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Are You Ready For The Fallout
"Good evening blue jays fans of welcome to another lovely evening of jaybird. Watching we are live in all of the places we possibly can hook up to youtube twitter. Amr even facebook deceiving along with which so tonight blue jays fans. We're gonna talk more rumors. I know you're getting tired of rumors but we have a little fun. Play on this on how we're gonna attack at the evening i before i get too far reducing our guest. Adam corsair brandon hanna car. Are you doing this evening. it's going on. it's going on. Do a woman snow. I'd say adamant rhode island. Sounds like he's going to get the winners. I backing right off the bat ear right before christmas goes. Listen to me child's play. Okay like forget forget how many millimeters that is thought my whatever. That's a walk in the park about. I don't think that something like this. That's human had you haven't heard of the the blizzard of seventy eight From rhode island. I think we got about five. Feet of snow covered the blizzard of seventy eight. Look it up. Google with that is that is legend in rhode island. If you through you think kobe's bad people in rhode island years from now or not even talk about they're going to still be talking about the blizzard of seventy i. Shit you not watch. Meanwhile the people western new york are sharpening their skates and get ready for the fricking playoff man playoffs. He's fun anyway. I won't right on your prey too badly man but anyway now years. We'll be back next year. I floor we are. I want to introduce our lustrous Guest this evening. Mr bobby kay. How're you doing this evening. My friend guys doing great Just here but the snow combined. We already got up six inches. Both it'd be six to after a tonight but we're ready for like six snows already. Gotten into your wonderful microphone feeds muffled ono right now for a second i did the robot voice thing for a sec. But now you're back for you to be on the show just like you. Yeah so first. Things first gentleman there is actually some blue jays news that we have to touch on. We got a little bit of a free agent. Signing we got to keep forest law and then the blue jays pickup tyler white from the houston astros. I know i forgot. Put that on the agenda. But i just re read it again. So sorry fellas Does this scream anything. But depth to the three of you and Yeah whatever wants to take that one. I i know forest. While had a little resurgence before all the covid fund. But good grand. Move onto the next thing. It's it's so much so in a world where we don't have any outfield deaths. Have forest wall is not the worst thing in very very true. That's why you gotta sign springer so and that while which is where eventually we're going to see britain your points you damn early. Segue points First things first though the blue jays have apparently been linked to the japanese feeding on pitcher that is apparently going to be hosting to. i think it's tummy yokohama. Yuki sugano. I heard one person say the same way twice so far on. Mlb network. Other than that. I got nothing are saying about this young pitcher Pretty much every able to read so far. Is that past trevor. Bauer is automatically the next best pitcher on the market as far as pure stuff. That's a pretty bold statement Brennan would you like to kick that off on what this means possible. Blue jays pickups. Yeah sure. I can't offer much insight onto his staff or anything like that. Never seen him pitch lie. I'm looking at baseball reference. Page now it looks like all really good stuff. Lowey are as every single year Pitching high innings totals Not so much recently last two years by ego back. Twenty fifteen to twenty eight team. He was almost at one eighty every single year above that broke two hundred in two thousand eighteen so it looks like he is a pretty decent arm. I'd love to learn more about him. But i'll trust what the analysts and the scouts say and it seems like i dunno guys. Have you guys think the same as me but this interest. And then i know. We talked a lot last week. About what's his name. The korean from k b o. What i mean. Kim camp kim. Let's say that eight international market could be a root for them to take if they miss out on some of the big three on talking springer. I'm talking real new talent and bauer Sorry will make you As an offensive side of thing. So yeah i do a steep every all pictures for when we were talking about conversations so sorry run i mean to cut you off. I didn't. I didn't even hear where to what you said but i was done my point. Anybody else wanna add anything to that. Adam brought bobby. Sure when i hear that the blue jays are interested or show interest in a player. I pretty much just eliminate them from the pool because it doesn't interest showing interest in a player doesn't mean that they're pursuing a player They're just to me. It just means that they're showing due diligence and doing their research and whatnot. And the bluejays are an organization that doesn't necessarily just brush people aside that are available. They'll do their homework and they'll check to see if there are fit for the club and that to me is what showing interest is about In also i read that he. He is showing interest in the rangers and automatically. I'm thinking to myself this is. This is darvish all over again. So i'm good. I don't want that kind of ptsd. Anymore i'm good and so do i think this would be a good signing for the blue jays depending on the price i think he's thirty one years old which is a little high up there for for an for pitcher. If you're going to sign him outright how long he's going to be in this tier four Depending on how much you're paying him it doesn't necessarily matter. But i'm not sure that i wanna push my chips in on this but in terms of a consolation prize for a trevor bauer. Sure but again. It just depends on the price. Your bobby wanna ask what this could do to your brothers kansas getting into starting rotation. I just build off those guys set in. I looked up his status well and he does have a lot of logged over. I looked at. It was like ten years worth season's getting up especially with his arm of another worry about. Is that come over from japan. Always don't pan out. Because every few years you hear that the next big pitcher from japan like oh god come over and dominate like. It was like tanakh. Always like these lane and it just doesn't always work out all the time as far as our team goes. We need starting pitching. I think it's pretty obvious that we'd have anyone throw six innings last year ever so we can use start patient and we can use a door. That's the case. And as far that that he goes into the rotation. I think we talked about this last time. That pretty much think he's starting trip like there's So i don't. I can't hurt price at the time Yeah i do agree that it's far as it goes. It's more depth like an high end are great. They're just when the blue jays were good in two thousand fifteen twenty sixteen. And i'll even back as far as when we were good in the early nineties. Guys think about this. We didn't have that real studt in our rotation it was stupor average above average throughout the whole five man. Rotation your since something together like this there is no real off date in the rotation. I feel like this guy is right in that conversation where they will get exactly what they paid for in that situation just to get this second third guy into the rotation and let them run through it. It sounds like the way they're building this team up. They're going to have plenty of offense. Kerry what could be another j hab arcos strada in company all over again for blue jays pants in that might include. I still can't believe that coming back. But i'm not shocked by that one that anybody. It's a solid pitcher. Mind five minute. One year deal signed him up a third tenure The second blue jay in history to have three ten years with the team three separate said so. Hey bring back. I loved him among. The question is can bobby named the third. We talked about it on our the other guy. That's spent on the team three times in toronto. I got no idea because you are a yankee fan. Before your brothers star play north of the border and tony fernandez is the end line with the new york yankees for a season. I think he hit the cycle against the blue jays. One or just to make moving right along gentlemen. The next big headline is the fact that not only are the blue jays looking for free agent scott or s recording during his little media session. I believe it was tuesday morning monday. Evening something like that. And he's saying that the blue jays will look for one free agent. They're looking for multiple. Free agents are a group. If you will to help bolster this rotate this roster. Bobby do you think this is actually slow or is this fire. Or what are we got or is this mike. Scott boras doing scott. Boris i mean scott boras got agents are going to say anything to help Get better deals. Obviously if people want to compete with the blue jays al bluejays are looking time players. I mean obviously other teams are going to push harder. But i absolutely agree that the blue jays are in the market. I think they proved it last year when they sign rio. I think they're looking to add to that. I don't see that. I don't in stopping building on this team. So i mean as much he might be a little bit his jumping on that. Yeah when it comes to boris i. I don't think that he's completely blowing. Smoke up our asses about this. I think some of what he's saying is legitimate he might be embellishing. How interest the blue jays have in various reagents on. I'm sure again going back to the previous point. They're doing do due diligence. they always check in What that means in terms of their pursuit to this free to these free agents are completely different thing and again when it comes to free agency. It's a fifty fifty thing right. It's not just you pick someone. Okay now you're on my team. It's the captain of the team that has to be mutual interest there and we all know that the blue jays had been torius difficulties signing free agents because of the taxes northern border and whatnot And maybe some misunderstandings when it comes to customs and specifically this year when it comes to the unknown of having a home. I think that's a legitimate thing. That's on the mind to players but then again money talks so full. Oh i don't. I don't disagree. And if they decide to play in dunedin that's beautiful do but for me. It's i think there's a new sort of relationship with boris in the blue jays. You can sort of see blossoming now and before it was just the blue jays to boris embarrassed the blue jays which radioactive the oil and water. You just did not see that mixing well but now it seems that you know now that anthopoulos and and sort of left on and i think that there is a more eagerness to get deals done and for the blue jays as the richest ownership in baseball sort of opened up the wall at a little bit and i think boris is blind the pressure to do so and what better time than now again. We've talked about this so when it comes to whether or not i think he's embellishing. Maybe just a little. But at the same time i think this is also encouraging for blue jays fans to say look scott. Boras is saying we're legit maybe that means we're legit. I wouldn't be too much into it. Because again. he is an agent and his job is to up the price in the bid for the people he represents get that but it is cool to see a positive relationship now with boris in the blue jays. So i'll i'll take. I guess all of the laws of the blue flu or sick of central spending money to exactly where i was gonna go. You see tells change with scott. Boris before when he was basically begging insulting the organizations like please deal with my clients. I know you have so much money in our backs so strong financially with rogers telecommunications company as owner the team so let's do business and the previous regime in topless refused to do business with them and it took until the reciting for the shapiro regime to be out. Of course will work with you. You're an agent. That represents a very very good players in most cases superstars. So let's do it if he's speaking not way. Changing is telling from the blue flu to giving us compliments as an organization yet. That's right alad. Am bobby You're supposed to be doing that for. Your clients is trying to drum up as much interest as possible but at the same time. I believe there is something there. It excites me that they are willing to deal with. Boris 'cause he is the super agent and Yeah i buy it at all. Either while say is how much or where do you apply to be the intern. That comes up with the analogies At these and everything like that. They said jackie bradley yesterday or today. J p j just spreads it everywhere or whatever the hell come on. I want that job. I come up with these analogies for scott nice it would be the free agent podcast with scott. Boris is doing that. Every week is out there. I'm surprised he doesn't do something like that already is it. Sounds like he does everything. I didn't realize until. I read that article yesterday yesterday that he does that every winter meeting at the club. I had no clue all you end up hearing all the cannon fodder falls out after the fact especially for blues to last year adhering carrying one thing that that gentleman actually said so before i go too far. I'll let you guys get back into this if you wanted. I forgot top show because this is still do new stadium. Steam dot tv is higher. I completely blanked. I'm sorry corporate sponsorships go so they thank you very much for joining us and having a good time with us and we'll continue the beers and whatnot and if you're looking for anything else stadiums team dot tv wise literally anything you can think of sports wise so it's not just isis everything you can think of and it's a really cool website. Check it out. Anyway i digress back to the poorest officer anything that you gentlemen would like to add on the scott. Boris thing as far as what this means for the blue jays going forward or any other interesting information or to would like that. I have one thing that i heard just before we hopped on. I was listening to tim. And sid and they object passing on earlier and passed an still very much on the george springer to the blue. Jay it. He's been on it since day. One and i don't know about the three of you guys by rosenthal. Was the guy for me like back in two thousand fifteen twenty sixteen before he left fox for the athletic. I feel over the last few years. Jeff passan is now the guy that i trust and listened to the most. I don't know if surpassed rosenthal a baseball circles entrust with agents in organizations but anything past and says i take gospel and a. They were just talking about springer but they were talking about their interest in everybody. Because everybody's making jokes at the blue jays checking in on everybody and passes like it's not a joke like they actually are making hold serious effort to be better and i think that can tie back to the difficulties with signing free agents in toronto. I think you have to touch base with everybody. You have to have like plant. Abcd efg to assigned guys and make your team better so everything that boris sing. Everything that pass has been saying all winter keeps me excited. And the fact that he's been on springer to the blue jays thing as the most logical fit in where he sees it happening. I trust that it's going to happen. I very optimistic. That george springer is going to be a blue thing other than the fact that you get massive segue points for where we're going with roster fallout from all these possible pending moves. The big thing. I think on this whole thing is the fact. That isn't going. You guys remember when these rumors that come up this like okay. Great you know we heard about a week and then it's like the. Yeah that'll happen and nothing. it's like. Yeah let's bring. Ken griffey junior retirement. Yeah that'll happen. I don't right but as it is. It's good stuff to here. But as far as like i said brennan's segue points here tonight. We are our main topic is going to be talking about. What could happen to the rest of the roster if we make these moves and let's just talk him in through individually first and see what the fallout from each one that will see what maybe the the quote unquote likely group could be as far as go to close up shop. So let's start off with. Let's say the blue jays. A giant of money and george springer slap at he decides to come north of the border. I face value everyday center fielder for the toronto. Blue jays makes the most sense as far as that. Okay we actually quote unquote right now. Have three legit out a oscar hernandez random great check and laura's gorell junior ranks. What happens to our lineup on the roster from after having bought or George springer in this. And we'll start with you bobby guests. What do you think the blue jays deal with inspires roster shuffling or. It is just the beginning a storm if something like this because it would be the top guy. Yes oh guys. H this road is on one side. Feed off your on really robotic talking about snowstorm. It's not the best right now. How does it sound one of sack. I was checking my internet before. The snowstorm is slow. Down my internet but They're gonna peacefully dropped out. Sounds like you're in the bus. So it a reset button on where you were going with that conversation i would appreciate it of course like you were saying that there's three Starting outfielders right now but we do have the spot open and if guerrero junior can get in shape at third base. That would be a huge help for the team. You can open up the first is and then the spot would also open so. I mean you can make roster moves which really have the ability to answer. They were kind of handcuffed with What was going on but additional obviously be a might actually lost you now doubt. I can pick audio. Actually did sound like he book ended his part. Yeah i i think that when it comes to The outfield. We'll start there. They signed springer. I think that is One of two things if there's no Subsequent trade involving gurriel. I'm saying this is to randall. Time to go on. Sure you would love to have the l. field depth. But i don't know that you're paying a backup outfielder that kind of contract I'd be willing to trade him for almost anything i possibly could. And that doesn't say anything about his abilities or inabilities. It doesn't mean that he's now a suit or for a different team. Adjust quite simply. We signed someone better So at that point you should. The first thing that the blue jays ought to do i think is explored the trade mortar market. Four lord.'. grill to see if there's anything that we can get in return that sub significant value aka starting pitching try to fill that void or anywhere else. Really anything we can do to make our team stronger okay. Now we'll we'll see if we can dangle a really really upside player with a really really good contract We'll see what we can do if nothing comes of it that tickles. The blue jays. Fancy on trading rental grischuk at that point on which springer. I think it's interesting. Because there are a lot of moving parts involved and there it could subsequently affect one of two people the more likely scenario. I think that would happen. Is we would trade away. Randall great chuck for almost anything we can get but i still think we're going to get some sort of value there. Yeah oh totally. I think that the that is the route that they take if springer on board that you don't have a need for rattle anymore You try to see what you can get for grachev. Whether that's like i want a little higher than a bullpen piece but maybe you do get a bullpen piece back a a good bullpen arm and that helps offset some costs. You get rid of grisham contract I think that. I'm not sure what caught a trade value. Grischuk has you might have to take along the prospect with to get a team to take him on but like adamy said it's it's not a terrible contract for what he's giving you. It's not something like wow. They've massively overpaid for the guy. I think he's living up to his contract. Almost two two point Maybe not quite as close Some tools there for sure if if they don't get a bite there than i think they're just like okay. Well let's see what we can get for lord.'. Fillers on the team right now. T oscar is in. My mind is the one that they don't move at all like he's not even in discussions unless they completely blown away by another team for an offer. I mean nobody should ever be Off table by. ti scars. Probably the closest to being off the table as it can get Yeah i that's where i see going. I still would love to see. Jonathan davis end up as outfielder. And that is possible by getting rid of one of the three that are already on the roster plus adding george springer so if you get springer and you have field of. Let's say let's say randall. and left. because he couldn't trade him or to oscar left. You have springer center and randall or t oskar rights is looking pretty damn good. That's a damn good start. And i think that's a better outfielder are now field then currently constructed so yeah. I think that's where i would vote. But to bobby's point is well Vlad took a lot of at bats at d. h. i think back to third opens up the h. So that maybe they can keep all four outfielders and get them enough at bats in a circle them around us the da spot circling around Got this guy because you just more segue points. Brennan's crushing it. I'm going to share my screen here once. I finally get off the where i want it. Have you guys this video yet of junior. We'll celebration grade with him more or less doing the undertaker bit. Yes go on here so anyway. Video curtains rise. This is fun but if this winter league i i. Is it really that different. You know he could be that already anyway. Going forward from the season. We've already seen the a little since our last recording it'd be does take surveys. Dislike look ridiculous when where does rented. Were you slotting springer into this into this the batting order. If you are putting the three guys or are we going back to some weird josh donaldson thing in your opinion a beats. I'd be thrilled. If he'll number two guy. I think that's a good spot for more. Could be litas guy. I think you can't go wrong with either. Having cavin bowl or george springer Some combination of one to whoever doesn't end up in the top of the batting order goes down to fifth sixth or seventh Thens like crazy. 'cause you could have a an order of let's just say springer's your leadoff guy bos you're number two or cabins your number two Glad you got to oscar for you. Have kevin of fifth. Let's say you get whoever's behind the plate catcher Then you have learned s or randall. Whoever it is. I mean the lineup gets pretty close to ninety where that's people you don't really wanna face Depending on how it all shakes out the and so yeah even just. It's crazy just added. George springer alone lengthens the lineup a lot and that isn't taking into consideration any potential break-up behind the plate. If they don't move on danny johnson look i. We've all been on this train. Multiple times listeners. Probably sick of us saying it but if they hold onto daddy you get a full year out. I fully believe a breakout is coming. I am going to be on that train and and keep on talking into existence. The off season goes along and opening day comes around. So if you have that plus springer you are looking at a lineup. That goes eight or ninety adam that up. How dare you sir. Put kevin zhou numb five. Sir you watch your tongue i would. I would put cabinet the leadoff. I would put bo- second. I would put springer third task or fourth vlad fifth have that nice jose edwin combo revisited. i do agree with you. Brennan all jokes aside. I said that in just but at the same time dairy. But i do think this does lengthen the lineup. A lot and the possible edition of someone like real muto definitely makes this a little bit more interesting but even given what we have right now. I also think that takes the pressure. A little bit off dan jansen and maybe a relief and pressure would actually make them more relaxed and perform a little bit better at the plate up that batting average a little bit in contact just a little bit too so if you stick them in the sixth or seventh spot and maybe that's still a little too low because we still have lawyers who are real on this team. You mentioned Coming as part of the which and we still have as of right now rowdy till is on this team which still the bench you know so if you make it to jansen and say look it's not that we're you better power hitters in front of you something that you did. Maybe that again. Release the pressure a little bit off of him and makes them more relaxing. He'll find a spot in the lineup but again we talked about this before. We need a solid solidified lineup. Most of the time we can't be dancing around and playing with the lineups space on matchups. I know that's the fun thing to do. But i do. Think a little bit of familiarity with the lineup does players. Well these creatures of habit so Eh george springer. Y- a solidifies spotlight. Yes yes yes so. Yeah i would put them at the three spot person mr k. Are you with us. Can you hear me I got lost on the george matter response. And to his point. With danny johnson he picked it up at the end of last year. I mean he started here. We we got a little glimpse of what he can do. And i think that was because kirk came on the team and he's is realizing okay get hit. I gotta show what i could do and put a little pressure on him. goes goes. I mean let it be a bomb. You're gonna have rowdy behind them right so you can clean them up and if any performs like you can like you started doing. I mean that's a complete lineup. I like it a lot. Oh yeah yeah as they know holes in the offense than a more kind of thing if some of these guys up to where we saw him in the minor leagues the janssen couple of other is. But that's a that is the twenty fifteen lineup and was nowhere to hide other angolans. I ain't going. That is fun on that team. Hundred and ten times over at playing second base with a defense that he did so. But you're not looking for that all. We got to hurry up and slot. Chris kulla bello in the left field. Got up like this coming into the lineup. So one hundred billion times over dirt springer is a solid insanely good fit for. This team is almost checking too. Many boxes The only thing. Obviously i really think they will come down to his vacant convince him to come northern border at all which would be it. Is i really. Don't i think the blue jays are going to be an on offer with the money that anybody else is going to be at this point because he is basically public enemy number one the blue jays offseason. They are going to get him one way or the other two so moving right along. I guess We'll talk realmuto. Adam brought that up a minute ago. Segue points lake segue points. It comes up We didn't get springer you needed to get somebody. Jt realmuto is probably the best catcher in major league baseball right now when you look at it from a purely analytic aspect some things that are some flags but in all reality he. He's a great defensive catcher. he's good offense catcher. I wouldn't say great. But i'd say he's definitely way above average. He's not your mic jasa. That doesn't give you offense in no defense but right it's ice balance. I think of the equation at catholic spot which which we were just talking about or hoping. Right now for a resurgence. Dan jansen match up to his minor league numbers or somebody like in ali ali. Hundred kirk just to come up and match winning a little bit of a preview for last year. I can do. Blue jays. fans are excited at mentioned. I've been watching him for a little while. I love the but adam brecca money all of a sudden j. t. realmuto pocket and he's starting catcher. What is gonna happen with roster. Where's the batting. Origo san conversation. We decide what george springer just romeu. I would assume recess. Gone if i was just. Yeah i would assume reece's gone. And i also assume that this is the only major addition we make so. This is assuming real muto without springer right. Yeah okay so. I would joe lusters. Yeah i would set up. I would probably stick real muto at the five spot. I would still stick with cavin bo. I probably put tae oskar at the three vlad at the four and then realmuto and then build it from there. Probably laura's after that in taos ask her rowdy and down line but it. It's not incredibly different. It's just it's i know that the signing would be great and it to me. It just screams consolation from springer even though it still a solid signing. I guess it's because maybe brennan you feel the same way. I have my sights set on springer so much that anything less. I'm just not personally satisfied. So goes the spoiled fan in me. Line ron yeah oh yeah it's I think because you can get by with an average catcher and having a not so complete outfield to me is a little bit more detrimental you personally. So the the construction of the lineup wouldn't necessarily change too much dramatically. I just think you have more upside. Signing guy like springer especially on the offensive side. Then you do real muto even though still would be a solid signing it even though the defense the catching ability would be off huge upgrade for this team so yeah not not incredibly different compared to the springer's theoretical signing but still pretty good. Yeah logging little extra right. Yeah yeah citing. Real mutoko is very similar to me. Assigning russell martin. I know it's probably gonna take money to get real mutual than it did martin And look it. it's tough. They did have to go fifth year for russell martin to convince them to come to toronto. He's canadian from montreal So that you need. People need to think of as well as the playing in toronto in canada. Walthall great and people come here and they end up loving. It was like yeah. I can see why it's such a good place to play especially when we're team 'cause you're getting fifty thousand people per night at the dome Still took russell. Martin met fifth year. Be like nose. don't go to chicago. Come back to your own country imply right so it is gonna take some convincing. They're going to have to offer extra on who they get. The i agree with your your lineup. Slot i think fifth or sixth is probably where. Jt real new togo's maybe fourth or third. But i would say like pretty much more russell. Martin was russell. martin. I is fine. Maybe sometimes as low as seven depending on how the The order going. I think real mute does bat right now. Given the he's around the same age martin when they signed him is better than martin. He has a better than russell. Martin the defence is probably about equal. Maybe a little bit even more on. Jt real mutual side than it was russell martin by yet. Nah that's how i view it. I take anywhere from fifth to seventh. I could see real mutual hitting in the order in terms of roster fallout. You have probably gone. But then that just makes me think that one of johnson kirk marino are gonna be that big trade trip to get him out fielder because if you miss out on springer look at next year's free agent class guys it is not good like you go through and look at it. There's nothing there either. There's nothing coming through the thing you know. There's nothing so you go. There's nothing through the minor league organization. Either that's right on the doorstep wade into come up and take a spot. So you're gonna have to make a trade for one if you miss out on springer signed. Jt us one or two of your catchers to get an outfielder in a starter. So there's a lot. I think there's a lot more follow with pieces in the organization if i'm utah route than there is a spring out sprayer out. Just shouts okay. Will we have outfielder. We haven't extra outfielder. Let's try to trade this one and then everything else can stay the same free buteau. It's like okay. let's move catcher few people within the organization at lower levels to get that piece. It just yeah. Springer fits so well real mutahi fits well too but just not seamlessly bobby. Jump in on the jt. Realmuto sweepstakes ago brennan. It involves a lot more And basically he's going to want a lot of years. Yes so what's going to happen to kirk. Are you saying kirks at the future culture for the organization. Because that's pretty much what that means. Just doesn't really make much sense like allegation. Mustang stein removed. I it seems like an afterthought like we get springing up. We gotta do something. Let's do it. Yes and you lose a lot with him so it doesn't really make sense to me and i don't really like move but i could see it happening but i don't like it and not only that you're also clogging up potential age spots but this is assuming that rowdy to lead stays on the team. And obviously lads gonna stay on the team and eventually real muto's going to have to move off the catcher spa especially if the knees give way so now you have three potential d. h. is that probably can't play the positions defensively that they're signing to play to it on an everyday basis. So that clogs up right right there. So you know forward thinking bobby. I think you're bang on when you talk about a kirk. Ray does sort of scream to me. Hey man i'm supposed to be the guy or the future in this totally derails. So i that point is trade right. Yeah i've agreed while percents If you do side j. t. frontloaded as much as you can get the back years. It's easier to cut bait with him unless it's just like well it's got live at the twenty million a year like we did with too low and you're not gonna play for us and we're just gotta wait pay off your contracts so it just screams more potential for pain in the long run with. Jt real mutola does with george springer. Oh do you think it would work that. You're you're talking about how we have to tack on an extra year for someone to join the team right and i think that's fair. You probably do. So let's just assume. Six five is the barometer right now. Let's just assume six and we're also asking to frontload it when players probably preferred the backload contract or totally. I don't know that someone like that. That's a free agent is going to want to sign even given the term. I think that players would be more inclined to sign with the team. That's going to either evenly distribute the contract or backload it for five then. Six years in frontloaded told him that for sure where right now. The catching market is for muto with matt saudi asian. Maybe for a job. But you just don't go on the biggest money players are able. It's a little different now. Maybe the one team has come back into the equation for was nationals especially now with a dump. They got dombrowski officially so no sorry. Those affiliates unranked are already been in it. I think the phillies maybe cried. Pour a little bit with how much they were complaining about. Money lost at the start of the pandemic. I don't doubt that they lost money. That's not what i'm saying but there is money there so dombrowski is in. He's gonna be like guys. We want to make sure that we live up to the bryce harper contract and get into the playoffs in in in our content for was cheering year year. And like we gotta bring back. Jt so i got competition from the angels as well the nationals and the phillies again. They're back in the equation there especially with dombrowski. Do he's do that. Wants to make impact moves right of vote. No doubt about that. As i think that move actually screams the fact that actually do that much shitty was i. Don't care did just get fired. Red sox i guys on the bus games and baseball over the last few decades. It's not not going to be a cheap thing for him. So a overpaid get him. They're gonna overpaid against somebody else. Bobby want anything to add to realmuto piece before we move on now. I mean everything you guys made sense. And i think that's a big thing that is talked about as does the fire and want to go there and play for nineteen and a tag of contract not just the money legislated backloaded or does he want to. I mean people do is because but i think was senator walker the microphone. Unfortunately because you're snowstorm fund. Was the blue jays break. Future is what satellite. yes so it's It's if you want to win now. It might be better for him to go to different depots in two to three years. I think that's bluejays are going to really compete for a championship. Yeah agreed talking about right. Yeah exactly exactly sprinter. Jt moved on takeover. Calm down slowly roll. So i wanna talk at least about one more at all to mortgage really. We have to talk about francisco. Lindores trade free agent thing but it just seems to me guys that this this rumors not going away if anything. It's only seems like everybody's starting to really see the pieces of the puzzle together even from outside the blue jays organization. Let's say the blue jays do trade laura's career l. junior a couple of top end prospects and we bag francisco indoor for toronto with a three year extension with giant bump global money on that too. Obviously let's say he's gonna be blue jay for the next four years disres- sake of argument. Here where is this lineup going. Now that we're going to obviously have to move around a few players things like that just to make things work and now we also have an outfield whole brennan. Leadoff sure yet definitely field goal moving off of loris It is nice. It's comforting if we're practicing with a with an extension knowing that he's going to be here for four years But i'll stick to what i've said if you episodes ago. I don't want to make that trade without springer already in the building Because i think springer in the building makes it makes it easier for Be like yeah. Let's let's let's sign up here for the next two or three years. Because as bobby rightly said they are going to be a contender in the next two or three years. The future is bright eyed notice. And i think that's why conversations with free agency and to be lasting a little bit longer. I know that they're still in the market. But it's not that the blue jays have trailed off in those discussions. Yeah i need. I need springer in the building. Before i make that deal. Just because that's like okay. We have springer not gonna take randall in a deal for for lindor. You take laura's yeah. I think they would and they definitely have their eyes set on some other pieces and the organization. I think it was out of either. You or craig shared in our group text before we came on the show that the mets are wanting to activate or sorry. The rockies are actively wanting the mets to make a deal with them for renault. Aaron i e for yeah. We've heard similar language of the indians or not the indians anymore. wanted to make a deal with the blue jays so they have their eyes when people are organizations. So if you get springer you give them. i'll they obviously know who they want from organization. I think that deal would get done pretty quickly so that that that's how i preface it. I think the exact package that the cleveland baseball team is looking for is One major league ready player with a couple prospects. The basically where the lowest junior park goes because in all reality guys is there. Anybody else says quote on quote major league ready for sure on this team outside maybe tasker hernandez that would be in that cheap. All i think they would want in a trade like this can make the argument rally. But it's still a up and coming idea you know is going to have to be lord. It's the way. I see far more digitally. Yeah he's he's far more versatile and i think teams are looking for that compared to rowdy So yeah i think if. We're getting a lynn door. And you know cleveland's asking for our player and return. It would more than likely be lord.' So yeah i. I i hear you brennan wanna come to springer you wanna have that move. Ideally done before making a move for lender. But i think the difference when it comes to springer in lindores springer sort of controlling his own destiny and usually. There's a pretty decent waiting period for that ray in. I think he's the type of guy that's gonna wanna you know sort of turn this into a bidding war so time is a little bit more on your on your side when you're trying to sign a free agent whereas with lynn door that could strike anytime the because it just takes one team to say fuck it. Let's just go. Let's just trade for or even if it's not born extension let's go and and then he's gone right so i think when you make a move for lindow i would do it the opposite if you make the move from door all of a sudden you get the attention. It's kind of like that meam where the girlfriend told him to do. Tanis around looking at the other girl walks by. It's sort of like that. See if springer sees at the blue jays are serious and they trade for linda accented or not springer. Might be like yeah. We can make some noise for a year maybe signed springer for. It's probably going to be. I don't know we're looking probably at a ten year. Deal for springer. Would you agree with that thought. That's really what is. His name was thinking very similar like the new age. Whilst i'm i'm thinking it's going to be a ten year. Deal dude salat. That takes them to forty one. Dude i this is someone that he's going to want to up the ante for those years. I'm not seeing him. Settling for five year deal. Maybe he'll settle for an eight but he's not settling for probably less than that. That's just my opinion. Do you think he'll do five or six i do. I think that's i think that's probably the maximum would get offered from somebody unless really unless somebody goes crazy i think they're looking at the age And everything like that. And plus towards the end Outfield career that might have to go into the d. h. Jt yeah. I don't think he's getting more than five or six. I think six year pushes it over the they'll be like okay. You give me a six year at twenty five per cent. I think gonna five. Let's say seven. Let's just say six an option to get could see seven. Okay so if you say if he signs if trade for francisco door and lindores not extended yet and springer's like yeah. We can make some noise for a year. Say that gives linda a little bit more of a of an incentive to sign an extension probably a four or five year extension. So then you had that core for quite a bit on top of what you already have with both having vladi pretty dangerous and so i think at that point. I wanna make the trade. I in before signing springer. Because you want to have springer to have a reason to sign whereas if you sign springer lindores can't control that destiny. We can't say yolks meter toronto. And cleveland's gonna be like we're not getting what we want for you so now. We're not going to do it. I'd rather yeah at that point. Yeah anything you wanna add to this linder to toronto thing as far as hoster fallout in apparently a lot of other fun things going on because it's a big moving on the move at lindores dry. You'd as long as my internet. Hold i i hear what aca and saying if the other people want to join. It's kinda like with the mets and they got a new owner people want to go to nuts. it makes it. Yes but you're still risking god dot going to happen and then you have come on. Yeah of course printed springer should be the focus above all else if you're able to work things around like that and get to work of course. We're all onboard but happening if if you trade indoor giveaway pieces and then all of a sudden it's it's a it's definitely risky right very good point mr. I don't wanna be a gm. That's both a tough call. Either way. Because i can see bali whichever way you go either to directions you ludar and then you try to lock springer to be like. Hey look at this. We got this new bright shiny toy. Of course we don't want to sign the dotted line right or you could go the other way science spring and then go to the indians trade him. And then that's when you say. Hey look at this new shiny toy francisco indoor of course you're gonna wanna stay for another two or three years so it's tough Makes me not want to be. Gm as to have mentioned the other piece to this that we haven't even touched on yet. Francisco. indoor comes at toronto gonna play shortstop we already have one of the best up and coming shortstops in all of baseball in both you're automatically having to move him somewhere on the diamond and then moving shut might move other players around adam minimum. I'm seeing that it's either at to play it short at third base second base at a minimum. You're talking about moving one of those two guys. Let's save land. Junior ends up with job for third base. Which is then now your everyday second baseman. Because he's gonna play the infield one way or the other and now the mentioned guys that's free dynamic infield with that or a resurgent lad junior that minute regardless of all his defensive flaws guy has an absolute rifle from third base. That makes up for a lot of the lack of range that we saw through his miley performance. And then you're gonna have roddick's allies. Who is a sneaky. Good third basement. That was learning from one of the better first baseman and baseball. Over many years in justin. Smoak i that's a very -fensive infield and unfortunately we're still not even talking about Adams man crush. Monday is kevin visual i. I don't know how with vlad coming back up and doing what plans do. And if he does do that how you keeping busy. Oh in the end. How do you guys see these chips fall in place in bobby. I'm hoping your internet owl's out good for another good point here to kick this off. That's the thing. I don't see it happening. It doesn't make sense. You want to keep those guys together because they came up in the minor leagues together. They played the other day like each other. They like playing with each other. Imagine getting your best friend traded away or whatever gets the proven of course better right now. But i don't think but i mean it would be a jumbled over there in the field and i would works all out. That's the name of the episode episode titled the phone or visit guy. Actually i think i called it roster student be roster followers than i can't remember but anyways i make and i it has a very very good point that tens again overlooking is the core that we've been sold as blue jays. Answer will pretty much three four years now. And i correct with that statement fellas you as far as they were literally their autographs On my mantle on a lansing lug nuts at all three of them so as the foundation. I've been preying on since they were all wearing those uniforms. So something if you're moving around and tailoring with that formula too much but then there's some say that we've already been tinkering with vlad moving around the field and all that kind of suppposed constant equation that batting leadoff spot for the most part are the second spot and playing shortstop everything else has been a kind of moving piece as much as i would love to see canon visual plan. Second day saturday. If this happens. I think he's gonna be the odd guy out. I really do definitely. Yeah yeah then it becomes like ben zobrist light like you can plug him in a third. When you need half back second you can put them in last. Put him in right and we started to see that towards the end of last year. Eight like he started playing field as the season went along. When travis shaw was kinda hitting a little bit At times throughout the season. That's where the just a little bit and after they got vr. That's where it was like. Okay well to make the pieces fit. Shaw you gotta get your bat lineup. Vr we just got so we're going to try to try you out at second base. I know it didn't end up working but at the time when it was like okay. Kevin go place in right field. Go play some left the out go play wherever it is so i could see that being beneficial like office. Was this close to getting ben zobrist on that team jays team that could have pushed him over the top for a world series. And i think you can easily find enough at data for kevin bijou. If that's the thing in my mind he would be in. Between what zobrist was what marwin gonzalez was that. His top in his marwin played everywhere he could play. First second third i think consolidation play some short and now he's kinda found a home in the outfield so if bounces around from place to place to place. He's better than marwin gonzalez. I think he can get close to what ben zobrist was. If you have that both of those guys have been on world series appearance teams if not world series champions. So that's a nice piece to have to just plug and play wherever it is depending on. Who's pitching that day. And some of the matchups yet when it comes to roster construction. I'm not really worried about it. Yeah i i do. Think they'll ill just figure it out itself out on its own. And we've already had confirmation from bo saying you know we're going to have an upgraded peace allah of francisco colon door. I'll be happy to move off the position And that's very professional of him. That's you know sort of beyond his years having that sort of mentality. That's a very team first mentality which is great so what we said this before when it comes to. He didn't prove it past season that he was able to play third base on a consistent basis. He's got earn that spot back at do. I have doubt said he can earn that spot. No i think he absolutely can but you gotta prove it to me and if we signed a for instance school endorse a consequence of that and saying dude is not any offense to you. Were happy with the work that you're putting in clearly. You are but at the same time. This makes our team better and we want to. Maybe yeah put you at first base. If we put you at first base baby then we can make move. Make him rowdies get in that aspect. There's a whole lot of moving parts not necessarily concerned with But at the same. Time to bobby's point. I do think that this screams. It doesn't necessarily make sense. Also blue jays fans were so attracted to these. Big name moves right. The springer's real move does the the lindores. We'd love that. But i've sort of hinted at this before. I don't necessarily think what is the last time. A big name player that the blue jays have been linked to unquote pan out besides troy to lewinsky in david price leg when that trade deadline happened it was no secret. Allergen topless was going for david price. It was it was everywhere. Wasn't even a whisper. Yeah it was just spring training. The blue jays get pregnant wednesday until you fifteen. Yes on record but any other time that you see blue jays urgency in this person blue jays. This person tends to happen right so i think when you have these other deals that will stir the club like i dunno I don't necessarily think. Trevor bauer is necessarily on the table legitimately. I think the blue jays will end up being outbid or just. Maybe he prefers to play somewhere else. I don't know. But i do think that if the blue jay i think the best player that they have of the rumored people the best shot that they have is probably real motel probably because i think the stakes for spring are just gonna constantly increase and that typically historically with this front office makes them uncomfortable to really go all in with term and i don't think money is an issue but i think term is what they're most concerned with so i think they're going to get outbid when it comes to that and again when you look at what they have in the outfield. The worst and jonathan davis can click. Then maybe not that big of a deal right and maybe they'll make like a quote unquote lower end signing like a suspicious. Maybe or something like that. We don't know it's it's possible but when it comes to the link names bobby's rate a lot of these moves. Just don't make sense the more segue points. I guess unless you're wants to put two cents down the head and adam most likely the most valuable. Yeah it's it's because remember does not. I mean he's a great catcher hits to sixty. He'll put up. Twenty home runs. Not like george springer gonna hit forty home runs and play a go outfield. So i think the most doable is rambuteau. But i guess we'll have to say i agree with that athletes. So that's where the next pieces conversation goes dry this last one because we're running short on time i really easy. If the blue jays through the last brick and money on the big three agent that they could in trevor bauer. i don't see any fallout was really doing is pushing the all the guys down the line a little bit as really the that is if we're gonna make a movie move right now purely on money. That is where the blue jays need. The big fit right now is in pitching somebody two really bookend with review and make that re really really really well and that was what came back by just a little bit of teasing real was the only guy that was supposed to be the stud and discussion. Didn't show up in the playoff game. There he was supposed to fetch but he got us there. So i'm not high of zero zero issue with that but if you had another guy to come out and game to that was quote unquote par with him or a premium closed or better things. Look a little different. Although match drew maker in twenty twenty playoff game look like that guy. Just got a little bit trevor. Bauer makes sense but yesterday is a big thing in money and in that line those extended years on his contract could play into the blue jays stater but it could be the same problem only have them for a year or two. And then you don't know what you have maybe better off. Spending your aspect will period but if it is only around for two years you do have the prospect pool to keep dipping into so okay. Great used to call in two years. I have money again right. Rockley anybody wanna point on that or did i. Sum that up appropriately is not much fallout when in terms of roster construction. There's not much while out. When it comes to power i'd say. Probably their biggest hole outside of announced fielder not even ranked this whole above. They need the number two behind ryu and bridge the gap to the back end of the rotation. So i think you're your biggest biggest hole because you can get by with the current outfield perfectly. Fine especially if t oscars breakout last year was real lord.'. Keeps doing what he was doing. Randall improves a little bit of what he did this past year. You're still looking at a good outfield. I wouldn't say it's a great outfield but a good outfield bat number. Two starter is is probably the biggest hole in the most logical one to fill on paper springer because he would trigger a trade for a number two. Makes it more intriguing for me to your point greg. You sign bauer for two years. You give them the money that needs at. When some of our young core starts coming up four their contract extensions bowers off the books. And that's just even more time to get guys like Educate or simian would richardson or adam cloth. Stein developed further. So that's what you could maybe take an swr and be like okay. Bauer you can go. You served your purpose for a year or two here we have. Would richardson ready to go. Let's do it. So yeah i like that route. Be able to spend the money on bauer where costs or low With the current roster is gone by the time other guys out for contracts and by the time other starters in the organization are ready to take place or worse case scenario two years from now. Have all those guys an throw another. Bring money trevor. Bauer and stay stable. Say though the last piece of the individual attribution to what this roster fallout. We have had many people asking on the twitter feed facebook feed and a couple to be that of all centralizing around the same things. And it's kind of going back to the scott. Boris what is most likely to happen. And if we are going to get the group of fires what is the likely scenario that bobby. I'll let you lead off here on this part while i could see the other two. I got the gears turning. I can't see what you got going on anymore. But you on the spot. I really the most likely right. So what was your other point the group what do you mean by the group owed scott. Boras reported there in his press. Conference is not only the blue jays looking for off free agent. They're looking to add a group of talent layers. The four guys that we've really mentioned the likelihood of the blue jays be able to get to these big free agents a trade dead. I mean i guess it really comes down to if they want to spend because i mean if if he wants to years you have find dhabi great. Obviously but you know why would. Why would you want to years instead of eight. I know that's what he said. But it is what it is imagining springer. Bauer eight years max contract. It's like it doesn't work. That kind of money doesn't get thrown around for any team. But i mean obviously if it happens you're going to be one of the best teams in baseball if they get three of these guys That's the dream but realistically it's not it's probably not going to happen in real muto is the most likely and i would say that like Brandon was saying the biggest need is dollar. I would say by far. I mean if you come with a one two punch and make it to the playoffs. That's to be tough to beat up from there. yeah. I the most likely out of that. That the group of four right. So we're talking real muto springer bauer lindor talking those forts. You'd like to add to the conversation here. You're mowing welcome. Yeah i think. I think someone that we're overlooking. I think someone that's being slept on and will probably be heated up in conversation was trevor. Bauer probably science with the team dodgers But once the team i think order is not a bad signing and i and i think you mentioned this before i could totally see the blue jays sneaking up like we have to fill in this rotation. He's not a bad arm to have and you can have them. Probably in a nice three year deal not super cheap. But i probably you're gonna over overspend a little bit you might be spending upwards of fifteen to twenty million a year but if it's a three year deal whatever at that point and that's a pretty good piece in your in your starting rotation that you can have and then you throw like a million dollars. J. happened to be like thirty eight. Thirty tyra blue jay or you. You go back to shoemaker and be like dude. Let's let's run this back. We'll make it right. We'll make it will will listen to you when it comes to if you had any issues assuming that he did with being yanked after three innings a in a postseason game. Maybe we got that wrong. There are so many things that you can do to make this team competitive but on paper. They don't look tremendously sexy right and again. That doesn't necessarily they're a bad squad. They can definitely contend with a team like that so of the four that we talked about before. I honestly don't see. Linda were coming here. I really don't. I can see team sweeping in the last minute. Or he just rise it out with cleveland right and just weights. And maybe cleveland deals and at the deadline for something that you know a little lesser of a package but something they they'd rather get something nothing right and there's a bidding worth deadline which i love those. I don't see springer coming here again. I think the blue jays are going to get outbid turns term. And i think at the end of the day that's going to suck in the immediate term but it comes to the long term application of this team. It's probably for the best real muto's the guy. The more i think of it makes more sense to go that route and having canned signing with the mets that pretty much gives the blue jays a little bit extra to be like. Look dude. we're going to go in any way unless you're route and barely make any money. Yeah right so there are pieces that you can put on this team and also i think you know just for fun if we're talking about it when you when you have players out there that could fill the void and we're talking about players that could service the blue jays in a way. You get like ken. Giles might be a reclamation project. You can say look. We're going to sign you to the vet minimum of giving you another shot to play on the team. We'll see what happens. that's fun it gives the blue jays. Good luck you. I would love for them to go after the hendriks. Just go come back to blue jays bro and just go otherwise. I don't know wha i don. I don't see a huge need that we need at that point outside of that you just fill in where they go and you you fill out the relation as best that you can and you do. Yeah if i had to rank the free the four. We've talked about it. So the question in terms of who i feel is the most attainable to get and the one that feels the likeliest to happen. I would probably go. Jt really does number one. I go george springer number two. I would go. Trevor bauer number. Three and francisco lead door number four. The only reason i put indoor floor is because it is by trade and it really depends on if the blue jays wanna go eat the asking price which i think it will be too high at the in terms of Somebody that we haven't talked about one name that we have brought up in this podcast for quite a while is taiwan walker and he's still still favourite So many toronto related tweets. I think he loved his time here. And i still remember him commenting back on. Somebody's photo on twitter of the tower of the sunset. He's like imagine waking up or going looking at that view. It's like i think he liked his time enough to commit to team knows what they're about. They got him in the building and he liked what he saw now. It's been very quiet. On taiwan walkers market because the whole conversation is bauer in after bauer signs. That's when guys like corey kluber. I want walker. There's another veteran out there on the market. I'm blanking on it's around the same on caliber hoop act passing. That's it those four guys are probably the next after bauer goes that's when their markets starts heating up. So i think taiwan walker could be one of those guys that okay. We didn't get our. It's not what we were expecting. Let's turn our attention back to walker. I think walker can be somebody that you add in january or february at some point if the market still stays cool as it is so i do think there is some caution about bringing walker back. There was some things to suggest that he did get quite lucky. With some of these numbers v was higher like kit significantly higher than was that can sometimes be indicator that maybe there are some regression coming but at the same time. He made an impression on me that i would welcome him back. If he slotted in a three or four and that's banking a lot on nate pearson rising to the in bridging the gap as a too. I think it may be if walker opens up as your to behind review and in front of pearson. You could be okay but then you really need napier. Step it up because they think by the end of the year will be like walker. You had to find year. You weren't the number to you. Were maybe more like or four and you could be a candidate. Start a playoff game. So yeah it's been very quiet on his front. I would welcome him back. I don't think it's going to take a lot of money to bring taiwan walker back a maybe a two or three year deal. I think that's fine with me and you might even be looking at twelve to thirteen million a year. which for him. I signed me up The only other name Outta be brought it up hendrix. The only other bullpen name. That i'll bring up with brad hand because that's been another one that is consistently to this team And he was cut loose fantastic last few years and he would be a great addition to the back over the bullpen alongside deletes. Enjoying romano f. You went into the season with hand or hendrix deletes. Enjoying romano do are laughing. Your back out of the bullpen is is loaded and that will give. That would be the most comfortable. I feel with blue. Jays bullpen going into a season. Since i know when like i can't name it because all these guys just came up as the season went along twenty tall When brett see soul in steep delebarre became all stars that was as the season went along. I have not gone into vision. Remember stage i think for dr duane ward. Thank you in the ninety two bullpens. Daddy's told me is like hanky award worthy shit back in the day. They were the two guys as soon as he got to. The eighth inning. You knew it was locked down because you went to ward and then you went you so if you could get to the seventh inning and you go you go romano hand dough lease or whatever order you no order with those three so siamese signed me up your bring back whole time came. In and everyone those gains the race is like and this going to be blown. There was no more. I just decided. So i agree with you guys. I am actually gonna go out on a limb here and say that springer's actually the most likely to happen and you guys know my hands on that saying i don't like the booth. I still don't like the move but there is just too much to it. Especially with the past and thing the whole rosenthal still stands about your too many mlb insiders. That are going. Yes they're pushing pushing pushing and then you heidi pair of the rumblings of the fact that springer is actually interesting. It's not going away. Otherwise if they fly out amount going or he's all you know inklings of the fact that he was not interested in all right. I wouldn't even john the boat the peace coming at all but there's just too much fire their for their for not be smoke and as much as i like. I said it's not my. I will never complain about getting him. I don't like the fact that go. We're warding guy that had anything affiliated with that whole astros team and that's where my ripe is not saying. He's a good ballplayer. Any blue jays wanna do that and we went world series. He's is not going to be at jersey. I ever hang on this wall tomorrow. If he sides tonight doesn't mean it's going to make the wall. It's not going to be next to all of the holidays and every not bautista that lip stuff and everything. That's that's sacred ground and then put it. They're exactly or next to the ninety. Three beer cans. I never drank so the world series ticket Back couldn't drink giving gifted anyway vela's I think that satisfies the fan of the show. bobby this is your moment to shine. Plug your video gaming or whatever you would like to do in your Your moment moment of fame here just one of these days. We'll figure out the technical aspect i guys. Now it's me we'll get you check me out on twitter by became twelve. Come hang out Everything is free for you to follow for. Hang out if you wanna sub keep your money. Don't sub just watch a free hang out follow. These guys are the best. Appreciate you having me. It's always a good time and gotta ask a really quick. What are you in you. Anthony playing these days on your playstation or whatever game on are upc guys naming valent which is a first person shooter. Nuts counterstrike he's obviously the show and madden to call east with the popular games. I gotta mix it up a little. You know. I get bored a game all the time every day but He's he's getting a pc now to. It should be arriving within the next two weeks and we'll see what he does not like three d. printer. That's on now at nine week. Lead time and style before weekly chuckling. Now i know right so gentlemen anything you would like to add before we sign off this evening blue jays land. yes This this is one of the most exciting seasons in quite a while because the blue jays names has been in the news so often. So that's fun So blue jays fans again. It's fun to think about. Springer's muto indoor. If it doesn't happen don't freak out. Team is still on the up and up as they are right now. These are just additions to really push them over. And there's nothing to say that nothing can happen in a trade that. We're not even speculating on. I do trust this front office's ability to turn the team into a legitimate contender. So yeah if it doesn't happen and these names that we're talking about don't up with the blue jays don't freak out we're still in good hands And the last thing. I'll say is Josh allen that's it interest not do show tradition. You got always flash the josh allen lakes. The right you're dusk anyway. Yeah bring it on gloat. He's gonna be devoted. Mark that down so brennan on that note we got your next week right you are. You will go ahead and plug absolutely it. People can submit them as well. So bobby if you have a christmas wish list for the blue jays that you want to submit it can be player. Signings player trades. It can be requests. That could be a starting in the rotation next anything. Like we've been seeing on the talk whenever you would like. They needed regular christmas. Wish list to the equation. We did this last year. We've done this past tuesday craig. In out of this will be your first one that you're on for our wishlist show Last year i think it came true. I think we were asking for a review type signing it. It happened. how awesome would it be just like last year i think last year you sign on the twenty second twenty third of december. How would it be if that happened again and be like this is such a beautiful christmas gift. Blue jays fans here. Here's george springer under your christmas tree lysenko. Oh wait it's just as cleats. Fidel castro's jersey. Throw it out don't you. Yeah i missed the jerseys. With uh with the bagwell's the killer bees. Those not good. Yes miss anyway. Brandon will be a very very exciting show in the meantime out there in youtube twitter. Podcasts verse wherever you're getting you're listening to them this evening or during the show. Please keep us to follow your messages to us. We are happy to listen and talk to him. And maybe we need to figure out something for fun for somebody does emit the coolest version of a wishlist item for this year's Pas a little bit. 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#NewBLUE and Winterfest Excitement
"Good afternoon bluejays fan. Yes a rare rare Craig. I think this is the first time we have done a Saturday afternoon. Recording of the Jaybird washing podcast. How were you like Rico host? I'LL UNLOCK UP IN TORONTO. Apparently he's dark and dreary here in Rochester New York but we have plenty of look things to look forward to Brennan as we have a nice little dusting of wonderful bluejays things to talk about since our last show where we were more or less just going hurry up and bring us on Nolan Air. Nado right where we put together. A hypothetical trae packers. Hey Fun I'll give you credit for coming up with your host. That was one. That was a fun. One and how many people have ripped off that podcast writing articles in the last two weeks? I think the The inspiration for people reading stuff. Yeah and now and now. It's transferred into hurry up and let's check in on Franscisco door. It looks like so. Maybe it's just GONNA continue down that road but that's what I figured we're going to be as blue jays fans seeing for the rest of the off season. Is these weird trade ideas and I'm just hoping that really checking in on these like they say they are right now but they have a chance to build a really good team here with how many prospects we have Brennan so it's good stuff. Nick do they actually do you know what actually? Mr Segue there. You go actually thought this popped into my head before we get into the Recap of Winter fast which happened exactly what week ago today. Craig be The over under totals on Vegas got released for the Division and the Blue Jays had believe are sitting at seventy four and a half or seventy five On the over under for wins this season which is almost a ten win improvement On the twenty ninth season Craig. Were a betting man. Are you betting over on seventy five win there you can take the under the be a little bit conservative in case there's some injuries or maybe the jump from some of these prospects and the young stub heading into their second full year Just want to be on the safe side and go the under. What would you do be boat? Would you be doing if you're offering somebody betting recommendations a seventy five win total bluejays heading into twenty twenty? I'd be unfortunately Brennan as much as I don't want to admit it. There's too many things that have to go right for the Blue Jays to seventy five win team. I still think we're around five hundred at Bass but right now if everything breaks out perfectly right I honestly. There's no reason we're not in the conversation. I really think on paper right now. We might be a better team than the red sox. At least on par with the Tampa Bay rays. I wouldn't disagree with that. I wouldn't disagree with that especially when you throw in the fact that the red sox seem to be in this odd state of transitioning when they're trying to figure out what to do with Mickey Bats. They don't have Alex Cora's manager anymore. David price could be off the books. Craggy saw that That rumor that was going around that the emergency bets trade talks but RED SOX Are Willing to attach. David price on there to get rid of his salary. If you take on Mookie Betts. Is that a train would pull the trigger on if you were Roth back into martial PYRO. Knowing the fact that you're going to get David price for a few seasons out of that and I honestly think right now to get a player like Mukhi bats to come and play in trial. Long-term YOU'RE GONNA have to bring him in on a trade and be like dude. This is awesome. You gotta come here and check this out you know. I don't see the giant free agent mega free agent ever wanting to come to Toronto willingly. Unfortunately and I think that's what that's built up unfortunate history of Toronto. Blue Jays stuff is factoring into that decision for me but when you get somebody like engine. Ryo All of a sudden coming in and starting open that door. I think a little bit. But you're not gonNA. I still would be shocked if all of a sudden if mookie Betts was a free agent legitimately in the Blue Jays even through a ton of money at him. I don't think he's knocking on the door. Go on the L. Let's make this happen. I think you give them that season in. Toronto on this trade he might by the whole thing and he's GonNa love it. It'd be like wow. This is way better than I ever imagined. And then he would be willing to sign that contract extension. Maybe that's just me. Yeah no I disagree. I think getting superstar talent whether it is a Nolan Aeronautica like we chatted last week without imports. Their or adding a mookie. Betts gotta do that via trade. I think that's probably the direction that the front office will go. If team has ended around the trade deadline adding that impact player via trade still could happen this off season. You mentioned Kicking the tires Francisco door apparently but I think it makes a little bit more palatable that you would have David price for a guaranteed three seasons. Mookie BETTS is only one season keep in mind but still the fact that you can at least have David price for two seasons after could make that a little bit more palatable Craig. Let's Kinda kind of a little bit off of our agenda that we set up but you know what cousin phone and Duggan's Lynch put together. Yeah together a hypothetical trade package four David Price and Mookie Betts. Who would do offer in the farm system to get that deal done and maybe a piece or two major league roster that could entrust? Fox's red sox whose untouchable and who would you include on a trade according to what I've been reading? They're looking for prospects in that trade. And obviously that's the reason they're they're hoping somebody will eat David Price Contract. You get them to take the payment and they get the players that they want for. Mookie Betts and David Price Right so in the midst of that. I'm looking at our blue the Blue Jays prospects and I'm thinking it's going to start in store starting probably stop with Jordan Roshan's Simmons would richardson the Blue Jays in my opinion are never even talk about eight Pearson. They want him. They love him. He is the Roy. Halladay level ace in the making kind of the guy. I really do think. He's even better than Aaron Sanchez. Wasn't his debut there the first couple of years. These has got so much. He's just oozing with talent man. There'S NO WAY IN HELL. I'm trading nate Pearson joined Groshans and everybody though after that I was a great ball player. Don't get me wrong but I feel like there is so much middle infield depth that he can be lost in a trade yes. He's our high end Guy Right now. But we have the San Diego ASPINALL's company and everybody out Thriller Minor League System so Heathrow Jordan Groshans and and then throw in. Maybe one of our other top ten guys. I don't think it turns into Groshans and woods. Richardson by any means. But if you throw in somebody like you know Alexandro Kirk or any of the other big boppers that we have. I don't think you had to go down the list. As far as Griffin Conan to get the Red Sox really nibble on this but some of those guys are floating around AAA AA level. And I think you could get this done I do too and to recap for those who hadn't had the chance to listen to our hypothetical packages all around. I came in strong And saying you could offer anybody to the Colorado rockies knowing Aaron Auto Including Jordan groceries and I did say For mookie Betts alone. I don't think you couldn't inclu. I don't think you have to include your groceries to get the deal but if you add David cry and you get to high end talent like that. Then I think back on the table so I agree with you. I think Jordan Groshans obviously would be the red sox big ask outside. Napier and And then you can present them with a list of starting pitching prospects that they've accumulated whether it's a Malik. Granola would Richardson. And Adam cloth. And Steve Joey Murray whoever it is and be like yeah pick one of these guys Or pick to lower end guys. That aren't as high end as Richardson. And we can get a deal. Done is it will happen. I doubt it. It seems like the padres are getting ready to bend for Mookie Betts. That's the latest Rumor in the mookie Betts sweepstakes but You know what man it's fun to dream. I like putting together. These hypothetical TRAE PACKAGES BECAUSE FOR CHANCE CRAIG. It actually makes sense. Given the high end talent. These guys have now in the farm system. It's not like we're going saying yeah. A few years ago you'd be like yeah take Connor Green and a strong read Foley. Who the hell would want them now? So if extra yeah yes only foliages barely hanging onto starter's role in the minor leagues. I John Green. I think conor green got caught. You're right I don't even know where he is. I honestly I won't even to the cardinals any Margaret League. The last six off. He's in the royal from with the peanut acquired for Grischuk so that's how that's why they're prospects and that's why. I don't have the issue throwing prospects at Nolan Erin Auto Francisco. End or or mookie. Betts I will tell you right now if I had the opportunity to chuck money at prospect. Her prospects that of trade though Linda Nolan Aeronautical are probably my two. If I had to take the pick right now verse the mookie Betts Situation. But you do get that Cherry on the top David Price and now you get two waypoints. Mr Nichols Craig Gordon. Well because that actually leads quite nicely into one of the main storylines that came out from winter fast a week ago and that was in packing with Boba Obviously there's two angles so that we can go shutting the first one. I want to take on in terms of talking about Francisco door who plays bogus position? Is that the Blue Jays. Did come to build this off season when they were pursuing the likes of a Didi Gregorius or potentially offering up trade packages four door. Or somebody of that Ilk Bobryshev would be willing to play a different position to get that deal done. How much do you think People and fans of the Toronto can take away but this front office is legitimately serious about making twenty twenty s season that they could potentially contend now that they've added hundred review. They've reshape the rotation to be more stable with ten roark and Chase Anderson and the fact that they were in on Gregoria and offered him a contract knowing that Bobo shut with willing to be flexible with where he played could play into the fact. That fish still could be a move or two that are made before the season begins to make this team. Potential Wildcard Team Craig. So I'M GONNA put this in the summary running because I think this is where everything's going. Everybody has seen where this team has been developing right. Okay She Piran Atkins come in. Strip things down okay. We're GONNA try keeping the team competitive at the major league level. But they're clear focus was on just bolstering the minor league system right now. We're seeing the fruits and the Labor that they put in over the last few years. Vladi shows and everybody coming right now. They need their at that point. Where like hey man? We got this cooking. It's our last year or so to go really full on in on this whole thing. I'm not saying it's the clear out the minor league system at the time you know. Cut off the top of the Foam Lake. Fricken topless did back when to go for it. Because there's a nice sustained growth throughout the minor league system but they have a team that right now has very few flaws Brennan. If they have a chance to do that at any level they should be getting ready to strike on a trade. I trade bar and be able to bring these guys in the back that bogus answered that team that game or that question perfectly I will do. Whatever have to do to win is what I got out of. Vogue shot and one way or the other we know he's GonNa hit and I honestly do not see a place on a baseball diamond workshop. Can't play I agree. I agree and you know what I think. Part of the reason why they are looking at such bad moves and asking these guys how flexible they'll be just as he said they've developed. This core is pretty much on the offensive side of things with the additions to the rotation the rotation. Come together quite nicely. And we'll get into that later. I WANNA touch on Tanner roark specifically in a little bit. But now this front office is going to have to start playing into getting a contract extension. Because they're both very close to the end of their deals Marshall Pyro and rock and but it's time to start winning in twenty twenty could be one of those seasons. Where even if they don't make the playoffs if they're around five hundred that is good enough? Growth to justify contract extensions from Rogers to hand down to zero and hand down to Ross Atkins. It'd be like yeah. You guys have done a great job. He's done exactly what you said. You took it down to bare bones. He traded away all studs all the guys who everybody loved him. Twenty fifteen and twenty sixteen. We built it back up. Twenty seventeen twenty eighteen twenty nineteen now. Twenty twenty and beyond. It's time to start winning and we're starting to see them. Being willing to pushing their chips spend their money as we saw with review and roark and adding Chase Anderson I think he summariser perfectly my man. It is time to start adding high end out to this roster and I think that there's also play into the fact that this front office knows they need contract extensions. They need to be around here to finish the job. Do you think that that's part of the reason why they are starting to probably a little bit more aggressively than in years past at how young talent? It's a good question but I think at this point they probably already justified it with the reassigning and all this other stuff that they've been doing over the last year and the fact that they have drafted all these guys outside Vladimir Guerrero Junior. This is a team built by Shapiro and Atkins as is on the T- on this is the first one really gonNA see all they're doing right and there is not anything on paper here. That is completely glaring disgusting flaw in his team other than you could make the argument for Centerfield but there is enough options there that you would think that one of them would catch fire and run with this team so if you have a chance to all of a sudden like I said throw prospects at an get a mookie. Betts a Nolan error. And I'll franscisco door. This is a game changing thing. This is exactly like what the Who Was it that signed it anyway? You sign a guy like this here odds all of a sudden completely change over your team. It's like the White Sox in Dallas Kaikal and everybody this week this year. Yeah it's all of a sudden the team that looks like it could compete as early as this year with all the young talent that they have. I can tell you right now. I still think right now looking at paper. The Blue Jays have a better team the Chicago White Sox. And they're going crazy on talent right now whether it's on the free agent market trades so you can go out and get one of those guys to complement being around Gorell Junior and everybody and it's going to be insane Brennan. This offense is going to be something special I think as it sets already and then you add something like that. Catalysts like the firemen the fire. And you know one of those guys who's GonNa be largely responsible to the Blue Jays success or failures in twenty twenty Bob shot and that's the second storyline that came out of talks with though beset and he has already said expectation for himself that he wants to be the American league. Mvp In two thousand twenty huge talk for a guy who's only been here for two months since he got called up at the very end of July Bobo. Shed is already setting the table and the tone and he said he wanted to be the American league. Mvp and that's the goal of his for twenty twenty and he also said it is nice to see the front office making additions to complement. What we all thought in the clubhouse could be a competitive team in twenty twenty Craig. Is this the start of Bobishenko becoming the face of this franchise because this guy has all the flair he has all the makings to be up potential superstar for this team? This team heading into twenty twenty right. Now I think its shuts swagger lead this team one way or the other Don't get me wrong. I think I really think that that. Bose mentality. Work Ethic is going to be the Josh Donaldson in this clogged clubhouse. What we've been missing the last few years. He's going to call out guys because he no he is going to be putting in one hundred and ten percent everyday but then you have the just the fallen prowess of somebody like Vladimir Guerrero Junior. That's going to be in the lineup all day and we already saw what he looked like. He's ready to go right now. That's shape of his life. Yeah Life candidate at the age of what twenty one. This isn't Pablo Sandoval at the age of thirty five. So but then you had like we have a three headed monster and those three guys. I just do not see a locker room ever having any problem when you have those three different types of leaders that are going to be in this locker room. It's the same as having Jose Bautista Russell Martin and Josh Donaldson that Locker Room. In two thousand fifteen it is it absolutely is and you know what you can add in a Russell. Martin comparison to Danny Johnson or reese McGuire And actually there's another storyline. That just kind of popped into my head is touch on this first before. Getting into Tanner roark as I crossed earlier. Recent Aguire Winner fast went on record and saying that after the Jay Sign Hundred Review. He reached out to Russell Martin. Because Russell Martin has experienced catching review. I mean man. Recent wire doing that work and putting in the effort to go out of his way and reach out to Ross and Russell Martin helping them out giving us some tips. How big is that going into? Twenty twenty but recent wires able to lean on a veteran like Russell. Martin already had experience catching hundred Rio. I think it said something that when you have those relationships with players that you have to lean on them regardless of where they end up we all know that you know reese. Mcguire might have been a little bit ahead of Jane Johnson at one point but they've leveled off obviously at this point and then there's different arguments on which I one would be starting over the other by the fact that he's dedicated his team or his craft turnaround reach out to a veteran like Russell. Martin that had been catching hinge in Rio over the last season. That's all bonuses all great things and that's what I think all these guys on this young team need to be doing. How can I get better? What are these little edges I can take and make this a twenty twenty to remember? It's GonNa be fascinating to see how all plays out the catcher businessman with plenty of episodes to cover that. So there is two two or three storylines that really came out of interviews. That when they're fast now this last one. I want to touch on before we get into the front of the New Jersey. The New Blue Hashtag that they were really pumping up the LACI WEEKS. Heading into winter fest now. I'll preface this by saying. I'm not sure if this was an interview at winter fast with Marshall Pyro or maybe right before it I was listening to at the letters with Ben. Nicholson Smith an artist welling and they were talking about the addition tanner roark and some of March apparels comments surrounding tanner. Roark was at the front office when deciding to offer him the deal and get them to. Toronto is the fact that they soften stuff in his arsenal. That they believe they can fix whether it's mechanically. Maybe just mixing up pitching a little bit. More throwing his deadly curveball. More than he did last few seasons with the nationals and the Cincinnati reds and the athletics That they think that tanner roark could be That stable guy that solid number two with those minor additions now what? Ben Nicholson Smith and Arden's welling said in relation to those comments. Is I believe it was swelling? Just has this feeling that. Tanner roark is going to be and follow in the exact same footsteps. This fan base as J MARCO. Estrada to moves at the time where people were like what the Hell? Why are you trading win to get Marco Estrada this home run prone guy? And what the hell are. We doing. Sound J. Hat to three year contract. We already know what happened. We had them here already. When the J. Signed Tanner Roark? Even we want our episode. I knew I was a little bit more critical of it than you were saying. Okay he's a guy who can be in their innings giving you about a forty. Ira but Craig would. It really surprised you with those fixes. That Mark Shapiro says they have identified roark a better picture than he was the last few seasons quit. He followed that Marco Estrada and J hop Trajectory with the fan base and really turn himself into a bit of a fan favourite. Yeah I think he could be the pack. There's just almost as to eerily similar right. You got somebody that's had some success and Marco. Strato had plenty of success before coming to Toronto walkie it was just a mixed rotation role and back and forth from the bullpen but he was very useful one way or the other all those times. Tanner roark is starting pitcher yes he pitched out of the bullpen a little bit last year but he is got the arsenal guy. That should be in this rotation especially as we're going to be bringing more and more youth in this rotation over the next few years great. If you have a few things he can fix. It's only going to help him. But he's there to be eating up innings getting most baseball out of them you can before the youngsters come up and I think is a great signing. They obviously went after him for a reason especially as aggressively as they went after him. So if they have those few little tweaks can make him a great starting pitcher again. This is a guy that was one eight and when he won. Eighteen Games and twenty sixteen with an athlete. So I think that's what it was so this is a guy who has not too far off and obviously some things happened in Maybe it's mechanical. Maybe it's lassie. Maybe it's age. Whatever it might be bought if they have identified some key things that could be the main things to come into spring training. It could be a whole different pitcher like Marcus. Margot Strato came in and let the world on fire and it just had that insane dip on his changeup after changes grip a little bit. That could be something as simple as that makes. Tanner roark a complete Stud. And maybe our second diamond in the Rough Matt. Shoemaker find you know I would love nothing. More than that. 'cause man matchy maker was unreal and his five starts to go. There was awesome before he unfortunately tore his ACL. I mean we both agreed that that would be the balloon that popped was match. Shoemakers injury to this team. And all the fun stuff that they've started to build up a maple. But you know that interview that is if into with Ben. Nicholson Smith and Arden's well really made me feel better about the additions of Tanner. Roark and Chase Anderson and their main point was everybody in major league. Baseball is always out to find veterans. Who can eat innings and give you quality innings? I mean man. A quality start by definition is six innings. Three earned runs and that equals four fifty. Era So if you are below four fifty Rafer your season technically you kind of are in that quality range and there is no reason to think that Chase Anderson and Tanta. Roller cannot be quality. Starters that are healthy. Go out there every turn to the rotation and eat innings for this team something that they just didn't have available to them last year. And Honestly Craig. I don't know about you but this rotation could be sneakily. Good when you look at you. Got The high end talent in you. And then you have roark. Anderson hopefully match shoemaker. And in fact you can push a Ryan rookie. Or a Trent Thornton who went out there and started playing on game through. Potentially out of the rotation entirely. This could be a sneaky. Good rotation heading into twenty twenty think. Worst case scenario has the depth that we desperately needed last year. Sure does the thing I I love that. It's yeah you got your Stud Right. But the fact that everybody else after him is they have their different strengths and everything but they're all about on the same level in my opinion even all the way down the Thornton you know that they are quality pitchers and like you said. If what's what's the worst case scenario they gave up three or four runs. And that's where your normal is every game. I think this offense that we are looking at here is like the offense we had in two thousand fifteen where we're going to be scorned. Four or five runs every game at balances out to a lot of wins Brennan. And that's all we're looking for here more wins than we've had the last few years and that's what. I think they did with bill rotation definitely definitely now Craig a little bit of fun stuff that came out Of Winter Fest was the new blue the new uniforms. What were your initial thoughts when you saw those revealed by the four models who told you something about the four guys that they chose to sit out there on stage was glad it was bowing cabin. And then Randall. Grischuk was the fourth model of the New Jersey's out there. What were your initial thoughts of the new blue The entire thing to uniform pants the Matt's blue helmets that they're going to be wearing the new hat. What do you think about those? My first question is why was Randall. Grischuk there I did. At first I could not even tell that they were actually blue with the way they had the lighting and everything on stage and everything Brennan. And I'm like Oh this is white jerseys with a blue tint or is it all the lights shining on them and they're blue lights. What so I was a little confused until I finally saw the later in the day. Some of the actual close ups of the jerseys and everything coming through and honestly. I Love Them. I A little mixed on the hat but the helmets look spectacular. I love the fact that they went to this. They didn't even change the blue. The blue from the early or late seventies and I just love the fact that they're not po- overs putting ups like a Real Baseball Jersey in my opinion should be so. I'm all in on it. I just don't know about the hat and apparently you're wearing it so I'm just going to have the band and get one of my own at some point but I was wondering why they didn't go more into the. They were already using the white panel hats last year. Why wouldn't they just keep continuing to do something like that or I just thought maybe not including the in using that secondary regular blue blue as the full hat again would have been more nice but maybe this is my opinion yours. Yeah it I love it at The the uniform slack I was worried that they were gonNA go a little bit too old school with the powder blues and bringing those back you know what it is a more modern look on the old classic which like They didn't really change anything all the same lettering. Wording the logo And everything so. I think they hit a home. Run with the the uniform in particular. That Matt Blue Batting helmet that they're gonNA be wearing is really cool and that was something that got a lot of positive reaction from the fans who were at fast and people who weren't like those of us who got to see the reactions on social media on twitter and facebook or wherever else. You saw those uniforms posted but I will defend that had plate. Nice I was little I was a little on defense when I saw the pictures and K and when I went and picked it up at the J. Stop on Thursday. I'm like damn this is Nice Hatton yes I am wearing it right now. I felt it was appropriate to where we were just wondering how much it looks like in the pictures I saw. It almost looks more like a little kids you know. And that's what I didn't understand but maybe in person it looks a lot better but I just thought it was almost too much of the new blue. If you brought it over onto that onto the hat. That's all I was thinking. I was worried at first. It was just going to be the entire new blue in this different shade of Blue Jays. Blue that they're initiating the darker blue coaches. I will say it is a nice change when they first changed the uniform. Back to or alter this new in twenty eleven They only had that one blew hatcher every Jersey degrade the white and blue. They would wear that one blue hat now. Fans have their choices from this new one. The blue one the old one and The white panel hat as you're referring to so we GONNA help merchandise. That was so I think they finally got one of my own. The white the new white pounds. I have a couple of old old ones man that are there. That don't fit me anymore but I have them. There is still man with the old logo baseball and everything and I just. There's something about that to me that. Just maybe it's just because that's my first world series ever being fully invested in one thousand nine hundred and that was a half they were wearing. Maybe that's what it is but I was also very shocked. Likes those batting helmets as much as I did brandon because I was always one of those ones I was looking at all the other teams in Major League. Baseball do it. And then the Yankees did it. And I'm like Oh God it's like it's nothing special. It looks like a looks like they didn't even care. I can't say and just make it this color. We'll everybody'll buy it right So but the fact that the Blue Jays. I've always thought that glossy look on the blue helmets. Made it pop you know. I never thought they would get that same mentality of that pop. That blew off helmet. That was like powder coated like this. So it's it's GonNa be a lot of fun seeing them. Try Out there in this New Jersey's Craig and I can't confirm for anybody listening. They have a Chicago bluejays store. They actually when I was in there by my hat on Thursday. They were getting a ton of all the New Jersey fully stocked with with Nike Jersey. So if you're a way to get your new Blue Jays jerseys they have a ton of review they have a ton of Ezio glad and both of the four guys who are probably going to be the four best players on this team having in twenty twenty So if you're listening and you're waiting to. Yeah what is? What is the Nike swoosh? Made him really expensive. Yes yes they are a little bit more pricey than the majestic wants all because of that stupid. He checkmark check L. Knowledge. I'm hearing. Yeah just wait. Until they're on sale or trying to find somebody with good discounts before you go out and buy them because there are a little bit more pricey justic but you gotta pay to look Good Creek. That's the thing when you live in a big city like Charlie. You've gotta pay the retro stuff. Every time I come up there ebay served me well reaction. That's for sure wherever somebody sees that the all the stuff from the early Delgado years where the The maple leaf was more prevalent in the logo behind the actual blue Jays logo. And I just something about that logo that carries home with me too so I was surprised that when I was wondering when the new blue stuff was coming on like okay. They're going to do the full power blue thing or are they gonna go semi retro old school with going all the way back and find somewhere in the middle there where they had some success as well but I either way. I'm just glad it's still not anything crazy. New and classic beautiful at the same time right. I agree I agree fully. So that's the fun of the uniform. They came out and that was a big talking point. We got some of the main storylines from media access interviews out of the way there was something are a few things. Actually that flew a little bit under the radar and it was the fact that on Sunday Jake had announced that they had signed five veterans to minor league deals with invites to spring training. Now as you and I both know and probably the majority of the people listening to our podcast no no minor league signing the bad one it's no risk signing somebody who could win a job that's being training. We days have had success with this in the past most recently with a tyler. Clifford Anna John Experts from the two thousand eighteen season. But Craig this team added to infielders. In Ruben Tahara the Old New York mets shortstop Joe Panic. Who actually I think is the most exciting out of the five guys. world series champion With the San Francisco Giants Gold Glove winner. Who has some very good seasons in the past Ryan dull the reliever who had a bit of a cup of coffee with this team in twenty nineteen and then to catchers and Caleb Joseph who most fans may remember was statements dust up with Marcus stroman behind Joseph when Joseph is a Baltimore. Oriole and Patrick Cantwell Probably who will be there as veteran catcher in Buffalo? Maybe Joseph as well Craig out of those five name. Who Do you think has the most upside? And who has the potential to come into spring training in walked away with a job honestly? I'm wondering if this minor league. Cy signing is gonNA fire onto the Joe Panic. This guy is fallen off a cliff. The last few years for the giants guy and I can't believe his career is over with at this point. He's was this guy that was just perennially annoying as her. All those years where the giants were in the You know in the playoffs is one of their best players in playoff baseball with the San Francisco giants during their main. Run there the fact that he just like. I said he fell off a cliff. I just don't believe it. This is a insanely good Bilo candidate. That clearly has a chip on his shoulder. Probably to want to get back into playing in the majors and in all reality. Brandon has a great glove if he can get back to hitting the ball as well as he was or even halfway there. This is an idea that might push cannon busy. Oh back to the outfield really. Give us a good solid one through nine and maybe even fix the quote unquote outfield issue. So yeah there's a so. There's some nice domino's that fall. If Joe Panic comes into Spring training hot and I even think to an extent Ruben. Too Hot but I think is if you're looking at the two of them on paper show. Panic is gear guy that clearly has a chance to run away with job. Spring been outed me screams guy. Who's probably GONNA START IN BUFFALO At shortstop there if that's all Play that second or third base or whatever but yeah You your exact same wavelength as me and a lot of people who when they saw the announcement of Joe Panic and certainly well. Maybe they're getting serious about making cab. Ezio outfielder and it wouldn't surprise me to see Kevin Bijou play a little bit of Bellefield meet Spring Training. Because Hey if sticking in a corner and then you put brick and center all-star in center then. I think you're actually looking at a pretty decent outfield Muzio Louis CORREAL GRISCHUK NPR. Maybe a Derek Fisher. Now that they have the twenty six man on the roster the other thing I think that this plays into question Crag is Brennan Jewelry. This got a light a fire under brain injury as well because jury has talent. We both know that we've seen it with the Arizona diamondbacks but in his year and a half with the Blue Jays. They him for J. Hat. Jury was injured when they acquired him in two thousand eighteen and then last year other than against the Oakland athletics jury was basically a non factor for the majority of the year. So could this start to spell the end of Brandon drewery as a Toronto Blue Jay because the logical roster move if panic outplacement would be to. Dfa brain injury or start in in the minors with his one option remaining and half panic. Take the majority of the reps as the backup infielder or placing second basic. Easy the outfield. What do you think I honestly was wondering how much that was even with? Sign route the hottest. Oh my God they're going to just completely push them out to pasture are least they're going to give him some steady competition comes spring and. I think that's what they should be doing with jury. He hasn't performed as well as they thought he would. And he was really a throw in on a trade that you know we kind of had to make so I guess it is what it is at this point. Bought the fact that you brought in those guys like panicking too hot to come around and really bolster that part. What'S THE WORST CASE SCENARIO? If Jerry does start out in Minor Leagues Japan. Gets hurt right off. The Bat and the season drew removes the Armenian up as you move back the second base and you bring up brandon jury. That's not bad situation for the Blue Jays. To begin. They got in and I think that's where the team this year is going to be so good because no matter how you really shuffle this there's a guy that's going to be able to come in at least as good as. Guy. He's replacing minus the bodies and whatnot. But you got a good average above average even possibly player to plug in that position and it it makes that much easier for the team to compete and Joe. Panic is a guy could get back to his forum. This guy's a two seventy career hitter. You know it's not Brandon Jewelry Ben. What thirty probably for his career running? Yeah something like that. Yeah. I think we're both in agreement I believe Joe. Panic could walk away with a job and could be quite solid for this team and if anything you know if panic does start out there And you got both short and you got some decent gloves over. Efforts based China shop looking at a decently decent defensive infield other than at their base which remains to be seen. What happens with live and defense there But I think joe panic could walk away with John and if he does. I think it could spell the end of Brandon jury and it could also legitimately be the start of accelerating cabinet. Ezio into the outfield could come in from time to time to time and place them so I can base so interesting. Minor League signings around worst case scenario if you got a former. Nfl Gold Glove talking with Boba shut and busy up the middle in spring training. Yeah he won the Gold Glove Award in two thousand sixteen for the National League. When he was with the giants. So that's pretty impressive. I don't care what anybody says. Win One of those things. Put that Rawlings hardware up on your man to let some. That doesn't go away magically. Yeah you still got the glove. There's no doubt about that of the back and come back to what had been in the top of the giants and I think we gave have made a very sneaky impactful under the radar move by signing Joe Panic column as if he became like Omar vizquel wants a few years ago What he did on my God. It'd be that's that that that right there. Brennan could be the catalyst that really ties all the other loose ends together and pushes this from being a super young team to that veteran being somebody that these kids can gather around and go with so very cool signing. I've always it is actually. I thought it was a slight genius because I didn't even think about putting Joe Panic in the blue jays uniform because of video and now that looking at it more and more is like Oh my God. This is the best idea ever. Yeah absolutely it is a very good piece of business. There's no doubt plus it doesn't help that He is probably the major leaguer with the closest last name tonight. And I've had a car help you. Why do I feel like you're going to get New Jersey with panic and then have a a a a pottery and that have the Iraq Iran extract and Hybrid Jay Z. Mixed to catch it takes speaking of On the radar moves The Brigades made another one today Before we get into the fun stuff of the promotional schedules that was released. The Blue Jays made a move to bolster the bullpen today This was rumored to be coming back right around when they were signing. Yamaguchi in hundred review from all the The diving into Japanese Asian media that Our friends like Jason Lee were doing and And others But Raphael Dell Lease Reliever. Who had a cup of Coffee The Big League level number of years ago went over to Japan and in Four Seasons in Japan. Raphael Dolan says the reliever pitched two hundred six innings. One hundred fifty eight hits allowed a nine point nine eight or nine a two point seven based on boss per nine to forty nine. Era In ninety six to add a little bit to pitch mix according to Scott Mitchell. A Ninety six to ninety five mile per hour fastball splitter. He doesn't allow home runs. Either Craig off six home run. I was huge. Six home runs allowed in two hundred six innings in Japan and at Scott. Mitchell wraps up his tweet and Little incident doughy says already in the eighth inning. Mix with a good spring. This could be really really interesting. Addition of Raphael the at least this bullpen. Who needs some velocity outside of Ken Giles? Yeah it's going to be a nice little pairing because we were wondering who is going to really step into that you know quote Unquote Eighth Inning Guy. Because Alfred's Peres gone. Who who else is you know? Van Around the last few years to be able to take that role in this run with it right. I was wondering how much it was going to be. One of these young stars that misses the rotation that was going to be that guy I rotate our bullpen. Now I'm a little bit more comfortable that we got a guy that can come out air out right in front of Kevin. Giles and from what I was reading elsewhere. That's SPLITTERS FREEDOM. Nasty and so it's a nice change of pace from ninety six ninety seven ninety eight mile. An hour fastball. To Watch that thing dive out of the zone and apparently it's in the high eighties for what I was reading. So it's a nasty pitch and God forbid he figures out one more. He's going to be something very very intriguing in the back of our bullpen for lion. You know it's a one year deal but this guy's trying to get into the majors day. Three two years old the guy that could become a blue jays guy and I just think it's hilarious that we have more apparently scouts in Japan than I ever imagined over the last few to find the lease and every obviously Yamaguchi signing was a little bit more obvious. He's one of the better pitchers over there. But this one is one completely caught me off guard as far as I. It's it's been slowly building for the last couple of weeks but I didn't think we were gonNA pull the trigger on it so very nice to see them adding to the bullpen. And not just going for full dumpster dive guy. This is a legitimate reliever for the major league level for the Blue Jays. I yes I completely agree and you know what I think. It makes symbolize their signify to fans of the days. Maybe that's it trigger additions in the Bullpen. Where you have had additions of. Aj Coal on a minor league deal. You have Anthony Bass And then you have guys who were there last year. Obviously Giles. But outside of hand yet wilmer font Shin Yamaguchi could be the longmen out of the bullpen San devillier still there. She being up when you add in there if AJ coal runs away the job He knows the bullpen could actually be quite decent and I think the one very underrated guy in the bullpen correct. We can just touch on a very briefly The one guy who could be an x factor making the bullpen. Really good as Wilmer Font. Who really seemed like he discovered something towards the end of last year and he was an opener if font and continue what he'd been doing at the end of twenty nineteen to bring it into twenty twenty. And you had to lease you have giles and you have bass and coal and whoever else round the bullpen. Actually starting to be a decent looking bullpen. Yeah it's looking that way and it's not even into the question of who'll hex actually left in the minor leagues or some other guys. That could be sneaking up into this. This possible bullpen role. And you have that guy like wilmer font that looks like he really did figure something out. I really don't know what the hell he did but I couldn't believe watching him earlier in the year and then watching him in a blue jays uniform all of a sudden like night and day. They figured out something. I hope that's kind of crap that they figured out for ten roark. Because how nice would that be right? But the fact that they had like the Tyson's and the Kirby needs and whatnot world also coming on. There's some good guys in his league system that it could be pushing those bullpen. Spas along with all those names. You just went brandon. We have all of a sudden a ton of depth. That looks like it's weird. I don't know what the thing that's all over the place they bad. They wish they were little bit more higher debt in the outfield which I guess they're still kind of is But at the same time this This fun office has built a very collection of starting pitching depth bullpen depth Imposition player depth as well. So there's no shortage of guys who can come up throughout the course of the twenty twenty season indie probably likely and unfortunately event that there is a major injury or to hopefully not knock on. Just did there you go So all all in all Craig I think this off season has been a good one. There was a lot of good things to come out of winter. Fast With some of the good media story lines that we covered The Minor League editions On early contracts In some of the other moves that this team has made Over the course of winter Let's put a start putting a bow on this episode In terms of covering a fun topic for people who have probably have the chance to dissect the Blue Jays promotional schedule for twenty twenty. Some pretty interesting stuff on there. One thing that caught my eye right away Craig. Is that unlike last year. Dollar hot dog night was only the first Tuesday of each month. It's every Tuesday. Home game dollar hotdogs so if you really want to save some money buy yourself a cheap ticket. Then you'll get four hotdogs for four bucks of this show that did that rather efficiently last year myself included so but yeah I honestly I can't believe how many Good Promotions are actually on the schedule. Brennan there's a bunch of bottle had nights Pena Power Beach Towel night. There's some good one one offs here that I was not expecting other than than the figure hopefully expand on the looney hotdog idea just for the fact that it's so simple and so stupid. You get people to the ballpark Ritchie night. You know it's what the hell. Why wouldn't you do that on a Tuesday night every week if you could just seem weird? But they're doing the normal like the country days school days and whatnot but honestly. I'm shocked that they're doing this one on the opening weekend the Vladimir Guerrero Junior home run counter bobblehead. Thing is so damn cool. But it's on a Saturday. I don't remember them. Having any bottle had days on weekend games for a really long time especially opening day weekend you know. That's I'm figuring they're going to be close to sell out with all the stuff anyway. So that's going to be a fricken elbow fast. If people pushing around trying to get those things. I think on that Saturday afternoon. Yeah yeah that's true there's Spur Saturday of the year. The Boston Red Sox people still excited about this. Keeping probably seeing one of the new editions out the mountain. Either railworker J. Anderson if that's how the rotation order Fo Out for the Toronto Blue Jays so a lot of good stuff on the Blue Jays. Promotional calendars or Vlad has a bobblehead Kevin Beasley out and Bobishenko bobbleheads. So all three of the core guys do There's a lot of other fun stuff country day as you mentioned all the same staples from last year but I think one they got a lot of people. Excited is star wars night when the Chicago cubs are in town on a Saturday in late August. And that should be a draw. That should be fun. Especially when it's like a messenger bag day or something like that as well. Yeah so one other promote that. I thought that I actually have a couple of other ones but They add the Vlad and dad dual bobble head giveaway day in July. That's right yet. They did that down in buff down at Dunedin a couple. I think it was last season at the beginning of the year. And that bottle had something cool with the two of them wearing blue jerseys and it was. It was an empty so I wonder if they're going to do something. Larry Lands Wearing the Expo Jersey. Or something like that on that bobbleheads. Obviously there's pictures of this out yet and then there's two hinge in Rio days that they're doing they're doing engine Blue Replica Jersey night. And then apparently they're having a hat that he designed giveaway day in August. That's cool that's cool and I think just those. Today's knowing the culture in Toronto that was going to be too big droff games I think just because lowest promos and I don't remember who they're playing on those weekends. What Friday night and Saturday with a free hat replica? Jersey night boom. I know one of them is angels which I find kind of interesting considering the angels where potentially one of his bigger suitors. Just a rubber replica. Jerseys thing right in their face right. It's like yeah exactly. We have them over here in the new blues so but there are some very cool stuff on your and I. It's going to be interesting to see the I. I'm looking forward to seeing what the bow flow bobblehead is going to look like. That's going to be some cool stuff. I think but I really think those are going to be days of frigging crazy lines at the Rogers Centre. Kinda like how when we were down in buffalo more segue points Louise standing in line for three hours. Vladi bobbleheads Yeah Hungover as hell. So now they're doing They're doing bowl right in buffalo. This season doing Yoga Shat bobblehead. I believe I fall. Yes they are doing a where was it was August or something like that. Boba shut bobblehead night and but typical minor league fashion. They got a few bobblehead nights. They have a replica. Jersey giveaways and then one of my favorite night's Brennan. I was going to store this one at you. And it's usually at the end of the season they have a mystery autograph all night. Shop the Ballpark Handy. A ball that was signed by Buffalo Bison over the recent years. There's a chance you could get up Ladimir Harare junior ball and there are above shot or you get an eight Pearson or something like that. That's a pretty cool idea. I thought but they do have the regular autograph day earlier that week on the sixteenth. But it's pretty. They have to either way and honestly last time they did that. I think there was a white ball thrown in there. Because he's a coach with them and some other things gathered up from Blue Jay events throughout the year. The relationship between the Blue Jays and the Buffalo Bisons has been growing. I honestly can't I love every minute of it being you know that is the center of my drive coming up to see you in Toronto. Yeah it's the exact halfway point to meet up and catch basins game which I think A Bison weekend just like we did last year should be in order again. I actually expect it to be in order. So we keep us in line Yeah no crazy. Shenanigans like last. That was not fun day morning but you know find weekend overall so definitely had to continue. We Buffalo Bisons Baseball to where they won the Saturday game right. They lost the Friday and we were yep so that was right when they were in the the playoff race there too so it was very interesting to see that the ballpark there in Buffalo. Which isn't very lovely ballpark. A little bit with throwback awesome time for any blue Jays fans It was good to see that ballpark filled up like it was so stop you. Do you know the cool thing I believe. I noticed what the Boba shop although they Saturday. So it's You throw in Abobo. Shut bobblehead. I believe through Saturday it is. It is a love batter day. There was going with that. Yes it is a Lebatard as well so you get the double whammy with good promotion if I'm not and she hopefully Nice bobblehead So there's a I think there's our weekend if it if it works out with schedules for for the annual trip where we meet up halfway and go Taylor easy and as Blue Jays Day on that twelfth very after Bob let Bill Bush at Bala Day. Even better even better so all right. The Siamese game on the size absolutely anybody's wanting to join us just like we put out last year I think we'll probably be punctured in in in stone So we got a good show. Jays fans last year that joined in our shenanigans. There's a good ten fifteen people that showed up in the great time with everybody and shout out to all our bluejays gang. That actually was there during that game. That hopefully you're still listening to our terrible shenanigans on his show all. I hope they are still listening again. I think they are owed a good final sign off on tonight's episode. But before we do that Craig with any other things that we didn't cover that you want to quickly bring up before we end with our traditional you know what apparently during an interview at Winter Fast Rowdy till ad says that is underdog feeling. He keeps getting only fueling his fire could read in love with it. Yeah I do too. It would be fantastic. It's ready to let him out and Haddish showing was good. The H right there with travis saw that can be a nice very powerful first-base last like we saw with Chris. Paul Abella when Justin Smoak just a few seasons ago that would definitely push the offense closer to that over on seventy five wins and closer to five hundred. Yeah and the fact that they're both left handed. I think that really pushes that lineup into a different place to which has been rather right handed heavy for you know basically this millennium. It'd be nice to get some more balance in there and having somebody like two legs run away with a spa or at least had him back and forth with Oscar or something like that in the spot would be really really nice to see so I hope all is true and all is well with routed to last because he's a fun guy to be talking to and I think he deserves a shot. Smoke isn't here. Let them run away with it if he can. I think Travis Shaw's is biggest hurdle and I don't think he's going anywhere but the fact that there is a spot with a giant hole in it right now. That's a win for rowdy till is if he can get it. No doubt anywhere easy. Got To report as well so at all because the rowdy till as hopefully run away with a job in spring training game on game on absolutely game on soap we. Do you know where to find another great episode of Jason Watching and with that follows. Interact with us. We'll get you on the show all that kind of fun stuff and Craig as you know how we sign off on things. Signed me out body. Give me a good one. Let's go let's go blue Jays. Let's go blue Jays Blue Jays fans if you have not heard Brennan Panic car? I Myself Craig Board Shenanigans on Jaybird watching and you WanNa start something on your own. You can join us right here on the anchor dot. Fm Family and jump right in with whatever podcasting pleasures you want with a wonderfully free platform and Brennan. Does it get any better than that? It doesn't get any better than that Craig. What's explain a little bit more? You have creation tools. Allow you to record and edit your pockets right from your phone or computer. 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