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"And so yeah, yeah, I don't want that critique to sound like I'm like, oh, you know, because people are imperfect, I guess we should just do away with it because, gosh, we could say that. I meant everything. People misunderstand their bibles. Therefore, no one read it. That's not good. But yeah, it's something I've seen. And I think it can lead to a lot of misconceptions from protestants. It poorly catechized Catholics are going around saying like, oh, I said by hail marys. Protestants are like, oh, there it is. We're spiced. It's like, okay guys, let's stop. Yeah, yeah, so I think it's a really good thing to point out. And I think it's something that I maybe in my life even had a misconception of at some point. Yeah, and I think as you mature in your face, that kind of can get right it. If you have a sincere, you know, like trying to grow in your face. But yeah, Catholics understand that because I've been said, it's been said to me before, like, well, it's okay if you go do this, 'cause you can tell you can just go to confession. No, that's not how that works. I am not going to take advantage of God's mercy because then I don't think I'm really receiving it. Well, so yeah. But I think that's so cool that we could actually in the middle of this podcast come to understand because I am only where you were talking about confession. I was like, oh, we have that too. We do agree on a lot of things. The mass, I didn't realize Luther's lutherans and anglicans also had a very similar thing that we have on our mass. And presbyterians to I know, so I used to there was a Presbyterian Church in Chicago that I used to go to quite often. And that was something I really loved about their service was like the congregational, like the priest, you know, getting up and saying, we have seen, you know, in the congregation repeating the liturgy.
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"You're like, oh, I forgive. I want to be forgiven. But perfect contrition is not only that, not wanting to go to hell. But wanting to be in heaven with Christ. Wanting to be with Christ, which is why you try to not sin. And having sincere sorrow that you hurt the heart, the sacred heart of Jesus in your sitting. Which is another crazy, beautiful thing about God, that he loves us so much that we can hurt him when we sit, but he like cares that much. Yeah. Which, yeah, we kind of get up on a tangent, but I just like, I got to tears a couple times just on his podcast, just thinking about God's mercy and that he allows us, gives us that gives us that free will that we can hurt him, but only so that we can in full love choose to accept him. And that we can, it's not real love to say these people are going to follow me. I'm going to make them so that they follow me. Like, no, we actually gives us a will that we can deny him and hurt him. But that's because it's even more beautiful when we choose him and he can give us that mercy. The mercy of God is just insane to me. And sometimes when I really think about it, that's why I love confession so much as it's like, oh, like I send again, I'm so sorry, but when I go, it's just like that over pouring that grace from God. And that mercy. It just brings me to tears. And I'm like, I just did this again and God is ready there to forgive me. It's just crazy to me. Yeah. Yeah, I don't understand how the person of Jesus is just so beautiful to me. And as I was doing this, getting ready for this podcast and going through the sacrament of confession and just like the mercy of God and how he feels about us. I was just like, I was in tears. It was just like the person of Jesus is so beautiful and God's mercy is so insane and I just don't know how we're not worthy of this and sometimes somehow he just gives it all to us. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's a balance between understanding my sin is so horrible. It put Jesus on the cross. And also understanding that in the eyes of God, he sees Jesus and that I am redeemed. Yes. It's like that constant balance of a sorrow and disgust and grief over my sin. And a piece in knowing how forgiven and loved and cleansed, I am in Jesus. It's like we talked about in our episode about struggling with sexual sin and addiction, which you guys definitely watch if you haven't, but that difference between guilt and shame, like we should have sorrow and guilt for our sins, but also recognizing that through our baptism, like God has made us his children and that we God loves us so dearly and that it's not like the person of us is disgusting and.
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"Yeah, I think that is a beautiful part of the sacrament of confession is that sealed the confession, which a lot of people, when they're trying to attack the Catholic Church or attack. And this is not normally from protestants. This is normally from non believers and just in general that don't care about Jesus or yeah. It's normally attacking the Catholic Church because the priests can not say anything. Even if this is a very unlikely situation to happen because why is someone going to show up into a confessional and be like, I'm going to go murder someone. They're coming to confession to be forgiven. Like it's something they've already done. That's not which also is a misconception that we see in the media about when someone will go say something like this. But the protection that someone needs to have in confession, like that's someone's soul and some people might not go to. We believe it's essential if someone's gonna make a mortal sin for them to go to confession. And if someone's not comfortable, that that could be spread around, like that could put their soul in jeopardy. Like it's important for that to be a private. Sacred place for you to go to God, because like I said, it's not about the priest. The priest should not be out blabbing about what he heard in that confessional. Yeah, so that should be very, that's something that, yeah, it's a very sacred sacred place. And that's why the priests can not say anything. And it's very, it does not happen that someone comes in and says something like I'm going to go, you know, and of course the priest has to encourage that person, like a part of confession if someone has done something like steel or murder, like a part of them actually having true contrition and penance would be to go turn themselves in. And that's what the priest will call them to. Like penance is not just go do this. If it's something serious like that, look, you need to make reparations. You need to go and for your sin. So of course the priest will encourage that. But that's a different topic. I also wanted to hit on where sometimes, you know, other humans can make you feel ashamed for your sin, or put you in a place where they're tearing you down or eating at you. And anywhere that we have humans doing God's work, whether that's in a Protestant or a Catholic context, like it's gonna, it's not gonna be perfect because we're not perfect and even though there are times when you enter into the conventional and a priest can speak to you in a very can cause shame in you and not give a good confession. And I just want to say to people that have gone to something like that where the priest has made them feel ashamed that the beauty of the sacrament is that it doesn't really matter what that priest says, the fact that through the power of crises giving you the absolution, like you're still forgiven, but it can be, you know, that happens in Catholic context too, unfortunately. Even in the sacrament of confession where it's not going to be a bunch of people publicly shaming you. But I just a personal story. I've had a couple times where I've had some bad priests give bad advice or say things that were just not. They were imperfectly delivering the word of God. They were, you know, because it's just how it is when humans are doing things. I didn't negate the power of the sacrament, of course. But yeah, I went in and I kind of said like my last confession was like a day ago or two days ago. And maybe I was being scrupulous and going again, but I wanted to go again. I was like, I feel like I need to go. I want to go on the priest was like, wow, your back soon.
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"Yes. I also just wanted to point out that the sacrament of reconciliation is also some different names for it is the sacrament of conversion, the sacrament of penance, of confession, of forgiveness, of reconciliation. So tied into confession is all of these things tied into it, it should be conversion. A point of conversion that you are converting back to God, you are further being sanctified you are further converting. Sacrament of penance, obviously, or college do penance, sacrament of you also confessing, but it's not just confessing. You're also sacrament forgiveness being forgiven and reconciliation. You're being reconciled with God and with the church. So I just want to say there's a lot of different aspects of confession. There's a lot to it. Another thing protestants will ask, which I think it comes down to some of our differences with justification. Is why do I need to go to confession when I've already been baptized? And because that's like that set me free from sin, that was right in my relationship with God. What Catholics we do believe that, but we also, because of what we believe about mortal sins that some sins can be deadly, which we find in James that James makes a distinction between deadly Simpsons or deadly some are not deadly. We would categorize those deadly sins as mortal sins, which I'm not going to get into how do you know as an immoral what is moral. Maybe we could do an episode on that, something more into that. We would see that that kind of like cuts us off from the grace of God, and we need to go to confession. To be put in right relationship with God. So, I mean, as Catholics, we don't think that justification is just that one, that's the initial justification is in your baptism. And technically, if you go on from your baptism to never commit any mortal sins, you never really need to go to confession. I mean, confession is a sacrament, a grace and the church, and it gives you grace so it's highly encouraged that even if you're just committing being Nielsen's, that you go to confession because it is all of those things. It's a sacrament of conversion. Of reconciliation forgiveness, all of these different things. It's a beautiful sacrament. But we would say that that's where the difference is, is that we do think there are sins that are deadly that we see pointed to in James that can cut you off from the grace of God. So that's when you would need to go to confession. It's kind of like not like a second baptism, it's not like it's not the same thing, but it's like extends from that sacrament of that grace that you receive in baptism. That's another difference that we have. And I think that that goes to back to that we believe there are mortal sins. Yeah, it all just kind of ties all the way through the threat of what we believe about. Priesthood and the setting of the church and justification. So that's kind of where that all kind of flows from each other. Yeah, so Megan, if you have any thoughts, just to clarify, 'cause I'm looking at our notes. Is it James or is it first John? It's John. You're right. I was thinking of James when I was thinking of when he said to call the presbyters and to be healed. Yes. So on first John, he makes that distinction between deadly
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"So he breathes on them. It's only through him and parting that authority. That's the word we like to use. They have the authority because God gave it to them and threw them, works the power of God. It's not their own power. So those are just a couple of the passages, we also see that Jesus says the son of man has authority on earth to forgive sins and exercises its divine power, your sins are forgiven. Further by virtue of his divine authority, we say he gives this power to man to exercise in his name, and that's from the catechism. We also look at James 5, which I know that any Protestant listening is going to have a different interpretation of this, but I'm just kind of tie in. This is in James 5 where Jesus says, is anyone actually this is James? He says, does anyone among you sick? He should summon the presbyters of the church, and they should pray over him in a anoint him with oil in the name of the lord. And the prayers of faith will save the sick person and the lord will raise him up. He is committed any sins he will be forgiven. Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another that you may be healed. The fervent prayer of a righteous person is very powerful. So I know that protestants will have this differently, which Meghan will bring up that there are ways of confession within the Protestant church that would go back to this scripture. But within the context of the whole Bible, we will tie it back to what Jesus said earlier. When he gave that power to the apostles, so we see a direct link. He's creating a direct link between for confessing your sins and then I'm also being forgiven. So it's within the context of all those passages this passage sits that we see Jesus setting up that the apostles will be able to forgive sins and that's who you would go to to be healed because ultimately the confession is also a sacrament of healing. So that was like, I don't know if you have anything you want to comment on before I get further into things about confession. I feel like there's just so much I could say because I think there's a lot of misconceptions about confession and also a lot of things that Catholics don't even know about it. Yeah, I think. It's interesting. I want to make sense that a lot of Catholic practice and doctrines sort of go back to just the ecclesial structure of the church itself, like it makes sense within the context of the Catholic Church and I think that's why there's a lot of talking past each other when it comes to Catholics and protestants because we're both coming at it with our experience, like what I'm used to. And so because I come from a different ecclesial structure. It doesn't make sense. I can be like, but you aren't going directly to God. You are going to appreciate that doesn't make any sense. And you're like, no, no, no, no, I am going to God. What? You know, and so I think it's important just once again, have these conversations with each other and to listen to the other person and be like, oh, right. It goes back to with a lot of these things like have a song section and just the way the church is structured.
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"Going to bring in scripture because a lot of times protests think that we don't care about scripture, but it's a great thing to go through the ten commandments. And the catechism actually lists out different sins that you might not think that connect those commandments that are sins, which I have found really helpful. So they talk about like, you think like murder, obviously there's like literally killing somebody, but they go in a different sense that like you could spiritually attack someone and try to kill them, or they kind of connect gossip and slander and things like that to different commandments that you wouldn't think about. And they kind of sort of ties to the gospels when Jesus is talking about you say, do not murder. I say if you hated someone, you've murdered them in your heart. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. And then, of course, just going back to scripture and looking at what Jesus says is a great way to examine your conscience because there's a lot of things that we don't think about and also it's Jesus himself saying it. So that's a good thing to listen to. Also going through the beatitudes. A lot of times there's like a written out examination of conscious based on all of these things that you can look up on the Internet or a lot of times when I've gone to confession. They have little pamphlets or like something on the wall that you can look through as you're waiting in line for confession that we'll show you exactly how to go to confession because maybe you're someone that fell away from the Catholic Church and hasn't been to confession in years. It's really cool. You can just show up and be in line and be like, oh, this is like what I do. So that's really nice. But it's really important to go through an examination of conscious, I myself have not always been the best about that because I'll have a sand where I'm like, I need to convince the specifics in. And then I go in. So I mean, it's not like those Sims won't be forgiven if you don't go through this whole process. Like whatever you bring to the lord, he's going and have perfect contrition. He will forgive you. Not even perfect, but just have contrition and sorrow. But that's a big part of before when you start confession. You go in, the priest will give you some kind of blessing. He'll start in prayer, the name of the father son, Holy Spirit. And then you say, bless me father, for I have sinned my last confession was, and you normally will say when your last confession was.
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"Hey, welcome back to let's talk about it with Jackie and Megan. Are we like to talk about things that are messy awkward hard or controversial and create a space for healing? Hey guys, very much requested that we talk about confession. This has been coming for a long time. Yeah, anytime we did like a poll, like what? Thing do you want us to argue about? It's like confession. Which is funny because I don't actually have like a super spicy opinion on. So I feel like that's going to disappoint people. I also feel like it goes like our theology surrounding confession are rooted also in our differences between archeology and beliefs with justification, which I think will both bring up. So we do have, we should link that Megan in the description because we do have an episode where we talked about justification, which our views were more similar than we thought, but there is a core difference that also ties into why Catholics believe that you need confession. So it all kind of just like stems from that belief. At least when I'm looking at it, and I'm like, oh, it kind of comes down to that core of things. Which I feel like we've found with like a lot of things. It's like, it looks like there's like all these different differences, and then when you get down to the actual root of it, it's like really just comes back to that different view of, yeah, justification, which makes sense, 'cause that's sort of the core. Yeah. And it's kind of cool that we've come to more of an agreement on justification throughout history. That's one of the areas that we've seen more reconciliation and more of a coming to agreement. It's not totally too agreement, but it's like, oh, we actually believe very similar things about this. It's not as different because Catholics are not workspace. We don't think like you can just and then the stereotype, the protestants think like, oh, you can do whatever you want and be saved or like it's not the same. You know, it's not, so that's kind of cool. And I will say, once again, we shouldn't pit the worst of one to the best of the other. So it's like, are there Catholics out there who are misinformed and do sort of have like a workspace? Like faith. Of course. Are there protestants out there who are like abusing grace and they're like, whatever, I can do whatever I want because Jesus saved me absolutely. Let's not pit the worst.
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"I have found that I enjoy work. Now work can be defined in a lot of different ways where it could be working in our garden or taking care of our family. There are lots of things, but I like to acknowledge when I'm working, and I like to kind of plant it and do it as well as I can. And I find it satisfying to keep learning new things and trying new things. So for me, kind of pushing myself to keep exploring and keep learning and keep meeting people is important and so I approach it like I would early in my career. Well, I, for one, enjoyed your story. I know our listeners enjoyed your story as well. It's nice to hear some of the personal background of people that we associate as podcast hosts or other professionals at consultant or lawyer. It's nice to peel that back and see the real person in some of the things that motivated. So thank you for sharing all of this. And thank you, Tom for hosting today and thank you for keeping up the conversation to you and I have of it all these things we've been doing it for a long time and it's been lots of fun. Well, let me tell you, I've got many more things on the horizon, many more problems that will have to work through. So these conversations will be ongoing. I guarantee you. Wonderful, wonderful. Bye bye. Thanks, man. Today we listen to a personal story told by our host Beverly Jones. This podcast is produced by WWE public media. Adam riches are audio engineer. I'm your guest host, Tom Hudson. Today's tip is that you don't have to have a whole plan in order to make progress towards your vision. Just do one tiny little thing today and then tomorrow think up one more small action to move you in that direction. Thanks for listening to us. Please tell your Friends about jazzed about work and come back soon.
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"Of what the porch. It's not the porch of the church. It's not like on the word, whatever. You know what I mean? The front of the church where it steps and you can sit outside and you're going to stand there before you walk into the church. I don't know. But anyway, she just goes and sits there and I was like, she doesn't even know that inside is the presence of God. And I thought that was super cool and it led to an experience of her being able to talk to my spiritual director once because he was sitting out there and she was sitting out there crying and they ended up having like an hour long conversation about just, I don't even know exactly what. But I don't know. Yeah. So beauty definitely draws you to God. And different ways, not even just buildings, but like music and art. That is a huge way of, I think, that we know God exists. Shout out to Gavin's book about the existence. He talks a lot about how beauty points to God. Yeah, so Megan, that was your last thing. My last thing, I don't think I can really relate it to what we were just talking about. But it's a Protestant emphasis on the personal relationship with Jesus Christ himself. So we know the Trinity father son, Holy Spirit. And I just think, at least what I've experienced across Protestant denominations, there's such an emphasis to have a relationship with Jesus Christ himself, the one that came to the world and died for us..
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"Interesting. Yeah. All right, we've reached the last point. So number 5, I love the beauty of the Catholic Church. I think it's very apparent and obvious to anyone who interacts with a Catholic Church that it is just very beautiful. Just the way the buildings are built. And I think if you go into even the thinking behind, it's very intentional how the buildings are made. And that's something also in Greece that I learned about too with orthodoxy, just like why there's domes that are used, why paintings are on this wall. Just different stuff like that is so beautiful to me. And I think a lot of Protestant churches, once again, this is more like on the low church side, not for anglicans or lutherans or even like some presbyterians, but a lot of our churches don't have stained glass, or paintings, things like that. Like they're in old Walmart buildings, not that that's bad, but it's just like a total different design and feel. And I think there is a real value in a building having beauty because I think it just puts us more in the mindset that this is a sacred space. And sacred things happen here. And I remember when I was at moody, there was a conversation in a class once where people were talking about how no one would rob a Catholic Church because I feel like even a criminal would know when you walk in, like, oh, this is like, we're God is. You know? There's like a Protestant church. You're like, oh yeah, projector. I'll take that. Okay, camera, great, you know? It's just like it's different. And that's just something I really love and appreciate. And I think if more protestants could even visit Catholic services or things, that's something that you could take away from and really enjoy. Because beauty does speak to us, like we're human and beauty is important to us. Beauty has a way of pointing us towards our God who is beautiful. So yeah, I mean that was the entire idea behind why do you spend all these money on churches or why are they so? Extravagant and it's because when you walk in, you're supposed to supposed to be somehow a taste of heaven. And I really have experienced that in the churches here in Chicago. I'm so blessed that here there's just so many gorgeous, giant basilica, like just gorgeous churches where I can tell the difference between when I'm in a church, at least because there are some Catholic churches that are made more modern, especially. It's always my joke, like in the suburbs where there's this Catholic churches that are not made in the way they traditionally were made or were meant to look. And that might not affect some people, but I just feel the difference when I'm sitting there and then when I'm sitting in saint Mary of the angels here in Chicago, if you've ever seen it,.
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"Think not that there are protestants out there who don't know church history or where we've come from or tradition. There are definitely is. And I would say maybe some people traditions. But I think as a general stereotype, a lot of protestants just really don't know where the churches come from. Or even how we got the Bible. And I know because I went to Bible school and I was like the TA for all the little freshmen and it would rock their world when they discovered like, oh, the Bible didn't just come down from the sky. A completed in one piece, you know, or like, oh, like doctrines had to develop and that's like shaking, like super scary, because they just had never thought about it. And it was something that they just never talked about. It wasn't part of our church. It wasn't something we thought about. And so something I just really loved about Catholicism is the appreciation for the tradition, the teaching of tradition, through even feast days, and different events, just like very much having an emphasis on where we've come from. And I think that's really important. And I think that's something that there could be more retrieval in Protestantism for tradition. Yeah, because it's not like it's something that you're that you're denominations don't appreciate or look at, but as you said, it's just not the common thing that most people know. Whereas, yeah, I guess it is more integrated within. Yeah, more integrated daily life or daily practice of Catholicism in the mass and all of that. It's very clear that we see tradition all around us as we hopefully should, churches should show that because we are tradition and scripture are equal, so we better be respecting. And learning about tradition, yeah, that's really funny thinking that the Bible just came down from the sky, which right, because they're like, oh, it's inspired. It's voice of the lord. Word of God. And it's like, yeah, I'm sure if they really sat on a thought about it..
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"I think it's something that in the personal life and spiritual life of Catholics gets lost a lot of the time because there's such an emphasis on the sacraments where I don't think that's wrong. It's just such a huge part of the Catholic tradition, but I also think that the love of sacred scripture should be more introduced into that. So personal reading of the scripture, on your own, it's always a joke of like, yeah, Catholics we don't read our Bible. And I do, of course, there are Catholics that love sacred scripture and have a love for it, but I do think more often than not it really gets missed. So I think that's something I really appreciate about Protestant churches and just protestants that I've met as they seem to have a very sincere and deep love for the Bible and have it's more common for just a lay Protestant person to have really studied sacred scripture. Then it seems for a Catholic, I guess, which maybe that's just my own experience, but that's what I've seen. But yeah, I just love the love of sacred scripture and their emphasis that each Christian should have access to sacred scripture and be reading it and studying it on their own. And not making it their own, but really integrating it into their own lives. And yeah, I just remember when I first worked at MAS ministries, which maybe some of you know, but it was my first job out of college. And I was the only cast there. And I just remember my friend Hailey, who we've actually had on before. Oh yeah. Just saying, if I'm going to one of our clients said something about why you really love the Bible and she was like, well, if I'm going to base my whole life off of a book, I better know what it says and be reading it. And I don't know why that really, I just remember her saying that and that really stuck out to me and I know that I personally at the time was not reading the Bible on my own enough. Of course I would hear it in mass and then I would hear the priests sermon on it and teaching on it, but I was convicted that I needed to be reading it more. On my own. Because I do think, well, I think it's a really beautiful part of the Catholic faith as our devotions to different things. I do think sometimes we get, it gets lost, the importance to me reading sacred scripture on your own. So that's something that I really appreciate about the Protestant tradition. Yeah. I'm glad that's when you're experienced because it should be that way. That's our roots. Yeah. Cool. I think another thing I was thinking about when I was just reflecting on what I appreciate about Catholicism is actually something I've been thinking about recently is the practice of adoration. So obviously I don't hold to transubstantiation, and I don't believe in presence in the way the Catholic Church believes in the presence. But something recently I felt the lord was convicting me on is that I just, I don't spend time just sitting with Jesus. And just like resting with him and it's something that I've been trying to incorporate more and just like my daily spiritual life is just sitting with him and just like.
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"Hey guys, welcome back to let's talk about it. I'm Megan and I'm Jackie. And it's been a little bit hot minute since we've had an episode. It's been a little while. I got COVID, which I think we mentioned in our last episode, because I was stuck in my room. Yeah, we had to do it a little remote episode. And then, yeah, the holidays happened and life has just been kind of crazy, but hopefully we're back into it now. So thank you all for being patient. Yeah, we'll see. Keep recording regularly. No, yeah, we have ideas. And I think a lot of the content we're going to be focusing on is focused on ecumenicism and that's going to be what people enjoy. Each other's traditions. So that's what we're starting off with today, as you've probably seen by the title, is what we appreciate about each other's traditions. So as we have done a lot of episodes where we're kind of arguing or debating or talking about what we disagree with each other and those episodes are good, but I think what you miss is that there's a lot that we also appreciate about the other person's tradition and enjoy and like and see value in. So we also wanted to kind of do an episode highlighting that as well. Yeah. So Megan, do you want to start about all of the things that you love about Catholicism? Megan's first one is the Pope. The papacy. So it could actually in love with him. Yeah, it's actually not just the papacy itself. It's actually just.
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"I really think if you look at the history of this country, when things happen, the great politicians have an agenda that they're able to work with the other side. Otherwise, nothing more than an ID log. Spouting in your own self referential truths. It made me think as I was reading this, should Joe Biden do a trip across America? Because it seemed like that was a good idea at the time for Washington, and then you said later, I think it was Madison or James somebody one of the president Monroe, then copies this idea and does the same thing goes around. Now, of course, this is a different time. America is also a lot smaller, but has it occurred to you that maybe there's some there's something to be learned in the way that Washington sort of traveled the country and talked to people in different towns and stuff like that. Maybe there's something to be learned from that. Yeah, you know, in that I bet you refer to. I have no this whole attempt at infrastructure is a way to make all Americans feel included. Helped by government. Whether getting on the road, I don't know if that would, you know, work anymore. Just knowing how venomous. And how the one ends are so drawn. I'm not sure if you'd be able to achieve that. I mean, I remember Jimmy Carter was running for a second term as president. He went on a riverboat tour of Mississippi. The delta tweet and going right up the belt of the people he needed to win over. I will and all that. And he was the right, you know, that was the period of the killer rabbit, you know, attacking him. Yeah. Well, and it didn't help him. And so that makes me wonder, you know, and he was a southerner in the yeah. That's interesting. Well, what were you most surprised to learn about? You're a person that is probably knows more than most people about George Washington. You've written books, many books about the revolution. You obviously spent years thinking about George Washington and reading about George Washington. On this journey, were there any actual surprises you're like, I did not know that. Wow..
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"He was deeply disillusioned by it all. And it wasn't as if he was able to rise above the fray. He took sides with him. He did, you know, so not even Washington could bridge the partisan divide, but I think what would really trouble him today is he had spent 8 years establishing the legitimacy of a federal government. In which the people had to have faith in that government, not just one person, but in this government of laws, they had that fit was going to go on, and he helped establish that. During not only the operas, but on the road. What would trouble? I think our current attempts to undermine people's fee income that the claim is all a sham. Throw it out. It's not when I wore. Once you start monkeying were that, you're undercutting the whole premise of this country of people having faith in the rule of law. Once you throw that out the window, it's gone. And so I think that's trouble Washington. Well, the troubles, I think it troubles all of us. And I think also just the demagoguery, you know, we forget he came it was only a few years earlier that there was a king, you know, I mean, that was still fresh in their minds, what it's like to be under the control of a king. And I feel like there is a kind of return to that around the world. These authoritarian figures and demagogues often. I think he would be very worried. I'm going to just say it, you don't have to agree. You know, with somebody like a Trump because I think that's kind of the antithesis of what they were all about. Well, you know, I think launching in his stated his when he was exiting his farewell address he predicts. Where we are in Turkey, since this will get us in trouble, is if we have a leader who focuses on dividing us rather than bringing us together because then we'll create all sorts of opportunities for foreign nations to insert their influence, civility will be gone. I mean, he saw what is basically happened. And I think if you're an American, I don't care what side of the political fits you are. If you have respect for Washington, and respect for what he created, you have to question where we are headed right now. In terms of discourse, in terms of undermining every attempt to do something constructive. Yeah. But just for political gain to be absolutely Senegal. I mean, come on, and so quite government is here to help the American people not serve its own political so I would take it, you would be a federalist. Yes. I would have been a federalist right here. Yeah, I would have, but I mean, when I found amazing about Washington, yeah, he was a fit. But when Alexander Hamilton and Thomas Jefferson in his own camp are going at each other. Virtual combat because they are on the opposite ends of the political spectrum. He says, wait a minute guys. You know, whenever you stray that far from the opinion of someone you respect or at least should, you got to think maybe I've gone too far out on the edge maybe a middle course is the royal one. He sought compromise as an essential part of doing something constructive in government. I agree with that..
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"And this was not just any white horse, and huge wars. And he had white you whitened the horses for and the painter and the hood's black you know, just make that score. Stand out and keep right down Main Street under us a claim. And he wouldn't announce sometimes that he was coming or there would be no announcement, so suddenly he just show up in a town and people would be like running out of their farmhouses and being like, Washington's here. You know, it's like the element of surprise was there too. Yeah, yeah, particularly on the return we were from Portsmouth New Hampshire, New England tour. He had to get back. And so there was no advance, you know, no advance team fretting people. He just showed up, but, you know, I've got this one account of the kid who was with his father who was town reverend their shoveling the manure in the back of the house and someone was helping them looks up and says, my God, that's George Washington going vibes. And the father drops everything, runs into the house shaves. Where did the tavern were Washington just pulled up and his son Elias would remember this for the rest of his life and also be very bitter as far led him to a company to see the president. This is one of the greatest man about this. That would never be possible today. And there were two times in New England when it was getting dark. They show up, but the person in charge doesn't recognize the president of Yale University . In the United States. And since go away, go away. Oh my God. Well, we'd have to funny with another place to stay. This is like Rodney day care field. You get a combination. What's the different side of watching? This is Washington will trap. Yeah. Well, one of the places he travels is so interesting is when he goes to Long Island. Can you talk about that? That's something I had no idea and it seems like there's a movie there. I can't believe there's not a movie. Maybe there is. But anyway, talk. It's one of the more unusual tours. And it really doesn't make much sense for four days. He did a tour of just the western half of Long Island. And unlike all the others where every stop along the way was trumpeted in the press, you know, immense coverage. This was not a war, so what was going on? Well, during the revolution, there is something known as the culprit spidering. We've seen turn, you know, all about it, where it's fine. Documents, coded documents from British occupied New York to talk at New York about 50 miles out on the north shore of one island, where it would be met by a whaleboat at night sailed across the Fairfield Connecticut and then that's message to make its way to Washington. And the spies in vogue were called conspiring over their identities were known only to Washington and one of his operatives. No one else. Not even that family knew they had been spied. The fear was experiment, publicism should fail in the British end up being back in charge. You don't want to know.
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