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"abdul el sayed ed" Discussed on Slate's The Gist
"Com slash. Gist joined once. More by dr abdul. El-sayed ed with whom we talked about vaccinations and wealth. Yesterday today i began by asking him. And by the way he ran on medicare for all platforms. Now out with a book of that name. So i wanted to talk about the regular criticism of pharmaceutical companies in twenty nine thousand nine. Gallup poll said that the pharmaceutical industry was the least popular industry the united states and that's why criticizing them during political rallies always got a great response especially among left or liberal democrats. But now it's not as if trust in. The pharmaceutical industry has spiked through the roof. But it has gone up a measurable bit at. Does these research surveys. They find that trust in the private sector. In general and pharmaceutical companies specifically is comparatively high. So i ask dr outside. Is it going to be as easy as it once was to lay into drug companies if we get past the pandemic because we will have gotten past the pandemic. Thanks in large part to the efforts of these companies. I wanna make sure that we are recognizing the system and not just the industry remember that a lot of the investment in the pharmaceutical industries capacity to research and develop and then ultimately deploy vaccine came from we. The taxpayer came from government right. Ten billion dollars invested in the research and development in the madeira vaccine for example it was developed. Most of the science was developed in a national institutes of health based right so this was the federal government operating to prop up the capacity of pharmaceutical industries or pharmaceutical corporations. That have long since actually gotten rid of the research and development arms because they'd much rather just by biomedical companies. That are on the cusp of a new development. And then take them from there right. So that's that's number one number two low right. I do think it is a moment where these corporations have finally done what they were supposed to do. And then right and then right they were riding high on the public goodwill and then you have a situation where visor for example comes back and says well the good people who are deploying. These vaccines found that they could squeeze a sixth vaccination a five vaccine vial. So we're going to do is we're going to count toward our two hundred million dollar dose and charge you for it right and here you go pharma. Doing what pharma does. And and so. I do think that we can walk and chew gum. We can appreciate that. The pharmaceutical industry did in some respects. The thing is they were supposed to do but in large part as they always are. They were subsidized by the federal government. Wants to take all the credit for the outcomes and on the back end are trying to extract as much money as they possibly can. Because pharma again is a large profit motivated industry that has tight control over some of the things that we need most in our lives. Which are the medications that keep us alive. Right good example. That's about the aspiration of the needle that depending on the method of injection. There's an extra dose in there. Is that right. The aspiration exactly what they've started to deploy these very special syringes. That can get the dose out based on these files are. Are there vacuum-sealed ryan so you have to stick a syringe in their take. Pull the medication out and you replace it with air but if you have a special kind of needle there's actually a little bit leftover which is enough for our sixth dose and pharma. Despite the design flaw right are now trying to take advantage of it and profiteer off it. Oh you're thinking the way. I read that story as well if it really is a six dose and they contracted for this many doses and depending on the methodology of extracting it. Why shouldn't they get credit. And you know what's going to go in a six more. Well let me do the math right. It's going to get go into the arms of twenty percent more people. Why shouldn't they get credit for that. The other side of that though is to say they did it by accident and they were planning to produce more and more in the middle of a national catastrophe where we need every single dose. We can get so now right. They're planning basically failed to account for this six in the first place and then they're trying to use their own mistake right to get themselves out of producing twenty percent more vaccine which is something that the public needs in which is something that the public needs very quickly right now. When was the last time you give someone a shot. Man not since med school. Okay 'cause i've also been reading. That nurses are saying you know. What are you talking about. Everyone everyone knows that we all know one uses the old kind of needles. This eminently foreseeable. It's true but they didn't plan for it right. And that was never a part of their plan and so even if it was emily able you would expect a corporation to foresee it and they failed to do that and now when actual nurses on the ground heroically trying to pull as many doses as they can't vials they have find it. They're now trying to. They're now trying to take credit for it and buy themselves out of producing twenty percent more vaccine which they were supposed to produce in the first place so i understood it was a good answer to the question about his. Big pharma. Less of a Boogeyman than it was before. So i wanna ask you to put on your politician hat or someone who advises politicians hat. Do you think even though you're long explanation not that long. But you're a reasonable explanation would hit my ears the ears of someone who listens to such podcast and perhaps convince them that if you have to take off the elements of a stump speech big pharma goes somewhere down the list because of our experienced during the pandemic. I would argue that that at this point. So there's actually. I've taken my politician hat off and i'm gonna put my public health practitioner. Hot going after big pharma right now. When we're trying to convince people to take the vaccine is the most important and probably not the most advisable thing to do but it is over the long term really important for us to get right because unfortunately one of the things that we keep seeing in our society is that we keep de constructing our public health infrastructure. Because we don't have the money to pay for it and giving big corporations like the pharmaceutical industry tax break after tax break. And then asking why we can't. We don't have the money to invest. And so i think it's important right to get past some of these talking points which are right like at this point for a lot of reasons. It's not the thing you're going to harp on but get passing these talking points and start analyzing the system that gets created in the way that we make decisions about where we where we allocate resources and you know the great paradox of all of this is that yes. The pharmaceutical industry with the vast support of the government was able to create a new vaccine soup to nuts in less than a year and that is a huge really breathtaking scientific achievement. But on the back end of that it all got it all got flummoxed because we didn't have the infrastructure to be able to deploy those vaccines into arms in any reasonable time dime line so all of this is to say that our society right when we think about it. it's not just about the heroes and the villains it's also about the system that is created that allows us to achieve the outcomes that we want when we overvalue private industry and sector in particular like the pharmaceutical industry over what government can must end does do every single day in ways that really do protect those who are the most vulnerable when you side at the beginning of that question. Was it that you were thinking frustrated. I was thinking also. I'm frustrated right in because what tends to happen here. Right is is far. Pharma fucks up all the time they lobby for lower taxes. They lobby to keep raising the rates. They lobby so that they don't have to negotiate with the government and they do one thing right and now all of a sudden we want to call them. Heroes right i just. It's very frustrating. Because it leaves us forgetting about the full system that has been created that has led us to such failure in the moment of this pandemic. And i am never going to be someone who is comfortable calling the pharmaceutical industry. Any kind of hero. When i've had to look people in the is who can't afford their insulin and tell them that there's really no reason why except for some. Ceo thinks that their bonus this year.
"abdul el sayed ed" Discussed on Vox's The Weeds
"Health insurance exchanges, and we will just pay people money, and they'll go do what they want. I still descru- so to make one distinction here. The concern about employer dumping is that you currently pay for people's health insurance, but knowing there'd be subsidized exchanges. Let's say you're an employer and you. You pay for kind of Shitty health insurance for employees. You don't pay that well, right? You're an employer retail employer, something and your wage structure is not high. The employees dumping is that you would just dump them onto the exchanges. He would stop paying for anything all and say hey, you guys don't make that much money. Anyway. Just go onto the exchange as we are going to be almost entirely subsidized, and we'll give you a dollar, raise or something and net net. You'll come out better. That's very different than employer by in right where employers can decide. The exchanges are a better deal for them or in the Biden plan. The public option is a better deal for them and their employees and buy into in that world. The employer is still spending money right. The the concern you have here could be twofold, but usually the concerned Democrats are worried about is that it will radically increase the cost of the exchanges because. Employers are going to now be getting everybody subsidized. Read instead of. Doing things themselves, but that doesn't happen really an employer by any employer, still spending their money so what you're worried about bear for, either because private insurance companies will be mad at you, or you just think it's a bad idea, or you're worried about risks. Election is something that sometimes comes up here. Maybe the employers who have an older riskier population do this and the employers with younger healthier populations wouldn't but you're worried about somehow unwinding the private market which I think, you should do I just. Just, think it's genuine. It's not neutral here, right? The employer and notably as I understand the way this breaks down. Let's say you want to be an employer and you doing exactly what you just said that you are starting a new business and say to yourself. This is stupid. Let's not get into all this work with HR and like contracting with Cigna or at now or Blue Cross, or whoever? Let's just pay our plays more money and they can use that money to get onto the exchanges. As I understand it, and they can tell me if this is wrong, but that money is not tax deductible anymore. One of the reasons we have is whole player health insurance market. Is it while the money that my employer that Vox pays me? Wages gets asked the money they pay me in healthcare. Benefits does not get taxed so like about money is worth that dollar is more than a dollar to me. in theory at least so that wouldn't happen in this other world. You're talking about like even if the public option so much cheaper employers can't like, choose it and still get the big discount that is making their tax dollar. Healthcare dollars go so much further than their wage. Dollars will go now my understanding of the reason. They don't WanNa do this, is it? The public option is going to use at least as I've seen most of the proposals here, some version of rough Medicare pricing some alterations to it, but it's roughly using Medicare pricing that means it is getting a pretty big price discount from private insurance, and what that means is that? If you let everybody buy into it, it would be cheaper. See would expect it would take over the public insurance I'm sorry. The entire health insurance market like it just be dumb. pay for private insurance when you could get more generous insurance or cheaper insurance through the. The public options and Biden does not want to disrupt the market much one go. I think you should, but that is not their view. They're not disruptive in that way, but so this did not do the this. They did not change the plan here to light as I. PUT IT in my a couple months ago. Move past employer based health insurance like they're still trying to keep employer based health insurance in play right. Okay, this is this is super easy, but like I think every like we are the. We don't know every every CFO in. America is going to have to sort of do math on this. Because this is a few different considerations, one is the public option as you're saying. Should have any pricing advantage relative to private insurance. Right like the going to go further there because of price controls in effect on the flip side. You get a tax simcity. For going private, rather than just paying people, wages directly so how valuable that tax subsidy is is going to depend on both. How highly paid your employees are? Because the marginal rates are quite different at different points, and also what state you're in ACAS. State income taxes vary quite a bit then conversely. Employees get access to direct monetary subsidies if they're earning less than four hundred percent of the federal poverty level, which is a lot of people I mean four hundred percent of F. B.. L. For one person is fifty one thousand dollars, and it's higher than that You know if you've kids things like that, so it's a non trivial share of the the wage earning population I i. don't know exactly how much, but I think it's on the. The order of forty percent in the subsidies are going to become more generous because they do like nervous. Thing in the universe is in this buying healthcare plan with they are going to pay the affordability metric to a gold rated plan rather than civil rated plan, which is like no one in America is going to be excited about that because nobody except you mean Sarah Cliff knows what it means but but the subsidies are getting more generous. So long story short. If you have a primarily low wage workforce, you may be better off now. Sending people to the Exchanges Abbott. If you've a high paid workforce, you probably won't be then I, think on the macro politics, though right your piece that came out a couple months ago right but I thought he made this point well, which was that people had sort of swept under the rug, a big difference between Biden's healthcare plan and other healthcare plans that were. Coded as moderate. And so I going into the task force process kind of intimidated that there might be a big change here because. Establishment players in the Democratic Party seemed to concede that people just healthcare plan counted as moderate. Right like bothering, people did not have a problem with Mayor Pete. It was just like voters didn't vote for him, so it seemed like it should have been possible for by to go there as a concession to the sanders people, but then ultimately he. Right, and so I I would score this as a kind of defeat for the left that I have not heard the left vocally complaining about. But objectively it seems like there was a good opportunity to go with much more progressive plan that it comes sort of crease certified by donors pundits acceptably moderate and they just they didn't do it at possibly because they have intelligence that it's a nonstarter in Congress I don't really know so this is this is actually what I wanted. This is what the next place wanted to go on a on these task forces because I think this is really important understanding what we're looking at here. Here because we keep looking at them and being like like for instance, the Co chairs of this plan of the healthcare part of this or representative millage AIA Paul who's Co Chair of the House Progressive Caucus and the sponsor of the Medicare for all bill in the House and Vivek Murthy who is a former surgeon general, but also on that team were Donald, Berwick, who's a former CMS director and helped write Elizabeth Warren's plan Abdul El-Sayed ed. who was a gubernatorial candidate in Michigan? Doctor Big single payer support our Chris..
"abdul el sayed ed" Discussed on Michigan Policast
"That holds public officials government accountable in assists in the promotion of progressive ideas in an abundance of caution. I am ordering the closure of all K twelve school buildings in Michigan for three weeks. Starting Monday March sixteenth until Sunday April. Fifth much of the world's activity grinds to a halt as cove in nineteen becomes a worldwide pandemic. A pandemic that caught are very stable. Genius flat-footed now. I don't take responsibility at all. Because we were given a a set of circumstances and we were given rules regulations and specifications from a different time. was it meant for this kind of An event With the kind of numbers that we're talking about. This is the Michigan podcast. We're all about Michigan politics and policy and the outside forces impacting our pleasant peninsulas. I'm well sort practicing social distancing from lansing and I'm Christine Berry practicing my social distancing from my liberal blogging compound in Corona. It seems like in history but it was just this last week. This saw Joe Biden Storm. Three Michigan's presidential primary pulling off what Susan d-mass referred to as the full whitmer because much like whitmer and her primary. Joe Biden won all eighty three Michigan counties and essentially locked up the Democratic nomination. We'll take a look at some of the numbers behind his victory as well as some new wrinkles in the reelection efforts of Senator Gary Peters in a few moments we'll be joined by Detroit's former public health director in two thousand sixteen gubernatorial candidate. Dr Abdul. El-sayed ed his specialty is Epidemic Balaji. We'll talk about his new book healing politics and his thoughts on how both president trump and governor. Whitman have responded to the corona virus..
"abdul el sayed ed" Discussed on Pod Save the World
"Welcome back to Pod. Save the world this time of year tour. Thank you guys for tuning in on this wild impeachment week couple of things. Ben Is on the road so my co-host today is Kelly Maximun. You guys have heard her on the show before cheesy vice president for National Security at the Center for American progress. She's an Iran expert. She's a defence offense expert. She's awesome and I was so glad I had her today because of the issues we touched on which included trump attempting to extort the government of Ukraine for dirt on Joe Biden trump's speech today at the UN General Assembly the latest on Iran and whether trump will meet with Iranians trump's troop deployment to Saudi Arabia we talked about the Israeli elections and then the latest on the protests in Egypt which bubbled up over the weekend on was pretty amazing also part of that conversation about Ukraine Congresswoman Melissa Block in from Michigan Dialing. She published an op Ed today with six other freshman democratic members of Congress who have national security backgrounds about why they believe these is latest allegations about trump extorting the government of Ukraine for dirt on arrival may be an impeachable offense that really signaled that to the dam had burst when it comes comes to impeachment and it was really important to get her perspective just minutes after she left the caucus meeting with Nancy Pelosi finally we will hear part two of the crooked media a conversation with Samantha power former. US Ambassador to the UN if you haven't listened to part one of a conversation on positive America Monday John Fabric and I talked to San Dan Better new book what it's like to be a parent and national security her early days is like a cub reporter and Kosovo. Samantha is smart. She's funny. She's awesome. He was like like one of my favorite interviews. We've done and then the second part of it was just me and Samantha and we dug more into foreign policy issues. We talked about Syria. We talked about the use of force we've talked about what she learned over time and what it was like to be in the situation room meetings for the first time when you realize like shit these are the people that are actually going to make the decisions decisions that are. GonNa decide the course of US foreign policy so it was a really great conversation. I think you will love it before we get to the news. Just two quick things. I make sure you check out our brand. New podcast America dissected with Abdul El-Sayed of dual is a doctor and public health expert. He ran for governor actually in Michigan. He's going to cover issues like the Anti Vaccine Movement Mint. Why goop has such massive appeal in our healthcare system. Abdul is just the best he's smart. He's funny. He talks like a human being. You'RE GONNA love this show. I learned so much from the episodes I listened to already subscribed today to America dissect it with Abdul El-Sayed ed also Ben and I are going to do a live podcast at Jason's October Twenty Six national national conference in Washington DC. We'll talk with activists and policy leaders about the US Israel relationship and we're GonNa talk about as we all push for more diplomatic solutions to global problems unless militarism in the world go to Jay Street dot org slash pod save to get a ticket to join US promise you you'll have have a good time okay with that do Kelly maximum Kelly. Thanks for doing the show again. It's great to have you back. It's great to be back so let's start start with Ukraine so last week on the show. Ben and I talked about congressman. Adam shifts really stunning letter to the director of National Intelligence about this the illegal refusal all to Ford along a whistleblower complaint. Thanks to some great reporting by the Wall Street Journal and Washington Post. We now know that that whistleblower complaint that came from the Intelligence Community Eighty Discusses July twenty fifth phone call where president trump allegedly pressured the Ukrainian president of Vladimir's Alinsky to manufacture an investigation into Joe Biden Leiden and his son hunter the week before this call with Zelinski trump instructed his chief of staff Mick Mulvaney to freeze nearly four hundred million dollars in military aid for for Ukraine that was money that had been approved by Congress so on top of that the State Department has been setting up meetings for Rudy Giuliani trump's personal lawyer to pressure these Ukrainian officials vice president pence was over a meeting with Ukrainian officials in Pressuring Damn about corruption which obviously would be interpreted as crackdown on Biden trump personally cancelled or refuse to schedule several meetings with this brand new Ukrainian president as part of this racket so it's hard for me to imagine this this being more blatant just a quick reminder of the context year in March of two thousand Sixteen Joe Biden pressure the government of Ukraine to fire its top prosecutor the reason he did that that was because that prosecutor was not doing enough to fight corruption. The prosecutor himself was seen as corrupt and this was not just us who believe this. This was the view of the European allies allies Yarmuth the World Bank Biden wasn't just freelancing here like it was the consensus view of the US government. This guy had to go. It went through the standard. NFC Interagency process which means all the top people in government signed off on this. This wasn't something Biden did on his own. It was no secret the latest as of this recording time Congress just voted to release this whistleblower complaint to the intelligence committee trump says he's going to release an unredacted transcript descriptive Dolinsky the whistle blower might testify before the Intelligence Committee so Kelly. This is already exhausting. Let's pause there. Maybe you and I could do this. Step back here. How important do you think this money is an generally support from the United States for the crane well. I think it's very important the Ukrainians of course you know the Russians next Ukraine's Crimea region in March of two thousand fourteen and ever since then Ukrainians have I've been involved in a in a work basically a fight with the Russians for control of Ukraine and so this assistance security assistance it's mostly you know arms but also other financial assistance has been essential for Ukraine to be able to step up and push back on the Russian so is a big deal It's a big deal to the Ukrainians. This is no small amount of money. we're talking about about two hundred and fifty million dollars for the Pentagon program their security systems program. We're talking about one hundred forty million dollars and we call foreign military financing and big money Ukrainians so it's really important. I mean it's a huge dimension region of our foreign policy towards Russia right now. Frankly is to try to help Ukrainians push back so there's lots of angles of course the rush angle with trump there's also of course now the this new latest twist and turn any. I have to tell you as a as a national security former national security official official. I am just astonished that the President of the United States essentially is trying to bribe a foreign power our to look into a political opponent using the instruments of American foreign policy that is that is deeply profoundly wrong. I'm in it should be I think to everybody putting aside all of the Biden stuff for the corruption or whatnot. That's just the basics of what's going on here yeah and so that no my mind that opens the door for you know other countries to start investigating. Donald Trump's political opponents and try to find dirt to help president trump and that is hugely bad if if it's the Chinese or the Russians or the Philippines or whatnot trying trying to essentially bend their policies towards trump and using their law enforcement intelligence mechanism to go after American citizens at the President's Encouragement Regiment said this is this is profoundly bad from a national security perspective putting aside all the politics yeah so like the decision to send end this money to Ukraine sent arms to Ukraine is not an uncontroversial one right. I mean Obama actually opposed sending more arms to Ukraine several times his back when he was president this really upset people like John McCain and Lindsey Graham and so when I was reading that trump reportedly thought that sending more arms Ukraine crane was ultimately meaningless because we would never get them to military parody with the Russians but it would really piss off Putin. I was like okay. I understand that rationale. I I can see where he's coming from but frankly that made the ultimate decision to just green light all this money even more confusing thinks it's bad policy if we know he is this history every really never going against what Putin wants is Putin sure as hell doesn't want two hundred fifty million dollars worth of arms going from the US to Ukraine. The fact acted he would suddenly flip on this is weird. It's very weird. It's very weird and that you know he reportedly actually personally engaged. I with Mick Mulvaney at the put a hold on the money so this is all very strange and what's interesting. Is You know Senator Mitch McConnell Senator Graham. I am a number of other. Democratic senators addition to Republicans had basically push back on the White House hold. This is a bipartisan view that this assistance is essential for Ukraine and so for the president to singlehandedly reach down to the budget process especially the foreign assistance budget process that frankly he doesn't pay much attention to to suddenly insist on a whole being placed. I have lots of questions yeah me too. Kelly so. Let's talk about this transcript for a minute because look. I haven't worked in the White House since twenty when he thirteen but but back in the day when Obama would make a foreign leader call my memory of how it works is the White House Situation Room would basically route the call aw from wherever like the outgoing number two. Let's say the countries Ukraine through the sit room up to the oval or wherever the president was to take it and they were basically listen to the call and like type out a transcript that wasn't verbatim but was pretty close as fast as humanly possible. I don't know if that's still how they make. Transcripts these days in the White House and I never knew if we recorded the call or not I imagined in this case the folks in Ukraine are recording the call. If a caused going to Ukraine. I'm sure the Russians recording it through surreptitious means navy the Chinese navy the fresh like the list goes on and on but we what what's your sense like. Do you think that's that's how it still works and if so I mean will this transcript. Tell us everything we need to know while I. I hope that it still works that way. I mean as you recall the situation room. It put together that that that transcript and then of course it would go to what we call the sweet which is the National Security Adviser's Office for a review and said the National Security Advisor would get to review the transcript and make sure that everything everything was correct some hoping that process still exists I assume I'm so assuming it does given the nature of the whistleblower complaint. I do think that it's important to remember that a transcript it may not yield all the information and so. I think the the aspect of having the broader complaints from the whistleblower themselves themselves there could be additional things beyond this specific phone call fact there's actually two phone calls they made president trump two phone calls to his. Alinsky one on April twenty first an introductory call and then the July twenty fifth call so there's actually two calls at point out there so I think it's important all the transcripts of the engagements with the Ukrainians but also whatever the nature of this whistle blowers complaint is and I just want to say one other you know big thing stepping back the fact that we have a whistle blower. Thank thank God for them. Yeah truly you know that this person whoever it is is a hero in my view because they followed the rules. They went through the process. They didn't try to around the process. This is an Edward Snowden or or any of that. This is a true serious complaint that was validated by the Inspector General the intelligence community and they deserve a lot of credit and there's GonNa be a lot of pressure on them in the coming days and weeks yeah Kelly. I totally agree with you. The Congress needs to see this transcript. We need to see the whistleblower complaint but I also WanNa know what support the State Department provided to Rudy Giuliani as he's gone over to Ukraine to try to push for this investigation into the Biden family right. Mike Pompeo was on the Sunday shows this weekend and he's such a petulant asshole that he refused to talk about whether or not the.