who fixed Albert Pujols. And while we're on the subject of ward mistakes, listener Danny wrote in to say, I would like to bring to your attention that neither Tyler weighed nor Taylor ward needs to be in a game for the names to be mixed up in the top of the third inning of the giant set rockies game on Friday, August 19th, the rockies radio announcer who might believe was Jerry corrigan, was talking about Lamont wade junior and dropped a Lamont ward, but immediately realized his mistake and corrected himself. I'll play that for you here. Two outs nobody on. Lamont Warren wade up should say is the hit or the right Fielder. It's really more of a Lamont worn than wade or ward, kind of got caught in between there, but Danny continues. This makes me think that all announcers know about the rash of wade ward mix ups and are on edge for every instance of any player named either waiter ward. In this case, the pressure got to the announcer and he slipped much to the amusement of this effectively wild listener. And now all effectively wild listeners, thank you, Danny. Also, I did a stop blast last time on players with negative wind probability added totals who had the highest wars ever in a reported that Adrian Beltre in 2010 who was a 6 plus fan crafts war player, he had a very slightly negative WPA and so he held the distinction at least since 1974 of having the highest war of any player with a negative WPA. We were trying to puzzle out how that had happened and we noted that he had a lot of double plays that year, so maybe some high leverage double plays had contributed to it. A few listeners wrote in to note that it seemed like the leaderboard of high war negative WPA players was populated by a lot of defense first players, and that's an excellent point because one of the limitations or simplifications of WPA is that it credits run prevention to the pitcher not to the Fielder, so if a lot of your war value is coming from your defense, then that's not really going to be accounted for by your WPA. And so it would be easier for a high war player to be a negative WPA player if a greater percentage of his wars coming from his defense of value. So I looked at it again, this time substituting for war, I used offense, which is a fan graft stat that just takes into account your runs above average as a batter and as a base runner without positional adjustment or anything like that. And if we go by that, then 2010 Adrian Beltre still toward the top of the list, he's actually third because in addition to being a good defender, he was quite a good hitter, especially that year he had a one 40 WRC plus, so he still shows up toward the top, but the highest offense only player with a negative WPA since 74 is another Boston Red Sox. Bill Miller in 2003. So that year Bill Miller was worth 4.7 fan grafts were, but he had a 31.9 offense score, so he was like 32 runs above average, basically as a base runner and batter, and he had a negative .55 WPA. And it looks like his issue was un clutch Ness that year. He had a 9 38 OPS plus overall, but a 6 68 OPS in late and close situations. He had a 1322 OPS when the score difference was greater than four runs in either direction, and only a 7 60 or so when it was a tie game or within one run. So he didn't have a clutch year that year and that's how he ended up on top. So it was 2003 Bill Miller, 1991 Chris Sabo, and then 2010 Adrian Beltre after that 1996 Jose canseco 1985 Mike Davis, and I'll put the rest of the list online. Linked on the show page. This year's leader, by the way, with one of the top 20 scores all time is Santa Bo karts. Negative .2 WPA 18.9 offense. Lastly, we had a question about recursive caps, so a baseball cap that would have a character on it who was wearing the same cap. I put out a call for candidates and Joseph wrote in to note the 1978 Orioles hat actually does feature the Oreo bird wearing a hat with the oriole bird on it, however it's just the outline of the bird wearing a cap, so there's not enough detail for multiple levels
"adrian beltre" Discussed on Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"I know that it redounds to the benefit of some of their hitters, but I imagine there are times when their pitchers are like, huh, we're doing that on purpose. That's a thing that we've elected to do. We constructed that with people and material and we're keeping it there. No one's taking care of that in the middle of the night. So I think that there is a trend toward an instinct toward something reasonable when it comes to your ballpark dimensions where you are not dependent on very careful roster construction in any given season to maximize scoring potential and minimize runs allowed to the extent that you can. So I'd like to think that they would be like, oh, this is so cool and quirky, but after a while, first of all, they'd be like, this is not up to code. This is not sound. We have to do something different. And then after that, they'd be like, this is ridiculous. Like, imagine, you know, like Colorado has a hard enough time getting pictures to want to go there. Can you imagine if you were playing in the Polo Grounds? And then you're like, allow us to engage in free agency. Like, what would you know? Right. The one thing that you could say, I guess, about the programs is that I don't think it played like peak course field. It was actually kind of neutral. It was just weird. So that certain batted balls, it would dramatically inflate the value of and others. It would dramatically suppress. So I'll just read from the baseball reference bullpen page to call this stadium quirky would be an understatement. As the ballpark was one big quirk, the distances down the foul lines were obscenely short, yet there were no tall fences to prevent easy home runs, which should have made this a hitter's dream, but at the same time, the fences went straight back to a maximum distance of 483 feet to the center field Clubhouse. The Clubhouse itself at 515 feet from home plate in 60 feet high had no home run line on it, and it was unclear as to whether a batted ball hitting the roof would have been a home run. Some speculate that the ball needed to clear the fence at the back of the structure an additional 90 feet since no one ever reached the top of the front wall. The question was never answered. These idiosyncrasies should have made the stadium of pitchers delight. So the Polo Grounds hitter pitcher alignment depended on where the ball was hit. Only four people ever hit home runs into center field. Luke Easter in a Negro leagues game, Hank Aaron and Lou Brock on consecutive days and Joe adcock to add to the bonanza of oddities the bullpens were in play in the nooks of the outfield wall one could reason they could have put the bullpens behind fences or in foul territory, but for whatever reason the Giants did not do either. So the fact that it was both extreme and neutral is an interesting combination that those things kind of bounce each other out. So like on some batted balls you would feel extremely cheated and in others you'd feel extremely fortunate and I don't know whether those things would end up bouncing out in terms of the psychological effect of it. If you're just constantly ping ponging between like, well that was cheap or that's unfair, that should have been a better result in this should have been a worse result. Like, I don't know, there's character, obviously, to it, and it stands out, but I feel like it might be frustrating to always feel like. Yeah, everything you hit, it's like, you're used to it, I guess, if you're a giant fan and you're watching teams play there all the time, but every bad ball, everyone in the air, at least. It's like the result is not what it would be anywhere else I'd love to see some of the stat cast stats in the flow. The Twitter account, like, would it dong about what it had been gone in other parks? It would be gone everywhere, except here, or it would be gone nowhere except here. So that would be interesting. I'd love to see the breakdown in the baseball savant page for the expected home runs for hitters in the poet grants. It just seems like it would be very stressful to have that unpredictability. Matt, think about how we feel in the beginning part of every season when we're trying to figure out what the mood of the ball is going to be. You don't know you're like watching a broadcast and you're like, that was definitely out and then you're like, no, it wasn't. It just died at the track, or when 2019, and I was like, that's a lazy fly ball. And then I was like, I guess it's not, I guess it's a home run and it was very disorienting and stressful. So imagine. Just imagine. Seems terrible. Right. I mean, that home run that was hit by Harold Ramirez the other day at the traps. It was the slowest exit velocity of any home run tracked over the fence, right? 85.4. Weird? Yeah, I mean, that would be way gone in the poetry. That would be a bomb. It would be on its way to Jupiter. All right, question from Gus. Do we give enough credit to players who remain successful over long careers? Obviously it's impressive when someone remains in the league into their 40s, especially when they continue to play at a high level, but over the course of their careers, the league wide talent level is constantly increasing, while this might not be noticeable on a yearly basis over the span of any two decades, the talent level will have noticeably increased. 100 WRC plus in 2022 is more difficult to accomplish and more impressive than a 100 WRC plus in 2002, which in turn is more difficult and impressive than a 100 WRC plus in 1982, and so on. So if the same player had a 100 WRC plus in both 1982 at age 20 and 2002 at age 40, we might ordinarily think that their age 40 season is slightly more impressive in virtue of their relative to baseball advanced age, but should we think that it's much more impressive in virtue of the fact that competition was tougher in their age 40 season. Some examples, Adrian Beltre had a 100 WRC plus in 1999 and a 97 WRC plus in 2018, Ricky Henderson had a one 36 WRC plus in 1980 and a one 35 WRC plus in 2000. Willie Mays had a one 20 WRC plus in 1951 and a one 32 WRC plus in 1972. This is not to say that we're undervaluing them in terms of their unfilled production. I'm just talking about assessing their true talent levels over time with the idea being that Beltran's two talent level was probably a lot higher in 2018 than in 1999 despite his being roughly as valuable as a hitter in both seasons. Um. I don't thinking about that. That's a good point. I think it is. Yeah. I have always marveled at the fact that long careers exist at all because I always think it's the highest caliber league. There's so much competition. You have to be so good to get there. The margin of error is so small. So small. That the fact that anyone could stay at that level, or at least high enough level to qualify for that league for decades, just kind of amazes me, and I guess it's that, well, maybe if you lose some physical skill, you compensate by your greater wiliness and knowledge and experience and smarts, but it still is kind of incredible to me because it seems like it would be so hard to get there that you wouldn't actually be able to stay there that long because if you slipped it all, then you'd be gone and someone else would be right behind you. I mean, I guess it's the fact that for a certain period of our lives on the slog to rigor mortis, we don't decline noticeably physically, right? I mean, there are periods of your life where you very rapidly gain capability and there are periods of when you're born, you know, when you are just growing up when you go through puberty, whatever it is, and then there are periods, perhaps toward the end where you very rapidly lose. Well, and look, I don't mean to, in any way, minimize the very real health decline that people tend to experience in their actual old age, but like even just Ben even just your 30s. Even just your 30s. I never. I never tweaked my back swiffering in my 20s, not even one time. And I've done like four times in the last couple of months. And that's not, you know, it's like, that's like a couple of days of recovery time, and then I'm going to be fine. So again, I don't want to equate that with some of the very serious and at times debilitating health stuff that people can get as they actually age, but my point is mostly just that it sneaks up on you. And I think that when you think about baseball players, there's the stuff that is very much about. On field production relative to the rest of the league and then there's the way that on fields production and cost interact with one another, right?.
"adrian beltre" Discussed on Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"Just wanted to share the burden with everyone. Okay. All right, here's a question from Dennis, who says, MLB hasn't seen a team captain since David Wright and Adrian Beltre retired in 2018, the last captains before them were Jeter and canco in 2014 and then veritech in 2011. I guess I should mention that Brandon Belt is like kind of the captain. He named himself the captain and it's like kind of tongue in cheek and I don't know whether it's like official or not, but he's kind of been calling himself that. All right, continuing. Why are captains so rare in baseball? Is it related to the fluidity of rosters? Does it seem duplicative of the union rep position? What makes an official team captain anyway? Is it more official to be voted on by the players versus knighted by the organization might organizations be reluctant to elevate a player to that status for some labor related reason? So why don't we see captains more often in baseball or I guess we could ask the question why do we see captains elsewhere maybe having captains at all is the strange thing? I have a theory. Okay. I think that part of it is just the inertia of tradition and other sports like have team captains who I think players vote on. I mean, I'm sure there's feedback from the coaches, but like in football, I think that they vote and there are multiple captains in those sports, right? They tend to have like a captain, like the quarterback is almost right. Well, and like in football, the quarterback is almost always a captain, and then you will generally vote for a defensive captain and also a special teams captain, so you'll see multiple guys with patches. And I think some teams are very loosey goosey about it. They have a lot of their lousy with captains. Which makes it interesting because my theory about why we don't see it in baseball more often is that I think that there's not division in an acrimonious active sort of way, but there is, I think, a clear delineation often between pitchers and position players on teams. And so even though there are guys who are sort of viewed as Clubhouse leaders and they very well have the respective reliever here or there, whatever. I think that there is enough of a split in those units that sometimes having a unanimous captain is maybe a little harder to reach and so they should just vote for a pitcher captain and a position player captain and they call it good. And then they can have captains if they wanted to. But also just a camera over the responsibilities being a captain, like in football, you just flip you go out for the coin flip. Right. I don't think you have a jobs after that. It doesn't come with chores. Yeah, well, my theory, I think, is that in MLB and baseball, the manager fulfills most of the roles of the captain in other sports. Like, as I understand it, the captain in hockey is like a real thing because it's the person who is authorized to speak with the refs regarding rules interpretations when the captain is on the ice or if the captain is not on the ice, then the alternate captain can talk to the ref about the rules and in baseball the manager just comes on the field, which can not happen in hockey because head coaches wearing dress shoes and it's icy out there, right? So I think that could be it because if you look back, I believe in early baseball history 19th century, it was common or standard for there to be baseball captains, but I believe at that time the manager was not supposed to interact directly with the empires like they were not supposed to come on the field. They just had to sit on the bench and be quiet. And that changed at a certain point. And so once you had coaches, once you had managers and they could just argue with the umpire themselves, then I don't really know what you need the captain anymore for. It's just sort of a symbolic leadership position, basically. And then maybe your theory about it being harder to have a unifying force in a baseball Clubhouse or acknowledged leader. Maybe that comes into play there too. But I think just practically there's less use for one in baseball. And then I read at least on the captain in hockey, Wikipedia page that there is a role or at least there has historically been one for communicating players, wishes, to management, let's say. And so maybe that is as Dennis asked in the question you do have team reps right in union reps and so maybe they fulfill that role too. So I kind of doubt it like teams suppressing captain C so that you don't have to pay captains more or something like that. I mean, I kind of doubt it sad. I think it's just that it's sort of vestigial position in baseball more so than other sports. And I guess it's the same with football to some extent. I mean, you still have your head coach just on the sidelines, right? I mean, they might have a headset and they might yell a lot, but they don't just walk on the field and coach players during the game. And that is kind of the case for all the other sports except for baseball, which is the sport where the manager for some reason wears the uniform and just walks out there whenever he feels like it. Yeah. Do you have a guy in football who's responsible for making sure that the coach doesn't enter the field of play often?.
"adrian beltre" Discussed on Baseball Tonight with Buster Olney
"Put it down in the 100. You should be. He should be closer to one. Yes. He's at 52. I saw this. And I'm like, how is Ernie Banks raked over lefty Grover, Steve Carlton? Tim, and I'm not asking, I know it's not necessarily your vote. It's a compilation, but I saw that in like, nah, we got that wrong. Yeah, I thought Ernie Banks was a little high, but I do give him extra credit points because he won back to back MVPs as a shortstop. We forget those days, most of us can't even remember it. It was so long ago, but you put the whole thing together. He's 100% a top 100 player. I just thought he was a little bit high. Also, because again, Steve Carlton is a top 5 left handed pitcher of all time. In my mind, he should have been a little bit further up the list. This was interesting. The newest Hall of Famer David Ortiz over Cal Ripken, I love David Ortiz. There's no way Tim and I get it. Cal Ripken was not a natural hitter. You know that better than anybody. He had to tinker, hitting was hard for him, but his overall player, come on. Yeah, I wrote down Ortiz over Cal Ripken and Brooks Robinson. Now, this is not my Baltimore bias. I don't have any Baltimore bias. I'm just telling you that one guy is a top three or four shortstop of all time. Brooks Robinson is the greatest defensive third baseman of all time and at vastly underrated offensive player. And when you're dealing with the DH and I David Ortiz in top 100, I'm okay with, but if you're a DH and we're putting you ahead of a guy who made three errors in one year as a shortstop, playing a 162 games and ahead of a third baseman who won 16 gold gloves, there's no way David Ortiz should be ahead of both of those guys or Roberto Alomar for that matter, Taylor. When I saw this, I thought, maybe you would want to take a swing at it. The idea that David Ortiz is ranked above Cal Ripken. Did David Ortiz play in the field? Did he have any impact defensively? No. Okay, all right, that's all I have to say. Thank you. I thought this was interesting, Tim. Because I know that they were teammates and I know about their relationship and their preeminence that Max Scherzer was ranked over Justin Verlander. That was interesting to me. Yeah. Well, there were a lot of interesting things on this list. I think Scherzer has had more overpowering seasons than Berliner. Both of them are a Hall of Famer for me. I think when you look at career value, it's really close, but I think when you look at 20 strikeout games, no hitters, even though Verlander's done all of this, I would put Scherzer slightly ahead of vern lander, but it's a toss up for me, either way, both are Hall of Famers at the moment. Bryce Harper ranked over Adrian Beltre. I think Bryce Harper will finish his career in the top 100. That one I don't get because of how good Adrian Beltre is at his particular position to him. Yeah, you can make a case, Beltre is a top 5, third baseman of all time, that may be a stretch, but maybe not. Defense, spectacular, only Brooks Robinson played more games at third base than Adrian Beltre. I think he was an underrated player in a lot of ways, played in some big ballparks, but once he's up for the Hall of Fame, he's going to be a first ballot guy because of the defense, the teammate aspect and had some really good really good offensive numbers. So you and I did a hot stove Zoom call the other night of my old high school and you mentioned and this got the attention of a lot of folks who work at the school that I yell at you off then on my one on your one through ten buster yelling at me scale, how was today? Not bad so far, but we haven't gotten to one to 51 yet, so you're gonna probably yell at me some more. Look, yelling is good. This is the point. You can have a spirited even heated debate as long as everyone doesn't resort to name calling. There's no point in that when we're debating two guys who play baseball a hundred years ago. How you gonna prove that? You Walter Johnson graduate you. Now that we're not we're calling names. All right. So that guarantees that I'm going to bring it back next week, Tim. Thanks for doing this. Well, thank you, buster, enjoyed it. Now.
"adrian beltre" Discussed on Set Lusting Bruce: The Springsteen Podcast
"I know they needed to. And i hope joey does wealth The yankees but it. Just it's white lot bad baseball in arlington a lot of babies. At least you got. You got garcia. So that's you know he's somebody you can build around. Maybe yeah yeah. I think they have a plan and they haven't had a plan for a while. Yes i entering the christiane. He's doing I you know. I did the at least you know. It's gonna take a little while but i think they're. They're they're pointing in the right direction. Now yeah. I'm we talked about my son and i you know that when walsh was leading them and they went and played. You know san francisco. You know we felt like you know American league champions and then the next year when we lost the cardinals we felt like world series. Losers was that you know And we still joke about if we see someone in saint louis jersey like since to suit. Well maybe you happy originally favorites. Not one of my favorite guys. That i've covered over my time. Mitch moreland when he was with the red sox and mitch. Mitch could not be a nicer guy. He's he's a guy been wanting to be one of my one of my favorite guys to cover when the red sox traded him. I was really bummed. like man. he's just a really good dude so he he always talks with You know he's always bummed about what happened because there were so closer pitch away from from winning. You know a couple times era pitcher away exactly. Yeah so what was on a. I always loved I i'm a big I listen to the the ticket here in dallas right the big sports station here and one of the morning guys is a distant cousin to mitch. Moreland i mean both were from the really small town in mississippi and he talked to gordon talk to his mom and said that through. You know fourth six cousins. I mean it was not close at all but he kind of adopted him because he's like oh he's family and i just always loved bench portland. I think yeah. I was glad to see Success when he moved onto someone else but yes he. That's that is a good story. I appreciate you heard that so you can you. Can you can win the way knowing mitch. Mcconnell was at that the other thing. And then i'm gonna get to mary question By best one of my best friends is of red sox and so before the pandemic he and i would always go to a red sox ranger's game and Enjoy that together and He a we had just got adrian beltre j. and he was telling everyone around that he says you guys are gonna love this guy. He said i was so sorry. The red sox did not keep him. You're gonna love this guy. And then he ended up having this really nice career with the rangers so one of the biggest mistakes that they made with the red sox was something was trading for adrian. Gonzales and letting adrian baltra go yeah they had they had done the reverse scott..
"adrian beltre" Discussed on Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"But after the game, a lot of people were screaming up show. And I think it's high time we make clear distinction between a very bad call and up show. In my opinion, Don, I never say this right. Den kinger? The future. Denzer? Jim Joyce blowing the galaga perfect game although they got a book out of that so it ended up being fine. Last night, these are all very bad calls. Meanwhile, Adrian Beltre ejected from moving the on deck circle ejecting the ground screw in Baltimore, these are examples of up shows, am I wrong? What's the best way to differentiate between the two? I think if it's strictly a judgment call in the field, it's almost always a very bad call, especially if you can surmise that the offending empire likely feels more bad about it than anyone else, whereas if there's even a hint of pettiness involved, it's an un show, but I'd love to hear your thoughts. So Ben, how do we distinguish between very bad calls and up shows? I should say first, I agree with the premise of this. But I don't actually think it's up for debate. They're very clearly different things. The up show is making the game of that himself. Right. And a bad call, those usually don't want to make the game that themselves. They probably wish they had disappeared. Right. An up show is where you make very demonstrative bald strike calls where you show up the manager or the eject somebody or anything like that. And I'm shows where you consistently do something to make the game more about yourself. Right. You've seen how hard it is called game. Right? The idea tracks. I mean, Joe west is an up show, but an enjoyable one sometimes. Right. They're I'm shows are where the umpires think they're the entertainment to me. And the examples that Alex gave were great. People through that circle, hilarious, clearly enough showed moment. I don't actually remember which empire ejected him. Yeah, I don't quite recall either. Ejected the ground screw. Yeah. Object the ground screw because you're like, oh, I glue that call. I shouldn't have ejected the ground's crew. It was really close. Right. You do it because you want to make it about yourself. I don't think I'm show is a valid complaint for mister Cole. I think it is a valid complaint for a way of umpiring that makes the umpire a main character. And if you unwilling to become a main character 'cause you blow a huge call, that's a different thing. So I think that the distinction listed here by Alex is about right, judgment call, almost always a very bad call. I don't think there needs to be pettiness for it to be an option show. Interesting. It doesn't need to be that you're showing up the players. You can still make it yourself without being petty. Yeah. And it's still a numb show. Who's the guy who has the very aggressive looks like he's stabbing the batter out called strike three call. Campaign maybe? I don't remember exactly who it is. I think there are a couple that gesticulate pretty dramatically. I was gonna ask you as a follow-up to this to this email. Like how do you feel about the demonstrative ball strike calls? I love it. Yeah. That's a way for an umpire to be part of the entertainment that is not getting in the way of the actual entertainment. And so that is platonic ideal for me. Yeah, I think that I think that that tracks for me too because it's I also think that it like, you know, if I were an umpire and you're behind a mask the whole time, it's really weird thing because you're right. I think that ideally, whatever your brand of officiating is in a sporting contest, like you want that person to not be someone you remember at all, right? You want their presence to be to be something that doesn't stick for even one second after the game has concluded because it indicates that the game was called fairly and that it was about as you said, like the play on the field and not the empire. Right. But I also imagine that if you're a profession is to be an umpire, that kind of on occasion sticks in your craw because you probably feel put upon, you feel underappreciated. No one likes you really know. Right, you're either unnoticed or hated. Right, you're and so if you are trying to find space in the game for them to sort of vent some of that consternation in a way that is unlikely to impact the play on the field and to your point gives us a little flair and entertainment that I think that you should all be like my Italian grandmother and gesticulate wildly back there and have like a real signature move because you're doing a fun thing, as long as the call itself wouldn't have been different, which means you probably need something for balls and strikes so that you are not tempted to call one over the other because you really want to. You need something dramatic for both things. I think that that's, I think that that's great. I asked my mother, what would your what would your strike three move be? And I expected her to not have one because she is like a fair-weather baseball fan. She likes watching baseball with me, but otherwise does not seek it out, really. And she had that she was ready. She had one, and I was like, this is, you know, this is evidence that we are both literally in culturally Talia. This is maybe not a popular opinion, but I also like the umpires who sometimes wait awkwardly long before calling a strike because I appreciate a little like, huh. Yeah. We'll wake up call where I see a pitch down the middle, and I'm like, that was a ball. And then a second later they're like, this is a strike one. Yeah. I didn't expect it, because they tricked me. They drew me in to paying attention to the empire. By making a correct call without taking anything away from the players. So I think yeah, I like when umpires are neat that way. Not so much when they make the game at themselves. And two baseball's credit and to the umpiring union's credit. There are a lot fewer shows these days. Yeah, I think that that has been has been tamped down in a useful way..
"adrian beltre" Discussed on Baseball Tonight with Buster Olney
"That frustrates me a little bit is as much as he struggled with the slider, he couldn't come close to hitting a high fastball this year. Then you've all got away from that. The two, the two big hits in these NLD S's Freddie Freeman homers off Josh hayters to me second best pitch, a slider. Cody Bellinger gets a hit off Duval to me second best pitch slider. Those two guys have ridiculously effective fastballs and those were not the pitches that they threw in those situations and it hurt them both. Yep, Gabe kapler said after the game that he was not going to second best second guess the pitch selection, but I agree with you. In fact, it was Doug and I were talking. Our guest was that he was going to come at him with a high fastball, a pitch he couldn't get to, but you could understand. I mean, just slider after slider after slider in this game against Cody and the Giants dominated him during the regular season. Max Scherzer, you know, I was joking during baseball tonight last night how they need to give MRIs to the other Dodgers after last night because how hard Max Scherzer was celebrating no starting pitcher is more suited to be a closer than max coming through with his first career save. Yeah, there is every reason in the world to love what Max Scherzer does on the field as a teammate as a competitor. There's no holes in any of that because when you mix Uber talent with such dedication to his craft, such intensity, it's such a win win. So his reactions is looking at Dave Roberts Hector in the season, Dave Roberts would joke when max comes in or comes out or soon after a game or even before a game, you know, everyone else is looking for high 5s, pets on the ass. Don't touch Max Scherzer. His body is Adrian Beltre's head. Do not touch me. Do not invade my airspace. I need this room and that's just an impossible thing to poke holes in. I love Max Scherzer and I love them on my team. How about Mookie bets, he's now 13 for 24, 5, 42 batting average in 6 elimination games since joining the Dodgers. And I was thinking about this last night, Carl that I mean, you and I have heard stories about how hard Mookie betts is on himself. There is a along with me in a great player. There is a deep insecurity there, and yet in big moments he always manages to find the center stage. Two things about Mookie last night, they clearly had a game plan against Logan Webb. You know, like, we're not going to we're not going to stretch the zone here. We're going to wait for him to throw one in the zone. His first at bat, epitomized the execution of the game plan perfectly. Bottom half of the ending Mookie betches in right field and there are some shots hit out there and he's involved defensively. Not necessarily web gen type plays, but really good plays. So to me, after one inning, Mookie betts is locked and loaded. We got him. He got a hit, and he made a defensive play. So any of those I'm beating beating the heck out of myself are gone. He knows at least to me and you know, just being an athlete or being a competitor, you realize like this, it's not going great today and I can feel it or wow. Okay. It's working. It's coming easily. It's free. He was free after one inning last night. And saw the ball differently than 8 other Dodgers that came to the plate behind him. He was the only guy that did that against Logan web who again makes you feel like on the short list of Cy Young candidates going into next season, Logan webs on the list. Mookie betts felt great. And I love the fact that you could tell what his plan was and that first at bat. He finally got a pitch to hit and he drilled it in a left field. So Kevin cash spent the entire off season being second guess for that decision he made in the last game of last year's World Series pulling Blake Snell. I think that the second guessing of Dave Roberts may have followed him all the way into retirement, Carl, if they had lost that game last night because of the decision that was announced by the Dodgers hours before last night's game, Dave Roberts calling, Gabe kapler, hours before the game and letting him know, hey, we're not starting. We're starting Corey knabel as an opener. And they also plan to follow him with Bruce Dar gradual. Man, if this hadn't worked out, Carl for a defending champion, let's say if the Giants escort two three runs early, oh my God, the reaction would have been on social media. People would have lost their minds, so it's important in this moment to say, you know what? The analytics, the plan, the gambit that they played yesterday, it all worked out. Yeah, emphasis on worked out. You know, we started this conversation about Mike schilt and analytics. I you can not manage based on the result of how social media is going to treat you. In fact, I would strongly encourage everybody not to do anything based on how you think social media is going to treat you. That decision was not made in a vacuum in Dave Roberts shower before he went to the ballpark. That was a that was a consensus and a collaboration between everybody on that team and certainly in that organization at the top levels. Social media V dammed, Dave Roberts is going to go talk to Andrew Friedman and everyone else in the front office. And they're going to come together today if they had lost and said, well, we screwed that up. That didn't work. And look, there were some balls hammered in that first inning. One of them was going to be a home run in many ballparks. So I think to say it worked out is different than saying it worked. It worked out, they won the game. And by the way, they had history with that, too. This was not.
"adrian beltre" Discussed on Talk Radio 1190 KFXR
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Chapman 2 HRs and Defensive Gem for a's in 8-3 Win at Texas
"Oakland hit a season high five home runs is the ace to feed the Texas Rangers eight to three spoiling the induction of Adrian Beltre in Rangers PA announcer Chuck Morgan into the Texas Rangers hall of fame the A. snapped a three all tie in the seventh with four runs off loser Jordan Lyles and reliever Brett Martin highlighted by back to back solo shots by Mitch Moreland and Matt Chapman with two home runs in the game also had a defensive gem Matt Olson also homered for Oakland his thirty of the season the Dandolo drove in two runs to lead the Rangers attack Bob Stevens Arlington Texas
"adrian beltre" Discussed on Newsradio 700 WLW
"And this is the Cincinnati Reds pregame show presented by your Cincinnati Northern Kentucky. Honda dealers. I'm Dave are Brewster Despite the loss last night, it was a big night for Joey Votto, who collected career R B number 1000. And he did it by hitting a home run in the bottom of the third. He met with the media earlier today and was asked if he remembered R B I number one. Mm, First one was the home run off of John Mayne. In my rookie year. And seven or my, my initial call up. And, um, that was cool. You know, I was I was in a kind of a grumpy frame of mind because I felt like I should have been in the league years before that, you know, I remember as an 18 year old in the Gulf Coast League. Um Hitting well and like Starting to figure out how to hit professionally and one of the coaches. Bobby Williams. Say, What are your goals and I said to be in the major leagues next year, and he was like No, seriously. What are your goals and in my head? I was like Oh, no, dude, I really I'll figure this out really quickly. Um, obviously, that didn't happen, but not terribly long. After that. I felt like I was ready offensively. And, um, you know, at first base defensively, I was fine. I had a reputation for not being, um, very good. But my early career numbers showed otherwise. I was I was a good defender, Um So I was grumpy when I first came up, so I wasn't in a very good mood When I, uh got to my first start by. It was like it's about darn time so And now I'm just I'm very happy to be here. Joey, If you're just looking at your number's the home run milestone this year in the RV milestone, it puts you up there with reds, who are in the Hall of Fame, the National Baseball Hall of Fame. Do you ever allow yourself to think about that? What that might be like if that could happen for you of the National Baseball Hall of Fame. I spend most of my time thinking about I I mean, Whether I'm making a minimum or or or a big number, salary wise, I've spent all my time thinking about or most of my time thinking about How can I be competitive? As long as I have an opportunity to to play and so I would really like, you know, I was. I've been very fortunate to see some Clearly, excellent players play well to the very, very ended their career. Um Where they opted not to play anymore. You know, I'm talking about Adrian Beltre talking about Torii Hunter I'm talking about, Um, you know, David Ortiz. These are players that decided, you know. Chipper Jones. I've had enough. Derek Jeter. That's good, you know? And, um Those are the those are the players. I admire the most. Because I know that one day I won't be good enough to play baseball anymore. But As long as I have an opportunity to I want to keep fighting and I look up to those players, among others. And try to emulate that, and that's what gives me the greatest. Um, joy, and that is my current challenge. Some.
"adrian beltre" Discussed on The Sean Salisbury Show
"Bill longtime friend. Sean salisbury. this is the sean salisbury. Show talk all right hour number four if you are in the opinion or fact sports business meaning what we do. What a journalist. I don't say we're journalists opinion. Entertainment a journalist who writes for a paper or Comes on and you credibility and to say. Here's what i heard years vows told. Here's my sources. I stand firm if you're in the opinion or fact business and you're afraid of either giving your opinion and worried that well. What if this person doesn't like it. Or what if this group of society doesn't agree with me or what am i write this. And it's factual but others call me a liar. But it's still factual blah blah blah. You've gotta stand your ground if you wanna be good now. If you're just a straight stat guy for the most part like ryan spader is than maybe you stick to stats. But if you've got inside information that you're feel good about the post it. I mean. I'm not time but aaron dirty laundry on something that is family right but if it's something to do with what's going on a lot of the cheating going on in baseball the constantly we hear about pitchers hitters signs stealing all this and if you've got sources or got belief in it and you posted stand by your word now but it would be a stand by your word now in case ryan spayed. Now i didn't get a screenshot. I saw what he said and a paraphrase if somebody got the screen shot yesterday about him basically time but he can't take it he goes. I don't know if. I wanna post this or not. He goes. i'm thinking about it. You don't fast and then get rid of it right though right right. That's that's the point. I don't know he was sitting on a fence whether we should post. Then he did talking about chaining of other teams. He'd heard What somebody had told him all these things. Well he came out today and he was even unsure when he was tweeting yesterday about posts whether he should say it or not and he's a stats guy. He's a he he does a lot of stats but this was inside baseball stuff and that he supposedly had sources and set it. Well here's this tweet. As of ten forty two yesterday. Am so he went with that and deleted them and came out with this. I deeply regret everything that i said. It has turned my life down. It was a mistake. And i should not have reported on unfounded allegations. Meaning the cheated wants cheating once. He was talking about of other teams. I sincerely apologized to all those impacted. It should not have happened and it will not happen again. Stick to stats all right. So do we call this a coward. Move yes oh guide. A guy is coward move. And he's a guy. And by then tyler's blog will be up his opinion on this success dot com. Got it up okay. Is it a coward move. And do you believe one that is true or secondly that somebody major league baseball because of the big time organizations he was talking about that somebody and major league baseball with him and said bad idea. Did i think that there was a lot of that. There was a lot of noise probably came at him that he wasn't expecting necessarily didn't expect all the heat that he would get. I just i do believe that he probably has people that are feeding him what he said. Somebody's telling him what he said. This inside baseball. It's hard like look. I said the other day when yesterday when you were gone. And i'll stay. I set it on the air for the first time. And i'll stand by it. When i've heard enough from people that i don't ever say about on the air like there's just some things i just don't say but like in two thousand eighteen. I was in cleveland with chris. Gordy and we were standing there watching the astros take. Bp had the day before game three day lds and a player on the team comes to me. And we're just having a conversation. We started off talking about some football Because i think it was. I think it was college football. There was a big matchup that weekend. in the conversation got to we're terrified about tomorrow's game because cleveland has all of our science because they have a camera then. They didn't tell me where the camera like. That's i think that's the kind of thing that he has like. He probably has one person. That's giving him information. Not a lot of people and they say now gimme two sources go because you've got to be able to validate it and it makes it more credible right and i. I think that that is the issue here. Like i did. I didn't say the thing about cleveland until this guy said well he's been he's going to say something for a while like you don't just suddenly make this up if you've been putting in that you're going to say something and you eaten at him like eating out of he wanted he wanted to speak it into exist right so you know. There's a lot of things that i want to speak out about. But i'm not gonna do that. You feel about that too right. We all have information certain things. It's like what good is it going to do right or wrong. And he just you know high about dirty laundry bone it comes to the cheating if it's factual and everybody's bashing one team but it goes on and you have sources in its factual. I'm not sure that's like erin. Dirty lonnie thrown under the bus. I think it's just equaling the plainfield to give people. A perspective on rules are being broken right. So what's more cowardice. Move saying it without an extra couple extra sources or delete knitting being afraid of the backlash deleting and being afraid of the backlash and it's it's very clear now. Someone asks me this on twitter. And i said i don't know if it's mlb that got to him directly but someone got to basically say we're either gonna sue you or whatever it is. They needed to say to get delays. You're you're you're going to be pushed aside and you're not going to get to do this anymore. Which if that's the case. Look i made a point in the article. I said if every journalist in the history of time shied away from stuff like this just because they would threaten some of the big stories in the history of the world would have never been brought to light. And if it's factual yeah go ahead on the grand scheme of this is a very small stories when you can take in everything going on in the world. Don't shy away from this. Come on dude. The truth is you withstand the barrage for a week or two days earlier. People are like. Oh you're listen. If he does now than everybody people are gonna come out and say well why would you back off factual right. But he said it. Would he say it was that they were unfounded. Comments or facts said that he had he said quote. Everything that i'm about to say was verified by more than one basis right. According to him he did and then but then he said to my he also named name. So maybe that's part of where he named like wires name. Maybe somebody came to him. That's connected to one of these players or something. Instead legally leeann adrian beltre specifically and didn't name beltran. Yes yes ask as the. I would guess the beltran thing you could probably do. Because he's he's been nothing new. So i listen. I understand the situation and some people don't like criticism. The key is you never have to worry in any part of your life. If you tell the truth that you really think about. I mean i know it sounds so elementary. Raise kids you tom. Think about like for instance. A person who cheats in in their relationship or is cheating somebody financially and thinks getting away for a business cheaper usually on parkway with it right. They eventually don't but here's a big reason why. Mc and like when tyler would people play play on their spouse or on their girlfriend.
"adrian beltre" Discussed on Baseball Together Podcast
"Welcome back baseball family. We're gonna jump into the rest of our current events right now starting with some no hitters in the first one i want to talk about obviously has to do with john means in baltimore throwing a no no against who against the moon. Excuse me against the mariners. That's right now brad. This is my question what is with the mariners. Either being the victims of so many knows or narrowly avoiding victimhood of the nose repeatedly what is happening. so this is the thing about seattle. You could send you could send the best hitter in the league to seattle. I mean adrian. Beltre is exhibited for this. He was he was outstanding before he came to seattle outstanding after he left seattle but for some reason during his time in seattle he got. There's some bug or something like that in that stadium guys. Forget how to hit. I don't know what it is. I have no idea but guys forget how to hit shown figgins before he came to seattle when he left the angels was on. I don't wanna say hall of fame trajectory. But he was a very good player he got to seattle and just fell face the earth and it wasn't because it wasn't just because he was not good but it's because he forgot how to hit in just about forgot how to play baseball while he's in seattle. I don't know what it is. And i swear the man's been no hit more times than anybody in the last like ten years. I don't know if that's true but that's what it feels like so it feels that way we'll just in the last ten days it feels that way. Oh my gosh so game. One of the four game series against the against the indians on thursday night. That was kalanick's debut. They were no hit through seven like seven. Plus right you know it was. It was the first batter the eighth inning got a hit. And it's like jeeze about time man. They're going to get no hit again and within a week. It was legitimate concern of mine. It is one hundred percent astonishing and. I don't think anybody knows how to answer for it. Brad do you. I don't i have no idea what it is. The only thing i can think of is the need to get a better Hitting coach up the big league level. They had edgar martinez for a few years but then deciding what my kids are at a good age to be home so i want to be home now. He's a consultant but they need to find a really good hitting coach. He could teach these guys how to actually hit the big level because all do so well. The minor leagues the reason..
Pollock 8 RBIs, Beaty 7 RBIs, Each Slam as Dodgers Bop Brews
"AJ Pollock and Matt Beaty both had monster games is the Dodgers crush the brewer sixteen four Pollock hit two home runs including a grand slam driving in eight runs while BT also had a slam and drove in seven this was the first time in twenty one years that a pair of doctors it slams in the same game with Adrian Beltre in Shawn green doing it back in two thousand BDM Pollock combined for seven of Ellie's eighteen it's making a winner of Julio your reus Alec Bettinger suffered the loss allowing eleven runs over four innings I'm David Shuster
Scott Servais says 'We'll see' when asked if struggling Felix Hernandez will make next start for Seattle Mariners
"Sports desk former teammate Adrian Beltre along with your ex and profile and Roberto. Dur all hit homers off Felix Hernandez he gave up eight hits walked four and gave. Up, eleven runs seven earned and another struggle on the mound for king Felix who may. Be banished to the bullpen or sent to the disabled list after his latest ugly start the third and deciding game of the series with a. Rare, Rangers in the Mariners comes up at eleven oh five our time this. Morning from