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Eating Out: The food service industry must do better! Live audience podcast from FoodMattersLive 2019 at ExCel.
"And everyone welcome to a live recording. audiologist stay focused. We are really really delighted to be here. We want to talk about about eating out and restaurants and what the food industry could do to help people living with allergies feel safer and be. I looked after my name's Alice Rose Stink of me as you're kind of allergy for dummies person. I do not live with allergies but my role within vinnie allergy. To say podcast is ask the questions that the wider world needs to be awesome and need to understand. We do see this as quite an important element because it helps to really get under the skin. What needs to change people living with allergies so I put my co-host Quincy which lot since she's yourself? Hello yes I'm Quentin and how. I'm a broadcast engineer. And I've got allergies. Eggs fish nuts peas lentils asthma exper- so pretty common Had had the more life and I don't carry an Epi pen which later done we'll castigate before we we do on the POKONOS. Take me right. Yes we do polaroid. I am a blogger and the allergy dot com block. I was born with X.. MMA and peanut allergy. I'm now on a flight. Tick to dairy as well and we and soya and too many other things to mention so yeah I just want to raise awareness and help other people not to feel alone with their allergies images. Can we got such a fantastic tunnel with us today. So I'm going to let everyone introduce themselves as well. Should we start with you know everybody. I'm Natalie Neiman Iran that the website intolerant intolerant gaumont which was set up because of my liquidity joins mainstay. He has twenty eight severe allergies. Eight of which are under flexing. JC likes to keep sunol toes I like to say that it's not a learning curve. As more line that goes straight up as we fled still with what he requires to keep him well and safe and she sees today and we now advocate advocate for people with allergies and has live positively with allergies Lewis Doom and gloom when it comes to allergies no being able to do anything and actually we like to show the other side. Debbie callum an Iowa say the allergists a life changing but they should be life defiling. And that's what we will will it by on the daily basis. I found that really inspiring from from my perspective as a Momma's well. I just think that's incredible. Oakland really comforting. I think tonight that that is the way to positively so safety. Dan Keller is still in the founder of go call may contain and he's really trying to break the sigma of allergies making more reliable. The people without also without people feel to virus to speak about allergies take. My dog is really tackling that issue head on giving people confidence speaker allergies so I got nine now when I was five years old So I'm swell all notes on that off the back of that Algebra University which went viral than that that was kind of groundwork where sell the fog of Buckingham Dancing. Doing the amazing works if you follow him on inscribed or if that makes a look at what he's doing Lindsey Hi. I'm John D. I run on a blog called the allergy table. I started the blog because I have always felt alone. I was always at other table apart from my friends and I wasn't wasn't able to go to parties. I always had to get my own food and so I started the blog trying to make sure that to bring everyone with me on the table and to eat what we like to eat. And not have my allergies defined me in divine what friends I have A. I'm going to ask callum first of all what's the worst thing about having analogies you. I'm not sure where you go to parties and so on. Do you have to have special food. Is that a real pain to do well. We don't really mind if they have staff stuff the I'm not allowed 'cause I have a ton to what they have. So do you bring your own food to a poetry. Okay so you must make food for you very sensible. What's your favorite party faded? We're talking chocolate. Cake sweets like any old would say jelly. Please say Jelly in. What was it like for you? So you don't have allergies. Take it actually. I do as I found out for myself three years ago when I hired anaphylactic response to antihistamine of all things. The very thing that's meant to make you pay nearly took me so yes so to. Do you have a couple of allergies myself now but yeah. He keeps on our toes. I've had to go back to basics when it comes. I'm still learning to cook so everything you can possibly imagine. I was unable to take anything for him when he was first diagnosed. He stopped breathing on me. Eight weeks old when I was breastfeeding him so it was actually reacting severely things coming through my breast milk and then came three very severe allergic responses that we almost lost in on each occasion and then he was finally diagnosed at sixteen months but he was so badly coveted exponentially they do the skin prick test on the arms today right the number then pet these solution and then score it and see if that's response there but he was say covered an expert. They actually had to do on his back so I have to physically hold him to me while they the various different things they need to fax try and to find out what was going on and at that point we found out it was the twenty eight and then my husband said what are we gonNA do. Feed 'em Aaron Mortar. which point I said give me a month? Let me figure it out and I was one of those people was in the aisle cursing in every single supermarket. Trying to find something safe. I started with that. Let's write down all the things the ICON D. and actually it turns out being easier all the things that I could do because that wasn't that much eight years ago but now things getting much better. There's an awful lot more that we can do and and things to progress so much. There's so much you can do in terms of by reportedly with all the different things we can cook last night. She did the most amazing cake for us is she was texting me and this is going to be safe. Calvin I was really pleased because I actually yes it really is. This is amazing. And it's not what's bad as Sino. How does it make you when people put in like last night to make a cake the sun so the first time it happened I actually burst into tears because his column said pretty much every single party he got his T? He's not able to eat the food that I turned expect people to be able to case for him. That's a problem and asked to have to deal with it. I don't expect people to be having to do that. And the extra stress on them. That's for us today and they need more often than not. We'll go to policy and I will reprobate whatever there is that people making find out an advance make sure he has an almost identical kit so when friends went to a laser quest party wasn't a month today and the MOM said to me I've managed to get hold of one of their boxes G. You want to make his food. Hand me the food before we get that and then we take it out so it looks the same as everybody else. Well that's column meant the world because he didn't look any different. It was all inclusive. It was safe life for him and he looked the same as everybody else. And that's so important when your child from a mental perspective knowing that you're say different already has done touched on before and to be able to search you can still do everything. It isn't GonNa impact me in a negative way and I will continue doing what every other child dose as well means. The world is an experienced in the. You had growing up with all of your allergies that you wanted to be like everybody else. Yeah my mom did what you did always Pratt. Food's always had something in separate she used to cold say using a supply and then make what they had but for me which I never felt like I was off then but in school always separate table if they were doing cooking lessons anything like that even if I was able to eat they didn't when I take the risk and that was that was hard for me. I think this is an area of allergies. That really concerns. Me Is the stigma that guess associated with it and the rejection. You get all actually the bullying. That happens as well done. You've got experience of this. What I got? Donald analogy ten fifteen years ago. It wasn't really that dot com in and skills. I was like the only kid I never really experienced. Boy and I know very common now. Kids are kind of got social media social engage- as now maybe why eleven twelve was. When I was in school? Social media wasn't really social thing so I think now probably does happen. Allergies wasn't based the news about them whereas now our our concern in the forefront of the news so kids now probably will. Where are we speaking about that? You can make hyman and feed. You compare taking things out what happens when you go to restaurants how how I can I can send the change of okay okay. So let's let's put a pin more is the best thing the restaurants could change to make your lives easier being truthful Yeah the needs to be truthful. Say that they can actually do something they need to deliver. What they're saying so cross contamination? If they truly understand you need to action. You're you're saying it's no good coming out and saying Oh sorry forgot. You couldn't have the cheese this grace it into your Your Taito take it out back. Scrape awful cheese give it same title bacteria which happened to us before and I've had to pull out an EPI pen and go. Well you're GONNA cool nine nine nine then because that's what's going to happen go into it properly and it does. Let's make a huge difference. You have to go through a bit of the threat and a bit of St yet. When I've had to do that with a key and I worked with a lot of restaurants now a lot of them a fantastic? Absolutely talk to the guys. I work with their phenomenal but there are still a lot that are wanting this difficult situation. What still needs to be done? So why restaurants a few weeks back saying restaurant start that dialogue with the customer to ask. If anyone does have allergies on the table. You'd be surprised at the mountains restaurants. Don't ask the simple question. Is everyone out of allergies when the do really juices Zay with the customer with the OJ. So I think just like really simple things. Asking anyone's got allergies. Thank give them the option. Like which wants pizza the head chef or you hop speaking to the head chef by giving that customer the option I feel like you really reduces enzyme when someone gives you options. There's been times where I felt multiple speaking to the head. Chef when you speak to head chef kinda juices Zayed and then he kinda you understand whether they're gonna you say you always you always go with what you feel in as well so if you feel. I don't think that Russian seriously all the algae menu just won't eat that all defined as well. I don't know if you've had setting we've had the work I do. There are a lot chefs blessed mood in the best that they can do but we have everyone in the industry that when paltrow effect. So you have some fatty diet that comes on. It's an icon in between this time and that time so they're in the restaurant. Why can't have that gluten free? All the dairy free option please. The chef goes to the trouble of doing it. They go through the starter and the maintenance so blatant and dairy free and the does that. We'll pass. ooh That's nice someone somewhere that we can't have that is go on a diet doesn't matter I can have a but anyway that's done damage. I think to with allergies people. Who are pseudo allergic? allegic exactly is that trust in. You do see this in restaurants. Were you talk to the waitress. I've got analogy and immediate. You see the balloon after the ads saying now you haven't you just fighting and you end up with is six cents which has to save your life. Yeah and it does kick in. I'm sure everyone will say there. Is that gut instinct kicks in and you got your. I'm convinced about this until stopping on a few occasions I went to a the peace peace and one on sort of an allergy. So you didn't have an Algebra new. My was blowing out with like such big chain restaurants scattered around wounded knowledge menu for all the different dishes and then she saw Well I can speak to the head chef from the way she said it you kind of got an offer. She's not taking me allergies Sisley on you know what I'm going to be a US. Sean and she's a lot you won't tell you have to be I think if someone's going to take your life seriously you late. She put Newark in someone else's essentially so you you've always got go. You go view and if you feel about not going to say either husband had that as well so back at the beginning of the everyone knows he follows me how much this blew up on twitter but he walked into a restaurant and asked is to say the same many eight and they said No. You have to sign this first before you're allowed to see it and it was a disclaimer saying that they were not going to be and this is a national chain. We are not going to be held responsible. If something in happens you have to sign this before we leave and let you see them any. I can see recent NASCAR Tim. She's been going back to something. Somebody said earlier one thing that I find works really well with restaurants and when they completely turned it round quite serious allergies. I I completely you get it when chefs. Don't feel happy feeding man. I would much rather someone said no but when they turn it around and say okay what do you like what would you like and when I feel the most safe is qualified when a nine everywhere can do this. But they'll do something that's just a little bit different so that everybody knows staff that serving giving me me and the sheriff does this person that has a special diet is having something different. And it's more about looking at what I can have. The menu might not be great. But can we do something else that makes you feel really safe from from my perspective as someone who doesn't live with allergies and if you're a food establishment and you the food and you have a kitchen and you have shut who's trained. Why is it not? Why is it so difficult to come up with something which which people can eat in the attend understand? Just don't understand affect fresh. They can do it go. That's what we did we kind of. We sold the things that he can have as opposed to the things. He can't Cook Chill as nothing that you can do. Because it's pre prepared and there's it's nothing on site that they can go on any single so they are just quite often very manic. Very I have worked in a kitchen. It's noise very nice. Quiet civilized iced easy environment where you have complete control over. What is happening to each dish? I do this should not. If it's a taste and people are eating in it then they should be aware of this situation and she she should have protocol in death trap and go to knives that occur relating. It's a different allergens. The the main issue is kind of the high street restaurants. Sometimes if you pay more money and say to go to a restaurant is is going to be cost like fake. You're going to get that experience. And the most Seattle agreed with that. Some of the really small independence. They do really good jump as well. The ones that are kind of not always come to everybody else vaco often beyond. Yes what about you lindy where you found some really good experience to actually you you blow about the places that you ain't. Yeah I think as I've started my blog I've looked more into the restaurants and I've kind of looked at the allergy memories which weren't around around when I was a kid and I've discovered that the places I have been eating H- I have allergies to them or like a burger the button. We'll be may contain sesame and antitoxin successively. But I've been eating at my whole life but now I know I don't eat there anymore. I don't trust people enough tonight because I'm looking into it. I don't trust myself to know what's careful to know what's good for me so right now my list is really. ABC's home that contain. Yeah yeah it's really hard because Report report restaurants show with us which is the best this way. I think emails emails got lost like going on a recent reports on asperger's so honest Burger on the audit Burg and it was made by the Raven said debate that the The grave is been made notes and neither marinade the Bacon sinologist like mind blowing slight suicide. He told me that chats chats on the menu and on the Algebra news got notes as well as okay. I was like well I won't have Then not really induced my insight. Then so look. We're supposed to the chef coat suburban separate part the grill and then afterwards tweeted about this to make every hour for aware that this burger contains nuts. It wasn't on the main menu as well rely suit. Didn't say anything by marinated in not so ever so it wasn't even on the main menu wasn't asked Simpson teenagers. Don't even speak about allergy in a restaurant so much action so everyone aware twitter on honest Burger reply back saying By the way like Choas no no see an I was just like well. Why is your alley Algebra New Saints got all the stuff I spoke to the manager and two members and stuff that they also said? It's not saying then after having not around within the change the menu online on this I just really for straight and there should be getting this information right every second about what you said. It's about the truth. What happened with I mean wasn't it? Yes with Gary was guest. Rebecca declared that they had marinated in buttermilk sack. The theory that worries me. Is that these people that we hear about their thousands of us have a reaction wrestling. Go Go home and don't do anything report it. We maybe to significantly back to that place reporting restaurants that we think are not safe but he's not because has made don't have faith in the reporting system just the Food Standards Agency reported to do anything like lethality and the food standards agencies. They should be a combined wind force trying to determine what happened and get to the bottom of it and then forced training. I think looking again looking for the positive showing the what could happen. The future low with Dan Dan using twitter using social media to to make noise about ends make you more aware and by using glucose and everything. We can do that if people Powell is hate fleet change things for the better in future I I may go. Companies announced support in this says. Well there's some great companies out there that are doing. They can do training staff as well. The governor in order to check on a monthly or kind of quarterly basis to make sure people are actually delivering. What side say they are? They've got training programs in place that are online. So if you've got units that erupted down the country. You say we can't do it. We can't get to the training they can send them a link and visit to get them to do it as part of their PD equivalent. But how do we know as customers how well trained that restaurant is. It's very good point. And that she I'd like to see as far as five star rating. I think that should be something. That's incorporated in the future. That if you aren't GonNa get five stars you have to prove not just to have done the allerton module that the say of dump it actually go in depth and more into it becomes part of level free or even higher the feeds hygiene system. Yes I was in a chain of restaurants the other day where hadn't alleged experience and I went and talked to the staff and ask the detail what they do for training. I was disappointed but they said a lot. Training is a half hour course on line here on this box is how hard is it. Well just keep doing it until they get it right. Yeah that's not training training as well I've on and off smoking has up. HACCP so when you set up a fee company you have to have certain guidelines before you're allowed to even open up and be able to provide anything to the general public. If you want to get a good hygiene writing dating from issue the needs to be able to prefigure doing is putting jets closing checks. Creations have control and all the things you would expect basic stuff to be going on in commercial kitchen but there isn't anything that's kind of fully in-depth when it comes to allergens unless you go to specific companies like Stop Headline Novice Defeat and safety eighty. They have a massive amount of mation in terms of training modules. People really the only ones that I know about. And there's nothing else out there so if we could get something pushed to make it kind of a fundamental legislative change that would start to change things for the better in in the future the hygiene rates positive so said they were incorporated so you only get four stars and then she can previewed. Go Real G. Diligence when it comes to allergens to make it a five star and is that better than having a separate category for allergens wins so that you have a five-star allergy restaurants as well as I think it would be harder to implement is hard enough to get people to actually get five stars as is because you have to go through a lot of hoops to achieve it and I think if you start to incorporate a second scheme people can get on board with it as much Natasha's laws doing so much already to improve that in terms of In Pre prep foods and ingredients being used I think if we then see I- winslow coming into for restaurant amalgamating the to them and incorporating into that the five star rating I think would make a massive change so people familiar with Natasha's law which came about as a result of the pressure mon J yeah not listing. Their ingredients on food food was inverted. What's Owens Law? So winslow is what they're trying to implement the result of what happened to with Byron Burgers and do exactly the same thing when you're going into restaurants and cafes when you're eating in house to have all ingredients listed on many c have the same concept of being in control troll lifetime. Were saying it's so important for all of us out here to know what the ingredients So that we can make an informed decision. We don't want them to change their recipes. We don't want them to change the things. We just want to have honest communication so we can make an informed decision so the thing that bugs me is what I call the book of Shame. We all know we've been into a restaurant and they say we'll give you the allergy book and you get. This dog hits ring binder with bits of paper and everybody's nodding in the audience. And you chase chase down one hundred and forty four dishes that they serve and they just tell you this is a this my exit the dantely which bit so waits for me. It's a very poor experience. Yeah I'd like to see that as a much richer experience a great but then that means dumping the entire ingredients regents list onto into a folder or onto a device or somehow or just having a symbol so when he half your There are some starting to do this now. Accomplished the top of my head. Who but on your menus you literally just have a tiny symbol that you know what the key code is and it will print next to it? What is the do numbers knows well Eh? One forces an annual food will won't say it means it's host what it is like times. They can be confusing. Sometimes they mean it contains that sometimes they mean making is free from. That was the coffee so small phone as well. That's why I think having the symbol itself and that stamp of this is what it contains is going to be better than it does left menu then menus so if you haven't on the line surface on that nine and you just have both stamps any tiny tiny but it's enough isn't that I think book needs to happen is a ditch revolution of ingredients in how that listed which brings me onto apps. Because I know there's of new APPs on the mark I mean Quinton you haven't experienced wasn't it wasn't an allergy gap. It was an audio feeds though so so much that experience in the in the food chain that went to It had an ordering APP way. You didn't need to speak to a waiter fantastic audio food and magically derives but actually actually that cuts out the compensation that you would normally have about. Can you tell me whether this exit took and I had an allergic reaction because I haven't checked the APP simply prompted. You won't rally list. You can find it and I was scrolling through my own one hundred and forty four pages of PDF trying to ingredient pointless at this. Then I discovered that there are APPs. There's a thing called green on the INAP- and more recently something called dying pilots which reverses the process that takes all the ingredients agreements that restaurant users matches against your own profile. And tells you what you can eat on the menu so it doesn't show you things you can't now that's an enormous is improvement because your experience of dining is not one of all your friends waiting for you to go through one hundred forty four pages and instead allows you to order in a in a in an anatomy way like everybody else. Have you used these. I've never used it. I think it's good for probably younger people. So I- teenagers who you like said don't speak about algae restaurant so I think for young person probably Milwaukee smartphones savvy would probably use me me. I much prefer to speak in someone directly are they kind of you get to assemble. You do feel like I don't think there's no some I'm GONNA go out a way to download load out the minute. Maybe it's about trust and risk again if you rely on an APP you're absolutely completely relying on all the back end side. Take the person whose input Information Schumer era for my experience of using them quite often it will. It will appear that. I can't have anything because of the way it's filled in but if you say that bill so no. I can't have the steak because it Scott saw spy can have two thousand dollars for the APP. Tell me that you'll must need every element of the meal. The Mash sit in the mash. What's in the cauliflower? Sit canape you can have nothing. You still like Dan says you need to have a conversation on those short George about the upside and many of them about. Ub shelves me like you. Sport my out. But I'm a bit like I will never support me. I don't use myself one of those one of the once. We have to sign a disclaimer before we were allowed to say anything so I'm very devious about absent minded positive I'm all about postive but it's no take the maidment. They just need a couple of years to sort of what the didn't really human but then he did have kids at my stroke. When you were shopping it can give you all the things that you need but discounting on a barcode and that is very? Oh today that's been written by consultants. They truly get the difficulty so just totally through what that does. I'm not familiar with my strife. If my straight you set up your profile it's been created by pediatric consultants Dietitians Dietitians within the algae arena. And you can go into supermarkets discount anything and tell you according to your price to your the one in control whether it's safer. Yeah I wanted to know who we we think he's really good. Who is an I might start with? Callum actually wear. Your favorite restaurant is so why you like it so much. I'M GONNA go with Pete to express on my favorites too short. So why do you like Pizza Express can do stay safe stuff me and I'm really nice. Do you like them enough. That you could go in just with your friends without your mom and you know you'd be safe Nelya so we go every ask his best day since he was too. It's become a family tradition. The one place we can go without even having any consensus we will can. He can have a starter. Bearing in mind the twenty allergists we mentioned at the beginning. A starter a main and pudding identical to everybody else's without issue without consent and I just breathe a sigh of relief. It must be so there. Isn't that where else I can say. The ones that were pioneering in the change I think it was about five six years ago. One of our friends. David was instrumental in pushing it. Because he's a senior. They actually used safe flower tentative and every single one of their outlets so all the stuff that you see when they're rolling out there does gluten-free. Just every other restaurant in the country needs to do that and then we'll be essentially what about dad. Where's your favorite place a I'll have to say up front. Ben was amazing. All depends on you get so I ordered the food and I've seen before so knew that he was safe me. Algae on the Montijo the amazing and he kind of took five minutes days. Go through the whole our life times. I never really was so house or one of my friends. Got Membership there on those. Is anyone gotten the allergies on the table on Said Gossiping then straight here like to mention given the option speech the head chef whether he felt Me Speaking to him. He said everything on the menu is free on a when even desert. Yeah so we all did about four different obsolete tracy. I've never experienced before. Have you seen was not very. I couldn't believe it allows I. I'm are you sure he's like the puddings because everyone will get on. This fruit is not a pudding when it comes to allergies right. Sure that was no free info solid What about your experience? Your best experience and I think it's very different depending on who. You are allergies energies. You have because I can have dairy have eaten so for me. Gluten Free Vegan. Things I run scared from so for me. Byron is actually my my biggest advocate. They're always so lovely. I talked to the manager every time they asked me. Do you have any allergies before order but my main one and it's been this way for a long time is japodlay which is a Mexican fast food but fresh food and they have no nuts no shellfish Samedi in every single restaurant so I feel completely safe completely like the server will bring in nuts or anything anything like that and they use gloves off to change them when they take my food like. Yeah and you can see all of the food there so you know. There's no cost information identing. I don't think I've ever been asked up front if I got allergies and I've gone to the right places but I don't remember The way to Rome asking upfront. It's new though starting to combat it's new so this is really Cincinnati Tasha since Karen but Byron Burgers interesting because they have changed. I think much more aware than they used to be. And they're very alerts to what they need to be careful of now. It's taken a really difficult situation together. Ebba credit teeth and they are starting to turn things around for the better and do you think that as a result of that they've set bal this similar restaurants now having to compete with I'd say nothing is the same with practice well credit spread. They've completely the way they do things rolling out the labeling people are fully aware of what's going on as well and it's awful that we've had to go through the situations that we haven't got but none of us on this or anyone else in the audience will ever have to go through that but it's encouraging to see that when things happen they are they take it on the Chin what we are completely changed this and welcome people back into prove how much they changed in a confident in the way that they've changed things to make it for the better as well. How do you feel about the future chance on? Do you feel positive. Do you feel like things are changing. Enough votes. Motivation do is headed in the right direction. Russellville is a massive way to go from restaurants so starting dialogue with the cushman asking that the God -nology making sure that the our educate about food dollars you find the social massive turnaround in restaurants is very arctic. com- completely educate the new staff. So sometimes it all depends on you and if they understand how severe urology adjacent all the time the volume. The House allergies if they've got family member or friend with a severe allergy so she went pizza chain in copper on very very algae straight waves like the copy of the fourth of his all. My best friend's gone allergy and e likable chats with safe. Why I do think is more of an educational piece of restaurants making sure that kind of procedure in place so the educate everyone about this is about what to do? Someone just reaction on the premise on when you compare it to the airline industry. Say there's a plane crash the shed hastily. We've all the different airlines. And that's why plains question is so small and light as a restaurant needs to be sharing all this information with the restaurants or the other we in the allergy world. Those of us. Who Live with allergies are we coordinated enough to make this campaign work? Yeah I think there's enough loud voices that want to see positive change for it to happen and things I'd say definitely have improved at least in the last five years certainly since when Callum was first diagnosed it felt like a very scary time. We never clues this black void one Earth Day with the world's food law that was passed in twenty fourteen and that has made a big difference. It was hard for everyone to get on board absolutely. It did make a difference but I think the awareness of allergies. This is well. It's not seen as little demon gleam anymore. People actually go out to. They want to support and help as much as possible. And I think that shift is coming hours and now so much in the forefront of the news on the wall the Oscar vary quite negative. Or someone's like died on me that really increases my as I think it's finding the right balance positive things which the Robin conceal negative. 'cause when I read all these obstacles if I read algae's every day like my anxiety does that so it's kind of finding the right balance. What do you do when you go broad? So I've always use google translate so when I go abroad of the main things. Educate your friends friends. Make sure you I also jets which adrenaline so alleged Russian swells up Capri Godmanis adrenaline issue. That she even get the hospital well for me. I used Google translate in restaurants sometimes veterans seriously. Sometimes the heaven on I think definitely Abroa- Raj got the vote of the UK. I'm really communicate clearly. How Sabih several years after the UK? Very good for that. They're very web allergies ages. But when you go to places like Greece example the might not be as educated by algae. So you've got the mobile about the UK. Hi It's what he got all inclusive so we went to Turkey last summer. And I was very nervous about it because I'm flipping french-speakers goes some of them are. I can speak the language without issue because I can get across the severity but actually ran Turkey. For a week and we were able to confidently get callum. Fed took back up but he was fed by them the entire entire week without issue because customer service manager or the equivalent. He came in them. Talk to us that we arrived. Some are transfer. We didn't get there till midnight sat down at midnight. Said what can we do tomorrow. Lunchtime breakfast we can't but from then on we will deliver everything you require. Tell us what he can have even down to the Callum Colonie have oatmeal they actually physically went out and bought specific safe milk for Callum aside from everything that normally have in the hotel because they wanted to give them the best experience possible so as Dan. I said it definitely can't be done but I do another issues with is at the moment I would take four with you. As opposed to two so that you've got that double backup. Just in case anything happens I love the way the Clintons also nodding along with me even coming on and talking about the airline industry and it's interesting trusting when you read twitter and instagram that the experience people have on United States headlines seems to be very different over here. They still seem to be insistent on serving nuts. I think our airlines biological with peanuts on board why we have American allies. They refuse to do the announcement so I got the is. I've got severe allergies. May made them before on a shy. We'd be with me on. I didn't realize that she was the head stew. I didn't think she's so seriously so I spoke to move a member of south of like he made sure that she just the announcement anyway. She's combat. We're not doing an announcement on away will wash. Josh went well now policies so then she got policies waving hosting my face and I was like this is an absolute joke by Wyche. How're you doing? Because they know some business. We wasn't business-class book. She was some of the end of the PLANO ALLERGIES AB on on. I mean I went head to head with an. She was not backing down. She will say too. I think that was your kids on that. They've gotten allergy. How would you feel and she just wants? Not just maybe four grand. That's that seems to be quite the happens all the time. I can aligns threatened to kick me off until I talked to the pilot. I I I come from an enforcement background food safety officer. It's an area that obviously is very topical at the moment from an enforcement of what to do about excetera. I notice the restaurants. You talk about You know your big highstreet brands but the people who are really struggling I guess where where there's a higher risk of these the independence that may not have access to the technical expertise and the level of training that is needed unfamiliar enforcement points of view. Would you be happy. What would you rather enforcement officers going in and say businesses? Listen you cannot. You don't have the facilities. The training and the expertise to be able to serve people with allergies so in effect. You basically telling them that they cannot. I would come back to Natalie's point it's no different different from food safety you in false hygiene and it seems to me. What's the difference allergies? Kill people hygiene can kill people. So let's let's get birthright and if you don't WanNa do that will be in the food industry. I'm more than happy for a restaurant. Say to me you play. That's fine with me it sometimes. It hurts in the way they do it very nice but I much rather know that this place perhaps say like takeaways for instance. Just don't go there. Yeah it's particularly because you're the eliciting dose being so low for a lot of allergy sufferers. Talk about a fraction of an egg white potentially causing in a reaction. You know you really need separate equipment and so on in some businesses small independent. Don't have the facilities Tis to to be able to reach that reach that level. So you know. Is it reasonable for them to say it like precautionary allergy labeling that we can tell you. What's in our IT products? But we don't have. We have what I don't like being patronized what I like being streets with intelligence. But it's down to how we started this podcast. It's about truth and honesty and as long as they're only about capability you can make a judgment. I think that's probably the same for all of us as the grades and I I think. That's a a brilliant nice to end so thank you everybody for joining us to say thank you to our panelists. Thank you for coming and listening to the allergy today. podcast you tell your friends friends about it do rate it and give it five stars thoughts how we get this information out there and improve the lives of everybody. You've got allergies. Thank you trusted Langlands as well and Brian Lewis from food masses. Live in the meantime. 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Love Island USA Season 2 | September 15 Recap
"If, you're looking for. Well you John's. Because Jerry. And Scou-. Wafting. Men that they cast on this show are truly disgrace. So we'd all care about the love and my me air. We just wanted to see the drama. Hello everyone, and welcome back to our love island recap I'm your host Hurson McGinnis as always. I am joined by my wonderful co host Brian scally to break down the. Bananas, week we've had so far skelly. How's it going? Oh I am good. Excited to talk about the finale of Casa. Finally after they made us wait. which feels like a month and a half ago without much has happened since then I don't think any of the couples are the same as they were two days ago. But you know I am doing good excited to be talking about this batch. Yeah. This was a big one. We definitely scheduled this week. Wrong. That's on us, but they scheduled this week raw. Okay Yeah it's their fault not us. League why couldn't the country music stuff have been Tuesday? Whatever it's fine. We are joined for this jam-packed episodes by a great guest. You have heard her on a bunch of big brother podcasts so far and she has her own youtube channel so. Subscribe. Everybody. Chantal Francis How's it going? Hello Hello Oh my God. I'm so excited to be talking about love. Island I've just been obsessed with show I, watch all the UK versions and I was nonplus about the season. One of the US but season two has been like it's been making my summer of two, thousand, twenty knocking. Yeah this I think we've been raving this whole time about how the casting is just right this year the twists have been a bit better. It's just a a nice breath of fresh air compared to everything else on. CBS Right now. lutely absolutely, and so you've watched all the UK have you watched Australian Love Island before I have I have that's our like. Black hold knowledge and SPA everything's go. I mean I don't specifically remember it but like I watched it when it was on air. A little bit of the gossip of the winning couple i. what happened after the Fad came? Inch and then we will message you because. Normally I watch the UK seasons like well after scally does and then when I'm done, he gives me all of the dirt and the gossip and everything that happened. So I'll be looking to you for that for the Australian. I can do agree watch. Content so enjoyable that like I don't really get sick of it. So I could maybe do it with you and we can kind of chat about it seemed time. I would love that Oh my God. Okay. Perfect cell. US violent. Basically they stopped on Friday. Saying. It's time to couple from Casa more and then. Left us in the Lurch I think they showed some stuff in the Saturday recap but. I didn't watch it because again, we all serve a day off. But I think honestly. It should just just go with like. What couples are I think like I don't even think it's Worth and it's kind of like how it started Blake night. Sunday epic Sunday episode that two our special which they need to stop doing that. Like. I. Know back I needed Jason Lee site, they need to more warning basically. I was thinking like it has two hours too much that was going on that needs to be resolved. So we just had an. Expectation of being two hours. So I just went in thinking. You're not gonNA catch me complaining about a coherent storyline on CBS right now. So I'm happy that I you know actually see what happened here rather than what they decided was easier to edit into episode. So I am excited there was I know we want to jump into who the couples are. You know at this point but I feel like they did some editing tricks and turn twist and everything was I was on the edge of my couch watching who was coming back from La vie one on. The way they show it is it is the women choosing who they want to be in a couple with The woman stays whether they want to stick with their old couple or choose one of the new boys, and then after they make their decision, their prior your. Partner comes in and you find out if they also waited or if they have come in with someone else. So. I M Moyer picked we all knew she was going to pick Aaron they've been making cake or whatever. and. So they're sitting down and then Calvin comes back in with share I think we all kind of that one coming. The boy. Apparently. She picked someone else also darling know how upset she's allowed to be. Allowed to be or is a different thing because he is pretty upset? It seems I. Think it's because share as so damn hot that life maybe surprise by him having enough game to be able to snag that haughty. Surprised and. I can. Leave me she wanted to ease your way into the villa you know. Could see it. So. Let me get cured in. She's like you know what I'm GonNA, make statement. I'm going to Carrington his specifically told me he is not interested in being with me, but I'm just GonNa wait. It's fine. And then they'd producers do the meanest thing I've ever seen would just have. Carrington. Walked down the stairs by himself a Lux. Yes. It looks like he's alone and then he turned does. Come. Here motion with his hand and. moral comes down the stairs. I can't even believe that we just saw this on TV. When he walked down alone, my jaw was on the floor and then he does the little like hand wave and my jaw broke through the floor I'm invoicing. Errors. It was so shocking and it was. First of all that it was not Mercedes because I had no trust in Carrington's choices. Also that like they would pull that stunt on us. It was so shady but I love. So I was all for. Well I do need to I was wondering whether or not. Both Carrington and producers might have assumed that cures him was going to pick somebody because that's like a new level of cruelty that he's going to be doing now someone that's like waiting by herself for him. So I think that producers knew what was going to happen. But Carrington, as he said really thought that she would pick someone since they were not together anymore. I yeah. We had a question of someone asking like, do you think production had this idea or Carrington had this idea of coming down the stairs alone? and. Know, I think Dodson I don't think he's carrying. Like thought to be that mean about you know what I mean like. I, feel like they're like time like Okay Carrington go on the headset and like Okay Laurel go you know what I mean like sending them off at certain timing. So I think that they had that timed out. An Evil? Genius. Carrington is only one of those things and it's Really, upset with Kirstin because like I. Really felt that she didn't allow one of the guys that she was getting a went that was in the villa with them for this whole these few days like tuna maybe find love. So I thought it was a little bit a little bit selfish maybe on Carson for not choosing to partner up with friends. Yeah. I I just don't know what was going through her head I. Think she thought. That waiting by herself was like a grand romantic gesture on that Carrington would see that she did not pick a man and he was suddenly going to. Fall in love with her want to be with her because she made the ultimate sacrifice. I think the what was going through her head like Oh if I do this he will follow in love with me, which is just so. I was thinking more so that she wanted people feel sorry for her and that she was using a little bit of like weird emotional manipulation here because it's like Oh my God pork Hairston like Carrington. So mean you know it could be bone actually. See. Yeah I feel like it was. A genuine thing I don't feel like she owes it to anyone to pick them for sure I. Do feel like probably when you're in the point where it's like my journey's over one, give it to someone else. But you remember we also had Jalen being like you should do what your heart wants and I agree you should stand there by yourself and I'm kind of now re contextualising that and wondering was Jalen saying like, yeah you don't need these guys because as soon as I can ditch McKenzie I'm Comin' straight for you. So maybe that was the intention there might be onto something. that. Oh God. That's say, Gee, got into the villa and then he knew I needed somebody else open. Let's make sure ten does not end up with anyone else. Here's my ticket didn't work out that way but. Goodness Gracious. That's so much. We get at least a positive moment. Justin chooses to stay with Caleb Caleb comes in and he has already chosen to stay with her they reunite. It's really cute. I don't know if I could stand a couple harder at this point. I cried nothing ally I cried. Does something about the story that she's telling never being being chosen and like you know she just wants to be the. Gay. And you know knowing that he's GonNa, make her feel. So happy like regardless of whether I believe that they might make it in the real world without moment that he gave her when just so kind and like it was such a boost for herself confidence that. I thought it was really really special and moving so I did cry and I'm crying now. So exactly might shed like tear but it was like you said, it was for that moment where like Justin said, like she had never been someone's first choice in the villa and like she was just hoping that it came through and we got a little bit of a scare there but seeming Kayla reunite and even you know just almost as much as that. You have like her and sally like holding hands and jumping up and down together and I've been waiting for this season's bromance to pop up. But I think that just in and Selley RV friendship of the season I am obsessed with them. I don't care about the relationships in terms of what happens outside of the villa just don't let Justin and selling not become friends because I'll be devastated I need them more scenes with them a big big fan. Hundred percent like they are definitely the golden gem of the season. I love watching their interactions like if you remember the holy water seen because. They're just so cute and they're get along so well and they were kind of in a similar situation with their men and. I love him to. Them on the amazing race I'm ready when it comes back. Exactly. Tells Chapter. We need, hell. Yes. So I guess we'll jump the other half of the most important relationship of the season Sally. Also chooses to say with Johnny Johnny also has chosen to come back to her. and She Amelia's like. While did you like kiss anyone outside of challenges? He's leg. I don't even feel like it was like in an accusatory way at all. It was just like, oh. My God. I'm so happy I was nervous like maybe you'd be kissing someone outside of challenges like. About that. Like we'll add so. It was not as as happy as sally was for their reunion. I could not fully be as happy as they were but you know feeling for my girl sally here in this couple episodes just really mad at Johnny still, and I will continue to be mad at him. For the foreseeable future actually he's an auditorium back my trust love and affection. Absolutely but I. Thought though Ariel was more moved I've felt by selley and Giannis recoupling than she was bigest. Thought that was interesting. I just think that. They have just been so much more established that it felt like. A given that they should be together and like that they had been kept apart was such a problem and you know she's privy to the vote where America said that they are like the most compatible couple by percents. I do think that that plays into it of production being like Oh, Johnny and Sally. Production that's done. That's over there still together. But we actually will be standing Caleb and Justin until the end depending you descend. Tears of joy she might been like Oh sally what you're about to find out I feel so bad for you. Maybe. They were different reason for. It. And even still like you said, she's privy to the vote I feel like Johnny and Sally were a very popular couple and hey, you had Justin Caleb as the pre-game to this you know real postgame of sally and Johnny. So Loosened the metaphorical jar on those tiers. So yeah you're a couple more tears on the second time out there. can't relate. Then we get like the real drama moment. Mackenzie chooses to couple of Jalen, and connor comes back alone with McKenzie's childhood teddy bear guys and. I just I can't find it in my heart to feel bad for him. Like oh poor connor o connors top ten man in the world. Oh. I saw I saw that comment though one set. So I knew I there's name and number because I just want to talk. In the bill. So. Much. But you'll like this moment was really curate and to make people feel bad for him and feel like he's just the victim and all of this and he stayed true and Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. No, no one castle more liked him. So he came back for Mackenzie and then she had found someone else like. I just am not willing to accept. He is a victim in the situation they are both. Toxic as all hell. They're both perpetrators and victims. Sure and he doesn't have to be a victim but like. You know it was him all week like all like me sleepy like me Mr Goslett. We're all excited and well I. Am not saying Connor a victim or that I am devastated for Connor in this moment I had like an awkward sympathy where like I know how bad this would be if I was no matter what the precursor to this was, and as I've said, connor is not doing good things but sometimes I feel like connor might not be aware that he's not doing them which doesn't mean that we should excuse them but might make me feel a little bit worse about about him in general as Electra abundance says and season two of Poe's I never feel bad for a man. I. Pushed Gus in his hands and like. No honor. But he does say that he felt hurt and taken advantage of and I actually didn't agree with that because I feel that he was making all these choices. In, keep meet them. He said that he wanted to be in a with with Mackenzie like he asked to be girlfriend. He took it back. Of course, he's done all these things make her kind of believe there was something more going on between them, and so the fact that the fell hurting ticket advantage of I think he took advantage of themselves like he actually wasn't being true to himself the whole time, and so the fact that she realized that she didn't want him to wasn't feeling it anymore. I think that that's what he's four hundred but I was kind of annoyed by. that he was kind of like putting on her in that sense when the everybody knows that they're not actually compatible, even him yet one nothing like everyone all through this week I've seen so many tweets about how it's all on Mackenzie and Mackenzie did this to him and like she's the only bad guy like this whole relationship we have clogged it is a toxic relationship. They should absolutely not be together, but it's not a situation where one person has done everything. Wrong and the other person is a perfect angel. And so I just don't like that narrative that seems to have been really pushed this week and like yeah, he's allowed to be hurt. I think that Mackenzie put it really well when she's like yeah, just. Even though I'm not feeling it a that, it's over because it was like a real thing and that's fair and understandable but they don't need to be putting on each other that someone did something wrong we get a it's been three weeks. and. What I was GonNa say is even like we're about to get into where like they split off and go talk and like all of the guys are like, how could she ever do this like? I don't even recognize her and Mackenzie says like why when they were saying to him like move on from her break up with her you're not compatible and then she does what? They wanted him to do and she's the villain and it's like, no, you guys have been encouraging them to split for so long and like, yeah connor like he said, even to the guys like he did not meet anyone in Casa more but he was open. He was fully willing to do what Mackenzie did and just because she got their first, they're all mad blake now. One hundred percent I enjoyed her when she was getting known Jalen. Up until that point like I liked her a little bit of Bantu that she was having like he was Kinda flirty she just seemed like a real personal I liked her in the villa wasn't like everything bad happened Mackenzie like enjoying her being there and exploring that relationship and so no matter what I was hundred percent, all four, her picking Jalen, and I thought she was doing it for herself. I thought the person that she was was real and genuine, and so I was thumbs up for the her deciding to leave connor, the toxic relationship that was and move on to somebody that allowed her to be better and more fun and more likable. No. Hell Yeah Hell. Yeah Hell? Yeah. So then there's girl talk in boy talk about like the Carrington, Curzon situation and Carrington's like, yeah I, feel bad for her like we're not gonNa work which obviously and then the girls are talking about how mean Carrington's speech was that was condescending. And sounds like I'm so happy with what I did. But like now I feel humiliated I'm like then are you happy with what you did? What are you talking about? Yeah I do feel like this was a little I. Wonder if they didn't show everything or but like you gotta feel like if he took more jabs, they would've shown them I don't feel like he was the most gentle. But I do think that it was a little bit of them talking like Oh. Yeah. Like it could have been done like easier but ultimately, I just feel like there's no way we're standing up there alone that it's going to feel like. He handled it well necessarily and I'm assuming that he decided what he was going to say before he realized that she wasn't going to be standing with somebody else and so he probably practiced in planned exactly what it speech was going to be, and then she standing there alone and now it's kind of like a I was gonna say all these things about like the new girl that I'm seeing because I thought she was going to be with somebody else and so I think that that might be why have come up and it's harsh is because she was standing there alone. That's a great call. I just can't imagine being like. I'm humiliated, but I'm happy about my decision. I don't know but maybe that's just me. Support for this podcast from cdw in Dell Technologies. cdw Gee we get the migrating agency to a hyper converged infrastructure is challenging. Got To want to do it but got to do it slowdown friend. 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I didn't even give any of these guys a chance because I knew I wanted to be with you. Why would you do this? And he's like, why new that I want you and she's like, why did you? It's just like such a circular conversation of why Johnny, why did you do this? Tronto would you think of this? Okay. I I've been trying to be on Johnny side a little bit like delaying. Okay. Using Castle more like you know I felt as though Mackenzie. Sorry. Mercedes. Coming on really strong and he did put up some barriers in. And you kind of know buys gives them nobody was in the beginning and insults me that she was a little bit predatory in how she was really kind of going for him. But now since I've seen her do some interviews and she was going to sing it was the opposite and so it's kind of skewing me thinking about what was going on here and so it's kind of been leaving the bills been saying that he's been playing a game and that. You know he he was targeting Mercedes to be someone that he wanted to explore things with I am worried that he wanted cake and eat it too and he wasn't really thinking of selling because he was just thinking with his twenty two year old Vero cell about this hot woman that's kind of ready to make out with them and he'll deal with sally later he knows what to say and they're already strong couple leaker probably still win in the end so. I saw an article where Mercedes was like after the season is going to be in my DM's and I was on. No I mean I don't think it's wrong though. It's not impossible like I, feel like with Johnny and Sally. They have the type of relationship where if you told me that they were going to get married and be happy forever. I'd be like, okay, and if you told me that you. Like two months, they're going to have an explosive break-up and he's going to go hook up with Mercedes I'd be like, okay. Yeah. I, I, believe that. Any and all options are on the table for this couple I don't think they're locked into anyone path. If Selley watches one episode of Casa Amore, they're not ending up together I mean blatantly he was like Oh yeah. So like we kissed you guys made out and like rolled around on the Kelly, this was not like an innocent Catholic that did not happen I. Don't know why the first conversation it should have been like selley like Okay Laurel share. Let's go to hear what happened over there because Johnny Lake and she talks about later like, Oh, I, actually trust him more now because it was the first thing he took like, yeah he came back with six witnesses. What was he supposed to do? He had to tell you like Someone was going to spell like. Come on Selley I get it. This doesn't have like all the information and so like that's unfortunate but I just can't see where she is like okay. With this because from what we've seen it, she looked like you know that upset and had a very played down version of the story already. I. Think that maybe if they want to make it work, she shouldn't watch like what happens over. You think of like the Bachelor and the Bachelorette, the the winner doesn't watch necessarily the whole season because they don't want to see their now partner making out with different people throughout the all the episodes. So I would imagine maybe that would be like, let's not watch this zone or will break up. And I feel like the minute Johnny's like, Hey, maybe we shouldn't watch cost more than her curiosity. We'll just go into overdrive and she'd be like, did they like fully have intercourse like why can't I watch it? More like just teams going to watch it and send it right to sell. So like it's GonNa Happen. So it does look as the Mercedes is coming onto him and so yes, the bed scene that was that's a little bit different and like the kiss after the whole. Competition was over a little bit different but I don't even think thousand bad. It's like when you see Mercedes, like riding and moving her hand and leg levy you up with my mouth just like she was being very aggressive and so he might be able to rationalize like well, I can understand like she was coming on strong. Literally would be him being like, yeah. No. I want to go back to sally and then she'd be like I don't WanNa, hear Sally's name again like. So I can see how it could be rationalized. I do still think that Johnny and adult man with agency over his body and. He it's not like this was done to him. He was an active participant so I could see some issues should she watch the show but I can also see how she would rationalize it and maybe stay with him for longer than she would otherwise I I don't know. If he wants to say, she kissed him and he did not kiss her back you have like half a second to jump off 'cause not a forty five minute. Make out session I'm like it's not how it goes. said it was a full willing participant in this the yes. Mercedes aggressive but Mercedes a single she's allowed to be aggressive Johnny. If he wants to be single can be single and Ken go make out with persuades all he wants for care and if you have an agreement where he can do that also cool I don't care. But at the point where like she is upset about it like that's what happened. Case of what you think is excuse is GonNa be when Sally Lodges Cost Them where do you think he's going to be like I fell or? Like onto her mouth yeah. I fell onto her album out just happened. Already either have the fifty thousand or not have the fifty thousand by then so I don't know. Really. The final issue and he. Decides to keep the bunny ears. My. I'm sorry if he chose to keep the money and they were at the end. I. would be cyberbullying him until the time. I try. I try to be nice and good online as my. If anyone falls they might find that hard to believe but I am mostly Nice I I keep a lot of things inside that I don't actually say 'cause they're actually mean. I would cyberbullying Johnny stole the money from Sally at the end I think America would cyber play him. It's not like it's true like that's would be so wrong. Sowetan like I would already be mad that Ceylan, just didn't win and then for him to take. If they. Sell. He was like, I'm taking all the money because you cheated on me on Casa more I'd be like girl get. You're feeling that. But if he like goes after Mercedes like more and then took all of the money Oh, he will be so far past canceled I can't even tell you. I don't know. It's a sticky situation there. Definitely sticky. Yang. So we get Caleb Johnny talking about and I regret it and Caleb is like you gotta become the rain. Now the stove is hot like you will get burned. You need to just give her some space and some time to think which I think is a very good advice in this moment I feel like killing has really good advice. I'M GONNA. Because he's Aquarius like me and. I definitely give it a lot of great advice. So I think that's why that's scouting me both have Aquarius rising. ooh Great. What you're you're libra cracked. Doesn't know. I'm double Saj with Aquarius. Pre Philosophical. Love I like fully no scariest chart and he's like, Oh, I'm Aquarius. Diamond. Literally when I if I am friends with you and I don't have your birth date time and location and your full chart, we're not real friends. I WanNa know that information I wanNA see your chart I wanna pull the bond on pattern to see what our friendship is like and what's good and bad about it like it's important to me, and if you're going to be my friend, you have to understand that until scalise like, yeah this is all fake and I don't believe it but yes, it's my birthday time and location. With person being friends with Kirsten her telling you to download the coast are up over and over and deleted so that she can look at your horoscope everyday. Hey don't worry I gave up on that I don't use coast anymore I use the pattern and on the pattern you can out of there without them even having an account guess what skelly. I. Review Brian I have been studying. Intensely astrology since. Especially since Kobe started and so I've actually pretty down the rabbit hole enough that I've been doing readings for astrology. Last, couple of weeks. So I, in there I purchased the Astro. Gold you know what I mean He. Shantelle. I like literally for the past several weeks I've been like googling. Like. Astrology reading. About to pay three hundred dollars for reading and then I'm like. Done. Figure it out like. Wait Kate we'll talk about. What's what you sign? I assuming that's my main science. I'm a cap. With, a cancer moon, could you believe oh? Hey, we're. We all actually are intertwined blinded the exact same makeup as me so I've Aquarius son but I am a capricorn mood and a cancer rising. So we actually are very similar with just the elementary like our our major major signs Martin for us. To me just makes me like you'll even closer to. Both Kelly is one of my best friends like now. GonNa be on. It's the astrology for me. But it makes. You makes me think you're funny to be fair. We have. Uh. Humor. Very go you know. How e I go my God what a moment? What else do we get? Oh, there's like. Celje Maura are talking more is like my heart's it with Aaron and it's like it's been two minutes. The start of a real I was pretty neutral on Mora but a real downturn for Moyer for me this week clocked a lot of things where I did not love them from what I saw from her I just can't imagine paying close enough attention to more at to have an opinion like she just. ME. The most exciting thing she's done all season as her her knee and be on crutches. saw when that happened. It was when they found what they were getting the Vegas Themed Party and they were dancing to celebrate and then ray at the end of that cliff she's like, Oh, I hurt my knee and then the next scene she's on crutches because I guess celebrating getting a party she threw out her knee and I believe alley lash out the most twenty-seven-year-old injury of. Just realize like is that weird like if I was in New York, I don't think I would throw in New York theme Party. Like they're in Vegas. You guys don't need your literally everyday is Vegas Eric in Vegas, but they're not in vegas a rooftop like it's not. Like they're actually. Staying in a suite at a casino and going and gambling, going to although VIP parties and the pools and all that just for about one day. Yeah. Well and on that note, this advertisement for Caesar's Palace noticed. These started doing that like week two and I crack up every single time the announcer goes into from a non sequitur into Caesar's palace. I laugh every time I think it's hilarious. I. It doesn't bother me at all like get that bag I'm ready just as many sponsors as you need to keep this on. Air. If anyone watched like the loser back in the day it was like. Is this all just paid content the whole episode so but yeah so this is not even close to that I'm totally fine. We're watching big brother. Canada throwing Caesar's. Don't care. Do you want to give them Wendy's in the middle of the episode? WanNa play a board game from Hasbro WANNA give him a new pair of sketchers. On board like we don't. CARE. Jewish so that the US, the islanders in the I I think that could have been kind of find having them like laughter I'm eating in the restaurant independent even if they just gave them more date and they got to go experience on them, the dates kind of become an ad for Caesar's like. That's an option that they could be doing, but I do love the humor of the announcer guy doing it like things getting better. He's getting a lot better. I didn't find funny at all season one in like he's maybe chuckle few times is. What I feel like overseas in one he did get a little bit funny ear but then he started season to season one had never happened. He did not know where he was what he was doing any sort of ground zero and now he does get me sometimes. Well, the thing is that what I feel like mostly it's good. I'm not like laughing out loud and he's The star of the show like the UK version but I am always like enjoying myself and not really taking note of any lion. So that means like bad enough standout but there was also like it wasn't the star of the episode for me. It's a voice overs for me. So I think. We're going to jump to the next morning because he only thing from the night before is like. It's just going to be gushing about how much we love Justin and Caleb like we have time for one to. Become. So, Calvin and Myra talk. And Cavins like I'm relieved. You also found someone more as like I was hurt why didn't you talk to me last night? So I guess he just avoided her the entire first night back which I think is a power move and it's the first thing Kelvin's done that I think is funnier good. Would also avoid era. So it sure. And then like but to be fair, I would I would also avoid. Helvin. Pouring I, don't like him I. Like well, I was fifty fifty like I was fine with to pursue Arthur of you. So I, just like wanted him to have a chance and like if you went Jack alone, I could have told you that it's like I'm sorry. So you've fifty fifty you were fine with keeping another guy but you expect Calvin to comeback alone so that you can equally pursue both of them choose who you want like. Sorry that's how this works. I'm just so her that you didn't come talk to me after I coupled up with someone else because I really wanted to keep you as a backup option and you didn't do that for me like what are you saying? I did not get more at all here I feel exceed secretly really just did want to stay with Calvin or like. James like what is going on because? She's missing James Yeah and hope not. But other nothing makes sense. I don't get like this argument lake if he's if she's in a new couple like, hey, say, hi and then we got a hopefully three more weeks in this villa I'm sure we'll talk at some point. Really inexperienced in dealing with relationships and maybe like all these guys like it's a new experience for her. I felt that she kind of. Kind of guess, cop block is their word. Thin from actually pursuing Erin. She's Kinda just learning a new way to be a woman in this environment and he's not doing a good job in it. No clue she has no clue what she's doing like I get it. If I if I were suddenly thrust into a love island type situation, oh my God. I would be I would not know what to do like I'm sure that I would make a really great like three episodes of television before the first recoupling coupling when I went. Back. I wouldn't know what to do. I don't want to flirt with people like people always think I'm flirting when I'm not and being mean what I'm flirting because I only know how to be mean to men. Okay are-. So it would literally be a disaster. So I I can connect to her on that situation, but I'll tell you what I cannot connect with being mad that someone's not willing to wait around and be your second choice. especially. When they weren't actually by being in you know you knew that your they're having issues she was talking to McKenzie about like on. You might be keeping his options open and it was very clear to me. I feel good to her as well that he started making out with her that night and it was after the America saves them basically and it's like he's only going to go home. Oh, they can stay in the villa longer. Let's make how Moya and so I think it was all contrived to stay in the village and she was feeling it. She was feeling uneasy about their relationship and so it's like come and you knew his she somebody else you did to move on. The audacity to be like I picked someone else. But I'm mad you did is like so bizarre to me like I wanted to have options but I wanted you to have none. Like. Okay. I don't get it. It's just I. Love Ireland is a zero sum game. Okay, guys. Like just. I did not care. For it. So. Let me get Johnny and Sally. Are having more conversations. Janis Lake I will give you space. It's GonNa, kill me but I'll give you space. And then he pulls out the really great excuse of well, I just thought of them more as a challenge. So like anything it costs amores. Okay. Because it happened within the confines of a challenge. Okay. Johnny like get Outta here hated. No? No, no no no. No. Lawyer, they couldn't fight this. One by Johnny that is a very sound argument. It's all a game and so if awesome more was one of these games. In the context of finding making with people and having different connections I can I can here's white here. I don't think he's right that he did it but I could hear his point and the argument arm. Sorry your honor. I took the Bachelor Party weekend to be a challenge and I thought that it was free game. Okay thank see where you're coming from Toronto where it's like there's definitely reasonable get like doubt they're like. It's like this we he wouldn't be convicted of murder. He'd be convicted of manslaughter kind of. Get Him off I could get him on. The Versi those. Damn names. On what happens there? When like what you need to realize is, what's important is how I care about you and what's happening now, and then like as soon as sally just starts talking, he doesn't move that I really hate and he's like move over here like onto this part of the bench move over as he interrupts her making her point so that she's not able to articulate it, and like disrupts her like flow of thought and it comes across very much for me as like. I'M NOT GONNA. Let you make your argument I'm just going to like here's what I have to say, and then like, no, like disrupt your space when you're trying to talk and that I did not love we said it last week. Janis a fucked way. You hate to hear it. Oh but it might be it might be true and I just like them together. You know what? I mean like. Like that was so cute and like they're bond I, like it, and so I'm just I'm grasping here for sure but he's definitely done some. Things and I don't know peacefully in there with the best intentions by really hope that he actually likes her you know. All. Totally possible I, think that the intentions may be great but like is Johnny Lake looking for a long term serious relationship but at the same time I'm not sure I agree. But what I'm saying is that like I really like him, it's sally together is Johnny and cellular a actual longstanding relationship that I should be getting invested in like probably not. So both of those things can be true. That, we should try not to get invested in any of these people including Caleb and. I'm invested in both of those relationships. Sure. Even though Johnny boy like I do I do I was hoping that he would say the right things to be able to be able to forgive him I did want that to happen and so. You know maybe it's just the lead up to the end of her taking the money. I. would be the most iconic moment in television possibly. She loves him though. So annoying. Yeah I feel like love. Island. They always are like Oh. Yeah. Like there's the option someone could take the money. It's like no one's. No one's taking the money like. We do wish. But Not. Happening Oh. Here's the thing. Over the next three hundred, sixty, five days. I'm going to turn myself into one of these love influencers. I will get fillers I will get talks I will work out until there's nothing left of me and I will get on love, island I'll fake my way through a relationship to win. I will take them money and I'll do. You, would you be able to do that? To make myself look like those people know but I. Don't not. Like a lie the whole time I think that the Dow just be so exhausting ignore being yourself. You know lie to anyone. except. For one hundred, thousand dollars, US. Can do it. Even if it was like Calvin. No here's the thing if someone like Calvin I feel like it'd be easier because they will just buy whatever you say. Maybe Who would you have the best chance? The WHO do you like the most? Relationships. Okay. So here's the thing I like toxic man I would have immediately matchup with James from the beginning because he is the most. Prominent. Works. But. I I could play him the whole time and take one, hundred, thousand, I can do it. Especially James He's not worth it. Worth it. Some of US have student loans okay. No, I could yeah, I can play it. I obviously can't Carrington because he's playing you. I feel like connor would be like the softest target for that kind of thing like I don't it would not be hard to convince him that you into him. And if you just play it cool. I think easily skate to the end of the guy like connor. Here, I was expecting the answer of Oh calebs tall, but there was like a very detailed thought out respond. I guess would. With it on the spot imagine what I could do us some time to prep. Anybody. Scheme in the position of like Lauren. My God Wow. That's tough. Obviously, you want to go into win point. Yeah. Because you're you're going in, you're trying to win and then so she was kind of torn but like she gave a try to connor but. Car Mackenzie will already to snarl like at that point like you have to get connor day one or it's not worth it I don't think. Unless you're right in which case. No Week three and you'll be happy to have it. Who Else did she go for? She went for Carrington that seemed like it was going to be a thing. has she not been eliminated it probably would have been yeah. That definitely would have been a thing. On She honestly, about point she did couple of both trae. You could just I feel you easily like make believe it's a real thing and just go for. But I, tell you you. You wouldn't make it to the and in that way though. I don't know it's hard. You have to come in and. got. It. Well basically to have any chance of ways. Stay tuned. I win. We might my brain is thinking of ideas. We do. We do our own like online version of love island. You. Like. Audrain did like that one night like Bachelorette type thing. How did it go? I didn't. I didn't get to watch it but I heard it was fine and then she may do it again I can't wait for Love Island Maryland it's going to be the new craze. This your big brother Maryland was supposed to be a thing and who knows if they got to finish or did they finish on Zoom Should be. I. Mean Survivor Maryland that filmed this year finished on soon we'll see that in ten years so. It's GonNa be really jarring to see survivor Maryland and ten years and on Zoom. Zoom it and it's like Oh shit I'm handle. All, still on zoo. So. Morin Aaron Talk. and. He's like you know you don't feel any pressure, but like you can talk to me I appreciate you. Is crying she's like. I. Don't feel this doesn't feel good like we do. We don't feel right and it's like well, no shit. Yeah I was really annoyed by this like like girl like you you basically. Told cure saying, Hey, I want you to back off because I am focusing on Aaron and then for the fact that she got him now whatever and she's crying to him being late this after this is working like I'm feeling like. I. Was I was already irritated with Ryan. This did not help how I felt about just simply exhausting. Not Great in her line of like, why are you being nice to me like I don't feel like what Moyer was in like an eight year relationship or something like that before this, and maybe more was not ready for love highland I don't know that I feel like this is going great. Recently and like. Not that Aaron really the most exciting couple, but it fizzled out real fast we'd never saw anything from us. Yeah it went so fast and at least it started out seeming like a real relationship unlike her in and Calvin Calvin and it was like this doesn't seem like a thing and then I was like, oh I guess it's like. I don't really know what her vibe is very strange. We get Carrington and Carson talk things over and basically it comes down to she's like you know what if me? Single didn't do anything for you like word on. That's IT and. Hopefully that's the last we hear of it, but I don't think it will be she escaped such like I. Mean When Carrington who is going to be cool because like you're very hot and very cool like that was the first thing was not like, Oh, you're like I really like enjoy you like we like hanging out. It's like I wanna be friends you because you're hot like Okay Carrington. I feel like we you know that sums up pretty good. You could show a clip and like you understand Carrington there. kind of got a little bit of a heart spot for him now that he's like you know from an army background and some moving around a lot growing up, and so I think that this whole frightened him being the cool guy and like the ladies man I think that I've been seeing behind that veil a little bit and so as much as he's not really great with how he's been dealing with Pearson I do think that there's a little bit more depth than he's been showing us. Yeah there's definitely more their. I'm wondering to what extent he actually moved around himself because that has a huge impact but even if he and his family stayed in the same place, his entire league, eighteen years of childhood everyone else would be cycling in an that has a major major impact like I cannot. Overstate how much I contribute being a military Brat to how insane I? We heard a lot of like Kirstin even like Lauren was saying like Oh Carrington starting to open up and I don't feel like we got any of that on the show and I don't know if we're getting like super deep with Carrington. But at least we are starting to see different side of him in this new couple lanes with Laurel. I just don't think that it serves productions interest to show any other side of carrying like he probably is showing more at least in some ways like I'm not saying he suddenly. A philosopher anything like that. But I just don't think it serves a narrative that they're trying to tell about Carrington, the twenty two year old thirsty party dude to get to any of his debts and why he is the way he is like. They showed us that one scene of crying because his friend has gone when Jeremiah and that's probably as much as they're gonNA, show us of who he is as a person. All the guys that have been leaving have been saying like Carrington was my best friend Carey was my best friend and so there definitely has been a lot of at least as bromance that he's having that they haven't been showing I'm really I would say. Like a I think he gave trays brezler break or Keith had translates. The bracelet exchange of some sort with one of the leading, and so you know they have friendship bracelets. That's really cute. Bracelets for. Man. Then we get case adjusting. So just. Go straight to the source and talks to share which I think is absolutely the move. And she's just like listen I want to be up front. I. Don't there to be any awkwardness between those like I heard that you in Kayla maybe we're talking and like let's figure this out. and. Then she's. She's like Caleb said, he'll interested in you in a romantic way which I feel like is a little shady. Super Shady. Feel like that's kind of how you got to be to get across to share because like I mean you could literally ash air any question and it's just like Hazel, like what happened costs more and it's like, yeah, like cool. Cool. It was cool. You know it was like, yeah. Well, it's chilly. Cool. We're good and it's like, okay share I really did not get anything from her in these last couple of episodes but I definitely like A little bit I gave just a little leeway. Normally I'd be like Oh maybe coming off a little hard there. But at the same time like shared, what is she going to do? It was like she has to make it pretty clear lake. Okay. There was some miscommunication here and then share and her confessionals like I'm not here to make friends I don't care if someone's couple or not, and it's like Kay Caleb in just obviously. Going to be together like you need to redirect. No. Absolutely. Because like what she said was just concerned a couple doesn't mean you're off limits and unlike where is the grow quote here in this bill because she is off limits, get your little claws out of here. You know I was I was mad that she was saying that because I was kind team share beforehand and then at this point I'm Like if you're trying to interfere with Justin being shows right now I'm GonNa have words with me like I'll go to Vegas and like obviously there are exceptions and couples where being in a couple doesn't mean that you're not free to pursue other options but I think typically speaking being in a couple actually does mean you're off limits I think that's like. The common traditional definition of being a couple, and obviously there are exceptions to that in this world that's violent. If there is an arrangement that people have that they can see multiple people. Cool you. Be Gobi consenting adults I, don't care. In. And in the traditional definition of a couple that's exactly what it means share some. Back, aw. I mean he'll is the hottest guy in the villa. So I get. Very, good looking. He's swagger he's tall. My problem was caleb is he's not toxic and so I have a hard. I have a hard time seeing him as the man because. He would not destroy your life except in like a good way. He's very good looking. I really need to fix what's wrong with me. We need to unpack that at a later. I don't know where this comes from, but it's really bad like it's become such a thing chantal where it's like. Oh Kirsten things this one hot they're gonNA be the most toxic one of them all and it's a really just impacts metlife negatively. So we we we'll figure that out and another time. Hey We. Thank. God I Walk Hey within my Saturn return is coming next April. Twenty Nine Twenty eight. Yeah. I think my life is just in flux and I should make any decisions right now it's fine. So we get connor and Mackenzie. McKenzie's like you deserve someone different for me. I don't want you to feel replaced like we had a good time together and they're talking about how like they both are hurting but it's okay because it was like a real thing they had they have closure blah? Blah Blah. Mackenzie. Says that this one of the most important relationships she's ever been and. I don't know. I mean I. It wasn't like Caleb was saying he. Like the perfect go situation earlier like connor. Mackenzie were not that. So I guess in terms of like it's on TV it's going to be one of the most important relationships in that way but he I don't know. I feel like probably she's going to at least be able to watch this and learn it but I. don't know if that's how she meant that. Well, maybe because she watched him experience of day for the first time like that's pretty life changing you know all these new experiences for him and so it is pretty big growth are their. Aunts and not that big a deal is just a SPRITZ Awada. In CBS seasons of the day. was there a sale they what's going on? CBS reality. So. Funny. It's literally it just keeps coming up and I I don't think that's going to stop anytime soon either. On amazing. Grace the Dave. Thank. God like thirty days and you need to find the one that's actually hooked up. That has one. WanNa know what you're playing for. Day. I. Know and survivor they can just poop in the oceans they probably don't need. Tried to make like a homemade day on survivor. Going in a much more in depth thought process than I anticipated. Go with the no to that question also. So Johnny and finally get a little bit more. Closure I'd guess of Johnny Bean like you scared me I realized how much I care about you until he being like I actually really wanted to come for you but I needed to comfort myself and this is where she says that she trusts him more now because he told her, which again as Galli said, he also brought six minutes. I need like I still don't understand L. like. Even. The new girls no one went to celine. We're like his what he say. The same as when nobody was going to mackenzie being like listen Connor said that he doesn't feel like his own man that you're in and he feels like you're in charge of him and that he has no. Not, one person went to tell her that and I think all these women not care about the girl code. I don't know if it's like. Because at least seems like McKenzie's like made friends now but if it's always always had friends so I don't know if that's why there's like some type of agreement or like Johnny was like guys I'm GonNa, tell her like even like in Casa. More was like I'm telling her everything everything don't worry it's on me I'm going to tell but that was actually. So no one else told what actually happened I think that selling is going to make friends with some like with which share essentially. Maybe, share then will divulge some. You know some more about what went down over in customer because silly is great. He's like the friend of everybody within that villa, and so I think that once she gets closer to share that share might be able to open up a little bit more about what actually went on. There's like one of the good things about the show like ex on the beach is where like someone tells the person that they're talking to something and then they get called down into this separate room and it's like here's what your partner said but actually do you want to see a video of what happened? So like maybe that could be a twist like who knows What usually happens in the UK Berge and then they believe it also happened in the Australian version is that When they're still separated, they will send like. Fake magazine with leg articles about the couples have been doing on their spare time and so I was anticipating selley seeing at least like one of kisses or something that you know, and then it goes into block quickly and she's like. You know. So maybe they're saving. For something later is the challenge where in the head I don't think they did it last year where they did where it's like, Oh, here's what the tweets are the headlines about you guys are. So if you want to cherry pick one headline about Johnny Casa more even though it will be you know kind of in the past at that point I could see that making sir four some late game fireworks. Like I feel like that brings up, there are so many challenges from UK Love Island that they did bring in last season that they still need to like they didn't even they didn't do the lie detectors last time right? Did they I don't think so they didn't do detectors I don did they do the babies might have done the? I, think they did the babies. But like there's some that need to happen. There are some like we don't necessarily need but. They over for yesterday. But definitely, some that I was going to say I am questioning why they decided to bring like yesterday's episode. I can't anyways. fill them we got. A little setup of Kirstin and jalen talking. So it puts a little intrigue Jalen is ready to cut and run. And the nurse kind of cues up with a conversation between Mackenzie Amora. Because we're Mackenzie is upset when she doesn't get attention she feels like Jalen is really open and is there for everyone else? That kind of conversation Moyer asks if this is what happens in the outside world, Mckenzie's like all the time this happens to me. Yeah and here it's like, okay maybe I'm like good again with Myra she's like how you're feeling like one hundred percent valley like we need to get your love tank failed and like she's being a good friend here. But as I'm sure we'll get back to I don't always feel like more statements lineup all the time. Well, I'm wondering what what have mackenzie she was super cool and fun when she was just flirting with. Jalen, and then all of a sudden they're in a coupling and she just turns into a complete different human being that's like Super Jealous these all this attention and like just completely goes back into the version of herself that Jalen didn't really lake. So K., my thought process on this is when she was just getting to know Jalen. First of all, Jalen was not secure in his place in the villa's, and he probably was giving her a little bit more to get in as well as there was half as many people in the villa. So suddenly when there is twice as many people in Jalen has more options to talk to you. He's GonNa naturally talk to Mackenzie a little bit less, and then she just seems to not be able to control. That balancing like her need for attention in a way that is constructive like everybody loves attention I'd like I don't think there's a personal I was like Oh. Yeah. I don't ever want attention ever. Right. But there's ways to get that attention that are good and there's ways to get at that are bad and it almost seems to me like. McKenzie's people who she will take whatever attention she can get whether it is positive or negative because she feels like she needs any sort of allegation and I can see how it will be hard for. Jalen to give her that when now, there's twice as many people and she's starting to. Feel a lot more needy. Jalen has never struck me as the type of guy who's going to be okay with someone who's like super media demanding all of his time. Right. Look I am a bottomless pit for attention I love it. You need to learn at a certain point that you can get that attention from multiple sources instead one and I think that probably being in the villa where you are. You know with like you have that expectation of this is all about coupling up and we're together twenty, four seven, and that probably becomes pretty easy to get in your head is like this is how I used to be spending my time. I need to actually work on this when like most of the people there are probably just cool chilling out. So if Mackenzie, a was able to handle that like awesome and I don't know, is that her in the villa because that's like Moya's getting in her head you gotta be all about finding love or is that Mackenzie also on the outside? I think McKenzie's like that on the outside. I don't know I think it's a combination I think. that. She wants the attention for Shirl the time she chooses guys that don't give her the attention. So she's probably like having these kind of arguments and being like come on the attention to me often, but I don't think that she's like all of a sudden Selva shirt and like you know very in control of herself. She's still very, very needy. So draining when she gets needy I'd like her so much more when she's just normal. But thankfully no matter what meteor normal she is a reality TV star On TV I like her either way. So. Friend I. Don't know how I would handle that. We'll see. Yeah. No, you know what? Okay. This might be a hot take here but I was actually hoping that her and connor went home and the other two couples and seeing in the last route I didn't I didn't want them to stay. At all I wanted to give. Lauren and carrying a chance and Kirstin and trae a chance. I wanted to be how everything configured. So as hoping that the islanders didn't choose them as they're you know the favor couple or whatever it was. One of the shoe and then. Capped when I wanted Moron Calvin to go home I mean I'm GonNa take notes notion but it wasn't it wasn't given to us It should have been. There was a conspiracy about that though people have been like this is not what we voted for what he wants to mirror. So yes. So what we determined is they did two votes in the AP. One was a vote on who is the couple and that was what impacted their show and one was just a poll of who is the couple, and so the poll ran much longer than the actual vote because the actual vote it's only for like an hour. So we think that's where the diversion comes from is that people just didn't get their votes in and time. It's so annoying. So Mackenzie and Jalen talk about this and. Doesn't go great. I love when she's like, do you feel like you prioritize other people's feelings over your own? He's like. No I. Feel great like. Completely and and I feel like that was the type of conversation that her in Connor would have and would get a lot more back and whereas even Mackenzie calls him out on like Jalen very fine with giving you the one word like okay as a response and that is not Mackenzie, at all. So I think that you know like he was saying there's red flags I think she should have been noticing some tale. Definitely. He even then follows up talking more about it asking how good of a partner he's been. And Mars McKenzie's I'M GONNA. Tell you. You have to spend all your time with her, but that is what she. Sues where I think Maura is She's saying like I think you're doing everything right like I don't know where McKenzie's coming from basically it's like you were just telling her that she deserves this and like Oh my God we have to figure out how to get this handled and so I don't feel like Myra is. Being. As forthcoming with like both parties as she should be I don't know if she's being a little bit of a people pleaser or what? The case is here but I feel like either needed to give Mackenzie some tough love or you know help out in the conversation with Jalen or do you think that maybe this is part of her master plan to be going in on Connor. Starting she's starting like make sure like just work on this relationship with Jalen. So you don't go back to connor and maybe I, want to have that option for myself like maybe it started from there. Shouldn't be telling Jalen that like the I. Do see the Problem Jerry. Again remember that Jalen came into the villa being like mores. My type thought I'm here I. WanNa get to know Mora and then suddenly him a mackenzie were thing. So I want to know what we didn't see of that that maybe is actually at the root of the Moir Mackenzie like situation here. So you're wondering if I saw spot where she could be jumping in on Jalen not just connor this week I mean that could be it or it could be. You know at the start of last week when Jalen came in maybe more was feeling a connection with Jalen but mackenzie swooped in and was like this my man now and more is like upset about that like it's just like remember when. When Mackenzie and Connor, got the hideaway more is one who shouldn't talk about this. So I feel like there may be is more of a deep seated Mackenzie Mora issue than what? Maybe. In that Lake, you know, maybe she even maybe her saints Jalen and like she looks better than Mackenzie in the Jalen light right now it's like Oh like I should have chosen moyer. She's so much better than Mackenzie like maybe there is a little bit of jealousy going on. There could be. Jealous so You're right. You're right. So then we get. The. Next morning, they do like girl boy talks thing again. Am more is like I need to talk to Erin about how I'm not into it can't lead him on. McKenzie's like I'm so lucky to have Jalen by spend time alone with him and it's like, oh no, no no. Online and then the boy targets jalen talked about how he was. So caught off guard by how Mackenzie is acting and he's hoping it was just a small blip, but it is not a small lip. All I'm just wondering how little time are they spending together like there's nothing really to do in the villa like we like. Oh maybe he worked out and he didn't he didn't say hi to her I like what time does need to be happening for her to feel that she's getting enough attention I. Think in the Levion Context Mackenzie wants to be cuddled up in bed or on a couch or in the pool to like she wants to just spend the day together probably basically outside of girl talktime and workout time and if he is spending any time Especially not in a group context with another person and she's like well, why aren't you time with me like what? What did I do? Why are you being with me right now? She's like pay attention to me. Yeah I. Think it's just like it's a self filling prophecy at a certain point where Mackenzie comes to Jalen and uses her time to talk about how they're not spending enough time together, and then that's a negative interaction. So then he is more likely to avoid her the next like you know the afternoon and then the next time they speak again, she says, you're avoiding me even more and then the cycle continues into the point where it's like we need space I don't WanNa talk at all. She knows how to make people not want to be around her a he's. An expert at. We get. We find out that share has made it clear that she's not committed to Calvin. And leads into an errand and share conversation about how they have similar outlooks. She has L- he he loves that she has dr she checks boxes and I didn't even have my radar bellyache. We're cool. It's fine and it's like, wow. You got. Shared said like I'm not the jealous type and I decided translate that into meeting I actually don't like him. I don't think there's any doubt that she does not like him I feel like Alvin was like, Hey, we didn't like really good to talk to do you WanNa talk more in the villa. She's like, Oh, I thought I was going home. Awesome. Thanks. To twice and it was quite nice. Your name again. For Ba. The doing the Meringue Gay. Truly. Don't recall that happening. A little bit of Portuguese. No, it happened. Moment between the two of them I would say I believe you both but I I don't do. I blocked that out. We get Johnny and Sally talking about Jalen Mackenzie and both of them are bringing in like. Yeah. When they were apart they were like totally different people and we really liked them both better when they were apart from each other. they're just different people and so that kind of sets things up a little bit more. So almost casting producers know what they're dealing sometimes. I don't know if I would ever buy that but. And then it's just like more conversations. Jalen Karston kind of setting up a little bit more Yeah I'm worried about Mackenzie pattern. I'm attracted to you. Incursions like. A. Raft of a flotation device hello I'll take that. But she's very good at portraying it as like. Well no I only, WanNa be with people actually interested I'm here to find love and that's sad it's like well. Why did you stay single for Carrington? Link and? I don't know. We. Then get that just didn't Caleb going on a date and as just getting ready. We have sally and over being like it's the look for me. It's the lips for me. It's a hair for me and it was truly a moment made for this podcast. You just have justin like posing on everyone like again again again and. Again, the the highlight of the show is their friendship for me at this point, I am so in love with their friendship. And also so in love with just teens outfits. brought. Them from home or she was shopping in some. Wardrobe but like your little bathing sooner macking scrunchy is all the time like living for her cute looks. Working. WE'RE GONNA call out alphabets. I'm going to call out calebs like pink bandanna Shirt Short Combo. There was a full where I didn't know BANDANNA was A. Generally, I stay away from it and the fashion trend, but I can remember there was like a Tiktok that I saw where someone took Bandanas and so them into like almost like a suit of all different colors and I, was like, maybe I WANNA learn to so in quarantine so. GotTa get some hobbies. Earn how do make of all fucking outfit. Hot Pink very much appreciated Caleb. Mom I'm very happy for you. We get really good conversation between Justin and Caleb just opening up more about how her parents have reservations. It's hard to be here on TV. She's happy that they can watch it back now and see how good? Kayla. Biz. They're they're talking about like being in different areas but that just doesn't. She's not worried about distance she will move if it's strong enough feeling and I just feel like they left the state seeming very, very close and happy and I love to see it. The only thing I didn't enjoy on might be a thing but the feeding of strawberries I'm just not down with that being a sexy gesture it's usually awkward. The timing's not ever right and we didn't see that time with more. She had it actually stuck on her teeth when cusack a date silly it's I think we should stay away from the strawberry feeding motion I think honestly, not even just strawberries I think on a day. Don't feed each other food in general unless it's like, Hey, do you want to Bite my dinner off my four and the person's like? Oh. Yeah. I'll do that. I just I feel like feeding anyone anything like with your hand is gross and like. Until threes sensual is something. There are alternate replay. Nine and a half weeks, and there's some crazy sex scene where they're feeding each other different routes but it's never like that I see. I feel like that's the situation situations like when someone is saying Song, you're like Oh who sings that? Maybe, we should keep it that way it'd be like. Oh nine and a half weeks maybe we should keep it that way. I. Feel like people have complained about like, okay. Feeding each other kissing I feel like I am Numb to these Pe-, the PDA. Sense if you know you know like I have seen. People like it happens. Okay. Moving onto the next whatever see is your example of. Very Physical God. We'll have you tried watching sense eight during the pandemic scally I feel like it would hit different. You know grey concept not as well. Execute it but. It. Is Great. anyways. Get. Out of here I. Can picture like the you know the writing of late I, have never watched. The show must have a show I would not even recommend you to watch it because you like season one, and then be like, why did I waste my time watching us if you watch the rest of it, it's just Nah. Don't. Stamp. It's a cool concept season one is really good. There's parts of season one sense eight the I like everyone while I'll be like I'm going to watch an episode back again because I really want a love his character and I wanna see that part. But in the context of the whole show, it's just simply not worth it will hurt you in the end. So I I wouldn't recommend it. Even in like a two-day. Binge. Scenario. You. Lobby to. Push either way I would like season. One is legitimately great. But I don't WanNa give any false expectations that it will continue that greatness. Episode. Hey. Give it a chance. May maybe like it. Seasonal I think most people would like. So we get, we get a really Great Laurel and Carrington, conversation about travel and I only queue it up because we didn't really get to see laurel much all in these episodes. But She loves traveling she wants to go backpacking and Carrington clearly has no idea what backpacking is or what Europe is. Because he seems to think that backpacking through Europe is like hiking and camping and the whole time you'll go away from civilization. And like washing your underwear in a river and whereas like obviously, it'd be like, yeah, we're GONNA take a train from one CD to annex. We'll stay in a hostel and we will have access to laundry if we need it but obviously, we're going to try and pack light like. Like what normal people do not? I guess he thinks they'd hiked the whole length of Europe I don't I don't know. Going to do the mountains you know. Like. backpacking through Europe, that could be done in that way but. In general I don't think that's what people mean is literally. No. I like we know one trait about laurel now because like travel is the only thing, I can tell you about her but otherwise she owns a business and we learned on instagram that is an eyelash extensions. Fake eyelashes. Someone said eyelashes and yes just like how. So. Many people decided I'm GonNa. Extension it's going to be my big break, and then all of these people chose to make their new career and now the. Market's oversaturated technicians. ALBUMS BUT HEY, if Carrington does seem pretty high maintenance I managed to backpack. It'll be fine Carrington. He'll be laid to stay in a hostel figuring out. Exactly, you didn't backpack in the Carrington way you got to stay with you over your head. Well, yeah. No, it was not out and I way over packed, it could not fit in the overhead luggage they were like. I had never flown before this point. They were like Sir that bag is big. I was like excuse me I have been on display in. Times. It always fits. It did not fit but I squeezed it. It was fine. You hear that guy named. For the I was working as a flight attendant than so I do know that guy. Sideways. God and then it just takes a broom and then ever other people. Oh my God you should gate checks I can't believe you. You're monster. That's like there's always like at the airport my like the thing that drives me the most like it makes me the most mad is when they're like Ok guys, it's a full flight to Toronto. were. GonNa need people to gate. bag. If you don't mind please gate check it like you have something large and I'm traveling a duffle bag that I can fit into the under the seat in front of me. So are not getting in anybody's way I don't care and then you see people and they're big they're big is bigger than a carry on they shouldn't have been allowed to take through and they are just sitting in their seat like well, I won't be the one. They just said they need twenty five people to gate trucks. So we can leave on time and you're sitting there doing drives me it makes me so mad at. US angry as well. And that's just me sitting there. I can't imagine being at work and my clients are making my life that much more difficult just not gay chugging. It was always the Vancouver to Toronto flights that we'd have to experience ops. Always like having to get. Sixty bags. Yeah and I've seen it a few times Calgary Toronto as well. As any I'm going to Toronto. They're like we got a gate check and I'm like I got my big I'm fine. But then why won't anyone else just do their part? It's Like not being willing to check your bag in that situation is the same as when you don't put your grocery store cart back at the store. Yeah, right. It's one of those things where it's like. Nobody's making you do it. But he tells me about who you are as a person and like. Her a bad person if you're willing to check or not unlike obviously sometimes you can't gate tech like you need the stuff in your bag with you for whatever reason maybe you've a bunch connections whatever but that's not everybody. Well and also. Carry on, you should have the bag with the things that you need. If you don't want to actually check your luggage that doesn't mean you can bring it on his carry on you know what I mean. So only APP people, that's what people do is they basically have a small bags they don't have to actually checked luggage, but it's actually not a carry on size, and so in that case, I would have another bag with my carry on items and a- bag that I would check. You just put on the the ram at the end the flight get right away. It's equally as fast. The people have a weird thing about their possessions. Yeah. It's to like it costs money now to check a bag and people are like I'm not paying twenty five dollars. Off Well, guess what they don't charge you when you gate trek. So just bring it intending to gay check and then check for free like these people it drives me. Wall. Carrington's are. Ten Classic scally trying to. Bags fits when it doesn't. Okay. We get Aaron mortar a break-up also, which is great because we're wants to check it not more Aaron, wants to check into the more does like the Carrington I'm so glad we're talking about. We're not going to be to get. See I it was more like airing errands like, Hey, can we talk? I don't WanNa do that. So he's like I want to be frantic. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Let's be friends. So it is like does not want to even you know look in errands direction let alone have this conversation right now but I guess he's probably happy it's over seemed like it well, whatever she gets the screen and always like Oh. Gosh. I just wanted to be fun or like you be connecting or. What's wrong? What's to be wrong with this conversation and how does she not going to be getting her point across across clearly But at least he said and she's like, oh. Yeah. In the same way and I was like Okay Hugh. Same page they're done. Let's move on. To find someone I think he's actually pretty cute. He's okay. He's killed out of the like. Out of the Casa more people thought Jalen was very cute. But the person who immediately was like Oh hey was pat and I think that he probably was like very toxic and we just didn't get to see it. He's seem so. Guy. On the show I guarantee you, he would have been causing problems I feel like this is a rude judgment passing I think he's hiding had called me like I mean I think that is all actually very attractive I. Think they got better looking guys than attracted girls on the castle more side. So I thought that was attractive for sure. But yes, he probably is more toxic than we were able to see. That's why you be calling thinking hot I'm sorry. This innate sense okay and just a problem. We also get Jalen Mackenzie. Kind of have their little break-up of like Oh the energy was off league. Let's talk. It's fine that we didn't move forward yesterday. Let's do it today and basically it ends off with like let's move forward but also still be open to getting to know other people and it's like no. Just. You'd better start getting to know other people because this is this is over now. Yeah it's done. This is the time when she goes and he can't sleep in the bed beside him anymore. Correct. Yeah this is she. Ends up leaving and sleeping outside after this such attention college. So annoying like sleeping outside and like I like that he went and. Kinda turned around and went the other way didn't. Wake her up to chat. But what are you supposed to say in that moment like what productive GonNa come from that? Well, she he she probably wanted him to come over and like you know hey. Are you. Okay. Like we should talk like one to comfort her is something like that and she's blaming a little temper Tantrum I felt and I'm glad that he didn't buy into it. felt the read that I got from Jalen was that he was looking to comfort her? Okay That's what she wanted him to deal. Okay. Area. He was definitely like, ooh. Back Mackenzie asking connor why he didn't follow her faster in the first week so Maybe. Some maybe does not hooley incorrect about some patterns, but I feel like. Like Jalen has said that he is like never denied that he was going to be open to getting to know other people which I like is the right mindset for anyone coming into the show in general but even from Casa more which some people don't seem to always take that. But I feel like Jalen may have been less open to getting to know Mackenzie than he otherwise trick. He was very open to getting into the main villain though. I'm. She'd stayed those kind of the vibe that she had when he was chatting with her before they re coupled and I think that he would still be pursuing her but I think that he was very turned off by her completely switching back to this person that she was and that he saw on TV and she's offended by the fact that he's bringing up the fact that, hey, you know. The person that I'm with right now is like the same person that I was scared of I was watching them on. TV and so she feels like he's judging her about this but he's just like recognizing the same patterns that she was doing with Connor, and he's like, okay I don't want any of that like that's not the girl that I was you know kissing a couple days ago so. I see where he's coming from for sure and he would he would be open to having her as an option but mackenzie does not want to be an option. She is used to her and Connor being like V established couple of Villa at a certain point you know day one and so it's like. It's not realistic for her to expect to go straight to Jalen and for them to have that same level of like being locked in but I don't feel like she was. Expecting or ready to be as much of just like one of jalen options as we're on the table. She was not expecting it and speaking of options. Conversation of Sharon Calvin and I feel like Calvin trying to firm things up like a little bit but not like too much like he's blake broaching like maybe becoming more like a couple of couple and share is having none of it. Just calls the established couples boring and council. I could be and she's like by. Is He's like Oh. Am I boring? But like she is very lake don't even think about trying because. I think they're boring I don't think you're boring real quick. It's like Calvin was did not seem to be an option for share even at this point and like she may have very well been like open to getting to know him especially at the point where it's you know get into the villa or not and slightly beyond that. But it seemed like pretty quickly she did not She kinda wrote him off there. And I would say the most mortifying moment of the season was when Calvin goes in for some sort of kiss and she full on turned and he even got her ear, she turned her. Not So far away. And he calls it in this confessional, be like I got to swerve. Was So mortifying just like I like her excuses like I'm in red lipstick like you're also in Love Island, you can fix your lipstick if you really wanted to kiss someone like that wildest excuse in this specific context. It was like watching one of their truth or dare is like I did not expect to see Calvin Lick shares ear-drum. It was not. And Here's another thing too. If anybody is going on TV and especially for going on TV on a rooftop in Vegas when it's a hundred and ten degrees Fahrenheit every day. You gotTa wear a liquid Matt like you can't be wearing lipstick that's gonna transfer on Love Island. That's just a poor decision. But don't I love her he's like I gotta go and she's like, don't forget your phone. Nothing but just. Go Buy. At all. Okay and we already talked about Mackenzie. Like sleeping outside things I think we should just jump into the next morning when Jalen is like I slept in a half empty bed, which I think is just an empty bed like I feel like I woke up in an empty bed I woke up and I was in the bed. So was half empty. I look at that bad is half full but maybe There's room for another person. And he's like Oh was. Hot and she's like, yeah, I was hot. So you know it was hot inside. So I went outside into the Vegas Heat. No, air conditioning give me one hundred and eight degrees under a blanket outside. No. And so then yeah, they do the like boy talk girl talk and it kind of comes up to lake. The, neither of them are really feeling it with each other and they just haven't had the full conversation. And Mackenzie when you choose talking girls is like I feel attacked and leg, the girls were attacking her and. Make her understand what was going on, and so this was like I know you I know you love her and she's TV gold, but she's kind of exhausting. It's like get a clue Mackenzie here. It's very giving you very simple signals ease like being very clear about like not liking these kind of emotional outburst. He doesn't invite with that and it is what you were doing beforehand on the television street, and so he's not judging you but you might be looking at your current actions and be reminded of what you've already done and. It's like. Kinsey. She's TV. I wouldn't want to live in a villa with her era I might be your friend. I like it when you date her no. So. Much. But. I was. Why not. I would say Indiana. Lease Mackenzie, you're going to be hanging after the season I am not wait but. I feel like. I get the point where Mackenzie is. You can find her exhausting personally she gives me life I'm enjoying her on the so. I think that. This season could have been such a different I think because I think no matter what Mackenzie was going to be entertaining it was going to be TV golden. Did it matter what way she did that I think that in particular she and Kirsten should've read and watched he's just not that into you plus the sex and the city episode about he's just not that into you before going in because they're getting clear signals but they just choose to take them in a less clear way because that's what they want and they just need to know. Just, not that. I don't like you find someone you in the bill. Find someone else like I'm coming back with apartment. She's like I'm going to wait for him and see prevent to be and it's like Nel who? Over If a man wants to be with you. He will make you know that. I also, I, think in general if a person wants to be with you. They will let you know accept me. I've never shot my shot once in my life and I'm not going to start out. But I think in general people will tell you if they want to be with you and you just have to believe what they tell you at a certain point. Even if you don't think they're being one hundred percent honest with you. What are you gaining from prying and picking and trying to get more information like just believe people when they tell you things, I just move on they just simply must. Steve Harvey has some really great advice. He says never let a man tells tell you that he doesn't want you twice. So inside so The here that and move on the second time around like that's just you know I never thought I'd be taking Steve Harvey's advice. Context I will have to be. It's good. Arm Taking Sean Towels. God I. Yes. I can't. I can't wait hersher until just like. Tell me expose my whole life to me through astrology I'm so excited. So then we get. They do. They called it the check us out challenge. It's like a weird weird grocery delivery theme challenge and it is They did it last year they do it on the UK version. It's disgusting and doesn't need to exist, but it's where the couples need to transfer food from one side to another. Only using their mouths. So they they baby bird the food to each other. I'm going to I'm going to talk about it I literally, and like I have been very open vocal in the past about how much hate those challenge I think it is absolutely repulsive earlier. I. Said I could win Lab Island. I. Couldn't do the challenge I'd be puking. Like. Literally being in front of it. I would. You up everything about I've ever eaten possibly it would be true impulsive. I'm the most mortifying thing in my life. So never mind guys I'm not winning Laviolette can't possibly go anywhere near that. You wouldn't have to participate in that challenge. To everything that you. Couldn't make maybe because it would be good tv I just know it and I. I know and so. It's disgusting and they first transfers cereal and milk. I can't. Imagine. What cereal sitting out on a rooftop and Vegas, but I don't want to let alone after it's transferred the mouth I love that you're worried about this cereal and milk in the heat. Milk it would be soggy cereal and warm milk. The whole thing is disgusting. Maybe like Albano couldn't be the. I don't know I think it's just like survivor sometimes they win like milk and cookies and I'm just like I can't imagine like I'm one of those weird adult babies who still will drink milk from time to time and I wouldn't want milk on survivor that's disgusting in the heat now gross. Rushing. Animals. I need to stop I need to stop drinking animals I know it I, recognize it. I just can't myself yet. But just don't work for a milk company because I know I know it's disgusting I. Know It's disgusting and bad and honestly I should just go like watching documentary and it'll turn me off of it forever. You chocolate if that's your favorite, it won't be ever again. It's not and I don't. I don't even know why I just it's. So. Then they do. So McKenzie's gross confessional how it wasn't that bad getting baby bird if and I'm just like McKenzie you we are two wild for me you've gotta go. They wouldn't want the milk one, but it doesn't bother me that much. But the whip cream staff. grosses me out because one when I was younger, we were playing these games in school and you had to put whipped cream on. Someone's got an answer wrong and Branson whipped cream all over my face was in my ears and in my hair and I could smell that brought in whipped cream for life forever until smell right now but I think about it and so whenever I have regular whipped cream I can still taste the rotten in it. So I just I can't have that and they do a lot of those challenges so I could win laviolette because. We're creams is gross I never even had a traumatizing experience with that I just don't like it. scalise personal favourite the ketchup and mustard, which obviously was his least favorite. SCALISE free. OF CATCH UP AND Say Okay. Is a strong word that I might use. Your. Skelly, catch up on the table and get a diner. He will be get that away from me like. To the other side of the table. Tasty. We unpack this A. Common thing. Herman we do have multiple friends. I feel like it. Again, I've said it before and I'll say it again I do think Canadians as a whole are more inclined to catch up and other people. Well, because of the sugar content, I'm the I'm the person who aggressively hates catch up, but will be the one to move off of the table if everyone else is just liking it but yeah, I truly I can think of there was like a big brother comp where I was like if I was going to be a victim and they were spraying me with quote unquote catch up I don't care if it's not catch up like I really don't know if I could do it. When they had like the hot dog themed like wall and they were shooting ketchup and mustard, and though I think it was last summer and if someone tried to spit catch up into my mouth I would. Just Tried to spend anything into my mouth I would. Attack them physically like the I I've never actually even physically violent before I think that that would. That would create that casual mustard mashed potatoes, meat mashed potatoes. Now potatoes I hate. Hate. Catch up. That is such A. Thing to say mashed potatoes there to. Glue Piano. For me. Do you Lake Ranch Ryan. I'm now by very specific condiments guy I will drink everything in buffalo sauce. Or American for sure. We would do catch up and I would not do barbecue sauce or ranch like with anything. Ryan American friends usually ranch and barbecue sauces. No. Not a ranch guy mostly just buffalo but I'll dabble in the barbecue and a couple of others muster usually barbecue sauce and ketchup are definitely relatives like our cousins. I liked oh sauce but I don't catch up like I like pickles but don't give me like it's different. Sorry. which though have you tried catch up chips? No and I'm not going to. Miss There's already bringing four Liana and Mike. When I first meet them I'm bringing them dill pickle chips. So maybe if Can until pickled trips in America, don't let them trick you into bringing them I. Segment about pickles and like they were actually kind of anti pickles in general and so. And so yes, we were told him that I'd bring them dill pickle chips I brought. pickled trips to the last note I went to and then we find out you can just buy them Erica and I was like, why did I waste of roommates is on the US they're in my grocery store like do pass them quite often have bodily. Yup. Exist okay, I could point Mike in the direction could bring. Pickle, if you wanted to give Oh, you don't have Dutch out there. We have it in Toronto no no they only I'm pretty sure. They only sold the Dutch up to Manitoba. No further east than you guys have hulme chips. It's weird but I mean I've lived in. Vancouver so maybe I'm just mistaking where. Yeah. I'm sure you've had them before. I. Don't like old not much though. We just up looking going to be like, Oh, you got old Dutch trips. I'm not GonNa have any Oh, crushing meg of all Dutch tips by myself, but it wouldn't be the ones I've purchased. I love how hard we're trying to avoid talking about this challenge. Literally so disgusting and I hate it and I'm so caleb adjusting win which I guess is like good for them but I don't think ever look in a partner the same way. Do kind of like I just think it would be it would be too hard to look at them. Said I don't mind having balls in my mouth. That was Halley. Balls her mouth. Some of them were pretty big. It. said that Johnny picked up on me off the ground and then baby birthday into her mouth and I'm like I feel like that's against etiquette. I feel like boundaries have been crossed beyond on the ground like. On the ground is the least of my concerns that have happened today. Thing, just. It's really bad and wrong and gross, and so thank God. It's over. We also get there's like separate boy and girl talk again but is literally just like more of the same. So I think we can jump into tonight's. I feel like this is where I start to become a big. Cureton fan where she is talking about how like the way and I don't feel like it should have been like a total disqualifier but I like that she unlike we have said to everyone why not someone not looking at connor as like red flags of how he's been on TV or like other guys Cureton is looking at like how Mackenzie and. Created so quickly and how he has like talked to her about her over the last couple of days and where Kirstin has. Formed a genuine friendship and like seeming like flirt. With Jalen she's like that's a big red flag for me and ultimately seems to push her away from him for now. So I ended up liking a lot here from this conversation. Agree. I like her though I. Just didn't like the fact that she didn't choose a Guy Yup. I just wish that she'd not. I didn't like her just looking at in that position where it's kind of like everybody was like Oh. My God poor girl who poor thing you're sitting there alone stand for a guy was an interview anymore. So I didn't like that whole, but for the most part I like Hairston. Yeah I I don't think she's done anything that I like hate except for well as you said, not picking someone. So. Good. I mean made for TV. Was a good. Yeah I enjoyed. The episode starts and Carrington Slash production has set a date for him in Laurel like an informal date. With some wine enter coutry? and. It seems like they really like each other and I guess the girls have been telling how different Carrington is with her than he was with the other girls. And that I think the only other Laurel seen other than the coupling at the end. Did you like how Carrington was laying on the couch when Laurel comes up the stairs I. Did Not like it actually. During that making sexy. Their case there is a scene in like one of my absolute favorite books where. Basically the premise of the book is The wife gets into an accident has like reform Nesia, and she's trying to pretend she's getting her memory back and so someone has told her about this saying Mont Blanc that her and her husband used to really like, and so she brings it up to anything she has her memory bag. So she comes into the room and he is naked on the bed with whipped cream on his job, and he's like Divan mob block and she's like. I'm sorry what because she has no idea 'cause she's faking about starting to get her memory back. To think that it's where like Mackenzie walked in on the hideaway. No Connor you're supposed to be laying on the bed and he's like, oh, so connor. You're right Connor Coast Carrington pay when they walk in your. So. That's what happened. Carrington would accept coaching from anyone least of all. BFF saw. With with. I don't know if anyone is looking at connor as someone they wanted advice from. Carrington bill like tiny twenty, two year old baby is like I need to protect connor. So. Call, you're only twenty three like it's not like there's A. Difference. No I know. Honors More Boring but a twenty three year olds. So he's older than that now is he really? So I'm pretty sure he's only twenty three. They say, no one likes you when you're twenty three. No. I mean I didn't know people said that age from blink one, eighty, two song. Oh. Yeah probably pretty. Nice reference but that's he got back person McGinnis Niche. eighty-two that underground band no. Eighty two I'm just thinking. It's a very particular group of people who are going to remember lyrics. To songs in twenty. Twenty. And not a superfan because I'm not. That I remember I. Don't want anyone beat Golden. GRUDEN Sushi. You know. You are correct. O'Connor is twenty three from Pittsburgh. You an auditor I wrote that he's cute young and struggled a bit with dating a bit. Me In the past. I feel like you could take Cuba young about pretty much every guy that's been on this this season. Yes. So then we get the little setup of Calvin Cure Stan they liked clear with each other they like each other a little bit. Calvin never really tried with her because she was coupled up. He does think she is hot, and so that's setting us up for later. Like Them I land not. opposed. I kinda like I feel like both of that neither of them are like jumping off the TV but I find them more fine than some of the other more. You know. Boring couples so I would enjoy and I would like to see it develop. Lauren. After Nabila interviews with saying that Calvin was surprisingly a lot more funny. A Lot. A lot more swagger than is actually being portrayed on the show because I don't know how Calvin can get a girl as in my opinion as hot as cure stan like instant think he's got. Charm that doesn't have the crack he doesn't have the banter like he to me would be a class. No. No thank you. Get here, Stan I'm like and she wants to flirt with them. I'm wondering this is just a wonder if flag she knows that she could probably have him be wrapped around her finger into making. That's why she's kind of putting all of her eggs in his basket see. I feel like a girl who thinks that she's going to have people wrapped around their finger isn't standing alone waiting for Carrington, at the recoupling. So I, like them I don't feel like here skin like I think and he said it Jalen said it like Oh, like you know you're attractive but like Sure. But does she know like in comparison to everyone here like who knows and I feel like I'm like Calvin Number One fan and I'm not even like that into him but like I enjoy him and like see him as like worthwhile casting on the show and so I guess I would say like is this like a super match that I would have picked on paper? No but I like them both. Who knew that Calvin had a fan. I like. One I mean I'm not opposed to this match up I would like to see more but. I do think that we've seen Calvin, is very willing to play the game and go with what America thinks and we just saw him get super shutdown, buy a shares. So I don't know how much I believe what he is saying to Kirstin I think that she has proven herself to be someone who? Falls for the boys. So I worry. Also really frustrated that carrying to a showing laurel more affection than he ever showed her in the villa. kind of thinking excuses uses because he's into her. Literally like that should make you feel. Confirmation. It shouldn't make you upset you should be like, Oh yeah he didn't like me. I will close my heart off to him forever. She got there eventually, which is why I think that finally she's talking to some New People. And God. We get a very intense connor, Mackenzie conversation where Mackenzie is like hockey how she feels judged and all of that, and how and this is where she finds Connor Moyer have been talking which was news to me as someone who watches every episode of Dumb. Show. Like. Okay. And then they're just like talking a lot and it really didn't seem like Mackenzie was going to try to bring back what they were having but. I do feel a corner was shutting that down and bringing up like you know more in that kind of thing and Carrington's like. Tries. To break up the conversation. Yeah. Let's go play charades like. Hysterically crying. With everyone. Just like I think Harrington should've just let them have their conversation and not tried to butt in but you don't think your producer was like go break. Police charades. Like. The thing is, is I don't I think that? The producers to see the full emotional gambit of a connor and Mackenzie confrontation than it is to have that kind of funny moment not even for the death is the death stare the. I guess I maybe if they really wanted to paint her that way. I don't know I see again, I know that it is the purpose of this show but Mackenzie, and supposedly best friends and for like you like you said like it to come out of absolute nowhere like I was shocked that all of a sudden connor and Moya as a possibility I look I thought in dot conversation with Mackenzie that he was saying like Morin I've been talking as friends and like are still friends I didn't even realize that. It was more than that until afterwards when McKenzie's like, yeah I was just trying to kind of give him my blessing about Maura and we. My accent my best friend like. Things move foreign minister. Like. Don't love it I. Feel like. Weird little position for the three of them to em not to mention think conor. would be unbearably boring and if are, and if anyone votes for them, I'm upset with you. But I'm going to put it a little bit of a tin foil hat theory out there that they actually match better astrologically, and so they might get along better. She's Pisces he's a cancer that both watery they're both kind of moody and emotional they might be able to vibe a little bit better than so I think it's obvious that they vibe better. Also get her high-seas cancer relationship. Very. Watering. That's. Like. The most toxic, amend my life, all been cancers, and yet I'm still drawn to them. Can't even imagine I'm not watching the show for people to get along though. Arguing about. Think. It's pretty clear that they do match up a lot better the mackenzie and conor did but it's just so boring. I have just seen in Caleb that is like my horse in this race I don't need another couple to. Get Out. Payload are interesting and get along whereas Connor and Moya are. Paint drying at Lake. And someone throwing water at it like get so slow like God I'm. Either like I want to couple up with this boy because. I'm sorry I just fell asleep. I just. Can't I can't deal with it? I do have to say though Connors confessionals when he's talking about more, he's a little bit more animated and he can articulate a lot better than when he was speaking about Mackenzie or their relationship, and so maybe there will be some more energy that's brought into this new relationship because he feels a little more comfortable and able to be himself, and that's great and I wish them all the luck on the outside of. Like at the very least. Thank God. This is Mackenzie's best friend and ex boyfriend dating there will be drama it just come from them. It will come from her and so these time here for that very true and then we get like the fall full Jalen. Mackenzie like break up. And we'll just thank God it's over. It is I don't even know it's like this was so long coming I don't feel like. Jalen Kinda I feel your soon as he saw the first red flag It was like all over because he had already seen whatever he had seen on TV do really little like because these points of like how it is kind of unfair that. He is judging her based on like an edited TV show and yes, that is likely to come up again and who we are still watching an edited TV but she has not gotten to watch him in his previous relationship. So like she's not going to be able to call out like red flags or anything as easily but I think can't he's not getting is that this isn't a race to find the red flags to if you're compatible and clearly I feel like no matter who figures it out I. They're not compatible. No and the fact that after she spoke her piece, the only thing that he felt compelled to say was noted. Yeah exactly like I said, he's very good like she can lay out like A. Quick, about how she is like upset or feels or whatever the case may be and he'll respond with. Okay. She'll call he is sending that. Text message. Jalen is and I would not survive for me. It's certainly won't vibe for Mackenzie. Just, not not a good match. But. It's also the whole. He's not that into thing. One hundred percent like maybe if he were actually into her, he would be a little bit more communicative. You would hope. So anyways, you imagine if you would. That's just the level of communication you can. What? Well you know on the case because he's like talks to everybody, and that's one of the reasons why Mackenzie so irritated by him until you're getting so much attention and you're not giving any to me so I think he can be you know give some voice words of wisdom but not to Mackenzie. Gone and he like expresses interesting increased in a little bit and. You know being cautious. Then you get McKenzie's kind of like last conversation with Aaron of like you know well, we're friends and maybe something could grow from that and we should give it a try and you get Aaron and confessional like this is a tough one for me. It's like on the one hand, the Kenzi Super Hot on the other hand I've seen her have to relationships so far. I think it's a bad Stein when he thinks she's joking to start. But YOU KINDA got to explain why they're together and something that he says here does remind me of her bio where he says like Oh. If she's so cool she one of the guys and feel like Mackenzie was in her preseason bio like I'll watch the football games like I'm a huge sports fan all like be this I'll hang out with the guys and I feel like. Maybe. That contributes to wear Mackenzie is like I. If you're saying one of the guys and I can hang out with you and your friends and do like a the girls and everything. So why can't I be around all the time and it's like yeah but maybe that's not always the best. Even if you do fit in most of the time, you still need some time apart. I agree. Mackenzie just doesn't really get it I think. That if she's not getting that full attention from a guy in a relationship that means that he's not into her and sometimes they may. But I think that she's kind of reading signals wrong and like what she needs to feel validated relationship is not what all guys are going to be giving her and so the temper Tantrum is a turn off too many of them, and so she hasn't figured out that her tactics don't work, and so she needs I think actually needs to find go to like a dating coach. She. threw. Four to. Figure it out now. She's just a baby little Leo. Like letter liver life of course attention. Yes. relatable. Exactly. So. We also get if we get a really cute caleb ingesting interaction where they're talking about being a power couple being like. Beyond Jay Z. Being John, Legend and Christie teagan. and. I'm the funny when you just sing the songs. She's like. Well, you know some people might think you look a little bit like John. I don't think it's the wildest comparison I've ever seen. No Hurry beforehand, the usher residency that's happening over there. You. Go I need to go. Do Love Sheriff I. I didn't know about this advertising. In July of Twenty, twenty one. Like don't worry guys in ten months from now, we'll be great. Okay. Thanks. Again anytime anyone brings up usher. Visits like that song a whim g where it's like. Yeah. It's a great song, but it's like I use of a friend who had singer and she was like an hourglass shape of like a woman she singing it but sometimes, she would do like extra loam. LemMe Love you and I'm like, what are you doing? What is the woman's body and be like? Okay. Confessions wasn't album, but I would play for everyone to listen to very frequently. Like very tiny. Like barely just getting into music and was like think I'm an usher guy. For Two year that figures for that. I think record. They back then as. DNA bomb. Album take. Definitely a cassette tape on my singer had an MP, three player that fit approximately twenty songs and one of them was. Yeah. Great Song we'll add to any play list will always sing along. Know I didn't know this about use Galileo such an usher guy. That album does lap like it's a great album. He like you've got it bad. You Bad. His Great. I am a big Let it burn. Guy. My job. This is really good to now. I never knew this. This is. Good, too good to know that they're still think learn about each other. where okay. Then we also get. Do. We want to Gush over Caleb and just do we have anything more about that or we? I. Feel like we covered it, it's relatable wanting to beat the Chrissy Teigen a relationship though. Shipping Call Jalen Best. Best couple name. Lab. Stab. You certainly can't call plus teen. Thank you. Look it is. Calling Mackenzie Connor mccarter connor but that's not a thing anymore unfortunately. That's over. I really think McConnell. I had a shot of getting back together after the Tuesday episode and. I wasn't that upset. Lake wasn't gonNA work. If Mom, and dad want to get back together and be messy on my TV screen. So. It's fine. We God we also get Jalen and share talking about how they're like interested and they don't want to rush things and of course, doesn't WanNa rush anything she's like, yeah that sounds great. Cool down. Casually date. Thanks. Again you have to throw in like wireless two random people together. So then it's like the pre coupling, it's all just the same kind of drama as before the Sharon Calvin stuff is weird because then shares like we'll don't switch on me. Like. You've given him. No indication that you want to be with him. What do you like what you doing? No one's going home on this recoupling. Are you trying so hard? She didn't realize that. I feeling I, have some theories we'll get to. Okay okay. And then connor like. Fully. Puts Mackenzie in the friend zone and she calls that out and cries about it. I, cried about it too. Honestly, this has gone too far. So then we get the actual recoupling guys choice even though it doesn't really matter this time because. Nobody's going home. There's an equal number because. I cure had chose not to bring someone. There's no odd number of people if only one person had done. So so no one goes home. And WE GET CARRINGTON Says Perfect match maybe the complete opposite of him and talk about how liberalism it's like okay you know yourself. Right, Johnny talks about meeting each other's families pick Sally Caleb. Feels he can be vulnerable today he flirted with the idea of growing old with just teen. Imagine growing old. We've got Calvin chooses Kirstin jalen chooses share connor chooses Ryan and Aaron has no choice but to choose mackenzie but I thought like Erin was very nice with his speech and he really did make it seem like it was a genuine coupling I thought. Because he really could have gotten away with saying nothing it'd be like well we're what's left. Oh. That would've been source. I felt a little bit sad for Mackenzie here because you know she's standing by herself. The cute guys that she would have hoped maybe had chosen her other than errands. So she did some interesting Erin but she's GonNa stand there by herself being the last pick you know like a schoolyard pick and he was last. and. It's fun. Calvin really did fake me out. I thought that he was GONNA pick share a for a second and the only reason that I flagged up earlier with share may be wanting to stick with Calvin is we haven't America's vote coming up soon and Jalen and share being two of the newest people in the villa don't stand a chance we're about to say goodbye to both of them. So thank you for the mess, but that's going to be at for you to I. Really. Yeah. I think they are a definite cut but I think probably a losing one more couple in addition. Who would it be. What I'm wondering because I wondering if it's going to be like, sometimes what we'll see is like the bottom couple automatically goes home and then like, okay pick one person from each of the other two bottom couples to go home. So I think that's a distinct possibility and listen we're getting three new guys coming into the villa. So the beds are full I. Don't think we are you know keeping all these people in still getting three new guys. Yeah I don't think so I'm the vote will open soon and it's only going to be open for a little while. So all right. I already voted East Coast Yeah Yup well, the open to inform me and I. So how did you vote? I finally. Private. Vote. For Johnny and sell because I. Really want her to feel to feel good. I know that just Caleb, they're definitely a strong second and probably Americans I right now but. I did want to give some support to Johnny and Sally. I tweet from the Great Wall from America who did Craig our theme song and he had voted for Aaron Mackenzie and said team good feeds, and so there is a good chance that I will throw my vote their way just to insulate. I did take I went and I followed my heart and I voted for Justin and Caleb because you gotta throw them a vote and I promptly took my sister's phone and voted for Aaron, Mackenzie Want Mackenzie here. Go back and try again to see if I could vote a second time and they couldn't buy would've done all those three. Those are the three that I care about staying in the village. I. Think we're I. Think we're all on the same page about that, and probably most of the audiences as well except for the Mackenzie part because there are some people who have just noticed and that's why I'm just waiting for like Oh actually jalen share are in the top three couple like what? I don't think anybody wants. Get. Any boats to be their friends and battling. Like last time where it was like ninety percent of the vote was one couple and the rest of it was just very close between the scraps that her left arm. I think that's definitely possible. The it's going to be very top heavy. I can see you know Carrington could be at risk here Calvin probably going to fall towards the bottom Calvin Cure Ston. I'm a little worried about Aaron and Mackenzie, but we'll see what happens. I think Kenzi will get some votes I. think she'll I don't think she'll be in danger he and if this was a vote off of the villa vote, which not that they're like one to do That's where I get worried about like the masses organizing behind getting mackenzie out of the villa but luckily, it's vote to save and controversy. Or like you know. Excitement as I would like to phrase, it garners votes. So let's hope. Fingers crossed. So that takes us to the end of the episodes. We will hit just a couple of questions but not too many because we've been talking for seven year. East. Coast broadcaster podcast. Guest Co host go to bed at some point on the sweeper. So we'll just go through a couple so. These questions from the ROB has awesome patrons facebook group. Sarah West Asks How could production let Mercedes go? Could they not have offered Carrington some money to pick her just think of the drama. Should've center in there with Connor. Like. Connor. Do any. Second thoughts maybe WanNa. Pick someone else you dropped this. So I don't know put her on season three. I'm ready. Let's bring back Mercedes. I was surprised that she wasn't able to figure out how to get into the villa. She, he definitely is TV gold. She would have caused a lot of drama obviously in the villa but maybe no, I don't know why that she didn't get there actually. Think that maybe people didn't like her for NECE. I feel like. Kinda played her hand with Johnny early and while carrying gave her a shot ultimately think he probably made the better decision here with Laurel in terms of their compatibility. But if Mercedes shows up on the challenge I'm not GonNa Complain. So we'll see what happens imagine someone is on three episodes of blood island and then they get onto the challenge. Incredible like Mind someone was on an episode of Bachelor Canada and showed up there. So I don't. I saw. God. We also got so Katy Wallace brings up that faith did a a facebook live in another facebook group? and. I guess was saying that the men really were just treating the women women cause them more like objects acting like they were on a bachelor party and apparently Johnny was so bad on a tooth Mercedes at CBS actually can't even air it. They said not a question, but really are the guys trash and. You didn't have that you already knew the. Answer. To that question in your heart when you asked. I. Thought Johnny was done with Mercedes night one. God. You know what? I? What she would saying on I think IT WAS ICHI UTAH. Each entertainment tonight. They earned the girls were saying so it was faith Genelius and Mercedes were saying that Johnny, locked eyes on Mercedes right from the beginning and like she was his key she wasn't allowed to really talk to anybody else. She really got like he was became very possessive apparently oprah her and like kind of he was the aggressor in the whole situation and she was the one that felt as though she was like trapped apparently. So I don't know why it's so different from what we were shown in the episode. And why the three women are kind of in solidarity with that storyline. I don't know I don't know where the truth is here. And I'm almost wondering if. Like Johnny was being very, very bad and then kind of shifted gears really fast to, but I'm going to go back to sell and they were like, well, we should insulate this couple from this drama is. What I'm thinking from a production standpoint, it's hard to throw your like eighty two percent vote getter under the bus or whatever it was like at a certain point you. GotTa, protect your assets. I guess which I would not argue as the case. Hey, we have other people ready to rise up and take the fan favorite spot but maybe it's a harder storyline to portray I. Don't know but definitely is interesting hearing that from interview. Yeah. That's a that's a lot to unpack. Yeah and his girlfriend apparently has been saying like, yeah he's really possessive like you know he wouldn't let me do anything and like he really gets to territory all about like. When I was gaining him so I don't know. Fully that side of them. I hate to hear that though seem really really hate to hear that. I. Think that the producers would be protecting dot kind of you know selling 'cause like she's GonNa get into a relief to someone that might be. A bad. percent. So at the same time I think that that's not great either. Have watched reality TV's or long enough to know that protect people that they have an interest in they don't care they. Will you know if they can get away with it? Awesome. If they don't, then they'll start showing but seems like they thought they could you know cut bait here with who was in Casa more and move on now it sounds like Johnny is going to end up on the challenge. Based, on the scene on that show. Well. Before like the one used to filter people through and so now that the merger would see the US, we're seeing more crossovers with survivor and big brother. I wouldn't be surprised if they started pulling some people from this show, invited some people for this upcoming season of the challenge. But rumors are they turned turned down the opportunity jet what was your name a? Really, pretty girl. We, ACURA. And Heyman, and they both turned it down which I think are both pretty decent picks. Picks Kierra. Definitely. Yeah. My favorite of the two was pretty upset to hear that she had turned it down. I know that like they had moved over and carry to the amazing race before that had canceled filming. So I think that we could end up seeing these personalities show up elsewhere. In an interview after saying that game was the one guy from season one that she was most interested in maybe getting to know and then West. In Second Lauren found boyfriend at the airport on her way home. So feeds committed how? Did you. TMZ article she met a man who is also like a master at the airport leaving Vegas, and now they're I, guess dating traveling together. Posted like three and a half times in one day. So like that was sponsored content I believe. Like someone was calling the Paparazzi on themselves there. Yeah obviously, and so then the last question of the night from fully Patia Mon.. What stuffed animal? Would you be carrying down the stairs and I think everybody knows I'd be carrying down my giant stuff banana, which is fully what I would bring on reality TV. It's the size of me and from that. I don't have any stuffed animals. Normal. When I was a kid I had a tiny little stuffed rabbit I believe at one point had a Hawaiian shirt on May of lost it Hana Yeah but the thing is that I would also lose them or like one would be dirty or whatever the case may be. So I had multiples of this rabbit by parents just kept and would switch out if I ever lost one or something like that. So probably that rabbit I think one of them is still around, but we'll have to find him. I, feel like I need to get a stuffed animal now. I've literally scally childhood stuffed animal that his parents had a million of and so one might laugh. I like one a stupid prize at the fair when I was eighteen and just think it's funny because I, named it erection and bring it with me from apartment to apartment. Maybe, like what what are those body pillows? Can I bring one of those stuffed animal? Hello Yeah I've been toying of. Full on buying pregnancy pillow so that I can be engulfed in a pillow while I am sleeping at night. Two cuffy just sound nice? Yes. Yourself. You imply that I only have one stuffed animal as. Your stuffed animal life is like I was trying to I mean sure chantal they're not sitting on my bed, but there somewhere I don I definitely. Going that then there's I'm pretty sure. There's like three bins of stuffed animals at my dad's house in the basement and yeah I'm still waiting on the beanie. Babies to regain their values so One day you'll be rich and. that. Incredible. So one other thing. So last episode. We asked everyone we beseeched you to please. Rate A review us on itunes five stars. It's all we want five star ratings and we did get some more ratings since that time. But with a remind you to please go into your pod catcher right five stars writer of you. If you want anything you want in the review be mean even just only five star ratings as all the except. and. You can find us at ROB's website dot com slash love island. Thank you for joining us. Thanks for having me like I've been smiling this old tires. This is great. My cheeks hurt perfect. I Love Love Island and talking all about it and with you guys. Hell Yeah Ilia. and so if people are looking to hear more for meal, where can they find you? I mean all over the place but. You go to. San Fran Fran, you can find most of my links and if you want a directly hear talk about all this reality stuff. I started Youtube Channel Call Reality. Real. Niche with three essays. So we just talk to all of our chat room people about. Love. Challenge Shepherding rewatching the dual right now season. We're going back to our roots here might do added a real world or road rules and Rewatch soon so Can You Do is a great season. Is it's one of the. Potential starting points I tell people when they say they're gonNA, go watch the challenge usually start one-season earlier but great season highly highly recommend. Definitely going for a great season Obviously, we love the love story that gets unfolded within that season and yeah, it's pretty epic. You're seeing like the the beginnings of Johnny. Bananas when he was still called John You know. The beginning origin story of all these the challenge legends. So I'm enjoying going back in time here. That's great. I. Have to go back and watch old challenge. So at least now I'll have a companion. And I have I have a resource. So I can give you can help you out with Oh incredible case. Sounds good. And then. Has passed that point skelly working people find you if they want to hear more from you. All right. Well, I am on twitter at Brian. Underscore scally. Be tweeting about Lavalin big brother anything else that comes across. You know give me more reality. TV, and I'll be happy otherwise I. Talked about it before. Last podcast, but we'll just released was the. Losers draft on the challenge, wrap up me and Matt Liguori jumped over to do with Alli and Brian, and that was a lot of fun. Definitely check that out and with the exact opposite goal in mind over the Domin Colin podcast Me Matt Liguori Collins Joan and Haley strong drafted for. You. Know we were going for the positive points looking for the winner in that draft so we'll be talking about that more as the season gets closer to starting. Who? Say that. I feel like you guys are just going to be best friends and I'm. His US logical makeup. Similar annual same astrological. Getting I'm I'm Mackenzie Allen. And he Can't you? Give me compliments. Question, though like I'm starting to get a little bit excited at the fact that we're starting to wind down, I feel with love island like after Casa more, they're going to have like the families come in the babies and Families come in. With. Way. Huge. Giving through family members. We get some video calls like. Hundred. I would love it with self. Valley but maybe they were informed team but more likely zoom calls. Let's what are we gonNa Watch Actually being serious. What's what? Now, saw. We've said before I don't see any reason why we will not be getting another season of big brother another season of love island. Coming up because what else are they going to film? So can very well see that being an option for later seems like they've figured the formula out as long as they can find somewhere to film than I. Think That's a possibility challenges filming. I feel like we'll have content. Live content and then. Even, if it takes a little bit of time to get back, there's old seasons to watch. There's always more I will watch the masks singer. I haven't given them. I had one messing her. And I'm like. Joy Jump. In the mask thing. The I was good the second season, but I'm going to do a nice little marathon and just you know just no banana away. The cost army. Do you see the did you see the lips for this new season? It's a mouse and there's like arms coming out of the mouth and it's like the honestly I'm really scared of it. I. Don't know if I can watch. Over Nicholas though I find it. What about dancing with the stars? Are you feeling about that? I have not watched the premiere yet but I heard that it was a spectacle article 'cause Carol Massar. Bask and killed, her husband wacked. Politics talk here her. Talk Pot. Only. Do So I guess I'd also should plug out. So if you WANNA follow me in here more for me, Akerson said well on every platform including twitch my goal for the fall is to get my twitter back up and running to the extent that it was at before I moved to be BC and also get the discord up and running. So head over there, it's not person said what? As well as Kalki cast releasing stuff. Over del one in a while. But I don't know they got twice fight which I've been enjoying and then I don't even know. Riverdale will come out. We have a few episodes in the Hanso just bother Mary if you want to hear more from me about Riverdale. Stream on twitch what's your? What do you look? So sometimes I play the SIMS, but it's been a while, but I'm going to do some more. Sam Long sometimes I do. Dream Daddy. Sometimes, I just most of the time I just chat. I'm just hang out talk about TV, life on kind of thing. I'm the last time I did I opened by doing a couple of Tarot readings for some of the viewers and I think. That's what we're GONNA do moving at the start of every stream. I'm probably going to do a Tarot Reading for somebody. Traditional Tarot. Okay Hell. Yeah. tons. Anymore tags. I just have the wild unknown. ooh, look at. It's a beautiful Dan. I really like it resonates with me, and so I did a couple of readings start. I'm still super novice at that, but that's a fun way to get better by just doing a little reading for. Only. Come on and I would get me I would love to do. We do like We'll have johnny autumn onto we can do like kind of like a witch. Stream be really fun. I've sat I can tell you all my super which he stories to, and I'm trained in interior train and started training obviously in astrology. So I love learning more and hearing more like it's Definitely, one of my favorite things to do so you do. You do like crystals and stuff too. I I know about crystals and sometimes if I have one and if I do a reading for somebody and like I feel across so that I just happened to have with me I usually made me gifted to somebody don't necessarily put him on like a shock roads and down and meditate whatever. But I do believe in the healing properties of crystals for I was just starting to do some research into crystals the other night. I believe in them. So yes, no I think I do too I. You know what? I'm a witch. Hey, guys. I love this. So again I guess we should probably under supply. I. Guess that's fine plus like half an hour talking before. So, thank you again to Wolfram America for our theme song. Thank you to Scott saint-pierre behind the scenes for getting this posted and doing all that work and this podcast is made possible by the patrons of rob has a podcast. 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