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Cinephile: The Adnan Virk Movie Podcast

01:27 min | 1 year ago

Cinephile Returns

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1:05:17 hr | 1 year ago

Adnan Virk

"Summertime rallies like a fire are some of the people line dance will qualify represent the L._b._c. we danced with a guest uh Lana del Rey covering a little sublime doing time which is really like a cover or a sort of evolution of the song summertime summertime there we go do in time and it is the summertime it it is summertime. It is significant. We're talking about evolutions. Lana del Rey being an artist that she got a lot of crap about her S. and L.'s. I just feeling like she wasn't ready to do what she did. She got a lot of grief also because she's like a beautiful woman and they're like Oh. It's just a model trying to sing and here she is stepping out doing a cover of sublime song. There is hard as it get as hard as it gets. I give her a lot of credit and I'm saying <hes> good for you for evolving and that's the topic of what we're GonNa talk about at the top the show today by the way Adnan virk on the show today he has all the letters of Dan van Kurkin his name and yet he managed to put it into a different his jumbled it up it was like he's boggled. Dan Van Kirk name into his name and he is. He's currently doing <hes> <hes> the baseball version of the red zone show if you will <hes> for M._l._b.. <hes> now frame O._B.. was on design and with our Buddy Scott Rogowski and he's amazing and he's GonNa come on the show. We're GonNa talk all things baseball with him. We'll get into so much stuff. We'll get into Justin for landers comments about the ball being juiced we'll talk about the possibility of <hes> obamacare robotic umpire did you say robotic and buyers empires the Nevada robotic Umpires <hes> so let's talk about that because that is actually <hes> an later during the show. We've got a voicemail for Michael Cain about the U._S.. Women's soccer team which is not very nice but <hes> <hes> I mean is nice that he gives voicemail but his sentiments are nice talking about rule changes in sports because sports are trying to evolve in a couple of it's sort sort of come up that a couple of them have are potentially discussing and possibly talking about employing some real changes. J. Weren't talking about the show the N._F._l.. has floated an idea. It hasn't been approved by the players yet and it's a really interesting idea and the intricacies about it's one of the most creative ideas the N._F._l.. Has Come up with which is interesting because the N._F._l.. Seems like of all the League's the least likely to evolve yeah the least likely to be nimble so the N._F._l.. Is proposing an eighteen game schedule instead of a sixteen fifteen games schedule now immediately when you hear that you say well what's going on with C. T.. You've got situations right now. Where players don't need more hits to their head? They don't need more games in the season. Hold on a second what they're suggesting is is every single player on every roster can only play in sixteen games so now it's an issue of strategy for the coaches and that's not just for the Tom Brady's of the world the <hes> the Pat Mahomes of the World Avion Embel- embezzle sat most games. I know but yes it's also for the offensive linemen <hes> it's also for the defensive Lineman. It's also for your your lockdown corner like what it's GonNa. Force what it could force coaches to do is to make decisions now. If you're a team that you think you're going to be in the playoffs. You'RE GONNA make the playoffs to the couple. Games left in the season all right you roll the dice and you hope that like you don't need a guy in week seventeen week eighteen in this case a week nineteen eighteen twenty because I think there'd be to buy weeks the season like art thing is like if you haven't sat your best guy it's week seventeen and you need them and you gotta sit them or his early in the year and you sit a guy at a game at the beginning remember. When Tom Brady sat three four games four games it didn't make so there's that you can always get those winds back towards the end of the season when you need them most in focused most that's an option as well? It becomes a strategy play also rolled into this proposal it. Ah is to less preseason games which I've always said they should do that. You don't need four preseason games. You don't basically no one you care about plays from the half of the first quarter on in the first and second game right in the third. The third game is the only time you play your starters. Throw one half and that's it and then a fourth game. Nobody plays because you don't WanNa injuries so yes. I think it's cool for the guys who were trying to make a squad to get those chances but that's why you have practices. That's why you you do what you do in practice and then you have those two games to figure it out. You don't need a four-game take two of those games. These guys are knocking their heads against each other and it doesn't it isn't for anything and have it count towards the season and of course worse more revenue for the owners more revenue. We're all about we. Are we really are trying to money a owner's pocket but more at more revenue for the players as well. They share in that revenues right so it's a chance for the players the players don't make look the owners charge charge the same amount for the tickets. I was listening to Sam web talk about this <hes> on his great podcasts <hes> Michigan insider the owners still charged full price for the preseason ticket. Yeah I mean it's almost better for the fans to because you're actually getting a game that counts again game it matters and now you're in a situation where coaching strategy and strategists and L. Strategy and choices G._M.. Mixed with head coach all that stuff now that comes into play so you're a guy who's maybe third on the depth chart second in the depth chart okay now you are suddenly in every game. You're you've got a shot to maybe get in there so let's say let's use a quarterback position for example all right. Pat Mahomes is is out of a game because he has to sit a game and now you've got his backup in that guy's backup needs to be ready. That's right because at one one hit or one or the guy's playing poorly you're you're. You're next man up. It gives you a chance to not only play in a preseason game does matter in the count sleigh in a game that count. I think this is great and I would love to see that that to me is an exciting thing now on the flip side I they're talking about having <hes> robotic Empires Umpires <hes> in baseball and I think there I have to against this and part of the reason why I'm against it is <hes> I really at home template at home plate really like the stops in tennis right is the only sport where it works and we talked about that. Basically we see it in the announcing you see it in their call but they show you the square and they show you where the ball and there's like three d. He did you see where the ball is coming where drops in the zone so basically they wanna arm umpires with that but here's the problem people already are complaining the baseball's too slow. Are you gonNA on on a three to pitch on a to winning and a use it to get three in a game. I don't know I like let's say it's three two. It's the middle of winning. The out is important to your team. You throw a borderline pitch. No one's on base. You're up by two runs this guy go over to a booth call New York. You have a conversation wait three or four minutes to then come back and VAT validate what he had already called so now you've wasted four minutes of a game when they're trying to shave seconds from every corner of baseball. I I agree with that but I think that would be the only way I would allow the <hes>. The robot compare to work is if you just strike out yeah it's it's on a ball and a strike and you get one. You basically get one or two challenges challenges in a game you know if you get the first one and you get it wrong then you don't get the second how about this you get the first one you get it wrong and the players out yeah I mean that's another is a real risk for even using the challenge to me. That would be great. If you are wrong the players players out that to me would be like hey not so fast. You can't use these challenges and I would argue the only way I would do. It is <hes> if you can get the challenging quickly so you're not you know if you get that seconds to challenge or no if the pitcher gets an ex pitch off then that that challenge is gone right so you know yes there are ways to do. There could be ways to do it but I think it's tricky and I don't love it like I love the potential rule change in football. I think I love the rule change of possibly <hes> being able to steal first base is amazing if there's a pass ball and no matter what the count is your down Oh to an pitcher tries to throw in the dirt and it gets away from the catcher and you try and steal first-base amazing. How cool would that be by the way it's up to the batter? If if you can let that ball drop if it gets away no one's ever going to be called out on that on a on a ball that's in the dirt or gets away from a catcher so you know you can just stay up there and staying account or you can make your decision to try and go I it to me. I think it makes the sport more exciting questions. What do you get like what is that if you read? I hope you're on base. Percentage certainly does it her is it hurt your batting average. It's the same way as as you struck out and then you move out or a walk the strike out then you shouldn't get credit for strikeout. It's exciting to me it should it in my opinion being non at that but what if what if it's runners on first second and third and there's a I mean a pass ball the runner could of course score what if there's a runner on I two I do where if you can only do it. When I is an occupy I think it has to be fleshed out but I agree that would put more pressure on the catchers and that would put more pressure on the catchers having to be sound defensively? You'RE NOT GONNA put in a guy who's like all right. Well this Guy Gary Sanchez. He's a great hitter but a terrible catcher terrible terrible catcher Yada Yada Lena this guy's a liability. I don't care how many home runs he hits. He just let's six people on basement pass balls. What are you going to call? It actually makes nice things better for the pitcher be for the hitters because the pictures like to waste pitch and throw it down in the dirt. If you don't have confidence in your catcher that guy could be standing on first base to me it is fascinating and I think it would change the game for the better and I like to see sports. Get a little more nimble. I don't think get ruined sanctity of the game no and I think it is cool to see sports evolve. It doesn't have to be the way it was always forever like that. That doesn't make it right. It just means that's how it was <hes> while I hear something that is is and was and we'll be great. That's our interview with Adnan Virk. I Love Adnan virk. He's smart. He's funny. He knows movies and he's with us on the other side of this break. <hes> this is to move on by Alex Eisenberg. You know the Eisenberg's yeah. 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I'm doing this doing this. I'm ready. They do this. Go to dot com slash cheats today for fifteen dollars towards your first savings goals start saving with twine dot com slash chief seats are guys welcome back to the show as promised so excited to have this guest on a he is someone whose work we totally enjoyed on the E._S._p._N.'s and now he does a great show with our good friend Scott Rogowski and great work on Zone <hes> I am. I pronouncing it right. I WANNA call the perfect. It's disown what it's like the member zone which was like the pizza that they folded in half at pizza there like here's a piece on diesel well which was great because it was so decadent in zone is kind of that as well. You guys have great boxing. You do sort of like what I call the red zone the N._F._l.. N._F._L. Red Zone of baseball. That's what it is so basically right. It's basically like when things are about to pop but you do such a great job and you and Scott have so much fun. We're so happy to have you on the show how you doing all thanks so much fouls trustworthy pleasures all mind that was rags number talking zagging get you on with the scars because he goes. I mentioned the day when there are filling in for Rome and then actually seventy seventy that clip bell be is a huge fan of Rome. She lives in Calgary and she's sent me the clips. I heard if you guys talking about by name which I was laughing at and I said this would be great. Guys I came up on zone are based shows. You're talking about favor. Identical twins yeah rags immediately said well. The scars are my favorite. That's right. I stupidly said Franken Semester. Sloan is identical twins whatever I just I just wanted to get frank in the show. I mainly please make some. I think he makes some residual checks for the song. Take you back which people saying that over like lit fire can in rocky to is that him. You're a huge movie guy. I know you're rocky. I was watching the day I because from watching C._N._N.'s series yes. Tom Is so good. I watched the nineties. What what's great about is that you just see these minute clips? My out great movie is the downside I two is. It's like it's at fast food on the next movie you'd like hanging. I wanted to hear more about Anderson Amadeus but okay. Let's come on the P._T._A.. I'd watch him do anything <hes> so so. Let's let's talk baseball because we kind of talking a little bit about it and there are some changes that are throat being thrown around in the early in the I guess the Pacific coast what the League that they're going to do where you can steal for me okay when that came up and that was actually entertained what what what are people saying on the inside to me. It's crazy now. I watch every pass ball in every it's just so much pressure on the catcher now in a weird way with absolutely those my first thought you're going to have to great defensive catchers like now all of a sudden Yadi Molina's become switch more critical emburey Sanchez's become so much more devalued because you do. You can't screw this out. We cannot allow a guy to get extra basis left and right. It's it's probably in the crazy ideas and early. Do you think about all the different ideas right. Three percents deterred is baseball fans in our lifetime. Hey when it gets the twelfth eighty just put a run around second you know right hell with extra innings deal that ideas insane a pitch clock to me when I I thought it was insane. Hang on the ball is timeless. It's without a clock. How could you have this? This is easily the most harebrained idea it's like it's a crazy but is it because our buddy <hes> our jeff tate. WHO's a very funny comic? I out of Cincinnati he he he does one of the best bits about baseball that like we all don't think about so what is the thing about baseball the P. More than in any of their sport. They preserve the statistics. That's why we were having an issue with leading the steroid era guys in that's why we're all about well. You gotTA match this guys. How can we match guys home runs with Babe? Ruth home runs well. Babe Ruth played against no people of color so like how it. How do we do the deadball era versus steroid air versus then we end there so meticulous within their like <hes> Fenway Park your left field is like two hundred twenty yards and twenty feet and giant law over here and then Wrigley Field just because the wind's blowing out if you bought it goes out you know what I mean like the the the Glengarry really going to protect the sanctity of like if we wanted to? Let's say let's say Montreal splits it team with Tampa Bay which will never happen but let's say Montreal gets a new team. They have a chance to build the new stadium WHO's to say. They're not going to build like a twenty meter. Sorry because it's Canada High Wall. That's that's as big as my kids little league field in right WHO's to say they won't do the porch it we were in Houston. Their new field you you want to our Houston was terrible for years and years and years down the astronauts and then they build minute maid park and now suddenly like dudes are jacking like altuve has one hundred home runs like I don't know the porch and let's is pretty short like Randy. I could probably reach chasing my my favorite part of minute maid Park Ecorse Towels Hill absurd to catch a fly ball and you go up a hill gonNA catch the ball when he's trying to denounce gay people is on the I loved it like Yeah Yeah. There's like a hill out there. You're like he's going to run into a family having a picnic on the hill and we we ran around on that hill because we were there at the all at the all-star game when they did the All Star game in two thousand six I believe or something like that where Tejada won the when the <hes> Chroma Homerun Derby and we're running around that field and yet Adnan it is ridiculous that that even existed out there. You're like Oh see want guys to break their ankles. I just WanNa make sure that what we want here minute maid park but I mean so again so when you talk about hair harebrained no one even talks about the construction of the parks that are then holding these stats as opposed to you know letting a guy go I think it would make the game crazy and interesting and put a lot of pressure on like you said that moment where a- As pitchers and I know you watch the game very closely where you say. Do you like a I. Let's say Clayton Kershaw are let's say like even Adam wainwright in his good days back in the day okay he's he's pitching better now but when you would say and yet yet on an Oh to our one to count would say bounce this one I got it. Let's throw it out of his own and let's let's have it starting zone and then bounce. It are catchers going to do that anymore if you did. That's pretty amazing if I agree for people who never get white baseball so great that they always missiles boring boring your like literally. I'm like you don't have the capacity to think you don't have analysis and intellectual thinking. Are you need to watch basketball or ball. Just goes into hope. You need to watch hockey with the puck the otherwise you can't take deposits because you don't get what's happening exactly your point randy. If you're watching baseball with three of his we're saying what pitch the first thing you say what pitches a Pitcher GonNa throw valuables ladder synchronize. Where's the hitter GonNa go what part of the quadrant into the strikes on isn't going to go so when you actually watch snack fan those things you're watching far where the fielder shifted etc you're right? If you add an element of can they waste a pitcher but we they can't ways to pitch because the first base is opened with the vote against second and third one out of a gun my God also what is best pitches actually a slider away. I would add an extra element of strategy that appears to appreciate. I think I actually so I'm not one hundred percent against it. I think it's okay what I'd love to see what I'd love to see as like the game has changed so much from when I'm sure I'm sure we're kind of in a similar age range or at least enough where you know you remember the days of like the eighties I would love to see a small market team that may be can't compete with like getting gigantic free agents and by the way does it work. I I mean look the phillies. They won the National League sweepstakes of getting Bryce Harper but is it really helping them out I mean would you rather be the braves. Would you rather be the phillies right now so the point is that like I would love to see a team like the royals. Who are you know forever? They had a great run for two years and then they got rid of everybody who was great. Goal likes Whitey Ball Small Ball. You know what I mean like. Just get soup speedsters who bought against the shift who do all these fundamental things in. Try chip away at things and see if a team can win like that do you do you even see that as a possibility yes oh rob Manfred seems to me is a guy who's progressive WHO's willing to try new things as a commissioner and be diff- divert elise. He's going to look at things whereas in the past baseball has struggled with this idea of too many traditionalist they don't want to evolve. I don't WanNa change things but but your point radio I think what makes baseball is the fact that it's not always gonna be the the big market team or necessarily that the best thing the regular season. He's like I like the N._B._A.. Does anybody obviously being Canadian. It'd be it from Toronto. I'm thrilled the Raptors one of the championship yeah sure but having said that when you want him there's like four teams to pay attention to like it's like all right Golden State and after all these traits the clippers okay the Lakers the thunder thunder anymore the rockets okay and that's about it whereas in baseball you can't say necessarily yeah the dodgers right now are loaded hundred eight hundred pace for what that bullpen shaky Kenley Jansen up the same guy once was and you can see the dodgers is losing a five game series against the braves and nobody would blake you can see them losing to maybe the cubs could hot at the right time to make some moves brewers etc so that that's the best part of baseball is the unpredictably of it right mentioned this market teams. I hope that continues news and I I agree with you. I don't I don't lock the Big Market Teams Board. I see the phillies spend that much money and their fan base is going bryce Harper okay. We'll get on your man. It's more it's more pressure in a weird way. It's like you accept the money you also accept the pressure sure that goes along with it especially in town like Philly but it would be great to see Kinda different attitude towards it saying like all right. We're GONNA get a bunch of speedsters who are great on defense and we're GonNa just bought the bar. We're GONNA slap the ball. We're GONNA make like you make the plays and we're going to beat you by stealing bases. We're GONNA beat you buy like when beat you by stealing first base just be to me really and with great defense great pitching and and speed might be an interesting way to like go about doing kind like a new version of moneyball well. That's what Joe Girardi we says by the way he's not the pace of plates the pace of action. There's not enough actually twenty guys who strike out or walk or get a home run the throughout cups and lets you guys are St Louis Guys obviously the eighties baseball the cardinals was the best guys ever did was trying to get Jose Okay with the hall the best thing you've ever done and if that is and we'll take that as one of our favorite things we've ever done any showed how much we loved the sport of like if you I love a utility guy than like Oh Canada who by the way I if you've ever met him is like the nicest sweetest guy I mean just an should be a manager should be a manager in baseball without a doubt he's just so smart in such a good diet players love him and he played all night positions missions so he can walk out there and tell the pitcher. Hey do this catcher hey do that. He's that guy who's like I've understood. I understand where everybody is on. The field would be great utility guy to do it. Do you think Montreal is going to get a team. I know we're good friends with Jonah. Keri and we talk about with a Mall Yeah by the way Joan job you guys did by the way resurrecting Cosio Kendo and and just being prideful cardinals baseball what a Job Joan it seriously rates in the hall of fame that is Beyond Friendship Joan Tim Raines mentioned by Merola. Whatever the Hell Yeah Joan of Jonah Bang that draw he rang the bell he ranked the absolutely right he said if you look at those stats the three eighty five on base percentage of rains and the the way in which he played all those numbers which you don't appreciate appreciate now his guys should absolutely in the hall of fame and like at the buzzer literally at the fights about to be stopped role in the towel Iraq mix fame? It was awesome to see two major issues. The stadium is such a disaster that idea about in Tampa so mike you you gotTa build a new stadium I so the whole idea of Split Imaging Tampa draw which the three of us no will never happen ever. It's beyond absurd because you imagine your family from Galveston Texas okay. I'M GONNA go go for spring training for four hundred then move my family too much well three months they go back to Texas. I'm paying taxes in two different kinds of three different style. There's just no way to do that. I never happened but for Montreal listen. Here's what they should have a team. It's two million plus. It's a great sports town. I think enough time has passed a new generation baseball fans of course the strike killed. That's exactly what happened yet. The fans were so past and so upset we've been a team. That's loaded ninety four. That's right pulled the plug. Will we're pulling the plug on you. Write it would work but you've got to build a state of and we all know the taxpayers will say listen baseball shoot us before you're so to speak well. How do we know they're not gonNA pull the team again? How best so are you GONNA get enough investors to build like a billion dollar downtown retractable roof stadium if that happens that absolutely Montreal I'm baseball return? It's the big old under no circumstances. It's literally if you build it. They will come. I believe you're right. I believe that I believe people will invest in it. I look at like the Winnipeg jets when they came back now. I know it's hockey but when the Winnipeg jets came back and again a Winnipeg is not your bustling in home metropolis Montreal is Montreal and so like with Winnipeg they come back with the jets or the new jets and boom. They sell out all their tickets. It's like a rush concert and out like all the season tickets are like gone in thirty minutes and when you say to yourself man this is a city starved for this team and with an I actually think that the raptors winning and basketball me it kind of broke Canada out in a weird way and said we can support sports that aren't hockey in a in a certain way and again. Joan laid it out in his book so well up in a way which was that really Toronto Baseball in Toronto had something to do with you know like Canadians like we'll get it from Toronto and then they win the world series. You know what I mean. It's like you sort of that kind of even siphoned some people way but I think there enough people in Montreal now. Would you rather play in front of six thousand people down at the TROP thirty miles from human life or would you rather go play at a in a stadium where people are jazz ask to see you in excited which they would be mantra. That's what I think I think so to there's enough nostalgia enough fans except there's fans who remember the experts and then there's younger fans man. I wish it could support a baseball team. I would have liked to have seen the experts been around here and of course the team is good. You go from there by the way best anecdote from up up and away. Donald Donald Sutherland was the Celebrity Expos Fan and he was such a superfan he'd be like shooting ordinary people with Bedford great movie what a great great felt. They don't make those kitchen sink dramas anymore right now Manchester by the seasons while the few of the last year those great dramas time Donald Sutherland would just literally pay the long distance he'd have to call and everybody playing the expos gave on the radio for it is the beauty of base that is the beauty of baseball so good and and you know you were talking a little bit about parody in the League I Italy compared. I actually think if he'd just go back for one second that <hes> Koi Leonard's decision to go to the clippers. We were all sitting here going like I loved what Utah did in free agency. I loved what Indiana didn't free agency. I love with so many teams did to in Brooklyn I love with so many teams to elevate themselves. If I had gone to the Lakers all that would have been for not but he did go to the clippers and I gotta tell you. I believe that now there are for the N._B._A.. Yeah they're like eight teams that have shot which admittedly for the last seven years it hasn't been that you knew exactly what was going to be in the finals last nine years ten year so so it would have been a disaster. If you went to the Lakers Kawais done he got. He got a rain wick. Dunkin resurrects the the Franchisor obviously it goes to Toronto folly gets over the winter championship but never by drink again candle statue the rather than going to the Lakers and collude forces with Lebron. Anthony Davis is not screw that in fact I'll take the crosstown rival or Matt's approved. You guys like that storyline Lakers versus clippers all season will be fascinating and then again I say don't sleep on Utah. Don't sleep on Indiana. Don't sleep on these teams. They're actually with the Golden State Warriors not being them the it is going to be a fascinating season hockey which I know you know being from Canada I think hockey's incredible in the playoffs as blues fans ourselves. It was amazing loser in last place January sixth and then they win the Stanley Cup in the first time in our history. If you have a great goal tender you can win. Series like eight yeah eight beat once twice it has your eights beat ones not the same in baseball. I I remember when the in two thousand six it was two thousand eleven when the cardinals went into Philadelphia and faced in a five game series arguably the three best pitchers of their time holiday Lee and WHO and call and coal house well. They'll call also all an Hamels or did they have hamels too. Yeah I mean it was an insane like there was no chance really they gave the cardinals no chance going into that series but it was a five game series you know anything I just think the wildcard in baseball and you can speak to this Adnan is that it just it allows for teams that are within striking distance of the wildcard in September teams that probably probably twenty thirty years ago but thirty years ago before the wildcard would've never eight games out of I so no hope to to win the division shot. If you just make it in you gotta shot the San Francisco giants monopoly for Seventeen Games at first place on the dodgers but through like four games up the second wildcard hey let's just rip off Game Win Streak which can happen in baseball and if enough other teams going to slip a little bit. Maybe we can move here and there that the I hear the the wild card for all the criticism Bud Selig takes the wildcard era is fantastic and it's perfect way this don't do anymore. Ten out of thirty is is makes regular season those meaningful every sport right M._B._A.. Hockey sixteen thirty N._F._l.. Twelve thirty make at baseball's the one with U._S.. Teams making it. Ten of thirty yet still feels rewarding awarding enough. I know some people say Walker should be best to three but I like it as one game man like it. It just feels balance that one game is perfect. Adding that second wildcard team in that one game is just yeah you're right. You're like you gotta do it again. The royals run a few years ago in two thousand doesn't fifteen there that sort of being down by eight or over many runs they were down and then to come back at the end. That was probably one of the most exciting things. Do you remember. This happened like if you years when we were record when we were filming I think it was two thousand eleven. We're filming <hes> the crazy last day of baseball where like Oh yeah raise home run home right yeah the raise and and you know the cardinals and the Baltimore Orioles had a hand in it at one point like everybody everybody had to win certain things to happen and they all happened on the last day to me. That is really what is exciting about baseball. I just I agree when you can get those races dealerships because otherwise right now the division races are pretty bad right we will that's up for grabs. It's the central Perte it's pretty bad. Everyone's bad but I'm like man you want this. You wanted to be within five games from I to last because you like you said an AK winning streak can like completely turn the turn it upside down in the division of say down with nobody wanting it. I had a question of circle back to your blues congratulating congratulated. I set my tweet when they want. I was so happy for you guys. It's an underrated hockey town one of the best logos by the way in sports that blue people mentioned the blues music. It's so good and I said this one is for Rick Mahar Yeah Janney any votes and then I started getting up. All these people mentioned like these other classic eighties. Somebody dropped. What was the goalie draw we did ED's Binsari are- endo reference? I always Vincent Randa was great. I mean again we we were like Terry Younger Bernie for Turco Wayne Badly for course might Crombie my Wayne Babich. Wayne Babich had like one year here. He's one of those guys who like Brady and yet like fifty four goals one year. You're like fifty four goal that that's that's incredible and you look back at those three years that hall had when we were in high school and you're like what he scored eighty five goals eighty two goals seventy. We go I mean he hasn't six eighty fifty goals and fifty games. We were at the game where he's had his fiftieth. Go On the fiftieth team in the truly was it is a great town. That loves loves their hockey. I mean loves her hockey. So is it was really an an exciting thing. Jay had the question for you. <hes> with how much we're seeing like you know the shift and obviously specialized pitchers coming into the later innings arena. I want to come up with a stat for like how many hits like Tony Gwynn and his three ninety two year had off the starting starting pitcher after the sixth-inning like that doesn't happen anymore right does he. I mean he was an unbelievable hitter. I think there should be a stat for that like do we never even see three fifty again. I is three fifty the new four hundred that's true I start looking at these different numbers the traditional stats change and then of course you've got these other stats and you figure what those me speaking of Tony Gwynn specifically I worked the camera was former player told me as good a hitter was never scared him and this is an awful thing to say the rest in peace but they said his nickname was three. Oh One oh and I said what does that mean. The allure the box score three at bats zero runs one zero R._B._I.. Yeah Tony Gwynn what gets you that one hip and he wasn't a critical factor. I don't I'd I'd have to look at the numbers specifically but it was like you know he wasn't necessarily a guy other teams were terrified of aiding but you get enough <unk> three thirty three hundred and away you go right <hes> speaking of the specialization it is true right because look at how much starting pitcher tails off the third time he faces the order or God forbid forthcoming faces the order right right. You're back then win already seeing the guy three times right John Tudor tee off and this guy because they've already seen him so many times so I think that definitely changes what I've found tricky is with those statistics that gets it just feels so an acronym now and you see home runs R._B._I.. Average ago but nobody's using these anymore it's always now opio. It's it's all it's all on Bass slugging P._S.. And I'm like when I'm watching a game now rather than that lower third the guy's name and then showing those the average home and Serbia. It should honestly be opie slugging P._S.. Asked rags when we're they're going through these notes and stuff. They never mentioned the guy's got lots of games. It's he's got an eight hundred. Yes so huge point about the numbers. We need to teach people. Hey listen okay three hundred hitter that the sixty o p p <hes> a good slugging percentage is four eighty a P._S.. Eight hundred and teach those people so then the average person okay I got just the way I knew home runs for two hundred dollars off season right and the idea that like yeah the guy might be hitting to sixty to me. I feel like that's the new league average whereas we were younger. It was like two eighty ninety was the first so if you hit over three hundred that was a good season now if you hit over three hundred you are inconsideration for the M._v._p.. That's the way it goes crazy. I mean many actors sit to me. A on base percentage on three hundred is unplayable actually got at least every night. I see a handful players each team. It like to ninety. The three are all the time. He said that's unplayable and yet these guys are all over Major League baseball. Yes unreal. It is crazy and it just shows that like yeah. They're still getting contracts one out although what you're starting to see now I saw a couple league games where guys are now hitting away from the shift. I really think there's going to be a huge sort of or there should at least bishop a hitting philosophy adaptation just like fielding adapted to hitters and tendencies you know when when Matt Carpenter bunted for a double which I think is the first time in the history of the game. That's happened when he bunted for a double. I was like why not happening. Nightly you know so mark to share. I worked at the course at E._S._P._N.. Longtime Gas Locker Baseball analyst he's going to they should outlaw the shift amid the analogy just like illegal defensive basketball. Why can't you change things? He said the way baseball is played. Is that certain guys being certain positions just like in basketball you couldn't have everybody in the front core the backward etc so he said especially what you guys are saying as far as the way Oh you're trainings when you play literally shift right so your whole life of course in college high school etc you're. You're playing baseball certain way. It's really hard. Everyone says why doesn't enjoy violence laid out a dude. How hard can that be like when you haven't done that for twenty years of your your career? It's completely obscene tack even think that way so or the point. Is that what you want. Do you really want the best players they gave. You really want Joey Galloway dropping on a bunt is that GonNa make you excited because no you want to see that guy swing to the fences and that's why the players there should be playing where they should yeah but what I would say what I would argue back to tax is here's the deal if you were to to lay down the bunt. You're saying you're just saying get over. There are get over there. I WanNa win this game at all costs us so Michael Jordan after when he was later in his career could not jump as high as he could. He just couldn't do the things that Michael Jordan could do in the late eighties and early ninety so what did he do. He developed a back to the basket. I'm GONNA kick my leg out and shoot a fadeaway that you can't camp block. Why because so he? He altered his game in that way the way that like guys in the N._B._A.. Pickup skills that help them in back to the basket stuff or a hook shot or whatever like those things to me I feel like should be you should teach it in baseball the ball to to be like you want to shift on me. I'm GONNA I'm going to be on base. I'M GONNA get on base and you talk about on base percentage here you go. I just dot com as percentage just by getting on base this way. We're going to do it every time until you stop shifting and when he stopped shifting that I'm going to swing for the fences I would I would just his love to see that fuzzy. Even though you're right you WANNA see joey gala swing as hard as again or cody bellinger swinging so hardy comes out of his shoes. Everybody wants to see that but also if you said if you're rooting for this team you WANNA see your team win and if this is Matt Carpenter standing on second base because he wanted the ball because they were stupid enough to put everybody on that side of the field then great man. I think a crowd goes crazy for something like that like it's it's like watch me outsmart you right now. It's strategy which again you know you talk about baseball. There's so much strategy strategy and again. If you do thing where you can steal first-base even oh my God to me. I'm old back to it. I'm here. Here's one reason why why the way not to outlets ships because what is the ship. What really is it? It's intelligent yea. Somebody said Hey this is smart thing we should do. This guy is always eating line drives dating back. Ted Williams shift well. Let's just Mubarak is the side so if you've got rid of the shift your associate denouncing intelligence you're saying grace bartered up to do a hey. Let's stop being as a small Cap Haitian. The reaction to the shift happened is well. It's like when when in college football when at team makes adjustments you know at halftime and then the other team has a chance by the fourth quarter to make adjustments on the adjustments Lloyd every every sporting basketball too when you play zone well if you have great shooters you just beat his own with the shooters or how do you break zone. You GotTa put a guy in the high post and you know what I mean. You get it in there and you start to say okay. We gotta figure this thing out. Syracuse zone like I remember when Michigan Shkin Played Syracuse in the tournament and they just they just parked Mitch mcgarry who didn't have great games leading up to point after at the elbow and he's like going through Bro because you're you're tall and you're open on the inside and then as soon as they started doing that their bags zone got soft so it's a way to I don't know we've just love to see that <hes> what do you make of the <hes> the we'll take a break after this and then we'll have you come back for a quick. It's if you can't what do you make of <hes> the early enter comments re Manfred like after the <hes> ah the all-star break during the Homerun Derby of all Oh my God I love because he's a great guy. He's a hall of Famer Easy Yeah exactly so he's got integrity and he's got a resume. When that guy speaks you're gonNA listen? He's got yeah. I did exactly look off the field. He's unbelievable. Guy's got respect. He's got the director of supermodel his resume. He's not quite gener level yet would just them like exactly but J._V. Listen. I give him credit taken his mind. Okay listen. Here's what I feel. What's going on right now? I think it's probably preferable if you say privately because if you really do believe that you can try to start movement or at least tell Tony Clark. Hey Talk to rob Manfred. This is what's going on but I think it was. It was absolutely espousing thousand a feeling that's felt by lottery players particularly pitchers. Something's going on with the ball but also like what Max Sherzer said. It was also a great guy. If you draw a favor I leave because he was like listen man. It's affecting all of us like I is it affecting me as a pitcher yet but it's also benefiting the hitters on our team as well. There are times that guy roles overall since aligned drive all sudden he's up to end the bat and it travels to be donated feet in Philadelphia. Hey we'll take the home run so I think it's tricky for Rod. What's he's supposed to say? I mean basically wants to the balls. Let us but maybe there's something on our not told his sure. I feel like if you think it's just launch angle exit. I would think that's probably naive right. Yes it is and then some people like well. The balls aren't travelling at historic rates. They're just getting up in over the wall in in certain areas where you thought thought that's like you said off the end of the bad wise that carrying as far as it's carrying it is better for the game but I do think you know what our guys supposed to do. If there is a shift on for them you gotTA swing for the one place where the shift can't beat you which is over. The Wall can't shift into the bleachers church so it's fascinating all right. Let's take a break when we come back <hes> and then virk with us <hes>. We're GONNA do some quick hits with him. Because a couple of things happened in the world sports you can stick around with us. I'm of course boys and welcome back to <hes> view from the cheap seats guesses Adnan virk <hes> <hes> Gretchen <unk> catch him onto zone is fantastic with our buddy Scott Rogowski. Let people know that's nightly during the season when it gives them the details on that yeah seven P._M.. To One A._M.. Monday through Friday rags seven to ten than nut totally locked and Lauren Gardner and got the late shift and then the cesspits brokerage you guys who are fantastic. They've got the ten PM to midnight shift of a weekend so obviously all the live look as you can handle. It's baseball love it because you never get bored because you call for one another and may arise as you guys. Both those screw around quite a bit. There's fun. There's an abundance of sticks addicts of entertaining. What I love is in? Here's the deal you can a hang with the funny. You can definitely riff in a great way but also because you had the E._s._p._N.. Experience because you came from you came up through the world sports. There is a level of this guy knows exactly what he's doing and you almost in a great way not as a statement because you're funny too but you allow rags to be rags and you you are great compliment it to him so I I would you know for those people who again sadly. I don't get a lot of my sports from E._S._p._N.. And more because it feels like a warehouse that has lots of things going on whereas when I wanna see the baseball stuff I watch your live. Look in show when WANNA catch the N._F._l.. Stuff I go to rich rich Eisen over on the N._F._l.. Network N._B._A. N._B._A.. So I mean that's the way we do it so anyway. Everybody go follow any catch it and follow me on twitter to your great twitter follow as well. No I appreciate fellows Adnan virk absolute radio as far as sports is changed right in the passion till okay. I'm GonNa Watch the Eleven PM sports and I'll get on my bed. It doesn't work that way now. Now you go to this so specialized now. Just baseball's become specialized sports viewing has become a specialized. I don't get time to wait for eleven P._M.. Or whatever the time has been sports there's going to be on. I just want to get my ten minute fix here here and there we looked at the numbers yesterday like People Watch for twelve minutes on average our show change if that's great if you're watching twelve minutes a baseball but that's pretty good I with rags. I think the worst thing you can do with comedians you guys don't as well is when people get competitive and and he's so funny. I'm not as funny as Sam so I'm happy to give them centerstage and as you said if I could offer equipment they're piece that's. I'm you know you guys are great. It makes it fun to watch that it again hearkens back to the days in in in the nineties when E._S._p._N.. Got Got it right not that they didn't get it right later but I felt like they put a clamp on what guys win their personalities and letting them go are no question it's Overman and Patrick. It can't have to overmatched right Scott Rich Eisen. It kept store Scottish two of them. You gotTa have the right balance. You're right exactly all right so listen. Let's talk about this. I don't love the idea of the mercy rule especially in pro sports but we might need to start employing this in the women's water polo. I don't know if you saw this. This was this they'd be Korean. Women were crushed by hungry at the World Water Polo Tournament Sixty four ten. Nothing guaranteed was hungry for a win south. Korea women suffered a record sixty four nothing to feed hungry hungry and water polo the quotes here add are unbelievable. A rampant hungry side buried the Hapless Koreans in an avalanche of goals thirty four in the first half thirty more after the break. I remember watching water polo in high school. We had good water polo teams that by the way that is a fun sport according to be a spectator at because there's a lot of scoring it's kind of like indoor soccer in the water kind of the opposite of our high school experience for there's a game doug. Kazan's courteous means a bit gambling guy. He played water poll at Brown so Ivy League school. He played waterfall airport he goes you know it's a lot more violent. You get beat up water polo. It is not the faint of heart I just I did not realize it's like hockey meets treading water and you who was supposed to be a start in water polo for Harvard Lori Loughlin kids yeah anywhere from kidding kidding full house right there right so their lack of experience told against the two time world champion Hungary and it took their <hes> beefier opponents beefier opponents which is that a weird veiled thing of is beefier opponents well seconds to take the lead and the penalty shot <hes> after it quickly became hard to follow the score as the goals poured in a rate of roughly one every thirty seconds in the thirty two minute match that was like Sam Adam sandlers all bit about the his impression of the in the Wilt Chamberlain one hundred point game the first impression of the coach of the other team at at halftime coach. He just pulls up his pants. It looks like art who's got will who's got all right. It's <hes> after after the game we told each other. We'll try and do better next time. Which I think is nice that was Song A._C._O.? Who <hes> registered her country's only effort on goal till South Korea's news agency after being on the wrong end of virtual cricket score she she added it was an honor to play team that we'd only watched on youtube well? That's your problem. Yes scouting these guys or get off a youtube and practice water polo bit more they were bigger and stronger than we thought well. They are the two world time champion you know twice at that point. Maybe just crowd the box. Put Three people in gold fouling right. I mean that's can we should we put a mercy rule. What do you think et Nancy? We put awardee forty. I think so I think in this commercial I mean I couldn't imagine what the coaches saying at the time right with the humped in thirty in the first APP and the early on IRC guys. We just need one get one. Hey let's go to the ball avalanche. I'm like imagining the South Korean team like swimming with floats your like yeah guys. Everybody put the kick boards aside all right. We got a beef in the world of competitive eating which is always fun. Kobe shoes nickname. He needs a new nick he needs. Does he have a nickname. Was It covy beef. It's not Kobe maybe he doesn't have any he needs a nickname that was actually a pretty good thirty for thirty about that stuff but <hes> the temperature tiger yeah. I got a long Kobe. He he is the other Kobe <hes> yeah and what about his conjecture sure that Joey Chestnut is creation of the American like Eating Association we met the Shea Brothers did ram. Weren't we in Coney Island. We did a whole thing for N._p._R.. With them yeah questions hotdog record Kobayashi has he's claiming aiming that zone speaking of zone these at a p zone eating competition that joey chestnut was throwing away the crust and not eating the hardest part okay now we're now. We got something adman. What are we going to do here? He's claiming. The hot dogs that he eats at there's no way someone can eat seventy four hotdogs and ten minutes. He's claiming that the his hot dogs were smaller. which is a size issue like you're hot? Dogs not as big as mine I mean my question is in you were at E._s._p._N.. I don't know if you ever cover working on fourth of July. When this I think came through but like do you what kind of regulations are we even? Do people even care but are there. What kind of regulations are there like? WHO's checking the dogs before they go in? It's amazing fellas two years ago E._S._p._N.. Actually asked me to call the event as you're kidding. They said No. You've got such great energy with celebrities off always sounds like a transient. I said there's no so my buddy Adam. Amin has called. I did the interview join chest though a couple of times and he also played sloppy stop. I don't think it was the same year as racks last couple years ago the health you do it. He was tell me his regiment sprays Joe. Chester is not a fat guy or Josh no fit the these guys are like marathon runners and he was telling me honestly I will make five miles a day and I do it all year round. No matter what I'm training I eat stuffing. Take my face the pig I have to really carefully watch my calorie intake otherwise I pollute and I said I got one question free chest up the one question. Everybody wants to know you go. How lethal is that bathroom experience? What's your staff to clear everybody? There's not enough poop poop ARY in the world to cover that he could he ends up going with once an hour like no kidding. Leave just to stay all right so an article came out <hes> saying that we are three years away from having <hes> at what does this advertiser patches on M._l._B. uniforms. What do you think about that? I mean it's like we see it in in the world of the N._B._A.. Johnny N._B._A.. Of English premier league soccer we could now be at the point where we're gonNA see advertiser patches and they're going to be giant billboards. How do you feel about that and again? We talked at the beginning of our whole conversation about the sanctity of the game the Applebee's angels of Anaheim come on yeah. It'll be a little bit odd but all of a sudden did you see stop and shop on the Yankees pinstripes decimal. Nobody beats the win with the wiz. Honestly I think it's discreet enough and SPA. Let's bring bringing revenue. I kept the fact the owners who ones Senate checks. They get as long as it's not to ostentatious. I'm probably okay people. Get you safe the boys spouting. I mean they're saying look. It's what they're saying. They can't put it on the sleep because that's not like on the chest. time-wise based on television broadcasts chess versus leave. There's a big difference so are. They said they pay more to be on the chest versus sleeve. I mean someone could have two things on I._B.. So great if like again Alice Marlins Orlands yeah the Seattle's mind but you've got like a really high paying company on the chess and then on this leave is basically Chico's bail bonds lower level kind of bad news bears type of the guy from my pillow the guy who won't drop his pillow. Oh yeah the my pillow guys unbelievable <hes> well listen we could. We didn't get to talk about robotic robot robotic hires. I mean what are we going to do with. Do you feel like that is is it do we go to it like we go to tennis like the cyclops I will say in tennis replay. That's the only place that works right federal federal by the way the greatest plan for might be still pissed. You lost joke which I thought that was a win. Man Almost thirty eight years old huge the first effort you know first of all tie-break at Wimbledon like Roger still almost one people Kim you lost to the fact that ended joke which was a credible back to the point of in Tennessee actually works right Rogers never get out of. He wants us because he's best just check the call. It didn't work. Let's go yeah but I think Tennessee. <music> actually works in baseball. Let's listen to cardinals. Come on Whitey Herzog. I love seeing guide screaming at Joe West Etcetera. I can't take robotic gun parts that to me makes no sense. I heard I heard a rod talk about it and he was just he was like absolutely not in no way shape or form is is something that we can accept. He's like listen. We give the umpires a lot of Greek. He's like they are underpaid. They are undervalued but I'm telling you they add the human element to this game. Look if you got a guy call low strikes all day. You know to throw the ball low. Oh it's a it's a strategy. It is yeah it's true by the way rags they were talking about this. They had this seminar. It'll be talking about discrimination. The Workplace Sarah can't do the umpires have been like okay. How about the names we get called on a daily basis job at this point umpires? Oh jokes about sexual orientation profanity's like dude thing here everything like what if you regulated that you can't use organ some I think those agreements you also can't spit in their face Robbie Alamar. Can't you can't do that <hes> well Adnan virk. Thank you so much. I love the you have. All the letters of our Co.. Host is what we said all the letters in your name of our co hosts Dan van Kirk dumb people town now. I love the show. Thank you for. <hes> letting US call you next time. If we're ever in the same city we can do it together. Let's do that too. I WANNA be in the celebrity softball game in that get in I listen. I talked to Eddie Perez. We talked for half an hour length after this year's game of course. He said they must presence. Tim Curtains Kit Jeff Coaching called him I by keeping him yeah jets gay but he's broadcast. He's a big morning. Shook US folks Families Works Vegas so in asked me for advice enlisted man the keys as you have to regulate your emotion. There could be like nine thousand nine home runs in this thing so you have to know when to really go banana. Don't push on the first one exact know exactly and I said it's all entity right to realize that games two hours Batali about forty two minutes berkow editing screw up don't worry about we'll host the exactly but I asked how was your girlfriend is. Dad was pretty focused because he really wanted to win. I said yeah there's a real real delineation. There's those who couldn't care less byles is they are those who are Gabor's like you all star. I'm here to kick some asked. I'm GonNa hit a home run. I'M GONNA make miles teller look bad I went to the cages exactly I for this thing and I know you play. I want in Lars Lars in right field. I love it close in wright-phillips. Make it happen at better. Call Saul Story <hes> what's here's a great better better call Saul Story <hes> so randy and I <hes> when we went into audition for the show we <hes> it was not a role for twins. It was a role for two guys just to you know funny but also can play the serious can play the role guys who own this music shop and <hes> raining. I got the audition we were going to read separately but then we realized hey if we come in and read together with the casting agent they will have our side of what the scenes gonNA look like. We'll be able to bring this to life in the way that other people who have to read one part art plus the casting agent plus than the and the Cassius reads the other part. They're not going to bring the scene to life in the same way and so we said okay. This is our shot. If we can bring this to life the right way we're going to get this role and it was auditioned on Wednesday flight a New Mexico Toco on on Friday and Odenkirk with someone we had known from the comedy scene here in L._A.. In the late nineties in doing the odenkirk story was this guy we knew it for from comedy then went into directing for awhile and then we wanNA show called the UN cabaret with him hanging out backstage Sharon L._A.. And this is right when breaking bad when he started on breaking bad and he's like maybe ten episodes into that and we said what are you doing man what's going on because we weren't watching the show yet but we had heard of it and he said I'm on this show. It's not a comedy sometimes. Sometimes I feel like I'm in over my head but it is yeah. I don't know if I can do this and he's like people pretty rabbit about the show I was like Oh yeah we know. The people are really said he's like here's the thing though having been a director for the last seven years it feels so good to show up and not worry about anything but doing my thing not worry about like and of course as he's gotten into Saul he's a producer on the show and like he's involved in on a deeper level but you know he really transition from being one of the top you talk about Mister Show right arguably no better sketch show in the history of television I would put it right up with S._N._l.. And Kids in the hall and perhaps it would it's the Best David Cross in him what they were able to do on that show he was the top of the comedy food chain and then he gets out directs as as he sort of raising his kids and whatnot and then steps into argue this television drama in the world and then fouls that up in another direction with the spinoff that is like where have you seen that maybe frazier maybe frazier off a cheers but I've never seen in in the <hes> in the drama world. has there been something like that where a guy has crossed over like that now and it's amazing and you guys know this comedian sick. It's always amazing amazing. How people seem astounded their literally dumbfounded how a comedian can be such a dramatic actor right from Jim Carey Terada Williams? I didn't know that Indian like well yeah. Man Comedy is hard communist hard because here's what we've done. Both we've been on law and order you've been on C._S._I.. We've been on <hes>. We've been on a bunch of drama shows and then we've done a ton of comedy as well. The difference with comedy is you have to play the truth of the scene and you have to be funny so you have to understand what the comedy is and dig into that comedy. It doesn't mean you have to play it funny. It just means you have to understand what's funny about it and you have to play it for that. In a drama seen you just have to play your characters objective. That's it you're not doing two things is at once. You're only doing one thing I mean Adam Adam McKay said at the best he was like that's another guy who's crossed over for the McKay who crossover from comedy and that was the thing he said just talk about directing. He's like if you gave who's he talking about. Somebody Ready. You said this in an artist he said like could soderbergh have directed anchorman now <hes> Chris Rock Chris Rock said because I could soderbergh if done anchorman no but sort of could have done vice you you know what I mean but advocates both so it tells you like the extra skill set. They got dude so nice visiting with you so nice chatting with you and again we'll be watching onto zone man rarely chase. They're kind of fun. Go Blues go cardinals right Teluk go to pick this up a little bit the world we'll we'll push harrowing like five games out or whatever in last place all right we'll talk to you. Thanks so much good care. Okay awesome phenomenal love it that was great. Adnan virk demand is golden. I love that dude and he does such a good job with rags. When we come back <hes> we got a voicemail very excited? 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Gabe Polsky and Alex Honnold

Cinephile: The Adnan Virk Movie Podcast

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Gabe Polsky and Alex Honnold

"My name is Lauren. I'm thirty three. I didn't want my identity to be the smoking mom my first experience with jewel. I do remember being like distance good. It's it's it's like a cigarette. But not I don't miss smoking. At all. Like, I can officially say it grosses me out jewel is the tobacco alternative that delivers nicotine satisfaction without cigarette. Asher lingering odor. Make the switch and J U L dot com slash sports. Warning. This product contains nicotine nicotine is an addictive chemical. These kids. Sinophile nNcholas cage, very sincere group of film enthusiasts. Who are proudly? Goodness, bady apparently read the wrong name. Sinophile? Ethan Hawke is like on the professional actor and direct for love. There's so much in this world. That's dividing us in music is one of those great tools freezes together. All right. There's baseball and World War Two. It's kind of a dream Sinophile. The Adnan Virk movie podcast. Dance I still recording. That would have been gold. Get a run. Great tabby with us here on sit up once again, I am your host Adnan Virk danced Antic past more in the big chairs along with us. I forgot to get a blurb your. That's why I'm trying to stall here for second alert tell you about this one. We're going to be reviewing this time. You're a mediocre one. Mr. Grinch, those expecting Cumberbatch to add a little doctor strange to his take on Dr Seuss will be sorely disappointed as this animated take on the Grinch berries. It's Kate audience. Under a blanket of bland, there's your blur. Peter Travers of Rolling Stone coming in hot. The Grinch is one of the boys. We will be reviewing this time instead of fought thanks as always for checking us out busy time as you got lots of movies to go through today. No lines, Dan. Although Ben lines playing a big part in the Senate, Bob because his friend gave Polsky who set him up with his wife at the canned film festival that Strobe revealed other documentaries called in search of greatness, Gabe is the director Ben is executive producer go to insert your greatness dot com to find out where you can find the documentary, which is one of the best. Of the year, an excellent films agape is going to join us and talk all about that. No lines din. Do we have an every man, Dan Stanic? Yes, we do. Excellent. And Rick pass or do we have an indefens- of? No. But I do have a review. Excellent. As always go to itunes and give us some love Eric movies at a former police, please rank them in five stars and leave a review I checked a recent review stinging rebuke of Rick Passmore's role on the podcast. But that's all right. Because you know, what when Ricky asked for a raise at some point go, listen, the razor is making zero money. I'm gonna go pass more. Unfortunately, this with this jobber over here said say who who's talking bleeding me. He said he likes me, he likes dance dance. All should be. Not everyone likes stands because he is the every man, so he's by nature. So we ever ever loves dancing. He likes Dan a lot. And he goes, I don't care for the identity phrase. I think he's a pompous attitude or a long winded stuff and Passmore. Yeah. Feel like I would be getting the pompous. I know one guys doing well written review with high falutin verb. And pass forces coming from the heart about like these schlock movies. He loves guys got very pompous grandeur like, wow grandiose. I'll put that on my resume. You'd better come in hot. Now at LA otherwise they're review today. I want to be especially grandiose to come back at this guy and see if he can upset him the screeners are still coming in. I've got eighth grade. Although my tire crew is seen eighth grade. So that's all right. I'll pass along some of the movies when I get them. I mean, I'm going to watch the myself, and then burn them in ever watched them again. But I have to go out to the movies, of course. And it's so good to see a movie in a theater, if you get that opportunity, especially when it's a small independent film, which may not get an all love or maybe because the Oscar consideration it will. And I'm talking about can you ever forgive me? That's a new film from Melissa McCarthy stars and Richard E grant who is seen stealing as her barfly. The story is this. It's based on the true story of Lee, Israel, who was a writer of some promise you had a couple of successful novels, but then wasn't able to publish anymore biographies, and what she was focused on. She couldn't get anybody. Interested. In and her agent had said to her listen your whole like let's make this clear. You're not a friendly person on a nice person. So even if you have a book, that's good or worthy. No one's interested in it. Either have to have an incredible subject, but you don't have or have to be a nice person, which you are not. So you can complain about John Grisham getting all these fees. But this is the way it's going to go. So she rather stumbles upon this idea, and the movie sets it up beautifully that she's one of these caustic cat women. You know what? I mean. This is not fun loving Melissa McCarthy. This is not warm and generous you normally see she is a crank who lives with her cat and his miserable. And one day. We'll do some research. She comes upon old letter from a famous author and realizes she hatches this plan of what if I forged letters from long dead authors, and then sold them for a price to memorabilia. So soon enough, and this is actually an example what a good writer. She is because she has to emulate these long dead writers by reading one of their notes or novels and trying to imagine what they would right. In the letter. But the plan goes while she sells it to one. Memorabilia collector gets hundreds of dollars cases, another one. And as so often happens whenever you're involved in any sort of crime. A once you get that once let's keep getting away with it. And so then, of course, the story knows you're eventually going to be win over your head, and you're gonna get caught, but the real strength the movie is McCarthy's performance because listen prior to this the best thing she's ever done was crapping in the sink in bridesmaids. And since then she's done a lot of movies where I think just kind of repetitive of her persona being big and bombastic, and now this is a real character while not giving up the humor because even though this is a drama and the headlines going to be Melissa McCarthy's going straight so to speak in terms of dramatic theater. But the characters still has humor to it. And because she's caustic as I said, she's got a real sarcastic bite in her line readings which I think is a comedian. She's able to deliver. And this isn't the first example of a comedic actor showing they can be dramatic actress Steve Corrales done Jim Carey's done it and so on and so forth. So as she's developing your plan. Meets up with her old friend, Richard E grant who if you're wondering who he is. He's only as actors you've seen these movies all the time. He was in Bram Stoker's Dracula. He was great in score says he's age of innocent platelet, Larry Leifer. It's he was an Elliot's story. I loved him with Steve Martin a real stretch of the early ninety s and he's one of those guys I said always pops up, but he's never had a role as big as this. And it was so good to see the movie because it's a real a showcase ninety for Melissa McCarthy. But also, Richard E grant and the first thing he comes in like, bam. You already got it. You know, he's he's this guy. Who's just looking to get after it. And the here of Melissa McCarthy is he said he becomes her barfly. Her confidante. He's the only one who knows about the scheme. He starts helping her with this game. And his performance is a real joy. And I'm really happy that it looks like she's not only gonna get nominee for best actress. But he is a really good chance at best supporting actor nomination. It's nice. When these actors have been acting for thirty years, they finally get nominated for the first time. So the strength of the movie is the performances the characters these if you wanted to the true story, I'm sure you can Google e Israel and find out what happened to her Tiber wrote a great review in the Boston Globe. He spoke of how New York now. It's so gentrified, and then you have to remember a time where people are moving out of Brooklyn, rather moving to Brooklyn. And this movie is a good reminder of nineteen Ninety-one me. It's because it's the return of that great movie archetype, the mean nasty New Yorker we haven't seen them in a while. Appears they don't exist anymore McCarthy really nails that Israel so check. Okay. Never forgive me. I'm giving it three and a half Maple Leafs. Mike Golic junior of all people after I saw the review also tweet the he really loved the movie as well. It's definitely up. Dan stands. Exactly. Yeah. Real quick on Melissa McCarthy, and forgive me, if I've asked you this before but had a little debate with some cousins and friends months ago. You know, how there's like a lesbian lists whatever. Celebrities. Where would you say Melissa McCarthy is I think she's A-List because she can open a movie her movies make millions and millions of dollars. If you give her a script to, you know, high concept comedy, boom, I said like be plus, but okay, I thought I think she's just if you just looked at sheerly the track record of remove all, right? Even when they stink. They do make a ton of money. I she has to try to dramatic chops before Saint Vincent as movie I liked a lot with Bill Murray. People keep saying it's the first time ever seen or dramatic way. Well, she actually did it before at Saint Vincent's a really good movie. But this is the first time as a lead role a secret for second way to recommend is what they had sounds familiar while Robert Forster's in it. He spoke about onset of foul. Hopefully, you can check out the interview having listened to it. But the movie is about a family dealing with Blythe Danner. She's the mother suffering from Alzheimer's, Robert Forster is the long suffering husband and Michael, Shannon. Hilary swank play the siblings were trying to figure out what the best recourse is for mom. So the story starts out with mom. Having an issue. She keeps leaving the house disappearing. So Michael Shannon plays the Duda. Full son. He's there in Chicago calling. Hilary swank the daughter to say going to come up here. I need help. We're going to think what to do. So Shannon, say we're going to confront Robert Forster put her in a home. Of course forced to the husband does not want to do that. All he has in his life is his wife. He can look after even though she's disappearing and clearly her condition is deteriorating. But he is very staunch and that he wants to be the one take care of her and the Hilary swank has caught in the middle. You've seen stories like this before in terms of Alzheimer's and family strife. But I thought it was particularly well done. The first two thirds is a great scene between Hilary swank, Michael Shannon, in which they're fighting the way siblings must do. And it's never an easy situation as to figure out what to do with parents. And even though it's a heavy watch. There were some moments of levity the along the way, even my my moment of disappointment those that the final third of the movie isn't as strong as the first two-thirds the first two thirds feel like a four maple leaf movie while those all classic kitchen sink dramas great cash Academy Award winning a Hilary swank Academy Award nominee, Michael, Shannon. I can't EMMY award nominee Robert Forster, Blythe Danner. Like, you've got this great actors really tearing their teeth in a really good script, which is Cobra. Written by Nicole hall of center, who's your really good writer and director. She did a movie I love with James Gandolfini and Julia Louis Dreyfuss called enough set. But the final third movie ends up letting excuse me, Elizabeth chomp co wrote the script I'm thinking about another film. But what ends up happening is that the story kind of. I don't want say it goes paint by numbers. But it actually it's the rare film that needed a little more length. You know, it's a it's a ninety three minute movie. It's the rim. We that probably should have been about two hours because the first third sets up what to do with mom, what to do with mom what to do with mom fighting between dad funding between son fighting between son and daughter that eventually the final third kind of ties up loose ends. I think in a movie like this. If you're going to tie up the nuts, which you probably have to have some resolution. I would have liked more time given before we got to that point. So it's the rarely that I think should be a little bit longer. However, I do recommend it primarily for the performances of why Michael, Shannon. Not nearly as psychotic is normally at this time playing more every man guy. I like, I said a dutiful son. But it's a good movie. I'm giving it three Maple Leafs router Forster's fantastic. I mean, God I. I just got him on the podcast because he was available and I wanna talk with Jackie Brown. But he was right. I know he was very price for the of the film. But he was right. What they has we worth watching. So hopefully, you can go check it out last week before we get to our interviews of gay Polsky a twin Bill here for you. If you will Orson Welles when the great filmmakers of all time, a new movie on Netflix and a new documentary on Netflix, which when you want I want the movie you want the documentary, go moving movies a disappointment. It's so misshapen in so unfocused so all over the place. I can't properly recommend it. Although Ryan Johnson the director. I saw just tweeted because it's one of the best movies. It's an absolute masterpiece. And you know, he directed on the Star Wars movies, and he was this should be seen for years to come. And I'm like, listen, maybe that's the opinion of director because they're so in love with Orson Welles, and there's moments of Wells' bravura, certainly and John Huston plays. The lead speaker Robert Forster, the if you listen to the Robert Forster interview here in Sinophile, he doesn't John Houston impression. Then go watch the other side of the wind because John Huston plays the lead role. So I had even more enjoyment from the film because. Picturing Robert Forster doing an impression of him and the best line the movies and John Huston. You the end says you can kiss my sweet ass, but the movie as I said a so misshapen because it's two stories. So the one stories about a director in the last Dave is life is he playing Orson Welles. Maybe that's John Huston, and he's got Peter bogdonovich there who's playing a young director who doesn't Prussians, and there's a female film critic is probably based on Pauline kale, and they're all Custer riding him and his final day of shooting and the other half the movie is the movie he's making which as the documentary makes clear is like an imitation or a parody of those European art house dramas that were so in vogue in that era like Antonioni film. And so the problem is that the stuff of the Houston and Bogdanovich and the Pauline kale s characters fine. Because as I said, it's it's watchable, and it's interesting, but then he cuts it up with seems to the movie, and the movie makes no sense. And I understand that's the point is that this director is making a movie, which is so ridiculous. And so trying hard to court that art house audience, but as a as a viewer, you just go this is this is just too all over the place. Like Rick pass for may take something from it. I think Ricky might enjoy it because it's on Netflix, and why not give it to watch. But the documentary is outstanding. It's one of my favorite movies of the year in my favorite talks. The it's so good and anybody who knows me knows how much I love documentaries are stories about the creative process. That's where the Larry Sandra Garry, shandling dachshunds me. I enjoyed so much injured apple, but this is about Orson Welles in his life, and particularly this film. And it's got one of the great titles of the year. The love me when I'm dead, which Peterberg Donald said Orson Welles said another actress has no he never said that just sounds like a good line to say, I like the fact Morgan Neville did a documentary and says, well, we're making a tunnel the movie, which I also want Dan stands it to say at my funeral when I get killed by a bus in a year. They'll love me when I'm dead. That was verse believe he said it every day of his life. He would say on the pocket. The love me when I'm dead shrew was the head of my tub, but Wells' stories amazing for those that don't know. Of course, he you know, he did citizen. Kane. He was twenty five years old. It's the Grassley of all time. But to think as a person wherever you are in life, whenever your occupation is if you peak at twenty five with the rest of your life must be when you're chasing. It's always like a drug actor chasing that high that you can never actually get again, if no chance of ever getting there and the studio the studios studios plural in Hollywood punished him for it. Because the fact he had a certain amount of chutzpah to them in a certain amount of arrogance to him. He was going to do things the way nobody else did. Okay. I'll get punished then magnificent Amerson, which is an excellent of family drama, very influential, Wes Anderson loves it, Royal Tenenbaums. He says is in very much impart based on his love for the magnificent, amber Sens, the studio re cut it because they did like wells as version of it and they massacre the movie ended up being his appointment years later wells was able to re cut it and that versions the one most people can see now. And it's a great film touch of evil is a great B-movie wells plays the villain it at the the opening shot. When I was at Ryerson, Billy nobles might great teacher. He was said something about great tracking shots and right away. Goodfellas obviously the COPA shot. He's a who. Here has seen touch of evil. And I'm like, oh, yeah. He's the first the first shot touch of evil's amazing, if you'll forgive the fact Charlton Heston is playing a Mexican in the way, which is a bit of a reach. But. Wells as the villain is amazing. Just as this corpulent sweaty sheriff is so or the movie, and the directing is awesome. So on the basis of those three movies wells is great. There's other moves f for fake and criterium released. In addition of that, they say they love there's other films of his that. Now, you know, if you look at it, I think over time people enjoy them more. But those are the ones that are major ones. So other side of the winds the movie he's trying to make in the late sixties? But he couldn't get any money. It's crazy. This guy is one of the great filmmakers of all time. He can't get mine to make this movie. He's got John Huston story, and you see clips from talking to reporters saying John Huston. It says if heaven exists I should definitely get admittance into the pearly gates because I gave John Huston the best role of his life. And this new movie called the other side of the wind, and they're like Orson is I could've played the role because it's based on a director. I could have done it. But I'm giving it to John as a gift to show. How magnanimous I am. And like, do you think this is the best meal you've ever made? He's no my next move is gonna be the next the best ever bake hit a funny guy good sense of humor and the documentary shows not only him filming. Way. But also talking about the reporters and agonizing over it and Peterberg Donna vici became a good friend of his who in his own right wasn't acclaimed director early in his career. But never matched that his best work is Elliott on the sopranos, but he never was able to match his work of those early movies and he directed, and he ends up becoming a good confidante of wells. And so again, if you have interest in movies are about the creative process if you have any interest in Orson Welles, you should definitely check out. The love me when I'm dead the documentary currently available on Netflix, along with the film the other side of the wind, and it's not solely about the making of it. There are certain sections of it. But there's a good job explaining Orson Welles is life may very torture family left. I didn't realize what hap- with his parents since the very interesting watch. I'm giving that for me beliefs. I'll give on the other side of the win to Maple Leafs. Just because it is interesting at times. But I don't think it's nearly the epic. We're all hoping for I lasted the Grinch peeling. Peter Travers is pretty much nailed it. I mean, it's fine. I'll give it to April Leafs. Good time waster contended kitchen app with the kids colorful, animation Benedict Cumberbatch fine FIS nine. Exactly Jim Carey, if you know, the story of the grant, you know, exactly what happens, and that's about it gave Polski now in search of greatness, check it out. In search of greatness dot com is where you can find where the best documentaries of the year. Find out where it's playing there you oddly enough it's titled in search of greatness, and it comes from documentary filmmaker Gabe Polsky conifer. Join us right now. It's in a found gave thank you so much for the time today. Yes. Think what I know first and foremost my boy cabbie the star. Because last Friday in Toronto, I'm filling in for Stephen a Smith, and Ben lines is frantic his we need to host in Toronto. I said my guide cabbies the best. It was going to go the documents screening anyways. And then he went and sought along with DJ Bennett. I hope it was a great crowd there in Toronto. He told me Mark Shapiro. Is there the Blue Jays vice-president, he talked a lot of analytics and creativity. Just tell me about that night back in my hometown. I. Yeah. It was cool. It was cool. You know, obviously, I was really excited to bring it to Toronto because you know, Gretzky, and, you know, just the whole country, and you know, it was it was great. And you know, the fact that surprise came was was interesting. I didn't know that he was in the crowd until you're until cabbie pointed it out, but he was he was very intrigued who's kind of scratching his head afterwards. And you know, it seemed like he was in some kind of deep saw. But yeah, he started talking about how. You know, that you know, basically superstars are kind of self evident. And you know, you don't really use data. There's it's you know, you can't really analyze that superstars. Right. But then he sort of talking about how the guys below that that, you know, you kinda need this data. He was saying to to kind of because the the difference is so small, and and you know, that you kind of have to look to the data to understand who's gonna kinda survive in the league. Basically, that's what he was saying. That's interesting. That would be his take on it because you're right. What part of it? And what's great about the documentaries that you picked guys in Wayne Gretzky, and Jerry Rice and Palay their the focus of the documentary of guys who do not look like superstar athletes at first glance. And what's most interesting about Gretzky? And you know, this haven't been you know, college hockey player at Yale. And I know this being Canadian knowing grassy stories. Well, as anybody is that when they do those strength and conditioning tests Gretzky was always last like it wasn't like he's middle of the road like on the Oilers terrible at doing pushups, he can do any of that stuff. And yet as he explains the documentary with skills, like, anticipation, and creativity and famously parking behind the net. He was off the charts. Just explain though. Though. I mean, I I'm sure, you know, this though, it's almost like a rule of thumb like the stronger, it it's strange, but you know, college I felt the same way. It's always the guys that were last in these tr straight tests that were the best players. It's it's it's really strange, you know, and and and the reason, you know, these guys are the guys that are less they rely on other skills. And and and like you were saying at this patient and just talent. But talent just like come out of the blue. It's that they were, you know, practicing those those particular skills, you know, creative skills, the the show manship all those things that that are just not, you know, within weights don't do anything for right? And it's always the opposite yet coaches there. So, you know, adamant that you, you know, prove your strength and conditioning, and this and that, you know, but it's not really the skills that you need necessarily. I mean, everybody needs a certain level. Base strength. You know? But yeah, that's that's a very it's a very interesting. Kind of fact, you know, one of the best things that your documentary teaches that you need to have creativity in sports, and there's way too much rigorous teaching being done almost it's far to discipline. Like Gretzky says, you know, I would just be out there skating, and just, you know, messing around playing Jenny and just learning things Jerry Rice again playground. Like, we need to do more of that stuff. It should be less structured less joining the kids heads, and particularly, you know, you think about what soccer, I guess pale. You could symbol. Yeah. Isn't that? What guys you're doing? But when you look at what these coaches are doing Gabe. And you know, this now firsthand from like, a fundamental youth level, it's so structured it's so regimented, and it's still year round the go WI with any of these kids want to play any of these sports because they turn them off so young by these coaches, and it's interesting when Gretzky mentioned that he had good coaches, he talks about his dad, and he said, well, how much did he know? And he goes he knew enough which is a really good way of saying that most dads. They know their kids in well enough. They can teach them enough, right? Exactly. I mean, you couldn't nail. They're kinda hit it on the head. I mean, you know, that that's sort of a problem with they're saying with USA soccer that everything's so regimented structured, and you know, really if you look at where all the town is coming from Brazil, and all these other places these are kids that are playing on the street and just messing around, and and really kind of developing their improvisational skills and showmanship, and and you know, all those little little skills that you get when you're just sort of messing around and playing one on one against somebody. It's not in drills. You know, that's not worth greatness comes from, you know. So it's it's just allowing kids. Enjoy the sport, and and experiment and fail and use their imagination and creativity. That's where greatness comes from. Now. You know? And so, you know, it seems like our society. Listen, I don't have kids of that age. So I'm not seeing it first hand I will because I just had one. But you know, from what I'm. I'm hearing and seeing in parents is that it's becoming insanely structured and the pressures are getting higher and higher and parents want to feel like they have control over this that they're doing the right thing. But they're looking in the wrong places. You know, and I think the more pressure you put the worst performance, you know, kids get turned off, you know, 'cause it's just it's just not fun. And and really greatness is about having fun. If you look at all, these athletes, they're they're they're they derive the most fun from from just playing, you know, what I'm saying. It's not being forced to do anything. We're talking with Gabe Polsky his documentaries called in search of greatness going to insert your greatness dot com and find out where you can see it's really worth the watch. Well, my favorite parts gave in this is such a cool direct to'real trick. You did is when Gretzky is getting miked up. You know, it's kind of soft focus, and you sub tunnel. What he's saying? And I don't know if it's you or somebody who's with you is asking the questions, and he goes, no, I'm better when I don't know the. Questions. I keep thinking about that. I thought that was so cool. You know, the people who are the most gifted I find in life. Maybe I'm making to a extrapolation can certainly research has to go into something and preparation is important. But people were off the cuff are best at that. What did you take just from that limit? Why did you included the documentary? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think what he said, basically, I asked him if he knew what the film was about even because you know, I spent you know, almost seven months just trying to get Gretzky, and, you know, talk with his management that I thought for sure he knew what it was about. And and you know, all that. Because why would he sit down with me, you know, he doesn't need to. So it was very surprising. When he said, I don't know anything. And I don't wanna know what it's about really before. He sat down and interviewed me. And it just shows that listen, you know, the more. He's basically I want to think about anything. So that that's kinda inside the mind, and it wasn't meant to necessarily being the Phil. But I felt that it really kind of brought you behind the scenes about how these guys think inside their head. That they you know, there's a level just sort of improvisation like you're saying off the cuff that makes not just the performance better. But you're not in in your head. You're you're you're in the moment, you know. And that's what the best performers can do. And they don't like they enjoy that moment. And they it has to be kind of natural spontaneous. Because that's when the best performance happens. Not when it sort of planned and rigid. You know, we you have to react in the moment. You can't you don't have time to think when you're playing, you know, and I think the same as with interviews. You should just sort of, you know, there's a level spun natives enjoy that when you know when somebody stomps or just, you know, there's a sense of naturalist to it. You know, right. It's why you appreciate that. I didn't tell you the questions. I was going to ask you, look how your flowing right in. Exactly. On something else about Gretzky. And he's got the tape typical Canadian humility, we all have we keep mentioning locks is assigned a great coaching. Glenn say there. It was the perfect timing which is true hockey at that time was very free wheeling he was surrounded by great players, messy, curry, etc. You could score eight two, and that was just a, you know, an average result any points out luck. And maybe today's game would be a lot harder as you. And I both know the game hockey's different not offensive is in years past. But greatness is always there and the case of Jerry Rice. I look at the numbers he'd put up, and I think a journalist is playing now, he even more ridiculous. He's the greatest wide receiver all time. He might be the greatest football player of all time. And yet is he says in the documentary. I was never the fastest. I was never the strongest. I was just a great route runner. I was so precise with my routes. And again, you can say lock hit Montana. He had young Bill Walsh. But greatness, decifit survive. Don't you think rice would even better in today's football? I agree. Totally agree. I mean, I. Yeah. I mean, clearly, I mean, listen, it's more offensive, you know, so he would just put up better numbers. But it's it's interesting that jury. You know, I always I listened in a lot of his interviews. And he just, you know, just I'm sure you agree with me. But he's always just talking about his work ethic and just that he just worked in work and work. But in the film, he does bring a different side were, you know, he he talks about how he just loves the, you know, the performing, and and and and you know, putting on the greatest show ever he talks about how he loves the way. He, you know, he paid a lot of attention to how he dresses and just just the showmanship creativity. You know, and he it came out in the film, but he just he loves to harp on just this work. I think we all know sort of. But I I guess he he just does not want to. What's the word? He doesn't wanna come off of that idea that he he just he just will not accept it. Anyone even worked close to heart as he did, you know? And I guess he just wants to keep hammering that home. You know? But, but he did Jerry was a beautiful athlete to watch. I mean, he didn't you know? Then those years just amazing things creatively on the football field. And it was just beautiful to watch and play you agree. Absolutely. And I think that you're right. He had that kind of elegance that transcends. What generation he'd playing? Speaking of allegance. I'm an enormous Roger Federer fan as anybody. Who knows? I'm wondering if you have any chance trying to get federal for the documentary and another guy cabinet texts about is Steph curry, speaking of a guy who's unassuming, and yet creative, and brilliant and a guy and he. Yeah. Feller curry? Yeah. So two things you know, fatter. I did talk to his manager a few times. And it just didn't you know, he he's sort of so focused during the siege. Season. And that they don't guys never stop. You know, that I just he just said it's just impossible basically to get his attention. So I tried you know, and then and so I tried to include included fatter, Michael Jordan. Serena news people I tried to really include them at creative ways. Because clearly I mean, listen fetters kind undeniably the greatest tennis player now. And you know, what he's just so he embodies the concepts of the film, the sort of beauty and creativity. And like you said elegance. And you know, as far as Steph curry is concerned, you know, I really kinda kept it a rule of thumb that I wanted kind of undeniably, the greatest of all time, and in the film, you know, like like rice and disposition Gretzky and and Pele so with with Steph curry, it's kinda he's clearly incredibly creative. And and really embodies themes in the film, but not not he's not the greatest yet. But I do appreciate what he's doing. And and think that he's he brought again a new dimension to the game. And and it's sort of used his weaknesses and just really was able to, you know, bring a new element to the game and be creative. And really, you know, selling outbuildings performing is he's he's a showman. He's he's unbelievable. He does things that you know, that you sort of double have to double take. You can't believe, you know, talking with Gabe Polsky is documentaries called in search of greatness going to insert greatness dot com to get all the details there curious game because just an interview because I love the fact, you know, you put yourself in the dock not obviously in a way like like, a more would say, but you hear your questions you can have. I I in Red Army. You're great documentary. You install Fatih Soffer going back and forth. Little, but he gives you the finger at one point you concluded that the movie was there ever a moment with rice or Gretzky or payload that you asked a question that maybe they didn't care for. But they just didn't know how to react. You're just come in different exchange. You expecting? Yeah. I mean, I'm I'm kind of a strange guy a little bit. You know, just my my nature is a little bit strange, and you bring that up. I mean, I when I started directing docks, I didn't necessarily want myself in there, and you know, sort of timid and shy didn't want, you know, to draw attention to myself. But then, you know, basically one day one of the editors I was working with at that time kinda try to couple interesting things, and you know, at first I was like this is no way like sound like it it is. And you know, I don't want us in there and was embarrassed. But then you know, I screened it. He said, you know, let's screen it. And then people started laughing and thought it was kind of funny and interesting. So I kind of realized that it just it makes it feel better so way, not just that. But like, you know, sometimes it's just the way people react to a question that that that sort of draws out something unique and interesting about that character, you know, and it's not. So you need the question in there as well to kind of illuminate this side of their character. And so I just started. Kinda allowing that to happen. A little bit more than people found it funny. I mean, a lot of times, you know, when I was a kid people thought, I was funny. I I didn't even think I was fun. You know, laugh at things I said, but I didn't even like wanted to be. I didn't try it for it to be funny. I it was just weird or you know, what I'm saying. I think people sometimes just realize that they're what like verte Herzog. It's it's kind of a funny example, like I think he's the most hilarious guy. And I've worked at them. And and spend time with them. I don't think he knows. He's funny. He doesn't think you know, what I'm saying. He doesn't think he's funny. But he just is. 'cause I don't know the way he sees. Thanks. So it's an interesting thing. Does that make sense it does? Now you've opened a can of worms with hose because grizzly man. I remember I thought it was hysterical. And my. Yes. Such a funny movie. Even though it's, you know, this story the subject line is terrified tell me about working with him because it's amazing to be. Yeah. I mean, it's it's just so interesting. Because he's just such a different guy. And like, you know, his viewpoint has porn, you know, the way he thinks about the world is so kind of different. And and and, you know, obviously wise in in a in a lot of ways and just super interesting. So like everything he does he. He does it with this sort of unique perspective, you know. So what do you sit down with them, and you know, have dinner, whatever hang out, you know, it's just super interesting. And and you know, I don't know weighs on you. Or, you know, allows you to kind of also see the world a little bit differently. It's just it's just a rich. The guy was so much experience. And then you know, has dealt with seen so much and his life. And and and and put himself in situations that you know, are super interesting. And that that that's why it's such a great storyteller. Because he he really. He really, you know has seen a lot because he's put himself in in those positions to see a lot, you know. So it's just it was awesome to work with him on on ballot tenant. And then he sort of you know, stayed we've stayed you know, friendly, and he's been kind of incredibly supportive to me the thing of a bad Lieutenant, and I love the the tell able original is that burn hers like city wasn't making a remake which I never understood. Why be call it bad the tenant? Yeah. I know. Well that was because he don't actually. Yeah. It's kinda like, I know. It sounds crazy. But like JAMES BOND, where it's just, you know, each one would be like a different, you know, just. It's kind of a similar character. But in different worlds different story. You know what I'm saying? And so you're not remaking the first one you're not like, you know, what I'm saying. No. It's just another story of of this guy this badly tenant. You know? Develop it, and like, you know, people. Well, what do you call? Yeah. I mean badly, but it's a different story. You know, right. It's going to be even Lieutenant he just gets really nasty it's against Costa different level of that. I you're great college hockey player at Yale. When you win the Academy Award for inserts of greatness, and we have ESPN and the hockey department is as you know, John buccigross, Steve Levy me and Linda Cohn can we get a game together. And if so if we're going to pick teams, can we just make it clear that you and I are on the same team that will be great. I'll just feed you the puck you stand in for the net. Are you? Are you pretty good? I'm decent. I, you know. I haven't skied in a long time. And as you know, the key has tell the everybody hockey is skating like, you know, everybody that I've ever met my life if they can actually play it's because they can skate and those that can't skate are no good. So my point in this is I used to be much better. But I can still skate. So in essence, I still got the wheels game. All right. Well, I'll I'll find you. Yeah. So that'll be fun. We'll have Melrose coaching or do you want? Melrose to play. What do you think it'd be more advantageous to us? I don't know. What's he like, he was tough guy? Right to say, you know, what we should it'd if it was you me, and Melrose would be good because you know, I can skate. I know you're the best player on the team. Melrose because I- chirp too much when I'm Chirpin boots. Your Levy, Melrose will come in and clean up the mess. Yeah. They'll be interesting. Yeah. Well, I I look forward to that. Have you ever come to use PM on the way? Seriously. I know I have never been there. No, you're gonna come seriously open invite whenever you want to come. You're gonna come because I know, obviously, your big awesome. Yeah. You've had these sports themed documentaries. Not only Red Army. But in search of greatness, go to insert of greatness dot com. And check out a terrific documentary. I know it's kind of Riverview Scott Feinberg, a high reporter semi message much. He loved it. One to have you on the pod. So great stuff man all the best. And I know Ben lines is always indentity because he met his wife. Mariah I believe the post party for Red Army. Is that right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he keeps telling me that store. I didn't really do that much. But yeah, we had a great partying Hannah was just. It was rocking and rolling on the on the water there, and there is all sorts of people there. I guess Ben ran into his future wife there. And so I guess he's always indebted to me. I think that's absolutely accurate. The great game Polsky. Thanks so much of the time. They a pleasure. All right. So that was Polski, Dan. Don't you think gave polcy interesting guy? Right. Yeah. You know, he's not trying to be funny. But people think he's funny. Very interesting the Kate different. Yeah. Because like I'm always shot into the cannon. And most people I feel like when they do these interviews there junkets interviews like when I liked the vitamins, he's kind of got a it's not a draw. But it's a deliberate style of speaking. Yeah. Definitely the opposite of you who talk you talk faster than anybody. I know. No. I think the fast, you don't know why she works in sports. And if you knew her, she's the fastest person. Vera passport is that is very he's unreal housing. Wow. But I do talk guy Greenies up there as well. We can also talk very fast. Yeah. Password. Would you take from Cape? Pulse. Could you have you seen Red Army? Have you seen in search of grains? Not I have not going to chance to watch either those. But I will I will definitely check out in surgery, and it's obviously being a sports guy. Yes. Can you DSP n I feel it might be required viewing for us. But I will definitely check it out. He seems to have his finger on the pulse from what I've seen from trailers and stuff like that. Yeah. Of really kind of. Breaking down especially nowadays. How sports have changed especially for youth? And that that's the one thing to me. It seems like how the the grates that we've talked about Gretzky in Jerry Rice and whatnot their preparation versus how the grades currently prepare and the different dynamic and generational changes of how sports evolved in who you deem is a great player. Yeah. Well, the best parts of the dock Gretzky says like as a kid he goes, I would just skate. I would just be just my now just set up in it. And I just I played like six hours. That's where I just I can't put this stuff on my own didn't have structure in have drills. And the point you make a preparation won't buy gave acid going over game planning goes. Oh, I don't know. I was I've played ping pong until six fifty five. I screwing around Goma guy like that. It's a Gretzky's like the the far example of a guy who clearly was just relying an instinct feels like I know he must Morgan art. We does not make it sound. Like he was looking at. All right. Patrick wa scouting reports. He's go, right. Let's do this. Can we talk about your hockey skills because we were talking here as you're selling yourself? This is great hockey. Are you good? I got I'm not the key is skating, and the I haven't skin is you're probably like happy Gilmour without the slapshot or the physicality is that fair not fair. And I'd be better than any of you. Then it's clearly I would destroy all of us already. I'm good. I've been ice skating. One time in my land. Dance is also not proficient skater. No, I'm actually banned for life from a in Syracuse way what happened. That's going to tell the story charges still pending statue of limitations van for life. Idell poll skill ever come up here that they Bucci garages legitimate, great hockey player. He's also in great shape as well. All right. One other interview here for you as big a sports again a sports theme documentary. Peter accident who had the pleasure meeting at Sundance reached out to me and said if you heard of free solo I I haven't heard of it. I can't wait to see this thing. And definitely want to see on the big screen, which I do not have the opportunity to do because time is tight as I watched it on my ipad. But seriously, if you have a chance to watch in the theater, the stories this, Alex Honolulu is a crazy, man. He's a mountain climber. He actually climbed El capitan in Yosemite, which is three thousand feet and free soloing for those at all done is that means you do without a rope cat was a part of the action Stephen Smith when we read them on Friday. In fact, and John Vilma was also part of the interview seal here Vilma in there as well. But Alex Hanell three solo is the documentary. He climbed a mountain, and he did it without a rope. He didn't have his fingernails and his feet and guts and guile. And here's the interview for your. Enjoyment free cell is they the doc if you're a smoker, you know, switching isn't easy. You've tried vapes. And e six they just didn't deliver the satisfaction. You expected jewel is different. It's not an e cigarette it's vapor product that actually satisfies plus Julie's simple to use. And there's no cigarette ash and no lingering odor as a smoker, you expect a certain nicotine experience right jewel delivers give jewelry. Try check out. J U L dot com slash sports. Switch NBC satisfied. Yes. You can do both. Warning. This product contains nicotine nicotine is an addictive chemical. Real pleasure. Walkman. Alex huddled who is an absolute animal. The movie is called free solar documentaries available in theaters everywhere. Now coming from National Geographic, and Alex is an absolute animal for this very reason. He climbed three thousand feet Al copy town in Yosemite national park without a rope. It's called free soloing, hence, the name of the doc is called free solo. And we welcome him. Now, Alex, I watched his documentary through my fingers. I was so terrified for you. How in the world? Did you do this? What in the world is the appeal of free soloing for you. I mean, it's a big question. I mean, free Soling sort of one aspect of climbing, and I've loved all kinds of climbing for the last twenty years, but I think that part of the appeal of resilience that it's just demands more from you it requires you to perform at a at a higher level some extent. So it's kind of a nice it's like a test of climbing. That's one thing to be to be attracted the idea of like you said, it's a real extreme level of climbing. But it's one thing to do it nothing to actually be filled. I have the idea of being filmed by Jimmy Chen and his team come about. Yes. The film. So they actually reach out to me Jimmy Chen and his co director his wife, actually, CHAI best. Really? They had just made the film, Mary, which is a great film nearing and an Tina and everybody respected their work as they approach me about making a film and as a professional climate huge opportunity. I was like that's great. And then it was me that that wanted to make it about. Okay. Mostly because you know, someone's gonna make a feature film by you should be about something significant. And to me, the only thing worth making a foam out was okay. And then the more the more practical side of it is that that as a professional climate. I mean, I have a lot of obligations to for sponsors. We're going to events and things like that. And an okay off with such a big challenge for me that I kind of needed an excuse to clear my schedule for awhile and making a feature film with something that I could take all my sponsors. And be like, oh, you know. I can't do any work for the next six months because I'm working on the movie. Smart, man. Yeah. Yeah. People talk about the motivations for the film. But I mean that kind of was one of the practical sides of those like, wow, this is a great cover to work on this big life project that I've been wanting to do forever. But it's like hard for me to get the time to work on a myself without some kind of good excuse, you know, when you were doing this. What was the most agonizing part or the most agonizing moment of the of the whole filming everything what was the most agonizing for. Well, the hardest part of the filming was definitely, you know, shooting interviews or shooting just like having the camera and all the time feeling like there's always something in your space a little bit. But but I think the when you're talking about the grind. I mean, the real grind with all the training like the physical training like I was going climbing all the time. I was doing extra ups, you know, fingertip pull ups and things core exercises, stretching all the basic body maintenance. But I think that with climbing is maybe a little bit more fun than than you know, other sports is because you're not like in a gym working hard. You're actually out in the mountains. Playing doing the thing that you love to do. But certainly I was very fatigued for very long time. And so, you know during the climb your fatigue. No, no, I'm saying like the six months, the six months, I mean because I was kind of preparing for two years at a time. But for the six months directly ahead of the actual free solo. I was going pretty hard. I was training maybe thirty five or forty hours a week, which is kind of a lot. I mean, there's a lot of hours of physical effort. Yeah. And you know, I was just hired a lot. How about the personal focus of the story as well showing you and your girlfriend you guys still together. Yeah. We're still together. Yeah. The relationship is great. You know, obviously making a film butter relationship as a little strain and the release of the film is, you know, been been experienced both of us, but another relationship with great, and we're living together in Vegas and things. Really good. We continue here with Alex hanalei on Sinophile. The Adnan Virk movie podcast. Alex, your personal relationship is examined in the film, and I loved how honest it was in the fact that you're very clear about the fact that nothing's gonna get in your way, it has that been a detriment to relationships, absolutely. It has because you can't have anything holding you back and there's been other mountain climbers. Who have said that you said, listen, a relationship will hold you back. You should probably be single and you do this. Because to put a fine point on it. You've seen people die how many people throughout the career melt climbing seeing it'd be good friends theirs. But you've seen die twenty thirty people on and how much does that affect you and your personal life? I mean, you had a tough question. I mean seen seen accidents in meet around climate accidents. I mean, it's definitely hard. But I mean, I actually kind of reject the idea that you have to distance yourself from from relationships in order to perform well. And I think that's that's one of the core elements of the film is is Sanni sort of my my girlfriend's Johnny pushing back on that whole idea in like, well, why why not have both why not have a good healthy relationship and still perform at a high level. And and I think that that's something that you sort of see through the course of the film is that the ultimate they I am able to do that. And and I think honestly is better for my life in general. I'm with you because I often hear people aspiring whether it's sportscasters are musicians or actors saying, well, I've gotta just focused on the music of the can't be held back. But I'm with you. I think a relationship helps to inspire one. I think it gives you more. Yeah. Fulfillment. Right. Yeah. I kind of agree. And I mean, just on a practical side and a lot of ways having a healthy stable relationship and makes the rest of your life so much more. I mean, yes, stabil-, I guess, you know, I find that. I eat better. And I sleep. Better in my training is more consistent. You know, basically, my life is healthier. And so I think that having having a good health relationship like helps in a lot of ways with performance a free solo in theaters nationwide. Couple more for you, the most gripping part, I thought it was when this show you going through the steps that you're on the rope. Obviously was you're practicing so to speak, and you got chalk, outlines, etc. And there's that one move. You gotta do and you say, well, if I- karate kick it that'll be effective. But if I miss it all die think about for anybody who there's nothing you can have in life to say, well, this is probably the practical way to do this. But if I miss it, I'm going to die. What can you just explain to me what your thought process has to operate with that? Because in the movie, you don't to the chronic wreck. No. I do the karate do. Are you do if you miss it? You're going to die. No, no knows. Maybe you confused. So there were two ways one of them is a jump or the karate kick. I mean, if you fail with the crazy kick, you you dial. So, but right, but the jump is a little more dramatic because if you jump, you know, basically why you're flying through the air. It's like you're going to die unless you catch with the karate kick, it feels a little bit less extreme. But but yeah, I mean when you as what I was thinking about that. I mean, the key is to do all the thinking while I'm hanging there with a rope, you know, to spend the preparation ahead of time. So that when I'm actually doing the climb. I'm not thinking about anything. I just execute. I just perform, you know, it's like, yeah. Like a gymnast doing their routine or something you just do it. And lastly, the exaltation the emotion like just seeing the smile in your face because if I may say, I don't think you're the most outgoing guy thinking, you kind of let everybody in, but you're focusing the job, and you're not the most you bullying, but that emotion like when you're finally you climbed a mountain, man. Like, he climbed to seventy what was that. Like, oh is it was amazing. I mean, you know, in the film. I was delighted I mean, you can see the big you can see. The big smile on my face on top. And honestly, I had that smile for you know, week or two at least and even now thinking about it. I started a small. I mean, it is it is a climb that. I'm very proud of. And and anytime, I think about it. It still makes me pretty happy. And certainly anytime I see the end of the film. I'm pretty heavy, and here's one of the thought to just the amount of suspense to this movie. Because if somebody says, well, Irena what happens I heard you talk to Alex, obviously. But, but when you called it off like I said, oh, man, like how much doubt was there to say, you know, what it's in the middle of the night. And you see Jimmy Johns reaction as call him up. It's not going to happen. Like, the you didn't. And they kept telling you, listen, you'll have to do any point. You can say, no, right. Yeah. And that's the thing with reselling is that really nobody wants you to do it. You know, I was the only person that wanted to to do this climb. Everybody else thought it seemed crazy in that. I probably shouldn't in this seem too risky or too dangerous. But. You know, I mean and free selling should be a personal choice. I mean because it is my life at risk. You know? I mean, it should I should be very confident with I feel comfortable with my choices. We have my adulation admiration not only for the climate also for lying Lewis cameras in there. Because as you bluntly said, you know, if I die and my friends see this that would be kind of weird. So Alison old free solo is the documentary. Check it out. Thanks so much, man. Every family. Obviously, I lead a charmed life yet. ESPN incredible family wonderful job in great friends. Like, the great Michael deepens Onny was in the house rare to have a guest review he wrote a few times. Yeah. Rob Linley reviewed a soccer movie. Mark Simon his favorite documentaries. Yep. Michael Juna recently, reviewed Mandy. But you're the first guy everybody having back for repeat appearance. So strong by Jake del moral killed his Godley review is great. But you're the only one ever brought back a second time because the thought of you was such odd fire. Yeah. Well, the floor was fantastic. And I absolutely loved it. But Dan, just a heads up. I'm coming in hot on this one. So get that bleep button ready. Like, I don't know. I might let a couple, thanks. So preface like I'm a venom fan. I grew up in Spiderman household I loved venom. I love Spiderman I loved everything about it. But I read the reasons movie I knew what was up, right? So I decided to get some candy to give me through this movie. But Adnan there are not enough milk duds in the world to get me through this movie. Again, like, I have somebody feeding them. Me like a Roman emperor. And I wouldn't go back the movie itself. Like, it's not funny. It's stilted. It's just chopped together. It's Eddie Brock is a journalist and give us whatever story there is to this thing. Okay. So Eddie Brock is a journalist. But he's like a bad boy, kind of journalist, I guess, and it's like an eighth graders view of journalism, right? Because the main thrust of the movie the reason he'd like the whole action starts is. He goes. And he interviews this guy would seem re-submit goodn- it. He's he's the has this like casual kind of sociopathic. That's amazing. And it's like a Silicon Valley, bro. The night off. But like the whole the whole reason it gets in trouble. Is he starts doing this? Gotcha interview with them as if it's like being broadcast live on the six o'clock news news, Tom Brokaw. But he's not like, it's just whatever. Okay. So it's just it's very bad. And Tom hardy is bad in this movie. I don't know how he's bad in a movie, but he is zero things happen. He has no plan much like the screen writers who wrote this movie, and I I would not sit through it again. And I love superhero movies. I love everything about them. And I would say from this one how many police you're giving this movie? So I I do movies. I've twenty eight scale baseball. This is this is this is. This is Bill Lawson wears applaud twenty eight scale this is he's the only one in our audience. This is straight twenty. I would never go see it. Again. The best part of this movie is the captain marvel trailer at the beginning. Last point here. Tom hardy is bad. What he's like, he's not funny. Oh, and I forgot to mention this venom. So I don't know if you know anything about comic, there's a whole my brother would know. But he probably would like. The Symbian has its own distinct personality detaches onto Eddie Brock, and they had this awful, laurel and hardy routine. It's like who's on first, except if it wasn't funny and about murder, and it's it's just really bad. And yeah, it was two hours. There's a slog is just poorly planned poorly put together, and it really just needs Spiderman. That's it. It's just the venom isn't a main driver. I guess good a supporting character. Yeah. In the comics. He's great. I mean avenue customer should stay in it. Yeah. I don't know. You're telling me the twenty two eighty scale from Mike Panzani. Thanks. Thank you. He's just an average man within average life came his appeal dictate that I'll read it. My alley before most flaming training. Dan, stands Ekeid's. I thought it was a little little much every mad. We really got update that open. I saw Randy the other day. All you wanna talk to you as Chappaquiddick, which I haven't seen. And then I said I wanted to get to the businessman, which is can you update some of these opens? But just when you see him next go. Hey, how about Chappaquiddick competition about that? And think they can get rid of my remain open. It's nauseating. Good plan. All right. He also big free solo guy. He loves that stuff. Big surprise memories. Strange thing. It doesn't work like I thought it did we are so bound by time by its order. But now, I'm not so sure I believe in beginnings and endings. Any other guest though, it's not the Mentone help arrival. Oh. Two thousand sixteen SCI fi film starring Amy Adams, Jeremy Renner and forest Whitaker, directed by French Canadian Denis Villeneuve Geneva of DO, Denise, okay? This guy. Didn't he Ville new? Is it Denise Avars? It. Denis Savard didn't even trying to get a rank. I got to say it again. And he didn't even knew didn't he Ville? Now. It's worse. Every time I need to say, I'm gonna point to you. And you're going to say, and he Villneuve who also did Sicario and most recently blade runner twenty forty nine. The film is set in present day centers around twelve alien spaceships that have landed in different places around the globe, Denise Villneuve and cinematographer Bradley young described the look they were going for as quote, dirty scifi to indicate that something like this could happen on any given day Adams plays a linguist who teaches communication at an unnamed college whose recruited by US Colonel played by Whittaker to figure out two things what they want and where they're from Adams is taken to an army compound set up next t the Alleyen vessel that landed in the United States more specifically. In Montana there. She works with a theoretical physicist. Played by Renner in communicating with the alliens who look nothing like any other aliens you've seen in movies and TV shows these aliens, look more like a couple of octopuses, but because they only have seven arms they're referred to as hep dapa. Trying to make sense of the hit the pods proves to be a growing process. Speaking words in decoding sound gets nowhere, but Adams and Renner make great strides with writing words on a whiteboard in deciphering pictograms spewed back at them. The seemingly nonstop work starts to take a physical and emotional toll on Adams. She needs boosters from the army doctors, and she starts seeing a string of Boll joyful and painful memories in the compound, there are video screens from the other eleven sites as the world appears to be working together to figure out what the alliens want. And if I remember correctly, one of your Canadian friends is in one of those scenes deep all AWali who also is in Mali's game with Aaron Sorkin. He's a terrific broadcaster. He was also in a rival. Okay. So the world's working together until they had the pods convey what most interpret as a threatening message. There is no unified response from the twelve sites aside from the fact that they all go off line and sees working together. Trying to want to use military force issue this ultimate him other nations prepared to follow suit. So it's a race against time for Adams to prove that something was simply lost in translation. As much as the film is about science fiction in alliens. It's really more about communication collaboration language and a new interpretation of time which elicits a quote from Albert Einstein distinction between the past present and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion. It's a movie that makes you think there are and drums terms like non zero sum game, which I'd never heard of and. This. And questions that are hard to answer. There is also classical music that's heavy on the violin. Andy classically pretty Amy Adams who was robbed of an Oscar nomination. I give the film four stars. And encourage everyone to see just loves Amy Adams, Amy Adams, and Anna Kendrick. Those are the wheelhouse of Dan stands what is non zero sum game? What does that mean? It's like where everybody can win zero-sum game is there's one winner and everybody else's a loser. A non zero sum game. The example that use on some site. I don't know if it's compete or not. But I was looking at the other day. It's like say it's like a husband and a wife the husband wants to go to a football game. The wife wants to go to the opera. The husband would rather go to the opera with his wife then go to the football game by himself. I don't know if I believe that. And the wife would rather go to the football game with the husband, then go to the opera by herself. So it's a Nazi both get something collaborate. I like Powell Jones I love that's where the word smelt the same way forward. What's your favorite? What is the flyers hockey eerie ladder was the defense? L A T A L N, Joel Otto, great hockey player. OTT? Oh, do you have like an actual word? Now. I just like those race car race cars at terrific found Rome on that note. Denise Ville arrival. Through much of this podcast. I've seen Danny was on his phone for a little bit. And then I saw a passport was immediately feverishly looking up the review. So what exactly did the guy say about you? Did you look at? Have I tunes, but I. Mike. I'm like, okay. I want to read more about this. I promise I will take criticism. Very well. And I take really really appointed. Harsh mean criticism. I liked that as well. Because I think it's humorous that someone's feels that strongly about what I do. I'll find it for. But go ahead give me a review anyway, no in defense of this week because I've kind of been very heavily sedated by red dead redemption to the new game out on the XBox. That's unsurprised. And I almost did it in defense of how cinematic video games are becoming but I decided against it because I just didn't feel like writing it because I spent so much time playing. However, I did get to go see bohemian rhapsody. Oh, in I max last week, which now up here, you can't see in an I max the Grinch is kind of taken over the IMAX theater, which is a shame far as I'm concerned. But. Let me start with the high points of the film because they're existent. But they're few and far between Rami Malik is brilliant. I believe you said you have them as like number one on gold derby to win the Oscar right now, I got a number three. I got Bradley Cooper at one. I've got mommy. Mom, getting a nomination. He'll get a nomination for. Sure. But there are times in the film when I'm thinking now, that's ready. Mercury. That's not an actor. That's tremendous the accurate plays. Brian May Gwilym Lee looks exactly like Brian May the actor that plays Roger Taylor. Ben hardy looks exactly like Roger Taylor circa the seventies and early eighties the soundtrack, obviously, it's Queen. It's fantastic. It's well used the sound design is amazing the Live Aid performance at the end of the film, though, surprised what it is. I can't really spoil it. It's thirty or forty years old almost. The they built the entire set. From scratch at Wembley. The stage is the actual stage. The crowd is CG in that's pretty blatant. Once you see the overhead shot, but the stage itself is the exact stage replica from Wembley Live Aid back in there in the eighties. That whole sequence is tremendous. I'm sitting in the theater about wanting to sing out loud. Like, I'm actually in the concert. It's such a good sound design and such a good sound mix. And it's almost replicated exactly from that Live Aid source, but I believe it's re recorded, and it's just it's a fun movie to watch. I'll give it that. It's it's a little long at almost two and a half hours. I want to say it's like to fifteen but that's about where the good ends. And it kind of plays a little bit with history. Create some revisionist history in the script, and you can see why Sasha baron. Cohen was not, Freddie. Mercury and Rami Malik was picked up to play the role. Because Brian May and Roger Taylor also executive producers on the film and definitely did not want to tell the true story because maybe to them the true story wasn't as fantastic and wasn't as dramatic as someone make it seem. But at the same time, there were a lot of just blatant inaccuracies within the film such as how Queen met and how Freddie Mercury got his start with the band. His aides reveal definitely didn't play out in real life. The way it played on the movie, in fact, it's actually chronologically inaccurate. It didn't happen when it happened and a lot of the drama. They built up was just false and made for drama. So when it comes to just making making something up just to have the storyline. I think it falters there. I but at the same time, I still think it's a fun movie to watch. I think Romney Malik performance is worthy of a star boost on its own. I give it to and a half at the end of the day. I think if you if you don't have as charismatic a lead as you do in Rami Malik, and even in even the other Queen performers, and Brian Willem Lee and Ben hardy, they're fun portrayals of those characters those people, I think it really falters. Even though you have such a fantastical band to begin with was such a storied history as Queen who created these great hits and one of the best parts in the movie as well. And we've seen it in the trailers, and it's not a spoiler because it's it's one of the big poster poster moments of the film is Mike Myers cameo as the fictional EMI. Record executive Alec Baldwin is this show the oddball then show now, which is great in the interview, Mike Marsh talk. But that he said they had to get him. Because of course, well, he me wraps. You is so critical in Wayne's world. And that's a song that Mike can play in Scarborough Ontario as going to believe games. So they said it was very tongue in cheek. They put him in there. But I was the the way a played out was fantastic. Because even the friends I was with I recognize you're right away. I've seen enough. Myers movies him in heavy makeup. The knows like, okay. That's Mike Myers. He's doing his British accent. You know? Okay. This is this is the part where they're trying to sell bohemian rhapsody to him. And it took them a minute to realize because he does a very good job like even in heavy makeup. Sometimes Mike Myers can just kind of disappear into the Easter of his disguise, but the the dialogue shared between him and Freddie Mercury and the rest of the band them trying to sell them on a night at the Oscars. Like, no, I want rock and roll. I don't want this. What is blaming wrath? What's a rap city? Ladies, actually, as an infringement is is like, it's an epic poem, and with all the bravado that you would think of Freddie, Murphy, which Freddie Mercury which actually wasn't, you know, again, another factual inaccuracy that he's not day. He wasn't as flamboyant and bravado of driven as he was on stage. He was much more shy and reclusive in real life. He definitely had a lot of insecurities. But he gets on there. And they're selling it, six minutes. It's too long. They'll never play it on the radio and all this goes on. And you know, we've seen it in the trailer. The joke about his wife thinking six minutes too long feels sorry for an all that stuff. But the one real catch joke of the of the whole exchange, again, you'll want something to kids can just crank the music up and bang their heads to and it's not gonna be book him hymning rep city, and of course, Mike Myers famously in Wayne's world cranked up the music and banged his head to bohemian rhapsody back in nineteen Ninety-one that feels a Queen fans way. Like it a lot. And we'll end with this on the next foul have reviews big Oscar movies here the favorites during MFL, Rachel vise. Barry Jenkins if Bill streak at talk Steve Carell, Timoteo shallow may beautiful boy and a Canadian movie called tiger. All that more coming up in the next podcast here. I do have the review this from hot lunch, man. Once again, go on I tunes and give us your view Iraq movies in a formula beliefs rank us in a five stars. And give us a review. Here's hot. Lunch ban. Love Adnan's interview style. 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Kershaws Collapse, Plus The Irishman and Joker With Adnan Virk | The Ryen Russillo Podcast

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Kershaws Collapse, Plus The Irishman and Joker With Adnan Virk | The Ryen Russillo Podcast

"Excited about today's Pau Adnan virk from zone my buddy back of the SPN in the gay and he is as you know a host of the no one zero the corporation TJ English the billion dollar whale book which I think we're GONNA have that author on is billion dollar sale Tom Right bad blood is John Kerry in Washington books are their biographies by Ron Cherno. Okay C. H. E. R. N. O. W. The book on Cuba not that I'm tough now but I definitely wasn't then and I was really insecure about it so I wore to t shirts underneath a sweater and check. ID's arrive pure water and no additives. Before I was a bartender I was adore guy and when I was a door guy at age nineteen I was really skinny and and that was us I feel like now I'm actually doing the shutting of the Blarney Stone Story Down Circa Nineteen Ninety nine I go yeah Goo which I think I always Kinda I'm really insecure about saying his last name but bad blood you already know about Theranos in that disaster of human being Elizabeth homes on the spot so as a good story I remember to always drink responsibly especially when you walk in the door and that was my good friend Brian Bernadette the owner of the podcast there's nothing there's nothing more political than a place called the Blarney stone where well you know what I'm GonNa leave all this stuff along we're gonna it just you guys keep asking about here's a tip when somebody says the name of the book and the author and the podcast you can just hit rewind and find out but instead inundated which one of the world's longest running distilleries Belvedere Vodka's the world's finest all natural vodka part of a six hundred year Polish vodka making tradition Belvedere is made with one percent pulse and that was the start of my bar career and there was never I don't think there was ever one fight in the place so I was good to go and there was a bunch of well respected Blarney stone in the early ninety s to mid nineties until it got shut down but a shut down for political reasons which I can get into on I appreciate your passion for history so let's make it a positive instead of me being negative and going why don't just rewind the podcast so before we do that WanNa let you know about Belvedere produced not a lot but he likes Pacino more than Deniro which I'm going to tell you I think more people would pick de Niro but maybe that's just me I'm also going to tell you the names of all the books Bruce Lee book is Matthew polly were trying to get him on but I haven't heard back from him so I'd love to churn out on but I'd be a little intimidated and we're GonNa have Nathan let you know that when the city of Burlington shuts down the bar wasn't because of commerce wasn't because a safety it was because of somebody needed to make a statement and we happen to be busy Jimmy Hoffa story and all that stuff so I knew he'd be on earlier than anybody else because he's huge Pacino guy instead of dinner he likes to narrow but was ninety nine definitely all right no one cares about this I wanna Talk Clayton Kershaw but before I do that I'm looking at my book shelves in front of Me Right now the eulogies s grant the first Wednesday after there was a supposed riot in burlington which wasn't really much of a riot ended up on CNN and councilman get freaked out and then they go we need to do something make examples how much people are asking that's really nice feels almost like a brag probably was I'm not GonNa make it I have family in town now and well no I shouldn't say that we're GonNa have Nathan Philbrick because I don't know I would think there'd be maybe a vineyard nantucket connection where he'd WanNa come on Mayflower is his best one I believe bunker let's talk about some things in general because today's open is about Clayton Kershaw now soccer guy over the years was probably the huge guys in the gym that all like me anyways they were like we know if it all goes down you're not going to be our one seed so you can just hang in the back and we've got you covered and there were rarely rarely any magin of Kawhi played for the raptors last year but halfway like January the clippers bottom get to play the rest of the year the raptors that seems impossible open but it's always a close game just it just is so we'll see Saturday night I on paper I feel like Lsu is a superior team but Florida's edge rush like well what are your qualifications and somebody walked up to the door and I just grabbed the ID from the person I looked at the person I looked at the idea I handed it back to him and waved him in I said see I can do this and I got a job hired the biggest roadblock from other people enjoying soccer because soccer guy made you feel like shit about anything with soccer you know and look if I watched soccer for years orders one year old birthday now's like yeah the more I thought about it the more I can't believe I'm not GonNa Baton Rouge too so I'm definitely having some foam O- on paper I don't think Florida is close and he brawls in those places anyway then later on I went back to college and went up to the bar owner and I said why haven't I gotten a Gig here and he was I would figure it all out I be able to figure out who was worth it in the free agency market even though it's not really free agency in Gaza purchase move around which is actually really exciting hill is the most recent one where we talk about Joseph Warren Doctor Joseph Warren Warren Tavern and in the hurricanes is also philbrick school not liking soccer. I've been over this before but baseball guy over the last few years has lapped soccer guy in making you not want to say people have actually said that turnouts best so you go you don't have to tweet at me or DM anymore is today's podcast good I dunno Lsu Florida yes I wish I were there I started like more and more and I started and not worry about soccer guide I think soccer guy went from like hey you're hanging out listening to my band that I like before assed Lsu they're better with trask than they are fully bay. Franks I actually left that Auburn game still thinking maybe Auburn was better but bonex just if Bonex is going to beat Alabama anything about baseball and that's you know I understand that covering baseball means you have to be borderline Stephen Hawking to understand or at least and depth the corner like there's some Florida's always going to have some guys on defense you would think and again I liked trask better than frank so I think it helps them offensively they've had and I'm reading Normandy forty four the new one and I think I'm going to pick up the Rockefeller Chernow book a have it staring at it right now but that's I wanna read this Rockefeller One because receiver step up tight ends pretty good but you know we'll see we'll see I am I gonNa be surprise if it's close Saturday night as Game Tiger Stadium no not at all but just on paper going into it You know when I looked at Auburn I was like you know I think they're the better team but I don't really know that trust Nixon the swamp there you go this one I feel like Lsu is just disappearing football team but we shall see hey ride when are you gonNa talk a little baseball it's the playoffs you know okay I'm going to do it right now. Things two thousand eight two relief appearances gave up a run and then in two thousand nine he had three starts are excuse me to starts where to run that's what baseball guy will let you think but game to dodgers nats to me is a prime example I just I stayed home it's all I wanted to do was watch that game I wanted he doesn't have it tonight whether it's velocity whether it's whatever's going on with him mentally which has to be a factor now with kershaw where it's just immediately you feel like you're out of the game live as if the definition of narrative is something that is being said about somebody that is untrue so I'm going to slap a narrative label on it when a lot of times when I hear people say that errative they're the people arguing against what's actually happening and that's the truth so if you look at all of the baseball numbers from Kershaw you could you could talk yourself into this not being as stupid and I know that that's not who kershaw is right now but WHO Kershaw wasn't game to with somebody who ends up with a quality start who's giving up warning track outs and line have loss to the cardinals and when you look at Kershaw's overall playoff numbers you can make an argument you know what not terrible right they're not see that matchup with Strasbourg against Kershaw I in the beginning of the Kershaw playoff thing was one of the few people going this is totally overblown and yeah you could go back those early and where we just basically talked about Paris when it looked like Paris was just loaded with everybody in the World Cup was a lot of fun 'cause I just love watching World Cup stuff and I've I've done a complete one eighty from thinking that I actually was thinking that day going if there's a tight spot because buehler's the better pitcher and Buehler's terrific and game five why were they and I have a well it's not really family it's it is it's my niece she's turning one so you gotta be there for the life changing moments in honesty my brother's like I can't believe you're not going to baton rouge instead of me but that's kind of some of the stuff that goes on and I'm sure if I spent a couple years watching it I could get it down and figure it out a really don't think it'd be hard but and I don't necessarily want to be that guy but ill opinion people over time usually have some expiration date because you just get sick of hearing from us right and the longer lives left and right so even though he retired a bunch of people in a row I don't look at the number I don't look at the box score there I look at the three plus hours I sat in front of a television go man I five runs and then he pitched in the fifth and sixth inning looks like here actually six days later against Philadelphia and he gave them a couple of runs it just it was obvious he doesn't have it and then he has the pitcher and dome which I think was eighty nine the Soto pitch the next pitch is like not even ninety we can talk about tipping not always on the same page but when I do my China NBA Daryl Morey Colin Kaepernick selfishness of just the human being in general segment when I do that as my open a weird things avenue rivalry games but that doesn't feel right and then as soon as the number came out in Florida Lsu it told you the Vegas Things Lsu's much better like to touchdown number plus on the that were anti what the fan base wanted or he's too close to the teams and starts disliking some of the coaches and players on a personal level and then all of a sudden all these different things. Look I'm not saying that I want to become else did too you know what I'm really psyched bands more popular now doesn't mean I'm going to be doing soccer segments here on the podcast I've done one I think ever and that was with Taylor twelve months so if it's tip pitches if it's his psyche of it's all these things that I'm going are they really going to bring Kershaw in this spot knowing that there's just probably something a little off every time he a columnist is working for a paper big paper in a tougher city the more often you'll hear people say like I hate that guy because eventually he just started coming up with theories and we all see that shot occurs Sean The dugout now Kershaw let's get this rule out of the way it's a little bit like the China opened that I did earlier this Strasberg's on the other side dealing right and I argue with some of you guys about this now look how many shutdown on-road look at look at all these different things and then of course what happens is we we start to use this word ever seen now I think it's okay to feel bad for millionaires now if we can't feel bad if we can't feel good for people can't feel bad for people really despicable I didn't think I needed to point that out for some of you apparently I did and in something that is not nearly as important as human rights in China it's how even want to put Kershaw in a high leverage situation if they're up knowing that they don't really have that carryover because again came to wasn't terrible take that mile now with a hundred fifty innings of playoff performance that we've seen from kershaw he gets the seventh he's out there in the eighth in it happens again for people that are more successful than us in one of my favorite things is is your financial adviser retired where's your realtors pool you know wiser therapist divorced so then he had a really good stretch in two thousand thirteen so he hasn't been in the postseason there for four years and then he has this really good stretch and all of a sudden he gets shelled in a blowout game week were most of you liked it I don't want all of you to like it I don't want everyone to agree with everything I'm saying the entire time it's kind of like a columnist that's in town for too long a tough city innings pitched one fifty eight hits one thirty maybe that's a better number than the four four three era in this guy was absolutely unhittable some of the strikeout walk numbers are just so the know what's going on well you know look if it's not the astros at the Red Sox of the two teams that are just consistently named is having a little bit more information than everybody else on what the other team is doing your sixty year old curmudgeon columnists that everybody in the city hates and thinks is rooting against the teams or I'd like to do is not have to hold everybody's hand most of you get this a few of you don't and that's okay because which is which always becomes this automatic thing where some guy starts getting roughed up it's happening with one of the Tampa Rays pitchers now against Houston and then when it's Houston everybody's like oh well Houston. OAC Bad as it seems but then he comes out and game five he gets out in the seventh he comes back out for the eighth I don't care about the lineup switch I don't care about a doubles I don't care about any of those things talk about it then none of us should have opinions on anything if you're not in political offices at meaning you can't criticize someone who is if you're not a writer and actor actress comedian what the Hell even doing here and then if you don't feel bad for him then there's always this thing where it's well you know how can you not have compassion for this guy you're like so as I look at the Kershaw story I don't know what to make of it I don't know why he's bad I hate it the left unbased stranded numbers media n that you can't say disapprove of this or I really like this I mean what the Hell redoing here if we can't criticize or be critical of or it could be compassionate Yeah Clayton Kershaw he was pretty good but let's talk with Adnan virk disowned coming up next getting into debt is easy getting out earlier this week and then I have a few you guys say yeah but does that mean you like China no no no no I thought we were all in agreement here this stuff going on in China op and again I was closer to Francona because I watched all those games all the time if he put a pitcher in a bad spot that could shake his confidence you've thought Francona would retire and I think for one of the best even based on what's a a good year for Clayton Kershaw but not a great year but a really good year by anybody else's standards I don't like even players that I'm not fond of I don't like when just because people can do things better than you or have a better resume on paper throughout their lives it doesn't mean that you can't still feel sorry for them but it also doesn't mean that you can't be critical of them the Lasi was shot and yes I know he's not the same guy is this just cyborg during his prime years but I don't know why an organization would even want to do this Francona would retire I'd when assessing your credit worthiness they actually reward you based on your education job history in the form of a smarter interest rate upstart makes fast simple and easy to check your rate and just a few I remember that feeling like wait a minute what you want how much down because I've got to pay my cable bill in Trenton New Jersey so upstart goes beyond the traditional credit score you're more than just your credit score upstart could've helped me and my first mortgage because you go into that you know you watch some of these mortgage commercials these these credit commercials where you go great players have these awful playoff performances because that's when everybody's watching that's what ended up being his legacy and they'll be a generation baseball fans telling younger kids that don't like baseball anymore in that where it's Kershaw's lack of versus other guys lack of rest and that's actually why he's bad he's just not who you'd expect in the playoffs and he's not he'd expect right now in two thousand nineteen are way worse than the playoffs the fly ball number worse in the playoffs the strikeout numbers look the same and like anything especially with baseball numbers if you WANNA package it and talk about his lack of rest because I've seen of debt is hard thankfully now there's upstart dot com the revolutionary lending platform that offers smarter interest rates to help you pay off high interest credit card debt because they know it all possible to have some decencies another human being to see somebody else going through something this bad because Kershaw is going through this bad and I still can't believe Roberts put him in the spot seeing him in game two realizing that free yourself from the burden of high interest credit card debt by consolidating everything into one monthly payment with upstart see upstart is ranked number one in their category with over three argue who are who should or shouldn't you know it's it's one of my favorite rules about like will you couldn't do it if the rules were that if you can't do what the famous guy is doing the no and that's why upstart has your back all right let's talk with Adnan I feel like you could have watched deniro she no throw cow Dung at each other for ninety minutes and you would have given it for maple leafs fair or not it is true that I am unknown tickets as you and I both know nobody's got time to go watch ten movies and seven days unless you're a college student or you're just taking time off work so essentially you're you're dropping four fifty being a rate only takes a few minutes and it won't affect your credit that's upstart dot com slash dual the not affecting your credit thing cannot be emphasized enough because I'm in the middle of going through go watch the Irish which I did which was spectacular and to your point about being biased I'll be honest before it started and this is the World Premiere Right Three PM showing did I feel about Kershaw and some of you guys do this thing and and it's like hey I feel bad for Kershaw why do you feel bad for him making thirty million okay is it it's once the loan is approved and accepted most people get their funds the very next business day the next day over three hundred thousand people have used up start to pay off credit cards and meet their financial goals when I read the book it's not my favorite you know Mafia American crime book that I've ever read Patty wack is probably as good as any I've read chilly biased in favor of Bob and Al Not just the fact that my kids are named acts the notch the fact that I revere them but I'm being completely honest right before the athletes even the best actress they all make mistakes like maybe this is just three and a half hours of self indulgent nonsense thankfully it was not it was epic and it lived up to the hype assessment started and you know I pay hundreds of dollars for the experience of watching it the New York Film Festival for 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L. to find out how low your upstart rate is checked working right now and somebody said hey do you want to Redo the lease and I said you know what I'm not going to do is do this again where just because I have an inquiry during the middle of a mortgage processing thing in houses which means you're killer and he's just kind of this guy you know he's kind of like a simple guy and then deniro place him because he's kind of like whenever demeanor Oh my God this is about to be like a flaming Deng of a movie like Mardi just lose his mind and they gave him you know Netflix earned sixty five million dollars and we know even the best before it started my producer does sit file with me describing apple podcast said don't go on twitter and that's why he goes well some reviews are already coming in and I said where frank is really nothing more than kind of a simple mercenary right yeah the reason why you both love being streetcars Pinero play kind of a clown in in the movie like mean streets is hilarious because he's such a clown in it and ochre because we I watched it last night and I I sent you a Texas mortar being like hey have you seen it yet as if you wouldn't have seen it immediately knowing that Deniro was in it and that's that's your world you sinophile got a buddy of mine actually my cousin actually text me 'cause I said I'm ready for the grass we've all the time and he goes well I would temper expectations only honest apart but part of me awesome the teamsters and the nation and to because you've read the book I think you'll appreciate the deprecates story okay yeah I don't want to do any spoilers because I also WanNa talk to you only seven at the New York Film Festival and in order to get opening night passes for it either pay four hundred fifty bucks and then you get tickets for ten of their movies or you know you can go to five is like no wait a minute later on this guy becomes like the man in every single scene so I'm is there a way to not give it away that you can talk about how Deniro portrays frank take the plug in there I'm just gonNA warn you ahead of time if you do a Richard Daij namedrop on this pod like you did his we're just GONNA put those at the end like movie credit is that right but it still you know it was still really interesting and it's in it's all first person kind of him and the paint houses line that's in one of the trailers about like that that you would often say with me subscribe unsubscribe and resubscribe again I appreciate okay there we go we got to win that's good that's good though never change so and you of course I have also read the book I heard you say now is is so it's Nice I mean spoiler for people but when I stayed you faithful to the telling of the book no since you're Komo recall the last time I did your I we know that's issue so I got cut off always telling the story of Racquet Coop Andy Cat and so I didn't actually get the I doesn't have much depth beneath the surface simply follows instructions he carries them out and he gets it done and there's no useless voting there's no emotion about it it's just the the accident he's the guy who follows instructions carries them out ruthlessly but he's relatively empathic and I think one of the best strength Deniro's performance if the fact that he shows that this he basically it's an unbelievable list of people that were interested in killing him and in the book it definitely plays out as a storyline where you go wow read it you understand that I remember when you never talking with the book you joked as me back the Deniro's playing the lead how frontier and the care if it comes across as like the ladies man simple mercenary he's a very passive character in his own life story and so the I respect you almost seems like this guy who's in the forefront of major events in American history almost story in there with the Kennedy family and by the time you've read a handful of different books read about Nixon you go is not who killed Kennedy trying to eliminate suspects I'm going man it's amazing they can't figure out who killed JFK guy and then you get older and you read a few books you read some on the Bay of pigs read the corporation by TJ English you also did Patty wack which also has bootlegging yeah we look out for the guy but he's just an idiot like he does a guy like that right you and your crew or that guy you never responsible clugston afoul so this time I have an issue in technical stuff I'm going to get it done I'm relying by the way on the Russillo army to keep my podcast afloat so sinophile apple letica character comes alive and you get to see what it what a good actor eat yeah when you read the Irishman to and it's always gonNA think back to like when costarring JFK came out as a kid rounded but in the case that Henry Hill he was all I I've never forgot that lot I think about it all the time and in the case of Frank Sheer and he was all is he was as you put it the end of the book that some that made the end of the book where you okay first of all let's put to bed this whole idea that Hoffa's underneath giant stadium and number two You know the the Kennedy acting styles I would say the film to be you know Pacino's really captivating in a way it hasn't been you know I think it's the best performance Donnie BRASCO which was nineteen ninety seven so a long time and as in the movie and he's much different than he was in Goodell's casino it's a much more quiet thoughtful roll your point about Genero yes he's much of a passive character except for I will say the final thirty minutes so I don't WanNa give any of that away but in the book there's a real connection where frank is basically saying like I don't want to exaggerate this which a lot of mobsters mobsters Louis podcast so we'll probably hear about that from him a bunch of different times that I wanNA talk joker I saw it last night and also the Irishman Book that I read you know how this is going to be in the book so I don't WanNa spoil anything for you except to say is tremendous I think you'll really like it For a couple of reasons one you really like American history and the stories about Ecuador says he did here is he kind of reigned in Pacino's excesses but still has what makes Pacino great which is that if you think of acting as outsized over the top he's going back out on these versions of stories that are just true in the sense of like you said what's the best baddest way to describe myself as crime ideal but there's a real Kennedy connection reliable so do I and Deniro played so well but in the character of frank you know I think Goodfellas the book is so good by Nicholas Belleci wise guy and there's early slide talks about Henry Hill lets you said he interviewed a lot of mobsters and he said one of the problems with these guys are so narcissistic and they're so obsessive themselves again you know how to read the book if you know anything but he was a blustery bellowing Guy Napoleon complex over the top you know and Pacino just knocks out of the park so in terms of the that'd be Pacino was over the top or playing points etc but I think Mike Mike Obama trying to do was trying to say listen lane to feed Gino's going to be over the top taught that you re watch a year ago that was what you then it'd be too like he's this guy who who can't pay back the money and tell us gonNA keep fronting for him because you know I think just as if he was working in a butcher shop nine to five and of course you got a great fire an ice when you have Chino and Deniro Together I know what he does somebody Miami guy and Jimmy Hoffa was outside of the top so it actually it's a really great melting of an actor and bitterly with some deficiency which is corporate case Jeff All right I want to I don't want to speak 'cause I know I only have thirty minutes with you I don't WanNa go thirty minutes on the Irishman so you loved it I'll check it out I'm obviously not going to do the thing where universe Z.. Makes you pay for the hockey tickets by also paying volleyball and field hockey and everything else would you saw the joker can say since you aren't La Bixia students theater I you know I really think you should go first because I know you're not gonNA this isn't one of those things where somebody's mind is going to be changed so I'm not I loved it it is the most polarizing film I WanNa like natural born killers people I know that there's probably a bunch of people right now that are mad that haven't seen it because it is fairly new in theaters and I should have said spoiler alert we're going to talk about this but I really think the only spoiling that you did was this is a depressed guy suffering from mental illness just becomes more depressed an accident with violence and all of a sudden feels some sort of released I never thought to me it worked as an impact unpleasant film experience and I like Dr do you know maybe I'll take a dark movie as much as anybody but I don't understand why this I think people are confusing nihilism with art look the taxi driver and I thought the first opening was very sean reminded me of this New York City of the past and the seventies where everything is depraved debauched but for me Silas well what did you think it was before you saw this movie like is this the first time in two thousand nineteen or like man melt mental illness is really really challenging worry you know at this point of Yellen spoiler all right so I'm GonNA disagree I love dark I think I think it's important that people still make movies like this ending I think the way that they told the story arc of his transformation from a guy that was disturbed in trying to find his way through life and then becoming fed up pigeon there's still really funny but Peter Boyle playing wizard talking to zero but like this movie is none of that the character arc right and to me the character starts because immediately people are like well it glorifies violence there's really not as much violence in this as you would have thought going in Oh it it takes a I guess a negative light on mental ill Michael and we should be more sensitive to it I think it's great that movies like this can exist I love that it's depressing the whole way through I liked it isn't a something that has some sort of happy exemple of beginning middle and liked it there isn't some ending that makes you have value on it I think what it does is it says kind of showy flamboyant performance viages award and always shouldn't I mean I get this movie in his performance is about as subtle sledgehammer the groin I mean it's always texted mannerisms can't Phoenix and I love to the movies which fills saying allies to which of course says he classics and taxi driver and King of comedy in the movies you know biggest wink to the audience in having these triggers and then realizing like you know what if I actually commit these bad acts as he says when he's at the mental institution the first time looking for his mother was filed talk to you like you're just want to know why you didn't like it so you go I sure so I went into it expecting the love it like I mean the trailers fantastic the posters great I love it all and he's like you know I didn't really intend really bother me all that much we see this the evolution of the character and then you know the one part that I was having a really hard to me even the bleakest film you have some moments of levity or some moments of Roman and I'll point to taxi driver you know that's a really dark movie but a lowly guy who suffers from in endures a journey and away we go we can laugh about movies like Robert McKee talking about adaptation of where characters end up but I really think that's true to me this is the line million more characters and less story just character character character and then it's all of a sudden I'm supposed to care about some robot with a crystal on his head and I'm like I'm not really feeling it they humanize okay we've done this joker thing a bunch of times how can we make it original how can we peer into this iconic comic book character and figure out the beginning is this interracial relationship and this doesn't make any and then you're like Oh okay this makes way more sense now so I liked it it is in the perfect it's not raining at all time he started dancing and we started playing Gary Glitter I so I think I'm good with this like I got it I really just didn't work for me at all man Okay I just think this movie is terrible and that no one should go see it so I don't I don't think he'd get away any storyline and let's be fair to him like the thirtieth time we're telling the joker fulfilled to me he's just cribbing from other movies and I'll give it some redeeming value in that what team can exist performance although I'll be honest with you people are saying Oscars to me this is exactly the because I always think like wants something could come huge and we're talking decades of joke material Batman Etcetera Etcetera when you can really go back and sell an origin hello this is playing talk show host by Jerry Lewis and it's clearly not having fun with it and as far as the separation the look of it Lawrence shares its Masako pretty that's when it becomes even more interesting I know there's always this battle about the marvel universe versus DC the reason the marvel characters have worked and I believe this and this is an original thought like Peter Parker was the every man the insecure high school kid that people could see themselves in and then he was also Spiderman Wolverine has like real issues with his history and he's a recluse he's probably depressed these all of these things which makes his overall character more interesting and is this vendors universes

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"My name is Lauren. I'm thirty three. I didn't want my identity to be the smoking mom my first experience with jewel. I do remember being like distance good. It's it's it's like a cigarette. But not I don't miss smoking. At all. Like, I can officially say it grosses me out jewel is the tobacco alternative that delivers nicotine satisfaction without cigarette. Asher lingering odor. Make the switch and J U L dot com slash sports. Warning. This product contains nicotine nicotine is an addictive chemical. This is the Stephen a Smith show podcast. It's great to have you with us here on ESPN radio. I'm Adnan Virk hanging out with my man, Jonathan Vilma. We are in for Stephen a Smith who is on location as you may have just sit on I take love seeing him. And max Mullen entire crew will Cain out there. Supporting our troops enforces classic. I'm going up love. The fact they're also worrying sunglasses, which is where I'd like to start with my friend Jonathan Vilma JV at what point can I start wearing sunglasses indoors? And you wouldn't think it's an odd thing. You wouldn't think to ask me, why are you wearing sunglasses? Well, you know, I'm surprised you haven't started wearing sunglasses already a you are pretty cool. You have your own podcast going. I don't even get to see you anymore. You over there in the new fancy studio over there for SPN. So I figured you still wear you come in and glasses. I just don't know. I get so I'd love to wear them all the time. But you know, when you walk as soon as you walk indoors out of the sun, I feel like there's about a twenty second buffer that you gotta take your sunglasses off before to think jerk. Or no jerk. Here's the thing. Just just continually add ten seconds about. Once a month. And then all of a sudden, you'll just be that guy. You'll be that cool guy cool guy. And I love this math. 'cause you're right JV, the walk from to get to my, you know, my cubicle to the students about five minutes. So the goal is to actually walk in the studio and have joy gallium. Jesse palmer. Thank this is nothing unusual. This is just this. Just Virk roll in here, this shades. Now, that's how it's going to be. I wanna talk to you about a lot of things and you're right. We never get to see each other anymore, which stinks because I love hanging out there. And even today we're joining forces on the show, we are not the same location. You're at our seaport studios in New York. I'm here in Bristol. But we got a ton to get to and at some point Jonathan Winthrop be very diligent producer went to the entire rundown. But there's no room here. I see for the hurricanes. We must give you at least a minute or. No, no there there. There's not to me. There doesn't need to be here. So well identify with the UN love. The fact you're such a blatant Homer with it. I want to give you at least a minute. Listen, if you want to vent, if you wanna cry if you want to get angry, whenever you will have already cried, I cry at home when no. Watching. That's why we go through all of our college football analysts, you Sekkei, which guy is the most distant from his alma mater, like Galloway in Ohio State or Palmer and Florida. Yeah. Matt Brown, Texas. We're like, okay. Who's the most into their school MCI? It's either Vilma or auto you always know those guys are bleeding for my show. I do I do a very I make I do a very subtle. You know, I I have my green oranges were playing Georgia Tech. You know, Chris Qatar? He's a Georgia Tech guy. So I'm gonna rep- quietly Miami Otto's a complete opposite. He wants to everybody know that he's repping Texas, good bad ugly. And you know, I'm trying not to do that a one because we stink. Too. Because when we do stink. Then it's not like, oh, well what's going on your team? I'm trying to get away from that. Because you know, I could be having a really good day. And then someone says I'll who's going to hurricanes, and it's I. Yeah. Exactly. You're you're number one reason was good. Now, they steak right now. We'll let you know when they get back the picture. It's Adnan Virk Jonathan Vilma. Stephen Smith show brought to you by Pennzoil synthetics taking synthetic motor oil performance to whole new level. Make the switch to Pennzoil synthetics today. I it's time for straight talk. Brought to you by straight talk wireless. Best phones. Best networks, no contract. Let's start here. JV with the Pittsburgh Steelers and their performance last night. You know, the early produce NFL season, I was transfixed as were so many by the chiefs. Instead of man, Mahomes is must see TV he goes Andy Reid again with these high flying offenses. He just knows pick these quarterbacks guy that you and I both saw at Texas Tech. And maybe you knew the upside I didn't realize he'd be this good. Because in the big twelve you never know what kind of defenses these teams face and the NFL's the different animal, but he's been amazing the patriots after a relatively slow start. They're back rolling. And now here come the Steelers and you start to say, okay. Three way race down the AFC. They knock off the Panthers who are six into team coming in. They manhandle and fifty two Twenty-one. Ben Rothlisberger at five touchdowns last night. Antonio Brown's six catches for ninety six yards. Again, the whole navy on bell James car situation a second. But are you with me that now the Steelers have rediscovered their Mojo, and they are an elite team in the AFC. I'm going to pump the brakes on that. And then the reason why is these Thursday night games? All have the same theme. You have teams that are traveling. And you have the defenses of these traveling teams are just flat out pathetic. You look at what happened the week prior with Oakland. It was a no show for Oakland. Carolina has a very good defense. Matter of fact, we know about Carolina Panthers because of Cam Newton and the defense. That's it that that is who they are. And for them to put on such a poor performance. You know, it's funny. I I watch and I said, yeah. Par for the course, this is just another bad Thursday night game. And you know, I'm hoping that at some point this gets a just a when I mean adjusted switches to a Friday game. So just it's just another day other than Thursday because the product is bad. A Carolina is a good team. A good defy. I like watching lewke clearly one of the best linebackers in the I love watching them. But when I see such a poor performance. No pass rush. Poor tackling busted assignments that tells me they're not ready. They're not ready. They weren't coached. They didn't have enough time to be coach physically or mentally. They're not ready. I don't wanna see a bad product being put out on Thursdays. There was a lot of questions. You're right JV. Not only the defense. Also, Eric read their safety was Jackson. The third corps for hitting Ross ruin the helmet. There's been so much of this conversation's the hell it's a helmet. What did you think of that hit? Specifically it looked worse live than when you saw the replay. So I understand why they sent bay objected him from the live action. It looked like oh man that was a bad hit. But all when you look at he kind of grazed over them. I know we're watching James CONNER here who he got hit and he's in concussion protocol. But it wasn't as bad as it may seem here. It comes right here. Live action. You're like, oh, man. You know that it's like, well, what's that? And then when? You really see it you slow it down. It's not that bad. It's not that bad. I expected you as a defensive got to say that. But I know you're being honest because it seems like the majority of these hits people sitting they go, it's not that bad. Why is the truth? The majority of the hits are not that bad. I understand the referees are airing on the side of caution. So if you think that you saw targeting helmet the helmet something that was flagrant throw the flag. And I get it because they're trying to get it out of the game. At some point. I hope though that they take an off season. And then they just like they do for holding penalties pass interference penalties. They make subjective interference to whether it should be a penalty or not a penalty. Or if you don't want to put subjectivity into it. Then then have varying levels of these targeting roughing passer type of penalties where it can be a five yard penalty. It could be ten yard penalty can be a fifteen yard penalty. Or in this case in? Section. But you know, it's it's really tough to watch the game. And every time for the militias ones that deserved to be penalizing the person objected to the really ticky tack ones. They're all having the same consequence. And it's very frustrating. Because I I never want to get to a point where I truly feel and believe that the referees are deciding game as opposed to the players. I could definitely sense your frustration. Obviously as a great linebacker, and you you've thrived off of so many of those hits over the medal and making guys pay. And all of a sudden if you take that away from guy, he's just feel neutered. Here's the question I half. And this is I've given this a lot of fought ratings are up, by the way, the NFL this year ten percent and lashed. We all knew but the gloom and doom and frustration or the anthem protests. And whatever the reasons were made the football just wasn't as good. But now football is back and part of the reason is I think the young quarterbacks and people love that storyline. JV go. Hey, check out with Patrick Mahomes is doing check out what Baker Mayfield is capable of doing check out. What whenever you see new faces? All sudden, obviously. The Rams are a great story with Goth is doing transcending what they already did last year and even better this year. Hey the saints and Brees quarterback driven league. We know that when you get young blood that helps, but whenever I say to people, listen, these these ticky tack places you call like it's so frustrating. It's annoying listed. Yeah. But you know, what the league is thrilled because offense cells and there's more offense this year. Even those plays are nauseating. And they are not the NFL that you played in the NFL that I recognized the legal be happy because more offense means more viewers. Do you buy that? So I do buy that. And you know to be to be very very direct about my thoughts on the rule changes affecting the or helping the offense effecting the defense. I one hundred percent agree with you. And that the young talent that is playing right now playing at a high level is really what's drawing people in it's drawing viewers in because I love to see as much as I respect Tom Brady played again. Them. The toughest quarterback. I ever went against. And when Peyton Manning was playing it's refreshing to hear about a Patrick Mahomes. It's refreshing to hear about a Jerry Goff. It's a it's refreshing. Because you're saying man, how many times can we talk about? How good Tom Brady is we all love and know Tom Brady is the best quarterback. But there's only so much that a viewer a new viewer wants to hear about Tom Brady. So I I like an appreciate that. I will say there's a big difference between good offensive play and offenses excelling because of poor defense. So when you watch the Rams, and you watch Kansas City that's good offensive play. And what I mean by that is good offense of play is. Route I play calling. We'll we'll we'll start there where it's very good play calling. They they have the defense on their heels where they know that the defense is gonna give eight in the box, and they give a play action and go over the top of them. They know that the defense is expecting a run or pass or screen or whatever it is. And they do the opposite and catch them off guard then from there, you watch the execution of these offenses so Patrick Mahomes. He's executing the receivers are executing that offense. Very well. And that's when Chris route running great line protection. You have great Arauz downfield. You have great decision making my Patrick Mahomes. You don't see them gaining tons and tons of yards because of poor tackling because of penalties that are ticky tack fouls. You see really good often. So I enjoy watching good offenses. I hate seeing the ticky tack calls that are giving offenses an extra down extra play. Or extra yards of so it no it's not the offense that I grew up watching and the game is not as physical but good offense is good offense. And of course, when I see bad defenses makes me wanna throw up Amen to that. Adnan Virk Jonathan Vilma infra Stephen a Smith today on ESPN radio and also an ESPN news. Let's talk further JV about Pittsburgh. So this lady on bell situation. The reason I I kind of chocolates like it's a reminder that, unfortunately, and are both optimistic happy people, but it's a reminder, sometimes life stinks labial. Balance says, you know, what I'm not going to report I'm gonna prove to these guys that I'm worth it. And when it comes to these contract situations. I am unanimously pro player, I'm always like, hey, go get some she actually running backs, right? These guys get used and devalued in their thirty and they're throwing the scrap heap. This guy port is the organization. I'm like, yeah. You wanna get paid get paid? I get that. You don't wanna sign your fourteen and a half million dollar franchise tender, and then what happens the Steelers don't even need. James Connors been terrific their offense. Still put up a ton of points. And now you're like, oh, but that's a good thing. Right. So this is get well hang, but doesn't it say on bell? Who by the way is expected back, but doesn't it say to the team? Hey, we didn't need you all along. Anyways. It should have been here since we want. And if you don't want to be here, we don't care anyways. No an because here. Here's the beauty of it lady on bell is still one of the top running backs in the NFL period. There is no disputing that. He is one of the top backs in the NFL. The other thing that he has going for him is that Todd Gurley just got paid somewhere around fifteen sixteen million a year. So the market is set for what the top running backs are to be paid. And so whether the Steelers want them or don't want them the fact that is someone does want him. I don't know who it is. But there are teams out say man, I would love to have on bell on my squad, and I will pay to have one of the top running backs on my team. So for him think he's been devalued baked by not being there and seeing how good Pittsburgh has been without him. He hasn't been devalued. But why would he be so answer? No. I don't think he's been devalued and out ask you, why would he be valued because I would say that James Connor is a good running back. He was a good running back. Pittsburgh. I mean, it's not like James is undrafted free agent. That didn't do anything would never produce. And all of a sudden, we're making him into a superstar, man. He was a good player. Yeah. I listen. I think bell may still have value in the open market. And you're right. He's obviously going to be valuable at some level. I don't know if he's gonna get the sixty million. He wants a Todd Gurley. He's getting I surely think Pittsburgh says listen, we're not gonna pay you because we feel like we've got James Connor who has you said is good. And I think been been better than advertise yet. And then why why would he not get paid market value for top running backs? It's like saying Aaron Rodgers before he signed his deal. And he let's say he made a stink about it. Right. And Aaron Rodgers makes oh, you know, what I'll give you a better example Brett farve is still playing well, and then he holds out and then. Aaron Rodgers comes in and lights it up. And then Brett Farr says. Yeah, since you guys don't need me. I'm gonna go somewhere else. And then the market all sudden says Brett Farr is not as valuable no way, he's still. He's still would be one of the best ones. That's why Minnesota went on a private jet to Mississippi to come back and bring him back for one more year to try to get into play. Because when you think about who the player is forget if he has value for the team anymore. But who the player is there are thirty one other teams are saying he is the top or one of the top players at his position, and he's supposed to be paid accordingly. They're just because the Steelers don't need them anymore. That doesn't mean that someone else doesn't I here's the only fear 'cause I do understand your point. But here's the only fear bell supposed to be coming back. Right. Think he's coming back now, otherwise he'd be dumped the whole year. So week lovey me showing up soon here. What if he comes back, and he's not nearly as effective these last few games? Then does it diminish his value once Pittsburgh and him partways? Okay. Well, define effective is not the same. On bell. We saw before. And he doesn't get as many carries. Here's the part of this, of course, should mention James Connor concussion protocol. So we don't know his status as much, but what if Connor and Beller both healthy, and they're now splitting time. So bell says, hey, I'm still averaging four and a half four point eight yards a carry. But the numbers overall are not as strong because you're not getting as many touches hurt him. Oh, I don't think that hurts them. What will hurt him, and my fear to be quite honest is if he comes back and remember, it was a very public dispute that the offensive lineman had Raymond foster Markey's pouncey, they had with them not showing up imagine if they don't block form imagine if they say, we're going to let this guy go and all of a sudden he's facing guys in the back. I'm dead serious. Because they're going to say, you think for I hear you're saying about sour, grapes and guys refreshed. You're absolutely right. They did black. But I was surprised how public about it. But you think they'd actually risks that in a game? So I'm not saying they would risk that I'm not, and I'm not saying that their intent is to go out there and let a guy loose and let let lady I'll get blown up. Right. What I'm saying is they were out to prove a point they as in the offense of line were out approval point that we do not need lady on Bill. So they've been blocking their tails off for James Connor and James CONNER has been the beneficiary of. Pissed off offensive line. That is showing lady I'm bell and the rest of the league, we can do it with or without him. So lady I'm Bill comes back in would they be blocking as hard? That's what I'm saying. We'll I'm not saying they're going to purposely miss an assignment right because they get paid to now then they just can't go around messing up and think they'll still have their job. But if they just all of a sudden get blown up themselves as one of the and gets blown up gets beat something happens, and they're not putting in the same effort. When lady I'm bell is in the game. That's where I'm going because I'm deathly afraid of later on Bell's return changing the culture that's been built over the season with Pittsburgh forget him as a player forget the Pittsburgh offensive line. We know how good they are. And what they're doing offensively. And Ben Rothlisberger is playing amazing. I'm talking about Levy on Bell's character. I'm talking about the offensive line's character. These are very outspoken. Guys. He's our alpha males who are at times can be very stubborn. And I don't know how they come back from it because something has to give either the offense of line is going to say, hey, man, we sell we said we agree to disagree. Let's move on or lady on bell comes back and says, hey, I heard what you guys said it is what it is. I'm here to play ball. If they don't do that. How are they going to how they going to gel? How are they going to mesh for the rest of the season of matter of fact, the most important time of the season? They're getting ready for playoff run. How is leaving on bell in that and the culture of the locker room going to remain the same a can't all that somebody gives in? I don't know if that happens while set because I'm with you that I was astonished at how blunt those guys were like, I understand there's dissension the locker, and we all know, listen, an offense defense times out on the same page within the units running backs receivers aren't getting along, etc. I was amazed those guys that they were like, hey, you know, what you don't wanna come back. We don't need you. We love James Connor. We love the deals like, wow. These are not mincing words. So I I. I think it'd be a Fasching situation would happen to Pittsburgh. If indeed bell does report if indeed Connors healthy, how they finished that might Thomas certainly has a lot in his hand another minute to go here before we go to break. I want to get in Dez Bryant and the saints your saints right now looking for medieval, especially after that performance last weekend against the Rams are good. The offense was Sean Payton talking smack Michael Thomas touchdown. But listen as great greatest Thomas has been they've been hurt by lack of depth the other receiver positions. How impactful think Dez can be very impactful? I look at what does has become and Dez will be a very very important piece. Not maybe not statistically, but very important piece as far as game planning when you talk about putting Dez Bryant and Michael Thomas on the same side. You talk about motioning Dez Bryant to one side. And then motioning Alvin Kamara out the backfield to the same side. You talk about putting chimera Michael Thomas on one. Side. You put Mark Ingram in a backfield. You let Dez Bryant stay on the backside by himself. I mean, there's so many ways that you can start to use them in utilize him. Because remember the issue was he's not a great route runner, and he couldn't be the number one corner man to man. So you don't have to deal with the number one corner. That's Michael Thomas asked to deal with that. Now, you don't have to worry about being a great route runner when you're in the slot because you can find the holes in his own, and you just need a beat a nickel corner. Who's usually the third. Second third best cover corner on the defense. So he has a lot of juice lev. Remember, he's got fresh legs. So he's got a lot of juice left where he can be the anquan Boldin for the nuance saints. Jonathan Vilma has got a lot of juice left to guy does get up. He's still a few and hot fire. We got plenty where coming up as ridicule. Join us next talk more. But the saints also wanna get into Marcus Peters that whole situation with the Rams, I love you. I love it smacktalk and back in love here. JV? That's what we're all about straight talk. 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Louis we get into the Steelers and saints and all the rest of in the second but Cowboys and eagles Sunday night and two teams that have been underwhelming and ways and then filled up. He's been okay just had some late collapses. But that huge win against the Jaguars in London and the Cowboys three and five Troy Aikman's now criticizing them. Jerry Jones is well aware of it. I am I am purposely setting forth coffin here for the Cowboys. I think they lose they lose badly. Louis the eagles rediscover their. Mojo. How do you handicap this game? I think it's organizations going in two different directions. Quite honestly. And I think the reason isn't necessarily because of personnel. I think is just the way that personnels utilized and physicians that they're put in from week to week Billy make it pretty simple. The eagles kind of know what they have they tried to play to their strengths. Not always perfect. But I think on off at the side of the ball. Doug knows exactly what he needs to do in order to get that offense going and they'll play their best befall over the next two months defensively. They know who they are. They know what their limitations are which are really in the back end of the secondary on the corners in that state, the particular. So they have to rely on the past Russia. They have to rely on foot quarterbacks under duress. They'll try and do that. So I think they're built do enough to win the division. Now that Washington is banked up. Dallas Dallas has some good personnel. Stand down on football field and watch Dallas plate live. You start on the defensive side of the ball is some fantastic first second and third level defender, Marcus Morris. One of the best players in the NFL. Dylan Smith is a fantastic linebacker. Byron Jones is a fantastic corner on offense. They had players that can obviously Zico who's ten tastic firms. The offense line isn't as good as it once was, but it's still good enough to be able to get you into second and manageable. And they have enough wide receiver weapons now that if they use them properly this football team should be better. So they're they're they're like two trains passing in the night, these organizations are, and I I'm with you look at the ball starts rolling against Ballas in this game. It's still he starts getting the cranked up. It could be an ugly ugly game. And that's unfortunate. Because I really don't. I don't think the talent disparities at wide. I just think Sophocles it's not even on this not even in the same. You know, it's not even the same zip code so Lewis, if if I'm hearing you correctly, the Dow you don't believe Dallas winning division Muslim won't make the playoffs where does the organization go. If that happens where do they go from there? I mean, you know, it'd be John, you know, that's always a great question. The organizational go wherever Jerry wants to go and most most more times than not usually goes right back to him. Which is I'm in control. I own this team. I paid for this team. I made his team into what it is. And I'll do what I want to do with this team. And quite honestly, what that more than likely ends up being is I wind up in many ways holding it back not because my intentions are bad. But because I just don't really want to let go and let this team really flourish. Like it in the early night though. That's interesting where where does he need to let go is it the operations does. He just need to be the figurehead so to speak and bring in a g a real GM, a real, president, etc. Etc. Yeah, I think it's just where he really has the. Who grew? Item of checks and balances that he really respects. Especially when it comes to the selection of a coach and a guy who's really the CEO the football team, quote, unquote, which is what everybody called the head coach. Right. So I think that's where really he starts to fall short. Look when when you draft is like a Marcus Lawrence and Zeke Elliott pretty good players now. I mean, he's not trusting guys can't play. It's then with the most important part of team building John is about how you developed and utilized guys. All the telling you want you to develop then and I'm talking about not only the only in the weight room, but the classroom how you correct them. How you actually teach them on the football field. I correct him on the football field. How you then teach them the next thing and then collapsed in constantly keep them on that right, developmental art. You're just gonna fall short, and I don't think ever since Jimmy Johnson has been there. I mean, it's kind of an every cities higher at some point in time. And he's had some coaches that have been there. He just doesn't let them really spread their wings. And do what they do best. Jimmy was the only one who could really do that. And even that's apart. You know, at some point in time, I at a certain point in time where he had to go he had to leave. So if he I think that's really where he has to reevaluate what he's doing as far as rounding out the football operations. And that that's a big part of it. I mean, that's not just grounding out of cooperation that is really the operation that is the most critical higher, and that's where he needs. I think to kind of go. Okay. Look. I need to get somebody who may have a bigger profile than me who may ask you though. A lot more football than me. And I'm willing to admit that he knows more football than me. And I'm willing to say, hey, look. Yeah. I built this pyre quite honestly, I'm not really the one who's running. This guy's running it. And I'm gonna let him run it the way he wants to. And I just don't I don't know if he'll ever do that. I don't know the guy, but from afar that I mean, not what it looks like he's doing I think that's where he may be holding his own team back. Talker. And now Louis Riddick. Adnan Virk and Jonathan Vilma in for Stephen a Smith on ESPN radio. JV were excuse me. Louis we're used to guys, you know, certainly talking trash that's part of the sport. But how about Marcus Peters throwing trash back at Sean Payton, do you? What was Sean Pean thrown shade on him? I don't think he was he was just saying we'd like to look to be Michael Thomas touchdown. But maybe I'm missing this because Marcus PM Shirley took offense to it. John talked about it on get up this morning this and it's come to that I've heard through the grapevine to showing and we'll get after players. He will kinda like he'll chirp. It dot TV is caught him a few different times coach with other with opposing players Jones back at him. And it's not because he hasn't said something. So I don't think that's yawned him to kind of challenge players on other teams. Whether it be purposely or kind of you know, like, you know, kinda trying to, you know, send them certain message messages through the media. What's interesting, though is look for as far as Marcus Peters is. Turned. It doesn't shock me at all. It's not back at him. Like, this anybody who knows Marcus is history. When he was again, he knows he's a very volatile player. He's a guy who doesn't hold back as many times to his detriment, which is probably ninety. I'd say the majority is large part of the reason why he's not in Kansas City anymore is because they grew tired of it and the talking didn't match up with the production and right now Marcus in Hollywood's production isn't matching up with this talking. Either Sean this is far as how he has his football team playing. So I think it's really cool, actually. And if he if he wants to meet him again, and then like you said a little bowl Gumbo. That'd be great. Oh, I can't wait. It's going to happen. It has to happen. I it's just too good for not to happen. They gotta see in the playoffs for that to happen. Again. What would you do Louis, if if you're you're playing let's go back to your playing days, and all of a sudden, you got torched, and then one of the coaches from the other team just starts jarring, or or, you know, this this talking trash you. What would you do? How would you react? Yeah. You know what? I mean. I'd be one of those people who. I don't know if I'd snap back at him like that. But I do know this. You know, we we know when we've been had we know when we've been exposed. And it really what this wasn't the first team that got after me anyway, right? Yeah. The Packers got after too. So I think with markets because you can talk all you want. I think really I like it back in the lab so to speak each Ellen my game. Banning people have been kind of abusing me, I'm number one quarter, so to speak at people been targeting me, like I'm some guys just got signed off the practice squad and has no business being out here. And if I if I had any which I do I think we all have some cried. And I think Marcus has to I think I really starting to teach am going. How can I get people off on facts? Okay. You wouldn't all of a sudden just snap. Back say something, you're probably regret. I I I may say something like, hey, you know, what? All right. We'll see what happens next time know something like that. You know, I mean. You know, how it is today? Right now, I know individuality is celebrated right. Hot takes her. Celebrate my hate that phrase. Okay. People love quotes people love one liners at barcus has some now. I know I look I know people in Kansas City where he was at. He's got some one liners. So don't be surprised if some more come out of his mouth as that game. Maybe comes back around again in those in that is going to be must see TV, you know. And that that would be much each actually that would be much she on the sidelines. If you can hear I love to hear. Oh, yeah. I I am canceling all ESPN activities. So I can get down there and be on the sideline for that game. Yeah. Must see audio and TV thanks to my man. You gotta guys that is Louis Riddick. He can see on a variety of NFL programming here on ESPN always brings a funder with this perspective as both a player and somebody who's been in the front office coming up next a little change your pace. We're going to talk to you the expression of climbing mountains, we'll talk to actually done that L capi ten a new seventy three thousand feet, he frees solo d-. That's right. A crazy story coming up next, Adnan Virk and Jonathan Vilma. Stephen they spent show on ESPN radio. Peter manning NYC makes clothes for that. Not so tall guy pants shorter. In seems shirts. 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It's called free soloing, hence, the name of the doc is called free solo. And we welcome him. Now, Alex seriously, I watch this documentary through my fingers. I was so terrified for you. How in the world did you do this? What in the world is the appeal of free soloing for you. I mean, it's a big question. I mean, free soloing and sort of one aspect of climbing, and I've loved all kinds of climbing for the last twenty years, but I think that part of the appeal of free sewing, it's just that it's just a man's more. From you requires you to perform at a higher level to some extent. So it's kind of a nice it's like a test of climbing. I guess. Passing the tests the whether. Yeah. Yeah. Sure, that's one thing to be to be attracted the idea of like you said, it's a real extreme level of climbing. But it's one thing to do it nothing to actually be filmed. How the idea of being filmed by Jimmy Chen and his team come about. Yes. The film, so they actually reach out to me Jimmy Chen, and his co-director his wife, actually CHAI really they had just made the film area. Which is a great film about mountaineering and seen it, and I really respected their work as they approach me about making a film, and as a professional climber. That's huge opportunity. I was like that's great. And then it was me that that wanted to make it about. Okay. Mostly because you know, someone's gonna make a feature film by you. It should be about something significant. And to me, the only thing worth making a film. I was okay. And then the more the more practical side of it is that that as a freshman climb. I mean, I have a lot of obligations to for sponsors to going to events and things like that. And okay with such a big challenge for me that I kind of needed an excuse to clear my schedule for a while and making a feature film with something that I could take all my sponsors. And be like, oh, you know, I can't do any work for the next six months 'cause I'm working on the movie. Man. Yeah. Yeah. People talking about the motivations for the film. But I mean that kind of was one of the practical sides of it. I was like, well, this is a great cover to work on this big life project that I've been wanting to do forever. But it's like hard for me to get the time to work on a myself without some kind of good excuse, you know, that that is really awesome. We were talking right before the commercial about this watching other athletes in their abilities. And I know that I go through when I was playing, you know, waking up in the grind. And that'd be like probably the most. On fun part right of sports. But when you were doing this, what was the most agonizing part or the most agonizing moment of the of the whole filming everything what was the most agonizing for. Well, the hardest part of the filming was definitely, you know, shooting interviews or shooting just like having the camera and all the time feeling like there's always something in your space a little bit. But but I think that when you're talking about the grind, I mean, the real grind with all the training like the physical training. And I think that it's maybe a little bit. Oh, it tell it. Tell us about that. Well, I mean some of it lie. Well, I mean, I mean, basically, it's an enormous volume of climbing. I was going climbing all the time I was doing extra pull ups fingertip pull ups and things core exercises, stretching all the basic body maintenance. But I think that with climbing it's maybe a little bit more fun than than you know, other sports is because you're not like INA Jim gym working hard. You're actually out in the mountains kind of playing like doing the thing that you love to do. But certainly I was very fatigued for very long time. And so, you know during the climb your fatigue. No, no, I'm saying like the six months the six months because I was kind of preparing for two years at a time. But for the six months directly ahead of the actual free solo. I was going pretty hard. I was training maybe thirty five or forty hours a week, which is kind of a lot. I mean, there's a lot of hours of physical effort. Yeah. And you know was just hired a lot. So part part of it would be actually going and just continually climbing climate. Yes. Oh, reselling when no not always reselling most of the climbing with a rope. I mean, the idea was to give physical prepares, but I could do the one gray for so. And I did several other you when you see the film. There are a bunch of practice climbs and other things that are also very challenging. But, but we're sort of stepping stones tour doco, but most of them preparations done with a rope. Because when you're when you're training, you wanna push the failure. And, you know, clearly, if you push the failure, while free sewing many dies. I wouldn't be able to shower. Cool, man. So what's your next month? What's going to be the next one? No. Honestly, I don't know. I mean, we'll be free soloing again. Or with a rope. I mean, I'm sure that oh free solo more in my life. I don't know if there's anything as big as inspiring, his, okay? And so I wouldn't be surprised if I never take on anything quite to that scale. Again, a really is one of the most striking conic majestic walls in the world. Like, there's just nothing quite like. Okay. So we'll see right now. I'm sort of trying to focus more on the physical side of climbing again more on just training trying to climb harder as but with a rope got and say, hey, and he's still there. I know it kind of took over you. I love it. You're still Alice. You should be so thrilled Jonathan as even seen the document. And he's. Intrigued I'm interested. I will send them the link after this in fact, this so well, we're going to steal Alex for a little bit longer as renegade continue at the top the him just about twenty to twenty five seconds shocks. And I promise we'll continue this. How about the personal focus of the story as well showing you and your girlfriend you guys still together. Yeah. We're still together. Relationship is great. You know, obviously making a film better relationship as a little strain and the release the film is, you know, been been experience for both of us been other relationships grade, and we're living together in Vegas, and and things are really good. All right. More of Alex in Honolulu. Hal, Hal, he became this mountain climber who still maintains a relationship, plus the NFL hall of Famer Jerry Rice are gonna join us the top there. He's gonna great documents you out his well, Adnan Virk Jonathan Vilma. Stephen a Smith show on ESPN radio. 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John Ourand

"Welcome to the sports media podcast. I'm your host, Richard Daij. My producers always is loophole Reno. And I guess this week is a familiar one. It is sports business daily media reported John or actually coma. Guesses. Just weird. Like, this would be just a conversation. John. Of course is a longtime guest of this is actually he's like, America's guests. Now when it comes to sports media podcasts. I see him on every podcast at this point. But he has been a longtime regular of this podcast. And we welcome him back. John good to hear from you will travel. We'll Richard is rating on this? I mean, it's just like a mature audiences only. It's been getting kind of blue recently. I will say this, John as you know, at least the people who listen to this podcast. No, Jim Miller was on a couple of weeks ago dropped the f bomb within the first thirty seconds of that podcast, and my God, the reaction to that was unbelievable not just in downloads. But in in in. People reaching out. So yeah, John if you I feel like there's a correlation between f bombs and my download so if you could drop a couple of fucks in this podcast. I really really Lou. And I would appreciate it. We'll darning. We'll be able to pay our rent. All right. So let's start off John with I wanna start off with the NBA because you did a piece. I don't know if it was this. We're taping on Wednesday Thursday. I don't know who's this week or last week, but the NBA's ratings are down this year. But what not only nationally, but what's really interesting is the regional sports networks, and I think this can this is your story. They dropped ten percent on average at the all-star break. And which really jarring. I mean, it's it's it's sort of obvious. But yet to see it remains jarring just how far down Knicks games are New York. Forty one percent on the network bulls games are on NBC sports, Chicago thirty six percent. And this was a surprise Celtics games down on NBC sports, Boston twenty seven percent when you have those big markets down. You're obviously going to be down for the year. So let's start there. John just sort of top line thoughts on what's going on with them. NBA viewership. Well, the the with the NBA viewership is, you know, whenever we do the N ratings some are up summer down. And in fact, more regional sports networks were the NBA games on regional sports networks this season are actually up, but the markets that you mentioned Chicago New York, you know, the the whole Boston market those drop offs are so dramatic. I mean, forty one percent is a big drop off in in viewership that you can't just take look at and say like, oh, well, that's just 'cause they're they're not playing. Well, they haven't played the next played well in how long right and the same thing for the bulls. I mean, they haven't been competitive in in a long time. And these are just dramatic drop off said, you know, that just they really made me sort of opened my eyes. I mean, it it's a it's wild to say. So do you do you have any theories beyond the play on the court? You know, the Knicks are bad. But and maybe even historically bad this year. But forty one percent is massive Chicago, some they do have some young talent. Again, they're not having a good year, but feel like potentially hope on the horizon, I think the one that sort of stunned me John is Boston. And while they might not be the juggernaut people thought with kyri and Gordon Hayward Tatum excetera for them to be down more than twenty five percent was kind of stunning to me that I think of all of the ones that really surprised me. It wasn't New Yorker Chicago. It was Boston. What Boston is generally not a very likeable team right now. And I think that the fans haven't taken to them. But but even even saying that like you said more than twenty five percent is a huge drop off of for a year year over year. Look at things I just think in the in the markets that we just mentioned are all in the east, and I just think all of the storylines in the NBA. Have really kinda gone out west, and you know, along with LeBron James that the better team the better teams out west a lot of the ratings are doing a better out west than in the east. And I just think like they're these look I'm in DC the ratings in DC or down fifteen percent and other than Bradley Beal, you kinda don't even do you don't even know who's on the court playing anymore. And I think that's the same case in Chicago. I think that's the same case in New York. I mean, they traded their their sort of, you know, highest IQ score or not I q highest q score player. So I think all of that up. It's interesting because I think when I think again, and maybe I'm sort of Toronto-centric because I live here now. But you know, the bucks have been great and they're fascinating team to me. The Sixers added players at the break including obviously before that Jimmy Butler, the raptors have been great. I know you don't get the TV numbers from there. And the Celtics are still good. As are the Pacers. But that's interesting me. So, you know, you're in a city where the team really is bad. And obviously, the Nixon the bull. So maybe I'm thinking in terms of the east some of the top heavy teams are interesting, but the large majority of them in terms of viewers should play are not did see John and we'll mentally get to the nationalist. But Denver is up right Dallas's up. But I think maybe people would be surprised at this. The warriors are down this year. Locally, right. Yeah. Well, you know, you mentioned the bucks bucks up sixteen percent. The the warriors a lot of them almost like the patriots a lot of people were talking about warrior fatigue. But you also take a look at Steph curry missed a lot of games with injury. And that hurts that hurts the TV ratings out there and a lot of different things come into play. But what I'm I find almost more concerning than that is the national numbers, which are let's talk about this specifically on TNT, which just are not very good. Okay. So. So so let's get to them. I mean, we've talked excuse me. We've talked about this before I think foreign away, they're probably many factors to why the numbers are down this year, but foreign away the biggest factor is LeBron James moving from the east to west changes everything because any because if you are TNT over the last, however, many years, you could set up your eight PM tip time when the Cavs or the heat were playing the power team in the east, and you were guaranteed to get the your ship. Not only that John with that. Also, does have you have a double header it gets people very excited about the NBA. And they I would think more eyeball stay for the late game. Because you've just seen this very exciting game between LeBron someone else. Now, LeBron goes west his with the Lakers, and it's tough to find. None it's tough. There is no other star in the east at least in terms of a television play that matches. Lebron as much as we love Janas as much as we love Kawai and others. None of those guys are close to LeBron. So first and foremost is that that you buy to the biggest reason, maybe not all of it. But the biggest reason why national games are. Now, the switch from LeBron James from the east of the west. I think that the reason certainly. It affects. But again, LeBron got injured he missed twenty games this season because of injury and that that that hurts so far this season. So on TNT NBA games are down eighteen percent. Compared to last year James has only appeared in four games on TNT last year at the same time it was eight. So that's that's a big affect on on a on everything. He's a couple of games ABC's flat. And he's missed a couple of games on ABC as well. But I think that, you know, having it at the later time having the lead in not be as good like you said, so the, you know, the move out west did hurt the TV ratings, but I also the injury. I mean, he's just he hasn't been front of people for a long time. So what else do you think it could be? I mean, what's TNT as he says down eight percent. These your numbers NBA TV down seventeen percent ABC's down three to me that ABC number can flip. If you get one good game late. That's gonna flip any. Any any SPN as flat, which means that could actually be up, but in the end of the year, if they get better match ups, but is there anything that? We're thinking about in terms of that TNT number outside of LeBron. I mean, you know, sometimes you start thinking of other things like the is it weather. Well, not really because the weather hasn't been so great. So you'd think people would be in is at the NBA is down. And it's not as hot a leak. That's silly. Because I mean, it's this cyclical and NBA fans are gonna stay NBA fan. So what what else could it be think what it was like a four percent drop? It'd be like, you know, not that big a deal, but eighteen is one where you do sort of like what's up here? And we'll see we'll see if they becomes back as a season progresses. I will say this. I was at the Super Bowl last year and of the Super Bowl week beforehand. NFL ratings were down again. And there was I won't say panic, but the people noticed, and and there was just a sense that the NFL had to do something. And NFL or NBA of the NFL. This is before the bulls when fell ratings were down because they'd been going for a couple years. And the reason I started saying that is because just last week. I was in Charlotte before the NBA all star game. And the vibe was celebrate Ori the and the NBA executives that I talked to view this as a blip. They think the storylines are still pretty good. They still see a lot of good young talent. They see a lot of, you know, big market east coast teams getting better. And so there's there's a different there's a different sense at the NBA where I think if we're if we're still talking about ratings downturn in three years, then I think the then I think you're going to panic set in. But right now, they're they're just they feel like it's going to come back. They feel like the playoffs. They're going to be strong, and they feel like next year. It's just going to be back to whatever it is. Because they there's growing the sport a lot better. Yeah. Again, I think for anyone who starts thinking that sort of the NBA is in trouble, fundamentally, you'd be crazy while you're not seeing it from you're not seeing it from their executives. You're not seeing from the media executives, and you're not seeing it from from advertisers or sponsors. I mean, everybody's falling over themselves still to be associated with it. Right. Listen. There's no doubt that they're they're, you know, the postal Bronner is going to be really interesting and somewhat challenging television wise, but the one thing about the NBA, and it it's obviously helped by college basketball, which is an incredible vehicle to sort of promote people before they get to the league. There's also it's also a sport where really transcendent type players are known even among a lot of sports fans in high school. And there's always town the pipeline, for instance, and we're taping this after the really awful scene at Duke with Zahn Williamson blowing through his sneaker and being out looks like he's not going to be out for a long time. So that sort of good news. But that's a guy who people are fascinated by totally wanna see in the NBA. No one's going to be the next. Lebron? There's only one LeBron when Michael Jordan. But it again, new talent comes people get excited about stuff. The great thing about the NBA, John is you know, is that there's always the silly season. With free agent is Kevin Durant or someone like that goes to New York. Everything changes television was to whole metric talking with Kyrie became like a whole like a xactly new cycle right there. So. Yeah. So I would I would just caution. Anybody who somehow thinks that this this augurs like bad things for the NBA down that said like the numbers of the numbers. I personally think it's mass. It has so much to do with LeBron. But we'll say, and we'll see what the viewership is in the postseason, and I'm really curious to see if the warriors make the finals, which expect them to what those numbers are this year because it's not going to be lavar versus the warriors. You know, it's going to be LeBron versus the box the raptors at a Celtics and the. Sixers and likely that's going to be down and perhaps significantly down from other finals because you don't have LeBron carrying you. And that will be interesting to me. Lebron James the TV star is is undeniable. I mean, if you just take a look, it sounds obvious. When you talk about it but Cavaliers ratings are down fifty six percent from last year. Lakers ratings are up forty two percent. You know? So you just see where he goes from one from one market to the next and you just see like the the viewers just following them locally. It's a it's, you know, they're very very few athletes that that are able to do that. Yeah. And the it's interesting because I don't know if there's another athlete in any other American sport who could do that viewership lies, maybe outside of I'm talking about team sport, you know, Tiger Woods could do that. But I don't know if there's any other athlete in a team sport who can fundamentally change regional of you're ship. Like that. I guess we'll see what Manny Machado and saying the ego. Where the blood was able to do it Steph curry, maybe maybe if he went to another team it's possible because he's wait. If if the Padres signed Bryce Harper to which has been room boy, those ratings we're going to go through the roof. My God, you know, what if I was a twenty six year old guy with that kind of talent and had the opportunity live in San Diego and get paid three hundred million dollars. You you you couldn't you couldn't you couldn't buy ticket fast enough for that India, go love it. Instead, I'm taking my talents to the great white north. All right. So let's talk about let's we'll we'll segue into a couple of different things because your time is valuable John. You're very busy meetings. Today, the television networks again, I'm just basically reading your column, John, and then you're doing a podcast television networks as you said there's still years away from negotiations with the NFL when rights deals come up in twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two. But we're starting to get some chatter about this significant mostly thanks to you. Because you're been all over the story. And I think the most interesting thing outside of obviously all the broadcasters who want to retain FOX wants to retain CVS wants to retain NBC wants to retain is ESPN's Lesch ABC why well ESPN is really trying to put ABC and play in terms of a getting a Super Bowl. And I think to have feels like to me Jonah fifty fifty or more than fifty fifty shot because I think it also makes sense for the NFL at this moment. What are you hearing about the viability of ESPN may be getting part of the super rotation using ABC? Well, that's what if bien once the NFL certainly wants to get at least one more bitter in there to get to keep everybody honest. And and the thing that that thing that I found surprising about them. And I think the reason why why wrote that column for years literally years I've been writing about. Like, okay here comes Facebook. Okay. Watch out for Amazon and in in walking around doing interviews for for big time NFL packages. It's like everybody's going back to the nineteen nineties. It's all about broadcast television. And even even ESPN is figuring out the, you know. Wow, we have ABC, you know, and we want we want better games, and we want to be in the Super Bowl rotation. So we got to start thinking about whether or not or how we can put football on ABC as I as I see it with ABC in the their. They would be more interested in the primetime packages. So maybe keeping Monday night football and putting it on on ABC or or maybe going after you know, who cares? What day of the week? It is it's really about the schedule so going after the best schedule which occurrence on Sunday night football and trying to get that. 'cause they they pay a billion dollars more per year than for their rights than than NBC. Does right now. I don't see them as getting into the Sunday afternoon. Once it doesn't get deep into the weeds ABC doesn't own as many of its local stations as the other broadcasters that doesn't make much sense for them to to go after a Sunday afternoon package, but but primetime I you know, they they are ready willing and able I would say, well, I think what's you know, what what seems clear to me is that the NFL and correct me if I'm wrong here. I think NFL wants to re up with CBS FOX and NBC because until until until they have said, otherwise or until they believe the research says, otherwise, they believe network television is still their best possible vehicle to push their brand. So now, we're really only talking about willows networks pony up the money that the NFL wants, which I am sure they will because of that. Or of course, because essentially their network strategy at the moment revolve. Around the NFL. So it strikes me that the the only things will be talking about in reality are one does ESPN ABC get into the Subaru tation and to and this is a real one. Is there a package that they would carve out for another partner? Whether that's Turner, or whether that is a Amazon Facebook does own Google excetera. So what do you think about that notion is with the NFL create a new package to bring in a one of these streaming or digital players? It's it's possible. The NFL has been dabbling with Amazon, you know, selling them non-exclusive package, but telling them package of Thursday night game. So that the you know, Yahoo has been streaming some game. So they haven't getting out there and doing things that doing things like that. But the whole history of the NFL suggested, you know, they will do whatever they can to make sure that their product is on broadcast television. So it can be seen by the most people possible. So as cable was growing and ESPN was was was growing. They were getting the crappiest the that count as a curse word crappiest, Richard not not as good as Miller's damn. So they were getting the worst Gadgil's out there because they were they were the quote unquote, cable package Turner has been dying to get into the NFL. And it's been offering a ton of money to get in with the NFL, and the NFL doesn't want to do it because they're they're broadcast. So the idea that they would carve out at any kind of significant package and give it to to one of these digital companies. Even if I mean, these digital companies have deep pockets, I just don't see that happening. It's not in the league's DNA, the one to watch is Turner Turner has you know, they don't have any kind of broadcast component to to it right now. But they are now owned by AT and T, and you wanna talk deep pockets. They also have very deep pockets, and they're being led by David Levy and executive that love sports and really wants to get in with football. So that's a that's sort of a wild card to take a look at their in my opinion. Yeah Turner has a lot of spots on their on their schedule where they fit the NFL. And so that's one inch. She and in terms of design because John skipper is the top content person there. I don't see that. It's I think it's very clear that skipper one is relationship with the NFL is nearly as good as some of these other exacts into never. Seem to have the love football ESPN great. What if we've had before? But if John skipper were still the president of the PIN, I would be thinking that he'd be walking away from football. And I I Li. Way. Everything seemed to be trending before he left. Yeah. Live games that obviously I think they'd still keep some kind of highlights, of course. You'd pay for that. But yeah, I could really would have been interesting to save Monday night. Football would have been would have been elsewhere last one on this John the NFL receives. I think about five point five billion annually. He combined all their meteorites from the networks that number's going to go up because everything always goes up. How much you think it's gonna go up come twenty twenty one twenty twenty two you gotta guess. Yeah. I mean, it's going to at least double I would imagine. I think that if you if you take a look at the, you know, take a look at FOX, for example, they they sold off all their twenty first Century Fox assets there now slimmed down as a broadcast network. That's dependent on live rights. You know? So that that's why they went out and got the WWE. That's why they went early and redid it deal with baseball. That's why they went out and got Thursday night football. So the even the even if ratings go down, and it's it's likely they're going to go down 'cause 'cause of cord cutting and everything else the the power of the NFL. In this in this in this. Marketplace is is stronger than it's ever been. Because it really it is the only one I mean, everybody's freaking out about the Super Bowl getting ninety eight million viewers and in falling below one hundred million. It's only thing that comes close to one hundred million viewers the Super Bowl and the NFL programming and just if you take a look at, you know, the most watched shows, that's that's all NFL. And that's where advertisers want to be. And that's what's going to support it. And it's I mean, I would like to be with the NFL right now. I think that that's a stock that I would I would like to have let's move onto another footballing. And that's the af they had an excellent first week in terms of your ship, especially on CBS more than three million people checking that out there's always going to be curiosity seekers with a new league. But that was a really good number even for new league, then a little over six hundred thousand on the NFL network. I did not see the viewership numbers. For this past week. Maybe you have them. But the big news there in front of me. But I know TNT got like over a million watching it so up for pretty well. Yeah. Yeah. So it's interesting. So, you know, we we there was a report in the athlete about some cash flow issues that they might have had it seems like lease at the moment there, they found more financial footing by bringing some people in terms of as part of their board. But where do you see this product John in terms of terms of a media play both? But specifically regarding the television rights holders that have already picked them up because very good start numbers wise, and the other thing I would ask you is. You know, if if the af is being paid, or if this is one of these Rev share where you know, the the networks allow the af to be on their airwaves, and they try to split the profits when it comes to advertising, it's a little bit a little bit of a mixture of both. I mean CBS. As paying a little bit to get them on CBS sports network. But I I I don't think you can talk about the af without talking about the XFL. And I just think that the deals that that these two leagues have made with you know, the XFL, I don't know. I don't think these have been announced yet. But the they have a deal in place with FOX and what they BC the af was on CBS broadcast. It was on Turner for their all star NBA all star game, you know, as as a lead into that. So they're getting prime placement on big on big national networks. NFL network has af as well. It just shows that network executives believe that there's an appetite for more football and spring football. And so one of one. I've always been bearish on on spring football. I've I've I've written. Dozens of stories about leagues that have come and gone that nobody would've ever heard of these are these are to that one of these two really I think have has a chance to make it. I'm not sure which one it's going to be or or how it's going to move forward. But it's a I think that it's the footballs been been good the relationships they have with the national TV networks have been good. And it's the NFL isn't doesn't seem to be moving to squash. Either one of them, which is always a problem. I mean, the NFL is actually come out. I think in sad, or at least the f- said that you know, they really think of themselves as a developmental league with the NFL and have absolutely no interesting competing with them. I guess the real question. I have for you, John is is there any chance that both leaks could succeed because that strikes me as problematic. I don't know if there's enough interest certainly gonna be enough places where the games will air. But I don't know if there's enough viewer interest. Both. Media-wise watching and maybe attendance wise to support both leagues. But people do football. I don't know if I had to bet I'd bet a bet both can't survive. But maybe I'd be wrong. What do you think? I think it would be long that have have both revive. I can't see that happening. But you know, they're in different markets. And you know, maybe maybe they could be viewed almost as, you know, two different college conferences made it I couldn't maybe maybe that could work, but my I would put a lot of money that that. One of them will succeed as opposed to both of them. All right. And by the way, let me let me restate that. I I'm not predicting that either one will succeed. I have no idea if they're going to succeed. But I I'd put a lot of money that both wants exceed. Let's say that gosh. Okay. All right before we get to some quick, Adnan Virk talk. You you mentioned to me before we start. You wanted to mention something about Ray calm and the Atlantic coast conference. Well, yeah. As a kid the grew up in Washington DC when Maryland was in the ACC, I grew up with Ray com. As being part of you know, rate com. Jefferson pilot Tele productions, and they would produce and syndicate all of the basketball and football games. And and there was a little bittersweet yesterday. If you were following, Tim Brando on Twitter, he was you know, you you could tell there was a little bit of a motion there because Ray calms association with the ACC is ending at the end of the ACC tournament this year. And I think it started back in nineteen seventy nine or nineteen eighty. And so last night was the last time that Ray com produced the Duke Carolina game from Cameron. I mean, well probable that. They'll end up having an ACC final game between the two, but but it it's really the end of the air, and you could see from these, you know, longtime broadcasters that, you know, it it it really matters to them, and and Tim Brando brought his family according to according to his Twitter feed brought his family to to the game. And you know, I it was really meaningful to them. And and I gotta say also, you know, somebody that grew up with Ray comets meaningful to me, and our way it's just sort of like, that's that's a brand that I've been associated with for for so long in terms of watching the to think that it's ending, and it's ending because you know, as he sees on ching with the network with ESPN. So they're taking all of us indication writes back, but it's it's you know, I just thought that it would be good to sort of point that out. Yeah. Appreciate then just think of all the people behind the scenes of work for Ray calm from camera. Operators to engineers, etc. D- I wanna ask you though about the ACC network. There's obviously going to be interesting the Carolinas and where the ACC schools are. But what's your what's your prognosis in terms of this being of interest to cable outlets outside of the ACC area? I if you had asked me this one year ago, I would've said it's gonna it's doomed for failure. But it one year on they have deals with all tees in New York, which is hardly any see hotbed. They have a deal that Reisen, which is the national deal. So I don't know what the what they're giving up or what sort of leverage the they're giving up to get to get these deals done. But it's it's not gonna be the the start that SEC network was where everybody had to have when it launch. But it's going to be pretty successful when it launches I, and I mean, you can already see the roadmap for. For that. The first time they have like a Clemson football game on there that people can't see then you'll start to see that ramp up too. So I think like I again, I was very bearish on them about a year ago and just seeing these deals get cut and Justin Connolly over in the affiliate group at ESPN sort of in charge of getting these done. He's done a really good job with us. And I I've now turned a hundred eighty degrees on on what my prognosis the network is going to be the ACN ESPN that relationship goes through twenty thirty five thirty six. So there is a lot of lot of incentive for both those parties to make it work because they tethered together for twenty years, or so it's interesting that you say that obviously, I have great respect for your opinion. And and we'll watch I I guess I will be very curious to see the interest in those brands outside of those markets that said the ACC. Does have some national brands and that does that should make them attractive at least in some quarters in the midwest and the east coast excetera, so that's that's one which I should know this off the top of my head. I want isn't launch. August I and I do think I forget what the first matchup is. But it might be Georgia Tech. Clemson. I forget they have a pretty football game. They did on a on on ACC network. Trust me. ESPN marketing machine from sports. Sportscenter get up. I take it's going to be a see their trust me on like they did with due care line. I don't know if you're watching ESPN yesterday. But it was a it was an infomercial to drive people to to the nine o'clock game. Yeah. That I can live with at least because I mean, you know, that's a national game. That's you know, number one team in the country. But yeah, I mean. Yeah. So did I tuned did the TSN up here in fact in in Toronto? All right. So lastly, Adnan Virk. Talked about him with with Jim Miller in a singular podcast of you to go back on the archives and check that out Jamila bringing a lot of passion. There not only about Adnan Virk being terminated. We're Both Miller. And I believe a suspension would have been I think far more just but ESPN's disciplined the one thing that's consistent about it as inconsistent. And to Miller really went off on the fact that you terminate somebody for leaking yet, you leak the story of the termination yourself, and that's a very fair very fair point to ponder. So here's where I wanna ask you, John you you can weigh in on whatever you want with that end Virk. But the real question to me or the interesting when to me as we head forward is I think he'll be hard. Elsewhere. I don't think this. I don't think whether it's a FOX or design or some other place. I think they I think given the quality of work his reputation as someone who's really a great colleague and class individual organization. I think he's gonna I think he's gonna get hired somewhere else that said. You know, it's I do wonder if he's going to have to tell his employer at least from his side everything that happened. So take that however you want if you wanna take your own sort of top line thoughts about Virk, but more than that is do expect to see him. Elsewhere doing sports for major US television network. Major US television networks, I think I think he'll find work. Yeah. Where that work is. I'm a I'm not sure I'm not sure if it's going to be for for television, or for, you know, potentially streaming company, right? Right. May or may not have a MLB rights, you know, which is. Which is sort of just say design, John don't don't don't tap dancer. I don't know how to pronounce it. I don't know how to pronounce it, Richard. The, but the, you know, my take on on on that whole that whole thing is that he was just he just appears to be the wrong person at the wrong time. And yet the the Jimmy Petar came in under skipper and really under under Bodenheimer too. But really under skipper, the place with a sieve and people leaked all the time and Jimmy Petar came in and he's bringing sort of Disney ethos there, and I've I this has been told to me by numerous people, and I'm sure you as well, you know, his first sort of all hands on deck meeting. You know, somebody was recording it or the sending tax or somehow the big lead was finding out about it and live tweeting, the the meeting, and that irritated the the powers that be at ESPN so much that it almost seemed like, okay. The next one. We just have to make a state. Mint about him, and we have to and and poor adn. And as you know, the guy that that that sort of walked into that we agree on this. I mean, I'll ask you direct. But it seems very clear to me that Petar was in his decision and make no mistake Jimmy Charlton at the end of the days the person who made this decision because that's the kind of high profile termination that the president of the SPN is going to have to sign off on. I think part of the calculus here. John was that he was letting everyone else in this organization know that we're not tolerating leaks anymore. Do you agree that that in part of this decision? There was a not just however they determine the the actual event of what Virk did. But a larger statement to let the rank and file know that you can't do this almost certainly, and I 'cause I think that was a whole point of it is is to make the statement to say like we are not leaking anymore because if you if you look at. What's been reported on on on what he what he gave off on ounce. I mean, that's that the only way that that you can look at that and say, okay, let's fire him and not suspend him is by saying like, you know, hey, let's we need to make a statement on this. And correct. I I mean, I I don't see any way that you can any other way that you can kind of look at it. So that that information was of interest to like, what a thousand people, maybe disrespected off announcing Ben CU it's just it was very benign under the weeds kind of, you know, a baseball item. I have no doubt that probably MLB was pissed off about it. But like, it just this wasn't like, I don't even know what we see, you know. This wasn't like Bob Woodward meeting deep throat in a parking line in Washington DC. You know, I mean, it was like there should be some kind of semblance of. At least in my opinion, kinda semblance of thought here. But ESPN the other thing John, and I think both of us can have a good laugh at this. The idea that leaks are gonna stop at ESPN. Really? I mean, the the the place because of the business itself the business that we are all in is. It produces elation paranoia gossip. It's just the nature of too many media people to talk the idea that they're going to be able to rein in leaks is just silly. And then lastly, and this is where the, you know, if you wanna call it irony or her pock rec- comes in without leaks. Do we know the names of Adam Schefter Adrian, which now sqi Jeff Jeff passan Southwark sham. I mean, they're entire I should say their entire business model, but so much of their business model relies on people in athletics leaking to them, which they know. So the idea that you blew Virk out so quickly given that so many of your insiders, get leaks everyday from these places at least for me was a little hard as well. I do feel like like people that will be. And I don't even consider leaking info just carrying on conversations with with people outside of the company. The they are going to be the are already have become much more careful, and and I'd agree with. I'd agree with that. Yeah. It has button. It has sent the message. It has putting people up. I think it has probably shut down a couple of people who would have normally leak stuff out. But and and it's just made people more careful about who they talk to. And and and and what they bring up. Yeah. We'll say this literally the day after it. And it was fired. I got a pretty good leak from somebody pin. I just couldn't confirm it before someone else reported it. So it's not gonna end. That's the only thing. I would. That's the only thing I would say, but yes, I do think it has had a bit of a chilling effect of Jimmy Qatar wants to take a little bit of victory lap around one of the hundred twenty million dollars studios that they have he can do that. Because I do think it has quelled. At least a little bit of that. But the human you can't you can't be human nature, and people will always I think talk, and I want to just give a message out to any potential leaguers that nobody will ever know. I would believe me nobody will ever know. Yeah. Same same here. I mean, I if you know, and I think the people who who have sourced me and leak me in the past know that I will always write something in a way where the SPN PR department has to make at least five guesses as to who it is. And if you've got five people who you think it might be then ultimately the end the day. It's really nobody. 'cause you can never really guess John. Is there anything else, you can always just blame it on CAA? Anyway. Right. Well, I'm I'm not I have no comment on anything. But yeah, it's always fun to blame. There. Those guys are. So those guys are those guys and women are so wealthy that they can take the hit as they're driving alone. Their second Malibu beach are John. Is there anything else that we need to discuss on this, very abbreviated podcast? I mean, I I have not even gotten on you John for going on the the Sports Illustrated media podcast. I'm you know, some might see that as a as disloyalty, but I just want the brand to to get bigger and bigger, you know, what I am all about the brand of the absolutely. Although I do have to say I called I called you up. I I'm a team Daij guy. I'm at firmly firmly team dykes I'd like if there's any problem, and you gave me your papal blessing. I gotta have to you know, at the end of the day. It has to be more about the old brand Brandon. My the my ego. John rand is the sports find sports business daily and journal media reporter. And check out his work on that. Excellent public -ation as well as check him out on Twitter. He, you know, maybe as good as source person when it comes to the executive moves of of the sports media networks, and whether it's NFL rights deals or. Or carriage issues of your ship stuff. John O ran is the absolute most source for that John. I appreciate your time. I know you you are on assignment this week. So thanks for giving us a little bit of time today in the sports media podcast, and and stay on the line, John as I as I will conclude this podcast in and your feel free. If you would like to be a part of it and comment on any of the previous guests, I mentioned. Okay. All right. So okay, we go. So that's a John O ran my thanks as always to loophole agree. No. If you like the producer if you like this podcast previous guests, I should say. But previous guests this class include Mark, fainter, WADA, Shannon, speak in Jeff Gluck. So that was a a podcast on the Kosta story that fainter wattage, Shannon, speak has become the preeminent host of NASCAR. Jeff Gluck crowdfunding his way through NASCAR. He's kind of interesting prior to that James, Andrew Miller and his F bombs on the ad Enver situation, Kevin Harlan and soup. Bowl director, Mike Arnold on what it is like to work the Super Bowl and then go through the whole list. Laura Rutledge, Tom Rudy. Bruce feldman. You know, let's be Kate Abdo Jamal hill. Renee, young Adam Schefter, Rachel Nichols, Rebecca, Lowe, etc. If you like this kind of stuff conversations with John rand or one on ones with sports media people please sign up for these sports media. With Richard is podcast. Leave us a review that is how this podcast continues. John. Did you wanna weigh in on anything on what was entirely shitty out tro? I would call it by me. You know, what it was an all star cast, and I have to say that the first one that you mentioned that Hoste story Lou through through my mentioned dominated in higher week with. Just different people talking about like why he why he opened up, and you know, what, you know, NBC's role in everything I as a, you know, the the fascinating back and forth of ESPN reporting on NBC, which you generally don't see that the whole thing I found to be really cool. That was a that was a particularly good one same thing. Yeah. That was a really very very cool sports media piece and again, fainter Awada explained how we got cost this and cost us talking to them NBC's reaction and response, which they really took them awhile took fainter awhile fi fainter wa wa a while to get them. That's privately. So that was really really interesting. All right. Four loophole. Green. Oh, four cadence thirteen for John O rant. This is Richard will see again on the sports media. With Richard is podcast.

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Sean Payton, it's yeah. Keep talking that smack rhythm c again, etc. And as you said the Louis earlier today on get up, Sean Payton a guy who played for guy. You know, this is not unusual for him to chirp other players. Right. Not at all. And to be clear. He Chirps that everyone. He's deter at me. I mean, I can tell you. We could see your for hours on the stores. I could tell you, but we would have specifically on Fridays. That would be what we call it our red zone day. So we were practiced a red zone offense and defense and a God so competitive that we frankly would just go once verse one. So we didn't even have a scout team on red zone day because it got so competitive between myself, and Sean, and we were like, look we're going to get the best work out of each other going against drew vice versa going against offense, align, etc. And then not only that the competitive nature of it. We would actually keep tally of who won each play, and Sean, and I will go up to the film room afterwards to decide who actually won each play. Like, that's how competitive begets. So the trash talking I love, and the reason I love is. Because these he's passionate about what he's doing. It's not just a motionless coach that sits there. Okay. Next. Play next play. And he's only thinking through the math. You know? You gotta have some exciting. You gotta have some emotion because the players feel it, and when the players feel that the coaches involved like that, and it coaches exciting. He gets after guys, man. It's a great feeling. I love that. He does that. Yeah. It's kind of guy he'll go for on-site cake to start off the second half of Super Bowl. Right. That's right. The aggression that go for you go. I'll let's switch a little more college football conversation you and I both a big part of our college football coverage you on ABC with Kevin Gandhi and Mack Brown and myself, joy galley. Jesse Palmer every Saturday and ESPN and a couple of games in situations. I wanna get your read on here, particularly Notre Dame. Now in book is not going to play their starting quarterback who's been so important to them. Brandon wimbush now becomes a starter. Again, this guy started fifteen games. And even though he has a strong arm. He's inaccurate with it, which is why Brian Kelly. Smartly said enough's enough we're going to the book and in book has been terrific for that offense. But books out due to injury. They're facing Florida state. This defense is so bad Javy. They've given up two hundred points in the last. Four-game? So I'm sure in book is angry right now. So you know, what I pad my stature against these guys I feel fine. But Brian Kelly op can give him the week ops of Brandon wimbush comes in. You think I don't believe forced his defense is so bad. I I don't even think I'd be concerned. If I was Notre Dame level of concern for the Irish not having your starting quarterback in the book. There should be a moderate level of concern. And it should be less about how poor Florida state is and more about how. Well can Notre Dame execute offensively? And I go back to the start of the season when yes Notre Dame with Brandon wimbush beat Michigan. They won by seven points. And in that game. I specifically remember saying, oh, wow. Brandon wimbush has worked on his accuracy. He's worked on his arm. He's going to be a library than he was last year. Then week to comes Notre Dame plays ball state. Brandon wimbush throws three interceptions to ball state. Now. Boston College, not Michigan state ball state university. And they they won by eight points. It was it was a single score victory that they that they won by. Then the next week they play Vanderbilt, and that one's a close one and Brian Kelly had to take Brandon wimbush out of the game midway through because as you said enough's enough. So we can talk about Florida state. All we want to what I know. Is that Brandon wimbush he will give it up to anybody? It doesn't have to be a legitimate defense. It doesn't have to be a legitimate d one defense. It just has to be anybody. That's gonna put some sort of coverage tight coverage out there and watches inaccuracies as he overthrows his receivers. So Florida's state can very well find themselves in the game late and everyone's saying what's going on. And it could be because Brandon wimbush. So I don't I don't know how Brian. He's going to manage that. Because you definitely can't be one dimensional. You're going to have to air it out at some point, especially with the rhythm that Notre Dame's offense has gone into. So, you know, you gotta really really watch. How Brandon wimbush is playing as a passer, we know can run the ball. How's he gonna play as a passer? Here's your part of it for me. If I'm a Notre Dame fan I'm concerned because November is not been kind to them. Like, there's something about the Irish that you say, hey, this you finish this out strong go on bayton yet number three college football playoff time by Obama and Clemson, but they don't they don't finish strong JV. They've been in this situation before I don't wanna say, they lay eggs or they're over can't do. No. Yeah. And they do they've lost in November every year since they went to the title game every year they lost November six years can say too. So I'm with you that I didn't they beat Florida state. And even though they do have to air on at some point. I think they have a good enough ground game they'll ground and pound and be Florida state the one that I'm concerned about if I'm an owner name fan of Syracuse, and I chuckle against saying that out loud. But this. Syracuse offense is legit. Those guys put a points. Whether it's done to your devito at quarterback. They're going to be planning Yankee Stadium like of all the games are made for Notre Dame. I don't worry about USC. I don't worry about Florida state. But I met Syracuse game that's a legit threat legit concern for Notre Dame. And if they lose that game, they're not making the playoff. Okay. So I agree with you on the first part. Syracuse is definitely the biggest threat of for the last three games of the season. I don't agree that they don't make the playoffs. Here's why. Syracuse also be Clemson. If you remember last year, they beat them by three points and Clemson found their way into the playoffs. Kelly. Bryant was hurt like mitigating circumstances. Exactly. So, and that's that's exactly the point. I'm getting at if you have an ambush who's not ready to play against Syracuse or he trots out there and doesn't look like himself at Brandon wimbush has finished a game. Let's assume that Brandon wimbush takes care of business. Notre Dame takes care of business. They beat Florida state. And then now you're in a predicament where you don't have im- book, you're up against a. Very high powered offense and a team with a lot of motivation and momentum on their side and Syracuse, and then you go out there and you lose by. Three points four points. Yeah. To Syracuse on a neutral site without your starting quarterback. If the playoff committee is going to be consistent, then they have to treat that loss to Syracuse. The same way they treated the loss to Syracuse. When it was clemson's turn when Kelly Brian got hurt in that game. And they went with the backup because that was the whole infuriated me that they kept him in at number four number three at the time. And they basically gave them a mulligan. They gave him a pass. They said, oh, he was hurt. So because it would have been a different team a different score different outcome. So if you're gonna use that logic for one season you have to use it again this season. Because that's the only reason we brought in the playoff committee. We wanted consistency within the rankings. Adnan Virk Jonathan Vilma infra Stephen a Smith and ESPN radio and ESPN news. And I'm we the committee should be more than just all right? These teams are unbeaten. They should all get in. You're right. You're supposed to evaluate strength, schedule and factors. So let's suppose this then let's say. Book comes back and he's fine. Fully fully healthy. Just doesn't have a good game. And no no name losers. And they lose by two touchdowns. Then are they out? Who are we comparing him against so bam in Clemson gonna say are in? I say Michigan beats Ohio State, which is not a guarantee, but I think the wolverines are there represent the big ten. So then you've got the likes of Oklahoma Texas has done now where it will be the winner of Oklahoma West Virginia, right one law. So big twelve champ. I'd say it in a head of in Washington state, if they went down there one loss team, right? So those those your competition. If Notre Dame loses by let's say two touchdowns and they had booked back. They lose Syracuse. In that scenario. I would take were saying Alabama's in Clemson is in that means Georgia's a two loss team. Right. And then Notre Dame laws and we're saying Michigan's in they went out as a one loss champ. Correct. I would take Oklahoma. If they went out as or excuse me, I would take the big twelve champ. If they are one loss big twelve champion over Notre Dame. I'll take them because of though their schedule is frankly as is comparable to Notre Dame schedule. And then you look at the test at the time Oklahoma, it looks really good offensively. Not so good defensively. West Virginia is starting to come around. So have to see what happens in the big twelve title game at Franklin last two weeks. I easily see a scenario where Oklahoma and West Virginia play each other back to back weeks and how the game plays out if it's dominant performance. I would take them over Notre Dame. And by the way, just a thought there in Washington state, as we thought the star, the JV that you double the best chance of the pack twelve right? Remember all the way back in Auburn in the first week. You say we're my favorite. Yeah. Exactly, man. I didn't hear a war. I'm not saying you. I'm saying me everybody. I didn't hear one word about Washington state and kudos to Mike Leach. So I know he's a wacky guy and gets more pump for the fact, he's just kind of off color and a fun quote. But God the guy can coach Gardner Minhsiu their quarterback those three hundred ninety passing yards a game you want offense washes day. We'll give it to you. Yes. Washington. Stay will. But as a something about Washington state. I find it hard to believe that they're just going to run the table. I just don't see it happening. Now. I hope they do because I will make a very very valid argument for Washington state because the same argument was used for LSU when LSU played what was it four or five top top twenty five teams at the time. Time Washington state played three top twenty five teams at the time, and we can either. So we are going to say that Washington state play three top twenty five teams or we're gonna say that they didn't play any top twenty five teams. Well, if you're gonna use that logic, you have to use it with the rest of the teams in the rest of the other conferences because then LSU really only played two top twenty five teams and they lost one. So it's a it's a very very interesting scenario if Washington state where a win out, but we need a loss from we need a loss from Notre Dame or the big ten or the big twelve if you have all three of them sitting there, washing state's gonna be on the outside looking in fashioning definite, go through all the different permutations. Adnan Virk and Jonathan Vilma. Stephen Smith show on ESPN radio a thrill to bring in the NFL hall of Famer the greatest wide receiver of all time. Arguably the NFL player of all time. Jerry Rice new documentary is called in. Search of greatness is directed by Gabe Polsky and it features. Jerry are all. Buddy here from ESPN, Wayne, Gretzky and Palay talking about creativity. And why so important and becoming superstar athletes, Jerry, thanks for the time, man. Hey, thanks for having me. I thought the dock was fantastic. And it's an it's an often told tale when it comes to you and Gretzky that with Wayne he was never the strongest guy. It was strengthening conditioning news. He was the worst. And then when you see Jerry Rice, you'd say dude, I was never the fastest guy now at never know age, but I was able to just be smart and picked my spots, etc. This documentary specifically, I think is going to be so important for young kids out there to say, listen don't be so structured don't worry about running drills la- time. Sometimes it's so important just to free will can you just explain to us how that was important in your life creativity and making you a superstar athlete. Well, first of all Wayne Gretzky and also Pele in here in Wayne talk about his story. He was not the fastest. But you know, he would just work a little bit harder, you know, on being on ice. And and and the way he dealt with. The poke and all of that. And I was the same way. I was not the fastest coming out of college. That was to knock on me. But I you know, I think I've made up for that by being a great route runner being able to catch the ball then to help football speaks. So even to be put in that category up those guys, you know, Gretzky and also Pele it means the world to me I have to pinch myself. But you think about Serena Williams, you think about Michael Jordan, you think about Tiger Woods, you think about Muhammad Ali all all of these great athletes, and and what we try to do to to be great to be honest with you. So the sacrifices that you make you know being able to play when you hurt and still, you know, they have great teammates around you. I think that's the reason why I was so successful in NFL, Jerry. Could you talk a little bit more? About will. You just mentioned briefly playing hurt our working the opponent. Can you talk a little bit more about that? Because you know, frankly, I try to emulate my game around your work ethic. You're y receive is a linebacker, but I loved watching and hearing about how you trained how you were tireless worker you practice hard. And I was like man I wanna be like that guy. Could you explain more about what you would do or how you would focus in when it came to adversity. Well, you know, the thing for me is that I paint tolerance that was very important to me being able to he really play your best football in the fourth quarter. So I had to train my body where where it would really hurt like, no doing off seats. I had this infamous he'll in this hill about two and a half miles up in last eight hundred beaters, it was straight up hill. And it would make guys throw up, and I remember Terrel Barry Sanders, all these players come in to run hill in it was really difficult for those guys. But I think in the fourth quarter. It was like the fourth quarter for me because I you know, I was in tiptop shape. I'm jumping around. I'm ready to play my best football everybody this tire. So is all about that pain tolerance that you have to put your body through to be able to excel in NFL and play when everything is on the line. You look at Michael Jordan. He wanted the basketball when everything was on the line. He wants to be that guy to scored at winning basket. Tiger woods. You know? He talk about you know, taking that shot, you know, after you or once you hit the ball. Then you walking down the golf course you're looking at the scenery and you taking yourself away or second into second. You back over that golf ball you focus again. So all the great players. We know how to. Just take it to a different level and and be successful on a football field. And I'll capable feel in. Search of greatness is the name of the documentary. Encourage everyone to check it out Jerry Rice when the feature. Participants were talked him right now in the Stephen space, John ESPN radio Adnan Virk and Jonah Velma filling in well, my favorite parts, the dock Jerry is Gretzky's talking about preparation before the hockey game. And he says he goes I was playing ping pong five or four tip. Let's say six fifty five I'm just kind of screwing around, and it may be the very famous story. And you could tell me if it's true or not of Joe Montana in the huddle with you guys against the Bengals in the Super Bowl. And all this because they look there's John candy over there is that true. It is. I would tell you. I don't know. I was in the huddle. But I was so focused on what I had to do because I knew importance of airy catch. But I, you know, I've heard Harris Barton say something about that. Hey, you know, Joe about John candy on Donald drive about three minutes. Ten seconds left in the ballgame. We gotta go over like eighty eighty five yards to win that Super Bowl. But I remember Joe he Jones that type of quarterback his composure, and he's always cool. So doing a two minute drill you call in to plays. And I remember Joel squatting down and he calls out the first to place in a second. We broke the huddle everything with completely quite you know, I feel like that was my thing of being in zone. And I could just block everything out. I could just focus on to the attention to detail. And I was able to make some great catches on that final drive to put my. Team in a position where we could win. Well, Jerry, tell me about. Why haven't you because I know growing up a huge fan everyone, I know grown up a huge Jerry Rice fan. Why haven't you done more of consulting more one on ones with players that you identify could have that potential? Be great. I should ask. Have you done that? I really don't know. You know, what I had so many opportunities. But I think I've caused so much into my career that I just you know, I wanted to step away for a little bit. And and you know, eventually, you know, maybe I can get more into where I could be a mentor were players in and get back involved with the Niners all over again. But you know, I still go around up to silty, and I I talked to players, and I remember last year I went out and actually I worked out with the team. And and the guy they couldn't believe that at the age of fifty five I feel run route in in and kissed way out. Now, you gotta tell us who would you be who'd you be in in a sprint drills. Who'd you be in the run on the funny thing it was like these young guys in and you know, on a snap of the ball getting off the ball. And they could not believe how quick I could get off the football. It's all about reaction thing in used to tell the officials throughout. A game. I said, look, I'm always a little bit faster. But I'm always right with the ball everyone else's a little bit slower in a just a reaction thing of being the guys just couldn't believe that. I could get off the ball so fast and also run, but precise routes Jerry Rice one last one for Jerry, let you go in search of greatness is the name of the documentary. How did you get approached by gave Polska this documentarian? And why were you willing to share your story? What was it that you felt was important that you wanted to share? Well, you know, he actually got in touch with my my assistant, and she said, well, you know, this might be something that that's very interesting, and it it's just like it's crazy guys because I do stuff best really crazy. Even with ask what start when they get in touch with my agent. So I said, okay. All right. Let's give it a try and we sat down, and we started talking, and I was like this is gonna be so cool because you know, people get an. Opportunity to see what you saw on the football field. I mean, I mean talking about the preparation all of that the sacrifices that you had to had to make you know, with everything is on the line being that guy that that really wants to ball. And he also told me that Wayne Gretzky what's going to be a part of and also Pele, and I'm like, wow. You don't have to be, you know, on a documentary with Bill two guys, you know, that would be pretty cool. So I decided to go for it. Yeah. It's funny too, big hockey guy. Righty played college hockey and him and Wayne have that connection. Red Army's his previous documentary. I don't know how much you knew about football. But clearly you guys had a good report it it definitely comes across in the documentary. It's called in search of greatness. I encourage people to check it out and search greatness dot com. We always loved having Jerry Rice here at ESPN. And that to throw the other watching this movie. Thanks so much time in. Hey, thanks for having me guys. You guys have a great day. Okay. 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I did not have like my mechanic calling may or masseuse Mr. for rookie missed your appointment. And I listen, Adnan Virk Gionta Vela in for Stephen Smith that I I knew JV is such a pro he could just keep rolling. He would know that. I even if I was paying attention. I'm not being an issue. You can't even see me right now, can you? I haven't seen you all show. I can see you. Yeah. I'll just roll, man. Just racially. He's just go. Did you see me on the phone as you're talking? If I had our of our of had the best time messing with you about it. So I wish I did see on there. You would have blown me up is what you've done. Oh, yeah. It'd been like so watching say, oh, hey an-and. How're you doing? Then. I would check my phone and be like, okay. So this is what we're doing. Now sliding dams or here. Okay. Interesting about. Sliding. All right. We've been talking a lot of NFL college football actual dive into the NBA here. But went terribly is presented by progressive shirts with more than thirty unique coverage options available progressive, no small business. Learn more progressivecommercial dot com. Need game tickets. Find your seats vivid seats official ticket partner of ESPN. Enter promo code ESPN at checkout, receive ten percents off your order today, vivid seats NBA action. I don't know about you JV. I I listen I like the NBA and I'm into it. But I I don't pay too much attention until we get through the college football regular season, then December I'm following college hoops, obviously and a little bit NBA we go from there. But this will get my attention and someone says to me Steph Curry's hurt I go hang on a second hold the phone here. Especially since I'm gonna rely on you as far as being our doctor here and tell me the specifics of an ad Dr strain because I know listen, the warriors are so loaded. You know, the cynic in me says listen wake me up in January, February March whatever like they're going to run this thing. But the only thing that could harm. From them. Is it some injuries happen? And not just one guy to guys if curry goes down and Klay goes down if Durant goes down and so on and so forth. So Steph curry leading Thursday nights lost the bucks last night, abductor, strain, his left leg. Steve Kerr says he'll undergo an MRI today curry told Marc spears. I'm not nervous. I've nothing to go off of if this was an ankle. I could tell you four days twelve days, but I will see tomorrow I've had never done this before. So I have nothing to go off of give any sort of history with abductor straits, and you give me anything on this. So I had to sports hernia surgeries. And so if it's similar to. What I experienced then I can tell you that it is very uncomfortable. It it's not that he can't play. It just becomes very uncomfortable to play. And there's no reason for for Steph curry to be superman and try to play through this the rest of the season. He would just be eighty five percent himself. The the thing. I liked though, big picture about the Golden State Warriors is that they've been through this before they just went through this last year when they didn't have you see we were pulling up the stats right here. Thirty one games without them seventeen and fourteen yet, they still swept celebs a LeBron James Eastern Conference team. So you know, we can talk about oh, what does this mean? And what's going to happen? The warriors have taken the approach, and rightfully so we need everyone. One hundred percent when accounts and that's going to be end of the season. We will. We will end up a one c to seed it doesn't matter as long as we have everyone healthy because the only thing that matters. And what people remember is them sweeping the Eastern Conference opponent for another title. So I'm not concerned about it at all. I love the approached at the warriors take with all their players, frankly, not just Steve Steph curry they do with all their players take your time. Get back when you are fully healthy and can perform at one hundred percent because that's when we're unstoppable Steph curry last night, just five of fourteen ten points at twenty six minutes. Lowest output of the season to your point about resting guys or not pushing guys dream on green. With a tow sprain was out last night, Shaun Livingston did not dress trae might be back Monday against the clippers. And of course, the sleeping giant is. The fact that got DeMarcus cousins gonna be coming back in March. That's the part of the craziest part JV like if you if you tell me in March their crown cruise control and all they're walking back a guy. Boogie cousins who can be twenty ten every night. He just listen. I get the fact that you need. To have it Goliath, and every sport the eleven Marie hate him. But that's the point you say this isn't fair on the so fun to watch though that that's what I love about. They're so fun to watch. You know, I go back. I keep referencing the the NBA finals last year when you watch how selfless they were. It didn't matter if Steph curry was hot. All right. He's the hot hand they've passed it to them if Kevin Durant was all, right. He's a high hand. Let's go through him if not and they're trying to figure out who's hot. They were passing by look like Harlem, Globetrotters the way that they were pass pass pass pass. Find the open man get the best shot. It wasn't just one on one basketball here. One on one basketball there. We're gonna fours four three pointers. Just because I it was really good Chris bass while they were playing. That's why I can't hate them. They're loaded is selfless. The they are awesome. They're selfless superstars. That's what they are fun. Good. Chris basketball that cannot describe the Houston Rockets right now, this is is not that they're bad. The surprise is there. Bad offensively Mike dantonio summed up the stay their offense. With one word said it's anemic. They were historically elite last year JV, they lead the NBA an offensive rating average one hundred and fourteen points per one hundred possessions curly, the rockets are four and six that happens. I ten games this season for twenty sixth in points per game one or three point nine. It's a third time. They failed to score at least ninety and Chris Paul is career lows right now feel percentage of thirty nine percent in three point percentage of twenty seven percent. And before we dissect Chris Paul, let us add Houston Rockets signing Carmelo Anthony over the summer Mela last night, two points on one of eleven shooting in twenty minutes alone field. Okay. When a goaltending. Call like that is horrific. I'm not going to beat a dead horse with Carmelo Anthony. And I mean that almost literally because he hasn't been a great player for past three years. And he even when he was a great player. He didn't get make anybody else better around him. He was very selfish but going back to Houston. They miss Trevor Reza. Trevor REEs was an unsung hero for them. Because he provided a spark he provided threes he provided toughness, and he provided defense when you when you take that away. And then add to the fact that Chris Paul is not in his prime. He's been out of his prime for the past three or four five years. Now, what he's been is a very good general. He's been very good savvy veteran still great ball control. And he sees the court very well. And his game has shooting game. Was there right now? It's not there. So what you're getting from? Chris Paul is is a shell of himself. And then we're going to try to have James. And go one on one all day that doesn't work. You can't do that in the west maybe in the east maybe that doesn't work in the west. You gotta play team ball. You have to have the supporting cast and bringing mellow over. You know, they, you know, it sounds like, okay? We're going to lose a reason game mellowness supposed to be like a an advantage and in my eyes. It's not an advantage. You looking at a guy that's past his prime as well was always selfish. I don't know how he fits into the mix for Houston. Yeah. And it's one thing when when one guy's a bad shooting that happens. But so far the entire team. Can't you? That's why I think dantonio must be dantonio rather should be so frustrated because you go well Paul's nut shooting James harden was seven of nineteen mellows you've discussed as a mess. So there's no easy answers. They're they're not welcome three. They're not should welcome restricted area. And Dan, Tony. I parts a lot. It's mental energy. We just gonna find a happy spot and go but four and six out of the gate, not gone. You know, I think they got they have to make the extra pass, you know, right right now. It was okay to shoot contested shots. Right. And they would make now they're not making them. So you gotta get the open pass. You gotta get excuse me. Yeah. You hit the open shot. Make the extra pass get the open shot. And then hopefully, you can start getting into a rhythm. You get into a room. That's all they need it. It's no different than what an offense in in the NFL. They get into a rhythm. And they get into a ten play drive twelve play drive. That's what he needs right now. They don't need one on one basketball. They need to continue to pass pass pass look for the open. Shot wide open shot coming up next needs some ditch diggers because we're in a bury the Dallas Cowboys two days early against the eagles. Coming up. Sunday night will preview it I never Jonathan Vilma. Stephen Smith show on ESPN radio. What a bump sees? Peter manning NYC makes clothes for the not. So tall guy. Pants the shorter. In seems shirts. You can wear on talk and jackets that don't fit like a tent check out. Peter manning, NYC dot com and discover a great fit use code ESPN for twenty percent off your. Guess what you're in the middle of a Stephen swift show podcast. Dammit. Thanks so much. You're checking his talk today this show flu. Adnan Virk Jonathan Vilma in for Stephen a Smith on ESPN radio and ESPN news Tiffany on a silently will be back on Monday. But check out the podcast in case you missed the show, including NFL Hala favor. Jerry Rice, join us. Of course, the Canadian has to ask the question about the great John candy when Joe Montana the Niners about to beat the Bengals at last a final drive Montana. Very calm unflappable always cool Joel up because hey is that John candy in the stands asked your rights, whether or not that's true. He said he was too locked in a game wasn't sure Joe setup. A Harris Barton confirms that he said my question, if you Jonathan Vilma is this can you give me a story along those lines, you plan some enormous games where a guy made a comment that seemed awfully offhand awfully casual considering how big the stakes were at that moment. You know, I'll go to. Sean Payne in Super Bowl, and you reference it earlier when we did the onside kick, and I remember we practice it for two weeks. So on the defensive side, you know, we when special teams is up. We're on the sideline we're watching them practice. Onside kick. So we kept saying after watching it for a week. We're like man you guys better run this. You're practicing it every damn day you might as well run this. And so we didn't know that Sean I'm gonna take seriously. So I remember we go in we're down at halftime. And Greg Williams is there. He's he's motivating us. Like, hey, we're doing, well, etc. Going against Peyton Manning. And then Sean knocks on door opens. Like, hey, we're like what's up? We're gonna do the onset kick and close the door. They didn't wait for reactor. We're going to close the door. And we all just look like. All right. Well, there it is. Well, that's happening. So let's get ready. Let's see what's up going to say. There's two reactions you get into that. Either one. It's like Braveheart everyone just started screaming and yelling or it's exactly what you describe it, man. Well, every go, basically, we're like because you know, we're we're in the moment, and he just comes on never. He never interrupted the defensive side of half-time, his I k and he waited for us to respond like what's up? We're gonna run the onside kick. All right. Let's do it. That was one of the best parts of seeing that Phillies special. Call just how casual Nick foles and Doug Peterson. Was you run to over crew? Hey, Phillies special of a three second pause from Doug Peterson. Let's do it. The best. You know? I it's so funny because I know exactly what they were feeling in that moment. When you're you're in the game, you're in control, you you're out there playing you can control a you got in your own destiny. But as a fan or someone watching just sitting there like this like oh. Are they gonna do, you know, you you kind of as a player you lose focus sometimes of the big picture because you're so caught up in this play. And I'll never forget when we're in the Super Bowl, and I'm going against pay manning. I was thinking about every film. I watched him first and second down what his tendencies were after a run its Tennessee after a pass where you wanna go. Well, where was Reggie Wayne lined up or if he's lineup over here. Then this is what they like to run. So when someone stopped and reminded me like, hey, we're about to win the Super Bowl that I stopped. And I was like, oh, wow. Yeah. You're right. Who are about is Super Bowl. I have to locked into what was going on. So that's why I usually just see those real nonchalant. Reactions like yeah. Okay. We'll do that. Okay. All right now, they're not feeling nonchalant and big d the Cowboys taking on the eagles Sunday night. Dow shit three and five they feel like they got the way of the world on her shoulders whereas eagles. Four and four and I would contend they're better than that. At a couple of late collapses. Of course that game against the Panthers as a terrible loss because it had the game ready to go. But they hold on against the Jaguars in London. And I feel like Philly who's now just one game back the Redskins. I still feel like this. And they're not this your we'll championship a year ago JV, but I think they're going to win the NFC east was Louis Riddick agreed with me on. And I think the Cowboys obtain right now, I didn't they get dummied. I don't even think it's a close game in Philadelphia Eagles hammer, you agree. I agree. The one the Cowboys are terrible on the road to a little news that went by unnoticed was that. Paul Alexander the offensive line coach for the Cowboys was fired during the bye week. And that tells you a little bit about the state of that of that team because the offensive line was supposed to be the strength of the Dallas Cowboys. So and you had the coach getting fired you have changes. And frankly, your coach only gets fired when your team your players aren't producing. So offense align is producing. Will. Dax Prescott isn't producing will. We have Zeki will. But he has a offense align to run behind. That's not that good. He's still doing a well, not great. And then frankly offense is boring. So you know, there there's too much going on. It's hard enough to win a game. If there's too much going on before with outside factors for them to even get ready to really win Phillies, all focus. They're locked in run the ball play action play good defense, and they'll win crazy thing you mentioned that offensive line, right? But a couple of years ago in Dacca and the Cowboys really feel themselves at great season. They had the offense of line on the best, you know, in history. Now, it's like that. That's one of many problems that ails this team. It just shows. How critical line plays an often goes undervalued by the average fan. I it really is. And the you always start to notice it when you see the quarterbacks getting rushed making Aaron throws. And that's when we start to knows what why is he making the errant though. And then you go back and watch film, you see. Oh, that's why offense align play. This is a blast Chevy. Thank him. A man why we're done already. I was gonna say two hours. Man you blink. And you missed it. You feel good. We need another hour. I'll tell you this workaholic he does get up eighty to our radio show Jonathan Vilma. You see him on ABC tomorrow. 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Adnan Virk and ESPN's Ivan Maisel and John Dahl

Sports Media with Richard Deitsch

1:13:50 hr | 10 months ago

Adnan Virk and ESPN's Ivan Maisel and John Dahl

"Gentlemen everybody. This is Richard Diaper. Welcome to the sports media podcast. My producer is always is Patrick Antonetti two segments this week three guests. I think you can enjoy this. I was Adnan virk. He has been on this podcast. Many many times always always he's fun always a ton of name dropping and people seem to enjoy our conversations he of course is the host of disowns change up that is their. MLB whiparound show host their boxing in coverage he's now also on the MLB network and has added the NHL Network and we get into a lot of things from the difference be differences between working at zone versus espn his over punish Minniti SPN while ESPN did not keep Ryen Russillo and we're zone might be heading in the future. I think you'll enjoy that conversation and after that it is Ivan May Zell and Jon Dahl of Espn Ivan Zell of course one of the foremost college football writers in the countries covered college football for ESPN since two thousand to Jon Dahl is an ESPN vice president of special projects and original content one of the point people behind thirty for thirty and that is a discussion based on all the content ESPN has for college football's. One Hundred Fiftieth anniversary season. They have a ton of stuff and really good stuff documentary style stuff including a couple of things that I saw on the integration of college football which were really really fascinating and well done. ESPN is also doing all sorts of greatest games. They have a panel to pick. you know the greatest players of all time so it's it's a sport obviously. ESPN is significantly invested in and they have thrown a ton investment towards that all right so I obeyed an virk and then Jon Dahl and I've been mays L. coming up on the sports media podcast all right as I said at the top Adnan virk. This guy has a lot of jobs now at this point. He's the host of zones change up. Which is there era. MLB whiparound show he's hosting their boxing coverage early some of their major fights he's a hosted the MLB network and now has added NHL network network to his resume so obviously I think people know add an for many appearances on this podcast as well as his long career. ESPN and you know one of the Great Canadian Indian icons of his time as well at virk joins us on the sports media Pakistan. Welcome back rich to quote Longley's brokeback mountain. I wish I knew how to quit you. This is a record breaking fifth appearance in your podcast right now to Mel Hill is furiously trying to contact your producer trying to book her next appearance with with the exception of John Oriented James Andrew Andrew Miller. There's been no greater friend of the podcast that me this is probably a sad statement for both of us but it is a thrill three and once again and of course let's make it clear. I'm only here because 'cause Marty. Brennaman did not come through for so listen. You're going to go from the reds iconic broadcaster to me congrats so there's a lot of truth there and let's let's hit some truths first off you at one one point one of the episodes. I did with you when I was at sports illustrated had the most download side ever had it was in the six figures which I still think had to be some kind of glitch but the fact is it exists so am I thought in terms of booking you after that massive six-figure podcast was all right this guy's gold for me. I'm GONNA be booking. This guy the downloads are we're GONNA come. You know s is GonNa. Pay Me extra well that turned out to be true cadence thirteen. GonNa give me a you know a big big castle in the sky well that they're in turn out to be true. What happened in and is every time? I've had you on since them. The downloads have dropped so is it a question of your lack of popularity or maybe I'm not doing as good a job. How would you How would you assess the fact that one time you know you were at like? Bill Simmons Ryen Russillo part of my take type levels and now you're now now. You're like you like a Schmo like me. I don't understand why as I fade into obscurity. I appreciate the fact you throw me a lifeline at least resuscitate my verbal an Iq a Q. At least out there in terms of the the public you rating but I will say this. You're right at one point. I was the number one podcast you had and living like a King I mean I was I was just gluttonous and and boastful useful and then one week later the Great Sean McDonough knocked me off that purchase or call six figures and the next week mcdonagh just dusted me so I can. I can never quite recover of course Sean on should be number one because he's the best and I did my impression free last time I will admit you're right about one thing which is that when I was on the last time I went from top. Billing in the first one was unlock them shared building. I was like the second guest on Colbert because there was me and my man Michael Lombardi together and as you pointed out when I was when I was pumping up sinophile listen cadence thirteen. They're so so happy to get me 'cause they gave me a home for sinophile during the GM shuffling as you know the GM chef oh Geez can subscribe to on Apple podcast doing great. I'm completely writing Lombardi's coattails because he's fabulous when it comes to the NFL he he just crushes people and speaks his mind and as you mocked me the last time it was on. You said you know they gave sinophile just because that's the throw in like they want to do the GM shuffling okay. We'll give you some. NFL to add sad for me to admit but you're absolutely right. I don't think Chris could care less about We need the subscriptions. Please help me out C. I N. Any P. H. E. Go to apple podcast subscribe to Senegal. You never have to listen to it but if you want to hear about the Irishman the new Scorsese Dinner Pacino film I gave a lengthy review spoiler for please. He's helped me out but it pays me to admit rich. You're right sinophile. we're on life support right now okay. Let's be honest listen. I'm with you because at one time I think when I was at SL was the bill of the cadence agents thirteen ball. Let's put this. I was like Tesco in Godfather Eight. We'll go. We'll go to basically now seriously. I'm like gunman number three for cadence thirteen. I I could not be further down the list. Your pockets will Lombardi is the bell the ball so me and you. It's you know we're both struck. We're like right right now. Tim Robbins Swim through that thing and Shawshank hoping maybe to get to the other side and maybe it'll be Chris Corcoran and Spencer Brown Zuzu Watson. Ao to to re up our podcast. We'll see what happens to your credit. At least you've always shelf those guys out like I. I like to listen to podcasts in their entirety so I I love to listen booger McFarland. He was tremendous Emma Bogus during the second for you but at the end you always mentioned John Mccain Chris Cork and like you make sure to give those guys love. I would think that should count for something. One of the things I've really enjoyed writing about when I'm writing for. The athletic is behind the scenes people producers. I find that actually a lot of times far more interesting than the than facing talent like yourself so whether it's Patrick Antonetti Nettie or Taranto Malegaon or Lou Pellegrino Myo producer like I I find those people far more interesting than you know the good hair crew like you and Chris Valor now go ahead ahead by the way here's another thing I wanted to get before you. Give Me Your Book Mcfarland Story. You Love Deniro. I Love Deniro. Have you ever cursed on a podcast. Have you ever draft a fuck. You like Deniro deal with Brian stelter the other day. I haven't reminds me of when Joe blocked was one of your I guess I want to say and I think you actually set him up go. Can you give me your favorite curse word. I I believe backdropped an f-bomb brand of the gate he did now. What is I mean. I know I unless this is sort of against her principles. What is your favorite curse word. my mom. My Mom and dad are going to listen to podcasts yeah so I don't. I don't feel like I WANNA be cursing but I listen the four letter expletive started with F for fits for so many different scenarios. Let me just say this. That is your mom and dad the chances of them listening to the sports media podcast literally are the same as like me flying on the Concorde John Skip come but I will say about when it comes swearing. I do remember this tip that Steve coolest toy this back when I was at the score because you know my buddies sitting Tim and Cabbie my whole crew from the score but coolest and we we used to have serious hardcore satellite Radio Richard Garner Cam Stewart etc and stuff on the score and he on the radio and you can curse here and Cooler said to me he goes was hey just because you can curse doesn't mean you should and I was like okay. He goes people view you a certain way this is Adnan Virk from court surfing and he's on TV and he's clean cut etc voltage are dropping episode kind of jarring and I will admit I do think there's something to that like when I heard buck cursing your podcast. I'm sure Joe Buck uses profanity but it's a little you know little jarring it I I I don't. I don't know if it's it's like you know endearing two summers off putting but I try to refrain by the way did I ever ask you about my God. No one's going to listen to podcasts because it's just way to sort of inside this podcast but did I ever ask you about how you felt about Jim. Miller the time right after your you're. I don't know how to describe it firing or leaving. ESPN when Jim Miller who is a very mild mannered guy like totally like went tarantino basically and just like blasting asking like curses left and right I couldn't that's a guy who I'd never heard drop an f-bomb and then Miller's like given fucks all over the place that was incredible. What I'll I tell you what happened. I had listened to Martian. Would Jimmy trainer. I'd correct me in the time line. I was fired on a Friday. Andrew writes it Sunday Sunday. Monday marshon was Jimmy. I believe Jim Miller was with you Tuesday so Mondays podcast. I remember listening to a Tuesday morning. I'm making eggs for my kids and it literally rich. It's like listen your own funeral because there were there were discussing me like in past tense like at one point Jimmy Nasty Andrew. What was you know what's what's the reaction been an interesting very well like I mean people like that and then these are good guys well like a good broadcaster. And what are his job prospects while they view him as this. I'm like I'm a past past person ocean like I'm no longer living like this is just too too surreal to listen to so then I had no interest in listening to anymore and I didn't want to go online and read stuff because Judah I both discussed test drive yourself mental. If you read everything people write about you the next day my friend Alpha Helwan Alpha message me and he goes. Hey you gotta be pumping your fist right. Now I go. What are you talking about. I'm I'm currently unemployed with four children changing diapers. I'm terrified. It's been traumatic experiences. What am I putting my fist about and he goes you. GotTa listen to Miller on this podcast and I said listen I just listen to one of these and you know all their SPEC engine Jimmy. I don't WanNa keep listening to people talk about me and I you know I've got lawyers. They've got I got another things to worry about but then what's actually listened. I said wow this is pretty papa because as you said Gyms are pretty mild mannered guy and it's not like I've ever met him before. I'd never you know sick. People thought we went to camp together but he was he was obviously very passionate and I appreciate both have you giving perspective. Which I think was very helpful. I don't again. You and I joke very self deprecating. He's listening to this but I I would hope that at least the way people viewed me those you listen to at least felt took some sympathy or at least at a at a bigger picture of what went down yeah listen that was Miller like capone walking around the table with the bat. I stayed basically stayed. I stayed stayed out of the way and just now that was downloaded podcast. Let me tell you I mean I cannot tell you how many people from ESPN and elsewhere listen to Ah Adam before we get into all your jobs at design. I do need to ask you this question. what is your reaction to the fact that there have been no leaks at ESPN since you left literally Komo News has gotten out of that place. I mean how do you how do you read. How do you react to that Adnan while listening you know I I said to Ben Strauss the Washington Post you know I I felt that you know the decision was made in part because they wanna make example me and you know even though as I stand by the fact I don't think that you know the punishment. Fit The crime and you know I thought it was a decision but yes to your point. I mean if somebody feels like hey. They're going to send a message ever since Verka clean things up and I guess clearly that would be in a row already Assad because the information is always going to be disseminated in whatever form people choose to do it. I mean listen. I'm totally being a dick but I can't tell you how much satisfaction enjoyment I get from tweeting out something to the effect of the great to see the leaks have ended in the Post Atkins Verkey or at ESPN literally like Nick that day there's a story clearly leaked by somebody at ESPN about one of their people for whatever reason so they you're correct it was an absurd decision by them and you don't have to comment on this and the punishment did not fit the crime and incredibly of ESPN's business has survived after that baseball tonight. Information formation got out there. I mean we're talking like you know Ukraine like level information out there but the the so there we go halo music and I'm excited about Randy music documentary podcast out now called long may they run which explores iconic touring bands which have had a lasting impact on music culture the industry they're fans and beyond the first season focuses on the legendary band fish and is now out on apple podcasts or wherever you're listening right now stick around because at the end of this episode will give you a sneak peek of what to expect in the series all right Adnan. Let us talk about something more positive and that is your big star turn now at his own. You have way too many jobs in my opinion opinion you you're you're hosting change up the MLB whiparound show you're in charge or you're charged with hosting the network's boxing coverage when triple g comes John then on top of that your hosting at the MLB network and now I've just heard that you that the NHL network onto your resume so in Your Post Espn World Dad Nan. It seems like things are going great for your incredibly busy and working for some you having some very interesting assignments yeah he's phenomenal rich. I gotTa tell you personally. I think professionally I'm having a blast man i. Let's go personally because as you know is a former guy I lived in New York. What a great city. This is and it's the best I now live in Hocus New Jersey in which is an incredible name. It is a real place it's right next to ridgewood birthplace the two year favorites Brian Williams and MSNBC Jason Heyward Chicago cubs but it's a wonderful the area very tranquil. We've been very walking by all the people there coaching one of my kids soccer games and scrape by nice lavish home and we're thirty five minutes from as you know one of the greatest cities in the world in Manhattan so personally were doing great and Alec Baldwin is a guy. I've always admired modest anger management issues. I don't WanNA fight people parking spaces but my goal was always to have more jobs. Obsolete kids just like Alec Baldwin. I believe his wife Hilarious now expecting their fifth so we are now at four boys so the verdict clan is always expanding but I'd like to have more jobs than children and incredibly incredibly as you mentioned. I've been blessed. Bill say that says you mentioned zone change upon zone which is our baseball show. The boxing coverage triple g the Saturday. MSG I'll be doing the canal fight as well in Las Vegas November second hosting that with a great team Brian Kennedy Sergio Mora Chris Mannix. You know maximus. I Todd Grisham I mean we have a great cloud trails and after that not as you mentioned MLB network today I'm actually hosting the rundown with Alexa Dat. WHO's a huge nationals fan so she's fired up after one? Dodo came through last night. I'll be doing a ton of MLB tonight's tonight's in October so postseason coach there and as you mentioned yesterday was the NHL Network Seminar saw hanging out with James coyle and Tony Lufkin and a fellow Canadian Jackie Redmond Exports Sports Net and got to see Mike rupp and Brian Lawton in the NHL crew in addition to that are cadence thirteen work the GM shuffled Lombardi and of course in a foul and I should also mention enrich. I'm out and also now freelancing MLB network radio on serious so actually I'll be on today from five to six PM solo hosting that show. I've got some more ships coming up there so and all doves dovetails back to one of our first conversations. was you asked me what is it like being a generalist at ESPN. What does that mean and I can now. Give you a better answer. which is that it's not not good because the world the world today now is very specialized? Nobody listens to top forty music. Nobody watches the evening news. It's really not anybody on the the age of forty. Let's say now it's got to be a specialist like the way baseball's become more specialized and a guy comes in just to face one bad or the next thing comes in the face one batter and you have guys surly homerun hitters similarly now in the world that we work you gotta be a specialist so it helps to be able to say. Adnan virk does baseball. MLB Network Zone MLB network work radio on Sirius he also likes the NFL podcast Lombardi he also likes boxing with his own he also likes the NHL Network and it'll be an angel network our partners and and all of our studio radio coverage here for disown is done through. It'll be networking it. You'll never so that partnership. Is there but you know in the past if used to what's that guy doing. Espn College Football College basketball baseball and fills in the radio yeah golic and Wingo. He's buddies Russillo. I don't think it works man. It's a better way now to be able to say you're specialists. This is what this guy focuses on people are not listing on the radio to to like I said top forty. They WanNa hear ninety nine. They want to hear simply Sinatra. They WanNa have the stuff that they do so I've been very blessed and very lucky man and then what what are the outside of the fact that obviously is just it's far less people it's a smaller operation what are the differences between working for zone and working at ESPN well. It's interesting you know as you know I had to relatively humble beginnings even though I was born in Toronto I grew up in a small town for ages eleven to eighteen. I lived in more more of an Ontario population. Five hundred our neighbors were livestock so when I actually you know worked it in Sports Television was amazing to me ever got a job at the score that I ever worked for Maple Leaf Sports and entertainment raptors. TV leaves TV it was so good and then to work at US pin. Which is the biggest behemoth on the block for nine years. I mean it's incredible like you're living a dream life but we're some it might say oh. He's he's taking a step back. No by going to zone I look at one of John. Skippers coach. I think was fabulous and listen skippers while the all time greats I mean you. You should have him on the podcast. You Know How oh engaging is. You know the way talent speaks about him. He's just a fun guy to listen to and let's let me just stop you there. I've been down this road. Zone Zone knows that I that I'm going to ask disc- or would ask skipper certain questions. That podcast is not happening so I appreciate you. You know you're you're putting your Greg Domino the guy's name well. Let's do I pronounce Greg's last name. No you're right greg. Domino Crystal Gentle are great. Pr Team very trailer jets. I will say this. Let me say something about gentle and I think you'll agree with me. Doesn't that guy look like an actor like he's. He's he's sort of far to wait. You can his art yeah yeah. He's got too much of a presence to be a PR guy he should. I feel like that guy should be in like the hunger games four or something like attack you agree impeccable bone structure like he's got like a very face. He's got great hair. You're right what he's A. PR guys well. These people are pretty good looking like you're. You're in trouble guys care but he's he's like. He's like from from district one of the hunger games. If you remember the hunger games where they you know they breed the incredible humans that's Chris. I feel like anyway go. I digress favor of Zone. PR WITH YOU'RE NOT GONNA talk about Bill Hall of Famer Crystal. I liked it. I will say this this. This podcast is a little like bill farmer praising everybody but that's just you anyway. I interrupted you about you. Were in the middle of basically proclaiming John Skipper to be Malala Allah and that Great Swedish climate change activists so can go like I said John had a quote and one of the articles about what she said you know there's a lot more fun and being an insurgent rather rather than being an incumbent and I think that's a wonderful turn of phrase which is also accurate so when you go from being one of the big boys in the block to all of a sudden being someone who's trying to storm the gates and trying to charge up the castle missile. There's something enervating about that. There's something energizing about. You feel rejuvenated by it's okay. This is a fresh challenge. We can tackle here. Let's try to chip away this building mortar by mortar so I think with zone as you might imagine. It's more laid back. It's more freewheeling they're more open to ideas and creativity. it's certainly an environment which I think fosters all those things and worked with a guy named Scott Rogowski who's a comedian like I worked with former analyst guys like Aaron Boone and Alex core managers and you know very talented is I work with Jesse Palmer and Joey Galloway and I've worked with fellow anchors people that I love MACs Brett Steve Weissman flourishing tennis channel Max by the way doing great with L. AFC Z. and soccer but I've never actually worked with a comedian five days a week like literally Rogowski comes out. He's like Deniro in the Music Rupert Pumpkin this king accommodate. He just comes out here. Looking to drop bombs is every day and in addition to being a diehard baseball fan and a guy who loves the sport particularly you know. Louis collected cards his whole life which is now respect my love of the fact that somebody early nineties cards by the way if anybody has any early nineties cards gives me those are all worthless oversaturation. They made a way too many cards. That's where the market completely so. I was county. Where it's this is going to get my kids through college. August nineteen ninety-one upper debt collection is worth nothing so that's good to know but it's been fun man like like. I said they let us do a lot of things and I think the CO partnership it'll be never has really worked and I think you know that you're starting something new. You gotTa have some fabric in place again. You're going to have some mortar and foundation so it wasn't just like hey disowns. Start this baseball going away. We go no. It's a co-production. MLB Network so we're going to have Harold Reynolds and Dan please and Mark Derosa and all those types of guests were already here in the building just popping by making appearance so it's not only been skipper Jamie Horowitz who have been obviously guys I know in great to work with but also you know Robbery Day Patterson all the MLB crew and again you were going to mock me for for throwing bouquets of flowers but when I started at ESPN unknown commodity right just Canadian fifty anchors. You're just trying to find a path you can swim in and and hopefully things will work out you don't ruffle feathers and Oh my God. There's Chris Permanent Hallway. I just want to say hello to him and the Mike Greenberg getting knows powder they don't Wanna be too obtrusive. Hello here here like everybody couldn't have been more welcoming. Chris rose got my number from somebody texted me right away Lor Shahad. He's wonderful she. DMZ right away. Here's my number. anything you need. I know you've got kids. Greg Ham singers hilarious every time I see him. Holly makes me laugh. Kelly Nash I mean everybody here has been so warm and welcoming so it's a really interesting combination of not only what I experienced visit us. Pin because by the way there's a lot of people here a lot of the producers courting producers making jokes about Bristol Connecticut. We all can relate to you know the exciting. I don't WanNa hurt the tourism of Central Connecticut but just the fact that you know if not the most populous happen place and now all of a sudden we're thirty minutes from New York City but there's a lot of ESPN folks here as I see peace and producers by the way that's a testament to espn the kind of talent that they break particularly behind the scenes that so many people ended up taking the smarts and the skills they learned to come over here and and operate so it's been in a really good mix man MLB network zone of of New People and like I said my crew Rogowski Lauren Gardner. I don't know how much barbecue guys Jordan Jake but anybody who says baseball's dying or baseball. Baseball is not good for you know young people those guys in their early twenties. There's big baseball fans as as I've ever met so. We're having a blast yeah. I stopped listening to answer after like the fifth namedrop to be very honest all right the Let me ask you this though do you do you miss the scale at all of the ESPN. Obviously his own has an audience and they're growing and Yada Yada Yada but at the end of the day you know when you're on espn the one thing that you know is that you know you're reaching thou- hundreds the two thousands of people if not millions sometimes depending on your product or showing that you're part of the conversation of sports daily so what's that been like maybe it's not bad for you because you're older and sort of settled in your career your I think for all of us as we get older our ego channels down a little bit but what's happened like what's it been like to sort of lose the scale of an ESPN well like I said there's only one of US plan right. Everyone knows those are the big boys on the block and and surely those four four-letter will always get someone's attention. Even my wife joked me the other day. She's you know before I could just tell the neighbors you work. You see their faces light up now if I zone. What is that okay. It's a streaming service. They explain more things right. MLB Network Okay. They understood the baseball. Jim Okay great but I I completely with you on the age aspect I think if I was thirty it definitely would have affected not my ego more and I said Oh my God like once I was. I would think Sinatra right. That's life you know riding high in April shot down in May and I think Oh my God no one's ever GonNa know me. I'm going to live a life of obscurity ready but as I mentioned bread is I mean I saw yesterday in Manhattan and we went to some bar right around Union Square and Diego the guys in the restaurant recognized me allergy on TV guy from ESPN on my friend. We'll just go ahead and let this ride for a little while but it's not like people will forget you but the equivalent I make it to his acting right there actors who have a hit TV show for five or six years years and they never reached that high so the rest of their lives book. Oh you're Jason Priestley. You're from Beverly Hills now too well even though he did a show called call me. Fitz big hit and Canada my friend Hussein was great on it. preseason is now in the rebooted differently hills. Whatever it is people will recognize you for some signature property which did very well. Rogowski was the host h Trivia which was a massive hit. Literally hundreds of millions of people were watching it so he's writing an airplane the other day and he said Mark Sanchez recognized him and like Oh yeah you already. SPN Now all right. What am I doing. This change of Shali alleged trivia guy so I think if I'm younger maybe to affect my ego more when you get older less a man. I just want to have a job. That's fun. I WANNA be able to work with people that I enjoy. I WANNA make sure my family's taken care of financial security etc and I wanna be a part of something. That's growing so I I understand the question. I completely agree with you that I think if I was younger two different place place in my life maybe maybe if they didn't have kids right singled affect me more. I wouldn't have as much happiness with my family and and other things that are more important just how people are watching and the one thing I'll say this about ratings ratings and people watching and you know this as well as I do. I get to host the College Football National Championship Post Game. Show right. There's no game day after the game the our show me and Jesse and joey the Danny Canal and Joey we would do cashable files so someone said hey man you get to host the post game show after the College Football playoff. That's great and we would host the halftime the cotton bowl and got five million people watching all right but nobody gives you a bonus or the rating point. You know what I mean. Nobody says right because virk was the host. You're getting X. amount of dollars the Credo always always at ESPN and they were correct which was people are watching the Games. They're not watching it for you. Now you can perhaps enhance the experience or supplemented but I remember Tariq. Oh sit in your pocket years ago. He was Bang Bang on because listen to the most important persons the analyst and those those situations the second most important is the producer the third most important is the host so I mean virk was very irrelevant to those numbers being raked in and yeah I guess it's cool but I'm going to subway and the guys recognizing he saw me hosting Notre Dame halftime but it doesn't actually equate in terms of either financial rewards awards or whatever awards we're looking for so I agree with you that it's a pertinent question. It's not something that's really affected me. I'll be honest. No I think that's a I feel like that's a That's a pretty good answer. One of the things that I think people are curious about a disown and obviously this would be more of a question for the skipper. Level is their interest in expanding into other sports whether it be the NHL obviously the dream is the NFL one. Do you get a sense that this is going to happen. In two in terms of being a talented this place would that give you thought to try to stay for a while in the event that they go beyond their boxing inventory story right now and they go beyond their changeup shows sort of the wraparound show and maybe one day disown. Has You know it's never going to be the big package in the NFL never going to be the big package in the NHL but if you guys get some live content. I feel like you'd be in a great position to maybe host that package and you know that then really I feel like changes the equation. That's where audience may come. Oh I agree man. I think it'd be a dream if we can get the NFL. I mean we can be perfectly candid about it. There's there's no bigger sport in the country and and obviously I love the sport during the Lombardi and we do have as you know. NFL writes back home in Canada and I've been very you know four hundred talking to Jimmy. Horowitz and our folks are listening to those yeah I can do if I can cover the super bowl for zone Canada. If I can do hits for red zone packed up. They're like I love to do it. Flying Upper I can do it here from Secaucus New Jersey and because I I love the sport and I wanna be a part of it and you're right if dissolving streaming rights the NFL or live rights to games. Whoever could be I'm with you. I think that's a game changer. I think already with boxing you've seen that we've made a sizeable imprint by getting such big names but but absolutely if he can get full it'd be great and again. I think it helps them having bosses who know your pedigree so since I've got guys who know my work John Skipper and Jamie Horowitz and they're well aware of what I've done I I'm with you. I would think if we got an. NFL packaged clearly virk has done this. He's got a reputation. We you know we trust him and you know he's not. GonNa make a mockery of the product they'll have followed it and be a professional so I agree with you man. I hope but they comes to be great and let me ask you. Let me give some Let me get the listeners. There's little inside baseball here. We were supposed to start this podcast about twenty five minutes before it did. Have you gotten to the point where you know so you feel like you're star about the level of Berman a musburger a scully where you can you can make your own schedule you calm and do a podcast when Adnan virk wants to do a podcast why I wish it said Overman. 'cause you know he's my broadcasting is on the guy most revere so yeah. I at the level of Keith no never because no one other be him Musburger Nell again. He's in a different level. I don't think we're quite where you're reaching but we're definitely upward trajectory like in the past that first time the the podcast. Is You know I came to New York City to meet you. I was there in person. I wanted to make sure the audio quality was good. I got my eight hours or so nice right now. I'm in my office. You know trying minded multitask here putting stuff for the rundown on the landline on my pullover. Sillo on you at one point zero. GotTa get into some gym time. So yeah says has my pedigree become inflated flavor along with my ego. I would say the answer to that is yes by the way let's talk about. Russillo first second sure their first of all. There's a guy who espn totally. I mean mean you. WanNa talk about a talent that they blew it on like multiple times they didn't they had no clue what kind of audience this guy had and how many people were interested in his content. I on the radio and then on audio they totally basically gave Stephen. A Smith is time slot. and SORTA gave Stephen in a favored nation status in lieu of Russillo. They never really figured out how to use the guy now he goes to the ringer and obviously is writing screenplays and stuff and and he's got like one of the top five or ten podcasts out there. It's clear he's got a massive audience. That's one that they blew. I mean whether you like Russillo or not. Whether you like is is content whether you think he's interesting or whether you think he's sort of like you know then overgrown Frat boy the point is he's got a big audience and people like what he has to say and I I find him honest. I've talked to many times you know sort of off line and and feel like he's pretty self aware even of his own bullshit at times but how they blew that out now I mean I've seen things they blew youtube but that's one. They had a guy right in front of them. who had a big audience and the demo they want and they let them walk out the door? That's that's. That's a mess to me yeah. The two words come to mind rich when it comes to Ryan are perennially underrated. He was the guy that you say in many ways. He's a glue guy there. He could literally do any radio show in the building and is he told me many a time working in sports media and you now know this doing radio whether it's you know whether it was with Bob McCowan or whether it's with Jeff Blair whomever it is is now that the Dave Canoas Gotcha the rotation you know that it's a lot easier to get somebody tabatha tennis ball back and forth with when you're solo it's incredibly difficult and Ryan could do as low show he could could play with Van Pelt. He could be leading the show. If I was there. It could do it with canal like those you on different hats that you're wearing within a medium that I think you and I both agree is more challenging as you said degree of difficulty if you're teaching students who Jim McMahon what's easier TV anchor a radio host your radio. I mean that end the the the name drops at this point I'm impressed that you you have you are going really deep. When you drop a Jane McManus that's going deep and she was the last of the podcast I know you guys are good friends by the way one time I got you always know this the the big how to my life working at ESPN was I got to fill in for over my fill them from twenty-five shows his show on ESPN two one time we had Jane McManus's a guest when she walk in the studio and you see the giant sign Obermann and you see my stupid face sitting there you could make a movie about the look of sadness on her face. I don't often news she. She was Crestfallen when she saw my face and I'm sorry I mean you know on the one hand. I guess if you like this stuff. You're getting some nice airtime on ESPN but yeah. I mean if I'm I'm not listen. I respect over my career but I'm not like you. I'm not I'm not genuflecting the guy walking down the street but maybe if you're Jane McManus and you go to your first Oscar Party and you're hoping to sit next to a Michelle pfeiffer surely star on or Meryl Streep and you know you end up would the kid from what's that Ed O'Neill show with all the modern little kid from yeah. You're a little kid for modern family. I mean Yeah Nice. Actor seems like sweet kid but you know you want. You want streep right. You want you want to beat the kids table. So I can understand. I can definitely appreciate by the way James still knocks at the parks. He was a consummate pro but but back to listen. He's so happy rich. I'm GonNa do is podcast actually tomorrow so you can go ahead and call me a punk ass horror. At this point Ryan y you know he wants to talk with the Irishman which he's read the book would by Charles Brandt just Andrew Bryant by the way speaking of names love him. He's a huge federal guy like me. Everytime federal presenting Andrew Brand is right there with me between the entire time. We're still pissed about you know. Do you know your boy your boy Michael Wilbon basically in like twenty tenths at federal was done or twenty. Wait or something like literally like I said. That's it no more for. Federer he's he's done. I think he's literally one like ten Grand Slams after after Michael Woman and by the way speaking Ryen Russillo pillow that listen no one's going to listen to this ad and I'm going to be very honest but the the the Russillo one beyond your game for that because that's hundreds of thousands of listeners owners which one could sell some zone subs but two more importantly might help you with the cadence. Thirteen crew has sinophile. You might be able to get some people to push over there. They're right and I listen. I know we're still likes baseball but I don't think he really wants to ask me my thoughts and the braves bullpen. I think he really just wants to talk about movies and whatever else she's into. Maybe we'll talk a little bit raptors. Hopefully we get some. NBA stuff over zone. That'd be nice by the way what's it like living in the city of champions. You're living in the city of champions of the raptors now. It is a great city. Can you talk a little little media though I feel like that. Would I think people really dig that to hear you and Russillo Talk Sports Media. You guys both have very interesting stories. I think so knowing we're still again as you said what's another word that that comes to mind with. Russillo honest like he's unvarnished he he will let you know his opinion and if I say hey right. I think you're friendly underrated. ESPN I'm sure he will take that meat off. The bone started chewing because I with you man. He's a super town and and again. Here's the thing as you pointed out. What do you like them or not is immaterial. The point is this look at his downloads like look at his popularity populated you you can tell people all right. The proof is in the pudding and his numbers are undeniable. That is a very popular guy. Whatever you got to save people are into yeah and I will say this. This is way back in the day but the podcast I had him on with it was almost like a therapy session rooms one of the best podcast they ever did because it just felt like a guy guy who was just sort of letting out and not that he was going scorched earth there was sort of like a combination of therapy and and sort of stream of conscious honesty. I I enjoyed that always appreciated Russillo. Doing that in my pocket are at Adam because she was so late I have to go. Is there anything else that you WANNA promote or. Is there anything else you you want to mention. Normally I WOULD WANNA go forty fifty minutes with you but but I cannot do that because of your you know your your favorite of How do I set a phrase your head of state like behavior earlier Can we just discuss very quickly. Bianca address you all right speaking of tennis tennis. There's royalty and I'm so happy and so probably a tennis champion all those years rich. I was proclaiming the Greatness of Daniel Nestor in doubles action dropping Carling Bassett Sagoo so on on the people we thought Genie Bouchard next no Bianca did she. D- throws Serena right here at the US Open in Queens. It was incredible on the great moments as a Canadian made in tennis fan. I never thought I'd see it. It was awesome and I was told you or big. Greg Rudetzky Fan they once from England one. That's gotta be from six zero and McCallum by the way. Why weren't you at cabbies wedding my dear friend. I've known for twenty three years went to college together at Ryerson. When I went to his wedding back in August in Toronto. It was like the sports media dinner. Are you kidding we had we had in the past two. Stanislavsky Kate Bernez Tim McAuliffe. I mean all of us can sneak in an invite here now. First first of all I mean those are very well-known people in Canada. I'm not part of that. that group but I have gotten to know some sports people like Carly Agro and Caroline Camera Dan and obviously you know McCowan and Blair and Stephen Braun so yeah I mean my my my Kinney. I'm getting to know some of the the major players in Canada but no I'm not at that level where I'm going to get invited to to anyone's wedding but those are some good names. I you know I I'm Kinda surprised at Cape UNIS has not left Canada for the state's seems like to me that I could see her if she was interested in making that jump through it although and I've had this conversation Julie Stewart binks you as well it is total bullshit that unfortunately to Canadian sports media people buy into that somehow. You have to go to the states to make it. It's all it's all bullshit. It's sports net and TSN. They're doing the same stuff that ESPN does doing with incredibly talented people. Maybe the money's a little bit last but you're working in a green environment. You're incredible city in Toronto. I mean come on you would give up Toronto to live in the you know to to live in Jimmy Petar rose out the house. I mean that's crazy to me well. We mentioned Jewish drippings by the way prompster. I'm GONNA do her show. In a couple of weeks. Continue my media blitz her show on for you. Call it a tonight with Julia Stewart Banks Brennan's. Did it last night some doing that in a couple of weeks but you're right. There's unfortunate Canadian inferiority complex. You never really made it unless you did it in the states which is ridiculous. Every time I go back home visit my parents and maple. I love watching the national for years Peterman's. There's now it's my man in handyman sing. That's the best news show going. I said you can throw up. CNN The national and CBC is as good as it gets. If you want informed smart reporting. It's great agreed amazing. It's amazing yeah. I'm with you again. I I feel like I have a unique perspective as as an American now living in Canada that that whole inferiority complex. I'm only speaking specifically to broadcast. I'm not gonNA make any generalizations. It's all bullshit. It's all bullshit if you've made it in Canada at at like one of these highest levels of sports that you have made it so you don't need to go to espn to host college football. Li- like three thirty like you did on Saturday so you can talk for the eighteen thousand time but Washington state not by the way somebody somebody actually that the other day they go you missing college football. I'll let you in on a little secret here. I wasn't the biggest fan okay. I was Kinda miscast. I'm a Canadian from Ontario I didn't I didn't grow up with the iron. Bowl like reese. Davis just did whatever you know. Leave fitting a bill graph told me to do but no I. I I always felt miscast is to your point. Maybe it's better to be an area. I grew up in baseball and hockey here. I am. MLB NETWORK NHL Network disown etc cheer points very very hard to go do something else James Deputy that years ago. I don't know how you do that college football. I don't even know where all MRS on the map aren't at and listen. I give this appearance. It'd be plus. It was very sal. Maybe even in a mine is I mean a lot of name dropping and that's going to be very difficult for my listeners to take but you brought energy as you always wrote enthusiasm you as you were willing to talk about. ESPN and some of the nonsense went on there you gave us some insight into Russillo and others and I appreciate it very much. I thought you'd be really happy by the way with the Andrew Brandt mentioned. I thought that was a pretty good one not bad I I always I feel like a Michael. McCann mentioned would have been a little more obscure but brandon. I will give you a McCain because he gets ahead in the midst of everything I was going through. That was a very surreal moment. I said I'm Michael mckerrow article examining the brick legal case. There's no my God Michael. McCain is devoting you know five thousand words to it's not going to send this to my lawyer. This is good stuff from again. I know we used to do that all the time basically if I can get McCann on ESPN piece. One of me look smarter into. I know bothers the hell out of Bristol. So was fantastic alright. Adnan virk is the host of the zones change that is their. MLB WHIP AROUND CIA. He's hosting the network's box coverage whenever triple G or whoever else Elsa John Skipper has paid is fighting. He's he's got the MLB network gig. He's doing MLB network radio. He has coming up the NHL Network where where he will be a host. He has the Lombardi podcast. What is the name of that again. I M shuffle the shuffle and then he has sinophile so I mean he has an incredible media empire going with one of our favorite guests on this podcast. I'm excited to see his success continue and invert. Thank you very much for joining me today on the sports media podcast. You're a good man rich. I appreciate we got more downloads than bugger. I've been Maysville has this covered college football for ESPN since two thousand and two he I think it's formal title is senior writer and you can find his work on ESPN DOT com as well as sort of all all over ESPN's audio and digital television initiatives also on ESPN radio and podcasts and for anybody who is a college football fan. I'm listening to this podcast. They know one of the most respected college football voices in the country. John Dall is in ESPN vice president of special projects and original content content this nothing better than ESPN executives who have seriously the longest titles in the history of the medium John Those a good guy he's long been associated with ESPN films and for years was one of the point people on thirty for thirty. I talk to him many times a very very talented guy and we welcome both I then and John into the sports media podcast guys thank you very much for Poppa you got one of Jonathan Bristol today Ivan in Mobile Alabama Bama and John. I'm going to start with you the reason I have you guys on is what espn sort of doing for College football's One hundred fiftieth anniversary anniversary season and it's very impressive the amount of resources that you guys have put towards this. I mean it is numerous humorous. I could sort of give a recitation for all the content that you have planned. I think it probably would be better coming from USA. LemMe sort of just. Let's just start with an overview review as best as you can. What is sort of the company's overview regarding the content that you're putting out to celebrate or signify college. Football is one hundred fiftieth anniversary season well. I mean we've had the support from their early early days. It goes back honestly six years I was finishing up the book of Manning documentary that we were doing and taking note of the one hundred decals on the helmets of the players and Archie Manning's era and decided to look into that what was what was that all about and and soon learned about the Centennial College football being celebrated in nineteen sixty nine and honestly at that point just did a little math added fifty and saw that twenty nineteen could be a great opportunity at some pinpoint to do something really special something unprecedented around college football and the story of one hundred fifty years of the sport. It's a sport like unlike any other in our country and and so it was it was years in the making what we're doing now with. Espn College football one fifty literally years in the making to get to where we are now with all the content and there was a point point where I I was going independently of Ivan Ivan as it turned out was aware of this anniversary and was on his own track thinking about in some point he and I were brought together to to take out to the next level and that's what we did I I emailed John Skipper a January twenty fourteen and said hey not for nothing but five years from now when do you want me to start annoying you about this and and he wrote back immediately and said great idea three years out and so I just my thumbs for a couple of years and then somebody David Duffy who's been my editor for many years a terrifically talented guy said hey I think Jon Dahl sniffing around one fifty and that was the early two thousand sixteen so John and I found one another and started planning and spit balling all right this this is either for either of you but to give the listeners who haven't seen the content and a sense of what's out there. I mean again as an overview there. Are I mean a number of documentaries that sort of focused on different themes of college football whether you know integration you know players games etc.. There's audio stuff. There's clearly and I even if you want to go into this you can there's a committee that you guys have that. Essentially is sort of I guess deciding the greatest players in the history of the sport of the greatest games in the history of the sport and if you're in espn consumer seems that you can get this on multiple mediums. I can sort of start with you. I've and you want to sort of give a little bit of a breakdown of what people can find and where the hallmarks of of the project there are three television series Tuesday nights on ESPN the American dame eleven weeks series. We explore different themes of the game each week rather than deal with the sport chronologically. integration was this week. We've we've done the evolution of the sport. We've done the culture of the sport. Why people came to it. You know coming up. We've got everything from the relationship between colleges and the pros to rivalries two games of the century to the heisman. There's eleven weeks on Thursday nights. There's a half hour shows shows the greatest which we take a thing a category related to that theme and we have we assembled a panel of eleven. Espn College football experts and we debate the greatest feeling like this week related integration was the greatest inspiring moments which we decided that Ernie Davis winning the Heisman the first African American at Syracuse in nineteen sixty one the greatest inspiring inspiring moment you are feel free to differ the SEC network is doing a eight week twelve our history of the SEC chattered as in the south for its Mitchell directing. It's a very good. Each of these series is very different than approach which is a nice nice way to to create the mosaic. This is more Ken Burns in approach by Fritz Mitchell who is just so talented supposedly big TV projects. I did a podcast series down in distant all of which have dropped eight different stories about the history of the game we and as you alluded to we are we assembled a panel of one hundred fifty people in the sport former coaches this players administrators writers broadcasters and we've had them select the hundred and fifty greatest programs which we posted earlier are the season we've got coming up greatest games the greatest coaches and the greatest players and alongside within end vote of one hundred fifty greatest players. We had them select from that vote. We are assembling the all time all America team twenty five. The players wanted each position John. What did I leave out well. I mean yeah you hear a popular numbers here. I eleven in one fifty. I mean eleven haven't we went with eleven not as an Ode to spinal tap but really that's football them eleven on offense Lebanon defense so when we couldn't get to one fifty with something we we would set off and on eleven so Yeah we've got one hundred and fifty greatest teams players coaches games the all time all America team but yeah those those greatest I episodes are all about top eleven's and at the core of it to is this notion of wanting to have a hundred and fifty days of original content so one hundred and fifty consecutive days from August seventeenth as it turned out Saturday that was convenient through January thirteenth twenty twenty when the CFP championship the game is played. We've got original content every single day as part of that and the film event that that I've been alluded to as big the eight part twelve hour our history of Sec Football Saturdays in the south is huge and that takes a more chronological approaches. I haven't said we've got the two DOCU series eleven weeks each we also had an opening opening and closing documentary directed by John Hawke of thirty for thirty fame. John did the football as us the college game documentary to lead us off on on that week's zero where we had a special opening to the season a week earlier than normal when Miami and Florida play. We had a doubleheader that day game day at Disney we had to close the the documentary John Hawkes documentary to close out the day that didn't even exist you know a year ago or any other season season so we have a closing dock from John as well football us college player so all in all. It's over thirty eight hours of original content that rolling out yeah listen to this. It's very ambitious and very impressive. I saw the ah told US diving before we take. I saw the American game integration episode which was really really interesting. well-done honest you know whether Todd Boyd or same Cunningham Sylvester croom. I really really interesting for fans. It gives them a sense. I think my only criticism so far I've been in this project is this is too many. ESPN or spacecraft. Let's let's let's drop. Some people share the honestly honestly honestly Richard. I've had people then. The company complained to me that they weren't included so go yeah of course well. I mean there's as you you know Ivan. There's no paranoid and insecure profession more than the sports so that's more than the boys are so here's John. I want to ask skew this when you take on some kind of undertaking like this. No one has any idea of how many people truly sort of company work on it so so two questions here one. You'll certainly answer and the other dance around but that's okay. I WANNA I WANNA know. Can you give me a sense of how many people at ESPN have been or are working on this or have worked on this and then secondly because there's so much content and because a lot of the content that you're doing and I I give you guys total props on this is because of the quality of the content into educate the consumer and to pay tribute to the sport. You know it's probably hard to monetize all this so part. One is how many people worked on all this and then the second one is like how do you monetize this investment and and can you really monetize well. It's it's hard to quantify exactly how many people have worked on it for a couple of reasons. One is we've had so many people touch this project over the years going back to the early days as when I was first talking to rob temple and Connor shelve course my thirty for thirty comrade and and Burke Magnus and so many others Nick Dawson listen all these people over the years but then there's a point where we got together you know content heads from throughout the company to brainstorm ideas concepts sits. How do we want to tackle this. I you know all along. We had a vision that we wanted to commemorate the Sport and one hundred fiftieth anniversary but it's not just a pure celebration. We'll deal deal with all the issues that relate to college football so that was a big core part of what we put together and so so many people have helped us develop get to this point Robert Abbott with somebody I consulted with who directed the last days of night film so many people have touched this Kate Leonard. you name it. I it's just it's an endless list. Most awesome people have touched over the years. Now we have a core team but we're also working with production companies Herzog and company WHO has produced the American game and the greatest series they did the CNN decades series. They did a history of comedy the history of movies they've done such great work. That's where they got my attention with their success with like the sixties for example the nineteen sixty eight four partner they did you know they have a lot of people just within their own house working on this Fritz Mitchell in poker others and Aaron Cohen and the people working king on Saturdays in the south. There's lots of people working on that so there there's a lot of people I mean to try to qualify. It's probably people have touched his products over a hundred hundred at some point and I think had influence on it one way or another as far as monetize it. you know our sales team has actually done a terrific job as Liza Faulk Look Theresa Palmeri Rob Temple in the early days. I you know we were very much interested in having presenting sponsorship for various you know hallmarks marks of of the content and and we have that so we have in that sense being able to monetize it. I think one that always appealed to me about doing something like this is I. I go back back to the days of sports century I was I'm heavily influenced by my time on sports century. Mark Shapiro ran that two decades ago and we rolled out over fifty hours of content back then on the twentieth century and sports coach and so you know the ambitions were high to do something like that here but you're also looking at. Can we monetize it. We'll we'll. We have people on board. How important is it to our company company. just look at the investment. ESPN's had in college football over the decades now ABC look at how far back ABC goes with college football into the sixties so so I thought it was important project for the entire company quite honestly and and I think I think what we're doing now reflects that for flex that priority I've got to content questions for you or content related questions first one is and you know any of us who worked at big sports organizations love the the you know the having the opportunity to decide on all decade team or all century team and things like that and you know fortunate enough to work at a place where people read read it when being part of any of these committees to decide on the sport's greatest players over a hundred and fifty years I wonder if you give me some insight into how people discussed and talked about comparing players from different eras like how do you make the judgment judgment on. Let's say somebody who dominated the fifties who there's no chance they are sort of a better pure athlete than somebody playing in twenty nineteen yet statistically for their era they were. They were incredible. I'd be curious to just sort of you know how you guys might have discussed and debated. You know something like you know. Glenn Davis of army versus Jalen Hurts Savannah and my philosophy and John agreed with me and and I don't even know who came up with it I but what we decided was. We're not GONNA put any rules on on how people decide. Let's just pick the right people to decide and let you know and and do a you know when you see it philosophy and just if you WanNa if you WANNA say okay well red grange wouldn't be very good right now so I'm not going to vote for and that's up to you if you WANNA take red grange in his element and how great he was compared to everybody then and apply cloud that versus Jalen hurts and how great is now. You know that would be my preference and that seems to me the most logical thing but we didn't and we didn't instruct people to do that. I've and you're one of the really good people to ask this because you're born in Mobile Alabama yet yet. You have traveled around the country. You're a graduate of Stanford. I know that you worked for Newsday for a couple of years. So I imagine you must have lived in New York City for a little bit so you you have you know obviously so your son in the south but yet you've lived in the northeast went to school in the West so you have a real sense of you know real sense of sort of the country. Why in your lifetime covering college football has the sports sort of gone from more regional to two more national in your opinion why it's not just my opinion. I think it's a fact when the Supreme Court case yeah that's right courts nineteen eighty-four which took the control of television rights away from the NCAA and gave it to the individual schools and then everybody gets rather than as when I grew up and when John grew up there was one or two games at most on television a week so there were it was a regional sport you you watch you listen to you and watch you listen to the teams in your conflict. once everybody they began to be on television then it became a more national sport and with the advent of the playoff. Richard both the BCS listen now the College Football playoff it then became important at the University of Washington what happened at Ohio state and it was and to a high of state it was important what Alabama did and so all of a sudden. The nature of the Horse Rights made the sport and much much more national national entity. I don't think it's any coincidence that in the last thirty years Notre Dame has not won a national championship when they when they were the only national national school they want a lot of them and then and it was a vote then until it was a popularity contest and a lot of ways but which would lend itself to being the only national school. Ooh now that there are a lot of national schools. It's harder for Notre Dame to get some top one more for you. Ivan and then you guys can sort of both answer the funnel on in the course of your career. Ivan and I asked this sort of and let the audience sort of acknowledged you work at ESPN so access zest for you is going to be at a different level than than other people but from the from the start of your career Ivan today. How would you evaluate the level of access for people covering the Sports College football. Where where was it then? Where is it now. Compare and contrast asked if you could. I always find that kind of interesting when I talked to people who've been in the business for a well. I think it was better when I started in nineteen eighty eighty seven at the Dallas Morning News when I started covering college football there than it is now. I think it was better than than it had been before. It was almost like there was window where we just have more access. and I don't really know why it was more available than you know to your point about me being at ESPN the great I I've had the great fortune of being in the right places you know when I was at the Dallas Morning News having come from New York orc where I was a fact checker at us. I I haven't covered college football and I didn't know anybody but coaches return my phone calls because I was a national writer later and because they wanted to recruit that Louis so they wanted their name in the Dallas Morning News so my access has always been better than it should have been both there than news day and then when I came back outside and now DSP end. I've always been at places where people wanted to talk to me A- and I'm not egotistical enough to think it was because of my charm and good looks you know but you you know so even you're charming and you're good looking guy. Thanks John. I'm blushing. varies is there is less access now because coaches can get away with it. They don't need the writers the way they used to they can as as with politicians as with CEO's they can go direct to consumer and are in a lot of ways not so much axworthy spn it may have accelerated ESPN's because our you know position but I think they They don't need the media the way they used all right John. Let's finish with this an Ivan. You're certainly more than if you wish to took way in after John with any thoughts please feel free John. One of the things that when you tackle this kind of ambitious project you know you obviously WanNa start with something. That's big that gets you know sort of people into the project you know this from your thirty for thirty days. You want everyone of these documentaries to sort of start really big so people get invested enough in the film. That's a writ small this. This is writ large so you've already done that. You've kicked off this project and you want people to be invested in the content. When I'm interested in is what is how do you finish this one when does the sort of when does the content and and what what is ESPN's thing your what is your thinking in terms of what you end with because you obviously want to end with something. That's a big nope but you know it's very hard to you know encapsulate one hundred fifty years of college football into one piece. You know what I'm saying so what what's the thought about sort of where it all does culminate at the end of that one hundred and fifty days of original content I mean we started to put out a little bit here and there a trailer hallmark whatnot whatnot some digital content early this calendar year we tried to take advantage of the end of last college football season to make sure people were aware of what was coming in twenty nineteen gene but it's all been about this hundred and fifty consecutive days of content so that that leads us right to the National Championship game on January thirteenth in New Orleans and specifically you know we talk about. We've got a closing documentary from John. Hawke but like what else I mean. We've got we have the game. We have the playoff so what we're talking about really is making the all time all America team which is just eleven on offense eleven on defense kicker punter and return specialist along with a hundred and fifty greatest players of of all time those are really going to be the final reveals in in the last couple of weeks and right up to the last day we're talking about. How do we want to revealed one hundred and fifty greatest players in in that final that final top ten maybe and who is the greatest player of all time so that will be something that we're looking at right now how to best do that as part of Championship Monday. I want to first of all. It's a year it's impossible in the greatest player ball time which will make it. You Know Kinda great when people get you know Matt like Lord we see people losing their minds with Kobe Bryant story on some all time team so that'll be that'll. That'll be fun to watch What do I view. There's anything you want to add but I do like that. I think that's kind of cool to end to end on some kind of all time greatest something and then let people debate decide and immerse themselves in that discussion exactly and and the we have I have been surprised at how people with one hundred and fifty greatest programs they kind of nobody really went to the ramparts to battle Adalah on it which I found somewhat gratifying the only point I would make about the quote unquote end of this product. Richard is the you know ESPN plus all of this content will live on all the video content and we live on the ESPN plus forever and ever as well as you know the podcasts are going to live as long as podcast live. You know that I know the down and distance podcasts so we are fire where aiming a fire are. WHO's people all season but you know there's a way to you can't get to it all right now? It will be available yeah. I was just GonNa say I haven't has led our voting efforts and isn't done a spectacular job with it. I think one thing that we felt was really important whether it was the voting or the overall approach like it's not our anniversary. ESPN doesn't own this anniversary the University of the sport but we want to lead the way it's what ESPN I think does why love yes pants so much what we did Twenty Years Ago Sports Sentry Treat wasn't our century but ESPN's going to devote over you know fifty hours of content to it so would the voting I think we're very careful to put together. Voting Body that is a diverse across the sport eras generations regions ethnically racially you name it. I mean it's a very diverse group of voters in eighty percent of which those voters are not affiliated with Espn at all so you got eighty. percent of the voters are not tied to to us in any way and I think it gives us a really good read on on these lists in an accurate of feel for for these lists. It's not ESPN's list per se. It's merely as accurate here. It is if I had just done it myself. which is what I wanted to do exactly? It's really should be it should be it should be one hundred fifty greatest blitz all right. Let us give the Bios again and let me take a deep breath because John has such a long title. Ivan Mazel has covered college football for ESPN piano. I mentioned that the top since two thousand to check out all his work the the different mediums and I've known him for a long time. He's such a class guy and and I always happy for his success. Jon Dahl is a ESPN vice president of special projects and original content one of the point people behind this college football initiative of guys. I'm certainly happy to talk about this because I think not only is an ambitious. I think the quality quality at least of what I've seen so far is really really high and that's something I respect because it takes incredibly talented producers editors and researchers to to put this kind of stuff together so I wish you the best of luck with it and and thanks so much for joining me today. Thank you travis yeah all right back in the studio my thanks to to Adnan virk. I've been Maysville and Jon Dahl for their time and insights interesting conversation always great to catch up with Adnan. If you like this kind of content previous guests include Jane McManus Katie Strang those last week on how to cover the nexus of mental health south sports and sexual assault and sports. It's interesting conversation. I hope people will check that out before that Garrett graff the author of the only plane in the sky oral history of nine eleven and kind of an amazing book on how Garrett graff talked to four hundred plus people about their experiences on nine eleven. I've been including those on Air Force One with President George W Bush John Rand for some conversation about the media ESPN Monday night football analyst booger over McFarland before that Gus Johnson of Fox and just go down the list and hopefully will be things that you find interesting. Don Van Natta Natta Chelsea Jane's. We did a pro boxing roundtable. You're like wrestling Conrad Thompson the podfather and Paul Heyman and Rene a young of the wwe pure soccer fan Taylor twelve men was couple weeks ago. Bob Leave for his ESPN exit interview my thanks as is always Patrick Antonetti for producing this podcast the boy we give a lot of kings thirteen references on this podcast next to Adnan but as always thanks is Chris Corcoran Spencer Brown John McDermott Shaun Cherry and the rest of the cat's there will be back next week with another edition of this podcast until then this is Richard Your Dyke thanks as always for listening to the sports media podcast all right and as we promised in the podcast here comes a preview of the new music documentary podcast long may they run featuring music fish interviews with band members plenty of people in and around the band and you are going to enjoy this long. May they run the during the music of fish What if I had known at the beginning of fish what I know now you know. The Pan is like an organic ever-growing thing. I think that's why you know. Fish ultimately has the popularity thirty than it does today that there were so many people who were sort of drawn in for any number of reasons but certainly I think part of it has been collective journey definitely definitely wait. There wouldn't be any music if it weren't people there and you have to go up there and just love it. I would think that would be pretty clear from all the years the fish that's a conversation I had with Trey Anastasio lead singer and guitarist of fish for a piece. I wrote back in in two thousand two. I saw fish at a tiny club. In the late eighties now decades later the band is still touring still making the cultural impact and I'm still covering them. I'm Dean Budnick and this is long. They run season. One Fish. I saw a late eighties and the people are growing like crazy. I mean the dancing like a storm after the show rush backstage should look it. I'm quitting my job is in Florida. I'm you know manager. I seen it and that's the future they changed. The industry changed the landscape the entire festival circuit. We're draw seventy five thousand people to Indian reservation in the middle of Florida near Nineteen Ninety nine known never heard of US Purna Dude Anyway. It happened work. This is our path. We're GONNA follow it. We don't care where it leads. The Baker's dozen a different show every night at the world's. Most famous arena not a single song repeated. I the big everyone to find me a band who could do that their chances being taken. They're looking for something that feels like a high wire act something something that could potentially fall flat on its face lots to see Kentucky she because it's our little thing this isn't really a John Ritter. It's a cult cult. Do what just happened there. All of a sudden everyone in unison falls to the ground. How the hell did they not do that. At that. Moment fish takes nothing seriously and everything seriously. That's the thing that people relate to is that life is funny. We can take our art really seriously but let's not take ourselves. Selves teasers reached and after all this time fishes still filling arenas and there's no shortage of stories about the impression. They've left on music culture in this documentary. You'll hear the ones that matter most told by the people who live we really did think and still to this you you know to this day. We weren't really very good. You know in most accepted ways we weren't great singers and we weren't great individual instrumentalists so we work so hard at creating the group sounds and what's interesting about it in the play the conversation that sewing was Jim. Welcome to long may run you see thirteen original series premiering September eighteenth on Apple PODCASTS RADIO DOT COM and wherever you get your shows it took on stuff that no other band would want to hang on just nothing like it and so I went from begrudgingly competing with them to sitting. They had to feed

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And a great example today of his work ethic. He wasn't even going to log into the computer today. It wasn't a me Thursday. There's no there's no bosses here. Like, this is like male and of the year, and he's going to log into and you finally figured out. It's a different keyboard. We've multiple keyboards feed. A log into your computer, sometimes technology can do too much and having to keyboards in front of one screen. I would say is doing too much. I'm typing on this one. It's not working recall an IT. Like you said, but there's no one here. Now, I want to go old school or like thirteen year old. I'm going to be on my phone now back in the day when I did radio the internet was even around at that point, actually, but mid-nineties. Yes. Midnight internet start like that star like com had easy access to it. Right. Ninety seven ninety eight. So my first radio shows before that. Yeah. So I was going to go old school. I'm going to take it back to like the peanut days right there. But then I was like, oh, wait I've found the right keyboard. So enough with that I've got Twitter up Facebook. I'm going in. All right. Hit up Michael leaves because he will be social media conductor today allow giving some hot takes sure along with me. It's interesting when you feel on Golic and wingo off the top guys who are sports segments on my. It's laboratory Labor's going to screw around. All this is amazing. So before we do I like to point out new Noah's producing today, and he pointed out in his Email dripping with sarcasm and discussed after we mentioned the topics which I'm sure we'll get to it some point LeBron last night makes his return to Cleveland Cowboys. Pretty big game today. Here's I guess. We'll do the obligatory Thanksgiving Day topics as well. No, no, you have real in newly contempt here for ideas of. Hey, what are you? What are you give thanks for what what's the stuffing and this year's NFL season. No. I'm just waiting for. You know, someone's heartache on what you know, number one pie. The good news is we got that from David voting. Number one dessert, I believe it was macaroni and cheese. Thanksgiving Day pudding as dessert. Top desert, MAC and cheese was a number one staple for thanksgiving dinner. Right. Just for Nuno. Then please tweet us get in touch with us through one hundred flower Twitter's fee. Let us know what is your favorite part effects giving? Is it the Turkey. Is it the white meat dark meat? Don't answer that here. And cheese. Let us know. You already know where are going with this flavor is there's no question or you can tweet us as well thanksgiving. They plans today already celebrate yesterday. I celebrate it yesterday. When we did a group thing, my wife, and I did with L Dunkin and her husband, Omar where did join forces because I had to work last night. She had to work this morning. I've work again. I I usually host my wife and I use the hose at our house. I guess it'd be at least a guy from Kentucky, you know, your food. Yeah. And I do the Turkey like this year. I smoked Turkey myself, which I'd never done before. But my MAC and cheese bang in. My wife makes a great dressing L has the best greens. I've ever had in my life. Here's a story about L, Haller greens, collard greens. Here's the story about L, Dunkin's greens. Right. I thought growing up that I didn't like greens. I come to find out. I didn't like my mama's green now for she blessed. It is how question it is. Now had my wife's greens before had ELLs. Oh, these are. Oh, I can eat these this tweet liking them, and oh, I can eat them. Right. My mom's. I couldn't even eat just she makes them. She's great another right there, healthy or something. Or just like, I I don't know what it is not enough salt. L makes hers. They're sweet and spicy. Wow. Oh, they're the best greens of ever had ever. I just saw she was on their map. Let's get a text it to L bringing it tax rate us. Let's come by a secret recipe. One of Michael's ideas for the call people and just asked for the Thanksgiving Day plants are, but it's new said, no one's answering their phone people. Get upset they're like, hey, you got a few minutes to talk with. I'm off them. No, no, no, we lebatardshow. We just want you to tell us thirty seconds. What meal you're doing? What your plans are with the exception of everyone's going to say no to this. But we do have some guests. But shell steel Darren Woodson, Anton Archer generous up to join us. But maybe we'll get WinCo because apparently. Ago spiked eggnog starts early. So we can get trade and a really happy mood. Trae might do the final hour. I mean, he'll do it from Avon. I can get some people on the phone. I can do it. Yes. And that's the reason I put some names on magazine like, oh, I can get this person is my friend. I can get them if but if Nuno doesn't want to do it because he didn't like thanksgiving. He's deaf. Listen, everyone needs the Grinch and right now nuno's playing that role when it comes to thanksgiving at least when it comes to sports radio topics speaking up, let's move to some sports LeBron James last night makes his return to Quicken Loans arena. And it's fantastic. Ovation for the cash fans standing ovation as I'm sure you'd expect about a minute long video. He clearly appreciate it was very heartfelt. And then after Cleveland showered him with affection this time one oh nine to one zero five come from behind victory for the Lakers as he does it to Cleveland again, thirty two points, fourteen rebounds, and seven assists the emotional day for LBJ day started off great. I got an opportunities. Started today. Go down my school. See my kids and. Great. Well, welcome to see them today before thanksgiving. So I was already blessed and thankful for that moment right there to come here tonight and go out here the fans reception. Eleven years plan here. Just try to do. To be the best basketball player. If bus Brome out as leader could be both on and off slowly example for this franchise, and they showed their appreciation. I really, you know from now. For myself, and my friends or family I at the game tonight. It was just great. Great. I think as we say in time heals all wounds, right? And I said this last night on sports center that is especially the case when the years that have passed include a championship, right? And so when LeBron left in twenty ten it was emotional for those fans because somebody that was one of them left them. And that's that's a hard thing to accept because Dovaston you think you're not worthy. You're not good enough. But that same person came back and gave you something you'd never had before in your life. And so they leave the next time you like Yoko appreciate knowing you. Thanks for being here for us at this moment. Go do what you want to do. So for him to come back in this circumstance. It was completely different. And to finally see that mutual admiration because he loves northeastern, Ohio. There's no question about that everything he's done for that area for them to be able to pay it back to him in that capacity. I thought was just a great ending to the saga of LeBron in Cleveland and as doors per point. It's a good reason they showed them that kind of affection because he is deserving of it. Yes. Initial reaction. I sorta got choked up, and I didn't think it could have been longer louder ovation. I thought the better reaction was after they played about a minute video where the first thirty seconds of it was his career and the second thirty seconds of it was acknowledging the incredible work. Lebron did and still continues to do in in the Ohio community at large. So I'm happy. He's happy happy. He's happy. And you're right. Because the fact that gave him that championship is still be empty hollow feeling maybe took him to the mountaintop and could not overcome the hurdle of winning a championship and then left again. Right. But in that in that arena, they have four banner saying, of course, the one championship. But they also acknowledged three of the times they went to the finals Cleveland had a really good run that some teams would die for and one of your own took you there there should be nothing but love between LeBron and the fan. So I was happy to see it. And I'll say this doors was talking about early on. It's not surprising that the loudest ovation would be after the video. One have more people in Reno at the first time out then you do at the beginning of game. Whether it's LeBron town or not that's just how it is to have to work, even especially the night before a holiday. But when you see that you're all collectively looking at the memory and the emotion, and it's it's much easier to get in line with that. And everyone respond to it. Then just him coming out six eight four from Saint Mary's ain't visit whatever, blah, blah. But it was I thought it was cool just as a fan to be able to see that one more thoughtfully brought his feelings that when he was saluting the crowd that moment here where you have knowledge the crowd and your hand. What were you feeling? You know, I appreciate you know, these fans just as much they appreciated me every single night we step out on the floor. They always showed their appreciation to myself months. He may spills eleven years. Especially the last four years old championship bronze that we were making. You know? So I was just Mocelutu them them. Appreciate what I was able to comment from my teammates coaching staff along four years later on the show discussed whether or not the Cavaliers without a game against the Duke blue devils. This is not a half to. I'd rather talk about thanksgiving. You know, what I would thanksgiving? We have Jay Williamson, Jalen rose, Paul Pierce, people pining on whether or not a college basketball team with a lot of hype around it and a lot of talent and Duke who lost last night, whether or not they beat the Cavaliers at their worst that scorching hypothetical becoming up later on the show, but coming up next full taco football count. It pains me bubbas a Cowboys fan. Why the Cowboys could be the team to beat now in the NFC? We'll discuss that. Plus Michelle steals coming up between now as we'll do some more football action likely Adnan Virk. It's Dan Le Batard show on ESPN radio. And not today. Support for the day. Lebatardshow podcasts comes for our friends at rocket mortgage by Quicken Loans. 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Valid on certain thirty year purchase transactions. Additional conditions or exclusions may apply based on quickenloans data in comparison to public data records, equal housing lender. Licensed in all fifty states NMLS consumer access dot org. Number thirty thirty tar show on ESPN radio. Kicking it old school here on the Dan lebatardshow? Adnan Virk Michael eaves in for dance. And the rest of the crew got baba. We got Cava got Nuno joining forces and an excellent cameo appearance now from the great L Dunkin. The reason why she's here, we'll get repeated football or basketball. I don't care about that. But Michael and ask you about his Thanksgiving Day plans. He mentioned that yesterday. He celebrate thanksgiving with Ellen her family, and he said, and this is blasphemous for anyone to do. And I appreciate his candor. But he said that his mom's green beans green screen. Disappointing other people like them. I don't like the amazing as a son to say my mom's southern sun southern women take pride in their green. Jess. So maybe a little more salt was aided butter as such by then followed up by saying your greens, the best he's ever tasted that. Yeah. He's told me that before and I really meant something because as you guys may or may not know. He's from place in Kentucky were likely. That's all they eight Madison means white. The house was that means quite a bit. Because again, he southern southern it. I feel like it's kind of part of your DNA as a southern person you have to be able to do the Staples. You have to be able to fry chicken to be able to do collard greens. There's one other that's really deep south that I'm not in on Adnan. And that is the ability to. Oh. Clean and serve Chileans. And I am that is that one is going to die with the generation. He thinks Jess generation X and the millennials are going to kill chitlins. And I'm cool with that. I've had them they're fine. Are you familiar EDNA say pardon? My ignorance, I don't know other Catterick they're all the same. I. Word. I don't know what they are though. All right. So challenge our pig intestines. Okay. No, pork. What does it smell like when someone is prepared 'cause you have to clean the Chilean before you cook because test which against? That's snow like when you walk into someone's house who's making children's s. Like, hot boiled baked ask you. Clean them anymore. But because it's so chilling is a staple in the African American culture because it's leftover from slavery because you had to make do with what you had is. So they ended up making it. I went to delicacy, which they typically say they made it something that is actually edible hot sauce. I'm like damn is saying the best the process that you so. But again that one will die. Yeah. Okay. What another staple that you have to have with your Turkey dressing or stuffing? Depend on where you're from. Right. Stom-? My mom is a great stressing. As does my wife, actually, I think I like my wife's dressing. No angled say this. Yeah. Get them confused. I like my wife's dressing better than my mom's like my mom's Makati's better than my wife. My MAC and cheese. Best ear, MAC, and ease MAC and cheese is fantastic. And let me tell you something Adnan this man had never made MAC and cheese at his entire life up until about a year ago, and he decided to venture into making MAC and cheese. And now, he's he's he's up there eight he's one of the best he makes various kinds his spicy his bacon. He does the gourmet kind of MAC and cheese saying, well, it's all because people I find guys seem to dominate MAC and cheese wing apparently still talks, but some epic MAC and cheese. He made years ago. Yeah. So I don't know. There's something about men and MAC and cheese. I don't know exactly. The the essence of it is so best thanksgiving because we have to do this obligatory. Thanks. They topics that the best top-five Damian what he did his top five Thanksgiving Day meals or parts of the meal, you're going number one number one has to be the greens. L doesn't want that hurt not white white meat dark meat dark meat, obviously. Correct. What else you got my prefer my Turkey fried. Okay. God. If you're going to go for it go for it for my Turkey fry turkeys at her house yesterday. We had a Brian Turkey, courtesy of enroll Agasi, which is delicious, my mom makes it, but then we also had a fried Turkey. That's awesome. What is more? Like, Omar, Omar is my husband. He likes whatever I cook. He doesn't matter. He really does. Like just about everything almost dude that will dance anytime he eats, you know, some people dance like, oh, this good bolan as no Omar will will pop present. I can be like I didn't have any times. Iran doesn't Mickey D's and he'll be like. He missed any more loves food. He loves it. All and he's skinny as hell, that's what really infuriates. Infuriate. Yeah. And then I would say MAC and cheese is a staple. Maybe something a little controversial. I don't I'm not a big mashed potato fan. I don't feel I made it yesterday. Just because I felt like pressure to do it. But I think that when you're solving serving mashed potatoes in bulk they get cold. I'm just not really into it. Here's what she made them there. We have some white people over to the house, correct, mashed why people are gonna have mashed potato thanksgiving black, simply don't, but we made them, and they were very tasty. She puts look goat cheese cheese jive and the the key is adn. And I feel like this is definitely turned into leg. Cooking shell. Show, but the key everyone listening to great mashed potatoes is when you're boy, the mashed potatoes boil whole close of garlic in there with him. And then they get nice and soft, and when you beat them you beat the garlic into. Using garlic powder. Boom. That's next level jump the Mike in the interests are getting a little bit of sports talk came to L has to leave. What is your favorite NFL team? The Broncos pray for me. So I'm an eagles fan. And I've been debating this for years in my head. You know, we finally won last year. And I said, you know for years it despise the Cowboys so much and the giants and the Redskins. And I said, I don't know that gives you more joy like when the eagles finally one or like seeing those teams do poorly and so right now like, I'm such a state of flux is not only is Philly playing poorly. Cowboys I pays even say bubbas favorite to the Cowboys. I think are the team to beat the NFC. They're going to win the division and they're gonna win the division. I and they're not gonna go far aren't doing. But in general like if they actually win the super like it's like, I go into state of depression for my first jubilation the eagles winning. It was incredible. But it just felt so foreign to me. Affected, more by the negative. For you as a Broncos fan when the Broncos win which you've seen in your lifetime. Is that better or when seeing the chiefs or the raiders? Yeah. I hate the raiders. I don't care about the chiefs. Like, I have no beef with the chiefs. I enjoy washing Pat Mahomes when I one hundred percent much prefers see the Broncos win. Just because it's only happened a few times in my life, and like, I shed real tears now the pettibone in me loves that the raiders are terrible. But good God. The raiders have been terrible almost my entire life with the exception of a couple of years with Janet Dave always been trashed. So that's not really, you know, it's like kicking a puppy at this point. How what's better you k winning or Duke losing first round like just UK winning switz- still your team? I you hate your enemy whatever team to win this crazy coming from Adnan. He's Canadian there's supposed to be so nice about everything. It hurts me to my core. Whatever feel angry. I'm not raising. I'm crying. What was worse? See it was better than the Cowboys win. Or was it was that better than seeing the eagles? The pain of eagles lose it illegals wings. Excuse me. I was pretty I was like ten when the Cowboys last one. So it's tough to say. I mean, the eagles wedding was pretty hurtful. But I think still I still would go for one in my team to win cat New York. Sports fan better to see New York sports teams do well. Or is it more painful? He's like the Red Sox won the World Series. That's tough because I'm just so used to losing at this point. 'cause I'm a Nixon jets fan. That it's kind of nice to see the other teams lose. Yeah. See cats on my team. I knew no the deciding vote here what is better to see your team win or to see the team. You hate lose my team winning because alcohol was made for when the other team. Thank you. Exactly. All right with them. Get after it. I'll your Twitter Instagram give us all that. So. I don't know if I want to do that doesn't say it always just welcomes like, you know, all right at L Dunkin ESPN bring it on this Turkey day. I'm ready. Here's what I wanted to do. I to at some point today post your worst diem post my worst DeAnne ratio. No, it isn't she? I was gonna say I can't show video. No. I don't give. Yeah. Yeah. Just an example with the caption. I could give you your next baby. So on that now. Correct. Migrate. Respond to post that tomorrow. Steals in Detroit. Eleven talk show. Dell's black Friday sale for small business is on save up to fifty percent with massive deals on office essentials like computers with eighth gen Intel core processors and the latest servers even other top brand electronics are on sale, plus get free shipping on everything wanted us or limited. Dell small business technology advisers can help you find the right Tech- your business needs at black Friday prices, just call eight seven seven by down or visit Dell dot com slash sbblackfriday. That's eight seven seven by Dell. Tar show on ESPN radio. Well, what am I ca- leaves this idea? So we would talk to fellow ESPN personalities. Find out what their Thanksgiving Day, preparations are like meals, etc. And the early vote was we have to get Trey wingo on because Treiguts after early we do know trays listening. He sent me a text shut up eagles suck. So whenever we want to get winkle on he's available head. He's listing. Elsa texted, Michael, I believe, and he said white people like mashed potatoes. Declarative sentence. He wasn't he. Because you said that he wasn't challenging white people like mashed potato. I know they do right on the same page here. Yes. I said it I stand by your white band, you agreeing with me. I don't dislike mashed potatoes. What I'm just saying when it comes to black thanksgiving. They're typically not part of the meal. That's all I'm saying. Yeah. Unless we have white people coming we need them to feel comfortable and their Kurtz around. Okay. How would eggnog is? I feel like that is not a part of black thanksgiving. My wife loves eggnog like she goes hard with this saturated fat sugar. I love I'm gonna make it even worse. So why grew up my mom would make boiled custard, which is almost it's a thicker fattier eggnog, and she would drink it. And my dad would too I would port over chocolate cake and eat it. Like a cat's face. Saying if. Sounds weird rust me. It's like, oh my God. They should serve this in restaurants. But you should only eat it. Maybe once a year around thanksgiving and Christmas. I would eat it three times a week. I was a fat kid in the winter is growing up. Thank God, you started lifting and govern. All right. We'll get back to the topic will it around Michelle Steelers. Joining us the shell Pennzoil performance line. Pennzoil synthetics taking synthetic motor oil performance to a whole new level. Make the switch to Pennzoil synthetics today. We will talk about thanksgiving meals. I'm sure Michelle likes, but first and foremost Pacelle, set the stage. We got great football today. Right. Sad that we can't keep talking about eggnog thanksgiving side guys because my grandpa was the whitest guy that I knew he would drink eggnog in the off season. Yeah. It was extra. Okay. Let's ex Johnny. It's hard to say how did he get you kick in dog post off-season? You to buy eggnog at the store. Please those are removed. Home. Yeah. And I don't know so middle. Did I do by my store, but Michelle middle of July people are having pink lemonade, and he was just he's gonna get some dog. Again. Functional family does a lot of people today. Let's. Family life. I know everybody's l with their families today. I am with the Detroit Lions Chicago Bears. Thrilled about it. I am really curious to find out what chase. Daniel look like in this often. Everybody to a man has talked about how familiar EA as with Matt navy system and how much that's going to count. I mean, this often is about the quarterback getting the ball to playmakers in space and from I just talked to chase down very comfortable sounds very confident in his command of this offense and see what he looks like. Just a couple of hours here. I would assume show that the intensification of this could also be level of anxiety for a lot of people as well. Because we haven't seen chase down in a football field in quite some time. The bears are playing really really well. The defense is one of the best in the league's if not the best. But now you go into situation where you're throwing a wrench into the program and putting a Goth there who hasn't played in quite some time. Yeah. Quite some time. I think might even be a little bit of an understatement. The guy hasn't started a game twenty fourteen. I'm I never played at for steel. He's like, yeah. I was here in a twenty sixteen with the eagles. Now, obviously he wasn't starting in that game either. He was the backup to Carson Wentz at the time. And when he left the eagles, that's when they went out and got Nick foles and Edo the rest of that history. But what's so interesting to me is that what? Mitch Trubisky does within legs has been so. Critical to what this often can do. I think he is the best quarterback throwing on the run that I've seen this season. I don't expect a guy like case Daniels very mobile running out of the way that Mitchell Trubisky does he's thirty years old he's older than Mitchell Trubisky oldest guy in his locker room. He may not be I cry. But I'll tell you what take care of the football. He obviously knows offense inside. Now. He knows negative some inside. Now he knows a playmaker. He's been working them working with them since training camp. I spoke to I starting guard James Daniel and he worked with the twos at training camp. He's a rookie. And he told me that guys are people are underestimating chase Daniel someone who he was really impressed with a training camp. He's not afraid to yell at his linemen to get into this and get in and out of the huddle easily ineffectively which can be challenging for young quarterback and bear sound very. Confident in what you can do and. Always be consistent. Protect the football, no bad turnovers, and they need to have a signature game as well. Talking to Michelle Steele who is breaking down the lines and the bears for speaking of that defense. Michelle the fun to watch man watching the Sunday night. Obviously Khalil Mack. We know all about and even with the double team. He's still a guy who's unbe unveil on cable being blocked, but Vic Fangio's as a coordinated. He's a holdover from the previous staff and for good reason. They've kept him because that bears defense your right? Not only today, but it's the strength of this team. And maybe could be the difference maker today. Oh, yeah. I mean, they just saw team. They just saw the lions a couple of weeks ago, and that pass rush I tell you what it got after number nine at God after Matthew Stafford I think he was that something like six times in that game. And the thing about it is you know, when receivers open the passwords stuck to him and the rest of the time is receivers weren't open because the secondary would get them. So he's gonna have. You know, he's going to have this game really cut out for him today as far as. Out Akeem hick having a career year that game against those liking it so much fun to watch. I think he had do or three tackled for a lot game. And the thing of it is Khalil Matt is getting so much attention. The rest of the bear defense is just getting single coverage. You know, they're getting they're only getting blocked by one guy in when a guy like mixes only getting one block on. He's gonna do some very bad things to your offense. And that is what we are seeing and still for lighting here for an eighty five our turnaround here the bears is that from the defendant defensive guys I spoke to in the locker room this week rolling. I mean, nobody likes to play these Thursday games necessarily, but they feel like they've got momentum on their side, and they kind of like they're playing. So soon as crazy as that sounds and the defensive starters, they're all back today. So they're they're gonna. To fly out of the gate, and I was gonna ask you about. Because the seeking five game win streak for the first time since twenty twelve the first time they've won five games in a row in a season. Since two thousand twelve that year, they won six in a row, and you get the sense Michelle just watching this team that you can almost feel their momentum going each and every week, especially not only where they're playing but also was happening in their division. Because everyone assumed the Vikings would run away with this division because that weather played last year you bring a Kirk cousins. And of course, you still got Aaron Rodgers and the Packers which look up ten games in is the bear sitting there. And if anything they're definitely trending up. Yeah. Isn't that wild many people outside the building certainly had to bear with this kind of record dipped weight in the season with dick kinda pad in the NFC north. I mean, remember this is a game divisional game this is important game. But the bear -til comfortable enough at your quarterback. Mitchell Trubisky to escape put in the backup. I think they feel like they took to the last three in the division. I may feel like okay? You know what we trust our offense? We trust our playmakers. Weedays certainly add confidence in our teeth. And and we can get it done today. Now, the one tabby I to that. Of course, is that the lions I've been to a lot of these Thanksgiving Day game guys this is Super Bowl in Detroit the lion. I don't care. I don't care how they're doing the rest of the season. Good battering different. This is the game that the lion. Ten to get up for Matthew Stafford has more touchdowns than any. Buddy on thanksgiving outside of Tony Romo. I think he has he needs just one more to tie Tony romo's record. And then two more actually break the record Tony Romo, by the way on the call today. So we'll see how he reacts to that. Whatever reasons the wide tend to play up to this game. And remember, oh, the other thing I want to say about the season alliances in giant killers. Can we talk about that they beat the Petrie? They beat the tree it saves the Panthers. We're talking about Aaron Rodgers Tom Brady. Cam new beat good teams here. It's everybody that they've had trouble with an obviously they were by the bears a couple of weeks ago. We'll see what happens in a couple of hours for steal thirty seconds or less wise airplane that rate is comedy of all time. Roger over under. What's the other one? I can't think of it airplane is the greatest comedy of all time because they don't make movies better ninety minutes of one liner. They just don't. That's just a fact I can't think of the other one over under Roger Roger Victor vector Victor vector I next to a pilot on on my flight over here. And he said that if you listen to the PA system, you know, the internal one that the pilots talk to each other on it's nothing but airplane references pilot, find them line. I could I could fly a plane, and I like everyone on the PA system because I've got the airplane reference down. Pat, do the best Michelle enjoy the game today. And by the way, I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue. Biker Roger coming up next. We'll talk about boy the other NFL gave to the Redskins. Cowboys falcon saints coming at you. I'd never side. 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Could do could its best day beat the Cavaliers their worst day? Yeah. You could here Cyprus. Mike is off. So no, no one actually heard it at all pointing up at Bubby. He asked us at the top of the show. Are you guys comfortable of you, turn your mic on and off? We both looked to the. Now, we do this all the time. Who is the worst? Who is the worst ever federal not turning the mic on? Out to think about it. It's good question. I remember doing Mike and Mike back in the day with John Anderson and somebody asked John intercity about turning his Mike. I'm like, are you kidding? Like he was he was offended by and then we becoming a break. And I'd be like listen to stop being like a child. I noted through my mic. He was he was offended anybody who would think that he wouldn't know how to do it. But it happens. More often, they think oh, yeah. People forget all the time anytime people are filling in they will usually forget this. I'm sorry. They'll just leave Michaels Mike on at all times. And that we would every single for. Excuse me. During the actual show. A one of my favorite parts of thanksgiving, by the way, here on Twitter is the hashtag thanksgiving clapback. Are you familiar? No, I so it started at such bell hilt, but tweeted, this basically, you know, the thing about thanksgiving, you always ended up being with your family and just because you're related to me you like everybody your family. Sure. And oftentimes there's the older generation that will make little digs at the younger generation. And now, thanks thanks giving clapback the younger generation are armed and ready to clap back at older people for saying certain things such as eligible she related somebody being imprisoned. Here's a good one auntie what happened to you little boyfriend me the same thing that happened to your edges now edges are like do your baby hairs owned edgy your hairline. So if they left then your edges left, or like, this one aunt how those grades looking me just like your we've not on track. See because. Hairwave is on a track and put it in. So this is go to Twitter right now. The hashtag thanksgiving clapback, and you will have comedy and munition for when your family shows up. I love it because the families get together there's always a whole lot of dissention. Dan Le Batard show on ESPN radio is presented by progressive insurance. Guests on the Dan Le Batard show up here via the shell Pennzoil performance line. NFC east more like the NFC least giants you're three and seven eagles or foreign six Cowboys or five and five the Redskins are six and four. But now Washington as without their starting quarterback after he suffered a gruesome injury. So that means the Cowboys it feel like now Michael their division to lose that game. Coming up, by the way, four o'clock each today. Redskins Cowboys Dallas the driver's seat. Yes. Almost similar to what we're talking less than with Michelle still as relates to the NFC north is that not only next to the bears the top of their training up. It seems as though the Cowboys are the only team that's trending up in that division based on what happened Washington. The eagles. Just sort of just can't get there way. Call it a Super Bowl, funk, whatever. But it's the Cowboys who seemingly are getting an identity that it took them eight nine weeks to find that keep the ball to seek figure it out seemingly for whatever reason that didn't make as much sense to the coaching staff. There did the us internally something else is going on from standpoint. What have you? But it's funny to me. The team has changed since Zeke went to the Dion Sanders. Look, clearly he wears the number. But now he's got the white sleeves the socks up to a certain height. He looks like Dion kinda right? 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Adnan Virk, Mt Rushmore of Average Things, and Guys on Chicks

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Adnan Virk, Mt Rushmore of Average Things, and Guys on Chicks

"On today's part of my take we have Adnan virk. You probably remember him from E._S._P._N.. He got fired yeah who who could have ever imagined that somebody would get fired from E._S._p._N.. Yup but he's a really great guy in front of ours and we had an awesome talk with him about what he's doing now his firing from E._S._p._N.. And we'll baseball talk for you. We also have hotseat cool thrown the Mount Rushmore of the most average things. I'm very excited about. I'm very excited about no one. I'm Kinda. Whatever you're going to be okay? Take your leave it. <hes> Bachelorette talk for guys. Don't watch the bus ride even though Hank watches the Bachelorette and those the S. and pizzas bits and pieces before we get all that part of my take is brought to you by the cash APP that I'm on finance APP in the APP store cash APP is the most powerful way to send spend and save. 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We've got reporters trying to like zoom in on his thumb. <hes> see exactly what's wrong with Michael Ben Michael Bennet but know that Michael the the other one no. There's not the other Michael Bennett either not the guy that's running for president right. Not The guy that doesn't wear shoulder patch hurt his ankle. It is such a bummer though when you are scrolling twitter and training camp started your getting juiced up football upon and boom like Ian Rapport says yeah this guy's out for the year with a tornado whereabout do I'd say like in the next thirty six to forty dollars for Jake but twenty A._C._l.. Who I hope not wish that no? I'm not wishing on him. I trust me the N._F._l.. Is a much better place when and there's a guy named but on the back of his around making plays so yeah. This is the time of year where you get excited for your team to report to training camp. We get all the training camp stories. We'll probably go through them next week. When all the camps have reported but there's nothing like those first few pictures of the team out there in their jerseys and rookies are out there right now feels good and then boom an injury? One of my favorite parts is <hes> when the reporters get to camp for the first time and they get really excited and tweet out the new things that are different front end the press areas yeah that change over the course allegedly get new chairs. They're just excited to be away from their family finally and then it will take you know probably a month or two of tweeting empty stadium pictures before games on Sunday to be like my family and months this also means that is the official start of Q._B.. Tier System Oh yeah so the Q._B.. Tears rankings are just starting to come out right now. We've got the Pantheon's we've got the diamonds the elites whatever whatever tier system you use yeah now's the time to really get it cranked out <hes> I actually did some studies on this and I believe that <hes> the tier system should be more like an hourglass not like a pyramid because it seems like they're five or six that are at the top and then there's like very refute that are just perfectly average and there are a lot of shitty ones down at the bottom well. It's I mean I always go with my binary system where it's guys that can win you. A Super Bowl and everyone else sucks <hes> and then just some people suck a little bit less. There's the really good would sucky quarterback. Stafford is a perfect. He is an elite Sucky quarterback but you're like if you had to ask yourself could Matt Staffer Win a Super Bowl answers probably know and there are a lot of teams that they say like we've got our guy at quarterback but in a heartbeat they should trade him. Keep this going Colin Dunn Matt Stafford by the Way Still Hall Famer deathly. I want a super bowl to your now in the lion the presents a problem the wells but now he's got Patricia good coach when he signed the new contract with the lions that was kind of where he's like. Okay I'm going to be on the Lions and end but Matt Matt Stafford in a vacuum. Yeah could win a superbowl yeah. He's right on the edge of suck why he's an elite sucky quarterback because it's like if you put them in the right spot. Everything could go perfectly yeah. I could see my yeah. You know what I think. That's Africa when the Super Bowl I mean they WANNA playoff game right. Yeah there. You go so I think he's very good example did they. They lost. They lost boys when they got screw. Yeah they got the one that one hawks skip bayless. It doesn't keep harping about their loss of the capital's. I don't think that they have but they should be in the saints that one time that was a great game yeah Tony Schefter I._D.. One Thousand Nine hundred ninety one this was a we took a detour on some lights flashing and I'm not I don't like the lions but I didn't mean to do this. So mean. Louis Lions Bills Brown's dolphins don't have the longest droughts yeah twenty twenty seven twenty three twenty one and eighteen good news is the browns are GonNa win. The Super Bowl this year destined instant the one hundred percent hammer the browns this year yeah so everyone's got we got the tier system. We have the <hes> the ranking the top one hundred players <hes> which people get mad about every year also that's that list is way too long one hundred hundred weirdest to way too many for anything I mean should be no list that lasts one hundred plus then when when they announced like ninety four is Mitchell Schwartz mcgann Mitchell Schwartz is good but I didn't know I didn't have to know that he was the ninety fourth best player in the N._F._l.. I did I did because every retire. You know what I I'll take that back. I don't really like the top one hundred listening but I do like the countdowns that they do where they show like how many days until the season starts using the numbers on the shirts yes like when there was forty five days I was like James Devlin or forty six or whatever like I liked like that because they've got a really scraping and claw for some of those like low fifties yeah so we can feel it. We can taste it. We can smell it. I can hear you can hear it before you starting to dream and football <hes> I had a dream last night. I was dreaming just about a college football Saturday where I was losing everything thing but it was a great dream I would love to I I woke up and I was like damn that wasn't real. Even though I lost all my money you know how like when you watch like y'all ready to get back after today to get back to even right. I was like Oh it's Sunday. I'm ready to go. Let's get it by the way. Did you guys see that every single over hit last night. I did not baseball after the over weekend that I had because of the heat the Salami hit me I bet the Salami and the nationals game got rained out so the Salami got void all that sue ah every single game win over you gotta be fucking kidding me. That's too bad. This is what this is. What July is it's baseball taking your will to live like you? You Bet baseball and you think you'll do okay. It just sucks the soul. It's awful that they just canceled the entire Salami because I worked in my favorite before but last night every single game but yet dreaming about betting is knowing that like you're ready to get back right actual. That's training camp for us. Fans is dreaming about changing the Channel at that perfect time dreaming about sitting right back to that first snap on Fox getting away from C._B._S.. That's the most dreaming about the slide in slide in Leroy on the couch the other day just for fun just to just to make sure that you were in in midseason form. He didn't know what was going on. He just forwarded back to sleep. Sleeping with Al Michaels does these as anyways yeah sleeping on my couch dreaming about sleeping on my couch with football on that's what July <hes> <hes> should we do. Hussy cool thrown get to a very very good Mount Rushmore. We think we think it's actually I just did that again. <hes> Hey. Why did you start Hussy cool thrown okay? My hotseat is millennials. ooh True Pat Fitzgerald. Did this is like a thing. That's going to be a reoccurring thing for the next a million years. Just coaches being like it's crazy that these kids are on their phone he did he's at a press conference and the asked why the attendance was down in his excuse was that he was at a dinner and next to him was four people and they're all looking at their phones so that's why northwestern isn't getting tickets crack. They weren't at a football game. They were out to eat dinner. We don't have eight years of data backup that people don't go to North Western Football Games dinner ruining college football attendants who all those people in the restaurant they could have been out of game too but it was funny he yeah. He said that he wanted to go up to him and just take away their phones like he was their parents and be like hey. That's all that's all. It's a big football. I love that yeah. That's so psycho football guy yes but now that like past the Gerald is that far into it millennials just going to be it's going to happen to every major sport. Every coach at the college. Level is going to go on one of these rants viral. People were like Oh. This is so true but live nothing about it. I actually think I think Pathak Gerald is smart with how he's doing it because that's North Western football like they're never going to get the top athletes so he doesn't have to recruit to like be a players coach in that respect. You know what I mean. Dabbled couldn't do this. Those guys can go anywhere and it's like are you gonNA. Are you going to say we can't be on our phones the L._S._U.. Locker Room has outlets to plug android APPs stations so that you can charge your phone sneaky smart move by Pat Fitzgerald. It's basically setting the standard is a standard and the standard is you can't use your phone yeah. He just wants a bunch of kids that don't have that a plan to northwestern <hes> by the way while you say millennials I watched the first episode of euphoria last night. Oh I don't want to be a father anymore. Can you just can you opt <unk> out at this point. Who Have you watched it? No I was watching big. Little lies is intense. It's fucking intense. I heard it gets a lot better but the the the first episode it was like oh I heard I heard the music was great and then it's like the beginning of just like fetuses and then it's just extremely heavy but it gets good. I've heard that like confusing when they go through the phone. It's like Jim sturgess phones. It's like just everything dudes phone and it's Jen started his phone. That's where things get complicated bad. Okay okay so yeah yeah so I won't be watching you for you pretty good though it's very short no I liked it but I was just the whole time. I was like I this is this what is like teenagers doing. Let's just start a commune where there's no electricity and we'll just raise our kids. They're call it northwest. Uh No electricity no vaccines perfect for me. Oh my cool thrown is grand theft auto so much like the rest of the world they have adapted to the gambling world in in the new grand theft auto. There's a casino so that you can go to and you can pay real money to gamble in this grand theft auto casino way so you say no more actually reels today march the Grand Opening of the Diamond Casino and resort sprawling entertainment and luxury living complex conveniently located in vine would in open to all citizens of southern San Andreas a man. I love it. I love it and I like how they're going to be people that get upset about this. Despite the fact that grand theft auto is just a game where you can literally walk down the street and blow people up with a bazooka. I'm in I'm full gambling as a a bridge too far this game there's GonNa be there's GonNa be like articles that should kids at paid too much money gambling right bottle. I don't care I'm in. I love his game. I'm going to get this game. Yeah cool thrown yeah. You should just be a casino video game. That's what's next up right yeah. I mean most sports spokesman. I used to play back in the day like sportsbook dot A._G.. They had an animated horse. Racing game always lost such a solid. It was fun. Yeah it was fought by other cool thrown was NASA <hes> I watched I man and last night and it was really kind of boring really yeah. I watched it on Sunday. I loved it Yeah Ryan Gosling just a thing that he does every like third movie where he just doesn't talk for most of it yeah then drive and it's like he just it's mostly silence. It was up in space space getting lost also buzz Aldrin has to be upset about that. Yes he looked like a fucking idiot and really it made me realize like the only reason you're cool is your name is buzz and you went to the moon because you everything else was just Neil Armstrong's doing well he. He also pissed himself on the moon but it's GonNa Watch the man himself on modes of technically he was the first dude on the moon. That's true but he he was not a very intelligent character. He was the guy finished kind of an asshole and he's like everyone else's thinking it yeah right the died. Oh Yeah at the at the house thing yeah but buzz Aldrin Spin Zone. He's famous for now punching that guy in the face through that said the moonlight landing was fake true. <hes> my is a totally normal thing to do. My hot seat is Tom. Tom Brady who so Tom Brady is firmly on the hot. Seat is training camps about to get underway for the Patriots. He went cliff diving Hank. You'll appreciate this. He jumped off a cliff to a body was hung over properly problem was he. He held his daughter's hand and she didn't want to jump off so we just kind of like drag her off and so people are very mad about child endangerment. Make up your mind people. Do you want Tom Brady dragging his kids off cliffs or kissing him open mouth like one or the other can never be enough for somebody. Nobody no I I was saying before the show that it would be the ultimate troll move by Roger Goodell to suspend Tom Brady for one game after tyreek. Hill get zero and just be like hey there's videotape yeah. That's all that's all they need technically like when we write it would be fucking funny. He was just he was in a free drop. It was very similar to an elevator in that way. I feel like this was such an overblown story like the today show was it was so stupid child endangerment he his daughter Shoulda jumped. They counted to three. That's on her. I actually say it's more child endangerment. Because Tom Brady raised a child that was too afraid to jump. That's true that's true. Don't raise ours. He who hesitates his lost <hes> my other hot seat is the Arctic so <hes> the Arctic is on the hot seat because there are forest fires in the Arctic Circle O. Eill yes I love how they described so they're forced fires in Alaska and Siberia Siberia and the way that it's described online and the article that I read I think it was on the Independent. It says the ongoing Arctic fires have been most severe and Alaskan Siberia some have been large enough to cover almost a hundred thousand football fields or. Or the whole of Lanzarote in Alberta Canada one fires estimated to be bigger than three hundred thousand football fields damn so I like how they sound good they the way they describe it though just using football fields as an analogy that really makes it hit home for US assed Americans okay now I get. I'm starting to big. I'm starting to think we're Kinda fucked. We might be kind of then we went when we went one hundred degrees in New York City on Saturday and Sunday and then Brooklyn was literally flooded on Monday and I was I was driving home on Sunday night in the skies as we're like it wasn't like one flash of lightning. It was like so much lightning that it was bright. I just love it now. What about what does this mean for bear weather this thirty years from now wearing no sleeves at at a Chicago isn't going to be that big of an accomplish hold on thirty years from now? We'll probably have like twenty six week N._F._l.. Schedule so play all the way into February. That's true so like in a foot of just keep pushing it back. I like that <hes> <hes> Michael Thrown. Is everyone on long island's face 'cause it's going to get rocked off on Saturday if you're in long island or onside inside Long Island whatever we're calling it now a punk is playing long. Island punk is players show up McKay's on Saturday night the beach twenty seven. I don't know if it's by the beach I think it's like underneath a subway station yet. You thought it was GONNA be. I don't know I don't know anything about Long Island but I do know what something okays and tickets are very affordable and they're still some available and we've had a new song coming out tomorrow. Marl not all stay tuned today. Yes it's the song of the summer <hes> and you will love it. That's a promise for me to us. We'll see you guarantee in Long Island on Sunday here guaranteed. That's out today on Saturday when I say on Saturday and on Sunday because we're probably play past midnight. Oh my other cool thrown is unpopular opinions there on my cou thrown because people are getting really into expressing unpopular popular opinions on twitter <hes> but the thing is they're not very unpopular so I did a little unpopular opinions search on twitter and here's some of the unpopular opinions that people say okay ready for this unpopular opinion. All politicians are corrupt and meant to divide us. That's that's very popular. That's an unpopular opinion. Unpopular opinion pineapple doesn't go on pizza. I think a lot of a lot of people agree with that as well <hes> unpopular opinion you shouldn't date your friends. X.'s pretty popular people are really going on but if you put on popular opinion before anything you say it gets more traction and that's a little life act for you okay. I liked that <hes> by the way did you see that Boris Johnson Guy. He's Basically Rob Ford and realize that Oh yeah he no. He is hilarious. I I don't know it's politics but he's hilarious. In terms of like just will bulldoze over a little kid while they're playing football the photo ops he gets himself into his a politician or just like out of this world. You can't believe that his team like he was in one like a crane lifted him up and he was wearing a union. Jack Suspend her outfit. I thought it was like a new ricky surveys. Show when I saw some of US gifts couldn't believe he looks like if Ricky surveys dressed up like donald trump and fell into an ocean. They didn't tell them off. Get enough yeah. He's just running around. Oh you know running over kids. Tackling people falling over the Rob Ford legacy is still alive I would actually I want to take it back. He's more like a mix between trump visually and Jeff Daniels from dumb and dumber okay that just kind of Eh puts out yeah and maybe a little touch sprinkle Mark Davis Mark. Davis has also seems Boris which is just that's always throws you off as you off this guy's from Russia yeah okay <hes> my hot seats is twitter again because fucking sucks. The update is the worst. I don't know why they keep doing it. Why do they keep doing it just to fuck with you and you know what the worst part and you talk about Jack through the people under the bus? Did you see that big article that was like here the three women that are behind the big twitter twitter update and they just got roasted on twitter now you can't do that. They give us names of the people who made the twitter up to hear the three bad ass women. That did the twitter update yeah. They have one person in any of these companies like I will. I will work for any of these companies for five million dollars a year. This is an open offer to just be the regular dude who you show it right before you launch. It and I can say that's stupid well. The thing is companies like this. They have so many employees that they have to come up with projects for for them to do right if they don't have a project just maintaining the existing website and then it's like you have to fire everybody because they're not doing anything new right. Just keep it running. He had just keep just keep it running just like change the font every now and again. How about that that's fine yeah? Give different fonts go back to stars instead of hearts down then allow porn have a section of twitter. Just for poor now works to <hes> my cool thrown is police officers N._y._p._d.. Police officers because people are throwing water on them to cool them off to cool them summertime so hot. Although I think they're doing maliciously yes like marathon runner type. I don't know they're just throwing water. It's malicious. It's like they shouldn't be doing it but the effect is that they're getting cooled off so they're literally on the cool thrown. I like that yeah what about what's to deal with the fire hydrants. What's the Law New York and you just open up hydrogen at anytime I drove by four dudes who are sitting in lawn chairs with an open fire hydrant? It looked like the most fun thing ever yeah. It's like the Moose that they weren't in Canada. They were just sitting there by the water. I like. I want to know what the rules for that are like is that something that just very leads can do or is that you have to have somebody from. The Public Works Department Yellow Vesco by doing. I think it's pretty legal but also very cool also very cool. It's cooler than it is illegal. Yes so go ahead all right we ready to do it. Let's do it <hes> we have. Our Mount Rushmore of the most average things in the world is going to be good is it I know I don't know it'll be alright. Who's WHO's going I? I think I go first time right me. First then Hank. Hank is a little nervous he said I don't really understand it. I'm never nervous because at the end of the day it's not about competition. It's just about fun. That's true. Were here lift each other up king support king. Are you ready. Let's do it <hes> my first average thing. I'm going to go with Kirk. Cousins cousins probably the most average quarterback that these two is. I've ever seen gene. He will beat every team that is less than eight and eight and he will lose to every team that is better than nate nate. He's one of those quarterbacks where if you go beyond prime time you're like okay. I'm I'm decently excited to watch this game but you never expecting to do anything great and guess what he never does can I can. I debate it okay. I think his contract makes him not average anymore so much fucking money. I think it makes them more out. No I think that makes them not because it highlights just how average using the kirk cousins is more average Andy Dalton Dalton is exceedingly. I think that Andy Dalton was at Kirk. Cousins level like two three years ago but some of that average shine has has been rubbed off on him a little bit. What do you mean he's not? He's lost luster with Lustre of being average. I think I think I would say don't might be more average and kirk cousins contracts makes and the whole like betting on himself and then having it work that an admiral guy doesn't do that. No I think he's very very average and also he's still got the haircut. The doofus haircut makes more average Andy Dalton when he got rid of the doofus haircut and got the glow up became less Appalachian average guy moved to try to glow no not really successfully ginger. No Hank go ahead yeah pudding pudding okay okay. I'm here for any kind of pudding Tapioca Vanilla pudding okay job shop nicer. Thank all right my I want my first pick will be. I'M GONNA go with a ham sandwich ham sandwich okay. I feel like you don't really get a ham sandwich. You know if you get like an Italian you got to spice it up with the Pepperoni and all the other stuff Turkey usually is the GO-TO ham sandwich like. I don't know you have it okay now not great now. He gets excited for it. You can can address up ham a little bit sometimes. When there's honey glazed ham that's different but a ham Sam Ham Ham? I had Turkey Sandwich on my list. I I would say Turkey is more average averaged ham. Now people like people like you can get a Turkey sandwiches really good. We don't eat the Turkey like Oh. This is great Turkey but you can use you can have great heavily average to Turkey is the fucking central point to a whole holiday. <hes> okay my second pick. It is oh I love. I love it fried Turkey all right <hes>. My second pick is going to be owning Toyota Camry. Are you serious you guys to know Oh. I had Toyota Camrys Toyota Corollas Corollas to step down yeah but it's more the average avalon is the is the elite that's the fucking the nicest car owning the world rollers. Your starter car cameras the like a making sixty five year. Maybe I got one kid or a dog. I'm feeling okay got my camera but you get that feeling sometimes. When you get in the back of a of a camry that you can stretch your legs out in the Corolla? Cameras always always like a little. I agree cameras. The fact that verse one here used to sell used cars I if I if I literally baller Kankan I both cameras. That's fucking baller. Step onto my lot. I'm putting you on your he's going kirk cousins right choice Parola Specifically Wednesdays. Oh good pig tank. The most average day really is Monday sucked to man two days and then Thursday and Friday basically the weekend owns as you can't be too good to get through it Yep. You can't go out on a Wednesday. no-one's the rest of your week. They'll try you feel okay but yeah and you're like you know not excited for the weekend yet because you still have two more days than Thursday. It's not even football yeah Wednesdays like waiver wire day. That's it. That's all Wednesdays. Good good pick Hank Hank. I liked that so I guess it can't do Toyota Corolla now. I'm going to go starter vehicle. I'm going to go with you to the band U._2. You too okay perfectly average. They got some songs. I'll listen to that. I won't change the channel on okay that I won't object to and then they've got a lot of songs and I'm like what the Hell is this. How many more songs can I hear <hes> Bano scream about like a polar bear drowning okay so <hes> yeah yeah you too is like the perfect band plus the ultimate the perfect and the ultimate dad band are the perfect band perfectly perfectly hit so right? They've got yeah. They've got a lot hits. It got a lot of clunkers and even some of their hits. Aren't that good like apple when like put music on your phone. Oh yes I'm thinking yes they wouldn't because they know that they're not gonNA offend anybody by pendant everywhere. Everyone was passed because I didn't ask for this all right. What's your next back all right my next one? I'm going go with the Winter Olympics. Okay and Winter Olympics all right you've got you've got a couple of decent events. I guess basket or up as well you've got you've got hockey nice. Okay Ski. Jump can be cool to watch for a night the problem. Tom Curling's awesome actually. Hey you gotta finish your State State when there's only two Olympics correct it's tough to be average right when there's only two there's either good or bad just specifically like the Olympics the Winter Olympics in general. It's like I think I like 'em yeah. I can't exactly I would i. I rely years exactly special treat summer Olympics or the Winter Olympics more summer obviously if it was in every year I would say yeah. Let's pretty average so summer. Olympics are great summer winter. Good average Olympics are average. We're now in Bob. Costas shows up with a pink eye. That's looking like he's been going. What about figure skating forgotten? He's been going Christian Yelich on somebody's asset. I'm fine with that but no winter. Olympics are just they're a very average edge. It's an average event but only every four years yeah okay averages every four years. You're correct hank. I'm running out of them but I have a shitload. I'll go with long sleeved shirts. Okay okay something you only want to put on like. That's not bad it's not it's not something you go out of your way to put on but it's like all right. I I don't want to be too hot. I don't WANNA be too cold but it's not like it's not a deciding factor. There's no there's no specific long-sleeve shirt weather. I actually the only thing I through online is homeless sweatshirt. You think that long sleeve embraced debate more average who the sweatshirt long-sleeve shirt hoodless sweatshirt okay because the sweatshirts are harder to come by hooded sweatshirt. It feels like there should be hood. They're her true. I love who sweatshirts all right so my twitter outfit yeah all right. My next pick is going to be in this. I I thought about okay who is the most average college football team of all time and when look it up I had one team that popped in my head and I looked up the numbers and it confirmed it to the Max North Carolina State football okay they. I looked it up there. Five ten overall for their entire history five hundred and ten winning percentage they have twenty twenty three of the last forty years. They've gone to a bowl game. All the ball games are like the exact same not good knock the gator bowl the sun bowl the independence bowl the minor key carbajal like okay. You had a good year. They had one year where they won eleven games in the last forty years. They haven't won more than ten otherwise every year obviously seven eight nine and then take out obviously feel rivers is the exception the rule but there to other quarterbacks in the N._F._l.. Right now Jacoby Percent Mike Glennon bradberry. He's Wisconsin lesson and I feel like every every like four or five years N._C.. State Beats Clemson Florida state on Thursday night so I I was going to use the quarterback as a position to dispute the averageness of N._C.. State because of Russell Wilson he's a Wisconsin Philip rivers all famer and he was great at at Wisconsin so rivers. I said he's because it Chuck Amato looking like if Guy Fieri Gary was a pit crew boss. Tom O'Brien such an average coach Chuquicamata with glasses. My next pick is going to be fuck. This is hard all right. I'M GONNA go with <hes> in the music genre John Cougar Mellencamp an average guy could come come across. He's not as cool as Bob Seger. He has nowhere near as many hits as Tom Petty his number. One Song is Jack and Diane Great doing the best they can. They're literally average people. He wrote a song long about average people and he's from Indiana and you're like oh he must be the most famous person famous from Indiana. Michael Jackson is most famous Indian musician so well John Cougar Mellencamp so but he wrote great songs about average people so for example he wrote. You're still hung up on Kirk. No no we're debating. We're debating here. He wrote pink houses. Another song about average people. He's average stock as averages could be hurt so good Ol town. Everything is just average. He wrote a banger about imposs- about S._e._M.. He's averages possible. John Cougar Mellencamp getting choked out you really is that guy you think like oh is he. No He's not Tomba's middle names also cougar yeah well. He dropped it though I think he's just John Mellencamp now that he's always tried to me. I think he's he's a he wrote great songs about average people like Bruce springsteen. Wouldn't you mean that's what boosted. That's what the Boston you have. Bruce has hits great songs about average people. Are Hey your last pick. I Dunno okay. I'll go. I have one if you want please. I wrote this down law and Order S._V._U.. That's good all right good big. It's not bad it's a show you don't turn off but you also don't really WanNa Watch you. Don't go anywhere to watch it but when it's on sometimes you watch go. Oh through the commercials does suck it does suck you in sometimes though but some sometimes you just flick right out yeah <hes> all right for my last one. This is gonNA be job Hank. You didn't have any more than that now knees in spring but I don't even know if that counts knees just the joint yeah okay news good <hes> my last one I'm GonNa go with this is tricky. I'm going to go with University of Pittsburgh. Football Okay strike that WO- A._C._C. Coastal football so you just taking N._C.. State as well I I had. I had both of these on my list okay. Actually I think at Pittsburgh is more average than in this state Dan Marino I think they won a national title or they went to national title game. They've had some good players national title over the A._C._C.. Coastal football is going to be my last one. I think it's very very average division. <hes> anyone can win on on any given year and then get their asses kicked in the conference championship game wait so isn't <hes> who's in the A._C._C. Coastal though I'm bringing it up right now because I think that you can <hes> Miami and Clemson Nsen Clemson Miami is definitely not average. Virginia Tech is also pretty pretty even when Virginia Tech is good. They're not that good though for Miami but then you're dealing with so you're dealing with your Georgia Texture Dukes U._v._A.'s your pits. It's your N._B._C.. Note Not Oh you know he's the only one North Carolina okay so that's what about Miami. That's a murderer's row of. Nobody giving a shit about you Miami. My is the you back. Georgia Tech's not running the triple option this year so fucked up so fucked up all right what else we got honorable mentions hank you got none wheel of fortune knees hollering. We'll force his good. I've had vanilla ice cream and Jeff Green thousand coli. I had Evan Turner Evan. Evan Turner has is his average nine point nine in his career. He's never averaged more than fourteen and he's never less than seven. That's pretty solid. He's pretty damn average. I had <hes> I twenty four hour fitness. Okay very average average Jim. Yes <hes> vodka okay mids what about <hes> owning a Labrador retriever yet but they're great dogs. They are great dogs very average Durga Dog <hes> what about snickers I feel like snickers as most average candy bar because it has peanuts but it's not the best peanuts with rhesus minute has caramel but it's not the blessed with Twix Milky Way <hes> so it doesn't do anything the best but it has it all at a subway subway sandwiches yeah. That's good the average eat it if you're hungry. I like that but you'll you would probably just walked past if there was some some other place on the block sent me Japan Outlay Aaa I was GONNA say my penis size but it's not <hes> below. I'M GONNA go amid okay what about Mac and cheese above ground pools MAC and cheese. I disagree. You don't think love Macintosh okay. <hes> Pay Warren starbucks the best you like orange the best there okay yeah yeah there okay it's yellow and pink the best and then orange and then red terrible no reds pretty good all right <hes> Indianapolis. I kind of like Indianapolis. I like it but it's average because it's not only only where all of the test ground for the chain restaurants but it also has two of the four major sports not all four yeah. It's just average. I've got a bleacher report website. Yes Jim Furic. Just Jim pure General Yup. That's that's good and what was my last one. Oh yeah the APP Pandora also good yeah pretty average <hes> desert bran muffins five nine five nine average perfectly perfectly average height and <hes> yeah. I think that's it all right. That was okay Mount Rushmore very okay very okay this we have some good ants moderately consensual. Yes really swarmed on me on that one. Well it but you know what that's fine spirit about rushmore signs because we like the debate on the show and you know what we'll let the audience decide. It's tough when two of the three of us say to the camera and then you insist that it's the Karol I think the corollas more average than you can be a baller in a camera the the crawlers starve you quit some dis on that avalon is the elite luxury it's literally three classics. I would say the middle is right camry for that reason. Yande would be the starter vehicle then you upgrade to a corolla. I'm happy that I picked that when I did because men I was. Everyone had the toyotas on there all right. Let's get to our interview with Adnan virk. When do we take this about a week and a half ago? I said some things about Joel. Madden the cubs have been okay since so. Maybe I'll take those back but before we do that hank funny enough grand theft auto is one of our ads. You actually did not know that really you did not know this. 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He is Adnan virk. Okay we now wow welcome on a very special guests when we've actually done work with in the past we were on a radio show with you. Once no twice twice right out of the gate big Cat Jason Kidd show as matrimonial not here's the memory so I I met you guys in Miami. I was never still for the All Star game. It was the first time we met we did the show and then fifties right when you guys were on the E._S._p._N.. You Call Jason Kidd. Kidd was great. Let us right. He was like no problem you call him on talks. The show gets greenland again second. Yes so that's the voice Adnan virk you you. You came with a posse. I didn't know that things have changed so you're you're at zone now. You have two podcasts G._M.. Shuffle and Sinophile and then you host shows on zone own and you have a policy when did that happen. I know it's weird foul as you guys know me. I'm just a little Canadian and I love the fact by the way of teas laptop. He has a sorry right there for so he's put out there for me but I just think that if you have a Possi like who are you stand age honestly honestly like I just feel like you're I really know these guys on the street ten bucks coming here. Barstool fans like yeah great. That's actually not a bad business. Model is just like tender except for dudes to roll with you. Play yes right yeah. What's this guy do? I don't know stands mackerel. backroll number looks very important yeah. I'm glad you brought up to zone right off the bat because we've struggled with the pronunciation zone now does own yeah it is disowning and I don't blame you right. You see it and you go is it is a dazzling. I'm not really sure but it is dissolved. which I think is different? It's a cool name Italy's big every four letter it is. It's four letters still not I wouldn't say I'm a fan of I mean it's okay but what about the first him someone said Barstool. Somebody who's GONNA beating goes <hes>. What do you mean like like like like cheers like barstools? How does that relate to sports and they do great Barstool Yeah Yeah? I guess it's just more of the confusion if you make if you make something confusing for me I'm kind of out already well. Here's what happened so e._S._p._N.. I see four letters one vowel in in writing the letters and I see zone for letters one vowel in like wait. It's not easy and I'm so dumb that when it's not dumb my brain has been conditioned to say supports networks by letter so you actually you got started working at T._S._N.. That's right yeah Eh and fun fact people forget the T- and T._S._N.. Stands for the that's perfect sports very little right. I like Haidian all right so how is zone going so you have the baseball whiparound right. That's right so changeup which and I wanNA talk about cubs a minute okay. I really want to get your thoughts Joe. This is keeping me well. This is the thing so just pipe up the show I so it's from seven pm to one am live look all the Games as they happen and me and Scott Rogowski. WHO's illegitimate comedian are on from seven to ten Lauren Gartner? Tony Lochner ten PM to one A._M.. So whip style all the Games is they happen which is great well. What's better than one piece of cheesecake? You've got Tempe cheesecake all the Games as they happen all the best moments trout Machado etc.. Let's talk about your cups yeah so everyone keeps centre-right Joe Mad on the hot seat and I get the fact that cubs underachieved and I understand the fact that division is poor. It's obviously a mediocre but whenever you fire guy you have to be able to say hey we've got the next man up like who's the one lurking in the wings. Inc People Think David Ross Ryan Sandberg no I I say that right. We already passed awesome. He was going to be the guy to be the guy and then you know. I actually think people think Dave Ross. I swear to God okay if it's Rossi that I'm all I think the way that the manager position Asian in baseball has moved to now. It's less about like the XS and os because they have so many guys upstairs at do that shit for right Aaron Boone he someone basically sets up the whole game for him. He doesn't decide that the he doesn't have to make these these big decisions as much as he did. Maybe in the past it's a lot more about keeping a clubhouse together and having like you know I think David Russell degraded that aspect. I have to know specifically with Buni what to what level is if you want me to call him. I'll call him but who nice flex but honestly I I can't picture this big literally Brian Cashman like boonies wearing a earpiece and he's like okay Jonathan holder yeah I know I think it's already in place this do this do this. It's like almost like a choose your own adventure so you know book that you're reading every game so it's not it's not like you're not making decisions. Just a lot of the decisions have been made for you collectively back to Joe Man. The only reason that he's like S- quote unquote on the hot seat is because he's never contract right. They knew this was going to happen if I don't give him an extension before this season and the cubs don't win aren't on pace to win one hundred ten games there will be Dobie spots in the summer where people will be like. Are they going to fire right but my question is a cubs fan. Do you think Joe Madness still a good manager I do. I think he's a good manager. I do think he I think there's an element of it's it's very complicated but I think there's an element of two thousand sixteen. Even after winning the world series there were some things that happened in that clubhouse that he never fully repaired the fact he wasn't going to be happy oldest Chapman's arm fellow right and just not using guys in the right spot and I think there is the element of you know a lot of guys will say to the media that they don't care about how they get shifted up and down the lineup but it matters to play the guys don't like batting in different spots data. There's an ego issue. I don't only hit six. You're right even that it's just like you get comfortable in a spot so I think a little bit of that a little bit of switching out guys and playing musical chairs appoints he I think Joe Madden is a great manager. I think he was perfect Eric for a young team once you get to a veteran team. I think it gets a little bit different. I also think that there's an element of I always look at it. If you fired Jomo Jomon doesn't resign extra. He's going to get picked up somewhere else right. He's a very the question isn't is he a good manager because he is a good manager. It's is good manager for this team right now and he's a guy like if you look in football like Marty Schottenheimer used to be where it's like yes. He's an awesome coach right but if you keep them around the same team for too long it just becomes like Charlie. Brown's teacher won't want you kind of tune them out. Phil Jackson was the rule of seven seven years that he the guys tune them out and you want to basically change over the entire team. Otherwise people will just not listen. I know some who don't like Joe Madness that he makes it about himself. You might look bad. Sometimes it's a good thing right right takes the pressure off because he's funding. Why did he tell stories for an hour as a magician? If you want to see a parent can say a million things about Joe Madden if you want to critique them but the one thing he always does and I respect is he never ever ever lets his players get the blame always stands in front of his players he alw- he never you will never see him take shots at his players through the media which a lot of managers do right. He never does that shit so in that respect he absolutely is great for them. Also has a hell the spin move yeah vic can Joe Jonathan Ogden yes so baseball is you're covering it every night. Yeah we've talked about it and I think everyone talks about it in the media like where does baseball go with none of these guys being like superstars yeah and it's such a regional sport. You just only care about your team right what you fix baseball for us so I think commissioner per day yeah. You've got some ideas yeah. You don't have nothing wrong with the juice juice ball if the opposite fighting is a good thing I think this I do agree that the sports become regionalized but I feel like I'm still that guy who just loves watching the game like I get the fact the All Star game numbers go down every year but I'm the guy that still loves introduction. I Still WanNa know what all these guys look like with their hats so I guess I'm not one who's personally reflective of the demographic would just saying that baseball is not a national sport because to me it is because our show listen to your point Dan. If you're a cubs fan you watch the game on W._G._N.. And then after the game you flip over to change regard already got my cubs so my regional fixes satiated right. Now you know what I do WanNa Watch kershaw and Chris Paddock and Manny Machado whomever so I think that I fight that notion of I just watched my team in that set. I do think that happens in this sport more than others but I do think that because listen you could argue that in the N._B._A.. Did you really care about the Hawks and the wizards loan. I really yeah. I'm a big wizards for stars. Watch for stars in N._F._l.. You Watch a game because there's only there's only sixteen right college football saint thing that's the only in baseball I feel like you do watch stars a little bit too so yeah so you like your regional team but then yeah I would. I would watch Manny Machado yet. I'll tease I would watch Craig Kimbrel get into the game and do his weird little dance that he goes your whole game but chain rages five minutes. That but but it's hard to watch star it's hard to be like I can't wait to watch Mike Trout tonight when he could go and have four bats right in two of them could be a walk and a single ride. That's not and it happens. You know an hour apart from each other. That's the problem with baseball is it is not it doesn't lend itself to watching stars night in and night out where you're like this guy like in Basketball Lebron James Yeah you know he's GonNa play forty two minutes right. You know have the ball in his hand. You know he'll shoot the ball twenty five times right when you watch baseball. If you're watching reaching for a star you might get four five bats. Here's why I think helps ESPEC- specifically change zone which is fantasy fantasy baseball huge just like football so if you agree with P._T.. You still like to watch sports and your big into fantasy baseball then. I think it's that's for sure that's gamble gamble and fancy then I think there you go that's fixed baseball more gambling more fantasy or are they going to be open to gambling though is manfred like everyone talks about Adam silver being we we always joke with this show. Adam silver piece of the desert has the easiest job in the world because the other three commissioners are so resistant to change Adam silver conditions like yeah gambling sounds good idea dim adam silver. What a fucking forward thinker Oh yeah he he's sometimes just changes too much? He goes based off. Whatever is the most recent rettig yeah right ars slash N._B._A.? And then at that he's got a job of silver. That's his name. Everything's progressive saying gambling is good for the sport right having that be like a hot take in comparison to the other three commissioners is insane. He's not even saying anything crazy saying we're going to grow the pie so is rob Manfred GonNa do the same thing we'll say dessert. We're completely in cahoots with Major League Baseball because change is done in Secaucus so the studios there is where we are so m._l._b.'s been great Robin Day passionate Taylor. We have Harold Donaldson. We have Dan Police Act on we have Eric Burns on that guy's a nut so I do think that the line's been blurred a little bit so maybe Major League Baseball because you know what we're not doing M._l._b.. Network but if dissolved wants to do unchanging yeah okay sure we're partners but it's a separate entity go ahead Kevin Millar on and have him just to dig talk based on every player. That's okay let me tell you about this guy's package right now unlike before I came here of course I did let everybody know how I'm going to go see big cat and they're like oh great asthma. What happened with intentional talk? I've heard the story okay got it. So do you work in you. Don't work in the same areas and building with walls in. I haven't had a chance yet but I think the record so you guys have done collectively we had the record collectively was the record junior yeah I hit. We had a total of six six say Hank Aaron and he's no we had a total of six home runs seven billy ripken and cower spot here where we are right now if I may say it's nice but it's a little stair while I was expecting like hoops and stuff and like Yeah Priscilla comes this specifically Russillo hosting a show someone who's actually funding is a nice. That's GONNA hurt. Listen Priscilla's pillows a great dude as we like him he <hes> he's definitely he was such an advocate for you guys seriously before I had made you guys he was now. You'RE GONNA love these guys yeah right and you know your image can be for some Aqa. I'm not sure it controversial. It's one of these guys do ron has a great right so he is as big. A fan of your's is you guys are of him so let's let's talk about some E._s._p._N.. Sure all right you got fired. Are you addicted to leaking stuff. Do you have a problem a leak problem. Are you going to just tell everyone. What are you going to release this podcast podcast before we even release it? No I in this case. These guys are here runoff announcing tomorrow morning. They WanNa make sure that we fall the right. Protocol Burke cannot be trusted on his own. We have by army here Aliki. I feel like that type of thing happens a lot though like in sports media these websites they get their scam somewhere right explain it explain the holes yes why why was it different when on it but give it to us for real. Don't give us the Miller Richard Dash like let's clean. Those guys had your back man. That's what I have to tell you guys. Whatever this thing happens and I prayed have you ever? Have you ever been fired before. Oh yeah one time from E._S._P._N.. Yeah that's true relatable right. I slightly longer. Your guys can't relate to this yeah but like when you're watching unfolding. It's like watching your own funeral. You're listening to podcasts people. Adnan was regarded as a good guy he was well. I'm still here. I'm making X. Right now for my kids I'm still here. I got plenty of hot takes. I'm ready to go yeah and then and here's some people being and of course if you line okay at best. You'RE GONNA go if it's fifty fifty. You feel pretty good but I was looking. I'm like Oh people are more my son. Yes like this guy's a good guy. The shouldn't happen and as you mentioned Jim Miller indicts those guys take it easy. I know he shouldn't have been fired. I mean but like he probably did leak something. He's not he's not deep throat here at the Pentagon papers all right walk us through it so you so tell us the whole story because people who don't know like what what exactly happened. You've been E._S._P._N.. Forever right the story comes out that it was. What is it a baseball tonight news that you had maybe talked to someone on background that that's the part that sucks you got fired for fucking leaking baseball news the time our time of baseball tonight sort of news ever? I wouldn't even know that news said it wasn't exactly the Pentagon papers right yeah right. The bag is you'd probably go with something a little bored Cindy right made. This is a little more crazy but honestly I've been there for nine years. I thought a good resume. I done a lot of work on a lot of different shows and had a good time and sometimes listen you you develop relationships with guys in the media and you just you know it isn't the thought to be anything nefarious or anything sinister but in this this case E._s._p._N.. was really upset about it and they were going to part ways and it's kind of like a marriage in many ways a relationship with somebody something happens you can hang on a second. This isn't that big a deal Disney go. I don't understand like I I. Didn't you know I'm sorry. No you're out that was that can kind of get the flat flat screen TV. No can't get a couch. We're done embarrasses oversee later we go what was it was about the league itself because I feel like leaks happen in this business all the time. They're like numerous websites out there that have sources inside whether it's F. S. one where it's E._S._p._N.. Wherever was it was it the leak or did you right after you got caught re like no it wasn't me and they're like let's see your phone? You're like Oh yeah he kind of was yeah. I think it was the whole situation probably just became unfortunate and they just didn't like I don't know I guess the the way that the sequence of events unfolded founded but honestly I'm lucky the way things worked out because if you guys know this industry is very tricky man like something happens and also Nagar that's it. It's done in a black mark. He's GonNa scarlet letter but thankfully that wasn't the case I mean for me. I was really lucky that John Skipper gave me this opportunity. Jimmy Horowitz came and did this. Oh honestly eastern great a great place to work the last seventy two hours not great. You guys know what that's like. Yeah getting pulled. The plug is not fun but <hes> you know it's worked out well so it sounds like it was shocking though when it happened when you were like wait. This is really happening really going down traumatic. That's crazy if you look at Google right now top five stressors in life and it's like death of a loved one. I think number two is like a divorce but like getting fired is right there moving relocating waiting you got four boys and we're living in central Connecticut. Life is bliss and all of a sudden boom. You're at Super Bowl Sunday. You're getting boom yet. What's trending because it got buried? Although the Super Bowl sucked everyone's like let's get talk to you about fifteen point. I thought it would get buried because it was on before the Super Bowl but my understanding is actually was the opposite because everybody was online on their phones tweety big day ACSI Bay Internet. Oh wait what happened avert and achievable suck to dance boy the eagles so she's still be champions. Superbowl was so loud. was there any element of relief because like for us when we get fired I was like sweet. I don't have to do that show for sixteen more sixty more weeks sweatpants on exactly I mean there's certain elements that you like listen with E._S._p._N.. It's a great place to work but it does consume your life and work. Life balance is not a strength and maybe that's my own fault just thought it was dedicated the job so much so hey you want me to film with Russillo no prob you already do Mike and Mike Golic and wingo shirt in addition to doing doing baseball Tonight College Football College <unk> Cetera so I think when you're there because it's so competitive because the people are so talented you naturally have it overwhelm your life which is not a good thing right now that I met zone. I'm Living Hocus New Jersey fifteen miles from Manhattan like I feel that there's a lot more balancing my life which was it was on E._S._p._N.. Spot like it's my fault. I just kind of let the job overwhelming yeah yeah and it doesn't reward you in the end. They want all right right called sick for nine years. Good luck to you right. That's that's should take your sick and your vacation. Bank is living proof proof of that not pass on those because they can fire you anymore. Right now is GONNA go. Hey He did cut showed his paternity time. You take your full potential. No not you took a afternoon yeah. I'm telling you right now. You can take your time. What do you how Sunday off? What's any time you get here? I don't think there is is a I think you could I I actually I don't even know like we could at Barstool. I think I could probably not show up for two months and send a few emails and people if I kept undoing pardon my take people wouldn't say anything right but then there's a chance that I could show up for one not one afternoon. Everyone was like what the fuck are you but this you guys worked for E._S._p._N.. Right I literally was on your first program at E._S._P._N.. Correct and it was a short stint but if you were to compare the environments of Barstool and E._S._p._N.. Yeah that actually is one. The lessons we learned was don't be in a situation where other people can kinda control your destiny here we control our own destiny and we make our own content and we don't really have to answer to anyone always ask what is the beauty of this place like we get to do whatever whatever we want right and talk to whoever we want go anywhere we want and I don't think there's many places in the media in two thousand nineteen where the creators have that freedom all kidding aside. If I see these guys listen you can have a huge hit show on E._S._p._N.. which would be awesome or no? I swear literally the whatever you like you do it every we're giving you zero restrictions. If you ask an actor if you asked a singer musician whomever you've zero restrictions money's decent everything's good or you're in a corporate machine your big billboards but you better follow the company line. Oh equal amounts of money no chance at all. I would go anywhere near E._S._P._N.. For that right now the job that we have we set our own schedule like the most control that anybody has over our schedules when we all agree okay. We're meeting at this time to talk about this. This weird idea that we've got that we're going to somehow make work. Despite itself like that is the most that's the most rigid that we get in our day. We don't have production meetings that are so we don't have bosses that we really report to write with the exception of like if we fuck up at some point somebody asked us. Hey why did you fuck up and then we tell him what to sell out money. If you could save a mouse so let's let's go the other way so that's less money to work here rather than the big corporation. If you're talking sell out money I'd take Rick Reilly. That's the way I draw the line you start throwing milley's around and it's like W W salary to major corporation but they will tell you exactly what to do you guys I don't know different way. I want suits and ties. I don't know I don't know about the suit and tie. I did that for three weeks worth three weeks. It's my life that was that was right before the soup. That's why I didn't pay that much attention. You'd get fired because I was concerned wearing a fucking neck. I did get a shot on your podcast so I do appreciate that. was that was fired. You guys said friend of the friend of the Oh yeah well yeah we do. I appreciate even though you leak week everything yeah. Have you been tested zone. Have they been like adding get out of the room. Thankfully they have not put in a strong anti-drug would make so many of those jokes that you were here. It would be part of friendship all right you can be able the bus guys job right now. We're not actually recording this. We're going to let you know and we're going to see what you put out what turns up online and then if if there's nothing then we'll have you back and we'll do the addiction so after Uber Uber Driver W._b.. Here in London between us after you leave E._s._p._N.. I imagine it takes some time to get your thoughts together. You know what you WANNA. Do I read that you pulled an ultimate fire guy move and you grew a beard. Oh that's nice. That's a great move I wish I could do that's the one drawback to not having good facial find the picture but I I was inspired by lettering excessive what after thirty plus years of having to shave every day I thought was I'm not shaving. That's all I care about so I went a good three weeks without shaving and and it was embarrassing because it was a way twenty white hairs so I had this crux here. Do I diet like Keith Hernandez Jewish men. I dye my hair okay because there's nothing wrong with that right otherwise. I looked like I was fifty seven years old as long as you admit it as long as you say that you die. You're gonNA tell somebody preemptively oh by the hey guys sorry. I just started my beard knowing that you have to say that John Conversation by saying I've done yeah yeah. No you have to be like hey just so you know I'm dying. I tell people like hey preemptively before judgment here because I want to be a coach K.. The one of these guys whose weirdly got jet black hair late in life we open about it but it growing appeared to me it was liberated and then I had to go for interviews and stuff and I was to shave the beard weight. Keep the Beard Power Journal move having a nice beard like Bob Lee Lobley. I believe his career. He had a real stiff when I started E._S._p._N.. Twenty ten it was like I I don't think it's probably the Yankees no facial hair rule but you had to be somebody special to do it now. Everybody has a beard. If you don't have a beer yeah then people think withdrawing the did you not get the memo. Do you see Palmer by the way started the trend he was the first got E._S._p._N.. Went Cool Beard Jesse H damn good looking if he does you're like okay yeah. We'll have that on the air. No press looking Canadian think E._S._P._N.. Is like trying to be more friendly to their talent in that respect that like I I'm always fascinated with how the media works and how E._S._p._N.. Because let's be honest when they when they hired us to do borrow van talk they wanted like the coolness of what we bring right and kind of a relatable -bility that they might not have any more. Do you think that they're we're gonNA switch back because there's been a weird trend where I think E._S._p._N.. Got Lost a little bit and you felt like you. Didn't you know the big sets and all this technology. It's like what we care about is connecting with human beings right. I do remember for an anchor. I can't remember what family says something about when they unveiled that set hundred million dollars set gorgeous and the acres are this big right and he goes yeah that's E._S._p._N.. He goes nothing's bigger than the brand where I giant sports are Johnny Spann the anchors of this base so that was intentional obviously is to just be like hey we can just change out people left and right and the brand keeps going on which I guess is smart. Yeah I was going to say in that respect is you don't want to put too much power in the form of labor. Nothing's bigger than the brand which I think is accurate gives a damn that I'm not there awesome yeah and it's the history of E._s._p._N.. I think the the talent did get bigger than the brand at points like Kelly. Dan Patrick can kill morning Olbermann and they were able to squash that right but it's always interesting to me because I feel like E._S._p._N.. For the longest longest time it was just they are the worldwide leader they dominate everything and now in the last few years. It's been like well. Maybe not yeah I think listen you guys have proven that other other shows of that listen personality does count. There's going to be people who say well. Nothing's more important the content of course I mean you're not GonNa Watch lousy movie. If the story's bad he has actors you like directors like etc but if you have personalities that like it within not enhanced the story right late night shows right. That's a perfect example say I don't really care what the late night I just WanNa. Watch valid or Colbert Kolberg Cetera it used to be the tonight show in capital letters right when Conan was doing it and the fact that Jay WanNa take it back and him and let him in fighting over it now I watched Colbert. What's valid and watch whomever it is right to your point? I think you're right that E._S._p._N.'s always have a leg up there for forty forty years right now at forty year had started. You've done some great things over the ways. They're obviously a lot of smart people. They're strong infrastructure etc but if you have more personality enhanced mediums I think if a chance which we do with zone certainly change it with our boxing coverage or enhancer personalities what you guys do as well zone. I've noticed that they've done a very good job. Recently of sponsoring fights that have a lot of blood and crazy knockouts like they're big. They get the tweets up on twitter like within seconds of a knockout so like it's it's started to work. Its way into the subconscious already. Ah Okay disown is out here and there will be a player. I heard that they are thinking about doing n._f._l.. Right stuff to which would be going after direct T._v. a little bit now that would be here well. Let's go back to again with E._S._P._N.. Look at how football changed that place in the eighties right yeah we all grew up a countdown etc.. I remember talking to Chris Berman. You know it's so cool. It's funny. You can't be like I literally met these people that I was friendly with these people I wrote a car with Chris Berman to the world series in two thousand thirteen and like just geeking out the whole time like boomer tell me stories and and Chris Berman when he talks like he removes like words meaning. He says he'll just go people look at me football baseball and what he's saying is people look at me and think I'm just a football guy but I love baseball yeah and he's telling me the San Francisco giants or my favorite team like Eh Diehard Baseball Fan. I'm like really is a baseball is the reason I got in this business. This is Chris Bourbon. This is like Mr Football Primetime but he said listen at that nexus of time he realized football with skyrocketing and just jump on the wagon and go and change E._s._p._N.. foxsports was fledgling scheduling nineteen ninety-four. They got football boom. So there's no question I love baseball. As much as anybody's favorite sport always will be but I loved the N._F._l.. And if you get the N._F._l.. That changes things so if we disown gets football listen I'd be ecstatic. I'd be over the moon. I'd be raising my hand. Can I be a part of it. We've got N._F._l.. In Canada Nah you guys know him Canadian. I'd love to be a part of that coverage so yeah dude if we could N._F._l.. Rights I'm not privy to tell us about the ongoing negotiation yeah. Please let us know everything right. I negotiate they've got Oh sure why I think a lot of the table. He puts you in a skiff one of the security kind of a random question yeah. How much did cereal suck for you well? It was hard because then everyone in a first nobody knows your name and all of a sudden they go wait. You're the guy who emerged talks about movies on file cast I do so I think it helped in terms of brand awareness yeah but it sucks when you said your name and it's like boom the next most famous guy with your name right is the hit podcast murder well. Here's the other part of it too so my name is correctly pronounced a non which is the serial guys pronunciation but as I was only five years old in kindergarten and they're doing all the names and they said my name is Adnan. I go all right. I'm just GonNa go that and it sounds cleaner Canadian the view right Burkha and Canadians short as Mike Modano not Mike Madonna shortage so I just always want with Adnan then cereal comes up and they go. It's a non they go away which one of us the imposter or the sportscaster we should've fucking done when he got fired or shoot the Free Adnan Tac tac yeah everyone crossing stream. The other problem too is if you say my name's an-and Adnan which sounds like a robot right right yeah I mean I that would suck. That's like a nightmare to have some some. You know there was a man who was a murder. That's when Florio fucks up I get a little crossbar occasion comes across your phone P._F.. T arrested for hit and run knows how Mike again after listen. Do you guys think he did it. I I'm so dumb that my brain has been polluted to not know the answers to any questions in modern media now so like the the point of that podcast is just inundate you with both sides of everything like the show would not be interesting if it was just very clear that he was railroaded and sent to prison for a crime he didn't commit yeah likewise. The show would not be as interesting if it was very obvious I did it so their job is to make it very even cited so I think he probably did it. Yeah all things being equal but I also I think I'm smart enough to know that I have no fucking idea. He didn't do it or is unbelievable. Sociopath yeah that part where you get tricked yourself. You're like wait. This guy's really likeable well of course if he's a murderer you know sociopaths can tape Patrick Bateman yeah right just trick yourself into thinking about it but yeah I guess I guess I'd say yes no. I don't answer your big. No no but I just 'cause we have the same name okay. What about you gonNA murdering spree? It's still defend him like he's fine Hank Worcestershire remember any of the details of the super a lot of hype for that was a little long eight episodes of this and they have the Netflix series and there's a book as well. I don't need the book has got it didn't do it. I started her to watch the Netflix series and I was like I can't watch the more upbeat like Trudeau. Listen listen just giving you don't have to these free and some innocent project all right. Let's I'll end with this question. WPRO <hes> sneaky question Promo Code take you put in a Promo Code. Take you ten dollars off <hes> seek purchase Sopranos. What was the ending who who died? You know there's this very artistic through which I'm going to go with which is that because the camera from Tony's P._O._V. Right point of view is he's watching what's happening and then the lashed he looks up and it goes to black so I believe that David Chase actually wacked us he the audience we're watching him and we go to black. We can't see any more of the stories we get killed. I like that I remember watching that real time thinking my cable went out. You know I'm one of the few who did not be. I was enraged though I said what a cop I was screaming David Checa. What does he die or not? That's brutal yeah my buddy with news. Go no the cables to such an artsy move to not in the movie. It's unambiguous ED bigger so for the critics like this is exactly what happened to this. Is what French film to do in the sixties. We're not GONNA end the movie garbage the lassie the Sopranos I I feel like Deja Vu though with last season game of thrones where if if you remember in real time I remember having this conversation. Everyone's so mad because like we need to kill everyone. Why the hell are these people still alive like this is? It's so hard to end these shows that you become invested in. Everyone and you're like well. Everyone's gotTa die. What the FUCK SO I? I bought Jesse Palmer the Sopranos last year. I heard it's like a what he does. He endings worst ending ever gets one of the great shows of all time because they go by for you. Make your own decision so he texted me last week couple weeks. We've got to do surveys show ever told you that and he goes. I was just expecting a lot of murder and blood. I thought it'd be more of that because of game of thrones. That's not the way you should evaluate a show which beloved character gets murdered next right Agatha Christie. This show is awesome right. Watch the last two game of thrones because I'd never seen the show I saw the first episode wasn't for me. I'm just making dungeons and dragons yeah right. I'M NOT GONNA hate liane fantasy but I watched the last two with my wife and thankfully she was giving me spoilers because I didn't know what that was going on and all I cared about was D- English. He's awesome. I love the station. He was terrible. The End Right I go it includes okay and he lived. That's all I cared about. I lived in Soda Dinka. Yes I would just a second act for both of them. I would say the I mean if we're looking at the best of all time that landed the plane at the end that actually had breaking breaking bad would be like the best it can get any better than the bullet. Everything felt clear <hes> his kids still get the money Jesse gets away. He's conscious does die which I think at that point doesn't want to die to die killed the white supremacist yeah right the wire to wire just because of the you know the system rolls on the relentless strike right then relentlessly. I don't want like I don't go to Baltimore and see what's happening. I don't just sit through this show depressed about my life. It is before we let you go. Do you have any questions for us. Yeah I brought a gift for you guys to listen to you had Jillian Ataman Stars here so I brought straight from Canada. Make those are really good. Look originally. I was just going to give him too big cat because he had the baby but that's not. Why should you have to have a kid so what you go maple cream 'cause 'cause I'm you know I just think you're going to bring a gift? You guys have what's been going on a diet but <hes> they look delicious. I started one yesterday. No no I'm just trying. I'm listen. It's gotten gone away from me. It's got to wait for that something to like if you in your hypothetical that if we had to work at E._S._p._N.. Probably probably make me lose weight okay. How about this because anything is possible yeah right? The famous quote was happy to see in Bristol on your review mirror okay. They've had said that after Kim but it was a former egg okay but listen Keith Olbermann did not go on the best terms is now back several. What's what are the odds Youtube Iraq E._S._P._N.? I go back to him one day zero. I'm not saying zero percent. I'm going to say one percent because if they make us like president of the entire company if we end up owning E._S._p._N.. One day see I I will go back and I will. I will just program myself onto every show I would love for them to make me godfather offer and then I can make it public and go. I'd men on them. I'm just fucking leak it and and be like turn it down right and you don't have proof of that but yeah I do yeah here yeah here we go and so that would be my move. How often were you guys actually in central Connecticut? I saw you the one three gain enough of an impression of it did not fall in Bristol now. I've also heard that some people have run into trouble there for accidentally stealing over the course of the years and that's something that we could find ourselves in some hot one office supply like Mack Brown or Bill Polian effort goes back many cats yeah those guys that used to programs. We're literally the everything's on the house. They go right ahead. It's fine right. You are running the program right any store in Texas and just take what everyone off the shelf right so chips you're like. Is that really going to be an issue. Exactly tomorrow in didn't do well is that is that on us right now. It gets that isn't it. That's not good. I'M GONNA say one percent just in the event that they would make me like an executive there and I would just get to debate stephen a Smith. I would go back for that. It's behind the scenes debate. The loves the spot just have them in my real they yelling but I'm sure people still ask asked me Oh you worked at E._S._p._N.. What Stephen a Smith? I think that's like when you're removed from it now. You realize that everything is Steven. Yeah Star like you can ask me any questions all the people I know it was just Stephen as stores. Just want him so give us your best nice story one. I think it's listen. I think he's a nice guy. Obviously plays the role of trolling and having fun so I'm filling in on Mike and Mike and I was smashing concussion the Will Smith Boo because it just said it was a terrible film and not totally true and he tweeted and he goes Ah tweets at me he I think he falls zero. People probably Jay Bilas. He falls at one guy. Maybe and it just goes on. You're doing a great job but don't you ever come up my man. We'll Smith disres- equate. I just got called up. I see what you re tweet like like this more than once a week. Smith called me out clown me yes take that for. He's going to get ten million dollars. Oh and he's going to be worth every penny because he works his ass. I talked to somebody that that works over there and they said very interesting point which Stephen and Max Max thinks it's a debate show Steven A. knows it's an entertainment show Steven A. Gets it and he can pretty much name his price right now. If I said you guys what do you watch and he's going to listen to Lebatardshow is hysterical hysterical right because those guys get it. They know that it's fun. It's loose and it's great and as far as live events federal Jovovich I was living in with Rondo yeah you can't which is the goat brutal. I said I root for a guy who keeps losing the joke fish. I couldn't believe you said to be Jovic. Is Your Go. Yes Rogers the greatest of all time okay but then what happens when he plays Jovovich listen the guy was thirty eight year end thirty eight years old and he took him to a tie-break the first ever in the history of Wimbledon in five sets and you're going to call them a loser that was to see that's bull shabby hiring. He's he's out there doing it yeah. He's almost one two match points right beforehand to champs. The approach did not go deep enough in Kotor Yikes. He's not going to have the numbers twenty majors. That's the number one all time okay. How many campuses fourteen yeah separates put his were more impressive? You can make the quality over at long no you so everyone says oh <hes> Federer and joke which they have to deal with higher levels of Competition Adele Disagree Sampras was just that much better than everybody else that he was playing at the time what is tricky in all seriousness. It's federal came up when those guys were fading like sampras-agassi correct yeah he never had to face early DESCR and now he's late in his career facing these guys the prime so it is tricky. You can't lineup federal screw satellite burden Jordan and not the same time yeah Berkeley Mad Yep bird was better bitch. That's easy. Comparisons Yovich is going to end up with the most grand. Slim's and we'll have a better record against Federer all-time even then in your vote is here. Here's why Rod Labor does not have the most majors all time but if you ask tennis aficionados they say Rod Labor's the greatest of all so. I don't give a fuck about tennis aficionados. I don't even I've been a tennis has fan for one day and I'm already quit the sport U._S.. Open but it's over but it's like saying Derek Judas better than CAL ripken because he has this many world series championships yeah there could be if you want to go ahead with federal still we'll have more CAL ripken pinstripes he doesn't okay and of course I'll be like I do not want to talk about that. You could come back back. No thing those cookies again <hes> all right man. Thank you so much find him onto zone co host the G._M.. Shuffle and Sinophile you can get them both on Apple Apple Stitcher all those places where podcasts are found perfect Russillo put into work for me to have me no no no. We like we said Yeah. I don't care what everyone else says. On this show I got to yeah exactly a lot of people say that you're kind of fucked up guy right yeah leave. Everything and we're like oh my reputation all right. Thanks man. Thanks guys in that interview is brought to you by Capterra. Do you guys remember nineteen eighty nine that was year. The World Wide Web was invented. 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I man so I was kind of in and out of watching it was there enough. The men tell all episode so I missed the beginning but this is what happened. Lupi showed up to the rose ceremony with an engagement ring despite being sent Home Mehanna last episode psycho move things almost get that'll work right. When when you get broken up with the best thing that you can do is just be like hey we're getting married right? Yeah things almost get almost between Luke P in other gods beforehand sending home against what trend sent me things almost almost between Luke P and the other guys beforehand sends them home again so I'm guessing this was hot because the second part that I saw which is like the tell all episode where it's all the all the cast come back together. It was Luke P and then whatever the other twenty guys and the other twenty guys is went down in wine just roasting the shit out of Lupi he just stood there and Mike took my call them a narcissistic cantankerous misogynist those and then it was like the next guy roasts next guy sounds like a chocolate milk had right yeah. That's Nice so oh yeah. It's like the in his brain. That's like win a woman if she gets broken up with then she like fakes a pregnancy or she like shows an ultrasound. Take me back that sort of thing in dumb guys brain. It's like Oh you broke up with me well. We're actually engaged yeah. Sorry sorry let's just get married. I love you so much and then finally Hannah had to come out during the towel episode and address Bachelor Nation like she was like a president and she was like she to apologize for not realizing how much of an Asshole Lupi was and for keeping around as long as she did she had to she had to be like Bachelor nation and like I have I need to tell you this tracing listen up. She's sorry for giving him a platform. Yeah Okay so happy. Are We loopy. Ohana Lupino can be had a B. Lupi. Damn I get those confused. So what are we down onto last three and who are they pilot Pete Dead Tennessee Jed. I forgot the third guy with the with the sister the hot Guy Tyler see the Hawkeye. Okay Tom who's which one of these was a quarterback at wake forest. I I don't know Colton okay. That sounds right I mean I don't know I don't know anything about the one of the contestants was a quarterback wait for that sounds right. Yeah Yeah Okay so we're. I think there's two more episodes all right then we're done yeah. Maybe one interesting interesting okay stay informed. I feel like they will draw that out as possible as long as possible. Yes probably GONNA be two more. There's it's always funny on Mondays. When you see all the tweets firing off <hes> Oh yeah this shows on again yeah? It's very puzzling. It's so lame that people people watch that show like via real man and watch three hours of Monday night Roger so that's don't come out for the last five seconds guys talking about but yeah I did that last night. Watch literally every second just for stone cold. Was it worth it yeah yeah I mean the glass shatters. It's always worth I could see John Cena pulling that move and bringing rain out okay. We're engaged again. Yes see Nikki Bella. We're back all right kings kings. Andy Reid so Eddie read when asked <hes> what he did in the off season. What was his answer? He just he go well. They asked him if he'd anything fun or exotic this off season in his answer was well. I attacked a couple of a couple of Chili rellenos. So that's classic. Andy Reid that little gourmand that it also is great because it's Andy Reid effect. I moved like he definitely started eating like these are delicious and then ate them for every meal <hes> he's GonNa keep him. Hey what do you think what do you want for dinner tonight. Honey who not chilly renewals. I really liked it last night and for lunch. It's such a perfect. Andy Reid food to just the way that I can imagine him singing. It's like kind of festive yeah in a little bit Kinda like wild does a little dance a little touchy and he says to his wife late how about a little chilly ran Chili relleno Thursday tonight. Let's go hunting again. Just eating all the <hes> all the cheese to stop the run to Hank. What is it chilly ran? It is a deep fried Poblano pepper. That's filled with meats cheeses and sometimes you get wacky with some pumpkin seeds and some sauce around loss on the outside a little creme fraiche on the outside just real treat of pepper but you're eating vegetables Yup deep deep fried stuff with me yeah but it's still vegetables. It's like Mexican Haggas Yeah. It's like when you get what is the temperature like string beans deep fried veg. Yes love best way to do it all right thoughts and prayers U._S._A.. Basketball so no one wants play for U._S._A.. Basketball Yeah everyone keeps bowing out so there's some good players roster is down to like who's on Hang Kevin Love Marcus Smart Jalen Brown hairs all Jason Tatum. It's all celtics. Celtics Julius randle Snow Bill Simmons is going to be the U._S.. Number One basketball fan. I have a question why isn't mellow is U._S.. Basketball School having a moment right now mellish should be on why why not mellow you need an old head right. He should be the guy. I want to keep playing for U._S._A.. Basketball forever. Maybe all these players are are leaving because they're afraid that they might miss a call from one of us. After what happened to Blake last year yes. They don't want to make the same mistake yeah. I guess that's probably true. They get caught up in some weird award that we made up did Blake Griffin Kill U._S._A.. Basketball people are asking for starting to ask question. It's it's a question and they just don't want to be invited to the White House if they win. It's a question last before we get to guys on chicks P._M._t.. Sports piz would shape marshalls been killing it for the summer. Let's kick it to that. Good morning this Jake Morse with the P._M.. Sports spy's minute. That's one thousand twenty Olympic Games in Tokyo or exactly one year away and the official emblem is a harmonize checkered pattern if features the traditional Japanese color of indigo blue which expresses a refined elegance and sophistication Asian that exemplifies Japan if you dissect with the P._M._t.. Logo represents you've got a mix of loyalty. Blue Simplicity is based perfection for White Green is harmony radical Islam and black. The color of Mr couldn't have said it better myself. Aaron Boone's Rant last week. Got Me thinking why the heck do baseball managers wear full uniform small in the nineteenth century. There was something called a captain who determine the batting order may pitching changes and more basically what we call a player coach today imagine other other sports did this give me coach a helmet and full pads par parlayed with Break Popovich and at and that's your P._M.. Sports Biz Minute Mister totten Mister Concert back view while those great job very cool well Jason Sports Biz minute which eight Marsh Jake's been doing a great job with some real Mr Cap Mr Commenter <hes>. That's not your content. I've I've been. I don't want to talk about it. NOPE NOPE bleep out that name as a matter of okay can in his name. The cubs have a player named Rochelle Garcia and every time I go to t type Row Bell I think of rebelling fucking bothers autocorrect on your phone and it bothers it bothers once once A._I.. Services have figured out that I type in that name at that point. That's when I'm opting out. I'm on <hes> Fitzgerald side on this fucking sucks. No phone socks on chicks. Hank are semi these this is a this is a raw run through. Oh okay how good he's been doing C._J.. Skin he boys especially Hank. I got a spree God. I gotTa Spree Dan this week. Where you stand naked Rando Tanning Salon worker worker sprays your body with painting magic? My boyfriend's weirded out that I was naked in front of a stranger. My response was it's less weird than being naked in front of my friends. So can you help my boyfriend settles argument once and for all. Is it weird or to get a spray tan from a stranger or to shower with your friends friends. I E Post sports practice. I think it's weird I mean that's like an example like for example in example the an example what it stands for in exemplar such as is what it means <hes> women women in general I off. You are a lot more comfortable being naked well. Here's the deal there's not as much of a variance on women's bodies as there is on guys so ah here's here's what I'm getting it. It's it's easier to look at a woman to look at another woman with her clothes on and be able to tell within a reasonable distance what she might look like naked in terms of all the size of the different body parts with the guy. If you look at a guy you can't really imagine like sure some guys like me have big Dick Energy and so they can be like Oh yeah but that guy's walking around with a tuna cam between his legs but when it comes to like women you can get a pretty good example like I'm looking at you right now. The Cat Yeah I have a pretty good example with those tips look like when you pop the top off yeah. No actually that's not true if you didn't know you wouldn't know that I have huge nipples. That's true well. Nipples are a little bit different. Okay well yeah. That's nipples the nipples or the balls of the they were very different. Every single nipples made differently. I think it's I think it's very healthy for <hes> for women to get Spray Tan from strange. There's just a lot more that weirder for no naked in front of a stranger naked in front of your front. I think it's Weirder for I think women just in general are more comfortable being naked it like they do it in front of their friends. More often as sleepovers dudes are a little bit more shy. The only time guys are really comfortable being naked around other guys when they're making each other making jokes about themselves Boston balls you. It's the greatest thing in the world to look at another naked dude and then make fun of him yeah or doing the old like when you're like I got gum on my jeans and it's actually your ball. <hes> that joke is not appropriate anymore. Hey Boys especially you functional drug addicts P._F.. T it is going to ride with you gotTa do do you made me ride with Anti Vaccine Yep. You can't be upset if we both I put a lot more needles in my arms than your son see my boyfriend and I have been together for two years and he's a huge steelers fan. I love him but there's a huge problem. <hes> he refuses to have sex with me unless I wear Chore Mall Pall Mall Jersey Giant Afro Wiz. He only wants to doggystyle. Come on come on Jay. That's fake Mon Jake Jake. Jake's fakes those real check because she said what's it's up to P._F._C.. That's Jake speaks hey big cat P._f.. Tea and Jake. I bet you're wondering why didn't acknowledge Hank. That's where my relationship issues start. Oh my boyfriend and I are avid fans of P._M._t.. We listen to every episode but for some reason he intimidated by sweet young hank crazy right. If I laugh at something hang says during an episode it's treated like I cheated on him in front of his face. I can never agree with hangs Mount Rushmore so it's basically a debate between P._F.. Tea and big cat which is the equivalent Oakland to comparing shit to throw up both equally awful. How do I get my boyfriend to get over his jealousy for Hank? It's made our relationship very stressful almost ruined the podcast for me which is awful because I consider myself A._W._O._l.. Thanks very much. I believe advice vice will be greatly appreciated from relationship and more importantly from my love for P._M._t.. So how do you get over being jealous of young Hank Lockwood. I think handcast shave. I think that's really the only the only way or we can help. Hope your relationship by reminding everyone. That can't get heart. That's all true. That's true. Well look. I'm not an ANTIBAC- P._e._T.'s drug guy you can't you can get heart. We all we all have to deal with. He has to tell one lie about everybody else the podcast that you just z. how it goes around. I guess whatever that's hey. Here's a solution hang just stopping so charming all the time on your show. I asked you a very charming person and and honestly like I get a little bit Joseph you sometimes to one hundred percent believe this because you no p._f._C. and are a little older and funnier than Hank and so when Hank says something and she's probably right around Hank's age so he's attainable one. We're like we're like away our man fucking star. She might wish to go fly to the moon right to get with us but with when it's hanging it's like Oh yeah that's just my harmless. Everybody was saying like you. You don't care about Vinnie Chase 'cause he's on unattainable. You're like Oh. I really have hotspur. Turn Yeah Hank. <hes> laughed at that one. You Watch entourage to yes. She does okay. Hey say something non-threatening say something to kind of. Bring yourself down a peg real quick just help this person's really chocolate milk. That's the thing I don't. I don't think I'm very impressive on the show so I think it's nice to know that someone thinks I want you to tell this listener that you're not going to sleep with this girl. I'm not going to sleep with the girl very that should be enough yeah because he can't so sub Dave and buster's astor's guys. My friend and I were debating the other day what's different between the side bitch inside piece. Oh is there one jake. That's offensive lane this very offensive side piece. We don't say that <HES> set me up. Jake set him up bad questions. Go to the last one south fellow. I honestly I as a terrible question Jay. I'll tell you what it is. I think aside bitch. It's the same for my side. Ho Aside bitches slammed piece use that you'd make up if you don't actually have aside Peter would want my side bitch know that that person doesn't exist if you're calling her side bitch. I don't even like this chick yeah fudges fucker every weekend and go to Brunch with her but I'll I'll like her yeah her mom's cool matter dad is like my best friend. This totally real slammed never lamb. Ho keeps texture never going to be my girlfriend sup. What's up dad cat P._F.? Tea and fishermen of the year Hang Oh. I'm a waitress. That's so you know because I usually try and filter them out because I know when I say myself you guys like this. I'm a waitress at a well known restaurant and have recently slept with a guy who was a regular turns out. He slept with a lot of waitresses. Should we confront him tiger with US him service or just decline his advances dances P._S.. It's not Dave and buster's okay yeah. No it's Perkins Tiger Woods Yeah. It's a very specific type of game that you have to have to be able to pick up a wet. A waitress and I've never had that because it's it's a very narrow timeframe that you have to like initiate sheet the pickup line then follow up on it well. It's also about stuff like there's a serious sleaze factor because if you are routinely picking up people at restaurants that means you probably fucking your Toyota Camry Yeah Multiple Times in awesome car yeah. I'll go one step very average because you can afford to eat out at restaurants all the time so you have a great car but OUTTA apple say camry. I'm Sandy. I'm GONNA take and wants to further anybody that routinely picks up on anyone like that. Were worked dying. If you're if you're picking women at their place of business on a consistent basis that's just kind of a weird move to yeah yeah. I mean it's the whole thing is kind of a legend though in some absolute ledge suit to your friends as you call <hes> women slim and slam bitches. You're definitely allege big time ledge my slim piece over at at at outback yeah she hit me up. I'll probably won't fuck tonight. <hes> okay. We'll see everyone Friday low. Yes say in today's mounting. I'll be coming for your love. Oh Gee John the.

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The Astros Cheating Saga and 2020 Oscar Movies With Adnan Virk | The Ryen Russillo Podcast

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The Astros Cheating Saga and 2020 Oscar Movies With Adnan Virk | The Ryen Russillo Podcast

"So how many great mood today? Just a great excited because we have Adnan virk from track all his jobs now and I have a little open here on the Houston Astros which I have not talked about. We take Craig kilborn. That one is coming out next week. Because I just don't know that the world could handle cowherd kilborn back-to-back seventy two hours. I don't want to have the number one rated podcast in the world. I JUST WANNA stay solid. All the pecan valley so boy. That's it really feels like. I'm sliding Adnan there so I I didn't mean to do it that way. Today's episode of the Russillo show on the ringer. Podcast network is brought to you by State Farm. Just like basketball. The game of life is unpredictable. Doctor State farm agent and get a teammate. Who can help you navigate? The unexpected basketball is back. That's what I got for. You knows unexpected watching Duke lose to NC STATE TERRIBLE BASICALLY. Everyone loses that supposedly. Good so I tell you what don't get mad at your local. Ap College basketball voter. Because I don't know what the Hell you're supposed to do with your top twenty five. Get a teammate. Who can help you navigate the unexpected talk to a state farm agent today? Kyle checking in Sir. How are you doing all right? Just booked round trip flight for a wedding and Syracuse. I one. It's very expensive. This is your first wedding with your crew. Yes yes my first one. I'm not making any more either. There's been talk as we were Chicago for the All Star Game Ran into your boy big cat and we were talking about weddings in just a leave it at that. Oh it's just not not that that'll be unmarried. Yeah I'm not getting there but this is this is a weird time for you. This is a very so this is your first one. How old are you again? Twenty six twenty six. Is Your car payment for Christmas? This Africa everybody. Yeah yeah no well. I didn't do it that way. Like look I'm giving you a Christmas gift. I told you what the Christmas gift would be. But I said you know the LLC over here we invoice. It's quarterly right. Yeah we do you do. We have a different process over here. So Janu j. One wasn't gonNA work to one is usually so I never got an invoice. But we'll we'll take care of that today at present beg even we get your Thursday off right and then you're going to be like. Hey I need my car payment this month and then you're like damn it text me tomorrow. yeah that first wedding is I just leave it at this because I want to give content away here but that first wedding is always an interesting one. The first couple for dudes waited too long to book the two hotels so many different hotel. I'm in the wedding. I gotta get a suit. This thing is going to be like a thousand dollars. I can't believe so you waited two. I've done that apparently too long with six months early. I Dunno whatever. Yeah I mean this. There's some real grownup stuff that happens when you start booking weddings in your twenties realize what people book hotels more than four days in advance like what the hell is this. You know no people'd like I remember my roommate in college when his parents dropped him off our freshman year. They're like Oh mate. Let's make sure we stopped by the Sheridan. So we get a reservation for graduation weekend. Wows like wow? That is a bad as a safe bet. My parents did not do that to me. It in dropped me off going are. Let's check in in ninety seven at the bus when I went to college by the way you did. Yeah Pat Themm York. Like a ten hour bus ride. That sucks yeah. Did you end up having a car when you're on campus now not never you know junior your junior year. Okay Yeah Yeah not freshman year now now. They don't want you leaving but you know it would be weird. If you're the type of person that was gonNA leave college every single weekend. You're probably not acclimating a college life the way most how you're doing it wrong. You're doing it right. Yeah they the idea that because you can't have a car on campus as a freshman in college means that you're GonNa know matriculate and you're like okay. I don't have the option of leaving every time hell. I didn't I didn't want to go home and Christmas. So you know a car wasn't going to change the way. I adapted to the surroundings. So okay before we get to add in. I have this week's open and it is about not yours. Not Your Houston. Astros three parts on this punishment apology and defense. When somebody does something wrong we lose our about what we think is an acceptable punishment. Okay we want it to be consistent which is impossible is I've said forever. Punishment is not consistent. It's not consistent with public figures. It is not consistent with awful things. It's not consistent with your situation. Your siblings growing up and it's definitely not consistent at your place of work. Things can happen at work where you go wait a minute what does I get? And then every time we do this punishment cycle of things. It never seems to be enough. Which is really weird. Because we're moving on in society. We seem to want more of it. We want more punishment to somehow satisfy us. I still think that that's really odd. Will you go? Hey does everybody. You understand what we're all suggesting here that we want punishment to be more. We want it to be more severe more games more money all of these different things because if you tweet out when myles Garrett Smashes Mason Rudolph over the head with his helmet that three games everybody would be like you assault. You don't take assault seriously. How could you say it was only three games now? He missed the rest of the season. And he's coming back and I'm glad he's coming back. I don't know if I believe myles Garrett I don't know if I believe Mason Rudolph I don't know I don't feel comfortable saying publicly. Hey this guy. One hundred percent behind. I think there are problems on both sides of this argument but when it came to the act as bad as it was if you tweet it out at three games you would like. I can't believe it. I do not understand. He could have killed somebody and that's kind of what it is. I think we should maybe wait a day or two before we start talking about what a punishment should be for an act especially if we keep it in the lane of sports. But I don't know why we do that because it feels like if the punishment is excessive. It's almost like a reality show. We like reality shows because the people on the shows the most part suck. It makes us feel better about ourselves. That's why it's been successful in. It was not a fad. It's been around three years punishment. Is this thing where I guess when another team. Certainly when you don't root for is punished beyond what you thought it was going to be that it makes you feel better at satisfying. But I've got to imagine that that's completely temporary. You probably forget what the punishment is months removed from the actual thing but the problem for the Astros in this. Is that what they did is they. Did something different? They did something we didn't really know existed. These guys were on the mayflower of cheating and I think most of us is reasonable. People understand that sheeting has grey areas if there's levels and even the players themselves no okay. That's kind of acceptable. That's the thing that works. And and that's the thing that's crossed the line and clearly this in the players is and despite what you think of Rob Man for the commissioner In his is the way he tried to solve. This thing was by taking it seriously and realizing that. This is beyond anything that we've ever understood. They have changed the goalposts. The Astros on what we think is possible as a team that cheats set up the camera. Rela- those Signs in and then bang on a garbage can to suggest the off site off speed pitches and all this different stuff right so we know the story. We know all that part of it but what is difficult for the Astros is now man. This isn't this isn't just signaling from second base. This isn't choreographed deal here. That's beyond anything else. And that's why everybody is so upset. She you're going to have to deal with with navigating through this critical world. That's never ever seen anything like this and again. The little person's listening going with cheating is cheating is cheating. No because if that were the case you would be the person that goes to the food court mall. That goes up to the place. It's offering up free samples and you would eat every single free sample and the guy behind the counter might say hey dude like you know you get how this all works like grab a couple samples you move on and then you go well. You'd it says free sample and I will continue to sample as long as they are free as I allow. No no like everybody else kind of understands how this works and I think that's why baseball it's been so upset. Is that baseball people. Even that cheated in the world or is accepted cheated. They're looking at this being like. This is so brand new. This is so beyond anything that's been accepted before we don't really know what to do so off of punishment into what the Astros have done. What is the fair punishment because all the players were given immunity to help in the investigation? That doesn't seem like it's enough because the other players want the players that are caught up in this Houston Astros thing to be found guilty in some other way other than just being ripped nonstop. We'll get to that a little bit later. Front office executives have lost their jobs to managers are out of work here. These are significant things. Three managers are out of work now. And we're still waiting on what the red sox investigation is going to be. And I gotTa tell you if the Red Sox and I've heard that it wasn't as bad disastrous thing but I almost think there could be some sort of punishment correction with the red sox where baseball's like okay. We are taking this seriously. Some excessive punishment to the red SOx. Because everybody's felt like they got the astros thing wrong because if you said right now did a poll where you said or ask. The question did the Astros get punished enough. The majority of people right now would say no but I also think that that's really a sign of what we do society when it comes to these kinds of acts now. Should you strip the World Series Championship in his nostrils initially said no? I don't love the vacating titles in College football and college basketball but you know what I mean if you feel like the team is still guilty of something the programs guilty of something as much as you may not like the. Ncaa understand that they do it just to be difficult and go. You know what we're just doing this whatever and don't hang the banner and all these different kinds of things. I feel like baseball as Manfred. Said he didn't want to set that precedent. Because even you think what the Astros did lead to them directly winning the world series and. I can't tell you that you're wrong. I'm sure baseball doesn't want to go okay. Now that we've actually done this act. We've stripped a team world championship after the fact because of them doing something wrong. What does that lead to down the road? These leagues hate sending any kind of precedent. Judges hate sitting kind of precedent. So I understand man for pushing back on that even if you think every time. Manfred is explain. Its position on this. He's done at poorly and trust me. The players all have ripped him because that relationship is impossible. Players are never going to sit there and say. Oh you know what I really love the commissioner especially in baseball and all the dodgers you know Turner Specifically Ripping Commissioner Manford saying you know. This guy's never played a sport and all these different things. Manfred screwed up. He should have handled it differently but I can understand and sympathize with him not wanting to do something. We're from now on any time. Someone does something wrong in baseball. There's a chance that we're going back and taking trophies and championships away from teams. Now let's get to part to the apology because we want an apology and we never really get the apology that we want rarely when someone gets in trouble do we get okay. You know what that guy totally owned it and he apologized for everything and now I feel better so now maybe I don't need as much punishment because the apology was pretty good and this is where the Astros have completely missed the mark. You guys look like assholes right now. Do you not get that. Are you not understanding this? This isn't the world crumbling around you unfairly. This is you being caught guilty of doing again. Something no one ever knew was going on. It was beyond the accepted levels of cheating and in doing so and getting exposed. Now you're dealing with criticism that we've never really seen before because now you think well everyone's out to get us no shit our right now. Some of the quotes from the last two weeks are ridiculous. Josh rettig was asked about it in Washington Post. He said quote at some point. You have to move on and not give a shit. We're going to go out there and win and shut everybody up. That's not rallying anyone no one listens to that and goes out you know what radic he gets it. How about Carlos Correa? Who's insane emotional? Two Minute Tirade didn't make any sense but I'm still going to explain it to you He said after bellinger of the dodgers was kind of going off He said that Bellenger should shut the fuck up and starting pitcher Lance mccullers continued with his message saying quote. But we're moving on. That's not what people may want to hear but we stood here as men and addressed the scandal. Were just looking forward to playing baseball again. There was another thing saying like. Hey we're GONNA have to play some of these guys and they're going to have to play us and some of the other guys mouthing off while they're mouthing off because they never have to place. Do you not understand that. Nobody listens that and goes Smart that makes a lot of sense. Yes I can do this because I can explain why the Astros are doing this even if this is not getting them anywhere all right. It's not getting them anywhere and I also understand like today's not going to get up there and say you know what I'm probably like a two fifty Banjo hitter. I love using Banjo. Hitter doesn't get used enough anymore now. Bregman is not going to say. You know what? Probably I don't even know if I get the big of a contract. Hey we wouldn't have beaten anybody. I mean these guys are all really competitive. So they've convinced themselves that no matter what they did. They're still really special baseball players and their team was still going to win some games but they did this thing now. That doesn't make any sense to you. Doesn't make any sense to me. But that's just the way these guys work. So That's how they've come to this point where they're now going back at everyone else because here's what they're also doing and not to compare stealing signs to murder. Let's get that. Psa Out of the way but Oj. And I'M GONNA play a cut for here in a second but Oj's big thing was. He went at the media nonstop after the fact after his murder trial because he pointed out little things that they got wrong. Guess what he was. Probably right about a lot of things in the media got wrong or maybe even the prosecution got wrong. And that's what you do when you're guilty of something you can be guilty of the act but a lot of the information that'll be built up people like wait a minute. That's not what happened. And that's not how that worked and that quote is wrong and this guy's not telling the truth I'm sure there's tons of inaccuracies throughout this entire Houston Astros scandal story. So what you do as a player the Astros. You're like well wait a minute. Let me do a little deflection here. Now the bigger issue may be true. But here's all the little things getting wrong. And that was Korea's point and it looks ridiculous. It doesn't get anybody to feel better about the situation. But that's what you're doing when you decide to then be defensive. I WANNA play you. This cut though you know what? I'm GonNa do an aside here and play youtube cuts because Graham Bessinger. Who is this young kid who right as I started at? Espn so I was twenty nine thirty. He was like in Syracuse. And he's got this great interview show now a listeners across the board but it was like this guy's in and now he's he's a student he's interviewing. Oj went back and watched the interview. 'cause I remembered it and this part I mean this is tough. The you can always. Everybody has a different style and interviewing some people are good at it and some people aren't There's ways to disarm somebody if it's going to be hostile sometimes you just want to disarm to have somebody feel more relaxed and when you're sitting down trying to figure out a way to ask. Oj about the murders. Graham starts off with essentially like hey before we get to the killings. Let's talk a little ball here. Wanted to start off talking some football. You still pay close attention to the game. You know not not quite the pass. It's not like I'm looking at the roster's team trying to figure out. Who's GONNA impact? What team but but the reason I'm bringing up the OJ. Thing is that because here's a guy that we all looked at like. You're so guilty but it's a little like the. Costanza thing where it's not a lie if you believe it where his first defence? Oj or his continuous defense of the situation wasn't hey this is where I was and we found out who the real guy was. It was here. Are the things that the media got wrong? And you know we've talked to the pass and I'm not gone over by Barbara Walters on the most respected people in this country. I gave you facts that they dispute. That would just totally wrong. I mean couldn't one hundred eighty percent away from the facts yet. They reported it and when he found out to choose they never they never corrected never went on the air to correct it. So you know my favorite things about that interview was is that afterwards. And here's I don't even know if he's twenty yet and he went on ot L. with. Bob Lee Imbaba challenge a little bit on something. The whole thing was kind of like what's going on like guys. I'll tell you one thing like in life. Older people don't like younger. People that are way beyond. Like when it's a kid who's at Syracuse. And now he's on Ot L. Talking about his OJ. Sit down. That's something that somebody twenty three years. No one was going like I love this. I love his guys hustle it turns into jealousy and actually just villon resentment but Lee had said to him. Well you know. And I'm paraphrasing a bit but I'll never forget it really was like well wait a minute. Didn't you shouldn't have done this. And then Graham went back at Bob Lee and said well. It is important. Remind everyone that. Oj was not found guilty in a court of law and the criminal case. And Bob Lee's face it'd be like Bieber hanging out with Mozart going. You know this is actually the way chords are supposed to work all right so that aside is over but now you get the point you get the analogy again not the same thing but this is the lesson in all of this. Whether it's the punishment the apology lack of or the defense by the guilty party it leads to one massive conclusion. Here's an example college football fans everywhere when the polls don't work out in your favor and basically that's all the other conferences outside of the SEC. They always pointed US instead. Sec by saw this different stuff. And I remember Jimbo Fisher is still in Tallahassee even said it basically exists which sent for state twitter nuclear which for a couple year run was the worst twitter fan base in the entire United States and honestly floors eight benefited from benefit of the doubt bias after they won a national championship because they stayed rank the entire year and played in the playoff. Despite the fact that everybody's watching every single week was like this team isn't as good. But that's always the thing you want to know why you want to know why you believe in those things is because you never this very hard do this. It's hard to go. This guy's better at my thing than I am. Okay if there's another guy that you're working with and he's rewarded better and he's getting bigger promotion all these things. How many times have you sat there and said that guys just flat out better at his job than I am. We have the same job and he's better at sucks. It sucks to come to that conclusion. And then we'll cool way. Maybe it's better that we don't ever really want to admit that stuff network competitive. We never want to concede. I don't know what the lane is. I don't know what the perfect lane of confidence self-awareness is ever supposed to be. Maybe that's the journey in all of this but it's much easier to suspect that everyone is out to get you instead of just saying you know what my team is not as good or he. You know what my conference isn't as good and what happened here with the Astros. Do not understand is that there's early twenty nine fan bases that don't like you because you're in the way there's already twenty nine other locker rooms that don't like you because they feel like you did something that they either never would do morally or just didn't think of so since they didn't think of it they didn't do it. So there okay ripping you the entire time but what happened. Here is every dodger's fan that lost to the Astros and a world series is sitting there and saying I've always thought things against us. I've always thought my team never got any call because I can only see it through my emotion lens with my favorite team but what the Astros did by being exposed as proved to me that it actually does exist. That is not just a bias that there is this conspiracy and not just conspiracy. This entire orchestrated cheating scandal. That denied my favorite team. Something that I always knew they were worthy of. And that's the lesson in all of this. 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I'm going to devils game status because Ronald vets can watch your as close to seven hundred. I know you're locked into that Syria some filling in the MLB network. Radio which I mean. Listen we always had a blast together but it's better than doing radio from your basement can literally walk downstairs and knock out three hours of power alley today on. Mlb Network radio with Jim to catch and then cadence thirteen. Of course my podcasts. That have file which is laboring minorly. Unlike your roaring success which. I'M THRILLED FOR DRAWING FLIES. But we thank oil. Is Your Ship Rehab. And she shuffle. Of COURSE MY NFL POWER. Bardia Ringer Sandstone. Mike he's carrying us there with a surprisingly A good NFL pot. So it's been great man. I'm glad that you're you're busy writing away as well. Yeah I I I appreciate that. Can you give me before? Do this baseball stuff is a movie stuff. Is there a basketball equivalent for Connor? Mcdavid and what? This guy's doing what he's capable of what he means to the sport. That's a great one man. I mean he's he's such a special player because you know he came in with patients. You know obviously Gretzky gets too much hype. Eric Lindros Sidney crosby and mcdavid is just the latest one of those guys who is an enormous talent. Who's actually lived up to all the hype if you ever watch him a few minutes. It's just as it's an album Gretzky. No that's why you draw the comparison with the oilers but their size and shifting. This anticipation enabled to jump out of the play. He's actually been banged up the last year. He's been out and dry subtle. Who's also actually legal points ninety five which is crazy so then you got these. Two incredible players mcdavid is the League's best player And then he got dry settle might win the Hart Trophy this year. The crazy thing is this right to others are battles just to make the playoffs thinking about that. She's got two best players. Maybe this is like all city. Maybe you could say back in the day. Westbrook and hard and you've got to the best players in the league but a battle right now just to make. The playoffs is the Pacific is tight for defense is a little bit lacking but he's a lot of fun to watch bad it's awesome. Yeah every night that I catch it and you know again my thing is. I watch what is important to what I'm doing. I rarely will watch something that has nothing to do with work When it comes to sports and that's unfortunate but just give away like if I sit there and really. Hey there's no basketball tonight arms going bang hockey for four hours night like I just can't. There's no way but you have the underrated hockey knowledge. Because you know we all remember outlook step to give me enough. You were gracious enough to give me the NHL Playoffs minutes. So at least at least you gave me that. And your body's Aaron Miller and let's not forget when Marquette and Louis came to audition and I texted you you came right away. You guys were told. The stories shrine all the Ringer Pot. But your friendship Marty bartending together in Vermont. So there's hockey knowledge there. Yeah now I'm surrounded by other guys When when King Gets Traded? Maybe losing a volleyball buddy. So that's GONNA check higher to see to see volleyball. Game may be impacted by by any kind of NHL Trade deadline. Let me start with the baseball thing. Though which is dirty lakes I started with our stuff. Does mad dog know your name yet because it's been a couple of years? I was hoping it'd be all over this. 'cause I figured people Would be joy. This I listen. You're not discuss right as you said to me. Once you know you grow up at Radio Talk Radio. Everyone knows Mike and the mad dog and how critical those guys were in our business and how influential they were for a guy who is and I and I don't use this term lightly. I think he's broadcasting. Which I think is a right. Everyone knows who he is and I should know doing radio. For God's Sakes I listened with Colin and you made the point which is the act with. The call is good as it gets when doing solo radio just a fact even up until a couple of years ago that was five hours of Radio Day like ours that is and I get back about this cleanup. You're taking calls a little bit easier but still five hours five hours so I I respect his stamina and energy and like me a big baseball guide also big tennis guy. But he's not great with names has made a career of malapropisms to put it lightly. Butchering of names. Bruce Shine who is his producer and also research. Because that's my most critical job. Just whatever amy butchers just to quickly jump in there he's like you know adult Belco modesty. I mean there's no way these names because we let Dania Chavarria. I mean there's as soon as we see them. I just know what you could train tracks. But it's kind of his thing. It's like hey man gonNA screw up names but it does not especially for the sports so I be so he now. My Name. Not really yeah. He's I've caught clips right. There's like three or four different variations. I was amazed to hear cowherd because I always assumed my cowherd when he would get done he was not the type to throw on. Espn RUSSILLO and listen the entire ride home. He probably he wasn't going to do that and so I go. What do you listen to now? And Mad dog was his first. He was like Maddux so for anybody that listened to it. Or if you missed a check it on let me get. Let me get to the meat of this stuff before we call and I can't believe by the way all this year's French might be like I know you pretty well the fact that you grew up in Maine no idea. Cowherd had to break that news to me. I want to hear about the mean streets. A Bangle okay. Well now you're yeah he doesn't know but I mean even Simmons at times it's been women. Did you grow up in Vermont? I'm like no I didn't grow up and I'm going to set the record straight. Why Russillo was born in Hartford? Grew up in the vineyard where he waited two years to watch Jerry Levin Toys and he went to Vm and he used to live in West Hartford. Go ahead yeah perfect. Yeah because there were rumors. I was born in Wyoming. There was also for a while. There's a rumor. It was on Wikipedia. That I was born in Compton and so then this like rap magazine reached out to me to be like this is an amazing story. Like White Guy. Born in Compton ends up in Vermont and now has a talk show. That would be an amazing story. Wouldn't it I go but I didn't grow up in the conflict? That somebody somebody screws pedia page man and the guy was kind of like. Oh really is like what we still do it again? No problem whatever all right so I just did an open about the astros where I'll summarize it here. Is that whatever punishment is? We seem to want more of it now. I don't know what the right punishment is. The players for the Astros have completely missed the mark. Your they're not just bad apologies now. They're like attacking 'cause they're mad which I kind of get and then. I always think you're the one that's being prosecuted publicly the YOU'RE GONNA look for inaccuracies and then feel better about yourself and start pointing out that stuff for the defense but really what this comes down to is like a line was crossed. So let me let me get your summary of what you think we're dealing with now like to to this point of the story and then I wanNA follow up with the players that you've talked to so just go ahead and take any direction that you best need to get your thoughts on this scandal. Why I think it's fascinating as you and I would do radio at the fact that the NFL's are year round sport the NBA has been so successful with free agency dominate headlines. In the summer and for baseball it's been tough to kind of get round the clock coverage whereas this has been a me the last wife seasons you and I both fooling Timpson of signings. Nothing was happening and you go. God 'cause you're getting squeezed believable gear colours handke's you got going through the angels. You had plenty of Mookie. Betts God's sakes the dodgers the price and then he got this Astra Science. No scandal with chip Lebron's James tweeting about February. So I've never been one of these. Bad publicity is good publicity like I'd rather I'd rather not be hardened feathered but I do think there's some of the fact that everyone is talking baseball and everybody has an opinion on this now. It's a fascinating story for many reason. And as you point for the Astros you know everybody's screwed up in life. We've all made mistakes and you would have thought the PR firm or whoever is in these guys you come on. Just I'm real. Sorry we screwed this thing up like honestly it's just you know when you're playing baseball. You're so competitive looking for every edge. Yeah we we definitely crossed. All we did was wrong. We're accountable for sorry we're moving and that's it right like the worst thing which what they've dug would not appear particularly contrite and then when I because I it it stuns Xiguang how many guys spoke might trucks allergic to controversy with anything. And he's crushing. These guys Kris Bryant is the thing stuff I mean. You're expecting trevor. Bauer cody. Bellinger is thing that I'll soup is only NBC from judge and everybody's so passionate about it and then for granted come back and get back with we. I remember when I interviewed career. He came to us being nice guy. Don't Rondor Dora. I guess I was like you're surprised hockey. That was both of us. He gave us get in there for the good one but he was. It was the Lisa prising Fedora of of the history for doors. But I appreciate. He's sticking up for altuve and hair color. You don't know what's happening but then to tell coney Belgium's shut the F. up like Oh this isn't this isn't a problem. What we do this part of the story where we just say. Hey I'm sorry and you don't say anything else. You just say sorry. Twenty different times or thirty different variations. And then we wait a book. Five your spouse and you WANNA blast everybody get back for it. You win the world this year. Now okay fine. I'll give you that with that. It's just interesting. How as you said the apology hasn't been very good. That he got noticed. And I think the fact we've so often the media want guys to speak their minds and give us quote these guys. Everybody in the game has been given us really good material and speaking very passionately and I'll say this for Manfred bit spotty again. You and I interviewed him by Ami all-star game and I don't speak for you but I think he's always appear to me at least to be progressive and open minded and he's willing to tackle issues. He's not one of those guys. The baseball properties the pace of play. Let's work on some things but make the game more National I. I wish that my was out there more. We could tell the stars more so I I always liked that about Robert I think he's progressive But but surely the fact that players are still upset. They didn't suspended. I mean more lincolns out on the twin. We going to do the guy. Twenty game suspension for school of Ashes. Quite different and we all know that this unless the players were granted immunity. Why would they tell the truth? And for people to get mad at the Union. What the point of the Union. You and I like the Irishman Jimmy Hoffa pursue. The Union is to protect the players. So no we're not gonNA let guys talk an issue that they get punished for something which they're gonNa say all there wasn't a clear delineation of rules and Blah Blah Blah so. I think it's amazing man. It's really amazing. Story from multiple perspectives and at the very least is generated a lot of conversation. One of the things that I've seen a lot of in Adam. Silver have your first controversy. Be something that's actually not that controversial. Donald Sterling owns a clippers. Nobody likes him. Everybody knows he's history is history. It's awful It's filled with racism. And then he gets himself in a situation where there's tapes of them saying these things to that girl The bunny rabbit girl there. And everybody's just like this sucks right. I mean it's just like consensus. This sucks and then all all commissioner silver has to do is go to the other owners me like. Hey you know what? It's time right and even Cuban said I don't know man like the president were setting in even said slippery slope as bad as sterling may be can just be taped saying something. And then you can lose your franchise but this has been coming for sterling for a long time so when people go well look at. What silver did he was? He was swift. He was decisive. There was no other side of that. Okay as much as this business is filled with the other zag. Nobody was like sterling. Not as bad as you think like doesn't deserve loses team like everybody was on the same page there so it was incredibly. It was a headline but it was an incredibly easy decision for silver where he had all the other supports of the twenty nine partners at wanted one of those gone. This is so different so for anybody to say well look good. Silver was and look at how Manford bumbling this Manfred has done some things wrong. I don't think he's a bad commissioner. I don't I know it's going to be unpopular. Say Today I actually have faith in him in talking with him. Far More than any time I ever interact with bud. Ceiling like ceiling was. I'M NOT GONNA make personal here but but Manfred has a different guy. He's made some mistakes clearly but I can't handle anybody trying to draw. Draw some direct line because you mentioned the Union protects is that have been charged with domestic violence. Their their sole purpose to exist is to protect their members. And even though there's twenty nine clubhouses that hate their supposed colleagues in this situation the Union will still be there to protect them. So Manfred goes all right. Well I'm going to go this route and I've read all the different legal stuff. Read the Mike off in what could or couldn't happen but to compare the two to act like Manfred got it wrong with silver good. It was civil right. They're two completely different things here. It's a great analogy. Because you're right both of those guys. I mean Silver Amanpour take north longtime commissioners and Stern and see leaguers. Certainly made an impact. And you're right. I feel like I have a silver like everyone's a good guys genuine. The players all like he's not he doesn't surely have that you know the Jakonen or David Spurn. And and obviously great things did but you know. Obviously there's there's downsized as well I think in the case of rob like you said he took ownership to listen even have to apologize backside. Listen I'm sorry that I said I called shares a battle and I misspoke. I'm accountable on me like He. And that apology was better than anything. Anything ashes have said. It's just out of say story. And just try to be contrite move on so I do want to go back to what you said about the ashes doing their stand their perspective as much as people ridiculing them. I get the fact when the whole world is crashing against you. It's hard not to balanced back a little bit right when the whole killing going. You guys are cheating. You guys suck you guys go. You'll and and I'm sure that in that clubhouse instead of hey we were building ones doing it. Perhaps the ashes of the most egregious. Okay perhaps the astros were the most willfully aggressive got it. Perhaps Lou now at a reputation for smug arrogant and building like the analytics all it is true and I get that. Maybe there was a feeling a major league baseball and they got caught when they got to come up and then we never liked him anyway. But it's awfully tough Ryan to think that in twenty nine other Major League clubhouse there wasn't any sort of any sort of behavior in which technology wasn't being used for one hundred percent the most appropriate means and to that point. You know whatever supposed to go okay. Yeah we got the ashes right. Who's next we'll work on the red sox right now that investigators actually all right? We'll get to next the dodgers and may eventually gonNA hit. Listen all this has to stop with through the book at these guys at least in our minds though the players are saying we didn't do enough last night you suspended a manager and GM for your both whose guys lost their jobs. Outscore lots of job with Boston. Beltran obviously the mets reneged on that job. Like that's that's pretty big When it comes as far as jobs being affected and I think the big baseball like nothing else more better than just to the baseball star. Keep moving on because I know there's people say oh well they're smoked as far there's other teams point. Yeah but I don't think they're going to systematically go through every single team and figure out what everybody was doing we're still to remove from like the NFL off-season thing cracking up to see can be a distraction. You happen right during like all the back and forth happened when the NBA takes their week off so the NBA Games. Start back up. We'll have march madness. I mean that's that's really the in all of this is is bad as it feels right now like if I were friends with Manfred. I'd go look yet. You could have done a better job. With some of these quotes. This is unprecedented territory There's plenty of Argosy Mitzi said. You shouldn't given anybody immunity but I know what you're trying to. You're trying to turn the page and move on and guess what is heavy is that page may seem it is going to turn it is going to turn and then people are going to move on from this because it was cheating in baseball all right. That's that's what it was right and I'll probably you know this. I do it in. Every sport either have great villain and the ashes now is fascinating because the big off to a great start right there. Twenty and five out of the gate. Oh my God. This is amazing. Like screw you guys think very talented team. Everyone knows brings a great player. Al To be pregnant federal. Even more incredible might be if they're gonNA have a badge start and I'll to one for twenty five. Oh my God. The whole world is short against these guys so I think they're going to be must be especially advocate little movie time with Adnan before we do that. 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That's good in sports and good in business security visit. Adt Dot Com Slash Game Day to learn more. That's a D. T. dot com for slash game day. Let's do movies. I watched parasite once upon a time in Hollywood nineteen seventeen. I did not see judy. I know that surprises you. This was an incredible year though. But let me let me propose a theory. Ever since Oscar so white and that controversy in that trending topic that now. The awards have shifted to be more inclusive like. I'm not anti parasite winning best film. I'm not anti moonlight. I think some of the stuff that's been suggested as best picture. I'm like wait a minute. What's going on there and believe it or not. There are White Brag that I also don't like Which I know people whenever I've done this it's like wag. What like I don't really get the mule. No I don't I don't know if that made me just But where are you right now? With with what parasite means for the way best picture is now thought of because I think five years ago parasite proven like. What was that like? Yeah that's not winning. Best Picture you kidding. We Have Leo and Brad Pitt in the movie. You're absolutely right but oscarssowhite changing everything because the academy took it seriously and they've really looked to get more inclusivity and to get more people of Color in there and to get more women in there as well and you got different and different people so right now in the academy. You've got old Hollywood and new Hollywood. An old favourite was nineteen seventeen. Which is a terrific film. I had it as well. My top five. The year I think Roger Deacon the best geographer live sixty five years old. He got his nomination. Just want a second Oscar. I would thirteen now. He's he went for blade runner. Twenty nine years ago and I went to Miss Mend is obviously a great direct Revolutionary Road. Guy Which I thought was the best movie in years. He also Oscar for American beauty In road to perdition impelling so everybody's Mendez is a well respected. British theatre director obviously up spray war movie and looks like it's one shot it's always classic films at Thomas. Etcetera and I would have had no issue to one Ryan. I think it's really high craftsmanship and I thought it was going to be the favourite. Everyone digs one. Everything had won the BAFTA which is the British Academy Awards. You know won the Golden Globe. Best motion picture drama and had won the PGA PJ Producers Guild Award. Winner that award. Eight of the last ten years wins best picture including last year for Green Book so parasite the reasoning punchers. Chance was they had won the sad for Best Ensemble and the biggest group McAdams the actors. There's eight thousand one hundred twenty seven members of the academy. It's always experienced by the way by about two thousand since Oscarssowhite shouldn't really trying to get more people in their backgrounds etcetera. Okay you really big guy percent. Think about that so all of a sudden you get these new people coming in there. They're gonNA hanging begging mostly cabinet members of this. I think one thousand nine hundred seventeen is going to win. But I really loved parasite at enough of those people voted with their hearts and said listen. The Irishman is incredibly. Well made movie. Nineteen seventeen are well-made. Marriage story certainly has a credible acting. You know all these. What's Hollywood is beautiful? Production Design which won the Oscar for its stellar acting center. The movie I loved the movie though I walked out of a holy crap. That was unbelievable was parasites and I think that's why they won the Oscar that it had a real charge to it and people had a real visceral reaction to it and it really shouldn't be as much underdog is we think at one. The Palm Door can't don't vessel and May I heard about it so they wanted to bomb doors. There's normally pretty good. It opened in theaters. November was selling out in New York City. Because everybody knows movies with a loss and then it got word of Mouth Etcetera Etcetera Win at the Sag Best Ensemble which spotlight won best picture. Even though that was an underdog and they won the Cy Best Ensemble so parents had certainly had a chance the Oscars and the biggest shock. Why wasn't best picture? Best director that one was honestly flattened because Mendez won the J. which is the directors guild award. He'd won the BAFTA best director. He'd won the Golden Globe. There was no indication. That Bongino is GonNa win win. And can you get a guy who's orienteering more self deprecating and more humble? He goes up there and dedicate this entire speech to crediting the other directors like he's he rightfully credit scores. Says you right away? Gives a great quote of Marty's they got a standing ovation for Mardi which was awesome. Even credits Tarintino for always championing Asian cinema. Thanks Sam and Todd even talk those jokers cinema nominee whatever. Thanks alien and drink until next morning off and God. What are you saying quote? He's thanks Debbie. I he gives a quote from RDC. Thanks for helping us he goes. I'm gonNA drink until morning. They can and by the way. The restaurant was always translation in English. He says I'm GONNA treat until morning leap thinks he's done by but by the way you just won best picture so answer to your question. How does this change things? It's already wildly successful for four hundred. Seventy five billion dollars worldwide for four and bill which is not an action movie Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon extraordinary numbers domestically. It's thirty five million. That was both four one best pitcher. Now it's GonNa be like two thousand screen so people are really going to go see you and I both know a lot of people say well. I'M NOT GONNA for those but if it won best picture I better go see it and I'm glad you liked it having seen it after the high because that's my now is people are going to say. It's okay but I mean how about best picture I started in November. I was blown away. I thought that was an audacious unpredictable film. Aside from the Irish and it was my favorite movie of the year so I was really really happy that it one being if people wanNA draw strong parallels like you said in terms of diversity and a foreign film. Yeah all that stuff's great but parasites incredible film and anybody who takes it at face value the fact it really is a special movie. Yeah I watched after the hype. Would you'd like you said it's completely dangerous and he had a great line about subtitles like come on. I mean anybody. Who's an artist enough to read some of the stuff that he's written? I mean these. These guys are special artists. So the idea that subject but it's true. Subtitles are like driving on the highway. Like after a while. You don't even realize that you're driving on the highway and you're going and you're paying attention and you're just mine works that way and that's what happens a subtitles at the first four or five minutes here on the flight. Really read everything. And then you just you just consuming so you know anybody that's leading that get in the way You're you're screwing yourself up because it isn't it isn't a straight line. The movie is is a bunch of different things and I'm constantly sitting there and you go okay. You know. Good movies are are good stories with bad endings. Great movies are are good movies with great endings. That I'M NOT EXPECTING. And there's it's not like usual suspects type of kaiser associate twist here but it's just they do so. I'm not gonNA either way too much but they just do a lot of good things but as you ran through all the other names like I didn't mention Joker 'cause we've already talked about joker where now jokers become an I appreciate your dislike of it because it's specific and you feel like it's not paying homage to its borrowing from too many other things and I concede to you on that one on one of the movies I hadn't seen before so it didn't hit me the same way and I like the way that they showed the evolution. Somebody losing your mind. I think Phoenix did a great job of that. But it's become uncalled actually like it which I think is another part of everything that's gone on but then you bring up marriage story which is one of the most brilliant openings to a story that I've ever seen it made me think differently about like what you should be doing in movies and how efficiently you can tell the beginning of the story and then I know I imagine sentimentally. You're upset about Irishman but probably not to surprise but what this is like the trailblazers in ninety nine two thousand. When I think about this year movies just to remind you that this roster had Rasheed Rasheed Wallace Scottie. Pippen Steve Smith Diamond Damon Stoudamire Savona Stettler shrimp. Brian Grant Greg Anthony Bonzi Wells Jermaine. O'neal Stacey Augmon those were your top eleven minutes for that trailblazers team at one fifty nine games. That was a deep basketball tank running rebels and Bob Winston bonus CD monsters representing the All Star game but cheer points film. Well what was the popular sentiment the last couple of years? I don't watch movies anymore. I just watch. Tv All the good stuff's on TV. I'm GonNa Watch Netflix Hulu Amazon etc. This was a real comeback for film. If you're somebody like me who love movies. Who LOVES GOING TO THE MOVIES? You believed in silver screen and it sentimental as that may sound. It was an incredible year as you mentioned before barristers a great divorce movie the best way since Kramer versus Kramer that's been forty years Tarantino again. Pays them is to Hollywood no way that only he can again a great script as usual. Tutti he's got to unbelievable performances from DiCaprio Robbie's full underwritten fine but she's representing the essence of of Shannon tatum. What she represented. I mean and that's one of those movies. I think it helps the second time you've seen it. I've seen twice I. I liked it a lot more the second time getting but I just appreciate. I can't deal modulus. He's making the she were the movie specifically nineteen seventy spoken and listen the Irishman. I stand by it. You know I've been nine movies that were now for best picture. The Irish News. The only one. That's not win. A single Oskar. Four versus Ferrari wins for best editing. I mentioned You know as I would for best production design artist. Think it's nothing but to me that that doesn't discredit the film. I think you still watch. You know this is really high. Craftsmanship clearly really talented guys legends. In their own right work in a high level. I think it's the way that people will watchers. Now I think the Irish but I'm curious your take because you read the book I did I. I think it was hurt by the associated with Netflix. In two ways one I think people in Hollywood really vote for Netflix. So let's be real if I put movie out and I'm with pyramid and the movie stinks. Everyone knows about it. Like let's use cast. Everyone knows cats with disastrous. It's Tom who I haven't seen. Hey don't say too much about cats. I haven't I won't spoil it other than to say it was a disaster. Apparently according to everyone thought I was united by critical robbing box of it gets smoked. Right James Corden. Good apologize for excetera. So in the case of Netflix you can put a movie out and nobody knows what the box office. There's nobody knows eight. People are watching any who knows or is in Hollywood any other film you know the box office etc plus you gotTa wait for months from the theatrical release until it's available on video so a lot of these Spielberg Oakland year ago. It said Netflix movie should not be in consideration for the Oscars. He's a good friend of course. Nbc Loves Moody's. This isn't fair so I think absolutely there's another category listen. The argument is a high quality. Clearly these guys are doing. But there's no fricking away voting for Netflix twin. Best Picture period. The other thing that hard I think for fans 'cause I won't readily admit I don't think it got rave reviews if you just word of mouth. I think more if I took ten people right now said watch parasite but we more wild by Carson. There will be the Irishman at part of. It's hard by fact when you're in the theater for lack of a better term your chain to it. You have no choice. You Watch the movie at home if you watch the arson for fifty minutes and check a couple of tax that gopher round pick up the rest of our like. I think that really hurts the movie. I think you had to watch it to appreciate it and certainly for guys like you read the book you're bringing more to it as well but That's just my feeling on it. Okay so I think some people had a really hard time with De Niro playing that many different ages at the fact that like seventy now he's going to be seventy six seventy six. Gosh okay all right looking great then PECI is. I is immaculate. A good way to describe him because I I think he's that clean through the whole movie like he's that good. He's got this kind of understated thing to him that that conveys power but hit. There's you know it's the subtle nuance of of the great actors. Where he's you know even though she can overdo another stuff he is not doing here and it works perfectly so. I thought he was great. Yeah I was GONNA say the three actors unanimously from people. Everybody anecdotally Krisher. Everyone seemed to agree pass. She gave the best performance for what you just understated. Very atypical where you can only seen especially felt Jay so I also think in in the book that Frank the character he is a mule. He's not he's not an educated guy he's a guy that gets back from World War Two drinks a lot and. Kinda hang around bars and guys are like all right cool. Do you WANNA start sealing stuff in here. You are with union once. They knew that he was painting houses meeting he was a killer and he was just willing to follow instructions. So Deniro actually nails that part of it. But it's not a showoff type of character like other characters that diners played have more more pop and this character frank to play it the right way. It wasn't going to have that kind of pop. I thought Chino's greatest Hoffa but the net flicks part of it. You know in years. We'll look back and think it's silly that anybody ever said that about a Netflix release. Because that's just the way it works the same way with a radio where you're like. Hey do you WanNa just do? A podcast is to have a radio show and you'd be like no way. I don't WanNa do that. Look I'm not just a podcast. That's ridiculous so the net flicks thing is true because you know we can just do the basics say I thought some scenes dragged a little bit. It's really long. That's okay but I- consumed it in a completely different way than when I went to nineteen seventeen and got stuck in the front. It was blown away by the way. The director did that for two hours. You know like that first moment when they get out of the bunker and they kind of get into that middle battle section in their rolling around in the dirt and the mud and the bodies like that is that is a different experience. And you're not going to hit pause and check your phone during that so you're absolutely right in the consumption part of this. I'm not saying it should won. Best Picture but it felt like. I had a lot of things going up against it. There's a scene our thirty seven mark of nineteen seventeen. I I know that specifically because I watch the screen right. I'm jealous by the way. I know that sucks being a front row but I'm John who sought in a senior. I'm so lucky you know the the I can't some cases association. I get somebody screener so obviously it's just easier for kids. If there were jobs I watch them at home so when I watched nineteen seventeen in my basement. There's an hour thirty seven you know. The parkway twin scofield disobeys general and just does that mad dash that one minute might have been the best one minute any movie up twenty nineteen. I it's incredible. He just does this. Mad Dash running across and the cameras. Furious attract back. He got bombs going up. Everywhere you got armies converging. I mean slips at one point there's model McCain like it's unreal like I read Roger Deacons that shot and maybe thirty cakes that takes over and over again bombs because GonNa happen wants to the right. No good I'll actually the sense. Now the clouds lens flare somebody will align whatever like I really the level of craftsmanship with nineteen. Seventeen is remarkable. I I hope that it did very well at the box. Made about one hundred thirty L. end up with at least one hundred sixty million dollars so I'm glad you saw it in the theater. And so many. That's that is all those event movies which people got to see a big screen. You know what my favorite minute is. And by the way like if you're doing the scene that's going to be. The best. Minute of the entire year is craziest. Thirty takes would have to be to reset all of that stuff. That must have been brutal. It's worth it because that is kind of that scene. Where like he's just running along. But what Dicaprio did on the Second Watch at once upon a time. A Hollywood is is incredible. Like he's really playing like four different roles of the same guy the same move and it works like think how funny it is to. Go Kahlil. You're going to have to do thing where you're sort of washed up. Tv actor and you're trying to resurrect career but you drink too much and you just not locked in and you are GonNa Khanna Suck at acting. And then you're going to recover and the like you know how many people would screw that up. He's he's purposely acted as a bad actor. That doesn't get it anymore. But he's not overdoing too much that you're like okay. You're just you're just actually a bad actor acting like a bad actor and I. I really think that that's kind of like the more I think about it. What he did in once upon a time in Hollywood is more impressive than what he did in the revenue by the residence to one. That wins an Oscar. Yeah I I would agree with that because I think it's still on the headline. She'd never won an Oscar before. But that's one of those weird ones but they're they're kinda cold leads just the way that the company marketed okay. Let's hit supporting Leo Elite. But they're both like we just like a true supporting actress. Somebody obviously comes in and as much less screen time. But cheer point that whole sequence. Were Leo's Berating himself. You know drinking whiskey sours and stuff like that. That is it exactly. What a great accident frustration. Oh my God. She's still pissed it himself. It's so funny the way doesn't it and by the way early on the scene I love. Obviously how when Pacino Leo made early on Fairly Axiom could have been like twenty minutes and Tarantino cut it and it just just bunch of flashbacks right with Sean Leo most movies. But they're saying guarantee them released a four hour. Cut for like a Netflix. Or something like that. And we're still show that things I'd love to see Pacino and Leo going back and forth like a good twenty minutes the way it was a fairly rich cut. I can't even believe I ever doubted Tarantino pulp fiction. Set The bar high. That was like the first time I ever really thought like wait a minute you can do different stuff like this and take all these chances and tell stories in these these odd timelines and now pulp fiction. No one can ever say to me. Oh it's overrated like it absolutely changed. What we thought movies are supposed to be to me. It's it's one of the most important movies in the history of movies. It just is and now to hear him. Do these watchable here at the ringer on unity hitting me and I've asked fantasy. Sean does most of the remarkable that go. How did this happen like well? We just started email and news like sitting around watching movies like he just sits around and watches movies and he comes in and he starts telling you about this stuff and you know the flame. Thrower scene were DiCaprio. Like they're showing. Hey was that real flame floor in. He's like yeah. Yeah I know it was in real life when he when he turned it on and started using it for that scene. He's like man. This is hot like is there anything we can do about this perfect? Do that leave it in like? Hey so we can do about this. Turn it down man. That's hot the CAP. You're sitting here to campus thirty five times in the next week. Essentially doing call killers the flower moon. And it's about the murder of the Indians in the stage in nineteen twenties. So part of the book is phenomenal and scores. Anything I western. And he's got his two muses he's Got Deniro. He's done nine movies went. He's got the CAPELA. Who's been five movies with and Leo we're talking to Marc Maron about Tarantino and score says Maurici everywhere made before nineteen? And you're like you know for those obscure stuff like his memories insane because now when he sees the everything but it's like all over the place he goes Morton's watching like you know French Cinema Seventies. Here's Clinton was doing with the. Nobody's imagining scholars. Believe it's like it's so funny when you deal with those guys like where the reference points got them. They're both geniuses but like the level of stuff that they put in their brain they're able to retain and use it somewhere else. It's incredible. Yeah I just it has to be so much fun you know it has to be so much fun and obviously you have to be established enough to be like. Hey I WANNA do this. But whether it's a simple flame thrower thing or the Scorsese seen or not. Scorsese's excuse me Pacino scene which Tarantino said on the Rewatch ables like he flat out wrote that for him and was like do you want to do it and then you're Tarantino and now I actually through on the hateful eight last night? That beginning is so good. I mean just that shot on that wooden cross in the music is perfect. And you like the font of the graphics and it's like no. I it's kind of like this thing of. Hey yeah lot of cheesy movies like then you start to understand like you're right like this guy sits around. He watches all these these crazy weird movies and probably some of them that you could sit there and say that's actually a terrible movie like. Why are you interested in that? But it's like no no. I'm picking up something from that that I like and I want to use in my way of storytelling owned by the way when I do it. And I have these things that looked like outdated graphics from the seventies or some some like really aggressive musical track. And all these things is gonNA come together because I'm an awesome writer and director and these are GonNa be some of the best movies like the guy has been on fire even though I know it takes a while but I can't eight blake popular opinion became. Hey I remember. I went yourself. 'cause I thought in data this is what what the theater experience is so important is done in Dallas for the cotton bowl and it had the roadshow and Churchill. Actually he did this for like twenty years in America and they had like an intermission. There was an overture before this movie. A sound was incredible. Like the sound of the wind and that really like and that was amazing like I. I'm I'm so glad you're tape players. Which is either because that's when people are big on it. I love it. I think it's great. Yeah I don't know what it is about him and how he takes way longer than anybody could ever get away with and trying to sell you the anxiety of a scene but even when they go out to just hammer the stakes in so that they have a rope line to the outhouse during that massive storm and the way that music is like I turned that scene on last night. Like I watched the intro. I watched the setup forbid I you know. I just want to watch that. I can't believe I'm sitting at home and I go. I'm going to spend fifteen minutes. Turned his way up and watch the scene. Where they're putting stakes to an outhouse. That doesn't really move the story except that it's just it's unbelievable like in again like the spahn ranch tio it. That thing takes forever. I counted up because I watched the scene on a flight. And it's twenty two minutes from the start of that to the end. Nobody else get away with that or no one else would even try to get away with it. They'd be like all right. Let's keep it moving this. Keep it moving and the fact that it takes that long it it works and I just. I don't know how many other guy look. I'm not saying he's the only guy that can do it. But it was a really. It was an awesome year for it. So what are what? Are you most looking forward to this next year? What's the one movie you have to see? If you can only see one. That was G. I haven't looked at to be honest. I know we don't think it's a draft. Mcshea does his mock draft so the next year once. I haven't intensely at this year. I'm more excited because Pacino. Tv show ever and hunters is coming out to more as a matter of fact. I know we're out already but it's coming on Amazon prime and it's about a from Jordan. Peele of course did get out. And it's a bunch of people hunting Nazis in Modern Day America. I don't know where he did idea. If this is basic facts talpet. Pacino's the ring these guys so I'm just excited to see al. Turning Eighty Years Old April twenty. Fifth fact is there's a TV show with Al Pacino in today's world. I can't wait to watch and binge-watch can't wait man all right. I'm GonNa let you bounce. You can check out Adnan Go through the run of of stuff again. Yes that'll be networking to network zone. CINNA follow podcast. That's what we need the most help with. Gm Shuffle Mike Lombardi obviously the NFL and Sirius Satellite Radio Network Radius Ball. This was fun man. All right thanks a lot for your time. Adam continued success. Take Care Bye toxin. Okay Don Good Week. I really appreciate it. Talk about the coward stuff and you're GonNa like the Adnan Baseball and movie things so a reminder every Sunday night Bill and I will be taping kind of our NBA. Recap the week that comes out. Is that actually out on Sunday night? Or is it just? Monday morning depends on what coaster on? I'm dropping about midnight every Sunday. 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Call seven eight six four five six four eight three seven movies baseball and Canada. Now guys, how do you want and maybe some federal? Okay. Now, how do you guys want to do this with top-five movie cast of all time, how do you propose? We do this. Should we get ad? And should we read hours? We get his opinion. How do you guys? What to do? We should get Adnan's top five. And then compare it to the definitive lists for context of God's is arguing that the outsiders. Adnan is the greatest movie of all time, and I went deported, right? At a Billy went, would you go Bill ocean? I well with the ocean's eleven ocean's thirteen slash the fast and furious franchise. So add a good morning by the what good morning. You guys Kristen foremost reenacting walking every appreciate and look the who wants it done. Billy clothing. Are. We gotta get rid of his Canadian phone one second got what apple gotta get him on a better phone line. They're usually on a very clean line. Yeah. Well, once he's actually invited on the show is phones crap. All right. But Chris you have the definitive top five. So we'll get here's what we'll do. We'll get add dance top-five will match it up with the definitive top five. And we'll see how they compare because I think Adam would argue by the way that his list is the definitive top-five. Right. He would argue that so defile podcast that whole deal. He would argue that. Right. All right. We have ad mbacke still. I'm back. I'm sorry. Bad full night. Who can you blame the Canadians? I'm sorry. We will. So listen, here's the deal at Dan. We have the definitive top-five movie guest of all time. Yeah. Or feeling is. You think your list is the definitive list is that is that fair because your host Sinophile and your movie experts Sinophile its own independent podcast as a part of ESPN not a part of laboratory in France. Listen, I'm only doing this. So Mike to get a portal of it's our friends. Now, let's make this clear these disappearances just a matter of coaxing and persuading and cajoling guys to give me a chance. Back your points. Absolutely. I trust all your list. All right. He likes the part is obviously is is the best five mentioned, although one oh seven, oh, she's thirteen outsiders. I dunno still love you. But I thought he'd go Tango and cash out. I was thinking Tango and cash goes the loan. I mean, just alone by himself supersedes just about every other movie cast and the history of movie making, but listen, I want to remind you of the outsiders. Okay. Sea-com is Howell. Matt dillon. Ralph Macchia peak Ralph Macchia, okay, Patrick Swayze. Rob Lowe, Amelio Estevez. I mean, Tom Cruise Diane lane and Cam Neely. I love all of it. I just I despise Tom Cruise just thinking sits lonesome creature. So that's why it's not helping. Case. But to your point. Well, I don't care about that. Then I thought I'll double governor. I'm despise Tom Cruise and I've ever love network, Tom Cruise the loathsome person. I despise everything he stands for but back to your list. Yes. Macci almost how is that is in their peak. Clump, I'll give you that. But it's definitely their heyday. But then when you go like young guns young guns to me is a good cast of like eighties actors that guys kinda mentioned know. All right. You're young is very very good. What are you doing there with Tom Cruise? Why is he like what are you doing there? He's he's a lonely person. What's happening who else? Do you feel that he's not a lonesome purse? Always a love low that some modes. Alone. I didn't hear your phone is terrible. I'm cruise. Okay. Gets called the loathsome. All the time. And he just thinks people are like, no, I'm I'm married, actually. Exactly, right. All right. So gimme. So the best movie casts for for ad, Dan Burke, is is what? Well, I would say goodfellas I mean right out of the gate. I just don't think you're going to be gravely ill, preach Pantex. So is I mean now he's giving the performance of his lifetime. But Robert deniro, Joe Paschke pulse. Servino Lorraine Bracco. I mean Frank Vincent is going bad day below Jackson play stacks. I mean, I don't know how you're gonna top goodfellas. But as far as great casts are concerned. All right. Let's get to the definitive top. Chris. You have the definitive top-five. He'll yeah. I got the top ten, but we can I can cut the five. Let's just go to five here. Okay. So just take us right to number five number five number five the dark Knight. Oh, wow. I in over a vendors in terms of like superhero casts. The vendors better be hired top ten's dot com. Number four, the outsiders. Well, no, I think it's the best. I'm I'm actually a little upset that it's number four number three pirates of the Caribbean. Way too high. I agree with Mike that is has bad listening. Wait is this a sequel with because if Keith Richards? Okay, number two, the return of the king. Lord of the get out of here that is horrible. This. Number one departed. Great list. On the money. What was six through ten? Let's here we might as well here. Fiction. That's pretty good number nine the bridge. Too far. Nice number eight the expandable 's expandable 's no Venables expandable is a different kind of movie number seven ocean's twelve. Oh, there you go Bill. It was the worst. That was the worst of the ocean. It's because they had more people. You can't argue the definitive list number six the avengers. I saw oceans eight on an airplane that killed Danny ocean. I don't know if they killed, Danny? Oh, if you're sad, you think there's a crossover? I don't know if they killed Danny ocean. I feel like if there's an ocean nine oceans nine we see Danny ocean movie and your thoughts. I didn't care for oceans. And I thought it was deplorable. And generally, I think those serve pretty overweight. Listen, they're there. Those right to say, it's a great cast and always active it much much much. Better news. Let's get this of calls here for Adnan Virk. Billy put it on the poll is Dany ocean dead baseball movies at Canada, and we'll get Roger Federer it just a second here with that day. Let's get the Roger Federer. And now you see my Greek freak. All right has Disip est. Hashtag team fed. Okay. I don't know if anyone's aware of this. But Adnan Virk loves Roger Federer more than anything in his life. Loves. He loves federal more than anything. I've ever loved my entire life of serious, including my kids. I mean, he wears a headband. He's got the federal gear on when he's watching matches. He's got a whole team of federal fans, including inexplicably Andrew Brandt. He's a fed head. So I want you to put me there. Okay. Federal loses down under. And I think we're we're near the end of Roger Federer, by the way here at Dan. Oh, I bite your calling that's blasphemy to bite your tongue. Listen apologies to Andrew brand. But I feel like we're at the end here. You think we're at the end of federal because maybe we're just at the beginning of sip us, we might be put us in. Where were you put us there when you found out that Roger federal laws down under in the Australian Open, and please share with us any interaction you have with Andrew Brandt? Three forty five wakeup call as you said headband racket, I finding Mckee foreheads back in my top spit. All of that as Rogers doing this. Well, feeling pretty good despite the early morning hours, but the Oeser twelve inexplicably Roger just can't break fifty five the old for twelve the breakpoints. Oh my goodness. How many cases do they get Roger keep squandering them? And I'm getting immortal foul of Branson are texting. And I've got see Weisman killing camera hold Roger Federer army Chris born, Olivier Irving how and what you get more and more furious. And then eventually I can feel the capitulation coming. It wasn't a Roger plates coordinator. Sincerely, didn't take advantage of his opportunities clearly with five out of his mind. This guy played the match for his wife, and when it was all over there was nothing, but the crying, and it's seven oh, two AM, and I look outside and we had freezing rain overnight and Connecticut, six inches of snow, and I'm like, listen watchers out of a major I've gotta go shopping for an hour and a half at Andrew Branson. I are both wailing in unison that is a day that is just. Horrific 702. I want to pick up that Steve Weissman name you just drought. The house. Why why spend a big star? Why? So it works for the tennis channel my old buddy from ESPN one day. I pray. I pray. It can be probably ESPN coverage of tennis. But until then I support my voice, but he's great on the Ozzy checking about other tennis jail. All right. We got a ton of calls for you. I work at Dole's is the Andrew Brad tell him. We're sorry. We're sorry for. Oh, we're gonna bunch of calls. We're going to bring it back here next. I've been okay perfect. All right. Let's consider the secret life of the innermost nesting doll living, most of her life in the dock inside the other nesting Dole's. He has plenty of time to think if she could sadly, she has no brain, however, when an in a most nesting dole. Here's the guy code not only saves people money, but also has been providing great service for over seventy five years. She thinks it's obvious. You should switch because. Yes. Switching to Geico is a no brainer pity, the INA most nesting Dollond her lot in life. Dr lebatardshow wasting away again in Mars Arita Ville searching for my law shaker sand. Stugatz. Some people claim that there's a green person Belay. Really? But I. Live at our show with a Stu gods on ESPN radio at never continues with us for a second segment here on the shell Pennzoil performance line. Let's get let's get right to Sapone calls here at ready for some calls here a lot. It's got my counter Hodie on them. Right roll. All right. Let's go to let's go to Brian Brian. Go ahead. You're on ESPN radio with that Denver. Yeah. Man. John candy is one of my favorite actors of all time who was on your mount Rushmore, Canadian comics, how well listen, John Kay's, absolutely brilliant. I watched planes trains, and I'll be able to get out on the road retelling football. And was in Dallas. It's on. I cannot get enough of the movie to funding. And smart point candy was incredible. I would also add Jim Carey course, carry I think it's such a genius chameleon is in somebody dramatic does. Obviously as an entertainer the nineties. You're could beat Jim Carrey throwing Dan ackroyd. I think he's very underrated runs. His maybe. And he grew up in Kingston was small town where I grew up in it as well according Chevy Chase some counties back in the eighties. I never fall go. Michael J, FOX, you cannot beat back the tutor greatest film. Trilogy of all time. That's not a that's not a bad mount Rushmore. I gotta be honest. I was surprised I thought it'd be worse. Let's go to Bill. I love you feel Harvard in there to his genius. It's your mount Rushmore. You're gonna put him in there. If you want them in. All right. Okay. We'll remove backward put harmonise. Wow. I thought you really I thought you take Michael J FOX out now. And I'm like doc Hollywood does in love that movie come on. He's a hard way hilarious dot colleague bike doesn't love that movie. Our entire staff doesn't love that movie. I think the only would've liked that movie. What it on the poll? Did you like doc Hollywood? Please. Let's go to let's go to Mark as markets. Go ahead, you're on without Denver. Damn buddy. How you doing is furious on the mount Rushmore of must watch TV? And I would argue fast five has the greatest of all time Mark that's the stupidest question of ever heard my life. I must say. Forty ruled ineligible on the question. I know those movies are awful. Let's just want to buy cars by car driver, rather than have to watch that stupid movie I've ever taken. I've never taken the worst question issued show. Let's go to Georgia Georgia. Go ahead. You're on without Denver. Hey, guys big Marty Smith here big fan. Just want to say, I was honored by the sui nominee. Adnan speaking top my top five movie cast. I just thought trailer for the beach bum with McConnell as snoop Dogg is la- Fisher Martin Lawrence Zac from Jona hill would that rank in top ten cast. And what are your thoughts on the film? No, that's a pretty good cast. I don't think it rank the top ten of all time McConnell is on the latest Sinophile, and you can check on apple podcasts. I talked about his new film serenity working with Martin sports, sesame and wolf of Wall Street's Christopher Nolan interstellar. And also the fact that our great film called Lone Star back in nineteen ninety six Mocatta ham the latest in a foul check it out apple podcasts. You got mcconaughey on man. What a scores do like, I I listen to this got Kevin Hart. Matthew, mcconaughey? I guys crushing it. I know Jake, Simmonds Simmons K awesome. But I could we we got the kind that is unbelievable. What's the best movie? You seen him in. You know, I love Dallas buyers club, obviously won the Oscar for that. I think it will. Washer Washington supporting performance, but he's great. And that I would say probably one of those to do. Well, I can I can I time in because I argue is best performance wasn't in a movie is true. Detective I would say is the Texas edco the Lincoln commercial. Commercials. I ever hear even better than I think I'll get to amid the pool on pretty creepy where he takes that ridiculous pool shot and someone says I've never seen anything like that before. And then he gets in the car and the car says, I see it all the time that makes a weird noise. And it's the only dialogue. I've been he's crazy. He's borderline crater leading into how weird. I would say time to kill for me, by the way, great reference. I did mention that 'cause Lone Star came out in the mid nineties right before he blew up with a time to kill. That's a really underrated movie your, right? That was the birth of Matthew mcconaughey movie star. But yeah, an odd guy love him for you know, what I mean? Because there's nobody else point like him fool's gold. Not even close. Heuristic? Well, actually, Matthew mcconnahey each Lewis ninety McConnell is new movie coming out called serenity. And I know you're not going to say too much about it because he joined your your podcast. But usually it's a big red flag when there's a big vehicle for big time Hollywood star. And this has Matthew mcconnahey in an Hatheway and the reviews already in it. Usually when you release a movie in January. That's a big red flag. Right edman. Absolutely. Like, you're right about let's go to. I don't wanna get too much. Mike is right to Mike point if it's like award worthy. Of course, it comes in October, November December prosperous nation money Memorial Day Labor Day becomes late January. That's about one to doc. Hollywood come out. It wasn't the summer looking up. Right. This summer. Willie what enough right down Chris on Billy give you the grocery dot collie with. Let's get that for them. Or let's go out to Kyle. Go ahead. You're on with that. Dan virk. Hey, guys, doing good. Have you had the live the rest of your life? Watching the same thing over and over would it be sand law or would it be any of the Ernest movies? He point for me. I'll go into scared stupid. I mean, hey, or you've heard it just Jim Carney to be you wanna unique character. Which is I don't have any go with this movie. Let's go to wait. Wait, what about Ernest goes to jail is? How is that was a really good one? Yeah. Yeah. I would say of all the movies. That's more like rocky three. I think are scared. Stupid more like rock, doc Holliday actually did pretty well at the box office Hollywood on. Yes. Or dot Kali. Would actually did pretty pretty well at the box office fifty four point eight million dollars gross in just the USA tech the tape. I said sixty million so off a little bit. But thank you. It was a relationship for deputy hitters Mike said in relation to gross. And if you want to be even more you. About success in other FOX. All right. Let's go to Alonzo Alonzo. Go ahead, you're on with that Denver. A lot don't. The question. What would you say is the biggest Oscar snub of all time I attest that it's John can sail. K frito from the nineteen hundred five godfather to. That's a great one. Because Al was unbelievable. The late actor who was so wonderful. He was always end up end up with alpha king, like great dock at noon, as you mentioned the course in Prato, I in the godfather one and two, but I would say the greatest one of all time. I mean, it's kind of processing the fact he didn't win director for good fellas or director for raging bull last to Robert Redford for ordinary people back in nineteen eighty and lost a Kevin Costner. Speaking of inexplicably for dances with wolves. Nobody ever says themselves they feel like watching dance Google today. But everybody always says, I feel like watching a great point, by the way Alonzo. Are you Lorenzo our TV producer? No, no, not at all share the laugh. Are you doing show? Those Lorenzo veteran. One more call here. Let's go out to let's go to Christina, Christina. Go ahead you're on with Adnan Virk. And then if you had to choose the who Tommy or Pink Floyd the wall. Thanks music question. I'll listen I was deferred to Mike Ryan on the news the questions I'll go with Pink Floyd. And I hope Mike backs me up. But I would well wait hold on a second that she's asking because Pink Floyd made a movie the wall and the who made a movie called Tommy boy. So I don't know if you saw any of those have I did honest. Tommy, Tommy boy by the customer. They made Tommy boy, I dunno. I'll go with black sheep. How's that for an answer? That works. All right added. As always this has been the life whole. We love you. If it was a stugatz and friends podcast network, you'd be on it. But it's labrador and friends in there for you or not never you're the best. Do I love all you guys or any chance I'm closer to getting on like I can't relation sarahspain where am I Don Libertad Tosca Robinson had a forty one triple doubles back at sixty one sixty to forty one Stu gods? It's robertson. But no, okay. But these live at our show with Stu gods on ESPN radio. ESPN radio is presented by progressive insurance. Guests on the Dan Le Batard show appear via the shell Pennzoil performance line. 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I'm used to be. We should have that song underneath you should just speak like that. What if I just always talk like this? I realized it was much more pleasing to people's like, honestly, how much more popular would I be in life? And as a person if I just approached everything with this instead of my usual self that'd be on NPR. I voice and a guest Iona SNL. Yes, roaring is what it is. I mean for the people love sweaty bowls. A good start. Mikey see the smoke ring. Right. So I'm going to hand you a question here from the magic creative contents. That doesn't matter. What we're doing? What we're talking about if Mike plays. That's on. That means we go to the magic creative content. We bought a question. Mike doesn't play any song. Okay. Sorry. Just sat FinnAir, right. Okay. So sarah. What was the question today in the creek if you were forced to give up one of your five senses? Which would you choose? And why? Wow. Fat, Chris let's go around the right of figure out the five senses. So it's obviously. The taste. Yep. What else feel like touching things Jinya can someone help me. And no one's gonna taste sight sight and hearing hearing. It's tough. It's tough. I'm going to go taste. What's what I'm going to? Actually, you can go smell, smell and taste like. Twenty so I'll get rid of smell, but it's to ruin taste. But if you get rid of tastes now that doesn't ruin smell. But then you don't smell is like a mixed bag, right? It's nice to be great. But I'm not going to have the same taste. That's true. But but is taste more important than hearing touch or site. I think I go. Let's go back to the top. I'm gonna touch I say most important, I your fingertips friend. I mean, listen, I I'm not I'm not billing on taste hearings. Pretty important. I say everyone has been good. Been good at hearing. I mean, I'm not great at it. But I don't wanna get worse. I'm pretty sure you couldn't do this job. If he literally couldn't hear though, unless every what's what's pop. Grand for its eyesight or hearing at the top. Like, what are we like? What's like power rankings absences, is that what you let's be careful not to insult people are not able bodied. There's a lot of ways to work around. But I would say I think it'd be easier not to here than it would be not to see I'd prefer not to suit. I have a question is this something. Is this an ability that we've had and we're losing or something that we were born without having it sounds like you're choosing to give it up, which means you have it already. I think I'm gonna go smell, which does stink for taste. But I don't wanna lose out on music. I don't want to not be able to see and touch beyond the obvious. We all along you can't smoke. There's also people there's like a disease where you can't feel. And so it's really dangerous. I'm going with knowing you're touching fire. You don't feel feel feel? Off guys never want to have sex again. That's all right. I was trying to be subtle. But at this point, I feel like no one really understood what we were going with. I've been there for a decade. That's sure I'm married to do you. Wait, you not feel pain? Max. No. I don't think you feel anything which sounds nice. But but you're not immortal really dangerous. Yeah. There's people who have diseases like that. And they don't know that they're touching fire. They don't know that there are getting frostbite. They don't. It. Sounds good until your body's falling apart the way that you positioned. It sounds like a superpower. We're not actually like you said immortal. Everything's still very damaging. You just can't tell that your hand is on fire rogue in the next men, she was incredibly strong. But if she touched someone it would damn near kill them. So that seemed like a miserable existence for rogue glow. Go smell, but. Yeah. That's why gambit in her at a very complicated relationship. But in the cartoony with silk caller, Mona me. Yes. It's smeller feel. Let's just end it there. It's got to be one of those. I do I think if you removing smell. You're also removing tastes. It's not the most efficient decision, but what taste will be Beckton. Hacking to ruin like a bottle of Joe porn, still tastes like chicken, porn ninety. You'll get you'll feel the texture. No, it definitely wouldn't a scenario. Actually, you're right because we're not connecting them. We're we're dealing with that Praia independent in that case, you absolutely get rid of smell because then assuming this magic creative content is able to independently remove them, then we'd get to keep taste as. I'm going touch guys. I'm sorry. I have enough data here where I'm still going. I'm going touch here. I have enough that listen, I don't want to I want my chicken parm to taste like chicken polar. I you. He likes chicken for more than sex. I'm not having sex. I'm still having chicken days there should be a six cents. What what would you want it to be? All right. Thanks for your help. ESP seems great until you can actually seeing dead people hear what other people think. And then you realize like it's not that great ESPN plus four ninety nine. A and makes all the sense. Oh nice. So do we have have we determined one yet? I'm going touch. That was a good question. Most content. We've gotten out of that magic. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That was a good job your job by the crate. I want to do this smoke break with Mikey sick. Are you familiar with smoke break? Yes. Are you familiar with might once? And he claims that I did. Oh. Questions. We did. That that four. I mean, he got some of the cafeteria the person who bring breakfast Golic and wingo every morning, I want to hear that. That's always a tough word through wrec fish. That. What one word describes your high school experience? Pain. Getting hayes. Celibacy? Chill. The giftable forget actually, forget -able would smell you smear Nuff. Actually, I'm going to say just sporty. That's really all. I did. Yeah. Billy. Man was a huge job. Forty of here. Homecoming king and all two dollars. Wow factor is food. Wow. That was a dad segment. Let's certain. Anyway, casper sleep can be shruggled. You might toss the turn or overheat that may Mike's hard lemonade more than one word black and mild. Those are more than one. Yeah. Not me though. That's because I am falling into my cool and comfortable casper mattress every single nights aim. I was away messages way messages. Your boys killing the aim. Showering dot dot dot be back in ten. Got real Email and just posted the lyrics to a song number mice base songs. Yeah. I crushed my space. Did you really different dudes in in California? My space was basically just dating shutout. Tom remember top aides when you're on the bottom row? It's like what's up, man? I can't get up there. I'm not a top four friend your life, four years removed from high school or you. No at this point like ten or twelve. Well, you're younger than bring back my space game. Let's face. It was amazing. It's been fourteen years since high school. Oh, yeah. Time flies Chris. Yep. Until you stop having sex. If that hasn't started yet has it. He has a child donlevatar. And finally the Carolina Panthers have a sommelier Lear on staff. Wine expert, small EA, you want to try one more time. No, still guts, try to get a little can I hear it. Again, the ARA silent. It's French trench. And finally the Carolina Panthers have as Somalia on staff, not a Samal. Molly is not as Molly, Mike. Let me already go small EA smoothly. Finally, the Carolina Panthers have a small lay on Steph perfect BCC done live at our show with this two guys on ESPN radio. Golick and wingo and Steven A on the road presented by progressive insurance. We live from Atlanta beginning Wednesday for coverage of the big game drivers switched to progressive gets even average of six hundred and sixty eight dollars. They'll be Atlanta will be right here. Right. If a big guest lined up for next week big big guests you go in the Super Bowl. I'm not this year. You know disappointed. Yeah. I like going it's usually fun. But you know, why did you get the assignment this year? I don't know the last two years, I haven't I haven't been going probably because they figured out that most of the time when I went I just went to a lot of parties and didn't really do that much. Anyway. Also, I used to have a show on Saturdays where it made sense. And now like radio rose dead at six six PM eastern. So like having me out there for spin fits doesn't make. Jason. Well, they never did it on that. I was there for something else that I did is he in is in Spain. And it was like seven to nine PM. And there's nobody there except for one police officer wandering around like, oh, you guys want me to get this guy. All right. What's going on? You were showing me a a funny picture of Antonio bratty photo shopped himself into a picture with Jerry Rice, what is happening? I I laughed and I was like this is silly. And then the more looked at it the more. I was like this makes no sense whatsoever. Okay. That's the first of all he's in Turks and Keiko's like go swim with a dolphin or something. What are you doing on your phone? That's where it's tagged. He was mom saying you're interpreting Keiko's and you're busy posting photo shops. Have you hugging? Jerry Rice, come on. Man. I you're not making the best use Keiko doing that. Doing that. That is there way on his Instagram. He posts this this photo of him hugging. Jerry Rice, except it's not him because he never played for the forty Niners. It's in Tonio Brown into forty Niners uniform hugging Jerry Rice with a quote about Jerry saying, you know, if you've got a player like that you can get to really added to the offense you have to go for it. So if you wanna post Jerry Rice, saying something nice about you just post a picture of Jerry Rice, and the quote, don't take somebody else's body. And then change the name plate to Brown. And then the worst part of it all is the caption says when the goat embrace you like that. If you've never been in a photo together, and you need to Photoshop people are looking like I don't remember complain for the Niners. That's because didn't this makes no sense. You were talking about radio row in how sad it could be any Comey thinking of one of my favorite show clips ever been with his show, totally ignore it. Our conversation. W we're having this weird. I heard it. I heard it. Sara sorry. This is better. I was trying to supplement the previous conversation with how sad radio row can be any evening thinking of this. Once you gots launched seven ninety the ticket. Oh, boy or flagship station down here in Miami. He built out the lineup and Kevin Rogers was the evening time host. But and it was so sad. I remember one time he saw Lincoln Kennedy there, and he was trying desperately on the air to get Lincoln Kennedy on the show, and it wouldn't happen. Nobody shows up at this time. However, there was one time that our hero. Kevin Rogers, the host saw a huge star on radio row day, Raj. And I think this is perfect. I don't even want to give the context as to what happened around his mouth and that injury. So this is just a perfect twenty-second sample of how sad radio row is at night. What else we got? Oh my God. Ray Lewis is here. Can we get ready to Lewis and the show before my tongue falls off? Ray freaking Lewis in the house while hey, Ray got a couple of minutes. Right. Let's see whatever right Louis. Walk son, and my tongue is bleeding while. Is radio after six PM with one security guard. That is why Sarah Spain is not going to Atlanta that sound would have been perfect like four minutes ago. I'm sorry continue really awesome. By the way, we're not gonna we're not gonna get any explanation of the bleeding tongue which gonna leave that out for anybody. Who doesn't know what happened including me get k- road? On the loan, whatever, right Louis, walk son, and my tongue is bleeding while. Where did he have no producer? And he was just he's live on air asking Ray Lewis. Could I I need to hear it again, full death. What else we got? Oh my God. Right. Lewis is here. We'll get right Lewis in the show before my tongue falls off. Gray freaking Lewis in the house while Tehran got a couple of minutes. Right. Let's see. Whatever. Wow. Oh, they totally go to get rejected via Email. But that was the rare moment when actually heard someone just get completely ignored. I have Dan. And I when we say, we have no control over the show, you know, Sarah, because you're a friend of the show, we have no literally, no control over this show. We're having an Antonio Brown conversation. Those guys are doing something entirely different. Which is why I love this show. I mean, you can do an entire show based on radio row idiocy and terrible people promoting things. Yeah. It's sad. This week of the year outside of draft week. It is the said this week on the supports calendar for Dan. Does joe. All right. We're we're going to talk to Adam Schefter. He's coming up next. He's an NFL expert, but you can only ask them basketball. Call seven eight six or five six forty three seven or questions that is Adam Schefter next.

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"It's you just like it's mobile. Incarnation angry birds booby to simply with loud shrieking diversions the filmmaking making his level up but you're still wasting your time. That's chandler hlavac global mail. The movie were reviewing as angry birds to that review coming up momentarily once again again. Walk him as always a sinophile. Appreciate your support appreciate you checking out. We've also got a very special guest jacob estes. He's the director film called. Don't let go stowing tabled yellow michael t williamson and it's an excellent gwen through i look forward to talking to jacob nolte but this film of some other work as well so all that more coming up and speaking of the facts crime film from mount rushmore join me to talk with her favourite climb films of all time. It's a pretty <hes> tough list to get through all of them. That's we're going to attempt to do and always is keep those reviews komo. We always appreciate the fact that you're giving us. Some live on apple podcasts. Please do subscribe unsubscribe resubscribe again to other people subscribe rate and review. You got this freer from the bad guy. One twenty-seven yes love me some adnan. I love this pot always find light full of great movie info i can trust a._d. To give me his honest opinion liam i'd always agree with his opinions by they'll be unbiased and come from an informed place five stars. Thank you thank you very much driver person. Glad you're back. It'd be great if you reviewed movie from the last few decades or so maybe something great we should all revisit or something obscure and wonderful that might have been missed the excellent work so i love that idea from driver person in fact. I'm going to talk with the film tootsie today which are rewatch recently on him. I love that idea. Maria watching some great classics heron as well charlie's alex looks as well and his love for movies is unmatched always makes fun for discussion in addition to was insightful reviews. He includes fund segments like mount rushmore bought a bench. The interviews are great show. It's still we tremendous. If it were just adding joe talking with their favorite films there you go joe some love for you is wall buddy fearn. It also one more from grass killer. Enjoy the new adnia podcasts edition of the sopranos segment is perfect anything mount rushmore spot on the interviews continue to be stellar agni the best lap as a broadcaster that i do question as obsession session with martin scorsese three smiley faces laughing keep churning out great material. Well grass killer just for you. You're gonna love this story so the irishman is of course coming out to the new york film vessel september twenty seventh. It has been a long story of the fact that martin scorsese and company want this movie in theaters. Let me give you the back story here first so marty. He's going to deal with paramount. He's a reunite deniro first film since casino and about one hundred million dollar budget and it's going up op at paramount says you know what we can't do this because you serious they go. No we can't do why is so expensive and he's saying because the fact i'm using a lot of this new technology which is called de aging and i'm going to tell the story of de niro and pacino as i work with pacino chino from thirty until seventy high pacino's playing jimmy hoffa dinners playing frank sheehan is friday and it's very expensive paramount box netflix comes in says marty whatever you want whatever you want. You want final cut of course you get that. You're an eight-time best director nominee. That's the most of any living director you name the budget. We got you so the final. A budget depends on who you talk to one hundred sixty million dollars or it's two hundred million dollars but marty. Nobody loves cinema more than him. Nobody loves going to the movies more than loves the theater experience more more than him. Maybe christopher nolan and spielberg. Those three guys love it more than anybody so maher. He's been a deal the devil here. He's going to deal with netflix. He wants to make and by the way final cut the movies coming in at two hundred ten minutes three and a half hours that's right baby three and a half hours of pacino deniro and guess you also get along for the ride. The cajole retirement harvey tell back with the the boys and why not bobby kennedy valley ray romano are along for the ride as well but mardi loves movie in the theater so netflix has an impasse here with theater owners saying please. Can we get this movie in theaters a._m._c.'s going. Are you kidding me. All of these movies that come out. They play in theaters editors a three month window before they come on d._v._d. Net flicks you guys are trying to bypasses which is not fair a you. Don't release box office grosses. Be everything's available on your streaming service. In the case of roma. It was in some theaters within a month. It was on the streaming service netflix and the theater owners are saying if you wanna release the irishman you can do that november first but then it can't be on netflix again respect the fact everybody else else all these other countries are playing with the same rules of the ninety day window and that was the saying. Are you insane. Of course we're going to do that. The whole point is we're getting people to pay for our streaming servers to pay the fifteen bucks a month and then boom look what we got a new martin scorsese gangster film on netflix. That's the way this works so ultimate. They could not reach a decision. Mardi even call the theater holders himself. Could you imagine getting a phone call from scorsese. Please put my movie in the theater possible way nolan view dunkerque. Gotta watch in the theater. I don't want what my film being seen. On netflix in fifteen minute intervals well people go the bathroom or check social media chase her kid's diaper or whatever and ultimately the answer is no. You're going to have to watch watch the film in some independent cinemas november first november. I some indy cinemas are going to carry the irishman then november twenty seventh. It's going gonna be streaming on netflix available everywhere. So of course i'm going to see the movie the biggest baddest eater possible which is why september twenty seven it is debut in the world premiere at the new york film festival approach to all of you because remember the name itself specifically but it was like early august on no actually it was actually birthday july. I twenty ninth and somebody tweeted. I know what adnan virk is doing. September twenty seventh and check my twitter and boom. They said you can either get these insane passes which are like. I don't even know thousands dozens of dollars. It's the ultimate super deluxe passenger film festival or opening night pass so within seconds of course online at credit card boom. Let's go opening night pass. Is you get tickets guaranteed for open night plus ten other tickets to films in the new york film festival which is taking place september twenty seven to october six so it's four four fifty bucks. That's my birthday present to myself which i did as i'm taking my family for that day so here's the big news so last week. They announced on the thursday thursday august twenty seven. You can redeem your tickets just because you bought that package which i did. I have the receipt all that you still have to go on at ten a._m. And make sure you redeem your tickets so the day before i call the new york film festival hotline. How does this work okay at ten o'clock aim toward you're going to get an email and when you get that email you press that link and in that link you're going to follow it. It's very restrict forward. You have to add one ticket for your opening night selection and then get ten of their tickets for a variety of other films great tim what else is playing. I'm one of ours got. New film called painting. Gloria cordes pedro motive <unk> great filmmaker tommy tommy down all my belt. My mother bubble blah mccoy's a new film out yeah great okay. I did hear about that. It can awesome olivier korea s._a._s. as a new film out jokers out my great. What is joe jokers points. If you're at twenty eight wide released october fourth he could see two weeks early. Oh that's unavailable hanging four fifty bucks. I guess what you can't get joker. Let's forty bucks okay. I wanna see motherless brooklyn. That's ed norton's new film. I love the book i bought it. From my friend cab twenty years ago twenty years ago shout ought to eight. Oh three forty gerard street in downtown toronto. I took motherless brooklyn off his bookshelf and a fantastic book but a detective with terrorists and norton starring and in writing and directing. I'll get tickets to that. They can't do that either. What do you mean that's a closing night selection. That's different. Okay whatever i don't give a damn as long as they get my ashman ticket on good. I don't sleep that night. Show the next morning morning waiting at ten o'clock even one of my kids about getting mail yet. Oh five km boom. I gotta go. I pressed the lake. I start falling through it because of an idiot and i got greedy. I feel so bad. I said you know what my wife really wants to go as well. Let me just see because of course he loves court says he she loves she loves to narrow. We'll get et cetera et cetera. I'll see if i can get a two for opening night and then just do nine tickets the rest of the way so for the thursday night because it allows you to choose number of tickets zero one or two so i go to tickets for thursday night debut which by the way i can. I check the guy i said. How important is it because there's multiple screenings. He goes you wanna get the three p. or the a._p. At alice tully lee hall. I'm like okay that means says de niro pacino. They're going to be there as well. We can't say with specificity but think about it. This is the world premiere film. You bet your ass. Marty is going to be there. I would assume bob's going to be there and probably al one maybe pesha show up and hey bobby kennedy valley reminder harby much show up. I mean who the hell knows. It'd be spielberg's shorthairs my buddy marty. Just want to say hi so i okay. It's going to be the three p. the a._p. 'cause he goes. There's other screenings. I've been the films to be shown in six theaters or something like that on that thursday but you gotta be at the alice tully three p. or eight got it. I started firing through other tickets. I wanna go see terrence. Malick stays have have been classic film which i've never seen before one thousand nine hundred and apparently it's incredible the big screen i've never seen mccabe and mrs has miller classic robert altman films starring warren beatty a western back in the mid seventies. That's playing terrific and of course. I don't know my full schedule with m._l._b. Network gel network zone but i'm like. I'm hoping i'll be available available. If i'm not maybe i will discuss joe. We'll give the tickets to you guys if i can't go see these movies somehow through sin. I'll say who wants to tickets to go. See whatever fell oh my canco see boom. I'll give it to you guys but the point is just get the tickets and go right. I go through it. The book doesn't work literally says you have elapsed the number of tickets tickets available. I'm like oh my god. 'cause i went for those two opening night which you can't do the guy said to me specifically. It's one ticket. I got greedy. Dammit okay start over again. Okay start over again. I go to eight p eight p sold out joe. I got the link at ten. Oh seven i did it at ten zero eight at ten eleven eight p is gone and i'm thinking oh my god this. This is the black tie 'em premier event marv albert and it's already got all the tickets gone okay. I better get that three p. I start going through to get three again. I picked now. I do it properly this time okay. I'm not an idiot one ticket for three p. and ten other tickets. At how about this the other advice the guy gave me which was a great bit of advice. I said listen. My wife loves this movie more than anybody. She's just like like me. He goes. Here's good news for you. The next day the next day on saturday so keen thursday nydia finite the movies for twenty seven september twenty eighth at noon. The irishman irishman is playing ten remaining tickets. You can use to tickets. They're perfect. We'll get a sitter. We can go get two tickets. They're even better at four fifty on the saturday. I say what what is this. It just says on directing colon martin scorsese. I don't know if it's a new director documentary but mardi whatever it is that too so of the ten remaining tickets in addition to opening a friday. I got to the irishman noon saturday so thinking about this folks. I'm going to watch it at three p._m. Friday i'm going to watch it again. The next day at noon food and in addition to this score says documentary and then i'm picking three other movies two tickets per. I go to the end of it doesn't work again. Vouchers elapsed now having heart attack. I call the film vessel hotline. Nothing leave a message. I don't know what else to do. I tried to get your tickets. Vouchers are gone. I'm like oh my god. I'm four fifty fifty dollars gone. I'm hyperventilating now. I call back tim ensler. Nothing that's called timothy kohler messaging thing i go. I gotta go. I get in the car i started driving because it says the preferred vert options to do this online but if you'd like to in person you can go to new york city the new york film festival box. I live thirty five minutes door to door hocus to manhattan. I'm in the car speeding across g._w. Bridge. I decided to call the hotline again boom. Somebody answers. I pull over michael dunn. Who is my hero. Who is the best person you're going to eat and michael. Donna explains situation to me is okay. I think i understand what happened because you incorrectly tried it. The system is basically saying you're vouchers are gone. I said okay but i still have those tickets. We'll know the vouchers have been used but you don't have the tickets. They don't worry sir. I'm going to get my i._t. Guy in the line. We're going to take care of this. You're going to be fine. I said listen mike. The oregon is let's be honest. Those are probably all studio heads his fellow actors directors friends of people those who are going to be gone quickly but don't worry as long as you're alice tully hall three period guys. Am i going to guarantee the three p. or am i going to be in some. You know oh crappy theater in greenwich somewhere watching this thing. Don't worry fingers crossed. I come to the box. I'm in the city. I'm ten minutes away. That's okay just go at your all right. I started driving home. I get back. I'm almost home in new jersey. He calls back. Let's do it again all right. I talked to go through it. Again doesn't work in other heart attack now. He's confused because i talk to the i._t. Guy you should be trying to get trivia. Ah doesn't work. I said mike i can get back across the bridge. There's no it's okay. We're gonna be all right. I'm just praying now. I'm sweating bullets two hours later. He calls you back all right. I've spoken the department's director. Let's do this again together. Like oh my god please. It's now two thirty in the afternoon. I am thinking in four and a half hours guarantee. These tickets are gone. He listens syria after stanton. These are not available to the general public abbott though the general public cannot buy these single pass tickets to september fifth so the only people right now who are securing tickets people like yourself who paid the four fifty dollars for opening. I plus ten tickets. I said but that could be million people. It's your exciting for god's sakes how many people's theatre holding we're gonna be okay. We start going through step by step and sure enough. Babb tickets secured within five minutes voucher sent to my phone. I'm going to print them out. Treat them like gold. The bottom line is is michael. Dunn is an absolute champ. People go to social media all the time the blast people michael dunn is a good guy. I immediately set to tell me who your bosses. What your supervisor's e mail is. I sent an email that this guy's unbelievable. I suffered seven heart attacks but i'm going to be at the first ever screening of the irishman three p._m. Alice tully hall in addition the film the very next day and by the way that scorsese on directing thing that's talk that he's holding so not only am. I going to watch the irishman of back to back days by then. You're going to be a theatre watching my favorite filmmaker talk about fell joe. This was an unbelievable roller coaster ride. Oh my goodness congratulations. You're gonna go see you're going to hear him. Talk about the film and so much work has been put into this film. It's been years in the making. That's really cool congratulations. Thanks so much man. No we've gotta talk. We figure cadence thirteen. I don't know if there's a press line. Israeli israeli we can do as far as manipulating my way backstage. Perhaps a days in advance that this may be a separate issue. We can discuss but yes. I don't know if he presses available so but bottom line is this. I will be there. We can figure it a method. I can live just said live tweet. I i'll do it we can do y'all do pockets right afterwards right. I'll see the film of three p. I'll literally seven p._m. I just walked out of the theater. Here's my podcast. Here's my five minute review and we'll go from there. Love it love that idea. Stay tuned. Everyone exactly stay tuned for more from the irishman all right. Let's quickly get through this review of angry birds to <hes>. It's fine quite honestly labor day. Weekend is a time where there's not many strong films being released. We're all waiting for the summer movies which are a lot of fun but the popcorn pictures once those are done. We can start to focus on the real awards bait and those haven't come out yet. They generally starts arreseptember even october over now so angry birds to listen. It's fi took my kids to go see it. You know it's decent animation. It moved along at a decent clip but i didn't find it particularly funny. I thought it was foolish and featherweight more than anything to be honest with. That's why john data by self. The good news is it's about an hour and a half so it's not very long. I mean if you know anything about the angry birds. You know that silly goofy but i didn't didn't think and i watch every kid's movie. I did not think this is particularly strong compared to all the other kids movies. I generally end up seeing so honestly. I'm giving it to maple leafs. There's nothing special about it. It's got an acclaimed claimed cast. The likes of josh gad jason today because the sight gags. You'd expect the toilet humor. You'd expect this. I'd say the best sees actually takes place in a bathroom so yes. I'm movie which she's reliant at some bathroom humor. The best thing actually takes place with a fight which takes place in a bathroom evolving euro of toilet and all the rest of it. If you don't have high expectations you'll be fine with it. That'd be angry. Birds is to currently in theaters giving it. A couple of maple leafs as far as movies to focus on the weeks out. I mentioned motherless. Brooklyn came in for that plus the venice this film festival is going on right now. Obviously i'm not there nor is joe one day. We'll get in the gondola and experience it from now. We'll talk venice film festival. What those movies are like next week. Incentive file once. I'm able to read some reviews and see what some of the critics are saying about those films in the meantime. Some entertainment news algebra's back to work. Jeopardy's double the chemotherapy that is incredible news. The great canadian is back. Doing what he does. 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Okay then is i didn't then i was with dicaprio wolf wall street here so we came up with all <hes> <hes> which apparently is his own acting he does it himself by the way apparently score says into capri after son doing that onset i put that movie that was one of the funniest parts of the film lassie valerie harper who played rhoda morgenstern the brash bronx accented cents sidekick to the mary richards character on the mary tyler moore show went on top line spinoff rhoda passing away after being diagnosed with lung and brain cancer in two thousand nine. She was eighty years of age. Wjr harper won four emmys for the two hugely popular nineteen seventies shows performed on the stage and big screen as well as appearing on dozens of other series. Those who was diagnosed with cancer ten years ago she catoon working and competed on dancing with the stars in late twenty thirteen serve as far as valerie harper certainly actress that many people loved and honest so you can appreciate her work out on the mary tyler moore show but those other films as well. It's data per special guest. I always imagine what i'd do after scoring the game winning touchdown and it always ends of the jumping into a the big comfy bed getting the sleep i deserve and i'm no pro athletes scoring points. I can still score big savings during mattress firm's labor day sale now extended through tuesday. Get a king in bed for a queen price or a queen for a twin price and save up to six hundred dollars plus. You can take home a free adjustable base when you spend four hundred ninety nine dollars but hurry. Sorry offer ends tuesday all right. The filter we're talking about is don't let go and it's a pleasure to have the director. Jacob estes joining us now jacob. Thank you so much for the time. Thanks for joining us sedan sinophile. Thanks for having me terrific film so happy i got to see it and it hits the ground running and never lets up and i i often think about one of the the theories aaron film school which is that you've got ten minutes to get the audience hooked in your case. You clearly don't waste any time for those unaware of the storyline. I'll give a little bit. I don't wanna give too much but detective active. Jack radcliffe gets a shocking phone. Call of ms recently murdered niece ashley working together across time. They raised us all the crime before it can happen. How did you first come up with this theory theory of having a murder which is the fulcrum of upon which the entire plot resonates and you've got this whole time travel or you could say <hes> shifting time continuum affecting protecting the entire story but i just thought that <hes> in the middle of all of this horrific violence <hes> that we're experiencing experiencing culturally and you know some of us personally the idea that we could get a phone call from <hes> the past <hes> <hes> we could rescue are dead loved one <hes> wasn't incredibly hopeful thought and <hes> something i wanted to pursue the film premiered at sundance and obviously you've had time to kind of look at it since then. How does that affect your jacob if at all wants. It's actually screened. Did you make edits. Do you look at different things or do you see you know what this is. The film as it was intended and i'll just ride it out the way it is yeah we <hes> premiered at sundance and <hes> it was the first time that i got to see the movie in front of a fun dancey nc audience. Let's say and <hes> seeing the movie through the audience is is <hes> gave me some insight and <hes> caused me to think about what i wanted to <hes> do with the movie if anything and <hes> even reading some of the criticism this is in <hes> <hes> gave me some insights and i i went back to the drawing board a little bit with <hes> jason baum and with david or yellow <hes> and we pulled out <hes> the first cut that i ever did as a movie and examined you know what i loved about that and <hes> <hes> <hes> sort of surgically transplanted some of those <hes> i was initially in love with back into the movie that is now in theaters. Well good for you for at least you know what i want to. At least he would others are doing and see <hes>. I appreciate others taken stock because listen the entire effort ensures collaborative collaborative listen you did an enormous amount of effort this in terms of putting all the pieces together but creditreform least adjusting it and making some moves which i'm sure you're doing the entire time in in many ways i look at the whole shifting of maybe think a memento which is a film. I adore christopher nolan from way back. When did you draw any ambition or a complexity from that film at all. I i'm a big fan of memento and i i don't like to compare my movie memento because you know like comparing movie to lawrence of arabia or something thing like that <hes> but when i when i <hes> did <hes> <hes> when i wrote the script and i thought about what sort of the cops were <hes> memento definitely popped up on on you know in my mind and we <hes> went and screened it and looked at it and examined eh and along with a number of other movies well. It's funny. I also think time travel of course they get back. The future and evacuate you to doctor tells marty our only chance to repair the present is the past which is actually accurately our story as well well. Actually i just sat and watched <hes> bill and ted's excellent excellent adventure with my nine year old son <hes> last night and you asking me all kinds of questions about the i'm wine continuum. It's funny. I'm glad to hear that but within a daily yellow is a terrific actor and i really liked his performance in this film jacob because other films listening to play dr king obviously and in selma and he's an actor quite some dignity but i'd like to get stretched a little bit you know this is like a true action movie crime tiller you kind of get to run around and racing against time and <hes> what was it like working with yellow. David is incredible partner and right from in the get go <hes> when you first read the script and wanted to sit down and meet we started to have a a deeply honest conversation about his career and my career career and gives them visions of my emissions and value of the threat and <hes> we <hes> the skip wasn't suli written for for <hes> a person look like david was set on a farm in a in a white community in the mid west <hes> so to re imagine the movie around david meant to sort of dive deeply into a different kind of family in a different kind of culture <hes> and and and we did that together and it was a wonderful process <hes> he he he and i both <hes> went to the l._a._p._d. <unk> d. and found him a <hes> police officer l._a._p._d. Detective who he could shadow and he spent weeks shadowing that person and sending the recordings of that person's voice and then he transformed his own voice to match that way. It's quite effectively <hes> so this is a deeply committed actor <hes> incredibly passionate about the work he does and and <hes> you have a partner like that. You just thank your lucky stars yeah. Monagas is a great film critic the new york times she gave you film positive review of all yellow with natural gravity and grounded physicality. He's one of those screen screen performers who can hold the frame simply by holding still. That's a real compliment to his kind of acting isn't it. It is and i think it also you know sort sort of speaks to what's in the movie right. <hes> eat has some even when he's holding still there's some action or some intention that's you know bubbling inside side of his mind and and and you can read it on his face he's available <hes> either motionlessly available <hes> as he is in life is often after it's a terrific cast. We're talking about jacob best is the film is called. Don't let go makes you check it out. It's available in theaters right now. Good cast here. He also got michael t williamson and of course we will remember him from forrest gump heat many other films bryant tyree henry. He was great in if bill street could talk alfred molina an actor. I always like seeing pop up and and storm reid playing the girl ashley. Where did you cast her. I thought she was very <hes> self aware and really in the moment. I really liked her performance a lot. Yes storm is an amazing actor. <hes> we decided to go really wide and <hes> over the place for the person who would play opposite david <hes> because it's been my experience for making another movie where there were a lot of kid actors mean creek <hes> that you know it's not surly about the acting experience of the kid has it's about their experience that they have and <hes> i didn't necessarily think we had to cast somebody who had starting a wrinkle in time or not <hes> but then <hes> storm came in and auditioned and it was just unbelievably evident and that she had emotional maturity she was an incredible actor <hes> and <hes> she made herself available to go do a chemistry read with <hes> david at his house <hes> which basically means you you get an opportunity to preview <hes> what it would be like like to make a movie with these two people <hes> and by the end of that chemistry read <hes> my casting director was there with a video camera filming it and and she was crying and looked at her and i sort of do right then and there we have found our person and <hes> and <hes> i've seen a storm left. The rim davidson lunged at me and she said you know you realize workout singer and and i and i said yeah <hes> because <hes> uh one of these things you couldn't walk away from yeah. That's awesome when you're able to catch the magic in the casting like that. How tough is it listen. I think you did a really good job of a stretch in the dollar here but i can imagine it just this is a low budget film relatively speaking and you're able to maximize it by being creative but being smart how much of a challenge was it in terms of budget and just the way that filmmakers changed now. You know it seems like either you get a really small budget again one hundred million dollars to make x. men and movie and then people are going into using stream services as well and doing limited series etc in terms of budgetary concerns and constraints. How was it to manage well first of all i it comes from making a really low budget movies and stretching out <hes> the dollar as much as humanly possible my first movie mean creek we shot with kids on a river in a boat. <hes> and those are like three things that you're not supposed to be able to do <hes>. I dunno budget but we figured out a way to do it. Then so we went into the process <hes> competence that we could stretch <hes> you know our small budget <hes> <hes> <hes> and i had the same cinematographer why had a shorthand with shrimp ear who also shot whiplash for blunt house <hes> aw they trusted him and we you know just had to be extremely creative in our <hes> my production shen plan so that meant that <hes> we tried to shoot every single thing in the movie within a three and a half mile radius so that we wouldn't have to change base count very often often that meant that if we went to say <hes> a underpass to shoot the opening shot of the movie as we did that we try to find find like six other things to do in that block you know the day of and the night off <hes> and so <hes> when you start to think that way and make creative solutions that way you get to maximize your days and <hes> we ended up actually getting to post production <hes> under your budget as a result <hes> so <hes> that's how we did it pretty the actress these actors can just do it. You know you do you do a couple of takes five tanks. Maybe and you feel like you've got it done. You know and you feel competent. So you move on on yeah. I wanted to ask any other films jacob. Your second movie actually the details starring tobey maguire laura linney ray liotta dennis hays kerry washington elizabeth. Thanks again a claim. Cast of actors and again like you said i'm sure you're you're doing it by being thrifty as possible that what was that film like into work with the cast like like that relatively early in your career <hes> i mean i actually having a love that movie and it it it really leaks sort of the reason you can get a catholic that has to do with this quality of the script whether the script you know speaking to those those actors and <hes> i was lucky enough after they liked my script and wanted to go forward with me <hes> and <hes> that process was very similar to any other processing including the short films made film school. You know you just get these passionate people and that includes choir and really teri washington that's as burton laura linney and their passion <hes> to do the characters <hes> into the story that you propose <hes> is what carries carries you through production <hes> you're not. You're not giving them the best trailer imaginable you're not flying around in the chat first class everywhere you just provide them the best possible experience that you know how to provide them <hes> and <hes> working with them <hes> you know hand in hand and to ensure that their performances <hes> and hopefully you make a good movie lastly jacob filmmakers and people have film industry this should we all love of their movies who were to be favorite filmmakers. If some of your favorite movies all time oh man <hes> i you know scorsese huge inflow and <hes> actually driver can you may come across. The board are movies. I love <hes> and <hes> it's it's a it's a tough question. I also like broad comedies strong steve martin. The man with two brains is one of my favorite movies recommend that everybody see it listen l._a. Story <hes> the jerk the you're right planes trains and automobiles steve martin is great as is martin scorsese with tax driver and you write about lament. The verdict dogged afternoon serpico so many great ones. Don't let go it makes you people go. Check it out. It's in theaters right now. Terrific crime filler jacob estes or special state. Thank you so much for the time jacob best of luck with the film and with other films as well. Thanks thanks and thanks for having me uh-huh mount rushmore when it comes to mount rushmore rank the the four best when it comes to a certain genre and honestly we want to leave the category up to you guys you tell us what do you want the mount rushmore to be you can tweet me sinophile pod not seeing any p. h. G. pod my friend nick. Durst is running that for me or you can tweet me individually adnan virk a d. n. a. n. s. v._r. Let me know what mount rushmore topic topic you want to do that. We're going to do from now on in the interest of listener engagement and interactivities best crime thrillers the topic this time because don't let go is a crime drama. A great wait list that joe sent me as far as suggested titles and so let's kick it off chinatown one of the great original scripts of all time by robert town. It's all about water incestuous the storyline incredible acting from faye dunaway john huston as monstrous villain jack nicklaus jack nicholson excuse me as j kitties and of course roman polanski. You know what happens to those people right right. They lose their noses. I'm going to chinatown double indemnity. God i love that movie so great from billy wilder about a man and a woman concocting barbara stanwick is is perfect as the fem fatale from hell this also falls in the designation of film the war on the great films of all time fred macmurray as well and of course edward g. robinson and his keys and now i know my little man tells me he's on my shoulder. He tells you what's going to happen. I love i love. I love double indemnity favorite movies of all time. I'm also going to include the usual suspects. I mean seriously wherever you when you found out who kaiser soza was a perfectly scripted by christopher mcquarry won an oscar well directed by bryan singer unforgettable double cast not only spacey of course but gabriel byrne and benicia. They'll toro kevin pollick pete postlethwaite. There's the pakistani that whole cast is fantastic and that is a great crime drama and i'm gonna go with heat for my last one. I mean it's just a gangster saga of the highest order. You've got michael man working at the peak of his powers hours pacino deniro for the first time together. It's also a family drama. They tie in so many themes within this work that it's just a a staggering epoch achievement. It is a crime thriller. The bank heist alone an incredible sequence the ending shootout. It's fantastic. I only make moves in the street. Have nothing in your life. They can stop you in thirty seconds flat when you feel the heat around the corner wonderful one fulfilling to go with it. There's there's lots of great selections here. I mean listen. I really wanted to find a place where old boy that's an honorable mention. What a great asian film. That is my friend r._t. Loves that movie for good reason. It's so well scripted so well rot. That's up there as well. The departed i'm going to classify again is a gangster vilma. Tariq oppose a crime thriller mementos a great fromm as well so there's lots and lots of great choices been interested trying to mix things up a little bit. I wanna go with mount rushmore chinatown outta town double indemnity the usual suspects and hate joe. What do you got. I have the name of the rose nine thousand nine hundred six sean connery really young a christian slater deaths are happening. Annetta monastery in thirteen hundred sean connery's called in to figure out what exactly is going on. I also have all the president's men probably the best movie i've ever seen about a real life event. I think in my entire life i also had the silence of the lambs for so many obvious reasons but then my favorite crime drama of all time this movie called blowout. Oh yeah brian de palma nineteen eighty-one john travolta and as a sound engineer he played sound engineer who inadvertently records murder and he has to figure out what happened so blow out is my number. One definitely must watch okay. I'm gonna upset joe. I've never seen blow. I do love to palma. I've meant to seen it for years. Just as i mentioned i've never seen seen that malik film gonna go see days of heaven. I've never seen mccabe and mrs miller from altman for diploma. The big one missing for me is blow it. I've got to see it now. Especially since you've raved about i was like kind of his oh mahjong some ways to the conversation of course to coppola film in seventy four but i've always wanted to see well. You got a number one number number one. It's it's so so good in john. Lithgow plays the villain in it so definitely definitely watch that all right. We gotta find that. We're blowed is available because you're right. I definitely get on that. I've always wanted to see it and in fact he got a number one pretty good list your tweet us and let us know what you think a your four would be as far as the top ones by the way i'm going to classify science labs a horror movie not climb through but yeah obviously that's a great movie the fact at one literally every category it when all the major five categories best picture director actor actress and screenplay for ted tally tally feet which is awfully difficult and academy circles. The badeah been dan all right. It is the bottom binge so in case you're new to the podcast we do as you recap episode episode. That's right flying through the sopranos. Its totality saudi. We're now up to season five and the first few episodes and honestly for me. This might be the best soprano season of the mall. I'm really partial sopranos season six partout the way they finished the show but honestly season five is great because after season forwards to me was a bit of a misfire and uneven season five goes back to the classic roots of the show which is being very funny. We'll also being the best drama on television to tony sets it up with a news report to the classroom of four and come a- wise guys who gets released including feature lumona. I'm ana the great robert loggia. The legendary old school gangster ran the card game. Tony jackie appraisal robbed as young men to get lowest and tony's cousin tony blunt detto. Oh steve buscemi now becomes part of the crew as does muir captain philly at titled play by frank vincent a scorsese regular of course you know him from goodfellas and raging edging bullying casino and now he's in the show featured makes an instant impression rights alan separate wall matt zoller sites. They're great book. Soprano sessions makes you check it. Out makes an instant pressure struggling on the kitchen of uncle junior in an undershirt with low gis snarling every insulted old story the top of his lungs angela's and more low key introduction explaining country club lunch with tony johnny and carmen he tony be reclosed. Friends in prison also tony influenced by the barbra streisand nick nolte from the prince of tides. It's valentine's apartment commits to fully actors feelings. He's had for years so he hits on dr melfi and she declines politely even after he sends her flowers and asir for dinner malthus response. You're not a truthful person. You're not respectful of women in that really respectful of people you take what you want from them by force or the threat of force. I couldn't live like that. I couldn't bear witness to violence. Wow take that tony in all the duct melfi is not going to take that episode. Two is rat pack. This further illuminates a relationship between tony be the wonderfully low case debauche emmy and james gandolfini tony soprano basically what you know about tony. It's an understated introduction. He's a big ball. Breaker makes makes what already for going bald. The sense of tony can't help but feeling blocked by tony b's impression of jackie gleason old reginald van gleason the third character boyer you fat. It's it's only when the two tonys in the parking lot tony uncle johnny getting high handed about being the boss hint to the dangerous man tony b once was your crowding be tony says but despite the assistance of uncle junior that all class of oh four graduates are all rats and a new ship blenda wants to do his own course it's right. He wants to be a massage therapist. He does not not want to get back into the family racket. This episodes also very strong so what's happening with adriana now. She really realizes that she's in trouble and she's starting to get more information dealing with guilt. She's going to movie night with the mob wives where the mention of anti sarah illustrates how despise both informants and their wives become on the verge of confessing sins percents. I'm not what you think i am. I don't know what to do. She instead flees in tears more than ever but honestly just as you're getting sympathy towards humanity realize the fact that she's just like the mobsters options with whom she fraternizer. She exploited her f._b._i. Connection to rat tina out for scam. She and her father are running through her job. Team was on no one's radar at the bureau but she's upset that her best friend is flirting with christopher actually should be more clearly. Christopher is flirting with her by the way the nice touch carmel and the others are forced stare at the f._b._i. I warning about piracy before they perform deep analysis and citizen kane adrian says so it was a sled. He should've told somebody that's their analysis of one of the greatest. There's films of all time also episode three words johnny you get here about my uncle. Junior is blowing about the past and angie dickinson looked like but you also get more insults now between tony and tony soprano junior's dementia by the way is getting much worse and now they realize this is becoming a real problem. Junior's neurologist tells tony a serious condition is twenty relents goes the house of belleville to find juniors. My large returning to the present. This allows to address receives the worst part of this whole incident. The fact that junior always brings up the stuff that tony hates he brings up. All the mean stuff even tony says why is it going to be something mean. Why can't you repeat something good. I mean don't you love me. It's actually one of the most tender moment you see from james gandolfini tony soprano. He's literally asking his uncle. Why do you gotta be so mean to me. Why do you got to be so harsh. Why can't you focus the times you always played catch on c. dommage as reactions junior. It's perfect you know he's a guy who's dealing with dementia has no idea respond. Whatever you say about karatas soprano. He is still the one who's always being cruel to his brother's son which is really sad and in his fragile mental state. It's almost like feeling juniors helpless. He doesn't even know how to respond tony question as the guys right matt allen whether that's from shame old school reticence or the dementia temporarily robbing his ability to speak it ultimately doesn't matter years gone by tighter and tighter grip on junior driving and further apart from the nephew in the here and now those the first three episodes of season five and the sopranos next time we'll focus on episodes four five and six thank you once again is always for listing subscribe rate and review jacob asked us or special guests fall movie season <music> now coming in earnest so until then i'll see you at the movies <music>.

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I I am one of those guys who doesn't like getting to Christmas before thanksgiving is over time. Okay. Got Christmas lights up November. I I know the last line of my drive home like. Ease up. Let's get to Turkey. I. But now that it is thanksgiving. Can we start playing Christmas music like right now? Well, there's two channels on XM like three and four both just devoted like is in the past. It was just like McCartney and all that old school stuff. Then you got like weezer doing Christmas music variety VC. All right, Christmas, the most Dallas single ever. So black Friday is the Fisher data start playing Christmas. Using is that what you're saying? Yeah. Absolutely black Friday. But not today, speaking of ignorance as a Canadian I knew a ton about Americans in American culture did not know what black Friday was time moved her eight years ago, really any like boxing days enormous in Kansas the day after Christmas. That's what you're drinking get. So somebody goes I go it's black Friday boxing damage. Perfect. Well, it's an inferior version of Boxing Day, although disappointed when I found out what black Friday really was those people. It wasn't like, I know. It was like how free McDonald's. I'm all. Right. So it's time for a little addition of thanksgiving clapback played in Twitter. And I love it to death aunt or aunt as we say in the south aunt. Yeah. I see your Agni's coming back me. Unlike your husband. Oh, jeez. Uncle you keep eating like that. You'll get fat me. I see speak from experience. Auntie? What did you use the dry them dishes? Me your corn bread. And those are your thanksgiving clapback, I will play a few. Why women at? Made it. We're gonna get into like weakened rations. We'll talk to him there lovey-dovey so confused at what is that from this week on that was Michael wash Michalis and that they were talking about that really play. One more time come on. Where two white women at. Thank you very much say with conviction. Yeah. Absolutely. Where the women white women. To placing saddles. Michael imploring image there. No, please we go. See it. If you haven't seen it. Or now, what happened was L watching because hey, we're the white women have not. That's actually what happened. College football accident for two this weekend. Oklahoma West Virginia tomorrow, it's gonna be a ton of fun me. Jesse? Palmer will be in studio for that on ESPN led to make picks in your position. You know? It's interesting. I try to be as objective as possible. I think I have the benefit of being Canadian because everyone always crushes joy for being Ohio State guy. Jesse Florida SEC being like, I don't care. I didn't go to any of these schools. I don't care about it. You're right. I try to be objective, but I can try to have to couch it, but I can't say, hey, I can't wait to see Ohio State at dummy because their defense stinks. Right. But I think Michigan will win because of their great defense as she Patterson will make plays right? So West Virginia, Oklahoma, let's start with that. I I like West Virginia will Greer's great. Their receivers are unbelievable tough loss last week has me a little consoles loss. And I think part of that would say looking ahead to the next game trap game, whatever. Yeah. But they have so much more. Let me rephrase that Kylie worries. An animal always phenomena when the best athletes we've seen in recent college history, specifying baseball and football as well. But this game means more. Or to West Virginia now than it did last week because they lost last week and to get this game over Oklahoma and potentially like not only make up for something. But also, disrupt the other team from an emotional standpoint. I think this is west Virginia's game to lose because of it based on what they're coming into this game realising feeling thinking now, Oklahoma has the bigger stakes because if they win this they believe they have a chance to get into the playoff, right? But a lot of people say they don't because what's ahead of them. Excuse me, the teams above them. But nonetheless, I think from emotional standpoint, this is why a West Virginia should be the favorite to win this game. High-scoring for sure defense obsolete. Big twelve of course, the overstatement of the year. Alabama Auburn, I think Bama wins. The iron bowl is not the iron bowl of yours past Auburn. It's been a disappointment this season Notre Dame USC. I think the Irish they're in the playoff their biggest test with Syracuse. They dummied him. Let me say this of the potential upset rivalry games. I could see SE beating. Notre Dame more so than I can see Auburn beaten Alabama. Okay. Rice thing of of the lopsided rivalry games. Because Michigan Ohio states not so much lopsided. And these two are paper. I could see SE beating Notre Dame more. So than in Alabama. What gives you a reason to believe that because we've seen? There are town there more talented than their record would suggest that is absolutely true. And for them this this is their bowl game. This is their last moment to do something big for their program this year, and they'll people think well, clay Helton may or may not be back, and you know, all that plane into it. I'm not saying it will happen. But I would be less surprised if SE did upset Notre Dame, and it's in A the calcium. Yeah. Blah, blah, and maybe Notre Dame after that huge win against Syracuse. Everyone thought to be the toughest as they let down. Maybe they've read the headlines to at least what you said earlier that even with the loss. There's a chance they could still get into the cost football player. Yeah. FBI numbers. They haven't had something like whatever ninety seven percents. Notre Dame wins there in if they lose it still like sixty eight percent, they could get in. It's only one loss. But I'm with you. If you lose it USC that's alarming. So Michigan Ohio state wolverines have not beaten the buckeyes in forever. They always house seats thirteen the last fourteen, of course, harbor is never beaten the buckeyes now. It's coach of Michigan. This is there. Best chance. I mean their defense is phenomenal. They're number one at all the major categories shape Patterson's and excellent quarterback and Ohio State has shown a real propensity give up big plays. There's a part of that says, Michael I'll believe it when I see it. But honestly, there's no reason I shouldn't believe it. Michigan a win. They're gonna win by at least ten I think you'll house. There's gonna win. Wow. Nice past history and asking his great. And the only reason I say that is this is one of those games that is just set up for Michigan to lose. Because of all the things you said why they should win. And and this is more not about the Xs and os, and and the roster's death, and all that kind of stuff is really just about the history of this rivalry the emotions involved that would suggest that this is world. Heil state ruins one of Michigan's best seasons because they're supposed to win. They're supposed to go to the playoff and solely. Because of that reason Ohio state's going to stop them from doing it. We've seen it so many times in the past on both sides, quite honestly in the past recent years that you said oh things. Dominated. But this is one of those years Michigan Posta win and they won't solely because of that. But the buckeyes look show bad against Maryland. Like, they they had to dig and Claude Overton to beat the term. Really look that batting. It's michigan. No, I do agree. The rivalry game. They'll get up a little bit. But I just don't think they have the horses especially defensively they give way too many big plays. They want hate them with gouge them in the run game. They have. But like as good as Michigan is playoff this year. And we give them a lot of credit because of how bad their offense has been less because they didn't have a viable quarterback. They clearly have that now. Yeah. But if you're an opposing defensive coordinator are you fearful of the Michigan offense. No because they don't have time to go acquire wreck. So so now, you're your house state like all right? Look, they put us in good numbers. Ain't nobody him. Right. As a kid say ain't nobody afraid of them. And you add the emotion to it. I just don't think that same Michigan offense. We've seen the last. Let's say six weeks seven weeks. We're going to see on Saturday. We will not see that offense. They will play better. If you are right. If Michigan loses this game. Like if you're over eight fail. That's one of the all time got lunches illusion to your biggest rival the best chance you've had an ears. But you also get knocked out of the plan. And that's what makes that rivalry so special because it's happened. We've also seen it, you know, in years past with Auburn Alabama a couple of years ago Auburn beat Alabama but album still got to go to the os just last year when we just last year. Yeah. So going to go to playoff they won the championship. But that is the part of the rivalry that makes it so good as how many times the team that shouldn't win wins and ruins the other team's chances at a national championship. It will be crazy. Not crazy about the noon. Start by the way. I like my college football three thirty seven o'clock. We'll have Michigan. I know. It's history right out of the gate, but noone you like it that way. Pam, I like boobs Zun couple of reasons. One covering for thanksgiving. Anyway, she's a little bit of a boost trip, Dan, etc. And then plus I got the rest of the day to go do some stuff. Right. That's from a personal standpoint. But no, unlike the news specially like I don't know what it is about the big ten maybe up always felt like always visit noon saying they're going Minnesota, noon eastern. Yes. We're like the SEC was more like three thirty whatever reason. Sample epic twelve at night. Yeah. Like, I'm new let's get up. The start popping them emotions and bloody Marys nine o'clock and three hours later were not too drunk. And we actually watched the game with some type of competency college football action. We'll have tonight egg bolt. Mississippi State almost myself Jesse power via studio for that. Bubba can't wait conscious counting seven o'clock eastern Egbo. How is it? By the way, I used to work in Memphis. And so we would cover. Oh, miss and Mississippi State and MRs better grove is dead groves phenomenal. Plus, it's a short drive from Memphis point of going away to starkville. It's it's okay. Because it's it's a little cooler than you would. Then you want and Mississippi, even though it's not cold like it is here in Connecticut this year, right? But the food man like it's phenomenon in starkville or Oxford. Yeah. Southern food and southern football Saturday food is the best food in the country. It just is. And now you have the thanksgiving aspect to it. Oh, it's next level smoked Turkey legs. That's pretty. Man smoked Turkey legs are the bomb on football Saturday. I remember once a couple of the college guys talking about places to visit. They're like, oh my God. That groves incredible mother. They leave the room and joy Cowley. It looks at me. And he goes what he's I don't know if we'd like as much is it a racial thing is what do they do it? It's it's very middle aged white man thing to say the grove is the best. It's it's not. That's not true. I wouldn't let me say this. I don't think it's the best. I think Baton Rouge LSU game days the best because they're they're getting after like Tuesday. At night all a drink. You've got crawfish and Gumbo. And that's family. That's what I think is the best. I think the groves the most unique. Yeah. Because you're not in a parking lot outside of a stadium right in the middle of campus is beautiful. You got all these different tens and stuff set up. It's so it's it's just unique. And in this friendly, I don't know what Joey talking about is he ever been there. Now, he's just assuming. Taking up against somebody else is he's throwing in racial overtones. broS ruling alike. Are black people in the grove in Oxford. It's not nineteen forty eight a book of my trip coming up next. We have a Cowboys inside of breaking. Now, why Dallas is a to beat now the AFC east and baba. The our shame on me. We haven't gotten to this yet Eve's loves golf. We wanna talk tiger versus fell into it. How much money he paid for it? 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From now, also perhaps a special guest to discuss tiger. And Phil Dan limiters show presented by progressive insurance this year, resell rights, six years and over six hundred cars, come in a veterans giving thanks for providing independence for those who protect learn more a case to progress dot com. Great to welcome in Todd Archer ESPN NFL nation. Cowboys reporter as a Cowboys are take on the Redskins just about four hours from now. Todd, how did it go for the Cowboys appearing to be in such disarray for cowboy great Troy Aikman's criticizing them publicly? People are wondering about Jerry Jones again and his influence over this team to now they look like the team to beat in the NFC east. Yeah. It's amazing to think we're we're this team was after they lost the Tennessee on Monday night football three and five. I'm writing stuff about Jason GARRETT'S going to get fired Dak Prescott the future anymore as quarterback. And now, you know, they found themselves on the road where they were just lost the first four road games of the season losing all on the offense is able to do anything. I think a big part of it comes down to two things offensively because the defense has been strong pretty much the entire season. But two things on offense. Really the trade from Ari Cooper. He's his numbers are semi modest right? Fourteen catch one hundred sixty nine yards, but he's changed in the demeanor of the offense in terms of giving Prescott and outside threats that he didn't have the first seven weeks. And then the change it often some line coach promoting Marc Colombo they've gotten back to their old running game and that works so well twenty fourteen twenty sixteen and implemented that and we've seen Elliott go for more than a hundred yards and back to back games two hundred seventy three yards. So those two keys Cooper and the and the reignition I guess would be running game. He's really helped these guys speaking of the running game. Let me speak for cowboy fans for a second one of which I'm certainly not one but the running game was so affective a couple years ago. Why would they ever get away from it to the point that you'd have to actually make a change from a coaching standpoint or off it's of line to get back to it? I don't know if they got away from giving him the ball because he's still Elliott still ran the ball a lot. It's how they ran at the run that they went with and they brought in a new line coach Paul Alexander. And he kind of broad some new teaching new techniques that really didn't go very well with this group of guys they missed Travis Frederick there. They're all pro center, obviously, not gonna play down this season. But it's just taking them time to find that formula again and in terms of the successful running game leading to the play action. Helping Dak Prescott not have to do everything and allowing him to be more say a fishing than a guy that has to carry the show. It's just it makes you wonder why they weren't doing this because it has works. Oh, Well, I I hear you. But it's at least from their perspective they made it might away too long. At least they didn't wait till after the season to make the change through that included. The wind will shift once again Todd Archer ESPN NFL nation Cowboys reporter with Garcia. Jason Garrick is will go from. And he's to get fired to Nell. Actually, he's got them resurgent right now. What's he been liking dealing with who you seen any sign of pressure stressing Zion that it feels like it's getting him at all. Or is he maintained that same reserve and kind of laid back calm about him. Same reserved guy. They're they're nothing changes with him. At least when it comes to dealing with us. At least what we see on the outside. You know last week. They have a guy get an unnecessary roughness penalty on a on a punt gives a falcons fifteen yards needs patent a guy in the helmet. You want to be like, no, no, no you're supposed to grab the guy by the face masks and yell at him a little bit. But that's not his MO. And it never has been. And I think that calm demeanor. The try to focus on today, the whole process oriented stuff really shines through when it's when his team needs it most. In their actor lowest what they were after Tennessee. So he's kind of been a steady hand. But look they lose today. They lose to New Orleans next Thursday. We're going to be right in saying all the same things or you're saying after the Tennessee game. So two weeks can change either way right now everything's everybody's on top of the world two weeks from now we might be thinking about Lincoln Riley as its next teams Ed coach or some quarterback being the next quarterback this team. So there's a long way to go for this team before they can think they've actually arrived and made it and this point because it's one thing to talk about how well they've played the last couple of games white think that's going to continue to to improve going forward. But a lot of this is has to do with the teams in their division. And what those teams have not done or what's happened to those teams clearly with Washington losing Alex Smith and the eagles just not being who they're supposed to be in. The giants are the giants. So I wonder how much do you think that impact has had from a positive standpoint on the Cowboys when they look at their divisions. Like, yo all these other teams. Bugging out right now, we have the best thing going forward. And that's just adding to the way they're playing from Xs and os standpoint. Yeah. Absolutely. I think that if they were in another division where you know ticket team the chiefs the Rams the saints whatever they'd be fighting for a wildcard and wildcard only. Now, they even lose today. They're not added a division race. Now. They're effectively would be three games back of the Redskins because the Redskins would have swept him but going forward. I don't think anybody looked at anybody in this division and says, well, they're going to run away with it the way the Cowboys did in twenty sixteen impressed when they went thirteen and three so that gives them that gave them hope after the Tennessee game. And that gives them hope going into today's game that the division is still going to be there win or lose and attention. That Prescott is said look our backs is still against the wall. It's still the same minds that we had at Philadelphia at Atlanta. And so far the team behind it. Todd Archer ESPN NFL nation. Cowboys reporter appreciate the perspective at enjoy the game today man, you got a guy five thanksgiving. Happy thanksgiving. Did you in your? As well. Coming up next. We'll focus it on a huge rivalry. That's right. Not college football rivalry weekend. But tiger versus fill you amp for it. Or does it feel like it's Bassett's time? Adnan Virk, Michael Dale NPR show on ESPN radio. That's next. You know, those blink motion activated security cameras you hoped would go on sale. Just did is the blink black Friday cyber Monday sale with huge savings now through Monday. Blink cameras are motion activated when they detect someone snooping around you get an alert on your smartphone with an HD clip and blinks live feed option, let you monitor your home pets and package deliveries. Visit blinkprotect dot com slash radio. That's blinkprotect dot com slash radio or hit Amazon and search blink camera. Tar show on ESPN radio. Who is separate Heikal after out there, the Levato I it was Mike Ryan. And the boys is really having a good time. And they're always having a blast down there in Miami. We are in for the boys today. Mike leaves Adnan Virk. Dan Le Batard show on ESPN radio presented by progressive insurance. Guests on the Dan Le Batard show up here via the shell Pennzoil performance line. We're finished up strong here on thanksgiving Thursday in a happy thanksgiving to you, and yours hope you're enjoying a wonderful day with family and great food. Lots of football also golf on tap. Tiger versus fell before we bring in our special mystery guests I want to get Mike leaves thoughts on this. Because you are Mr. golf you love. I wanna know did you I even saw a promo. There's different packages. You can order on direct TV. Guess there's one for twenty nine ninety five of fourteen ninety five be paid for to be made plans. What's going on here? Well, fortunately for me. I'm going to be working here at ESPN getting ready for sportscenter. So I won't have to pay for it. Because my company pays for it. Beautiful. Right. So I was gonna watch. Anyway, especially when they set the price at something reasonable. Nineteen ninety nine hundred the base price is. Yeah, I would watch I would pay for that. I wouldn't go pay a hundred bucks for it. Right. But I will say this. And when it first started, it started press conferences, someone to fill. I'd love to play him for money. And then tiger shot back clapback. We'll play for whatever makes Phil uncomfortable. Like, yes, I'm into that. Because that would be like the modern day professional version of Caddyshack, and everyone loves that drama at the end, you're paying for a bunch of money and have to come out of your own pocket to pay your arch nemesis. I'm here for that. Once they're paying for money. That's not there isn't a big purse, and there will be some side action, which feels was kept trying to hype up the other day. They're already got two hundred thousand dollars bet on the first hole that money goes to charity. Cool. I just think if it was literally their own money. You'd have a much larger audience, but having said that Yama watch our special guest joins us now via the shell Pennzoil performance. I'm Michael Collins is we all over tiger versus fill. Of course. He does such a great job on our golf coverage. Always entertaining. Always funny, and he knows his stuff, Michael. How hype do you tiger versus Phil? See, right. Even knows ease knows me. Man. See here's my biggest problem from the beginning. When this thing started to to paint shape. Everyone was like, oh, this is going to be off the hook like Phil versus tiger mono mono Toda Toda going to be talking all kinds of smack go. And then it was like wait Dane playing for money. Would you mean named playing? Well, what did he playing for it? What are they blame? What it's going to hurt. And so like a couple of dues worth as much as they're worse now that they got this bromance kinda going on. It's like do. I really believe that they're going to say things that you really wouldn't hear on TV. Nah. I think Phil's going to job f-bomb. Nah. And then the thing that bothered me. The most is when they had the first press conference in like both them tried to stick to the same thing. Oh, we're doing this to grow. To game. No, you're not no some money. Grab don't tell me. Like if someone came to me from India and said, we're going to let you see the greatest cricket players ever on because I don't know anything about cricket. And I'd be like for real. That's what we're gonna do the day after thanksgiving. We'll bring in cricket to the world. Okay. Cool. But we want you to pay twenty dollars Bank kiss my butt. Trump of the I'm no I'm already too belligerent uncle that's been drinking too much thanksgiving. No. No. That's what this feels like they don't try and charade me. And tell me this is to grow the game. If you're gonna make people pay money to watch like, you don't you're not getting new fans at twenty bucks. A pop not twenty years after the fact like, yeah, I'm going to watch. And here's the kicker. I'm gonna have to pay for it at my mom's house, 'cause my mom does not have like I got the secret code, but see doesn't have a smart TV or satellite. So to code doesn't work. So I got paid for it. Anyway, and it just Johnny crazy. But you gotta watch to just write it off. And then have someone doing it spits report for you be fine. I didn't say I don't know about it knows guys. The resourcefulness of college that twenty dollars out drives me crazy because it's like, I'm no I'm somebody's getting a piece of that twenty dollars and their last names would Nicholson here is if you really want to matter to these two guys I'm said this from the beginning. Loser has to caddy for the winner of the par-three contest at the masters. Here. And here's the deal. So I don't wanna hear tiger all my back. No. It doesn't hurt your back to carry for club. Right. You can do that in a belt strap like Huckleberry Finn. I like that. I don't wanna hear about. That's what I'm saying. And you know, why? Because that's going to stay more than any amount of money. Now, then be amazing because you're adding humiliation to right? So that's what I think about this. If Phil or tiger is three down with five to play the way that this is working right now are they really going to grind like is that nine million gotta really matter to them. No. They don't care, but it's the thought of putting on that white jumpsuit with the word Mickelson on the back of it knowing that bill's going to send them Christmas cards next year at UNM or vice versa. Like tiger with that little grin on his face. And you spend in there knowing that he showing everybody you in Tiger Woods jumpsuit, like guess what they're gonna do. Not only are they going to grind. But they're now gonna talk real smack because that. It's going to hurt. And it's like I'm might say something that crosses the line cause I put on your jumpsuit that when you get the real inside the road stuff. But that's also why Mike I wanted them to play for their own money because that's narrow you laid out if you're three down with five to go in for the non golfers out there that means you're down three holes you'll have five holes left to play what you can do a press or multiple president press is basically a new bet. So let's say you're paying one hundred bucks a whole and you're down three with five to play. If you start a press right there. That's another bet for the same amount or you can double it. However, you want to do it. So now, you're really grinding. And now more money potentially is in the pot that you could lose where you also have a chance to break, even and that is the drama. That's what took us to the eighteenth hole on Caddyshack. Everybody waiting to see what would happen with Danny's. Putt. That's what we wonder from these dudes if they're just playing for somebody else's money. It's not the same thing about this. That ain't doing that twenty four seven a magic. Now, this is HBO so they can pull this off imagine tiger ghosts in his. And it's tiger goes to his Bank and takes out a million cash. No goes his Bank and takes out a million cash, and they both show up on the first t and both drop a bag of a million each now, they're playing for their own money. And we saw them go get it wasn't one of their people. It wasn't a manager that we don't know really where the money came like they went from their account and back on money out. They guess with watching everyone everybody does. Because now, you know, there's a story out there. A lot of people don't know one of the things that kind of. Built this rivalry way. Back in the day where they didn't like each other. It happened early in Tigers career when he first came out onto the PGA tour tiger and Phil played a practice round together. And they played for cash tiger loss and had to peel off of see a couple not it wasn't a lot of money, but tiger had to peel off a couple of Chris brand new one hundred dollar bills to Phil Mickelson. And what is still do being the smart hour that he is the next week that they're at the same event. Phil photocopies the hundreds and then takes the photocopied picture could Tigers locker and says, they're happy in their new home. They never played another practice round together again until we saw him at Bridgestone last year because it burned Tigers behind that bad stories targeted and try to go back and get his money though. No because that's not how we rose. That's not how he rose. It's like if you there are infamous stories of people playing other games other than basketball. Ball with Michael Jordan, and he talks smack to you because he's gonna normally win. But if you talk smack him, and you beat him he'll never play with you again. 'cause there's kind of like you're not used to when you're at a certain level. You're not used to somebody needling you, and then you losing like that's a hard thing for some people to take. If you've never if you're like, if you're a billionaire, you're not using somebody telling you to shut up true, right? Like if you run a company and somebody says, you sit down and shut up it's going to throw you off for a second. You're going to like who do you like I talked to people like that? You don't talk to me like that. I'm gonna tell you one more time sit down shut up, and they're gonna look at you like, oh like some not. It's I don't understand. They look concealed. They look not saying that big athletes like that. If you tell big athletes sit down shut up, I'm taking your money like the next time. You see them? They're not gonna act around. You may want to go. Get a burger, Nah, I got on the do we lend vantage doodo, hang me. No more. We have one live one minute left. Michael lets you said back in the mosty was genuine real. Now. They're friends is a friend who quotations they genuinely like each other's. There's still little bit enmity, especially when one guy's gonna lose. No. They I think they generally like each other. They understand now that they're like, they're not the grandfathers. But they're like, they're the keepers of what was so they know all the young bucks. Now look to them as like the guy and this started a couple years ago after a winning the Ryder Cup. I think it was at as in Kentucky when we are by Hala when we won the Ryder Cup of our Hala. This is when the bromance started, and it was like after a bunch of drinks in team room. It was like man, I dunno while we got act the way, let's we got this man, we should be doing things together. And they both kind of use that time to go. You know, what let's do what's best for golf, and they know the two of them together are make golf even stronger. True that I could ask you one question before we go. I wanna have thanksgiving with somebody who's trying to go carb free. I'm just saying how how many pounds of Turkey. Do you think you'll consume today? I won't be pound. Because there's ham to yo own though is like, yeah, we got him Turkey. And I've there might be duck so duck now come Carlo your hasn't been you. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. So there's two different kinds of stuff in and Turkey and whatnot. Let me just put it this way. I'm scheduled to fly home to Florida on Saturday 'cause I gotta fly to the Bahamas Sunday for Tigers tournament. Nobody cares where you're going stop. It's not something. Nobody mad could just because you know, him be on the beach next week goes alert Senate that'll be mad. I got sweatpants for the next two days. And I'm already a fat guy. I scared on that note mica, call us. Thanks so much. Appreciate you. Happy. Thanksgiving to everyone out there be saved this weekend and have a great weekend. Miss closing thoughts here from the Dan Le Batard show coming up next, including one athlete who is very much down on thanksgiving. Adnan Virk Michalis. It's next on the Dan lebatardshow as envoy Gavin loved playing football. He lived in briefed wanted to go pro when he'd spent hours upon hours just to see his touchdown dances at one day. Well, getting fitted for bifocals, he realized he was never much good at throwing or running or catching nor even kicking. Yeah. Gavin's chances of playing pro football were looking like fourth and long very long, but he did hear how Danko could save money on car insurance. So he switched and save them. Then he did kind of a touchdown debts. At least he was still good at that did tar show on ESPN radio. Breaking on through the other side, an out Dunkin and Dari noca- in on the Dan laboratory show tomatoes. They've never met each other never worked together. That's gonna be awesome. Michael iverson. Adnan Virk finished up strong here. One person not happy about thanksgiving. Kyrie Irving after being wished to happy thanksgiving. My report a fund the Celtics lost the next by the what's up with the Celtics five hundred record right now. Irving retorted doesn't celebrate the holiday before saying f thanksgiving he today, he tweeted he used the words it should be used in professional setting. He meant no disrespect to the holiday and those who celebrate at respectfully his mother was a descendant of the standing rock Sioux tribe told embassy sports, Boston his issues of the holiday stem from his native American heritage understandable. If you are of that heritage while you would look at us at this holiday, a certain way, I think we're sort of beyond oftentimes something there's a reason something originates, and then it becomes something else. Lucien correct. And I think we're not necessarily celebrating thanksgiving because of what happened with the pilgrims. And the native Americans back in the sixteen hundreds whatever we're doing it more as a sign of thanks for our family and friends what we have at the end of the year kind of thing before we get to Christmas. So right. I know what he's saying from historical standpoint, not technically while we celebrate today. Right. Gratitude is the theme. Yes. Before we get to Cima clapback a second one other story did want to get your take on atrium Peterson. Sometimes still use a belt on his son. I I saw that short. I said, are you kidding? He told bleach report he the discipline. My son is spike in the other day with a belt. This is notable in case to jog your memory. He was suspended by the NFL two twenty fourteen after being charged with felony child abuse for using a switch to spank his then for your old, son. He also says he disciplines his kids in other ways have them do wall. Squats have them sit in time out or taking their electrons last dry do as well taking time out fine. But hitting with the belt. I mean, what I I shouldn't be surprised. He's still does most surprised he admitted it was such candor. We'll see if we can have a whole hour on this particular subject, and you're going to get different answers based on a. Moore you were were you grew up where you were raised. And how old you are. Okay. It's a generational thing. But it's also a cultural thing. Yeah. I'm old enough and was born in the south where that was commonplace. I was disciplined with belts. Which is like my mom would make me go get my own switch. So you had the physical pain, and then the mental anguish of going to get something to beat your own with right? Just think about that. Right. But I never felt like I was abused. Right. Nice being abused thing. But people believe the manner in which you discipline as automatic abuse. Some people believe that my mother clearly didn't believe that. My mother was a social worker. Okay. But my mother was a social worker she did with people who are actually being abused. But she's using things to discipline me that other people could see it as that way. But she saw differently. I saw it differently. Now, I don't have kids right now. What I do that. I don't think I would. But I can't say for certain I really can't just because of my cultural upbringing, but the thing that got me about the story. Is that? All right, fine. That's who he is. It's what he believes. And that's what he's continues to do. But then the agent comes out and try to put it on the reporter saying that he he used his trust in in a deceitful way. No. He didn't know he didn't. He asked a question and Adrian Peterson answered it if he didn't want to go there, all you had to say was you know, what I'm not going to go there for the age of the comeback and try to take a little pressure off of a the situation. No, he's a grown man who can answer a question. He did. And that's just how he feels any repercussions beyond this. You think the Redskins talked agent Peterson dizzy NFL say there is this just a story go. Wow. Okay. Well, I think they let it slide and we're into thanksgiving holiday and all people probably would pay that much attention to it. You kind of let it slide. Look, Einstein what people trip on that. I really do. But also group in school where we had paddling in school. I had one in high school. I got a paddling in highschool. That's crazy. Right. And this was night time and place. I might see racy nine. I gotta peddling as a junior in high school, man. Right. That's intense. But again. It's it's cultural. It's generational is it happening today. No. But sometimes I'm in these stores. I'm like man, somebody needs to be della boys at but. He's a little boy just clamoring for full punish. All right. Give us some clapback in the way, we got a minute left. Okay. I'm gonna give you to relieve him with this aunt, are you dating yet me are you married yet? Geez. And less aunt because in reason, usually they start with aunts. Because those are the ones usually go say some stuff kind of pop off a little bit auntie is that your second plate me is that your second husband. And those are thanksgiving clapback for twenty eighteen we'll hashtag thanksgiving clapback right now on Twitter. It's going off. We'll send us off to God's got those in the weekend up surveys. If you have any juice around here too white women that's got to be on a week enough to play overtime where two white women. That's the question. All of us are asking him with conviction. You have to play the game. Seriously, come on. I'm looking into white women that thank you. 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James Andrew Miller on the Adnan Virk firing

Sports Media with Richard Deitsch

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James Andrew Miller on the Adnan Virk firing

"Everybody. This is Richard. I'm welcome. The sports media podcast producers always Pellegrino two segments this week. But I think you really gonna find that interesting. I up this James Andrew Miller, the best selling author of books on ESPN, Saturday Night, Live and CA and someone who is chronicled ESPN for more than a decade. Now, we go pretty deep on the firing bad NAN Virk and as you'll see from from Jim. Miller's passion and fire on this podcast to say he to say that he believes this is a over punishment would be quite the understatement. So we get into that. And I think you're gonna find that really really really interesting after that is Chad fan of the Boston Globe and AJ Peres of USA today. Both of those guys cover media, and we talk about the Super Bowl viewership ninety eight point two million linear television, super super low, and we get into the reasons as to why we think that happened and all. Both of those guys also give their opinion on what went down with Adnan Virk, so Jamila for about forty minutes or so and followed by Chad Finn and AJ Peres coming up on the sports media podcast. My guess this week is a familiar one. It is bestselling author and writer James, Andrew Miller. He is the author of many books that people are familiar with on this podcast, while the oral history of Senate live CAA ESPN, of course, and he is the host of the Argentines podcast. And there is a new Arjun podcast next month. Check that out on cadence thirteen apple podcast, etc. Jamila welcome back to the podcast. Thanks for having me. All right. So we're going to be we're going to do this entire entire podcast on Adnan Virk and ESPN's decision. Earlier this week, or I guess I should say yes PS decision last week is we're taping this to fire. Adnan Virk for what they termed as as leaking as providing proprietary information to a reporter credit, Andrew Martian of the New York Post for breaking the story of the firing. And then getting the details of what happened check that story out a think fair to say, I'm Jim Nile sort of expand on it. But the the main facts in in Andrew story are certainly correct. But but of gives an brings up a lot of a lot of an interesting places to go to especially for a place that has made its bones and made its money and made its fame on sources providing information to them, and that is ESPN. Our Jim I want to start at the beginning. And that is let's just sort of go generalize. What was your reaction to and and Virk being fired? And and how do you look at that situation while it made me carsick, and I think you know, the truth is that. We all know that. There are every day. There are a lot of conversations that happened between employees of ESPN executives producers talent, otherwise on background with creatures like us. We also know that this is a guy who would work there for nine years. He bled ESPN. He's got four young boys. He's got a moral compass, despite the fact that some people now are saying, otherwise, and here's the other thing too. Which is how the fuck did that get leat? So we're talking about a situation where somebody is fired fired not suspended fired for being on background, which basically is confirming something, and we'll get into that later, and then somebody from inside ESPN leaks to the press. And so it's not even like this guy. This lowly employee doesn't even get the I get the get the graceful exit of, you know, the all of a sudden there was some irreconcilable differences or they've agreed to. Partways or whatever. No, no, no, no, somebody inside has to in the most pernicious by two predictive, amoral way, take this guy's professional career and put a bullet hole through it. And so I did the other day. I said can we find out is there an internal investigation about who leaked it? I mean, there was an investigation about what Mr. Virk said. But where's the investigation about who leaked it? I mean, the Andrews good reporter. And you know, he was doing what he was supposed to do and it was newsworthy. And he broke her story. But he wasn't in the room. When I didn't got fired somebody from ESPN called him. Okay. That's the only way you find that out. And so I'm just I think it's a it's beyond ironic that were not listening, and we're not hearing about an investigation about who leak. And who leaked it in a really destructive way. All right. So couple of things they're not gonna source guests on and sources logic with state that certainly there has to be any SPN person somewhere in there at the same time. You know, there's a million people could've found out. Richard. I don't people remember something not not a million people. I'm overstating what I'm saying. Is when you start source guessing, you know, you know, this from someone who's had a lot of sources, not always correct? There's not a big pool. It's not. The people that know on that Friday that I mean, you know, maybe it's worth us doing a time line here because there's not a lot of people that know on that Friday that he had just been fired. Agreed. All right. So let's you know, that you have a time line here. And I'll you know, I'll sort of eventually give my thoughts on this. But the timely, you know, so let's sort of take take at least from what you know. And obviously again people I certainly referred to people to Tanja more Shan story. Take us through your own time line, Jim of what you understand. And obviously you have since talked to a lot of people at ESPN about this. So let's just say that you're an ESPN employees for nine years and on a Monday reporter calls you and says an ask you a question about something. And you. Say well, I think I think it's I think it's going to stay the same. I think I think the show is going to be on once a week is from what I heard and reporter says really I thought there might be more. I think I think that you know, it's going to be once a week. Anyway, Don, Tuesday, Major league baseball and people at ESPN are the next day people are pissed that there's an article that says that the show's only going to be once a week, by the way, confirming that the status quo owner sense because the show had already been it's not like breathtaking news like it's being reduced. It already been reduced. And and so that's on Tuesday, people are pissed and whatever and on Wednesday you're called in. And they ask you for your phone now, this is the phone that you do all your business on and yes, it's a company phone. Absolutely. I totally get it. But it's also the phone that it's the only phone you have it's the. Phone that you have pictures of your family pictures of your children, yada, yada, yada. And most importantly like ninety percent of the people at ESPN the phone is the vehicle for making decisions getting back to people answering emails confirming this scheduling, podcast, whatever. So you say, you know, what I I can't do it. I this is my phone. I got some personal stuff on there. And plus I can't be without my phone. And then the next day, they call you and they say a good news got a replacement phone. So we need your other phone. Okay. So get every placement phone and unfunny at eleven thirty in the morning via speakerphone, you're fired you're fired in squirted out of the building. So there's no there's no warning. There's no opportunity to say look this is what we found in the investigation. You know, why why did you do this? And do you understand why this is violation of company policy, and as a result, you know, what we're going to have to suspend you for two weeks or four weeks or whatever. You know, your escort out of the building nine years for young boys. And then to like really add insult then it's leaked. So you're like, you're just you're sitting there, and your professional life is come to this ridiculous grinding all and all of a sudden now it's like the whole world knows you've been fired. I mean, what kind of so let's sort of the devils. Louis, Louis culture. I don't know. What is and by the way, the other thing is, and then I'll shut up, but the other thing is you, and I have talked about many times during the year during the years, and I. You know, so many examples both in the book, and since then for the notes for whatever comes next, but my only point is one of the things that has been somewhat deleterious to ESPN's image through the years is that there is a real gray area and a lot of subjectivity and a lot of discomfort with the way that quote, unquote, Justice is distributed throughout ESPN. Absolutely. And so all of a sudden somebody gets fired because they were having an affair. But wait a second. There's like twenty other affairs going on. Wait a second. Somebody just said this about the president. And somebody tweeted this about this. Oh, they're not gonna get suspended. Wait, hold on somebody else. Tweets one thing. And they're suspended without pay. I mean there I, you know, there are literally hundreds examples, including, you know, a couple of the Bill Simmons gems that were bizarre in terms of how they decided to punish them completely out of the realm of objectively in terms of compared to what other people had gotten. And it's just it's just really strange. But in this case, there's some real personal destruction attached to it and. I I didn't mean I didn't mean you're up. There's a couple of things I wanna ask you first of all, you are absolutely correct. In that. And I've said this before the only consistency when it comes to ESPN discipline is inconsistency. We've seen this now for a decade, plus. NFL reporters take Goodell and often rightfully so to the woodshed for the arbitrary punishments, and the, you know this, but this one got this, and this got this and this one that got this, and I was like thinking. Yeah. You it's a good thing. You're covering the NFL like that. But boy, oh, boy those of us who cover ESPN, we feel the same way. Well, set agreed on that. Okay. So let me sort of where should I start with this? Okay. How much from what I understand? And maybe you have. And again, let me preface by saying I I like Adnan Virk. I think he's a quality guy. And so while the facts of this war main, I think between Jim and I as accurate as we can I'm not gonna lie to the audience. I tend to side with people who are decent people. And obviously in my position, there's a larger sort of issue in that everybody sort of provides, background information, etc. So you sort of know that that said, Jim one of the things that I think I feel comfortable saying is that the information while it really, I think if you look at it on face is pretty benign. I mean, we're not talking like, this isn't this isn't the Pentagon papers. I mean, you know, it's pretty benign information sort of what got put. Out there. And I think it I think it's fair to say it caused a little bit attention or promise between MLB and ESPN. I don't know for a fact that someone from MLB called the SPN. But I think that's a I think that is fair. Surmise or synopsis by me, have you heard anything on that that the high levels of the SPN that that information getting out there at least caused a little bit of a rankle for major league baseball. Which is obviously right told a partner with the SPN have. Okay. So this is through four different sources that MLB did not call ESPN and ask for him to be fired or suggested he'd be fired. In fact. At least according to one person. There was no direct communication on that issue. But it was clear that also on Tuesday after report came out that MLB was not happy about the fact that that you know, that that information was out there. But again beyond benign, I mean, it's and so I know what people say, well that doesn't matter. He violated company policy violated company Pasi. So it doesn't matter whether it's benign or the Pentagon papers. But you know, what I don't think. That's I think you have to do contemptuously. I mean, look, we we both know and respect Djamil. But she tweeted what she did about the president. And she wasn't even suspended. So I think, you know, I mean, you know, again, just many one of many different examples, you know, where it's like, wait a second. But you could also take it not from humanistic point of view because a lot of times people say, well, you don't understand the business per priorities behind this. And. Company company, initiatives and company policies. I'm going to say this Disney shareholders should be pissed at this. Because Virk was a good, ESPN employees. He was valuable ESPN employees. It was good that they had them and FOX and other places didn't he understands and loves the sport, he understands and loves the company and more importantly, what this is doing from a defacto branding of the ESPN culture is incredibly harmful to ESPN. It is at some point. There's going to be somebody who is is talking to for an on air assignment. Or maybe even production job and they're going to in the back of their minds. They're going to say, you know, what no matter what I do if I mess up one day, and I and I'm not really trying to mess up. And I'm not trying to screw somebody. I'm not leaking somebody's salary. Not leaking some private information. If I just literally talking and by the way, trying to say, listen we. I love baseball tonight. It's just going to be on once a week. But we still love it. We're still committed to the show. Whatever no matter. What no matter of fact, I'm their nine years. I'm out of the fact, I have four young boys. If I have no children, or whatever this company is going to delete hit the delete key on me. No matter what that's the margin of error that this culture that the ESPN culture has decided that they want to create and that's a message to all the employees. Okay. There is no margin for error, except that guess what? I don't know. If you wanna look at your phone right now about texts you have from people at ESPN or I could look at my phone. But you know, what there isn't that isn't really the case either because it's not the proverbial level Plainfield because everybody knows that there are people at ESPN on all different ranks in all different kinds of jobs who are talking on background every single fucking day. And you know, what to like literally? And it's like somebody said from PR. Well, he if you're going to talk to the press it has to be in concert with the communique. Department. Are they smoking crack I seriously that's a joke. That's a joke. I mean because ninety I mean, I don't know maybe ninety percent of my dealings with people. It's not in concert with the communications department, no offense against Chris lip Laka and his dedicated army of fifty or sixty individuals. That's just an Chris is going to be the first one to admit that because he knows the places really big. And it's unwieldy, and you can't control that. And the question becomes whether or not people are gonna get on the phone and talk about things that are incredibly difficult and detrimental to the organization or whether or not they're just trying to help us understand more about what is going on and help journalists get it, right? You know, this isn't about like, oh, I just love leakers or something. It's not half the time. Isn't you know, that more than half the time? It's not about leaking a big story. That's gonna get headline. It's like giving some context context and perspective to make sure. That people like you and myself and others understand what's really going on and those conversations are immense importance, and quite frankly, ESPN should be glad that there are people out there who understand savvy enough to deal with the press and to understand that they need to provide some context and perspective on things. So people like us don't write things that are wrong. Alike. This far Jamila this is this is excellent. So here's a couple of things. Here's a couple of thoughts for me. What what in my opinion, it's a massive over punishment over punishment, given what the the four weeks without trench Justice chore weeks. So that so that's where I'm sort of Haning. I mean, this this really feels like given Virk is a dedicated employees. Absolutely one of the biggest flag-wavers free SPN beloved the inside of the SPN considered great colleague, someone thoughtful someone who helps others particularly younger people. If you want the optics of it your highest profile, Muslim sports anchor in the country and someone very passionate about his his religion and beliefs as a guy who's really adds a lot. He adds a lot to your company. So I'm with you suspension seems logical. Now, here's devil's advocate congress, and I wanna get your take on this. If you. Read more Shans piece. And I think since both of us have talked to people at ESPN, and they have certainly background reports left and right on this. The idea is that beyond the infraction. It was the. The initial not being one truthful and then to cooperative with how they would term their investigation. So how do you read that in terms of? Okay. Maybe maybe it would have been a different kind of punishment. But in this case Adleman in their opinion was not was not forthcoming when the initial questions from wherever from HR for management came. I totally get it. I'm not condoning that at all. But let's again, create some perspective some context at least. So I can argue the difference between suspension and firing you talk to reporter. And by the way, I'm not criticizing Ben coup on this at all. But you try and give them some understanding of what you may know. And if that reported, then all of a sudden goes to. Management or the communications department right away and ask the follow up question. Or like say does something based on that knowledge. It's all of a sudden a very small pool where that information came from and which makes it very difficult. And you're like, I would imagine like a deer and headlights because all of a sudden, you're thrust in the spotlight and the focus is on on you. And you know, I think that look I'm not saying show lied on. That was stupid of him to use his company phone. It was stupid of him to you know, to say anything, but the truth at every single point. But again, this is where judgement, and empathy, and you know, culture should come in. Which is you realize that the guy who's never been in trouble for nine years is all of a sudden like sitting there, and it's like, you know, it's like dragnet, you know, all of a sudden gives us your phone, and where were you doing odor? And boy are we and all this. And it's like, you know, what anybody who's not being sympathetic to him. Right now at this moment. Maybe you know, you wanna put yourself in issues for a moment. And I think what happened I can't speak for him. But I think what happened was he got scared shitless. He didn't wanna give up his phone, particularly with personal pictures on it. But in by the way, no to file keep two phones, keep all your personal stuff on your own phone. And if you are going gonna talk to report on background, of course, do it on your personal phone, but yada, yada, yada. That was the situation he was in and so he flipped out. But you know, what when they called them the next morning on Thursday and said, we got a replacement front for you. You know, what there was at least this is my understanding. I can't say that this is, you know, whatever. But my only point is I think he rebounded nicely. And here's the other thing too. Once again, I will tell you that we could produce I could produce a new number of stories within the ESPN ecosystem over the past years. Where people were contacted by HR or contacted by somebody else, according producer or an executive or something, and they said something, and it later turned out that data shove some toothpaste back in the tube. And put a lot of spin on it and kind of basically change their narrative. So, you know, I'm sorry. But if you're management, you're just saying to yourself, you know, what? Yeah. He clearly he clearly wasn't being forthcoming. So that's why. And by the way, the fact that he wasn't forthcoming is also reason why I would say without pay because let's face it. There's been a lot of suspensions people hear the word suspension, and they think with pay there are in, you know, from Tony Kornheiser and Bill Simmons, and many many others there a lot of nuances to these punishments. And sometimes we think suspension is with pay sometimes without but the fact that he wasn't forthcoming from the beginning. I think is the reason why it should be without pay. No, I think that's fair. And by the way, the Max Brito suspension, the worst of all I would argue the worst example of the suspension that should not have happened today. Jim as we're taping. This and I intentionally this is this was sort of very clearly to ask a question into the into the into the ecosystem regarding Adnan Virk. I took a screen shot of ESPN's homepage. And at the moment there are three stories on that homepage in the top headlines box which are sources colon. Okay. So three of their biggest stories of the moment when I tweeted it were sourced to ESPN reporters, and they published the story. So so I asked it would be interesting Ascii SPN senior management if the sources talking ESPN reporters here should be terminated. And I get that. Maybe I tweeted that the other day and the laurel. Yeah. The larger point is that like it is. And this is where it's very very frustrating for me at an organization that has made its bones and made millions on people sourcing their top reporters towards your Naski. Zach Lowe's, the Jeff passan's in the wicker Shans and van Natta 's and they're not a guy named Adam. Yeah. And schefter. Right. Should there? Not be at least a little bit in the Jimmy Petar ranks, you know, in the at the highest levels of the company should there. Not be at least a little bit of a step back and realize, okay? We don't like the fact that in Burke this stuff up we don't like the fact he's been talking to media reporters, but every single day our company does this with high profile sports people? And that's I think to me what was frustrating that you would think an organization that does this every day would be an organization that would at least be a little easier. Thoughtful or overarching before they terminated this guy. Well, you're preaching to the choir. That's why tweeted at the other day. I mean truth is, you know, the NBA the NFL they should start firing people who talked to these people on background because they're violating company policy. I mean that would be crazy. It's just ridiculous. There's the NBA is going to be the NBA is going to fold if that happens. It's just it's dick. Part of the reason why the NBA became an eleventh month sport, which was a great triumph for it is because they were able to be so relevant. So prominent in the off season, and it's not just people interested in trades. They did a great job as a league of disseminate information keeping interest up, and they did it with the help of reporters who you know, many many times. I mean, it's not like Adam silver goes out. And does a nine thirty on the record briefing every day. I mean, this is really sophisticated good stuff. And so listen, this is why I mean, look, I know climbing Everest on a cold day in my shorts. But I just I really hope that issues like this and aspects of this ordeal are such that Jimmy Petar sits down things about this in the light of day. Because I do think there's the Sarda used a cliche, but I think. There was a unbelievable rush to judgment. And I think that he should I think they should change it to, you know, look, I don't want to be head of HR, and and and give the punishment. But I think a whatever week or however long suspension without pay instead of firing and I think that they can shove toothpaste back in the tube. And I think they can make this better again because if they don't and if they really wanna stand by this firing then they need to do two things. They literally need to an ounce an aggressive transparent internal investigation as to who leaked Adams firing Adnan's fire, and they also need then to come up with some sort of twisted twisted. Take on why background conversations are no longer are. Okay. When ESPN is doing it with another organization, but it's not okay for ESPN employees to do it with other organizations, and they need then to literally say to all. All their talent and their executives. You're not allowed to do that anymore. Jim do you? I mean, maybe not percentage. But I mean how realistic is it for ESPN two. And really we're talking about Jimmy Petar at the end of the day. How realistic would it be for Jimmy taro week later to be like, you know, what may have overcharged? We're going to we're going to see if we can bring him back. I just wonder at this point shar list. I think it's fantastic. What what could be better than somebody really upon the light of day with further reflection and really understanding a little bit more of it conceptually saying, listen, we are adamant about our company policy people should not violate our company policy. And they better understand that this is not as going easy on that. But we are doing is. We're trying to take, you know, the full understanding of all the facts and. And our culture into account. And so in the light of day, we think we may have acted little too precipitously. And we are now going to change it that that that is. I mean, I'm being totally realistic. Because I think it's a great thing for an organization to do. And by the way, you probably have an employee there probably would never leak again. I want to ask you regarding Petar because you are someone who knows him has reported on him you've written about Disney and Petar owes relationships with bother Agar excetera. And again, I don't wanna sorta play, you know, x files conspiracy here that said how much do you think this decision was made not necessarily just with that? And Burke in mind, but as a larger message to the entire company to say, if you do this we're going to give you the death penalty and so ad and serving here as sort of a symbolic thing for Petar. Oh and company to let people know do not leak these things always plan to levels, right? Because you want to you want to say the they did this. And so as a result, they deserve to punishment. But you also want to send a signal to everyone else saying, listen, if you're even thinking about doing this, look what happens, but the whole point is though that other so many other people are still doing it. And the literally the cure is worse than the disease this guy screwed up, but you know, firing is just wait at abound. So I. Think that Jimmy has every right as president of ESPN to send a message to all the employees to say that this this kind of behavior is not going to be condoned, and we will punish you. But at some there's that's the whole reason why it's not binary. That's the reason why there is a whole Schwarz's board of ways in which they can deal with a matter like this. And by the way, it's a smorgasbord that has been used before. I mean, how many people were calling for this wanna be fired after this happened in this out to be? I mean, it's not like, you know, if you do one thing everybody gets fired. It's it's ridiculous. I mean, this is all bespoke, and it has to be spoken this situation. Do you? From from the at least the last couple of days in terms of the people that you've talked to ESPN, and and those who I'm sure reached out to after they saw the the Virk news. You think there's going to be any kind of chilling of the SPN ESPN is talking. I can tell you based on my anecdotal over the last couple of days. No chance. No. Are you cool Vince McMahon? But but I am curious on your end. Are you kidding? No in a word. No. In fact, in the two days afterwards, just the opposite. Because more people were calling say listen on background or off the record. This is totally fucked. I mean, oh, no, no, no, no. So can you appreciate the irony of if you were trying to chill leaking? You've you've not accomplish that at all. This is like that old saying bad food and small portions. I mean, there's just this is this is ironic paradoxical you name it. But you know, I think that look if they hadn't leaked that. He was fired if they just suspended him, and, you know, suspended with it is just in the normal course of a big company with over five thousand employees, you know, shit happens and people misbehave and things like this happen, and then you deal with it. But this one hit the third rail because it is so pernicious it is so drastic. And you know, what it's so destructive to a really good person's career and their family. All right. So let's take let's take your temperature here of what potentially could be next for Adnan. If ESPN doesn't bring him back if you're his CAA representatives. I mean to me what you do is. You're obviously transparent would whatever potential employers interested in looking to talk to you. But how would you approach? How would you approach it with the FOX's with his own 's with MLB network with again, if he doesn't get back to USPS whoever might be interested in in Virk. I would say two things one is first of all the work speaks for itself because it is a good body of work. He's a solid solid piece of talent. And for nine years. He's been a loyal employee. And then I think the second thing is was an let's have a face to face meeting and your face to face meeting, and you see on this guy's face. His regret his commitment to being, you know, a more than model employee for the next fifty years and also and you realize, hey, you know, what I'm not gonna have any bronze this guy because he's learned his lesson. But the work, you know, I think see needs to just remind people that the work speaks for itself and. That he's learned his lesson. And and then just I mean, I I would hope that there would be people if he SPN doesn't reverse it self and again, call me naive. I'm still trying to somehow hope that rational fairness prevails, by the way, they should they should reverse the firing just because they leaked it. I swear to God silliest might sound. The fact that they leak that he was fired and really really damaged his career. I think they should reverse it to a suspension even just based on that. Because that is so that was so screwed up. But I really think that I hope that there will be other places for him. And by the way, I should have said this allows journalists 'cause I buried the lead. I'm not friends with this guy. I've never had a meal with them. I mean, this is just about the this is just literally about humanity. This is about what kind of culture this place. This is about. You know, making sure that the real problem is the ruthless son of a bitch who leaked this firing. That's the real problem. That's the real problem at the company right now. And that's the one thing that we're not hearing about. For transparency sake. I don't socialize with that. And virk. He has to my podcast is people know many times, and I like him very much. He's just he's an affable guy. He's a great guy to talk to. And again, if I'm going to be transparent. My my inclination would be to sort of, you know, support him here, not necessarily supporting the act per se, but supporting a and just punishment for what is I think a pretty benign thing that happens every single day ESPN by by the way, including some of the people who were probably the punishment makers in this instance. Yes, I think that there's a fair transit. That's true. Look, I want to repeat myself. But I do think as headline on this. You can make a case on personal terms because he's been so loyal, and because he's got this found young family, and because he's got, but I think you can make a case. I said on corporate terms because this is not this is not good for the company last one for me. And it's a very tough one. I'm not I'm not sure I have the answer myself. If the reporting is correct and Andrew marshes reporting is correct. And that it is indeed off on the story that this sort of is all about is the awful announcing piece that Ben coup wrote. I don't know if you know ban. But I like Ben very much guy. Do you think off is there anything awful announcing can or should do here? I mean, Jim as a general rule in journalism. You never admit who your sources are. You don't write about your sources left writer in different in this case. Is there anything you think they do either? I guess if Virk is indeed the source. Virk says you can write about this, and sort of everything that took place. I guess you want your source gives up. Sort of that anonymity. You can go. But otherwise, I'm not sure if your awful announcing you just do you don't do anything sept- just read all the stuff in watch it play around play out around you. I don't know Ben coup. But I I know I think I've spoken to him a couple of times, and I know him to be somebody who really cares about his work and works off and tries to do a really good job of reporting on you know, on ESPN and other places. So I don't think that I certainly would navigate. Him or off on outsing doing any kind of mea culpa in terms of we, you know, this was our source, and we they that's absolutely, you know, I don't think that's necessary at all. In fact, I would hope that they wouldn't do that, you know. So and by the way, saying with Andrew I mean, he shouldn't as much as Marcia Marcia never gonna give that up on. That's nor shooting nor nor nowhere in any of us. I mean, you know, you. You that's sort of just it's sacrosanct. You don't you know, you go to the wall on that? You don't give that up. It is just an interesting journalistic place to be when people writing about a story that you did. And you can't say anything. But in in coups, Casey, should not say anything should never confirm or deny or what we're not tonight. But Kennedy never confirm anything on that. Is there anything else Jim that you want to discuss about this you've been you've you've you've been very passionate today? And I pray that I'm sure you will hear from certainly ESPN PR department about this podcast. But I like you. I think we me and you are in are in agreement here. It's it's an overcharge for sure. And I think I'm a little less naive than you. I don't see PIN bringing him back. I think it would be a first of all interestingly enough PR was I think it would be a great piece of PR. But I don't think they're going to. I don't see them doing it. I see them. Tting bait. And then I see them, you know, maybe quietly settling eventually for less money than what Adin is owed over the next year. Plus, I would only wrong, but I don't think so I will be I I would say my only I would be that if I was sitting here with Jimmy right now, I would say there's nothing wrong with reconsidering position. And it's not because it's a good PR move. And it's not because maybe you feel sorry because somebody has four boys. Although I mentioned that only because you know, it's a family. They so many times ESPN talks about, you know, much they put it they put it in the Easter that we're family, and that we want our employees to feel like family. Well, here's a real guy who has four young kids. That's a family, right? And I and somebody told me that they well, it doesn't matter. My only point is that I think that reconsidering position like this show strength. And it shows moral clarity. And it shows the idea that sometimes decisions maybe get made too quickly. And so I, you know, I would I would urge I would urge to do that. And I would also urge him to really really find out who leaked that. All right. Jim is or anything else? You wanna talk about do? You wanna talk about the Frye festival documentary or the Sixers trade that happened yesterday or we're good on the talented. Sixers got a solid for for a couple of years. They're actually I liked as someone who someone who wants the raptors should do. Well, I do think sorry. I'm an eagles fan. But I do think that the Super Bowl was. A bit disappointing. So I think we get to keep the title for another year. Sorry pats. How did you? I know you're an eagles fan. But how did that come about? Are you are you know, you live in Pennsylvania? But have you had did you? Did you grow up there? What's the eagles connection? Oh, okay. So that makes sense. So do you go back to go back to the drawer ski or eagles or is your phantom more current? It's consistent. Yes. Jaws was around. Yes. Absolutely. All right early and often. All right. Jim Miller is the best selling author of multiple books as you know. He's also the host of the Arjun podcast. They'll be new one coming out next month. These are all very top secret. He doesn't want to give up whatever the topic is. So you have to check that out next month. And and I always appreciate his time particularly on this one because I. Very few people. I think you could provide really interesting top down as well as bottom up insight on this. Adnan Virk situation was certainly wish the best rat number will see we'll see how that goes Jamila. Thank you very much today for coming on these sports media podcast. I appreciate it. And I know we will talk soon. Thanks for having me already are my thanks to Jamila for really interesting conversation about Adnan Virk, and we bring in Chad Finn. The sports media reporter and writer and columnist for the Boston Globe. AJ Peres a Steph writer for USA today as well as an investigative reporter both of these guys have been on this podcast before Chattan AJ. Welcome back to the sports media podcast. Chatham start with you the viewership number for CBS of the Super Bowl was was pretty stunningly low doesn't serve no way around it ninety eight point two million in terms of the television. Only broadcast. It goes up over a hundred million when you add in the streaming, and and some other stuff, what did you make this viewership number chat? What were your? I don't know if you have any sort of ideas as to why it happened, but is a very big drop. Yeah. I were surprised. I mean, spooky head a bunch of us media type meteorite types of take a stab at what we thought the number was going to be and I think that number into him, but I would have gone higher than this. I would have thought, you know, maybe gone a little bit. Maybe in that a hundred five million range. I I think part of it probably there are a lot of elements to a part of it is patriots fatigue. You know, ninth trip there in the Brady Bill chick air heart of it is the fact that the Rams don't as big a market is there, and they don't have much of a fan base reestablished yet. I was in Atlanta. And I think it came across this way on television, but even more striking and person how much appropriate s- crowd that was it was seventy thirty percent. Maybe I mean, it sounded like a home game for the patriots. And that polar opposite of what it was last year for the eagles. So. You know, I don't think the Rams were much of a television track. This attraction is high acting as their offense was and then the game was a slog early seed and get that usual build up with the ratings as team went on. When you're, you know, anticipating a great ending like you got last year. So I think it was a lot of different factors, but eating adding all of those together, I was surprised at the number of down as much as it was AJ. Yeah. I was actually thought even before the game. Actually, if I thought courses to the first second quarter. I'm like if they break a hundred million and they had to work to get. They're not saying that, you know, the, obviously the broadcast the that that rating and that you were ship. It was ninety under a hundred million. They had to come up with which the always say record streaming will always record streaming nineteen eighty seven twenty eighteen he barely twenty seventeen. It's gonna be a record for the next several years. So I thought I thought it was a struggle for them. Because it was not a good game. The halftime show wasn't compelling. But. They with the broadband numbers. They did they EKO ver a one hundred million one million viewers. So that I was I was shocked. They actually it was actually that high interesting. So Chad I'll stick with you. But I'll just give you my my quick thoughts. Because I do want to ask you about patriots fatigue. Because I think that's I think that's a misnomer to me. This was about obviously the game was non a good game. And I think a lot of people bailed out and more importantly, there was no word of mouth on it. So I don't think a lot of people came to it. But you you hit on one big one. And that's the LA market does not deliver the kind of numbers that you really would expect from the number two media market in the country. Saint Louis did not watch this game. Because of obviously there. Correct feeling towards Rams management Rams ownership and then New Orleans. This is the stunner to me lowest rate and market of the top fifty six markets and lost half their viewership from last year. The weather wasn't too bad across country compared to the week before. So to me factor all that stuff, and you get it. And again, I'm interesting that you say patriots fatigue in that. You're in Boston. The reason why I don't buy that is one I think dynasties always sell and two if you look at the past patriot Super Bowls, generally speaking, they've always done. Well, I know there's key people that don't like them. But they're always compelling. So am I I don't know. You're you're in the heart of it might you think I'm maybe under selling or undervaluing patriots fatigue. Well, I think it is a factor too in the green that was the most exciting game of the NFL even it was probably the Rams chiefs regular season game mode of a week that was right. The, you know, the the shootout and at that point Jared Goff withdrawing kinda raves the eventual MVP, Patrick, Mahomes Scotts, and I think people over the course of November December into the playoffs are sort of hoping for that rematch. I don't know if that would have drawn better. But I think that chiefs were probably more appealing option nationally than the patriots there. No, the the the patriots are a nice villain in a very familiar one for the rest of the country. But this someone up here who you know, sought their jeeter in the Anki when five rings through the mid mid nineties late nineties. I was pretty tired of seeing them for a while. I know FOX was in Joe buck into macabre certainly weren't. But it it it felt like. Like, all right. Let's get some new blood in there. And that that didn't didn't encourage me to tune into the World Series any more than I would have just because they're participating in it. I don't know though. I mean, I can really see either way with the with the patriots, you you hate them. You hate watch them, or you know, you don't watch because you're seeing them it probably all evens out in that regard in the end. But I don't know should have been a compelling massive. You know, the the the Rams you get the McVay Belcher thing, and, you know, Goff Brady young versus old, and the Rams are one of the most fun teams in the league this year yet for whatever reason, it's it did not resonate nationally. And I thought it should I was surprised that it was you know, ended up being such an ugly number for CBS. But first of about your point is great on the phone, FOX. They would they would have the Yankees and the World Series every year. And I just wanna patriots compelling. I think I find dynasties and greatness interesting. So maybe maybe I'm in the minority there AJ one ask you about Tony Romo and. Theory. When when when the safe didn't get that call, and they and they they lost the Rams in the in the title game there every the the fix is in the Sixers, and like if you think the NFL would rather have the Rams and the saints, you know, and we saw how members around there is there is no chance that they would, you know, if you're talking about dollars, you know, add revenue and how much network in charge next year for Super Bowl ads and everything else. You know, they would they would they wanted to Saint Saint for that much bigger draw. So on. Yeah. Brady breeze too. I mean that more. So AJ one of the things that was really striking to me. This is the first time I've seen this in my lifetime. Maybe happened in Madden's for SuperBowl. I don't know. I don't remember. But Tony Romo became a significant presumably story line. And that's the first time I've ever can ever remember broadcaster being a significant pre-game storyline. And rightly so, given obviously how many people watch the championship in his performance there. What did you what did you make of not necessarily romo's game performance because that's been talked about a lot. But just sort of where Romo stands now in terms of the sports media and broadcasting. I mean, there's an argument to be made and probably not even a particularly hard one to make a Tony romo's the most famous sports broadcaster now on the planet. Yeah. You're right. And I know you you're a talk to him a one on one week before the game. And yeah, yeah. He said he had inquiries about playing again. I I'm surprised there's not gonna be not this. Here, but me, maybe next year inquiries into coach she still, you know, it's the. The Super Bowl game was such a weird game. It was kinda boring. It was he didn't do all those predictions. But what he did in the if title game was amazing what he's done all season. I've never seen an athlete condition before. And I think that's gonna settle in. It's not gonna be as big of a thing going forward. But it's it's amazing. What he's done in how. Well, if it's in with Nancy good buddy there and this. They're great broadcast crew and easily the best we have right now. Two more AGM and start with you. I wanna ask you both about the alliance of American football, which debuts as we're taping. This in a couple of days, debuts February ninth on CBS AGM struck by the fact that this new league has really gotten a lot of meteorites deals in television coverage we're gonna see it on CBS including the final the championship game. Whatever they call it. They have a deal with Turner. They have a deal of Bleacher report live they have. I think two games a week if I'm right about the NFL network. I have to be honest. That's more kind of known carriers covering this league than I expected. And again, they're not gonna you know. Let's relax. No one's expecting NFL numbers or even close. But I do think they're now a pretty interesting story to watch given that they have legitimate mainstream old school broadcasting networks that are that are airing these games. Yeah. We don't know. The I said, though, the inside numbers for all, you know, what the networks can be, you know, timeshare thing that could begin for money out of it. I everything, but it's a credit to Charlie Charlie. You know, and he'll Polian. Get. Yeah. Get again, this going to big names in there. You're not competing with the NFL. You're one of the first ones to watch before the XFL and some of the other. So I think that that that place in their favor. Jab would you like to give me your scouting report on these San Diego fleet in the Orlando Apollo's now, I? Yeah. Not that. I can't either. But I mean, I think this is interesting just in that like they again, they AJ makes a good point. I don't know what the particulars. Are. I don't know if it's if it's sort of a Rev share, whatever it is. But they got pretty good. I think they didn't really good job. I imagine McMahon league will get the sort of a good job too. But it does I don't know, man. It's interesting. They'll sort of tell you that they're the the media forces believed that there is a how do I say this that there's a demand for spring football. You know that the people will watch football on February March, April, your I think L read Jeff promo book about the USFL unrealized what work. Thing up that. Yeah, there's always been room for that. As long as expectations are realistic. You know, what happened to the US fell back in the eighties as they started throwing millions of dollars. This Trump is New Jersey team at college stars and the backbone league and support that yet they just didn't have the financial wherewithal to deal to do that. And then of course, he pushed to go head to head with the NFL because he was wanted to be an NFL owner. But if they're realistic about this, and and don't go crazy the salaries and don't try to sign every, you know, college star to three years early. You know, the Clemson quarterback, you know, three or four can go the NFL or anything like that. They can hang around for a while they need to be realistic about what the ratings are. They need to recognize that the football quality probably isn't going to be that high at the beginning. The real issue with the XFL wasn't you know, that it was process. Fist. He's as the product. It was that they had no quarterbacks. And when they did a quarterback he would get injured diving for the ball the start the game. So they the town levels going to be an issue, even if they're recognizable names attach, but we know how football draws and if they if they have a fairly modest number in mind this goes for any of these leagues they can't succeed. They just need to be responsible through the whole process rather than getting head of themselves. All right final one for you guys. I appreciate you coming on today. Jim Miller, and I just did forty minutes on then Virk covered. A lot of stuff. Miller was probably as passionate and fired up as I've seen on a topic. And one of his thesis was that he thinks he has PIN should bring Virk back and sort of recognized that this was an over punishment. I'll start with you AJ because you've done some reporting on this. And you have probably been part of the SPN backgrounding you on this story as well. As reaching out the people on the Virk side. As we tape this today, Wednesday, February six what is your overview of what happened? Yeah. I don't wanna say they make an example out of them. Because you know, it was I think it was the way he did it. And I was you knew reported on it an item reporting has been others as well on this. Oh, I am Andrew Marsh as well. Then he broke the story for sure. So we're always it wasn't just leaking the information that he called back and got more information than leak that too. I think that was what kind of drove USB and nuts. And I think if it was just the peer leak there is, you know, and and these these allegations have been pretty frequent over the years, but they can never nail down more than four or five people. It was the fact that he basically was the only source that could have been really 'cause he had the he he basically had to call back for this information. And it wasn't like you're meeting with teen people who told their team more people who told you know, it goes from there. It would if it was pretty easy to identify. That was that was why if it was so quick, and it was pretty pretty harsh penalty there. Chad. Do you want to do you want to offer any thoughts on an advert being fired by span? Yeah. I was shocked by it. I mean, it's a. Even with the degree of what the in in the annoyance of the details in the leak t- spin management that it it still shocking them what somebody who's really well, regarded they're very good at his job. And somebody seem very popular this, you know, this colleagues let him go just so so bluntly so quickly like they did clearly there's a message being sent it's people who are sources in the Jimmy tower. We are no longer going to be sources, but to see it done in sort of that Tony soprano type away that they executed. It was surprising. I do hope they bring him back. You know, he should have been more cooperative. It sounds like. But he someone who's a real asset ESPN and to send it to give it a guy like that just to send a message that we are going to stop in this this era here, I think was a little. Overreach on their part. Yeah. And I think you'll agree with Miller. And I the idea that leaks are gonna stop, but ESPN is quite a comical thought process there. That's that's not going to be the case. Chad Finn is the sports media writer and columnist for the Boston Globe. Jay Perez is a staff writer and investigative reporter for USA today. Check both those guys out on Twitter as well as their work Chattanooga. Thanks for coming on really quickly today. And I'll bring you back bring you guys back on. I'm sure over the next couple of weeks and months. Thanks so much for joining me today in the sports media podcast search going to be all right back in the studio. My thanks to Jim Miller for really passionate fiery interesting stuff on the end in Virk firing. My thanks to you Chad Finn in AJ Peres for jumping on about the Super Bowl viewership and to get there. Quick thoughts on then Burke as well. If you like this kind of feel like this kind of conversation. And I should mention by the way, Jimmy train and Andrew Marsh and did a podcast on these sports. Illustrated media podcast is really interesting as well. I certainly recommend you check that out in addition to this one or if you've just listen to this one if you like this kind of conversation, please leave us a review and a rating on apple podcasts, Stitcher. Google play. Previous guests to this one Kevin Harlan and the Super Bowl director, Mike Arnold discussing their craft got a lot of great feedback on particular. Kevin Harlan just being so descriptive about the differences of calling football on the radio versus the NFL prior to that Laura Rutledge and Kevin Clark of grantland. Chelsea jane's. Bruce fell may go down the list. Tom Verduci, Rebecca Lobo. Kirk Minahan, K dab Dow, Rachel Nichols journal Hillman. Adam Schefter, etc. Etc. If you like this kind of stuff again, please head to the sports media with Richard I page on I tunes, apple podcasts. Lisa review. And my thanks to Luke Pellegrino as always reproducing this podcast. Thank you to cadence thirteen. We'll see again sports media podcast.

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SCOREBOARD SPECIAL: Top 10 Announcers

Baseball Tonight with Buster Olney

16:37 min | 1 year ago

SCOREBOARD SPECIAL: Top 10 Announcers

"Hey, fan's. Paul finebaum here college football is back in vivid seats is your go-to for game tickets. Just go to vivid seats dot com where every purchases back by their one hundred percent pyre guarantee from the big house to the swamp vivid seats has you covered. So get off the couch and get into the action, your team needs. You vivid seats, the official ticket partner of ESPN enter promo code ESPN at checkout to receive ten percent off your order today. The baseball tonight. Scoreboard welcome to a special baseball tonight. Scoreboard with the playoffs being dark for a couple of days here, we decided that we're going to reach out to our friend Adnan Virk the host of the Sinophile podcast ESPN's college football coverage on Saturdays, baseball tonight, just about every other show that we have at the at the network and and we got a Bleacher tweet the other day, and the Bleacher tweeter asks us about the best baseball announcers, it got my brain going, and I thought, you know, well, let's get adnia because that ends well school these well versed to give your top ten and of course you know what? It's your top ten. So you get to set the parameters. I love it BUSTER. Listen, I love nothing more than lists. You know how much I love baseball shipping your podcast. I still have a recover from the browbeating I took from not having the sandlot higher on my list. When was. His favorite movies, but listen, you're right to me. Baseball is timeless. It is our favorite sport, and I love the fact that the soundtrack of our youth is often what what makes the game, so great. So I think if these voices, I think those great plays in baseball street and this is the parameter I set for myself. It'd be too difficult to include all the guys that we work with like the John Sean b.'s day Fleming's map Bhaskar Shen and Adam Amine. So I see, you know what I'm gonna take out show called contemporaries with one glaring exception, which I will explain when we get to it. Okay. Well, let's let's get to your top ten number ten red barber. There. It is. The data, of course these. Yeah, I was gonna say that of course was red barber calling, Roger Maris's sixty first home run. I thought go ahead knowing the fact that somebody was about to win five thousand dollars, but go ahead. Go ahead Ed in downtown thing. I was going to say there's a great call which normally you're used to these hysterical people, but that's red barber. He's just he's just laying out which TV and radio term for letting the audience, you know, listen to the natural sound and just positive, letting free when I think right Barbara take a old timey baseball, right? You think of those old newsreel videos in black and white and has a great day for baseball. Epochs failed in Jackie Robinson steps of the blight. I think red Barbara old school baseball, and he's been a part of so many great memories obviously with the dodgers one follow on that I got sand, and I've heard a lot of calls in a red barber, heard a lot of his play by play in in. You can find it on YouTube. That to me was one of the worst calls. One of the biggest moments ever know. We're going to go with this idea here. What is really have the best malls. We'll just have a call from one of these guys. Maybe there's. Number nine. Harry callous. Joe vets, ROY. Philadelphia Phillies two thousand eight. Skirt case as much Philadelphia institution as gino's in pats and cheese steaks. Harry Kallis is synonymous with Philadelphia, Phillies baseball. That was the call, of course, two thousand and ended along drought, not only for the Phillies, but just for the city of Philadelphia, which had not had a major champion in the four major sports. I also love his call. Michael Jackson, of course, all those home runs the greatest baseball. I made Harry Cal is the guy. And men people have stories about Harry Kallis. It's funny because when you hear stories about Vince gully, they're all kind of the same point. He's so nice boys, so polite not for Harry callous. Like here. I mean, people loved his personality, but they different type of personality events Scully for sure. And I think the best will says, yeah, and I think the best part of that call specifically that final call of the Phillies winning the World Series is that he said, I don't know maybe eight words, and it took him like twenty one seconds to get them all out. Just that very deliberate delivery is what made callous. So so great. I think number real Ernie Harwell right hander against the right end of the outfield is straight up in deep on field. Is the d. h. today weighing this drive to laugh that one is long. Two ways in that first pitch with his twenty ninth home run of the year while one of my best friends might kiss went to college together at Ryerson. He was a huge Troy. Tigers fan grew up in Windsor Ontario, just across the border. And so he got me into Ernie Harwell. It's an obviously. I know the name is great, but it's interesting BUSTER, whatever. I hear our buddy anchors area do his Brock Meyer impression is show Jim, Brooklyn. Elliot, see, you know, in many was it sounds kind of like early Harwell. It's just as sweet voice listen to. And everybody I think feels that their candidate Ernie Harwell. He also has one of the best broadcasting bits, but vice ever heard, which is he told my friendship police years ago when you're first starting at everyone's gonna hate ya, everyone's going to criticize it. 'cause you're not as good as the other guy, but here's the key after five years. It doesn't matter if they like you. It doesn't matter if they hate you. They just get used to you number seven. Tom cheek to balls and two strikes on it. Here's a pitch on the way a swing and a belt. Well, play back. Series. Picks a boom in the ninth inning in the Blue Jays every in this World Series champions touchable, you'll never hit a bigger home in your life. Why there was one thought BUSTER when Josh offer this idea with a maybe with the top calls of all time rather than just the top sponsors. But I figured Tom cheek that's synonymous it's one of the great calls of all time. The Joe Carter walkup and Bluejays ninety three and also what else you're listening. I'm allowed one Homer picks of the voice of blues for so many years. I'm gonna get Tom cheek in there. Just a wonderful man. He was genial to all friendly love baseball. I had a great call that that call Tim is right there. And then tell me about the first time you got to meet him. We don't. I met him back when I was in Toronto. Obviously, what to school there, and I was covering the Jays for the score television network, and it's very intimidating because everybody sees him and you say, God, I'm going to be one of these favelas idiots revere, and you look up to and he actually saw me made eye contact. You have a warm smile. So I said, I can go over there. And before I could tell how much he meant to me how much idolize his work. He said, I've seen your kid doing a good job, keep it up, and I just said, I'm about to faint melts right now. It's good enough for me if God takes. Me out top chief of a good kid do the good job. I tell people all the time that I was more nervous when I met Ned Morton. Who was the the voice of the Red Sox on radio someone? I felt like I learned baseball from I. I was more nervous when I met him at age, twenty five. Then it was any player ever like I was like, petrified. And I'm surprised after I met him in the the nature of of how a few. So I was that he didn't get some sort of restraining order out on me. That's how they're saying it was for me. BUSTER between letting somebody know how much you'd Meyer the revere and not scaring them. Number six, Mel Allen. As a. Listen Mel, Al. How about that? Do you think about this week in baseball and all the great calls over the ears. Again, this is in the guy that I grew up with, but you've heard somebody great place for the ears and heard about Mel Allen in? No, he's wonderful. Announcer Mel Allen is my guide number six, and he was the voice of this week in baseball, of course with that unforgettable music. And whenever I finished his scoreboard, I always have Mel Allen in my head when you know have a great day. Everybody. Five. Dan Shulman to two slider, grounded out to second. Go ties scouted. The throat of I and Tom glavin has become baseball's twenty third, three hundred game winner being embraced by teammates in the first base dugout. Now he's popped up onto the field and another standing ovation from those who have remained here in Chicago. Well, this is the choice here. BUSTER? Is it listen? I'm not going to include contemporaries because it's too difficult to clue them all. But I make an exception with Dan Shulman because he predates me enough. I think enough at ESPN and I grew up listening to them again being in Toronto, Harring up all those years. And he's been such an influence on me online at call as in loving baseball that I'm including Dan Shulman obviously much better than I. You haven't done it. I baseball them for so many years, but seriously, he's one of the great voices ever in baseball history. Yes, seven years in and I can say this sort of is is from across a broad spectrum. So I'm not going to question one person in one year getting. Award, but I gotta tell you every year when they would hand out Emmys and Dan was not nominated at always surprise me. Yeah, especially when you talk to people who a love broadcasting and be LA baseball. Dan, is that perfect mix of both? You don't have to love the sport depreciate Dan. And conversely, you don't have to care about the mechanics of broadcast into this guy, calls it break eight, and he's even better on radio and TV, which is even harder skillset. Number four, Harry Carey. Bye. Damon's cooley. Well, he's one of the funniest about says of all time. We know that I mean, endure so much losing his beloved cubs. We had to get Harry Carey in this list. It's unfortunate subways BUSTER because if Harry Carey in the will Ferrell impression comes right away, but he's been so lampooned and satirized by people. You don't appreciate what a good announced. He was all those years beyond the humor. So Harry Carey has gotta get his due at number four. Number three. Bob euchre Bruins down to their final out down now up to Christian yelich hera's yell at Sam. He has. They booming. Got it. All. Four big home run. The pick Ryan. Great calls by the way, the Josh Beckett picked a Bob euchre because his energy and his who's Yasmine is unparalleled. People know about the humor, obviously major league Mr. Belvedere, etc. But Kim Kirch in our friend BUSTER, who knows baseball and was as much as we do says euchre. If you look at just calling a game is as good as anybody who's ever lived in terms of the format of it. And sometimes like I said, because of the humor if you'll realize how good euchre is, but a guy who loves baseball knows baseball course play baseball and is incredibly self deprecating when he's in the booth. And I love the fact that we the brewers playing deep into this postseason. He's getting a lot of attention as works, getting a lot of attention. Very cool. In and Adnan you said you liked the calls that I picked there. You know, you were bashing some of the mice elections earlier than some of these guys have more material out there than others. If there was one guy I was gonna make sure I got right. It was Robert m. f. euchre come on number two. M. f. euchre I love it. Number two has been skelly. Here that has been so improbable, then possible has happened. I just, I mean, listen, he's an absolute legend, right? They'll people are appalled BUSTER, their gnashing, their teeth, and I'm not putting it number one, but he's an absolute institution when it comes to baseball and broadcasting and a voice like honeysuckle and in a sport that is one without a clock. Vince Kelly is the guy that remains timeless. He's the best. Yeah, I'm not gonna ask you to explain why have been number two until we hear from number one number one. Jack buck. And we'll see you. He's the best, and I'm so glad Josh pick that call. You know, as a young man growing up in Canada, the baseball World Series, the seduced him more than any other was nineteen Ninety-one. Two teams, the twins and Braves that went last two. I one run games, all of them incredible pitching in game seven, Jack Morris. They win it and sacked, fly Dan glad the scores. And of course that game six Kirby Puckett who've been struggling mightily makes a tremendous catch and then hits at home. Run in Joe bucks book. Maybe one day will be on this list as well. I love Joe's word, but he talked about his dad and he said, you know, brilliant that call was. He said that World Series was a tough one for my daddy was not having a great time with Tim McCarthy did not have chemistry. Jack was realizing he was struggling a little bit, but he 'cause you're appreciate how tough that call was. He goes there in the Metrodome where every has was Homer Hanky, which are white. The baseball is of course white, and you've got to clear the plexiglas and he said a lesser announcer would have been much safer with that call and just sit pocket with a drive to let looks like it's going back. Track walks every because his dad nailed it with about the ball hasn't even left yet. He just knew it and went right to the essence of the mobile, which is we'll see tomorrow night. It's it's my favourite call ever in baseball history. When you look at the moment at what he said, he's got that great muscular Susie is gravitas to it also called football. Also, very funny. Jack buck was the best Paul Rudd who's a good friend of Joe box was asked Jack, how like it's beginning to answer. He said a lot of cigarettes brandy and you'll be fun. Real quick before you go ahead and then look at, you know, broadcasting and understand the art of broadcasting far better than I ever would. I'm trained as a writer, technically speaking, what to Jack buck do really well as a broadcaster. I think he was able to convey the moment which is a hard thing to put into words. But I think oftentimes as an shift to pick out when the beat you're going to be a win, the moment will change. You know, baseball is such a conversational sports unite can be having a conversation, but then a great announcer consents. Okay. The moment here is about to come to us and we've got to Elham elevate with that certain precision of a Swiss clock. And I think the jackpot when you listen to him, he knew when the moment was there and then he delivered on the moment. I mean, you've got to have a great call that matches the play. You see, you know, go crazy folks. Go crazy in the Smith home run. And while the great moments ever baseball history, Josh, of course, pulled the VIN Scully college. She is bucks. 'cause equally famous, equally brilliant. He said, I don't believe what I just. Saw repeated twice. One guy was in disbelief. One guy was saying she has gone under the two greatest baseball announces of all time. That's awesome. And I really appreciate you taking the time to do this ad and always great to hear your perspective. Thank you. Thank you, bust your. Thanks, Josh. Appreciate your boys. Thanks for listening to baseball tonight. Scoreboard special, be sure to check out the baseball tonight. Podcast, Keith law joins me for championship series preview. Plus we get some insight heat on the dodgers from Bill shaken, Sarah Lang's dives into the numbers for another dish of the numbers game. Thanks for listening and have a great day. Everybody. Thanks for listening to the baseball tonight scoreboard and be sure to download all podcasts including the baseball tonight podcast at ESPN dot com slash pod center. The baseball tonight scoreboard.

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Adnan Virk and Mike Lombardi and John Ourand

Sports Media with Richard Deitsch

1:07:33 hr | 1 year ago

Adnan Virk and Mike Lombardi and John Ourand

"Everybody. This is Richard dick and welcome to the sports media podcast. My producers always towns Malabon coming up on this week's episode two segments first up, and then Burke, and Mike Lombardi they are now co hosting a new podcast called the G M shuffle. That podcast is a cadence thirteen podcasts the same podcast company that does mind so little bit of crossover here as the cadence thirteen people much like the godfather may be an offer I couldn't refuse so Adnan Virk and Mike Lombardi coming up in the first segment and -nology. We talked about this podcast, but we get into Adnan being fired by SPN his thoughts on this. And think you're going to be interested in what he has to say we follow that up with John rand. He is a regular on this podcast from the sports media journal and sports media daily. They're fine media reporter the conversation. There is about ABC and trying to be a player when it comes to the upcoming NFL packages will. ABC get a Super Bowl. That's very very interesting story in sports media. We also talk about the CBS WNBA deal CBS and CBS sports network will now air forty WNBA games. Very good deal. I think for both John gets into the reporting that he's done on Sinclair who as we tape. This are the leaders in the bids for the FOX branded RSN's, and then we finish up with Abigail. Disney's comments on Bye-bye and corporate compensation at Disney, and how ESPN is who were laid off over the last couple years would feel about seeing Bob Eiger pulling down, you know, sixty plus million dollars in compensation single year. So at Virk, Michael bardy Johnno rant coming up on the sports me podcast. All right. Adnan Virk and Mike. Lombardi are co hosting a new podcast. It is called the GM. Shuffle. The podcast is being done by cadence thirteen the same company that does this podcast, and I was happy when I received an Email from canes thirteen executives to say would you like to have these guys on? You know, obviously, the hostage situation that they put me in probably how this. We made you an offer. You choose Richard pretty. Yeah. Credibly enough. There was a racehorse in my bed. Very scary stuff. All right split seriously and invert and Mike Lombardi are coasting new podcast called the GM shuffle. So far of us a really good. Let us give their quick resume and ember because the host of designs changeup MLB whiparound show as well as a host at the MLB network. He worked for ESPN for more than a decade, and we will get into some of that on this podcast. Mike Lombardi is a longtime NFL executive who has worked for ESPN CBS sports Showtime, the NFL network, Fox Sports Sports Illustrated, the ringer and now the Atlantic. In addition to his cadence thirteen podcast that he's doing with that NAN and that Virk and Mike lumbered, Mike Lombardi join me today on these sports media podcast. Or are you guys doing great rich? Let's get this out of the way. I the reason I'm doing this is because jemele hill was in the pod last week. And thanks, by the way, very kind of work. She said about me, and I support her as well Jamila zone bother check at our podcast. She's and sessional, but she's been on your podcast this one in the previous ones, social. Media podcast. I believe three times heard I are neck and neck. So I'm just doing this to vault ahead in terms of being a trivia question. One day who was the most often the guest on the Richard Deitz podcast and Lombardi's here to really bring the humor in the heart. I I don't know. I was listening to read my resume. I'm like gosh. Oh, I didn't know I work those many places. I appreciate it. Let me tell you something adn to similarities between dramatic pretty much end with the downloads. She'll be back. She is wildly popular. I am not shop. She she will. Absolutely be on. All right. I'm gonna try to address you both here. Let us start off with with you. Add and how did this podcast come together? Well, it was great rich. What happened because cadence thirteen kind kinda jumped all over it. You know after everything went thirty SPN. You don't know what your job prospects going to be? You're not sure where you're gonna end up and canes to actually my first meeting on my comeback trail, so to speak, and as soon as I walked in here, the officers that were taping your Manhattan, they couldn't have been more supportive. Chris Corcoran and John McDermott and our producer Jolie entire team. They're like, listen, whatever happened to you just be an happen where huge fans your work, and we'd love to put you in Michael embark together. And I knew Mike work a little bit new he'd been at the ringer. I've read his book I'm going to get around to that. But I sure I love to meet him. And I'm a huge NFL fan. I'd covered college football for five years at ESPN. But NFL one of my favorite sports. Lifelong eagles fan all the rest of it. So we come in here. And everyone's. You know, pretty supportive and friendly and then Mike walks in here, and literally he's he has the room in stitches. I mean, you talk about a force of energy and a guy who just commands the room with the elected or not he's that guy, and he's just got stores for days, and this is right after the whole Robert Kraft situation. So of course, Mike being a plethora of information having worked for the patriots. And just being funny guy. I tell you he had the room, and I said because being true ham who hadn't been on TV for like a month. I said let's go tape something right now and Corcoran's shirt. Let's do it. So literally, Mike, and I went the studio and we did about twenty one twenty five minute pockets. This was February twenty seventh and literally after that Corcoran's. Okay. We'll release it this. They will do this. And I'm like, wait. Did I get the job like like normally when you're unemployed and you're going to get work? You're waiting for that moment. They say, congratulations. Here's your paperwork. Here's HR. No. We already had the job rubber-stamped. So it was one that was with great gratitude and elation to Mike and into the whole canes team. But also it had to be a secret because you and I are sitting on a texting each other. Lincoln this thing starting for everything else to come together. Yeah. No. It was you know, we keep a cigarette. But it was awesome. Because you start off that day with I I love the sopranos, and that's really all needed to hear. And then we went launched right into it. And it was really it was a great conversation. And it was exciting for me. You know, having come from the ringer with Tate Frazier and really enjoyed my time there, but then to have somebody we could talk some movies about especially the sopranos because sometimes dealing with the millennial crowd. They don't quite know the sopranos. So it was good. It was fun. And I I was great. I mean, we we've done it with no rehearsal. Yeah. We've made it very clear here rich. I know everyone's obsessive game of thrones. I don't know where you're at on this. But we're we're down on on dungeons and dragons, incest, we like to focus on heavyweight of all time, which is the sopranos give your junior line, Mike, you know, sometimes some people suffer the race to actually think there'll in the lead. And I think that's true with a lot of NFL teams. I think it's true with a lot of this situation. So it was good. I I mean, look it's always good to have a banner back and forth with somebody where you can use analogies that we're in a business that is. A professional. It's business and to use the the the the pop culture references to help explain the people to see it makes it so much better. And that's what we've been able to do so far in our shows rich and your would love Mike as soon as he was talking about Brock Osweiler called love Tonga heist. Which is of course, a reference to goodfellas I can just picture Henry hill. I said that's what we're gonna get along. Well, and everybody died that's the other part about the low tons everybody around the tonsil. Hi, Scott killed and everybody around rock has basically been assassinated, pour out of jobs. Not a parallel. Yeah. That's not a parallel would have expected. But but well done Mike what you have done many podcasts before and certainly at a prominent place such as ringer. What do you want this podcast to be? And maybe more importantly, how do you break through amid all the other NFL pods? Why think you breakthrough by honesty? I think the one thing I've learned in life. I read Neil Simon's book rewrites years ago, and they'll Simon was having trouble for people that don't know Neil Simon is a great playwright because I have to explain this because many millennials don't know who is lost in Yonkers fans out there. Yeah. There's not enough of of goodbye, girl, Marsha Mason. And all that. But anyway, he wrote in his memoirs he said, you know, I had trouble writing. I had trouble writing plays because I wasn't making the characters. Interesting enough enact one for the audience to want to see him in three. And I think this podcast is going to be interesting act one, and you're gonna wanna stay around for act three because we're going to talk, unfiltered sports NFL talk, as you know, from Mike. I don't. Hold back. There's no sense in holding back. I'm thirty some plus years in the league I've got three Super Bowl rings. I don't really I have no intention of going back. I don't wanna go back. I wanna have the second career in life. And I want to be able to get to act three with the audience. At what at the moment. What is your schedule in terms of when you will release, and ideally, what would be between, obviously the conversations that you and Mike will have what would be what would be an ideal. What would be an ideal guest for the GM shuffle? Well, I think we're going to do rich the key is consistency. As you know, when you're sl are now working fail in Toronto. And doing this podcast through cadence thirteen I think the key is consistency. So for us. We've taped the first couple of weeks here in a Monday and released it on Wednesday. But I think generally we're going to tape it on Tuesday released on Wednesday and go from there. I think the key is just trying to spread the word. And as Mike said, you, you know, you build an audience and just kind of spread the word what we're going to be doing. But I think if you can go weekly, you know, one thing I learned from ESPN. I was there for almost nine years is that the NFL really is a year round sport. And I don't know if that's accurate of all the other sports in the NFL. There's always something to talk about there's no dead period. I hear some meals after the drag it's a little bit quieter, but Mike, and I remember joking about the ice. And that's when we can get really loose. That's when he's told me Al Davis stories, laughing talk about Paul Newman and the Verde. And stuff that we're into. And then, you know, the easiest shows is you know, are doing the sports calendar. So NFL Susan's a breeze. We're gonna walk in your in Tuesday and say who's good who's not power rankings, etc. So I actually think the summer shows are going to be fun because we're going to be able to show more personality. And as you know with podcasting where it's it's all about personality and aligned people that kind of see where you are. By the way, you know, the verdict did the James Mason lawyer gets a little bit too much love in terms of of being a great lawyer actually fucked case up his Newman was he really actually made some critical mistakes. Even though, you know, even though he gets sort of love if you're watching the verdict in the room anyway. Nurse kostelic. It's called up there. And she talks with the fact that they've fudge the change the number Mason, screw up there. Right. Right. Never Caitlyn Castillo's to hear of that movie. In addition to obviously. Judge's haircut was the key to that movement. Shays? Shays? Very good. Boston Boston judge there. Mike what you have worked, obviously for many media outlets at this point after your NFL career. What have you learned about the media having been on both sides having been someone who? Who sports writers and sports broadcasters. We'll talk about and then obviously being somebody who is on the media side talking about the people who are in the NFL, either personnel, people coaches, players, etc. I think straight talk really as long as it's researched. I don't think it's, you know, just come out of left field and say something, but I think if you're honest, and you have facts to base it up. I think people crave knowledge about the NFL. I wrote about this in my book people that watched the NFL specially some of the comments this why Tony Romo has been so successful very few people in the NFL play offense and defense in basketball Barkley played offense. He plays defense. He knows the whole game. But the understand the whole game is more complex football. And I think the one thing I've learned through my time from the time I was with Jim Nance on the NFL today when it just came back is people crave. Knowledge, they crave. More information about the sport about how it's works. The inner workings of how teams do it how they draft. How coaches think and I think that's something. I can provide enough have tried to. In my career. It may upset some people 'cause you say some things, but I think at the end of the day. The political argument is always people's give their opinions one way or the other. Nobody gets offended in sports. If you say something bad about somebody, you're an outcast. And I think to me you're only going to gain credibility to the audience. If you're honest throughout the whole throughout your whole episode. And at this point. Would you call this a b minus segment or c plus? I think we're plus trying towards be minus. But I'm waiting for more Canadian to come in here. Because now rich listen, you're always I think in your own words, I wanna be Canadian now you are a full-fledged Canadian working with leading living in Toronto. Even though Rick Reilly thinks you and Michael Farber are walking the streets together. A Queen ski west. I mean now that you're Toronto I want you to test your CFL here with Mike I want you to see really go deep here with the the Argonauts, which I know is you're you're on the raptors lease right now with the Argos do a part of Richard is his heart. James wilder junior. You would you like me to really go deep into the? I love I think he's on the I think he might be on the bills. Now, actually, I think he is moved off from the Kennedy. The bills are your NFL team rich because if your years you spent in by now Directa God feel about the stills getting snubbed out of. I don't understand how they got snowed out of having any appearances on TV. They have fourteen one o'clock starts the whole year or something like that. And then they have what two that are four clock somewhere, and they don't travel. They have the thanksgiving. Well, first of all, listen, I wish I wish for buffalo teams to be successful. Because I'm a great fan of the city. I have absolutely no rooting interest in Buffalo Bills. It's you know, if they do good or they do bad. It has no impact sort of on me emotionally that said I do feel for that fan base. Just because it's been a long time. And yes there I don't believe they have a single prime time game. They do have a thanksgiving in for the first time in twenty five years. But you know, if you're going to be honest for the NFL, why would you put the bills on primetime? They're not there are better teams to put in those national windows. I think that will certainly draw you more viewership. So I, you know, if you're going to be honest, I feel like if you're the league you can't put the bills on now until their until they're better at least until they have more star power. I actually am fascinated by the Browns this year, another twenty year old employee Mike there, not only do I think they're going to be good. But I think we're going to be in for a five year run of the Browns being. Very much darling team when it comes to the prime time window, you know, I mean, everybody's jumping on the Browns. I it's going to be an interesting case study for me in terms of how they come together chemistry. How the culture within the building lays itself out with Dell Beckham and with Baker Mayfield Jarvis Landry and all those combination. I do I think, you know, they're going to be the living proof of this talent rule or teams rule, and I I've always lend towards teams now. That's interesting. That's an interesting. That's an interesting observation. All right, Adnan. I want to ask you some questions about ESPN. I realize I understand that you're probably going to be sort of very delicate political. But first and foremost, here's something you said to the Washington Post. Ultimately, I'm hurt that I was that replaceable for doing something. I thought was relatively benign couple months later, you still feel the same way. Or are you feeling differently about the situation as we tape this on April twenty second as you might have obviously a couple months ago? Yeah. I I think what's happened rich that with the the the advantage of time you will to kind of create more separation. I think ultimately I look back on ESPN career. I have nothing but good feelings towards ESPN. What they did for me from lawyer Landau. I hiring me. John skipper, John while tack gave me so many opportunities Lee fitting with college sports world, Mike mcquaid on baseball tonight. Scott masterpiece in senior radio thank. And I think what ends up happening is that once you are removed from the situation, and I'm sure you can speak to this. Sports illustrated. When you look at your tenure there, you focus on the best memories, and the stuff that really was special to you, and and meaningful, and if someone had said to me rich, listen, you're going to be in Toronto, you know, this because on right was on your PA the previous incarnation, and you'd sit a comment to the effect of I can't believe can't ever let Adnan go and Jason let them go. The never get much of a chance. Like, I was never star like John. Right. Dan o'toole? I'm not somebody who's well known like my boy cabbie or James Duffy or all those guys that worked with the TSN. You know, I was a guy who was just another grinder in Toronto. And I was so lucky that that Lori wanted to give me a chance at bien. And if you could tell me listen nine years later, you get to cover four college football national championships couple World Series, Phil Orleans lobby to call games at Yankee Stadium Fenway park Wrigley field for long lifelong baseball lover. It's amazing. I got to fill in on the biggest radio shows, Mike and Mike with golick work with the Ryan russillo. And so many people there and one of the biggest ones is Keith Olbermann. My favorite broadcaster. I actually got to fill in for. Keio twenty five times in one of his many incarnations at ESPN. So I think what is happening riches that once you removed situation you look at the tally of your career. And that the preeminent feeling is one of of gratitude for for all that UCF gave me, and I think it was a a mutually beneficial relationship. I think I was a guy who worked hard who was exceedingly. Well, liked by his peers and colleagues who was very receptive to whatever the company wanted to do. And therefore because I had a good attitude was willing to work hard. I was given a lot of opportunities as you. And I both know talented subjective. I'm sure there are plenty will tell me that. I stink out kick my coverage for far too long and his head was right to get rid of me. But I think it really was a good run. And I'm really grateful for it. All. All that said ad. And if you were a bigger name, do you think you would have been fired? Let's tough to say, you know, I'm so nurse assistant in my own mind. I think I am a big name. So that's probably too. But it's funny to your point like, you know, I kind of kept I did my best to stay away from social media during my six weeks sabbatical, but I would kind of cheer point go online here and there and things that you're right. I did see say, oh, man. I I don't know why the stories get so much play. Like is this guy? He's the guy that for 'em tells me that we're moving ahead in the college football coverage like he's really he's just fill in host and the radio like who cares about this guy? Why is it such place? So I do recognize the people who didn't know me. Now, apparently do know me and for those that were fans, I appreciate that. They're going to support me wherever I go. But listen, I I think that there's definitely definitely many layers to it, and like an onion certainly you can peel away. And you know, I say grateful to you. I thought that the podcast you did with Jim Miller who particularly impassioned I thought was fair. I thought it was sensible. I thought you raised a lot of salient. Points about whatever happened. And at times, I would read some articles and say that they were right for there's or factual inaccuracies that I would cut a laugh about it. And I think anybody who's ever lost their job. No matter what circumstance that they've been under realizes that you have to you have to persevere, and you have to have a sense of humor about it whichever way as possible. And ultimately, I had three things go for it, which is faith family and friends and those three have never let me down. And even in my darkest moment wherever things were harrowing. I was able to rely on each of those values systems and was able to emerge, and again, I think grad to really is the big emotion. I mean like you, and I both know agents sometimes people can consider them like a necessary evil. But when I lose a job, you know, my agents were right there for me, you know, Nick con medals CA, those guys couldn't have been more loyal non-judgmental supportive confident, which is probably a characteristic. I was lacking in the midst of everything that happened. But they they were like we got this. No problem. You're going to be fine. You're talented guy. And you. Hard. And there's gonna be other opportunities for you. And thankfully, the GM shuffling canes. Thirteen is one of them and to be able to reunite with John skipper does own. I mean, he was my old boss is always an excellent relationship. John. What types to be about Dunkerque, you'll appreciate this. It's a lot like a Robert Altman fellow Mike, I have course, because as, you know, overlapping dialogue and cross current storylines, and we're having this conversation like at the Little League World series in the trailer. I'm like, okay, only I and John skipper gonna have this conversation. And even the last time I saw John we were talking about lady bird and cocoa and how much both like those movies. So I I look forward to to reengaging in those conversations with him and also Jamie Horowitz who was an executive yet to dissolve on. Who was the one I met with the day Ackerman. Cadence thirteen he's the guy that I met with who said, you know, obviously, tell me what happened in your words and explain it to him. And he said listen your number one choice for this baseball show zone. Change up. You don't addition y'all to explain yourself. We think you're stud Jamie, and I obviously cross paths a little bit of speed. Although I never worked on sports nation, or I take those shows I did get to know Jimmy. A bit because I did fill it on Overman as a mention and Jimmy used oversee that show. So he was always really supportive me. I remember when I would fill in for K o one time has advice me because you know, you're underrated funny. You know, take bigger swings. Take bigger chances. He goes, you know, a guy like yourself. I don't think people can appreciate some of the tout loved you have. And that's what he said to me four or five years ago. And now he's telling me listen does own emerging power. It's the streaming network, which is the number one sports network in Japan. It's number one in Germany or making inroads in the states. I want you to be the face of it. That's that's awfully comforting. And that's awfully generous of him to say. So I think there's lots of thank yous and Bokassa complex to give out which I'm doing at do you watch professional wrestling at all I don't I mean, I know you're a big pro wrestling, I feel like although Robert Flora's is that MLB network and designs changeup is a co production with that will be network. So I know ro- flow is a big wrestling guy. Greg collie was old baseball tonight. Producers a big wrestling fan. So I have enough people rich ten gently tell me about wrestling. But I myself I. Kinda lost luster back in the days of demolition wrestlemainia back in Toronto. Believe Ninety-one HOGAN, Andre the giant famous famous moment, you're resting after an aficionado. So you know, this right, right. The first of all I love that you answer that question. So earnestly because I really did not care about your answer aspect question. Loved the junkyard dog to go ahead rich yet the reason that you'd basically just in wrestling, you just cut a promo basically on like twenty five people. Madel, and I couldn't even follow those by the way, your agents are absolutely game of thrones. With members of the last or family. They tearing Lancaster's that Peter Dingle just character. It's subjective as to which land, stirs AR. But like you literally just caught a I can't even follow because you cut a promo on too many people. Meaning that you have put over so many people you're not currently work with which is again, very good strategy in your all, right? A couple more here. And then I'm gonna bring Mike back on. How should current? And this is where I realize you have to be able to delicate how should current ESPN feel about management's loyalty to them given that you're a very loyal, very well liked employees and were let go pretty much at your first transgression if you wanna call it a transgression. Yeah. I think you'd alterly- rich all actions have consequences. I think ultimately, you know, whenever you work for a company, whether you're working for the ethic or the fan five ninety shot today. Fidel Bob mccowan the whole crew back there Toronto. You know, you're cutting still cutting. The rich. You're at the Bahasa them. Right. It's a subjective business. Even what we do. Right. Like, whatever you're on air. People think you're good. You're not good. It really is subjective. So, you know, if new boss comes and also they like, they don't like there's only so much you can control. So I think you know, in this instance, while I appreciate those who were sympathetic to me and raise the points that you made I it's kind of out of my hands. So I don't think it's something that you can lose sleep over because you say that was the session that was made. And and while I wish it had been different the time. You know, I'm really excited. We're where I am now and the adventures that lay ahead. So I think I know it's it's maybe not the best answer. But I think if you work at ESPN, and you have a good relationship with your bosses, and it is an excellent bar there. And certainly I miss all my friends that I worked with specifically. They were always supportive of me. Then I think you kind of focus on that. And you don't say, hey, what happened Adnan, you just say? Hey, listen, I'm enjoying my job. I'm having a good time here. And I hope that that continues. I don't think you wanna let something. External to you affect your enjoyment of the job that make sense. This does I appreciate that are two more. And then we'll we will move on. Do you believe the SPN leaked the story of your firing? You'd have to ask a smarter guy like yourself or Jamila or Andrew Marsh. And he's the guy who broke the story. Andrew, obviously is too good reporting to Sparta guy to reveal his sources, but I don't I don't I don't have any deal that kind of stuff. I'm not smart enough for that. Okay. Fair last one on that can you at least confirm that you did not leak it. I can for that rich. Yes. I did not leak my own. Termination appreciate that. All right. We will move onto another topic. I appreciate you answering those questions. All right. Mike one of the things that I feel like Franken tangibly over here middle, AVI. Got me waiting in the long. My brother comes in here. Scummy waiting in the lobby. I know. Well, listen, it's too. Unfortunately, like, we could do solar. Podcast with you, Mike. I'm here to be here. I'm happy to be here. Well, this is I mean, you know, you have the beautiful cadence thirteen studios in Manhattan. Hopefully, someone's getting a drink of all good GM, shuffled subscribe, right review. Kek a keto one vodka bar there. So Mike one of the one of the I saw this Peter king's column today as I read, and it was about coaches after the age of sixty seven and what their records were in the NFL, which I believe is Bill bell checks age now at sixty seven, and you know, conventional wisdom would be that. You you have let me let me rephrase that you have to throw out whatever your conventional wisdom of is when it comes to what you perceive to be coaches that pass a certain age because nobody has the resume Abella check prior to that. So my question for you is one realistically, how long do you think? Bill Belichick wants to coach and to could he be one of the guys where there literally is no drop off into his seventies versus his sixties, fifties, etc. I don't think it'd be a drop off because every season for bills a new year and bills not an experienced short cutter. So for example, by that. I mean Bill doesn't say, hey, look, I've played buffalo twenty four times in the last twelve years. I kind of know him, I don't really need to do my homework. Disguise Bill starts he doesn't know buffalo. And so the process that that goes into coaching the mechanics that go into doing his craft is truly what he enjoys. It's a little bit. Like it. I talk about this in the book, here's a shameless plug for you, Richard. I call it the born to run theory. And it's really true. It's what really applies to Bella check. I've seen Springsteen play over one hundred times I've seen and he's playing born to run at least twenty five hundred times in his life. But we're Springsteen in Bella check or Similars is they do the same job constantly with the same passion. So if you take Malcolm, glad wells ten thousand hours, and you combine it with Bruce Springsteen's born to run theory. You have basically somebody who loves the process. That's bella. Check you go see Springsteen. You would have no idea. He's never played one to run before he plays it like, it's the first time you've ever heard it. And that's Bill check when the season starts when that he comes back from Jupiter after the year, and he's taken his week off or the Bahamas wherever he goes. And he starts again, he starts it all over. By the way, I certainly have to be the only sports writer who would take R Kelly tickets over Bruce Springsteen, I kind of feel like that's a good. But you're I mean. I mean, I understand that not the richest right? The rich normally mental age white, man. Just go nuts for spring since you are an anomaly in that respect. Well, yeah. I think he just called me middle age to be fun. Doesn't seem to be quite here's the here is the here is the last one year. And this is actually really interesting to me because I have no idea what would be going on behind the scenes, but you would given that you've been in these rooms, etc. So there's obviously a lot of smokeout that out there that ours owner cardinals are gonna draft collar Murray. First overall, they have a quarterback that they drafted last year in the first round in Josh Rosen at this point, let's presume that the cardinals know what they are doing does the cardinals organization tell anything to Josh Rosen and or his agent meaning are are those guys flying as blind is like we are in terms of not knowing anything or if they have made a decision to draft collar Murray. Do they do they do? I don't know how to say this do they is there a professionalism to let Rosen know that this is coming, and we're ultimately going to try to trade. You can you give me some insight into what? Player and his agent know about this. Why would tell you from what I would do is? There's no sense in telling his agent or him what you're doing up until the time. You actually do it. Now, I think he needs to hear it from you before he hears it from somebody calling it on the draft show, whether it's ABC SPN or NFL network. So you call him before you turn the car in and say, look, here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna make the pick on, you know, here's the reality and lay it out for them. But I don't think if you do it on the Monday before the draft, if you tell one person something you basically told eleven so then it becomes you know, it just gets spread. So you have to be real careful about what you tell players. Look his job. He's under contract. He has a deal. You know that he's got to honor that contract, you expect them be professional if you train them you wanna let him know before somebody else does. Interesting. Art, adnan. Is there anything else that you want to promote is there any other name that you wanna drop before I end this segment? Mike same for you. If if the if you have a long lost friend that you'd like to give a shout out to is that normally would. Yeah. I've been. More than a few here. Sinophile my podcast, which is the number one thing. Rich people tweeted to me after my untimely demise me spent what about the pod over the pot. So Sinophile will be coming back through cadence thirteen hope in the next few weeks opening for mid may. I know you're signed by the way, I first of all congratulations on the GM podcast doing. Well. I think I when I looked today it was like top fifteen or top twenty in itunes, or I should say pockets. Let me tell you what Sinophile is for cadence thirteen. That's when you hire a high profile talent who you hire that talent for a certain show. The talent wants to do the talent wants to do an absurd side project. Not just let you let the talent do the side project because you wanna let the talent be happy with the actual stuff that's gonna bring revenue in so congratulations on on on Sinophile. But let's be honest. You know, cadence thirteen Chris corker inter thinking one thing and they're like, all right? How can we? They said, let's get this pod. Then we'll just make them happy little movie thing, and they'll be. Right. Exactly a kid who gets his cookie Sinophile be returning. Hopefully, simply maybe mid may. I know you're hyped up for Aladdin so guy Ritchie's Aladdin films coming out around big may, we'll we'll Smith playing the genie look forward to that. So that's gonna be fun. And also, I've advocated in the past you, never take advice. Try to Adam mean, who's one of the great stars at ESPN it coming your podcast. Yeah. Max. You have interviewed. I mean for the gymnast she out of the pod. All right. Yeah. I mean is excellent. That was ESPN made a really great decision. Putting a mean with Rebecca Lobo and Carolina on their women's final four cards that you know, I think if you know ESPN would probably say it's best broadcasting team is maybe one of its college football groupings, but I think logo logo Lawson in a mean or as good as any game broadcasting group that ESPN s that's a cruise to cute. I think it was Lee fitting you did that kudos to him. Great team as good on your off there all through those people are sensationally close without him. But Lobo is fantastic. She's funny. So obviously, we love Steve Russian and care is a real study as well. So I wanna mention though as mcdonagh because Jason Bonetti was on the pod previously. And did Sean mcdumber impression his impression SOGA if you haven't heard it go back and listen to to riches palm Bonetti Jason Bonetti. Who is the voice the White Sox? You also does college football college baffles. Great mcdonagh. So we're in like whenever I call the cubs. Even Rick Sutcliffe, and we're at the bar. And I go, hey, give me your mcdonagh. He must have done. Mcdonagh like for a solid hour. He just he wouldn't let comedian will not stop the Joe good to see you to NAN well or things with you. And he just wouldn't stop. And so it's so good rich. I asked him I said, can you call me leave a voicemail of you as mcdonagh? And then I had dinner with Sean McDonough at Basle at the semi finals and finally given Dallas Shana got. Whereas what do you have there? And I'm like, you got to hear this voice Bill, and he listens to it's thirty seconds of this guy impersonate him, and he looks at me, and Sean this could be do I really sound like that much of a douche. Rich. I'll tell you. That's all the top five impressions that he has been. Everyone knows Bonetti does a great. Mcdonagh. Adnan. How soon do you think? Mike Lombardi is on the phone caters thirteen people begging for ryen russillo as co host. I don't think that's no no way. I enjoy it. Look, the the good thing is I can listen learn, you know, it's a good thing and McDonough I mean, you know, Sean, I thought you did a pretty good one there too to be honest with that was pretty good, actually. Yeah. That was that actually at and that's a sneaky good Sean McDermott is that guys what it means coming from both of you, take it. Let me let me give let me give more of the promo here, and then we can move onto whatever. My next segment is Adnan Virk and Mike Lombardi our co hosting a new podcast for cadence thirteen called the GM shuffle. They have already they've already put out a couple up Assode, including I know one with Peter King. So go to apple podcasts or Stitcher. Google play radio dot com. Wherever you can get this stuff. Download that you can see on this podcast. They have a ready. Great chemistry. And I think that these guys are going to be successful until Mike demands. Higher-profile? Joe russillo. Well, must Ritchie had McLean on who. Of course is a legend Canadians. Get my buddy cabbie on cabbie is an enormous store. We go way back to Ryerson. I've known it for twenty plus years. He's getting married. The summer get cabbie on the pot. If you want some Canadian audiences, he'll get you huge ratings. I I sort of like have to sort of do one Canadian every ten weeks, and so just because you know, it's still a US based show. So after think about who my next Canadian will be maybe Brian Burke or Caroline Cameron. I might have to stay in the Rogers family have to think about your big on your sports company. Company at and listen and Mike best of luck. With this. Cadence is great company work for as companyman at up here. But they really are good actually their producers are great. And and they will they treat their talent. Well, so I appreciate that. Thank you. Jemil's podcast as well. You kept making that clear Spotify. Right, but cadences actually producing I said, and I'm always transparent when there's some kind of a connection to a podcast I'm doing where I may work for them. Yes. In this case. Cadence thirteen my podcast company is doing yours. And as I said last time, they're doing journals. I mean, I'm very low profile compared to you too and Jamal, but we all are on the same role in the same boat. We we have access to the numbers already gonna see a spike with sports media. Liz, this is huge. We'll take it rich. Get, you know, get you one or two influence woken for that. Art, Adnan and Mike continued success. Thank you for joining me. Thanks, richard. Thanks, man. Enjoy second Cup. All right. It's a person who does not need any introduction for this podcast. John orient of the sports business daily sports business journal, and the the new newsletter that John and Michael Smith are putting out which is I mean, the it's captured the country's attention, John. It's the hottest newsletter out there that you Michael are doing really really good. Anyway, I think you have to be a sports business daily slash journal subscriber. But if you are, and you're listening to this get that newsletter that John and Michael put out during the week. It's actually really good. They go behind the scenes on some of the reporting, and it's written in sort of a like sort of a feature e style, I really like it. So no bullshit there. John actually the newsletter. It's been great keep it up. And and welcome to the sports media podcast the newsletter. We shouted out out. Sweet Miller Bill Hoff Aymer. Greg Hughes like every PR doubt. They're just about gets a shout out. At one point in the newsletter. And once again, Sean you've continued to set yourself up for future. Future leaks from from those places to get some stories. Congratulations. Whatever I can do whenever I can await. I'm sorry. ESPN doesn't leak. I was told that my bet right? Okay. Moving on ABC, John is based on your reporting. I think based on just what is what is in the wind so to speak. It's very clear that he SPN is going to be bidding big for an NFL package. The most interesting thing to me, though, is what role, and I know you been reporting this, and I know you're going to be reporting this as both of us will be heading forward as we talk now and today is April twenty third. Give me the temperature. Gimme sort of a prediction of of what you think. AB what you think ABC might get when the NFL ultimately divvied up its packages. I don't think ABC has any interest in the Sunday afternoon packages. I think it comes down to sort of really inside baseball broadcasts reason, and that CBS owns so many more local stations CBS and FOX on so many more local stations ABC, they don't they don't own many local stations. So it it doesn't make much financial sense for them to take over sort of Sunday afternoons and those local telecasts. So my view is ABC's really taking a look at the primetime packages. I think that they could you know, they pay double what NBC pays so in. They they could make a run at Sunday night football. I think that's unlikely. But that that they would get considering football's been the top rated primetime show on on television for you know, years running. I can't can't imagine the NFL taking that away from NBC or NBC letting that go, but I can see him looking at Thursday night football. I could even see some sort of high. Good where Monday night football comes over to the broadcast Cannell. So I think that you know, there the primetime Packers that are out there and ESPN slash ABC slash Disney has made it completely clear that they want ABC to be part of Super Bowl rotation and they won't ABC to be part of the alive. Sports arenas. I expect that they're going to be pretty aggressive over one or more of those packages. All right. So let's talk about this. 'cause this is pretty interesting to me. I think the NFL would love to have Monday night football on ABC. You know, it's a network the ratings the viewership is going to be up inevitably. But to me, at least sort of looking at that that would really hurt he SPN in terms of the value that cable channel, and that's far and away their most valuable property. Most watched property how much of a risk. Would it be free SPN to put that, you know, for lack of better phrase in front of the pay wall where you reduce in theory, the value of ESPN or? In twenty nineteen twenty twenty twenty two twenty twenty two that not matter. I think that there is a little bit of a risk. It is the most watched programming that that on ESPN consistently. But if you take a look at at ESPN the the NBA playoffs right up into the finals are on ESPN. The the college football championship is on as on ESPN all of the. College. Football bowl games are on ESPN ESPN still has with without you know, three hour window sixteen Monday mates year. They they still have just a tonnage of of important sports. That would keep people connected to to cable. So I I don't see it as an existential risk. But I do think that there is a little bit of risk there. One thing John that makes total sense to me is for ABC to become part of the Super Bowl rotation. I know that the SPN executives would be, you know, clearly over the moon if that happened the marketing might that he SPN would put towards the Super Bowl if you thought the Tim tebow stuff in two thousand twelve was was over the top. Please wait if if ABC SPN ever gets the Super Bowl, but I actually think it's it would be smart for the NFL in part for that reason. I think the first Super Bowl that ESPN ever got. I think they would blow it out like no other network would blow it out. I. They would pay essentially whatever the NFL wanted. So the only thing you really have to negotiate if you're in the NFL is is FOX and CBS and NBC obviously not wanting that because they wouldn't wanna push their rotation back a year. But like they don't really have any leverage to me John like at the end of the day. All those guys want the Super Bowl, and they're going to basically if the NFL says dance, they're going to dance. So to me again, not knowing what he SPN ABC will bid. I think that's almost a lock. I cannot see that not happening because I think it works. I think it's a it's a win win for both the NFL any SPN ABC. How do you do that? Put it a as what is what is Monday night. Football stays on ESPN, then would ABC in the Super Bowl rotation, then we'll tell you. But it's hardly lock. Right. Well, but here's the thing. John. Think of the year buddies with Burke Magnus, Jimmy petard. I know you guys go out to dinner kroth graduate magnet did not know that. Did not know that John John and all on a steep. I don't think there's a price ABC ESPN would not pay for that Super Bowl. That's why I think it's a luck. I don't I actually don't think I don't think there's a cost they wouldn't pay to be in the rotation. And if that's the case, and we all know the NFL at the end of the day usually makes its decisions on this stuff based on who who provides the best monetary package. I think they're going to get it. You know, what's fascinating about this conversation to me, Richard is I don't know. No idea because I'm not sure it's that fastening. So go ahead. Is anybody still awake out there? If if you go back to a year ago, and we were having this discussion or maybe a little bit more than a year ago. What the win when John skipper was around. I was going to bet that the SPN was gonna walk away from the NFL that they didn't see as as something that they really wanted. They were they were focused on growing sports like like, the NBA or or soccer of some sort one of the soccer leagues. But since Jimmy Petar came on board, the first thing that he wanted to do repair the relationship with the NFL we're seeing that the we're seeing that now with ABC going all for the NFL draft. I mean, I'm really interested to see how they how they do the NFL draft. I think that Kimmy the main thing has been to repair relationship. I think that their their schedule that they have the next Monday night is you know, probably better than they've had. In previous years. It still is the cable schedule. So it doesn't compare Sunday football. But it's it's a pretty pretty decent schedule with you know, good rivalry game. I DAL giants. Like, they have good sort of rivalry games in there. And I just think the difference this year, and we're ESPN is what you just said, they'll pay whatever it takes to get the Super Bowl skipper ESPN. They wouldn't have paid whatever it takes the Super Bowl. They would've had that. They would have that they had the leverage in the NFL show ABC to carry the Super Bowl that at some point. So it really is an interesting switch that's happened with with those two. The the the ESPN sort of POV and approached the NFL has changed dramatically. I think they did that obviously for business reasons. We'll see if they can sort still navigate that line between journalism on the NFL. And and being you know, an NFL rightsholder so far they've done a pretty good job. But we'll see we'll see what happens when that package know when that package comes up it the NFL the NFL bidding is going to be really really interesting to me, Johnny. You did mention the draft. That's my piece this week for the athletes, and I think they're going to do a great job on the draft. The one thing that if you're drafter that this year is better maybe than any other years just the amount of the amount of options that you have if you do the broadcast can be a little more entertainment based a little more feature based. But you have the college game day crew is along with Robin Roberts. So you have a totally different sort of approach and viewpoint to the drafts. A little. More flash more entertainment more, the journeys of the players versus how the players might fit into a certain team. ESPN broadcast is going to be it's traditional broadcast, very Xs and os. And then of course, you have the NFL network, which does a great job on the draft and has their own though. So I think the NFL is going to be site because the NFL is going to get a good view or ship number. I think it'll be down because his draft is not a star lead as last year strapped. But they're going to be psyched with what the coverage is. Because I think ABC is going to provide them with a little glitz and glamour that they have not had before. So so what you want about Petar? He has done the charter that Disney wanted and that is to rehab this relationship with the NFL the NFL saying the right things with ESPN, and I'm gonna still again, we'll John will. We'll we'll have this podcast two years from now I think ESPN ABC's getting Super Bowl. We'll see if I see if my. Prediction turns out to be a lock on. All right. Yeah. All right. Yeah. That's I mean, let's say I would I would bet that they got a Super Bowl too. I'm just my odds are worse than yours. But I still think having SuperBowl John top line for the NFL schedule. What what stood out to you to me? The Britain is not a big surprise. But the Browns have become a national darling. The NFL needs to bears to do. Well, five now prime time games for them. And you mentioned earlier in this podcast. I thought Monday night football got an excellent schedule. The great thing about all these PO schedule stories like you've done is every network executives going to say, we love our schedule. Great job in the NFL. But but the reality is actually thinking SPN got a very very good schedule. Yeah. And the thing that I'm looking at is. I thought he has got a good schedule. I thought that the Sunday night football schedule was was really good. The thing that really interesting is across flex, you know, where CBS getting traditional and and games, and the NFC is so strong here in the match ups are so strong this year that CBS ended up getting many more of those cross flex games than they had in the past. And that's a guess to me next time, the rights come up is there going to be an AFC packaging NFC package, or is it just going to be like, you know, boxes buying a package antibeach buying a package, and I think what? NFL has answered yet. I don't know if they didn't look into it. But I think that by the way that the cost has been growing over the years, and that's something that could potentially happen. Yeah. I like the cross lex. I know CBS likes across lexin. You know, what maybe that? I think that's the way in the NFL to make more money. If you if you eliminate the AFC an NFC as packages and sort of just do some kind of combo platter. You can be able to charge networks more for both. Because of the fact that I think. Fox would pay through the nose for the NFC. So they weren't just to make sure that they have big markets there. But yeah, he made a even and everybody paid more. You could get more. I think. Yeah. It'll be interesting to you know, they're gonna have Dhabi's calculate lake. Do they think viewers will be impacted by you know, they always sort of if you're in? And if you're in an NFC city, you've always been used to having your game on your FOX affiliate, and if that changes, but again, I think in twenty twenty one where people are getting and watching the NFL in so many different platforms. Not sure that matters anymore that you're you have to change from FOX to CBS, you might not even be watching on conventional television or cable package. Our before we get to the RSN's, which I know you've been working on for a while. I do want to get your top line thoughts on what you made of the CBS WNBA deal to me. I think it's great for the WNBA. I don't know what. CBS is paying them. I'm sure they're paying them some kind of fee. I don't think it's a it's a time by or anything. But I think it's really really good for that league to get another major network involved in their content. I think that league is really obviously a big women's basketball fan. So I I'm sort of bias here. But I like any league John that has the best players in its sport. Like, it's the top league in the world. And the WNBA is the is the best in its sport in the top league in the world. And that's always that's always a property. I would invest in for the long term. I'm sure it's not a big dollar play for CBS. I think it's a win win for everybody. Yeah. I I hate to calling things win win. But I think that makes that might be the case here on the I I've gains primarily came from NPA TV's ESPN will still have its it's games. And they'll CBS sports network will have its games. I'm sure that CBS sport. I don't know the specifics of the deal, but I'm sure that there's a at least a small that CPS is bang for the NBA they're establishing relationship with the new network that they had that they really haven't had relationship with in many years. So that that works out. And they're really trying to get more live sports on their on their and whatever it takes to bring it over. And they know they're not going to get like an NFL package or an NBA package on CBS sports network at least not right now. But this is a package of you know, the TV has always talk about you know, the the bar test. If you're walking by a bar, and you look up, you know, have studio show on or do you have live sports and people gravitate to that live sports? And I think that's that's the way the TVS sports network is looking at this. You're gonna have live games with one brands and. Alana della gun from from the Washington mystics down here. I mean, they're they're good games high-quality games. And I think that they think that you know, your hips not going to go through the roof. But I think that they can get a good core. A stable group of sport. Yes. Forty live the NBA games. It's a multi year deal. So that's always actually good for the league if they could sort of extend beyond and yeah, we'll see again. I'm I'm with you a CBS sports network is not rated. So we couldn't even tell you what the viewership would be for any CBS sports network property, but it's not gonna be massive. But again to to have a relationship now with CBS sports. I think is good for for both parties. And so that's sort of one to watch. But I the WNBA has a lot of really, really great athletes. So I'm I'm glad to see that they're getting a little bit more a little bit more of exposure. And push our John the ARA, San the are San story is going to change. We're taping this on April twenty third and from your reporting, whatever you discuss now could honestly be different by the time. People. Start listening to this podcast Wednesday Thursday, Friday, excetera, the last thing that was reported might have been your reporting was Sinclair has placed the biggest of the bids for the you know, the FOX our sense said it'd be more than ten billion. They they are considered the front runner, obviously, given their sort of might and weight where where does this stand now? And if you had to handicap it how far ahead is Sinclair at the moment. Richard what I'm going to? And this is all done 'cause I I've been dining on this story for for for quite a while where the where the tail end now it looks like. Process and the next twenty four hours from one post is really going to tell us whether or not in clear gets clear putting the biggest bid or whether there's goes. You know, liberty in clearances. Okay. You know, you're it's a two horse race. Now. You know, let's let's see what what what you can do to sort of your your offers. I think that the problem within clear is that eighteen on media my summer, and they they really rankled a lot of people in federal Washington. Some of the regulators and in that poison the well for them to have such big such a big purchase. Now. Go through federal regulators federal regular. What's? And if that's the case then liberty still sitting there in the offing liberty did not have as a bit. But they have a pretty significant bid, and they have people like John Malone, and Greg Masai, and and MLB is is partnered with them. And so it's you know, where the tail end if I bet right now, that's Claire gets it on. That's that's. Anything can happen. And thing about John Malone is he knows how to close these types of kills. You know, we'll we'll see how that works out. We we don't know yet. And it it's a fun story to be reporting on John confirmed. This for me, I think this is the case when it comes to Sinclair how they sort of put their sports programming. I know they have the tennis channel they think they have ring of honor believe they were going to do. They're going to be part of whatever the cubs sports network is they they are generally speaking, my correct about this sort of their sports presentation is going to be different than their news presentation. I I think, you know, very, clearly I think they have a certain POV when it comes to news. But at least from what I've seen, and again is sort of my I don't have the clear here. So my minimal sort of look is that the sports division is is clear from or very different than the news division or you. Tell me basically is what I'm asking. Yeah. The need to a very conservative bent to it was of they've on tennis channel for about three years now. And I don't think anybody can see any any into politics coming in their their their sports. Yeah. I think that one of the things about Sinclair, though, is their local stations that they own you know, that, you know, they're now going to be able to go to distributors like Comcast. And charter and all the all these other cable and satellite operators and say, okay. We have our local station we have tennis channel. And now we have an artist end to go with it. And all of a sudden like the negotiations to try to to to Jim all of those onto the cable systems. It's going to be interesting to see they have a lot of leverage going up against the going up against distributor a lot more leverage. And I would say somebody liberty has. The last one I wanna hit. And again, if there's anything else you wanna hit before we get out of here. Please let me know. And that was this threat this Twitter threat. I saw from Abigail Disney who I believe she the daughter or the granddaughter of ROY Disney, the founder of Disney, and she really I think smartly aggressively poignantly. Went off on Bob ideas. Twenty-eight teen compensation sixty five million or so in relation to sort of the rank and file employees at Disney, and I tweeted out there. This is sort of my thought that. You know, if you're if you're on ESPN or who's been laid off at a last five years and UCI compensation don't wants doubting Eiger success. Obviously, you know, one of the one of the one of the claim CEO's of our time. And he certainly put Disney agree position. No one's arguing that. But it'd be very hard for me. If I was one of these people who was laid off two years ago to look at Bob is compensation and to sort of try to rectify like, hey, why why did he SPN let me go with my ninety thousand or one hundred twenty thousand dollars or forty thousand dollar salary, and I just wonder again from your world, and you cover sort of the business more than me if you one saw this Abigail, Disney thread and two if you correlate it all to. Yes. Bien? Yeah. Disney thread, I found it to be interesting. The thing about executive competent comes Asians. And you know, I it it was not your salary. It's going to like I'm going to defend sixty five million, which I'm not defending. But it's a that becomes station is if not standard in the media business it happens. It happens a lot. I think, you know, David as at discovery at com station, I think exceeded one hundred million last year. Getting really the ESPN. I think that you can do that with, you know, Stephen a Smith New contract like while p makes you know, whatever he's gonna make you know, and they laid off people two years ago. It's a big issue. I think executive compensation it's it's something that a lot of companies and boards of struggle with. But it's not unique to Disney it's not unique to to the media business. But, but it is something that when when you read Disney that Disney thread, it it it is something that's just I opening and I think he makes a lot of good points. That are very, you know, populous points that that that I mean take a look at the re tweets on that that really seeing that resonate with a lot of people. Yeah. I mean, listen, it's it's an I I understand that CEO's a sort of at the end of the day, you're worth with somebody pays you get that. But there's. A lot of in that in those positions your shaping what your salary is. And it's very hard to swallow to see the numbers that Bob idir is pulling down when again there are layoffs throughout his company. It's just that is a it feels it doesn't feel it. Just it's incredibly, greedy, in my opinion. I think the point the point that Disney was making was when was that. You know, you go to the lowest level employees, and they're making, you know, just a hair above minimum wage, you know, right there. Could that could really use that that kick? And here's the thing. Like, and this is, you know, I'm sure somebody Disney would say this is fair. But like, I expect better from Bob Igor Disney. If you're gonna walk the walk and preach that your company sort of stands for certain values, which Disney always has then I feel like you see you gotta walk down including the salary. There are companies that don't sort of proclaim the same kind of things that Disney does just absolute capitalists. They they're they're they don't apologize for their for their greed, and that that I agree with it. But at least they're sort of transparent, and honest, I agree sort of where it makes on fares is you can really go down the list of media CEO's, I meant cubes. I agree. Yeah. Yeah. No. I agree. Listen trust me. I worked for many years for Time Warner time Inc. And I saw the guys at the top of my company. I mean, they were basically stealing money. I'm not gonna lie John. It was pretty gross. You know, we'd have layoffs all the time at time Inc. And these guys were just pulling home, not the not I gr- money, but but still millions of dollars and that's pretty hard swallow. I'm I'm of the belief that a company's CEO should be whatever six seven times more than the lowest paid. So whatever it should be a number that's more realistic than than what the what the numbers anyway to longer discussion. And you know, I'm sure I've lost. I'm sure I've lost some people in the Disney. From listening to this podcast somehow, I'll get through the day, John. Is there anything else that you wanna talk about before we get you before we get you out of here? I'm good. I'm good today. Any other podcast appearances that I should know about. I have not been contacted by Jimmy traina. And and I didn't say something what about Glaspie Gle or Bryan Curtis or anyone else who has. I just want everybody. Now, I'm open for business on America's podcast. You know and anybody who wants to call them come on. All right. Your your Meyer your shameless promotion there to put yourself. John John O rand is the media reporter for the sports business daily and the sports business journal checkout, his work. He will be all over this RSN store, by the way. John let me let me just sort of before we get outta here. Mike McCarthy of the sporting news reported that Payton. I, you know. My sense is because McCarthy I feel like has been writing about this forever. Probably got it of that. Peyton Manning will not be doing football. Do you have any have you heard that any confirmation but McCarthy put that out there, which means then we are not too far away? I think from ESPN making a decision on whatever that booth is going to be. Head which he broke it on Monday in it checks completely. Right. Might only put with with Mike report is that I don't PIN did approach manning wanted to see meaningless going to do it. I think anybody that close to paint manning knew that he was not gonna take it. I mean. Yeah. Describe this. As long shot is is to give it to many too good of odds. This was this was something that was written about a quite a bit. And it was never close to possibly happening. So so the fact that he's not going to do. It is hardly a surprise to me. But I did find it interesting. That's that ESPN did go and to me, this is what we talked about earlier with Petar trying to improve relations with the NFL. They wanna get good and they're going to pay for good high-quality talent to do Monday night football. And they wanted to send a message. Yeah. Allow got so public, but it was never very. Yeah. Very smart too. Very smart to approach manning. Even if has no and quite frankly, very smart whoever leaked at to leak dad because it makes the SPN come off that they're swinging for the fences. But yeah, like you feel like Peyton Manning was going to take a broadcasting job one. That would have happened in two. I think he would have taken a non ESPN job because I think he could have had network job, which I think ultimately. Might have been more appealing for him. But again, one to watch to see if it's just a torn McFarland or if they if they add a third, I do think territory McFarland they're coming back that would just be my guest. And then we'll see we'll see if they add third or if they just go with with those two. All right. John Lewis thing with the thing with Romo ruined it for everybody because you know, correct in the past Peyton would have come in the studio show for your two. And then maybe the second or third team on FOX or CBS and sorta worked his way up to the to the top spot. But now, it's sort of you know, let's get him. And let's get him in that top spot, and there's no top spot to be filled at CBS, FOX or NBC. So so it would have had been ESPN as he was going to accept that smaller role, which I think a lot of people don't want to do. They went happened with a with Romo. Yeah. And if you're if you're whether you're Peyton Manning or Whitten or whoever else now, you're inevitably going to be compared to Romo, and you just have. Sort of accept that. And have. Be able to work around not sort of getting obsessed with media coverage reading Twitter and stuff because you know, you're going to be compared to arguably the not arguably my opinion, he's already established himself as the best NFL NFL analyst of all time on television. So that's Peyton Manning. You probably don't need that headache, you already, you know, you're Peyton Manning. You've got money you can sort of do whatever you want. I don't know if you need to come in and sort of deal with those comparisons unless you really really want to be a broadcaster. Anyway. So we we just gave Mike McCarthy initial shout out there for three minutes. John have an excellent day. We will all be watching your Twitter feed to see if if you're if you're right there with the arson breaking news story. I'm I'm rooting for you. I hope that doesn't get dropped in someone else's lap. Banking on their own whole hog. Yes. Unlike me, John I'll just be watching the Maple Leafs in the raptors with no interest in the arson story are John everyone. All right. Thanks, john. Thanks, man. All right back in the studio. Real quick. My thanks to Michael bardy. Adnan Virk and John ran for their thoughts. If you like this kind of content head to the sports media with Richard I page, please leave us a review and a rating, and that is how the that's how the podcast sticks around the guest before this group, Djamil hill, and Rick Reilly, I think you will find that episode really really interesting Ron MacLean of hockey night in Canada, Jason Bonetti of white socks in ESPN on his resume before that Renee young Paul Heyman on life in the WWE and Paul Heyman explaining how one can pull off effective communication, and if you've ever watched professional wrestling, very few people that are communicators than Paul him. 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He's got a new movie out called what they had song Hilary swank, Michael Shannon's coming out in theaters this coming Friday. So look forward to that. Do we have as far as the elements back is an every man set up this week. Dan stands because people are clamoring for that. I. Heard people clamoring, you know, long weekend. There was in Chicago, went to the Notre Dame game in salt bend, Indiana. I'm all over the place. People can keep Claire Mering. Yeah, I have nothing for them this week, a review of touchdown, Jesus perhaps, but no review of no, yeah. I review the Notre Dame offense and sluggish. It looked until the fourth quarter. The last movie I saw was a star is born. You got my thoughts on that last podcast. He's podcasts are common. It's a lot you they don't eat. That's not true. He saw those tweets coming. You saw them passports in defense up. People are wondering about that not this time either, but I did get to watch the YouTube series Cobra KAI. So I could kind of wax poetic a little bit about that. If you wish. Well shell that for the health covert guy may make an appearance at some point. I feel like we're letting you down here Ben lines. We love Ben. He's got his own podcast lines, then gas one me and Rick aren't bringing any of the table in terms road segments. You know, not letting anyone you're carrying anything though. For this week. He's not. He's busy with the lies damned budwood check that out on apple one, great podcasts. They're very entertaining the latest. One had Richard Schiff, you know him from the west wing good stories that are fairly quite a bit with lions. So check out the latest podcast of the lines. Then rural rolling though, by blasting into space with I man one of the most anticipated movies of this fall, and I thought it was absolutely tremendous Damian Chazelle director and this this guy is now three for three whiplash. She makes a small indie movie, which wins j. k. Simmons in Academy Award. He then does Lal and this big lavish love letter to Hollywood. He wins best director the Oscar for that, of course, did not win best picture. Moonlight won best picture while the bigger shockers of all time. And now he makes this film. I man which I. Thought was a real dazzling work of art. I think what is most impressive about first and foremost as the technical skill involved, it's well, I think if you really love films, you'll appreciate stuff like the sound mixing the sound editing and the cinematography incredible and his direction is amazing, and the directing is a lot of extreme closeups really focuses on the faces, but then oftentimes focusing on this immense machinery that the spacecraft's are and all the little minutia that goes into all the details. I couldn't imagine how festivities he was with the details. It just feels like there's so much. Orientation with this. And in fact, NASA was heavily involved. They had technical advisers, etc. To get all the details. Right. But first and foremost, I suffer from terrible claustrophobia like you guys. I can't ride two-door car and there's no like rear door. I can't get in that car like there's no way the real most recent. I tried to three years ago to get to an airport, and it was my cousin. Music is getting the back. Like, I don't know if I can do that. And literally it was. Half a half a mile halfway down the road. I'm get a dog at my head like sticking out the window if ever were stuck in an elevator may Rick. I'll tell you guys just are punching me like just just beat the crap out of me. I want to be unconscious because I can't take. So you're just claustrophobic because you're not a big man by any stretch of the imagination. Right. When I got an easily get in the back of these vehicles, you can get any. You just can't handle being there mentally. Correct. Like I, I wanna head to get a root canal, paralyzing experience like paralyzing, like you're upside down. There's lots of stuff going on your noses plugged. Oh, well, I can't. I can't. I can't breathe hyperventilating. So when I'm watching this movie because you've matching spacecraft that I couldn't last medication, you're going to be on one of the best scenes. They show Ryan Gosling. The g force this stimulate thinks is maddening watching. I was getting uncomfortable. I was getting clap. Ovik watching this movie. Appreciate difficult is with these. Astronauts must go through its honestly. It's transfix ING and admirable and. Roic and all those words. You can imagine the so few astronauts in the world. You don't appreciate this is like beyond what athletes in terms of actual training to do this and beyond just the the mental capacity and how smart to be at to manage all the different situation. So the stories about Neil Armstrong, of course, the first man to walk on the moon, and I thought did a smart job. It just focusing on the most pertinent decade of his life. This isn't like, here's Neil as a five year old. And here's Neil is an eighty year old. It's like, no, no. Give me the space stuff and give me the good stuff. And while it is technically dazzling, I think it's noteworthy that she's tried to bounce intimate as well in a movie where you're focusing on something, what's what's bigger than being other worldly than being the first guy to walk on the moon. But he also keeps the movie grounded and focuses on the relationship between Gosling and his wife play by clarify, who is certainly a Oscar nomination for supporting actress in over from the Queen. But here she shows all the inner turmoil in frustration. She feels because Neal is a really taciturn guy. They overcome some family tragedy early in the movie, an actor that he just shuts down. Not a very communicative guy, couple of nights series playing with the boys stop, but as far as a husband and wife relationship, he's just really not an emotive person. So one of the best movies before they actually go to space, you know, they have this confrontation. I think it'll be her Oscar seen so to speak that he'll get nominated for that. They'll show at the Academy Awards, but I thought that it a good job of showing that human interest along with. Like I said, the technical razzle dazzle the natural question becomes, where does this rank of the other sports movies or excuse me? Other space movies. I think it's better than gravity. It's I'd watch before then which of course, when best director Ralph owns a call too early to say it's up there with the right stuff or Paul thirteen. But I think it's in that vein and I think for gossiping's performance. I mean, what's notable here is that because again, the movies about grandeur about big, he goes small, you know, he's very minimalist performance. I don't think he's going to win an Oscar. I'm now worried he may not even get nominated because it's one of those performances that so subtle in recessive. There's no scene where he just gets to let loose and like. Sell Sean Connery and Unum. Dog there's no series bragging. He's on the moon. He's always really quiet. And one of the reasons which is l. cast him is he said he can do so much with his eyes. I mean, if anything, Ryan Gosling oftentimes wearing the spacesuit inches to close up of his is trying to navigate the terror, what's happening around him. So I think it's an excellent performance, but it's one of those performances that isn't very showy doesn't very flamboyant. It's not some of the ostrich generally recognize on like a guy like Bradley Cooper stars born, who I think is a favorite doubt a win, but I'm giving it form believes that I man was a great filming experience, particularly I'm access where I enjoyed it. Devon was also in the theater. He joins us now with heartache Devon. What did you think of? I man, I loved it. Like you said, the audio mixing that was that was the thing that got it's very dark movie, so you can't really see like going on. So the audio is really, we saw an I max. I said, we saw it on. I'm actually need CNN max think how about like the actual launch several launches in the way, but like the launch like that. Gripping that ten minutes. And then you know, when they actually get into space and then they, you know, they're on the moon. The audience cuts out it's the score is also fantastic scores economic, but you're right. All this noise and this cacophony coming at you. Then all of a sudden quiet like it's the moon. This is it like, oh, my spoiler alert. All right. The past. What he didn't realise actually, the guy when he walks to right, if fair pump password case, you're wondering spoiler alert three to, yes, they do show walking on the moon. I also by the way, speaking of controversy will Cain is not going to watch the movie. I know some conservatives very upset about this. There's no shot of planting the flag. I'm amazed at this is become a talking point, but we'll told me everybody's Sary's winning. I'm not gonna see that way makers. I thought duck in the movie or the shooting. The wedding early was great, I, but I'm like, well, maybe we can catch a ten thirty show and I was inviting will and his wife to come along. And he was like, not. I can't see that. Like what he's space you're out on Gosling. They don't show them playing the flag. I'm like. Is that seriously talking points like, yeah, I'm not going to show that's very America that when like, wow well to each his own, I guess. But I wouldn't let that dissuade that from seeing the movie. But speaking of box office disappoint relative expectations, seventy million dollar budget. I mean she else to get a big opening and it only made sixty million lost badly venom and a star is born stars Boras. We've discussed every white woman in America's seeing multiple times, so it's got great staying power and venom. This Subaru movie, okay, you'll get pass discolor up your computer. The drop for venom is not as for superhero movies that got killed with the critics. Fifty, six percent drop. Actually that bad. It's going eighty. Two hundred theater, a stars Boras holding very strongly. So I man comes in and it gets beat soundly against both of these movies which are not their opening weekends. Now I did read Argo very similarly to, I man opened around in that fifteen to eighteen million, and then because athletes held strong through Oscar season and then winning Oscars and reaching the hundred million. Dollar Mark, but this is definitely concerning. I man. Another story read is that a lot of young males which was shocking to me are not opening weekend goers as much as other demographics, meaning I definitely targeted towards males in young males, but if they don't see it opening weekend, they'll just catch the next week. And whereas I suppose let's say young females, they're gonna go putting week and if they're not into the opening week and they're probably not going to have to that, I can attest to that because that's kind of my philosophy too. I generally don't go opening weekend unless I really wanna see the movie, like Halloween this week. I've got my tickets for Thursday actually had a chance to see it tonight, but I have to work. So I lost my chance to get a preview screening of it, but that that philosophy does hold sound because you know, we tend to do other things than go to the movies on Thursday or Friday or Saturday nights. Therefore we're missing the opening weekend draw, but will catch it later in the next weeks. And also the point out, like you said, it came out against venomous stars born to very hyped movies that were coming out this year. I think it would have benefited. I said on Twitter, responded to one of our followers that he asked Jonathan boss that are asked, why did it bomb? I said, well, because it was just went up against too much competition. You go into very height movies, even though they're in their second weekends, they're, they're gonna, make the money. And even though this one's kinda hyped people wanna see it, it's not the box office, booming draw film. This is the Oscar bait film that normally comes out around November December. So they're gonna hold it in theaters for a couple of months. It's going to have a nice long run leading up to the Oscars, so don't don't cry too many tears for a bad opening weekend. This thing is still going to make a lot of money. It's just not gonna make a lot of money right now. Cinema score only going to be plastics audiences, right? The way which is a little bit low as well as me a little bit considering the movies about to fifteen. It was all too slow for some people to Mark. Simon wasn't a fan of the only two and a half stars. Ben lines texting me and he. Wasn't crazy about it. So maybe it's not everyone taste, but I loved it. Not people check it out and should have put the flag in the movie layers. Part of it did not gross well overseas, which I'm like, we'll see. You should just all American audiences and plan to flag this big jingoistic film because nobody in China wants the movie. Anyways, see, took out the flag, nobody cared. Bergen I talk for living while we all talk. There are millions of skilled workers out there like construction workers or utility repairman, or solar technicians who make their living as doers. They keep the lights on the roads paved the water flowing. They're the unsung heroes who keep the world moving. 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I mean, we I was talking with some other bad movies so far this year, this brutal the year, nine thousand nine nine the either twenty per century teenage sisters Celestin Eller survive seismic, violent tragedy. The sisters compose performance song about their experience, making something lovely and cathartic out of catastrophe while also catapulting Celestis stardom by twenty seventeen. The now Thirty-one-year-old Celeste is mother to a teenage daughter of her own and struggling to navigate a career fraught with scandals when other act of terrifying violence demands our attention. I'd been. It's pretty good blurb. Sounds interesting, right? It isn't. It has all the worst instincts of movie like this, which is to say it's over the top and it's melodramatic and her performances just a mess. I mean, I, I think it might do okay with certain is that like Natalie Portman and I understand they're trying to pose questions of teen idols and fame and divas and what all that means. She did get good. Us at Venice, a best case for nearly Parvez. Maybe she gets them talk for best supporting actress, but as a movies, all it was definitely disappointing. I do. She's a good actress, Melissa, we loved her and black swan. She's obviously make movies in the past vox Lux vac vox Lux, which is about a school shooting, which then turns into a straight at teen pop idol is not a movie that I would recommend. I'm only giving it one maple leaf and also stars, Jude law who lasting I loved him to weak call. Dom Hemingway coming two years ago. He played this gangster. I love that movie. None of people saw it, but Jude law's may better work. And so as Natalie Portman now, it's time for a special guest. And a real pleasure to welcome in Robert Forster, legendary actors in so many great films over the years. And we'll dive into some of those. He has a new film called what they had starring Hilary swank, Michael Shannon, Blyth diner, and many more. Thanks so much for the time today. Robert, you bad, then thanks for calling. Well, so this story line is very heavy at the origin of brother. A woman returns to Chicago to visit her father and mother. The latter now suffering from Alzheimer's disease. I hearing the movie is getting rave reviews. I can't wait to go see it myself in New York City and a couple of days. But when you get it film like this, which has such deep themes, I'm curious about the process while making it. Is it a situation where because the themes are so sobering, it's a serious set ordeal the other way. And he tried to offer some levity in between calling action. Thanks for. That's a good question. This movie was written by a young woman, her first movie, but at one the Nichols prize given by the academy, the motion picture academy for a great script. She attracted Hilary swank and Michael Shannon and Blythe Danner, and the two guys who produced little miss sunshine. This movie has both tears and laughter. It has plenty laughter and I remind people at a hundred years from now when they show this movie, it'll still have tears and laughter. And if there is an ingredient that that art should include it is that it be good a hundred years from now. It is a, it's a picture that on the set, you know, actors get together with a little preparation. It's a was a short schedule. You jump on the set and you assume intimacy. And there are wonderful moments of the script that are that are serious because she's, she's she's in a moment in life when she needs care, and there is so much Umer. This is a movie that when I read it and then when I saw it reminded me of movie there liked a long time ago that I didn't see for a long time, but people kept telling me how good it was. Great, big fat wedding. And when you saw you realize why people loved it, it showed you they were in their own family. It reminded you of who you were and who your family members were and you and you have to be Greek to dentist with that movie. This is a movie like that. It is wonderful and it is heart lifting and is tearful, God. It's a good movie. I have never looked. I've been working fifty two years. I have never had as good a job as this. I've never had as good a part as this. Jackie Brown was good. Good for me and medium. Cool and reflections golden eye. And some of the fun ones like alligator and these movies that I am always proud of. But this one I will be proud of and and I can only tell you what they had is one of the great movies in my career, a fifty year Hollywood career, what they had the best. I cannot wait to see, Robert. I want to ask you about Jackie Brown, which you did site. I don't know how you did it, but in a cast with such big names extending Jackson, Robert deniro, Bridget Fonda and Pam Grier roaring back to prominence. You walked away with the movie. Remember watching going man. This guy Robert force was the best part of the film. I was so thrilled for you when you got nominated for an Academy Award this world weary bail bondsman, who's in love with this woman? Tell me all about that film and how you're able to knock it out of the park. Well, you will probably own my ex wives. No, this Jackie Brown white. This movie had great writing. I am the beneficiary of my whole career of great writers. The actor doesn't make it up. The the writer gives you something to do and say, and present you on the screen in ways that you know present you wonderfully and roic and all whatever it is their purpose. But Quentin Tarantino was the guy who wrote that and who gave me the part. This part was sought after by every big actor in Hollywood, it was the maybe the best leading wells supporting them. But it was the best character vet type that year. If Robert mitchum or Humphrey Bogart were still working, they would have had that role, but I know that it was, I know that there are other actors campaign for it and Quentin Tarantino. And I know this to be true. Said, no, this is Robert force tres role. I had been out. I had had a five year s ending career and twenty seven years slipping sliding dropping bouts at the bottom. And when I was very at the bottom, Quentin Tarantino came along in a little coffee. Shop yelled Adam. I say, come on over here and he came over. We, we Bs for a while. And then I said, what are you doing? He said, I'm adapting on Elmore Leonard novel rump punch to a movie. He said, why don't you read it about six months later, I walked into my same restaurant where I always have breakfast every morning and he was sitting in my chair and before he could even get to the chair, he lifted up the script and he handed it. You'll many said, read this if you like it. So Quentin Tarantino did all the work. I got all the credit Lisbeth chump goal for what they had. Did all the work. I got all credit. The other actors. Of course are wonderful and and they in themselves, they have great parts. This is a wonderful movie with characters that you will love and find common with and cry with. And last week it's a wonderful movie. I cannot you how great after a fifty two year career. In this picture, this is the best of the bunch. I can't wait to see what they had. One of the question of Jackie Brown, how much I know the character max cherry loves the Dell phonics. How much did you like the Dell phonics. That's great. See though it'd be good motif. These are from my air from my youth. You know, these are the kind of things that when not my youth, my real use was Boni Maroney and rocket Robin than all those novelty songs of that era of the fifties. But the Delphine ICs were were hip and smooth and the kind of thing that max cherry. I only discovered when he knew that Dan Greer like them and you know, you can understand that easily. Have you ever had a director talk as fast as tarintino and offering direction onset or is the opposite of what I think he is not is frenetic is sometimes you see him on television, but he is very direct and very clear and simple his best direction. And I heard him give it more than once to actor me and other actors was just make me believe the primary ingredient is that the audience believes the actor and so all the other things you may have to do in a scene absences and exits and moving props around and whatever else there may be. You gotta know what the writer wanted with. He created this little fracture the film that were shooting right now and and and you've got to deliver it is. As clearly as you can. He is is a kind of a guy once in a while he would hand the piece of paper that he had just re stood over there with nobody bothering him and just printed a few words a couple of wines or a little different to aligns try this the next week and you know, you'd read it and absorb it and and and try to then deliver it and bingo, bango and our done. Let's move onto the next shot. That's movies are shot. You don't shoot a movie. You shoot a series of shots of finite number of them in a on a on a workday fifteen, twenty shots eighteen shots. And he just this is something that nobody is ever done. He's everybody on the crew and cast a shot list, you know, twenty shots, and these are what we're going to try to get through day. And with that knowledge, everybody knew. How to pull in the same direction. We're gonna get these. Everybody is on a team trying to get those shots preparing for the next shot. This guy was really, really good, and and he was he was wonderful to actors. He made actors confident us a great director. I think making always affected my daily life because I was closet smoker. It really sort of controlled my entire day. My boss is the one that recommended jewel, so I decided to give it a try. You don't get any of the odor of smoking. There's no ash all over your car. I would say give it a try the flavor and satisfaction of smoking without the mess of cigarette. Asher lingering odor, which to Joel checkup j. u. l. dot com. Slash sports. If you don't smoke or vape, don't start warning. This product contains nicotine. Nicotine is addictive chemical. Doc robber foresters new film is called what they had makes you check it out. Also co starring Hilary swank and Michael Shannon, hey, of all the movies, Robert. How about reflections in a golden eye? Elizabeth Taylor Marlon Brando at a young, Robert Forster, how cool was that? Wow, I was I was that scared somehow. I didn't listen. I figured the only ones who had a right to be scared producers of the other actors because they knew what they were doing. I did that I showed up there and I remember being tolling naive. I saw in the movie script that the character that I was playing rides, make it on a horse naked on a horse. I thought to myself. I wonder how they do that. Probably trick photography or something. No, when I got to the sect in Italy, there was we got to the set here was a guy sitting on a horse naked riding around on this horse, and they said, holy man. Her. Let's supposed to be me that some attention stunt guy or actor or I said, no, no, no. I went to Jon Newsome. I said, you know, I can do that. He said, can you really Bobby? I ensure I can. I can do that. And he said, and the next thing I know that were jobs department gave me a little v cut out of Jack strip in some flesh colored tape for my modesty. I couldn't get it on very well. I got it on my jump down the horse. It came off. I threw it in the bushes, and I said, Bob, if you cannot do this, if you are unwilling to give this this moment abandoned, you better quit being an actor. That was a moment of truth. And, and you know, you have those kind of moments. If you are afraid to ride this horse naked you better quit. And so that that was a scary moment. But I remember thinking yet trick photography, that's probably how they do it. John Huston brushing by the way I love Dale. They Lewis and there will be blood and somebody will say he's doing John Houston impression Churchouse either you can you can delve into whether or not that's true or you can just give me more of John Huston pressure, Robert, your choice. When I met the guy, I don't know whether he was doing John Huston person, but I have done a few words in the Houston. When I first met him, I waited in a lobby, they're all kinds of guys. They all look like me and I said, God, this is a, this is a kennel call. I knew what the word was. They just never been in one, but I saw all these guys in the hotel lobby. Finally, when they called my name, I was escorted up the elevator. We wait outside of a door. Somebody leaves, I'm scored it in. I'm introduced to this tall guy. What have you done? What if you Don? I said, look, I haven't done much. I did one Broadway play wasn't bad. I don't make myself an actor. I never did the movie. I know what the tricks are, but if you hire me give you your money's worth. He says. Way race star, a big producer way come in here Ray. I'd like to me then I or and I'm thinking, who is this guy told her, I only did it once. It didn't want oversell myself and she can't with the with the with the producer a turn back to John Houston. John nuisances you'll be hearing from all I figure that's the kiss off. When when you hear you, we'll be hearing for you'll be from us. You'll ever get from anybody in any event. This guy gave me one of my great lessons in movie making two days later. I was on the phone with them, the ancient to range of telephone call. I say, now, look, I thank you very much for hiring and I appreciate it. I said, but doing member told you, I never did a movie says, I remember and I said, well, well, if he says, reading my mind, he says, I'll give you some instruction idea again about a month later. Here in Los Angeles at western costume were doing the constantly, and I go stay to say, look, they they, they sent me the script and I read the script and and the you said, you had some structures for me, what are they? And he says, but not yet Bobby. Well, until the morning we start shooting. I asked him, what are these instructions? Finally on the morning, we start shooting. He says, and we, I drive the car. I said, I get out of one foot out the back door when from behind Houston, say now's the time bothers I say, shoot, I'm all ears. She says, go take a look through the land, and I walked to the wins and I looked through and I turn to him and he's got his fingers in that way director show you at the frame line is and he says those the frame lines, I said, yeah, you mean that line that shows the cameraman what the audience sees. He says those other. Frame lines now ask yourself this, what needs to be there in one them remark. This guy gives me the responsibility and the authority to put inside that frame. What needs to go in there. He didn't tell me all the other things and I won't make it long, but he didn't tell me with the that the writer need something there and I didn't. You didn't come out with, you're gonna do the detective work. He didn't tell me what the that the light guy wants to be in or that the one behind the ones has gotta be. I gotta be inside of his frame or if I do something wrong for sound, they call and they say no good for sound start. Again, the actors got to create a stroke which advantages everybody's needs at once everybody is your boss and you, you'll something to the other actor. You'll something to the guy who's cutting this picture and editing this picture. If you going around the curves of this. Of this roller coaster car that we've trying to get our audience in give right. And if you're not believable, they won't be there at the end of the right. You'll something to everybody, including the guy who hired you. You gotta be ready so that you can help them make their schedule. Every single day is a war day. Gotta get all those shots. And John Huston gave me my best single piece of advice ever. Those are the frame lines now ask yourself this, what needs to be there. That's five great storytelling from Robert Forster, what they had is this new movie couple more than I promise. We'll let you get rolling. Tell me about sheriff. Truman in twin peaks was your favorite part of that character. He was a straight shooter. You know, I've been hired to play straight shooters good guys in, and I think that that may be what my the end of my career is is going to be like I played good guys for thirteen years, and then I played a bad guy in delta force, and then I could not get out of bed is for thirteen years. Every job I had was a bad guy and Jackie Brown gave me the the, the good guy that started off the last twenty years. This is been twenty years since Jackie Brown, and I had twenty years of good guys, twenty years of playing straight shooters and honest men and and good fathers and all the kind of things that I always thought I would like to be playing as an actor. You don't know until you start, do you what you're going. Do you just have some vague notion when you started? I thought God, I don't want to be a lawyer. I think I'd rather be an actor. I wonder how you do it. I did a play by accident at the university of Rochester. I follow the girl into into the the auditorium. I said, I struck by lightning. I saw and I walked in I, she walked into the auditorium. I followed her into the auditorium. I met the girl I, they didn't give you the part that I thought I wanted the part of the. The part of the guy with the goal suited in the name of that musical mutant not the music man, something else. We mean Saint Louis. No, it was a fun news ical, and the anyway states stick Bob, you'll meet the girl. I did beat the girl. I married the girl. We have three daughters and and that was the Genesis of my wanting to be an actor. I thought I don't want to be a lawyer. I'd rather be an actor. I wonder how you do it and you don't know what's going to happen to you. But over the last twenty years, Quentin Tarantino put me back into good guys and for the last twenty I've been playing for the most part good straight shooters and and and Truman sheriff. Truman. David Lynch gave me that kind of part to play wasn't strange. It was a grounded, good guy, and I enjoy. Playing those kind of characters kind of character play and in in what they had a father who is fighting for his his, his wife wants to love and protect her and is at odds with the children who do not want it to be the way I wanted to be. It's a, it's a family fight of serious movie with on awful lot of humor. Cheers and laughter. Last one for Robert were obsessive Michelson who is co star in what they had this film as you're talking about. He's so great because he's playing these villains and I just love sadistic can be filmed, but I imagine in life is nothing like that. Tell me all about Michael Shannon, Michael Shannon is nothing like that in like he is the guy when we do the q., and as you know, plug in this picture. And when we do a screening and there, several of us are sitting in chairs is always the guy that gets laughs is always the guy that is understated. He is one of the really good guys that I've ever met and I've done. I did another picture with and we did a grand theft Parsons about food fifteen or seventeen years ago. And so this is the second time we've worked together and he claims that if I if I last long enough, we will do another one. I love it what they had. It's a new film. Robert Forster Hilary swank Michael Shannon, blatant or insiders ever. October nineteenth, Robert, these stories were phenomenal. Naked gyna- horse, John Huston tarintino. I loved it. Thank you so much. You're such a Gente and free. She ate it. Robin Hood is an investing at that lets you buy and sell stocks. ETF s options and cryptos all commission free. They strive to financial services worked for everyone, not just the wealthy, none intimidating way for stock market newcomers to invest for the first time with confidence, simple and intuitive, clear design with data presented an easy to digest way. Honestly, Robin has been great for me. I found it so useful. 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Let us know your thoughts and him and what are the guess you'd like to see Sinophile ESPN not often that we dovetailed into television. Here's a little bit for you better. Call Saul season four just wrapped at one point I thought about putting on the show just because I've realize it's never going to be breaking bad. And obviously that's a lofty comparison. That's one of the great dramas of all time, but breaking bad. I'm starting to get frustrated because I just found it was too much character. Noth- plot like solid, very interesting character, but maybe he's better supporting actor and shouldn't actually be the lead of the show. I mean, there was so much skepticism around the show. It's amazing people to pull four seasons out of it, but I just wish there was a little bit more to it, and I wish that the wheels returning a little bit further having said that own cursor related actor and I like the way he plays Saul. It's really well shot. So this whole team, Vince Gill company that did breaking bad to still got great locality New Mexico, and I thought resi horns character is really good. She plays Kim wax the female, and I think he's an excellent actress. I hope. She gets other roles offered away because of how good she is embracing, excuse me and better call Saul. And you also get some supporting roles, obviously get Mike trout. You have Gus fringe, but obviously the whole situation is what if we ever get through right back in the show how awesome that be. But I do think the show is worthwhile if your fan of breaking bad if you like the slow burn to it, I'll give it to nap. Maple Leafs. I'm not. The finale is really good of season for and it's only thirteen episodes it's on AMC which also the other brother noted drop more f bombs. Now they're kind of get a little more risky with the languages. It's cable TV. Why not better call saw not sure if you're watching it Dan standing, but I'm very surprised season four. Yeah, and that shock. Where are we in terms of best spin offs ever like you're not too wild about it, but razors probably the razors heavyweight champion. What else do we have in the mount Rushmore of spin offs? Because I can't him and other one. That's four seasons. Yeah. Normally they're always a disastrous. The worst whenever has to be Joey right trading Matteo doing that after the sopranos. Trivia, it's just awful yet to fund successful. Spinoff is rare Frazier's. The one isn't taxi, no taxes desert spinoff from taxi paddle has so was technically spin off. And the jeffersons spend the Jefferson family. So the jeffersons mount Rushmore for sure was what's Jim Carrey Morgan mini. That was a spin off now. Tie-in with happy days because he had the character recounted Hispanic. So I think we can count more indie Jefferson's and Frazier better call, surely liver and surely as well. Happy days. So basically the happy Garry Marshall's the man for this. He's just great, incredible show gets us been ups, done, boom, better call Saul, maybe Rushmore, but due to the lack of other other candidates out there, maybe that elevates in terms of great spent classic air modern era, the modern era. Rushmore does if two separate two different categories. Also, the sopranos is going to have its twentieth anniversary January ninth of next year. So getting ahead of it signed to revisit the entire show forty episodes in which means in the middle of season four still holds up. That's the first question always with these series twenty years later. Yup, I forgot how funny. The first two seasons are the show gets dramatically darker and more violent, which isn't say, you don't have those elements obviously about the mafia, but the first two seasons really focus on his family, having this daughter meadow and Sunday and the relationship with Carmella forget how funny Polly's Tony Ceriaco is Silvio Dante was of course Springsteen's buddy, which is just amazing. This guy's in actually against the show, but like the first. Season came at a nowhere. Nobody knew what to expect with this show. And all of a sudden became this huge critically approved show. And then the second season start to build a little bit more and every time a great nemesis season to re Ritchie pro, she's in three is great because Joe Pantoliano shows up. He's amazing, but I think I'd forgotten just how funny the show was obviously was ahead of its time a forerunner of these great cable shows. And I think recognizes that you know, Bryan Cranston listening wouldn't have breaking bad if it wasn't for the sopranos. It was one of those great anti hero shows, and human is this guy who is capable of such monstrous acts. But in terms of favorite episodes of the went to Italy and season, two is really good and season three. I mean, the Melfi rape episode is still harrowing to watch. Also seamer ralphie kills strippers just brutal to watch. Interesting. Because you wonder now, could they get away with what they did twenty years ago. I'm not sure some of those things, especially the language. I mean, there's using a lot of very popular gay slur back then. I'm like, I don't think say that now, even though it's cable even with the mafia, people that sure about that a little squeamish, but it's still show. That holds up on. Obviously, I love the sopranos being somebody who appreciates the gangsters genre, Dan stains. If you watch the sopranos, did you not know big on the resume? Wow, never watched huge. It didn't have HBO grownup. Mark. Zandi wasn't showing off for that. Yes. So, yeah, miss miss that window never watched west wings. Another one ever tells me watch west likley savvy, Dory. What are these days? You'll get two weeks yourself. I'm sure vacation, bam. I'm going to binge watch. These shows you're right though. But same thing we didn't in Canada was Tim end the movie network, you depend like twenty bucks a month on that. So the first season I never saw and then I just read Entertainment, Weekly, and all these shows, oh my God, you watch the show, you lose ten pounds. Change your life, fine. We'll scrounge around here in college. Everybody's getting. Let's open it. Five bucks a month. Ten pounds to joke in the show was so great. Right. Oh, wait a minute. The hyperbole run of the show weird phrase before, like on the Canadian for his perhaps we'll see what the listener say tweet Sinophile you spend. Have you heard that. Oppression in relation some that you love so much passport sopranos, negative. I was a little too young. I'm thirty one. So I missed the boat on the age demographic for four. Yeah. So like breaking bad. The newer stuff is what I've kind of. Yeah, after two and the other thing is they were still doing very long seasons. I'm not mistaken, right? They were still thirteen episodes. Those were only thirteen they were on the forefront of the shorter seasons. Yeah. So down the line, it could be something I will watch eventually what would be the most daunting aspect of if I set you eighty six episodes eighty six hours. Yes, guy just can't do that. Well, I mean, I I can. It's just time there's so much content now. I think that's the big problem is I hear you fifteen years ago ten years ago. There's not as much really good gripping stuff. Now just watched Cobra KAI on YouTube red their stuff everywhere now. All right. As we close up shop here, we'll get to cover kind of sack. You get you get thirty seconds on berry semi on after I finish the sopranos. Why should law. Into berry Henry Winkler, EMMY award winner, Henry Winkler and Bill Hader both won Emmys for it. So right. There's your big selling you gotta see these two guys just work. It's darkly hilarious, and it's extremely gripping at times, especially near the end in the finale I'll give you that final five minutes and that finale is up there as one of the best. Starting season closers. I will say like first season enders cliffhangers is this tremendous. I think it's one of the best shows out there right on. I can't wait to see season two. It's only thirty minutes, right? Ten ten episodes episodes. Thirty minutes. Five hour five our couch, binge die. Once I finish the sopranos Forty-six episodes go. Do you think do I remind you at all? Bill Hader, our mutual friend Alison look like. Look like zero, you know, look like Bill later? Nope, just for the record the next. If I'll think of an actor, you look like remind me, but it's definitely not Bill hatred, Bill Hader looks. There's will Thomas in here. I'll put him out to that galaxy billionaire Alison. We love Allison, but that's very off-base. There's lots of people out there will tell you what smart and what's not smart. You know what's not smart jobsites overwhelming with tons of the wrong resumes, but you know what is smart? ZipRecruiter dot com slash Sinophile unlike other job sites, ZipRecruiter doesn't wait for cannons defined. You. ZipRecruiter finds them for you. It's powerful matching technology scans, thousands of resumes identifies people with the right skills, education experience for your job and actively invites them to apply. So you get qualified candidates fast nor sorting through the wrong resumes. No more waiting for the right candidates to apply. It's no wonder that ZipRecruiter is red number one by employers in the US. 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Plus, it's just kind of an interesting social message on this day and age where we're very much akin to. Not fighting turning the other cheek, like, don't be bullies, but bullying is maybe even worse now with social media and they really hammer that home and and it is kinda aspect of, you've got Danny who's teaching balance and positively and not attacking and really just kind of letting things go and letting things come to you where Janis reopening Cobra KAI. And he saying, no, you, if you wanna stop being losers, not being bullied and picked on, you have to fight back. You have to strike for show no mercy. And it's kind of like balancing this dynamic of what the original film really did, which was do you want to be the aggressor in be a bully, or do you want to be passive and let things come to you? But it kind of flips the script because the bullies are the ones that are passive and the kids being bullied or finally taken that back. So it's a, it's a very interesting take on the original film and I thoroughly enjoyed it. I was very skeptical at first, but. Once I got through about, I won't say episode three, I was all in school BRCA. Check it out. Coming up on the next follow. Have Rick pass. Moore's review of the new Halloween, nobody's more psych than he is. And thanks as always to our guest. Robert Forster was fabulous films called what they had. Also Tiber the gravestone creek, the Boston Globe, my buddy Mike, these ops and I hope you do more of that. I mean, get more film critics of fun to nerd out. I listened back to my favorite part is every time I kept fisting. Other scores says, he would say, oh, that's great. But no, not that he just me didn't did not want to bite until he was absolutely sure he had the absolute best says movie, which his mind was silence, which is the perfect answer, and thanks somebody rob lemme, who went back and watch vertigo. After all the discussion, we've shared your incentive fund, he loved the movie as well. So that just makes my day when somebody actually listens. And this is what I'm suggesting Tiber as well. Also, thanks to Barunholtz his movie. The oath is now opening wider in theaters. Passmore tweeted a little bit of that interview on Sinophile ESPN follow us on Twitter falls on. Instagram guest coming up. We'll be including gay Polski. He's a director of a new movie that Ben lies actually helped executive produce and also Ben foster leave. No trace has will be coming out. Also fingers crossed and Jonah hill, he's a director, new movie called mid nineties. Those guests immortal it forward to until then we'll see you at the movies. Joe miss out on the next episode of Sinophile subscribe to the Denver movie podcast. My clicking listen tab in the ESPN.

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Mario Van Peebles

"Great news. There's a quick way you can save money, switch to Geico Geico could help you get great coverage at a great price, and it only takes fifteen minutes to see if you could save fifteen percent or more on car insurance go to Geico dot com today and see how much you could save. These kids Sinophile nNcholas cage, very sincere group of film enthusiasts who are proudly civilized all my goodness, four baby apparently read the wrong name. This is incredible. Sinophile, Ethan, Hawke is on the professional actor direct for love. There's so much this world that's dividing us in music is one of those great tools at freezes together. Paul Rudd there's baseball and World War Two. It's kind of a dream Sinophile the Adnan Virk movie podcast. Dance. Why was it I still recording that would have been bold run the. Vio his my toes new to be charitable towards performances or barring that he needs to be stoned. Many will oblige Joshua Rothkopf of time out. That's his review of Mandy, nNcholas cage, his new film. As you heard in the open, you heard nNcholas cage talking. That was when I interviewed him at Sundance of this year and he was promoting the film Mandy, which is now at last in theaters, much of the joy of Rick pass more on new. It'd be all over at Ricky's review. L'amour tepid, though the MO might think get my view as well. Plus Michael Moore's new documentary Fahrenheit, eleven nine. One of the reviews when we win this week. Plus I remember what movie I said last week that I saw them and I couldn't remember because it was awful. I'll tell you all about that when the worst movies of the year. In addition to that, Mary van people's our special guests, that's right. New Jackson, he goes deep, tell some great stories, but that classic gangster film as well as new film armed which you can check on itunes, Amazon excetera, and of course going to spread the love to my man. Ben lines check at his podcast. Lines down on podcast, one of listen to feel them. Now Robert Dhabi was excellent. If you're big Sinatra, family me, he told some good stories. I also had John elfin recently Elsa, Gerry Ferraro talked Knicks. I mean, I'll Hassen was on and Michelle Gandara. Terrific. Who is the creator of the Showtime new series called kidding with Jim Carey. So check out all of Ben's podcasts really good and Gajah was a part of Sinophile to episodes ago once again checkup Benz podcast on podcast one, and thanks to all those who appreciate the vertigo review. Dr Julie, Grossman, we have some academia listening, so appreciate that. And also we had a very funny tweet which Rick pass more pass law rickety remembered specifically with the guy said. Not verbatim, but it had to do with you spoiling a almost sixty year old movie. Yeah. He said, I normally like your podcast, but thanks a lot for ruining the movie gave away the entire plot. First of all, I could see how engaged in was. So I didn't actually give away the entire plot the last fifteen minutes twenty minutes, which is arguably the best, the movie I did not give away. You're going to give it away. I can. I will only say this the best one of the movie is you shouldn't keep souvenirs from killing. You shouldn't have been that sentimental. He also called you selfish in the tweet, which I really enjoyed. It sounds. Which then led to a great barrage of tweets, a Ben Mankiewicz or buddy from TC merely tweeted, hey, dude, it's the sled references, citizen Kane people of spoiler alert. We'll just say Kaiser associates, Kevin, Spacey. What were some of the ones Lucas his father. So that was a lot of fun. I see dead people. I see dead feels he tweeted that crying game. She's got, you know. So there we go from there. So there was a lot all over the place. It was really good stuff. Sinophile ESPN is Ricky follow us on Twitter and you can see more of that kind of stuff before I get to reviews. Neil Evert is our guest reviewer out of nowhere. Neil just emailed me. I love Neil, and he just sent movie. He didn't even offer hope you're doing well, how's the family has just just, boom is just wrote Juliet naked. I love youth and hawk more often than not, and I really capitalized love him in this role. I'm with them on either. Knock, maybe because identify with is characters, overall exhaustion mixed with good nature and a big heart. Plus Chris O'Dowd is hilarious. And the leading gal lovely operation. Finale whenever Bank kings was on the screen I was engaged. I felt nothing from his protagonist, Oscar, Isaac caught the Gandhi factor, maybe a little something when he got Aikman a sign, the papers, this was an unbelievable story that should have resulted in a much better movie mission, impossible. Why do we love Tom Cruise so much? And we all know how bat blank crazy is because he takes us to places that make us forget how that blank crazy is black, klansman sickening and that its base no certain parts of this country thought and still think. And although I thought the Virginia add on at the end was unnecessary and gratuitous as good as Washington was driver, steals the show. Remember remembered always ask for real butter on your popcorn. I wrote back to him. And I said, I despise Tom Cruise instituted a personal ban on his work. After I saw Alex Gibney extraordinary documentary, going clear about Scientology cruises, aiding and abetting an organization that purports to help it actually promotes considerable verbal and physical abuse towards members who wished to free themselves from it's idiotic constraints, his unwillingness to speak out against the barbaric. David Miscavige means that will never spend another dollar in his films. Knoll, I watch even the films of his which I enjoy chiefly magnolia tropic thunder. This is a Stanton, no, you'll appreciate considering your hustle and one's taking Kurt Rambis to another coffee shop rather than by Starbucks, Neil despise Starbucks for the fury of a thousand men. He did write back. I admire your Tom Cruise, STAN, and you can now add to your cruise controlled posse. I knew of what you wrote just because it doesn't resonate with me personally does not mean I should ignore it. The Starbucks ban remains fully intact. Y'all says a review of the new film, Blake, lively, and a Kendrick. Kendrick is cute as a button while liveliest Sassine sexy, almost no poor woman's Kathleen Turner way. In fact, the movie is a poor woman's gone girl. I could've. Waited until I watched it on TV, but my wife was gung ho and last the he adds 'cause I can't wait for a star is born. I remember the Streisand Christoffersen version of stars born. It was one of those movies that touched my life for many reasons. I wanted to be k- k, Kris Kristofferson actually, I wanted to be his character in the movie minus dying at the end or even that was attractive time. Glad I grew out of that. Thanks Neil ever for helping us out. I don't know if Neal's ever listened to a podcast and he loves Tracy Letts and he sent me an Email because I heard you Tracy Letts in your pockets. I did because please tell me I can listen to this as it's incredible you think of all the stars, we get no disrespect to Tracy Letts, but you others would have been more appealing. Tracy Letts is where it's at speaking forthcoming guests idea with our buddy Barry. Jenkins a director of moonlight he will be on Sinophile at some point in future is a big football fans who talking to during college football, and I told him the trailer for if Bill streak could talk is hot fire, and he said, I appreciate that won the runner up prize at the national film festival. The top prize went to green room and we'll be having a her slowly back in the pockets at some point texted with him, the best. Supporting actor academy where we're from moonlight. So Hirsch and Barry Jenkins both making big news at tiff. I don't think we have an every man this week, but I would like to allow Dan sense to mention we that he saw which he was going to write for his every man, but it's just too on, inspiring guys. Let me tell ya. I watched boondock saints again on the train back from Philadelphia. It's not a good movie. I mean, it was one of those movies I watched with my high school buddies all the time, and it's this like violent vigilante film, not good though. I didn't want to invest any more time in the film waste the time writing anything. I just watched football. That's the trick of every man. Like he's got a rewatch something, then it has to write about it. But if you re Watson sticks, is he going to defend it? He's the everyman same same thing within defensive, and I probably would have to do a rewatch on it because that's one of those college films, like when you start school and especially when I was in air two thousand and five that thing you want to talk about hot fire that was in every film students like I own it. I have a blue DVD of it so I can. I can attest to. I was one of the ones caught up in it, but rewatching it outside of really outside of even the acting is good because you've got good actors rewatching. A lot of that it is. It's a, it's a first time filmmaker with the first time scripts. Like somehow we got a budget shot in Boston. There's a lot technically wrong with it. There's a lot of really bad stuff that you know a lot of angled, like line of action changes, things that just pop around, but it's just it's so quotable in a way with certain things. I think that's what helped lifted up. And you know, you got cult icons of Ron, Jeremy plays like some kind of schlumpy, like right hand man to the gangster and and and again, Defoe's just the an here comes a spoiler alert. So pause for three to one Willem. Dafoe is a transvestite eight FBI agent. You know. You know, there's so many weird angles that he's and but the phone, here's the thing. He owns up to it and he runs with it and he is fantastic in the role. It's just a really weird odd movie. And just a lot of odd choices done by. I can't remember the filmmaker on the top of my head, but one and if he ever, here's Duffy. Yeah, Troy Duffy. And if he ever hears this will probably wanna come fight because that's the type of person. He is pretty much of the movies about just fighting bad pretty much. Well, we're not bad. Yeah. So we skip out on boondock saints, football wins over that one, but maybe another every ban next time, like Comores new film. If you'll recall the last time he had raised when we call where to invade next, I gave it a lukewarm review. I just didn't think it was a Sparta, some of his other work and wanna Rick passports, chief complaints. I agree with which is that I didn't know how much of the information is accurate and that Michael Moore tends to play loosen loosened with the facts. Having said that, I thought l. eleven nine. His new documentary, which is the plan Fahrenheit nine eleven, which is claimed documentary made. I think. Is an excellent documentary and part of what's good about it is that you know as documentary takes a strong point of view, and you know going into this, he's just going to avert serrate Donald Trump at every chance he gets. And the first twenty minutes actually thought was good that rare for Mike Moore, I thought he showed restraint in not bringing out the carving knives immediately. He more demonstrate just that moment of time win the election happened, and I thought he'd told it in fairly dispassionate manner of just how remarkable it really was Trump's victory is you know the greatest upset in political history and showing not only rallies supporting Hillary Clinton, but also Donald Trump and just how confident people where they Hillary is going to win. And he says is a great dissection. He shows all these different pundits in other George Stephanopoulos is like laughing at Trump's gonna win when when hell freezes over and everybody was civil arrogant about the fact that Trump wouldn't win. It's just amazing to go back to think it's only a couple years ago, but how everybody thought Trump win win with the exception of Michael Moore, and there's a clip of him talking minimum Faulk. News, I believe it was making Kelly the time who said l. Michael Moore saying, watch out, he thinks Donald Trump's gonna be like, yeah, even the Fox News people are laughing about it. She goes, no. He says he knows white middle class voters better than anybody the working class because they're upset. They're frustrated the Brockville and they're gonna vote for Trump and so more is a rare leftist who call the election news today. I'm certainly copy is going to win, and it's just amazing. I think just especially if you're not an American as I am and you're watching this unfold, you just see everyone just kind of appreciate this moment in American time. And then of course he brings it the carbon knives and just starts attacking Trump, which I found very entertaining. Because more if if nothing else isn't entertaining, documentarian, even if you agree or don't agree with him, he does know how to be an entertainer and even there's clips of Steve Bannon talking about them saying, well, I don't agree with his politics, but he's obviously a great filmmaker and Moore's voiceovers like, okay, they're trying to butter me up now. My enemies are trying to get the better of me. And even there's a scene of him when he was with Trump on Roseanne. And he said, this is the important thing about Trump. He knows manipulate the media even manipulated me and the exam. Apple was that the producers of that show had to go over to more and say, listen Trump down as want to do the show because it's user. Could you kind of go easy on him? Like what do you mean like, well, just you know, don't don't completely highlight them if that's okay. Just for the sake of the show and more listen, I want to do the show and obviously I love Roseanne. So it's going to help out fine. And he said, that's why I got played because then when we did the show, I went easy on Donald dominated. A couple of jokes made him look good. And now listen, I'm eating of the palm his hand rather than saying with stuff. I'd like to say. There's a funny moment even where Trump's to some of the effect of, hey, might makes right movies. I just hope you'd never make a movie about me like I just of my closet. And now, of course, that has happened when I think it was really interesting is that along with the predictability of skewering Trump Michelmore take shots at the left's as well. The left side. He attacks Nancy Pelosi for being out of touch. He attacks. Most Democrats are being far too centrists and he says that America, this is where I know Ricky disagree, he's shows a bunch of facts. Loves me more detail on this, but he says it generally Americans are more socialist than you might think. And he puts it on the black and white screen. It's like, let's say, sixty five percent of Americans are pro choice sixty eight percent of Americans are pro pro pro gay rights, seventy. Two percent of Americans believe in universal had Mel Medicare. So I mean, as he's doing this, I'm like, okay, where do you get these results where the statue in? But his point that he's building is that we are essentially a leftist society. And yet currently we have a very extreme right-wing autocrat as president. And the problem is that the Democrats have swung too far the right as well. And then when I thought was interesting, he took real shots at Obama particularly what happened in Flint. And I thought the strength of the film was the Flint water crisis, which is no, Michael Moore's hometown. And if you like, don't like his work, I'd recommend Roger me. I think it's a great documentary and really. From his heart, and it shows the humor and the sadness of what's happened to his hometown and what's happening fortune. So many of these great cities in the midwest is that it would manufacturing sector being decimated. There's just a huge issue of poverty and population droves just leaving away and he explained so that water crisis was so impactfully. Nobody took took aim at any just shows at stunning that Obama would be so tone deaf to this, but he's speaking there and he asked for a glass of water. He's starting to choke little bit, and someone goes and gets mcglasson waters c. looked like it was a kidding like you just you just completely stopping the fact that people are dying from the water that little if you get lead in your body, there's no cure for this, and he's completely ignoring the fact by say, look, I can have a water like we're frigging this thing out and you see people, they're talking, they're going, I voted for Obama. He was my gun that I was done with them. I, there's no elevator from again, and it's just interesting how particularly for that region of Michigan may have changed the election also because Michael Moore does love a good stunt. He goes to Michigan governor. And as the big truck of like Flint water, and he tries to go to his house, which is spraying is entire combat Flint and water everywhere. He also tries to have a citizens arrest when he has polls a handcuffs, and that's him as I'm here to do citizens arrest. This guy should be in jail. The things that he's done through definitely has those moments of provocation. But ultimately, I thought it was entertaining documentary as Rick is about to say, I don't know exactly if all the facts are true, which I don't necessarily know is critical for documentarian because I think you don't have to be even balance. You're showing your side of things. Clearly, his side of things is a strong opinion and he doesn't entertaining manner whether or not it's all truthful. I'm not totally sure. I have to look up some of the stuff, but I thought if you're a Michael Moore fan, it definitely hits the Mark more than it misses the part where I'm not with three believes apart Ryan. I thought he'd been more. They can chew. He searched compare Trump to Hitler. It's been our any. There's like a whole ten minutes about the Fuhrer comparison show, but even I was a little squeamish they're gonna hang on a second, like you annihilated entire group of people, and I understand you're trying to draw parallels in that you discredit the media and your. Autocrat and you blame your enemies, etc. Like even in the theater, I felt like a little bit. You have not really sure about this direction he's going in, but listen Moore's to take big swings. That's kinda we is. Yeah, that's one of Michael Moore's flaws with me as as entertaining he can be. He's been proven time and time again that he fabricates and he likes to do these stunts and even you look back to bowling with Columbine. Here's a whole bit about you go to a Bank and you open up a an account and you get a gun and he conned the teller into letting him take the gun straight out of the Bank like you've got it there. So you have to take grain of salt with whatever you're seeing on scream. I go more because at the end of the day, he's still a filmmaker. I would put that above documentarian more. I would say he's a filmmaker that documents things and and spews his opinion and the same thing with facts. And he likes and he likes to screw people over as well. So I can't like, you know, beyond politics, I, I don't think he's that good of a person. You've got stories of him trying to do stuff with. Trey Parker, Matt stone of south park and interviewing four bowling for Columbine, and they wanted to do a wanted them to do cartoon for the thing. And he said, no, won't do it. So he went and hired like this really low end, you know, team Vanna maters to basically do a copycat of south park to make it look like they did it and Parker, and stone rightfully were pissed off with what he did, and you've got this whole thing about the film festival going on right now that he helped found that he's now screwing over the people that helped them do it, and they're trying to get their financial retribution from and he's now he's starting to smear campaign them. So there's a lot of stuff with like like Tom Cruise, like you have a thing. There's a lot of stuff on Michael Moore that I really don't support whether or not you agree with them or not. I just don't think he's very good person. Bam, mic drop their from Rick passport. We move onto Mandy, which is a film Rick. And I both fired up to go say, unfortunately, it's scheduled it online together, but and plus we live in Hartford. So let's I mean movies are not coming here immediately. Thankfully, though VOD nNcholas cage will be on demand. So I it on direct TV. Did you see it? I actually bought it full price on voodoo. Get you fifteen dollars. Yeah. So go check out Mandy support. Well, the first hour of the film is awfully tough to take. It is puts the slow in slow-burn as I've said before, and I admit that there's visual artistry in it, but it's a bone thin narrative, and there's just not a whole lot going on, and it was really testing my patience. Thank the second hour is when it gets gonzo and that's when the case turns in a Nick cage. And if you're nNcholas cage fan, there's a handful of moments which are truly Nick Cajun. One of which is when he cuts this guy's throat. There's blood spurting over space, and he starts wickedly smiling and with glee relishing the blood pouring overs face. There's. Wickedly grins at a dead person in the car with him. And there's also the line of the years with lightest Roach, which, unfortunately, I can't say of the pod Rick and I both enjoyed it. This is begging for life. It has to do with a certain provocative act. We'll say it's just a great one hundred. I mean, listen, if the Philippine appear b. movie and just like gone Zalmay hem, I think I would have enjoyed it a lot more. They get the second hour had been the entire movie, then that's great. And I just know I was in for Britain to be movie. That's gonna be really ultra violent. I'm in when I saw the trailers and I'm getting the word. I'm like, this is this is one. It's the perfect Nick cage vehicle. It's exactly what he should be doing. But I again, you start watching. I'm watching when my roommate and I figure he'll be in on it. And I didn't think that take it as like a horror film as much either. And that's what he asked me. He's like is this is horrible because he doesn't like scary movies. So he's like, is this or film? Should I be watching this? I'm not going to have nightmares. You know, you're thirty four years old, you're fine. But he had like that first part, we're just watching and it's just and it's not just I wouldn't really call it a paper, thin narrative as much as it would just call. He's really testing the patience of the audience and allowing you like somebody on twin. I think they're on Twitter on a review. I watched a equated it to four play said, if you can, if you just deal with it at the payoff is great. But if you're not if you're not into it, you know you're going to, you're going to be tired by the time you get there and you're not going to be very, I it now you don't think it's appropriate. I do not appropriate all these films. Yeah, but that's, yeah, that's the biggest drawbacks and it's literally I was checking the time code is we're watching going. Okay, because it felt it did feel long. There was one shot where they're waiting for those, those demon monsters on motorcycles ATV's coming around. And they're literally sitting in the van and one guy just rolling up a window rolls down again, and he rolls it up again, rolls down slightly. Go to a different angle. They're still sitting there waiting, and then the tone starts to change in these these awesome looking hellraiser type, demon monsters. They, they look like like the FINA bites from two thousand ten look like an updated version of them. They come role in it and it's just there's a little back and forth. And they got a whole thing like blood for blood and all this stuff and like, okay, did we? We need ten minutes of van sitting to get there? Could we have just gotten there? And that's the and I think that's the biggest issue with a lot of people talking is that they, that's the biggest point of contention. Is it worth sitting through all of that to get what you wanna see or is panels just messing with the audience or does he have a point to all this? And I think it's think it's one of the things I've been thinking about a lot since watching it is, does this really like it's perfect film school fodder? It's it's something that's gonna be examined in, talked about. I think I think it's gonna be an important film for certain reasons. But at the same time I watch of, it's like what I really watch is again, I would watch the second hour. Absolutely. Literally from the hour Mark on the time code of the film from that on, I will watch that. That's why I'm happy. I bought it because I will just watch that over and over again. That's so great. There's a lot of weird stuff that happens in in near the end as well. There's things that just happen that aren't explained and you have to divulge it. I think I'd take when I texted you. I quoted it to like von Trier film. It's just very surreal, and it doesn't seem to have a point. So there is probably deeper meaning within it, but good Lord. It's just it takes so long to get there with some of the stuff, but visually it's one of those. Daring spectacles. I've seen for what they're trying to do with probably how much money they had as well. Yeah, cinematic Lee. So I mean, I I'm going to rewatch it. I'm going to have to because I couldn't stop thinking about it. So I'll give it that. So what what would what did you give it to Maple? Leafs? It does have lots of ambition and visual splendor. That's a good point. He's doing a lot with, I'm sure is a very small independent budget, but I just can't fully reward the film. I gave it to and a half of the time, but I'm, I'm going to hold my opinion to be changed later because it's one of those things I love. I love that second half so much, and it's such a slow on the first half, but the first half looked so good. I don't know how to feel about it. So I gave it to and a half tepidly, but I'm going to reserve the right to change my opinion later Golic juniors very fired up to see it. I don't know if he's a big Nick h. fan, but he mainly message me and Instagram can't went to see it. So Michael junior maybe will get his guests Mandy at some point, the movie that I saw that was absolutely terrible race mcadams, our girl Canadian awful disobedience, just a horrible. Film. It's I dunno if it's based on a true story, but it's about a love affair between two women which is consummated years after they were denied their feelings, New York photographer, Ronin flies to London after learning what the death of restraints father Rona is returning the same orthodox Jewish community that shower decades earlier for childhood attraction to Esti a female friend there for two and a happy reunion soon. Reignites they're burning passion as two women explore boundaries of faith and sexuality snooze fest. Rachel Weisz is the woman who goes back to see her Rachel mcadams. The woman who is currently married to Alexandra Nevada, who's like a poor man's Michael fast, the whole, like I just thinking they couldn't get fast bend or we'll get this go fast bender will fool people into thinking. It's fast bender that'll help the marketing, no terrible. Just a really boring movie budget of six million dollars. And I don't think it made a dime came out in April this year did get good reviews, rotten tomatoes, but I could not have been more board by, I'm guessing, richton Nazi disappeared. I have not seen it, but I've read a lot about it because. It was hitting festival circuits and doing very well on that that aspect. But you call it a snooze fest? Yeah. I, I think we're learning something about Adnan between this and Mandy like he does not like long plotting thrown out on times. He, he'll he wants you to get to the point and get to it. Now, here's Manila, darkish New York time. She's a great credit. The emotions are reserved the the pallet muted and the storytelling restrained in disobedience. Sebastian, Leo's frustrating movie, but female, desire and a patriarchal religious community. By the way, if you're kind of thing, the big love scenes our into the movies. So even if you're into that sort of thing, I still think it'd be disappointed with l leave it at that Mary van people's up now. Now, Yep, you guessed it. I'm a speed bump, so I've got one job. I slow you down. So imagine how I feel about Geico who does way more like not only could they save you money on car insurance, but they've been around for over seventy five years, giving people fast and friendly claim service. Ow. Plus they got an empty mobile app that gives you twenty four, seven access ow. I'll just doing my job buddy. Geico expect great savings and a whole lot more. A real pleasure here to welcome to a Sinophile, Mary van people's who's been terrific director for years now, actor and star as well. And his new film is called armed. It's available in theaters right now. It's also bailable VOD which means video-on-demand. Mario, thanks which the time in you welcome to Amazon and all the platform, no out and rock and roll with which I want to start with. Because I think that's interesting. In the past, you know, you always had to go to the theaters too many people and not me because I love going to the movies. That's my favorite thing is to go to the movies and to experience escapism, but they have people mareo saying, well, I'm going to watch numbers on Netflix. I'm gonna do something else. How important is it now for you particularly with armed in these new film? So you know what? I'm putting on every single platform out there. Whereas in the past, it was just enough to open on fifteen hundred screens or whatever it was. Yeah, you know, particularly with arms because I did the film independently, you know, you can see you saw the movie, so it's it's it's easy. You could say like it or not. It's not a water down film got by committee type of movie. So it's it's definitely a rough rock and roll independent and for film like that. You wouldn't be able to reach as many people as you can. And you know, it's not your traditional release pattern, but, but especially 'cause they're gonna be a lot of young people want to see it if they can see it online or you know the way they would watch that flicks for example, you, you're gonna reach a lot more people. I, we'll talk more about Arben just a second, but listen, I'm clamoring to discuss new Jack city in every single way, shape or form. You made it for eight million dollars a box of forty, eight million dollars. Wesley Snipes ice t on the great gangster movies of nineteen ninety one. And it was your direct to'real debut. Tell me everything about new Jackson. Well, I think you know, I I, there's a couple of usual things about one is that you know the regional script of new Jack, read limb like a like a black Scarface. I wanted to make it more of a multicultural untouchables as if you wanted people to be able to say no to drugs yet role models to say yes to so kind of like the untouchables and that you had Robert deniro still play the bad ass role, but against John Connery, Andy Garcia and Kevin Costner. You had alternate role months to say yes to an in new Jack city. The new Jack Inkster played by Nino Brown, Wesley Snipes. But you also had, you know, Russell Wong and Judd Nelson ice tea, and then I mix it up, you know? So it's it's, you know, Russell invasion at Nelson's Jewish Icees brother from the street. And then I made the prosecutor female, and so I like to paint with all the colors. But the other thing new Jack, which is very rare. In a gangster movie, you usually emotionally connect with the gangster, you know, and godfather, you got a guy with family values, and, but he, you know, kills people a little bit now and then and you know, but their crimes are victimless because you really don't focus on the victim in new Jack city. I wanted to make a little more complex than that. You would understand the gangsters truth. You understand it new, Jack city, cops truth, but you also see the victim and the victim was played by Chris rock who keeps getting addicted to crack. So in the middle of the hill, when Chris was getting addicted to the drugs, we have people in the eye and stand up and say, just say no, full just say, no. So in the context of against your movie to get your audience emotionally connected, not just with the gangster, not just with the new Jack tops also with the victim that was a, that was something that was was a tricky thing, but I think was really welcome. And and it made the film that much more complex AFI's ten top ten nominated gangster film particular. What you're talking about here is Roger Ebert serve you. He gave it three and a half stars into four Truffaut once said, it was impossible to make an war movie because the war sequences would inevitably be exciting and get the audience involved. The one side of the other. It is almost as difficult to make an anti. Drug movie since the lifestyle and money of the drug dealers looks like fun, at least until they're killed. This movie pulls out that tricky achievement. Nino who looks at the dead body of Scarface and laughs does not get the last laugh. Yeah, and and there's nothing glamorous about the scene. I Chris rock in that alleyway doing those drugs at all, and in armed for quick second to make a film, that's a thriller action thriller and yet not have it resolved with guns was also tricky thing. I wanted the resolution of arm, you know that he would have to sacrifice his cashier of military weapons or weapons of war if you will, and fight using his wits you that the that, the solution and the problem was to some degree both in his head. And so I think that's a various stop survey shin is that that there's certain things that translate on film very well and action is one of them. So how do you solve that and how do you do that? What you've gotta show alternatives? You gotta show you new, Jack cops. She's gotta show what mental. Illness looks like on the inside. You've gotta show not not soft pedal that crack alleyway with Chris rock either. So you know, that's that you chew foes, actually hitting it very, very right. And that's that's a tricky thing. Armed right now is in theaters. It's also I tunes video on demand. It's everywhere checkup. Mary van people's new movie. One of the thought of new Jack city. Mary, how aware are you of the cultural impact Lil Wayne and Tiga have referred to themselves as young Nino. Wrestler, new, Jack, got his name from the movie, New Orleans based rap label cash money records named after cash money, brothers gang, how wherever are these things. Yeah, I see that now that it's interesting to to make a movie that becomes a part of a cultural zeitgeist. Even my dad's movie feedbacks bad. I saw made in nineteen seventy-one irony there that that you know that twenty years later in nineteen ninety one, his son winds up making new Jack city inside the studio system. My dad had to make his movie outside the studio system. So you see that people embrace it. Now, here's an embrace aspects of film, but here's something that the the lack pant is pointed out about my dad's film feedbacks better. So they said sweet back was a little more complex because it was about a guy a street hustler who is starting to go up against the system itself. The movie that came after that where they turned it into black people acting in the movie shafts. The guy is working with the system as a private detective and then Superfly the guys drilling drugs against his own people for the system. So it's kind of an interesting thing is that sometimes the core of what a what is revolutionary can be taken out of a film and the icing can be recognized. And you know, if you look at new Jack city, everyone in that movie who touches cracker deals in crack, ends up dead, but still, you know that for people that are often left out of certain opportunities, you know, whatever we talk about someone's underprivileged weaned, someone else's over privileged. When you talk about people that underprivileged, they sometimes embrace villain or embrace the the game. Stew way of life. Partly because they don't have a lot of examples of people making a good living living inside the system. I'm lucky in that I make pretty damn good living in the filmmaker. I send my school, my kids at school as a filmmaker, and I don't have to do something. The far is to make enough money to do that. But there are a lot of people that don't have that option for those people. They're going to embrace sometimes the Valen or they're going to embrace something about the village. It doesn't mean that they say, when do everything villain does, but there's something about that villain or that the gangster that they will find attractive. Just like, you know, kids playing cops and robbers. They doesn't Essen you. They're going to go up to be robbers or cops, but there's something about the freedom of that that they find intriguing then accents now that's really well said, you're right. There's some that element of villainy. They just can't resist them. I don't. What's more impressed with the factor. Dad made sweet sweet backs banner song or that you then made bad ass. Which was about your dad's making of that film? I mean, I just thought that was such a creative way to do it. That's two thousand three night feel like it was fifteen years ago, but what what prompted you do that? 'cause was such a nicer Maggio dad and to what was really an important Phil. Yeah, thank you. I well, I just, you know, growing up and experiencing what my dad went through. You know, you know, by, you know, I didn't know his understand the War. I witnessed them the battles and eventually understood that he was, you know, breaking up in a system that was not inclusive. You know Hollywood, not multi call. It's more multicultural now for sure, until I easy to make a film with a mixed crew and go to, you know, and even see mixed people in front of the camera. In fact, going back to armed, you know, we have, it's it's it's a film with every color every race in it, but it's not a race Centric movie is about people. It's about, you know, gun issues, it's about mental illness, but it's also a kick ass thriller and that's the fun of it. So what my father did with feedback made it easier for filmmakers like myself to get out there and make. Movies. And then because because the way I am, I like to mix it up. So I always I'm pretty much an inclusive filmmaker, but to experience of me doing bad ass wasn't it wasn't just that I was putting myself in a similar position. My dad who had directed acted wrote in produce sweet cheap ex-pat saw them when I was doing the same thing with my at my film later. It was also that I found there was a lot more ahead in common with my father than I ever would have thought. And I was playing my father and someone else was not playing Mario or my position on the emotional chessboard and I was now playing my dad. So in some ways it was like psychotherapy on it was an incredible experience to do that. It was also the credible experience to play Malcolm x. in the film I'll e and I didn't direct it. Michael manned directed. So I've got, I've, I've, I've been able to to to bring some pretty. Compelling characters to the screen and and it's it's been, it's been a real real good ride. Yeah. Before we delve deep into armed, certainly the fact you've played Malcolm x. how intimidating was that? I mean, Denzel was so great. And of course there's so Merced and then you've gotta take on this role and like you said, you're Michael man and Will Smith is big time talent, but that's a tough challenge to do because it's Malcolm x. specific point in his life. It was unlike Denzel showing the pure trajectory of him. You're showing Malcolm in a very specific time. Yeah, and the thing was that was you know, my father had interviewed Malcolm when he was in France. I was working with Malcolm's daughter to play her father, humanize him as a father, and my two daughters were playing Malcolm Xs daughters. I'd also by that time, then panther, I really knew the time period. It was intense. I was able to do a lot of research and I was, you know, as you said, it's playing Malcolm diverse specific time. He'd already been to Africa. And prayed next to Muslims of all colors and were starting to think that it wasn't your color that was so significant. It's where your heart and spirit were. And so he was no longer staying in his box. He was starting to cross outside in unified and Dr king started across cross outside and unify. We know that when you do that you, you can become a little bit more of a threat. So if Dr king stays in the Baptist church. He's not a problem, but when you link up with rabbis and Christians and marches on Washington and takes a position on the Vietnam war or economics of the poor people's March, she becomes more of a threatened. They take you out. If Malcolm starts to think that it's that civil rights is in in America's really a human rights issue in his thinking of taking it to the world stage in going outside the box, you become a threat and they take you out. So I think there's a power to being -clusive in America. There's a power to not just staying saying just gonna watch my Fox News or my CNN Miami's NBC. There's a power to coming together and and and thinking and working as a collective in in in seeing our commonalities versus our differences. And that's very important, especially right now we have. We seem to be more divided, unfortunately. And that's not. It's not always coming from our leadership. So I think that if you make films that can make us think I'm not saying what we should think that films that go, whether it's Ali, whether it's panther, whether it's new, Jack city, if you could make things that films that make people think a little bit, that's a good deal, especially. But you gotta entertain them. I like Clint Eastwood said to me, we with me beat me, but don't bore me. And I don't think I bore. It's a great lie bag. A lot by Clinton armed is certainly example of that. I loved the opening. I don't wanna get away appeal, but that that first ten minutes because you're kind of sitting up, it's very loose, right boy, seven to the barber shop. And then all sudden some tension is there and stylistically because you're a director of talent who's done this for so many years. You know how to showcase this. Where did you get the ideas and how to showcase mental illness PTSD that whole sequence. We go back with throughout the film when he's struggling with the the bugs and such. But where did you get that idea? Mary, how I'm gonna show this visually. Well, I thought, you know, when I was playing with bad ass, I one of the most powerful bits was, you know, because writing is really sort of don't watch from the outside with, I thought was bad as if it take you inside my father's experiences, a writer, and him channeling and creating from the inside out, it would be it would be a pretty colorful intense world. And I thought the same thing here with chief my character that I played it. If I could take you inside his head inside his experience that it would be pretty intense. And so and I was playing with, you know, colors and metaphors, and some of the you can see influences Apocalypse. Now they're a little bit deliverance. Of course, if you're Sinophile, you'll see some of that. Well, it's sixty stuff. So I wanted to take you inside that experience, but not in a wacky suit of angular aggressive way, but with a guy who's really trying to. Force for good and do the right thing, and and you know, really wants to do better, and and people have come up to me after seeing. We just won the audience award with armed at the newer film festival, which is all real people. And people came up and said, I've never seen a, you know, a person, you know, not only finding the outside, but has the internal battles of some mental illness portrayed amicably be amicably and in some a little bit here O'Kelly by person of color. So that's just something we don't see much and I wanted to put it on the screen. The. In play a character that was really added in some ways that his wits end and really, really, really needed help. And and he gets, this is a tough question to answer, but I'm just curious, the stance on gun control because at times using these very effective montages about gun violence now erupting, and yet there's a lot of guns in the movie. And as you pointed out, it's an action thriller yet. It's not necessarily resulting in bloodshed. I'm just curious as a filmmaker. What were you trying to explore with the terrain of gun control? What message where you're trying to send, what were you trying to to accomplish. I arms based in real narratives. So even the crazy one where the guy has soared and he's, you know, and people come in thinking, he's torturing a woman and it's an accident. That's actually a real story. It was in the paper in the newspaper, the story of Charles Ramsey you discover the little girl that had been missing for ten years, you know, locked in the neighbor's basement. That's a real story. The Chris Donahue gotten shoot out in big beer where our movie ends and big bear's real story. So all these narratives your woven together. So I wasn't really, I was taking real incidents and weaving them together with a character. That's pretty politically pretty neutral. So I wanted to see the main character be neutral in the film. We have people on all sides of the gun, divide the gun issue, but we also basically agree on one thing. I mean, most of us can and that is. Easy access to medication and easy. Access to weapons of war are kind of their problem. It's a toxic mix, and we can also gre- that thoughts and prayers don't seem to be enough to stop these mass shootings. So we have to do more. We have to think a little bit. This is the midterms after all. So I'm not trying to direct them what to think. But I think it's important to note that all the things that basically happened in the movie, either things that have happened or that could happen what they're not outside of the realm of possibility there absolutely possible and is, and we have now just made his administration has made it easier for people with mental illness to also get weapons of war. I'm a gun. I still have my six shooters from my western posse. I'm there for gun owner. I'm not on the no fly list. However. And I don't have weapons of War. I don't have an automatic or something that could be shifted into automatic. So you know, I'm not saying we shouldn't. I and I'm not sa