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Resenha: Dragony - Viribus Unitis (Melodic Power Metal Austriaco)

Metal Mantra Podcast

22:46 min | 4 months ago

Resenha: Dragony - Viribus Unitis (Melodic Power Metal Austriaco)

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Ep56: Neil Feiereisel on A Course in Miracles in Todays World

In Search of the New Compassionate Male

58:11 min | 7 months ago

Ep56: Neil Feiereisel on A Course in Miracles in Todays World

"For me in this is mostly through a course in miracles, but through unity in my childhood back of Christian Science. is to instead look at the true nature of that person that I'm you know feeling judgmental about or disagreeing with or getting triggered by. And to see. To see them as. The same way that I am. A. Perfect gration of God worthy of love and worthy of compassion and understanding. And this is the hard part even when they are. By. All objective standards not deserving of compassion and understanding because clearly not just in my opinion but the opinion of the people sitting next to me we all agree that that person's crazy or wrong and we're right. That's when it's most challenging to look beyond that sort of outer surface behavior. And sort of. See see the good that lingers in that person or that is is beneath the surface that may be screaming out hello world. It's me Dennis and we are in search of the new compassionate Male, the PODCAST and movement I'm Dennis Cardin and producer the podcast along with the founder Klay Boykin Hello Clay. Identities. How are you today? I'm very well I'm so excited about our guests that you get to pronounce high gas name. Right, Neil fire is good. Old Friend on High Neal. Well, it's nice to be with you guys. It's great for you to be here with us. It's been a long time coming and I'm really excited about. Being here today on your journey Neil. One of the things that we're doing that we're on in search of the new compassionate male and when we always like to know something about the evolution within Neil of. Yourself as a man yourself, you're definitely figure your sense of yourself for the man and this sense of compassion what this May or may not mean to you. Know what I've I've been observing myself over the last twenty to thirty years as I've been on the spiritual path. And maybe for me that the best way to describe the evolution is just becoming a little softer a little gentler. looking upon others you know with rather than go walking into a situation with sort of a combative. Stance you know and ready ready to defend myself against the. Dishonest Guy Behind the counter at the automotive repair center you know. Expecting the that, they're going to try and sell me something I. Don't need you know sort of walking into situations with a little less. On this defensive, you now guard yourself against the world attitude. So I've I've softened up over the years isn't that something? Just the energy we what is it You get back which put out. Yeah. It only took me about sixty years to figure that one out. And we all have our little issues. Right are trigger issues being you know? and. There's always someplace in which we sort of assume that we need to go out into the world ready for a fight. So how in this time? How have you seen what has been your evolution? Because here we are at the end of October were coming up to a presidential election. We've been in lockdown and all what have you learned and learned about yourself. During this time and and get a sense of what is happening in the world because you're you're you're a spiritual teacher, you've gotten a chance to work with people all over. So give us some sense of what your perspective this. You. Know I think maybe. I've gotten a pass on this one I've got I've been in such a situation that it hasn't been as challenging to me as others I'm working from home I'm an engineer. Everything's pretty smooth. Our kids are grown up so we're not trying to juggle. Young children learning with working and. So I've got A. Pretty comfortable situation. So I haven't had the challenges during this these last six months during the pandemic that most people do. So, at least for me, that's that's not where my challenges are coming up I guess. What are what are your challenges that are coming up because one thing I've found is that? In my life in clay you we talked about this open that that it does not do. It does not help to compare wounds. And on my weren't you know, well, you know I just have this little wound and look at how because because what that does is it disempowers me from taking a step that might be helpful. And supportive of others is that your experience? Yep that sure is perhaps my challenge has been sometimes we are challenged from the outside and sometimes we we give ourselves. The challenge is internally, and so for me, you'd think that everything would be. Smooth and easy here I am this cushy from home situation yet I have pushed myself maybe harder than than I needed that I I'm. I'm not. You know five hours a week I got back that I'm not commuting but I'm actually working quite a bit I've been on a lot of you know deadline driven stuff and some. High profile projects. So then I'm working myself harder I'm pushing. My plan was to be exercising. Doing Yoga, you know lots of walking and hiking and. And and I haven't taking care of myself like I should. Just, been too caught up in getting stuff done. I have had a few. been able to do, some? Hobbies. Desire to produce to do something in an so tempting to have. The materials and be all laid out right here. and. I can just do a little bit more and you know. I don't I don't have to drive home or anything no interruption. So I can work a little bit longer and then that gets to be a little bit longer. So how do we take care of other people like the other people on our teams because none of us? While I'm in the same position you are kneel in that that I work from home I get a chance to virtually and we have a brought by all. By. All. Objective. Standards I live a palatial life I mean I have we have we have my wife and I each have an office. We have a bedroom, a refrigerator I can go in and if I. If I Eliminate bodily fluids. All I have to do is push a handle down. And they go away. I mean I can drink. Water potable water straight from the found from the from the TAP. I. Mean Kings didn't live like this. A little while ago and yet we're we're just. Solidly. In the middle of the middle of of what would at one time be determined middle class. I. Think we. We always find a way though to challenge ourselves that despite our are comfortable nature. Like in this particular case with the pandemic going on and then the political situation with the election coming. We find ways to be critical and judgmental of others and from our armed armchair. Chair. To. Get ourselves worked up yet ourselves upset about either people are doing too much doing too little. Can you can go either way on on everything pretty much if you choose to get yourself worked up. So I think as usual. It always turns back to what do we choose to focus on and you know. To, what extent do we wanna live in that space of judgment and condemnation to what extent do we want to be compassionate and understanding, and you know contribute to sort of peace among us all this. You know it's it's always a question how much news is too much news and you know. I've gone through the obsession where it's like, I wake up I'm checking it out, watching it through the day and you know getting pissed off and you know why don't turn the TV set off because I'm good feel good being pissed off about this you know and the other is a walk away from it and just like go into another world. And trying to on Abbey balanced, but I tell you. When I was a kid in the sixties I remember my dad saying this. And we were watching the news one night and there is to news reporters our talking to each other, which back then was a little bit different. They said not Klay Listen. When the newscasters start interviewing one another. We're all in trouble. And why was that? It's instead of just reporting the news it's turned into commentary. Walter cronkite would sit there and he would report the news. he may lend a little perspective too, but he was reporting the news. Now, you've got talk shows. You know and we have a lot of. Their opinions and other unrelated observations. So I, if if it is. You know the expression hot meal that would you rather be right or happy? Yes. And my need to be right what you were talking about clay about about Oh man umbrage tastes so good. Give me at the big Hog Adam Bridge so that I can have that right just indignation then really stand up there and and and tell them just oh, man that they're Battiston addictive substance. A little bit then for lunch to the. It tasted pretty good for the moment. Thank goodness though of Benchellali you know we get tired of it is man this is just not working you know. I'd rather have peace instead it is exactly and that's where and that's where I think that we're going when in the role of compassion in compassion for those with whom we disagree not so much on there. But we're disagreeing on their how And that's really the difference for me so that if we if we get an understanding of saying, Hey, we all actually want very much the same thing. It's just the differences merely how we're getting there. Now. It doesn't take but one person to get triggered to set the other one off and there we are responding your how do you? How do you be a with your triggers when when you have your own when they're happening in your? Alcan your. Life. Well a couple of things one is that first of all, you got to recognize it. 'cause very often we get triggered we get into this. This state of mind. We don't even realize. You know we're sort of. We're in our self righteous condemnation or you know or like said we're just sort of stewing in the anger and we don't want to leave that. We WanNA. A field the juice. So to speak. So then eventually we're like, okay, you know maybe. Maybe this isn't working you know, and we often recognize that our body is tense. We. We can't. Come down. we can't in a very often can't think clearly. So then we started okay, and then then the real question is. How do you choose differently how how do you move on from that and one thing that I'd like us to? Amble off into that we can do a lot of mental gymnastics and we can convince ourselves well, maybe they had a bad childhood you know and maybe that's why they're doing such and such, and that's why I'm mad. But you know I can maybe understand where they're coming from you know or or their background is different than mine. maybe Like. You said earlier Dennis that we have the same end goals but completely different ways about going about them. So maybe they're just looking at it differently. And so. What I found is very often will meet when we worked for that line. Of reasoning, it works to some extent. But eventually. I. Think we need to take to a spiritual level and we need to look beyond Oh we're just all different. We have different opinions, different priorities in a whether you're Republican or Democrat or independent you you just have different. Priorities of what you think is important and so what I've done over the years, what is really worked for me in this mostly through a course in miracles but through unity in my childhood background of Christian. Science. is to instead look at the true nature of that person that I'm you know feeling judgmental about or disagreeing with or getting triggered by and to see to to see them as. The same way that I am you know a perfect creation of? God worthy of love and worthy of compassion and understanding. And this is the hard part even when they are by all objective standards, not deserving of compassion and understanding because clearly not just in my opinion but the opinion of the people sitting next to me, we all agree that that person's crazy or wrong try and where right? That's when it's most challenging to look beyond that sort of outer surface behavior and sort of. See. See the the good that lingers in that person or that is is beneath the surface that may be screaming out or whatever it is so that that's really been the word for me over the years is very often I can just convince myself you know through some simple human logic loan, but the only one that really gives me peace is. Sort of see that person differently. In terms of their their true nature. That's one of the things things that attracted me so much to Corson miracles the definition of a miracle being a change in perspective. Joe Me another way of looking at this. Yes. And then everything that comes after that whatever whatever shifts the not in my control not better not relieve my business. But show me, and that's where I think compassion quite has such a role in it because I because if I can't have compassion for myself, I, find that that judge. I am more severe. I've more more judgments about me and my own life and my than I have anything about. Anyone else. So I've got plenty a judgments against myself. Far, be it for somebody else to scratch in on one of those. Judging myself. A little bit and. They get all all of. Yeah. Yeah. That's self. Compassion lists the you know what I found is that there's there's a beautiful. Sort of interrelationship and a virtuous circle that comes into play one way. Choose to look at other people compassionately. Is that as you talk about Klay Very often there's we do one of two things. We either project, our anger or frustration for whatever circumstances are whatever onto other people. Or. We, turn, it in words, when we blame ourselves. And sometimes if we get caught in this sort of loop of. Blaming ourselves and I should have done more I haven't accomplishes much as I. Wish I had. You know whatever it is I blew that you know. So we can go circle the drain so to speak Almir Cells Yup and we can't seem to get out of that. But ironically, if we're willing to see the Christ in someone else as see the good in someone else. Somehow gives us permission to apply that to ourselves. and. So very often it's it's that's a good way to get on stock and so very often when when people are stuck, I'll often encourage 'em do something some kind of volunteering something to get outside of yourself. To share and give to others, and then it gives you unconscious permission to accept good for yourself. And then sometimes, it's the opposite you now you You forgive yourself. You know you start to look upon yourself a little bit more lovingly. And that sort of gives you the strength or the perception the change of to apply that to others but I find what I've found is you can't just run. It seems like I have to both work together and you have to. Let that. Thing sort of go in a virtuous circle. I. WanNa talk a little about that with both of you on on. A. Neo. We can have compassion and and loving someone. Does not mean laying down and allowing them to completely take everything and completed there. There are boundaries are important boundaries that we can set and the the the example that I that I like to use is Charles Manson and those of us who are old enough remember the Manson murders and remember that he was he was the head of a ring. Of people who did some mass murders in California during the sixties and and what I had. It is important me. That he is an. A secure. Place that is and will not see the light of day. I will not see outside of that particular secure place in that and that's and that's the boundaries there. I do not need the heat one amount of judgment on top of him. There is not. It does not help him nor does it help me? In doing that even the worst setting, very clear boundaries. So can king. Can you talk about that because sometimes people face will compassion just as the the have you just allow everything to happen. Yeah. I'm glad you brought that up because that is very often nats the pushback you get when you start to talk about this kind of stuff. Well, what do you just want me to be a doormat? Everything you know forgive everyone no matter the terrible things that they're doing. and what I would suggest is that what we've been talking about is what we do at the level of the mind. and. that. We can still forgive someone even though we completely disagree with their policies, what they're doing in the world We have to make that distinction and if appropriate laws need to apply such that person is either locked up or you know they suffer the consequences of their decisions according to. The rules that we've made up for this little spaceship earth that we all inhabit show the central contract, right? Yeah. That's a good way to put it and so so that that can all work but what I've found is that We can were even more effective in the world. And what even more effective perhaps in in our actions and we can choose our actions with a greater sense of peace clarity. And the heard and be more effective if coming from that place of compassion and forgiveness even. Those that don't deserve it. So to speak you know in in in the language of of the EGO, they don't deserve it. But but I think we've all probably seen situations where if someone comes at us just completely rabid with Fair Agenda Angle, whatever it is, we don't hear that. And people don't hear us if we come at them with a rabid approach, an its debt forgiven compassionate approach that allows us to act in the world even more effectively rather than less effectively as a doormat. But how how, when someone attacks? When someone attacks me and I go on to defend attack mode my higher level thinking shut down all the bloods out of my frontal CORTEX and his back here number inside and a spider flight buddy. What do I do? What I found is that years and years and years and years of training. and. Eventually we get to the point where when someone is tagging not seldom do people really physically attack us I mean if that's happening clearly we we get out of the way. You know we ron, we fight back whatever we're inspired. Do Most of the time what you're talking about is you know verbal attack or something like that. Or difference of. Opinion type attack. Or. Even the sly underhand you know passive aggressive type start but. Is that I'd become this practice of forgiveness and the way that I look at others. I become less and less likely to react that way. When people you know are are supposedly quote attacking me. It brings me back to something that I saw as a child. I was probably ten years old I don't know what it was just flipping through the channels looking at some tennis some some movie came on. And I distinctly remember this scene because it was so. The contrast could Morris extreme. Guy One guy was just absolutely livid he would just yelling and screaming. He was he was so angry face was red like spill was flying out of his amount. You know what? An actor he was I mean this guy, it was just. The, the anger and the. Rage that would just seed in front was just palpable. and. This other guy than the receiving end of this you know is. I guess most of the time the camera was focused on the guy that was enraged by you could tell his other guy was receiving are this. And at the end of this, whatever one or two minute monologue of rage and anger and. Frustration. The other guy just opens his arm and hugs him. And the guy enraged just started bawling and crying. And he just melted. Into that space of compassion a understanding forgiveness. And I'll just never forget it. Because most of us all of our life or train back trade, just fight back. That guy is going to give me that much rage in anger. I've got to stand up and fight for myself and that. Can just opened his arms and just. Hugged. Klay. Isn't that what we're talking about when we're talking about the lunar masculine arrives the newest lunar masculine. And this is we we've been doing some shows out to refrain how do we re frame how we're growing in one of the ways that Howard says talks about he talks about the within us we have this lunar in the solar masculine and feminine, and that that we're the those any of them can go toxic but but in having a balance between the solar masculine and the lunar masculine is what you just talked about. Neal is this is this is the the the Compassionate. That we're talking about, that can put his arms out. To someone who is in such? Distress. Even though this person is being yelled at and being. Put at him, put their arms around them is the. What I understand you understand the fat that is yeah. It is and and it's different than. Maybe, it's metaphor maybe it's not. But I choose to believe when we we've been using the wrong language I've been using wrong. Now it's my feminine. It's my feminine side Well Auto Rv. Feminine you know now. What Howard is talking about the energy from the Sun and Energy from the moon the sun shines and the moon reflects. and. Associating. The Sun with the minded, a masculine the the solar masculine, and then the lunar masculine is more liked. that it takes both of those. In debt gets the conversation away from. Man Woman Male Female Feminine Masculine. It's no. It's me. This way. And what really brought it home for me said, well, guys. The lunar leads. In the solar executes. Okay Class over I. got it. But I I thought no no no no. No. I'm a man head. We lead whether head. No. It's totally wrong because we always talk about lean with our heart. That's to inspire another person to move in a direction. I mean we learned that in the Marine Corps. I I. Love that clay because I need the metaphors in my life. That's what helps me to go through the day to be able to be active to be able to work meal usually you have to lead teams. And because you have to lead teams in order to accomplish very complex algorithm, ick kinds of operations in in in what you're doing are you? Are you seeing that opportunity to be able to bring more compassion in these in these encounters when you're asking for very Hard deliverables or to help them to do. Keep talking about that. Yes, you may have remind me the question. We'll come back to that but let al address that in a second let me just a sorry. My mind is still on the previous. Drill Fort. BELVOIR. This idea you know when someone's coming at you with rage and anger and you choose to respond you know from a place, of peace. Someone may look upon that. Perceive that peaceful reaction to be one of the know weakness or you know. Giving in or not standing up. But I would say it's the exact opposite. It takes great strength. To be able to react in that kind of situation with peace and with. Acceptance and with love. because. that there's a famous quote and of course, Miracle Says is the title of owner lessons it said at the title is in my defencelessness, my safety lies. and. It goes against everything that we learn in this world is that we need to be ready to defend ourselves at the drop of a hat we need to be strong in need to you know. stand up fight back whenever necessary. But in might defencelessness my safety lies. It's not talking about. At the level of you know fighting with weapons or fists or even words. It means, I, know that I am invulnerable I know that nothing that you say nothing you do can possibly affect me or who I am. That I am so clear that I am a spiritual being. I am Cole and complete. You could even kill my body and it wouldn't matter. That, that nothing can destroy the essence of what I am or likewise for you. And so widely believed that to our core that allows us to not precede the attack as a threat because we're we're coming from a completely different place of what we consider to be our identity and what it is that's vulnerable or not. And now fortunately, I haven't had the. Situation, where actually did have to just worry about protecting my body from getting Jill it's always been of the verbal nature So. I've been able to work on this and trust me I don't always exhibit what I'm describing. I felt very often I get triggered. You know I get defensive. React well to the situation and I'm sure we all do that but it's something that we keep on striving to do. And acting in that way, and so maybe just a segue to the question that you just ask, Dennis about when you're working with teams or working with others. How do you? Maybe how you carry that into. Our everyday normal normal circumstances radin these extreme ones from a movie. Sure I. Guess. For me what's worked is Just to see everyone. From that same point of view on when they appear to be difficult and difficult may just be like this little small resistance or a disagreement you now I want to do it this way they want to do it another way you know we're we in general were all in the same team we're working towards something but we may be frustrated with someone. What I found in that case, usually all those little nitpicky frustrations and judgments against others Harry often those come back to the way that we choose to perceive others is the junk that are jump that we project onto them. Isn't that annoying. You know because. So all over and over again I find myself. Getting. So quickly to see that the people that I criticized that what I'm criticizing for is is a mirror of something better I am. An issue I have to be a with with myself. And it gets to the point this happens over and over and over again, it gets No, not again. I I can't believe I. Do the same thing you know I've been judging and criticizing others on this for years. But. There is also an exciting. Sort of sense of empowerment allow. Okay. Now, I can choose differently. Just take ownership. It is saying instead of you know just keep on rejecting frustrations onto others. I I I had the most. Wonderful example I had a A. Are. Goddaughter was learning the clarinet. And she went all the way through this piece that she was working on. And got over a minute into it before she hit a sour note. And I walked her just. Take a breath. Start again. There was no judgment that was another was there. I can choose and she started and that moment has never left me that's the way. That's the way when I make when I make a mistake grime make a misjudgment Chook. A. The talk. That's beautiful. Now, why do you think that she was able to do that because? So often when we do that, we make a mistake. Then we go into the self defeating, beat ourselves out. I can't believe I did it again I can never gonna get this. It's hopeless. No matter how hard I try I can't do it. Why do you think she was so forgiving A. High to this day. Neil I don't know it was that it was a moment of experience and she was working there she was a preteen and it was this. Pre. Pre Hormonal Time it was just that. It was just that that moment that that happened. Maybe. She hadn't learned to beat herself up. Yes, you know. I. Think that I think you have. I. Think you're on I. Think it was I. think that's learned behavior for me. I think about the toddler. Toddler tries to walk falls down then beat itself up it just gets backup. Impulse do parents around him. What do we do? WHAT WE WE PLOD? They come a couple of staggering steps in and we're going gas. Somewhere along the line that changes. When we when we talk about Carol Dwell on her work with a fixed mindset and the learning. And the growth mindset you know whether we have a fixed mindset or growth mindset because growth upticks picks mindset. rewards results a growth mindset rewards effort. and which one of those two can truly get us to the places where we can where we can be to have the kind of success that we need. Can Go back to the office for a minute. So. You lead a team of engineers. Right. Yes. Okay. Do you. Do you feel like there's a Lotta Heart in your organization. You know I have been. I am blessed that where I work nationalist Schmitz the. The atmosphere the. Values. The goals of the organization have always honoured the employee. and. Reward people for. Sharing information with others. For working well as a team. And so I feel like. It's their in most of the time. It's just we're all working together. We're enjoying the challenge of the work that we're doing. I distinctly remember conversation with my college roommate. This is only like five years out of college. And he went to a consulting firm. and. He said it. He said Neil it's terrible I mean it's just like there's just everybody's backstabbing and if you learn something in, you have knowledge and information you ordered and you hide it because if you can keep that to yourself and you have an advantage over the other person. I. Should Call. That's terrible. because. If we have some good information, we share with others and then that's good like that's looked upon as as favourable behavior his now you're looking at helping others succeed. Yeah between one another up. So I, I really have been blessed to be in an environment where you know encouraged to be supportive and grow togethers team. You know it's that's that's applied to hear you say that because. Back in the eighties. In my twenty two year. Career. Motorola back in the late eighties. The the. It was a wonderful time because Bob Galvin was. Saying this is who we are. In the most fundamental level, it's constant respect for people and uncompromising integrity. And that's how we're going to play this game folks. It does. in-depth not negotiable. And One thing that I learned along the way was something that I pulled out of the book. Leadership. Challenge. And I'm hearing you talk about. It kinda mirrors this because they talk about creating inspired vision. And modeling the way. Enabling others to act challenge the process. And encourage the hard. In those are upstream things to be done. When the heat of the battle is not on. In creating that that culture. I've seen it happen I witnessed it and and it was the basis for. I'm not an engineer, but I was put in. Charge of an engineering organization. So the only way I was going to be successful was not by solid problem. Are you know out engineering anybody? It was creating the Environment So perfect situation because I was going to be successful. So if I could bring heart into that organization in create the environment like what you're talking about where people lift weren't other up. Then we all succeed right and then when things do get challenging, you has deadlines and you have you know difficult circumstances you draw on that. Common Understanding that we're all in this together, and we'll figure out a way and stuff and become personal. It becomes a common challenge we work together. A lot of grace in it. Yeah. There's a lot of grey Senate. If like you have an investment, you've made doubt best friend in your draw the savings of. Your actual. You've made that investment. So you see a yeah it's emotional bank account. You're drawing on the emotional few built up the emotional bank account. Now, things get really tough. Oh, you've got something to kind of draw. There's and that's for the graces. That's that was what I don't need this at a societal level wounding the work towards the common problems that we face. But together in the same way that we're describing with this team of people. At. Work with a common set of values in an understanding of what the goals are yeah yeah. That's what I. That's what I want out of this political process in this place where we're going. To be able to know. What kind of? To be able to have these kinds of values. As a country that this is who we are these. This is the definition we get to redefine ourselves. As to who we are. And I take some. I take some. Is the first time I've said this but I'm but I'm because I don't really know how to say it but with American exceptionalism. Because I believe that while we are the greatest country in the world for me. I believe each person and wherever they are can be have the greatest country in the world for them and that it is my job to be am bi I am so proud to be. A naturalized citizen emigrants from Mexico and I am so proud to be here and to be out to be a citizen of this country I want the country to be its own best south. Whatever it is without having to be in the hierarchy of better than all the rest of the places that we must do and I don't quite know altree. Let me. Let me try this. I submit that we are that way now. That every person has exactly what you're talking about within them. It's clouded over with fear. It's cloudy with fear put that golden spark of divinity is in his in with each each one of us. And The trick is to be able to. Like like Neil. What you're doing is creating a presence that allows it sparked come out. Right. Now. That's that's everyone of in every interaction that we have. With every person is just trying to contribute to that. Atmosphere that condition that place where everyone can express themselves to the fullest extent The. Tower opportunity and it's also our obligation. Because that way, I contribute to something one of the goals. Clay and I have is that. Is that every time we meet whether it's just the two of us or whether or not. We're on a PODCAST WE WANNA work to exit the conversation at a higher level of consciousness we entered it. That's a that's a that's an actual were setting that intention. So how can I do it? How how can I be more open to? Learning and growing and being part of it than when I when when I entered it. Get a chance to spend time. Yeah. There's another favorite quote of mine from course in. Miracles. Apply more more. So every day it's a very simple. It says, every encounter is a holy encounter. So if we can go into our day. And recognize it every single person we interact with. At work on the road in store you know. Wherever. We are. And perceive that as a wholly encounter. Than it did completely shifts our thought process because we're no longer looking at will. That's a person in this is an interaction get through or I need to win or I need to whatever you know. You just need to get something done at at at a business or a store or whatever even at work. That's that's a completely different mindset than. This this little encounter short is it might be as a holy encounter whether it's a smile, a kind word, a conversation that leads to. You know something like Oh. You know someone gives you some inspiration gives you an idea you share something with them that they needed to hear. One one we're in that mindset. Then this greater force you know whatever you WanNa Call it God, holy, Spirit Higher self the universe this this friendly force. will use US. To say the right thing you know to lift someone up San. So that's that's all we can do every single one of us every day. You know what that reminds me of. Is Our conversation with Dana? In the parking space conversation. Now, that may be kind of A. Appear to be a stretch but if I'm driven to get at this time in this parking lot and go into the store at this time. And anybody that's in my way is a fad. I won't get a parking space. Right. But if I go with the flow and I, you know look my intention is to find the parties face I swear within two or three spaces. There on the outside parking lot whole foods. All. The time I find my space. Relax into it. Or you know it's it's not that hard edge. My external reality will will over and over conform to my internal reality. If. I think it's a all man it's hard world and people are just out. That's it me and I will experience. That in reality. So if that happens to me over and over and over again. Then I know well. How about if I go straight to the source? And I work on this inner reality. What if I were to make my inner reality more Peaceful World? What if it were a kinder world? What? What did my internal reality were more compassionate what I offered myself the same type of of care. That, I would be willing to offer. To someone else the same kind of give give myself that kind. How might either experience the world? Going up pack. And online amount of business. and. Lights come up behind me sirens. What do I do? I Melt I, freeze I get afraid. He goes by. Now what just happened? Came and went. The only thing that happened was my mind went bananas. But the world didn't change. It was all my perception of what was going on. I course I tell myself on on moped and that happens. I love trying to trying to have a sense of humor about my own my own. Drama. And? What just to have a sense and just stand outside of myself I'm very fortunate my wife and I because she knows I'm an actor and she knows I have is that we're not when I will say something that is untoward or I'm a say something unkind or I have some kind of an emotional reaction I can stop and go. Let me have another take. Some and let let me do another take. Let me say line again. Okay and then come and I step back and I Be. Give the line in a different one and we're just immense. She is a as his evolved at the level where she's willing to allow me. To have another type. Yeah I, like that and you know. Clay. Just the fact that you catch yourself even though your heart was racing, you know the adrenaline was flowing. You had this craft moment. Silence kind of mind you. Just. The fact that you recognize man I can't believe I. Did it again I can't believe I. Let Myself Get. So worked up by that. That's the biggest step from unconsciousness consciousness. Then you then you can start to choose. Okay. Then you can laugh I did it again you know. Maybe five times. Later you see this island come out the background using you know. Maybe he's not coming after me maybe you know maybe he's on a call or something need to start to. I think it also comes one as you start to ease up on yourself forgive yourself but it also comes as you change your perspective about this world. To Gentler world to a universe that's out for our best good rather than a world that's out to smash and crush. US and. That's a tough transition, but we have to transition today's internally and externally well, you use the word choose to three times there. Yeah and to recognize that we have choice. When I? AM. Sometimes of my worst is when I don't feel like I've got choice. That I'm backed into a corner. And That's the time for me to remember. No I can choose to be in a different place. I can choose to look at this differently as one of the biggest things. You know things can be going to hell in a handbasket, but I can choose how I respond. I choice I I, love that because then and I use I keep saying that I want to channel my inner sully. Sullivan Burger. You know knowing when the engines go out I'll all that and and just sit there and you know. You're GONNA be fine. Everyone hold on. We got this and then just. Very, calmly bring bring bring the plane down and do because the one thing that would not have helped. Him panicking. Of off of things that he can do running up and down the aisles are going. To do. With Yet, that's my opportunity. That's why I I WANNA I WANNA go. Sorry just what's towards jumped out at me is that We have to be willing to recognize or admits. that. Sometimes, we want the juice, we want the drama. We we want at not only valley. Do we want it? We want everybody else to see it and recognize it and either feel sorry for us or join the party you know and and they're they're just you know. You want some drama in your life. You want some excitement Johnson. Pity. Compassion some understanding, and then eventually and. It doesn't have to take years often that's the way it works for us. It takes years. 'cause you know I've seen some twenty thirty year olds that you know get this way earlier than I ever did. that. It takes a willingness and a recognition that you know what? Just isn't working. This isn't fun anymore. I, I'm GonNa look at things differently. The UC Nieto I wanna ask you in these last couple of minutes and not be you see a difference. In the willingness of these young engineers, these men and women and people across the gender spectrum who are in because I've been over your place at national instruments gone their master type belt it's palpable. It's There is a palpable sense of community and of collaboration and of a of love and support that they are that I felt it on your campus. So but the. The, you you see it in these in in the young people that there is something going on. Well. Yes. I am seeing that I'm seeing that in multiple places. You know. I'm seeing it at work. And it's hard at work to distinguish isn't because we've created this environment. That we find and we hire people who fit into that in a really ideal environment where. We all work together. So so there is hard to tell whether chicken the egg, but I've noticed it in to other places. You know our kids are twenty, seven, twenty, five now. And they have a complete them all and in many of their friends have a completely different conscious. They look at things differently they look at the world differently Both of our kids they. They don't trigger on stuff that I used to trigger on or they just or to have this compassion towards others. A sometimes it's hard to figure out where they got it. Occasionally, they're the ones that are in there saying mind when I react something. and see another place So I've been participating in these Courses Miracle Study groups for twenty years now. Twenty years ago it was a bunch of people in there. Mostly in the fifties and sixties and it was like people who had been around for so long. Finally, finally, ready to like. Look at things differently finally rattled. Be grappled with these spiritual ideas and then every five years I've seen sort of the the age group like notch down five or ten years. And, you start to see more and more of these. You know thirty something year old, you know parents or even these twenty something year olds. And they. Get it like. They might not be familiar with you know. The book, the words that terminology. They're ready to get these ideas like decades earlier than than. People were just twenty years ago. It's just it's just astounding and it's really encouraging to see you know the younger generation willing to look at this world very differently and themselves, and they are the differences in the collective. Goals and you know what they want for themselves and others. It's beautiful. I have a theory. When things were simpler and we would you know. Go. To school expect to go to college you go to work so you can retire you know and and life was more linear I mean there was wars and stuff going on but. But. Things were a little bit more straightforward. The kids now when there's nothing straightforward. And for them to survive. I think they learn early on that. They've got a Bob and we they've gotta look at this whole thing differently and the they can't as well go it alone. is where I think it's linear versus non linear exactly. How they are wired. They are are digitally their brains. Non linearity. Okay. I think I'll have my midlife crisis at nineteen get that out of the way go. Co Ed and and and then I'll go ahead and but but the It. That's what it feels to me is that they are and they are much more notable than they are hierarchical. And much more in this aisle, God? Neil this is this has been tremendous I. Know we're taking our audience beyond our our but good i. just it is such a pleasure to talk with you and is always. Try Anything in these last couple of minutes that we have not talked about that is on your mind or your heart today. New. Now I think. It's just. Maybe it's good to close on this note that. Despite, the difficulties in the challenges that we see in society right now and all the differences I think it's good to remember how far we've come in the last few decades that we have come so far that at our children as they've grown up. They've grown up where. They have quality is just like. Of It's not even a struggle. It's just like why wouldn't I look at everyone with compassion and equally, and what does it matter the color of your skin your sexual orientation You know your opinion on this or for that. So I think that despite what appears to be sorted this extreme division. ALLOTTED AD is being fought out by US old farts. Holding on for the L- asked Sarah Stan, and there there's a whole. Another generation is just like man what are you guys get yourself a WHO if about? If, Edward declared, how would what if I missed it? Defeats has been declared and I'm still. Defending your. ISLA. Cave still defending three years later. Oh play. Thank you so much for for for. Leading this initiative in search of the new. The Mayo and and Neil thank you for joining us on the PODCAST. Today. Or being part of this this this beautiful process of learning that I get to learn so much growth so much. From These conversations and and play. Thank you for having me along. Absolutely. Thank you for having me? It was my pleasure. Thank you everyone for listening to another episode of in search of the new compassionate mail I'm Dennis Chart on and we see you.

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Nobody is qualified to do something new

Jazzed About Work

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Nobody is qualified to do something new

"This podcast is brought to you by the Voinovich School of Leadership and Public Affairs at Ohio University Hi Everyone Jones and this is just about work where we talk about everything that might have an impact on your career. Our guest today is Rachel Stewart an executive at an innovative restoration company in Phoenix Wchs She's also the author of an insightful new book about your success. The full title of Book Is Unqualified Success bridging the gap between where you are now and where you want to achieve massive success Rachel talk about some of the things that often hold us back from thriving career like a fear of not being good enough for a negative mindset or finding finding it much too hard to come to terms with the stumbles. We have a long way and Rachel will give us good tips for methodically addressing cussing these issues even if secretly you feel like you're not qualified to create kind of career that you really want Rachel welcome to jazzed about work. It's really fun to have a chance to talk with you today. I'm so interested in your story and in your New Book Unqualified success. Thank thank you for having me. I'm sure you hear this a lot but I'm jazz to be here. Well thank you thank you you have lots of good advice in in your book for our listeners but before we get into that I would love to hear more or about your story the way you described it the first chapter book you kind of stumbled into a job and you've turned it into into something special. Will you tell us a bit about your own career sure I'd be happy to so pretty much. Where word I started in the in the book was I was currently a stay at home? Mom had three little children at home pretty young and so I was busy changing diapers and reading bedtime stories in doing that and I always like to keep busy and and so I had a little bit of a graphic design book layout company that I Kinda just did part time on the side and you know we were just kind of cruising along and living even are happy little American dream and my husband had just started well. He had an insurance agent. It was part of an insurance agency and then we got into the middle of two thousand eight thousand eight hit and Oh dear Jeff we had just I bought a house at the peak of the market and my husband was getting going in his career and overnight we basically lost half the value in our home and my husband was laid off his job and so we had this little tiny family to support and obviously there was a lot of anxiety and concern and everything and so many families can relate to this story as we were not yeah so you know when we just started in thinking about what we're GonNa do so my husband was really passionate about insurance and he's like a wanted to start his own agency so he hung up a shingle and there they went assign on on the door and started working on his own business or whatever but we you know that was going to take a long time to build so it was trying to figure out how we were going to survive in the meantime and so you know some of the conversation was like well. Maybe I should go back to work and what will will happen to the kids and you know all of these difficult conversations with parents about so anyway I it ended up being one of my husband's friends that reached out to him and said Hey. I'm looking for a bookkeeper for my restoration business do you we know of anyone and he said well for my money. I'd hire my wife and pretty soon you know is interviewing with their consultants and the owner of this company Johnny and I got a job has not really qualified to do but they believed in me because I I think I had one thing that was probably been the most important thing throughout my entire career but is if I don't know how to do it. I'll figure it out and you know having a little bit of Grit and and being not afraid to try something that you're uncomfortable with has really helped me so we at that time we were just a little small tiny restoration company after floods and fires and help people rebuild their lives in our homes during that but anyways a little small company that was working out of a farmhouse. I'm house and so you know over the years we just learn grow and and I kind of progress the company and eventually took a role as as as the operations manager in the general manager now Executive Vice President and we are really successful the company that we built and so when I look back I think wow that that's that's remarkable and then one the things that has come out of that then we started a software company because we just realized that the contractor really need a different technology solution and so now I'm a founder of that trying to figure out you know the INS and outs of that so basically I feel like unqualified for every role I've ever held and I'm totally comfortable saying that and actually a little bit proud of that. I think being comfortable was being uncomfortable. Is something to be proud out of it takes a while to to get to that I I loved the first sentence of your book. I am unqualified to write this book so so you own it now. You're you acknowledge that you will wade into something you haven't done before and you're not going to try to hide it. Are you gonNA figure it out right. Yeah and I think what I think why I'm so comfortable saying that and I totally own that is because does I've come to learn being around a lot of successful people and a lot of entrepreneurs and a lot of people who are who are building their life like so there are some some people who are very complacent with where they are and there's others who were builders and anybody who's the builder is unqualified for the next step. No matter how much success they've had in the past whatever they're trying to do that that's going to grow stretching their unqualified at that moment and so I I've learned that we think that there's maybe something magical out there at some point that feeling doesn't exist and it's really not true unless ls you're comfortable with where you're at so yes so part of it. Welfide part of it is learning to get comfortable or moving in past or dealing with fear right that that that's one of the things that you talk about fears what holds a lot of highly qualified people back from trying something new and you learn to deal with fear. How how did you do it where you already in that that mode before you took this job and that's why you took it or have you learned along the way to manage the fear of not being good enough of the fear of the unknown so I think it's a little bit of both so I think I grew up surrounded but well so I come from a big family early and I have six brothers? Oh I'm like someone like I'm after four of them and before or one of us over like I'm just rounded on all sides by by these brothers growing up and so I think at some point you had to learn how to just be a little bit a tenacious nations and and have a little grit and like not be afraid of you know not be timid. I guess is is what I guess there. There was some of that that was kind of ingrained in me but no matter who you are that fear is that there's a universal feeling like it doesn't doesn't necessarily go away. It's how you learn to deal with it. It's how you learned to control your brain and and how you manage that and so in my book I talk a lot about like the tricks and tips that you can try to do and how you can try to like when those fierce come and what kind of thought process you can have to deal with that and also recognizing that is part of your journey. That's the currency that your pain to to reach your dreams. You know you're GONNA YOU'RE GONNA go and fierce going to be there and the the more you can just be accepted of that like they're. They're they're all along for the ride but they do not get to control the destination. You know what it reminds me of a little bit in my own life for my whole adult life I've always been conscious of weight and manage it pretty well but I've had to learn how to do it and part of the way I learned how to do. It is to not panic when I feel hungry not think Oh oh I feel angry. I have to eat but to say to myself. That's just a little bit of hunger. We know I'm not starving. You just noticed that and let it go and you realize that if you choose to live with the hunger pretty soon you forget about it and I think fear can be the same. Do you think that such a powerful analogy and such a powerful like way that we can can incorporate that absolutely it will be there and not to panic right like you and usually fear is something we're either thinking of something that happened in the past asked like rejection that we face in the past or failure we face in the past or we are anticipating it in the future. It's rarely like happening in the present like in the present moment and so if you can realize like in this present moment I am perfectly fine and perfectly safe just like what you were saying. Is I not starving. I'm not in danger of serving arena. I don't need to panic like and just let's ride this out. We have a goal. We have a process like let's work. Our plan one is is a fears that a lot of people have and my day job. I'm an executive coach so I may be able to get inside the heads heads of some really super qualified fabulous people and what strikes me is that at every stage their careers many of them still feel like impostors they feel they still think that maybe someday we'll find out that they're not as good as they're supposed to be for this job. Is this something that you see people grappling with and do you have any suggestions for listeners who might feel like impostors Mr Sometimes yes. I think the biggest thing for me and I'm so glad that there's more dialogue around this topic. More people are talking about imposter syndrome. More people are we're talking about that and I think in the past people just silently lived without thinking that they were the only ones that that felt that way but what I'm finding is that everybody feels that way and I don't know what it is about me but that alone makes me feel comforted right so and okay I keep going. I can keep doing this. We're not alone. There's nothing special about that person. That's different than than me and when we were launching the software I was running into lots of different problems and I felt totally unqualified lied to be able to handle them. I didn't have technology background all of this kind of kind of things I kept thinking if somebody else was in this. CEO role than things would be going doing better and things would be different and that may be true but I went to a conference and there was an entrepreneur I forgive me because I can't even remember what his name was and I would love to give him credit for this nugget that he shared but he was talking about his journey like now he's he's built these these big software companies he's now a VC and he's always investing in new company so he's done this over and over and over and over anyway but he said there were there were times in his his company where he he thought that the the building was on fire that they had near death experiences over and over and over he said at least three or four times thought the company was done and I like for me see that was just such a huge relief. Yeah you're not alone right like this is part of the journey this is part of the process and and do not panic like we can overcome this. We can fix it and now I look back at it and it was it wasn't a near death moment. It was a hiccup got. It was a bump but I could have just said I can't do this. I'm not the person to be leading this company. I give up all of those kinds the things but knowing that that's not the answer that you're surrounded by people that now if you it now if by keeping that moment right where he like I think the key is recognizing that you're unqualified but not staying there now now if I stay in a position where I continue to be unqualified for the same problem over and over and over then. I think that that's where you have a big chance of the more chance of failure but so if I say okay I don't know technology unqualified to run a technology company that is true in that moment if five years from now I also say I do not know technology among qualified durant a technology company than that's a problem. There was obviously some learning that I take from here to five years from now so I am not that same person I might I might be unqualified for the next step in the journey but I I will have kept up with my learning and growth to deal with the challenges that I'm facing and so I I guess I really WanNa be clear about that. It's not staying in this place where you know and you're not prepared. It's understanding understanding that right now you don't know and you're prepared but I have all of the capacity to learn and to grow and to get to the person I need to be and then digging in and doing the work to do that. We'll be back with Bev after this brief message. Are you ready to make a difference in the world world. The Voinovich School of Leadership and Public Affairs at Ohio University can give you the skills to do just that the school school offers a multidisciplinary approach where Public Policy Environmental Studies in Entrepreneurship come together to educate tomorrow's leaders learn more about the master's in public administration or environmental studies by visiting Ohio Dot. Edu backslash at slash well well in your book you talk about how moving forward grappling with the the fear and moving forward anyway one of the tools is your mindset that you can change your mindset. You want to talk a little bit about how how how you perceive mindset and maybe even share some suggestions for people who are listening and and could benefit by having a little mindset shift for sure so I'm going to illustrate with a story that I talk about in the book so I have a friend who wanted to be a counselor right and she wanted to help families and counsel them in the struggles. They're facing in their lives so she went to school to become become a counselor and when she graduated than she started to feel like okay. I still feel unqualified. Maybe I need to go back and get my masters and everything so like she kept getting certification after certification after certification thinking that at some point magic point she was suddenly going to be qualified to yeah started practice and start helping people so that's thinking that the feeling will come after she has a certain number of qualifications that has suddenly her feelings are going to change and then she's going to start to feel qualified but that's not really the case right yeah so our thoughts can change our feelings so rather than thinking. There's GonNa be some magic nick moment if she goes back to the drawing board and says now. I'm not talking about the fact that she doesn't need some education. Obviously she needs a certain baseline line of education before she can go and start practicing but what she gets that then she has on her mindset she has to on the I thought that I am perfectly qualified out. Families and I will learn what I need to to do my work in the process of doing that and if she he starts with a different thought then she creates a different feeling suddenly that thought creates a feeling where I feel qualified I feel competent. I feel like I can go and do this work and then she has great results so our minds are so powerful and they create are alike. They create our reality and so if we start thinking hey you know I can't do this. I need to wait for this and this and this then that is true it produces these feelings among qualification and then she gets into counseling session and and she's not confident and she fumbles around and she she she struggles and then she said see I wasn't ready for this whereas if she starts with a mindset of I'm cody Riley capable and qualified defied to do this work and I will learn what I need to along the way she gets into these counseling sessions. She's confident she shares what she's learned. She you know helps these families and then she finds success so my mind is so such a powerful tool and I think it's the foundation from where we have to start so we can change our mindsets by using our head we could use that conscious the voice in our head to speak to ourselves in a reasonable way the way would to a good friend or somebody who is a a dear colleague we talk about the reality that we can figure it out that there's time that there are resources assist and as we talk to ourselves we change our mindset to one of fear and and focused on failure to one focused on the positive is is that right absolutely and it's it's more than positive thinking it is being deliberate about the power that your thoughts have and I think we underestimate the power that our thoughts bring to us and when we change change and are deliberate about the thoughts that we think and we can change our thoughts we give to choose whatever thought we want to believe whatever thought we choose to believe is true and so we have that power in a lot of times like we would never dream of talking to one of our good for like you said our friend or family namely member of the way that we talk to ourselves and yet that's where all the power is is the way that we talk to ourselves. If you have limiting you know people talk about limiting beliefs. Are you have a negative perception of yourself like there. There is power in going back and exploring during that thought and saying I get to choose whatever I want to believe I get to choose my thought and start choosing the different thought and over time as you learn how to control your brain as you can turn learn how to control your mind then you have such significant results from that. I think another choice that you talk about in the book that I liked. A lot is the way you talk about the future. I some people may be in the terrible spot now. Everything's going wrong and they kinda dream about what they're like down. The road but dreaming coming doesn't get you anywhere but what you talked about in the book is that the the future is your property and you can leap into the future by I acting by taking some steps is that right for sure so I am a powerful believer in creating Lena Vision a written vision of what you want for the future and I think it needs to be big and if you start writing it down in a very century rich way that like you can feel and you can taste new in touch and all of these kinds of things that I think what the power is is that as you read that over as you continue to to see yourself in in that future role and have a vision for where you're going what you're doing or whatever that eh your brain doesn't like disconnect and so it doesn't like that feeling of where you are now and where like this different vision I and there's a disconnect there and it will go to work sub consciously trying to solve those problems like how am I getting from here to here and so like when hey you're doing that then you create all of these subconscious tools to work in your favor the and you'll start seeing yourself being able to solve problems or meet people or do things things that put you in the position where your visions taking you a lot of times it will happen while you're doing unconscious work work like why you're folding laundry or you're running at the gym or your taking a shower then all of a sudden you'll have this brilliant of idea via about how how again there and that's your brain going to work trying trying to get that vision that you incorporated operated now. I think there is a very big difference between just dreaming talking about what this dream is and all that kind of stuff and not putting in the effort burqas in that can just be delusion. You're losing yourself about that but when you combine the two the really dedicated and specific work with that vision of where you WanNa go I think really powerful things happen. Sometimes it's not so easy you have the vision you feel good about it. You get off to a great start but you bogged down there stumbles there fumbles and and you reach a point where maybe you look around it a friend who just always keeps going and you think gosh. I wish I had had the perseverance of that person. I wish I had her grit. A lot of people quit at that point. I think you know I just don't have to grit and it's a word I notice she used earlier in our talking to use it in the book and what you say is that Grit isn't something that other people have avs through sheer luck grit something that you can acquire for yourself. Is that right for sure so in that scenario. I think there's two things I it's like what you just said about yourself. I don't have that great so like I do think I'm a person that can develop gueret right and so it doesn't have to be like a huge leap you can bring yourself to the thought that you WanNa have so if you're starting from thaw of like I we don't have any grit and you WANNA get to. I have lots of Grit. Maybe the bridge to that is I don't have a lot of grit but I am a person in who can develop a lot of grit and developing grit is just like any other attribute or talent or skill it takes practice. This Hannity takes doing work but there are ways that you can work to develop grit and people aren't just born out of the womb with tons of your grid read. That's something that like either life has challenged them to create for themselves or they consciously put themselves in situations where they develop develop grit. They're like okay. I'm going to take on big goal at a lot of times people develop grit by dewey physical things that test their body and to show that your your mind controls your body and that develops a lot of grit so that when next time you're in a difficult situation with your business or with your family and you're just like you know. I'm just ready to give up. This is too tough that you can say no. I'm in charge and I'm gonNA keep going. I'm going to continue to put the work in something else that that we can learn to get better at is dealing with failure. We talked a little bit about getting past a feel of our a fear of failure but there's also the challenge of moving on when you've actually stumble when you've actually failed. One of the things that I've learned for myself is that I'm much less worried about failure than I was. When I was much younger I've just done it so many times and it wasn't always easy but eventually got up up and so failure is in a scary as you go along? Did you have that experience of being afraid of failure and then having little stumbles and finding it wasn't the end of the World Oh for sure for sure so again I keep talking gene about my childhood but I think that that's where all of us get like a lot of these ingrained attributes for ourselves happens in childhood and then were either like like drying from them or having to overcome them but I grew up in a family of very high achievers and failure was was not something that was celebrated at all like it was. What can we do to avoid failure every cost you try harder you work hard or whatever and you avoid awarded failing? It wasn't something that was celebrated but as I grew up I came to realize that failure happens opens in like it is not a defining characteristic about who you are your character your worth as a human being all of those kind of things things and was able to separate myself from that and go all it means is that it didn't work. That's okay like I'll try something else in that work or it may not that they fail to and I can try something else on something else and so I mean you've heard all her all of the stories about people who you tried you know one thousand times ten thousand times before something actually worked men and was this massive success so that had nothing to do with their they're worth as a human being or their contribution or help some worthy they were or anything like that it just had to do with they haven't figured handed out yet. It's it's human to be fearful of the unknown. I think the ancestors that we might right of had who were not fearful were not our ancestors because they were all eaten by lions or something they ancient days we the survivors of the ones who are a little afraid cautious but they have to go forward anyway otherwise we wouldn't be here either. You have to keep moving and you can move past past fear something else that you talk about that. We all have the two seems to be part of being human and it hurts. Sometimes this and that's feeling vulnerable. That sounds like something else people can grapple with for sure and you know I think this one is so tricky to an especially as anybody who's leading organization or whatever that there there there is a place where you to be vulnerable and to say okay this is where I'm at and there's also like that can easily cross the line to inappropriate appropriate sharing or like things that may not be appropriate for the context of the situation and you know may may not be in a situation and where where you're sharing that is is really a safe place and stuff like that so but I do think the more often authentic and the more real and candidate you can be in as a leader or in your relationships in all of those kind of things and showing that vulnerability that hey I don't know all the answers and I'm not in this position because I know all the answers but I will tell you that as the team we can figure it out. You know that kind of creates this this place where everybody can work from and there's a lot of energy from well. That's good advise and there's a lot of other good advice of the book and I I said in the introduction but I want to say again the full title because I think it's great the the title of Your Book Is Unqualified Success Bridging the gap between where you are now and where you want to be to achieve passive success. I think your readers will enjoy it. It's a good read and it's got good advice but let me ask since we're just about out of time if somebody out there is it has listened all the way here to the end of this episode and they're they're. They're struggling about how they're going to get through today and how they're feeling unqualified you have any final advice for those listeners about just where to start yeah. I think there's lots of places to start. I don't think that there's I think just like many things is in life. There's a million ways to to achieve something. There's a million avenues that you think there but I think have I starting with your mindset exploring where your mind are and where your thoughts are and exploring. How maybe you have some that aren't serving you in the way that they could be and I think if you started there and start working on that and learning how to shift your mindset in your belief system in yourself in another people in the world around you? I think that that is the key there's a lot of exercises. There's exercises exercises at every chapter my book and there's also lots of resources online that you could go to to to start practicing and I would say it takes practice. It takes skill dislike anything else you know. People don't become you know excellent at whatever it is. They're working on becoming. You don't have a gold medalist. That just came now. It took a lot of practice and so I think that's a good place to do like nothing is fix and you're not stuck and stagnant. There's always hope there's always like something different out there for you you as long as you're committed to okay I can figure it out. I can learn I can grow and having that hunger to to to not be stuck. Wherever it is is that your stock would also sorry? I was just going to say I think that is a growth mindset. As long as you have a growth mindset and you can choose to have a growth rose mindset then you can find your way that right absolutely I mean anybody who is hungry to grow. They'll figure out a way to be able to do it and it doesn't have anything to do with how smart you are or whatever there's so many people that will say out work work will out and trump sorry. I'll start again. Work will trump talent any day of the week and I am a firm believer that and that maybe that's that's just me like being kind to myself because I don't think I'm like intrinsically very gifted. I think that I work really hard and in that mindset can change so much in our life I totally agree with you and I'm so grateful for your joining me today a day. This has been a a great talk and I I wish you well on the Path is you're letting people know about the book. I'm I'm sure it's going to do well. Thank you for joining me here to tell us about it. Thank you so much for having me and I'm wishing all of your listeners lots of a success and happiness in their unqualified journey today we've been talking with Rachel Stewart author of unqualified success about how you can move past fear and and self doubt and set the stage for great success in your career. This podcast is produced by. WB Public Media Adam Bridge is our audio engineer. I'm your host Beppe Jones author of Zinc like an entrepreneur athletic a CTO. Today's career tip is that getting past feared self-doubt is sometimes a matter of coming to terms with that negative voice in your head. 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No Filler: Reflection and Reckoning - Blood Orange's Freetown Sound

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No Filler: Reflection and Reckoning - Blood Orange's Freetown Sound

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The music podcast dedicated to sharing the often overlooked hidden gems that fill the space between the singles on our favorite records. My name is travis. Gummer brother quinton with me as always as we promised. Last week we are talking about the music of devante. Hines sometimes goes by deb heinz but he is known. Musically has blood orange and as we of talked about last week he is a lot of ways the type of rb and funk and electronic that he does is very much sort of a An evolution on the minneapolis. Sound that we talked about. Last week. With jesse johnston and the time and prince funk but with a sent pop new wave band to it which i am all about it i will never get tired of. Yeah and he does. He does better than than than anybody. These days And you know as we talked about with monette. It is hard to say. I'm glad that. I texas is easy to say you know what i mean. Texture washington new. That's where we live. So i noticed when i listened back to last week's episode both of us said many annapolis. Yeah a few times without even noticing. It's fine people make mistakes kim. I like minneapolis. Honestly me to finger rolls off the tongue little better but As we talked about with the minneapolis sound last week they blended with rb and funk right. Yeah so with deb heinz. He's doing all that but instead of new wave he's mixing in sort of indie rock stop. You know it's two thousand twenty. You know what i mean but anyway speaking of indie rock. Let's talk about his history a little bit so i didn't realize this. But he's been in the biz for longtime his first Project he was a guitar player for a for a punk rock. Indie band called test icicles. Manas that talk about a band aggregate her name. Obviously it's a play on words q. Wait hang on testicles. All my god test is silly. Me right zeleny And so that you know his his background is. I shouldn't say it's back on. He got his start doing like indie punk rock. Kind of stuff shortly after that thousand two thousand four two thousand four to two thousand six. He was in a band called test. Icicles he then sort of broke off and did his own thing and it was more of an indie folk type thing and he called himself lightspeed. Champion thous two thousand eight to twenty ten. He got some notoriety with that but nothing really ever took off as much as blood. Orange did and blood orange started back in two thousand nine and that's a right when we had our music blog you so we that was right in the thick of. Yeah so we talked about His first record coastal grooves We talked about I think that the main single we probably played the single on our podcast ups on our blog. You'll never we'll never get it straight. They're the same thing in my mind for some reason. Yeah no it's more of the same just different different media and i'm probably going to pronounce his wrong sophon boulevard sutphin boulevard anyway. I remember that song we covered it. We talked about it. And to me when i listened back to coastal grooves and even some of the stuff he did on cupid deluxe a couple years later it sounded like it was from the early twenty s. It had that indie not not chill wave but it had that that that sound that that a lot of people were doing back. Then you're saying it fits in with the time that it came out. Yeah right we were blown away recently. When we found out that dream pop is synonymous with shoot. I feel like the twenty. Tens was leaning heavy on the more indie rock like dreamy. Pop yeah right. And that's what we 'cause that's i guess. Our first exposure to shoe gays was the stuff dream. Pop shoe gazing stuff. That was come out in in the two thousand. Ten's not realizing that went back to the to the eighties. Right right anyway The reason i'm talking about that is because it wasn't really until Freetown sound which is the record talking about today. Came out in two thousand sixteen that he really started to sort of come into his own as far as his sound and stuff like you can hear it in coastal grooves and and you can definitely hear it start to build like momentum and stuff on cupid blocks but freetown sounds win like blood. orange becomes Blood orange in my mind as far as like he's found himself he knows his sound. He's confident and you can hear it. And this is two albums after coastal groups right so it's coastal grooves. Cupid deluxe freetown sound. So here's what happens in between coastal grooves and cupid deluxe in. This is part of. What makes deb heinz Such a talented artist is that he's also a songwriter and producer Sort of in between all of this stuff. So he's produced and written songs for salon. Jay which beyonce's sister sister hayme sky ferreira chemical brothers kylie minogue. Blondie which that's how that connection was formed araya kerry basically he writes coastal grooves in in between this and writing up to cuba deluxe. He's producing for these huge popstars right. And that's sort of where he sort of honing his craft and stuff like that right and so by the time you get to freetown sound. He an something. You may have noticed that he he typically only collaborates produces rights for female singers and that he's sort of things in that registered to and that's sort of his comfort zone and stuff like that by the time we get to freetown sound he ha- he features people like carly. Rae jepsen blondie and some other artists on that record so he's just as comfortable producing writing even on his own albums for other people As he has getting buying microsoft and stuff like that anyway. So that's not what's important about freetown. There's actually a lot that we have to talk about. As far as events happening in the world because it informs his writing and the way that he essentially viewed the world and himself in when he was writing freetown sound. So should we play a song. Let's play a song so we're gonna play this in the order that it happened because it tells the story so this is not really a song but it is something that he put out on soundcloud back in two thousand fifteen so let me just tie that i got paint pictures here q but we got gotta have the whole story here to no no. I'm only via. I'm anxious to hear more about okay. So in twenty fourteen. He performed at lollapalooza with his then girlfriend. I forgot her name but anyway he was on stage with his girlfriend This was after the trayvon martin. Eric garner All the black lives matter movement started to kind of kick into gear right and so on stage. He spoke out against police brutality. While wearing a t shirt with the names of trayvon martin. Eric garner jordan davis oscar grant. What happened after that. Is he was assaulted by security at the lollapalooza stage. What after speaking out against police brutality basically one of the one of those security guards roughed him up or something like that. He's s man right so that happens to him in twenty fifteen summer of two thousand fifteen basically. He was talking about how after this was after the eric garner grand jury decision. He was like in this depression. I'm going to quote unquote him. Real quick. he he's talking to. He did like a radio interview with this guy. I think he's a producer named kindness. Also goes by adam. Bridge adam bainbridge shari but anyway kindness was asking about this song play. It's not really a song. The actually they referred to as A collage style piece of music. Anyway so this is dave speaking. He says i basically wrote a crazy thing just stream of consciousness kind of thing on blood orange facebook about how feeling about what was happening in america and then i just started playing the piano so anyway so it's just like spoken word type thing with with some music ladies put behind it but i wanted to play this one part. This thing is ten minutes almost eleven minutes long but anyway i wanted to play jump to this one part where he starts talking about like the history of his name so is looking up. What my loss name meet someone. Its origins to radius. Get spelt different ways. Hi any s. the most common spending and I found that it originates from the name. A hanes. h. e. y. s. And that origin is irish. It's an irish name. Always knew my name would essentially be based on a slave name but yes it's an irish name meaning servant so essentially not only. Is my loss name a name. We donated from slave trade but it literally means a servant. So i mean it's a weird thing to have to carry around. I'm proud of my name proud of night. Dad's i'm proud of my family. It's very strange to carry that. We all carry. Every person carries up now the reason i faded that. They're accused because that music in the background actually gets louder and it's hard to hear would he. Would he continues to say but somebody somebody kind of transcribed the rest of it. And so i'm gonna read just a walmart part of it. He says it's strange. I've been thinking about this a lot. Essentially almost what. This album is referring to freetown. Sound is myself. I feel like i'm deconstructing myself. Trying to work out. Who i am so i'm not this painted image of who i was i think in my past. I was almost projecting an image of myself. That was wasn't even mind what i mean by that is. There's this james baldwin interview where he is discussing when he was writing native son how. He was growing up projecting this that was painted him. He never had eaten watermelon before he never really listened to jazz before you know all these things at the white man has painted of the black person the person's culture now. That's not to say those things don't have richness in them that you can celebrate the we did create so we're here to essentially go back deconstruct all of that and learn to speak for the first time i feel like i'm learning to speak again in my late twenties. So they go all. This stuff is going around in his head as he's writing freetown sound and you know he just flipped on a microphone and recorded himself. Just thinking through these things out loud in july of two thousand fifteen posted on soundcloud. Yeah it's powerful stuff man. it's crazy right. Yeah and i'm so happy that he that he released this out there and did this right. He goes on to say in that interview that leg. I started realizing it's okay to make music that isn't for people to listen to if it's a sense of therapy so he's try he he's Forming his own identity separate from the quote painted image that was forced upon him right base talking about black identity right now there. Are these certain images you think about the old like little tiny cartoons islamic aunt jemima shirt that are just forced upon people. And how they have to kinda rediscover themselves in and You know determine what their identity is in a way not only that he. It's part of his last name to right right. yeah man. that's i mean. Do it goes without saying that. This isn't something that we really know anything about Personally no we don't know that's right we. We don't really deal with these kind of things. I think we should say on my care. you know. it's black history month. We should you know you. And i stand in solidarity with the black lives matter movement something that we support one hundred percent absolutely you know and i think it's great to to to get these stories told and yeah dude. I'm glad that he posted that. Even if it was just kind of a spur of the moment and you know it's i think it's cool that he didn't really think too much about it. It just kinda came out. And i mean that's one powerful thing about the internet right like good or bad. Sometimes we get these these moments of like clarity and self reflection you know. I think it's awesome posted bright. We'll so This guy that was interviewing him on the radio producer. He goes by kindness. Like i said earlier. He kinda summed it up. Nicely said Coastal grooves was defining. Identity cuba deluxe was interpersonal relationships. And and that identity it has. I think freetown sound is your identity in society. Maybe and then devante says This last album freetown sound. This is me in the type of person. I am amongst this certain corner of the world. It's me stip stepping back. And saying oh i am a black man living in america so all the stuff that the bucket management back in twenty fifteen prior to that too you know just made him really step back and reflect on himself in society right in his identity and whatnot so it kind of sounds like he reflected on that and then stepped forward and owned it. Yeah absolutely and that's what. This album is all about all right. Let's hear some music. Let's hear some music. Sorry that that took a long time but you really have to. You can't listen to this album and not know all of that context. I'm glad i'm glad you did it. Man i definitely appreciate that. Well that's the thing like when you listen to this record. There's so many things he ties and throws into the record Scenes from from movies and stuff Clips from black lives matter marching and protesting all this stuff and like you can just listen. That'd be like oh cool. He can't through in there. But when you when you step back and realize oh he was assaulted by security. Yeah lollapalooza after after taking a stand against this kind of stuff. It helps you understand what this album is about. All right Let's play speaking of which we're gonna play. There's like like i was saying there's these little moments throughout the record and this is one of them. It's a track called with him. Track five it's a minute and twenty five seconds long we're gonna play the whole thing and let it play into edp which is kinda. I pick her both familiar with the vp is features. Blondie i think i think that's on one of our playlists. Yeah it's on our best of the decade playlist but here we go. This song is called with him. sure lacking and better lack lack is blue. Lacquers rings with chicken. Ben mcevoy light and black will leave. You can get you can set you down. Election and black will make you ask took car. So what made you take back you away and hide in the fourth first seems to be the best nevins from in high you out okay. I love that song so much. It's just so catchy man in all the different layers and textures and and John lewis at your hearing. You know. I mean that's the perfect example of what we're talking about where we say that he has taken the minneapolis. Sound the torch and these he's kinda carrying it and adapting it for you know twenty sixteen with came out yeah he's evolved it and modernized it. But yeah there's definitely that backbone still there. I think it's goes. It goes along with that. The sense lines that he has this kind of like stabby since lines the burning. Yeah definitely the sense the center Sounds right out of the the eighties. Yeah there's an npr article that are that got a lot of info from they say. Debbie harry crashes the party as if a dj had dropped the needle on blondie rapture. I like the way that they described her vocals. Come in for that core. It does kind of come out of nowhere right. Does kinda sound like it's coming from a different like different sound system or something. Yeah exactly and that's the thing. He's not just a musician. He's a producer. Maybe i i don't know i mean he's he's a kevin parker sure. Yeah i i've i've thought about about that he is. He is up there with kevin. I don't want to say there with kevin partner. I think he exceeds kevin partner parker in some ways but he's the same kind of There's no reason to compare them here. I mean you know. It's the same type of level of talent exactly musically music through and through. It just runs through your veins. Yeah exactly so he. He produced the blondie song he wrote and produced a blondie song called longtime which came out. Actually after this record So he hadn't actually worked with. Blondie are produced for blondie yet but B it's worth noting that tom defines like a multi instrumentalist. I think that goes without saying So does he play drums. We see if he plays drums on this particular curious. Because of it. That's kind of spoken-word stuff that you played. I that knows a really cool trump ages wondering where it came from. Yeah so he is yes. He is drums on on this track. He is the bass on this track. He is the qatar Can like with. Kevin parker a lot of what you hear As far as the instruments go is is from the this one guy deb. Heinz sure bring up. Kevin parker a lot. I nodded big. Fan boys yeah but anyway But yeah so that clip. That i played i the track with him There was a kind of the be poetry at the end but that was that was actually taken from documentary. Yeah i was wondering about. That was really cool. It's from a documentary. Called black is that came out. And that's kind of what you heard that that part from that it came out in nineteen ninety four. A documentary called black is black. Ain't it's somebody named marlin rigs or at least that's the person who made the documentary. But that's where they sampled toward the end there but in the beginning of with him. There's a lyric says you chose to fade away with him. I chose to try and let u n. So what's interesting about that lyric. He throws it in to that song with him. But it actually. I showed up on the end of a music video for another single that he released for four. This album came out. So that i track that i played was called d. You see my skin through the flames. That spoken word thing that he put on soundcloud okay. After that he released a single called sandra's smile and it came out in twenty fifteen a couple months. After do you see my skin through the flames anyway. That song was about sandra bland. Which was that the black woman who was killed in prison. In fricken i think Mckinney or something like that. I like to me but anyway that song was sort of an oath to her and he was singing about in particular her but also the song was written for these women. Who are these mothers who have buried their children after police intervention police brutality right. And so the reason. I'm bringing it up. I don't wanna play the song but at the end of the music video not the song itself but the music video. He throws that that same lyric at the end of the video that you heard in with him and shows up later in another song. Yeah this this line. He keeps coming back to. You chose to fade away with him. I chose to try and let you in. It's a very vague. Could mean a lot of different things. Yeah but it's interesting that he tied it to his song about that. He wrote to as node to sandra bland and mothers lost their their sons. Exactly anyway. so let's move on the next tracker so This next song is one of my favorites on the record. It's called hands up and it is in some small way at least about trayvon martin and you'll hear in the chorus ally jumps out. That should jump out at you if you're paying attention. So every song is called hands up chill Shiftless taylor hey off. And i love the way he records his voice. Mixes it end dude. It's sounds great with headphones. Do yeah yeah and In edp he singing more on his like lower register right but in the song is very much thing and in the higher register that was talking about earlier. Very much channeling like prince. You know with the way sings. I'm all about it. did anyway. The lyrics in the chorus. Are you sleeping with the lights on baby. And then there's this sort of these background vocals. I guess hands up. Get out hands up get out. Keep your head off when you're walking because day. Try not to be obsessed with your hating. I don't even know what that means. Sure enough they're going to take your body so anyway keep your head off when you're walking is obviously about trayvon martin right and anyone else who has to deal with that shit right which i don't have to deal with man right i just don't exactly I can walk around with with the. I'm wearing a hoodie right now. For fox say now. I'm not outside walking around night But i'm just saying that's that's a reference to the fact that trayvon martin was wearing a hoodie when he got shot by by george zimmerman. Yeah but yeah. This is what he's sort of reflecting on as a black man in america in his in his twenties. Yet what does it mean to be to be black in this country. Like you got to keep your hood off when you're walking you know i mean Sleep with the lights on. That makes me think of Brianna hadn't happened yet that that didn't happen. I know but like it's it's you know she. She was shot in her sleep. Right anyway. let's play the end of it here because because Do something at the end. That's kind of interesting So here we go. Here's another part to To hands up before then. It's no replacement for when you place me for something. It will always so you heard the end. That was the The chance that would often be Recited lives matter protests hands up. Don't shoot hands up. Don't shoot That little news segment or the person talking at the end. That was interesting what he was saying. I thought that was van jones. But because i recognize voice. You know that the cnn commentator van jones thought it was interesting where the point at which cut off that what he was saying right and that it's interesting that it was cut off their author for reason you right but Let me let me try to figure out what the quote was. According to said if if there's a replacement for something to will always be in that cut off something like that right okay so it is a guy named Then staples and this is taken from a has a time magazine interview anyway Missing something never been done before the snow replacement for it. There's a replacement for something always. And i wish i knew what the rest of the quote was but and i couldn't find it again like this is just a runs through this record. And that's the thing it's one of those records got play from start to finish on. Are we say a lot but now with his record the whole thing is there's a thread that goes through the whole thing and i was talking about how there's a lyric that gets repeated a few times going back to a song that's not even on this and Mexican play that song next. The song that actually takes that lyric in in canada does something with the finally So anyway here's our next drag Be i wanted to also mention at the end of that song hands up to the second clip. We played here at the little guitar. Diddy in the background. That's not to not to do like a. He's just like jesse johnson just like we talked about last week. You know he he. He can throw it out on the guitar too. It sounded very eighties. Yeah so anyway all right so this. Next song is called squash squash June added captivating. Yeah the way he he blends so many different sounds and genres together. in ways that like these are things that like. Maybe don't seem like they shouldn't work together. But he makes them all work together. Really well you know a definitely does borrow from a lot of different jonah's but yeah it's just it just feels like blood orange right. And that's what i'm saying like i. It seemed like his first two records were about you. Know he wasn't he hadn't really found that that sound yet but having worked on some like producing a writing for some popstars and stop and maybe just the way that he you know the way that he's piecing together these clips for movies and interviews and recordings of of chance and then like during protests and stuff. I will always be a fan of of songs that have ambient. Yeah and ray like the crowds in the background right and stuff like that. When it's done right it's it can be really effective and also can let me just say real quick dude. This was our least favorite thing about running a music blog we got to wear. We just could not stand trying to figure out how to properly described the sound of whatever band we were covering it gets hard yet. Sometimes the words just don't come to mind. Yeah i mean you got to be the music I dunno scholars. Don't have the my thesaurus at the ready. You know read but Them he's got he. It's it's part of that minneapolis. Funky are and be new wave. Well let's thing like when you hear. R&b funk new wave and since those are things that describe the minneapolis sound. They don't seem like they should work together but they sure do man. The parents and the time and jesse johnson they. They've figured it out. He has really found the like echoey. Sweet spot dude. He's got just the right amount on his voice. It sounds like the eighties. that kind of eighty sound. yeah but anyway I was trying to find who to credit that saxophone. Playing that was another thing. I wanted to say man yeah. How cool is that saxophone. There needs to be more saxophone these days man. I couldn't agree more. I don't care what genre couldn't agree more. So there is a saxophone player named jason arse that is listed accredited with tracks. One three five three seven and fifteen but not for twelve which is what we just played. And i know deaf hines plays the sax i'm guessing it steph heim day ago but he's not listed on here as doing the sax on track twelve. He's a humble guy all right anyway so got one more track for us here and i mean i know it's it just seems like they just keep getting better and better but this one i think might be might be my new favorite on the record. Vp has long been when my favorite tracks from that decade as seen on our play list of top one hundred non singles from the last decade. If you wanna check that out on spotify but I confess i haven't really listen to this record as intimately as i have this last week preparing for this episode so this song is called better than me and i want to credit. The vocalist A another vocalist on here. I think it's a well known. Yeah okay carly rage. Aspen curler jepson. Everybody knows call me. Maybe remember that song. Oh dude i love that cable you did you love. The song. Jepsen is featured in the strike. So here we go. This song is called better than me. Be mistaken burke sea change case which he am Say they can't change the kiss cam systems. Haixing seats awesome me. Then she the off season change caman hamann's such an intimate five to it like it really pulls you in like you feel like you're just right there with him. Yeah or at least. I did those drums. I love the drums man. It's almost like a drum and bass drum and bass kinda thing almost yes a really cool beat and then i i love carly rejections voice in that man. It's kinda like that whispered you know like you said intimate that that pre course at her endeavor sing together. Yeah i love the way that they that pace that And what's interesting like. I noticed it on the second. I think it was the second pre course like it started with just her voice and then he like joined in like mid verse or something like that. His voice was added to it. Really good composition. Yeah and that's the thing. He's a songwriter producer. He's classically trained. I didn't mention that earlier. That probably goes without saying but anyway The song it sounds like it's about. I guess seeing himself as not enough. That's what i'm reading on Genius dot com. Somebody's interpretation of lyrics the despite dev knowing deep down what defines his worth. He is temporarily blinded by his jealousy when he sees himself as not enough. He knows where is not defined by his blackness or squareness but sometimes he thinks it makes him so didn't mention that earlier but his his His sexuality kind of fluid He was on the cover of out magazine. I remember when but he got some pushback on that because people like wait a minute. We didn't think you're gay and all the stuff and he kind of doesn't define himself sexually which is see a sexual. Yeah i was gonna say that's a that's a sexuality in its own category. I'm in A sexual or there's a bunch of queer is kind of the umbrella term queasiness threat. Very right yeah anyway And that's part of part of kind of his appeal in my opinion and what. Npr actually this npr article that i referenced earlier actually put it perfectly in the way that they described him. And you know we've talked about like oh you know. He's a torch carrier he's carrying the torch reprints like that i think. Npr says a better. Here they say. Heinz is the air to cross-disciplinary nearly indefinable mavericks like prince. David bowie and michael jackson whose talent burned so brightly. It consumed mundane notions of sex and race. Yeah hattie perfect as perfect man. It's fucking perfect and david bowie. That's that's i don't know why i didn't think about are never really think about the but david bowie was was kind of famous for that. Too right yeah absolutely. There was no Same with prince especially where it's like kind of androgynous. Yeah in like he played into that anyway. so yeah that's that's all i got for this record Fantastic it's student. Amazing record their seventeen tracks on here. You have to pull it up. Push play track one. Let it ride all the way through it so enjoyable to listen to. It was really hard for me to pick. That's why there are so many tracks. I could have easily played two or three more. 'cause there's a bunch of really really awesome track on here anyway. I'm going to say one more thing here to wrap it up says here i'm reading. I'm quoting a pitchfork review. And i want to start trying to get in the habit of citing the authors here when i called them but this was somebody named marcus. J moore who wrote that freetown sound represents the innermost workings of a man waiting for his own insecurities holding his flaws in weaknesses. Up to the light for everyone to see. He's trying to make sense of himself his race and sexuality while taking a hard look at what this world has become. The future isn't so hopeless but we won't make it if we don't fords the path together. Pass awesome so you gotta have guts. You gotta be bold to to put all the stuff out there man. Nothing but respect for for deaf. Yeah the funny things like this is a guy who hasn't he's never been afraid to put it out there he. He wore a shirt on stage with names of of trayvon martin and others. Who were killed by police brutality and spoke out against on a stage. And then you know. He was assaulted because of moran but he didn't let that. Stop him right. He went on and made this record after that. So anyway yeah my respect for him. Shot through the roof Just this past week reading about him and figuring out what this record was about. He's amazing he's put out some more records since then. I haven't listened to them. But i probably will But he you know one thing speaking of and this is probably what will close on. He did a remix of borderline by tame impala house. We have we been talking about. Kevin parker That'll be our attracts. he remixed borderline. Which of course is a track off of the slow rush which came out last year anyway. so yeah that's that right so next week we are doing our second. What you heard episode Which we've teased a couple times. The last couple of weeks man. I'm sitting on so much music. Dude i got some good stuff to I need to hone it a little bit. Are we doing five each again. Yeah we have to okay. That's probably what it's going to be every time because why not so. We're going to be bringing songs that we've been listening to songs that we heard on the radio songs on movie whatever. Whatever we've been. We've been listening to what's a rating Songs we heard on the internet about that And we're going to bring five songs each and spend a good hour or so jammat-e-islami which we used to do at the end of episode at the at the end of every episode but for this year we're going to we're doing in once a month instead and doing it as a like a full episode format. Yeah we used to do one track each every episode and We decided it's just it's more fun to to spend our sharing music together. And then we do have. I should also say we do have what you heard spotify playlist you can find. I think if you just type in no filler Just scroll past the some forty one record. All killer no filler. Sco past that and you'll find my profile. Which is the no filler official. Profile for spotify. And we've got quite a few playlists on their one of them being what you heard playlist. It's every single. What you heard song we've ever played all thrown into a playlist We also mentioned earlier. The top one hundred non singles from twenty tens. You can find that plus done spotify Oh we also have our favorites Our top twenty favorites from twenty twenty. That we just put up a couple of weeks back so yeah lots of good playlists on spotify all right so that was that Next week will come at you with a what you heard episode. And in the meantime you could find us on our website. No filler podcasts dot com. And i'm a few weeks behind on that site you admittedly but I forgive you yes okay. You can find all of our previous episodes on the website really. It's more about Funding our show notes and track lists for each episode. Because obviously you can listen to our podcast on wherever you're listening to us now. I would think that probably zero people. Listen to our podcast from the website but doesn't make any sense to do it that way. Why would you do it. it's called. 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The MMA Hour: Episode 485 (w/ Adam Borics)

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The MMA Hour: Episode 485 (w/ Adam Borics)

"You're listening to the media podcast network. It is Monday, June seventeenth two thousand nineteen and this is the hour. Everyone welcome. My name is Luke. Thomas. I am the host of this program. Thank you so much for joining me. I greatly appreciate it. Let's see fund show plan to day we're going to recap all the action from billet or to twenty two. The good the bad, the ugly and everything in between, to help us, do that at one o'clock, he was the big winner in the air and PICO fight Adam borsch will be here. Just prior to that to talk about the news that he is not going to be training with Peraza hobby. I find this very interesting. Kevin league you have see lightweight turn welterweight. We'll be here. Plus, you Susan, you will be my guest not want to different ways as always, I would the tweets went around. The tweets happens with the hashtag the enemy our keeps sending those, please house, appreciated when you do and as well. And a particular to that, we're having a nice little long segments on your calls on the sound off. Eight four. Four four eight six six two four six eight. So international callers the hour at FOX media dot com. Okay. Hope everyone had a great weekend. Happy fathers day belatedly to everyone. I had my first Father's Day as a father got to tell you. It's pretty fun. At least it was for me. So I want to thank my family for taking care of your hope your family took care of you hope you guys were thinking all the dads out there. Yeah. Let's do some tweets. Let's do a rounded them tweets about that. All right. There we go. Rory has looked fresh in his stand up. And I didn't realize how nasty has BJ was he out gravelled Gracie? He did not outgrow Gracie. My question though is that lead leg? How do you think he does in the Lima rematch? And will he find a way to protect the leg? Let me say this one more time he did well to nullify some of the grappling of Gracie, he did not in any way out grapple him. That'd be just be very clear about that Gracie out grab him not enough to win the fight, but you're asking, who's got better to just do Neiman, Gracie bio mile okay, that lead leg. I don't know. Because if you watch the first fight Lima gave him tons of problems with it, and it's something that he has had a bit of an issue with sense. I suspect Lima's going to get after it, man. Next. What's your best advice, your dad ever gave you? Jesus, y'all don't even know who my dad is, how do I explain this one? Don't be a failure. That's been told to me before. Yeah, I don't. I mean, my dad's helped me a lot, don't get me wrong, but terms of like super, solid inspiring hallmark card advice. He ain't the guy next. What exactly does horrid Gucci's win means for Bella Tor? It's not great for their champions, to lose to other champs seems like it would devalue them in terms of skill also since we're Gucci's only obligated to defend once per year. What does that mean for one hundred thirty five pounds number one, you might see your first interim title in dilatory? So keep that in mind. But what does it do for built or look Bill tour took a risk? But don't you wanna see them take a risk, by the way, Horiguchi is still there Bella torch champs? So in some ways they get to own the winner and I'm using the word own here in quotations. No matter what actually kind of like that. He's been put in that position. And that these, these organizations took their risk it. Yeah. Like you, would you would rather see Caldwell mature into the talent that he is. But it took a risk and Horiguchi came out on top. And they still get the benefit of calling him the champ. And then him defending if he doesn't offend enough, I suppose, that's an issue. But I actually think this is a win for all the parties more. So for Reisen. Yes and more civil Gucci. But Bill tour comes out of here. A little bit of a little bit to hang their hat on next. Do you think she'll center will ever be inducted into the hall of fame depends on the wing? Depends on the wing. He's been around long enough to be part of the pioneer wing, which people don't realize but I don't know. I don't know probably, they'll find a way to get them in one way or the other maybe through like the Anderson, Silva fight or some other wing. But I suspect, they will I suspect they will next. How marketable do you think? Amanda nunez. Just go on drudge are fit. Like you could have made a good video package covering both for pride twenty nineteen. But they missed the boat on that one outside of Brazil. How would you think you'll see can promote them? I don't know. I mean look, the UFC has some kind of a odd posture towards Rum's on Kadurov and his fighters. They've never answered what they about for that they've never explained why there was that one other shows and was he invited. I don't know if he was he wasn't or wire okay was signing. These guys who come from a team with a guy related to these issues that they sell shirts that say we are all fighters is a glib response to it. So, like how much do they care? I dunno judging by their actions. But to me, selling t shirts doesn't tell you a whole lot probably could be more with both of them. But probably, I think it's a little bit unrealistic to expect either of them to be enormous American stars. So could they do more? Yes. But still have some temperatures petitions next. Given the questions arising from recent fights in the UFC. And Bill toward, you think it would be who've either organization to establish their own in house development promotion. They kind of already have you have seaside UFC already seems to be trending in this way with the new PFI's and some of the other programming. Yeah. You have there was this New York Times article in there like the US's not investing in the future of the sport. I'm like, well, there's plenty of criticisms to make the UFC that ain't one of them, they do a lot to promote the next generation where by the way, contender series starts tomorrow, and then tough. And then what they're building in China and Mexico with the performance institutes like. Yeah, but Bella tour Bill towards different because both are situated to sign people who would ordinarily be competing on the regional scene, and then give them that kind of treatment. But again, I don't think they're best situation for that either next. With all the talk about whether Jiang deserves title shot on our people overlooking the actual up I don't really expect just go to come home with about. Yeah. She's competitive, she's competitive, the, the question is just whether she's the most deserving of the opportunity, but is Jiang while Zhang actually competitive? Yes is, she has one more one more or more. And we have to get to our next guest. How do you think? Rockland. Chris wideman? We'll do it light-heavyweight. And do think they will be threat to Jones. I think they'll be better at light heavyweight. Luke Rocco probably more. So. But I don't know who's a threat to Jones to be honest with you. Okay. We have our guest, what's the deal. Mr segarra. All right. We're still trying to get them. Still trying to find out where it what's going on here. In the meantime. The old coke zero. Delessio. So, yeah, I actually spoke to I think I said, this limit may beat actually spoke to. God, I cannot remember names today. Ray Longo Jesus. And rate was definitely in favor of Chris go into to a five for if for no other reason than the weight cutting, but I don't want to speak for him. But I detected a feeling that he kind of thought that. Chris was very competitive at one eighty five and that maybe it'll be competitive with Joel five two, but that, like absent some benefit from the weight cut there wasn't a ton of other reason to necessarily do it that might be true. But I also feel like part of changing way. Classes is a bit of a branding opportunity, right? Where? How do I explain it? Like it's a new lease on life. It's, it's good for headlines. You can get the right match good at generating attention, if you're doing if on short notice, for example, you can just leap into the rankings, very high level. So, like there's just a lot of reasons. Why it may make some sense. By the way, also may not be everything that they needed to be like this idea that is going to solve all the problems. It might it might might not to right. Like I just don't. Well, we'll have to see. I just think that Luke rock hold a little bit more sense that the that the two five move will be beneficial because I think he suffered more from the white klutz, then Chris wideman, Dan, I don't know that for fact. But that's my read on things. My read is that rock hold like uniquely suffered. And then as a consequence, he's benefiting more by the change by the adjustment. So there you go. What's the word any? Right. They're trying to get them. Don't know what that's all about line that one up a few days ago. We'll see. We'll see. Okay. All right. Well, I've to tap dancer here, I suppose. Right. That's the whole idea over one hundred good Father's Day. I will say I watched a thought that the Bill to our show. I don't know why the need to put six fights on the main card but actually thought it was pretty good. I really liked it. I. I like the desk that they use. I just don't really need to go to the desk, every time I would kinda like to see it's like. Intermittently used as opposed to like every single fight you go back to the desk. But I thought that the pace was pretty good like it started at ten. I think they were done twelve thirty or nobody was closer to one still it wasn't the pace was not terrible. And you're like, well, it shouldn't be was on his own. But some of their paramount stuff has been like just takes forever. So I am going to be curious to see what happens with shale where he's commentating the show out in London and had that big his face. Now I suppose in a week it'll be much, much lower. But. I didn't see that one coming the retirement that was kind of interesting. Anyway. That's why don't you let a look good killed you Horiguchi fight against during a Caldwell. I thought I was so worried the judges we're going to watch that. Man, I thought for sure they were going to get that wrong. And they didn't they didn't. So I was very happy about that. And I like during we had them in studio like if it was a wrestling match he won right? He out wrestled him say peco and people out wrestled Bordj, but I don't think he got. I don't think he got out of that what he thought he was putting in. And I explained to folks, like how can these wrestlers think that this is, you know? This is a way to fight. Well, the answer is pretty simple. Like think about all the effort called well put into control. Somebody dude is hard. The trick is you got to control somebody on route to advancement or on route to punishment so the in their minds. They're like, I got the takedown he couldn't get back up for long periods of time. If at all till the bell rang prevented anything any offense from him or you know meaningful offense in that time. Why am I not winning? And the answer is okay. The take down the start of like, what is the practical effect of the takedown? Okay. You got him down. All right. That's fine. You changed where the fight was going. That's that's good. Maybe the takedown itself was a nice hard slam in this case. No. But okay, I'm thinking about those things like what's the practical effect? The practical effect is you're able to get a person to the Matt slash cage. Video will to hold them there. But beyond that, there wasn't a lot of, again the first round he had the gift wrapping in the elbow. But after that, there just wasn't a whole lot a whole lot to it. So they're measuring it by control an effort and degree of difficulty. And by all those measurements. What during Coldwell did was impressive. The problem is in a fight. It's just a really different consideration than a wrestling match in going back to the peak of thing. It's like you get to you get two for the take down. Now what? Right. It just puts you in an opposition. So that's what it was. The PICO thing broke my heart a little bit, obviously, once kind of talk that one to death, the Loretta fight against Larkin dash, I don't have much to say other than that's about with so much look like when they're two zero on the way to something else was fine. Dylan Danis against max. Humphry Dylan look good, again at two, and I don't have a whole lot to say about it. He's fighting terribly outmatched opposition, which I now is fine. I'll give it up to here. All right. Well. All right. Well, I don't know how many Kevin league I guess we're going to bump up the, the board interview. That's fun. That's fun. Okay. We'll see what happens all atom board, which has to say. I'd be curious to hear more about this. Look good, man. Look good. You know, the take the wrestling, okay? You can't compete with the guy who's had a huge background in wrestling. But everything else he was very competitive as you guys saw detected openings and took them. How old is this kid, by the way? He's young, right? Emma may. She is. Let's see his nickname is the kid for crying out loud. Twenty five twenty five he's got thirteen wins. Good lord. As a pressing amount of work that he has put into this already. Yes, we'll get him here in just a minute. Should we get to go there fire and him up a how are we going to get him on sell? I think we're gonna get him on sell. Yeah. Sorry about this, folks, but this is what happens in live programming. Shit just falls. Just falls, poor. I mean this, this show has aged me in ways. I can't even explain what if all you're breaking news alerts had a voice. What would that sound like it would sound like today? Explain. It's daily news podcast from vox. I'm Sean Ramos grim every day my team, and I take one essential news story. 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Let's go to him. Now. He's on the phone. The one and only Adam Boris. Hi, adam. How are you? Hey, man. I'm good. You I'm doing quite well. Well, first of all. Congratulations on the win. Let me just ask you this did that go about, like you thought it would. Yeah. Okay, what were you expecting? Sagan. I tell you what were you expecting? I thought everybody I I'm finish and I finished teams. So it's as my friend. No from from Erin PICO. What were you expecting from him? Oh to I, I know it's tried to wrestling with me because, you know, he's a he's really Tressler he's he's a champion. So, so I know it and. You know, the shore them me. And maybe it's a it's a good brand. But everybody just thought I am on on the on striking. But I'm with on the ground I, I have a speaker for this, you know, I know he, he to take them, but I was people for that. How physically strong was Aaron PICO. You know, I can tell you, I think I am the one of the strongest guy in bump force, if I in diverse, but he, he was so give us stuff. Then the maybe in the ground on the ground. I said, I, I am so not done to watch much. Maybe I've a good and then then he took took me down. I just say my energy because I team he was breathing so hard. And he was using my lex crazy and I know it can be like this team. Okay. So let's talk about the the flying knee at the end. Now you've done that before. It's something you're very good at. Why did you throw it? What did you see that made? You decide. Okay. I'm gonna throw the flying me. You know in the second ride I just feed. I okay just save energy and then I get up. I throw some kicks. And then he tried to take me down. I throw the flying the maybe I don't know. You saw now my my last flying in. Worry about at all. I the last year it was the same. So I like that. You know when against the rest of the. The flying. The I just I just waiting for the moment when you know he, he was shoot me again. Yeah, you did it in your in your fight against Tia door, Nikolov, I believe, right adults or one ninety six. Thanks. All right. So the, you had said, I believe, after the fight that you think he might be better at one hundred and thirty five pounds. Why is that? Because I think he he was short. And maybe he's in Monte five he, he can be everybody because he was really, really song. Then I think maybe he can cut more like, you know, I usually cut like twenty pounds. And maybe he didn't he didn't. He didn't do that. Well maybe we just got. I don't know maybe fifteen them on. When he accepted the fight when they made it right where you were just thinking that he was the people were not taking you, seriously, not taking you seriously enough. Yeah. I think so that's you know, maybe they everybody was over. Underrated me and I was upset because everybody was just talking about with him. And everybody was like, oh because the finish. Like like, like days and like this, so I it's okay. I always thought it added by theme, the the annoyed I am going to finish him now. You ended up with Henry hoofed, right? Yeah. Right. Try that happen. Head coach. How did that happen? Turn it does. It's the story. Seventeen my friend called me. Hey, I fly to the though in the next week. And he said me, hey, come with me. And I said, oh, I didn't have enough money at that time I had a construct with you. I see. And I said, like, oh, I don't wanna be I don't want to go with that, because, you know, he usually just somebody going to pull mutal to three and then, you know, it's usually you can chain, only it just how much guys the first time and after I, I don't know my friends in the US have me. You know, so they make you I, I would say in the in the. At tiny and often to live the professional team. And so I spent three the over that, and they said, hey man, you have to come back and became a champion. And I need to get my. Managers? So it's the first time the in the US, and they said, they have me so they do this woman jersey I can be he likes like now. Yeah. No, let's your English is great. Don't worry about it. It's interesting. So I- since you've been with them. How much better have you gotten? It's like I dunno hundred percent. I dunno. It's like double or cheaper people. I am a lot. So I was I was like just a simple striker but and I wasn't good. In, in enemy. So I mean my enemies skew says it's it's ready for everybody because aren't they and be the best? They mean the next to sixty five the best school, which is in the graduate, doing scummy bars, any Hannity hoops. So I, I can improve every day and the I can't even do everyday. So when I go back though, I just keeping the same shit. You know what I noticed in the fight, we had just talked about it on the show era era has very good take downs. But once he got you down your ability to get back up to resist control. It was very good. Really good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I have a sore relaxed it, you know, I just did it in front to lose my position like you know, just leave food. Because if, if I just leave 'em, he can use some grandpa, puns. And I was like, okay, just just be on the top, like, like, the, you know, we're going to lose the re school and throat and everything just keep three Lexcen and get up just totally. And I don't I didn't onto like crazy scramble lose by whole energy. I was just so call him and I just do the get up well you did it was amazing. What is how popular is ever may in Hungary? It's, it's not too much. But now it's crazy. You know, I I've just yesterday and hungry. And it's crazy. Everybody's just calling and text me. Everybody wants inter- you with me. How did you get into? Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. When I got airport, there was a lot of sense and the DV, and I was like calling this shit about teeth. So are you like how, how popular are you in Hungary now? I'd say he's getting ready with me. And, and I didn't know it, you know, it's, it's just every they got the better. I see my, my social media like crazy now. Like every day, just more and more sort of a lot of text message lives shares everything. I think the most book, I'm not. No, no more than before. Does your family my pen I've, I've onto to change their hunger. I went to pull the hung it on on the the word. Are you trying to be like, the you know how gust of sin is for Sweden or McGregor is for Ireland? Are you trying to do that for Hungary? Yeah. I would like to do that. By the way, does not, not just, you know, just not that they like, I don't want to use the trash talk, like know. And I wanna be I wanna stay just like you know who I am just ready. I'm and I can say you I am. I think I am the most Jairo could on the planet. I clean every day. You like who is attending them. So where do you train back in Hungary? States. Everybody. The most time I need to make. Oh, he, he, he like, not too much, and then the maybe on on in, in the Cup, the on to, but, but it's, it's like very much, you know, and that's not like a professional, but I, I leave that toll usually in the mornings session, but, like just running lifting beg and the night, I went some type of thing and enemy and, and gun gamble, and, and then some pressing by just great cool mom, you know, in Hungary's, they'll victory and one is most than the, the freestyle wrestling. So, and it it, it's so hard to find the place where I can pay like professional. So that's why I've so happy been been I moved in the Floyd though. And it was. Like all you see I can see Joe professional fight, though. Now how, how different is Florida from Hungary. Oh, it's, it's much fun. You know, I'm one of each but some people leave and in other words, so unbelievable. It's crazy of I miss my country, but, you know, I have a goal so I have to work for that. Now, does your family watch you compete? How does that work? Yeah. They, you know they they've oke up as. To to EM or or see 'em. You know, in Hungary time it was like who PM maybe or three? Not, not just my thing. He say. Say it's a lot of people was that. Does your family like I mean, because here's the thing if you're in the United States, they're fighting is an unusual career, but people do it. But from Hungary, it must be very unusual. Yeah. And, and you know my, my father was like ready? If I think, because if, if I go from injury or something she can do my, like nothing, you know, and, and that he can it but, but I thought he would be within me. Okay. So did Bill talk to you about what they might want next from you. Not yet not yet. But I hope so. It'd be in the tournament. I think I I do you want to be in the featherweight tournament. Right. I would you take a spot as an alternate. Again, let's say that they can't put you in the tournament for some reason when they can. But they can say, okay, Adam, if someone else gets injured you can step in is that, okay? Oh, oh, I know. I run annoyed to before you know, so I have like two months before have a people like like hundred percent. So I think I do that they have to put me like I need the time, like people are like I call, like a group can because it's going to be maybe every five five runs or something like this. Besides Patrizio pit bull, who is the featherweight champ. And maybe even kidding him. Do you consider your where do you think you belong, among the best featherweights and Bill tour? I don't know. I think I you know, I never thinking would be my next opponent. Maybe he's who's for me or, or not, I all of its focus on my next so plan. And I just people I would be team. So, so we have a lot of. In my division. Like like I mean like AG Mckee, but who ran? Dan, COPD boo. And more guys. But I think. So nobody view. Nobody harder than me. Oh, I mean be confident. Let me ask you a couple more questions about Erin. If I can for just a second, some people, some people here are saying, oh, he's career will never recover. He's it's done. Do you believe that? I don't think so, man, he's a he's such a good guy and very talented very technical. Hey and people forget, you know, but haven wrestling champion and not too many people can say that both himself and I do the fact that he has boxing gloves. And I, he looks very nice guy. And I just the re go team. You know, he's a harder or through, and, and he's so motivation I sorta in off the fight because, you know, you never talk, she's with me. And I like that. I, I mean just you need the summarize and maybe the high post too much for him, you know, because he looks like crazy high. Did you did you talk to him, you know pressure maybe three hundred four the pressure? Maybe did you talk to him backstage after the fight. I tried but was. He wasn't able to. But I just said him. Hey, you'll become back and you ought to boot fighter. I said, just off to the fight like this. Yeah. Well, I, I, I see him on Instagram labor. Why we show vast equally. Would fight that was pressure to share the cage. Well, Adam, and by the way, can you pronounce your last name force is it's born? Rich. Yeah. You say that. Hung gedeon. All right. I'm an honorary Hungarian for the day. How about that? I can take that congratulations. Adam phenomenal win phenomenal win. You should be very proud and enjoy time at home. I guess you'll be back in Florida before no time. Yeah. I come back in July eighteen. Yeah. All right. Very good. Congratulations. Thank you for your time out of. Thank you so much. Guys out on board all the way from, I guess. Budapest. Or. Wherever the hell Hungary, he is. All right. Danny, what's the deal with Mr Lee? All right. So let's do this solicitous. They're trying to. Yeah. They're trying to wrangle him. I don't know where he is. So for the time being if we can't get them, maybe we can't fingers crossed knock on wood. Let's go to the sound off now. This is Karen wisher. I wanna tell you about my podcast Rico decode every week, we have candid in depth conversations with people like Elon Musk Nancy Pelosi and Kathy Griffin. We talk about how they got to where they are today, and how their work is changing our world. New episodes of Rico decode are released every Monday and Wednesday. And we often have bonus episodes on Friday. Subscribe for free to be the first to hear them on apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast app. All right. Go to my friend Danny here. Areas. Go to himself. Are you sir? I'm here reasonable reasonably not hung over today. No, I'm fine are very good. I actually had a good sleep last night. I did to whatever I come to New York. My wife takes the full shift of the kid and my kid is seven weeks old Saturday last three nights has slept through the night, bro. Can you believe it? I don't know doctors like wake him up so they can eat every three hours, bro. No, no show. Just get an extra few ounces on all the other meals, I'm not doing that. That's good. Doctor watching go after self. I'm not fixing a good weekend. Yes. Yeah. Good weekend. Just super-busy obviously covering Bill to twenty two. I thought that the pace it was pretty good. I thought it was a great event again. I saw it. You were there. Yeah. I didn't see it through does own. But I thought the fights themselves were really good at the quality was prettier the crowd seemed into it. It was a good night for about. All right. Very good solicitous, how the calls my friend. Very good calls were very excited to hear it. So why don't you just take it away? You lead the ship here, maestro. All right. Let's do it. Well, a lot of storylines coming out of Bill to, to twenty two. But I think the following is the biggest. You. Tell me lewke, Jake for more Morgan Cohen on the somber matter, the great shale piece on. Retires undefeated, hold of multiple titles in multiple weight classes admired across not just our nation. But the world what you thoughts on it will, and then they as a sport recover, and if so, how long will it take? Thanks, man. Yeah. The greatest of all time. Yes. Certainly he is not what is chills. Legacy boys complicated. Very he is something of an overachiever. He is a guy. I think the way I think about him Danny on about you, I think of him as somebody who. Maximized every opportunity imaginable, with every tool in the tool shed, whether that was timing was it that was his outright ability, whether that was his ability to sell a fight and promote and become a certain kind of character. I think you have to include the fact that also through performance enhancing drugs. So some of these are by Lissette. Somebody's or by illicit means, but either way in the end he ended up being incredibly adored, although for a time he was not, I'm folks, I remember time in MMA when he was very polarizing but not so much the case anymore. But to me, that's who he is. He is a guy that tried to find every rung on the ladder to get to the top. And I don't think he got quite as far as he wanted to. But all you can ever ask is if somebody just rings, the sponge dry and he did. Yeah. I think his legacy is that you can be a very, very successful fighter when most successful fighters intimate without. Earning title without earning a world time. Interesting. I think he that's cold comfort for them, though. He's he's, he's been the main event of every card. He's fought in for the last, you know, or at least, you know. This top two. Yeah. Or at least combing event? But definitely like one of the bigger fights on the card. She always fought the best if you just quote on his resume tes ridiculous. The competition ninety five he'd never got a step down in competition. Never refused to fight, and, you know, he, he became a star in the sport. And I think you know he did all that without ever holding a title. And I think that's important. I think you know, your brand the way you present yourself the way you carry yourself it can take you pretty far in the sport. You don't necessarily need the title to, to be successful people. Always talk about Vitor as the poster child for to your tea, and then what subsequently happened. Here's my theory on this, because this is true, the and I'm not going to go on some ranch. Just hear me off for second just trying to make an honest point the entire history of anti-doping tied to media, backlash and hysteria in terms of the growth of organizations in the development of ideas. So like water came out with there's a pushback, all kinds of international organizations were create. When the media piled on some kind of scandal. T was our scandal. And it was when there was pushback to it that you had. You've see decide to go with you Sada a big part of that is what's on, and did where these guys were like I need this to control till to compete, I need this to live. I need this for health. And you know, let's be honest, everyone was kind of wink, wink nudge, nudge. They didn't really need it. But they were claiming they needed a big part of the reason why we, have you thought it, it's not strictly, of course, silence issues all kinds of guys using it. But I would actually argue he was a pretty big reason in terms of media visibility for why the media turned on. And then we now have our current situation. Yeah. He was also one of the few people have managed to turn their career around from from that type of situation deal with with, you know, the backlash from the media backlash from the fans because, you know. When was the last time I mean, when was the last time you like these kind of things got brought up as far as like, you know, failing drug tests in, in whatnot in his career. Like every like that kind of got putting in Metairie something every other my fighter whose failed a drug test virtually a name them. They get real bitter. When you bring it up. Jail was open and honest about it. And I think the fans like okay we forgive you. There's a bunch of other Jubran. He's right now who I could name, I've like I've mentioned before filling drug tests, and then I've had a couple of them, confront me about them like what he wanted to do. When did not mention the fact that there's a fact of your existence that you feel drug. I'm, I'm sympathetic as anybody about you fail in a drug test. And you wanna get my grill about it. Okay show was so up front about it is that you didn't even need to ask him about it. He'd bring it up himself. You know. And he was always very honest, as far as you know, that matter a went and. Yeah. Feel like you know it's part of why it never got really brought up again. Because he answered all the questions, you know. So I've never once you do that then. What else is there to bring bring up? Let's say about this. I would love to know what Anderson Silva, and John Jones think about him. Yeah. I would love to know that their version is the correct version or that are versions the correct version. But I would like to hear. There's because the media is kind of like uncle trail elder statesman. That's fine. I don't really have a problem with it, but they might have a different one. I don't know. I'd like to hear it. Yeah. Also wonder how much? How much success you know is is a tribute to the backlash because like John Jones's champion right now. Let's say chill son would have been destroying everybody just ruled over belts where I wonder if these things would have came up again. Whereas it because he had a couple setbacks, maybe people kind of auto the scarred. Just remember when he got fired from Fox Sports, when all the test came back positive, and to look at him. Now, it's like what an incredible imagery ESPN unbelievable. So all right. There you go. I let's talk about one of the major title fights that went down a bell through to. Joe at a south Florida when guarding Laurie MacDonald. Do we think that fight against John? She was just having a bad then pulled that camp. 'cause he looked perimeter against 'immigration. What are your thoughts? Let me know this. I any. I think you were you're very skeptic of ROY McDonald entering this fire. Very skeptical of where he was that mentally. 'cause like Phil earned baller. Yeah. But I mean me watching that fight that looked like a world class fighter out their Neiman Gracie undefeated, the dudes, no joke, and it was one thing if you know, ROY McDonald manage to stuff is take downs, and then it was just a standup battle. And he won. There you go. Okay. Well, we know that Gracie, although very complete fighter that's not where he shines best, but Gracie took him so ground mounted him at one point, and ROY was able to fight that off. He got he got dragged into the deep waters. He got dragged into literally the worst position, you can be with Gracie that is mounted or survive Acura. Yeah. Why think he did have his back a one point yet, both Oakland's I think we, I think it won't point he did. And she was able to fight off in look, he's not the same ROY McDonald in the sense of like he's this angry guy that's out there, you know, sort of like this. Beast. But the one we have now is still pretty darn good man. Plus fighter, and I don't think the way to win just sort of pick. I picked him thought he wasn't gonna win. Yeah. I don't think he needs to rage to, to, to be as good as he can be. Let me see how about goes against Douglas lane with a second time. That's going to be the true test. So I'll say, I'll say this. You're right against most opposition, I'll dial back a little bit of my, my skepticism because he definitely looked like a guy in-command didn't panic worked. You could see him working through solution to wind up wanting to win all great signs, but there wasn't a lot of physical damage that he took. And that's been the one thing I've been wondering about in the Masasi fighting more particularly the Stephen Thompson, and then really the Lawler fight. What happens if Douglas Lima puts it on them physically puts it on them? Yeah. Will you then have the will to continue back, the answer is listen to what I'm saying? I am not saying no but I feel like I need to see it before I believe it. See. You're saying, no no, I'm saying. I don't know. What's wrong with saying, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. We don't know. That's the reality, but he's Lima's. Let me ask you, do you watch the first Lima McDonnell? Yeah close. But I thought you can make a case for Lima. But I thought Rory one. Yes. Yeah but Lima put it on a little bit there. I mean going into the final round it was kind of up in the air and what was the key about that? He had to dig deep ROY. And he did it to him. But I think has gotten better since then he has. So now it's an interesting question. So now it's an interesting question very interesting. Yeah, I guess we'll, we'll wait and see what happens. But nonetheless, I do think this is a hurdle that he passed. I feel yes. I agree with that. I'm a lot more confident than him entering a fight now than before she's not frail, and it's not fragile these tough as nails and smart. And still, obviously very good. I just wanna see what happens when somebody physically puts it on them. Could he rally like he did? And other occasions. Yeah, that's why I want to find out if you look at your right? Yeah. I let's talk about the. Other title fight that went down on that court. Hey, loop paid any hope you're doing. Well, when I'm snick recording this in Gothenburg Sweden big enough. The show and I just wanna know your opinion on two statements regarding the Bella tra- fight between cugiharu Gucci and area and Caldwell. I couldn't help seeing that it wasn't so much recruit. She who won the fight, even though I feel he's the rightful winner. It was more Caldwell who lost to fight a string quite well in defeat and just holding down didn't really do doom. Any favors is that fair to say are my, my seeing this the wrong way and two second statement is this win may Carucci, degrade, his Japanese fighter of all time love to hear an answer to those two statements have a great day guys. Bye. Like this guy works at NPR's. Coming to you live from our WMU eighty eight five stations. Yeah. I would say, okay, second question. He's pretty clearly. The best Japanese fighter of all time. I don't think he's the most important or celebrated that would clearly belong to belts. Right. So that would clean as well. But I'm saying, like, like, how do you weigh he'll sheet a gold medalist from judo like these incredibly important people who also fun pride or because she's Raba who you know, was part of the Toby, boom? And all that kind of stuff like there's a lot of different pieces. There suck Raba was a superstar pity on motives superstar who don't know. Imagine hulk HOGAN in his prime popularity and imagine that, dude, also fought Emma. May that's what she cycle Roba's. We're not talking about greatest where those kind of things are best. Yeah. He's the best. Yeah. I think so I mean do think about it for a time. You had plenty of lifelong. Are you kidding me? These guys at American top team. They're like you don't even understand how good this guy's. He's fast and he's smart. He makes quick like it's one thing to be physically quick. It's another one to make quick decisions that your body can act on east clever clever. Did he looked tired in the fifth round even a little bit nothing? And I think it's big that he's coming up from flight way because there's a clear there was a clear size advantage between him and, and Darren called will. And I feel like that's you know, not not having to kill his body to one thirty five. Definitely attributes twist cardio. I agree with that. And certainly it any events. He's definitely the best one in terms of like coal will lose the fight. Yeah. Man. Like I talked about. I wonder how you felt like I think what call was telling himself was killed us. Not doing anything while I'm down there and I'm the one who put him there. Yeah. In the end that has to count for something. But practically it just it does come for something. Just not enough. Just not enough. Also gonna say about during call. I really liked the guy if you ever watched him wrestle in college, it was he was just a fee nom. I'm not seeing enough development. And his game. Man. I need to see another step up in the striking this step up in the guard passing in the ground and pound. Yes. It's not enough. Yeah, yeah. It was. That was what we fight. I was watching it. I was also, you know, tweeting and I was doing a few other things for work. So I wasn't catching, you know, I wasn't just solely focused on the fight, and I think I tweeted something from the fighting come go. I think I think Gucci needs a Finnish year entering this last. Oh, yeah. Hundred. But you, you know, looking back now like it was clear who was in control. Call the was dictating where the fight was at, but Horiguchi was the one that was always on tack, and I think, ultimately, that's what one of the fight. And yeah, I think with Caldwell he was in positions to win the fight. He just, for example, just stood there. And I mean, that's just kinda just control them and held them there. And just took elbows and punches. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I think, you know, somethings get interesting, as far as the grappling lake sure, but like the ground and pound was there. I don't know why he just did it in the knack, debated. It'd be a good question to ask. It's hard to control. And to throw at the same time it takes Matt. Pinned like his legs were pinned full accusing back up against the fence. It's going to be hard to him. That's going to be very hard to at least meaningful grounded bound, but watching that fight weren't you. Glad a little bit. And I I'm not saying, I'm glad that Darren loss, but I'm glad that the judges saw the fight the way they saw. Oh, because it says something about sort of the development development sport in the way, we're like analyzing it, because it was clear that will reduce you was the one trying to do the most damage and doing the most damage in that fight. I mean look, I, I was tweeting before like off these judges are gonna miss yet because I just knew there were, and they didn't. I was like Douglas Crosby was one of the judges, I was like, oh, Douglas is about to give us the old okeydoke here but he didn't. So in the end, you're right. But I still believe I don't know if you agree with this. But maybe you do we don't, if that had been judged under one or pride rules. Or the fight is judged as a whole Joji would have been the easy winter. Yeah. I sweated it because of the ten nine months system. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And the top control, you know. Because it usually means a lot for, for some, some North American ones. Yeah. I will discuss Erin peco's loss against Adam Boris a weird man. Lukens any this is Adam from Queen. There were a lot of fights Friday night. But I have to ask about Eric PICO, Scott Coker, said, he's not giving up on PICO, just wondering what you think is actually next for him. Right. Things guys love the show by. Him, somebody pulled off of Bumfights. They better, give him somebody. He can. Absolutely. Demolished like that's the setup that's called building talent. That how folks that is how the sausage is made. You take somebody who's got some promise and you give him somebody who probably doesn't Adam board, clearly has promise. They were giving him a guy from he's leading from any Li camp. Yeah. Who made that call who made that call? I cannot believe they agreed to that. Yeah, this. I asked him that I asked him like do you not wanna be babied into this career? Like, why are you taking all these fights and people gave me a, an interesting answer that kind of wasn't expecting? He's like, oh, it's, you know, talk to the matchmaker Stockton matchmakers. But then he went on to say, like, look, I know I know for factor, offering these type of fights to people my, my experience level, and they're not taking they offer those fights with me against, you know, very experienced people and they're not even taking. So, we'll makes you think guy that's like, you know, one and two or two and three or whatever is gonna take a fight with me. And I think that brings up an interesting point. But there's gotta be a way man. There's gotta be a way to get these Seattle fight them. There's a guy on the regional seen Lloyd. Loyd dylan. Dan? This is a really good fighter in the sense of like his jujitsu background, like you know, he super legit as far as that goes in and he's getting fights. Yeah. Here's the, you know, I know they're not different. Yeah. Fighters. They don't want to fight him dot dot dot at a certain price. Maybe you don't wanna overpay. I do not believe for second. They can't find the right talent to fight him even for moderate price. I just I'm sorry. I know. I know. I'm sure I am not saying people don't turn them down. I don't believe you ever seeing that the Jif will Ferrell. I don't believe you. That's me. I don't believe you. I don't believe that I'm not saying that Aaron's. Not tell the truth, you probably is, again, people, I'm certain are turning down fights. That's not a reason to give him out a mortgage. Yeah, look at the alternative. This is better. This is what you wanted a guy who has all the ability in the world at a sitting four and three. This is the this is the optimal outcome. Clearly clearly it's not it's a very frustrating thing to watch. Because if you look at any fighter, that's, you know, six seven fights into career. There's a clear difference between Erin PICO and somebody that has that many fights era people's really, really good. You just watch any of his fights even defeats. He's doing some things that a lot of people that would have his record wouldn't be able to do is just, he's doing it again, guys that are so experienced like what, what out on board. Did that flying knee? A guy that's fights in is not going to be able to do that. You know what I'm saying? So you're exposing Erin PICO two things that he's never seen before. And he's frankly, not ready for not because he's not good because he's inexperienced. So he should be fighting guys that are, you know, close to his record in his frustrating, moso com nine is just like not. He's overrated media hype them up. He's got no chin. You know, he's not what you thought you know media did hype about? Yeah. Of course, for reason. I mean, look at his record look at what he did to Leandre go, you know what I'm saying, but he clearly needs a step on incompetent. The thing that people keep doing, like he's got no chin as the explanation. Do you take that Sean guys take bombs, and then the reaction is can't take a shot? Not that one. Yes. A flying each. Yes. Yes. They can't take a MOAB straight to the jaw. Yes. You're right. They cannot get him. He didn't. He didn't survive a flying Neil. What's wrong? Do are y'all. Are you all? This is not the same thing with sage turns out sage had his whole ship broken. And they're like, oh, right. Like, maybe that's not there. Yet, it's kind of a hard punch it, even I went back and I watched, just I watch the Corrales fire just to make sure dude, he was standing there, trading and Corrales was going to the right side and PICO wasn't addressing it at all. I don't even think notice it was coming if you take a shot that you don't see coming. It's going to hurt in a really bad way. Am I saying he's got the world's best chin? Maybe not that necessarily. But, like I know means a week, right? Yeah. But as this, the reason why he's losing because he just can't take any, I've seen guys who can't take punishment. It's very different very different. I don't mean to besmirch it. But one of the guys who was like this was a guy by the name of Jonathan Goulet Jonathan Goulet was a French Canadian UFC fighter four time, some of the more you have very talented martial artist. Take shot was not one of his better. But if things I guess, is he no gara- is, is, is an PICO Noguera. Okay. He's not. No garra. But this I. Well, he just can't get it right again. I don't believe you. I don't believe you. Yeah. Yeah. It's very frustrating situation. I would like to see them take some time off stage Jackson wins because I did see a difference in game planet feel like strategy wise. He came in. He was fighting lots mortar stores, the middle level to this. Yeah, yeah. The medical thing where he's just doing the same thing over and over again. He's like, make people react think, and get confused. You know, who's really good at that Corey sand. Hagen Corey San Hagen is extremely good about making you look this way. And I'm the shark comes this way. He's very, very gifted at that for sure I will about his opponent. I feel like most of the talk leaving that match was about Aaron PICO. But let's not forget the winner. The guy who just had the show. Hi. This is more bullish clue from Budapest. Bill tool to twenty two sore. Erin, PICO matched up against Adam bridge with the lead up the sun, the Hungarian almost completely, and actually an PICO as well. Obviously, what's your take on barrages ability? And about the heights. He can ascend to in his division was his win a fluke, all how you would go. Thanks again. For doing great jump, and come. Visit someday. Yeah. For sure by me tick. Okay. First of all, that guy had to be a pro broadcaster. Right. Yeah. That quality that was ridiculously better quality to our show is okay. So was a fluke. Absolutely not. I just went through, and showed you like every small hole that peco was leaving it was like, oh, you're like, well, PICO didn't control enough. So therefore boards got out. You have to recognize the opening, and then you have to recognize what to do about it. If you think, like, for example, if I took someone off the street and I had a blue or purple belt, control them that blue in a purple belt is not going to have the same kind of control, as let's say the recent you have see Saini adult Vieira. They're going to miss things. They're not gonna have as tight control. Is that person off the street going to know what to do? There's going to sit there and get destroyed by some by some purple belt. They're gonna get mounted and then choked out or, or whatever arm broken. But that doesn't mean you had the exact same level of control. There was a dip there. So my point being is. It's yes, there might have been some pieces to peco's game missing in the application, but board recognized all of them and reacted to all of them. Now have there been someone like Habib on top of them maybe would have been a bit of a different story, but I thought he actually looked really good. And again, he's had multiple flying Nikkei owes at this point. So that's not an accident either. He's good. Very good. Yeah. And yeah. And he's only twenty five men and he's at a great camp. I think he could be like something big for were in the next couple years. Twenty five years old is nothing nothing healthy. You know, man. And I wonder how big it can be been to Budapest. Never or good things who Depeche nice for democracies have a little trouble with old Victor Orban. But, but yeah. No, I I there's nothing fluky about it now. Yeah. How good is relative to the top of that division? I don't know. I would love to see him in the tournament. I think it'd be great if he was there pretty. He's also pretty big. Like if you saw him in person compared to people he was a lot bigger. Jesus goes, how big would you say, for one, the forty five on the small size because he's I'm whereabout like the same size as far as like always. He's all more muscular than I. But yeah, yeah. He case you didn't know. As far as body frame. Like we're about the same high. You know that sort of the same size in, in, in that regard in when I talked to him. He seemed a little parched. He's he was he was having trouble with the way cut. So or I don't know. No, no, PICO PICO. Yes. So it was kind of weird, because it's like I feel like you should be making this not comfortably. But, you know. Right. Bora was cutting twenty pounds right? Yes. Boy, the fresher fighter, but, you know, I don't know weird. All right. A couple more of these. Yeah, yeah, let's do it. So something interesting that came out of that whole fight week was, first of all, just across promotion in general, and then Scott Coker had a few things to say. So let's discuss that. Hey, Luke, Danny Mito from Washington township, New Jersey how he's doing the question here for you. So recently shockers an interview and said that he wouldn't be opposed to Bill to verse UFC that nothing just wondering who would be your top pick for a main event. What would be the most interesting, and your guys opinion for about three or fighter? And. UFC. Flirter. Thank you show wanna know where us what you think about this. All right. By the way. Yep. Scott Coker being like. Yeah, I would love to do it. You know, let's do it. Yeah. Sort of like me being like, yeah, I would love to win the lottery. You know what I mean? Like I'd look you know what I mean. I, I'd love to be a movie star. I'd like to do a lot of things. There's just not gonna happen. So it's, it's not going to happen. Okay. You wanna bet everything I own. It doesn't happen in my lifetime. Well up this way, as long as Danna whites at the UFC doesn't happen. Yeah. So that's the issue. Yeah. Now if he leaves foof fantasy matchup. That's an interesting one I would say. Pit bull versus Patricio. Pit bull versus max hollow is kind of interesting. Yeah. That's a good one. If own. What do you think? I mean with. Yeah. That's a good one. I think with the change. Yeah. With the whole bantamweight conversation, why not? You know, so who tow Horiguchi? How has a great one? I think the winner there, you could easily say they're the beltway Horiguchi could win that one tube or don't think he couldn't and the winner there is the best bantamweight at the moment. Yeah. Yeah. No doubt about it. Yeah. W great one. That's a really great one while. That'd be it. Also. Are you curious for Ryan Bater DC kind of? No, no, no. That one seems fairly straightforward to me. No. I would favor DC heavily, but I feel I feel much different about this matchup. Now, then, when Bater was in the UC, Scher, baiters Hansel with iota. Do you think he'd beats Liotta in the rematch? That's the big one. That's, that's another question that they asked. So what was it for later on the what else they don't Kevin Lee? He hasn't replied, which is usually he's grit with, with getting back to people. But the. Hasn't gone back to me. So I guess let's just give it a few more minutes in was. That's fun. Yeah. Six to my Monday bra. What can you been in this business since two thousand six what I'm saying, look at me? Now, I've got a studio show, how much bigger does my career need to get before this doesn't happen. You know what I'm saying? Is it always happens that every level could be instant kind of miscommunication, could I'm sure it's totally innocuous, Kevin Lee. But I'm just saying, like how many how many times like? I gotta be, you know, I got be a show on NBC or something you're gonna have tonight show wonder, you got a real quiet when I asked that question. What is that? Nothing. What can we do? We question weird thing. It's a weird thing. I don't know why cats fighters man. Yeah. It's weird. And I mean, Kevin as I said, Kevin's never flaky or anything like that. I'm sure being standing I'm just saying. I just keep wondering how I escalate through the levels, and that aspect of trying to get fighters on your show never changes it, never changed. So it's just a fact of existence. All right. Let's do some more calls. All right. Speaking of hoodoo and the bantamweight division. This was a bit of an interesting question for me. It's an easy answer. But I don't know if you feel any different. So. Hey, Luke, this is d my from south writing Virginia Tilley. I just wanted to know your opinion on who had a better win streak Henry Fudo or destined poor ya. I don't really have a take but let me know your thoughts. I'd say destined Pori yet, but that's a tough one relay what he's from chantilly old. Drab Tilly people know about Dr Tilly in DC. God. All right. So look, I don't think it's win question. Mariah schwinn is unbelievable. And it's probably better than any of the winds that Dustin has. But he asked about the win streak. Yep. So the DJ fight you can make a case he didn't lose. The for he lost. He lost because I know a lot of people think DJ one this close then you have the one against TJ which was impressive but short. So it's hard exactly what to know. So that's those two interesting. The marash fight is just like the most legit. I, I don't think doesn't has one legit as that. But in beating Pederson and stopping him and then and then stopping gay cheat, and then Alvarez and then now this with Holloway, that's the to me, that's a better four fight body of work. You have to be honest yet angry. I think if you look at individual fights, due to beating Dmitri's Johnson, especially at that moment in his career that was that was big beating teach Diller shies big. But if you actually, you know, string those together because who'd also has, and I'm not trying to be like this Beijing, but who'd also has Windsor. So your pet is, who's a very good fighter wasn't Hayes was very good fighter. But I mean dust employees you just go down the line in his studs. You know, back to back, so for me is important, but I will say that's Huda win over. Marash is bay is so goddamn impress. So impressive awakeness above two is ridiculous. Is staying out, you know, we'll see what happens but yeah, I know what you mean by to beat Mirage the way he did that was extremely impressive. Exact really impressive so that one win is better. But I don't know. Yeah. For sure next. Will you brought up so intermit- cheetah? Let's see was up. I look, Danny Jordan jank calling from Gainesville, Florida been a while you guys are doing well might gillians. I sorta. How do you guys feel about Machida against Bater is a wash? I personally feel like it's just not a good match up kind of at all. I feel like for the auto and he's one of my absolute favorite biters, not easy to say this. I'm just trying to about. You got Bill. Thank God you wonder stand, what he means by that. Leo to knock them out in the first one. Yeah nobody feels like Leo's older. Now is older now. We we've seen him lose before. After that my baiter fight to Ulta rhino. So he. Well, he lost the Phil Davis, lost the Chris wideman than he had that bad losing streak of Rockall. You'll Romero Derek Brunson. And then since he hasn't lost. So I do feel like. When beta fought Machida that might have been prime Michio look at probably favor Bater at this point, but Machida still pretty crafty. He's pretty smart. He's preserved them so son. And he looked really good. I don't know if, if it came across to you the same way on TV or does own streaming away, but I feel like he looked better than those best performance in the last, you know, three, four years like he was quick. I mean, maybe it's something about the opponent as well. But he looked really good. Man machine is far from wash. He looked great. I thought he looked great. You know, I think baiters different cookie than. Yeah. Of course, obviously he can wrestle folks who didn't pay attention since that Rashad fight Bater has showed incredible striking. Remember he didn't take a single punch in the entire heavyweight grand prix. It's ridiculous. What he can do he can still wrestle as well. I don't think it's physically stronger than Machida. So is interesting matchup, like I don't have existentialist dread or something. For machecas chances. I just think little just probably faded favor baiter. Yeah. But, but do you think betas, go near just mopped the floor with them? I may maybe he does he. That's not like I don't know. It's not like it's not like. Dylan dance versus max Humphry. Really, you know how long how much punishment is maximum. Take before the call it a day. I don't quite see it like that. I think it's pretty competitive and it wouldn't surprise me at all. If little picks up a win there, but I'd favor baiter slightly. But look what she does very loose. You'll do those flying knees against son in, when when have we throw flying knees like that in his career. I don't remember I'm sure he has, I can't I just I don't remember that was a bit of a new. This is name if I don't mention it on air. I'm gonna lose my goddamn mind. It's the guy talked about who was more silica who, so nice from BJ fanatics. Do you know who I'm talking about what is his name? Mateos DC is news. God. We're Nardo Fara, Bernardo Fara. That's the guy. Bernardo. Fara? Oh my Lord, one time show, me how to do shoulder pressure years, maybe five years ago, steadily bro. I thought my jaw was gonna go shooting out of my face. Face. It was so painful, he looked at me. You don't put it on a fire. He's bald. He's a multi block about world champion. He always smiles. He never stops smiling and he looked at me after I do my job seriously hurt. I was in tremendous pain, and he lets go and I was like that was really bad. He's like Yemen, if it doesn't hurt you're not doing it right. And just kept on smiling. He was so happy about it. So that's when I talk about, like you got to control them like that, you know. Bernardo. But hey, I'm all in for mitchum. Who'd you rather what we have sheet five for the Belton middleweight or heavy? Preference. Well, I guess he was fighting baiter he's fighting more intrigued, and Machida beta than. Have you? But I guess. Yeah. Yeah. Heavy. Yeah. And then mossy has a title fight this coming weekend against rough elva to win two. Let's do one more. And then I guess if Kevin lease now here, we can just go and commit ritual suicide. All right. Sounds like a plan to I'll let you pick. Let's see we got. What do you think is the most useful successful martial art in may? What happens if Pouria wins? Home Nunez, break them was poor. You. Hi, this is David from Tampa. I was wondering if you know, alternate. Just import rate beats could be. Do you think Conor 'cause defy dozen or still goes after could be? So here's my thought on that. I know alternate universe. I think look, I think the odds are not in favor of Pouria. But I think you could potentially put anybody who thinks Pouria has no chance to win the crazy again could be is your rightful favorite fun. Yes, I've very much take seriously dust employee as a business threat. You'd be foolish not to. So I think that hubby gets an immediate rematch. He'd be losing his title. She'd be losing his title in the first defeat of his career. There's no way that run that back. And yeah here's the thing, you'll think Conor can stick in there. And then you know kind of his chances against poor. You keep in mind that he has a win over him. And then if he does win, then you can potentially get a, you know, poor year could be two or McGregor had this. I have a feeling that if Dustin wins, it's not gonna be the things where he stops all the take downs. And then just knuckles him into the dirt. Yeah, I have a feeling that it's. To be back and forth with controlling him and getting into advantageous spots, and really hurting. Dustin destined finding a way to hang on, and then rocking him in this going on for round after round in which case either guy would be able to claim all with a few adjustments. I can feel when win this versus. Let's say doesn't want in there and just obliterated him like made him look like an amateur will then you could say, all right. Well, there's no, like in the case for St. pavers DC, my whole point about this was, yes. The fame element didn't work in your favorite 'cause you explicitly rejected it, but more to the point. Let's the fight was signed in January had entire seasonal fighter. You fought in July June July. Whatever was six months later, and you've got beaten side around, what is the case for a rematch? There is none. You can make another one outside of it winning fighter in the division champion. But like inside what happened in that octagon. There is no case for a rematch at all. Yeah. Okay. So imagine he does something like that. Then the Connor sweepstakes, get a little bit more interesting. But I. Have a feeling that even Dustin wins could be was gonna take a pound of flesh from him. No matter what. Yeah. I think so too. It's got to be a back and forth. I mean I it's always possible that she could just get starched but I don't think so. I think I think Pouria and I think Paul knows that I think you know, entering the gays you fight. He said something like you know, I know I'm gonna leave a piece of myself in there. I feel like he probably feels the same way about it with the, you know. All right. Let's call that a day. So we are officially on the no, Kevin -ly interview bandwagon here. Yeah. I mean no. No reply, no reply. So unlike him, I know very, very we wonder what happened there. See if you can figure that out limited okay. Yeah. For sure hope. Everything's okay. That's all right. Well, thank you very much. More calls keeps it into Danny, by the way, the Email. You heard him the hour, vox media dot com. Keep calling eight four four eight six six two four six eight. Sorry about some of the programming changes. We appreciate you guys watching, and it's next time stay frosty.

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The MMA Hour: Episode 485 (w/ Adam Borics)

The MMA Hour with Ariel Helwani

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The MMA Hour: Episode 485 (w/ Adam Borics)

"You're listening to the media podcast network. It is Monday, June seventeenth two thousand nineteen and this is the hour. Everyone welcome. My name is Luke. Thomas. I am the host of this program. Thank you so much for joining me. I greatly appreciate it. Let's see fund show plan to day we're going to recap all the action from billet or to twenty two. The good the bad, the ugly and everything in between, to help us, do that at one o'clock, he was the big winner in the air and PICO fight Adam borsch will be here. Just prior to that to talk about the news that he is not going to be training with Peraza hobby. I find this very interesting. Kevin league you have see lightweight turn welterweight. We'll be here. Plus, you Susan, you will be my guest not want to different ways as always, I would the tweets went around. The tweets happens with the hashtag the enemy our keeps sending those, please house, appreciated when you do and as well. And a particular to that, we're having a nice little long segments on your calls on the sound off. Eight four. Four four eight six six two four six eight. So international callers the hour at FOX media dot com. Okay. Hope everyone had a great weekend. Happy fathers day belatedly to everyone. I had my first Father's Day as a father got to tell you. It's pretty fun. At least it was for me. So I want to thank my family for taking care of your hope your family took care of you hope you guys were thinking all the dads out there. Yeah. Let's do some tweets. Let's do a rounded them tweets about that. All right. There we go. Rory has looked fresh in his stand up. And I didn't realize how nasty has BJ was he out gravelled Gracie? He did not outgrow Gracie. My question though is that lead leg? How do you think he does in the Lima rematch? And will he find a way to protect the leg? Let me say this one more time he did well to nullify some of the grappling of Gracie, he did not in any way out grapple him. That'd be just be very clear about that Gracie out grab him not enough to win the fight, but you're asking, who's got better to just do Neiman, Gracie bio mile okay, that lead leg. I don't know. Because if you watch the first fight Lima gave him tons of problems with it, and it's something that he has had a bit of an issue with sense. I suspect Lima's going to get after it, man. Next. What's your best advice, your dad ever gave you? Jesus, y'all don't even know who my dad is, how do I explain this one? Don't be a failure. That's been told to me before. Yeah, I don't. I mean, my dad's helped me a lot, don't get me wrong, but terms of like super, solid inspiring hallmark card advice. He ain't the guy next. What exactly does horrid Gucci's win means for Bella Tor? It's not great for their champions, to lose to other champs seems like it would devalue them in terms of skill also since we're Gucci's only obligated to defend once per year. What does that mean for one hundred thirty five pounds number one, you might see your first interim title in dilatory? So keep that in mind. But what does it do for built or look Bill tour took a risk? But don't you wanna see them take a risk, by the way, Horiguchi is still there Bella torch champs? So in some ways they get to own the winner and I'm using the word own here in quotations. No matter what actually kind of like that. He's been put in that position. And that these, these organizations took their risk it. Yeah. Like you, would you would rather see Caldwell mature into the talent that he is. But it took a risk and Horiguchi came out on top. And they still get the benefit of calling him the champ. And then him defending if he doesn't offend enough, I suppose, that's an issue. But I actually think this is a win for all the parties more. So for Reisen. Yes and more civil Gucci. But Bill tour comes out of here. A little bit of a little bit to hang their hat on next. Do you think she'll center will ever be inducted into the hall of fame depends on the wing? Depends on the wing. He's been around long enough to be part of the pioneer wing, which people don't realize but I don't know. I don't know probably, they'll find a way to get them in one way or the other maybe through like the Anderson, Silva fight or some other wing. But I suspect, they will I suspect they will next. How marketable do you think? Amanda nunez. Just go on drudge are fit. Like you could have made a good video package covering both for pride twenty nineteen. But they missed the boat on that one outside of Brazil. How would you think you'll see can promote them? I don't know. I mean look, the UFC has some kind of a odd posture towards Rum's on Kadurov and his fighters. They've never answered what they about for that they've never explained why there was that one other shows and was he invited. I don't know if he was he wasn't or wire okay was signing. These guys who come from a team with a guy related to these issues that they sell shirts that say we are all fighters is a glib response to it. So, like how much do they care? I dunno judging by their actions. But to me, selling t shirts doesn't tell you a whole lot probably could be more with both of them. But probably, I think it's a little bit unrealistic to expect either of them to be enormous American stars. So could they do more? Yes. But still have some temperatures petitions next. Given the questions arising from recent fights in the UFC. And Bill toward, you think it would be who've either organization to establish their own in house development promotion. They kind of already have you have seaside UFC already seems to be trending in this way with the new PFI's and some of the other programming. Yeah. You have there was this New York Times article in there like the US's not investing in the future of the sport. I'm like, well, there's plenty of criticisms to make the UFC that ain't one of them, they do a lot to promote the next generation where by the way, contender series starts tomorrow, and then tough. And then what they're building in China and Mexico with the performance institutes like. Yeah, but Bella tour Bill towards different because both are situated to sign people who would ordinarily be competing on the regional scene, and then give them that kind of treatment. But again, I don't think they're best situation for that either next. With all the talk about whether Jiang deserves title shot on our people overlooking the actual up I don't really expect just go to come home with about. Yeah. She's competitive, she's competitive, the, the question is just whether she's the most deserving of the opportunity, but is Jiang while Zhang actually competitive? Yes is, she has one more one more or more. And we have to get to our next guest. How do you think? Rockland. Chris wideman? We'll do it light-heavyweight. And do think they will be threat to Jones. I think they'll be better at light heavyweight. Luke Rocco probably more. So. But I don't know who's a threat to Jones to be honest with you. Okay. We have our guest, what's the deal. Mr segarra. All right. We're still trying to get them. Still trying to find out where it what's going on here. In the meantime. The old coke zero. Delessio. So, yeah, I actually spoke to I think I said, this limit may beat actually spoke to. God, I cannot remember names today. Ray Longo Jesus. And rate was definitely in favor of Chris go into to a five for if for no other reason than the weight cutting, but I don't want to speak for him. But I detected a feeling that he kind of thought that. Chris was very competitive at one eighty five and that maybe it'll be competitive with Joel five two, but that, like absent some benefit from the weight cut there wasn't a ton of other reason to necessarily do it that might be true. But I also feel like part of changing way. Classes is a bit of a branding opportunity, right? Where? How do I explain it? Like it's a new lease on life. It's, it's good for headlines. You can get the right match good at generating attention, if you're doing if on short notice, for example, you can just leap into the rankings, very high level. So, like there's just a lot of reasons. Why it may make some sense. By the way, also may not be everything that they needed to be like this idea that is going to solve all the problems. It might it might might not to right. Like I just don't. Well, we'll have to see. I just think that Luke rock hold a little bit more sense that the that the two five move will be beneficial because I think he suffered more from the white klutz, then Chris wideman, Dan, I don't know that for fact. But that's my read on things. My read is that rock hold like uniquely suffered. And then as a consequence, he's benefiting more by the change by the adjustment. So there you go. What's the word any? Right. They're trying to get them. Don't know what that's all about line that one up a few days ago. We'll see. We'll see. Okay. All right. Well, I've to tap dancer here, I suppose. Right. That's the whole idea over one hundred good Father's Day. I will say I watched a thought that the Bill to our show. I don't know why the need to put six fights on the main card but actually thought it was pretty good. I really liked it. I. I like the desk that they use. I just don't really need to go to the desk, every time I would kinda like to see it's like. Intermittently used as opposed to like every single fight you go back to the desk. But I thought that the pace was pretty good like it started at ten. I think they were done twelve thirty or nobody was closer to one still it wasn't the pace was not terrible. And you're like, well, it shouldn't be was on his own. But some of their paramount stuff has been like just takes forever. So I am going to be curious to see what happens with shale where he's commentating the show out in London and had that big his face. Now I suppose in a week it'll be much, much lower. But. I didn't see that one coming the retirement that was kind of interesting. Anyway. That's why don't you let a look good killed you Horiguchi fight against during a Caldwell. I thought I was so worried the judges we're going to watch that. Man, I thought for sure they were going to get that wrong. And they didn't they didn't. So I was very happy about that. And I like during we had them in studio like if it was a wrestling match he won right? He out wrestled him say peco and people out wrestled Bordj, but I don't think he got. I don't think he got out of that what he thought he was putting in. And I explained to folks, like how can these wrestlers think that this is, you know? This is a way to fight. Well, the answer is pretty simple. Like think about all the effort called well put into control. Somebody dude is hard. The trick is you got to control somebody on route to advancement or on route to punishment so the in their minds. They're like, I got the takedown he couldn't get back up for long periods of time. If at all till the bell rang prevented anything any offense from him or you know meaningful offense in that time. Why am I not winning? And the answer is okay. The take down the start of like, what is the practical effect of the takedown? Okay. You got him down. All right. That's fine. You changed where the fight was going. That's that's good. Maybe the takedown itself was a nice hard slam in this case. No. But okay, I'm thinking about those things like what's the practical effect? The practical effect is you're able to get a person to the Matt slash cage. Video will to hold them there. But beyond that, there wasn't a lot of, again the first round he had the gift wrapping in the elbow. But after that, there just wasn't a whole lot a whole lot to it. So they're measuring it by control an effort and degree of difficulty. And by all those measurements. What during Coldwell did was impressive. The problem is in a fight. It's just a really different consideration than a wrestling match in going back to the peak of thing. It's like you get to you get two for the take down. Now what? Right. It just puts you in an opposition. So that's what it was. The PICO thing broke my heart a little bit, obviously, once kind of talk that one to death, the Loretta fight against Larkin dash, I don't have much to say other than that's about with so much look like when they're two zero on the way to something else was fine. Dylan Danis against max. Humphry Dylan look good, again at two, and I don't have a whole lot to say about it. He's fighting terribly outmatched opposition, which I now is fine. I'll give it up to here. All right. Well. All right. Well, I don't know how many Kevin league I guess we're going to bump up the, the board interview. That's fun. That's fun. Okay. We'll see what happens all atom board, which has to say. I'd be curious to hear more about this. Look good, man. Look good. You know, the take the wrestling, okay? You can't compete with the guy who's had a huge background in wrestling. But everything else he was very competitive as you guys saw detected openings and took them. How old is this kid, by the way? He's young, right? Emma may. She is. Let's see his nickname is the kid for crying out loud. Twenty five twenty five he's got thirteen wins. Good lord. As a pressing amount of work that he has put into this already. Yes, we'll get him here in just a minute. Should we get to go there fire and him up a how are we going to get him on sell? I think we're gonna get him on sell. Yeah. Sorry about this, folks, but this is what happens in live programming. Shit just falls. Just falls, poor. I mean this, this show has aged me in ways. I can't even explain what if all you're breaking news alerts had a voice. What would that sound like it would sound like today? Explain. It's daily news podcast from vox. I'm Sean Ramos grim every day my team, and I take one essential news story. 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Let's go to him. Now. He's on the phone. The one and only Adam Boris. Hi, adam. How are you? Hey, man. I'm good. You I'm doing quite well. Well, first of all. Congratulations on the win. Let me just ask you this did that go about, like you thought it would. Yeah. Okay, what were you expecting? Sagan. I tell you what were you expecting? I thought everybody I I'm finish and I finished teams. So it's as my friend. No from from Erin PICO. What were you expecting from him? Oh to I, I know it's tried to wrestling with me because, you know, he's a he's really Tressler he's he's a champion. So, so I know it and. You know, the shore them me. And maybe it's a it's a good brand. But everybody just thought I am on on the on striking. But I'm with on the ground I, I have a speaker for this, you know, I know he, he to take them, but I was people for that. How physically strong was Aaron PICO. You know, I can tell you, I think I am the one of the strongest guy in bump force, if I in diverse, but he, he was so give us stuff. Then the maybe in the ground on the ground. I said, I, I am so not done to watch much. Maybe I've a good and then then he took took me down. I just say my energy because I team he was breathing so hard. And he was using my lex crazy and I know it can be like this team. Okay. So let's talk about the the flying knee at the end. Now you've done that before. It's something you're very good at. Why did you throw it? What did you see that made? You decide. Okay. I'm gonna throw the flying me. You know in the second ride I just feed. I okay just save energy and then I get up. I throw some kicks. And then he tried to take me down. I throw the flying the maybe I don't know. You saw now my my last flying in. Worry about at all. I the last year it was the same. So I like that. You know when against the rest of the. The flying. The I just I just waiting for the moment when you know he, he was shoot me again. Yeah, you did it in your in your fight against Tia door, Nikolov, I believe, right adults or one ninety six. Thanks. All right. So the, you had said, I believe, after the fight that you think he might be better at one hundred and thirty five pounds. Why is that? Because I think he he was short. And maybe he's in Monte five he, he can be everybody because he was really, really song. Then I think maybe he can cut more like, you know, I usually cut like twenty pounds. And maybe he didn't he didn't. He didn't do that. Well maybe we just got. I don't know maybe fifteen them on. When he accepted the fight when they made it right where you were just thinking that he was the people were not taking you, seriously, not taking you seriously enough. Yeah. I think so that's you know, maybe they everybody was over. Underrated me and I was upset because everybody was just talking about with him. And everybody was like, oh because the finish. Like like, like days and like this, so I it's okay. I always thought it added by theme, the the annoyed I am going to finish him now. You ended up with Henry hoofed, right? Yeah. Right. Try that happen. Head coach. How did that happen? Turn it does. It's the story. Seventeen my friend called me. Hey, I fly to the though in the next week. And he said me, hey, come with me. And I said, oh, I didn't have enough money at that time I had a construct with you. I see. And I said, like, oh, I don't wanna be I don't want to go with that, because, you know, he usually just somebody going to pull mutal to three and then, you know, it's usually you can chain, only it just how much guys the first time and after I, I don't know my friends in the US have me. You know, so they make you I, I would say in the in the. At tiny and often to live the professional team. And so I spent three the over that, and they said, hey man, you have to come back and became a champion. And I need to get my. Managers? So it's the first time the in the US, and they said, they have me so they do this woman jersey I can be he likes like now. Yeah. No, let's your English is great. Don't worry about it. It's interesting. So I- since you've been with them. How much better have you gotten? It's like I dunno hundred percent. I dunno. It's like double or cheaper people. I am a lot. So I was I was like just a simple striker but and I wasn't good. In, in enemy. So I mean my enemies skew says it's it's ready for everybody because aren't they and be the best? They mean the next to sixty five the best school, which is in the graduate, doing scummy bars, any Hannity hoops. So I, I can improve every day and the I can't even do everyday. So when I go back though, I just keeping the same shit. You know what I noticed in the fight, we had just talked about it on the show era era has very good take downs. But once he got you down your ability to get back up to resist control. It was very good. Really good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I have a sore relaxed it, you know, I just did it in front to lose my position like you know, just leave food. Because if, if I just leave 'em, he can use some grandpa, puns. And I was like, okay, just just be on the top, like, like, the, you know, we're going to lose the re school and throat and everything just keep three Lexcen and get up just totally. And I don't I didn't onto like crazy scramble lose by whole energy. I was just so call him and I just do the get up well you did it was amazing. What is how popular is ever may in Hungary? It's, it's not too much. But now it's crazy. You know, I I've just yesterday and hungry. And it's crazy. Everybody's just calling and text me. Everybody wants inter- you with me. How did you get into? Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. When I got airport, there was a lot of sense and the DV, and I was like calling this shit about teeth. So are you like how, how popular are you in Hungary now? I'd say he's getting ready with me. And, and I didn't know it, you know, it's, it's just every they got the better. I see my, my social media like crazy now. Like every day, just more and more sort of a lot of text message lives shares everything. I think the most book, I'm not. No, no more than before. Does your family my pen I've, I've onto to change their hunger. I went to pull the hung it on on the the word. Are you trying to be like, the you know how gust of sin is for Sweden or McGregor is for Ireland? Are you trying to do that for Hungary? Yeah. I would like to do that. By the way, does not, not just, you know, just not that they like, I don't want to use the trash talk, like know. And I wanna be I wanna stay just like you know who I am just ready. I'm and I can say you I am. I think I am the most Jairo could on the planet. I clean every day. You like who is attending them. So where do you train back in Hungary? States. Everybody. The most time I need to make. Oh, he, he, he like, not too much, and then the maybe on on in, in the Cup, the on to, but, but it's, it's like very much, you know, and that's not like a professional, but I, I leave that toll usually in the mornings session, but, like just running lifting beg and the night, I went some type of thing and enemy and, and gun gamble, and, and then some pressing by just great cool mom, you know, in Hungary's, they'll victory and one is most than the, the freestyle wrestling. So, and it it, it's so hard to find the place where I can pay like professional. So that's why I've so happy been been I moved in the Floyd though. And it was. Like all you see I can see Joe professional fight, though. Now how, how different is Florida from Hungary. Oh, it's, it's much fun. You know, I'm one of each but some people leave and in other words, so unbelievable. It's crazy of I miss my country, but, you know, I have a goal so I have to work for that. Now, does your family watch you compete? How does that work? Yeah. They, you know they they've oke up as. To to EM or or see 'em. You know, in Hungary time it was like who PM maybe or three? Not, not just my thing. He say. Say it's a lot of people was that. Does your family like I mean, because here's the thing if you're in the United States, they're fighting is an unusual career, but people do it. But from Hungary, it must be very unusual. Yeah. And, and you know my, my father was like ready? If I think, because if, if I go from injury or something she can do my, like nothing, you know, and, and that he can it but, but I thought he would be within me. Okay. So did Bill talk to you about what they might want next from you. Not yet not yet. But I hope so. It'd be in the tournament. I think I I do you want to be in the featherweight tournament. Right. I would you take a spot as an alternate. Again, let's say that they can't put you in the tournament for some reason when they can. But they can say, okay, Adam, if someone else gets injured you can step in is that, okay? Oh, oh, I know. I run annoyed to before you know, so I have like two months before have a people like like hundred percent. So I think I do that they have to put me like I need the time, like people are like I call, like a group can because it's going to be maybe every five five runs or something like this. Besides Patrizio pit bull, who is the featherweight champ. And maybe even kidding him. Do you consider your where do you think you belong, among the best featherweights and Bill tour? I don't know. I think I you know, I never thinking would be my next opponent. Maybe he's who's for me or, or not, I all of its focus on my next so plan. And I just people I would be team. So, so we have a lot of. In my division. Like like I mean like AG Mckee, but who ran? Dan, COPD boo. And more guys. But I think. So nobody view. Nobody harder than me. Oh, I mean be confident. Let me ask you a couple more questions about Erin. If I can for just a second, some people, some people here are saying, oh, he's career will never recover. He's it's done. Do you believe that? I don't think so, man, he's a he's such a good guy and very talented very technical. Hey and people forget, you know, but haven wrestling champion and not too many people can say that both himself and I do the fact that he has boxing gloves. And I, he looks very nice guy. And I just the re go team. You know, he's a harder or through, and, and he's so motivation I sorta in off the fight because, you know, you never talk, she's with me. And I like that. I, I mean just you need the summarize and maybe the high post too much for him, you know, because he looks like crazy high. Did you did you talk to him, you know pressure maybe three hundred four the pressure? Maybe did you talk to him backstage after the fight. I tried but was. He wasn't able to. But I just said him. Hey, you'll become back and you ought to boot fighter. I said, just off to the fight like this. Yeah. Well, I, I, I see him on Instagram labor. Why we show vast equally. Would fight that was pressure to share the cage. Well, Adam, and by the way, can you pronounce your last name force is it's born? Rich. Yeah. You say that. Hung gedeon. All right. I'm an honorary Hungarian for the day. How about that? I can take that congratulations. Adam phenomenal win phenomenal win. You should be very proud and enjoy time at home. I guess you'll be back in Florida before no time. Yeah. I come back in July eighteen. Yeah. All right. Very good. Congratulations. Thank you for your time out of. Thank you so much. Guys out on board all the way from, I guess. Budapest. Or. Wherever the hell Hungary, he is. All right. Danny, what's the deal with Mr Lee? All right. So let's do this solicitous. They're trying to. Yeah. They're trying to wrangle him. I don't know where he is. So for the time being if we can't get them, maybe we can't fingers crossed knock on wood. Let's go to the sound off now. This is Karen wisher. I wanna tell you about my podcast Rico decode every week, we have candid in depth conversations with people like Elon Musk Nancy Pelosi and Kathy Griffin. We talk about how they got to where they are today, and how their work is changing our world. New episodes of Rico decode are released every Monday and Wednesday. And we often have bonus episodes on Friday. Subscribe for free to be the first to hear them on apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast app. All right. Go to my friend Danny here. Areas. Go to himself. Are you sir? I'm here reasonable reasonably not hung over today. No, I'm fine are very good. I actually had a good sleep last night. I did to whatever I come to New York. My wife takes the full shift of the kid and my kid is seven weeks old Saturday last three nights has slept through the night, bro. Can you believe it? I don't know doctors like wake him up so they can eat every three hours, bro. No, no show. Just get an extra few ounces on all the other meals, I'm not doing that. That's good. Doctor watching go after self. I'm not fixing a good weekend. Yes. Yeah. Good weekend. Just super-busy obviously covering Bill to twenty two. I thought that the pace it was pretty good. I thought it was a great event again. I saw it. You were there. Yeah. I didn't see it through does own. But I thought the fights themselves were really good at the quality was prettier the crowd seemed into it. It was a good night for about. All right. Very good solicitous, how the calls my friend. Very good calls were very excited to hear it. So why don't you just take it away? You lead the ship here, maestro. All right. Let's do it. Well, a lot of storylines coming out of Bill to, to twenty two. But I think the following is the biggest. You. Tell me lewke, Jake for more Morgan Cohen on the somber matter, the great shale piece on. Retires undefeated, hold of multiple titles in multiple weight classes admired across not just our nation. But the world what you thoughts on it will, and then they as a sport recover, and if so, how long will it take? Thanks, man. Yeah. The greatest of all time. Yes. Certainly he is not what is chills. Legacy boys complicated. Very he is something of an overachiever. He is a guy. I think the way I think about him Danny on about you, I think of him as somebody who. Maximized every opportunity imaginable, with every tool in the tool shed, whether that was timing was it that was his outright ability, whether that was his ability to sell a fight and promote and become a certain kind of character. I think you have to include the fact that also through performance enhancing drugs. So some of these are by Lissette. Somebody's or by illicit means, but either way in the end he ended up being incredibly adored, although for a time he was not, I'm folks, I remember time in MMA when he was very polarizing but not so much the case anymore. But to me, that's who he is. He is a guy that tried to find every rung on the ladder to get to the top. And I don't think he got quite as far as he wanted to. But all you can ever ask is if somebody just rings, the sponge dry and he did. Yeah. I think his legacy is that you can be a very, very successful fighter when most successful fighters intimate without. Earning title without earning a world time. Interesting. I think he that's cold comfort for them, though. He's he's, he's been the main event of every card. He's fought in for the last, you know, or at least, you know. This top two. Yeah. Or at least combing event? But definitely like one of the bigger fights on the card. She always fought the best if you just quote on his resume tes ridiculous. The competition ninety five he'd never got a step down in competition. Never refused to fight, and, you know, he, he became a star in the sport. And I think you know he did all that without ever holding a title. And I think that's important. I think you know, your brand the way you present yourself the way you carry yourself it can take you pretty far in the sport. You don't necessarily need the title to, to be successful people. Always talk about Vitor as the poster child for to your tea, and then what subsequently happened. Here's my theory on this, because this is true, the and I'm not going to go on some ranch. Just hear me off for second just trying to make an honest point the entire history of anti-doping tied to media, backlash and hysteria in terms of the growth of organizations in the development of ideas. So like water came out with there's a pushback, all kinds of international organizations were create. When the media piled on some kind of scandal. T was our scandal. And it was when there was pushback to it that you had. You've see decide to go with you Sada a big part of that is what's on, and did where these guys were like I need this to control till to compete, I need this to live. I need this for health. And you know, let's be honest, everyone was kind of wink, wink nudge, nudge. They didn't really need it. But they were claiming they needed a big part of the reason why we, have you thought it, it's not strictly, of course, silence issues all kinds of guys using it. But I would actually argue he was a pretty big reason in terms of media visibility for why the media turned on. And then we now have our current situation. Yeah. He was also one of the few people have managed to turn their career around from from that type of situation deal with with, you know, the backlash from the media backlash from the fans because, you know. When was the last time I mean, when was the last time you like these kind of things got brought up as far as like, you know, failing drug tests in, in whatnot in his career. Like every like that kind of got putting in Metairie something every other my fighter whose failed a drug test virtually a name them. They get real bitter. When you bring it up. Jail was open and honest about it. And I think the fans like okay we forgive you. There's a bunch of other Jubran. He's right now who I could name, I've like I've mentioned before filling drug tests, and then I've had a couple of them, confront me about them like what he wanted to do. When did not mention the fact that there's a fact of your existence that you feel drug. I'm, I'm sympathetic as anybody about you fail in a drug test. And you wanna get my grill about it. Okay show was so up front about it is that you didn't even need to ask him about it. He'd bring it up himself. You know. And he was always very honest, as far as you know, that matter a went and. Yeah. Feel like you know it's part of why it never got really brought up again. Because he answered all the questions, you know. So I've never once you do that then. What else is there to bring bring up? Let's say about this. I would love to know what Anderson Silva, and John Jones think about him. Yeah. I would love to know that their version is the correct version or that are versions the correct version. But I would like to hear. There's because the media is kind of like uncle trail elder statesman. That's fine. I don't really have a problem with it, but they might have a different one. I don't know. I'd like to hear it. Yeah. Also wonder how much? How much success you know is is a tribute to the backlash because like John Jones's champion right now. Let's say chill son would have been destroying everybody just ruled over belts where I wonder if these things would have came up again. Whereas it because he had a couple setbacks, maybe people kind of auto the scarred. Just remember when he got fired from Fox Sports, when all the test came back positive, and to look at him. Now, it's like what an incredible imagery ESPN unbelievable. So all right. There you go. I let's talk about one of the major title fights that went down a bell through to. Joe at a south Florida when guarding Laurie MacDonald. Do we think that fight against John? She was just having a bad then pulled that camp. 'cause he looked perimeter against 'immigration. What are your thoughts? Let me know this. I any. I think you were you're very skeptic of ROY McDonald entering this fire. Very skeptical of where he was that mentally. 'cause like Phil earned baller. Yeah. But I mean me watching that fight that looked like a world class fighter out their Neiman Gracie undefeated, the dudes, no joke, and it was one thing if you know, ROY McDonald manage to stuff is take downs, and then it was just a standup battle. And he won. There you go. Okay. Well, we know that Gracie, although very complete fighter that's not where he shines best, but Gracie took him so ground mounted him at one point, and ROY was able to fight that off. He got he got dragged into the deep waters. He got dragged into literally the worst position, you can be with Gracie that is mounted or survive Acura. Yeah. Why think he did have his back a one point yet, both Oakland's I think we, I think it won't point he did. And she was able to fight off in look, he's not the same ROY McDonald in the sense of like he's this angry guy that's out there, you know, sort of like this. Beast. But the one we have now is still pretty darn good man. Plus fighter, and I don't think the way to win just sort of pick. I picked him thought he wasn't gonna win. Yeah. I don't think he needs to rage to, to, to be as good as he can be. Let me see how about goes against Douglas lane with a second time. That's going to be the true test. So I'll say, I'll say this. You're right against most opposition, I'll dial back a little bit of my, my skepticism because he definitely looked like a guy in-command didn't panic worked. You could see him working through solution to wind up wanting to win all great signs, but there wasn't a lot of physical damage that he took. And that's been the one thing I've been wondering about in the Masasi fighting more particularly the Stephen Thompson, and then really the Lawler fight. What happens if Douglas Lima puts it on them physically puts it on them? Yeah. Will you then have the will to continue back, the answer is listen to what I'm saying? I am not saying no but I feel like I need to see it before I believe it. See. You're saying, no no, I'm saying. I don't know. What's wrong with saying, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. We don't know. That's the reality, but he's Lima's. Let me ask you, do you watch the first Lima McDonnell? Yeah close. But I thought you can make a case for Lima. But I thought Rory one. Yes. Yeah but Lima put it on a little bit there. I mean going into the final round it was kind of up in the air and what was the key about that? He had to dig deep ROY. And he did it to him. But I think has gotten better since then he has. So now it's an interesting question. So now it's an interesting question very interesting. Yeah, I guess we'll, we'll wait and see what happens. But nonetheless, I do think this is a hurdle that he passed. I feel yes. I agree with that. I'm a lot more confident than him entering a fight now than before she's not frail, and it's not fragile these tough as nails and smart. And still, obviously very good. I just wanna see what happens when somebody physically puts it on them. Could he rally like he did? And other occasions. Yeah, that's why I want to find out if you look at your right? Yeah. I let's talk about the. Other title fight that went down on that court. Hey, loop paid any hope you're doing. Well, when I'm snick recording this in Gothenburg Sweden big enough. The show and I just wanna know your opinion on two statements regarding the Bella tra- fight between cugiharu Gucci and area and Caldwell. I couldn't help seeing that it wasn't so much recruit. She who won the fight, even though I feel he's the rightful winner. It was more Caldwell who lost to fight a string quite well in defeat and just holding down didn't really do doom. Any favors is that fair to say are my, my seeing this the wrong way and two second statement is this win may Carucci, degrade, his Japanese fighter of all time love to hear an answer to those two statements have a great day guys. Bye. Like this guy works at NPR's. Coming to you live from our WMU eighty eight five stations. Yeah. I would say, okay, second question. He's pretty clearly. The best Japanese fighter of all time. I don't think he's the most important or celebrated that would clearly belong to belts. Right. So that would clean as well. But I'm saying, like, like, how do you weigh he'll sheet a gold medalist from judo like these incredibly important people who also fun pride or because she's Raba who you know, was part of the Toby, boom? And all that kind of stuff like there's a lot of different pieces. There suck Raba was a superstar pity on motives superstar who don't know. Imagine hulk HOGAN in his prime popularity and imagine that, dude, also fought Emma. May that's what she cycle Roba's. We're not talking about greatest where those kind of things are best. Yeah. He's the best. Yeah. I think so I mean do think about it for a time. You had plenty of lifelong. Are you kidding me? These guys at American top team. They're like you don't even understand how good this guy's. He's fast and he's smart. He makes quick like it's one thing to be physically quick. It's another one to make quick decisions that your body can act on east clever clever. Did he looked tired in the fifth round even a little bit nothing? And I think it's big that he's coming up from flight way because there's a clear there was a clear size advantage between him and, and Darren called will. And I feel like that's you know, not not having to kill his body to one thirty five. Definitely attributes twist cardio. I agree with that. And certainly it any events. He's definitely the best one in terms of like coal will lose the fight. Yeah. Man. Like I talked about. I wonder how you felt like I think what call was telling himself was killed us. Not doing anything while I'm down there and I'm the one who put him there. Yeah. In the end that has to count for something. But practically it just it does come for something. Just not enough. Just not enough. Also gonna say about during call. I really liked the guy if you ever watched him wrestle in college, it was he was just a fee nom. I'm not seeing enough development. And his game. Man. I need to see another step up in the striking this step up in the guard passing in the ground and pound. Yes. It's not enough. Yeah, yeah. It was. That was what we fight. I was watching it. I was also, you know, tweeting and I was doing a few other things for work. So I wasn't catching, you know, I wasn't just solely focused on the fight, and I think I tweeted something from the fighting come go. I think I think Gucci needs a Finnish year entering this last. Oh, yeah. Hundred. But you, you know, looking back now like it was clear who was in control. Call the was dictating where the fight was at, but Horiguchi was the one that was always on tack, and I think, ultimately, that's what one of the fight. And yeah, I think with Caldwell he was in positions to win the fight. He just, for example, just stood there. And I mean, that's just kinda just control them and held them there. And just took elbows and punches. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I think, you know, somethings get interesting, as far as the grappling lake sure, but like the ground and pound was there. I don't know why he just did it in the knack, debated. It'd be a good question to ask. It's hard to control. And to throw at the same time it takes Matt. Pinned like his legs were pinned full accusing back up against the fence. It's going to be hard to him. That's going to be very hard to at least meaningful grounded bound, but watching that fight weren't you. Glad a little bit. And I I'm not saying, I'm glad that Darren loss, but I'm glad that the judges saw the fight the way they saw. Oh, because it says something about sort of the development development sport in the way, we're like analyzing it, because it was clear that will reduce you was the one trying to do the most damage and doing the most damage in that fight. I mean look, I, I was tweeting before like off these judges are gonna miss yet because I just knew there were, and they didn't. I was like Douglas Crosby was one of the judges, I was like, oh, Douglas is about to give us the old okeydoke here but he didn't. So in the end, you're right. But I still believe I don't know if you agree with this. But maybe you do we don't, if that had been judged under one or pride rules. Or the fight is judged as a whole Joji would have been the easy winter. Yeah. I sweated it because of the ten nine months system. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And the top control, you know. Because it usually means a lot for, for some, some North American ones. Yeah. I will discuss Erin peco's loss against Adam Boris a weird man. Lukens any this is Adam from Queen. There were a lot of fights Friday night. But I have to ask about Eric PICO, Scott Coker, said, he's not giving up on PICO, just wondering what you think is actually next for him. Right. Things guys love the show by. Him, somebody pulled off of Bumfights. They better, give him somebody. He can. Absolutely. Demolished like that's the setup that's called building talent. That how folks that is how the sausage is made. You take somebody who's got some promise and you give him somebody who probably doesn't Adam board, clearly has promise. They were giving him a guy from he's leading from any Li camp. Yeah. Who made that call who made that call? I cannot believe they agreed to that. Yeah, this. I asked him that I asked him like do you not wanna be babied into this career? Like, why are you taking all these fights and people gave me a, an interesting answer that kind of wasn't expecting? He's like, oh, it's, you know, talk to the matchmaker Stockton matchmakers. But then he went on to say, like, look, I know I know for factor, offering these type of fights to people my, my experience level, and they're not taking they offer those fights with me against, you know, very experienced people and they're not even taking. So, we'll makes you think guy that's like, you know, one and two or two and three or whatever is gonna take a fight with me. And I think that brings up an interesting point. But there's gotta be a way man. There's gotta be a way to get these Seattle fight them. There's a guy on the regional seen Lloyd. Loyd dylan. Dan? This is a really good fighter in the sense of like his jujitsu background, like you know, he super legit as far as that goes in and he's getting fights. Yeah. Here's the, you know, I know they're not different. Yeah. Fighters. They don't want to fight him dot dot dot at a certain price. Maybe you don't wanna overpay. I do not believe for second. They can't find the right talent to fight him even for moderate price. I just I'm sorry. I know. I know. I'm sure I am not saying people don't turn them down. I don't believe you ever seeing that the Jif will Ferrell. I don't believe you. That's me. I don't believe you. I don't believe that I'm not saying that Aaron's. Not tell the truth, you probably is, again, people, I'm certain are turning down fights. That's not a reason to give him out a mortgage. Yeah, look at the alternative. This is better. This is what you wanted a guy who has all the ability in the world at a sitting four and three. This is the this is the optimal outcome. Clearly clearly it's not it's a very frustrating thing to watch. Because if you look at any fighter, that's, you know, six seven fights into career. There's a clear difference between Erin PICO and somebody that has that many fights era people's really, really good. You just watch any of his fights even defeats. He's doing some things that a lot of people that would have his record wouldn't be able to do is just, he's doing it again, guys that are so experienced like what, what out on board. Did that flying knee? A guy that's fights in is not going to be able to do that. You know what I'm saying? So you're exposing Erin PICO two things that he's never seen before. And he's frankly, not ready for not because he's not good because he's inexperienced. So he should be fighting guys that are, you know, close to his record in his frustrating, moso com nine is just like not. He's overrated media hype them up. He's got no chin. You know, he's not what you thought you know media did hype about? Yeah. Of course, for reason. I mean, look at his record look at what he did to Leandre go, you know what I'm saying, but he clearly needs a step on incompetent. The thing that people keep doing, like he's got no chin as the explanation. Do you take that Sean guys take bombs, and then the reaction is can't take a shot? Not that one. Yes. A flying each. Yes. Yes. They can't take a MOAB straight to the jaw. Yes. You're right. They cannot get him. He didn't. He didn't survive a flying Neil. What's wrong? Do are y'all. Are you all? This is not the same thing with sage turns out sage had his whole ship broken. And they're like, oh, right. Like, maybe that's not there. Yet, it's kind of a hard punch it, even I went back and I watched, just I watch the Corrales fire just to make sure dude, he was standing there, trading and Corrales was going to the right side and PICO wasn't addressing it at all. I don't even think notice it was coming if you take a shot that you don't see coming. It's going to hurt in a really bad way. Am I saying he's got the world's best chin? Maybe not that necessarily. But, like I know means a week, right? Yeah. But as this, the reason why he's losing because he just can't take any, I've seen guys who can't take punishment. It's very different very different. I don't mean to besmirch it. But one of the guys who was like this was a guy by the name of Jonathan Goulet Jonathan Goulet was a French Canadian UFC fighter four time, some of the more you have very talented martial artist. Take shot was not one of his better. But if things I guess, is he no gara- is, is, is an PICO Noguera. Okay. He's not. No garra. But this I. Well, he just can't get it right again. I don't believe you. I don't believe you. Yeah. Yeah. It's very frustrating situation. I would like to see them take some time off stage Jackson wins because I did see a difference in game planet feel like strategy wise. He came in. He was fighting lots mortar stores, the middle level to this. Yeah, yeah. The medical thing where he's just doing the same thing over and over again. He's like, make people react think, and get confused. You know, who's really good at that Corey sand. Hagen Corey San Hagen is extremely good about making you look this way. And I'm the shark comes this way. He's very, very gifted at that for sure I will about his opponent. I feel like most of the talk leaving that match was about Aaron PICO. But let's not forget the winner. The guy who just had the show. Hi. This is more bullish clue from Budapest. Bill tool to twenty two sore. Erin, PICO matched up against Adam bridge with the lead up the sun, the Hungarian almost completely, and actually an PICO as well. Obviously, what's your take on barrages ability? And about the heights. He can ascend to in his division was his win a fluke, all how you would go. Thanks again. For doing great jump, and come. Visit someday. Yeah. For sure by me tick. Okay. First of all, that guy had to be a pro broadcaster. Right. Yeah. That quality that was ridiculously better quality to our show is okay. So was a fluke. Absolutely not. I just went through, and showed you like every small hole that peco was leaving it was like, oh, you're like, well, PICO didn't control enough. So therefore boards got out. You have to recognize the opening, and then you have to recognize what to do about it. If you think, like, for example, if I took someone off the street and I had a blue or purple belt, control them that blue in a purple belt is not going to have the same kind of control, as let's say the recent you have see Saini adult Vieira. They're going to miss things. They're not gonna have as tight control. Is that person off the street going to know what to do? There's going to sit there and get destroyed by some by some purple belt. They're gonna get mounted and then choked out or, or whatever arm broken. But that doesn't mean you had the exact same level of control. There was a dip there. So my point being is. It's yes, there might have been some pieces to peco's game missing in the application, but board recognized all of them and reacted to all of them. Now have there been someone like Habib on top of them maybe would have been a bit of a different story, but I thought he actually looked really good. And again, he's had multiple flying Nikkei owes at this point. So that's not an accident either. He's good. Very good. Yeah. And yeah. And he's only twenty five men and he's at a great camp. I think he could be like something big for were in the next couple years. Twenty five years old is nothing nothing healthy. You know, man. And I wonder how big it can be been to Budapest. Never or good things who Depeche nice for democracies have a little trouble with old Victor Orban. But, but yeah. No, I I there's nothing fluky about it now. Yeah. How good is relative to the top of that division? I don't know. I would love to see him in the tournament. I think it'd be great if he was there pretty. He's also pretty big. Like if you saw him in person compared to people he was a lot bigger. Jesus goes, how big would you say, for one, the forty five on the small size because he's I'm whereabout like the same size as far as like always. He's all more muscular than I. But yeah, yeah. He case you didn't know. As far as body frame. Like we're about the same high. You know that sort of the same size in, in, in that regard in when I talked to him. He seemed a little parched. He's he was he was having trouble with the way cut. So or I don't know. No, no, PICO PICO. Yes. So it was kind of weird, because it's like I feel like you should be making this not comfortably. But, you know. Right. Bora was cutting twenty pounds right? Yes. Boy, the fresher fighter, but, you know, I don't know weird. All right. A couple more of these. Yeah, yeah, let's do it. So something interesting that came out of that whole fight week was, first of all, just across promotion in general, and then Scott Coker had a few things to say. So let's discuss that. Hey, Luke, Danny Mito from Washington township, New Jersey how he's doing the question here for you. So recently shockers an interview and said that he wouldn't be opposed to Bill to verse UFC that nothing just wondering who would be your top pick for a main event. What would be the most interesting, and your guys opinion for about three or fighter? And. UFC. Flirter. Thank you show wanna know where us what you think about this. All right. By the way. Yep. Scott Coker being like. Yeah, I would love to do it. You know, let's do it. Yeah. Sort of like me being like, yeah, I would love to win the lottery. You know what I mean? Like I'd look you know what I mean. I, I'd love to be a movie star. I'd like to do a lot of things. There's just not gonna happen. So it's, it's not going to happen. Okay. You wanna bet everything I own. It doesn't happen in my lifetime. Well up this way, as long as Danna whites at the UFC doesn't happen. Yeah. So that's the issue. Yeah. Now if he leaves foof fantasy matchup. That's an interesting one I would say. Pit bull versus Patricio. Pit bull versus max hollow is kind of interesting. Yeah. That's a good one. If own. What do you think? I mean with. Yeah. That's a good one. I think with the change. Yeah. With the whole bantamweight conversation, why not? You know, so who tow Horiguchi? How has a great one? I think the winner there, you could easily say they're the beltway Horiguchi could win that one tube or don't think he couldn't and the winner there is the best bantamweight at the moment. Yeah. Yeah. No doubt about it. Yeah. W great one. That's a really great one while. That'd be it. Also. Are you curious for Ryan Bater DC kind of? No, no, no. That one seems fairly straightforward to me. No. I would favor DC heavily, but I feel I feel much different about this matchup. Now, then, when Bater was in the UC, Scher, baiters Hansel with iota. Do you think he'd beats Liotta in the rematch? That's the big one. That's, that's another question that they asked. So what was it for later on the what else they don't Kevin Lee? He hasn't replied, which is usually he's grit with, with getting back to people. But the. Hasn't gone back to me. So I guess let's just give it a few more minutes in was. That's fun. Yeah. Six to my Monday bra. What can you been in this business since two thousand six what I'm saying, look at me? Now, I've got a studio show, how much bigger does my career need to get before this doesn't happen. You know what I'm saying? Is it always happens that every level could be instant kind of miscommunication, could I'm sure it's totally innocuous, Kevin Lee. But I'm just saying, like how many how many times like? I gotta be, you know, I got be a show on NBC or something you're gonna have tonight show wonder, you got a real quiet when I asked that question. What is that? Nothing. What can we do? We question weird thing. It's a weird thing. I don't know why cats fighters man. Yeah. It's weird. And I mean, Kevin as I said, Kevin's never flaky or anything like that. I'm sure being standing I'm just saying. I just keep wondering how I escalate through the levels, and that aspect of trying to get fighters on your show never changes it, never changed. So it's just a fact of existence. All right. Let's do some more calls. All right. Speaking of hoodoo and the bantamweight division. This was a bit of an interesting question for me. It's an easy answer. But I don't know if you feel any different. So. Hey, Luke, this is d my from south writing Virginia Tilley. I just wanted to know your opinion on who had a better win streak Henry Fudo or destined poor ya. I don't really have a take but let me know your thoughts. I'd say destined Pori yet, but that's a tough one relay what he's from chantilly old. Drab Tilly people know about Dr Tilly in DC. God. All right. So look, I don't think it's win question. Mariah schwinn is unbelievable. And it's probably better than any of the winds that Dustin has. But he asked about the win streak. Yep. So the DJ fight you can make a case he didn't lose. The for he lost. He lost because I know a lot of people think DJ one this close then you have the one against TJ which was impressive but short. So it's hard exactly what to know. So that's those two interesting. The marash fight is just like the most legit. I, I don't think doesn't has one legit as that. But in beating Pederson and stopping him and then and then stopping gay cheat, and then Alvarez and then now this with Holloway, that's the to me, that's a better four fight body of work. You have to be honest yet angry. I think if you look at individual fights, due to beating Dmitri's Johnson, especially at that moment in his career that was that was big beating teach Diller shies big. But if you actually, you know, string those together because who'd also has, and I'm not trying to be like this Beijing, but who'd also has Windsor. So your pet is, who's a very good fighter wasn't Hayes was very good fighter. But I mean dust employees you just go down the line in his studs. You know, back to back, so for me is important, but I will say that's Huda win over. Marash is bay is so goddamn impress. So impressive awakeness above two is ridiculous. Is staying out, you know, we'll see what happens but yeah, I know what you mean by to beat Mirage the way he did that was extremely impressive. Exact really impressive so that one win is better. But I don't know. Yeah. For sure next. Will you brought up so intermit- cheetah? Let's see was up. I look, Danny Jordan jank calling from Gainesville, Florida been a while you guys are doing well might gillians. I sorta. How do you guys feel about Machida against Bater is a wash? I personally feel like it's just not a good match up kind of at all. I feel like for the auto and he's one of my absolute favorite biters, not easy to say this. I'm just trying to about. You got Bill. Thank God you wonder stand, what he means by that. Leo to knock them out in the first one. Yeah nobody feels like Leo's older. Now is older now. We we've seen him lose before. After that my baiter fight to Ulta rhino. So he. Well, he lost the Phil Davis, lost the Chris wideman than he had that bad losing streak of Rockall. You'll Romero Derek Brunson. And then since he hasn't lost. So I do feel like. When beta fought Machida that might have been prime Michio look at probably favor Bater at this point, but Machida still pretty crafty. He's pretty smart. He's preserved them so son. And he looked really good. I don't know if, if it came across to you the same way on TV or does own streaming away, but I feel like he looked better than those best performance in the last, you know, three, four years like he was quick. I mean, maybe it's something about the opponent as well. But he looked really good. Man machine is far from wash. He looked great. I thought he looked great. You know, I think baiters different cookie than. Yeah. Of course, obviously he can wrestle folks who didn't pay attention since that Rashad fight Bater has showed incredible striking. Remember he didn't take a single punch in the entire heavyweight grand prix. It's ridiculous. What he can do he can still wrestle as well. I don't think it's physically stronger than Machida. So is interesting matchup, like I don't have existentialist dread or something. For machecas chances. I just think little just probably faded favor baiter. Yeah. But, but do you think betas, go near just mopped the floor with them? I may maybe he does he. That's not like I don't know. It's not like it's not like. Dylan dance versus max Humphry. Really, you know how long how much punishment is maximum. Take before the call it a day. I don't quite see it like that. I think it's pretty competitive and it wouldn't surprise me at all. If little picks up a win there, but I'd favor baiter slightly. But look what she does very loose. You'll do those flying knees against son in, when when have we throw flying knees like that in his career. I don't remember I'm sure he has, I can't I just I don't remember that was a bit of a new. This is name if I don't mention it on air. I'm gonna lose my goddamn mind. It's the guy talked about who was more silica who, so nice from BJ fanatics. Do you know who I'm talking about what is his name? Mateos DC is news. God. We're Nardo Fara, Bernardo Fara. That's the guy. Bernardo. Fara? Oh my Lord, one time show, me how to do shoulder pressure years, maybe five years ago, steadily bro. I thought my jaw was gonna go shooting out of my face. Face. It was so painful, he looked at me. You don't put it on a fire. He's bald. He's a multi block about world champion. He always smiles. He never stops smiling and he looked at me after I do my job seriously hurt. I was in tremendous pain, and he lets go and I was like that was really bad. He's like Yemen, if it doesn't hurt you're not doing it right. And just kept on smiling. He was so happy about it. So that's when I talk about, like you got to control them like that, you know. Bernardo. But hey, I'm all in for mitchum. Who'd you rather what we have sheet five for the Belton middleweight or heavy? Preference. Well, I guess he was fighting baiter he's fighting more intrigued, and Machida beta than. Have you? But I guess. Yeah. Yeah. Heavy. Yeah. And then mossy has a title fight this coming weekend against rough elva to win two. Let's do one more. And then I guess if Kevin lease now here, we can just go and commit ritual suicide. All right. Sounds like a plan to I'll let you pick. Let's see we got. What do you think is the most useful successful martial art in may? What happens if Pouria wins? Home Nunez, break them was poor. You. Hi, this is David from Tampa. I was wondering if you know, alternate. Just import rate beats could be. Do you think Conor 'cause defy dozen or still goes after could be? So here's my thought on that. I know alternate universe. I think look, I think the odds are not in favor of Pouria. But I think you could potentially put anybody who thinks Pouria has no chance to win the crazy again could be is your rightful favorite fun. Yes, I've very much take seriously dust employee as a business threat. You'd be foolish not to. So I think that hubby gets an immediate rematch. He'd be losing his title. She'd be losing his title in the first defeat of his career. There's no way that run that back. And yeah here's the thing, you'll think Conor can stick in there. And then you know kind of his chances against poor. You keep in mind that he has a win over him. And then if he does win, then you can potentially get a, you know, poor year could be two or McGregor had this. I have a feeling that if Dustin wins, it's not gonna be the things where he stops all the take downs. And then just knuckles him into the dirt. Yeah, I have a feeling that it's. To be back and forth with controlling him and getting into advantageous spots, and really hurting. Dustin destined finding a way to hang on, and then rocking him in this going on for round after round in which case either guy would be able to claim all with a few adjustments. I can feel when win this versus. Let's say doesn't want in there and just obliterated him like made him look like an amateur will then you could say, all right. Well, there's no, like in the case for St. pavers DC, my whole point about this was, yes. The fame element didn't work in your favorite 'cause you explicitly rejected it, but more to the point. Let's the fight was signed in January had entire seasonal fighter. You fought in July June July. Whatever was six months later, and you've got beaten side around, what is the case for a rematch? There is none. You can make another one outside of it winning fighter in the division champion. But like inside what happened in that octagon. There is no case for a rematch at all. Yeah. Okay. So imagine he does something like that. Then the Connor sweepstakes, get a little bit more interesting. But I. Have a feeling that even Dustin wins could be was gonna take a pound of flesh from him. No matter what. Yeah. I think so too. It's got to be a back and forth. I mean I it's always possible that she could just get starched but I don't think so. I think I think Pouria and I think Paul knows that I think you know, entering the gays you fight. He said something like you know, I know I'm gonna leave a piece of myself in there. I feel like he probably feels the same way about it with the, you know. All right. Let's call that a day. So we are officially on the no, Kevin -ly interview bandwagon here. Yeah. I mean no. No reply, no reply. So unlike him, I know very, very we wonder what happened there. See if you can figure that out limited okay. Yeah. For sure hope. Everything's okay. That's all right. Well, thank you very much. More calls keeps it into Danny, by the way, the Email. You heard him the hour, vox media dot com. Keep calling eight four four eight six six two four six eight. Sorry about some of the programming changes. We appreciate you guys watching, and it's next time stay frosty.

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