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"adam curry" Discussed on New Media Show
"It doesn't feel right. So if the ultimate goal for everyone who gets in the podcasting is to make a living out of it, stop. Well, that's true. You probably won't. That's right. I've been doing this for over 40 years, not podcasting, but broadcasting. It's not for everybody. It's the same thing when blog started and Andrew Sullivan made a $1 million. And everyone was like, where's my blog money? It's just not going to happen. Find the find the value in something else. Find the value in the connections you make. The people that will respond and have friendships, these types of things, that's the reward. We've got to look at this from and I'm a capitalist and the world is changing very rapidly around us. And we're going to wake up and there's going to be a lot of things missing a lot of products are going to be missing and we're like, maybe diapers will be one. It would be prime. And we're going to have to learn how to wash cloth diapers again. The world is some pieces of other crumbling. And the idea that it's all just about the money. I don't even know if you want dollars at this point. I don't know if I want to get paid in dollars. So let's make sure that we always remember podcasting is not just a money making scheme. Podcasting is a communications mechanism that you can do almost anything you want with, and there's a lot of rails that have been put in place that say attach here and slide down. And that's what it is. It's the slide down, full of disappointment. Because the focus is on growing the audience, you know, the focus. I think it should be on maybe one day when I'm 65, 70, we should start doing the seminars or something. And I think we rob and I and you fully get that. I think we do, because we see the numbers. Yeah, no, I remember in the early days when I was writing guys, check for 7 bucks. It cost me more to process the check than it was the value of the money I was sending. And so it was some of that is still going on today, amazingly. The only difference do you remember the story I told you about the curry and the keeper show? Our first show. So I did the numbers. We made $17, our first show in pure Bitcoin payments. And while I think that's actually probably more than a lot of. Podcasts get who start off right out of the gate with advertising because they're probably getting zero because you have zero listeners. It was so not about the 70s. That's right. So about the little messages they send and the feedback, hey, we're going to pop open a wine and listen to the next show. That's what it was about. It doesn't all just have to be about growing the show making the money. And by the way, to round that out, Joe Rogan has an incredible amount of energy because I know he also does gigs around the country on weekends and he's got his. UFC stuff that he does, but to do four interviews a week is and to actually produce four interesting guests a week. It's real work. That's why I went out there..
"adam curry" Discussed on New Media Show
"Came to us, we have a best practices document. I don't want to build an API to Facebook. Because guess what? They change it. It breaks it. It's more dev time. I don't want that. I said, please let the podcaster just do their own thing. If they want to be on, let them submit, let them add their show. Don't involve me to send you someone over to your interface where they're just going to log in and authorize it to be on their page anyway. Don't do that. I told them not to do that. And they largely did what we suggested in letting them have a direct relationship with the podcaster. So I don't have to have an interface like I had to have with Spotify where the terms of service pops up and they agree to it and then we send a signal over and they send a signal back. It's all bullshit. They should have done it just like everyone else did. Make it like Apple, make it like Facebook, make it like everyone else has taken in feeds, have a manual submission page, and luckily they did. They test what they did. So I think I thought that we were supposed to be making it easier for the podcaster to get their distribution built. Okay. Okay, rob. I don't need to build that. I don't need I know you don't need to. And I can tell podcasts are click this link. This will take you there. I don't need to build that. Why do I want Facebook to not give me no money? So well, then why didn't we do that with Spotify? Well, we should have. So, but in the long run, the podcaster is going to tell us where they want to be. And we're going to try to make the accessible for them to be there. But to Adam's point, you know, we try to tell them what to do. I got a company name dealing with right now. I'm telling the same thing. Same thing I told baseball. And they said, we want to go to the API rail. And I'm like, okay, I'll get to you sometime next year. Well, Todd we're both podcast consultants to these big platforms and we've been that way for years, right? I know another consultation team. There you go. It's all your fault. You were the one that ever called your phone. Your YouTube and the slack channel you came in on. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink and I bet you if the Adam curry and John C devore consultation team was listened to too whether there had been millions of dollars in your client work with you as a client. Not workable. But we tried to tell these folks and, you know, it's, again, you and it's decision by committee. You know, you don't have a conversation one people. You have a conversation with 25. And it's like what I'm saying is if your customers need to get on Facebook, they can get on Facebook. Right. So rob said something very interesting isn't our job to help people get distribution. I think that may have been your job for a while in the old system where everyone you have to submit to everybody. I think that's kind of over. And there's so much confusion about your show. I'm sorry. There's so much confusion about how to get your show distributed. Everybody wants to be on all the listening platforms. I mean unless you're doing an excuse. I can't tell you what. Here's part of the problem, and I'm holding up a mouse for those of you there listening. We have podcasters today that don't know what the right click button is or this little scroll wheel. They don't know. So when they say to my support team, how do I get on this platform? We send them to a page. It talks about how you go and send submit your show to all these different locations. And we have to have this ongoing renewed conversations and public forums. Everyone, everyone thinks podcasting still push technology and not a poll. So that's a recurring once a week thing we have to explain to people. But I think what it is is you have content creators now that just want to create content. And they don't want to do it. Well, everything else. Everything else automated. So you and I, we grew up where that wasn't the case. We had to do a little work. We had to do 15 minutes worth submit to Apple and to whoever else we wanted to be in. 15 minutes. It's not the customers that I have to deal with on a daily basis right now. Right. Right. Sadly. Okay, appreciate that. We'll also add that I think the biggest service hosting companies have done to the podcasting world is the educational part. And that's what you spend by far your most resources on your most headaches and you probably also get your most sales from that route if you're doing it well as well. So that marketing. That's what it is. Well, where we're at now is I'm just going to make some I'm going to presumptions. I presume that blueberry and libsyn would love to be acquired by a big company who wants to do something in podcasting. And I'm just going to presume that as always in the back of everybody's mind because I've run companies and it's the way it was for me. So when the opportunity comes along and integrate with us, it's like, oh, I got a semi, because I was like, I understand. I really do. I think there's charlatans, assholes, crooks. They don't give a shit about you. Don't give a shit about podcasting. I thought the two women from the team were completely disingenuous under informed. I have no idea what they're talking about. They're very good at Facebook stuff. Absolutely. They know what they want, but I don't think that they were really done much research into podcasting and what it is, where it's going, what has happened historically. And what I see is there is a group a growing group of people who are working with the industry, those who want to, and I think that is a long-term much better relationship than spending cycles on Silicon Valley. Because they really don't care. And they will do anything for their benefit and they will kill you if it could kill you and make your multimillionaire. That's possible. So that's and so I'm not blaming anybody or anything. But I think that's what's happening. And there are a couple of hosting companies who are not historically don't have the same history who come from a different perspective, may have different legacy and their and they're focusing a bit more on what they can do with podcasting two. In my mind, having run large companies, public company, you get big companies involved in your company, it slows the shit down. It just like getting everything. Anywhere, we're exposed to that all the time, when we have a client that comes in, that's part of a fortune 1000 or whatever like that. It's not let's launch a show in two weeks. This we're going to launch this on 6 months and there's going to be 30 people that are in the decision chain and legal and everything else. So yeah, I get it. Well, I think there's also this level of complexity that develops over time too and as your staff grows and as the organization gets larger it becomes more wieldy to manage and to fund and to create that cutting edge innovation I think every company struggles with that. There's definitely a lot of creating. It's implemented. It's implementing. There's implementations to be done. There's just implementations to be done. And I don't think the..
"adam curry" Discussed on New Media Show
"As a new number, I think it's 760,000 or 780 thousand that are from anchor, do not have an iTunes idea. I believe that anchor turned off automatic or maybe Apple stopped them from doing automatic submission to them. So at some point within the last 6 months, unless the podcaster went and manually did it himself, he was an automatically getting an apple. So I could see that. And I also can see, remember, RSS goes around a long time before podcasting was. So, you know, if you think of all the uses of RSS and all the uses of the enclosure tag since 2004, there's going to be a lot of content out there that like you said is never made it into some podcast directory. Like apple pie. I think we have a lot of what's valid and what's good out there. I stand behind what the guys think is that we have a pretty good pretty good index. And here's the beauty that people can download it and they can look at it. Yeah. There's no secrets. It's open. That's been going on for a long time. I mean, the four years that I worked at spreaker, a show could be created on the speaker platform and RSS feed generated, but the podcast or the show never submitted to any podcast directories. It was just a live show, but it had our sesame dissociated with it. So there's just a lot of people that don't understand how to submit to all the directories. Or want to, or care, right? If they're getting listeners where they're publishing where they are today on their website or whatever, they're happy with that. My feeling personally is you shouldn't have to submit to any directory. It should be the director's problem. And we have a mechanism in place that every directory you can start a directory today and every podcast that publishes you will automatically be told about it and you can add it to your own index, whatever you want to do through pod ping. If anyone wants to see what that is, pod ping dot watch, you can see podcasts updating in real time. It's unbelievably cool to watch. It's like. The whole concept is backwards now. It's only to protect themselves. So the concept is we're bad. We own the app on the phone. Yeah, you can use another one, but trust us. And for many people who are in the Apple ecosystem that may be completely fine. They may love apple's curation. They're cool with that. They're not interested in going outside the box. Experience and history tells me that when you tell people the really good stuff, the dangerous stuff is on the outside. They usually go find it and often like AOL when they open up the web, they will just run out and drove to go get the good stuff. Which is porn. But okay. Yeah, I mean, if you go back and you think about the early days of the podcasting medium, the motivation for Apple to get into supporting podcasting and same with Microsoft and I was working on soon. Was to sell devices and to get a subscription platform grown around music. So you think about where we started with this medium and what's been happening over the last couple of years, Amazon's gotten involved, Spotify's gotten involved. These big tech platforms and now Facebook, the reasons those companies are getting involved has evolved. It's not so much to sell devices anymore. It's to build an advertising business or it's a motivation around building subscriptions to the music streaming platforms for Spotify. That's the motivation now. So as we think about the evolution of podcasting, what does that mean? That means that the big entities are going to push us down this path of commercialization, which is antithetical to the origins of podcasting. Adam, I mean, if we go back and we think about the early days, it wasn't about advertising. So no, it was about screwing the man. Well, so I'm still doing that. I don't understand because there's two new one existing podcast app, which is the apple, which is much less friendly, a lot of things broke with the Apple ecosystem, well documented. So there's another app which you used to just list to music. And now they're trying desperately to move people over to podcasting. When you say, what are we going to do about it? Fuck them. Who gives a flying fuck? I don't care. I really don't. It's so uninteresting because it's just fear. It's fear that is unwarranted. These people have no power at all. Zero power. What they're trying to do is they're trying to own the policy. Right. And they're trying to think about podcasting. And they'll do exactly what they did before like Google, though break it and throw it all away. Because they'll go out and say, own it and people are not interested in the interruptive advertising model anymore. If they don't see this, then they are just frolicking around and doing it just delete dallying just for the hell of it. Spotify has an honest to God vision. By the way, I don't think they said they had $3.8 billion to invest in podcasting and acquisitions. I think they said they had $3.8 billion to invest and do acquisitions. Well, I'm not so sure that's going to work. People do not get their entire audio experience from one app. They don't get there. Their office experience from one app. Yeah, you may be forced into it at your actual office, but people use Gmail and maybe Google Docs, but they might share on their pictures exclusively on Instagram, but it's all over the place. There's reasons, the competition is good. The idea, the hubris of these companies that think, oh no, we can deliver it all to them. He's a short sighted thing. It's not going to work. I guarantee you it is not going to work. Spotify has yet to really make any money. And now, the comedy guys are saying screw you. They have a flawed business model. The business model they have is where the product they sell the price can be raised at any given moment. They have no control over it. It's a horrible business model. And so now they're trying to do it with some free audio, I don't know what they're doing if they're putting ads in front of podcasts that have put have just been put up there. I have no idea. I tried to buy some and I couldn't. Because it's not interesting to the listener. I do not believe it is very successful. I really don't. We don't have any true numbers. I just telling us whatever. But in podcasting, he's not the top 1000 shows. It's millions of beads, millions of things out there that have different value and are consumed with through different apps for different reasons. Spotify doesn't have the kind of sound processing that cast thematic has, Spotify, misses many of the features that overcast has. Now it's gotten down to. We're competing on the right stuff here. We're competing on features not because they got a big swinging dick and it's oh, it's Spotify, but really, I feel like you guys are pussies about it. They need to be stronger. You put development cycles into bullshit stuff. In my opinion, with Facebook, which to me is like, okay, but then don't tell me that we're not doing enough for podcasting two, because you made a choice. Well, and by the way, I know why. I understand why, but let's just be honest about it. There's work to be done. People make choices. Everybody makes choice. And it's interesting, let's just talk about Facebook for a second. So on Facebook.
"adam curry" Discussed on New Media Show
"adam curry" Discussed on New Media Show
"So there's also an effort to unionize at I heart right now too. So I don't know if you guys saw that. So there's that element to it, but I wanted to go back a little bit in time here. But I can mention a little bit about this transcription thing. Tell me about is the unionization important because that is interesting, perhaps. I don't want you to step over it if it's relevant to what it is. It's not relevant to what we were just talking about. It's just more of this movement. That actually happened with Spotify, not that long ago. And organizations. So you can kind of see that labor is kind of consolidating again right now, which is part of a bigger trend that's happening. Even outside of podcasting. And I know we've talked about on this show how content creators probably need to come together and do something at some point because if you look at the big picture, a lot of these big listening platforms are kind of using all these podcasters to grow with their businesses, right? But there's not a lot of two way going back and forth on that. Why should they? Yeah. Exactly, but I wanted to mention about the ADA stuff too. If you actually go read the ADA, the core problem is that the 88 terminology doesn't say anything about digital. Or podcasting. It doesn't say anything in there about that. And what we're talking about here is closed caption. So we're not really talking about pulling transcripts, though that is generated through this, but it's kind of a little bit of a different conversation. Here's what here's what the ADA is trying to do, whoever sued. Right, I heart. Is they basically say digital is the equipment of broadcast. But that may not make it in court is what I'm saying. Well, let's say it does. And it probably will. Okay, but it could. It could. Let's just humanize this for a moment. People don't need words on the screen. That's true. I agree with you, Adam. I'm just not saying they don't. Right. It's more to do with why I think it doesn't get taken seriously in the podcasting industry. Well, then podcast industry are dicks because people need words on the screen. Okay, yeah. It's very important feature. Ones that was supported and I was delighted for my personal reasons, which I'd never never mentioned this while the development was going on. But I was like, oh, this is nice. Yeah. It's okay. And I think that it's overdue. As well. No, I agree. It's here. It's here. You can go to several hosts. You can I think one of them even does the transcription for you and tags it in there. And yeah, it doesn't work on Apple. And it may never, I don't know, but that doesn't matter because you've now served your audience who had trouble hearing it, and now they can use a different app. They go somewhere else to get that content if they need to. So really, you know, not to make light of it. If you do that, you cover your 6. Say yes, we have. We're supported where transcripts are supported within the space. Of course. Right. Of course. I'm just saying for you in particular Todd. Because I know you talk you're an old school business guy. You talk to your clients and you're not upselling him. You're giving him the truth. And now you have something to give them. And you potentially have a solution for. That may change your dev time because I think you can and you should charge for transcriptions aren't free? No. Really good ones are not. You know, that you can do. You can do 80% solution. Yeah, you can do 80% solutions relatively inexpensive, but it's still like a buck an hour. You know, so it's not, it's not cheap. It's not something you should provide for free. Or something that producers needs. Look, maybe you can bake that into your monthly price when you change whatever. All that stuff, you know how to pack it. Someone's going to have to start pushing it because it's so obvious I hardened the first one. Who's next? Interesting groups. It could be a whole group. Who's really the owners? All these things. No one wants the best way to avoid all this hashtags just not to have the hospital in the first place. No one needs this crap. The other aspect of this too, that needs to be brought into the conversation too is a lot of these big tech companies, Google, Apple, whatever are have plans to pull transcripts from all the shows that are on their platform. Laura was going to do that. Spotify had planned to do that. Google, all those folks. And so that may hedge against this issue for them. Is there a desire to do that? Backward to me. It makes no sense. They all know even Google knows is a cost associated with transcripts. They, in fact, I think they know better than anybody that will really cost. They want to use it for more than just closed captions. They want to use it for I know what they wanted for. Everybody knows. When the Google team was accessible and when I was talking to Google, you know, they are currently creating a transcript for every podcast episode that they have in their index. So they have those internal available to those very same podcasts. I will sue them otherwise I would be if my copyright work you have no right to republish my work. They're not republishing it. They're using the internally for whatever purpose. For search for snippet links for all sorts of signs. That's fine. They can do that. You can do that all day long, but they better not be surfacing that as my official transcript. Or if they do, they give it to you via an interface you can get to privately that you don't that no one else can. Right. Right. What do you mean? Well, let's say, let's say that they made it available in your portal over at Google podcast. You could go over there to you. Do you only if they made it available to you only would you be cool with that? Me as the listener? No, you as a producer. I would love for them to make have a transcription service that they use to market the crap out of people who won't hear an ad on my podcast anyway, but allow me to use it as a resource. As a transcript, that sounds like a fair deal. Nothing short of that. I agree. But if you Google use other people, if I could, but you get the idea. If the ADA log comes under some sort of lawsuit under Google or apple or one of those, there may be extreme pressure on those guys to surface that. I think the pressure that the pressure is on the publisher is pressure is this lawsuit is not against Google app. This pressure is on the publisher. And they're the ones that are under pressure for not publishing this. That's where it belongs. And I agree with that. Because if you think about it, iHeartRadio is more than podcast. It's radio stations and so they're going to have to do real time.
"adam curry" Discussed on New Media Show
"I'm saying it's scary. Okay, it's sad. No, it's not sad. This is slow moving, podcasting is a slow, grower. It's always been that way. All it takes is for not just me, but for other people to tell their listening audience, try a new podcast app. And for them to publish with some new features. That's all it takes. And the same with explaining how value for value streaming payments worked. It's not something that only each podcaster knows how to tell their audiences what to do, or where to start, or what they think is handy. That kind of stuff. This is not a top down thing. So I just need to get at the podcasters, podcasters need to see the advantage and the benefits and the fun and then they need to go do it. Oftentimes now I get where we get called rob probably does to buy new entrance that are going to be adding podcasts to their platform, whatever it may be. And so they always say, how do we get podcasters to talk about it? I say you got to give them something in return. One, give them some client side data. Two, right? I don't go look at the podcast two initiative. Look at ways that you can help the podcaster. And be honest with you, when you tell them that, and they, they're like, they don't know how I don't think they're used to being told how they can help. They ask, I don't think they often listen. So when you tell them what they can do. I'm talking to circles here. Maybe I'm just talking to myself when I'm telling them. But if you're as a podcaster, know that you're going to get paid. If you set up a lightning node, and if you guys don't know what we're talking about, James Kerr, and wrote a good article on lightning node on pod news. You can go read it. We're going to value for value dot IO value number four value IO. It's a pretty good explainer. And then tell your listeners to go use an app that supports it. Guess what? If they start they're going to tell their eyes, don't go use Apple podcasts, don't go use Spotify, go use this app so you can help the show and you're making a donation just by clicking play. Basically, it would be the same as saying, okay, I use overcast. Now if strap my Venmo onto my overcast app, and I've determined that every hour I listen, I'm going to send my favorite podcast $1 and then the overcast app will be taking one 60th of a dollar every minute and sending that to your favorite podcaster. That's exactly what we've created. Except it's in Bitcoin because you can't do it with Venmo and all these other financial systems. You can't actually do micro payments at any affordable rate. So that's the whole concept. So when you press play, the Bitcoin Venmo is sending directly to the podcasters Venmo, from Venmo to Venmo, no one's in the middle of that, so you're doing that directly to them. And when you stop, then the payment stops. That's it. Value four, the number four value would take you to the page that atoms referring you to. Or talking about you. Yeah. So you guys have already come up with the way to solve a lot of these issues, but you need people like rob and I to implement you need more. Need people like you. I have people like you. People like there you go. You want people like you. Again, completely cognizant of the development time and issues and costs involved completely. But this is where I think podcast service providers are going to differentiate and all I'm doing is saying, here's a real opportunity on both the publishing and the app side for Americans with disabilities and the specific disability is hearing. Right. So holy crap. And we already have. Several apps including pod. Pod versus done an incredible job putting in accessibility features for the blind. So he's got great screen reader capabilities has worked with a couple of people who are experts or at least know what they're talking about. So he's really done a good job there. So conversely, here we have a whole bunch of is going to be a lot of companies reading this. I know because my wife used to work at ramad house charities of central Texas. She was the chief communications officer and she saw coming down the pike years ago, oh goodness, we have to annotate every single one of the videos we put on our website. In particular, because they're connected to the medical industry, otherwise they are a huge risk for a lawsuit. And there have been many they've been frivolous, but this one against podcasting, don't step over it. This is a big deal. I don't think this is the go to everybody now. I don't think this is the first one. Wasn't there another one to rob? Do you remember? Yeah, there's been a couple of lawsuits that have come up over the last couple of years in this area, but they I think they just don't get a lot of traction as far as people's concern about them. I think high heart's the biggest. I think there was one other that was sued for the same ADA stuff. So all I'm saying is any publisher who wants to be compliant one way or the other has a real easy out by using a host that supports it and pointing to apps that support it. I think the opportunity for our app developers is how do I make something that in big ends the text or does something special that will work for that it will work for people? I have to say, and it's not so much because hearing aids are outstanding. It was very high-tech stuff, but I have problems with a lot of the 5.1 mixes that are done on the streaming apps these days. They're not really optimized for everybody set up. And so I have a trouble with the middle channel. And even my wife, who was perfect of hearing, so we flip on closed caption and how it's done matters. Really matters. The font, the pacing, all that stuff matters quite a lot. So this is a big opportunity for podcasting two. And players in the space. If I were if I supported transcripts, I'd be like, hey, don't get sued. But at the same time, I'll say one thing and let you go rob the same thing about one thing about the transcripts though. May the transcripts are put in being put out are not in an SRT format. In other words, there's not a time sequencer with the transcript. So in order to have this full implementation where you can have a sequence playback where the words are playing back, you have to have a it's basically got to have the second my second tracking on the SRT file. Yeah, but there are plenty of companies. I use otter dot AI, but there's all kinds of Amazon AWS stuff set up. But there are services available. And I know that some hosting companies are just offering that as an integration or as an add on personally. I think you've got corporate clients. They're going to come to you say, hey rob, here's our monthly phone call, what you got for me, you say, well, don't get sued. For an extra X, we will get the transcripts for you. There are two compatible. Anyone who complains, you can say, hey, deaf person, use this app. You covered. That's a huge business opportunity sitting right there for everybody to jump on. A marketing opportunity, a press release opportunity, this will be in the news because I heart might be a vocal target. We'll see. And there will be more. This may be a just a test case, or they may say, hey, all the Spotify exclusives. They may say that, too. Once they, if I heart right to check, watch out. Well, I mean, there's also damages..
"adam curry" Discussed on New Media Show
"To have a show. So maybe you guys need to have an additional metric on that page. Maybe that metric should be valid or RSS feed valid media. And if there's no valid media, it's not in. So it gets removed. Or you've got a jpeg in there. Some placeholder. So everything that's in there now is already self filtered so that with the 4.4 million 517 1108 beads that you guys are looking at, all of those have an active media link and an active feat. Well, what do you mean by acting? Okay, meaning, meaning I can subscribe to it right now. Yeah, okay, yeah. Yeah, you can subscribe to it and the media is available. But also a lot of and we went through this on podcasting two. The podcast right after you guys published last week. And in fact, we read rob's email to me requesting this. So Dave Jones gave a 20 minute answer, which to me was top top level consultant type explanation, how even they deduced the feeds? I mean, it's amazing the work that has been done. And here's the cool thing, we don't know everything. We still don't really have a grasp on what is let's just use the word active or anything like that. But the entire database is completely available for anyone to download and sift through and chop and slice them. We update it, I think, every week. The whole thing is dumped. You can look at all of this. You can do whatever you want. And to me, it's like a consultant's dream to go through this and really come up with some answers. The only thing we don't publish with is feed email addresses. Right. So we don't want people grabbing that and scamming that out. So that's to me then and I haven't listened to the explanation. I'll go back and listen to it. But I kind of assumed by default, that was the case. I didn't know. But one thing that I do find interesting, though, is when we're talking about podcasters, oh, I can't compete in the space. Well, we all know the answer that. That's bull. You can compete a space, even if, even if there's only 393,000 shows that have updated in the last 60 days, you can compete in the space because if you're new and you're putting content out on a regular basis, a little bit different perspective. Now if I want to go listen to that professor's lecture, and it's evergreen, fantastic. Why do you have to compete? Who are you competing against? The 300,000 podcasts that have updated. Are you really competing against those? That's my stats. And I always argue I said, that's not where the competition. That's the mindset of the podcaster. No, that's the mindset of people who are poorly informed. So inform them. The 300,000 podcast that update, not everyone in the world is seeing these podcasts update. Oh, there's my God. This is not podcasting, does not equal YouTube. There's no algorithm that's going to pop stuff up and I know that this is the dream of the dream. Yes it is. People no, it hasn't happened. No one's building it. No one's going to build it. There's not enough context around the publishing for people to actually do it in my opinion. So you're competing against noise all over the place. The no agenda show sends a newsletter, the night before the afternoon is actually it's time to round the world very sophisticated operation to remind people we're doing a show tomorrow. These are some of the simplest things you can do that will blast you past the entire competition because most people don't do this. Get a sub stack. Remind people the day the night whenever your rhythm is that that's when something's coming. My number one advice always for anybody who wants to do a podcast is if you want people to listen at all, you're consistency must be there. You need to be consistent with the day and pretty much within an hour or a couple hour couple hours window of when you are publishing. That is the only way people will forget about you very quickly. I don't disagree at all in any of what you said. We know the reason why all the other noise. It's all the other noise. You're competing against the entire universe. Screen savers. You're competing against everything. Thank you for what? I forgot. Just because you'll pop up in a notification on someone's podcast app with the 5000 other ones I've subscribed to that I don't listen to anymore. Where is where the automatic pruning apps, ladies and gentlemen, come on app developers, we can be better. Your competition is something completely different. It was really interesting. I launched a new podcast two weeks ago with my wife with Tina, curry and the keeper. And the only reason we really launched it, well, I knew that if we could be honest and speak the way we do at home, it would be fun to listen to. I know that. I know that it can be entertaining. We want to achieve maybe giving some normalcy in weird times for people who have kids. I don't know, I'm not quite sure we also drink wine. Who the hell knows what we're doing? But as an adjacent part to that, 100% podcasting two. So only submitted to podcast index, no other way of is value for value, but no other way of funding it then through streaming payments and I got to tell you the experience of no pre market. We didn't tell anybody we're going to do this. We launched the show one tweet and then have you ever seen the movie middlemen don't think so. It's about the two guys who invented or started a company that would process credit card payments for porn. American entertainment on your credit card. And these guys like strung out on Coke and booze and some shitty ass department. And they've built this thing. Nothing's happening. Then all of a sudden in the middle of the night, you hear every single time a payment is done like that. So we have a little pew pew sound on for booster gram and when someone starts streaming and almost right away and you see that and the feeling that at that very moment, someone's listening, they're not just listening, they're listening and they like it enough they're sending us value back in real time right now within ten minutes of launching this show. That was as exciting to me as the first the first days of podcasting when it kind of worked and people were like, holy crap, I heard your show. It worked. It came through on my iPod. And here's what's scary. 99% of the people don't know what the hell you're talking about right now. Well,.
"adam curry" Discussed on New Media Show
"For well over a year. I agree. I went to the far as when we were doing subscribe on Android, long before Google was on the space. 13 lines of code. All they had to do is cut and pace into a specific part of their app and it would support the one click subscribe on Android. And we get about 13 apps to adapt that. But do you know how much hair pulling I got? And I gave him the code just to cut and paste. We made it so simple. I do, because we're trying to get all the hosts to implement one line. I know. For pod ping, and I know how hard it is. You know, you know. To get hosting companies to do something. That's right. It's funny. I know exactly how hard it is. So. We could talk like this to each other, because you said, let's just go there. That's right. We respected love each other. So an angry conversation. And as I had said in also, so, you know, this is my perspective. I can go to my team and say, okay, let's put this put these ten podcast two. And we have a list of podcasts two initiative tags that we're going to implement. But the thing is, where does it fit in my Deb priority? You know, and it really and be honest with you what I'm looking at now. And it's no secret is that anything else a podcaster grow is my priority because that's my number one question. Sure. Because I've always wanted to know what this means because I hear you guys talk about it all the time. What does it mean when you say you want to help people to grow their podcast? Yeah, grow the show. And what is the ultimate what is the ultimate goal? How do you grow audience? That's what it is. That's all. That's the, when I do a call with a podcaster, number one thing. How do I grow my own? How do I make that money? Because I have changed my whole outlook has changed on what growth of audience means. The days of you win when you have the most audience, the biggest audience is really over. It is completely over. Look at the what are the Nielsen ratings for Netflix and Amazon and HBO. You're not going to get them, because they don't do it. Right. And they never will. They may talk about if they have some record breaking things. They'll use it from time to time. But in general, no, because there's no accountability. But that's where everyone's growing. And they're all going there because it's not important how many people are listening or watching because no ads it's important for them how many people they can keep engaged with great content to keep paying their monthly subscription. Right. So we've seen the value for value model. We've seen Patreon models. These are very successful. Growing your show to me means a couple of things was always going to be about the value of the audience that you attract. That's what it's going to be. If you're just growing your show, to me, that means I just want to make money with advertisement. The bigger my show, the more money you'll make. Fine. I think that's a dead end strategy. I just don't think it's a great way to go anymore. And for television radio or podcasts, any of it. This is changing the audiences are rejecting the interruptive advertising model. Podcast audiences have a long rejected the start with ten ads, Joe Rogan. We all for it. We all know we did that. Fast forward. Let's not horse around. For me, for so for instance, for mo fax, which is it's important to me that we make a certain base because moan needs to live more important, I think, for both of us, is the response as we get from people, how they're affected by the content. And the feedback they provide. No agenda is well known. We barely do the show. The producers do everything for us. We spend an inordinate amount of time sifting through it and going down rabbit holes that they sometimes open up. But there it's like, what is important? I need to pay the rent. So and that's an immediate thing. I don't care if it's a thousand people helping me pay the rent or a million. Doesn't matter to me. It doesn't matter. Every single one of them who contributes value is value to me and therefore, that's someone who I find important to grow the show. I do not disagree with you at all. Because breakthrough and tell people again remind us because I understand what you have accomplished over there. And I'm just, I tell people all the time. You want to learn how to get your show beyond the advertising spot and be used or support. You've got to listen to the no agenda show. You just have to. And then come up with your own formula and rinse wash and repeat. But there's some other things. And this is also very important, because I listen very carefully to your conversation on the last new media show about podcasts, how many are active? What's a dead show? And I take some exception to some of the concepts for me, I have several properties that exist in RSS form out there that don't update, have an updated in a long time, but they're 100% valid podcast feeds. I don't discount you. A university professor should be able to do a special lecture series either recording in the auditorium or doing them at home, throw them up on a feed, it's in the podcast app, immediately, of course, he used pod ping to get it into podcast index. And by the way, we now have a manual ad feed feature. Good note. And that will be an interesting lecture for that school semester. And then it may not update after that, but who says that it's not valid for the next semester? For the next class. These are all valid uses of podcasting to me, and you don't necessarily have.
"adam curry" Discussed on New Media Show
"Almost 800,000 of the anchor feeds that are in podcast index are not in the Apple index. So they're screwing themselves easily. And we're just sitting there going like, oh, okay, we got it all. If you're looking for it, and again, is it really the most important thing? We still can add a feed manually. So I just don't see the tension other than self created amongst players who were caught in irons and to be honest, you two were a little bit in there and I'm not saying it's not that you wouldn't want to roll out full interfaces to two features, I understand, I understand very well after two years of kind of sitting in your backyard and observing like holy shit. There's a lot that goes into that. And when you screw something up with feeds or someone's podcast, that's when you die because you just can't get enough support people. So I get it. But that's what has to move ahead. And actually, and then I'll shut up. Something happened today, which could be very important, could be could be kind of a cool thing. iHeartRadio, specifically their podcast, division has been sued under the Americans with disability act for not providing transcripts to their podcast, which is something I've warned about for years. I knew this was going to happen at some point. I also happened to be somewhat hard of hearing. So I follow the news, not that I just crank it up. I'm lucky I can turn up my headphones at 15. I can still hear. But now it's like this is mad scramble. What are we going to do? Well, I believe they could completely anybody could do away with lawsuits. If you automatically this is a producer, by the way, sure they have their own app, but it's about the production and the publishing of the content. They can provide these transcripts. They can provide them in a way that is compatible with industry standards. And here's a plethora of apps, guaranteed that if any app developer kind of had his head on straight, and I'm going to talk to a few of them, they might make a special part of hearing version where the transcripts instead of captions underneath could be large. Or configure it yourself. This can be done today. And where people are going to go, buzz sprout, RSS dot com. That's where people are going to go because the features are ready and baked in. That's what I believe. Now, will some companies go, well, okay, we're going to do automatic transcription for every podcast on our platform. All right, fine. That's another way to do it. But I think that comes with so many inherent risks for corporation to be driving someone else's work and then decisions are made upon that. There's all kinds of it seems backward to me. Whereas we now have everything in place, there's a Ryan podcast in the exact social. He's working on a service where literally you just publish your fee, your new episode and the transcript is automatically put in. It's all good to go. These things are happening at record pace. We just all got to step up and shine because the opportunities are right there in front of us. One of the things that we did a number of years ago was we partnered up with a company that provides at least a blueberry provides all our podcasters a transcript. Now it's delivered to them because they posted the has to be processed and they send it back to them, then the content creator themselves has to decide what are they going to do with it that they're going to put at it to the tag and make sure that it's available. But the problem really is too, even at that level, computer generated transcript right now. About an 85 to 90%. But I think something is better than nothing. I use it for all of my shows. All of them are transcribed, and I can not teach auto AI that it is John C dvorak. It's still John C dvora. In general, we were quite happy. I'd say that's more than 80%. I think they're more like 90, 90% on accuracy 99% on comprehensibility. Yeah, I think you're right too. On that. There might be a few words that screwed up, but usually you can stay within the context. Yeah. So what I'm saying is any company that they can do it with you guys too. You have open text fields. So they can jam in and you support the names. Basically, we're already support the transcript namespace, yeah. Well, perfect. That's what I'm saying. It's good to go. All you need to do is start using it and say, okay, you can do that or you can go and re-engineer your whole app and go do all that shit for a year or hey we're compliant it's working on these apps, the industry is moving ahead, we're a leader. That's what everybody can say. Now, instead, they're going to do, oh, don't worry, Amazon can do it. Well, you know, and I think part of it is as well and I understand where you're coming from. And the new app developers who are supporting some of these new tags, I think it's there to be commended. You know, do we want all the apps to support this stuff? Yes. And the question is, or the challenges, how do we make it happen? And I think at this point I'm sorry to interrupt. It's not an app support problem. Chapters and transcripts are supported almost universally. These are the two out of the gate. Now it's a publishing problem. It is you guys need to educate. It's got to be in the newsletters. Hey, ADA lawsuit. Let's all work on this. I mean, if you have a transcript partner then, gosh golly, let's integrate it. Let's just get that going because at this point, the lawsuit is against the publisher, the problem is with the publisher. And the publisher is using whatever they use to publish their RSS feed. It's not supporting something that is out there and can be supported. And by the way, as a heart of hearing person, I get to say, hello, fellow deaf people. We can use a different app. We use screen readers, all kinds of stuff. We can if it's available, we have to be part of the solution and not well, it's not an apple yet. So it's not good enough. No, come on. We all have to work together on this. At the same time, how do we incentivize, okay? So I'm going to say that we're purposely how do we incentivize Marco and all these other app developers to get on board and start implementing support for transcripts. Let's just go there. Okay. We're going back. It's the chicken or the egg. I know. You've got to start pushing it hard. If you push it and the podcasts are publishing it, look, there's no downside if the app doesn't eat it, the app doesn't eat it. No problem. The upside is, Marco can one day wake up and say, okay, I see now we have all the hosts are publishing transcripts, chapters, et cetera, I can start flipping a few of these things on. It's no longer you don't get to wait anymore for Marco to do it. I'm sorry. Neither of you. Shame on you for even suggesting it. Well, no, be honest with you. We've been down this road before with app developers with lots of cool things and the app developer. It goes nowhere. So I agree.
"adam curry" Discussed on New Media Show
"Is a an algorithm of sorts that starts to flow the content from these other servers into your servers. You have a separate Federer's timeline, a local timeline, then of course you notification and then people who you follow. So you can be following people who are on no agenda social podcast index dot social or Mastodon dot social or any of these other places from your own little server and you determine what you see. You determine who's blocked or you can even do it by an entire server instance, like nothing from Trump social. Right. I'm bullish on this, and I called this a long time ago that Trump would do something like this. And if he does, that will be very interesting. It will, of course, immediately make a big problem because Mastodon open-source software is driven by people who really in their core hate everything about Donald Trump. But the rules of open-source dictate that he can use their software. So when and if Trump social or truth dot social starts to federate, it would be very interesting to see what happens. It'll be in the news a lot and people will know what Mastodon is. That's going to change. That's the big takeaway here. So anybody wants to check it out themselves? All they got to do is go over to geek news dot chat and sign up for an account. Adam and rob you guys can't see it, but I've got the dashboard up right there. Timeline. I got the Federated timeline local timeline, notifications, and of course the home chat too. So yeah, I wanted to kind of extend that conversation over to the podcasting room to some degree and just think we're seeing these big corporations get into podcasting and these proprietary platforms kind of push into the medium over the last ten years or so. And I feel that there's pressure kind of pushing on this stuff and then but if you think back to the very early days of podcasting and this is a theme that's kind of come up online if you've noticed it at them, but there was a couple of articles that a couple of us wrote back in 2006 predicting the future of podcasting and it's now being looked at as kind of like what was being said back there is perfectly applicable to what's happening today and it definitely has this feeling that things haven't changed as much as I think a lot of people would like to think that the podcasting medium has changed. And are we kind of in this phase where there's proprietary platforms pushing in and you're seeing kind of this push of what started podcasting originally was the non commercialism and the open nature of it and so this tension is building I mean, as you think about what you're doing with your platform, how do you see that kind of playing out here over the next couple of years the tension with these big companies getting in and but yet the desire to push the stay open. Well, I have a question before we talk about the tension. When we talk about moving podcasting along further, what exactly are people talking about? What podcasting hasn't grown? Well, it has grown in how many people are listening and producing. So what exactly is the complaint? Yeah, and that's a terrific question Adam, because I don't think that they can be articulated in a way that really makes a lot of sense in the historical context. And then also in the second answer, I can answer. Yeah. It's the fact that you control if you can be on or not. That's the entire thing. All that it's about is and then Maya culpa, I never took into account when I really helped Apple establish iTunes as the default on ramp and gateway to podcasting. I didn't realize what a position they were actually put in. And you still I mean, I don't know what the process these days. I haven't submitted my last three podcasts to Apple, so I have no idea. I don't know if it still takes a day or three days or a week or whatever, how the review process is done. But that, of course, is completely counterintuitive to what podcasting really is about. And the tension you speak of is really within industry players who have not done anything to solidify or to. Stand out from the crowd by doing something different. And for over a decade, a whole lot of people have been sitting around saying, well, if Apple doesn't do it then, and then it became if Apple and Spotify doesn't do it then. What Apple and Spotify have done is they're just taking the content. They don't give a flying fuck about excuse me. They don't care about features at all. You can swear on this share. It's okay. They can always bake those in if they want to. But what the tension is, can I get on will it be fair? Will it get kicked off? What are the rules of the road? And what constitutes how I should be doing it? Is all of these things? That's the tension that people are going to lose the control because that's the difference. And it's not true, of course, because for sure it's not true since we started podcast index and we have many, many alternative apps for people to use over Apple and Spotify and what you're going to see is people giving them a reason to try new apps to use new apps. That is up to the app developers. And we have I'd say three of the new podcast app if you want to one new podcast app dot com. Three of these developers, one has a secured funding and is actively marketing now is using some of that money to market their app. Another one is basically giving up his day job and has dedicated himself full-time and is really kicking ass. I'm not going to name them. Just because I think everyone's kicking ass. And then there's a third was the third one I was thinking of. Well, anyway, you can anyone with some skills can make a podcast that, but to make a podcast app and market it and have it use successfully. It's a business. You got to work at it. It's not something like here's an app. Why aren't people using it? You've really got to do something. And because of the nature of podcast index and how it regards RSS and RSS feeds, there's plenty more use coming with new interfaces. And I'm thinking music, I'm thinking documentaries, I'm thinking, audiobooks, I'm thinking a PDFs for all I care. There's a lot of things that are coming in the model that we see shaping up before us. And the least of the problems is money. The least of the problems for people podcasting is money. It's really not a big deal in the realm of podcasting. It's a big deal. Of course. You're providing services. You want to keep your business alive. You want it's an important service. And if you look at the development of podcasting, the hosting business has always been a beautiful array of disparate companies, you know, it's not all aggregated into one. Funny enough, if someone really wanted to just do it right, they could, I guess, if they threw enough money and people at it. We tried to acquire little bits and pieces. And they're fucking themselves. We found out that.
"adam curry" Discussed on New Media Show
"I'm doing terrific talk. It's great to be back here and having a terrific guest with us, mister Adam curry is in the house. Yes, he is. And happy holidays, Merry Christmas to you, Adam? Yeah, Merry Christmas. Happy holidays. You're so white when you say that, rob. Make the house. My house. Your house and Todd and his house. No one's in the house. You can't even say that anymore. No one's the metaverse now. Web free. So by the way, before we get started, did you see the DMA sentient on Twitter? I got on newsy and did an interview. Yes I did. Of course. Yeah, I got the shout out in there. In the morning, I appreciate that. Todd, you got a clue. I do. I've got a clip, but I don't have a clip player like you do. That all set. That was funny. It was funny to see some of the older people going way back showing up. I saw Ron blue. I know. I couldn't believe it. I was like, one word bronzer. That's all I could think. You know, and Robin, I talked about that on the last show, is like 90 9% of the people 99.9% of the people on the podcasting space is Ron. Who? Yeah. Well, but I don't want to discount his role and we shouldn't. Things didn't go as they could have, but we broke a lot of ground and a lot of that wheel that we invented and it turned out to be pretty square is being reinvented before your very eyes. I mean, we have the same damn things. It started with you're using my content without my permission. Well, that is now called the DMCA takedown. So what has really changed in 18 years, you know? So we broke a lot of ground. We made a lot of mistakes, spent a lot of other people's money and gave a lot of that to podcasters, by the way. Yes, you did. I think it was to the tune of what about 36 million or something like that? Before everything was done, it was over 50. I think over 50. Beautiful. Yeah. I feel very bad for the investors. I didn't work out. Really? Yeah. Well, of course, because when it went successful, you would have had another huge exit. So the problem, the problem was we were just ramping up and then odio flipped to Twitter, Facebook went wide open, YouTube exploded with their multi-billion dollar purchase. So podcasting, as you know, it was just kind of snowed under for gosh the next 8, 9, ten years until serial came along. Isn't it funny because if you think about the grind we were doing in those years, there was like every other 6 month podcasting is dying. And then podcasting is a new thing. Podcasting is dying. Podcasting is a new thing. It was like they couldn't make up their mind. I haven't seen any podcasts dying articles. Well, maybe I have this year. Who knows? I'm sure there's one or two out there. Yeah, it's always the podcast thing because white supremacists use it. So that's kind of what it's become now. Well, Tod it's now kill RSS or kill the download. That's the new theme now. It's not so much kill podcasting as well. They've had their, you know, those that have agendas have had their sights on RSS for years. They hate it. They hate it because, you know, well, this is why this space exists, you know, this audience knows this. We've talked about this 5000 times. And Adam, you're absolute purveyor of that. I don't think people hate RSS. I think that they're frustrated because they feel that they can do so much better if only pesky RSS wasn't in the way and in the equation. So it's not a hate of RSS. It's a hate of their inability to be any bigger or more powerful than RSS, which is you just can't. It's so embedded everywhere in the Internet. And we'll probably talk about that as we talk about podcast index. My view of podcasting and RSS feeds and their use is not universally not universal for everybody. And I think podcasting can be many things, doesn't just have to be a show that updates regularly. So RSS is so embedded in my professional life. It connects all disparate pieces together. And I ingest in and we spew it back out. It's really a beautiful mechanism and because I don't have to get anyone's permission or talk to you on about it or I can just publish it will. That's very annoying. There's a lot of research papers and studies and things being reported about what is this podcasting we can't de platform it. We can't take it down and Google refuses to. This very confusing for people who have grown up unlike us thinking the Internet is a phone, and there's these things on the phone that you can do. So they've never seen a command line or really know how any of the stuff we're not teaching in school basically. The stuff we should be teaching. And there's definitely you see it with Joe on Spotify the folks that are over there that are hell bent to have some of his stuff removed or have him removed. And he could be. Now, I don't think Spotify ever do that. They got too much money wrapped up in him, but I think that that's probably a big frustration too is there are people out there that want to silent some voices, and I think, you know, we all know, you can say what you want to say doesn't mean that you're necessarily going to not get sued for it, or, you know, be criticized work, but you know, it's still a pretty open space now or you can say what you want and then you can either move along or you can complain about it I guess. Well, I am unlike most, I am very pro censorship on social media and very pro censorship on Spotify, very pro censorship on Apple, Google. I really want more and more censorship. I want regulation from the government of these companies so that no one can enter their space and be like them because we have the alternatives they're running. There are millions of people using them everything from Mastodon to podcast index, even to a degree sub stack. They're somehow kept outside of this. This is a beautiful time in our lives, where there's still this, I think, relatively wide open window where we can load Linux on our computers. We can access IP layer and have services running from with Tor even from our home. We can do these things. Next cloud is a great alternative to the whole Google suite. We can do all these things. So I want it to be really difficult for people to function within the constraints of the government and in collusion with big tech because people will just move over to all these other places. And then it gets a lot more fun. So I really want to accelerate that and I encourage it and whistleblower Hogan for president. Very well done. You talk about Mastodon and probably everyone was like, huh? Mastodon, who? Well, why didn't you tell him what Mastodon is? I'm running a Mastodon server. Well, people are going to know what Mastodon is pretty soon because former president Trump's social network truth dot social will be running on Mastodon..
"adam curry" Discussed on School of Podcasting
"Now if you're sitting there going part of that day that i had no idea what they're talking about the whole streaming associes hives different platforms blockchain That's absolutely fine that's normal. It's called learning something new and to be honest between you and me. I don't understand that stuff yet fact. That's going to be one of my kind of goals over the next couple of weeks is i need to find somebody who can explain bitcoin deeper without losing me. I understand that the whole you know. There's blockchain bitcoin sits on top of it. We all agree. I get it but there's still some things i need somebody. I can talk to ask questions and then have them explain it to me because one of the things i wanna do is next week. I'm traveling. i'm in grapevine. Texas speaking at the spark christian podcast conference. And i know adam is moving with his wife. Tina so they're busy. But when i get back i want to connect with adam and tina and if i can't get involved with the documentation one of my background's in teaching i've been helping people understand technology going back to the days of the fax machine. I used to teach a class on how to surf the internet. Because nobody knows her. Nobody knew at the time what was so. I kinda like jumping into things. I don't know figuring it out and then being able to explain it to people so they go. Oh i get it a saito. She is one thousands of a blah blah blah. So couple of things on that interview. I liked the fact that john an atom start off with just two guys talking about deconstructing the media and they do have an agenda by the way i know. It's called no agenda. Their agenda is to point out where the media completely just blues it. How they just totally blow how they suck and just okay we could go on but anyway then They i liked the story of what they just said. Hey i don't know why don't we just say donate what you want. There were like we need to try something here. This isn't working so again. Sometimes you just kind of go What happens if i do this because in the end you always have to remember. No one will punched in the face and the last thing he mentioned there was the feedback loop in fact in texas. This week i'm talking about how to know your audience wants even if you don't have one yet and that's the thing you want to put content that resonates with people. So that they either tell their friends or they give you feedback and that's really the key. And then you just keep improving and improving and improving. They've got a huge audience and they have content at no agenda. Show dot com. That you just can't get any place else in. That's how i. I listen to a three hour show now grand listening to acts but nonetheless i'm still making it through one. Last thing i want to mention. I realize we are way over my normal lengthier. Just reminder. the question of the month is what's your top pet peeve. There's also a secret question over there. And i need that by june twenty fifth two thousand and twenty one. So that'll be next week's episode. Which is i look at that and go. Oh the great. That means when i come back from traveling. I'll get to do a question of the mosque so not not well planned on that but anyway i need that by june twenty fifth super simple. Go to school a podcast dot com slash question. And leave your answer to that question. What is your top podcasting peeve. Don't forget to tell us about your show where we can find it in what we can expect. Thank you so much for listening. If you're ready to start your podcast and avoid all the common podcasting pitfalls come see me. School of podcasting dot com slash start used the coupon code listener. Thank you for joining me on my quest to rid the world of boring podcast until next.
"adam curry" Discussed on School of Podcasting
"Have people who are in these fields politics government agencies many of the government agencies we have producers so just as valid to. Send us some of your time. Which means you. You took the time to explain something that we really don't understand like how urquhot works in texas and what's really going on with our power grid issues and these are from people who literally work there and help us understand and they feel comfortable doing that to your talent and are one of the few podcasts. That has brand new album art for every single episode. And we do that through no agenda generator which again one of our producers set up we have been maintained it ever and it's all run by them. We have twenty. Artists may be on show basis competing for that slot which choose and and we also discuss it afterward on the next show. We discussed why we chose what and it is a post modern way of approaching radio actually with this feedback loop so the troll room is important. I watched that they give me information. While we're doing the show live and so along with that as you pointed out comes well. We have a t shirt company. We wanna do t shirts mugs. Hats hoodies whatever. Great we have license. I don't need a license. You can't use our faces. That's the only parameter we have with the names show the logo. We ever built a logo. There's eight million versions of by other people. And so they agreed that whatever they sell they. If they use art from the artist from the generator they give third artist. They keep a third and eventually the aggregated and donate to the show. We never check it. We don't have to. There's no paperwork. Same with all of our data show notes clips. All of that is made available all of a sudden we have three different search engines. We we have all these great things that people do just because you make it available. It's really like many open source projects work. If you let people use the creativity turns out can really contribute. Yeah great things happen. One of the things that spurred podcasting two point. Oh you saw people like alex jones and just all sorts of people on whether it be on patriotic or on apple people started getting kicked off because of what they said and i think that's what inspired you to start podcasting two point. Oh and really. There's so many people they're like. Hey this is going to be better than rss or we could do this. It's better and instead of replacing our s your genius. That is adam curse it. Why don't we just make our s better like what we go. Just add to it. So can you kind of explain what podcasting two point l. is a couple of things happened in succession. Actually i went on to joe rogan show in march of twenty twenty. And the first thing. That happened is joe very kindly. Recertified me as important part of podcasting history and that was very impactful as very big audience. A new audience an audience. That is too young to ever see me on. Mtv to know that history cetera that was really phenomenal. But a month later joe disappears and go spotify actually a little bit later than that and we were in good touch you know we have some contact about it so i i kind of know how that went down and simultaneously apple weird coordination seemed with with several other silicon valley companies D platform x twenty two report. Alex jones info wars couple other podcasts. And it wasn't so much that they removed them from their database. Because you know whatever like you have to go through their process on the way in so it's not a secret that they set certain standards what they want but what i noticed that all these other independence quote unquote podcast apps that they also lost all of these podcasts. Now the joe rogan part is understandable. Rss feed was shut off. But the apple part. I hadn't really thought about because when jobs basically asked for my blessing for podcasting to be in tune i gave him the original. I potter dot org opium l. File the The original the first index if you will and apple became the defacto index also the defacto on ramp. Because if you wanna be in all these other apps you have to register with apple. This was a critical mistake on my part. I'm not saying that. I would have done it any differently starting over but i did not think about something that i never had to think about as you. So delightfully in your intro. I built my first radio. Fm radio transmitter. When i was fifteen. I was very active in pirate radio broadcasting. I never had to think about radio so just around. Everybody's got a radio. The radio in the cars radios everywhere never thought about what it. What if the radios go away and the radios will go away if they don't have all the content that people want to hear or see whatever but also if you have no incentive for the radio building is they're not going to build radios and what is the incentive for a podcast app developer ninety nine cents in the app store. Let me tell you the amount of work that goes into. Rss feed aggregation and podcast app in general is astounding and ninety nine cents. Pretty rude now. There's always going to be market. Like overcast where you can give so many great features you position yourself so right. A clearly has a great user base. And he's very self sustaining but that's a very small universe and by the way overcast also lost those shows Either because they didn't want to keep it on or you know whatever it is they were gone. And we can't have that and we also need to make room for the next joe rogan and we need to know probably compete with these companies. That are now what i call. Net casts podcasting is podcasting with an s If you're apple now your subscriber base. That's a net cast if your spotify and you're no longer providing. Rsp's through your partner anchor. You're doing that casts or whatever you wanna call within our podcast but we still have this wonderful ecosystem which is still very functional and more necessary than ever as cancel culture. Walked right across my bow. I'm like you know we need to have a place where you can preserve this just as a platform for free speech. I don't want to host podcast. But i want to have an index been. Anybody can go to can find a feed or even better. Why don't we set it up so that app developers can create completely new podcast app experiences with stuff. We've never thought of before no maybe different combinations and we'll do that by extending. Rss itself with was called namespace. And you get all of these added features commonly known as as tags and i think we have fifteen new features now So this is a couple of things. Podcast innovation had literally stopped for ten years. Everyone was in groups. I'm sure you in a couple of groups or slack groups or something some slack channels and we had lots of governors boards ideas and nothing came out of it because no one's really willing to implement and also too hard. So call my buddy. Dave jones is dave and we have been doing our assess aggregation for a decade. So if we can take all the heavy lifting away so all the aggregation all the all different end points you want an api to make great podcast features just let podcast developers create. Their apps. Not deal with all the crap under the hood which is substantial. Then maybe we can integrate away to get them paid. Get them to be a part of the system. And at this. Very moment. As i'm doing my research i come across the lightning network which is a layer two to bitcoin van mo you can do small payments very easily you can use and they have a a system which at the time is still kind of experimental paul sand and.
"adam curry" Discussed on School of Podcasting
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"adam curry" Discussed on School of Podcasting
"The pros and cons of each of the language is wrong. Everything's rotten out. I'm we're very lucky because just earlier this week. My wife who is She semi retired. She's a c. Suite level communications professional or last communications job was ronald mcdonald house charities. She was the chief communications officer so she has agreed to Help us with all of the communications with the a lot of this writing. This is where we we suck. We really really horrible. It's like sometimes you see dialogue pop up and you don't know what the hell it means because a developer did that's the level of of where we're at. I mean we just have not done a good job. So we're getting that done and it will become easier. The node part is something worth explaining. Okay so let's think of it kind of as this is look at podcasting. You need an mp three file or whatever media. You're going to be broadcasting. A you need an rss feed and then really the only thing that's new down. The other end is a podcast that in general you should be able to enter that. Rss feed euro and when you click on play or whenever you want stuff to download it should just look at the mp three and downloaded from your server. No one is in the middle with the lightning network this is bitcoin so it's actually translatable to money but we work in saito. She's in one. Bitcoin which is currently thirty. Five thousand six hundred dollars one. Bitcoin exists one hundred million. So she's so one dollar right now is about two thousand eight hundred fifty saito. She's sending ten per minute is a not a lot of money but you might wanna say let's just take an average one. Minute is three thousand six. Oh she's so you'd want to send fifty one hour is three thousand souto one dollar to fifty minute that has to go from point eight to be i e from announce the reverse were no longer getting stuff into the app directly from your server. Thanks to your rss feed. We need to send you saito. She's value from our podcast app to you. Now you need to be online just like your server for the mp three needs to be online you know. There's there's multiple services that are starting to figure out ways to service podcasters and none of them are really geared for podcasters yet so toshi stream. I will say as it can pretty good setup. They have the right idea. They've made it quite simple and are an option An option on on our system and they make money mainly by when you take it out of their system to go spend it somewhere. Then they charge. I think three or four percent. There's voltage which has an actual server that they can. You know that it's really completely yours. It's just called a node and they'll manage a lot of the lot of the ins and outs of that and that costs money in between somewhere there. We're trying to figure out how podcasting next can help. And we hope to have that up sometime midsummer. That'll make it much easier for people. Just go okay. Click click click. But i really do believe that. There's a generation of older millennials. Twenty eight twenty nine thirty years old and they get it and they understand how this particular medium is the future for them. We have micro payments working with hundreds of podcast and yes it's small and because it's not a lot of people using the apps yet but it's significant enough for everybody to get really excited when you see that coming in every single minute of the day well and it was small back in two thousand and five. I remember seeing you on some sort of local news that some segment and they're like ann curry wants to kill radio and i was like what and i remember thinking that will never work you know. Guess what three million podcast later. You know it's like holy cow. So i was interesting it was it was npr. Who came in very early. Tony kahn w gbh. He was dragging his station there in boston. He was dragging them into the podcast. And if you look at Right now we have the person in charge of podcast. Npr stacey she's very very involved with implementing. Whatever she can because they have their own hosting system we even built a special season tag for them. Which the hopefully implement soon and chapters is perfect for them if so much extra information and they too are not being helped by any of the so called big players. You know those guys not interested in helping. Npr other than yeah upload your stuff will do subscriptions. That's not exactly We're not necessarily a recipe for success. You know jury still out on that and we'll take thirty percent and you don't get any information about your customers and we're gonna handle the customer support. Which kind of. well. It's even worse. And i think people are seeing this now when you say i'll do subscription my podcast and i'll do one a week and you get twenty people or whatever how many subscriptions you get. You still have to do one a week. 'cause if not apple in turn you off and kick you out another beautiful thing that came out of the podcasting two point. Oh a development group is this thing called pod ping. Yeah so some background on this. The way podcasts of were traditionally whether individually or with an index like podcast index or or. Even apple is the feeds. Have to be crawled. They have to be checked for new episodes and in fact apple houston not do it that way and with their switch they now have implemented the crawling methodology which is the reason for the delay in updating because millions of fijian's need to be prioritize in how they're checked for updates how they're crawled in so you can do a couple of ways well when everyone's screaming apple saxons taking too long you use the belgian hammer approach you start throwing server power out of egypt scrape everybody which by the way is costly. I'm not sure how much it is. But it's not free for the podcast hosts and it's still annoying and we have such a great such great contact with most of the medium to bigger size podcast hosting companies. We said why. Don't we create a service where instead of us crawling you. You just say boom. Here's here's an update to this feed and now it makes sense to go and check it out or get the new episode and now when you do something like that the problem is you can't have this owned by somebody because then you create yet another power center and sitting. You know that's the opposite of.
"adam curry" Discussed on The Higherside Chats
"Extreme left where we have rogue members of either the military or secret service getting ready to assassinate job. I them so you know. It's kind of those two extremes. The truth may be somewhere in the middle or much like the january six scene at the capital. There may be multiple truths right right. You played a recent clip of how it went down and obama's inauguration and yeah there were protesters there too. There were riots in cars on fire and tear gas and flash bangs and fighting. It was all kinds of stuff. We don't remember that all remember is the trump claiming to have had more people attend as naga ration- than than obama right. And you can ask anybody. And that's all they remember of that day but not not the protests that took place these protests. They always take place the capital has been. Well one thousand nine hundred sixty eight right goodness washington. Dc was burned to the ground parts of it the riot that took place them. We have a very poor understanding of history. Sadly also poor record of history yes of course so when it comes to what will happen man. I don't know. But the two things i would say is one the republic functions quite well regardless of who is president. Remember the state's really run a lot. And i believe people will retreat more into looking at local politics and how their state is run because governors have a lot of power witness the difference between us here in texas and california when it comes to being allowed to walk freely right with in essence the same virus or the variant or whatever and. I think we're doing just fine. Certainly better compared to people being locked down but also not just the american public but yeah and this is happening all over the world. Governments are standing down like in the netherlands. There's huge division and oddly enough about mask it's not just a democrat or republican things is going on.
Why is Podcast Index so important to podcasting?
"I've touched on it before. Of course we've touched on. Podcast insider but podcast index is kind of a Thing that adam. Curry the podfather dave jones developer and it. Gay the is known as a dude named ben Come up with Podcasting two point. Oh says let's preserve podcasting as a platform for free speech. And i've talked about free speech before but Podcast index is going to help do that in a couple of ways. Maybe couple of three ways. They have a secondary function that they're they're working on. But the main thing is they wanna have an alternative index for podcast apps out there Overcast and downcast. And you know all the myriad of android apps that are true podcast applications that use the rss feed that. You can subscribe to a podcast regardless of Whether it's in some sort of directory or not. You know like an apple podcasts. Do you have a hard time. Finding a podcast in less apple has approved it and put it in their directory. You can you know. What's nice about apple podcasts. As an app is yes. You can put in an rss feed but that's hard to do but most of these other apps. That are not apple. Podcasts google you know some of the non podcasts streaming apps like spotify app of android. I don't know a whole bunch of them that are music services that added podcasting and they don't work exactly the same as a true. Rss based podcast up but a lot of these third party ones. That aren't google or apple are using the apple. api to pull their directory. So you go in there and you search for a podcast and say You know Podcast addict per se. D- i don't know i think. They switched the index but at originally they were just apple. So if your podcast wasn't an apple your podcasts wasn't on the directory for say podcast addict. I i don't know for sure. Which one they're boeing. Or maybe they're doing both may they might be using. Apple's api an index api. Who knows. and i know this is a little bit on the geeky side but follow me here. So there's a catalogue of podcasts Apple seems to have like one point. Seven million shows something like that and as of right now Podcast index has one point. Three three five million podcasts. So not not the full catalog. That apple has but I think they have some in there. That are not on apple. Is some people. Do choose to not put their show on apple and that's okay apples. The big coon. But it's not the only one but but the thing is say apple decides that they don't like you for whatever reason for you know some sort of free speech thing or for maybe you know who knows what the reason is but it's their directory there commercial company. They you know they have. They have their editorial thing you know. And if you don't if you do something that they don't like then you are out of their directory and the problem was with that is is it takes you out of a whole bunch of other directories and that's that's the part that Podcast index is trying to help with you know give yet another option for app developers. You know blueberry also does that we have a podcast directory that is not directly tied to apple. So we have. I think a little bit more than apple does currently but you know there's an api there so some apps can pull the blueberry well. This podcast index is a free and open want That's what they're going for. And i think that's very important that it's not all up to one company. 'cause you know i keep going back to alex jones. Okay he you know the guy is a you know very controversial character will say regardless of your politics. He's he says stuff that other people don't like but the whole idea with free speeches. He's got the right to say it does long as he's not Advocating violence or something but just You know he's got the right to be wrong or right to be right. Who knows you know like i said. I'm not making editorial comment on what alex jones says but apple decided that he couldn't be on apple podcasts. Anymore so poof. He's off apple podcasts. The promise he was off of all this other stuff the beauty of it is he still has an rss feed and you can still subscribe to his podcast. Even on apple podcasts. The app well the podcast index wants to be a place where you know if you get docs tour of you get how you say it You know try to get cancelled by these big tech companies apple google stitcher. Whatever all these these places that they decide they don't like you and they take you out. You're still out there. And with podcast index. You may still be on some of these apps directories and what that's for. That's the goal. They've got a couple of other side goals. That are kind of cool. One is Creating a namespace in rss called podcast. And what that does is allows us to add things to the rss spec or add things to rss that app you app. Developers and podcasters can use One of the big ones that they come out with the locked tag and that's not been adopted by a lot of places yet but it's going to be at some point and what the lock tag does if if it's implemented. Is it locks your feed so that if say somebody wants to copy your show and so they import the rss feed into their Their system into another podcast hosts system And then you know they're newer. Podcast is now hosted and comes from another place and it may not be the real podcast. Just sorta prevents that or at least helps to you know he said if it gets wide adoption it'll be useful because you know kinda like the dns service for domain names you know. Nobody owns it. Sorta distributed that's what this namespace is going to be
Newsletter service Substack is the latest free podcast host
"Doesn't use free. Podcast hosts in town newsletter. Service sub stack is now allowing creators to host paid and free podcasts. There's no cost to host a free one. We've added some stack to our podcast hosts page and you audio at for children has removed podcasts. From its paid service. We can exclusively revealed today after podcast. Creators complained that being added there without consent. We look into it in more detail and ask. Can you help yourself to free podcasts. Your audio app caproni is a new podcast. Host from puerto rico. It's part of the parallel eighteen accelerator program happy twentieth birthday podcasting. Dave winer describes the birth of podcasting twenty years ago this month. A meeting with adam curry. In an unnamed hotel in midtown new york city tracks released their listing of top new podcast of twenty twenty based on average downloads per episode. Nice white. parents is the number one but ten shows from wondering and seven are from iheart. Radio thursdays the biggest day for podcast downloads. That's according to data released by the australian podcast rancor in the most popular podcast genre. Australia is repurpose radio shows. That's according to the ranko which is incomplete but among the participating. Publishers are all six major australian commercial. Radio companies might be the reason our podcast becoming the new medium of misinformation article from the guardian claims that was social networks at clamping down on dangerous content. Podcasting is giving it largely on moderated platform as of last week. Apple has a new requirement for privacy information for all apps on the app store. We had curious to know how that's going to work for. Podcast apps give it apps and always know listener. Data is going apple. Music is now available on google assistant speakers and other example of apple being comfortable for its services to be consumed on non apple hardware. We're wondering how that android app podcast app is coming along. I mean it must be in the works right. Spotify is to allow you to play your own music tracks on android. It already supports this on. Desktop youtube music allows us to store your own tracks in the cloud. Tom webster in his weekly newsletter asks us to respect. Our listeners appears at a new podcast network has launched in north texas focusing on each sports. It's time for some tech off the new podcast. Namespace is now in almost one hundred thousand feeds across seven different hosting platforms with two more hosting companies currently committing develop a time to implementing it jewish listeners. With just slow down for a minute. There's a new proposal for the podcast. Namespace chapters format to include an optional speed suggestion within a chapter away for podcast apps which allow faster playback speeds to slow down to normal speed during certain segments. Like intro out tro music so as not to make them sound rubbish antenna parts now integrates with podcast index. A search provider the proposed location. Tag in the podcast. Namespace has undergone significant revision over the past couple of weeks and now has here has broader consensus toward adoption. Who and benjamin wrote an article about how to record a podcast with multiple remote guests using linex willing to that today from australia at santan newsletter. John and i and the show are as of the end of the year. Not going to be on ear wolf anymore. We love your wolf. They have given us the figure that it would be an. It's like that's not going to happen. And so what makes sense. I think for everybody at this point is that we stay friends. But we don't stay no more up where we're gonna leave. You'll kevin bartlett. Senior produce an ill wolf announcing that. He and his podcast. Hollywood handbook will be leaving. It will in january a day later. The pro version will remain with stick. Share premium is. This racist is also to leave one of the hosts of happy face lauren. Bright per chaco has been signed by hollywood talent agency. See
Shure launches MV7 USB/XLR microphone
"Sure have launched the shore MVP seven microphone. It's two, hundred, forty, nine dollars and gets a glowing review in Forbes. It's gone excellent and USB outputs, and it has an APP to help control it, and it's based on the Shaw Sm Seven B., which was used by among others Michael Jackson Joe Rogan and Roman Mars. Is accusations by serious same earlier this year, the PODCAST APP Stitcher is to get a redesign Adam curry and John devora celebrated thirty years doing no agenda this week congratulations to them. We spotted a press release. Its title is pod booking. The Lincoln of podcasting has arrived who good. spotify executive stunned Gumar is quoted in a story behind the pay wall and business insider. He's quoted as saying the thing we're most excited about right now is finally getting to the point where we have so many consumers and so many creators on the same software stack. That hasn't really happened in audio before he says so we can solve problems that no other company can solve. He says. The athletic is partnering with Megaphone for podcast distribution and monetization. The athletic is a subscription based sports publisher in the. pogs up north of announced a new virtual event to help you grow and evolve your podcast. It's a pay. As you feel event kind of like some good podcast recommendations Sarah's podcasts. Newsletter is full of them and lots of animated gifts as well. Willing to that from my newsletter and our show notes today and thank you to resonate recordings for increasing the level of their support. An easier way to podcast they offer comprehensive podcast, editing service, and production platform. Support. US to produce dot net slash support. I. Didn't cost news in the children hop injure show today the first one on one interview from the infamous five fest organizer. Billy McFarland from his prison. He was given three months in solitary confinement for having a USB flash drive it turns out. How cool is this is a five minute podcast about what's cool perfect pay for a short commute from the bedroom to the kitchen. Anyway, they're going daily from today with episodes exploring different political ideas anytime to the election and indigenous people have lived in Australia thousands of years and formed a spiritual relationship with the land including the spirits on the other side. Indigenous Ghost stories is new from Australia's national indigenous television. Oh should probably take this opportunity to acknowledge that terbal jacker of people, the traditional owners of the land on which I am recording this right now,
iHeartMedia to buy podcast host Voxnest
"Guess who's got the hands on Vox Nest. Radio yes. iheartmedia is to acquire the company VOX. Next will provide dynamic ad serving for heart radio PODCASTS and analytics Fox next also spreaker the sixth largest podcast host with sixty one thousand shows and blog talk radio with a further eight thousand three hundred terms wants disclosed. IHEART currently hosts with megaphone but has hosted with Speaker in the past. podcast hosts captivate has unveiled amy their audio mastering an integration engine, which is now in private beater tool offers dynamic content insertion for all podcast on the platform and also include proprietary audio processing tool. I'm an adviser. The finalists have been announced for the two thousand and twenty discover pods awards. You have until November the sixth to vote for the winners. This podcast is in the best news podcast finalists, but rap against the daily up I pod Save America and today explained. So we're not holding our breath. Silicon Valley Code Wreck Audio Journalism claims article in Washington monthly arguing that we need government regulation to keep podcasting healthy Dewey James Panel is to leave the BBC next week a former Labor MP who's responsible for BBC sounds the corporations audio APP. He was publicly sidelined by the new director-general. Tim Davie moves to be president and vice chancellor at the University of Arts in London we must have been in a hurry to leave that job starts in March. Punch shape and Australia. And podcast publisher has got one of his shows into a new spotify daily wellness podcast playlist and launched three new shows. The founders of Gotham podcast studio failed their own community focused hosting company tandem podcasting launches with member profiles and alive member Chat Service, and spotify is music with shows seems to be impossible for some time to mullen context has to pointers to to projects. He's worked with a track by track with cranium and artists Atlantic, turning February and Sharon radios wash with Simon, Lebron, Casey Krassner now at episode twenty-seven. I didn't attack stuff this. Monday. There's been significant movements in the new podcast index podcast namespace. The locking transcript funding and chapters data is now all being returned in the API responses and a lot of supporters ready been announced support from fireside, for example, which support publishing of the locking funding and transcript tags. Hyper catch, which is an interactive podcast, APP unlike any other in supports the podcast chapters tag pod friends supports the funding tag. Now, it's in our feet to if you want to see how it works blueberry now has a tool to help you submit your podcast to the podcast index works for anybody you don't have to be hosted with them at an carry rights that we shouldn't forget the listeners asking. For testing tools and a reminder that Dave Jones and Adam Curry's podcasting two point. Oh podcast. He's not on apple or spotify we linked to it though today from our show notes and our newsletter cast apart is an open source podcast platform that now supports the mocking tag both the important publish the service also supports POKES RSS USER agents list to enhance analytics you can grab the source and download it today Is there a better way to attribute platforms and APPs than a US agent we have a proposal for an audio query string I. Say we it's mind. It's probably got a lot of house in it of link to its day feedback his welcome, and if you'd like to do a spotify show with music but use youtube instead then you can't do that with a playlist and it turns out that you can do quite a creditable version using the Youtube Java script, Api, properly mixing, and talking over the songs and Jingles and all that are willing to that today from our show notes and on newsletter to. And in Podcast News, the mother Jones podcast is hosting their first ever live podcast show tomorrow four o'clock New York time willing to that today in our show notes and our newsletter, and our see national broadsheet newspaper in the Netherlands is concerned about the platforms of major tech companies that control the market. It's to move their shows like and are C. Dyke, their Daily News podcast into their own APP and our see audio from January. The first the website says certain and see podcasts will only be available to subscribers. Are. Coming down. Everywhere.
The RIAA shuts two podcasts down for music use
"I no. I don't have as many episodes. Him is I already put out. As long as folks are listening now. Keep doing it. You know that's WB walk from the old soul radio show podcast one of those folks that were listening. Was the US. Record Industry who has forced his show and another to close for hosting unauthorized recordings both the podcast to pay to be music radio shows both claim to music was used with the artist's permission David Oxford media lawyer blogs at the artist's permission essence normally enough saying it highlights the difficulty of clearing music for podcasts. Q Code podcast studio, and Network based in Los Angeles has raised six point four million dollars in funding round. The lead investor is sonars the smart speaker manufacturer Coupon Code has made eight scripted podcasts so far and has adapted nearly all their shows too TV or film. Yesterday we mentioned that Google assistant now has a setting for a podcast provider for your smart speaker and other services. Today an eagle eyed register has spotted that you can now Spicer Fai podcasts as your default podcast service. Try, and digital has published its latest podcast rancor for the US NPR is at number one total podcast downloads were up one point, eight percent and incomplete rancor emissions measures participating publishers only. Apple have sent an email to all podcast. In fact, they sent to differently formatted one, which is a bit weird. Anyway, they've highlighted the updates in fourteen podcast APP that we reported on last month, they pointed out some changes to the sports category which seems proprietary and outside of the RSS feed, and they've told you their holiday submission deadlines. The daily now averages four million downloads per weekday according to halt part insider a radio broadcaster in Australia Christian. Connell has criticized the radio industry for being snobbish and blinkered. And refusing to accept the PODCASTING is getting bigger and bigger and bigger. and. As a music has released its first exclusive podcast, the first one is by DJ Callard, a mogul superstar with suspiciously neat facial hair. And podcast news podcast insider highlights new RSS. Tags being worked on by Adam Curry's podcast index and vice news reports has launched from Vice News and iheartradio. APP One focuses on the NBA in wnba bubble and episode to looks at the pandemic in India and the rise of alternative medicine as cures.
Podcast listeners are listening longer
"Constantly, listening longer says Cumulus is Westwood One who has published hits podcast download full twenty, twenty reports. It's their fourth annual study among the findings. spotify is closing the gap with apple podcasts by total listeners it's close twenty, two percent say the Apple, the most twenty percents specify the most willing to that today from our show notes and our newsletter. Do podcasts compete with music listening spotify has an RND division. We discover and release some data in April saying as people pick up podcasts listening, they tend to add it to their previous habits. So music listening remains almost the same once people discover podcasts, good news for musicians although possibly not quite so good news for specifiers hoping they wouldn't have to pay anybody for their podcasts guest. podcast analytics and attribution company. chargeable has raised two point two, five, million dollars in seed funding. The company is tracking one billion downloads a month protracted nearest competitor tracks. One point five, billion, we use that. So congratulations to Dave and Harish. Jack. Mates. Happy Hour from stuck on off has become a spotify exclusive in a youtube. Video Jack Announces spotify offered me a life changing amount of money. This is a game changer for us and ads I've never had any communication with Youtube. Former NBC and Fox News Anchor Megan Kelly is to launch her own podcast network without the constraints or political agendas of other media outlets. She says Devil May Care Media's first release will be the Megan Kelly. Show coincidence record for Mac. Os is a simple audio recorder that sits in your menu bar records records loss less if you like. Could be good for safety copies congratulations to podcast host blueberry who have a free virtual events tomorrow to celebrate fifteen years in business. They have Trivia and prize giveaways, congratulations, Todd and Mike, and everyone else at large media has new logo of bold new look from the same great company. You'll find it in our newsletter today and hereditary is building a MAC based audio editor for podcasts. They want your help to learn more about your production process. We've a new section in the news it's going to happen every Monday it's called the tech stuff. It's with our S S dot com or an excellent podcast hosts. Normally, it's not gonNA make it into this podcast. Today it is. It's aimed at developers and technologists working within podcasting Zahir goes. The podcast index has added a language fields taken from the podcast assassin plans to add eight detected language field in future to catch those podcasters who haven't correctly set it. Joe Morocco has also produced svg versions of the podcast indexes logo, which we now show in own search who websites development documentation has moved pages on get hub at hyper catch as now using the podcast index according to Adam. Curry. His podcasting ready Ip v six asks Thomas Harasser. He notes that some of the largest podcast hosts still don't support Ip six and that some phones in India now I six only at least for media files don't support Ip six you're losing listeners especially in emerging markets he says. And Asandra, dear ferrier used Google Cloud Platform to produce transcripts for his podcast in. Italian. Willing to his notes in English on how he managed IT Marco armaments writes a tongue in cheek clarification of apple's in APP purchase rules which are ever. So slightly opaque, and after we reported at bug charitable correctly setting an RSS user agent, we have more details and best practice. Thanks from our show notes and our newsletter today. And in podcast new seventy million is back for season three, its season premiere seventy million takes you inside Chicago's Cook. County jail during a rapid outbreak of covid nineteen spotify podcast launches, incredible feats today, it say daily show profiling amazing achievements made by people from all over the world hosted by Dan Cummings it's a spotify original available everywhere returning last week meddling adults is a podcast game show for charity with two guests solving children's mysteries from classic series like Scooby. Doo It was the caretaker. Linked to how they made it in our show notes newsletter today and good morning podcasts is podcast in English and in Spanish each Weekday Talk to interesting people in the podcasting scene,
Censored? Joe Rogan Experience is missing episodes on Spotify
"Hello. Everybody I have an announcement Hello Joe Rogan. What's your announcement starting on September first the entire Jr library will be available on spotify the entire. Library you say 'cause the Joe Rogan experience is now in spotify but forty-six episodes missing including conspiracy theorist Alex Jones far right journalist Milo Yannopoulos an anti Semite Owen Benjamin neither spotify nor Rogan is saying why Rogan's also announced that it becomes an exclusive on the first of December. In his podcast Adam Curry's says he's building something called podcast two point Oh. It's a new podcast that outlines an alternative to the apple podcasts directory. I. Think we've figured out some incentive for develop AC- says he'll also be on the first show from Joe Rogan's new studio in Dallas. spotify down rejecting new podcast served with non secure audio addresses according to e mail seen by pulled news audio served using HDP rather than https also doesn't play in chrome on embedded players. Apple podcast expressed a preference for https back in May two, thousand eighteen but haven't yet insisted on it. The vintage video podcasts spend three hundred and fifty dollars on ads for their show in podcast APP overcast called them one hundred and nineteen new subscriptions they say quote the campaign was worth what we paid for it. That's Nice Hobby, radio has launched hard m. n. a new podcast APP built specifically for Minnesota Nice Idea Patriot has raised nine hundred million dollars in new funding says CEO Jack Conte Patriots. Valuation is one point, two, billion dollars, and the IRA has the full sheduled for the IB podcast upfront event in September and the host comedian Francesca Ramsey. And in Podcast News, Here's how to promote your podcast a stunning story of a plastic surgeon asked by wanted terrorist to make them look unrecognizable full marks to plastic surgeon podcast for that. News from the Ramsey network is the Dr John Baloney show a show that provides real talk about life relationships and mental health challenges. It'll come out three times a week and seventy million is back for season three starting on September the fourteenth each week that people denominated podcast from Antica? Williamson. Co brings localities taking action from the school to prison pipeline. To racialist policing to the spread of covid nineteen in jail.
World's Record for Most Podcasting Mistakes In An Episode
"Pretty? Frenzy and. Unfortunately my microphones behind it last night when we were. Practicing, I kept going like this so that I could. We have to remind her to get out of the. Presentation so Welcome she podcasts on fire. Or your host Jessica and Elsie can you just keep take over? I? Think. I have to send this quickey email. All right. So three mistakes rate, their people number one, please don't name your show on fire just because or which actually expands even more to please don't copy somebody else's show because or a variation on the name because you think it's really cool and that's the same way that yours is. Please don't do that The other thing she moved away from the mic we oftentimes get very excited and then move all the way over here, and then we're doing this and we don't realize you have to be on Mike to get very good levels for your end product. You must be engaged and lastly she's GonNa take care of an email most of the time I, get one of the things with just. An opportunity to see her and I cannot tell you how many different times I'm just like just. Just Pay Attention. Listen I'm very busy and important. That's right. Foot people can hear you typing just. So you know you're not fooling anyone and yeah she can see me typing actually but normally it's because. I mean to be fair. You're talking about something that I can't speak on right I understand so. Editor can hear you the is which sucks. So yeah, it's better to not do that. All right. So let's get started with the opening one's here. Let's see how do we start moving right along. Okay sees. So yeah, be mindful of your microphone I am really hiding are Holland be mindful of your microphone be mindful of your listener I'm doing it. Now we're recording this for our show this week and I'm moving to the MIC like specifically not supposed to be doing. This is not actually me being funny I. I. Just have to Redo it. Mind you this actually gives the other the other one of the tips that we're going to be giving. You need to test things out before you actually record, and this is what we are showing you. That is not happening. So part of the deal when you do your show is that you have to pretend as if it's actually happening even though nothing is happening to. Know, the right placement Yes tech is tricky. ECHINACEA don't do anything that will mess with it. Don't FIDGET DON'T CHEW ICE Don't. Talk and look out the window. Don't shoot anything. that. I've been asked. Not to do lots of times and make sure you have water something to drink on your desk because if God forbid you do. Get something caught in your throat you will. You. You know it's not good to have to get up and go get something also checking your connection if you're a person with more than one Wi fi network, which I am oftentimes. One, of them will be better than the other that day haven't made sure that I've looked to make sure and also choosing the right microphone. So the difference between the one that you WANNA record or your headphones or the computer like right now there's three and play and the right one is chosen. It'll sound. So terrible. You have to do add that on a little bit just think about whenever you choose your microphone that are certain APPs that use separate microphones. There are times when you can definitely set your computer to take on the specific microphone that you want it to us. But there are times when that gets a little bit glitzy depending upon what software you're using. So be extra crazy about checking it. So right now we are on zoom, and so I get a chance to go check on zoom if it's Pick there even though were also recording on another external like soft piece of software that's capturing our audio. We also need to make sure that that piece of software also has this Mike picked in its every single time because I guarantee you when it really matters when you're like Oh everything's okay. You'RE GONNA find out that one interview that one conversation that one amazing show you didn't pick the right Mike. And you'll be sad. Very very sad No. Yeah. Those things are super important. You know what I just realized. Also, we forgot to introduce ourselves completely. So for those of you who don't know us. You should. We are the CO founders of she podcasts I. Am just a cup from in. This is Elsie. Escobar. who was on earlier we co-founded she podcast in two thousand fourteen. MOSTLY TO HAVE A. Safe space to ask questions where we wouldn't feel we were asking stupid questions or get answers from people that might think we're stupid I. Guess That's The you had a very nice description earlier, which was you know we just needed a I forget what you said, but it was perfect. We. Just needed a place to hang where we would feel safe to ask the questions out. We needed to ask and not feel like I. Think part of it is that. I felt. Dumb or stupid about asking or an antenna like I should know these things and or that you'll be looked down upon for not knowing those things when realized just started. And also for me, it was lake getting technical answers to questions that I didn't feel needed technical answers. There was probably a simple solution for people who weren't trying to be like the next. You know. Adam. Curry that we shouldn't all have to aspire to be that so. That's why so yeah. So Jazz Elsie. and. This is kind of our show. This is her to every single time where on which. Kind of yes. But we are going to address all of these mistakes. So we've what you've already seen as well. The mics are not on. Possibly chewing gum chewing ice not a good thing everything's on your. Any everything is being recorded messing around with hair and earrings. Talking while turning away from your microphone, making sure that you're definitely on there and not having water and so impart when you were talking about the water thing just. I'm a fan of having something with a lid on it throw yes. because. You can spill your water while you are recording. So having something with a lid has been really great for me 'cause. I'm such a klotz myself and the other thing is that you have to make sure that you make you use. The. Mute. Button. So the mistake would be not using your mute button as much as you can when somebody else's talking or you're drinking because this thing happens watched us. Did you hear that? Yes. So the pop grimes you myself when I Open My. Bottle. Time I know it's annoying but I don't want that noise
Spotify gains on Apple worldwide
"Spotify is leading apple in more than eighteen markets, according to Fox, news too published immidiate version of state of the podcast universe report, the report also contains details at the impact of the pandemic on listening. You'll find it in our show notes and our newsletter today, but is spotify really bigger than apple chances. Are that your podcast stats don't actually say that so is Fox nest saying something different? Our editor that's me has looked at the numbers in more detail and I've spoken to others to try and find the truth. Find that to in our show notes and newsletter today. pod Fan has launched Super Sampler podcast that anyone can publish to. podcast of teaser episodes from other podcasts companies allowing anyone to post their teaser for free. You like today's Promo. As we reported last week. The hosts of the north quote want spotify to hand over that podcast as according to a story in the verge, which highlights other podcast is in the same boat. They were Gimblett to employees when they pitched the show. PODCAST movement has launched the podcast movement university a Community and networking service been trying it for a week or so. It's pretty good additionally. They've got a kickoff event on Tuesday July, fourteenth cold shift, and you can sign up for that for free. Timber media is a new website with stories of the struggles and trump's of the best podcasters. He's gone live for the set of different shows including the story behind Rubio Tris undisclosed. The IHEART owned inside radio has. To reports on Vox Nests, podcast, advertising industry summit advertisers, sticking with podcasts and podcasters warming programmatic buying, they say. And after par, News reported bug. Code has been written to fix the user agents within podcast. APP Antenna part which Watson consistently sending one user agents for both are assess and audio are helpful, so podcast is no which is playing their material. Any podcast news than you media shut had Adam Curry on their latest show. He's known as the Podfather, and he came up with the idea of adding filing closures to RSS Feeds which many say was the invention of podcasting. He talks about Joe Rogan's ossified podcast academy and his donation model. And the World Health Organization pro twiddling their thumbs. is nothing really going on in the world of health? Anyway they've launched a new podcast called health in Europe and sarcasm aside. The pond cost isn't about the Rona. So you can relax. The first episode looks at what's inside your bottle of booze
Labeling Podcasters: Independent vs. Corporate
"I never liked the term protesters which you may have heard describing those top podcasters that are from the major companies and corporations like NPR. And the different radio stations. The reason I like that term is because it seemed demeaning to the indy podcasters. It made it sound like independent. Podcasters could not be professionals at what they do. And I think that's not the case in the previous episode I talked about hobbyist versus professional as labels for podcasters and independent versus corporate. Had nothing whatsoever to do with the professional level independence can still be professional in their podcasting. So I prefer to use this label. Corporate podcasters to describe the podcast that come from the major corporations the major broadcast studios even many of these celebrities who have some kind of sort of corporation behind them or a corporate style in their podcasting. I would describe those as corporate podcasters so before I get into how these two labels independent and corporate podcasters are different. How are they the same or similar independent podcasters and corporate podcasters? Share the same similarities. I shared in my previous episode about hobbyist versus professional podcasters. You can go back to listen to that episode for more details. But here's that list for convenience. Both can have excellence. Both can have passion both can have audiences of any size and both can profit. Pr Fit Popularity Relationships Opportunities Fund income. Intangibles I think how these things apply can be a bit different between independent and corporate podcasters. But I think they do still pretty much apply to both labels of podcasters. So what sets these two types of podcasters apart. I what are Indy podcasters? And you'll hear me used the term independent and Indie interchangeably throughout this episode and in all kinds of other contexts number. One indie podcasters make their own decisions. I think this is the most important most different point of everything else. This is really what it comes down to. That separates the indies from the corporates. You could say the buck stops here for an indie pop caster. They make their own decisions. Big and small they might involve their co hosts their community or other collaborators like an editor or a designer but really everything about their podcast. Ease their own to choose. They're not subject to overlords of any sort they don't have to answer to corporate sponsors yes? There is some accountability to sponsors if an Indie podcast house a sponsor but that doesn't control what their content can be about. They can make their own decisions number. Two Indy podcasters are agile in the web design world for awhile. It seemed like the new buzzword was agile development and it implies that things can be changed very quickly and rapidly and that does apply for podcasters to having that agility because indy podcasters can on a whim change their technology. They could launch a donation system or a membership site. They could create a new product. They could redesign their branding and much more. There's no approval process in usually the only delays for an indie. Podcast are in how much time it takes to implement any kind of changer decision. Or how long it takes for that delivery truck to arrive with that new piece of gear number three. Indy podcasters made the podcasting industry. Don't let anyone mislead you hear NPR. Hollywood major broadcast studios did not invent podcasting. Yes they did help. In other areas of podcasting for sure and I'll get into that later but podcasting was actually invented by independent people mainly Dave winer who created rss and then implemented the technology to make podcasting passable with RSS and those implementation suggestions came from Adam. Curry who co created podcasting. The whole foundations of podcasting are very independent. They're very pirate radio. It was even called that for a little while and in some contexts and even still today many people look at it as pirate radio that you can do your own thing as pirates ever sounded like that number four. Indie podcasters are resourceful. Independent podcasters are used to working with what they have very limited resources there well acquainted with recording in a closet or under blanket. And even when I first started my podcast I was using a super cheap microphone and pantyhose for a pop filter acquiring that pantyhose was very awkward especially since I was a bachelor at that time. The story for a different day. But Indy podcasters are used to hacking things together to meet their needs. They're very resourceful sometimes. That's because of dictation with their budget or what they're willing to do or interested in doing. I see some indy podcasters. Who will do things simply because they want to do it themselves. It's very diy in the indie realm. Other podcasters might purchase something instead of building it themselves but I think that most indie podcasters are very resourceful. Number five. Indy podcasters are the majority of the nearly one point. One million podcasts. In Apple podcasts. At this time I estimate there are only a couple or few thousand podcast. Certainly under one percent of the total that are hosted by corporate podcasters. The rest of the PODCASTS. Are The indies? It's the podcast by the mom recording when her kids are napping by the dad who records maybe during his lunch break at work. It's from the teenager in their school classroom. It's from these people with these amazing ideas and the passion to share those ideas world. Those are the majority of podcasts out. There one percent of one million is ten thousand. I really don't think they're more than ten thousand corporate podcasts out. There certainly not active anymore when you look at the space that almost fifty percent of the podcast have published an episode in the last ninety days. And that's gone up significantly. Because of a bunch of new podcast launches still the independent podcasters dominate. The industry. They are the majority most likely listening right. Now are an indie pop. Castor you are in the majority of podcasters number six. Indy podcasters reach the niches. There's almost no niche too small for the British and the Audience Niche. You can find podcast on almost anything and usually hosted by people passionate about and highly experienced in those topics. Even if that's a small topic there can be podcasts. Out there in these are things that the corporate podcasters won't even touch. Because it's too niche but indy podcasters. Do reach those niches number. Seven Indy podcasters want and deserve to be involved in the podcasting industry. I don't mean simply being in the podcasting industry by having a podcast by being involved having a voice for the directions. The podcasting industry goes. This is one of the reasons why I have big hopes for the new podcast academy as long as they do represent the majority of podcasters the independent voices in the podcast academy and why I would encourage you to look at being involved in that joining. That pain. Your membership dues to be part of the podcast academy so that you can be involved in podcasting industry
"adam curry" Discussed on KIRO Radio 97.3 FM
"I was it was without Adam curry actually is it possible that and electronic devices you know things that are not biological you know you are not human right electronic devices like your TV to possess consciousness is it possible and I would say that the answer is yes for instance your car your nineteen seventy favorite Ford Mustang or whatever right without any computer chips in it right you were always nice to that car B. main to wait it overheats fried horror and it's the same thing so your girlfriend has a heart attack and there's a conscious connection between the T. V. and her maybe it's sad and I don't want to go we're talking about that's right I don't want to go along yeah so it's got it's okay to think like that I I I truly believe that everything possesses consciousness no matter what it is this is coast to coast we are taking phone calls all night long and I enjoy it like I said earlier I did fade to black last night open minds all night long hi role in here to coast to coast and it's open minds all night it's like the day never ended I enjoy it so much and we're going to be continuing all of this I want to get back to before I head to the break this question of consciousness inside of everything atoms particles all of these things throughout the universe stars die and and are created for you and die those particles make up our body but they also make up the same things in that television set what's the difference between that TV set and us and when his consciousness created I don't know but maybe there's a little bit in everything we'll be right back after this short break with more of your phone calls this is coast to coast AM stay with us Hey its flow with the.
So you want to start a podcast...
"What can I do for you here? Well I I have a question that I know. Ah I've been listening to you for years as most people say when they call But I have a question that you have probably been asked many many times but until it becomes relevant in my life I probably just listen to it next. Caller count on that otherwise. Honestly there's only a few different questions I count on your poor memory for the the answers. One of those questions. So I- Mabel to and and been in the process of creating content for a podcast. Yeah and You know I'm capable of doing all that. I'm really pleased with how that's going. I haven't heard anything yet but what I'm what I'm trying to find out next. And I thought I'd ask the gruesome like what are the best next steps. or where do I go to decipher through all the different options of how you can get your RSS Steeds Central. I can make this really easy for you The good news. Yeah when we started podcasting in two thousand four had just been born and it was so sewer early that there weren't really any podcast clients. I think Adam Curry wrote a simple one. There were couple and and to be honest You I had to do everything by hand you know I was making. We're making it up as we go along I had to create my own. RSS Feed along comes apple with itunes a couple years later we had to change everything. But you know by now it's pre fifteen years later. It's pretty darn easy. So here's the thing with a podcast. First of all seven thousand new podcasts. A week launch. Seven thousand of them fewer than ten percent. Do who episode two. So the first thing I would say is pick something you really enjoy. Because you're not going to remember you're not GonNa make money on it and I it's the The reason I think somebody podcasters pod fade is. They think we're I didn't make any money on this. Well no because you know it's It's hard to make money a podcasting. You for some reason you might blog or do anything else because you love it you have a subject you just passionate about you care a lot about do why personally yes. Music beautiful so step two is how do I make it.
Write the blog title how you want it to show everywhere
"Getting a lot of questions something like who amusing the apple tags and I'm using an apple summary in the apple title, and the apple episode number? But it still using my regular title as the title at apple podcasts. And then I look in, if I opened it up in the apple podcasts app on my phone, it's using the right tags as they specified. But if you use the web preview or the IT tunes desktop software, which is still on the MAC, but going away and we'll. Continue on windows for the foreseeable future. It's not it's using the blog title, and it's using the blog content for the show notes. Okay. Well, here's my solution. Right. You're your blog titled to be the title, you ought to use. Right. Your blog post to what everybody you what you want to show in your show. Notes everywhere, don't try to be different. You're not going to be able to force all the apps to do what you want them to do you just not. Unfortunately RSS is a standard, and it is the standard we use for podcasting. So what it goes into the RSS feed if you only give them one choice, then everybody will use the same thing if you have multiple choices, some we'll take once on, we'll take the other there's nothing you can do to control this. So I guess what my message would be is please, please, please, please. If you're really picky about what shows up in the apps then righted it in the blog post title, or write it in the show notes the way you want it to show everywhere. Getting the fancier, you get the, the less control. You're going to have over what who does what you know, you know, it's just like episodic images. They did a whole episode about that awhile back and people still don't get that you can't force apple or Google, or Stitcher, or tune in, or Spotify, or any of the other apps out there on Android, or IOS. Or, you know, some of the other services like Pandora iheart. Whatever you can't force them to use any particular thing that you put near feet unless you only give them one choice. You know, someone asked me recently, the no agenda show, Adam curry, and John CD Voracek every episode, you see a different piece of artwork show up everywhere. That's not because they're doing anything special and they're not they're not trying to be fancy. What they do is they changed the overall our orc for the feed every episode so every all the apps don't have a choice. They just pull a new one and you know you can do that. But how much is that really worth? You know, I. I get it that you want it to be a certain way. I and I get that people want things to be, you know, just the way they want them. But sometimes that just isn't how it works. You know, just not how it works. You can't you can't force all the different services out there to do exactly what you want them to do. So the only way to do that is to when you post your podcast and MSN you're using WordPress, but this works pretty much anywhere else. Whatever you put in the title, the main title will be the title in everybody uses, if that's the only choice you give
High profile creators leave Patreon
"Patriot a crowd funding platform used by many podcasters has removed a number of far-right creators, including Milo Yannopoulos and Cal Benjamin youtuber better known as Sargon of Akkad for what patriot claims is hate speech. However Sam Harris host of the waking up podcast one of the top grossing patriot creators has deleted his account in response accusing the company of political bias and other patriot creators, Dave Rubin and Jordan Peterson have promised to build an alternative platform, quote that will not be susceptible to arbitrary censorship. There are reports of many patriot supporters leaving the platform in protest, if you're one of them and you'd like us to Bill you directly we've worked out an alternative if you want it, please let us know. Updates at pod news dot net. And we'll sort that yesterday. We reported that apple podcasts has mysteriously removed many reviews and ratings from their service those that contacted us. Reported losing around half their ratings and reviews issues was seen throughout the whole app. Store. Not just for podcasts. Some noted that review removals were seemingly at random and not related to a purge on automated or spammy reviews at time of going to press podcasters report that their ratings are back to normal. And are they actually important to you need ratings and reviews to get into the what's hot section in apple podcasts. Daniel j Lewis has been checking the data, and he knows the answer. You'll find it linked from the show notes Jew under what Adam curry, thanks have NPR's RAD podcast analytic service. Do have the gall to say, we won't know who you are. When this takes place is just a lie of epic proportions life, she addresses as you can feel it. You'll know what phone you have this more in his podcast. Meanwhile, surprisingly to many pocket costs have confirmed that they have no plans to include rat in their roadmap the podcast app. His part-owned by. NPR TNT in cadence thirteen launching a companion podcast to crime television drama. I am the night the podcast called root of evil will be eight episodes focusing on the real story and real people behind the dramatized crime series, and resonate recordings. Have added a tutorial on how to use audacity feel podcast