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On Special Assignment With RTF  Pamela Acker & The Lethal Organ Transplant Racket

CRUSADE Channel Previews

01:59 min | 5 months ago

On Special Assignment With RTF Pamela Acker & The Lethal Organ Transplant Racket

"Hey guys mike here with restoring the faith on special assignment. Once again for the crusade channel. Did you know that last month. I interviewed pam acker. Who is a specialist in vaccines and immunology. You've gotta catch this interview and if you missed it. Check out the website restoring the faith dot com before your heart to be able to be transplanted into someone else's body. It basically still needs to be beating when they take it out or have just ceased beating because they just kill you so they could take your heart This the same thing is true with these aborted fetal researchers. This wasn't just like i mean it's bad enough right. It's one hundred percent already completely immoral to to murder a little baby in the womb and take its parts out of the mother and then experiment on those parts. These babies were often actually removed via c-section. Still living so that. Then they're tissue could be experimented on so it would be sufficiently fresh and undamaged and they were being dissect it basically with their heart's still beating This i mean. This isn't just immoral this utterly satanic beyond barbaric. It's it is as you said satanic demonic. I can't help but everyone can probably imagine they've seen the image famous image of a c section baby coming out in in in the sack you know this is a live. Birth is what this is. This is a live birth and that the heart is beating and you are cutting into the baby again. You've gotta here this whole thing. Its groundbreaking check out the website restoring the faith dot com and stay tuned. Because i'm interviewing her then this weekend mike here again on special assignment for the crusade channel. The last live radio station.

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Don't Tell Grandma! with Ben Acker

The Big Ones

1:00:23 hr | 1 year ago

Don't Tell Grandma! with Ben Acker

"In production would I kill my own baby to save a village and I go back in time and killed in what I take the promotion at work with strings attached. I eat muffins for the rest of my life. If it meant I didn't have to. Would I have Satan's child. Hi everyone and welcome to the big ones each week. We discussed new ethical questions ranging from historical decisions to relationship problems to brain. Busting moral choices. That questions can be complicated discuss. But they're always fun to talk about because as they force you to look deep deep deep with inside yourself. Will you like what you see Ban Aker yes I do I do to impress you. Guys Know Ben because He created the podcast. Well that's what he was saying. He's narrative fiction podcast. Yeah Yeah woman not alone not alone. You had a friend. We had friends. You can't change the world alone. I mean an army of people behind you. That's so true Maria. Thank you per se but they but you guys know Ben Acker as one of the creators of thrilling adventure hour. He's a friend of this pod. He's a friend of ours he is and he's a mentor. What yes you are friend and mentor or both the band because the band blocker he's been on the pod You guys are podcast slash. Writing mentors loses news breaking news alert alert extra alert alert alert. What do you say That's amazing thank you guys have been doing for. We've been doing. Yeah well no because you guys like get stuff done you know you. Just you and Ben have the best work ethic thing. I've ever seen the hardest working people who don't have jobs. Okay so Amanda and I are like the M- the most like kind of working people pull that don't have jobs. Maybe we we work a lot but a some of it never gets finished. Winston wants to. That's because no one's asking for it. I mean you can't you can't you know dot your I's cross your T.'s. When no one's asking for the for the papers Um can't you just meant to you a little bit okay. Totally this is Marie is loser. Story is rearing she has got. I know my therapist said it. Sounds like your friend. Maria has got a loser story. I thought when you have said it to me you said you and your friend Maria but now I know he was talking about me. Well it's changed in my head over time I've taken myself out of the equation Persona saying oh I see the her public persona Ben. Now how do you make money in Hollywood. Well it seems to me you go by Chris be me your raw handsome Kind of funny to you. Go by Chris Chris. Chris is out there for the observational locality. There's another part of your stand up routine Chris. Chunk your sit down five on cruises. One of my most popular tweets leads on twitter. Dot Com is about how James Marston is an outlier for being the only Chris to be named James That's good that's really good. Got How many more and how did you get paid for that. Tweet six-team bitcoin. How do you make make a living at being a Hollywood writer and podcast are given some gift Maria some? Maybe she'll listen to she he doesn't need. It was a Gotcha podcasts. Gotcha girl. That's our slogan we got you girl. Oh gotcha girl yeah. So that's when you do something thank to help someone out and you don't make them feel bad about it and you go. I got you girl Nice. I kill switch over to audible. and You make an audible original occult cotton run. That came out today. I don't know in the coming out Tuesday and this is why they look. This isn't live. We're not live streaming this party now. Lung how seamless that was and that's why they're paying you the big bucks because we've just tripped right into that plug into a plug. So let's talk about this. So it's it's an audible fiction series it's an audible original. It comes all at once a series that you will hear part of and then wait. Wait here another partner. You just got slapped in the face. Sheila meal series. I think the thing is that she. She didn't always search. We are not yet seriously. You can't binge it for you can't i. I can't play both sides. You're both right so it's a movie what what is do you have youtube floors Youtube Google audible and then over to the audible website. And then listen to it correct with you when we start recording. Where record we're recording? We've been recording for the last three hour days. So you've always ben give us line the log line is about. I'm not going to be a Hollywood funny. I'm just wrapping. Tell you what it's about about two best friends who happen to be kidney thieves and how ocupation plays a holy hell on their social lives their relationships amazing. And so we had you Eugene Cordeiro on the big winds. Wasn't he a wonderful guy. He was so great. He's in the series May Ryan's in it. Yes you gene and Meg Ryan did you meet. May I did not meet her. She was in the Cape but she recorded remotely and I was on the phone. Time on the SKYPE session. was she in the bathtub when she was recording. Because that's how I imagine it probably shoes right. Oh can I tell you. Like she like the very first thing when she was like a to be a narrator or and we know we want you to be Meg Ryan. Ah like in fact. Let's change the line from Albania to I will be Meg Ryan your narrator. And she said Okay so my writing partner and I then blacker Ben acker those names not an order order. A lot of people think that they're ridiculous names because of how they are similar Meg Ryan said the best. Anyone has ever set them. She said them like Ben acker little after voice acting like Oh this is ridiculous but she enjoyed it was so everything was great great. She's still got. It does the Cape for God's sakes it does she live in the Cape She was just there at the time on vacation. And so you send someone to her to record her or did she pop into some from local mom and pop recordings and can you imagine just her coming in with our law say sitting down maybe getting a crab in special for lunch. What's crowd especially like Crab Salad? Yeah like seafood. Louis Yeah Yeah Yeah. That's org that's more west coast that it would be when this is something. Actually you're writing partner Fed me when I went to Cape Cod. No isn't a level. They did take me get lobster rolls but That was in the crab crab no it was like some sort of like stuffing with crowds shell. That's what the chefs making in the Little Mermaid where he stuffs those crabs. Yes what the heck was type song so Aben cut and run if out today on audible dot com. Check it out and you can get it for free if you have an audible subscription for. Hello you've been over the all star. Cast we have Sam Richardson and Darcy Carton. Rachel Bloom and Thomas Lennon Liar. Liar sick sick. A Alec Guinness isn't it. Oh my God and those were live but I I know because I was I was like maybe who am I to say at this point. The first five people you said are actually in an meg. Ryan's is literally in it now. bigly junior I want to know though does your therapists say I was a loser. Are we both loser no the therapists said the US. I sounds like you and your friend. Maria have a loser story but did he really said it. Sounds like you're hanging out with some loser named Maya he said this is some clinical term. He's coined it's when and you have. You're not a loser but you have a loser story that you how you present yourself a loser story or she's telling the world the world's world's loser store even though she's not a loser because we had very successful careers okay but who wants to know anyone who presents themselves as a winner. That's Ah I mean I think a lot of people think that's attractive. What do you think do you think it's I think especially for women? It's not necessarily helpful to have a loser. Story should monetize podcasting maybe flip it like we need this podcast. Networks worth a couple million dollars at at this point holding out. We're holding out. We've had offers court. We've had a couple offers from some time. A bunch of people who are like do you think you and now they're going to let it go there's a line of Silicon Valley Zuckerberg's out there in a stay hidden invented areas. And they didn't we are sitting on a gold mine with your Ios but anyway cut him run time. Check it out check it out now. Let's get to chicken out. That's that's that's how you get to listen to you. What are you scared? Oh dairy insperity chicken. Here's somebody listen to the audible series cut Enron then rate it on itunes. It can you do that. Is there like a little. I mean we're happy to do some cross Promo for you guys. If you WANNA send us a trailer though it would be a good idea. And then maybe Meg Ryan could plug plug us. Yeah you scratch our vet. So do you have a little bit when you want to talk about. Today I brought to and and I thought I would see which one I'll give you a vague Indication of the direction of each of them. And you can vote and there's no way the swollen okay. One is good if you are a crime. Kingpin and one applies more. If you're in a committed relationship Shen committed related relationship. Is it cheating. Yes if you have sex with a robot. This isn't little Ben. This is like a huge notes. A little robot. Oh you should hear the other ones. That was really ethically complex is it. She what okay. What level of robots a perfect like? They look no one can evaluate anything. Y- Yes yes I really do. It's a real you can turn it often throat matter. I think it's cheating to have sex with anything other than yourself. Masturbation isn't cheating but having having sex no mass rations. Great totally supportive if you're looking in the mirror because then you're gutter on you but like having Having sex with other stuff is cheating like robot or like a cantaloupe or a dry have an artificial hand. That's not cheating but that stuff now because it doesn't have a face ooh vegetarian cheating prostitute is something is is someone. Sorry I know it's twenty sex worker. It's twenty twenty. No but it's someone is someone that you hey for right they're not you're not treating them as quote unquote a human being. You're treating them as something you buy. It's like a transaction a transaction. Okay but that's okay. No that's bad that's as bad as the robot so you're saying a robot is basically a prostitute a sex worker. We'll all the robots in my house our Marine in here Roomba my room. Very what are we learning. I think it is cheating because especially if the robot looks human robot it looks like your partner and your town. Oh been no no. We don't hold on hold on hold on. Does this robot that looks. It's like my partner talk and act like my partner urges it just look like my partner which which which neither neither the. I'm asking what the robot in your mind is in my mind. Your partner has programmed it for you as a gift. Oh well then you're in an open. Relationship is an open relationship now. I know there's always some women out there who would say yes absolutely absolutely because I've got a headache I don't feel like having sex can just let my robot do it. And he's getting the same. You know probably better. So yeah. She's buying more fun no she's probably doing more than wait. Are you making a robot of you for your partner. Yeah A- and I say you know you're okay with that if if there's not seen by now I think any time there's a consent nine and then co like a conversation between the couple of like. Hey I'm going to have sex with his robot sometimes then it's not cheating then it's totally fine absolutely nothing wrong with that but I walked walked in and my partner was having sex with an Amanda Robot. I'd go I'd shoot them both shoot myself. What what if that answers? It's about concern is right and I do think as long as it's everybody's well it's not cheating if everyone's cool with it but it's a bigger question here is it's not that your partner made this robot for you. Whatever it's okay you're out of town and there's a robot saying hey hey baby come yeah? Hey big boy beep beep off. Let's get it let's get crazy BEBOP BEBOP And then okay simpler what if into. Rtd to beeps and boobs only and it doesn't ever face and it's just beep some boobs sure and it's just like it's just like a little like cylinder then then it's like a vibrator essentially like I am and I don't think using I think a robot that you're describing is like in place of a human whereas or the the robots that I think that are two D- Two type thing is just something for sexual pleasure. I think like I don't think there's anything wrong with like using sex toys but I think it's weird earlier. He said it was essential and I started. But I do think if it's like something that could Maria saying substituted human. I also the more probably the more you're having sex with like a robot or something of the like the less you're going it needs to have sex with your partner and I think that could be detrimental to a relationship unless you wanted to integrate the robot into like a three song or just a house guest it just signed. There's nothing brings together more than a than a nosy houseguests duprey. Yeah then I mean you you me and duprey free free movie. It was about sex right it was I think that robots with faces or whatever are and I think you're getting something whether you like it or not coming emotional reaction to that thing but if fits something without a face that it's just purely all right. I got I got when I needed. You know what I'm saying it. Has this helped you figure out what you're going to do. I'm not gonNA build the robots what do you think. What do you think Ben? I'm not an committed really it Yeah it depends on Consent agreements. I think okay but there's no agreement and an RTD to comes up to you but it's sexy art three D. R. to double D to talk to nuts then then if it's a sexy opportunity due to look it's whistle is a little higher. I think I respect my significant other too much to heart for that. Why still something? That's trying to tempt you and you know it's wrong. Yes of course but that's affairs. Don't don't pay no Charlton. Well actually I've never seen Hamilton anyway. Affairs don't Japan. I is that a song from Hamilton. It is the subject of a song. It's a yeah it's like wait. Have you seen my loved Kosta thing no yeah you guys are Joe Dawson Me Jolly do. We're playing with your jollies. We'll be right back. Actually we do need to before we take a break. We have to do our ask. So this is one. We demand that at our listeners rate review give us five stars Leave a comment. Tell your friends about the podcast and join our patriotic but we always have our guests can help you can help so you guys let me just set the scene. So Ben Acker. How Taller you? I'm six six six finally. Oh my extra. This guy is has a commanding presence. Thank you so. Let's hear you demand what you need. You know you need to join us. This has been anchor. Speaking for the pitcher came. Why don't you go ahead and do us? A solid rate subscribe review. You give it to five star treatment the Aereos any Aereos podcast but especially this one big ones. It's guys it would mean a lot to us over here in the In the patriarchy. If you adjust five-star positive review thumbs up Tell your friends your enemy your family at Thanksgiving instead of talking about whatever talk about this a couple months away bad and that's like this Maybe you're there for an Easter shore. Hit Her dinner buffet. Buffet Dinner Buffet. Whatever it is whatever average day Christian event that you have with your family instead of talking about the government more the The library? Yeah I talk about the library a lot to be honest with my family just anyone who will listen. Go worker the library. No but well we have work to the library. But I'm there. There is nothing. I'm more passionate about telling people that they don't need to pay for e books or audible books. HOOPLA HOOPLA overdrive There's one other one that I use. Sometimes it's all free. It's all free if you're anything like Maria out to get free content. That's all I do. You'll love this podcast that you're listening to let us know that you could give it all or two on a pellet on patriotic beyond you don't have to pay values on the Patriots Fan you're hurt. You're hurting them. Because get rid of pay pal. We're now let me chime in here because we've gotten some reviews garden some yes and they just wrote in great great great chicken tender. It's five stars. Shannon Hayes of Hollywood handbook are the boys. Amanda and Maria are the girls of podcasting. They work so well together. And you can't help but feeling like you're hanging hanging out with friends. That's so nice now. This this is one from Bev. Means e My favorite podcast blessed humor in Amanda for consistently putting out content of such high quality. Your report is hilarious and your discussions get me thinking thing about things I would never have otherwise pondered. I'm in a bit of a Rut right now but this podcast has helped me not feel so alone and for that I thank you well. Isn't that Nice now. Do you guys go by Marina. Amanda or Amanda Nria or doesn't matter just whatever anyone Maurienne Amanda. I think it's Marine Amanda. Well in our little mystery mystery show each to do on Youtube. Our theme song was our mind. Name's Amanda or my news. Maria in my name's Amanda I've God panda and I'd like to see the Marine Amanda. The Brand Amanda the Marine. Amanda Show Little Mysteries Cause I'm angry that you're not millionaires with a thing like that. Yeah we made that. Ah Bunk that you're not no it's crazy all know it's we're going to the van Goghs of our time we're we'll die and all of a sudden that theme song we'll see we'll top the chart. Yeah and then people will applaud us and and then our our family members will get all our money. Well yeah our estates. They'll have impersonators of us at Universal Studios. Hollywood it's not Florida. Oh No no no as Van Goghs is that you're like is there a tie in areas smart That's good branding. If there's nothing else it's that we can brand baby brand beatty Brad Disco Inferno you know you got to okay boy. Those Hollywood handbook guys are the boys or girls. Okay so we'll be back after this quick break whereabouts. What I know it was a quick break? I know okay. Are you ready and this is where we go crazy. We've got an Oscar worthy big one today. I don't think it is. It didn't get any arms. There is some buzz is. It's not it was it was all done glow okay. This is a golden globe level. Big One okay. Are we already yes offers you are. Okay okay okay okay the second go to your dark place yes Sarah Go. You have just learned that your beloved beloved grandmother has been diagnosed with a terminal disease however you come from a family and a culture where it's common common practice to not disclose terminal illness to the elderly when you travel home to visit your grandmother for what you know to be your last nice to ever visit. Do you break your family's traditions. An tell your grandmother that she is dying or keep this secret to yourself. Ford versus right that is Golden Globes as hell. Yes and this is coming in from A little movie called the farewell. Starring Aquafina Aka Nora from Queen Gene. That's right and from neighbors to which we worked on and she called us the cool. What did she does a hot writers? She said Hi. She called US hot. When did she you do what you said? Oh I got the OH I got the hot writers. Oh because they were helping our turtle college correct just took a pair of. Yeah but that's so cool. She called US hot. Yeah she did and now. She's the hottest thing since lay spread. Incredible the Hi yes. She's a hot baguette baby and we weren't hot when we're doing that because we were eating at least I was eating a ton of doughnuts while they always had them there and that was also the first time I've ever tried chick-fil-a because it would be like well I mean unless you're huge chicken sandwich guy. Like don't run out already so he's not going to now. The their whole thing is like a a bunch of people so we made the sandwich about it and be look. We put pickles and mayonnaise. Not even confident in the chicken needs to be. What do you want to dry chicken sandwich? Like to control my own mayonnaise and pickle. You can tell them well not going in there because they hit all those people yeah will you can go through the drive through I do I do. I go to stop by Chick-fil-a and then I go to hobby lobby and then these are just all the people how you got some good little trinkets though well there the day love love love to hate them gays. That's one of their posters. You can buy a chalkboard. Yeah so off the Bat. Are we telling grandmother the bad news or no. I'm not off the bat right now. I'm not so this tradition. That Europe holding is like it's it's like like generations down. It's like everyone has appointed this throughout your family. I Yeah I mean. It's a cultural practice. Let's just say that the protagonist aquafina aquafina lives in the states and to her. The seems weird. Yes if if this is a tradition going back in the family right and this is grandma who by definition goes back in the family. Her her thing would probably be that she doesn't WanNa no right. It's not like grandma's like I know the tradition. But I'm talking to you the last in the line so far as the one who might Bucket please if I'm ever dying slim your note. Yeah on the cute. He like unless that's happening. I like it feels like it's selfish. And a about the person telling as opposed to about the person receiving that interesting so what right right. What happens if someone has cancer and they just start really not feeling well and then the doctor told them but no this is? I think that's the whole thing like I think you know. In in America I think that they disclose it too well but but I I think yeah I think I think though I haven't seen the movie but from what I understand. They don't necessarily tell the person who's sick. They would have being checked out by Dr. Yeah and so is this. The loophole is that like you got checked out by Dr. Oh what what have I got what we can't tell you right. You're dying right if we could tell you then we can treat it and you're cool. You're up the nose like Oh we can't tell you You're saying that grandma basically no like at Grandma's should have a sense. What kind of seventy hours? What kind of three's company are you running and if you take grandma to a hospital and she doesn't find out what she's got? I know on hold on. Hold on let me just. Let's call this movie okay. Just I'm just going to read the little bit of the plot here so that we can have the so people don't write inigo you don't know it's no Stevie agee's out there screaming stereo chrome on aspiring hiring Chinese American writer. Billy Thirties maintains a close relationship with her grandmother who lives in China after receiving a rejection letter from the Guggenheim Fellowship. Billy discovers from her parents that her grandma has been diagnosed with terminal lung. Cancer is predicted predicted to have only a few months to live through deception and manipulation of medical test results. The diagnosis kept a secret from the grandmother. Herself legal legal. The grandmother isn't said falsely told that a recent doctor visit had only been benign findings. Is this an aunt may situation. Where like like? They're worried if she finds out that she has cancer. She's going to have a heart attack and die really. That is part of it that they think that if someone knows their terminally ill they might just give up. So that is part of the mindset of we're in America. Were very like everyone wants to know every single detail about their instead of a story. Billy expresses conflicted thoughts with her parents. Over the Chinese cultural beliefs the result in a family refusing to disclose such a life threatening disease with the matriarch. Okay so it just. It's it seems. Look the big thing here is like if you only had a few months to live would you. You want to know so that you could live out your life. Would you feel at the end if you hadn't been told that you were cheated out of your final months. But the mitigating factor is that that you grew up with a tradition where you are encouraged not to want to know right but you're never in the position the other person's always in the position of being the one dying you're saying like your your hypothetical is put yourself in the shoes of the person dying. Would you want to know right. But I'm saying those shoes are complicated. By the fact that traditionally and culturally. You don't want to all right so let's say let's lose that for a second just to play the hypothetical game and make us hypothetical advocate. So let's make it us but let's say because I think we're all we're all young so oh well we can play it both ways right now. We're just ourselves and you have a terminal illness and you probably only have a couple months to live with or without treatment and I'm not feeling well the treatment help me feel okay and I've only gone to one doctor and then it's it's like oh well let's just say off the bat. I A final a final opinion. The options are comparable. So there's not like you're not you're not feeling awful. You're feeling fine for now but would you. Would you want to know. Yes but what if you you have two months to live say and the first month you feel great and the second month you're GonNa feel terrible you treatment but you do you want to find out in that first you want to find out like the second that you're like ow why no doubt because also we're also young young that we would change what we're doing but if you're you're you're probably change well okay you gotta do these hard cash. I know there's a lot of city but what would you do with your if you had a month if I had a month. Well it just it's an I you know I don't know what I do. I'm sure I get another credit card. That would be I owe. Where does that go to? Your family doesn't matter I'm dead. It doesn't go to heaven with you. Oh what if it did I have. I have to start working a job to pay off my Bruce Almighty God had to pay off his debt. College loans. Yeah you have to become omnipotent college sixty bucks a week more than I'm getting just kidding God your services freaking all rolling over on his Asia he is. He's nagging. Ooh Me what's going on down there. Sorry just looking for a pen cap but I let me just say this. I The podcast to me right now as Amanda. I absolutely want to know because I also want to be involved in some of my end of life decisions and that I would want to start planning my death party now. I don't trust don't wear heck no although you would go to death parties and see which one do you like better let Maria plan one and you. I'm going to be dead but me okay. So He's planning a party for for after your death guiding. Yeah I got yeah I get that well I thought you were like what if I mean. This is what death party meant to me was guys. I'm dying let's have a party people do that as well and I. Maybe that's a better way to go but I think if I'm you know ninety nine years old. I don't think I would need the same need to know that I was dying. I I look around the corner so I don't necessarily I think it really changes. If you put yourself itself in the shoes of a Russian woman just died. She's the oldest woman the world giant like one twenty-seven seriously yeah I I think she ate a bad piece of shrimp or something like No. I'm kidding it's Russia. I don't know I'm sure she yes. One hundred injured in twenty seven but they also said that that was never verified her age so I don't know what to believe what she living independently. Or what was Living fierce. I I don't know I mean yeah for someone like that. I mean you just had a certain age you assume what age depends on your family right. Yeah the longevity in your family right either women. My family live usually well women in my grandma lived to be in her early eighty S. She didn't WanNa die young horrible. It was horrible it was terrible. Well let's get back but most people I think you know. Don't WanNa die. I guess we pick the ones that some people go go more gracefully than others. She died at one. Okay the woman. Okay they're not saying how she died. But I'm GonNa Guess Old Age Murder but yeah I think I understand okay. So in the in the farewell putting myself back into the the moral dilemma at hand Dan I it would be I would feel. I would maybe want to tell my grandmother to give her the opportunity to live out some last wishes like what does she had a bucket list that she wanted to check stuff off of. Well I would maybe do a like a run around or What do you call it when you sneak in the side? I go so grandma if you like like. Yeah I listen to this podcast. They were talking about those moral dilemma. Would you would you WANNA know. Would you blah blah. Oh boy and I'd go and then I'd get all of her answers and then I'd go accordingly to that I see and then you'd say well let's go to Disneyland. Yeah let's yeah yeah well let's go. Yeah wherever she wanted to go or whatever but you know if if you did that and she was like no I would not wanNA know. Then you'd be like an a story yes us. Let's not go to Disneyland because then you'll suspect that something is up. No but I'm sure that if someone had things on their bucket lists they would want to know and someone one who just was at peace with their place in her life would say no. I don't need to know so I think that would come with the territory of whatever they had answered. What's on your guys is bucket list? Is there anything No I don't think about I don't like to just like there's places I'd WanNa go and stuff but it's not like if I found out I was dying. I'd have to go somewhere. I thought it was a list of buckets. You're on sexual penn.. You guys. Don't listen to cut and run. It's he's sick he's a Sicko. Oh no no cutting anything out. People are gonNA cut out your plug for your run at the beginning. I'm I know you plug at the beginning. Because people notice skip at the end. Yes I know I do. They get wise podcast listeners. I always do it in the middle and so they know into skip right before the break. Oh you know what we should do is like An ask Russian Roulette. Let me put like some sort of like random timer on whenever it goes off. That's when we have to do the ASS And we do half of it then and the one big ass. Good thank you. Let's let's do a little play a play. Okay can you guys are you. You have time for a one act where may one of us is dying and the other two one of us knows that they're both of us know that they're they're dying and it does. The third one is dying over there. Don't know okay Who wants to be dying? Okay and then. Maybe we're both his nieces. Jenny Jamie okay. You know. You're on your uncle. Ben's yeah and where are your nieces or Jamie and Jenny Yeah and you figure out who okay you can tell well. Probably if I'm old dying. Uncle can't tell like they're interchangeable. What we're twins but fraternal all right? And why does as good one of US evil one speaks the truth. Okay and seem to my house else on Jenny. How are you on? Do you do feel good. I feel super good. You look really great. Yeah yeah so go ahead on the bench. Sorry let him talk. Sorry Jenny up. Just splint back into at the gym and I feel like the chance to hear that. It's working I love you uncle bed. Have I ever told you just how much Jenny you've meant to to Jemele Cement. She doesn't mean anything crazy. Giving it away us rush Jenny giving away nothing just that we have a special surprise for you today away volver. We're going to tell you now at it is okay so you know yes. Why don't you have a seeking to hand them feel fit as a fiddle and you know fiddles love to sit without any help uncle? Ben Say good yes sir great attitude. So I'm sitting Jenny. Jenny and I are GonNa take me to chew shaming argument. Take you to do something of your choice. You pick it anything something. You've always wanted to do that is as you know on your bucket list like. Let's go adventure today. We WanNa do that. What's your thing? You would wanNA do Monterey Aquarium. Okay yeah yeah no no no. That's totally cool. We might have to check flight times because we're into moines but thank you for yes anding and it's great here. He has thank you now. Let me ask you this uncle Ben. Shoot we're totally going to go to the aquarium. Yes we'll definitely definitely go. We have a private jet. Actually chartered air. Jenny's dating a cool Repor cool he's she's dating coolio. Oh yeah he's so nice. We don't listen really was uncles and coolio. There's a natural curiosity awesome there now. Let's just say like Uncle Ben. If like is that like the number one thing on your bucket list like what if you knew you were going to die like what would you do a strange hypothetical. That's strange. Why isn't it? That's right because we listen to podcasts. Called the big ones and we they are always talking about these crazy hypotheticals and this. This is just the one though I read the reviews. They're great and it's great. The podcast people say that Hollywood handbook is the boys. The big big ones are the girls and they'd be right. Yeah they're not going to let those people be men and women they're gonNA diminished highs. Both plays band come on article Uncle Babba time. Why what's going on you have to get to? The Gel might have taken to the private way surprise. I thought we was away. You'RE GONNA die. Where would you WANNA go to heaven? Okay and would you want to know you're going to having you wouldn't want to know why would I want to know that okay. Her face. Great shoot I dropped my papers. All my papers are flying around. What does this paper say? I'm going to shoot told you weren't paper. What a PAP- so Do you still want to go to the aquarium. Joe Wannabe Son for months. And how long have I got a couple days. Yeah couple days. Let's go see those Belugas. Let's get you in that much detail. Wail that is not aquarium is great I forgot forgotten all about my impending doom and seen actually it was when I really are. You serious did amazing you. ooh You'd never improvised before. Are you you though you improvise like in your day to day life like in a writer's room. That's isn't there Improv. Prov there are you looking at your phone. Listen I'm putting my hoop earrings next. Oh she was looking down she was saying it like she was preoccupied to take off my hoop earrings when I wear these headphones to hoops to hoops through it. But you're great improviser. Thank you I actually WanNa go whale watching. That is on my bucket list and to see the northern lights. Okay well I can. I know a guy that can make that happen tomorrow. They pretend we know the owner privilege. Is it coolio. He may know coolio. That's neither here nor there. Okay guys so let's your final our final l.. Verdict on this. I say I as me now. I'd WanNa know as as a you know if it was someone in my family I and this has been a tradition. It would depend. I would find a way to kind of like skirt the subject and be like. Hey what would would would you. Would you would know the personality. I would look past the tradition and look at the personality and then kind of you know Fish out if this was something I wanted to You know tell them or not. What Colombo? Yeah I had Colombo her ass so hard. I think I agree with you. I think me now. Yes I want to know but I think it was a the whole family was involved. I wouldn't think it was up to me to make that decision for the entire fan. Bright you know but it would. Oh you know you'd have to realize like our people not telling them be just because of tradition or is that something that they actually think is for the the best of the best thing to do for that person so my grandmother had an announcement once for the family where she was like. I don't like all these pills. They're all all making me. Go goofy in my brain so I'm going to stop taking them so come say goodbye if you want to think about how and so. I flew across the country and I said goodbye and she thrived served like all those pills were kind of working against each other and they like started over to figure out what she actually needed and she lived years and years past. Wow Wow that's great. Yeah but that's her choice but that was her choice. I like I also do you know. I think it's important that we as individuals have our own medical call. Have our own cells. How our choices when it comes to medical thing that is? It's a tough one. She went rogue. I love that that's great. And she had a little girl gang at the at the old age home she did ruled the her low crew. For making what would you do. Then I would obey the cultural dictates. I would love to find out. Love defended myself the Colombo but I feel like with either grandmother. You're talking about with the children that they had have scenario. There'd be enough conversation about it that that decision would be above my pay grade You know what I'm saying lawyers it out between themselves about what everybody wanted. Oh so you're saying the grandma would have have it in writing that she wouldn't. I'm saying that if if there was a conversation to be had about it that she and her spouse and children would have had that conversation like for years and years. Okay well. That's a loophole. Amanda Loophole Police. Yeah yes or no no okay well legal. Well Amandas a loophole police. And she finds if you're making loophole. Aw I am. Loophole loophole security hired security. Yeah I've been a lot more lenient on loopholes. Because as I get older I see things less black on white. Yeah but what he's doing is adding to the scenario. Yeah you can't there's there's no. There's no legal paperwork here. Legal Paperwork I was saying Lord Weird Al Argue it out and have the conversation. People haven't talked. It's just a thing in the family. The family is a tradition and that tradition is coming down to me last as the latest member of the family. I see I respect. The wishes of the people who for whom the tradition isn't thank you thank you thank you for playing our game. Honey Spinner board everything about well the alike. What's in this tax? ooh Charcoal Pencil. ooh Coal Pencil okay. So now what we do. Is We do a listener. Big One so we ask them one no. They wish wish the recent we would love that. We're GONNA do a call in show at some point Amanda I'll read it or do you want me to send it to you okay. I'll just read. Amanda usually reads it but maybe today is a special day. Yeah dear big ones. That guy lifted the computer so I could see. It's magic hi. Amanda Amanda Maria and guest. This is a moral quandary between me and my sister which has been going on for almost a year now to set up the situation you know how almost everywhere you go and look for Wi fi networks. There's always one called xfinity which looks public but you actually need a password for it so a few years ago through a friend of mine of a friend. I happen to get my hands on a password. This up a little more. I happen to get my hands is on a password which lets me use those networks and I have not paid for Wifi since I guess I'm sort of stealing Wi fi but honestly I'm not totally clear on how it all works if anyone along. The chain is getting charged for my reckless usage of victims. Sorry let me say that again But I'm not totally clear on how it all works and if anyone along. The chain is getting charged for my reckless usage of victimless crime. Maybe the issue arose when my sister was visiting me for a week and an ask for my Wifi Password. I elected not to give her the password since. I'm not really sure how this whole thing works anyway. And maybe if too many people people are in on my griffiths whoever is actually paying for it will get wise and change the password leaving me Wi fi less. She claims that if I invite someone to stay at my place yes I have a duty to provide basic creature comfort to my guests. I really don't think Wi fi counts basic necessity especially considering being. Our parents are still paying our phone bills. And we're on a plan with unlimited data. Do I have a duty to let anyone who stays on my place into my possibly stolen Wi fi network doc. Much love a gifting sister. ps by the same argument. My sister also says I have to buy her a towel or bathrobe to keep it my place this for her. I only use tiny micro fiber towels after I get out of the shower because I hate doing laundry and I'm not trying to do a whole extra load of laundry for just take those losing and I am incredulous. How old is this? I four also like we live in California save water am I wrong for not catering to her arguably more conventional lifestyle when she visits me should I treat gusts. It's like people. Well listen. Do you have a question for the person who wrote in. Do you want your sister to come visit you. Do you want people to come visit you and stay with you if so you need to provide these things for them right. If you're trying to get into never come visit. You still have a spare towel people that you want to come from visit you. I think I think invest in for towels go to target okay. That's fair invest in four towels for guests. And then that's one you know your guest guest. That's you're not wasting that much water. I it's a cop out like the the water like WanNa save water so I'm not going to give my guest towel. Oh Yeah Yeah you're justifying now lead host. What about the Wi Fi? Okay now the Wi fi I in my mind I was thinking. It's a Freebie. V8 How lucky you lucked out like this Freebie. But I do think it's just bad Juju on your day to day feel living like this I think as an adult who hopefully is moving toward financial independence. You need to get proper proper Wifi at your house now. Let's say she doesn't get proper Wifi and the sister comes and goes. Hey what's your wifi password. Word does she is Wi fi a creature comfort. That isn't that US. I believe so and I think you can watch TV. But only the channels I pick for you know giveaway. Well I guess ministers response would be would be like. What do I need to get cable just because my you know it also you have Wifi so I think what you can do is put the password in your sister's phone and then before she leaves say forget this network? What what we well? She just doesn't want to many people using it at the same time but her she has like she found like a sneak around for for all of Xfinity or the xfinity that is in her apart. Piece is claiming that this xfinity works everywhere. Unbelieving needs to know that password problem. Yeah well I think that if your sister is coming to stay with you. Here's here's here's what goes on in the future. I think you as the host either need to make those arrangements of like having Wifi or whatever now. If you don't do that this is has also your house okay. So if you don't want houseguests that's on you. Fine whatever so your sister needs to know. Hey if I'm going to my sister's place she's not going to have this this and this because she doesn't care here about me or whatever it is but it's the most of your sending messages sending and you have to accept people as they are. You can't change them so your sister if she's coming to stay with you has to from now on no. I'm not GonNa get what I wanted my sisters. That's too bad. I'm sad look you can come. Stay with me an old pillow but not a pillow case to bring your own pillow right. Because I don't want to do the laundry of it but I just think part of growing up is learning to to adapt to people and there are in. That's a good thing that doesn't mean you're losing your identity. You know this is just this is going to make your life easier because say you'll good for schirn you have business halts being gracious Being a gracious host be you know it's only going to help W to pay for your own Wifi and to invest in four towels from target. It seems like this. The sister with the house is very much going like. I don't really want to stay here. Yeah and if that's the case then you should just let your sister know that like. I think you'd be better at a hotel when you come visit. Stay in a hotel. Yeah because she'd be getting towels all the Tulsi warm bed. Why the West five jurors? There's well I don't know what she's she doesn't seem to be offering much. Yeah and and I think it's time that all of you move tord getting off your parents paying for your phone bill as well. Yeah I understand. My parents paid for my phone bill. A little too long your parents pay from one phone bill through this day and I appreciate it but the moment I finally made full financial independence I got married. Phaser pitchman feel real. You feel really good. Yeah Yeah Yeah you do now. Why am if she doesn't look Wi fi is an important porton? Sing for a lot of people's jobs and everything so you need to you know if it was like you're stealing cable that you watched like once in a while like oh there's a show on. HBO That I you know. Watch once in a while. I'm like okay you know steal that. It's a Freebie take it but if it's when you're using every day all day or whatever pay just pay for it. Yeah Yeah I think so you gotta let your sister use it. I think you'll free your mind up. I think you won't be so anxious I don't know if you are but I think you might be. Yeah and then and maybe get wi fi at your house and every once in a while while you're out you need to connect to some xfinity then you can use your free but I just think like entity war. Yeah AH business. Is it part of a rowing through and this is only you have to be a flexible human. If you're going to be able to hold down relationships okay. We have to adapt to one another in this world. The fight the fiber gloss. What is it called micro fiber towel? Yes you know. That's not gonNA gotta fly forever with whoever maybe you you end up with. How good is it gonNA feel? She got herself a big fluffy towel. Yeah I know and now the one thing I think the sisters being a little bit ridiculous about the bathroom. No that's the thing that's when I'm like if she wants certain things but but then not yeah I do have to step back and go well. She also doesn't you know there's no towel for right so she needs bathrobe is a is a step too. Far seems reasonable until bathroom bathrobe. You Sister Yeah Yeah I personally can. She can towel is it is for the guests all all of them. Yes it's if you were a guest in someone's house near like here my guest bathrobe you'll be like yeah well unless it was white and you bleached it out every time you know and it was a nice. I need to get a new. I love my bathroom but I went into getting right over there a man. Oh No. That's my today because I've got my big jacket on good well. I hope that helped. Please really fun I a give and thank you for writing. I know we haven't got into this yet. But so where can people listen to cut and run audible cut and run. It's there it's I am an ardent audible subscriber. You can just listen to it. It's it It's an option for you and if you aren't an uncle. Subscriber Cohen Subscribe to a Free Week Week. Or something you got or you probably have free week code somewhere over that. 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Filmcast EP52 - "Outside" (Contains Spoilers)

The No Budget Filmcast

12:35 min | 3 months ago

Filmcast EP52 - "Outside" (Contains Spoilers)

"The welcome to the no budget. Indie film cast where we dip into the independent film universe to highlight those little films. The you might not hurt about elsewhere. We agree with our panel or will our panel agree with each other tune into find out. My name is milo denison and with me as always are my most. Excellent co-hosts claire milan. Hello in cal- fini hello today audience. We are looking at a film called out side just outside. I wanted to sail side in. But it's not. It's outside starring. Amy acker and james carpenter mellow had a husband and wife team who got together during the corona virus and decided to make themselves a film. Amy plays a woman who is Being forced to stay at home from a kind of unforeseen latino they kind of implied might be a monster alien invasion it might be a plague or something but something that is killing people when they leave their house and it tends to go after women more so than men and so her husband played by james can actually leave the house on occasion and go get supplies and bring them back to her but she's actually forced to stay inside all the time in not allowed to like open the windows or anything in so we kind of see this going on and then she sees a neighbor across the way who leaves the house for a minute and gets back inside and she kind of starts to wonder well. Hey wait a minute. Is this really something to be scared of. Or is my husband perhaps Playing a little trick on me in that is pretty much the plot of the film. What's nice about this is the shot at during the coronavirus in its amy and james filmed it on an iphone and did everything themselves. I think they had. They sent out for ethics. They had somebody else edited and do some other a work to obey fully shot themselves and you do notice it when you're watching it like the shots in front of the window where the windows. Very blown out and The sound you can tell us a bit echo at times and stuff but As a as do it yourself home project. I thought it turned out pretty well. Hey my no yes claire. How much does it cost us to host. Podcast it's free free. Yup one hundred percent. No chuck we use inker dot. Fm anchor is a super easy way to make upon cats for example besides offering free hosting they offer other services such as creation tools that we can use to record the show on a phone or computer and not only. Do they do all that. They automatically district on gas sports. So it can be heard on spotify apple podcast and many more impressive. And there's more more. Yes more most podcast. Advertising services require each episode out thousands of downloads for sponsorship with anchor users can make money from podcasting with no minimum listenership. Well everything needs to make a podcast in one place. You sure is all you need to do. Is download the free ankara inker. Fm guess starting it was interesting idea fairly well known actors aren't they i personally amy's Was in a show called who i know her from. I watch that. It was like buffy spin off and And then she was also in cabin in the woods which possess a pretty good movie. So she's done a bit. And i think he's mostly a stage actor. I've never seen him before in my life. Yeah and they're married apparently Yeah i think he broadway actor and he's done television was yeah. It was interesting It is perfect for our no purchase channel because it is no budget. you know. it's something that they did all themselves and Is interesting. I was like. Oh yeah this is like a kind of hadn't ride stay until the end. That film this during the coronavirus didn't realize so i didn't i went up the actors in the end so it is eight. Just come across a very low budget like dwindles. Bono's and some parts of Memory minor someday shoes and and It's and it was interesting that they did to make bird to keep people. Special effects have was a scene lobbies detective stories. At first. i thought. Oh god is a no. It's it's A month straight New a three. Let me try to protect your point. It kind of turns on cut. This was all about domestic violence especially when he would never use the phone. She couldn't find her phone was smashed. this underway and then when Towards the end when she did get and there was something you know. Take all clear what will happen at the end. When that happens. I was like okay. Okay yeah it's weird. Because it's just it's one that it obviously. He's made for no money. I do i do. I admired him. I it wouldn't be like like was stay with chair. And are you know that would move yet but you would moment thought. Oh god. this is a domestic violence situation. My my kind of joint and then like you even though the title says on youtube anyway. Twenty twenty in brackets. I didn't really pay much attention to that. And then i started watching it. And i kinda tell. I will just such an obvious. Kobe allegri it has to be has to be made in june during the pandemic has has all kind of the same ideas like that. This is sort of mysterious illness on illness Laid and our during lockdown. And she's like a skeptic about who who's skeptical about whether it exists or not and and he's he's convinced that it has on any take seas more extreme measures to make her stay inside an uneasy. Do the point is is that to wonder. Okay is always going to go in it. Just keep you guessing is. Is it something more sinister going on here. So we find out at the end. But ultimately the new numa comes down to whether or not directories at covert believer or cova tonight. I think but As you say like it is just a moment is a great example of what you can do in in. The pandemic was a lot of people involved individual things if you look at credits. Yeah yeah. I mean it was if you think about it but in regards to the camera work. They did all that themselves. So yeah so good job to them of like setting it. You know doing the scenes and gino getting enough camera movement. And and that kind of stuff which i thought was kind of impressive. Yeah they attach their iphone and ipod or something or or to a to a tripod in some way it is a myself the at the end and it was filmed themselves besides the rest of the facts. Yeah you do admire admired like you know they wants to do something the But yeah it just shows you or you can do any concrete a decent. You know with very despite doing stuff your stuff like this absolutely bonkers i would have. I'm something to do with it. But the standard of the filmmaking making rising but in order to to to to to be invested in the face of character you have to really get to know them of it. You know you have to be able to relate to them. Either way i never do. We never really get to know these people. You're you're kind of jong in under in this set of this kind of panicky stefano And filaments like that that i think it's probably mature for particularly because they don't get enough time to really gonna get to know the people so you're not really overly invested in what happens to them and i think you lose a bit of tension dram. Yep i i agree. And that's kind of one of the criticisms. I had as well and i was just looking while you were talking in. Its sixteen minute film so you know in short film time. That's reasonably long but obviously not feature film to get to know the character. So so i agree i would have liked to get to know them a little bit more To fill a certain level of empathy for them that i think somehow they could have like worked at in just a bit more. I agree with in that criticism. Yeah i was kind of everything looked so sterilize. It would seem to be no objects. No it is a personal objects abused Super clean super white looking when they did expand much that with her as a character where she was cleaning. A lot is kind of like a coping mechanism or something on the the cove analogy. Were when when when covid started to happen. Stores were people. Were buying gallons of bleach. Sterilizing their homes in that kind of stuff. So there's that association as well but very white much in doubt is there s. I know very boring house if it is something like it kind of makes you feel uncomfortable. Just the sticker An antiwar black the whole time as well and it was interesting because she was looking across the way and she couldn't expel a mirror image of recitals is. Is this that certain to go crazy. Let lose it a bit. That's being kept. Yeah you want to read it here. I tell you what. I take on board all the still gonna give it less than three. I'm going to give it two and a half. And i think that's really it's really because of the what i mentioned earlier that you don't really really above invested in character in the story and you kind of leaves you flush at the end so you two and a half or i totally agree if it kind of yes. I don't particularly like these type of films. It wouldn't be my cup of tea and yet there's i wouldn't stay with dj afterwards and it definitely lacking something possibly script- Again like you Floss so i give it to stairs. Yeah i totally agree. I kind of feel the same way. I was leaning towards a too. But i'm gonna bump it to three just because i impressed with just the proof the two people can you know. Make something decent with we themselves on their own winston at home but in regards to story did diddley. Meaning that i mean it's if i were just reading it on store at might even go like a one one and a half star story there really is. I bumped it up from soon. Have that's that's it. So i was leaning towards the two as well but I'll be nice. i'll give them through. I'm feeling nice today. Plus i like. I like amy acker to like The stuff that she's done she she's just a nice mess actress venison if a if a method of pretty private absolutely yuki. Nobody film cast audience. If you agree with our assessment of this film which we will of course throwing to the notes so you can have a watch. Let us know on social media go to twitter. Instagram facebook search for at no budget show. And that's where you will find a slow you know. Let us know which think and with that we will say stay tuned to see what we are watching next week and see you next time.

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How to Tell if You're Dying, With Cardiologists Chris Kelly and Marc Eisenberg

The Upgrade by Lifehacker

48:01 min | 2 years ago

How to Tell if You're Dying, With Cardiologists Chris Kelly and Marc Eisenberg

"Hello and welcome to the upgrade the podcast from the team at life Acker where we help you improve your life one week at a time. I'm Melissa Kirsch editor in chief of life Acker, and I'm Alice Bradley life. Hackers deputy editor search day. We're talking about how to tell if you're dying cheery topic right Alice a real day at the beach, Melissa the show today is called how to tell if you're dying. But in reality, it could also be called how to make sure that you're living. We spend a lot of time worrying about death about our own and the deaths of those that we love so today, we're going to look a little closer at sickness and death. We're going to look at our deeply held fears the sumptious about dying and see if we can lessen some of our anxiety about it. I talk with cardiologists Chris Kelly and Mark Eisenberg their patients come to them with millions of different ailments. But the one question that patients ask them most often, regardless of symptoms is am I dying? Yes, we all are unfortunately sorry to break. The news. The question is when Ben zen monk koshen PayLess talks with us about how we think about death and dying how he can give care without becoming emotionally spiritually depleted and how in talking with people who are dying. We learn a lot about how to live the mazing of working with the dying is the privilege of that. And the messages are so consistent. Thank you never hear someone say on. So glad I was so crazy busy all those years. And of course, we finish this week as every week with our own deaths. Kidding? We finished with our upgrades of the week. And now it's time for the interview where we interview someone this week we have a consultation with Columbia University cardiologists, Chris Kelly, and Mark Eisenberg, Chris and Mark are the authors of the new book, am I dying a complete guide to your symptoms and what to do next? Thank you so much for being here. Chris and Mark thanks for having us. First question Alice. Am I dying? Yes. We all are unfortunately, sorry to break the news. The question is when most people think either it's much sooner than likely to be or much much farther off in the future than likely to be. I think you've gotta come to terms with what you've got left. Okay. All right. Good answer. Oh, I know Dr X me out a little. I guess what? I'm saying. You, you know, most of the time the people that we see in the office there. Okay. Many of the symptoms people experience or not as life endangering as they think on the other hand people who are perfectly healthy and not worried about their lives at all often acts like they've got a thousand years left, and they're not taking the very simple steps to to keep them living as long as they actually should. So what made you right, am I dying? What inspired? You is the question that people really wanna know, I think as physicians people come to us, and they have most of the time some new symptom that they've been experiencing, and they don't really know where it's coming from or more importantly what it means. And you hear all these crazy stories about someone who blew off a cough for two weeks. And then they had stage four lung cancer, all these horrible things. And even though those are extreme cases, no one wants to be that person. That was just oblivious to this problem. So people come in just trying to understand how to contextualized what they're experiencing. And thankfully, most of the time. We can tell them that they're fine as we say in the book, they can just take a chill pill for themselves, a cocktail. But it's hard, you know, for a non medical person to understand that. And you know, as healthcare becomes more expensive and more difficult to get our findings are that people really want to see someone about their symptom. But it's it's hard for them to do it. It's expensive and there's an easier way. And that's sort of what led to us writing this book. Yeah. I think a lot of people now in the age of this information people want to partake in their own medical care. And the first thing everyone does is Google their symptoms. And that we joke in you know, we joke in our book like where deductor Google to medical school. And the problem is there's so much misinformation out there, and I think people don't know, what's real what's not real. And for every symptom. You know, there's the benign nurse more scary. And it's just too hard. When you're actually going online and googling symptom to know what you have. So our our premise in the book. Is to actually go through chapter. And actually, you know sub categorize when you could actually relax when you should make a doctor's appointment, and then the emergency when you should call my one one or go go to the ER, and what kind of vetting. Did you have like with lawyers? Publishing the book. I'm just curious because we should have. And obviously, you're confident in the advice that you give but you're not actually seeing patients, and so how did that work? I mean, it's impossible to capture every nuance. And we explained in the introduction to the book that we make the general assumption throughout that you don't have a chronic disease related to this symptom, and we can account for all the million other factors that go into something. But for the most part most people coming in with a symptom who have this additional feature are going to be fine. Whereas most people who have this additional feature need to get checked out urgently. There may be people in the book who have a flavor of a symptom that we don't account for at all. But I think ninety five percent of what doctors see we cover in some way. And we try to couch it in the appropriately tempered, disclaimer language when necessary more sells out of trouble one thing just to add we both acknowledge a book cannot replace healthcare provider. Right. You know book is not a nurse book is not a physician a book is not a physician assistant. So a book can't replace it, and it sort of guide reference somewhere to turn to that. Hopefully, you can trust about symptoms that people might have that aren't addressing a book. We actually have a website called mixon dot com. And actually, it would be exciting for us. Once the book comes out, if people send us all their symptoms that they have that. They don't think are addressed in who knows book to we could refer to those what are the the main fears people come to you with what we're cardiologists. So the number one thing we deal with his chest pain. And you know, the odds that you're dying are not negligible. If you have new onset chest pain. So we go through this routine with every patient. We see who has complained to help them figure out whether it's from their heart or from something else gas and gas a stomach ulcer pulled muscle. A blood clot in their long's, a tear in the auto, which is the big blood vessel coming out of the heart. You know? There's there's lots of things that are possible causes that range from the complete. Benign to the life threatening. You know, the book has a chapter on chest pain. We try to lay it out for people sort of what those different presentations, look like and how you can figure out which is the most likely explanation, but but that's a good one. And that's one that people should be concerned about because you know, if you blow it off in your wrong, the stakes are pretty high another very common symptom people have as palpitations or fluttering chest, which I don't wanna make a blanket statement. But in general, it's pretty they're pretty benign most people have them, and they usually are nothing to really worry about. But that's another reason why a lot of people come to cardiology feel fluttering in their chest and their positive that for some reasons. Gonna mean, they're gonna have a stroke or a heart attack within the next twenty minutes or they're not. Most of the time. No, right. The other day. I got a new Fitbit because my fifth keeps breaking and I have become so many steps that it just exploded. I wore it out, but I was obsessing for a day over my heart rate, and I'm wondering how many people you have coming in who have gadgets like the Fitbit or the apple watch or something else who thinks that they have something wrong with them because of the data that they're getting from their gadgets, and she haven't really had many patients worried about the heart rate from that strangely. I've had a lot of patience very worried about their blood pressure because they borrow someone's blood pressure machine or a cuff, and they take their blood pressure. And they need to emergency. See me, I just came back from a job. And I check my blood high actually a lot of doctors offices don't even know how to really take people's blood pressures. You know, I mean the way to really take someone's blood pressure. I mean, just quickly is you know, you're supposed to relax in the room. For three minutes. You know, not just take it when you've run into a room and sat down you're also supposed to make sure the cuff fit you. There's definitely does many different size cubs. So if they're using a small cuffing some over the muscular fat arm, it could totally overestimated. So in terms of data that people collect at home a lot of times, it's the blood pressure. Yeah. The high rate is becoming pretty common to imagine the fit bed and the apple watch. And then up we'll watch even allows you to get electric cardiogram or g by putting your finger on it. So not only getting your pulse rate, but you're actually getting an electrical signal from the heart. Apple claims that by doing this. They can screen for abnormal heart rhythms. So I think this is like a step towards a ton of user data being collected and people are gonna come to their doctors with it. And doctors really don't have a lot to say about it right now. Really? I mean, you know, if you find that your Fitbit shows that your heart rate jumps to two hundred for a few minutes, you know, a couple of times a day. Something that should definitely be checked out. But if you go to your doctor and say that your heart rate seems to be in the eighties and nineties, and you read that it'd be better to be down in the seventies. That's sort of all in the range of normal. And even if it is true that healthier people on average have slightly lower heart rates. There's nothing, you know, other than more exercise that we can really recommend to get there. I think it's great when people as they said before partaking their medical care of the problem, as you wonder some of these things if they somehow force healthcare providers to order unneeded unnecessary tests. So if you were to come to my office, seeing your your heart rate jumps up and down most doctors or nurses would say let's put a monitor on you for twenty four hours and see what really happens, but the truth is if I get a good history from union normal examine a normal electric or degrom. You don't even need that monitor. Right. And what's the problem with doing a monitor? It's you know, it's like a lot of people also want like ultrasounds of their neck to look for plaque in their carotid arteries and one at a four times. We'll see like Najah on there. Thyroid or lymph node. And then it it just makes you go down this whole path of like ordering unnecessary tests, which also freak people out to see I want like a full body scare I wanna see everything. Don't why don't you just do it for fun. Haven't had an MRI doctors. Never even go to a doctor. Doctors are the worst patients by far never seek medical attention. Even if you know, you have a partial amputation, it's hard for a doctor to get the motivation to go to the hospital. You say this kind of like, you're a cowboy or things Toco, he's actually my patient. He hasn't been you haven't come back in three years or parallel beds. Paid copayment payment. But that's the problem with a lot of people want exactly what you're describing. They want the full body Marin every blood test and the book, but the problem is as Mark says you find stuff when you do that. Let's get rid of because modern technology is getting so great that. Now, the Emirates we have in the cat skins find dots on every party our body that the one the cat scans and Emory's twenty years ago. Didn't probably things we don't know what to clinically do them. Yeah. It's all comes to the whole debate about screening versus not screening. I mean screening is great. If you're gonna find stuff that's not gonna make people nervous will that's actually going to cause harm. If you leave it alone, you'll find if you do a scan like that you'll find a lot of incidental findings that probably would not do anything to you ever. But we're still sort of understanding what's dangerous on the scan. What's not dangerous what we can ignore? What we have to pursue. So you'll end up getting a lot of tests that that go nowhere. And it's for something that probably would have been benign anyway, prostate cancer screening is a good example of this. And there's such a heated debate about prostate cancer screening because you know, when men used to routinely get rectal exams when they saw their primary doctor routinely, get their prostate blood levels checked, no matter what they found a lot of abnormal things. And then it would lead to an invasive biopsy and all these other tests, and sometimes people would end up getting surgery, and they sort of realized in retrospect that a lot of those cases probably didn't need anything. And that, you know, even if there was a true cancer. There would be so slow growing that it wouldn't change the person's life, and there's similar debate that goes on round mammography and breast cancer. And you know, those are real things that people already know about if you get this whole body scan you're gonna find little things in your adrenal gland or in your liver. And then you're going to sort of go down this path that will lead to a lot of additional tests. Even though you probably would have been fine. If you'd never known about it in the first place are. Our job is doctors are to make people live longer and to make them feel better. Okay. So we do screening test some people that have nothing to do at longevity. And then make you so nervous and say, you know, we found a dot here. So we're going to do is get a follow up scan in six weeks. You're gonna spend the next six weeks like not sleeping. Yeah. We're going to actually make you feel worse. So that's what you have to realize has a doctor. You don't wanna make people feel worse. We try to take care of the whole patient and a lot of it is to psychology behind what's going on in their lives. But if you're sitting there, and, you know, writing your will because they found a dot and said come back in six weeks, you know, and then after that six weeks, they say, oh, you know, it's exactly the same. But why don't we check it? Now in three months, you know, in your fine, then three months or say, it's exactly the same. Why don't we wait six months and check it again by then you're going to be like just take out whatever organ that was who needs that long? You even need a liver. As it turns out. And another thing along those lines is DNA testing just becoming super popular about that. Yeah. You know, you see ads on TV for ancestry and twenty three in may. And and people are doing it in large numbers. But from a medical standpoint, you don't really know what to do with a lot of that information screenings only helpful if there's an intervention that can follow it that will then lower your risk again. Otherwise, just knowing right? You know, it's not like you get this test back, and it's like actually you're going to be dead in five years. And there's one hundred percent chance that you might change things. If you've got that information, but having a slight incremental increase in your risk of some long term thing that may be decades away. Like what what do you do with that information? I think part of the reason why everyone goes online and tries to search for information stuff is because we all want to sort of take control over our or health. But the best thing to do is do things that you can know the will make a difference like exercise where sun block, you know, eat healthy. I mean sort of spending four hours trying to get scans wanted to do things that that we know work like go to the gym and walk on a treadmill five times a week for thirty minutes. That's a lot of effort, but that's actually putting in your effort taking control over your life. And actually having a likely good outcome. We told our readers that. We were having you on the show them to give us their secret fears about whether or not they're dying dying of and here are some of the comments, we got from safari Kate. I am constantly afraid. I'm having a heart attack. Whenever I have any sort of pain in my chest since women symptoms can be different than men's. I'm not really sure what heart attack would actually feel like for me. Luckily, I've never had anything that rises to the level of pain that would probably happen during heart attack, either that or worried it might be a blood clot that migrates to my brain and causes an aneurysm so far Kate I'm sorry to hear. This sounds very stressful. But a couple of people talked about that. How they no yeah. Of course, no enough that they know women symptoms can be different. But they don't know. What's this is interesting? Right. So the medical community in general is trying to increase awareness of life threatening diseases among the general public, right? So there's a lot of education public health initiatives around teaching people that women who have heart attacks can present with typical symptoms, and we do that. Because we want them to know that something serious could be happening in that they should seek medical care. But the flip side of that is that it's hard to capture a lot of nuance and a fifteen second TV ad, and so everyone now thinks that they're having these things like a lot of your readers. It sounds like as a doctor. I think that when a patient comes in with chest pain or any other symptom a couple of things that you consider right off the bat before you even ask about the exact nature of the symptoms number one. Who is this person? Right. Is someone who is likely to be having a heart attack or not just based on their medical history? Right. So if you're a. A thirty year old woman with no medical problems who takes no medicines. It's possible you're having a heart attack. But it's very unlikely. Whereas if you're an older, you know, let's say you're in your sixties or seventies. You have high blood pressure high cholesterol? Then right off the bat. You know, a heart attack is much more likely. So the next thing is to think more about the symptom itself. Right. So if somebody's having a heart attack, the most typical presentation is like a pressure like pain in their chest. Like, we talk about like an elephants sitting on your chest unrelenting. It's constant. It gets worse when you exert yourself because your heart is pumping harder, and it's becoming more starved of blood heart attack. Pain can go from the chest up into the neck or down the arms, but for a general person out there wondering about this. I think one again, recognizing your risk, which we don't always address in the book and to the additional nuances of the of the symptom, which the book does address in great detail. So you understand, you know, if your symptoms get worse. When you raise your hands. Or twist your body. It's probably muscular if it gets worse when you sorta lay down at night or after a meal, it's probably acid reflux if you just had a long cross country trip. And now, you're also short of breath and having chest pain, you've got to really think about a blood clot going to the lungs. And that's the kind of thing that can't be described in two sentences like, you know, in a tweet, which is how a lot of people like to get their information now, but you can explain it in two pages. And that's what we try to do in the book, but you hear these stories right about like, you know, woman totally healthy Forty-five has like nausea thinks she's got a stomach virus and ends up. Definitely happens. Yeah. It it definitely happens. So what does people tell me? No one rule, I think that's going to capture everything and definitely like a forty five zero one with no risk factors whatsoever. Who has totally typical symptoms could be having a heart attack. But ninety nine point. Nine nine nine percent of the time. She's not, you know, I think that anytime you have a symptom. That's totally new and it's not going away. And you know, you really scared. It's always worth just reaching out to somebody. He'll calling your doctor if you have one maybe even visiting an urgent care center. If you really really worried, but you know, I think that resources like ours can help you sort of have the initial context and and help you move forward. The more interesting question is that women make up more percentage of the population of men wire their symptoms considered atypical? Thank you comment. All right. Well, you're going to be challenged by next one weird one. Okay. By bending it bidding at. Bending at sometimes out of nowhere. Get a small bump that looks like a mosquito bite on my face. It happens randomly swells up to to about half the size of a dime. And sits there for maybe two to three minutes before subsiding. It doesn't it is insensitive to touch in all honesty, I can't fill it at all. Over minutes comes and goes within minutes. Yeah. It's definitely serious. Actually sounds like an allergic. I was gonna. I was gonna. Yeah. Something you know, that's sort of an allergic response to something. That's really the time course for like hives than something along those lines. So I would wonder if that was it if it was just an isolated lesions once dot in the same spot that would be very unusual acne. Well, yeah. But not for women. For. What I would do who was been Bob. Insulting. What I do is try to keep a little diarrhea on days. It happens. What you ate drank prior to that fall, you know, even reaction to strawberries, or it could be a reaction to something else you're eating or drinking. So at this point, it's like people with palpitations at come every few months or something trying to think of what you ate or drank that day, or if used to different soap to try to figure out if there's any correlation from Kodak thick is it common for people's mood to be positively altered sometimes significantly after a bowel movement because that's what happens to me. Yes. Oh, did I into it too quickly? Also, sometimes my sinuses Claire immediately before after pooping, so it's common for people's mood to be positively altered after taking down. Well, that's not the medical term is anyone's mood not positively altered after taking -freshing about moving. Lated afterwards. Incontinent? In all seriousness. Of course, it feels good to unload, but there is also sort of something else happening. I guess I would I would say to respond to that number one percents of relief after having a bowel movement so people with your bowels of the defining features is so significant pain discomfort right before a bathroom, and that's relieved by the bowel movement, in rare cases made worse. So if they really if they're joy is the absence of pain that meant that would be more like Tobel syndrome, and then meanwhile, they're sinuses clearing. I guess may bearing down how the name so there's a tube that runs from the middle ear into the throat on both sides called the station to that's what equalize is the air pressure in the middle ear to the outside world. And when you're going up and down and elevator. That's what's popping open and causing your years to pop so I guess if you're really bearing down hard, and maybe pinching your nose. He's popping those open. I think. Better person speak to their regular doctor. They're you know, they go to a gastroenterologist about irritable bowel syndrome because there are a lot of psychological exiled and depression that go with a lot of these syndromes I have one. Yeah. Go for it. I brought this to my doctor. And she didn't think it was a big deal. Every few minutes lose vision. Thing that has been happening for several years where sometimes my blood pressure's normal when I stand up too quickly. Sometimes my legs will have like a tremor in them, and I'll feel sort of like out of it Spacey. And I can sometimes even see my legs trembling, and it elast for like fifteen seconds and disorder have to stop and hold onto something. And then I can keep moving sounds like you're having a drop in blood pressure. Yes. Stand up when we go from lying to sitting. And then sitting to standing there certain responses, our body does to keep the blood pressure stable. You know, it sounds like your blood pressure's not rising appropriately instant might be dropping. It could just be that you're dehydrated. I don't know if you're on any medications that might cause. Dehydration. But it's a Conway say hydrated, but interest drinking water besides shrink, you might actually need to have a little salt. I mean, I don't wanna be the guy that tells of salt, and then you know, the ears are going to be filled. Up tomorrow at heart attacks, but you might actually that's why it's important for someone like you to get individualized care if you pursue normal. I don't know what medications you're taking. But a lot of people even on blood pressure medications. There's times where they complain it's called orth static symptoms where they just feel dizzy and feel like they're gonna sort of wobble. Over for a few seconds till these are people that might action need to lower their doses of medications or for someone who's not medications. Maybe they're just dehydrated. Maybe your blood pressure. So good that actually if you're a little dehydrated drops too much, you might need to have a little more salt like have me soup for lunch. I would also just add to that the experience that you're describing as extremely comment almost all people have it to some degree. You know, if they've been lying down for a while. And then suddenly stand up having that wooziness, but if the tremor to that's just from on your description, it's a normal physiologic tremor. Yeah. That's just like, I would probably say an exaggerated tremor because your blood pressure's dropping most people have it to some extent if it's lasting for. Long enough time that you're at risk of falling over or if it's really bothersome like Mark said, you can lower your blood pressure meds. If you're on them, you can drink more water and salt to kind of increase your blood volume prevent that drop from happening some people when it's really bothers them they'll wear compression stockings on their legs. You know, if it's debilitating because when you stand up in part, part of the reason your blood pressure falls because blood pools in your legs, and it takes a few seconds for your body to recognize as happening and constrict the blood vessels to your legs to keep the blood from pulling down there. So if you wear compression stockings, but doesn't pull down there as much pressure won't drop. Find it often happens like in the mornings when I've ridden the subway singing. And then I run up the stairs to the top of the stairs and failed probably not eating. Honestly. I mean joke breakfast before might actually have to readjust when breakfast maybe you need to have like some salt salt in the morning. And actually, it's the new compression stock and prescribing bacon. You know, it would make sense breakfast would come compression stockings. Apparently, look very normal might actually start in the winter in the wearing compression stockings. I say the introduction of spanks over the years has decreased the prevalence of this problem. Most people are wearing compression stockings knowing it. If you like games, you'll love hearing people talk about them live on stage. I'm Maddie Myers. I'm Jason schreier and I'm Kirk Hamilton. And we're the hosts of the video game podcast could talk split-screen. We are going to be doing a live show this February, and we would love to see you there. The show is Thursday, February seventh at the bell house on seventh avenue in Brooklyn, New York doors are at seven pm the show starts at seven thirty tickets cost fifteen dollars, and you can preorder on the bell house website. We'll be onstage talking about video games. Of course. There are also some audience a and maybe even a musical performance. Mark your calendars, and we will see you out of February seventh. Tell us something. We don't know we get smart people to make us smarter today. Smart guest is cushioned paleo, then Kochan is Buddhist monk and the co founder of the New York zen center for competitive care. He's the co author of awake at the bedside contemporary of teachings on palliative and end of life care and the forthcoming book. Wholehearted slowdown help out wakeup which comes out in June. Kochan is going to tell us something. We don't know about death. Welcome koshen. Thank you for being here comes pushed. So you're zen monk. And when we think of monks in sort of the popular imagination, we think of them cloistered away in monasteries. What does being among look like in the middle of New York City? Well, is end the ideal in some ways is thought to be the small retreat is often the mountains so cloistered away as you talk about as which we do many times during the year, we go on retreat and bought the great retreat is disappearing in the capital. So really learning how to participate end serve and help out with what is happening where suffering is as opposed to just staying in place of in some ways, comfortable and internal process in learning. How to say will however you and how are you? And how do we engage each other in thoughtful way, tell us about the New York's enter for contempt of care. So the New York sun center for contemporary cares, educational nonprofit organization. Dedicated to transforming the culture of care through wisdom, compassion and addressing old age sickness in death. And we do that work through our zen practice daily practice and our educational programs. Whether it's master's program or are training, local folks just to how to care for people and bring their meditative practice into their relationship and we've trained people from all over the country. And so to me it's like the beautiful manifestation of your earlier question of like what is among do? We stay with people through the changes, and realizing that life is full of change in some of his heart wrenching, and some of it is extraordinarily beautiful. What is contemporary of care versus just regular end of life care? So contempt of care is done by someone who has a meditation practice and sees how pay practice their meditation as how pay attention to being in relationship and for us. It's really move away from the expression that we have in our culture, which I so far find deeply depleting. These two words called care giver and care provider. And when I'm the care giver than I'm actually I'm the one who's going to give you care or the care providers. Same in. So for contempt of care, we really think about partnership so being a caring partnership with someone. So where there is true equality in equanimity, realizing you. You also know what you need, and I wanna be so curious about you and be open to what is happening. So that I can serve you. And so for me. The other day they knows with sitting with a person who had just lost their tiled. She walked into the center and sat down and was just way, Bing, and weeping. And we. And it was so extraordinary. And so beautiful, and heart wrenching and just like to be the helplessness with her and to not move away from it for me was the way of contempt of care wreck really staying in my breath, an realized with her at the same time, she cried and she wailed for good, forty minutes. And then when she was done she was done, and she looked up man said that was unbelievable. No one has allowed me to do. I think that you know, specifically with life hacker, and the upgrade we are focused all the time on making things better. Right. Like on improving the way that we do things improving our lives doing things martyr, faster and better. And when you're in these moments with these people in when I'm with people who are grieving, and I think for all of us, the our default response to try to make people feel better or make things better. And it seems like what you're saying. Is that like that impulse is one that you just sit with rather than trying to actually make that possible because what would actually make things better or maybe there's no way to make this better. Right. Is so amazing. 'cause you know, like this woman, it's not going to be better. The reality of losing a child in a violent. Is never going to be better. I think our impulse. There's a sweetness to the impulse like we want to do. Good. And I think it's not to be shamed. But how do we? Right. I wanna make you feel differently because I'm just uncomfortable with you crying. I'm uncomfortable with your inconsolable grief because I feel helpless. I think to me I'm totally with you. I feel like actually we how do we make things better? I think it's not often how we think. And I think it's like being open to the surprise in the pivot to realize like all, right? She actually did feel better. But not how we thought, you know. And if we didn't allow her expression of grief that she had been bottled up 'cause everyone's like telling her it'll get better, it'll get better. The real is like that's for us. Not for her. Right. Yeah. That's that's the hardest part. I think in witnessing any of this are or sitting sitting fire sitting with someone through this is not knowing what to do and not knowing how to be helpful, right? That feeling of helplessness that tension. Even hearing about it. I feel like you know, what would I be doing? I'd be trying to make t-. I'd be getting the tissues. I read an article about you in which you talk about your work. And you say the funny thing is that people always say, oh, you spend all these time with people who are dying. And I say I spend a little bit of my time with people who know that they're dying, and I'm spending the rest of my time with people who don't know that they're dying talk to us about this. This seems really central to understanding the work that you do. It's it's very funny in a way unites funny thing at cocktail parties decide I go. What do you do? And people usually say, I get another drink. And it is true. Like, you know, a little bit of time that I spend my days are with people who are actively dying in know that they're actively dying and often those people who even know that they're actively dying in many moments block it out to what I've learned over time is like, you know, we actually all are all going to die. It's just our nature is just how it goes in the leading cause of death of the studies like now, the leading cause of death is this now the leading cause of death is that while the leading cause of death will always be birth. What is the view of death the Senate view death? I have no idea what it is. Then is not too curly interested in particular view. But actually from traditional teaching point of view that in Zimbabwe is is that the birth and death are happened moment by moment. And that that is. Actually often how we relate to our actual death. Our physical death in. So how you aren't transitions in how you function moment by moment in moving through things in my experience relates very often to our coach to death are like you're always like running or you're never feel like you have enough time or what we live in the time. Where people love to say, I'm crazy. Busy you? Crazy busy. I'm crazy busy. Crazy. Busy crazy hidden. So busy. Busy busy. Oh, man. Just like how do we just slow it down? And so that we realized that in a moment by moment, we're not actually experiencing birth in our death. And that were not experiencing how this moment is totally fresh new M will never happen. Again. You know, the mazing thing about working with the dying is the privilege of Pat and the messages are so consistent Guinevere, he urged someone say on. So glad I was so crazy busy all those years. He never heard someone say him. So glad I just worked myself to death. The messages are always pretty consistent about how did I spend my time in how was that? In time. Was I as loving as could be in. However, my relationships I mean in this is across no class and race and gender. And so to me is like that. How do we just receive that message and really inform our life into me that has to do with the moment by moment, birth and death. And so like, all right. How attending to you too right now. And how am I in relationship right now were who knows if we'll ever see each other? And that's what makes life so precious. What do you think about? The way that we deal with death. How could we improve on that in this country? I love each other. I think that the way that we treat all day sickness in death and people who are old and people who are sick and dying is the absolute barometer for the ethics of our society in so a few visit nursing homes, and he see how we as a collective society deal with whole day. J- men, Justin Chelsea alone, where our center as in the heart of Manhattan there in that little zip code that are seventeen thousand people over seven-day living law, and so death in our society in no one wants to do with it. But no one also wants to deal with on -bility. And so to me sometimes I feel like that we get into the conversation around dying. But to me, it's really around phone her ability exposure, and we don't want. Want to be exposed. And I feel like actually the revolution is actually learning have a look at people and actually learning how to feel them both been Pathak or spots. And then what we do with that is where compassionate said not just to feel them. But to wonder how are you doing? Thank you so much. This is really helpful. We did we upgrade. Yeah. So better we where are we? Are you better in faster and smarter? I'm smarter. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Video games heard of him. I'm Maddie Myers. I'm Jason try and I'm Kirk Hamilton. And we're the hosts of Kotoka split screen. We get together each week to talk about the biggest news from the world of video games. We also discussed the games were playing from the most elaborate blockbusters to the most interesting. Indie games. We're joined by a variety of guests from the world of video games from legendary developers to famous streamers to TV host to one time. We had on an NFL kicker. Find us at dot com or wherever you get your podcast. And now it's time for upgrade of the week. Every week. We talk about that one thing that's making a big difference in our lives this week. We're joined by doctors, Chris Kelly. Mark Eisenberg, Melissa. What's your upgrade? I have talked about this chrome extension before I've frequently talk about chrome extensions because I love them. And I use a lot of them. I love checker plus for James L, which is a chrome extension that permits you to check your J mail without actually going to the g mail tab, and you can respond emails there. You can Mark them as red. You can do a lot of things actually opening the tab and having to go to jail. I recently sent a fan letter to the developer who created checker plus for L because I love it so much I just wrote to him his name straightened Savard, and I sent him an Email and just said I use this every day, and it just keeps getting better because it does. So today, I was thinking again about how much I love it. Also, I was trying to optimize it and change the color of the little com. That is in my chrome. Task bar whatever it's called there. And I couldn't because I hadn't paid him any money for it because it's free. And it said if you give me any money at all you can have access to all these extra features. So I gave ten dollars to the developer of checker plus for Jameel. And now, I can change the color of the icon. And it's delighting me. I changed it from red to orange. Wow. And now, it's a little more noticeable. And I'm not going to go into precisely why the oranges the right color for this. But anyway, upgrade that has improved my life. Did he writes you back? He wrote me back, and he said he keeps iterating because he uses it everyday to and it's a good way for him to find bugs and to keep making it better. So he created this. I guess for himself, and I'm benefiting Mark with your upgrade I've been getting up every night three or four times to p. So my new thing is I don't drink any fluids. If I could help it after like eight PM at night. So every time my mother drops off, orange juice. I just leave it in the back of the refrigerator. Don't guzzle it down while I'm watching my my Netflix every night. Right. You're also just getting all getting old could be my prostate. I like have your mom showing up like eight thirty. Like. Squeezed? You have to drink it. Now. Stinging squeeze the oranges for hours. Tunnel. I'm grateful. If you. Chris. What's your upgrade? Yes. So funny enough Mark, and I arrived, and we conferred on upgrades coming in the elevator. And we had both thought of this upgrade, which I'm about to share, which you know, your listeners are probably expecting me to talk about some leaf I found in the jungle that wants shoot, you know, extend your life by five years, but has nothing to do with medicine at all. So my big upgrade is not charging my phone anywhere near my bed or having it anywhere near my bed at night. In fact, I have it way far away far enough that I can hear it ring. If a family member is in distress figure someone's going to try to call me before giving up altogether but otherwise completely out and nowhere near the bed. I realized that I was like becoming a slave to my phone, and I was not sleeping. I was staying up late or every night, and it was like being me back awake. And that's just not a way to live someone has probably invented. But if they haven't they should some sort of like emergency notification for when they're actually is like like nine. One one kind of thing. Like if somebody were in crisis ending to get in touch with you that would signal you in your bedroom. So that you wouldn't need to have the phone anywhere near you. I recommend that people get like old fashioned dream machine alarm clocks in their bedrooms. Just yet because everybody says well have to use my phone as my alarm, it's no you actually do not have to and by the way, even if you do that you can still put it all the way across the room. So you have to get out of bed and silence. When you wake up some people that, but when they get up to silence that they have to check their texts, and they're you know, they're in mourning. It's time to get up. Anyway, great practicing. Good sleep hygiene, you keep the keep the Electric's out of the bedroom. So I think that Alice you need to invent okay? Like, you know, I'm the inventor in the family. I think that we need to use all the old phone jacks. And they need to be just like emergency lines. And everybody needs to have a little. Alexa. I have a feeling there's something. I'm not thinking of that is like the obvious answer to this probably a beeper or something those by the way. Humiliates me to tell you this. But we still in medicine use pagers and people look at me, you know, I'll be on call and I'll have to go to social events wearing my pager, and he's a doctor or. With a time machine. More like. Allah's? What's your upgrade? So I'm going to recommend a podcast. It is called heavyweight Gimblett podcast host is Jonathan Goldstein. It is described as him going back to the moment when everything changed. So basically hill have guest and the guest will describe some moment where they feel like our life went wrong, and he'll try to help them. Go back to that moment and make it right fix fix. Whatever has gone wrong. It is hilarious. It's amazing. The most recent episode I loved it was called Joey about a very awkward millennial who had a terrible day with a series of his understandings. He's described as rollerblade her with a creepy mustache at a mullet kind of going around try and make friends with everybody. But he's so so shy. And so awkward and trying so hard to be invisible ends up alienating everybody around him. And he loses the rental that he's in he gets banned from his favorite pizza place. Because I think he's been stealing just because he's so shy and runs. He runs out. They don't kind of pizza. They accused him of stealing. So he helps him kind of go back to the scenes of the supposed crimes and clear things up the first bad haircut. Got to do it all from there. It's amazing shave. And that's our show. The upgrade is produced this week by booze afar. Monday Moufida is our executive director of audio. And our theme music is by slow biz Brad Fischer mixed the episode, if you like this episode, be sure to check out the live QNA, we did with doctors, Chris Kelly and Mark Berg on life hacker. If you've got thoughts about the upgrade or life in general, Email us at upgraded life, Packer dot com or do something we dream of every week. Leave us voice vestige a three four seven six eight seven eight one zero nine photo Fakher on Twitter at life Acker and on Facebook at Facebook dot com slash life hacker. If you've got a sec review us on apple podcasts. And while you're online, you can find show notes for this. And every episode of the upgrade at life, Aker dot com slash the chef.

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Over The Rainbow: Angel Chronicles Episode #42

Capes & Lunatics: Sidekicks

32:23 min | 1 year ago

Over The Rainbow: Angel Chronicles Episode #42

"Tipping in a lifetime warranty or you can get there through the link on our website Southgate Media Group DOT COM hey somewhere over the rainbow there's a mouthy cow this episode of Cape Some Lunatic Sidekicks is brought to you by tweaked audio awesome headphones get tweaked audio dot com and use the coupon code southgate get thirty percent off seven years though my little shoes has her magic brownies anyway yes tonight we are here to discuss currently but I mean do you watch this episode I mean she looks like she's twelve or self she heard a laughing in two thousand and one what a couple more months of innocence love People Glauca Trinity House. I guess it's just like you know it's ironic 'cause like oh yeah cordy such a cow with painted on jeans and then later her Princess Leia outfit the joke episode but just like every time Cao Cao Cao Angel Season Two episode twenty that's right we're almost at the end over the rainbow original air date may eight two thousand and one boy Ooh all off the way don't you anyway look onto the chronicles I am filled jewelry with someone have an issue with women although they called the bed cows too so crap out in the U. Spoilers Amy acker should have been the vampire teenage she's not eight am I right Diane Jan Fortunately he's now he's both for her high joining me as always I did not have the podcast network responsible oh you know obviously he got sucked in the for the last episode our Sarah Obviously Yup seeded fair I mean I beat. AP Aker looks like I said she looked young today but I mean back then she'll teenager holy there are are I like regular appearance you know besides in vision allow when Fred burkle which I mean amy acker will Chung like the dog's owner caught yes cluttered cal the market that shock collar Dr but anyway yeah those like Oh and then so she's chanting remove it and then the runaway slave which she doesn't realize is Fred from her vision how coward dog then they take out the stables the worst thing about having horses am I right you know you know the last time you warriors we'll find out I got chased out by some demons she thought it was a demon thing but in excessive to some exotic dog it's true though then we see courting repair owner carrying like some stuff on the market when she gets kid oh my heart goes out to you third would like a joking with that Cordelia little snuggie twisted but she had gotten for some dude in Castell Norwick or whatever one open so then Wesley like okay now let's go back to the hotel you know warns all happy so yeah he's a good we can't go oh no actually read a slayer and we just never got to address it 'cause she died yeah I mean 'cause like gone all morning his buddy from last episode yeah basically I can't deal with you guys especially since Wesley said this might be a one way trip and staffing finally highly cutbacks in the boys on the other side yeah like angel was getting seen in the forest like I'm looking I'm like she's Pretty Blonde House like Oh man 'cause I was like I guess maybe that's why he's starting to show Too Low key you I really WANNA find out Sunni doctrines like up north of the bill or yeah yeah try try try shopping for gluten free really even here giving me there's no fourth thing find out about angels situation I mean it kind of works for forty though attacking over Roger how if I were her I'd like the for the powers that be you didn't follow everything 'cause those groceries are worth more than you I totally fair he not Walmart it's probably true Oh Yeah Oh yeah that's like here it's like you know the look the local supermarket chain I think they're pretty is going to be arrested mission so we opened up with her being chased down by some green demon like year and we relied the cow. I'm just like okay I know angels had an epiphany but it's like it was just this season that he fed a bunch of you guys to Darla Andrew Salaam like the rarely in my in Sucre need for all her years ahead so actually I don't do that right heck nearly takes up one room anyway that kind of a Larionov that Wanna be pushing this I mean it's not like an earth shattering plan or we're going to victim I mean they've already worked at a Cordelia department I mean you really separated the landmark so they're trying to leslie trying to figure out a way how they're not gonNA get separated iron keeps coming up eventually do have a friend who designed it reminder now this perjure white who offer almost like twice what Walmart is Edison Grocery shopping and I'm just like hundred twenty dollars by that's why we just get a Walmart I mean that's the fight about Gavin dish randomly showing up and I'm just like Oh Gavin love you is your no Reggie Blade or up and welcome to the hell map which is the first episode of what these different character pan-asain party considers heard Wesley Friends I mean especially after you know earlier than yeah okay family it's like it's got to go right after she disappears he's trying to open that portal and West is like back to the hotel plan for your doubts Gordon it like a magical place on the other side there's giving his car and I'm like yeah can't in the League of being in the like they just about it wasn't friendship Yeah Yeah but if the keys he asset-backed that much by even if you do get him out of that hotel airfare moving is adding annoying does a lot but it's angel what that seems very recurring theme pretty much so the theory a man and a young working women leave the car behind because that's the thing they find they figure out is like when you go through the portal yet separated a Kaz corden lords cussing mustard ah the hats thought that they find that the gates of the paramount studios and UPN DIG The for Buffy win he's a strange mixture of the two but I decided to say when realize I'm not burning I can I can get you know he he is a spell a binding spell we might come out as a weird Siamese twin on the other side angels now People Elsa Hands 'cause they use that book when you towns and you've got to hold spot right as yes you know angels interested analyses like blonde the guy in guerrilla that's true with genitals but I think I think they use the friendship with cordy to get him in the door in any developed like a friendship with Wesley which became strained loader on Cenex season see edgy can supernatural stuff is you know magic and supernatural stuff oh two sons shouldn't angel burn quicker Babri but then they they discover they left the book behind or the book thrown out of the car whatever La la the yeah the for the hotels and the company name while Blah he asks is everything that's happening yeah just somebody knows then aw they had to moons but I I I know different different dimensions like magic burks I computer average true can be your point is convenient so they go looking for courty Her car new car father glass Farah from he's got that old car but I mean yeah I just love the Wesley in this whole room fellow how guess when you have no choice you know you know when you invent the very first computer it's like Oh this is so high like a reverse crypto Nian things so maybe it's to read sons she doesn't per Ohio are they were angels like he's like okay guys turn me evils here try to victims from my home to who've tell 'cause I guess the lease is up in six months and the Howard leaves I know wait I mean it's not like he's even a compact car like us the discovery there's certain things behalf Stanford places exactly at the up one a while like the try to write it down on another insights to go because I don't like killing my friends behind we'll one of your friends third through a portal full uh-huh Gert was back to the future at least drive it into a cave or something eating at a different frequently whatever around the phone but the two sons look a little red to ucs as as longer 'cause I mean again vampire strength every dimension see they they they they never go into that well I guess more next episode but it's see have you know coup- couple swords you know y coats yeah Duffy go into town and get you know you get attacked by the townspeople and they try to fight them off they get captured as you do I mean so lawrence people that much you want to be out there looking like that needles like what human oh my Lord but how about that clunky he asked show-business yeah 'cause we need his mom next burial typical suspended but you work buddy angel and much smarter he system like order savviness that's not the Irish supposedly all what about Ross South alliterative I mean look you got he didn't work out crissy's other interests you know it's convenient because they can't live without quite anyway so let's focus on that needs to make this the three apple can't come with us the so yeah after that they forty and she's been at the tribunal he's a paper shoved in her pocket or care Wesley memorize that you would think they would want Wessler Song to memorize that spell just in case true Mecca me the off the gull they actually to find that reminds me of that once he show with the alien girl I long for gun people kind of xenophobic what are they like Zena I'm not by your the muscle just like angels not that much shield call shock after they do as I forget if it's before they went through the drive through the portal or after they got there but mourns like yeah you don't WanNa go arose stories of the Tower of London it wasn't that bad angel beheaded but yeah so they get captured and then they get thrown in prison with their chains and of course what I was like aw you know it'd be scared as the you could say also has to do because you look at warning you're like yeah well he was born was the rental I hope Liam Patrick Patrick so they kinda Gigi see that the one relationship they develop I know at Blackie will kind of weigh a certain other persons of forced upon him among much for angel like does the right was a methodist we don't get back in Hooker's night she's carried caroline as prophecy so yeah they test their you can't come back he could have he would have drank resilient so corsie killing everybody in you know trying to on food some branches and leaves yeah apologized timeless may you state the monarch wow yeah oh why would before their take it will they 'cause angels listening to Thornton near the guards outside and guns like wait what he can here and it was just like vampire it's like Oh yeah only works the only otherwise later one time all the way there it was it was a chore how Care On an episode of in two thousand so he must do that around you know we'll literal for this episode but Star Trek Voyager he the planet there orbiting was like time was moving at a different rate than like he was like an astronaut came up like Ford Voyager man banner obsessive nerd not just like wait no technically nerd in a healthy respect for the regionals all you need some discovery socket and enterprise I will stab backyards do I I haven't I haven't been watching discovery in the enterprise enterprise is a Yemi tewksbury offing but I was looking at the senior Kim's credits you know trying to find that previous enjoy episode what you know what he is credited it early season one right I'm not imagining that right ooh worded his Oh yeah he might have but I mean I'm trying to earn especially this particular trilogy of the Finale Show was like Houston neutrality officer at that will princess Leia yes it's like hey guys wait a minute I don't think I don't think we can. PDF notes were right her Inoue yes I love I just love that laughing at the image trilogy Oh yeah he was ever seen weird you're like once all the waiver it was it was just one it was just one episode it was like free there was a weird thing going on where like is back now we do it we're doing this whole thing I've disjointed our favorite alive really good episodes a lot of good things by Kate happen by Kate Hello Bread you know up there for oh I would never hit another trilogy again really like for finale like nothing ever like yeah some of it was disjointed Oh say shame today thank you but at least we're I upset enterprise I mean at Troy and Reicher yeah exactly exactly what it enterprise the work I'd like Scott Back Ula never say anything the first episode of where Gavin Parts appears on Lego game they showed up before having shoot wide-screen Joss Weeden Alternate Dimension Plots Watch quantum leap give you an hour explanation no Oh that out to the microphone boom mechanising yes it's true they should have makes gag if I find something whenever yeah like when there's new writers like always the Super Way and I'm like no how about you wash episode I'm serious like those visits but and I think I've never I don't think I've watched enterprise and the of those I think more than well no like the pilot I think I watched twice without they sat on the whig acting like wikipedia never wrong with her to be honest the phantom leakey's Sienese are using the way to go versus streaming 'cause I know my charm knees don't have the music and I know Netflix yeah well this season it seemed weird because I mean we got like got a lot of stuff 'cause it's like you know gun joins the team and then angel goes dark then he come credit credit is technically the pros crediting okay okay okay for my needs for hated his guts afterwards new quantum leap no never never watch palm album Linda ever girl in a magnum Pi girl so late crude less than a half house as though whether that works long do the first the first five and a half also yeah why what's the last I watched is not a pop culture references ole correspond yeah I o because we're it might immaterial I mean of course because the title but we got a couple different references to the wizard of Oz and this episode how could you not the tooks it's only one season but I think I remember here I'm trying to I watched it on TV but I can't remember but I swear I heard somewhere that like yeah they had those on dvd so maybe I missed something important I'm just saying there is the couple a minute missing from the DVD why's that othewise at her. Yes I'm pat you yes man but I do like that they in quantum leap somewhere why now the making the victory for sit down for an hour and explain to you why you should Zubaida buffy and supernatural late the God the fans of those who does not show better than those kids that the yeah because of course the title over the Rainbow is from the song from the wizard of Oz but then also in the beginning when clicker heels together three times Tali shame it why what are they looking for when they're looking for forty minutes clear watches which we will twenty twenty five now like twenty twenty two twenty twenty two yeah I know that what part of that two thousand five strike was a battle yeah so Jordan yeah I watch any of them more than once or twice I don't think I've ever seen every episode I mean I'm on the LASSIE's they're actually in rush anyway I give this episode solid me I don't know it just wasn't like wake snarky cordy note La Pyla where Ya I did it again oh and on the DVD by the way there's like a few minutes missing of them and Kerry tasks okay we're GONNA DO TNG seasons two through seven run had accua appeared on voyager couple times to Detroit lack with Cathy j ways yeah yeah okay they never gave us a musical episode instead we not puppet Hokey list is one of my favorite episodes season five like the four stooges yeah especially when it comes tumbling through the door at the end yeah yeah I q the Dow can you I hate that take that will didn't they do that with birds of prey in the late the other leg rapids is like the looking glass and there's no place like far sklar urban I read for now onscreen 'cause they change all the fight us indie bands they're just grateful for the frigging coverage you know what I have no idea so did so did I but I remember watching TV. I think besides that I don't know I have the D ores any terrible VVD's I'll impact coaches like laziness like a legal reason or anything it was a super great year though like a lot late I think who doctor who revival I believe Metro mother come among other Sirkin maybe I'll let you talk me into that summer twenty twenty three we'll start supernatural or third time right sadness grand when he is in that somebody's gathering stupid urges the covers car lease bigly go a branch or solvent the puppy episode is like one of my favorite in the way that the series is like this perfect book in Oh Yeah I love that I love that last episode you just during the Summers after we're finished with Angel I was going to say that we can say twenty twenty anyway but but did did you want to mention the news that are you home today or Christine Caine is GonNa rope here so you are not watching supernatural here's a reason to Christian Kane will be a guest on supernatural final season the show it's like I remember it came on like I think the fall after angel went off the Air Yeah too bad for barbier only two more episodes left but again I mean we'll read them anywhere and then Arrow versus coming back senator thoughts hey senator you're here is happening dealer a slow the beginning for everybody eight Angel Wesley Cream Mojo guys cousin view music our very I mean less than Bruce let's let's get you ladies doing the boy bands in the nineties takes at gmail.com for this show can follow us on facebook facebook dot com slash Angel TV podcast at Angel TV podcast on twitter who threw everything but the kitchen sink at you this episode we're old hard cobb anyway so yes essentially thoughts four thirty eight capes and remember can watch every one of our shows live on the Cape Lunatics facebook twitter and that gets vocal dot com slash a seal psychic on instagram checkout work in progress it's though here it's not hasn't fallen through a Portal Cape Ann Lunatics Dot Org US grabbed capes lunatics YouTube channel our weekly newsletter Capes lunatics dot

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Fatherhood on Fire: Building a Foundation for Fulfillment

The Exsellence Mindset Podcast

42:12 min | 1 year ago

Fatherhood on Fire: Building a Foundation for Fulfillment

"Are you looking to pursue excellence and take your success to the next level Lorraine Place Welcome to excellence mindset with your host Ryan James Camila. Hey everybody before we get started on. Today's episode of the Excellence Mindset podcast. I just wanted to share something. Something really exciting with you that I've been working on called foundations in this is really building foundations in order to live a life of excellence. You know for me. Many any of you know my story. I have achieved. Many levels of success found joy in many different areas of my life and I've been setting and achieving goals for more than twenty years there's and then tragedy struck in among other things. I was drawn into this season of reflection. Really a gut check to understand what I was was pursuing who I was becoming in even who I was in that moment it was such a fruitful opportunity for me going back to the beginning and relaying the foundation Dacian and getting clear on who I was in through that season. Two Thousand Nineteen has been the most joy filled year of life. I've ever lived and now I WANNA want to share that with you. That's why created this foundations program. It's a ninety day opportunity for you to do what I was able to do. And hopefully it to enable you to live the best year yet in two thousand twenty so you can go to Ryan James Miller dot com slash foundations to check it out with that. Enjoy this next episode of the excellent. Excellent Mindset podcast. Thank you Ryan for joining us today on father on Fire Bank so much I appreciate the opportunity Tosa a little bit about yourself and your family for some context so I am a husband to a wife of almost nineteen years as I have two daughters that are seventeen and ten years old so nice little split between the two of them I I run a coaching coaching and consulting business working in Sales Business Development Executive leadership coaching and things of that nature and also passed church. He has afl plates. And I know so I got to listen to one of your recent podcast episodes. The Excellence Mindset you talked about servant leadership and Zip we will contention was serving your spouse serving your children's like islets dive right into that so you might share. What does that look like in your home? Oh Man Dan that's a that's such a loaded question I'm good at those You know just just to give a little bit of context. So I've been married read for almost eighteen years and when I came When I got married my wife and I were just the best of friends But we didn't really understand how to live in the roles of marriage. I didn't have a wonderful example. Growing up parents divorced early. My mom remarried a couple of times and so I didn't really know how to operate you. You know kind of in that environment and about four years and we got into a really nasty place and life and I are. Child was three at the time time and started fighting a lot talking about divorce kind of as a last straw for us. we decided to give churches shot and that was is really an eye opening Opportunity it definitely took a while of US really committing to face and church But about a year end we started to be taught what those roles really looked like You know again for us. It's really hard because you know at face value when you hear things Like wives submitting to husbands as I will call them to or husbands. Love Your Wife as Christ church. Like in the sacrificial acker official way that just sounds absolutely obnoxious and it took a long time of us Just kind of walking alongside other couples to understand what that really meant met and today when I talk about servant leadership for me it's first based on the fact that I knew what it was to not live in those types of roles and in those types of environments. And you know I was. It was my way or no way I was just kind of brought up that way and So today to to lead is pretty clear right. I mean I am called to be the leader in my home and to do the best guide my wife and my kids as as I can and To set good structure and ground rules but all of that is predicated with the understanding. That I'm called the serve my family the as well and so try to do that. The best way I can you know always trying to lean in an understand where they're coming from and their hopes dreams But it's not just it's not it's not easy and so it's just a day by day Fight for us to try to get to that place. Yeah absolutely I know so very new to fatherhood. Serving One and a half year old is a lot different than serving teenager in almost the teenager. Latin I'm figuring out different ways to to do that as they go so much kind of what you we shared. What's attracted you? Is Your your authentic. You know. I'm striving to be authentic so in your in your coach in consulting business just curious like how how much time you get to spend or if you do with your clients Talking about family and kind of balancing those ambitions Obviously it really depends right so People approach me to coach them because they either have a goal that they want to achieve leave or they have an obstacle or challenge. They're trying to overcome those are typically the generalizations of the two areas and so for me while I would want to. It will definitely help them accomplish whatever it is. They're looking to bring them back to understanding Foundationally who they are right like what makes them tick where strong WH- what gets them out of bed every single day and so when you start asking those questions than oftentimes uh-huh some sort of family dynamical come into play. And so that is where I will start to address a lot of that right because again again for me. It's just easy to relate to my own story. which is you know? I was successful by the time I was in successful like in my own mind. By the time I was twenty two twenty three and making good money six figures and Owned a home drove a Mercedes like you know that was all great but I was just grinding working. Fourteen eighteen sixteen sixteen hour days. Sometimes and so it wasn't spending a lot of time at home with my wife and kids and reflecting on that I now say Gosh what what was I really four. And as a matter of fact we went through a terrible financial ruin and at one point. All but I had left was my wife and my kids so I will oftentimes insert those experiences into people you know in conversations with people that I'm coaching but I don't want to impress upon NAM because I would say I live more on the extreme side which is like my wife and kids are everything to me. I will drop everything. I will no longer be via pastor or a business owner or EARN money I just you know I. I doubt that's my conviction. And so so you know not. Everybody is going to live completely to that. And so I WANNA be considered as possible of of who they are and what they want. That's interesting like debrief. The you lived to that extreme. And it's I feel very similarly convicted. Like ends have sometimes struggled with how to fit like other ambitions wins into my life in this year. Something I've been working on his have been like decompartmentalise in my life. UNECESSARILY combining all areas of my life. But just seeing my life more holistically like giving advice on that specifically from From that family aspect. Yeah so I mean again. You know it's it's GonNa come back to priority and you know what is it that you're really living for. What is it that you're really working for so for me and again this? It's interesting because there's iterations to this over a period of time right so when I When I almost got divorced There was this awakening beginning of my mind and my heart to my wife and my chart one child at the time and so we learned in grew from that in another really good kind of season of growth at like the ten year. Mark Arkadi Marriage and so you know all through those years if you would have told me you know like you know there's going to be a day when you love your wife and more than you do right now said absolutely not like like they're everything to me and then I had a personal personally a very unique experience which my wife and I and five of our friends were in Las Vegas when the mass shooting took replace and You know during that experience as you know bullets ringing out there was a moment when when I had to decide whether or not I was going to protect my life and I jumped on top of her and that sounds really valiant and really cool will wasn't. I was as scared as I ever been in my entire life and yet I just. I was convicted that that was the thing to do. And then five minutes later later as we got up and you got to some shelter I remember telling my wife that I loved her basically telling her goodbye for the last time because there was a chance that we were both going to believe. And so those are the things that ring around and rattle around in my head and my heart every single day. which is I actually practically practically could have lost? My wife is a matter of fact my wife took a round of ammunition an eighth of an inch from her head that went through and through her hat. And so you know just an eight inch in my life would have been different. And so like how in the hell can I want to prioritize anything else that means very little when in reality the only thing that means anything is my wife and my kids and so that then is why practically Louis I just I put all that at the forefront like I will. I will always prioritize as best as possible right but My wife's needs my kids. Events Sporting sporting events school in we try and create a balance there. Because I can't be everywhere all the time that they know that if I have to miss something that it's because I really have to miss it and not because I'm choosing something over them. That's an incredibly powerful horrifying story. I just can't help appreciate how candid open. You're and like in leading up to this. I always ask if there's anything we should should stay away from your response really struck me. You said nothing. I'm an open book with many tarnished untorn pages which is really unique language And and what. I'm finding learning through the father on fire. Journey is just like the way that we is as men and fathers are willing to share and like have that self awareness really impacts. How how we can pour ourselves into others and allow others to love us? So can you just show like where you got that language from and you know like how you kind of apply that humility not to your own life and fatherhood experience. Yeah so. Don't let me mislead you to believe that you know I walk around as humble human being being here right I mean I have a wicked wicked battle internally with pride all the time I I I would say that you know I have Abed gifted and just a couple of significant areas in my own life so you know as the result of your broken marriage coming to face this. I had this new reality That I had to live within which had to be held to a higher standard. I needed to do things differently and I I was doing those things in light of what I was right so like I was one of those guys that was A. I wouldn't say like on an everyday basis assists but regularly looking at her dog affi and going to strip clubs with my buddies and out hardy doing drugs flirting with other girls calls. And and all the while my wife you know and not that my wife is something like perfect angel but all the Wa wife's home taking care of my kid and so again reflecting back on those things things and the fact that for US got saved my marriage I need need need to just live in the reality of who I am today as the result to what happened to me in the past and so those those are reminders for me every single day like I am one stupid decision away from being right back where I was before and so I can't afford that number one and number two to like the present day you know what you I would say. Humility are being kind of open book. Is We live in a society where we all have some sort of mask right and it's not that I bear air every single thing every single day but social media plays just this role in which we can be anything we want to be. Even when we're not and so I decided decided and committed to the fact that I am going to do the best that I can to be who I really am. Everywhere so my social media channels public which is extremely dangerous especially really as a pastor of a church because people are coming at you from all different angles. But every time that I've done that every time that I've shared an honest story the reality polity of like what I used to be or what. I currently still struggle with from time to time. I've had feedback from other people telling me that that's helped them to step through some challenge. They're going through in life so if I have to wear it in order for somebody else to grow than it's worth orcas white gold to me. That's that's awesome. It's something that I really. Struggle with. Social Media horrifies me started a podcast was a big step and also incredibly liberating 's creating opportunity myself in all classes. So I I really I wanNA talk more about being the pastor of a church in addition to what seems to be a full time consulting in prioritizing the family a and like being so involved in so engaged in the traditional professional world in allowing to to lead by faith life At the same time. Okay so again when I say this it's it sounds super clean and super easy and it's not that sedona anybody anybody listening believe that this is all together an awesome all the time but I've continued to try and get clearer and clear on my identity indentity right and so again. This is specific to me as a Christian as a you know in the roles that I live so I went through I laid out like in order. You know who I was and so the top of that list is a Christian. Which means that for me? Personally I live my life as best as I possibly can. In accordance with what God has called me to write with between he and second to that then is a husband so then me to my wife third is at third then is me as a father which people get those things backwards and I'll say as plain as today that if you are not first husband to your wife then you will never be the father to your children that you can be like that. That is an absolute parents all all the time with their kids before their their spouses. And I believe that that is a nasty nasty mistake so beyond that number four. I'm a friend end number five. I'm a pastor right so at number six. I'm an athlete which just means that like I take care of my body and treat it that way and number seven on the business leader and so if you listen even to those those areas of identity they lay out for me the order in which I approach everything that I do like I will never ever ever as best as I possibly can compromise my relationship with God even for my spouse because my spouse comes after that right at the same time I will never make a decision as a business leader compromises my calling as a pastor because you know There's a specific role in calling there. That I just won't compromise in so I live with a big help to that is my wife. You know. So we're constantly talking about like the balance of our life I try and shut down every single day at six o'clock professionally. Which means that most of the time you know the rest of that time is for my family? We have a small church so it's reasonably easy in terms of commitment versus thousands and thousands of people but if I have to go meet with somebody in the middle of the week at night I can do that. there's a couple of us. Pastors will meet together once a month during the week. I plan to worship team team a little bit so I can go. I can go practice so but again. It's all through the Lens of like where my order of priorities. And that. How do I behave? Is the result loft that so. Hopefully that gives them clarity to that. Yeah that's awesome so this was a conversation that I recently had splits told my past. I I don't know if I'm ever going to be a place where I can put God before my wife. He was like he had been shot. Man Like all right man. I trust you so we actually had had that conversation. I was like what if we put before our marriage. It's like okay and definitely being a husband before fathers. The voice believed that the best thing for the children as to love other child's mother South just a ton of grades not great insight and input there. You're you're now coaching and consulting in that space before that you were in the healthcare space in an insurance brokerage in Naive founded fit. Health is he's founded is just better for your family. Do Mind sharing a little bit about that. I know like the healthier spaces horrifying for me and I imagine there's so many the other fathers out there who are just timid by that space. Would you mind sharing kind of how you've leveraged that experience the better provide for your family. Yeah so I was leading a sales team in a regional insurance brokerage firm. You're in southern California and we you were approached by an outside organization that was offering an alternative to traditional health insurance Similar to a lot of large healthcare sharing ministries that are out there like Meta share but being able to offer it to employers and being able to offer it to people of all faiths not just specifically Christians or people that would lie on their statement of faith just to get a discount health insurance so so we jumped into that environment and were immediately able to save a significant amount of money about forty percent off of what we were saving in the traditional health insurance world and we were able to dictate our own healthcare path meaning. We got to choose our doctors and our after after care in so as I kept thinking about ways that I could better serve people doing that same thing I created. This organization called fit a health. Which takes that healthcare sharing organization as its foundation to protect people against against a large financial? Need medical need. And then I started rapping wrapping other services partnerships around it because my wife and I cross we do our best to put the right things into our body not to say that. I didn't eat Halloween candy on Halloween. Or you know whatever but we're just trying to do the best we can because again like I'm not I'm not trying to stay healthy for myself like I want in. My wife wants to be healthy for our kids and our grandkids to be around for a long period of time. And it's a great way to teach our kids to do the same thing thing so our kids aren't shoving a bunch of garbage into their bodies or just sitting around all day long so we created this organization called Fed House. And so now we're able to offer for that same opportunity that I was given five years ago were now he will offer that opportunity to individuals and small businesses. And so it's been great rate because we're saving people again. Thirty forty fifty percent off of what they were spending on health insurance before And it's typically aligning better with. What what? They're trying to do in terms of staying proactive with their health and not just being treated when they're sick. It's giving them opportunities to align with other really cool organizations in the health and fitness space. And so it's been a lot of fun and it's just it's producing again just a better overall experience as we continue to chase living the best life that we can. We believe the guns that's awesome. That's definitely resource that I need to dig into more than hopefully. He'll the other little dive into that as well so I know I'm a bit all over the place here with the conversation but recently you shared were really kind of drew my attention you experienced that your daughter had with with water polo. How she rebounded from that? Yeah Yeah Yeah so that that was definitely a fun experience as a parent of they all are And if you saw my face that was quite sarcastic. So my oldest daughter. She's seventeen she'd been dancing until she was fourteen went out for the high school dance team. Her freshman year got injured a week before tryouts and did not have a great tryout and didn't make the team so this big letdown. I'm for her right. I mean obviously when you're a kid you don't make the team especially when she was probably good enough to make it. Had she been healthy it was just a really big blow to her confidence so the and she went out for the volleyball team because we wanted her to stick with something and she didn't make that team either because she had never played an organized sport ever ver- and volleyball. You know she was all over the place so The third option. We had a friend that was one of the swim coaches and said hey give her a tryout and so she jumped in the pool wall and she swam so well from the Gecko which nobody knew where that came from because other than a pool in the backyard. She had never done anything like so. She did that she swam. She played water water polo for her freshman sophomore junior year and then her senior year which is what. She's just entered into this year as they were getting ready to start water polo postseason. She ended up finding out that she was going to be on the JV team as a senior and she flipped out. I mean she just lost it right. Typical seventeen year old. I throw a fit ever. The world is coming to an end I quit. I'm not doing this crap anymore. Yada Yada Yada. So we let that marinate nate for about a month Just kind of trying to talk her through the common sense of that shoot. She kept practising because the decision had not been finally made yet and then finally About a month had gone by. And then her coaches letter. Now that was back and so I was gearing up for this big conversation with her. And you know we always talk in this house. It's not about the outcomes you produced about the effort that you put into whatever it is that you you commit to and you do your best asked to commit to the things that you've given your word to commit to you know we have a growth mindset. I little ten year old is like the growth mindset queen in this house and so you know what we're all always talking talking about those things and so you know. I had this whole speech for my seventeen year old and she. She came to me and she said dad she goes. I have an idea and I said okay. I said you know what what is that. I said because I really don't think that you should quit altogether. And she said well she goes. I'M NOT GONNA quit. She goes what I think that I'm GonNa do is she says I'm going to step doc from water polo because I'm really good at water polo. She goes on. I'm going to commit myself to swim. which has until the second season the second half of the year she goes? But I'M GONNA keep practicing with the water polo and swim team right now to try and get better so that way I can finish my senior year really well and I was like what did you say you. There is no way in some like we'll how did you come to this conclusion. And she's GonNa she said you know I just. I really thought about what you had said before. You know it takes them like a month right to figure anything out you know I just I thought about what you said and my my wife and had a great conversation with her and same thing and she just said I just really feel like this is the best thing for me she goes. I know that if I went down to the JV team that. I can be a leader for the younger kids. But I just don't feel like that's going to push me and I. I know that I can commit to swim and I can do really good job in some like. That's amazing bay but like you know. Now what are you GonNa do. She says well I'm GonNa go sit and talk to my coaches. And so she went and met one on one with each of the two coaches for the water polo team and sat them down for forty five minutes. Talk to each of them individually through her whole process the conclusion that she she came to why she came to a a thankful she was for each of them and she made both of them cry as as they were having this conversation they. It's not just affirmed her decision but were so blown away. They said that was the first time a student athlete had ever come in Zap them down like that in a in a crossroads like this us and like I just. There's nothing else that I could have possibly ever asked for out of my daughter right. I mean like most most of US grownups. Don't make those types of decisions. I coach in organizations all the time in which I do everything I can to try and get adults to make those types of decisions and they don't and my daughter just had such a good head You know about you know the situation and I I believe that. Not only is the best situation for her from an athletic perspective but this was just a turning point from her as a human being as a young woman that is going to carry her far into the future. Yeah absolutely I'm just blown away here in the story thinking about myself software. You're getting cut from the basketball team in devastated years. Recover still haunts me. And I went on to become an intramural all-star dominated. Let's let's just super impressive so like not put too much pressure on you. But what from what you done as a father and a parent like what would you attribute to her composure. And ability to reach that conclusion level maturity at her age yeah so a- S.. She still immature and plenty of areas. So don't let that one fully right like we're we're constantly having really ridiculous conversations and arguments over things that just blow my mind but in this specific success. I think that it was a combination of things I think that bought it is who she she is inherently family created to be like. She is that way when she really takes a huge step back up she is able to think through things pretty intelligently and so so she needed that time and so. I think that that's just kind of a word of wisdom right to all of us. Parents is sometimes. We need to give our kids the time in the space to think for themselves versus forcing forcing them to make a decision when we want them to make it so. I think that's really important. I think the second thing is and I alluded to this earlier so in my the house. We don't celebrate grades definitely if we see develop these. Ns on report cards. We're GONNA have conversations about that because we just don't believe that that's acceptable But it's only not acceptable because of what I'm going to say next. which is we don't celebrate grades because we talk only about effort in this his house and that's through me reading book after book after book just to grow and develop myself around this idea of? We can't control the outcomes in our life really ever but we can control every bit of effort that we contribute to the things that we're doing in this life and so as I've learned in grown on through that you know over my lifespan. So far those are the things that I wanted to instill into my kids so when they come home with a less than installer grade we talk through that like okay so so what does that look like did did you. Did you try as hard as you could. Well Yeah Dot. I did okay but I see that. You missed three reassignments. So you didn't give it all your effort because you didn't even turn these in. And so we're able to identify kind of like the leading leading indicators for why things are are not going the way that we would hope them to and so we try not to punish based on outcome Again it's effort in so there's been times again the same Airing this same older daughter like she struggles in bath as a subject and her sophomore off. Lord year like a C- was the best thing that she was going to get in just the basic sophomore level math and and we had to accept that right like we just had to talk through like we're not. We're not going to punish you. We're not gonNA come down on you like this is the best that you can do. And so by demonstrating our commitment. I want to reward And anyone to punish on effort in not an outcome I think it allows our kids the freedom to kind of test the waters I anti to think through these things for themselves versus just the fear of in this situation like I did or did not make the team right because at the end of the day. Who really cares what team you're on and who really cares what position you hold and who really cares? What championship you win? Like none of those things are going to be remembered five years from now anyway and so. We're trying to help her in our. Both of our kids understand that it's like it is the experience it's the growth in the midst of it that is going to propel us into where we want to go and so I think that is that we've laid a- As we have laid that foundation as parents. I think that is producing in times like this really great results again other times. You can't get the kid to clean up a room or laundry on a weekly basis for the life of her right and and that's just zero effort right there and she just doesn't seem to listen so you know we're we're we're doing our best again. It's it is the foundation and it's just continuing to reinforce it and not letting ourselves slip back into it. Oh and the other thing by the way I know this was a long answer but the other thing is is that that means for us as adults in the house. We need to set the same standard for ourselves. And that's really really hard right because when we fail sale. It's something if we lose our mind throw a fit just can't get out of bed because we have failed as an adult. Then that shows my kid did that. I'm a hypocrite because to my kid. I'm telling them it's all about effort into me. It's all about result. Enzo we've gotTA have that same example set for our kids so in my business like when I when I went a new client we as a family celebrate but we celebrate all the work that God has done in me to bring me to this place. The opportunity that's presented present been presented the way in which we're living the way that we are to put ourselves out there to attract clients to my business in myself. That's how we celebrate in the gym right right when we do something. Well when we achieve a heavy Weightlifting lists or accomplished good time in a workout like yes. It's great rate that we did that but the only reason we were able to accomplish that is because we have been practicing or been committing. Are we've been working hard on a day in and day out basis so we're celebrating our the effort That's a really profound answered really powerful Diving into the academic side. I'm way too far ahead of myself because I was a terrible student in have vivid memories of going round and round with my dad every grade report and it's been like racking my mind but I what am I going to do to ensure that Clair's is is is hitting the mark academically and said that foundation for for effort versus outcome. Daunting I'm sure. Has Some challenges in application. Should when when you do see the the outcome is not as expected. Yeah so so so here. Here's something else you know. Pretty practical right. And this is very counterintuitive Tiv- to me as a coach but this is something that I've I've ever even had a mindset shift this year so at the beginning of two thousand nineteen. I decided that I was going to set zero goals. This is the first time in more than ten years that I didn't have any goals written down on a piece of paper January first two two thousand nineteen and that I would hold myself accountable to and what I decided to do. Instead was I was going to sink through who I wanted wanted to be right. Who Am I hoodoo? I WanNa be so thinking about those identity. Things I talked about earlier I decided instead that I was going to create what what turned into ten habits that I was going to execute on on a daily weekly monthly basis. However they were and that if I did that that would produce the person that I want to be and it would naturally create these outcomes that I would potentially set his goals at sometime down the line line and so I worked through that exercise and I've shared it with my family over and over again? I share it with all my clients and again so counterintuitive right because has people come to me and they have goals they want to achieve goals. And I'm like Hey. I threw all my goals out this year and yet were ten months into the year coming up now on month eleven then and I will say beyond a shadow of a doubt without question I am living the most fulfiled I have ever lived in my entire life. That's not to say that I don't deal with bouts of anxiety and stress and I haven't despised certain days at certain times times and I don't get frustrated and I don't argue with my I don't argue with my spouse argue with my kids that I don't like have contentious conversation with clients alliance. All of those things still happen. But I'm no longer chasing a finish line now. I'm just continuing to reset back to these ten habits habits that will help me to continue to be fulfilled in all of the different areas. That I feel that I'm called to it's kind of startling but also really the profound. I'm super curious to what ten habits aren't right so the first one is. I read every day my Bible. I quit current events and then books. That helped helped me become a better Christian husband Father Coach or consultant. So that's in the morning before I get a I mean as soon as I get up outta bed I make coffee and then I read and I read in that order. I do not pick up my phone for social media to check notifications emails. Nothing it's literally Bible Navy. That's three verses. Maybe that's a whole chapter whatever and then so so that's number one number two and there's an order to these on purpose by this by the way as well number two. I work out at least five days a week. I focus first on health then improvement in last achievements. My third habit is I sleep a minimum of seven hours tonight. This is the first time in my life that I've focused on sleep As much as I have and it has had insane positive effects on just my life is a whole number four. I'm not doing a good job in this one. Is I meditate ten minutes per week. That's literally just sitting in silence. I'm not doing a good job. They actually reading a book on stillness right now to try and help me with that one number five. I make good food choices. So I don't restrict anything but I limit sugar junk food and alcohol Paul as best as possible. A number six is I date my wife at least twice per month. So that's just she and I nobody else going out on a date together. I save or or invest a specific amount of money every single month or a minimum amount amount of money every single month. I give a minimum amount of money every single month to our church and other organizations that I support number nine is I create high value content five days per week for business owners in sales people and the number ten is I invested in myself through personal salaam professional developed so those are my ten habits and those are the things that I continue to go back to on a day in and day out. Base awesome. Do you have like you mentioned. Number four was kind of a struggle any other times where like destroy. Go to meet those. What do you do in those moments too like you said? Get yourself back to those habits. Yeah so So number one is a riddle on right like to get up and not check. My phone is terrible. And so I- forcefully try. Ignore it I go to my a tablet I that I read from if I get into a really bad way. Sometimes I'll just make sure I pick up a paper Bible before I do anything else. So you know said that that's one that can be a really really big challenge. at times for me The workouts pretty easy. I'm consistent there to be very honest with you other than that one and then and the one around just silence which just suck it sitting in silence. I just the rest of them. They're just who I am again. Like if I created these habits because I went out and read a book and I heard what somebody else said were good habits to have and then I just took those and inserted them into my day daily life. I've blown it because those habits don't support me I. I had to become extremely self aware. Which is something that I've been doing for the last twenty years professionally really it? You know which which then helps personally it. I have to understand who I am right. That those seven things that I said are kind of wrapped around my identity. I you have to understand the priority of those things like all of that work like we. We always are like okay. Well how am I going to get to the next thing to the next level to the next accomplishment the next income whatever and so we set goals we create habits. We do all these things that that often are at odds with who we are as individuals. And it's because we don't want to take the time to do the work necessary zero to lay the foundation like a biblically There's a similar story but like nobody's stupid enough to build a house. On on a Dune they just know that is gonNA blow away as soon as the wind comes up right no foundation. You want to build that House on solid rock and so I need the lay and we need to lay foundations for ourselves that are solid and the only foundation that we will create that is solid is one that is birth in who who we are as individual unique people if we try to do anything else because some guru or influence or told us we had to. We've blown Bologne it and we will spend the rest of our life discontent with who we are sitting here like. I really WANNA draw. These things anomaly. Second guessing I ash. Should I be doing any of those things but I know that they are definitely things from that list that I can take in veteran corporate into my life and things that may be harnessed congruent with WHO I am so that I need to acknowledge that works for Ryan. Miller doesn't work for Ryan Sullivan to Ryan's slightly different up. Yeah well this has been absolutely awesome conversation. Any last words of advice for the fathers out there may on Yeah you don't have it together. You won't have together. You need a lot of support. You need good friends. That are supportive of their wives. That are supportive of their children. Children that have some sort of balance to their life they have some sort of foundations set for themselves. And then you just need to make sure that you are regularly together Lee hub weekly talking through the good and the bad of your everyday life and if you're willing to do that you will become the Basta leader that your wife and kids could have possibly ask for. That's so good cutting but really good so Ryan. If anybody wants to get in touch with you learn more about you. What's the best way to do that? So I have a lot of fun. On Social Media You can follow me on instagram. At Rj. 'em Sales Sales Perot. I'm on linked in at the same names at rj 'em sales pro. or You can just look up Ryan. James Miller my websites Ryan James Miller Dot Com Hong and for any of you youthful parents out there. I just started the kick talk account. Anna been messing around with my kids on there and if you're tick tock that's at RJ in sales pro. Who knows may just catch me dancing or doing something really stupid but unlike to have a lot of fun so those are good ways also will post all of this in the show notes who I'm still not sure on talk. I gotTa make make my way over there you. It's about yeah. It's probably worth at least at least scoping out well against for join us today. It's been fantastic. Awesome Ryan thank you. Thanks so much for listening to this episode of Excellence Mindset with James Miller enjoyed. Today's is episode. Please leave a review and subscribe for more content and to stay up to date visit. Why James Miller Dot Com? We'll catch you next time.

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Over The Rainbow: Angel Chronicles Episode #42

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Over The Rainbow: Angel Chronicles Episode #42

"Tipping in a lifetime warranty or you can get there through the link on our website Southgate Media Group DOT COM hey somewhere over the rainbow there's a mouthy cow this episode of Cape Some Lunatic Sidekicks is brought to you by tweaked audio awesome headphones get tweet audio dot com and use the coupon code southgate get thirty percent off seven years though my little shoes has her magic brownies anyway yes tonight we are here to discuss in two thousand and one what a couple more months of innocence love People Glauca Trinity House. I guess it's just like you know it's ironic 'cause like oh yeah cordy such a cow with painted on jeans and then later her Princess Leia outfit Angel Season Two episode twenty that's right we're almost at the end over the rainbow original air date may eight two thousand and one boy the joke episode but just like every time Cao Cao Cao with someone have an issue with women although they called the bed cows too so Ooh all off the way don't you anyway look onto the chronicles I am filled jewelry joining me as always I did not have the podcast network responsible eight am I right Diane Jan Fortunately he's now he's both for her high oh you know obviously he got sucked in the for the last episode our Sarah Obviously Yup seeded fair I mean I beat. AP Aker looks like I said she looked young today but I mean back then she'll teenager holy currently but I mean do you watch this episode I mean she looks like she's twelve or self she heard a laughing crap out in the U. Spoilers Amy acker should have been the vampire teenage she's not but anyway yeah those like Oh and then so she's chanting remove it and then the runaway slave which she doesn't realize is Fred from her vision the dog's owner caught yes cluttered cal the market that shock collar Dr how coward dog then they take out the stables the worst thing about having horses am I right we'll find out I got chased out by some demons she thought it was a demon thing but in excessive to some exotic dog you know you know the last time you warriors there are are I like regular appearance you know besides in vision allow when Fred burkle which I mean amy acker will Chung like Too Low key you I really WanNa find out I totally fair he not Walmart it's probably true Oh Yeah Oh yeah that's like here it's like you know the look the local supermarket chain I think they're pretty it's true though then we see courting repair owner carrying like some stuff on the market when she gets is going to be arrested mission so we opened up with her being chased down by some green demon like year and we relied the cow attacking over Roger How if I were her I'd like the for the powers that be staffing finally highly cutbacks in the boys on the other side yeah like angel was Cordelia little snuggie twisted but she had gotten for some dude in Castell Norwick or whatever kid oh my heart goes out to you third would like a joking with that actually read a slayer and we just never got to address it 'cause she died yeah I mean 'cause like gone all morning his buddy from last episode yeah basically I can't deal with you guys especially since Wesley said this might be a one way trip and you didn't follow everything 'cause those groceries are worth more than you almost like twice what Walmart is Edison Grocery shopping and I'm just like hundred twenty dollars by that's why we just get a Walmart I mean that's one open so then Wesley like okay now let's go back to the hotel you know warns all happy so yeah he's a good we can't go oh no getting seen in the forest like I'm looking I'm like she's Pretty Blonde House like Oh man 'cause I was like I guess maybe that's why he's starting to show really even here giving me there's no fourth thing find out about angels situation I mean it kind of works for forty though heck nearly takes up one room anyway that kind of a Larionov that blade or up and welcome to the hell map which is the first episode of what these different character pan-asain party the fight about Gavin dish randomly showing up and I'm just like Oh Gavin love you is your no reggie in my in Sucre need for all her years ahead so actually I don't do that right Sunni doctrines like up north of the bill or yeah yeah try try try shopping for gluten free the guy in guerrilla team that's true with genitals but Elsa hands 'cause they use that book when you towns and you've got to hold spot right as yes you know angels interested analyses like blonde it's like it's got to go right after she disappears he's trying to open that portal and West is like back to the hotel plan for your doubts Gordon WanNa be pushing this I mean it's not like an earth shattering plan or we're going to victim I mean they've already worked at a Cordelia department I mean you really I'm just like okay I know angels had Hicfa Ni but it's like it was just this season that he fed a bunch of you guys to Darla Andrew Salaam like the rarely eventually do have a friend who designed it reminder now this perjure white who offer that seems very recurring theme pretty much so leave the car behind because that's the thing they find they figure out is like when you go through the portal yet separated a Kaz accordion lords cussing mustard asset-backed that much by even if you do get him out of that hotel airfare moving is adding annoying does a lot but it's angel what burks I computer average considers heard Wesley friends I mean especially after you know curly or not then yeah okay family it like a magical 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okay guys turn me evils here try to victims from my home to who've tell 'cause I guess the lease is up in six months and her car new car father glass Farah from he's got that old car but I mean yeah I just love the Wesley see have you know coup- couple swords you know y coats yeah Duffy I think I think they use the friendship with cordy to get him in the door in any developed like a friendship with Wesley which became strained loader on Cenex season see mixture to but I decided to say when realize I'm not burning aw they had to moons but I I I know different different dimensions like magic the discovery there's certain things behalf stanford places exactly at the up one a while like the try to write it down on another I can I can get you know he he is a spell a binding spell we might come out as a weird Siamese twin on the other side angels now people go into town and get you know you get attacked by the townspeople and they try to fight them off they get captured as you do I mean so lawrence people that much longer 'cause I mean again vampire strength every dimension see they they they they never go into that well I guess more next episode but it's you want to be out there looking like that needles like what human oh my Lord but how about that clunky shield call shock after they do as I forget if it's before they went through the drive through the portal or after they got there but mourns like yeah you don't WanNa go eating at a different frequently whatever around the phone but the two sons look a little red to ucs as as the Howard leaves I know wait I mean it's not like he's even a compact car like us like a reverse crypto Nian things so maybe it's to read sons she doesn't per Ohio but then they they discover they left the book behind or the book thrown out of the car whatever true can be your point is convenient so they go looking for courty he asked show-business yeah 'cause we need his mom next burial typical offended but the off the gull they actually to 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PDF notes were right the only otherwise later one time all the way there it was it was a chore how Care Her Inoue Yes I love I just love that laughing at the image trilogy Oh yeah is back now we do it we're doing this whole thing I've disjointed our favorite alive really good episodes a lot of good things by Kate happen by Kate Hello Bread you know up there for he was ever seen weird you're like once all the waiver it was it was just one it was just one episode it was like free there was a weird thing going on where like the first episode of where Gavin Parts appears on Lego game they showed up before I like we've never hit another trilogy again really like for finale like nothing ever like yeah some of it was disjointed in a healthy respect for the regionals all you need some discovery socket and enterprise I will stab backyards yeah like when there's new writers like always the Super Way and I'm like no how about you wash episode I'm serious like those visits yeah well this season it seemed weird because I mean we got like got a lot of stuff 'cause it's like you know gun joins the team and then angel goes dark then he come credit credit is technically the pros crediting okay okay okay for my needs do I I haven't I haven't been watching discovery in the enterprise enterprise is a Yemi Tewksbury watch quantum leap give you an hour explanation no oh that out to the microphone boom mechanising yes it's true they should have makes gag if I find something whenever having shoot wide-screen Joss Weeden Alternate Dimension Plots Oh say shame today thank you but at least we're but and I think I've never I don't think I've watched enterprise and the of those I think more than well no like the pilot I think I watched twice without Sienese are using the way to go versus streaming 'cause I know my charm knees don't have the music and I know Netflix just upset enterprise I mean at Troy and Reicher yeah exactly exactly what it enterprise the work I'd like Scott back you'll never see anything they sat on the whig acting like wikipedia never wrong with her to be honest the Phantom Leakey's is not a pop culture references ole correspond yeah I o because we're in quantum leap somewhere why now the making the victory for sit down for an hour and explain to you why you should for hated his guts afterwards new quantum leap no never never watch palm album Linda ever girl in a magnum Pi girl so late on DVD so maybe I missed something important I'm just saying there is the couple a minute missing from the DVD why's that oath why is that her crude less than a half house as though whether that works long do the first the first five and a half also yeah why what's the last I watched yes I'm pat you yes man but I do like that they I did it again Oh and on the DVD by the way there's like a few minutes missing of them and Kerry tasks it might immaterial I mean of course because the title but we got a couple different references to the wizard of Oz and this episode how could you not Tali shame it why what are they looking for when they're looking for forty minutes clear watches note La Pyla where Ya Zubaida buffy and supernatural late the God the fans of those who does not show better than those kids that the yeah I watch any of them more than once or twice I don't think I've ever seen every episode I mean I'm on the LASSIE's they're actually in ores any terrible BBB's I'll impact coaches like laziness like a legal reason or anything the tooks it's only one season but I think I remember here I'm trying to I watched it on TV but I can't remember but I swear I heard somewhere that like yeah they had those yeah because of course the title over the Rainbow is from the song from the wizard of Oz but then also in the beginning when clicker heels together three times yeah I know that what part of that two thousand five strike was a battle yeah so Jordan yeah yeah okay they never gave us a musical episode instead we not puppet Hokey list is one of my favorite episodes season five rush anyway I give this episode solid me I don't know it just wasn't like wake snarky cordy which we will twenty twenty five now like twenty twenty two twenty twenty two onscreen 'cause they change all the fight us indie bands they're just grateful for the frigging coverage accua appeared on voyager couple times to Detroit lack with Cathy j ways okay we're GONNA DO TNG seasons two through seven run had the Dow can you I hate that take that will didn't they do that with birds of prey in the late the other leg rapids is like the looking glass and there's no place like far sklar urban I read for now right sadness grand when he is in that somebody's gathering stupid urges the covers car lease regularly go a branch or solvent like the four stooges yeah especially when it comes tumbling through the door at the end yeah yeah I q you know what I have no idea so did so did I but I remember watching TV. 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Crashing Through the Snow

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Crashing Through the Snow

"Bramble jammed podcast. Hello america in the world as brand. And i love hallmark christmas movies. Hello world. It's me panda. Glad you could be here today. And i like homework christmas movies. Hey everybody in the world and the universe you never know never know. Never want one. I wanna i'm dan. I despise hallmark. Christmas movies in this. Is the deck hallmark podcast hours. Yup oh yeah yup. Yup you're watching tv screen. You're like these guys mirror situation are getting early or they in the opposite seats is normal. You'd be wrong. Nope same seats. Always you're going crazy. yes no. We're different and it was. I and i didn't wanna bring this up to you but the big reason why is your right side. is distracting on so many different levels. And i couldn't do the so. I pitched this thing that dan i was like. Let's move the whole studio around. I've got to tell you this over here. So that does not wiring across. But all of a ruse. Yeah because i don't like your rights. I gotta tell you. I can't believe. I agree because his right side is distracting offensive. It's brutal offensive offensive offensive. It's done right offensive. I don't know what you want me to do about my right side. I want you to get a left side. Strong side left side higher buddy. Welcome to the hallmark. Pre mom a very exciting day today because it is christmas in july. And you might be wondering no new movies. Now you're doing all these all boys. Well guess what suit her mad the crew. That's haggling us. There is a new one and it's called crashing through the snow and we're we're doing that. We're covering it today now. What did happen to the studio audience because we flipped the studio entirely and so the studio audience is behind us. Yeah we yeah. We have installed the chairs. Yeah and so. They are watching on a screen. They may as well not even be basically. They're watching on a screen from behind. So all we can hear or just boys -tracting. Yes but not as distracting as you're right and i can't even get into it like if you could see up close like me you'd be run for the hills guys noam sensitive about the right side. You'll you haven't done anything about it. I can't years. I've been on your right side and you haven't done anything about it and it's offensive now that i'm over here. It's time i'll do. Okay thank you what are you what are you gonna do. You don't need to know. I do need to know. I'm not gonna tell you you don't you don't deserve it if you can't love me at my at my never said i didn't love you. I said it was offensive. There's a difference. You're saying who i am and how i how i how the right side is offensive. Exactly what i'm saying. Yes okay well. I do locker my heart. This is odd bit. But i like it. This is what people are talking about when they don't like our show. Hey one other thing before we get going The western bulldogs lost sydney. This weekend and look no wait a minute. I think we should probably take some responsibility ask. We started running around about melbourne. Yes coming up a couple of weeks and we have so many listeners from melbourne and we the problem is as we looked ahead. we did. We didn't look at this in front of us. We tenure clock brings better better. Let's straight ahead to melbourne and we were not focused on sydney to be. So that's on us. To be fair. The pep talk would gave the boys before. Go roofing you said. Don't worry about this when melbourne's in two weeks listen guys as your owner and boss. That guy's really quick bran here. I wanna come here. You looking at his right side in boys trainwreck. But i gotta tell you. Oh my gosh mates. You'll bobby's delightful. Don't worry about this. let's go down this go down. Get ourselves Some some some drinks. He's right boise with me here and let's do it. Don't worry about this boys. i'm dan. I'm excited about melbourne. I did not excited about. Sydney sydney is a bunch of nobodies. They're much. Huskies can rig very briefly there in my split. Didn't you mean i did aussies. Then they lose. They lost to sydney. So we lost a bunch of aussies. A you said. Don't worry about melbourne no. I said. I'm worried i'm excited about. I'm excited about melbourne. Don't worry about sydney. You wanna take it to the tape. We'll take it to the tape. Unfortunately that take into the tape Technology which we normally is ready for them. We'll get to it so that story doggies university confident we lost to sydney. Nobody loses it. You don't lose the know. Still i still think mean off aussies still took us where you're going with that spare and i'm science brought up your eyesight to the crew. That was it just undermine me in front of the boys. And in front of the lads. And when the lads get angry crashing through the snow originally aired on july tenth. Twenty twenty one. Can you believe in and Maggie is a single mom who is having to deal with the fact that her ex husband is dating a new gal. Her name is kate's they have two kids together. Her ex husband. Jeff is going to spend christmas with kate's family and he's going to take the girls with him but when kate's find kate finds out that maggie is never been a christmas away from two girls. She says why. Don't you just tag along and crash with family. Christmas maggie. Maggie is enjoying the jain house and her room with a sonnet in it. She's dancing she's singing and all of a sudden comes walking in and And it was like. Oh hey this is my room. And she's like nah. His name is sam. He's kate's brother. No one knew that he was coming into town for christmas but here he s when sam finds that maggie is a marketing designer brand brand builder designer brand builder. She's a big big brain bill. Bill for you to say He's he's says. Hey can you make me a pitch deck and exchange. I will help you spend more time with your kids in a way. I guess she says deal they go skiing. She's bad at it. They make gingerbread houses not also not great but they have a lot of fun and they win at the reindeer games. Been you know what happens when you went. The reindeer games We find out that he is trying to. Is he trying to buy back the tells you just you're though re restaurants yes so he doesn't want the restaurant. It's a pitch deck to be a chef. No that doesn't make any sense. I think later on they make it sound like it's just about what So anyways he wants to in some way shape or form be back at the hotel that his dad sold after Same's mom died when maggie finds out that jeff is going to propose to kate. She says. I better not be here for that. This could be super weird. And same as i have a good idea. I'll take you to the sweet cool. That i had access to. And we can blow off my pitch. And she says great idea. They're in the pool their steamy steamy fun times they kiss. And then there's a moments where they get this call and we don't know what to call spell but it seems serious. They get out turns out. That maggie's oldest daughter's having a hard time with this whole proposal thing so she ran away. They find it they talked to. Her and sam is really liking maggie but after the pep talk of the year from dad on now he's like well. This would just confuse things with the kids. I better get outta here. So he leaves. He goes missing. christmas happens. And it's christmas nights and he comes back he's like. I'm sorry. I went a little crazy because my dad gave me a really bad pep talk. I have to tell you how i feel. And here's how i feel. I like you. I liked your watts. And they kiss what i can only as frigging big ones ban and that my friends was through the snow who we hit it few mackic. There came a key people in the facebook group. You watch slava the facebook. They're saying that the switcheroo is really thrown them off and to be fair. Once you've watched someone for hundreds of episodes do something a certain way to have it flipped on. You can cause a little bit. I feel anxious. I feel like i'm a. You're sitting in the exact same way to happen. So i don't like why. I guess we can move it and then run it. We had it back in the first the first days. And we're recording in your footnote. In in his house. I was still to the left. Oh my goodness no. This is no time we've done this and the studio downtown not our stuff when When will produce us for just for the ninety cents asked by you or more but aside from that one time. This is the time i've ever been on your right side offensive you will. It's super offensive. There's no way around it working. I've been working a long time trying to fix it. What have you been doing. Because it's not working creams creams creams. Does it work. I mean we're the. Where are you putting the creams. Just to just in general vicinity. I've gotta take a break. We're own my gosh. what a week i had. I was watching all of the christmas july movies that i could possibly dream. It was amazing. And i was fast forwarding. Things to do you know why. Why have a special button but try unlimited. Dvr limited non. Stop fun so it's a limited and nonstop unlimited. Long does the dvr last though. Because you know did. They expire too quick calculations a fully years. This magic tv phone lands stream service. No that's not what it's called it all. It's called filo imagine that has the cost one hundred dollars a month. I'll try again. Try twenty five twenty five dollars. What if i told you this. He wasn't quick. I'll secret for you. Okay filers giving our listeners and our listeners. Only twenty five percent austral twenty two months she town for so many people to sign up what we know that twenty five percent to shot up from the mountain tops. Boys girls everybody. Welcome back next year. Our best of is just gonna be all the final uber missing out. I feel bad for the people and bramble jim plus skipping over those boys because they are old. I don't even think filo is an ad sometimes. I'm just like that was a way of life. It's the way of life Let's talk about crashing through the snow. That's a new christmas in july moving. And you know the last time they aired a new one. It was christmas camp camp polk and we watched it. It was utter car. You said it was your favorite movie of the year. And so i imagine what's coming our way right now. I can't even imagine it. Because you thought. Christmas camp bobby campo. If christmas camp was the only movie. I've seen in a year. It still would not be my favorite. Your here's the good news. Boy we start with the hot take and we share how he felt the way. I don't think we have to wait very much longer. But i'm going to start paying that. Because i do think he's. He's when you know. He's like the lasagna. When you first of all the lasagna noodles you need that base down there. You and i are cheese and sauce. Yes yes and he's the noodle he's give it up everybody for your favourite part of noodles. The thing that doesn't really have that much flavor but hold us all together the noodles everybody. I'll take that because to be honest with you. That's very kind. i normally get. That's being called offense to be to be fair. The ub news does not make up for the fact that yours. Right side of her face is watchable. I hear you i understand. I see that too. I don't know we're doing this as she mean-spirited no cincinnati. But that's because everyone knows this is tongue in cheek. If you really saw my right side you be shocked said tongue in cheek when talking about you know that is offensive. Go ahead what do you call it. A christmas movie i would. I would dare call a masterpiece. This movie is awesome with a capital a. Because i loved this movie hard. Here's why characters develop kids awesome christmas coldly there and relationship sizzling. There's bubbles here now do you think remember. Ask them years ago. Yes ms camp bobby camp. Yeah uh-huh and brain was so excited to see christmas. He came out of the gate. Hot best movie seen all year. Are you making the same mistake. That brandman made it two years ago. I know because. I was not excited about christmas in july. I don't get as excited about this. I think this christmas in july is ridiculous. I genuinely think that this is a good christmas movie. I really do. I think that this is a really solid outing for hallmark. Probably would been my top ten for last year. I really liked this movie Yeah the family. Plot is intriguing to me. I thought it was interesting. How they paste everything. I didn't think that their relationship was over the top either because at the very end instead of having a love you like like so. This was a dolt relationship where they're having to balance take into consideration a lot of moving pieces because she is a divorced. Mom it's really of complicated situation where her kids are kind of torn between parents. And they navigate that. I thought pretty well in this movie overall and yes so a big fan of this movie really charming. Really sweet. A lot of really. We'll steamy moments. Steaming daime steam. Yeah so i have seen this team. You what stimulus stimulus man. It was the steamiest. Saw that law. Yeah yeah for a kids band especially wild. Is it my turn. I wrote it down on this straw rattle. Enough here comes best movie up the year. This is the best of the it was always you. Yeah better than i tell you I liked it better. Better made quality just go. i'd have to. I always use really good man. I love this movie and you know you said you putting your top ten. From last year i would put this probably top five four shore I love this movie. And i gotta say this if this is the type of stuff that homeworks working on for twenty twenty one put on your watch him pants because they're going be full by the end of the day. I don't know what that means. Know what it be put on your watch them pants because you're going to need them like the twelve hour one. Oh my gosh. The twelve hour ones or shooting shooting. What is your absorption at and should we get the twenty four hour watching pants for the marathon. We'll we'll have to ask. Sue twelfth changed during the marathon. Four okay fair enough. Get your watching pants on. Because i like the good lord shining upon us like this is a great movie. Gave me all the christmas feels. I just thought it was fantastic and Please more of the same cert- like can i have some more. Yes thank you. I do want to mention this name Specifically and. I don't know how to say that. I tried to reach out to her to get the correct pronunciation pronunciation of her name. She did not respond. That's okay tamar laddy tamar laddy. What are you laughing at. Ti did the throat situation when he got paid. Tamara laddy wrote this movie. It is her first homework. Movie tomorrow at hallmark. You gotta have tomorrow laddy right all of your movies because crashing through the snow. july tents. christmas release is the most airtight written homework movie. I think i've ever seen adults are having adult conversations. The new girlfriend the ex husband not a monster. People are living normal lives. They're having normal conversations. They're joking about normal things. It's side from a christmas eve pitch which is dumb. The movie is script holds up under the scrutiny of the three of us. That's that's very very impressive. amy acker and why can't think of his name now most wonderful time of the year and and if i only had christmas Declan mccullagh guy mccullough getting credit. Yeah those two are great. Have great chemistry together. The christmas decorations are through the roof. It does not in my opinion. Get to the level of. I didn't wasn't an enjoyable enough movie for me to say that i really loved it but if you like these movies this one hundred percent is for you. I can't believe they showed this july. I can't believe. I feel like it must have been like a. Hey let's give them what we've got some good stuff in the hopper. Yeah that's teases boy. Because it's christie is worn christie opened up from too but this would legit like i'm thinking back over my. I don't assign my top five from last year. Some delivered by christmas and five store. Christmas like i m might be taught. This may have been third for me. Yeah if it'd come out. I miss bill christmas bo. You got christmas house gotten us project. Christmas Yeah product christmas and that was the top five. I think this is a this would have been a top five. Let's go ahead and call it top three of last year. And here's the weird thing is after watching the movie. Which i never do this. I looked at the comments because we have a common thread in the facebook group. If you're a double decker number plus they weren't nearly as high on it as we were like. I couldn't believe how much that i really did. Think this one held up. And i was like i wonder. What the the double decker side and there was a ton of comments. It was almost four hundred comments but across the board. We're not nearly as high. And i'd read a lot of comments as the three of us were on and so then i was like maybe it's just me. Maybe you're started was was phenomenal. Wow this is this is believe this showed you'll attempt can't believe they did and i'm sure somebody in the facebook group loved it but the overarching theme of the comments was. This was not their best. Which is wild so warren christie and amy acker crossed it britain. Great in this movie. I love brooklyn for into the show. Brooke-nevin love crayton's happy. She's back to love brook- let's feels so we were talking about one in. This movie is feels panda. Have a multiple scenes. First of all men killed gilmore. Girls they have a gilmore girls dialogue which just made me thrillers taught of which i couldn't believe dating grants. Yeah it was awkward when they're talking around the table. 'bout bumbled that whole scenes awkward in the best way i just loved it. The snow in the hot tub or wherever allied bring hot springs holy smokes says the scene to remember. It's it is steaming. Mcphee's a steam. It front we've never seen anything like that in a hallmark movie where they're kissing in a hot tub or hot springs. I don't think we've seen that Remember i don't know it's great And then i think my my kind of low key. But i really liked. The scene was as they're all decorating the tree with and what's her name again. I can't maggie and the kids are all decorating the tree together and the dad walks in and notices that okay. He's moving on the families. Have having a moment. Where they're bonding together. And he just looks knowingly walks. I liked that. I thought that was a really great scene for the dadan. This really really good. So make good scenes in this movie this with aplomb brought in your dislike. God really really like to try it again. Yeah go back to this. Just police camera two three three police. Thank you right here right here. Okay this movie has so many scenes that so good at the end that got me it was i. Keep it up sums up for you crashing through. There's a there's a. There's a try. They do some traditions in this movie. And you know. I love a good tradition. You're traditional christmas boyd. What is bobby campo One of the traditions they have is they read them. They read some christmas books. Love christmas books and one of the book that they have here in. This movie is a I don't remember the name of it. Smells like christmas or something like that. It's a scratch and sniff. Christmas book. And i had that book as a kid and i would whip it out every year. And i'd i'd scratch scratch and sniff a wonderful time and over the years you know with like anything scratch and sniff. It's slowly fades away the smell so you're just kind of like scratching it and helping well when my son b- was one. I bought him that book. That same book. That's in this move. Same smells the same smell. Same smells everything. And it's because. I wanted him to have a book would smell and then eventually it would stop smell just like for me and so they use that book and this movie and so are you kidding me. All the fields you can. I love that then. the the decoration of like at the end of this movie is not only is it. Hey i've known you a week. I like you a lot instead of i love you. Wonderful the what he says building up to that is great and then the kiss. Are you kidding me right now. Gosh the kiss at the end of this movie is a top three hallmark. Kiss lord easily. You're gonna you're gonna let that kiss was better than the sweet autumn kiss andrew walker nikki alicia washington movie. And they're like. Oh i guess we got to do another movie together. Kidding dowa something dude. Loss was only is the crushed it. Yeah the end of this movie really knocks bonkers really good. Because they can't go in they have a nice little one and then like they come back again for a double double times and boys out of double time. so let's take another quick break What what was a quick cripple. What do you mean okay. Let's take another somebody cut it together. So he's gonna think we edit this podcast. We're going to be right back real quick. Sometimes it rains on your birthday. Sometimes the line for coffee wraps around the building in the homes so sometimes gas goes up ten cents an angel. Sometimes life stinks. The good news is that you have to read. I introduce you guys to native deodorant natives. Here for you when life stinks. 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You want to so somewhere between six and twenty four. there's those world brick can be broken. You say so. It did the guy who did like twenty to want to do it. that main. that's the world record. I don't think he wanted to no one wants to. They want to do sixteen. That's after taking very confidently on this issue. But i'm as safe better version. Let's talk about the wait. What's this where we're talking about. What in this minutes go way what. I'm going to throw it in a good friend. Ralph sillier ralph ralph. Okay buddy chad. Did you have a way what you wanna do. I had was not the Hot springs yeah. The out there was i go by boys mine cross over lists here not that on man. I'm out i do have that. Pool is not a natural hot spring. No that's why. I was definitely a hotel swimming pool right. I do like it at the very beginning. Well not the very beginning of one point Maggie says she loves decorating the trees for favorite traditions. And sam says me to as if this is a shocking thing were decorating. The tree is shocking that you find somebody else enjoys that as one of their favorite traditions. I feel like that's a fairly common one right like that's one of the early like giving presents at christmas. What about you. i can't believe it They established that. There's a ton an absolute ton of fireplaces in this home eight of them for some reason brooke nevins character. I can't think of her name. Was kate is still trying to stuff. All of the rookie. The stockings were all supposed to be in one place you talked about scattering them around like she had her plan was to have them all in one place. Somebody else was like. Hey you should put them on different plan. Whatever this is. It's an airtight movie. I'm gonna say it was good. The only other one is hector. This isn't really a. It's just a funny scene to me just the way. Maybe it was written. Hector comes on in and he at the very end. He's like who are you looking for. You look like you could use some hot cocoa. She goes now. I don't really need a hot cocoa you should. You should probably want you probably want to get home to your family. And hector goes. Yeah i do and then just walks away pretty much. I i think that's funny. I like the truth. Hector hector didn't make that cocoa. Would you may cocoa now. I want to go home now. I don't think the hot springs hot ralphie's coming in hot with that one. You is that all you got. I got one more. Yrant is his last week was what we all live. And this is the best one day. Take the wrapping paper from every president and they make ornaments ornaments and the little girl says we use wrapping from every presence. We can remember the gifts we got. And i just want to point out. Maybe things are a little bit different. I never remember the wrapping. Gosh no like i. I rarely remember the gifts much less came in. Oh yeah the fact that you use unless they decorate like they put it in something and put the gift on the card because they didn't make any sense to happens. I just that's impressive. If you can remember like years later be like remember. This is the one. I got my timmy. Timmy springsteen's do when you got your timmy. Springsteen's or their pair of shoes. No action figure action figure tomase awesome. Tv show springs through. I love the best. I love that show Little racism really loud drink. You just did try. No a parched. Apart don't trick it at all. I mean i was able to do it pretty quietly. Let's love crispy tried again. Don't do it again. I love christmas music more than anybody. That now i listen to it all year. I love it. I don't know anybody that has the lyrics to the song. Christmas wrapping memorized. I don't know anybody the song that that she says twice i. That's a real salt. A real saw surreal song. I thought they made up for us a real song. This is by the cranberry. It's by the nets were nets with that. I mean buddy who has memorized. And in fact i've covered that song before and i still don't know the extent. No one knows the lyrics this song. It was a very interesting choice. We got here. I'm pulling it up the waitresses waitresses. It's kind of like the net nets. I saw at one point. She asked if she falls down on. These slopes she has to get her arm put in a little Little little cast cast and it does not last long no budged. It is a it's red and green tape to which my guys sam says. Well you look like a candy cane. That's not even she says. Do you have a color wrapping. Doesn't make me look like a candy and candy. Canes by and large red and whites white yes i would just like to say. She is not good at ice skating. They're getting ready for the reindeer games. She's doing some lessons and she goes from not being able to get it all to being able to do the to do a full little just day of learning for her and my last one and it is a old doozy boy see. He had plans. He had planned to pitch deck on christmas. That's right and that was bonkers with what's even more bonkers is. He bailed on that and then pitched it on christmas morning. that's right. He went from having to pitch it on christmas eve. And saying no thank you. He said i'm gonna bay along this. I gotta steamy fun times to have now to then saying hey any chance tomorrow morning like it was such an interesting thing. That is the one thing in this movie that we're nitpicking. Wait what's but the one thing in this movie that's just had to be there for the sake of the plot but doesn't make any sense is one hundred percent him pitching to be the chef of a restaurant. I think on christmas eve and then christmas morning. It doesn't tell. And twenty. Six hundred. If i got the best for everybody scheduled to christmas morning. When everybody's would you ever take a business meeting on. No it would have to be for all like i. I just can't imagine read enough money. Ten million dollars. How long's it last the last all morning to two hours late morning. Sure but i'm not missing my kids. I would skip lillian. Ten million dollars. Remember now you could get away with him. And i don't care when this i'll care flown in from tokyo. Skip that and i would sit there and be like maybe look. Dinner table makes more important than the money's flown in from lily lake or his daughters raw. This is a one day. He's studying in tokyo she. She studied abroad in tokyo. Yeah wanted to hear. Sorry sorry. I helped staying planning on. She really likes the coach. She loves would all foods pensive. But she's doing well so far she's studying Big market that's the place. And that's why i told her. Degree in big markets you write your. She's she's pretty much. They're paying her to go can study big markets and study in the big marquette boy. That's why i told her. I said trouble crowns. It's just. It's it's the dovetail dovetails even if this was a one day home. I'd sit there for ten mil because at that you're paying for her big market. Oh yeah at that point. I had no no more than loan. Fafsa forget it. You can afford the food in tokyo. Yeah after her you could. You could double you double your order double your order. How generous of you. I think it's pretty great triple though by all means well i mean you don't want blow through it and be better. You think tripling down meal. I promise you. That's what we'll do it. go ahead. i have a few. I don't know if this one is a whitewater just to comment on the leads in this film but there are four adult leads in this movie and three of them are unbelievably attractive. And one of them is me. And i i as as someone who in my actual life one hundred percent out kick my coverage and married someone way out of my league. I'm not saying it's not realistic. I just kept looking going. These three people are in one boat and this guy could be on this podcast and it was unbelievable to me that this was happening. I that was not what necessarily but it just was interesting to me you know. Let's go to the program at the beginning of this movie. First of all franklin elementary in austin texas. And they're in austin where the education is at its finest on their flyers. They spell elementary with no a. e. l. e. m. e. n. t. r. y. Is what it says. It says elementary all agree that all eases easier. We can't agree there. I think that things are school. Wrong is bad to spell it on the school. Sign real bad. Hopefully that's not the pitch deck. She made no this all known and then again it is easier amy acker character. Yeah all these. You don't have to worry about the this you're good to go. Amy acker shows up right before supposed to start with me soapies in the play. She's that we're gonna get a terrible seat. Sixty seats in the place and her friend has a seat saved on the front row. She's like oh thank goodness she goes up there and her friend says now mind you. There's maybe sixty seats in here. I've been here since two pm. What she says. I've been here since the starts at four. She'll like it was immoral movie. Get a front row seat for sophie. Dancing around is a snowflake for like ten minutes. I also was confused by that. I made sense of it in my mind. Like shirley she must be a part of like she may be. She's the director. Maybe she's involved in some way you just had. She's wanna get that front row seat two hours early two hours early. This vowel early when star wars came back. I just telling you the longest. I've ever I got see a dark night. I'm max they didn't there was before reserve. Cdc two thousand eight. Believe dark knight. In the i max and i worked not middle of the night ten thirty or three. Am to nine am for shift. I did something else during the day. I got dark knight tickets the following night. And i got there four hours early and i was not the first one in line. I was fifth personal on four hours early. And i just had to sit. There brought crossword puzzles. My longest star wars episode seven because it was also before reserved in greenville. At least and you had to get there you had to get seats. But i got to star wars for mine. I got there two hours early and we were good. We got the seats. i wanted. And you're with me but you saw it before twice in one night Yeah and i waited two hours. Think i waited in line. Probably three dork nine two hours for both the first time and then i i walk up i right so this is safe. Yeah this was saved but dark night. I max that was the only and he was shot on i. Max those on the only imax within like till chicago so whatever four hours away and legit like was just gonna get a good seat not going to get a bad scene. The max and i went four hours early. And we're gonna meet me there later. And i vote in the first point i was going to be the first one in line. Nope people in front of me. How many four people in from me. I was a fifth person. And how long have they been waiting. I chev asked him. I should've but the theater hadn't even been open that long. We have surprised we actually have him on the line today. Oh my goodness people that were in front of me at dark. I'm ex in line. What's your name is tina. Tina how did we get a hold of your information. Who found who he found me. Why is this for you if you look. I talk down to your resume. To how long did you wait in line for thirty. So you're there thirty minutes before me. Remembering yes i okay. Wow that sound great. Your wife walked. That i said that guy out kicked cup. Yeah that's true. That's true but she was not with me when i got there in line and say what she showed up. I was keeping an eye on. Who's now do you follow him afterwards. No no now tell me. She showed up before the movie. Can you tell me the name of the theater. That was installs place thirty. It was not win place thirty. That's been there though i've not. I don't know what that is. That's a fake name. Rick you may not have been the person in front of me stills house thirteen never been. You've never been to winston's house thirty. Wait till i tell you what they're showing later. Back to back showings of back to the future but refers i so in place third place thirty. Your accent is unique. Love a car in south carolina us. Yes sir. I was in saint louis when i saw the movie. I'm from south carolina as well as their house thirty. Those i went up there or a future to back to back but reverse. There's three of those no the first one back to back you so you can start at the end that i don't know why you would do. That sounds like a terrible idea. We have tickets to go late right. Teen is tina in the studio with those. I call you. Had her on them in the crowd also fina. There were four people in front of me. Where is it all all of you there. Yeah okay you whom with you michael mattie move michael mattie and move your move for all of how you doing good talk. He couldn't do it with those who has classic move for move. I don't know why people don't like the bit. They always work winston's house thirty. Were we you on your wait. What so yeah. let's see. oh yeah i am. Shocked and appalled at how long it takes to brain. Trust to make a pitch deck. I just like its offensive. It is just brand makes a pitch deck. Because i don't make can. Brain makes them under an hour under an hour. They are working for weeks on a wire. Deals always okay. So maybe it's the way what is us how much you put on that all tax. Yeah no pictures alter alternate and it's like six point font there so cool you. No one's gonna ask us how we started the podcast and so do it. As if you're listening right now don't ask pitch show who on the back of your ticket. It's going to be like in april of twenty eight ten. So yeah we're just to do that. That's what we're gonna do. I actually love it. I hate it. But i love it because i get to look at brands. He tells the story once again I want to be clear. She li amy actors character leaves because she doesn't want to be there when her ex husband proposes to someone else which rightfully so him proposing in front of his daughters is great in any sort or in any way and she tells dude she has to leave. She's like bro. i gotta leave. There's nothing i can do. And he's got this pitch. But i'm gonna bail to do the thing with you. They can do both things right. Like how long is this pitch where he can't drive her downtown her set up at the hot springs. Go and do the pitch and then come back like this is not a hard solve for him to go and pitch the thing. He's been working on for ten days. That doesn't make any sense. But the last one i have and you can't take this to the tape. There's a very brief snowball fight. The smooth you can't that's broken. The tech is still brooklyn for taking things to the tape. So there's no way to take it to the type right you're going to have to trust me then casino listening to this. No one listening to this can take this to. The tape is what i'm understanding they can. I said you're going to have to take this to you. Can take the tape. And i'm talking to the listener. No that's on me every time you said you. I assume you're talking to trains choice. I'm not even look at your in my ear. Oh no no now. You're not the coverage. I kicked you wit your lamps. That meet. I got no idea what it means. Here's a snowball fight. The two girls. I think are throwing at each other. Amy akers character gets out of the car. The throw a snowball at it bounces off of her. It doesn't explode. It just goes boom boom right into the ground. Not even real close. Yeah bounce off. it's just hurt. Feel good the whole marcus smart show. We wonder what could have been. Maybe having gives some clearly the questions that we still have. I'm going to ask you to turn that plane off sir. Let's start with you. Panda any questions that you still have The only one. I really wanna to know about his billy and the ski ski team or ski kids key. You'll get it. Yeah that's key. Kids kids qian billy. That ski instructor singles out. Billy he goes billy. I'm looking at you billy. He goes no no mess around with the polls billy. I'm looking at you and this guy. Seems like he has really been going through it. I want to know what billy has. Put him through up to. Let's see up to bill. Billy's no good. Bill is no good. You heard it here. I guess. I don't think billy's good. How many times has he been there. That has caused an instructor that much grief like. How many times has he been taking the beginners class. Were were billy's arabian singled out. Or is this all -rageous like billy sir. And he's already running amok with the ski poles. I just have to know about billy. Billy billy please. My one question send comes down. Blended families are tricky. And it's tough to know higher going to handle the kids and who gets them and for the especially for holiday season and they make again allow drinking the they make they make a point to say that. That maggie's never been apart from the kids at christmas so it does seem like they always spend christmas together. They have these traditions. I just want to know. I wish we could back up a month when they plan this. And how that conversation went like. Is it his christmas with the girls. Here's what i- lor or did he just say. Hey i'm gonna go meet with that. Okay do they have because it doesn't seem that they would need that arrangement. So how did that conversation publishing spend christmas together. Every year really helped give some leeway there because the fact that they spend it together every year. It's not nearly as big of an ask for him to say. Hey we're going to. I'm going to aspen trying to take the girls whereas if it's if it's a switching off years different story because then it would have to be his year but they spend christmas together every year. Maybe but it almost seems like because it's a it's the first time she's ever so it almost seems like it would be a bigger which is playing that up. It is a big deal and so she's missing out on things. But i just wish we were pretty curved compensation christmas break with a different parent every year. Maybe and this was his ear got. I'm gonna throw one you guys ready for this a hub. You're at him. He she Amy acker starts really digging a warren christie. He and they that's fine. They start really getting hot and heavy. And then they get married and the x. gets married to brooke-nevin and then what if those to realize. We both are going to get half a quarter of the inheritance. The two new spouses by marianne unless they signed a pre nup. There's a lot of money here. They're both entitled to half of the spouses inheritance pitch. They divorce each other. And then what if they realize we could. We could both stand up a huge windfall. Gosh we could take half of their money. An absolute monster. Your napkin take half of their money and their best friends. They could easily scheme that you get easily but this is why this is a classic pre-nup all right. You gotta have in this case. You've known her for a week. I saw both of them. There is not a punk to be found so they want pre-nup we did everybody. Congratulations just under right there. First christmas the year it feels good. Go through a good count towards you know when they say we got forty one. This coun- bobby campo didn't last time. So bobby campbell. Always counseling our hearts Guys let's get to this one double decker of the week. It's where we say decorative. What was the thing you said during the very safe for. Oh what was it. We forgot already. Safe fun and say dan today. Kelly minors kelly. Minors valley minors. You walked in today and you said it's minors time and we didn't know what you meant by. That felt weird but now it all makes. Yeah yeah and it was weird. I didn't tell you with a context. And that's on me Just yell that out go ahead and get to the store to nowhere was going. Go ahead go ahead. What are we got. Yeah miner-style got Run day care. What are you got just too good. She runs a great little. Great little nonprofit called jingle tells front jingle bells jingle engel tells us some sort of hotline is whenever. It's more like a telegram kind of situation. A traveling telegram dog in his face. Would you like just kidding we. Are you hypnotize. No jingle tells just do you like it. Dan whenever you need to tell somebody. Hey sort news. good news. News news is amid. All you go ahead and you hire jingle tells they'll go ahead and they'll tell the news for you festively okay. So any sort of niche. So if you had to fire somebody they come on in and they don't with bells dancing String pack thing. Yeah yes good stuff ballot. Is it going. Well fantastic only during the holidays. No it's year round year round. I sing christmas festively. Yeah they do. It like for different holidays. Oh absolutely fourth of july they did firework. bless your fire and then just launched them out pack. They do the same words or things stole some yes. It's a die when he walked across the street. It is dark. And i've talked with her and i said why don't we call it back. Dial but you know. I i'm all in. I invested all of our money in it. Wow you've done that so many times. We'll always make money. Currently some of them have paid off every single one. 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031 - Kyle Acker - The Appreciating Value of Today's Hearing Aids

Future Ear Radio

1:07:37 hr | 1 year ago

031 - Kyle Acker - The Appreciating Value of Today's Hearing Aids

"Hi I'm your host Dave camp and this is future ear radio each episode. We're breaking out one new thing one cool new findings that's happening in the world of the World Voice Technology Power. These worlds starting to intersect power. These worlds starting to collide. What cool things are gonNA come from this intersection of technology without further ado? Let's get on with the show. Okay so we're joined here today by Kyle acker Kyle tell us a little bit about who you are and what you do sure. Thanks so much Rammie Dave. I'm the executive vice. President of a company called rising T. So we're a group purchasing organization and Managed Service Organization For otolaryngology offices. Which is your nose and throat off so this we really focused on helping to build a audiology ancillaries within the offices And Our parent company odd connects works in the audiology hearing instrument specialists dispensing spaces. Well so my history is a little bit A little bit different than a lot of people. I think I've really come from a background of hearing instrument manufacturing clinic. I'm actually an industrial hygiene. Janice my original training which is not cleaning teeth and factory. Beautiful may thing but it's really around health and safety and things like that so my background is a little bit different. But that's currently what I'm doing is is heading up an organization that that helps your nose throat offices. Really Build. Great audiology practices that focus on their patients. Awesome cool. Well thank you for coming on today. I think this is going to be a great conversation. you know the reason. I wanted to bring Kyle on is because Kyle's Ben in the you know the hearing care industry for a while now. I think he knows the INS and the outs of it. So we're definitely going to get into some of the technology side I think some of the ways in which the industry can adapt to sort of our new normal Even as we sort of have things start to open back up You know in light of the corona virus but before we even get into all that. I'd just be curious for from your side of things So you got into this industry. It sounds like pretty early on In you've been here for a while. So can you share just a little bit of your journey of how you got into this where it started up at Starkey for about ten years and then now you're at rise I would love to have you kind of just walk us through that that little journey that you've had happy to it's you know it's weird as you know. I've I've been chatting with a Lotta people about my new role in physician and I've I've always felt myself to be like the kid industry and it's weird to hear that change over time like there's young people in our industry like your day that are common and doing great things and and I talked to these. These new audiologist. That are fresh out of school. They're twenty five twenty six years old there you know. I talked to these new wraps that are at the hearing companies and everything. And it's just. It's I've having like this existential moment in my career right now the most bizarre thing but because they call us a midlife crisis only thirty nine. But holy cow. I hopefully I live longer than double thirty nine. Anyway to get back to your your question. yeah so I grew up down by where year based so I grew up in southern Illinois I grew up on the other side of the river from you from Saint Louis so we always Fan yes absolutely. We always joke that it was the communist east side alley in Germany and Berlin. Right so So I grew up in Illinois and for those of you. That don't know the area if you go about fifteen miles east of Saint Louis. Do you have to Mississippi River? You go through Lewis not much left there But you go fifteen twenty miles east. It's farm country so I I grew up in the country in a little town called New Bayden Illinois and went to a small high school. There were ninety seven people in my graduating class and I had the benefit of You know I kind of knew that I wanted to do patient here And I am absolutely terrified of giving and taking blood so I knew being a physician was not going to work out well so I had the benefit as a high school project of being a You had to go out and do a job shadow it as a senior project and high school in most most of the kids that I went to high school with went milk cows pigs and and worked on a tractor and I went to the local pharmacy and Really interested in being a pharmacist so I applied and luckily migrants were good in high school. Even from this little college are from this little high school and got into Purdue University to be pharmacist so I started at purdue I was woefully underprepared to go to a big ten college from New Bayden Illinois and Wisconsin High School which is now five. Six Times is now as the metro continues to grow But but did do real hot in College. Right away decided. I didn't count by fives for the rest of my life. Is Martin assist? I was looking for something that would give me a little bit more. Direct patient care So I met a really great Advisor Purdue after I decided to transition pharmacy or RMC decided to transition me out. We'll we'll let them decide What the truth is there but But I had a great adviser named Dave take you to this day I still seek to and he said you know you've got all this really great science background from doing two years of pre pharmacy. They call it at the time There's this really easy transferred agree for you. Next said okay less Easy transfer something. I might like tell me about it. Happened to be an health. Sciences at Purdue in in a program called industrial hygiene which is focused around health and safety like told you before and and so I transferred into that it was housed in health sciences. Which was at the time was its own School at Purdue but it it sat between nursing engineering and liberal arts off almost so I took classes in civil engineering and I took classes in a nuclear pharmacy and took all these random classes so I learned a lot about toxicity and and the body and economics and working with the with the worker and so I did a couple really awesome internships One of them was a semiconductor factory in Florida on Bay Florida company called inner. Sell if you remember dear over the Old Light. Blue Box lynxes routers wireless routers right in blue and black ones. So intersil was a spin off of Harris technologies which is a huge governmental contractor. They make communication satellites and okay no guidance systems for missiles. And they're like radio. Honora dynamics and so they made the original chips. That went in the lynxes routers. There's I worked there for a while and and did Some chemical exposure assessment is as really nasty chemicals when they're making silicon waivers to turn into chips and stuff like that and then The next internship I did was with ally Lily accompany. They have called a Landco who catalan comex animal products so they may feed for animals that have antibiotics and stuff in them which is totally not cool days but they were. Kinda one of the first ones That did that and utilize a great company in a State Indiana. They're actually working on a covert vaccine right down and making really good progress but one of the things when you're making these huge vats of animal feed. Is that these machines that shakedown all the antibiotics and stuff into the food are super loud. Yeah and so They me do as part of an industrial hygiene externships. They had me do to hearing conservation program for factory. That's where I I started learning about hearing depth interest so by background in audiology and and hearing aids and all that stuff totally bizarre right totally different so anyway got interested in hearing went to graduate. School being audiologist. As part of that did I helped run a research lab for Dr King Chung Who's now northern Illinois We did some of the first research around using directional microphone technology in Cochlear implants which now is commonplace using noise reduction. Technology Goat Layer. Plant swing learned so much from her. She's awesome She's a brilliant researcher and purdue Really lost somebody great when she transferred over to. Nicu to start lab there. But I learned a lot about the scientific process and everything there so so graduated became a clinician at the American Institute of Alad so I started doing a lot of stigler stuff but still had a passion for hearing technology Did Clinic for about three and a half years. And then Was picked up by starting airing technology. So I was a I am a regional trainer at start so I used to do all the trainings on the technology and stuff. Then I was promoted after seven or eight months to manage that Training Team there And then I made a transition over into sales when the game was really looking for somebody that had some strong technical skill To help build our sales talk tracks. Things like that And then in January made the transition over to start this new company So it's been a long crazy ride. I guess I was telling new audiologist. You WanNa do something find it. You can do it. I mean I love that though I love I love people that have these sort of like meander green roads that lead them here in. You've had this like interesting combination of like you were working at Semiconductor Conductor Company which obviously has led you to being so knowledgeable about you know the innovation that's happening within the hearing aids you've had this whole aspect of the hearing conservation side Ahead of conversation with the end rutten in Brian Irvine not long ago where the mention that she's been working with like industrial workforce and. I continue to think that I'm like there's so much opportunity for this profession To just better make a different types of work settings aware of the need for hearing conservation so that you basically you get ahead of this whole problem In so I just think that's so interesting. This background that's culminated into you. Know Your Life Experience in in how they've all sort of come together in such a unique way and so we said something interesting at the beginning of this like you were like well. I I feel like I'm going through midlife crisis above of people in just got to say that you know for the audience here. The reason that I've gotten to know kyle over. The years is that he did a really good job. When I was first starting out with the blog of like you know I met him at a conference in a any supported me and he was like I'm reading your blog and in. That actually really went along way of helping me to like have confidence in like okay so there are some people that are reading this and I just think it's important that For anybody that's young and starting out right now You know there are a lot of people that were in your shoes ten years ago however many years ago where they are more than happy to help you out in in lift you up and I think that housed testament at school that we're able to have this conversation now that we've kind of gotten to know each other and I just think it's cool how it's all kind of come full circle like that and you know man. I remember when you first started writing and stuff and it it was great from the beginning And and just tons of potential But I think one of the things that all of us realize that the very beginning is that that So sometimes you have to after read through some of the marketing speak in. Yeh understand the underlying technology to truly be able to Understand IT and explain it to others around you and so I think that's what that may have been. What some of my initial guidance was you and I are talking. Is that Well it doesn't really good but But understanding the underlying technology. You know. It's funny you say that you know. A lot of people have started looking to my facebook posts. Something you know. I started writing about Cova. Yeah and how it's affecting the United States in a lot of people have and I was doing it just for fun like I need to. I need to digest data and can't Arctic. Yeah for for me to feel comfortable with it and so I started writing. Some things down Back in late February early March when cove it really started taking off and so a lot of people have started relying on that now? Are there information but one of the things that I always caution others and I will always is that look I? Anybody is just one source of information you need to. You need to be a conscious consumer of data and a conscious consumer of inspiration. It's important that you come to your own decisions on on what is real. And what is not So so that's kind of initial discussions that you and I had what is it. It's probably been five six years ago now and and how it served you so I think myself on the back of ice. Well listen to me. Well it's cool. It's cool that we can That I've gotten to build the report with you to where it's like all right now. Let's have a conversation over the past and I just think it speaks to this idea that you know going off of what you were saying about writing about. Cova is like I felt really passionate when I first started writing about this about subset of the whole industry which was technology side like I was really really passionate about it and I felt like this this desire where I was like. I need to put this interesting and I need to make this public and I didn't honestly initially it. Wasn't that big of a deal to me. Like how many people were reading it because it was just like. I felt like it was just my own process of thinking through things. And it's crazy of like how one step leads into the next and then before you know it you're like this is kind of becoming like a thing that I'm doing routinely and so going off of what you were saying with Govan. Obviously you've been following this really closely. Quick Barometer check here we are. It's recording this on. What is it may six. What's your what's your general sense right now with the the pandemic we. We don't need to go too deep into it but are you What's your general gist of where we stand right now as somebody? That's been following this as close as you have. It feels like to me that We're right in the middle of it. it's kind of what it feels like to me And my concern is I. Don't I so if you look at infection rate and death rate unfortunately And if you look at mortality rates so albany new cases do we see a day. How many new deaths a day? And what percentage of those tests positive dot right and total population as well It seems like there has been a plateau. My concern is how long does the plateau last so. I was hoping that by next week. So I've been saying you know I feel like the second week of May is the turning point in this thing said that since early April I I'm concerned that we haven't started to see a decline so when we see a couple days of of downward trending of new cases we it. It then starts to pick up again. So we're getting kind of this. Sinus soil wave which which concerns me a little bit because the hope was that things would start you know in most other countries what you've seen as that it's come up in its peaked and then it started to trail off of it in new cases and in total. Acis so Part of the reason why we're we're seeing plateau rather than a decline as that. I don't think our data sources are doing a really awesome job right now tracking people that have fully recovered so one of the ways that you see a total cases decline as well as a bunch of people get better than you deduct that number from the numerator south so we're not following up on people that get better super well than it's kind of hard to C total cases decline. But it's also you know as a country might. We've gotten really tired of social distancing in all the lockdowns and not just tired of it. I mean people are are truly suffering mayors released article this morning star. He was was was nice enough to pick it up on their blog About how important is that people with hearing impairment wear? They're hearing aids all the time even when they're at home. Because you need to keep your brain activated alerts and things like that are important but it concerns me that that we're getting tired of our own medicine a little bit And that you know you see some states like Georgia and Tennessee. Go back to what's almost normal. Florida has started to do that as well. One of my friends Down in in the west coast beaches in Florida. They went out a restaurant last night. And the only requirement restaurant it'd be twenty five percent Normal Bassetti they had a separate out the This is a highly infectious virus rain. It's it spreads like the measles on the measles we now have vaccine for on. Have one for code virus so so it concerns me a little bit that are cases are not declining and I think that For us to really recover that we need to see that and that was outlined by president in his in his reopening guidelines. And it seems like we're getting a little bit ahead of ourselves so it concerns me a bit so Now tying this back to our industry right. I think that there's been a lot of obviously just like every business Out there. I think that there's been this pent up demand off in a wind. Can we open in? How how do we actually go about doing that? you know. I. I think that one of the interesting things that happened with this. I don't mean that to make light of the situation but interesting from the standpoint of You know looking at the longer term picture here is I've seen people term this as the great accelerate meaning that a lot of the existing technologies that were already under their own maturation telehealth You know things such as that remote work in general These things were progressing steadily in. It appeared as if like down the line. We would have a future where telehealth became the new normal in. It's like I've seen a number of different quotes like site in Dell over at Microsoft. He said that we've seen more transformation in the last two months than we would have expected in the next three years so it's great acceleration of these pre existing trends and One of them. Obviously that applies to this industry is a health in just the notion of conducting remote services for your patients and it seems like this March April window in particular was a really good time for people to wrap their heads around what this might look like in what I wonder is that You know in this is sort of like a loaded question because it includes the notion of of The broad context of the whole corona virus. But as we start to reopen practices again and people start to return to sort of the the old Standard of care right like just like what they had been doing pre virus. I wonder if the telehealth in the in the understanding that there's a a real need to implement this at least offer it I think as an alternative In particularly given the patient demographic that tends to be the one that's being seen that's also the most at risk for this virus it seems Older adults may be with pre existing conditions. Mike question to you is do you think that it's like we've know made a little bit of progress on this thing that's going to be really important to the future of the industry. Do you think that people are not just GonNa maybe either forgo that or are they gonNA look at this and say Oh okay on the back burner and not really attend to it win? In my opinion I think this is still the time that you need to emphasize this aspect of your business to at least make it viable enough to where if you do have a patient that wants to come see you or at least visit with you But they aren't comfortable with senior person that you can still service that person. What what's your thoughts there. Yeah what you're right. That is a loaded question so unravel that one eight. So so Colbert is just a good excuse to try telehealth. Yeah and so just just because just because this virus is affecting a lot more of doesn't mean that every single day Cova free world. We don't have viruses that can negative negatively are the livelihood all of our target patient demographic right so So my hope is that everybody got practice. Really hard on Hell During this crisis. Because it's it's been mandated and mandatory that they use this technology to see their patients. Now I always tell and I've written a bit about on the about this And I always tell our members and customers that whoever offers the best service and experience to the consumer will win. I to this day and having been a clinician. I don't believe that there's any that there's an appropriate replacement for face to face contact when working with our current technology in the hearings space with our hearing impaired patients. I just telehealth while. It's a great solution to help us with some things that we need to do. In current times and for at risk populations in the future It's just not. It's not the same as being face to face with someone So if you think about working with someone with a hearing impairment art patient demographic is typically older art even though our patient demographic is getting better at technology. They're still not great at it as a in general I know. That's Gross Ciro type generalization matter of fact right eighty seven year old grandmother My Dad just bought her and I couldn't see grandkids are great grandkids. Dad Bader IPAD WITH THE LT. Because she didn't have Internet at her house and now she can facetime with all of us at so so it's not it's not necessary to think that an aging population can't learn. It's just in general. They're not as Savia. Say The innovators right. On top of that We have to remember that. Communication challenges are already present in our patient population and adding an extra layer on top of that. Makes it difficult right So you've got a big chunk so if we if we look at the bell curve of patients from you know from the innovators the laggards and in the middle are cutting your target right I think that telehealth is still a little bit ahead of its time bought like I started with I believe that clinics that focus on the consumer the needs of the consumer and make care as convenient or. Everyone will do the best right. So you've got this Middle Group of patients that probably are ready for full on telehealth but But can do some small things. And then you've got this group of innovators. The younger folks with hearing loss are tech savvy folks with the earning loss that absolutely loved that So Ns ns the technology curve catches up and the patient population catches up to the technology They will embrace it more so Should you pick up telehealth right now to avoid catching a virus and then put it down later absolutely not because there are patients that you have that their lives are are challenging difficult and busy and seeing them for follow up visits could absolutely be well done via tell Do I think that every single patient can be seen or should be seen with health not today but now's a really good time freedom. Learn how to do those things incorporated with the patients that would value that service And then eventually as the technology gets easier the patient population gets more savvy at using the technology then it becomes a larger portion of your practice possibly and then that allows us to overcome our accessibility issues and our our labor shortage issues. The the reality is you know one in five Americans get treated for hearing loss amplification. And there's a number of factors that play into that but Accessibility could potentially be one of those and ease of accessibility meaning out quickly and we get to those folks so So tell how has a promising future is is because of covet is is audiology dispensing turn into a hotel. Feel yes no. I think that's a really. I think that you've painted that really accurately. I think you're right. I think that it's something that it will down the line you're right. I think that it will appeal to a broader base of people particularly like you mentioned as the technology gap You know I I'm thinking back to a slide that I have and one of my presentations where you know to your point Older adults Typically it's not that they're like tech literate. Were they inherently struggle with this? It's just that they are on the further end of the adoption curve in that if you look at a lot of the pre existing trends like something like Internet usage or social media adoption. The fastest growing core tends to usually be sixty five plus granted because they have a smaller based that they're They do eventually really adopted. And I think like your anecdotal win about like you give grandma and IPAD and you sure how to work it and it's actually something that will probably pick up in time and so. I think that I think that you make a really good point there though. That is like This is still a good time. I think to To to teach yourself this in at least give it a chance that it might appeal to some people so that you're prepared as time goes on to make it more available to a wider set of people so I think that's probably the right approach is that ultimately face to face consultations In just the especially given the nature of this type of of Consultation where there is usually a language or a communication barrier given the nature of why they're coming to see because they have hearing loss I think that makes a lot of sense to me. And I think we're GONNA go with this now. Is You mentioned one. One in five Americans have hearing loss and You know this is something that I think you know has flown under the radar. A little bit with the general population in terms of their knowledge of just how widespread of a problem. This is and you look at some of the new co Morbidity Data. That's been coming out around cognitive decline in just the wide variety of different things that are associated with You know isolation and Which is usually a by product or sometimes can be a byproduct of the lack of being able to hear people and being able to communicate in just the ability to communicate depreciating to the point. Where you start to withdraw and so in my eyes I look at this problem as There's kind of multiple things that are going on right now. So you have You know this is a widespread thing that is We need to figure out a way to to really combat this spread of hearing loss In all the co morbidity associated with it but hearing aids for a really long time in hearing aids as the primary method of solving in combating this I'm has sat around a penetration rate of roughly twenty to twenty five percent and so a big reason why started future error in this whole thing was that on. I feel as if one piece of the puzzle that is promising that I feel and I think that Maybe you know some of your experience would Shuttle I'd on this too. Is that the technology side of things is really rapidly advancing now and I think it started with Bluetooth and actually it probably goes back before Bluetooth. Bluetooth was a catalyst because it it really tethered the hearing aid to the smartphone in the smartphones computing power in the processing in in the whole APP economy. In just feel as if really since I've been in the industry about five years now There it's like every single year. We see this dramatic jump in dramatic jump in so I feel as if one way. Maybe we're going to really combat this and get more usage. Is that these devices are ultimately going to be able to do much more than what the preconceived notion of hearing aid was right. It used to just be a single function device. That was amplification tool. And in a weird way I think the Corona virus highlights just the type potential. I think that hearing aids in the future could really be a part of which is like. Maybe it's going to be part of a diagnostic system in early detection system Using biometric data that kind of thing or just notification system. You know some of the different things that are being introduced today that can help to Provide actionable insight gleaned from the data that a hearing aid is capturing in just like the different metrics that it's capturing in conveying that two different parties that are tied to the primary user in where. I'm going with this whole thing is. I'm curious to get your thoughts on this idea of you know. Do you feel as if what is happening on the tech side Obviously there's a major role that the the providers GonNa to this as well but Do you see that that we're that we kind of are reaching like this momentum on the technology side that's maybe going to impart give rise to a much much more compelling type of device that is more multifunctional can support lots of different things that all sorts of lane too. I think this patient demographic that would it would appeal to them when it's broader than just it can help you to hear better if maybe part of the breakdown in terms of why. The penetration rate is as low as it is that the value of perceived value proposition is Maybe fundamentally altering right. Now and maybe it's not enough for the consumer right so so I I often tell audiologist and hearing instrument specialists that they command the most valuable piece of real estate on the body and And they don't even know it so when we look at the ear And my my colleague and Friend Day. Fabius said the erase the new risks. I've heard him say yeah and He couldn't be any more correct So when we look at biometric tracking today of Human Health You see it focused around the wrist And so Your Apple Watch fit bit. You Know Garmon whatever it is that you use is what we're using today for. Biometric information are rate Some there's some new technology that suggests PEO- TO PEOPLE I'm using some advanced sensors Similar to what heart rate uses a step counts activity movement caloric Estimated clerk for all those different things right in a study that that was done At starkey in and when I when I worked at Starkey I was lucky enough to be able right on. This is that There's an awful lot of Noise that comes from putting your biometric tracker on your wrist It's it's an appendage there there's no better place on the on the body to pull biometric information than the air. Your ears are bilateral so you can you have two of them? It's easy to do Noise reduction in data sets when you have to to data sources. So it's very easy to say look if we Very simply if detected a step on the left side didn't detect one on the right CEPHEID. We have in our D- right because you should see a step register because it's on the mid line In both ears so very basic like that. It's great for air detection and artifact detection but then you start thinking what Asian gateway in the brain. Well it's the ear right so so How we get information into our brain for Set for the for two cents is that are most important for communication is visually and be an auditorium. So you have this great gateway of information processing directly into the brain with the ear Some other things that are really great. We can pull a heart rate from the ear. The ears very vascular So it's it's While it's not easy You can pull information like heart rate. Seo TO RA recovery. All those different things There are some studies in a given talks about this at some academy meetings There are some really strong studies. That show Micro SHIFTS IN. Temperature are excellent Precursor indicators of potential disease so there's a few studies done by Johns Hopkins. Show that There are micro fluctuations in temperature prior to acquiring the full blown flu. And as we know. And we've heard this referred to as a million times in age of Kovin that the flu is the most deadly virus. That's out there. Which true on code actually much more et. Les But but the flu kills a lot of people every year. Reagan if we can build up people's immune system Prior to getting a full blown flu attack that leads to pneumonia which leads to damage to the Alveoli in the lungs. Which then leads to cardiopulmonary issues? If we can cut that off at the pass and bob up people's immune system and give the immune system a chance to fight it because we detected a fluctuation in temperature five days before a full full-blown blown fluids. Ac We could save hundreds of thousands if not millions of lives easier numb. And it's the best place to take. Somebody's temperature other than another orifice. That south of it is in their ear canal. So you start to look at you know plus you can look at Tim panic reflexes. You can look at all of these different things that we can. We can do near Field. Recordings of brain function From the ear. So so you look what better opportunity in the world do we have to make people healthier with technology than to use the ear So great real estate spot and it is my belief that because of that. Convergence of biometrics that occur at your level There's no better place to do that. So now we have the best real estate now. How do we combine the technology? Now the technology lags. Unfortunately there's there's two major factors that make it difficult to create a fitbit right in your ear that super effective and those factors are microelectronics. So how do we get the packaging small enough because nobody N we've seen this right? Nobody wants to wear these big honking things on their anger that all off in their uncomfortable and everything like that and the ear industry has done a really great job. Miniaturizing all of this stuff But that comes at costs right so Wall occurred hearing aid is a hundred times more powerful in processing than the Apollo Guidance Computer It's still lags behind. What a what an iphone and Apple Watch or or even your your Mac book process and it does that to to lead the second problem that we have in hearing which is power so battery density so power density and batteries. Still not to a point where you can get really high processing levels and processing from multiple sense so so things that were dying about you know heart rate blood pressure temperature and process sound and all of those things where you can get a full twenty hour. You stay off of a really small battery now. There are couple hearing aid manufacturers that are bleeding edge on this and they're doing Jobless estimates rents than you a lot but today is that there offloading a lot of their true processing to a secondary device owner. An Apple Watch or something like that right and Most of the sound processing as occurring at the euro level. But if you if you talk about the health tracking and data and things like that that's all being communicated to the device which is then uploading that information even to the cloud to be processed. You know with machine learning artificial intelligence and and and it the cloud level so So we've got the problems. We have today or Microelectronic. Packaging and battery As soon as those two things are solved. Which easy right easy tomorrow. As soon as those things are solved there is no reason. Why every human being on the planet wouldn't use their ear level for biometric tracking. Don't get me wrong watches. Her are a fashion item. So watches are never going And you and I know you talk a lot and interact a lot with the folks in the voice community so I agree with you wholeheartedly. That we rather than using Manual input of Isis like keyboards. Mice fingers it will use our voice and even maybe fifty one hundred years from now will use our thoughts to grise it Dr user input But there's really no reason why we would keep bio metrics the risks when we got this excellent gateway for communication biometric information and everything else that can happen at the ear level. And you're you're spot on to believe that that's the place that this all is going to go so I think what's interesting about what you said. I think first of all I love that framing tonight and I. That's Ben Mission in mind to is like Try to make. It is apparent as possible that this industry is in. Its IT. This is the best real estate in. It's really apparent because look at what the major tech companies are doing. There's no it's no. It's by no mistake. That apple hit a run with their. I think that I think all the money you're right. I think exactly and I think that you look at where the major tech players are positioning their for right now whether it be on the interface of the future. I think that that they're looking toward an and I. I should caveat that that I don't necessarily think that voices like going to be the ultimate preeminent like the end all be all. I think it's going to be a bigger part of the puzzle and I think a are. Vr I think these different other emerging technologies. I think they're all going to be part of this thing. And but I think that you know what's so interesting to me is that this industry is hearing aid industry. This little medical subset Is playing. It's a it's a huge beneficiary of what trillion dollar companies but there aren't departments are doing and I think that in so many ways in this is just a lot of this is just for me personally. I know your fellow Techique. It's so fricking cool that this is happening to like that. Were a part of this. That were. There's this giant tidal wave that is forming right now in were on it. You know. We're getting to surf this and I fully agree with you that there is no better time to be an expert in this particular part of the body and I think that like one of the messages that I've really been trying to hammer home. Is this idea that Every you know audiologist out. There is an expert in the ear in an expert in treating hearing loss and I think that there are new opportunities that are starting to arise where you can continue to further your expertise And in a world full of OTC and all of these things that we hear about you know the the the sort of existential threats to the industry into the profession I can't help but think that they're they're in insignificant in light of how much expertise you can you can gather around the biometric side understanding the voice. Interface side understanding. You know how this technology can ultimately create a better experience and I go back to the lake. Simon Sinek AC. What is your y you know I feel like if a lot of audiologist for ask that I think that they would probably land on something. That's around like I want to improve my patients quality of life and I think these types of new use cases all into that because there are new ways that you can increase the quality of life and going back to what I was saying before about you know the value proposition. I think that it's like you're basically taking the current value proposition that you've been given as as a a professional end. You're now just injecting lots. And lots and lots of basically free new value in some capacity particularly around. In the fact that you can now podcast endlessly. You can listen to audio books. You can access the Audio Internet. These are content tools in many ways. And they're going to soon become biometric monitors as well and so. I look at this as like what better time to be in the position that you're in in look at it through the Lens of that where you might have a patient who is eighty with co morbidity that's completely unaware of the type of metric monitoring that can be done with this and you have the opportunity to present that use case to them so that of course the main reason why most of these people are coming in to see a provider today is because they wanna hear better but if you can ultimately enhance the real true reason why they're coming to see. I want to like improve quality of life. I think that that's such A. It's such an awesome position to be in because there really is like from somebody that's been reading. A lot of the tea leaves in looking at what's coming based on what's happening in the consumer space. What's happening internationally right now. Wearable technology in particularly ear. Wearable technology has some really really exciting applications and use cases that are seemingly not that far away. Obviously you're right. The battery constraints are going to be a big deal. I hope that through some of the different ways in which the processors in the DSP chips can Preserve Power in better utilize the limited power that it has because the battery itself really tough to innovate on Although you're right there are some interesting things that are happening this industry and then also to your point. You have these these. These are like the smallest wearable devices out there. But Yeah I in the first wearables during the OG and they're the most sophisticated and but the cool thing is is like you know just this last year you had vallon selling Suntan They created the first P G sensor. That's the photo. Plasmatic optical sensor that can capture a heart rate that was small enough to fit on a receiver in the canal. Renate so like we are having like landmark moments happening right now. That in ten years will look back on in the same way that we look back on. The first made for iphone hearing will look back on the first hearing aid that had a embedded optical leisure base sensor that's capable of capturing these things and you look at like the I made for iphone. Hearing aid is night and day difference between the types of hearing aids that are coming onto the market today and and it's it's it's a standardization of the technology. Everything is now Bluetooth enabled. You're seeing there's like it's taken a while but now you have the android side of things catching up too. So that's just a really long winded way of saying that I see there being so much. Awesome technology sort of. That's like happening percolating right now in a feel as if that's not getting enough attention to counter the narrative of you know we as an industry are in. I know that maybe this is part of like just people inherently like if bleeds it leads. People are really focused on the scary. But I do think that there is a whole lot to be excited about. What's on the forefront right now and it kind of ties into this whole narrative around telehealth too which is that you can. You can shy away from it. You can just you know. Turn your back on it. But the fact of the matter is that it's real it might not be something that's totally pervasive quite yet but it's the writings on the wall and you have the opportunity now to really ingrain yourself with how this works in how you feel if you could implement it because to your point might not make sense for a lot of the people that you feel need to have that face to face consultation but there are probably some people that this type of stuff would appeal to for sure and You know I in my in my career I've had the opportunity to Visit a lot With people in Silicon Valley in the centers of the world and one of the things that remains interesting to me Eggert historically gone to see US tagger Ron Johnson. And a number of other Conferences where you see the the bleeding edge technology and you see kind of where it's a good opportunity be at Rennes fodder for the future. And and voice. I certainly been a big leader Euro-warrant technology has been a big leader. a are all different things. And what's funny is that And I'm going to catch up saying us Silicon Valley gets hearing wrong so much. Yeah They they look at the technology that companies like Start Ian Senova and Demont and ws audiology and GM creates. And they say well we you know we can that. That's easy peasy no problem. We'll we'll have sought out to a very weeks. And and you know you start to talk to some of these folks And and they start to realize what these devices do and and how they work right so so they might a-rod proce the barry lightness left Maybe three hours. Yeah I mean four Giga talking on the phone right Actively using them rice You look at you know. You're I feel like my boasts had bonds. I'm replacing the you know AAA battery and knows about once every other day And then you look at the hearing space and you know. Our patients are wearing devices Eighteen hours a day. They recharged once a day or teens. The battery in them every seven to ten days Their bio compatible so when they stick them in their ears. They don't get hot spots. They don't get source they They wear them comfortably so much. So that many of our patients end up in the shower by accident on Lake. Forget Huron on They are transparent now whole release the new air pods with transparency mode. And you'd swear the second coming of Jesus I know that Rick Devices have been had audio transparency essentially built right into them since resounding air was released in the in the mid two thousand. So you start you talk to these tech folks and and I've had conversations with some of the you know some of the really amazing people and you start explaining to them what it means to have to wear vile compatible device for eighteen hours a day because your communication is is dependent on an and they start to they start to cycle back the wheels a little bit. They had elaine back a little bit. How well maybe it'll take five to six weeks three weeks to develop that technology and you wish him well and you pat him on the head but but it's really true you know hearing aids were. I swear I joke with with My colleagues the hearing aids and the first augmented reality. They really did. I mean you're you're augmenting your your hearing loss with ample advocation While not a Attempting at modern technology is much better this now at not running over the top of the things where you don't need to augment not so it a win win. Some of the first hero ball started coming out in wearable technology space. I I was one of the first fifty backers for Robbie Gable I caught it on starter If they can do half of what they're saying Then this is really a game changer. They actually did and I was a little disappointed that the technology didn't take off. I thought audit would but a but you know hearing is hard and and wearing device in your ear as difficult and and so. There's this big gap right now. Between curable Air Cod headphone and a hearing aid. That's warn all day long Because it's required for communication there still is. She added between these two things. And and what I would like to see is I'd like to see because there are so many people. Fifteen percent of people of adults in the United States have hearing loss because they're such this broad based need for amplification and treating hearing loss in there so many negative things that can happen in your life. If you don't treat hearing loss loved to see this curve just I'd love to see jumped band there's is there's this huge chasm right now between consumer electronic technology and hearing technology and. I'd love to see more of the people that are in this doing this and I love to see people do that through someone that can help. Guide them down that path to get the best outcomes and and it's my belief that that that will be needed for for a long term future because the technology and the system is complicated and and picking the right system and picking the right solution for that person is a it's a. It's a requires expertise. I cannot agree more with you and I think that that is the that is the bull argument for this profession. I think I think that there is in my mind. Undoubtedly going to be a rise in the complexity of the system. If you will. I think that's a really good way to think about. It is that these are going to increasingly become more system based type things whether it be one hardware one piece of hardware but a system of software Or maybe it's just various hardware devices but I think that this is where the real opportunity I think is GonNa Lie Across. The next ten years is going to be you know for the audiologist to be just as well versed as they are in the The academic in the The true You know the field of audiology but also increasingly in the technology so that you can guide people to your point through understanding in the same way that they do today understanding what their needs are but having a really good death of what's available to them and being able to piecemeal a solution specific to what that person needs because I think that that's where this is going where you have a lot of really really cool exciting opportunities in it's going to be up to the provider. I think to Really configure that system for their patient to say here are the different aspects of of what we can provide you with Both through the technology through the way that you wear the technology All of those different things. I just think it's an exciting opportunity ultimately for this profession and and the way that that gets done might change. And that's okay like what if you know? What if the audiologist did the thing? They're best at which is diagnostic testing diagnosing hearing loss recommending the best solution for that And helping in the rehabilitative process But mostly just kind of that front end and then there was somebody else in your office. That handled the declawed type stuff right. So so the way I see this and I've been making these recommendations to our members in on connection rising and that focus on what you're F- stat yet. You are best at At at diagnosing and treating hearing loss. May maybe you know your you know. Twenty two year old son is the best person to have in your office to help with the technology side if thing really just the basic stuff so you know you think about it this way. There's another an analogy. That I look at here is that you've got an orthopedic surgeon and you have a physical therapist right so you orthopedic surgeon diagnosis that you need that. You have a broken knee and they say you know this is the best knee replacement for this type of broken knee. And then they do the surgery and they take out the broken knee within a better by lightning and then they follow up a couple of weeks later and they make sure that you don't have any infection and they make sure that the knee piece is working the way it should and that it's flexing appropriately and that it straight and what they did was good. Then what do they do? They send you the physical therapist to begin your rehabilitative process to use that piece right. So why is it? Why is it that you know the person that's involved with the selection diagnosis implantation? Whatever of of the technology piece that they use in audiology is trying to start to finish person and it doesn't allow them to focus on what they're best at and so so I'd love to see some shift a little bit you know it's it doesn't make sense and I know I'm talking about the medical economics now but it doesn't make sense for us to pay a doctor of audiology to trouble shoot Bluetooth. All Yep I mean it doesn't. It doesn't make sense. Like the audiologist is best at diagnosing hearing loss recommending the best solution and and convincing somebody to make a step towards better hearing right the consultative approach to to the hearing management. It doesn't make sense to take somebody. That's Dr Audiology and turn them into best ice slot. It doesn't so so quit. The people in the roles that are best at addressing. The patient's needs and I hope that we see our profession shift in that direction in a positive way. Yeah now I love that analogy from. I've used the analogy before. I think I like your analogy better. The orthopedic surgeon in the physical therapist. We've I know kicked around the idea before where it's sort of like you know along the same vein you go. You go to the dentist and you have a hygienist. That does the bulk of the spent. The bulk of time with you cleaning your teeth in the dentist comes in and they provide sort of expert. Opinion I think to your point ultimately what we're getting at. Is this idea that the audiologist time is really valuable in. I think it makes a whole lot more sense to maximize the amount of time and in were probably as an industry have to get really creative with this. You know particularly if you know the the gross margins decline you know with the as products will surely start to sort of depreciate in the cost In in so I think that it's going to become more of a service oriented profession where you have to figure out a way to unbundle your time in charge for your time in an effective way as possible and I think that again going off of this that it's not as if there's like a shortage of Need you know there's no demand shortage You know around this in fact going back kind of bringing this whole thing full circle one in five. Americans have hearing loss And I think that number's only gonNA grow. Because of the fact a lot of us have been listening to loud music for extended periods of time for a while. And so you have this growing Sort of crisis that's unfolding but you also have a lot of new tools available to you and I think that these are going to be types of tools that you can harness whether it be you know different types of technology that might really appeal to different subsets of your overall potential. Patient Group But also getting creative with how like you said to kind of maximize the providers time Because I think that if you look at this on the surface There are obviously threats. Right now To this profession but at the end of the day. I feel as if it would be way worse if you know ultimately there's just not that big of a pool of people that need your services and on the contrary a massive pool of people and it's just a matter of figuring out how do you kind of appeal to all those people right right. You know a Jim Collins has been talking about putting the right people on the right seat of the bus right for many years than and really around how you run a business but we should be designing our clinics that way as well you know. Put put the people in the roles where they do. The best work maximize time and maximize efficiency. And that's I'll be honest with you. That's where I spend a majority of my time working with ent clinics and audiology clinics as convincing them to let go of the things that they're not maximizing their time on and give that to somebody that can handle that and to focus on the things that they can do best. That perfectly said well. That's I think a great way to sort of bring this whole conversation full circle so as we wrap your Kyle. Why don't you share where people can find you? Connect with you learn a little bit more about rising and see if they're interested in that sure And thank you again for the opportunity to come on and talk a little bit geek out. A little bit of advice is yeah. Yeah for sure and I'm happy to do it again in the future need but If people WANNA learn more about rise into you that can go to rise the ANC DOT COM or they can go to odd connects a U. D. C. O. N. E. X. Dot. I'M CONNECTS DOT COM or a few? You just want more information directly you can reach out to me Kyle. At Rise E. N. T. R. I S. E. N. T. DOT COM perfect awesome. Kyle will thanks again for coming on the show today in. Thanks for everybody who tuned in here to the end. We will chat with you next time. Cheers thanks for tuning in today. I hope you enjoyed this episode of future ear radio for more content like this just head over to future ear dot com where you can read all the articles that. I've been writing these past few years on the world's of voice technology in here ables and how the two are beginning to intersect. Thanks for tuning in and I'll chat with you next time.

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Anne Lamott Upgrades Our Lives

The Upgrade by Lifehacker

41:21 min | 2 years ago

Anne Lamott Upgrades Our Lives

"Hello and welcome to the upgrade the podcast from the team at life Acker. But we help you improve your life one week at a time. I'm Melissa Kirsch editor in chief of life hacker. And I'm Alice Bradley, life hackers deputy editor and today, we have a very special episode of the upgrade, our guest is progressive political activist and writer and Lamont and is the New York Times bestselling author of such books as bird by bird, traveling mercies operating instructions plan B, and her latest almost everything notes on hope each sink that these people who have done well have gotten the right publisher gotten the big crowd, or the whatever if that is filled up the Swiss cheese inside their souls in it, doesn't it actually makes a whole bigger. We're such fans of than we've decided to devote an entire episode of the upgrade to her Melissa. I have never been more excited for a guest. We've had some pretty amazing guests some amazing guests. What makes you excited about an Lamont I ask you as I have a gigantic grin on my face. Just I. Love her writing so much her book operating instructions meant everything to me when my son was a newborn, he's a teenager now. But that first year was so grim. And so growing operate instructions is just really raw honest memoir of the first year of her son's life, and it just it just meant so much. I remember the there's there's a quote, I remember where she talks about right after giving birth lying on her side and her hers her stomach just lying next to her like, a warm puppy. And having the same exact thing happened to me and thinking like, it's okay. Because the an Lamont said, it's okay. And I can laugh at it. Instead of thinking what the hell happened to my body. That's the thing and Lamont is kind of an oracle. Yes. And she's she's so wise and her books are kind of one giant. It's going to be. Okay. You're okay. I'm okay, you're okay. It's going to be okay. The book that I love the most. I know you love to bird by bird, which is a book about writing and about really the creative process and getting started with anything and feeling not good enough and feeling scared and feeling like a failure and moving through that. And you know, getting work done. I come back to that book at least once a year. It's not just for writers. Certainly it's for anybody. Who's ever undertaken creative? Never I would say or has thought I would like to undertake a creative endeavor. But I can't for whatever reason. Right. Yeah. There's something about her writing where the more she talks about what a wreck. Human being she is the more. She just seems amazing and glorious, and and you can recognize how you're also a record or also mazing glorious. Yes. She kind of makes makes you feel like you're worthy of being alive for those who are unfamiliar with Lamont. She is super duper liberal. And she's also very Christian, which is you know, in this day and age and unusual combination. And she talks about that. Yeah. So enjoy. Thank you so much for being here. Well, yeah. We're so glad to be here. When you're approached by people who've read your books, what is that experience like for you like, I feel like people look at you as some sort of guru or an oracle or a caller, Saint do you feel that coming to you from people Sheila lot of love, I've got to say and people are just doing so poorly right now because they're afraid and they're freaked out and things in the DC are so crazy so hug a lot of people. And but people also come who are really suffering in their personal lives, and who had kids who are drunk or dictate, and they know I did too and Sam gut sober seven years ago, but it's very very immediate and close to my heart. So I tried to use don't have much time with anyone. So I just try to say no what it's like. And you're gonna both come through. You really are against all odds. And then I hugged him. Oh, this to be a lot though. And you have crowds you said. You have people have a thousand people coming to coming to readings. It's got to be a lot of many of them. Don't seem to want me to hug them us. Come at everybody with your extended. No because it's the east coast. And it's not as huggy as it is in northern California where I live. But now will you can tell by somebody's energy there and their body if say just are desperate, and that really feeling isolated and could use a little bit of human contact. And so what are you seeing as you travel across the country right now, what's the sort of like prevailing feeling the feeling in the audience is doom, and despair, and there's no bottom if you are absorbing Kevin insist two weeks ago, and when you've kind of in some way made peace with this that it's just going to happen. Then you start to come to that. And then there's this horrible horrible slaughter in Saudi Arabia, and how can you come to terms? So that we don't you talk about it, you grieve and his starts to pass. And then. Trump decides he's going to eradicate transgender right? And so there's never a break like twenty four hours where you get to just do the what I call the Sacramento. Plop, it, you know, just kinda plop and catch up with your life and not feel triggered. But everywhere, I go people are so triggered and as I wrote about in the book, I really really was too. I was triggered in toxic. And in recovery, we always say that the willingness to change or to do the deep dive or the healing comes from the pain. And when I got to the pain of having so much hatred in me, I started to do the work too. Bring it up an out of my body and to just get a little bit better. I mean a little bit better miracle. Yeah. You say don't let them get you to hate them. Yeah. This is something that Booker T Washington. I said said it just destroys the soul of hater. And then Martin Luther King picks up on a yellow said hate can't drive how ill only love can't. And then he also said in other words, don't let them get you to hate them. Because if they do, and I mean, they in the paranoid sense of the word if they do get you to hate him. It's exactly what they want. And because it's disorienting you lose your center, you'd become them and in your ineffective as a person of resistance and nonviolent, revolution and nonviolent resistance. And you are exactly where they hope to it'd be so just as a as a radical act to stay, well and nourish and hydrated and centered. No matter what is happening around. You you still register voters you still show up. Marches. I donate a lot of money to the ACLU and to hungry people. Oxfam and try to take care of the poor and some days go better than others. I mean, some days I just hate it so much, but it might last for an hour instead of a week or in some cases entire decades. I'm wondering how you advise people to sort of begin that in the beginning of almost everything you say that there always late and when things have been so dark. What's the first step of that? Like, what's the first step finding the light? Again. I think the first step for me is disappointing. I to myself and then to one or two really three trusted best friends in the world or my partner. Neil that. I feel really doomed I feel very crazy and hopeless into sat out loud, and for someone to look into your eyes and go, I really know exactly how you feel. I felt that way s today. And I also remind people that the only reason the system works at all because we're not. Not all crazy same day. So you might be just in a total struggle. And I would say you know, what I was there on Sunday. And what I did was I went to Saint Anthony's, and I helped behind the soup kitchen. I did dishes. So I didn't even want credit. I just wanted to be a part of the healing. Or I went and saw my really cranky aunt, you know, and and I just did it somebody when I first got sober said, they came into recovery as a big shot and they slowly work their way up to servant, and I really love that. So and I'm at my most toxic if I can get out of myself and be there for someone who searched you're just suffering or if I can bring hope to someone like my aunt who's in a home, then hope exists again. Right. If I brought it, and I always have hope because people are just so incredibly could natured. I mean, we just had a catastrophic fire sin Santa Rosa than I wrote about was just too deadly. I mean, it's climate change. You know, the. Redwood forests are just Tinder now and thanks to Ronald Reagan. It all begins for me was Ronald Reagan, which I mean nicely. But anyway, I mean, it looks like nuclear bombs had fallen into Noma county. It really did in the white country and outpouring of love and care and money and new clothes. So the outpouring of that filled me in a way almost nothing else has to students at parkland, high school filled me with hope that I am still being comforted by and scientists, of course, vaccine's we are talking about a love axes at sixty and Kaiser they give you a shingles vaccine. And just the thought that I may not give shingles fills me with hope, but the young people there weren't that many young people young women fifteen years ago at the marches for women's rights. Now there are there out there. And there's young white men who have arrived at the marches and solidarity with black lives matter who that's what it took for them. To notice that there is a need for people to say, no not on my watch. And so those sorts of things give me hope I also have a religious life. And and I sorta automatically trust that God's got it. You know, no matter what things look like or how long they're taking. I I know I'm not in charge of much except for taking care of the animals who have no opposable thumbs. I am interested in one like rephrase Alice said before like, we're writers. So we kind of came out of the crucible of bird by bird and everybody, we know is sort of kept that with them and everybody you meet or many people that you meet must be so excited to meet you so excited to tell you how you've moved them. Does that feel like a big responsibility? No, I just find it amazing. I'm so touched and so glad because for so so long ago, I probably haven't read it in ten or fifteen years, but still really good as a. Yeah. I read it a lot. I'm just amazed. And I'm so glad because some of these books operating instructions which was a journal my son's first year and from twenty five plus years ago, he's twenty nine now there just weren't these books. I longed for you know, when I when my dad got sick and my early twenty or no books on cancer. You really should not say the word cancer out loud in the seventies. It was considered unseemly or death. And then my family was dealing with the end of the world when my dad got brain cancer. And I started writing about it as a love letter to him. I wrote about that in Burbach bird that you could write things has love letters. But also that what you're so long four suddenly exists because you've created it. So wrote a book about a family coming through. Through having had a anvil drop on them and smash them. And then when my best friend Pammy got sick. I had started writing this journal of SAM's. I realize say trade her a love letter and say, you won't be here physically, but you are in another realm outside of time and space now 'cause you exist in a book, you know, and certainly my entire life has there's been more reality for me in books than anywhere else. Certainly more than in my family of origin, which we call our food f o in recovery and then with writing what happened was that? I've been giving this talk forever called every single thing. I know about writing and it covered stuff. Like how jealous you'll be? If anybody else does. Well, and you're still struggling to find an agent or an editor and how unfair it is. And what terrible books. Get published in your book hasn't pennant. How often jerks win? I mean, I think that's what we're up against in all areas of life. How often jerks when and most of the? People. I had heard speak at writing conferences were trying to help. Everybody figure out a way to get an agent and get their book published because the feeling was for everybody. Lapping it up was it. If you got your book published you'd have really endless self esteem because the FDA would have stamped you're giving you the stamp of approval will you post pin published in you know, that that's about as bad as you're ever going to be going there to the readings. We've all had him where there's two people in the wheel of breed. And then they make the bookstore employs huddle around to us. If you have a small crowd of now six so I wanted to say that's not going to save. You publication is going to save you. It's going to be an inside job. And if you're doing the writing as a debt of honour because you have a gift or you have thirsty. We have an appreciation for good writing. And you have a story to tell then that's going to be to pay off. That's going to be the nutrition. And here's a way to prepare for the publication. A get a really. Really good therapist because every uncooked bit of everything inside of you is going to be triggered around publication, everything that although motion neglect of childhood and all the unfairness of it, all and so- deal with it. And then you'll be a little bit better. And you can tell I believe in a little bit better as kind of a mantra the question of of what's fair, you know, when something is happening. You know, where you feel like you're a party in zero sum game in somebody else's getting something and you're not getting it. And that's not fair that now from where we are sort of in the world feels so small and so- petty, and for me, there's cognitive dissonance and trying to hold the sort of what feels like the smallness of my life, and my my own jealousies, and my own sense of injustice against how unjust the world seems now or how much more unjust. It seems not only for me, of course. But for everybody who feels like things sort of gone off the rails, and we have access to news. Of what's going on all over the world where things are more than unfair? Journalists are being murdered in embassies. And no one's doing anything about it. Like is your response the same sort of the tiny, cotillion injustices and looking at the larger injustices of the world. Well, when I'm right in the middle of you know, I'd like to say that having a really terrible really tiny audience out of a book. Doesn't bother me as much as what happened to kashogi. But when you're in the middle of it, it's just really natural to feel sad and disappointed and frustrated with all of life, and you know, suffering suffering. It's like when people have a cast on their ankle. And they say, well, it's not cancer. And they start to kinda shame themselves because they have their ankle hurts lot in the very inconvenienced. I don't buy that. I really think suffering suffering. And if you've heard something broken, something or had your heartbroken that you don't have to compare it to be offering, you know, that you are deserving a self care, and of understanding, and and it's so great for someone who's been there and says, you know, do you have a minute. Let me tell you. My version the details are tiny bit different. So no, I don't react to it in the same way. But I really try to forgive myself and everybody else for really feeling Tyrians out about disappointments where they had their baby hope. Up, you know, and it doesn't come to fruition. Oh, no. These big things. I mean, Calvin on kashogi just your grief struck in your foot plastic. And that's what I'm finding an audience is is that we don't obviously have any kind of owner's manual for this. So I hope to write an owner's manual for finding your way sort of bread crumbs Salih back to the past where we remember. It's been terrible before godawful bush-cheney. I'm I mean, no offense to either of them. But Dick Cheney can't leave the country. He's a war criminal. We had them for eight years and nine eleven and God. And now Trump I mean, it's devastating. It's devastating. And no one has, you know for two five rules for getting through a day where every value has been shattered or splattered, or you know, that now Trump is going to radically transgender. He exists. Of it. And it's like you can't make this stuff up. You can't Aratu Kate the existence of something for your base, you know, and we will win we will win this when it won't happen. But in it's just red meat. But it's just so heartbreaking if you love a transgendered person and fought tooth and nail and barely in some cases, come through childhood in high school. So I wanted to kind of puts himself down on paper that what would be helpful really? I was focusing on my nine year old grandchild who lives with us, and my fifteen year old niece and to say I wish I had known at fifteen one of the chapters is that everybody's ruined. And everybody's afraid they're defective or they're sort of a fraud. Or is that if you get to know him to they'll people will just run screaming for their cute little lives. And and I thought if I had known that I didn't I was taught to compare my insights to your out. Sides and your outsides might look fabulous. And you might have your makeup or the right clothes everything together. And on the inside. I know when I was a child or super tiny skinny little person with this, kinky, whitish, blond hair. And I knew I wasn't okay. On the inside. And people forgot to say everybody feels like that. If you have good hair, you have big Pepsi and smile, if your family has money, we're on the same boat. And of course, that's what we were talking about minutes ago about the writing that you think that these people who have done well gotten the right publisher gotten the big crowd, or the whatever it that is filled up the Swiss cheese inside their souls, and it doesn't it actually makes a whole bigger because there's a chapter that nothing on the outside will fill the whole sense of you. It's got to be an inside job. Now. All I'm saying, it, it doesn't sound very sophisticated, but I was really writing for these kids. I love so much to say is very little truth in the popular culture. There's even. In less than DC in Harrison things that I'm almost positive are true to buy it. When you tell them out, I have a sixteen year old son. And I feel like I'm constantly rattling this off to him. He's he's not entirely convinced. No six I know I'm talking about sixteen kind of like in some sort of you're still just total mortification too. And if you say it probably is the opposite. There's a whole chapter that all truce's paradox. But my son is twenty nine is still not really interested in my position on things. And I've learned in recovery that help is the sunny side of control. And when I think I'm helping him trying to get him to do it. I'm positive with lead to greater success and happiness, and I'll tell you where when you become a grandmother Boyer. They not interested in your thoughts. And in fact, if you share your thoughts, they recoil, and then they take the child they keep the child from you to punish you. And so, but it sixteen is very very. Hard. It was like from in my family, the hardest ever was. And so I didn't have a lot of good ideas. And that was the grace that was spiritual WD forty was that I saw in his eyes and flatness of affect that. He wasn't there that we weren't really having a connection where I should continue sharing. My thoughts on how he was doing. That was grace and you've written some pretty on stuff about letting him go. Let him make mistakes. Can you talk a little bit about that in his path to sobriety? I really tried to keep his privacy and to not I didn't write about how long to several horrible years lasted. I wrote one story when he was sixteen when I slapped him, and that was like very very terrifying for me. And I published it at salon, and publish it in grace eventually, but he urged me to becau- and at first you didn't want me to publish it outside because he c- read it, and he said. You make me look like the crazy person. And I thought it was cleared anyone watching that he was awful person. And I was the darling mother, you know, and then when I finally wrote it he could see that we were both just mad as Hatters. No, one was okay. Then it's about the grace that the movement of grace at somehow has us a few hours after the slap stretched out on couches in the same living room. You can't get from the the pavement where we stood before two couches napping, trusting each other to be asleep. Then in the book he and I wrote just called some assembly required about he had a baby when he was nineteen. We were a lot. And he wrote some about the really really dark scary times. And I wrote on I don't think it was salon. Maybe it was Facebook about seven and a half years ago, our bottom our mutual bottom was that he was just too awful to come to my house the baby. And the mother were living with me, and he was coming over line who systems. S us angry and often stoned, and I said you can't be here. I mean, a tiny tiny moment of sanity that he couldn't come onto my emotional acre and Reckitt for us all and walking on eggshells, just I can childhood or holding our breath. So that he wouldn't you know, get upset. And then I this is so awful I held a pencil to his throat and that was my bottom. And he just looked at me. Like how craziest this woman, and we stood there for minute out on the street in full view of everybody. And then I said in this this why I felt this was the Holy Spirit, tugging home Icees. I offered him a ride back to San Francisco, which spout forty five minutes away. He didn't say Where'd he got in the car and that to me was a miracle. I drove into the city without either of a single word together in this sort of cell membrane of my car dropped him off at his apartment. I got out, and we hugged each other. We and we didn't say word, you know. There's an acronym in recovery for way. Which is why am I talking, and I often had w AIT written on my wrist. We didn't talk. We hugged too later called and said, I've got a week clean and sober. And he had found the only people that we're gonna ever not your mother, not your age had postmenopausal, you know, upset overly sensitive mother. But some other guys who'd been there been exactly where he'd been who liked being drunk who liked being feeling wild and young headed two year old baby -til child, and he had a week clean and sober. And he's been that way ever since with the only people that could help them which are men hoop in there. One of the things that we hear life Hecker when we talk about what's going on in the world. You know, we have an audience that is I I don't know where they lean politically are have a sense that it's pretty much fifty fifty as far as being. Democrat and Republican one of the things that we sometimes hear from our audience is that we should steer clear of politics. Traditionally has covered productivity and tack and ways to make your life better. And hasn't really taken any kind of political stand. When I say to these people is that this isn't political. We're talking about isn't Democrats versus Republicans. It's not what it is about humanity. And it's about what will stand for us humans from other humans, and it doesn't matter where they are on a political spectrum or what they believe or who they're voting for. And I'm wondering if you encounter people who look at you as specifically a liberal, and I mean, that's something that you aren't shy about knowing people, but I feel like the wisdom, and and your writings are acceptable to everybody. And I'm wondering if you've ever get bogged down in politics with that. Well, the chapter about not letting them get you to hate them to seems like half the country hates to people that I love and support half the country hates people that. That are in office in that. It's really right down the middle right now and people in California, some of them just hate Nancy Pelosi, but they like me, you know, and they might have come from families that were really difficult and a lot of people that come to my events had horrible fundamentalist childhoods and gave up on God. And they know that I'm like to lease likely face based person who could ever be in. So they have found their way back to face or to trust that there is goodness. There is some sort of loving energy in the world half to come to my events or ACS, you know, so it's just hard to say, I mean to me these times are existential. And when I hear that we're gonna pull out of the nuclear proliferation treaty with Russia. I feel this is excess -sential I have a nine year old grandchild. And when I saw the U N climate change report two weeks ago, two minutes ago, maybe three now, I just felt dread. Like, how can you not feel worried for your young ones? As you know, how can you? This is something that we should be able to agree on that we have to get serious now. It's excess dential they're saying within twenty years there will be a catastrophic climate reality. But some people that are big supporters of Trump or big oil or whatever. So that's ridiculous stuff comes and goes, it's not manmade. There's nothing we can do it'll it'll get better. It'll go back Trump said, and so I feel like I never tried to convince people about Christianity or my politics. I mean, I don't talk to the crazy uncle at dining room table about politics or God. Because I don't wanna wreck everything for everyone else. So that we find common ground, and if they he says something really provocative. I say one of three things I say. Or say or I say, that's an interesting idea. But if I ever said to either view, it means, I think you're just crazier than a rat. So it's funny because the people the Christians in my audience can't stand it, I'm so political and the people that are really political in my audience can't believe I go to church, and I'm a Sunday schoolteacher. So some point. I just have to give up the stuff I write about I believe is almost entirely universal. I write about being shy right about being afraid late at night. I I write about how troubling our families were how scary and who he became trying to help those families safflower, especially for girls and the fifties. There was one way to have value in that was to be a really effective flight attendant for the men and my dad and his friends, and my older, brother. And so when I write about that that's not left-wing a right wing. That's just a. Fifties. And then the women's movement to me, isn't political. It was when we said would it kill you for women to be paid the same as men for the same work, you know, courses country didn't pass the equal rights amendment. Well, that's political. But it's also nuts to me. It's just not to me that you'll be okay. For your for your daughter, not to make the same as a equally qualified, man. How can you get to work? But I never get my way. And I have a lot of face, and and I never give up and I show up. And if I'm on a radio with the Pacific are some exact they're just stunned that I love Jesus like that's delusional. And you know, what can I say about? Well. The upgrade is brought to you by travel, Nevada. We don't have an episode on it. But if ever wanted to know how to remove your travel training wheels and take venture to the next level. Well, road trip to Nevada should do the trick with endless outdoor possibilities mile after mile of weird wild and wonders and counters and more camera hogging landscapes than you can shake selfie stick. At Nevada is the perfect destination to get away from it all wonder through hundreds of ghost towns. Unspoiled mountains and endless valleys all with limitless opportunities for recreation. You'll find no shortage of experiences that will qualify to make your choose your own adventure road trip. Truly one to remember to get started planning your trip. Check out some Goto Nevada temporaries complete with every trips. Must see do. Eat and stay places by going to travel Nevada dot com slash road trips. And now person place thing wherein, we ask an interesting him about the person who's had the biggest influence on them the place. They feel most themselves and the thing they can't live without. So the first question is who is the person in your life? Who has had the biggest influence on you say my dad Kenneth lot. He was a writer also. And I I taught me that it was a habit that you don't wait for inspiration. You know, the inspiration is debt and in some cases that desire for revenge. And because you're good at it. And you maybe have a gift, and you're unemployable in my case. Otherwise, he told me a habit. He taught me it was a debt of honour. He taught me to sit at the feet of the masters of the great writers and learn from them and see how they got time to pass and see what they did if they could get two people in a broken elevator. Who hated each other? And he taught me the what if and the imagination and the getting things down and not believing that if it was interesting. You'd remember it. You know, I was exactly like at seven now absent minded and sorta spaced out, and he said get it down get it down get it down and he used index cards. So if you've read by bird, you know, that was a big influence on me, and he was an SEC east and use an outdoors person who's a bird watcher and a very early age. He taught me that we that we as a family hiked. It was kind of like, our church, our churches, and they still are my churches are the outdoors and the public library. So and he was literary and we went to library every single Thursday as a family every single Thursday night and my handwriting even looks like his and I'm a completely different person. I'm religious, and I'm kind of loud mouth, and you know, I write these books that are a lot about family and faith, and and he laying on he wrote about he was a novelist, and he wrote a lot of travel pieces you've been in the war and Okinawa. And some of his characters were there. Also. But yeah, all I can say is my handwriting looks very much like hiss, and where do you feel the most comfortable in the world? This could be a room town building a chair, a state of mind. I really live on my couch. I'm really a homebody it's some sort of disorder. It's not like in the realm of of normal behavior. And and I and I have a big huge dog who's struggling with her weight who here hasn't? She lost ten pounds diets don't work. She's gained. She had a waste. And I love her like love life. And and I love to read I always promised myself that all I do, and I grew up with read, and so I would say in our house Neal, and I lived together. And I my my son Sam and my grandchild. Are there half the time and the dog is just like needs to see me at every minute or or she begins keen to sound dogs of the Baskerville? So my couch. Yeah. Nice and alternate where do you never wanna go again? Hate to DMV. I'm just so. Overwhelmed. The DMV I feel I could Soviet Russia and bad things are gonna happen. I get very very frightened when I have to take the written test, and you have to do that in New York. You've take written tests refu- years. Oh my God. I am just apoplexy with anxiety. We're never have to go to the DMV and take written test for me. It's like a cough novel. In those bright fluorescent lights. Everybody looks like they're on acid and everybody's upset in a frayed. And they've been waiting too long. Then they have to take the written test. So worse let that life has to offer. That is horrible with think can't you live without. I know my dog doesn't count can't live without a book. I just can't if I don't have a book I love going. I feel desperate. I feel frantic. I always have a pay per bit of paper and a stolen pen in my back pocket. I am completely addicted to sugar such a sweet tooth, and then alternately I do a lot of protein in vegetables. And then I get really clear and sharp, and I have zero craving and then something happens like, it's Halloween, and you see candy corn everywhere you go. And clearly God wants you to have a fistful of candy corn. Then I can't stop. So, but I do really love sugar and on my last two here on earth. I just want to have eaten mostly desserts. Time for upgrade of the week. Every week. We talk about that one tiny thing making a big difference in our lives, Melissa. What's your upgraded this week? So my upgrade is returning to something that I should have been doing all along which is wearing my night guard. I grind my teeth. I thought it was a terribly shameful habit. And that was revealing of some kind of like darkness inside of me and anxiety that I wasn't aware of when I found out the reason why I had a headache. All the time was that I was grinding my teeth down to dust. And so I was given a very unattractive sort of like field hockey player type night guard to wear cannibal Lecter, exactly. The mask to I don't want. I don't like wearing it. It's like snaps into your mouth. I call the process snapping in my ham snapping in for the night. And it's just not comfortable. It's not sexy. New can't talk with it in your mouth. It's it's a bad situation. But if I don't wear it, I get not only a headache. But an earache that is so painful, I can't even touch my ear. So I've committed to wearing it every night, and I have been wearing every night, even though it's harder to fall asleep and things are better. And I feel like every time I tell people that I grind my teeth. I find more people who are part of the secret club. And I want to encourage everybody. Who's listening isn't wearing their night guard to just wear it. It's affecting every part of your life. Even if you don't know it just where it all right? I'm gonna wear my organi guard. You don't have heard. No, I don't you know, we've talked about I had a job thing. And what solved it for me was stopping chewing gum. Oh, no more chewing gum tour big too. I was really kind of especially a work getting into tour. Just quite. Yeah. Yeah. She gum. I could baseball like that big league to that. You were. That you were shutting down. Chewing gum was really kind of getting into it. And that didn't put the two together that might be. Okay. So yeah. And what's your upgrade? Well, I have to admit I'm not very good with technological stuff. And it's just mortifying to my son. Even though he's twenty nine now. And he'll watch me use the phone. I have a phone now used to have a blackberry which is very good at. And now, I have I phone, and he's just he'll say mom, don't let people see you try to use that. Because everything takes me so long am I nine year old is great about it. He just wants to help and you so sweet when I can't do, thanks. But I have never before this week been able to get my own boarding pass on the iphone and Neil always does it and I'll feel like a little kid. It was sort of like he was a caseworker last week. And he go he helped me do it. You say okay, click that. No, no, no now have to go. Okay. Let's go back. Okay. Click the now. Okay. Let's go back again. It's okay. We're not okay. Now, you have to scroll down you have skirt down a second time and. Just today while we were driving over here. I said I'm going to start getting my own boarding passes. And I successfully got mine before he got his. Yeah. I Francis of all the earth. What's the grit to secret was to do all this things? He'd been telling me to do for two years, but I feel very overwhelmed by technological stuff. And I feel frightened like my mom used to you know. But I'm getting there. You know, this friend said only goes fast as the slowest part of you can go and it took till now. And now I'll be able to do my boarding pass. Wow. I know you might travel more. I know I know knows what what could have lookout world you might start downloading podcasts. I know. That's next. Yeah. I Justice covered two weeks. What a podcast actually as my son has his podcast. Hello, human dot co. And and you say to the car with me show me how if I were to download the podcast what that would mean. And so we go out of the car, and he says, we think you need bluetooth. Is that true? No, see, I don't even know. I didn't get I just pretended to be following him. Because he was so pleased to be showing me. But then at least I know what it is. It's a radio thing that's recorded. Right. And so then the next step is. I mean, I'm gonna be like Steve Wozniak next time. You see me? I'm gonna be so podcasting. Great. It'll be life. Probably I would assume. Yeah. That's the next step. Yeah. Very cool. Great alice. What's your upgrade? Okay. Mine is really boring, but it has changed my life. I purchased a large water bottle for work with a straw. Wow. And it's twenty four ounce Melissa seen it many times casually said to me, you left your water bottle of a bathroom and have to go get the big part of our lives. I know where I know where you are where the big pinquater thank slash purple water bottle. The point is is twenty four ounces. I know I have to drink three of them day. And that is like I'm done. I've done it for the day. And otherwise, I wouldn't water. I'd wonder why I had a headache. And I was yard. I'm sucking down water. Good for you. If you getting your plastic water bottle. Thank you now, gene, or whatever they're calling. That's huge. That could save the world. I'm saving, I'm Sarah saving the world reusable straw. Yes. Yeah. Last straw, which as we know destroying everything everything in their path. That's right. That's. Thank you so much for being here. Melissa. Thank you. All this. I loved it. Okay. Morrow? And that's our show this week. We bid farewell to a member of the upgrade family. Our producer Levi sharp will still be running some episodes of the upgrade that he produced but going forward we're very excited about our new producer, Rachel withers. Those who listen closely to our credit tool recall. Rachel was our intern over the summer, and we're psyched to have her taking the reins, aren't we Ellis? Yes. We are. Rachel say. Hi, everyone. You can't tell but she's Australian this episode was mixed by Brad Fisher. And our executive director of audio is montafir eighty and our glorious. 'this is by slow biz. If you love the upgrade, and I believe you do please go to apple podcasts and write a review. It means the world to us wanna chat, a guest, Email us at upgraded life. Hacker dot com or voice message at three four seven six eight seven eight one zero nine oh life Akron Twitter at life after and I'm Facebook at Facebook dot com slash life Acker, and you can find show notes for this. And every episode of the upgrade at life. Hackers dot com slash the show.

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"How I beat out 300 candidates for my dream sales job" - B2B Sales Mentors Book - Sample Story #19

Sales Success Stories

16:27 min | 2 years ago

"How I beat out 300 candidates for my dream sales job" - B2B Sales Mentors Book - Sample Story #19

"Yeah. You're listening to the sales success stories podcast where we deconstruct world class sales performers to provide insights and strategies to help you improve. To learn more. Visit us at top one dot FM. Here's your host, Scott ingrown. Today on the sales success stories podcast. I've got something really special for you. Coming up is the first new story from our new book beat the b sales mentors that we launched last week. This is also the first preview from that audio book that's launching today in some places, but not everywhere I'll tell you more about that. After the story. Scott Barker is head of partnerships at sales hacker, which was recently acquired by outreach dot IO. Scott was featured in episode fifty three of the podcast top one dot FM Ford slash fifty three and is working on two other stories for volume two of sales success stories how to close two million dollars in your first year on the job, and how to successfully navigate an acquisition. This is my story on how I beat out three hundred candidates for my dream sales. Joe? Beating out the competition to land sales job is hard beating out three hundred applicants for your dream job can seem nearly impossible. However, every amazing experience that I've had best far. He might career has been somewhere on that other side of impossible. In this story. I'm going to share with you how I was able to cross this seemingly impossible chasm and land by dream job. So backtrack a little bit. I loved my job. I was twenty four years old of business development manager at a fast growing SAS startup at hired a team full of really close friends, and we were all crushing it. Really had no intentions of going anywhere. But sometimes in life opportunities are put in front of you. That are really too good to pass out. Accompany that I have been following for a long time sales Acker was looking for a new head of partnerships and immediately when I read it I knew I had to throw my hat in the ring. The network I would gain would act as a springboard for my career. So I got this tunnel vision and really went to work. The only problem. Three hundred other sales professionals were also gunning for this job and many of them worked at what I would consider tier one tech companies like Salesforce, docu sun and adobe possessing way, more experience and education at you know, fancy business schools like Duke or Stanford or Columbia. So how did I manage to tumble out the other side of the hiring process? I wanna share with you. My step by step process for landing any sales job. Number one, always be connecting. The work starts before you even find your dream job. You have to be constantly networking as a sales professional. So that you're in the know of upcoming openings make sure that you're linked in profile is Chris at all times never know who could be looking in my particular case, the only announcement was actually linked impost. So if I wasn't part of the CEO's network, I never would have even known about this opportunity. Number two, follow a process, you need to re frame your mind to start looking at the hiring process as you would your sales process. In my case, I told the hiring manager straightaway. The I was going to do my best to go through this process as I would with one of their partners. If you're not rock solid on this process, which is arguably the most important sales process you'll ever run with them. Then how can they expect you to rocket with their clients? For me in order to apply you had to complete the Google form that had eight questions, and I made sure that had thought full answers and bugged a friend to proofread it form. Attention to details in speed of responsiveness matter. Don't shoot yourself in the foot before you even begin. Number three. Engage multiple stakeholders now, it's time. Engage other stakeholders and find yourself a champion. I reached out to the person currently in the role, and then another person that was part of the C suite try to set up a zoom. Call video on ideally lead with curiosity and position it as you wanted to make sure that it's a perfect fit for both parties. This is the perfect time to showcase that you're a good culture fit. And that you're someone they wanna work with every day because they will be. I was able to make a strong connection with the VP marketing who would act as my champion at throat the process, shutout guy, tan Denali. Number four, take an Omni channel approach. I made sure that the hiring manager in this case, it was the CEO MAC's chiller knew who I was I went all in on Email linked in Twitter, even Instagram. Thank you being too pushy. I'll tell you right now, you're not maybe if you were going for an engineering role or something along those lines. But this is sales persistence is good. Number five be passionate and be prepared. After all that. I was given the opportunity to jump on a phone interview was pretty nervous. So I tried to focus on those things. I could control in this case. I knew that even if I wasn't the smoothest I could certainly be the most passionate and prepared. I came to the interview with an agenda. I knew their total addressable market. I had a thirty sixty ninety plan. I knew they're offering through through had some suggestions in tweaks that they could possibly make had a list of answers or stories for common questions, and of course, had some intelligent questions of my own prepared. Make sure that you always get concrete next steps. Can overemphasize. How important it is made? Sure that you always get concrete next steps. Number five send a video follow up. As soon as the interview wraps out make sure that you're following out. That's really table stakes thanking them for their time and reiterating how excited you are about the opportunity in my case, I sent a quick video instead of just a normal Email to try to further separate myself from the pack. Number six, stay busy. Now at this point most people play the waiting game. However, you must ask yourself just like a sales process. Is there anything that? I could be doing that would increase my chances of getting to the next round for me. It was staying active on their social channels with thoughtful comments and looping in with my champion, two quick debrief on the interview. Number seven. I mentioned this briefly before, but it has to be said again, always get next steps. Now for the real interview. I was onto the next round which was your, you know, classic longer more formal video interview at this point. I actually started to let myself hope that there was a chance. So I double down and made sure that I had my best success stories down, Pat. At this point. My main goal was to explain exactly how it get us to where we need to be while showing how passionate I was about the organization. You need to show that you're not just looking for Asia. You're looking for this job. Of course, try to close the next steps and ask if there's anything that they can see that would stop you from getting the job. Number eight, go above and beyond. Personally, I'm over the critical of myself. So I left this final interview thinking that I didn't hit on a number of that. I was hoping to bring. Luckily, I was told the next day that I had made the shortlist. It was down to me and one other person truly don't think I slept for about two days. But once again, I ask myself is there anything I could do right now to improve my chances. I decided that that was. So I actually ended up hiring a graphic designer to help me build a sales deck on. Why was perfect for the job? So I ended up hiring a graphic designer to help me build a sales deck on. Why was perfect for the job? I even included quotes from all of my past bosses in there. Number nine do a hiring review. Fear in sales. You do a lot of deal reviews. This is no different. The next day. I got a phone call from the CEO saying that although it have been ridiculously difficult decision. I got the job even let me know that he was leaning towards the other guy who had a lot more experience apparently came down to that video that little extra effort, which he had happened a watch with his girlfriend, which put her on my side. The fact that I had internal champion was huge as well. And the fact they went above and beyond with the sales deck. Number ten focus on the one percent needless to say, I was pretty excited and looking back. It really wasn't one thing that I did. But the accumulation of everything that turned the tide for me. Everything I did got me one percent closer to my goal. And that's exactly how you should be looking at your sales process or hiring process. So little that. I know that the work was just getting started. But after lot of late nights it led to the best career year of my life. And I was able to close one million dollars in revenue in my first nine months on the job well above expectations. Also to top it all off one of the partners that I signed outreach dot IO ended up acquiring our company less than a year later. And now it feels like the sky is truly the limit. Now help this inspires you to go out there put everything on the line and land your dream job. Lastly, I wanted to just reiterate some of the lessons that I learned from this process. Treat the hiring process as a sales process because it is you are selling yourself. It's not just one thing that makes the difference. It's the combination of doing all the little things, right? Be creative. Pay attention to details and always do more. Another thing. I learned is passion with a bland Trump's experience every day of the week. If you can show that you're willing to roll up your sleeves get to work and approach the role with unequal passion. You can beat out experience. Then finally engaged with everyone in your network as if you might work with or for them one day because you just might. Scott has so much. Great actionable advice, if you want more I've got a couple of options for you. I I just shared a tip. Actually, it's more like four tips in one on the daily sales tips podcast today where Scott talks about why sales people need to behave. More like marketers. It's thought provoking stuff and definitely worth checking out. Then obviously, there's the full sail success stories interview, I did with Scott back in episode fifty three where you can get a full eighty minute dose of the man now, I mentioned the B two B sales mentors audio book in the intro. And I know a bunch of you have been waiting for that just like with the book, I've priced it. Ridiculously low out of the gate. In fact, for an audio book. This is really ridiculous now I reserve the right to increase the price over time. But the reason we released this book was to introduce more people to this podcast in the full sail success stories book, so we're trying to just. Make it affordable in really really acceptable right now. The audio book should be available on apple Google play. Barnes and noble script, audiobooks dot com and a bunch of lesser known outlets. Unfortunately, it probably won't be available on audible for another couple of weeks while I'm a big audible user myself. They're actually pretty terrible to work with as a creator. They don't allow you to control the exact timing of your release their slower than everybody else. And what will be really interesting is the pricing. Audible doesn't allow authors or publishers to set their own prices. They decide what your price should be. So I'm really curious to see how this is going to play out. But it's quite possible that audible will be the most expensive place to get the audio book. Anyway, I'll step down off my soapbox. Now, if you go to top one dot FM forward slash beat. The b I'll have all the most popular places you can buy the book in any. Format linked up there for you. Your best bet to be notified as soon as the audio book is available on audible and the bunch of other cool stuff is to join the listener list at top one dot FM. I've got an Email queued up there to let subscribers. No as soon as it's vailable. Thanks for listening. Thanks for buying the book and reviewing the book and be sure to come back next week for another interview where Al deconstruct and other top performing sales professional. Thanks for listening to the sales success stories podcast to be sure you never miss an episode and for an invitation to our sales success community powered by fluid. 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Ep. 145: The (TV Business) Times They Are A-Changin

Happier in Hollywood

27:24 min | 1 year ago

Ep. 145: The (TV Business) Times They Are A-Changin

"Ready to right do you want the scientists or the Nebraska people I definitely want Nebraska people which means I'm scientists. Hi and welcome to happier in Hollywood. The podcast about how to be Happier Healthier. Saner more creative more successful and more productive and backbiting superficial chaotic unpredictable. Fundamentally Insane World I'm Sarafina TV writer and producer living in. La And with me is my high school friend and writing partner. Liz that's me. Liz Craft on this podcast. We talk about being writers in Hollywood how we balance a career and friendship. And how survive the war of attrition? That is life in Los Angeles in this episode. We talked to writer Ben acker about his new audible original show cut and run. Then we have a mailroom question. Well several but wrapping it into one Sarah about getting a new agent will we or won't we and then we have an identity protecting Hollywood hack but first an update. Okay so are happier in Hollywood travel cups. Liz sold out super fast in the process of getting more. So if you think you feel free to email us but we'll definitely let you know when they're available again so if you don't hear from us it just means they're not yet available yes and then of them so and then Sarah we are scheduling a meet up soon. Yes and we will have cups at the meet ups so you'll be able to buy them at the meet up we're figuring out exactly the date and the place but it will be in the next six weeks. Yes if not sooner and then it Sarah. We got the most unexpected and delightful email so kate silver wrote and said I listened. Sarah a friend just excitedly sent me the link to your American beauty episode. I was so tickled to hear it because I wrote that Mary Kaye store. You made my year and it's only mid January and you have a new listener. Thanks for the big smile for anyone. Who NEEDS CLARIFICATION? We did a bonus episode recently where we did the pitch of our show American beauty's which we sold as a script twice to Fox a few years back and it was set in a fictional. Mary Kay cosmetics type world and in the pitch we talk about how I was flying on South West and I was reading the Southwest magazine and there was an article written by someone who had tried out being a Mary. Kay Saleswoman and I was sort of captivated by this article and it got my imagination. Going about being one of these Sales women and we talk about it. And this is the woman. Kate silver who wrote that actual piece amazing lay so cool. I love that. She said that e mail it made us so my God and it just like small world. Yeah I mean very goodness sake that she wrote that like many years ago. Yeah so Anyway so thank you for reaching out. We're so happy to connect. Yes and if anyone wants to listen to that bonus episode if you haven't already it's between episode one twenty eight and one thousand nine in the feed. Okay Liz. It's time for from the treadmill desks of in which we discuss. What's most pressing in our work psyches and this week? It's picking Ben Akers brain. Ben Acker is the CO writer and Co creator of the first narrative fiction. Podcast the thrilling adventure hour. He and his writing partner Ben Blacker have written for TV and sold many UN produced pilots. And they have a brand new audible original out in the world called cut and run. It's about best friends. Who are kitty thieves and how their job messes their social lives and he also writes a Web comic about superheroes and feelings that you can find at. Www DOT kid midnight comic dot Com. We specifically wanted to talk to Ben because as you know we've discussed it many times we're starting a fiction. Podcast company and Ben has first of all he did the first narrative fiction podcast with Ben Blacker and now he has this audible original. Yes we want to know everything. There is to know about everything. He's done in short. Welcome come thanks you for having me. We are thrilled. That you're here will first. Let's start with just telling us about cut and run. We'll cut run is an audible original which is just a lung finite podcast. It's a three hour story about best friends who happen to be kidney thieves that job messes with their social lives. Which makes sense it. Would right. Yes we've been listening to it and it's like yeah some odd hours and you kind of have to hide a lot keeping a secret which is not good for relations so you have done a fiction podcast. You did like the first fiction podcast over there to fiction. Podcast we to say the thrilling adventure hour for ten years. We did it as a live stage. Show for five years as a podcast. It was in the style time radio and it was a really fun time and it taught us how to do how to write for audio. And what's the difference between that an audible? Original isn't just sort of that. It's all together or I. Guess the the the PODCAST was probably more episode council episodic serialized and this is a finite thing. It's a beginning middle and an end. We tried to to make it feel different tunnel. You know when when we got into the nuts and bolts of it was like let's make it a different narrator than we usually have and it's contemporary feeling like the reference water in a way that we didn't touch when we were doing pastiche. Oh interesting when is the process of doing an audible? Original is different. Though than doing a short we tended to do our thrilling adventure hour on stage in front of an audience and this was more conventional like voice recording in a studio with the standard Actress behind glass. All around microphones as many as we could get time and US The director Alex Bredow and my writing partner blacker and I sitting there talking through notes and doing retakes and that kind of thing. They were hardly retakes. And so you. How long was the script did you? So you obviously wrote the entire script so we four you the first time we wrote it for the first time as back in two thousand seven pilot pilot got us all our meetings okay and then through the years. It sold a handful of times and a couple of years ago in two thousand seventeen. We sold it to a podcast company. Who wanted to make a handful of episodes? So they commissioned it. We got a room together. We broke some story. We broke the six episodes that they want six hours and then they went a different way in terms of what they were after they were after true crime instead of fake rat. Got It so we had these six episodes sitting around. We tried to take it around and ended up a year later. A friend of mine showed it to audible and they said let's make this really supportive from the from the jump and we cast it and put it together and record it. Well leads me to question I have. Which IS MEG? Ryan is your narrator. Which last around come makes perfect sense? How did you get Meg Ryan talking to her about getting her four some project and this one does seem like a no-brainer maze? It was great. She has. She's Meg Ryan. She always has been through so the director and I scraped in record. She was in Martha's Vineyard and we listen as she recorded the thing in her. First question was would you like a narrator voice? No you're right the line is Albie narrator but I want you to change A to b Meg Ryan your narrator. That is amazing. Now one thing we just want to know selfishly because as we've mentioned on the podcast we are also working on their tive fiction podcasts. And we've just were writing scripts now. How is writing for audio different from writing for television? What tips can you give us? I find it very like it's a bit of boggle. Yeah I was thinking about it and I was thinking that what you get to do in a scene right as you're reading who seen it's about objective and conflict and that kind of thing and you get to express that through dialogue. Ideally right through text and subtext so instead of like the dynamics of seen coming out in a way that's like how a character stands how you shooting at how you're approaching it. How they're saying what they're saying it gets to be fattier. If you're writing for any other medium because the ebbs and flows of the shift in power and the the the wanting thing and stopping things from happening get to be conversational in any way you want so you can like you can go anywhere as long as it's an expression of what the characters after or how. They're feeling what they're doing. It's it's I don't know it gets to be disipline. Wli UNDISCIPLINED RAW. Nearly I've been mulling it around but I think so you're just thinking all it's all in the dialogue. I mean and it can be and you can do a thing where you build a soundscape. And you can't do a thing where you can totally use the narrator to say every inch of anything that would be a stage direction or whatever you want. I mean that's the other thing is as people like to say about everything. It's the wild west right. Yes which is what's so fun about it. Do you find that there. Are things like if we're writing a script for TV where they're actors. Who were going to see. We write a lot of like she. Stiffens gives him a look like what are. Are there things like that in audio? That are kind of the go. To's we I guess. I guess having come up in Fake Radio. I never right she. Stiffens like other scripts like. You don't need it you can. I mean you probably do you definitely do but I don't want it. Because it interrupts the flow fun- fund dialogue stuff like so at the end of a thing or can can give you everything you want to know. Like part of it is as much as I said. You can write whatever that less is more thing can work too so like if you end with a guy going and that's what I think. So you know you get out of beat of opinion and idea and it can be any. I mean any vocalisations of which gives you a chance to like collaborate match realistically with an actor a beat a beat fans of yes. We are the notes in the editor of the thing where a lot of like me learning that. I have a qualitative difference in my head about the difference between a beat. I mean not a beat. I never said a hair end. Breath breath is longer than of course. Yes I'm sure that yes and another question. I have is the number of people in a scene as a problematic to have more than two Max. Three people seen our Max with six okay in the in the old days and we found that like we were practiced enough that that it gets to be that for us but distinguishing thing. Is there a couple of points in this in cut and run where had to put a breath in because Meghan Darcy have similar vocal qualities? So you have to like cast as different voices as you can to be able to follow what's going on and put a breath not a hair depending too breath. There's no measure larger list of metric. Good to know we will store that away and then we have to ask you this because we are in Hollywood. You're the pay for this. Is it something if someone starting out that were? They could make this their career. They couldn't no. It's this is also the wild wild west right so I don't. This wouldn't pay it okay. But you're established in your top. We're super duper us. Yeah we keep kind of wondering Just in general about audio narratives is like. Is it going to be something where that's just what people do or is it always going to be aside? I don't know I think. The companies like audible are aspiring to be for real in the game. The money is good. They were willing to Blake. GotTa Meg Ryan Right. Yes sometimes people will spend money on actors and they won't spend money on writers and creators. So you know it was not that you know audible job have a job though right. Then what is one piece of advice that you'd give to? Someone perhaps us who wants to do an audible original. I think it's the things that piece of advice that you get whenever people give advice about what to write next. Which is doing you most want to do. Don't try and fit in a box. Do like do the story that you're burning to tell you no because because there aren't that many rules there's no like you can do a western. There's no horse budget. That is a wonderful thing. You can have a nuclear explosion can do the biggest in the world but and as with everything though it's gotta be about characters and relationships right. India said voice. Ah that's fantastic. I mean basically boils down to just make it good gas which is the most basic piece of advice that people often forget. You're the first audience for you if you're partners then I mean it's even better. Because he had to surprise each other. I would tell anyone out there who's thinking about doing this to listen to cut and run first of all it's entertaining but second of all. I think it's really helpful to listen and get a feel for what this even is because it is so new. Ben Thank you so much. Thank you thank you. We love cotton run next up. We some thoughts on one of our most common mailroom questions. Are we going to get a new agent? But I this break Sarah. I have to tell you something recently. There was several days in a row where I did. Not Log my weight into my new Wait tracker and guess what happened. I think I can guess I gained weight and no it is not all about the number on the scale but I am keeping track and I realize I just have to log neum. Is they habit changing solution? That helps users learn to develop a new relationship with food through personalized courses based in psychology. Neum teaches you why you do the things you do and empowers you with the tools. Like that way tracker. You're talking about Liz that you need to break bad habits and replace them with better ones. You don't have to change it all in one day. Small steps make big progress. Sign up for your trial today at Neum N. O. M. dot com slash. Hollywood what you have to lose visit. Neum DOT com slash. Hollywood to start your trial today. That's N. O. M. dot com slash. Hollywood okay Sarah it's time for our mailroom segment. Now we've been getting the same question over and over so we thought we'd answer it or at least discuss it because I don't think there's really an answer at this point But we did want to address the question yes And the question is. Are we going to get a new agent? Risa big question. Yes it is. And for those who don't know the Writers Guild and the Association of talent agents particularly the big four agencies W CAA UTA. An ICBM are in a dispute and we won't go into the whole thing but basically a boils down to the. Wj Is no longer allowing agencies to have certain conflicts of interest and as part of that. We parted ways with our agent the wonderful Matt Solo. Who'S A W EMMY LAST APRIL? Yes and many of you might remember Matt From the show because we had a segment called call your agent where he would call Matt and ask them about various things in the business and he was such a great contributor to happen in Hollywood but it was really really is so fun to listen to listen to his episodes But of course we have not had that segment Since this parting of ways because this spook so you know look Matt has been our agent for fifteen years give or take and we didn't think we'd ever be parting ways with him and we really haven't talked to him since. I mean we've exchanged you know pleasantries. He said congratulations on selling something you know but we truly are not we truly ageless. Yes at this point yes. It was interesting because we were at a meeting with someone in this situation came up and the person said. Well you're technically agent lists and we were like no. We're we're not technically agent. Louis we are agents yes You know there are rumors about people out there working with their agents. We are not and we don't know anyone personally who is and we don't think it's cool. Yeah so that being said we've now reached almost a year of not having an agent Our pilots aren't going forward so we're left in a position of having to figure out what we're doing next. We're lucky because we have many many contacts and people know to reach out to us and we can reach out to them but that is not the same as having an agent. You know who sort of hearing what's happening. In general yes and many agencies are now signatory with the wgn over the course of the last however many months many agencies have signed the code of conduct with the WG A and so there are agents who we could have out there in the world Yes so it's becoming more and more of a choice to not have an agent right and there's just a lot of things to consider. I mean there's you know if we signed with someone new that would be it even if it was resolved. It wouldn't be right to just go back. So if we made a commitment it would be amendment. Yeah and then. We'll w me ever sign will hurt. They don't know and if they do will be a year from now or two years from. Now it's it's doesn't seem like they're going to be signing anytime soon. Of course it's also possible that some agents from big agencies could go off and start a new agency which might be a place. We'd want to go. So do we wait and see if that happens? Hint Hint Matt So it's just a lot to consider. I mean you know. We had been hoping that this would resolve quickly and now we would resume our relationship with mad and everything would kind of go back to normal with this new agreement in place but that isn't happening so we don't have an answer now. We discuss it kind of nonstop. What we we have. This don't discuss it. We say we should discuss right. We go we go like. Oh we're talking about this. What would that be like and then we go? Let's talk about it in two weeks. Yeah let's see what's happening in two weeks because it's really tough. Yeah this is a very emotional thing. Matt has been great agent for us. Yeah and writers all over Los Angeles are grappling with this apple. Who who's agencies haven't signed. It's really it's very complicated So we don't have an answer to that question but we understand why everyone's asking and look. We hope to wake up tomorrow and here. This whole thing is resolved but if hot we'll just we'll discuss at cerrone another and I think we also we should acknowledge that we are in a very fortunate situation. Yes that we feel confident that we could get an agents another agent right. There are a lot of people who don't have access and the resume that we have. Yes yeah we're in a lucky position on many fronts. Yeah you know so. It's a fluid situation. Yeah so he yes so anyway. Thanks everybody for your concerned. We do appreciate it. That's where we're at right now. Coming up we've got a Hollywood hack. That means you don't have to use that. Dreaded shredder so often but I healthy plan based nontoxic cleaning products work and the good ones are actually more enjoyable to us. But where do you start? And who do you trust? That's where Grove collaborative comes in Grove. Collaborative is the online marketplace. That delivers all natural home. 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It's so simple and yet so brilliant it is okay so it's called the wide identity protection roller and I had got one years ago And I've been using it regularly for a long time. You can get it on the gromit website. Maybe you can get it other places as well. So what the white identity protection roller does. It's an ink. Roller that delivers an encrypted pattern in oil based ink that penetrates paper leaving texts. Like your name and address unreadable on both sides of nonglossy paper so if you're recycling bank statements or like everything you get from Amazon for example. Has Your name your address if you have prescription things that you pick. It has all this private information on it. You just roll this over it. And then there's another one for Like prescription bottles that you can get that you just Kinda roll it around the side of the bottle and it's designed specifically for that. I literally use it every day. And then do you do. Roll it on an ink pad and then roll it on the paper or no L. Inc itself inking so I just take it out of the drawer. Roll it across the paper. Put it back in the drawer and recycle lasts for a long time. I've had mine for ages. Wow okay that's awesome and you can get refill rollers as well with with -freshing so you can just use the same thing over and over. I love it okay. I'm a Fan Nine. Good snow not an just something useful. That's right we would hack. Okay Liz it's time for this week's celebrity sighting. Yes and Sarah. You'll remember last week. I saw Harry Hamlin Who I describe as a Beverly Hills House husbands because he's married to a Beverly Hills Housewife Lisa arena. And this week we saw Lee Serena. I'm Brian Canyon. Sam Place we saw Harry Hamlin. Yes and it was so funny because we're starting up the hill at that like really super steep spot in the hill. And there's this woman just like dancing on down dancing and she's walking. She was wearing a sweatshirt. That said Cindy Crawford. Grab a front You couldn't help. Who's that yes And her hair looks fabulous. Lisa renna signature hairdo. She looks like camera ready. Frankly hike but I have to tell you. She seemed so happy. Yeah like I largely Serena was so fun to see her really like gave me a lift that morning. So see Harry Hamlin release arena. Freeman Canyon is the place. And that is it for this episode of Happier in Hollywood for questions or comments. Email us or send us a voice memo to happier in. Hollywood G MAIL DOT COM. Thanks for listening and please subscribe if you haven't already thank you so much to our guests. Ben acker listen to cut and run on audible and you can follow Ben on twitter at be an acker. That's be an A. C. K. E. R. Thank you as always story executive producer the amazing Chuck Reed and to everyone at Saint Cola. Sound you can follow them on Instagram at Sinkhole Assaf and thank you to everyone at cadence thirteen. And as always thank you to Gretchen Rubin. Happier in Hollywood is part of the onward project. Check out the other onward project. Podcasts have here with Gretchen Rubin side-hustle school and do the thing with whole thirties. Melissa urban get in touch. I'm on instagram. At Bain and Liz is atlas craft. We also have a facebook group search for happier in Hollywood on facebook to join in on the conversation until next week. I'm Liz Craft and I'm Sarah Fain thanks for joining us. It's a fun job. And we enjoy. Sara here's what I wanted. Now if I was like dancing next to you and Framing Canyon West we hiked. Would you be embarrassed or like would you tell me to stop? Or would you not care? I would probably not tell you to stop because I'm conflict averse but I would be embarrassed. That makes luckily for you. I would never imagine you do. I would actually would like you to. That was amazing from the onward project.

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Deborah Acker  Intuitive Relationship Healing; Vulnerability; & Honoring Our Sensitivity

The Healing Place Podcast

35:43 min | 3 months ago

Deborah Acker Intuitive Relationship Healing; Vulnerability; & Honoring Our Sensitivity

"Welcome to the healing place part coast space with inspirational stories of hope along with practical advice for your healing journey. Your host terry walbrook trauma warrior writer speaker blogger therapy dog handler and founder of the same as fumbles of hope project as a survivor and thrive over. Terry's mission is to shine the light of hope into the world by interviewing inciteful guests from across the globe. The healing podcast is fiscally sponsored project of fractured atlas. Welcome everybody to the healing list. Podcast i'm your host terry. Well brock and so very thrilled to have with me today. Deb acker and she is intuitive relationship coach author speaker Gap and. I'm just really thrilled to have her so welcome. Deb yeah thank you so much. I'm so grateful to be here. I'm so excited to be having this conversation today. Yes smith's well. And i know you had chosen intuitively to a really a theme that we're going to focus on Which is honoring your emotions to create a deep connected relationship in life. And i love that. I love that theme. And i'm i'm ready to learn more as well. So yes talk to the audience about who you are what you do. So i'm an inch would relationship healer and basically so just to give you a little bit about my story in my background and kind of how i got to this point of intuitive relationship feeling and even what that is So before. I was two years old my dad last and when i was seventeen my mother passed away and while at the time. Obviously those were extremely hard I would say moments but they were extremely like they created a really challenging childhood What they were meant to do they cemented in a deep abandon pattern but what they were meant to do was kind of set me on my pass right and so obviously part of that was working through You know my dad was my life my entire life right but it was working through the forgiveness pieces of that right and really. How do i fully forgive him. An actually really realize that that was part of my path was going to set me off towards my purpose right and there was that mixed with losing my mom before i was even eighteen years old who she was my best friend. She was my sister. She was my world and How do you work through the grief of that right which is not a one and done thing or even a decade thing right. It's something that you know you carry with you. But how do you work through that. And how does that relationship. I'm if you're if you're lucky enough and you open to it. How can that relationship evolves as you start to shift and move through the course of your life so you know those two moments really what happened to me. They cemented in that. Deep phantom at patterns and then from there when i went to start to date We can all imagine it did not go well And you know it was really through that door of seeking love and wanting love in my life you know like opened up this desire to heal those because i just really really wanted to have that relationship and that led me down this path of you. Heal your abandonment pattern. Which so many people had told me you would just be managing it. You know through my life. So how do you heal that in so many of the patterns that come with you. How do you forgive and How do you create and use everything that's happening in your life including your emotions To create deep connected relationships and to really love yourself and And other show up for you in that same way. So that is an edited version of that. Well and one of the things that really struck me what you just said was how. And i can't even remember the words the use but but how the relationship continues on with your your mother and father. Even though they're they're not present in. So i love that idea of it. Continuing that relationship does continue on even through grief. Yeah my dad is still in my life. He's he's still alive. He's still invent physical harm so that relationship. I'm grateful right because i've had the opportunity to do the forgiveness work and then see how that relationship has changed in physical form which is freaking incredible and literally just like brings tears to my eyes even think about it and then you know there's the aspect my mom who did pass away so she is in our hold. That relationship has changed You know through the grief. And then how he shifted in in what relationship looks like now. Yeah absolutely i say. Amen and alleluia. What you said about that relationship. My mom's eighty five and she's a year and a half sober and so she has started to do her healing work. And wow it an impact. It's had on our relationship. in healing. our relations are mother daughter relationship. Yeah very popular. It's it's a really beautiful thing and that in the thing is like so I don't know how much your your listeners know about so contracts but i had a sole contract That i had to do certain kinds of forgiveness. Work right that i had to heal my amendment pattern to bring love into my life and so here. I am ten years ago when i'm like dinning on this path and feeling so frustrated Spent years in unsuccessful therapy where i had awareness of what was happening but i wasn't nothing was changing and i was feeling so frustrated. I'm like why isn't this working for me. Why can't i get this right. You know. I had been at that point. It was in the corporate world. I had had success in every other aspect of my life and it was like you know in the corporate world. You make things happen right and then to try to do that in love. It wasn't working like a hearing store but got my friends. Don't there's anyone who they're not into swearing but You know and so it was. It was one of those things where i like. I had to be willing to try something different to to create that right. I had to be willing to do something different to go in a different direction. You know in part had a codependent relationship with my therapist so you know there was this dynamic of just you know my mother and like i felt like she was. I had i when i was younger. I even now too. But i tend to attract a lot of mother figures in my life right the which makes sense right with the loss of my mom and she was just sort of one of those figures that had taken on that role As a result of that though are therapy wasn't really working that well you know and But it was meant obviously set me off on on my path and on that journey. Yeah i know on my own. Abandonment issues i was drawn to narcissists for in. There is just that pool towards Narcissistic personalities yeah. Yeah yeah. I mean i I dated. I'd at least identified in dated least one or two narcissist that i've been aware of It's it's it's like when we're impacts and stuff we tend to. I don't know some your nfl to attract you know the narcissistic personality or that can be you know one of the one of the things that that we are that we tend to attract attracted to heal it really. It's like can we move through it. Can we heal at. Can we You know can we recognize that and just this awareness like it has to be that way right like it can shift. We don't always have to the good guys. They're good humans Out there and us doing you know the inner work really absolutely shifts. That changes that. Yeah well i think part of mine was like that. Savior good girl. I always feel like a heads. Yes do the fixing be the and again went back to my mom and how fascinating it is. So it's so incredibly fascinating how we do take on these roles especially children if we've been through adverse childhood experiences and Yes an internalized those roles and then yes. Does it come up in relationships. Yeah yeah exactly. it's like you know. They set the stage for relationships. And like when you've gone through that stuff in childhood and i it's just so hard and so challenging. I mean i spent many years not no way. It's like you know you kind of feel like this image right now being underwater right and you can just feel like you're underwater. You're just trying to like you know tread water like you know. Take a breath right. And you're just literally just trying to navigate and get through it and you're trying to find someone for me. I was trying to find someone who was good. But you know. Even the guys that i to that i would say we're good guys. Were better guys in the world. I mean they still were showing up for me. Because i have those relationship patterns right so they were still either like i had a guy it for a couple of years he was he was really good guy but he disappeared on me every so often and it was like three traumatizing for me because of my background right but it was. He was a good and he was good. He was good human but it was like oh my goodness he just disappear for like a weekend. I wouldn't hear from him or anything. Of course that was triggering. My abandonment pattern and one of the things that i learned i write up. I wrote about this in my book. Living deeply but one of the things that i learned was so when i would be feeling that abandonment if i could just stay with it if i could just allow myself to feel it versus what i would like to you know what i was typically doing with it which was like call my friends or run away from it or go workout or ice cream or you know i mean i had you know we all have our escape methods right and so when i started to i got the whisper of like you can actually heal this pattern in this lifetime so when i started to really go okay i went on a date with a guy i write about in my book that was like an eight hour day. Non date it wasn't like a defined date kept getting extended over and over and over again in the old me was sort of in the wiring or the conditioning of like he was the center and i was like tell me what was going to happen right. Tell me what what we're going to you know. Are we gonna go out again right. And i was kinda waiting for him to make that decision in. It's like he wanted to go out with me. Then i think he was getting intuitive hits around of his own as he was he was. He was an use intuitive. To and i got it wasn't clear we left the date and i wasn't clear if we're gonna go out again and it took me into my animate trigger and so you know that night and into the into the next day i like i felt it and i finally that following day was like i'm just gonna sit with this. I wanted to kick my phone. I wanted to do all the things that we do to escape. And i was like. I'm just going to be as present as i can with this. And like just sit with intel it shifts until it clears and it was a huge step to just one small piece by that practice was a huge step. Starting to really actually. Can i heal it. Can i feel whole conversations about feeling right. Can i actually be with it and sit within just like allowed to be there and not try to do something either. Get away from it or to escape. Permit sell yes and i love what you just said that practice because while have i talked about that. A lot on this show of just changing habitual patterns changing creating new practices. Yes yeah it's like it's it's it's key that so we are so conditioned to like i think of things like were successful or not successful like that worked out like even if if we get into a relationship was a relationships not good. It's like oh. But i i stayed in it. It was successful right verses. This idea of like no point and us being in that context being willing to be the contractors where it's like okay me sitting in that abandonment trigger that time shifted one piece of the abandoned sherpur. It didn't put it to an end in that moment but it shifted one piece. If i could just let myself have that one piece right the not creates this experience with this feeling of like okay then the next time another thing shifts and all of a sudden. I don't know if you've talked about this or had anyone talked about this but the whole corkscrew thing with our patterns. And this idea that you know if you're you're we tend to think of growth is linear but if you can think of it more in a corkscrew where it's like okay. I shifted this one piece of my mandate pattern. And then i moved up and keep moving up until the patterns finally releases and that's something that's so huge important because then all of a sudden were not Didn't work because i didn't still had my bandaged trigger after that. It's like at work. I just have more to heal or more to shift. I love that visual. I've talked about that as a spiral staircase with grief before the further. You move away from the the death itself Gone to suicide Vigil and apparent was talking about the death of his son but he had talked about that. Spyro as you as you move away from it and you keep coming around with things. So i love that corkscrew. Idea of yes You you know you're making progress and you may come back around but yeah you're making progress. Yeah and and you can see it from higher vantage point each time right so like which is awesome powerful. Yeah beautiful all right cool all right so honored motions to create a deep connected relationship in life. I think we've already started talking about any specific points that you want to want to address. So here's the thing our emotions get kind of a bad rap right like you know we tend. I thinking about this not too long ago. I had this awareness like happens when we start crying. What what's the first thing someone says to us. They say what's wrong right. It's not what's right because you're feeling and because you're actually connected to yourself and connected to your experience. It's what's wrong so that right there mixed with all these messages. I don't know what kind of message is. Maybe you had growing up. I had like your emotional. You know Or overly emotional. You have all these messages in our background about is not safe to feel right and in doing so what we do. Is we abandon ourselves. So it's you know it's subconscious. It's extremely subtle. But what you know. I don't know if you've talked about her Than any of the inner child work right. You know what we're saying is is that are know are the little girl or little boy that lives inside of us right that their first of all. They're not safe right. And we're saying you know like their feelings don't matter and then we go on the world and we expect other people to make our feelings matter when we're not honoring or owning our own feelings and making them matter right and so it's so important that we really You know like take the time to honor ourselves to go. You know even something as simple as like you have a bad day right in at the end of your day you go You sit down in bed with your self at night and you go. Hey tell me about that day and it can be to yourself can be your inner child. I know a lot of people can overseeing this our inner troubles that that that person that had dreams and hopes and desires and also had pain in people hurt them. Maybe you know we talked about. We talked about with our parents right in the ways they showed up right and so sitting down whether it's with them or just yourself and just creating a dialogue that's like hey what was that like for you and your boss ignored you were when you didn't get that promotion or when xyz person talk to you that way and then just like. I always do this in real time. But it's like hey like. I didn't like that and i always kind of seeing it. Leave your body's when you're saying about cemented in it's about it and then sing it leave you because it's stored in your cells right and so much of the time so many of the things we create in our lives is to have that voice that we didn't get to have when we were kids to be able to stop or to be able to say that's not okay or to be able say that really hurt me and so we can honor that in real time in our current moments right like a really hurt me that my boss didn't acknowledge my work on that project right. have clients when we're in our sessions. Do this like that. Intuitive needs to be said to release the energy release the pattern. But it's like a husband. Say this in our sessions. And i haven't seen just over and over and keep it as simple as possible right like it really hurt me. That really hurt me. What you did really hurt me right and you just stayed over and overseeing it in your body just trusting it's leaving you know setting the intention that it's leaving and even now i just said it's like lighter like you're impacting my heart. I don't know how to describe it because you you know when i feel tremendous joy which is quite often it feels like it's flowing out of my heart for just now. I was just feeling this station. My heart my soul. I whatever this area is very impactful. And i love in the other thing. I wanna bring up as you say. I don't know if you've talked about this before. But i love that. Yeah some people who've come on and talked a little bit about the inner child or some people have come on and talked about you know different aspects that we've talked about but coming from another perspective just another angle. You're saying things that i know for me is very resonating and i know for people who are going to listen to this. It's just really going to resonate. And i love that Just shining a new light in a different area on it is beautiful so thanks no no. You're welcome. I like i like i always in these in like any time. I'm having conversation. I'm there's like a flow coming through like what easter he said what needs to be shared. So thank you so much. For reflecting that i really appreciate it. Oh absolutely again. I just you know you're making me go on like asked this. I love it. And i'm gonna go upstairs tonight and be like okay and do exactly what you said it really. It's a. It's a really beautiful thing and i do. I will say like the work. I have done. I've done so much. Inner child work. I have like read such close relationship with her and so much of the time. Like when we're sitting here. It's like that relationship facilitates all of my clients relationships. It facilitates in its. I love it. I mean it's such a beautiful thing. 'cause that child that was within us like she she or he deserves they deserve to have. It has a world right we all we all deserve that and they started to beat knowledged and seen and heard and loved loved for all of who they are and not. Just oh will this aspect you know like you. Nothing emotional is valued. Are you being really you know. logical super valued. But you. you being emotional is you know is not is not as valuable in this world right. They deserve to have all aspects of them fully and hardly loved now and again. I just. it's just so as resume. Because i've always taken you know little terry and put her on my lap and men like you know talk to her about the trauma parts in the pain parts and all of that but never really about like the dream parts in the zoo when you said that i was like. Oh my god that's brilliant too. Yeah let's talk about. What were you dreaming about. What did you want to achieve and the good stuff of the childhood. Yeah i love it all right. Cool so yeah. One is two things. Actually that i saw on your website. That i really again spoke to me was vulnerability and honoring our sensitivity. Those are again to really big topics i know for those of us were trauma history and on the healing path Putting our our vulnerability out there into the world in relationships with strangers Friendships and then really again honoring our sensitivity to huge topics really. Yeah yes oh what's coming up to talk about. Let's let's i to. We'll touch on the on both ways as it's coming up to talk about what the vulnerability piece here's the thing. When you've had deep abandonment patterns are deep trauma in your life A lot of what happens is that we become fearful people leaving us right or fearful of some kind of attack. So what happens is the result of that. Is that for. Make up that you know were wrong or some part of us is wrong or were like like. I made up my dad left. It's like like subconsciously. I must have done something wrong. That caused him the lease right when it had nothing to do with me at all. I mean like you know not really right. It had to do with him in what he needed to do from south. But so that space than when we go to get close with someone get connected with someone what ends up happening is is that there's that subconscious underneath layering that they're going to leave right or something's going to happen in there and they're not gonna love me the way that i am and so of course. Part of that key is that we build that relationship with ourselves. I dive deeper into this in my putting an end to people relationships masterclass and of course as well on people relationship feeling course but that is You know this dynamic of okay. Can i really to build that relationship myself. Can i have those. Inner child talks at night or in the morning. Whenever you have that space right. Can i honor my experience in honor might feelings. How am i relating in the world. And how am i like. It's like how am i honoring when someone does something that's not okay. Do you brush it off or even the ways that we're like. Oh it's no big deal like the some of the language that we use to minimize and to you know we diminish our own experience to make someone else comfortable right and so it's so important that we are first of all building relationship with ourselves now as we do that it becomes safer to be more vulnerable in our relationships. So Having those hard conversations right where you know you have have you know have have a challenging conversation with someone like because i feel safe with me i feel safe in that conversation right because i know my boundaries. I know what's okay and what's not okay. I can feel safe sharing myself in that conversation and safe with that person. You know so. It's like the key is is us feeling safe with ourselves right and you know we start to feel more safe with ourselves when we've acknowledged experience over and over and over again in different ways through the inner child work through you know Stepping up and saying you know what that's not. okay. I mean. I'll use a simple example in this moves into the path part but like being super sensitive being right on one day. I had a guy who's gonna work. He was going to do something with myself. I just got into new. Sofas acting bay damage when legs or something and so he came to my door and it. Funny because intuitively. I tuned in tim before he came in. I kept seeing this like with the nose. But i did and then he came to my door and he smelled like smoke and like reeked of it. Right and me being like so super sensitive. I was like i like especially. It's gonna work on my wasn't gonna work in my laundry or something like he was gonna work on my furniture right. It's like smell it's just like and so you know in that moment and it's it can be hard to have this real time access right but in that moment i had to actually go okay You know. I'm going to have to help us man that it's not okay to come into my house right like a kind of suggestion you eric ovalles said can you wear out but it was like you sit outside for a few minutes. I'm john. I was gentle as gentle as i could be about right again. My relationship and my recognizing there's a person standing in front of me. He's just doing the best that he can in his experience. Who'd you lose. He actually been told me i'm sick. I'm trying to quit. And he was like well. I don't really have time to do that. Because you know what the work required into the. I just had to say okay. We'll get this is not okay with me. you know. this is not okay for me. I'm just like super sensitive is not about you. It's just about me and my in our experience and then you know and it worked out perfectly because then what happened was i called the company and then they sent someone from another company. Who didn't smoke wasn't gonna know like it wasn't gonna bother be right so i honored my experience and i didn't in a gentle way like i didn't have to go. You can't be here 'cause you you smoker. You know like. I didn't have to make him wrong. It was just. I had to honor my own experience and not abandon myself in that moment. Yes would beautiful story and i love. It really made it about you. Not about him but about you need. So yeah yeah and so honoring our sensitivities in our relationship again. We have been taught a lot of times. Those things are wrong or like. They're not lovable. And i have this vision for the the world. That like 'cause so i've started to do this even in Relationships where maybe i don't know the people that well like I'm just getting all these wonderful opportunities in my life. So they are selling the place that i'm living in. And so i had to have like people coming into my in and out of my house which like just really just really sensitive and i'm aware of my environment. I'm aware of others. And i'm just protective of my environment. Who allowed it to my space. And so then. I've had to be like okay. I've got an honor. My experience right and i was like okay. This is okay. This is not okay and again the more that i can do that the more that i like. I'm not leaving myself you no matter what's being asked to near what's being required of me. I'm not gonna leave myself to please you or to make you feel okay. I'll just all the ways that would when we're kids. We become a lot of chances. If you had abandonment in your environment we become ultimate people pleasers right because like the subconscious thing underneath that is like. Oh yeah me too You know the subconscious thing underneath that is that You know if i'm a people pleaser. They won't hurt me again. They won't leave me again right. And so it's then you gotta We don't even know what our truth is. We're not connected to ourselves. Those moments rights let alone actually share that truth with others right and so Starting to really become aware of like okay. What is it that. I want as a result right questions that like when i was first doing this work. It's like what do i want right now. What do i need right now. What am i feeling right now and throughout my day i would ask myself that to start to because we don't even know what we're feeling because we're so conditioned to keeping ourselves safe in our environment based on okay my parents gonna show up this way for me or they're not gonna show up this way for me. And how do. I protect myself in that environment. While i completely. I may become the center focus right. Use the example on. Love this example. But it's like You know when you're watching a a musical right and there's the center performer. And then everyone is dancing around that center performer. It's like in your life. Are you the center performer. Are you the person who's dancing around someone else in your life. It's like hara it's and so. Can you know the more we can move until i'm center stage of my own life. Which is who should be center stage for your life right. The more we can move into that the more we can start to make ourselves matter and make our feelings matter and selves to be seen and be heard right the more that we can do that which again we do first and foremost with our relationship with ourselves and then we bring that out the world. The more that starts to shift everything. Yes wow again you saw. My reaction is like oh my gosh and i was up in revelation so i love that visual. I always love visuals of. Because i saw myself dance around. Yeah i mean. I was like i had this really close relationship with my mom but it was codependent and it wasn't built under High functioning in it was kinda. It was kinda dysfunctional because while she was working a lot so she was not a route so like this abandonment My dad leaving then. My mother was not around a lot because she was working when she wasn't working sometimes she was home but a lotta times who she wanted to go work out and take care of herself. She was trying to date as a single mom. I mean there was all these dynamics that were in there. So what happens is I don't know if you've had any Talked about attachment styles or anything but You know for me The development anxious attachment style because it was like when my mom was present. She was present. She was there and it was amazing right but then it was like i subconsciously made up i can do something that will either get her to be present with me or get her not to be present with me. Right and Condition me like. I could do the right thing in relationship. Do the wrong thing relationship right. And so you know. There's that dynamic that ends up playing out and then for me the the ten southbound anxiety. I was anxious always dating. I was always anxious like anxious that they're gonna leave in. You know just constantly anxious. And then i did the work to actually he'll move into secure attachment style because i was like being anxious in relationship isn't shouldn't be my normal especially insurance someone showing up consistently for you right. It's like Why am i actually really anxious. It's not really because of how this person is or isn't showing up. It's because of you know. Obviously childhood stopped. Yes and amazing to me that it almost always seems to come back to china right. Yeah yeah. I always say it's like you know those Even small moments you know. We're talking about big moments but even small moments like no you. I always use this example of like. Us your mom for a piece of chocolate. And she's like no. You should have an apple. We are making up subconscious conclusions in that moments. Like for instance. I don't know what i want. Because here's an authority. Figure telling me what. I want or You know what i want isn't right. You know those are a couple And then that belief gets stored into our body in becomes a magnetized for our present day moment until it's brought up to consciousness which is again a huge part of the work that i do with my clients to help them. People say when they're sitting around me that they have they remember things that they haven't thought of in years and it's just because it's like the space that i'm holding right. It's the work that i've done. That will bring those memories forward to that. We can actually remember them salem. And you don't have to actually remember them to you. Know to heal them but Yeah it's one of those things. That's it's a beautiful thing where it's like. Oh my god i. I haven't thought about that but that has a lot of can have a lot of meat to it right like you know. I was just example. This has happened to so many of my clients where you know they'll be waiting for you. Know the parents will get divorced. And they'll be waiting for their parents on the sidewalk or something right in the parent never shows and that's something. I think it's just happened to a lot of a lot of people right because it's like again that consistency that we have in our childhoods But you know then. There's so much meat in juice in that moment and then what we do is we competed at back. Although conscious beliefs in stores you made up that are now creating what's happening in your current day moment in your life get by. This person you know isn't showing up for or is available to me and it's like it's rooted in when you again back when we're aged seven on the sidewalk right with your dad. You know it's like an so really be able to unpack that and letting it go because we're holding onto it for it to be acknowledged aaron holding onto the because we actually want to live our lives that way or make someone wrong even though sometimes can feel like that we're holding onto it just for it to be acknowledged yes. Yeah well i know and again. I love what you talked about about how you don't really. It's not really have to remember exact details of things but that once you start to to allow those feelings memories whatever to surface then you really can start to do the healing work in process because it's it's it's left on processed here in the brain and the body right and then once you start to honor it. Recognize that you're able to do the processing work so yeah yeah exactly exactly shift into yeah awesome all right so anything else that you wanted to touch upon. Obviously we could sit and talk for three hours. Yeah like cooking. The i mean no. I think we've covered so much if any of your listeners. Wanna dive deeper. I would invite them to come to my putting an end to painful relationships. Master us like i would like his class. So here's the thing you know. There's so many things that we do that our subconscious that caused painful relationships Into in this class. I talk about what a lot of those things are including the three biggest issues that do keep us like suck hurting and struggling in our relationships really repeating our relationship patterns how to start to shift that so It's it's got a lot of meat to it. I love. I love teaching. Because i just love you so many things that i did relationships you know before i got into this work and as i was going through this journey and they caused pain sucked because i just wanted to get love right you know. I wanted to be able to get love and have the love that i was meant for right my life and so. That's a huge part of what i teach in that class. Wonderful and what a beautiful gift. It is to to give that other. So yeah yeah how do how do people find you. How did they get a hold of you. Yeah yes so They can find that class at a bit lee so be. It dot l. y. Slash ending dash pain all lower case And they can had to my website which also has a class information on there at. Www dot deborah aker dot com which is just devi r. a. h. a. c. k. e. r. dot. Com awesome are wonderful. Oh my gosh. we're let's spend an absolute joy to have you here and thank you for the gift that you give others in the healing path. Yeah no thank you so much for having me. I'm so grateful to to be here to be able to share. Awesome all right. We'll everyone thank you for joining us today on the healing place podcast and remember until next time. Be gentle with yourself. thanks bye bye. Thank you so much for listening today to the he'll in place podcast with your host and trauma warrior terry walbrook if you enjoyed this episode in want to learn more about terry her mission and the hope for healing journey visit. Terry's website at www dot terry wealth brock dot com. Thank you for liking commenting sharing and offering the reviews on her youtube channel audio outlets and facebook. Page and as terry reminds us until next time. Remember be gentle with yourself more.

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NPR News: 02-09-2021 5PM ET

NPR News Now

04:40 min | 5 months ago

NPR News: 02-09-2021 5PM ET

"Live from npr news. I'm jack speer house lawmakers acting as the prosecutors in the second impeachment trial of former president donald trump kicked off the proceedings graphic video today as npr's barbara front reports of video captured moments from the right at the us capitol on january. Six video opened with footage of trump telling his supporters quote. We will stop the steel. Once again. referencing his baseless claims of election fraud. It also showed the mob at the capitol chanting. No trump no peace using american flags to break the buildings windows and police officer screaming in pain as he was attacked. The video also had trump's comments that day including his telling the insurrectionist quote. We love you. The lead impeachment manager congressman. Jamie raskin told members trump's actions constitute high crimes and misdemeanors if that's not an impeachable offense than there is no such thing. Trump's defense team argues. The trial is unconstitutional because trump is no longer in office virus sprint. Npr news washington lawyers for the former president. Meanwhile wasted little time in laying out. What will be the tenants of his defense. While former prosecutor. Bruce castor denounced the riot at the. Us capitol calling the loss of life. Horrific he said there were freedom of speech issues enjoyed by trump and all citizens if we go down the road. My very worthy adversary here. Mr raskin asks you to go down. The floodgates will open today's opening presentations by the respective sides and trump's impeachment trial on a single count of inside of insurrection are focusing on the constitutionality of the case. Now that trump is out of office. Both sides will have sixteen hours to present their arguments. Another arrests today in connection with january's six right at the capital the fbi arresting a new york resident this morning as npr's sally herships reports. The evidence came via snapchat. Greg ruben acker of long island is charged with knowingly entering a restricted building the capital without lawful authority and disrupting the orderly conduct of government. Ribbon necker was tracked down. After witnessed tipped off the fbi turning and snapchat videos that ruben occur had filmed in the videos his username. Greg brubacker is clearly posted in white letters. One video shows the crowd surrounding the washington monument with the caption. America is pissed in another. He's inside the capitol rotunda smoking. What appears to be a joint the f. b. i. says he can be heard using an expletive and then quote this is history. We took the capital so far more than two hundred suspects have been charged sally herships. Npr news yours. Employers reigned in their hiring in december especially in industries hard hit by the coronavirus pandemic labor department reporting in its monthly jobs opening and labor turnover. Survey the number of available jobs rose just slightly on wall street. The dow was down nine points. This is npr authorities say multiple. People were shot at a minnesota health clinic. Today with an individual identified is sixty seven year. Old gregory paul oryx taken into custody. According to law enforcement officials say at least five people were taken to area. Hospitals shooting happened at the health clinic in buffalo city about forty miles. Northwest in minneapolis. They say the gunman acted alone according to the associated press. Fbi spokesman kevin smith said the agency's bomb technicians were on their way to the scene. And a spokeswoman for the bureau of alcohol tobacco firearms and explosives said members of its enforcement. Group would be there as well Florida judge's ruling local school district had no responsibility to warn students and faculty at marjory stoneman. Douglas high school of the danger posed by former student would later confessed to a two thousand eighteen shooting. The killed seventeen people member station w. l. r. n. katie's tulsky muna's has more. The ruling comes as a blow to parents of the victims. They have been suing the broward county public school district and other officials for years for failure to prevent the shooting that took their children's lives while they were in class at the park parkland florida school. The confessed shooter is a former stoneman. Douglas student who was expelled for disciplinary issues. He faces seventeen charges of first degree murder and seventeen more attempted first degree murder. Judge patti england or haning ruled that the district had no control over the shooter. This weekend marks three years since the shooting for npr news. I'm katie for tulsky munoz. In fort lauderdale kudo futures prices moved higher today. Oil ended session up. Thirty nine cents a barrel to settle at fifty eight thirty six a barrel in new york. I'm jack speer npr news.

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Speak With No Fear: Speaker & Author Mike Acker

Slick Talk: The Hospitality Podcast

30:20 min | 1 year ago

Speak With No Fear: Speaker & Author Mike Acker

"Hey everybody this. PODCAST is sponsored by open road hospitality. Open road hospitality is a team of hotel and hospitality Taliban that are anywhere from maintenance to housekeeping from housekeeping to front desk. We come in and we'll train your team to enhance your team and Guests experience at your property. If you WANNA check us out more on other services we provide go to open road hospitality dot com and find out everything from there or just reach out to was on the website. We look forward to hearing from you in Perry very soon. Everybody thank you so much for tuning back into slick talk hospitality. PODCASTS for this episode I actually had the pleasure of bringing on an old childhood friend of mine. We've known each other for over ten years. He's been a great leader mentor in my life from early on when I was a troublemaker. To where I am today with the podcast being full-time and doing my business open road hospitality fulltime as as well and this episode. We discussed his book called. Speak with no fear and what that means in the tools tips and tricks. He learned in his career from preaching to speaking in front of hundreds to then tens of thousands of people and what that looks like. And what tools you can use in order to start your own podcast to apply to your career as a hospitality professional or just becoming a speaker and doing what you do what you love so go ahead and check out all all the information in this episode. Get a hold of Mike's book speak with no fear and I hope you really enjoy this episode. Welcome to slick talk the hospitality podcast. Were we discussed all things hospitality hotels and business. You can find US online at slick. Talk the PODCAST DOT COM and not every podcast listening platform. Thanks so much for having me will looking forward to diving in to some content and providing so great content for your audience and it's just fun to connect once again review. Yes there are some the audience members listening. Mike Ashley was my pastor and youth pastor when I was growing up in an early early ages of high high school which may not seem that long ago. But it's almost ten years ago and over ten years ago over ten years and over ten years. It's amazing I'm still twenty so it's I don't I don't know how how that happened Crazy I must be aging pretty quick man so yeah it's been great to have this conversation. Mike and I have been talking. Obviously Prior Juba show into the episode. But really he's just been an awesome guy in my life and he's done a lot of cool things so Michael Who's GonNa dive into origin and your history and then kind of You know Phase into a book and kind of. What inspired you to wrote it? A right at sorry mom always. We'll stuff in your life. Yes great so really going back to this. I grew up in Mexico and was really that the proverbial fish out of water did not fit fit in anywhere and so that that built up some nervousness anxiety mile in life when getting up on stage however as will said I ended up being a pastor so through a series event in college where I ended up being a college debater getting trained in having someone who believe in me I ended up getting to the spot where I could stand in front of people feeling confident if it not because I was naturally confident but because I trained for confidence and so that led to this fascinating time being a pastor of wills pastor small town that church grow up I ended up being a pass for another church equity five locations when California ended up being one of the preaching team members I to regular listeners of over ten thousand people in an auditorium of three thousand people so had this incredible experience of being on stage it from people ten groups ten people in a group back in the day and then that grew and then ultimately to new audiences of ten thousand people so a move past beyond pastoring ended up going into some sales and some executive coaching and Business Coaching but along Holdaway started coaching a lot of people who are communicators sometimes these pastors other times they were just executive. CEO's or doctors who had presentations to give a lot of it professionals and over and over again people came up with this dilemma. I just get so nervous when I get up in front of people. Over of course time working with people I compile the seven strategies to help them overcome and then came the day where one of my clients who is an author suggested suggested that I write a book. So what should I write about. I chose to speak to write on the topic speaking with no fear and that is where we are today today. Ruled that last. May It's out bestseller on Amazon Scott over one hundred thirty reviews that are positive while hundred twenty reviews that positive tip in a new book called right to speak which is ultimately about how to write content for meetings that are gonNA lead or presentations and when will and I were talking about this. Because he picked up the book and I was a big encourage around that we said you know the reality is that there are some very interesting interesting links between us catalyse and speaking some of the strategies here speak with no fear are really relevant to leading with no fear and and really relevant to being the best guest or host you could possibly be and so we chose a couple of strategies to bring here today and I'll touch on on some of the other ones that will really highlight a couple of strategies that will be relevant to you as a leader to you as a hospitality professional to you as someone wouldn't make a difference in the lives of others. Yeah I have to say from the moment I got the book which was maybe our say almost month ago I've actually I've I can't really say I get it. I get nervous whenever I record an episode like like you and I have done you know a lot of them and I've been doing it for a while. Now is still young. You are not in front of a crowd but I've been able hugh take some of these tools tips tricks chapters. Whatever you WANNA call them Actually apply to my podcast life as well as kind of be hotel hospital tally professional. I am and use it as an advantage for kind of on how I interact with my team our interact with my clients and of course my audience out can the podcast world. So I think the number one or the first one we're GONNA talk about is is is not about you right right. It's not about you as a when people get up on stage. What often happens happens? Is the instantly start wondering what are people thinking about me. Think about last time you were leading a team or you're doing a presentation maybe you're an interview. You and the constant question is what they think about me. What did they think about? What do they think about me or even thinking about back in the middle school days right? Nick Walk into a room as the middle school or high school. Or you're thinking what is everybody thinking about me as I used to speak a lot to you and I did a lot of camps and conferences art scripture you I was setting and and look at will was one of the people in these groups and I would say stuff like. Don't worry about what people are thinking about you. Because they're too worried thinking about what. What is everybody thinking about them and the reality is that has come true for for public speaking if you will turn around and think it this is not about me? This is really about the people I'm there to serve. This is about. This is about my audience if you get up on stage and you're thinking what are people thinking about me. You're going to go overdrive just trying to get people's attention in wanting them to like you but if you start thinking what can I do value to my audience. What kind do to help people? What would I do? That will be educational or entertaining or whatever the purpose of your time is. How can I do this for them? Dinners shift that happens as a mental shift that turns into physical shift. Because now it's not something that your just trying to get done. It's it's something that really you're trying to get done for them. I think about it. There's never one time that you go to listen to somebody. That's that's all about that person it's never about the speaker and sometimes I when I say that people go. Yeah sure there's you know. Sometimes I WANNA go. Listen to my favorite politician. Why do you want to listen to the politician because of what they can do for you? Okay why do you want to go into the entertainer. Because you WANNA be entertained by them. Why do you listen to a podcast because because you hope this podcast helps you in fact why do you go listen to a friend or a family member? Who's giving a speech because you you want to be proud of them so ultimately even then when you're there to support someone else even then it's about you so as a as an audience zebra so either as a speaker you wouldn't turn around thinking okay? I'm on stage. I have a chance to inform or educate or entertain or sale. But it's not about me. It's about them as a salesperson. Personally I've a commitment never sell something that I don't think they need or want because I want to be about them as a speaker. I never wanted to say something. That's egocentric or about me. It's gotta be about them now. Let's take the same principle all that shifted over to the hospitality industry. It's not about you. It's about your guest if you have a view of rental that you went out to People throughout the years. It's not about you K- sure. Of course he wants some income from this right of course In that sense for you but if it's all about what you can get for you you did. There's lots of ways for you to cut corners and not provide the best for them so that you can get more out of it but ultimately that's GonNa come back to haunt you you light make money in the short term but what are you really doing on the other end so I would encourage you turn it around. Just like speaker. Should turn it around and say what can't afford them. I was listening recently to a speaker. And we'll like ask this guy got up and it was all about him and he was bragging telling stories. Any no there's awesome entertainment to it wasn't the worst thing ever. But he was mocked afterwards. What will people do towards towards you say about you when they've already experienced what you have to offer? Will they mock you and say how man that place right there that that person right there or will they say Han that person that they provided home or a service or whatever it might be provided something and had so much value there might not initially be more money in that the long term. There is because when you refresh others you will find yourself refreshed fresh so the first strategy that I tell people about another I but one of the strategies they tell people about and it's really relevant here is it's not about you. Oh Yeah and I. I couldn't agree more. I think you know from when I first started in the hotel side of things whenever I was working the front desk I love using the front desk as an example. Just because I think that his the hub of the property and the guests go there to do everything almost so with that It really are on stage and I like to use that metaphor. Because you're you're giving up performance you are showing your best self as well as has if you are being selfish with that interaction and focusing on how you the front desk agent or whoever can can benefit is not going to be the best interaction. I've noticed that when I'm taking care of the guests or them for what value can I bring for their stay there. Experience experience their time and money that they're choosing spend with us than that's what I've seen the value go over you know overflow in many aspects you know they wanna come back they want to you know shout out raving reviews on all social media and review platforms and and then also they they they form a bond and a lot of ways. I think that's what's beautiful about hospitality. Is that like you. I Mike. We've we've connected from a very long time early stage of my life and then you know we've kept that connection because in the same sense you take the action of whether can I bring to this person. Not what can they bring me. And so I think as a great overall aspects for you know for young hospitality professionals especially in the front desk and the guest service area Really keeping the focus of than the guest team lead the property as a whole because then everything else in the end it will come back in an it'll be a fruitful many aspects absolutely absolutely. It's it's incredible. What happens when you put yourself in the mind being a giver and there's a classic same that I've always had which is if you keep your hand tight-fisted around what you have then sure nothing will escape but nothing will come back in either versus if you hold your hands open? He said I'm going to be a giver. I'm going to be serving my audience. I'm going to be serving the people that are my customers customers my clients and you if you live your life with an open hand and what happens is you might drop some things out and something's might be taken from your hand your hands Aweso ready to receive and so as as a speaker has hospitality leader as leader any sorts. We ought to live our lives in such a way that we're thinking about the other person and not about us. It's not about you. What's the best selling books across America? In last two decades started ended up with simple line. It's not about you and I remember reading that thinking I need to learn how to live. That way agree more and and I think another good point in your book. Was You be you that chapter itself ties into not only displaying your bestseller Use the analogy of stage You know putting your best self forward but you actually just being genuine just being transparently being over analyzing it and just you know knowing your weaknesses and your strengths. And how how they are right. Yeah you'd view is is a huge part of of being a speaker for a soul. Go there where we need to learn our uniqueness and live it out and so the what makes you you while. It's all kinds of different attributes right. It's not just one single thing but one of the things is really incredible is when you look at Comedians. Those comedians have learned to embrace their Eunice. They've learned to embrace their person. They learn to embrace their uniqueness as that make them. There really. Aren't many comedians. Try to be like someone else or it's actually part of their schick. So you have Jim. Carey's physical comedy in with us all his body parts Malinke Demetri me too Martin and he would use these random musical skills and ellen degeneres your personal experiences and goes on and on and on of all these different comedians. Make a list of some of these guys in my book but what's unique to each one of them is at or what common to all is that they're each being unique in each being themselves and that really helps them get across their message often. What I see people doing speaking is start thinking they have to be like someone else and the moment we get up on stage we have dealer channel that inner mentor? That used to be there and we always used to watch him. Speak in fact as A pastor for many years I would see different people who would follow my footsteps and try to copy some of the ways that I would communicate which makes sense you around for a long time. You'll start doing things like that person and so I saw people do that. And that's okay at the beginning but ultimately you need to branch out and find your own uniqueness your own special ways subduing things because if you're trying to be like me or I'm trying to be like someone else or you're trying to be like a boss or you're trying to be like your your previous manager in year trying trying to channel your energy to become like that person than what happens you miss out and they miss out on you you also make it more difficult because you carry two weights anytime you get up in front of people in the lead. Are you teach you carry the weight of content and to carry the weight of Person Hood so Europe in front of people and those are the two weights that way you down was important to know is. It's kind of like a front lateral raises when you're doing exercise your ten pound weight in in your hands and you hold him far apart for out in front of you. After a little while it gets quite heavy in your arms are shaking starts burning. You put both of them out there. Both hands are shaking. Now you take the same weights this ten ton weights you. pull them deep into the chest and guess what habits. No big deal was just to ten. dumbbells I can do that but the further you get away from her body. The further away from you that that weight is the hardest going to beat through you to hold it up likewise for you communicating leading or being in front of people the further away from you that you hold your persona the harder. It's going to be more stressful to can be the more nervous it's GonNa be but if you can hold that weight up speaking in front of people and having people look at you in having people's eyes and attention on they they can hold it close because you are being you then. Guess what if a lot less nervous at a lot of people get nervous because they feel like they have to be or body or personifies. Somebody else and I wanted to tell you. Don't you be you so listen to talk. Listen into whatever place that you need to read. Those books learned from some mentors in some coaches wheels. Great Resource for you on that. And then take from these Metros in these leaders in this industry insight and then apply it to your contact through your person hood so take that principle cepal and don't just clone it but be inspired by so that you can be that person where you need to be you be you now will. This is happened around the time that you and I met. I was just really leaning into my eunice and I just become to the lead. Pastor is still being the the the youth pastor as well and right before you guys started joining. I had just gone through this season where I was trying to copy all bunch of preachers and so every single week it was actually a body in someone else and everything week. I can sleep on on Saturday nights because I wasn't being myself but once I learned into me it was better for for the audience. You and it was better for me because then I got to peace with myself and you know it was a perfect. No but part of you being you also accepting who you are yeah. I couldn't agree more in kind of a to relate for over the audience for a lot of listeners. That have you in your lesson. Too early on by show is a lot different than it is now or than it was back then because I think you know getting into the podcast world world. I'm going to be a hundred percent. Honest with everybody is that I had no idea. What the Hell I was doing to be honest? I just created something. That would be fun exciting and I was trying to copy other podcasts. Or trying to you know. Look in the mind of how far better than this podcast or whatever and then you know there's a couple of breaks in between from episodes and content and other stuff but kind of just what you said. Mike is the moment I embrace myself self and you know who I am as a hospitality professional in industry leader. I really it became natural unless I guess. Ask I G- I guess just became slick talking became one of this today and so this aspect after reading the book it definitely Click Click of okay now know exactly like the the weight scenario that you were explaining really just makes sense. An is applicable right right in in. Uh there's one more a strategy that I think is really applicable but on that. I think it's really cool to see a you become more of who you are in your setting. So it's really. I applaud you for that. You're modeling that for others. And for a lot of people they try to be someone else. They're not comfortable so what I do this presentation I often talk about really the three aspects three actions and you should take towards yourself one. You should appreciate yourself and the reality is we should should take some things about her life. Disco appreciate that. I'm good at that and it's a good type. HYPOC pride after you appreciate. You accept their thinks that you don't really appreciate excited but but you know what you say this. We haven't seen each other for a little while we'll but my hair slowly slowly fading away and there's nothing much I can do about it and so I just need to accept that's what's going to be an and then the third one is improved. There are some things I can do to improve that. Look man if I'm GonNa go bald under the rocket so I'm getting ready for that and and those are the three ways that we can look at our life. We can appreciate it if you got great here. They appreciate if if you're balding Accept it happening and improve it. What can you do to make things a little bit better for yourself if your leadership that now supply the leadership leadership? There are some things that you're really great at appreciate it. There's some things that you're not great at. Maybe you're not naturally good at just striking compensation. Okay accepted that part part of who you are while also improving it so improving is x. dear aspect accepting as things that you really can't change. Sometimes sometimes people accept what they should prove and they try to improve things that they need to accept. Have you ever seen someone. Try to keep their hair for way too long. They're trying to improve their hairstyle. which would they really need to do is just accept that had gone bald and get rid of it on the flip side often? What we need to do is improve improve that which needs to be improved except that which instead of conversing them as a for you as you're thinking about this as you're looking at your scenario what what is it that you can approve? What is it that you need to accept? What is it that you need appreciate ultimately? How can you be you hundred percent and I think it also really ties into to another chapter in your book on just being in the moment on Lila Times while using example from previous episode assode out drew glover? Who is the CO founder of welcome which is a welcome boxer? They do like services for like an amenity box. Walks with snacks in soaps shampoos toothbrushes all these cool stuff. It's just a nice little thing for For guests to use an example but they really the emphasis the core mission of them is enhancing moments. And there's so many moments that we have in our life a lot of Muendane simple day-to-day tasks moments. That's but there's an opportunity. I love that about the hospitality side of things in the industry. As a whole as we can take these simple moments this weekend be in them and enhance them ten times over just because we take the time to care and be in them and appreciate what. So you're saying except that these may be simple moments in our life. They may be really exciting. Moments in our life I recently you know. Let Fly fulltime job to do the podcast and my business full time so with that young is being moment embracing into full extent and and I loved the bug. You know when we're talking about speaking with no fear. I think that really the moment you do all the things that we just Kinda talk about and then in and finish it off with the Cherry on the cake being just in the moment as a whole that's beautiful and creative and just overall amazing right yet. I WanNa go through one more. This is a great strategy as well for for everybody to embrace. It's this do due for one. What you wish you could do all in the book? I called a little bit different. Speak to one in the book. I'm talking about Speaker's speakers and I paint a picture of a time where I was speaking to over three thousand people in one room and you can't speak to everyone but you can speak to one the unique. Speak to all as if you're speaking to one so we really wanted. My strategies in overcoming nervousness is get to know a few people because then it de mystified. The crowd turns turns into individuals that I'm communicating with. Who can I talk to directly? Who Can I talk to personally? Who Can I get to know and then really take that person extrapolate that relationship to everyone likewise for leadership due for one? What you wish you could do fall if you have a thousand customers you camp can't personally interact with every single one? You can't no names of every single person want one but you can do if you see some people say well. Since I can't do it for everyone I'm not GonNa do forever for anyone wrong mentality due for one what you wish you could do for all. And here's what happens. Your heart changes. You become the the type of person that really wants to serve and help that person and now they're not products but the people that you really helping out so if you learn to do for one on what you wish you could do for everyone then people actually pick up on their attitude. You might not know their name. You might not know all the details about them like he do someone else but they'll see that you would you would if you could do for one which which took for all or if you're onstage. Speak to one. As though he were speaking speaking to all or speak to all the speaking to one I can agree. Martin and for the hospitality leaders and just Industry people as a whole. I think this is huge. Because then your team your front desk came or your server team or your busboy team or whatever whatever team you have we'll see this as incredible the after effect in the I guess my favorite thing it's the ripple effect you skip a stone on a lake expense flattening calm and you see the ripple effect of when that rock hits the water leading by example that way so credible and you'd be amazed may is what it does with the guest experience so I I loved that electric. Yeah absolutely absolutely was really relevant Alabama ones that I think would be really great for for the people that are listening right here and I would love for people to pick up a book and just really see that it is a way that they can apply and listen to their own life. It's not just about speaking of a lot of people pick it up so the book speak with no fear. I'm Mike acker and then I wrote a new book coming up with any meeting that you have to lead. You're getting ready for an interview. You already getting ready for podcasts. You're getting ready to communicate in front of people title. The second book is called right to speak registered People find you online Mike. Aker Dot com in fact if you just type type in Mike Aker that's a C. E. R.. I will be the first page of Google search results and then several more pages after five years. Well I do coaching for communications. Some other types of coaching would love to provide that for anybody who just says. Hey on my game communication for any listeners. I Mike has helped me in many aspects with a couple of podcasts that recently were published in so definitely recommended also all the links surged book to Mike Sites and to everything that can into this episode. You can follow it from whatever platform you're on and then also on my website as well. Yeah that's awesome here the the time that you took and We're being on the show for anyone listening. Thank you for tuning in. This has been a fun episode so for us to catch up in also speak about re passion passionate about and the I appreciate it. Thank you so much well and for everybody. Everybody who's listening. Here's my last thoughts right. Fear is going to hit in no matter what area but there's classic quote by Mark Twain. Courage is not the absence of fear but it's merely standing up to it. I love the perfect. Thank you so much thank you. We'll talk to you sir. Thank you so much for listening. We love your support and want to provide the best we can and all our listeners. So please find US online social media and on spotify apple podcast and Google podcast.

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Indie Hackers (3 Years Later) with Courtland Allen

Software Engineering Daily

1:13:48 hr | 1 year ago

Indie Hackers (3 Years Later) with Courtland Allen

"Indy hackers is a platform for independent software businesses to discuss strategy and find inspiration. CORTLANDT Allen founded indie hackers with the goal of sharing the stories of these businesses and the company has become a thriving community of entrepreneurs and engineers and creators business business is a creative medium and the definition of a successful business is subjective as the rules for what makes us successful work of art a business owner it can be miserable running a company that generates millions of dollars a year and a new entrepreneur can feel ecstatic from making their first five dollar sale. India hackers is a platform that is impossible to define in relation to things that you've seen before. It's a media company with a podcast that most software engineering daily L. E. Listeners would probably enjoy and it's a social platform for learning how modern software companies are built. It's a place where makers post their own progress on their creative creative projects. I've posted mine on Indie hackers and it's a pretty cool magazine of businesses and things that are thriving Kirtland was on the show three years ago to discuss the indy hackers movement in its nascent stages and he returned to the show to discuss the thriving platform is exists today and we had a great wide ranging conversation about software game theory and podcasting. We are hiring a head of growth for software engineering daily. If you like software engineering daily and you consider yourself competent in sales marketing and strategy send me an email jeff at software engineering during daily. 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That's tailored to meet specific customer needs and do all that with logi analytics Loggia analytics dot com slash data science to find out more and thank you to Loggia analytics the coralline welcome back to the show. Thanks for having me Jeff. Our first show was three years ago. Oh believe it or not. That's crazy. How things changed since then well. When we first recorded I didn't have a podcast and I think as a direct result of coming on this show talking to you about podcasting after recording we just talked about podcasting for a long time and people have been suggesting that I started podcast hackers because at that point in time it was just a website. It's it's basically a glorified block. People like hey like the interviews are doing online but like. Can you just do a podcast so I can listen to my weight at work or in the kitchen. I'm like no that sounds like a ton of work. I would never do it and you push me over the edge and convince me that yes it is a ton of work but it's super rewarding and it's kind of the future of content so why wouldn't I have a podcast so I think that was what like November of two thousand sixteen maybe even not. Tober and I launched my podcast with three episodes and February of next year. It doesn't seventeen so the podcast is two and a half years old now. It's getting crazy number of downloads. It's by far bigger than the website that sort of helped bootstrap the podcast in the first place so that's one major difference what else different and he hackers is now owned by Stripe so when I first came on your show and the actress was a small bootstrapped one person business and I was making I don't know a a couple of grand a month in advertising revenue and trying to figure it out and in April of the following year I got an email from Patrick Collison the CEO Stripe who asked if he could acquire Andy Hackers so we met over Brunch and talked about it and run some numbers and the next day. I said yes and a month later. I was part of the team at Stripe full-time working alongside my brother so I've been at striped now for almost two and a half years far longer than I had run in the Akers on my own was only like nine months from founding acquisition so this is probably the two biggest differences now the situation that you're in you're taking what started as a media product and turning it into a larger platform and I've tried to do the same thing a little bit with software daily Software Engineering daily. Our daily spin quite hard hard at this point. I don't really know if I'm straight up media company. I don't know if I'm like aiming for a media company. That's supplemented minted by technology. Can you give me some advice on how to go from a media company to a platform. I can't give you general purpose advice but I can tell you what I did and maybe try to reverse engineer like extract some lessons at the benefit of hindsight but it's really hard to say if those lessons would work for you for me. Any accuracy is very much still in media business. I mean we still stole produce a ton of content. We still have the podcast obviously and that's all media but at the same time we've got this platform community type thing going on that was part of the division from the very beginning and that is content. It's just user generated content. It's a bunch of people on the Community Forum asking other questions and sharing tips with each other and helping each other out how and if I were to get hit by a bus tomorrow people would still be there talking to each other so I think that's the core of any sort of community is people who were empowered and able to help each other out and I think at the end of the day there are certain things that people are willing to do that with and there's certain things that they're not for what I'm working on and the hackers all about people starting Internet businesses. It's all about people all helping each other overcome these challenges. There's an almost inexhaustible number of conversations and content that you generate and talk about in that field people constantly feel lonely. They constantly feel frustrated. They constantly need help. They're there for the long term. They build up a profile they invest. They want to share what they're doing and ask for help when they learned it off. They want to flip the script and help others who were below them and so in some ways it's I don't WanNa say it's easy but it's easier than many other fields. I've seen people try to start communities because let's let's take software. Engineering for example can build community around software engineering of course. There's lots of people bill communities around software engineering but the conversations going to be different so stack overflow for example you. You could call that a community. It's certainly a community but the probably the default way using stack overflow is to sort of ask a drive by question. Hey I've got this issue. You need it resolved. Let me ask questions. I've exhausted every other resource on the Internet. If you get a response great you go away for another year until you have another question and you can't find the answer on your up not really an invested member of the community there are some people who are like Super Stack overflow users tons of questions and they're really bought into the game -cation really like helping but that's not I would say the majority use case of the site so I think it really depends on what market you're in problem. You're selling want what you want. The community to be based around just like the essence of a normal average conversation conversation sort of dictates how easy it is to build a community and how easy is it to get. It started. Andy hackers like follow the playbook. I created a uh-huh yeah. I made a bunch of fake threads. I made a bunch of fake accounts. I talked to myself a lot then I would send this conversation's out over email every now and then I would trap a real person into a conversation with like three of me and after enough time. There are two people talking to a bunch of people talking to a bunch of me. I think every community looks somewhat like this to begin with. It's like the creator of the community doing something that doesn't scale something. That's a ridiculous amount of work. That's not sustainable just to recruit people and keep them engaged and make it a great experience for them and then eventually at some point flip scripts. The script flips and everybody's sort of sustaining themselves but it takes a long time to get there one of the actors community. I still put in a significant amount of effort for to make sure the community is a great place community manager and you in my opinion should never really stopped doing that. It just becomes easier over time. Probably the last tip that I would give is i. I think you want to start small with any sort of community you basically want to shrink both time and space and such a way that your community feels active and lively because any sort of community is just space around social connections and if people feel that the social connections not Erin inside active they're going to immediately assess communities valuable and they're not gonNA come back so I will post on stack overflow because I feel like it's active and I'm going to get a response. I don't think I'M GONNA get a response. Why would I be part of that community. I'll show up to a running group on Saturdays because I feel like other people were going to show up and and if it was just me by myself or not enough people for me to make friends then why would I show up to that running. Group postage is running by myself so you want to restrict the size of your communities space now. We'll be something like if you're gonNA have a party very small room. If only ten people are gonNA come don't have a party and like an auditorium if you're GONNA only invite ten people because it's GonNa feel dead right right. We had a party here like feel great ten or fifteen people so that's kind of the temporal component Surrey spatial component of shrinking it online with that looks like is I don't know instead of certain certain like a gigantic forum with like ten different sections on your discourse forum just have one section of the discourse former. There's not that much room for people to post an all sorts of different places otherwise every place is is gonNA debt right. Just start with something small. Let that get to the point where it feels crowded than overflow into like a second category page or something then there's a temporal component which is sort of restricting the time at which your community the exists one difficult thing doing that online as people tend to start forums and chat rooms. These things are always online they always exist and so you're really like greatly early multiplying the amount of effort and energy that needs to go in to make making that community not feel dead whereas offline communities usually are very temporarily restricted. We we have a meeting time and place. We're going to meet on the third Saturday. We're going to have poker on Wednesday. Night at six doesn't matter if no one's playing poker any other time right if they're all there Wednesday at six a feels like a lively thing and so I've seen community start online where people were like okay instead of starting an online forum or message board or something we're going to do is we're. GonNa pose one question. Every every Friday and you know everyone in the community is GonNa come answer this question and discuss it and then the community doesn't exist outside of that and so everyone sort of thinks communities thriving even though it only has like fifteen or twenty people people because it feels like it's thriving because it's been temporarily and spatially restricted so I think that's the best hack to sort of get community off the ground from there you just like slowly to grow and putting lots of effort to get it to be bigger so one of the themes of your podcast and building online business in general general is when do you delegate and how do you delegate and I've had some conversations with you over the years about as you are taking this media thing slash platform thing and you really enjoy doing it by yourself and you've got some traction by yourself you start to identify. Maybe I should be outsourcing this thing. Maybe I should be delegating this thing. Maybe I should be working with somebody else on this thing and half the time it feels like that could be great but the other half of the time you're like then I would have to spend so much time managing this person I have less time for mobile chess chess and you know less time for reading random books and you know part of the value of the indie hacker idea. Is You have Total Independence like bad employee. Is You have SAS products in for many of the companies that you talked to. Have you found that delegating saves you time or you end up spending ending more time on things like management issues or what's the trade off there so I went into this whole. Andy acker business very much on the side of I wanna work alone. I had it almost always worked alone basically in my room as a freelance web developer on my on my own startups. I didn't like the idea of having to manage people. It sounded like a swamp law that you could easily get stuck in and lots of pleasant things could happen and it might not necessarily make more efficient. I didn't like the idea of this business that created it on my own suddenly feeling like a real job because the responsibility of someone else's paycheck and someone else coming to work if I want to not work for a week. How can I tell my employees not to work for a week or that. I'M GONNA disappear for week but they have to keep going. It just felt like there are lots of downsides doing this. I have since changed my position on this. I think that I have a lot of basically fears that weren't founded in any real experience. It was fear of the unknown never done this before and therefore I assumed a lot of bad things that aren't necessarily true and talking to so many different founders. I've heard so many different perspectives lives on experiences that people have with hiring was talking to a friend who said she will never higher again because she hired two people and they're both terrible hires. They did exactly what you said. They drained for energy in her time. She spent so much time managing them and trying to help them and they were messing things up and she moved marginally bastard in some ways but so much slower in other ways and she's just done. I've made bad the Harry's myself but I've also made some really amazing hires who were like a godsend who like for example our community manager with the Akers Razzie Sherry she i. I basically don't tell her anything. She does her thing she just knows what to do. So the forum will be much better. There'd be all sorts of connections being made. She's reaching out to people getting participate thread cleaning up spam. She's like taking hold of our twitter account in the last month because it seems like a fun project for her and she's like grown on twitter impressions by three Ex Wchs. She's like putting together a Web. He just doing all sorts of crazy stuff that like I don't necessarily have to oversee and I can just trust. She does a good job because she does. She's proactive. I feel like it's a hired like another. One of me cloned myself and of course that's another one of me to do good things because it's none of me but she's another one of me who also brings a different perspective. It is so she's doing good things at another one that we would never do so. I'm now bought into this whole. Silicon Valley mindset like hire the best people higher higher well at heard that for so many years I was like yeah of course you WanNa hire well but like the difference between hiring someone who's amazing and hiring someone who just sort of average is going to need a lot of management and a lot of hand holding is staggering. I mean you could uneasily double or triple effectiveness by airing one great person you've tried a lot of different things within India hackers platform and look at any hackers I think about Cora because chorus tr- has tried a lot of different things in a a singular platform and the things that don't work they rebranded they throw it to the side of the phase it out or whatever they're pretty good trying stuff and then phasing it out. I guess facebook. The book is kind of like this to kind of a one person development team. They're certainly a smaller development team. Though what's your philosophy around experimentation station do a lot of experimentation and the I'm a one person developer team but I'm going to be hiring soon. I'm very excited about that. It's pretty hard to build a social network by yourself and then experiment at the end of the day especially if you're building some sort of consumer APP something at social. There's all sorts of second order effects unintended consequences from the things that you do that you can't predict and so even things that you don't intend to be experiments end up being serious because they don't work out right there have been plenty of time for example earlier this year. I tried to sort of rescan and the actors and make it work with more twitter like mechanics so instead of being forum like where these these discussions you have to click into more of like a feed and you can sort of just scroll and read things and people did not like it and accomplish everything my checklist like had people making more posts and those posts were getting more responses but in there all these like weird second order effects intend where it's like instead of one post on the forum getting like one hundred responses and everybody who comes to the website seeing that at the top and saying oh the sites lively and active look this one hundred responses well now their sponsors are spread across different posts and so like every post has like seven responses. I'm like Oh. That's exactly what I want now. Everybody's getting responses where people would come to the site or like Oh. This place feels pretty free data marketing com rights and the traffic drops. Oh I had no idea that would happen so that's an experiment tried it out. I need to revert it. Sometimes you don't even know why an experiment failed and there are some things that I've built that it just built out of order so one of the first things that I dealt after joining strike. Was this giant directory of products so you could basically say hey. I'm Jeff. I'm working on software engineering daily. Okay let me create a page from my product and the cool time line than a design rican like basically posts updates to your timeline as like this'll be so cool. People had this and it is cool. People do have it and I think it is great but at the time I had no way to connect that to the rest of the site just like a Product Design Faux Pas on my part or people didn't really want to use the directory and browse products and read these updates and I just kind of let it languish for like a year and a half working on other things and then finally maybe four or five months ago found a good way to connect it back to the rest of the website and now it's the fastest go to the website. It's doing really well posting all sorts of updates to their timelines and people are commenting and liking on it. That's milestones the milestones. I've used it exactly people see it was my I can see your staff and if you go back and the older products like some people post ten things act. It works really well. I've got better I think as a product designer overtime at understanding standing like what people want and how they behave but it's definitely been a lot of trial and error to get there which is why didn't that product work initially so if you think about the way that maybe the best way to explain it is by explaining what does work so the milestones feature on any hackers is kind of a leaderboard that says the top of the forum. It's almost pot resets every day and anyone who has a product page. Age Can post a milestone which is sort of an achievement. They've made to their timeline exactly so you might say hey. I just got just reached the million download mark or I just got my the sign up or something are just made my first dollar from paying customer and people love reading the milestones leaderboard and saying Oh. This is a really cool accomplishment. Let me tell this person congratulations or I would ask how they did eggs. I also want to land a sponsor. Whatever the most without any traffic you didn't have incentive for people to post their milestones because there's no automatic distribution. I didn't have the readers yes and so I had people posting they post milestones. There just wasn't like a milestone leaderboard where people could go to read this. He wouldn't have a good way to browse. You'd have to if you wanted to read what somebody was posting to their product page. Go to the product directory search for some product that you like you might say oh. I WANNA find somebody. WHO's working on something in ecommerce making ten thousand thousand dollars a month then it would filter click that you'd have to read their individual updates so most people's updates weren't getting any likes or comments because very few people were doing this now. It doesn't matter who you are. Are All of updates get pipe to a single feed. That feed is visible on the homepage. Everybody bits hackers. We'll see it and now you're posted some degree visibility so I think that was sort sort of a pond my part and I had some good ideas but this is a couple years ago and I think it took me. You know a lot of trial and error and other experiments for really understood how did take these ideas and wrapped them. In a package at the actual user base would like so. There's a lot of stuff that went into that for example. The leaderboard mechanic is really important. That's one of the biggest things I learned from. My attempted redesigning the website to look like twitter. People actually don't want you to have a website. That's very egalitarian. They don't want all the likes and comments almonds to be spread out evenly overall different content. If your stack overflow to go back to that example or maybe even cora that's fine because most of traffic is coming from search. People are sort of doing this job. Searches they see an answer they leave but if you're more of a dedicated community where regulars hang out all the time and at the end of the day the best post need to get the most attention the best milestones milestones to get the most attention and like the really low quality posts even though it feels bad to me as a creator see them not get responses like you probably don't want anyone to really see this and so it's better to sort of have leaderboard format of the best post sort of rice the top stick their like you see on read it or hacker news than it is to sort of spread out for love and so you know. I'm constantly wrangling with this problem of I will thousands of people are posting milestones but not thousands of people can get responses because I don't have time or the space. Excuse me to show all those milestones on the homepage. How can I do that. Effectively like at the leaderboard mechanic is just show the best ones and have everybody sort of compete to get to the top and don't feel so bad that not everybody wins because everybody's sort of there's a whole bunch of psychology that goes into why it works and why people are okay with it but generally speaking people in any social setting will tend to copy what they see working. If you live in like a tribe or something can you see. Mary is cracking open coconuts with like a rock that she's found. You're going to be like I want to crack open. Coconuts seems to work if you're on an Internet forum and you see someone getting to the top of the leaderboard because they're being helpful and they're being you know they're explaining their posts rather than just posting something and leaving then you'll say oh. I'm going to be helpful on explain what I do because that seems to be working for them and so so like the whole leaderboard mechanic has all these built advantages that are super helpful that I now understand a lot better that before and I didn't understand it all and so it's like just through experimentation and constantly tweaking of building the site. I'm learning all different stuff about product development and how to build a social APP that in the beginning I had no idea about. I was sort of just guessing checking. Today's episode is sponsored by data. 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Liam's that you as you call now and want to get into totally. I watch a lot of anime Jeff. I love anime. I love storytelling in general. I love movies. I Love Great. TV's when I'm kind of a SNOB I don't WanNa watch mediocre stuff. I don't like watching bad stuff and I find myself when I'm watching television or movies or anime just critiquing little title storytelling choices that I just think are inefficient or like not good or not as engaging as good as it could be and so parties like what right do I have to sit around critiquing stuff half of I've never written a story in my life so huge part of me is like would love to tackle the challenge of being storyteller being a writer being trained at some point my life on the flip side. I think there's a lot lot of wisdom to sticking to your area of expertise I put in so many years to learn how to code learning how to design learning how to market and sell learning how to build apps and I built up a pretty significant skill set there and it just toss it all aside and walk into some other fields and be totally green might be unwise but at the same time it that'd be pretty fun so when when you know probably not not until I'm done with the Andy acker space in my life which I don't see the ending in the foreseeable future like the flip side of all of this is that if you're GonNa have hobby. I have hobbies but my hobbies like they're soothing hobbies. I don't know how you you can be just as mentally taxing and just as much work as my full time job at the end of the day coding and building an APP is pretty taxing and being a writer honestly is not that different. It's not that much right. If you're a writer you're probably hotter over your computer all day the same way that I am so I don't want my hobby to be the same thing the hobbies that I actually have now are like cooking's or at least a good on my kitchen you mentioned playing chess on my phone so I'll go on long walks and play chess or hanging out with friends and travel going camping and a couple of weeks and the Guadalupe Mountains so those are hobbies that are different than my full time job but I think if I ever switch over to writing. That'll be a full-time thing you know. There will be nothing else. That's my main focus. The other thing to think about is that there are a ton of advantages you can accrue by sticking with one thing and sort of taking it to the next level so one of the people that I interviewed on the podcast is Chris Savage of wistaria and he's talking about and his early early days how they're coming up with the idea for their business and people would come to them and be like hey you guys are the video guys you know a lot about video help me with this problem and the reason that kept happening and kept having opportunity presents present itself to them is because they had established reputation as being the video guys because they were the best video and sort of the social circles that they ran at no one else really knew anything about video in two thousand four for compared to what they knew a lot about nd hackers and the advantages that it has there aren't really a lot of competing social networks for founders out there there certainly are any as big as Andy Hackers and when you are kind of at the top of anything it's just it's the leaderboard factor. Basically you get an outsized amount of attention almost an undeserved amount amount of attention and focus and opportunities and so I keep thinking about you know. How far can that really go like what is the craziest future that it looks like if any hackers Akers as well on every front even when I joined strike I think my vision for India hackers was I want to be in India Hacker Myself. Pay My rent. They'll give me the freedom to. I don't yeah no liberal. Wherever I want and work whenever I want like I was tried and true indie actor then joined Stripe Patrick was like how big can this be. Can you have two hundred thousand people visiting thing this every single day and I literally never thought that I didn't even cross my mind a single time and then I started crunching the numbers and strategy and realize like it's actually possible and if I think this thing is good for the world and you know it's it's hard to make the argument that I shouldn't try to bring it to more people in shouldn't try to make it bigger while also keeping it you know at the same quality or better and then I started realizing like all the different advantages that could accrue if and the hackers super big right. It's like meaningful for me. It's meaningful for the people who are part of it. The community is more helpful. Basically the bigger gets because then for example people who are more skilled at business. Come in investors. Come in people help each other out more. It's like more of a thing with a capital T. and so it's really hard to get away from that one of the snowballs rolling down the hill and getting bigger as it goes and at some point and it's like it's big enough. I'll just walk away but I don't think it's going to happen any time soon. I think it could be much bigger much better and probably the more things I build on the more things I add. In the better things get more ideas. I have for how any accuracy grow in change overtime so it's it's really hard to get away from that. Vesey advantage of being large and growing market really is I think picking the right market is is really one of those durable pieces of advice. Even if you build the wrong product in the right market that's many times better than building the right product than Ron Market. I've a whole order of operations how you should pick what you want to work on. The first thing for me is founder product fit which is becoming more disgust term of late. I think no matter what you work on a founder. You should always something that like you will enjoy working on because if you don't you're going to be up against a bunch of people who do enjoy working on that thing like if you wanna get up and and build a better in the actors in me today then they're. GonNa literally wake up every day and put in like hours and hours and hours and days and days weeks months of work happily doing it because that's what I'm doing and if you don't have that and like it doesn't matter what strategies are tricks you follow. You're not going to be doing like the very basics so I think that should be like the number. One thing you do is a founder figure out what you actually will enjoy doing day to day but then after that market if you're not in the right market if you're serving shrinking segment of people or there's too much competition or it's just it's like there's so many different variables with the market but if you're in the wrong market it's like you're just fighting an uphill battle and it's. GonNa feel like a slog every day and even if you love it pretty soon. You won't love it because it's not going to be working cowper. You do feel like some of the people you've interviewed on your show by the way I seriously listen to your show but not every episode certainly yeah what we were talking about. If you publish more episodes you're just be cannibalizing my lessons. I I think I'm hitting my my rate limit for what how much India Hackers podcast content consume put a week to week. Yeah roughly I mean sometimes it goes back catalogue. Is there some episodes of skipped but it's it's something I want to listen to on a regular basis like I definitely would need my my episodic dosage of indie hackers. It's totally distinct but I do feel like there are some people who you've interviewed it on the show who don't really care about the market that they're in but they fall in love with the just the idea of running a business and the autonomy of in the operations of it. I mean it's certainly something that surprised me about software. Engineer dailies are so many like stupid operational things and initially. I'm like this is a big inconvenience news then over time on like. Why do I like doing this. They're addicted to the operations at the operations but it's just the fact that there is this weird you'd have built and I'm kind of like I'm yeah. I'm kind of into this. In dealing with the minutia of it becomes fun. Building businesses almost like it's almost like a programming ramming project right. We're work on for long enough. There's all these different classes and modules that you build on all sorts of different little levers. You can pull in knobs. You can turn and it's like it's it's just something fun about holding all that complexity in your head and keeping this machine running anything about how the sausage is made some random element of of indie hackers. Here's that is one of those pieces of minutia that people might not expect. I'm like I'm like be opposite. I don't like the minutia any sort of craft. That's not permanently pushing the business four. I look at it as like a drag on my velocity trajectory and where things can go so for example. I'm really bad at checking my email. I'm deliberately checking the email and I feel bad when I checked my email because there are people and they haven't responded to for a week they had something that was somewhat urgent but I just don't want to spend four or five hours a week week. Checking email and I could spend one hour a week. Andy Mallon those extra four hours writing code for the site so I love writing code but I wouldn't consider writing code minutia because whenever I build a feature that the thing is there and in perpetuity forever helping people out on the website the podcast is another thing where it feels like sometimes really fun to record but at the same time it's an endless slog slog because no matter how many episodes released no matter how good and episode is by next week. It's basically chopped liver and I've got a record another episode right. Even if I do a better job recording episodes it just raises the bar and the expectations that people have and it kind of feels like a treadmill that I can never get off of so for me. I don't like the operations I'm constantly thinking about. How can I hire someone to do news operation for me. How can I get someone else to title the podcast episodes or add the show notes right the descriptions can hire somebody to check my email from me. Can I hire someone to do all the tiny finding little friction and things so I can see. The thing that I think has the most value. This is sober putting to me that you say that because I house writing code the best east of your time I mean it. It's not that's why I'm hiring a developers well okay. Are you going to become the chief design officer. CPO something is not nearly big enough where where it's not valuable for me to write code especially being like with the particular skill set that I have. I can write code faster than a lot of people that can do the design and like sort of feature mechanics and do the back end and the front end pretty quickly. There's an doesn't need to be like a meeting of like six different people to come together to do this and so it's pretty efficient for me to write code. I also know the code base since I wrote it so that's pretty efficient but like theoretically there's some point in the future. I have like six or seven developers and it's like I'm primarily better off just like designing the feature or something and then at some point you know I could hire designer product person and they could design the feature etc but I think early on and businesses life cycle. Usually the founder should be the product person and if you don't have any co-founders you can code like you probably need to be the person code. I agree with you but it software. Engineering is pretty well defined right like you could be like I mean I guess there are a lot of finer touches to India hackers. That's all says like there. Are All these little edges that you've sanded very pleasing ways. I mean a lot of it is experimental a had people animations and things people frequently request that they build a mobile APP. I've no plans to build a mobile APP anytime soon because I just think well that would basically drag my productivity into the mud because now build one thing after build it twice but most importantly the website is basically huge experiment. Is it a forum. A media company like what is it. You're always the mobile experience. Why don't you just have to react native APP basically or it's just friction right. Why don't I just like have the responsive design do the bare minimum and then I'm afraid let me was fast as I can iterating on the website so for example the feature like milestones like that was a result of me trying lots of different things and learning from those things scrapping them and eventually eventually arriving in something that seems to work really well like the milestones which is growing like crazy every week and I think that's the result of all the experimentation and if I put any processes in place that would slow down that experimentation tation. I might never have gone to this feature and maybe would have taken three years to get there if I basically had a small team of engineers and I was telling them hey build this thing and the sort of a waterfall way and they just like went and built it like how would they feel if I just scrapped their thing you know the next week. They thought it wasn't good enough or I was constantly telling them. You know mid process. Hey I've learned to this new thing saying this new principal this new idea we should completely change the plan for this feature and building in a different way so I think like Andy Hackers. The product is in such an early experimental phase phase that it helps to be the founder sort of hate the term visionary his answer like pompous but it's essentially you have to have a vision for the products. Go and it's hard. It's it's easy to to hire someone who can code. It's hard to hire someone who can like code and have the product vision that you have to understand the market you understand your users and customers in the history history of all the things you've tried etc etc so I think it'll be a while before its most efficient from outsource set job completely and you you feel it in the numbers over over time and feel it in the engagement overtime windy really step on the gas and hire a bunch of people and start amping exactly mentioned because I think any hackers has been in growing but hasn't been growing like a rocket ship. It's not like hockey stick growth right. There've been lots of things we've tried that didn't grow at all and so would something like milestones for example. That's working super well. We just introduced groups. Groups are working super well. The podcast is growing. A lot of these things are pretty mapped out and now I'm just making incremental improvements and we're polishing these things and taking them in like the obvious directions like that's when you step on the gas and you really just ramp it up but there are other things aren't working quite as well as a written content. We're constantly experimenting with right now. I'm attributing with getting rid of like like a whole separate blog to sort of rolling that content into the forums or a blog post normal sort of native forum posts like that's the whole experiment. I'm not really ready to step on the gas and hire people to make that go faster because I don't know if it's going to work and if you look at bigger companies a Lotta Times that's bigger companies experiment to they don't put the entire company any on a totally new initiative unless it's like Google or something they'll have like a kind of a skunk works team of small p. Small team can move fast experiment figure it out. Go through that sort out of that phase. We don't know how it's GonNa work because you just need to be better quickly for that. You need a pretty small team. We're talking about Games earlier and you play play lost. Starcraft starcraft right like the mets game changes over time. I think this is happening with media where I mean. The Meta game certainly changed since I started hearted software engineering daily. I think it's changing my favorite where more people are listening to podcasts but it's changing other directions like there's more content than ever more podcast podcast content than ever youtube got really really really good the so much good written content out there hacker news really become prominent. What are the the game changes that you're identifying right now. I think there are two ways to look at things and one of them is sort of a top top down approach. You're looking at these well-defined categories. Okay media companies communities and then you look at the established players. What are they doing. What's going on man and the you end up with like names for certain things at only five or ten years ago didn't have a name like a social feed is a thing right in the mechanics. Our social feed works but like fifteen in years ago. No one would have ever said that. Put those two words together social feel like what does that even mean the other approaches sort of the bottom up analyze things from first principles approach we try to figure out like the essential isolated facts of the world at what is true about human psychology what is true about what makes an APP work are not work and then you try to construct something. That works works the best for what you're doing based on those principles. I'm much more of that sort of person. I don't like to copy what others are doing to pay too much attention to the Meta game. I want any hackers to be the the best thing that it is and if that means it doesn't fit into any particular category that has a name. It's not a media company or a social network then it's just not either of those things and some the best websites that I respect and look up to have also done the same thing so there's one that I'm sure many of your readers will be familiar with called. Dev Dev dot had been halpern. Dev unlike unlike any other website that I've ever seen like what isn't a blogging platform. Is it a forum right. It kind of looks like a feed on the homepage but you follow people as well who knows what it is right there. They're just doing what works for them and they're not really caring what anyone else does yeah and. I'd like to do the same thing for actors and what's kind of cool. I'm in this position now. I can build for an existing user base. I never been in that position before. I started so many different things. That never really got that. Many users add that much traction but whatever bill now. I'm pretty certain that like a few thousand some people are GONNA at least try it out and so I'm GonNa get to that point like no matter what so I can kind of just like look at the data and make data driven decisions whereas in the past it was more like look my finger. You're putting me Erin guess which way the wind is blowing and hope things go right so now I can kind of like look at my own user base and use that to inform decisions. I make rather than looking around and what others are doing and just sort of copying their features. I'll give one example which is that there are a lot of maker communities nowadays like two years ago. There were no maker communities really now. There's a ton of maker community so product hunt has has one called Protestant makers. There's one called maker law. This one called work-in-progress plenty others that like you've never heard of an every one of them has the same exact paradigm where it's it's like people post their tasks and so you'd go on their software engineer daily and you say today. I needed to wake up. That's the task today needed. Edit this pair for this one and it's just like these social feeds of like thousands of people posting their tasks and like they're not bad. I like specially maker log on a big fan of it but at the same time looking at these tasks and I'm like I don't really WanNa read somebody. Else's else's task lists like maybe one specific person. I want like the high level tasks they're doing but I don't really Wanna read their Tesla's but how all of these products end up with the exact same feature I don't particularly find compelling and in my opinion. It's probably not a coincidence as probably people looking at what other products are doing and saying. That's a cool idea. Let me import that what I'm doing. I think think that's kind of the nature of humanity were all copy. Machines were all intrinsically wired to copy what we see other people doing. I'm wired the same way so are you feels good to copy and do do things that people are doing it feels bad branch out on your own and take a risk but I think if you can sort of build up enough of that institutional base level first principles knowledge than you can feel more confident taking risks. designing building features that no one else ever has just because they matched what you were trying to do an fit like a glove higher own media consumption habits changing. I'm pretty deliberate about how I consume media for example. I'm going on more podcast recently. I would like to do that when I go on a podcast. I'd like to be able to refer to things that are happening opening in the world and talk about what other communities are doing so. I'll spend more time deliberately reading about what's going on versus when heads down development mode. I don't really care about what's going on in the world. It's all noise to me. I don't care if I miss the news cycle. I don't care what trump's doing. I don't care what's going on in the rest of tech. I just need to get this feature out the door. I need to do what I'm working on and so I don't I don't know if there's any greater trend that it's influencing my media consumption habits more so than like what's going on in my life and how I need to sort of reconfigure things. I guess podcasts have been pretty influential. However I think podcasting is pretty much the new blogging. I don't really read that many blog posts nowadays. I see a blog post on twitter. I might click it and file it away and some bookmark tool but don't ever come back and read it whereas podcasts. I'll put them on my playlist and like I will guaranteed to that at some point in the future. Audio books are big for for me for the same reason like I can easily listen to these things when I'm cooking or walking or doing pretty much anything so I think a lot of my media. Consumption happens over over audio now whereas five ten years ago almost all reading there's so many people bending over backwards trying to figure out what podcasting turns into next if if it's related to audio interfaces or or sorry voice interfaces or if there's something else it's going to change giving bold predictions. Is there a point you I would love to and general. I think it would be good for more people to make predictions about the future number one. I think it's Kinda a fun number two. I think it forces you to really think I have kind of a yearly tradition of it started with like a near solution but it just ended up ballooning into it's like yearly. New Year's planning and so like maybe ten years ago I started doing this and my New Year's plan will be like all right. I figure out what you think. You're going to be up to you five years from now and then think about what you're gonNA need to do this year in the next year in the next year to get to where you WANNA be five years from now and it's endlessly entertaining for myself to go back and read what I wrote five years in the past about what my life would be like today on my friends lives would be like today what the world would be like today because I would make all these predictions and like oftentimes they were wrong but but I think sometimes they're right you know and sometimes I made good decisions on the passive. Help me get to where I am now. I don't have any like bold. Predictions about podcasting is going. I probably should but I would like to Taymor predictions like that. Do you make bull anything these days or you just use actual is your predictions by testing. That's exactly what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to make my vision of what I want any hackers at least to be reality so I when I like kind of shape the world I would love for a significantly larger number of people to start Internet businesses businesses. I love for them to spend more time getting help and talking to each other online like right now. It's very isolated world you might sit on your computer working on whatever Jeff Myers and works on you know twenty four hours a day. We'll maybe not that much but you know six days a week. Whatever your schedule is never talked to another person about what you're working on. I would like in the future to be sort of default method to be collaborative to be sharing what you're working on. I'm trying to create basically new habits and founders and make it by its own nature very social thing because I think the worst thing that founder can do is isolate themselves and that's the default. If you connect to other people if you share it what you're working on you share what you know and your tips and your advice and you also receive those tips and advice from other people are just going to be more successful. They're going to have more fun doing it. You'RE GONNA get luckier because you're gonNA have other people who can help it just better and pretty much every way but that reality is not really true today or at the very least it's true and sort of a you know not equally distributed fashion at the most social capable networking type. People are really good at it but like everyone else doesn't really have a platform. It helps push them to do this thing and a lot of ways. I think with Andy Akers I'm trying to create this reality. I'm trying to change the way that people behave and so it's less about predicting the future and more about doing the whole cliche thing creating the future but it's hard and who knows like the chances of success of the role being exactly like I wanted to be your pretty low but it's definitely fun trying. I think it's kind of like in some ways like Peleton. Peleton people go there to get a bike ride but then people find out that the instructors are inspiring and I think a lot of people go to in the hackers to initially find better tactics for running an internet business or just top of the funnel figuring out the basics of what Internet businesses MRS are. There's a lot of inspiration on that's and that's one of your focus is actually you. We've really focused on the whole idea of being inspired inspired and you know it's something I can I like about the side is that it's it's almost agnostic of the business. It's more about don't business as one particular creative avenue where one looks for inspiration and looks for ways to paint a better picture and the picture picture. They're painting happens to be a business but there's a very creative thread that runs through all of it yeah. I think business can be anything like we kind of think of businesses being being like this very stuffy boring traditional profession but like for me a businesses just a project that you're passionate about that's also self sustaining and that it generates enough revenue to allow continue to do it and that's all businesses. Any other stuff is completely optional. If you want to spend your time I don't know repeating walls and that's what brings you passion as long as you find a business model to attach to that so you can continue doing that without starving to that. That's a business and like that's not what most people think about when they think about businesses but I would like to think that going into into the future we'll sort of relax stuffy definition and you'll see all sorts of fun cool inspiring stuff that people are doing and calling a business and I like you brought up. The point about inspiration definitely wasn't my goal. When I started the actors I was not like really even keen on what it meant to inspire someone I was a little skeptical of any talk about inspiration. I like watching the website work watching what happened when somebody would share their story with other people who wanted to do it and seeing that people actually were getting inspired and like making life altering decisions because someone else shared her story was mind blowing to me and so like within the few months of launching and the accuracy. I was like okay. What is this inspiration thing like houses actually causing people to change their their lives and like what are the components of it and so I try to work that into every podcast episode I try to work that into features like the milestones features meant to be inspiring. You get an email in your inbox every day. A have different anti hacker accomplished something cool. That's exciting and you can tell them congratulations. You can hear their story like that's inspiring. The interviews on the website are inspiring. It's all meant to basically basically deliver the message to people hey you can do this that people who are like you who are doing this and it's worthwhile to do it. What if you learned about running a business from your time playing starcraft played a lot of starcraft played. God are playing starcraft and I was like seventh grade and I quit maybe four years ago so what is that like age twelve to twenty eight playing competitive starcraft. I'm a competitive person. I love playing starcraft. I don't know how much I learned about business. I playing starcraft. I think playing starcraft was on some level a reflection of my work ethic and that I practice so much or or it could have been you know the genesis of work ethic. Maybe I became a hard worker because I practiced starcraft so much who knows it's hard to say which one is true the other the thing I think that I got from it is the idea of iteration cycles and so in starcraft. You have these very tight feedback loops right. You play a game within within ten thirty minutes. You've lost that game where you've won that game instant feedback. Did you do welded you do poorly but even within a game. You're constantly building things and creating things. I'm battling and things will get you go into battle thinking you're going to win and you lose right or you think you're going to something else happens. You got to get feedback loop and that helps you. Adjust your strategy and basically really really quickly with the business. Sometimes your feedback loops are super slow. You're like Oh. I have an idea for company. It's going to do this and the products like this and it's going to have these these features and it's going to take six months to get this out the door right and so you might take you one six months to get through one feedback loop just to figure out oh my idea was is wrong or the market was wrong or it was the wrong time etc etc the advantage like is that if you go through feedback loops faster rate through that cycle faster you get better right so. I was able to get really good at starcraft because they played so many games so quickly in constantly every time I played a game. I learned something whereas when I started I companies. I did like the traditional wrong approach. We're having super slow feedback loop so take me a long time to learn really concrete realistic information and it took me a while to realise like you can start super small with the product or our company. You can do something that's just tiny that takes you a day to get out the door and learn a ton from that and you're. GonNa learn way more from that. You'RE GONNA learn by sitting around planning and writing up. Hypotheticals strategies rather rose going to just get out there and test it out and then it rate on that and go through quicker and quicker feedback loop so I think if you look at why people get so so oh good game so quickly why people are able to just improve at sports and Games in general that Ivy Super Fast feedback loops and why people might start ten businesses and never succeed. I think a lot acidy within cycles a lot of the people that I talked to you on the podcast as well who've been super successful. There are people who do things like twelve startups in twelve months or they constantly releasing a new thing you know they're not happy just like working on one pet project and you know slogging it out for three years and of course everyone's heard the few stories where that's been the case but I feel like most of the people I talk to you been successful either they like were sending small and iterative their way up to something big are. They just tried lots of different. Things built up a lot of skills a lot of knowledge as a result of that and then they were able to pick looked like a really good thing why Koreans dominate starcraft Greens dominant starcraft because they have culture and my opinion that is more facilitating of being good at video games they take it more seriously if you look at when Korea got broadband like they have still have the fastest internet speeds in the world I could be wrong about that but for longtime they did their way out of the US in terms of internet speeds when I was playing starcraft as a kid I would go home instead of computer alone and play starcraft when my Korean friends who talk about their friends starcraft they would go to an Internet cafe after school and Korea and placed arc off all of their friends of course what's going to happen when you have like a social situation when people were all doing the same thing and sharing tips and secrets with each other. They're GONNA get better at it and it's it's kind of a parallel to what I WANNA do with Andy acker. It's like I don't want boundaries to be the building these things and isolated. I want people to be talking to each other and doing a socially because when information changes hands. You just do a better read. This book recently called the secret of our success. Have you heard of it. It's it's a great book. It's basically this evolutionary biology book that argues that what makes people what makes humans unique species has nothing to do. I mean a little to do with our smarts. Yes but it's mostly to do with the fact that we experienced what the author calls cultural evolution and so we pass information down from one generation to the next very efficiently and we're really really good at doing that. We're also good at doing other things that make this possible so we tinker a lot. We try lots of different. Things and we're really good at copying. This is going to be essential mechanism. That makes us humans. It's like if people go out and try mention this early and try something like you'll zone in on the person who's really good at something and you will copy them and it's gotten to the point where we've evolved. We're like we basically can't do anything if I drop you off in the wild somewhere like you'll be dead in a week probably definitely can't make it. There's no humor the big brain to survive in the wild anyway unless they've trained trained a lot which basically means that they copied others have done and learn from others like you can't even run really like if you go to forget what the tribes called but like they basically like run down gazelles hunt at them and it's like every other animal was just born knowing how to run but if you WANNA run down a gazelle we need to do is look at like the elder person in your tribe and mimic his running technique which he mimic from from like the best runner when he was a kid and so on and so on back and forth hundreds of generations which involves like all sorts of weird stuff that you wouldn't even think about like the fact that humans are less susceptible to heat exhaustion and gazelles and so you need to run at the hottest time of day you need to like run with an uneven gait and stop and start right like you have to literally learn from others how to do something thing is natural is run because we just copy animals. That's how we learn so the upshot of all this being that you know if you put people in a social situation where they can see who's really good and copy them. They're going to do that and I think what starcraft that's exactly all plays out as a programmer you think in objects with Mongo. DB Sodas your database ace Mongo DB is the most popular document based database built for modern application developers and the cloud era millions of developers use Mongo oh DB to power the world's most innovative products and services from crypto currency to online gaming. IOT and more try Mongo go DB today with Atlas the Global Cloud Database Service that runs on aws azure and Google Cloud configure deploy and connect connect to your database in just a few minutes. Check it out at Mongo. DB DOT com slash atlas. That's Mongo. DB Dot com slash atlas thank you to Mongo DB for being a sponsor of software engineering daily. You know what's funny. Is I think one way that I've seen this cultural this time together few things we've talked about. I think that one way this cultural evolution does happen in Games are in competitive environments or certainly in the in the still small world of of mm startups and technology companies in India. Hacker businesses is through this Meta game evolution like like even back back when I play poker like poker is such a small game you know like it's fifty two cards you know one hundred big blinds usually in the same game all the time but the Meta game changed all the time and what I think that says is that it takes us so long as humans to actually explore space confidently confidently and reach the most superior version of that game. I mean you're looking at chess a lot. These days. I'm guessing magnus. Carlsen is significantly better than anybody before him arguably the best chess players ever lived but he has access to supercomputers and like the Meta game now for chest will be playing against the computer studying leading the lines at the computer generates and it's pretty fascinating. I'm a totally new it like but there are certain moves in chess that are named after like sixteenth century monks who originated that move we can like look at them playing this move we still call it by the same name as that monk but there will probably be new moves and new patterns named after people exist today where many centuries went by where there it wasn't that much innovation because there's been such a shift in the Meta game and if you read the book from fifty years ago it was different from one hundred years ago. It was different. It just keeps changing. This is what confuses me about the competition so we are also talking about competition earlier. If the game space of chess remains not yet that fully discovered that says so much about how much greenfield opportunity there is in the universe right and yet some people people like to indulge in the competitive impulses of ourselves like you're talking about you like I mean we can talk about what can competition actually means you know the person to person competition. There's something about person to person competition. That is a fixed sum or zero sum or unlike a non growing pie. You went someone else to lose yeah. I don't know what's the correct competitive framing if you like you say you like competition love. What does that mean gene that means I thrive on competition means that like at a base level I find it entertaining and enjoyable but I also guess in a more productive way and pushed to do more when I know that there's some sort of competitive aspect to for example if I'm growing my podcast and basically like the the darkness of space where it's just me by myself and my podcasts if I go from a thousand dollars a two thousand downloads like will I be happy about that. I have no idea because I don't know if that's quote what unquote good right what I define. As good or bad is entirely subjective. It's entirely relative to what numbers other people are getting and that's kind of what I take satisfaction and it's not necessarily beating being other people or having them feel bad. It's more so knowing that like I don't know I just want some way to assess myself and it's really hard for me to do that. Without some reference point. The reference point is other people. I think that's the nature of competition. Do you think starting a business is in terms of pop culture doing starting a businesses becoming more normalized or is it becoming taboo both at the same time. Actually I think starting a business like being a non business owner and transitioning into the state of having a business is becoming more normalized and isn't really taboo. I think owning a business and especially making lots of money is becoming taboo. Just the political climate that exists is a little bit more classes today day than I would say the United States that I grew up in in the nineties back in the nineties. You could release a movie like Richie rich on right. This kid is rich. It's great and all of the poor kids. WanNa play with the Super Rich Kid and no one cares bats an eye parents secular get to see that movie today that we would probably not fly he would knock the hero. You'll be the de facto villain so I think there's something to be said about like obviously politically. We're just more conscious of wealth. Disparity gradually gone that way over the last twenty years and a lot of that is inherently connected to business because people who owned businesses typically make tremendous amount of money because it's tremendous source of leverage bridge that being said I think the Internet is is incredible. Democratizing force where now the barriers to building your own sort of business are much lower than they ever were right like most of the people who will for example be demonized by the press like Jeff Bezos or Mark Zuckerberg. These people are generally self made billionaires like they didn't then have like billions of dollars passed down to them like Jeff Bezos I believe adopted and like made his fortune from nothing and so it's kind of ironic that we live in a in an age age where it's easier and more democratic for the average person to build something successful than ever was in the past but it's also frowned isn't the age where it was like. I don't know robber barons passing them money to their kids also the agent which business was looked upon as a more noble. How possible is it to build an indie hacker business. Business is a non software engineer these days increasingly possible so I interviewed Ben Tassell. He runs maker pad. He has an anti hacker business. It's very matter the entire businesses devoted to teaching people who don't know how to code how to build some sort of application by using zap easier our air table or web flow low or any of these tools that are helping non developers like hook things up connected to different services on the Internet he himself doesn't know how to code and he used these different. Yeah quote unquote no code tools to build his website and he's now using those to basically provide a living for himself. I want to interview that you should enter if you've been great I think this is the feature at the end of the day. People tend to coalesce into similar needs like for example. My mom wanted to go to a website and I was telling her she should just use wordpress or something similar where you don't have to code so many people built blogs. If you bowling anything that's blog like at all. There's ways that you can do that without really knowing a ton about Co.. You'll need to hire our developer to build it for you. I think the number of these tools is only going to increase. We're going to take the different tools and the different process. He's developers tend to reinvent from scratch. When if we're blowing APPs going to have drag and drop tools to do a lot of that stuff. I think if we WANNA veer too far off the beaten path and do something super custom build completely unique product. You're you're always gonNA need code but at the end of the day there's so many businesses are so many opportunities so many niches that founder can cater to on the Internet that don't require a custom product that really gonNa see more and more people who are non developers starting startups yeah. It's it's like those you know you used to hear about the welcome sure you've the price still hear about these companies companies start landing page or type form and then they gradually over time build more and more functionality the type former the landing page feeds into and they gradually get there. Now you can just build a lot of functionality on that first day I mean I've been asking like people who work at bigger startups or bigger companies this question just like we know how to use these tools as MVP's or were learning learning how to use these tools as MVP's especially. If you're a non coder yeah you get started with web floor air table or whatever but if you're big company do you hire hire no code engineers. What do you think so. Do you ever do that because I think big companies generally just go really deep on things like yeah. I think about my role as a founder. I'm wearing every like I'm doing the marketing sales and during the customer support I'm writing the code designing the features everything which means I can't go that deep. I can only only go so shallow because if they go too deep in the area neglecting some other important part of the business when I look at a company even looking at a company like stripe from the inside. They're not really doing anything thing. I don't do as a solo founder. They're just doing it with significantly more depth. They can hire specialists who can do the thing that I'm doing way better than I'm doing doing it with way. More attention to detail Google have an engineer who's optimizing like one tiny corner of Youtube for example and if you're GONNA go that deep why they have someone who doesn't know how to Code right why not just hire a specialist you can tweak all the specifics of that thing. I think a lot of the tools people code and people starting these no code businesses are are pretty rough around the edges. You'll get the job done but they're not like the best thing you could build. If you build it custom from scratch I wonder if we'll get lake AAC if the way if these turned into cogen tools because if they turn to cogen tools then you're it's all one and the same right you start with a web flow thing and then you one click export to a rails app on the rails developer can take it from there yeah. You know that seems like the way it'll go. Uh that seems to make sense at the end of the day. I wonder how much it's in any of these like there's so much psychology goes around here where it's like. What are the incentives of web flow loaded that right. If you're a web flow you'll probably won't lock in. It won't be Web web globally the Oracle of this space. Yeah I mean I say that with with the deepest love for are web flow like they will own this space. I mean for a very long for some period. Do not own it but maybe they'll disrupt themselves. Maybe they could be you have to last question. Give me your bold prediction. I know you don't like making predictions these days but you're boulders prediction for how the Indy and e hacker landscape will change in the next five years. My boldest predictions going to be pretty optimistic because I'm hoping to be at least one part of this agent for change but I think we're living in if you examine sort of the market of being in the Akkar living in a time where technology is more available than it's ever been. It's cheaper better than it's ever been. Information is also cheaper more available than it's ever been. There's never been as much written about how to start your own business online. There's never been as much shared like the number of companies but he's a sharing literally their exact playbook how they've done everything in the amount of revenue they're making is staggering when ten years ago you would probably find only a small handful so I think it's becoming easier randy hacker business and it's ever been I was thinking there's lots of platforms bill to support and the actors and then these bootstrap founders including Andy Hackers and there's also a lot of money. Any of people of investors are looking to finance these things and so five years from now. I think we're going to be seeing not only more. We're GONNA. We've seen like more mainstream vacation of this. I wouldn't be shocked if they're college offering degrees for like you know the the Andy acker degree right put on you you know this hat and has had in his hat. Learn these different skills do that right. I wouldn't be surprised if we start to see a shift and also like parents attitudes to their children's career career paths right now. Aw at ruins assumes that you need to go to college degree. That's sort of becoming less popular. I don't think it's going to shift dramatically in five years but like maybe ten fifteen years from now parents parents are more excited to see their kids go to straight into the industry of starting startup says teenagers. You know maybe five years now everyone's like getting their kids on the lambda school and and high school and who knows right so I think the end of the day the fact that it's becoming significantly more popular I wouldn't be shocked that we just see infiltrate the mainstream whereas right now it's not like people we're not talking about bootstrapping. Internet businesses on TV sitcoms really it's kind of like a joke that someone like started somebody in their dorm room and they're going to be the next sector bird but but that's a whole different class of start up we're not seeing as much on the mainstream and people certainly smaller businesses that can sustain their lifestyle but it's such a much more attainable goal for most people and so attractive to be able to start something that gives you your freedom and your ability to work with whoever you want wherever you want whenever you want. I'll be shocked what if it doesn't infiltrate the mainstream infiltrate the mainstream at some point in the near future not open a can of worms but you you mentioned there's more more investors looking to fund these kinds of businesses the number of emails. I get it from investors are like hey. You've got a ton of companies. Did you introduce me to any standout companies insane. There's a lot of people with money would love to to invest in high growth start ups or even just small startups sometimes just for fun because they like the aesthetic of doing it but oftentimes because they think it's going to be lucrative. They're also these new basically weekly accelerators that have cropped up in the past few years including venture capitalists also have like sort of an investment thesis of investing in smaller profit revenue driven in companies before sort of user growth traction driven companies so you've got andy. VCU has been doing this for a number of years. They're more of a traditional. VC firm but there are these is around and revenue generating companies. You've got ernest capital who started by Tyler Trinkaus and his partner who was a guest on the podcast. They're also investing in these smaller businesses with different terms than you would see venture capitalists investing. What's your dividends much or the exact terms of all these different tiny as well. They have their own model all but essentially it's very founder friendly very slow growth friendly. It's not I'm only going to get paid back. If you exit your company for two hundred million dollars or a billion dollars it's like if you just put a long on generating revenue or your current rate and growed by accident five years. That's great for me. Is the investors great for you as well. Pay Me back and we're all happy so I think we'll see a lot more of that coming up. We'll see how it plays out. Who knows how these companies I runs. Are The funds going to turn out but I suspect that they're gonNA find a lot of companies where founders could use the money. If when I was building any hacker someone came up to me and said Hey I'll give you a hundred grand for you to support your lifestyle in San Francisco but if you you know the thing works out and you start generating Revenue Avenue need to pay me back up to five that over the next ten years. I'd say great. That seems perfect. I liked you like those terms. Those terms are cool where you just pay some multiple yeah. I mean there's like a cap yeah. Peter Levels had a pretty cynical. Take on this. I don't know if you saw that but he compared these people who are investing in India hacker businesses to to record old record labels. I'm sure some of that for like that but who's usually there's a diversity judging by what you said. There's a diversity but I saw his tweet about that today and I was like NCAA. I wonder I wonder what the capital I guess. You know the dividend side of things you know. I don't know if I would have viewed as old record labels to me. The thing is when when I think about a record label I think of like I think about almost everything is a business. Nowadays like I think of a musician is a business but there are a business where they're taking care of the product side of things the music and they're I'm trying to outsource the marketing and the sales and like all the distribution and all the other parts of the business and so of course if you outsource that like you know three or four quarters of your business to a record label. They're going to have a pretty onerous terms for Nash right because they're doing a lot of the work. If you were just a solo musician and you didn't figure out your song on the radio then you probably wouldn't make very much money's of course the record label deserves a lot of money but I think for founder so when he goes into this thinking you know I'm GonNa wear all these different hats. I'm going to be responsible for the success of my business the investors in doing it for me. There's sort of Abeille me like they deserve some sort of reward for that but they're not like literally the person in charge of my distribution model and so they're not as onerous says record labels nor should they be okay real last question if somebody's listening to this and they're gonna go check out the podcast right after this as they should certainly. PR THE PR levels episodes awesome any other episodes that come to mind that they should immediately queue up. I would say you generally can't go wrong by listening to podcasts gas in reverse order because it's probably hopefully gotten better over time. It's hard to pick a favorite but I do like the episode of recorded with my good friend. Lin Anti who knows well. We've been friends for thirteen fourteen years. It's the second most popular episode of the podcast behind. Peter Levels is episode which was out I think a year before lens and so she might be catching up but I think her episodes great because she is not someone you would expect to learn how to Code and yes you know how to coach. He's not someone you would expect to start a business and she started a super impressive business. She has almost no expenses. She generates a crazy. Amount of revenue has a great lifestyle. Sale doesn't work that many hours has a great story for how she got there and I think it's really one of the most inspirational episodes because it kind of shows that like yeah businesses hard. It's all that scary but it's not that hard and I think a huge component of inspiration is seeing somebody that you can relate to WHO's not intimidating doing the thing that you want to do and I think Lennon's like a very relatable great storyteller storyteller just great person who listen to podcast so I recommend our episode number eighty six Daniel risk into is a good one basket. She's she's also also one of the top downloaded episodes and she's just like Super Quirky. She would have been very quirky. Yeah She's started by like twenty. Something different businesses that she hasn't shut down even uh-huh she's running while in parallel so her episode is a really good take on. I think the point that I was making earlier. Were business anything anything that you're passionate about as as long as you put a revenue model on that it's a business coralline. Thanks for coming on and Pleasure Jeff makes revenue. If you want to extract value from your data it can be difficult especially for nontechnical non analyst users as software builders. You have this unique opportunity to unlock the value of your data to users through through your product or your service. 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What not to do as a maker with Courtland Allen

Product Hunt Radio

55:07 min | 2 years ago

What not to do as a maker with Courtland Allen

"Hey everyone it's advocacy your host of product hunt radio where i'm joined by the founders investors and makers that are shaping the future of tech today. I'm joined by cortlandt allen. He is the founder and c._e._o. Of indie hackers i'm really happy that portland agreed to do something different different with this episode. Try something fun and focus on what not to do as a maker in hackers is a community of people who have successfully pitstop companies found sustainable growth and i thought there'd be a lot to learn from what has learned from his community so get the note pad out because we're going to cover really important topics like what not to do when validating ideas launching a product finding an audience generating generating revenue and we also talk about how to recover from setbacks. This is an episode. You don't wanna miss. It's packed with valuable advice coralline allen. Thank you so much for being on the show today. You are one of my favorite people in the tech world. What am i say founders and i feel feel like i'm speaking on behalf of all of the community when i say you're one of our faith makers really <hes> you are the founder and c._e._o. Of indie hackers which was same famously acquired by stripe just a few years ago for folks who are listening and maybe aren't familiar with india hackers because they've been living under a rock or something. Tell us about what it guess what you do well thanks for such a wonderful interwebbed as he made me feel so special. Hackers is community for makers who are interested in generating rating revenue from their side projects and things that are putting out online so contrast that a little bit from politics which is i think for all makers of any kind. Any hackers is more for entrepreneurship partnership business founder minded makers and so the site consists of a whole bunch of different parts. There's the india's podcast where i will bring makers on to talk about their businesses. Mrs and how they're making money. There are the interviews on the website where we'll interview people overtaxed and we asked everybody to share how much revenue they're making how they came up with their ideas how they got their first customers burgers how they built it etcetera and we've done about four hundred of those interviews and then we've got a community forum right on the homepage so it's full of makers asking each other questions you so. How do you market the side project or how did you find time to take time off your job to build the states that are just practical questions for people to sort of help each other out and help each other build successful fool online businesses. I think it's incredible what india hackers has been able to do one in terms of disseminating knowledge from as you say successful successful revenue generating businesses within the tech space because i know so many people that find value in the meet up in articles. I'm one of those people myself south and then i think secondly in pushing forward a number of movements one of which is to not pursue venture capital funding as tech founder. I actually think of ways to optimize for revenue optimized for profit basically be a sustainable company which is incredible <hes> but secondly just kind of maker evolution in many ways you know folks who want to create cloud based products or digital tools but aren't engineers or aren't you know computer science grads so oh leveraging the latest in no coach tools to still build an e commerce platform or build any kind of like b._b._c. should so i feel like there are a lot of macro trends that have been happening within the tech space that indie hackers has really helped support and grow and move forward and that's that's pretty cool and if anyone hasn't listened to your podcast or read any interviews they're they're really missing out. I love getting inspired by people who are just like yeah so i did edessa tweak this and i built this community not making millions because i feel like when you read tech news. It's often companies that have raised millions begins but don't make any money yet and i just wonder like for folks who again aren't familiar with your story on your background. What what drew you to focus on a community of makers who are building products that make money before i answer that i'll talk about what you said. Earlier are these different macro trends that are happening in the maker community in the tech industry as a whole. I think any hackers is sort of in line with a lot of those but it's also been made possible by a lot of those <hes> probably the biggest one being that it's easier than ever for anybody to hop online and make money from some sort of project apathy bill. It's never been as easy as it is today. There's more competition yes but the number of tools out there to make it easy for you to do it. The amount of knowledge being shared on podcasts on twitter on blogs for how to overcome overcome these hurdles at in the past. Were just like completely opaque. You had no idea how to do it. <hes> there's just so much out there to make it easier than ever which means more people than ever are doing so many many more people. It's like really. I don't if i meet somebody who's like. Oh yeah i've got an app. I put it online and make ten k. a month from it. I don't have a job. I mean so many people like that whereas three or four years ago it would have been exceedingly rare. Most people didn't do that. You know that it was possible so i think that's a lot of why indiactors responsible. Why did i get into this because i'm an indie hacker myself. I spent a wile following the traditional startup route so i graduated from college. I started to start up. I got into y combinator. We raise money through them and we never really had a business model. We didn't charge money for anything we just tried to get millions of users and it didn't go very well and i was burned by that experience and then we eventually did when stripe finally went into betas is two thousand eleven. We finally did charge money. Charge five dollars a month for what we were doing and a couple hundred people signed up like right off the bat and so i think back then i was sort of enchanted by this idea that like i don't have to raise money from investors. I don't have to hope that there's some sort of exit opportunity in the future i could build something. Put a price tag on it. Insult people directly and feasibly pay my rent pay my groceries pay my bills that way never ever for anybody else and just be sort of a perpetual self-sustaining maker and just make things. I like and support myself that way so that's always been a dream of mine but the problem is there was never a resource to help me do that right. If you get a tech crunch. There's really not people reading articles about how ought to be anti hacker threatening articles about how to be a high growth silicon valley startup founder which i have nothing against but it's not right for. Everybody and it's not the only path out there in fact it's probably the ah the more rare sort of weird path for trying to start a business to go that route and so and two thousand sixteen. I decided that i was going to create the actors. Here's which would be a website for people who are just like me. People who want to be andy acker he'd been wannabe makers who are generating their own revenue who want the freedom financial freedom them to live where they wanted work on whatever they want with whoever they want at whatever time they want and the actress was born to really help enable that for a lot of people just like me and so the first version many hackers. I was really just interviews. I would find people who are doing what i wanted to be doing and i would ask them. Hey like can you come my website. Let me interview you and by the way you have to share your revenue numbers and almost everybody said no because everyone's like why would i share my number's under random website but a few people who are early adopters said yes and that snowballed n._t. More and more people people think i launched on product on august fourteenth two thousand sixteen and hacking august eleven and that weekend was just it was so big people are so excited. There's a lot of pent up. I think emotion and desire for something like this do exist a lot of people who wanted to do this but it just wasn't all in one place <unk> track down these stories and hunt down people who live this lifestyle and accomplish these goals because it was hard to find him otherwise it didn't get in the mainstream press because they weren't raising money and so i guess any actors really an extension of my own desire and and luckily for me. There's lots of other people like me who are interested in doing the same thing that's incredible. It's funny because <hes> in another episode product radio. I got to speak to jeanette bianchi the founder and z. o. mighty networks and their solution to help anyone they call them. Hosts build a community engage with the community in one of the pieces of advice that she gave to makers makers who are starting out or trying to build a brand grow following was to leverage their personal experiences. She's like if i look at the most successful case case studies on the platform. It's individuals who have been able to look inwards an intern this personal experience into some kind of valuable data point or inside her or even just like inspiration or idea and mobilize people around it. I think it's incredible that you've been able to chat with india hackers which is awesome so for this episode as you know everyone is listening i pitch portland to play on this idea of what not to do when bootstrapping in the hack community product community and all the other amazing amazing online communities that support making an entrepreneurship we often find ourselves struggling with the same problems the same challenges and there's so much advice out there but i thought it could be quite fun to pick up on some of these really common themes and think them in the context of actually what not to do because sometimes it's easier to avoid things and not repeat mistakes than it is to find the perfect solution for you right because we're all working on different things we all have different goals and outcomes in mind so portland. If you're gay we're going to go with this. What not to do and start with first name game yeah yeah. There's a lot to do so i wanted to start with a question that came up in productivity makers <hes> so we recently launched discussions which is a place for folks to start discussions any threat on anything they want and check each other and this idea of good ideas keeps coming up so we have makers who are like. I have thousands of good ideas ideas and i don't know which one to start with. How do i pick which idea to start with from these thousands of great ideas that i have so kirtland over to you first thing not to do and this is sort of a meta point. Don't take advice from people who don't understand your goals or shares goals and so i can sit here and tell you how to an idea or how not come up with a good idea but you need to understand that i'm telling you that from like a very specific perspective where i am an anti hacker and the kind of things and specialized. I don't like how do you take a side project actor an aperture building and get it to profitability so that you can be you know earned some type of freedom as a maker. If you're trying to build the next facebook like probably my advice won't be that that could free like my burst <unk> how you validated idea and come up with a good idea won't work for you and vice versa so i think it's always important you know. Step one to be careful. You're taking the advice trump and try to understand where they're coming from and make sure they understand what your goals are so i i don't blindly. I let you hear this reading the booker blockposts because you might lead you in the wrong direction specifically for ideas a lot of stuff that you shouldn't do when coming up idea. Probably you need look at what your particular issue is so. Let's say you're somebody who has trouble coming up with ideas. Which i think is a very common problem right. You think oh i would love to work on something and i have the time to work on something but i'm just not sure her what to work on. There's a lot of things are probably doing that. Are preventing you from timing a business ideas. The first thing i'll say you probably shouldn't do is create an analogy analogy to what a businesses that is inaccurate so the two analogies that i hear the most we'll stick with one for now is inventions. A lot of people think a business as an invention which is a kind of a useful analogy beezer creating something that might not have existed before they might be valuable to somebody but with analogy goes wrong is an invention needs to be this entirely novel new thing right. You need to get patent on it because no one's ever done it before. Where's the business is really more of a process. A business doesn't have to be completely unique for example if you're a developer and you teach somebody how to code owed and they pay you. That's a business plenty of other people have taught others to code. You're not the first you're not an inventor but you're still a business and i think a lot of people get frustrated and they get really just like blocked by their inability to come up with something that's completely novel and no one's ever come up with before but i think like number one thing. You should not do trying to come up. An idea is put that constraint on yourself like that that is not a rule in business. There are many millions of businesses that are doing the same thing that other businesses are doing more or less and yet they're still successful still make their founders lives better stomach. The customers lives is better still are not good for the world so dope it yourself in a box. Don't give yourself that very challenging constraint right out of the box if you're an anti hacker. Let's let's say you're someone who does have lots of ideas. The person you described vanessa who's got a ton of ideas and it's like. I don't even know what to work on the really again this comes it comes down to what your goals are. If you're making and your goal is just a built things that are really fun for you and you're not trying to make money off of them. You don't really care if they thrive and survive for years to come like you probably just bill whatever's at the top of your list or whatever is the most interesting to worked on <hes> living any other algorithm will probably do a lifetime if you're working on not the most interesting things to you any hacker. I think you probably need to do is focus. It's it's a little bit more difficult to build something that people are going to pay money for than it is to build something that you're just building for your own pleasure in fact it's a lot more difficult because people don't pay money for very many things you think about about all the different options we how can spend our day. The millions of podcast into book sri could be reading t._v. Shows could be watching stuff. We could be creating stores. It could be dropping into websites that can be visiting like. We do almost none of that every day. We do like a few things so we're all incredibly picky and even more picky about the things we spend money on and so. I think if you're going to be in any hacker you need to be very careful upfront about what your idea is going to be and you go through a process that i would call idea validation which is kind of a sanity check up front got to make sure that you're not just working idea because it's exciting to you but that it's got all the other parts that a business needs to work right so you're not just looking at like oh. This is a cool project that i want to build. Will it be fun for me to build it. You're also looking at the mark or are there actual people who would use this where you are those people to understand them. <hes> what are they good at. What are they not good at. What are they like. What are they not like right. What other products are they using. That might help them solve the same problem. I'm helping them solve and his mind different are better in some way. You've got to look at distribution. Which is how how do i get my product in the hands of people if you build the world's best restaurant and you put it in the sahara desert distribution is crazy matter right so if you're going to build some sort of business you can't just have a good pilot market as well. You need to get distribution channel to actually get your product to people you don't think about the way the price comes into things and i think it's it's it's less an equation of just one of these things really well and the rest will fall into place. I think you're better off doing all of these four things sort of mediocre but you can't. You can't ignore any of these four qualities when you're building something so i think that's an important step to go through when you're coming up with an idea. Make sure you've at least on a sanity check on the afford. This different quadrants yeah. I think that's awesome. It's funny that you also immune kind of started off by saying work on that one. That's interesting if you have the freedom to because we were having a conversation about motivation recently in ryan was talking about how a lot of the times motivation to work on stuff is linked to our interest in in it and i think one of the reasons why lots of makers haven't pursued some of these lightbulb moment ideas that they have on their list is because they're just not that interested in them and i think it's okay it's fine like so much of the success for project is down to the execution like they're probably very mediocre ideas or like you said unoriginal ideas that are executed in a very high impact way that can lead the maker to make money or you engage with an amazing following which is really cool and then i like this idea that you said of actually like validating the idea and like you know applying applying this framework to it because just because you are in the earliest stages of creating doesn't mean you can't still use data to test your assumptions or to drive your decision so i love this idea of like idea validation without framework. That's so powerful. Thank you okay so we've covered ideas. The next topic i wanted to get your insight on is finding beta testers beta whichever accent you have so this is something that comes up time and time again and i want to know what our bootstrap friendly ways to do this and also you know what what are things to avoid so what not to do when finding those i folks to test your products probably the biggest thing to not do is to wait a very long time trying to find your first beta testers. I would err on the side of trying to talk to people about what you're building. What you're considering building before you even read your first line of code or if you're a no code maker before you even put pen to paper trying to design what you're going to talk to. Somebody who you think is going to be a visitor of this website. You're doing a user of this app and what's cool about finding. I beta testers is that you know there's kind of a perception that it's the hardest thing to go from zero to one or nobody using it. You know one person listen but i think it's actually the easiest thing because you don't have to be clever. I in fact i would go so far so you shouldn't try to be clever. You should just brute force it. When you're trying to grow an app from like a million users the two million users you can't force that's way too many people. You can't a million people you know a handcrafted letter. You can't go talk to a million people. You'd be doing that for us if your life when you're trying to go from no no one's using your app to five or ten people. You can easily do that. Talk to five relatives taught to five friends or acquaintances at work right. Go online and research people. You might think think would be good users a good good audience whatever it is that you're creating and send them a heartfelt personalized email right. You can do this and in fact a lot of the founders that i've talked to you have done the sort of non scalable approach the very beginning and i think it's something that pretty much. Everybody can do regardless of what your level of knowledge is as an entrepreneur founder. You don't need to be a genius. You don't need a lodge piloting. Get millions of people a day one. You can just brute force it and talk to people that you know are even you don't know anything. That's not only easier because you're not to be that clever but it's also more valuable because you can try to do these sort of mass launch things as your first step out the door. You don't get very good feedback. If i talked to you about what i'm working on. You can actually engage with me in real time. Give me feedback. I can respond to what you're saying. I can ask you questions etc so the whole time i'm talking to you. I'm actually learning or put up a landing page when i say hey come. Check this thing out and i i gotta tell you what it does and you look at. It and you have all these objections throughout. You don't care never hear that from you. Because you just close the tap or you just go elsewhere and so i think early on it's really important to get your hands dirty and just like have these conversations and hopefully something that you never stopped doing as you're working on. Whatever it is that you're building. I love that as you were saying that it kind of reminded me of like my favorite program say i feel like everyone in the startup world like at some point in their lives stumbled upon programs essays and he's written on do things that don't scale and you're so right right like it's often makers are jumping forward and thinking ohio. Does this huge company that i admire get feedback. Oh they do these these huge campaigns in these big launches but exactly as you described there so much value in having these one to one interaction with folks. I know you're a big believer in that like you speak your the only time and you still go to like all the communities and stuff like that right so like literally in real life you're talking to people yeah can't get out of if i go to meet up this people in front of me and person i talked to kevin. I ask them what they think. You know this kind of goes back to a level you referenced article and people sort of look at what bigger companies are doing like. Probably the biggest thing not to do is to copy a huge companies when you're small these huge companies are doing things that like you can't do probably shouldn't do because you're much small like you wouldn't go to the gym <hes> day one and try to bench expressed five hundred pounds because the biggest guy in the gym has bench pressing five hundred pounds. You do like people who are just slightly ahead of you are doing. That's what you should be looking towards and so i think that also kind of aligns with what i was saying earlier on in the episode that you shouldn't take advice from people who aren't they don't have the same goals aren't doing the same things as you and one of the most troubling things i think for beginning andy akers is that ah the easiest most visible examples of people to copy. Are these huge companies who are really the worst people to copy yeah. That's so helpful. I don't even enough. This is a fair question or if it's possible to think about it but if one is let's say trying to create consumer app for the app store so with a bit distraught mindset. They're not going for v._c. Funding they just want to create something. They've identified a problem. Maybe it's quite personal one. They want to build a solution. Would you say there is any kind of metric or ballpark of the number of conversations they should have before they start building or before they start wearing framing and i actually actually have like a specific friend in mind when i'm thinking about this because she's been doing user interviews and she's like i have got like thirty nine driver for fifty drago for a hundred what do i do. She should go for exactly forty three. I think it really depends on what your goals are. I think every step of the process you should be thinking about what the next step is and what you need to accomplish in this step to get there. I think if you're talking to people i shouldn't just be aimlessly. I'm talking to people just to talk to people to be talking to people because i have a certain set of assumptions as as to why the thing that i'm creating gonna work because i think it solves this particular problem because i think people use it three times a day because i think people will pay dollars for it and well you need to do is when you talk to people figure out some questions that you could ask them to test those assumptions and when you start getting the same answers over and over again to the point where you feel like the assumptions that you have or no longer assumptions the sort of validated by telling you the same thing. I think it's safe to kind of go build it and this process in my opinion should never really stop right. You start getting the same answers. Well then you start. You know we've been going to face to whatever it is working on and you have new assumptions with phase. Change your questions up but you keep talking to people. It sounds like your friend is a really structured and she's got a whole process going and it sounds like she probably already is asking very very meaningful questions and so naro okay. What are your assumptions like. What do you need to be true for your mobile app to work and coming through in the answers. You're getting from these people that you're talking to you for a lot of people. I think you don't need anything so formal right. You just talk to four or five people in an afternoon and just sort of sanity. Check what you're what you're working on. That's enough to start writing her first lines of code and maybe next week you have different conversations so there's there's no one number for everybody but i think it's important to keep your eye on the ball to what you're trying to accomplish accomplish in the next step amazing. That's really helpful. That also reminds me of another thing that why is he talked about. It may have been paul graham to or maybe it was michael cyberman limbaugh. It's all about a milestone. I think it's definitely program actually so this. This is like another. I guess like framework that he recommends for like early stage founders in tech founders to think about map out your milestones whatever that might be so we're talking about idea validation or testing assumptions or what are the the essential features to have in my m._v._p. And i think having those milestones mapped out of course those mountains may change as you gain more data but having having those milestones mapped out ahead of you is a really good way to anchor the work you do because exactly as you said you know how many user interface you have okay how long is a piece so strang. What is your goal. What are you trying to move towards and then having those those milestones as the anchors to help you decide. We'll let you know when you have enough information. Tomake another key decision and i think it makes it more fun too. I think that's a perfect summary and i really like having these little milestones these little steps because if you have a project and it's just like this meazza blob and it's just like i'm going to do all the stuff at some point it can turn into a really long slog which is not fun. There's a lot of makers and the akers build build stuff and it never really release. It is getting motivated at some point during the process but if you have a process that you've sort of broken up into little steps like little wins. Little milestones sounds that it feels really good. When you hit the you know when i was working on any actors in the beginning my step one was just to get ten people to say yes to doing. That was a huge milestone for me. It took a week week of lots of emails to people. I didn't know like eventually took. People said yes. I felt great and that was a huge accomplishment for me and then just getting on a website was like a really big accomplishment and then like launching urging a big accomplishment and so like three weeks. I had like three wins versus being you know there's one process and so i think it's something that more people can think about is how how can when you break up your plan into little segments and how can you make sure that every one of those feels really good to you so you're motivated to keep going on and you don't quit because the only thing they can really kill your business. Is you quitting exactly that's true and i see that happened in the community and other people i speak to you know on twitter and so forth. They've been working on an idea for like two years years. Maybe it's like a side hustle. They've lost that focus on mawson's. They've lost that focus on goals in it probably is transforming into less of a fun thing to do and more burden so that's like reading. Pardon reminder. Thanks bring it up okay so i'm gonna move onto. I feel like this is quite. I mean it's an exciting topic but it's also a difficult topic and that is the topic of launching and i feel like the reason why i think is a difficult topic. I am on the community team. At product town. I support makers on their launch days. People invest in incredible amount of energy and also an incredible amount of emotion into their launch days and ultimately there are variables is beyond our control. You know how many folks end up clicking onto your landing page signing up to your mailing list et cetera before i jump into the kind of emotional rollercoaster that a launch day it can be. I thought it might be fun again. Keeping with this theme to just think of from a bootstrapping makers mindset some launching do's and dotes so what are some of launch days or even just launching a product do's and don'ts logic is another one of those things. I think it's an analogy analogies to a rocket launch right. You're spending all this time putting together this rocket and it takes years. All these engineers working scientists figuring out executives rockets gonna work and then eventually get to launch. Stay at it's do or die right. Launch either explodes in the air or takes off into space and it's kind of a useful analogy i think but it's also an analogy that can lead you astray. I questioned the the idea that you have to have a singular launched. Really that's even the best approach to somebody who's bootstrap or to somebody who's in andy acker. I think it really just comes down to growth. There's a sort of one term growth at it's a continuous spectrum and growth includes everything from launch to those. I beta testers who you're you're talking to you. How do you go from zero to five people using your thing. Do you go from five to one hundred. How do you go from one hundred thousand. These aren't discrete points to me. It's just one continuous spectrum and launched in my opinion is just a tool that you can use help you get to the next level when it's appropriate so the biggest launch don't in my opinion is to sort of mindlessly decide that like the first contact. You should have with people. Is your launch the first time customers to see what your building is your launch. That isn't needs to be the case. I don't think a rocket ship is a really good analogy to start up an apple by a maker. I think what you should be doing buildings much quicker that are much less well-tested that a rocket ship they should actually put them in user's hands immediately as soon as you possibly can and get them using it. I think by the time you get to your launch day should already have people were using what you're building. You already know what the reaction's going to be and and your launch should ideally be a tool that you use ago saying earlier to get you to the next level so i'll give you an example with any hackers took me about three weeks from idea to the point where i had a website bill but that entire time i was telling people hey come check out my website. Check out these interviews. What do you think a lot of good feedback from people that i told about the website about the interviews and so when it came time to the quote unquote launch and the actors whether already were readers of any hackers already sort of knew what readers thought of the website and i had already fixed a lot of bugs and issues at add had questions for my interview process that i didn't have earlier and so my launch goal was really just to collect as many emails is like it put mailing list collection form on the website the day before i launched analogical was to sort of build a mailing list they would have people that it can continually redirect back to the site when i published new interviews and that was my goal. It wasn't like a first touch with the world like with a rocket launcher launch more so like yeah. This is already up and working. I just want to accomplish this next level. The problem is we don't really expect to launch to be like that. What happens is you launch and things go really well and then nine times out ten even if they did really well in the next few weeks all that traffic has gone yeah. All those people have left and you didn't expect that and didn't really have a plan from here because launch wasn't something the us to get to the next level. You don't really thinking one step ahead and i think that's a very preventable problem. I it's very common so i would say avoid looking at your launches. A singular thing realized that growth and getting people whatever your buildings continuous processing should think about that from the beginning. Yes i love that it's true. I feel like it's almost part of the human condition where we tend tend to see things in quite a binary way neither like succeed or fail on or off launched or not launched and you're absolutely right it shouldn't be this ask dot on the time line of before and after but rather a continuous process building on the goals of whether it's growth or engagement whatever is is that key metric for you and thinking about it in that way i also just maybe wanted to pick your brains a bit more around the theme of launching and let's say going back to this for example of a consumer app that my friends working on do you feel that founders should almost similar to like marketing campaign like how would you film or netflix series might launch inch try to think of all the different channels they are gonna leverage when they've got the public version of their product live on the app store ready to play with are are there any best practices that you've seen that seemed to work yeah. I think if you're an indie hacker like the launch really doesn't need to be this tremendous mendes affair that you devote all your resources to it's not like you need to target every single channel from day. One blasts out everywhere up. There are some things you can do that will help but i'm personally the by is like you shouldn't put launch on a pedestal. It shouldn't be this ridiculously important. Singular day or older actions went basket <hes> but it does help to do these things the number one thing i think you can do for launch to build an audience beforehand generally speaking if you're gonna watch on protestant or hacker news going to tweet what you've done revealed to the world on pitch press ideally want people who sort of already on your team supporting you who can help you amplify launch. <hes> who can help re tweet you can help up voted who can help. I believe positive comments and so. Are you already started mailing lists before you've launched. I would be telling people about what you're building transparently. Tell them about the process of what you're creating before you've launched tweet about got it people really like to read behind the scenes stuff people really like to learn about how things are made and so it's not that difficult if you can sort of force yourself to be vocal about what you're building while you're building it ah to build this kind of initial audience and so that that way on day number one when you lodge you can email this audience and say hey. I'm launching here. Thanks so much following journey journey. We appreciate your support and some people might help you. Maybe they won't but i think that really can help amplify launch. If that's what you're going for besides that i think you should really think about the different channels that that appeal to your particular audience so earlier. I was saying that depending on what you're making your part of your ideas like what it is that you're building but part of like what makes a good business idea. Good is the people that you're targeting like who do you want to. Are you targeting teachers. Is this for developers other makers. Is it for stay at home. Moms whoever you you have in mind for for being like the ideal user for creating they probably have watering holes they gather at on the internet probably have places only really they go and they share information with each other and should have those in mind as places where you could launch. I think it's very easy to just sort of say well. Ariel sloshes our product so that's where i'm going to launch. You probably should locher pot because there's so many new early adopters there. You wanna use different new things. We should also lawn area where your target market like your ideal users actually congregate otherwise you're missing a huge opportunity. I would say try to figure out what that is before. We launch not really gonna figure out what that is. If you are one of your ideal users are we spent a lot of time talking to them. Yes i agree. Thanks for being that out because i think similar to what you're saying earlier. You're where we perhaps take our cues from big global tech companies when we should be looking at only a few steps ahead of us there is is often a tendency for makers to go where the biggest audience is in the hope that you know x percent will convert into followers subscribers downloads in reality if you go to a more narrow focused platform like you said where your target users are where you hang out if you're building a product for your demographic. I'm a graphic your audience. You're probably gonna end up with far higher engagement. Even though the total pool is smaller just because you're really connecting to the folks excite have the problem. You're trying to solve or will find value in the product that you're launching so yeah. I think you're right. Don't fall victim to playing the numbers game when you could be playing the find the narrow focus game that makes sense yeah a little bit of quality over quantity exactly also so now we've launched inched. Our product is out. There and maybe we didn't do that prep so we didn't build that audience. We didn't really start engaging with people who could you're product. Help us amplify the message out there so we're struggling to find our first users. This is something that we talk about all the time on the platform. You've got makers who spent so oh long building a product sadly have not put a lot of focus on building an audience and now they are struggling to find their first users if one finds himself in that the situation what are the do's and don'ts what could work and what should be avoided. I don't fret don't get worried. Remember launches just is one of many steps. Long continuous path of growth really is no such thing as logic can keep launching over and over again into the future. You didn't blow your one shot so don't get discouraged and i say that because again. I think quitting is like the number one bad thing you can do. The only reason if this is gonna fails because you quit so keep going figure out what lessons you learned for your launch figure out why didn't do well. People format like it talk to people probably gone to the point where you've launched something and it didn't do well. You've already pass up the opportunity to talk to people because if you've been talking to people you should have some some the idea in mind of how they think about the thing that you've been craving so i would say go back to the drawing board a little bit and start talking to people which is probably neglecting step to figure out like these distribution channels and i was talking about earlier right. You're launch is not the only time you can get users and really if you build something. That's good and people seem to like it. You just need to find out where those people are so this goes back to what we were saying like. Who are your actual target customers. Where do they hang out online. It talked to you a guy same dominic wells use a company called human proof designs had him on on the podcast and like his best us run flip the these people were just like buying and selling each other's websites and he had a product that would basically give you an idea for a website that you could buy and sell it and you'd buy these ideas from <unk> so it was like all these people who are totally in my wheelhouse hanging out on this place flip a i need to go there and like he was struggling to grow before he found that channel but then he founded ended it was much better for him and there's a lot of other stories like that on any hackers right talked to people who are now making ten clinique a month from their products but earlier on they were just stuck and had no idea how to get users so so i think a lot of it is just a process of like sticking with it and really just hammering on these different channels and even if you don't get right on your launch date. It's totally okay later on you can figure it out so don't get discouraged. I love that definitely like not quitting. I think ryan once said this on twitter. He was helping review some founders his wife combinator applications and one of the founders had said something along the lines of this is our make or break if we don't get in that's it you're killing the project and ryan was like that's really concerning because you should want to work on this regardless of the outcome of you know ultimately sadly an application right there so many other things that will still happen to many other milestones on the horizon for this product if you really care about it so yeah. I think you're right. Just making sure that you keep going even if the launch didn't turn out the way you did is so important i also think it kinda comes back to something that i see a lot of founders talking talking about more and more on social media which is the idea of resilience. I think to succeed as a founder and i'm sure you have a lot of lessons from this having been through so many cycles cycles of of founding yourself. It's really important to be able to pick ourselves up when things don't go to plan and that's almost like well. I see it anyway like a muscle that we have to exercise and the more often we we go through experiences where things don't as planned but we keep going and learn from it and keep moving forward the better we become at dealing with situations where things don't go to plan totally and there's some like hacks that you can. I used to make it easier on yourself. You don't have to have as big of a deal disaster muscle. You can for example. You're building less things by yourself but having trouble have co founder find someone someone else's maker who is interested in the same things that you are interested in which is not that hard to do nowadays with websites like protons makers in discussions now and the hackers find someone does your interests and you can talk to this person about it and like the psychological benefits of working with elsa often tremendous and they can help. You basically not quit when the going gets tough. You have somebody somebody else's sort of ended with you start small. They'll really small things just because you might have grand ambitions down. The road doesn't mean that you're building needs to start off grand. Most websites most companies that you've heard of that are really huge. Nowadays started tiny one. There was a time walmart was a really tiny corner store in the grew gradually from that so i think starting small that was a really good way to sort of preserve your morale because if things don't go well then you haven't invested all that much time and if things do go well you really like you can really take advantage the optionality that you have to either make it into something bigger or to keep it small and polish it etc. I think starting small is pretty underrated advantage and not enough people talk about but it's the people i've seen who sort of continued through adversity adversity is because they've built something. That's small got it out in the customers. Hands really early like any sort of lack of success wasn't that hard for them to deal with and then success was like extra good a good example. I'll talk about is josh. Pick for a bear metrics. I think he built his app and something like seven days days from idea to i paint thinner and like that's no timer. He committed almost nothing he wasn't invested. If it didn't go well oh well seven days but then from there is like oh this is cool. Maybe i should like make it better. You went back to the drawing board and like rebuilt his whole abc but he already at that point it sort of validated that people would pay for it right as i think starting small something all of all oba's can kinda learn from. I love that that is such good advice. It's very practical undoable as well so i'm going to remember that next time i'm launching something uh-huh or kicking. The hard part about it is is how do you when you started smelling something so the stair step that into something bigger the analogy. I like to use as a climbing wall right. It's really hard to just. I jumped to the top of a climbing wall but if you put your first foot on the first step at the bottom of the climbing wall and you press up that will give you a little bit of a height advantage that makes reaching the second step easier <hes> <hes> so any hackers for example okay. I want this huge online community founders helping each other. How do i do that well. If i put on interviews. Maybe that's good enough to launch those pot and put a man. Let's connect <hes> mailing list sort of e mail collection form on the website then i can build a newsletter and the newsletter will reach people over and over again then if i build a community i can send that those conversations to people on the newsletter and that will start to populate the community and then if the communities sort of self sustaining a lot of people in there that can use that to like i dunno bulletin audience <unk> a podcast august and so each one of these steps is small itself but it helps provide some advantage to get to the next level and i think that's something a lot of people don't realize it's even possible agreed. That's brilliant. That actually leads me on to the next theme. I wanted to touch on with. You and let's say you have started small so you're working full-time and you kick off a project as a side hustle your bootstrapping. You are gaining traction. You're actually making some money now. I wanted to get your insight on the dilemma. Lots of bits dropping makers find themselves in where their side hustle was actually really starting to pick up and as it's picking up it's also more demanding of their time and their resources and they ask themselves the question jen. Should i transition to working on this full-time. I'd love to get your insight on the kind of questions maker should ask himself to help make that decision addition first of all. Do you like what you're working on and sort of bribery uses like do. I like the customers that i'm serving the people who are paying for what i building these people that'll be friends with are these people who i wanna talk to you an email and meet for the next few years because that's probably what you're going to be doing and you really don't quit your job and go full time in something that you don't like working on because the whole point of doing this to enjoy your life. There's no point in starting something like this. If it's not gonna make your life better so that's like step one makes you actually like what you're doing. Step to you have to really really look at your own financial situation for any hackers. I quit my job coulter he because they saved up about a year's worth of rent and i said i'm going to use this money to invest in myself and build it and so i really kind of took that risk for a lot of people in the os will depend on who you are like. You've got a family or mortgage are really high paying job. You're not sure you could easily replacement saturday. You'll need to take into account. Don't get overly optimistic at the first sign of success but also make sure that like if you do this you're not gonna regret it because you've like ruined or financial situation which luckily i don't hear as much about as i used to when i moved s._f. I heard so many stories of people racking up tons of credit card dad also it's all sorts of terrible things. You should never do that for your hacker. Business is really no point. It's just gonna make you more stress. Make your life worse and again the points to make better other questions are about growth i think what potential does this thing actually have to get big. It's just the right thing for you to invest in so heavily. I would advise you if you've got like something that you're doing on the side and it's getting big enough to the point where like you can even consider quitting your job. See off. Are you can stretch it. Like how far can you go with the constraint that you still have a fulltime job and other otherside businesses just a side business that constraint will force you to be creative in some ways. You won't be able to build certain things that you wish you had time to bill but that's okay if you can still get bigger. I think that reduces this is the risk of quitting your job and the work. That's not gonna work very well. I think it's very easy to get sucked into this idea that all i quit my job. I would have so much more free time but would i be able to do all this stuff and no matter what how much free time you have whatever it is that you're building. If you focus on one thing i guarantee you. There's more stuff to build. There's more stuff to create more ideas that you'll oh. Have you have time to do whether or not that time you have is forty hours a week or whether it's just nights and weekends <hes> after work. You're still not going to have enough time to do what you need to do and and so it's important to sort of develop that muscle of prioritization and restraint and figuring out okay what things you need to get made and what things can wait and so i think you can do that while you keep your full time job and you'll necessarily have to be risky decision to quit agreed. I think that's wonderful. It's so important. I was at a talk the other day by i founder and he was saying you know we as individuals have to calculate what that risk reward dynamic is that suits us and you're absolutely right. It is very very very personal. One near the reward of going full time might not be as great as you think it could be. If you enjoy interacting with audience every day or maybe you actually she really liked your fulltime job and you can find a way to make both work and it isn't quite right to be away from the so again. I love this idea of like creating these frameworks trying as much as possible. I feel like the advice that you're giving is almost like trying as much as possible to make objective decisions where we might otherwise fall victim to subjective ones like doing whatever we can to agree the priorities or the goals and then with the information. We have available fitting them into that to make the next the best decision. Is that fair yeah. There's people who disagree with me. I'm a very analytical person. I like planning. I like trying to figure things out as objectively as possible. Of course we're all oh biased and of course there's a lot of noise in the data that we're never going to be perfect but my point is used kind of like you're not the first person to diaz not the first maker you're not the first hacker not the first person persson the creator business other people have done the stuff and they've run into all sorts of roadblocks and they've written literally books about their lessons and you have two choices right you can either repeat their mistakes steaks or you can try to learn <hes> sort of innocent yet from their mistakes so you don't have to repeat them and i always on the side of like that second approach. Try to learn from other people's those horrible mistakes. Try not to spend your entire life repeating those mistakes yourself. There are some lessons that are just much harder to learn unless they're your own personal experience. I think a lot of those were sank first time founders and makers. You're trying to generate revenue for example sort of unwavering optimism. You have as the creator that you think is going to work and that people like it. It's very hard to believe that you think is going to be great. Other people won't think it's gonna be great which is why a lot of first-time makers neglect talking to their users and trying to run these tests and validate their ideas because he is going to work. It's going to be some of those lessons. You might have to learn the hard way because their emotional psychological essence but once you do then you could put a system in a place like okay well. Here's how actually talked to us is he's alive. Validate this stuff so i think a lot of it is just figuring out what the roadblocks are going to be figuring out. If those are things you can learn from other people. That's why i created. The actors is hundreds of interviews views. You can just go there and read how people have done it and see what roadblocks come up over and over again and that should give you a little bit of confidence as to what you can do but again people disagree a lot of people believe that you should do everything based on intuition feeling it out and there is no relief. There's no playbook. That's going to tell you how to do it so i think it really depends on your personality. Yeah that's true. Actually that's a good point. What feels right to you because you also don't wanna. I was playing with my goddaughter. The other day. She's like one years old and she has this game and it's like a cube with different shapes cut out all around it and then she has other shapes like three d objects tries to fit in to the matching holes and and these two different ways of thinking remind me of that game because you know if you're like triangle shape thinker. Don't try to push yourself into the circle shape way of thanking you also away away have to do what feels right so that you don't always feel like you're struggling against something. That doesn't connect with you so that's helpful reminder to totally agree and it's super important for starting a business to you because you don't want to you want to start a business. Somebody else told you to start the you. Don't like you're not enjoying it. So you really have to understand who you are. As a person. I've started lots of businesses that quite frankly where it really who i am sort of productivity software stuff like i don't care about productivity software productivity geek. I never read getting things done. Why was i doing that. It's not surprising that i eventually quit whereas what sort of business that was related to something that i'm genuinely interested in like andy. Hackers is like these are my people. It's the people i would wanna talk to everyday anyway. Eh suddenly i'm much better equipped so i think you're totally right. You need to figure out you know. Are you a triangle person. Are you a circle person. A natural formulas is just as much as all the objective objective business strategy type things. I'm so sad that our time is drawing to an end because i feel like now i have even more questions. I want to ask you for our maker community but you you are a c._e._o. <unk> i know i have to go soon so the final theme i wanna get your advice on is the theme of setting metrics or rather confusing metrics. All makers want to use data to improve once their product is out in the world interacting with our audience. What should makers avoid really not do when they are setting their success metrics or deciding what those k._p._i.'s are. This is <unk> a great example of a time where you should not copy what companies are doing. Every large company has hundreds of people in the marketing department and the development department and a lot most people are just measuring and tracking and analyzing things down to the most minute detail whereas when i talked to lots of in the hackers on my podcast my website what i find is very common for people bull who various accessible to say yeah we don't track hardly anything attract very few metrics etc and the reason is because it's not because metrics are useful to track. It's because there's an opportunity because everything you do right. If you're spending your time setting up your google analytics mix panel for days like that stays where you're not doing other things and quite frankly like that stuff is not that that important especially early on you're going to get a lot more valuable data just by talking to people by actually building features and seeing how they perform they're gonna get tweaking being <hes> the tiniest things based on a._b. Testing metrics etc so step one. Don't spend a ton of time upfront tracking your metrics. Step to whatever you do track. Make sure it's actually elite something that you really care about. <hes> this goes back to sort of like the stair steps sort of climbing wall on the milestones. We're talking about you always sort of know that you're just at one step on the process us to your ultimate goal track. Whatever metric is going to get you to that next. Step right. If i need a thousand email subscribers before i felt good launching a community forum that's the metric that attract and all the other metrics don't matter you can drive yourself crazy tracking a bunch of stuff. It doesn't matter and quite frankly even if you do l. those metrics it doesn't feel good if i see that the ten thousand people have downloaded something or watch something or read something like that's just a number doesn't feel amazing unless i'm gonna make a new decision based on tracking that metric. I think it's just a waste of time so my my biases track very few metrics and don't buy into them too much and make sure you know sort of how they fit into your overall roadmap. I love that that's so helpful and the reason why it's so important to remember that is because like you just mentioned earlier. Time is so precious when one is a maker there are so many competing <unk> demands of time and so many priorities to sat and ultimately if it's just not going to be the most effective lever to move you closer term milestone. Don't spend that energy on it. That's wonderful. Thank you so much. Okay so court land you have given us so many great tips in this special episode of what not to do when dropping and what not to do as a maker <hes> this is one of my favorite part to show being the product hunt radio podcast podcast. We cannot let you go without talking to you about the products that you love so this might be the apps on your screen or maybe some hardware that you're playing around with at home. <hes> this is where i give you the floor you can share the audience. What products are number. One has got to be notion. I'm obsessed with notion like all of my docs from google docs in the notion couple months ago and have not looked back. It's amazing. It's it's like you can do whatever you want. Initiative and i'm super excited to see that they raise money recently. They're going to be bullied. Here's to a lot more cool stuff with. That can't wait to see what they added but right now. It's already like the perfect document editor for me. I can't imagine a a better tool so a big fan of others air table for example a notion. It just seems like they got it right. I love notion yeah. It's crazy eight hundred million dollar valuation. We've been talking about in product on. It was one of the headline stories i think in the newsletter they'll probably be a unicorn soon enough. I feel like if someone was listening now and they're ugh. You moved all your google docs from noushin. Is it just like google docs. How would you describe match us like all of notions features so they have this like consummate database notion which is just sort of like a table. Every row has all this information so i've got like i used to use asana for example for my weekly tasks. I don't use us on anymore. Use notion fraud by task ask management. I write a lot. I just essays ideas for blog. Posts use notion for all of that <hes> do planning with my team at any hackers. We collaborate a notion for that sort of my entire home base or how organize my life personally and at work is all and notion. I think the cool thing about it is it's. It's got like these embed feature rican bad things from pretty much any website like even better youtube video and your notion for example you can and better google doc and your notion document is just powerful. I like the idea that i could not not just a task list but they can also have documents and notes and like just free form writing sort of in line and around my past and so i use literally whatever you can imagine it involves reading it from cards happening my notion i love first of all the aesthetics of notion because it just looked so good and the intuition behind everything is awesome like let's say you're just like starting a new project. You can choose of cover image. They've got this like incredible library of images that you can choose. They've got an integration with un splashed. So every time you start a new page or or do something new. You know you can a personalized in some way or dislike at a bit of pizzazz <hes> you can also like assigned line like emojis to headings and give them character that way so i feel like there are also so many delightful elements to the product that i left too but i think most of all the reason why i prefer it to google docs is because you're getting it almost like a website. You know you're you can create your own head. <unk> menus and google docs has changed <unk> but it hasn't really changed to that degree. The actual like navigation is still pretty dry and very much like directory so it's quite fun how customizable ownership can be too in terms of turning into websites definitely think folks you check it out. If they haven't yet while portland we have come to our very sad because i've enjoyed the conversation so much do not have to end of folks listening and want to find out more. They want to learn more from you. They wanna learn more from the community. Where should they go. Thanks see so much for having me on the podcast for people who wanna learn more about any hackers considering starting a business. I highly recommend you check out. The hackers. Podcast is good at w._w._w. Me and the hackers dot com was a link to the podcast up top or you can check out the community form just right there on the homepage. I tweet pretty rarely but when i do it's from twitter dot com slash c._s. allen so there's all sorts of places you can go to get familiar with the indiana's community awesome thanks again. Cartland has been great having you. Thanks thanks for tuning in. We'll be back next week but in the meantime shared the podcast your friends on twitter and tagged guests here if you drop zone <music>.

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48 Our 2021 Goals

Couple Things with Shawn and Andrew

36:02 min | 6 months ago

48 Our 2021 Goals

"Happy new year everyone. Welcome back to couple things. My name is andrew. I'm shawn johnson east and this is a show. Will you tell them all about couples and the things they go through. We are really excited about this year. We plan to continue growing interviewing some awesome people talking about topics you guys request and we thought we would start out this year by talking about our goals how he set them the resolutions. The whole shebang and yes. This is something china. I've done for for three years and i will say There's kind of three buckets content on this show of this. Your first time listening we do episodes were shot and i just sit down and talk yes of which this is one we do interviews with other couples couples like lou combs yet tibo Andy roddick. pk sudan son yes acker and then we also do live show so those are three different buckets but today we are discussing goals just sean and i and this is something that's near and dear to our heart it's really important to us Enough so that we thought you know what. Let's just sit down with our pod people and talk about how we do this. Because i think this is one of the most connecting conversations that we have all year but before we get started before we go down this path and journey with you. If you haven't yet please subscribe to the show and give it a rating on whatever platform you're listening to. Weei are on youtube spotify apple. Podcasts anywhere you can listen to podcasts. Audio. you can find us there so We love to hear feedback. We'd love to hear which type of show you prefer listening to. And what topics or couples. You would like us to discuss before we jump straight into. I also if you are new to a couple of things the reason why we started this show was. I feel like the world started to paint this picture of couples and relationships as a one-size-fits-all if you do this and you do that if you follow this rule book if you play by these rules and say these things your your marriage your relationship. You're dating relationship. Your life will work out. And i hated that because within the world of reality tv and tabloids and magazines all you read about the failures of relationship so a goal we had was to expose relationships fell off and show that they are messy and ugly and they go through. Hardships in every single relationship is so different. And however you do it works and you can make it work and you can come out on top this right and by no means our sonnen. I in the position to really giving relationship advice beyond our own experience so our goal is to just kinda share stories that hopefully you can relate to or you know someone that can relate to them. So that's our goal here and ultimately we strive in all of the content we put out to encourage individuals and families towards deeper connection absolutely so starting it off of this year with goals goal setting. I want to take you back to two thousand eighteen right Did it december two thousand eighteen. Yeah we were living in washington. Andrew was playing for the washington. Football teams formerly known as the redskins. It was and we started doing this thing where our life was chaos. We were travelling every other week. Andrew had been traded many many times. We didn't know our future looked like just because so many things were uncertain and we felt like we should sit down and really think about what we wanted. The next year to look like andrew was kind of sifting through his emotions and thoughts if he wanted to continue with football. I didn't know where i wanted our business to go. I didn't know where. I want her to our family to go. We were talking about buying like a permanent house but yet chasing around the nfl with temporary apartments it was just a lot a lot was up in. The air allow was seemed chaotic. And then we came across a mentor. Who recommended hey. Why don't you do vision setting so we don't really know what that meant. We didn't know what that meant. And so are i take it. This was sitting down and kind of coming up with goals but doing that together. Which decide effect. I feel like there's so many side effects of us actually discussing what we want out of life as debriefing how we thought the past year and several had gone and then Us just understanding better how to support each other so and so. I felt like the intention of well. Let me the scene for you. We went to coffee shop. it was one of andrew's off days so he didn't have practice in. We sat in this coffee shop for five hours worth and it sounds like the super excessive amount of time but it flew by and i feel like one of my favorite things that has come from this goal. Setting is not the resolutions of new year's i don't agree with. Oh it's january first. We have to change our lifestyle. We have to follow this diet. I need to lose twenty like no not what the new year is about. But i do believe that every year if you can reflect on what you've done that year and where you've taken your life and what paths you've gone down in just kind of reflect on. Are you on a path that you like. It can really set your intention to get back on path back on track to where you wanna go or it can reaffirm that you are doing things the way that you want like you see fit this right. I was listening to an interview of guy who started an organization called eighty thousand hours and he shares the concept of. When you go out to eat at a restaurant you spend maybe one percent of your time thinking about where you actually want to eat. And then the average career we spend eighty thousand hours working. What if we spend one percent one percents now a lot of that time thinking about what we actually want. And then you expand that to you know how many hours you live a life. What have you actually just just one percent thinking about. What do you want to accomplish with with your time here that were given so. That's yeah that's why we wanted to do this. Yeah so going back to the cotton. We've got our coffees. We got our tease. We got everything to kind of hunker down for a while. We had a piece of paper and pencil. I remember pen up and we just wrote in what we did is. This is gonna sound strange but we divided into categories inter. That's right so the different categories our finances travel family friends marriage health and fitness philanthropy. Home business faith and personal. Now you can add subtract. Do everyone to that category list. But that's where we started and again. This is our first year. And i put my phone. I set a timer. I said okay. We'll give five minutes to every category and we're going to start. The clock in a soon is five. Minutes is up. You're going to stop but within those five minutes under one category. Whether we start with finances are home. I want you to write what your vision is for this next year. What do you want. what do you want your home life to look like. What is your house. Look like have you changed. You know the piece of artwork on the wall right inside the front door. Are you still. Is your master bedroom in the same place. How is your lifestyle looking at home this year and you have five minutes to write that and we did so i love. I love the approach. Because you know they say you. Did you learn what you really want. The moment that you have to make the decision right so like you know when the coin flips in the air and i if i was to tell you have to make a decision by the time this ends like you you kind of learn to the five minute time cap was helpful for us and then and then we started doing the intervision which essentially fast forward a year from now twelve months from now and you have different goals kind of is how we got to that end of your vision which is like. Hey we want to you know. Make sure that we host people once a week or we wanna add photographs of the front hallway actually write a paragraph almost like walking through. Hey sean and i had such a fun. Time like hosting people and we had x. y. and z. Dinner and we got this grill to whatever like paint the picture of what it looks like. If you were to actually achieve the goals you wrote down. And i feel like a lot of times i was. I don't wanna say victim of this. But i have made this mistake year after year where i would sit down to write resolutions and i will get so overwhelmed that i was writing my life future and what this mentor had said to us is stop trying to plan out your life and plan your next year. Plan out your next day and then at the end of that year. Let's let's see where we've finish we've crossed and where we've ended and if you like it continue and make morals that had that direction if you don't like where you ended up let's say okay tomorrow instead of hanging the picture on the wall. Let's say the picture down and you something completely different. It's just keeping it into that vision of. What do i want this year to look like. I think really simplified stuff for us and allowed us to kind of paint this picture of a life that we wanted. Yeah so i would say you know. They say you overestimated we can do in a day but underestimate what you can do in a lifetime. Yeah and it's not so much about like actually maybe achieving the goals as it is the fact that you're putting yourself on a path and you're being intentional with your time and with your day kinda just exit you from the monotony of going through the motions of life and interview into. Oh let me actually think about how. I spend my time and what i what i wanna do this week. And if you were to do the things you must love in life what would that be. You know so to finish out the process we would do this. We would set the clock for five minutes and we go into the five minutes is up. We take a little breather separate. Little coffee are tea and then move onto the next category. We did this until he finished. I think ten categories so it took us an hour and again it goes by so fast. 'cause you're just so i don't sucked in by your dreams and then after we were done took another little breather and there like okay. Let's set the clock again. We'll give each other five minutes but let's talk through our goals. Tell me everything you wrote down under your marriage category. What do you see for us. What do you want. What our goals. What do you want a better. What do you wanna stop doing. And let's combine our goals to be like a unified vision of how we can support each other to succeed this past this next year. And that doesn't mean me sacrificing goals. It's it could be like. Hey i'm going to help sean. Achieve this goal that she said out it was things like maybe andrew wrote. Let's hosts people six days a week and be like okay you wrote you want to host people six days a week but i want to date nights a week and i wanna family night. So how can we compromise those two to make sure both six seeding within our goals so a couple of other things i i do wanna share some of our goals comfortable doing that. But i hear. I do So we'll get there this year I do kinda want to explain the full process that we go through. So sean mentioned the five minutes. She mentioned the the eleven different categories. A couple of other things i do recommend doing is if you have a spouse or significant other. Do this with them. For that exact purpose sean was saying of like being able to understand each other better and support each other in a really different and meaningful way Sean and i also pray before we start we think that's an important component just to make sure that you know we're not just doing this out of selfish motive of we we like to kind of Welcome outside wisdom and so we do hope that we Approach it in that way A wh one way to think about goals is like maybe you start with what you want change. What are disgruntled with now or things that you want to grow on If you're some it's it is sometimes hard to when you're looking at your first year of trying to set goals and a blank sheet of paper you're like i don't know just started about things. Start thinking about things well to change. And if you don't mind me interjecting. Here i will say when are when we did this for the first year in two thousand eighteen we. We got very intimidated by how much we wanted and we wanted to change. I feel like we loved the process and we were so we are so inspired by each other's dreams and where we wanted our lives to go. But i remember in two thousand eighteen our sheets of paper being such a drastic difference to the life. We were actually living and we had all of these things that we wanted to do differently than we were doing. Then in during that next year during two thousand nineteen we worked so hard to achieve all of those goals that when we sat down to do our goals for twenty twenty and then twenty twenty one. It was like i can't think of anything on a chain meaning meaning. The first year of setting goals was really difficult. Because we'd never done it before but the second year was really kinda minor tweaks. Yeah i think a lot of that. Sorry i keep interrupting you. I have always I think a lot of that goes to you. Can you can make the mistake of living life with no intention was really just kind of saying yes. No not those split-second decisions day but if you truly right down a path for yourself and a goal it just makes you start living a life that you actually want. Yeah and that would be. My next step is One thing that really helped sean. I is say our first year when we saw goals we said we wanted to do date night every thursday night. So literally in our schedule you put in like in our icon or schedule. We put in From five to nine pm on thursday nights is booked so now any time someone asked me. Hey andrew can you. Can we do a call at five pm thursday. I look at my schedule and actually no. I can't because i'm busy. And i have a tangible like almost excuse. Two point two But as john was kind of discussing about debriefing if this is your first time doing this do spin like thirty minutes. Kind of just reflecting over the past year and patting yourself on the back for milestones. That have gone well and then like also discussing the thing like the tough things but we again. It's i know it's past the new year. It doesn't matter when you do this just as long as you do this. You know and. I think another way to simplify it. We kind of changed that up. This year is those five minutes that you a lot for each category split that in half do a two and a half minute timer for what you liked about this past year and what you want to change and then the next two and a half minutes say what you want this next year look like it is really fun now that we we just have one google doc of all this stuff and go through. When we do our debrief of the previous year we go through and make notes of k. You know we did an awesome job of this or you know. We wanted to travel. We'll talk about a travel goals but we went to x. y. and z. Location and we accomplish this and it's just like it's so fun to be able to reflect and like to pause because otherwise you could just literally get swept up in the next thing I think one of my favorite goals that we made in two thousand twenty was date night because it was a huge year for us. We were pregnant. We were having our first child. Our life was getting ready to be turned upside down for the better but be turned upside down and we made this goal in december of two thousand nineteen. We said i wanna do a date night. Every week every thursday and no joke even with having a baby even within nine ten months pregnant i would guess we made forty eight of the fifty two and i think the the four we missed. Were over the holidays for thanksgiving and christmas. We did it. And that's been one of the most fulfilling things so lets share some of our goals. Let's go through for two thousand twenty one. What our goals when it comes to finances charley. Yeah we're going to kind of we want share. All of our ins and outs obviously go into taxes. We go into how much we want to contribute in a year so we listed off our different projects which is like social media the unicorn coffee teddy bear and then our other residual projects and wrote down exactly financially how much we would like to earn. Okay so i wrote tangible figures for each of those and the google doc well and to give a point that too when you're talking about finances something we did this year was we looked at you. Know what we made this year for each company we compared that to the amount of effort or the sacrifice that it took from our family and we would say okay with this business. We overextended ourselves too much that it ate into our family time so our goal. This year is to make the same amount of money but in more organized manner so we don't sacrifice that family time or there were some some places where we said i. I'm not making half of that just because it sacrificed too much so important thing to do Then we also said other people we'd to that note of not wanting to sacrifice family. Hey are there other people. We can include to help manage Or with these projects and we again we went through and each project. We have going on the coffee. The teddy bear Children's zion the social media. We kinda listed. Hey we'd somebody really needs to help at the manufacturing side of things or or the shipping side of things. I remember that ban goal for twenty twenty. We wanted to find fulltime childcare and that was a huge station. We had because i wanted to be a stay at home mom but i also really wanted to work and we thought the best way. We could succeed as a family was to find someone to help us. One of the things we said was start paying quarterly taxes. At one point we were just paying the lump sum at the end of the year. A lot of stressors so stressful We also wanted to this past year. We gave over three hundred and fifty thousand dollars together with our community and we set that goal at five hundred thousand dollars Which i would love to reach that goal. Half a million dollars and a huge goal of ours to just given our family believes was to be able to give majority of that to a christian foundation. Yeah and then we also wanted to contribute to things like life insurance and retirement thing. So i do you remember that hold of that was a huge goal of ours in twenty twenty as we were aimlessly roaming around the financial world. We didn't know how to just do anything into go on. 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We did us We wanted to take one mission trip to tijuana to help with my Brothers organization called hope sport where they build houses for impoverished. Let's talk about family. Yeah so one of our goals was to have a weekly and monthly schedule so like literally print off a large block calendar and write off any weddings or like you know like The holiday travel. We're going to have to do right on the calendar just so we have a better idea of what our time looks like. We did for the first time in twenty twenty because we kept finding ourselves being put in these situations where you get so wrapped up in work and you'll get so wrapped up with your daily schedule that something will come up. Whether it's a friend's wedding or a trip. We supposed to go on or an event pin to be like. Oh i completely forgot about it or t busy. It's two minute we can't go in so in twenty twenty print out an entire twelve months calendar in row everything on there to make sure that we prioritize our family and our friends in our community over work. We said only eat out. Let's see twice a week. Yeah because well with a new baby this past year we did a lot of postmates too much and so a goal is to kind of get off that and start cooking again yes Switch health insurance was one of family going on. Nfl and we really got to get our own. We also wrote down that we wanted to get pregnant again. Okay so let's move on to friends then we wanted to do. Let's we wanted to use our jim. Have someone come over and use our. Jim socially distanced safe at least twice a week. So funny thing about that. We literally became the kovic gym. Where it's in our basement and because all gyms are shut down all of our closest friends they would literally book a time of day star. Malik to people so they would book a time of day and you would hear them come in and they would come in with their own like cleaning rags and lysol and they would work and lysol everything down and then we also mentioned in friends that we want to find one of our friends girlfriend. Yeah boss anything girls there. We got a great friend for you. We do so. Let's move on to marriage so we wanted to hit forty five out of fifty two possible date nights so there's fifty two weeks we wanted to go on a date night. Forty minutes the first of all already. I got six more to miss We wanted to do our morning devotional hs five times a week. That's been something that takes ten fifteen minutes but goes such a long way until like just making sure. Sean i actually have a conversation about a good topic Every day we wanted to go to marital counseling twice this year. We had sex goals. We we we everyday with it and then we also mentioned our monthly checkups which we've talked about before every month. We go to a coffee shop or we just get out of the house. We sit down and we say okay. This is a safe space. What did you know. I do right this month. And what did i do wrong. Not necessarily right and wrong but and it's not goals this literally just like. Hey it's a it's a time where you can have hard conversations of sean. You hurt my feelings when you said this or i really been struggling with. Could you help me with laundry or just anything. Just fair game to put it on the table. We had health and fitness goals We wanted the gym to be used by someone daily that includes us and then also the two friends we're talking about I wanted to. I'm doing america. Ninja warrior fingers crossed and one of the drop down to two hundred fifteen pounds For that i wanted to finish in the top ten percent of the cross it open and then i have other things as well. You had some certain goals but maybe more private for you more private for you. Let's go on. Let's go onto philanthropy. Well share your end of year. Now well you to this. I don't know how to talk about your health and fitness goals. I can share them. Michael is to get pregnant this year to have a baby in to do all within a healthy weight kind of range which was a big goal withdrew so i wanted to stay within like a thirty pound weight gain. I guess it's just the way you say it. And then i also wanted to have a healthy postpartum. Making sure that i took enough time post-partum to heal my body and then slowly got back into the gym and got my body back to like pre baby weight philanthropy. We mentioned the mission trip. We mentioned the the total donations with our live stream events that we would like to donate which was five hundred thousand dollars and we wanted to do three charity events We've been invited to certain things wives. They have to see how that pans plastic to that virtual or impersonal et based off the year. So whether it's tim t boz night to shine reggie bush's Would love to do that for home. We are working on the content house. that project. We would like that to kind of be done by the end of the year to be done. Because we're moving our whole workspace from this house over to the content house and we are doing a whole youtube series on that so you can subscribe to the main channel for that. We wanted to finish the upstairs landing to be a playroom and move it out of the man cave wanted to finish the nursery right. Switch out the master bedroom stuff. Yes jurors room upstairs and then get the garage organized. An ad four pieces of art for faith again. Some of these. You'll notice kind of we doubled it we're gonna do. The devotional is five times a week. We wanted to go. Ideally church in person. Once a week again i wanted to read six faith-based books over the year interview to passers over the year i went to read four bucks a year. I have such a hard time turning my mind off. So i love reading books. But when i'm so preoccupied like mom stuff and it just is really hard for me to turn my brain off so my goals for for business. We wanted to help. Our coffee team grow for unicorn We wanted to prioritize. Teddy embarrassed children's line. We have some really fun things going on with that and then just like really is really special for us. We'd also we'd also like to get help for our podcast. Shows like in the form of a producer of some type just to really give you guys the best experience. So if you guys have any recommendations on that senate our way and then sean also wanted to write a book this year. S working on it right. We've to more personal and kids so on personal now. I wanted to read four books total over the year improve my scheduling and then continue listening. Weekly to a couple of my favorite podcasts. And i feel like really helped me learn about certain things. I wanted to start a monthly because andrew has monthly guys night impersonal virtually. We'll see yes yes. I can't read from sorry and then read. Read the four bucks year this right. Yes you forgot this. One can't read it baby there. Oh i wouldn't. I wanna mommy makeover. And by the way brows and lashes. I get it and then for kids. We wanted to figure out she's supposed to be going to daycare ish. She starts school kinda drew. Which is we'll see finish swim lessons. Yeah got cut. Short last year would like to do to new experiences a month for her so whether it's like she's never been to a movie theater. Whatever daddy valentine's breakfast and then read at least one book a day for doing pretty good and that's right and then potentially sound for baby number two but that are those are kind of specific slash vague depending on what the topic was goals for twenty. Twenty one Look you just gotta write it down. we we do hope that this episode inspires you. Change your perspective in some in some degree or some capacity shannon. I truly believe that you were made to change the world and you have talent and experiences and nobody else has and so If this episode encourages one person to take a step closer to what they were made to do. Then we'll consider it a success and when it comes to couples sometimes it is hard to share your dreams and to be that vulnerable but the best thing you can do is let your significant other support you in whatever your dreams are and whether no matter how vulnerable it is or how hard it is to share. Let them be your biggest cheerleader. Because it truly helps you bow succeed as a couple and kind of see your dreams come true. Listen more thankful for you. Thankful that you took the time to listen And if you feel so-called then please subscribe to show and give it a rating on whatever platform Love to see you. Stick around and continue. Get your feedback. That's all we got for you. Thanks for listening. 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Person Of Interest Special

Sci-Fi Talk: The First Season

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Person Of Interest Special

"Kevin, J Anderson and you're listening to sci-fi Talk. This is Tony Tomato and welcome to my person of interest special taped ear comic con and I up our Kevin Chapman who has lionel fusco in Jim Caviezel who is John Reese the gentlemen talk about the trials and tribulations of shooting series in New York City, a one of my favorite stories that I may have told this at at the event was. FUSCO in reese having a private conversation, the public place. Where approximately six inches from each other. we had to cameras going sixty five crew members. And a little old lady walked right between the two of us. With an elbow in the way is if I was in her way and just kept on walking. So that was in season one. So that was kind of the first the first time that we out in in in the streets of New York, and it was kind of like, okay, this is what we're up. A lot of times you know cameras are hidden. To can't see them they'll be crossed the street. And We. I was I remember his. Had My trenchcoat on. Some. Person came over. Completely block at camera and said I love your show while while I'm on. Race. Are finch in say turn around your candid camera. On his comparison to reese to darth. Vader, mentioning to great blaming a writer I said. A lot of people with Dr Feeder the Maybe because he ends. Becomes good the end. So maybe recess they're similar to that Carrington very dark and can. Hopefully and good. Where where do you? Where do you think FUSCO is at the beginning of issue I mean has got kind of like the cloud of HR cincy panel defied them. Yeah. I mean fossils kind of be swimming in a tankful of HR and he's he's the only one left at the precinct cars you know has been sent out to become chairman. Once again, she's been devoting so Fusco knows that that then Qatar's. Out For revenge she seeking revenge for the loss of her of her boyfriend So you know I think. The relationship dynamic has definitely changed In in a FUSCO has a level of. Unpaid gratitude. Takada for her Her support in end of season two when things got real doctors plus going we weren't. Quite sure he was make it. So the other side so I you know I think the thing that Fusco is looking to do he's trying to to be a friend and be as supportive to. Knowing that HR is now in business with the Russians, which which kind of elevates the level of danger. and he just wants to. Be Support as he can. And and try to help her in this task but also prevent you from. Getting them both hunter. And for John It's like please as a new team member, but the machine is kind of all over the place now so. Finch I assure what they're going to be doing with the numbers are coming in and all that. So it's a long certainly for him to. Johnson. People say in business. He Tag. and. You know. The person the number comes up going to be doing some killing. He'll take care of that. Victim or the PERP. Whoever the bully Savelli. Can. She. Can Go. Wrong Common ground there to supplement. She's people in an arm and things like that. Because he jen. But that doesn't mean he will keep doing. So you can go to. Kevin Chapman discusses the logistics of shooting the episodes in New York and how that all works it it just depends on what's being shot that day. So production may be there. We may be on a day off, we may be on a splinter urinate or we may be doing insert. So it's really do, Thursday. We work at night so I don't remember. I worked Thursday I was seeing now Thursday I was at the studio on Thursday always at studio Thursday and Friday I'm doing tennis and Song on one episode of the other. So we're all we're all we hit. Our production is a nine day period, nine workdays per episode but using the ninth today, it's a tandem unit. So what we're doing with finishing your last day of say episode one in, we're starting the first day of episode to on that on that night day there's always a double unit gone. You know so as I say, sometimes you'll. You'll shoot you know to scenes in the first unit. And then you'll have like an hour break and then you'll have to. Recall them. Go completely across town to the other unit in shoot to scenes there you know. So it just depends on with what's happening and You know it's very challenging shooting in New, York really is but it so vibrant and it in a really is new is really a character in the piece. I don't really know that president interests has the same level of success anywhere other than your because it is such a city. It's so transient people constantly coming and going in from all walks of life you know. Different languages and. Cultures, and you know. So that's that's what's so important in a gives the writing staff such such a broad canvas, the paint. in the span of walking standing. Street. SPENT, five minutes ten different languages. Kevin. Chapman on the most interesting place in New York that they shot some scenes in all. That old. Kind of receiving facility where everyone was supposed to go before the titanic. Capsized. That we shot at this. It's kind of a receiving hall where we're a lot of the shifts would come in in everyone would kinda grab their bags and everything. It was like a like a terminal terminal that was the Volturno where all the people on the titanic we're supposed to go when with no before the before the ship sunk, they were all when they pulled into New York port they were all supposed to go there to get their bags and you know so that was that was kind of cool. It's it's you know since closed down and it is primarily used for. Filming. Purposes right. Now. A little little pieces of history like that I. Think a pretty cool places they come in on the flashbacks used on the series to showcase characters, background or plot point. More more turns more. More letters now? Is Much. With John, there's way more dimensions. Back momentum or he he would sit there and his brother would look at. A Batman an earlier. Thing of it and saying you know it feels like shooting in studio and it doesn't feel like I. Really believe this world. They have an element of bringing something alive. The. Cinematic quality to it. and. Lighting and all the textures you see in movies and I don't. Play them in said in John had never done this before. So he did he set the bar coding. Dang high. He brought brought me and I was used to all of that one x tour. So in order to to get that You have to I guess now. If you have to. Multiple? Stories. Levels dimensions being able to go left or it becomes so predictable. The back stories of? Fascinating. just my relationship with. FUSCO. Reading the script. He talked about and this is true like the. CIA Guy Operative. Would you know to get people to turn your way? You are are they into? Sex Drugs of power. What is there? Thank can you buy them if you can buy them, you have to dispose them she cannot trust them. And so this guy is viable. And that is how people vast how? Your because I. Think there are things about him that he really likes. But that one thing. John. Thing about him. That keeps kept him. Alive is the fact that he is glasses half mt approach with human beings. What's what's it been like your relationship You know which finch have that's really evolved that must've been fun to play from the beginning to where you are. Now it's it's quite an arts really interesting. Now, it all be their day that I met Michael Emerson. Him and I met I don't know if you know opening sequence. Where we walked down a dark alley and returning each other in silhouette shot. That's where literally walking down the street getting to know each other it's all off. There's no script they're just fascinating meant I never watched lost. was always working. So, You know would finally get to meet each of those when our first conversations we ever had just walking down. Getting to know each other and. been fined two guys more left than right. But it it works and we work as. His people are one of the one of the things that makes show. So interesting is that if you the line each casper up shoulder to shoulder not chasms live. And I think. That's what makes it. Everyone brings their own little dynamic to to to the thing I would I think Fusco does is I think Fusco gives you a sense of of gravity it grounds it round the entire piece for that Garrick because just the simple fact you have this this CIA operative we have this billionaire you don't really know how much money has you have this this this cop who has military background, but not really quite sure what our military background is in these. These are all characters that could very easily takes lightened into a place of disbelief. You know when you see these characters and you see them unfold, then you see this this Schlep of a copy of. Ice I see that he you know that that kind of looks real the rest of it looks real and it and it kind of brings the entire. Down it gives it keeps it keeps to a place of of of of levelness. Retention I thought that is what the I think. It's great and even you know that one of my favorite scenes in the entire series this far as the pilot where were Fusco in Greece I meet in the car and Fuscos, take him out. To kill him and and you know he, they're laughing the each. FUSCO thinks he's GonNa kill him and recess going you have no idea what you've got in store for you and that whole compensation is great in you know. You're talking about a bunch of characters that none of really everyone in this cast is trust me. Every CASTORAMA is has has trust issues of some of some sort you know so I'll just Kinda Mash together. All works you now. Kevin Chapman says that fusco is definitely owed some supermodels. We don't I actually I. Had a conversation with David Slack and we we were talking about something specific and I reminded him that he owes Fusco a supermodels episode. So we're going at right now. That was a blast now. I want to reach and. Thank you is awesome show. I'll have more of my look at a person of interest and you can get this and so many other podcasts as part of my premium service. Eventually, this episode will be on premium only, and this only can be heard of you subscribe. It's my podcast has my premium podcasts over four hundred available podcast and special programmings like on the red carpet sci-fi talk monthly and also. Conversations with launches. Later on this month, it's only a dollar ninety, nine, a month, six months or only four, ninety, nine, and a year is only seven ninety, nine visit sci-fi talk. Dot Com click on the premium button and their go to the premium page and enroll and I hope you'll join me and other subscribers of sci-fi talk premium and next up is to reach P. Henson who is detected joss Carter. I don't know if we love it. We do but it's she's in a kind of strange place right now. but. I kind of see that would John and fincher doing of. Pulling her to do it fulltime is that in my on the right track? For her, to be, in, uniform, no to Leave and work with them Actually, she learned from the best she learned from her Angel Reese and she has a bone to pick with HR HR is killed a few people that she really cared about, and they're the reason why she's a uniform. She's doing a lot of this stuff road you know like. Like recent and fench I think at the episode you guys are probably seeing so far. Don't know that she has Elias hitting somewhere. Right? We have right. So I honestly don't think that they would be too happy about that but again, she learned from the master. She's kind of a loner right? Pretty much all the characters are like that. They're loners and That's why they work so well together. Because they understand how to move in that space. You know again, Carter she just. She's good down to the core. And she wants good. If there's anything she can do to right a wrong situation she'll do it. I. think that's why audience loves her because at the end of the day. If you want the truth you you look to Carter 'cause, she'll give it to you. You know she's the she's. The last of a dying breed our. Executive. Producer Greg. plag- on the shows direction into season three. Well, you know certainly we knew movie nights moving timeslots. It's always difficult. Show becomes a little bit vulnerable. But we wanted to we wanted to bring new viewers the show. So there was there was a certain amount of resetting here. What are these characters do we had to opening action vignettes where you know you see shaw with Chappie with Fusco and Carter comes upon after the car crash and like who are these characters with and we see your walk up in the uniform so It was a little bit of resetting their reminding the audience where everyone was at and I think the difficult part of a show broadcast television is that. You want to be able to tell stainless towards will we also want to tell larger serialized art and so if we can do the resetting within the drama itself, great as opposed to everyone trying to watch recap because my understanding is people just tune out in one the recaps come on you wanna be able to tell that bigger story and that's kind of show we are and but we want everybody on board. We've never wanted to show that totally alienates new viewers because they can't figure out what's going on. We'll never get new viewers so. we cut. Delicate balance delicate balance between the stand alone and serialized. Now is there a plan for this series beyond season three percent? We know that we know the way to show. Love working with Clarke Peters. Has Nasal scenes coming you guys are GonNa see her with her and Clarke Peters. Is just get a character Robert John Burke was Casper one episode, and we're like we got to have this guy back and he just he is so great like every time that guy comes on screen step that Mug. So threatening it's so funny because he's he mentioned to me as well as amy they're like the sweetest people or. People stop on the street and they're like. She's like, I mean, we have woman on the subway today said something like. Don't you try to iron. Amy's like Disney snow wise. So a lot of fun when people pop like that, we try to bring them back and develop further storylines. I think that's why she plays because she's. She's personally my favorite character because she's the bad guy you you love to hate and and that's very difficult to play. That's very very that's a fine line to walk as she does it effortlessly and I just love watching her. Really good because she's so sneaked she plays that's why you love that bad that woman is Kuku but she does it so well. But then you wonder is she crazy where my crazy? Sue. Makes you question your own vanity? Yes. Yeah. Absolutely. That's a whole nother element when the. When the machine called up John, I think for finch on the John on the phone and when it started talking to, my says, Oh, this show is winning. This is not a police procedural. A never. Put that back in the box. Definitely. Here's Greg plagman on detective joss Carter's backstory I. There's some flashbacks coming up with TERACHI's character. that we're GONNA find out about her personal past never met. Father of her child. I think it's a really important. Storyline in terms of understanding who she is and how she got four she is today. We also shot some material with Michael Emerson L. Finch. His character, some background stuff, but we jam so much into these episodes that sometimes we wind up having to cut it and we're going. We shot despite the great thing was Richard Lewis who used to got producer director shot those and he's coming back to direct an episode. So we're GONNA use the same material in his episode coming up. So I'm really excited about having him back. Yeah. I'm GonNa tell you what it is but yeah, we can't wait to see it. Trust me blow away. At. Boards. No, you'll. Just you'll. You'll. You'll empathize with her and you'll. You'll understand how? She's become who she is and how she operates. You you'll. You'll have a better understanding for WHO Carter is. Sympathize already I mean she's been through a lot. It's IT'S BEEN A. There's more Sifi Talk. So stay tuned. Here's more sci fi talk with Tony Tamalada I mean we're. Getting exposed to the whole thing that John and doing. She has a she has a moral line and she has to walk. To play that's got to be wrong. It is a lot of fun. It's tough though, but it's a lot of fun. It's a lot of them. You know it's. Like I said, it's great to be on his show I say this over and over again where you can totally trust the writers I mean I totally trust them i. just jump in with my eyes closed I don't even worry because I know. I know that they have every characters best interest at heart. You know they really do and stuff to come up with. It's just hard. You know I've been doing this for over a decade I received some purchase scripts and like especially on television you know stuff to sort of like bubble gum. It's you know and and when I got the script gotta remember in the in the pilot Carter was barely in it but I just knew that it was something special I was like, Whoa. People are ready for this and I at that time I had no idea what he's going all of these incredible ideas all I know is when I receive that restricted red. Secret script that was hand delivered to me I had to sign for. Over like what am I signing here? But It's just been a great journey. It really has a great I. I. Actually I love to feature films, but I feel like I'm shooting a feature every week. and. Like you don't. I. So grateful to our actors because we give them. So little sometimes and they fill in the lines with things I remember the first seen. Tragic did in the pilot with Jim where she sits down with his character and she says, and the way she's talking to him you feel like she knows him or she knows someone just like him and and she made those connections right up front and that sorta became like the special relationship in the show that's continued and I was reminded of it again, this week on the set when I came and it was it was really cool I got a little chill like flashbacks shooting the pilot was a nightmare. Hail everything he. Can't. Believe. It's great and these guys are awesome that they're willing to take that leap and accept that and say you know what Gray area in my character that I'm not sure about its still ambiguous to me but it doesn't. It doesn't limit them and You know we've been we've been really. With defining Carter's back story. And it's something we want to get into this year. I think it'll be really rewarding fence I always like say like what Fans WanNa know something is kind of like. Do they really because it's like my wife, she doesn't want me to go where you WanNa go to dinner. She wants me to tell where we're dinner. She wants to be surprised she wants to be swept away and I think that's how everyone feels about storytelling. We'll get are these moods buddy. You'll swear. Accuser. Carter being a single mother did that. My life influenced that at all. That I always wondered that I was like I didn't even know about you. I guess you did know. Only that coming up. and. Like you're staying with your grandmother tonight that's like this sounds like something. I wrote that own. So. What do you do? Like? You're a cop you're single mom what do you do even thought about that and seeing coming up with Fusco I'm like how's he going to go out? He's got a kid. How does that work I? Mean you always gotTa, have childcare I guess. It's hard. You know and I think the sort of. Speaks more to the strength. Carter's character understand that she could juggle all that and handle that. It just makes her that much stronger material was sort of saw your character as kind of the the compass of the show she's actually. You've actually his point man, the least gray character and understanding where she's coming from what she believes about right and wrong whereas recent doing done some stuff. You know. So but it's becoming very interesting about her character now is that. In. The vendetta that she has against hr is is putting her out on a limb and. You gotta live in a basement. We will never have seen that from Carter I think in the first season just she's she's been doing. Desperate things and how certain is Carter on her action I think cars very clear on everything. She's doing I. Don't think she questioned any of her motives once she decided this has to be this has to happen. She went forward. You know you gotta understand underneath it all. It's the right thing to do maybe she's going about it in A. Not? So. What do you call it a legal way, but it's something that must be done. Because in her heart of hearts, this is where she met the man in the suit. He's taught her sometimes you gotTa bend the rules to save a life you know and at the end of the day she's is a cop to the core and she's GonNa save a life no matter what by any means necessary. She did it for the right reason and also she was pushed. I mean, she's the animal backed into a corner she's coming out. You know. He's great to watch. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. I. Really appreciate. Next, upper amy acker Sarah. Hey. Great. Loving what you ladies are doing on that show. That scene with the psychiatrist for you rank, you break them down to the corner. It was like I'm going with my wife looking at each other like. WHOA. Yeah. That was I read that lot of Laga. May. Writing so good. What like to get inside her head? She's I'm well first of all. It's great that you're on. You're going beyond the you know the whole season guest starring she kind of belongs it will be. Interesting because I am not a computer person I you know I'm. Barely. Check my emails and. All of that. So there's a lot of times that I was reading it and I was like I have no idea what I am talking about or what I'm saying and I was googling up one of my lines that was in the last episode because I was like, what am I talking about and then all this stuff came up about The singularity and all of that stuff. So then I went through that rabbit hole of reading and watching all of those movies. So now I kind of like, oh I, I sort of see what she's. which she's talking about. And it's scary in the way because I'm because it really might happen I mean they're very smart people who believe all this stuff that she believes is going to happen and so. When I say she's not crazy I. Think I like protecting myself for later when people are like you thought you were crazy now that will happen. Your character. She was actually when you were introduced last year I said I really hope that they finger into the team door was open. And what I'm seeing from her is that there's great opportunity for some humor like in the first episode. oops. Kill the guy. What's it like to be Kinda part of the team end and to had those moments? Yeah. No, it's good. She definitely, she adds a different dynamic to the recent finch. She's kind of a mix of both of them in some way and and You know. She's she's. She won't fully commit herself to the team I don't think she'll committed herself to anybody because you know at this point, she's a man without a country I mean her own country turned against her and. So I think you know A. Being with these guys, it serves a dual purpose I mean one it's it's to protect herself keep your friends close keep your enemies closer and you know I think the other part of it is You know she's a soldier she is an advocate of the machine because she knows machine does good and she's there to carry out whatever orders it is that finch gives her but I don't think she'll ever fully join the team. You know she's a she's a lone wolf and she likes to be kept that way but they are teaching her how to be a polite assassin. Shooting the kneecaps. So far of the stuff that we've shot there isn't episode it's episode five, which I guess is not this Tuesday for the. Next Tuesday we see a small crack veneer and. Something happens that gets her a little bit and. It's also a flashback episode. You get to see shaw when she was younger and why she became the way she is. Amy. It's kind of funny. But in some ways, your character is kind of like. An opposite d'appel Ganger to Michael Emerson's character. And when you're together that relationship is like, wow, watching the two of you so. Because we have. We care about the same thing that from different different ways. So I think. A lot of this year is actually kind of how's that going to connect and if one of us, oh, go more towards the other direction. So is there more Shakespeare planned with Josh Sweden frame e I got a call from from John's the other day saying he wanted to do another reading which we hadn't done since before much reduced so he must be. He must be getting deep into vendors to either Shakespeare. I love all the comedies. Twelfth night. Or I love. Midsummer. I I'm not picky with them. They're they're also good. I just love saying those words. Getting Stu those parts especially with good friends like that. What Superhero would you ladies be? If you could any, she's not a superhero but Salt. I Love Evelyn Salts and I love I'm infatuated with Angelina Jolie. So That one yeah. Shows came I superior. Nice. She really did want. Any. Issue and she can eat a steak. I'll say shop. Be. Here. When I. You also comment on the series flashbacks I. You know I don't know I i. don't know maybe a little bit of both you know really I mean it's. On one hand sometimes, there's a part of me that I don't want to. I. Don't WanNa know too much I just WanNa. Know you know what my character knows and then I kind of fill in. That's pretty much what I do is I make my own scenarios and then and then and then join a rights as flashback to go why was off you know so so but but I do like the flashbacks because not only is it a nice treat for us actress to get to see how our characters originated but it fills into missing holes too. Yeah I I mean I really like watching them. So I get excited when we have him in episode because. I just think. It's a nice little part, the show and. There's been some lines in teens that Michael and I have had lately that have come up. It seems like there's going to be a flashback of FAB. I just knew her main channel. Yeah, it'll be fun to see I. Mean it was fine when they had me as a little girl, it's just always find being. Miniature. What's interesting too is Shaw's relationship with John. You. Think he sees a little bit of himself in, Shaw? Absolutely. Absolutely. Show returns that because I think there's a emotional. Stillness about Shaw. There's there's immaturity in some way but Yeah. He definitely she I really do believe that she is the mix of. Finch and reese and He definitely see some of herself and they both have a lot of characteristics even that that lone. Wolf, Lone soldier aspects you know they're not really people people. They can yeah they're mirrors in some ways. What about the end of the series and finally finding where the machine is and were their characters would be at that point for me I, want it to be me and Sarah. We move the show to Hawaii. I. Yeah and we're. They're drinking. The Dog. For that. Yeah. Yeah. It's hard to think of it ended. It's. Just really unraveling. There's a lot to find out before then. Amy, what's been cool as watching you liked. Guest starred on to and. That was neat. It was you know all the Josh Sweden fans were watching you on that saying hey, it's nice to kind of have visit that territory again David worked on. What was that like to kind of do that as guess? He know it made me feel guilty that I wasn't not that I was mean to them, but I wasn't as A. That was the first time I'd really has prosthetic nine and so I thought about all the people who on angel had days and days of prosthetics and. We complained and I'd be like, Oh, it's fine and then I was like, no, that really is not that fun. And then I had the old person and I was like, Oh, I don't want to live like that when I'm old. It was interesting. Sarah saw he talks about her research for Shaw. I, you know the research I've done When I first got the role I had about two weeks of eight hours a day. They there was a military advisor that kind of became my coach and I have such a crush on this and I love him so much. His name is James Deeper and You know he's like sixty years old but built like Arnold. Season Credible and. Yeah, and we did a lot. It was like a crash course in like training gun training weapon training knife training stunt fighting. It was that. So in La or here's I was in L. and a needed Newark lead both. And Yes, there was that and you know other than that. That's been pretty much it. the roles that I had before this. Even when I did play on it, really wasn't much to do like shocked by It was it was you know NBN NBC I was an NBC thought. It was a little different. Based in writing some good stuff for me. Yeah and I do most of mine. I'm always trying to argue with them and let them get to do more. You know like I want to be the one to dangle from the ceiling and to jump off the roof into wrestle shark into you know so and they're always having to tell me no, but these days. I'M GONNA get my way. Girl I'm also counting the days when she ends up breaking out of that place I. Think it's GonNa Happen You may. Think that didn't not just air. I think you're. Saying. Didn't ask. Do you know what her arts going to be this year up to discuss with. I don't know you may get more information than I, do. I think they have a plan they. Maybe. It's. So we don't. They don't trust us and we'll be sitting here telling you guys and then in episode eighteen. How. Does Amy acker find route and her complex relationship with the machine? I think the thing is, is that I have? I, kind of feel like I have that their hand because I have the machine in my ear so I think that's where the sort of smiling comes by that I, know I'm doing the right thing and maybe the religious aspect of it as well as that I feel like, i. Am my mission or are my. Point in life is, is to be the the carrier of her message kind of thing. So it, all make sense to me. Yeah, I think. So I think definitely I mean I think that's what sort of up until the end of last season I was trying to get contact with her and and now but the fact that she's come to me and reach out to me is sort of just telling me Oh what you all the stuff that you did in the past was right. You know this is it that you've been going down the right path and now closer to watch you. Can hear many years. Very special thanks to CBS look for person of interest on that network I believe it's actually moved I believe it's early in the week on Tuesday nights but definitely check your listings I. This is Tony Toledo, and thanks so much for listening to Sifi talk take care. Hello. This is Michael Emerson Long. Come I'm not crashing around in the jungle or performing and obscene experiment. I listened to sci-fi Talk. I hope you will too.

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* REPOST* 250: NIGHT OF THE COMET (1984) with ALENA ACKER & CHRISTOPHER GRONLUND

ScreamQueenz: Where Horror Gets GAY!

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* REPOST* 250: NIGHT OF THE COMET (1984) with ALENA ACKER & CHRISTOPHER GRONLUND

"This program is a proud member of unique voice unified unique voices learn more at unidos pods dot net hello my name's patrick and i must scream queen i'm a scream queen and seller you get my beautiful dreamers add well to another episode i'm going rip hard cast where a horror gets gay this is episode two hundred fifty what how did that happen i don't know but here we are in two nights i put this episode up for a vote why holiday movie am i going to cover and the response was not just overwhelming it was unanimous so you all better get ready because while the whole world is celebrating tonight it's the final romance because we're covering nine hundred eighty four of the comet and i'm going to be joined by superstars returning guests elena acker and christopher grundland from nine not about lumberjacks and we're gonna have super-duper good time yes serie bob so if you're new to this show please allow me to take a moment introduce myself my name is patrick walsh and twice a month every month i am your guide through the weird and wonderful world of harvey's but there is a catch you have to see them through my very very gay little is what does that mean i don't you know what it means where you're gonna just back and listen you'll figure it out so what's going on in scream queens headquarters while let's get it out of the way that smokes you watch you out at the dow what's going on with that cat narrow almost thing has been putting me through the ringer again because miss thin can't poop yes she's losing weight but as was geez all constipated and i thought it was gonna have to take it to vet 'cause she didn't poop for three days and then she didn't pay but everything's fine okay you know god forbid we have a quiet day with mucci isn't that right baby girl yes she's right here she's read it's weird the more weight she loses the more affectionate she gets and i'm not sure if that's just deployed get me to give her more food or not because if there's one thing cats a really good at its manipulation emotional manipulation net remedy to be ignorant and she bit me okay see this this this this is how it goes with her what's going on not a lot it's been quiet aches ever the fact that have my neighborhood burned down the other night i was very excited a couple of months ago i meant a couple of weeks ago rather i meant to talk about this on the last episode was that i was walking down queens boulevard bama how stupid do purdue purdue and there's an old radio shack remember radio shack went out of business and i saw lights ron i said that's where is radio shack open again except in the window were all sex toys and lingerie but the radio sign radio shacks on still up says it okay radio brand is selling dildos and teddy's now that's a really radical rebranding of your company policy but i approve but it was now the romantic depot but some of you may know it exploded the other night and burned out have my neighborhood in the process i'm fine the cats fine all the scream queens guest host that live in the neighborhood define elena acker was mine jason pinter fine they're all good but it's it's pretty grim is pretty crazy it's just nuts and smooch e tried to tell me i remember she was she was cheap freaked out that night woke me up but you try to she's running back and forth between me and the window and i just thought big fat pitching and showed up again but no no no no sunnyside was on fire city on fire catch frigging out baker pigeon is yelling at the moon at the end of the world yesterday any fire okay that's our show tune quote for the day and we're done with that the other thing i've got to go to the i went to go see i went to see head over heels on broadway head over heels is the go gos musical which was better than it sounds like the story was cute super l._g._b._t. positive it was kind of like a beach party with at the beach it was fun it was light it was fluffy but it also reminded me how bad ask the go go's work yeah you know your top forty goes hits but their other stuff particularly they're older stuff was grungy an angry and punks they they started with punk then they were great and they used a lot of that stuff so it's closing here soon but if it's coming on tour by you check it out check it out you'll feel good about yourself it's just a nice fun fluffy little show normally i don't care for jukebox shows but they went such deep cuts with music that they chose in the story was so far removed from what you'd expect from of show about the go go's that i forgot it was about the go go's but it's cute it's cute and ray harare for gay people herrera dro- power and horie for punk jax the other thing that happened was that braford mentioned to me at certain point that he never seen the rock cats that he's lived here for twenty years but he's never seen the radio city music hall christmas spectacular or would they really should call it if you wanna talk about rebranding they should call it the radio city musical christmas spectacular but they don't sue them so i found some cheap tickets and i took him for his christmas present and i haven't seen the show probably since i was twelve and this show has not changed in decades it's the exact same god damn whitey whitey white white white people show at a certain point i'm like oh my god what time does this cruise ship dock because i wanna get off the boat and you would think after all these years of doing this show they might at least acknowledged that there are other holidays going on at this time you know other religions and other cultures that are becoming more and more prevalent in the united states are celebrating things nope it's just all christmas down your throat all dime it's cute the rockets are great i mean when would it really boils down to get to see the rock cats perform end they are brilliant of course the thing that happened afterwards even better is that were walking through times square because the subways were fucked up because that's how it is these days and we're walking to time square and so women that we were passing just randomly ripped out a handful of extensions through them into bradford face and most of them went down his mouth and riddick is it sounded didn't stop me from making fun of him for the rest of the trip like they're probably taken root inside your throat rut now bradford they're going to probably like that zombie virus that you know the sink thing like those ants do whatever it is the carbon to answer the dull center controlling the beatles brains you know it's the same thing you're gonna have hair extensions burrowing into your brain bradford not that they'll have much to eat i don't think there's much else to talk about so why don't we get down to business because i got guest waiting and i am super excited to tell you all about my history with night of the comet there's a little gay tidbit that i've never shared on here that ties directly with this movie part of my growing up process my process from becoming a scared gay little boy one of my first steps into becoming these strong brave gay adult man you here before you now you know the one that was just making fun of somebody for having hair extensions growing to their brain that guy before we get going i would also like to point out that yeah you guys voted this movie in unanimously and that's cool but today based on a post they catherine mary stewart starve this movie put out herself that today december fourteenth is the day that the common arrived in the movie this certain point one of the radio people say that it's you know it's eleven more shopping days till christmas but since the radio station was playing i i don't know they did a whole bunch of math and they figured out that it was coming on december fourteenth which is today the day i'm releasing this also tonight in real time we are not only going to be visited by the christmas comet making its annual visit i forget what called damn calm that comes around once a year comment forty six p. win jannine jer went on but also there's the meters shower the jimmy music meteor showers starts tonight so we are all going to die but at least you're gonna die haven't heard me talk about night of the comet which clearly you all wanted to you're all getting your final wish let's all celebrate by listening to the trailer see you all on the other side when i say the other side i really mean the other side did you ever wonder what it would be like to be one of the last people on earth you see what would you do the end of the world makes me a little nervous would you get ready to find out because the comedy is coming into your over it illegal ages now ten let's be real might the comet night of the comet teenage comets vs teenagers rule the world night of the comet learn civilizations on us so normally when the holiday season rolls around you guys know i avoid talking about the holiday har- movies because at this time of year everybody's talking about them everyone's talking about the same damn movies at the same damn time and i don't want to be like everybody else but i dunno something came over me call it the spirit of the season but i left it up to you i give you a whole bunch of holiday heart movies and how'd you pick which one it was going to be and the winner was not only a landslide it was unanimous every single one of you who voted voted for the movie that we're going to talk about and i'm really happy did because this little feature has a very special place in my heart and a very special story which i don't tell very often but i'll be telling tonight and whenever i have big reveals what's the point of doing them alone so i have brought back not one but two superstar return guests one is the world famous actress who is in now also like crazy a i voice that might be coming human by any second my second and the other well he's got a beard on his face and he doesn't like lumberjacks chairman boys a hacker panthers great to be thank you for having us you're very welcome yeah so how'd you guys it's been a very long christopher it was like seems like five minutes ago but atlanta you haven't been hearing aid is what have you been up do most recently i helps ella andrea casio cortez get elected so that was a pretty big deal all right yeah i would not have known about alexandria court cortes at it not been for elena and your grassroots campaigning yeah yeah it was really tearing up business and i love every second of it she is yeah it's every everything she does i'm like yes and i just love that even after being elected she has just like stayed the same person that she always was but yeah i was someone who was out there like last march getting signatures on petitions for her and helping coordinate volunteers doing door knocking in our neighborhood people might not know but a hattrick and i live in the city neighborhood yeah but she lives on the nice side of the boulevard i live on the fancy side they're probably wondering what what does that mean elena is the voice of a._i. possibly becoming sentence i don't think there'll be any m cinci and happening anytime soon but i- jackie would've sent in a i would say we're definitely not living in a computer simulation going on i just did some explainer videos for i'm sign which is a type of financial software so that was super fun my until the world of voice over yes nice at speaking voice over hi christopher gras and how are you i am doing well like i said it's great to be back even though we recorded last august but that was for the run-up of alvin we've really did recur in august i know this yesterday christopher was part of the twenty one show podcast on marathon favorite i didn't knock tober and i started recording a million years in advance of anyway how are things over in the land of no lumberjacks the land of no lumberjacks it's doing well it's i did my first off oh drama recently just a one shot thing and michael halley who was also on the episode with me for dave made amaze he played my older brother on it so that was kind of fun to bring him back in again and i have stuff lined up for that and aside from that i'm just wrapping up a novel and just trying to survive life in texas did you hear that alantic just wrapping up a novel like something you do putting the last couple of letters on the page like you do loaf of bread quarter milk snowboarder novel you know i didn't get to says seven years ago so now i can just be like yeah you know right up novel it's it's nothing just been like seven years and all that stuff so no things are going well good for you if you now i forgot to mention that christopher is the host of the not about lumberjacks podcast now elena i mentioned you off the air that we'd come back to this christopher writes short stories which then he reads or has other people read on the air and what's the promise christopher the promise is i will never ever shera story about lumberjacks sit the first time i listened to this show i'm going okay so this is a story it's taking place at a lumber camp and a filled with lumberjacks this is amazing so technically wasn't about the lumberjacks it was about the cook at the lumber campus that you are working on so many levels god it's about lumberjacks but it's not but it's not and the one i just did with michael how we we play a tag team wrestling duo call the flying lumberjacks so say listening after him yeah i michael how tag team oh god him so okay so the movie which also neglected to mention that overwhelmingly swept the boats unanimously swept the boats for the holiday episode is the nineteen eighty four scifi horror comedy night of the comet so a out yes you've been here before you've been here before but the thing is elena you've played my game before about some force you've played it before but when christopher was here michael halley hog all the attention so christopher i'm going to ask you to give me a nice tight thirty second elevator speech back in the d._v._d. box cover description of the very basic plots of night of the comet the clock starts now hey we are in l. a. the year nineteen eighty four teenagers are hanging out in a movie theater and it just so happened that in the lyrical comment is coming back to her and when it comes back to earth everybody outside watching it's priced so it's like the rap through the people who survive of course they're teenagers of other people are now left in a world of psalm bees because some of the people don't learn and nicely done that's how you do it you didn't read off i._m._d._b. like a certain michael how he did no i did not know you didn't he's a big cheater big bearded jesus okay so i this little movie for a lot of reasons i saw it when it came out and i was very excited to see it a it read all about and fan gloria magazine but this was one of the first movies to get released with a p._g. thirteen rating that shocked me what tinguely excitement that was there were two movies that came out of that weekend fruit when they first forced it was that and beat street m sorta like searching my mind to think like what about that movie warranted p._g. thirteen i mean i guess i guess there's some goriness some swearing here and there but not too yeah there's some good swearing yes swearing you can see killing maroney's nipples to her bra i don't know if that counts i well if gremlins if gremlins scared people too badly i mean i think they might have been jumping the gun but anyway it was it felt dirty at the time i'm like i'm good p._g. thirteen movie i'm fourteen very grown-up and adult yes this cast is great i love everybody in this catherine mary stewart is a canadian goddess a move is what i love about her like she works constantly she was in soap opera she she's in every hallmark channel christmas movie and what she did tons tons of ridiculous stuff back in the eighties but she always has this air of gravitas to her which i'd meyer like actually i mean this is a fun movie but a hope you're great but oh yeah bad ass she's a total bad ass in this movie we'll come back to that too but no she's done other real stinkers but she plays it all like it's the most important job she's ever had a love to see that she's never slacking and always looks fabulous it's got the eighties hair go in total i took so many notes in the first ten minutes of this movie i over to the movie is argyle inhales yes the heels out socks heels thing i've ever seen yeah there's some there's some pretty great boots that she's wearing photos l. boobs i wrote that down to exclamation point i'd forgotten about the glory of elp and that of course leg warmers kind of like pushed down over rome and i'll great fashion in this and her sister is played by the fabulous kelli maroney as well who is another har- movie staple who was beloved and this is her best bucking mark oh yeah no man shopping mall shopping mall she doesn't have much to do i know i know she's the star of it but it's she's just the new no she's much better in he's watching it because i just watched shopping mall the other day and debt characters it's really bland she's the heroine blondie bland bland bland the the only thing outstanding about or is there camel toe but we'll come back to that maybe we'll deal of it now atlanta entire movie of shopping mall she's in these tight bauge jeans and it's all camel toe all the time and nobody told her and she didn't know until she was half the permits oh that's terrible picked like the rate campbell color for that camel correct oh yeah you don't want an off color it should be the color of an actual camel a hawk where do you wear white on your campbell's after labor day what happens i don't know it's crazy but i realize there's no chance campbell toe in this movie up jason that chiller the tiny that first scene where i i love that moment she's wearing her it's like a dance outfit or maybe it's not because it's the eighties so who knows what she's wearing it's a lounging around the house she's like on the couch and then she just like kicks her foot up into the air stand up it's very yeah it's like in a row besides costume you know that's that's what we were in the eighties it's very true at the reason i one of the things that a lot of modern viewers might not get if you're watching it for the first time now is that this movie broke a lot of rules of how women are supposed to be h-have definitely in this kind of movie like you sure we've had ripley sigourney weaver from aliens we've had her alien has been out so we've seen that women can be tough in this sort of thing but she's was tough that whole movie but these girls are this wonderful dichotomy of like completely goofy goofy valley girl teenagers who can also kick ass yep thank goodness for that military father who taught them everything they know i was watching now this time to you know in this the rise of you know forty five many people have been going for self-defense classes and all of the moves that she like particularly catherine mary stewart what she's i attacked by one of these ambi- creatures all the moves that she's uses our basic self defense moves she's not doing anything fancy these are all realistic things until like the guns come out but yeah whatever anyway it was cool that this heroin didn't have to resort to pay or anything like that she basically did the simple hand palm to the nose and then pull the lever into his ribs these are self defense moves that anybody can do and you don't really see them in the movies but they save lives in real life and babbling i remember at the time when she's cornered in an alley by zombie thing and she says i really don't wanna hurt you just say no i'm trying to defend myself and you're thinking bolster post repulsive that's exactly what a girl same situation does kick his ass what is this trick or treat come here your ass a look i don't know what you've seen is don't do it if it's two k you don't seem to understand they've been trained to take care of myself you know what i'm saying i don't wanna hurt you shit yeah i have to ask very question to both of you before we go any further have either of you ever owned feely boppers we'll see i called him deely boppers mid western thing i certainly owned them as a child but i don't know if i owned the top of the line ones like selling in the opening scene of this movie you know the nine dollar one dollars fifty cents one which by the way in two thousand eighteen currency is four thousand dollars at least that scene is great just them going through and it's like this is nine fifty this is eight this is seven you know and it's like that's what you would wear to watch a comment that came around and that's exactly what you would sell to and that's exactly what people would buy anyway so elena what exactly is going in the first like what do we find out in the beginning like what it's everybody's so excited about what's his comet business the comment has like never come around before right it's in such a big ellipses that it hasn't come around since like the beginning of humanity so it's the first time it's ever coming people wanna go out and watch it and then we've got regina who we learn is psychotically competitive because she she has to hold every single place on the arcade game that she's playing somebody else got six place and she like fucking played again say say john with d._m. gina gina give that thing in a minute i don't pay you to do that kind of stuff around here pacino i want you to clean everything did everything's clean i want you to take this flashlight and walk the house they throw things at me cares walk the house had been hit with thoughts mil- milk duds those things hurt i don't want those way does cutting to seek stanford okay placing reg in third place place wait a minute somebody named d._m._k. and six place when did this happen don't be an overachiever fit in better with your age group okay 'cause we'll make wait a second is d._m._k. the guy who comes back at the end danny making kiner i totally just got the whole time and when i heard that car i was like this better be d._m._k. or i'm going to be so fist off because it's like they do a good job coming back in you know as good as you can do in a b. movie wrapping up things and i'm like come on this was set up so early we have to know who d._m._k. is yeah yeah that's a really good point i do feel like there's one other like kind of weird loose end but never gets wrapped up which is which is what is the deal with willie like where did really come from who is willie why is this terrible evils ambi- guy named willie and what happens to him he's the guy in the mall he's like the insole with the smoking or evil we took over the mall like we used to be stuck boys and now were and i'm just like what i love that well the thing is okay we've gotten ahead of ourselves but we have this common is coming on it's christmas time which is why this qualifies as a holly christmas plays no part in it after the first twenty minutes i would say it does play a part in it though because hector santa claus does going to say hector cries you're right you're right hector's so many people in this movie he's a cowboy he's everything the cowboy disguise is my favorite thing guys that he didn't mabel come back to that if i ever needed to skies i'm just gonna be myself as a cowboy go keytar help one hundred percent you can't be a cowboy without an instrument in my choice keytar yeah so the fame that aleida got right but didn't really phrase the way they did in the movie is that this comment hasn't been seen in like sixty five million years pretty much since the time that dinosaurs disappeared but nobody seems to pick up on that yes it's a whole spend the first twenty minutes the movie setting all these relationships plot lines that ultimately don't go anywhere because everybody else in the world dies and for a movie with the body count of how many billion people it's a lot of fun really our world is there but i'm having a great time million people who stayed alive or entertaining people for sure whether the clips comes you know at least interesting people i take the boring people yeah hopefully that means we get to stay alive yeah i hope so i hope so she's she's incredibly competitive about the video game which is exactly how things were back in what the hell was the name of that game tempest tempest thank you i sucked at it but and this was horrible i was pretty decent games my sister sucked she ruled it tempest and i mean up until pretty much the day she died she made sure that i remembered that okay i'd never one tempest i'm sorry way triggered but movie no i was not triggered by nothing triggers me i mean i those video game scores can run deep yes no i have a big grudge against frogger just say too many ways to die it was impossible yeah yeah i wasn't allowed a video game system as a child very left out and i'm terrible at video games to this day because of it so author oh i was gonna say parents let your children play video games but clearly that didn't work out for you christopher did not i really don't play anymore and like i actually gave one of my systems to my mom she got really good at frogger but she would get stoned like she'd come home for more that's what i didn't think of when i was eleven she get stoned and she'd play frogger it was like and now all my friends who still get stoned amply video games so it's like my mom was cutting edge back in the eighties it actually kinda makes sense yeah she came up with the whole idea he had super focused you don't tense up anyway scream queens podcasts not advocate licit drug use though but it is legal in several states not here on everywhere it's one of those states give it a shot yet go go please get back to us yes please for scientific study right now science people but only legal science so yes so regina is an usher in a movie theater and i have to say having worked in a movie theater and been hit with candy dots way more than milk duds i was wondering yeah i've never been hit in the face with a dot which which one tears teeth out milk tubs jots ribs on my feeling ever single they're both pretty bad milk duds you just can't chew they just get stuck to your tooth and that is part of like 'cause i'm thinking of walkers yeah totally different candy nevermind nevermind it hurt but then again i was thinking of it now you mentioned people throwing candy and movie theater now that's like throwing gold these days you waste your candy walks dots cuss fifty dollars each dot is a dollar yeah yeah may while her sister samantha is at home their stepmother is having a comet party their stepmother is of course evil so evil here's another very important question in the heat of your teenage hormonal emotional surges that we all had when all absolutely psychotic and anything can happen anytime anybody ever slept their mother in the face geffen it we not no i mean my mom was stone laid back but my sister did so there you go they got into once okay okay good so okay good so i'm not the only one i did slap my mother in the fix no i would never have thought to slap my ninety none of my family i will i will nice just to nice like she definitely embarrassed me but i i don't know i didn't drive me to slap her i just wanted to like hide and pretend i wasn't related to her i love you mom if you're listening but you see what happens though dora's punch doers was a step mother and secondly i mean and there and therefore by disney role evil yeah yeah so evil known me and she elicited my favorite line in the entire movie i think which was which was you were born with an asshole doors you don't need chuck zinger he certainly nights to be with while daddy's down a banana land you were born with an asshole doors you don't need jock did lynn the guy cross the street with off at war yup yeah yet everybody knows it and the girls know and everybody hates her yes so by weird coincidence both the girls wind up spending the night not watching the comet and inside a steel room something steel yeah yeah and that is the key that's the thing that going to protect you from the comet so the next morning everybody did what i love about this movie too is that it walks the balance it's a comedy yes but it's not har har funny yeah and they have great moments of weights in it like i find the scene like when you're finding out what happened when you when you're first dating world after everything has gone to hell and automated automatic things are just starting on their own but there's no people i find that so chilling yeah so many people don't get it what's going on why are they showing this is no people but this shit's gonna just go on goes on for no loan like oh god this moving on its own was chilly automaton i what was it for like a car dealership just think nowadays one of those wacky wavy art thanks terry would be but i feel like the clown beef the wacky wavy arm thing everybody's dead but that thing is so funny i feel that's what got me because when the comets coming and everybody's watching i'm like okay we're going to see all these melting you know bodies and all that and it's like okay they didn't have the budget and then it suddenly it genuinely creeped me out how desolate like twenty eight days later creepy where it's like there's nothing it's like the rapture happened and like we just said there are those certain things that just everything from traffic lights to raid you know there's like a radio that's tape record you know recorded and that that clown thing was just like that's chilling yep at since you brought it up christopher g guess what the budget for this movie was well i actually know that it was four million wasn't it that was including advertising oh okay seven hundred thousand dollars seriously wow this under a million dollars even more respect like yeah how did they how do they pay for all that neon in the bathroom the radio station i don't know we're going to get back to the raiders they got a lot the right essays but the fact that they were able to clear out los angeles yes since you brought twenty days twenty days later christopher it looks like they did that but they didn't i watched the extras most of its c._g._i. c._g._i. everybody out yes that was the thing that i that struck me was you know i you think okay and then you forget it's like no they would have actually had to like the out there at like six in the morning clearing people out in it was just so desolate in chilling whereas yeah now it's just okay just get rid of the people yeah yeah i think they did a great job with very very very very very small budget i'm shocked one i bet it's wrong i bet it's wrong but whatever i read it in his wrong but i'm going to stick with it for now and fix it in post i have to but whatever it was a small budget thing i think it looks great like being initially bummed that you don't really see the comet i mean he gets like you get them disco l._s._d. stuff for about three seconds than that's but who don't need it yeah it worked that way you know once i saw how desolate was thought okay that's actually better because i mean if we if they had shown the comet we turn to dust to right now just watching the movie which would have been so terrible that would have been awful the ring you know this podcast would suck it would be like well well that's the end but but i mean also i think if it's a good choice i mean probably made for budgetary reasons but i find very often when you show like the scary thing it like takes away all its power you know like they're they're a lot of movies i've watched rhyme like terrified of whatever is haunting the people and then i finally see it and i'm like oh it's just that like i'm all for like the mystery also like particularly for movie like this from what it was made had they shown it it probably by now would be laughable totally with eighty special effects might have been brilliant for nineteen eighty four rain like oh no but this kind of d. ages it a bit yeah hopes up the other thing that really struck me this time around and this is like boring aki technical stuff is that an directly stuff is that this movie does a really good job in certain scenes of showing you what's going on without telling you and i'm thinking particularly of the scene where after okay regina spend the night at the movie theater in a projection booth with her boyfriend who then he goes outside and gets killed by one of these ambi- leaving her inside and she goes out and she gets attacked by one but gets gets away she's driving home do these empty streets after 'em street after empty street in when she stops the stop sign and is this car that's just part style at the stop sign still playing christmas carols which is really creepy yeah you see her figure it out a movie now would have to tell you everything that everybody's thinking all the time i see that all the time like with in in lower budget heart movies than you don't have to tell me everything could have just shown me several scenes of that and okay see i told you that was going to be boring see this is while never marry another man with kids because they make you say borings less life lessons from doris it does a really good job of of just like showing you what's going on without a a bunch of clunky exposition which yes it then they're like when there is experts it kind of comes out little by little at various points like that part of it is actually quite clever yes yes we'll get into that i know what you're talking about like even just figuring out that it's the steel that protected them it's literally one line yeah other movies dwelled on that oh yeah we find superman conceive through steel and the it's basically each person you meet your like oh and that's the steel thing that they were sleeping in all night yeah yeah you probably there before the characters are and that's cool to do yes so she gets home and she's shocked to find that her sister is still alive and sam has no idea yes believes she had a fight with doors that we saw but then she ran away slept in the lawn storage shed steel and she just thinks it's another saturday morning and she's getting ready for cheerleading practice and she's happy bouncing gossiping and she's adorable the seat i love everything about her into nihil like a little bit but when you be too i guess i mean come on it's ridiculous the radio's playing on bass she's dad's favorites but i love this summer where where regina confronts or is like wake up this nobody this morning i bought all the practices put after the pep squad practices on or not can't get anybody on the clothes sammy can't do anybody on the phone because everybody's gone i swear to god gum there's nobody i mean there's no buddy all right nobody sure where the kids it saturday morning where the goddamn kids it's saturday morning where the goddamn kids look at this dora susan at chuck's i'll show you doris here's stores as left this dust here's chuck we're the kids it's saturday morning where the god down kids it really is it really is and i love the they made the choice that sam doesn't have a freakout over most of the door goes back to the kitchen goes back to she's into nile but she's like okay you're scaring me you're scaring me whatever but she accepts it in her own way without supermassive drama she's super tough roll right i love that too but the one thing i've wanted to talk about is the music in this particularly the pop music that you hear on the radio throughout four movie with very small budget they nailed what nineteen eighty-four sounds like without using nineteen eighty-four pop artists read except for one right yeah there there's a cover of girls just want to fun but which is the actually the perfect song for that particular part no yeah no this would've worked as well but of course not gonna be able to afford cindy lauper but like that whole soundtrack i love it it just so it's not it's got the right amount of eighties cheese to it but offended eighties cheese and it sounds like something that i would actually would have been listening to all the radio at the time all these songs would have been on my top forty oh yeah i would've thought those were real pop songs that i just because a lot of time like many times elena when we see these movies the pop songs are questionable tokyo convertible god but that is my favorite song in the world now spy ringtone like bargain-basement thing that they got for free but all he saw selling yeah they sound great i honestly like naively thought they were real i was just the the the radio music is a character in and of itself which i enjoy too because it's always in complete contrast to what's going on grimmer the scene the more poppy the music is this playing uneven which i think is smart and the thing that was weird with the music was i mean it was eighties pop but then they also would bring in certain things where it's like is that like a kenny rogers song i mean it was they really hit just all like everything you would hear from what my sister and i listened to even some of the stuff that you know my mom and step that may have listened to where i seriously when the credits were going i watched all the way through it just to see who the music was by what they got rights to and i was just gobsmack that it's like oh they did yes i just i'm i'm side barring again a bit is that i remember when i first started the podcast i said i wanna cover this movie because it has an important story which i'll get to later and it wasn't out there anywhere neither was shopping mall this is back in the her with the people who made the movies had no idea anybody wanted to see them anymore yeah and that soundtrack i just recently got released keeps getting rereleasing they've put it on vinyl few times it's like this really hot seller for people who love this crazy little movie that even though it's whatever how many years later silly movie has an impact on so many people but anyway yeah it is cool and all the different genres that they are able to like recreate very cool it's actually the radio is its own character in this movie as well because they're having this confrontation about how this nobody until all of a sudden the d._j. starts talking on the radio there's somebody else alive the girls go running off to the sexiest radio station in the world it's like is this a sharper image catalogue station the thing is that this movie set the tone for what i thought radio stations were actually like until i actually went to one at home it's really my two experiences with like radio stations came from horror movies i was like okay you either broadcasts from a lighthouse or the fog the fog and then this we're like okay yeah those were radio stations in the eighties that's what they were like exactly it's not some place run by chain smoking just horrible malformed people have not seen the sun yeah yeah the i some this horrible place it smells like cigars even though a cigar has not been living there since nineteen fifty and it's all depressing so i was very disappointed i ever went to radio stations like that i loved i loved the wwl a are which was the alternative rate states they're going to have the coolest radi of god gonna have to wash my hands with oven cleaner after i come groom but yeah but the one in the movie is it's got like this crazy furniture like leather long weird couch thing actual office or meeting room workout stuff because there's one scene where they cut away and they come back and there's robert bell turn just doing sit ups yeah why not now christopher you mentioned earlier when we were talking online that robert belgian brought you to star trek well my see i always have avoided all the star trek things my wife on the other hand loves all star trek so she finally convince me when star trek voyager was on that sit down and watch and i was like okay and then commander toco tei is played by robert beltran and you know i kind of like them and hooked me finally on star trek so then to see him and the scary thing is i swear that man does not age i mean he it's like he came out of the womb like thirty five forty just her fict- hair everything and that's the way he's he probably still looks like that is for mother yeah yeah we have a little body it was just well oh grew came out as a tiny adult and his body really had his head this is literally the only thing of ever seen him in so i was very happy to hear that you've done of i i've seen star trek voyager i never made the connection yeah he's got like a little tattoo on the side of head it's you know he's watching it this time it bothers me that he's top built yeah totally thank you patriarchy yeah totally not your movie yeah because the euro gas wording room absolutely absolutely so they get to the radio station and they discover the yeah the d._j.'s talking but it's all been preprogrammed but there is a guy with a gun in the corner the sure is and that would be mr robert belgian buckets for details about hector just he's a guy from san diego who i still didn't quite get does he drive a truck he drives a truck okay that's okay yeah he drives a truck and he's in l._a. and this happens and just like the girls he goes to the radio station but then of course you have to make him very lovable because you know he does have a gun and he's like concerned about is absent he's kind of that ruffin tumble guy but then he has to go back and check on his mom and san diego well they have to make him lovable to 'cause the possibly the only man left on the planet yes these two girls are related it's not gonna work out right with women anyway as these person for humanity continue at least as far we and i love the scene where they're having a ham and catherine mary stewart or having some serious conversation about whatever about the world ending little sister seems to be taking this a lot better than you that's 'cause she doesn't know what's going on and you do whatever's going on isn't just here everywhere cheap things we're going to be rescued that dad's gonna come back from honduras with the god damn green berets should could be right it was a break heck tower and miss thing is offering playing each yes yes which that's a good plot point though that leads us to something yeah it's not just there for volley it's just such a fun thing and actually one of the lines that she says and this one's going out teenage comedy camby's kimmage kombi original name of the movie really cool yeah i mean i can see why they changed it tom bees were teenagers and they're not really zombies no okay not exactly yeah i mean they can talk right they're not dead that's the whole thing then it's great they're not dead yet there's ambi- issue because what is the common duty you it slowly makes you evil and makes you look like zombie but slowly for the scientific they wait but only only if you breathe in the comet air they didn't really get into that oh yeah i guess it was the did you write that did make that point that but no it slowly dries you out drives up your body fluids and you slow go insane and your is sinking and you start forgetting it's kind of like rabies yeah got rabies and you don't know that the condition is progressive i think we've established that audrey partial protection seems to result or not slowing the overall effect but progression study in any case drying of the body fluid get it up france time what about the dust ultimately there is nothing left but calcium dust isn't even enough hope to learn anybody back here and then do you have turned into the dust the die nothing's left there was like a difference between the people who were like directly hit by the comet and the people who got like the comet disease but nope it's just they just got it slower on st some people exposed to comment a little bit what happened to doors into slower and like dangerous what happened to larry because they okay oh it all makes sense yes you're welcome in the scene we also since she's playing on the round the around the radio thinking nobody's listening it turns out somebody is listening who's listening the people from the center who were gorgeous denim jumpsuits that are nicely built it in the middle case lab jumpsuits case you do science at any moments yes but among them is legendary cult movie actress and broadway star mary warren off yes she plays godhra yeah audrey and what i love about this is the great misdirect do with her character for nine dollars at the time she good yes i i'm one of those like people who figures out the twist like immediately united not see this one coming up it's so well put up because the thing is this this this is a whole scientific think tank which anticipated this coming so they prepare and there's an ultra gra huge underground shelter and lab and scientific thing and they're they're rounding up survivors and you think you're they're rounding them up for good things but they're not they're not as so the whole movie whenever they're having these science scenes she's always in the back bitching like i don't think we should be back here why don't think this arrivers no survivors don't bring people back here anything oh she's paying evil doesn't care about people it turns out no no she's a good one she's the only good one because it turns out what happened what stupid mistake that this thing tag make kids they had the ventilation system open for all they're geniuses day they inhaled the stuff and now they are all underground slowly turning but because they are a science think tank they are trying to come up with the stem that will either prolong their lives or maybe even cure it cool a serum that's nice what are they making it out of like human blood the survive the few survivors including kids oh okay so they're really bad people very bad peers knights or the other cool thing about that underground facility that looks massive yes it's all done with process shots models they had like a hallway at a couple of rooms yeah they really create a space that feels very big yeah just little subtle things because there's a scene where audrey is leaving and you get that like over that shot of the whole facility and then just something as simple as you could tell the elevators going up yeah and i know people who make these kind of movies are good filmmakers and oftentimes they at least have those little things going for them and that's it's little things like that that really made this movie impressive to me although i did appreciate that on the elevator which discover later that they put like you know the floors the elevator goto in cool eighty science fonts yes that we know it wasn't eighty scientific totally size fixing fun it made me happy who go is like weird too organization but it's a labyrinth our back to labyrinths dave jay just called dave and your name's christopher but dave made of they've made them fix it worked out better for dave though much better much lower body count then hector takes poignant trip back to san diego right books for his family i was a little bit like don't you know what's going on though 'cause like then zombie knocks at the door and he's like i don't know who you are out there and i'm like don't you think it's probably as ambi- like the i mean he was the one who kind of explained to us to the other to like the whole zombie situation it was like one of those things tried to tear me apart but he's like hey hey for you i like kids yeah yeah i like it though i like that he's shots at the door yeah expected adult this little kid in here the thing that cracks me up most about that scene as he goes all the way home pretty much like okay i'm my family is dead i get a pillowcase and what's the first thing i put in it a trophy this show v sure the remote control cancer it was that's it okay yes very straight weird collection of stuff that he chose to keep for sure and then he escapes through the window i love how like one hundred percent of bathrooms in movies and t._v. shows have windows like i don't think that many do in real life but if they do i mean mine does but if they do they tend to be really small exactly but boy are people lucky in the movies that they could escape out of giant bathroom windows well no you know if you've into a house if everybody house elaine and be like anyone with a big beth firms wendo cases ambi- populists happens right oh we've got just the house for you the crazy house there's another thing that i really liked to like like the tone is so light and fun that when it has those moments it makes me happy that when when they're not when when it switches for just a moment or two like when the two girls sitting on the car and samantha starts talking about the boy that she liked it school and slowly see that realization that everyone i know was sinking who says new guide school hall morgan and transfer from taft junior i don't hang around with juniors much i liked him i mean he was from taff but he was nice kathy city is probably gonna ask me out kathy just monkeying britain's is trying to figure out some way to keep her parents from finding out really lucky break for her and they don't go to big with it and it gets cut off right immediately cut from familiarly because what's the one thing teenagers in the eighties love to do they could love going to the mall and loved going to the fun give you give your mastercard on you know good 'cause you don't need it stars we're crying let's go to the mom one of my favorite things in all movies that made me so happy we got a montage yes we stopping and just imagine i mean you're a teenager in the eighties issur it sucks your friends are all dead your family's gone but you can go to the mall in just own it you can have whatever you want you can dance around while you try the clothes on i loved that everything that catherine mary stewart tried on was like from lane bryant like are eighteen year old girl like that one thing that audrey not audrey but regina tries on it was like totally that that like mirrored collar the parade's she's looking she looks she looks great she's like she's got some hideous clothes on but looks fabulous him meanwhile samantha looks like a nineteen thirties flapper yeah hopefully which is exactly what a sixteen year old girl would probably wind like should i take this or that and it's like the for coat or the boa regina's like obviously the boa because it'll stay in style longer a lay the burden of civilization is upon them bank of these things they do but i mean i would like to point out that i think both feather boas and for coats or kind of timeless items so i should should've taken both hey i think in this situation you could actually afford both yeah yeah except you can't because no no 'cause they're not alone new there's wittily whose like today like he he's like a little in-cell in and i love that he has a smoking jacket with his name on it yeah like where he's coming slack lips but it's got like the eighties you know cool the cool lettering everything but yeah they are not alone and they are not no no this i love to see to all of a sudden it gets really scary again because those mother fuckers are scary scary noises is the worst part game ever terrible party game let's play a game it's called scary noises into better scary news when i hear it again gosh this spence is killing me but still ticketed traction student again now wait a minute i don't think there's really a bullet in here no now see there it's loaded i just needed to be a little more patient i think this is it girls nobody scary noises yes turns out that the stock boys used to work in the store who i guess we're downstairs in the basement which might have had steel around them wherever they were potential just enough she have a bunch of boys running around the place who are slowly going mad who have now taken it over because that's what boys do not crazy i just don't give a fuck yes gonna take it over defendant like it's fucking lord of the flies and this is a funny thing to in kelli maroney who played samantha her other big movies we talked about it was chopping mall there are so many similarities in this scene between this shopping mall there's actually dialogue that overlaps she in both movie it wasn't her line but she actually says in shopping mall something about how her deck was sandinista are worked the sandinistas yeah and in this one is the same thing where they're trying to get away and they're pretending to be mannequins it's the same thing happens in both movies and it's the same all i was i was going to ask you if it was the gallery of one mall in movies in delhi in the eighties i was looking for a world of almonds they didn't have one in shopping mall they keep showing the out the outside stores called world of almonds and fast that's all you have is yeah how many different things can you do all men while you're gonna find out because this is the world of almonds ominous you're paying almonds the cashier is made out of almonds hoping but we're sticking to it sorry ago no that that fight scene is pretty epic an awesome and i do really love how regina pretends to be a mannequin and then chewed sagay hide in plain sight it's a good strategy i mean there's no there's no jump scares in this movie but that was fun but she's like oh shit well in the fight scene is actually kind of interesting because i mean earlier there joke well it's funny line but their dad is a military guy and i was a samantha says something like the mac ten submachine gun is practically made for housewives said that yeah okay regina i knew one of them said yes a man said see this is the problem with these things gaddi would have gotten a sous that's right the thing that was really interesting is the like we were saying earlier the girls are actually working together and have strategy whereas the guys i mean yeah okay they're going insane but they're still doing what guys would do they're just running around roughshod over this place and they're like thinking tactically and that was a thing that really struck me as a really cool thing because usually it's like the guy is the one who you know we're going to do this we're gonna do this don't even plan they just do it instinctive -vely in it was actually a a really cool thing to see especially for that time yeah it was like rambo time yeah yeah but still like the their actual characters don't get dropped during this point they don't turn into some killing machine yeah just survive yeah exactly they're just smart and they're just doing what they can to survive it's great i love it i just love economy that they make that work because that's how people are people are complex that you could be totally somewhat bubble headed valley girl but i know how to fight and thick strategically don't fuck with yeah yeah at i'm also gonna make fun of his shoes this doesn't work i'm going after your shoes i also just love that the bad guys name is willy letting i also just realize i didn't catch the fact that his name is monogrammed on his robe but i guess you know they do that in stores so i guess he could himself true yes that's no that's exactly what i was thinking i'm like where how does where did like embroidery come in maybe maybe maybe all the probe that maybe he makes his the is is job really i want you where am i really or maybe he made his minions do the embroidery for him very possibly very possibly but man when he takes his glasses off and looks her in the face and we've seen this makeup a couple of times now but my god it's so scary on them those sunk sunken is you want us to pay what you wouldn't believe what we want in your worst nightmare you wouldn't in the dark he got really it's most effective in that scene i think absolutely absolutely edit just looks bad but then the the the think tank shows up because they've been tracking the girls right yeah and they they seemingly rescue them and they appear to they appear to but they figure out that oh samantha has been complaining about it she skin this whole time getting a rash so they think she's gonna turn right and she is like no no i get rashes all the time like anxiety gives me rashes i'm sorry the end of the world makes me a little nervous exactly what she said which is great which is this is why i love samantha is that in this particular and the performance of kelli maroney is that she kinda really captured that sixteen year old man against the world attitude without being a bitch yes kind of a smart ass like in a in a lovable way yeah sor- casting acute about it but it just works all that is but dead on dead on if you hang out with a sixteen year old he can't get any sense out of him that's not sarcastic you grow out of that in a year or two some of us i was gonna say some of us nineteen leave me alone so am i elena seventy two and never sarcastic fating sarcastic legal for women back in off three jay but wearing apple on my head which was the style of the time beige news i'll have you know have niece that's a topic for another time but they decide they're gonna take regina back she's apparently healthy puts do blood tests on the spot now but let's just take her back and we're going to deal with this one they leave audrey who we think is negative nancy the villains behind deal with her and in the original script samantha dives here heck is not exactly a fox instead on what's left is not bad cute is it coming back yeah but we should wait from the radio station that's go what's that give you something for what well skin's been a little irritated yeah arash could be a rash but it could also be something else one of the main symptoms of the comet no see i always get rashes like when i have a fight with doors or break up with the boyfriend it's nerves and you know the way things have been going around here lately i'm surprised i don't look like strawberry jello but if i do have that stuff this will get rid of it right yeah god you had me worried just a pinch now is that it what did you want me to do oskar take out back and shooter in the head and in the actual script i thought she was dead i'm so glad that she wasn't though oh my god yes when i saw this in the movie theater i was crushed because this lovely conversation she's so happy talking to marry ward off everything about silly stuff and she's happy another person she has no idea she's being murdered none whatsoever she's like this is gonna fix me right and he's like yeah yeah because audrey has a syringe in the weird thing was i thought okay i mean audrey that was kind of nut i mean she she believed that samantha's going to die anyway so it was kind of like i guess it's a mercy killing and i'm sitting there going damn that's pretty deep that's that would've scart me back then yeah it was sad and poignant and you're like oh she's doing guest she has to but here's this other guy from the think tank watching her and then of that guy that awful again i like the glasses the worst hate him totally the other guy forgot to mention is the guy was the head of the fake tan jeffrey lewis great character i think he just recently died he was in everything he was like the creepy photographer x. files i was like yes that's another show my while yeah actually that's another show my wife got me into so and that was just on recently on like a rerun and i saw him and i was like hey that's it he's just creepy man that's what he did what he always did he was always creepy or comic creepy comic will he did it well he did well he recipes stirred yeah mary warnock final scene is also devastated show fucking well done it makes me wish did you know that she was in the original company of hurly-burly landon no hush she was in original kurt with charles during madeline kahn oh my god yeah she was doing couldn't see that wow yeah yeah yeah she is so damned good and she plays that whole scene or her death scene so earnestly what she's where she turns into basically creepy old exposition woman because she lays down what's really going on in her last moments that this was not a villain this whole time that she was actually trying to do good things but it's too late she's already injected herself and she does i want you to know that i thought they were talking hypothetically so they've found the purse of ivan's and they really did it some of those rbis which is a wait a minute what's all this about they think they can generate a serum we will exposed not a lot just enough they left the ventilating ducks wide open the fans going very scientific very stupid thirty six hours you will be able to vacuum up the last of and the carpet hey you know what she was right you are cute she tells it all to heck for santa santa claus and that's why it's well in the season is christmas time but yeah that's that's another little sprinkling of christmas drew that that's what's going on she was right you are cute what i i wanna die flirting you know what they always say lay them leave them wanting more well yes during the gun during the gun battle of the shopping paul there's a scene with there were just like rapid machine gunfire replacing you're seeing like mannequins blow up and close these players get knocked over and there's one part of the shooting all these purses i thought the gas thing nothing i've thought a really long time was gucci and then i breathed a sigh of relief because the gucci bag did not that was really bad 'cause i mean you can't replace that he can't pop over the hustle albans get bag in the whole galleria yeah is we go back to the tag as a whole big thing down there because you know she finds out that samantha's dead or she thinks she has they tell her that she's dead she kind of goes on a rampage she escapes there's some kids that they brought in yeah which leads to my second favorite line in the entire movie which is the the kids are there and they're they're with or they see regina like through a doorway and the boy who's maybe like ten years goes cool girl and the little girl who's like maybe six or seven goes if you like that type for all even the apocalypse can be nice to each other seven but it's l._a. yeah we find out that not only are they bringing people back to drain their blood that's not so bad here okay to get some blood samples from them we make from that is that how that works yeah but they also have to be brain dead big give them like nitrous oxide or something you left a guest sticking issue santa claus at the north pole right exactly the yeah there's again some like well done exposition or couple of lab workers are like oh well you know they are brain dead so yeah you're right you're right it is well done exposition because as we've established you know audrey is figuring out the symptoms of all this this in one of the things as the brand is drying out there's a loss of memory they have to keep reminding each other what they're doing these two scientists women that are working over the body so that's how we get all this exposition instead of just dropping plot least handy this too i can run render this patient brain dead so that we all of god like we do here in the fake tan what is it supposed to be but yeah it's like it's like the matrix right there sensually just the they're just to produce blood i can't remember how much blood were we expect it to get from these people three hundred c._c.'s yes that's it that can't be right if we draw three hundred c._c.'s day they'll expire altogether no i don't think so now that we've terminated brain functions i mean they're brain dead holy can do now is manufacturer blood well maybe but we weren't going to get anything like three hundred c._c.'s out of this children no but we will out of that teenager i hope she's just as healthy as she looks boy did you see her hair i'd give to have hair life that well it's up to the respirators now why don't we prep the children when we're finished with them we can start on that girl they're so cute i love working with kids they don't know how much they're going to need facilities enormous we have no idea how many people are in there so presumably there's gonna need a lot of blood so yeah and they're planning on doing this to the kids exactly no one is spared nobody is not a riddle children and probably going to do to that girls buddy probably a little too the bunny the her talisman that keeps her from getting carsick i love them what happened to shows up to save the day he's cowboy hector are you doing who are you names hick goeman real find got you'll be tech repairman with the cowboy accident even made up of fake name like why did you go to all this trump his faking just heck so yeah i mean i guess he figures that like the scientists people know that there's another guy who went somewhere he's like i can't sound like that guy i have to be a cowboy right clearly they would have said he was a cowboy if this guy they were talking about where cowboy he'll be back on the cows come home we've forgot to mention he's also a cowboy oh we can't use cowboy blood that's no good fear healthy y'all monday hick now just move on over here in my convertible bing to wanna see something yeah poor thing a ride in the trunk was but that's a wonderful moment was such a wonderful moment please describe the moment so we have heck who's now a cowboy drinking light beer and he is chatting with the guy one of the most outer guards of the think think and says hey you wanna see something and pretty much convinces them that hey i've got a girl in the trunk for you and he lancaster cowboys do okay last sued her a rope jura and here she is let's just say teenage boy in one thousand nine hundred eighty four heterosexual boy if a guy came up was like got a girl in the trunk for you is hoarding as i was on no knows here's this he's like in the trunk in samantha's there and i'm like oh god he's using her dead body is then often what happens elena her eyes flash open and she jumps up out of the trunk yeah g._e. did see this lady saw up with sodium pentothal make this beller thinks she was dead so you wouldn't have to blood out you asshole dead some ladies shot her up with sodium pentothal greg say wouldn't sucker blood out you asshole and that's it was such a good it was just a great kern it it reminded you that audrey was good yeah didn't actually kill her but like you said in the original script i guess she did so sure did but that was a good that was a good twist yeah i from what i know i can't get firmness but i heard they shot it both ways oh it didn't test well i'm so glad that they kept hours where because you're just so happy to have her back on such wonderful character a high end and it's just you think like oh man that killed off like you know this this awesome awesome women and it's such a treat to get to have her back in to have her you know kicking ass and taking on net with if she was debbie wouldn't have had one of my the whole when they're scaping in the car she's got a coach just got like four lines in a row and everyone makes me happy there on the front like the driving new escape like samantha and hector the front like go this way go that way she's just like bitching about the radio change she's like what you leave change his music give a kid the buddy rich in a minute fetal okla where have you been we change this rigid i really hate this music what are you doing not kidding get carsick without my give the kids bunny like why wouldn't she give the kid the bunny like maybe like a bunny at that time listen this is the only thing getting me through the arrowing experiences funny right now because with it for one more minute with with with these long but the horrible country music and the bunny it would have just been like every other seem it every other scifi movie like this she's not even on camera for something just coming from the backstage like teenager would be doing at this time like we're running away from the bad guys who want to kill us and suck out all our blood but like could you please change this terrible on horrible to that those women tell the kids just previous when you wake up you're gonna be the north pole with santa claus oh yeah the women that are going to turn him into like little blood bags like yeah totally santa it's so awful but then leave that job for they're tied up evan paid pretty much posted on their face going to see santa a case heroines killed those girls they did yeah they're just brain dead no no 'cause they got the other side going to save them creepy guy from the x. files leave them right and they're just lying there laughing worry out so i'm really creepy evil it is interesting how like when people start to turn they all have to put the sunglasses is dry out yeah your eyes starts her that's why when when hector first encounters the girls he makes samantha move into the lightning says open your eyes young again they don't spell it out i'm not smart enough for this move knowing wash more note for this but you haven't seen it a million times you go that's why he asked that that was an hour ago why would you remember that right i mean i guess i thought it was because like when you see the first samba guy like his is do kind of look weird they're red or something there yeah they're all bleached out so but yeah that's one of those telltale signs starts in the is the is a juicy makes so much sense but you know they escape the day save and then we have this completely bonkers and saying well ending is just it's wonderful it's wonderful but boggles i love that gene and hector are now like the worst family effort the brady bunch they pretty much are holding these kids captive is a family there the parents and they have adopted these children ed his he has grown into her lane bryant wardrobe she shared all of a sudden she's a forty year old woman forcing them to take photos holding the rabbit and a football some would you against the lights we do not that yeah the family photo thing was a little bit like i was like is it a special day like is at their wedding or something i thought was developing the pictures they were they were a right where they okay never mind yeah okay so she's like very insistent about this family photo and then yeah we do not cross against the late what we call whole burden of civilization has fallen upon us what are you waiting waiting for the light to change we do not cross against like are you nuts anti-regime you may as well face the facts samantha the whole burden of civilization has fallen upon us what's that supposed to mean it means we do not cross against the light i love samantha's just watching from the sidelines because maybe i could be a nun or something and then she left out of question yeah she crosses against the late that's and who almost hits her with a car d._m._k. we don't know anything about this guy where's he from what's his name danny mason kina danny mason cater okay yeah all right well just be back by midnight okay midnight verma civilization is on vicent doesn't it daddy mason keener we go all the way back to the tempest thing yeah and all the things are wrapped up the pull it away and they're playing every go ahead well regina sees that license plate this damn gay runs into the car and everybody's just like playing in the streets for as we hear i'm like you're you can play catch with a football in the middle of the street but you can't cross against the lady listen unit understand what they were doing there like someday somebody would have made a movie called the room so we need to like work they were they were workshop ing i get it the script for the room was never going to happen because the world ended everybody's everybody's dead except for the five of them database akita and that guy from the room no i mentioned i've been teasing for a while now that this movie has a very special place in my heart for very special reasons i was just gonna ask you about that and that is because it was instrumental for me in my transition from gay teenager or in a scared gay kid to cool gate adult i was i went to all boys high school not surpri the figures going to all boys high school the one thing that was needed about it is that the barriers that normally go up in high school aren't there because there's no girls to impress you had you know the jocks hanging out with the geeks and stuff like that everything was okay because girls from press the only thing that wasn't okay was to be gay or feminine so i was i you know they smelled it on me they're not wrong so i got picked on a lot and i had seen the movie and like what i saw it like four times in the theater because it was only five dollars to see a movie back then remember those days that that would be high for you know down here in texas or even while lived on it's really not true because it would be to fifty for under seventeen and then okay yeah to fifty for popcorn and drinks yeah so it'd be five dollars to go to the movies so that was nothing so anyway i'd seen the movie and i was always the girls were my idols like the whole that whole dichotomy just really struck me that they had this strength to them that the world didn't say wasn't readily apparent i was in the boys room after school and one of my regular bullies came in and it was just me and him at saarland is going to get graphic i was at the urinal oh god the urinal no yes and i was eating the cake now i was just sure due salty delicious there marinated no and he came in and started with it he says to me like what kind of fag it opens the pants all the way to use the fucking urinal and that was his heart for the day he was just going to harp on that pretty fag it'd take your whole dick out just to use the urinal you fucking faggot fucking faggot taking your whole dick effort but look at unscrewing away to get out now he's at the urinal and i'm about to leave and it just popped into my head something a little logic flaw to his argument might turn around him and i would never normally say anything to this huge i said how would you know my vic is all the way out if you weren't looking at my dick faggot that's standing next meeting urinal looking to see if my pants are open all the way are not fed it what a comeback at he's huffing and puffing and i hit turned to leave and then something else clicked in my head and i went up behind him and i grabbed him by the shoulders and shook circum shook him shook shook him that oh my god i left and i'm like oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god i just regina at him and cemented him yes yeah which would have stuck with them and samantha would have done this shit if he had smet as i have to leave with the punchline and that was one of those they never bothered me get also everybody this is also back in the days since it was the eighties on long island so everybody was kinda guido and this guy was super guido so he wore white pants all the time perfect so yeah those pants were room win and i know he had some other thing to have to go back to and he's gonna have to explain why his peas all over his pants that was me and i have told both catherine ketamine stewart and killing maroni this story i love all that and i was like different that is one w. w. r. a. s. dig what regina good rule if them that's a good rule and if i had not had this movie on the brain does i was thinking about it at the time while i was then i don't think that would have happened and i thought it was like okay good for that and it never happened again have this movie thank for them so that was a cool thing so i think that about wraps things up for the comment i think so i hope the world doesn't end this christmas that would be a real bummer yeah i hope we survive at least adventure but actually fool we wrap up this thing i have to take care of elena yes we mentioned earlier your work with a._s._c. awesome you doing and and you've been doing other stuff too like you have all those you're always asking for those donations for those unfortunate families elaine always posting these amazon lists for people who need who've been some kind of situation that's bad like these things they need could you please by something on his amazon list these people it's all the time and you're always supporting these great causes and the show has had a bit of a turn this year the whole nature of the show the podcast here well let's just put it this way alanna aker congratulations you are the scream queen of the week when an amazing on relations you were person that is actively doing something to make the world a better place every damn day and that kind of behavior needs to be rewarded especially times like this thank you you're very welcome and of course your prize is t._r. well fitting for queen exactly you'll ever get it it's a t._r. of it only other scream queen conceive you win the t._r. can't have the yard it's like the cake and eating too you can't have it because the altar yards are mine got it but you want it can't have it so can movers some day and see my t._r._l. your motion yard you're doing great work and just for everybody who's listening i mentioned this before i talked about it that episode long like just before the pot on this is what we're going to be doing now if you know somebody who has been doing this kind of fit who who's doing something outside of the box like everyday them make the world a better place in these awful times please let me know even if it's you don't be shy don't care about ego know that seventy not boasting if you're doing cool stuff i wanna know you could also not want to you're saying great example for everybody and i love that sort of thing and that behavior deserves to be rewarded so congratulations alanna you're secreting i wish i hadn't paid in you so much when i was we were married with you know you did what you had to do times where what they were short sometimes i did it twice on sunday shirted okay remind everybody where they can find out about lumberjacks well because i'm not as great as alena but i'd be hard but you'll have your day step i'll i'll have my bar has been set knocked her down and that's great i'm very good company right now because i appreciate what both of you have done i really love the audubon you know you made not just the woollen murky we're trying to hit but then you went to facebook and it was like boom boom so yeah i've got a i've got lots of cool stuff that i'll have to do and until that day you could go to know lumberjacks dot com and hear stories that i have written mostly narrated and a few that i've had other people in their asia's well great fantastic lady got his show's coming up or anything like that nothing really coming down the pike at the moment i do want to mention that i was on an episode of the most recent pod or the most recent season of the podcast uncanny county it's cold wellness i think it's episode two i might be wrong about that but it's it's from their second season season two and i have a really fun role that i play in that it's a narrative podcast that sort of does a twilight zone e type of thing and so if you wanna hear my vocal stylings check that out thank you very much okay excellent that's very cool all right thank you very much for joining me for this very special holiday episode have fantastic holiday season when the comments should start on friday to spend the night and then when everybody's gone just continue to be awesome thank you for having thank you so much below screamers wrap things up episode two hundred and fifty another milestone has come and gone since it might be the last episode iv report out because we're all going to die when the comets come tonight that seems appropriate that i'm going out going out in a nice round number there's no voicemail this time around it turns out last time and i said oh there was a bunch of male sitting there waiting for me they were actually old they were old was old ones t._j. and you've already heard that when three times when i played it by mistake that one episode so you don't need to hear that one again that's for sure and there's no emails but that's okay that's okay you can get him next time but i'm giving it a homework assignment yes but a long time since i've done this and it's not about watching movies it's about giving back we just did this pot on but this little some different this is actually for jeffrey newman and his organization backpacks for the street remember he was scream queen of the week before the pot don went on and his organization provides backpacks to homeless people in new york city and it's not just the backpack it's these backpacks are loaded with all kinds of necessary survival things mylar blankets gloves flashlights socks personal care items hairbrushes shampoo food snacks water they are loaded with stuff but the stuff from the backpacks don't come from the air so they have an amazon shopping list if you go to backpacks for the street dot org slash amazon that will take it to the amazon shopping list and you could buy individual items that any plan simple i just bought fifty dollars worth of feminine hygiene products because i noticed nobody had bought any and let's face it feminine hygiene products are not a luxury as the government likes to think they are in the city and you know i'm assuming when you're homeless and you need them you have to resort some awful things to take care of yourself properly and none of my watch so i urge you please go over backpacks for the street dot org slash amazon and find something that you feel cool about giving to homeless people debt really needs something all this information will be in the show notes on the web page and don't give exclusively didn't know in there because we perfectly frank this is the kind of stuff that could win scream queen of the week i'm not bathing with the title just to do this i wanted to goods of your heart but if you know somebody that you think is worthy of the title scream queen of the week if some you know somebody who's doing something extraordinary and good please let me know it could be anything i don't really care it could be your niece who had a bake sale and she did it for the church that's great i wanna know i wanna know about people who are doing things no matter how small that are making the world a better place to live it for the rest of us i just wanna know someone who just is always standing up for other people whatever if it's you by all means let me know don't be shy don't play you don't be bashful about the good stuff you do i wanna no facebook can only show me so many things 'cause base their algorithms and lord knows their rigging really showered them lately i can't find out all the stuff that you're doing on my own i spy on him when as much as i can lord knows 'cause i'm also santa claus in the sleeping and when you know i don't it's stupid but no please get in your nominations scream queen of the week i'm dying to find out what good stuff you guys are up to and to swing things in the totally other direction this is a big party weekend for scream queens around the world and you need to jump on this bus before pulls out of the station pieces a big party scream queens weekend because the scream queens drive in is open again all weekend long we are not just having one screening we're trying to accommodate as many people in as many times owns with any with as many bunker schedules as we can so this weekend i am screening tales of poe the movie that we just talked about on the last episode with co director bart master nardi the other director eleanor kelly is going to be on the show real soon come see the movie that got adrienne king and amy steel out of retirement to work with caroline williams from dextra chainsaw massacre and leslie donelson from happy birthday to me and all these other amazing eighty scream queens plus ready jobs for the village people this eight you're grandmom's edgar allan poe the state your seventh grade literary teachers edgar allan poe you got you got screamed quad's gloria got village people you got shirtless honks gora-gorsk org or get your ass to at least one of the screenings are three there was one tonight friday night at nine p._m. i'm hosting and this weekend is also the dubuque debut hosting jobs of my who autorites and i say that because there's that movie my beautiful launderette and that's why i'm calling the my beautiful lush rights even though able bureau beautiful but they're really beautiful beautiful beautiful rats so morgan is going to be taking one tomorrow saturday at three p._m. eastern standard time and tara will be taking this sunday three p._m. eastern standard time so you have no excuse to miss this movie it's an important movie by gay filmmakers starring all of your favorite eighty scream queens what more do you need to know nine pm tonight easter's danta dan three p._m. saturday or sunday three pm eastern standard time get to screening and bring drinks because we're going to have a drink and party as well and if that's not enough if you are a my dad wrote a porno fan on monday we're having a my dad vote a porno holiday episode listening party yeah we're all gonna get together on zoom we're going to hang out on camera we are gonna have the christmas episode releasing that day cute up on our listening devices when we all hit play at the same time we listened together we react there's going to be drinking games there's going to be trivia games is going to be fun fun fun fun fun that's eight thirty eastern standard time on zoos my suggested cocktail is the pomegranate vision viz but the pomegranate gin fizz but since belinda blinked its vision 'cause she tends to put the gin in her village whenever she can if you listen to the show and if you're not you probably throw up on yourself but that's not the point right now again look in the show notes all this information will be in the show notes the amazon gift page for backpacks for the st the driving screening times in the show notes and the majaad wrote a porno drinking listening party or should i say cocktail party kok in tale party on monday oh it's gonna be fun time pets gonna be shit faced on tuesday so next time i'm gonna continue tradition of the highly inappropriate holiday episode because i'm going to be doing a movie that's got nothing to do with the holiday or the show it's not horror related it's not christmas-related we're talking about a movie called twice upon a time which is george lucas animated feature from nineteen eighty three which has been a source of controversy some of you might have seen it but you probably saw the g. rated version but what people don't know is that there is a p._g. p._g. thirteen rated version where we are going to be talking about one of those versions which one i'm gonna leave belief suspense up to you but doug and trail be here doug shapiro trading we're going to have an highly inappropriate christmas party and you're invited and screenings for that movie to since it's rare and i think you'll love it and we're gonna have a great time and i look forward to see you then if you wanna get in touch with the show please by all means do if you've got holiday holiday holiday celebrate got holiday wishes i said it again holiday wishes for me or the listening audience by all means pippi phone share them it's the season of sharing nine one seven eight dope that was my home number almost nine seven seven two zero two zero four seven you could call me at home if you have my number but not not giving that on the pockets crazy nine one seven seven two zero two zero four seven i'm sure would be happy to hear from you if you don't wanna talk to my head gargoyles well then you could write me at crew at scream queens dot com is always that's queens thing you can find me on facebook by doing the search on scream queens were hornets gay i'm on twitter as at scream queens on instagram at scream could podcast and of course if you want us support the show become a patron become a patron go to w._w._w. dot patriots dot com slash scream queens is a good time to join because oh trae deem an eye are getting together with my murphy we're gonna be putting up the first episode of each of the thirteenth series monthly podcasts which is going to be available only on patriot and i know you don't wanna miss out on that that would be curious and not good instead of curious goods in hammer their store in the show well i'm really funny okay so until next time might beautiful beautiful screamers happy holidays what i sit holidays again all right refined it's up about a day about some guy named hal let's say ray for how happy holidays to you out there no matter what you celebrate or who celebrated for a groupie hell could be jesus who knows i don't know and of course continue to make the world slightly liz creepy place and never ever forget the scream queens golden rule fight or flight survived the night make it to the final reel baby we're all gonna die tonight anyway so what's the point fuck it up let's fuck this shit into the ground where's by beer tonight's show at otherwise classified has been written by same hades you can find all of his music at that dobut dot cam dot com aargh

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