19 Episode results for "Acevedo"

Kirk Acevedo "If you have nothing to hide, MFer."

Stephanie Miller's Happy Hour Podcast

33:10 min | 1 year ago

Kirk Acevedo "If you have nothing to hide, MFer."

"Yup Kirk Acevedo is here already worked out I'm obsessed with you okay let me just tell you why because you're filthy potty mouth as we go wrong with the president and a country and its people and the division is going wrong like you couldn't have scripted this it will be the prison block on MSNBC I will host it I'll be like oh kirk seems to be given trump trouble again everything okay in there could be Shh in obviously thin red line I mean we're in the middle right now is we're taping this of this just genocide that he is allowed by pulling our military out of a yeah and Johnson went to fifth avenue and still in the stained blue dress draft but I mean yeah we were saying the primaries and everything like that but I would always watch the debates when I was younger so I always had you know an ear to it so but definitely all right from Bronx yes correct Puerto Rican descent so tell me first of all how did you get so have you always been politically activated Schillinger's roommate exactly you are so amazing actor obviously most people know you from thin red line and all that stuff but so was it trump that you know I wasn't necessarily vocal politically until probably twenty during during during Republican it ain't going to get done I mean it's we've had prosecutors on Kirk that literally like the mob is much subtler as they are right policy couldn't be more incoherent if right like bombs it into an empty policy he bombs an empty airfield Syria because I don't know if that doesn't run the babies prison roommate and my is a dream come true I think a lot of people would would watch that show you are not just look at this you're not just prolific on twitter you are filthy you are raw you're fantastic you just today you said this motherfucker doesn't suffer from it Korea and we don't even know at this point is distracting from impeachment is filling Putin's orders is D- make aside deal with with Amazon about trump not until twenty fifteen yet really became a focal point yeah drivers reason so you were in band of brothers right with the yeah together or perhaps just posing for instagram but you run marathons you box and I just love because I keep thinking how would trump to in prison and you said he kind of fascism after like the Teflon Don yeah after John Gotti in a way you feel like you get away with anything yeah so we you know oh he's looking for a way out no once he leaves the Oval Office yeah it's the old officers only keeping them see right like he's just like well they even said last week when he walked on the lung like Oh he was doing that to the media it's like no I don't know I really feel like he he right yeah like he couldn't have said like this man's going to get elected he does I mean he when he said I could kill somebody on Fifth Avenue will e burt the constitution he's GonNa get and if he goes to prison for for the fads right so or altogether they're all the same cell block or somebody said hours I mean you can't tell with his mother father you know Putin didn't get the Ukraine but he got Syria so yeah it's just like everything they could that's-that's his error right you'll from the bronx seeing I mean you're familiar with dilemma better play ball tells cake I mean you know unfortunately I think he would do well just because his money would go a long way and ideals so and also they would never put him in Gen pop so he when asked to rate his chances on a scale one to ten surviving a real prison you said I'd have to say one because I think I'd be someone's cupcake I mean how would trump do someone's orange county loses yeah in two thousand twenty yeah would he will he leave correct don't you think it's going to be like cops he's going to be like they're going to chase him and he's going to Yup tweeted that he'll he'll never resign no he'll never doing he'll cut a deal yeah you'll cut a deal deal for writing yes yes yes sanity he enjoys every bit of it and my line I mean it's it's true where's the Li- like one of those people that enjoy this enjoy it's really like who who can tell like first of all who would have known where it like you tweeted word almost sixty percent of Americans support impeachment inquiry twenty eight percent of Republicans mater cry or something and now he's strategy to his policy on his whim from minute two minutes yeah I'm ill as we know from just doing our very strenuous the deal colon goes to jail then trump did you correct I think him leaving office would be to him he'd be he he he would have lost yes he does not lose now so how will do anything to not lou even when he was that's a fact logic logic right so his only way is the kind of deal or get another four years right well that's where I yeah that's awesome does for four because he was an evil fucking dog a rescue and we named him after the Dutchman you get through Donald Trump without swearing we say this podcast is if Donald Trump makes you wanna drink swear this is the podcast you can't it can't be contained enormous yeah okay I this is the one tweet I disbelieve that you have a dog main Duchy mixed up mcmuffins because Don's your dog is named Dutchy Mick Stephen's Dot c you are married a two kids one child okay yeah and so we keep asking people because none of us have kids but just a how do you raise them the the the the mobster twenties right so then my wife and my daughter you know made it less edgy call touching stuff it's a deal is winning correct yes yes even if it's a bad deal right exactly yes yeah what now that's what I was saying is anybody thinks they're still in the prediction game with this crazy bastard yeah who knew we would need that for our kids take a nap now go to sleep but stay woke what Daddy you tweeted I've been a proud members distances day one and we won't stop resisting ultra until our democracy is saved from those in power who wished to destroy it you're happy Zada here because you're gonNA civil war place in war because he's dangle that carrot yeah yeah multiple absolutely so that's my fear because the boy that reference you know goes to school bullies people ask a girl is a little bit easier so my girls a little bit more woke uh-huh yeah so don't you mixed picture this Muslim man on the street Duchy Mick Stephen's now you said he hooked the Floor Panther falling down he's going to be tracked over stepping on a Schlitz as mine the country split right so why does he I mean I'm just saying and said Hashtag Perry made me do it repair made him do it that's what the dog that's funny doing this quietly and sadly carefully and I'm like fuck that man I'm fucking listen it's about time doing it joyfully because it's about time she got off her fucking Donald Trump's America how do you have to go don't do or say anything that the president does how do you when we saying he's just he wines like a like a we've sustained so much chaos and meanness and cruelty you're a person of color. I mean racism just outright racism citizens see that it is I mean we're either going to be have a democracy and be a country laws at the end of this we're not anymore right correct I mean listen you know what the uh-huh Blabbermouth I've never hated anyone I say this all the time never hated anyone in my life I can't I can't even put into words the degree to which I hate him thanks Jen without a difference you motherfucker yes yes so You know I mean listen I this is a time where people I mean I'm happy to protest for first time since I remember we have IDA huge impeachment party this weekend Chris Things that we like Nancy Pelosi says we should be the same thing it's in their DNA that the angst and the anger on both sides with slavery it adds something you don't get rid of generation the Republicans are like Carson here hallway though no way we encourage I think I keep leading there too at Hanell and all those is like well fuck we could just stay in power yeah I mean this is the point of the happy hours to swear I mean yeah stuff like this happen and allowed history don't you donald it's it's like a cat the way they are around dogs have a natural fear it's for me it's the EST fuck Chrissy Teigen's right he's a whiny punk ass pussy bitch yes yes yes but listen I I would say a girl is easier gases in a boy yeah it just goes to show you how racists our country is now it's deep ads in the DNA he didn't start it but he is inciting a racist whites there run over you know life luster life yeah so I mean for me that's the that is the biggest issue that is the biggest division in named checking him people that are massacring people I mean I it's I mean you know running people over like in in Charlottesville right I mean poor girl was I want her to be her and shift to be and they can do it sadly in prayerfully in quietly but but you know we have this car how do we as a country support the number huge number you said getting real real I mean but I mean I I was this Celsius America's our country's first Simmons Slavery Yoga Okay so and hate using this like comparison but down calling the N. word there was a guy that just all these people chasing Elizabeth Warren through an airport yelling Kahane's and some woman got chased by Guyana Mega Hat that had a warren bumper. You mean like why can't I agree to Disagree Sandra AG- Disagree on policy but you don't get personal shit began fuck and Persian the funny thing is when I tweeted out everyone it's it's not a democracy republic it's Kinda both yeah you stupid motherfucker little fucking trump trolls were two generations it's with us you mean he's all expect this degree of racist backlash from Barack Obama though I mean or you're too happy to resist I love they always call us angry and bitter snowflakes what you're angry you're paying attention this is all of our democracy bucks off that is a Barguna this is good stuff fifty percent off plus an extra ten dollars off the officers off the first half of Sir I don't know what you're saying it's when I'm in the middle of interviewing a Hollywood hottie like Kirk we'll exeter little bit yourself up a little yeah yeah plexiglas listen but I am telling you ten years younger boom blown away by the results plex it or can you give you the confidence that you need even if your self esteem is in the basement tatters it's about racing it's about color and everyone that doesn't know an Kinda touch it now but that's the real problem we keep making analogies or it's like sticker and was like harassed and thank God nothing violent happened but you're you're like Oh shit twenty twenty is going to be two thousand Sixteen crack why can we agree to mine because I'm having a bad life yes but my eyes look good flexner go to triplex Durham dot com use code sexy liberal fifty percent off plus an additional ten knit laminates all those wrinkles associated emotional baggage. I'm sure my bags are from emotional baggage I didn't believe it ask me let's let's this fan but I get that they she can't be the first one out she can't be us going listen and he's got a little baggage he's got too much baggage for me he's got back yeah you know and and listen the same way we're going to hold face up in your face in the mirror look up what pros feet when he got he got wrinkles bags kirk the guy who get up in your face so you WanNa make sure this is looking yeah bags I'm telling you I saw the videos and I was like no I don't believe that maybe you're using photography they don't the videos real because if you do it stand there for a couple of minutes that's fast at work so right plex the Durham a clinically studied serum visibly eliminate the girlfriend I impeach him with this crystal Cuckoo for cocoa puffs the first to You know a debate right but then TRIPLEX DURHAM DOT com today the code is sexy liberal at checkout that's triplex Durham Dot com you tweeted give me Elizabeth Warren you were you in the Righties League Hillary Biden and I it's like I'm not even a parent and I just have the greatest president he's the unwind traffic RV offer offer call eight hundred sixty five twelve ninety two mentioned the codes sexy liberal Exeter and backed by a thirty day money back guarantee visit agree would I'll call him right what you call the cock sucker or middle snowflake yeah my soy by the way the Cock sucker not an insult around here but because also swampy you know I will vote blue no matter who knows yes yes I mean he I mean listen I would I mean well Austin Bay she she s I mean I was impressed a little I'd vote for her over biter bite in his own all God's sakes has warned camp that's my girl she get out the younger vote I don't think by runner she's the fight is not going to get any millennials I'm sorry he doesn't Alvin is the party I'm sorry on twitter like me and I have a new dream that some combination of your character on Oz and the actual filthy potty mouth Kirk Acevedo is going to be Donald Trump's ghostbusters like he opens the like he he somehow you know how do we put this back in this genie back in the bottle when he's gone because people think it's okay we see two different video every day if someone chasing massage and it just th that it's like I feel like this country it's like we're ready to have like a Constitutional Colin blow when the sky's gone were just listened I've I've been saying because he's going to get us in trouble alright to more important things you said of Stephen Miller when you find out you were heroin is a child now you don't have any trump in his family accountable for you know you know where I'm going with this same way I'm going to hold Biden is where there's smoke there's fire doesn't and they all do facts to back that up but you just saying it just looking at space every picture looks the same I mean he either needs like an eyelid like what's it GonNa lift ah you need something because he c- he could only see your neck and breast he can't see airline as I do and then when I give personal see the debt I'm like it only goes one way only goes one way you know what has to happen average you use the the one that was actually had a great last debate the Marianne Williamson Oh my gosh she has sat in that chair really getting late and I'm not eight for she's attracted to be our yeah corrupts corrupts this Miller lives in he's got a girlfriend now does oh my God and she's not that unattractive attractive and I so right I mean obviously you would be demolished right about it especially but you'd like what he said he talked about on that phone call and if he lied he's done yeah the one person you don't want under oath testifying guilty guys don't plead the fifth will what is he doing yeah what is he doing like no executive privilege novel I if you have nothing that's Carolina Oh Carolina Lindsay Lindsay Smarter fucker on the planet yeah have you ever been threatened with a non binding resolution by Lindsey on him that's the only thing I can up with for this complete and total one eighty mcgimpsey an I think on his finances and is like just jocks yeah and PM talk about you know about what happened in the code of Silence Yeah you know but there's some real guys the Bindi with my Homie shifty shifty coming for you Donald Trump here yeah I love it hi Nancy Fucker you go ask in front of lawyers wherever you want yeah whatever you want right because I'm not being sued stopped some revived him like he's gray gray garage regards which is but those you know that's that's in their wheelhouse with those audio in ten years or photos or photos when you respond directly to trump when he's how many how many presidential harassment president of harassment he's is that have come forward absolutely you know with the the allegations on the impropriety that's why he doesn't see any time soon the trump administration no no which thing he says the most ridiculous so we're out of ammunition I'm Never GonNa let that happen to another President I know more than two generals yeah it was a fucker you got I'm happy that he doesn't have to testify as of yet so right I would have all come out because they're saying there are text messages they there's the phone call was out there we're going to ask him what feel about somebody that right didn't WanNa join the military and one was for bone spurs I ran marathons bone spurs very fast marathons with bone spurs like just because he's guilty would go it s if someone accused you of something what's his face from of God Jim Carey film with what's his face trip I he's by going yeah did he not do a one eighty he's certainly did he was quiet he never said anything now all the filibuster means like he's coming out the Wa trump must have something motherfucker these guys are just keeps stabbing side with a smile right keeps on standing calmly Yeah Yeah Ah Sunland was his stooge was his guy the tried to exonerate him by text they don't want him to testify I got stuff to hide fictitious movie but you're like this script fucking unbelievable right and so you guys are like no that's not you're like can you imagine if that was in the real thing it's like it isn't a real thing out of here all right this whole trump presidency election all of it right it's not just the mullahs report I mean it's we thought of New Yorkers read some was it a country didn't really he's my personal congressman and friend but he you know he's the passive Agai you want on your team absolutely he's so passive aggressive thank God he's on my team because I would be like you so do you know what I mean that's not an excuse you know yeah plus he probably doesn't even have them because you've got the faked doctor from his rich daddy okay tweets that like every day right it's a it's a terrific with them and you just said you whiny little triggered bitch man up you talk Shit you get hit impeach trump but you know he's guilty yeah because he won't even produce those medical records because I'm sure it would show that because that right that you know that they say it would still show if he has bone spurs if he that's all he would have to is you know I have a brother in the military and both brothers in law enforcement and I'm like how do either law enforcement or military families alone get him shaved off scoped out okay there's also bone spurs in his taxes you also is maybe second season of Oz ninety nine and then I met him another time at a boxing match Radio City Music Hall with Shit what's happening right now in Turkey the fact that this motherfucker us the nuclear codes and everybody is closing in this Batman like we're every walls closing when he does these very very bad vision apparently he's turning a blind eye they're very good yeah but what's his face the the friend from oh by trump especially in middle America all they knew he was a rich businessman right in that order businessman and married a few times Mary maybe but that's where I feel like it's this life of Hubris and brazenness and getting away with shit and I feel like it's all gonna be guess what being addict to everybody all your life is actually GonNa catch up yeah you fucking Patriot because you tweeted Yo Stephen Ross I just cancelled my equinox membership after fourteen years you will not use my dues to support a racist president and Hashtag Z. British guy he was you're gonNa have to but I was like yeah this whole thing would not be believable or pitched in Hollywood would some point I think a feeling upward yeah yeah I mean you talked about them threatening civil war I mean this is going to get worse before it gets better isn't it this is scary. Yeah our beloved Tom Steiner who we have all the time I love that you were the of celebrities fake audition for Movie Muller reported for Tom Stars Pro Impeachment Group so you Debra Messing Guanacaste going to the gym every morning for seventeen years define me like in a way in more ways than one I mean not just muscle but that was that was a mini driver Jon cryer share yeah but it was funny the way you guys did it but it's like you're it's a mock audition for yeah I mean I mean when people think our you're just giving up a gym that's not hard seventeen years of your life service days a week hours a day Ah it's great they're doing CBS's doing the Komi Gomez book series already cast fruit briefcase these whistlers are coming out makes me gives me a little bit of hope that things have been Katie proved in the White House I I hope people are listening and watching did have some thoughts about Lindsey I forgot about this Lindsey Graham I wish John McCain would come from the grave and slap the trump buddy arrests once John McCain pass away yeah right here in the middle of American right okay yeah but like us New Yorkers renew US Shit we kind of Guy Doc you just like you put a Hashtag wacky workout photos together but yeah I was big soul cycle his trump because god he doesn't know what the truth is allies so many times I don't know how about how about US general told that we don't have any bullets just I don't it's hard Berg Daniel Jeff Daniels call me I don't know is what's his name the British guys playing trump and I'm like I cannot reader he's a criminal he has sold out this country I mean it's almost like it's hard to focus the impeachment right because you you include everything and he keeps doing it three day I mean just today contempt of Congress that was one of the articles against Nixon he keeps on throwing out false narratives constantly just throwing ah which is the worst yeah so my buddy Granville was what a fucking Dick pace this was ships this is why they're doing this shift liar you know what I mean they're trying to break up you know trying to steal the presidency from us well and I'm not Chris knows being radio I'm not a big boycott fan but I just me personally because you to like this is what I spend my life doing the guy owns it you can't say he isn't anything to do with either of themselves as a couple of motherfuckers still go to the gym yeah who go on twitter and complain and Rant about all these Roy Jones fight yeah so yeah did save that that you can save America Kirk which is that sums it all donald trump what a dick you can get him shaved down or anything else they would know okay you can can you could but you would still show signs grow exactly bone spurs people that were ranting about but yet they're still going to the gym and like Colombia's you have enough fucking money and we know we're talking about Yup you have enough money that you could fuck and build a gym existing Donald Trump I just can't I just can't morally or and I love cell cycle then I loved the instructors I just thought you know what a lot of other workout options I've listened that that the no I'm GonNa go them one million dollars he's not going to destroy the economy of a place where he has a tower a high rent tower that's right Hunter Biden we'd better what we're not talking about his two sons right not so good about his wife we're not talking about him they're making hundred millions Melania trump and I know sorry his daughter and Donka Janka they made eighty two million dollars in one ear exactly correct that's remembering twenty to the twenty th our times the square root of Pie like this is we have never confronted anything like this in our country I mean he's just I talker twice to you really so that's like another thing and it's like he's he shakes your hand like this l. like like there was a policy bid the people that have absolute bag a soul cycles very supportive community of the Gay Community of Reynaud obviously liberal causes but it's just you know he can't you're like I five deferments yeah bone spurs bone spurs break this is crazy yeah yeah you've only played a soldier and you have more experience think these calls are I think there's patriots I didn't hold these are gonNA come out I think the secure server is a billion dollar deal selling military weapons Saudi Arabia right about that was a big you know what I mean she's fourteen so I want to stay away from boys as long as possible because I'm going to go to jail listen I'm from the he's crazy he's any you could walk at them and go it's getting worse yokes it's all money yeah it's all money the problem is I'm going to go there seriously what else I mean there's so many fitness options and so yeah it it just and plus this is just not like we we talked to Watergate attorneys all the time and this is Nixon Times is in use a person like what are you kids what are you hoping for g I mean just I want my daughter to politics no modify Annette's wisdom you're the dumbest on this wisdom tweeted was insane that was insane yeah yeah yeah between the the moat with alligators snakes and the destroy it's becoming doctor is economy done it before what no yep yeah I mean right I mean it's what's fair you mean like if you don't have like you know the idea that you don't know what right and wrong is in his home because he did that without everyone even know knowing you just put the statement by tweet problems we don't like all the guys like when they're not running for office anymore yeah they come out we need the ones that are in on us right now step up step a beep patriots spieth compete yeah well good luck man that's why but that's probably why you're passionate about America because it's not just about you I mean we what's right handed it to her live on the radio show and set just start reading it just read it don't don't don't review it don't review just start reading and Sushi hit that she was just like Oh my God bless went up in flames burned a Dragon Kenny from South Park I pretty much follow thanks bye things I always wanted a little girl because I grew up around then and I grew up around like Macho Yeah Man Yeah Puerto Rican I saw what size and some of his friends owned those companies. I mean this is all kickbacks yeah it kicked back back back to the economy yeah the rich Red Qurqus Limit Lakewood India is that you can't talk about but stuff's coming out exactly hasn't been finalized latest thing guys that we crimes and we have great guests like Rosie o'donald Rob Reiner and Malcolm Nance such a name dropper so come on and join US amped up with proud a and oh I wonder if like Pompeii or like has like somebody like real close and lists if he asked what the brief case you give me disclosed sharks with frigging laser beams heads like I mean he's just I just you said he is that should be the only story beyond all that other shit he's just bought a fucking what do you think he plans for Blah Blah Blah what do you think he got to overlook the bone saw murder of a Washington Post journalist right it was crazy yeah I think it's just I I when these calls sister on the sexy liberal podcast network hey this

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Dynamic Wallcoverings with Leo Acevedo

Veteran On the Move

32:26 min | 4 months ago

Dynamic Wallcoverings with Leo Acevedo

"Army veteran Leo Acevedo grew up in the wall covering business, and eventually started his own walk. Every business called dynamic wall covering coming up next a veteran the move. Welcome to veteran on the move if you're a veteran in transition and entrepreneur wanna-be for someone still stuck at the GOP trying to stay this podcast dedicated to your success. Your host Joe Greene. Cash rewards credit card from Navy Federal. Credit. Union you can earn one and a half percent cashback on every purchase and right now razors lose one point seven, nine percents apr this Navyfederal Dot Org for more information. Talk Today we're talking with the LOU US veto from dynamic wall covering hope I pronounced last name Right Leo Before we get to talking about business and entrepreneurship. Can you take us back until which the army? Okay. So hello everyone. In the US Army I was enlisted for four years Dan. What's called? What was called a thirty five Yankee integrated family test equipment. So. I. Spent my basic in Georgia and then we went to redstone Arsenal Alabama. We learned about electronics for about thirteen or fourteen months basic circuit card recovery and reconstruction as matic reading and things of that nature. So we were we were troubleshoot missile firing systems for helicopters, tanks, and other moving vehicles. Awesome did you lassus? I do not wear glasses. I wear glasses all the time. No one I'm outside. My sunglasses never come off. Inside your like being in squadrons most my career we could always tell the avionics guys 'cause all the guys had glasses because it was always the really smart. Glass had been a real smart one. So maybe you just wanted to manage to get lucky and have good is. I appreciate my site for sure. Yeah. Yeah. My mind still barely holding on, it's starting to go downhill but I'm fighting the glasses thing as much as long as I possibly can. So talk about What year was it? You you get out of the army and? Tell us a little bit about what your transition was like. So. My armie career was unique to me. As an individual because I went on signed. So whenever I hit the ground and got my head shaved basic I didn't know where I was going. so I feel like my transition started the same day I came in. Because I didn't know which style is GonNa come out. So. Basic training without an MLS ahead of time. I did choose MOS that's the only thing I chose okay and then a as far as you know, you have your pick, you can dream your dream list or whatever picked for your four stations and they might there. So in that undecided status sent me to Germany. At seven. Oh. First mates for challenge I infantry. I learned a lot of things about what I wanted to do when I got out as I was learning about my armie career was already prepping for my departure. was involved in In the construction industry are early age so I. Once, I established my armie career. Or was establishing it on the sidelines I was always working after hours on by what am I gonNa do when I get Outta here. So my transition was Really came my plan for my transition game. You know obviously like anyone else we were gonna eat es we had just came back from Iraq I had shoulder surgery from from situation in Iraq. So I did take advantage of all of the resources. Are Unit was very good about. Making sure that we got to those resources. At, the main support battalion where we talked to America about getting our ability things in order before we even got out the door learning about what type of jobs we could transition from our MOS training. Other things like picking where I was GonNa live had family in south Florida had Family Missouri. So and then also picking out what or making a decision about what I wanted to do with my time and my energy to either produce business or work for someone else in transition my armie skills. A little bit older when you went into the army then most. Twenty one. Okay. You know most most young is it go in right out of high school just don't have that kind of awareness as far as planning for transition when they get out, you know day one from when they go in. So definitely a little more. Forward Thinking vision in that regard you're in Missouri where we're in. Missouri. Because I'm actually in Kansas. City on the Kansas side right now. Okay. That's great I'm actually proper bluff Missouri about five hours from the Metro area there on the Missouri side. Southeast Missouri above. Yes. Very familiar is how close to keep your to his at. About sixty five miles. Eight miles Cool. So when you finally dig it out of the Army what were some of the things you transitioned into right away and we did it go according to plan. Well I thought my dollars we're going to go a lot further I can tell you that. I saved up some money during my service in use that money to. Propel myself once I got out and actually sold some lead to. So I had a little bit extra change their. In the Did it go the way I thought not really There was lot of challenges. Mainly just getting. Knowledge about what I wanted to particular Bomb, a second generation wall covering installer. I was learning to trade but I was never sat down in an office to say, Hey, this is how you administer a payroll is erotic amboise. This is how you do estimating these blueprints, etc etc. So I was always on the field as a younger person a man I took that that drive a motivation for that career into the military and also transitioned out with saw I have a lot of challenges in that aspect of. Of, yeah I'm going to be a businessman, but just because you have a business card, doesn't mean you're a businessman so I logged challenges in that self educated most of the way using the score offices for mentor ship and learning about quickbooks and writing business plans and things of that nature. Now those resources that are available to mostly anybody free resources that are you know score office but Other challenges were you know? I was used to working with people who were motivated. I got out here and I started trying to work with folks who were. who very much on another schedule than I was. So my face was up here. People were working down here. Also you know having everything always written out for you, which is not necessarily that way all the time but military, we have Dr Nation. Regulations. Manuals to help us get through tasks. Basically. Out here without those so. That was probably one of the more challenging thing was was trying to find the proper guidelines to get from point A. to Point B.. Interesting. How did score help how what was your experience with score lake and attacks liberal experiences with score score score stands for service, Corps of retired execs I believe. And those executives are niche. People in all types of resources. Some of these people are accountants. Some are attorneys. Some are retired business executives. They know how to run companies you know how to bring. An idea into action score falls under the SBA, the small business administration that's is. Okay. that's under the SBA procurement You can go on there and you can look at a guy didn't it'll give link and then it'll tell you what your local stores score South representative is you contact him and then they can help you but they they're you know on our with one of those guys on the phone. Doing, a simple review of what you WanNa do and telling them your ideas could bring a person of very long ways. Into into finding what actions need if you take. Those people are very, very resourceful and they have the experience. That's the best thing about it. You get to talk to people who have thirty five years in a industry or twenty five years in the industry or whatever the example might be but they're going to have much much more insight than than someone who just getting started. and. They not only not only have their own experience. They also have a lot of experience dealing with brand new business owners like yourself. Where the pitfall so her it, we're most likely you're blind spots are. The best thing about it is the programs free. Injury. That's awesome. Recommended it to anybody who watches Absolutely to reach out to their score for for any just basic questions, just talking to somebody about a simple business plan, which simple business plan can take you to the next level to the bank than to the property and then to buying products and selling your retailer offering your services to the to the economy. So. All right. Well, hold on. We're GONNA. Take a quick break and we'll be right back. 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If you WanNa, if you WANNA sell your service or your product to the federal or government than it shows you how to do that as well. making guide you to how to get in touch with your state procurement officers also. So there's there's a there's templates in there. There's actually a wet email you can if you have questions about small business. Information you can actually reach out directly to this day. They'll reach back out to you know they'll help you get through whatever situation you're going through. and. There's also some phenomenal. The SBA will do loan guarantees know for business loans and that kind of thing, and about about all those certifications whether it's just service disabled veteran owned or some type of minority in the and service design, whatever you can, whatever you can all pile on whenever you can qualify for A lot of folks like. I don't know we could be like, Oh, I'm just starting a lawn mowing business I'm not I'm not GonNa try to sell anything to the government so I don't need to worry about all these certifications Regards what kind of business you're in you never know where somewhere down the future having those desk nations may pay off. Absolutely probably not to pay off on day one, but you need it's worth if you can qualify for new those even anybody listen to show theoretically should be able to qualify for veteran owned even if it's not service disabled. So whatever those qualifications are that you can get ahead of time get them now while you're while it's early. because it could pay off in the long run using the lawn mowing business. All, the sudden you apply for a government building lawn mowing contract, and because you were veteran owned or services able veteran owned guess what you got the contract so. Regards what kind of business you're in you never really know when a state government or the federal government or even a company that does business with the government. A. Lot of a lot of large companies like Ford Motor Company. For example, who sells lots of fleet vehicles to govern organizations. Ford Motor Company also has to comply with the relations the federated the they also basically have to operate kind like a government agency is they're going to sell stuff to the government, which means they have to have set asides in hold bags for specific minority groups and service disabled veteran. Absolutely, you never know when some random company's GONNA come along and say, Hey, do you have any designated? If you do we can give you a big contract. it's very important something for veterans to know. Okay if. If you're if you've been down range but don't have any disability or service connected situation you qualify as a veteran small business, but if there's any designation in your. In your disability decision even if it says, let's say it says right hand zero percent. That's a service can make situation and that actually qualifies to be disabled a service disabled veteran owned small business. So anything that service connected if you have anything service connected at all, this is one of those little bits of information at a lot of folks don't know even if it says service connected zero percent in, you're not getting a monthly check, but it's still says at your service connected, you qualify to be a service disabled veteran owned small business. Gain in those those criteria are listed. On the CV website of veteran affairs, website and then as far as other certifications that you mentioned. Being a minority or women owned businesses something that's very popular. Nowadays, there's a lot of opportunity set-asides just like you mentioned where the federal and state governments dollars aside for small businesses you have certification. So yeah, MR llangollen business could potentially be mowing a an air force. Base? I know a got a friend Casey your he's he's in the cleaning cleaning supply business. He was contacted by Amazon directly saying we want to do some business to business relationships with you. Oh, by the way, do you have any service disabled veteran? Well, yes. Matter of fact I do okay. We got companies that need to buy stuff from you because you only. Testing, nation. So there's definitely a lot of opportunity lot of opportunity. Wouldn't wouldn't necessarily base your entire business plan on the fact that you're GONNA get. You'RE GONNA get special contract because of some special quality quality may have. But I would definitely get whatever designations you rate having Even if you think you might even if there's a chance of qualifying. Yeah, and just remember those things look a little intimidating but. One page at a time. That's all you got to remember one page at a time. You'll get it done. They, they do ask a lot of questions and they WANNA know about your your financial situation and where you stand in a few even have a potential for success. So those are all things to consider but very much worth the time that it takes to get it done. Yeah. So so when most people here wall covering, they think a wallpaper absolutely. You having done some house flip in house buying and selling name nowadays wallpapers kind of out of style like it's all about just the plain walls in whatever color of paint you put on it. The first thing you do if you buy a house got wallpaper on it, we're taking the wallpaper off in, go back to paint but looking at your website. It's a dynamic wall covering dot com. Okay, now I realize wall coverings are a whole nother ball game especially like in the commercial industries, you know where you walk into a company accompanies a lobby. And they've got all their branding all over the wall. That's custom-made wallpaper essentially in if you look at your website, you've gotta really cool stuff that businesses and stuff like that. Put on wall. So. Tell us about the dynamic wall covering industry right now, some of the things you're doing. Okay. So About. Dynamic Wall covering. We're we're we're homebase operation at the moment, but we actually have a nationwide footprint. The reason we do is because we've been outlet feel for. Since two, thousand, six We travel and we work in retail spaces hospitality spaces. Medical spaces pretty much any kind of commercial or larger residential spaces that being said, we work with printers work with wallpaper manufacturers we work with painting companies we work. Directly with the wall covering daughter Association, which is a group Walker covering installers. That is an international group. What we do to Do that organization is we network They help us the nationwide service provider. So the installer association has a directory and through our meetings and conventions, we build rapport amongst each other and. We share contracts we network so we can cover. This company out of Wisconsin needs something done in southern? California. Well, we'll get you somebody. We. Are. Currently expanding our services we've recently taking classes to become three m certified. wallpaper stickers or two different things. traditional law covering installer wallpaper installer steers away from three m because it's it's a nontraditional type wall covering. It's it's basically a sticker, but it does require certain types of skill set, which we already have it just adapting in overcoming so So we're recently getting more involved in in the three m arena because. It's you can put it on glass you can put it on drywall you can put it on metal you wrap cars with it you can do pretty much anything with it. So data allows us to give our client. A more will a different or more wide approach to customizing their space. So if they want to take that thing off the wall and bring it down onto their desk, you know to cover the front of that reception desk that we can do that. You know we can build a design for forum, get that printed, install it all to look exactly how they want customized. That stopped in that we take a lot of pride in is. helping in consulting clients you know once It's not just about a installation of a material. It's about making sure that your client is is happy from the time that that you're guiding them through making their decisions or if they've already made the decisions to either. Solidify those for them or if you see that there may be going in a direction where they could have some failure than consult them into the right direction. Are you are you directly involved in putting the wall coverings on the walls these days or you've mostly shifted to. More like a broker scenario where you're recreate deal. There are few. Three to four clients that what we like to call it the white glove service for them. There are very high profile clients that do not want other installers on their sites. So, what we do is when those projects rescheduled I will typically go out in the field to do those and those or any. You know five fifteen or sixteen projects year and there only a few days long so. A typically I am in the office estimating. Communicating with clients, potential clients, existing clients and then managing logistics for worthy installers are going to be making sure that materials are getting. Delivered and and that the quality control is maintained. US Some so can you talk a little bit? You said that you grew up you grew up hanging wallpaper probably with your dad. Asian. Or Walker Guy and then you went in the army for awhile and then you went back to when you got out so. Initially, you probably started doing doing wall coverings yourself can you talk about? Being a wall hanging wallpaper as the guy that's doing the work. In you came into this coming out of the army is okay number and start my own business. hanging wallpaper. How is it different running to have run a business in do all the other business tasks versus actually be the won't be in the one doing the work. So I was really fortunate when I got out because I was able to buy some rules and get a up and get some insurance, and since I'm a second generation staller, my my father, my brother actually. Put me onto some more. So I was able to operate on my own through my business entity, but I wasn't responsible for any of that estimating or or materials ordering or any of that situation. Being the installer To be productive you have to focus only on on what what the task at hand is. Is Very difficult to be on the wall with my wallpaper tools. and. Be, answering the emails the one armed paper. Yet or or our these so so so being installer is more Abo- stay focused on the task being committed to the trade. The trade is kinda dwindled. There's a lot of senior installers in the in the nation. There's not so many young installers I'm Kinda in the middle of that. So being being out there being stoller requires a different set of tools in being out here being inside of the office Different set of tasks you get to deal with the client. Base to face a lot more and typically whenever we come is since we're finished were not in the big mix of things you know we're not in their when they're pushing wheelbarrows down the hallway as your you know, bring in the Giro Rosa carpeting and stuff like that were we usually come in when it's almost ready to open. So our final touches would be just like if you painted the the doorways and they're still bringing cabinets in beaten up your doorway with the cabinets. So we're we're definitely in the Finnish schedule of things. So we usually get to work bar selves. Or with our team mate, usually one or two people can can do a lot of work you know. We measure typically linear. yardage. We are materials come in thirty thirty yard bolts. So a typical seasoned installer can hang or install about sixty to ninety yards wall covering per day. So they cover a lot of wall you get three or four guys together, and you can do a hotel in a month and a half. Hundred hundred rooms under bathrooms, conference areas, breakfast rooms, administrative offices, all that good stuff. So. That's what the fields like. Interesting. Yeah. So you're still doing a mix of both you're still getting out there get your hands dirty while at the same time trying to maintain the office. the the office were in running the business What as far as the mechanics running the business yourself what kind of blind spots did you have just come out of the army? You knew the trade as far as doing the work but. What were some of the things you're missing business acumen? field experience I knew a lot from watching my father and my brother, but after being in the military for four years again, it was familiar but new all at the same time. and then like I said before the the blind spots would be. Know the administrative parts of being in business you know keeping up payroll taxes. Instead. Of having regular car insurance she got to have commercial insurance you know yet. There's a lot of things that. We live here in the United States where the American dream is very much alive people have businesses out of their trunks or out of their kitchens us you know. That being said. There's a lot more to. Digest the exchange of legal tender you know. Having, a business plan is very important. Having. Short term goals is extremely important because of short-term goals turned into your long-term ghost. Exposing yourself to people who have experience is extremely important. Find a mentor. A IF YOU WANNA be that landscaping guy find the guy that successful in town? Hey, you know I'm not trying to take business, but I would love to learn about what it is makes your business work. You know, and that's something that I've done dated in the past and I still do it today. I have a mentor who I work with about three times a year. And he has forty three years of insulation experiencing the Walker. Ray Industry. So I'm a baby next to my twenty twenty two years is really nothing next to him. so I would suggest that for anybody if you WANNA. So choose we'll talk to the guy that still the shoes. or at least try to. That's where I've. I've learned a lot of. The niche things about my industry personally. I've learned some things by stumbling on them. An applying all the skill sets that run over the years to one situation. And I've also learned a great deal just by listening by sitting in listening in respecting. A, person. Experienced in the field is is. Does. Not. have. AIDS A PRICE And if you can spend time with somebody who's as already had success who who WHO's already seen through the blind spots so to speak. Then, I Kurds after everybody. Absolute. All right. Well, we are getting close over time. So your website is dynamic wall covering dot com. Recommend you check out Leo's website. There's loud. Really cool stuff open your eyes as to what's available in the wall covering industry these days Leo last word. Given us a lot of good golden nuggets for anybody getting out of the military when you go into business for themselves, whatever it may be, what kind of if you're talking to somebody who's getting out looking to start doing business? What kind of initial advice would you have for him? Initial advice. Set some goals set some short term goals set some goals that are a week away. set some goals, three weeks or four weeks away, and then said some long term goals. and. When you make the decision. To Take that leap make sure that you take the actual. You can put it on paper you can talk about it with your family. Those are things that you should do in recommend. Someone, that you confide in talk to them cellmate as my idea, what do you think? But believe in yourself and set those short term goals. Long term goals. and Use your community resources. There's a lot of resources out there. So and the beauty of the SBA Steph you talked about earlier the ESPN Steph? It's free. You're still in you can start working with the SBA right now while you're still in, you know absolutely I do have a friend that's about to get on November and we I. Been Mentoring Him. He's actively putting his service disabled veteran small business. Saturday fixation application at the moment it takes a few months. So no, he's he's he's E. T. S. in November. He's already almost. He's taken those courses on a website for free. Talking to this is in communications veteran's affairs. So that's that's where you WANNA BE WANNA be hit the ground running for. Sure. Awesome. Right Leo appreciate you sharing your entrepreneurs success story. We look forward to seeing your future success and Keep in touch in check back in with you in year two and see how you're doing. Absolutely. Joe I appreciate your time. You Bet, right these two veterans are asking. Listening veteran on the move your pathfinder to. If you like to show. Beavis review and I tunes reviews always greatly appreciated. So until next time, this veteran is screw Mike.

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Actor Kirk Acevedo just told us why hes leading the Equinox gym boycott

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Actor Kirk Acevedo just told us why hes leading the Equinox gym boycott

"You're listening to the door to report. I'm your host scott working. Today i present to you an interview with kirk us not only as kirker wonderful actor and one of the leaders of the national boycott the trump supporting kim equinox. He actually is one of the first high profile resistors in america ever recently. More people got to know kerr this week after he sent a tweet that wildly viral which reads yo stephen ross. I'd just cancelled my equinoxes membership. After fourteen years you will not use is my dues to support a racist president along with this short video that echoes the rest of his post. Here's the audio hey steven rose us. Fuck yourself. Not many people know that kirk acevedo didn't grow up living a life of privilege before becoming a famous actor but rather he was one of the many talented people who overcame some real childhood adversity to become a nationally recognized performing artists. He told us that story too but before we start i'd like to ask you to check out the link to my new book series meet the candidates twenty twenty wani authored by this podcast producer grant stern. I'm the series editor and each book starts with an essay that i've written about each candidate. The books are a wonderful portrait of each candidate and grant look under every rock search engine and even into the internet archive to paint that portrait with lots of facts policy and history that you need to truly understand the democratic candidates for president in two thousand twenty checkout meet the candidates twenty twenty dot com to to see all the books in this podcast episode. You'll laugh you might cry but you'll definitely laugh and you'll also learn that life isn't about your problems but what you'll do to overcome them. Here's my interview with kirk acevedo qurqus vado. Thank you for joining me today. How are you. I'm doing well driller doing well. It's good to be good to be hat well. They are taking the time. I know you're slammed with your schedule. Aw i appreciate everything that you've been doing resistance wise and pushing back against the administration and in standing up for those who who definitely need it <hes> i i wanted to start by asking you to tell our listeners a little bit about yourself where you're from and what it was like attending the laguardia high school of music and art in new york city which inspired and maybe fame obviously the fame school yeah exactly. I grew up in the south bronx. I grew up all over the race in the bronx. You know we like <hes> from from. I would say for five years old two seventeen eighteen. I'm like eleven times. <hes> you know had problems is a little angsty kids and <hes> found acting which <hes> steered me in the right direction was an outlet emotionally you know stuff like that and so my mom took me out i got i got kicked out of junior high school for fighting and she took into junior high school <hes> form yards and from there <hes> i went to laguardia. Which is you know the fame school it was actually the first year in the new uh building which was which was right behind lincoln center on so and then from there just <hes> you know start conservatory for years. The suny purchase started acting and <hes> plays and really got my first gig. You're out of college. Which was what was it that made you think like i want to act like what was what was the moment where you're like. This is what i wanted to. You know what you know to be honest. You know i know it's cliche. It's something that i actually always wanted to do. I didn't know how to go about achieving their goal. You know until until i went to actually <hes> <hes> suny purchase. I was sixteen years old living on my own as a senior in high school literally. Had you know my dad moved out like you know different origins <hes> <hes> <hes> was you know troubled kid and <hes> he he left the house nice self and so my best friend actually listening right now in l._a. She <hes> lived within three months in brooklyn in the brownsville and islam was <hes> principal said hey. I'm gonna pay for your <hes> your college application for teens because you need to be acting and honestly the main reason why shooting for its bieber. Don't believe this story. Was you had three three meals a day. That is true so and then from there you know just no local walking. I love the process of or seen love being around other actress talking. You know politics art so you you went into <hes> you you went into acting obviously in fulltime professionally but at what point did you <hes> i guess what is it that informs and inspires your your kind of political beliefs. What what made you kind of start on this political not rampage page but more of speaking out for people who was early in life or visit more recent or you know my my brother is just one of those people you know he's serving both iraq wars and stuff like that and <hes> he's a <hes> <hes> customs official in new york city and his from an early age. He was just a person. He's guy that he saw saw a lady. Some individual being harassed that guy that went something so i've just there's always been sort of bread that way that the people need help you have to do what's right and <hes> so i think that kind of laid into politics away and i it definitely shit definitely <hes>. I guess i got more into it. I went to say definitely this <hes> in twenty any sixteen right just because <hes> you know it's so funny when people say what do you have. These feelings are president trump. Whoa actually met him twice so i actually <hes> <hes> an understanding of who he is on a personal basis from the handshake just who the man is and living in new york city we were privy to you know all issue mannequins and news articles about him so we're we're pretty much loma head of the curve on we walls so <hes> that was a big part of me having to in my opinion you know well now. You've voiced your opinion on a level where it is internationally heard <hes>. Can you tell well our listeners. What made you want to speak out against equinoxes and also to end your membership with them. Yeah that was actually a really hard thing on the creature of habit so fourteen years going to one place. Every morning was very different. Bras allows brushing my teeth but <hes> you know perceiving wrong and obviously he has many eddie from businesses that he accrues money and earns money from but i i just don't i want my my membership dues which some going through his pocket when he donates to a president that was my best interest and <hes> the one thing that i could do that was the light thing was to say no. It was probably within the any else it is just to say no and <hes> no matter how much it you know affected my way of life. Which like precip before is you know o._c._d. Like the same things over every morning coffee brush my teeth jim <hes> i had to make a statement and say that that is not in k nine dollars. My shift us can't go to a president who <hes> homophobic who is <hes> <hes> racist. I think my opinion and has a history. This isn't alas. I would say forty years <hes> i just had to make a stand and i held other friends who knocks knox accountable. You know call. I sent them text and i said hey this is my tweet. When are you canceling your mother ship shape and you know i would say eighty five percents. <hes> put a halt to their membership. There was one or two that were like. Let me see what happens overseas. There's some contrition or just you know. It's it's the two late you can't wait. Wait you two. Did you expect that kind of response because everybody of spoken with for the most part about ninety percent of them have said they so your tweet and that kind of kind of like wait who stephen rawson what's happening here some people who are out of it and then they looked into it and they're like oh. I'm not not going to be involved with this kind of madness and then that i think corporations need to be held accountable when they have leadership like that that wants to donate their money that they've made off of of people in their businesses and so did you expect that kind of response when he tweeted out i know of tweeted things before where i'm like. I don't know if i'll tweet this or not but then i send it and then it becomes viral caroline. I'm like oh yeah you expect that. I didn't think it was gonna go is that i did it. You know i. I have a decent amount of millions or stuff like that but you know i expected. We're catch fine juice because sequent oxygen general just you know just social scattered and you know a lot of liberals go to the gym artist artist <hes> so <hes> no to answer your question i was but i was pleasantly surprised and i'm i'm glad if people listened and it changed their opinions and the funny thing is i get you know once it goes viral. If the response is then change the become mega because you know just the trump followers then jensen ranch on and they make a ticket in the thing is if i could make a decision to not john hi my money flow team a certain candidates or certain <hes> <hes> <hes> that's my right. I could say no and the same way they responded these tweets that you know how dare i. I don't have this right absolutely happen. Sure i just say no and and watch what my money goes the same related you know so the same way could vote for whoever you vote for you know. It's like poker. You know people complain about any you know if you're in a hand and they complain about how the hell did you paul with seven deuce and the flop is seven seventy it. They can do whatever they want wherever they want their money. It's the same thing so. I made a decision. I don't i want to find out poor about meet. The candidates twenty twenty minute book series of voter guides authored by door report producer grant stern. It's the only place you can read my opinion and a factual portrait of each major democratic candidate in one place my new book now at the link inside this episode's notes or on amazon. You can also visit meet the candidates twenty twenty dot com. Thanks for your sport. Let's get back to the show joe. I'm not sure if you knew this or not but you are one of the first <hes> notable public figures the <hes> famous people that have ever pushed out the resist and resistance kind of mantra hashtag and everything and that was i. I think one of your first times was before inauguration. You're already speaking out against them but before inauguration amplifying effort <hes> can't thank you enough for that was was it that what was the moment where you were like. Oh my god like this is where you saw and you're like. I need to push back against this in some sort of way and then you started using obviously easily social media and talking to people but like was there a breaking point where you're like oh. This guy is terrible. Well listen <hes> he really it was was the <hes> mexico cantering that he threw saying that <hes> there rapist and they're criminals and some are good people which was just highly offensive are the latino was it just was you can't make these proclamations and he's put a whole group of people in a negative light and so that was on <noise> for me. I mean i was never gonna vote anyway. What that really set up like that is definitely playing the race card and <hes> i just somehow make a stand in in my son's tags will definitely log on right <hes> in obviously change change but that really was important for me and i was wondering because he does have charisma. He is different. He does things out the box now. I'm not talking to see the match ups 'cause he's not it just worked because no one has ever been politics way before knowing being someone just he <hes> trucking and just <hes> you know aces in the and it works to a certain base and group of people feel left out. He'll rejected which acted and that he's a businessman that yes this is what we need to bring the economy back up to bring jobs back to america but the the reality is his base never ever ever ever associate with his base. He's such an an elitist that is that is beyond only that this man or just you you know is is always touting his base even never even socialize. She can't with them never even <music>. Oh my god it's boxy is is i mean yeah and so in regards to trump's response. Let's just give an example of his hypocrisy your failures in his response to puerto rico especially since you have family ties. I think he was your grandparents. Your your parents born in new york. I think right and <hes> greg somebody. My dad was born there. My mom was born year both going through. What do you think what do you think about his response to hurricane. Well you know declaring it. A national national emergency was it was it was his way late. I mean i i think i wanna speak at a editor not getting the facts right but i think it was like eight to ten days and then hillary <hes> sent out a tweet to send a <hes> what's the vessel emergency vessel that they send out a navy vessel emergencies and then he sent it out and dan. It was too late the whole video again. You know sewing paper towels at the people people. We don't need paper towels. We need order. We need electricity and then the are gonna goes you know i i think there's a triumph of three people decide where the money goes to puerto rico right and that the actual governor and everyone they don't decide where the money goes wherever you go so you know djelic eating the money's weird she though oh they're held accountable foreign these deficit but it's really not on their they don't decide where this goes i so <hes> that was really alarming. You know those people ray they drafted vietnam more which you and they die for their country and they can't vote on the island makes no sense if rockall darma atma decides to leave the united states and go to puerto rico and live there and that's his main residence. He can't vote that make any sense yeah. There's a good point if he has he cannot vote the ex president of the united states if he has no residency in mainland united states he cannot vote in puerto. Rico makes sense because that's canto campbell's presence in the primaries. You can't vote for the president make sense and we all know why they don't wanna give us that opportunity to vote because they we know that those electoral votes will be what we'll be blue right so it's such politics politics being played with people's lives and assistant. It's it's bad. It's it's. It's really unfortunate. This episode of the dworkin report is brought to you by resistors like you. We aim to keep this show independent for as long as we can visit worker report dot com to see how you can help out the best ways is by hitting that contribute button atop bright the giving what you can thanks again for your support. Let's get back to the three last questions for yeah. These are these ones that are more simple. You have two kids. <hes> have you gotten a lot of questions do to trump's antics like his loudmouth nece and of course his numerous immerse scandals for my children yeah. Have they ask you a lot of questions about like. What exactly is this about not understanding. Maybe maybe hearing things at school or seeing things on t._v. Like if there had been a lot of things where you've had to explain to them this is not like a good thing for good person to do or any questions that have been awkward. You know my my daughter. Is you know she's <hes>. She definitely has my diem. Hey hey because in my personality <hes> she was at a private school with figure out of this certain private school and in los angeles <hes> <hes> the prayed during the midterm elections that that he president trump would win the bitterns the senate seats and i just find that so offensive because already at an early age you trying to sway children politically and and you know since it's a private school they can do though you know. There's no there's no separation of church and state private schools. They can do whatever whatever they want and i find that offensive because red children radically first of all too young. She really have an opinion because they have experienced having tape. Do you want jobs <hes>. I just wanted to defensive because that's really my job. As a parent art guide my child i just felt that they were swayed my child in the way and you know about abortion on how it's evil satan's work and <hes> so i had to take my child that she came home crying on that and walk you know they made a spray in math president which i like this. Is you know no. What is our country our country. He's just so splitting that man. You know what i mean like you. Just it's. It's it's it's really sad and that's that's absurd. That's the i've asked a lot of people on on this show about that like you know they have kids and that is the most striking answer i've ever heard. A bye for that is yeah. I don't know how i know. Parents would have yanked me out of the school. If that happened <hes> 'cause they don't they don't want you. Even i think in a lot of the people that i'm like an uncle to my nephews nieces and whatnot they all are on the same page where they just don't talk about politics inside the school at all all right but it's a public school you know but they don't they don't want they don't want them to have to worry about. Who's going to win the house of the senate or who's in the white house or who's in congress like they want them to worry about what their future is and you know studying for class not in their homework and not the rest of the garbage you know that's out there and why i wanted to my kids and i want you to <hes> <hes> helped my children <hes> <hes> with their you know their <hes> their syntax and they're just you know history you. You don't have to teach my children rally. That's my job as a parent. You know what i mean. Teaching what's right and wrong and it's not your job so absolutely so. Let's say let's win. A movie does come out about the trump administration <hes>. What role would you play. Do you think if out of this this whole thing. Who do you think you'd play best in. The administration or former ministration been fire people who quit the campaign. Whatever who do you think you would play of the overall trump story. There's two people low in taos ski. I could roll down a doing so well. I <hes> <hes> and he'd be happy because when we look at home so that would be i agree. We're us for him and <hes> <hes> which debuted this this came out the former <hes> head of <hes> <hes> yeah yeah i <hes> i'm gonna see his name on huarong <hes> scaramucci oh yeah mooch yeah scaramucci moot moods nuts which is why i schwab very charismatic charming guy is a daily all right <hes> and that's how they all so you know it really turns against and some they slip. It's it's <hes> but at least reflect with you so in this is one of the biggest questions and simple though but i doubt he is listening but if he were what would your message be to trump you know you're the president of the united states <music>. You're the president of all the people half the people you're the president of all people and sometimes you have concessions towards the other side. You know there's never going to be a president is never going to be a politician. That's gonna make everyone happy. It's impossible. There's always gonna be some now consol or malcontents. What's what's understandable for the most part. You're the president of all the people and he's not he's only the president for days. Ace your presidency the base that <hes> he wants to stand by him to get reelected again and you know that's that's not how it is you know. I can't think you could do anything right could give them <hes> criticism on his politics and being as uniform war is what he is. I can't you know it's i can't change that tiger stripes you know if he has <hes> racist tendencies. That's who he's going to be. That's just we is the the only power that is the power to vote. That's it. I'm sick of <hes>. You know you know my only criticism towards media yeah. They gave him a pass. During the elections they gave him a us and that pass was always pellets well because on the as edges they didn't hold him accountable chrome day one and they have to accept responsibility responsibility for that they have to so. I'm not gonna change you. We is i can't you can't the only the thing that we can teams is to get out and vote. That's the most power we have get out and vote with fifty percents. The country does not vote and personally. I think there should be some penalty some financial penalty. If you do not vote i really do you should vote. People would turn out. I can tell you that i listen. I don't care if people donald duck. Just get out and fucking vote but then don't cry when your person doesn't get elected. They don't complain when you're person doesn't get elected because you didn't vote. It can get <hes> you know yeah. That's what that's what what happens is people get elected and then they're like why are all these new laws coming across this as it represent. My district is in represent. The country in this supreme court justice doesn't make percents. It's all coming back to the fact that those people were elected. It's somehow also ex we top of that. If we get rid of the electoral college evie amazing to that's never an often bad that can happen that'd be brilliant but <hes> if someone could give me a history lesson or political electoral college. I understand it on the basic level but i just don't understand it. I don't know why we gab so i know why we have. I just doesn't make any a lot of things. Don't don't make any sense. I wanted to thank you of nine for taking your time today but win. Few people stood up and i really genuinely mean this. I was on m._s._n._b._c. skipped my start. Their december twenty sixteen gene enrolling into january and i was talking about this is when trump said i have no russian ties. That's what we started with is dealing with him having no russian ties and i was the guy out with a report lord saying here's my report on his russian ties like this is forty pages of thirty years of connections or whatever anyways long story short. You're one of the few people who stood up and you know kinda. Kinda started shouting out the movement in in pushing back against him and turning it in from you know a <hes> love resistance or or you know different resistance movements across the world in turning it into the resistance here. <hes> you know whether you like it or not. You're one of those leaders of the movement and i can't appreciate you nuff in everything you've done your patriot and by just appreciate everything you've done and what you do appreciative really doing. You're doing the good work to you are on the right side of history my phone. We both are thank you kirk. I appreciate it. Kirk is a vital reservoir. I wanna thank kirk awesome. Overtaking the time by producer grants during you can follow him on twitter at korean stern you can check out our website at dworkin report dot com. You can take a look at book series at meet the candidates twenty twenty dot com. Tom and i know it's been a long few months has been a long few years but i just wanted to relate to everybody that <hes> because because of people like kirk and other standing up and speaking out like yourself. We're going to overcome this all. I'm sure of it <music> two long road but it's worth it. That's a show basically for listening. <music> were <music>.

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178 Author Elizabeth Acevedo

What Book Hooked You?

37:31 min | 9 months ago

178 Author Elizabeth Acevedo

"This is what Cook to you. I'm actually and thanks for listening on this episode I'm ecstatic to have Elizabeth Vado joining me. Bestselling author National Book Award Winner and her latest book. Clap when you land is out now and we talk a lot about Verse and what is her approach to planning to write a novel in verse and one of the most interesting parts of this is when you hear her talk about her audiobooks in that she narrates all of them and how that has become an element within her writing process. So great conversation. Hope you enjoy it. Listen so Elizabeth. What book hooked you? This is really tough. I mean I've been racking my brain and I think there are a couple of books that I was really moved by. Initially I wanted to talk about La because of Winn dixie Bi Katie to Kamilo and then I was considering Jacqueline Woodson. I remember reading Miracle Boys in Middle School and it was actually a read aloud And to seen so moved by that book and then devouring every Jackie Woodson book. You know that was available but I as I kept replaying. Not just what influenced me as as a young person but then as a writer what? I aspired to create. I think the best example would be speak by Laurie Halse Anderson. And I'm sure you've probably got this answer before but I think there's something about that book that feels so special in like you've discovered something about yourself while you're reading it and it almost feels like a secret like do other people know what's in this book. Are they allowed to let them? I allow to read this As a kid I remember feeding is going to get in trouble but because of that it felt so truthful in felt so honest in a lot of my work. I think is walking in in Laurie. Steps and Jacqueline Woodson steps and Mike. How do we write honestly about characters deal with really difficult things in ways? Make kids feel like you know I'm seeing Yeah yeah that's great and I think I'm right there with you. Speak always reminds me of like an kind of what we snow. Today is why. That's like the origin book in a lot of ways. At least in my view I just with what did so when it came to reading when you were a young person. Was that like an active activity in your young adult life. It was I was a big reader And I think partly it would that we lived in a small two bedroom apartment in New York City and I mean it can't be more than seven hundred square feet. There wasn't a lot of Base to claim as your own. There you know. My parents were really strict. I wasn't allowed to just hang out outside unless I had a purpose but books were something that were really safe right. My parents were kind of like well. She's quiet she's and it almost felt really subversive. Because I would like go to the you know the library and pick out all these books. I'm like they don't even know what I'm reading like. Reading Romance novels than you know. Getting my whole life but but books were away to kind of feel felt really confining and explore you know what felt like the world and relieve in you know. That's where mom would like urge me to leave the house. Please go do something other than read but I could spend ten hours in my bed just just reading on Saturday in. That was an ideal Saturday for me. I was fine with that and I and I get the sense you know because you were living in this apartment. That reading was away to in a sense. Give you the space that you didn't physically have. It was entirely about space. It was it was about. I mean I think when we talk about books as escapism. We think almost in the psychic around like there's something happening at Escape but I think for me. It was what felt physical. I mean I would hang out on my fire escape in like sit out there like I think it was just wanting to feel free from what I was being told you know how I had to contain myself. And so even just those little. I'm GONNA sit on the stoop instead. I'm GONNA sit on the fire escape where I'm going to go to the rooftop or like I was still technically home but I could you know I could remove myself from what felt felt really tight. I think folks let me do that too. I learned how to kind of remove myself from whatever space I was actually in it and feel free and so then on top of your reading. What role did writing play in your life as a young person? I don't know that when I was young I necessarily made a link between much. I read and how much I wrote. They felt like Mary separate practices to me. I've always loved reading fiction but even at a young age I began with songwriting. And then you know rap and then poetry and so you know I kind of imagined I would go into music which didn't necessarily feel related to fiction. But but I realized I was almost like telling the stories to myself. I would read these books in door these books in love these books but I really think I I would write a fictional novel but something about hip pop in something about poetry. Felt like it could be mine and it felt like a way to communicate what I wanted to get across performing in I could carry it in my body and I could gifted on any street corner or on or at the park or at school like it felt fluid in a way. That A Y. Re because it's GonNa teach me how to write a book one day like that wasn't thought I ever conceived if I read because I love stories and the only way to tell stories are poetry so so I'm Gonna I'm GonNa tell my own story. But they're gonNA feel different than something you find on a book show. That's what I imagined and just as Jacqueline Woodson and Laura Anderson. Our inspirations in the fiction side of things when it came to hip hop artists whether y are even now what? What artist did you draw inspiration from? Oh I was really a big Fan. I loved two-pack Eve was big when I was When I was growing up so there was a woman who claimed her body in cleaned all kinds of things I just thought she was so phenomenal. in the space that she took up. Lauren Hill with someone that I really enjoyed. I got to high school in and discovered her work and so there were a lot of examples and is an amazing place to to be a big hip hop out head because all of my friends were also rappers. Everyone had school. Like music was everywhere. And so from the underground you know guys who were coming up in my neighborhood to like the big national seen it felt like I had access to music but but those four artists are for big ones. That I look to Austin and so when you started to get more into The poetry and the slam aspect of writing and performing. When did you first remember knowing that narrative works of fiction could be done inverse? Do you remember when that was something that you knew it existed him was possible? I think I was already an adult. I don't know if I read a novel in verse when I was in middle school. I'm trying to think in high school I mean. We read Greek classics in so I knew of ethics which you know one can argue would be the blueprint for the novel in verse. And so I think I remember looking at that and realizing Oh wait this is. This is poetry for Short Shakespeare. Right like they were plays. But I'm like I don't know like this. I think we linked a bunch of poems and like put in a transition between them and we call that a player or fiction or that. We called it a lot of things but and and even learning that. Shakespeare meant for everything to be heard right. Most people work that are like it just made sense to me like Oh wait. I you know we do this all the time with it. But we do this. All the time with rapper. With which we're just linking these things that we perform orally and we find the ways to create a narrative hinge between them. But I don't know that I was thinking about the novel in verse in so it must have been when Ellen Hopkins was probably the first author whose book I saw was like. Wait a minute. This is We call the realistic fiction at the time. This is realistic fiction. But it's told in a way that feels closer to what I what I've been trying to do. And so your journey lead you to getting into education and so what when you were when you were preparing yourself. Actually in front of kids. How what books do you remember Really drawing from or trying to get in front of other students That you were really excited about you know what I think. One of the funny things about being a teacher is that you so offense into the books you loved when you eight to give to your kids so my students had a lot of Jacqueline Woodson. Laurie Halt Sandison And Walter Myers with someone who? I was really interested in a lot of exciting books. I I worked at a school. That had a really low reading level right. Most of my students were in eighth grade. But we're at fifth sixth grade reading levels and so a lot of it was about a book that would catch them in. That would keep them hooked and interested and those authors mentioned were big ones but certainly I mean. I couldn't keep hunger games on the shelf. I couldn't keep divergent on the shelf and then there were books that I didn't know how they would land so many years later like some NATO's house on Mango Street. I gave to one child and I wasn't sure what she would think about it right. This is two thousand twelve in so many years after that book was published many years after I read it in eighth grade and this kid will couldn't put it down. I had at one end up getting woman Hollering Creek and You know download it. All these poems that that's messy cinematheque without kind of created a a mini collection for the student to to be able to take home and keep so. There were books that was a mix of what was current in contemporary. But also my own style. J. Wanting to like a firm in a student front of me that I could hear what they were asking for because I had had that yearning I think. Sometimes my giving books was was that and just from your experience With kids was it. Was it a wakeup call? 'cause I I was also in education that you grew up loving books and loving stories. And then you get in front of kids who didn't and don't naturally have The same love that you had in your job is to then try to get that love across did you. Did you have a hard time? Doing that are learning how to convince these students and bring them along with you. I mean I think I was. A young teacher came through a teaching program. I was twenty two years old. Mike classrooms were were full to the brand. I mean thirty four students a class in so I had no idea what I was doing and and now say that probably any teacher in that situation is going to struggle to try to figure out how to Really encourage literacy in their classroom. But I I won't say I was surprised. I mean I did it. I didn't grow up with a lot of readers. I wouldn't say my friends were necessarily readers. I wouldn't My parents always had newspapers in there. Were books in the House and we had encyclopedias and so it was clear that literacy was important. You know I didn't catch my brother's reading novels at in. My you know my home from upstairs the neighbors Reading books on the stoop and so I knew that I was a big reader but that that wasn't necessarily as common in in in that neighborhood people had other priorities and other things that they were doing Teach in a school that reflected that same community. I knew what I was getting into when I walked into the school in realized you know where my students were. And that's a lot of them. Were afraid of books a Lotta felt like they could it be good readers. It wasn't that they don't love stories. They love stories. They were just afraid of understanding it of it being too difficult being bored right like they had already told themselves myth about what they would be able to do with language and so my job was just to think through that myth and really. I was very explicit. I was very up front. With what the statistics were for the community with literacy rates for that community. How literacy rates Attach THEMSELVES TO UPWARD MOBILITY IN SOLD. Talking with thirteen year olds about. I get that this may not be a thing you want to do. I understand that this may be a skill that you struggle with or feel ashamed about. How do we talk through that? Because of the potential outcomes in terms of being able to access something like that you may not have to now but also in terms of the richness of what stories do. I know you'll love me. I know you love. Tv looks film so you are constantly engaging with narrative and so this is just going to be another opportunity to Sa- feel that same connection to two story and you know sometimes it worked sometimes. It didn't some students took longer and some students were like wait. I don't walk be years behind my reading level. I really WANNA go actor in It ranged and so from reading other interviews and information of your background in your origin story. As far as a writer is come from Being in front of these students and and wanting and them communicating Wanting to see themselves in stories. And that's kind of helped motivate you and that you had sort of this intended audience in mind and so then with that. I'm wondering then with how far reaching your first book. The poetics Became that it went well beyond well beyond what your intended audience Initially was what does that been like that. You have reached so many more people than maybe what you originally thought you were writing towards. I'm glad I didn't know like I'm glad there was no crystal ball with me like when you're done. This thing is going to be pretty big because I think I would have edited differently. I would have had a lot of I mean you already have so many doubts when you write and to know the reach would have probably scared me. And it's an odd thing I mean with the fire on hi. My second novel came a year after GLOP. When you land. My third book is coming out right outside. I've been putting out a book a year since the politics add. It is hard to sit with a story that you know has its own project and its own vision and that you love and characters you love and not second guess. Well we'll people be as mu. Well what what if you compare it to the poet x? What if they want more of that and kind of trying to quiet those voices because I think a lot of people would love equal to the products? They would love the twin store. They I get these emails all the time about those kinds of ways that people wanna stretch that world and live in that world a little bit longer and it's hard to kind of be really mindful that I don't WanNa do the same thing over and that in the same way I didn't know what the politics would do. There are other projects I have in mind that also may have Immense impact in in so. It's hard to imagine that the audience who loves this work who has shown up for this work may not know best may not know best what what I can make sure or what I can give them that they might really love. And so I kind of have to be the chef in the kitchen will. This is the daily special whether you like it or not. The only thing I'm serving and if you trust me this far and you're still showing not like I promise you'll leave nervous that's kind of high field and there's only one meal and you know it's it's only been two years since the products have with everything that has come with it and Your Second Book and just your career and all that it's brought you have you had time to sort of sit back take a step back and reflect on all of it and just The scale of everything. No no I think I think it was good that I I kind of kept working kept going. I I think I would have been really afraid of of Taurine of of doing any of the work that I had to do if if I had known and if I also stopped I think this you know when you start going to Congress as he realized that people recognize your that before showing up to your panels and are are there specifically to you have to say. I think I would have put pressure on myself that I'm glad I didn't have when I kind of walk into spaces and was like well. I was relatively unknown last week. Still relatively unknown and whether that was true or not a help my anxiety to imagine to imagine that. But you know I think we're in a current moment where the world has had a hard stop and even prior to this. I had to kind of make time Ray. You said then you have time I had. I didn't have I had to carve it out because I realized that I I had never taken a moment to regroup. I kept writing. I kept going. I finished with the fire on high turned it into my editor and the next day. I was working on the third book like I. I think I come from such a model of if you don't take advantage of it now it will be taken from you that. I I I didn't know how to To sit right I I kind of thought as well. You're just resting on your laurels. And what does that mean like you have to keep making work And I think I probably could have slowed down a little bit sooner and certainly Already knew about a month or two ago like okay. I can't I can't keep this pace up and also I need to process years worth of life Kim -solutely so as a writer in verse I've had many authors on if only a handful have been Verse Writers how I have a good sense of how your your prose novel is is set up and structured so when it comes to writing a novel in verse where. You have both both the poetry and the narrative. How do you go into the structure or the planning stages do you outline? What's your method? Also I wish I outlined. That sounds really nice. No I'm most certainly a pancer in I. I kind of delight in it. I don't want to know the story. I don't want to know what happens yet. I want to discover it alongside the character. I want to be delighted by possibility and opportunities and so I do a very when a story comes to mind the first thing is determining what what. What's the form is it verse is it? Prose? Is it a hybrid is. Is this a tweet? Maybe it's not a story at all right and so I kind of sit with what's the container and I usually have a pretty good sense of well. This has a lot of into your your body. There's GonNa be a lot of. This is a big topic that I'm going to have to kind of heal layer by layer and I don't imagine a big cast or a lot of dialogue and saw mill. Okay that's probably more diverse than and if I know it's a bigger story where there's going to be traveling adventure where I have to really detailed pages of studied. That's probably pros right so I think I have a good kind of gauge. That lets me know what kind of writing is needed for a story. But I don't plot and so. I'm glad you could find structure my books than sows grade. I'd comes later but I have a sense of. Here's a problem. And here's the thing the character wants to do and then I'm just following them. They're usually the language the verse although I'm drafting in verse. Adult put too much pressure on it being poetry or being good or bead full of images yet I think the first draft is just. How do I find the rhythm of the story? Both the narrative story the pacing but also the actual language is there a rhythm that the character speaks in voice. And if I have that that's enough for me to do the first draft if I kind of have the music of it and then I'll come in all. That's not a tight end manager. I don't think she would use that word. Or what can polling do on a page so that it's adding to the content? In the craft. It's kind of working. You know harmoniously but that'll be later on revisions With the fact that you don't outline and there's that saying you know you gotTa Kill Your Darlings when you're revising so are there. Do there ended up being a lot of Poems that you really love that don't end up fitting in any of your books that you can end up having to cast aside there are The poet actually had a a special edition that had poems that had been cut prior. Like five or six. That didn't make it In with clap. When you land I mean it was such a different novel. There was only one character. The whole story was in that one character's voice so a lot of that character's things got chopped as I introduced a second point of view right had to balance the story and so I know when I'm writing like a lot of this end up there or it's not the right story it'll be a great image or a great metaphor character would ever use and so I have to then think about who that would actually belong to But I would say I'm very spare writer. My my issues usually having some beef up a manuscript so the first draft of the poet was twenty thousand words and I was like all right. That's it that's all right. And so then I had to go in and find holes but in general I I write the skeleton of the bare bone Fleshing out in filling in but less cutting more adding I would say is what I typically right and so your newest book you've already mentioned it Clap Milan comes out on the fifth of May give me the kind of the basic summary of what the books about cloud when you land is the story of two sisters who don't know about each other one lives in the Dominican Republic. One lives in New York. They share a father and he tragically dies on a plane crash on his way to visit the one sister in the Dominican Republic and all of the secrets he held and a lot of things that Were best left cog on earth come out with with his passing. It is based on a true story or true event of flight. Eight five eight seven which crashed in New York City in two thousand and one and it was a plane full of Dominicans. It Iraq my community to you know to lose in one day. Three hundred three hundred Dominicans from New York. I mean it. We knew people on that flight. We had friends on that flight. We had neighbors on flight in and I always kind of sat with that. How do you so much loss in a single day and the little personal tragedies no one ever sees once it's no longer on CNN and so that's what that was In the back of my head when I began trying to tell this story how do you deal with loss and gain in moments of of you know both national tragedy but these little griefs that you don't know what to do with our where to put them in so these two sisters are kind of thinking through all of those questions because you're dealing with two points of view Inverse what how? How did you go about establishing each individual voice of each character Since they have to sort of be complementary and may be competing at times. Y'All had to really think through what they were sounding like. I mean there's like a marker at the top of the page and sister is written in couplets in the other ones intersted so that they're very visual ways that are reader can distinguish between the two sisters but I also really wanted to think about how they sounded rioted. So you know. I think that you hirose assistant sister lives in. New York has more of a Written shorter lines. There's a harder grittier. Sound like she uses words just have hard consonants and in that felt very New York that felt very like the neighborhood she was growing up in. And also just this quick pacing of things communal. A my head is writing her. I'm thinking about the fact that everything on writing is translated. I'm writing in English but this is a speaker who is thinking in Spanish and so there are phrases that I directly translated but didn't necessarily conjugate in a way that it fits English syntax right and so it. It was about mapping onto the story without pulling back from the fact that she has a slightly slower paced life that these are going to be longer lines. That there's a lot more Idioms that come through. Because that's a big way that Dominican speak. There's always a powerball or store idiom that we're using and so traditional idioms come through but in English which was very surprising to me when you know afraid so well you translate you realize it feels so different in a different language and so for those two sisters. It was kind of trying to find those rhythm and then. I'll say that I gave each their own what. I call language of experiences so you hire replaced chess a lot of metaphors have to do with. Chechen games in competition Camino the Dominican Republic is someone who loves to swim and so a lot of her metaphors. Her language base is coming from fluidity from the earth from being connected right like it's so I I kind of shape them based on what these characters would know and because writing in verse. It's such a vocal Method of writing. So when? You're drafting are you. I'm imagining you walking around your space. Like Sein- The poems out loud are you also saying to people. Are you having other people read them to you? How does how does that typically end up looking like I definitely read while I'm writing and will sit with with certain pieces over and over to make sure that they sound right. I'm really thankful that I get to do the audio books for my work. Which means that I have that one lasts. Sorta revision once. I think it's done in non-performing it you can hear it one more time and I can hear it live with the audiobook director in the engineer. So I'm also paying attention to whether or not it's coming across how I imagined. And they're asking questions that made me rethink right word or is this right here in. So that's one more level where I'm allowed to do those last minute changes i. It's really hard for me to listen to someone else doing my work right. Because it's like I want to enjoy it as a listener. But also I'M. I'm too hyper aware of all of the changes. I could make it but that's a interesting suggestion. That might be something. I try like caffeine. A you know with screenplays or with with stage plays people will do A. Maybe I should start doing that so I can hear it differently. So your books have changed after your audiobook recording session in some ways they change during so sometimes there will be changes that I realized half to happen or like. Oh that's not the right word or end will not so record it as As I want it to be. And then we usually try to get those notes into the editor or to my editor initial come back and say whether or not we can make those changes but because books are recorded usually on past pages right before final final. I still have a little bit of wiggle room so nothing now. I can't change the plot if I'm not all of a sudden this character doesn't work but but I can do little things like that's not the right word or I don't think she would say that or that doesn't coincide with a thing that we said to poems ago. So let's strike that line and and I I've been able to get some of those changes in and was that something. Was that kind of a happy accident that when you went into record the codex that you didn't necessarily intend to be making those changes like that or was that sort of your hope along. That's exactly it was such a happy accident. I mean I thought you know the poet X. was done and and that I couldn't touch it ever again. I think most debut author. I just didn't know what was possible so I turn the second passed out. Never see that book against let's published right. I'm pretty sure I like six more times. But but when I went into the studio with it was my audiobook director. Who like well if you're stumbling over that line and you're saying it's not coming out the way you wanted it to come out like we can cut that word and I just never being flabbergasted. Cut that word what. It's going to be different. Audiobook isn't going to Maj. She's like no. I'll email your editor and we'll see if we can get the change of prove. Let's take it both ways and that's usually what happens so. I'll take it the way it's written and I'll take it with the change. I want to add and so if things get approved will right match the text to what I did in the studio and they don't will keep it as is but after that I realized I had. I probably took advantage of the fact that it was supposed to be one or two changes in every book thereafter. I've been a count on the fact that at least I get to hear it one more time when you're kind of looking at at your career looking towards the future. Is there anything you want to explore? Grow play with that? You haven't yet gotten a chance whether that's John Raya or or medium. I have so many things WANNA do. I mean one thing I'm I'm really conscientious about is like I love writing and I love it because of the challenge it creates for me. I love pity myself against who I think I can be. It's why the second book was imposed. I wanted to see if I could do it. I wanted to to make sure I wasn't pigeonholed as a single kind of writers while the third book is dual narrative. Here's the challenge of okay. I've written in verse before can I? Can I slip that? Can I push? Can I try something different for me? It's a lot about play. It's a lot about experimentation. And and and yeah might fail. I might make things that aren't good and and I'm okay with learning from that. I'm okay with taking the chance right. And so I wanNA write fantasy and I had a short story that was published in the analogy of Phoenix. I must bird which came out in March and that's a historical fantasy. Short stories set on the island of respond. Ula In fifteen twenty one right and so how do we talk about America in during the early stages of Eliza mm-hmm but but also medieval times right? Because that was the mindset. People were coming from that for like new world to me. I am riding in an adult novel and have been working. The proposal is I have twenty pages of that written and thinking through. How does my voice in my registered change for adults? What what are the things that I could say? Or how? Can I say something differently? Because the expectation of the audience is different and so I'm hopeful that there will be out of pockets that I can dig into as I keep keep working. It's great there other books brock. I we'll wait. We'll be waiting salon things down and now as you said of questions. I ask everyone the first one being. What is your favorite movie? That's based on a book. Oh I recently watched I'm working on the screenplay for my second novel is watching a lot of food movies. But you know really liked Like water for chocolate. I think it's so hard to get magic across without a feeling cheesy and magical realism is almost even harder. Because there's no wand there's no special effects and that's not what the audience is expecting and so the way that movie handled magic and family and food. I thought was so special. I'll say as of right now. That is one of my favorite adaptations great and finally. What is the last great book that you've read? I've been doing some great reading recently. I've been reading mostly adult. There is a mystery series. That's called deck below stairs and the author Prior to this mystery series roll mostly romance but I just think I think she's brilliant and She's right in about a cook who is solving murders which is just pretty. That was a fun series in one that I got through relatively quickly. And I'm reading or rereading Lisa Thompson. Spires heads of the colored people which is a short story collection and his wild and weird and wondrous is a book. I am trying to learn from well. Elizabeth your newest one clap when you land comes out on. May The fifth congratulations on this book? Were excited for it. And we can't wait to see all the other ones you have planned for us. Thanks so much it was nice to speak with you and I'm glad to have been on. What Book Cookie and that does it for this episode. Big thanks to Elizabeth isolated for joining me. It was such a blast to have the opportunity to speak with her. I hope you check out her latest. Clap when you land and if you can listen to the audiobook wiring along its I think. With knowledge in verse. That's one of the best ways to experience them to hear the words spoken as you're following along. If you're a first time listener to the PODCAST I hope you will check out some of our other episodes in the feed a lot of why and some middle grade authors with some books. I think you'll really enjoy. I'm Brock Shelley and until next time keep reading

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Takeaways: Darren Waller, Michelle Beisner-Buck

Vegas Nation - Raiders Football

26:12 min | 4 months ago

Takeaways: Darren Waller, Michelle Beisner-Buck

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If you're ever on our podcast page as well at review journal podcast check out some of the other shows that we have there. They are J ringside podcast golden Edge podcast and wage more. All right everybody. So let's get into this right now. I think I'm going to kick things off here with Michelle beisner-buck who talked to me about her feature that she did with Raiders fans. The Raider Nation found three different groups of fans that have relentlessly pursued this team. So let's talk to her now about that feature that she put together with some of the families that you followed. It's really amazing their Journeys as Raider fans and some of them have bought these Legacy bricks that are going up and around the stadium that one of them that most interested me that I saw in a little snippet of your feature was Ed and Tina Acevedo. They're from Corona, California, but they got married in Las Vegas talk to me about what it was like wage. Speaking with them and their unique wedding that they had in Las Vegas. All right. Well, first of all Tina and Ed are they were so much fun to interview we luckily were able to do all of these interviews be so I at least got to see their faces and I just they are just so infectious their personalities are just right and their love for each other off her nation is is like nothing maybe I've ever seen and I am a super fan of T myself and they are this is legit. So they met they were both managers at Walmart. They never thought they started dating obviously for Ed, you know, Tina had to be a Raider fan. There was no way that he was going to spend the rest of his life with somebody that was in a Raiders fan, but she actually didn't grow up a football fan. So she comes from a she had a little bit different perspective, right? He introduced her to Raider Nation. They went to a game. They sent the black hole. They tailgated in Oakland inoko. And she said it was the birth time of their life. And from that moment on she was a die-hard Raider fan. So they were driving out to Las Vegas to make the long story even longer for you. They were driving out to Las Vegas and they both been married before and I believe it was Ed that actually came up with this idea and asked Tina if she would be willing to get married in Las Vegas. To which she said? Yes, and then he's ruin this little cherry on top of what if we did it in Raiders jerseys. So what she said absolutely so they went and they got married need to get the rest of it, but they did it in their Raiders jersey. So, you know, the Raiders are are not only a part of how they started dating and how they courted one another and the the funds that they kind of formed going the game, but man I mean, they took it to the extreme they got married and Raiders jerseys. I don't know that as much as I love my husband. I don't know that I would have done that for him to her home. Well, like we said you are doing this feature package here on a lot of the Raider Nation fans and how their travels have been to come to watch the team how many of them that you interviewed our job at least saying, yes, we will still travel to Las Vegas to watch our Raiders play every single one of them. I mean with with no question. I mean they Raiders fans Will Rogers Travel and I think that you know traditionally and historically Raider nation has a bit of a reputation for being a bit rambunctious little wild it can at times even be dangerous. But you know, I think there is that's the misconception or the perception of crazy fans and every single one of these lovely people that I talked to were gracious and and said that there is nothing but camaraderie and an awful feeling of unity and family and it really is special. It's like it's like, you know, I don't know I think that I think there are certain fan base wage is in the NFL and across Sports in general that really really Define what it means to be a die-hard fan and and the Raiders fans really epitomize all of that song. So, I mean there was not a hesitation. I didn't finish the question when I interviewed these people and ask them if they would be going to Raiders tables. The last absolutely they said we'll be there somehow someway will tailgate it's Vegas were in it doesn't matter how long the drive is we're going to they're they're all in every one that I talked to said that they were going to miss tailgating at Oak go and being there because it was a unique venue. It was a unique Stadium. It was like a unique and very special kind of sacred place for them. But but far off the the response to that was everyone is really excited. And you know again wherever they go the Raider fans will travel they will be there. They they have unwavering loyalty to the silver and black great stuff. And again, I'm on the line here with Michelle beisner-buck and you had some big news for your own FAQ. During the Bengals Browns halftime your husband Joe was named to the 2020 Pete Rozelle radio television Award winner, which means Pro Football Hall of Fame just as his father Jack before him did and that makes them the first-ever father-and-son duo to achieve that what was that announcement? Like for your family? Oh girl. Oh God. That was and I mean, I think we're still floating. I don't think we've actually touched touched the ground yet. We're still on cloud nine at this moment. But you know, Joe had no idea that this was happening. I didn't get tipped off until probably five minutes prior when his boss at fox called me which you know, he doesn't call me often. So when I saw his number come up, I was a bit panicked wondering why it was following calling me mid game, but he said listen you gotta Fox does a really good job of keeping secrets. You have to watch it half dead. Joe it's going to be announced that Joe's going to be inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame and I and I just started sobbing and I shake swipe you said yes, it's true. And I was like, oh my God, it said long wait, I got to go like I love you for all of this. But how dare you like call me with five minutes left to the he'll have to call so many people and tell them to watch hockey without telling them what's going on and off hang up the phone. I called all my family. I called Joe sister and his mother and everyone's crying and I'm telling everyone to spread the word without ruining the surprise and it was just awful. I mean and still lives. It's such a special just feeling I there is no one now, of course. Listen, I'm a bit biased obviously is my husband, but there is no one that works harder and juggles more and does his job with such kind of ease and Brilliance and just Pig Vacation. I mean he is so deserving of this and I've never been more proud and it is so special for his mother to be able to know that her late husband. She can and her son Joe are there together in the Pro Football Hall of Fame the first father-son Duo to do it. It is such an honor and we are we're all going to be there or celebrating this in Canton. Hopefully, you know that that all goes as planned. But yeah, I mean, I just I have no words. I have a lot of Tears though a lot of happy tears, but sometimes you run out of words to say, but I just I've never been more happy for another human in my entire life. All right. That was Michelle beisner-buck of ESPN. 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Welcome back to the takeaways Edition at the Vegas Nation Podcast. No, I want to get into this interview with Darren Waller because he's put together this foundation and they're going to have a benefit Gala and that's not going to happen on Monday September 28th starting at 6:30 p.m. Here in Las Vegas. And the foundation is to help at-risk Youth and that's something that is near and dear to Darren Wang heart as many of you know, he played with the Ravens and then was released and had had many substance abuse problems. He had a near-death experience that helped him realize he had to get a clean and once he was clean he was brought on by the Raiders. So now that he's with the Raiders. He's had a breakout 2019 campaign and now twenty-twenty. He's following right back up on that right where he left off after this Monday night's performance. He had a hundred and three receiving yards and the touchdown but I don't want to waste any more time talking about who Darren Waller is let's hear from him in his own words about this fan. Foundation how he put it together and also a little bit on the season so let's get into this right now with Darren Waller. Monday September 28th from 6:30 p.m. To 9:30 p.m. The Darren Waller Foundation is hosting a Gala called be on the wall at the dragon Ridge Country Club. And this is for at risk youth and young adults. First of all, where did you find the time to build this foundation and start putting this together? So Caesar kind of planted do walk-ins last season with friends and people that were close to me about you know, what I could do to give back and start, you know, using my platform in a more way in a way that can really impact lives and found a couple of those things and I got you linked up with prolanthropy and got the foundation going officially back in February. So we just been working, you know, covina's kind of wage goes back a little bit, but it's great to get things going now and to really be able to have a vision of how to serve people out of, you know, really help young people and really get it going so long Starting in February and now we're really getting the ball rolling with this evening coming up next Monday. What does it mean to you to be able to give back? We know the story of how you've recovered from drug abuse and home made yourself into this Dynamic football player. That would just amazing breakout seasons. And now this using your following right up on it. So what has it been like for you to be able to give back to the community? It's been great for me. Honestly. I feel like it's you know, the greatest gift that I have is my story is the things that I've gone through Thursday feel like I've been unique perspective on you know success and you know trying to achieve that success I'll try to do the, you know have a bunch of money in the status wage and football and a whole bunch of friends, but that didn't really work for me and that's what a lot of people try to chase, but it's really comes down to you know, what makes you happy at the end of the day living a life. Tailored to you and one that you respect so I had to do a lot of work on myself and I could avoid a lot of bumps in the road. But that's what made me who I am so I can share knowledge of people and making kind of avoid the pitfalls that I fell in when I was younger. I just want to give them Tools in you know options to you know, choose themselves instead of giving into peer pressure giving into drugs and alcohol when you know, it was really we we know how those certain things kind of play out. So I just want to give him, you know different tools to go about life and certain things that stress them out. Yeah, that's really commendable that you're doing all this and helping me out risk youth when you put forward these type of programs how the people so far how if they come through to you have they found you through your website or have you heard stories from other people and you're like, hey, let me go reach out to this person and try to help out so far has the foundation become to be built. Yeah the dog It's a lot of support right now A lot of people are you know donating a lot of people are you know, giving attention to it and supporting it I feel great about it, but just just by connecting the people on an individual basis that kind of started with me back from Hard Knocks last training camp and people would reach out and relate to my story relate to things that I was going through and kind of let me know what's going on in their life. And so that was the start out where the seed were really planted. And so now it's, you know, putting programs together, you know online communities in front of people and talking and sharing my story share some awful things that I feel like would be helpful to them and really, you know, getting up-close-and-personal with them and let them know that they're not alone in that we're here to help has there been any particular person that you've been able to get up-close-and-personal with a story that you might share with us. If somebody that you've personally helped Most most cases are there's a lot of fans I'll connect with on the internet but I have I have close friends of my like my best friend is in recovery. He got clean like a year after I did and we were kind of going through some of the similar things and I felt he kind of Drew inspiration for me in the way that I was enjoying life clicking and just goes like they were times where we both didn't think was possible. So I feel like for him to look at me and draw inspiration for that and for him to now be leading the life that he's leading off. Um, I feel like that's the most personal example that hits home to me because we can both lean on each other and count on each other and Inspire each other now so that when my best friend being clean means the most to me How so far has your football career kind of helped you to be able to do all of the things that you want to do not just like on your own personal level but to be able to build this kind of foundation as well like to put your name out there and 1/2 this platform. Yeah, I'm having this platform is definitely a blessing, you know, being able to have the full list financially to be able to fund these sort of things being able to you know have access to certain people to put on the executive board for people to help run this Foundation awful lot of things that this platform allows me to access and I'm blessed to be able to have all the people all the resources that do have right now and you know, just trying to try to make the most of it while I have it off make sure that I'm not just using it for my gain and you know my attention to notoriety, but for a real issues and real causes that are really hurt people out there and just trying to help them, you know, Rise Above It Off. Well your football career as well as probably helped you on a personal level to be able to set goals. And also how if you could just explain like maybe the goals that you set for yourself and them how your football career has somewhat helped you get past everything that you were going through. Yeah, I feel like with me getting it cleaned and then getting back into the game of football. I was able to tap into the joy. I had in the past and I have for it when I was really young and just a desire to be grown. No desire to not settle for being average or mediocrity and things like that really pushing myself and putting stresses on The Daily habits and my work ethic and the enthusiasm that I bring to the game and those things that football really challenged me to do on a day-to-day basis. It helps it carry over to other areas of my life and making sure that I'm diligent and disciplined as far as my Approach anything that I want to get involved in. So I really think football and the game has taught me if a lot there are times where I didn't necessarily enjoy the game, but that was my mental approach and me not being open-minded to what football can do for me and for other people. So now I just appreciate still being able to have the opportunity to play and to you know have this opportunity. And your music as well. How much is that serve as an outlet for you to be able to be creative to be able to have another Outlet to express yourself in and to kind of I guess Retreat to when you need something else. Yeah, I feel like there's so necessary to have a like a creative Outlet a creative passion something that's just you and you know, it just makes you feel good. It makes you want to jump around and just I don't know it just makes you feel like you know, you're really creating something that's authentically you in music just it's in my bloodline. And so I just feel like it's something that should be doing and off it should provides a great balance because you know the game of football it does provide a lot but also takes a lot mentally emotionally physically so doing the music kind of helps me pour back into myself and I you know, get some things on my chest. I may be on my model my heart and just you know, enjoy the art of it. About this Gala be on the wall. What can you tell me about the actual event itself? It says there's going to be celebrities. It's going to be kind of interactive as well for people who can't be there in person. What can you tell me about your event wage? Yeah, it's going to be a dragon rich country club next Monday 6:30 to 9:30. There's going to be food. There's going to be awesome items getting auctioned off going to be some some of my teammates. They're we're still working on, you know, who all is going to be there officially, but you got my executive orders going to be there some great people that really serve a live in this community. But yeah, it's going to be awesome. It's going to be awesome event really getting the energy going as far as letting people know what the pin is what programs are going to be really putting forth for the Youth and not just try get the ball rolling and let people know that we mean business as well. You also mean business on the field. You got the Patriots coming up. So how do you expect to follow up on the performance that you had on Monday night football against the Patriots? You you can't let this win hang around too much. It was great when it can be enjoyed, but now it's time to prepare for the next one because it's a good football name both in all three phases of the game, especially on defense great man coverage great blessing I mean Belichick, it's speaks for itself. So we took a great Challenge, and we know we just had to go in there and keep executing keep building and we can't rely on yesterday. We gotta keep doing it day in and day out and, you know to go one and all this week. Thank you so much for the time during I really appreciate and again that gala happening Monday, September 28th and starting at 6:30 p.m. Dragonridge Country Club and called be on the wall put on by the Darren foundation and find all the information at Darren Waller. Org. Thank you Deron again very much. I appreciate it. All right. Thank you. I appreciate it. All right, everybody. That was Darren Waller. So I'd like to thank both of my guests for coming on the show today ESPN's NFL features reporter Michelle beisner-buck as well as Darren Waller. We appreciate both of you spending the time with us today. 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#33 - Andrew Acevedo

The Cool Kids Table Podcast

1:38:46 hr | 9 months ago

#33 - Andrew Acevedo

"Welcome to another installment of the cool kids table. Find all episodes kids. Podcasts DOT COM facebook instagram. You to the cool kids table podcast twitter. The Cocoa pod goes like it Sherry. Whatever works for your support helps it adds a solid. We appreciate it guys My guest today is one of my dear friends. Andrew ESA video. He is one of the coolest people I know. Man Disguised as genuine. He's loved by everybody. I have no one person that has any can save buses guide particularly you know that he would say about other people anyways. That's Point Andrews like fucking cool man like he's a good as dude he's had it for everybody whenever Anybody needs Just what you want as a man and I'm lucky to have here. He is so it's just getting going. Can you hear me watching beautiful all right Andrew? Thank you for joining me again. For those of you listening Andrew was I think the first person on during the zooms in podcast and I will have two laptops. The one has higher capacity. Hired like Ram. Or whatever. The Fuck anti-wealth Allen thinking okay. I don't know how much memory is. Mark Shit Dude. We did like three hours timothy hours two hours early. Your brother came in and and I come to the conclusion that for some reason on that laptop resume will not download like cloud or whatever it is onto their so is a great conversation. But you're a great deal like I mentioned right at the start of the show and the great thing was i. Don't worry brother that. Just get another one like fuck adven- like thank you. Thank you know behind you and you know what the bonuses. Oh yeah he's this time. You can have a beer. 'cause it's no longer dry. April you got the Talkin man got the regular size night. Riccarton like it buddy man. Well it's good to be back in. I'm sure this one will be recorded. There's are some issues with zoom. But they've kind of been resolved for the most part we try to do youtube live. And it's crazy because it's like there's so many components that now like the pocket. Do I have so much respect for them. Because there's so many things that could go wrong and they just see yourself. It's almost like live television. Know there's a ten second delay time something folks sub it's already too late like fuck On trying to like that by the time. I'm just glad to be doing episodes again. Thank you for joining me buddy. Of course of course Boiled Hecht on and off from you. You know what the whole twenty twenty vision in all of this goes. How's how's that going for you I want to hear some updates in kind of. What was the motivation behind? I know I'm not supposed to be interviewing you. But that's okay. Well actually. I'm glad you said it on this episode. Not that sold wear What you were on initially kind of near the beginning of a boss over April and it was also like the beginning ish of quarantine even though I thought it was like already like a longtime in a month and I'm still like in the same situation but I didn't episode after the win with you. That also didn't get record another issue. We ran into the whole forty minute thing that might arise in this one but up. Earning was kind of role semi and I'm great with being roasted right. If you could dish it out you gotta take off. You're doing all the challenges that you're not doing. You're not running. You're not Tam you don't like to hear from him. You know because I mean he was talking shit but he wasn't being disrespectful Dude come on when I was trying to keep you honest. Yeah alright earnings Hong. That's true that's true. So Suzanne I loved the forties fifties still behind. But I've been doing three five miles so I'm catching up water. Drink over one hundred ounces of day Damn I meditate at least ten minutes a day. I did not for the year no soda. So far in hasn't even been harder. Nothing like that question not to cut you off but what he used to meditate howdy meditate. It really hard at the beginning. Because I didn't know how I'd written on how to do it through fucking like forums and like you know how to meditate putting background music. Whatever in the beginning it was just kind of like almost like ten minutes without doing nothing if that makes sense because I would just sit there in silence and it'd be like okay. Don't think of nothing doping of napping think of focus on your breathing. Yes in the mall right next to you know. It's like ten minutes on those challenged meditation. I don't really know meet. The challenge wasn't decade fucking fine. Sandy nosers camelback That'll pass and there were certain time. I'm not lying. Were like thirty. Forty minutes as Like five minutes where I'd be like in Jail K. Yes it was true like in Sundays right like today. Have House myself right now. It was beautiful around five edges fucking shield out by myself and just kind of escape reality for like twenty twenty five minutes. It's an IT's comforting. Because even though I don't like absolutes people listening that meditate real out the fuck. Let let it go. That don't have any odds. Just focus on your breathing just kinda relaxing to control. You can is the main thing right now other so many things out of our control so many things out of my control trying to be like what can I focus on and I just like let things go like okay? That's not an issue and it's weird because you try not to think about you WanNa let it go but you're still thinking about like okay. Why am I not sleeping in the back behind by the back of my mind though? I'm trying to do this the right way. So yeah and the reason I ask this because like I something. I've been wanting to get into Mike. I did head space for awhile. It's an APP. It's called head space so it's like a free version and then there's a subscription version but when this was months ago maybe a year ago like Dr Living in San Jose as coming up to San Francisco for work so drive and then when gets parking lot in the morning out there on the head space. Happening there's different sessions like three minutes. Five minutes ten minutes. And it's you know mindful meditation. You sit there with your eyes kind of like not focusing on anything focusing on your breathing. Kinda what what. Your body is touching and just kind of being in that moment As feel myself. Kinda just relaxed then. Low more like calm at ease but I got away from it and something I wanNA. I WanNa make sense for his daily routine so outside just started you like how you you do. Mix It in. I mean I try to. It's not like having a stress whereas in I kinda know like like this right. I was like okay. We're going to eight o'clock so I should at seven get every you kinda get everything ready leading up to it. Sorry go into like a piece of mind like okay. This is my is like a cold beer. After Day of work. This is my relaxing on. Enjoy like make sure you come out of this. I read this actually very early on in the year. Don't it's like your when you go to the gym and you you work out you trying to see results. You're trying to see your arms book of your stomach landed. Don't want that for any league. That immediate satisfaction will look for anything. Just go into it. Like he's the meditation itself is the reward. Yeah and I read something last week stimulus. Kinda like you'll you'll realize that like it's not about the meditation. It's about the content of the mutation map so previously. Yeah so I was just kind of like. I don't get that like I wish. I was woke in the world to advance from economic. I wish I could say hey. I understand that and I get that but I don't like maybe that comes with time. Yeah go ahead. A people have just told me that like too early onto candidacy. Any change takes years or months only one day. I didn't do it. That was in March and I feel like knowledge. It's burden like I. Don't you have ten minutes right so it just kind of like hell but is shaking one at a time? Yeah it's a part of making it you know it's not just for twenty twenty five for this year and that's that's what. I've kind of clicked for me a little bit you know. It's the things my goals or my dreams. It's IT'S GONNA. It's a lifetime to work on it whether that's feeding right with exercise. Mars anything. It's like you know I can. I can go a good for a while and do my thing and then hey may fall off and then you know like Ernie called called you out. Hey you gotta be better gotTA keep on it. You know. It's just the the important part is going back to it. You know and like if you if you trail off just getting back to whatever would is working for you in this understanding to your point. It's not about seeing immediate results. It's it's GonNa come over your lifetime. You're not you're all of those changes that you will see. Will it will happen. Mitch. Kelly but One thing that I had read or heard while back was that I really liked. It was treated day as a meditation. So like for me. I was working out working before I got furloughed. I was working and I was stressing about like what time I had to get to the office. How will I look if I get there like at nine but everybody else has been there for like thirty minutes already so then Mike I felt my mornings just being making me in making me like I I got I gotta wake up by this time? I gotta get ready. I got the door. Boom boom boom. Get to worth eight thirty that but I wasn't I wasn't happy wasn't starting my day off in in a way that I felt comfortable so what ended up doing was just I wake up. I wake up a little bit earlier. So like on six thirty or seven and go for a run or walk in. Mike. That's how I started my day because I felt like any time. Did that out by the time. I gots work. My brain was already a little more active a little more ready. That I can just hop into my email but steph out But it was more so like all right my running my run in the morning. Maybe do a little a writing iron. My clothes have breakfast coffee and like it was more of a morning like to myself. You know it wasn't like I woke up and work already consuming my day it was. I wake up. And this is how I'm GonNa get myself going and enjoy and then I'll get to work and then became more productive and it was easier to get through that day Also mixed in blocked out time on my calendar for my work email. Hey middle dates while one. I'm taking an hour to myself to walk outside now. Go like a forty five minute. Walk around the city come back to the office. Quick fifteen minutes from a lunch and then bust out the rest of the day. So it's like you know. I took more enjoyment out of my days when I was treating as what I wanted to rather than like work was controlling if that makes sense to add to that like in in my experience. Small changes equal big result over time. You know I had a similar experience. I was not late. Ever could be like a grace period and I'll just kind of called out on one meeting. Like hey you know like this is a great spirit but these are the people that are showing up like say. The Punch was nine nine. Am like you mentioned that. We had like from eight fifty five to nine zero five. It doesn't matter it's nine o'clock for you and mom's like ninety four nine three any reason why you're always I chill my car like thirty minutes. It's like listening to music for work so I start my routine okay. Let's eight nine or let me go get ready so I time I mentioned it's nine. Oh three nine four dollars dude. I if that's all it takes to show a difference. I started even before I would. I would Get there at eight fifty five nineish and then you know do the whole punching time. Linley thirty minutes earlier so I don't need to be Speed for working like medical spend more on the ticket then I will make an assay songs. I'm not going to speed but I don't WanNa be I wanNA feel Russia this traffic Change my mindset. A little bit just said you know GonNa be there thirty minutes of starbucks. Grab Nice Copying Sunday let it. I could just twenty minutes. Yeah and so that pay dividends and then when they called me like Amen. Next year people in charge you. GotTa show initial. Everybody knows that I come in at clock in. It's like gold notes on a look around or anything. It's old time but okay I can. I've always been the type to you. By example you know what I'm showing up punching eight fifty five always. Just get to those pretty much even five minutes weather related while showed that leadership call whatever Immediately immediately in a month all you really turn it on on on doing the exact same thing. I was always doing but does earlier. Nine minutes change it. Everybody's perception as like okay. I he is a leader. Okay Okay. He does deserve to be charged like when he was the same. Exact attitude accelerates it just the perception of being late or being early everyday now. I would commend. Anybody wanted starbucks this. I'm GONNA check the box Madonna. The mcmuffin whatever you know it was just coming even those exact same thing. Deb Some food eating my car and then go start my routine at nine and so just seeing that and I was like in the last. Let's say eighteen months ago a year and a half ago So that kind of parlayed into a lot of things in my life as far as you know being early being committed that kind of and so I had a great topic a pastor which you know a friend of mine. Connect me his because he like actually get him on religion whenever he was down which respect site. I am not going to argue with somebody who doesn't believe I'M GONNA try to argue desire conversation The way they explained to him was kind of more like become -tations. Kinda like I'm GonNa Change as mine are on Lizard. Did they believe they don't? It's not on me everybody. Has You just want the conversation? And I didn't ask him if somebody bad social reached out in trying to set it up I appreciate their effort but point being me and this guy had off the record conversation like a day. So why are we WANNA push you believe it will do to trying to at all? Maybe you got the wrong message from his at soured. I do. I just try to have conversations with different people. I think this person try to set this up in order to have a little debates thing. But that's not what I do and then tell me more about which dukes explained the show. He explained his use of L. K. I respect I used to. He was a Christian Catholic so we just had a great conversation about believes yes. No nothing concrete. Just my thought process hit stop process but nothing like a debate. He left something that fucking to this day I think about everyone is when we were leaving man. That was a pleasure to talk to. You never change your mind. We could do exact. Same thing but microphones people here. You're not treating my mind changing yours trying to change their mind. I'm not trying to disarm conversation like we just now. So he said we're saying goodbye. What shake his hand on my. This was before yes as I shake his hand. Have a great rest of your day. No this is going to change a lot of in my head. I'm still at Pizza. Guide on my little religious quotes to try like this whole time. We were not doing in the entire. You'RE GONNA say goodbye to him and he does make yourself a great day. Let's those words will change your life sincerely at when I'm having Today's operate they like the rest of the day is not lost college. Make yourself great day and sincerely has nothing to do with religion. Nothing to do his but the way he just like after all. That was really powerful to me. I've woken up days. I'm driving to work and I got a flat fucking like waterways day and before in my life I use a compound into a bad day like now you know you get to work. That's called on. Yeah I call it work like all the you know. You're the one opening you can go in and everybody's upset because they're fucking getting killed or whatever and then you gotta come in and trying to make It's not your fault you know it just compounds and then everything just kind of like fucking a boulder. It just keeps on bigger bigger so that other what I gotTa flat let me fix it. With our life then I get to work. How would happen Flatiron? Men have observed? Okay cool and just kind of boom what I know by saga to the tablets before it used to be terrible because it just people they started here we go again under the nope not today that by cool not today saying no no this is this is not going to be the beginning of any stocking the streets a flat tire change it. I'm going on the freeway on wall of my life like I'm a leave. This year is energy or whatever. It is exactly China's. Nfl thing. It's like you know you know what's to you in a certain moment. Only you have your perspective and you know like if something happens at work and she was wrong if you can honestly say like Hey. I did everything in my power to like. Make this right or not let this happen. But you know should happens then. That's when you know. It's it's easy to let perceptions fledged Other people's perceptions affect you in their thoughts in their views. Or what you think they'll think like I've frigging battle that my whole life. I've always worried about what somebody thinks of me. Or what people but you know I. I've gotten better now like if I get in at nine. Am stay like five thirty Say Like I had a good day's work I was productive. Knock this stuff on my to do list like I'm happy with my day. Yeah my court like my coworkers may be saying another thirty minutes another hour. But if I don't need to I'm going to sit here because it looks good to them. It's about taking pride in your work in using time efficient Ryan and get honestly saying that. What you're doing is is topnotch bagels long way especially when the results match up you know because I've always been prideful my work at every time. You're the hardest working person I know and I mean I take that as a compliment. That's not good. That's what's expected you know. That's like I learned that from my parents Internet's Just SATYAM as we know two weeks. A great mentors or the expectation is so high. That's what's expected that's not above and beyond just what you're supposed to do and when I don't do it for the prayed I don't do it for any of that but just when you know like like you said they could come in early stay late but I'm getting my work done in less time. That's good on me. Not Bad on them. But just good on me like you should be entitled like certain things different careers in different parts were career. I've done the same thing. There's no point in me being ten now if I need to hear out albeit newell but it's like I could knock this out in six or seven thousand six or seven people would take our to our lunches Downtown four are rather be at home. I would come in our to lunch or our to. Our lunch was when the heavy traffic. If I was like saying a nine seven I knew from seven at home by nine. You know what I'll take from one to three from three to nine by often so it was always calculated and so it was never about like. Let me see what you can do. I can do just like what can I do to make things run smoother for myself and then I always end up being like a supervisor. Andrew should have granted. My jobs aren't like fucking glamorous but it shows that you have that ability to like manage yourself manage other people and kind of take it for granted times. I feel like it's not like a crazy drew. It's just like a basic. Hey they've been here longer. They should go lynch. I know there's always your commonsense we're as an any place you go. It's just already established. Like okay you come in at nine. You Take Your your break at eleven. Take your lunch at one and whereas some of these places have been like okay in nine guy came at seven. But I'm hungry. Someone on Lynch now right now so that guy's been here for fucking hours and he's still in the wait till you know just of look. This is going to do things because this is gonNa work out better for. Everybody might not work out for you today but in the long run when you're that prison coming in at seven you're going to be happy that set up this way over time At the most basic Monday shape is where you see like. I'm not a leader but you see that some people like leadership roles or skills are just like common sense to I guess not so common but at somebody could like this is how things should be run and other people like supervisor before yes and no but I mean it just how things are getting done and always puts me in a advantageous position. Because I'm not afraid to speak my mind I see something. I don't care what you saw people. I know this is GonNa work. We gotta do things different and they always always do it. And I'm a big hater of that. Like oh always always done that. Not We'll you've been doing your on isn't it'd be more efficient. We're going to time insane fucking Labor about your bust my ass and I'm GONNA get paid sane regardless so let's make it easier on ourselves and you kind of your mind. Yes and I mean. I'm not trying to step on told US coming coming from a good by sentence someone with good intentions. So it's been it's been a weird but also rewarding You get fucking crazy like like what the fuck what I'm doing. I always whenever they give me a. What is it called appraisal like you? Killing coup let that reflect paycheck. That's where it really for me. That's really count because you could be. Oh man here thousand as a great show me that you feel that way that if I'm that fucking important to you that that reflects I feel appreciated and most of the time it's worked out because at the time I learned this Like do you gotta fight for every dollar. 'cause they could pay you less they would. That's minimum wages of fuck in law for that. They can't pay less. I've always fought for luckily not for the most part I've worked with. Well thought out people that are like okay. You know. You are a big commodity. So I'd rather loose you. Have you look somewhere else? I'd rather you this little excellent appreciate it but at Saint Time you always gotta be looking because you gotta go with aggressive greener exactly. Yeah I I envy our abilities. Speak your mind. I mean thinking back to myself like Shit. I've always been artists earlier. Might my years. I was very much an introvert. Now it is going to be quiet and be the person just hanging out in the back in like on there but Really talk much But like since Grad school and through Undergrad. In all my jobs like I'm still learning how to relieve. Have my voice be heard like I'm gaining confidence with each experience and finally the slash by most recent job. I finally had that feeling of like all right. My ideas are being heard and they're also being like implemented in blind but accepted. So that's where I'm saying like you you having that not not needing that appraisal as I guess. That's something I've always battled with. When I first started this most recent job you know I would be working had limited supervision. They trusted me know I was working autonomously but I also like needed to know that what I'm doing is helping the team. 'cause like I was just getting each day to what I thought was was good and telling my standards but I always WanNa know that. It's you know up to up to par with what I should be doing. So I've always had more that issue of like just needed to hear not none sale. You're doing the job like hey what you're doing. It's like all right. We're we're we're we're moving on track. So that's something I battle with but again I feel like more recently. Finally had that confidence boost and feel better a quick antidote and and in a follow resin. It's creating because at my last job. Decoloni- good job because I was giving appraisal to everybody like what they did if they fucked up. It almost became ironic. Because I was given so much fucking everybody here. There's so much tension because there was a lot of money to be made but there was a lot of like everybody was fighting to be the top dog and may not wanting it became the top dog. Now they do want let them free. It's cool so then it became kind of like A. What is he trying to prove? Is he trying to shows up now? Man Getting a great job locate a Kentucky. And we're GONNA on aid each week. People hitting the is after killing it. They're doing great and minute sincerely right like Xuedong. We're thinking about getting. No no no no no. I'm just what I do is not happening unless it was with this team. My Hat will make sure that they get the kind of like deflected and Yeh Lay said on you. Place it on the team and to me was valuable. Fuck about employees. Does that means come with fifty dollars gift cards at my Daddy starbucks. Where can only go so much? You actions speak louder than words By not just for that reason but I would tell me like it was funny because a job at law and I'm ignoring me like you did a great job today. I'm really glad you're part of the. Tv turned us out and you just added to change slowly over time. It was like they started trying to job like like all you guys made twenty million on the really working hard each other and it's all it takes. We're not here to compete with each other like I clock Going on during my daughter fucking enjoy the drive home like I'm on cool but the question I wanna make you as how is that transition would be. You've always been very open. You've had a great friendship. Long Friendship Means to hiking. Remember back in the day upset. Anita always had a very we talk about everything any so I know. Many introverts most of my family is so. I'm power. Great candidate okay. People open up no matter who they are. It just takes time. But how did that go about for you? Had seen a dude and it's beautiful. I mean not. Everybody has to go from introvert. Extrovert some people will say George their whole life. But I've seen you from afar. I guess I haven't really been around. You know you you haven't been around. I haven't been around to be able to be like okay. Well this happened in just kind of hearing you say your success is Kinda opened the doors. How do they go about for you? Yeah I mean I still consider myself an introvert in some ways like still like having my own space in kind of having my quiet time at sometimes when I'm in a new crowd I still like kind of be quiet but it happened through Undergrad. I met one of my best friends. Michael and he was just the complete opposite of me like He. Would you got kicked out of San Jose state just partying all this and all that so by the time I came across Musoma Tom Down but he always had that entire on Like A me. I'm GONNA be me. I don't care what you think of me. Yeah and it's like Mike panties seems kind of like an asshole but I love it But he's like also like a genuine person because he cares his friends his family this episode. So that sort of started inside Grad School. When I started Grad school it was all about the youth to make connections in order to really get anywhere. It's all about who you know type of thing. So you have to put yourself out there like they. They are first class forces. You what they all information interviews in its reach out to people at companies in positions that you are interested in what like to be in. And it's like hey can. I get ten fifteen minutes of your time. I just WanNa ask you some questions. What do you do on the daily So that forced me to kind of be a little more proactive. Little put myself up. There are more and I just. I realized. Over time that you know some some introverts. I mean there's definitely a diverse succeed but like for me being an introvert wasn't allowing me to give out my ideas give like my personality and you know that I was holding myself back because I wasn't like confident in myself. I guess So as I started to really like as I moved up here to San Francisco started to meet people like just try. Things do things and you know even now lake. I'm writing more in. It's just my thoughts and you know it's for me and I'm China like learn who. I am be comfortable in level I am. I guess An it's also you know one thing things I started doing is just really reflecting 'cause I've always been to just kind of be in the moment or look ahead or and that kind of caused me to be like in I wanna be there. Why am I not there? I'm your I wanna be like wrestling but you know I look back like Shit. I did UNDERGRAD. I did a master's degree. I moved away from the bay. I've worked for Fox sports in the giants and none of this bag. It's like for me it's like Damn I'm I'm just a kid from Amman. Like my parents only did high school. All my brothers loved them. The ovid college so we all succeeded in that traditional sense but for me like home was was very much a safety net. And that's what I always called it. 'cause even Undergrad are out of high school. I followed Alex my brother everywhere he did Patching Alec Pasadena's he transferred to cal state. Northridge I had two options is actually North Cal State Monterey. I did terrible Kuni Dodge. I had like a two five GPA. I just didn't want to be the option through going to Monterey Bay where he was going to be beyond my own. No my brother's at northridge. Thanks Emily An hour from home. It's going to be safe. The SAFE decision It worked out at met a lot of my friends and met a lot of mentors and kind of got to the bathroom. Now because of that decision but when it came to like moving to San Francisco like shit like it's moving away from moving away from everything I know when one person in the bay and again they're just putting myself out there in forcing myself to grow that way which is paid off. I've met a lot of people I've had some some cool jobs in those doors have opened me and now I now. I'm trying to make their doors open on my own rather than Mike. Just have a habit. Beautiful Man I it really has tremendous Issey out a senior grow up low key. You think you were a freshman my senior year yet. We always kind of click even men in as we got older you know. We became closer in the whole time. We drink go hiking It's been it's been great having a friend but a lot of insurance Nothing wrong with that. No not at all but the thing about you is. I've always kind of seen that in you. You know. I've always kind of like you've been that guy 'cause everybody loves it and you are. One of those people were were drinking handed. A time in like you wouldn't realize if somebody walked into. They never been years. Where realized your initial because you were so out they know you put yourself out until I seen in circumstances where people still to this day since people are like wait really used to be. My girlfriend doesn't really be But yeah it's just. I is comes with confidence I guess in accepting or Lebanon Yar can still. We're GONNA it's it's? It's a daily struggle. Do we all have You know within ourselves coming those who those last week. I was feeling kind of like I even think about now. I shouldn't under the episode of Joe Chows down on my luck. Dhamma added to nothing. I haven't heard I don't listen to this. I'll just kind of I hope it didn't come out kind of like Pity Party folks what I wanted to be that I found going into it. So maybe that came out episode but it was just nodded the next up. We know what? Don't forget what you are who you are. Don't forget what got you here. Like keep doing what you're doing you're on the right. Track is just a hiccup and in this week on just kind of like okay like it's no time you know we. We had planned for six weeks this week. Seven it's time to turn ended. Diagnose something has happened this week and I'm going to start doing so I don't have time to feel sorry for myself and to through pity party. Little One depending on his is not part of the plant. That's a great thing about planning my journal. Jilin just you would. Just you see where you're going on now. You make a new prime now you. What work before with didn't throw new ideas on like like this is? I don't know I enjoy it because this is part of the beautiful struggle man and one of my mentor disagree like DUKE OF BIOGRAPHY. Sa Every says everytime up the fucking parking of and here comes a fucking cone and you fucking find a way to get through it. I'm like it's not. It's not like yourself by just in the general sense like these are finally clicking. Here comes Roy occur all the time playing soccer nuclear. You're not even the same field. I'm just kind of like I'm grateful because I know that every situation I've been everything. Come Cross up into retirement for this Mrs just another Hick. Are we cool? I know too much candidates stressed for a few weeks over this no longer and I can. I can tell that. Obviously you've done a lot of shit since like high school whites. I've seen you watching. I got why she with the different businesses or different ideas. That you've started kind of made a reality. It's like everything you've done has come with obstacles or setbacks or whatever abbey but fight to constantly continue to adapt and move forward like. That's the quality that trait that like is paying off and will continue to pay off 'cause easy just like phone at invalid. Tough luck. Guess is not gonNA work out. I'm just GONNA like not try but you know what I do for work. It's all about like you can plan plan plan plan the day. The event comes up. Shit's going to go wrong on. Mike no doubt about it how you can. How are you GonNa just? How are you GONNA pit it? 'cause there's no time to panic you gotta like take a step back analyze everything and then make a calculated decision. So it's you know with with what the Rona and your podcast is like you still climbing the charts right now. Pacman grateful by a little surreal. I do get mentioned it. A few tents like do shit motives this show. Why are you commenting? Why why are you giving me this I could? There's Kinda put him on the cover. Their name and picture stopped being. Let's do it for right like they see me do that. So they're hoping that the one that they said they send it brings you down. Yeah so you know what I'm reading. Just so they get that out to see that I seen it and a bad bad and crazy thing is for everyone of those messages are there's ten. Twenty positive manages a man love the show founded. Yada yet and thank you for listening fucking Tele France. That's the best route which again like that much tougher and I. I'm not I'm not smart but I'm not dumb. People are bored at home. People are tired of whatever they need escape new escape trying different shape to allow these people to talk to this news of cool. I do have three hours doing nothing. Where collision to fucking show. So I feel like if I'm last rabbit. Maybe in the future a year from now continues to grow by. This was the perfect storm at the right time. I started dropping continent as people seem to enjoy all these guys that gets a great variety notes now political pocket. Allah is just a little bit of everything and so I'm just Kinda like grateful but also not oblivious to like a man in a month when this is all over or two months they just might Back to our team so I'm just Kinda like enjoy it you know I could be like. Oh no we're trying to do is in the week they might Vatan. They found a new podcast anew. Tiger king comes out and wave and somebody's GonNa Wind US enjoy it. I don't WanNa be do she and my post. I do look at these like eight weeks sued in this. Was SOMEBODY ELSE. Highly soulful can happy for them. So why can I be happy for myself? I is Emmy because I'm enjoying it like I'm Kinda like this. I've retired for this. Yeah and it's where I wanted to give me but so many hours at behind the scene that Cuban our show. It's a six hour show for me going along with everything else in my stomach. No what am I gonNA. In three months I remember when it was kind of going now. What I don't really remember MC Noam Documenting Shit. I'm screen shining. I'm Sherry on people like a look. This thing is getting popular is not GonNa be so people like yourself that come on shared stories. So I'm just grateful to part of we know even though it's on my artists Has Nothing to do with we almost revolving door just kind of now. What I'm enjoying. It looks do sheet so be it. You know that's not my intentions but people want to take the wrong way just and happy that people are taking the time to fucking listen. I'm actually joy it three things that I is as you said earlier. Screw other people's perceptions. We're happy with what you're doing if you're proud of it cleared out. There doesn't matter to about the haters. There's always going to be haters. His people there's people that just sit on the ads underneath anything but like sport through like that's not good. What are you doing this and that you know then somebody say like if the more successful you are the more. Haizhu you'll have so keep accumulating those haters third. It's that vision. You you had that vision to you understand the circumstances you understand that you're sitting at home right. Now's the time to put out content or now's the time to do this and you're even looking ahead to win things return to back to quote unquote normal like you know you're GonNa have to pivot or do something I can tell you're thinking about it so like to be ahead of the game that's going to help you with this. Podcast continue to grow. And then that's when the live shows come in front of audiences and not be like member when I was on your show when it didn't record figuring to throughout so sorry. This cartoon was amazing. The content was a meeting. I like forget what talked about but Not Dude it's. I think what you're doing is fucking awesome. Like you started this on your own but you are taking advantage of the right word. You're leveraging the people you know in the the stories they have and what I love about. You is like you know how to carry the conversation. You know how to keep asking questions on the right questions in. It makes the podcast better so even though you say it's not on you it's the guest like you play a role in how the guests come across. And how the flow of the conversation goes which I mean to me. Podcast is about the flow right like you want to just kind of get lost in the conversation in an enjoy and free time so boxy. It's crazy because a few people reach out to like to start on podcast men that got not name anyway to help. I know how hard it is starting as much information after the Wyoming and today a friend of mine his message so who is so and so's whatever is in started park that he can help him out. I'm like yeah. Cool your number on my no shoot on my instagram. My personally because that's where I get most of my messages so it's kind of log. They won't be able to get a text message loud town look at it l. Reply later like it's almost my are more important than my because that's where everything happened to naturally like discussing ideas without getting people on luck in the Lyon last week couple wants to reach out and not the right fit for the show. I don't WanNa just from any sacred doesn't even that big. I'm going to start the show just for the sake of making a few dollars that no that I wanna do things right. I'm in a desperate position on domain. Moves Don Yeah be authentic to yourself. It's GONNA play payoff in borrowing even throw it out there working on my ass. I hate when people become jokey and I'm like dude. I nothing to gain by fucking. I don't even know how to Photoshop. I'm my own fucking messages. Do this is our any people are sending their shit and people are like. I don't really get how people would listen to cash lewd. I listened to six our podcast. It's you like it. You like it if you don't that's fine but doesn't mean you have to be like what say some of these messages are more like intrigued. Like this why I don't know I don't know I. I listen to Joe Rogan podcast. I listen to K- saw I listen to truecar. Listen to you know like these are the things I like interests. Yeah there's some of these people are Weird to me to do. It's at night. I don't know I'm just. I'm just happy to be here. I don't take it for granted deal. I remember at the beginning when it was the homeless listening. You know and I could tell because checklist ads. You like X. amount of Probably my friends and it just climbed and climate like people. I don't know reach out to show not just keep doing it. And it's Kinda weird like I'm like Yo Broda yet away yet. Different states fucking. Brazil connects ICAL Europe What is it England Ireland reach island. I'm just like this is crazy. How did you find it like somebody tagged whatever whatever I was on my explore? Page and cool cool man. Glad you like it and fat until he that's how you can tell your content transcends frigging your circle of people obviously to different states different countries in like the Internet is had such a wide reach that nowadays. You have good content. People are gonNA listen. People are GonNa Watch GonNa buy your Shit like like Alex like my brother and uplift like he's done this for ten years or whatever it's been you know he's he's gone through his ups and downs but he stayed true. Do it in peak. I remember like the First Time. He shipped internationals surreal. It are sending a package to London or Australia. Or whatever it is. It's like again. You have good content and you put it out there. People will listen. So go ahead with screw. The haters screw haters. What? What are we? I don't think about but when I find a good podcast right tapes. Clean Eighteen or twenty eight hundred. Finally I look at the Cadillac and Twenty twelve and I go back and listen to the ones that you know that sound intriguing or whatever like okay. Maybe not this maybe episode. Like there's many people listening by a kind of like doing this. I'm keep doing it and I feel like who knows maybe in five years. Fucking twenty twenty five dollars on episode one fifty and people like him so they go back and check these. I fucking forty the first forty episodes and ended like you could hear me doubting myself at times that I've said it before going to work out but I'm GonNa keep doing a Guy Joy. I don't know if that many people will listen and now looking back on people listen to. I can't remember the exact episode people into episode number Yadda Yadda they'll hear me. Kind of have dow yet six months later on auto things are going so great job. Because you don't I can't look to the future and say hey look this year. This is what we're GONNA make it or this kind of to me. At least I could do with other podcasts. Like hey man I heard you on episode thirty et crazy. But I'm glad you stuck with. I really enjoy your show so I'm kind of like maybe in five years starting measured okay. I listened to that episode with Andrew and years. We're talking about like how small it was. How you were just enjoying being on the charts for two weeks through this week. You know and it's like my home message me a do no matter where he goes. You'll never George said he was no matter what happens. You can always say hi Charlie for a few weeks. How many fucking pockets are out there in? All of them will not the people of the right but the people behind. I'd love to be in that spot. Some kind of cherry ship but I want to be Douche because my sound arrogant you know. I'm just kind of like. Do the really really humbling but really surreal. I got an email announced it. I checked it now. Like ask me and it clicked takes link to my website on again. That's me as kind of like. How do you put that feeling into words? You know what one day and all I don't know maybe it's a TV show. There's over nine hundred thousand pockets in five years. It might be more than might be less by this point. Mine was in the top forty two under like I can really really be happy knowing that that happened. Even if it was for two or three weeks you know and the cool part is like you. Shouldn't you should rally enjoy it? But I feel like I've been day. You're just doing it because you enjoy this like you enjoy talking to people you enjoy just having conversation. I think that JEN genuineness I Jonas have masters talk morning. But that amount that genuineness I'll just say that That's what I mean. That's what's GonNa keep you continue to do this and you know. Hey Hey if he'd do it is a couple down the road in your chart plug top ten. Whatever like you're just doing it because enjoy and that's why you should continue to do it. It's not further charts not for the sponsors Anything it's like. People people love buying into brands. 'cause they're authentic right? That's what I tell my brother all the time like we can be you like post videos of you at work like your thoughts. Your Act like people love the design. They look the brand. But it's like people buy into the brand because of like who builds it in my opinion. That's what I hear. How am I posted? A shirtless pick with denim shorts. You're your fucking crazy that she I'm glad it wasn't on the brand page. See it's awesome to see that you just get a kick out of talking to people just for conversation sake. So now. What has echoed your sentiment like no matter where this goes like relishes First and foremost what I enjoy the most. Is that people like you. Don't get me wrong. It's been great to meet all these people. If I mean just to put a little backstory we were looking forward to seeing each other having a beer together as wedding and came through messages. Under like as you're going to be now like Alex excited for that. That's the type of friendship we had and also the type of friendship that you are using to come down earlier for but point being pandemic. It's no wedding. That can be rescheduled. Whatever but if we have I don't have this yet. I give you a call. Eight rowdy ban five ten minutes until you got your thing going on either but quote unquote because of the show. I could be like as you give me your time blooding. Let's catch up at done that with a lot of friends you know and something that will always at least. I wouldn't. I'm sure you will too. But that we could look back on ten years to even though whatever whatever now he's not getting the podcast more. I'm we but he's doing this now. When you know you're on going on she's great career. We still have those conversations. 'cause you know over time you know it's not that we want to. It's just everybody goes out everybody. My daughter's get older. I love you plan for kids not marriage but we all grow up and go back and say look. This is at least for me are my what do you like about them. Either I get to kick your mahomes our beer. It's what else can you ask for a it was a? We did too often youngster. Nearly twenty that felt like I took it for granted because it was always there and now that it's not on my never end. Yeah Yeah Yeah like about fucking and equal gets me every time. I wish you knew what you were in the good old days when you're not good food like I'm like dude. I don't like reminiscing. Oh my God blesses. Those are some great years. Great Times DRUNKEN BLURB THE MEMORIES. Lino last lifetime but it just kind of abruptly ends and that's what this I get to a man I told you your a great friend always have been I. Connect ranking bit better. You don't so it's kind of like puts it in a like in a category more like okay. Yeah there's GonNa be other guests on Riley not famous people per se but like people that the the gentlemen from from Fox letter. He's doing his team with a cool. I've intriguing this grammar ice on my blog us to Tom Pretty good. I had one of those. I wanted to do this in the past. So that's my interest. That's why we doesn't mean I'm not just trying to get whoever's on TV tomorrow. This is something that I would have loved doing. Tell me more about it so yeah. Those stories are amazing. No that but this is what's amazing to me. This is not the gold are a here. You know fucking Izzy love. We used to live next door for almost thirty years. And how the only time we rarely not only cuts but mostly we talk is on the podcast. That's like time to come back on. I just WANNA catch up with my Doing over it's kind of like. Hey I know you're busy. Book Gimme an hour for the show. And it's okay cool. Yeah yeah to me. It's Kinda like at tricking them. Just kind of at least I'll be able to get that time. Get less the thing man. It's like I've I've gone through so many stages of so many different groups of friends drama life. It's like you know and some that I oh I still consider friends but I just I don't talk to our haven't been around or it's like instead like life just happens like I have my my responsibilities now that kind of take my attention and in what I enjoy is like when I go back to. That group of friends like picks back up. And that's that's how I've always tried to be it's like I consider myself I'm not good at taxamnesty calling. It's like if I see you fucking blast like even if it's for night and you're like a new person but you're cool ram a great time. I. I probably won't see you again but I'm a enjoy this and you know it is what is so. That's how I kind of treated like whoever morand a treat that as just just I'm just in that and I just enjoy that time 'cause to knows if if or when I'm GonNa see you again again it's life whatever but I think I think that's that's key is enjoying not trying to be anybody or not just being yourself with your friends no matter how about a great thing. I mean. Turn from like yourselves. Ernie we'd always time like all. It's just kind of like bull. Let's go over here. It's Joey in which I treasure because sometimes with some friends it's kind of like it's a half a day really catching matt catching catching up the wrong word. Because you WANNA catch kind of like re restarting the friendship and the county like dude. You know me just. I haven't seen you types. Of course we're changing trying to progress. Be Batting all be healthier. Be More woke. Be More whatever but it's still meet. Who'd like you know like we don't need to like bs and say like Oh can I say not? Let's just go refresh. It's something I people like yourself that I can agents say I've seen it first hand like it's just coming you in fucking year best go. That's why is he needs to tell us. When that weddings being rescheduled for I could make plans to do down there whenever that happens for them is just. It's just weird weird weird times. Who knows who knows. I don't know if you want to get into the corona but everything going on but it's like we kind of avoided it. It's good for the listeners to you though it's it's I wanNA say shaken me up but it's like interrupted my life like I've been I've been furloughed a growing area so like I'm looking for jobs. I still supposedly apparently jobs back to whenever like things more but I'm looking for opportunities. I'm trying to you this time that I'm not working as or meantime again. Light picked up writing photography. Just stuff that I've always wanted to do but just never even never ever took the time to do or you know like I got a little beat machine. I don't know what the Hell I'm doing and I I just think back to thirteen year old. Who bought a Bass Guitar and my played it in two weeks later. I was like I'm not yet I give up so I I'm trying not to be that person like I think kind of going back to what we said earlier. It's like a life thing like I'm not picking up a camera because I want to. I want me satisfaction in the next week. The next month's like I just want to take photos. I want this to be a hobby that I continue to carry for US my life. Same with the beat machine. Same with writing so as weird as saying corona viruses a blessing. But that's that's that's not obvious it is rattled. A lot of people disturbed things like fortunately for me. I've stayed safe. I've stated doors followed all those orders but I'm like using this time wisely to just do shit that I enjoy kind of giving props journey that little kick-me adds A. He gave me to do better. You should do better started running. Started EVEN DINING. Just kinda eating better like okay. If I'm getting this smaller portion of it kind of Saudi reading started I was generally writing writing writing of it. I always wondered. Do I have what it takes to make a good option? I speak the language. Well I write it. Well let me just give it a shot and so I started stopped kind of intriguing. It's make reality. You can make anything. He wants trying to have some fun with the characters in some of the people listening basketball at the end of some of the listeners. Like we talked about this later. Those are the Indyk coming out replying. It's really as busy as you say on our love writing. I'm not really reading which I should be doing. The challenge riding and then it just kind of being creative in the sense of like thoughts in though sometimes I might some dumb. I'm like okay if I was in this situation. I don't like hypotheticals just kind of trying to make a story will forcing yourself yet and I mean it the same way. I interpreted totally forming financially. And every which way but I'm like this is really enjoyable last week. I believe it was Wednesday. I fucking read. A book started finish one on a four mile run and our podcast episode. One day This is life man. I shouldn't have to be working ten hours a day. Trying to make like okay. We'll fade into kind of woken up. This decision kind of tally that I used to have when I was seventeen. Eighteen have cared world when I was like twenty miles did money were three or four days of as I got older I started working more and more and more data where it's always worked. How do I do not want to work to survive? I want to work to just be able to pay my bills. I WANNA joy live and it. Kinda brought this new mentality whereas right now is because I had income for six weeks now. This week seven summit. Okay it's time to start figuring something now. This is the plan to come out in work three four days and have days to enjoy life. Now we're five six days and have that one day to recoup to able to go over. Okay so this is the kind of like a not in any shape any way shape or form has been good but in my personal experience like okay. This is kicking ass. I needed because I could have been doing the same thing. So I hit Forty Min- shit. I missed out on my thirties whereas right now thirty one I could say okay. You know what it might take a little hard work. Initially but changed the goalpost. You know this isn't the goal. I don't want to have fucking x and X and a new car AETNA. No one to not a frugal life but just the life where I can pay the bills. Have some savings have some spending money but be able to do the things that I enjoy doing? Being able to take a day off and just fucking read. Go running and then do a three hour. That's kind of what the new fiery kind of burning inside. I gotTA figure something out to accommodate these leads and these wants as opposed to before a if the norm that you yourself and I want this weird 'cause I've again going back to how this has impacted me. It's I've been living paycheck to paycheck mind tire life and Mike I mean I put it on myself a little bit because I live in San Francisco in expensive last studio but I love it. I love a studio over lived So yes I can probably not live here and have a little more expanded Linfen but I was set up for promotion set for a pay raise literally like April first. That was gonna to be like everything was in be better for me like I was finally able to say like damn making some like livable. Money to in some in some ways like decent money so that that all got taken away put off table because what happened in the NFL going from. Hey you're you're not gonNA get a periods the motion. Reuniting the Perez like whatever Resume than went from that to. Hey actually you know. We have to let people go. You're going to be put on temporarily understand the business side of understand that decision because the company to continue to be a company like you have to think about long term so like I was. I took it very selfishly. I'd say in the beginning announced like Manna sucks. Like what the hell like. I've I worked my ass off. I've done this this and that but looking back yet you can. You can always like that. Was Me reacting the moment in Lagos justified? I justified because of how I felt when what I'd done to get to that point and just got taken away from me but now it's like you know it is what it is I WANNA bounce back figured out on. This would have been trying to do like looking for jobs. I've been doing like informational interviews like I said earlier like talk to this guy from the MLB couple of weeks ago. Super Cool Dude in like was mentioning something about like a job opportunity at enough ever if I'd ever moved to New York. S seems drastic but just like trying to make connections Nana Save helps at least something but just because I want to talk to people in here about what they do. And Hey it's like door door open straight. If NOT UNSTUCK CONSENTED RELATE. A are you doing? How's this has this Like I'm rambling. So feel free is one of the quotes that I hear some audience is. I'm I'm GonNa make my net what I said. It was episode one. He asked me a like what what are. What are the plans at the time? The plans change it. I'll be honest with you. It's been a little bit over here. I guess in some capacity I said I have a great network so make that network worked for me which is kind of a might tell people I had this cast on who was a professional Moi tied fighter. Hey I have a you know this this guest. That has Reagan clothing brownies on his own facile tour. He's still toured with bands like nationwide. Hey I il the list goes on and on some people might being planted like. Oh well. That's really fucking cool but if I were telling. Hey My homie Alex. When High School with Brandon? Just have your friends on this show right. Yeah so this is my networks showcase them and let them speak for themselves. The people love them. Which I KINDA. I guess I was not much can. I knew that it would be it because I knew their story and I knew I read some of the story. Ideas is really fucking so I feel like some of the people in our line. Kinda take it for granted just because Alex it is been but they had heard that somebody else's story was the exact same thing they do. This is fucking killing. He's GonNa Tours whatever whatever and say you know what? I'm obviously. I started this episode while you were lying. Like great friend remind. The people don't realize how close friendships aren't you might think all he had animated. That's pretty dope. I couldn't go about it the other way into like you know what let's be strangers. Make It seem. I don't know you said that some genuine so I said GonNa make the network from insofar as I got other people reaching out to me now that had to be okay and as long as he stayed genuine in new state triggers though flight that network is GonNa Networks look out for you and into your points in the work for you do have from At one conversation with this guy talked on for like forty five minutes. Su Super Cool Flew out of New York and we started conversation was like hey tell me about. He asked me. I tell me about you backstory. What was it with your situation? This isn't that then. We can't edit talking about on my family. It's about the music interested in like it was just a very more like laid back like Hey. I just want to get to know you as person personal connections human interaction I think to me the most important thing like being able to have conversations. I you did with bastards this being able to have a conversation no matter what you believe in no matter what. Your view is like an still having that level of respect of hearing the other person out. That's what I think we should all have should have the ability and should want to do Sad One hundred station guy in I as a cool. Thank you for your time. Emailed them like before the end of the day as a K. Thanks again appreciate the time Stay in touch and then a week. Later job-hunting I saw a job with that twitch and as I guy that looks kind of fits my background let me apply And then coincidentally the next day he's like. Hey are you interested in this opportunity? And it's what I've applied for that same position at twitch My good friend is hiring manager. Now's like actually. Yeah like I just applied for. This is a great. I'm GONNA connected connective email and like so you guys can talk so you like Senate emails in her. He's like hey this is drew. I just had a conversation with him. I think he'd be great opportunity. Like you know here. He is An ended up talking to her ready conversation. So like I'm still in that process of of interviewing for twitch cross my fingers malicious issues again goes back to being yourself. Bless you being itself Just being true to what you believe in just always acting in a genuine fashion. I'd say that we're genuine lot. But it's one word I love and I truly believe in its It's so easy to try to put up a front try to be somebody or not and funny enough. I always felt like I don't call my brothers My brothers always. I was trying to be somebody. I'm not especially when I started Grad School. I was trying to be a little more just like not formal but just a little more spread word like always therese always asking questions. They wouldn't be serious. I guess And they're like do you like at war with the family that I understood it like. Yeah we're at. The family needs to always be on this level of seriousness. But like I was trying to just better myself since like I WANNA. I WANNA go into the workplace. I'm still going to be myself but I know I have to have this level of professionalism and Shit I still mixing miters now. The I started like a drinks withdrew tradition our like Thursday at four PM. We have beer and I introduce them as just how I get along with people. I like to crackle Abnegation sometimes I drink too much but you know everybody. I don't know where the housing was that but anyways begonias genuine sincerely you are one of the genuine people so you can see that much want because one thing George lasy. Jorge Vargas the person I am with you. Here is happy tomorrow. Work at like in canonic than yeah. We're fucking around. The same thing brought it many times. You would've told me they. I don't know why maybe because they see it work in other places. Like a Gimmick. Come in and be like very. Hey healthy goal in me. You would be doing that. That's not hand me so then just GEICO. It'd be like like a radio personality soon and I'm like I don't WanNa be reader personality. That's the great thing about this. Learned Joe Ryan for Bread shopping. I can say whatever the fuck I want. There's no producer back. They're telling me what can say. So why would I try to contain myself in this box that I don't need to be put in? You know something. No No. I'm sorry I I won't do that because they have. Ideas like people have like a wrestler like like fuck in Cogan Rick Flourish amount. Very fucking brother you know. Some sorta gave him and that's not in any way shape or form what I'm trying to do or a plan to you. Know maybe fucking sketch show ever comes battler. Some as a different story. But that's why this is just me trying to have conversations. Whoever may be on whether it's a friend acquaintance somebody I'm getting to know or whatever may be whatever that out and going back to something else you mentioned was the human interaction and I feel like that's one of the reasons why during this kind of Have no honestly like blown up or whatever the word it might be but because people are just kind of for the most part should be stuck to their home be stuck to their small environment. So there's no hugs handshakes. There's nothing like that. So they want that interaction. So what's the next step is the conversation you can only compensate with your mom. Would your theory with your brother. Your sister so long before out. No that's my family unfortunate. They're not boring. You know we have great conversations. Anything even subjects like religion that we've talked to live for a week straight and nobody's got an Undergrad or said even though we have different and whereas I know other places aren't as lucky to be able to have those three phone conversations with no anger Moulmein software. Like maybe this escape okay. Let me see how the rest of the world is. The is Georgia's episode of. Are you the time does not what I like Harry out better and released it? And they're taking up his make. Sean McCormack is good at the tyler. I was kind feeling some type away. But who it's a hiccup. You know you do it. So the human interaction part is I think he in any way because islanders on being bartender being a waiter how you doing you know putting a fucking kosher. Brian's People's Day to day they've been stuck in a cubicle stuck behind a computer known her action. Now you grab your phone and you pay your starbucks food whatever you just walk in. Grab the food yet mellow. Hello how you doing so just a simple. How you doing is more than a lot of people rely. We'll get and I think a lot of people don't realize that's where we're at today because they might not have fucking quick pay or they might not have the fucking APP on the front but a lot of these people do and we're just fucking primitive animals at Learn to read and Ryan can make fired like we need those basic things you know in our lives and it's crazy 'cause like I would right when I was going to work you know Breitbart which is like the train system couple shops. And I'm guilty of it too but I would get on their sit down or stand or whatever and I'd have my headphones in. I was listening music or podcasts. I was in my own bubble As I like start on it in look around in everybody's phone in their hand head-down reading on social media reading doing whatever and again I'm guilty of it but there are times where it's like. I get an Uber. I talked to that guy. That Guy Woman's ear off the entire ride in it's because I just like getting to know people talking and I feel like before this. It was as actually writing today. I went back. 'cause I would carry my notebook on Bart and it just gonNA write my thoughts and stuff like that so I went back and looked at it was about this topic of everybody being bubbles. So's writing about that again today. It's you know it's just sucks. You know we're all just. The new norm was so your interaction was all in your phone and you know everybody knows this every tax us. Everybody does it But you're like I hope this kind of opens people up a little bit more again to that. Strike up a conversation with a random person. A random stranger isn't taboo against the. Nobody's GonNa look at you weird for wanting to talk to them like even if you don't and it'd be it'd be nice to see some of that come back and I'm sure some does like I'm probably over exaggerating. Aren't the chattering. It's just thought Newton the norm. You know our roads. We prefer texting talking on Song. I still collared and people will like not answer. What happened delivers in? Shout out to the friends. I've known a few people that go back not checks contractor but that will answer. We'll talk by ten minutes and another would just like what happened Maybe question real quick for you. Yes you're kind of in the same not in the same situation but a similar situation of me. I two years ago. I started eating a lot by myself in breaking so far from home. That really have no. I have friends out there in that was really a km off work right now. Can you stop what you're doing to come with me? A aloud with my daughter doesn't that grabbing of meal attempt Cam by myself and I I was kind of a little bit like I say I don't kill people with issues. Awkward feel people are standing on my dude. I have friends. They're just busy and I just got up. Were you know like a like maybe once I could do. I'm paying for McNeil not asking for fucking free food. Who gives a fuck remember south so it just Kinda. I wish it was from the first day but I'd be a liar but it was about a month when I started saying you know what I'm designing like. Food and big on who gives a fuck and sometimes linked with no phone or something opened up like a youtube or something. I'll be letting my ass I don't give a fuck. They think I'm crazy with a friend and we were laughing. Wants you to be the same thing you know what I won't be me. So do you eat by? Get the kind of feeling like you have a lot of not a lot. You had insulate that. You've had to be by yourself by your software. Travelled by yourself. I went to the movies by myself under nece rewarding right. It's kind of like we could just laugh without getting a little fucking how would I do you let them? I think it's it's It's important to be able to just be on her own and I prefer being with other people but if it comes down to like having a male by myself for doing some by myself you know I I will see your. I will say there could have been on the movies by myself and I'm GonNa be looked at like. I'm a loner and like I didn't do it. But then after the fact is like whatever like I never gonNA see these people again in my life like they don't need anointing out via. So why do I care what they think than goes back to the whole like me? Not Me trying to be more confident. It's like that's why it's funny because my brothers told me that my entire life like my my thriller brothers. Album said it in different ways. But they're always like why do you care what other people didn't stop channel with other people and like I just couldn't not by the way my thought process was or whatever in in it still affects me. It still affects me to this day like it finally clicked at some point. Say I'M GONNA? I'm dress how I WANNA jazz like you agree style. And would think about you is underrated have swagger my fucking swag. Thank you I appreciate that Yeah is again. I like I like clothes. I like shoes. This net like I wanted by what I want by Madrid Listen the music. I WANNA listen to things because when it comes to music I hate being DJ in. Its for the fact that might add on these two on a light like. Museo de so bad. That area is still struggle with but my vibes a lot. More chill more like like alternative hip hop chill hip hop so whereas people like you know the more a in the traffic and all that. I'm like that's cool vibe. That but nine times out of ten. I'm be chilling on in the corner by myself Yeah it goes. It goes back to not carrying A. I think that's something the mullet. I'm honestly planning it for the corona. I might just do it. For the rest of the fucking. I liked it and in my family that site. Where like you really did it. I guess do being a little Dunham about that life and it was crazy. 'cause my brother. David the youngest Carlos honestly it goes like you pull it off cause you have had like dude. I believe is in danger. You know sounds like he's like fucking and it goes with like thank you his long too because you didn't quarantine and he's like go with me too. I'm a fucking do he. Young young at this age you know. He has friends to impress. He has walking the ladies. And all that Shit's on doing. Show them at this age. You don't give a fuck. I wish I had the balls I did when I was fucking buried and point being. I decided you know what I don't get few people talk shit about fucking up the fuck. I don't give a fuck on my for me. I don't know if I'll ever charting in. I don't know if they will ever have another pandemic like this almost. Hey what did he do during the but Ronan gave I gave myself mulling Latin? No my brother did it for me but I got a mullet. Got An mullets. I'm very happy even though like go. Lie Most of the people who do props because even though it's whatever you didn't just do it you through it again. I was going to like I said what can I do? I thought maybe we should get a bullet. Just you're not down. You're not down in other. I am now. That's what I said. That was my suggestion. I said I was down the fucking. It's doing it's liberating because like ran. I go running right more. Wet My hair so that people can see. It's only I kind of like medical. It looks like Oh whatever haircut what I'd be like Nope I got. I got my little masculine. I told my little mass. Even you're not supposed to lead by example actually by example. Keep doing what you're doing life looking. Don't put Jonathan Ethics. I'm running fucking this fucking web. Bank is running ninety degree weather and fuck. He's rocking a mullet. Like fuck. He's a fucking in Buki or some shit but man I started going Saigon for runs. I'm not how you run with a mask but audits hard and I do. I was killing because my goal. I think I'd first Recorded with my goal rather than running I think was three sixty five miles that you did ten thousand steps a day you know and it's part of mine is trying to feel physically better because get one of my other y long battles has been my like image So I was like all right. Let's make something attainable. A ten thousand steps. It's walking like I can do that. He has a killing out walks. The Bar I'd walk to work I'd walk during during lunchtime easy and then all of a sudden happened. All this happened Ten twelve thousand six data like as likely to get at one thousand sets on the couch in the night. Got Back there. Let's let's do something here like let's not taken everything did go to waste so is started walking I WANNA run. But I just don't feel comfortable with the masks in asthma and I just feel like I'd rather be safe. Had My mask on because people are out in about like nothing's happening for the most part there. Yeah it's it's it's it's when it first started. It was a ghost town. Took awhile Goes ON? There's still people playing basketball across the street. I'm like what are you doing now? The time Then couple week like two weeks after that everybody took it like dead serious analysis super like quiet in the last two. The last two weeks two to three weeks people were just gotten over it. I went pretty lucky. Have three parks around me and two of them are kind of like traditional parks there's grass and then there's the playground and then the basketball courts. Whatever but there's one park next week all John McLaren and it feels like you're in the woods. They almost And I was walking through there and it's spoken up in three sections. The Middle Section has like a little small amphitheater and there was a group of five people just haven't beers like picnic. Just chilling no mass a Mike AG. I hate to judge out a judge on Mike Kid is like. Is this necessary like you can do a virtual happy happier. Abdun one every week with friends like you still get a similar feeling like you don't need to be out here so people are starting to discount to be more a little more lax in You know I got the better of me like a week or two. Does this film Mike should socks like being inside? You know I usually try to get attitude denied it but I just got Ansi getting anxious But you know it is what it is in. I still try to try to follow the rules in that sense so Long Way of saying people are nothing for us out here in Riverside County and he just passed. The law. Where mask aren't necessary anymore. I want to put gas on Sunday. And everyone's wearing masks so I came home tonight like when drop off. My daughter wanted get people so tina very serious and then I followed. I did for the longest but now then according to started following a local pages here on a Peres Riverside Hamid like I follow like Damani temple city will calling when tear an everybody starting to as far as government and I don't spend all day on social media by a small portion it so I'll read the commodore quake the people feeling about this. Because I'm I'm still not at ready to go out there and like to my family out there and people like thank God fucking. Doha tower mass. The more stores cannot mean far as I know sorts. Still Denies Service. If you don't have a mess but I- Costco and all the other stores are starting to like. No no no is come on do crazy like as far as I know about an expert but as far as I know that things are great. It's just starting to reopen things so not to get sidetracked krona but that has to start seeing on that like. I don't want to talk about too much because I think people should not ensure. Don't talk about it but I'm at a point where it's I've talked. I've talked Shared something like a week or two ago knows about like when you pour when there's people just out at Newport package and I should've gone my story Mike really like a. Why why. Why are people doing this and Diddy who I knew my school in like I mean. I haven't talked to him for that and we just had a conversation like you invest. We had a conversation in like wisest Like people should be able to do whatever they want like if they know the risk like and they accept whatever. Lendu announced yet. We can all make our decision but I feel like that's a very selfish way to think about it. It's like you may not be affected. But what if you come in contact You go around somebody else. They get it the ability to transmit it But my point is like it's not hard to stay inside. It's not hard to boy a mess like people in worst positions a come on you know that's also Everybody has an perspective own feelings. I you know we that's fair but it should have known But my is I could stay mass inside for however long until you know until it's deemed safe know. I think going outside right now. Kind of the reins back will increase the chances of a second wave just because you know yes. The percentage of people who have passed away his small in relation to the population as a whole. But that doesn't mean go. Do whatever you want. That's N rant leave it. There upset On so month you know what I don't want to get repetitive. So if you haven't heard my grandson Kovic or how I used to be a denial. Go listen to others. That's a great segue so golden too. But what are your plans? Say I so weird question to ask because Hey drew the quarantine lifted into. What are your plans to do too? But I mean I just in general because I have a few ideas for my south of what I plan to do in the next few weeks right quarantine or no quarantine just things I can do. Would you have clan? You see like in your future things that you can't control. I'm GonNa keep doing what I've been no writing pictures music liver job slake. I guess there's not a lot that really can do. Just virtual pappy hours in that type of stuff Facetime my parents. My family like every day of Niagara Day which I never do that so That's that's been cool be Whenever things again returned to some novelty I'm just looking forward to the day I can go to the bar and have a beer in Lybia round my friends and just like enjoy each other's company Because although a zoom or a facetime or whatever is sufficient for now like I just want like on adapt. But my boys like announced. Probably they're probably not gonNA WANNA do it but please give me give me a debt Yes so not not not much different than what? I'm doing wreck right now. But that could make a recommendation start. Want to call it. A photography page only. Start Your your hobby page. Does it have to be for the likes to be from the follows. It's more for you take the pictures pictures that you kind of feel like. Oh this is good The things you're doing as far as like writing you don't have to. I would encourage Writing with anybody but like the title right like Alkali podcast. Today's writings podcasting writing remember. It's kind of like journalism with pictures. These certain events that DJ said music thing make little video. You making little sound clip. You know ten fifteen. Whatever may be documented. He's doing it. You see your page there. It kind of makes you want to keep doing it. 'em Say in a year. Photography has come a long way and you you have the Like this is where I was. This is where I am. Where will I be in the year so kind of encourages you to keep pushing that you know like I said you only to private no follow anybody you know just so you could see them see air like this is my? This is me or even do on European. I meant if you're photography grows a beer. Yeah writing girls. I wanted to be separate from your original not accountability. Because you're not doing it to be like say it's just a put it out assist to put yourself out there yet. That's actually thought about that in the last day or two. It's what I WANNA do is couple of my pictures with a piece of writing that I do. That leg relates that picture so Though the thing about me is whenever united carried a little pocket notebook around outright. I am bad at going back and late reading it and revising it and like adding to it so I'm trying to be better in that regard so then actually storm something Now I want I want to do that and again to your point sat for necessary for likes or anything like that. It's just to put it out there. In ship. People do decide to follow or like it might means my patriots. My photos are my words. Like transcend our. I guess resonate is better resonate with other people engage 'cause But I found is I don't share. I write little poems here and there. I started when I moved out here. Just because I've always been writing. Stories are channel share have noble full of multiple Other than me and I'm too vulnerable. Even though I put myself out there on this tunnel scenario those are like my most writing scared. Yes your thoughts. Sharing thoughts is scary. And I know exactly what you mean. You're talking about I'M GONNA show you one of mine with you after we're done And like I don't even know what right I I don't know how know recognize. I'm just like putting the other end like I know how flows in my mind. How like I know what it out. I mean it's across but like that's not to say everybody's GonNa get my writings. Diana's way right is kind of weird to be honest it might have been But I'm a I'm a shared a mature one with one Bend and this is crazy. 'cause I I'm not scared I'm just kind of like I don't want to put it out there like not to be ridiculed or not. Say Oh did you. Writing Sucks had. This is what I think when everything is gone. When there's no formal just meet pen and paper this right and I don't want it to be therapeutic. Should sucks on insert heart. Yeah so our low key like short stories like is that a message behind. This reminded trying to show you. A message is not here till short story had message a little life lesson so I try to write one without one and try to make it. Will you find something that there because I hated that? In school wearing all white it was lower the current a they meant the great depression they were like what he knew that he just like glued and I would always a big. We're using that word big hater. Let me write some things with no message. No hidden agenda no nothing and let me just see if people would dig things out for themselves and I don't think they're good but I just you know little hobby. Look Don Hobby his hands and now I struggled that too. It's like I I feel like sometimes. Sometimes I'm too surface level like with my writing Dig a little deeper a warrant context so like Alex scribbled things out on restart but I think I think it's just a good hobby to have in the continued doing it for yourself in thinking necessity to share with anybody but just writing out. Your thoughts is is really scary. I I know that firsthand like the toughest thing for me is putting pen to paper and is leading my thoughts go. Sometimes you can go dart Amana life But I I might continue doing it but am I end with some words of wisdom. Even though I felt like I'll probably Probably reiterate what I've said a couple of times Be Genuine your Take take take a step back acknowledged. Your journey acknowledged everything that you've done. 'cause sometimes you won't. You'll think something's not a big deal when in actuality it's like all right at that was actually pretty cool like I accomplished something I did. X Y Z. Like just again. Acknowledged your journey Everybody everybody's done something worth worth acknowledging so do that. It'll help you understand who are a little bit better and it allows you to continue to be yourself new when you when you talk to your current friends. When you meet New People it will help you be genuine. Just carry that that energy with the I hope that made sense Andrew. I was a pleasure. Thank you for joining me. Levy to thank you for having me back and sorry. That didn't call last time. Thanks for listening. Remember no one loves you. Actors loves you accent.

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Judge Amy Coney Barrett Confirmed for U.S. Supreme Court 2020-10-27

The Takeaway

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Judge Amy Coney Barrett Confirmed for U.S. Supreme Court 2020-10-27

"WNYC is teaming up with NPR to bring you a new daily podcast consider. This will bring you the biggest news stories and what's happening in our community to help you make sense of the day subscribe to reconsider this wherever you get your podcasts. The oath that I have suddenly taken tonight means at its core that I will do my job without any fear or favor and that I would not do so independently of both the political branches and of my own preferences. Last night Amy Coney Barrett became the 9th United States Supreme Court Justice in one of the most partisan displays of power. We have witnessed in the past few decades Republicans use their political majority to force Barracks confirmation before election day. So far sixty million votes have already been cast in the 2020 election embarrassed nomination process was one of the fastest ever for Supreme Court nominee lasting a little more than a month after the death of Ruth Bader Ginsburg Barrett answered less than 20% of the questions posed to her during her sneering leaving many Americans unclear about how the new Justice might lean and frustrating Democrats who remember how President Obama scotus nominee Merrick Garland wasn't even granted a hearing the current team was the culmination of nearly four Decades of work on reshaping the court Mitch McConnell starkly said this on Sunday a lot of what we've done over the last four years would be undone. gamer later by the next election won't be able to do much about this. for a long time to come while Republicans bask in the glory of their third Supreme Court Justice in less than four years millions of Americans continue to face eviction hunger unemployment and a third wave of coronavirus off sections and Congress remains deadlocked on a stimulus package. I'm tanzina Vega. This is the takeaway and that's where we start today with the new supreme court and how it has changed for the foreseeable future may join me now is Christian farias the legal Affairs journalist and regular contributor to GQ magazine and Amy how co-founder of scotusblog. Thanks for being with me. Both of you guys for having me a me. Let's start with you the process of how now Justice Barrett made her way to the Supreme Court has been remarkable in how quick it has gone. How did this happen so quickly it was remarkably fast, but I think Republicans were determined to have her on the court. It as quickly as possible, you know at this Mitch McConnell and you really saw once judge judge Barrett now Justice Barrett submitted her questionnaire. They had been really considering birth for a vacancy for a couple of years. And you saw when she submitted her questionnaire to the Senate Judiciary Committee that within a day or two after just as long as death on September 18th. They had contacted her about the possibility of filling the vacancy and had offered her the job on September 21st. I believe they didn't announce it until September 26th. And then, you know just moved forward at at lightning speed. There is a an editorial the editorial board of the New York Times wrote to talk about this process and I have to say Amy. It's one thing to have a remarkably fast confirmation process and it's another thing in the words that they use in this editorial to use quotes. Brute-force here. I think that's what's frustrating to watch is how a lot of this feels less about the American public and its citizenry and more about brute force and Power on the part of the Republicans home. Yeah. I mean there was not a lot that the Democrats could do. Once the nomination had been made to stop her and the the Democrats sort of recognized that and the strategy at the confirmation hearing was really less about any sort of procedural maneuverings to try to stop her and they really focused on you know, some of their differences and what her confirmation would mean for the court rather than than trying to change the minds of any senators or such Christian. I want to bring you in here because to Amy's point there wasn't a lot that Democrats could do. What did they do enough. I feel like there was a lot of grandstanding. There were a lot of photographs left there. They protested by not showing up but I don't know. I mean could they have asked more questions wage? Judge Barrett now Justice Barrett only answered about less than 20% of the questions. She was posed. So what could the Democrats have done differently here? They actually did everything they could do given a circumstances as Amy pointed out there in the minority their options were limited and really they hammered home the point that they've been trying to hammer even since the last election that the Affordable Care Act is on the line and indeed the the law is on the Supreme Court's docket at the moment and their point. I don't know if they were successful. They try to paint her as a sure-fire vote against the law given her past statements. And the question is will she go with that? Yes or no. Was that a pre-election strategy to drive out people to the polls more so than the feeds her. I think that's that's a question that the election is going to answer because depending on how well this strategy worked and how big a turnout Amy Coney Barrett confirmation page. Result and I think they'll then decide do we have a mandate to do something else? I think it's less about stopping her confirmation. But whether more about whether voters have it in them to truly, you know exact and almost feared as word revenge for what happened, you know, because Millions as the opening said were ready voting 60 million as of yesterday and in a sense, there's something quite anti-democratic about pushing through a nomination as votes are being cast and as people maybe already voting off because Ruth Bader Ginsburg died because they want a Justice that is kind of in her mold and the fact that Amy Coney Barrett is the exact opposite of that page that may itself result in political retribution and I want to pick up on that point Amy because the idea that this is anti-democratic the Christian just pointed out I think wage. And pointing back to this New York Times editorial. We're essentially, you know, it feels in many ways that the American that the United States is somehow being held hostage by a very Miami leave you quite frankly and pointing out here that Republican presidents have appointed 14 of the previous eighteen justices on the court. The Americans have voted for Democratic nominees in six of the last seven presidential elections and yet this is what our Supreme Court looks like a me. How do we explain that? I mean, I think that is what sneakers so many people and you know, I think for the Republicans that it really is as Christian said you're talking about, you know, there's the ongoing election and it seems like Republicans Republican Senators at least May well have made a calculation that they are going to take the you know, and to be sure I'm not a congressional reporter, but at the takes the short-term And that they may well lose their majority in the senate for the long-term gain of controlling the Supreme Court for you know possibly decades to come, you know, you had Senator McConnell off the other day talking about, you know, how even if Democrats take the the White House and both houses of Congress. They'll have this Supreme Court that's able to sort of push back against the you know the acts of Congress and that is what's frustrating Democrats so much and is you know part of the what's underlying the place, you know, the calls for possibly expanding the court, you know, the Vice President Biden has said that he wants to appoint a commission to sort of study the courts but you know the idea to keep pointing. I mean just when I hear that we're thinking about appointing a commission. It just feels like that's another piece of Washington rigmarole and just you know getting caught in the month. Of of Washington when Americans are saying you may want to appoint a commission but we this this Administration has just appointed three judges in less than four years. I'm sure I mean, I mean, I think you have to look back that way. I think people that the idea that people are talking about corn tech support expansion sort of in the mainstream. Now I think is has come a long way like two years ago even sort of whispering the word Court package was completely taboo or want to get I want to get into court packing in a minute because I want to talk about that strategically, but before we get to that stand by Amy Christian one of the things we hear over and over again is how judges should not legislate from the bench and yet scotus has in many ways because Congress is so broken has had to become in many ways of legislative body and plugged back to this New York Times editorial today. It says today's conservative majority and I'm quoting here is among the most activists in the courts history. How do we explain the hypocrisy their Christian faith? It's interesting because the Republican agenda legislatively is so unpopular the American public just doesn't want what Mitch McConnell and his party have to offer in terms of solutions for the American people that the party turns to the courts to kind of enshrine their vision of society their vision of how the world should work, So it's it's kind of his interesting interplay, you know, we don't have any bills to offer. We've already adjourned the Senate McConnell last night. I turned the set it and so after the election without a covert refill, you know again because his view of how that relief bill should look it is is not what people want. So rather than actually come to the table and offer Solutions you rather, you know takes all his toys and go home and and the fact that he's now insisting instead on this new Justice that will deliver outcomes for decades to come a conservative majority no choice. Just in at the Supreme Court, but also in the federal appeals courts, which also decide many very important cases related to legislation and social policy. You know, it just shows kind of odd how they're play. They're planning to kind of cement their vision for how Americans should live their lives. So it it's interesting Christian meantime, the problem is as you mentioned, there are you know, a million Americans have been pushed into poverty. And while the GOP has gotten its Victory. It has kept its promise President Trump in particular has kept his promise to make sure that they seat as many judges as I possibly can they have done that but they have abdicated their moral responsibility to the American public that is suffering right. Now. How do they expect to stand? Maybe this is to Amy's earlier point that they're betting on the short-term versus the long-term precisely, you know, and and that's why it's interesting because right now based on this evident power grab the question is will voters respond with birth. Voters punish them and and we need to see what happens after the election. How big if if biting winds how big he wins and also if he takes back the Senate how big that take back is because based on that mandate they will now have to make a decision. What do we do to reverse this trend? Yes, of course, they have this whole eject Biden. I'm sure has all these things he wants to do but the question is will the courts to push back on those policy agendas. And if the courts begin striking down Democratic wage legislation, which is what many progressives and many Democrats fear that Amy Coney Barrett in the consumer majority. Now, let's say there's a new Voting Rights Act that will protect the right of right to vote moving forward will an activist Supreme Court go and do away with that then, you know, then what's even the point of passing Democratic legislation if you're going to have courts to suck. Making it all down. What is the concern about this word? Court-packing? Yeah. I think I'm not sure that there's that much of a concern right now. I think that Democrats are so upset at about the way that things have played out, you know, the the idea that the the Gorsuch seat was a stolen seat. You know that Mitch McConnell said were not going to confirm wage adjusted during the presidential election year. And then now that the Republicans are in the White House and they have the opportunity to confirm a justice during the presidential election year and they went ahead and did it, you know, but it was it was taboo for a long time. I think that there was a sense that that you know talking about court-packing might somehow hurt the Democrats in in the upcoming election. And you know, I'm I'm not sure that there's a sense that that there is much of a harm right now from talking about it the idea that what about term limits Amy. What about that? What about implementing or yep? Hitting the power of support. Is that something that Democrats could do it is something it's interesting because term limits too many people I was actually talking about this is my seventeen-year-old daughter this morning, like it sounds like a much more reasonable wage. Yeah, too many people, you know, the idea that you know eighteen years or so sounds very very civilized, you know, and then you would know when Justice was going to roll off and in advance of an upcoming presidential you need say okay this President would get depict the next nominee, but that actually my understanding is that it would be hard and Christian can correct me if I'm wrong would be harder to do because the Constitution gives Supreme Court Justices life tenure whereas the Constitution does not set the number of justices on the Supreme Court. So, you know, it seems somewhat counterintuitive that that adding justices to the court might actually be easier as a constitutional and legal matter than limiting their terms. Christian in terms of the way that what we know about Judge Barrett and I'm not going to get into how she will rule on a or b topic cuz we don't know how she's going to rule and we can't predict that off. The the question I have is how little we took away from her after these confirmation hearing she answered less than 20% of the questions that were posed to her. And I would love if you could help us understand that in the contract. For example, Sonia Sotomayor is confirmation hearing how different were the two. Yes. She was not forthcoming at all. I mean there were basic questions that she got as like his voter intimidation illegal and she wouldn't answer that when the reality is it is illegal. What what does she have to say about the peaceful transfer of power or you know other authoritarian Tendencies of the current president and she wouldn't answer those things. And of course the reality is that she was just protecting her own nomination because we know that the president tends to you know, not take kindly to people who Crossed him and so she was shrewd in that sense. But the reality is is that you know, she took part in this process. She accepted it for all it is for all his Rush. She appeared on the balcony of White House South lawn last night for what looked like a campaign event because Donald Trump tweeted video a video of it off and that's not typical or behavior for a Supreme Court Justice is yeah. It's it there are a lot of things that we're a typical about this process and the fact that you know, she kind of took it all in and she played along I mean she was in the middle of that super spreader event when she was announced for covet mean it just tells you something that she was pretty much in the tank with this whole thing and and I think people should draw their own conclusions from that. The the reality is that she is on the court right now. There are cases before the court dealing with this very election whether mail-in ballots will be counted well, You know it everyone would she be forced to recuse herself from those cases? She won't be forced to do anything Supreme Court Justices call their own shots when it comes to recusal. And the question is well Amy Coney Barrett Barrett do the right thing and and the reality is is that there's already a majority in the court that is hostile voting rights. The question here is well, she joined them or will she step aside and just last night. There was a huge number of opinions from the Supreme Court dealing with voting in Wisconsin. There's another case from Pennsylvania pending another one for North Carolina. And and this is where the rubber will meet the road and and what she does in those cases will be dispatched a demonstration of whether she is independent or not. And and I think if she recuses at least she will be shown the public that you know, that that the stakes are high in their own Integrity off. Line Amy as we close out the segment. What does this do the whole process the way that this that the path that you mentioned Merrick Garland and Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh. And now we've got Amy Coney Barrett very contentious nomination processes and yet like as I mentioned President Trump kept his promise to the American public by by seating as many judges as he could. How is this changed the court for the foreseeable future. We've got about a minute-and-a-half to go. Yeah, so interestingly until before the death of Justice Ginsburg the Supreme Court sort of was doing actually fairly well in these polls involving public, and so, you know, my impression has been that when you have something like this the Supreme the sort of perceptions of the Supreme Court do tend to take a hit and then the Supreme Court you usually come to recover but then it will will take a hit again and but it will be, you know, the combination of this and the possibility that the Supreme Court could be drawn into election-related litigation. And you know, I think it could certainly affect the Public's perception and and you know, we saw this after Bush versus Gore it may well take this a while for the Supreme Court to recover Christian farias is a legal Affairs Jersey and contributor to GQ magazine and Amy, how is the co-founder of scotus blog? Thanks to you both for joining me. Thanks for having me play Trivia Crack. On September eleventh two thousand one the world changed but there were warning signs but it's always easy in hindsight to say it's a big mistake. I'm Jim O'Grady. I'm a reporter and the WNYC Newsroom and I'll be revisiting the evidence to understand why we didn't see it coming. I said I told you these bastards are coming back blind-spot the road to 9/11 a new podcast serial history and WNYC Studios. Listen wherever you get your podcasts. And we're continuing our series Avatar where we talk about Latino voters ahead of the 2020 election and the issues that matter most to them today. We're doing something a little different and returning to Latino candidates specifically those two are running for congress this year a number of Latino Democratic candidates are running for House Seats that could make history on the ballot or candidates who could become the first lgbtq Latina in Congress the first afro-latino and the first Native American Veteran for more on these candidates and how they're resonating with latino voters were joined by friend of the show Nicole Acevedo a digital reporter for NBC News the cold great to have you as always of course, thank you. So who and how many people are we seeing Latinos running for congress this year compared to previous years. We had a really good year last time in the 2018 midterms when we have a record number of Latinos confirmed to the house. So essentially what we're seeing is dead. Getting re-elected and a bunch of other Latinos trying to grab seats from either candidates that people from Converse at decided to retire or are just challenging other other seeds show me some of the reasons why people are running because one of the things we've heard historically is that there aren't that many Latino leaders in particular. So why do people say that they're running this year? Yeah. No, I mean even with the record number of seats in Congress last time around that was still, you know, not proportionate to the amount of Latinos that live in this country, right? So from talking to candidates that could potentially make history in Congress this November a lot of things that they had in common was that off their races were very personal to them in the sense of growing up in with life experiences that maybe other members of Congress have not had and then phone number Thinking that if they were in positions of power where they can make policy based on those lived experiences not only on other experience they made of have in government or off then on profit sector maybe things could change for for future generations and let's remind ourselves that you know, the the Latino population is is the largest minority group in the country and we have 1 million Latinos turning eighteen every year for the next decade or two. So we have a lot of Latinos Coming of Age old enough to be able to be in positions of power and make policy and also thinking about the ones that are coming behind them. I want to talk a little bit about who these folks are. Let's start with Ritchie Torres. He's making some moves here in New York City, right? Oh, yeah on Ritchie Torres if he is elected for congress this November, he would become the first openly LGBT June. Q Latino in Congress and the likelihood of him making history is very high because he is essentially would essentially be taking over this seat of Congressman Jose. Cerrano who's a 16 term Democrat from the South Bronx. So given that is a historically Democratic District his chances of being elected. I really really high and and his upbringing in the South Bronx was like many many people in that Community part of a public housing Public Schools public hospitals and his platform. His campaign platform is about you know, hey, I grew up in in in this community. I understand they need and I'm not going to advocate for those needs when I get to Congress off Nicole. What about folks like Candice Valenzuela in Texas and Rudy Soto in Idaho. So Candace Valenzuela, it's in a really interesting position wage. Cuz she's essentially in what we often referred to as a toss-up race, which means that it's 50-50 to go fifty-fifty Republican or it could go fifty-fifty Democrat and she said count that I looking to flip that seat for for the Democrats and the Democrats feel like they have a really good chance with her and if she's elected she will become the first afro-latina first black Latina to be elected to congress. So it's it's a big deal not only because she would make history by by being the first afro-latina, but because she could potentially help the house either keep their current power or gain more ground in that area. What about on the Republican side Nicole? Are there any emerging Latino voices? They're they are we have interesting enough in New Mexico we have that is a leader Fernandez who's a Democrat but her opponent. Alex is dead. Johnson has told local media in New Mexico that she identifies us Hispanic and and has Hispanic ancestry and Native American ancestry. So you basically, essentially have to Latinas facing facing each other for these third congressional district in New Mexico. However, that seat has been historically Democrat. It was foiled by Ben Ray Lujan who is leaving the house now and it's running for the Senate and he's currently the assistant speaker. So even though we have a republican there who are basic package to Latinas facing each other. It's very likely that that the Democrat that is a ledger Fernandez will prevail. We also have a Latina Republican nase New York. She again, it's New York, which is predominantly Democrat. So her chances of her winning are slim, but if she does she will be there first Republic Latina to to win a sit in New York does having more Latino candidates on the ballot signify that there might be more Latino turnout at the polls or is that still too early to tell it's too early to tell and not necessarily research historically shows that what really turns Latinos out to the polls is how you reach out to them. Especially in-person voter Outreach is the most successful tactic in the middle of the pandemic that has become very challenging for campaigns and Grassroots organizations mobile racing Latinos, but it's we've seen so far in early voting on increasing number of Latinos voting and and young at dinos voting many people for for the first time. So, I think it's more it's an added thing that oh if they are Latino and they also Stanford things I I believe in and they showed up to my job. Or and things like that the likelihood increases but I don't think it's necessarily there's necessarily a correlation there that because there's more Latino candidates. We're seeing more Latino voter turnout. We're also seeing a lot of it's just for the House of Representatives. Well, what about the Senate? I mean that is one of the least diverse branches of our federal government and I'm just wondering whether any Latinos have a chance of breaking into that upper chamber know we had for Latinos in the Senate if I'm not mistaking as it comes to Latinas. The only one is still wrong Catherine Cortez masto, and she she's the sole Latina running right now for for Senate. We also have people like Michael Rubio Ted Cruz Maria's belong Bob Menendez. Are familiar faces to the Senate, but we're not seeing enough nice faces. They're like we are seeing in the house and do we know why that is is that usually a question wrong? Money connections or all of the above all of the above really and I also think in terms of the Senate it's it's a little bit harder just the way their drinks are are sort of laid out. You have more chances in in the house to sort of go more granular into who are communities and who are representing them. Nicole Acevedo is a digital reporter for NBC News Nicole. Thanks for joining us. Thank you page as the weather cools down in the pandemic drags on many of us are bracing for a tough winter and even some of the hobbies that people took up to relax back. The spring might be starting to wear thin cooking for example is one of them at the start of the pandemic. Some people were fortunate enough to have the time and resources to try elaborate. Yep. Consuming recipes but seven months in that sourdough starter might be losing a bit of its magic to recapture some of that Joy of Cooking we turn to an expert. My name is Soleil home and the video host of stumped Sola and the resident at Food52 soul is new YouTube show is all about experimenting in the kitchen. We need another plan. I don't think the floating mushroom islands are going to work box Century mac and cheese. It's not going to look anything like the mac and cheese from right now. But you know, it's the 18th century Grand Finale Twinkie. I'm going to turn the twinkie into an ice cream sandwich. I'm going to try and make liquid Subway cookie with the cake and then swirl the cream and some ice cream that we also got from Lego. But outside of her show Soul has been trying to keep it a little simpler lately. I just like everyone else at the beginning of the pandemic was really indulgent and baked a lot made a lot of cakes bread pies cookies, but now I think I'm need a job. Like move into the healthier food root meaning a lot of quinoa and beans before we got into some of Solace cooking tips for the coming months. She told me how cooking has helped her cope during the pandemic something just really comforting about making yourself a meal that really helps in this like chaos to just come home and like take some time. So I guess we're not going anywhere stay home and take some time to make a really nice dinner sit down with your family cuz I I didn't really have that my husband works crazy hours. So we barely got to eat together. So it's really nice being able to have meals together and it just like centers like life a little bit. What about how you cook you talked a little bit about what you're cooking. But what about how you cook Are there specific routines are there things that you do, you know during this time you said we're not going out much. So have there any are there any routines that you've tried to stick with? Yeah. I've definitely gotten more into meal planning and trying to focus more on cooking stuff. That's like a dog One pot or one pan because cooking three meals a day is just like an incredible amount of dishes and it's it's quite a lot of work. So I've just been trying to be a bit more organized like roasted butternut squash to eat for a few days things like that have really helped make it a lot easier is that part of what you would recommend for folks especially as we head into these colder months cuz one of the things I learned the first time around was making sure your freezer is as stocked as it can be with frozen vegetables. And if you eat meat with meat and I kind of you know was doing it at hochberg time. I made a concerted effort to go out and get frozen vegetables and different cuts of meat that I could then, you know separate and fries. Yeah, I mean actually we have a really small New York City refrigerator which doesn't work very well. So the boy really depend on our freezer very well. Our freezer doesn't really push these things. So we're more of like a stocking up on the pantry kind of people but for me, it's like I don't really like making my meals in advance because I get kind of bored but I like making prepping not parts of different components of dishes that I can like play around with later like make a big pot of beans cook up like a quart of quinoa roast a bunch of vegetables and then you can kind of mix and match during the week without getting bored. But we we can't we don't really have freezer access. Unfortunately. I think that if we did we would be stuck in up in there to let's talk about the pantry then what should people be thinking about in their pants off. Well, I believe that you must always have three kinds of rice three kinds of rice. Okay, three kinds of price along a medium and a short. They'll do very different things for you. I like to have a really good best Notting a nice aromatic Jasmine and then I love like a really high-quality sushi rice like to Monkey gold. That's our standard in the house and it's just really nice goes through age of rice can help you kind of cook the globe, you know, you can you can you can have to dig one day with your bus money race and then make handles the other day with sushi rice. So I think having a bunch of rice is great. I love having lots of beans I've been really into giant white lima beans lately because they are so creamy and they taste so indulgent it's feels like something a little bit more special special than like your typical cannellini or kidney bean and then I've just been like a big fan of quinoa lately where I'm like a weird quinoa kick. Holidays are coming up and lots of folks associate holidays with food and unfortunately a lot of us are not going to be spending time with our families in person because of the panoramic. How do you cook for the holidays this year? What should people be thinking about? I mean, you know part of the joy is making huge meals that everyone can share but we can't do that this time. I honestly think that you should still make the huge meal you yeah, I think it feels really fun celebratory. Even if it's just you and like your immediate family cuz you can have leftovers off and I still want to feel like I'm having a celebration for me this year more than ever. It's very important to have like a really fun and exciting Thanksgiving and Christmas because the year has been terrible. I'm not going to agree that has definitely been there already Christmas ornaments that have 20/20 and you know displayed over a a roaring dumpster fire, so I'm not going to disagree with you there. But yep. I will say is that it's been not everybody is as talented as you Sola in the culinary arts. And so for those folks who are listening and saying I don't even know I don't have one kind of rice off and solo wants me to get three kinds of rice. What's a what's what what advice would you give to the folks who are not as Adept at the culinary arts? Well, I think a really easy thing that can also be very comforting is a brace and you really can't mess up a brace. You can get a tougher cut like pork shoulder or lamb shoulder or a short ribs. It's really easy. You can do a larger quantity or a smaller quantity and you just kind of UC RIT you cover it halfway with some broth or another kind of flavorful liquid and then you just let it simmer on top of your stove top really delicately partially covered or throw it in the oven and let it go and you just you just let it cook until it's totally tender and you really can't mess it up dead. You can't overcook it. And it's one of those things that I feel like especially when it's colder makes me feel really cozy and the great thing about it is it gets better the next day so you can still make a big like cut of meat feel like you're having that festive feeling but you're going to have it for like a week and it's only going to get better and I think that that's like anyone can make a brace and Thursday. It's a really good skill to have in your back pocket. It's so much easier than you think you just cook it forever. That's all there is to it. Are there you mentioned earlier one pot or one-pan meals. Are there any that you recommend are particularly simple to make are there any go to's for folks who might be juggling, you know other things like kids and work and now back to cooking but I mean, I think there's a lot of things. I have a I have a one skillet chicken and rice that I just did for Food52, but besides that I think you could do any kind of Stew any kind of bracelets log. One pot situation and I think that a soup is just like a really nice thing you could use really use whatever is in your fridge start by cooking out some aromatics add some water or broth and then throw in whatever you have around and just let it simmer and it's like one bowl really wholesome really comforting and it's one of those things that you can just like put on low. It will do its thing and then you can go take care of the kids or take care of the dogs or what else or else you have to do and it'll kind of take care of itself. So what about all those sourdough starters? Are you sensing that we're heading back that way? I never really got into the shower don't think it was sort of a tongue-in-cheek question. But I mean people seem pretty serious that that was like a thing that they were getting into I my sense is that page may be dissuaded from going there again. I know a lot of people went really hard into it. I personally like for me it feels like too much like another pet that I have a hard enough time with my current pets. But I I think that there are people who are still going to do it. I have a friend who bought actually at the beginning of this she bought a 50 pound bag of flour and she still making her way through it off. So I'm wondering that that's another thing are there are there things for kids in our lives are there ways the kids can be entertained in the kitchen as we head into the the colder months here particularly around the holidays. Should we be thinking about cookies and and other treats for the kids? Oh, definitely. I mean, I think that there's always simple tasks that you can give kids in the kitchen. I pretty much that was how my mom would keep me out of trouble by having me just stand next to her in the kitchen and like cleaning vegetables and roll out rotis. There's a lot of stuff that kids can do that don't require any knives at all. And I think yeah decorating cookies is a really fun one and it's very easy and inexpensive to Jake really simple sugar cookie dough. And I think that you could entertain kids for hours having them roll out dough cut out shapes and then decorate it with icing. I I truly believe kids should always be in the kitchen. I did it. I have all my fingers off. The other kids can do it too on a more serious note. We have been talking about the number of Americans who are struggling to put food on the table at all right now, I'm wondering if I could get you in any other chefs that you know have found ways to help support others in this pandemic. I know in the beginning a lot of restaurants were cooking for hospitals and things like that and it is wage. Google but I think that the thing that they need the most more is is money rather than donations of food because the a lot of these food banks buy in bulk and and there are specific things that they need cuz a lot of times when you donate it's stuff that you don't want which means it's stuff that they don't want either. So I think doing little fundraisers on Instagram have been really cool because I I've been blown away like I can do a half hour live and raise like a few thousand dollars, which I think can be really helpful. I know that it's tough right now for everyone money is tight for a lot of people but like yeah, I think if you can give a few bucks here and there that's really helpful and really a dog. I think it might actually be more helpful than like taking random canned goods to your local food bank, but it's all good. Do whatever you can possibly do, honestly. It's shifting gears for a minute here this summer. We've been covering on this show. We've been talking about the lack of diversity in media on so many levels and it is happening across the board. We know that it happened at Conde Nast magazine bonappetit this summer you spoke out about that culture of racism and pay inequity there and since then you've created your own thousand. How's the transition been for you from sort of a more traditional magazine Outlet to being on your own on YouTube. It's been interesting. I wish I knew show I actually have a lot of creative freedom and control so that is really fun and exciting but also a little scary because I put if I put something out there and people don't like it. I got no one to blame but myself off but it's a tradition of still getting used to it's all happened really quickly, but I am very pleased with the positive feedback so far. And how do you feel about the future of food media right now, I think that a lot of people in food media have become aware of these issues and I think that there will be a lot of changes in the right direction, you know, it's unfortunate how it had to come about but I think we're going to get there. I really have a lot of Hope any remaining tips that people should be thinking about when they're preparing for this winter and their pantries go for a lot of grains stuff that maybe you haven't tried before, you know, try cuz it can be kind of boring cooking out of a pantry if all you have is Baptista, so don't be afraid to try something new like farro or couscous or quinoa at the end of the day or just boiling stuff in water suit, so you'll be okay. You'll figure it out Sola wage is the host of the YouTube series stumps Ola and a resident at Food52 Sola. Thanks so much. Thank you. All right folks, that's our show for today. Hope you enjoyed it. 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The Invisible Leader: Facilitation Secrets  Elena Astilleros on The Product Experience [Rebroadcast]

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The Invisible Leader: Facilitation Secrets Elena Astilleros on The Product Experience [Rebroadcast]

"K. randy christmas has come and gone. Did you get anything. Good will really herman. The hanukkah candle did deliver some nice socks. And i did get some nice stuff from my family and christmas morning you well being pasha Down christmas is a blessing on us on the one hand you missile officializing but on the other you get more turkey sam. Did to yourself or sprouts images if you're veggie but that's only for now and you know what time it is. It's time to review the make some relations. So what did you notice you. Can i do a serious one. Actually the biggest thing. I'm taking away from this year. Is how important community is doing this. Podcast with you. Every week has been amazing for my sanity. You know such as it is and so have all the communities that i've opted into. I started virtual. Lean coffee group. That's been absolutely amazing. And the mind. The product conferences. Events are a godsend. You'll so right. And after a few months of not product tank bristowe. We finally got together a few weeks ago for a small informal ketchup and it was a lovely everyone. I forgot how much i missed that. That sounds great. I wish i could have done one of those. And you've got an a great community with product bristol. sometimes communities really need work and that means facilitation which is even harder when you're remote and that means alina estaleiros so let's revisit the chat that we had with her earlier this year and ena is amazing. Not just because. She sends us very kindly. The marguerite tickets ivory by is hiring courage though intense. The product experience is brought he by mind product every week. We talked to the best product people from around the globe about how we can improve practice and build products that people love visit mind the product dot com to catch up on past episodes and to discover an extensive library of great content and videos browse for free or become a mind the product member to unlock premium articles unseen videos. Ama's roundtables discount store conferences around the world training opportunities and more minded product also of his free product tank meetups in more than two hundred cities. Ns probably one near you. Hey everyone quick. Update on the mining product conferences. Before we get started so the conferences in hamburg on san francisco this year to ensure unnecessary risk community. Product are going to be taking the conferences online while we can't announce any of the speakers just yet i can tell you. One of them is my newest biggest goal. Crush say you can try and guess who is can also say they are either a past or a future podcasts guests. No more than that okay One other thing we try and keep politics out of this podcast. And it's been a really tough year for everyone and for me as an american living in the uk. It's been tough to watch the events unfolding across the country back home the week so before we jump into this week's episode. I want to ask everyone listening to think about one thing. We joke a lot about how product people love all of the responsibility but none of the power but we have a lot of influence in things. We've influence with our teams with companies policies. And in the things we build maintain so my advice to you this week please take some time to reflect and think about how we can make the world a little bit better every day and to provide some inspiration paps and certainly boundless positively and warmth august today is elena as sarah's agile cage extraordinary elena doesn't just practice joshi embodies buddies. It and we hope you enjoy this wonderful view and nine a bit more about how to facilitate lead. Great meetings you had. The conversation was amazing and sos elena. Let's get to it. The product experience is brought to you by mind the product every week we talked to the best product people from around the globe about how we can improve practice and build products that people love because it mine the product dot com to catch up on past episodes and to discover an extensive library of great content and videos browse for free or become a mind the product member to unlock premium articles unseen videos. Ama's roundtables discount store conferences around the world training opportunities and more ninety products of his free product tank meetups in more than two hundred cities as probably one. Thank you so much for joining us today. On the podcast for anyone who doesn't already know you. Can you give sir quick intro. Yeah well my. Name's elaine acevedo's and i started the technology field as quality assurance intern and so i got to see all of the bad assumptions and bad behaviors fall into my lap at the end of a project in two thousand and eight. I learned this wonderful in called scrum. I became an evangelist. I saw programmers turn into a team culture. And i've been facilitating ever since however i have the super secret history back. When i was in my twenties i was a community organizer so i got to learn how to facilitate an move large soup people who are often times very stubborn and very much clashing against one another. So i've been able to take all of that facilitation skill and bring it over to the technology into business into enterprise and create big better amazing products with it. Wow yes so before we get into the stuff. There's a question of wanted to ask every guest that we've ever had and i never had the chance to ask before so if you could have a superpower would it be flight invisibility. Oh my gosh it would invincibility. And the why i would love to just sweep on by people and put like hundred dollar bills in their pads just like moving around and just like all of a sudden. It's like whoa magic happened to me and that would make me so excited and so happy okay. So that feels like a parable of of where we're going with this whole thing so you wrote a book and one of your key. Things is as being a agreed. Facilitator is coming invisible. And but you're the person standing up in front of the room. So how does that jibe habits that well it is. You're the person standing up in front of the room because you're holding the boundaries. You get to say where do we wanna go. What do we want to do with our time and what will make success. Why are you here then. You just let yourself go back and relax and let your team do the work that you want them to do. Because especially in the product route. How many products leaders carry the weight of the world on their shoulders. And i thinking about everything are moving big boulders. All by themselves that cannot happen anymore. We have to let our teams lift up those boulders together so that way we can do bigger better things say. The book is called invisible leaders. Yes and then it. Has this amazing strap line. Which i'm just gonna read 'cause i didn't normally read stuff from the book i have. I have to this time because it was just. It's facilitation secrets. Catalyzing change cultivating innovation and commanding results. Yes which is just amazing like ed. So where where does this stop like. How do we catalase change. Cultivate innovation in command results. Yeah well the first thing of commanding a result is making sure you're clear on the results and making sure that everybody are working with are also clear on the results again. Going back into the photograph. How many times have we created products. That are not what we wanted. And because we weren't clear so you commend results with clarity. You catalyze change because you allow people to feel eager and excited to move around and get their ideas out. You're exciting them. You're making them want to do. The changes want to go with you on this journey to an unknown frontier. They've never been on and so that they're gonna they're gonna play with you. And then the cultivating innovation is. You're creating that space being a leader. Who gets rid of all the friction. Who gets rid of blame. Who gets rid of all the sabotaging pieces that that we see in the workplace. People are naturally innovative. How many folks you ask them about something and they know ten different ways to better but there's friction in their waists they can't do it so those three things. The format of my book teaches you skills to use meetings to allow all of that to come out. Say would you describe facilitation as almost like setting the culture for the meeting or like what's your definition of of a facilitator. That's such a good question so I don't know if you were speaking speaking about spanish facile in spanish his easy settle in my dictionary. A facilitator someone who makes it. Easy plan is simple sober. okay soon. The where we just easy star word an is it just. I walk into the room. And i said the tone or where do i start by to create a good setting for meeting the absolute first thing. That you've got to start is with your mindset and with that foundation that he built and i'm going to tell you the shocking study that some of you may have heard it in your psych one. Oh one class. Some of you listeners have heard it play along with me because i'm taking it someone you so the study goes. There were a group of students and they were divided into three groups. The teacher was told group a were the superstars of the of the class that they were above and beyond average they need to be challenged. Watch out for them. They're going places. Then you had your control group and then you had the third group who these are your troublemakers. These are not good students. Watch out for them. they're They're they have lower than average test scores and unbeknownst to teacher. This was all random picked out of a hat. whether you were in a a b or c mo. ever think about it. What do you think that bias is gonna do. At the end of the study group. Eight did amazing did way better than average. The control group stayed about the same and then the shocking pieces that the third group did worse. Their scores lowered. They were misbehaving. they were. They weren't behaving well. So when i'm taking this as a facilitator way you want to start is set your bias. You have bias anyways. Set your bias that you are working with group. A and every single person is group a whether or not there grew a whether or not other people said there bay doesn't matter your opinion your mindset matters and if you can if you can learn that piece from this interview holy moly you're gonna see just Explosions of results come out or the things we need to do before we even walk into the room. No yes i wanted to say. Need okay product professionals. Know there's a million things you can do to do a great product. You're not going to do all of them. However your customer interviews are kinda like your brennan butter right. So so you look for your bread and butter and one of the things i doubt mindset like foundational is your mindset. Then there is a set of practice of pieces of prep chuckled. A little bit about this book. Actually i have a whole section on it. And the and the one piece that i would recommend. That's the bread and butter. And i took this leaders. Took this from the product roles. It's basically you're taking your customer interviews and you're plying it to the people in your meetings and you're basically checking with them. What does success look like. What are you. What are recreating here. Do you know what our mission is. What are you worried about. And when you get clear on that people they're doing something that's called priming so their brain is already working on solving problems before they come into the room and once they come into the room they know exactly what they're up to feel heard all of the garbled. all of the noise has been has come out. And then you could start. You could just get into business so you these these questions before the meetings. Yes if i want the meeting to be amazing. I absolutely do if i if there's no time thing you don't do it right sometimes you don't get to interview your customers the way you want to. So however the more amazing wanna make something the better. It's gonna turn out. I think you had some ready Tips on invitations to meetings as well. Because that's quite often the first thing people will see as like this thing. Landon erim volks a nice. Like maybe like project x catch up with light herridge. I'm twenty people at it and it's for an hour and it's because i said so you'll find out in the thing you have to come. Yes so quickly. I borrowed from the wonderful preah. Parker and she has an amazing book. You can follow up but this particular tip. I got from her article called. We've got to stop meeting like this tips for better workplace gatherings and the wall street journal and what she basically says is you. Set that meeting context. And you set how people are gonna react from the moment you sent out an email and an email invitation so your invitation invites can sound like status meeting or they can be. Let's kick butt in sales. You know whatever it is. Whatever challenge your tackling. Let's beat the pots. Let's keep our customers safe meaning just inside be respectful enough of people's time so that they can start negotiating first of all whether they wanna be even be in that session and second of all what so that they know what to bring to that session put in a quick description. It could just be sentences. I put a lot more in my book as to what you could add however just be respectful. Let individuals know what they're up against because they'll give you so much more that little investment especially if you have twenty people in it's an hour and a half of their time that little investment will pay off big time. Yeah so you've done all the prep and everyone's ready. They know the context. They've done any prep that they need to do. And then they walk into the room and and now it's even more complicated because they don't walk into the room. Dial into the call. How do you start from there and set the context of make sure that everyone feels involved that everyone's ready and that it's not one of those sessions where it's like okay. We're all excited. And now so just gonna talk at us for twenty minutes and tell us what they've already decided. Yeah ouch that. That is so painful. And it's one of the most painful things we see in sessions. How do we start. Get the big bang going and allow team members to shine. Okay so the first thing you want to do is make sure that everybody's connected and they know what they're here for whether it's a daily fifteen minute stand up or a huddle you can quickly say. Okay let's get together. Whatever you wanna say just to set that tone The second piece is make sure that you yourself and this is something. I really recommend that you yourself are in a space that will allow your team to create coherence because whether or not your in person or your remote people can feel your people can fill your energy levels and has the person who's leading a meeting you are the most infectious person of the whole room because our emotions are infectious. So if you're distracted if you're blaming people all of the sudden it just deteriorates deteriorates the session. I'm taking look for granted. Thank you so of those two things. there's more again. There's more in the book. But i think having setting the context from the beginning you did it with the email us you remind at the beginning of the session. What you're here to solve and then the second piece is you go through and you make sure that you are able to facilitate the solution. Are you struggling to find the answers to your questions. Keen to land from others in the community and want to know where to go next and your career mine. 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Its own heartbeat. And i'm going to go ahead and just talk about maybe a workshop where you're there to solve a problem. You're there to do a work breakdown or you're there to idea on what. How customer problem. Actually we'll do that. We're going to talk about. Ibm needs to solve a customer's problem. So ideally you've sent out the email and it's exactly everybody knows exactly what they're up for then you've set the context reminded them with are therefore and now you can go ahead and use the tools that you already have us. Give everybody Their keyboard because now we're remote and allow them to interact and solve the problems that you want them to solve so give them a question now like you said i have it broken down into the way i follow theater and great events theater. In great events have three common items. They are strong boom. You have you have the opening number. Just t- everybody knows what you're up against so you are the opener. Then you have the middle where everything's building out so now you're giving the questions to your team. You're leading people right down. The whatever their ideas are. You're starting to move things. Luke hohmann has innovation games and they are phenomenal to do that. Middle part when you are at the middle of a session. One of the best ways to get the most information out of them is at the middle. Say you're at the middle. Where about halfway through our time. And then the brain kicks into high gear. Because it's oh. My god we need to finish on. This was the outcome. Let's all drive and believe it or not. Your team goes into group flow and they start working together and there's even more productivity because that deadline is now moving them towards the outcome and then the final pieces i mentioned. Is you have a great finale. So you want to tie all of this up in a bow and it sounds so funding. Because i'm i'm talking about workshop. A fifteen minute. I'll tell you how to do it in a fifteen minute daily on or whatever but let me just tell you in in your time with the bow your basically going back and saying what you did your aknowledging the work you're acknowledging where you were before and where you are now so that we see the hard work would it took and then you're talking about the next steps beautiful. Everybody's closes all the loops. They don't have to think. Oh did we need to do anything more. They know what the next up sir and you could do the finale. You can follow up with finale in an email later. So as long as you're just you're closing everybody's mental tubes could that is super interesting initially three things. I want to ask but what's been watching old movies. The old movies movies for my childhood so from the eighty s and ninety s with my son. While we're locked up. And it's funny because the removes the last ten years. They opened up and they go straight into it and then then nobody will go. And there's no credits opening song or anything like that and the older movies all have the and he's so bored in the first three minutes in the movies one is it gonna start and it sounds like we were used to meetings that. Have that format and you're dead opening. Bang which is like what have movies have evolved over the last twenty years because attention has evolved. Because there's more data for us the Equality levels are higher. So that's the same with meetings. There's more needs of on our time. We require higher quality in our meetings. So you about the the big bang at the end of the meeting and getting to that conclusion. Sometimes i've had meetings where we don't get that. But i still thought it was a decent meeting because we elicited the problem better. We brought out visionary. Brian disagreements or unearth assumptions. That were wrong. Is that still useful from this perspective. I sell from this perspective. I wanna actually take a step that further and talk about who are we ultimately doing it for world to doing it for our customers so the question then becomes is it would the customer if they were looking in on at that session and seeing what you were up to would they feel that. Their money was invested. Well okay as sam walton says our number one bosses that customer and he'll fire s whenever or she he she or they will fire when we don't want to win work it and every single meeting that we have is an investment of our customers time and money. That is so good. I'm random glad you're writing down. He's got of quips this section. So what if we not workshop and we are running just like a fifteen minute stand up to the same rules apply or do we take a different approach. The same approach applies. If you wanna make it stand out do the same rules. Apply of course not. There's a lighter investment absolutely. You're not going to be like okay. Everybody what we're here to do is talk about what's coming up that what we did and where we're going and readjust say that every time however you're gonna if if i'm what i told my scrum masters is. They are setting the energetic pace for the day. If they're doing a fifteen minute huddle and they get to just hold their group in that space in that energy with again whether it's in person or online the way they speak the way they're getting to the point and the way they're respecting everybody's time and hey good morning let's get right to it. You know we know what to do. let's go. is there anything. That's in the way before we get to it. That's your start of. Hey we have five minutes left at can't do we need to shift anything around or does anything to change. Okay there we go and that all right. This was great great conversation. We really work through that piece that that was really good conversation. We needed to have that and it was really good that everybody was here so boom you just closed it and now we know where we're going. I feel like i wanna to be in all of your meetings. More mind case it. But what if everything's going wrong or what if you just not feeling it like if your nervous or you just Actually your Unsure about it. Like what can you do in that. Social situation or justice People kind of sabotaging it in the energy does fill wrong. Well the first thing. I want to go back to is as i said setting that context. We we wanna know what we're going towards because if you're nervous and you're not sure what you're going towards than that nervousness caz all the feeling the world to get take over your whole being and when we're clear on what we wanna create then that nervousness we can put that in the corner say okay. We'll get to that later and focus on the greater good now the other pieces when you're getting clear at the beginning you start asking yourself questions like what's going to get in the way of that success so what will get in the way maybe going down a rabbit hole. Maybe me being nervous. What can i do when i start feeling nervous. How will i know. I'm starting to feel nervous on. what can i do. okay. I know. I get nervous because my hands. Start fidgeting and my shoulders get ten. Okay what can i do. I remember what i'm here for. Or i can ask somebody a question so that i can regroup so you do that beforehand so you are clear and again the bigger the meeting. That's where you do more of this investment and overtime evening fifteen minute meetings you start feeling you start getting them for yourself. I actually in the book row watch movies because you start to understand how you feel if you watch movies with the intention of okay when when this is invoking nervousness. When i'm watching a horror movie i'm nervous. What happens to me okay. Now now that. I know what happens to me. I can know in a meeting. Oh wait this. Is that nervousness. This is oh i got it. Okay now let me go back to what i'm here to create because what i'm here to create is bigger than my my own mental speak. So that's the second thing you can do is to ask the questions. Hey how do you think this is going. Ask the questions and again. You're you're out to create something. You're not out to validate yourself. Your validation comes somewhere else but here. You're creating something so ask them what's going on here. What are we missing. Just tried to negotiate and figure out what it is that tried to try to have the group figure that out. Or if there's somebody that's really dominating take a break. Have a conversation with them pay. What's going on. Hey can you help me asking someone to help. You is like this magical thing because people. Jim are actually very generous with helping others. Even if they kind of hate you if you ask them to you know up you. I've seen this so many times in my life at like. Whoa yes oh okay so speaking of difficult people you know. This is obviously not referring to people like lillian myself. Assists never come up adver but for people who aren't naturally very good at this people who start off a dominating meetings and and just not foster a good environment. Is this something that they can learn if you seen people really change or is this something. That's in the. Do you have to have a obviously. You can refine it but you have to have a natural aptitude for being a facilitator. I've the greatest story for that. Because in my book. I talk about jack. And marianna and check was actually modeled. After someone he was modeled after leader. Who i am you know. I went into his meetings at his job was cutting it was cutting paper. He so tense. Nobody was focused and he had this history of yelling at people. He i i one hundred percent. When i went back to jack it was all him and then the sad thing is that by the time i actually released the book and had given the less copy of my manuscript ow i went to one of his meetings and he had become a mariana mariana. Is that facilitator who is able to get engaged engagement who is able to get collaboration and facility really great sessions. So how did he change. Is it something that you have to want to or there are certain things besides that. Are there things that you need to try. How do you do it. Might theory now remember. I believe everybody's in groupie everybody is above average. They're the people who are the superstars. So mike theory is that he did not have invisible leaders facilitating his growth though because there was somebody who left analysts letting it then he became this incredible at a i was floored. By how mazing he became as a leader and an emotional. So like i got tears in my eyes a beautiful so i don't. I don't think there's an inclination. I think we all naturally want to lead and see great results. It's the environment and it's it's returning to that space of i'm here to create something and so are the people around me and i can make it easier for them and if you if you're mastering this if during facilitation while it's it's a really kind of it can be quite demanding brought within the meeting. So can you facilitate something and participate. Same time and do both well. Of course you can. I think exposing your biased is one of the first things that you get to make. Sure everybody knows about. Because i i've taught scrum masters where team members how they're going to facilitate their group and also do the work. So they're able to do it however they get to they get to meet with their group and say look i'm gonna facilitators and you know how passionate get here. So what can we do about it. Because i'm not. I'm not your facilitator anyway. I'm i'm somebody who wants to go with. Aws said not with la than it's calling out those biases. it's also. I would even say giving some of it back to the team again to help facilitate so i'm going to get us again being that person leading saying i'm gonna be doing the work as well so who can help me time. Keep who can help us. Stay on track. Who will make sure that we get everything on the parking lot. And we've talked about kind of holding space. So is there anything physically when we are back in rooms together. Is there anything physically we can do. That really sets the tone for the meeting. Yeah i actually don't even think it's physical. I think you can do it remotely in everyone of my standups. I stand up because people feel it. In fact there's been a few moments. And if you don't mind i don't wanna stand up here and talk because the energies different when i'm standing up. The energy moves the energy changes. There's a bigger space and i. I'm able to move and listen to you more. And i'm able to be a lot more passionate and Me everybody else has their own version. But standing up and standing powerfully makes a difference one of one of the very first interviews. We ever did for this podcast with someone who gave us the advice of stand up to present. Sit down to participate. That's powerful. yes that's a good one and that he was without ben there was. There was been newell. Burt that i was like okay. So we've been talking about invisible leadership and how that manifests in in facilitating meetings. But when is the time when you have to step into visible leadership. yeah actually. I had a leader. Someone read my book and he said elena. The title of your book is a disaster. He said leadership needs to be visible and absolutely leader's ship needs to be visible setting. The tone is is something that's very visible. However if you want your team to arrive and to do their very best and we're talking about facilitation making things easier. It's a lot easier when you get out of their way. And you you serve them they want. We have servant. Leadership is a buzzword for a reason and so this is this is actually even just removing that visibility so that they just you create the bubble you create the environment. So they do their best. Yeah that's pretty cool okay. We've got time for one more question. Sadly company we've run out of time already. It's gone so quick just before we started recording. This you asked man randy. How will we know. We've had a successful mating aka podcast recording. Having say i'm gonna ask you. The question of the fell like this has been a successful Too i feel like this has been a successful meeting. I think our listeners find out so whoever's listening with was this a powerful use of your mind did you learn anything. 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Portrait Of: Elizabeth Acevedo

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Portrait Of: Elizabeth Acevedo

"Support for NPR and the following message come from Chapman university, located in the hub of southern California's, thriving industries, and designated as a high research activity institution, Chapman university, here to inspire achievement at Chapman dot EDU slash NPR. And so I have three audio books on there. My boat and I didn't even know that was a possibility. And so they were like, oh, yeah, we're going to start auditioning people for with the poet ex. And I'm like, wait this night for what? Like I'm right here. From NPR and Fukuda media. It's lacking USA Jane pasta today of portrait of Elizabeth is available. The slam poetry champion and breakout young adult author. Elizabeth NASA though is a poet and award winning author who's the daughter of Dominican immigrants per love of language and storytelling started in her. Parents home in New York City, where she would hear them telling stories about her family's experience in the Dominican Republic. And as she got older Elizabeth, I survey, though was inspired to share her own experiences her debut young adult novel. The poet eggs reveals the struggles of a Dominican teenager CO Mata, who's growing up in Harlem, New York City, and fuels constrained by her religious mother in it. It's your mother uses slam poetry to find her voice. The story resonated with young women around the country, but before Elizabeth us became a novelist. She performed slam poetry much like her character. She'll Mata tells me to fix. She means Rayton she means what in Elizabeth's vibrant, performances often highlighted, the complexities of afro, nothing, Yvette and gained her. The title of national poetry slam champion in two thousand fourteen this may Elizabeth released her second novel with the fire on high about a young Africa. Tina who dreams of becoming a chef Elizabeth the joins me in the studio to talk about her childhood, how storytelling became an important part of her life, and her latest work. Oh, and a heads up that this interview contains a curse word, which we've bleeped. Elizabeth? You so much for joining me on the USA. Thank you so much for having me media, you have made your life into a life of words both in poetry and in novel form. And I'm just wondering if you can take me to your life here in New York City. What are you identifying as are? You're like I'm young Dominican. I'm a New Yorker. He Megan is. I don't think I had the language for intersections. I always knew that. No one word felt right? But I think Dominican and that would be my initial answer until I went to the Dominican Republic. Right. And then I was the green cousin and my Spanish wasn't quite perfect. And there were certain terms are artists. I didn't know. And so I did kind of feel like in my neighborhood I, I knew who I was. But I also knew that I was a little bit of part at times, and never felt fully belonging in the spaces that I was in, but Dominican first, and then I think, as I as I learned more history. He is. I got a better sense of my pass afro Dominican and was really trying to reclaim a sense of blackness that I felt like had been erased in always New Yorker. I like but when you're in New York, you don't have to say that everyone's from there. So you like to say that you come from a family of storytellers. So what were the stories that you were hearing as a child and were, they all talked stories that you were hearing or were some of those actually read to you literature was big, and my family. My father bought two newspapers every single day. My mother is always reading about, like homeopathic remedies and the bible, which was really big in my household, but most of the stories I heard, they were oral. My father is in talk a lot, about his family, or his pass, but he always has a barbershop. He wants to share that. The always gets the timing perfectly for my grandfather, had a third grade education used to drive oxygen in the Dominican Republic. So very much, you know of the land compassi. No, but he knew these long riddles twenty thirty minutes long. Right. And he would just recite them off the top of his head without missing a beat. But it was really my mother, who was the one who told stories. I didn't grow up with a lot of Disney. We had to Disney movies in the house, I didn't grow up watching a lot of what we consider fairy tales in this country. But my mother loved talking about where she was from. And so, I learned the stories abou- when she wrote a Jaguar that she wasn't supposed to ride and fell off and the Jaguar ran off. And she knew that she was going to get in trouble with her father. I we need to say because I know what a giveaway. There may be a lot of people don't know what is gig is. So what is the gateway a mayor? My grandfather had one single horse that my mother decided to ride one day and, and it was a mess because she did not know how to write it. Well, and, and it got spooked and she fell off and the Jaguar left with what she was supposed to have picked up at the little gold model and so she didn't take dinner. She lost the horse and she fell and like hurt herself. So it was a hot mess, but it was these stories of a place. I had never seen that. My mother painted vividly and painted her adventures. And I think she took a lot from reciting those memories. But I don't know that she knew how much she instilled in me. This love of stories. And so when you're hearing, these stories about mayors and horses. But you're like in Morningside. Right. Like the subways down the street. You got the train you got, you know, Morningside park. How was that processing your mind? I think if like this is, who I am of, and this is where I'm of this is this is in me. I was also a kid who would go on the, you know, the fire escape and try to plant tomato seeds and see if I could grow things who when we would go to the park, you know, I loved rolling down the hills. I love getting dirty like I felt like I tried to get us close to this idea of land of place of, of being from somewhere that, that is in your blood. And so when she would tell me these stories, I think I saw it there was less distance than I would. Imagine a lot of kids would have like it was a collapse of. Okay. Yes. That is where my people come from. And when I return, I think I will know that. So the storytelling is definitely kind of imbued in you for you. When did it go from these? Incredibly colorful stories of life in the DR and memories, too. I'm going to put those down into poetry. I think it was music. The mother would tell me all these stories and my father would label Edel. It's. My brothers were really big into hip hop. It was in hip hop that I kind of heard things that felt familiar that felt like my neighborhood that felt like people, I knew, but sold in a very particular form and so early on. I had this neighbor them. Mother would leave me with when we needed a babysitter. And I think to try to get me out of her hair, she would have me sing to her plants and she's like, no, it's going to help them grow like just go ahead and sing those songs, and I would make of all these little songs for the plans. And I'll go back the next day. Now, it'd be so mad that I couldn't remember them, and I was like one day, I'm going to know how to write. And when I know how to write I'm going to make sure that I put these words out, so I can look at them the next day. So I don't keep forgetting. And then I realized I didn't sing. Well, like I, I wasn't let my talent what, and what am I will their brothers? Let me know. Like this might not be it. And so I began rapping at the age of like ten, and so while it was definitely poetry and lyrical music, there's always been a narrative bent to what I write. There's always been a desire to include character in setting that I would say, I move less into lyric than I do into narrative, but what were you thinking in terms of when you're leaving high school and going into college where you already like I'm a writer? I'm a poet or were you still trying to find out what you were going to do? I knew that I wanted to perform poetry, which even at that stage in my life, I wasn't sure. If I was calling myself a poet, if it still felt like poetry was felt different than what I what I was making that I still wanted my work to be heard. I still felt like I needed to be in the room to translate, what I wrote to have people see my body as I manifested the language. So I wanted a program where I could. Due theater, but also creative writing in some type of one woman show in that capacity. And I knew that I graduated from my undergrad with performing arts major in two thousand ten as I applied for my MFA and, and listen, I was very determined in that program, I was gonna leave with a project, and I was writing fiction. I wrote three manuscripts on the side because I was in a program for poetry. So I never workshop any of that. No one ever saw any of that work. It was just me riding on the metro to win from class. And in between grading and then I was also working on my first manuscript of poetry. And when I left the program, you know, I have these four projects under my belt. And so I just started shopping them around and started performing again. And thankfully, I I sold my first novel a year later, but I had been torn that entire year after graduating, I was on the road doing a hundred shows a year at colleges with my poems. I would get on stage into an hour of combs every. Single night for I mean, over one third of the year, I was on the road. But what was the part about being on the road and performing and doing your poetry live? What was that, infusing into you from, you know, when you were like, writing writing writing, and now you're on stage doing your work? I think I love the human connection the moment where you see someone nodding or someone crying or someone laugh, right. And just that connection of although I may have been alone when I wrote, this and may have been feeling alone in the actual sentiment of the poem like it is this moment of humanity. That is the point. Right. It's the acknowledgement of the wound needs a witness, and like I see yours. But also, I expose myself so that you can see mine. Afro Latina got me knock on Migo salsa. Swagger, anywhere. She go, KOMO. Line egg in it. I soon God dance to the rhythm beat the drums of my skin. And I think I loved very early on. You know, I grew up with a lot of shame, as I think a lot of young women do. And particularly if you're raised within certain religious identities that have a sense of anything you do that is about pleasure about your body is wrong, and you are bad, and you are evil for that had so much shame and to stand in front of audiences and stare that shame in the face. And tell people look at me. Afro descendant, the rhythms within the first language. I spoke was Spanish learn from lullabies whispered in my ear my parents tongue was a gift which I quickly forgot after realizing my peers did not understand it. They did not understand me. So I reject that. I'll be twenty nine mongo much, preferring happy, meals, and big Macs. Straightening, my hair and imitation Barbie, I was embarrassed by my grandmother's colorful starts, and my mother's broke England which. My pride when she spoke. Coming up on let the USA with the fire on high. We talk more about Elizabeth survey. Those new novel, that's coming up. Stay with us. Not the right. Yes. Jesse thorn, Timothy Simon's played Jona Ryan on HBO's veep on a show known for its insults has anybody got more of them than Jona, if the cruelty registered our show would be an hour and fifteen minutes long because every scene would be like excuse me. You can't speak to me that way this week on bullseye from maximum fun dot org and NPR. He we're back and we're gonna continue our conversation now with author and poet Elizabeth us available. In twenty eight teen. Elizabeth released her debut young adult novel, the poet, X, the novel became a New York Times bestseller, and received multiple awards, including the national book ward, the poet, X follows about these a young poet and the novel unfold through a series of poems, written by the character. The characters yomata she's quite powerful. And I'm wondering if you can read from the book, the poet, X the poem names. Sure names. I'm the only one in the family without a biblical name. Seal Mata isn't even mimicking I know because I Google, it means one who is ready for war and truth be told that description is about, right. Because I even tried to come into the world in a fighting stance feet, I had to be cut out of mommy after she'd given birth to my twin brother executive, you're just fine and my name, Labor's out of some people's miles in that same awkward in painful way until I have to slowly say see all Mada. Learn not to flinch the first day of school as teachers guest stupid trying to figure it out. Mommy, says, she thought it was a saint's name gave me this gift of battle, and our curses how well I live up to it. My parents probably wanted a girl who would sit in the pews wherein pretty Floros and a soft smile. They got combat boots. And a mouth that silent until it's sharp as in island, machete. The novel the poet, X is about Humira. She's a Dominican teenager from Harlem that uses slam poetry to express herself. She feels constrained by her mom wants her to obey the laws of the church. So I'm kind of feeling like Elizabeth us though is this is in about you. I mean it's not all about you. But is it based on your life? I got this often if I'm others listening, absolutely not. But still be just say. There are things I gave to this character that our mind this fear of being hyper visible to the men on the block who, who called out to me, who made me feel like a thing who objectified me, but also this community. I loved, but also these questions that I had. But the premise of the story was very fictional. I don't know where that line is right. That it's not the veiled auto biography. I did not have the relationship with my mother that this character has with her mother. I was able to ask my piece questions and I didn't get in the way that she did. I was never punished. How she was. So I guess I'm saying, I don't know money. I don't know where that line goes. I think there are some things that were mine that I gave. And then there are some things that for the sake of the story were necessary that I did not shy away from saying, well that wasn't exactly true or that happened to me, it was like, no, this is a story and it's happening to her. And this. Her relationship with her best friend and her brother in this boy, who she likes. And so I don't know. I think some pieces, some pieces are based on me and some pieces are students that I taught are my best friends are my cousins are, you know, be he does that I knew in the neighborhood. You know, it's a compilation of things in places in people. So you're newest novel is out now. It's called with the fire on high. It's got a beautiful cover of an afro Latina, and lots of fruit, all around her hair with big hoops. But what's the story about this was a fun project for me? I am really interested in magical realism, and how do we bring magic into fiction. And when I was teaching I had several students who were teen mothers and in literature for young people, you find that their stories about whether or not young people will have a baby, right? Like they'll be those stories of Wilshire won't she get an abortion. What kind of decision is she going to make? But very rarely do you find stories that are interested in what happens after. That kind of decision. And what happens to parents who are young? And so for me, I was fascinated by not writing a tragedy when it came to a young mother, when it came to a teen mom. How do I give a character hope and love in a community that, that is holding her up? And that the one thing she is trying to conquer our own fear that she is not allowed to follow her dreams because of a choice that she made when she was fourteen and so it's the story of money, Santiago, who is an afro Puerto Rican senior in high school. She lives in Philadelphia, and she wants to be a chef, and that's our connection to her to her linear as connections who her mother's side, who is black American from North Carolina. Her father's side, who is Africa Rican, and, and her food has magic. And so I love pitching the story as water for chocolate. But in the hood. Right. You eat something that she makes and it brings up all these feelings and all these memories, and you have a sense of who she is when she is making nine she's telling you story through her food, but because of the circumstances that she comes from, she doesn't think she's allowed to, to follow this incredible talent in this gift, honestly. And so I just had a lot of fun playing around with the different constraints of what has been done within magical realism within teen mother stories within hood stories and, and just kind of throw it all in the air and say, no, there's triumph fear. So there's a beautiful passage in the book, it's called catharsis. And I'm wondering if you could set us up and then read that little segment. Sure, so Imani often cooks when she's upset. And this is a way for her to, to get things out. And so this is just a quick passage, where Mani has had something happened in school that she is trying to come. Terms with but doesn't really know how to process. And so she turns to cooking as a way to kind of put her feeling somewhere to make something beautiful out of what doesn't feel like there's a formula for or an easy recipe within her life. And so this is Dr SIS. Comes into the kitchen and turns on the radio the sound of Mark Anthony, wailing alongside and orchestra fills the kitchen. I would wrap my soul in a both and sell it with the quickness to be able to cook for Mark Anthony, that man can sing whale up pulls out the herbs as she gets the wreck From Compass pulled Areco and says, some on the counter the sweet-smelling year by winner, the Caribbean Oregon. Oh, she hands me the knives before I asked for them cleans, the cutting board before I realized I need it rinse some days when my feelings are like this, like a full of water with the fire on high. I don't know what to cook plans and ideas escaped my mind and instead I let my heart and hands take control guided by voice on the inside that tells me what goes where. There's something in your work that really communicates to women to Latinas to afro Latinas. This profound sense of self love. I appreciate that. I, I hope that comes through. I don't know that they're enough stories that deal with characters like the ones I'm writing with offer Latinas with blackout actors with queer characters with Latinas that, that are writing tenderly towards us or would generosity or with a deep sense of like I love you, like if you're reading this, like, I love you and I hope you feel that love on this page, even even with the characters that are quote unquote antagonists, like I love the mother character in the poet ex. And I and I tried to make her as input thank as I could as she is a hard character, but there's so much fear there. And I look at that character, and I know her, I know a mother, who is afraid of the country. She has moved to and does not w-. Want to lose her daughter to what she sees as all of the things that could lead her astray and Mike? How could you not feel for that? And so, I think I hope that there is a message of self love and also like that you are loved in these pages. So Elizabeth the wood, are you working on now. So I just turned in my third novel manuscript. It is the story of two sisters who don't know about each other one lives in New York City. One lives in the Dominican Republic, and their father dies in a plane crash. And one of them inherent grievance money from the airline, and that's when they learn right. Because this all of a sudden financial circumstances have changed with the passing of their father. And so it's this story that is very loosely based on a flight that fell in two thousand and one in November. And we're losing coach the yes, that fell in Queen invited. Yeah. No, I covered that story. Right. And this plane, the smarting went down. In Queens, New York just literally two or three minutes after taking off from JFK airport near New York City, and I was struck. I mean I was I was probably in eighth grade. But I just remember that moment of, you know, this flight full of Dominicans going home and the vibration throughout the entire community in New York of everyone knew someone on that flight and soul. The third novel is called clap when you land. Oh, I love that title. I just landed last week in the D R, and while we lend it into so you know, it's a tourist mom, and it was like, no one's club. I know it's so sad. It's so sad. It happens less and less these days. But that's the third manuscript that was just accepted for publication. And I'm always working on a collection of poetry, so I have an adult collection that I've been trying to finalize for years now that, that is in the works. But I also don't know you know, like this book was awarded so many prizes that, that were really exciting and at the same time, make me really scared. Because it it's this moment of. How do you keep writing what feels really honest? When folks might just want this one kind of story from you and this thing that I wrote in secret when no one was looking for me, or check in for stuff or no one who I was in that capacity of, of a novelist. That that's never gonna happen again the now folks are comparing everything I do to pass project. And so, I think. Coming to terms. Elizabeth ASA the thank you so much for joining me on that the USA, it's been a great pleasure, speaking with you so great talking with you. Thanks for having me. Elizabeth as is a Dominican American award winning author and New York Times bestseller. Her latest novel is with the fire on high. This episode was produced by Carolina gay and edited by the Camarena, the let the USA team includes knee and must. Yes. So if you have on yesterday, he though, Maggie freely jonoski, Moga and cereal with additional editing by Merlin. 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116: Half-Life 2 - Aristotle Acevedo (Fun With Gravity)

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116: Half-Life 2 - Aristotle Acevedo (Fun With Gravity)

"What's up guys? J Larsen from the podcast. Please go check out. The Koi pond with Joe Koi. I've N- how long have we known each other. This is going on fifteen years fifteen years one of the funniest guys in the game you poverty listen to but go get wet. Is that what people say. Go Get wet and also listened to the podcast. Ah I love you so much dude. I'll let me to one of the funniest in the game. So listen to star Burns audio or wherever you listen to podcasts. Go Rate Subscribe Review. The Koi pond with Joe. Coy Oy take is is key and the suggestion is this. New Player has joined hot guests but the V. Against People love and why they love them and today we are. We're year in like a cattle line. Yeah Yeah you're the hits you you're like Gilligan. Everyone Satan you over the head telling you pick up stuff but you're also smashing boxes in your scientists. You're you're you're you are the least assuming character like protagonist from a game maybe ever. Yeah no you look like a librarian or some some really do about half life Thailand half life to an amazing game I I mean we're here with aristotle. Hello Aristotle says hello. He's wearing black overall. Ah Guys Aerosol it looks like our our sweet little boy right now and he does you look you harvest tears lately which is perfect for this game because it is GonNa get you. Don't know half life to its valves amazing. First Person Shooter Puzzle Game You gotTa play it. Its groundbreaking breaking. It's terrific. We get into this episode. We get a pretty good secret out of Arizona. We really really really proud of them. kind of May or may not still the existing in the world Mullet does it definitely does because we have we have photographic evidence anyway sit back relax or scream agreem- the entire time we don't know he tried to scream in why that's out. I am when I'm on a treadmill rename. Why Mine and treadmill that's fair? Yeah what's Shumpert. Let's do it. This is new players. Joined it. He there we can. We just lead up to that all right. What do you not stop four four or do you want to say what what is going on? Keith Air Solitaire no I it was going on with us this. I hate twitter. Oh Yeah I'm done guys. I got off twitter like how many years ago many thousand thousand followers and I quit. I was like I'm sick of facebook. I'm sticking instagram. I got off of all of it because I had this podcast. I started over guys. I'm done yeah I'm I'm done. I want to get off twitter with making you hate twitter. Okay so man. Oh we're going to. We're going to go into it I yeah all right so so. Let's let's just clear there right now because most most of you this doesn't affect night and you're like no concept of what's going going on but you guys are like upset about twitter put on you. It'll detective caps figure out. Why are you going to be little? What I'm article is a big one? Big Detective Hat. People are nasty. Do like real -tective okay. But if you put on a way to begged detective then it's GonNa cover you're gonNA cover your entire face. Yeah you're just GONNA look like a dude with a bucket. I picture of cloth take just crawling with a giant hat. Exactly exactly please help murdered. Just just imagine a giant hat and their feet under it and then and one arm extends under the magnifying glass and puts it up to where the is would it be and you just you're muffled This is a Hanna. Barbera cartoon a tune. Yeah is it not absolutely a Hanna. Barbera cartoon okay. So I'm on the worst website ever known to man e bums world's man. That just took me back. I reached back for Alan now. I need to take a shower. We all need to take showers. Yeah that's just the hygienic. I just need to take a shower for our next to add take shower. Not even a company doesn't shamming. Do you like food. Isam the more you now. Okay so as you all now if you're listening to asset sale. We talked about the game. America's Army Propaganda Propaganda Organza game that even the people who made who were in the military. Or tell you. It's a propaganda game now. I've gotten some people might everyone I've got. I got a lot of positive messages. That's true that were like hey that was hard to probably talk about and discuss and you try to do. You're like due-diligence. Don't try to your asked about it. Even though I preemptively made a statement before talking about the episode people still got upset. Not everyone ships could the same people. I got a couple of messages. Got One person who's like genuinely like hates me. Yeah he's upset at me like Ah fifteen times or something and I've just nicely just been like. Hey I didn't mean any disrespect took any disrespect. I think the Games Propaganda Yada Yada Yada and he's messaging me and keeps tweeting Ami and this is where I'm like I don't know what to like. Just block them. I don't want to block any fans ERC because I just want to say ask. Another person messaged me who also served because these are people who served in the military and a couple of people message me and we're like hey we get where you're you're coming from and one person was like it might have been smart to like get a person who's actually served in the military to sit in on the episode and honestly from that standpoint of like what it's really like them it's at Military Scher but also we're talking about the video game but not like this. Isn't this supposed to be funny podcast. You'll find a person and have to be entertaining -taining and all this stuff or I can talk about a video game that I played and I'm talking about it from my perspective and I should be allowed to. Yeah so politely. I'm sorry if it offended you other side of me I don't care I don't care like I did my best to not offend. Anyone is the social the social media thing where whenever somebody's mad on social media I'm like I don't know what to tell you but maybe that's not my problem. I don't know what to do because I don't want people reading my twitter being keeps yelling at so you know what I mean. Like genuinely people can read tweets. And that's why I'm like I hate this Da. Yeah that's what you're worried about. I would recommend you no longer taking videos of you. Screaming at people posting it to twitter. It's hilarious it's very honourable male. He made a little career. I hi ED comedy show Biz. That is funny but other than that. I got a lot of great positive messages about the gay people didn't know about some people are like. Hey I got shown this in training but we all play arm instead and I'm like that's hilarious really. That's really funny. Army made a game and then they're doing like the Bill Gates thing where the like. Now you can use windows windows on it and you're like I'm gonNA find pirated I'm GONNA I'm GonNa go ahead and get like L. Cap or whatever it is. Yeah I don't know man in twitter. Sucks instagram's off facebook's the devil what what what do we do what do we do. I tell you you're on this on your show you. I haven't been talking on this time because I am coming from the other angle. What I mean I never get trolls? There's no I have no. I don't put anything out there for controls but I do follow Caucasian James. Go Follow Caucasian James. Because the whole area is like the most basic tweets ever read in my life making J. K.. Hey James this is. This is the shit about twitter that I hate people. Just get behind certain twitter personalities and literally tweet like I wish I had a girlfriend nine twenty thousand retweets and I'm like yeah. What the fuck is this shit like searching Caucasian Jane Against Somebody who's like funny successful zestful showroom just like we just back people and I don't know why it's so stupid and simple and he's GonNa get a TV deal he's GonNa get a book? That's what I'm saying sweaters. I'll tell you that got hot one. I'm reading it right now. All right I mean like that's the way I go on twitter for them and that's what makes twitter enjoyable for me. I'd be like some people and get on twitter and our fans are like. Hey they want to interact with us. And I'm totally down with that to talk about games or whatever ever tweet like bits or whatever. It's stuff where I'm dislike. I clearly don't want have an argument and I'm clearly not going to apologize. So what are we doing a and I spent so much time on that stupid fucking bird website trying to make good smart jokes for people and I did I did. It's an algorithm. Everything's everything's just an algorithm again picked up or whatever I mean all the viral tweets that go viral or people being like I have a one hundred followers and for some reason this one was the one was the one like one hundred thousand retweets man. My job isn't paying me enough. One hundred thousand. It's an interesting position to be into one. Have A podcast to love video games games in three despise the Internet. It's it's a weird juxtaposition is really bad it is very strange. Hey Keith yeah what are you playing back back up. No what am I playing. I'm playing USC. I'm just like addicted to punching people in the face over and over and over five dollars talk about the last episode. I don't think we did. It was five five dollars I got Jesse. See to get it and man I am not a fan of the sport but I enjoy creating a fighter at a nothing and making them look ridiculous. Yeah have you seen twitter. Jessie created a Ronald McDonald Meth at that his name is Duncan Dubois. Yeah and it was horrified. He has three huge Red Bowtie. Hi Tattoos one. That covers all of his chest when that covers most of his stomach and one that is clearly leading down to his groin. He has many other worst zoos. He also has a giant Koi fish fish tattooed all across his face tons of red hair and I am trash here boxer old. Here's here's here's the disconnect. I Land Combos. That would knock people out. Not Like Like Double Jab Cross Hook backup or I land all of them and the guys that kind of let's go and I'm like the fuck is this as you want and you go down. Yeah so what it is is games like if used too much stamina and you're tired and they hit you once you go down immediately hit that motherfucker occur in his jaw eighteen times in a row and the game. was you look tired. I looked tired. EULEX brain damage. Nothing's more horrifying in the game. Because I'm just a fighter because you can choose between unlike a wrestler and a fighter and so like I will always be winning and then the guy who just tackle me he's like I'm GonNa break your arm and like no no and I have to watch my character slowly arm broken as I don't know what to do to stop. Yeah yea so. I'm GonNa tell you my experience with this game. Yes I made this character character and and then let's see you fight the fucking warm up fight win. I tagged into this dude in his face. I fucking demolished his skull with my fists in my hand in there and he was just standing there like he was like he was a god. Autumn Steel Ruin Muffins constantly. The whole time. Oh my God aiming mad and then just go the distance and then round. Four guy has no stem. Somehow this guy has all of his salmon and his eyes are gone covered in blood he like. He is just like you. Looks like a fucking meat grinder. Went over his face and they're like man he's looking because he's got to say I'm so mad about this. Yeah Keith goes restarted a hand the controller order Keith. He wins in thirteen seconds. Doing the same shit. I was doing kicking kicking the shit out guy. I tried ride the first fight five times and I kicked him squarely in the temple and the jaw over and over at one point kicked him in the jaw landed and overhand right landed ended. A Hook landed another overhand right and the guy just stood up and he was like slightly tired. That's not how fighting works. You're going real life rules here and use. That's that's not gonNA do. You have that with hockey games where you're like. This isn't what the sport is actually like when you play them. The hockey game the most sports game a lot of you gave into this trap. They just make it unfair versus the game cheats. It's not like you can't. There's no skill based to it anymore at that point is literally really like. Oh we're just GONNA make it that your computer character can pick up the PUCK. Yeah like that stupid. Yeah and so this game they purposely make it harder order that you can knock somebody down. Yeah Yeah I don't like that because all the biggest fights in UFC history have lasted. Like thirty seconds. Yeah I mean yeah. And so when they're like mom and you tag them but he's resilient I'm like he's not fucking didn't Halloway whatever his name is he's like people go down and they should have everyone doesn't have great chins relax. People attached to go down. It's made me. I'd never found a fighting game a boxing game yet I've ever liked. I mean honestly I just don't even try to punches. I do Tornado. Kicks and Ridiculous Silas CA. You know yeah I jump off the fence and kick you in the face. Yeah like I. I'm that guy. Jesus and his name's like Brendan or some. I hate this about both of us because every time we play a sports game you create a character and I created character. My Hey guys sucks terrible. You make weird choices if I I in NBA. Five eight. Okay geared Out this was hard hit by eight here. I figured he would be more agile and it just turned out he wasn't he was just a known. Five eight is in the NBA. Okay well that's not in this game this one. I may just like a standard bill dude. who was built to be a striker funny and he just strikers power? You should be a brawler yet. You gotTA re pick your character. I hate pick a burger character. Was I wanNA make Wendy from. Wendy's should make that. Why should would you aren't talking aristotle guest of anything about so out of my range of like what? What I know is going over my head what are you talking about? UFC fighting it's being a game. I don't I never play. Sports Games. Ever ever watch a sports game Lucille Ball. Sure but never anything that tries to simulate real life in a way to me. It's like paintball. You're on a team team sport. I that's that's why I like over what I like to tell us what you're playing right now. Still they still send up the playstation. I know it said up. You haven't played anything new overwatch and not told us no because I have have to I. My station pluses expires batting But you spend all your money on my chemical romance tickets now you did you did did. And you're sitting here in a CO hidden camera shirt in the nosebleeds. Where are you know? They're they're good. Okay well that not at all. Tell us where they are. Are you just said specific morally. Good what do you mean. They're in a good spot. Okay okay cool. Yeah like financially in a good spot right now. That's yeah they're not settled success again anywhere on the. Here's what they're not subtle and they're not nosebleeds. In between six. Oh mezzanine a new. I don't know what they're called at the forum were they torn with just them on unannounced. I just them. Who Do you think they'll pick precinct? Hungary situation their districts. No Yeah Yeah maybe I I thought you meant that cat and everything was going to open for them. I couldn't think Jennifer Lawrence. That's her name. Jennifer Lawrence is GonNa ever learn the characters name. I couldn't remember the actual human beings name. What color are your nails? They're like a Sky Blue Dope. What happened what do you mean what happened? It's like Marge Simpson when he puts it next to is clown clown or homer not March Pants homer we're talking about Aristotle's microphone cover and his nails nails looking the exact same colors as homer Simpson's pants and skin. I'd even go. I'd say Maggie Bart's Maggie Maggie Maggie although are they all the same shade of blue. Are we all just saying the sands banging on my nerves players. Join the pack as the begins we will love and why say they love them yet. You guys get it you guys get it. We've got a fun guests today. Although he refuses to speak he doesn't want to talk. You know I just. Don't interrupt your guests. What are you talking about? What are you look? What can I tell you so? SHUT THE FUCK UP UTAH. Could you shut the fuck up and talk. Okay okay okay say some some. Moore's okay say some random words Jello Biafra came up on thing on instagram. I don't care say a word Yeah Jello Biafra hate this. I say don't ever say what made you say you went. When did you have a good computer only now? What how did you play this game? I played this game unplaced placed do. How did you play this year? We should be intro. Our guest I'm going to injure you know him as the producer of new players joined in literally. No no they're shows ever. Please welcome our good friend. I think he is back to the show. Hello and the era subtle. What game are we talking about that game? What's game to say it again here again? LYFT NAN wait. Are we talking about the expansions or are we just talking about the. I was going to ask you that. Asset you're asking me specifically not Jesse. Don't let him know specifically typically how you left me out. You love me on asking. You looked at Jesse luck was how I don't know Jesse's research I I played the I play. I beat if you guys WanNa talk about the expansions you can. I will calmly sit here and smile as though as though I was aristotle being guest on a podcast saying no words because I wanNA make sure we have to talk about the expansion because because I consider it all aw cannon yeah yeah the same story but is there is a time to get through. So that's why discussing so let's set the state chair said it half half-life the original game ends Gordon Freeman is has stopped an alien invasion from taking over Earth. And then what you are talking about about the plot and that does not fucking Mac does not matter all right well anyway story is amazing. It was the first game. Then they took the source engine. Yes this is the first time yeah. I didn't go to Canada to a hockey tournament so I could stay home and play counterstrike stores because you WanNa know why he they say when you shoot through glass shattered it shatters and you can like push your hand through it like. It's Oh my God. This is the first time go France. Oh valve creates half life two alongside the source engine which is like the first rowdy physics based engine that creates it's physics based Games basic. So they took their massive massive game. They're massive first person puzzle game like we're releasing it on their new engine. Yeah and I swear to God guys when you when you play this game and you're like oh I'm going to have an experience because this game is part Hart movie yeah. Part philosophy and part time travel science fiction derail lake. It's it's gotta not a lot. It's a deep fucking gain dog in it. It does draw. Can't imagine the jump from playing half-life too because I didn't play half-life when you cry you get half life to graphically Oh yeah game. I was playing half life and all the expansions for now playing counter. Strike one point six so when this came out it's like final fantasy seven remastered coming off. Everybody it's like that if they were like. Hey the remastered coming out next week. You're going to be like why don't do anything anything other than fuck around this engine. Yeah basically team fortress two was gonNA come out like all these big massive game out because of this so the plot that it's you don't understand so pointed at I brought up like when did you have a good. Pc Oh I well see. I originally played it when he came on. xbox played it on on the Mac before this religious play the our swan. He played it on X.. Box what do you want. What do you want get an episode? What do you want to do? So you're you're you're you're following up with I beat it on PC after xbox what makes sure that no one comes with pitchforks. We talk we'll only because the expansions weren't available double next like like the Solo because you have X.. Oh you didn't have the right about the orange box on my Mac God ater got it. So what was your experience playing the first time because he never. Did you look up videos. You know why is what was it. Like vaguely knew what it was. I had seen her on x play. My favorite show is growing growing up as a kid. Adam Sandler and Morgan Webb. And you take. We're taking those shots shoutouts back. Keep shouting shout outs. Or more leases. They don't even really do it anymore. Utopia told people to follow a dude with one million followers to followers followers. God wholesomeness not. It's awesome it's it's fine it's fine anyways it's A beautiful game remember. Take us the first seen. What is it? What's going on you? I don't think you come out of a Puerto and you just kind of wake up in the metro station. Gary Drams scary dude stock into the G. Man Gene and he's talking to you and he starts to walk away and it goes. There's like translucent. And then you appear on a train. Now you're on a tram started. Yeah Oh yeah and then you walk out into the city or I mean I'm skipping ahead a little bit we have to walk through the training militarize basically your a criminal or they treat you like a criminal. I thought you you're still distant civilian. You're walking around. They look at you trying to take it through. People don't know what this is. Walk you through you get off the train. In your in a post apocalyptic city where there are police who were wearing masks. Who Hate you? They were very clearly a second class citizen to them like cattle. Yeah like the first thing one of the first. I think the game does you and actually this is the thing that half life two dozen amazingly they have taught us anything. I was just thinking of that because the first thing that happens is a police officer her with his club. Knox a cannon goes pick that up and you're like I can and you can pick it up and you can also throw it up the car which I do ran away years airships so they imagine you die immediately right now latest hit you buy online but that is like the game teaches you. Hey here's how we interact. Interact with stuff and it does this on a number of levels but this is the first one yeah where they start to introduce you to the physics of the source engine very first few minutes of the game but they show right the bad. This is not a good place. Everything is like caged in bed. You see this dictator esque figure on the the huge split again. You can pick up bricks and throw there and pick up things it keeps them around and it's not just that it's like if you can move it you can move it into another object that will then react correctly if you you throw a brick at a paint can the paint can will fall off the show you at the beginning of the game. You're like well it's Kinda interesting or whatever cool and then you're like you don't get what they're hinting at eater. Yes that's that's where I was. I had the benefit and disservice. I suppose of knowing about the gravity gun like before even playing the the new. I can't wait to get here. Yeah because all I ever saw was Skipping ahead quite a bit was videos of people picking up boxes and stuff people well the saws because there's man blade. Oh yeah he can hit them through. And that's also a great. That's another another invisible tutorial moment where you walk and you see a saw blade. That's cut Zombie and half you see two saw blades that are blocking a walkway. You gotta move them and as soon as you pick one up. Zombie hove's arranger view. And you're like Oh shoot and just chuck it out of there before we get any of that. What's going on what's going on? We don't know what's going on Morgan. Where do they do Gordon Forward Award and I call him? Morgan Freeman all the time. What's going on with Morgan Freeman? And that game would have been so much and also Morgan spurlock. He's still doing all the McDonalds. I think he just did another McDonald's thing he should find something else. Yeah I from what I can recall. Yeah he's been gone for a long time two board just happy to see him again. Yeah and I don't remember anybody else's names but this will be great. Does this is GonNa be fun quiz. Don't remember anybody's name but like so what happens. is a soldier grabs you and bring you to this rooms hallway. Essentially he's like the hallway is where they just take people beat the fuck out of them or kill them to get information out of them. They hint that they're gonNA kick the crap out of you this so this like police officer soldier is like hey leave the room kick the show this guy myself. There's a resistance in the city that's is trying to You know trying to take back. The city from the alien and partially human agents that are occupying it. And this is who you are. You're one one of the people who may be part of the resistance. He saw children of Man. It's this is what it is literally time. I wanted to say they never show show Gordon but it is it is clive. Owen yeah it was The whole time I watch children of Man I stood up. Nobody knew that I was talking about. I was like this fucking half-life yeah we're like what's this half life they stole it. It's a movie. You love that scene in half life where Gordon is carrying a baby and so nobody attacked so you get digging in this room. What else pulls the mask off old friend? Yeah I guess that his name Morgan Freeman. Yeah Yeah it's Morgan. Morgan Freeman takes the mask up. It's not isn't it. This is going to be. My favorite is a police officer from blue shift. Isn't it yeah. I don't remember his name. It's not aristotle right now. It's not I remember that I I would hope. So what is essentially. You're in this town then. Town is clearly just surrounded by soldiers. Police officers used to be there. And you're sneaking through and they're trying to get you through to get out of the town so you don't see your scientists French remember the scientists rents name now now doctor doctor Doctor Doctor Dare I say Dr who Dr Not. That's not Accurate that's not accurate. What happens? Remember what they're working on specifically transporter transports jaw. Aw thought that just said pull switches and move some tubes around and plug them in at a puzzle so the teleport or works what you accidentally go to like you go and see the president residents or whatever the guy who's like running the city and he's talking to the aliens like trust me I know. Is that Gordon Freeman behind. And you like disappear like it's a very very weird. It's the worst thing that could happen. Here's here's what's actually going on the G. Man a guy we don't understand. Takes you out of stasis which is just some kind of sleep sleep that you are involuntarily in. Put you on the tram in the city. That's been taken over by aliens with this human guy who's leading the charge your like we gotta stop as we gotta get Outta a year. Let's put you in this portal thing. Whoops accidentally showed the President Guy that you're alive in here he's GonNa WanNa see you now and then you come back like well? Fuck yeah now things these are boned incredibly. And then. That's when they give you your gun right they give you the gravity gun. But who do you meet the characters if you you mean. You don't know her name. Her Games coming out. You heard that you pay close to this episode. You've tanked it for everyone. I filled it trolls. Also coming man my man just repeating what you say now. I'm literally just echoing Keith. Whenever he gets mad at you this episode? And it's going to be very funny you don't get the gravity gun I get it I and a Crowbar Crowbar and one of the most iconic weapons in video games crowbar they They played tested tested. It and a lot of played a lot of people who played originally like she got the Crowbar. While you're in the lab because it'd be fun to smash a bunch of stuff and it's like across the board every play testers said that and then they and then they played it out the way they wanted to wear the guy you know he drops it to you and it's a psychotic moment everybody's like yeah you know what never mind. We're fucking stupid stupid. This is a great moment but yeah crowbars iconic so now we've gone full half life original right. You've got got your crowbar. Now you're puzzle puzzle solving with the physics engine. That is the source engine and all of its physics. You're bashing boxes. You're finding stuff this the whole game. You're basically escaping. Yeah the whole game is just. You're on the run. Gods like the whole point so the whole point is they need to get Gordon out of the city. That's like the whole points you go through these tunnels you're going through all these holes or whatever and Alex that's her name who else and who else. I don't remember his name either. But what are their relation. What are their relations to each other? How few stroke that Mike like that one more time and aristotle is like a key at like a kitty cat around that that part flute? I walked in today and I told you both I had the the strike of fear in me that I realized immediately I didn't doing research so Alex and her father a doctor. Okay and then who else. WHO's with WHO PROTECTS ALEX at all times times a giant robot dog giant robot? That's name dog that used to be like a small thing that's always protected her and they've Kinda just added onto Finland and it's like basically a transformer is a labrador envision. It's an adorable fund. Care a fun thing that we've talked about this whole all time. What's going on because the plot of the game isn't told through cut scenes? It's sold through in game experiences. Some people have called Diet cut scenes which games like the last of us then went on to use to great effect where there's dialogue happening as you're moving around in exploring and you can choose to be a part of it however you want it's great storytelling. It's really really impressive. Stuff like the script is subtle and immersive going back to like even dog with. What's the first thing they make you do aristotle? Oh Yeah did they have you To fetch with me you play. Fetch like he comes. It's hilarious thing where they keep trying to find bigger and bigger items you chuck and for dog to bring back to you you to the corner like he I think he tries Riccar. He like shares. He'd throw a car but there's also porn he tried to take off something even bigger like yell at the dog and this is again invisible tutorial so the game is now immersing you. In this crazy post apocalyptic children of men worlds. You have great characters. That are showing up scripts. It's well written physics source engines amazing and now. They're teaching how to use the gravity gun. They're teaching you interact with your environment. It's fucking mask and one of my favorite enemies in any video. The game is a little helicopter. Oh yeah knives spin things talking about drones but I hate them. I love. I love them because you can hear ear them coming. You can hear them scraping against walls like it's getting on teen thing that I'm like. Oh God they're coming and like you can feel them in here them. So if you're like in tunnels trying to get away. Hey I like in holes and also you can just hear like five drones coming towards you and they're trying to cut you to death do we. How do we feel like bioshock? Those off the whistle drone things. There's a lot of blurring. Yes not a bad thing. If they did something to notice I feel like bioshock. Got that idea from this game. I would've against on thing that they played with. Yeah but I never felt a correlation. Maybe maybe rip off too strong but like when I see the bioshock. Ah Drones and then I see the half drums. I'm like Oh they. This is where they drones and bioshock remind me of centuries more than these because he just fly towards yeah century probably played this. This'll be cool but I don't even I wouldn't necessarily give half life to the credit of thinking. Yeah that's true in a test drive. It goes back further anyway. It's a good game and so for you guys. Where does the gravity gun stand? End In like the Pantheon of video game weapons. Well it depends. Are we talking about when it's normal. We're talking about when it souped up. I either way either either way because it's the most overpowered weapon in the world when it it kills people with energy makes you disintegrate things. You anything really really really satisfying about grabbing some a person who is shooting at you with the gun and huck ended up shooting. Also just the fact that it's like you can take a lead pipe and shoot it at you can do anything. They can throw grenades at you and you can pick it up and shoot it back at them and saying it's very very satisfying spur awarding. The whole point is just to show off how well their engine is gravity. And everything like that. 'cause they even had a popular game called Gary's Maude where it's just you fuck around with the engine. Sandbox the truce. So you with Alex. Alex says peace. Alex is kind of like the hints love interests that you never are fully explored thoroughly Laura. But it's clearly there she's like you know it's like you're Indiana Jones. Yeah a little bit. And she's super awesome super cool character but she just never around yeah essentially And so what this game is is it turns into an action movie movie like every once in a while because the point where you're escaping from the city and you go get into what you get onto a Jetski. Oh it's an air boat. An air boat. Yeah right right in the Louisiana Air Boat as a helicopter chases you. You're going off. Jumps and things like the graphics for this. Although a little sparse compared compared to games nowadays the graphics still hold up yet a water still owe it sells gracing. The game was so cool every time you load it up wherever you left off the loading screen. Green is wherever you left off. So hardware will mix half-life so interesting is you're like all Manama's scaping there's lots of action lots of gun play. There's aliens now it's like you. You have a puzzle and is not just a normal puzzle. It's like a building. Yeah match your puzzle trying to figure out like oh I lower this I- this lever. I gotta put I gotTa take my gravity gun and take all these barrels implemented a waits 'til yeah pull myself off the so these are just like oh we want. I want you to learn and use what we're showing you. Those are great games and a lot. A lot of those puzzles have setups in the in the first part of the like the to`real aspect we're just like hey you can interact on this playground with a seesaw on the Center Block and then later on it's like you got to make this plank into a seesaw with all center block so that you can reach up to this another to this new level oh on the sledge or find this stuff in the room to get across his body of water yeah or like help you get out of the body wire but those are always. That's what I loved and also frustrated me when I'd they'd do something like that and look back and realize all there was a way much easier way to like in that the air boat. Yeah I keep a scene because that's how it fucking move. It takes me out of it if I miss the jump and I'm like fuck fucked losing. Yes no it could have been cooler. There's no that famous video mill house with his hair flying because he's playing a video game that's how it felt. Were came downstairs like house half life. I'm like Oh my gosh. Aw You're chasing me. I'm on Chemical Waste Shit like all these robots are chasing me. I'm like this is awesome. It's infuriating especially what like for its time early on what's it was. I can't even describe go ahead of its time. This was again. This is just the beginning of the game because they had to make expansions your because they always leave the games off with frigging cliffhangers nonstop. Yeah Yeah this game I mean how much of the plots you want to go through. You're on the air boat it's like the plot is a lot while simultaneously. Honestly you just do it in little chapters you gotta wear that. You're doing it in chapter out there but it's literally most of the game is go here and just getting to that. Point is so much blind fine because you're always learning something new. We go fight the insects on that new car. Basically you have to blow them up and all these sorts of things. The journey was fun but it also oh because of these quote unquote diet cut scenes. It always Made me nervous but it made me feel like I was missing something because because there was there'd be long gaps of like seeing anybody. Yeah somebody talk and there's not a lot of music. Yeah which I love but also felt like I have no grasp of the progress. I'm making yeah you look for those audio cues and there's so few of them but when you find them especially especially yeah exactly when it pays off there's so many little almost like vignettes at the game that you play out that are emotionally affecting an interesting in that. Do a great job live immersing you in the in the environment like you can find those and although they're not like time Simpson game. They don't mark your progress. They still feel so so intentional and thoughtful just like seeing a couple on their couch worried about like. HOW ARE WE GONNA get out of this city? This place is terrible. And you're just like walking past that shit and that kind of audio cue for just immersing you in the space at your and I think is very impressive guys. It's a IT'S A. It's a really cool. No I know I think that what is about this game just like constantly adrenaline. Seeing the whole time you play it and wanting to get to know like what's at the end of this tunnel yeah exactly and again. We're still at the beginning of the game. Yeah this is like this isn't get to the expansions doesn't get to the point and the fun thing about this game is the gravity gun is like the focal point of the whole game. Feels like they built the the source engine just to be you like all right this this weapon and this engine recreated specifically for each which doesn't really happen in gaming and if you play half life death match you have everybody has gravity but he guns. Yeah so everyone just shooting barrels at each other and boxes and just all sorts of stuff. That's cool yeah I game you WanNa do it. Let's do it. It's time hyper how well do you know your favorite video game half life two edition Aristotle. I think you're GONNA do great at this because you've done so much research and you played this on an xbox so let's jump jump in you ready for it ready for it just just so you remember lightning rounds three seconds to answer each question. All of them are definitely about half life. There are no things that are not about half ready. Dammit all right question one. What year is half life? Two first released was not two thousand thousand to say not was at two dozen it was two thousand and four. Correct your credit question to. Oh half life. Two famously used engine for its revamped physics source. That's correct question Well I we have to talk about it. We have to talk about it. Question question which famous World War. Two general competed in the Olympics. This is easy. Name the One World War Two you general you know. I don't know one general. Maybe there's a movie you're eight Basov. Maybe he's he got a comedian is named after him. I am really a patent George Patton and in the Olympics question. Four was the name of the ailing group that conquers occurs earth and half life to a lot of football players. Do this hake extent. They kind of threw me off. They have to do this before you go into the house sexy they are actually what it is. I don't I remember the name because the I always forget that those are masks the up wait oh because I was still thinking about what ballplayers. Yeah does her face masks but I remember the other. If You keep stroking your Mike what are you going to do that. He will catch Jesse guys. Somebody help trolls. What are you gonNA do get them? trolls I keep wanting to say Gorgon but I know that Oregon you know. It is the combine COM com by five. Genuinely Look Keith in the eyes and threatened him like you're a drug lord in nineteen eighty five and he owes you money nineteen eighty five. He owes you money. You're the drug lord. Look in the eyes are subtle. Get close to the MIC and threatened and I mentally prepping the mentally pro. Okay okay get yourself in that space. It's just my years nineteen ninety-five you're definitely an eh kids so sick. I just fucking care so I got I got to get flock of seagulls tickets. Pass me the rotary phone. And it's it's still timely Lee. I'm calling up Jimmy from down the block. Yeah he's GonNa come down with the baseball bat. You don't just want to let you know that I am not intimidate. It sounds like you're asking somebody else to do you dirty. I'm the boss. Then why did you come all the way down. TV show called the boss. Yeah in the name of the show was on the boss. I don't do that Shit. Aristotle you got that would encourage question six. How long does it take the combine to conquer all of earth and half life two? I don't remember that I don't I don't know actually I mean you take a guess. Five years seven hours an all of earth's just Keif off that I mean that's yeah we're not going to medical what do you have we have US waving white flags uncoordinated coordinated question seven. What's the cubes root of sixty four? The cube root of sixty four correct right the at the route. Sixty four hours if you can't do this. Then the cubed rudge the square aroo what times itself is sixty. Four Jesse. Don't be don't be this guy. I like how we just had to take the mass question. Okay yes okay. This is not that number. SNL The Cuban version of it. What time itself and and then times itself again for yeah question? Eight generally look Jesse in the eyes and tell him off like he just screwed you out of your company that blew up his now valued hundreds of millions of dollars social network. Me Come on do it grab your rotary cut you out Bro. You cut me okay. I cut you off valued at two hundred million dollars. Now you valued at eight thousand Bro. Cut You out on the stock you fucked me and why you suck. I think he's stroke. That microphone like an idiot. It just makes me said this. Is You telling me off this. Is You telling me off weight so you'll get a baseball bat from me. Call someone to take care of me but Jesse intimidates you g pros for like eight thousand dollars. I stole two hundred million from you. Look me in the eyes. I can't even like in this scenario on. Look at me. This is why. Cut You out question nine. What does the name of Alex's pet robot you play with in half life two doug correct ds zero lower case cheese question? Ten was the name of the city which much half life two takes place. God Damn and I keep wanting to say I keep calling it in my head mega city one. There's a number and a phone. It's something unlike simple like city. Sixteen right GENE-O partial credit question. Eleven genuinely talk about something. You're proud of follow up but then genuinely look Keith. In the eyes and tell him off or blowing up your house with the comedy. Large setup follow up genuine genuinely Jesse in the eyes and wink like you fucking mean it Induce all with FLO also flow. But there's also doesn't flow you get it wrong so then proud genuinely genuinely I mean. I've looked her house with a comically large. TNT set thank like acme or looney tunes. Yeah and then when he saw me do the whole thing you saw me set up for it everything and then just turn them wink at me. Like we're GonNa fuck something genuinely proud. Yup Come on Mom knows anything you're gloating take something you're great I might. I might pick on us. We'll pick on. We'll pick on you later. Genuinely proud of these overalls and he has overall today. I feel like I wear them pretty I all right. He thinks Irakli now. You gotta go right into Keith flow flow flow flow way. What the questions only now? Well yeah why wouldn't I say something before more but you also said comically large TNT. So I really large. Yeah a well a word he turned to me with the far I was so odd Correct Donald Correct question twelve. How many times is G. Men referred to by name half-life? I don't think they ever call him the tax. He never is named at any point in time G.. Man came from something that was hidden in the coating around his character and question thirteen. Everybody's favorite question. Tell us to see all this has to be passed. This has to he better than the last. You think you won't be able to top it but I think you gotta deep. I've got something down. I think there's something that you're like. I can't think of anything but in in the back of your head. You're like I think of something I'll never share this and you're about I just want to let you know that this won't follow you as much as the shit story unless it's way better and that's we asking for. Yeah I mean it's not a good secret though. I guess it's similar but not as bad as that other dead blurred story but a Found a dead bird in the street once. Just pick it up with a shovel and buried in the backyard. Didn't tell anybody wait. didn't tell my mom. Why didn't you town townie one because it was? I don't know say it. I felt it was weird. I sure but I felt bad for the bird because it wasn't it was like feel bad for the Burj. You kill it no. It was just dead industry-wide you bury it. I wanted to give it a proper burial without throwing it in the trash. But I also didn't want to ask my mom who who would then get. Most animals get ripped apart two pieces by other animals and decompose into that too. Who old how old? How old were you WanNa say like fifteen sixteen before you can drive or after you can drive? Let's be honest after because we're back so weird fifteen I've team you can do because you're like I can't leave the house. I just got to find stuff to do sixteen eighteen. You can leave. I was about to leave. And here's a here's the thing. Here's a follow up on. Say That's fair. That was weird but did you pray over the grave and you bury it it. Did you say this is a I mean. It really wasn't but I stay in the mentality. Ody of Avatar of like thank you for. Thank you for what you've given. What do you say about Avatar mentality? Where he's like? I see whenever something dies so k.. Aerosol what's your actual secret. You really don't have anything worse than Shit in your pants. It's hard to over the second seed now. I haven't tested that's embarrassing but I'm talking about scary moments. I'm talking about moments where you fucked up big time man. That's what I'm talking about. Share the dark side air. The dark side aside baby girls WanNa hear when you hear the dark stuff. You know any murderers. Do you know any murderer you know I I I know. Murdering people are serving time for murder. Jesus but this isn't about me. I don't know how to phrase this without data's being offered but just tell us the weirdest thing you've ever done during sex is is when sex has been extremely normal. I don't I WANNA make this consecutive thing who you fuck you fuck everybody every body. Howdy there where'd you? Where'd you lose your virginity? My God on a catch Nice. What were you watch chain? Yup Won't rewiring member who remember I truly do you. Don't remember the movie you're watching you lost your virginity At that time it was probably stepbrothers or Pinar. Remember wait wait. Wait if it wasn't one the older you wait. I was in Montana's you're like fifteen now. Wait hold on Aristotle. Is this pre bird or post bird. Oh I I have no idea. Yeah way home. Yeah Yeah I don't know how old you were when you ask you for Jin. I know it was senior year of ice school. Okay seventeen so it was after the bird. Hold on. Tell me why you've buried the memory of losing your virginity on your head that's weird. Everyone remembers their Virginia. They didn't bury it but it was just so do you remember her name. Hold on Jessie okay. I was GONNA say it was so quick. Awake is fine. Yikes hope she's not listening. Take that man well at least now we know who he fucking badly do we well. Here's here's the secret. Here's secret. I tweeted after it way. You tweeted like inland deciphered. Good way or you just like I lost my virginity. Everyone was like you know what that meant you or did you tweet aristotle tweet. I think it was just vague vague enough. That I was like this makes Disarma- man on twitter. Oh Oh anywhere virginity Arizona replied line. This is like you know just me and my high school friends so only they followed me. Oh my God. You tweeted tweeted out. I had sex. You tweet out. Did you tweet before telling your friends. Oh how soon after you finished. Did you tweet same time. No I don't know but you just didn't know what to do with your energy. 'cause you're like our ah where was she she leaves she was still there my steel. What were you guys doing? Probably still watching the movie if I if you're in sectioning me with my memory now we're watching movie and it's probably start you know but you don't. I don't have any terrible terrible. I do go from like had an orgasm next to a human for the first time to into whatever whatever however you landed your land ever you. You're stuck stuck the landing. You weren't like Oh wow I'm watching the addams family values or anything. Can I tell you go ahead. I I know somebody from back in our New York days. Yeah who was sleeping with somebody and in the middle of having sex he was like hold on. I just thought of a tweet Pete and he grabbed his phone. I know who this young and he went to write it down and he dropped the phone on her face and he chipped tooth the way better than whatever you I wish comparison. I gotTa Tell You you tweeting. I'm Amanda After Losing Your Virginity. That's a good secret. That's a good seat now. You can tweet that whenever you wanted people. Who like the tweet? I'm a man badly. This has been. How old are your video game aristotle? It doesn't matter because then zegers good baby. I didn't think of it as much of a secret because it's probably still deep in my twitter feed so like out there. Yeah but I couldn't find the exact date and time at which aristotle awesome veto losses. Virginia we're all three of rent to our separate. Let me just get off. I'm just have to scroll down so far. My my concern is that at a certain point. Twitter stops keeping track of your tweets publicly. That can't be true. Is that true. They can't be true he's going to take a picture of it picture and I'm going to delete it. Ah You gotTa send that picture to us. I don't know if I can okay. I have the strength. Let me let me see it. Let me see the time stamp on this. Aristotle has found the tweet tweet Cami your computer your guests on our show air subtle. Give me your valuables. He refuses to hand it to me. Aristotle I'm GonNa look at it Bro let let me see. I also included a winky face. Lear he's covering it up. Aristotle two thousand nine two thousand. Wow how it's going back there. What time and then night almost minute wait? What's what's the date? It's the November twenty twenty fifth. So getting ready to Fuck Oh man thanks giving fuck. It's the next given fuck aristotle losses virginity the day before Thanksgiving Nice. How did how did you wait? But it was regularly like literally minutes before Thanksgiving. How do you forget? That thanksgiving wasn't as important. I Ah Man. That's so funny you you lost your virginity. Almost at the stroke of Thanksgiving in two two thousand and nine wonderful while watching stepbrothers probably probably sounds awful so funny that's you were trying to climax towed. John C Reilly pretended even eight. I can't wait until until November twenty fifth because we're going to celebrate. We are man's man's today. We're going to tweet that John's God all right. Let's jumping jump back into have live to here. So here's the thing about half life to the the big the ending of the game name is like you are you guys ever watched Futurama that scene. Where the when they take professor Farnsworth entertain up to the old person funeral home thing or there's like cities upon cities of bodies now tombstone? It's literally like you get into a thing that swings you around and on like a roller coaster. Yeah it takes you around this huge combine into the citadel into the city that which is where this guy what is his name. Bream mean where he's waiting for you. He's been trying to find you. What is his master plan? Do you remember not at all. I don't like he's he wanted to use the technology that Alex's father was was creating too I think just like invite more aliens or something. I'm not sure. Yeah because they're trying to work on the transportation device that they're trying to try to be able to transport people whenever they want wherever they can go and that sort of things. They're trying to get in touch with him because all point is they're trying to gets Alex's Dad. They WanNa Kill Alex's dad because basically the savior of humanity he is going to find the cure. He's going to help humanity lead the way and looking in for him for guidance and really he's looking towards you be like your kind of Lear and all these people that you're meeting by the way we didn't touch on this are just people from Black Mesa. Yeah they're all people from I mean yeah and you get betrayed by one of the people you meet and then in the end you can tell. Yeah you know Oh. She gave me horrible vibes of the whole time. I it was not a fan of her. Yeah but at the end she double crosses and Set You free so that you can go you know. Stop this crazy maniac president dude from taken over you blow up a portal everything explodes right before Alex is about to be killed by the explosion. Time just stops and the g man shows up and he's like hey you've done great you've done so great we're GonNa put you back in stasis and that's just the game just fucking ends The game just fucking ends right then and there and then the expansions happen. And why don't we talk about that. So expansions happen and the first first one saying did you play both of them. I played both of them but I do. They blend together in your head. Yes right after another but there was a gap of time in between half life to when I played them. Well yeah because half life two came out and the expansions came out like the first one two years and the other one was two years after that that and then I bought them both after that. Yeah Yeah So. In the episode one is the first expansion episode one. Essentially you help the civilians rebel. You go on and you take on the army and all these sorts of stuff and then the third one is is you basically create episode to the third the third half life two game. And that's the one where Jesse if you can any fable to pull pull it up. There's a reason people get upset about half life three not coming out. Yeah and it's not and I get the people are like Oh half life threes not gonNA come now. Why is that the big deal? I mean when when the last of US ends the last of US ends in a way that makes you just go like. Oh yeah like that. It's upsetting it's upsetting half flight to ends in such a way. I think if you can find like an audio clip or able to put it in all south but like at put put it to like let people listen to it because it's literally a moment of Alex watching her dad. Die in front of you watching dog be get hurt essentially and watch your whole world around you just laugh a lap and it ends with Alex is crying and you're just kind of like what the hell do we do now and the game and it's over that's how it ends a satisfying thing. It's the biggest cliffhanger. Live hanger up in the world now. Half life three is coming up. But it's a prequel about Alex's life three they're just saying it's like they needed they come out the half life game because what it was. I who wrote half life said he wrote the script for half life three. But it's never coming out. Yeah which to me is just is weird. I want to I bring this up in a way because I'm a I'm a huge fan of steam and it's weird to me because when they came out the new counterstrike game they just what they're supposed to come out with new engines. They come out with new games. They make video games and over the past ten years. I don't feel like they've really done any done anything. They make their controller. They did the steam box again the hardware. It didn't happen yeah. Everyone's stolen their model. Essentially for you. I for how you play video games now you own them and everything like that. They haven't done John Enough no so Alex. VR is supposed to be there hey. VR Sat people. It looks fun it looks great. It looks exciting. Still we're owed. Yeah heard half life care that your own a console or peace both. You're you're owed at the very least the PC version of half life. That answers the story of what happens to these character. Yeah you can't just be like here's a prequel. Nobody fucking cares. Deal in the future crying with Morgan Freeman about her dad. Die Against the SAS moment. It's like somebody kicked your dog and Shot Your Dad and baled and you're like what just happened. And then the game it's over. It's a terrible terrible cliffhanger. Tangier to to live with and speaking of Tarot aged they. We have a game for you or saw it's time for Keith hangers with cliff and Jesse. Here's how it works at the great title you go into it. Came about coming and oh boy did it come about to tweet. I'm a man you all right. Here's how this game works. We are going to tell you the first part of a story ory about our lives and you were going to try to figure out what happens after that cliffhanger okay. Are you ready am I going for actual. So you're telling us what you genuinely think have these are. We're going to tell you what happened after. He's a real stories from our lives. Now made up now made up not a bit it. This is the one time we're not doing. This is not a bit. You ready keeps you WANNA go first or you want me go I I go I all right number one. When I was five years old I found a used? I used small pocket knife on the ground while I was Christmas tree shopping at a farm with my family. We did this every year. I find this little blue pocketknife and on the ride home. I didn't tell anybody I had it in on the ride home from the Christmas Tree Farm Henry I was five years old. Didn't tell any in the middle seat of a sedan flanked by my my two brothers my parents in the front and Christmas tree strapped to the roof of the car Volvo station wagon and pulled out this knife and my family was horrified or five when I I mean I hope you're on the fucking zero family. Just Rob Your family. You totally imagine you taking the knife and cutting the wire that is holding the treat is in my I bowl station station wagon. Imagine at the time when you still using twine through the window. Yep exactly and so. It's right there in front of you. It's exactly in front of me and you cut it. No not even even little bit. I took out what I would later. Learn because they have those two things the tweezers out and have the other thing. What's the other the thing I think I my mind goes to file but I don't remember? This is for cleaning underneath your fingernails. I I was like oh a toothpick using my. My family was terrified. Not enough to take take the knife away with which I later. Cut My finger because I I had a bouncy ball and I was like I wonder what's inside. I didn't understand how to cut cut using that fucking knife and flown back on my car. Almost cut off my right index finger tip. That's air salad with the fuck man got. Why don't we Taylor was right? There you get yours was good. Yours is good because then the tree would have fallen a little bit too like to be noticeable but not Sioux soon falls off the car and makes here would have I had a good guest. That's actually completely wrong. All right Keith. STARTED US up. All right my turn is it is time I was living in. Montana was playing hockey and the thing that we knew areas that we had tons of animals. They were mountain. Lions bears bears lots of bears. Kodak's elks and here's the elks guys ever seen. Have you seen an elk like in real life. No but they're huge day. I didn't know what it was the first time I saw on. Oh when did a deer go through radioactive. Waste and get fucking Jack to high hell because I had some store and they're like that's is an elk and I'm like oh I only know reindeers in my head where does it compare in size to move. So yeah here's her. We go baby. Good it crime outside and you can see when we're at the farm herds of elk go through literally like hundreds. We'll be going through our farm going up the mountain or whatever so I'm outside and I'm walking from my farm little house to the regular house with a family that was living with and I look up and I think hey you like. That's just an elk on the other side of the fence and sure enough I get closer to it and I see that it's a moose what happens. I mean 'cause I mean they're aggressive am territory side of the fence. It's not I went on the other side of the fence and then I kept walking towards me normally alkyl just disappear chase or just run away also close to if a Moose is on the other side of offense. It's there's just GonNa be on your side of the fence if it wants to be. Yeah I mean I feel like the logical thing here is that you run away but no no you keep walking towards it and keeps walking towards you go on and then you've somehow create a bond and it's not Niagara I've a bond with a Moose and I've never I've been brought up to have a moon continued bond like with the but uh like there is a part of February. Take a break from the podcast and go to Montana and hang out with Moose like strangers passing the night you appreciate each other in nature kind of yeah they walked by me and that's it I literally was like. Oh that's elk your twice the size twice. This is there like over a thousand pounds. They're slugging scare their cars and I was like. Oh my God that's a Moose. It didn't even look at me. It just kept like walking by and I W- inside the house. It was like I just walked by a Moose. And they're like you should be dead legitimately like that's how scary Mussa. Yeah Damn all right you ready for mind in but called it right all in high school. Our principal wants came over the loudspeaker I was in Spanish. Bliss and our principal came over the loudspeaker speaker and apropos of nothing to all of us said please do not go outside and bother the Moose that is in the parking. I think this is northern -Chusetts. We had noted what the fuck was going on. But everybody it's like an open concept school so everybody can hear and see the everybody's reaction so she says this. I was in Spanish class so I raise my hand and as pro. What didn't you you like the moment you hear that over the loudspeaker feel like the school tilt to one side? Everyone's everyone's look out the window basically so my Spanish teacher Senor Rocca was goalie for these span for the spent for the Spain national team at one point said yeah sure because he did not not give a fuck lab and so I left the classroom and did what Aristotle I think he went downstairs looked out at the meuse. It looked at you. Oh you ran back inside and outside. I mean it's possible you went outside but I think there's there's a pretty quick runback sixteen year old Jesse doesn't know how big a looses and doesn't know that that move sir aggressive. He's just a kid in the parking lot of his high school. Do you have a car in the parking lot. My brother does and he drove me to the school that morning. You Go and you slap on your brother's car to have it. Come fuck with car slammed the car like it's a horse by trying to get the Moose's attention thing charges usage a phoney bone. Yeah can I tell you what I actually did. I went into the bathroom. I'm a good boy. I asked to go to the bathroom. I went to the bathroom. I went back to my seat and I learned a bunch of Spanish. I would quickly forget Keith. Your turn the year nineteen ninety-six city Atlanta the thing that we're doing there. What's going on in this city nineteen ninety-six and Atlanta Atlanta? Yeah biggies real real. Big movie came out about it. Sin Away I'm GonNa recently Leland imbed. Hey what movie About this bond. Who's the bombing got accused? The bomb clearly was. It wasn't the bomber but they man named it anyways so I'm there with my family. We're looking for a way out because because guys were there seemed gymnastics. We're there to see the Dream Team. The we're there. We're at the Olympics. Were there to see the gymnasts. We're here to see the to Dream Team's the on Dream Team. We all know about the basketball team Then there's the other Dream Team which is Kerri strug. And all those gymnast Shannon Miller and the all won gold medals in Nineteen ninety-six considered the best the best American gymnasts of all time what people have to now is that I was there in Nineteen ninety-six little boy and my parents parents had five kids Catholic. They don't like condoms and boy were they like Holy Shit. We didn't think would it be like I say something what you don't have to be Catholic flex now like condoms. You can just be correct to not touch so there's millions of people there's not but it feels like millions of people at least thousands bumping into your children. I saw terminator for the first time in this guy. Guys guys everything and Atlanta's Peach Dr. Pf Lane peachtree. They love beaches. They do boy anyway. My Mom's freaking out. How does she's like we need to get out of here? Everyone's running into our kids. We're losing track of our kids. We don't want them to get stolen. That Yada Yada somebody that's Rican out. He's asking cab drivers now like driving. There's no cars or whatever so he goes over to the LIMO and knocks on the door. What happens what happens? statal title someone from the Dream Team. Either Dream Team comes out Well he's a Dream Team of sorts. I guess I guess ask what he does. One of the Ron. Jeremy what talk. What do you think Ron Jeremy has a limo in one thousand nine hundred sixty Olympics? Wait you think. That's the high of like being fat Jewish youth a big Dick in the nineties Dream Team of sorts. And it's not like I think of Dream Team but the way that you said it made it sound bad I think Jesse is trying to point out that Ron Jeremy's a known for having money he's known for being a Jewish guy with a huge. I tell you something. I didn't know Ron Jeremy was Jewish. What was this whole thing was was it? Yes I didn't know that. Have you heard him talk. No why would I ever hear Jeremy. It's the best so explicit. Now Ron Jeremy Okay that's it. That was your gas really Ron Jeremy. Wow Fun turn yeah. Yeah that would have been fun anyway. So my dad goes over to the LIMO. Driver is like Hey I'll give you money. What can I pay you? It's a big car. Dr I got five kids Blah Blah. Just let us in. What can we do? We're down a mile down the road and on this guy gets out of the car in the back and a woman's screams it's Jerry Seinfeld Aris Seinfeld is like are you trying to take my limo like trying to get my a limo and like leave and the woman screamed as Jerry Seinfeld. He got like it's one of those things that see movies were just like Oh my God. It's so and so and like they get for some reason there's a billion people who heard it and rush the person that was Jerry Seinfeld so my dad found this young uncouple because we had tickets to go see the Dream Team and he goes. I will give you tickets to the Dream Team and like one hundred dollars. If you let my family pile into your car yeah yeah so. We all got into a car all stacked on top of each other for like three people and we sat seven people back there back to this rental house nice pretty good good. Pretty Good Aerosol you are not nailing any of the I got the one with the first Moose story kind of when I was sixteen. There is a possum dying in our driveway. It was like face down in a puddle breathing. Not Moving just like having. It's last breaths and it was probably sick my family. Didn't you know what it was like may have been dying of rabies And so nobody knew what to do. But I was like well. I'm sixteen. I can handle this so I buried in your bank. You you went to go grab it and it runs up and runs away because it wasn't actually dying and I call the cops who cares has nothing to do in this town and the police show up. Run it over with their police. Our try officer a law SQI. Hey what's up. Is Somebody that we know from soccer. He is. He has two twins on my brother's soccer team in high school. That's the most Boston thing I know. I know I soccer or not soccer and it'd be like Oh yeah I know some cops. It's the Aleve fucking know the so he shows up and there are four four cop cars at our house because they show up in like what do we do because the animal control person is just away on vacation and so we don't know what to do with this thing we don't you want an animal control person do for vacation. No probably the zoo but so a loss goes up. And he's like a senior member of the force and all these kids are staying on like people who are like just graduated high school who are now wearing cop uniforms and he's like you get that trash can from the industry and the kid brings over because dump the trash out. I you idiot thinking dumps the trash out puts upside down. He puts over the possum and just scoots it because no one Italian took. uh-huh might have rabies into the middle of the driveway and the undefeated and the thing is just sitting there on his back and somebody's like you should shoot but it and he's like it's a residential neighborhood. Oh you should stab it. So he goes your cruiser and this kid gets closer and Dan's in our driveway like like a traffic controller. The Dude drives three times and he misses it three times. James is sitting there like this fucking clown swearing in front of us. Go inside kids. Go inside and I'm like I don't WanNa go inside so finally all my this is so gross fucker so finally he's like if you don't run this thing's head over right now I'm Gonna I'm GonNa Afire doesn't say but you can tell he's like you're such a fuck up right now gets in the car is down and he gets right to the head and we just this year. This la the loudest crack sound. I've ever heard in my life lost. You just goes got him and then he goes. I need a trash bag. And do you have a shovel ever like. Yeah so my dad comes out with the trash bag in a shovel. And he goes and he hands it to Alaskan Alaska goes. I don't give it to me give it to the kid. 'cause the scoop it in the trash can ties off the bag hands into a loss loss. You just goes. I'm taking that I'm all I'm saying is like shoot them. No you can clearly run them over. Make a bigger popping sound way. Discuss family just blew. ooh At the same time. I ran over a squirrel once and it still haunts me. Does you bury it. No Oh so. You didn't feel bad about that guy but the thing you had no attachment to bury that across from the school so they get out of the car so there I am in Montana again this all the secrets are really is the. Severity hides their secrets in Montana. I get pulled over two in the morning. I get back from a hockey game. You take a bus everywhere Montana and you get back late at night because you know blizzards you're in Montana snows. You know most places where it snows six inches and they have a snow day not allowed to go to school. Yeah yeah it smells like seven feet. And they're like he's like you gotta get there like things wouldn't get done. We took notice basically. So they're like you. Just you use do things so there's a straightaway trying in this neighborhood. Abraham where some of them don't have stop signs or four away streets. Yeah don't stop signs but some of them do have stop signs. So it's two in the morning knowns runs around and then on Montana I'm just like fuck this I'm just zooming through the science okay. Don't do that Blah. Yeah whatever I know I know but but I'm also like the next one. I have to kind of do a half stop. Even though I'm not technically supposed to like way every time I drive down and I'm like screw through this. I want to get home. Cop sees me lights me up and like he gets behind me and I loved these moves. We you're like I'm innocent. I'm not a bad person in and then to other cop cars pull up like okay. This is a grass is what did I do like. What did they hear that I do that? I did or whatever and the guy pulls me. Oh any like comes over. And he's like hey and like high he's like. Did you see that you blew through all of those stop signs and I was like did you see that. It's Montana at two and I was like I play for the hockey team. He's like oh no like it's two in the morning and he was like well. You blew through the Stop Signs. I was like you notice. That's how this street doesn't have a stop sign. It's a four way road like where I could easily die and someone can die. Wasn't the city about that and he's like yeah like kind kind of like I see other cop. Cars drive away of them being like he's not drunk he just like didn't want to stop likely he's and he's just like he's like okay. Okay well go to court like you have to go to court and like all this or a staff or whatever And this is a sidetrack of because because this is the first time I get pulled over in Montana and worn out for my arrest because I forgot to go to the core. I got a call from a nice little lady. Keith Dino's worn out for your arrest. Now's like Oh damn what I do like that sort of like that's great. How does that mean it gives me something? anyways his second story I get pulled over first before you get to the second story. I WANNA point out that aristotle didn't guess the first story so again you blew so you pulled over a second time and this time speeding I I just was a cop pulls me over and he goes license license registration. Now Mike Okay and I'm really from registration and then he's like. Okay thanks and then like he leaves and then he comes over and he goes. Haven't I stay. That's the cliffhanger. Tell me why what happened. What happened Aristotle? Have a nice day more cop show up and they ha. They handled the the arrest. He told me to have a nice day. And then he said I'm GONNA go check up on this guy because about ten ten feet in front of me on the other side was a man with his eyes wide open staring at us he was dead. Ah Cop went over to hey butter you'll pay and just nudged his shoulder and the do completely fell down and it was like. Oh so the COP was like I'm gonNA write you ticket. There's a dead dude in front of us. Never Mind like get the hell out of here. I'm going to deal with this instead. Alao remember like I know people who have murdered KNEKNA now. We just want to know the person I know this infor- murder. I know the person I I went to school with the kid that I saw. Aw on television was in Disneyworld Great. He murdered his molem Del Guitar. Okay you're GONNA that out. Do you want me to know I'm just like I. Did you break your elbow. What happened? I don't know something. Funding funding happening there okay. Arizona bumped his elbow but more importantly Keith just said the most teenage thing I've ever saying. Wow I went to school that the six years prior very personal anyways The other guy they knew worked at a Burger King. Sure hockey goalie just a just a head case stupid kid. And he's just he's just stupid. Worked at Burger King and the people at Burger King at the wise idea that. Why don't we rob our own Burger? We sat in the car. While these you'd just supposed to go in and take money and bounce the two dudes shoot up the place kill people. He's an accessory to murder the rest of his life. This is this has been a key hangers with cliff and Jesse. We had other stories. But I don't I don't think we can talk. What just happened happens? Can I can't tell you real quick and I have this. I've a Styrofoam Wall. Go ahead I just had Here's here's a real quick one and I wrote it specifically for you because I thought you'd appreciate this right. When I was in high school I was at a friend's graduation party and suddenly needed take shit? Real bad only problem was there's only one bathroom in the house and it was right next where everybody everybody was hanging out and I was uncomfortable with that so I went outside to shit but then Everybody found you somehow so I just went to Shit in the bathroom like a normal adult Griffin Jesse jazzy. You're the one that I had was a cliffhanger. I was hanging out with somebody and they fake body checked me and so I I jumped aggressively like the hit me and what I thought was a wall and I was at a mall and they do this at Malls Styrofoam Wall. I didn't get like it's part part of the wall so I went flying through a wall at the mall. Unlike people stared at me man. I'm like I just walk way now. Right fake fall at the Styrofoam Wall up not without my other one. That's we did. We did a guy. Do we have any final thoughts on half life I have to. I mean it's a fucking the monumental game changes the course of first person shooters and Puzzle Games and and Physics with video games. If you you have jumped into the Valve World Team Fortress. Two ISM was a massive game for a long time. It's basically what overwatch is. It was like I urge so very similar but of course portal valve is a developer. That I feel like people should be checking out. If you haven't checked I was going to get that that was going to be my final. That uh was I get to left left for dead leopard at the world kind of needs for it. They just said no he said I like best all time. Because they're just like no. We're we're not making new left for dead game and there's no we're not making an half life game you're just pushing counterstrikes Gabe fucking doing. I don't know I really don't know amount of times when I tell people about about like. Oh I do this show. And they're like Oh left for dead. I played all the time like the amount of people who have specifically mentioned that as their against the most like fun addicting game in the world. Well I love that game so yeah yes checkout vow checkup half layup portal. Shakeout George truly so many people's favorite game and it's like the the the funnier other side of the coin. Yeah in fact the the stuff on on shells legs that are like that. Allow her to jump jump and land softly the police officers in half life two. You have it. Oh on their legs. Pretty I feel like I brought this up last time but maybe not the same world yet. They're using the same. Not only do I know that my band's name and high school was named after the very specific. Did you play in band. What was your band? Would you do in the band. I I played drums. What what's the band's name We were called we sold. The borealis is a ship that goes missing and a half. That's that's an. Ah Jude find it important to you can. It's an Easter Egg. Say the name again. We stole the reality. That's so fucking good guys open for thrice no no. I wish an inch again. I feel like I told this before. But maybe I told you guys with not on the but we don't talk to you around the Chas. The problem with that band name is that it was in high school And a lot of people in high school new were very good friends of mine nine who also knew my sister whose name is Aurora Borealis. And I'm like yes but that's not why that's that's such a weird fucking. I liked it aerostat. All we ask the same five questions of all of our guests but we've already asked them because you've been on the show before it's true so now we're going to ask the same second five questions that we ask of all of our second time guests. Are you ready. I'm not as familiar with these. But yes this is final five and literally none serves are even close to being so from James Inside the actors studio but I will just say Fuck James Lipton. Can we just say that this time we're not doing geno. Fuck Fuck Fuck Fuck Russian one. If you could inhabit one video game world what would it be. I WanNa go to Porto. But that's because it's so much fun. Yeah it's scary. Living kanamori democracy east scares the shit out of the earth. were a tiny being can shoot you into space. I would beat the tiny be. That's not what the question was there. You gotta live in the world. I would say I guess the guitar our hero world because they just make it. It's so easy to become such a world after just a few shows. Most people in the world in that world just become famous guitarists like there are authors drums. Then that'd be rock band just WanNa live in the mid nineties uh-huh I wrote wonderwall. I guess here's millions question to which famous game characters shouldn't be video game character and why. Hi Get rid of a famous character. Subtle Doctor Mario. Because he's a terrible terrible out. Here prescribed Seattle hills like crazy. I would say strain of Mars. A CON artist haven't seen him plum anything. There you go plummer. Anything flung into the pipe. What is the action of plumbing? Plum Plume Sing Really. No I don't know what the plural of Moose was missing pieces aces. That's a Brian Regan. And I don't know question three if you could combine any video games in history. Which would you pick? I don't even know the game. I would combine it with but I feel like I would combine jet set radio future with like any other game because the graphics are so beautiful so the mid nineties again as we waited that long for you to say the mid nineties again in the mid ninety question for if you go back in experience one game a moment for the first time again what would it be Playing portal. Yeah that was so much fun. The story I mean I don't i. I remember buying the orange box. I feel like one one note Gamer. Now I've played other games. I swear does made quite the impression that these have but I mean I think it's weird if you've played all the Games I've played because I've played a lot fucking can be ignorant. You shouldn't feel the US like I remember the knowing about the orange box it sounding cool played half life two. Here's the other games. The concept of Portal's sounded cool. Yeah and then playing it and slowly revealing those layers of story now and how like much depth. There is to the story and how satisfying data's buying feel like solving those puzzles were because they're so challenging and it's so short and quick gladys such a a great villain. Yeah she's hilarious. I knew none of that going in and so to find all of that out was pizza. Pizza Hut was pizza. A love it. I love it all right and question five and this is original. I don't fucking James Regardless what do you want your last words to. She told me that is probably the realist. I'm a sappy little boy last words I love of you all because that'd be busy. The process I went through is stroke in the Microsoft sued feels Nice. My last words would be to whoever I am. I don't even say married but partnered with And that's the that's where I'm trying to frame them. I'm like why it can be better than that. But that's the first thing I go to. The next thing was like well. Am I dying I if they died already so it has to be to your significant. Yes it doesn't have to be but that is what if there was a stranger of my God. This is star. You ask tell my wife I said hello the future online yes. I watched that episode last night and I think about it all the time. It's so good it will. Now you've created a whole other scenario. I'm hit by a car. I'm dying with the driver in the driver's arms. There's one person you connect with this. Here's here's my thing. Yeah the question was what do you want your last words to be. That's what I'm saying. It depends it could be any. Yeah but he doesn't want to be talking to what God gave the World One one hell of a time when I don't regret a thing. I like that Mayes. Yeah that's a good answer. I want to be like evil knievel on fire. I WANNA bullet holes in me and I want to grab a child shirt and look them rain. The is it'd be like my name's Henry and then die or something. I would really love my last words to be Zodiac killer out. uh-huh that's good yes. This has been final five and aristotle the actual final thing where what would you like to plug and secondly and more importantly. Where's your favorite place to eat? tacos on everything I am. You may be by the time. This is out. That tweet will be deleted. I don't know it depends on how how well-versed you are in searching twitter. They're they're probably great at it. All right all right. Whenever you're on a podcast you say the Internet like we'll see how good you are at doing things? The Internet Mike. Don't ever fate damage done to it. I don't think I can find it My I have so. How many favorite places? But I I don't do you remember. Do you remember what I said last. No no and they make food for you. The vegan place or doesn't make any Vegan food for you owe duties. Oh was that I talked about it I remember. I don't remember if I said it's my favorite but Masa and echo park. They make a Vegan deep dish. Pizza was the Vegan food you make at home. I make like the same. Three things Indian Ian Currie Japanese Curry Korean Barbecue. This is interesting just tofu. Veggies with the Indian curry was always tofu potatoes carrots on cauliflower rice for Japanese in any inquiry but just as last time I used chickpeas in Indiana. Do you need to eat more after. Like you take Jesse's class or something I should. Yes a term of just like if I was Vegan. I'm like I'd it'd have to eat twice as much as I do already. Yes but I'm also bad at it and there are days where I just forget to eat. That's not healthy that's not. That's not good but unrelated Keith. Could you please check your phone. God Damn Shit. Oh my God in case anybody doesn't the no. There's an advanced search function. I didn't even need it. It's very helpful. We can tweet this right. God Damn it. I love that you're like now. I'm a man yes I'm Dan. I am a mess. I surely wasn't I said I'm a man after like changed my oil. That's when I usually save. I still haven't set it about myself as Jesse's lasts words. Yeah man take what your last words are. Imagine turning to somebody going. If I don't come back tell them time travel exist and then just turning turning the corner all right I would just say I'm not Keith. Yeah that's good. That's all right. Should we get out of here. Let's do it half life to aristotle. Keith I'm Jesse nobody else is gotTA talk. I'm just GonNa be me. I'M GONNA pretend marriage stop man named how do we can. We just real quick hold on. I'm stroking my mic like it's a squirrel world. I'm talking to the whole time. I did talk to us. Grow the other day joy. Hey I mean I hope you get on the fucking family. Just Rob your whole family.

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6 Things To Know Around Detroit

Daily Detroit

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6 Things To Know Around Detroit

"Welcome to your daily Detroit for Tuesday January Twenty First Two thousand twenty. I'm spend Gustafsen and I'm Jerry stays welcome. Welcome back from the holiday weekend. There is a lot going on. So let's just get right to it last week on the show we told you how a Capitol reporter up in Lansing Lansing alleged. That state Senator Peter Lucido of Shelby Township made a sexist remark to her while she tried to interview him. Now a fellow state senator of Lagos Acevedo's said she's filing a workplace sexual harassment complaint against him state. Senator Mallory Mc Moro tells cranes the incident took place in November or twenty eighteen after she was first elected to her seat representing the Thirteenth District in Oakland County Mc Moro a Democrat from Royal Oak said. She introduced herself to Lucido a Republican at an orientation event for newly elected senators. She said Lucido shook her hand but kept his other hand on her lower back throughout the conversation conversation when mcmorris told him that she had defeated an incumbent Republican she said Lucido looked her up and down and told her I can see why McMurdo said she. She stayed silent because she was a freshman. Senator Endless Saito was a former member of the State House who had just been elected to a state Senate seat in the majority party. Her account account was partly backed up by a fellow Senate. Lawmaker who witnessed. Lucy does hand on her lower back. Lucie told crain's the allegation was quote completely untrue and politically motivated unquote. The news comes a week after Michigan advanced reporter Alison Donohue reported. That Lucido told her in front of a a group of Catholic schoolboys quote. You could have a lot of fun with these boys or they could have a lot of fun with you and quote the Senate Business Office is investigating that incident cendant upon request of Senate leaders from both parties. The CTO is a licensed attorney. Who served two terms in the State House before being elected to the state Senate in two thousand eighteen he? He has been widely thought to be considering a run for governor. A lot of people have been talking online about how much money has been raised by recreational marijuana on in Michigan in. Its first six weeks and of course we also chatted about it on this very show more than ten million in sales and about one point seven million in taxes however a new report from Steve needling at the Metro Times puts this all in perspective that in fact Michigan has been far behind other states in recreational marijuana sales ails early on for instance Illinois there. It took just five days to sell what Michigan did in six weeks. There are quite a few reasons for this. Including the fact that Michigan has a very limited number of licensed dispensaries that are actually open. Also as we've talked about here on the show. Eighty percent of cities have opted out of selling selling recreational marijuana altogether that means no dispensaries and no shared revenue for those places slowly. Michigan is bringing new dispensaries online. The first licensed since medical marijuana dispensary and Wayne County has opened first quality meds with a Z.. In River Rouge the next closest one Ann Arbor. This city of Detroit is a place place where an overwhelming majority of residents voted for legalized marijuana. However they're extending their temporary ban on dispensaries through at least March the the vote by city council was unanimous as it works on a city specific social equity program chairs really interesting how so many communities at least voters communities wanted marijuana to be legal? And yet you know people don't want it sold in their communities Nimby at its finest I mean for sure I mean you look at that in the city of Detroit royal folks wrestling with this problem to royal oak overwhelmingly wanted recreational and medical marijuana. But there's a big debate. Now Okay do we want them on Woodward Avenue. Is that something that they wanna the have. It's amazing how many of these communities like I feel like there's just like this huge disconnect between leadership and like what people want and that Illinois for example. I wanted to pull it out because like it's so crazy to me you'd think we'd if we had our ducks in a row we'd have so much more money in the coffers. Yeah you know I keep going back to kind of the cultural roll obstacles that marijuana has to overcome and it's GonNa take a long time. I mean you know. This was a drug that was totally demonized. Going way back to the founding of this country you know it was associated with with immigrants with people of Color essentially. I mean it was. It was used as a racist Haji. Yeah absolutely it was just socially ostracized you know. You did not want people to know that you smoke marijuana. And it's like I'm a father of two kids and I think about it all the time it's like you know marijuana's basically on par now at least legally with alcohol so so but it's GonNa take a long time until we can kind of equate the two substances like. Yeah no no different really than drinking. You know you just have to be twenty one on and you know by by other rules but you know it's GonNa take a long time like there's a lot of social stigma that needs to kind of evaporate and it might take a couple of generations. Shins I think frankly well and I think that stigma probably affecting those politicians responses. The Illitch family has made a proposal to the city in which it would hand over two properties. It owns in exchange for an extension on a deadline to submit a new development plan for property owns in the district. Detroit Olympia Development has has been criticized heavily including on this podcast for the slow pace of development in the district. Detroit which is today mostly surface parking lots under the deal it would get until September twenty twenty two to submit plans for the parcel. Just south of little caesars arena where it had originally planned to build a hotel and retail stores ars in exchange. The city will get to open lots one in brush park and the other in midtown that it would convert to public parks. The plan must first be approved by the city council. So then I know I have thanks. I know you have. Thanks my thinks is you know. I mean we've talked a lot about the district troy and its failings on the show. A lot taxpayer. Money went to you. Know the this whole idea of the district Detroit in the little caesars arena and everything and there's we've got surface parking lots and I'd point out. We were actually part part of that that earlier. Trench of criticism because at I mean we're right around all the time. Yeah I would say that illegitimate supposedly floating these new figures figures of like jobs construction jobs and full time permanent jobs that would go along with this extended deadline. Kate fine whatever I mean you know. They don't have a great track record on delivering on these things in the past. I mean going way back to well before the district attorney. This is the cities. This is their first opportunity. One opportunity at least to extract a pound of flesh from illegit out of this deal. I mean I think okay. It's well and good to get two parcels to Macon departs but like let's start putting some teeth into these agreements agreements. Like I think the city needs to take time and really come up and say how can we build in some assurances that they're going to do what they say here and Dan Come out with some actual tangible benefits to the city. Well especially going forward. Is this deal the first district Detroit deal was I believe done under bankruptcy and so this was not done by the current administration. I will note. That Duggan says that this is. He believes that this is a good deal. I wonder what the actual market demand is for those properties. Brady's right so if this property trade is a good deal key seeing things behind the scenes that maybe we are aren't if there were a bunch of suitors somebody wanting to drop a bunch of money on this land and I wonder if he would take that or did he look at this and go well parks is best. We're going to get right now. Yes good point. Vegan restaurant greenspace cafe has announced. It will close its flagship. Sit Down Restaurant Down Ferndale. After four years in business the restaurant says the closure is due to a combination of issues with the building's landlord leases and finances. The last day of business will be February first greenspace open to much fanfare offering plant based menu and a full cocktail bar in a renovated space. The owner is Dr Joel Con Il Cardiologists who has become an advocate for following a Vegan Diet and facebook. Post greenspace said it. Made a measurable Impact Act in terms of animal lives water and Co two saved quote. Alas the healthy plant food market is still tiny if vibrant and growing and end quote the carry out oriented greenspace go fast casual concept on Woodward in Royal Oak will remain open. Then you're the healthiest eater among us by far Jeff some recommendations for those who are left without yeah where to get Vegan in Detroit. Yeah sure do Detroit Vegan soldier Jerry and I have had lunch over there in the West village. Good spot very good very good very very good quality food cacao tree in Royal Oak right next to the railroad tracks down there. Oh I haven't tried that one another really good spot had only been there once But I had a Burrito. There's a lot of raw food on the menu there but it was fantastic a really good fresh food I remember Joe Hakeem from back in the hungry hungry dudes days set me off to that place and I saw a tweet from him that said that he he swore by that place and so I tried it staying in Royal Oak one of my favorite restaurants period period like meat or otherwise is in season cafe. I love that restaurant. I think they do a fantastic job. It's a fairly small menu but they everything they make is just like you can taste the love and the food. It's fresh You know well prepared food very flavorful very tasty head back downtown there save. Aw Aw of course in midtown. I'm all about that general sells cauliflower. Yeah save is safe house good. You know it's the Detroit outpost of a longtime Ann Arbor Vegetarian in staple restaurant. You know it's been in business since the seventy S if I remember correctly also the only recommendation off the top of my head that has a full bark. It's always a good thing you know. I used to be a vegetarian for many years. I was never vegan but I was vegetarian. And you know we're blessed in the Detroit area with a wealth of Middle Eastern restaurants which is a very vegetarian friendly cuisine as is Indian. And there's a lot of good Indian restaurants in parts of Metro Detroit Anyway I think Indian food is is largely vegetarian to begin with and it's super flavorful. Vegetarian food so I don't think that greenspace leaves a you know a a desert or void. Necessarily I haven't been there. My wife was a big fan of have greenspace. I'M GONNA try to get in there before they closed because it has been on my list. I know she's upset about it because she really liked that place. You're talking about Indian food. I gotta give a new recommendation. nationlly recently discovered by me but I have multiple friends. Who Vouch for this place? It's actually in Northville across from the Sheraton out there. All right. It's called Daba Indian cuisine and it is in a BP gas station of all places and it's got a wide variety of dishes there well executed. It's it's a total carry out place. I guess there's a couple couple of chairs that are shared with the gas station. Here's a deal and you know that I love this combination of like the gas station. It's such a Detroit yet. So Detroit the tasty burgers and Dearborn. There's a bunch of places I I just. I is so quintessentially metro-detroit well then if you're fan of that checkout Mr Kebab in Berkeley I'm not sure what the gas station affiliated with is. I've never been there but I've had their food and because a friend of mine's a is a huge fan of it and it is indeed Worthwhile for sure. Mr Kebab in Berkeley Detroit is a desirable place to be. According to a reason. Poll of a thousand Americans a website called the storage space says as they commissioned a poll asking people if they could move anywhere in the country. Where would they move to in two thousand twenty on the list of twenty cities Detroit at number eighteen? And that's is GONNA be right between Albuquerque New Mexico at Seventeen and Bozeman Montana at nineteen which I've learned the intervening time. I finding this out that Bozeman is apparently growing like crazy. Like who knew it must be all the people moving there to be dental floss. Tycoons you ever heard that Frank Zappa Song. Oh my that. The nineteen seventy one. I think seventy seventy one anyway. Now the reason given to move to the city because and this is a direct quote it's perfect for hipsters. I what's what's that mean. I'm not sure. Does that mean that like is that like. Are you counting all people who like pour overs. Because then I think we're both hipsters. What does that mean exactly? I have no idea. I don't know it's Bozeman. Good for hipster sue or Albuquerque. But here's the thing I have learned that in the intervening time facebook commenters do not like hipsters Okay storage space sites greater downtown's low comparative rent to other big cities which although one thousand seventy five bucks is high for most current city residents and let's face it most metro detroiters. It's a bargain for New Yorkers and others who are used to paying a lot more for a lot less in square footage I mean span you and I have both been through New York and other places. Prices are much higher there. I mean you can get a place for certain amounts of money. But YOU'RE GONNA get tiny little tiny little places allow me to introduce myself represented. The rent is too damn high party anecdotally. When I lived in midtown a couple of years ago it seemed like pretty much every new neighbor Svend van? That was moving in wasn't from the BURBS. But and in fact the people who would tour rentals and other places if they were from the burbs normally they would settle on like Grosse Pointe or Ferndale n'dale or Dearborn or something but the folks moving in they were like from New York Chicago. Seattle San Francisco that kind of thing. I know that's like completely legally anecdotal but it just something I've noticed being here and a lot of those folks were moving in for jobs that say quicken or like some people that we know actually they. They were keeping their west or east coast salary and living in Detroit which working. Yeah which gives you a huge economic advantage around here anyway in the story. I got to braise them for shoutouts to stand by skip astro coffee and batch brewing. What I'm about to say is no knock against them? I actually enjoy those places quite a bit. But there's more to the city than just those places I mean. There's like so much more to the city for that like always keep getting written up anyway rounding out the top three on. The list are Franklin in Tennessee. Atlanta Georgia which by the way apparently is good for singles and the top billing goes to high low Hawaii which sounds amazing looking at the multiple inches of snow outside my window right now Atlanta and high low make sense. I have to Google. Franklin Tennessee even is up. That's a new one for me. I'm GonNa Guess Tennessee. It looks like it's a suburb of Nashville. I guess that makes sense. Maybe nationals gotten to to Boozy ooh and and finally the Authority that oversees the T.. CF Center is putting out the call for proposals from artists for a large scale public sculpture in front of the Convention Facility Ludi the Detroit Regional Convention Facility Authority. Art Foundation launched the National Competition for a permanent sculpture. It's offering two hundred and fifty thousand dollars to support the project plus fifty grand for the winning artist. The sculpture would be installed at the main entrance circle drive on Washington Boulevard in downtown Detroit preferred themes would reflect the growth. Both positive changes taking place in Detroit. The spirit of innovation and design or Detroit's global impact proposals will be reviewed by a jury with three finalists invited invited to create a small preliminary model or sketch. It's called him maquette of their designed for final selection. There's a mandatory on-site meeting at T.F. which was formerly known as Cobo Center on March I would a- linked to more information in the show notes fan of all the names that we've done recently the Detroit Regional Convention Shen Facility Authority? Art Foundation is among the most tongue twisting. Try saying that four times in a row or we could just call it. Dirk fast and with that. 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Amanpour: Eleanor Holmes Norton, Martin Luther King III, DeRay Mckesson, Art Acevedo and Nikole Hannah-Jones

Amanpour

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Amanpour: Eleanor Holmes Norton, Martin Luther King III, DeRay Mckesson, Art Acevedo and Nikole Hannah-Jones

"Hello everyone and welcome to poor his. What's coming up? On. Who Will Answer the cry of pain from the streets who will make black lives matter in America tonight? We asked congresswoman longtime. Civil Rights Activists Eleanor Holmes Norton then. Brothers just awful proud. George Bush. The role and responsibility of law enforcement aren't as a VADO chief of police in Houston Texas George Floyd Hometown. He joins US also ahead. The politics of protests with the old guard, and the new Martin Luther King, the third and black lives matter organizer Diriye mckesson. The four hundred years that led to this and every moment like it with Pulitzer, prize winning journalist behind the sixteen, thousand nine hundred project, and you call Hana Jones. Welcome to the program everyone I'm Christiane Amanpour working from home in London. The images that stunned the world is protest roll through more than one hundred American cities since the death of George Floyd a week ago today it was memorial. Day It is the worst unrest in America since the assassination of Martin Luther King Junior in one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, eight, by, then, though the Democratic candidate for President Robert. F Kennedy came out into the streets to calm the terrible tensions, and to speak to hurt an angry black Americans. He also had this important message for the nation that calls itself exceptional. Some Americans. Who preached nonviolence, abroad? Fail to practice it here at home. Some accuse others, variety and inciting riots. have by their own conduct. Invited, them. Indeed when we foreign correspondents cover protests and uprisings abroad from apartheid, South Africa to the fall of the Berlin Wall, the Green Revolution in Iran or the Arab spring we call those they are freedom and democracy movement, popular struggles for dignity and justice, and that is what we are witnessing in America now, so let's discuss all of this from as many angles as we possibly can for the next hour. My first guest is the distinguished congresswoman for the District of Columbia Eleanor. And she's joining me now. Feminist and civil rights leader who took part in the freedom summer of nineteen, sixty four. She was on the board of three fortune, five hundred companies before heading to Congress and she's joining me now from Washington. Congresswoman, thank you for joining us. We have seen the family of George. Floyd plead for non violence and yet say that protests must continue until there is justice. Just give me your reaction to what we're seeing on the streets and what has led to it? has led to. It seems to me. Is. A really an unprecedented of opportunity. That's what I would call it to actually see. Someone killed before your very eyes. That has inflamed the public as never before, and so we find ourselves in the middle of an unprecedented pandemic at the same time that we are saying unprecedented level of demonstrations. because. The public simply cannot understand. How for the first time as they see the police in action? This event could go unpunished. And the punishment that has come forward so far. May Be the best that the police came, and the Lawrey's can do at this moment, but it has not satisfy people who are seeing in real time the killing of a human being. Congresswoman you there. You've been there. You've walked the walk and you have really been on the front lines of this movement. You know. We mentioned obviously what happened in nine, hundred, sixty eight, and what a terrible terrible time of division and death and tragedy! It was in the United States. Did you think back then after nine hundred sixty eight that we would be seeing this today fifty two years later. When I use the word precedent. Advisedly, we had always hoped. That our own demonstrations peaceful often. With a gatherings ahead of time to indicate how we were going to make sure they peaceful would lead to more and more peaceful demonstrations and that we have seen. But The the fact that we now have social media evidence. For the first time has taken protests to a new level were always talking about something that the press. Usually the printed press told us about. Or even folks like CNN had told us about, but always after the fact. What do you do when you are seeing? A killing in real time. And how you make sure that you are having an effect, and that's why we are seeing these demonstrations night after night, and we are also seeing a mixture of people so that we are seeing the traditional peaceful demonstrations alongside people who are taking advantage of the situation. As as as many people know, your own great grandfather was a runaway slave. He escaped the plantation in Virginia. And, clearly, obviously as we said, this has been building for four hundred years, and we've had a black president in the United States. Many people say look that didn't work either and that this is so endemic and so institutionalized that we just don't know what to do anymore. Let me just read you the latest from President Obama. He weighed in today, he said. said. Let's not excuse violence or rationalize it or participate in it if we want our criminal justice system in American society at large to operate on ethical code, then we have to model that code ourselves, and of course everybody is calling for voting, and actually you know claim ownership of their future, but I guess I want to ask you because it's very, it's. Violent protest is quite common around the world as I said in order to. To finally be a tipping point. It's unusual to see it in the West. It's unusual to see it like this. What where do you stand? On some of the. On the nature and the character of these protests. What we're seeing we believe, if for the most part up because we witness these protesters, they are forming our nonviolent protests. What we should be hearing particularly from the president is a call for intelligence forces to find out. Who Be is that is rotating these protests and creating a situation where violent protests occurred and difficult and others like that mixing in under the cloak of peaceful protests. Instead we see the president. Essentially calling every every part of this protests. A mob and decrying all of it. We need this to be explained to the public. As they see the peaceful protests gathering. We need to focus on them. So that we can understand. How did this turn violent? It must have been somebody else some forces. That came in after these people gathered. That's why you need intelligence. That's why you need the United States, which has the capacity to separate the sheep from the chef. To do so and every day to save to the public. This is what we have found, and this is what we're doing to make sure that these protests are in fact. Nonviolent in fact, and instead what we've seen is the president got a president of the United States is as I end this. We don't have anything to do with this governors to which can. We need the intelligence is of the United States to assist the governors of the states so that they can know how to separate people who are interfering with these peaceful protests and most of these protests as you can see with your own eyes, start out as peaceful. In fact you bring up a very important point, and that is that there has been legitimate criticism of the press for only focusing on on on the destruction, and I'm afraid. That is an occupational hazard, but there has been lots of peaceful protests. Lots of non violent. You know gandhi-like. Operations if you like to just absolutely proved that. This is a non violent and peaceful process, so they want to go through, but you mentioned the president, and as you know word of his conference, call with governors has come out, and there is audio of it, and he has. You know basically appeared very rattled. Called Governors Week saying some of them you know should get basically grow a spine as he puts it and dominate the situation, and he also essentially said that. America's a laughingstock. Listen to this not like you to react. took. Let big stuff all over the world. They took. The The police were running down the free silence facing. It was a terrorist. Event they wiped down. You probably captured. You I'm the homes Norton I mean I cover the world and I know that was no laughter around the world, in fact, deep deep concern even from China about what's going on. In the United, states, China has their next to ground, but you know black lives. Matter, said the Foreign Ministry and Human Rights should be protected in the United States. I just wonder you know. The president has not had national address not how to sort of a convocation in order to try to calm tensions and try to foster some unity out of this. What do you expect going forward? How do you expect this national pain? This crisis to manifest over the next days and weeks and months. I don't. I don't claim that no president by himself. Could have quelled would happen when the last few nights I can tell you that I believe that every democratic or Republican president that I have seen would have spoken to the American people by now and that it would have had some effect. There is only one person in the entire world who by himself could have had any effect here, and that is the president of the United States instead. He, said that indeed threaten to use the military that would be unconstitutional and illegal. He called on the governor's as if he had no power, and as if he had no role, we need a president who understands is role and function in the middle of a national crisis which has brought people to the streets all over the world. When have you see? People. In the capital's around the world out on the streets as if they were in the united. States of protesting what happened? in the Floyd matter? We've seen it here in the UK, and as you say, it's happening all over the world solidarity. For for that that that terrible debt and I want to take you back again. Two thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, eight, and just listen to what Robert Kennedy said about about the bedrock of society. Itself needs changing again. This was nineteen sixty eight. We can move in that direction as a country. And greater polarization. Black. People amongst blacks. And White amongst whites. Filled with hatred toward one another. Or we can make an effort as Martin. Luther King did. To understand. And to comprehend. And replace that violence. That stain of bloodshed that has spread across our land. With an effort to Stan. Compassion. And Love. I know you remember that of course was an extemporaneous speech to the people on that terrible terrible night of April fourth, nine, hundred, sixty eight. Do you think congresswoman that y America does enough to join with Black America and put an end to this because we all know that it will not happen if it's just one group. And another group doesn't join. It has to be an all nation project. Very important to note if you look at these demonstrations that these demonstrations are as multicolored as interracial as any you will ever see, it's very interesting that when matters like this sabbath reason that affect African Americans I to be in the streets of course would be african-americans. african-americans word even the first to be on the streets and the sun air in the nation's capital. Where I live, you will see no difference. This had this. Death. This killing. HAS HAS REACHED! The hearts it seems to me the American people. Are and sometimes. If you look at the crowd, you won't even see African Americans. He'll see only why people. It does and I think that reflects the fact that Africa after all. African Americans are only about ten percent of the nation. So, this has been a out common out calling of. People all over our country of every single background. I think which goes to the level of what they have seen for the first time. Videos are exposing us to attacks by police that we owner heard about an about now we've seen it in real time and the American. People are saying we will not stand for it, and the only way we not to stand for it is to come into the streets. I must tell you that I have called for hearings in the House of Representatives, and there are going to be hearings in the House and Senate. This pandemic has kept us where I am now in my home, but I think in the coming days, even from our homes, we will be participating in hearings because the people are demanding to hear from their elected officials. It is not enough to hear from them. They want to know from us. What are you going to do about it? Indeed everybody does congresswoman. Thank you so for joining us. edano homes Norton a now. One of America's leading human rights advocates is in fact, urging people to make themselves heard at the ballot box this November. He would be Martin Luther King, the third son of the civil rights leader who we've just been talking about. And he tweeted about why we're seeing violence. Saying as my father explained during his lifetime, a riot is the language. Language of the unheard for more. We're pleased to welcome Mr King Live from Atlanta and joining him from New York is during mckesson. He's fellow activist and a leading voice of the Black Lives Matter Movement Gentlemen, both of you thank you so much for joining me and really happy to have you both representing the different generations of this struggle, and so I wanNA know I wanna ask you first Martin Luther King the third. You just heard John Homes Northern. You've heard all that we've been saying about your father's assassination. And what might have happened? Had that not happened and not taken place. Do you feel that. This is a moment as Eleanor Holmes. Norton said that in fact the promise of Civil Rights and Equality and justice can actually. Start to be heard in in this moment, because of what happened to George Floyd and the reaction to it. What I would say of course is. If we do not hear and he'd to a call now. The in our nation. is on the brink of. Of Destruction. My father used to say we must learn violence, or we will face non-existence. And what that means is, we have to treat our fellow human beings with dignity and respect. Fifty plus years ago, my father stood with sanitation workers, and they had a sign that said I am the man those men were saying. Treat us with dignity and respect. Yes, we're sanitation workers, but we need to be paid fifty to flush later. Blacks and whites and children. You'll Latinos Hispanics in everyone is standing up sand. black lives matter. Why should we have to be saying that we are human beings and society has not recognized that I believe. That this incident? May perhaps be a tipping point turning point. For our nation to really engage in some serious action institutional. Dad to see the eradication of poverty and my mother I should say racism and he said militarism. Today is virus. We as a human species have the capacity to do these things, it takes a few good women, men, coming together and creating a strategic plan an effort in this context, it may be different policies. and. So yes I believe this might be as the congresswoman stated that opportunity it should have happened already. It's tragic over and over again that we have to keep going through this. But. Enough is enough yet, and it's not. It's clear that people are not gonNA. Take it anymore. Well, this is this is the interesting moment that that that I wonder whether it will lost and be a tipping point so I. wanted to ask you to mckesson. You know you you come from A. Less years activism, and maybe a different view I I said old God and a new God. I don't know. What do you think would do? People on the streets think about this moment might be hope or is it? Is it still sort of just another in this horrible litany? Say Three things I'm tired of hearing about balancing nonviolence. The only valid I have seen in the street is the police. That's the violence. The violence of the police were got us here. You might have seen property damage, but I haven't seen balance from the protest, and so on even that framing. Is Is Really I. Don't get it. The biologics saw picture online of the police officer who shot somebody's eye out. I have a friend who is now permanently blind in one eye, because a police shot her in the author of a book that is violence so I'm not interested in having a conversation about the violence and the pro. There has been no violence from the protesters. There's been property damage and that property will return. Those buildings will be back. Those stores will made whole again Joyce Floyd. Demure Rice when not Mike Brown, not and ricky boy will not. So, that's one the second. Is that the police keep killing people? So since two thousand fourteen, the police would kill more people not less in March of two, thousand, twenty, March and April twenty twenty. They killed as many people as they did. In March and April, two thousand nineteen, no change corona virus quarantine lockdown. Still Keep your people won't even sign. They killed them. That is a problem that is a choice in the third is that this is explicitly about race? We think about Minneapolis in Minneapolis. Black people are thirteen times more likely to be killed. Killed by police officer than white people that is about race in two thousand, fifteen or fourteen police departments at only kill black people that is about race and black people are one point three times more likely to be unarmed. The idea that black people are threatening. The police is a myth in. It's racist myth to enforce a racist actions by racist police departments. This is a choice so when I think about hope. I am hopeful because we learned in two thousand fourteen at the only time people pay attention is where we stand in the street. We tried everything we went to the meetings. We call we email. We testify. People don't pay attention. You see people on the street right now and I'm getting calls all day from like the officials trying to figure out what they do to undo the mess that they didn't have the courage to do for the past six years. And so d'auray. What next then is it about as killer Mike, said in Atlanta over the weekend organizing, strategizing mobilizing planning, plotting it a what next on the street, then what happens especially to those people who you addressing those who haven't done for that US sixteen years. Q. Pronk solution one is reduced power the police. They just have too much power as constituted today, so we track eight things around use of force, and they are simple, but not small, so banning chill colds in strangleholds, requiring officers to intervene if they see officers engaged in misconduct, requiring deescalation, making sure there's a uniform force continuum so that it's really clear these things when all eight a present. Present when a department goes from none of them to eight of them, there's a seventy percent reduction in police violence, and you might think that these are simple, but chill colder, great example, only twenty eight of the one hundred largest cities in America Ban chokehold today. That is wild. You can learn more use-of-force project dot org about those remapping out. The second is that we have to shift. Resources and we have to shrink the role of the police that in America, only five percent of arrests happened for violent crime. We arrest more people for marijuana than we do for all violent crime combined, but we staff police departments. Eighty percent of the arrests are happening for violent crime. We know that we don't need somebody with a gun to come to car crashes to find missing kids to come. When are cats missing? Most of the non one calls for non emergencies. They don't require somebody who is armed intervene. We need a shift all those resources from police departments and put them somewhere else, and then we should have a conversation about doing the police at all for the small set of. That require an intense intervention. We should think about that looks like. Let me tell you the police. The outcomes even on the police side. It's not like they are leading. Some epic decreases in crime around the country in New, York City. The last two times at the police decided. They were going to do into slot. What's called a slowdown? Where they decided that they weren't GonNa make arrests. They were just not going to be president communities. You know what happened. Crime decreased by twenty percent when the NYPD fell back. neighborhoods are not safer because the police are around. Martin Luther King, do you? How do you relate to what duration saying? Well I I certainly believe. In I I would only at a dynamic to what he said because clearly. There, maybe police presence. Of some sort is in order, but in addition to community policing I think the one dynamic that no one is much talking about we. We hear a little bit of it I've been talking about it for quite some time now. Is If there is not the kind of. Result, That people can begin to feel in a relatively responsible amount of time. Then maybe we need to decide to start exercising I buying power elsewhere. My father and his team used boycotting very effectively for three hundred eighty five days. Eighty days folks did ride the buses in Montgomery. the Mont Blanc. West coming out of business. I'm not suggesting that that should be the only thing, but I need to hear Corporate America. Saying this is wrong and we are not going to accept this kind of behavior more corporate. America needs to stand up. Not stand down because when corporate America is engaged, then things happen. The people already said what they want and should get. It shouldn't even be. The one has to demand respect. It should be automatic based on the fact that we human beings, but we have lost our humanity, and unfortunately a lot of the humanity is disconnected because at the top of leadership chain. The president of the United States Hugh Mutates in a way that is divisive and not unifying. We need a unifying message to unify the nation at this time and beyond, and we need to have specific actions that will be taken justice. League purport to take other actions that have created division. We can also newly take actions that create something else and I the. The president needs to dig deep within his soul, and hopefully within his heart. Hopefully somewhere there's a thread of humanity where he can say something differently where people may begin to respond differently, but also I think the corporations have to do something if they choose not to. Then maybe we need to decide to withdraw our economic support of some of these corporations. That is so as refused. I have a dream speech. Yeah I mean the the I have a dream. Speech was also incredibly about economics, and that aspect of it, and what was necessary for for the black community. Some corporations have come out and said. Condemn this and I wanna ask you finally. d'auray, because if this president hasn't said much, certainly the previous president as being saying things. President Obama has said the bottom line. Is WanNa? Bring about real change. then. The choice isn't between protests and politics. We have to do both we have to mobilize to raise awareness, and we have to organize and cost are ballots to make sure that we elect candidates who will act on reform. What do you? What do you say to that? I? Actually just just going to the ballot and the combination of Mr King has just said in terms of economic power and the like and that kind of protest. You know I think those things are interesting. I'm mindful that at the local level mayors governors city council people are too afraid to engage police. I shouldn't have to boycott anybody to make. A mayor decided to ban charcoal. That's ridiculous to me in some ways that like we should be demanding from these people that they show up and go to work in follow through with the commitments that they said they were gonNA. Do and it's that simple to me. This isn't complicated. It's not the role of the president in this. Trump trump so much while stuff, and I don't want him to use him as a scapegoat around the police to the federal government doesn't have a lot to do with policing. It is local eighteen thousand police departments. This is failed leadership at local level. It's a lot of speeches and not not a whole lot of courage, so I think that the demand now for them to do what they know. Know, they can do to exercise the power that they have to do it into. Just do it. I don't think that we need to talk around. We don't need to talk about a boycott I. Don't need you know we don't. We don't need that right now. They're like what we need. Is People already in the streets? In the reason? You're talking to me right now because they're in the streets. So because we are in the street because people all across the world on the street and has gotten people's attention and mayor. City! Council people they need to respond to that and do something that is meaningful. Because they had the power to do it today, they can't punt in the more they punt. The more people are just going to stay in the street. So raise you correctly said you are in the streets, and that's why we're talking about talking to you and I've been doing that my whole career around the world watching as I say, uprisings for freedom and democracy and dignity and justice so what I want to ask you. Is this the family of George Floyd? Just as we speak, came out and said end, the violence bought. You've gotTA. GotTa keep out on the streets key protesting MP's but lock those guys up in other words. They're saying all the rest of the others. The police the three others need to be held accountable like show van was. Is that what you're saying also needs to happen now is that the I guess the purpose of being in the street until that actually happens as floyd family was saying. So. You know you already know how I feel about. Telling pro-death is not to be violent. The violence isn't coming from the The protests is coming from the police, but we think about that solution it is. It is about making sure there's justice and Accountability Accountability that people confuse the terms, but they are similar, but not the same. Accountability is what happens after the trauma justice, the idea that there should be no trauma in the first place, so arresting me officers is good that is that is accountability. But Justice is what you see people in the street for two. They are saying that this has to stop the. There can't be another case in any city at anytime, and until we figure out a plan to get there, I don't know how the unrest ends. 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Is that they want people of Color. Talked about as being dogs and we're bombs, and and my people for as an immigrant were we know what? We built this country. These are strong words and I be speaking to chief as Vado about the road ahead. Welcome to the program chief. Let me just ask you your reaction today. The family of George Floyd is calling for an end to looting. For an end to violence, but to continue protests until there is justice, and until all the officers involved I'll quote unquote locked up I just want to know from your perspective as law enforcement. What you react your reaction to that. Well I I wanted to say that. I extend my deepest condolences to the Floyd Family I've been able to speak with someone. The family members here in Houston, and you know it's represented with Houston's about. Houston's been faring so much better because we have people like the fluid family there where community of faith were a richly richly diverse community, the most diverse communities nation, and I want to thank from the bottom of my. My Heart for showing people for showing the world in any Houston a melting pot of America. We do things differently, which sends a message to those at may want to hijack the memory of of George Floyd. Don't come to Houston trying that nonsense because the police stand with the community in the community, stand with the police in word apartment homegrown that reflects this rich lead diverse community. God, bless them chief Vado I I hear you. I hear you loud and clear and you're absolutely right in their grief. They are doing the right thing and asking for calm and peaceful protests, but I WANNA ask you. You created quite a stir over the weekend because you went out into your very diverse community, and you tried to calm the people, and you had some harsh words for the kind of law enforcement that we saw which led to the death of George Floyd. Tell me where you stand on this explained to us about a little bit about the speech you made. That went so viral. y'All let's let's be real. Clear I wanted to get real clear. Vast majority police officers in this country under thousand and eighteen thousand police departments do if phenomenal job. They served twenty, five thirty thirty five forty years. They never shoot. Anybody ever heard anybody. They serve with honor, distinction encourage, but we still live in a country where we make too many excuses and tolerate mediocrity and tolerate police abuse. There is no excusing a police officer putting his knee, and keeping an on the neck of a Amandus. hancuffed calling for mercy and calling for his Mama. There is no excuse for that and there's no excuse for three officers. Officers sitting there and not intervening as required not just by policy, not just law, but by our conscience we have one and by the God. That was supposed to be following, so we stand with the Floyd family. We stand with our our community of all colors, all races, all creeds, and we are going to stand with them and March with them until they get just as that's what they deserve, and that's what's going to finally bring this kind of stuff. Not Twenty because of human condition is imperfect, and we will always have to deal between good and bad, but it will greatly reduce potential for the stuff happening. Then again, very strong words, we will march until we get justice. You are the police chief of a very diverse city fact I know that it's a majority minority city and I. Part was important for you. Why was it important for you to go out onto the streets this weekend? While been doing this career and been criticized for. Forget. The rage that we're seeing is an example. The fact that our greatest force multipliers police officers in a nation of laws in in a nation where people have rights. We cannot do our jobs if we lose the consent of the people and what we're seeing is that we will lose the consent of the people if injustices like this a continue to happen but B. When they happen, we don't. Don't take the action it needs to be seen. People know really bad policing and criminal police. In when they see, it doesn't require law degree, it requires a common sense, and so it's important for me to be opposite with my community, because I live in this community at care about this community and my number, one hope is that good comes out of George Floyd's death and secondly that. Were responsible this community and we're responsible for protesters that we continue to have the kind of Houston strong mentality that we have here the keep this big Malkin Pot, safe and I and I have every intention of joining my community ensure that nobody comes and tries to hijack the peace and the love that we have here despite the. So you've said what happened in Minneapolis to George, Floyd and everything that's happening there and around the country is a crucial test of your profession. You've you've said that. It's a crucial test of our profession in terms of law enforcement. I need to ask you this because some of the latest news is that president trump is we know has had a conference call with governors, and some of that audio has come out, and we're using it and in it. He says to governors he. He says you're week. He says many of you should be you know not showing this weakness. We're laughing stocks. You need to dominate. You need to dominate. I wanted to ask you not to. If you don't want to comment on the president of the United States, but is the right direction for police today in this environment to go out and dominate and to show that they're quote unquote not week. What is what should the police be doing now to calm this terrible situation? But. Let let me just say this to the president of the United States on behalf. Of the police chief in this country. Please if you don't have something constructive to say. Keep your mouth shut because you're putting men and women in their early twenties at risk this not about dominating, it's about winning hearts and minds, and let's be clear. We do not want people to confuse kindness with weakness, but we don't want ignorance to route to ruin what we've got here. In Houston and speaking for my colleagues across the country where there officers being injured community members are being injured. If you don't have something to say like forrest Gump and don't say it, because that's the the basic tenants of leadership, and we need leadership now more than ever hurts me to no end because we whether we vote for someone, we don't vote for some. It's still. Still our president, but it's time to be presidential and not try to be like you're on the apprentice. This is this is not. This is not Hollywood this real life and realize at risk. And I asked the American people to please join with the police. Stand together. Let's shift this tour. It needs to be to the voting booth. Pay attention to the hearts and of the people that we elect in the reason this stuff happens is because too many people right now in this country that are throwing blocks of bricks and and damage property never bothered vote, so you have a choice. Lift up your voice. Be Hurting the voting booth and continue to March peacefully. So the focus remains on bad policing criminal policing. Let's be real honest. This is not just about policing. It's about society and this disproportionality over the things going on in our country for medication to health to food. Take everything that we are human beings old near and dear so please. Please don't don't react to that and we just hugged one another. The only thing that will happen to overcome hate is love and love and engagement. Let's engage in this what we can control which is our own actions, our own hearts and exercise without fail our right to vote. Police chief as Vado. Those are very strong words, and particularly you are a Cuban immigrants. You came when you were four years old to the United States, and are the police chief, the first such in the city, of Houston so I WANNA ask you. Lastly, there have been reforms. Planned made for instance in Minneapolis. The police force did implement training on implicit bias on mindfulness deescalation crisis intervention. It did diversify the department's leadership. It did create tied to use of force standards. It adopted body cameras in other. It did all this stuff, but it did not work. Chief has a veto. What is it gonNA take how much reform? How many of these? Play books. What is it going to take? LISTEN CUSHION! That's a great question. And here's my my response from a heart. What we're seeing is not just about the death of George Floyd. What we're seeing is their response to not just police, brutality, or seeing as a response to disproportionality of wealth and everything else in this country. Let's not kid ourselves. Unfortunately, policing would put were good. Policing happens which happens every day in our country. It doesn't make the news. Tens of millions of context every year and very dynamic situations. It doesn't make the news. We're the most visible cog of government and when we get it wrong. There's no excuse we can excuse it. We have to accept it, but don't kid yourself into believing that the rage is just because of what happens with police. It's about society from Pre K. Education all the way up, so please, let's let's keep moving the ball. Ball I promise you that the police chiefs are willing to lead. We need police labor union leaders. It's time for them to either step up and be part of the solution or we're just. GonNa have to get elected officials. They be doing what they need to do. which is to do everything we can take weed out bad cops to can lift up the vast majority that are armed professionals and really deserve our support. Well chief has a veto. We thank you and we thank you for leading by example. Thank you for joining us. Now a final conversation this evening with our next guest who says racism is in America's DNA. It comes from the original slim sin of Slavery Nicole Hannah Jones. Spearheaded as we know. The New York Times Sixteen nineteen project, which reframed American history from the moment the first enslaved Africans were shipped over. And Nicole Hannah. Jones is joining us now from New York I'm welcome back to the program. It's the second time we're talking in since this is a started to unfold and I wonder with all that you've seen all the. You've heard not just this hour, but over these last five days of this terrible weekend. Where you think this is heading, has has something happened. That might bring the country. To a new to a new stage to a new tipping point to a new tomorrow. I'm not sure I think it largely depends on how those in power who have. Influence and the resources to produce structural change respond to this crisis that we're in I will say we have not seen this level number of uprisings across American cities for the sustained period of time probably since the mid to late nineteen sixties, so we are in A. Moment whether as potential for great structural reform, but it's it's left to be seen whether that actually occurs. So Martin Luther King. Says Martin Luther King himself said riot is the language of the heard what goes through your mind when you hear those words, and when you see these scenes, and what happened to George Floyd and all the other names that came before him. What goes through your mind when you hear that sentence riot? Hard! What goes through my mind is clearly what he was attempting to address it. which is that people have tried? He's protests. People have tried to rain. These issues to the national conscious have been asking or police reforms, and for resources and investment in their communities, and it's largely fallen on deaf ears, and so what ends happening is You get a spark like this as your last guest said, police are the most visible agents of the state in black communities, and at some point, it becomes combustible We don't pay attention, but we're certainly paying attention now. I guess. What go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead the other thing. Go ahead. Why was just going to say what? What other levers do the Poor's black communities have? They do vote? They do protests, but they do not run the institutions that can actually change their lives, and at some point. They have to use what they have. So in a previous conversation, this hour spoke margin, Luther King, the third and to deray. And there was a difference of view as to actually even violence meant, and d'auray was very clear that the black community is not being violent. The police are that property damage property damage, but it's the police who are being violent against people's bodies, so I wanna ask you because I know you've talked about it and there was this amazing. Piece of video over the weekend where two. People talking one was a sixteen year old. The others were older about the nature of what was unfolding, and about what the young young ones should do, and the older ones were saying. Don't engage in violence. Let's just played and I want us to talk to me a little bit about it. Was that around what? Comes to protect us and we got started. I understand, but let me tell you hear. This. Tell me. What are we? GonNa go by the way. If the United States. If you. Thought. Point I'm on the. So it's intense, because it's exactly what's unfolding the dilemma, what do we do? How do we do it? You sort of said both a right and wrong. Tell me about it. I mean what that is really showing is this sense of helplessness that we are thirteen percent minority in a majority white country. We are descendants of people who were enslaved in this country and so Ultimately, our protest is only as successful as we can convince Americans who actually comply with the constitution and treat a black Americans as full citizens I, think I would not describe looting as violence looting. Is Property damage, but it is not violence and I would actually like to go to Martin Luther King's own words. He wrote a letter to the American Psychological Association in September. Of Nineteen, sixty seven, and what he set is that looting comes from the most enraged and deprived Negro, and allows them to take hold of consumer goods with the ease that a white man does by using his purse often, the Negro does not even want what he takes. He wants the experience of taking. Negroes have committed crimes, but they are the derivative crimes, and they are born on the greater crimes of the White Society, so when we asked Negros to abide by the law, let us also demand that the white man abide by the law and the ghettos as well so I think we need to have some perspective on what exactly we're seeing when we call that violence and looting. I think it's. It's so interesting to hear you say this and it really made me sit up Wendy Rae said it, because this is how it's being framed and I have to say that we are being. Criticized by by some very prominent members of the black community from Lebron James to various people in Congress to all over that, we're focusing maybe on the wrong thing that we go just to one area, and not to the other area with our cameras and lenses and our reporting, and it's really really interesting to try to break it down. I want to say obviously because you are the the producer of the sixteen thousand nine hundred project four hundred. Years Since Slavery in America and you won the Pulitzer Prize for your work on that. And you and you've said you know. Among other things people who've been left out of the social contract find no need to adhere it, and then somebody sort of you know checked you on that, and said not left out excluded from the social contract, and you kind of agreed. You agreed with with being. Term checks so to speak on that. Absolutely I mean this is the thing you are asking. People who community have been looted or decades who don't have proper schools who don't have proper amenities who have been you know when we see someone killed by the police that is the worst manifestation of police violence, but it doesn't get to the daily police violence that doesn't end in death, the daily degradations that black-americans phase of the fact that these communities have been appraised on Bhai predatory lenders. You know it goes on and on, and so when we when we think about how someone taking an act to take something from some big box name store It is symbolic that one pair of shoes that you've stolen from. FOOTLOCKER is not GonNa Change Your Life, but it is a symbolic taking, and so when we think about what the social contract was, and who created it. It is that if you follow the rules. If you do the right things, then you will be able to access and. And that has never been true for black Americans particularly for the lowest income MO- segregated black Americans, so you cannot a regularly not include them in the social contract regularly violate the promises that this country makes to Americans and then at this moment in time say well you should abide by the laws and the rules of our country. Because that's the right thing to do. There's no reason to expect that that people who have regularly been left out well. Comply with this right now. And so building on that back in two thousand sixteen, you wrote an essay called the grief that White Americans can't share for years ago. What is that grief? In this country, White Americans are raised to think of themselves as individuals, and they have been allowed for four hundred years to be individuals, but black people are a collective. We our collective, because by virtue of being signed the race of black. What we were and we're not able to do legally what circumstances we would live in what schools we could go to what neighborhoods we could live in what jobs we could have were all constrained by our membership in a race and to this day we see incidents. It doesn't matter how much education you have. It doesn't matter what type of job you have. You are treated. As, a black person in this country, which means your rights can be violated at any moment, and so we see this as a collective pain, these are not individual incidents of rogue cops. This is a continuing pattern of violence against black Americans and even though I. Don't know George Floyd he's like a family member. I know that what happened to him could happen to my uncle. It could happen to my cousin, and that is the grief. I think that is very difficult for white Americans to feel. Maybe they have felt it in. Incidents like nine eleven were there was this kind of collective grieving, but that is our regular experience that collective grieving for the desecration of black life is a regular daily experience for black people in this country. So important to hear from you and this whole hour. Hearing about what's happening and what needs to happen in the future Nicole Hannah Jones. Thank you so much for being with us. And finally in dark and painful times like these we wanNA swerve a little, but we wanna give thanks to those who bring light and joy and hope. For a lifetime of doing just that the great artists, the mega performance artist Christo has died, he died over the weekend of natural causes. He was eighty four years old, and he was famous for rapping iconic monuments and landscapes in reams of colorful material. He fled Communist, Bulgaria in nineteen, fifty, seven during the Cold War and he spent fifty six years in the United States. States where he created some of his best known works in one, thousand, nine, hundred three, he surrounded eleven islands off the coast of Miami with pink fabric. It looks like a Mirage blowing in that bluewater in two thousand and five, he mounted thousands of Orange Gates in central park in New, York that took twenty six years to get permission from the city, but perhaps. Perhaps. One of his most powerful and important works, particularly in this context was taking a symbol of tyranny and oppression, the Nazi era. Rush Tag, Berlin and wrapping it in one hundred thousand square meters of soft cloth tomorrow, the emergence of a new democratic and Free Germany when I spoke to him when I spoke to Christo during his London Exhibition. He told me that is. Is used under violent and harsh Soviet communism towards him, never to concede not one millimeter of his freedom, and we can see that happening on the streets of the United States today, those were powerful words them and their powerful. Now that's it for us. You can always catch US online on our podcast and across social media. Thank you for watching and goodbye from London.

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"Holy sweet mother of God Chit. Hello. Hello. Hello. What what how you doing? By. Hope. No one's eating dinner. The next best thing every Monday night from ten until midnight on Radio Free Brooklyn fun for everyone except for dear Jesus seven-night that holy sweet mother of God it is ten o'clock on a Monday night. So you know, what that means is it time for your favorite show ever. But it is time for the next best thing. I'm your host Jonathan be learner keeping you company every Monday night from ten until midnight. Right ear on Radio Free. Brooklyn. Can you hear me one second testing one two three r yon great any who let's do the housekeeping that we always have to take care of? Let's just get it out of the way right off the top. You can tweet at us. We are at next best radio. That's at next radio or go ahead and like us on Facebook, follow us on Facebook. A lot of stuff gets posted on our Facebook page stuff. We talk about in any given episode information links pertinent sites. 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So that's all the housekeeping. I can think of right now, if I forgotten anything, nobody Cass, nobody casts. Nobody Cass good. We have to talk a little bit about the week. That was personal news. The personal story segment the pillow talk if you will this is actually chapter two to this saga because my story started two weeks ago when I told someone that I wasn't sure they asked me if I was going to support Kamla Harris when I said, I wasn't sure because we're still almost too goddamn years out. They actually accused me of being a sexist on the spot moth now, obviously, this is a genius point. Because here I am someone who supported. Hillary and oh eight supported Hillary and sixteen campaign hard for her still to this day stand up for her and fight back against her detractors. But sure because I said, I wasn't sure as to whether or not I was going to support hickama Harris. Clearly, I must be a sexist dumb ass because what else you know, what other explanation could there possibly be exactly. So here's chapter two. The other night. I saw that someone a very smart lawyer a an editor for above the law posted that Joe Biden had called Mike pins decent and he said, oh, wow. White liberals is this what you're going for while. I'll just sit here, and, you know, watch watch you guys destroy yourselves, and I responded with ex well, I responded with exactly how I felt. I said you're too smart to say something so stupid. Do you really think that calling so indecent kind of you know, as a whatever comment? Do you really think the calling Mike Pence decent is disqualifying for Joe Biden, who we all know? Well, you guys the wrath that sparked, you know, if it wasn't so crazy, it would be funny. But it was so God damn crazy that it wasn't funny. See how that works. I swear to God that my post might tweet saying that Joe Biden calling might Mike Pence decent shouldn't disqualify him from the democratic nomination. So in raged, a supposed-, and I say suppose it because I haven't confirmed this, but a self proclaimed constitutional law, professor, what are you talking about? Yeah. A constitutional law. Professor, my tweet my innocuous unsubstantial tweet so enraged a constitutional professor that he declared. I was a misogynist anti gay condescending, a bully ironic, and I was pro conversion therapy. What what can I say? The guy knows me. No. But really get him. Some fuck help series the guy. I was so relentless so self righteous so obnoxious, and so convinced that I really was somehow condoning he actually that I was convicted donating violence against gay people. He was so convinced of this that I actually had to block him. Now. This is important because I swear to God in all of the years that I've been embarrassed to be on Twitter. I've blocked maybe three people in one was on accident. I don't block people. I really don't I've been attacked before. I've been trolled before whatever I'm not on Twitter enough to care. But this guy I was getting he was just so relentless that I had to block him. Now. This was a professor of constitutional law. I don't aware teaches. I don't know if teachers, but if he does though students would be in better hands with all state. People are fucking nuts. And I can't even deal with it. Okay. Let's talk quickly about what's going on in the news. And in the world. Okay. You're listening to the next best thing. Here's what's making news tonight. Last Wednesday before Michael Cohen started his congressional testimony. Donald Trump was in north excuse me was in I guess Vietnam with Kim Jong Hoon the leader of North Korea. It was a sickening display now, look, I don't claim to be an expert on foreign policy or even world history. But I know that North Korea is a regime that tortures their own people. They are in a bizarre world cut off from the rest of the world. And I know that the leaders Kim Jong Il Kim Jong Hoon, whoever the father of Kim Jong Il buzz are brutal and tyrannical and evil. Donald Trump who like it or not we do have to call our president right now sat there next to one of the most brutal evil dictators in all the world. In acted like he was on some press tour for the celebrity apprentice, he was asking dumb ask questions like everyone. Having a good time. If whenever you get good time. Great photographer right there. One of the best. Good stylist. Yeah. Grabber by the pussy at one point. He said to the press gaggle, our relationship is a very special relationship. He was talking about him and Kim Jong Hoon. The brutal dictator of North Korea. Again, don't claim to be an expert on foreign relations. But sitting there in my apartment in watching this it really made me upset. I mean, it really made me sick and kind of ashamed here's what a political commentator on CNN had to say immediately after he felt the same way. I did. Yeah. I mean, this is stunning. I, and you know, everything else is going on. We shouldn't lose this. He used the word special relationship. Remember, our oldest ally in the world. The u k talks about a special relationship. He is sitting next to a murderous thug. A guy who killed his half brother a guy who starves his country a guy who threatens to kill millions of South Koreans and points nuclear weapons, and he is treating him like he's a personal front. I it's a again, we'll lose this because Michael Cohen will will sort of pave. You know, the new cycle. But it is absolutely stunning that he would sit there and give this credibility to that. Man. It was for the second time. This was the second stupid summit the they've shared. There is a reason that past presidents have not sat one on one with the brutal dictators of North Korea. You don't want to give them that credibility. He's done it because he's a fucking dumb ass dumb has material all the way. Okay. You're listening to next thing on Radio Free Brooklyn. That's about all I can stand to talk about it. And so we're going to take a quick break. And when we come back, we will welcome in Johm s Vado current vice president of the Brooklyn young Republican club. You're listening to the next best thing on Radio Free Brooklyn. Right. If he Brooklyn is a five one c three nonprofit organization whose mission is to provide a free and open platform to our community and promote media, literacy, education, and free expression. We relied primarily on donations from this nurse like you. So if you'd like to support our mission, so we can continue to bring you quality community radio. We invite you to make a one time donation or monthly pledge Radio Free. Brooklyn dot org slash donate. You can donate as little as a dollar. And every cent helps helps us to continue to stay on the air. So please please help support independent community media by pledging whatever you can afford. And remember our is five a one c three nonprofit. So your contribution is tax deductible to the fullest extent of the law. Again, that's Radio Free. Brooklyn dot org slash donate. This is the next thing. All right. So as promised we have Joel Vado born and raised in sunset park Brooklyn joined the army national guard in two thousand fourteen in this current vice-president soon to be president of the Brooklyn young Republican club and the founder of the sunset park Republicans. Joe thanks so much for coming all the way. And now thank you for having me. I appreciate it. So tell us a little bit about your group. How many people are in what's like the mission and the objectives. So Brooklyn Republican club each administration has a different direction. They want to go. We have right now about thirty thirty thirty five paid members and growing hopefully within the next year by twenty twenty Moby do will this ministration of that. I'm going to take over from with. They've been doing has been more community outreach diversity going into black and Latino communities especially outside of bearing age, which is the Republican safe. Haven right and going into kadarshian things like that. And my direction has also when I also that. But also change the narrative of what it means to be a Republican, especially as a young millennial and today's age, what is the so the Brooklyn young Republican club. What's the what's the age cutoff as a young thirty nine? They're doing. Okay. Well, so it's. Yeah. In all the young and older young. Yes. I the last age of the spectrum in the beginning. So each in the thirty nine that's that's good. So okay. So one thing people wanted meet ask you as how can you have Puerto Rican background, but you're born and raised in Brooklyn. So how can a young Hispanic guy who has born and raised in New York City, be Republican basically, can you talk a little bit about how? And when you came to adopt, the Republican party, what about it appeal to you and one so it was kind of in high school. I I've always had this type of ideas, kind of like always had conversation about politics and religion. And all these great things, and I'm a theater kid. So. I've always been involved in theater and learning from different downers background in history. I loved history. So my ideas, always stemmed from like, I always believe in smaller government and pretty much. I didn't want government in my life. And but I I was registered democrat. They was a democrat. And yeah, yeah. I was a democrat by I guess by the fall, my parents, my parents, my family were involved in politics. But I was a democrat. 'cause I thought that's what I was. And then I when joined after high school joined the Anthony Weiner campaign, and I was a turned, you know, not beating Terry. I joined the campaign just to get my feet wet and that went downhill, but I kind of grew backbone from from that campaign. So you can imagine I became a Republican actually in college when I joined, and it was more effective show still finding myself, and I joined both the democratic club and the Republican club trying to figure out like what is going on like who Emma? Let's pretty much that in the Democratic Party kinda like shun me away 'cause I had views that didn't line with them. And they kinda were like, well, you know, that's just wrong. And you're you're can't believe that you believe in them and the Republican party club. Embrace me. Do you remember which views those words, it was more of government, and like, for example, health care, and it was how much government control there was and it was taxation and more like, I guess I had more of a form my foreign policy was definitely different different. And that was that was that. And and they shunned you, that's I mean, they show. Earned me really to be there though. This is the the students in that group. Yes. Okay. So it's you know. No, it's on. Yeah. I don't I don't kind of like, Jane, a broad brush or anything first impression. Yeah. Do matter and the Republicans were pretty center, right? And I can have like libertarian type field. And I just went along with it an kind of found a home that's pretty much what that was in an op-ed you wrote last December for the Gotham gazette, titled rebooting, the Republican party New York City, you say that in order to broaden the Republican appeal, quote, we need to revisit George W Bush's compassionate conservatism. Now, some people including some Republicans I've seen kind of criticize that term only because they say it's like a great marketing slogan to appeal to middle like swing voters. So what does it mean to you? Can you give an example of what you mean by compassionate conservatism? Yeah. I think we'll compassionate. Conservatism is pretty much getting away from these attacks style. Demagogue Trumpian rhetoric that we've been using and we can have a conversation about immigrants, right? We have a conversation about immigration reform undocumented immigrants, the legality of illegal illegal can have a conversation. But we don't have to demonize people what we're doing it. And one thing I had said was that even George H W Bush, George senior said while he was debating in the presidential election. He would not wanna have six and seven year olds who are here undocumented feel like they're don't belong in this country, and that type of rhetoric resonates with a lot of young people today. I think young people were just more sympathetic and empathetic and just wanna do good. So right. No. I mean, George H W Bush. Will he actually one of his big campaign attacks was that he was a wimp because and I mean by other Republicans? Yeah. Because he was like I mean, like he has his record whatever. But I mean, he was pretty like a good guy. And I'll be attacked saying that just like Joe Biden was attacked for saying that Mike Pence is decent. But, but you know. Yeah. My only thing with that is like when it's George H W Bush. I mean, even Ronald Reagan who in terms of economic policy, you can we have our disagreements, but he always was I mean, he's on film saying like, no one should be. He's off he was off Ramsey ios, four amnesty. And he also supported a program where if you had if you say, for example, you were in Jamaica, right? And yet parents or assembling somebody who lived the United States. You can sponsor a family member to come into the United States where he was. I mean, he's on film talking about, you know, look, if they're here working paying taxes, why would. Why would we want to send them away which just true it costs money to deport people? And if they're paying taxes, you're literally choosing to spend money because they're making money. Yeah. I think the thing with that is you know, it's economic problem to labor problem when it comes to immigration because you have a undocumented immigrants here. Whether you're they're criminals are not they're not going anywhere unless you have a complete force, and you force them out. It's just not happening. I think that we need to look at. These undocumented people, especially dreamers in say, hey, they don't have to get citizenship. But they shouldn't live with the fear game the ported if when the one they were brought to this country with no fault of their own and to they tried to do the right thing. I go to school with those who are undocumented who are dreamers, and they one of my closest friends, and we shouldn't we should grant them at least, permanent residency or right? But how do you reconcile that with the, you know, I don't want to say mainstream because Donald Trump's not mainstream. Really? But the, you know, he's the standard bearer, and it's built a wall. Get him out bad Hombre, his and stuff like that. It's kinda like, well, we'll get to that. Well, I in the same because okay because in the same bed, you talk about reaching out to minority communities refocusing party priorities on bipartisan issues, and quote, quote, if that means adopting some liberal ideas or compromise. In order to codify, a kinder, gentler society. Then that's exactly what we should do. Now. I love that. And I agree. But when I try and think of a Republican, but I would say Republicans specifically because you say adopting liberal ideas when I try and think of a Republican running nowadays on that message. It seems a little farfetched. Don't you think that? Well. Yeah. Unfortunately, I mean, for example, you had the public advocates rates with our Coleridge running as on was non-partisan, but he's a Republican and he considers themselves a Rockefeller Republican, ROY. So a lot of things he's very kind of like the as fiscally conservative, socially, the beret. That's the main main cusp of him and the idea of the liberal values. What I really meant by that is we need to start agreeing on the issue. Right. Democrats liberals have took taking control of issues that matter and are very important, for example, income inequality income inequality is. Rampant. As is the worst in all in the entire world. And income inequality is the catalyst to increase in suicide rates drug, a drug abuse and infant mortality, and all these things and the Democrats, although the policies I disagree with. But they're on the right side of the issues will right. And and also I'm sitting here you're talking about like not stripping children from their mothers. Yeah. I mean, you know, like, right. Well, okay. But I do I wanna play a clip from one of my favorite shows ever. But it's touches on exactly what you're talking about in that quote. It's from the newsroom, you've probably heard of that. Oh, I love your show the newsroom, but it's I mean it. Yeah. It's where the character. Played by Jeff Daniels describes the difference between Republicans like honestly, you and some of those who are now leaders in Washington. So we'll take a listen and talk on the other side. I'm what the leaders of the tea party would call a rhino Republican in name only, and that's Roenick because that's exactly what I think about the leaders of the tea party because the most conservative Republicans today aren't Republicans Republicans believe in a prohibitive military. We believe in a common sense government. And then that there are social programs enacted in the last half century that work, but there are way too many costing way too much that don't and we believe in the rule of law and order and free market capitalism. The tea party believes in loving America. But hating Americans d party congressman Allen west of floor. I must confess when I see anyone with an Obama bumper sticker. I recognize them as the threat to the gene pool they believe in loving America. But hating it's government conservative activist Grover Norquist at one government. I simply want to reduce it to besides right? Could drag it bathroom, and drown in the bathtub, and they believe that anyone who disagrees with the tea party has sinister anti American motives, the objective of the liberal. Destroy this country objective of the liberal is to make America mediocre. Most of all you must never under any circumstances. Seek to reach a compromise your opponent or do any of what Democrats genuine Republicans both call governor Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell, our top political priority over the next two years. Beta deny President Obama, the second term and one other plank in the tea party platform if you're poor. It means you're either too lazy or too stupid to be rich. All right now. Well, the newsroom was a fictional series. All of those quotes and soundbites are real. So you know, what is your sponsor that because specifically in your do talk about compromise? Which by the way, I'm all for you can't get to people not to mention to parties in a room, and they're going to be on everything. So you have to compromise, but it has become this this dirty word. So what is your response to that? Aaron Sorkin is definitely one of the greatest writers of our generation. So well, even. One. Today's in today's context, you can replace tea party were maga- in the maga- movement. And I think that I agree with everything that the clippers said about being a Republican or a conservative, but conserve you don't have to be conservative Republican. I just wanna throw. Apparently, you don't have to be concerned. Oh, you just said that. Yeah. Or the public and to be a conservative. Yeah. Either or either with Tom, and I mean, I don't know what he is. He's a populist. That's that's why is he Trump has the Republican party has a battle within itself right now. Just like what the tea party? But now is the maga-, but magazines associated with one person versus the tea party, which is was a group of people who had an ideology right now when Trump is gone, which the report is not taking control of this vacuum about what are we going to do? And the thing that's happened. The Democratic Party is at the there's a generational war going on between the younger generation like Akasa Cortez and in the old guard, and we have yet to see that in the Republican party. Maybe as the maga- movement that's doing that. Maybe after you're gonna create a sort of civil war in the Republican party. But we need to start getting with the program because the Republican party will cease to exist, and it will pro is. We will be one of the most that was being American tragedy. Well, do you because I was going to it's funny because you were talking about the tea party versus I was going to point out that the newsroom actually ended its run in two thousand fourteen. So all of that rhetoric was pre Donald Trump, which is it's funny because I have to say, you know, we we think so much of all this craziness is a result of Trump. But it kind of started a little perform with the demonization, and then obstruction I will say like Alabama, and he gets actually criticized especially now, he did go into his first term thinking he could be kind of a bridge. And I can understand why. Especially after that big response that you received now, but then his was called such a socialist. And blah, blah, just because that's the buzzword hardly hardly associate president, President Obama was definitely singer st-. I mean, he was. The centrist listener left. Yeah. I know. But the thing is a lot of his policies didn't really benefit, you know, minority communities like in the black and Hispanic what belong DACA? Well, besides DACA. I mean, you he pretty pretty much doing the same thing. He did at the board of that Trump is doing with the separation of kids, you know, mama. You know? Well, that's well, that's one thing. That's interesting because he was deporting a lot of people which Trump said, he wasn't exactly. And that's the thing that that's the disconnect. Right. We have an actually in the newsroom in the beginning. The first episode. You know, we belittle information we belittle on intelligence, which is unfortunate. You know, if the facts are on your side shouldn't run away from you should embrace it. And you know, I had his funny because I had told one of my friend. I wasn't CPAC couple of days ago when you were there. I was there. And it was the worst thing ever. And had said look we need to start looking. Solutions and you don't have to like I said you don't have to agree on the solution. But agree on the issue and to beyond chew if for example, Medicare for all the goal is to make sure people have affordable healthcare. You should not be going be have to die. Right and people are in or lose a home because you have to pay medical bills. I think that's just morally wrong, right? And we need to fix that and unnecessary and unnecessary. And if if the the Democratic Party Medicare for all any came out, we're gonna have Medicare for all. You know, not gonna raise taxes or might do something else. And they were able to do it without causing a big deficit. And and you know, blow blow the debt I would to. Hey, you know, then it makes sense. Let's let's consider it would he say now about the fact that the debt which is another thing that's like the Republicans are were the party of tax cuts, but also raining in the net. It's now ballooned like crazy, and we don't have university here. There's really been beside there's been a tax cut and the debts blown up. So it's kind of like, well, wait if we're going to pay more taxes at least, maybe get healthcare. I don't really is actually more to that. Because you have you have tax cuts bloated deficit loaded debt. Then you have over the past couple of decades less regulation on now. Regulation less rules on capitalism in the sense where. You have these big banks who, you know, can do whatever they want. They can pay zero Amazon just pay zero taxes. It's insane. And you have well. But isn't that a public thing like for Asia, India, Republican, I it's the thing is is that you know, government is good for something government is there to present to provide equity in quality for all right? That is not. That is not socialism government is not socialism having a government and. This provide the necess- the necessary tools for a person in America to do what they want to do in life. You know, I write Theodore Roosevelt busted up the banks, and because capitalism was running amok. And it would have destroyed the economy and the power of the few would have taken control of everything so happened. He broke up the banks. Well, so after okay. So after George Bush when there was the crash, that's when you know, look, I'm not the biggest I like, Elizabeth Warren. But, but if there's one thing that I do think she knows a lot about gates the financial sector because that's what that is her expertise Republican will end she when she taught at Harvard about the split. She was on the board of the consumer protection agency or something like that. Elizabeth Warren, chairman of the oversight committee that is tasked with scrutinizing how the treasury department has spent seven hundred billion dollars to shore up our failing financial institutions, so she knows about that. And after the crash you, gee, that's when she ran. She came in in the that's when the regulations kind of ramped up because there hadn't been none and led to the crash now they're taking them away ten years later because what could possibly go wrong. Nobody remembers what happened in two thousand eight one thing. We'll government does government supposed to do is provide rules, right? They have rules and laws in which capitalism can operate right? Right. And right now, what we're doing is kind of getting rid rid of all these regulate regulations and laws because of the fact that congress is bought by big money. Both Republicans and democrat started cl- started with Reagan, you know, and they're both sides to blame. And being a Republican. You're supposed to be for the for the working class. She's supposed to be for the middle class. Right. And the middle class is going to be gone. Gonna got. I mean YoM already gone that gets going to be twenty five percent of jobs. Labor force is going to be gone on extent fifteen years because of automation like that's that's a big deal. Well, when you talk, okay. So when you talk about taxation would you because now we have like. Here Bernie say it all the time. Like the one percent has. And there is you know, there's the really really rich the almost poor and the poor. You know what I mean? Now, the idea that being rich is being bad. I don't think that wealthy people aren't Hanley evil or greedy or corrupt. I really don't. But when you get past like, Michael Bloomberg. For example. I think his net worth now is like forty three billion dollars. And he's not even among the top five ridges and the world you couldn't spend forty three billion dollars in your lifetime. If you spend a lifetime trying to spend four hundred billion dollars. So like, you try we could try, but like if so if you text the top of that to give our no healthcare. So it's not about taxation. It's about how and how much do you know what I mean? It's not yet. I with with that point is as far as taxation is concerned. It's a matter of the fact that they don't pay their taxes because of the fact that governments involved. Right or or government makes them so they don't have have to yet. But either way government is involved some in some capacity. So that say we have a thirty five percent tax free on the top bracket right now that most of them don't pay that they pay close to seventeen because they have all these deductions and exemptions. And all these great things, right. Which that's part of the reason why I mean, there's no need for for what for all these exemptions and deductions, and well, they're meant to help small businesses and whatnot. I mean, it's not that. There's no reason to have deductions and whatnot. But it's that people individuals abuse them, you can have tax system. But make sure they pay that thirty five percent if you wanna cut to twenty percent, make sure they pay the twenty percent, but that's the that's pretty much the the lemon, and you know, divide. Read the taking the money from the tax right from the wrist of fun of program. Right. For example. Let's say universal pre-k. Right. But sorry, I just want to jump in really quick before you jump into that. I don't see it as taking money from the rich to fund a program eight, you know, it's taking money from citizens. Everybody is taxed some people can afford to be taxed more. But go ahead. Universal pre-k is a great program to do. Because of the fact that one you're benefiting education the way that the if from zero to three that's where the prime learning of a kid is and on top of that helps eat working class families, especially in black and Hispanic communities who worked two jobs who can now have free, you know, pre K, and they will to learn and then it will grow in education will be much better than better. That's not socialism. I don't think that's socialism. No. Okay. Think of it this way, let's say we work in the office together. And it's our bosses birthday or something. Or actually, you know what I can make it even simpler, screw forget. What I just said, let's say I'm going out to dinner with a group of friends, and I just got this huge promotion at work. And so I know I'm feeling good right now. I know that I'm making more than they probably are at the moment. I'm happy to treat them to a night out because I can I mean, not every night necessarily. But in this moment, I know that I can afford it more so than they can. So I'm happy to do it. Now. I know it's not a perfect analogy. Obviously the country of America is made up of many citizens and not everyone is friends fine. But it is the same idea in the sense that certain people can afford to contribute more, and we are all one nation. We are all one country. And so frankly, if you can afford to contribute a little more. Why when we need it. Why not because that to me is kind of idea of like when it's like have a flat rate of taxes for everybody. Will that's crazy? I mean like people who are struggling to put their kids through pre K and work three jobs. They would be harder. It'd be harder for them to pay a thirty percent tax rate as a wood for Mike Bloomberg. And he's he knows that. So so that's why I was like, so what do you think the tax rate should be or like the Texas? I mean, that's a complicated question. But I mean, there are several ways you can go it I with the flat tax rate. It makes sense. If you look at it from all, right? Ten percent of a thousand ten percent ten thousand the person's paying ten thousand pays more in taxes, and you know with the progressive tax. It's pretty much the same thing the richest oh paint more. And but the main, but the core issue is government deductions and exemptions for the rich. And that's the core issue. Like that is the reason why we don't get any of our revenue is once we give it of that issue. Then we can talk about what's that exact tax rate, my personal opinion. I kind of been dabbling on this thing called the fair tax where you kind of get rid of the income tax and create a national sales tax. And with that it provides kind of like a prebaked, but the prepacked call universal basic income. But a supreme bait you call it them. I call it that but the very liberal. I know put the Bill is called the prepay. So basically, you get certain amount of money to the poverty level. The how many kids you have. And you get a certain amount of money to pay for basic necessities. Right. So basically, your first the basic necessities, you won't be paying sales tax on, you know, and that's pretty much the, but you get that every month. But when you buy stuff, how will they know you're like, if it's just like, it's just getting back your money, and you're supposed to use that for basic necessities. But in the bills, but governor Huckabee champion, and when he ran for president, but they call it a pre bait, it would make sense if you just call it, you know, what it is. Universal basic income. But with some, you know, Bragman to win some comments some logic. Well, okay. So I I don't I don't think you were Trump supporter. But, but regardless what do you say because I know that you know, the articles or they opted you've written whatnot are very and thanks to a lot of what he's says. Listen leeann stands for. So what do you say to those who claim that the geo part GOP is officially the Trump party? The correct it really this is the Trump without tonight. But I know Republicans some of whom we know we both known who refused to admit that. No, it is the Trump party. And here's the thing. That's great. I mean, it'd be candidate because. Well, no, I it sounds it's case candidate. But it's also real and just kind of let's call it. What it is. It is. And here's the thing with the Republican party needs to do because Trump is not a conservative Trump's not a Republican Trump is Trump and one thing we need to take care. Of is when he's gone. What are we gonna do? So do we stick with our core principles? Or do we go along with the maggot Trumpism we have to figure that out and the only way you can figure that out is with the new generation young Republicans to start saying, hey, this is what we need to do. Because. This going to be a battle between you seeing in the democrat party being a I'm I'm waiting for it to happen in the Republican party. I'm waiting so that, you know, the younger generation could come out and say, hey, this is wrong. This what we need to do. But a battle. I will say, you know, being on the other side. It's it's one thing to kind of have a passing the torch, the younger generation openly excited and willing to learn from the older generation, and then they take over leadership. That's I think that is effective when it's the young versus the old, and we want to house the old and they don't want to go yet. And then that kind of tears the party part from within like when they wanted to there was that stupid talk of ousting Nancy Pelosi just to oust Nancy Pelosi. She had just one and she had helped lead the biggest surge of Democrats Democrats seats ever and people wanted to there because she's old and here, we are the party of, you know, all accepting and all whatever. But let's out this old woman for no reason. So like, you know, it's I'm all for the moving on the. Generational change. But I'm not necessarily for change for change's sake. But having okay, so have you recognized the Republican party as the party of Trump, and you personally disagreed with a lot of what he stands for. So how do you reconcile that? How do you say, I'm a Republican? And it's the party of Trump you as you're, you know, you're probably I the thing is is that with young Republicans and have conversations with a lot of them, especially in Brooklyn. And even around the the in New York a lot of them are very centre-right. A lot of them are very libertarian esque and many of them that I know agree with Trump distri out a loyalty, even young ones young out a loyalty for the party because the party a national level has have this idea that Trump is them is the way to win. It might be the way to win right now because the polarization of party, so. Well, it's like you were saying Trump is not a conservative or Republican east Trump. So it's the way to win for Trump. Yes. And let's be clear here because this is one thing that I do think it's lost in the conversation. Sometimes he barely why? I mean, he lost the electoral season. He lost the popular vote by a lot and those states that he won that barely different fairly. Yes. So you could have been an anomaly who knows who knows what we'll see where thing that Republicans needs to do and is really start picking out. What Trump does and use it for themselves or throw it away. For example, the state of the union, I thought it was a great speech. What are you nuts? Besides the rhetoric with the immigration, but overall, a great speech and one thing he he sounded very liberal in a way he gave. The pathway to look to to gather support for specific issues and solutions, for example, when he came on and said, I want to I wanna push Pammy family paid leave. Republicans should be over that Republicans in blue states should be all over them. And they just dropping the ball. They literally dropping the ball. So why do you think Republicans have taken such a passive non-existent role in kind of reining him in like why he's going to do what he wants? But you're talking about like he is kind of destroy. He's potentially destroying the party. Like, why don't they do something? I mean, like even people who are against his nomination like Paul Ryan. And almost everybody suddenly fall into line and just kind of sit back and let him do his thing. Well, one thing is because right now, you're seeing kind of like a pushback in a way, it's very small be seeing push back. But the reason why a lot of Republicans aligned with Trump is because Trump in the these districts bring out a voter block that they otherwise couldn't bring out, but who are the hook up over block of who own to you know, let's educated. Well, let the voting the voting block for Trump Beverly came out was those who didn't have a high school degree, okay, right mess kit. I don't say I'm not saying they're dumb or anything. I'm saying people who graphic feed into his they're bringing drugs they're bringing crime. They're rapists. He took me his incendiary rhetoric. It's demagoguery at is that as best. I mean, you're inciting what you're doing is. And whether he's a master genius of it or not, but he's inciting this this prejudice in this country has always been there. It's always there, you know. But it was always kind of like people knew that it was like, oh, you know, I might have these feelings about people black people, whatever. But I know that like these are frowned upon. So I'll kind of try and keep them to myself. Yeah. Then he goes on TV that ringing drugs, they're bringing prime their, rapists. And suddenly, he's spouting. All this kind of hateful rhetoric incidents like well, if he can do it. I can that's irony and his social media is that platform is well. And it's scary. You know like to bring out that action. Does not exactly what we want to be. Yeah. Yeah. And we should be calling out on both sides any type of racism, anti semitism or anything like that. Yeah. And it's not. But I mean, let's be honest. You really don't see that much on the democratic side as 'specially comparatively. I the thing with the Democrats is that, you know. They're hypocrites. We I mean, look Democrats have their own problems. But it is tough to hear a Republican said that Democrats are hypocrites when Republicans the party of reducing the debt elect Trump and allow the debt to bloom as we've never seen it balloon before they're the party of family values and yet they're ripping children from their mothers at the southern border. You know, Bernie hates billionaires, but he doesn't hate Mexicans feelings. The thing is is that I I'm a big believer that rhetoric matters in what you say matters. Right. And the thing with Trump is when he gave that speech, I saw the speech, and I kind of looked at that in a way when I when I first when he first announced and with the the launch beach lawn speech, and I looked at them and go, well, he didn't really say, you know, all Mexicans. He was really it's all about the Mexican people of Mexico as a country. Like, that's how I rationalized it. And then I kept going further into the election. I think no I'm sorry. I don't I don't buy. I don't buy the rationale that people are giving. Yeah. He might not have said all Mexicans, but the way he said, it will resonate with certain types of people. And that matters. Yeah. Yeah. And the thing is is that like, look sometimes you first of all the fact that he got such coverage was unfair. Really? Yeah. But also. Nonsensical. However, you know, sometimes they would latch onto certain things that he said that I thought maybe maybe he really was just carelessly saying stuff, which is not great. But instead of being like, oh, you know, what like, please. I didn't mean that. And I am sorry. If anyone took it that way, which can be annoying but necessary he his response was to be like, you know, to just dig in and be like, no, they are, you know, like into suddenly now, you're insulting a five star family or whatever. Yeah. And the thing with Trump is has rhetoric is terrible. But certain policies that he has passed. I agree with to do you think of any of the first step back that he signed into law the perform Bill? Oh, I thought that was an amazing stuff forward. I whereas to the the booming economy, although it's a trickle effect from the past president. But he kinda he kinda a lifted the veil with the deregulation just worth. Oh, you're saying they're not on. Yeah. No. It's I'm just looking at it from a very. But again. People look at these indicators go well, the colonies booming, and it is it is the by all numbers it is. But again, we have to ask ourselves. What measures what metrics are remeasuring the economy? You look at if say stock market shore, you say, you know, all well unemployment is down. Sure. But. How how's the how's the wealth gap going? You know, when I was the wage is going up. Right. How's how's people who are millennial generation are? They buying homes. Are they are they still paying off debt? Like we have to look at the well being of this country. You know, and where is it as a society? Right. And we're not looking at will. You you, bro? In your the upper that I wrote about reaching out to minority communities, and they've felt so kind of they don't have a place in the Republican party. Do you think his rhetoric is exactly why you know? Yes. Yes. And demonize them that. Yes. Because when I was in CPAC, I was with the black conservative federation. Right. And there are a lot of black Republicans. And this also a lot of Latino Republicans and many of them who I spoke to necessarily don't agree with Trump, others, love, Trump and. Maybe it's rhetoric. Maybe it's because of you know, they want to have some type of fame, maybe they actually agree with their policies. I don't know. But there are black Latino conservative Republicans who aligned himself with Trump just based off policy. Right. And that's the thing that we're bought is both parties that were both policy that we have to agree with. But but also I mean like in terms of stuff he's done. There's the crime Bill which was good. There's the tax cut. I mean, like he's done a lot of stuff. I mean, you know, what I mean like undone a lot of Obama or so. Yeah. And he also undone. Well, not him the cab his cabinet really really done a lot of civil rights. Now, you know. Yeah. And that's the thing. It's not put out there. I mean, unlike me, I like I like readings. Well, he does like to he likes to. Okay. If he were to sit here and go through his achievements. He would talk about getting out of the Iran nuclear deal getting out of the Paris climate accord. It's kind of an I always describe it this way, you know. It's really easy thing about what it takes to build a building. Yeah. Takes contractors? It takes architects engineers takes construction workers takes people to operate the machinery. It's a lot of work. And it's a lot of collaboration. What does it take to destroy a building some sometimes some crazy person flying airplane? Even you know, what I mean, it takes a lot of work planning and skill to build something doesn't take too much to destroy something. And you're right. And the thing is is that, you know, with news media nowadays, we kind of get analysis first. And then we get the data gets way too much comment too much contact and get like half data that fits the narrative. And that's the problem. We're not we can talk about the civil rights abuse. Right. That's going on with the not doing anything is worse to not do anything than to do something. Right. And that's pretty much what's going on. And we don't see covered on Fox News. We don't really see color. I don't know. They want to do. Yeah. They're not doing anything institute. Some kind of like you have to be buying your. I mean, but my thing is is that I think we need to start getting away from Trump just talk like oh, hell, I just feel like now, I agree with that. And I wish we could. But once he won it was like, oh my God. Because he wants you. He is the president. They are obligated to cover him. You know what I mean? So in his crazy tweets, it's not just the apprentice guy tweeting now, you know, what I mean? But what would you say about because when I think of the Republican party? He's kind of like what will the guy from the newsroom said, you know, they believe in a common sense government, prohibitive military, and you know, they for longest time, we're the party of law and order. So what do you think, you know, how do you feel about for example, barber molar? He's been in place for about a little over a year and a half in from the get-go. We were hearing things like I call on my Republican colleagues. To join me in calling for the firing of Bob Muller. This is disgusting accountable bias, and there's no way that could not affect a person's work. I think the public trust in this whole thing is gone. We are now beginning to better understand the magnitude of this insider bias on Mr. Muller's team. Now that was the very beginning. I could play a very similar mash up of people like Newt Gingrich Lindsey Graham John McCain being like there is no one better to lead such a team. Then Robert Muller a Republican. He is a Republican. Yeah. Registered republican. Yes. Be an accomplished war hero. But also, he is the leader of the during nine eleven, you know, so stuff like that. He's never shown any type of crazy. But this was going on at the same time. Just because it was like what someone's going to investigate a Republican president. So we're going to scratch, and claw and go crazy. Easy head. So like that is not law and order. That's not wanting to get to the truth. How do you feel about that is the law and order Nari? I think that. I'm always I'm all about intellectual consistency. So a Republicans in number Republican because of law and order liberty in, you know, personal responsibility in following the constitution and things like that. And you know, Robert Muller. I think it's completely what they did was wrong. Was wrong and Robert Muller. Again. Maybe you know, the whole investigation was just a political game. It may well be because there's you know, the intelligence agencies said that there was Russia interference. So that's what he's yeah. Yeah. He that's and it was more targeted to the Trump campaign. But then they realized that it was towards the DNC. And then now, you know, the national national Security Council of in congress said there was no collusion, and in, you know, we have found that there's no collusion, then from no collusion to know. Russia collusion jumped into obstruction of Justice in something else. And after a while you kind of have to look back and go this this is definitely a political game. But we don't know what Robert Mueller has been or what he's even you know as individual one. Yeah. Well, we'll Michael Cohen said that, but regardless there are other things. Going on in the southern district about Trump. That's coming out. That's like first of all a lot of. It was hardly surprising. I mean, he has spent his life. You know, kind of he first of all he campaigned on having. Yeah, I'm smart. I know how to not pay tax. So he, you know, when you find out that there's a little, you know, some fish is going on with the text of. That's not that surprising. But when you also find out a check to Michael Cohen for Hushmandi payments. My point is this. We don't necessarily know that he's guilty of this stuff, but they are offended and their reactionary to just the prospect of finding out well because again because they think it might be true. Well that and also it's the party of Trump now. So once Trump falls who's going to pick up the pieces, and that's I think that's what they're more worried about who's in fill that void and the pending on how they what direction they go will determine the future of the Parnell. H-honestly? Why don't they wanna get rid of him because wooden like I don't love Mike Pence. But shouldn't Republicans think he'd be better the reason? And I think the reason why is that. Trump gave a platform to the Republican party. People started talking about the volume party and in and that's pretty good way. In was that's the thing. Good good and bad publicity is still publicity. Like, that's I think that's the mentality. Where no one was talking about the Republican party. Now, you're seeing people start understanding what the Republican party is you have this whole movement where it's black blessed? For example, you have this the walkaway movement, and you seeing a lot of people say what the hell's the Republican party, and they're doing I guess they're doing, you know, doing research trying to get involved, and I think that's the positive of the Trump presidency. People are getting involved people. Are you mean, regardless of what regardless signed people getting involved people are exercising the civic duty trying to learn more. And I think that was the positive of the Trump presidency, and you know, morality damn morality. Yeah. Morality damn like. But again, we have to look at it. Like from a philosophical point is was it necessary. Is it wasn't a necessity to get people? Off from their butts, right and going out there and doing something about themselves doing something about their lives from you're writing in from, you know, sitting you're talking about, you know, people caring about people wanting the best for the greater society and whatnot. They're it's hard for me to be like. Oh, yeah. I can see why he has a Republican. I've I mean, honestly because it's like, I'm not even you know 'cause with Trump. I mean, he hasn't done. He's kind of spent his time in office. Like, okay with the Kim Jong Hoon thing sitting there with Kim Jong Hoon this this tyrannical dictator kills his own people. And as any sat there next to him with our flag. Knicks his instead like we have a very special relationship hymning came John this guy you killed the college. Didn't like that to me was like, oh my God. I mean like that was one of the first times where it was like democrat Republican doesn't matter. Oh my gosh. President. But here's the thing. And with with that point and said what other what were other presidents doing will? They were they like like Madeleine Albright, for example. She she did they set up a summit. But the reason that other presidents didn't sit within face to face because it gives him credibility gives him standing to seeing north North Korea. Geographically is smaller than the I home state of Kansas. I mean, really tiny state. Yeah. I mean country, and like the way that it, you know, rules. It's people with an iron fence of. It's like, you know, you know, you don't put him next to the American president. You know, it's like that gives him stand. Things would when Trump Trump was elected to do things differently that that people voted for Trump Democrats Republicans voted for Trump choose me because okay. There were fed up. They were fed up with the system that's pretty much. What that was. They had a bad candidate Hillary Clinton. And he's there to do things differently drain the swamp as you will rent him trying to with North Korea. I looked at that. I said all right. He's trying something different will succeed. If it was if that saved what is succeeded. Right. He he succeeded in denuclearizing everything we were having a ruby having a different conversation with that was never gonna. But we as they said, they would before they just don't you think things are very unpredictable. I'm saying from the from that time. And then something else happened. Could we won't we don't know the future, right? And it he denuclearized. And and he Trump got his way will have a different conversation with Trump's foreign policy and overall I personally agree with right, which is what which is trying to get out of Syria. Right. Getting out of Afghantistan getting out of Iraq getting out of these and Tulsi Gabbard even pointed out to getting out of these regime, change wars and Merican might military in the lot of these countries had destabilized it and same thing happened in Central America. Same thing's happening in the Middle East. We need to start putting America interest. First and saying what is the objective in Syria. What is the objective in Iraq? What is the objective of ghanistan does is serve our interests? If it doesn't we shouldn't be putting American boots on the ground. You have Neo cons and Democrats who. Who are quick to send men and women who serve in the United States, the military and there, but they don't have kids that they're sending over there quick to do that. But what about Wilkie? So what would you? Well, first of all. So let's say, okay. So we have a rack and we have Syria. Now, Obama got us out of Iraq. Donald Trump wants to get out of Syria. So now, it's an of question of like methodology and in Afghanistan, right? We're still in Iraq too. But I mean like with Syria he wanted to just pull out troops all troops win one fair swat. But once you're in all the military leaders were like gift, wait, that's not how we should do that. And that's one of the bad part? Like he is funny because he tweeted it out back when President Obama was in office. He's like, I wouldn't I wouldn't announced my strategy rand. I wouldn't do also many executive orders. I mean. Yeah. And then that's the that's the hypocrisy. Right. But he has a point. Let's say, okay. But let's okay now, you're a sports fan. Right. Yes. So let's say we have. I've a football team. Okay. And the okay an NFL team. And there's the owner there's the head coach. And there's all the other coaches, then there's a starter. Then there's a backups and then there's the practice squad. So if our owner is this just is is like, you know, he he might wanna win which we all wanna win. But he's kind of, you know, filming people and chopping off the legs the other guys and stuff the head coaches are kind of like on that level, whatever. And then you have some players that are against it. But they go along to get along in the practice squad is all against it there guys goodhearted. So okay. So is that a good team or a bad thing because that's kind of view in terms of the party? And I don't mean to be like, I'm not one to say all Republicans are evil. If I thought that I don't you wouldn't be here. But like, but like, you know, when you because you know, the standard bearer is this guy who said, you know, is demagogue we've said that he's he's undone more than he's done. He may have tried to do things differently. But so far it hasn't been successive. You know? So we have an he's, you know, kind of let's we can't say he's guilty. But it looks very suspicious in terms of crimes not necessarily collusion. But I'm talking about like tax fraud, money laundering, paying off. So we have that the owner. The coach's coaching staff are all the our Jim Jordan and all these people who are instead of saying, oh, get our owner. Maybe break the other teams leg. I don't wanna know. And fuck you for even asking, you know, what I mean? Oh, we can curse on here trying. This is great. Piece of that's our coaches talking about our owner the players are kind of like the mayors and the governors so. Yeah. So it's like how do you reconcile? So, and it's all it's all it's all I always say on defense wins games right foundation. The foundation of the foundation of a team is what really wins, right, right? The Republican party Republicans north at these states needs to relook at what why are the Republicans? You really need. They really need to relook. Why the Republicans wire you'll conservative why you Republican and your main thing about a Republican is you want. You don't want ex -secutive ovary dry. You don't want the executive to define the country because that's not what it was that wasn't the purpose in and what they're doing is having one person the executive branch the fine. The people define. The Republican party by people. I mean, the government might people make up the government by by congress, you know, and they need to start doing some soul-searching. And is this whole movement against by for example, the principles first hashtag principle. I as a whole group of Republicans who are conservatives. Right. Who are trying to like who say that's not us. Right. And so I guess my night. And I appreciate that. But I guess my question is at what point do the second string players say, maybe we just shouldn't be on you. But only if it's the owner, and the coaches, it's like well, God damn, you know, like, maybe this isn't the neabry and I'm going to sing join the blue team. But because I have people honestly, I consider changing my voter registration all the time. It would not take. I mean, I wouldn't be this is a box. Right. It's really just, but I'm talking with the I have friends who are they would openly call themselves Bernie broS they were the times that were. So for Bernie that winched he didn't win. They, you know, started voting for just I in or nobody. And it's. Like. That to me if they felt so strongly about something that they couldn't get behind the candidate who won. Then maybe you should not. I mean, maybe you should start a new party or be whatever. Like, I know that that's easy to say in hard to do in America. We made it that way. But really like I mean, if I felt like I couldn't if I really felt like, okay. Here's the democrat platform. Let's say there's twelve important points. I agree with five of them strongly. Yeah. That's not enough. I don't I mean like five strongly, and I kind of do the others. That's another story. But like if I felt like the if I felt like I couldn't really be proud of what was happening at the top because they do set the tone. I don't know. I don't know. I I I hear what you're saying. And you hate it. I hear what you're saying. Hey, Dan, you. I hear what you're saying. I think we'll be got to a point. And again, it's the the polarization of both parties wants going far writing one's going far less, and for some reason people are wrapping around the wrapping their ideology around a single person, which is insane to me if you're Republican, well, if you're Republican that's just insane. Like, why would you do that? And they're they're distinct core principles of what it means to Republican, and what it means to be democrat. And then are distinct principles of what it means to be a conservative, and what it means to be a liberal, and we have a small group of people with the biggest mounts, and that's pretty much what that is same thing, for example with the whole Amazon deal, right? That got destroyed small group of people had the loudest voices. Meanwhile, over sixty to seventy percent of blacks and Hispanics in the area wanted. Amazon to come are there a lot of blacks and Hispanics in Long Island city. Yeah. Okay. But then in the area was going. It was it's pretty queens is probably one of the most scenes in general. Yeah. But I mean, I'm just saying that like when those people, you know, because that, you know, in a way like that was at least people like I don't agree that it was so horrible to have Amazon here. But it was you know, that was a group of at least citizens mostly mostly people were paid. Well, when you're talking about like, the small group from the top with Trump because like when you say, he's not a conservative. He's not a Republican and yet he's the standard bearer. So they say. How's that? You know, where does that leave you? Well, I'm all about local communities. That's just me. I think we need to start getting away from the national stage and just start focusing a local community your state, and you municipalities and things like that. That's where things happen. That's where you're live more effective, and if Republican principles in conservative ideals, will I in my opinion will benefit New York City, for example, who benefiting city, I mean, the Democrats have run near city for the Baz over fifty years forty years right in the gal tacky nuns council, and I'm just on usually and. You know, we took it took a Republican mayor Giuliani. Right. And then also boomberg to really, I guess they did, you know, should he stuff, but they done a lot as far as bring crime down, for example, when you know, build up near a city in in in a way that's profitable, Bloomberg left with a surplus right now. Bloomberg's not. Yeah. Now, he's not one. Now. He's not. I mean, that's. And that's a lot of people have left the party over Trump. And I don't blame them. I don't I don't blame them, especially if you're a blue if you're in a blue state, I don't, but that's the thing. A lot of them haven't joined the democracy. That's my big thing. And I think that's where people sometimes. But why would misunderstand me is that like when I ask these questions of some more conservative friends of mine, they think I'm trying to like bring them on democratic. That's not I it's just that I know them, and I know that while they may not come and be a democrat. They are not what the Republican party has at least temporarily become you know, what I mean? So let me. Yeah. Democratic Party is for big government. They won't get away. I mean like you like what we can say that. But I mean, like more government intervention in our lives in terms of like, you know, when you say like you were talking about four healthcare is that like like how for healthcare anti-gay and pre K, but there's a way to do it. They want to spend SP. Spend spend and then tax tax tax. That's the core principles of the Democratic Party is pretty much you tax more. And then you spend right taxes. But I mean like, you modern. I mean like you modern-day tax the will. That's what I mean. If you text the really, really rich. They're going to tax everybody. Let's be I. Yeah. But they're gonna increase on the working class in the middle class. But the main purpose is that the Democrats they're more of tax and spend type of party spend on social like human groups like groups like a headstart headstart food stance. Fair all these all these things. Right. Republicans more fiscal considerables Demane things fiscal conservative. Right. But like we said now you can own up to. Yeah. Exactly. So I understand when I say when people go on not a Repub. I I don't I don't I'm I'm changing my party. I don't want to be associated with that. But they still believe in fiscal responsibility. They still believe in smaller government, right? The the Democratic Party is not going to be for that. So we'll, but it's a I mean, it depends. I mean, like independent, I mean, it depends on you know, 'cause like again, we want to look at like actual proposals as opposed to just say small versus big government. You know, like. Are this university of healthcare? Right. It's bad policy. I agreed that we'd need better healthcare. I agree that nobody should be dying because it can't afford healthcare or the go bankrupt. Right. We can agree on that. I don't agree on the policy and the policy of the democrat right now on Democrats right now is Medicare for all. I did earlier. You know what I'm saying the funding. But I said was if someone came I wouldn't be against it. Like, that's the logic of it. Like if someone came up to me and said, well, we're not gonna tax anything. You know, we've found a way to pay for things like that. I would consider it. I'm not going to shy away from idea because we're last time I checked, right? Republicans and coming up with anything. We'll end up being the way we pay for anything is taboo tax. But but I'm gonna saying we even need more taxes. Let's see we just re, you know, take some of the funds that we already have. And re I have an idea. I always say, look, let's create a public option. Ryan that's a middle ground type tax. Not a Republican pump. But we pay into Medicare Medicaid already. We're paying into these things. Right. And and if we if someone doesn't have healthcare, and they go to the hospital, we're still paying for so. And so I say for the facts matter, I'm not I'm not someone who, you know, align myself out of loyalty, and I look at the facts, Medicare, Medicaid, we pay into we should be opting into these things. I'm not saying cover everything I'm saying, let's take the burden burden off insurance companies, right? Seventy five percent of insurance is pretty much primary care than to and mental health services. Right and people use that on a monthly yearly basis insurance in general is not supposed to be something that you're supposed to use everyday is for catastrophic things that's the purpose of insurance. Right. Government has a role in providing some type of basic necessity that we already pay into that we can opt in and then which the public sector can compete with the private sector which drive with drive costs down and open up to competition. Right. We're not saying we provide you everything in healthcare. But we're saying that you can opt in right? Get the basic stuff you need. And if you want private insurance to get more stuff, go right ahead. And that's the idea of freedom. The that's great. And freedom. But that's not what I mean. Like, that's kind of what the ACA was because the was you could still buy private and all the ACA was still exist. All the thing with the ACA is that it provided a marketplace for certain number of insurances, and which did not create competition whatsoever. And people will still having high premiums. So yeah, it was it was a lack lack of competition. Drives costs up member. We have regulation where like you cannot do have a certain number of insurance companies in New York right in certain number of companies in Georgia, and that's the own. That's your. That's your access was. That's yeah. But isn't that capitalism because capitalism that's monopoly the crony with what's it called the the competitive market. 'cause like did you did you read today about Trump intervening to stop the merger of eighteenth? And Time Warner. Yes. Isn't that? So anti Republican, wait, wait for it. Although all the okay. I'm not in favor of executive overreach. But in was that that it's executive overreach. But I'm not saying he should do it. I'm saying that his intentions are in the right place. Because some of that it's because he has a personal vendetta. I don't really because what looking at how we look at rumors. But again, look at that that's setting a precedent for blarney, emerges and bigger monopolies, which I'm actually not a big fan of exactly and that was used to be Republican ideal again theater. Again, we go back to the Roosevelt. He broke up the banks, and we have to understand that antitrust laws are pretty outdated, and we're going to we're going into the new generation of technol- technological advances automation, all these things. Amazon buying different has ninety percent of. Own ninety percent. Share of like, I think by five industries right now. That's insane. It's insane. What we're about? We have five minutes left. Are there any who? Would you say are like the rising stars of the Republican party in your eyes? So you're talking about, you know, Republicans that you think do fit your ideals and end, you know, are kind of more out reaching and could broaden the depth of the party. I think Representative Stephanie from pronouncing that correctly up in state and confuse a woman, and she's actually created a pack that would trying to gain more Republican women in congress Eric over. I thought that he was a good fit. I like Nicole manual Takase, but she's kind of like leaning towards the Trump rhetoric, but I get it 'cause she lives in Staten Island. So I understand. Joe Borelli, definitely. People in the Brooklyn young Republican glow. Young Republicans in general in your state and have a lot of young energetic people who aligned with themselves with conservatism Naomi Levin, for example, young. She ran for congress against Jerry. Now, Joe Nadler last year, she was on point. And she was a young engineer female who ran diversities. The diversity is the future of this party would be should. I mean, they kind of they close it off desert and be when they say, they're, you know, when you look at the incoming Democrats number there are Republican Bihar conservative, of course, Latinos and conservative blacks, and oh, sure. And I've I've they're mazing people who know what they're doing and know what they're talking about. And we don't see them as much is because the media refuses to show them we'll in because they're not in national possession, and they're not. But they're on look I like I said. Local level, right? Probably the biggest influencers mature pressure will Joel. So we've been talking to Joel ECE vehicle as a Vado. I just want to you know, I want to make it as exotic as possible. So you live your from Brooklyn. But you live in silence, as you know, all of the year where the most conservatives are. Yeah. But you're you're way because you're stationed there nor'easter small like because my my mom lives. There's oh, I got a Brooklyn 'cause I couldn't really afford my rent anymore. So I was like let me share. It's the gentrification. So what's the website for Brooklyn? Young republicans. So it's gonna check it out. Yeah. As Brooklyn YARD dot com. Police check it out so dot com or dot or dot com. Okay. So to check it out. We're going to have is gonna be a lot of changes coming in the next couple of months. You know, again, I'm looking for eighteen to thirty nine year olds who wanna, you know, see over you don't have to be a Republican to come in for meeting. Right. Just come in. And check us out. And you'll be surprised at what you what? You'll see. Nice. All right. Well, I appreciate you coming in. And you know, I like hearing both sides. I think what we've done here without getting, you know, nasty or whatever is what I wish there was more of you know, on a more of a policy level now. Thank no. Thank you for having me on. Yeah. Of course. So you've been listening to the next thing on Radio Free Brooklyn. I'm Jonathan be learner. And we will see you next week. Thanks for listening.

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At your convenience get help at your own time and your own pace schedule secure video or phone sessions, plus chat and tax with your therapist. Visit better help dot com slash NPR. To learn more and get ten percent off your first month. Sylvia. Acidy was one of the first in her family to go to college. She was also one of the first and few Latinas to ever work in NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory today, she's the CEO of the girl scouts and recently. She published a book for young adults about her life. It's titled path to the stars my journey from girl scout to rocket scientists. I I spoke with her in September of twenty seventeen this week. We revisit that conversation. We'd see where we talked about her trajectory from less cruises to Stanford to NASA and how the girl scouts played a role in all of it. CBS? Welcome to let the USA. Well, thank you very much. I'm so excited to be here. You are from New Mexico. Yes. And actually right on the border, right? Lozada's cruces. New Mexico some years of our lives. We lived in kind of basically, Spanish, speaking, body'll, dirt, streets, and everything. So, you know, but that was my life that was our community, you know, and I loved it. Can you talk a little bit about that? I mean, you kind of throw it out there, you know, dirt streets. Come you know, I mean what you're talking about is is a bit of poverty. Yeah. We live paycheck to paycheck. Let's just say for a while. And there were couple times at my dad lost his job. So that we really rough moments and that figures in very much of what happened in in my family life is that you know, living in that area. There was an epidemic that went through that area and my younger sister. Unfortunately, it was one of those. It was struck with meningitis and kind of changed her brain with high temperatures, and she became special, but more special in the Special Olympics kind of way, my mom realized that in all of Las Cruces, the only place that there was a meningitis epidemic was in our neighborhood are dirt street neighborhood. So it took her a couple years and working really hard and convincing my dad, but we moved to a different part of town where the streets were paid. I saw girl walking in my neighborhood, and she was going to a troop meeting and she invited me to come along. And I didn't want to go, and we are in front of my house. So she said go ask your mom and back, then my mom had seen. I'd gone become, you know, been a very outgoing happy girl. And now, I was closing the door. Locked I wasn't happy. At all my mom was excited that I was interested in doing something. And I was surprised, but she said I could go, and when I went into the girl scout meeting, I just fell in love there were girls like me girls doing things that was ordered. It was calm. I was just so excited about it. And I felt like light in life came back. So this very sad. Circumstance of your sister, getting sick actually, ends up leading you to interact with the girl scouts. Absolutely. And you know. I mean, if your sister hadn't gotten meningitis, you might not have interacted with the girl scouts. I know my life would have been a very different thing. You know, everything changed as a result of me being in girl scouts. So there's two other major pivotal moments from girl scouts when was cookies and the other one was earning my science badge. So I'm sorry. This is lines patch. I have a science patch. Yes. This is what it looks like. Yes. So my signs. Patch tells my girl scout story, so it's got your name. Right. And it's got like, you know, what's I called? Well, it's God the atom Rocketship a rocket ship. Always got pie us got Dar's. The stars are because my girl scout troop leader saw me looking up at the stars. And so later when we were deciding what badges earned. You know, my parents would see me looked at the stars. And they never thought about we'll so how can you, you know, Sylvia's got an interest in science. So it was just oh you looked at the stars. But my troop leader thought what you you're looking at the stars. You might be interested in science. So why don't you earn your science badge? And I said I wanna earn a cooking badge like all my friends because you know, I was a young girl. I wanted to be like my friends, but she kept encouraging in telling me, you could earn your cooking badge. But let's your science badge. And I did that by making SD's rockets and the first few ones didn't succeed, but they finally did. And I learned that you know, trial and error. I learned I could do science I could do mess. So at a time when girls like me weren't being encouraged to take science and math. I took all those electives. So when I was in high school, I had decided to be an engineer, and I signed up with a college counselor. And she looked at me, she looked into the lobby and she said, what are you here for I said because I'm going to go to college, and she said, no. Thank you, don't go to college. When I sat down to talk to her. And I said, and I wanted to be an engineer. She just laughed. She says girls aren't engineers, but with that confidence and still girl scouting. I said if I can cook I can do science, and I can be an engineer. Can you kind of paint a picture of what New Mexico state university was like I went and schedule an appointment with the head of the industrial engineering department. And when I met with him he said, well, you've got to be good math and science you've got to school. And I said, well, I'm graduating in the top ten in my class. And here's my scores on the standardized testing goes. Oh, okay. And at that point, he became very welcoming. But you know, there weren't a lot of girls. There weren't a lot of women. And I was very fortunate to have won a scholarship that also had a summer fellowship and even winning. That was interesting because when I applied for it. There was no gender associated with it. Because I think they hit assumed only males would go for it. So I won that award. And when I won that scholarship, which was a four year scholarship paid for by Sandia labs, they sent to engineers to interview me because they didn't believe that I had filled out the paperwork myself. I remember specifically they wanted to know if I knew how to change the oil in a car, which I did. But they wanted to know step by step. You talk a lot about girls not being in the world of engineering. What about Latina's and Latinos were they there as well. Not very many. It was really interesting in two thousand six I think someone from Stanford was doing some archives research, and they called me, and they said you're one of the first and kind of one of the few let the nose or let the who've ever gotten a graduate engineering degrees from Stanford. And you know, it really kind of was sort of very eye opening for me when I was answering their questions, and they kept saying how was it somebody from Las Cruces New Mexico because at the time they said, we didn't even recruit from there. So how did you know about that that I realized that girl scouts had been such a pivotal point in my life and had really give me the tools that transforming gave that courage confidence and character and also gave me the know how that I could go in and succeed and also that up that you can create your own opportunities mindset. So with that then when I was talking to the. Folks at Stanford. I thought oh my goodness girl scouts as meant so much to me. So then I started getting involved again with girl scouts. So were you like seriously the only girl in your classroom? Sometimes I was and a fun story was my first summer internship, there were no bathrooms for me. So when I watched Hidden Figures, I there's this scene about the women's bathroom. Will you're not where I need you to be. It's not my imagination where the hell helping you go every day. To the bathroom, sir. The bathroom. The damn bathroom. For forty minutes a day. There's no bathroom for me here. What do you mean? There's bathroom for you air is no pathway. They are no I mean, the scene in Hidden Figures watching her run for actually what it turns out that she was running for like twenty minutes each way, just to get to a bathroom for women of color. Yeah. You know, it's interesting because when I first started working, and there wasn't a women's bathroom because I was in a test engineering area, and they didn't have and this is at NASA out. No, this is Sandia labs. So what happened was when that happened, and I didn't have an immediate bathroom available to me. I went into problem solving though. I didn't go into complaining. I went and said, okay, where are the nearest women's bathrooms, and I realized I needed to bring a bike in. So I could get there. But eventually they did bring in a porta potty unit said hers on it. So you you problem solved. The problem of not having a bathroom close right by bringing your bike to work. Yes. To ride your bike to the bathroom. Yes. Because this is Sandia labs. Right. I mean, but you know, my father had given me really good advice. He said, you know, Sylvia, there is this part of working in an all male environment. We're going to tease you. They're going to send you on wild goose chases for the left handed monkey wrench whatever he said, always, you know, work hard. Make sure you have a winning attitude if they're they haven't assigned you work. They you look for something to do. I'm grateful for that. Because they really weren't excited that I was there at first at all I did the things that they didn't want to do. And also I had young is and intestine generic sometimes they had to look at stuff that was really small and they have magnifying glasses. But me with my eighteen year old is was able to read those without any magnifying glasses. So they're like, okay. She can come here and help me on this elect. Trickle engineering aspect of the of the work. And I didn't complain problem solved. So when the overalls that we had to wear we're too big. I got duct tape, and and just them the the gloves were too big. But I got duct tape around those. So that they would not fall off my hands. You know, it ended up being really rewarding experience. They liked me a lot. So you end up at NASA. Then my first job out of college was at NASA Jet Propulsion labs in Pasadena, California. Yes, can can we just spend a little bit of time talking about what it was like to be a Mexican woman a Mexican American woman at NASA. Well, you know, everyone knows your name. So that's something that it's really, you know, or they call you Maria, but they know you and they're aware of you. But you know, I had a really good manager. And he his way of managing. He would take me out for hamburgers. And he'd say, you know, Sylvia in this is a very competitive world. And he said, you know, you're gonna look around the room. And there's not everyone that's going to move ahead and get ahead. And you've got to decide if that's going to be you. And then you've got to do the work, and what it takes to get to that next level. So, you know, this notion that you with all of this information that you have as an engineer and a researcher working at IBM at NASA. And then you like you think think up on my hat in the ring to to head the girl scouts. Well, actually, how that happened was after I was on the board for eight years our CEO left to go after public service. So they asked me to step in as interim, and I was already in love with the organization and gosh, I fallen more in love what I'm really drawn by. I know how much girls got says meant in my life. And I really wanna make sure that we're reaching as many girls as possible because this transforms lives it transforms destinies. It certainly did that for me. Seal. The Esa though is the CEO of the girl scouts and author of path to the stars my journey from girl scout to rocket scientists. This episode was produced by Anthony city, keel. The letter USA team includes me and Maggie freeling Genesee mocha and say Gabriel, we're edited by Marlin Bishop and Soviet buddy Sakaf with additional editing by Alison macadam. 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#9-Alex Acevedo

The Cool Kids Table Podcast

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#9-Alex Acevedo

"Welcome to the cool kids table podcast. Thank you guys told you guys you guys are amazing right away, more than tripled or YouTube listeners, the counters already through the roof. So it's all going up banking is we're gonna try something a little different this time, just because you guys are amazing. We're social media game is all right. But we could be better. So this time it view can tag people on that because what your favorite episode send them the YouTube link or send them, you know, the picture of that episode all the links in my bil- the co kids podcast on Instagram. So if you get send them, you know, the episode just be like, hey, listen to this episode whichever may be whatever for whatever reason your favorite episode Senate, let them know, maybe they'll like it, we have a good amount of new listeners. You know, more and more people are listening that I don't know. So it's kind of nice to get these DM's from people strangers. I guess saying, hey loving what you're doing. Keep up the good work. So I think all of you guys that are continuing to share the. These things up down, social media. I appreciate it. You could find those on Instagram, Facebook and YouTube under the cool kids table podcast on Twitter. It's just the cool kids pod. Quick intro. I know. Okay. So on this episode of the podcast, I talked to my good friend Alex as Severo Alex is all around. Cooed Mike he's the man. He's a legend. You'll hear in this episode. He is legend. I have a great time whenever I'm around him in real life went camping with him. I think in November of last year, and this guy is a legend, man. He's, he's up for anything. He's, he's down. They don't call them. Always down Alex for nothing. It's really good one. Lot of motivational stuff. You know, he's, he's out there grinding doing big things like I'm really proud of him product column, my friend. He's a great guy. And I mean he deserves all the good things coming his way. It's all really, really fun when because this when we actually get a little drunk like we were drinking, like, in a few other ones, but we actually get a little tipsy and it's kind of fun to just, you know, blur, the lines a little bit that being said, I do not want to be known as the giving false information. So I do make two mistakes, which I will correct in the post, you know, if you listen to that bestowed, listen all the way through, and I'll give corrections because I, I had the stats in mind, but I you know, obviously with drinking and night on have paper, notebook or anything in front of me. I'm just trying to remember everything and like I mentioned a few times of four, I listened to the episode just to make sure the quality and all that good stuff is, is there. And as soon as I heard all that shit. That's wrong. So even though we're kinda right? It's not the right statistics. And, you know, I'm sure maybe I made other mistakes in the past. But this one, I know can't they publish it into a hey, well, too bad because I know that that's not accurate description of what I was trying to portray. So, yeah, then there's two one is like whatever, but the second one is a little bit more important. So I do. I'll just address, both the them because as soon as I heard it. I knew it. They both of them were wrong. So, yeah, Alex is great dude. And man, this is really fun. Hope you enjoy. Hello and welcome. My guest today is Alex Alex, walk them to the table. What up, what up how you doing today? That's all right. You know, Friday not too bad another day of the week. So I keep giving everybody the last three podcast spirit, how do you feel about it to be honest? I've never had or shot down my life. Even though I'm Mexican but I kinda like it. Maybe it's the beer. I don't know. I kinda like it the beer we're talking about once again, is my job. Shout out to craft your king. Shout out to mow was in there. So I said, why not? Glad you like it. So I was thinking dude, you played college race for that should. How was that? I mean it was junior college baseball. So now yourself, credited give yourself credit it was it was quite an experience our team sucked. It was mostly a party team. You know we had a coach. I hope he's not listening. I'm sure he's not who was actually in actor in Sabrina the teenage witch. He was in one episode. The active few different movies in. You know, all all my team and stuff, we just said, like, you know, he, he probably acted his way into the head coaching position at Pasadena at. Yeah. It was just he threw if you saw them throw a ball. It looked like he never thrown a ball in his life. We just kinda just had fun. We just we threw parties. I'm sure did you come to my? A Halloween party. Yeah. So, you know, me on the teen is just we play just to have fun for sows. Kinda we just part of your lot and those clue experience. Definitely definitely didn't regret it. You know, wanted to do it love baseball, and it was a great time. That's awesome, man. You say junior college like it's a bad thing. But how many of you know, I was a baseball player myself? I would've loved to play fucking junior. College raise for you know I played Sunday League. We were couple teams together that shit was fucking fun, too. Yeah, yeah. The, the only hard part was when you're the coaches cine league team China find guys, nine guys reliable partier trying to show up at nine o'clock game. Yeah, I mean besides that if you could get that, then that it's fun. We wanted to. I don't say we know we want Sunday League championship. I, I laugh because we only brother who wanna start it. My older, brother. We kind of nicknamed our team team sug like who were just going to suck and go play baseball. We ended up winning the whole the whole championship pretty, pretty funny, that was pretty fun. That was good year. Ramona fucked, my lay at second base, like a fucking idiot. When when did you do that? When I slayed like all out of the end of the season. Yeah. I think I remember that ended my career your Sunday done. I. Base. Fabian was there. And I was like, dude, I can't walk. And so I lived off the field. People cared me off, and then failing was there, because his team played next and he tried to jump in for me. And I'll do that was the fucking sitting there looking crab. You can't jump in. You guys put me up for his vase at the team started. Side target should have peace. You can't fucking swing your fucking Bundy you pussy. So we still want a game but driving my car home because I couldn't I couldn't walk for like two weeks. And sorry. It was my own stupid do feel second. Team work ethic, man. Are you still playing now actually the lead that I was in? They all money to the city. So we haven't played in months trying to think my trying to find a differently to plan. So or if anybody's listening, if we need the extra, you know, Aset throws ninety miles per hour, you know, just hit me up. I'm here I want through ninety because I don't want my arm, but yeah bitch. You still pitching the filthy. Colona everything he is. Everything is Homer. Manned is. Anyways. So what have you been up to man? Right now doing a few different things. I got my own clothing brand called up with peril. Like check us out Instagram at uplift apparel or shop. Uplift dot com. So I do that. I traveled different festivals kinda, you know, setting booth selling clothes, I stream print on the side also for bans on, if you guys need screen printing, lemme. No, I'm here. And yeah. Just different, you know, different jobs to do just to work on the grinding. Now how did that start? I remember back. I wanna say it was twenty thirteen. I remember you and Israel. Your brother invited me like, hey, dude. We're going to Kelly routes three day festival in may. Let's do it and I was kind of like let me check it out. And I looked at the band's and whatever I was like, okay, I've heard a few of these like honestly the big ones. Yeah. You guys are way more into it, and I'm down. I'm down at fucking is he told me it's it'll be marijuana and crappier festival with some live music, you'll love it. So I'm down. Yeah. And I remember at the time you had already all the pictures, you know, looking the pictures before I met with the hood and do this was six years ago, and we already we were all wearing uplift apparel. So my oh shit. I thought you know, I have a good memory, but I can't remember everything I thought. Uplift apparel came after that. But then I was looking at it, and some of the bands were wearing the pair, I think it was. The something kings, a comrade. Good good. And they were wearing the parasol holy shit win. Know I have the time I wrong when did that start so certain college when a chance to see son, I kinda excuse me, I always wanted to create my own brand back in high school. I wore this or middle school, high school or this brand called Atticus, and it was like the founder the guys from blink one eight to two margin, Tom, they started. I slows pretty cool, how it was like a brand in the music scene Holly. You know, kinda supported the scene. How were they involved, and yes, I always wanted to start my own thing, you know, me up like to be different nicknames hippie if he has amount Mountain View on the kid. I wear the, the beach sandals school. You know, nobody else pouring. That him won't there. You're the first person wearing Hollister dude. Argue that I or Hollister you know, I gotta laugh I didn't care and, you know, not to mention any names, but the people laugh them you started waiting two months later, and then that's when out of the elsewhere the. Yeah, like alleys just always wanted to be different. Sorry, those of your break. Yes. So I wanted to start my own brand. I kinda got into Reagan use it. I like the message of it just the positive I've just everything about it. And kind of I couldn't play music. I couldn't you know, spread that message lie. I thought why not spread a different way and put on a t-shirt? So that's, that's kind of how the brand star is not necessarily a reggae brand, but it kinda compasses the same kind of positive message that Reagan does. And yes, so I started. I just, you know, bottom shirts online that had with the printing logo on it. And then started passing out to band is getting out there. You know how you always start than slowly start building and bomb, own scream press learned that you to everything you two hours. I didn't go to school. And I just wanna YouTube university. Learn everything that way. Learn graphic design. It's like I just do the simple you know, simple designs bell in from there. So, I bought my press bossa blank shirts star pre more in my garage and. Yeah. Built from there. That's all started. Just wanna do my own thing. And you know why not start. Why not? That's great attitude. Why not remember baseball? Why not of why not us? Why not? And I, I remember. The Kelley routes. I remember your brother shout out to drew. Me is he and ju- drove up there? No. No. Actually, no pork chop was with our car, and drew was with you guys. And so the thing just came Kelly roots. And that's where we would just be adding up and down drinking chair Nevada's, those that was I still from that for special. I've been going every year since was for sure. I think twenty thirteen I want to see this. I don't even know it's probably my six seventh year next. This year will be it'll be my seventh year going this year. Yeah. Yes. Some the're in the road, you had gone by yourself. You're before I went. No. So when we went with your first time together excuse me next year. I don't think that was only your you win next year. A couple is the same group, the following year, I think, no-fee was down or like we always plan early with implant it. So I went so I told myself like I'm just gonna go. So I drove there at camp out in my car. So if you don't know it's in Monterey the Monterey fairgrounds. Right. Like it's right across the street Eka park, and you could just keep your car. They're all weekend. So I just parked my car. Got Thursday park, my car. Just can't that in my car all weekend which was a cool experience because I feel like by yourself. Yeah. Behind myself like I think, you know, I know people there, I'll run into them. I think you're, you're just listen to music most of the time. It's not like you're kinda, you know, conversation with people you're there for the music. So I got a lot of shows about yourself festivals. It's just I just enjoy the music. I don't really need somebody with me. You know to enjoy it. Yes. So I went by myself and pass he'll be after that. Think we had a small group that went and then. Think two years ago, I won't with the band at that I was torn with. So if you wanna get into that, I when I started the brand, I kind of built around the scene, you know, I my Instagram would just promoting up and coming band, and I got a lot of love from those bands, and it kind of the, the brand grew that way. And so one summer. I was going, I was actually supposed to finish my masters that summer. But this ban himmy. Hey, we need emerged guy to go on the road. We're going to smaller run. Do you wanna go? And you know, me just I'm down for anything. Yeah. Let's go. So that was my first experience. It was a couple of weeks went to up all over California, Seattle, Oregon, Montana, Colorado, Utah, and AirAsia. I think some might be missing state here there. But yeah, so I jumped on the road within the bounds called Ibarra big up to them. If you don't know they're one of the up and coming bands in the Reagan seen gonna be huge. Next couple of years, they just played red rocks. The legendary venue ring with our revolution. They did a sm- like a week a week with revolution. A couple months ago. Yeah. Yeah. They should tour with soja. Nice on the east coast and yeah, they've been they've been on the road for a lot for a long time. So I was able to be on the road and for fears. So for the first tour we did. We did towards the catch afar. Fortunate youth stick figure expanders just a few bands. I think it was on the road for like over a year and a half or two years. Yeah. So anyways was going with this the how the brand. Shot you love. And, you know, the brand grew or guests I grew they let me take my, my clothing Brown on the road cells able sell that can spread of that way. And just Tohru tham. Oh, yeah. That's right. We're talking about cults. So one year we finished tower. And when the last shows on the tour was Kella route. So I was able to get in as artists do artists capping stuff in that was probably one of the best years, that I've done it just it was a cool experience, just being an artist camping just meeting all these artists, some of these bands. I look up to and yeah, it was it was cool networking yourself that way to, you know, in a in a say, not business way, you know, just meeting people genuinely. Yeah. Just connections, just them knowing you just just on a personal. You know, on personal level level. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah. Those, those clicks, that's why I wanted to get on the road to just to meet bands, you know, just to kind of put myself out there who I am what I'm doing kind of tell what my Brad's about, and so far, it's been good. I got a lot of love and I appreciate you know, thankful for where it's gone. It's still the still long way to go, but from Wordstar to where it is. Now, it's, it's pretty cool. I got trouble all over the country reggae festivals. Did wanna Florida like a month ago? No, yeah. Yeah, regularize. That's another. If you've never gone. It's probably one of my other favorite festivals in Florida and Saint Pete. I've been doing for the past three years. So last year, actually, my dad went on the road. We drove the chloride. I. He's like 'cause the first year is flew with me. You know, we put everything we can to cases, his e from episode. One is. So we put everything fit try to everything couple of suitcases flew. There is a two day festival, and I ended up doing pretty good that, that first year sales, like you know, why why Dr bring as much stuff as a conscious to know have a better idea what selling. What's not? So dad, he's like I want he wanted to see the country's never been you know what cross country. So we drove those pre crazed drive three days driving all the way to Florida. And yes, so, you know, he was able he was at the festival. You know, not really helping out there, just enjoying the moment. Yeah. You know, he was able to see what all of my hard work. You know, we're taking what I put into it and can see the results. And, you know, I it was a really it was a good year that second year and so this past year. I did not feel like driving across the country that is not fun. So I should off you boxes and just, you know flew there and it was, it was still pretty good. It was it was. I, I'd say successful festival. And yeah, so that's one of my favorites just because you're on the water Florida weather's not too bad at that time of the year because it's been, I've been in there in August humid, with the torrent with the ban. We're on tour still post leisure. And house do merch, and we had outdoor shows soldiers, there, trippiness sweat, like it was like a wet t-shirt contests. And that wasn't the winter, but Atta keep switch insurance like nonstop, it was ridiculous. We had a wind show in Miami were outdoor show in the head like a portable restroom. I went in there just because it had a seesaw going there just a hang out. It was bad. I enjoy that. But yeah, yeah. Florida Florida's one FSO's fund, and I've done some in Utah. The big one Monterey. Just some of the pop up on doing one in San Diego. Slutty stupid. Tribal seeds. I was pretty cool. One days send eagle bay fest. The one love in Long Beach has been pretty good one. Yeah. This brand's take me all over the country, and twin with the band's take me all over the rose. You know, some some place, I might have never seen. If it wasn't for that. I remember we're talking about Canada Canada. I love Canada. I love Nickelback Canada's. Great. No. Honestly. No. Not to be snow. No nickelback. Honestly, I ll Canada was amazing Vancouver like to ever been to me. It's like LA, but nicer, and the people are way friendlier the, you know, it's, it's nice. I have a lot of love for Canada. We're there for a couple of days and you could definitely hear the accents, like in those little cities outside. Yeah. We i've. Soared. I think I've been to fifty four states. So far for fifty four say, we traveled around like if you count driving through would you. Fifties ten thirty four at thought about this before my head. Or wait. You know what? You know, you guys don't go to college for anything. Dyslexia forty five for. Okay. Let me see each. Are there fifty? I've been to forty there's forty eight continental plus Hawaiian Alaska, so filthy. We're gonna go through each state. Alabama. Okay. Okay. I've into four. Dammit, forty four forty six either one either regardless. Hawaiian Alaskan I've been to win. Personally. Yeah, I was there for a couple of the is amazing speed official. Get-go yin haven't been to Alaska. I haven't been to the Duke. Otas three. What's, what's those three states in the top right corner, Delaware, Maine? Bosses in Maine. Choosing as I did not take geography class, Connecticut. No, I've been to Connecticut voters. I apologize the Dakotas, Rhode Island Rhode Island for Mont and they're six three states, and then the Dakotas and Alaska. So, yeah, yeah, I've been a forty six hopefully knock out all fifty one of these days before I get to via. Cool man. I've been. This money comparing yourself to mind. I I've been to Vegas once. I've been in Vada. Yeah. I even said, dude, I don't care if I get deported, I'm gonna go to see the Grand Canyon. Just been upset with. Have you seen it? I know pictures and shit. But I never been fuck it. I'll put some on the plate on my car and just drive. I wanna see that's been something I've been obsessed with the last few weeks just hearing about it talking about it. I'm sure this episode will come out Iran's. We were talking about on. I'm gonna drive over there funky. Like at least I saw the Grand Canyon. Yeah. Yeah. Actually this weekend thought about just driving, because there's that horseshoe Ben? This week and I thought about just taken drive there. But something came up. But yeah, just there's times where I'm like, I'm just dry, just do it. You know, life is short. Just do it. Yeah. I mean, you never know. That's why for me this whole what I've done this brand of. It's like I thought to myself, like, I'm just going to do what I want, like if I go find a way to do it. And, you know, live off it and I'm gonna do it live. Sure. You never know what's going to happen. You know, your day my, your life might be over tomorrow. Would are you going to be remembered by, like, working your whole life? Like, you know, just enjoy it while you, can, you never know when it's up. So, yeah, that's, that's basically my life what life model mantra, life. I don't know. But. Yeah. Model no-no. Exactly. So we had to any beers. That's the way I've been living my life, I guess. Sit. Crappier kings. Yeah. Thanks for getting this pretty pretty buzz for this. Yeah, I'm a one and done guy so that one beer that I would have is a Bud Light on get pretty buzz off this. So this we still have the office office as it. I got it because the office the office show. But now that I'm looking at the can it looks like it's nothing like it's. It's. That you like that office space movie. The remember the is my red stapler my Stiegler as a picture of the state right in the front on the how that I miss that. But that's an extra. We're trying. I'm are you ready for it? I'm not I'm pretty I'm almost done. All right. Fuck it. We're gonna open up this office, as give me five seconds, say something they're not. Yeah. So I apologize. Not a big drinker but I could chug a lot. So I, I apologize for mixing up. The amount of seats are in this country. Apologize, Donald Trump, hopefully does not Dettori, deportment shares. Remember we went like three when was like, November December? Oh, that one's discussing. All right. I don't drink as I asked you, what do you wanna drink? You said anything when we went camping with Israel and Julia, your fucking legend. Eric, Eric didn't go your fucking legend. Alex is anything anything I'm down. I'm down. I'll I want that attitude. I mean just like anything was down. We're going to do this. I'm down. And so you got to make for me that remember Alex your legend. It'd been calling myself that all my life, but I am legend. Actually playing flip Cup this past weekend. You know, is he shot to Izzy, who you know, we're best friends, but he hates when I beat them, anything we're playing flip Cup. And you know, we had teams I was last one and, you know, I called my shot like I'm closing is filled the Cup. And guess what happened I want, I want it. I'm a legend. I'm sorry. Sorry for bragging. Yeah. I'm I'm pretty much down to live life, you know, that was that was fun. I was a fun experience. And you know, it's stuck with me. You hadn't seen you in a good while. So just you know they do because I remember we legally ice cream the fights on. There was a great fight that no my bosses too hot. That was a. My boy is the style bender. She want his fight twenty one so we were just having fun. We're gonna weekend. Yeah. And I just remember, I told Israel fog, dude. How this is a fucking man. That's why he's so successful like this guy just fucking doing it. And at the time you know, I wanna see it was like November. So I think it was right around things. Yeah, it was it was a little. Yeah. I would say around there, so that just, you know it's one of those things I like all your experiences stick with you, right. Everything kind of build you in the way. But that's kind of what one of the things you know why reached out to you fairly often with fairly early on. I started the podcast, dude, I want Alex on here because I was gonna ask you anyways, you're my boy, you know, we know each other quite a while your success. I know people fucking. I told you before we started like people want to hear successful, people speak because then you could do what they do. How are they doing it? But it seems how do Justice stories. Alex has. I know it will be good because that we could alone. Dude. I had a blast man. I really did. I really did. Yeah. Yeah. That was I came, I don't like to party, but I like to party if you know what I mean. Like if I'm gonna have fun, I'm gonna I'm gonna make the best fit. So, yeah. If you don't know me if you. I'm pretty quiet in person. But once you get a couple of beers in me than that's when the fun starts. That we was fun. I just like copying general, that's I the past couple years, started doing that with, you know, is a couple of friends. Eric pork chop on just I love I'd rather spend a weekend camping weekend in Vegas, you know, I just like getting out there, getting away from everything being nature. It's just it's a great feeling to me. It's, it's you can't take a rejuvenating. If you know what I mean I did one while. Right before that. I had just done the my first kind of little getaway I went to for a couple of days. Fucking, you know, like you said to me it was refreshing. I'm not always on my phone. But you know, you gotta check your emails. You got it is whatever you got ten. You really are even if you're productive, you're on your phone. You know, you're not you're doing work, even though it's emails or whatever you're still on your phone. So I was just not having any service for fuck in. I don't know maybe seventy two hours, something like that. It was just nice because there, even if you wanted to you couldn't not that I did I check the time because it was still like my watch do fucking two pm. I thought it was like eleven just blowing by. We did the whole hiking and nature, you know, fucking people walking up out of the woods just kind of like all freaking I do. There's a up there. I'd be careful. You don't take out of that. And, you know, my brother and my brother's a little bit more pessimistic. He was do what is it was a bear. Any sending us on the on the route to, to the bear, you know that fucking guy. Yeah. So, you know, we still drank, we had a couple of beers out there, but it was just nice being away from everything. You know, seeing the, the moon the way the moon looks without fucking light pollution, the stars just having those conversations. That's one thing that's just conversations about nothing just out there and just being like 'cause, you know, you don't even have to talk around campfires, just, it's just a vibe, you know, I can't explain it just it's to me. I love that just campfire. They're just union boy, just drinking or not drinking, just they're just enjoying being a nature. Yes. Yes. Nature love you. Thank you. It was Earth Day the other day, appreciate you. Thank you. Sorry, we're destroying you. But yes. So actually sequoia that was we had a story we went with Eze, your brother win. Yeah. I heard about that so people fear into clear. Don't take edibles a boy. Is he did? And let's say it took an hour for him to go through like a half mile hike. That was pretty level. We had, like, re ten says got to stop and take a break when you end up that tree. Right. It wasn't even. It was just tree. It was like a long, pal. He might have been a FIFA incline. Like it was nothing but he took it edible, and we had to stop like every five seven, and then you see these seven year old group of people like elderly people just walking by like nothing. Helping them puffing like he's going to die. So. Yeah. So hopefully my phone is listening, but I don't do. It was true. Drew Missy drew love you love. You drew miss you too. That's your brother. But my boy beating fantasy right now. But it's all good. But yeah, yeah, I try to. You know, go capping a love. I've been semi few times. Zaylon zion's, Mason amazing. Yeah. My brother thinks drew for the, the park pass like any national parks Chinese that anyways trying to go in me up because nobody's down. Let's just let's you gotta let down down down the weekend, like leave on a Friday come Sunday. Just it's there's some that are like three hours, which is nothing, you know. Yeah. Down. Well, we'll talk after something to do that. Getting back to to your brand. One thing I was telling right now, at the liquor store house time my homie. He asked me like, what are you up to tonight on this Friday night? It's fucking beautiful. Now, you gave me some good beers of about to go do a podcast with my boy do sweet like do to told my boy Alex Alex uplift apparel. And he's like, oh, dude, I've heard about that. You know, like you're not famous, I won't let it go to your head famous dude. Everybody knows who you are. They don't know who you are. They know your brand, and who you all of your brand. It's a few weeks ago I stopped in I picked up that revolution. I that they have. And yeah, he's like, that's a good beer. You know, a ban that I'm with his is torn with them. And so that's how conversation start. He's a fan of. So, yeah, we exchange emails sub but yeah, he's a cool guy. That's how that started. And yeah, it's just the connections you make and. Yeah. Hopefully builds from that. And, and told they do this through. His festival, so that on the drive all the puck and Alex through his own fucking do that is the craziest thing. I've probably ever done go into detail, man. I'm all ears dude, by the way was awesome. It was awesome. I went we went and we, it was a two day event. We got the two pass. I filled up my car was five of us. We got a hotel, and we're like we're out here we at the time. I don't think who was a thing yet. So we know we got a text to get into taxis. And we actually talked the first taxi into letting off in the car, he I can't do this. You an extra twenty and we went out there, dude, so, but please, please go into that was so much. Yes from for yeahs but for. That was the most stressful thing I probably ever done in my life doing a festival, mostly at how, but it was mostly by myself to. It was it was like a lot of work and. And I mean when you're doing that you're, you're not really enjoying the festival, you kind of making this other people enjoy it. And just thank you. Yeah. Yeah. And I didn't really. Yeah. So you're just, you know, it's, it's tough, it's a lot of work. I didn't know the one like later in the year and that, you know. On one's blue of the winter sessions spot. But, you know, every everyone's alerting you gotta learn freedom steaks, and, you know, it got it gets better and better. But. But yeah, just dealing with, you know, when you're by yourself just doing band everything that goes behind it. It's just you it's, it's the hardest thing you could ever do. And if you ever do on just, I suggest get a team, you know, which I should but like you don't mean I'm down. Let's do it. Yeah. It's just it was, it was a cool experience on, I gotta connect a lot of bands that, you know, that, that played at the fest, one is a lot of bands that are bigger. Now, you know, that's cool to think back at the lineup we had, which is mainly a bunch of incoming bands and to see where they're at now it's pretty cool. I remember to this day. I remember I think they were called SM familiar, maybe butchering it, but I was like damn these guys are really fucking good. I don't know where they're at now too much from. I remember that they were out the outdoor stage hundred and do these guys are like, really fucking good. Wanna do like there's so much talent. But, you know, reggae in America still growing like now, you know, that was six years ago no five around that after Kelly roots. Yeah. So back then, you know, you only have the top like soldier revolution. You know, the top top bands, and it was still growing. There's so many bands that have been discovered, but they're, you know, they're so talented. So that's mainly why I wanna do something just kinda get these bands in their kinda put him in front of people. Yeah. There's a lot of talent. But now, you know, now there's Sony raised grown so much in the country in the U C festivals everywhere. So it's a lot more competitive. But that's I think that's good because more people are listened to it. And, you know, the message hopefully the kinda go with the message of these bands. You know, kind of live by not totally, but you know what I mean? Would you ever consider doing another festival? Not. I don't ninety time soon. Just there's so many so many festivals going on. And I can I have other plans to do other stuff. I don't want to do with the brand. So I wanna work at those before even start thinking about another festival. Yeah. AB maybe small one just a few. I don't know. We'll see. We'll see. It's fine. If you can't. But if you could can you elaborate on the things that you wanna work with the brand? So if you can't trust me, there's a lot of people that's not free to discuss that yet. I, I so I'm working by the time this comes out, probably be also trying to I'm working with the video for shouts of west trying to do a media company through the brand, you know, more more create more content more videos, probably behind the scenes. We haven't planned out what exactly we want. But definitely work with more bands that way. And a goal of mine that I kind of been thinking about last couple of months, eventually open up like a little shop, you know, like just have a shop of space for diesel for bands are joining come in just due to some who success. You know something like that. But also. Run not even not just the brand through there. But also do like split with a screen printing in there, because, you know, I learned screen printing, something wish earlier would have been a classroom e in high score something probably was wizar- outing. Neither are barely had anything. Yeah. Having of. Having of course. Exactly are low enough supplies. Shared fucking colored pencils. Exactly up to Mountain View, and Mr. Switzer. I never had them for art. But I had them for the what's it called like that? That freshman class. Yeah. When you guys are fucking idiot. I take a smoke break. Art, his different like throw on this mask, stand on the table and stare at the other room across the hall these crazy like what is this guy doing? Stories about when people used to fall asleep like he likes it down next soon. And yeah I love these. No, he did like here's a cool us away different teacher, 'cause that was his thing art like his way different from his other. What the other you seem like he aided that that class? But yeah. So that's what I had for. So, yeah, I to yeah, so, yeah, I kind of want to create a shop on with my brand, like splinter half with my brand the front, and then like a slow screen prints up in the back and kinda still run both, you know, screen print for whoever needs it, but also my brand they're kind of have little revenge. I don't know open mics, maybe I don't know. I haven't really gone into detail what don't want. But just something community community based like have maybe have a print shop classes, like for, you know, high school kids, I wanna come and just learn something just an extra trae that the might you know, they might enjoy my wanna go into just having doing something for the community. I always, I've always worked with kids always worked in community. We got the Parker. Yeah. Partial wreck is a more park and the pre-trade Parkway. Yeah. Worked, I worked in Mountain View park to Lambda him all over money. Worked after school programs LA city of LA summer like baseball counsel. Yeah. Always been around kids. I think, you know, kids are pretty, like they have their own little world. The yeah, just maybe you have something there for them, where they can learn maybe wanna learn something that they might not learn somewhere else, or the might not have the opportunity. So just having a space for the community. So I don't you know, I don't know if I wanted to know mine, or somewhere close by just creating a spot for the communities, common -joy enjoy, but also learn. So that's, that's one of the plans for the brand. But also, you know, just still do festivals on building came out. So I came off the road recently just kind of focused more on the brand because when you're on the road more than half of the year. You can't you can't do anything from from the road. You can't ship out. Or you can't pray, you know, so out of take some time off just kind of sit down and figure out how to grow this brand and yeah. So I've been doing that. We've seen on just online marketing all that. It's definitely a lot of work, especially when he run the brand by yourself. You do emails marketing graphics printing, like it's a lot. Yes. It's a lot, and I mean all bucket credit to you. Like you've for the people that don't know, go check out shop opened dot com. They're more than just an Instagram. These are real. And when I say these guys, I mean. And you don't get me wrong. Eric Andrew, but I mean, they're all great. I o to the helped me a lot more, you know, if without them it, I wouldn't have been able to do all these festivals. So shout out to them for always helping that's what on trying to build a brand to me to be successful is not just for me to be successful is to create a business. Reckon have not just me. But my friends, you know, live off be be heart of the success. Yeah. Part of, but, like be able to live off of that, you know, like we're they're not trying to make ends meet with. They're trying where they can live comfortably. That's a goal just to have a business for all the workers at rating can live comfortably so, yeah. Charlotte to them for always being there. Appreciate it. I mean, no not respect to them. But what I mean is like you're the one doing all of that work. You gave me. Talking about before, like I was telling you like dude. This podcast is nowhere on any type of level of success. It's just like three episodes in and it's a fucking bitch to be doing it. I'm getting emails like China like back and forth. Trying to do the schedule people cancelling people fuck in. Hey to they won't work out there all now Thursday, and I can't Thursday that's already booked and then still like OSHA, I to create a picture to share that. And this is very easy. You know it's, it's easy. It's complicated, 'cause it's a lot of things, but it's easy stuff. So when I see you doing all these complicated shit, and it's a lot of it. That's how I do before we got on the Michael Alex. This is a lot man. That's why accent were accented that how do I do this for you or I can teach you to do this, so that it's going to help you in the long run. And it's just, you know, the same thing like it's something that I want to say I'm good at. But that I know what I'm doing. But I was like, dude, if that can help you out. Then that's. I'd be glad to be a lending hand. So I mean, if what I say if you go to shoplift dot com, if not check them out onto uplift apparel on Instagram on Facebook, and you'll see these guys are legit. It's not just, you know, like the he doesn't give himself credit, you know, he says he's legend, but he's still other things you know, you're still humble, dude, which is beautiful. But, you know, I could say for you as a friend as a fuck in, you know, I don't know what I'd say as a. Yeah. I mean, we're friends, but I mean as far as somebody that you see. Would I remember the days of Kickstarter? I remember all that, you know. So I've seen you go from, you know, you haven't heard it yet. But you know yesterday I had a leash a chain crews on it. And she said, I I've been watching your journey da dude. I've been watching yours. So it's like I appreciate what you've done like it's like to make. And you're still going, it's only going to get bigger. I know I know. Bigger and not just like as far as like, oh, you get more. I mean your whole like umbrella, especially with digital company that you got going. You're going to have more influence out there, which I think one of the people that should have influence out. There is people like you somebody that spreading a good message. Just some bullshit ass fucking, you know. Yeah. I appreciate it. Yeah. Yeah. I just, you know, I feel like is nowhere. You know, to me, I'm still not successful because there's still a lot of things that I wanna competition they're still long ways to go to where I wanna be, you know, it's still I feel like it's still I'm still starting business just because it's still early. It's, you know, like you with the spot casters, only the first couple date like tries at doing what you wanna do. Like I remember here when I bought this screen pre inclement when I there's a special you have to assure you have to put it through this dryer. Right. And I was putting it so hot that it was actually burning the shirts like. They were burn like they were hard. Yeah. And that's when I learned like dude, like it, I messed up, so many times, there's so many things I'd done wrong being, but it's a learning learning. You learn what you did wrong. And, you know you grow from that you find out what you did. Right. And learn from it, you know. There's like like you said now my motto, one of the things that I live by. Like. Sounds. You don't understand it like if you don't, if you just hear it, but I don't make mistakes because even in my mistakes, I'm learning from them. You give me make them sick again now you're fucking up. So it's not a mistake. It's a fuck up. So you're fucking like so when he said, oh, I made a mistake on that bad. But when you fuck up, you're like I can't fuck up. I'm not gonna fuck up again. And so, the initially when you make that first mistake you learn from me. It's one of those things where there are certain things, you're going to mess up over and over again. But I mean it's like, are you trying to fix it? Okay. You so messed up. Okay. It's not perfect yet. And how can you what can I do? What did I do? Wrong. I need to do. Right. Exactly. What can I stop doing for that to happen again? And I don't know like this, this is this is cool. I made so many mistakes, Z fucking busy at the time I had made two mistakes. He said, I can't wait for you to make mistakes. And now I'm just making mistakes up as with the audio editing manage. It's fucking hard work, and people. Tell me you, haven't why haven't you put an intro on these thirty second intro. Like I can't hear and I let it to him. And I can't hear it unless I'm in my car headphones on on whispering this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mistakes. And so, obviously, so fuck up at this point, I did it more than once, and so I'm working on these things, and it's one of those days where you have to continue. You know, people are messaging me, and I'm like, this is not a six people. Oh my God. Congrats on the success. This is not successful to me. At least. I'm just trying to put good content. I hope they enjoyed it. You know, but people are supportive. They're Tommy they enjoy the conversations. They've heard so far. I'm like, okay. I got to keep doing it. You know, I'm not complaining. I'm not going to say, okay, cool, we're done let rapid. This is just the beginning, guys, just do when you hear eventually, like thirty thirty forty episodes later, you're gonna look back at the first ones, and see, you know, ten like me like I look back at the old stuff that I used to print are like, so, like, Dan, like, you know not that it was shipped like. What you're saying. Just nothing. By understand what you I I've gone through that, like, in other aspects of different things even like on Instagram posts, I had top-shelf sports. I look at the first pulse, your fucking eighty dude. Put twenty five dollars. A good Hafer cheap. Like. Oh man. And then, but then, you know, it's a good thing because if you see that, and that means you're growing air learning from those mistakes. But yet you know what I was gonna ask you. I wanted that shirt, I'd probably should. This real. You know, keeping. It was like a navy blue with the circle the yellow those old school. Remember fruits and yeah, I had that shirt like fucking. I wanted to like five six years war. It everywhere if you dude by another shoe. By the same shirt from you. I don't know. I got to. To embarrass for another shirt. They're slim fit. Like the fiddle. I do. Bring those smallest probably a small you should always wrong size of your sizes of man. Getting back on check. Oh, yeah. But yeah, you just you're doing. It's, it's a learning experience. You're not. You're not an expert as something you're just starting, you know, like I'm still learning so many things of what I'm doing. I'm still doing things wrong, but it's up to you to figure out how how to be better at that at a learn from that. One thing I mean, I emailed you this, but I just wanna throw it out there because I think it'd be good at it. Why don't you start your own podcast? You have the network dude. Especially to I'm gonna throw it out there before anybody else. Does the Ray fucking like the reggae world. I don't wanna throw anybody under the bus, specifically, I wouldn't say these suck but they're not all that great. If you were to get your name out there, dude. It doesn't have to be uplift apparel. It doesn't have to be fucking Alex uplift. But just, you know, you're hold little thing. You got going on man. You have a great network. I know you, we've talked about it. Doesn't have to be the major brands of up and coming brand. You know, get them a platform. You're a fucking good guy. If you could do that. I mean, you I used excess what everything you've done, you'll be successful at that just. I just. Don't have the time guy. Do the me, I honestly wouldn't trying to do is build a team just, you know, working with video poker weaning Bradley started working, but just building a team that kind of specializes in their area. 'cause if you're the best at everything. That you're doing in your business, then you're doing it wrong doing something because you're not you can't be the best at everything, you know, there's just too much snow. So you got to build a team of people that have their own specialization what they can do what they're good at. So that's where the social media guy, Martha. Yeah. For photographers. Exactly like you got to build a team like that's where I'm not saying dinner on, but it could be so much better. When I have that team together. That's what I'm trying to do right now, delegate, and see everything delegate, and just focus on the things that I need to focus on the take care of the things at third. Good at and slu. You know, I'll build a team and have friends that you know, interested in just we're waiting. The still a lot of things that I need to do myself, I before Bill that team but. Yeah. Just building onto what you were saying the time, I would just rain elders so many things going on things that I'm trying to do trying to build. But I that's a great idea. It podcast or the new, I listen to podcasts all the time. Especially fantasy base. While that's why I'm still good at it. If you wanna talk about that for later. Okay. Okay. That'll be fun show, Pika, and the best rivalry in sports is not Yankees Red Sox. It's Alex and fica basil, how's it a rivalry when I'm always beating them? I mean, I can't, you know, it just I don't like to get into just because I don't want to push buttons, you know, I'm not a best friend in that league talk about. All right. Yeah. Definitely talk about that later. There's some things that sorry, I'm bring on the tangent, but I'll do feel free. Those people in that league. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know there's some shady things I went on and, and. Yeah. You just I feel like we had to have a meeting to go over it instead of just text because you could get everything wrong over text great idea, this little fucking machinery, here could hold up for more microphones, which will get four more people fantasy. Yeah. I mean sorry for everybody else. Nobody wants to hear about any so just fantasy baseball. It's just. Minutes two minutes, and then we'll continue. We'll get back on track. But we should do a fantasy episode about. I don't know who'd be good. I mean fucking Commissioner Rudy, Jerry Ozzy probably ROY. Yeah. You don't need me. You'll know you know, nobody likes me league dude I love him. But I mean that way you get your fucking message out. All we gotta fucking beacon, just for the shitaki. Can we film? He would he wants. I'm on here. You're gonna come back your own ten but you're gonna come back this week. I believe all right. All right. And you say you're gonna go on a little tangent. Baseball. Oh, that was it. Two years later later. It's crazy man. It should is pretty strong. It is strong. Oh, yeah. Yeah. With the brand. I just, you know been. Been doing my own things without, you know, designs that kind of spread a positive messages. Have you thought about getting like a not that I don't like to science? But, I mean, have you thought about getting a fucking? I don't know what it's called graphic designer. I'm actually for the new logo got one just because I wanted somebody, you know, thought differently than me and yeah, I liked it. Definitely wanna do that for some, you know, more intricate designs. Definitely definitely go that way, just part of LA Gatien, 'cause I know that takes hours hours. You just make a bunch of mockups, and you're not like hours later. You're still not happy with it. So the definitely graphic designer just to have that, that were done who you don't have to worry about it. Tom, your ideas, which, which you, you want. Yeah. Definitely. That's part of the team. I didn't remember that. Yeah, what we're talking about. He's beers. These are not more fun. This is. I think this is double show. Right. We got to. Hector off fucking cable. Fucking slip on the there. Right. They check chick. Yes. So for. Give me one second just to make sure everything's plugged in. All right. Sorry for adjusting middle of the of the talk. But this is the way we do things check check. Yeah. We're cool talking front of your mind. A low low low. Okay. That's what happens when you don't fucking that it fucking. Are we not just start to finish started finish? I apologize. Though, man. Some. No so going back to we're talking about like. Your brand. What's the next step? I mean, not in haven't been paying attention way. But I mean, I know you're doing the digital media company, everything. But I mean as far as like, okay, what's the next move for Alex and his team and uplift apparel. I'm just trying to build because I do pretty good festive knowledge time to build the ecommerce by that, you know market and all that. Yeah. Just trying to build that off because I was on the road for so long that, you know, ecommerce the online was hardly anything just because I couldn't ship out, like I don't want to promote a social media when I can't. Senator packages because I'm on the road. So, yeah. Building getting back to that. Look into sponsor into sponsoring the few bands that will kinda spread the message like has an ideal message in their music. Same as with the brands about I have a few minds, so definitely work on that. Just keep drawing just keep spinning LeSage more festivals. Get into more people. It's more bands than getting more involved in that scene, because at the beginning. I was pretty I was pretty involved in the scenes working bands promoting music. And as I toward a kinda kinda took low hedges because I couldn't do the same amount of work on it. So just getting back to the basis, getting back to that and it's been it's been pretty good being the scene. More getting more involved. That's, that's the next step getting back to that. That's good. Good here. Let you have a plan. I mean I tried try I'm down for anything, you know. Legend, man. What do you wanna talk about? Anything you want to throw out their shout out, any brands or anything like that or pants. I mean. Do. If you haven't listen to reggae just take a listen to. I know when I first got into before even hurry is like out, never listen. You know, I wasn't I listen more to like, you know, circuit survive brand New Mexico like back, that back back in those days in high school in slowly like peppers, Moray rock. Listen to some scar Rubik fish, and I got more once listen to pepper Nolan, I got more into bands like revolution tribal season than I went deeper into the smaller band. And it's good music. It's something just vibe to wall to me Gouda show. It's, it's cool. It's a cool experience. It's not like feels different any other shows everybody just cooled each other. It's, it's cool experience. I definitely recommend check out some music and just check out of show. Any in particular, you like let's say I- Tara, check them out. Nice big being. Stick figure. You know, the big bands big Shannon's Dirty, heads dirigible. Yeah. Yeah. They're, they're pretty cool there. I mean I like revolution fucking souljah by what I like thirty something like a week ago, I was just kind of like what I haven't listened to. I've been listening to podcasts like crazy. Just trying to be like, okay. This is really good. Let me try to emulate that and I kinda got bored of it because I feel like homework. I'm not listening to it for the content which is what I like to do. I'm like, yeah. With the way they do it. And one thing people ask me like do you listen to your own now man? I'm my own biggest critic. I listen to it once after tonight after this recording into it on the drive home, and then once I'm editing are listen to, again. And after that, I won't listen to it again. Because my I'll be like fucking eighty like how did you say this instead of this? Fucking hindsight is fucking twenty twenty but we like you fucking idiot. How did you fuck up this like you didn't even say that? That was such a long. Pause where we think. So I just I'll stick away from that. But once they started seeing the podcast and it feels like homework, almost instead of enjoying them. I'll do the music thing again for me to listen to podcast for while and just I kind of not burn Alba. Just I wasn't listening to learn. I was just more plane plane just to have it there. So that's why switched music. But now you know you gotta. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I what I like about kind of Reagan here in the country on just each band has her own influence. Like, like dirty has have low hip hop. Yeah, that's, that's, that's right for me. You know, somebody fucking meek mill lover and some are more like roots. They have that route sound others mixing skies. So it's, it's each man's a little different. They have different influences. That's why like it just their own style. You know. Yeah, that's been. It's cool. Cool music. Definitely. Check it out. I think you know, if you wanna talk about being on the road with the road life is being on shirt for. This has been great. I can always tell when it's been good. Or when it's kind of been shaky, this has been great, but anything you feel like you feel like okay, this is something people would wanna hear never experienced. Yeah. Being on the rule like being on a working crew in the torn bandages, not many people get experienced in. That's why did it is just to live a life. The non many people get to, you know and don't get me wrong. It's lena. A lot of people think all you're working, you know, we're going to bang partying all the time like hot at all. Like the Ben that I was with, like a twelve passenger van, you know, six of us like in a bent van driving eight hours. So the next show, just, you know, we work, we say, you know, you get you get to the venue early just the weight, you, you sit and wait so you get to venue early load in times, like you know, twelve twelve like three to four depends. Your swing around, like if undue emerge some setting up all the merge, and then you're waiting around for the show's star. And then on they're at the mercy of will I can't really like as emerged guy you can't really you're not there partying, you know, you're in charge of money in charge of merchandise e kinda you. It's like it's like a real job. You people think of it that way. It's a real job like you're working for the ban. It's a lot of late nights. You know shows don't end till eleven twelve by the time you pack up. It's one two in the morning. And you got a bus call at seven in the morning and it's like, you know by our sleep if sleeping on the road. It's, it's, it's a tough life. You know it's not for everybody. It's definitely not showering for a day or two like it's, it's, it's rough. It's especially in the early days of up and coming band on its rub. But the experience, you know, we can be different city. You know, one day, your New York the next day you're somewhere. What's listen, your New Jersey, you know, I'm not going to be a New Jersey. You're, you're in Boston the next day, you know, it's, it's a cool experience. And sometimes you don't really get a you know, they think you could tourist warrant. Yeah. Tourists but, like I try. So I'll have an hour to whatever's close will try to go look around. Yeah. I just I like travelling like beyond the road seen things and it's, it's definitely tough to like I said, like when you're in a. Van just sleeping. You know, some of them are sleeping on the bench. Some are just sleeping sitting downs. It's rough. But now once once you know you get to you move up in the scene. He started getting tour bus in all its I, I've experienced that we had actually with the ban, IT RV, which is a lot nicer than event because we actually get asleep. But even those even then, like just you're you're always on the go you're sleeping on the road. But one thing we do have is called Roti Friday's road Rhody Fridays. So that is whenever you have a show in the next days off day is called Roti Friday that means that the crew gets get drunk, the crew gets a enjoying the cells, even though I'm still working with the money, you know, the merge, like, we get a half onto. So that's one thing I would look forward to fried just let loose let Lewis. Yeah. But I it's it's differently ACLU experience. And hopefully I'm trying to get back on the road. You know not for like four week towards if Abani is like a week, you know, emerge gover week or two weeks. And if it's in my schedule doing festivals in. Yeah. Definitely I just I love being on the road. I'm part of who you are. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's experience in. I definitely enjoy it. Just you're meeting. People at shows, connecting people, you know, especially where I'm at merged with. Especially if you're to the grey band that you get to watch the show every night, you know, like one of my favorite tours while to actually all these bans agree. But catch a fire there have been from Zealand. They're one of my fair bands live just seeing that show. You know for a couple of weeks. It was the last show. And I didn't I didn't even get tired when like I wanted them to play more is just I like that. I like music I like live music. So it's it's for me, you know, be on the road and being working with the ban. It's I love it. It's cool. Experience. It's not the easiest, I mean it's sacrifices you definitely in order to get anywhere. You have to make certain sacrifices and and tough. I mean just hearing you talk about it. It's like I'm like that's. It's awesome. Yeah. Until you're waking up your sleeve on five hours gains, the next, you're driving. See one thing. You gotta look at people are out here sleeping five hours and driving to fucking job. The hey fuck dude I fuck in. They don't have Rhody Friday. They don't have anything to look forward to they get a week into rest. Yeah, yeah. And then again on Monday. So even though you say, like all the others the bad things, the people listening, hopefully not all the few that are, you know, this is a kick in the as the like fuck this, John. I'm gonna quit this shit and follow my passion, you know, that's one thing. Okay. That's kind of like a common theme with the people. I'm having on all following their passions. Everybody's doing what they want to do. Yeah. I think song to kind of go off subject. But go, I you know, I wanna school always did good in school. You know, parents speech that do going to school avid. I remember you were added twenty year, and then they switch it to zero period. I couldn't even get goal in time for first period, so. Yeah. To drop that miss Hinde shallow to messiah, one time science. I would always sleep during was assists are right. After lunch. We'd have SR for fifteen minutes would read a book, and I would always fall asleep for SR one time she pulled me out. Alex, are you? Hi. No, no. She's like, are you doing drugs? I just looked at her. Like what like no I I didn't do drugs and I still don't do drugs, wink, wink, wink, wink. Hopefully are listening. Yes. No. I never did anything high school. So it just it was funny moment in avid. Yes. I went no PC say they're a little longer than it should have went to see sun. Calming bachelor's kept going for my masters. I'm actually haven't I need one internship, to actually complete my master's, which hopefully I'll do soon if not then that was a waste. Yes. I always want to school. But, you know, my prince preach it. But I just nowadays, it's, it's a lot different lot of kids going to school going into debt doing working job that he even goes school for like, it's I don't know. I don't feel the same way as before about school. You know, if if you're not going to school for, you know, to work in the medical field government job, something that. The really specialize in. Then I feel like the information's online. Yeah. It's just a waste of money like you're going debt like you're paying all this money that you're not even gonna use this information unless you're networking, which is a big thing. I didn't do that's probably why you know, but even though it's still hard like to go to school actually network when they go to college. It's out. It's like a handful, you know so that's why think school nowadays. If you know what you wanna do then. Yeah, do it. But if you don't, and you have something else that, you know, a tree that you could do or a business that you think will benefit people than do it like, why not, you know, and just do try, you know try to work, your hardest. Add it if you need to do another job, if you need to do other like three different like me just do what you gotta do to do it. You know. And if you makes you happy at them the day that's more than any pays the bills. You know, it's, if it makes you happy, you're not making money then it's, it's kinda hard. But if you have something else to support it and you're still doing than. Yeah. That's fine with you're just relying on that. It's hard. But if you think end up in something, you know, something that will be beneficial than. Yeah. Do it. Then a day. Yeah. Do something short. Why work a job that you hate spend your life on that, like find something you like that you can make money off in live? I don't know to me. If you live to make many like that's heart just to make ends me. But he got to do what you gotta do if you live. Okay. On it then. Yeah. Do it like I'd rather. Live. Okay on something I love doing then to stress myself out doing something I hate making a lot more money. You know what I mean? Like, yeah. Clocking in and just yet you have we have all this money. You came enjoy. Because you're on the weekends. You're just you wanna realize you can't do anything, so miserable miserable. Like just do something to makes you happy doing makes you. Yeah. Exactly. And that I've been doing out quotes, like crazy. I I love quotes love what you do and do it to love. Yeah. Yeah. And that's less model. That's what I've been living off of just, you know, I'm still nowhere to if you would've told me where I'm at ten years ago, I feel like what I had three kids by now a whole house like doing working like you know, normal job or you know, life is what happens while you're busy planning for life. Exactly. Like these are good. I'm just off the top of the dome ear your great Rian down for practices. No. Those are good. Yeah nowhere. We're at that would be. But at the same time, I'm fine room like not. No, you're good. But you're not gonna want more. I want to be. Yeah. I want more. I want to cheat more and don't working at. And if it takes me, another five years, then that's fine. If at the end of the day at the long, you know, forty and I finally get to where I wanna be, then I'm fine. Like it was successful. You know, people don't realize it's like it's not a raise your home. You've got a good job at twenty two and now he's killing it. Like you shouldn't say, I'll look look look at me. What am I do? Like I I'll be happy for him. He he's, your friend, your even if he's not be happy for that person. They probably worked. They're off to get where they're at. But don't look at it like as a competition. Somebody's gonna get married at twenty one how the three kids, the white picket fence and all that. But that's not you. You do what, you know, your life is going to be different. You have your own time line. It's everybody doesn't fall. It would just get married at dude. What stage now. It'd be twenty one twenty two. When? When everybody doesn't get married. The same age doesn't graduate at the same. Exactly people don't agree. Some people go get the grease later. One thing I would say just don't compare yourself. Other people like you're if you're on your own path, and in your word. You're working at it. You'll get there just do what you need to do, like, don't compare. So that's where you start getting down yourself. Like all he's just like okay, but would I gotta do to get there? You know, and just don't get down to stink positive and keep pushing, you know, running off a little town, just something I was reading about two three nights ago. Stop comparing yourself to other people social media, you know, they're Instagram. You see people Instagram. They're sharing their best. They're sharing everything that they have good going for them not bad, not to hate on that. But just you are comparing all of your life, the good the bad the so-so to their best. So when you comparing your bad to their, their best you like all our look at them, but they're looking at your post like, oh, fuck look at them over there, because they're comparing their worst to your best. That's what you're putting out there. You're not seeing their failures. You're not seeing what the win through, like yeah. This might be a great post. But he'll know of it's actually like Reina happen. You know, it might be like. Even be relevant. Like just a I don't know. I feel I love and hate social media, and just because you get a share your storage stub. But keep up with the people you care about the great aspect of much negativity tied to it. I feel like a lot of people just I don't know. Maybe because I'm single right now, if it's 'cause the dating, I don't know. Maybe I'm older by a lot of people compare to their lifestyles to those to this social media, like, you know, influence the drawl that whatever you wanna call him and kinda, you know, look for something towards that he you know, he or she gave me like to the where I wanna be like that. Like. Excuse me. Just compare themselves, some of the relationships everything, like. I don't know. It's, it's different like they wanna be out there, not everybody, but a majority nine just wanna show like just wanna be. I don't know like Gough tangible off subject to feel like could cello like all the herpes? I just saw. Go to Riga festival of. Herbie's isn't. It's not not at all. I feel like back then and used to be I don't know about the music you know now. It's still got good ours. More mainstream but shout out to wanna do. That's why I want to go first time ever wanted to go, like I feel like most people go just post picture. They were kind of not show all but just. Exactly me for. I don't know. It's the look at me. General look what I'm doing. I would say Arjun ration- is still guilty of that. But definitely like everybody under twenty five is like, look what I'm doing. That's why I I mean, I don't hate on Snapchat, 'cause I mean, everybody tells me get a Snapchat. People have told me you should make. Backle snapchat. But yeah. 'cause I know me I'd be on that shit all the time the way people describe it to me, it sounds fun but I no like dude, you're unproductive as it is. Now, you're gonna add this other destruction to your life. I'm like, I'm I'm better off not doing it, but. People. Go ahead. Okay. People it's like this. I can't wait for each season, and you go to the beach and everybody's under fucking phone. I can't wait for dodgers season story dodger game on the format. You're not here for the game you're here to fucking post that you're at the game. You don't go to show to listen to the music like you said, you don't go to art fuck. And what are they called the art shows I guess you don't go to art show like you're there to take a picture to let people know people that you went. Yeah. And I'm like I mean it's one thing. Yeah. The post about a but like if that's all you're there for. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, don't get me wrong. I'll take pictures of should choose. Yeah. I'll take a picture the Dr game but I put my phone down. Once I took that picture enjoy. And you see the whole time like they're just 'cause I've gone with people like that was what I'm saying around people to the beach you, take you have a bonfire. And okay. I took a picture of the bonfires. Well, but you post a picture the bonfire and waiting to see who likes it. When you see comments on it, and like replying like dude, so you don't care about the fucking bonfire out here. You care about the bonfire like, you know, you're not here for the dodger game here for that picture. And it's a little. And it's a little where it's like it's a slippery slope. I'm sure I wouldn't say I'm guilty because I'm very like, okay, I'll take a picture. And I'll if I post it. That's it got off the phone, a throw most of the time I phone is on silent. That's why for the people that text me, the people that Email me. I'm terrible. I know I am. I am. I. Three months. There's still some that haven't read. Know I'm guilty of it to compliment one on do. It wasn't three months. Okay. Let's say like to. Yeah. Let's not man. We're here, we're here and no, no. You know what? You know what the part I appreciate is idea. Do you like eight thirty? Hey, dude, this came up cancelled if you're open to do this, and you're like all this time of work for me. Yeah. And we're here like this was I honestly once there was canceled. I shouldn't even take my fucking equipment in the car. But I said, I'm gonna be out there and something pops up. I have it in the car, rather be prepared. And you came through in the clutch, and this is crazy, 'cause I even thought like dude. I'm having Alex I can two three weeks. This is going to be big because I you know, you're busy. That whole thing you listen to it as I said like that. All right. Like you already sensor here. I'm sure the listener is like fucking loving. You one thing. Okay. I, we'll talk about later, we're going gone. No, no. Like that. That whole like just that, that welcoming the whole. Just like dude wants okay. We did too. That weekend when we went camping prior to that one's seen you. Probably your plate are. By where is he my two years ago? Well, see, they year knows it's you had to be like to I think it was a year. It wasn't that long. Yeah. Yeah. Really? I don't feel like Lassie at times. I'm have a good memory sometimes. But anyways to the point. What I tell you once microphones are on to do you kind of notice him. But at the like five ten minutes your track. And that's what I feel like just kind of, in you and your house, a little tense at the beginning. I was like house is going to go to the first was, how long have we talked our? What do you think throwing? No. In fifteen pretty good. Our nineteen nineteen. Just free flowing the first hour. Please excuse my talking, I was drunk it now pretty good to just talk. I'm a little too crazy to, to talk. Can't yes. So what you're seeing, like, I feel. That vibe when you meet somebody, you never met you could feel that there had talked this things we talk about with my friends like Izzy air, like, like we meet up and go capita. Talk about stuff like this just real life stuff. You know, like when you meet somebody, you could, you know that saying, you're, you're vibe introduce you to be free even speed like you could really sense, this person before, even leaving talk just the way it's I don't know how his his rive, it's vice you could the energy whatever you wanna call it. Yeah. Yeah. So that's I think that's. You know, you learn a lot from that person just before just when you meet on just how the are their energy will enter you. They haven't. That's what, you know, me like I like I like to have fun elect to be positive like to, you know, be happy, just because if you're not then when you meet, so many, they're not gonna feel that they're not gonna feed off that they're not going to feel that energy. So that's what I try to be. You know, me always joking around just trying to lighten the mood. Yeah. That's what I want to go on. I totally agree with you mean by. Filling. I like sentence on these energy when you meet them isn't it welcoming? Like I always feel like. When you start a new job when you start a new whatever may be, you know, a new fucking Sunday League team. Simple things somebody saying, hey, man, like. Welcome this, I went out of his way you know, 'cause I fucking what hold him. I know thirty I'm thirty. And in some of those Sunday League teams hours old on the team at twenty six twenty five. These kids were like fucking fresh out of high school, eighteen nineteen and dues on the men here, and then one of like the fucking that dad's like taking the kids to the fucking Sunday League team play pretty good. I'm glad you're out here with the kids, you know, just like thank you, sir. You know, like fuck somebody said, I'm just standing around like a fucking in fucking center field for fuck and five innings before anybody said a word. And this guy just kind of like, hey, man. Like I appreciate being out here. You know, like I wasn't never good. It'd be honest. I was all right. I'm not a fucking and, you know, to be, you know, I had a few opportunities, you know, people like, hey, man. I heard you pretty good you wanna complete with the, I'm always fucking dude. I love baseball. I wanted to play, especially with once I got older and the opportunities weren't as often and. Just like somebody. He may pretty good like fuck in. You're doing these kids favorably to shorts bad ass third base since about ask, why are they fucking batting me second or I, I was I. No. I do. I was leading off. We were good Oregon. Your second. Yeah. Second for awhile. But he'll give me like the people that go out of their way to make you feel welcome. You're so appreciative 'cause like dude, you're the new guy. I'm talking to fuck. I'll talk to anybody. But I don't know anybody. Hey guys, whatever. Whatever on the new guy. And nobody says shit. You're just like all right. Cool, cool. What do I do? Now. I'll fucking play for a few games. See fit in or not. And when that person the, you know, it was a dad of one of the players that and they saw like fuck this guys showing up. He's working hard. He's fucking putting in the time you know, he's in here fucking around the all started kind of, but hey man like. What's up? Like what do you do fucking play ball, man? That's what I do. I come here to I'm not talking about the same shit is to talk about on the king cobras where we drink this weekend, whose parties Palau minute, I'm here to play. Dude. I. Didn't take time in my day. So I gotta make a worthwhile once he started kind of seeing the Android. Like you're pretty cool. I remember the first time anybody called me cool, like food, like you guys are the cool kids, you are fucking eighteen nineteen. Enjoy your weekend showing drunks the game. And I'm like the fucking old man off fucking bastard. We're gonna get fucking. What's it called mercy because you're hung over, and it was just a I remember that team specifically clues just like the all went out of their way, you know, like, hey man, anything we can do to make you feel welcome. Why, like why? You know, I, I was more shocked anything because you liked it. Yeah. It's, it's very rare for them to be like this. So when I saw like more more than just a few people, you know, have the team quite of their way to make me feel welcome. It was kind of like this kind of cool. It took me by surprise surprise. And it's I don't know. It's just especially nowadays with everybody on their phones. Like I feel like you don't get that much. You know that often it's just people on the phones. Like if you took phones wait, do people even know how to actor interact, like they don't crazy, like you can't just have a conversation anymore. I mean it's not like I experienced before phones because I've always. Generates. Yeah, but I go and how conversation so me. I don't need my phone marriages, but people can't congress eight. And you know, I bartended for a few years. And I remember this was twenty house. Twenty one twenty two eight nine years ago, eight nine years ago and smartphones weren't that smart back. Then they were just kind of like the first iphone, they were just flip all they know they were, they were dumb phones, I call them because they were smartphones but they weren't all that great. And people would come in and ordered looking down at their phone, the whole time. Whatever whatever my little sales pitch. You know you gotta do we weren't corporate. But you still gotta try sell them. And it's been Kenny Chris whole time they're playing farmville. You know, you're like motherfucker like like this shit is more important than your food. Like do you ever fuck in? I don't know your girlfriend your sister, your mom lever. This woman is one of you like she doesn't demanded respect for you to be fucking, and it's only getting worse. It's like I don't really socialize much I do a difference, socialize on social media. That's. Like everybody. Yeah. But that's what it is. It was. What is turned to? It's just crazy to see it 'cause like he you're my pretty much like three months, two months younger than me, three months, three Marie September. Yeah. Your Christmas Eve show shout, Santa. Oh, Santa Santa. Okay. Maybe jesus. Yeah. Just eight eight pound six ounces. He's from fucking, Ricky, Bobby talented. Oh, yeah. I did see that can be. I have a good memory in the sense. I remember Bush has. But I can't remember like a fuck in remember the tragic formula, but as squared plebeian where he was see scraped shout out to Mr. Wayne. Use the greatest. Yeah. Is shout Mr. Lang. He's. The third time come up on the podcasts mystery spoke like this. All right. Well anyways. Social media, misselling easy. Let's let's not. That's cool guy, not rag. But like talking about the wings or. Yes. So should media is just it's did you see what you're doing? You're busy man. You know, you know that whole thing correlation doesn't cause cassation, right? Correlation does not equal causation. Yeah. But, like, like let's say all right. I don't know an example. Let's say it's raining in California, like in the summer for whatever reason, say, rains, like in the next in June and July, rains fucking twenty days out of those two months. And then we have three earthquakes people be like, oh, all that rain fucking made made it made the urge shake it's fucking, and that's what it means like correlation. They quarterly doesn't equal cost Asian and to explain it. Explain the terribly, but that's a good explanation. Well around the time smartphones became prevalent in today's society, you and I are too old for this. But like everybody like twenty two and younger. The percentage of suicides bike through the roof early, and it's something that I kinda got into, but not really like as deep as about to I'm not saying social media is to blame for the suicide. I mean it's anything that makes suicide jump is looked at under a microscope because you don't want people killing themselves anything that's making children kill themselves is fucking under many, a microscope kids are killing themselves, and people much much much smarter than I are fucking looking at this. This is about to be coming up. Derek like the numbers are just through the roof like this is a trend visit not like a little blip in the radar like this. Like all of a sudden, like a few more kids, kill the is like no, they've been killing themselves, more and more, and more and more and more. And the one thing that is tied to it, which I will gladly say it's not. Correlation. We can't say it's too soon, but it's social media. And what do you think like what is causing what in social media is with the bullying the bullying that do a lot of these kids have a bunch of dams? Because. And one thing I was at ran one of the early episodes we kind of talked about a little bit. And it was back in the day. You know, you got bullied you at home and it was over. Yeah, that's been nowadays nowadays, it's like oh, did DM you don't make fake Peterson DM? You don't make fee Peter's about you, and like hell to people and, and, you know, like this other kids killed himself after he told the principal till the cows like eighties. Happened Dade said like need, you can't let them get you like that's not advice that's advice in the nineteen thirties. That's why I mean, our love teachers, they're doing a hell of a job. But that's why like these teachers need to do a better job of these. I'm not saying it's outside the teacher job, but it should be a part of it, it should. But do you think there's needs to be somebody now with social media that needs to be somebody extra? I do in the system. Okay, you go mechanic, here's an assistant. You go to fuck in or the donnas. He has an assistant Thomas. He has an assistant. Why can't fuck and teach teacher like a social media council dude sounds stupid, but is that down? So. Now with social. When I think kids, I'm talking about fifteen and under. Yeah. I, I mean, some people say already teenagers, but. Dude dude at fifteen doing what was it like a sophomore flood chunk less? Do you know what? Like dude, glad he didn't. But it might be like, oh, fucking kills us out, because they fucking chocolate made fun of them. I used to make not make fun of you. The nickname hippie. Hippie. Yeah. Just I mean, I didn't care like you know, but there's not there's not those that they now days, everything in like it, not just that, but it's you get home and you have a bunch of fucking pages, about shoot or like comedy. It's and. It's yeah, it's a chain of the older generation doesn't realize it tilling of these kids like. It's one of those things where like you say, maybe they should get out social media. Okay. Let's let's get them on social media, but anytime any kids are killing themselves, like we should say, hey, man. What's going on in order to? There's still kids on that still. They still posting about like the still post about you in your friends, still showing Email. It's evenly. You're not on it. Like, there's still it's the internet. It's there is no way to work around it that we I don't know. I don't know. I wish I had an answer do this, but we it's we society, we need, we need to start looking at this, like, in a in a more aggressive state, like the kids shouldn't be killing themselves for whatever reason for fucking. If it's bullying orientates fuck, I don't know man, 'cause their parents are killing themselves. What if there was a reason for it? We would say, hey, do let's fix it. And that's what I'm saying we, we need as a science. 'cause think about it's how many of your friends have kids. I don't I have three friends. Just give me. I mean, okay, how many people that you fall on social media have kids a lot? Yeah. I mean my age. Imagine imagine. That thirty percent in the next ten years kill themselves. Isn't that crazy? Thirty percent is at the rate, that's what's projected to. Yeah. Fifteen years. Yeah, it's been doubling every year for the past seven years. And so we're not there yet. We might not get I hope not. When you see we know exactly like it's not projections change. They fizzle out something else happens. Maybe social media dies. Maybe this new generation, I did FOX social media and these stop abruptly it all just goes to shake. I don't think so. Either way, we're going. Yeah. It's like. I showed this article as girl who got her Instagram deleted at. She made a YouTube video crying saying that was her life. That's how she made money like these to not too many. But just a lot of kit. A lot of the younger generation reliance social media. Now, the that's how they wanna make their money. I mean if you're smart. Yeah, but. It's different than what we grew up, you know. It's, it's complicated. It is. It is. I remember in third grade. I wanted to be without knowing what it was only have your on TV told me what do you want to do, when you grow? But said I wanna play video games for money. So you can't do that. That's not viable. Okay. Well, I wanna make me doing. Oh, yeah. You could be a graphic designer. And as you told me all the work that had to go into a whole. Like other than sound like fun at all. She had ten years of school. And if I was tangents. Dr back, then, you know, we don't know. But, like, oh fuck they're like in third rail. Like, okay. That's not that's not the reason. Cool and I'll sign about this. Have our. Are you familiar with twitch? I heard about it. Okay. So twitch I'm probably fuck this up from what I know I guess, twitch is like a YouTube before gamers. Yeah. You. Yeah. You just. So you're watching them play. Yeah. And sounds fun. It sounds fucking stupid. But the, the big ones they have, like two hundred three hundred thousand followers, they're the best, and then they have two thousand people a month, sending them like five ten dollars. That's not a lot of money five thousand five ninety five dollars. But that a lot of people do that yet thousand a month, you know, and they're playing video games. And I was like that fucking bid. Should never been. But I just fucked. No. Now I could pick up fee for playing or whatever the game is what is important and all that I haven't played a game in years. I played a couple of games last year, the last game, I played was backyard baseball was computer publicist says ever. Yes. Ninety nine ninety nine. Yeah. Yeah. Like I mean there's. If you could find a way. Yeah, if you're smart about, but just to post to make a living off. Interim just to post. I don't know. It's touchy subject, you know, no fuck them feel free. Don't let things touchy dude. If they take offense fuck them. No. It's not anything bad. It's just. I saw good buying something to benefit people. If you do that, you know if you wanna make social than. Find something to benefit people like make money, benefiting helping other people, that's not what they wanna do man. They wanna postal Titi picture and get fucking thousand guys try to get any legs. So, yeah, it is 'cause I forgot who posted it. I'm sure they'll be like no message that was posted. But somebody posted like they delete, Instagram and all you Instagram. I. House, you and how you Instagram models aren't famous anymore. What are you gonna do? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So alex. And it's a truth, it is. But yeah I mean I mean their models. Yeah, I get it. I don't I don't know. But see there's a difference because the model is like doesn't just have to be nude, you could be on fucking FHM, maxim voles over models can be on Instagram. I'm an Instagram modeling, the fuck me like I'm fucking. I'm a Twitter king instrumentals or different than remodels. Yes. 'cause he almost Sunday League champ. The World Series champ. Like if I'm a, you know, I manage my team the championship could GM. Exactly. Yeah. Because they're terrible. Yeah. Dodging when it been saying that for you on talk about baseball base- for a little bit, your whatever you to do. I don't. Same. I in the last. Oh. No. Okay. I don't eat the dodgers. Shout out to the dodgers. I know 'cause I know everybody's gonna be like, oh, you hate to talk about about. I don't know dodger son. We should have won the lottery last two. You have no shoes. Yeah. So it's not like oh you made it to the Chantale. The goal was twenty. Okay. So thirty thirty ESPN shutouts ESPN, the plug the bills, they'll ask three three Super Bowls. It's one of the most embarrassing things history, people don't look at them like, oh, it's fucking hard to get Super Bowl there. Seventeen have never made a Super Bowl. And yet they may three back to back to it. But they lost all three. If the dodgers make another World Series, lose it, dude. They'll be on the bills level. I did. Yeah. It's disappointing. I agree. It's I can't talk shit. Man. You guys knocked his out of the playoffs last year. No, I'm not I'm not trying to hate on you guys. I'm just saying we've in Argo was doing it. Oh, we didn't do it. It's at the end of the day. It's not it's not a we made it to the charter. It's a disappointing year. You didn't reach the goal that you wanted, so. Yeah, not funny. But weren't nineteen. Right. So twenty seventeen they got close Astros. I guess where the better team I thought you guys way. But the Astros were the better team they want it all, and I, I know. And I remember twenty eighteen let's say March April. At least my homeys on social media posting World Series or bust. That's what you know all the fans are angry, like we're gonna win this year. And I was like Andrew, like it's good that, you guys know that if you don't win the World Series, it's a fucking failure because you spend all that money all these players wasted. And then they lose and I'm not talking shit. I just say, hey, man. It's a buzz like fuck you, we got to the World Series. I'm like, oh, man. Do that day, you're not the chance. So it was disappointing year. It was a failed year. Yeah, a lot of I don't know a lot of fans like that. A lot of fair weather fans, I guess it, call it. Yeah. In honestly, all you know, we I've been, you know, I traveled to different ballparks done. You did the whole tour would like is he? We did Eric Eric for all we did that for. So is import job. We did Dow, like traveling of heated Colorado seen Louis Kan city bowl, Chicago's Milwaukee. Yeah. Was that six six? Yeah. And then we did with, Eric, we flew to west coast museum air east. What say? What? This beer strong home, we're into the east coast in knocked off both New York Boston Baltin on Boston that no, no, no. With the New York Philly Washington Baltimore those five. Yeah. Just being two different stadiums. I realized are fenced suck. We're just talking. They don't know baseball like they're just I guess is the gangsters. Oh, we have the gangster. I mean. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it'd be just because they're Brown. No. Okay, if you could tell like they're not gangs, you can tell, you know, like I don't I, I don't explain it. But yeah, it's just the talking smut like you could tell you never play baseball in their life and they're just talking about. Okay, we go. All these other seems it's cool. Like it's a Clova. Like if you go to understand you're wearing though that our teams do that fucking three times a year every year, and your is pretty dangerous to do that. I mean. Okay, if you're back. Yes, I talked back. I. I'm the guy that's like book you before they say anything they, they get the fuck outta here. Shea eat your fucking sex. He didn't know he's never met an author. Okay. Okay. Let's not, sir. Okay. I'm about to drop this, Mike. Cluj though he's saying he didn't suck but he was he was eight either. My phone. Pull up the clutch moments. We shouldn't have been down and shit like six walk off hits. That's clutch, I wouldn't call it. Clutch. Anyways. Yeah. Just Cloonan different parts. If dodger Shirley, what are you start talking like pro like there's a certain level, you know? You guys go dodger seen throwing stuff at you like cloudy like there's different level. You know, I guess, you know, the stadiums you mentioned, you know, especially like Kansas City and Saint Louis. Those are baseball towns notice respect to them. But that's all they have a true. Kansas City is known for what the royals and the chiefs on just get. Yeah. They know how much Louis the blues alleys big city, big city. So they have all these things not. So when. There could be a dodger game the same night. There's a king's name a Lakers game. I don't think football's like around the same time. You take. Yeah. Boorish so dodgers on the playoffs. Exactly. So when these guys that's all they have to look for. So they always say these are these towns. And when, you know, even even York, like it's wrestles, the first person to say that they're not asshole. They were were they weren't. They were heard a couple of people that aren't too bad. But not see people have told me like I went to a game earlier this year, and it was like are way better like its way say from your fucking boring. Everybody. Everybody's just sitting there like fuck it like. It's not like your baseball game. It's almost like you had a fucking office. You gave me so I mean you want that I'd rather. Want? If this couples in like, you know, the posing wearing the posing jersey like I don't want them getting stuff thrown hadn't like why. They're just they're enjoy the game. You're making, you know, making a hard for them like you're trying to call something trying to fight like why do people that don't Braves fan? And I have a Tomahawk and I'll be like, oh, now, though, the native Americans account I can get. No, like do that, like the fucking you're gonna do. I don't know. Man, I, I'll say time not gangster, but I'm not fucking scared. Like with the book you can do, but it's just I don't know. Man, I guess I'm wired clear doing that. And then the. Don't get me wrong. Shout out got though me and got kicked out. I don't even know who you played. I went to we got we got kicked out, just because we were being too aggressive with the crowd 'cause I don't even know why he's a fucking dodger fan, but somebody started talking. We started talking shit back and ended up kicking us out, and we'll do this dodger van like what are you talking about? It wasn't against the Braves because he would have not been on my side. But it's just one of those things where people are assholes in general, and some of them have been to where dodger jerseys because dodger fan man. I'm not dodger fan, but I love going start stadium in those are year where they play eighty one home games so hundred sixty two games. He's in for the girls listening that don't fucking know, shit about baseball, at least that much risk for just come during the oh, that's a good line. There's fucking eighty one home games. And I went to about forty of them, dude. She was crazy for. I don't even realize it happen there. Probably Russia went to one. No, no on saying about in my early twenties. My early twenties. It was it was, it was wild and I want to like. Two or three games a week and to fucking love it there. And I wear opposing team's colors every time I will never wear daughter. I we would to. Seems like totally like thing dodgers saints the worst. But that's mine. A little bit. Like I love this teams. Yeah, it's all, but, you know the alpha just seen the bonders like I remind it's the fans are the worst. I guess that's what I you, man. The long wrong. Yeah. Kind of I thought, though, but after a while, like just the fans some of the some of the fans. Yes. Yeah. I mean, hopefully I've done other done probably done like eighteen or nineteen hundred forty two and there's only thirty stadiums. I seriously I was going over early damn I've been to fifty four. There's fifty. These days, I was kinda like Puerto Rico. Culet probably. Yeah. So I mean Virgin Islands. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm trying to hopefully this year, it kind of knock off couple more, at least once yet own to Seattle, I love like taurine Pacific northwest is just beautiful. Like if you love being enforced and trees, you're driving on the freeway, there's hills trees, beautiful. So I kinda I kinda want to take a trip. There can wanna do couple national parks up there just for I don't know. We'll see. But yeah, that's the plan just not stadium couple national parks. Yeah. That's beautiful. I kind of feel like we could go on for hours. I know we could it's probably what five hours in at least, but I don't wanna drag it on just for the sake of dragging on I'd rather bring you back sometime soon. Is there anything you wanna add or? Yeah. Just, you know, basically what I've been saying, live your life. These aren't the words of wisdom yet. So if you were with him. No, no. But I mean if you wanna plug anything in talk about. Stuff. We'll tell you about touring tai-bo starting brand. Just doing something love. Tugwell baseball. Quick. I wish I looked at a lot of us clear before even started lightly. It's more times. I don't know. What else? What else can you think of mine? Just being he don't just being, I guess, I would say just being more CHAI being more of a positive not necessarily positive, but, like try Smalley more just trying to live happier. You know, like, yeah, I know you work normal nine to five job, you know, working Javi. Hey, it's, it's just try like I thought like how many of us actually saw GRANDE Dame, take, like just a debrief and just relax, like how knee like not even mean like I don't even do live in the moment. Take a deep breath and just for you. Buy anything like we don't do that were always on the go. We're always trying to do something. Always busy, especially here. Like sure. The people driving. Trifecta just wanna go home like their sin traffic in just, you know, just get home and just wanted to like go sleep or to stub, like how many of us, actually. Take a deep breath and just like feel good. You know, feel good. So, yeah, just smell the roses. Are we saw people smell the roses smell like shit? Do they smell the roses? I, I should do that. You know, I actually don't I do say that. I do tell people smell because people, I don't know why people amount that's more guys. But he's pretty smart. People always ask me for advice on my dude. Stop and smell the roses. And they tell you, what do you mean by that might leaving the moment? Enjoy. One thing I say, a lot, a lot always people like sit down get them comfortable chair. Put your phone charger. I don't people don't like being told what to do. So I put your phone to charge you're going to need it. Yeah. Go outside and look at the moon, this look at the moon. The moon to me put things in perspective. There's so much of anything out there. There's a lot of money. There's a lot of wealth. There's a lot of fucking freedom. There's poverty. There's a lot of waste. There's a lot of pollution. Everything. And yet on that fucking moon. There's been a handful of people on. Oh shit. You're a flutter. Like around person talked about. You lost there. And, and you give me like it's one of those were just like dude. Yeah. Go take a picture later of the moon in when you need your phone. But it's just like fuck we are so insignificant. We're here for a little bit, dude. If you're lucky to one hundred years, yes, all recorded history. I think is he actually puts that today like? Recorded history of it was a twenty four hour clock than tire. Just not the universe. Not fucking solar system, just earth. If it was on a twenty four hour. Clock like on a time limit or whatever, like the last five seconds are humans being around and the last three seconds like recorded history, like dude. We're insignificant. Like ten years. People are gonna forget about each other hopefully not. But, like a majority of us will end up with Alzheimer's. We're gonna forget, everything if you live to live that long. So why not enjoy the now man as fuck? Enjoy life is sure. Like, if the if your life ends tomorrow, what are you gonna be remembered by working like, you know, not enjoying life? I just enjoy do. I don't know. Like I forget, who told me this. We were drunk somewhere. And we were high, we were very high. We're passing a Brown, a blunt, pressing around the blue editor podcasts like that. We would I would go on for hours, I wanted to, but I was like, when I have the space for it, like, smoke anywhere, or we unless we smoke in the car and they come back in and record. But then we probably forget and just stay in the car. But I was press the start button like twenty four twenty five and somebody told me like one day. They prefer it by asking me, like, are you religious? I don't know. Man, I don't know where I'm at I was younger, then I was like twenty two twenty one I don't know. I don't know what I believe right now. I'm kind of in that struggle between this, and that told me it doesn't matter what you are at the end of the day man you're going to be dead. That's true. And we were high as fuck, right? So everything's kinda hitting you. You're like, yeah. Yeah. You know that feeling that. Yeah. Right. He told me like. One day. Your life is going to flash before your eyes. Make sure it's worth watching house. You know. Yeah. Like to for me. So I always try to tell myself that. I feel content as not like I'm saddled in, but I feel like okay I'm doing more now in my last two three years, then I did back fucking five six years ago, but I still want more. And that's why you know I this conversation do I see the hungry and you I see you want more and make it pumps me up like fuck you act like look at this guy fucking not to focus on that part. But you're like not showering for two like this a sacrifice. Plus, you wanna shower, you wanna cold shower buckets, some fresh, the ordering some warm food home cooked meal, but you make sacrifices known just do things that you have the sack like sleeping in the car doing dry in a long drive. Just there's a lot. But, you know, it's behind the scenes where people don't say that you don't see, like what I've gone like the failures the do. That's great. Talk about are you? Are you comfortable talking about your failure? I mean. Mean. Yeah. I what did you say? I don't appreciate my failures. But I, I. I welcome them. You know, 'cause failures part of life, I nobody nobody bets thousand for those of you not familiar with baseball batting average. Like nobody about two thousand you're gonna fail in order to be successful. You have to fail. Failure is part of life. Is you learn from? Yeah. You do yet. I don't care. Keep one. Talked about it when we were not buzz. That's true. Not remember. About failure failure failure, specifically, just you don't like I said, when I first, buddy. Sure is like scorch marks on them. Had I plugged in two different dryers, and it had house in smoke like the power strong amount. Just printing a bunch of stuff that didn't come AGA just feel like it took time to a lot of money, a lot of time and. Going to festivals not prepared to learn from it. Learning would sounds like. What to take just? Failures just learning your sakes learning how to do how. Learning trade. Learn graphic design just doing stuff that takes you our dune, you could have just done in, like ten minutes. If you would like learn it the right way, and just, it's it takes time. It's lifting restricts, like we said earlier. Yeah. All right. Man. I, I feel like we repeat ourselves. Maybe we should end it. Let's. We'll be it'll be high. I really do. I let's do both. We'll do both next time. All right. But. All right. First off plug of give a shout out to the band give a shout out to yourself, your page or website. Shot to terra for taking me on the road for couple towers action more than couple definitely. Check them out. Great music positive message going to be the be huge one day my brand on Instagram should get out uplift apparel. Shop uplift dot com. Yeah. Just if you need me for printing, if anybody. So I like to help a lot of bands, how a lot of companies out with printing. Like I know what it's like to get started like. The financial, you know how much money it takes to get stuff started because needs shirts or something for your business for your bands. Lemme now charter gotta deal. I know how tough it is. If out of the time, I'm going to help you out. That's what I'm trying to do trying to help out others. 'cause I got a lot of help when I first started, so I'm trying to give it back. Yeah. Let me know. Check. Yeah. Sin message will smile even know that looks. Yeah. Yeah. Alex underscore uplift. No Alexopoulos me a message if you need anything, as far as like promotional still like shirt, something yum here. I'm always down to help out. Is it not yet just one word Alex upland? Yeah. Yeah. All right. And this isn't a south how podcast by any means. And I mean, you're helping ourselves just by your message, but give the audience something some words of wisdom on anything. Any subject anything anything just some more just. Try to just live life, happier smile more. Hongik mad at the little things. If somebody wants to merge into your lane, I've talked about this. What, what is two seconds of emergent condition? You're gonna be late two seconds cares. Like let help other people live life, happier. Don't get mad at the little things 'cause day you're gonna forget about it just. Yeah. Live your life. All right. Alex, it's been a pleasure. That was good. Beer. Man. I thank you for joining me. Thanks for awesome. Dude again. Thank you for listening. We'll see you next time wasn't that great. Hope you enjoyed it. Thanks for listening all the way through. So the two mistakes, I made the first one silly, it's not really a big deal. I said, oh, I remember the tragic formula. Whatever whatever I was drinking. That's not the correct formula. I today squared plus vs critical C squared. I'm not dumb. But I made a stupid as mistake. That's Pythagorean theorem. And the second one, which is a little bit more important. I said, the suicide rate is projected to go up to thirty percent then that's fucking crazy. As soon as I heard it, you know, after the fact, well, what will the, the suicide rate is going up thirty percent per year per year per year. So it's even though that stupid high in it's still ugly. It's not as bad as getting to thirty percent thirty percent of the population is just crazy. But yeah, so the suicide rate is still going to we still have to figure out why we've got gotta, you know. Can't have that. And but yeah, so that's the big mistake. It's thirty percent per year. It's a growing epidemic, but they say it should fizzle out, or at least plateau about seven percent, which is still high, but it's nothing like thirty percent. So that's my mistake. I apologize. I'll try to limit the mistakes obviously. But you know as soon as I heard it, I knew that was wrong. And don't thanks for listening. And I hope that the mistakes didn't ruin the, the episode for you, as always, you can find on Instagram, Facebook and YouTube under the cool kids table podcast and on Twitter under the cool kids pot. Thank you. Have a great one.

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055 The Poet X by Elizabeth Acevedo

Book Club with Julia and Victoria

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055 The Poet X by Elizabeth Acevedo

"We wanted to read literally every every single one. Yeah very care so it's wonderful. Yeah i read the whole thing. Two days harshly because victoria takes longer to read things. I i hope wes anderson as a young child thought to themselves study. He learns the gortat static. You like historical fiction. And i liked dragon. Welcome to book club with julia. In victoria we are two roommates and friends since high school. Who read a book and talk about at each episode this episode. We're going to be discussing the pote acts by elizabeth osservato. And if you haven't read the book already we highly recommend you grab it race through it because it is such a engaging read and then come back. We're to have spoilers in this conversation. But if you don't care about spoilers or you've already read it. Welcome to the party. Welcome guys. this episode is dedicated to at victorian is the recent victory in a team movie trivia game and rousing comeback story. One is make it a moving. Make it a broadway musical. We were down. Many many points described the point system of this game latte relevant but we were down by many and then became back one by few so. That's movie magic right there. I think we literally one by one of them but this also felt like we were trying to think back. When was the last time we had been paired a team in a game and we like the last one we can. Both remember was like end of senior year of college. This is like twenty seventeen. We went to this like cute little brewery in southern california. She was visiting me a college and they were doing a trivia night. And i realize it and we this doing in twenty one years old and meal can go to hit rory's trivia night now look at esco and then we did so think between the two of us as like i million to fund backs julie has an endless array of pop culture knowledge. Gordon trivia you just know like deep knowledge on a lot of stuff jaka. We dislike failed miserably and we would have been in last place except last place team left halfway through. They didn't finish the game and that's the only way we could beat them out. Points wise attracted mortifying good thing. We didn't know anyone in this. Little hip worry. yeah. I think we're competing against the other groups. Look like they were in their late thirties. And i it felt a bit like a generational thing of experience and knowledge in trivia playing in beer-drinking ahead of us. They also. okay. We're getting all these caveats. Describe why we lost at the shame when the truth indication is the fact that we actually won because for ones our friends sauce remains a lot of a team together because apparently being really good friends who are both known as bookish smart people people. You can't the same team you deem and we're like this is going to be good at this. Yeah but i now refined would i know but not by a lot. I've feeling it really was a toss up. You know like it was just luck of the films that we were drying like. I really like hull. There was a really embarrassing moment. Where i was facing off against. Natasha and i had to name as many books that were made into movies. As i could think of. And i could think of exactly two. It was the most like this is where i'm supposed to shine. This is made into films. It's like my wheel. Gets the intersection of your ven diagram and i just completely went blank. I was like victoria. Had to remind me about harry potter like a shining moment now but neither was relying when it was like. Hey victoria. he's a bunch of movie quotes. What movie they frown movie. Themes what are they about references to things you really should know. And i didn't get them but yeah here we stand true. We stand the only the only one that broke my heart was. You didn't get the gladiator quote. Because i was really proud of that one and it was solid and the fact that i recognize the Does say something. But i haven't seen the movie. I haven't seen those movies and not half the movies that we won cards on us. And i just like i could get you to guess like the movie poster of kill bill because all on a of good beaumont she just described the movie poster. Serve quote the movie. The movie you make up a quote and quote was. I'm sexy blonde woman standing against the backdrop and i don't think you even said a sword i just like knew exactly what i don't and i think i did a again. I don't know what weapons yeah. i think. You did guns but yet she has. She famously has a sword. It's like a samurai film but with a blonde interesting yeah Anyway was tuesday night our tuesday night and we feel really proud of ourselves and we needed to share that with all of you this very very small small victory that we have accomplished talking about the book. Now maybe again. This is a podcast about books. If you're listening. Malcolm i ju- but welcome again. I found this book. Because julian i wanted to read Clopping land which is also by with. Vito and it came out this year on me like we heard things about it supposed to be super good i go to order it and the cheapo i am. I'm like ooh julia. They only have hardcover so like quick. Google what else did she. I'm like well. She wrote the poet. Exit looks like it wants him. Awards and good reviews also written unlike the same style as far as like. It's all It's a novel of Verse novel pro the exact opposite and and that's why read it which is like a really like silly little story of i wanted to save seven dollars. Wait to by talking you land when it comes out in paperback but the kodak's were excited to read other novels. Yeah i think. I vaguely remember her like having heard of this book. I think back. When i worked at like creative writing education nonprofit they had a really good collection of why fiction and so i probably saw this book around definitely this author and But it so. When i heard when i saw the title is like yes. This like rings a bell but i knew nothing about it. I didn't even know. It was poetry. I i was like very surprised. I didn't realize you were like anticipating that going into this. When the book came in. I was like victoria. It's all it's all poems except for the occasional essays for high school english and i have to say it made the book a very fast read and it felt kind of inhale it like you were just sort of taking her very raw emotions and just like breathing. The man and you were just like in this sort of state of being for a while and i felt compelled read through the whole thing all at once and to like i sort of forced myself to pause every once in a while because i was like that was a lot of poetry that i just read. That's a lot of feelings. And i need to really like sit with that for a minute. Because like she covered a lot of ground in those pages. And i just whipped through that so i think i read it in a couple of like three or four sittings but half of the book was read in a span of twenty four hours like i at once. I got to a certain point. I just kind of ran through it but Yeah i absolutely loved it. It was super moving and so creative and an incredible. why novel. that didn't really feel like why i don't know it was. It was really good. Yeah i feel the same way. I definitely i feel like a big gulp like i just consumed the book and i'm excited to sit and talk about it more. I feel like it'll help me. Like process some of it and harsher. I don't know where we want to dig into the structure of the poems because it's just so well constructed as a whole novel set you like you're very aware it's poetry but you don't feel like you're reading a collection of poetry because you're not you're reading online. It's like it's just this. Like seamless blend of the two. Jonah's together That yeah the craft is amazing Just pulls into the story and an even poetry collections that have like a consistent through line story or narrative ideas. I find myself like oh. That was a good poem. I need a sit and think or you to sit and process or a minute this down and go do something else now but like this book. I couldn't stop last night. Was definitely gonna turn into one of those. Stay up to one in the morning finished reading the book. If my partner wasn't like you need to put that down. It's you should go to sleep now and i'm like you're right. I've been talking about how tired all week and staying up to one of the to finish a book that will be there tomorrow. Say worth it But yeah i found i. I thought i was a bit concerned that it was going to have the heft of a- poetry collection because like poetry collections tend to feel emotionally draining. I suppose or like you feel like you have to read it multiple times in order to really fully grasp what it's talking about and i don't know if it's because like something about the way she writes really concrete immediate I don't know exactly what it is but it i was worried it would feel like a lot of work even though it was wasn't very many words but it was the exact opposite it was like each sort of pages like a scene and or a moment We can talk about pacing a bit but the like every single moment i felt like was fully captured but then i immediately was like wow. That was so beautiful. I need to know what happens next. I need to see the next moment. I need to like see this from the other person's perspective and yet so it had that sort of forward momentum of plot that you get in a novel if very easy and it was dealing with some very emotionally like some really deep stuff you know and But it didn't feel hard. It felt like nice felt good to read Which i feel like is a big feat in and of itself So yeah. I'm excited to read her next one. How i'm sure we'll cover it on here and are we. Were just talking before this me do like tannin tire episodes of books by authors. We've already discussed just because we want more of the We've you know already learned to love to through this podcasts. Were doing equals. Yeah i mean also has two other books out and another on the way A little bit about the author. She was born and raised in new york city Specifically in the neighborhood of morningside heights Her parents are immigrants from the dominican republic and offer latina she Grew up with brothers. And they really encouraged her in her desire to write as a poet and also to wrap Really great article that George washington university wrote up about her will then get in the show notes and Her brothers talk about how she would come to this. Where all these guys hanging out like them and their friends like talking about rap and like the music they were into you and she would come with her raps written on index cards in area. Currently do that like you know spit on all your rhymes in your apps and i normally like free messing up selling go here but she found her place on really bloomed in the slam poetry community. She started slam poetry at ages. Fourteen was one of the youngest to compete in her first competition and actually the elements of the products are like somewhat autobiographical. Instead the place that. I'm the character of ciara. Does her first poetry slam as the same location. That elizabeth did poetry slim and also went on to get her bachelor's degree from george washington university and ended a blended program that she made up for herself of performance arts english and sociology. She continued to Teach during the After her timing university she Joined teach for america and worked as a teacher and a middle school and then eventually went out to get her. Mfa in creative writing at the university of maryland. She now lives in dc with her spouse who is also age w grads secure amoled can moy And her spoken word. Poetry took her all over the place so while she was teaching and volunteering and doing a lot of work in the creative writing space she was also going on competing and she won on the national poetry slam competition and eventually decided to start writing the poem access her first novel or i should say start reading books. She'd been writing for a very long time obviously The products for years to write and was published in two thousand eighteen And reading an interview with her publisher it sounds like it was an immediate connection for the two of them and realizing this is a good fit. Us doesn't amazing writer and she has a contract with harpercollins to write a book every year. Basically until twenty twenty one so the next year with the fire on high came out in twenty nineteen then company. Land this year Reading that article that came out a couple years ago That's what such contract twenty twenty one. I don't know given kobe times. If her book. Launches shifted at all. And what the next book is going to be but other exciting news copy land was just bought yesterday. The tv rights was announced. So that'll be coming to tv eventually question mark. There are no filming deadlines right now. Like nothing israel. Yeah maybe sometime in some Some spaces you might see as a tv. Show some day but the producer bruna papa andrea She's producer who helped with gone girl and big little eyes the most of other Other films and tv shows are responding semi interesting when we do authors that are closer to our age so a bit younger in their careers Slash still alive. The authors like agatha christie whether it's like a whole world of information and people who written like research on her life on her books and there's just so much out there and then there's people like those with us veda who's still alive. It'd be you know she can manage your own brand presence online in like basic once. Birthday idaho combining league. Maybe just want him. You know exactly how old she is but I mean she's probably early. Thirties is my understanding. So yeah i will. Just give a quick summary of this book. I think the best way to describe this is like it's a novel made of technically made a primary texts because it's not all poetry for the most part it's poetry but there's a few poems that are actually text messages between our main character seal. Mata what's her last name. That's what it is. Yeah Between our main character seem batista and usually her brother or her best friend. Cardi dodd or we get a few essays that she turns in for english class because her english teacher is a major Character and then one time you got a note that this teacher miss galliano puts on top of her essay. Wins gets it back. That's like handwritten like in terms of how elizabeth vado rothe is. She wrote them as poems. But as you're experiencing then it feels like you're reading you'll matas journal so this journal is plays a very important role in sort of the story of the book. Her twin brother gives it to her and she uses it as a way to sort of work through all the questions and struggles in. It's a place where she feels really safe and she writes poems for a really long time and then it ended up being point of conflict with her mother and it gets burned and then she starts a new one and she has to she sort of goes through this process of memorizing all of these poems and then they sort of find their way out of her zoe she describes it and she starts doing slam poetry and so this book is kind of the way that she finds her voice literally and figuratively and So that sort of the ark of the book there's also her questioning around religion which will talk about. Because that's a pretty unique factor. I think in the way that she questions religion but doesn't completely distance herself from it and then there's also a through line of a love story that she has with a boy named amman And as she opens herself up to him she starts learning how to share her poetry that also causes a lot of conflict with her mother and causes a lot of catalysts and explosions and things and she's learning about herself. And yeah it's i would say it's a journey to openness in connection and realizing you're not alone and learning how to use your voice to stand up for yourself. Hi friends juliet here. If you want some amazing related content there are three ways that you can support us right now. The first is delete a five star review on apple podcasts. If you feel that we are worthy. I'm a five star review. The second is to buy coffee. It's just a one time donation the price of a cup of coffee. There's a widget on our website and also through our instagram link tree and the last one is to subscribe to pod hero. It's a platform where you just pay a single like monthly subscription fee. That's really cheap. And it gets split between all of your favorite podcast. You can support everyone. You love all at once. It's amazing and we use that as well. So yeah that's it. Thanks for all your support. Let's get back to folks. We mentioned already. This is a novel in verse. But it's not like out of canterbury tales or something richest one giant dog ethic poem. It's it's a collection of poems so each pager to basically is its own standalone poem But they all connected to one plotline And julius kind of collection of almost like primary source tax to that make sense a an amalgamation of all these documents whether it's poems or essays and makes me think to my own journals it kind of feels so private like reading some journal. We just kind of stick random things in there. Sometimes i wanna remember that as just like tape a no or whatever. I have literally copy down. Text message threads back in like high school or college or is like this is such okay literally even early this year but something that me that other governor so sweet i remember i remember it. I write it down in high school. A little more patty. It was used like. Oh my gosh. Such a frustrating. Day that i dislike the whole tax threat of like me and offender means on that i wasn't getting along with an yeah took me back to high school in many ways. One being copping down text messages hers much more the mind yes. She really captured the The emotion driven style of like teenage poetry. I feel like she got she really got that And it definitely felt like a teak. A teenager wrote these poems but it was like the best teenage poet ever like. It didn't feel like me writing bombs at fourteen. It was like this is someone who's been honing their crafts and leslie for a very long time. It is very good at this but the heart of it and the wish kind of changes her styles around and sometimes it's just text messages in. Sometimes she's writing high coups about like random things as she sees and sometimes it's like questioning the existence of everything and there's like rap lyrics just it feels very much lake teenagers writing and yeah i would agree that it. It definitely took me back to high school in terms of how you feel when you're journaling when you're a teenager and you're just like all. The time is very earnest like a good way. Like i didn't yeah sometimes meeting poetry. I love the complexity in the Fourteen times to understand it fully depth to it i do think this book has readability for sure And you get more out of it but it didn't feel like Someone who's finished their mfa in poetry and they are Merging their influences of whitman with contemporary poets and a sprinkling culture references. But not too many. Because you don't want your poetry to be too timely any now the but will the critics say like it doesn't feel like a gel in like not uses those core techniques you're taught at a high school level of a rhyme scheme the neater and How do you symbols and metaphors. She has like i. There's so much to quote directly. But i don't have it memorized. But she's got a great bit about metaphor. Add the bible and how she understands it and it just it to my sophomore bible as literature course said julia and i both had a ticket are christian high school. We went to the really opened up for me. Like the bible is is a book. Let's talk about how we read books. And how we read about the bible as a book and And we talked. We learned about things like that like single metaphor things we use in literature. Where do we see that in the bible unreal into see her. Write home about that in a much more. Eloquent way that i could have achieved Cool yeah was really cool like emotionally. It took me back to high school. And i think part of that is there. Something of bow the brevity of the poems where like each poem is just one moment or you know it could be a long moment. You know it could be like a whole afternoon but it. It's sort of one scene one feeling And within each poem. There's like usually one physical thing that's happening. There's like one thing you're looking at or there's one thing you're physically experiencing and then rest of it is all the thoughts that are swirling around her head as that moment is happening and so i fell this sort of really strong empathy and like immediacy. I felt like i was in that moment with her and the motions were really powerful and it was just this like snapshot brief. She you know. I feel like a lot of these scenes. If they were in a novel would have been two three four times longer and to describe every single step of what was happening But because we just got barebones physical space and physical action. She chose exactly what she wanted you to feel or see really really carefully and i feel like it really puts you in jail matas head and Like a very very strong Pov i think. And like i don't know. I think that was part of what drove me to keep reading. Was i felt so locked in to the strength of these feelings and like i it worked so well like i wanna read so many more books like ray. I'm sure it's a lot of work. Because like i thought poetry like you. If you read back over any one poem like you have to be so. I imagine writers who write poetry use tweezers to put the words in to their poems. I don't know why. But this is the image that i have have like. You have to be so careful that you pick them up with tweezers tongs or something and you like very delicately placed the word the one word exactly where it needs to go and it can't move around whereas like novelist or keyboard smashing kind of that's how emotionally it feels and then you sort of part down a little bit pair it down yet so i i think that also affected time was so interesting i could go on. Did you have anything to add. I'm just gonna keep going. Yeah i i think another element and retouched on that Sumarah could breaks in to the slam poetry scene and she learns about spoken word poetry Her teacher shows a video in class of as folk performing and to mars hooked at. It's interesting to me. It's a book about speaking and about poetry being said out loud. but it's all on the page. And there's so much. The amar's while osservato as zimmer is on the page with combs jessica struggles for a moment which is great. I'm soon out loud. The guy only ever met this for myself only ever meant this for the page And so i. I love the the marrying of the the seem in the plot of the bug with with the devices i mean. How else could you write a book in my mind. I'm like i guess there is no other way to write book about a like without writing poetry. Of course you would right. I i would love to listen to do one woman play and she can recite the whole thing. I wanna go. Listen to the audio book. Because they added she is the reader audio book. And i'm curious if the whole thing feels like a like one big long poetry performance or that feels a little more like relaxed like a buck like an audio book in my mind as again. I listen to this podcast before. I listen to like one audiobook every year and a half an listen to very money so my my idea what is out there. In the world is pretty limited But some of these poems are more had all her thoughts. What she's thinking. There's also these poems that really connect us into one scene at and kind of build character and depth of character throughout the story because we have the amara as a as the first person narrator basically. She's writing all these poems. Go get her perspective completely but we also get her perspective on her friends and her family around her. And i think also she learns a little bit and writing helps her process the people in her life around her is actually a whole poem in here about house. Amara and card. I'd like introduction to car. Dad hug different friends And that's kind of like an exposition on the two of them and reflection in kind of that scene setting that we get or World building against the beginning as she kind of introduces her friends and family Bullied don't get some scenes that are just some everyday life like it feels so teenage hang out days. It reminds me a lot of my own friendships. So maybe a little bit of the flavor sunday. October twenty eighth braiding. I spent the entire mass thing about him on. An i can tell mommy is going to lecture me for not paying any attention but thank goodness as we leading church car dead tugs on my hand sin battista is it okay if zia amar comes and braids my hair i can tell mommy wants to chew me out. But she could never say no to car dad at her house car. That sits between my legs. And i run the comb through her long thick hair. I learned to braid. When mommy didn't have any. I learned to break. Mommy didn't have time to do mine anymore. Two long braids. I can make you look like cardi b. for halloween. I love the reality tv star. But she's everything card. That isn't even after. I'm done breathing. We sit and watch two more episodes. Maybe the only thing that has to make sense about being somebody's friend is that you can. Maybe the only thing that has to make sense about being somebody's friend as you help them either bestself on any given day that you give them a home when they don't want to be in their own at least i have a feeling of asked that's exactly what card atwood say. Tomorrow is going to be a long day but here now it's okay. I love their franchise so cute in. It's so real and like dat is just a little bit of so much of this book is like. Here's a san and here's my two thoughts about it and you're like oh my gosh you're right. That is what friendship is Or here's here's a thought i had today. That's like super deep and then like also this happen and it's like breakfast. Yeah and i love that. Both of them are like equally valued in this to make the novel in verse. Work is that you have to have the emotional depth to make the verse like worth it to me. The verse means something. i think But you need those moments and scenes in stories to tie everything together into a novel. Yeah i'm so curious how she chose which scenes to depict right because it's not like she can just have several days or weeks told in summary. You know what i mean. As like filler in between scenes were as my teacher would say you have boots on the ground rate. It like every like every single poem you are. She has have to be fully in that moment. But it also has to tell you about who these people are. It has to tell you about their relationship. It has to be not very long and you know just key details and it has to do much work with so few words and i. I just wonder how she chose. Which like moments It feels more like a comparable to like photography so if a novel is like you know like actual film television. Where's a bunch of tiny pictures going very very quickly instead of digital images. If that's a novel a poem you can see that. Each one is a photograph but it has a similar storytelling effect. I don't know maybe that's all nonsense some of you. I'm sorry oh i just. I have a favorite poem and i don't know how it fits in but it's really really good rita rita rita. Okay i also. Because i wanted to talk about like how she uses the titles so i like she really makes a lot of use of the titles of her poems in terms of like they do a lot of work to tell you wear and when they are so the one that you just read it had a date stamp which feels very much like a journal but it also tells you how much time has passed and then the title tells you where and when we are and sort of where we are in the plot. If that makes sense as my one of my professors in college would say your titles. The first time you palm it. Better be good to stand separate like we were allowed to name anywhere poems. A line from the poem itself because she's like that's a waste of line in azevedo definitely holds to that too. Sometimes it's like. Yeah i thought that leads into it or like sometimes it's like a turning point like something's signing one was my favorite titles. There's one poem called shift in the next one is called fan and the anyway or is it shit comma fan. I oh no but it just like You know this is the scene where it all goes down with her mom so after a bunch of after a bunch of shit goes down with her mom and her mom punishes her by having her kneel on grains of rice In front of the virgin. Mary and she takes a moment. She has these collection of three poems in a row. That sort of pull her out of the pain that she's experiencing and she's sort of thinking back on prior moments so this is one of those and it's one of my absolute favorites in the whole book. It's called things you think while you're kneeling on rice. That have nothing to do with repentance. I once watched my father peel and orange without once. Removing the knife from the fruit he just turned and turned and turned like a globe being skinned the orange. Peel becoming a curl. The inside exposed and bleeding how easily he separated everything that protected the fruit and then pass the bowl to my mother dropping that skin to the floor while the inside burst between her teeth. Oh my god so visceral. And it's it's like this really knock memory but it's like one of those things when you're under a lot of stress and your brain pulls up something that seems unrelated but it's actually An example of the thing that you're experiencing so it's like the the sort of violent these quiet violence of her parents and all my gosh. I love that one anyway. And i think it a lot about her character building which we wanted to get into that. 'cause you don't get a lot of dialogue from her parents other narrators in general because it's all so much from her point of view so she paraphrase people a lot so that's how she sees her parents and it's really really well done comes to characters i really like. I also really appreciate twin. Is see amara calls her twin brother. His name is exhibitor and while this book is told from mars point of view. I feel like she's learning to listen more to be heard by her brother and in learning and i think in a way she's realizing that he's he's learning as well How to support each other as they kind of navigate. New part of life I i also find it really endearing. I feel similar in many ways. I don't have a twin brother. But i do have a brother who's close to my age in highschool our relationship shifted from like. I'm just as kid sister. We play games in like run around and like we whatever. We're friends like we. We know been up to each other and go through hard things together and Know exactly what. The other person experiences at home and with the family dynamic says so. I think that's one reason. I really liked him because it. I also have her brother. We're just such a lame way relate to something but i'm like it's true. I i have brothers. And one element of twins. Character that's A regulation in a way for the amara is not a twin is gay but then she also writes a poem about like i kind of our. I all ready knew that. Like i always knew that we didn't say anything. And she realizes how important is for her to say something instead of the continual family dynamic of just not saying anything And i think is really powerful for her to have that realization like she. Her biggest desire is to be heard and to be listened to and so she needs to hear and respond in receive. What her is communicating. 'cause by not saying anything he doesn't know what she thinks he doesn't know he's safe with her They've always been that safe person for each other So i love watching twin grow and he goes through heartbreak and in the end core twin his the boy he's like in love with and has a great relationship where gets along with his. You know boyfriend's family. I don't know if they're officials High school you into labels were they boyfriend boyfriend Who knows but he visited. He got to know his family and they got along really well and he felt like he had a family to live with in cody and his family move away because his new job. This a little glimmer of hope towards the end of your is one of the poetry boys Poetry boys yod yeah. Their relationship is so sweet and the poem where she shows up at his school Because he goes to this lake fancy private school Because he's really smart. I think it would be more like minded school. Didn't seem to me like it was private. Oh really oh okay. Maybe i because of the genius school yes. She calls it the genius school so i just assumed but magnet school makes she shows up at his school. 'cause he had a black eye and she was so used to being the one who defended him all the time and she shows up and sees him with his boyfriend his like his boyfriends taking care of him or the taking care of each other and she has this realization of like. He doesn't like i didn't expect that i would have to defend him his whole life. But i didn't think it would happen so soon and i didn't think i would be replaced like this. And she has this sort of like as their relationship is evolving. she's moving away from being his protector. Who like they don't really talk you know. And they're moving into that like friendship. Space like you said Where like he's really supportive of her Very openly in a way that you know. Their parents aren't really and she is very supportive of him. Very verbally as well So yeah. I really liked that growth of that relationship as well. Yeah and we'll be mom. I know like the way that she writes him. He just seems so why and sweet and like secretly loves ice skating. And i just imagined like just the joy on his face when he got to go ice skating with her. And he's like he's sort of panic in the wrong moments and is really quiet and just kind of sits and listens to her and their relationship feels very gentle and quiet and just kind of opening up space and he just seemed so sweet. And i i really loved him as a character for her. 'cause he's the first person who listens to her poetry And so along with falling in love and learning kind of. She's always been kind of uncomfortable in her body because she's been objectified but suddenly she wants things which is not what she wants. Or how and so. She's navigating that he just leaves her so much space. Like i just want to listen to you re poems and i wanna get to know you more. And that's a critical step for her. So i thought that was lovely. Vip of this book for me was isabelle such a small character but so well written and she's a fellow she comes in like act three like you barely hear. But she's a fellow slam poet and the poetry club in high school and she spends lunches writing in the photography lab and kind of gives sierra madre haven when everything's going terribly at home because her this like space they don't they just talk shop like they just talk about poetry but she kind of. She really respects her as a poet and gives your motto confidence and when she can tell your mattis had a really bad day she just like silently slides her a bag of doritos and then carries on writing and is just like i. Yeah she was great just a really really well. Written like secondary character. I thought was amazing. so we haven't really touched on yet is that see mara is bilingual. Her parents speak to her in spanish to speak spanish with them. She writes mostly in english though. Also spanish at Of implied that she speaks english at school and with her friends. And i really in my research for the author bio portion of this episode acetate How she wrote the book. She wanted that she didn't have when she was a teenager. And i think to the books were readily available. am speaking from who's going to predominantly white schools and But i did live in a city. That was Pretty biracial between mexican american lot. Next community In white people were a lot of like next sway novels on the shelves. Like i didn't stumble upon the minute. Let me tell you. I read every novel at the library like I love that this book is out there. S video rights. How i understand her. She writes cares anyway that her character who would speak in live if that makes sense Yeah and she writes for an audience. That would understand this. This isn't written for me. A white twenty five year old woman who has booked podcast has written for all the offer. Latina high schoolers there of endless wars And that's that's really great. I think like the one book that had legs in spanish in it is always translated in a glossary. So yeah. Because i i. I read the book i. I've done a few more. Years of spanish than victoria has an have a bit more experience in like written translation. And it's victoria's book. But i was like. I'm just gonna take a pencil and start translating this for her. Just in case it gets a little more complicated and today. She was like thank you for doing that a lot. More of young. My high school spanish did not take any day for though i did have to look up the word for staples but oh and i learned that a moth in spanish is called night butterfly which made so happy That's not the boy I what was my point. Oh i so normally. I feel like if you read any like sixteen to nineteen th century european literature that involves unlike that takes place in another location or has a person who knows multiple languages. Anything that's not in english is typically italicized. A lot of times there's a footnote translation or a glossary or like they explain it right away or whatever And it's like made very very it's a very it gives you strong colonizer vibes. You know like you just know it's like pointing out to the reader like this is a word that we don't understand and this is a word from another place and I feel like so few of the books that i was exposed to in a school setting and didn't have that going on If there were multiple languages involved at all and like even honestly. I don't know if it's a publication choice but Things fall apart was even that way Any of the. I forgot what language they speak anyway. whereas this book is very much bilingual. It doesn't she. She does a good job of like giving you context clues so for people who don't know a lot of spanish. You get the gist of what. The person is saying ential but she doesn't often give a direct translation immediately. After you know she like makes you use your brain of it because this book is not four. This book is four bilingual people and there is one place where she writes an entire poem in spanish. Because it's address to her mother and it's like all the things that i will never tell her and immediately on the next page. She writes the translation. But it's like a slightly different one. And i took all this time translating the spanish one and then i flipped it over and it was exactly in belts so stupid. I am not a bilingual person myself but it felt very natural. It felt very much like She speaks in this way with her mother and like some some of my bilingual friends where their parents speak one language to them and then they speak english back. And it's like they're both understanding in they're both communicating or it's like some sort of mixture of the two. It just felt very natural. The way that i'll say they can. The language of everyday life in such a rich poetic way is like what makes his book award winning awesome. Everyone wants to read it like that or we read out you know. Yeah for sure Yeah do you really wanted to talk about religion and I think we should get into it so in the novel. We've touched on a little bit similar questioning doubting The catholic faith that she grew up with and she has conversations the priests on. There's a lot of discussion about how she engages or doesn't engage with communion. Whether or not she's going to confirmation clause So if you're familiar with catholicism there's a lot a lot of catholic references in there you get the the hail. Marys in spanish multiple times from her mother But what i find fascinating about religion in this specific book is that it's a novel and a lot of why novels don't really touch on religion Unless it's like written for specific religious audience And i from what i am. Exposed to the y. a world. I'm sure there's other not lose so many books out there. I'm probably missing some but From what. I read from acid as publishers speaking about religion for why novels. It's not really something that people are writing about in this way that is part of the narrative arc of the protagonist struggling wrestling with their religion and Jill nado talking before the podcast. We did into religion quite a bit with The golden compass or historical series. But from a very Anti religious atheist perspective And i think it is different in a nuanced way even though all the characters in his arc materials may not be like adamantly atheist they are evolving in their own ideas of religion Oscillator author is like. I still kind of catholic like is myself question and therefore my character is also struggling question and to have that assessable to a high school audience. I think is really important as important as to read books about people who are similar to you if you are from a traditional under represented background or for people julian i like. It's really important to read books. That aren't like us about other people. I think is also really important for people of all faith identities to have books that Resonate with them and also challenge them And i think for so many high schoolers young adults out there who grew up with religion in the way that the america's Having a book like this available whether or not they agree with the mars questions or more. They relate to car dodd or twin their expressions of fake. To have that as this is okay. We can sit here in question we can. We can have conversations and to see. I love this mars character wall. She's struggling with her faith in what she believes. She's not sure she also like she has a community and she knows when she can tap into that community when scott yano reaches out to her and kind empower said like okay. You're gonna go home. Unit talk with your family Sumare goes enlisted backup in Title gabon is divine intervention. Which i love. She stops somewhere on the way home to get some backup or someone else to join the conversation Father sean joins them. That's my little two cents on religion. I i love books about religion. I talk about the way too. Much on this podcast. Probably and yeah so oyi novel that's a also about religion in a way that's new us. So the rue des nuanced. I think is really yeah. Yeah it's not talking down to teenagers telling them either. This is absolutely true. You have to believe as or none of it is true. Don't listen to them. They're trying to trick you. Blahdy blah rate the lake. I feel like typically with Any any kind of fiction. That mentioned religion is very entrenched in either of those camps. I think the the foils in a fantasy world would be Narnia versus his dark materials. Right like both very firm stances where they land on religion whereas this one you. I think it acknowledges how personal Religion isn't how twisted and Interwoven it is into someone's identity you know so she goes into her mother's history with catholicism. And how the faith is her. Faith is something that she really clings to During you know a lot of freely difficult challenges in our life whereas for samara She's a writer and she views the world through simile and metaphor and her. She doesn't like the sort of boxes and rituals so much like she Maybe doesn't see things literally rate but it's it's a personal experience and there's really incredible poem Where like her mother finds her book of poems. Checks only leaves them out on the table at our mother finds at and she starts reading them and she gets furious because she thinks that the her poetry is causing her to sin and she threatens to burn it and it sort of slightly catches fire and drops on the ground. And they're both like in full panic mode and they both resort to reciting verse and sumatra starts reciting her own poetry because she's watching her poetry get burned and so the only thing she can think of to try and keep it alive is to start saying it out loud and her mother starts reciting the bible in spanish and the way that it looks on the pages so cool you have a stanza on the left in the stands on the right as they sort of talked to each other. I think it's just called versus. I could be wrong. But it's just it's a really really powerful moment where you see that. The they've found in this. Really kind of apocalyptic moment in their relationship actually have a lot of similarity in the way that they process the world and so that moment when she decides to bring in their priest father. Sean I think is a big moment in motto recognizing like this religion is very very crucial for my mother as a person and if i want to have a relationship with her that needs to be involved rather than completely getting rid of it she sort of working with it I guess the last thing. I'll say is that i really really loved the ark of the book. I'm from her thinking she has to do everything on her own and that she's completely alone and no one can be there for her to by the end of the book she has this whole like army of people on her sign rooting for her and as she slowly opens herself up. There's a lot of pain that happens. But she's also. Her mother knows her better and her twin brother knows her better and she opens herself up to poetry club and shares her really vulnerable words but then gains three student allies and as well as very strong ally shot to miss gagliano. She is the vip. This book She really is an amazing teacher. Suffer people who enjoyed this book. What would you recommend next simply because Well the first thing. I thought of was The brief wonders life of oscar wilde by june ideas. He's also add dominican american and also plays around with the format of things. There's a lot of footnotes and different voices and not as much spanish but a little bit and then also i think in terms of why novels that are just really impactful. I would say i am the messenger by mark zoo. You all know one of my favorite books. And i will continue to recommend it. Yeah how about you yeah My recommendation is another novel in verse called heartbeat by sharon. Creech doesn't forshing creatures one of my favorite authors. When i was growing up that i kind of forgot about until recently i was like oh yeah everybody loved it all her books like a looked up. Listen i'm like yeah. I read all of these and i remember when i found harvey at the bookstore Gerring i own a lot of books or like bildt of new books as you take a lot of us. Folks got books as gifts Lived for the library so the fact that i bought the book was like real exciting Literally finish it in a day because it's written in varies. It's so fast. It's probably half the pages of number of pages as the poet and I remember afterwards being like that was so good also wait. Can i return and get another book. I spend my money on a and already done so. I remember really enjoying that kind of devoured it and my recommendation is to myself When the people that when the paperback version of copy land comes out. I'll be reading off by elizabeth. Or i might. Yes splurged the hardcover. Want if i can't wait but mostly moving away from the products now. What are the things alive for. Bringing your joy that you currently obsessed with. Yeah there is known. As julius interest. Our jill jill has special interest. Our is getting a few minutes talking story. We're not gonna be here for an hour. You two games nervous. Yes we do. But i also this is how i show you that i care about you dear listeners so i recently started at the recommendation of Boyfriend veron. I recently started attack on titan the anime series. It's like dystopia. There's monster is i'm halfway through. The one at the crazy things are happening. I am so on board Also one of my favorite tv shows of all time it set in space. It's called the expanse and season five. Just dropped. who knows when you're hearing this but it's out And yet those are. I'm very excited with those. I have two things. One is the fact that our household was able to produce not one not two but three happy birthday signs. I'm obsessed with the fact that we have so many birthday decorations and literally. Rims birthday was yesterday and Or at the time of recording it was yesterday and He was on the phone with his grandma and Natasha and Giulinai interspersed and someone a little bubble group that we hang out to the pandemic israel together. I'm like okay cake for ruins when he gets off the phone. I'm going to have a candle. Natasha comes down with like two bags. And she's like. I've got streamers. I bought hats. I full party ready to go in like five minutes. And i feel like that's every birthday party should be you should be set up Yes yes we also fun spontaneous. They also gave him a gift. That was a game which we then immediately played. It was like the dodgers provided a birthday in a box. What i guess it was great. So i guess i'm recommending. You find his good at five minute birthday parties setting up a brick department five minutes. I'm also a try to stay away from recommending things in the currently obsessed section that we're gonna do on the podcast eventually but i can't hold back. We washed week and julia. Tv shows quickly shoes literally like gearing up to slog through two months show together because that's about the speed. I watch tv We washed it a week. I had somebody motions I angry journal about it. A few episodes end because god feeling so many feelings and like needed to release them in a healthy manner. Yeah if you haven't watched it on. Hbo of it came out last year. So i'm actually not as behind usually the as negative haven't seen it yet. So the watch it and Spoiler alert were doing on the podcast. So that episode coming out sometime in the future who knows what but yes it was. It was one of the great pleasures of my life. I had already seen the show. And so i knew it was coming. And just like watching victoria. Experience watchmen incredible and the joy that i felt when she wanted to watch another episode. Oh my gosh unmatched. She was like. I'm ready to watch more today. And she was like so excited about it in a way that is so rare for her. And i it was. It was amazing. I also. I think i agree. It's i think it's one of the best tv shows ever made question mark i. It's so good so yeah we will be talking about that trust and believe thank you so much for listening. If you'd like to check out any of the recommendations we gave as well as links to other things you mentioned through the episode. You can find us with jd dot com other. Show notes there. You can also follow along to see what we're reading next and Hitched some cool. Means that julia leaves in our stories on instagram at the club with. Jv a big. Thank you said greg. Berg are sound engineer making a sound good and creating all of our original music another big thing with evelyn for design. Thank you so much listening. 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Sylvia Acevedo on Building Girls of Courage, Confidence, and Character

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Sylvia Acevedo on Building Girls of Courage, Confidence, and Character

"The right way, whoever you are aware of you are in whenever it is. You are catching some brainwaves come to you from the banks of the melting and deliquency ain't rain river in almost always sunny Longmont, Colorado. I'm Becky Peters. At across the table is the only co host who prefaces his best points by saying scouts on her. He's been called fed. What's good? It is all good. Becky, I feel crazy lucky to be bringing giants and education to the ear buds of busy teachers. So we can all stand on their shoulders and be more informed. Inspired and connected educators and Scouse honor. There it is you are in for treat with this episode. We're deviating a little bit from our normal K twelve space and looking at a giant nonetheless, a colossal CEO of one of the most famous long running education organizations in the world the girl scouts of America today on the episode. We have the great privilege of speaking, Sylvia osservato. Yeah. And we've been sitting on this interview for a little while just waiting for that perfect time when we all. Need a little bit of inspiration and seriously Silvia's story and the way she talks about it will make you feel like you wanna run through walls and makes us tuned after the episode because we will give some out of our heads and into the classroom tips about some of the things that we talk about. But in this episode, we will speak to Sylvia about some lessons. Teachers can learn from her story we discuss if boys and girls learn differently, and we discuss lessons that schools and teachers can learn from the girl scouts Orgainzation. So without further ado here, she is you are an author and entrepreneur and engineer and a rocket scientist. Those are the descript the amazing descriptors on your website. Did you always know that you would someday embody those roles or how did your sense of self like your sense of identity change over time? So absolutely not. I never thought of all those things when I was growing up. I had no idea that many of those roles even existed. So I'm very grateful that that's where my journey has gone. I was very fortunate that there were several key influences on my life headstart. Obviously the girl scouts also the public library at when I grew up. We didn't have Google going to the library was really what showed you kind of the world of opportunities in having that lifelong interest in learning having great teachers all those things gave me that skill set. And that foundation of curiosity of being able to read well, also Newt enjoying math in an having hands on experience. Girl. Scouts you know, that hands on experience girl scouts earning. My badge really taught me that I could do science at a young age and that I had the aptitude for it. So then I began doing it in the more. You do something the better you are at it. And that's what happened to me with math. You know? I learned I could do it. And I could do it. Well, and I challenged myself, and I did even more in the more. You do something the better you get at it in the becomes his self reinforcing cycle. And I got so good at math became a rocket. Scientists good at math. That's amazing. The pictures of you that you put yourself in the buck when? You were like in third grade. And second grade the cutest things I've ever seen in my life. I would highly recommend any listeners to pick up that book. It's called a pass to the stars in end in it, Sylvia. I really outlines her life in how of those programs had in effect on her m curious to use Sylvia woods did. It mean to you to publish a book about your life. Why was it important to you to tell the stories were brought audience? There's a couple of things that happened at the same time. I was talking to kids have been interested in education after I had a great technology career in had a successful exit is not newer. I started giving back in working in the community. And I would go and talk at schools, and I was talking in one school in particular, very large school after my talk. I went outside in the courtyard, and there was a huge line. And I thought it was for lunch anisinov, I guess that's the life election. They said, no that's the line of kids at wanna talk to you thinking thinking, you know, they all wanted to ask me questions. You know, somebody that looked like them, they even. Some of the kids would ask me, what brand clothing war, all these kinds of things I room is that there was a hunger for somebody who looked like me that reflected them or that reflected there as a girl their ambitions or even as their ambitions, Mr. interest in space and aren't as many stories like that. And I remember thinking as an engineer. I'm always thinking, how do you scale? Right. And so how do I scale? And I thought I've gotta write a book. And so at that moment, I decided to write a book, and I post it as an engineer in his of writer, and I think we'll kind of funny because I put together a PowerPoint presentation that had the growth of kids in need for stem, the importance of a mentor, or if you can see you can be it. And then I outlined what the chapters might be put this proposal together. And then I went to an event in New York, flew myself there where we're going to be a lot of publishing agents paid my missions went there, and I showed him the PowerPoint. With the couple of videos, but also pictures, and they said, okay. This is compelling. What have you written? And it will. Here's a chapter outlines. Okay. You know, book writer have you written yet? I said, oh, no. I'll get. Okay. Okay. Do that. So they're like, we're interested. But you gotta give something to read. So I wrote a first few chapters I decided to middle school, and the reason I chose middle school was that's the last age. I feel like you know that proverbial elevator. You put your hand in your elevator to get the doors to stop like, wait. I feel like my book is the proverbial hand in the elevator. Trying to get that elevator door to stay open. So he can go in because of middle school. If you take some math signs a little bit of programing, you still have a chance in this digital age. Everything is going to be redesigned around technology. Just the fashion institute of technology in New York three trillion dollar industry being redone from supply chain to design etc around technology. So they're still going to be important needs for people in the way, we communicate. But so many of our tools are gonna have that digital interface. I don't run all these kids to not be part of that or be left out because they don't. Have a little bit of math or little bit of programming inside wanted to inspire them in. So my book is that pervert meal, you know, hand in the elevate wait kids middle school. You can still do it. You could still pursue your heart stream. So that's kinda why I chose that. And then I hired somebody to help me. Write it more in a middle school voice. You know, I hadn't known how to write. I could tell my story. But I didn't know how to do it no way that was more effective for middle school. And I can tell you short. Everyone of her comments would be more emotion. More angst. More shirtless vampires. Nice. And so that's why I decided on a y the book in y middle school. That's great. And I thought some of your stories in there just can give you some chills and goosebumps singing about can you talk about some early girl scout experiences in how really those are what helped you or launched you on the path to becoming rocket scientist. Absolutely. It's interesting because I didn't realize that until somebody who was doing archives project at Stanford University called me and said they wanted to interview me because I was one of the first Hispanic male or female to ever gotten a graduate engineering degree from Stanford and still is the case and you got to Samford university when the best universities in the world. And really they are at Silicon Valley. So getting a master's degree in engineering from Stanford is really kind of a gateway into Silicon Valley. And so it's very inaudibly prestigious. It's also very hard and the best in the brightest from the entire world one go there. So they're saying so how is it that you were one of the first and still? Fortunately, one of the few and at the time, you were applying Sanford really wasn't recruiting where you live like in southern New Mexico. So how did, you know about Stanford MP you not only were interested, but you were prepared and see you did really well, and I really never thought about that. And so they kept interviewing me and they kept saying, but why why was it that you're interested in science? Why where is it that you're interested in math? Why did you choose those electives? And I realize it all went back to when I was in girl. Scouts. We were out at at my first taste Morris cookies around opened fire. It was fantastic. And then I was looking at the stars. Am I troop leader sat next to me in showed me constellations? Now, I looked at stars a lot. But I kinda thought they were just twinkly lights. Right. Who as she Tommy? There was a pattern as big Dipper the little Dipper. Wow. This like a whole system out there. It's not twinkly lights, and she remembered that so that later on we are earning our badges and a lot of girls, including me one. To earn a cooking badge like my friends, but she suggested recommended that earned my science, and I said, no. But that she kept pushing it. So I said, okay, I'll do both. And I'm so grateful that that happened because when cooking I failed my first few attempts. And so you learn you have to read the directions carefully. Gotta get the sequence right to get the heat. Right. You know to even successfully make something edible. But also when I decided to part of my science badge was to make in essays rocket from a kit. And again, you had to get the directions carefully. You had to get the sequence. Right. And you also had to get the heat. Right. And I realized that science was just like cooking girls were expected to cook. But, you know, not expected to do science than I thought I could do boat and at that point at that young age elementary school. I got that confidence. It said I could do that. And so that's why I began taking all the science amount electives, even though. At that time that really wasn't something that was very common in not only did I take them. I liked it in. I was that kid who when the teacher assigned all the odd problems are all the even I did him. All right. I was that kid until I got really good at it. And so it became an engineer when might guns counselor told me, I couldn't do it. I remember thinking, you know, cooking just like science, I can do that. So that's what I got that love. But the other very important part was the resilience and the determination and even thinking that I could do that you mentioned cookies earlier, and I gotta tell you. I'm thanking the girl scout cookie program because I thought it was going to have to quit girl scouts 'cause my family. We lived in near poverty paycheck to paycheck and sometimes ran out of money between the paychecks. I thought you know, what we're gonna do a lot of fun things in girl scouts in my family can't afford it. And at that point I stayed after in I talked to the troop leader in sitting on my family can afford. It and she said, don't worry, Sylvia. Girl scout cookies, but what she taught me as we're going to create opportunity. What is your goal? What is it that you wanna do? And then you set some goals and put your path chart your path to your goal. Now. That's out simple. But I gotta tell you. If you're raised in near poverty, there is no one around you that knows how to create opportunity because they didn't you wouldn't be in the poverty. And so that idea that you could create your future, you could define what your future, and you could create that pack, and then create though subgoals to get that really changed everything for me. Suddenly, I realize my dreams could come true. I could set them as goals and then set the path. But then I would tell you the other things she taught me and our troop that this lesson has stayed to this day is never walkaway from sale until you've heard no re-timing, and that I have used repeatedly in my career, and as a young girl, you I sell to your family people at church, but then I was still. Shy of making my goal. So hit a talked to that Mabere who I'd only seen her go in and out of her car that never talked to her. I went to ask her if she would girl scout cookies, and she said, no. And I remember standing there looking at her without bubble over my head to bleed or MRs provine said I can't walk away from his sale enjoy times. And the woman looked at me. Like, I said now. And I said is there anybody else at your house? It would wanna buy go Scott cookies, and she said, no again, and again, I just stood there. And she looked at me like no again. And then I sit with their anybody's day, you would make if you bought girl scout cookies and she bought a box. Now that taught me so much that taught me persistence resilience, right? How do you get to the? Yes. And I'll tell you my career has been a lot about that about being persistent about being resilient. How do you get to the? Yes. So I'm grateful. I had that girl scout experience because it really gave me those times tools to be successful. But to be honest, it's not just me half of all female elected officials in America would girl scouts this last class that was elected to the house of Representative like sixty percent of maternal scouts in almost every astronaut was a girl scout. So it wasn't dismayed made that girl cutting experience it, you know, help to be persistent resilient courageous brave to be able to make your goals there. So many lessons in every single one your stories, and they really I feel like I could run through a wall just hearing your stories because they're so inspiring girl scouts are pretty known for their badges in in the patches. And I found it really interesting that you have a C E O patch. And there's a couple cool symbols on there. Could you tell us what the symbols are on your CEO patch in what lessons are stories that relate back to? I'm grateful the asked that the only way you get that is by meaning me, and with my patch in I Quaid it to like video game with three layers the first one is there's a planet on my patch. And it is one of the missions that I worked on which is wage or to it did apply this planet. So when you see my patch? I asked girls what planet is it. It's dupage are in you know, that because of the big red dot so girls don't know that I get to help teach them that you know, when you look at a planet. You see a big red dot that's the red storm. I worked on the boy to and analyze a lot of data coming. Back of that fly by of the moons Iowan Europa. So, you know, that's that symbol in and their stars in the stars represent my troop leaders in my mom now, the second element of my patch is when I call word problem in, you know, a lot of people in MAC, oh, don't like word problems. But it is every atom has a nucleus in. What is my nucleus? And when you look at my patch. There is the symbol of the atom. And there was somebody something in the middle the nucleus. And that is the girl scout travel, so go scouts is might nucleus. So you have to learn a lot from that. You have to know what an at the symbol of anatomies. You are nucleus in in that nucleus rocket ship, which is can harbinger back to might however in my science badge making a rocket SD's rocket in that rocket on. My badge says CEO, and if you go to my Lincoln profile, there's video about this. And then last, but not least is are my three favorite mass symbols. And I do have favorite Matt simple. So I. Sigma which looks like an e or a backwards three in that's the Greek symbol in. It means summation to add in when I discovered how to create opportunity, and how could I track my progress to that opportunity was by adding adding my cookie sales adding my cookie revenue so I loved to add so summation the next one is is and that's because when I was earning a cramps badge. I was making something it was actually a gym bag with round ends in the wasn't a pattern in my mother said how do you know, how much material are you gonna measure it, especially with the round ends in? Oh, don't worry. Mom, I measured the circumference. It's too pie on and she slight gradulate Neth me her because she had no idea what I've talking about. Then the final wells in final simple Infinity, and it's like girl scouts gave me infinite potential. So it's a fun patch. And I have both stickers patches for for when people want it. And it's kind of fun. You know, it's it's a very unique business card. I actually I'm very proud to own one of those men. I'd love it. I show it to my daughter all the time. And I really am so excited about getting her in day girl scouts when it's time. But just to kind of illustrate again for our listeners some of the barriers that you had coming up against us not to belabor the points. But just so that people have kind of a broader understanding of of your past in how that contributed if you are today, you did mention that your guidance counselor said that you couldn't be in junior. And I remember reading in your book about one of the I think it was a dean at the New Mexico state university said, but your girl are you? Sure, you want to be an engineer in. They didn't even believe that you felt out the application. How how do you get past that over and over and over in? How can we instill that kind of persist? Since in the students that reach your that person to that resilience. I think that, you know, not taking no for an answer three times. Really matters figuring out. What is the issue? So in my book until that story of how I play drums in the I was the first chair if I chair normally got to choose their marching band instrument off vantage just purchase Tim volleys that were pretty heavy back in the day. And I said I wanted to put Bali's in my band director said, no. And I kept going. Why know why no in you can't take his it's girl? Why any said there too heavy? I don't think you can carry them. You know, it's gonna be in parade. You're gonna be walking miles with them. And I thought okay now, that's that's what I have to solve for up to solve for that. In all end in the book, a ride about what I did to work out in in in get ready, and I did and I was able to to carry the instruments, but you know, later on in my careers when I wanted to do global. Leadership in bilingual bicultural. And I was told I couldn't go I can travel overseas people when respect me whatever or it was unsafe. You know on my own paid for my ticket traveled to this country's came back with proof that was there. I met with customers and everything went well. And so it's like what is the real challenge? What is the real thing that you have to overcome in? Once you understand that then you can solve for that. And and not just let somebody just put you off by saying, no. But what is the reason behind that now? And when she once you do that, and you can even solve that. You know, the the other issue that you brought up is when I hit applied in again going back in my time. They didn't even think girls are gonna go after engineering scholarship. So when you feel that this form, they didn't even know my gender. And when it turns out, I want it. They wanted to personally interview me because they just didn't. I had answered the questions. I'm so they made me answer a lot of questions. But you know, I just took that as this is what I need to do to get this. And I knew it 'cause I answer the questions I claimed I knew how to change the oil, and they asked me to step through it in when I step through every step of changing oil in a car. They said, well, you just watched your dad it may be lack my dad's never change the oil car yet. You just have to be that persistence in that resilience that I learned you know, it really does pay off. I think that those are stories are so amazing. And like I said I plan on reading your straits might my son who's five my daughter who's three just over and over because I think those lessons that you don't take other people's assumptions as ceilings on your life are just like Ben Zada could run through a while. They're so inspiring. I'm curious you mentioned bilingualism, and I'm curious for you. What what is it men's in your life for you to be bilingual? I think it must be such an asset. Like, I've always wanted to nor the language not enough to take classes actually, follow up. On it. But it's probably not always been sunshine Rose's, either who was fantastic now that I know little bit were about brain science is that you know, if you're by lingual, develops your brain in a way that you can create a lot of synapses in linkages. And I think that's probably one of the reasons I've been able to come up with innovative ideas in connect the dots. Because when you're young you're having to realize, no, that's an English nets in Spanish, you just know that you're able to make those switches, then you're able to say, oh, I need to connect this, you know, in this language or make that connection in that language. So think it really developed my brain in a lot of ways. And I think that was really great. And then I use that as opportunity when I wanted was working technology and moved over to work in global and to say, look, you know, I'm bilingual by cultures opportunity. But you know, I also do bring up in the book when I was enrolled in I in head start in growing up. My name with Sylvia Elliot on Somme along head off. For names in Kazan is in our culture. That's how your name you include your mother's surname as well. But when I got to school the form only had two names, and they told me when I said, what's your name? I said Elliott among she said choose to nose like, so my mom said say Sylviane survey though, and I went home, and I asked my dad, he said, that's just how things are. So you know, I felt kind of bad leaving my mom out. But you so you realize that's a little different. But I'm glad I put those sections in the book because in Saint Louis in a librarian said she was reading the book to her class. And there was a boy she had never reached at all in class in. He always seemed checked out. And when she was reading the part about how I translated for my family and others, and he suddenly came to life, and he goes, oh, that's what I have to do. It's so exhausting. Bee's that boy speaks like, oh my God. He's alive he care. And she said I just never thought about it in now she had a connection with them. And she thanked me for having that in the book because they were able to use the book in a way to connect with him that she had never been able to bridge that gap before that's amazing sink about the importance of people's names in people's culture. Like that in how that brings asset to they're doing in the classroom, which really I think it's great that you share that story in that. It's reaching so many people ended so important because if you think about today in with global technology English has become a standard language English used to be elite language being an American use book, the most elite language in the world. But now English is defacto language of business. So you have a hundred million people in China speaking, very fluent English one hundred number than that what more almost a billion people in India. Speaking fluent English. Right. So suddenly the world is a lot flatter. And so you used to be able to be competitive because you geographic proximity here in the US in. You also spoke the elite language will. It's no longer a leak and now geographic proximity depending on your job may not be a big issue. You can do you know at a distance. So but service in sales is always done in the local language. And so if we only speak English when we try to sell overseas, we're going to miss service in sales opportunities because we don't speak the local language, but yet everyone in the world is learning English. So they can take away our jobs in service in sales. So it also becomes a competitive opportunity for careers to know another language for Americans. So we covered in kinda as Becky in. Our brainstorm in this episode. We loved all your stories, but then we loved all the lessons. We think we can learn as a public education institute. Titian from girl scouts in how they've modernized. And so can you talk to us a little bit about what you think public. Ed can learn from girl scouts a institution. That's well over one hundred years old, and how is girl scouts no longer your mother's or grandmother's girl scouts when it's a great question. And there are some things that are still the same. And then there's some things that are different the things that are still the same is we've been learning organization from the very beginning our founder over one hundred years ago, we were founded when we're moving from the agrarian age to the industrial age and one of the reasons she really wanted to do badges in the way that she did. It was a lot of girls did not have the ability to show their certification that they knew something because in that day is many opportunities for girls. So how do you show girls that you have you show others that you know, about electricity? You know, a pilot's badge construction a carpentry badge. Outdoor badge all of those things. Those were some of our first badges, which were very science technology engineering math. But those badge showed others, I know how to do this. So we were learning organization from the very beginning it that was really important. So now a hundred years later, we're still learning organization, but now removing from the industrial age to the digital age. So our badges are reflective of the type of things that are important to know now. So obviously a lot still with the great outdoors, and I like to tell people the first essence stem is science sciences, the great outdoors, and we make sure that a vast majority of our badges journey works are unplugged. So that's really important 'cause yes, you need to know about digital. But you also need to be able to think in wonder with the whole world not being limited by screen. So science learning like skills that nasty that persistence resilience. That's very entrepreneurial. So our cookie program. But also what we're doing with stem. When you look at what's happening in education. Our educational model has stayed the same. We look at girl potential, and then we say how can we teach that girl a skill those badges were talking about, but then what makes girl scouts different than almost every other youth serving nonprofit is we ask her to take action. She has to do something, and we asked her to take community service along if you take action on something do to help others, and then the fourth element of our our model is that carrying adult that mentor that troop leader who looked to develop at tiles potential. So when you thinking about education, it, you know, now when you can kind of invert the classroom have kids learn the material, but then come in discuss it in the classroom that teacher becomes more that mentor developing their potential, but I think the other thing that girl scouts his been really successful in when you're asking somebody to do something. To make an impact that also kind of grounds in all sorts of the experiential learning, and we make a big deal of how to include all the five senses in in in our work. I'm real excited about we'd have different service, noon ING awards, which are are bronze silver, and we ask girls to go in take action in their community to make it a better place. So, you know, it could be, you know, apart bench or could be working or doing something for the homeless excetera, but we also have a premier award. And there's a lot of organizations that have great service community service leadership award in that's fantastic. But it goes counts. We also have our gold award, which is a sustainable solution for societal grand challenge. And I have to say I'm impressed with some of the girls that do this project every year about at least three girls that are still in highschool change state laws mates amazing because change child marriage in New Hampshire. Stop secondhand smoke into states increase another straw, Starbucks. Yes. That was a goal to project -absolutely she still in high school and colleges today when back to education colleges today are looking in employers are looking for those people who can't take on grand challenge in and make a difference. So I had a a college admissions officer who I can't name what university is it's it's a top university. And he said when we see a gold award of girls it when we see it gold award on a girls resume we are medically put it in the final package because we know she's taken on societal grandchild. Like you said like come on. There's a girl. In high school who got Alaska Airlines. Starbucks California to do no straw November. And she's still in high school insect pretty the one when I got you brought that EKO glue. Can you tell us about that y'all? All yeah. And you know, that was a middle school girl assess I know so we have a big thing about what our mission is to create girls of courage confidence encounter who make the world better place. So that's what we teach from when they're on up. So these girls are middle school in there on a robotics team inside note, almost every I think every all girl winning robotics team has been ago. Scott T troop when we get robotics badges now from age five on up, but they're visiting scrolls visiting her grandmother in a nursing home. And she sees all these star foam cups that she said this is bad for the environment. Being good girl scout she goes and talks to the manager and says, you know, you shouldn't have these star Ben he looks at her goes, they're cheap. You know? So get over it. So, you know, I think part of the story is she was in Saint Louis. But she got a robotics team together. And they began figuring out. What can you do with styrofoam? Where can you do with you styrofoam and they created solvent, which I think is a very industrial application in there in Saint Louis. I think they were if they were in Los Angeles created I dunno surfer borders thing so forth, but you know, instant Lewis you create a solvent. And they created glue that you can use for paper out of the star home and have a patent pending on it. I love that. Because they want. They knew I have the skills. Now, what can I do to make the world better place? And I I love this kinds of examples. The great thing about my job is naked probably regale you with that for hours with all the great things that girls do because it got that Kurds the confidence the skill sets. And also because we focus on civics allot. That's one of the reasons why we are eight percent of the population. More than half of automobile elected officials in America regret scouts is. Because when you're young and you realize I can make a difference in civics people pay attention. So I just recently a brownie saw her park was really not kept up and she wrote a letter to their mayor saying my troop wants to be part of the solution. Let's fix this park. So what mayor's gonna say sorry, I'm not gonna take you up on it. And so they fixed the park so the seven year old girl realizes, I'm doing something that helps my community and the mayor's paying attention in made the mayor, and you know, what I could be him some day. So I think that you know, that's why we over index so much in women leaders and in women civic leaders as well. So I wanna ask a foul that I think what when you speak about it. And when I've had other conversations with people about had engaged girls in stem fields and things like this. I think the coupling of stem and civics is a really powerful strategy and one that girl scouts his done. Really? Well, do you think that that's a way to get more underrepresented participants in more involved in some fields? Also as kind of a corollary to that. I'm curious about what stem means to you. I everybody's got a different definition. Even though it's four letters. And everybody knows what those letters stand for. But would stem mean in what is it look like to you know, to the first one in terms of getting girls interested, especially girls underrepresented. So giving example where working with one partner, and their, you know, their mission in life. Their reason is there they provide solutions to keep America safe from those who do as harm in the air the land of the sea. They notice there's a huge workforce gap, especially or cute Lii in maritime solutions is just not a lot of girls that are really looking at feels that are in that category. And they said, you know, one of the ways you get girls or anyone interested is understanding buoyancy in understanding center. Gravity. So if you get those that's the way to start and they said, here's how you do. It you teach you get girls to build a boat in any get girls to race the boat. And that's how the learn and we said, you know, girls scouts were experts in how girls learn and lead. And so we get your trying to buoyancy and centre of gravity. So we'll get growth, but we're gonna do minimum wage it's of interest girls. So our middle school journey is girls build a model of corgi dog. And according to dog is like the queen's staunch short legs low center, gravity you create that model dog, and it has to float upright acacia mmediately, and you have to name it. And so that middle school girl, they create this dog, and she has to float upright because if it doesn't float out right drowns, and then it has very short legs in it's not really known as strong swimmer Shaka create of a flotation device. So I will tell you a lot of. Girls in middle school are not interested in building a boat in racing about. But I will tell you girls are very interested in making sure they're corgi does not drown. You know, the Corey that they've named and so they learn those concepts, but it weighs it is relevant to them. And I'm really excited that we are doing a lot around stem. But looking at it from the lens of how do you make the world of replace? We know that girls ranking is not as importing as important as linking, you know, that community the friendships the friendship network the friendship circle that really matters to two girls in how they learn and we really build our solution. So that they that's how they learn. I'll give you another quick one. Which is how do you teach networking and a lot of times? People wanna talk about protocol layers. The first layer in networking is physical air. What how we did it to teach brownies? As we get girls to sit in a circle and talk, and they love to do that. And then we'd get up all of yarn, and they pass the yarn amongst themselves as they're talking and after a short amount of time, they see that. The physical yarn has gone in connected. All of them, even though they may not have spoken to each other. But it's connected all of them, and we show them. That's a physical network like L A got that. And that is really the is the basis for not just learning about communications in communications technology, but also science in neurons in that type of at work. So we are those experts in how girls learn lead. And we make sure our programming has that. Now, it wise it matter to me right now the world is being recreated around technology. And I want girls not just to be users. But the creators in the inventors in the designers, so that it does reflect us does reflect our needs our concerns in the way we link in connec. To win another. And I think the are needed in marketing we are needed in design. We are needing entrepreneurs as coders as the lawyers as we're defining the rules of technology and digital and privacy. All those issues we need to have a woman's perspective in a girl's perspective of because it's his we're half the population and use reference to a number of times on your website. I think it says you've been that girl scouts are experts in how girls learn is that are those approaches super different than how boys learn or how do you kind of have that discussion rowan's gender inclusion in things like that since you guys are girl scouts will soon. It's really important. We really just focused on Earl, and that's because we know that girls doing non traditional things, we'll do it in a girl only space, and that's why we over index with Pino having female, doctors female, astronauts, all those kinds of things because you learn the skills in that girl only space if you're learning in the. Code space in school. We wouldn't have the workforce gap we have. But we know that in girl scouts we really over index in leadership in technology in a variety of other industries. And that's because you've gotten the courage the confidence you're able to try and do it in a girl only environment, you felt more safe or competent until you got the skill at that level. And once you have that confidence, you know, you go out into the coed world in our girl scouts rule in dominate. That's fantastic. But but then to your other thing question about learnt learning. So the defacto in a lot of cases is just the male experience and back to that the building the rowboat or building the boat racing the boat that was the defacto norm. And we look at it from a lens of is racing in middle school building about racing is that really want to do when our experience, and we have an institute with psychologists and with PHD's who. Really create who do research primary research where about to come out with digital decoding digital natives research project. So you'll if you go to our side, you'll see a lot of grads of three research on on how girls learn me, very important stats about about that entrance as well. So one of the things we also know that girls really liked to interact and communicate and using that network example is is another one, you know, instead of like individually getting the girls to learn this. We do it in a collective group sitting around a circle talking like, yeah, they love doing that. And they learn the lesson as well. So, you know, don't give you a more, advanced example for older girls. Again, another one of our partners said don't we don't have enough girls who really understand not just the robotic arms. But but they really wanted them to have girls really understand robotic arms and being able. To to move them move object. And so we said, okay, give us let us figure out. How do we get girls interested, and what that story in that? What we call that journey that the girls are solving is we tell the story of there's an elephant herd Africa that is led by matriarch, and they are baby elephants. The matriarch leader of the herd gets caught in a hunter's snare in loses a limb you have to create that Lim, otherwise the entire herd and the baby elephants will die. Okay. Grills? Will they'll like they don't say, oh, I really need know about mechanical engineering need to know about physics. They go and say I'm going to keep that mom get that elephant back on her feet. I'm gonna figure this out. So we see that we see that with for example, our cyber security. We have many girls working on different projects because cyber security is influencing how we civically engage. Wjr. But there was one girl I met in the cultural feels in California and what she's working on for her grand challenge. Gold award is she said with the internet of things controlling tractors combines. She said, I'm focusing on. What happens to the sustainability of our food supply when the internet of things is hacked in our tractors combines can't function at that. You know, she's learning about cyber security to make the world a better place. And I really yeah. So we really we know that girls tend to over index of I don't wanna be an engineer just to be an engineer. I wanna be an engineer because I'm going to help people do something to help the elephant help the elephant herd, I'm gonna keep the corgi alive. And we see that over and over with the projects that they do in their communities as well. That's beautiful. Whereas I would try to get the elephants to battle in try to head south. So. Point. And another when you talk about just the experience is pretty much normal for the male in education. You also told a story about cancer research in nineteen ninety two and how a girl scout was was that her gold project that helped change that I don't know her goal project, but she went to congress and said, you know, how much of our government funded or federally funded cancer research was done on women and the answer was Zemo. It's next question. How much of breast cancer research? Federally funded was done on women in the early nineties and the answer was zero. And you said how and they said what we didn't know how to factor for hormones that bind. Bye. Law change. So that federal funds. I mean, the federal funded cancer research had to be also included women. And after that, that's why breast cancer is no longer necessarily a death sentence. We have seen a huge huge amount of research coming from that and life expectancies improve. And I'm grateful. She asked that question because it had not been asked, and therefore the research had not been done at that level in once it was done at that level with improved outcomes. It obviously spreading seem thing. Now was like maternity in. I'm pregnant women that a lot of testing of you know, obviously, it's dangerous, but isn't done on them. So then when they end up taking medicines during their pregnancy at it, south number of different ways because they just haven't figured out the research. That's unbelievable. It is. And also the norm is once again for almost all the over the counter drugs. The norm is a. One hundred eighty pound male, not a female. So as when I take some cold prescriptions. I have to cut it because I'll get way to be. But no, I'm not the, you know, I'm not the norm disting-, I'm hundred mail is the norm. So I got a cut the dosage never thought about that. Wow. Wow. Yeah, we not all the industries have have changed. But at least the funding on the cancer research federal had been changed in. We were all beneficiary the fat. Hundred percent. So you right girl scouts is is changing girls lives. It's giving them confidence. It's also making our world better. I guess what is one thing that you wish teachers knew about girl scouts, and how could we really increase a partnership between schools in girl scouts. I would really appreciate that. You know, we have so many girls and the nation that would benefit from this. So you don't have to do troupe all by yourself, and we have a variety of different ways that you can do troops as well. I think some people think, oh, it's just that after school mom model. But actually, we are incredibly flexible in the different ways that we can do troops. And we do really like the troop model because it takes girl potential teaches a skill adds for to apply the skill, but also has carrying adult who's there to develop her potential, and so you could have a group of teachers who could be part of troops or teachers could invite the girl scouts in. In because so much of what we're doing fit. So well with what what is being taught in science technology, engineering math, some of the outdoor skills data analytics, you know, being aware of, you know, the flora and fauna trees all types of things that you might wanna learn we're teaching as well as a social emotional learning skills. Those are showcase what I would love. Teachers get to know today's girl scouts invite them into your classroom. We are very different than any other organization, including other physicians share are less name. We're focused on girls only, and we have the research in the results that really has easing life outcomes. I can't tell you. I know we're up on time. And I cannot tell you how much we appreciate you both taking the time in also telling your incredible stories that just will continue to inspire people for generations. I'm sure of it. Thank you so much for being you in for for being with us today. I wanna thank you. And I wanna thank all the teachers that are out there. I'm here because of great teachers, great public schoolteachers, and I'm so grateful for all the teachers wherever you teach in what you're doing to develop the rising generation. So thank you. Okay. Ben, let's close up shop wedge learn while so much for stuff that our favorite girl scout cookies thin meant has to be mine too about you Becky, what's yours at Abbas gonna save ten meant to. But I don't wanna take your as the peanut butter one the tag along usually just eat salted meats in lift weights. But I guess if you eat cookies, that's fine noble. Honestly, I loved what Sylvia said about really finding the no behind the no, right? That her marching band teacher said no girls can't carry that drum in marching band. And she figured out that the real reason behind the marching band teacher saying that was that he didn't think she was strong enough. And so she addressed that concern. And I think so often and education, we might get a no from a student, and that no might be actually them saying, no or might just be their behavior. And there's always a root causes. Always something behind their misbehavior behind their disengagement. And it's our job as teachers to really find the no behind the no. And so I want to next time. I hear no or Sinoe in behavior from students or people I work with I really wanna seek to understand. What's the true? Meaning behind that thought that was great to hear from her. How about you? Becky. That's awesome. That's awesome. And that's one of the things that struck me. Most about the book when I read it to which really is I wasn't just blowing smoke like it's it's really good. If you have kids or or you work with middle schoolers, it's a really cool one to pick up off the shelf for them. But a couple of things when she talked about how it those kids were waiting in a line to see her speak. And she thought really it was because you know, they don't often get to engage with rocket scientists that look like her thought that was it was really intense. And I think we have a lot of students that maybe we sometimes don't spend enough time trying to show those people to and let them see what they can be in really expose them to all of the different. People out there that are doing amazing work that might not look like you were me. And then I was really struck to buy when she was speaking about linguistic, Asian, and what an asset it can be. But that to help to honor those students cultures as well and bring that coversation into the fold like all those things I need to get so much better at and so that's kind of like an ongoing learning for me as well. But this episode was loaded with tangible takeaways for teachers, so we want to build that up a little bit as well. So Siri what time is it? It's time to get out of our heads and into the classroom. Any simply please help me. You. It. Well, that is right. It is out of our heads into the classroom. The part of the show where we give you actionable advice tangible tips that you can bring your classroom the next day. And today, we're trying to make them all somewhat girl scout related so my first one was I was really impressed in challenged by the gold award that she talked about just that idea that there is this monumental unreachable goal that girls can do in girl scouts and get that gold award. And that she heard from college professors that that's basic or college admission that that's basically automatic entry into one of their schools. How cool that is. And an oboe scouts has the same thing with the eagle scout award that really hard tasks to achieve and I just thought how neat would it be? If at the start your year you've set a couple of those goals for kids. It is going to be really really insanely difficult and maybe one kid a year one kid every three years actually hits that. But how great to have that out? There is a goal in. I taught government in US history for a lot of years. I was thinking for me, maybe it would have been that. I would encourage my students to go to town hall meeting actually, speak up or that they would call their legislator. Not stop calling till actually got to talk to them. Or maybe you're a teacher, and maybe an elementary school teacher in use at the goal of reading one hundred eighty books outside of the the actual classroom. So I think having a really hard difficult goal out there for students is really motivating it could just be an awesome badge on the year. Good went badge. Speaking of badges. Another cool idea is make badges for your class. Have the kids generate the topics, and what would be required or what kind of things they want to work on. And then you could three D print those or create have them create logos. And then send it to you know, to print stickers that they can use on on their devices or on their lockers things like this. And if you school g or another learning management system, those sometimes enable you to have students help you design badges and create a classroom or even a school wide system for badges and mini certifications industry. Does that all the time like IBM, for example, their employees were just here? The other day talking about how they're earning badges to to further their professional learning, and that's something that we could be doing classrooms to. Yeah. It'd be it'd be awesome. With those badges to whatever management system, you're using field students put those badges in their profile picture. So that other students see if it is a digital badge. That'd be a great way to display it as opposed to physical badge. Becky, you'd said about how do we? We make sure that students see themselves in leaders around the country that really hit me as well that it is so important that the all those kids lined up to see Sylvia because they'd never seen a rocket scientist who looked like her and one of the reasons I think girl scouts is. So popular is the community aspect that it brings in. So my next tip is how can you use just the power of video now to bring people who look different than you to the eyes of your students and really leveraging your family connections in your class. I think it'd be a great thing at the start of the year to ask students to may be say people that they have in their lives that would be willing to make little videos or FaceTime into your class about a certain topic. Even if that thing that their face timing in is about a failure. Oh, I think it'd be really neat to reach out to your family and bring them into your classroom with with video. That's a really good idea. And then another one I wanna talk about Sylvia spoke lot about creating opportunity through sy-. Civic engagement and recently our social studies coordinator in in our district pet. She shared with us, some amazing resources on engaging in civic action in your classroom. So I'll link those in show notes, but one of the ones I wanna call out is this guidebook for civic engagement. It comes from the National Center for learning and civic engagement, and they give examples and strategies as well as they outlined what good civic engagement instruction looks like in a classroom, and how to support students in taking local or even global action on matters that are important to them kinda like you were talking about before bed as always thank you so much for listening. I hope you like this conversation as much as we did. And if you like this up, so could you share it with a friend? And if you are now or wherever girl scout, please add that to your linked profile. I'll have to do that before. This goes live have a great generic time of day.

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The Grid 046 ft. Michael Acevedo  Eight-Deuce Offsuit

The Grid

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The Grid 046 ft. Michael Acevedo Eight-Deuce Offsuit

"Data feel it. Hit me welcome to the grade I'm your host Jennifer Shoddy and we'll be taking thirteen by thirteen episode journey through every possible. No Limit Holdem in one hundred, sixty, nine hands in total from AC's to seven days officer each episode I'll interview another top poker player personality about their hand. Once a Combo is taken, it's gone. So this podcast become progressively more difficult as hands like ace king are moved from the red whether you spend hours poring over grids. As you study, poker loved listening to had history pause while grinding cash or just interested in absurd scavenger hunts. We're GONNA have some. Cards. Dealer of. Hit Me. They seem. He's. Awesome. down. Low everyone and welcome to another episode of the grade with Michael Asa. Vado Michael's poker pro with over two million dollars online cashes. He's a renowned coach at GTO poker and he's an author of a really incredible modern poker theory building an unbeatable strategy based on GTO, principles. Today, he brings a really fascinating twist on our grade as he takes a lawsuit. Thank you because not that many people play that. And? One of his hands it's one of Stevie Chick's hands. Tell us a little bit about first of all. Thank you. Michael for joining us and tells a little bit about how you ended up choosing this hand. Credit well, thank you so much for having me amber excited to be part of the. well, the hand is something that I have but he could memory off. You basically marks a change in a book career in handed was played by a friend of mine stiffen. She'd week it was maybe some five years ago or something that I was looking off to get invited by ape cells, John, Bentley h cells. He's a study group where he was going weekly over. Will Dip tons expert holding book they were studying these book chapter by Chapter. Weekly. So he invited me with Lizanne weak advance time. I. Was playing some twenty dollars a buying tournaments back Dan. Just, getting started online had been playing for six months or something was lucky because I think Jong got fun of me. We get along. Well, I showed him that I was listening to. I Note First Coaching Session and he just invited me to these study group I had to study the chapters they of the booking advancing one week timeframe and they work is very math heavy looking for as so I even really have much Waesche in the know the things that are very the book. And then I also have to learn how to use Cardoni seavy which was. So what are you seem to stay back then before this whole personal of these looks for short I bussing by today to the group and I was very shy didn't speak much for as much for most of them at the station. But towards the end, these guys were studying a hand which is the twelve defended from the Big Languid eight twelve race back. Then I think I mean race some we were just defending everything at how was played on your good. So many such great forgetting back. Then the Lakers were everything from the beat. So. He defended eight two. And the flow plus something like a wing eight x eight, three, eight seven perhaps something like that. I cannot recall hand exactly as he played because he was just so long ago. But the bottom line is that he and then folded the river when everything briefed. Would second pair and I just I just said out loud I. Think you're folding folding too much and everyone went silent on the Cold War social. If you folks I think Week H. South may be I. Think Ryan doubt was also invited but the street that day there. So it was pretty tight group which was fired over nobody and I was you know had just playing devoting to. They're talking out loud with a hand Steve Late in two thousand dollars tournament. And Thailand than our most somebody changes the can they call ended and I was like, Oh man I feel I came. SAPS on something here, and then the added me on skype. We started chatting about the hand. He went to bed because he was very late night then I stayed up. Old. Matt I by hand and then I just sent him if he everything governor seavy at the next day and when I woke up, I had a message from insane. You were ripe. He was a was a coal and I will get you home assignments for next week. I will say. So assignments for next week. So that means that I mean Biden next week to these sites. These guys so many was super exciting for me. He goes. Yeah. I was just getting started I was playing. Low stakes, empty diesel nine, and I just had my first station h cells and he's coaching was like two, hundred, fifteen bowlers the our back then in I couldn't afford it just he was my back in paid for it. And Soy also excited on these hand just marks. A shift for microcredit because Dan I started going weekly disguise attending to their sessions seeing how been think about the game. Then you're sober was released and steady was one of the first guys. Got It. So as after we've finished reading the book restarted getting weekly so that we could pull it with Stevie we know with feel Solberg in I was actually the last guy in the group who was able to purchase a software because it was like five hundred dollars basic license something like that and I didn't have them on. I just didn't have five hundred dollars to buy the awkward ride. So first thing I did when I had something that get they're lacing. They beat aid for next thousand voters I purchase sober and then the next speakers discordant have ice shift the big twenty two for like ten k. an I bought a ten thousand, five, thousand dollars computer. With help the morning. So that I will be going to be able to run simulations. So West less the last game, the group get the sober ended thrown the stuff bad. I just failed. So into it that I just Have not stopped relations and investigating stock for years and. Working with them we then after I, go the sober we gave of moments of different spots each other that we will wrong. We will produce these articles ride when we will go in-depth detail with the sole getting screen short sold death, and we shared with the group, and that can going for a long time until eventually develop this whole, we were everyone in different time zones and we couldn't. Get together and just eventually fell apart. You was such a greatest starting is for me just change everything massive Olga started with the end aid to. That deceive blame the tournament. Amazing. Amazing. You know when you first method to me about the hand I, I do know. You know Stevie and of course he's for those of you who don't know were poker fans listening to this of course he's one of. The greatest players both live online yet he says sequel absolutely like him. An APE sell Jamaa makes him by into foxholes like these guys are all big place for high rotors stuff like that. I was very lucky I. Think it was very lucky. You had the opportunity to start with them, and also that they like the way sink about the game endo had to protect you connect with them. And the way that you present things to in your book I can understand the reason that why they wanted do in in the group. Okay. Before we move on, I do want to go back from the hand just a little bit because you say that Stevie was on the but in this was a six Max to K. sitting go. Are you saying it was down a heads up or he was actually the button two lines I think there were still three players or something? Yeah. It was big numbers with both Tony. Wasn't hit seven he defended I think. He just called mean race on the evening right I'm not hundred percent sure because he was so long ago cold that. Second bed on board with the aid to everything briefed in particularly the eight to combination that he had had to spates that didn't block the flush Tros and they can block strangers. So calling with the A to was actually very cold pulling with something I would keep here it would have any because he will block the straight unflushed that means that rate. So his eight to particularly was pretty good combination to call the with end. That's also something that is interesting because every berry early on before I really going to solve already can have these understanding of blockers and staff that is high bands in not many people were were thinking this way five years ago now people do. It, because this back denied that I so that kind of thinking is helped me you know understanding the game the level also worked with these guys understood. So it was like a Queen Eight seven must've been for eight to remain second pair I. Guess It must've been three four right something that three it must have been Queen Eight, seven, three, four, three, five something like that a really unique run out in that no no. Over cards to the aid and so Queen Eight, seven, three, four kind of busted spade flush draw and explain what you mean about why you'd rather have like eight deuce than like eight, ten or eight nine, you have the eight, nine or eight ten. Already been some eight six. It will block some of their estranged or combinations you're pointing we'll be bluffing Aker streets also he had bait and he okay I think turn also being a Backtra flusher. So I think it was diamonds and hearts and he had the aid. With Bates, which didn't block any of the stress. So in hindsight, it ended up being one of the best eight x two colon that thrown out in that situation. Yeah. So he had. A deuce of clubs in an eight of spades or something like that. You didn't have card runners was it again because you said they were using crtv by the way I did use crv back in the day and I actually Kinda miss it because it's very visual in my mind and I think it forced you to put in so many inputs that I know I felt like it really helped you kind of. Get a good understanding of what was my on. Call correctly you really had to put in a lot of inputs like even more than you would with Pyeho or yeah. That's the difference covering C. E. Say hi input loader at sober amputee slow impo than high out but so. You kinda have only have pulling the rain is in the bedside assist any strikes across all three streets and is you have to build the vendors for bedding for racing for calling the race for rejoining like how many defend decision on owners you have in the simulation, you have to defend yourself and have to be balanced I. Think for us who were like all schooling word that software it actually help on understanding the game for short deeper level by the Assad study tool be assault of course much more efficient right? Yeah. Carter owners could take a long Time to just run one hand like in this example. But then by the end, you would have a very strong understanding of both the theory and the X. plates. Yeah and also a good thing about carbonates his daddy helps you also understand exploding play much better right because you can miss out around with their balloon venues. You're like what happens if he's calling, you'll be less frequently here. You know how much hy-vee might lost he was helpful bad spending so much time with it when now you can just spend a couple of minutes seeing a silverlake peaceful. and. Then run it and get so many more answers a much more efficient. He was good but I didn't go back. I don't even know if you can. I did miss the crtv a lot of ways and I think I went back I think any kind of merged with like GTO plus I think they're like the same program now that sound correct to you same because you can still get the carbon on TV, is still happen on my computer but the Creator also created you're close to duty applause oversold sober, which is actually pretty good. It's like. Seventy five box and he say completes hoggeries. preachy Benny Has Olmedo features most people will ever need yet and I would have been something that back in those days if it had existed of having to put down the five hundred bucks in the five thousand and soon thereafter that might that might have helped someone like you out. So you didn't even have Carter owners ev because you presumably you haven't bought it yet. So you had to do this eight deuce off suit math by hand like how would you go about doing it by hand what I did was Basically, the mouth using minimal defense frequencies and streets, and just get in to see how much of office depot range should he have been defending on the floor tournament river and then getting by the river and giving those numbers to Steve he blocked that into receive. And we came to the conclusion that the A to one of the best hands. The also the issue of the DOT com was highest because of the blocker basically, what happened getting half Cockburn AC-. Before my first study station with Abe Sales he told me if I wanted to be part of the study group he invited me just releasing it for the first time. He actually said this crunchy is about outward barriers if you can read and study the. First five chapters of depends booking while we can also learn how to use carbon mercy in a week. Then you are invited, I was Kellyanne and had sent to him this and I downloaded the book Kimberly me at the end. I also didn't blame offer to anything else during the week everyday taking notes, and I will send those notes to F cell so that he will see that was few putting the work and that's something that I think Israel. Would you WanNa get good that something could be chest I could be. It could be anything in life. You have to be willing to bring the hours from the work and some people even though they might be very talented. They don't have this drive you putting the work putting the hours. That's really makes the difference at the end of the day I think why these guys are also like me and also I structure my thinking very mythology calling in mathematical. So I'm pretty good at structuring data and making sense of things, and that also shows he might book and actually the book is kind of you know what a bowl from. Thinking process and may experience with this study with these guys because this is actually what we were doing daily basis, just writing articles about specific spots and then shedding the data in fishing way and well, CD is pretty westbound good old. So as his articles and sharing the data in also by letting with these guys with a how can I present the data? How can organize these so that it is better under sued by my teammates and how can I teach them also how to sterilize the articles that would be writing to each other so that we all can you know exchange fishing way and all of these help me in that way than coach. Doing coach for five years and over these Sabine to me understanding the way or could actually works at released better difficult something massive absolutely massive in boot everything. That is so complex into is you know a four, hundred, eighty pages blue can make sense of all. He wants to talk work but I'm glad that I that I did it and it fascinates me that used articles because I think one of the struggles that some people have. With solvers is that they get all this this overwhelming amount of information about a hand and you know without actually explaining it to yourself and words like much of it might lose your attention. So you actually like wrote paragraphs and combine that with like screen shots is that how it worked? Yeah. What we did was take a spot that say we were going to study some as high twenty limits suboxone coordination but situation. So you just wrong thing relations. And then you take screen shots for the range is for both players imposition out see. I just start to break it down what has been consideration but here, hansard being checked back What hands on what actually as. example any board if you break it down into wet hands has the check back with the bed web bet sizes being preferred also. Using multiple sizes I than we just cut down relations with motivates, sizes that were used as much and make notes and the key points they cocaine in this situation, the small. High frequency spoiled but the hands like check this love with has like bet Different. So why disciple hand ex likes to bet on hand? Z., which you seem are down wants to ship with what makes it different issues. You can start to break it down a better deep level and they used make notes, share everything team, and that's how we learned and it was super super helpful because we had four five. Berry Bright people book players, footings weekly shared into team Mason. Yeah absolutely. Because you exploring your book, there are many also referred to Tipton books in this way as well where you talk about the difficulty of figuring out how many flops subsets you have to study, and certainly tackling them as a group would be a lot easier if you if you want to get through them in any year or so as you, you came to the conclusion that there was at least three hundred, fifty Tipton. The book tried to argue that you could get by with one hundred. You thought that that was too few. So I a conclusion that you came to working with this book that you felt like you needed to look at a large number of flop so that you wouldn't accidentally give principles that don't really apply at the end of for the weekend for my personal study. Would I ended up doing these using old flips. So the game is composed by two thousand, two, thousand, one, hundred flops if you remove some of their this effects of this goal. On I so more fake I more think affect you remove the ice for morphine flops. For example, the asking of clubs he's a the exact same flow as the ace King Queen of diagnosed spades. So all these flops the the exact same. So if you want the relations for just one of them, you have this ocean for the other ones because you know you can just change clubs for space and that said you have lost your flaws or whatever. So we aren't spades better than clubs. Some games in some gays. Yeah. Thank goodness that. that. This rule applies because otherwise the grid would be much more difficult projects. I'm only doing one, hundred, sixty, nine. Red. Exactly. Exactly. So once you those From ice more flops, you can reduce the game two, one, thousand, seven, hundred, and fifty five flops cheese law rights to see the love Abbott identify found many ways to categorize Organiz data making flips families. For example, textures we have no clubs are monotone. So a single suit. Are Two tone with two of soup. With rainbow flags of our troops with three of a kind. pair. Boards that have a pair on it, and then you can you know for the break those down into hiker so you have flips are. Ranked as hiking, high green high then create some configurations for like five minutes. So you have slopes or have a high car. hiker meaning a Cardin Jack Queen King or Amilcar six, seven, eight, nine, a low carb, two, three, four five, and then you have the as which is kind of wild card in. So was you can see that flops belonging to a family or so consign. It is easier to Saudi for example, let's say Euskadi Blake as fights to write. In nation bedding situation. Okay. Then a flop as for three or as for two or ace to treat is betty seeming are like this Stri play these boards it's not going to be massively different. So do can only have two side one of them again because you know you just said these the dealer flips into finally going to be so senior and then there are already things. That are important for simple floats half to possible flops rates only one possible flops straight or fearful of straits that changes massively striking some situations would big Ginkel Dane of the combinations that make these opposites rates. So that gives the people in search different range of a strong hands. If he can have been played cannot have but degrade peace opening from early position. So all these things affect. The output and the strikes in the game, and then you try to use the game from the one, thousand, seven, hundred, and sixty five flops to let's say, only one hundred flops. It's almost impossible to to cover all the CIVES, all the high ranks and all of them, combinations and the. Number, of Flop Straits and also make sure that most of the venues can make offsets in all of this. So it is almost impossible task to to reduce the game three from more than than this. So what I did was just run over flops I, get a I was able to rent a little service online and at some point, I think it had twelve for fourteen absolute dynasty for pre flopping post flop and ended up with thousand thousand thousand detailed solutions than I. Just it was to aggregate the data, all the database and then got the. With, the flock degrees and groups families, I, Mansion Angry Dad I was able to create some breathing interesting charts that usually show you destroy these different. That's boards and I pull dining the book. So you ran all the flops but then when people study them, they look at fewer than all of them they look at a few hundred at is that what you came up with? You most as high boards with like twenty you can just bet you ranch ranch, right for example now day that I have because I, run all clubs right so I can feel all of them in the database NBA I want to see as high awards coordination begging how often is the implication? A combat range or closer range in all of them. So that immediately gives me an insight. I don't have to see each one of the as high flops in this particular scenario because I have this relations for. Aggregate the data mb, ensue, the average duration bedding, maybe the aggregate across over the as ninety, five percent finishing. But so you can just basically bed range and you will be good for simple. Nice us. You can get from these. Let's say multiple modes floppies, tree hearts, and then turns out that this whole mostly like a very small size like twenty five percent book or mean beds or wondered. So now, I know that by aggregating the data of all of their floods are more tone, I can confidently mostly bet small I don't have to be thinking in these individual sports like so much. Okay. The MD confused like okay should've had the extra bethnal our note that it should be betting small. So then just might of few out which parts my ranch are. So trying to find these type of general rules that applied the much wider situations is kind of the goal not going for the grandma staff, which is what people do when they said it was soldiers they look at one flop and they try to struggle the data from one single situation a much wider range. It doesn't work that way because some flops will than others have different characteristics. But when you look at them as a group, you know putting in a group of clubs scenic arteries send you said his family and you can come up with this sort of general rules or just applying game and. Part of your arsenal brain absolutely, and you usually I ask people in the grid when they have a hand to go back in time and think about how the hand would be played differently today. So taking a trip down memory lane of Queen, seven eight and the to town flop would this hand have played differently today first of all the big line would they have defended the sauce? No, probably know now I think back then good regulars were defending much everything. I remember seem South one-two-three defending seven to also catch game tournament empty against again and he's just everything's so. It's not surprising that this high rates were doing this because we didn't have soldiers and they were just constantly putting the world trend new things and yet you getting such a good price to call even worse. A table Hammond a two of from the big by now, we understand that equity realization is A. Factor. So even though you're getting like four to one on the coal table hand, it doesn't mean that you will be able to realize that equity and captured the portion of the poll. A theoretically belongs to the equity that your hand has because most flocks. these or nothing that in your range is much much stronger than yours that he can't play much fresher savings Fla Emil Fair sometimes you will not be able to get to the to the showdown with his hand and some guy let's say, for example, you have something like eight, two, seven two you would only briefly right if you're calling for your tournament wherever you know you'll have one more big Clinton me for an Olean. Can Call because now even if you're pointing has like I dunno a skiing, and if up comes as expects, you can back going to pierce backdoor to preempt right at that wage would realize your equity. But if you just go to see the flop endanger pointing good small bed in as high working high. And you have nothing have fold. Even if you're putting also has not seen judge snow have full your ace, your eight. Hi You're. Setting High and you will not be able to get the improve your hand and this is why it is different to call when you have the odds with your in compared to win not only because you will be forced of your equity at a very high frequency of flop and that's why eight deuce would have been folded today it was an anti game I assume so. So. As an Anne, it was a two cases go with Anne's but still eight dues not good enough. In fact, I, just for fun I was scouring your book for other examples of eight days off because you have so many charts in your book it's really beautifully designed which I want to get into a minute as well but really the main part that eight deuce comes up in is. Does fall into that narrow range of hands that are folded even an anti game for the to the small blind eight deuces just in that. Thirteen to twenty percent of hands that go into the hawk, but it does have a starring role in some surprising big blind isolation's guess. That's one of one of the good ones to raise smuggling goals when smuggling calls in a blind pursuit blind situation when you have anthony involved in a tournament, then the big lane wants to raise a replies range than clips out of thrash hands. So you can start to race aid to shoot seven to nine to Sperry trashy them forward you know Jack treat that hands because installations. Declined want to be named V jamming a lot for example, with medium and small stacks. You want to have a hand that doesn't matter if you're funding lean fault your Gabbay to a vase John McCain if all these doesn't matter right, you WanNa be racing equity and do not want to be racing on eight nine suited. Because then you're regions perfetti be when it's like, Oh, no not have to fall Mahan is a pretty handy went to. So. If he hand that he's good enough for you do want to see the flop and you don't want to be pushed of your equity is good for you to just check it back and then grazing a more polarized range that includes hands. Are you happy to raise coal and hands that you have to raise fall against region? Exactly and that's why you you had those big bars representing about I. Think it was about fifty to sixty percent of the eighties off especially in the shallower ranges like the twenty-five big blind limp ranges you're showing these charts at showed just a surprising to many amount of ISOS with the eight. Dues nine news off, and then when you got like eight six, there was more checking going on as you mentioned because you didn't really WANNA. Take the eight six off, which has a lot of potential to make straights and straight draws and raise it, and then get jammed on an obviously have to fold surprisingly the big supposed to raise blinds blind something forty percent of the time even more than that, and most places won't do it like most players would just be checking back. Happy old stretching hands on the only race with the good hands for simply tried that you can develop against a blaze for not isolating from the beginning. You can just link everything because now they allow you take the flock for Betty chief and you get to even realize with hand as bad as eight to from this land because they will not be racing that you just let you flop and then you get to realize punctured equity for cheap and then you gave. Them as flop a lot of time as well because they are not going be defending as much as. A kind of general rule that you can't library there. When you know that your opponent is not isolating from the lent forty percent believing close to leave everything nice stretches you don't care. You know he just allow you to realize your equity and since he's racing enough bend yours low place are not necessarily because he will not be putting enough money when you leave helium tracking with dance for Jacks. So race instead don't Boletin? Check back with his hands because now he's that's what he's going to do. So when you know it's exploits but you know this collision strategy that allows you to implement exploitation right there. Immediately, we don't even happy saying so much about spot and I should point out guys that. These ranges are based on a full ring MTV with the twelve and a half percent anti Of course, there'd be a lot different if it was just like a heads up game and it was actually two players and or or even three big blind any but anyway. I WANNA move on to more questions about your book was quite beautifully done. Can you tell us a little bit about the visual aspect of poker learning because there were so many charts in your book and as a coach and as an educator in must be very important to you being able to show people these poker theory visually I. Think Human being the Berry bestial animal or is it all in a way that beach important for us and that's how we learn a law I said physics and I'm always been drawn Dino Charts the day that I have a certification, some gold six sigma. which certifies an expert in process improvement for financial services. In these six sigma. For improvement, we use a lot of charts, the percents, data management, right so you started financial data that he's a bunch of columns with numbers into beautiful charts that can be understood for non mathematicians right and that's something that goes along very well with with these. So when I first working with these guys through in. Describing. Articles for our team Okay. You know what are better ways to represent the date to make things easier and have been thinking about this for a long time? So when I was approach by Jonathan Little NBA Poker to ride theory book they were looking forward on expert in concealing to write a book in My name Powell somewhere because I have been now doing some articles for high little profile players after I ended Adna kind of became these guy who would be doing these articles for high level guys will be contacting me for your sinus speaker spot mentioned something new what I need to know. These are no for Big Bang Scott, versus both ways help approach health played in on in a balanced manner. You do a report something for me in ahead. Yeah. I can do it Soviet constantly doing producing these type articles for high level guys after society look I also became friends. We'd marching costs who saved ballistic to bracelet winner and he's also mathematician of words in a very similar way to mine, and we also work the grading waste like you know to to do the things I was approached by spoke about the started right myth and immediately jump into the. The most advanced staff and they actually stopping my tracks and where you know you will be better if you can make chapter because otherwise people will be tool is about what the hell is this guy talking about high. So I went back to do these intro chapter I was also will benefit Greenpeace software did get your poker software I just mentioned to you. Health breaking down the data showing graphical way in what I did was using the charts and from myself were an damage to the book and Yeah just having all these experiences with charts charting data. Came before they just got to the point where I was able to work everything beautifully. So that people will to understand because your is so much data. You have no Yelich how many. Millions of rows of raw data that are being citing after in chart. You have pie chart breaking down in colours and. Just give you a couple numbers. is so much easier to absorb that for for students in Yeah abused solver for Niang private students for longtime now Hopefully, will be a Bible assume for the but for now is from today us, privately to study with my students and I use a lot of data in in the book I talked to, for instance, Andrew Lichtenberg or and some others who say that they can visually absorb the information in like a great, very easily because of all their practice I guess is that something that you see a lot where somebody can Kind of just like gulp the thirteen by thirteen grade in the shadings in it in just like kind of internalize almost like it was a chest position definitely think that's Bentham. Actually ahead because we can present the data the their. These grid in actually helps me sometimes when I'm visualizing the hand. I. Tried to think about range at the beach realizing than the caller Katie's forces differential gong orders, the range he raised with. So they are also gun just so much easier feeding more unique charts like the concept of equity buckets that I developed for the book which I think is groundbreaking. I don't think I've ever sanity that before on this concept of Equity Buckets, what he does is you stake every single hand for each one of the players in the hand. And you can arise if given the equity it has. So if they haven't has over seventy, five percent equity is a strong hand if the has fifty to seventy five percent, but he is going to be a good hand a hand without thirty, three, fifty percent. And then a trash hand will have listened to percent equity. So you have four categories and then you take each hand and even the equity it has against opponent range would have been one of these buckets and then you see the pie chart in the book and you can very easily see like range US trash. So I can just bet soil frequently here because. If I may mean bit how he's Ranchi strives he's GonNa be forceful in. So now what I actually be shoreline when I'm playing is Equity Buckets Strike to see the how mantra feature one of these buckets he's rain has. So I'd have to think about the exact kumble's but have a rough idea of the okay. These board he's going to have a ton of a strong hand. So these spy charges GonNa be so massive and I just cannot bed. So many hands you have to be passive stuff like this. If need helps me at least in Utah has helped my students allowed at thinking about these equity bucket so you have to think about each Combo. Or even have to come combos because that's just so much work insourcing possible to win you are you're actually blame yeah I agree because thirteen by thirteen, that's almost three times the size of a chessboard. It's so many different cells and I think it's interesting that you go from like the square this many many squares of a great, and then you take it to more basic circle just a pie chart by truck yet by you with twenty four colors and. simplifies things so much for puzzle late now. On my God, How many of these? Just. You know try skilled in strong and weekends menus. He had a ton lot because again of the day, what is important also to develop a postal strategy I know when you have the better big or small but high frequency or check hogging the board but you need to know is just how these equities are distributed and if you can be is again the polar for example, that he's made off a few really strong hands and a bunch of thrash. Probably. Should not be putting a large fan there. For example, billboards in better board a big blind versus implicit competition bidding situation. The Big Bang will have a bunch of tricks like let's say, two floppies, six seven, right. The will have a bunch of six seven communications that are off successive. He defense than have trips that are very strong besides the troops he's got to have a bunch of trash. So the be range composed by a little thrash hands that are. Like Nine High you know eight, nine, three sued now have nothing on this. These right. So I went to bring five. So many tries hands, but also has a bunch of strong hands at are six x trips or better right? So now the instant blazer has careful. So he shouldn't be betting beak in a pair board because not debating large large bedside since deranged polarized that only benefits demand you're putting a lot of money and he falls when he asked air and he raises you, we has this from Heaven Right? Because he has a little what you should do per board is bed small like mean. acknowledged you're forcing out of derange or distract hands that have absolutely nothing to do all of these hijack high full both for. A now he's force big inaction and revealed the strength of his hand when he actually has stripped on Jack races you with those hands. So that gives you a lot of information and he becomes so much easier for to play this fault, right you've been betting hitch a racist you poll what has happening potential or equity or equity, or whatever, and our strong by by themselves and you just follow you know where? The cut it. So understanding these echoed distributions on how they work is what really needs to do not counting combos but just understanding the overall structure of the ranch yeah. That's a great example and I think that's one example that for some reason people kinda tend to gravitate toward they think they study a lot of like paired board situations and sometimes people come to the conclusion that you should do a lot of exploiting there with a lot of check raising from the big blind kind of. Test whether or not the imposition player will be prepared for that strategy but I gotta ask like more general. What do you think causes the most counterintuitive results of the flop families like for somebody who's played a lot of poker but hasn't studied a lot of poker which one would they just have their mouth open like, oh my God I can't believe these result. Let's say the floppies let's say every with twenty blends right Amin, Race Tournament and the Bulan calls and the floppies is asking king. Right Ace King King. Why do you think is the is straight for the imposition pleasure when they're Blanchett's so these board asking. Is, actually a high checking frequency and it's moped size. This is one of the sports that conjuring with right because you might be thinking well as king. King definitely favors. Imposition right. He has all of the as of the book it gains over the asking combinations, right so the position players should have a mossy. Lea swap so that confuses people are intensive. Major you think that you want to be maybe using bedsides maybe being at a high frequency, but it turns out that. Again, these board is so polarizing for the blend that he's range is pretty much a king, an ace and duress absolute trash, right? Maybe if you've got, that's it. So the ranch for the beginning the these acuity, a shift in the equity distribution where now the big blend range with the more polarized range. Now, the imposition blade. Now, he has actually fact a little hands that are happy to shutdown showdown. He has a bunch of a bucket nine Book Jack spoke at Queens now has got short as even if you have like. A stain on his board. You don't WanNa bet and get checked raised because he brings when our kinetics and then air and that will be significantly different than for instance, in Ace King Queen flopped exactly flop. Now, you WANNA go larger bedsides when these health in this situation. So these type of situations. Identity And sometimes, surprised people because they're kind of contrary to your Kate I haven't must've bent that's on as King King Yeah. But you have such. As your Europe has nothing. Also, if you check back to allow him to make a second hand, sometimes you'll how told Serb lofty, right so maybe now that the beginning has so much air, would you check back this ace king? Do allow him to start laughing because he turns some through. Equity, babble the full house right now he starts blasting because he thinks that your captaincy check back with you are not there many different things that people are Vinnie to put attention to because the w the details for example, sometimes I've seen students were coach actually mentioned that you should be, let's say you open from Elliot coal by the bottom right now if you open from early position a lot but if you Open from the cutoff and you'll get called by the Boston and your tap again. Nice you checking up. So some people might run a simulation conference button and be like, okay I should be checking a lot but then they applied that also to the especially when there are under the began and they they called ambitious much different because the using play training by trial and error doesn't work for poker because again you have twenty, two, thousand, one hundred flips and then if you multiply dad but. You're going to have people on the small numbers but number Scotto will de homemade different situations. Do you really think you can try them all and damaging by the hands you can have so many hands and then you by the by every single slope is just right out in this awkward went hand went flop once tuition yet you try it and then you learn something you can. That A lot. Not so easy. So while on this in my opinion I think is better for you to try to understand poker. No, the concepts simple. I just explained per boards that small why? Because this is not just doing a bunch of times until you realize Oh man, maybe it should be Biden's Molin But what happens when you change your valuables than? Well, you render sang what's happening spot you can also mentally switch or chief. Buckets. These chart in your your mind. All Katie. Switched not look so much more like these other ones. So probably placing Larry right and it turns out he does one of the most important part of your book you write that the most important game theory concept is that GTO poker is not about balance it's about. For a lot people that does that doesn't make any sense they think of those as opposite. So can you unwrap what you meant by that GPO? air-conditioning strategies arise when two players are Max Monday exploiting each other let's say the solar start running humilation single spot, and then it starts to adjust the player's rank is on strategies Combo Combo little by little right. So if I do this does that he the dot identities and the HCT does this meetings of times and just so many either Asians right so what happens is that it gives you solution. For Sport when you're playing up against the perfect opponent who's adjusting perfectly to whatever you're doing. And this is it. So a GTO is against you'll it. Joe's doesn't doesn't leave any holes in your strategy because it had jobs to exploit your opponent while protecting yourself against your point contradicts location. Right, but these should be to wasting right if you're pointing Salsa controve exploding you adapting, you should be careful and be balanced. But if you're pointing east, not going to be countered exploiting you if he is not aware at all of what you are doing bench, you can just go max exploit and not care so much about being exploited because it doesn't matter your opponents unaware. So yeah, including a rice is when you are exploiting somebody who's also exploiting you that's a Cleveland that she wrote about GTO against somebody who is not GTO, is just Max expert him just go for Max five. against him every time if you know that this guy is so bad that he's calling station, he's voting rights you have go for nine three times. Every single time doesn't matter in when you have nothing, you can just bet small if he has nothing he falls if has something he called it usually about and that's chatting exploitable strategy you can apply but again, he's going to be unaware if he just calls every single time, you can just do note that he's calling station just go for maximum when you have it bit smog would you don't have it and then give up? Something that I will will work all of the nine out of ten is against but players you should just keep hammering on them because that's where most of the mornings I love that explanation and you know I really feel like it clicked for me a little bit when you said that if like I know from playing with like hr sea and stuff that lake you can. Click on something and you get like some bananas resolve because of the the experts that they make to your exploit, and then you keep clicking on the button and then you circle back to the original solution and it's like actually seeing those it's this active process of iterations can make you more respectful of the process rather than just go to the point and then you don't see everything in between yeah and knowing you is what helps you exploit better for example, what? I just mentioned about the blue play where if it's Molin Lemes, the blends should be isolating forty percent of his hands, and if you know as a fact at the beginning is now because great Bassey's you can again just Max by limping Tom Weekends and then race your strong hands because well, your hands went race because he's not racing health do not be able to lend you raise that much. So better raise yourself with your hands and link with the week. Ones, and that's an exploit display that I will be playing everything single dime against week players when I'm blind blind, we were blind so I'm not trying to play GTO but ice that keeps y'all. So that I understand how this equation should be approach, and then if I know my own has leagues I know very well how that look at Max biographies leaks and he has a great example for sure and then I think the important thing for people to realize is. That when you say that you're GonNa live with your weekend and you're raised with your strong it doesn't mean that you're doing those things in a pure one hundred percent strategy means you're calibrating it in a certain way depending on the strength of your of your upon exactly. I will be just seeing at up into my opponents now. Personally. I. Think I actually not as good at exploiting a similar players are really good at finding the League on. Okay. I know these. Close to this and then sometimes I only I display of mine that I fail to adapt to my sec- component sometimes while some players I, really really good at exploiting, exploiting, exploiting, and yeah, just different styles I think the best players in the world right now aren't the guys who understand a room so they can be unexplainable the fan against other puff opponents. But at the same time, they are very very capable of exploiting the opponent leaks and then just finding those speaks been attacking them and getting spotting every single time guys like instant cheated with art Good example, eight cells, I greatly samples of this Guy Betty theoretical players they have putting the our society with Tolbert, but they also can adapt. At to their specific opponents there many parks to become good a poker. So one of them needs Beating a study windy hours about execution everything. So it tomorrow it as much. If you are not good but usually to perform, he's not as easy as before you might think years old you could just know a fundamental folkard I make a million dollars in the first year it goes against where so much softer you had the United States online before. Black Friday that a now. still not impossible Boca Dream I. think he's still alive but I need to know that if you really want to go. Out there and become professional poker player or just become really good at this. You'll have pulling the hours and both you have putting the hours, start him, and you also have to bring the hours at the table late and become good a plane that only starting unique to both Ivokamet the ratio for play your sweater studies water starting with poker do study eighty percent of the time they want to the boat awkward employee twenty percent, and then gradually start putting more hours to play. Until you get to a point what you are actually really good at the game, you are actually beating the game. Now I want to be playing eighty percent of time and all these study twenty percent of your fines so that now you just keep improving if you just moved to one hundred percent play, you'll hall react to a halt and then again, valuables will behind. So recommend getting to eighty percent playtime and then putting percentage of time will be for decided just to keep you ahead of the curve. Yeah. Fascinating breakdown. That's the question that people ask all the time about tasks as well. So Y- that's that's some good insight of obviously differs a little bit. From player to player. But the overall average percentages that you're mentioning it's a really really interesting and Tom Yo I mean this has been so amazing. I've really enjoyed having you on the show honestly like the visual depiction of math and game theory in your book really ties into a lot of what I'm doing with my podcast, which is to kind of merge like the mathematical with the more creative. So it was really a guest that I had on my list in the beginning and I'm so happy they were able to come on and also that you've picked a hand eight deuce obsolete because honestly it would be really difficult to hire good hand with that. Yeah. No. Not that people began like that I guess. So I'll thank you remind Jennifer I'm very excited. Field on your a be personality. In Boca Chess I'm a big fan and I've seen your body in in some of the you know. It's just. Stuff like that. So being a part of these exciting for me every Thank you very much for having and yeah. Thanks. Where's the best place to pick up modern poker theory. I'm thinking Amazon is probably the easiest for everyone awesome dot com or in the in poker website the Fokker Dot dotcoms well. They ship it. I think worldwide not not sure states in Europe I know they do so. It's really a book that you want a hard copy with because of all the charts and the colors. I would highly recommend if you do get it for your kindle just because you wanNA travel if that's one thing, but you know you should get a hard copy if you're trying to decide I wanted to be different than other audibles like I'm not narcissistic that I needed to have might be shooting the front page of the. 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Bonus Episode with Elizabeth Acevedo

Bad On Paper

49:34 min | 7 months ago

Bonus Episode with Elizabeth Acevedo

"Hi! Everyone, welcome back to bat on paper PODCAST. We have a super exciting guest with us today today. We're joined by Elizabeth Osservato. Who was the author of our June Book Club? Pick clap when you land welcome. Thank you so much for having me. I'm delighted to be here. We're so excited to have you I'm GonNa? Give everyone a quick overview on who you are before. We got into all the questions. Just so everyone has the context so Elisabeth is the New York Times, bestselling author of the poet acts and with the fire on high in addition to clap when you land. The poet, x one, the twenty eighteen national. Book Award for Young People's literature and she has won countless awards for her. Writing is one of both of our favorite authors, and Elizabeth has a BA in performing arts from the George Washington. University an MFA in creative writing from the University of Maryland, she is a national poetry slam champion, and she resides in Washington DC. Welcome. Thank you I'm so happy to be here with you. We are so excited to talk more about your background, and also the making of this book, because it is one of the most unique books I've ever read. Oh I'm so happy to hear that it was a long process, and so I'm interested to hear what kinds of questions you have or what stood out. It's one of those books I think you've put out and you're like I have no idea what people are going to think about this because it's. A, just came from such a random place in some ways. I can't wait to hear more but Bekker's introduced you. And we're again. We're I. Haven't said it I am so happy record with you I. Wish we could be here together in person we used to. Before Cova do we would do all of our interviews in person I mean you're in DC and we're here in New York but. The next book. Yes, absolutely! Do you want to walk us through in your own words. how you got to wear. You are today. Yeah, we'd love to hear more about your career. Yeah I was born and raised in New York, which is helpful to know because it meant that I was at a lot of different intersections. Look, my parents are from the Dominican Republic and I was. was raised in neighborhood called Morningside Heights, which is right by Columbia University. And so in some ways I was near a lot of prestige in affluency than like the hub of education in in that part of New York, and at the same time you know one avenue away. There was a lot of poverty and it was a neighborhood where we had A. A lot of gangs, and and just disenfranchisement, which I think growing up in the middle of that you're like this is very strange that I am literally in a five block radius in there, so many worlds contained within this as a kid I knew that in so my writing initially came from observing what was happening in the neighborhood and just trying to. To make sense of it like my earliest poems, which were really rap songs were just like what what is happening at what? How do I kind of use language to try to make sense of that fast? Forward I go to high school. Have this amazing teacher. English teacher who is I'm trying to recruit me into the poetry club which we read the. This might sound familiar, but I was very much like a rapper Jay z's discovery. I'm going to be like ditty. Protege like I'm not wasting time with on like I thought there was this distinction between hip hop in Otros. It was in high school that I. Think I became a little bit more expansive in my definition of what is. What is alone? I went to college made up my own major I studied performing arts, which is literally just being like can I figured out how to do poems professionally on stages like that was my whole goal of by Michael. Which terrible degree to try to attempt to get in two thousand ten when there were a lot of jobs. If you had like a recession, so I didn't know what to do next and I became an English. Teacher I had always loved literature. I love books. This is the long story. Feel free to cut this. However, you want to slice it, but I want the long. Yeah, you missed the story. I became a middle school teacher did teach for America which placed me in the state in the Washington DC area and I thought the school called. Buck Lodge middle. School which arm was eighty percent Latin and never had a Latin teacher teaching. Of course subject. It was almost twenty percent black. They had never had an acolyte next at all expo, and so I'm in this space where. Where most of my students are not on reading level A- come from this background of loving literature, loving poetry, seeing the connection between oral performance and storytelling, and what that does for communities and I'm you know encountering young people who were telling me on a daily basis? I have no interest in this. This doesn't feel like it is for me, and and so the initial kind of. Of impetus of I wonder if I could take the energy that my young people respond to embrace that to form that they feel like isn't for them. Just tried to complicate back couldn't like the Codex. was that kind of answer of can I write a story that? I would have loved as a young person that I think my kids would love right now, but that also still. Still is engaging rigorously with the Canon can I. is that a possibility? So that was kind of my mandate for myself. Can I write in a voice that feels super honest, but also really challenging notions of what American letters can do. I don't know it took a long time that was in two thousand twelve so clearly. It took me six years to try to figure out what. Could be so. The poet was over several years kind of constructed. What was your road like getting that published I mean I didn't know how to write a novel I had a lot of. Poems I had written a lot of poems that I perform, but I hadn't completed projects when I began the codex like forty pages and was like well. That's a book. and. And so I had to I had to depart. Teach myself. What is fiction net so i? Did Nanno Rimal, which is where with the fire on high in came out? That's the novel. That was published second book finished I I. Don't remember Battisti Novel. Did that in two thousand and thirteen thousand first project specifically wanted to do. Pros wanted to kind of well if I can teach myself to in a narrative prose, and maybe I can figure out the verse part, because part of it was I couldn't hold the story in my head, but if I can write it nearly another form. Maybe I can figure out how to shape this later on I wrote a fantasy novel, which was horrible, four hundred pages of this little which in New York who has to travel to the train with her grandmother? We would love though it was a great project for me I learned a lot. And I think I just needed to finish a couple of things he. Did it did it make it anywhere? And in two thousand sixteen returned back to the poet X. at that point I had two books under my belt. Bunch of different ideas on things I wanted to work on an ad. These forty pages and I decided I'm Gonna I'M GONNA. TRY TO FINISH IT AND SO I. Ready every single day for like two and a half months to complete that draft in out to some Betas readers. Since out to some friends at feed-back, the to this had been friendly with online that I met on twitter within a month she had taken me on as a client a month after that the book went to auction allow six days later, no or Wentzel. Wentzel, Harper and so it. I WANNA. Give the full story because I think sometimes people believe you just come out of nowhere in. It's like six years of quiet in the dark work that no one ever saw and then a trajectory that was very quick of thereafter, and so it's hard to answer like the Astros writing this thing because it's like well. What version! The effort, and what was the birth story of Clap when you land so caught when you land is I mean it's based on chew events. I was twelve years old Maybe I just heard thirteen. When you know flight eight, five seven fell in New, York City and it was two months in a day after the world, Trade Center tax and so being. An eighth grader New York in kind of reeling from this national tragedy, and then this this very communal tragedy where this plane full of Dominicans two hundred sixty passengers on that flight, ninety percent of whom were of Dominican descent, no crashes three minutes after being in the air, and the way that it completely just kind of rocked my community as just felt like everyone knew someone, there were vigils outside of people's households. There was a lot of questions. Like what does this mean? Is Terrorism storing here? And it also felt like once. It was determined that that it was highlight. Failure was a mechanical error. The pilot didn't know how to. Navigate one of the controls. It fell to the wayside. Anymore because nothing you know, it was just an error. Someone messed up. I just remember kind of that feeling of the juxtaposition of nine eleven, which I would never take away from that tragedy was but the way we had guidance counselors in the schools is way that people super-sensitive the way that teachers were bringing it up in every single class and trying to create this face to speak in a school with so many Dominican children has a flight where the entire Dominican community in New York is affected by in some extent and. And there's not one grief counselor. There's not one person asking if we're okay, there's no one checking on the neighborhood or the community members, or what does it mean to lose that many people that quickly so the story kind of came from the questions of like what does it mean to be important only to yourself what does that? What does that look like and still I I've always just been circling this. I've done a lot of research the the the. Cock nine became came from reading up on some of the people who had been on that flight in some of this week's that came out later. So then this question of what is the dignity of debt was something that was circling anyhow. I got a lot of things. It's like ten years to figure this out and I've loved the phrase clap when you land dominicans a when we land in it's popular in the Caribbean. It's popular Latin America the joy, the acceleration of like we made it. We're here and also like we're on this metal thing that's in the air that at any point could probably faulk and I think a lot of. Of carry that there's a lot of fearfulness still in the traveling back and forth between the Dominican Republic in the United, states and so the title kind of arrived long before the story, but I knew I wanted to capture that relief that miracle, but also those fear that exists flying. We are both saying that It changed our perspective on the the phrase clap when you land because like in the past book. Why is everyone clapping and this like? It was so joyful that they made it after you know it was. It was the first time on an airplane and you know. They lost her father on on a plane, so I don't know. Something that Becca and I both loved with this book was that after a couple of chapters we didn't even need to look and see like which sister was speaking and I. Think we're really curious about how you went. About developing their voices was one of them based on you. Oh, I appreciate this question, grades I people have a lot of feelings about the dual narratives, and whether they think it works or not trying to be really thoughtful around. How can I give enough cues to the reader? That I'm not going to constantly be interrupting? You didn't want it to be super loud at the top of the page I this mean. Fell clumsy in what I hope was an overlap in entangling of stories. I didn't want it to be too easy. These are still girls that were raised by a parent who would've offered them something that they might match onto right, so they have similarities but Camino speaks in longer sentences sheaves intersex choose. Someone who has a lot more. Than you hire us. When I was thinking of her. I'm thinking of my cousins and my family members and DR and the quick phrases they use the observations. They make base awful where they live in what they know, so you'll see that. Amino has a lot of references to the ocean water to to San Islands to what it would disconnect being being surrounded by water. Right like that is her kind of basis of language. Experience you hire has a lot more concrete a lot more short sentences right more. New York's the cotto very click and so I I wanted to be really thoughtful about the distinction between how their voices come through being in the. The sentence being in the grammar beating the shortness of lines feeding the line breaks that each sister would make, but I did write the book entirely you high risk perspective long before I realized Amino, would story and so it is important to note that part of the construction of this novel was completed in one voice in the going back in feeling something in giving them the Camino, or are really chiseling that voice to be sharper once I realized there was gonna be a contrast, so there's a lot of voice work that I had to do to feel like this was ready, and let's talk about writing and pros vs writing in verse this Book Is. Think less fewer words on a word count basis, but wasn't more effort to write this, or how did it come out of you? Every book is hard I waiting for the day when I'm like I've arrived. I've got this like. There's a machine in my like. The project every project and maybe it's because I'm choosing to do that right, but the next was kind of. Can I hold three hundred sixty eight agents of poetry in my head, and the answer was no right. I had sue gets to draft like four five before I could fold flat because I couldn't always remember like. How did this extended metaphor work in the beginning? I will be going back to see. How could fully you later or I? I would forget I would be right in realize. Oh, the best friend hasn't appeared fifteen pages because it's not the traditional storytelling so much of it is for had. And I thought pros would be so much easier, right? I'm like okay I'm scared of sentences that I'm going to figure this out so I started with fire on high, and you see that it's kind of short prose. Almost prose poems like this little two page chapters, because a part of my training as a poet is driven. And so it was hard to break myself out of bad habit of. Sticking inferiority already. Yeah, like no way plot Liz. You can't just have these girls feeling for fifteen. which in he can get away with just like? You know contemplation and I think I did it improper newland. She has this long section about her girlfriend. This is the hiring that she comes back and it's like I'm saying all of this I don't have to say my father's Day. I can allow myself the room to really look away and then comeback. Some pros in. It heals clumsier to do that both ahead to teach self flight more seamless ways to kind of create those hinges. Yeah, but that was difficult, and then I came back to versus Portugal. Thing I got this and decided to dual narrative. How do you create distinct voices when I have a very clear poetic? Yeah I which I think. It's back to your question. Greece of either me I would say no neither one. There were questions that both sisters have that I've certainly had as a first generation, Dominican? There are a lot of questions I've had been terms of life. What does it mean to be long were next. Feel like I am nowhere empowers the inbetween US face. A lot of us. Occupied is its own place like this. This is where I belong in this in between, and that's okay, right Higher kind of working through some of those questions where my family my younger self, but getting the voice was tough. Ham Agean you did it so although my editor helps, it's not I'm going to say it's helpful to have someone who knows your voice again. Kind of be like this is you like this is not as kid, and so I can reshape. Yeah, now switching gears little bit. We're in the middle of EPA pandemic personal. How are you doing during all this? I'll do you know it feels? It feels like something new is being thrown at us. Every every day. I kinda wakeup like let's see what today's be in, so it's been hard right emotionally it just it's been exhausting to have to. Keep reinventing the self. I need to be in order to be okay. Like I think I have a hand too long, and then it's like. Oh, no, this self I have to be has to be outraged. The sulfide I need to be. Today has to be reading every newspaper. The Self I need to be has to be you know fundraising for. Protesters it's such a strange thing to have to keep that. Be Not for what you and your family need, and so I'm I'm all right. And how has it been promoting a book like in the middle of all this like having to be self promotional, and you know, get get your baby out into the world i. also feel like with bucks so much of it is in person. It's like events, book, stores and conferences, and like more than maybe other industries like promoting a book is very a in person. Yeah, I mean I laugh because I don't I don't roll with the punches also. Last week and I said that phrase and she started laughing because she's like. No, you do not. That's not. Happy like I have very I. I like I. Don't know I I- manacle ons ideas in like this is how I imagine you and I think part of me has convinced myself that it when I'm visioned things and we'll go gun co- and that's how I make sure it happens, but you know then a pandemic occurs, and so I had a two week tour in the US a two week tour. In the UK, had no a lot of promotion that would have required in I and type things. Things and in March. The UK called off their tour. I, they were like we're not doing it. And Harper came a week later, and it was crushing a little bit I mean partly because I think I add convinced myself that if I was in out there, I couldn't succeed like that so much of a book. Doing well is because I've always toward I've always been at the forefront, I've is pushed meeting hard. I feel like you're not kind of grab the baton from my publishers and like around. Sort of thousands of people do everything I can and so for someone who hates skype in hated. Any type of virtual visit prior to this I I could not fathom how I was going to be able to engage in especially at the time. We had no idea what we were even talking about. Why books are people even interested in literature? This wonder schools doing hotline. We didn't know this is six weeks out right. I had I was apart of Phoenix. I must burn, which is an anthology that came out by the treats cobbler, which is all about? Black women writing fantasy inside five, but writing joy bracelets, all these black stories of of that end up was joyfulness, or triumph, and babble came out the week that DC declared stay at home order, so my last event was promoting that book with Patrice called Waddell. Bookstore and we're like we're not touching. Anybody were not hugging. We're not shaking hands like we. We pre signed everything so we wouldn't have to even like. It already felt weird and a week. Later I'm like wait. Can I just do that like. Even that is better than nothing. But that book was pushed to the wayside because there was so much happening, the initial fear of here's the thing I've been working on since. Two thousand thirteen in its dental slot is gonNA flop because there's no way that we can all hold what it feels like. I'm what is a global crisis and also knows still consume art like this decision the point right now. It's not the point for me right now, trying to figure out how to get my mom groceries. You know new. York I'm not I'm not worried about doing an interview, and so it took a lot of Kinda retina reminds around okay. How can I be creative? Creative moment, how can I show up in this moment? How can I consider this book and what I do with this book? As an offering, people are tired. People don't want to focus on the Pentacle Day. Like can I use the book as a way to bring joy, or to at least change the direction of the narrative and a book about Greece in a moment where a lot of people are leaving. Maybe you don't hit the maybe a wall, and so there were a lot of questions, but ultimately I think it was my online community that got me excited again. It was the folks on. INSTAGRAM and twitter people. Send me emails. Who are like I? I ordered I can't wait, or this is the thing I'm looking forward to it I haven't done anything as six weeks. I'm not spending money, but like this book and I think for me. It kind of reinvigorated me in what a This kind of conversation that happens I've been invited more book clubs with this novel than any other book I think it's partly because a lot of people are participating in book comes a lot of people are home in their reading, and so I I wouldn't change a thing, and we talked about potentially pushing the book to the fall and given what we all know about the state of the world right now like I'm so. So glad we we just we stuck with a plan and trusted that readers would show up I feel like this was such a good escape I personally had a really hard time reading specifically in March, and at the very beginning, but now I really found books to be such an escape and especially books that have a travel element like this does, or you know give me perspective into somebody else's life that is not my own does not have to do with the pandemic or politics or anything like that so I found the sweet like such an amazing reprieve, and especially the beauty of the of the writing was like so transport of it really was. That and maybe I need to take that suggestion in the initially I, was able to read a lot of romance novels, which isn't unusual for me I, realise. Anyway. But I love the hopefulness. Here's the comfort like I know what I'm going to get and that I needed that, and then it became difficult I got really mad at Romance Office you don't understand. You're not wearing a mask. I'm talking Torian. Region. was that I can't see my mom. Until I realized I needed something maybe contemporary for maybe travel, maybe something contemporary, but that's that's a way. A little bit might be what I need to do. You have to read the idea of you, so it's about it's the best escape like anyone who DMZ during the pandemic. We've been like read. This bucket will is like a book. Yes, it will give you such a nice escape. It's about Basically a forty year old. There has an affair with a thinly veiled Harry styles, but the writing of the book is actually beautiful, and it's really smart, and it's just wonderful. Okay, it's definitely my favorite recent romance. Yeah, it's a good escape. Yeah, but we also want to talk about with the fire on high. Lead to the party I didn't read it until last year, but I loved it. I'm and one of the questions that somebody came out last year. I was a year late to it for some reason. Book a year so I've only I mean two and a half years ago. I was on time for the Bernie. You were you were? But I wanted to. Somebody asked questions about the food and the book because food is such a central. Part of that book, and did you have to do research for that or do you cook? Was this from your family and your heritage? Like? How did the? How did that work with that novel? I do cook and I enjoy cooking. I didn't start cooking until later. My mom is an amazing cook. And she was not someone on I was GONNA compete with when I was younger, so I would bake, but I wasn't competing with like what she she and then I went to college in in I. Just really enjoyed the kitchen. Kitchen since I was a kid but I just love discovery. I love putting flavors together I. Look figuring things out and so a lot of Iman as kind of one in a fused thing. I wanted to remake food. I think that's very much my coming from me. and my mom is incredible. Ed Cooks vary I wouldn't say global cuisine, but more than like my other aunts cooks widely in terms of Latin, American cuisine, and worked specifically as a like nanny housekeeper Rico. She had to cook for the family that she. She worked for so a lot of the dishes I grew up with were Puerto Rican dishes because of what she had learned to cook in the legal, but we're not Puerto Rican and so there was. There were some dishes in the book that my mom made the liquor. Recipe is my mom's stimulate recipe, and you know Dominicans also make Mongolia phone when anything with flat panels any planting dish in there. I probably can make on, and then there were things that I just I've had Puerto Rican restaurants or my husband's family is. Is from North Carolina and so when she brings in her north, Carolina routes I will be channeling some of his aunts. They're like what I've had at Thanksgiving or dishes that his dad makes but I kind of fused what I know what I love embarrassing things and this research, so it's a the recipes mixed. You made food fieldstone magic. In that book there is some kind of alchemy about just her experience, being in the kitchen and creating something that just felt like there was so much love and in the experience of cooking. I wanted to make the recipes almost like little poems. I can the poetics there these essays that seal motto rights, and it's a different format in. It's like how you get in her head with the fire on high for me. The recipes where those little moments of this is a different format, but he's trying to show you the steps for something more than just cooking. She's trying to show you the steps or how she kind of processes how she gets you. Whatever emotional reality she's living so whether that's senior virginity and then having to eat sweet plantains, because there's something about the families ation in the bitterness there that matters or whether. Graham our aunt censor recipe issues like all right I. Can I can flip this that I feel for loss in my quip that in I mean it's definitely a call water for chocolate. Right with fire on high is in that in that scheme. In conversation with, but I'm glad like the recipes I did. Yeah, you don't think you're gonNA. Write a sequel to the fire on high. We got a lot of readers at of Asas that. No I don't I don't find sequels for any of my books I think usually when I've ended it. It's because of that world is I'm OK closing the door on that world, but I am working on the screenplay on me. Just add I was optioned last summer, and so I think there will be new elements I can bring in certain things I can see out and so for me. It feels like I'm writing or stretching that story we'll see. ECHO exciting. I can't wait. Is it being adapted for TV or movie as it right now? I'm writing it as a film. Okay, amazing there. Yeah, and I mean that's what the producers that will deliver all in a court would still. A feature Phil. I can't wait. Can we move into some reading? Recommendation Questions for sure I'm curious. What other WII titles would you recommend that feature, black or people of color characters I love to see that Ireland's dread nation series, and so it set after the civil war where these black girls who have been trained to kill zombies. The zombies are typically like soldiers who were killed in battle. Who are rising back up and I think it's such a smart take at essentially giving the state of the world today on like what happens when you have not actually buried things, hockey, you and fairly dreads now and right now because all. There are very few books I've ever wanted to plagiarize with dread nationless one of them. I just thought it's. It's so smart. Ended sharpened I mean it's the walking dead needs like that sounds incredible. Yeah, it's it's great I. Think I. Think the scene is really cool with how she approaches fantasy and specifically race in fantasy I, love Lamar Giles, and he came out with a book, called not so pure and simple, which is kind of about toxic masculinity, or like how young men especially young men of color learn. Perform Boyhood, and what is cassidy? So he takes a chat Salas. Young man is at shirt. He loves this girl. He takes chastity pledge accidentally. Like get closer to this girl and then there are lots of hijinks, but some really important questions around live consent and conversations I. Don't think we have with men and nodded. Inserting community for those are two that I. Think are an anything by MEG. Medina magazine Oh. Hi, Medina is a g. she won the newbery last year. for mercy swatters. She Road Jackdaw to kick your ass. She row, Burn Baby Burn, which is historical fiction. Written in the nineteen seventies, I mean she's just she to me has one of the best ears why a in terms of capturing voice amazed just so sharp, so those are my three. I haven't read any of those I'm relaxed. I did to check those out. Okay, also now. What is your favorite underappreciated novel? I love this question. It came from reader a listener I always love an under the radar because I feeling, there are certain books that get the hype, and then like I love discovering one that somebody's like. This is my favorite book notice. This question like stumped me. Audited Muslim society. I don't know I mean it would probably be an misses a hard one, because I think poets, no list, but I want war non poets to read this collection when my brother was in acts. Natalie Diaz, which is not only the as his first poetry collection, and it's about her brother returns from war and has. Issues with repeat able to cognitively process that he's back, but the way that she goes into Aztec folklore, a native American folklore in order to talk about mental illness as someone who has a sibling that is mentally ill I just I I think. She opens up so many doors for how the fantastic. Ground to try to make sense of things that don't make sense or not make sense of things just accept that they are fantastical right, but I I mean this is a book. I recommend across the board to anyone, and if you are not a poetry reader, urge you to still try because I think she's one of the smartest writers amazing. That wasn't on my radar, so. So I'll definitely check out We talked a little bit about your quarantine reading, but do you have a recommendation with the best book that you've read during quarantine the past? The best book is part of the book. I'm reading right now, but it's so hard to get through right now. I would decide it while my husband and I have a two person book club. cutest theory except he's a real big nonfiction person. I'm clearly more of a fiction person, so we try to find happy medium at the beginning of. Like short stories. This is great because we'll be able to read really quickly and we don't have to commit too much. Attention Spans on everywhere as I recommended Friday night by nine o'clock. At a this is a book entirely about short stories around like real justice in like socio economic disparity. This was great in March has been much harder to get through once we got to me. And, so I slowly been jumping back in depending on where my energy that, but he his writing, he was named top ten. Of the thirty he was pen faulkner. Urban America like I want a ton of awards for that book, but but it's a I think a masterful short story collection I think short stories are probably one of the hardest forms to do. Well I will say. Bring down. The Duke was my favorite romance novel. That one that's on my shelf I haven't read it yet. It's so cute. I was a little overdue. 'cause I do a lot of Dukes but I that one I don't know, but it's really sharp, and it's. It's a different approach on like the suffrage jet moves man. It's a different approach on like how parliament works in trying to bring women's vote in Britain. I thought it was the history of it. I loved Russians break. The rake is by scarlet. Scarlet pack was also very much a women's Liberation Romance novels set in the eighteen hundreds in. That's mostly what I read when I read romances historical, but bringing down the duke and the rapist either sought were doing some really interesting kind of radical. Thing's amazing, so I feel like we have to ask you this. Because you mostly right, why or at least to date you have? What were some of your favorite books? Growing up oh man. I was so. So lucky, I was a voracious reader and taken to the lab related had some great teachers because of Winn Dixie was a book that really meant a lots me when I was a kid. I. Love Charlotte's Web. I'm trying to think I you know how on. Mango Street was maybe one of the first books that I saw a lot. Next character depicted in that way I never been to Chicago. I've never heard of a Chicano like I didn't know these. These terms, but I remember reading that book and be like Oh but I know this kid and I know this community, and so I, remember eighth grade. Be Like! Wow, this kind of book can be read by the entire class that in a lot to me that that was text I think Jacqueline Woodson is one of the best living writers we have in I'm lucky enough to have been beating her since middle school have a book called Miracle That. I just thought it was beautiful. And how it's affected, New York, but also lost characters lose their father and their Afro Latin next character, so even that talking about blackness within the light American community at that we didn't sign, which was pretty rare handful. You should see this page of notes. That grace has that. She is like ran down on the books that she's going to buy after the. I send it to do this a lot. Usually we would. We women's is back in I or somebody at the table I'll have my Amazon directly up, but right now I have our list and zoom, so I can't put up to. So, it's pen and paper. I! Hear you and if you're in New, York I highly recommend word of bookstore. They've been doing some amazing campaigning in Law Independent Co op bookstore, so community owns up in Washington, only supercooled. Really I've been shopping a ton of the bar I. Love the Bar. I love the phone line. It wasn't on my radar and I'm so excited to go there in person wants, things are open and safe again. It sounds like notable. Ano- all Santos I think is. Really great I think through like. How do I engage the community in in this store? Like this like that store is a it is a community gem. People Rally around that store in a way that you see me like smiling like getting. I mean it was crowd source funded by people realize the Bronx deserves bookstore, and so just at the level of how many people stood behind it in are still rallying behind it I'm so glad you've been supported. Yeah Guess Noel Sanchez at the Bar. Can we switch gears a little bit and talk about the publishing paid me. Hashtag slashed the broader movement around sure, so we were both just so shocked about the numbers being thrown around specifically the one that really got me was Roxanne Gay's because Oh, my God I know I just I. Think of Roxanne, Gay's such a household name and such like at the top of her game and. And, to see some of the numbers that she got paid, even after she was in my opinion, well known was just like show shocking, but we wanted to hear your thoughts like. Were you surprised? Were you like this has been a long time coming? What did you think about when you were reading again? All of the above I think there was a part of me. That's like. If you're in the niche, you have an idea of the discrepancies. You kind of here. You know people. The kinds of numbers get synopsis versus someone WHO's working on a trilogy, and what they might be getting their whispers, but I think to see it so baldly. Put forward was was surely something in for me? It was jasmine ward like to consider that one of the best American. Writers Theory won a National Book Award and still had to fight to. To get the number, you know what I mean and not that it's not a big number, but but I just I just know what industries paid for books. I cannot fathom her doing what she did when he to national. Book awards pretty much to back and Mike, still fighting to be recognized or be compensated for that kind of work I guess I, just I duNNo, and K Denison was one who, on dislike, she is legend likenesses, literally alleged and. I it was it was really flabbergasted. I haven't missed any too much on social media time on social media, because it's overwhelming, but I did scroll through a few of those in flabbergasted. Yeah, what do you think that needs to change in the publishing industry to get this big closed if if you have any suggestions for work? On your thought, I mean I have a lot of thoughts and one thing I I'm curious about whether or not the conversation will get. There is one around royalties because a lot of the conversation have been seen are about advances in really big advances right which I feel, it depends on the person, but if you get a really big advance in can't earn that out at least I have been told that the odds of being able to. To get another book with push is less right. Some of the numbers that we saw on that. Hashtag cruise that that's not true. Some people got big advances flopped and got bigger advances, but I think that one of the ways to potentially level the playing field is bring royalties into the conversation while often, if a lot of coalition, let's say will we just don't know if the book is going to be able to do what we think? Think it will, so we're only going to offer fifteen thousand. Give me twenty percent on royalties. You know like even this up and then if it doesn't do well like five didn't take the hit in terms of the advanced, but if it does well like I, get my cut at a larger base, but I feel like we see it in the music. Industry were seen it in force where athletes or musicians are really stepping up and saying. Saying, we are making the product we spend years making the product and we get ten percent of the products hands, so I think the advances conversation is important wants a half, because yeah, if you're working on a book, you need to be able to have a salary to support you in doing so, but I would urge that I think one of the ways to even it up is just really talking about the percentages that people get. So I guess another question. How can readers best support black and people of Color Authors outside of just? Buying their books like how do we impact the decisions that publishers are making as readers yeah I. Mean I think that there's there's a lot to be said for pre orders. Okay, I'll publishers take orders so seriously and there's. It's just such a big marker of like how they think book is GonNa do and how they're gonNA push book, so if you are excited about an author or someone that you liked their autobiography, you. And this is something I'm a failure. Ignore them then again. You know whatever? Lisa pies rice next, but I don't treat order, and so it's just an easy way often sometimes cheaper to just go ahead and order that in advance if you are someone who's into good me right like a review is great, but just putting something on your shelf that you know is coming out like that is something that agents and editors pay attention to in terms of like. How might be projected in so there are all these. These kinds of little litmus tests that people look at to know how much effort to actually put behind a book that are just easy things that folks can do. Leave a review. You know that's just I. I never leave reviews right, but it's something I've tried to be better. Even if it's just all right I'm GONNA put five-star like I'm not gonNA. Say anything but like I. Love this book I will let you know I. I love this book and these are like small things that we're looking at, but I will say that part of it is just be knowledgeable, bubble conversation, and so sometimes folks really WanNa. Talk about is or how what is the sensitivity reader or have these opinions that aren't always informed in the trajectory of conversation around diversity literature, and so that might be a good place to start, because it is easy to attacks in authors especially. Especially Black Authors and authors of Color for kinds of demands, big nate, if you are unsure of where those demands are coming from or the conversation fire to and I know a lot of us get those conversations by twitter or the roundup of articles that come out of few days later that Austin don't actually talk to black or or any other author of color, so I think we just need to be thoughtful about the discourse. And then just weird like the ten books that are on the New York Times list around nonfiction right now. Just like anti-racists books like read, fantasy read futuristic were read poetry read. You know historical like read. Ren- widely beyond just slight. I mean read how to be a better white person as well and those books that are going to kind of help those thinking, but what reading does is it? Lets you into the world in interior already in a lot of readers of color. Black Readers does have a lot of understanding of white women in Syria Orgy, because that is what we have been reading or ever, and the internal lives that we we have I think it is easier to make monstrous. A group of people who feel like don't don't have rich internal lives if it gets wise, students are so harsh the teachers because they don't think teachers as actual human beings outside of that room used to grocery store. You're like what is. And I think that sometimes that that is what it can feel like to be. A black person represents color in this country, which is just like we are not given the benefit of imagination, the suspect suspended. League that like we have these desires in hurts in i. like you know what I mean? It's often because the consumption around their lives are as characters, or or just tragic stories, and so I would I would tell white readers like how how are you actively challenging whatever preconceptions you have about a any group of people by reading widely from that group of people? Love that Elizabeth we have two questions so I down this interview. I wish we could just talk to you all afternoon. I been talking all day. I'm so sorry know we've loved it. That's the point of pot. That's interview. We're here to hear from you. Yeah, we didn't bring you on the talk. You want to hear from you. I don't have real cool workers this. A lot of the day like you may lean or does regain my husband with all the stories after he's done with his meeting or when I. Get a interview in the week like all of the. With me. It's not you. We're excited. Yeah, we're we. This has been a great interview, but Elizabeth Are you able to share anything about what is coming next? What your next book might I know? You're working on a screenplay, but. What about books. So, the secret knossos secret because I talked about it on twitter and instagram pretty often, but I'm working on an adult novel and that's really early in the works, but it's what I'm excited by now and I'm working on a poetry collection, and that's been done for a while now, so it's more just feeling whether or not. It's completed in what that might look like but there. There is a lot of writing that I'm hoping to do one thing that's been good. If that I'm not touring, so things are a little wider, so been able to sit for the first time in a long like three years quietly with my thoughts and take my time, so adult adult novel will see. It's kind of in those stages where you're like. This is brilliant or really ought. I'm not entirely sure yet. I don't have the distance. But I think the poetry collection I've been holding onto for awhile, and it might be time at some point soon. world, but those are the two things that'll probably be arriving soon as There's a picture an illustrative while one that will be coming out in twenty twenty. One and I have a signed up to more. Why novels with Harpercollins? So there will be more children for Pencil. I'm so excited about all of the things you have in that. Yeah so the last question to end on a listener submitted this and they wanted to know what are some of the small things that are bringing you joy in your everyday life right now. I facetime my nieces everyday. They are four Arias four in Yaro turns three on July Fourth, and they have an ipod that they can kind of get facetime calls on, and it's hilarious because they'll want me to watch TV WITH THEM Not Me up on the on the couch and they're like we're watching bubble guppies audit there for an hour. Watching silently woke up is with them. This morning I got a picture of them with my mother-in-law, and they have put my mother in law like floor, instead a steady bear on top over or getting in trouble, because their mom is like. Why is Graham on the floor? Aren't you so they're learning the watching them. Learn like the the rules of communication in conversation, but they're just so cute I. Are you working Louis. Shock is working, so we call you my hours a little more flexible there, my joy, I just think there's something about just kids, and they get it, you know. We can't see you because we have to wear masks because we can't get sick like that. All of these things are right. Yes. You can't see me right now, so they are there. Such a joy I've been watching a lot more like I just random author talks. I accept the money periods at Keiser. Lay Layman's conversation that they had on zoom a few weeks ago and it was really an I'm watching this Dominican scholar WHO's going? Be Giving a talk this Friday I just. The access I have to some of my favorite writers has been incredible, and so I've been doing a lot of those. And making bread which felt like a thing is like Oh my God Arma lineas, during the are making bread but I like I told you I like to make when I was younger. I, now have all this time and so I've been perfecting a few recipes I have this artist inbred? Nice rate. This Kacha I'm doubt Ma, strawberry shortcake, third child like the biscuit fit so my bread game. is improving default artisan Brian on instagram? No I did Sally's Baking Addiction. You heard. He's his book and he's like this gorgeous man who makes bread, and I just love following him and all his recipes. Look. Brian. Just, in case, you're wanting more bread resource. Though. I don't know how long I'll be here and I haven't tried. That would do you see me? I'm taking off my my little bread. Our go I know everyone's on sour dough starter when I was used efficient, that's where I was gonNA. Move to, but my sister in law sent me a bag of these so. Working with artists in parliament Elizabeth. You offend such incredible guests. Can you tell everyone where they can find you on the Internet how they can support you Yeah we call this our desperation minute where we just ask people to do all the things, so we want okay. Ask Ask our audience what they can do for you. All of the things alright audience. Here's my desperation minute. This is what I am requesting. You can find me online on twitter and Graham my website, and it's all aggravated right website is. Is Awesome. DOT, com. This is my last name A. C. E. Z. O. W. R. I. T. E. S., and that's for instagram in sweater and the only thing that I will ask. Folks is to demand just this. The folks who murdered beyond a Taylor There's a couple of different ways that you can do that. You can give to the. The average Sun, which is trying to raise money to ensure that they can get all of the legal representation to actually go. After the police officers that murdered Taylor or you can give to the Louisville Defense Fund which is the fun behind folks who are protesting on the streets in Louisville. Kentucky and demanding that this be brought for teamer so right now I am. That is where my non gish energy is going in, so I think you know this young woman who was asleep in her Barrington shot eight times with a no knock warrant over a suspect that they already had in custody of just does not make sense so I hope folks will sound will be demanding. Justice will absolutely. Thank you for rain attention to that as part of your desperation minute and Thank you for joining us and being such a great guest and being so generous with your time I appreciate you obviously so climb. Do it was so fun so fun.

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