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"adam brown" Discussed on Veterans Chronicles
"Hey officers, go work with the operations guy, make sure all the assets overhead. We've, we've got an execution checklist. We've got assets backfilled, um, mobility tactics, patrolling tactics. That's why we didn't sleep. And within 24 hours, 40 guys that had never worked with each other, but had mildly similar, similar, uh, standard operating procedures, pulled it together. In fact, that mission, after we reinserted, we basically operated for three weeks straight and I was so proud of the guys because I mean, I don't care about kill counts, but they, they decimated the enemy to the point where pretty much enemy attacks ceased on route gold. And, um, yeah, just talk about a point of pride for watching you guys turn it around. You mentioned also that you've served in Afghanistan. How many deployments did you have there? Which stand missions out most in your mind? Oh, the very first one on my first deployment and then, uh, a couple on my second, my first operation with, uh, in Afghanistan was with that group. It actually was the night that Adam Brown, uh, was killed. Uh, they wrote a book called fearless. Adam was an amazing human being with a very resilient life. He'd faced a lot of obstacles, but they, they said that was one of the worst missions that any of those guys had ever heard that command running. I mean, we basically went into a valley and it's 2010 that no Americans had been in ever since 2001, the start of the war. And so it was the enemy safe haven and we were surrounded and it was, uh, it was a firefight and, uh, to lose Adam was devastating. And it was also an eye opener for me. I had to fight every day to perform, to stay at that command. And then we went back in 2012, you know, I was involved in the only documented retaliation for the raid on Bin Laden. Uh, we got attacked a base attack at five AM, just two hour firefight. We had a VBID, uh, detonated like 15 meters from our position, knocked everyone out.
"adam brown" Discussed on Mixergy
"I noticed that you're using video can is schedule. A call and people are a lot more receptive once. They actually started using a product to talking to sales. Okay and that's what was built after by We we had that before. But we only once we'd one sales rep i who is great but it was just really scrappy and Early so after we sold the broncos also we had you know a number of experienced account Around the world Who were were ready to do that. So it was more developers who had more access to more sales people and instead of limiting the number of times if people can have a call. Okay i see. I see where this is going. And then what got you back into it to to create mucks. Yeah so. I left record after a few years. and say that. It's sort of felt like unfinished business where i saw firsthand. How hard it was to stream video in two thousand seven sawed again in two thousand ten. We helped a little bit two thousand fifteen. I took some time off and like it was arguably even harder for developer to build video dozen. Fifteen wasn't thousand seven Because videos gotten so much more complex so yeah. It felt like unfinished business. There is no one out there really taking a Trying to build a developer first video platform that was more comprehensive than just video encoding. If felt obvious that someone would do it. And yeah and we decided to. You've got back the old team. Yeah so Yep so one of my Founders you've And then to two of the best people we hired as coder. Matt mclean adam brown. So the four of us started mucks together okay and you told her produce. The challenge was video. Transfer video transporting was hard. Also there's now global video delivery at scale and then of course the diversity of devices that just keeps growing and growing android xbox iphone all these other devices and then let's take it one degree further Live videos growing really quickly. Live videos a lot more complex. Even dan on any saw that plan yet. We don't live video with endzone cutter. Maybe in two thousand thirteen and it was. It was hard. It was a lot of work But we built some ingrates but but but the the there is more that needed to be done To make live work. Well all the articles that i saw said that you started out with mucks data was mc stated yet so the first product we actually built was analytics for video streaming. Think of something. Like gra fauna or new relic or data dog. It was it was kind of operational metrics that you need to operate a video platform To understand why an who is it was gonna be a customer. Yeah so the things we track. Are things like airplay back errors. Or how much buffering happening or slow load times Video quality kind of things It's it's think of this way if you're a software developer and you get a job and your job is to maintain or operator improve some existing pieces software. You can't do that without really sophisticated monitoring like if your boss is like. Hey we're having budget cuts which cancel all of our monitoring tools gabon or or observability tools. Like you'd probably leave that job because it's impossible to operate software without really rich stack data but that didn't really exist for video People were streaming. Video are really high scale with absolutely no insight into what was actually happening when history video. Will you doing that because they needed the inside. Or because you wanted the inside Yeah both honestly so week. Sell it because they needed the insight and so we sold the customers like like media companies like discovery and cvs streaming video software companies. Like you to me. And i read it your streaming video though. We built that product as part of a larger vision of building this more comprehensive platform for developers and we wanted that data so we could actually build other video software better in to see what the problems were to see what the use was to see where the opportunity was. Because you see all this data and then to say we can solve the problems. We can jump on this opportunity. That's what it was and then exactly as you were building to build one product with the idea that you would then go and build another. That's that's challenging right. Yeah it's really challenging. I think i think on the one hand. Every successful software company builds products Like you'll see this pattern. People build a great first product. They grow in After gilmore products. That's just a really common pattern in software. Had we did it. We did it really early. Maybe maybe early honestly like we. We barely had product market fit on our first product before we go there second product which was really challenging. Actually and we were a small team. Where like twenty people that was building maintaining both like the analytic stack that powered the super bowl in the last three years and global high-performance video streaming With twenty people at those kinda crazy but But we thought it was anything to do. Literally at the super bowl is a klein. Twenty teen we for the first time we had the super bowl is a client. How did you get so many clients right off the.
"adam brown" Discussed on Startup Stories by Mixergy
"Let me help you with that. I think actually out of it productive. Yeah if they're not responding to an sdr has sales know that there's a developer. Who needs this type of help. Best case scenario the developer signs up for the products and starts using it so a salesperson sees that so then cutter was self serve You could buy you ever feature in the product without ever talking to someone so developer signs up they start growing and then either they reach out and they say hey i bills. Hi can you help me with or sales would reach out and say hello. I noticed that you're using video can is schedule. A call and people are a lot more receptive. once they've actually started using a product to talking to sales okay and that's what was built after by We we had that before but we only have once we'd one sales rep i who is great but it was just really scrappy and Early so after we sold the broncos also we had you know a number of experienced account Around the world Who were were ready to do that. So it was more developers who had more access to more sales people and instead of limiting the number of times if people can have a call. Okay i see. I see where this is going. And then what got you back into it to to create mucks. Yeah so. I left record after a few years. and say that. It's sort of felt like unfinished business where i saw firsthand. How hard it was to stream video in two thousand seven sawed again in two thousand ten. We helped a little bit two thousand fifteen. I took some time off and like it was arguably even harder for developer to build video dozen. Fifteen wasn't thousand seven Because videos gotten so much more complex so yeah it. It felt like unfinished business. There is no one out there really taking a Trying to build a developer first video platform that was more comprehensive than just video encoding. If felt obvious that someone would do it and yeah and we decided to do it. You've got back the old team. Yeah so Yep so one of my Founders you've And then to two of the best people we hired as coder. Matt mclean adam brown. So the four of us started mucks together okay and you told her. Producer challenge was video. Transfer video transporting was hard. Also there's now global video delivery at scale and then of course the diversity of devices that just keeps growing and growing android xbox iphone all these other devices and then let's take it one degree further live videos growing really quickly live videos a lot more complex. Even dan on any saw that plan yet. We don't live video with endzone cutter. Maybe in two thousand thirteen and it was. It was hard. It was a lot of work Built some ingrates but but but the the there is more that needed to be done To make live work. Well all the articles that i saw said that you started out with mucks data.
"adam brown" Discussed on GOOD PODS DON'T HAVE LONG NAMES
"My body disgusting right before you cut your hair. Yup you guys and his hair right when especially we both did that like a couple of flow. Yup log overflows. What you're calling it. Yeah dude i win. I win that so the the plan was to make it a year. Yeah you you. Didn't i did. Not you fucking have broke. Wow yeah i made it what. Say the eighth Tomorrow would have been eleven. Months is it because literally. Nobody's swipe bread anyone tender for those ones No wiped right and then they saw him with that cova. Got to the point where it was just like so thin fried in the front and dislike i. I won't be laughing because most girls like my ends are kind of fried. And i gotta get a haircut. You're you're fine. It was like this. Tuft in the front of hair out of control. And the only thing. When i did. I mean this is hold on. Can we tuft to remember the first thing you know. Somebody's crazy right in the front and you can all see. It's not fantastic but thank god. You're it got so bad. This is the first podcast. I have not worn a hat in almost a year. It was just long like that. Was it it just looked like shit. It felt like shit. I couldn't style. I couldn't do anything with this. I had all day every day. So i just realized i was doing this. Just for the sake of cutting here for a year. it's kind of dumb. And why did you do that in. The first place is wanted to do man. It's wanted to try something. And i tried and i failed. He did that in heroin. Yep just wanted to try to undo hair when every day for a year live little. That's so weezer especially as a father you get real thin on heroin. yeah shun. Don't do that but yeah yeah i I looked like a fatter. Like nineteen seventies bernie. sanders. That's what. It looked like what i'm trying to think the hair like. No you guys kept saying what dale though back. Dale david obey dobric. No it's david del. Dobric dale dover your dow dobrica. David hilbert david dolan success. Job it doboy. Just a fatter less successful version less funny less attractive. David david hilbert funny funny at all. No he laughs like he has no. He lasted everything. Real redeeming qualities. Funny he just like let me call. Seatgeek can give away tesla. That's it. that's it sounds pretty his whole life. I wanna get tesla. Yeah you paul's podcasts. Hits it big and we're getting that fifty percents. You'll be our david one writing your code one last time. We're not gonna shit on it. what's it called. You're not even watching and it's about what tune in wasn't listening the whole time before it's a joke i know. Here's here's how i look at it I like those kind of podcasts. Where i can where. I can watch or have watched the movie already more. Watch along with a podcast. Like oh they're going to talk about this movie. I can watch that movie and have my own thoughts and opinions on it That's basically what this is so you never thought about doing it with one of us you pick your wife over. Maybe matt or my. This was all her idea you. Can you could've stole it one thing. I'm curious about remember when we first started doing this. What was her reaction to us doing this. She wasn't very thought it was stupid. He thought it was stupid. Very stupid you guys are all she said. You're not fucking support fucker. What's that guy's name armchair shepherd. She's a fucking dax. Shepard did you act like you. Don't remember his name. But i couldn't remember what's your fucking dreams. Because he's such a mountain of man's duty so jack now van gusty one day and his wife into a fucking widow. Because i'm gonna go off the goddamn handle at shoot 'em would you'd have to shoot him because you couldn't physically whereas my was my kids. Go get my god. You guys are. You guys are wrong. About how unsupportive. She was wherever it she wanted to start a podcast before we started up on. All my guys read vernal. If you guys would have started your own podcast you never would've you never would've. How long do we talk about. This is where we actually did it and guys. If nate headed showed fantasy football. I invited me. You wouldn't have been. I don't wanna take credit here. But i invited nate cater credit for all that we need navy invited me to come over here. Who the foster you say. He's trying to take credit for. I thought you said case. Were trying to take credit. No no because it's do you. You had the idea. And i said what's a podcast. What's a podcast ever heard one. Before my life years twenty nine has been out for ten. Never even heard of one see people wanna listen opinion now. Okay no we shot the shit about for a while and then one night. I just brought over my computer. We sat in your kitchen. You were shit. Based i remember we were enemy-held wayward on my laptop. Microphone and we just talked about like what it would look like what the senate would be. What the topics would be what the flow would be like. And then we bought everything and initially. We bought the four mics for the three and a guest. And then we have the fuck and fantasy football party in the. I remember the night before was a disaster because we couldn't get equipment to work and then finally the second that i've got the equipment to work and then fucking comes in and just like your computer had update. Remember the effort. Why do some crazy date for. 'cause we watched three movies. I waiting to update but then nate came in and just like his big giant bucket. Brain was like hey we. We didn't even know how to put stuff on soundcloud now. We had no idea what we were going to do and they was just like right. Let me register for this and this and this and this and the next thing. We're fucking everywhere. I mean behind me. I would say name deserves the my. Don't know that anybody does less than you. Yeah well. I don't know what i'm trying to. He wrote a blog in december thirty. Yeah about drinking. yeah congratulations. congratulations congratulations. Well a lot of asian hate on that side of the room was asia. It was a speech impediment. I got one of those. I had to take a class called remember did you hell embarrassing grid Probably third nah fifth third fourth fifth. Yeah me no progress. They just took the dentist and he was like. Oh it's just the teeth. Oh man awesome fucking aids. I will third fifth grade. Yeah fucking fist-bump. Fuck you paul. All this bumps episodes in a row your fit. Are you really going for the sake of fist bumping an got one for what he said make got one just so you're not involved Lots of fist-bump. Go off here and ruin the entire night breath. It's already adam brown. The noise is always a lot of from the cheap seats. We know you're the talent. Okay little sarcasm. i don't you know. I just you know we've been down this road before. Try to fight your son's here. I will fucking choke you out. I thought you were gonna say you were in shoes. Adults my kid. That's adams mo to go after the guy sure scott joksimovic in front of you do not do that is a pack is pocket. I haven't well. There's the.
"adam brown" Discussed on Social Pros Podcast
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"adam brown" Discussed on 77WABC Radio
"This'll is Maura money with economists Steve Moore. Now, Steve More welcome back. Folks is more money out. 77 talk radio WBC and we have affiliates throughout the country, including on the West Coast in California. So thank you, everyone for joining us, but Our home base is, of course, right in the heart of Manhattan in New York City, one of the greatest cities in the world. You all know I'm from Chicago. So I kind of think Chicago by be the greatest city in America. But I love New York. I worked there for many years and we've got to get our cities up and running before I get to my guest star out of breath and I wanted to run remind people You have to get the committee to unleash prosperity. Hotline Every morning. You can eat, We melt right to you. So it's at your doorstep. When you get up in the morning, and you want to find out the most important things that were going on. You can read it in five minutes. A lot of times. It's just a headline or graft or chart showing you a lot of the data that the fake media is not providing yourself. You want that, By the way, I'm not selling anything spokes. It's free. It costs zero. We want you to have it. It's just going to committee to unleash prosperity. Click on. I want the hotline. Give us your email and we'll send it to you every day. Okay, I want to get the Adam Brown and he is a great friend. He's a colleague. He's one of the great grassroots activist in this country. He's a solid free market conservative, and he is also What's importantly, a new father Adam, Congratulations on the new baby. I hope Mom and the mom and your new son are doing well. They're doing great, Steve. In fact, I'm so glad when you get married. You reached out to have me on today because this is five minutes. I don't have to be on diaper duty. But not Adam about Chicago. You're talking about New York. Can I nominate my hometown in Cleveland as the greater Okay, You got it, My friend. You've got one of these days. The Cleveland Browns are even gonna make the world the Super Bowl. By the way. This is Super Bowl Sunday. You well know that by the way out of I can ask you a personal question that we're gonna get the policy. Have you changed any diapers yet? Steve. I have Well, since my wife did have a C section. She couldn't get up. So I have changed. Probably the majority of the diapers are about a week ago, but I am sure she is quickly going to surpass And I'm Yeah, I'm getting quite good at it. And And I mean, no one ever told you that when you're when you're changing a little boy, Sometimes they decide that's a great opportunity to use the restroom while you are changing a diaper. So when you're remember that Rainbow P that comes out of that little looking. All right, let's get into it. Adam. Congratulations. Also on your new TV show, which airs I believe for the first time tomorrow morning news, Max. Tell me about it. I'm really excited. Thanks, Steve. You know it's at 11 o'clock on Newsmax, and you can either tune into Newsmax or you just go to the website and they've got a great app that you can watch their programming if you don't have to be to have it. Are you your cord cutter and don't have cable. Save our nation. Right? Save our nation, Our nation save the nation. The whole point of the show for me is that there was something missing from a lot of the debate on Sundays. We here meet the press and all the other shows. There's not one with the center, right? Perspective, so I wanted I fill that gap, and the other thing I wanted to do is very much inspired by the work that you, Steve do and Larry Kudlow has done and it is these guys. They're happy warriors, and I think it's important. I'm getting so tired of always arguing like we're in the morally inferior position. Free market economics and conservatism is the pro person pro human being policy position. We are on the on the on the moral high ground, right? I couldn't agree more. And you know, I think this is so important because I do watch a lot of those Sunday new show, So they're all the same. They all petal kind of left wing nonsense. They are fake news and a lot of cases, not all of them, but many of them are and they don't support the free enterprise system. As you do so well at Freedomworks and s. So tell me about who you have. I know you have Steve War on this week cause I mean, taking yesterday that makes a lot of it to be I'm honored to be on that panel. But tell me who's your Who's your newsmaker of the week? Well, thank you decided to go with Cynthia Lummis, the newest senator from Wyoming. And part of our goal is, you know a lot of these different people. You see Jim Jordan on television, but I wanted to start the highlight Some of these new folks that would bring in, uh, names you know, he was now in the second term. Chip Roy of Texas joins us. David Schweikert congressman from Arizona. You know, we also have Scott Rasmussen, the pollster who was on it. And, of course, the head of the network, and I have a conversation on our goals of the show, Chris Ruddy, but I think as time goes on, but we've got incredible people. I believe you have one coming up on your program soon. Maria Salazar, we've gotten Nancy Mace out of South Carolina. This last election actually was fantastic for our movement when it comes to adding new people to the house and the Senate who are going to be our flag bears for a long time to come, so we want to make sure we're introducing those folks to our audience. I think it's so important and you're right about Maria Salazar shall be on our show in this show in about 15 minutes, folks, so and not she's great. She's bilingual. She's Cuban. American beat up She'd be Donna Shalala. Remember that name? She was a chalet Low. Well, obviously was was the HHS secretary for Bill Clinton. And it was a great victory for freedom and free enterprise. But I wanted to ask you about What is the strategy? You're the strategist to was going to help us beat this $1.9 trillion spending bill, which I believe is the worst spending bill in the history of the United States. And I've been in this game a long time and I came to Washington 1984. And I've never seen anything like this. I think it is going to bankrupt our country. I think it's going to cause interest rates and inflation to go through the roof. If they go forward with this. I think it's going to discourage people from working. If we just give people more and more money for not working. How do we defeat this can wait. I was listening to your show earlier and you said something that was so important. We see the light at the end of the tunnel. Now is not the time to pay corrupt the country and we're paying as you continue to disincentivize work. That's what you get. You don't get work. If you incentivize work, you get employment, and And so the more we consider the just continue to shut the economy down and subsidizing states like In New York and California to not reopened..
"adam brown" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM
"Is something deeply moving about cave paintings. The purpose of them is not always known, but the notion of making art of being creative of leaving something behind. In an age when she had day to day Survival tells us something about the act. Stunning paintings discovered in difficult to reach caves in Indonesia include what might be the oldest depictions of animals on the planet dating back 45,000 years. Adam Brum is an archaeologist at Griffith University in Australia and a co author of the study that stated the pictures. The painting we've dated is a painting of a pig. The pigment that they used was a type of red Oka. And then they've painted this beautiful life size image of a pig. Certain top of pig only found on Sulawesi known as a warty pig. And it's all in red. And it's just this beautiful fat, very jolly looking pig. And then there's two hand stencils to images of human hands just behind the hind quarters of this pig. And then this image itself is part of the largest scene, which depicts it least three and possibly for wild pigs engaged in some sort of social interaction. You describe. It is beautiful. I mean, is it something that surprised you when you first saw it? Yeah, We've seen lots of these ice, a general paintings and Sulawesi and some of them They can almost have a cartoonish quality to them like they're anatomically realistic, but it's like there's variations I possibly in the skill and the talent of the artist who created These artworks, But you know, this one is what I would call exquisite. It's really beautiful. I mean, look, that's a very subjective term. And also, you know, there's a lot of bias on my part because I think all of the rock out of this part of the world is beautiful. But this is I think when you look together with the completeness, almost the loving detail they put into rendering the shape in the form of the animal that little dainty little trotters. The two facial wards protruding up from the snout area. To me, it's a real work of art always than one. How significant is the finding of this study that the paintings or at least 45,000 years old? If you look at it in terms of conventional story or the orthodoxy that has bean the textbook explanation for how the first cave art arose. Most of the story is always focused on on Europe and the amazing cave art that we find in the ice age world of France and Spain. This is some of the most sublime artworks that in my opinion humanity's ever produced, But the story's always being that this is where the first cave art evolved 40,000 years ago or so, But you know, when you're finding these older examples of broadly similar art on the other side of the world in the ice edge tropics of Indonesia, the story becomes a little bit more complicated. I think what it is showing at least my idea, Possibly when you know, I think it's an idea that a lot of archaeologists are now coming around to. It could be that this ability to create this Amazing cave Art is very ancient and goes back to an earlier period in human history, possibly before our species even left Africa. Explain how what science was used to determine the age of this heart. Rock art is very difficult today. Now in this particular case were quite fortunate because the rock out was made within a limestone cave inside that limestone cave. We had these little mineral deposits forming on the on the walls of the cave. And in this particular case, one of them developed over the real leg of the pig painting and were able to date when that calcite began to form or less. So then we know that that artwork has been in existence on the cable at least 45,500 years ago, it could be much older. For all we know. All we have is a minimum age for it, which obviously, you know when it comes to this sort of story telling is exceptionally useful to us. There is also some discussion about whether homos SAPIENs or another human species made these paintings just reflect for us on on what you're thinking is Believe me, if I could make the case that this was made by a relic population of Homo erectus or something that somehow was summarily species of human that, you know, became marooned on Sulawesi and was spent its time creating these amazing outworks, then Yeah, I would very much love toe. Tell that story but I think the most straightforward story is that these works of art were created by people with minds with the capacity to create art that we share today that we all share that all humans share. I think this is our species. We don't have any other evidence elsewhere in the world Foot earlier, now extinct types of humans making Is representational art their claims in Spain. It's the rock up made by Neanderthals going back to 65,000 years ago. These consists of these images of human hands, which again I created by someone placing their hand against the cave wall and then sprang a mouthful of paint around it, leaving the image of the human hand when they remove it, but we're not seeing so far. Any evidence for these people, creating a lifelike images off subjects on objects that they saw in the world around them. Given how hard it is to reach some of these caves in Sulawesi, do you sometimes imagine that there is more evidence of human habitation is yet to be discovered, and perhaps more art. Absolutely, without any doubt there is we have these limestone hills that it just riddle little levels with cave networks that most of them have never been explored before the outside of the hills and completely covered with vegetation. Some of these caves of literally impossible to spot from the ground. You just have to rely on local information and just climb up through the most inaccessible. Undergrowth and and hope to find the cave passage and find your way in there. Just absolutely just year after year. We just keep finding more and more cave. You just keep finding out. This is just everywhere. Exciting hurts one of my favorite stories today. Adam Brown from Griffith University in Australia. If you'd like to tell us what you think about what you hear on our program at BBC World Service is the networks Twitter handle at Razik Body is mine. If you'd like to speak to me directly, don't go wait. That's coming up in the second half off the program today, including looking at the aftermath off the.