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Drake New Song

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06:06 min | 2 months ago

Drake New Song

"Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the currently on podcast. Today is Thursday August the thirteenth two, thousand and twenty. It is currently seven forty six am central time. And I have right here in my hands some breaking news I have in my hands right now, some breaking news about some new music that will be dropped today at eleven pm Central Time or for others tomorrow at midnight. So depending on your time zone. Eleven PM Central Time Midnight New Music is coming and new music while obviously that I think is big enough that I've stopped everything I'm doing I've ran in here turned on the microphone and I wanNa tell you about it. Are you ready right here? I'm holding in my hands. Yes. I'm holding an IPAD. Okay. I don't have paper but I'm holding in my hands an IPAD. And guess what I know I know that eleven pm Central Time Midnight Drake. is going to drop a new single. Yes new. Music is coming from Drake. Tonight, at eleven pm central or midnight tomorrow or however you want to however whatever times. So you live in, it's coming new music by drake. Now, you may not be a drake fan but whether you're a drake fan or not a drake fan, we we have to acknowledge this when he drops new music, it's usually a big deal. It's usually very successful and usually a lot of people are talking about it. So Drake is dropping a new single. Here's what we know. Drake has shared a teaser that confirms a new single is arriving at midnight tonight. Now again, midnight for me eleven PM Central Time because I'm coming to you from Abilene Texas earlier this morning drake shared a teaser clip on instagram that sees him and another person cruising around on Jet Skis Drake hasn't revealed the title of the upcoming release. All right. So so we don't know the title of it. I can't give you the name of it, but we know that it's on its way. Although Drake hasn't released new music since his dark lane demo tapes in May he has been featured on numerous songs. And we know all the different ones agrees popstar. A lot of songs he's been featured on, but this is going to be a new single by drake dropping tonight or tomorrow morning at midnight. Again, you figure out which zone you live in. You already know that and. This is what will happen the second. The song drops the second Asong drops. I will place it on the currently on radar playlist, which is available on spotify that's the currently on radar playlist and the currently on radar playlist, which is also available on apple music. So the currently on radar playlist, that's the that's the playlist that shows you that tells you that you can see that you can listen to the music that's on my radar. And it's music that I believe needs to be on your radar. It's called the currently on radar playlist on spotify. It's on apple music like it subscribe at subscribe to it, follow it, and then you can keep up with all the music and it'll be right there waiting for you as soon as it drops or obviously you can. You don't even have to subscribe to our place it will be available on all the streaming services again. Eleven PM tonight or midnight depending on your time. So there you have it. Breaking News Drake. Is dropping a new single tonight. So, what do you think? What's your predictions? Do you think it's GonNa hit number one. Do you think it's going to be very good? Are you excited or have you been disappointed? Have you liked the songs that he's been featured on recently some of them have been very successful, right Popstar and Greece. Those those have been a very successful. Do you think this is going to be gigantic? Is it possible that drake comes in and stills the summer as the song of the Summer Kenny can even do that. At this point it's August thirteenth is, is that kind of that's already over a? Is this going to be the the song that really captures September October. What are we? What are we expecting which what's your thoughts? You can let me know give me your predictions news I. F at Yahoo Dot Com news I F at Yahoo Dot Com. That's news I F at Yahoo Dot Com when you hear your predictions for the new song by Drake. Dropping tonight eleven PM Central Time or tomorrow morning at midnight drake new single. It's on its way it's coming should be a fun night. So make sure you're awake make sure you're ready. Have some. Headphones on and let's listen to some new music that drops. There's GonNa be lots of new music. Obviously but drake right now is he's kind of he's going GonNa he's going to take he's going to still all of the attention he's he's GonNa Steal all of the conversation but we will see if we like it or if we hate it and we'll be obviously talking about it in the future drake is dropping a new single tonight eleven pm Central Time or tomorrow morning at midnight. Be. Ready. It'll be available on the currently on radar playlist and I'm looking forward to it I. I'm hoping not to be disappointed. Sometimes we get a news about a new song and then it comes out and we're kind of like. Well, we got excited about that. It didn't quite live up to it, but even if it doesn't live up to it, hey, it's. Always, find to be the first one to hear it. So I wanted you to know about it today. All right. I, end every broadcast the same way hey, life is short. Get out there and enjoy it. Don't waste a second and enjoy some new music tonight because it is new music day the best day of the week. All right everyone. Have a great one.

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Public Enemy What You Gonna Do When The Grid Goes Down

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40:26 min | 3 weeks ago

Public Enemy What You Gonna Do When The Grid Goes Down

"Good morning everyone and welcome to the currently on podcast. Today is Saturday September the twenty six two, thousand, twenty. It is currently ten thirty six am central time and I'm coming to you from a town no, no no. Not Atlanta. Sorry usher. No I'm not coming to you from that a town I'm not coming to you from the at l.. I'm coming to you from the AB L. do we call it the maybe we do I'm coming to you from the other a town the more. A town I'm coming to you from Abilene Texas? Yes Abilene Texas population one, hundred and seventeen, thousand, not million, one, hundred, and seventeen thousand. Located here in West Texas. Now yes I'm coming to you from Abilene. I'm coming to you from sometimes we call it the key city. I don't even know why we call it the key city, the AB L. Abilene Texas. And I know that this is probably a strange location for someone to turn on the microphone and to talk to you about the public enemy album. It probably I mean. A podcast originating from Abilene Texas I probably should turn on this microphone and talk to you about the latest country releases but I'm not here to talk about country. I'm here to talk about the new public enemy album and I think I'm going to offer a pretty unique perspective and we're going to take a very interesting journey. We're going to go back in time and work our way up to the new public enemy album but. Let's get some basic information out of the way. All right. Public enemy released their fifteenth studio. Album. this Friday yesterday September, the twenty fifth twenty twenty. The name of the game is what you're GonNa do when the grid goes down. What you're going to do when the grid goes down the fifteenth studio, album by public enemy, it is their first for the label since nineteen ninety eight, he's got game. So it's been a long time coming. But we have a new public enemy album and there's a lot happening in the world for public enemy. In fact, in some ways, it's almost like public enemy. It's almost like the world has caught up with public enemy because in many ways, public enemies been talking about a lot of the issues that everyone else is talking about four a very long time. But before we can talk about what you're GonNa do when the grid goes down before we can talk about the album. Obviously what you're going to do in the grid goes down that was released yesterday September the twenty fifth we have to take a trip back now we're going to stay right here in Abilene, Texas but we're GONNA, take a trip back. It was the year. What year was it was nineteen, Eighty, eight, nineteen, eighty-eight, a young kid. Was Walking around a target department store. Nineteen eighty-eight target. Was Walking around and that young kid was ultimately me. But I was walking around that night this target department store in nineteen, eighty eight and I saw. A cassette tape. Yes. A cassette. I. Some of you know I'm dating myself but I, mean, it's obviously nineteen eighty eight I see a cassette tape and on the cover of the you know on the tape. A C. Two individuals behind bars. And the title of the cassette. The title of the album is it takes a nation of millions to hold us back. It takes a nation of millions to hold us back and the name of the group is public enemy and they have like this target like it looks like someone looking through like a sniper rifle and a target over this individual The two individuals that are inside this gel once got a big clock around his neck, and I'm like, what is this? It takes a nation of millions to hold us back I'm like. What's all of this about I? I knew a little bit about public enemy. I didn't know a lot I mean obviously, there weren't being played on radio where I lived here in Abilene Texas. I nobody at school was talking about public enemy I. Probably the only way I'd even heard of them is because I was a huge music fan and my parents for some weird reason, a purchase me a subscription to billboard magazine which cost like hundreds of dollars a year because it was really designed for people who worked in the radio industry and my mom had worked a radio station. For a period of time and she kinda, she kinda fed my music of old. You say obsession she would purchase me imports from Europe way before they came to the United States of America, she got me to concerts and all kinds of different things. So I probably had read about public enemy I didn't know a lot about them but I saw the cassette tape and I'm like Ooh I I gotta go home and listen to this. So I you know I, put in the I put the cassette tape. Obviously, if you remember that album, it begins with countdown to Armageddon Kinda about a minute intro and then we get to the song bring the noise you you. You may know the song you may not know the song. And it starts off with a two black too strong your chuck. These honey dippers are still front on us. Show him that we can do this because we always knew this. Yeah. Boy Bass, how low can you go death row? What a brother know what's again a back is the incredible rhyme animal the uncountable d public enemy number one, five, O said freeze and I got numb. Can I tell him that I really never had a gun but it's the wax that Terminator Spun Now they got me in a cell because my record sell. Me Said Well Farrakhan's Prophet and I think you WanNa listen to what can he say to you? Okay. I could go on and on and on. I can obviously recite all all the lyrics. Okay. And pleased. I. Know I cannot wrap I know I cannot wrap but I you know turn it up bring the noise. Yeah I mean I just I mean I know the album I know the album I could go all day with the lyrics from the album. Man. Yeah Yeah. Never better than bad because the brother is madder than mad at the fact that is corrupt that that's corrupt like a senator soul on a roll but you treat like soap on a rope because the beats and the lines are so dope listen for lessons I'm saying okay I'm going to get carried away when it starts when I start reciting public enemy lyrics I can't stop I cannot stop. But at so I I took it, and soon as I started listening to this I was like Oh this is the most amazing thing ever, and obviously I mean, you have to remember. have. To remember this back you're looking for the same thing. It's a new thing. Check out this I bring. uh-huh the role below the level 'cause I'm living low next to the base come up, turn up the radio, the claiming I'm a criminal but now I wonder how some people never know. The enemy could be their friend Guardian, I'm not a hooligan I, the party clear all the madness. I'm not a racist preached to teach to all because they never had this number one not born to run about the gun I was I wasn't licensed to have won the minute. They see me fear me I'm the epitome of public enemy used abused without clues. Refuse to blow a fuse. They even had it on the news. Don't believe the hype. Don't believe the hype. Don't believe the hype and which became. A phrase I would use over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over everywhere I don't believe the hype. Teachers hated me they would say something I would say some smart Aleck comment from the back of the room. Don't believe the hype. You know we'd be in a class class assembly in the prints. Don't I would scream out don't believe high it. But but you're going to understand something here in just a minute. On and on and on and it was I mean I knew that album back and forth. But the album that really I think the album that really became where I I would. I would kind of class myself classify myself as a public enemy Fan. Was it the nineteen, Ninety, eight, nineteen, eighty, eight, album it takes a nation of millions to hold us back. and. Just make sure you know this the Yo bum rush a was it yo Yo yo bum rush the show album from one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, seven, I, believe i. I missed that one I don't know where I was. I was I was growing up in in Abilene Texas. I was growing up I mean well, actually to be honest and nineteen eighty I wasn't even living and. Abilene Texas I was living in Buffalo gap. Texas. Yeah Buffalo Gap Texas Population Two hundred and what sixty nine people in buffalo gap literally Buffalo Gap Texas and I was walking the streets of Buffalo Gap Texas with a giant giant boombox right playing public enemy right walking the streets and and chanting and screaming out public enemy lyrics. Okay. So yeah, I mean I you talk about not fitting. You talk about something that looked like I was like, Whoa, how did he end up here? Yes. But I but the album. that. Really and I was back in a target store. I. Don't know why always found public enemy. The target store I don't I. I spent a lot of time in music stores. But for some reason both public enemy albums were purchased a target department store. I don't even know why it was a target department store I rarely went to target I. Don't even know why it was there. But in both cases, this is where I found this fear of a black planet Oh man. Fear of black planet, you have to know the big hit from fear fear of the black plant hit me going going gone I. Dialed Nine, one one a long time ago. Don't you see how late they're reacting the only come they come when they WANNA so get the morgue truck and bomb the gonner they don't care because they stay paid anyway they treat they treat you like an ace they can't beat the TRAE I. Know US number with no use people if your life is on the line, then you're dead today. With the late coming stretcher, there's a body bag into skies y'all a Betcha I call them body snatchers because they come to fetch you with an autopsy ambulance ambulance just to Dissect Ya they are the Kings 'cause they swing amputation, lose your arms your legs. To the miscalculation I'm trying to remember to the miscalculation I can prove it to you watch the rotation it all adds up to an F. up situation and I know I'm not going exactly what the way the song goes, but so I think it's get up get get down. To, I remember get up get up get up get get down I. think that's how it went nine. One one is a joke Yo town get get up get down late nine one one where's the late crown right? So and a man I used to walk around those lyrics constantly constantly. With the public enemy lyrics. Time I could go on and on. Burn Hollywood Burn Oh man I was burn Hollywood burn. A power, to the People Burn Hollywood burn a smaller right going on I. Feel guilty. Now they're gone y'all check out a movie, but will take a black one to move me give me that h away from this tv all this news and views are beneath me. So all I hear about his shots, ringing out about gangs putting each other's head out. So I'd rather kick some slang out. All right FELLAS. Let's go hang out Hollywood or would they know make us all look bad like I know they had but some things I'll never forget you. So step and fetch this. For All the years we look like cloud the joke is over smelled the smoke from all around Burn Hollywood, Burn Burn Hollywood burn burn Hollywood, burn and. I I'm trying to think was it. I was at that song. Let me see I'm looking at the lyrics now I gotTa Look Lyrics here I. Think it was this song. This may be the lyric that I'm confusing with another public enemy song or. See here. Yeah it's not that song. There was another brothers, GonNa, work it out. Here. Yeah may not now maybe missing maybe confusing some lyrics up. I know what I'll do. Give me one second. because. I was a lyric that I obviously confused it with a another song. Give me one second. Because I know gotta find gotta find this lyric. I gotta find this lyric a gut to. A hoping you got the right arm I know it has to be that it's it's fight. The power has to be fight the power it has to be fight the power. See here. I knew it was on that album I knew it was on that album. See here. she. Is it. Yes I. See I think I'm founding it. See. No. Yes. No maybe not. Yes here ago, go. Okay, Elvis was a hero to most but he never met blank to me. You see I'm straight up racist see I'm straight up racist that sucker was simple plain blink and John Wayne because I'm black and I'm proud I'm ready and hyped plus I'm amped I. think that's how it went something along those lines. Yeah. That was from. That was from fight the power that's from fight the power, and in fact, go to I think I can pull up. Any see here, fight the power of fight the power. They're here we go. I'm going to pull up the lurks in a different location. Fight the power because I think I'm stating them incorrectly here fight the power. And and this is important to the whole story. Just stay with me fight the power, fight the power working hang on. I'm I'm scrolling down through here. Yeah. Here we go. The other one had had the lyrics written an incorrect way because I've heard the song bazillion times this album was so important to me. So. We gotta fight the powers that be Elvis was a hero to most but elvis was a hero Elvis was a hero to most but he elvis was a hero to most elvis was a hero to most but he never met blank to me as he straight out racist the Sucker was simple and plain mother f him and John Wayne? Because I'm black and I'm proud I'm ready I'm hype plus I'm amped. Most of my heroes don't appear on stamps sample a look back you look and find nothing but rednecks for four hundred years. If you check all right now there you have it. Now, those two albums were absolutely massively important to me at the age I was I was young when I when I listened to these two albums and and knew the lyrics to these two albums and cited the lyrics and and would. Say something I mean I mean this was this was a major major point in my in my life and and and and had a massive influence on me. These these these albums had a massive influence on me. And I spoke about them, you know all the time I talked about them all the time, and even after I got into the military I would walk around sight and public enemy lyrics. It was always funny now. Up to this point pretty much all the people I were around. Let's just let's just get it out of the way. I was white. I am white. Okay. I was I was the white kid wearing public enemy shirt citing public enemy lyrics. But here's the thing. Now once I got into the military and I was around people of other races and I would say public enemy lyrics they were always like how do you know public enemy? We are you from you where did you grow up away? How do you know public enemy? It was always like some weird thing that I knew public enemy lyrics and I'm like, no. There were very important to me, but here's the thing you have to understand when I was young and purchase these albums. I have to tell you this. I didn't the race part now I I. Know You're probably laughing how did you miss it? I just didn't get it. I didn't see it I didn't understand it and here's part of the reason why The way I grew up. I don't know I. was I was I don't know how old I was but for the very first time I heard the quote unquote the N. Word Right. And I I did not know how to process what it meant quite what what's this word so I went home and ask Mama Hey someone i. heard this remember where I heard the word what does the word and I said the word what does this word mean and my mom backhanded me knocked me halfway across the house. And I was like Whoa. What just happened to she's you never Ever utter that word under any circumstances that word is racist and she started telling me about racism racism was talk to me about Slavery Jim Crow Laws. Next thing you know she's handed me the book roots and telling me I have to read it, and then I started discovering about slavery and racism. But for my from my experience and you gotta understand my experience, I never really saw it here's part of the reason why there was a at one time the woman who watched me Kind of became like. My mom when my mom wasn't around, she was an African American woman I never gave it to thoughts that you know she's she's black and I'm I'm white where why never gave it? Any thought didn't Didn't bother me in any way shape or form I who cares then when I started hanging out at the REC center on the South side of Abilene Southside, which was predominantly the white part of town. My the person who I decided enter into the one on one basketball tournament for Abilene Texas right. And the first thing you had to do win the south side. Championship then you would go to the north side and compete for the citywide right. So I was on the South side competing on the South side tournament, right? Okay and I I won I won. Easily beat everyone on the south side that was beating the one one tournament had no problem beat everyone. But the person who was the coach for the REC Center for me? He was African. American I didn't give it any thought. I mean I hung out with him all the time at the REC center. He took us places never give it. Any thought that wait he's black on white like there was never any. I never heard anyone say any negative thing about his color never heard any nothing? That's nothing. So then he took me. To the north side and when I walked in the very first time I really felt the weight of race. I can say this is from my own little white world okay. I Walk into the gym. And I'm the only white person there everyone in the gym is African American I'm I'm I'm the I'm the white kid there every person I'm going to compete in the tournament they're all I'm the only white kid in the entire tournament. Now for for because it looks like the all the people who are competing all came from the not quote unquote the north side and and the city was very much kind of split this way or eight it really was at that time. and. So I'm like okay I. I was a little intimidating I. Felt I felt a little out of place. Just felt kind of weird like this isn't my world like A. World I got a few looks but no one really said much. It was a brand new gyms. I was a little intimidated and then I started competing in the tournament. Well, these kids were taller than me. There were far better basketball players than me and I started getting my butt kicked. But what was bizarre? Is that the people in the audience? started cheering for me. They were like so cool and respectful and nice and and got my butt kicked but I had many of the people there come and say thanks for I like. I got nothing but hospitality and welcome. It was like. So there's no, there was no issue. Then I as I got older, I spent pretty much every waking hour could in the club I bought music for the club learn how to mix for the club and I love to dance will at in Abilene area there was a night I think it was Thursday nights. That we that was referred to as the Black Knight Right. That's that's what was referred to, and basically you're told that hey, that that's the night we're gonNA play hip hop and R and B and really white people aren't really welcomed and I'm like what why why is the white? Personnel Don't understand why they're playing music I love music there's no music they're a play that I don't know I mean I probably own all the music they're gonNA play up probably help purchase the music for the club. Because they would give me the money to go purchase the music and let me pick out things and I picked out a Mo.. That was played on on those nights. So I, went. I'm like I'm not I'm not going to be. I. Don't understand saying someone can't go somewhere for for color I don't get it. So guess what I went. And I walked in and yeah I got a few comments. I got told you know back the back the crap. The far more explicit language than that basically go away. There was only a few of that and then I got on the floor I started dancing next thing you know boom. I'm where I'm right with them. I'm with the group and man, they're doing a choreography I'm Joe I catch onto it really quick I'm right with them. I'm elite at times I'm leading next thing I'm like welcomed there. No problem I'm white. Their. All Black. Who cares like, what? What difference does it make? What I'm trying to say from my perspective, I never really saw racism has an issue. So, when public enemy was talking about the things that we're talking about, I didn't always connect it to racism I connected it more. This is the way it was being processed in my head. Now, you gotta understand I was from a white world and I didn't understand some of the things that were for. Farrakhan was I had no idea who Farrakhan was. I didn't even know like some some of their lyrics even get please remember the year. I couldn't just google it I couldn't just say hey, Siri I couldn't say hey Google Hey Alexa there was no looking it up right so and I couldn't ask any of the kids hey, what does this lyric nobody nobody in my church are nobody church? No. No nobody in my church at the time when I went to at that time nobody in church what the public enemy was talking about nobody in my school knew what? What what was happening either nobody because they were listening to you know George Strait Hank Williams, junior I mean they were they were all basically quote unquote rednecks and I didn't know what they wouldn't have been able to help me so. I was just trying to figure it out. Here's how I interpreted. The public enemy lyrics here is how I interpreted them. I interpreted the public enemy lyrics as. US against them the them was the authority structure whether teachers you know bosses. It's US against them. It's it's the rich versus poor. It's the people with power for the people who don't have power and they're not going to tell us what to do and we're GONNA rise up going to take a nation of millions to hold me back. No one's going to I. Doubt Nine, one, one a long time ago although go to the rich person's house they're gonNA leave us to die like. It was it was viewed this as a struggle with authority not a struggle about racism when when he said always was a racist, you know mother of him and John Wayne I didn't get it. I didn't understand why Elvis was a racist I didn't really understand some of those lyrics I didn't really get and I didn't even know how to apply I loved walking around saying the lyrics because it sounded controversial. And rebellious, but I still processed. Oh, they're going against like everyone loves Elvis Will Blake Elvis everyone loves John Wayne, will, Blake, John Wayne. Whatever the the norm was, they were speaking out against the norm. Burn Hollywood Burn I. Didn't quite understand what they were referring to how African Americans had been portrayed in film I. Didn't I didn't catch the meaning it was just like, oh Hollywood doesn't understand us the average person. They don't get us like I felt like I was part of the struggle. Don't believe the hype. Yeah. I'm not going to believe the hype of what you tell me just because you tell me out this is the way we do things in school don't believe the hype. College don't believe the hype Oh this is what you know. I'm not gonNA listen to anyone I'm not gonNA listen to the politician I'm not listening to anyone and I that's how I internalized the public enemy message I didn't get it. I didn't understand it now when I got to when I was in the military. And I started meeting people obviously who are African American. Who came from a completely different perspective? Many of them started trying to explain. Some of the messages of public enemy's lyrics and we'll get it. I don't get it and what was bizarre in some cases they almost told me. In fact, some straight out there like I wasn't that I shouldn't be listening to public enemy that it wasn't made for me. That wasn't for me that it was for them. Not Me it was not my music. It was their music and I was like wait why how can music owned by a race? It's music. If you make music is for all people, I didn't get it and. I didn't understand it I started hearing some interviews chuck, D and some and I'm like, okay. I. Don't really some of their perspectives I didn't really get and I'm like well why I. Why I don't some things, I didn't get but those, but even though I didn't get some things that were saying or maybe in some cases, even not completely agree. There was still a fondness to those public enemy albums because it was like it to me, it spoke to a struggle with the power with the authority right and I, and those lyrics became a major part, a major part of my life, and they will always be a part of my life I can still recite most of them. I can't believe I messed up the Elvis and John Wayne that was one of my favorite lyrics. But for some reason I thought that was a part of the Burn Hollywood Burn Hollywood burn and not fight the power but. I'm mixed them all up but that's okay. It's been spent a lot of years since I've listened to all of those albums. And I do my podcast live. So there's no editing so that that's that's what happens. So but those those albums meant a lot to me. So when I got news that public enemy was releasing a new album, obviously a lot of nostalgia. Connection to it. A lot of okay. And a lot of like well, man the world now talking all bottle lot of race issues. The world is so divided and we got you know George Floyd and beyond a Taylor and all the different things that's happened and all the arguing and fighting and politically divisive and I'm a man public enemy like they step into twenty twenty. It's like well man they've been talking about these things for a long time. So how do they step in and approach it now? I was. I was excited but I was I hate to say this I was a little like, oh You know. What I mean. They've been saying this how how how, how can they step into twenty twenty now like what should they do? How should they address and everyone's going to have a their own opinion? I don't know what I was looking for. Here's a couple of things about the new album. I will say number one. Obviously they go after trump. Now to me, that's just seem so. That just seems. So late to the party, you know what Oh you're going after trump whoo hoo doesn't go after trump like like you know it's like that just seems so late to the party you know so late so very late it just seems like. So just predictable. Passe Cliche and I always felt that in a sense public enemy was out in front of everyone. This is not being out. This is like playing catch-up. Hey, everyone else has been bashing trump since two thousand sixteen we gotta get our shots in public enemy. No, you're. You're in front of everyone you're the leader you're not. You're not jumping on the on the bandwagon. So I'm not a fan of that. Now they don't really name trump by that. I don't think they actually state the name trump in the UM I don't think they do I don't believe they do. But I mean clearly the lyrics I mean I mean there's no question who they're referring to, and so that's a little bit like that was a little bit disappointing right I mean come on like why make it about trump make it about the issues make it about A. The. The ideologies, the thinking. I just think that they could have done it a little deeper, but but probably a good portion of their audience that expects them to bash the bad orangemen. Right? There's probably there's probably a part of the audience. That expects it in it. They didn't do it. There would be disappointed maybe but I just always felt that they were in front of everyone else. And this just feels like they're behind everyone else Aweso in the new album. You will hear clearly. Based on some of the rap cadence, some of the way the flows are delivered. Some of the instrumentation and beats that are used definitely has a major throwback vibe to previous public enemy. Now, here's the thing. Do you wanted them to evolve their style to kind of fit into the more modern rap sound or do you wanted to I wanted them definitely to keep a connection to the past. Two is today rely too much on that or is it a breath of fresh air? If you're tired of the modern, the modern vibe in rap if you're grown tired of that, it may be a fresh air I wanted them to kind of see I think in some cases they do try to maybe to bring the older style into a new I wanted them to see if they could evolve rap into a different direction like I didn't want them to rely so much on the old, I wanted to see where they could go. Into the future if that makes sense, let me pull up the I obviously I don't have any lyrics from the album. I don't have any of the of the. New Lyrics from the new album even par- partially a memorized at this point You've got a they start this one out like they've done other ones with that kind of a one minute thirty one second intro when the grid goes down free during George Clinton, there's a lot of interesting musical stuff going on track to is grid featuring Cypress Hill? Which is very interesting. You've got state of the Union. Okay you got see what are some other tracks? You GotTa Fight The power remix twenty twenty. Yeah. You can. You can. You can. We can talk about that. You've got a beat them all smashed the crowd featuring ice tea. Run DMC shows up on one of the tracks I. Think they show up on public enemy number one track five believed there on that one It's seventeen songs forty four minutes long. And I think the probably the two major issues I have is. The trump thing it just. Is. It is it in grid I think it's in grid we see here. Let me see here, I'm looking here through this. Is it was it maybe it isn't grid. Maybe. The third track. Grid Grid is actually got some interesting thing things. Okay. So I liked the song grid. It's got to be state of the Union. Makes the most sense state of the Union They don't have the lyrics for state of the Union I'm almost positive at state of the Union It may be state of the Union but you as you go through, you will notice that clearly there are some clear shots taken at at trump and it just seems to me a little like. I don't know and and I think musically, there is a lot of there's a lot of pulling from the past. There's no question you've got some of that style and and again, you can't expect Chuck d's Rap style to just magically change I wouldn't it to magically change. I think Chuck D is One of the greatest rappers of all time clearly in the top five in my opinion maybe in the top three, maybe the top four definitely he's there he's and public public enemy did. Come on they deserve all kinds of credit for what they were doing things that nobody else at least from my perspective nobody else was doing I mean it was just I Yeah I mean they to me changed a lot of things and they deserve a lot of credit. For the things they did and I just feel bad. I feel bad that in some cases maybe I think maybe as wraps moved on I don't know I don't know if they're ever. I think they deserve far more credit I. Mean, they probably get a lot of credit in some circles i. just feel like they deserve even more credit does that make sense I believe they deserve even more credit but but I'm going to have to stop here because I've already gone longer than I want. Here's what I will say public enemy. This. Deserves to be listened to because it's public enemy number one, it does number two you can. They're stepping into a lot of the issues happening in our world right now they address those issues but I mean. Why would you expect there were always addressing social issues. So of course, they're going to address social issues. I just I. Guess. I guess some of the things, some of the ways they address it I'm very impressed by, and then there are other times I'm Kinda like come on like I I just felt that they were. So ahead of everyone else and now it doesn't feel like they're ahead of everyone else now it just feels like. They're just with the noise like I wanted them to kind of offer something. Something that felt ahead of everyone it's like there's There's the mob there's there's there's the masses and they're yelling and screaming and burning and fighting rioting and all and everyone's upset and everyone's divided and I wanted public enemy to say, Hey, guys. We were way ahead of you. And the eighty S. Maybe, you should listen to us in the twenty twenties maybe maybe you should listen to us in two thousand twenty. And I don't feel like that. It's visionary enough. Maybe I'm asking too much maybe maybe and to be fair, maybe I need to give the album some more or less than I'm not saying I dislike it in any way shape or form, it needs to be listened to. I think I think it definitely does it sound like the rap of today and I think that's that that that's a breath of fresh air I. Don't know if they're going to. They're going to be instrumental in moving rap four band. It's been a you know a rap group that's been around as long as they have. Do you really expect them to change the game again? I I don't I don't think you can really expect them to change the game again who whereas rap going always the argument you know where where it's rap happening you know we had explosion of the soundcloud rappers mumble rap you know they IMO. Kind of rap you know you had that kind of. The IMO rap. Was, has been very popular. I don't know where the next wave where the next turn goes I. Don't think public enemy's GonNa, take us there and maybe I was expecting too much and that's sometimes a problem with long-term fans. If you'RE A long-term fan of group and also you know they're going to release a new album it's always hard to to. To. Speak of it. Back In an objective way, it's hard. It's hard to be because you've got all of that baggage. You're you're expecting it to like the first time I put in that cassette. Of It takes a nation of millions to hold us back. I. Mean. My mind was blown a not for me. It was like this brand new world it's like I was inside a cave in the cave just exploded and there was this new universal Macau. Did I get here? That's what public enemy was to me. When you listen to the new album, it doesn't feel like a cave exploding. I'm into a brand new world. It's bills like Oh. We're going back a little bit and that's not necessarily bad but. You kind of hope for that moving forward and the jumping on the trump bandwagon just seems. Seems a little dated seems a little late to the party. Seems a little late to the party. and. There you have it. The new public enemy I'm. Not GonNa say more I could go back. I could go through each track I'm my goal here is just to get you to give you a little history because I think everyone. Everyone has a different perspective everyone heard public enemy for the first time with a different perspective in mind either you saw race racism and it was all about race or maybe you're like me and I didn't get the race race racial issues, racism issues that they were addressing a lot of things from a black perspective and their struggle. I just sat I'm part of the struggle to. After me to they're holding me down to like I. Didn't get it now I get it a lot better and so does lyrics even have a more Even more profound now when I go back and listen to some of the things that we're talking about look man, they're talking about nine one one and how the nine one one response response to certain black communities with slower than to white communities. Okay. We what was going on there now whether you always agree whether you think Chuck d always has all of his facts correct or these misrepresenting that's a whole different podcast. Debate. The point is he was addressing issues that I didn't even know existed and I didn't really catch on now that catch on I'm like nobody was talking about that at that point in time and nobody nobody rap music was talking about nobody was talking about those things or if they were they definitely I did not notice them. You know a lot of the rap that was going on at that time you know. was going different direction. All right. especially if you get back to you know Yeah. If you get back to some of the things going on at that time, you're you're you're definitely the definitely going a different deaf going a different direction. So all right I'll stop right there. Thank you for tuning into the currently on podcast where we talk about what's currently on and what's currently on today is the new public enemy album. When the grid goes down what are you GonNa do when the grid goes down listen to it and I, say this every time life is crazy short. So get out there and enjoy every second of it. Don't waste a second of it. All right. Thanks for listening. Everyone. Great.

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WOW! It's All AXS with The Women of Wrestling

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WOW! It's All AXS with The Women of Wrestling

"The chair co network on Westwood One. Tall. Jay. Doll recall. Rigaud? All right. Welcome to talk Jericho. It's the pot of thunder and rock and roll. And wow, the shows already sounded good. I'm listening to myself record this to make sure it's actually recording right on my zoom. And amusing my new rake on E fifty wireless ear buds to monitor myself. And they sound amazing. These things are really cool very clear. Great bass sound fit right in my ears perfectly. I yeah. Much sleeker than cumbersome headphones as well. So go on for those rake on e fifty s as I listen to how the Duff McCague joke of the week sounds on. These Ray cons so Duff's joke. Sounds good. Am I knew rake on ear buds didn't make any funnier? Actually like that one though, not answer pants uncles. The old joke. Right. So funny. Defec- Geoghegan rock and Roll Hall of Famer traveling the world always calling in the laughter every Friday here on talk his Jericho, sharing his original jokes exclusively with all of you. Sexy beasts good or bad. Hear them here. I and if you're listening on your rate con e fifty s makes him sound even funnier. Speaking of first, though, our guest today have a bunch of I between them. Let's see Abilene maverick is one of the first women to wrestle in China. Xi. Intesa Blanchard had a monumental match. Their Abilene is also the first female wrestler to appear on the new wild TV show on access TV and David McLean is here with Abilene. He's the creator of while he's the creator of glow from the eighties. Also, the first to bring all female wrestling shows, the TV in the eighties, and again now two thousand nineteen he and his party Jeanie Buss. Yes, the same genie that owns the Los Angeles Lakers their partners in. Wow. And you hear that story. How this all came together? Wow. Airs on Friday nights that happens to be tonight on access TV at nine pm eastern access TV's network that airs new Japan, and now they're airing women of wrestling. They've already been picked up for a second season as welcome to while. Let's hear the wild story with creator, David. But and the top star Abilene maverick right now. On talk his Jericho. A gay fill the hottest new show after one week is on access TV hottest interesting show women wrestling. Wow, David McLean is here and Abilene maverick. The governor's daughter governor of state we love to ask that I I would say the entire universe of. Wow. There you go. Yes. In the world of wealth. The governor of. Wow, this is something that I've heard about for a long time. David, and it's interesting if you've got so much to talk about obviously, you were one of the creators or the creator of glow. Yes. Which is now one of the hottest properties on TV again because of the show on net flicks. And now, you've course it started. Wow. So what made you want to get back into the business again? And basically do a new modern version of what you created thirty some years ago when I sold glow on and I never knew this until you know, maybe a year ago when we brought in someone to help us build out our digital properties. And we we went after him and he kept saying, well, let's have some more meetings. Let's have some more meetings. I kept saying meetings meetings and after the third or fourth he says I'm in. I'm your digital guy. I'll help you build it from scratch, and this is the guy that created the headphones for Steve Jobs. This guy for you know, the mobile phone years ago, and I said. How are you in? We haven't even discussed money yet. He says I'm in because it'll be a success. I said how do you know, it's going to be a success? There's plenty of wrestling shows, and I've been doing this up and down many times he goes 'cause you and your partner Jeanie Buss are on the same direct path in the reason you're doing it is passion, and he said if you have business partners that you don't have the same direction it'll fail and I was fortunate enough to sell glow, and it turned into a comedy and the wrestling at that time is in no capacity to even be look at it. Like today's wrestling the athleticism was that there. But remember back in the eighties. You only had what was the biggest thing on his Jane Fonda videos. Jay rusty in the eighties in the states. Wasn't like an all right. No. It was the fabulous moolah who is fifty five sixty years old that was kind of the top. Level women's wrestler as right there was no color. There was no possess. There was no youth to it. There was no music to it. And so we changed the paradigm. Then then I sold it. But to answer your question. I always knew I was going to go back and do women's wrestling. I always knew because I hadn't had my thirst quenched with what I really envisioned it and to do that numerous things had to come into play into the blender. If you will if we're at the bar to make anything work as perfectly tasting and the blessing is today's female wrestlers are well trained well versed. You've got Abilene maverick who's been out on the wrestling circuit as Barbi Hayden for years. She's wrestled in Texas to Florida and all over the country, China, China that's right against Tessa Blanchard. And so. Here. She needed a platform to which she canal shine and be in the spotlight and access TV's providing it with a one hour show every Friday night. And so it's even like Tessa Blanchard was watching yesterday. I think show number three that comes out in two weeks. And she just said, wow. And I said what would? Wow, you're not even on the screen. You're not you're not even in this episode. And she says, I get it. Now, why this is a valuable program. I said why she goes you're threading my story throughout the hour. And she goes that doesn't happen in my other wrestling because they've got the men to promote and their story storyline and their feuds. This is something I looked at her and her face just lit up. So back to the question. I just always knew I was going to do it. And I got sidetracked because I'm so excited about. About the athletes and the capabilities of the talent now, and that was the alternate dream to package it and put it on. So the women wrestlers are as big as Chris Jericho? There. And he steps into that ring. How did you get hooked up with? Well, because like you said, you have been around to a lot of different places, you know, in independent scene. But now you've kind of found a home as a while. This one of the faces of the company, etc. Etc. This is actually a very ironic way to even come into a company. I was suggested by other talent. Yeah. So so at the time, I know it's really cool. Because like whenever your peers are suggesting you, and they believe in you. I think that that kind of brings you to another tier of respect, you know, in this business, you know, that as well. Whatever your here's, you know, actually, understand what you can bring to the table. And I was originally brought in as a tag team with Candace laret, which a lot of people don't know that unless they follow us on like, wow, he dot com. They kind of see like the back stories and some of the, you know, the older episodes that we shot out in Las Vegas before. We moved our home over to L A. And that was that was really how it started. And in fact, I was actually encompassing different character. I wasn't even the character that I've developed into today at the time I was more on the realm of farmer's daughter. So it was a little bit more of a play into like, I guess like the hokey side of, you know, Texas living and people who are country because I did grow up in the country primarily. Actually was a ranch hand for the first part of my wrestling Corrales. We didn't really stretch. How to handle those horses and those been yet, you're moving the horses left. And right. Yeah. So why they put me into that realm because they were like, oh, this is perfect. Because this this ties into her real life, and then it kind of just develops. And that's something that is very unique to. Wow, that other companies are not doing is that they give you a lot of creative control, which I know, you know, how that is a lot of companies do not give that to you. And they are open. They have their doors open, and they're open to suggestions of where you think the character can go, and I think they started over time realizing how eloquently speak and noticing that. I had a little bit more of a sassy undertone to the way that I present, you know, a lot of things. So I think that moving into more of the governor's daughter just fit more of the attitude of you know, who I was destined to become. So it was really cool. How it all kind of just snowballed attitude? In my era. That's what the ranch. Yeah. This is the most I've actually been my own character. Even as we hate in. It's different. Always the way the the best characters or your own personality. Just turned up to ten exact that's how you get over. You can't play a character that you don't feel don't know because this is authentic. It's it's really neat. People will see that. And they see it in the way, you move and the way present yourself, and you talk and how you interact everything they see it your movements, and you can't fake that. So and that was kind of carrying on the tradition. David from what you did in glow where every character on your show is a character. Obviously that you very much believe in because it was happening all the time with the original glow. And then now as well, and in, wow, yes, or personality or persona, and you take a wrestler, even with the name, Tessa Blanchard or Chris Jericho? And, you know, even if you look at yourself you've been able to transform your personality, your persona, and I. That's why you've if you wanna use the word lasted so long, and you're in the eyes of the fans as authentic, and they believe in you when you come out there because I think you are authentic when you come out. I think. Tessa Blanchard is still a character. I was asked this. We'll she doesn't have a character name. We'll hold it. What is her character? She's a bad ass. Right. And she kicks ass, and that's really her. And you know, I was I was nailed by somebody saying, oh, it's going to be another glow with characters will hold a we went out. And did a marketing survey before we started while we took three years to do correct marketing because you didn't need just another wrestling show on the air. And I didn't really want to do another women's wrestling audition rendition without it being spot on what the fans wanted. And we went out and met with fans in twelve different cities went into their homes like this and sat and watched wrestling with them. And they said they wanted something where mom and dad could watch with the kids again. And they wanted a spotlight on the women, and they wanted the fun f u n back in wrestling and from. The response from the access TV debut of. Wow, we nailed it. We hit the fun back in wrestling. And I even have a text that I'm very proud of. I sent it to Jeanie Buss last night arrest longtime wrestling fan WWE WCW's longtime wrestling fan said I took my nine year old daughter on Friday, and we went to watch. Wow on access and I finally have a show to watch with her. And all this really sweet that when you say Jeanie Buss, this is the she owns the Lakers. Yes. Right. So this is a high powered partner that you have. Yes, how did you end up hooking up with assets? Because because Abilene said that you guys were doing TV before access we were shooting. Wow. Events in Las Vegas to put on digitally Gotcha into to build our library. And it was important to us that we started to create the characters early started to find out what works. Act and build out all of our platforms. I in own them. We could have gone in five seconds bought our time on TV sure. But then we may not have owned everything. And she, and I have a long term vision that this is going to outlast us and be successful long term. So that's how we started earlier in Vegas. We were shooting content than and putting it on digital now. It's like you finally hit the big time with with the access deal. Yes. Okay. So let's talk about some of the other talent. While you got a lot before we do. 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Go to buy rake on dot com and use the promo code Jericho. Twenty twenty percent off. These amazing ear buds go do it. Now. Tells us amoeba characters they designed yourself governor's daughter. Okay. So what's really cool about the show is obviously, it's all women. So we hit the spectrum of all shapes all sizes women of all sorts of backgrounds. You're gonna see a lot of for people who do follow wrestling. You're gonna see a lot of familiar faces. They are gonna see the Tessa Blanchard. They're going to see, you know, Santana gear. They're going to see myself, obviously, as you know, encompassing, a different character. You even have a Kierra HOGAN playing fire. We are gonna have Jessica have it coming in as havoc. And there's a lot of these names that people do recognize in that actually have experienced something to bring to the table. You know, I think that was what a lot of fans were afraid of happening. You know, kind of like David was touching on earlier with them saying, oh, well, this just like a remake of glow. And like, there's nothing, you know, to really sink your teeth into. And that's not true at all. You know, we do have some newcomers. We have new faces that people do not know because they are. Wow originals. You know, like we have. The beast and oh my gosh. The bees is like, literally a terrifying. Various unlike she's she's so just scary and huge and muscular and dominant, and it's really cool. And then we have you know, like this voodoo character. And then we have like, you know, Steffi sleighs who's just like this sweet little innocent girl. You know, she's from Texas as well in Alcee from Austria. Yes. And we have Ozzy exactly nausea has a little bit of experience as well. I'm on the independent scenes, and so that's what's really cool as a huge spectrum of. Wow, originals and women that people may or may not recognize from the independent scene. No. When you're talking about well, rituals of these girls, the basically flocked better term coming in off the street and just training with you guys or created a training school. We put out advertisements. If you will looking for talent that want become wrestlers eight hundred applied, and maybe ten made it in Selena amazing, Selena majors who was Bambi. Oh, I know her from Tennessee leather Peggy Lee, she's smokey mountain wrestling when I was there female mullet. Got the same. So Selena's the trainer waterfall we called exactly so Selena's the trainer she moved out here from Georgia and she's trained the wrestlers at the wild training center. And you know, they've just done a phenomenal job, and the athlete is's them. Even when they step into the ring now is light light years ahead of what I did in glow days. That was Jane Fonda day. There's not a female athlete anywhere today. That's not the beneficiary of title nine. They never heard. No, they never heard. They can't play on the soccer team, the baseball softball, and they're all very athletic. So that's the first thing you notice when you watch. Wow. And then, of course, it's dedicated. So it's the mixture of every of independent stars homegrown while stars it we're gonna look for more the WWE. As the performance center. What are they looking for a new star someone that's not in wrestling today that they can find it's got this special little it factor? And that's what we've found with the beast. She's just a fee nom. I grew up in wrestling. I started working at thirteen dick the bruiser. It's interesting. I started taking pictures work with Bill apter all those guys when I was thirteen years old. So I grew up in wrestling. Bobby Heenan is a friend Rene Goulet as a good friend of mine. All the a lot of old timers is good friends with Chuck O'Connor, John Minton this John stud. So my my point is the mixture of the talent and getting new talent. Now, we're going to do that. Again, we're going to look for new talent to come to our training center this summer and find that little it factor with those people because I believe that's how you find them. You get them and you train them. They get into. The sport at a young young age. You know, Andre the giant when I saw him the first time and he stepped over the third rope. I mean, I looked up. I knew there there's a fee nom. Same thing happened when I saw the beast that make sense the piece the league. League over the third rope on day one and training, and I just went like this. And I said the Selena that's going to be a star just instantly. You knew know right off the bat off the bat. Do you think when you mentioned that eight hundred girls showed up is because some of its big will obviously women's wrestling has a whole bunch proprietor. But in this town, especially because of glow and being such a hit that it has been do you think that kind of helped people going I want to get involved in this? Yes, there's no doubt even the beast when she when she sat in the front row, we're bringing them in at about fifteen people at a time to interview them and tell them what. Wow. Was and I walked in. And she started with a tear in awry, and I looked down and said what's wrong, you need a tissue. What's wrong? And she says, you're David McLean. David mclean. I said, yes. So she goes I watched you on TV when I was a kid. That's when I knew I wanted to be a wrestler, I watch glow. So it influenced. Somebody yet you don't Jeanie Buss. Everyone says how come the owner of the Lakers is in women's wrestling? How come question, and why is that two reasons when she was younger her dad exposed her to comic books, he gave her wonder woman and supergirl with the message. You can be anybody in anything you want don't ever let anyone deter your dreams and her father was giving her the comic books. She's got a collection in her house fill half this room. In the in the super girl outfit that she just goes on Instagram an old friend sent her that actually, his wife, I should be telling all of this back story, but she was posed seventeen or eighteen as supergirl in an outfit. So she always envisioned, you know, superhero, she's the one that came up with the tagline. They are the superheroes while superheroes. I'm learning things. But her dad knocked on the door and said come down, I'm gonna want you to watch a sporting event what Ford dead because sports is going to change in the next hour, and it was Billie Jean King beating Bobby right and tennis. So Jeannie remembers that how she had a dad that one said you can be anything in. How women's sports was going to change. And she watched Cindy Lauper, captain, Lou Abano, the WWE's MU. Ula with Wendy Richter event, eighty five and she was in high school when she remembered how fun it was. And how exciting it was to watch that event because there was a woman involved and then women's wrestling went away. And it was back to its old days with moolah and all that. And so she and I knew each other we've been friends for almost thirty years. You're you're a Canadian we started the roller Hockey League. Wow. We started international roller hockey and with Walt Disney and everyone, and we became partners in that. So when I asked her to come to a while events, she wouldn't come and she thought it would be low class oil or something she wasn't jello wrestling wrestling or a hate thanks to to what was being displayed on WWE at that time. So she said, okay, I'll I'll come for five minutes just to support you. But I'm gonna leave early one in the morning she's down in the locker room with Peggy leather thug, Selena the wrestlers. She comes out and goes, this is the greatest thing. This is exactly what. I always dreamed of live super heroes. If this was around when I was nine years old, David I'd be all over. How do I buy this? I want to own I'm gonna make these girls superstars we're going to put them on TV and everything it was instant. So isn't it funny? We mentioned before the father taking his diner old daughter Friday night to watch while. No, hey, I get it. Totally get it. Head knocked on her door when she was nine years old. And now we have a new Evelyn of women's wrestling with. Wow, women of wrestling. What's going to happen to that nine year old his dad knocked on her door and twenty? Yes, you might come up with something that we aren't even thinking of right now. That's what's so exciting about it. When you said that your parents, your family thinks that the laughing with jealousy and stuff. How was it? When you told your family that you were going into the wrestling business. So that you're in the wrestling business. Oh, man. It was brutal. I mean. Absolutely brutal. So a little background on me as I played softball catcher. For eleven years. I was in dance. I was a straight a student. I was a complete nerd, I was an art. I had a scholarship to actually to go dance at a school, and I wanted to become range Arete and then eventually a Dallas Cowboys cheerleader that was like the ultimate goal. My family had for me and for myself as well. And when I told them this, you know, this was my senior year of high school my last semester. I was like, you know, what my boyfriend snuck me without you'll knowing to a wrestling show, and I fell in love with that. So I'm going to go ahead and do that. They were just like, what are you? What do you mean? And literally three days after I graduated high school. I graduated on a Friday the following Monday actually started training when I was eighteen and what's crazy is my family kind of disown me to be honest. I know they're going to listen to this. And probably be like, no, yes, they did. They did. And my dad, and I actually met at my cousins graduation party. And he said, you know, what I've given this a lot of thought I'm only fifty two years old and my one regret in life. Is that I didn't travel the world. I never went and saw anything I never really got out of my bubble. And he was like do this wrestling thing. He was like, obviously you want to do it. You know, this is a passion of yours you've come up with out of nowhere. And you know, he was like do it become this famous wrestler on TV and travel the world, and I'm going to travel with you all your manager. And I'll come see the world with you. He was like, so if you can promise me that then, you know, this is okay by me. And I was like, okay. Got it. And with his green light. I was like, okay. I'll do. This and then unexpectedly a few weeks later he actually passed away. Gosh. Yeah. So it was it was a very strange turn of events. But on the same token, it really proved me exactly what he just said. You know, you you really do need to get out. There you need you need to experience life experience the world and really see things for what they can be. And you never know when your time is up, you know. So I, you know, jumped into this one hundred and ten percent and became really good friends actually with my grandfather after my dad died kind of naturally because it was like I need someone to fill that void, I guess in my life, and what's so funny as I wasn't allowed to watch wrestling. You know, when I was younger because my family was like, no, no little girl is gonna be watching this severely inappropriate. This is during the attitude era mind you so they're like, no, no, you're not going to watch this. And my grandfather, you know, speaking of him. He's never been able to watch me Russell because he can't travel. You know, he's just he's elderly and he can't get around and on Friday night. I actually sat in. His living room and watched the premiere of. Wow, you don't says. Yes. So you finally got to see me. And it was just so cool because they don't talk with that. I was sitting with my nieces and my nephews and my sister. And you know, they were able to watch this. And I never had a moment where it had told him to look away. I never had to explain anything. You know, everything was appropriate for all levels. My sister was entertained the kids were entertained and my grandfather as well. So it was just so cool because it was like a dream come true letting him finally see me, you know, finally after all after ten years to mazing just being on TV now legitimizes everything it does. Yeah. Oh, Barbara's doing little wrestling thing. And then suddenly you're on national TV channels. What's really come? Gather round. Exactly, he wants his bragging rights. You know what I mean? Like he wants to call his friends would be like, so did you watch my granddaughter? It must be for you, though. Like, I said, it's the first time maybe been on national TV before. But like as a real star on the show. Well now. Actually, a mainstay. I am one of the contacted, you know, main roster characters and. You know, something that finally turned my mom around in wrestling was whenever I started working for well back when they filmed in Vegas because she saw a company that believed in me as much as I believed in me. And that's what turn it around for me. Like the first like four years of wrestling. She didn't she and I really didn't even speak to one another because she was so mad still about like me doing this. And and then she finally saw a company that, you know, believed in women and treated us as equals and pushed us to be superstars. And then she was like, okay now, I get it. Let's talk about glo before we do. I to say thanks to another amazing talk is Jericho sponsor O'Reilly auto parts. Now. Shop Reilly auto parts whenever you need supplies for your car. 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And we're sitting there watching it was like kind of like as I got off the plane. I started then explained to him what I was doing. I was going because I wanted to sit in enjoy him watch the show, you know, and it was really cool too. Because they got awesome, Kong and stuff. You know, she's on the air. I even saw Joey Ryan was there. Curly has been on the job is. Really cool for me personally goes like, I know these people, you know, that's what I loved about glo as well. As that. They even stay true to the roots of wrestling in like had real wrestlers come in. You know, it's always like this is just such a good vibe. Everybody has such a good vibe. Here you watch the show. Oh, yes. Guys. You right. Not the director. That's the director of the commentator guys. Yes. Yeah. But we didn't have any cocaine in the dress. Testify based a little wine and maybe a beer. Sometimes we're like he's such a lightweight. Kid, hang with the. No that they're feeling like what you're saying. Is that you sold glow. Yes. Mayors. Gotcha. So the owner that purchased it for me provided it to a talent that was in glow. And she licensed the rights to them and the two ladies that started it. Saul the documentary that was on. There was a document saw glow that we're mount Fiji was sick. And it's amazing documentary. Yes in why was it? It's because they captured in the documentary the sisterhood of those ladies eight that participated in this unique business of professional wrestling. I think that's still holds true today. And I think that's why so many of the wrestlers independent and otherwise gravitate toward. Wow. Because we're like a family, and it's a sisterhood for them. And I totally respect what they do in that ring and go ahead even on. So that that happens behind the scenes that thing that people in the wrestling world now, but then even on screen it shows as well because it's very encompassed like it's the world of. Wow. And they see how we all like run into each other, you know, backstage and things like that. And they see how we're all integrated. You know, kind of, you know, not it's almost seems like it's not on purpose. You know what I mean? Like we. Just bump into one another backstage. And I think that really excites people because they see that we are actually together we are filming things together in training together. And doing all of these things like as a family, and it shows on screen as well. So it's really cool. How it's not scenes. And so they went to Jenny Cohn who produced the orange is the new black. And so the three of them created that and I met the director the plays the director in Mark mayor and yet and we were up at the comedy store, and we totally just ran into each other. I was coming out of the kitchen, and he was going into the restroom, and we literally just ran into each other. And he looks up at me, and I looked down. I said, hey, nice to meet you did a great job any. And I said, I'm David Maclean. He just wouldn't go in the rest. He goes, David McLean. David maclean. How do I know that name, and I said think a little harder and any looked at me says you're the guy from glow. And I said, yes, why don't you know that didn't you watch some of the early episodes? He said, no, I purposely would not watch glow. Because I wanted to take the script and just get into the character. And he and I said, well, you're. Right at he goes. That's why I think I am because I really lift from the script what's in there. And he goes, but I did know the name, and he goes, I don't a says that's registered because he hadn't seen my face. It was the name he stopped. And so we had a great time talking about it. And he used a word that Allison Brie used after the Golden Globes and she's hired a trainer for season three of glow. And she said how it was. He said it was intoxicating to do it and fun. She used the word is so empowering to get into that ring and do that even the we're doing it for a show, and we don't have a real live paid audience where Abilene gets to go out and get instant gratification, and you do too when you walk down that rampant into the ring, you, instantly know, do you have those fans in your hand? And she just used the word. It's imp-. Powering after the Golden Globes. And I really that word. Really resonated this time because here's an actress who's not a wrestler, but just playing the wrestler. She's intoxicated by it. So hats off to them. They've done a great job and it's coming back for season three. And I think that's one of the other main ingredients that went into the blender to get wild to where it is. It's on access. I agree. I think that one thing it's a lot. I think that popularity that showed definitely helped revive the concept of what you're doing. It wasn't taken as a joke anymore for TV executives. Right. Was it originally like in one thousand nine hundred seven or whatever when you first bitching off every meeting you went to was it oil wrestling. It was very tough. Wow. How did you finally explain and get it? 'cause I remember like I grew up in Winnipeg Canada, we used to watch it every Saturday, whatever it was, you know, no doubt indicated all around North America. Maybe around the world. I don't know one of my most fun times. Because after I sold glow. I went back to do some announcing and WCW would use me is really is is I was up in my hometown. And they had just started to bring you know, in w a wrestling there. So Rick flares up in the locker room, and I'm walking by and he may have known my face, maybe because I took pictures when he was with Crockett, I would go over to Cincinnati gardens and take pictures, but soon as I walked up the locker room to up carrying my tux to go do get he Rick flair looks up and goes holy shit. That's the guy from glow. That's the guy and Ricky steamboat says that's David Maclean and sting sting knew me because he was friendly with two the globe girls in Rick flings van. I watched said getting my hotel room all the time. So that's a big compliment that this your Allen was watching it because they'd be in different cities board at the hotel. And it'd be on either. Daytime morning or night, depending on the market in syndication, but it was campy, but that was the eighties to those very, you know, it was fun to watch being a wrestling fan. And just wanting to watch anything that happened in a wrestling ring. It was cool. I mean is there was different from what was going on and deputy, which is why it was a success, which is why while as a success right off the bat because it's different from everything else that you're seeing. Yes. An alternative program. Right. You don't want to compete with those companies. You wanna do your own Leah can't compete with? That's right. That's right. Biggest I mean that was actually in an interview I dead earlier. Someone said something about like, our y'all competing with w I said, we're completely different spectrums. We're we're different beasts in this. United said, yes, we want to compete in terms of like viewers, you know, in getting wrestling fans over to us. Of course, I said, but we're we're two completely different products. You know, you can't really compare like apples to oranges in this case. Because you know, we're a very like fast paced vibe. Different show. You know, whereas when you watch like the WB product, it's a little bit more like, you know, like I don't want to say Brandi because that's not the point. I'm trying to make here. But you know, it's just different. And there's different air to it. We're, you know, we're really more fun and light. And you know, you're really sinking your teeth into like back stories and characters whereas though to be right now, it's like, you know, a lot more of just okay? What's happening right there in the rain. Sure, you know, that as much character development or more straightforward, exactly. So much talent so much an abundance of it between their fifteen hours a week and program. How can you actually spend that quality time on on the wrong? So many so much real estate. You have an a two hour show or exactly yes. Do you? Write the shows David or what's your what's your well. As Abilene said earlier, we have a lot of creative ideas and platforms that the talent brings in comes to us with and so Selena. Majors. If you will is our head creative person and everything gets run through me or by me. But we listen a lot to the talent. We we don't even come up with one care. We have two new performers that are gonna come and season two and they've been in training for a year. Now, we don't have their names yet. And it's been almost nine months because we want to really nail it correctly on who there are. I don't want to just come up with a name. And that's who they are. I've watched you know, let's just take, you know, go back to the word character who's one of the most famous characters of WWE on appear character platform gotta be the undertaker. I mean. Absolutely people actually by the pay per view or by right network now to see him come back. They're that big of a fan of that character. And so we want to spend the time to get it. Right. I look at the. I even look at the rock he developed into the rock. I look at stone cold when he started down. I think with Jarrett and everything he developed into stone cold. So we're taking the time to nail the creative by really spending quality time with the talent. I don't want to rush something out. Just because we think of some great idea. To who we are and no real aspects of our life, or what you know, we can come across as being natural the disciplinarians another wrestler in our in our organization, and she's a real high school teacher in Orlando, Florida, she teaches high school, and so when I found that out I said, you gotta become the disciplinarian because these kids needs of this. And her and her manager if you will was an assistant for me, she's named Samantha smart. Well, she went through college for years straight, a student on a tennis scholarship, and, you know, see Samantha smart because he really is the valedictorian of her class for four years you come up with some ideas as well. I have leaned for what you're doing. Yeah. We definitely it's it's really nice. 'cause they'll they'll kinda come to us where we can come to them, you know, and they're like, hey, what do you think on this or hey, we're thinking of this person? What do you think fits with them? And they even give us time to kind of think of it, you know, and we can, you know, snowball ideas with one another, and then I know that in a lot of cases, I mean, even me being brought in for instance, I was kind of the idea or notion of another wrestler. So we definitely will. We're kind of like the is, you know, for them like out out in the real world out in the jungle of the Indies because we get to see it firsthand. I'm going to interrupt you. You're living in a hotel and long. Beach, California and Abilene came out with her boyfriend Preston, and they like to eat ice cream. So I I learned that they liked that ice cream. So appleans boyfriend. There was a mix up in their cars limousine. You can you know this? This will all be coming out in episodes of y or at least I don't wanna spill too many beans, but what you see in. Wow, with Preston khloe hurts who was a girlfriend of Robin dams, everything you see in. That is exactly how it is. And because Preston khloe was flirting with them. There was ice cream involved. There were limousines involve the rat there there there were ring rats that Abilene brought in from Texas that by the way, the regrets, by the way, the rat. Yes. You should we flip the script and? It's all out of their real life that we brought that story together and put it on TV. And that's why resonates in work. So well, then you can go back on our social media. And they'll see pictures of us doing this together, or whatever it is. And then people are like, oh, this is really knows that the people connect to a better, you know, and who doesn't love ice cream. That's the real right really made you integrate what you are really in your wrestling persona. Yeah. Sure. Sure because I believe social media has taken the curtain back. If you will see the definitely has and you can use it your advantage or to detriment like, I don't wanna see Braun strowman on their, you know, fishing or or getting nipple ring one time. And so it's not kind of the science percent. The idea that you wanna see, but you got to be smart about that. You really do. Exactly. Speaking of real life stuff. I wanted to ask you, you mentioned China, and I know that you anticipate had the first women's match ever in China. How did that come about? And tell us about that experience is okay. So and I know that you can attest to this as well is whenever you hear these things are going to happen. You kind of don't believe it. Yeah. You never, you know, rustling exactly until you see it in ink or you're literally on the plane on the way there, you don't believe it. And what's funny is there were so many setbacks anyway, like a, you know, our plane got screwed up. So we sat at the airport forever. We ended up landing in the wrong place in China. Once we got there. The government officials were trying to shut it down. They yes, they because they didn't understand what it was. They had no idea, and they didn't want us coming over there and tainting the minds of the people. So they had us put on a seminar the night before really, yes, we had to walk them through and tell them everything we were doing and show them physically. How did it why we did it and we did not get their approval? We would not have even had the show. They wouldn't even let us sell tickets, which is down. What was going on when you came over there? Now, the I mean, it's like they said they did. But they really were just kind of toying with us. Like once we got there. I think I think for even for them, it became real all of a sudden, you know, and what's crazy is there were thousands of people that were there, and we sold those tickets in that day of the show because we were so excited to see via the or does the government make them go. No, no, no people actually bought them. No. I think I think it was actually trying to shut it down. They didn't want it to happen. So that's why they only gave us the day to sell the two. Oh my God. I think this is with interview way. So was there like a lot of guys on the show as well? Absolutely. Yeah. Ended up being only two women's matches. It was funny because you know, the the other two girls were like, well, we want to go on later on we want to be with more of like the main event. I mean, we're like we wanna make history. Well, I. And so low. Because we went to China in. I believe two thousand fifteen or sixteen and there was no women's matches allowed. Must've been after that six about the year that it happened was I think it might have been two thousand and fifteen in earlier than that. Actually, you're right. It was thirteen. Okay. Yes, y'all were there like right before crazy. Allow because we we even had some girl. I remember eve Torres was with us because we have gone Japan. I zipped over to China. And she was just there hanging out because they they on the show wouldn't allow wrestle. So yes, that's getting broken. I wonder what made them change their minds. I mean, they saw me. Maybe I mean, they literally did though they literally had us come out and practice are things. What did you have to go over your match show them? This is like you said a body slam. I'm talking like, it was it was full on like we had somebody in the ring who was saying we're gonna show you a headlock. This is over slogged. This is a body slam and like we had to show them verbatim. Like things that we just do. It was crazy. They did give us a little bit more free reign. Like once the show, actually like was put on they did say, oh, you know, we we trust you that you did. You know, we think this is great everything. And we're like oh thank God. Because if if there's one thing they didn't like or that looked too violent because I think that's what they were afraid of violence. Young went through. They were scared. Like, you said that the crowd was gonna break out in a riot. Right. So we weren't allowed to do anything on the floor. You know, I've never wrestled Ramos stereo. And it's like, you know, no dives or which is like a lies. Sets the parameters. Yes. And it was like watching, and it was interesting because the Riina had hardly any people in it because the government bottle the tickets and wouldn't give them out because they were scared of the riot. But there was one table of dignitaries. It looked like a JAMES BOND movie there like with the bunting on the table. Just sitting there watching. It was very strange. Yep. Very straight. We're at our steel toe understand. I am I going to get assassinated. Iraqi versus the Russian where they were up there. We since went back a couple years ago. And then I think I remember Sasha had a match the girls could wrestle it was in an arena with Darkin areas and people around but that first time, right? Was not like you said, you're not welcome. But will let you your eyes previewing the event. Exactly, exactly. So must have been happened with you guys as it was. It was really cool. I ended up every turning to China this past year. And of course, then it was like, oh, no big deal. Hey, guys. Welcome back. Yeah. We're just back in China, James. What's funny is is with interview again was who I want with this time again. So I I don't know. Apparently, so David when you're talking about while and do you tape monthly or is it is it? No, are we took the model that access TV rolled out with new Japan wrestling, they took new Japan, wrestling and said, let's put it on. Let's see how it goes see how it develops and they rolled it out. Slowly, even with old programming. And then as you see last year, they did new Japan live from long be right live, and it's become very successful and popular. And so the idea was let's start with eight episodes and get the feedback from the fans and then go back into production. And then my goal when they said, what do you want? David. I said we're not going live yet. I can tell you. That's not happening for a year or down way down the road, maybe year two or three. And I said we gotta make a great looking product one that the fans like, and they respect my goal is financially. Businesswise we've gotta shoot a minimum of twenty six episodes. It's a magical number to go internationally, and our company is going to take those episodes and start selling we're going to be at nappy just this month. But I held that off. So. We'll probably go to myth next but talking about to sell worldwide. Yes to sell worldwide. So, you know, because it's not my first rodeo, we're going slowly methodically weren't partnership with Mark Cuban access TV we're going to do this very correctly and not rush it out. So our next TV tapings or either in March or no later than April fifteenth, and I've got to pick the date probably within the next fifteen days, where do you where do you shoot? We'll do it here in Los Angeles dill, I don't think until the events and program or on television more. There's no way we're going to make the mistake. Then go out touring that ain't gonna happen. That's smart, though, you know, because a lot of people do make that mistake. And that's what kills you. The money the money trap. You know? Keep it on TV. I think is is a good idea just the lighting alone. You know, I watched what WWE does when they come here for Monday night, raw and some people ask God, they had a Saturday night shows the Sunday night big event. And then Monday night was there showing the shot another one on Tuesday. We'll heck I went over. And I looked at all those trucks. They've got how many eighteen wheel trucks, or they dozen at least at least I thought there might even been eighteen and just to hoist the lighting when we did the wow in syndication years ago, our lighting Bill to move in and out of that forum with union labor. It was over a hundred grand night night in and out. Right. So there's a business side to wrestling. And luckily, I've done it, and we're gonna do this when smart methodically. And as I said earlier genie bus, and I we have a goal that this out last us. So we're in no rush. We're going. To do this just correctly. You're building building. We're building a brand that's going to last. Do you still work other shows as well? Yes, I do. So that's actually something comes up a lot with you know, a lot of people are curious about that. But how does allow us at this time to work for other companies, especially in my case because my character Abilene maverick is exclusive to now as with the Barbi Hayden character in that whole that whole deal. That's completely excluded from everything to do with. Wow. So Barbara Hayden goes wherever she feels like going to do whatever she's doing. But no, my, of course, my home, obviously is with wild. But that is with the Abilene maverick character. So otherwise, yes, I do still work like the independent, you know, circuits and shows here and there, and then I can kind of just do what I want as we hidden think about that in in companies, even new ones. That are buying the talent. There's you know, there's multiple reasons why they do and they put you under an exclusive contract. We wanted to put you under an exclusive agreement for our wild brand and world if you will the wow world, but we recognize to do this correctly. There's no way we were going to be able to financially or fall into the trap of doing live events to keep them working be able to sustain allowing an Abilene maverick as the character. She's been in wrestling for ten years to just die. We just couldn't do it to them. So they are allowed to go wrestle independently where they can. And we that's why we have to set these dates so far in advance. So we are aware they need to make a living. And I think that's what's also great about some of the independent wrestlers today in the marketplace. Place that they're not tied up. If they're not with WWE in one company, they can still go out and make a living or it's a different world. Now. That's right. It has to be in WB to to make big money into have presence exactly thing that I always have to explain to people because almost everyone in my role in my life has no idea about wrestling. So I have to really like tell them what's going on. And they're like, well, if you're not with this is, of course before while debut. So now, I've got that. I'm like sure, I'm on TV's. So shut up. People like that you'd be like hulk HOGAN type stuff like well, thirty years. But. Yeah. Yeah. WWF and I'm like, yeah. Sure. And that's the brand name that people think wrestling, they think, okay. You know, think soda Coca Cola people? Just don't they the people that are not interesting world don't understand that. It's an it's higher universe. Full of things that people don't have to be with one company or exclusive to one thing to make a living anymore or to be successful at this. You know, I pulled up some people actually from, you know, like the Japan area or even from the UK for my mom because she didn't quite understand this either. And I wanted to explain to her how this works. And I said, you see, you know, XYZ these people I said they've never been signed anything over here. And yet they make a living and everyone here knows them. And she was like, oh, I didn't know. That's how that works. And I was like yes, you can you can do. That's what's so exciting about about wrestling is that you can, you know, work for multiple companies and brands yourself with them and be recognized with them and the fans understand, and that's key the fans of matured. Yeah, they get it. They do. We haven't even had one question with fans for the new Barbie. Hayden understanding. She's Abilene beverage in the wow world, and when they come into our social media, they come into our website, and they're reading and looking at it. They know that the governor's daughter, and there's the fans are sophisticated enough today sense. You know, if you're an actor you can play different parts of different shows. People know still Brad Pitt doing this role of that role. Whatever may be when you think of the legacy of glow. I mean, very influential. When like you said, it was very difficult at first to sell it and kind of came and went, but now thirty years later with the documentary and with the show. It seems like it's getting a lot more respect now than it ever. Did when it was on. Yes. There's no doubt about that. And there's no doubt that the documentary that you saw and you liked it. Yeah. Lisa Moretti worked w when I was there. Yes. It was her name there every ivory. Yeah. Exactly. She was didn't know that. She was in glow. She was the second globe girl that I picked. Well, I've picked one named Hollywood. I been Lisa went and did a move. And I said you're in next. Yeah. And Mondo Guerrero was the trainer lifetime. Which is. So funny without shovel grow his nephew is the trainer of the show the Iran. Yeah. Their their niece, shawl Guerrero. Eddie's daughter and Vicki's is our ring announced. Really? Yes. No that. Yeah. New Sean around taping. I'm backstage with Eric van wagon. And I said lose voices that out there whose voice is that back in the back room having a beer, and he says, oh, that's the that's the new announcer for the last two episodes. And I said what's her name? He says shawl he did tell me to last name. He just said on its shawl. It's like that. So I went I walked away. But in my mind, I say God that voice, so I walked out into the Luce place. And I saw this brunette in the ring still. I had no idea who she is four five months later. I call up era guy said, hey, who was that announcer? Again at Luce saw I want to put the cast together for. Wow. And I wanna hire a new announcer. He goes, oh, you're not going to do it anymore. Said. No, I'm done. I got hang up the microphone, and I said I want that person that I heard he says get your phone number. It's shawl Guerrero. I sit ho what it? Yeah. Shawl guerrero. I said. Sees a Guerrero said, yes, I'm so happy about that. And I tell that story 'cause she got the job not because of her last name 'cause we're voice. Yeah. Her voice got it. And I called her up. And I said here who who I am. And she said, oh my God. I can't believe this. My uncle started with you and glow. My other uncles the trainer in glow. In your calling up to hire me. I said, yeah, you're the new voice. That's crazy. It's interesting because I know she wrestled for awhile just wasn't for her. Yeah. It's awesome. That she's still in the business the Guerrero name continues on its right? I just love the story. And she is great. And once again, you see her passion in the ring. It's in her genes. Nice legacy too. I was talking with Tessa earlier like it's a third generation performer. Right. You know, she didn't get into while because of her last name Bambi who's friends with George south kept telling me, hey, you got to check out this girl named Tessa Blanchard Tessa Blanchard, and I said, we're not going to hire this girl tests of Blanchard just because of her last name, and so she was making waves on the independent circuit. And she was out there. And she was wrestling here in LA, and basically the while team if you will was somewhat put together probably ninety percent or ninety five percent for access TV and I went to a live event. Actually, look at someone else that Santana Garrett had suggested to me and totally by luck like Shaw Guerrero. I didn't know her last thing was Guerrero. I bump into test the left elbow to f- left elbow. She had just gotten some food. And I looked and I said, hi, I'm David Maclean. She says. Yeah. Tessa Blanchard and only because the Bambi pester me for three years. I said you want to sit down eat and talk. She said sure cocky. And we sat and talked and I walked away, and I told Bambi I said we're going to hire that Tessa Blanchard. And she says why I said I just talked to her for twenty minutes to thirty minutes. We'll why are you going to do it? Now, I've been telling you, I said, she's a great person. And I said now a higher I did wanna hire. Because of her name that was actually a detriment I wanted to hire. Because she had a vision for women's wrestling hashing and a passion that I listened to right? And that's what got her the job. Not her name shawl didn't get in. Because she was Guerrero voice last question for for both you the different ones, David for you. It's two for one. What's your overall goal for awhile and two who's your favorite character from the old globe series, my favorite character L acid that one I there are several, but from an athletic standpoint, I was always. Flagwaver for Lisa Moretti, who's played Tina Ferrari that was my I went to the mat to get her the championship. And I saw her as an all-time star as an all-time character. My favorite was chainsaw. And spike, they they were my favorite characters, and they didn't know wrestling hold from apple from a rich. Wrist lock from a wristwatch. Exactly. But boy when they hit the ring, and they came out the crowd was electrified. And so they were fun characters. But lease it was always my fun. She was my vision or my ideal for what women's wrestling could become with someone that was athletic who graduated from USC had a marketing degree and someone that was not what mullah's age of the past represented for women's wrestling. So that was Lisa Moretti from that my vision short term by I have several goals, obviously. And I've already stated genie's in mind as surpasses us but short term goals short term out. I've gotten a buzz from it debut in on access TV we're all your listeners could watch it on Friday nights at nine o'clock eastern. And the response has been great. But I'm not. Satisfied my next hurdle. I think where I'm going to be satisfied is where we see while merchandise available in WalMart and target and we have our licensing agent. We've just done to deals this week. Nice. And I'm going to a third big one right now, huge latronic games that we know that's a billion dollar industry. And then I know that the wrestlers can make money when they sleep because that's my goal. They don't that. They can. Money. They can make money when they're not in the ring. And you know, what you've done on merchandise for you. And isn't that great because I come from. When dick the bruiser was around and earning Ladd, and these guys and they didn't make any Mircha. There was none. There was for me because I was selling it. But I want the talent to reap those for awards. That's my all there you go. There you go. When for you. What was Abilene? What's your favorite match that you've ever had in your long illustrious career? Oh my gosh. I will say like, and this is genuinely speaking the one that I had with fire for the debut show is definitely one of my favorites. I think because I was so genuinely surprised by the chemistry. We had in the ring everyone always asked me who's your dream opponent. Who do you wanna Russell who? Do you want to be in the ring with and I never have an answer. Because it's never who. I like I I've never have the best matches of who. He was. You know? So I'm like, no, I want luck of the draw. Like, I want to see what happens. It didn't have been one of my favorite matches because I felt so confident in my movements and with her, and I trusted her, and, you know, she's really solid the way she hits too because everyone gets to see it. Yes. Exactly. I was like, oh, this is so great. I would say though, that my overall has to be my favorite was the one in China with Tessa, and the reason for that is because whenever you make history with somebody. No, one can take that away from you. If you're the first to do something, no one else can come up and be like, well, hi, I'm the I also take it away. Exactly. No one can take away from you. So it's really nice to have these things to kind of stake my claim because I am not a second or third generation wrestler. In fact, I have no claim to wrestling other than I had a match. Boy. Yes, I'm the same. Yes. So I have to just have to convince my family myself, not myself, really, but me and my family and everyone around me that you know, I am legitimate. And I do love this and its four purpose. And you know, when you have these accolades you can build up. People kind of see it through your eyes. They see why you're so passionate about the you have to I. Yes. What are they your first woman wrestler to wrestle in China? Yes. With Tessa Blanchard in the first woman to appear live on access TV. And wow. I look at this the history major. As the promoter and at your debut. Put the best on I. Wow. Utterly no pun intended. Thank you guys. Thank you. All right. Wow. Airs tonight, Friday and access TV at nine pm eastern Abilene and Tessa blanche and all the ladies in action. The shows getting great reviews, and we'll be back for season two, which is awesome. Thanks again to Abilene maverick and David Maclean for joining us. And thanks to all of you have signed up for pre booking on Chris Jericho's rock and wrestling ranger at sea. And who have reserved your cabins early? It's been crazy. We're almost almost the Q and A session for the force for I four hundred cabinet sold. Almost all gone. If you still a might have a chance if you go to Chris Jericho cruise dot com. Sign up for the presale list and get your chance to book those cabins before anybody else. A lot of them are gone. The the response. This time has been off the charts for all of the alumni who came on the first Jericho crews now understanding how much fun it is for all of you missed out. Oh that foam. Oh for missing the first one. 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He wrote the book the weirdest movie ever made the Patterson gimlan Bigfoot Bill the famous Patterson fill that you see of the Bigfoot up close walk into the forest Phillips floors all the controversy conspiracies around that infamous fifty five second long piece of black and white film footage that supposedly through the existence of Bigfoot, but doesn't fills going to share what he uncovered what he firstly thinks the existence sasquatch come every Wednesday, the weirdest movie ever made the path. Addison Gimblett big fulfill analyzed to its score. Very interesting stuff. Check out our Wednesday. In the meantime, and in between I have a great weekend. Go back, and listen, the billionaire Todd Wagner such an influential inspiring story, go check out. Art, the clown. Terrify? Listen, you're looking for something you want to watch this weekend. Love more movies. Go watch terrify Netflixing. It will creep the crap out did for me go check that out. 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Cameron Diaz and Katherine Power: Co-founders of Avaline Wine | #ThePlaybook 279

The Playbook

25:04 min | 2 months ago

Cameron Diaz and Katherine Power: Co-founders of Avaline Wine | #ThePlaybook 279

"On this episode of the playbook, I have Cameron Diaz and Catherine power, the coup founders of Abilene wine and we're GONNA. Talk about how to partners can find the superpowers in each other and what a traditional wine brands are missing when communicating with younger consumers. Join me for all of this in more on the playbook. This is entrepreneurs the playbook. Each week, I bring you some of the greatest athletes, celebrities and entrepreneurs to talk about their personal and professional playbook to success in what made them champions on the field and in the boardroom. I'm your host David Meltzer. This Day meltzer with entrepreneurs the playbook in. I am so excited I have two wonderful co boundaries of Abilene wine may no one of them? That's right. Capital. Catherine. Powers this year he's one of the CO founders with her less known partner Cambodia's welcome to the playbook. Thank you David thanks for having us. Guys are awesome. Well, I love having entrepreneurs who. Have No reason to be an entrepreneur. And you know 'cause to me being an entrepreneur, almost my entire career after law school I. Think about people who are hyper successful what they do like, why would you torture yourself? So my first question to both of you is you know it's hard enough to be on why are you torturing yourself by creating business? I look at it as sort of an a creative endeavor actually. So I think that that's why Katherine and I matched up. So well as because you know I think that we both at this opportunity in this white space as an opportunity to do something really fun with our friends and I'm just I'm along for the ride day. But like I did a master class with Catherine who obviously has two very successful or three very successful. Ventures. Already, she has who what? Where I clean scandal skincare line She has her click media. You know she's a she's a boss. So I just kind of learned from her and and took a master course as we went along and learned so much from her but I think we just really did it because we were having a good time doing it which I think is really important. Yeah I often ask. Businesses start from personal made. So you know everything that I've developed that that has turned into a success is something that I needed personally and then was able to see that others needed that as well as just about having follow through will kind of bring that to market and bring that to life and you know I think. This partnership has been so great because Cameron and I. Just, so passionate about this mission, which is really to champion a new standard in wine and wine drinking We learned so much over the last couple of years as wine consumers in students of this craft and. We we felt compelled to share that with. The world and to offer a solution. And that's really what led us to create offline. You know I spend all of my time focused on this millennial and Gen Z. Consumer and saw her habits changing quite a bit when it came to. You know wellness from trading in groceries for organic has hold products, skin care personal care, and Cameron you know who outside of her career in film? Has, written, two books on the body. She's very deep into the wellness space and we were just sitting there honestly drinking wine and we started to think about like God. There's no ingredients on this label are these is this just grapes like wait? Are they organic because everything we put in our bodies organic nascar of what started it cameras such a curious very detail oriented person that you know we just kind of Lake set her loose on that and and I sat up the the the sort of infrastructure that would ultimately become the offering business and we went through it day to day together, just really learning and figuring it out. Some. Interesting. One thing about adding a need and being creative Villian idea it's also a danger I work with so many different. Will come to me with a great idea and it is I will tell you see so many great ideas. But what makes you bow? So unique is the ability you mentioned the word follow through and it's really execute people love the actor and kind of picked up on the back that you will the boss like your situational knowledge experience. I'm sure the dummy tax paid in order to silicate so many successes, and once you've been able to have walls through. Successive great idea enhances immensely exponentially in fact, I believe. Good ideas with great entrepreneurs like you cap him. Will be successful then you combine what I call a bud light. I'm blessed to have all been quarterback. By partner, Iran be Steinberg the sports agency and I really elevated or escalated the products and services that we work with by using this bug light and people think it's easy to attract someone like cameron to your product service back we all know how many. Alcohol it came. Just endorsed by product it Kim Kardashian hosted by post I would be a billionaire it's really not that simple. More importantly come on what are the Skills and the knowledge at outdoor. That attracted you because obviously the only opportunities to endorse into partner multiple people what were some of those skills and capabilities that you saw in Contra? Well, you know. It is funny. It's not an endorser I don't really do endorsements I haven't really had any I've always just sold my own product which was movies for the longest time and then books that I did and then this product is you know because it's Catherine and wind together she didn't bring me onto it. It was really borne completely out of our the two of US connecting on something and then finding that we were both passionate about it because you know it's it's one of those things and I think that this is what Katherine so wonderful at is that she does. She sees not only was it just a personal need for us but her her experiences, an entrepreneur went wait a second. Nobody's thinking about this right now you know nobody's addressing this exact. For this exact consumer and we should we should be us because we really understand as consumer with what I bring to the table with what she brings to the table. We both understood who this consumer was and she had this tools toolbox that she's been Really. You know collecting these tools and and. Upgrading them as weak, she's gone with her career and really making use of you know all of the technologies engagement and you know the community driven aspects of her her her other you know businesses. I just saw how Hedin lockton she was to those communities and how fantastic it was and how she as she as a consumer but her as an entrepreneur, she really really cared about the products that she was bringing her Her consumers and you can look at them. They're not you know. They're so inclusive who, what, where is a zero to plus plus size you know affordable clothing at target totally accessible for all women, all shapes and sizes really beautiful trendy designs that women want but can't afford otherwise. She her skin care line is you know her her no ingredients list is like you know. More than is usually what is on the list of for everybody else's you know products that are going to market and they do it. They're they're create they're taking care of the issues with that's needed in the skin care, but it's clean and it's affordable at a drugstore price. So when you look at somebody who? Goes after or wants to provide for a large swath consumers in his non-exclusive and wants to be inclusive for me. That's like everything I don't want to be exclusive. I don't WanNa tell I don't WanNA create a product that's only for one person I want it to be for everyone So that was really where I think we kind of are the spirit was part of the spirit of this so that we every conversation we were talking about, how can we make this inclusive? How can we create a community around this product that people are going to understand it's for them and it's there's Believe it, is. Affordable. Cabinet it's interesting to you know it's always remarkable. Not Cure like you where huge companies billion, dollar industry, how do they miss you know having? Know, it seems to me cbd they have tried to. Infuse. Every single product and seeing opposites spilled was samples of people try and. I give thank goodness I get you Kinda all the time as well. Some great celebrities endorsing boxing wind had Dan ackroyd with this. Great. But it's When? I sit there and think come on youtube or a glass of wine in somehow you figure figured out nobody has organic wine in. This extraordinary idea. Yes I mean I think. There are organic wines out there right are organic vineyards and I think the disconnect has been around Parenti and the connection and understanding of the consumer. So when we set out on this journey, we did not know about why did not know about the winemaking process where the first to admit that but you know what we've lack in expertise in that area we we know the consumer we know the consumer really well, and I think that you know traditional wind bran have not been able to keep up with this consumer in the way that you know a lot of other categories of business frankly have like beauty or fashion. and. So we saw that as a real opportunity because it's not you know just something where you can go hire a big consulting firm out to help you figure it out. It starts you know you have to integrate it into your culture on this idea of having this always on conversation with your community having one on one conversations with them to truly understand their needs. I mean something as simple as you know the when we went to create offline, which you is clean, a wine made from organic grapes with no added sugars colors concentrates says you know it is often added to to commercial line You know we did a big research project around the onset from. Online surveys to shop alongs at retailers, focus groups and something simple that we understood was that the consumer, this modern consumer who's spending the majority of money around wine and continues to become the biggest part of the market. Is really looking for different things than that on the label than what the tradition, why brands are giving her. So you know she's she doesn't need to know that you know the vintage or that on. You know about tear are she really wants to know is this made from organic grapes you know is it doesn't have any headed sugar she wants to know does it fit in with her lifestyle? Is this a brand I can connect with and? I. Think Aesthetically. When you look at our brand, oddly you'll see the difference in how we're speaking to the consumer. So. That that's really I, think where the disconnect was for the industry. Have such great. These Muslims do what I call owning the customer on the companies I looked verd- heart is yours are. Really own that community and every time you have answered specific to community your. Customer and both of you through the various careers in successes you've had that audience synergistic but yet you know partner. Whole rate saying about partnerships outdoor always told me a rules of partnership. No one ever going to a partnership to if you WANNA partner to make sure your partner has more than you. Don't listen to rule letter to go back to rule number. I feel the energy tween you to yacht really sometimes what you? Almost, feel the tension between the two partners that are the symbiotic synergy in supplemental thoughts that you're having and Co Promotion I. Love The back when I asked capital questions do promoting cameron. Captured. Like. A marriage is a purpose. For advice with the entrepreneurs out there, what are some of either the mindset or the challenges with any partnership eating when you to look you know circles at it together you know what are some of the great as you can give for that mindset? I. Think you know first of all, having a partner is so much better than not having a partner. You if you can find your match you. I. Guess like marriage right so you know it is much easier and much more fun to a lot of this together the good times the bad times I've had a very successful partnership with a co founder in who what wear over the last fourteen years who incidentally has a birthday one day away from Cameron's I don't think it's a coincidence. To work with Virgo. I think the key really when it comes to partnership is being aligned on the mission, but having a very different skill set so. You know what Cameron is really strong at. which is you know that the actual process of the winemaking she's a great. You know educator in a great student. She's incredibly detail oriented. She gets granular she doesn't miss a single thing. The storytelling telling you know obviously she's. You know everyone loves a lovable person where I'm kind of like, okay. What's The gross margin? How can we improve at end? What's the cheapest way to get the product even the United States so it's it's very different skill sets yet were very aligned on this mission to to bring cleaner wine out into the world. Reunite. Business are. People kind of overlooked how involved educated. Like Syria like he is my mask. Or Milanese Majesty of columnist lessons because to be the best in the world is something you know not to suck up to year one of the greatest actors of all time lear you're the bath and. Over. This. Count it. Right. It's like when Brad Pitt was on Letterman and you're so good looking that's why you're successful and Brad Pitt said you'll be good looking people there are in the world I'm an actor. I find is people have. Is. Spirit of excellence, which obviously captured is proven announcer northern world that it really carries over into every single thing that they did that they're hyper de Ville that the kid sleep at night because they have to get all. What I call a commentator that you must be what you can't be What do you find is your most complementaries said to Catherine's obviously ill experience. Knowledge he has in owning this community in distributing it to. I think that we both have the same mindset. That, there's never a problem. There's always a solution. Whatever challenges? And we came up against when we when we say we knew nothing about this. Process and the alcohol industry of you have any knowledge of how the alcohol industry works. It's very, very challenging. There's all you come up against a lot of regulations on a federal level on a state level and so we. Really kind of learned as we went, we took meetings with every person who would sit down with us whether they were in the wine or the spirit world and We really just tried to understand how to bring this product to market, and there was a lot of challenges and we continue to go through fine newlyweds I can I can't even imagine how there's more. There are. But took him right or each every time we just gotta go. Okay. So how are we GONNA? How are we going to make this work and we I think we have respect for one another's instincts. We both have the same instincts. There's never a time. I can't think of a time where you know I we tried to overrule one another with our year. What we thought was the right. Thing to do, we can always see each other side and I respect so much her experience and her her gut, and I think she respects mine and so we are always talking about these things as a solution. There's no ego involved. There is no like I to be right in this. It's like what's the best thing off lane? Do we this work and what is it that we both have to understand? New to both of us, and then for me, a lot of times was to just go like to Virtue Catherine's experiences an entrepreneur to say you know what what should what's the best result? How do we get the best result What do we do for the best outcome and? You know that's just get to learn where I just get to go like, oh, I understand and. Watch her do her her magic So I don't have any ego and this I don't really have to be where you know I I don't know I'm just trying to you know I think also like when we went on our trip to Europe You know I'm sort of like the logistics person you know Catherine's like we get there. You know it's like I'm a logistics person and she's like the you know the scheduling this is what we're going to do. This is how we're GonNa do it, and then I this is how we're going to get there and then when we're there fairly carrying my bag city airport to get the door. Is Unlike. I was. kind of like a pack mule. Am I gave Riggan Sherpa I can just carry as many bags. It doesn't matter. It's like if there's thirty I gotTA. Bag is I'm I'm like your time. Bring me bags I know these are just like we're in Europe for like four days and we've just got what we can throw on our bag but we did EasyJet EasyJet was not easy at all. Tournament Hall we run across like but entire airports plus get through security plus run fourteen gates. It was just like almost barely made our flight but. That's being said We you know when we're act the vineyards and were there with you know our our potential partners. Are you know I'm like she that I'm connecting with the the soil with the great. So the farming and the forming process and the winemaking process, and you know the storage and the cavs and all of the things that you know the wine itself, the process of it and she's going. Okay. So. What's your acceler? Get to that, what is include all the things that were she needs and then and literally just doing the math wherever we're at I'm going we gotta get on this freeway. We gotta get on that how we got to take this exit. She's like on the back of an envelope like doing like four. So but we need to do is or like north. Exactly, you know so. We're we're we're getting. We're both getting US their. Way. Different skill sets you know. So this bit to finish up I would be missing ask. Your Best Worl of Ice Catherine, I was great successes could share especially three teenage daughters that I love more as a female perspective is vying with me. You're speaking to buy three teenage daughters. What advice would you give out your vice and then Kevin will finish with you? Yeah. I, mean I think you know find something you love to do and then figure out a way to get paid for it. So I think when you when you come at it from that direction you you will be set up for a very fulfilling career. I think that's the perfect advice. Honestly I would give that same advice. You should never feel like you're working in should never feel like you're getting paid for what you love. You'll never feel like you're working. So when I'm making a movie, I'm not getting paid to act I'll spend months on end working doing. Twelve hour days, eighteen hour days. But what they pay me for is the press. Naming a lot of money to do that press. Daily. Hubadoo that. My Activities I get paid or an activity I don't learn to love because you both extraordinary success and I've been blessed as Wyoming I think my biggest minds lasting is the ability to find the light, the love and the lessons that sock that exists in everybody's careers. So you you and I both know that they look where you have been single. Oh I want to be catherine I want to be Dave I WANNA be in, but they don't realize how much all the same percentage of sock exists in our lives is really good at finding the light love and the lessons and figuring out how to get as much activity get paid for as we can. Yes. That's why. Find that balance you know making the movies is the joy. The is the hard part in this so far you know we've I think the joy has been to have a finished product and had received by our community that we made it for and have them really appreciate it. You know. And know that we made it for them and we understood them and we took the time to create this for them because it didn't exist before in this way are the way that we're giving it to them. The way that we are speaking to them they understand and that's very gratifying. ADS available in over forty three days. Think now. So they go out, grab it, give it a try closed his goods eastern extraordinary people. You can't go wrong and it's avoidable by the way I believe wind. Thank you Cameron. Thank you Catherine. Supply. His. Bouncer. Entrepreneur. By, hope you enjoyed this week's episode of the playbook as much as me on a personal note I, just wanted to thank everyone for making the playbook such a success. 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Cemetery Smith

A Scary Home Companion

58:40 min | 11 months ago

Cemetery Smith

"In small towns scary stories tent linger in Mutate. Small towns sounds are where people settle and raise families so generations stay in the same locale it places like that stories stories can take root they can grow and they can bloom into a life all their own. After enough time passes it gets to be that no one remembers which parts of the stories are true and which parts got made meet up Abilene Vermont was one of those places population eight thousand but but dropping fast abilene never been a big town but now it was dying still. It was the kind of place where everyone had roots and the history of the area blended bright in with the rumor. On top of the small molehill overlooking Abilene was the Smith cemetery and as long as there had been in Abilene the Smith family had tended Ed to the debt. Lots of stories about the smiths over the years unholy practices devil worship ship cannibalism disposing of bodies for the government scientific experiments on the dead mass graves for the freed blacks who had settled abilene after the civil war a circle of gravestones where the devil danced all all kinds of crazy shit but no one in the history of the Smith. Family had generated as many stories as Terry Harry when he was still a boy Terry Smith had killed his parents and then he prepared their bodies he dressed them in their funerary finest and he dug them a pair of unmarked graves. Somewhere deep in the cemetery police could never find the bodies so the boy had never been charged with anything one day. The police came for him. Anyway take him and put him with social services. Terry Smith Life was already gone. He just vanished. And that was it for over a decade and then the lights of the Smith House up on the hill came back on Terry Smith had returned as a grown man. No one knew when or how or where he had been all they knew was that in the light of the moon. Now you could see tall. Gaunt figure standing on the roof of his house on the hill watching the town as it slept the townsfolk said that he hunted victims. They said the just before dawn he still ran his crematorium Toria and they said he was always digging fresh graves. He was a man of mystery and as the town died the stories about him only thrived he had become the bogeyman of Abilene they. He called Him Cemetery Smith. WHOA drinking whiskey in the kitchen telling scary stories around the fire? Music monsters and mayhem. Am Keller's cannibals and colts fearful fiction and furious fact toll tails and terrible truths. This is a scary the home companion abilene. Choline wasn't yet a ghost town but it was long dead and everyone there knew it. This was particularly hard on on the young people. Teenagers are prone to rebellion acts of bad judgment in the first place but when you trap them in a town like abilene where they had no future and no one they knew had a future. There was all the more reason to make bad decisions. which is what led Gretchen Gorman? To go out late at night to a place she should not go with boys. She should not be with Gretchen and stolen a six pack and and half a bottle of wine for courage. She was joining Stan and Bobby and they were going to hop the fence and sneak into into the Smith Cemetery. Word was there. Were some incredible. old-timey crips up there dating back to the beginning of the town. How if you climbed up top and sat on the roof you could look out over Abilene and under the night? Sky Actually looked pretty. Even though Gretchen knew that this was reckless and stupid she just couldn't resist. She could not bring herself to accept the fact that this sack of Shit town could ever looked pretty under any circumstances stances so she had to see it with her own eyes besides even in the worst of the nightmare. Worst case Scenarios Barrios even if all the horror stories about the place where true then cemetery Smith catch them and Bake Bake Them Alive in his hellfire furnace which to Gretchen. Didn't seem that much worse than going back to her house afterward. Her father would no doubt be drunk. Want to know where she went and what happened to his booze. There's one more more thing that can lead to bad decisions for teenagers or anyone else feeling numb and Gretchen who is most certainly feeling. We know so far removed from feeling a connection to anyone or anything she'd started started cutting herself when she was thirteen and now at age sixteen she already outgrown it. Not for healthy reasons. Not because she realized it was harmful and out because it didn't still hurt it because it didn't hurt enough it wasn't harmful enough not anymore. So maybe breaking into the graveyard and getting chased by the bogeyman would cut through the fog or maybe getting drunk and fooling around in that graveyard with these two idiots might make her feel something. Stanton Bobby were idiots. They were cute ish cute enough for Abilene bullying standards anyway. Well cuter not standing. Bobby Work Quite idiots. Let's she thought they had a lot more on their minds. They were well aware of Gretchen. Problems was at home. Stan Bobby knew about her depression. Her cutting her daddy issues. They had several long conversations and decided with all those factors added together. If they got Gretchen alone in gave her a few drinks and a little attention there was no way she could say no to be clear. I need this to be clear. These weren't the type of young men who consider themselves rapists the R.. Word never seemed appropriate to them. They just considered someone like Gretchen lower than them on the food. Chain so to speak on some level Gretchen might have even suspected this. This wasn't a bad decision born of ignorance on her part. But one of self-destruction Gretchen Gretchen. Met Up with Stan and bobby at the end of the footpath behind the old elementary school and they walked through the woods. They were quite Mostly all of them nervous for different reasons. The boys had scouted ahead and they knew of crooked tree that was easy to climb time so they could jump over the fence along the wooded side of the graveyard. It was an easy in an only slightly more difficult Out they found themselves along the edge of a massive field of oddly identical gravestones. The Grass here was immaculate. The graves all swept clean well tended and the markers were we're in rows so perfectly laid out that a hundred stones turned into one when she walked past first off to the left near the front of the place where the crypts once arrived. It was time to break out the party. Favours wine beer cigarettes. Even a little weed combined all made Gretchen a little more relaxed I but it seemed only make the boys more tents. They had altogether stopped looking at her. They were staring at each each other now. Like waiting for the other to make the first move wasn't a seduction. Stan and bobby were Hyenas jackals stalking her. Saddest thing about these boys was it had never crossed their minds. Either one of them to ask her who knows. Maybe a friendly request for sex might have yielded some consensual results. It just not occurred to them this. It was all about getting Gretchen in a position where she couldn't say no or at least if she did no one would hear. You're her what's the matter with you guys. She asked him her then as she studied their faces quickly looking back and forth between them her she sussed out what was about to happen. Listen she started to say but she didn't get any further that before. Both boys gasped and looked behind her Gretchen. Turn to see a tall lean man Dan standing between two of the CRIPS. He was wearing old yellow boots with matching gloves and plastic butcher's smock the yellow was all splattered with old gray meat in congealed. Bits of Gu. That might have at one point. been part of a human being. His mouth was covered with a surgical mask. His eyes with protective goggles and around his waist was utility belt. Overflowing with tools and surgical instruments with long long confidence Strides Cemetery Smith crossed the distance between them and grabbed stand by the shirt collar. He bent down announced so low. Their faces were only an inch apart. He said I know where you live the pretty Blue House with the car out front on blocks that car. That's where you hide. Fight it. That's where you hide what you take and if they find out what you're doing the hurt you won't they boy they he can't see you but I see you go and the boy took off at a dead run. Bobby desperately wanted to follow his friend. You wanted to run but he was too scared. He was petrified. It took everything he had not to piss himself. In front of Gretchen Cemetery. Smith I pointed it bobby and slowly approached as he spoke you after school. Who'll you go out into the woods behind the church where you think you're alone and that's where the man meets you? He gives you money. What do you do for him? Boy You think nobody knows but everyone everyone will know if I decide to tell them. He turned his back to bobby and the boy found the courage to run now. The bogeyman stared down Gretchen. G stared right back. He didn't scare her. She had half a bottle of wine and a joint in her. Nothing scared her except for going back home he walked up to Gretchen. He grabbed her right hand by the wrist. His rubber rubber gloves were damp sticky. He placed her hand palm flat against his chest and he pressed crest there. He said Your father touches. You like this. She gasped watch me. He grabbed her index finger with one hand and he placed the other on the back of a wrist. Right work and act adore hand like this. He pushed back with the one hand and he pulled with the other. It was ever so gentle just a demonstration but it still felt like her wrist and her finger would both snap. He let her go. He stared at her for a moment. His pupils were like pinpricks. The Blue Surgical mask wasn't moving almost like he wasn't breathing slowly. He reached for her breast. She snatched three middle fingers and part at the back of his wrist. No he said one finger is enough. He demonstrated one versus three tour. One you can snap quick. Three three makes a struggle. It shouldn't be a struggle. It should be one. Motion slowly reached for her again and she grabbed his finger and his wrist. And she got it right. He pulled away from her nodded and then walked back towards his house go home. He said if Gretchen experience resonates with you oh because of sexual abuse yours or someone else's it is not your fault you do not have to keep silent island. There is help for you. Please reach out to rain. The Rape Abuse and incest national network. You can get help. Twenty four seven by calling eight hundred six five six. Hope you can go to their website R. A. I N. N. Dot Org and chat anonymously with a trained professional waiting to hear your story if you are compelled to do more to help consider donating financial leader rain. Ninety five cents of every dollar raised goes to support survivors Gretchen. Carter break that night. Her father had come into a room so we hadn't found that she was missing. She climbed back in through. Her window. SAT cross-legged on the window bench staring up at that House on the hill. She wondered word of Cemetery. Smith was looking back at her for the next few days. She could not get him out of her mind. She searched online for Info on him. Got Nothing she checked out. The library got nothing there is nothing since the death. Notices of Terry's parents heritz she started to ask around and everyone she talked to always told the same stories the ones she had already heard that he'd killed his parents. That he was a devil worshipper that he still killed people and he burned them up and his crematorium at school. Both both Stan and bobby avoided looking at her altogether. The way they would turn away when she entered the room gave her a feeling she wasn't used to. She felt almost safe at least from those two assholes. Still Not at home that Friday afternoon. When she got home she found her father had returned from work? Early in knee was already drinking sitting on the couch watching the news and the bad news on TV was scary but the bad news in his drunken gaze was terrifying. You look just like your mother ever tell you that he slurred and when he groped hoped her breast she acted on instinct and she snapped his finger twisting it back until a touch the back of his hand he slapped her with surprising ferocity as she lay on the floor. She listened to him grab his keys. Still swearing in storm out of the House. After he was gone she started to laugh. She looked out the window up towards the cemetery shouted to use seed. Need that after that Gretchen. Father started acting the same way as stand bobby. You're afraid to look at her uncomfortable to be around. Her Gretchen hadn't felt this good in years in the situation between Gretchen and her father was complicated. It was problematic problematic and it was upsetting her mother and run off a couple years ago and after that her father battled Donald pressure and he started using a lot of pills started drinking a lot of liquor. He didn't thank. The Gretchen. Knew he was filling up water bottles as with vodka before work. She knew she thank God. She was a late bloomer. Otherwise all Louis trouble might have started earlier but the first time was when she was fifteen she and her father were watching. TV v on the couch knee gave her the strangest look. He leaned in close and he brushed the hair out of her face behind her ear. He told her how much she looks like her mother. A few minutes later half passed asked out. He started kissing on the side of her neck groping her chest when she told him the next day he cried and he begged forgiveness on his knees. He explained claim that he just. He missed her her mother so much and now that she was a woman she looked so much like her and he got confused refused because of the pills the drinking and he was so so sorry and it sounded like he meant like he believed moved and so she tried to believe too and he stopped taking the pills but it still happened happened again and again he would fondle her. You would hold her down kiss her and then afterwards would cry and he would weep on the floor of her feet and begged forgiveness and it wasn't that Gretchen ever believed him and it wasn't that Gretchen ever thought that he would actually stop but she hoped her. Mother had abandoned them both without a word she had no no other family. She had no one in the world except for this man except for her dad so she tried to manage the problem as best she could but now after breaking his God damn hand now. The problem was actually feeling fucking manage for the first time when she went home after school. She wasn't afraid throughout the next few days Gretchen kept asking around about the man on the hill. Finally she decided couldn't hurt to talk to the law as one of the only lawyers in town her father had been friendly with Sheriff Guerrero for some time and so Gretchen had known him in passing. He seemed like a friendly man. He certainly loved his dogs when she walked into his office before she could open her mouth. The Sheriff said to her. Let me guess you WanNa know about cemetery. Metairie Smith how did you know. She asked well young lady because he called me a few days ago and from the report that he gave me. It sounded like you and Bobby and Stan went up there to get stoned. Is that about the long and the short of Groton started to shut down and regret this whole thing. Don't worry sheriff said I'm not GonNa you tell Your Dad I get abilene small town. There's not much to do. You're a teenager houses. Hand by the way Gretchen. Said I think it's getting better. Okay then so. What are you WANNA know Gretchen? I I bet old Terry freaked you out when he caught you right. He is one weird dude. And Sheriff laughed. You had an entire wall of his office covered with framed. Pictures of him posing with his dogs his bloodhounds. He prided himself himself on those dogs. She asked him about stories about Terry Smith and the sheriff answered her he's a creep. No doubt and I advise you to stay away from him. I mean that those stories people tell they're just stories Terry didn't kill his parents. It was a murder suicide. Terry was the one you found. So he was in shock his whole life he'd spent working in the funeral home so when he found his parents. Dead Ed he just went through the motions. Any processed them like he always process dead bodies. So yes it's true that he fixed him up Sunni dressed them and he buried them. What they don't say is that my predecessor? He dug them up and he had the autopsied seat and Terry did not kill his parents. Terry Smith is just crazy hermit. He lives in his parents old house. He tends the grounds he has like. Fifty cats I swear to God Gretchen. Remember this never never trust a man who prefers cats dogs ever Gretchen. Got Little defensive at that. She said he saved saved me. You know they were going to rape me and he stop them. The sheriff rolled his his is. What did you think was gonNA happen? Going out there with those two bobby and Stan. Dan for Christ's Sakes Gretchen. Don't tell me that you didn't see that coming. I'm not judging okay. It's okay that girls want to explore explore and fuck around. I'd get it's natural but don't act like you didn't know what you were doing. She raged out of there with a storm cloud overhead. Who the fuck was? He'll lecture her. The sheriff putting putting this on her shoulders boys will be fucking boys right. She was livid she punched fence posts all way Home she kicked rocks. She picked up a stick and broke it against a tree. She was tired out in almost relieved of her anger. By the the time she got home she was still a little upset. And perhaps it was because of that because she was upset or perhaps it was because her father hadn't spoken to her in a few days Gretchen didn't notice the empty liquor bottle in living room or the pictures of her mother spread out on the floor. The poor girl she never I saw coming she just gone into the kitchen. She opened up the door to the fridge and she was rooting around for something to eat. When her father came up behind her he grabbed her hair and he ground owned himself against her from behind? Hugh reeked of liquor. He was wearing socks and an unbuttoned unbutton shirt his briefs were polled halfway down his thighs and he was fully exposed. I was waiting for you to get home mindy. He growled Gretchen. Push back and he smashed his cast into the back of her head and she lurched forward. Higer face on the corner of the fridge breaking her nose cracking wonderful teeth. She collapsed to the floor. Her father collapsed on top of her. Mendy baby I need you so bad he pawed at his daughter's clothes. I'm so sorry. Mindy and then. While Gretchen screamed aimed in struggled her father tore her virginity away from her on the kitchen floor and she thought it couldn't get get any worse the pain the humiliation and then he said in a hoarse whisper. I'm so sorry crash. No matter how many tears he had spilled over the years how many times times he said he was sorry she realized on some level that he no he fucking knew what he was doing to his own child and suddenly all the pity that she had ever felt for him turned into acid fucking rage. Her she flailed she pulled away. She pulled him out of her. She crawled across. The kitchen. Gretchen wasn't intending to grab that knife. Somehow it ended up in her hand just the same. Her father was babbling. Baby who baby him. I'm so sorry she turned. She plunged the knife into his chest but it wasn't like TV. It wasn't like the movies at skidded down his ribs and then it caught on the softness of his belly and so she pushed pushed hard until the blade slid all the way through him in the tip poked out the other side. This is how it felt. Dad She whispered. This is how it felt for me. She got up. She stood over her falon father. He was gurgling. Choking being spitting up mouthfuls of blood arms flap but his legs were completely motionless Piss and blood pooled up around him and he reached up for her. She leaned down and she spent on his face. She said Fuck you. It wasn't until he had weed out his last breath. The Gretchen realized she was no longer alone. She looked up. See Cemetery Smith standing in the doorway. He was carrying a heavy black bag. He said we have to work mark quickly. This episode of scary home companion is fictional. But it's based in a scary and very common reality abuse sex trafficking and exploitation happens to children every day in your community darkness. Darkness to light is a nationwide charity working to educate the public and bring an end to the sexual trauma of children. Call eight six six F. O. R. L. I G. H.. T. or text. The word light to seven four one seven four one or visit their website D. Two L. Dot Org Cemetery Smith sat his bag bag down across the room from the body and pulled out a slip on bodysuit next put on a surgical mask and a clean pair of rubber gloves offs and removed a series of tools from his bag tools for the rapid dissembling of carcass. You can't can't see this. He said go pack a bag. She just stared. She was still in shock. What's your name get scratching Gretchen okay? I'm not good at talking talking. I'm not good with people and if I'm being honest I am on a lot of asset right now so me it keeping you comb talking down something that I'm not capable love but I am capable of helping you so I need you to trust Ostby and I need you to go pack a bag. She hustled up to a room and it. It only took a few minutes to grab the things that she would actually need. Then she crept slowly back down. The steps took a seat about halfway the way down to look between the slats of the railing and watch on as cemetery. Smith took her father apart her down to little pieces. He had been filling up a dozen of these thick large plastic bags with slabs labs of wet meat skin Oregon and bone. His work was so fast assured assured his hands rock steady. A skilled butcher breaking a human being down to the most basic elements and then when her father had been packed into bags cemetery. Smith withdrew to his final tool a vacuum sealer. You might as well come in. He said to her clutching ching her backpack to her chest. She stood behind him and watched him heat-sealed a shortage of each bag. And then suck doc the air out of it. Every sealed bag was gently. Placed into the canvas Satchel that he brought with them. What do I do now? She asked him. Well you'RE GONNA have to run your in half to hide what what do we do. Do we have to cover. The evidence would burn the house down. He shook his head no matter what we do. They're gonNA find the blood and they're going to know something happened fire. We'll just make everything worse but they're gonNA find the blood. She said she was starting to panic. Yes and they will know that something bad happened but if they can't find him and they can't find you then they can never know. Walk really happened. His bag was almost full now. Now what why are you doing this. What's what's the bags it's Guerrero and his God? Damned bloodhounds announce this body leaves the house. The dogs are going to follow it. I need to burn it to destroy it to make it ash but I can't leave a trail from here to there. I need a way to move a body without leaving a scent and this is the cheapest way. How did you know what he was doing? She asked him and he looked way from her. He looked to the ground. I was watching. He said I'm always always watching. I was just late. I'm sorry about what he did to you but for what it's worth. You did the right thing Gretchen. They stood inside the back door looking now. Each one of them was holding a bag. Hers contained her whole life. His contained aimed her whole father. Terry wasn't wearing his mask. Now and up-close Gretchen saw that. He had a weak Chin pockmarked face his head was near to shaved but for some reason he still seem crazy he looked at her seem like he never blanket was unnerving. I don't know where to go. She said he told her. Do you remember how you and your friends came in last week. Yes she said. Do you remember exactly. Yes I want you to wait. Wait a few minutes and I want you to retrace those steps. Go exactly that way from your house to mine. Retrace every single step go to the crypts and no further. I'll meet you there. And then he left just like a dark. The patch of wind he just vanished into the treeline. Gretchen stood there and just kept looking out the door for a while. She didn't want to turn around. She didn't WanNa see the house. This shit pile of bricks haven't been a home in two who years so why bothered. Look back to the blood on the floor. Pictures of her mother that fucking plaque on the wall. She made him for Father's Day a million years ago. The one that said I love you daddy. After a few minutes she let herself cry after a few more she made herself stop. She dried her face so that no one would be able to tell and then she went up to the Smith Cemetery retracing retracing exactly every step from the week before she climbed the fence she walked to the crypts and found Terry Smith waiting there for her. He had a shovel digging a hole. There was another shovel Lang next to him. You WanNa help me. He said she dropped her bag. Is this for my dad. No He's in the furnace already ashes to ashes. So then what's the whole four. Well it's for you Gretchen. She picked up the shovel like a weapon. Now now what do you want my help. He said yes. Do you want to get away from the law. Yes of course that I'm going to need you to trust me. I don't understand. She said although she was starting to he told her the sheriff will find your house he will find the blood he will find the evidence he will bring his dogs. The dogs will follow your trail and they will come here no matter where you you go from here. Those dogs will track you. You can't run fast enough. There's only one way I know that I can help you. Oh no please. It's the only way and I won't do it unless you say okay Gretchen. But I want to bury you alive. Just for a couple of hours Gretchen. Had thought about dying. So many times had envisioned the eternal darkness embracing her night after night. It wasn't that hard to agree. How hard could it be right? Eight was just about letting go it wasn't until the hole was dug. The coffin lid close tight in the first thumps of dirt hitting the LID. She realized she had no guarantee whatsoever. That the bogeyman was gonna dig her back up. She might never get out of that box. But of course at this point Oy it was already too late. If you have a child in your life that you care about there is something simple you can and do to help protect them. Listen to them talk to them. Stranger danger is real but the danger from people they they know is even more common if they say a person makes them uncomfortable. Don't dismiss that kids have strong instincts even if they can't verbalize this them don't judge or jump to conclusions. Listen be present create an environment where they are comfortable after telling you the little things so they can feel comfortable telling you the big things if and when they tell you the big things believe them. If you need help learning how to talk to children about sensitive subjects or help learning how to listen you can find information and resources At Child Mind Dot Org help them get the help they need just after nine. Am I'm sheriff. Guerrero rolled up to the front gates of Smith Cemetery. He brought all three of his deputies with them a gun on his hip. Hip and six bloodhounds at his feet. Terry buzzed the gates. Open and sauntered out front to meet his guests I he was wearing shorts. Flip flops and a disgusting yellowed wife Beater under shirt underneath. His skin was out Bino Pale and his limbs I'm naturally hairless let's face it is an off-putting looking individual. Terry was holding a a half empty bottle of beer. And if he didn't stink of weed smoke wasn't through lack of trying the acid mostly worn off but he was still three sheets and stoned as hell also should be because he should be acting naturally. Right Hello Terry. What can help you with today? Sheriff Sheriff said the girl told me about at the other day. Yeah she's missing. Oh is that so. Her father is missing to Terry finished his beer. I don't know what this has to do with me sheriff. There's a lot of blood in their house Terry. The dogs they brought me here Terry looked into the neck of his empty beer bottle ziff searching for for more hidden away he said. I still don't follow you. Sheriff what are you say. I'm saying the dogs Augsburg say the girl came here. Maybe the father to behind him through the door. Terry's cats were going nuts and you'd think this would put off the bloodhounds no dice. These dogs were laser focused three four dozen. Hissing felines. Terry couldn't keep count. They didn't even register these dogs. They were on. The sent. Guerrero stared Terry. He was searching him for a lie. He was searching him for a sign of weakness. Terry kept his face slack. Coffin that size. The one Gretchen was in. You're it holds enough air to keep her breathing for about two hours after that it got real dicey especially really considering how she might hyperventilate. At one point or another two hours might be the upper limit and she'd been down there for almost an hour already took a lot longer to fill a grave than you may think and they'd put it off for as long as possible. Once the sheriff started coming this way. He had to bury her by his clock. Gretchen had about an hour worth of air left laughed reasonably speaking in the sheriff's Long Lang with looks were wearing down his patients but he kept cool cool he kept composed. The sheriff took two of his deputies and the dogs to follow the scent. The third deputy stayed with Terry but Terry ended up following the dogs to like. Hey I want to see what they find. He pointed out to the sheriff. Or if we're Gretchen Bobby and stand climbed over the fence. And then where they had hung out even pointed out the roads. They left from their joint elite in a broken beer bottle by the crypts. She came here. The Sheriff said convinced. Well Yeah Yeah Terry said. She came here last week like you already know. They came here right here. He said this Standing four feet over aggressions coffin. He wondered if the wood of the coffin lid grown from his weight. He wondered if she were to panic now with the sheriff hear her cries. The dogs followed the sent down down the fence to the overhanging tree and then back again to the crypts and no further. See Terry Harry said just like. I said she's not here man. I don't know what you want from me but this girl here. She came here last week to call all off your Goddamn dogs. The Sheriff decided to take a look around himself so he left the dogs to the deputies and he went inside the house it was old it was still filled with all of his parents. Things Rankin musty crawling with scores of ugly hissing using feral cats up on the roof of the house overlooking the town he found eight different telescopes bolted to the edge. There was a lawn chair. A cooler a mason jar filled with hundreds of spent joints cigarettes. This was the place where he sat and watched the town every night. Sheriff found the crematorium was still warm. Were at visit. The bottom of it wasn't enough. Finally he recalled the whole squad. Do the front gates there was nothing. Actionable here Terry. Waved at them as they left. Ran Ran up to the roof and he watched through the scopes making sure the cops were leaving for real and not faking him out and once he was convinced they were gone own. He grabbed shovel and ran back to the crypts Gretchen. had been down there for an hour. Forty five Terry Doug as fast as he could and he was skinny he was scrawny but this kid had been digging graves since he could walk so is bony frame was ropy with muscles under his pasty skin and he dug fast he dug efficient. He tapped his shovel blade on the top of the coffin lid three times a moment later. Three taps came back when that LID cracked open. Gretchen breathed in in the sweetest. Freshest air she had ever tasted Terry helped her out of the hole and she sat on the edge for a few minutes with her feet dangling how many people get to sit on their own open. Grave Terry stood nearby leaning on his shovel watching. Finally she said I killed told my dad. He nodded what happens now. He shook his head. I I I don't know you disappeared for a while. Terry where did you go. His face kind of scrunched up at a sour memory. He said data. You can't go where I went but I know a guy who might help. He knows people and he's good at solving problems. How would you feel about going to Harlem? Gresham was never seen in the town of Abilene Vermont. Again because of that a new local legend was born while some of the townsfolk whispered cemetery Smith struck again and made a father and daughter. Disappear in a splash of blood other people most people the people that knew the Gorman's told a different story. They suspected that the daughter had gone crazy and murdered her dad. She was so depressed Gothic. And did you know that she cut herself. She got obsessed with that old devil around the hill. Somehow he gotten into her head and turned her into an Acolyte Devil worshipper and killer around Abilene from that point on they only spoke of her in hushed tones and and they called her Gretchen Gore. Uh Uh mm-hmm. Aw Aw thank you for listening to another episode road of a scary home companion. This episode is dedicated to the children of the secret. Secret all of you you know who you are and I feel okay. So down to brass tacks. This episode was produced and edited by Jeff Davidson with inserts produced by my lovely wife. Jamie Lee Hensley. Although the author Andrew Vox was in no way associated with this episode if I didn't in credit him as a sort of spiritual godfather to this story I would feel a little dishonest. The music was provided by Dr Turtle with Rotisserie graveyard prophecy son with trapped and of course the theme music provided by Chelsea talks and dine. You can find a scary home companion on social media twitter facebook and instagram or email l.. Me Directly at a scary home companion at g mail DOT COM. Please subscribe to the show through. ITUNES spotify Pandora iheartradio iheartradio pod. Jaser stitcher Google podcasts or right here at buzzed. Sprout ooh ooh

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Episode #1553: The New Phil Hendrie Show

"This is Dr Eh you and a lot of complaining from people saying why is this possibly can I'm letting you know that I break all the rules and wild fool's Day April fools day that's what I call it because this week in Vampires with Dr Arthur Barnes many people not as far as I know my father and my mother in law the oldest of the Barn family my father in law or my daughter Abilene prettiest town I ain't never seen you know the song and they were they were discovered in Temecula in a home a three bedroom home ranch but one thing that does not exist in this universe or any other vampires host of you and beyond my youth I life but that's supportive of it yes that's part of it and as I was thing of the night that I used to go the vampire and found out it did not exist Dr Arthur Barn was a clown and perhaps I was e c you'll notice the intensity of my mood here tonight years ago started many many years ago when I was a younger man a younger old about in my tweed jacket in my books and a pipe with no pipe tobacco looking for his vampires and I swore a blood oath that I would if possible that was one I thought there would be many the spawn of which would descend upon Kansas State University and tripping and leg dragging on dead some people they in turn would be infected fed upon I'm dead flesh sloughing I can't even think of it I can't Oh compiler hunters in all of civilization who since has come this is Dr Arthur bar doing voice because I don't have any staff it's just probably not the first one to do that joke I do have an engineer ego Runsen who's out of the room right you heard by open and you and I have done this weekend and week out for quite you know a lot of unanswered questions right I know all about the it wasn't really a dog and I said that stranger the blood I was puffing but very slim budget here no no I understand I understand Eagle rumps and as I said it's worked with a never really was and they never really was so I was yeah you thought you was because you thought that was vampires not the Halloween makeup right so but what I'm saying you because everybody knows that there was no vampires yes that you might say that's there might be that place let's go back to nineteen eighties. It was driving dot Co Inca Boulevard the corner of Columbia and Sunset Boulevard the newspaper or something I was on my way to the Henry Show I was a guest when he was working at K. and you said that you've seen vampire reading comic book it back check them out we caught up with him at a motel out there just past the Hollywood freeway out there it's called a melt say did you didn't even ask him any questions why no no question because his flesh didn't help you have the US you're the one of the vampire afloat is good to people come and go show me the bad head again the back and that's have you done gratis all right if I'm not getting paid I'm not give away Rumson I I can't stand after a while I can't stand listening to him you know I'm sure you understand as listened to Rumson tell me you're talking to me you're talking to you that's right yes right we'll be right back after animals that way truth be told so my you'll love blue dot com blue an existing I would have been eating blue shoe and I would have been there relaxing find the dosage and active ingredient that is best for you to ables can work fast to Viagra Cialis I called Viagra called Viagra but I team no in person doctor visit no awkward conversation no waiting in line to the pharmacy in the U. S. A. Blue gives you confidence when you use the Promo Code Fill P. H. L. Phil just pay her five dollars no ego Rumson so it never let it be said that I'm the only one doing the announcing there's Arthur bond will throw open the phone lines and see we've had anyone have any experience whatsoever with vampires I didn't you do the doctor born show on Halloween why awesome and gypsum laying about on the sidewalks of the world waiting for someone to drop and that's why I'm here and that's why hopefully you're here to it's the Vira Dr Born Hi yes the Cape sitting on my chest and suffocating me that's called Phoney Baloney fool oh I don't have I'm screening my own calls I'd hold on I have to talk to I slept myself in the face empire sightings this'll be the seven hundred week we've seen no vampires hire sightings none whatsoever all right let's go to our phone calls be promised you I think tips as a mid race are we doing amid period the time trying to find the right word aren't you you well no it was a couple of weeks ago we met a few weeks ago and I it always afternoon it's called between the thinker replied thanks for your call you'll see I demand if you're going to start that you be specific you see when I found out there were no vampires I I just me being being mean be me being being being this week in Vampires with Dr Arthur Barnes will

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Whats your Responsibility towards yourself?

Untie the knots of Life

05:33 min | 1 year ago

Whats your Responsibility towards yourself?

"<music> hub whopa originals haney <hes> i was lucky to be part of your book shops and also bottle shadow healing ailing and sold healing <hes> i do understand and i realized that you know who doing those sessions and workshops. The healing is initiated associated however would night those after the workshop off the sessions. It's not that you completely healed. There is certain walk okay required drama and so can you shed more light on that. Thank you so much krishna for asking this excellent question now. Consider this a soul which has divinely planned to have a sole contract with someone who probably this existence as a hilo has actually. We decided to break the pattern which had been since aeons. God knows how many generations it is a habit and gazed in the cell memory of the soil either by the words of the lineages has decided to pick up in this life or the soldier's journey aboard which now it has decided to release this or as we call it he now something which has been added within since such longtime might not gene release images image. It isn't it so however every time a session is done the leaders are peeling off and as long as the person dead on stage days of observation mode healing underway even be on the sessions so at the human level situations but it still come to but now how you respond to them will showcase the progress you remember. You've seen those transformative than enough to stories now here. The dense story is ancient but the after story is underway as soon as one has deaconess weaken the step towards themselves. I hope this answers your query. Yes that definitely does make sense now. How would like to all to understand as an should how. I can contribute to my healing krishna you asking this question. Just shows that how much you feel responsible for your own healing and and just by doing that you have taken the responsibility of healing yourself but let me answer this for you. Saw a oh you can contribute to your healing is by giving yourself time and not expecting an overnight shift a lot of times people feel that they are broken and does need healing or their metoo believe that they are broken and does need healing the limo of this mindset from your psyche. No one is broken. Yes i repeat it. No-one is broken and that's not the base of healing any victories the all your to learn and experience just that the owner at different stages of learning and experiencing so off st in an observation without attaching any expectation or judgment on yourself the next thing you can do and it might seem very easy but is highly effective is to breed completely. Yes a full beep breathing in and affoil deep bet out this releases oxygen and some very important hormones in abilene and as long as you have had your brain there on it's a child's play that takes me to the next edition connect with your inner child imagine your inner child self and visualize pam the bidding her and giving her all that she had ever wanted in your visual associations brain doesn't understand whether something is julie happening in the three d. or not it understand feelings on the basis of these feelings releases those hormones which creates taught which creates a reality so give it that feeling in your visualization okay krishna. I must say that today today. Through your queries a lot of people have got their answers and that means a lot. Thank you for becoming a conduit and to all the other listeners of indicted not of life. I'm looking forward to you all writing to me. In case you have any query or any suggestion which will help in undying the nuts of your life or that of others you can get in touch with me on my what's up also my my number is nine eight seven nine four eight zero one four and i will connect with you soon next week misguide the daddy help <hes> would it's not just the nikkei yep clear that abby of nevada's launch kinda happy hobos studio website bridges stuck at it ekman again that ended up knuckled podcast launched getting yet he no he studio there by up ludi avi he ep of nepad cut launch mickey sin themoth on step smith though sodomy of podcast shoot there yet just hawthorne papa simply content.

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Happy Hour #305: Megan Lively

The Happy Hour with Jamie Ivey

44:18 min | 3 months ago

Happy Hour #305: Megan Lively

"This podcast is brought to you by spotify premium, introducing spotify premium do it's designed for couples and duos reciting under one roof. Get all benefits of your own premium account times to that means free music with unlimited skips, plus the abilities to listen on demand and off line with spotify do oh, you get to accounts and no account disruptions and your own personalized playlists from a huge catalog of music and podcasts like the happy hour that. that. You're listening to right now. You can develop your own taste. Profile and spotify duo includes the benefits of sharing with your loved one with duo mix the shared playlist for two. It helps you keep up with changes in your partners, musical tastes, and allows you to continue exploring new music and enjoy music together. If you're currently sharing your spotify account with your partner, chances are you've gotten frustrated with your daily mixed playlists, not reflecting. Reflecting your own personal taste, maybe even gotten into fights over it. spotify do is here to help. Make Your House more peaceful friends I personally I love nineties, country and I love nineties hip hop I know I'm a little weird on that and my husband air well, neither one of those are his favourite, and so I ended up getting all his music that he picks on our shared account, and then he gets mine and it's just. Just one big mess. This is why I love spotify do it's our one subscription to accounts so I can keep my playlist as I like, and he can keep his as he likes where we could still have easy access to each other's playlist, we went to explore new music. Premium duo is available at attractive price of ninety nine a month in the US for two people who reside at the same address, terms and conditions apply. This podcast is brought to you by spotify premium, introducing spotify premium duo get all the benefits of your own premium account times to add free music with unlimited skips, plus the ability to listen on demand and offline, which spotify duo you get to accounts and no account disruptions premium do is available at an attractive price of twelve ninety nine a month in the US for two people who reside at the same address, terms and conditions apply. Hey friends and welcome to the happy hour. Jamie Ivy podcast I'm your host Jamie and I'm so glad you're here each week on this show. I invited girlfriend to join me and we chat about the big things. I've the little things in life and everything in between. Happy. Wednesday my friends. The conversation today is one that I've been wanting to have on the happy hour for close to a year I met Meghan lively last year at an event at the. that. We were both speaking at. I was invited to share on the topic of how to care for your friends as they face healing from abuse. It's an important topic in one church often doesn't do well. Meghan was there to share her story. She's GonNa share parts of that story with us today you see. Meghan was raped while in seminary. She reported that rape and then nothing happened. Fast forward. Fifteen years later, and Megan told her husband for the first time about the incident. He was in fact the first person that she had told since she reported it all those years ago. Meghan I have talked before, and after this interview about what we hopeless will understand from hearing this episode today. We hope that you'll hear number one. How not to handle a report of abuse as happened to magnitude? And you'll hear what that felt like for her. To not be seen to be believed to not be taken care of and number to see what the right and Biblical and appropriate response to abuse reported like Shakespeare's into dozen eighteen all those years later, the response was affirming and life, giving and life changing for her. These two experiences offer Megan a unique perspective and I hope they offer all of us standing knowledge and wisdom with how we might respond when learning about abuse before we get to my conversation with Megan and he'd ask you. Do you subscribe to our newsletter if you do? Did you see what? What we announced last week, we announced that registration for are happy hour in Israel with barely cobbled trip has officially opened. If you missed the email I, go to Jamie Ivy DOT COM sign up for our newsletter our promise, we won't spam you. We send weekly emails with details about our guests that we have on the show. Fun Things we WANNA share and all the information that you need to know for upcoming events. The second place ago is Jamie Ivy dot com slash Israel trip. You're going to see all the information about the trip there. All right friends. Here is my conversation with my friend Megan. Hey Megan welcome to the happy hour. Jamie thank you. This is a super exciting and I've been wanting to have you on since I met you. was that last fall, or was it eighteen years ago now I can't even remember where time has gone. When did they meet you? Think we met in Dallas last fall. Was it lasts while carrying the carrying well conference right Um that era elsie puts on and I. Met you there and heard you share your story and I immediately I was like i. have this girl in the happy hour? And so here we are, but introduce yourself to my listeners Where do you live tells about your family? What do you do all those fun things okay? My name is Megan lively and I live in eastern North Carolina I married events it who works in insurance at farm bureau. And I love to tell people that he was my insurance agent long before we ever started dating, and I fell in love with him after that so I share that around town because he genuinely a good man, and he loves what he does, he he went to Carolina and majored in sociology and. Fans there was an instant connection mayor and we have two children. Read is twelve and Charlotte. Gray is four going on sixteen. I hear you with that here. We at that. And what is your job? Tell me about what you do. Accompany I created last year abilene it launched in May. It's called relevant. Reach in equips churches, Christian organizations pastures, anyone that works in any type of Christian Ministry on how to do social media, and noticed that there was a lack of resources for small to medium-sized churches and organizations crisis pregnancy centers, even down to FCA these people know the Bible, but they don't know twitter or instagram or what Hashtag is, and so I created an online membership that you can pretty much give your social media. To anyone to a sixty five year old volunteer or A nineteen year, old intern, and it equips you all things. Social Media. I love that. You know that's interesting that you started that. Because I go to church, and so our resources are more than a smaller church, and if we've ever seen the differences and what that does, it's when we all had to go online church online church has been this crazy thing that our church is fully capable of doing. We pull off. You know great Sunday services that we put on mine every single week and I remember I think Oh gosh who said it I saw it on twitter pastor. He's in Dallas now. He used to live in new. York City and I can't remember his name and I feel so bad about that because he's a friend of Erin's. He said early on into quarantine. He said all you. Small churches do not feel sad. When you watch the bigger churches or do like just use their resources, and it's just interesting. I'm so thankful that you did that because there is this divide between what a small church and a large church can do but. But. They still have so much so many amazing people that know the Bible and need to get it out there, so Kudos to you and then some mission field I. Think for Pastor who you may say well, I don't use instagram or I. Don't use facebook while you're people. Are there your community? Is there the lost or there? And why would you not take advantage of a free resource when you can I I see social media's mission field instead of as drama and. Focus on the big three and at at twitter, facebook and instagram and I think by doing gun inside the membership. People aren't as overwhelmed because they might know. Two of three are one of those three but I teach them how to effectively use those to reach people in their communities for Christ and love them and to engage with current members online. Yeah, I, love it. Do you talk account? I don't even let me eat. You all. Know better no I mean I have it on my phone. Because someone sent me a video once I needed to watch it or something I've never done it I don't think I ever will like you and I are both over forty, so I just I'm wondering where that cut off for Tiktok users to put videos were Sharon. Miller posted a few things I was like I. I feel so old, but I've never used a lot of snapchat or Tiktok, because either can't use it for business or marketing, and so if you can't market your church and Essay Market Your Church I. Don't mean you sell your church. I mean you reach people through the insides for sure and so I. Don't focus on the What the Ayrshire books on what the younger people are doing because we need the younger people in our churches, so maybe I should change model and thank you for that. You when you add Tiktok and you let me know and I'm going to sign up for the class like learn how to do Tiktok Megan. La I met you mentioned at a conference that the Air L. C. which is the ethics and religious liberty I never the. What is the Commission Commission I was going to be like committee conference. It's an arm of the southern. Baptist, convention and I'm just one of the biggest fans of what the earl she is and I. met you at their conference that they put on caring well and the conference was. You can cut me if I'm wrong because you shared your story there, the conference was kind of A. Response to what we're seeing in. Church and specifically in the Southern Baptist churches, because that's worth. The arm of the Eero see comes off of and you shared your story on stage and I wrote a murder. That was your first time to ever share your story publicly. Well Okay we'll put a Lincoln to it. I just recently watched it again, and you did such a great job. Thank you. It wasn't something to be celebrated. It was a very sobering thing, and I was so full of motion that I think you could really see that. Come Out, and I was trying to hold back when they're literally. On stage, but there was a part of made that wanted to wait from grace that we were having this conference, but there was a part of me. Also that was like full of gratefulness Ma. Part was just a full that we were having its conversation. Yeah, at the same time. Yeah, we're GONNA talk more about that I. WanNa, if you just before we talk about. How do we have these conversations well and? and. How do we care for people who have been sexually abused? I would like for you to just share some of your stories. We have a little back to know where you're coming from. So take me back to you know two, thousand, three, two, thousand and two wherever you WANNA. Start that begins unfortunately where your story begins with sexual abuse. Okay I was in seminary I began in two, thousand and two and. Had started dating a young man and. I was right, and it took me fifteen years to say that work. which has been extremely difficult, reported it the very next day, and for the good of the calls was told will handle. This in house will take care of this. There was some discipline involved, and it was taken care of on campus so. I was discouraged from filing police report and I went back to my apartment, and my roommate was there and I never told her. I was told not to tell pastor so I told no one. I just swallowed it and I. It stayed deep inside me. And I just I don't know how I've got an identical twin sister. She laughs at me a lot and I'm heading in a different direction now, but there are a lot of bad things from our childhood that I've allowed myself to forget, and she'll remind me and I have no knowledge of it. And then she reminds me Oh my. Oh, yeah! I remember that now, but she. It's nice to have a twin sister because it's double the memory. So fast forward fifteen years I started seeing some things in the news, and a began remembering and I started having horrible dreams. I learned later that a lot of what I was experiencing is called complex trauma or PTSD. And I became very angry. Simply angry and one night after our children went to sleep, my husband said what is wrong with you Megan. And I told him what happened. But at the time I still didn't use toward right because I was convinced I was still convinced as thirty something year old woman that I wasn't right because truce again had been reversed, and he immediately said you're right Megan and love me and he didn't. He wasn't angry. That I hadn't told him before we got married or before the end he he loved me. He embraced made his motivation at that point was to protect me from anything and everything that came out way. Yeah, a couple questions for you for small until just before, but I'm really sorry. That happens knowing what you know now on the other side of this a little bit. Can you kind of educate us that are listening as to? What would motivate or would keep a woman from not wanting to disclose that to like? You said you went home, and you saw your roommate and you didn't even say anything to her. Can you just kind of educate us and let us into your mind and your heart a little bit so that we can be a little bit more empathetic because that's what we want here is. We want to say like because you know it angers me when I hear, people say like Oh will. She would have said something, and we just know that that's not true with our brains work and how everything works. Educate us a little bit on maybe what that was for you and then what you've learned through therapy about maybe why that experience of you stuffing. Nat Down was where you went in that time. I think the biggest emotional dealt with in two thousand and three shame. I put myself there or allowed myself to go there or allowed myself to be around. This man that I went to church with and I went to class with, and I had only been dating for two weeks. Did anyone say those things to or did you just put those things on yourself? Not said specifically it was implied and again the Mommy twenty-three-year-old is very complex, but at the same time what was done the opposite of what should have been done especially complimentary and men they love and protect and fight like my husband's yet. and He loves Jesus. You can love Jesus and still fight for a woman and bike for the silence, and the broken, and the biggest area would be Shane. I was embarrassed. I didn't want anyone to know. Especially after reporting what happened and the response that I got in the questions that was asked. I thought off I go to the police department. They're gonNA. Ask the same questions, and I'm going to have to retell the story so instead of retelling the story I will never share about it again, and that will keep me safe. Because in that moment I didn't feel six young, and for years and years I didn't. There was internal battles going on within me that I didn't realize until later, but shame is huge in. Shame will keep women silent. And that shame is not yours to carrying, and it's not from the Lord, either it is not when when our identities are aligned with Christ, and when the words of Jesus are louder than the words of those around us or the words or line or your critics, it really allows you to do a one eighty. And you have confidence in a as I. Don't mean that more of a Christ like humility, humble confidence in who you are, and you are finally comfortable in sharing truth yeah. You mentioned that you felt like these men that you discloses to should for you, which is true they should have. They should have taken care of. You should should've been their number one priority and they weren't they kind of push. Things aside said we'll take care of it and did not take care of a woman who had been deeply hurt on their watch. How did that affect your relationship? With the Church, I mean! Did you finish seminary there? What does that do for you? As a twenty three year old woman who had not been taken care of by the people that should have taken care of her well, there's stubbornness in me. And so i. was the Terminator Finish? So stayed in school until two thousand five I left because my grandfather got sick and my daddy being an only child was going to put them in a home and I said no heck. No, I'm Pat. Myself and I moved in with him within a twenty four hour period that had to withdraw from school, but let me be clear. My relationship with God never changed Bremmer relationship with the church changed my relationship with seminary with southern. Baptist General I stayed away from all SBC politics seminary when we would drive through the city where the scenery was my husband, there's a restaurant that I love their I always making going in different directions, and he never asked why, but yet it inspected. Many things church relationships with people. But God. Never let go on me. He never ever let go. And I know there are a lot of women that struggle in their relationship with God because they were abused in seminary in a church, setting or ministry said. And I wish I could break off parts of my faith, and just give give them a little bit and share that with them because I. Look back and I see where God carried me through every single year. The good the bad. That healing. I, have a few daily habits that I enjoy so much like my walks with my dogs, I love walking my dogs and my neighborhood. I love drinking my coffee every single morning. Also good is that Flamingo believes that self care starts the products you use every day. That's why they make shaving and waxing products empowering you to look and feel your best I love how my legs feel. 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For the first time, I love the way you talk about your man, and I met him there at that conference, and it is very evident that he has loved you well through this, and he has stood by your side, and he has helped you and I. Don't think that this is an unusual situation that a woman would carry such burden in shame and not even reveal it to her husband. I. Think you could probably answer this better. Better but this seems like this is a common scenario because a woman would be so afraid. Can you talk to me about the journey that you've been on since you said that your husband for the first time since you said the word rape for the first time. What does that journey? Look like for you with healing? What with my husband I believe it is started long before he was born, his mama logs She loves Jesus more than anyone. I've ever seen I WANNA to grow up and be like her. Name is betty show. And she raised a Godly man by example to get starts by having godly parents that love Jesus and they view all things through the lens of scripture, and not through politics, or what would the will? The Deacons Think Church if my daughter did this, or what would someone else in our church snake? If my daughter got pregnant outside of marriage? You love your children. You love them well, and you will raise up. Strong adults and I liked that I liked a lot of what. Had in hamster. He strengthened hand that that never waver. and. The very next day. He dragged me kicking and screaming tire pastor because he he didn't know what to do. And my pastor bless his heart had no idea. I, couldn't. I couldn't tell the story against events and told the story and. He didn't say. Are you sure this happened? Or why are you just telling me this now? Why didn't you share the sooner? He didn't say well. Let's just pray about it and it'll go away. He wasn't afraid to be silent. He just sat there literally put his head in his hands. And he whips and we all did. He responded in a way that wasn't expecting because of the response that I had received. And, so he also encouraged me to go to. My doctor I wasn't sleeping. I wasn't eating well, I want. My entire body my mind, my heart everything and you know I'm grateful for the the journey that God took you on when you share with your husband and with your pasture. WHO's lovingly responded? The way that you deserve. You know fifteen years earlier that you didn't get and you know it's also. I love that. He said you should go see your doctor. Because what we know about. Trauma is that it doesn't just happen and then is this isolated thing that it affects so many things about our lives and affects our bodies our sleep. Our mental health are physical health, emotional health, our spiritual health like it it can affect everything and so grateful for that pastor of yours that you had I'm. I'm curious Meghan because I don't have my timeline straight in my head. Can you tell me when you first said this your husband in the to pastor? What state was our culture in with the me too movement? What had bats happened or started aware was that can you can get my timeline? Straighten to? This was spring of two thousand, eighteen. Okay, and I wasn't empowered by the me, too. Movement I had never heard of church to or SBC to. I was not empowered by a political HASHTAG. Empowered an I'm getting a little bit ahead of myself. After disclosing to my husband pastor and began thinking older, Maggie more women like me were silence around the same time by the same people. And so I was empowered from what I read in scripture. And I didn't want there to be other women. Silence in confused walking around the world that strangers I. don't even know so. That's empowered to come forward and share publicly. What happened? And did you find others? Yes, I did what was that journey like I agreed? I feel responsible. I hurt I felt some responsibility that if I had gone to the authorities, if I had been more public at the time, which Amanda was not even an option at twenty three years old. It never crossed my mind. Do anything else. It's so difficult because you know. You mentioned that you weren't empowered by this statement or Hashtag or political movement I'm wondering if the reason that you mentioned that to me is because people mentioned that to you. was that a part of your story of people going? Okay, so you just want to be a part of a movement and the happen to you. Yes, a movement, a conspiracy theory. A theological shift. There were lots of titles. Put on me all of a sudden, and what's that the logical shifts that they would say the Social Justice Movement? This Instead of people viewing may as an image bearer. They viewed me as a someone that was there to make life magazine. For, the Church and the church needs to be protected. The name of Jesus is not need to be protected. The Church does ninety Dr Protection Yeah at all. so all of a sudden I was labeled as something political something theological. Someone that was out to get someone else. So the I mean. I'm no doctor psychologists, but it sounds like you add now have trauma add it on top of trauma as in like you are being brave, and you're coming forward and saying this happened to me and this is not okay. This might have happened to other people so I'm GONNA. Try to see if it did so we can help. Help each other and prevent this from happening to my daughter when she goes to seminary daughter like you know, you're being a voice for the people who don't, they could stand up and then to have added trauma on top of people who you thought where your your allies, your friends, your people that go to church with Meghan. How did you deal with? With that. Did you ever want to just like crawling hall and say just kidding I? Take it all back. Yes, and I. Tell People that often the human nature side of me looking back now. I would've never told a soul. You really think that, or are you happy that you dad hundred percent a hundred percent? If it were all about Megan, okay. Okay I would have never shared out, maybe told my husband, and that's it, but when I lean into to God and when i Read Scripture Act, could not say quiet for the sake of strangers, people. I didn't know that I knew a newer out there and it. This is a character flaw of mine. Sometimes he's a strength and sometimes there's a weakness. Account can't be Scott and I could not stay. Quiet and Vincent understood that, and he supported every step onto which I haven't said a lot. I'm not a big tweeter. And most of the stuff. I say it's men. This what this person is doing right this year. Got This right. This church got this right and so I honestly try to focus on stories. Around us where folks are getting things, right? For the glory of God instead of being an outspoken critic, and I've found that by using my voice that way I'm heard. I could imagine that now that you have shared your story and talked about this that you have. This would be a fortunately and unfortunately type of situation. Women coming forward to you, saying this happened to me what I do. How how is that been for you to now be the kind of the holder of so many women stories? I would imagine because you feel safe to them. Because there's this common understanding of what it feels like to go through what you and this woman coming to you. How do you handle hearing stories that I would guess would be? Traumatic again for you to have to relive someone else's horror because it reminds me so much of yours in two thousand eighteen I couldn't see the light at the end of the tunnel, and I still don't like. It's a trauma is a journey and I. Think Jackie Hill Perry said at accurate well as as I'm going to be this out of heaven. Okay with it in so many words, and that's spot all I still struggle, and still revert back, and I have my moments, and I'm not perfect, but you know what that keeps me leaning on a perfect God, and so when these women come forward with their stories. I'm encouraged because they are comfortable coming to. To me and I want them to have a safe place to land someone that will hear them and understand what they're saying because a lot of times these when we throw out terms, and we say this or that it doesn't make sense if someone that hasn't been through it. Yeah, and so when I hear a story and I- firm. What's being said and i. hear things that maybe aren't being said. And I asked questions and women go you understand. I didn't have that, and I think if I. Had had more. Women. Around me, I didn't have soul. To Talk to at the time that had been through this journey, but this is a fairly new topic I. Mean I, remember growing up. I think you may have been raised the same way. Our mothers or grandmothers said avoid that man at school or avoid that man at church. We were silent some. Are Mothers and grandmothers and aunts even realize it, but we've been silenced for years for generations. And coming forward and talking about this by older women, sometimes especially is is a bad thing. Yeah, because it was easier to stay quiet, and now I understand why because it's been hard. How do you think that the question of the Hour Megan? How do you think the church is doing now and I? Mean like you know you've seen a lot of conversations. Come up about other things that have happened and without disclosing anything I think I want to ask you as much as you can. Because people are going to be wondering if there has been any resolve to your particular situation, and I clearly understand you can't go into a lot of that, but has there been any resolve to what happened to you, and then. How do you think that we're doing in this area? I can't speak to the hall to the Church or the SBC. I can tell you that my church is amazing. I go to a fairly large church. There's multiple pastors on staff, and a few of our pastors came to during the Dr Christine Blakely Ford. Supreme Court during those was the nomination at I. Don't know if I'm saying that, right. And they said Megan viewed her differently, because I had heard your story and I knew what kept you silent in? What motivated you to come forward? into own local level. I see a lot of change. But I, think we don't ever need to get comfortable and say we've got it all right. We're GONNA come. Along I think there's always areas to improve. The response I got in two thousand and eighteen was the opposite of what I received in two thousand, three the institution and I was protected. I was loved I was tag graduated from. A year ago last month, talking rat. Yes! I got my degree in across that stage so. There is healing in there is closure on the other side of that I went through a process called E. Dr. it is a process in therapy that I went through the total healing, and I'm a big fan of amd are. If you are therapist is licensed in. Can I had to go through an assessment to make sure I can handle it, but we went through that, and it's ironic that you brought up the retraumatize -ation that I went through in two thousand eighteen, because we spent more time on that than we did. In two thousand three cranes I had to get through numerous numerous EMC our sessions about two thousand eighteen than I did two thousand three. Yeah, but he. was very an impatient person. I don't like to use a lot of time or money on me. And my healing I would rather give children and so EMC ours with wanted years of counseling therapy medication, and so for me. It was a very good options and love that that. Friends I would invite you to be a part of a chance to reset and launched the rest of your year on August. Fifteen, I will be speaking at if gatherings leadership event called if lead, here's the cool thing. It's all online this year which I know everything's online this year, but it makes it so much more accessible, which means you can tune in from right where you are guys. We're going to talk about how to embrace these tensions that we felt this year and how we keep moving forward whether you lead toddlers. Toddlers or your see over company or you lead a Bible study in your dorm room or any way that you lead this day is for you. Don't do it alone either invite a few girlfriends over and watch if Lee together on August fifteenth. Come join us. I will be there I hope you'll join us as well. Tickets are on sale right now. Go To, if lead twenty twenty dot com and they started just twenty nine dollars. That's if lead twenty twenty dot com I will see you guys there on August fifteenth. I? 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That's Laurel Springs Dot com slash happy hour for your waived registration V. Laurel Springs dot com slash happy hour. We're according to US in June twenty twenty, so many amazing things are happening in our country right now with acknowledgement of the systematic racism that we've seen for people have color for you know years and years and years four hundred years. This is not something that ended with civil rights movements. We're still seeing this today, and so we're seeing a lot of people rise up and join hands with their brothers and sisters who? Who are black and Brown and one of the things I've noticed and you touched on this a little bit earlier. When you said you were not a movement, you were not this. I'm seeing a lot of people struggle with the HASHTAG black lives matter. Can you tell me your thoughts on this I? Think people are afraid of hashtags. People are afraid of political movements and we need to back away from politics as As belabors I'm speaking to believers when I say this. If our loyalty is to a political party, we will never Milan would scripture because we are loyalty is not to a party. It's to Jesus Christ and our love for Jesus should propel us to on behalf of our neighbors, and in order to love our neighbor well, we've got to love love our neighbor differently and we whoever is hurting the moment whoever is being? Being targeted at the moment is not social justice. It's it's not political. It is you see in the Bible it John. Four reached on forward. I. Mean John for a perfect example of what we're looking at right now. and Jesus wasn't focused on everything going on around him. He was focused on that woman and her healing, and she was different than him. She had lived a lot that was different than him. And she did not understand him in she, but that didn't stop him and it doesn't need to stop odds because it might be misconstrued as political or something. We've never done before. Let's focus on who's being hurt right now. WHO's being targeted? That's what Jesus would be right now and I'm have said many times in the last few years. If Jesus were with us right now, he'd be down at the border. The giving water to women and children and loving man, loving them well speaking black lives, matter I've noticed with in particular Christian circles, the fear of using that phrase and their fear is if I say black lives matter then that means that I'm. I'm a raging liberal, or if I say black lives, matter than you know I swing all the way to the left, and I'm just like I am a socialist, and all the things and I just think as a follower of Jesus that I can say black lives matter hertie boldly because I believe just those three words that black lives matter and I think that is where people get in a little bit of a struggle over if I say this, the people are GonNa. Think this about me. You know and I want to be someone who has conservative views theologically and super liberal views socially. If that makes sense, some executive I'm trying to say. If the line I WANNA to- right there, and I think that can confusing and difficult for some people who have been raised if I say this than this equals that and I think people that struggle with that or even me when I struggle with. How should I purchased subject, or how should I say? Communicate a message that I'm feeling I? Go back to my Bible and I make sure those words are louder than what I'm reading online, and what I'm hearing around me and what I'm seeing the news. And when we see people as made in the image of God, it changes our hearts. And influences our politics. It does it, then we. We don't see it as a divisive issue anymore and like you said it's more important for me to be this than that and for me, it's more important to be loving than not, and if that confuses you as to who I am, politically I'm with that. If. I don't say black lives matter alienating myself from my neighbor, and from sharing the Gospel with someone that does not look like me well that Meghan I am by no means happy about what your life has been through I am one hundred percent happy with the way that you shine the Gospel in every area of your conversations. Even what you talk about how you live your life I hear a lot that proximity changes. Thanks for us if you've never met someone who has come to the country seeking something better for their family and. It might be illegal for them to be here if you've never met someone like that, it's hard to understand what that journey would be like. If you don't have a friend to same sex attracted, it's hard to understand that and for you. You help us understand the next time we hear a woman say this happened to me fifteen years ago and I didn't say anything and someone's response might be. Why didn't she say something fifteen years ago? That doesn't make sense in my brain. Your story helps us understand that and I know that you would never. Never, ask for that story than you would never want to be that for us, but I'm so thankful for you in the way you're handling this part of your story, and he I'm going to in our show notes. Put all the links to all of those talks carrying well conference, because they were so good and years where there's amazing I did not know it was your first one to ever share story, and so thank you for that. Thanks for being honest and thanks for pointing us to Jesus and thanks for sharing your story with us. Gaming. I'm so thankful for Megan's voice, and for her courage to share her story with us. She's a wonderful woman who cares deeply for others who have also been victims of abuse. My prayer is that if you or someone you know is experiencing or has experienced abuse at the hands of a friend, stranger, leader, or spouse I. I wanted to say that I'm sorry I to say that this should. Should not happen to you, and it's not okay. I'm praying that you will be encouraged to tell someone report the abuse to the authorities and reach out to a counselor for care, if you are someone who was told of abuse, my prayers that you'll be an empathetic listener, and that you will take action to help support your friend. They report the abuse to the authorities Megan shared in. In our interview, also about her incredible company that works to provide small churches support in reaching others in a digital age. She would like to offer all of my happy. Our listeners discount off the monthly and annual subscription to relevant reach visit relevant reached dot org slash Jamie for all the details. If you miss it, you should sign up for the newsletter because that's what we put this type. Type of stuff today show was edited and mixed by the team at pod shaper, and the music was developed for the show by Matt Graham Show notes written by Gwen Pearson, and the whole thing is. We're GONNA by Lindsey Sweeney. Friends enjoy your week. 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How Pittsburgh's Mister Rogers talked to children about tragedy

Retropod

06:41 min | 2 years ago

How Pittsburgh's Mister Rogers talked to children about tragedy

"History lovers. I'm Mike Rosen walled with retro pod. A show about the past rediscovered. This past weekend. An unspeakable tragedy occurred in the real life. Pittsburgh neighborhood of Fred Rogers, eleven worshippers shot dead in their synagogue by an alleged anti Semite. So today, we are replaying an episode that recalls his previous work in holding the country's hand through moments of grief. This summer, a wonderful documentary was released about one of my heroes, mister Rogers, the film is remarkable in so many ways, especially as it relates to how Mr. Rogers was so deftly able to enter the national conversation during tragedies he got his first crack at that enormous responsibility. Not long after the show launched in one thousand nine hundred sixty eight. Senator Kennedy called by Senator Kennedy has been shot and another man these were times of chaos and tumble. Senator Robert Kennedy was assassinated Martin Luther King had been killed just weeks before cities burned in then on the night before Kennedy was buried at Arlington National Cemetery, a puppet appeared on television and asked this question. This is sassy nation. Made the puppet was a tiger name. Daniel striped tiger, his voice belong to Fred Rogers. An ordained minister who spoke directly to children, turning his neighborhood of make believe into a village, of empathy knowledge and wonder. In taking on Kennedy's death. Mr. Rogers, gently guided and consoled grieving nation a job he took on again, and again right up to this eleventh two thousand one terrorist attacks, Mr. Rogers approach to addressing tragedy was simple. Listen. Here's what he said in a public service announcement late in life. What children probably need to hear most from us adults is that they can talk with us about anything. And that we will do all we can to keep them safe in any scary time. And then, of course, he said this. I'm always glad to be your neighbor in difficult times, children and adults alike. Knew that Niebuhr would be there. One episode in particular encapsulates mister Rogers approach to difficult conversations. It was an afternoon in the early nineteen eighties following the assassination of John Lennon, the attempted murder of president Ronald Reagan and a series of child murders in Atlanta. Wearing his quintessential cardigan, sweater Rogers looked into homes around the country and said this to adults and children alike. When children see and hear about writing things it's best for them to have an adult close by somebody who loves them and can put their arm around them. So please get a grownup that you love to watch this program with you. He then addressed all the violence that had been in the news recently when I was a boy, and I would hear about something's airy somebody getting badly hurt or something like that. I'd ask my parents or my grandparents about it. And they would usually tell me how they felt about it. They felt sad, of course upset, but there was something. His mother advised a phrase that has tweeted to this day following tragic events. Always look for the people who are helping she tell us you'll always find somebody who's trying to help this approach to dealing with tragedy began with Bobby Kennedy's death. Mr. Rogers stayed up the night before the funeral working on a script the scene. He wrote is astonishing in its simplicity in depth. In the neighborhood of make believe Daniel is talking to lady Abberley, he gives her a balloon, which she promptly blows up. Then she releases the air Daniel choirs about where the air went lady. Lady Abilene explains that the air goes all around people are different centers. She says there goes out and then comes right back. And then Daniel says it. What does this Sassan nation me? Have you heard that would allot today? And I didn't know what it meant. Will it means? Somebody getting killed. In a sort of surprise way. Maybe Abilene asks if Danny would like to come to a picnic with her. No, he said he wasn't feeling too. She tells him that she understands sometimes when you're said, you just don't feel like a picnic. Then Mr. Rogers appears on screen. He said lady Ireland's way of coping was to go off to a that wasn't for Daniel families. Mr. Rogers said should cope with tragedy in whatever way feels right? Maybe that's watching Kennedy's funeral as a family for others. A walk along the river, some kids just wanna strong arm around them. He ended by saying this, quote, I always say to the children you've made this day special day, just by being you. And you have I care deeply about you and your families. I hope you know that. I'm Mike Rosen walled. Thanks for listening and for more forgotten stories from history. Visit Washington Post dot com slash retro pod.

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Spreading Hope to our Military  S2E7

S.H.E.Talks | Spreading Hope Everywhere Talks

33:44 min | 8 months ago

Spreading Hope to our Military S2E7

"Hey thanks along with. St. We're she talks spreading talks where it is our goal to inspire health. Today's topic spreading hope to our militants. You're on first time with us. Ed And lady in our so glad you decided to tune into our pod gas. Yes you did not come across us by chains So do stick around to the end of the episode because we are positive you will hear something that may help you or someone you know. Do a favor and hit. That subscribe button. Follow us on Social Media Hat. We are she talks and don't forget to share our uplifting content with your friends to our regular listeners. Thank you shoot for your support. Head on over to our website spreading hope everywhere talks dot com and let us know if our content has blessed June in any way yes short survey Andrew Balassa coughing. Again we appreciate your. Yes yes selena. These does get right into it all right so you know today. We are speaking on spreading hoped to our military. And you know here. In America we love and we support our military. Our prayers are with him because we are one nation under God And today With all that is going on in the world. We want to lift them. cinnamon occurs. You were to help them. Along the way as they serve and not only that we won't let their families In just be a beacon of light to them because they are sharing in that journey of service to our country and you know we know we believe that God loves them and he cares about them and about this journey that they are on in serving our country and he has gifted them to serve with honors. And with that being said you know we want to impart this word to them to against support incense support from God Through our words through our teaching to let our military know that God loves you he sees you and he is with you so as we're talking about serving serving with honors. Believe it or not. You know we're all created by. God with gifts are tied to others and our gifts are not given by mistake but the given on purpose and the scripture listless know that each of us has received a gift in order to serve others soon and we should use the gift fatefully In other words don't waste your gift. You know if you know that you were called to serve in the military. Then do that do with honors. Do that with integrity and the and may God proud I you know. Make our nation proud. We are proud of you but make God prow with every decision that you make in your serving of the country because we we we we. We got you in prayer we. We have Support for you and not only that. We're here to let you guys said he's with you yes And we know that we have gifts of service it comes with a great responsibility and it comes with a great responsibility because it is directly affect others and again our gifts are not for ourselves they are for others and for the benefit of God and for him to To call you or you felt lead in some way to serve the country. We want you to know that it was not by chance not by mistake. That's right So as we speak about serving and how we should appreciate and show appreciation to those are serving Sometimes you know we need to communicate that more. That's what I'm showing our sort. A hand support but When they're in need. You know even our veterans that have served in the past. We still need to show our support to them Because Once they were where I military alright now serving but now they are at a place of have served and we still should honor them because they did serve. That's why I'm so want to show our appreciation. And just you know. We all communicate. When we see a servicemember Let them know we appreciate your service. We appreciate what you're doing. I'm not everybody can do it. I can do what you're doing so We WanNa take good care of them and as we go into talking about. Servino always bring the word into this but again like I said. We wanted to not only support military by military families. Because you know if they are in need of something you know Deuce if you are in is in your power to help these families you know. Help them out there. The him a helping hand for the mothers that have small children and their husbands are deployed somewhere in this L. In around the world. So you know just show that the acts of love and humanity here in the US to our service members in their families. And I'm just let God use you by showing his love through you to them in any way that it is Needed because we do. We need each other breath but as we talk about Guys LOVE FOR OUR MILITARY. We we want to impart the word of God and how he's always been in the midst of some type of Dealings with armies in and a warring and different things you know. He's he's been right there. He's and he's still there you know and so you know it as like you know in my spirit that you know serving two guys a big deal. I mean I can say is a big deal because even Jesus he came not to be served but to serve and he served with his life as a ransom for many an and although there is no one bud Jesus that can do what he did but there is a gift in the call to serve that Guy Abilene takes very seriously once like I said the military to know our military. We're in America here and we're speaking to our. Us military. Want them to know that God loves you and he is with you and as we speak about how he can be with you in scripture I want to speak in terms of in second kings chapter six versus eight to twenty three where it speaking about Elijah. The Prophet Elisha how he was serving along with The the army of Israel. He wasn't during the fight. He's The prophet. He was the one that the received wisdom from God and he spoke to the King of Israel Who At that? Time was King Jay Haram in this portion of the story We see the Army of God protecting Elisha and What happens is here. We have The King of Syria. He's at war with Israel and so he is a consultant with his officials. In letting them know. Okay I WANNA set up my cab. My campus such a such a place in This is what we do. When we're there and so God allows allies to know to tale the King of Israel You know don't don't go. Pass this place because the Syrian as they gonNA be there. They're going to be camped out. There you go that way. It's going to be a danger and so Of course the King of Israel. Here's this word from God from the The Prophet Elisha He goes back. He sends word to his soldiers and he says okay. We're not going to that place. Because the king of Syria. He is there with his soldiers. And we don't WanNa go through that direction you know could be ambush getting waiting to happen. So you know of course King of Israel. He had to send some idea. Just check it out just to see. And he saw the allies was right. You know there was the soldiers. The Syrian soldiers were there Exactly where the God has spoken to the Prophet Elijah and said that they would be to stay away from the sale. The King of Israel to stay away from the area and his troops keep his troops away from the area so After wow you know this kept happening and the King of Syria. He got enraged. 'cause he was like you know what's going on somebody in my camp some money out against me y'all for the King of Israel what's going on. Why's the King of Israel Norma plans like that and then one of King Ben Hadad? Who's the King of Syria? What of his men said. No you know. He got a profit over there his name lodger and he's telling the King of Israel all the words you speak in your bedroom so you know he even knowing what you say behind closed doors and you know. That's just how God operates you know he can reveal thing Without you even being there if you are forgotten you can hear from Guy He can speak a word of warning. If you are willing to listen in here from God in received direction from guy you can receive that warning before. Something bad happens so Here we have you. You know the King of Syria. He's angry because he's realizing that. The King of Israel's army their camp is finding out what's going on behind closed doors with his plots and his plans against them and so then he decided The King of Syria decides okay. We're GONNA have to get this this this profit allies where he is somebody who find him. Let's go find him. You know. And then some of his men end up finding out where lies was he's in this city called Dothan and so he said okay. Lessons Warriors from charities. See my all my my best people there to find Alisha and so by the morning allies You know where he's staying in Dawson. It is surrounded by the King of Syria's army chariots horses. All surrounding his campaign Elisa servants gets up early and he looks outside. He sees this this this this army of of Syria out here with the horses. The chairs there the circling the city and he goes to Elisha and he was like master. You know what are we going to do you know they? They surrounded us you know. And he was afraid and distilled him and you know and he tells his servant you know. Don't be afraid you know because you don't know who's with us. I have the Army of God is with us more then with us then. They're circling camp right now around us you know and So got so Elisha. Praise to God he says Lord please open his is the hugh may see and so the Lord opens the service is and then he sees on the mountain. It was full of horses and shares of fire surrounding allies. These were the army of the lure that could not be seen with the visible natural. I but was through the spiritual eyes. He sees them so it may not have looked like a lodger had anybody with him but he had the army of God with him. That could not be seen to the natural. I wish mine. He was already guaranteed. The victory did not harm so So here we see then Allies the size to pray and ask the Lord to blind the the the the Syrian army. He says he's a strike this people with blindness and so immediately at the Pray this prayer. Asking God to strike the Syrians where blindness gosh struggling with blindness and none of them could see so allies are those out. And he says 'cause they don't know who he is and they can see him but they can hear a voice and he says Hey I know you're looking for let me this night. It's not here. Let me take you follow me and I lead you there so you know. Dauphin is like ten miles from Samaria and scenarios where His this is the capital city of Israel and so that happens to be where the king of Israel was in his army was here is Alisha. He's leading that Syrian army. They're fully blind because they can't see guys struggling with blind 'cause Elisha Ascott too and he leaves them into Syria and they are basically surrounded by the Israel Israeli army and Elijah's Dan Prays Guidance. Says you know open. Their eyes. Let these searing amen see where they're at and when they opened their eyes they saw there was in the middle Samaria they could have been slaughtered easily but What happened was King of Israel? He comes out and you know. He has much respectful Elisa. He's an older profit of guiding us. He Calls Him Father. He sees him as a father figure and he says Father Shell Killed Them. He kept asking. Shaqille allies. Like no you. You're not gonNA kill them you know why would you take captives you know And then kill him. What's the purpose of this? He said No. When we'RE GONNA do we go home fix them. Some brand watering them a feast and they can eat and drink there. We're GONNA cinematic King Ben Hadad. Who sent him back to their to their master to their king and so that the king of Israel exactly what the profit allies said he prepared this great fees for this Syrian army. This is their enemy. So this is grace in action because the the King of Israel and any point could not ask allows your thing all right my armies try and kill them right now they will vulnerable. They were in the Israeli camp but he did not do that. Elijah bestow the this is what God wants Guy Wants Gray stowed upon them. He doesn't want you to kill them. He wants you to freedom and then send them back and that shows that she was a better king it also shows that you can take people captive and treat them. Well sit back and say look this is this is. Harold does have do things you know. Because I'm following the lead of God if I was doing whatever I wanted to do after calls harmed I could your whole arm but I didn't so you know They feed them. They send them back in the day. That van of Syrians did not come back into Israel game. We don't let them down road. You know it'd be King Ben Hadad Digging Angry Indians you know sent his army troops back into Samir to seize them but my point is from this. All this insane through speakers. Army was a part of this. He was a part of not only keeping Elisha. The Prophet Elisha alive but he was also a part of keeping the army of Israel alive as well and the army of Syria. You Know God you know didn't see fit to have last taken in this you know this this warring against two kings and two against two nations so the thing we need to see is that you know God is in the midst of something you can have enemy surrounding you but it does not mean that they will win a bringing harm to you they will. That does not mean they have victory over you because if the Lord is the one that's fighting a battle that means you don't have to fight all you have to follow guys instructions and you'll receive the treaty already has four ordained for you so when you are called out into a place of the unknown and you are serving in the military arm and you not knowing the pin seeing how the country is going. You don't know if we're you're you're you're going to go to war. Are you just going to to establish peace somewhere and you could have a some soldiers that could be a little bit fearful wondering am I gonNa see my family again or am I saying goodbye to my family for the last time or am I going through term but I am here to tell you that God you to know that he is with you guys for you. He's greater than anyone that could be against you so him being for you things that God doesn't want to see casualties so he does not what God wants. He wants people to live to live out what he put on the inside of them to be revealed to the earth in his to make somebody else's life better and all the we know. There are some casualties in war. You Know God has sent us to say to you. There is hope that you know in you knowing that God is with you. We are speaking this. That God is with you that to you to put your hope your trust in him Your trust shouldn't be in any anything. Us you'll trust shouldn't be in your weapons. They'll trust shouldn't be you know in your your vehicle your arm vehicles. Your trust needs to be in God because one thing about it you know if God has already in a plans set the true going to win then that does not matter what you're carrying it's not married battle with someone else. This AG- issues carrying all that matters guys presence is with you and we know that. God's presence is powerful and think about God. Is You know when we look at some points here leading to just you know to remember you know with grace and work okay. We put our trust in God. He can reveal secret plans of your enemy and he can deliver you from traps that are set for you and not only that guy being for you mean there's more power on your side than you could even realize you know you may not can't see him human. I can see the Army of God with you but God says my army is with you then you can trust and believe that your victory is assured you know and you know. God wants to use people to be that vessel of grace just like the Prophet allies. That can be there to hear from God and to speak a word to on army and said this is what the Lord says and then the army follows that word and then there no casualties you know so positioning and life is very important of. Who's in charge? Can they hear from? God that's what we want somebody that can hear from God and that will want to go on God's plans and not on their own agenda because with God you know gossip the final outcome he sees when we're in trouble but his love for us is that he wants us to come out all right he wants to come out of the sand so we could tell somebody else you know. God did it. God brought us out of this. God brought us out of this place of battle. He brought us out alive and again. I said you know. We know that in certain wars in certain rooms awards. You know the certain you know. Even when you're trying to establish peace in certain lands you know. We know that there are times when the enemy wants to come in discourage you into thinking that you know this is it. You know this is how. It's going to be a certain outcome. That's not going to be too good but you gotta sin is here to say to you that you know. Remember his presence. Remember him no matter where your position whether you're in office? Will you on the field? Whether you patrol you're talking to townspeople no matter. What you were doing guy wants you to know that he is with you. His presence is going with you again. I'm speaking to the military of the USA guys with you. This nation being founded on being one nation under guy was not by mistake. Founding Fathers Knew of God and knew of his goodness and they trusted him as today. We have to steal trust guy that has not changed God is godless for us and as we lift up God s. We lift up. Jesus What you remember something. According to Psalm. Ninety one I just want to read to versus versus wanted to Psalm. Ninety one and this is about safety of buying in the presence of God and it says he who dwells in the secret place of the most high shallow by under the shadow of the Almighty. I will save the Lord. He is my refuge. And My fortress my God in Him. I will trust now. The reason why I believe these to scripture speaks about the secret place of the Most High Guy Let's think about it if you're someplace that his secret then nobody can find. Your enemies can't find you. They can't see they can't locate you. Harm you and if you abiding meaning if you are trusting Inga's so much that you are seeing him ahead of any dangers around you just keeping your eyes fixed on Guy Then you will see that the enemies that may surround you are blinded to not only were. You are but they're blinded on how to capture. You ought to harm you. So that means that you're refuse that you take it and God that focused you taken and got entrusting him It is not going to be visible to your eye but it will be visible to all of the demons of Hail because any one that comes to harm you. They are not sent by God. They are obviously sitting by the enemy. And God is here to say you protected behind my fortress. You protect the behind who I am. I am your focus. I am that strong tower for you. I'm that place of safety for you. And even though you don't see my army surrounding you keeping you say just know that I'm with you and that's guy saying to his sand I am with you. My presence is with you. You know I'm not speaking warded clarinet. Oh I'm just I'm believing God for to bring about peace in some way in some form but regardless of how we get there just know that God is with you you know our trust in God is not something we should take lightly again. You might. You may not. Can't see him physically but one thing about it when you see things happening all around you and it's missing you and it's not harming you you need to stop and think this must only be God because there is no way that I could still be here if it was not four guys so what we want to say to you all is to look look back in your life because everybody should have this testimony will be you want to admit to it or not if you look back to a time in your life but it was a difficult place and you came out of him and you don't know how you came out of it and you may have called it. Look I want you to realize there was no such thing as luck in that situation. It was guy and it was his grace in. His grace upon grace falls upon all of us you know and I'll wants. She didn't know. Is that the reason why he sent his son. Jesus Today on the Cross for the sins of the world. He was raised again with because he was showing that being a servant. Jesus came as a servant onto guys for the people to to serve the people by bringing them life. Bring them lights bringing them truth and knowledge so that they will come out of this place of darkness that was holding them now which was like being captive in a prison camp to buy an army. That you know the of the demonic Kareem was without out would call it you know and and Jesus came to set us free so but him being that example of how we should be one of the you'd be willing to lay down your life for another you know is to me is his way of showing. This is what love looks like. I'm going to sacrifice everything for you. Left Bleed. That's what military does but in doing that. I would say you were doing. Arbel Service You are willing because Jesus was willing to come here to save the last of everyone on this earth that all does it will believe one him as so to me. He showed ensue shows in this day. That you know guys. Love is so great that his presence could come in the form of a human being and enter the bite of human being so that others would know his love even through the human form of being. Jesus Jesus fully assembled still fully. God and God wants us to know that he is still walking this earth with us. He is still his presence here with us. You Know God is spirit but one thing about God is no matter where you are on this earth at what time on this earth guide is there and when God says I'm for you that you could trust him being for you means that he is faithful to fulfill his words. You just like. He was faithful to allies. You and to the The army of Israel. So you know as we you know we bless the name of God today blessed name of the Lord Jesus we we speak about Jesus on every episode because we want people to know of him and know of his goodness gracious in his love because God is guy is for everyone leases for everyone now of course guy wants everyone to receive his son. Jesus because he wants you to partake of the fruit of being able to hear from him because you know with his Holy Spirit. Hard to hear from guys. You don't have a connection to Jesus that only connect to God but God can send people to help you along the way that can hear from him like the Prophet Elijah. That could hear from him So we're here to say on today is to always keep your heart in open to God and open to his son. Jesus and such a way that you will be able to hear from him So that you will be that person that could say that you came out because of guys leading you came out because God directly you you came out because of his grace and you can bring him glory when you tell your story of how he brought you out and we gotta says I am for you again. You could trust. The battle belongs to him and all you have to him to lead you along the way. And that's what we're we're speaking to our military stay in place of hope trusting. That guy will lead you along the way we pray that if you don't know Jesus that you will receive Jesus in your heart as Lord and Savior and know that his love for you is so great distended on across where he gave his life for the last of the world so that we would note. Not only Jesus would that we would know the father that we would know God the one that loves it so much that he wants to be in our lives at all times if he recognized as his love is with us so great that he does not want to see loss of life guys to give a life. He is not the one that takes life. He's the one that gives life but We want you know just to impart hope and onto our military and knowing that guys with you I can't say that enough. God loves you no matter what you face that you're not facing a long look to guy looked Jesus and again if you don't know Jesus my prayer is that you will accept him into your heart and if you do Jeez my prayers you will lean on him for the strength to go through. Whatever you're facing today and know that you will love bygone every one of you loved by God your family loved God and God is watching over your family as well and Again you know less. Show our love because guy uses people to serve others less show our love to them constantly unless keep our eyes on God and keep our ears to hear him so he can direct us on how to show love and how To show our appreciation to our military analogy that to our military. Our prayers go out to you that no matter what you were facing no matter what position you had we know is important. Our prayer is that you will be able to not only hear from God but to have a heart for God and having hard friend's son so that your life will continue to usually be filled with Hearing his voice is nothing like the Voice of God. is something to treasure and to seek all the time to keep ears to hear him so give praise to him. Looked him trust in him and as we close out. You have anything else you you adds to it. Well if you The military families you know while the family member is in the military those military was that are at home taking care of home They are just as important too because The men and women who are out you know five our country. They would not be able to freely do that if they did. Not Have the support of home exactly exactly if you know military family you know. Just reach out the seat would. Can I help you with anything? Is there a? Can I babysit in Do you need run to the store. You just need a our soul to yourself or something like that. Show your support that way as well. We want them to feel supported As a whole you know that's true that's true and like you said they need. They're in need of assistance with anything. Linda hands show the God and show them that they are Care for the we support them. Just like we support their loved ones. That is in the military serving doing A great work and a gracious worrying so is definitely one that I will say is not a selfish for you know because when you put your life on the line for your friend you know there is no other law than there so we just bless you and we just want to close out with a prayer that in the name of Jesus God we lifted every person in the US military and we lift up their families guy. We lift them up God to your throne of grace impre. This grace upon grace will be bestowed upon their lives that you protect every daily walk garbage to protect their mind God to give them sound mind sky giving pace work I give them joy in the midst of any Situation Guy. Give them knowledge and wisdom father guy in everything they do work. I help them by lighting their pack. they they don't step to the to the left without hearing from you guys so they can stay in a place of safety. We thank you for the for the unseen angels as you haven't camped around them for the guy that they are there on assignment to help them to protect them to be with them and God we thank you for the guy that you just put this shield of protection around them guys in such a way that no harm will come near them. Got In the name of Jesus we pray for the guy they will see your hand move in their lives in such a mighty way and we prayed that the families would see your hand move in their lives to God keeping them protecting them providing for them every knee Laura Guy and God just giving them a piece that far guy that their loved ones are in your hands so we thank you father guy that on this day we just declare your word that your presence is with them and we just believe in you got to show for that power that the you alone can do the impossible guy. We believe you can bring peace in the midst of chaos. Kylie's that father God you can bring protection in a place where it cannot even be saying Gaza we thank you the unseen God but you the guy that cannot fail but you can only do guy what is in your will to do in that is father God to be faithful so we pray that they'll look to the hills. Were come as they help. The help comes for you guys. We pray that they know that Guy. They'll trust you no matter what it looks like. We pray trust was staying you extra protect- show them that you are the Great. I am you still the Guy. of the Of America Guy that you are the guy that is over this one nation that is under God. I declare that the US is still one nation guy so we thank you God that we are one under you guy. You will protect this. Great Nation got and protect its citizens skied. So thank you for that deputation on the military wherever they are we send your love got to them. We pray they will fillets strong like a blanket farther guy and we just thank God that the worst. We have spoken on today that you reveal it and bring it to pass clarity. That she will open their eyes. Soc- guy that you are with them and we just blessed them and pray that they don't know you gotta see Jesus into their hearts so they can know you guys just blessed them and we bless all the heroes on today guy. We know this word was for someone and we just bless each person that is the hero only just thank you. God for their lives. Pray blessing from blessing favor upon favor and we break five of God's grace upon grace in Jesus Christ's name Amen. If you haven't already go ahead and subscribe stay in into another discuss this week. Go to spreading everywhere talks dot com slash asked to sadness while you're there and like us on social media sign up for my SP's list of ten months read books for the powerful Spiritual Enlightenment and rain. You check our lady's weekly devos more episodes and if you like merged with positive messaging go on over to our online store joins. 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Luke Bryan Born Here Live Here Die Here Lyrics Discussion

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Luke Bryan Born Here Live Here Die Here Lyrics Discussion

"Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the currently on podcast. Today is Thursday? August thirteenth two, thousand and twenty. It is currently eleven o six am central. Time. Now and this episode of the currently on Podcast I'm going to need you to use your imagination right I'm GonNa need you to imagine yourself and a scene and a scenario that I'm going to describe I'm going to need you to picture yourself in this scene. End this scenario I'm going to do my very best to create a pitcher and I want you to be able to see yourself in it are eight and I I think people are going to. To relate to this in different ways and I think one of the major influences on how that's going to determine how people react. I think the thing that's going to determine how people respond to this scene. This scenario that I'm going to describe I, think what's going to be the number one influence of how people react is going to be where they were born and where they were raised if you were born and raised in Chicago New York Los Angeles I think you're going to react in a way that you may not be able to to relate. Let's put it that way you your reaction may be okay. I I guess I, get it. What's the big deal but if you were born and raised in a small town I think you're going to definitely be able to relate and I. Think, you're definitely going to have stronger feelings about the scene about the scenario that I'm going to try to paint for you. So if you're born in a large town, a large city I, think you're you're going to have one kind of reaction and if you're born in a small town you for born and raised in a small town, you're going to have a different kind of reaction I think your ability to relate to it. It's going to be greatly determined by where you were born and where you were raised and and and what I'm going to try to do I'm going to try my best to paint this picture so that at least everyone can at least. Imagine themself in the scene right I'm going to try to describe this in a way that no matter if you were born in a large city or a small town, you you can go okay I I can. I can kind of get it I I can kind of see myself there and that I'm going to try to do it this way so that at least everyone can relate to it to some level because the way you relate to this scene. It's going to be very important and how you relate to the topic we're going to be discussing and and this is a a situation. I wish I had a table with a lot of people sitting around it and and everyone could throw in their thoughts and opinions because I. Think Everyone's reaction here is going to be very interesting and while I'm GonNa look forward to hearing everyone's reaction who listens to this. So are you ready? All right here is the scene I want to create, view the the scenario I want you to imagine that you're on a road trip. Okay, I think everyone can relate to that. You're on a road trip and you're traveling all across the United States of America. You're traveling all over the United States of America right now if you're listening in another country, you may not be able to relate to that. But try to imagine that you're in the United States of America and you're just traveling all over the country. And you find yourself in the great state of Texas and I'M GONNA. Use Texas for this because well, that's where I live. So I think I can do a better job using Texas in this scenario in this scene. Okay. So you're traveling all over the United States of America and you enter into the great state of Texas and yes, you aware that some Texans we don't like. To refer to Texas as a state, we refer to it as a country and we'd like to somehow convince ourselves that we don't actually belong to the United States of America. Yes. Texas Yeah Texans, have certain. They're they're very proud of their state and they view it as its own independent country but that's that's for a different podcast. Okay. So you're entering into the great state of Texas. And as you begin to drive across the Great State of Texas, you find yourself going into these very small towns these very small towns in Texas. Now I know every state has small towns, but for this scenario, where in Texas, very small towns, little towns you know has two hundred people, three, hundred people, four, hundred people they're not very large. They're they're very small when you kind of look at the town new you depending on where you were. Born and raised you're immediately going to have a reaction like some people in a big city may look at those small towns and go how can anyone live here I can't even imagine living here others from a small city may go. Wow. This would be kind of interesting the live here, but you're going to have some kind of reaction you're going to have different reactions based on where you're born and raised, but you're in a small Texas town. You realize that your gas gauge is showing you that you're empty. So you're like Oh. Find a gas station you find a gas station. You put gas in the car and you realize man. I'm hungry. Is there any? Is there any place to eat around here and so you go into the? Quote Unquote Gas Station Quote Unquote convenience store and you're like, Hey, is there a place to get some food around here and they're like yeah, up up not main street about two blocks you'll see a a little diner, a little restaurant and you're like, okay thanks. So you get into your car and you start driving you realize it's kind of one of those mom and pop diners one of these mom. and Pop restaurants owned by a family. It's not a part of some big chain. It's a little small town diner, little small town restaurant and you're like, okay, you know don't know if the food's going to be any good. But I'm starving I'm in the middle of nowhere Texas in this little small town, and so you decide to go in and you go in you sit down, you're looking at the menu. And you start talking to the waitress, right? And you start you ask the ways waitress. So you have you lived here long and the waitress says, I was born here. I still live here. And I'M GONNA die here. Okay And, you order your food and the waitress walks off now I want you to imagine this. was think about that. How does that? Make you feel here's a woman who was born lived and is going to die in this little small town and the middle of Texas. Is there something like? Are you kinda drawn to that. I did he do you find it like Oh. That's there's some kind of kind of it's. Kind of a you find it a kind of a beautiful thought. There's something. Something about it that you think is kind of cool. It may be. kind of a romantic notion in your mind Oh this person was born here. They're gonNA live here and they're going to die here or do you kinda go oh my goodness. That's horrible that person was born lived in going to die in this little small town in the middle of nowhere. That is sad like you almost feel pity for the person you almost feel like it's pathetic. You almost feel like they've wasted their. You almost feel man what a lot what a waste of human life that they they were given life and they wasted it here in this no no place town in the middle of. Texas. there. There are a waitress they can go anywhere. They didn't do anything. Do you feel sorry for them or do you feel like Oh, that's kind of cool. You kind of have a romantic I'm just I'm using the. Roman. Your I'm just trying to find the words for you. There's something about it. That's kind of cool something that's kind of debate about it or do you just feel total disgust for it now again, I think depending on where you were born and raised, you're born and raised in a large town city New York Chicago you may look at a woman, a man anyone who was born raised and died in a little small town in. Texas as their life being an APP just complete abject failure and that you have pity for them or maybe in large if you're born and raised in alert city, you think there's something interesting about that. If you're born and raised in a small town. Well, you probably are very familiar with that story and you've known people who were born in the small town raising a small town died in the small town and either you either you view that as oh my that's a warning to me to get out of here as fast as possible or maybe maybe you viewed it that way at one point in your life, and then later on, you had a different reaction. Or like. How do you? How do you respond to this? How do you relate to this and the reason I'm bringing this up the reason I want you to imagine this is because of the name of a new album and a new song by Luke Bryan a country artist. All right now some say he ruined country music that's a whole different discussion, right? You like his style of country music or whether you hated he's still listed as a country artist. So I'm going to refer to him as one Luke Bryan and he released a new album. Right and I've got the information right here in front of us, the name of his new album is called born here live here. Die here. Born here. Live here. Die here. That's the name of the album. Now, I think with a title born here live here die here to be honest I. think it needs a different cover the cover is. Luke Bryan sitting on a chair it just smiling just doesn't seem to capture it needs born here live here die here I think the cover needs the the image of a small town I. Think it really does it needs to the image of a small town. Hey maybe you can see the water. Tower. Because of these little small Texas towns you there's always it always seems there's a water tower in the town. So you just you think needs to or maybe the the pitcher of a main street and a little small town I think it really I think the cover. Artwork for the album doesn't really reflect the title and I'm disappointed in that because when when I knew that the album was coming out and that was going to be called born here, live here die here I could think of a million. Photographs of small Texas towns that would fit perfectly for the album cover but they didn't go in that direction. They've featured Luke Bryan sitting in a chair in a building. That doesn't work here. Right a born here live here here. That's my own personal opinion you can. You can you can you're free to disagree but that would just simply mean you're wrong right. So let's look at this. All right. Let's dig into this song born here live here die here. Let's look at the lyrics. Right, and I'm going to be honest with you I'm I. I'm back and forth with these lyrics I struggle with these lyrics and I will explain all of that in a minute. Let's just jump into the song. Are you ready? Here we go. Born here, live here die here, Luke Bryan, the album is currently available currently on all the streaming services here are the lyrics. Bunch of buddies and John. Deere hats. A little crazy but they got my back now let's stop right here. A bunch of buddies and John Deere hats if you ever grew up in a small town especially in Texas. Lots of people wearing a John Deere hats used to be very common back when I was younger. And I don't how Communist still is today. But okay, I picture this. Now again, if you if you're not from a small town, you may not even be able to to that may not mean anything. What? John. Deere hat is it may not even mean anything to you a bunch of buddies and John. Deere, hats a little crazy but they got my back. No every roll through stop signs like the back of my hand. No every row through stop sign like the back of my hand. Now, if if you grew up in a small town, you know that there's some stop signs sometimes then some weird locations and you you know you could just roll right through that stop sign you slow down just to make sure there's no incoming ninety percent chance. There's not going to be anyone coming through so you don't. Worry about stopping and there's not going to be any cops around. There's no sheriffs around. There's no one around. So you're just you know that's the stop sign just look and it's a yield sign. It's not even a stop sign. So if you grow up in a small town, you can relate to that. Again, you can relate to that if you grew up in a small town no every row through stop sign the back of my hand. And every bank where the fish will bite. Now, that's not bank like where you put your money but the Bank of a lake other river. If you grew up in a small town, you probably know every bank where the fish will bite. Still like putting a smile on the face of a girl I've known. Okay. Let me go back to still like putting a smile on the face of a girl I've known since the second grade got a kiss that sweet like lemonade. Now, if you grew up in a small town, you know everyone in the town you grownup grew grew up with these people since kindergarten first grade second grade you know all of them. All right. So he uses the idea still like putting a smile on the face of a girl I've known since the second grade got a kiss that sweet like lemonade she's everything. I need another reason I'll never leave born here. Live here die here from the roots to the boots to the lay me down suit. Yeah I'M GONNA be proud to be right here. Just like my daddy and his daddy did to ride the same roads work the same dirt got go to the same church drank the same beer born here live here die here everybody's gotta find their place some dreams you catch some dreams you chase some people run and some people stay me I'll always be a born here live here die here from the roots to the boots to the lay down suit your I'm going to be proud to be right here just like my daddy and his daddy did to ride the same roads work the same dirt. Go to the same church drank the same beer born here live here die here I'm going to raise one up in the air tonight for all the folks like me here's to the born here live here die here from the roots to the boots to the lay me down sued. Yeah I'm going to be proud to be right here just like my daddy and his daddy did to a ride the same roads work the same dirt go to the same church drank the same beer born here live here die here and that's repeated a number of times now. There's the song. There's the lyrics and there's a lot. There's a lot here that we could talk about and I and I'm going to relate this to my own struggles because that's what I really WanNa get I wanna get to my own struggles but before we do so we need to at least add some context here because Luke Bryan is not the songwriter, he's not the songwriter. So if you if you really listen to Luke Bryan talk about the song, he has a different experience or if you go to spotify and you'll listen to the song spotify. Never thing called storyline and I'm going to read to you what they tell us about the song here. Okay. I'm going to go all the way back. To the beginning he goes this is this is the song that tells such an important part of my life about where I grew up and Leesburg Georgia about I was going to be born there lived there and finish out my days there. Thankfully, I chased my music dreams. All right. So He's acknowledging he did not stay there. He goes. It's so endearing that people are just so content and their world that they grew up in I love what the song says. So Luke Bryan he didn't stay. He didn't born there lived there die there. No, he he chased his dreams he left, but he thinks it's so endearing. That people stay in the town where they were born they. They're born there. They live there in their die there. He says there's something. There's something endearing about that. Now he didn't stay there he left, but he thinks there's something endearing. To it. And I. Think That's interesting. He's he's singing a song almost like bragging about hey, this is where I'm GonNa stay I was born here. This is where I'm going to stay. I'M GONNA die here but that really wasn't the case with Luke Bryan. So I think that that's an interesting. You know how does that impact the way you view the song impacts my view on it a little bit but here's my struggle with it. I was born. In Abilene Texas right now that that's a city of about one hundred, one, thousand, nine, thousand people now think was one, hundred, eight, hundred, seven maybe a hundred thousand people back then okay. It's not a large towns. Let's this is a city in Texas, not a large town, Abilene Texas but. I moved from Abilene Texas, to a little small town. About Twenty minutes south of Abilene Texas called Buffalo gap. Texas. Yes. That's the actual name Buffalo Gap Texas. And Buffalo gap. Texas had a population at that time. I think it around two hundred and eighty nine people. All right. Literally they're a very small town. There was a little a I. Guess you call it a convenience store gas station, convenience store, Stewart's grocery. All right. I would walk to Stewart's grocery that had like a little place you could buy sandwiches. Fresh fruit. Obviously Drinks and candy. Even, sold a cassette tapes. If. You're you're in buffalo gap, Texas. You couldn't the only way we call it going to town back. Then you you went you drove Abilene Abilene Texas that's where the movie theater was. That's where the mall was that that's going to town. But if you're just an and buffalo gap Texas I, mean all you had was Stewart's grocery a you had. We called it Mike's gas station. I don't I don't know why we call it that they had some candy they're in a a coke machine we call it a coke machine, a vending machine where you buy soft drinks. We called recall everything cokes and Texas that was not far from my house. So we could walk there and you know at night Lucas Stewart's grocery closed at like six PM. After six. PM There was nothing open. So if you needed a coke went to the coke machine in front of mice gas. Station. To get a drink I, mean everything was closed. So I grew up at basically I I grew up in a very important part of my life and Buffalo Gap Texas. Now. There was a part of me. That loved Buffalo Gap Texas I love the little town. There was something there about it i. loved it it for some reason when I read. Tom Sawyer. Even though that town was in Missouri next near the Mississippi. River I that that's where that story takes place I was in Buffalo Gap Texas. I still could somehow relate that town buffalo gap just there was something about I just imagined some of the same. There was this a sameness to it. I can't really explain it but there was and there was a lot of things about growing up in Buffalo Gap Texas that was awesome man I played on the train tracks There'd be these a train cars that they would set next to the train tracks we'd play them we would literally hop the train. Ride out into the middle of nowhere and then hop off. There was all these places where we could roam play. Our imaginations would go wild. We we we played like we were in civil war World War. Two, we we played like we in a western and we were the cowboys and and you know all the different things we we ran all over that place we we were able to ride motorcycles everywhere. On I mean there were no there were no cops nobody nobody cared we had road motorcycles everywhere We had a very large portion of land that was getting ready to be developed where there could start building houses. But at that point, there was nothing out there and we had motor motorcycle trails all over the place. Got To go all all over the place. I? Mean it was just I can't even I could sit here spend forever describing that town there was something cool about growing up in that town however. There were other aspects to me. That made me despise growing up in the area that was going to school going to school. There are all these kids who are you know they're? I can't say any I can't say it in a nice way I viewed them as Hicks. These back would hicks who didn't know anything about the rest of the world all they knew was buffalo gap, Tusk, Ola Lawn Texas these are all small towns, the school depending on what grade you're into schools were kind of spread out in these different little small towns. They were all these backwoods Hicks who didn't know. Anything, their life was their life was hunting. I didn't hunt even though I grew up in a small town I didn't hunt they had guns I didn't have a gun they wore cowboy boots. I wasn't going to wear cowboy boots if my life depended upon it when I did ride a horse, I didn't wear boots or penny loafers. Okay. I did not fit in. Let's just say I did they were wrangler Wrangler of my life depended upon it. All Right I. I didn't dress like them talk like them. I didn't do the things. They did I rode motorcycles like them I guess I did that. I played sports like they did, but they went fishing I wasn't going fishing. They went hunting I wasn't going hunting that I just did not fit in. Their music was George Strait and and you know Hank Williams and you just you know. You just name the country artist at the time Randy Travis I don't know. I I'm trying to three some of the. C.. Charlie Daniels Ban I don't even know I don't even remember obviously, it wasn't my scene at the time Willie Nelson I dunno whatever they were listening to. It wasn't in my will house by any I was I was exploring the punk scene. I was listening bands like the clash I. Love Michael Jackson I love to dance I love I mean man I loved break dancing. I mean I was I I did not fit in at all so so high. School and school was this horrific experience. All I could think about is I'm getting out of this place I hate this place I'm I'm Gonna I may have been born here and I may have to live here now but I tell you this I'm not dying I'm getting out I'm getting out of this place I can't stand this place I can't stand these people this place I hate it but at the same time it was conflicted because there was something Had again using this idea of a row romanticized romantic view of buffalo gap. It was like it was it was my. Of Tom Sawyer and huckleberry Finn It's where I grew up and there was something beautiful about it and I loved my experience there but I got out I got out I joined the Air Force Boom I was gone now. Yeah. I had to still stay in Texas for a while had to go to San Antonio to Lackland Air Force Base for basic training then I went to Sheppard Air Force Base in Wichita Texas still another small town in Texas but finally I get my first duty assignment and I'm off to Omaha Nebraska now for me, that's like I'm going to the Big City Omaha Nebraska off Air Force Base, which is actually located in Bellevue Nebraska but man I can remember driving into Omaha looking at the skyline going all the are multiple malls all the record stores concerts man I loved Omaha Nebraska I loved loved. Loved I felt like When I drove into Nebraska I felt like that I had been set free that I finally got away from the Hicks, the backwoods nonsense the foolishness I got away from it. I had been set free a felt alive. And I cherished every second of Omaha. Nebraska I really did I loved it I cherished I never wanted to leave. But of course, the military has ideas. The military was like, Hey, we're GONNA move you. Now you can. You can risk staying here but you chances are you're gone chances are you're not going to make it so what do you want to do? You've got to tell us what you WanNa do I did not wanNA leave. I saw in some ways i. in some ways I wish I would have just wrist risked it and see if I could have stayed there. But that wasn't the way life was going to go I, and so I didn't know what else to do. So I said they said we can We don't know where you're going to end up or you can just choose and I said well. I guess I'll go back to Abilene Texas Diet Air Force bases there I. Guess I'll go back there I'm my thoughts were I had didn't have a good relationship with my father I'll go back and so I ended up back in Appleans X.'s. Let's. ENDED UP I ended up back in that area and I didn't move back to Buffalo gap which twenty minutes away. But I was still in the same area. So I was born there I lived there I left. But then life brought me back and then I'll whole set of circumstances happen. Then left me there. Okay. Because you think on the military I would've left again but things got crazy. I won't go to everything that happened to me in the military but let's just say that didn't happen and then ultimately because of everything that happened medically retired and in you know all everything that happened. So I that's where I then that's probably where I'm going to die. Now there was a part of me that when I was sixteen seventeen if. I if I would have imagine this happening to me I would have probably and I'm not joking probably taking a gun and put a bullet in my head and said that I don't WanNa live that way now I kind of go some ways at times I'm disappointed that I didn't get to stay say in Nebraska or another big city but in other parts of me, I'm like, okay. At at this point in my life, it doesn't really matter I. Think when you're young, it matters more to you can't I can't stay here I gotta get Outta here. Now I know for those of you who live in a big city. What difference does it make born there lived there die there nobody cares nobody views that as like Oh man you were born in New York you you lived in New York and you're GONNA die in New York? Well, that's pathetic. Now you're in New York, city Los, Angeles nobody views it that way, but if you're born Raised and die in a little small town in the middle of nowhere. It's viewed as a failure. There's this big world and this is where you stayed. This is where you're going to die. You. Like going back to the scenario. You almost wanna tell the waitress hey, get in my car you need to escape. We need to get you out of here. We get a break you out of this prison. There's a world out there. You need to see it you need to experience it but. But is there is? Is it a failure? Is it a failure to to stay there now again, Luke Bryan, he didn't stay. He was born in a little small town in Georgia, and he he escaped he chased his dreams, his musical dreams leading to other places. Now is an American idol. You know he's been all over the world I don't even know where he currently lives now, but he's all over the place. So he escaped a little snow, he was born there lived there die there he he's. He's singing about an idea that he thinks is somehow endearing. But it's not his experience. So is it endearing or is it not? Here's here's my take. I think every person I here's the thing. I. Think every person. If you if you. Let me state it. This way I'll look at it from a small town perspective I if you live there if you're born there lived there and die there and you do so just because. It's just what you do like like it's just your default. Is just your default position. That's just what you do your your because you're afraid to risk it. You're afraid to go out there and see the world. You're staying there just because it's comfortable that that. That does seem a little disappointing that doesn't seem enduring that seems kind of said that you just you settled for it because you didn't want to risk it. You didn't want to try anything new stayed with what was comfortable that sad but if there's something about it that you truly find endearing sometimes maybe you have a romanticized view of it and you. Think. There's something quaint something beautiful about just staying in that area. You know everyone you know the town you know every row through stop sign you know every cre-, Every River Creek tank to to fish and catch the fish. You know the best places to go hunting the best places for camping whatever the case may be, whatever it is that's enduring to you. If there's something during to you. I don't think you should be looked down upon for that choice. I don't think you should be but if you're living in that situation and things aren't good. Maybe poverty or whatever. Well. Then at feel said that you didn't try to risk to get out to improve your. Life But there are people who grow up in a big city. and. They live in poverty and they live in a bad situation. Why wouldn't they get out? I'll give you an example when I was growing up in Buffalo. Gap Texas a family moved in. They moved in from Harlem from Harlem, in New York right they do what they had done is the family had grown tired of the issues in the big city violent crime. I don't remember all the issues they got sick of it. The father of the family took out a map basically closed his eyes pointed down and his finger landed on Buffalo gap, Texas. I don't even know how it was on the map and they packed they sold everything. They had put it in a station wagon and moved to Buffalo Gap Texas from Harlem and New York to Buffalo Gap Texas talk about a culture shock. They got out. Now that's just to me as risking trying to chase something trying to find a better way of life. That there's something cool about that as well there. So I think that's cool. I think that's just as cool as the idea maybe you know for some people having this kind of romanticized idea of being born in the town living in the town dying in the town I think it's just as a risk it to go from a big city to a small town just as it's to me, there's something cool about being in a small town in risking it to go see the world, but at the same time. Is there something Something to the idea like I. Now, clearly, Luke Bryan in his lyrics creates this picture of something that he thinks is endearing. Hey they know they're going to work the same dirt drive the same roads go to the same church drink the same beer. There's a sameness to it. Where I'm currently broadcasting from where I'm. Doing this this this is a live broadcast where I'm currently recording this. I'm in the middle of nowhere Texas. That's where I'm currently at in here in a minute when I pack everything up and I'm going to be driving down these country roads in Texas. And I'M GONNA. Look at some of the houses and some of the people they were born here. This is where they've lived and they're going to die here. Is. That is that a failure. As a failure in life. I don't I don't know I i. think there's different ways to one side I can step back and go hey, there's something awesome about it but there's another part of me. That looks at it and go man. There's a big world out there. You never wanted to go see it never wanted to explore it. Never. Wanted to live in it. Never wanted to pursue a different way of life but for some especially those who who may grow up on a farm or ranch, you know it's like generations have farmed that land they raise cattle on that land that's just whatever but do you are you just there because you're kind of trapped there that that doesn't seem like a that's not a pretty picture that seems kind of discouraging. So what what's your reaction to my reaction to the song is I'm just like, oh, like there's a part of me. Young part of me that was like. No, not that won't be born there lived there. No, that's nothing. Get out run while you can, and there's a part of me says I'm I trust me I am glad I got out I needed those ten plus years away I needed it now that I'm back there's times to be honest I still feel like I feel like a failure I feel like I should have got out and stayed out. There's a part of me that says I should have left. There's clear reasons why I'm still here. So there's Times I. Feel like a failure. So I struggle with the song wh, what's your reaction to the song? Born here live here die here Luke Bryan, what's your? Do you feel it? You understand it do you relate to it? Do you see it as a good thing? Do you see it as a bad thing? I know I'm all over the place I. Know I'm just kind of this is kind of a stream of consciousness but this is all what I'm trying to capture for you is when I listened to the song I would listen to it and I would have one reaction listen to it. Again, have another reaction listen to it again, have another reaction, and then I, kind of drew the conclusion I. Don't like this song because I I can't really figure out how I feel about it, and then when I read Luke Bryan talking about the single Y, you know this kind of captures. where I grew up but hey, I got out. I chased my music dreams got out. But Hey I. think it's enduring for the people who stay. Is it Some people stay and and I think in the lyric, he does make the choice some people stay and some people chase their dreams. So if you don't, can your dream be to stay Does that make it less of a dream. But can it be a dream if it's already what you have? GimMe your thoughts. Let me know your opinions, Luke Bryan. Born here, live here die here I'm still conflicted maybe you're I'm conflicted probably because of my experience others of you may be I don't get it who cares but but I bet you even those of you from a big city I bet you though if you were at that restaurant and you met that waitress who said Nope born here, live here going to die here I bet your initial reaction I can almost guarantee your emotional reaction will probably be man that's sad that's pathetic. I bet you it was a negative reaction a bet you your reaction would be negative if you really imagine yourself in that scene. I bet you it would be maybe you find it endearing. If you do explain it to me, you can email me your thoughts news. Dot Com news I F at Yahoo Dot Com that's news I F Yahoo Dot com this kind of took a little different direction than I thought but. I'm processing the lyrics and I would love to get your thoughts and your feedback on it as well. News. I F at Yahoo DOT COM news I F- Y'ALL DOT COM I'll put the song on the currently on radar playlist on spotify and currently on radar playlist on apple music please subscribe to our playlist their updated every day and they tell you the Music that needs to be on your music radar, the music that's our music radar currently on radar playlist, spotify music, follow, subscribe, and check back every day because new music is being added all the time and we'll get born born here lived here die here by Luke Bryan on there we've got another song from the album that I like far better but. There you go you can think about it today and tell me what you think and as I always end the currently on podcast I say this every time life is crazy crazy short. It's crazy short get out there and joy life and no matter where you live. If it's the town you were born in your living and you're gonNA, die get out there and enjoy it enjoy enjoy the small things. There's always things in life that don't go our way enjoy small things and joyous song and joy new album and joy a new movie enjoy a new book. Find Great. Pleasure and those small things it is new music night. So enjoy some new music tonight stay up. Stay up all night. Listen to some music change it up right. Don't don't take for granted all the small things. All right. So there you go. Enjoy life. It's short. Thanks for listening.

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The Batman vs Dracula

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The Batman vs Dracula

"Good afternoon everyone and welcome to the currently on podcast. It is Thursday August the six, two, thousand, twenty. It is currently one thirty PM central time and I'm coming to from Abilene Texas not that that really matters I mean I doubt you've been sitting there going man that currently on podcast I wonder where they record that from? I. Wonder I wonder what city they're coming from I wonder what city the the currently on podcast originates from okay I doubt anyone's been asking that I doubt you even. CARE. But now you know the currently on podcast comes to you from Abilene Texas. So I now you can go to sleep. Now you can move on with the rest of your day I know you've been refusing to eat or sleep until you found that out but now you know, okay, that's not what I'm here to talk about. But yes, currently podcast is Thursday and I hope you're having a good day and well, I'm here to talk to you in this episode of the currently on podcast. About a movie that I recently watched. But before I mentioned the movie. Before I, talk about the movie and Yes, I. Know You already have a pretty good idea. Because you saw the title for this episode. So I know that you already probably have an idea of what movie I'm going to talk about. But before I can mention it before I can talk about it. Before before we can even even get close to that topic. We need to take a step back and I wanna I wanNA talk to you about storytelling storytelling when it comes to storytelling. Do. You have a preferred method of storytelling. Do you have certain forms of storytelling you really like and other forms of storytelling? You're not really a fan of, let's consider some different forms. Some different types of storytelling obviously movies is a type of storytelling movies. Tell stories do you like storytelling in movies TV shows do you like the storytelling and a TV show format professional wrestling. Now this is one that when I mentioned people roll their eyes and laugh at but professional wrestling is a form of storytelling whether you understand it or not. It's a form of storytelling and a lot of times when you mentioned professional wrestling people go what that's stupid. That's ridiculous. That's fake and you'll be like. It's a form of storytelling, and if you think it's fake, you just want to see the new adventures movie. You realize the avengers is not a documentary it's fake name, the movie it's fake, but it's a form of storytelling. So professional wrestling, maybe you're not a fan of that form of storytelling television shows movies. Novels some people love storytelling novels. I think a lot of times people think of storytelling and the form of a novel, but they Kinda Miss it and other and other styles and other forms Music music tell stories, right. So each individual song tells a story that's a form of storytelling. Some people many times don't even consider the lyrics or what it's saying or the story it's. They just like, Oh, I, like the music and they ignore what it's actually say but that really is a form of storytelling I. The complete album sometimes album will be a concept album that will tell a whole story, the album itself. Sometimes, we'll have different themes even if it's not a concept album, it's a form of storytelling podcasting podcasting some podcasting of fall even with under the age of storytelling, they tell stories, which which do you prefer do you have a preference now the reason I mentioned all of these different forms of storytelling is because I watched a movie that has its own form of storytelling because it was an animated movie. And some people when they see an animated movie, they're like. That's that's garbage and they they don't really give it a fair chance now sometimes they do I think a lot of Disney movies. There's been a lot of animated movies that really kind of captured a lot of people's attention and they really appreciated the storytelling and the animated film we could go through a number of them. So I. Think I think maybe that attitude has changed some. Think still some people like That's an animated movie next I'm going to move on but but I think sometimes an animated animated movie can tell a story and a very good way in a very unique way. Obviously, it provides a different kind of a visual format in order to tell said story, which I think can either add to it or maybe it will distract from depending on the story being told and how it's being told it's the same thing. With comic books, comic books is storytelling. Some people who read novels will look at comic books as like that's ridiculous but it's just a different form of storytelling obviously use the utilizing the visual far more than obviously a novel. Where's just using the written word it's all storytelling. My take is you should learn to appreciate all forms of storytelling doesn't matter if it's a movie, it's music of it's wrestling learn to appreciate what is the story who are the characters And then allow yourself to just kind of enter into that world into that storytelling. You know you try to find an emotional connection with the characters you try to you try to be invested in the story and how it's going to pay out and I think that will allow you to enjoy it. If you stand if you're stand offish and you just want to be a critic, everybody wants to be a critic. Just. Enjoy the story. Enjoy the story and go along for the ride. Now I ask all of that because like I said, I just watched animated movie. and. and. One of the one of the goals of the currently on podcast is obviously to talk about what's happening what's currently on and yes I would like to do thirty episodes of day talking about everything. But one of the things I'm going to absolutely just hold true to is I'm going to talk about what I watch because I instead of going out there trying to figure out what other people may want I. Think it's better when I'm just talking about what I watched, what I was invested in what I liked I think I think it makes it more real more organic and A little bit more fun and it may possibly may possibly exposed to things that maybe you're not aware of things that you haven't watched if I just go for what's popular whether you already know about it. So sometimes, I'm going to go a little bit off the beaten path sometimes so far off the beaten path that no one will dare travel down that road down that. was. Not even a path. You won't. You won't travel where I traveled. You're just GONNA stand on the road and said when he comes back I'll I'll pick up I'll pick up from there but he can take that weird journey into wherever he is and some may find this to be a foolish journey but I think it's I think it's interesting. So here's what I watched. The other night currently on Hbo Max if you go to Hbo Max have these different Hubs, there's a DC hub for DC comics. And if you go to the DC hub, there's a lot of DC content and a lot of that is animated movies obviously dealing with DC comics characters, and I was just going through them and I don't even know what time it was. I was looking and I'm like Oh this looks interesting Batman vs Dracula. I'm like, okay, this is a little. You know kind of like I just kind of viewed it as a little b Movie Fun, Batman Vs Dracula. That's a little over the top. That's a little ridiculous. That's. Know Comic Book World. Okay I'M GONNA. Watch it for its animation. I'm GonNa see if the stories any good and I'm just going to enjoy a pop some popcorn. Let's Watch Batman VS Dracula. So I just WanNa bring this to your attention. If you have HBO Max, Get the most out of your subscription, use it and watch everything you have a subscription to a streaming service and you're very picky on what you watch it. Really you're just wasting your money watch anything everything you can but Batman Dracula, I'll give you some basic information. Batman and Dracula the Batman vs Dracula to be exact the Batman vs Dracula. Is a two thousand two. Yeah, it's a two thousand film. It's a two, thousand, five animated film. All right. You see when you start putting all of your words together, the Batman vs Dracula is a two thousand five animated film based on the TV Batman Television series. It has a much darker tone when they say that Batman Television series, they clearly can't be referring to the nineteen sixties I think it was the nineteen sixties Batman Television series, which is a lot of fun to watch it really the Batman television series from the sixties it really is fun to watch I. It really is fun to watch and the. The kind of the remastered high Def Blu Ray version of it looks really good. It's really a lot of fun if you if you have apple TV, you can go to the. Store TV for the TV shows and you can buy you know like the first season for. Maybe twenty dollars it really and as a lot of episodes they're all short but it's kind of fun. It's really a fun show. And I I I I need to go back and finish all of it but I I used to watch that show all the time when I was little I watched it obviously in the seventies night in the sixties I think it was produced in the sixties maybe it was the seventy s I would have to look. I mean look. Let me look here I mean I know. This. Is Not the professional way to do it but I'm just I'm curious. Let's go the Batman. The Batman? T.. V.. Series, there's the animated series. K. Hang on. I'm going to put the Batman. TV series. I'M GONNA. Put nineteen sixties. Batman and Robin the Batman. TV series yes. It was the sixties. The Batman is a nineteen sixties. American. Live Action Television series based on the DC comic book character of the same name When was it made here? Let's see. Do we have years? Nineteen sixties The the one hundred and twenty episodes aired on the ABC network for three seasons from January. The twelfth hundred, sixty six to march the fourteenth nineteen, sixty eight twice weekly for the first two in weekly for the third. All right. There you go of it has been ranked as the eighty second greatest. American. Television show of all time. Now that one is campy over the top. Funny Ridiculous. But. It's a lot of fun. It's hard. It's hard to me. So it's really weird because in my mind, this show went off the air before. See I was born March the second nine, hundred, Sixty, eight off the air. The last episode aired March the fourteenth, nineteen, Sixty, eight, nine, hundred, sixty, eight. So just you know a little a little over a week see. A little over a week within two weeks of my birth. It ended I killed the Batman TV series. I'm sorry it's my fault. It wasn't but so it's weird and from my perspective. Because the show actually ended. Right after I was born but all through the nineteen seventies it was on, it felt like it was on all the time and we watched it. I watched it as a kid over and over and over, and then in the nineteen nineties. When I got to my first military base, an off air force base in Omaha Nebraska Guess what it was on it was on the television there all the time. So it just feels like it's always been around and now it's available and you can get it like I said if you have an apple television, you really should buy it. It's just a lot of fun and if it's the eighty second greatest TV series of all time, you should definitely give it a view and see what made it popular. You may view it as a kid show. Again, this is about storytelling you may view the storytelling is foolish, but there is something. About the jokes and the humor I think it's worth it but. That's not the TV series the Batman vs Dracula is based off of it's based off the. The I think it's based off the animated TV series. I would. I would believe I will say this clearly the Batman vs Dracula if it is based off the TV series obviously, it's much much much darker. It's very, it's it's definitely darker and more serious where the Batman Nineteen Sixty TV series was a very campy and find They say it has a much darker tone than the show. At features, Vicki Vale, and her first animated appearance The film was released to DVD on October the eighteenth two, thousand five and it made its television debut on cartoon network's to to Nami Block on October the twenty second two, thousand, five. So is original rating was TV y seven subsequent airings have carried a TV p. g. rating for violence so Now I know there's some animated movies that have much strong has language and lots of issues. This one doesn't have any of that if your concern. So the kids could watch it but it has a darker tone. It's Batman vs Dracula. So you're gonNA have vampire and you're going to have a lot of this. Here's what I think is I'll just throw some thoughts I. Don't want to give spoilers away. Here's what I'll just give some basic thoughts on the show. I liked the way it begins because it utilizes two of the very famous villains from the Batman Mythology Batman comic books. Batman storytelling got the Penguin and you've got the joker. So you've got these two. You've got these two that are very critical to the storytelling and let's just say the story starts off with someone breaking out of an Assane Asylum are eight. You got them trying to find some hidden treasure hidden gold stolen loot. Okay. Stolen money stolen gold, and next thing you know penguin and joker are both trying to get this hidden treasure, this hidden gold hill hidden thing and what they ultimately discover. Well, joker kind of takes a different turn. You'll. You'll have to see what happens to the joker really really cool turn what happens to the joker but the penguin ultimately while he's trying to. After he's kind of gotten away from the joker and he's going to do this on his own. Well, let's just say he doesn't stumble upon treasure. He stumbles upon Dracula and the next thing you know Dracula has come to and then the chaos ensues So I I love the first part of it I thought was really clever using the joker, the penguin kind of agreed for money a desire to get treasure don't care about anybody else ultimately unleashes the Vampire Count Dracula okay, and we we all know that. Okay. So that that happens that happens. And then so so you transition from that Count Dracula. Now going to try to control the world by you know by you know, basically turning everyone into a pyre into a kind of Zombie type vampire that he can control. That's his evil plot, and of course, Batman has to stop it. I think the first part of the story is very good very told very well with lots of action, the Batman versus the Dracula Interactions. I just feel like, I feel like they had a great concept and I just feel like it doesn't live up to you feel like something's missing you're like man just starting off really good. I was really impressed with the way it started rain thunder and lightning give a good atmosphere, and then we get to the Batman vs Dracula, and I just feel that the conflict between the two. It's like they on one hand they want to show I feel like if they're trying to show how much quote Unquote Batman, GETS BEAT UP BY DRACULA but they don't really I don't think they really make that. And I just feel like the conflict between those two could have gone. I think they've done a little bit more with it. And they ultimately don't ultimately don't You've got this idea of what can defeat. And almost like this idea. DRACULA'S THE SUPERNATURAL SO BATMAN NOT GONNA be able to use normal tools to beat something that a supernatural he's going to have to use something better something different. But then roundabout way he kinda comes back using. Something, he makes to do so you'll have to see I mean, obviously, you know Batmans to win obviously I mean the stories given away from the beginning but how they get their is important. So I I just thought it was a fun concept. I thought it could have been a little bit more fun and I thought that the co you you can see how it plays out between Batman and Dracula and see how it how it. Ends up, but it's called the Batman vs Dracula it's currently available on Hbo Max I would give it. He. I'm not very good at giving ratings because I just try to enjoy what I watch. I'll put it this way. I would say it's it's definitely it's it's an interesting concept and it's fun to watch I'M NOT GONNA I can't say that I'm going to go like, Hey, I'm going to watch this again or this is awesome I can't say that but I think it's fun if you have a subscription HBO Max. And the DC hub. There are all kinds of DC content I know you've got DC universe, but a lot of that DC universe content is being kind of moved over to Hbo Max so I don't know what the future for DC universe streaming service ultimately is but the the Batman vs Dracula currently streaming currently on Hbo Max, a fun good part of the first part could middle part. Okay, and in the conclusion, you can try to see I think the first part is the strongest part. The middle part I think is kind of weak and then the conclusion it's it's kind of it's obviously you already know how it's GonNa go Rhino. Maybe. Maybe you feel like it should be a little bit more. A little anticlimactic. Maybe maybe it's con- I mean you know I think you're going to figure out how Dracula is going to be destroyed very early on and once you figure that out then I think it's a little anticlimactic but it's it's what is it? How long has it? Let me tell you. I think I've got the time time for it here it's eighty three minutes. It's eighty three minutes. So it's not going to take a lot of your time but I think it's worth it and. You know if you've watched any of the animated Batman films or any of the animated films. Justice League any of them. Do you have a favorite? Do you have one that just really liked that is pure gold that is that is the that's the height of animated storytelling as far as comic book characters are concerned what is the animated film using Comic Book Characters that you think is the absolute best hands down nothing can compare when it comes to all the animated movies dealing with Comic, Book Heroes, which do you think is the best me? No news I F YAHOO DOT COM news I F. Yahoo Dot Com the Batman vs Dracula currently on HBO. Mex-. Watching there's a lot more I could say, but I just kind of want to bring it to your attention right and what you're going to notice here in the currently on podcast no, we're still are so new. It's kind of crazy and it's kind of crazy all the success we've already had. I, mean we're currently one of the we're on the chart four of the top podcast on spotify the top of all categories I don't even know how that happened, but we're gonNA talk about everything we're going I mean I mean I'm not GonNa try to. Stay in one lane. So if you like an ECLECTIC podcast talks about all kinds of things that bring things to your attention, there you go. But the real I think the real message here is the Batman and vs Dracula on Hbo Max. It's about storytelling. And I think we need to expand our horizons and explore all kinds of forms of storytelling like if you've never watched professional wrestling. You really should watch it just to see if you can learn it's storytelling technique. I can tell you like I could break down a match and show you how the story begins like. There's there's certain segments to each story told in the ring you've got the the in rings fighting. That's the story you got what happens outside the ring or in the ring just talking you've got the talking story. You've got the physical story and the matches follow a typical format of how they are structured. You've got a stage one, stage two, stage three, stage four and you bring it to the conclusion and you got this you know who? I am not going to sit there and get into it, but it's a form of storytelling. Even if you're not a fan of wrestling, you should watch it for the storytelling. If you can figure it out I, mean life is short explore new things. So there you go I'll stop right there. That's this episode of the currently on podcast. Get out there enjoy it. Tonight's new music night at eleven pm central time that's always exciting. So get out there I say this the end of every episode get out there and enjoy life. It's way way way way way way too short to miss out on anything. Have a great day. Great night.

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FOF #2756  The Unsinkable Molly Brennan

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FOF #2756 The Unsinkable Molly Brennan

"Uh-huh. We fell in love with queer punk actor, Mollie Brennan for the many different roles she plays in Steppenwolf new production, Miss Black for president the true story of Chicago drag Queen Joan Jett Black's bid to become president of the United States, lake Bush ninety two Honey supported by the group queer nation. Joan Jett black ran for the highest office in the land to draw attention to the aids crisis. And to anti-gay violence, and prejudice Joan ended up losing the election, but she didn't spire others to fight for change by any means necessary. This amazing piece of historical political performance. Art is now the focus of Steppenwolf new production. Ms black president co authored, and starring moonlights Terrel Alvin mccranie with SpongeBob. Squarepants musicals, Tina Landau as director and co author today. The unsinkable. Mollie Brennan joins us to talk about the many roles she plays in black for president and some of her other career highlights like playing Harpo Marx and Goodman, theatre's animal, crackers, and clowning it up in five hundred clown. Frankenstein, plus Molly taste our quiz. How I rish? Are you? I'm Fausto for knows Mark villian? And this is feast of fun. I have this assay when people say they can't get used to pronounce my aunts, my dad's sisters, and my dad is seventy. So they're all in that range, practiced when I was standing someone who used them. There's pronouns they just practiced having conversations around about this person just pretend conversations to get it in their mouths, and I'm like, if you can't do it, and, like my aunts who've been around for sixty seventy years like you just have to decide import into your head part of it is us. Just want people to feel welcome. Hell, yeah. But the excuse is, like I don't mean to I just I'm not used to like, well, if you practice you'll get used to it. It's like playing the piano. That's right. Guys, I fell in love instantly with queer punk named Molly Brennan. When I saw her playing a wide variety of roles and Steppenwolf theatre's, new production, Miss Black for president which tells the true story of former feast officials performer, and my former roommate Joan Jett blacks, actual run for president of the United States in nineteen Ninety-two. It turns out that just like us molly's being a huge part of Chicago's cutting edge performance and theater scene. And she's joining us today from our home studio. Whoa. Fatty me the feast fund. Thanks. Molly. What got you to Chicago in the first place he moved here in ninety three. Yes, I did. So I, I graduated college in ninety two and I got into Depal into their master acting program, and I came out to addition. I actually saw two shows at the factory theatre to Sean Abilene shows. Original like stage adaptation of Reefer madness. And then another show that was called attack of the killer bees, which was like a medley of b movies put together into like a loose plot with, you know. Attack of the fifty foot woman was in it and tomatoes. Yeah, like all of those movies, like. Yes. Yes, you saw it. But I came out. In addition for depaul saw those two shows, like oh, shoot theater can be like this. Wow. For people who are not familiar with the quality of those productions. How would you describe it? Somebody today. Well the factory the face of the factory has changed a bit over the decades. But at that time, it was camp was like the jam outrageous comedy shock theater. Sean Abilene who's a writer in LA now was cutting the head of it, and Amy Sealy also now in L A, but there. Yeah, it was very. Kind of broad acting large characters. Outrageous, plotlines I sort of thing. And I and, you know, staged in a sixty seat storefront with no budget and like, clip lights. And it was I was like, oh my gosh, this, this is I want to do this. I think that's one of the more remarkable things about Chicago with people. Don't realize they come here while you guys have storefront theaters, like, where I come from, like you gotta theater. It's an actual theater, your convert these spaces and stuff. I'm like, yeah. That's what it's about in. This is why people come to Chicago to theaters for opportunities just like this. Yeah. Until I so I love that fell in love got into. And then I actually quit after a quarter because I realized I had something to say and I didn't want to be in school anymore. Like I wanted to be an artist and not take classes. And I could tell that, like I could do that. It was the right choice because I immediately started working and kind of haven't stopped so. You work full-time, professionally and sort of a performer after a dynamic person on the scene. Thank you. Yeah. So I'm a stage actor an equity actor. That's how I get my insurance. And I've been very lucky to work pretty consistently to keep that going, and then outside of being in place to produce my own work. And I, I also like I guest artist a lot at, like Carey's and strange events. I get paid to do seven minutes of something at fundraisers, or, or that sort of thing, and then I teach a little bit. I mostly teach what I do the we're do stage combat actor gymnasium. I don't stage com. More do clown. That's that is. Yeah. I was gonna ask you slap me without hurting me. No. And we can talk about how you can make money doing that now. That's another show. Let's turn back the clock. To the early nineties and it was the height of the aids crisis. There was no Ellen Degeneres saying, I'm gay on television and a lotta queer marginalized, people just didn't see themselves in, in television and films. And certainly not in theater. And so a lot of people felt that there was urgency to represent the, the aids crisis to tell the story of marginalize LGBTQ people. And that's kind of the reason why so much experimental theater and performance art started and one question that always pops up to me in, and I'm usually asking a great question. Ask people like you what do you think is the major difference between performance art and theater? And I think that the agreement with the audience is usually different that performance are usually places the fourth wall behind the audience. It between the performers and the audience, not always that's like a loose thing. I think that performance art tends to necessarily be political and we can talk about what political means. But like theater sometimes tries to remove it self from being political. I think that's still means that's a political move. But you know what I mean there's a conscious political usual. Social commentary or something with performance. Very self expressive and theater is more storytelling. So I'd say those are the kind of elements that make the two different. And as an actor you're sort of expected to put your own personality and persona aside. Whereas in terms of like experimental theater performance art it's about playing with all the all your experiences. And there are some schools of acting that do want you to draw on your own life experiences for the roles. And I think that's kind of where your school fought is coming from. I, I am largely cast these days in the last ten years and maybe more for what I bring to it. I do play characters. Like I change my voice, change my posture, but I have a. A way of being on stage that where I think people are like, oh, that's Molly, like kind of no matter what I do, like I'm hooked on. Molly. I never got tired of. But yeah, I do think because I get hired for very specific projects. And I think it's because I have this. Way of being on stage where I'm never quite I don't. I'm never quite in it all the way like I have an awareness always of the audience almost almost every single person in the audience while performing I have this lake. I don't like lose myself in the character. Like I can play a character. But I always, like very aware of what the room is. And I think allows for me to be in reaction to things like if something goes wrong or like you know, in Miss Black, there's a part where it kind of interrupt the play to point to something and no spoilers. But like I kind of interrupt play. I'm like, hey, have you noticed this? And like last night, the lie, I stop, what's happening? And I looked out in the audience and I could see someone reading program and all around, and I did I said, hi, looking at your program, and actually, it was a great segue into what I actually supposed to say. But like it's like I can't. Help it. It's like I can't help but be aware of like every little thing that's happening. I've liked predictability is what makes it for me, more exciting. But for some other people that unpredictability is the reason they avoided first now performance are can take place in theater in the ninety s usually took place in music venues, art galleries, because those traditional theatrical spaces where usually not available to us and they are now and in one thousand nine hundred to queer nation and a young drag Queen name Terence out. I don't want to name her, but she is publicly Terence Smith on the name of Joan Jett black decided to run for mayor Chicago. And that was such a commotion, that Dench, she decided to run for president United States and they did a documentary about it, people wrote articles and books about the of the event. And then Joan Jett black. Decided to be retired moved to San Francisco. And we never heard from her since until this past the air where Terrell album mccranie Oscar-winner for moonlight. And Tina Landau the director SpongeBob, squarepants musical the said, hey, we're gonna take the story from you guys lives and turn it into full production. How did you get involved in all this? Well. I got a call from my agent, saying that Tina in Terrell wanted to see me now, Tina Terrell, and I worked on another project in two thousand four there was another like, experimental. They didn't know what it was going to be until it was actually in front of an audience. He's called the actual essays at Steppenwolf. So we'd worked together than and you know, kind of crisscrossed over the years seeing each other, and whatever, but so they called me in to audition immediately. You know, it's really hard when you're when you're actor, mostly, you don't get the part like there's so much auditioning and not getting it like Teri Garr to us, auditioning, the job of an actor suing the show is actually a bonus. Yeah, yeah. It's so much additioning. And so I try never like I always think like just kill the dish in. But don't think about the play just kill the dish in. And in this, I was like Kelly audition show. I really wanna do this. Way, you know, like I really and at that point, the material, they gave us a lot of it was just transcripts of people who'd been like interviewed by on the Glendon Brenda show, like, like queer nation transcripts and act up transcripts and they just had us leak prepare those model found footage of people who are politically, active at the time transcribed, it had you sort of bring that to life to choose, which ones he would do or did. They say we want these wants from you. They said, we want these ones for you, and I, actually, I think I got a, an unusually long time to prepare usually get a week or less to prepare. I think I had two weeks. And I just learned all of them. I memorized all of the copy and was ready like to do any of it. And so when I when Tina said, you know, the I, I think. The first thing she said was, you know, we asked you to do this, but could you prepare this instead and handed me another side but I already knew it, and I was like, yeah, so I didn't have to take the paper and just did it. And I really wanted to show like, I, I know there are lots of factors in hiring of it like this is important to me. And I want to be part of this. So why did you know at the time when you are additionally into that was the only role of a woman in the whole show at that point, they hadn't decided how they were going to cast or even how many cast members they were going to be like it was actually a for short of a development process? It was it was a long casting process because they weren't sure they knew kind of what characters they wanted to be in there, but they weren't sure how they want it to manipulate it. So there was like the gender thing was not laid out or or the race thing, or like any of the kind of identifiers it was like we want to see everybody. And so the city spa. Bob square pants shared and to me, like, you know, Miss Black for president and also crazy. But there is there is a quality of that show in, in Miss Black for president and part of that is that I think Tina approaches this very organically and very much like a performance art collective in the sense that she wants sort of a chemistry to develop, and even the content itself to evolve from the rehearsal process. It's it's how chorus line the musical was made. I didn't know that it was an audition that was funded by the mea of all things for the arts. They had all these come. Come on, and tell us your story in dance and the end of the audition there. Like you know what? This is the show. And that's what that's cute. I didn't know that was. That's so interesting. All the actors who are rigidly those roles that's that was there. Oria out. Yeah. That's before tits and assets. Developing MRs black for president when you got the role and then Tina says, darling, I want you to play. She doesn't sound like this. I want you to play the leather dyke Lanny the cowboy cable access producer, the hat, lady, who's homophobic disenchanted, hot nonvoting. If you more roles than anybody else in that show is that true? I counted. Oh, and also I play the college kid that like pro-choice college kid. Eva. Yeah, I never counted. But you might be counted. All right. Actually hat lady was in the. Is based on a real interview with, with Glenda and Joan so that transcript, which is different now? But like the original thing, I actually read for her in the original audition to, but yeah, when she gave us the parts I'm trying to think now like we did a couple readings. And sometimes, sometimes I read for Mark, who is the coronation character? I've read for a few of the different things I read for q, which was Sawyers part plays the kind of conic people, and then, by first rehearsal, they pretty much knew who we were, who we were going to be. And so, I was I didn't even I was just like I figure out who these people are doing for people who may not be able to see the show hopefully they're gonna turn it into a feature film Broadway production. But right now, it is running for the month of pride in Chicago and got extended I think to chill out. Official lou. Okay, good. Okay. It was leaked. And the reason that you don't wanna talk about those things ahead of time is because then people go out just sit next week right? Don't they have to shuffle things around? And there's a lot of moving parts and doing something this industrial this because there's a lot of money. There's a lot of organizations and institutions involved in this, and I would say this for seven we'll theater, this is probably one of their most. Potentially. You know, politically charged shows they've done a long time. And not just because of the fact that you're telling the story of this marginalized person black, drag Queen Joan Jett black, who ran for president, but also because it's the what I call the Disney vacation of history is that there's a danger that when it's people with a lot of money a lot of privilege telling the story of people who are very marginalized. There's, there's a tendency to sort of gloss over the struggle or even worse, actually, tell the opposite story. And so I imagine that was a lot of concern because, you know, you guys are, obviously, to roll out the mccranie and Antena Landau very ethical people. How did you guys like wrestle with all those things. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's interesting, isn't it? I always I described the play as a. Piece of poetry about a moment. Right. So it's not it's not a documentary right like we're not going fact, for fact, most of the characters are combinations of, of real people. And they're, they're all. Fictionalized Gioja black is in the plays. Eight feet tall nine six nine real-life Joan Dipak about five foot five. Yeah, yeah. So there there's so it's a it's an oath. I think more than an historical show, and I think that that. That in itself is a little tricky sometimes for folks to get their mind around that, like, okay, so it's based on a real person, but the stuff isn't necessarily real and like, who is this, queue character who keeps coming up as these kind of star icons, and, and it's, it's a queer telling so it's not just as play about queer events, featuring queer people. It's actually a queer telling it is a drag show, poem about the moment of Joan Jett black getting on the floor of the democratic national convention, or at least that's my take. And yeah. How do you sell that to a theater group of patrons who are used to seeing Sam Sheppard like? Like. How and what is three action and why do notice that seven wolf is going more in the direction of trying to be more experimental more contemporary that new space, the bar in that cabaret theatre? It's like there's a lot of evolution happening and you know, people are not familiar. There's two theater institutions in Chicago three actually second city Goodman, and Steppenwolf and these generated some of the biggest names with the biggest Bank accounts and thankfully, a lot of those big celebrities that came from those. Institutions have benefactor and pack that these theatrical organizations to have them have a presence for future generations to come. And so for Steppenwolf to sort of say, you know, we're going to we're gonna mess with us. We're gonna take her with us because of the exciting and fun. I think it's very generous them to do it, but also very risky. I agree. And I, I've seen the trend of that, too, like, Passover a couple years ago also like really kind of push the line on that. And LA Ruta, that was just there that push the line and specifically because this was an unfinished work as we were going into the space. So, like, what Tina, Terrell were presenting to the literary team and stuff was like not a finished script, and that makes it hard for multimillion dollar organization to kind of it's just not the structure people used to used to getting a script. And like there may be some changes. But, like, for the most part, you know, the script is developed it's been through a development process. This was very fast. And so it like we were getting pages up until opening night, new new dialogue and cuts and things like that, which is a way that I'm used to working in smaller theaters. But not in larger institutions, and I think the people in the room, this is a familiar process. I mean, they really put together a team of actors who are creators as well, like not just people who learn their lines and play characters, but who actually make work and generate work. Daniel kyri who plays JJ ran really great DIY venue, for a number of years called the DOJ. Oh, and just like curated wing. Right. A bull music and performance art and. Patrick Andreas is a is has been involved in this kind of queer new wave performance art band for a number of years. You know, so people in it are all are all makers. So for the team of actors this very familiar process, but to do it in a large institution is a little bit like, well, we don't know what it's going to be opening night. I guess. Joan jett. Black is played by Oskar award winning screen screenwriter writing Terrel album mccranie for moonlight as like, hey, you're the you're the Oscar winner for the screenwriter. Where's the script? One job to do. I hope that if he does this show those guys, there's a Tony awards called Chicago quivalent, Jeff award that you guys get don't get the award, but then get it at the last second like moonlight. Wow. Oh, we have a terrible guy. Best player of the year cause to Miss Black president. We're so. Sorry, it's like Tyrrells. Oh my God hilarious. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, but I think that that's part part of again like queering the narrative is league don't, don't do it the way it's been done like defy the dominant paradigm. Like figure out other ways to make art. The play is the play. It is because of who is in the room, it's not because of the scripture given but like the development president went through. We did so much stuff with Tina where she led us just doing viewpoint exercises, which is like just being in relationship to each other in the room, and like one might look at that and Gopal we going to memorize lines. But it didn't really it doesn't really work like that. You build a relationship the way, she works, at least in the projects, I've done with her is she builds this on samba, and we take care of each other. And we kind of have have this intuitive knowledge of each other and that relationship. Allows us to quickly kind of simulate in new lines, new ideas, new entrances, new costume pieces new because we're we're not we're their free other we're holding each other. And again, that's a very clear thing to right? Like instead of thinking of it being like a director and playwright and a cast of actors and having this kind of hierarchy it's more fluid than that, and it feels safe to make errors feel safe to make risks. And what you wind up with is a piece of art lake miss Blackford president, which defies, some theatrical definition, in feel like in terms of, you know, experimental or Alvin guard theater. Tina Landau right along the lines of someone like Julie taymor, who just, you know, really transformed representation wise and cultural wise, what Broadway was doing at the time when lion. King debuted on I know. I know it sounds crazy to say. Oh, lion. King was really amazing groundbreaking musical. But it really was and impact is being felt still to this day, you know, in a lot of ways, it's like Tina Landau's work, sort of STAN is a sister to you. The Lion King, and Julie taymor is done. And part of it is, I think, is this feminist perspective of wanting to take this structure and not take grant because it makes necessarily because we're just here to fuck with the system because there's some really great things that come from that now as, as a creator, you also put together, a very similar show that light feast of fools was, which is called the fly Honey show. Yes. So I'm a part of the fly Honey show. Yes on you guys are also fucking with the system there. Yeah. And it's actually it's going into its tenth year this year, I've been involved for four years. I'm not an originator. I was a fan. Dan? I and then I got brought onto the team. And, and. Yeah, that is. It's looking at the structures of cabaret and burlesque and making it body positive and defying the definition of what sexy is and highly political and this kind of a very long show. It's like a two hour show with all kinds of stuff in it. I mean, the, the central entertainment is the dancing. So these amazing. Dances that, that are a combination of burlesque and hip hop dance. And there's this whole band with a corn section, and they do these incredible mashups of old music, and new music. And, and then their other artists, stand up comedians, and performance artists, and drag artists, and there's you have popsicles them too. Temptation, you know, and part of me was like his about saying, yes to, and you're like me, you know, like that's why instantly connected part of, you know, there is the vanity. They're like I love because they're exactly like me. But. But part of it is that you're like you're so eager to, like you, it's kind of like all you can eat buffet of culture, and it's about giving somebody that experience is to be able to explore so many different textures and moments in one show. Yeah. And then the, the drawback of that is then, you know, then the night, everything's those left this scrambled disorganized, mass. And then you have to put it all back together. It's a lot of it's a lot of labor, but it's, it's I don't know. How do it where I'm not interested maybe a hard path to take. Yeah. You know, your heritage. One thing we joke around like you know, in terms of the Irish Heritage's sometimes looking, there's an expression Puerto Rico. You're looking for the fifth leg to the cat. Oh, I don't know what that is, is there's enough. There's how many legs is a cat have four, but you're looking for that fifth leg for some reason, many are always looking for something that isn't there like chasing that pot? What are the expression that someday someday? You are gonna come across that cat, and it will have five leg. Well, I thought. There's an expression our when we hear that's no leg. Expression about like the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, which we think of like lucky charm, Syria. We don't understand that it as actual like a really deep meaning fart, which is that you're like its desire of chasing dream that you can never get too. And that is the gold is the journey. Yeah, the. Yeah. Right. Like looking for fulfilment, like a non existent fulfillment, that when trans people are taking training to feminizing voices. There's a passage that they actually read that, that the gold at the end of the rainbow and I don't know if you guys it's been portrayed in the film TransAmerica. Oh, I haven't seen the opening scene about it and stuff. That's really interesting. And it's like I wish somebody may be like, would turn that into a business stuff on YouTube people reciting the pass. Edge, because it contains a lot of the American speech. And so it's like if you get all these elements, right, you know, you, you have the voice that you want this. Yeah. So the so interesting because I like a here that I like honor people on their journeys, and there's this other thing, there's this whole other thing that I hear a lot from my friends who are trans women who are like fuck that my voices my voice. And like that is also like valid, and, and if I have a deep voice, it doesn't make me less of a woman, you know, like it's so interesting. It's interesting how things change how our perspectives change, and even between like that. You know, like having having what is a feminine voice like what is that? Even. You know, I mean, I was raised by Irish nuns and some of those the bushes voice it's like you hear the Mike down the hallway all about. That kind of thing. So, so the quiz mar a quiz because Molly Molly Brennan, pretty Irish name is, you know, so how Irish are you? I mean okay. So my, my dad's side is. I rush and the, my mom's side is English Scottish Irish so I've got it coming in from both sides. Yeah. We'll tell you how are you are? So your lunch with your friend, French fries are sitting on your friends plate, a respect, your friends food choices, and leave them to peace, be ask politely, if you can have a fri-, or see reach over and take the fucking fries because potatoes blogs, everyone. I'm gonna go with. I'm gonna go with see although I'd probably ask and say. May I have one those belong to everyone? That is the crack dancer, keeping score one, okay. Sinead O'Connor tears up the pope's photo yet again on live TV. Do you delete all her music from your music library, or be know that she was right? Twenty seven years ago. And she's still fucking right today. Be highly app. I was I was working for the rainbow passage of. Okay. Yeah. So you got to write my gosh, to Margaret Thatcher was a, a wrong kind or be a right cont. I'm not sure if I've my vernacular, right? We'll just say Margaret Thatcher is a right count. That's right. Yeah. All I think she was wrong. But I think right it's yes, good. Very good to be very. Irish Molly Malone from the famous folk songs. How did she die as she was killed by a leprechaun be run over by a wheelbarrow or see? Syphilis syphilis. That's right. They say fever, but they interpreted this stuff. You gotta give them Ali some hard questions. Nervous time. Yes. All of them. Okay. Odds of finding a four leaf clover, one in ten thousand one hundred thousand or one in a million. I think it's one in ten I think it's low exactly right. Found them all the time. Okay. Figure gonna have luck and just an excuse my language here. But what do you get when you cross a hor- with the leprechaun? Oh my gosh. I don't know a little fucker about big. All right. You're, you're pretty fucking Irish. Thanks. You're pretty lacking fight about it. I met you, you were saying because you name is Molly which is synonymous with drugs. Yes. Sometimes you get some confusion because of that. Yes. Well, my, my parents and my sister burners wearning man, and your parents. Yes. In fact, my parents just renewed. The fifty year wedding vows at burning man this last year and my stern. I looked at the ceremony out on the planet, I have gone to burning man, twice and both times, I am equally revered, and the object of disappointment, because my name is Molly so people or they're like, oh, Molly, like, like I'm carrying around with you. Exactly. Exactly. Utility belt, right? Yeah. You're in love these days. I'm in love. I'm love with Maxine she's wonderful. She and I lived together, not Irish. She's not. Well, she is she and Talia Irish half and half. Red herring. All right. Your, your relationship is based on. Let's be nice to each really is. Which sounds really simplistic. And, and I don't know that. It's implicit. It's simple, and like and lovely, and yes, we're, we're nice to each other. Let's be nice to each other is our, our mantra, and we are. Yeah. She's she has a job downtown in the loop in Chicago. And then she spends a lot of time helping other people, she knows the feed the homeless coalition. She teaches marginalized groups about firearm safety, and us. Yeah. Yeah. She's, and she's she's just like a very generous, she we have. You know, we help people financially and otherwise. Who are having a hard time, and she gave me on grants, or she just like then Marin people who are. Need a new way? My nails need. I think. I don't know if that would fly plate. Yeah. She's, she's DIY. So let's wonderful. I know it's not relevant. But we I think, in terms of like, being gender, non binary and queer and bracing transpeople a big. I would say a big point of contention, especially in lesbian scenes is the inclusion of trans women and theme is, is a trans woman. Yes. And yeah, I actually haven't had so much personal experience with. Pretty progressive. Yeah. A lot, a lot of friends who are trans, which is I'm not sure how that worked out. But it's lucky, I yeah, I am lucky quality. That have you watched the first season of pose. Yeah. Well, some ally you are. She doesn't watch it. We watch letter canny, that's like her favorite show right now. Oh my gosh. It's about these Canadian rednecks. It's hilarious. But, but yeah, I haven't. I mean it's in my mind, it doesn't make any sense, gender doesn't make a lot of sense to me. It never has I don't know how to explain his well, I can tell a story. I remember I was in I was in high school in my friend was staying over at my house, and we were talking. She was talking about a boy that she liked. And I said, well. Wouldn't you like wouldn't you still like this person if he wasn't a boy? And she said, why are you talking about? And I and I, I couldn't describe what I was talking about all I could think was hotter. Like I don't it doesn't that doesn't matter to me. Gender, like I respect to when people are on the binary. Identifies a woman, she her pronouns. And but like I very nonconventional. Yeah, I am. That's true. And you know you don't you don't live there, but you're sometimes a tourist. Yeah. And a lot of the shows I do. I play man. So, so. That's true. How many times have you been cast? Live played Harpo Marx at the Goodman for animal for animal crackers, just early spring. I played Djupedal in gnocchi oh hitter. I in looking less Alice looking glass theater. I play a few different guys. Tweedle dum, and the walrus play the red Queen, but the red Queen was actually originated the role was actually rejected by man. So like I'm on a man's track. My role says red dares to take with Boettger paint. The Royal flower Phil Smith casting director. I hope you're listening. The classic original. Acid. I think I've watched the Alice in wonderland animated. Disney thing too many times have you ever like seen a role that didn't get for me? I'm just like who you girl? You know, the Caterpillar is just this wonderfully. Luscious campy character that I think you and I would devour thanks. I know you have. Yes. Well, in that same show, three of us played a Caterpillar, polar at the same time, and we do all these, like, overlaying vocals. Yeah. I oh you unlikely and everything like, we say some lines together apart, and we're and we do, like partner acrobatics, and kind of tumble over each other. And then get on each other's backs and do like all this interesting stuff. Anyway. But yeah, oh and the other big kind of dude part is played Hal in picnic that will Davis directed over an ATC and picnic. Is this kind of part of the American cannon, and we'll Davis just kind of cast it in this really nonconventional way I played the football player that comes back to town after kind of not succeeding in real life. And that was a great part too. But yes, so, so anyway, I get cast, as, as men sometimes which is great. Oh back to like talking about like gender, inter gender identity relations. Yeah. And sometimes I explain explained to people is like some people can handle a long distance relationship and other people can't and gender. Sometimes, I think about, as more as geography, maybe you're ace coaster, maybe you're midwesterner maybe live in the. Your. The travel and other people never leave their own state interesting. You know. And so when you and your partner, your loved ones, reside to different parts of the country, you can meet together and certain different ways. But other times it's like, you know, your New York. And I'm in L A. What are we going to do? You know, that's interesting. I'd have to give that some thought, but you were saying, oh, yes. So I mean, like, but I see on the course stupid internet like people saying things access chromosome, an exa x y chromosome, they're only men and women. And I'm like, I don't know how to tell you that my girlfriend is a woman like I don't know how to make you believe that because it's true you know, her how she was assigned at birth like that. It's not. I can't. To get it or you don't get like should. Kind of semi pound problematic campaign of, like, do you really think I belong in this bathroom where you'd see a person who had transitioned and very clearly looked like the gender that, you know that they are on the binary? Right. So like a trans man saying, like with a beard, and whatever, like should I should I be in the women's, and of course I'm like, well, I think bathrooms are bathrooms, but the point is like these trans all the transpeople my life. Like I don't I don't it doesn't occur to me to doubt how they feel because it's how they feel like how we all feel is real what whatever's inside of his is real. And it's not up to someone on the outside to say we'll know you're this because you don't you don't know, you just believe people when they say this is who I am you go. Okay. Like, what is the stake? In denying someone saying they are you so invest. Sit in binary. Yeah. Yeah. I mean you being the one to classify who's why? Yeah. And when there's all this, like, there's all this scientific evidence and you can point to that, although a lot of the time that people like that you're arguing against they don't care about science. So it doesn't matter. But climates you know, they do the like brain function stuff, and, and then like all the variances of sex, right? Like in terms of chromosomes in terms of hormones. I mean, I'm my self like have the parts of female sex assigned person, right? Like, I've got a full, the a working working over Eason uterus. And I developed breasts when I went through puberty. I also have a very low estrogen body. I don't produce a lot of Astrakhan. So what does that mean? Like what am I for cancer are lower? Yeah. Maybe so I guess I developed muscle easily, which is maybe a thing there's a variance, it's a spectrum and. Science can show that, but even if you don't even if you don't look at the science just when a person says, I am this, then just okay. Like if it's. Yeah, it doesn't if I mean, the only time that I don't respect someone saying, I'm this is they say, I am a Nazi. Fuck you. But like. Like if a person is you hear about the knitting websites forum and let me pull up the main here. It's for Nigam Tuesay's people who knit, and they say that they are deleted, and banning anybody who is a pro Trump supporter like you can be Trump support it, but don't bring that bullshit to our knitting because this is a knitting. And if you're out there, trying to put this political agenda, and they understand it. They understand that Trump stands for white supremacy, and they're not going to stand for that. I mean, we got comments on our website, believe it out. There's less than who are Trump supporters. We just did a show about how the complicated relationship that LGBTQ people have with the rainbow and, you know, the creator of the rainbow flag said this is an incomplete work of art. It is for future, generations, and marginalized people to improve upon it are great their own and some people lost their minds when two more stripes for added right? Yeah. Philadelphia. And I'm like, what part of improve on your other do not understand? You'll still have that flag. But the thing is that one besides us being disconnected from history and knowledge, and they don't listen to the fun, which is a big. Idiots also to that. This six stripe rainbow flag is kind of become this, this corporate logo that corporations like Nabisco can stick on an Oriole cookie and say, hey, we love you. We love you money. I'm like, yeah. But do you diversity in your and your leadership? Not just an ear employee's. Do you have a nondiscrimination clauses that prevent people from being fired for being algebra to Q? Right. Those are the things that matter. That's right. That's right. And you know. I go back and forth between like this notion of lake rainbow capitalism and being mad about it. But also, I think about, you know, and I was in college and had like my little like rainbow, necklace, and, like how self conscious and nervous. I was to just wear that people didn't even know what it meant necessarily. But like you felt like you were doing something, and there is something about knowing that you go to target and a little girl who likes other little girls is going to see a shirt that represents her. And, and so like as much as I'm like, oh, like it's not just about like marketing our own culture back to us. It's more than that. There's, there's a side of it that I'm also like I like the rainbow Chuck Taylors. The rainbow in northern the northern hemisphere is a symbol of hope because it follows a terrible storm, and in the southern hemisphere, it's a ominous symbol, because it precedes one interesting. But in western culture, we are the storm. Let's. How did like I wear rainbow wristband have for long long time know? And part of me is like, in a workplace environment. Instead of having to come out to people, it's a way it's a promise that I make to myself, and I make to my co workers and any customer any artists that I work with. I'm going to do everything I can to acknowledge you to make things better and to listen to you, and I will never flood your world again. Let's it's flag. So there's listener says he's Trump saying, you know, it's, it's a tricky space, because this, this rainbow that is this beautiful symbol. It's a promise to heal into grow. Also, just like anything can be commodified and Trump was selling rainbow pride tee shirts, one on those evil one of the most homophobic, transphobic fascist dictators of the modern age. Hitler himself is using rainbow flags to market to LGBTQ people who are so dumb, or misinformed that they think that he's aligning with their interests at all. And so this guy who listens says listening to our show and either to one he trawling us more too. I did search his IP address, because you know we got with around here you guys can hide. And I found out, you know, and I think he may be fucking with us. But part of it is like it is to me, like, really astounding when I meet people, and I had a friend of mine who she was trans very shy. Very quiet. One day, she said, you know what I think Trump's going to be a great president. I've just like my eyes are like inside of my head is like Bugs Bunny going. But part of it is, I think this person's probably struggling with racism is probably struggle with a lot of incomplete theme nation information, and they're disconnected and part of it is, like it's so important to be part of our community. So when I tell people's like go see the fly Honey show is not because you're going to have a good time, but you will have a good time. Right. Not just because you're going to be dazzled, and your world will be rocked. But because this is a part of you coming human being and growing up and being part of culture of love. Yeah. I mean and going outside of like your comfort zone is super important. In consuming? One like having your your dollars, go to marginalized people as always great, you'll get some entertainment in return. But like as like on that tip as an artist I have been very lucky to be invited to events where often I'm one of the only white people there. And, and I'm hearing over the years. You know how people feel about me and us and white people, and being able to hear that an uncensored space where I'm in the minority and go, oh my God. Like, oh, wow. I have to do something different than what I'm doing. Or like I have a number of friends who are disabled and being in art spaces that are centered around disability, like hearing uncensored opinions and experiences about about that, like these things going outside of your, your zone to take in art. And to contribute to the art is so important, not just for artists to develop our work into understand. You know how the rest of the world is. But for all of us just to be like, oh, wow. It's. I'm a majority. I'm system white. I mean, I'm queer but I don't. I don't wear that in the same way, as you wear, you know, skin color or. Chain her Chicago. Thank you, stood many luminary rolls. What else do you have coming up? Joan jet black. President twenty-first does. And then I then I'm. Then I'm going to be one of the hosts of the fly Honey show and that opens eighth and I think closes September ninth on one or on the weekends or stay Friday and Saturday night day nights at ten thirty. Yes. So you can like go to another thing and then come to us after someone to do that. And then people get free lap dances with book at a popcorn, I've just that's a different thing. That's not pizzas crisis show. Yeah. No different. And then after that, I actually have a pending contracts, they can't talk about. But I have another show that'll be up to that. And then I have to figure out what I'm gonna do. During that for twenty some years. I'm also used to what I would imagine. Yeah. There's, there's a thing I want to produce called occupy open mic, where I would like to get some of Dardis that I think, are great in town, who generate their own work, and go to some of the bar, open mics and kind of surprised the audience by presenting. Well-crafted performance art and like to prising where the gorilla. Yeah. Yeah. No, you're coming. It's a sign up so anybody can sign up. But, like, if we had, like five to ten like artists doing things that isn't that are not just acoustic guitar, not just stand up like other other kinds of performance like that's a that's the thing like to get some funding together. Because what I'd like to do is to be able to pay the artists just pay them. And then we go to like, different open mic every week and present this work and like start our conversation about what because, you know, theater is inaccessible to so many people because it's expensive. And also, it's the vernacular there's a. A lot of is for people who are in theater, or you know what I mean. And we went to see his black for president. It's faust. I were among the younger people in the audience. Right. And so, you know, you would think that a show like that. Because if it's its, what's queer content would appear appeal to a lot of people, but are people going out to see this kind of theater, you know, that's part of the reason why I wanted to have you on the podcast of the people that are listening to this show that are in Chicago. They're planning to come to Chicago. You know, understand that this is show. You can't see. And it's something you would probably enjoy everybody asked me, what's the best drag show to see in Chicago right now? Miss Black presence. My goodness. And part of it is, you know, and I was talking about we're getting Joan Jett black and the flash coming on the podcast soon. We're building out to it, and I asked Qatar like what has this past twenty years been like for her? She's she was, she was kind of describing, like she's rip van winkle and woke up in a world dominated by politically neutral track Queen for policy. We're all the political Athens with exception of lady bunny, and some other drag queens. But for the majority, it's very interesting, see these young artists go to theater school, and all they wanna do. And all they want to talk about is, like lip synching contary or makeup and styling. And that's all about the Tatas and that's it. They have a career path in theater school programs on getting up becoming Ruger oil, interesting. Now in Chicago. They're such a great politicized drag scene. There are some crate queens, doing some really. Updates. I disagree with that in some regard because status updates is not politics. I mean what? Performances. I want you to get people on the streets as much as we used to. But yes, for sure. Racism, do you know IMP Queen just like I just I just find her work to be so bizarre and strange. And when she gets she sometimes does some spoken word stuff in the content of her work is compelling up setting like like and all of this. I think she's great. And I think there are a number of artists who are not just I hear what you're saying. I think it's business. Now, it's like anything, right? Like, now there's a TV show. That's had multiple seasons like it becomes a path becomes a defined path. Whereas drag didn't have such a defined path before. Right, glenora. She was like, yeah, it's like the wild west like we're figuring it out, and we have all these ideas. And, and what happens in capitalist society is somebody figures out how to make money off of that trend. And then they sell it back to us with a set of rules that we didn't make. Like you said that, so beautifully other people's dreams come true. Or you said, sometimes other people's dreams come true for you. You don't want them. Yeah. Well, it's, it's more like. I haven't like opening up for Garth Brooks. Like I actually love for. But like I never would have thought like, oh, my dream is to open for Garth Brooks, didn't it was super cool. But I was like, I think this is someone else's dream. And then the other thing was when I was in a show at Lear. Opera, and I was like, I was in a second city show at lyric opera. And it was like a send up of operas imperative opera. And like I was like, this is super cool to perform on this giant stage in this like I comic building. But I think this is somebody else's dream that having because it was never like a goal to do this. I kind of found myself in these incredible. Like, feel really lucky. Find myself in these incredible situations where I'm like, how did I how did I? Think of scamming on somebody else. Life. What is your dream? Is that even possible to put into words? Key anarchy, I guess I, I am interested in a world of, of self governance. I'm interested in a world where we take responsibility for selves and take care of each other. And what's your selfish dream? I'm living it. I mean I do and making my living as an artist is like, the, the, the ongoing transformational dream of a role that eager to sink your property day already did the, the Caterpillar from Allison. If your dream. I've lived here dream. You girl like doing a show at I did a show at PS one twenty two that I that I made in New York and don't know PS one twenty two. A very well thought of very important performance art space city, and I have done shows there that I that I helped to make so the like that was a huge thing. You know, I'd really love to play lady Bracknell in importance of being earnest. I played her in college. I think it's a great role and I think it's a great plan to do that again. And that, but I don't have an idea of like I wanna work at this place. There are a lot of people that I want to be in a room with most of them aren't famous people there, like Chicago people that I've done something with our seen in something like, like, my, I did something couple years ago called battle axe Betty, which was a reworking the script, I wrote for the factory back in the nineties, and it's a like it's sword and sorcery kind of heavy metal musical. And I did it with a ton of artists, and I try to get in the room as many representations of people as I could. And so we had integrated American sign language in the room and audio describe in the room and different mobility abilities, and different racial, ethnic and gender. Identities. And I kind of just take to my some of my favorite people owns like like let's get thirty six of us together and put this heavy metal musical up and doing that kind of work is like doing. Collaborative work with all that. Looks like our city. That is an ongoing dream to just to like work with amazing artists who have, like all these different life, experiences and perspectives into here like what it's like to be somebody other than me like that room is the I want that room over and over and over again, that kind of cloud city for hell. Yeah. Hell, yeah. Molly part of it. Is that you're like us, you're searching for people who share a similar aesthetic viewpoint and what I really adore about your work is that you're doing this sort of like the real life version of this podcast. In the sense that you're going around, and you're finding these really creative, amazing people, and you're showcasing them, and you're nurturing, then you giving them a space to shine. And I think that's just Borelli thing that should be celebrated and applauded thanks and I wanna thank you so much for coming, and talking to us today, because it really means a lot to me, because I really believe in your work, and I'm very excited about not just Miss Black for president, but all the other stuff that you do. Thank you so much. Can we be friends? I'll. That's put us on your mailing list. Have to just for you. Two people could follow Mollie Brennan, on Instagram at monster. Clown, girl. Don't mess with Molly. Everywhere you have other places. Right. You have a website and on this stuff. Yeah. A little behind on that. Yeah. Cigarettes best, I think our Facebook, as long as you like a lot of radical political posts. You can follow me. We've had our audience. We're now in our fifteenth season started in February of two thousand five and we wouldn't be able to do it. If it weren't for the listeners that are listening right now who have become members and you can do that. These fun dot com slash plus because your contribution to this show is what makes this show happen. Membership does have its prevalence darling. You also can join us on patriotic. It's kind of like the little sister of faith fund. It's what we give you a little bit nuggets, taste a little titillation about what's to come, and that's patriot dot com slash fees to fund go. See Miss Black for president go see the fly Honey show. Honey? Molly, brandon. Thank you so much for coming on the show. Thank you for having me.

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Investing in Fitness, Bond Trading, and Big Tech

MarketFoolery

15:18 min | 10 months ago

Investing in Fitness, Bond Trading, and Big Tech

"It's Thursday December nineteenth. Welcome to market fully. I'm Chris Sale with me in studio for the last time for twenty nine thousand nine. But don't worry are you. She'll be back in two thousand twenty. It's Abby Mallon. Thanks for being here. Thanks for having me so W- Yesterday we recorded Motley fool money for next week. It's our year in review episode. And I wanted to. Because you're not on the episode and that's something we need to talk about by the way getting back on the Motley fool money a little bit more often but anyway I'm curious as we look back on twenty nine thousand nine hundred and there are a lot of things that got a lot of attention and some rightfully Lisa. Other things I think. Now we sort of look back with the benefit of hindsight and we're like by. We spent a lot of time focused on that one thing and I'm not really sure why what fits in that category for you that you look back on and you're just like why did we spend so much time talking about that. Yes so I spent a lot of time. Looking at various appeals over the year and I think the one that has gotten a lot of attention. Still think we're in peak Talking about it is Peleton so they are the fitness company. They produced stationary bikes and treadmills. And they're sold at premium prices and then they sort of also offer subscription to deliver high quality fitness classes directly to those users within within their homes. I think we talk a lot about it and I just don't think it's going to be relevant down the line. You think the business itself is that challenged I don't know what the business is that challenged I think a lot of analysts concerns seem to be around The fact that the hardware so expensive. That's actually not my concerned with them. I think I mean I live in DC. And I think exercise is expensive even basic gyms in. DC are pretty expensive. So I think if you buy these so the bikes are about twenty. The three hundred treadmills are forty three hundred but they offer these payment plans. If you do it you know on a plan. I don't think it's necessarily outrageous considering it could replace your gym membership. I just think that there's a little bit of an overestimation of what how big this market is and once you stop once. This company stopped selling their hardware. You're looking for them to sort of make up. Those revenues within their software business and the good thing about software is that it is a lot higher margin. Um I'm and it is a subscription. So hopefully it'll be much stickier and so far it has been Their monthly turn as low at less than one percent and their twelve month retention is about ninety eighty four percents so for a fitness class. It's actually pretty exceptional. I just think we're in a very hyped moment for Peleton's specifically and I wonder I mean it's almost a nine billion dollar company and for Reference Planet Fitness. which is you know? Obviously the other side of fitness. But you know that low end very low cost gyms. That's a six point six billion dollar. It's nice well. I'm glad you mentioned planet fitness. Because that's like while you were talking. I was thinking. Isn't this also all happening in an environment. Where planet fitness is growing and expanding spanning specifically because planet fitness is taking? I mean yes technically. They're in the same businesses peleton fitness. But they're going about it in a very different way. The whole ten dollars a month thing the judgment free zone all that sort of thing and you know and they're growing nicely stock is reflecting that. Yeah I mean planet. Fitness really has something going for it in that they are not trying to compete with other gyms. They're trying to attract people who previously don't visit the gym so sort of an untapped market in terms of Jim Advertising. I would say that's it's an interesting business and I mean it. It is a very low price but they have made that work. It's scalable model for them. I think that's much more interesting to me and I can see that working ten years on the line being a much bigger business than Peleton. I just want to highlight the fact for anyone. Anyone listening that at no point in talking about Peleton has abby mentioned the commercial so I think that's also Iran p Type. I mean not. That commercial was so I don't tone-deaf is the only word that comes to mind. Honestly it's kind of genius too because people you probably weren't aware of Peleton are now aware because there are offended by this odd but everyone's talking about it so now is bad news well but to go back to what the case that you were laying out for. I mean it had nothing to do with the ad I mean although it does you're right the television commercial and all of the attention that it got and sort of the backlash rush and then of course we had the backlash to the backlash. Yes it does. Add to the whole hype but at within the day that commercial is gone. The calendar is GonNa flip to twenty twenty and the underlying business is still going to be the underlying business and the way you're looking at it and others. It's like this is fine. I just don't think it's as big as you all seem to think it's going to be what on the on the flip side of Palatine is getting too much attention. And what is something that you look back on in twenty one thousand nine hundred boy. This should have gotten more attention. Yeah I mean so we look at twenty nine thousand nine as a whole. It's been been actually a pretty interesting year for investments around so the S. and P.. Five hundred is up more than twenty five percent year to date and only very small portion of the. SNP is actually losing money for the year so Very few companies are doing poorly this year. oils up about twenty five percent. Today gold is up about twelve percent but I think the part. That's really interesting to me. Is that corporate bonds are up almost nine percent and treasuries are also up almost nine percent so Typically treasures are specifically pretty interesting because they tend to decline Kline when riskier assets increase in value. So the fact that everything is moving in the same direction signals at their sort of Maybe some coming hesitancy maybe some disagreement about where the market is going things. Like that and I think the stock to watch for that trend would be trade web so Trade web went public in April of this year. I believe and they just haven't really garnered as much attention as I would have expected them so they had they. They are doing well for sure but I think as we see this return of volatility and sort of hesitancy in the market and maybe even these correction evaluations I think investors investors. It's known that there's a relationship between stocks and bonds and win Stocks become less attractive. People tend to shift money into bonds and so trade the web operates a Electronic trading platform four bonds and they operate in for asset classes but they focused primarily within the rates which includes us treasuries and money markets. And then they also have a credit and equities portion so. I think it's one that people don't talk about because it's sort of Part to digest given that the bond market and typically people in the equities markets aren't as interested in the bond market. But I think it's something to keep remind it's hard to digest. It's kind of boring like for people who are knows it's so fascinating it's so fascinating because when you look at the story. So historically Arkley the equities market has sort of shifted almost entirely to `electronic planning trading platforms but the bond market has actually lagged entirely lean so bonds are still treated as they were when you see like really old movies when they call up and they make a deal on their price sourcing and it's it's chaotic precise because Banzer. I mean it's fair a lot out of reasons but bonds are typically done Much larger packages in the people trading them are very hesitant to give away sort of their strategy and buying or selling and so it hasn't moved into today's era and I I think it's going to be As bonds come back into favor. I think this is is a company that you'll see a lot more volume a lot more revenue and just it gets a lot more interesting. I think trade web and bonds in general probably need better. Pr Maybe we. They need to create their own controversial television commercial. Just to get some buzz going. Maybe that's what we need. What are we watching? What are you watching going into two thousand twenty going into twenty twenty? I am really excited. Maybe that's the wrong word. I am very interested to watch. How big big tech in general is treated in terms of regulation? I think we're seeing a lot more scrutiny. Obviously it's we're coming up in an election which obviously brings up Some of these issues. But I think regulations are certainly on the top of everyone's mind I think taxes are on the top of everyone's mind We've seen a lot of these. Big Tech Tech companies be treated very favorably for years. And I think there's maybe a reckoning coming for that I think you're absolutely right it'll be interesting to watch and the the the fact that it's going to be a presidential election. I think that it's it's hard to go wrong. Taking swings at big successful tech companies. But I'm also curious to see to the extent to which any of the big tech companies not so much Microsoft but more alphabet Amazon and facebook apple to a lesser extent to the extent that any of them decide to make preemptive moves earlier this year. I got the chance to talk with Scott Galloway Way wrote a great book a couple years ago about the big four tech companies and. He said he thought that it was. It was different Patrick. Who wrote the facebook Kerr? Patrick was the one who said that he he thought Amazon was going to just proactively really spin out Amazon web services. I'd rather actually increasingly more within the past three months. That's the sort of Wall Street's gas maybe. Well I think if you're an Amazon shareholder I am on some level. You're Kinda rooting for that. Because it would simultaneously Reduce the regulatory risk and it would also be spinning out an incredibly large company. I mean the potential just from a stock doc perspective of of Aws tone business is is pretty enormous interesting. You say that I feel like as a shareholder I would rather stay together just because the business has so many synergies in the way that Amazon works so well as you know they get the cash flow from any of their multiple divisions and they can redeploy it wherever their best going to see growth. So I think Eight aws has been not only a growth for them but also very cash flow positive business aspect for them sort of subsidized some of those other businesses that maybe don't operate as quite as efficiently. I e the Amazon store I mean logistics are really hard business. Yes and I think you know you're seeing Amazon can compete there because they have the profitability across the company to sort of support that and so as a shareholder. I'd rather see them not broken up if I were management I think it's a really tactical next move and I think the sum of the parts here I mean it's hard to imagine because Amazon such a large company but I would imagine at that some of the parts might be even bigger than the thing together so if you go back a few years and you look at Ebay and when pay pal was in house at Ebay and and that was the drumbeat for a few years they should really spend this out unlock the value and they did and now pay pal pay panels market CAP is. I don't know three four times the size of Ebay. Maybe even more than that. Do you foresee if Amazon were to spinout w aws for see something like that where aws becomes dramatically more successful and bigger than and the result. The resulting Amazon. Or do you just think now it works better together. I'm not predicting that type of Split. I don't know it would be quite as drastic but I do think at least in the short term. Aws is the more attractive. 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Jon Pardi Rancho Fiesta Sessions

Currently On

14:54 min | 2 months ago

Jon Pardi Rancho Fiesta Sessions

"Good. Afternoon everyone it is Friday August, fourteenth two thousand and twenty. It is currently two forty PM central time and I'm coming to you from Abilene Texas and I'm currently standing in my music All right to my right there I don't know hundreds of CDs. Thousands of CDs were directly behind me. Yamaha APP Yamaha CD player turntable tuner headphones, all of my stereo equipment right behind me and just a few minutes ago. I took off my headphones and I was like, wait what what is going on what? Why am I listening to this? What is happening to me? This this is crazy. Now, we all know it's Friday. So obviously, it's new music day and I really thought I knew how New Music Day was going to go today because there were certain songs that are going to be released that everyone was going to be talking about already done a number of episodes about them. Now I have listened to those songs but then I found myself listening to an album that really kind of came out of nowhere I listen to it once. I listened to it twice I started listening to it a third time on my stop stop stop take off the headphones hookup the microphone I've got to talk about this I've got a process. This I've got to think about this out. Loud. So I'm GonNa talk to you about it, and it's probably an album that you won't even consider. Here's the deal. If I would've known, the album was coming out I doubt I would even placed it on my. List to listen to now, I try to listen to everything but I mean if I had to choose between, you know different different albums of different genres of music. This album would have been at the bottom of the list it would have been on that list like get to it at some point, not a priority. But for some weird reason, I don't even know how I started listening to it today and I was like Whoa. This is pretty interesting. Okay. All right. This is pretty good. Woah. Wait a minute. This is really good and then when I got to the last track of the album, I was like, Whoa, where did that come from the album came out of nowhere the last song on the album kind of comes out of nowhere and I'm it kind of turned my whole New Music Day upside down so let's talk about it. Obviously, it's Friday August fourteenth two thousand and twenty of already stated its new music. Day. And obviously, there are three big songs. Everyone's talking about midnight sky by Miley Cyrus or. Very much You can hear the influence of Stevie Nicks from fleetwood Mac some say, Debbie. Harry from Blondie, you can kind of hear the influence there I really liked the song really really liked the song and it probably would be the song that would be listening to a lot on repeat today if this album of getting ready to tell you about if it wasn't released I would be listening probably to midnight sky by Miley Cyrus. Obviously I did an episode telling you about the song. levitating. Now, not a song, their remix of the song levitating. Let's be accurate by duleep, Madonna, missy Elliott and the blessed Madonna. Now in my previous episode referred to the blessed Madonna as a he I have no idea why the blessed Madan is a it's a she right so do Alita her song levitating the remix featuring Madonna missy Elliott and the blessed Madonna very good song very good song and Yeah. I could say a lot of things about that. But obviously, that's not what I'm here to talk to you about. So something obviously happened then we all know drake released a new. Song. Laugh now cry later laugh now cry later I'm I can't say that I'm like a I can't say I hate it. I can't say that I love it. I'm kind of indifferent but I've only listened to it a few times because well, something else dropped that has all my attention. So those are the songs. Everyone's talking about laugh now cry later, drake, levitating remix featuring, Madonna missy Elliott, and the blessed Madonna Midnight Skype Miley. Cyrus out of those three I. think Midnight Sky by Miley Cyrus is my favorite I think. But again, something happened that messed up my whole day. What happened was this? Are you ready? It's kind of interesting. You may not think it's interesting. John Party J. O. N. John Party P. A. R. D. I. John Party I can't say I'm a fan of John Party. I may be saying name correctly John Party I definitely can't say I'm a fan. I can't say I I dislike him I know who he is but I can't say Ooh I'm John Party Fan. I know I can't say that but John Party surprised all of his fans with an album called. Are you ready? Rancho. FIESTA SESSIONS RANCHO FIESTA SESSIONS RANCHO FIESTA sessions. There's nothing even about the title that'll like, Oh, I gotta listen to that Rancho Fiesta Fiesta Sessions Rancho Fiesta sessions. If I was saying fiesta sorry Rancho Fiesta sessions, I can't even say it. All right. So there is nothing about the title of Ood that looks interesting when I saw the cover of the album. I'm like there's nothing really interesting about that. There's John Party with wearing cowboy hat looks like holding a beer that you standing next to like maybe a monitor a speaker maybe and I was like, okay looks Kinda looks like a very. Seventies country album. Okay. Maybe. So there's John Party on the cover with a cowboy hat holding a beer next to a monitor speaker. Some sort looks very like I kind of feel like a seventies country album I could be wrong because country by no means is my favorite genre. So already the title. Fiesta. There's nothing about that. The cover seventies country by nothing about that. Okay, I start looking at the Alamo these are all covers. These are all covers I know all of these songs see some of these are classic country songs. But. So I'm looking at that and I'm not I hate albums that our cover albums I hate covers, I despise them. So I'm like. Okay. There's nothing about this I should listen to but for some reason I hit play and the next thing you know. I listened to the whole thing and then I started it over and then I got to the third time and I stopped. So I'm so he not only did he surprised his fans he surprised me a non Fan John Party released an album, Rancho yesterday's sessions, and he covers haggard straight. Dixie Whitley and more. That's how one article puts it. Here's a here's one article here about the album. T. G I F indeed on Friday morning August Fourteenth John Party released a surprise album of cover songs called Rancho Fiesta sessions party produced the eight songs. Eight song album during the quarantine at home when he was recording a jam session with his touring band. Now, the way I heard it is was at his home, but it was in his barn and he brought his band and they really just recorded it live like all the band together in the barn and this in this kind of I Guess Barn Studio and they just they basically recorded the songs live not like you know, hey, you record this track and we record this track and we all throw it together. No live. So I already like that vibe already like that vibe I love the sound of the album and it really. I didn't even know it at the time when I hit play but you just felt like I was listening to a ban live. Now. It really gave that Texas. Texas. Honkytonk vibe. Or country hockey talk no matter what we're what what state or city that it may be in but obviously I live here in Texas. So it gave me this vibe Texas Texas honky talk the neon lights people stepping on the on the dance floor you know boots, cowboy hats, you know beer you kind of get that vibe. And it really it really has that vibe at least the beginning of the album. This is what he says all these covers are of artists admiring look up to. There are all kinds of great names and styles of songs on here from legends I think the Magic and the fun of it all is in these eight covers of songs These are the songs that I that I really like and I grew up. Singing a party a party said in a press release. It's all my band on this whole album. We mainly did it to have fun and record and record, and it sounds like we're in your backyard playing for you and it really before read this I didn't get the VIBE. My backyard got the vibe in a Honky tonk live playing. Now, I had no idea where the album was going. So here's my first initial reaction. When they album starts the first. A probably the first five to six tracks I'm like, okay. This is a traditional country vibe I like the way it's produced like the way it sounds okay. Are these are covers but I'm still liking I'm still digging it. It's a it's that traditional country vibe even though I'm not a big country. Fan, there was something about it that I liked then when he got to track seven I was like wait a minute we'll talk about and then when he got to truck eight, where did this come from? So That's the VIBE. He wanted it like he's in your backyard play he I now continue quoting John Party here it turned into something special because it's a year when we are off the road and we recorded it live in real time out at my house. Now again, when I I listen to it, I didn't know it was recorded live. I didn't really know what he was shooting for. But everything he says I picked up on the VIBE and my I listen now here is the track listing. The bottle. Let me down famous Merle Haggard Song. Honky Tonk Man Dwight Yoakam right or wrong George. Strait Marina del Rey. George. Strait now obviously George. Strait. Alleged here in Texas. So obviously, I knew those songs probably up beside the Jukebox if I die Joe Iffy now probably up beside the JUKEBOX I. I love that song got some cool lines in it. Somebody's doing me right Keith Whitley and then track seven the waiting. By Tom, petty and the heartbreakers. Okay. Okay. That's still it's got enough country vibe to it. I can get it. So seven track six of them very traditional country not the waiting by Tom Petty and the heartbreakers. Okay. kind of hasn't enough country connection to it. I can see and then all of a sudden track eight happened. Are you ready? Nothing compares to you originally written by Prince. You probably know about from Sinead O'Connor. Nothing compares to you on an album of covers from very traditional country artists and traditional country songs where did that come from? So it was completely surprised by that. So this is what I've done. I've taken nothing compares to you. And I've placed it the. Currently on radar playlist, which is available on spotify and it's available on Apple. Music. Currently on radar playlists you WanNa follow it you WanNa like it. You want to subscribe to it adding new music all the time subtracting adding it's updated on a Sometimes it's updated more than once a day a nothing compared to you basically when I'm listening to something if I like it, I'm GonNa, put it on there. It says simple old new I'm GonNa put it on their certain an. Actually researching and looking for things that I think will be ahead and I'm putting it on there. So you get a real idea what's on my musical radar and it should be on yours. So is the track listing the bottle let me down by Merle Haggard. honkytonk man by Dwight Yoakam, right or wrong by George Strait Marina del Rey George, George Strait, prop me up beside the jukebox if I die Josephy, somebody's doing me right Keith Whitley the waiting by Tom Petty, and the heartbreakers nothing compares to you Prince. SINEAD O'Connor. You get it. All of these songs covered by John Party on surprise album. Rancho. Fiesta. Sessions Rancho yesterday sessions. It's currently on. It's currently available. I I probably will never listen to another John Party, album I probably won't go I maybe I'll go back and listen to some of his older stuff. I don't know what it is about the album but something to my ears, it clicked it worked, and well, that's kind of what's on my radar today. Now, that doesn't mean I'm going to ignore do Aletha definitely not going to ignore that Miley Cyrus Song because I really liked the Marissa Mayer miley Cyrus Drake I'm not Connie indifferent right now we'll have to wait and see maybe if I listened to it a few more times. Out of do Aletha. Draped Molly Sarah's has the most listens. duleep A- has the second most listens then then drake and then a what tops. Is, John Party listened to while the entire album and I think the fact that it's eight songs it's just perfect just perfect. So even if you're not a country fan, maybe if you're into the vibe of a live band playing live, then I think maybe you'll be into but lease go listen to the cover of nothing compares to you. You may hate it I don't know what to make out of it. I don't know what to make of it it just it came out of nowhere but there you have it. Just, wanted to bring this to you. And that's what's going on in my New Music Day what are you listening to? What are you liking? What are you hating lettuce snow comment. Email me news I F at Yahoo Dot Com News I. F. at Yahoo Dot Com what do you like? What are you hate? What are you listening to? What are you love? What are you disappointed by? What are you surprised by? There's obviously there's some other albums that were released that we could talk about right now. That I have ready queued up and I will be listening to them. Throughout the night at some point in an afternoon. All right. There you have it. Thank you for tuning in to the currently podcast. This is what I always say life is crazy crazy short get out there and enjoy it and enjoy the small things like. A surprise album a new song. Listen to it. Enjoy it. All right, everyone. Have a great day a great weekend and go listen to some music.

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From Camelot to Abilene

Inward Empire

1:13:10 hr | 3 years ago

From Camelot to Abilene

"You're listening to inward empire. A podcast about ideas and reality in American history. For more information about the show go inland empire podcast DOT wordpress DOT, com What is it that holds this country of ours together. This is a question that's on my mind and on the minds of a lot of us these days. America is in a lot of ways kind of freak show of country. There's over three, hundred, million of US drawn from every nation and race and ethnicity. You can think of we live across almost four million square miles of territory two, thousand miles from coast to coast. We're divided by all of that plus by region by politics by class by profession by values. And all of those divides getting wider it seems by the day. So, what is it that keeps it all together what gives us a common identity? What does it mean for us all to say we're Americans. There's a lot of different ways to answer that question I. think There's a lot of different components to it, but to my mind the part that's the most interesting is stories. What do we tell ourselves about you know to paraphrase the title of the painting? Where do we come from? Who are we and where are we going? These are important questions for citizens in any country but in one that's as big and diverse as the US racially culturally ideologically religiously and regionally I. Mean You name it we need to be roughly on the same page about these things if the country is going to survive. We need to share some kind of common ground when it comes to the stories, we tell ourselves about ourselves. What I'm talking about here is something that somewhere in the middle ground between history and mythology. I've been doing academic history for the last year or so and one thing that I've really noticed is that what happens in the academy among experts is incredibly important but in some ways, it's not as important as the kind of history that goes on in the world outside. If, you've been paying attention to the news, you know there's this recent case about the removal of confederate monuments in New Orleans and a bunch of other cities around the country and historians have for a long time. Now had a strong consensus that the civil war was about slavery and that the confederacy fought to defend it regular Americans on the other hand. We're still really strongly divided about why that happened. We debate it and fight about every day. And I'd suggest that those diverging ways we Americans understand that event have a pretty big impact. On the way we understand our country and our place in it, and that's just one example. What I want to explore in this episode is. You can think about it as a case study in that middle. Ground Between History and myth that for tile field in our collective imagination where these crucially important stories are grown. One of the things I love about American history is that our myths are national creation stories and epics and tales of heroes and villains. We have the luxury of studying these things in a very different way than we study the myths of say Scandinavia or Greece or China. Because our history is so young and relatively well documented. We can trace these tales back to the source. We know exactly who wrote the first national mythic takes on say George Washington but will never know who was the first Greek to tell a story about Zeus homer certainly wasn't the first person to tell the stories of the Iliad and the Odyssey I mean we're not even sure if homer was real if he was one person or many or at least one historian argues that you know that the authorship of the Greek epics should be attributed to the entire culture. American myths generally don't work like that. We can pinpoint these stories as they unfold one storyteller at a time. So what we're exploring here are the ideas of one of the most important storytellers this country ever produced. You may have never heard of him but I guarantee you know his creative offspring very very well. His name is Owen wister. His time was the late nineteenth and. Th centuries and more than anyone else. He set the terms for how we as a culture as members of this weird conglomerate called America imagine one of the key figures in our Pantheon. That figure is the American cowboy. Now Owen wister was not the first person to write popular stories about cowboys. In fact, by the time, he began publishing short stories about the West in the eighteen ninety s cowboys were all over American culture. They appeared in Buffalo Bill's wild west show starting in eighteen, eighty three, and before that, they were a fixture in these things called dime novels basically cheap and violent pulp fiction. The appeared in popular art and stage plays to. What wister did was to take that stock character. This cowboy is he existed in popular media and put him in a more literary setting one that would be more acceptable especially to middle class readers. The outcome of that was a book called the Virginian it came out in Nineteen ninety-two was a huge success and it really set the terms for how the cowboy would be portrayed really through the present day. The cowboys you see in Western films and novels are almost all variations on whispers version of this character. This might be a good place to sit down and ask why does the cowboy matter? There's really two sides to questions like this. There's the historical side and cowboys were certainly important and fascinating historically. They. Started out after the civil war as dirt poor entrepreneurs, people like Oliver Loving or Charles Goodnight were basically trying to survive and create some order out of chaos and poverty that came out of the war. Basically, there were millions of cattle roaming through the southern plains. The Union army had cut off the access to eastern markets during the war and the cattle just multiplied like crazy. He's early cowboys round them up and Organiz cattle drives to railroad hubs and places like Abilene in Kansas. The original cruise of these cattle drives were a mix of former confederates and former slaves. Historians think that between a quarter and a third of them, where people of color and their lives were not easy or glamorous being a cowboy was dirty dangerous exhausting work as historian heather. Cox Richardson describes quote cowboys often went for days without sleep especially in the first two weeks of the drive when the cattle reliable to stampede Charles Goodnight recalled the men slept on the ground with their horses staked nearby. Sometimes, the demands were so urgent that are boots were not taken off for an entire week. Nerves became so tense that it was a standing rule that no man was to be touched by another when asleep until after he had been spoken to. The man who suddenly aroused a sleeper was liable to be shot as all were thoroughly armed and understood the instant use of the revolver and rifle. Cowboys working in extremes of heat and cold. We're constantly endanger death under the hooves of stampeding cattle in rivers or in battles with hostile Indians. Their pay was low they lived on straight beef. They had no tents, no tarps and damned few slickers Teddy Blue Abbott explained they never kicked because those boys was raised under just the same conditions as there was on the trail corn meal and Bacon for grub dirt floors in the houses and no luxuries. and quote. So that's the historical side of the cowboy. But the other side of this question. The one which today is a lot of ways more important. Has To do with image and the image of the cowboy is important because of the values it represents. The cowboy embodies a whole set of values and ideas and together those constitute a kind of ideal American type. The cowboy is so pervasive and so recognizable that I might not even need to do this but. Let's just run through the ones that for my money or the most important. First and foremost the cowboys stands for rugged independence. He, and it's almost always a he is a strong capable outdoorsman who lives forever out there out on the open range away from the city away from family away from home, and especially away from the government he's self sufficient. He doesn't need much as teddy blue it said he can live on corn meal and Bacon. He's a good worker. He's competent. He's got the endurance to spend the whole day in the saddle and he gets the tough jobs done without complaining. He's plainspoken when he speaks at all, he knows animals especially cattle and especially horses with whom he has a special. Almost, ESP kind of understanding. The cowboys loyal to his friends and his boss. He also understands honor. He has a code in unspoken code about behavior about speech about work and about violence because the cowboy is also always ready for violence he carries at least one gun and he can shoot the hell out of those things. This ties in with the self-sufficiency, he can defend himself against cattle, thiefs, gunslingers, and other bad men especially those who break or threaten his code of honor. He lives an all male society on the trail among men like himself. Consequently he's kind of awkward around women. He might fall in love but rarely if ever does he marry marriage means settling down, it means leaving this whole world of the trail behind. If the cowboy is an animal that world is his natural habitat. And the cowboy even the modern ones who work on ranches and Rodeos are forever tied to the values and imagery of a special time and place. The American west of the late nineteenth and very early twentieth centuries. The cowboy stands for all this but he also stands against things to he stands against the values of the east of Cities Business homelife comfort, and especially softness both physical and mental. This tough weatherbeaten hard-bitten man is like a reproach to other kinds of men who make their money in wage work or white collar pencil-pushing kinds of jobs. He exists in a kind of rugged ideal state out there on the frontier working hard fighting hard and asking nothing of his government. His existence is a reproach against anyone who does. This leaves us with the question of how this whole complex of ideas and values got attached to these dirt poor cattle workers on the southern plains of post civil war. America. How did that happen? Owen wister is right at the center of the answer. We're going to explore this through the Lens of an essay that he wrote in eighteen, ninety five called the evolution of the cow puncher and the essay. He placed these themes about work about government about the manliness language, self sufficiency, and race at the heart of his explanation of who cowboys were and what they stood for. The ideas in this essay formed the basis for his book, the Virginia, his magnum opus of Nineteen ninety-two with as I've said, set the terms for how cowboys would be portrayed up through the present day. So by exploring wister and this work, we're exploring the roots of a key figure in the American imagination. The first thing you need to know about wister is that he came from the world that the cowboy is supposed to stand against. wister was no westerner. He was a sheltered young man from a rich old money Philadelphia family. As his biographer John Cobb puts it quote that the man who created the prototype of the most enduring of American folk heroes. The cowboy was a pedigree Aristocrat, a Harvard educated Philadelphia Boyer, and a Patricia by moral conviction is an irony of such vulgarity that Owen wister himself would have scorned it but it's true. The forces that directed whispers life were those of birth breeding and carefully cultivated gentility. and quote. wister was born in eighteen sixty into a blue blood family heritage. His great great grandfather had signed the Declaration of independence. His Grandmother Fanny Campbell was an international celebrity, the best known Shakespearean actress of her time. She had married and then famously divorced in insanely wealthy plantation owner in the south. Carolina Sea Islands. She then used her celebrity status to advocate for abolition. Stress Father Owen Jones wister, who as we'll see made his son's life. Absolutely miserable was a doctor from an old money Philadelphia merchant family. Whistler's mother Sarah Butler wister was difficult and deeply intelligent woman who wrote anonymous articles about society and politics for the Atlantic monthly. Shall be controlling it often critical towards her son but also encouraging unlike her husband she seems to have realized that her son was a creative person and encouraged him in his endeavors early on. Owen always had to fight to escape his parents influence. But he could never really bring himself to reject them. In fact, he was something of a mother's boy. He wrote her at least one letter a week between eighteen seventy and her death thirty eight years later. Maybe needless to say he had a sheltered childhood. Wealthy families of the gilded age wanted to make sure that their kids would still retain those classic Yankee Values Virtue Discipline Hard work even though they were growing up in an environment that was exploding with money. Whispers parents tried to do this by sending him to the best schools in eighteen seventy at age ten, they sent him to Europe, he stayed in boarding schools in Switzerland and England for three years and learn to speak perfect French in the process. After coming home to the US, he spent five years at the elite Saint Paul School in Concord New Hampshire. After that almost inevitably he went to Harvard. In this childhood wister was really following the classic prescribed course that wealthy families in the northeast laid out for their songs. It was a life spent on a carefully prepared track. It ended in a successful business career, a good marriage and a life of virtuous comfort. It was privileged. It was safe. And it was boring. Just before starting his freshman year of college wister wrote his mother, a letter that shows that he was starting to Chafe at the limits of this life. Crucially important for his future was that he seemed to be looking to the outdoors for a solution. He also seemed to feel shame about the successful but soft man that he was becoming. As he put it. He complained that quote. I have never camped out or gone shooting and lots of boys have and I feel a big desire to do so. I don't WanNa be a houseboy and have tried not to. and quote. He, clearly felt there was something shameful about being what he called a houseboy especially when he compared himself to those other boys, the ones whose parents let them go hunting and shooting. You would expect her to go wild when he got to. Harvard to rebel to really push back against the limits of this life. But Mr spent his years at Harvard Doing Everything but rebelling. In fact, he spent most of his time they're taking part in the life of the elite clubs those Harvard clubs with weird names like the hasty pudding or the porcelain. He was a Phi, Beta Kappa. He became best friends with Teddy Roosevelt. Another young Harvard guy from an old money family who would also go on to play a big role in creating the whole mythology of the nineteenth century West. By, all accounts wister was a great student. He graduated summa cum laude in eighteen eighty two and he was ready to embrace a career in of all things. Composing classical music. That's right folks young Owen wister, the future writer hardcore red blooded American cowboy fiction dreamed of being a composer. He wrote and performed his first big piece, a light opera version of Daito and aeneas during his last year at Harvard. Right after graduating Europe to continue his musical studies. His family connections meant that he studied with the best at the composer Wagner elite studio in Beirut with President played for the composer Franz Liszt another one of the musical titans of the late nineteenth century. List apparently thought wister had some genuine talent. He gave him a lot of encouragement and letters of recommendation. From there Mr took those letters to the Paris Conservatoire, which just like today was one of the top music schools in the world. Music would stay an important part of his life until at least eighteen, eighty nine when wister composed an opera about the Aztec Emperor Montezuma, which was never performed knowing whispers tendency for melodrama `thus might have been for the best. Anyway The musical dream came to a sudden end in eighteen eighty three. Letter came to Paris from Worcester's father demanding that he come home stop this music business and find himself a proper career. What that meant was a job at a bank. As Worcester put it, he went below stairs into the Union safe deposit vaults and sat on a high hard stool computing interest. He hated this job he was desperate to get out of it. After about a year, he switched to clerking in a law. That didn't really do it for him either. He wanted to be a composer and between the stresses of work and feeling depressed about this career. His father had denied him. He was bitter. His creativity and his bitterness all came together to produce a book which he ironically titled a Wise Man Son. The spoke was about a young promising painter whose father forces him to become a businessman following the advice of William Dean howells one of the big authors of the time he never published it. In eighteen, eighty, five wister seems to have suffered a total nervous breakdown. In fact, he suffered his entire life from these chronic health problems. His biographers think that you know along with the constraints of his childhood, his health problems help to explain why he idealized these rugged Freeman of the West. Again as John Cobb explains quote. By the spring of Eighteen, eighty, five, the frustrations of his aborted business career, the unappealing prospect of the law, and perhaps the discouragement over houses. Rejection of his novel were steadily destroying whispers health, which had never been very good as a boy he had suffered from weak is chronic headaches and insomnia and his years at Saint Paul's and Harvard had seen several sieges of vague but distressing nature, the beginning of a series of strange and elusive attacks that were to last throughout whispers life. His mother believed that his urine Switzerland in eighteen seventy one had undermined his health and scarred him emotionally for life. In Eighteen, ninety six, he spent the winter in Europe on advice of doctors and one thousand, nine, hundred he was hospitalized for weeks for a mysterious malady. This was repeated in one, thousand, nine, hundred, four in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty complained of something wrong with my insides that no doctor could name and nineteen o nine, hundred ten he was sick for an entire year mystifying family friends and physicians and quote. Mental health problems and psychosomatic illnesses were kind of epidemic in the upper class. American. World of wister family. Nineteenth Century doctors lumped most of these conditions under the umbrella of NEURASTHENIA NEURASTHENIA covered. So many symptoms as to be basically meaningless, but nonetheless, it was so commonly diagnosed in the US that some people called it American idol. And as a sufferer of this mostly upper-class Disease Wister was prescribed common cure to get out of the city get away from the stresses and pressures of work. Go somewhere with the air was cleaner, the landscape different, the environment healthier. For some this meant in ocean liner or a seaside town or a spa in the BERKSHIRES. For Worcester it meant Wyoming. By the time he went out there in eighteen eighty five, the West was already a place that was increasingly familiar as among other things a tourist spot for rich easterners. The transcontinental railroad lines the first of which was finished in eighteen sixty nine opened the whole region up to people who were hungry for a real taste of country that they thought was more wild more exciting more untamed than the boring old east. At the time going out there took some serious cash. The customers in this early period of Western tourism were almost entirely from the well-heeled, world. As historian. Points out in his excellent book, the Eastern. Establishment and the Western experience. It was ironic that you know when these easterners went out there they imagined this wild and exotic and exciting place. But at the same time, they wanted to make their experience there as cushy and safe as possible. Their trips to the wild west were more like five star luxury vacations. He writes that quote, the pattern of eastern visits to the West, the eighteen seventies and early eighteen eighties was dictated by the types of visitors and the tastes of the. Times. A Coast to coast railroad trip cost approximately three hundred dollars. That's about seventy five hundred dollars today not including meals the celebrated Raymond Tours I organized by a New England railroad magnate in eighteen seventy nine advertised winter trips to California with hotel expenses included for seven hundred fifty dollars. That's over eighteen thousand dollars today. Small wonder that a superior class of easterners traveled westward in this period. It costs too much to get here for the scum of the earth to be among them a California noted. As coast to coast travel increased pullman cars grew more lavish with stained glass windows, carpeted floors, and frescoed ceilings. Some wealthy easterners such as Ronaldo Wealth Emerson who went West in eighteen seventy one rented private cars. One family traveled in a four car train with made several cooks, nurses, porters, and a Pinkerton detective. The exclusive tours such as Raymond's published previous passenger lists and their advertisements, and noted that there tourists were of a refined and cultured class. and. Quote. When they finally got their these tourists spent a lot of their time simply socializing among their own kind opulent. One of the more self-aware visitors to the region said that quote. People go there not to worship nature, but to see and be seen by their kind, they play tennis and golf swim in warm tax drive behind fine horses dress for dinner and do all these things in the conventional and polite way and quote. Even people who did WANNA taste of the authentic life on the prairie often brought their high styling way of life out there with them. That was the case you might remember with the Group of Rich New Yorkers who went hunting with buffalo bill they brought all kinds of stuff with them. They brought wagons full of ice and champagne. They brought Greyhound hunting dogs. They'd eat dinner on tables with White Linen and silver service they'd. Be, served by waiters and jackets and ties. I mean what a site that must have been but Owen wister in this recovery season of his in Wyoming in eighteen, eighty five did not experience the West like most people of his class. In fact, it seems like he had this almost instant revelation about a kind of life in a place that was so alluring because it had nothing to do with the life he had known beforehand. The shelter childhood, the Education in Europe pent at Saint, Paul's and Harvard the elite club is the celebrity relatives. All. That had nothing to do with Wyoming. Remember how just before he went to Harvard, he wrote his mother that letter about how he didn't want to be a houseboy. Will now finally. He got the chance to taste that forbidden fruit. and He loved. And we know this because he wrote it all down as he lived it. Later in life he said that quote. Never. Before had I been able to sustain a diary? No matter. How thrilling my experiences But upon every western expedition, I kept a full faithful realistic diary details about packhorses camps in the mountains camps in the sagebrush nights in town cards with cavalry officers meals with cow punchers, roundups scenery, the yellowstone park trout, fishing hunting with Indians shooting antelope, whitetail deer, black tailed deer, elk bear mountain, sheep I don't know why I wrote it all down. So carefully, I had no purpose in doing so or any suspicion that it was driving Wyoming into my blood and marrow and fixing it there. and quote. The West became an addiction. WISTER would go back again and again fifteen times every year between eighteen, eighty, five, and nineteen hundred. He kept a diary, each and every time. Later on, he would be intentionally hunting for raw materials for his cowboy stories. In the early diaries though there was something else. Pure Liberation Freedom from family in the stuffy society he had been born into. It was all about escape. Escaped from work for one thing as he put it quote. This existence is heavenly in its monotony and sweetness. Risher, we're going to do it every summer. A beginning to be able to feel on something of an animal and not a stinking brain alone the summers in Wyoming. He said were holidays from my perfunctory days at the office the forgetting for a moment of detested occupation, the homecoming and prospect of the office and dribbling legalities was gloomy think. Wyoming. Also meant escape from family especially from the watchful eye of his mother. In some of his letters home you really get a sense that he's reveling even gloating in his from his parents. In that first summer in the West, he wrote a letter to his mother that he probably calculated would make her upset. He said quote when I've been most enjoying myself I've laughed and likewise shudder to think how you would probably have hated every minute. Everything that you most particularly poor in practice no matter how much you think it theoretically end democratically beautiful has happened at least twice. and quote. Really, leaving that last part up to the imagination isn't he? Of course, you have to keep in mind that wister would probably not have written about the West is this kind of wild beautiful land of escape. If he actually had to live and work there, it was vacation land for him. The release he felt was the relief of occasioning outsider. Hints of that Creep through in his diaries sometimes in revealing ways, there's one passage for example, where he's in the middle of describing this raw elemental landscape. And then he says that it reminds him of divall Kyrie referring to the opera by Wagner. The Lens. In which he's seeing the West with still the lens of the elite well educated recently ex composer he was not totally on self-aware about this I mean you see it in his fiction for example, he he usually writes the narrator as some kind of outsider figure someone who is not a Westerner himself someone who's an easterner whose fueling the slant for the first time so you know he's not totally without self awareness. Are. There's something else that he sees in this landscape to he saw something that would become absolutely foundational in his fiction and let's remember that by extension that means part of the foundation of our Western mythology. Let's think about it as a turning of the wheel of civilization. He saw that inevitably this frontier world that land of escape, the land of rugged independence was going to disappear. Even as he watched wister saw this wild west transforming into something that looked an awful lot like the east, the world he was trying to escape from. Life in Wyoming as he put it was quote. A life is strange as any of the country has seen and it will slowly make room for Cheyenne's Chicago's and ultimately inland New York's everything reduced to the same flat prairie like level of utilitarian civilization. Brandon's and beaches will give way to tweeds and Jay Gould's and the stock ticker will replace the rifle and quote. This is important. This idea the West is an unspoiled land and that's something tragic was about to overtake it. It was a tragedy for the west to become the home of inland New York says, he says, the home of that utilitarian civilization just wants to build buy and sell the land of the cowboys, the brandon's beaches. giving. Way To lesser men corrupt politicians like boss Tweed of New York or scheming financiers like Jay Gould. Pay attention to whispers disdain for business disdain for the stock ticker how he contrast that with the pure simpler better world of the cowboys and rifles. He was horrified by the idea of the West becoming on a region wide scale something that was like a combination of his mother's drawing room and his job at the bank. In eighteen ninety, two after seven years of annual Western visits wister decided to become the chronicler of this vanishing world. As he told it in one, thousand, nine, thirty, it happened while he was sitting in a comfy chair in the upscale Tavern Club in Boston quote. One Autumn evening of eighteen, ninety, two fresh from Wyoming and it's wild glories I sat in the club dining with a man as enamored of the West as I was. Why wasn't some Rudyard kipling saving the Sagebrush for American literature. Before the Sagebrush and all that it signified went the way of the California forty nine went the way of the Mississippi steamboat went the way of. Saying. Roosevelt had seen the sagebrush true had felt it's poetry and also Frederic Remington who illustrated his article so well. But what was fiction doing fiction? The only thing that has always outlived fact. According to Worcester, he announced his answer to that question on the spot. He said, I'm going to try myself I'm going to start this minute. And he did. His first stories about the lives of Westerners especially, cowboys began appearing later that year in Harper's monthly. He was on a mission. He said to become the hand that once and for all chronicled and lead bear the virtues of this extraordinary phase of social progress. The year after Mr made a life changing acquaintance in the Wilderness of Yellowstone Park. Frederic Remington was another Ivy League or a yelled graduate and the creator of some of the most stunning and influential Western. Art Ever made. One of the many interesting things about Remington is that he to shared this vision of a vanishing world. He in Wister, you know they weren't the only ones who shared this conception of the West they didn't invent it or anything, but I think given their combined massive influence on the way we think about this time and place in our past it's definitely worth noting. wister and Remington felt that turning of the civilization wheel and they both felt this sense of mission like they had to capture their vision of the West on paper or canvas before it was gone forever. REMINGTON described his wife awakening like this quote. Evening overtook me one night in Montana and I by good luck made the campfire of an old wagon freighter who shared his Bacon and coffee with me. I was nineteen years of age and he was very old man. Over the pipes at developed that he was born in western New York and had gone west at an early age. His West was Iowa Thence, during his long life, he had followed the receding frontiers always further and further west. I knew the railroad was coming. I saw the men already swarming into the land. I knew the wild writers and the vacant land were about to vanish forever. And the more I considered the subject, the bigger the forever loomed. Without knowing exactly how to do it I began to try to record some facts around me and the more I looked the more the panorama unfolded. I saw the living breathing end of three American centuries of smoke. Dust and sweat. and. Quote. So remington is like Worcester in that you know he's looking at the west and he's seeing this grand vision, the the end of an era. This heroic age of the West is ending with the smoke and noise of the railroad and all those swarms of ordinary people over running this perfect wildland. But I find especially interesting how you know they both had this compulsive need to record that vanishing world as they saw it. Each one did it in his preferred medium with in his diaries REMINGTON and drawings and paintings, and eventually sculpture although Remington was also a pretty good writer himself. Needless to say wister and Remington hit off along with Teddy Roosevelt they formed this three way kind of mutual admiration club. REMINGTON would illustrate things that western Roosevelt wrote and together a unit they began to present this vision of the West to a growing audience. In eighteen ninety-five this friendship between whistler and Remington produced a remarkable creation. So remarkable in fact that we're going to spend the rest of the episode talking about it. What they produced was an essay which wister wrote and Remington illustrated. They called it the evolution of the cow puncher and it appeared in the pages of Harper's new monthly magazine and September eighteen ninety five. That word cow puncher was just period slang for cowboy. The name comes from one of their common jobs which was prodding cattle up a ramp onto the trains that would take them from roundup sites like Abilene to slaughter houses in places like Chicago, and what we have in this essay is a kind of mission statement by two crucial national mythmakers about what kind of role they wanted this mythical cowboy to play. And by really digging into this tax I, think we get a lot of invaluable insight into the sometimes dark origins of this national figure. wister starts the essay with an allegory. Far from the West in England, in fact, in the passenger compartment on a railway car, there are two men. One is a well-heeled English aristocrat. The other a rough cut American frontier type. And they sit there staring at one another one despising what he sees in the other man there are too many differences differences in style class nationality, the sources of their wealth. The fact that they both speak English mixed the differences between them seem all the more stark. These two men embody just how far apart America and Britain of grown since independence. In fact, the same year this essay appeared the two countries almost went to war over of all things aboard or dispute in Venezuela. So these two men sitting across from one another in this imaginary train car. The English aristocrat disrespect the American because he's rough, he doesn't have the culture. He doesn't have the breeding he has new money. The American on the other hand hates the British guy for his uptight aristocracy. But according to wister beneath the surface tension. There's something else. There's a common bond based on something deeper than these basic differences. It comes out he says in little things like their language. According to him, they share a drawl. The Englishman's is the piccadilly. TROU- while. The Frontiers Zeman speaks in the Trans Missouri Variety. For wister. This link in the way these men talk underlines one of his most important points, the frontiers Zeman, and the ARISTOCRAT, the American and the Englishman are united by their common racial identity as anglo-saxons. These draws these accents. He says are at bottom one and the same the Anglo Saxons note of attornal contempt for whatever lies outside the beat of his personal experience. So I took an observation of these two anglo-saxons draw one, another the prejudice one, hundred years. And I thought it might come to a row. Somehow, in this allegorical story, the two men don't fight one another. Years After these events the ARISTOCRAT finds himself in Texas in the heart of cattle country. And something happens there. Instead of being a fish out of water instead of being isolated and laughed out of town for his highfalutin ways the English aristocrat finds himself totally at home. It turns out that he shares a surprising amount with the cow punchers of the West. In At heart he's he's really wanted them the two groups, the aristocrats and the cowboys share skills they share values, lifestyles. There's a bond there that spaced half on culture and half on heritage. Let wister take the wheel here out west. He says quote. The noblemen won the western heart. Forthwith. Took it by surprise, democracy had read in the papers so often about the despot in his effectiveness. This despot vaulted into the saddle and stuck to the remarkably ingenious ponies that had been chosen with care to disconcert him. When they showed him pistols, he was found to be already acquainted with that weapon. He quickly learned how to rope a steer. The card habit ran in his noble blood as it did in the cowboys, he could sleep on the ground and rough it with the best of them and with the best of them, he could drink and help make town clamorous. Deep in him. Play virtues and vices course and elemental as there's doubtless the windows of Saint James Street sometimes opened in his memory and he looked into them and desired to speak with those whom he saw inside and the whiskey was not the old stuff the cut glass bottles, but he never said so and in time he died widely esteemed. Texas found no count against him. Save his pronunciation of such words as bath and fancy misfortune lead to the accident of his birth, and you will hear today in that flannel shirt a democracy only good concerning this aristocrat born and bred and quote. So what on Earth is whistler up to here isn't this an essay about cowboys the evolution of the cow puncher. So. Why is he obsessing over this made up English aristocrat. Well, there's a few hints in that quote I, just read. Did your ears. Pick up a little bit when you heard that line about the card playing habit running in the British guys noble blood. Guess we say stuff like that. Sometimes figure of speech right? Well, IT TURNS OUT MR means it literally. Turns out in whispers, mind cowboys and aristocrats are both drawn from the same kind of racial stock. Both groups he says are pure Anglo Saxons and further you aristocrat there's something about the West that reawakens instincts and him. Summing up the point of this allegorical story wister writes quote that is the object lesson that is the gist of the matter. As soon as the English nobleman Smelt Texas, the slumbering Tamed Saxon. Awoke in Him and mindful of the tournament. Of the Hunting field galloped howling after wild cattle aboard horsemen a perfect athlete and in spite of the peerage and Jules Ardent fundamentally kin with the drifting vagabonds who swore and galloped by his side. and quote. Drawing on the racial pseudoscience of the day wister believed that racial groups like the Anglo Saxons had these innate characteristics. These included what we today would think of more like cultural traits, things like favorite pastimes or sports or skills. But for Worcester these are more like unchanging racial characteristics. They stay in the blood sometimes latent waiting for generations until circumstances bring them out once again. This is why the West brings out. This Wild Saxon conqueror, which wister says is like the true original personality of the soft aristocrat and wister says that this is not the first time something like this has happened. In fact, he lays out a whole lineage of anglo-saxons who generation after generation rediscover their essential shoe selves in the pursuit of empire quote. Adventure to be out of doors to find some new place far away from the postman to enjoy independence of spirit or mind body. This is the cardinal surviving fittest instinct that makes the Saxon through the centuries conqueror invader navigator, buccaneer explorer colonists, tiger, shooter. Lifts Pilgrim among the immortals at Plymouth. Rock dangles a pirate from the gallows on the docks of Bristol. At all times when historic conditions or private stress have burst his domestic crust and let him fly out naturally there he is on dairy peak or through Magellan or across the Missouri or up the Columbia, a Hawkins, a boon, a grey or a nameless vagrant. The Same Saxon plowing the sees and carving the forests in every shape of man from preacher to thief and in each shape. Change Leslie untamed. and quote. That figure of the Saxon that whispers talking about here is like an eternal historical type. All these different people through the centuries suggest different faces that pure archetypal figure. We can borrow a phrase from philosopher Joseph Cambell. He's the Anglo Saxon with a thousand faces. From pilgrims to pirates, wister sees this race obeying their blood instincts living out a grand historical epoch of conquest and self-fulfilment. It's all because of that wild independent spirit which drives them to expand and explore and conquer which she treats like a racial trait. Going back to our English aristocrat in our American Frontier Zeman. In that story at the beginning of the essay, you know both of them are just two more faces of this attornal anglo-saxon. When that Aristocrat goes west, he's giving play to his blood instincts on the southern Plains of Texas. As Worcester says quote? This man's outcome typifies the way of his race from the beginning. Hundreds like him have gone to Australia Canada India, and have done likewise, and in our own continent, you may see the thing plainer than anywhere else and quote. So race empire manliness are all interacting in some pretty complex ways here. You can also throw in destiny because why not? After all if this whole thing is based on instinct that removes choice from the matter, doesn't it? It's not about petty things like wealth or fame. It's about pursuing this nameless urge deep inside you. Mr Elaborates on this says quote throughout the Anglo Saxons career. It has been his love to push further into the wilderness and his fate thereby to serve larger causes than his own. In, following his native bent, he furthers unwittingly design outside himself. He cuts the way for the common law and self government and new creeds, policies and nations arise in his wake and quote. And this brings us finally to the cowboy. There's an illustration by Frederic Remington that went along with this text and it describes the cowboys place in this historical scheme. Beautifully. You can see this on the wordpress page by the way, it's called the last cavalier and it's a wonderfully poetic image. We see dozens of men on horseback drawn from centuries past he pox of time stretching back to the fall of Rome. All, except one of them are shrouded in this fog of time, they're disappearing gradually into the passed into history and myth and legend. Barbarian horsemen we can see our three and Knights Crusaders Kings. Courtiers Cavaliers explorers this whole lineage of warriors that connect medieval England to the colonial era. And right in the foreground in full living color a warrior on horseback like his forebears is a cowboy. There in a single image remington beautifully compliments whispers argument. It's a simple one, but it's written in the most touring pros you can imagine. The cowboy in ways that are racial, ideological and cultural. Is the direct descendant of the Medieval Anglo Saxon night? Quote. And as he has ruled the waves with his ship from that. Viking. Time until yesterday at. Samoa. So upon land has the horse been the Anglo Saxons foster brother his ally, his play fellow from the tournament at Camelot to the round up at Abilene. The blood and the sweat of his jousting and all the dirt and stains have faded in the long sunlight of tradition, and in the chronicles of Romance, we hear none of his cursor obscenity, the clash of his armor rings mellow and heroic down through the ages into our modern ears. But. His direct lineal offspring among our western mountains has had no poet to connect him with the eternal no distance to lend him enchantment. Though he has fought single-handed with savages and through skill and daring prevailed but we as made his nightly bed in one thousand miles of snow and loneliness. He has not and never will have the concentration of memory. No doubt Sir Lancelot bore himself with grace and breeding of which our unpolished fellow with the cattle trail has only the latent possibility but in personal daring and in skill as to the Horse, the night and the cowboy are nothing but the same Saxon of different environments for Noblemen in London and the noblemen in Texas and no Hook in Sir Thomas Mallory shakes the crumbling planes with quadrupeds. Sound more valiant than the galloping that his echoed from the Rio Grande to the big horn. Mountains. and. Quote There's so much going on in that passage that I'm not sure where to start. Maybe, a good place would be with the connections draws. You know let's start with the fact that each group is a master of some kind of mount. The night has his horse. So does the cowboy. WISTER even kind of dubiously throws the Scandinavian Vikings in there too with their ships. That's potentially dangerous thing to do if you're trying to argue for this untainted anglo-saxon. Bloodline. There's that equivalency to between the round up and the jousting tournaments. Again, that's bad history considering how differentiated form and function those two institutions are. But that's the thing. Isn't it? We're not dealing with history here we're dealing with myth. And I hope that hearing those supercharged rhythms of whispers pros. You might be starting to get a sense of why wister was such a powerful myth maker. In fact, you can see that Mr is also setting himself up. He setting himself up to be the myth maker the cowboys he's setting himself up to be the Sir Thomas, Mallory of the West. He's saying that you know no one will ever be able to chronicle the experts of these men. There's never going to be sir. Thomas Mallory of the planes. But in the mind of his reader, you can see that he setting up the desire for such a thing for such a person. One of the fun things about this essay is that there's this hidden element of advertising. He's hoping that by the time you're done reading this, you're going to be hungry for whatever this Sir Thomas Mallory of the planes is gonNA produce. Anyway let's go back to this racial thing with whispers insistence that all cowboys were these pure anglo-saxons. I've always wondered about this. You know worcester wasn't someone who just sat at home in Philadelphia and wrote cowboy stories without ever going to the West he went over and over again year after year he saw lot of this region at first hand. And again, as I've mentioned earlier, according to a third of nineteenth century, cowboys were people of Color wister must have seen at least some of them and if he didn't, he must have heard about them. So for a man committed to capturing something of the reality of the West before it disappeared, that's a bit of a conundrum. So what accounts for his obsession with this pure anglo-saxon cowboy? The truth is there's another reason why wister and Remington thought it was so important to portray cowboys as entirely anglo-saxon. It's not just about eighteen, ninety five and the war crisis with Britain and bringing the two countries closer together. The major reason why they did this has to do with immigration. It's not really about black and white. It's actually more about the division between old and new groups of European immigrants. The evolution of the cow puncher is trying to make the cowboy into a mythic symbol of an earlier supposedly racially pure time in America. In the minds of wister and Remington, this was a time that existed before the massive numbers of these. So called new immigrants from southern and Eastern Europe began arriving in the last couple of decades of the nineteenth century. Whispers West at turns out is no place for any of them. This wild environment has no place for non Anglo Saxons because he says, only anglo-saxons have kept the physical and mental virtues that allow them to survive and flourish out there. Is West. Then is this last bastion, a racially pure America standing against the corrupted decaying and increasingly un-american cities quote. No root of modern ground is more debased and Mongrel with its hordes of encroaching alien vermin that turn our cities to Babbel's and our citizenship to a hybrid farce who degrade our Commonwealth from a nation into something half pawnshop half broker's office. But. To survive in the clean cattle, country requires spirit of adventure courage and self sufficiency. You will not find many polls or Hans are Russian Jews in that district. It stands as yet untainted by the benevolence of Baron Hirsch and quote. wister comes down especially hard on Jews. Beyond simple antisemitism, which was kind of big among the upper class Americans of the day wister is also using the Jews as a foil in this mythical story. He contrast them with his heroic anglo-saxons who in his telling conquered the world out of instinct not for profit as he puts it, it is not the dollars that played I fiddle with the Anglo Saxon or else our Hebrew friends pioneered the whole of us. But it goes farther than just lashing out against the new immigrants out of Eastern Europe. Western and northern Europeans he says are also too weak and too unfit to be, cowboys. What he describes as basically a graveyard of failed conqueror races. All these people who were once upon a time strong enough to take on the world. But now for whatever reason they have degenerated quote. Even in the cattle country the respectable Swedes settled chiefly to farming and are seldom horsemen. The Frenchman today is seen at his best inside the house he can paint and he can play comedy, but he seldom climbs a new mountain. The Italian has forgotten Columbus and sells fruit among the Spaniards and Portuguese no cortes or Magellan is found today. Except, in Prussia, the teutonic is too often tame slippered animal with his pedantic mind swaddled in a dressing gown. But the Anglo Saxon is still forever homesick for out of doors. and. Quote. It's worth hitting the pause button here to note that Remington whispers illustrator was even more officiously anti immigrant than wister was in some of his private letters Remington unleashed his disgust at all of these new people who were claiming to be Americans to. In fact, he said that he was looking forward to the day when the country would collapse in some kind of race war and he could finally kill his share of people clearly regarded as subhuman. 1893, he wrote to a friend that quote. You can't glorify a Jew. I am a hero worshipper nasty humans. I've got some winchester's and when the massacring begins, I can get my share of him and what's more I will. Jews engines chinamen hunts the rubbish of the earth I hate. On, the question of open immigration and a kind of counterpoint to the famous Send Me Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free on the Statue of Liberty. Remington wrote this quote. Our race is full of sentiment. We got to thinking so far ahead that we are not always practical and we invite the rinsing 's the scouring 's and the devils leavings to come to us and B. Men something they haven't been most of them these hundreds of years. As short shooting, we will someday reap the reward of our humanitarianism. which is folly. and quote. So that's RIMINGTON's counterpoint to you know send me your huddled masses yearning to breathe. Free. We're getting a sense here of how whispers cowboys stands against a changing America. There's the old racial stock versus the new. There's the unspoiled country versus the degraded cities. There's the rugged cowhand versus the soft white collar worker. I. Think we'd be remiss if we didn't also take a second here to talk about work remember this is the late nineteenth century. A lot of people are industrial wage workers and it's a dark time to be one of those. Strikes happening everywhere all the time thirty, seven, thousand of them give or take between each ninety one and nineteen o five Worcester's riding this again in eighteen ninety five, it's two years into a really bad economic depression. The eighteen ninety s have already seen to massive and violent strikes in some of the nation's most important industries. Most of the biggest strikes of this time or in urban areas and many of the strikers especially, the more radical ones are immigrants. One of the first things I read from wister not in this essay if this someplace else was about cowboys and he said that cowboys work hard play hard and they don't go on strike. I thought that was kind of weird. The first time I read it you know what is the link between cowboys and striking but if you think about the context of the time, it makes perfect sense. Whispers. Cowboys are good workers who were the opposite of those striking immigrants. They get the job done and they never complain no matter how bad the conditions get. As, he wrote in the evolution of the cow puncher quote. When the men lay rolled in his blanket sleeping warm and unconcerned beneath driving storm of snow, his horse pod through to the SAGEBRUSH and subsisted. So it came to be said of such an animal, a meal a day is enough for a man who gets to ride that horse. In reality though cowboys did occasionally go on strike. The big one was a failed attempt in eighteen, eighty, three, two years before wister I went to Wyoming where cowboys tried to organize against changing conditions in the cattle industry. A lot of the western cattle deleted violence in the eighties and nineties was in fact not between cowboys and rustlers but between big ranchers and their former employees, a lot of whom we're just trying to go into business on their own. Many of the so-called Rustler's at the time were really just former cowboys who wanted to continue an older practice called maverick swear where we get the word maverick and it meant simply claiming unbranded calves as your own. Again, though that's a question of history which is complicated and Worcester is dealing and myths which are in a lot of ways much simpler. Let's recap. We've dealt with two major parts of whispers mythical cowboy. The first part is his legendary Anglo Saxon lineage. The second part is his place in American history as a last bastion of race and values in a rapidly changing country. What I want to get into now is a third aspect of this figure it strongly related to the other two. It's the idea that the cowboy is a symbol of unity. According to wister, there's something about the experience of the West the experience of being a cowboy that gives Americans the basis for a new common identity. It breaks down the differences between the Anglo Saxons of America. It breaks down the differences of region of class profession education, even dialect, and it unifies them around the common bonds of race and the shared experience of working and fighting and killing together. It's like another version of classic American Metaphor that I'm sure you've heard before. It's the idea of the melting pot. You know the idea that in this country, all these different groups of people come together they come together from all over the world and they fuse into this new identity called American. It's not quite multi-culturalism. It's more about having one universal identity instead of having all these different cultures existing side by side. whiskers West. is kind of like a melting pot. But it's a melting pot for anglo-saxons only. Quote. The cow punchers playground in those first glorious days of his prosperity included battle and murder and sudden death as everyday matters. From eighteen, sixty, five to eighteen, seventy, eight in Texas. He fought his way with knife and gun and any hour of the twenty four might seem flattened behind the rocks amid the Whiz of bullets and the flight of Arrows were dragged bloody and folded together from some adobe hovel. Seventy five dollars a month and absolute health and strength were his wages and when the news of all this excellence drifted from Texas eastward they came in Scholes Saxon boys of picked courage none but the plucky ones could survive from south north from town and country. Every sort and degree of home tradition came with them from their far birthplaces. Some had known the evening him at one time others could remember no parent or teacher earlier than the street. Some spoke with the gentle accent of Virginia others in the dialect baked beans codfish here, and there was the baccalaureate already beginning to forget his Greek alphabet but still able to repeat the two notable words with which Santa? Fon. Always marches upon the next stage of his journey. Hitherto, the cattle country, they flocked from forty kinds of home each bringing a deadly weapon. and quote. In the West, the distinctions between these men breakdown. All that's left is what wister calls the bottom bond of race along with their shared experience. And that experience is not really about working for wages. It's not about making ends meet in the chaos and poverty of post civil? War. Texas. It's really just about being in this wild environment of reenacting ancient battles of rediscovering racial gifts. WISTER calls the result, a tribe, and it words that evoke wildness and isolation as well as military style discipline and cohesion, and this tribe slash unit is made up entirely of his ideal Americans quote. What Motley, your tribe, what heap of cards shuffled for more various unmatched packs could found. Yet this tribe did not remain motley, but soon grew into a unit to begin with the old spirit burned alike in all the unextinguished fire of adventure and independence, and then the same stress of shifting herself. The same vigorous and peculiar habits of life were forced upon each one watching for Indians guarding huge at night chasing cattle, wild deer over rocks and counties sleeping in the dust and waking in the snow cooking in the open swimming the swollen rivers. Such gymnasium for mind and body develops pattern in the unlike. Thus late in the nineteenth century was the race once again subjected to battles and darkness rain and shine to the fierceness generosity of the desert. Destiny tried her latest experiment upon the Saxon and plucking him from the library, the Haystack and the Gutter set him upon his horse. then. It was that face to face with the eternal simplicity of death. His modern guys fell away and showed once again, the medieval man. It was no new type, no product of the frontier but just the original kernel of the nut with the shell broken. and quote. Can the cowboy this ideal American? Can he be a good citizen? Can he be part of the whole? Whispers answer is emphatically no. He has never made a good citizen he says, but only a good soldier from his tournament days down. That Western experience, the one that lets these Americans rediscover their ancient racial traits and unites them around this new way of life. Gaining. This new identity makes it impossible for them to return to the fold. It alienates them from everyone outside of their tribe, their cowboy unit quote. Such existence. Soon makes a strange man of anyone and the early cow punchers rapidly grew unlike all people each other and the wild superstitious ancestors whose blood was in their veins their hair became long and they're glance rested with serene penetration upon the stranger they laughed seldom and their spirit was in the permanent attitude of war grim lean men a few topics and not many words concerning these comprehending no middle between the poles of brutality and tenderness indifferent to death. But disconcerted by a good woman some with violent. Testament religion some vowing none and all of them uneasy around corpses and the dark. These hermitage horsemen would dismount in camp at nightfall and lie looking at the stars or else squad about the fire conversing with crude. Of brands and horses and cows speaking of humans when they referred to men. and quote. It's an interesting paradox isn't it? This character that we usually think of as a national American type. has this aspect of isolation to him. The cowboy is an ideal American but he's also cut off from the rest of the country living in a tribe that's downright hostile everything else. But. It makes sense if the cowboy experience is about escape from about turning your back on a corrupted and dying nation in favor of the good clean cattle country isolationist require doesn't it? It's the only way to achieve that kind of purity that whistler is describing. And speaking of purity. Let's explore one important aspect of this that we haven't touched on yet. Part of this ideal pure state that whispers describing is sexual purity. Did you notice that line about how the cowboy is indifferent to death but disconcerted by a good woman? These anglo-saxon cowboys can never marry and settle down without losing their warrior outdoorsman kind of edge doing that would put them on the path to those other failed conqueror races. The Swedes who farm the French who just stay indoors instead of climbing mountains the Germans who wear slippers and dressing gowns. Remember. wister said that only the Anglo Saxon is still forever homesick for out of doors that means no marriage that also means that eventually the cowboys are GONNA die out they'll create no children to continue their way of life and beyond that remember the clock of civilization is taking the wild west will not last cities and farmers and stock market are all going to take over and in the meantime as wister writes, these wild men sprang from the loins of no similar father and Bhagat no sons to continue their hardy hood. War? They made in plenty. But not love for the woman they saw was not the woman a man can take into his heart. It's a sexless violent generation. The last generation he says that will know this experience this legendary purity. Already in eighteen ninety-five. He's talking about how the cowboys are dying out. They're limited only to New Mexico which wister calls their last domain. Beyond, that he says that most of these so-called cowboys in eighteen ninety five are already losing their etch. They're slowly becoming corrupted and soft and weak, and whose fault is this. No one's wister says. This is progress. This is what progress means. It means civilization it means comfort. It means everything that the country was becoming at that time urban industrial packed with all of these new Americans from new places. But that meant was the death of this briefly flourishing race of anglo-saxon cowboys quote. And what has become of them. Where is this last outcropping of the Saxon gone except where he lingers in the mountains of New Mexico, he has been dispersed as the elk as the buffalo as all wild animals must inevitably be dispersed. Three things swept him away the exhausting of virgin pastures, the coming of the wire fence and Mr Armour of Chicago who set the price of beef to suit himself. But all this may be summed up in the word progress. When the bankrupt cow puncher felt progress dispersing him he seized whatever plank floated nearest him and the wreck. He went to town for job. He got a position on the railroad he set up a saloon he married and fenced in a little farm and he turned rustler and stole the cattle from the men for whom he had once worked. In these capacities, will you find him today the X. Cowboy who set himself to some new way of wage earning is all over the west and his old courage and frankness still stick to him. But his peculiar independence is of necessity dimmed the only man who has retained that holy is the outlaw, the horse and cattle thief on whose grim face hostility to progress forever sits. and quote. Who is it that we worship in our past? Why do we choose these figures? What is it that we see in them does our image of these heroes have anything to do with reality. Reading. Owen wister forces us to think about these questions about how and why are national heroes are created. 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Why Men Need to Put Family First with Arron Chambers, Lead Minister Journey Christian Church

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Why Men Need to Put Family First with Arron Chambers, Lead Minister Journey Christian Church

"Episode Number One hundred nineteen head on over to dead hackers dot US slash one one nine to get the show, notes and resources. Are Gentlemen got another replay for you. This was originally episode five with Aaron Chambers From Journey Christian Church we get into a lot of why men need to put their family first and discipline with children in those kinds of things. This was an excellent excellent conversation Originally when it was released, it went to the number. One downloaded episode really quickly. And I know a lot of you have not heard it yet so over the summer I wanted to re release it. We also did another second podcast with Aaron. And we talked more about marriage in that one, another excellent, excellent excellent. Episode in, I suggest you go in check that out. Our guys enjoy. What's Up Dad, hackers my name is Patrick Antonucci I am the host and founder of this podcast and Community of Dad Akers with your new here or have been here for a long time I, WanNa personally welcome that hackers is a community of Christian fathers devoted to encouraging equipping and enabling one another to become the men that God has created designed us to be so that we can raise up the next generation fully devoted followers of Christ and leave a legacy of multi generational faithfulness on the show, we primarily interview Christian men to dive into their experiences and insights into what it means to be a Christian man, Christian husband Christian, father and a leader we ask. Ask questions that dig deep into the thinking in rationale of these men so that we can all learn and grow into the men that God is calling us to beat I'm grateful you join us today. Make sure you subscribe to the never miss any of our episodes also be sure to leave an honest review. Reviews helped boost the show's ratings, which means that or dads are going to come across our show and benefit from the content. We put out on the let you know that we also have free private facebook group. Just for Christian men head over to facebook dot com slash groups slash that hacker in apply to join by answering three questions win trump. That's facebook dot com slash groups slash that. Our guest today is Erin Chambers Erin is leave minister of Journey Christian Church in Greeley Colorado. He's an author. He's a husband of lovely wife. He says he's a father of four kids and a grandfather of one grandchild so far he's an evangelism champion, a leadership consultant, a marriage coach and a blogger. He's got a lot on his plate and he's here to share a lot of his wisdom. Here's our interview with Aaron Chambers. Alright Aaron. We're ready to go man. Thank you so much for coming on the show today I. Really appreciate it. Me Patrick. Good good, so why don't start out once? You tell us a little bit about yourself a little bit about your background, your family and what you currently have going on today. Sure yeah on a preacher Gujarat here in Greeley. Colorado not here for ten years as this week. And we've had a great experience so far. God is really moved an incredible way we've grown by. Over eight hundred people in the past run about a thousand people. Now we started about two hundred fifty, and we've seen you know hundreds of baptisms every year, awesome, just six hundred dozens in the past four and a half years and so it's cool ministry having fun it's. Out, here a lot of a Lot of opportunities to impact lives, and so I'm a preacher's kid. My Dad was a preacher and. he passed away nineteen eighty eight, that he really instilled me a strong sense of family and the importance of being a good father and my grandfather, he actually. Did seminars on family life and pick up a lot of stuff for my dad My wife and I met in college down in Florida. She's a preacher's kid as well and Rhonda. I have four kids my oldest daughter. Ashton is married to a young man him. CJ, and they have our first grandchild Nevada. They live on a big ranch down in southern Colorado leave is eighteen. He'll be starting as a freshman at Abilene Christian University in Abilene Texas and I have two more kids at home. Son Silence, who's fifteen and a daughter hate? WHO's fourteen? yeah, so we Yeah. I did a lot of things. I wrote a book collegial centers, and it's a book that. Really reflects I live my life. I am heavily involved in the community I coach around at the local high school. Local public high school. Like this morning I. I'm Kinda kind of Riley like a mess because I was at a cross country practice this morning and haven't been home so but I coach year round cross country in the fall and. Winter and then we do track head track coach been five years, and and so Kuzma kids, other people's kids, and this really enjoy that none of Baltin similar things to your marriage coaching and I do I work. A lot of writing in economic so. A little bit of what's going on my life right now. Good stuff man sounds like you got a ton of stuff going on which kind of leads me to one of the things I wanted to ask you about. Just that whole laundry list of activities and things that you have going on. I know a lot of guys. have a lot of ambition dreams. Let goals. They don't know where to start. They Start and stop a bunch of different things. Never actually you know. Follow things through to completion. Or they have a bunch of stuff going on, and it feels like they're spinning a whole bunch of plates and the plates are constantly falling. Sounds like you maybe have some some methods or some some strategies to manage all this stuff to be so productive. You share some of that. He I do I i. I live good marriage. Wife and I've been married for twenty seven years ago on twenty years, and wife's amazing and she supports. What I do. I support what she does and we. We plan heavily the I'm not a very organized person by nature, but after we organized and so I, I have a lot help stay organized, but constantly living my life calendar, sanding events and say a lot of things. I think the question. How do I balance? All this stuff is first of I really good life and I'm focused on my primary relationship outside of my relationship with God is with my wife and my kids in so i. will not accept new things without talking to my wife and We just yet, but we. We just Are Very focused on her family, and these other things fit around that and my ministries is my main job and I wanNA. Make sure that's my priority I. Don't let any balls drop church so i. Yeah, I plan well and homeless accountable to my team here at Church and I have mentors to whom accountable Kevin a group with ministers of the country we meet. We met last week. We meet twice a year five of us and then every month conference call so those guys help me to make wise decisions, and yet is my counter, I. I try to just Lily make sure that I. I have done is created slots on my calendar for meetings in for counseling, and for Writing Sermons, and when the slots filled I say no, and so somebody wants to directly It may take a couple of weeks to get to me, but you have a large staff who can help in that kind of thing, but I just I'm driven and so I'm going to do a lot of things, no matter what. And I am very creative, and I'm always come up with ideas. I didn't tell you. We're actually also leading network. started kind of spontaneously. Every Wednesday morning we do. We meet without through zoom we meet with. About forty churches all over north. America and we haven't advertised it yet. And it's a network week. Collaborate on servants. We do coaching. We do encouragement. It's just pretty awesome, experience and so. We I started at a couple months ago, actually six months ago in so that's another thing we're doing right now. To creating a network called connect leadership network, so yeah, but my wife's a key dude. It's like I i. it God has blessed with incredible life and shields accountable, because that's my perm relationship that if I jack that up, everything else jacked up so I don't say yesterday anything without her permission and you know now. Be honest some of the things I do outside of my church time bringing extra income in my wife appreciates that She's a stay home, mom, it has been for twenty seven years, and some of these extra things I do allow her to stay at home, but you know it's not a permanent thing. You know driven by money, but social support some things she's like. Like Hey, she calls hunting and gathering like hey, you're hunting and gathering and a speaking event or something it's it's a chance, the black people and use my gifts, but it's also stewardship of our resources, so some of that is all part of the equation, but Patrick, it just comes down to you, my wife. My wife did not support my Ministry of the joke. And A. We have a great relationship. and. We're a great team in. We communicate really well, and we played really well, and I have learned the hard way to say no, so I've seen a lot of. The things that are important to me because for example coaching on coaching, my own kids so I've been coach my own kids every five years, so with cross country and track. My Boys Ran Cross country and track my daughter starting cross country right now. Every day with my kids year round in their friends, and it's a pretty. It's pretty special time for me and wife is. My wife has no problem with that, because I'd be into the meats anyway, and so might as well you know, be in a position to have some influence so I'm rambling a little bit, but that's kind of the long answer to your short question. Now, that's good I've probably have thirty two. Follow up questions just to that. So. I have to say no to some questions. Because there's a Lotta other things I'd like to get into, but two things if you could just touch on real quickly is when you say you do a lot of planning. Like what does that look like and. Talk a little bit about how the the group that you're part of that. Hold you accountable. That accountability has impacted. View Yep Kissel. The first question is planning, so there's a tool that I use when I do marriage coaching. My wife and I use it all the time. We don't necessarily use it the exact way. I teach it because we've adapted it for our purposes, but I call whiteboard in your life where you get a whiteboard and you list what you're doing, you detail what you're doing on the board. All the things you're doing you pray about it. Think about talk about it. I'm talking just like a two or three hour process, and then you erase it and you walk away from it, and then you come back to it after praying after going out to dinner, go to movie after sleeping on it, and then you, you start putting things back on the board and the Board represents what you want your life to look like in nothing goes back on the board unless you have mutual agreement. And what it is, it's just a prioritizing prioritizing your like so we've done that several times where we just said. This is what we're going. Do with our life or Ministry and personalized, so we want to take a trip. We WanNa do this this this you know and it just at the end of the experience. We have a clear vision for our life at least for the next six months now you got to do it on time. Kelsey adjusted, but we plan, so we plan on my wife, and I will sit down, we. Were planning. We sit down early in the week and for us. It's typically Patrick after church. On Sunday, nights will sit down and before watch. A movie will say okay. What should we click like and as a spiritual leader? Start with Rhonda and say Okay What Does your week look like? She'll say okay I need you take the kids school this day I need. I have a appointment this day dedicated us, and and we look. We put on their Hayes and time together like. We need a date night or We make time for each other, and that can be throughout the week. It's always throughout the week and then usually you know large segments of time. Thursday nights great night for us. On Saturday nights a great night, 'cause. Much going on church next day. is we plan our time. All the big rocks going first Tuesday `lustration, and then then she asked me what's my week? Look like okay. I'm going to elders meeting Monday night. I've got We have Meet on Friday noon on Saturday. She knows about that because she's a parent but We put all that stuff mixture. We're working together and then throughout the week we adjusted, and then we do nightly times. where typically before we go to bed, my wife will say okay. What Your Day look like tomorrow and we'll say okay this on this going on this going. We really really communicate I. Rarely surprised by something I'm doing. Because like I, said I'm very busy. She's she's also busy, too. And but we are. She's really surprised because we communicate constantly. What's going on like I can tell you exactly? It's going to few weeks in our life. And then they'll be things that happened our land, but what I'm talking about communication, we communicate. We have a plan that works for us. We worked. The plan doesn't work us. Make adjustments as needed in. We could the big rocks in verse, which is God, our family time for intimacy. Time dates in all stuff is crucially important, so and then I was group that I've been working with for Go, starting my fourth year and it's A. It's three years with five different ministers. Then it's starting again last week with four different ministers and what we do, we were. We were put together by A group connected with Cincinnati Bible Seminary. And it's a leadership group and facilitate. These counseling sessions recalled covenant groups. And we spent a week together in. It's almost like Camphor Preachers Anabela facilitator, who is a counselor who's a former minister who guides us through all kinds of experiences conversations? Counseling team building sat is it's awesome? Awesome, awesome! Awesome! All these guys we develop these relationships that are deeper than just. Acquaintances and we're in a covered it with each other. We actually literally shake hands, and say I'm in I'm with you I. Have Your back for you know Barbara in this group and beyond, but what happens is becomes a safe place where we talk about our problems like we've talked about last week we talked about our families and our histories, and some of the challenges, so these guys once a month will will have a conversation that begins with what's a delight. WHAT'S TRAIN? Was the discovery was? Was a determination end that outline will guide us through a conversation where August. Saying you know hey, man. This is a drain in my life right now. The and these guys we have the relationship. These ministers will say okay. Aaron Dude. You're you're not seeing this properly. Man, your wife is right. You GotTa do this. Whatever because I used to coach basketball to the past three years of coached basketball and they asked me they are me another job coach basketball high school and my life is like. You need to say no to something like all right and I've written a book in. About two years because the life I, need her permission to write a book because it takes a big job and You know so when I want to write a book I'll go to her. I feel like there's a book Anita Right. Is that cool with you because she under. She understands how much extra she's. GonNa have to do to make sure I have time to write and she'll say hey, can we? On this I? Had Patrick I had this awesome opportunity? Read this book and it was tons of money. It would have sold a bunch and it's ironic. Is I left for this trip in? The way to the airport. We're talking you know. Hey, let's take a six time all the time off writing a book. And at this trip some this opportunity comes up. It's incredible life changing opportunity I'm not joking so I call her on the way back from their own way back to the airport. Like David, Huckabee, which just happened. He's gotten his opportunity right. This book ended a like we had this conversation. We already agreed. You're not gonNA write a book and I was like. I. Said I said you're exactly you're. You're exactly right. It was no bitterness on my part. It was cool. Is it was it was I laughed about it? I was like. was. I think I'd like. We already had this conversation in so since we respect each other's boundaries. and. Expectations than something like that is not a huge huge deal. It's just a matter of we communicate. We have a plan. Work the plan and my wife knows it better. Anyone else has the ability to say no and saving with these guys I was talking about these guys in this coming group. Same thing, go say hey, you're. that's hey. We know you and that's not really whatever. So there's a hell of accountability which is really important for me. Making you know maintaining, it's not about. I have people my life. Who are not. People who are really good at being guardrails and not to be bumps. In and saying hey, here's some guardrails to help you go. You need to go because I'm very all over the place and I need that so long once again. To your question, Patrick's are you. Know it's all excellent stuff. One one of the things I know that. Maybe, you could speak to this a little bit that a lot of guys need or desire is that kind of band of brothers, fellowship of other men and kind of like you? Have you have a tight knit group of men that help hold you accountable? Can you talk about the the importance of that? He I mean as iron sharpens iron, so woman Chevron's and other and I think Hatrick I think leaders get into can get into really bad situations when they are not When they don't have a lot of accountability and. I just like last week. Our Mentor in our group said this. He said Damore well-known. You are the more important it is for you to be well known. And I think about leaders like bill hobbles. Who you know all the details of his story? But it sounds like he didn't have enough people in his life, saying. Hey, dude, not good decision that don't go there. What do you think? Like what you talked to. That lady was really your Needham saying. We need people like so. I have intentionally surrounded myself on my staff in a more personalized. Patrick intensely surround myself with men. Who will say not me? Who who don't care how many books have written or whatever necessarily matters anyway? But I myself with people who will say no to me and I think leaders get into problems. Get into can get the problem there when they have no one in their life, who has the courage to stand up to him because of whether there are star whatever? I think about famous authors who have fallen and think man if they just had one of their life, who said that's not good like what are you? Why are you doing? You should not be going there. Not that's you're you're playing with fire? You know and I have in my life. Who will call me? And say like this morning I had a meeting with one of the guys on my staff, and he said he citizen. Your sermon and I'm not really sure like that's historically accurate, and I looked at him like dude. It's not Oh, my goodness. How do I have a job at his crazy like that and so I my life on my team. I've Patrick. I've gone out of my way with my team to hire men who will Who Will. Say No to me. Who will hold me accountable? And I think it's very easy likes to surround yourself with people who just tell you that your perfect, awesome and wonderful, but that's not a helpful when iron sharpens iron for their for their to be sharpening, there has to be that impact has to be the friction as contacted. Has that flame that spark? And That's how that's how you really make changes that matter. So, let's kind of switch gears and. Talk more more specifically about family life. Maybe you could tell us a little bit about just a little bit about your dad and the impact. He's had on your life and. How, he kind of was able to begin a legacy of of faithfulness with his family, and how you're carrying not on. That was a good man. had a good family and But learned a lot about what it means to be a father from my mom, and what it means to be a husband from my mom, my mom had fantastic family. My grandparents on her her side were. Just amazing parents had amazing marriage, and so my mom, just tons and tons of wisdom. She handed off to my Dad, and my dad just ran with an embraced it in dad was a loving was a godly, was just very affectionate. just involved in our lives. He died when I was a nineteen, and so I haven't had in my life since nineteen hundred and we thirty years this August he's been gone by. That was real. Good man who was he was consistent. he was what you saw he was. He was well known in some circles for Preaching and writing, and but here's the thing what you saw in public is what I saw in private. Just a really good man love the Lord and was really big on expressing love and approval soil knew my dad loved me always knew my that was proud of me. And all those things are so crucial because it can leave a wound when you don't get that blessing by definitely got that blessing for my dad, and he just gave me tons of wisdom, and he was think biggest thing is that. His public likeness his. There were no incongruities between his public life in his personal life into that. I respect him more than I. Respect the other man in might never met my life. So we were talking a couple of minutes before we started the show before we started recording and You were telling me about the importance of discipline in prophetic grace with no children, can you? Elaborate on those topics e absolutely let me. Begin a dad and you know what's interesting about this Patrick. Reason I wanted to share about. It is because it also has A. Really important locations for marriage, but as fathers, one of our key roles whether we single dads or a in a traditional marriage is that we are Would we oversee discipline? No, we aren't the only ones who disciplined. Obviously. It's a team effort, but we are the way understand is a spiritual leader is my responsibility to oversee the discipline in my home and. Be, a, team player, and make sure my wife and I are in the same team, so but one of the illustrations that I give my dad when it comes to what that might look like is, I'll make it quick. It's it's this illustration. Imagine being dropped on planet where you're dropping to this meadow. On a foreign planet. And within in his meadow, there's housing and clothing and food everything you need to survive. Answer I'm in the medals. Offense this big fence surrounding the metro. Now beyond the fence. Everything the on the fence scares you. There are shadows. You don't recognize her noises that terrify you everything beyond the fence. You're pretty sure wants to kill you. Okay, but there's a fence between you and the forest. We'll based on your temperament. You're going to shake that fence. They're going to test that offense. Now. One of my kids Levi, who's going off to college very passive, very submissive, so he would brush up against the fence once every three months with his shoulder. Just barely touch. He's got. It's good. It's good. My daughter Peyton my youngest one. This is no exaggeration. She goes to the fence about once. A day shakes fifty five times like she's like. And so, why? Why? WHA- test defense? You test the beds because the fence is the only thing standing between you endanger. What does that look like an family? That's when a kid pushes the adult. The adult says no not literally pushes the adult. No in the kid test defense. The kid you know, you say, don't touch. that. That outlet in the kid reaches over and looks at you in touches it. What's it doing, testing offense. Now in the yourself in that scenario where you're on a foreign planet in that fence, the only thing protecting you from the bad stuff. What are you going to feel when the fence collapses? You're gonNA feel terror frustration panic, okay? Now when you're at the food court at the mall and you see a kid who is on the ground throwing a fit what has happened. Is this that kid pushed on offense and it collapsed? It terrifies the kid. The kids do not want to be in charge. They want to know that we are big enough and strong enough to protect them, so they will push on the fence. They will test the tents, and so our job is father's in parents is to not fall down. Whatever that looks like, however you apply that in your life I'm not talking about how you discipline your kids I'm just talking about when your kid tests events you regardless of how tired you are. Frustrated Hell your spouse. We must stand strong. We must not fall down. It's very. That that that the that the husband and wife. The father if he's by himself for the mother, she's by herself that they stand strong. Because what it does is it gives security, and once you tested defense, you know it's GonNa. Stand strong. You can play. You can live your life. You can have peace because you have security. That's the thing we give kids security, and when we as parents do not provide proper boundaries that we protect and defend then we create insecurity in our kids that manifest in a lot of different things. Okay, and then the other thing I was talking to you about was the principal prophetic grace. I got us, my dad. As well. And he pumped gun from my mom but We'll we'll could before. Von Is is good men. Your audience, who are their wife was abused in some way shape or form growing up. She'll test the fence to right. She will push and push push push and see. She wants to know how much you love me. She wants to know. Be Enough to protect me. Because have been other men in my life you. You, said they love me in. They only hurt me. So if you in so what I've seen in again and again it's with women who've been abused. They will push push on defense. Pushing the S in the husband's like what am I, I'm not the enemy. Why are you always testing me why you always pushing me why? You always like lashing out at me? And, she can't express it, maybe Muslims. They can't express it it, but what she's doing and she's like she wants to know. Will you stay up for me? Will you protect me because you're the only thing between me and the bad stuff? So prophetic grace's another thing that I want to share with you. in it's it's a life changing of I. Use it as a coach. I use it as a father I. Use it as a minister is prophetic. Grace's this. It's giving somebody credit for WHO's going to be even though it may not be a present reality. It's giving credit for WHO's going to be even though it may not be a present reality, Lucia who plays out in different situations so as a coach I this morning we had athletes meeting. We're starting at training for the summer, and there's a kid in that group who has had some emotional issues, a great kid, but has depression anxiety will in the last tracks in this month ago, he showed a lot of potential and showed me some really potential speed so this morning in for the whole group I, I called his name on. You know what I see you vying for a spot on our four by fourteen next year. I don't know if he's GonNa. Make it or not, he you know, but if I believe in him. And he knows I believe he knows I believe in him. It's called Prophetic grace giving him any credit for are going to be even though it may not be a present reality. As a minister I'll say to the church May I. Love You guys I love how you love. The community I love how you show up for I love how you do this. He may not show up all the time line. They may not want to be whatever but I'm giving them credit for going to be a father. You would use this with our kids where we say hey i. love the manner becoming. I went to God does your life. You're going to grow up to be a great mom. Now the reality May de that. My daughter's not made her bed in five weeks and I'd had to get under every day to make the bed you know, but I'm giving her credit for who's she's going to be even though it may not be completely a present reality because I I know it's true and it is Yeah. They can become. Our guys wanted to take a quick second to tell you about the iron man mastermind. If you're looking for a band of brothers that you can lock shields with that can go to battle with you in the day to day life who are also in the trenches going through the same struggles in the same challenges that you are going through I, suggest you check out the ironman mastermind. 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One thing they came to mind is a lot of guys have kind of dropped the ball with their discipline, and maybe their kids are getting a little bit older. Maybe there ten twelve thirteen years old and They want to become that strong fence. They've come to the realization that that they've had a like a reality check. How, how do you start to become the fence? Or is it too late when your kids are are a little bit older and not just two or three or four. Years old yeah, it's okay you are. Let me say this I'll say this and then I'll clarify it. Most of the discipline that's crucially important to the foundation of your family happens before your kids are five years old. So anytime after that you're playing, catch a ball that you can do it. You can absolutely do it I'm working with with several men right now. Who this is their second marriage, and they are in a family where they've inherited kids that are not their biological kids, but previous father was not in the picture, and so they're having to try to discipline. So, yes, it can be done. It absolutely can be done here. The keys Patrick Okay first of all you. If you're married, you and your spouse needs to be on the same page. Okay, that's that's crucial that the primary relationship in the universe beside your relationship with God, so whatever that is if you're GONNA if Swing your audience is like okay. I may be a little late to the game, but I'm going to get this thing going the first conversation. Should your spouse you like okay? Let's get on the same page. Let's identify. The rules we want to enforce now. I would start with a list as opposed to long lists. Okay, for example, say hey, we need these better boundaries for example. We're going to have no electronics at the dinner table. Okay. And that for that to work, the parents have to be on the same page because kids exploit any weakness. Okay, so wants. The parents were on the same page than the so they established the rules as to say okay. We're GONNA, have A. Bedtime during the school years be ten o'clock. No electronics at the table and no. Tablets or electronic devices in your bedroom in this situation, whatever okay so three roles get! Smoke in what you do, is you clearly communicate those rules to the family? Okay, so you sit down, you hopefully Finley dinner, you know. Hey, you're talks and we have come up with three new family rules. Oh, now the kids are going to complain like Ono's worse, you know they will rebel. Okay, and they're not going to be cool with it, but who cares, it's not their job to be parents as your job is probably get paid the big money. Okay any. Games like we're doing it. We're this. Is this the? They'RE GONNA hate? Kid's GonNa, hate it. But eventually love it. Okay, so so what you did you salvage the rules you get, Mom and dad together or the father, whoever if it's a single parent? You establish the rules, so everybody's on the same page. Then you present them. And then there's the key you enforce them. Because that's the hard part. It's easy to come up with a bunch of rules, and it's a little more difficult to communicate them, but the hardest part is enforcing them, and they need to be enforced consistently. Do not kill will weakness in Mom and dad aren't on the same page, but here's the thing I will promise you. I will tell you as a coach who's been coaching for many years as a parent as someone who's done marriage counseling family counseling for almost twenty years. When kids are thirty years old. They don't Brag on the fact that their parents let them have complete anarchy, no rules at all the when I hear again and again, and again is kids who've grown up twenty thirty saying. I'm so grateful. My Mom and Dad Dad rules I'm so grateful. They love me enough to say no, and that's a pair. Sometimes. Don't understand because it. No teenager, no ten year old eleven year old twelve old. GonNa want a bunch of rules that they want to do whatever they want to do. But, that's not that's not what they really want. Down deep in the places God created. That are sacred. They want someone to stand up to them and say no pretend like you make people I work with who say I wish my parents would have said no to me I. Wish they would have put boundaries in like I was exposed to so much since then which crazy stuff and I wish, my parents would have love me enough to say no. You cannot go out Friday night after midnight. No, you cannot go to that party. No, you're not gonNA. Go see that movie. In parents think Mama Bad guy, not the bad guy. Just your parents will get paid. The big money is make this hard decisions in. We need to keep the big picture in mind and understand that that. Boundaries provide room for love. And boundaries also communicate that You belong to me in your mind and I love you, so they don't just create room for love. They also boundaries communicate love. Okay. That's good down I've never said that before. tweet. That, right. On a tweet. Later on you. Call All the keys you had. Cut You short game. Yeah, yeah, that that's awesome. That's really really good. One thing that comes to mind as kind of A. I guess a corollary to that is. Suppose you're you're? Isse you agree on your on the same page with your spouse? Clearly communicate the rules to your family. You're you're consistent in in striving to enforce them, but your kid thinks your role. Or your boundary is irrational or they think it's ridiculous, so they keep like. Pushing against it again and again and again. What give any advice for that type of situation as a great question Patrick. Yes, here's the advice. Sometimes sometimes you just enforce the rule with outing without any explanation like you know the typical because I said so. But it is also appropriate depending on the situation. It's also appropriate to explain why you're doing it. And so like, for example, maybe it's simply something as simple as this I remember one time telling my mom to shut up. I only did that once. My Dad I got punished pretty severely by deserved it, but before I got punished. My Dad explained it in the two things I remember from that explanation I is this. He said no one's GONNA. Talk to my wife that. I wouldn't let the guy down. The street talked. My wife like that and I'm certainly not gonNA. Let my twelve year old son talks like that. You understand that sets me was like. Yeah, that's yeah. Made Sense I didn't do what the consequences, but he was right, and then he said this, he said. He said you belong to me. He said I'm punishing you. You belong to me. The kid down the street could do whatever he wants to do, but I'm responsible for you and so. Junior stanwyck, punishing you, said Yep 'cause I I was disrespectful to your wife, and that Your Dad and your job to punish me. In. It's so he would get punished. And I understood. Why like I said sometimes it was just because I said so, but I remember a lot of times. Especially, the older older I was, my dad explained to me why was getting punished? So it was clear understanding of what violation had occurred, and then, and then then I, my dad would let me sit my lawlessness for you know twenty minutes half an hour, and then he would redeem me. That's the really crucial part. Some parents forget. They I think it's important. You know appropriately to explain why you're punishing them. especially the over they are, and then to let them sit in their sorrow to feel what it's like to be lost. To feel that separation. which brings repentance, and then to redeem them, that redemption is so crucial. Some parents some dads. Will Not talk to the kids for a week and I. think that's abuse to to to to communicate your kid that he's lost your love for a week. Is that's that's mean. And so I'm saying like it felt like ours, but it was like a half an hour. My Dad would would bring said Hey, why did that? You don't love you arguably. I did the same thing with my kids, and it worked perfectly like great like my kids will tell you. That's how that's the pattern I'd say hey, punished. I hit my brother. Yeah, we'll hit each other. It's like that's not how it works. Okay so. You'RE NOT GONNA. Have your phone for week and I'm doing that because I love you up. You know talking to older older and in. Whatever redeem. Love, you and prevented grace. You know I love you and I know you're gonNA. Be a great mom under that you're GonNa do great things for God. And so YOU'RE GONNA. Be Fine. We're good, and then they and then that's the thing is when you do that. Kid goes back to being a kid. It's they don't have to carry around because it's over. It's a different. It's a definitive moment. That occurred had a purpose and makes sense only be one. Do WanNa talk about. The man's role as spiritual leader, but just one more follow up question it work with. Talking about consequences or punishments, what what do you think are some appropriate? Consequences or punishments for children in I'd say the eight to fourteen year range. First of all I. Think the there's a couple of principles should guide hunch my opinion, okay? I is a biblical. The punishment should fit the crime. Okay, it should be. You don't use A. A. Bomb when a federal do you know? It's it's some some dances. Blow things up. You know for example. I you know I would come home and my wife was working on. Something very important with the kids long-term. Thinks she was teaching the kids and I could come home and blow it in five seconds by just being. But using a bomb when I could use a feather so I think the first all the punishment should fit the crime. Okay, and then the second one is. It whatever you do, It's the punishment should be for rebellion, and for not being a kid a second principle. It's so. Is so eight year old. You say Hey. Don't be spill your milk. In they look you right in the eye, and they push the top of the little the cup the cup over in spill it. That's one thing that's rebellion, but you're telling jokes. You're laughing. Your Kids Tell Funny Story and they're waving their arms in October. Accent. A Kid. Don't don't discipline for that kid like like I've done I've done a gazillion times. You know what I'm saying. Sometimes fathers and mothers will discipline kids, just being kids, not rebellion, which you just went for rebellion cakes Your question is this. Whatever form of discipline you choose. Just make sure it's clearly communicated. In that, it's consistent in that it's confined to a short period of time. Okay. It's clearly communicated. It's consistent. In its confined. To a small period time. because. Here's the thing so clearly communicated is hey, if you do this, what's going to happen? Right. If this happens again. I'm going to punish you whatever that looks like and then then when they do it. The consistency is okay. It's GonNa ruin. Here's the punishment and then. He confined to clear clerk clearly a device moment of time for the reason I said earlier so that it's over. It's done with in so as far as like. The motive disciplined. I'm I'm more comfortable saying you know what? Whatever works within those boundaries within reason like the side of abuse. You know you don't abuse your kids, but. I was spanked as a kid and We spend our kids, and when it's done right, you have to very often in the the thing about making it works really well is when they're younger. Is that it's? It's a moment in it's. It's over. It's a sort of time and what I experienced Throughout my kids childhood was. After, they were redeemed after they get spanked sent to the room, whatever going going to redeem every time the same pattern. Hey, why did that? do you know I? Love you Yup. And you know that's why I'm not making his the road. You're my kid and I love you so much in. You're going to grow to be a great whatever. Hug Him and then Patrick their plan, so from the point of the conflict, or whatever within thirty five minutes. They're playing again and they're fine because it's over, we're not trouble anymore. They got punished. It's over von. If you do it right you to do very often. Young My boys were pretty compliant inside. Say maybe each time. Maybe six times I got spanked grownup. And they're great young. You love aboard. But my daughter Peyton. She's got spanked six hundred times like it's tight. She's she's. She's always taken at Bents, but hey, it's why I get paid the big money to be the data gotTA. Be Consistent in. Doing, job. Okay, so again, we were talking a little bit before we hit record here in and we were talking about. The need for the man to be the spiritual leader in the home and I know that scenario that a lot of men struggle with in general, just stepping up and doing it but specifically within the church within the context of a Christian home. Oh, can you speak to that Patrick? I'm so glad I'm so glad you time. He asked him this question because in my work as a marriage coach in a family counselor. This comes up so much, so many guys do have no idea. There told me spiritual ears. They have no idea what that looks like and so I like to give men to really practical biblical examples of what it looks like to be a spiritual leader in the first. Is this it's it's a philosophy based on what I understand from. Fiji six. Okay, we're talks about you know husbands love your wives as Christ church and gave himself up for her. And if you read the rest of that, there's a there's a principle that we are going to give an account to God men for our families Okay and Don't time to go into every single aspect to that teaching, but the general principle. Is that Two parts of it I. We're going to present. We're going to present our wives and kids because he says. Jesus when he talked to win Paul Talks about. Husbands Love Your Wife's as Christ loved the church he talks about. The fact that he's going to present the church to himself. Okay that Jesus is going to present the church. Trump so so the principal. Principal is when it comes to marriage that we need to love our wives and kids as once. We're going to have to account for them. It doesn't say the wise. You'RE GONNA have counting for us, so that's mindset. Okay, so that being said if you take everything else into consideration of features, chapter six, a guiding principle is this. A spiritual leader is a man who creates an environment in the home. We're facing. God can be expressed naturally. Spiritual leaders a man who creates an environment in the home. Faith in God can be expressed naturally in what that looks like is we pray we pray, and we pray for meals we pray for. We go to bed. We pray when somebody's sick. We pray when somebody hurts themselves. Scared me door. We pray the Bible. Yeah, we read the Bible it's it's not just something. Take to the car on Sunday like it's will use all the week. In God's part of life like in Ukraine environment where faith in God can express naturally, so my kids know there's a certain road we turn on I. Take in school that we right. I don't care what's going on. You're texting here. What's going on I'm like I'm taking my hat off and we're praying like. Hey, you know, so we do. It's like in. We talk about God him. We we believe in God and we go to church. We do like my kids. Don't have a choice of going to use group or not. Like, yeah, we're Christian church. What we do, so if you WANNA NOT GONNA youth. You got the wrong family so like you alluded. Look at my house. We go to church, but we do and said this round reason so is creating environment where phasing dockery expressed. Naturally and the second thing I wanted to share example. And it's based on Timothy. Paul is talking about the requirements. The call qualifications for Elmer and one of the things he says is, he says an elder is a man who manages his family will okay now Paul Specific Passage Patrick is talking about qualifications of elders, but the image I think is a powerful image that any man would be wise to walk into his home. Okay, so that word there says an elder should be a man who manages his family well. That word has two parts okay. The first part is pro. The second part is to mind. Probe My K. I would pro your word. It means before in the word `stem. I means to stand. What Paul us there with Timothy was a military word military term. It means to stand before. And so one of the beautiful images I think for spiritual leader is a father. A husband, who stands before his family, 'cause the images. This is not you're standing. You're not, it's not. You're not facing them with your weapon in hand. It's like you're on guard in. You're standing with your back to your family, and you're watching the horizon. You're protecting them. You've got your family's back all right? It's like a guard on post, so you can sleep. Eating a mess tent because there's a guy watching your back. He's on the wall. Okay, that's that word means to stand before his family in so the images this images that. In a very real way I'm standing before Rhonda and the kids and I'm saying to any enemy. If you want to get to my family, you gotTa go through me. It's going to be a fight. See Moslems move on. K. Because only men have just walked away from protecting their families in in left. The guard left the guard guardpost. And left their families exposed. The wife is trying to do it. She's trying to do the job. She's trying to stand before her family, but a spiritual leaders. Who created environment in his home or facing alchemist express naturally. is a man who leaves his family when he's going to give an account, and then is actually three four. Sorry in the end is a man who will stay before his family in that sense where If you're if you WANNA mess with my family, enemy or anybody You'RE GONNA have to go through and it's going to be a fight. You're going to lose. So bring it if you WANNA. Bring it, but you're going to lose. That's that love that network that's. That's what that's what that word means. Somebody who manages your family well stands before the family so. Good stuff so when when a man standing before his family. A lot of a lot of men aren't necessarily needing to fend off would be attackers physically. What are what are some ways? What are some attacks that families and men are are facing that they need to defend against absolutely. Yeah, because you can. That's exactly that's the one that's point. It's not about. Physical protection that rarely happens when it does you know obviously, we want to protect their families, but. What the enemies I would be talking about would be. pornography's. The enemies attack of with a woman. it would be getting a massive crazy debt. It would be protecting your family against anything that might hurt it. Scarcely anything that might bring a insecurity whether be infidelity or sinful choices anything the enemy might use to try to rip. The family apart is what you're standing before and you're saying you know you know. Hey, like you as a father. You're making sure your kids are making wise decisions making sure that they think for example. EP Your right now. One of my athletes are vaping. It's crazy. Will a guy standing for his family's like? Hey, kids, we, don't they? This is not a nation. If you're GONNA vape, WE'RE GONNA. Have a conversation because it's wrong you're going to be. Be In big trouble. Here's what's GonNa Happen We don't do drugs. You know we don't do this. Don't do that. We don't watch those kind of movies. It's like you stand is stable for your family's being you. You create an environment where basing your home can be expressed naturally and like you. Are you know movies? Your kids are watching downstairs. You know like you can't take the day off like like like I. Know what movies my kids a seen in and even Ichi. No, that's my permission to see movies because I'm sitting before my family so I. if they're watching news or looking stuff on the Internet, they should be looking at then I'd left my post. Saw got it. Stemming from our families might protect my family in every way, shape or form and in onnaing as you pointed out, most of the attacks aren't physical tax, it's spiritual tax inside need to be on guard and have my wits about me, and if is by me, my oldest daughter making decisions out, but you know I still have two more home. And I'm on duty, like. You know hey you making wise choices, and I'm not gonNA introduce anything to the family home through my bad choices or whatever that's going to hurt my family. That's that's the goal. Of Aaron we're we're bumping up against time here we're to wrap it up. I could talk to you for hours, man. You have so much wisdom to share in so many experiences in a lot of good stuff you, if if if people WANNA learn more about your book or or connect with you some way on social media. What what's the best way to do that? Will come website. What couple of websites? My website, my personal website is Erin. Chambers Dot Com. It's one eight to ours. Are Lynn. Or at Erin Chambers on twitter or at Erin, chambers on instagram once again. That's A. R. O. N. and I I wrote A. Lot of books, but Centers, IN EAST WITH CENTERS DOT COM and check out that book, but No it'd be reaches out to me. I love to have conversations. Talk to you anytime. You want to talk Patrick I really. Do you ask really good questions and I'm I'm just so I? Was You have? Always glad to work with fathers and DADS and It's an honor to be part of this. The thank you. Awesome, yeah, we'll definitely link everything up in the show notes and Yeah, I'd love to have you back on in the future sometime. One more question before you go. I didn't ask you this in advance. But in your opinion, what makes a great dad? A great dad is a man. Of whom. His his kids could say at his funeral. What you saw in public always on him. So! Good stuff, man, good stuff all. Thank you so much for coming on today or not every city. Right Gentlemen. That's all we have for today. Thank you so much for tuning in I. Hope our conversation was a blessing to you and that you leave this episode. Better equipped to be the man and the Father God has called in created you to be if so then I ask that you please leave us a five star rating and a quick written review in items and make sure you head on over to the show notes to get all of the resources for this episode. While you're there, you can take part in our five days to be a better dad. Challenge as well as get involved with our free facebook community. Are Gentlemen until next week. Remember proverbs, twenty, seven, seventeen, as iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens. Stay shop. took. AM.

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Cults Daily: House of Yahweh Yisrayl Hawkins

Cults

07:16 min | 6 months ago

Cults Daily: House of Yahweh Yisrayl Hawkins

"Hi listeners this is called Staley. Throughout the month of April were addressing the manifestoes and ideologies of some of history's most infamous cult leaders Israel Hawkins and his brother Yakub founded the House of. Ya In one thousand nine hundred eighty. They produce their own version of the Bible and made numerous predictions. That did not come true. Be Short come back tomorrow for a brand new episode of Cults Daily. Listen free on spotify. Or every you get your podcasts. On September twelfth of two thousand six men and women and Young Baruah County in central Kenya strapped on their gas masks then they crammed into the underground bunkers. They had painstakingly built over the previous weeks. They prayed their preparations would be enough to save them from the nuclear fallout. That was coming. The men and women were followers of a religious group known as the House of Y'all way their prophet Israel. Hawkins had predicted that today would see the start of nuclear war that would decimate eighty percent of the world's population as the seconds tick by the faithful waited for the MOMS to go off. No doubt they wished that they'd have the opportunity to leave Africa to travel more than eight thousand miles to the home of their profit. The one place got it shows into spare from the apocalypse the holy city of Abilene Texas. Hi I'm Vanessa. Richardson and this is called a podcast. Original this is the twenty fourth episode in our Daily Series on the strange prophecies made by different cults and their leaders throughout this month. We're taking a daily look at the myriad of apocalyptic predictions to try and uncover. What makes these revelations so appealing? I'm here with my co host. Greg Poulsen Hi everyone. Today we're discussing. The beliefs of Israel Hawkins the leader of the West Texas based religious group known as the House of Galway since the early nineteen eighties. He's told followers that he is a holy. Prophet sent to guide them through a coming nuclear war that will claimed the lives of four out of every five people on her before he became a self proclaimed Prophet of God. Israel HAWKINS WAS BUFFALO BILL. A small time rockabilly singer and Abilene police officer in. Nineteen seventy five his eldest brother. Jj Hawkins returned from a seven year. Stay in Israel. With earth shattering news he had discovered a Hebrew inscription that read the House of Ya. He said that in that moment he realized that Yao was the one true name of God and that he was being called to lead his church through the second coming without delay. The Hawkins Brothers swapped their names for Hebrew ones fitting prophets of God. Jag became Jacoeb. Bill became Israel. They founded a pair of churches in Odessa and Abilene called the house of Galway. Their teachings were hodgepodge of Judeo Christian fundamentalism drawing from the Torah New Testament seventh day. Adventists them andy apocalyptic teachings of Herbert W Armstrong. They promoted strict adherence to the six hundred. Thirteen rabbinic laws such as not shaving beards or eating shellfish and forbade the observance of holidays like Christmas and Easter other beliefs included the doctrine that Satan was a woman specifically the traitorous former wife of Galway and that she had installed all of the world's politicians including the Catholic Pope but at the center of the House of Y'all ways teachings was the belief that the end times described in the book of Revelation. Were close at hand. Clock was to say that four out of every five shall fall away. Israel believed that he and his brother were the two witnesses from revelation. Who were supposed to warn the House of? Ya and guide it through the end times. This became impossible when Yaakob succumbed to cancer. In Nineteen ninety-one Israel responded by re translating the Scripture to show that his brother's death had in fact been foretold and that he was meant to guide the church through the second coming alone re translating and reinterpreting scripture would become go to practice for Israel over the coming years in nineteen ninety-three expanded the church's teachings to allow polygamy his wife filed for divorce and was promptly excommunicated but the house of Yahweh continued to grow by nineteen ninety six. They had hundreds of members. Many of whom lived on the House of you always knew forty four Acre property east of Abilene. Israel's sermons were distributed via the Internet and sold as tape cassettes leading to a burgeoning community of followers around the world through his sermons. Books and occasional television appearances. Israel Hawkins made a series of Public Doomsday predictions. I that four fifths of the world would be killed in a nuclear war by two two. That was later adjusted to September twelfth. Two thousand six. When the date passed without the apocalypse Israel announced that the scripture had been misinterpreted once more the nuclear warhead indeed Ben Quote Unquote conceived. In September of two thousand. Six Body would take nine months. A length of human pregnancy for it to actually come to Fruition Bat. Set the date for the second coming on. June twelfth. Two thousand seven but this also went unfulfilled. The House of Y'all way has continued to thrive. Despite numerous failed prophecies and legal troubles members who have left the group described being forced to give one third of their income to their church and of accused its founder of using mind control techniques to keep followers in line in two thousand eight. Prominent Church elder was found. Guilty of sexually assaulting his fourteen year old stepdaughter. That same year Israel Hawkins was arrested for bigamy and child labor violations. The bigamy charges were eventually dropped but he pled guilty to the charges resulting in a fine and probation while none of his doomsday. Prophecies have played out as predicted Israel Hawkins and the House of Galway maintain that the N. Times were in fact set in motion on September twelfth. Two thousand six and that the outward signs of the second coming will eventually be revealed to all thanks for listening. We'll be back tomorrow to examine the predictions of another Colt. You can catch our other episodes of cults for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts.

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Miley Cyrus Midnight Sky

Currently On

11:51 min | 2 months ago

Miley Cyrus Midnight Sky

"Good evening everyone. Welcome to the currently on podcast. It is. Thursday. August two, six, two, thousand, and twenty. It is currently eight seventeen PM central time. So that means we're just a few hours away. From New Music Friday. Yes. Now for me, it's new music Thursday because all the new music drops at eleven pm central time because I'm coming to you from Abilene. Texas. So at eleven pm central time all, the new music drops I will have headphones on I'll have all my streaming services open and I'll just start going from album to album to album actually what we may do. At Eleven PM. Central Time, we may have this microphone on I may have someone join me, and we just go through all the new releases and talk about them and give you our thoughts are predictions. While the be popular which things to listen to which things you shouldn't listen to. Now actually we tell you to listen to everything. So we're not going to tell you what not to listen to. We'll tell you what to start with. We'll give you a list say start here, make this your priority and then moved down the list to things that were not as excited about, and of course, this is very important. Whenever new music drops you want to check out the currently on radar playlist, which is available on spotify that's the currently on radar playlist, and you can tell from the title what it's all about. It's the music that should be on your radar because it's the music that's on our radar. So like that playlist, follow it, subscribe to it, check it every single day new music is being added all the time. So. If you want to keep up with what's happening, that's what you need to do. That playlist really is also going to tell you what you need to be looking forward to what may be big in the next few months. Sometimes a song will drop now and it'll be a year before it really blows up and so we're we're always trying to find that new song that we think you need to pay attention to, and we'll throw win old favorites and well, just follow that playlist. But why am I here this evening? Why am I here at eight? Well, it's now eight nineteen PM. Why am I recording an episode eight, Nineteen PM Because I've got some music news. Now it's not currently on, but it's going to be currently on and a lot of people will be talking about it. Are you ready? She's finally here, Ladies and gentlemen. Miley Cyrus is back. Yes miley Cyrus has announced the release of a new single. The new single is called midnight sky and it will be released on August the fourteenth. Now for me that will be August Thirteenth at eleven PM Central Time. Obviously, the minute the song drops I'll be listening to it. I'll do a review and I'll do an analysis of the lyrics. So let me give you the information just so that you know. So miley, Cyrus, has back. She's finally here with a new single it's called midnight sky it will be released on August the fourteenth two, thousand and twenty. She took to social media today to reveal that the first single offer long awaited album. Is Miley Cyrus is arriving August fourteenth. Is Arriving August fourteenth not the album. It's been more than a year since Miley Cyrus told us she is coming with her fiery twenty, nine, thousand, nine hundred. And now, she's here the star social media on Thursday to reveal that the first single offer a long awaited album. miley Cyrus is arriving August the fourteenth. I know it feels like you've been waiting forever and ever but no more she is finally here Cyrus tweeted alongside the glamorous cover art, my new single midnight sky, August the fourteenth. Pre Save now. So let me look here. While while source has yet to announce the release date for she is Miley Cyrus and full midnight sky is available for pre save. Now let me look here. I'm going to go to apple music, I. I. Go to. Go miley. Miley Cyrus I'm GONNA pull. and see more by Miley Cyrus pulling her up on apple music and I thought maybe they would have it here where you can save it, and then it would be added to your library the minute at a saved and I'm not seeing that. So when I say it's available for pre save, it's not available for pre save on Apple Music the latest single they have by her is slide away from August the sixteenth two, thousand, nineteen. So a little over a year ago. Let me go to let's go to spotify. Just to make sure. Miley. Cyrus. Here, she is. and Oh here we go. Well, they got the Miley Cyrus Midnight Sky playlist they have the miley Cyrus midnight sky playlist. My new single midnight sky is out August the fourteenth. So she created a Miley Cyrus midnight sky playlist, which is pretty clever because anyone out looking for the song is going to find her playlist. It's currently has one hundred and thirty, two, thousand, three, hundred, six likes which. Is Actually makes me very upset because my playlist the currently on music currently on radar playlist doesn't have one hundred and thirty, two thousand. So we need to change that like immediately. So but that is pretty clever of her, but I don't see a pre save or anything for it. So I don't know exactly what they're referring to as the pre save, but it will be available. Obviously. next Thursday next Friday. It's called Midnight Sky Miley. Cyrus, give you the basic information one more time because I. Think this is important for you to know. Here we go. So she's finally here miley Cyrus Announces Midnight Sky. Release Date The star took to social media on Thursday to reveal that the first single of a long awaited album she is Miley Cyrus. Is Arriving, August fourteenth remember the first singles arriving not the album. It's been more than a year since Miley Cyrus told us she is coming with her fiery two, thousand, nine, thousand, nine EP. Now she is here the star took the social media on. Thursday. To revealed that the first single of her long awaited album, she is miley Cyrus as arriving August fourteenth. And I quote Miley I. Know It feels like you've been waiting forever and ever but no more. She is finally here Cyrus tweeted alongside the glamorous cover art, my new single midnight sky, August fourteenth pre save now and in the article assist pre safe here. And there's no pre save here link. So I, don't. I I really don't know what they're referring to there. While Sarah's has yet to announce the release date for she is Miley Cyrus and full midnight sky available for pre save now here's the question I have for everyone. All right. I'M GONNA. I'm GONNA pull up all of her albums right If we pull up all of miley Cyrus albums are a younger. Now a Miley Cyrus and her dead pets Bangers can't be tamed the time of our lives and breakout. If we look at all of those albums, wait Is that all of them yeah. May maybe that's all the ones I see listed here You know if you think about it if you think about all and if you think about all the single, she has released with Malibu. I. Mean if you think about all the different singles, the EP EP she is released with she is coming You know I'll just I'm just looking at everything she has released And I'm just looking at all the different things that she's done. I, think you agree that she She takes a little detour or not really detours she. She clearly does her own thing. She does what she wants to do, which is one of the things that we should applaud her four. But do we really know what the new single is going to sound like? Can you really make a prediction? Is it going to be very pop? IsN'T GOING TO BE VERY R&B is going to be any kind of country vibe if you look at the cover art for it, if you look at the cover art for the album. It definitely. I would say has kind of a pop vibe to it. It's a very kind of maybe a seventy five maybe. So is it GONNA HAVE DISCO Disco feel to it. That's kind of what I'm seeing as a as a cover. So is it going to have a disco vibe? which is kind of been really popular right now. So I don't know but Miley Cyrus, midnight, Sky Willoughby available next Thursday at eleven pm Central. Time. Midnight your time. So August the fourteenth to be exact. and. You can start making your predictions. Here's your predictions. What do you think it's going to sound like do you think it's going to have disco vibe or do you think it's going to have it more of Edm? R&B Vibe Do you think Do you think it's GonNa hit number one? Do you think it will hit number one she she's obviously Taylor swift is still around making a lot. It's going to be still making noise. A lot of new albums are going to be dropped but will will she be able to cut through all of that and and enter at number one and do you think it's going to be a gigantic song? Do you think it could possibly it's coming out on August the fourteenth. Somehow. The summer will end with everyone singing talking and playing on repeat Miley Cyrus, and all of the other songs of the summer will be overshadowed is this her she got Kinda Kinda sweep in at the end of the summer and bone drop a song that just blows up and is just everywhere social media Tiktok you name it. Who knows you make your own predictions? You can let us know what you think. News I F at Yahoo. Dot. COM news I F-, Y'all who dot com is what we'll be doing leading up. To August the fourteenth on the currently on radar playlist one Miley, Cyrus, Song Day. I'm going to just go through her library the I. As soon as I hear a song that I, like I'm going to grab it and throw it on their from old stuff new stuff. I'm even pull stuff from Hannah Montana I'm just going to grab anything that's related to Miley Cyrus and throw it on there and it's whatever hits me at the time that I'm listening to it. I'm not going to pick on what I'm not going. To go with my favorites that I'm thinking of now I'm just going to listen and then whenever I find one on there. So if you WANNA see what I'm listening to as related to Miley Cyrus currently on radar playlist and I'll be adding a miley cyrus song every day from now in fact here in just a few minutes when we'll go put my headphones on and start listening. And I'll go I'll throw one on their one new miley Cyrus. Song every day until August the fourteenth, and then we'll obviously add midnight sky. So you can you can participate in that. Let us know what you think talk to us. Let us know feedback. Okay. Share this podcast with everyone if you want to know what's currently on in a few know what will be currently on soon, this podcast will keep you up to date with talking about everything but movies TV shows sports you name it we talk about it and that's what you need to know tonight midnight sky miley Cyrus is coming August the fourteenth. I hope you enjoy and has I always say at the end of every broadcast life is short. It's new music night get those headphones ready. Be Ready to stay up all night. Let's listen to some new music and let's enjoy life because it short.

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213 - Ghosts and Sociology

MonsterTalk

56:05 min | 5 months ago

213 - Ghosts and Sociology

"Monster House percents wants to talk is an independent podcast production of House LLC. You can show your support by subscribing to our AD. Free extended episodes, patriots dot com forward slash monster talk. We want to grow monster, talk, audience, and the easiest way to accomplish. That is for listeners to leave his five star reviews on iteens. Positive reviews have a huge impact, not only take a moment. Unlike anything we've ever seen before. Giant. Ness a twenty four mile long bottomless lake in the highlands. Creature known as the Loch Ness Monster. Doll! Good Grief Twenty twenty s a weird year. It's like the whole world. Got That Fortune Cookie that reads. May You live in interesting times? Karen and I are hoping that you're managing to stay safe and healthy her finding the resources you need. If you're struggling, hang in there. It's hard for me to believe it myself. Sometimes, but things will get better. This is a fun interview Karen. I managed to get with the Canadian professor. WHO's decided to start doing research on ghosts from within the academic field associated? He's just getting started, but listener patty. Mascaro alerted us to his research, and we were delighted to sit down with him to discuss it. We've been continuing to record our Sunday evening monster. Talk live episodes which you can check out. It youtubecom Ford. Slash Monster Talk podcast. And I have been terrible getting them into the regular feed and I apologize for that. It's not out of laziness, just a lack of enough hours, but I am working on some personal time management steps that should let me squeeze a few more hours out of each week. Thank you so much for your support and your patients by the way, please take a moment if you have time and subscribe to our Youtube feet, we're trying to get to a thousand subscribers, and we have some more fun video content that we started working on your liking. Subscribing to our feet is a big help. Also another apology. My audio in this episode is weird in sounds like I'm broadcasting from an AM radio and some yellow nineteen, seventy-three Delta Eighty eight I I apologize. I am sorry about that. I do have some great audio equipment, but I had to use inferior gear for this one, and sadly it sounds far worse than the recorded form than it did during the call. It's easy enough to understand the words, but I understand that it will annoy some of our audio file listeners. Especial thanks to Sean Park for helping. Edit this episode. Okay, let's get onto some more stir Dole. All right welcome to Montauk today. We're talking with Dr David Abilene Associate Professor of sociology. At the Mount Royal University, Mount Reality Mount Royal Royal. Royal University. League. Canada, in deference to other pronunciations are pronunciations or pronouncements. Right the associate professor of sociology at the Mount Royal University in Calgary Alberta Canada now I know that you are studying sociology and teaching sociology that, at least some part of that is the study of monsters in the paranormal that falls within sociology to some extent, it can can right right. It's certainly not a key focus, but I know a course of ten years during the show, we've run into a lot of sociologists who are interested in that aspect of human behavior. How did you come to get involved in the sort of paranormal side of this research? Well I. Don't know mystery to May, because I got. PhD When I was fifty, which is almost twenty years ago and I was studying I. I majored in Human Sexuality, so I'm studying human sexuality for you know for fifteen years or so and I kind of got tired of that so I was looking for something new, but. What was been interested in a para durable beliefs. Sto- I just you know put sexuality of the shells byerly of Got Got got a small grabs at then traveled across Canada. In four major cities interviewing people who believe they have seen ghosts now I will say that. I come from the Ford view of a skeptic right. I like I like evidence. Irregular defying things real that I like to see evidence of it. But. That really is a relevant because it's not with Ryan. Believe in ghosts the daily defense. And you know there's there's a nine hundred twenty s sociologist thing W I Thomas? And he says that if things are defined as real, they are real in their consequences. So I basically found a lot of people who sincerely believe seen a ghost be touched by dose spelled ago's turtle host Everything, but tasted goes to the five senses, sprite and a lot of people. They are real in their consequences. Because a Lotta, people are troubled some people are even comforted the fact that the ghost of their husband. Appeared in a window to say goodbye to them. Or you know in case. There were two A brother and sister-in-law at they appeared to been does in the bedroom. Wall saying that they're all rights. People live with ghosts. They see them every day and everything and I found this rather fascinating. But. from a from A. Six point of view. I was I went to this rather naively that. I said to myself well in A. The existence of ghosts is relevant matters with fehb leave the or not, but you know people were telling me things, and my mind was immediately going towards logical explanations. For example, somebody said I woke up in the middle of the night I had a feeling of somebody holding me down. At them might coat turned it to a little girl came toward me. Ab Seminar heard that I immediately thought of. You Know Sleep Paralysis night, terrors are Assam India this sort of thing but. When I did this I felt rather guilty. You know I sort of questioned by essentially Hulu by. Whom I sort of say what was really going on here. especially when I was there, but I felt that. My private thoughts for the trade that people have been talking to so. What I did was I'd just I just tried to put that aside lately? bracketed off and this to what the people were telling me but their beliefs. That went to step to You know that was all right bracket off logical explanations, but there are some stories. That there are no logical explanations to bracket off. People were telling me things that you know to be are to be were a against the laws of physics as possible against the laws of nature. one person told me that he called out a ghosts from behind the bed. The ghost appear at. He said you go at. The ghost shook his head. No, then he praised the Angel Gabriel. Gabriel. WHO's ten feet tall, came down talk to him and convinced him to go. He descended from the ceiling. raptor has wings and took him out through the ceiling again cloud smoke. ADS So. That was one story that I heard at. thinking you know Kinda bracket off logical explanations, but here there's absolutely no logical explanations. Do you know bracket off? It's absolutely fantastic story at. You know these are very serious people. Most of the People Act actually the majority of people I talked to had some college. AD. Fourteen. Thirty, eight of the a college degree or higher I spoke to a doctor police officer a journalist. These are people who have been trained in a pair of lobster, Bay as well, so it's not as you know as people were. Telling me funny stories or something for their own amusement. She sincerely believe that there were saying yeah, actually we've been doing monster talk for about ten years and I think when we started out, we probably were a little closer to trying to debunk some of the classic stories or you know, find out more about what was going on, but over the course of that time We've come to have a lot of empathy for people reporting the weird. Because as you say, a lot of these stories can't really be disproven are proven. They're just anecdotes in a sense, but. Would you start to have a lot of empathy for people because whether they're real or not? These these are experiences. The humans are having in as we're all humans having empathy I think and trying to understand how these stories influenced. Their lives has been really important to. A I guess a shift in how we cover the material you know I. Think reducing fear is important like. A lot of the stories we look at. We want people to know. Don't worry about this so much you know, but some of the things people experience can be quite terrifying. Yeah surprisingly. Many people told me that they weren't scares. You know and I'm thinking well. The ghost appeared in my bedroom in the middle of the night. I would be on the ceiling. Seriously, but they were scared. They were comforted. Sometimes it was a grandmother sitting on the edge of the bed or a month. Their ivory relatives of but the important thing as as as you know as you say like they sincerely believe the the. Experiences are real. that's really all that matters to me in that sense writing out I mean. I'm not going. I'm not going trying to debunk thickness like a Renault. Like somebody of the, Victorian era, looking at. Things, like that are table rappers I just associate I'll just looking to people's beliefs and I. opened my eyes. It opened my eyes that there some fantastic beliefs that they're spider race. I'm sure you could educate me. I think David and in the past ten minutes. You have answered every single question that we've written. All Going to further the detail, and just drew on the other end up some of these topics and you've spoken about some of the the categories types of paranormal encounters that people have reported at. Why do you think these experiences a common you know? Why is it that you see time and time again that people have had these bereavement hallucinations where someone a loved one has died, and then they see that person a manifestation of the more out of the corner there there, I or something like that, and then other people see demons or other people see shadow people. Why do you think that these experiences are a common? I would love to blame the absolute explosion of the paranormal media phenomena these days Count the number of the ghost hunting shows on on television. there seems to be like twelve eighteen twenty. Going at the same time had announced as those others. Also I think that sevens go stories been around folklore for thousands of years, but I think the main thing. Is that you know? We are trusting of our own personal experience. Now if you're looking at empiricism, appearance as obsessed that we're not going to have confidence in anything unless we can reproduce it. I- VIC- goes. That's very nice, but unless I could Have you come there? See the same ghost have a bunch of people. Then it becomes attic. Doth all right. People trust their own experience. I didn't ask people for example. You know that science says ghost exist. How do you answer that and? Most of the of in something to the nature of the will they have their opinion? I have mine. I'm see the ghost. Therefore, the ghost is real and I think again it's it's trusted was A. Zone. Perceptions, but at the same time a lot of people said I saw the ghost in my mind I saw the ghost out of the corner of by a lot of corner of my eye. sightings example. Or more so corner of I that full-on matings there it is right. But You, know I think. The first of all we trust our own perceptions, but Very often, our our perceptions or bias to you know to our own biographies. Our beliefs in the sort of thing I mean one of the million dollar question is. Why do people even God with? You know there's no empirical evidence. That will get in trouble. You'll find out when you die I think. Right when I was reading about your study, I think I read that new curriculum wrong. The part of what you're doing right now is trying to classify the stories. What kind of if that's right? What kind of classification you're looking at? Right. A right now. I'm in the coding phase which means I. Read the interviews and every time something relevant comes out like. Appearance I will come to parents. So I don't have an answer to that yet, but. You know I will I will. Come out with that. Are you looking at something like Like folklore motif kind of coating is that. Are you looking for like full bodied apparition versus You listen sation or I mean that's the that's the quantitative. Our division Humphry goes through male female relatives. Somebody were strangers. How many were attached to a house. Happy just floating around to of. Why were they? Here was the reason of a and that those are the sort of questions. I'm looking at right now, but it's sort of like you know. I have thirty eight reviews several hundred pages and a giant jigsaw puzzle. Taking them as sorting them into all sorts of categories here we'll order them counting the number of ghosts and I think I've got about three hundred three hundred does and that was from Interviews and twenty four stories that through email. The interview IS A. Point of view, and some of the some one guy saw a man walking around with his head. Dead Soldier FOR EXAMPLE A. Lot of children. I found children who don't know. They're dead and they. They want to play. These ripostes. They know that WanNa play, but you don't WanNa play with them they get. A lot of pets. Your your beloved cat or your beloved dog. Surprisingly a lot of people said the pets your dog as the sense, the ghost before you do. So, you know you'd be sitting on the couch and then suddenly refer. Is like looking at the foot of the stairs for example some lake. Apparition peers later. That's that's quite eerie. Oh, it is I I had a haunting experience myself before I became a hardcore skeptic. And when of the things I did was got a dog because I knew from folklore that dogs could see the paranormal and now I've come to believe that pets are idiots, but that's a. that's a big transition. Your your subjects. Did you find that They were reluctant to share the stories that they thought that you wouldn't believe them or that. Other people had played this stories in the past. There were a few statements like you must think of crazy person telling you this, but. You know generally I mean first of all is very impressed of the people in police officer. Doctor Journalists you know. These were very rational people. Sitting down. Places? Usually a coffee shop you know with my tape recorder on. Your but I found that they were very anxious to talk to be finally. Somebody is looking at this stuff. A of said I got I got people mostly through craigslist. CRAIGSLIST has a bad reputation as reasons but. He the volunteer section traits Dapple you put ads. They're looking for people to interview That's got a lot of people in that way. They were. Dodge finally somebody's looking at as do. I have a story for you. There are people who had experienced ghosts. They were four years old. Right down to the people that you know what that is. Fifties never seen a ghost before some lay. There is what? right in front of even talking to them. You know and a so, so, that's that's that's interesting, if people alder lives and then people at once and never again. Those ones that never got experiences. Interesting. News, you said that you would interviewed what? How many people thirty four? And then thirty eight, and then you've got a more than twenty additional writings, but from that that you've got more than three hundred ghosts reported. That's. Yes. That's that's I don't know what that is. polly apparition at that's like that. Yeah. Bad. Some people get no goes in. Some people get a more than their fair share. Well I not only talk to so shall we say regular people, but I also talked to their eight people who define themselves as what they called sensitives. you know the they have the ability to sense these thing. And I would say well Jeez You're lucky am I. Don't have family the answer as what you have to work with your mind, sensitives Some couple of a spiritual leaders digits. Virtually eaters at Apart Investigation Group I interviewed, said they. Saw Got Gab at. One clairvoyant into Matrix Living from her. From her ability to see ghosts. people everything else. So anyway. I was just wondering like y such. A small population would have such an excessive amount of reporting and I wonder if that says something about well as you say if they if they say, they're lanes and. I mean. I've had some weird experiences myself but been to. We've always explained away and I mean we look really we look at the the paranormal is more of a perspective that you. If you are a believer, you can have paranormal lack experiences, but if you're oblivion going to interpret those as being paranormal, if you'll most skeptically inclined, and you're going to look full natural explanations for. US. Yeah when I was twenty four, my grandmother died. She was in the hospital and I remember. How feeling very cold in my bed. like a something with. The. Temperature dropped in the room at that. There was the phone call to tell us that she dies now. That can be interpreted many. you know. If I were a believer I. Would you know I would interpret that as she has Passing say goodbye for example, but as a not a believer. Just interpreted as some changes in my body for some reason that I was stress you know so. We can look at it both ways. Depending apart beliefs. If you like? We do a lot of work around like reading about memory, and how memories change over time too, and it's I I know even from my own experience. I think about ten years after my experience I, wrote them down, and then about ten years later went back and revisited, and even then my memory to change. I mean there was still the core was there, but the owner which things happened had changed. Lots of little details had morphed over time. It's just really hard to keep an accurate memory memories. Not let's constantly being reformed exactly. I think there's a question in that, too. Were a lot of these stories recent with these experiences that are taking place sometime ago just a mix and combination of both. Both there was a there were several people could tell you how many but quite a few who always remember that they'd see those now. It's interesting the story Liz. I was four years old. I was sitting on the closets. And Mad was sitting beside me and I. Thought Okay, and I started talking to the you know and he talked back the. You know that sort of thing, but if you're four years old you don't say you know. Crap is a mad beside me. He discerned except your fire moments. As as a given. D- Institute, reality and not reality. So you know. Some people have had it all their lives and again one time only but. The ones that have had other lives A. Did mentioned that their parents also believed it goes. Some had seen ghosts. There were. Raised with those the house. They lived in an old smart house in Ontario or some. Some. You know I think. Background makes a difference right, so you can visit Kinda socialization. Where if someone's raised in a religious household? Has Hold to believe as that's going to affect them. Possibly lives. Exactly exactly. That's actually this reminds me a little bit of. The. bigfoot field research organization, the BE FARRO has a huge database of people reporting big stories. I'd love to I'd love to talk to bigfoot site people. Project W-. Next project, the interesting thing about that their database is as a person who works with data for my day job I I find it. problematic like there's there's classifications of you know. How almost like the close encounters I kind second kind of way, but. There's also the factor that. Some of the most impressive. Happened the furthest back in time from when they were reported. And that dimension of how long ago these experiences happened, make them almost impossible to go research that the you can't go back and recreate that moment because it wasn't last week, it was three decades ago. Well to people as I sicher hearing them Song Ghost as I was interviewing as you were, while were talking to them. Why are you talking about said? There's a man behind you. Looked around I could see a mad as well by Katzen, he's there. He's wearing a black ABS-. Nova there nobody there. Okay this This one person herself as a as a sensitive. Another person told me that there's an angel hover around on my left shoulder and that she has always been there. I could see. As well so but getting back to you know. Time. I think if you can really relate the story that happened ten twelve years ago. It must've left a very deep impression on you. You have never forgotten it so there's there's probably a distortion overtime, but at the same. it's imprinted on the memory. Because it's offered. Dominant says of how insignificant tax variants. I was told by the way that they're gonNA. Live to eighty eight years old so that put a spring. Nice Sir. I've got twenty years ago. It tastic up it. Well, you know I don't want. I don't want to say that that just because the memories aren't reliable that they never happened because that's not what I mean I just means. The the. They're important. Give you there, but yeah. The the details can change and. Yeah, and if if there's nothing more to the story, then I saw this person all this figure. You know. Maybe it doesn't matter if the memories are fairly mutable, I mean it's not like you get to falsify the story because they said there was a hat now. There's no hat when they retail at twenty years later. You know what I mean like those does. The details are GONNA be malleable in any story. But I think we do you know? We do like to find out. If. Whether. There's anything to the ghost like do the ghosts only come from us or to go have some real? You know. Corporeal or like some basis in reality you know. That's interesting that that's an interesting philosophical question. Your. First of all the goes, come from and a lot of people talk about the veil. Now what is the veil is? It's always seems like it's a curtain somewhere that you go in and out of. Doesn't seem to have a definite place. Or anything else, it's just sort of something that exists over a Bummer, a super nature that you go through, and you don't gross or read Oko strobe like a different dimensions I liked your question though. Thumb to go. From US or do they or do they exist Sui jet, so he got arrest by themselves. I think they would certainly come from us. Customer experiences but some. reinsured our experiences in numerous different ways you know. If. I got ups in the night at my house I to find it as so damn. I need a plumber. other people might be terribly scared that there's a ghost in their house. That's as a matter of background as a matter of way, you process information. Perhaps. It's a matter of wishful thinking. Eight pences to somebody summary Factors. They're also Since we are the interpreters of our own experience, the ghost would come from us. And I should mention this point two. That's one of our listeners actually introduced us to you, and that's up. Petty Miscarriage obligated a colleague of yours from the university. Exactly has. Very grateful to her. Yes. Yes, we're very grateful to, and she sent us an article. In which he'd been interviewed by the university about your work and one of the things that you've said is that you wanted to find out what people believe, and also how that affects the lives so? How did these paranormal experiences affect people's lives and wise? This important her for them. At all sorts of ways. First of all looking at the sensitives, there were a couple of other actually three or four of them that sent us you know things. The nature of this is really unpleasant I wish I did have it one person. said that. He feels pain when people die before they die. You know so he knows that they somebody's going to die somewhere. Another person said you know I can't be in public. I'm on the bus. I feel everybody's emotion You'll. That must be. This is the luckiest time for them. In the world they can't be. Yeah, I absolutely heard stories like this before with people talking about all when I'm around other people, I can feel that headache that the person next to me has if someone's GonNa call that can I could sense that, so you have different head of these impact types. In! You have empathy towards the empathic response to parasite stories, so if I started talking about. DIG Under my skin why I. Bet you start, it's. Setting Maybe it's being psychosomatic. Stories, so you know, and if you again if you're a sensitive. That you can't be. They can't get a hostile why. Thousands of thousands of people died at a hospital especially events like hundred years old. I can. The energy. Energy was was a big word for a lot of people they didn't actually see ago. They walked into a room and my God. This is just. Really. Bad Energy and I had to get out of there. I stay in this room guest. The bad energy so that happened quite a bit. That's really interesting to me the the. Physics has a meaning for energy. That's very specific and it. It's really easy for skeptics to get really smog and say well. That's not what energy means. Energy means this other thing. But I I think if someone who has you know I was a teenager once? I had dates and I remember what it was like to date someone who sought the energy out of your life, and so when I hear people talk about Sin Psychic Vampires, and that sort of thing like. I. Don't think they're paranormal, but I know what they mean like. I'm very sympathetic to the idea that that there's a concept of energy. Yeah, definitely, a layperson since of of energy, and all of these terms to even like vibrations. A lot of those tens of I've just been A. A different meanings and usage among the public, a colloquial meaning, which is is real enough you know, and that we vibe you know the whether it's a psychic. You know impact without without without granting of psychic powers. I am aware there's a dimension of human psychology where you are impacted by place and by circumstance. So I, just went through that out there because I skipped his get a bad rap for being reductionist and I. You know I don't think we all are some. I actually I just wrote that down. What is energy question mark you know. I guess. I don't that they're not meaning it in the physics sense right. That you've been measure although there are devices that of. Paranormal investigators use a forgot the name of the. We. We're very well versed in those things like redes- and Katie Betas and. You've done a lot of shows on ghost hunting. Yes, okay. Our listeners, I know what you're talking about. Yeah, and and I. We've come to the conclusion. I think that those devices don't translate to actually recognize the sort of colloquial version right, so the feelings of energy, or whatever that is that you feel when you walk into like going into an old asylum for example you know there. There's something to that and you can. You can pre lose food or Yeah! Primarily yeah. Yeah? So much going on there. With best, not gonNA show up on any meter. Another interesting thing is that I've come across three people. The bats net. For, some, Soft. This person was a real person but this. Then turned out to be a ghost. Is A I don't know how well you know this part of Canada, but. This wonderful place about eighty miles from here called Bab. Baffles like this wonderful wilderness with this old grabbed hotel. and. In there, there's quite a famous goes cold. Jimmy the BELLHOP. And he appears sometimes, but One Guy told me it was an elevator in in this vast springs hotel and You know there was a small decrepit old bellhop who was the elevator? And he was insulting every setting of them he just got out of the elevator of next floor, turned around and disappear, and the manner followed There were no doors or anything for him to have gone through I just heard after he was gone. And other people and other women saw met two men, both took her took her in each hat. They took each of her hands side-by-side. told her she was underfoot. person turned around. The corner disappeared yet. That's really interesting that you see real people who are actually goes. You know it's A. Perhaps. There might be logical explanation for them. You know maybe. That's the the band Springs Hotel NFL. Is that. That is a gorgeous place I've always wanted to go there. It's so spectacular. It looks very gothic. How does come up here and I'll I'll show you around well, that is. That's my in game man. Canada. Jimmy the bill story. was there any follow up to that? Because that was sending a little bit to me like it? Open legend that we've spoken about the full, the little different story plan quite similar. Yeah! I did actually call the hotel haven't gotten around gun visiting them yet talking about it, but. They, do say yes. It stories on a lot of a lot of. Guests over the years have. said that they've seen him. There's another hotel. or I won't say the Senate. Canada But. There's of the bribes. And she basically goes around. She comes back once a year on the anniversary of the day or Hudson Reshad years ago. People have seen her. There's one room that people have come screaming out. But at the same time you gotta figure. It's to the advantage of a hotel to play on those stories right? Because that's. That's. I'm going to ask for that room. Right right right. That's that's I. think my experience Staying at the Stanley was. They were definitely leaning on the paranormal stuff That's the hotel that was the basis of the shining. Oh! Yeah. They definitely do not like US skeptics. Mike has been done similar work to me and he was banished all basically. Not Allowed to come back to the hotel because he. Debunked some of the stories that have taken place there, ghost hunters had gone bear, and had a number of things apparently happened to them and so he. Explained what could have possibly happened where he actually had had on information from the the actual people who would say that saw these would just tricks, and these were just natural, naturally occurring things, and so he bas- please don't come back. Wait a minute, so if I go check in if Stanley Bill I if funded a skeptic bill do a banished check. Predator. Because they will weed out. What's supposedly manual or happy does proven what can be true. I next time in that city. I will go to that hotel all last for that room. But I won't stay alone. I tell. Not to five hundred a Stanley, so we'll have to catch up a few few come to Colorado. Is the style is it in Colorado U S as far. As pop. Center! Bats at Narran from Denver. Love it such a such a beautiful little, Valley. Pretty and it's right at the entrance to the Rocky Mountain Park. Probably have about two or three years ahead to get the haunted rooms. They're. Very expensive about five hundred dollars a night? We can play. Bouncing sold about thirty miles out of Calgary. The the the the the ghosts in the regular rooms are not as posh I. Guess that's. Exactly. But. There was a story of a government official visit there. Quite high up, not not the prime minister, but somebody else. Ran Out of the room screaming. At so I don't know. As I say. I mean if I did see a ghost I would believe. That's it's a simple as that, but other otherwise I think I've. Quite successfully taken the question of whether ghosts actually exists, or not at you know throated aside I think you have to. So. When you approached these you can talk about this little bit in the Intro, but when when you approach this is your sociologists, your skeptic and you're you're approaching these. When you're listening to the stories like capture them, and and are you trying to remain neutral while you listen, and then like you, your critical evaluation later, or what? What? What's your approach there like? What does your note taking like like? What's it like to be sociologist researcher of this topic? Actually actually I enjoy doing. It's a very social thing, or you're sitting down somebody. Turn on your tape recorder. which has unbeknownst phone these days there hundred times better than the old tape recorders. They'll pick up an elephant. Mile away or or yeah or Go Material. What do they call that a psyche was? The EMF S not right. It's Oh my gosh, electronic voice Fama Woo. Yeah, but anyway so interviews the. Transcribed the interview as forbade as possible, and then you start reading it. Start picking up the what's interesting so and again you put thirty eight viewers together in several pages. It's a jigsaw puzzle. It's almost like you're taking a pair of scissors and cutting out things and putting them in piles. So then you found. We know you've got like eighteen incidences where people said that twenty four in people's that only two were they sent that, and then it's going to take it from there will might my. My approach to is sun is grounded theory. was that simply means is that you walk into the field with a few infamous assumptions as you possibly can, and you build your theory of doctors -Ly from the data so I'm in that process right now. Scientists that's why. Not Been Terribly Theoretical right now, but. If you! Come see me next year. Maybe I'll. Maybe I'll be able to dazzle. We? Would you love to follow up on this I? Think one of the things I've noticed is. Lot of the people who do research into these fringe topics are not formally trained researchers amateur researchers with a lot of these. Yes. Exactly. But they, don't they. They sometimes do a filtering on the material. What I'm thinking about is there's been lots of times and CRYPTOS. Where people are trying to get big stories, and then the people reporting will say Oh, and also I saw you a photo, and they won't include that in their research or the UFO, people say and I saw for. Like just a number researchers said well. You know there's some contractually listen to these people. There's crossover material. It wasn't really part of my research, but it's interesting. If you collect it, it might say something might be important I don't know is there is a filtering going on as the stuff gets reported. Or bias. Not to. Speak very much about American politics. If you like, but you know, there are certain news stations in the United States and search reporters. That Horribly horribly bias reality it will listen to this news station and you know they'll think about. It isn't very same you know. If you go out to prove the existence of. You know and talk to people well it how he can't at Dryer conclusions before you do your research that's like the the prime directive in any of the social sciences. You know here conclusions come after the research now for. Politics out of the. So with your research, have you? Come up with any statistics. How common belief is an in? I guess we could break that down. To how many people have war? Percentage of people have seen a ghost or will percentage of people believe in the paranormal in general. Do you have any did developing? Some that I wish I had done information yet there are there are no studies that I know of in Canada that. Have General Survey is. Canceled Several studies in the United States written down here I mean there's the Chapman University. Survey for example. And they say that fifty eight percent of Americans believe that the police can be haunted is also a Pew Research Center. Poll that says and percents of Americans believe in the presence of ghosts, so I mean Canada I, think would be probably quite similar areas. There are similarities in the culture, but. You know so I think we could go was. Eight hundred percent given the data eighteen twenty percents. Studies that say anything from around that figure through maybe seventy five percents and I guess it depends on on the study in the time, but I would think that it would be higher than eighteen percent. A lot of people sent me. In the general public seemed to believe in ghosts and the supernatural load up. Don't forget. This is eighteen percent believe they've been in the presence of sight right. People haven't had that opportunity so to speak but China mistake put fifty eight percent. It's because all these other guys are hoarding all the ghosts. That's what's going on. Eight. Yes except. In thinking, it's very very comforting to you know believe in. Ghosts I would think I guess you know all of your loved ones. They're going to be there. It's it would be very comforting to believe in heaven. Are, you're GONNA. See that you love. And, presumably not. Everybody that you did get along with advice Kinda Sake so. Envious. It's always have empty of people who firmly have these beliefs because they can be comforted, but at the same time they can be terrifying particularly if you feel that, you have a malevolent ghosts around, you found a couple of cases at. Ghosts. In the house and refuses to leave alcohol innate spiritual leader edition the version leader. They call it a priest to bless the house. Now that goes is still there. What leave I'm sure there's lots of ways to slice this up, but I I can't help, but think about it in terms of people who see haunting such as. A sort of place. In time sort of thing where you know, you have recurring Phantasm, and then the people who see them as grief Fanta Greece Specter's and then the third being the people who see them as this is sort of a spectrum, but from spirituality and spiritualism to new age that sort of ghosts as a proof of that that mainstream religion got it wrong and and the I think. The the different ways of looking at things I mean. When's almost like a a weird phenomenon? That might not even. An a consciousness in, and then the other ones seemed like a message from the other side and the third one is all over the place so I'm really interested to see how you carve this up in your work, so I actually learned. To. Make US few assumptions possibly build up from the data. If I were. If I were to sort of characterize that I might have the frame at this point or the APP or perhaps the foundation laid yeah. There's no walls up yet. I, mean we? We know there's been a tremendous amount of research in this field for from lots of different angles, so I'll be really interested to see where you where you go to to get your influences on your study. This'll be really cool so I like I like Eddie. Are this getting a a sort of frontside peak at at where your your your efforts are going? To. We interested to find out what other research is influenced. You'll study. From a sociological or interview? There's very very little research. On actual ghost leaves if you like. Psychology has quite a quite a few research on paranormal phenomena tonight, but in sociology. It seems to be you know only a handful of people I've started reading books. But it is very hard to find a legitimate boca actually on dose beliefs. A lot of. Bookstores like famous ghost of Canada or Something like that, you know. Each champions different ghosts of. The stories, no analysis exactly exactly. So that. They know they saw. Yet. We definitely throw you some things that we found helpful if you're interested, so. Absolutely you can email them today. I'll go. And and I think in general the from the area of psychology. People like Richard Wiseman. Yes! There's a lot going like there's the there's understanding goes from a experiencers perspective from a cultural perspective from A. You know. How can I protect myself? There's all kinds of ways of looking at it. In skeptical perspective, people like joy nickel. Absolutely so it's yeah, we've got locked. And US and US. Yeah in ten years of talk so yeah. There there. There are a number of you know their number of that macro series, the sociology for example phenomenology which talks about the paramount reality versus finite provinces, meaning in other words, the reality we live verses you know some realities that other people have. In religious studies has done a lot of work on this, too. Yeah exactly. Yeah Yeah, I just I don't WanNa leave anybody out, because we've talked to so many academics working in this field, but yeah, we'd be glad to throw away and we look forward to seeing what you're able to produce this. You really cool frustrated. It's been wonderful talking tvos. All, right well. We are at the in Denver. Our time. All right. David Abilene. Yes, sir, what is your favorite monster? By. Alex Spooky of Casper. Do you know the reference spooky in Casper a new Casper, the friendly? Aspirin the from the goes to the same time There's spooky. street-smart dosed, and when I was ten eleven twelve years old as to these comics all the time, but that was stuck with me but I. don't think they have them anymore, but the spooky. The tuff little ghost. With the. Pat On the Centaur, yeah. This. Part of the new Casper cartoon show from nine hundred sixty three to sixty nine, so I guess I did see it. Stuff. Smoking? That is really yeah. That's Yeah Yeah Yeah that I'm sure he's. He's cleaned up his act now so. Like, the Rock Monster, a never ending story, Oh yeah, that's. Yeah Yeah exactly. Yes that's yeah. He is really cool. Yeah, that's such a such an influential film I I don't know if you watch the TV. Show str- or the Netflix show stranger things, but in the most recent season they had that show the movie sort of made an appearance. It was really fine for people, my age That was the eighty well. Yeah, it was. It was so yeah. A very fun. Nostalgia trip there, so it'd be a good place to throw in that music okay well. WE'RE GONNA wind up a David so much for talking much. That was really interesting. We look forward to finding out. The results of research wants to have you back on again. Mourn Stirling Doll, you've been listening to monster talk. The science show about monsters I'm Blake Smith and I'm Karen now. You've been listening to an interview with Dr David. 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