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Lego Masters | Episodes 5-7 Recap
"Hello everyone and welcome to reality. Tv WRAP-UPS I'm your host Liana. Boris and I'm here to talk. Lego master's I couldn't think of a better way to spend quarantine then talking about episodes five six and seven of the Fox show Lego masters now to help break. Everything down is my co host and favourite sister. Marie Marie how are you holding up? I'm doing great It's great to be your favorite since I'm your only one. You're my favorite and also my lead man. I know tough times. If you're not I you last in your case I guess both thanks for taking bobby. You're welcome. I think the number of times I quote Ricky Bobby is embarrassingly high. But that's neither here nor there a lot of good quotable than that. I'll give you that. Like what do I do with my hands? And if they can show us that one out of every all right well we are here and even though we're podcasting I also now. I know I'm really self conscious about what I do in my hands. I've never thought about this whole podcasting before knows I'm GONNA hang no I'm GONNA put them in my lap. Okay Okay what you can do with. Your hands is build some Legos. Although that does make for some awkward sounds in recording. Yeah I think that background noise is not something we're going for and this is not an. As Amar podcast no branch off branch off into that. Maybe later okay. So we have three episodes to talk about today episode five. Which was the mega city. A-block build challenge episodes six. Which was the need for speed? Meet Super Bridges Challenge and episode seven. Which was storybook challenge Morita? Did you have any sort of overall thoughts about any of these? Which one's your favorite least favorite Yeah so I obviously the last two times. We've podcast about this. The bridge episode was one. I was very excited about. I was not disappointed in that one and have some insight. I actually really enjoyed the story book one more than I thought I was going to at first because it had a lot of creativity in it and it was really interesting and then the Super City the mega-city was cool because of the twist at the end but yeah I think there's definitely a lot to talk about. We're definitely down to the master builder grade. Can of the really strong folks. Senate been you know these last. Few eliminations have definitely took. You know taking it a little hard. I'm not gonNA shed a tear on this most recent one but it's been a rough rough weekend reality. Tv actually in general. So I think I think for me. It's now starting to become clear. What are all the different things that are being tested? I know that this was something that was discussed in previous episodes. But this concept of storytelling. What does that mean? But then also sort of the technical challenges of being able to support a lot of weight for the bridge or to be able to build to scale which is something that the mega city block build really was all about and I that that's cool to sink in a more nuanced way. About what you can do with Legos. And I'm also becoming emotionally invested in the season. I WANNA know how it turns out. I have the people I want to win. I have the people that I think are GonNa win. I wanted to win. We can get into all of our predictions at the end. Let's go ahead and talk about each episode individually. Let's kick things off with episode five. Which was the Mega City Block? Build challenge now as I mentioned earlier. This is a challenge that is all about scale and Jamie who's the geometry fan. One of the judges was like married. But whatever that's cool he's like super into it. 'cause isn't that his specialty building. The city sets yeah buildings bridges kind of the way more intricate interesting life. Life size type buildings not life size but life existing buildings that exist in reality real. Bad whole thing's made my brain soft. Apparently I'm sorry you're saying that. The taker Waker doesn't exist in real life. Well I could be some. I bet you some kids parents are like you can't play without taking away. Your the taker waker. Somehow I figure that in Oprah's voice and you're the taker waker it and you'll get a book chicken and you'll get a boost. Hartsville seems we can. We can get into our interpretations of the bucket. Because actually by the way. It's Mr Buch chicken Mr Bush chicken and Mr God dropped and for some reason that bothered me. I don't know I completely agree with that. I pictured him having to put a tie on tag. Yeah I agree what Dr Pepper. And then what's The knockoff? This strike yes Mr Webb. Oh and there's was it. Blue Sky I think has Dr Becker. Because one of my friends Lee his last name as Becker and so he wanted to stock his full fridge of that in his office once he got his PhD goals locals. That's a storybook to talk. Let's Talk mega-city build the twist that we got. This episode was the fact that not only do they have to build this city block but then also they had to build some sort of creature that was attacking the city. And I think the stand out moment of this because I want to talk about this. Twist is Aaron Christians build falls and then I guess to a lesser extent. So did Salmon Jessica's they had some some issues and so this twist really helped them in the circumstance. Yeah I'd agree and not only I mean this building so they had fourteen hours to build this mega-city blocked that they were supposed to give and that was fourteen hours straight and then the ad five hours after that disaster. That's a long. That's almost twenty hours straight of building. That's crazy. Do they actually not all in one day. Did anybody go look at their outfits? Oh I guess they would make it more of the same outfits for day so according to Flynn. They did actually do that all in one day they had breaks for meals. I think but that was it. What no wonder Aaron was crying I would have been crying. Just having to do something for twenty. Yeah I was an intense build. So it was so heartbreaking you could see everybody else in the room looking at them to in their building fell over. That was just. I mean everybody was kind of like. Oh my gosh. What is happening. Yeah that was insanely emotional. I mean I'm sure that they already had the twist in place but part of me was like regulatory rate like not fair. How is that fair? But now that we've seen more of the episodes. The twists seem to really play a role. So it's like okay fine I get it. I'm sure it was already planned out but I can't imagine going through that and every it was so funny because after that happened and I was watching episodes six and seven. Everybody was like cleaned the floors clean. The floors will do you know what does what does that winter sperling curling in front of. Yeah Yeah Yeah. I think there was one quote. I'll see if I can find later. Clear the floor is clear the floors yeah right because clearly made an impact on everybody. Yeah understandably so look I had anxiety waiting for that episode and I was. I'M NOT GONNA lie. I was a little relieved. They got to come back from it but as he saw the twist had good effects on some folks in bad on the others. Yeah well what did you think about that? So amy and crystal had their cyberpunk city theme which they really seem to struggle with the twist. I saw watching this episode. Kinda didn't get it. I was like okay. So you have this cyberpunk city very blade runner ask and then your story is that technology is taking over and people are going to fight back without technology. How does that make sense? Yeah I agree. I think that story line. Kind of was almost anti-cyber PUNK CITY. There's always technology involved in cyberpunk and so it's kind of hard to see that meshing of like. Oh I kinda see it. Yeah we okay. We took the technology too far. But I feel like it'd be hard to fight without the technology. I don't know yeah I agree with. Yeah I was like why. Are you getting attacked by something super light and fluffy like view coroner rainbow or something or even like nature coming back to attack or something you know like nature a giant carrot? Oh my God that carry. It was amazing. I'M NOT GONNA lie. So I keep going back to that episode because it was the most recent episodes but anyway it was. Yeah alright okay. Are there any other bills that you WANNA talk about from this? I have everybody's Aaron and Christian did the Sustainability Tower Mellon Germain did the winter plaza. Richard and Flynn had the adventure complex. Tyler and amy did the Try Scraper Sarah Jessica Fairytale Tower and mark. Boone did the Food Cart Tower. So I think for me just buildings alone I really enjoyed. Melania MEANS BUILDINGS AND TYLER. And Amy had a really creative idea for their building as far as the overall build. Even before the twist Boonen marks. I love there's and then I actually really like Salmon. Jessica's idea to thought that was neat the Flint and Richard had a lot of super colorful buildings to and there's I like that I think for me I liked Lou okay. I've really fallen in love with Salmon Jessica. So the salmon just go by is probably GONNA come out throughout this podcast. I really liked. There is because they they are good at that storytelling element and I think that they've been able to showcase their technical skills as well and the fat the twist really really helped them here because yes not only was there bill kind of falling apart and they didn't have a chance to finish it but fairy tales to like evil fairy tales. It's no brainer. It's almost like they designed it. Knowing that there was going to be this twist there was gonna come in and help strengthen their build. I was really impressed. I thought that they could have potentially been in the top two. Also just 'cause I'm rooting for them. But everybody thought was really strong this week. Like you said Mark and boone with the giant food cart. The army of doctors hotdogs. I loved it. Also because there's that confessional where McKay thank you know we sit in here and we talk about our bills like do we really come up with that idea. That is my life past life. Did we did? Mad libs inspired by Greek mythology and late. I was like really come up with that idea like this week. I wrote limericks about survivor. Did I ever really do that? Really spend my life trying to figure out how to rhyme like martyr with barter. You know yes I love you anyway. It was. It was fine. The build from Tyler. And Amy was interesting because it was like okay so we're going to be inspired by COPS fire and health which. I thought was very Sim city was like okay. You have to build the police station. The fire station the hospital and even the building kind of looked very sim city as kind of the arcologies or something like that. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Low like round bed on top like way far along. Yeah Yeah and they were smart to use a technique to support it from the middle out. They have you know kind of that central structure that held it all together. They did a good job with that. I think look at look at them and then I think also just want to touch on Erin and Christians. Which was that fourteen story builds which was really cool and the smoke monster attacking. I thought that was neat. And the working elevator was a great name. Because it made me think of like the Godzilla Mothra which actually kind of fits with Richard and Flynn the giant spider. Yeah I love their giant spider with all the little is Corinne. Yeah that was cool and then I thought Mellon Germain actually had a really cool concepts for their buildings. I know that one of them. I think it was Jamie was like oh. This building is distracting. It's like okay like rude but they look like Lego pieces. That's cool so right now I really. I loved their giant Lego building and then the circular I think that was the top of a circular like the basement circular with alternating Brick colors yeah. They did really creative but I do agree with the criticism because they you know the judges in this episode is the first time you saw the judges kind of given guidance early on in the episode which was cool because that has been kind of a criticism. We talked about that before. Not being able to showcase that side of it but that was one of the criticisms gave them was. Don't have this glass building with nothing going on and that was something that Aaron Christian definitely did better as far as having little scenes in each floor and showing what was going on I wonder if he editors they're listening. I mean I'm it's a criticism it's not just. The community was pretty vocal about disliking. That part of the show and so. I think the editor is if they can. I know that you know the these episodes are in the CAN PROB- probably way before. But if they can sort of make some adjustments because I did not dislike the judges as much actually amy. I'm really starting to like. Maybe it was because she teared up when eliminating Avian Crystal this week which I thought was really adorable. Yeah I did too because we have our bottom thi this week. Our Mellon Germain and aiming crystal and amy And crisslow got sent home. Did you think that that was fair? Yeah I did unfortunately agree with it because I really enjoyed watching them and their their buildings were awesome. The use of color that they did with the black kind of neon colors was super cyberpunk. You know to me and I thought they did a really great job until having to try and pull together the story after the twist so you know I do. Militiaman's buildings are really cool to in their giant snowman. They did a little bit better. I think in their storyline on there so unfortunately I agree with that. Didn't necessarily get that. It was a winter complex but I was much more confused by Amy Crystals story which I am using my hands as air quotes because I I didn't get it and the fact they had to explain. I think that that's been a weakness that they've had this entire time so I was sad to see them go but I thought that it was a fair assessment from the judges agree with that and then we had Aaron Christian and Mark and Boone as our top. Two with mark in Boone ultimately winning. Which Mark Boone win three challenges in a row so they one episode four and then they won five and six. Which is I know are easy but deserve to. I mean they were the teams after. We did the first first episode. You know that were like these guys are going to be good. They're gonNA the top and they've definitely shown through as being really strong builders they also have the story to element so yeah storytelling all have story these story fairytale like my brain is mush without with hotdogs. Armies right actually like. That's the sort of story that like you and I would come up with. Oh weirdness believe me. I was living for the mad libs and the kids all excited about all right well before we get there. Let's talk about episode six. Which is the need for? Speed Super Bridges Challenge which in retrospect does speed versus strength. Got It I know. I was Kinda hoping that they would have to raise their cars like across the bridge but obviously Oh. That would've been cool. At least I it together a little bit instead of I mean so they use the racers obviously for a reason but yeah I think it would have been neat to have some time together somehow. Well we have. I guess what I would describe as are many challenge of the week which was the Pinewood Derby inspired car racing challenge in which we have all the teams building. The LEGO Pinewood Derby car feels to Pinewood Derby car because Pinewood Derby like this zero Pinewood Derby. Yeah and it's Kinda cool. I was excited with other previews for this. Because the little the LEGO convention I went to in Denver a few years ago. That was one of the activities. You can do so they had these bins and you went in and you built your own. Little car. You had a time limit to build it in fifteen minutes or something and then you raced against other people in line with you. It was really fun. Oh that's really cool okay. This is something that seems common. Then I guess maybe more common well. Mark Boone are added again. We the green machine lime time launch. Did they win? Yeah right okay. Crap I know Richard and Flynn came in last forgotten too. I wrote Mellon Jemaine came either second or third and then Salmon Jessica. We're second or third. Those were the top. Three right and tyler in amy's car was a giant marshmallow on bonfire. The flair was actually pretty sweeping was definitely not effective as a car. Soon as I saw it as like. Oh my God. They're GONNA do terribly but it was really cute. It was probably my favorite car if it's judging based on that Ex. Yeah that one thing that I noticed to every team did this but some of the I think smarter builds did. Is they use the bricks. That are the Controls for all the electronic movement and stuff because those are as far as it goes goes those probably the densest bricks you can use so they were putting those on their builds and I know Mellon Jemaine did. And who else did Mike? Boone used them to. I think I don't think Flynn Richard did and I don't think tyler amy did either but I. I think that was a smart move on their part because there was no. It didn't sound like there was any sort of you know you can't do this because I was watching part of that clip with me. He pointed out of his own. Are they going to put a motor on that and it was like no? That's just for weight. Who Makes Sense? I think I don't know if this is an appropriate phrase but creative bricky usage. I was saying because technically it's still a brick. It's our right but just using it in ways that are unconventional. I think there's something that is really prized. And I I mean you. Just you have to have familiarity with legos. Because I'd just be like running around like red bricks on there but the no tires thing was also really cool and really smart. I thought to decrease friction so that was really cool all right so we move into our Maxi challenge which is to drag race thing. That's why would yes. I can't there's so much plead through my brain freon like all the same. It's like okay so wait so all right. Well let's go to period and this and move on so the a we have to build a bridge. I mean I guess we don't but they do and it has to be a strong hold the most weight but also kind of has to look pretty because the bottom two are only being judged based on aesthetics so while this is truly an engineering challenge. There is a little bit of okay. Can you make it pretty? And not only that. But when I watched episode today the top two were actually judged Moron Aesthetics to Oh i see yes which will find. Yeah we'll get into that but the okay. So that's good to know coz DOT COM. I fear that later so they have to span. A six foot was going to say. But that's not right. There's a chance feet okay. Can You can't candy. Yeah and the golden brick is up for grabs. Yeah yes it's back. So there seemed to be no rules for the golden breakages whenever the producers decide that they wanNA bring it back fine by me. I don't really care all that much but I think you can't bring it back like right away so I think they're one episode. Pause was kind of like that as being like Oh teased year. We're not bringing back this week but oh wait. We got it back this week. No rules just lay. Goes ahead speaking of no rules and I make a comment about will our nets favorite bridges up and you could see the exact moment when Christian got it. Ca face go was the golden gate. London was in London. And then Jeff. Yup I say Chris here's like turns air crate anyway. So Jeff Bridges and no. You don't have to build a bust of Jeff Bridges but man. What if you did wonder how strong he would be? Oh that could be a new challenge that you have to build a person. Isn't that a thing? That's like a thing build people. Yeah one of the guys. I talked about last time Nathan. Who actually did a bunch of the buildings for the mega bitty Mega Mega City building challenge? He did 'cause there was the city blocks that were already built. He did a bunch of buildings but he is known more for his sculptures of people thing. Okay okay cool. So maybe that'll be a challenge of this comeback season. Who knows or hell? It could be a challenge on this season. Who might that's right? Yeah it's not over yet. Okay so blue. Do you WANNA give any overall thoughts on this challenge and then we can talk about some individual teams wherever you WANNA go. Let's go let's go. Yeah I like I said before. I was super excited about this in six Grade Science Fair. I built three different Lego bridges and tested the weights that they could hold on. That was my science fair project. I built a beam bridge which is just a flat finger across the two piers. I built a reinforced beam bridge by putting a giant rubber band around the beam and retesting it. And then I built an arch bridge and so my arch bridge was the one that held the most weight and it actually broke a Lego when it finally failed and it wasn't until today because I still have that piece and I found it because I wanted to have it for this podcast figured out that it was actually an off brand in rich Catholic. What that bridge of held up longer. If I had a real lego in there the true mysteries of our time I know and then I ness monster and how much weight without bridge have held if you gotta break real. I think it came out of this little dinosaur set. I got from the Denver museums the Denver Zoo or something. Yeah well I'm sure it also would have held a thousand pounds like two of the challenges that we saw most definitely especially because it was maybe a foot long. Yeah Yeah so anyway. It interesting to see all the bridges and so our dad is a bridge engineer. That's what he does. A civil engineer and his thoughts were most people have seen what a bridge looks like but doesn't understand what it does which I think was. I think it was really true because I was paying attention. So as the daughter of a civil engineer I watched the building big series which is a documentary series David McCullough hosts and essentially you get to learn all about all of these different structures and bridges. One of them and so I was like hey like that. Trust Bridge is built in correctly like it's supposed to be addressed but it actually doesn't hold weight that way. Oh yeah also. I took a bunch of mechanical engineering. Misuse of the Word Trust. I agree with and we're probably where you're going to be the most picky about the actual episode in the content. Oh my God I know right. I was just like the city blocks look amazing and then you get to the bridge challenge. And I'm like I'm sorry. Did anyone bother drawing? The statics diagram weight will be distributed across the bridge because clearly not. You can't just put some place out in the middle and then one little pier on each side right. Oh my God. I was so mad and in my head I was taking me back to all of my college classes like drawing the diagram calculating the does. Oh God doing here so much technical knowledge. Now what a disaster All right well is there. Is there anybody you WanNa talk about their bridges and specifically we can go in order so Aaron and Christian with I one or we can joke around? Yeah let's go. I guess we go and order by notes are all jumping around Aaron and Christian. I think for Aaron being the kind of Engineering Lego Teacher. He actually used the arch. Trust properly I will say that his arch was his arch. Looked okay it was kind of drawn out a little bit in the middle you know wasn't a full arch. I don't think and then his trust was released faced out which Jamie points out at one point but that being said they did a pretty good job though I think they come in third essentially in Germany. Forty five pounds right exactly with how much weight that they could hold which it was funny because they were the first ones and they had that when they had to get the weights from the camera department which I thought was hilarious sort of flake. Be Plot I know. I think that's the first time we've seen will. Arnett in one of the little vignettes of talking to the camera by himself his confessional. He's like we look real profession. Yeah but I did enjoy the jokes about having to steal weights from Christians like dressing room. Enjoy no that was good. There's like a little gems of humor throughout the you really have to be paying attention to otherwise you might mess. Did like to. Aaron and Christian also added a few little mini figs like working on the bridge which I thought was fun because it wasn't one of the requirements necessarily but I think it made it a little more fun doing. I didn't notice that that's really cool. I'll have to go back and look yeah. I didn't know the first time around. It did seem like most of the support was coming from the and it was also interesting because we kind of got a this with Tyler. Amy's bridge which was this locking technique because not only is it about the shape that you're going to build your bridge but it's also about the individual pieces because essentially your fracture dynamics are going to be different because you you are having to build with these unique styles of pieces and then you had the talking about regular bricks versus the tech technique. Technica technic bricks which I thought was kind of interesting so it was cool to see. These people use the shapes in different ways. But also I don't know it was like this is just a bridge the on a lake. Calm down. It's just made out of legos. WanNa model it all and no I. Actually I cause myself. I would have gone for the technique to see to see the tyler. Amy's bridge did so well without them really impressive to me. Yeah they just made can can abridge be at Jonker. What how that was. Definitely a chalker of a British. Yeah there's this okay so Maria Dino Talk Yeah okay. So there's this mediums. Old One lugged use. I don't even know because we accusing me up to date on tectonic. Okay because I was like that's so stupid but there's this museum that's like damn boy damn boy. That's a thick asks boy close. So that's a reference for you kids. I got it right. Oh no but But Yeah Dad also had a comment about that. He was like it would be interesting to see the weight to number of brick ratio. Because he was like that's not fair that they get infinite number of bricks. Yeah and he said. Yeah because I was another comment was big. Arches can do well. But they're not you know so I think that's where the real world you know. Engineer codes is like well. No one's GonNa pay for that bridge that takes too much would occur. Mudgene sorry that cost two thousand dollars Legos. No more expensively goes are getting expensive so I would love to see how many bricks were in that because I usually go with about a ten cent per brick ratio on most sets. Yeah thing would have been like five thousand dollars at least. Yeah that would have been saying Salmon Jessica. We skipped over them but they had this red and black design with those teams. That just boggled like none other. Yeah and that's I mean they could've put some technic- supports down the middle of those teams. I think or something that would have helped a little bit but they they explain. They weren't that big into knowing how to build something like that and they were so excited when it held weight at all. I was like it made me excited for them because they just seem so happy that it was folding wait. I love them so much and so just to see them get excited. It's like Yay like oh you go bless you especially right after. Aaron and Christian just held forty five and they're like one eight five baby but it's crazy because they weren't the worst. I Know Yeah. I don't know why but the stress on their bridge. That black and red made me keep thinking of a beetlejuice when he turns into the giant Lake Arcade game in his arms come roaring out because they were these long sort of stripes. Yeah I can see. I can see this made me think a lot of Tim Burton's with that color scheme for some now we gotTa Talk non-germane. They were very confident coming into this. But it didn't their bridge didn't hit the Roadway. I Know Matt was they. Were talking to Amish it coming into this. And they were like two studs short of being at the level that they needed to be which makes me wonder when discovered that because I feel like you could have just gone and gotten grabbed a bunch of plates stuck among the top of that and made it so. I don't know I'm curious. If they just didn't have time to do that or what I think. They must have ran out of time. Because I actually noticed this with Mark Boone they were also below the roadway. And you can see them at the last minute. Just like hammering on. He says in to try to raise it up so I think it was something where they must have recognized it too late and they didn't have time to do it because I thought the first time. Oh there over couldn't make it lower because if it was too low I wouldn't they just add pieces as an issue of not having enough time that can be will be no. That was one of the comments from my Jamie was remember. This is going to be aesthetics. And that's when they're being all confident that well by my calculations is GonNa hold six hundred pounds or whatever. Yeah so but you still gotta be aesthetic than main support. System wasn't even connected. I know that was weird. I like why not you've got all these supports on the bottom. That looked like they could be good. But then you have this gap. That's what he's much. What do you think the gap is doing like? Do you think the air will support it underneath? That's how that works and actually has to be connected? It was like they built two bridges like one good bridge and then one just like plank cross talk for what is going on here. Yeah that was weird. There was a very odd. I was too bad because I was like rooting for them. And then it's like wait. What is this only built so they there's only held one hundred and twenty five pounds but they were not the worst of bunch unfortunately poor Richard. And Flynn. I know only forty five ounce was of course they gotta get the reaction of. How are you feeling now not awesome? Can you think of you? Yeah that was sad and it looks nice. It Looks Nice. There is looked good. They said that it was inspired by the Bay Bridge. Which it's a trust so yeah so made me think though of the one thousand nine hundred eighty nine earthquake court cloud when it collapsed on itself was thinking. Maybe you don't use that. Yeah maybe not a bridge they got like torn apart in an earthquake grabbed me and granted. They're not under an earthquake test but still yeah but it would be like Oh. Yeah so I'm designing this. After the Tacoma Narrows Bridge really really pumped out of Google it? What a weird set of knowledge that I have. I think everybody's that way right but you know. Yeah yeah who wants to make a weird bridge reference. Hey you'd get along with Jamie. Just fine because he has also bridge nerd he was. Yeah the geometry expert. I did write that down. And it's like I lace Yamaji nerd. Then it was like me too young I want to know is why weren't they wearing safety? Glasses during all this loading like did I noticed towards the end of Tyler. In Amy's they did. Yeah yeah off anyway. Well thankfully nothing bad happened. The LEGO lawsuit waiting to happen rate seriously remarking boone market so they mark apparently works construction. So that that's how probably gave them a little bit of an edge so easily so they built a multiple beam bridge which obviously did pretty well. They also had a bunch of little mini figs on. There's yet Jamie loved it. Yeah you did all about this one. Which at first. I didn't get because I thought that. Tyler amy were robbed but then after kind of thinking about it and with. Dad's thoughts on it as well. I get it I get. Why Marketing Boone One? Because I think that there's wasn't just let me just pile a bunch of bricks in an arch and see what happens but but at the same time there's was starting to bend toward the end like yes it again. Air Courts held a thousand pounds. But it really starting to break apart whereas tyler in amy's didn't seem to budge at all. Yeah I agree I think if Martin moons was a real bridge they would have shut that thing down for repairs because of the cracking on the one edge So yeah I agree but like they said you know a thousand pounds was the limit which unfortunately it would have been kind of cool to see them. Go towards the end but urged till actually broke. But I get why they didn't. I wanted to see Tyler. Amy's break I was like I don't care how many pounds you have to add like throw Christian up there. He weighs one hundred pounds. Like that's a big addition already out there Brits Hey holds a me yeah that's also how I measure things I don't know how. How long is it? It's about one. Liana along one point two. Maybe one point two on us. Okay well like we talked about our top to Amy Tyler and Marketing Boon. With mark in Boone is are winners and of course my first reaction. Amien Tyler were robbed. Even though don't particularly like them all that is that they had another one of their PD moments which they actually you know edited where they said. Oh we met on a bridge in. Everybody does the same thing and then they go to kiss. That was funny. That was really funny. I do feel like they're a little bit of the butt of the joke at some places but I think that it's in a good light hearted kind of fun our bottom to where Richard and Flynn and Mel Germain which with Mel and Germaine Being Eliminated. I think for a multitude of reasons here. Yeah not only were they aesthetic. Which was what was going on. Because they held more Weight Than Flynn in Richard. But not that much and I think with all the Y- confidence in the Leading up to it. I think it was way more disappointing in that realm. Too Low expectations are key here. Yes Asians low and people will be impressed right. That's exactly we try to your life. Okay so yeah I think I think that was the right choice. And we're kind of left down now to the top five top five episode seven story Book Challenge but before we talk about the story book challenge. Let's take a break to hear word from our sponsors and we're back as I'm sure everybody can tell we were both pretty pumped. I think about this challenge. We were both talking about it so much because each team had to build the exact same story but in a unique way and that story was inspired by kids. Kids kids can't absorb Dow. Get those kids off my lawn. Kiss Ring Mad libs lives. No that just sounds. That's just terrible. Take that back. Oh God okay. I know we're sorry. The editor of this Podcast Aka me is too lazy. I want to. I want to read the story because I I had to write it down. I did too okay. Go for it. Go for it. Okay wow once upon a time in the land of Kuku magic. A book chicken and a horse that can do gymnastics. Went looking for toys to eat all of a sudden the takeaway ker whose houses messy and filled with all the things she took away from the children appeared and said why are you eating all of my toys. They are magical but it but there was a twist and the end of the story goes but it was too late and they took a bite and a huge blank burst out of the ground and a huge blank fell out of the sky. It was awesome. It was was that the official ending. It was awesome. I believe it was yes. It was awesome. So yeah the twist was that last sentence was added and then the children helped write the story got to help. Tell each group individually what they had to make. That was crazy. Yeah I thought that was really cool. My one concern is now that we've seen a lot these twists. And maybe it's because we kind of had to in quick succession. Is that if you're honest next season you can be like okay. Well what's the twist? What do I need to be thinking about? What do I need to be like setting myself up for? If you're gonNA lean so heavily on this twist element but that being said I thought it was cool. I thought it was cool that each were inspired by a different child. Although eat some some children I thought gave more inspiration than others. Yeah there is deathly children that were like me as more of six year old and children that were like me as cynical eleven-year-old please explain in more detail. Thank you and we're you also the child that was like I liked darkness. There might have been a little bit later on but I think that was more high school. I had my goths face but no I think like as a younger child you know is more creative and things are fun but then we have video evidence of me as like an eleven and twelve year old them just as rice are cast a lake not seemingly very creative person like. Oh take that thing and make it dark. It's a witch child so which child then when you have been. I forget the kid's name but it was gave Mark Boone or not marking Boone. He given Flinton Richard. Okay let's see so Richard and Flynn got the weed monster with spaceships from the sky. Aaron Christian Dark Dark Kid. Yeah that was are interested in there. Yeah Yeah I feel like I have been more like that kid like just kind of like evil version of that same thing we already had but then the disco chicken with two pays all my God raining disco chickens with Tube as was the thing and no offense to Aaron and Christian. But I would love to have seen. What like Salmon Jessica or Tyler? Amy would have done with reigning disco chickens with two. Pays sledding Richard? Because it doesn't get to agree. Yeah I think that that would have been really fun. Also apparently tyler and amy are pregnant. Yeah this seems like a good episode to spout that knowledge because she was I mean they talked about having a kid in the first episode or wanting to have a kid and everything and then she was definitely all about the children when they came to she get pregnant on the show. I doubt it doesn't take like a little while for the test to come back positive or depends on alarm film. I mean it depends if they if they legit go back to back which I would be surprised if they do. Considering these are super long builds. This is what episode seven. So that's why they gene workdays. Yeah I that's probably true helmet all in one group but not day to day. I don't think I don't know depends depends. It's possible again. Add that to our list of the world's greatest mysteries along with knock off lego breaking sasquatch. All right I want to talk about each one of these because we talked about Nicole buyer. The gold buyers amazing. I'm so if you have not heard why won't you date me? Which is her podcast. It can be a little off color at times. But she's super super funny. She has really great guests and everyone should check that out. That's my plug for Nicole buyer. But I really enjoyed her as a I guess a I don't want to call them guest judges. I'm just going to go. I guess I guess she was the guest host. Oh and that whole seven episode each thing. It gives you all of your thoughts on this weird situation. Yeah I I wonder if he's a I don't think they would replace him but maybe if they had a second season that he would have another co host. Let's get a bubbly or something to go with. I don't know I don't know I think it's just a bit. It probably was. I've seen a few episodes of her show nailed it that they talked about. And that's pretty awesome too because it's basically like you know the online memes of somebody shows something on Pinterest. Show their version of it at. It's terrible yeah that's right. Yeah Yeah Yeah I've entertaining episodes of that too. And that was like her. Whole thing with the catchphrase that he needs a catchphrase because hers is nailed it and so what was the one that they came up with? No Oh I don't know I was going back to the the other episode brick. Leave it and you can build. Is it brick cheever? Build chief it. I think it's it's brick. Leave it and you can build chief it okay. Good Yeah because I need to remember that a failed on my promise to make a Lego version of that so and I didn't put it on my quote board. So we're both. We're both negative point But hadn't yeah. The there is a price for just this episode to which. I'm curious if it's still a thin. That's not going to open in New York. I know resort New York. I'm totally going to at some point in my life. Okay let's IT opens. It was supposed to be July fourth and with current world situations. I don't know how long ago they film that. But that's probably changed. Yeah I have a strong feeling. That probably won't happen. I mean I assume it's an upstate. New York somewhere. Let's see it is near the city of Chester? Let's see it is about new? Not New haven okay. Well if I want to go to it. Oh sorry. We could not calculate transit directions. Wait why not officially in Google yet. I don't know it's I mean it's right and looking at it okay. Whatever not important maybe it looks like it's it looks like it's pretty close to being done all the pictures on Google. Look like it's legit. I'm sure it is. If they're opening day was supposed to be July forth worth okay. Well I guess we'll just have to wait and see how this whole global pandemic thing goes and who knows maybe it will pan out to get only. Take me thirty hours to drive there. I don't know why you don't get directions but I didn't play. Why do you directions this kind of near Manhattan? Just north looks like okay. It is what the Hell Google. Oh this is like compelling podcasting right here Oh yeah. Listen to us as we google directly on the truth. It's legit work and I don't know okay. You know what Google quarantined and not allowed to go and apparently google. I'm sorry I can't give you direction anywhere. Because he still have a week left on your quarantine so staying inside out here in the wild west Stephen with less population density. They don't carry it. Yeah Okay Well. Great Well IF ANYBODY CARES. It's thirty hours driving from where. Murray's lives in Grand Junction. So do to take the drive. Okay all right. Let's move on. Let's move so we have five teams here Tyler and amy did the floating platforms with the pack rat for the takeaway Ker and then for their twist. They had the carrot monster with the broccolis falling from the sky warrior thoughts on their their bill. I really enjoyed it. I thought the platforms were kind of fun as a way to separate out of the three main elements of the story and pack rat as the attacker Waker. I really enjoyed that with this little cave. And everything and they're carrot. Monster was hilarious. I love it's huge is in the browse and Burston out of the ground. They had kind of Brown brick stuck to it like it was bursting forth in the middle of it. They did a really good job with that tiny little broccoli parachute feel like you. And they got a ten out of ten from the kids so clearly. This really big hit. I thought I. They got some oppressive. I'm really impressed by what they're able to do. I'M NOT GONNA lie like the build. Some really cool stuff and the the level of detail go into a monster wasn't just coming up. You know straight from the ground. It was an angle and they had like you talked about those bricks that are showing it breaking out of the ground and the fair. I won't made it the story line. They made that part of the story line in that. You know the the Horse. That was the gymnast and the Book. Chicken were trying to eat the toys and so the Taker waker built summoned forth this carrot to make the meat vegetables instead of toys like that really worked for them. Well I thought they got some good suggestions from the kids as far as being able to integrate it into their story. Yeah this was the one that I was thinking of with. The kid gave you great ideas because it really well and the Carrot Mesh Broccoli so that was kind of cool yeah now. Aaron Christian didn't necessarily have the same success. They were criticized a little bit by the judges before we even got to the final critiques about there being too logical and that they weren't going into the minds of children to really understand and make it more creative. They built a literally a house right and they're very like it. Takes that engineering site of Erin to me like Oh yeah. Sometimes you know engineers have our time thinking outside the box because they build. The book literally built a box like it was literally a house but but they made when an interesting choice. I thought they made was their ducks. Mouth was a book instead of the Wings. Like a lot of other groups did yeah. I thought that was cool too. Yeah so but and then. Some of their toys were actually many versions of other builds throughout the season so they had a little. Oh my gosh to Amien Crystals cyberpunk building in there and then they had like a little beanstalk and they had some other stuff. That were builds from Timmy. The monkey I think that was one of manny investors. Okay see here's the thing. I didn't notice all those really cool details because I just looked at it and look like one of those is spy books because there was just so much crap it felt like all over there build so I didn't even notice those really cool little things. I agree if I imposed on it. I wouldn't have seen most of that. Either yeah there was part of me. We'll talk about later in the judging like I could've seen them going home. I I did not. I mean a lot of cool movement. I thought that was really neat but I thought this was probably the worst build out of all of the the ones that we saw but I think because of their probably past successes that helped them stay in this episode. I absolutely agree with that because this was definitely. They're worse build and worst compared to everybody else's kind of interpretations attendance but that one kid would've given him his hundred and twenty eight dollars. So you know yeah kids that also likes darkness but you do. Also he had one hundred and twenty dollars. This is an oddly specific number. But I feel like at that age. You know you know exactly how much you could definitely see that. It was very specific though richer so so Richard and Flynn were our next group and they have written down here a quote. That just says we don't have a chicken. This is like a three hour chicken. I assume that was said. Yes so by itself is just a great line but what it was was flynn had been working on trying to get the book chicken to come together and you just like it was getting to him and he can figure it out. And they spent all this time on the conveyor and so that was Richard CANTU statement of. Hey we gotta you know. Change Gears or move along. Do something like was there. Chicken is taking too long. Let's let's figure out something different. Your chicken is taking too long. It's a three hour chicken. That's like a slow roasted of John. That sounds so good friend. Chicken Chicken's been out at my grocery store. Oh my God me too. I mean it was when I tried to stock up before I got quarantine so I have been eating dino nuggets because this chicken I couldn't find and it's not real dinosaurs. I know unfortunately sequester apparently just makes me think like every childhood food like like An. I eat potatoes alone so trying to normal grocery run last weekend and out of all the normal chickens and stuff but then and the freezer aisle like there was no hot pockets and no corn dogs and then that made me realize that. Oh maybe that's why everybody's buying so much toilet paper basic things so much on my God. My favorite thing is seeing what sold out and from different stores like in London so somebody posted a picture of all. The tea was completely sold out so migratory store it was all the frozen vegetables except for Lima beans for some reason and then it was. The chicken was completely gone. Toilet paper. Of course completely gone which. That's just weird thing is. There's awesome video antics. That was I was a guy. His daughter was film and he went through. Like if you use twenty sheets you know every time you went. How long would it take you to get through like ten things of ninety-six and it was? I'm pretty sure he was actually from our high school because he hadn't Arapahoe high school shirt on it. I know good trump. Who GRADUATES GOING ON TO DO? Great things like completely off track on a Lego Masters podcast. Yes Okay Okay Richard and Flynn. Yes the taker waker. That looks like that. What was the kid? That's funny because it looks like my grandma. Yeah it was the same kid that said he would give the one hundred twenty dollars. You'll see one liners but yeah. It was like the way they did it. It looked very storybook kind of short and squat with a big head and big big hair and eyebrows. Were all mean. I think if they hadn't had the twist which is where they really seem to struggle with the Weed Monster. Kind of just like being like. Hey Hey buddy what's going you can. Just sorta like peeking out from the ground. It was a very menacing I didn't see the spaceships but maybe I just blinked for a second and they were gone. That seemed were. They really struggled the most. Yeah they just had one little space ship that came up in had like kind of a simple beam coming off of it so I definitely didn't do them any favors unfortunately Salmon Jessica were the next team and Ogres. There may be read so I loved what they did with the with the twist to the elephant with candy cane legs and the mushrooms falling from the sky. All of that was so cool. I feel like the kid that they got like new them or something totally seemed like something that there would be like. Yeah let's build the end. I thought there's a really cool because they focused on building the toys to be clearly toys. That sort of yeah. The the the scale was correct for everything that they were building. I felt like it. Wasn't these really little tiny toys. You couldn't see you couldn't see what they were. You could clearly see like Oh. They're playing checkers. They're playing jacks these toys that they stole so I I loved there as I thought that they did a really good job. I really liked their horse. They can do gymnastics to the fact that they gave it a leotard and a gold medal. A gold medal horse I've thought that was a really good little creative. Take on it really was and they got. The criticism from are not criticism. The compliment from the kids. That said I would play this more than I would play video games. Yeah seriously that's pretty impressive. Even intendo switch do you do. Did you get Animal Crossing New Horizons? I have not yet okay. I've been playing Zelda. I've been seeing people all over social media playing new horizons and here. I am without a switch so I got my game cube game from two thousand and one. Oh my gosh if I go back there it's going to be like you've been away five thousand here if you know. I think I played at once the Jewish years ago because it was like. Oh you've been gone for twenty nine months twenty. Six hundred is okay all right. This is not an animal although I could do that knowing the market now they built the House on the hill that is inside a book which I thought was really cool and the pinching crab was amazing. Yeah they did a really good job and going back to the giant storybook. I liked how they incorporated that. But there's the big story book that Will Arnett had was basically designed in the same style of one of the user idea. Lego sets that comes out so I don't know if I've talked about it before but Lego. Has this submission website where you go on and put your build on there and you get votes and if you get enough. Votes and Lego thinks it's feasible. They'll make a set out of the set you built and these two guys put together a little lego story book. That's a pop book. And you open it up and it's either got entertain. It's got to interchangeable stories. One is Little Red Riding Hood and the others Jack and the beanstalk and so they took the style of the book that Wills Holding from that story but which I thought was really need to look at that cross and emotion synergy within the League. Look but it made me want to rebuild myself because I just took it apart. Well a good thing. Eventually we're all going to be stuck at home so no. There's worse things for Lego. That's when they all my lego groups that I follow on facebook and twitter. And everything is everybody's like Oh everybody's tells his stocking up on toilet paper. They have a picture of a car with all these Lakers said soon. We'll be really crass but I'm picturing you know how stepping on legos is super painful. Imagine wipe case so my rock groups because of ideology Becker brought up that same idea but there. Okay all right. Let's Margaret Blue Marcus. They get a B. minus McKenzie's fine. No I wonder if that could was coached to say there's a bunch of empty space beginning but yeah they're they're crab was awesome. I thought they just had a little little little. Tiny robots falling sky. I thought it was really fun. That was cool. That was a neat touch but yes they had the parking lot issue and Jamie was very eloquent. Was saying you know the energy parks. This is where it stops in the bill which I get I get. I loved the random grading scales though from all the team so we got a ten out of ten. We got one hundred twenty eight dollars. We got a great greater than video games and a B minus. There's no consistency. Who HIRED THESE JEFF? Exactly incredibly unprofessional for these children. Yeah all right well. Our Yard our top two. This week were salmon. Jessica and Tyler and amy with Tyler in amy winning. Did you think that this was fair? I thought it was actually really close between the two. I think Sanchez was a little better spelled out almost just in just looking at you had all these distinct elements that you can see really well but tyler amy's use of their twist was really well done and I think that helped propel them. Yeah I think it helped propel them up as well. I thought they carry. It was just so windsor call and fine. I do love Salmon Jessica so it was very challenging to see them lose early. Wanted them to win but I understood where the judge coming from and also to see where they have come from our first two episodes for their arguing and we get the utilize even low lego comment that. I think they've done a lot as far as building teamwork. Oh yeah because week one week two. They were at risk but then they were high on week three and then safe safe safe and then they were in the top two for week seven as well so I think they are probably darkhorse going into our final episode. But they've really improved a lot. You can see that they truly have good skills. It was just seem to be potentially a communication issue which they are getting better out and they seem to be solving our bottom to this week. Where Aaron and Christian and Richard in Flynn with Richard and Flynn being eliminated on was does? I love Richard. Flynn they're my. They're my Salmon Jessica off and I mean I I really think I agree with what said earlier that because of Christian Barron's previous builds and how strong they've been overall I think that's part of what saved them because I agree with you to that. Just looking at their set like if you were just glance at it. It was cluttered. Hell does very cluttered. I it was a math a mess and I have noticed that when Christian is kind of on the defensive even when he thinks he's confident his chin goes up or I don't know if you've noticed but his he raises his What are you talking? Don't play poker. He shouldn't play poker. He's got no seriously fun anyway but yeah so I think I think it turned out you know it is what it is but a sad to see them go but we also are you know in the top so it's GONNA be sad every time. I should my tear and we'll move on. Yeah we'll speaking of moving on. We got a question from Jill who asked who we think will win and I actually want to break this down. We do this on the drag race. Podcast where we pick who we want to win logically which is head the heart what we who we want to win and then our gut which is what we feel will happen. So sometimes they'll can can be all the same person but I think it's kind of cool to break it down in those different ways so I'll kick things off. Who I think is GonNa win. Is Tyler Amy? No not who I think is GonNa win. Wait okay what did I just say head lodge logically? Who Do we think is going to win logically? It should be tyler and amy. I think they're the people that have shown the broadest range of skills I think they are so incredibly consistent and I with my head think that they should win with my heart a real job. We're GONNA win. I clear but I don't know if that's going to happen in my gut. I feel like it's mark in Boone. Because I just get the sense that will Arnett likes them. I think that the judges like them. And I think it's going to be between Tyler and Amy and Marketing Boon but I think mark bruener ultimately going to end up winning agree with some of that so I do. I agree with logically. Tyler in amy have been super almost the whole time. I don't think they've ever been in the bottom two that I can think of. And they've they haven't seemed to hit those challenging challenging spots where they freak out and you don't know what they're doing. They've seemed to always kind of just they do. They're the planners and I think it's been helping them lots. I think logically. I agree with that in my heart. I Want Salmon Market Boon to win because I like market. Burn a lot as as as our mom said to me. She's like I can see you getting along with them. I would agree with that. I could definitely get along with them but my gut. I think Tyler and amy. I think you're right so yeah I don't know man I'm stoked dude. I really think that it's it's between Tyler. And Amy and market boone with an outside chance of earning Christian. But I don't think it's going to happen and then way outside chance of Salmon Jessica even though I really wanted to win so up well. I think that brings us to what's going to happen next time because that might throw this whole idea out. Yes perfect I'm so glad you brought that up. So can you break down? What the preview had for next week? So what it looked like is there is they. They mentioned something about good and evil. But I didn't get a good sense of what they actually had to build. But then they had the teams pairing up so they mentioned that in order to be a master builder. You have to work well with others. So they're gonNA make each team pair up with another teams organised. Basically have to mega teams building next week and Terry crews. They're exciting life so for reason. That's awesome because he's Terry crews and he's awesome but yeah I think that's going to be depending on. What are pairs are? I would bet that a pair a pair of pears is going to go home. I think that that we've got two episodes left. This is my guest right. Now we've got two episodes left next week. Two teams will get eliminated. And or it's going to be like a two part episode. Maybe but two teams will get eliminated. And we'll have the final two. Okay so you think we have two more episodes left. So that'll put us at a total of nine episodes. Yeah either that. Or maybe since. It's a mega team. Maybe they stretched out over two episodes but okay. So this is my prediction and I think I actually found it. I wrote it down somewhere. The there are three episodes remaining. Where did I write this down? Maybe they won't eliminate anybody yes. Next week they'll be some sort of okay. I will okay so I will find those those episodes. But here's what I think is going to happen so I think there are. Three episodes laughed and they gave categories for each of the episodes. It was in a random youtube video that I watched somewhere and I thought I wrote it down but really not. Yeah so all right. Well actually hold up. Let me just go find it so there. There is a youtube video on the Lego Masters Youtube Channel called. I look push it to the limit in parentheses extended season one like masters which I know as a mouthful but at the very end it talks about each of the challenges so week eight is good versus evil week. Nine is Star Wars. I know right. Oh No I have so much to do before. Good good thing you know. Now we do have all the star wars advent calendar from last year all built on my desk week. Ten is be masterbuilt. So here's my prediction for I think is going to happen. I think next week. We're going to have four teams. They're going to do this pairing thing. We're going to have good versus evil. No one goes home. That's the twist then we go into week. Nine with the Star Wars where we eliminate one the star wars. What am I like eighty? What twenty dollars? Go See a star wars. You Still Dr Ward. Yes any chance to bring. That's not even will Arnett. That will be the Star Wars. The and I think we're going to eliminate one team and then we have three teams going into week. Ten for the master build episode. That's my prediction. You okay. Interesting shall see okay on to let me think. Is there anything else you WANNA talk about? No I think I think that's. That's pretty good for this okay. So I did get a comment from connor on twitter. Who said that? He interviewed his weight. He described as Lega Masters casuals which is his family and I want some of their thoughts so I do. The casualties were on the arch NBA. And so I thought this was very fitting to bring it into here so he interviewed his mother his father and his nine year old brother his his nine year old brother. I think gives the best overall comments. Which is his overall thoughts are? It's a Lego thing. I liked it. There are legos. Partly how I feel as soon as I heard about it it's like I don't care how bad this is going to watch goes. I will watch it. Exact lie. Connors mom thinks the best builders of the lumberjack twins and her winter pick is the pregnant couple fair. Yeah I wonder if they do well with the mom demographic because our mother and that's her favorite. Okay yeah that's entirely possible the dad so connors. Dad's least favourite. Was that plastic team. The new married couple which was little family favorite team also. Boonen his buddy. I like them so I don't know it could. Just be sort of a broad appeal. The brothers also favorite team was market boon. So this is why I feel like Martin Boozer GonNa win. Because I think they have the most favourable edit and so I think people are going to be rooting for mark and Boone. But Tyler and amy are also there and so. I think Tyler naming the villains mark and Boone are the Heroes Marketing Boon are gonNA win. We shall see that's interesting. I like the The two last comments his twin said I never expected to hear dramatic. Music be played when someone says were making a cute rat as well and finally we'll wrap things up with a comment from his ninety year. Old Grandmother is still show. You're talking about but I think all those judges are rubbish. All they do is laugh and laugh. That's why I watch the news amazing so many reasons that is really don't know what but I still have an opinion which is like that spells out a whole generation for all they do is laughing. Love Windows I've never seen Jamie laugh. Does Jamie gotta be watching some other show. Oh that's probably true. Aim even much. I definitely think she's in some other show she thinking oh goodness all right well also going back to the dramatic music. There are definitely times. I listened to movie soundtracks while I'm doing. Xl to make a dramatic new. That's a good tip and trick. Maybe I should try that sometime. Makes me feel like I'm doing something way? More important than away Cooler Than Excel. I don't know I ranking excel. Functions is a hot topic. I heard you. We're GONNA try and do that. But then ago eliminated didn't they pick shoeless into renounce owed. Did I tell you know? I listened to that one because I've got an inside baseball. That's so great. Well let's get. Outta here Marie. So you built a little Lego set in inspired by this podcast slash the challenges. I did all three of the last episodes so I have a chicken crossing a bridge to a city as you as you do and now we know why that chicken crossed the bridge to the city. So can talk about Lego. Masters worth again added to the pay. We're solving mysteries. Writing laughed over. Here all right. Well we're going to find you and find out wonderful picture on social media so they can find me and that picture in previous builds. I've done at T. S. H. E. N. U. R. A. On twitter or you can find me through Liana Kaz. Ap's well speaking of me on social media. I recently changed my handle. So I am at Liana. R. H. A. P. so that is at L. I. A. N. A. R. H. A. P. So look out for that if you WANNA ask and stuff. What other podcasts are you all my gosh? You're such a quick learner. Look at you. Just handle the podcast. You way easier. I don't know to do any of those prep-work nonsense that I could just get your reaction southern Leonardo. What are your feelings on this? Okay all right. I'll take leave next great. It sounds good I am doing. The RHA are Mike Bloom and I are going to be joined by Nicole. Dress people who is actress Comedienne extraordinaire? She was on broad city. I'm really looking forward to talking about everything survivor with Nicole. I think it's GONNA be blast like I said I wrote some fun. Limericks think that'll say they're not in the style of a man from nantucket no no no although that was the the first one pleaded he was like. I have one too. There was a man from nantucket or download. Let's see so speaking of puja. The massing podcast covering the latest episode is temporarily delayed but that should be out soon due to some travel issues with puja. So don't worry that'll be coming out soon. And then drag race episode four Brent. Amman and I are going to be talking about bringing it to the ball ball. Wish is the challenge that we had this week on drag race. So you can find each of those podcasts. 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Lego Masters | Episodes 8-10 Recap
"Hello everyone and welcome to reality. Tv WRAP UPS. I'm your host Liana. Boris and we are here today to talk. Les Go Masters Episodes Eight Nine and ten. The finale yes everything has finally wrapped up and I am here with my lovely sister. Murray set to talk about everything that happened. And our thoughts on the series as a whole Murrieta. How're you doing? I am doing brick on. How are you doing? Oh Wow does not prepare. Oh my gosh leg me. Go something bad. Start that start. Oh Man all right. Well I think that really encapsulates in bricks elites feeling right now I thought this was. This was really fun. So we got to see episodes eight which was the good versus evil episode episode nine which was the Star Wars episode. And of course the conclusion in the finale which was the build. Whatever you want to episode has a specific title. Give me your thoughts on these last three episodes of the series. I really enjoyed these last three. I thought they were good series of challenges. And I'm also a sucker for Star Wars. So you know you can pander to the crowd a little bit with the Star Wars episode. I think the finale was an interesting concept because being so open concept that created some interesting challenges I think but yeah I really enjoy these last three and I thought they were exciting and fun to watch. Yeah I think I've seen the most buzz online about these episodes. I think from the good versus evil episode where we had the teams paired up and then we had salmon. Jessica stay over Aaron and Christian where I think a lot of people myself included thought Aaron and Christian were definitely a lock for the finale. We had the star wars episode. Where Tyler and amy were told they would have been sent home but it was a non elimination episode. And of course the finale which like you said was totally open in terms of what they could build which I think the judging criteria we can talk about the specifics but it made it a little bit more open ended. And we have tyler amy winning the whole thing and I know that like I said. I've seen a lot of chatter and a lot of that is the discussion of you. Know Tyler Niimi have an asterix next to their win because they should have been eliminated in the star wars episode marking. Boone should have one blah blah blah but then other people saying the exact opposite so. I think that this is actually. This is probably the most. I've been excited. Maybe just because I'm invested or because they think that there's a lot of and I use this word like very lightly but controversy about these episodes so I think this is yeah. This is really a lot of fun. Yeah Yeah but definitely a little more drama in the down. I think for you as it could see that. Yeah I mean I'm here for the Lego shore but I'm also here for the draw like my still. My favorite moment was the. I feel like you don't understand lego moment. I think that was SAM but anyway Rei well. Let's just jump right into talking about episode eight. We also will be answering a lot of questions and Maria went back and re listen to our first podcast so she'll be bringing up some of the predictions and thoughts and we'll be getting into all of that as well but let's take a moment to step through each of these episodes and we'll start with episode eight which was good versus evil. Marija what did you think about the concept of this episode? I thought it was a fun concept and the way they started it was kind of interesting. So llego Puts out these many figure collections. I don't know if it's once a year once every two year twice a year. I don't remember but it's little collections of like you know eighteen mini figs or twelve. Remember I should have done. Research apparently is a BI annually. Mean once every two years or twice a year or is it both. I think that's one of those. That's both as I should ensure that up a few times but either way. So there's they're up to series. They just released series twenty of all these little mini figures. But the ones they had to choose from from this episode from Series Nineteen. And so it's just all these random ridiculous characters that Lego puts out like there's one of the previous ones. There's a guy in a hot dog outfit or you know girl at a peapod for some reason and then but they do have like marvel characters and simpsons characters and stuff too so that was their set of mini figs attitudes from which is why they had such a weird variety of figures in that. Okay Yeah I was really curious about that. Because for example Salmon Jessica ended up with bathtubs slash. Our Guy Efficacy. Where does this come from? The Marketing Boon had pizza guy in rainbow bear. What what is going on right now. Well an an unofficially rainbow. Bear is basically. They're not to care. Bears is what I found out. So hey make sense. 'cause care bear stare and rainbows coming out of your stomach and all that stuff that's totally natural But yeah so I think with these little characters legos trying to appeal to that more kind of absurd storytelling side that we keep seeing coming up over and over again in these episodes. Yeah well storytelling was. Definitely I. Think the Buzzword of the entire season we can talk a little bit. But let's Okay. So let's jump in so tyler and amy ended up with the Mummy Skeleton Guy and Indiana Jones and they were eve. Oh Yeah what. Did you think about the way that they did the evil vs good box? I thought that was kind of odd but interesting. I mean you knew by the end. Who the last team was going to be because it was pretty obvious it was gonna be okay. There's two evil into good. I thought it was. I did think it was interesting that they chose the pizza in the rain. Barrel to Rainbow Bear to be evil. That was funny right okay. So there's part of me is like oh well they knew they knew which teams maybe. They wanted to be paired together who they wanted to be evil and good. I don't know if it was necessarily random. Although with Pizza Rainbow Bear being evil although it would also be bazaar for bathtub shower. Guy Gardner took evil. Yes Poison Ivy League. Babich totally Gardner Evil. I Guess Bathtub Shower Guy Because Laura type thing I guess suppose so see we could create the stuff we go we got we got this and then and then. So so tyler. Mary were worthy evil team with the mummy skeleton in Indiana Jones and Aaron and Christian. Were there pair with the program or character in the lactic bounty hunter and of course when you have a program and Galactic Bounty Hunter you build a bake sale. Take Shali watching. That episode was so crazy that part like what the Bake Sale. Why is this? Why are you so into the bake sale in like get that schools need help like added to the greatest mysteries of our time? The obsession with the bake sale of any knows why like. Lv Don't you have somebody in the wrap-up universe that knows Aaron like are there was out of sequestered. She might not be. But I was GONNA say if we want to get answers that would be the route to take. That's a good point and then okay all right. Well let's let's just talk about their build since we're on these guys. What did you think about the Tyler? An Emmy Aaron and Christian build. I loved amy in Tyler. Build but again. I'm also super into Egypt so that you know helps. I mean even my twitter handle. Shera is a really bad derivation of the Egyptian for daughter of RAW. So that's where that comes from if you're curious but I also liked one of the things that didn't really get focused on but I liked because of a geologist is that they're lava. They had the little black bricks kind of on top of it that we're like the cooled lava that you could walk across which. I thought was really neat. They did a good job with the skeletons. And just the whole format. As far as Aaron and Christian goes. It was a nice builds like it looked like it could fit in a residential neighborhood. But it didn't have that EPA quality to me the bill together. I thought looks pretty good but yeah right and I think the fact that they hid the transformation bit which was really cool. It was like the Galactic bounty hunter like putting on his little outfit and the motor but it was tucked away in the build. I think that was really challenging and I think maybe just because we see the way that it was edited we saw the brick masters. Amy Jamie coming in and saying hey this is a problem and then they didn't listen to those critiques and didn't really make some of the necessary changes and so. I think that that also hurt them in the final judging because it's harder to have empathy for that kind of decision making when you're like. Hey the dude like I literally told you. Don't do this. You did it absolutely no. I agree with And it was down to the nitpicking as well right with these judge the judging at the end because all the bills I thought were really good. So yeah okay well. Before we talk about the ultimate decision mark. Boone were paired with Salmon Jessica and Salmon. Jessica had bathtub shower guy and mark and Boone had pizza pizza guy and rainbow bear. I really loved these two together. I thought that their build styles matched really well in terms of they build. Okay is going to sound weird. But they build at Lego scale. Breath says Tyler. And Amy which sometimes they have a tendency to build these bigger characters building legos and so. I thought that that made these to work really well together. I agree and the fact that they both kind of already had these like basement level things Zaman when they brought their ideas together they just it meshed so well and they seem to work together. Well and I think that also being paired with Marketing Boon really helped elevate Salmon Jessica because they wanted to match that enthusiasm and energy that they had and I love their little pizza monsters. I I would buy a little set of the little guys guys. We also saw return of a good use of ducks in this episode side. Yes very excited to see artful use of decks. What I thought the Gardner kind of looked like Kara care. Whatever the woman a thought to I could see those. Yeah that was neat. Yeah and I think I think in terms of their bill. They integrated really well. I think intimately like battle scene between tyler and amy and Aaron and Christian better just because it was more distinct but it did feel like three separate builds right when I like paused and looked at it which I've some critiques overall for the show but but when I was able to really see the whole thing like I said I felt sort of like three distinct builds even though maybe a liked each of the three builds potentially better but overall I think the goal of the challenge to work together as a team and have this good versus evil story line and I think Mark Boone Paired with Salmon Jessica. They were really able to pull that off right. Yeah I echo the sentiment because seeing their build even put together as a whole cohesive bill. They had their individual bills and the center was the battle. But it was all one billed as far as looking at it versus evacuate Tyler Amy and Erin and Christians which were three physically separate bills or stay kind of tried to melt together in that middle but yeah there was more joint to hind. Yeah there were like there was like open space. I feel well. Yeah Yeah not even connected. It's the parking lot where the energy stops Jamie. I learned something out of you know so all right well. Aaron increase should end up getting eliminated here C.`Mon Jessica. This is kind of shocking decision to me. I think just because I had assumed maybe earn Christian. We're going to be in the finale. Yeah I think it's it was shocking if you didn't know like watching them leading up to this but they've faltered on a few builds where they've had they get focused on something and they can't pull away from that focus to make some corrections or fixed problem so the fact that they they were the team. That didn't take the judge's advice where you know when they came around to Salmon Jessica and said. Hey you're looking a little sparse. This basement area. You know maybe you should flourish up a bit. They took more steps towards fixing that problem. And so I think that was also some of what the judge were looking for as far as being able to see it and they keep focusing on you know. They didn't focus on it as much in this episode. But we need to be able to see your story without somebody standing there because if you look at Lego land like you've said in previous episodes that's the way things are is that you don't have a guide walking you through all these big displays and you're finding all these little stories on your own so you want to see the big picture but you don't WanNa have to like you know. Bend over the railing to find what's going on right and I did appreciate will making fun of Christian. That was funny but I don't think I ultimately liked just more as a team so just from like a rooting interest. I was excited to see Salmon. Jessica move on and then from the LEGO perspective. I do think that Salmon Jessica worked really well with mark and Boone and I know that Markham had the golden brick here so they were safe but I. I thought just a team. They worked well and again. Okay this is so forget. Nitpicky the frigging bakes. I'm sorry this like really straight. He's not one. I wasn't as bothered the first time through. But we watching it and Kinda knowing it was coming. It definitely got me more this episode. But we haven't touched on my favorite part of this whole episode. Besides the Egyptian build. Which was Terry crews? How excited Christian was about Terry? Crews that is the most expressive has seen him in this show and it was so fun to watch those amazing. Maybe thought he was going to get some workout tips. I don't know I'd totally but it's still like I fit that whole road bro. Attitude there yeah no Aaron Christian really like I know they're kind of generic you white boys but like they were really great casting because they think Christians so far fits outside the molds of kind of what you generally think of when you think of Legos like you don't brose. Yeah absolutely and I think I was thinking. Back can relate to our first podcast. One of the questions was he. Thinking accurately represents a community. I think one of the things that I've decided over. The course of this show is already kind of thought it did but I think even more now it shows the different people from different walks of life can get into the same thing and it can bring people together and I really enjoy that Yeah no completely and I think yeah just showing the different interest levels. I think is really different. Interests from different groups of people is really cool. I think maybe some of the SOMAC- bias but like I okay. So I watched a interview with not an interview but it was a livestream. That boone did on his own Yeah his Youtube Channel. Is Him Tyler Sam and then mark comes in? Oh Yeah I was GonNa Watch that one. Okay Yeah I only watched like ten minutes early but but yeah seeing their setups and stuff you can tell that these guys just have time energy and commitment to like want to like to practice all of these things because I mean they're they're setups are crazy. It's like yours times ten and I think yours is insane so anyway so Tyler Tyler name you win here and we have Aaron and Christian eliminated which makes our final. Three teams tyler. Any Mark Boone and Sam and Jessica and these are the three teams that we have going into the star wars episode. Summary Say you are a big star wars fan so like you said. I'm sure this was a very exciting challenge for you. Yeah definitely resonated with me when they're interviewing booed and he's talking about. I bought the first Lego Star Wars sets back in one thousand nine hundred nine. Because that's totally me and I still have them as well. They're not put together currently but I can see. Actually one of the booklets right now because I've been organizing so so. Yeah I was really interested to see where this episode was going to go and excited to see the enthusiasm of everybody even just coming into the room and seeing you the droid standing there sitting there. I guess destroyed. Standard therapy stands right. I would think R. Two D. Two stands. Kinda has legs if you have legs. He's got yeah he's got the two little legs on the sides and then the back where he kinda rolls around I guess. Bb sits like droid anatomy. I was not well. You know what I'm here to challenge right just learning learning learning right any other nerds out there. No the answer. Let us know Disney. Sit or you stay on the pressing question that you need to know to. You have to have legs in a but for those things to happen man all right well. This is This episode was actually kind of split up into a two part Chow. Not kind of it was. It was split up into a two part challenge. We had the droid sort of mini challenge and then the building the scene from Star Wars Component. I thought this was fun to be able to sort of have these two different pieces with only three teams. I can see why they would WANNA do these. Two different builds. Yeah you get a lot. More focus on strengths and weaknesses for different styles of building. You've got all the motion and the that goes into the droids and being able to do the more technical stuff and then you've got the kind of creativity artistic side of recreating a scene in Lego. Yeah right exactly. They really tested two different types of LEGO BUILDING. A bility's although storyline here was still really important. Because like Mark Boone got their critique from Jamie and amy which oh by the way them dressed up as with like the layabout. Evil Empire Leah because like all the dark and then Jamie my first thought was not Jedi was joa. Oh okay there was like oh. I don't think that's what he's going for okay. This is going to sound super super mean but just because amy is so tall and Tom and I get it but like Jamie looked a little bit like a Lord of the Rings Hop so yes yes. Tyler. I reminded me of a hobby. Not Tyler. Wow Oh my God. Yeah no I definitely think the stature did not help his trying to look like because they just had the the hood on. I know I know lightsaber. At least he did but it was hidden. That could be but yeah. I definitely went to jal I which is probably not the intense giving the little is glowing is okay all right so droids would you think about these three different droid builds from our three remaining teams. I They I thought they are. All you know decently unique and I think they did a good job trying to kind of fit him into the universe. marketing boone. I felt word the bigger can of nerds about it a little bit. Just because they were there build seemed more what I picture when I picture especially like the first episodes four through six star wars and I like that. They've built a story into it. They took time to do that. And one of the building techniques that they did was he made that little ball bearing rotating platform for the droid to turn on which was really cool. SALMON JESSICA WITH THEIR MP. Three music drive. That just seemed very them and for not being good. Mechanical things like the I ride in the you know that they had that flung the little bumper car guy off. I think they've come a long way. As far as being stuff that yeah they. There's was a technical stuff aside. There's as my favorite because it was so cute and it was at Wang Jerome. And then it had a little slot for the tips and the back. Shed was really really cute. Also I can get the critique that I feel like mark and boons and Tyler Amy's robots probably into the Star Wars universe. Maybe a little bit better. Although Salmon Jessica's was really whimsical and I could potentially see that is a very small component on the side of one of the scenes. You know that there's like an Easter egg to make you laugh. Yeah right no I completely agree and I did like the Tyler. Amy went for the milk for some reason. The name of their droid was bothering me. Am I? Don't know why but that will just leave it at that. What was what was the name of Troy? Easy peasy Oh yeah. Easy peasy ready room to worldwide my critique. Yeah number but yeah either I mean although so apparently I was getting annoyed because it in all caps in my notes I wrote. You're winning. We get it so yeah. Yeah Oh man Super Tyler. Amy Fine whatever whatever yeah they had the weeble wobble the robot which was a good little story. I mean I stay on his job. And he's kind of freaking out about carrying around these foods and stuff but And then the the bonus that they get for winning is choosing their seen. I so I mean it's a good bonus but it seem it doesn't seem as advantageous to me as it could have been maybe right and I don't know if that's me being results oriented tyler amy being able to pick first and then essentially being told. If this wasn't a non elimination episode. You would have gone home so I don't. I don't really know but I think if you have a really clear idea like I think maybe it gave the opportunity to mark in boon to pick the door imperial bunker scene which totally fits. I mean. Remember the very with them. The very first thing that they built was the timber town. Yeah right ride thing so there. Aren't they from like Washington or Portland? I think okay from poorly I was like somewhere in Pacific North West but So yeah so that allowed them to at least pick that one can see him and just trying the door imperial bunker seen as wow. That's true. Yeah yeah the choice. They ended up with the battle of I actually that's one way I went to at first when I was trying to think like would. Which one would I pick just because you do get that really good contrast of Color in action in that scene so they thought they did a good job with that. Yeah I understood why Tyler. Amy went food the at assault on. Hof just because that scene is also so iconic from the start of episode five in the Asir just so cool and they were able to do the one that got tied down that had fallen down and you had the one that was standing and I thought that that was really cool but they did meet a few different other pops of color like the at shooting read was actually in the picture that they use to represent the scene at the beginning so just the one little explosion. I don't think was enough there. Yeah I agree. I think you could have done more like showing you know. One of the snow speeders even shooting the snow rounded or something like having little explosions in the snow or hitting the ad itself you could have had an explosion on there that would have made it. Stand out better. I think ultimately looking at all the options though. I think three best ones were probably chosen because I think one of them was just the Millennium Falcon sitting there like sitting Maher. Yeah Yeah I agree. I think going for the scenes that showed more action. Going on was definitely a good choice. His I guess you could have done. There was the one where it was the. Let's see okay. I'm looking at them right now. Yeah escape from the First Order Star destroyer. That one's kind of action you but that's hard because you're constrained within the bunker you can't you think you want like open worlds. Yeah type of things. Anyway what am I talking? Very talk radio so right now. Yeah all right well. Let's just talk about each of the builds. Who's did you like the best out of all of these final scenes from Star Wars. I actually like seven Jessica's best to not just because I liked that battle scene but I think there's had the best kind of contrasting colors and bold boldness to it whereas I think even in the battle event or while I really liked mark and Boone's you kinda could lose the details just on first glance from you know the way it was shot and so I think it was easier to see some of the interesting parts and Salmon. Jessica's at first you know when you're just glancing by it then Boone's Salmon Jessica seemed to have a texture problem or or maybe it's just a texture problem in terms of the judges because the judges really seemed to like it when you take the studs and you put them studs on the outsides of things. Really praised learning. I feel like every single time. They did it. In the final bill. They did it in episode eight. Oh you use the studs on the outside and Martin in this episode to. Yes exactly. What the trees because it gives them a very tree feel and it also makes it feel like. It's part of the LEGO universe. I think it was. Oh My god Richard Flynn who got the critique a maybe I don't know maybe you'll know better than me of it just being too like British and to smooth yeah for sure in Flint Ha si. I remember two things so this texture concept. I think is something very important that I did not know. Hang until watching the TV show. Oh yeah and I think the inconsistency in there is that they nitpicked on in. There's being Jessica and Sam right right right right. Yeah because it was the oh at this point it's smooth but then here it's Hoekstra. Oh No I think my favorite was marking Boone's probably maybe just because I really like and door everything on indoors concept but I thought that they had the little e walk. That was like flying off of this Peter. I was so cute but even though is just a small little detail you know. I thought that was really neat and I think that's. One of their strengths. Is Building these kind of like green verdicts scenes? Yeah no I agree with that and then also just having those little details of Lake little actions and characters that you have to kind of look a little deeper to see. As far as what's going on in their right you really have to notice details tyler. And Amy how the AG assault on Hof Morita. How did you feel like they did in this This belt I think technically looked really good. They did a good job with the shape of that APPs. And even the base the rebel base in the little power converters that are sticking out and I think it was there kind of big downfall that they just didn't make it hop as much which is a feel like I'm channeling amy. They're making it top with more color and more kind of explosions to bring it out of the scene a little more instead of. Just one kind of one tonal. The ads feel really close to the base like the further away. More space to fill but like scoop them back a bit. Yeah no that's her or you'll have the fallen one close in the other. One is still walking towards it like from the distance. I don't know maybe they got this base. They weren't really able to change it but But Yeah I don't know it just feels incomplete. Maybe it's I have high expectations for Tyler in Amy because of what I've seen them been able enabled to do throughout this competition. It just felt a little like okay. Let's it's it's cool. Yeah right but it's as far as their their bar that themselves. It was not you know low in that away by any means right and it felt like even the little marching storm trooper guys and the rebel guys. They were to orderly like the assault on office very much. Guerrilla warfare chaotic. Yeah exactly it was to to orderly enough lego star wars to know. Yeah see you so we know. We're obviously okay. We'll get to almost the most controversial decision. Feel like in the entire series. Which was the nomination episode that. Cab Tyler and Amy Safe Year. Yeah so rewatching that episode. I caught one thing that will says early on in the episode which I don't know if it was meant to allude to it or not but he actually he's talking to R. Two D. Two for whatever reason and he says something to the effect of normally the judges will choose to leave and who stays in an episode at the end of it. I was like Oh. That's supposed to be a call out lake that they're not doing that because normally so yeah. I didn't catch that the first time around but it was still we. I mean it was nice to this is gonNA sound bad. It was nice to see the Hell Tyler. In Amy that they didn't they wouldn't have made the cut a little bit because they've been so on top of their game that. I like the looks on their faces. Made me think that these guys are. GonNa be sore losers. Don't Oh my God How good that would have been. Okay look here's the thing with reality television. They are creating storylines highlighted. Amy Our villains are the villains whether or not they WANNA be they are the villains says nothing about Tyler and amy is people but that's the way that they are being portrayed on the show and that's the way that I feel about them and so yes I get it. I know that it feels harsh but like at the same ties like you guys suck outside their amazing like deserved to the whole thing but at the same time. It's just nice to have this moment of finally yes exactly like yes that was very rewarding as a TV viewer. Yes no that's fair and I you know I've heard a little bit of like. Oh this was controversy like this was put in last minute but I think if I don't think it would have been planned Bradley planned. You want to go into the finale with teams. I know exactly. I think it's way more exciting to have three teams in the finale. One thing actually that we talked about in the first episode because they had a non elimination there was no. Do you think we're going to have one again and I was like. I don't think so unless we get like a really strong group and they want to keep them all it was like. Maybe that's that's what this was. Maybe I saw something the beginning. 'cause I say both things so I think about like Oh if marketing boon had been saved here. Would you think the same thing you know right? That's true I probably weren't have right so I think that this had been there all along though again. Why didn't they do it with good versus evil episode? Really don't get it right. I would do it and yes yes. That's what I what I thought was going to happen when you have. These teams are paired together. Ba fine producers. Who could have needed to time travel to make my cheeks happen? But there's always next exactly do this pairing. They don't send anybody homo now. Maybe it's cheaper nickel with. We Know Leon is watching acid. Mix it up or maybe they were just going to be a non elimination of a sudden. I'm sorry this bake sale is to bake sale through Jamie and makes a comment like. Why are the robots? I basically eat. That's that was the moment I was like. Thank you Jamie. Thank you not all logical ongoing universe. Their Lego and no one eats was a rough somebody. All right okay. So episode. Nine concludes any other thoughts about the star wars episode. Now I just really enjoyed it. I thought it brought a lot of fun to it and it was exciting seeing salmon. Jessica you know even though they were in the bottom two. That's still the top to the same time and they just seemed so excited to still be there to be able to go through written as fun episode to watch. Just everybody seems so excited before we talk about the finale. Let's take a break to hear a word from our sponsors and we are back. Ok Finale who who? So we have our three teams we we we made it. They made it. Everybody made it mark and Sam Jessica and Tyler Amy and they are allowed to build whatever they want. Yeah it's like when they first announced it I was like. Oh yeah that's cool and then I started thinking about it. It was like how do you decide? What's a bill that's to me? That's a harder challenge than having something to go off of I right. I thought it was interesting because I where did I see it comment or question about those i? Somebody had suggested that they should have. They should have had to build something that would have been a set like would have had to have been marketed and sold. Because you know that is an important skill. That's what Jamie and amy do for a living and so I think that that would have been cool but other other than that idea. I do like the concept of just being able to build whatever you want and I think this is also where you have to remember everything at the like ultimately. It's the judge's decision you have to remember all the little things that the judges say and storytelling for some reason is like the big thing it has. It has to be storytelling. Yeah and I think that really came into play. I mean they've been stressing this whole season. You need to tell the story without telling US literally telling us the story and this is where that came in because when it came down to the final judging. That's what it was is. They've just wandered around like you would at legal land you know and look at these bills without the builders being there so if I it was a good combination I think it allowed the teams to build with their stat. Which is going to be a strength. Makes it a little harder to judge? Because they're building different things but yeah as far as the concepts I I think maybe I think they could incorporate an episode. Maybe next season though. That's like okay. Build a set that you would sell or make you know because all these sets are built into universes like the old school space guys yet tron and Tron and all this and so maybe build your team. What would your theme be? If you could build a set that would be a cool up so dec- next season of course I'm tron. Of course I've been I've been playing animal crossing and one of the things I've been doing is built is in the design studio. I've been making shirts and hoodies of lego designs lately. What is the crossover episode? Absolutely so we got a question from Travis who is asking did Marketing Boon make tactical error in not building any characters in their final build after the judges clearly preferring characters all season Marie. So what do you think I think yes I? I think 'cause I think and obviously we'll get more into this but it. The builds that they really liked were actually pretty clean builds. Yes with some just little mini figs stories but then they had these bigger grandiose characters in it so yeah I agree I think. That's I mean. Mark in Boone. Did what they do best but they could have done better. I think if they have built some characters on it one hundred percent agree and this is of course the Saturday morning. Quarterbacking of being able to watch the edited show and to see all the judges critiques and to not have to build for twenty four frightening hours. Yeah I definitely glad I did. Stick with my. I'm GONNA do every challenge sake. Oh my God I was. I was like do they get. I mean even if they made them put on the same clothes like the makeup looked the same for all of them. Oh Yeah yes. I think they build for twenty dollars. It's frigging adrenaline. But my God like getting weird decisions at the end. You things being missed that you might have done if you'd like to twelve hour days or something but the one hundred percent. I mean for the builds themselves but then also just for listening to what the judges are saying. Your mind is such mush and all the other bills were even you know. Twelve fifteen hours. Plus I'm sure they had to be up hair and makeup all that stuff. I mean probably themselves but like before know even went to the thing then they had all the judging that separate from the Internet. I mean like these are pro. We're probably talking like super super long days for all of this so it's hard to remember all of the judges critiques. But that being said I totally agree with you. They really seem to like the clean build. And that was what I was saying with marketing. Boone building on what? I will describe as legos scale whereas Tyler. Amy Built these larger characters. That really have the creative parts usage that just were really dynamic and really fun to watch whereas I feel like mark and Boone's was really cluttered. Yeah it was cool but it just. I didn't know where to look. And maybe if I'd been at Legoland it would have been a different thing. I think that Tyler Amy probably had the best build out of all of them. Yeah I agree. I've I've really like Salmon Jessica's peacock though only count. That thing was being loud asked us a question. How did how did that gorgeous? Peacock coming third place. Yes seriously and that is a peacock for two years for Halloween. When I was a kid we glued feathers to a fan and lake at strapped. It to my button is those are great costume. But Yeah so. I'm also a sucker for peacocks. Apparently but then and then they're a little monkey like pulling it. I think they almost hit that a little too much. I think they had made that more obvious. They might have done a little bit better but yeah that peak ibises amazing that that Picot with the monkey that reminded me of being legal land. And you you have both sides where you can. You can go to both sides. Oh Yeah you know where? It's kind of like in the middle and the rope in the grass. Whatever and you walk around like Oh that's cool from the the outside around you see this whole other story in the back. I thought that was really cool. I actually thought that Salmon Jessica deserve to be second and Jennifer has a comments last question about this but I definitely think that she asked. I definitely think that mark and boone deserve third if we're considering the last builds alone. Did they get second? Because of their overall body of work and I probably would agree with that question slash comment. Yeah because there was. There's was a lot more cluttered looking and and even I mean they had so they make this twist announcement in the middle saying that. Okay your bill is going to be displayed at. The new Legoland resort in New York and Mark Boone's build is great but they've got that interactive. Pc can't really do at Legoland as much probably or their. They'd have to be something to show that motion that they added to it with their little paintbrush thing which was way cool but yeah I think Salmon Jessica's would have been a better display there as well so Yeah Yeah right exactly I. I think you could have been away for it to work but I think if I had to rank the three builds I think I would probably say Tyler and Amy Salmon Jessica and then Martin might one-two-three. Yeah No. I could see that unless I had more time to look at mark and Boone's because you get Salmon Jessica's right away you get tyler in. Amy's right away and they have some little details hidden still but at margin boone's it was. It was hard to get the whole picture of what it was. Just pray for slaves and I think that goes to what you were saying about the judging criteria when you have people that are building these radically different things. How do you judge them? Because let's say you have instead of tyler or Damian Janey maybe you have some other brick masters that really prefer mark and Boone's style of built like I feel almost a little bit like I'm conditioned to like a certain type of bill because that's what Jamie and amy like. Yeah I could see that but and I mean I keep bringing it back to Leo and but that's kind of what they were based on this off of to as you know what would be what would looks like it would fit in really well even Lego. Land like in the cityscapes. You've got these big skyscrapers but the whole thing is not filled with scenes. Necessarily you know the story is our our little. Kinda to the point. Yeah yeah well. That's what I'm trying to remember to like. Okay what I remember from when I was like a was I dad taking like I I remember. I remember driving in the cars. I really liked the car. Ride Dr Mika but anyway in case the actual lego parts of this I remember I remember the same thing. I don't remember things being so cluttered and I even remember them building not they weren't Lego mini figures. They would build people out of lego hearts. Yeah there were like a few inches high or yeah right yeah exactly. And then how they built this dynamic world and so I think that's another reason why if they're going off of quote unquote land criteria then makes sense. Why market boone would probably be penalized for that so even though I think mark more probably the fan favorite to to win. Yeah I mean obviously like you mentioned earlier editing but I they were my favorite team overall. I think two and let's see we got the family visit also in this episode. Yeah with the big reveal because we got to reveal this time. Oh right yes. Of course I don't know if you know this tyler and Aamir pregnant build was built around that so there you know so that at the beginning they have our billed as mockup of what they're going to build for the full build and the judges come around and look at it and give him advice and then they go to the full build and one of the things that amy said is parental protection is very important to us. Oh Sorry. The helicopter. Parents were shore. Yeah I mean I guess she's already what was it was like a griffin thing. What did the old yeah? It was a griffin that was scaring off lizard monster the wings on nothing. We're so cool. How they did that. Second FLAPPY FLAP. Yeah. Flappy flap is a technical. Yeah I believe you know. I've learned to love show technical term. I heard Jamie uses flappy. Yes your flappy flaps. They're looking great. No they did a good job. Well it was kind of funny and maybe it was the way it was edited but it seemed like Tyler was doing nothing but trying to build this one griffin and she was doing like everything else like Bill Matala and build the base. I thought that was kind of funny. Going back to the tower. I mean in the very first episode. They had that cool tower where they had their egg drop in their amusement parks so towers have always been kind of their strong suit. It seems like so when I was listening to the Boone livestream thing or whatever that they did Tyler said that before the show him. And Amy sat down and they wrote down a bunch of different stories that they could do and one of them were good and they had a lot of good versus evil kind of concept and so they kind of went in with this arsenal of ideas that then they could just apply to all of these different challenges and so. I think they did some stuff on the fly but they also had these other sort of concepts in their back pocket. Which I think is a good idea. No one of them Gotcha Yeah the yeah the family okay. So what was the funny moment? I think it was one of the like one of someone's Dad. Either Tyler. Amy's dad doing the kind of like Zombie Walk. Did you catch that? When she told him that she is pregnant. And he looked like he was like kind of walk into fall over almost. Yeah I was like okay either. He's having a heart attack or he's turning into Zombie. I'm not sure what I also. I enjoyed mark stabbed to where you will learn that says. Oh that's the longest answer that marks given us you know. Does he talk a lot at home? Apple doesn't fall far from the way it was also. I really liked the juxtaposition of having boone with his family where it's his kids and his wife and then mark and his parents like some reason that made me so happy like kids little kids. Yeah Yeah now those cute. They're good team together. And then we got the family back for the final judging as well as all of the eliminated team and I'm assuming some cast because there's a lot more people there. There were a lot of people like the crew allowed to come out. There's like some Rando in the back wearing a blazer like who is she. I don't know probably like the whole crew people that just put the legos away. The end of the show entirely and take that many people. Yeah we got a question from Schon. Who asked did. Y'All get excited as I did when they kept cutting car. Her Reaction Yes. I was so happy to see her again. She was just so excited. Her mouth wasn't open as much notice but no is hoping for more in fact I'd like they could have done more more cuts to her absolutely but yeah no blood sooner and then we also got okay so we sort of got the three different conclusions with the three different teams. I thought Salmon Jessica's story about their relationship was really compelling. Yeah and watching their story throughout the whole episode of the whole season was great because that was. That was a team that like at the beginning when I was realistic to our first episode recap. We talked about how fast it went. And you didn't really connect with anything in your life. Yes Salmon Jessica went home. I have no emotional attachment to them and now they're your favorite song. I've grown as a person I know. Change me you've also got to learn about them so you know how to yeah. I really liked their. Their Story. Are If you put it that way because it is editing. Yeah man I enjoyed seeing what they do and they still. I follow him now on twitter and instagram and stuff and they're still doing stuff and livestream it ends up. Okay while La well. Who did you think deserve to win? I I agree tyler. Namie not like them. I think I agree. I feel like the whole time leg like Stepford way too much. Pda stuff not. There's something I don't. Maybe it's the editing but I would have liked to see them in the bottom two twice just to see what it looks like. Not just the ones that they didn't get eliminated of something off about their dynamic. There's there's there's just something about people who are too good that you're like yeah. That's why I'm so bad at stuff I just want to me. You'll have self-doubt what's wrong with you. Come through and Positive Syndrome seriously. We'll tell me you. Listen back to our previous podcast. Tell me about some other stuff that we said so. Let me pull up this little list here. One thing that. I'm very disappointed that you did not do that. You said you were going to is start using holy tomato. Oh Holy Tomato. You're going to start using that on a daily basis that immediately love to my mind after we were recording. Try Now I'M GONNA try no ARA- okay. So another thing is from the very first episode. We started calling Aaron Christian Dude Roads so that definitely did not change at all so that was a good one. We got that we also talked about the PDA with Tyler. In Amy in the first episode and how we would have been like in our guesses about who is GonNa make it towards the final. You know we were talking about who should have been booted. That episode is like now Tyler Amy Too. Good to get booted. But I said something about two of noxious to watch the full at age twelve. Th this is aged world corner over here to be fair. I use green. It just so happened. They did last season right and then the other big one was. We're talking about Christian. Aaron getting the Golden Brick in that episode. And I I was like Oh. They can't give out a golden break every time because that would be ridiculous and they didn't which was side but we did get to see it one more time but the other thing is you know. We talked about the fact that in the previews for the season. They showed the building falling over. And so we're like all that's know. I bet they could use the break in that episode and turns out they didn't have the brick by the time that game around so long man too late but late interesting. Yeah so that was some of the fun stuff. We never did come up with a team name for US though. Our team names out there if we were to play all right. We'll people suggest team names for us because clearly we're not creative with our own. Jay Think probably does not bode well on the show and if we I was debating this to like maybe we could vote on the team name or something and then I can do a little league field of IT. That would be cute then. We have to come with options. Well okay. Let's go nuts. I mean it's alliterative. It's Nice Guy. Yeah Yeah Man alliteration. Yeah I forgot because all the teams had names right. Yeah yeah they did have names going back and I don't remember most of them are at all even though you went through in the first episode but I did not read 'em known Christian were Clark Kent and Superman Your Batman Superhero parent. The wrong pair rates again crossover episode. Let's see crystal. And Amy were the unicorns Mellon Germain were the East Coast Brick Brixton Stirs Jesse and Kara were the air. The closer to God does a terrible team. Names like not as hard head on out. Yeah exactly whatever. Manny and. Nestor were father and son. Bff's sister squad is like right in. Oh yeah all garbage marken. Boone were the bearded builders that kind of fits their Richard and Flynn were the married. Thespians Jessica were the ECCENTRICS and let's see Trabzon Cory brothers who bric brick. We probably suggested that. That's the one that started the whole thing. That's terrible tyler. Aamir the newlyweds The other thing so we are talking about how teams were too many for this season premiere and I can see why it was an hour since you know new new show all that do you think they do like a two hour season premiere next time. Okay either two hour season premiere or pull a trick out of many reality. Tv shows books and do hats books. Page out of books tricks out of hats. Liana come on get it together. Whatever pull it pull a rabbit out of your hat? And do a split. The teams split the million the two different groups do a two episode premiere where you meet five teams in episode one five teams and episode. Do do a non Elim fine. That's fine repulsed drag race. Did that this go round which I think worked fine because then at least you get a chance to kind of meet the teams for you. Throw them all together. Yeah Ray kind of this like mess. So yeah I think that would be something if they get renewed for season two. Do we know if they're renewed for season two? I mean obviously corona virus. They are renewed. They are renewed. Actually it was in episode eight. That will Arnett Alluded TO IT. Because our was it. Yeah it was eight. Because Martin turn in their golden brick and wilburns. The Cameron says okay. We'll keep the safe until next season. And then he raises eyebrows but yelled often. They're taking fasting calls right now for Okay so I didn't know if that was them calling their shots of being like if we say this you'll have to renew us fair considering the source. I could see that. Okay all right. Yeah that's good Jennifer Asif. Have we applied for a season to obviously not? We don't don't have awesome team. Name gotTa have the team named first. Then I'll teach on how to build illegals I do not want to build for twenty four hours. I'm usually game for pretty much anything lake. I'll sure why not. Let's live life. Let's do it but building Legos or twenty four hours. Sounds like frigging torture. Like no thank. I would totally do it. I guess I gotTa meet somebody either in Lagos store or online somewhere. Yes do have beat the Jessica of next season. You just have to find your SAM instead of bows. Maybe we'll do bow ties. L. Totally not be you know you in a bow tie is gonNA look ridiculous. It's terrible I don't have a large to begin. Yeah you don't have a long enough next look good. It would look like you have known that because he has. Your neck is being that my round face. I look like Ernie okay. How about a hat and a book about half? Oh I could. Do you remember how we used to make. Easter hats can totally wear a different Easter. We made Easter your remember that yeah bows and flowers like glue them on. That's your round. Okay I was Brad Yes yes. He has a picture with a top hat and a top hat. You're still you're still on the P. Talk build was allison wonderland or like. Yeah Okay Oh man. We can wear matching dresses Easter. We could totally do that. And then look more like the shining twins perfectly so as long as you are a bore on your neck whole terabyte him all right okay. Let's see what other questions do. We have which thank you to? Everybody who question was a lot of fun. Okay so a few people asked about this Sean and Travis but essentially the concept of this design a marketable logos asset task and if there was one was there any teams builds that we would want to buy as a set. I think the Peacock One. You would like the objection. One right. Yeah I would. I mean Lego even had education line for a little while but I would still buy more of that for sure. I think in the amusement park builds I did like space filled in marketing boone's filled. That would have been fun to buy as well. Yeah I'm trying to go back through the old episodes realizing I've forgotten like I can tell what my favorite episodes work as I forgot half the others so the Sunnis the space challenge would be cool. I think anything where you get to build a planet is pretty cool so that one would be i. Think Salmon Jessica's built. I think it was the fire hydrant where they have water creature. That was really cool with the made a mermaid that was cool and it kind of reminded me of this the final bill to because that was one where when you look at the fire hydrant side of it all you see. Is this water coming out? And then you turn it around. And that's where the Mermaid and all the magical Steph was see the okay remembering those types of things are like. Oh yes. That's why Salmon Jessica deserve to be in the final three because I think there's a lot of question of like. Oh they like by Blah Blah Blah. They're not as good and yes. There are things that they struggle with for sure. And there's a reason why they were third place but builds like that bills like they did with the Star wars build like they really talented the peacock like there's they can do really really cool things and I think that they deserve to be in the finale. I think Sam even said himself like we thought we were hoping to be Like v O surprise for them as well. No they seem really excited. That was actually one thing Christian said in the code that they got eliminated in is when they were up against those those two in the elimination they cut to one of the little monologues and Christian was saying. I wish I could give them. You know my confidence because they they should be way more confident in what they're building because they're also which I thought was really sweet. They're like really cute. Sweet underdogs that's character is also Samuel is wearing a Dolly parton shirt in that stream that he did. I believe that he did some Dolly Parton a mosaic builds lately. Actually yeah he has a Madonna one. He has a Princess Leia. One are all really cool and so I mean that's amazing. Okay Noah asks what do you or who do you think would be the team's most likely to return for an all-star season assuming that an all-star season what happened one day I hope so mark and boom for sure. Oh Yeah for sure and then I could still definitely see Salmon Jessica. Actually I could see Salmon Jessica. I could see Aaron and Christian. I think those are really the teams. Maybe if you're going to bring back kind of like a fan favorite team that's probably going to be out early. But as they are more is like a second chance you could have a manny. Nestor comeback or maybe Travis and Corey. I would like to see again. They were the brothers. Yeah right I'd like to see him in Richard again. They had that clock in the split in half episode. That was wake of course Jesse and Kara the duck ladies. Yes deserves to be back at second chance absolutely so many folks there challenge. You can only build things. One giant duck ducks. Well I think I think that's all we have anything else. You WanNa talk about before we hop off. Let's say my last little comment is we did not get to see Franklin. So that's you know said off. Oh No you know what we did get another. Who Do you think is about? She you watch the massing. Theresa who do you think is a better host will or nick? I enjoy will better. But he's more my style comedy and he had like the final episode. You had that little caught in the back that he was saying something about. I think I've got a better setup the nick cannon so it almost seems like they're setting it up as these are Fox's to like family oriented reality shows get some revelry between them or something and they're back to back like totally makes sense. I think they're very very different styles and they also host very very different shows so I think nick cannon hosting Go Masters. It might not work as well if you have will hosting the singer. It's not gonNA work so they're both you know on the shows that they should be. I think will I agree with you? Wills probably more my sense of humor but I think there's a really great job. You may disagree. I think nick does a great job with With CAESARS AMERICA'S GOT TALENT. So yeah all your a blast. Yeah this was fine. I'm really happy that we did this. Yeah me too. That was actually one thing. You said in the beginning episode. Is You when you introduce me or it's a family affair and I swear I haven't forced her to do this which I think it was more the other way around mom would start. Donna. I want a podcast about. Hey so the show reality. I don't watch TV but this one. I'll do this one. Yeah well actually. I was talking with Shannon Gus. One of the other podcasters on the network and she and I were talking about it was like I think I'm actually watched the Australian version of the she also because the new season of masters a you is coming out soon so it was like no. I assure watch episode one and there's a British version to apparently there is. Yeah if you want to watch like masters there's a lot out there I will. I will. Yeah let's see so. I'm looking okay. So lego masters the UK version only has four episodes in season one six episodes in season to an AU version. Is I think more like the US version. It's got nine episodes total well in the the clips that I saw the first season of the British version. It's a lot less polished and kind of theatrical because it it's like you know a dad and his kid and it's like you know a few little teams in its. I think it was definitely a building ground for where it's at now but yeah it grew out of a different beast just like the mermaid grew out of the fire hydrant. Yes the builds all right. Well Marisha people can find you on twitter at seditionists year while you are. Yeah Yeah. I'm on their occasionally little more than I used to be when we first started this episode. I said I'm never on it so you know. That's good percentage. It's very large improvement. It's probably like five hundred percent. Pretty good flop math. Yeah Wow you can find me on social media. Liana are H. I. M. podcasting about survivor. Rj BNB. Mike Bloom and I are going to have survivor. Contestant Lauren O'CONNELL on this week which is going to be so much fun. Lauren has no idea what she's in for. And that's GonNa make for a great show. I'm also podcasting about Rupaul. Drag race with Brent. Welcome on and Amman Edwin talking about whatever this challenge was I watched Zodiac no spoilers and the Massingir of course with pujols and Vakili. We talked about the spectacular. No sorry these super duper Singalong spectacular episode for. Probably about twenty minutes. We just talked about random other crap for remaining time. Yeah good use of our time all right well with that we will leave you with of course the most amazing quote season. Which is if you can brickley. You can bill C.
Ep 25: Benedictions
"The following podcast contains language and subject matter that some listeners may find disturbing. Listener discretion is advised. I'm standing at forty first and Plaski. This is where Liquan McDonald was shot. Sixteen times. I've probably watched the video that incident over one hundred times in the course of covering this trial on the night. Jason Van Dyke was found guilty of murdering Liquan McDonald, one of our reporters, Shannon Heffernan went to forty. I in Polaski. It was raining and the intersection was bathed in flashing blue lights. Again, four police cars surrounded a man at the bus stop after a few minutes. They drove away when she had an approached him. He seemed to bit rattled at first he was hesitant to be recorded, but then he agreed. I just got pulled over by four cops for no reason sitting here, and they told me, always, we've pulled you over because you're, you're trespassing walking on the sidewalk, four of them. They didn't look happy asked. Him. He had heard about the Van Dyke verdict. He had, and he was glad. I think what he did was excessive and he deserves everything gets. That's my opinion. So do you think having this guilty verdict means that the culture around policing has changed in Chicago that's not going to change nothing. Best not gonna change a damn thing. I mean. It'd be nice if it would, but it's not gonna change shit. I sat here and waited for the bus cop cars pull up and guess what. I was nervous. It was like, I'm afraid to. I'm afraid to be on this corner. Want to go home. I said, I'm try because I'm not trying to get shot. I just got pulled over by four cops for no reason sitting here. Yep, you're buses here and he laughed. I asked him if he'd be willing to share his name, you just tell me what you want. You know what my name, my name is Jesse Velasquez. And these cops out here, they need to grow up. From WBZ Chicago and the Chicago Tribune. This is sixteen shots. The police shooting of Liqun MacDonald. I'm Jen white. Over the past five days. Chicago has been reacting and responding to the murder conviction of officer, Jason Van Dyke tragedy because no one should have had to lose their life apply. Mcdonagh should not have had to make the broken system that everyone knew was broken for years for decades. Gentleman that got killed at a responsibility told bay, the police officer to just stop do what they say, what the knife down yet dot on the ground. The guy was still be alive, Justice, one over a tale of two cities today. And I think as we move forward, we must always remember the Justice. Righteousness is what really matters. Unfortunately, I think this will only further the shifts were police officers. Our bus and less aggressive we have. It's really something that's impacting the community said. I think that, I mean, you so many so many people that they were changing the story and it just happened over and over again. Knowing that that morning, I wake up and I put on that uniform and I'm going to work to protect and serve. I kissed my wife to find my kids defy hoping that I'm going to see on that same day and when your face face to face with this man, that it's either his life or your life. I put myself in his shoes, would I have done the same thing would I have shot this man? Because I felt that my life was in danger and I would never see my family again, my answer to that yet. Supposed to be a big top guy. A big tough guy would have got out of his car with his night, stick. Look, that's a skinny kid, and it's just waved to dick in a safe. And if you had the lack of the Ned Blackman the head, at least it would have been on what he was bird or among those responding to the verdict. Chicago mayor Rahm Emanuel. The jury. Did their job and their work, but our job is a city is not done. You know, over one hundred years, there've been seven individual attempts to making reforms of the police department in enhancing community police relationships. I believe that the course we're on today, led by superintendent Johnson and the leadership of the police department, and all of us. Our work is a head of us, although we've done a lot over the last two years, we still have a lot of work ahead of us. So the the jury did their job. They're in this episode. We go back to some of the people and places we visited throughout this podcast and ask how people are making sense of the verdict on the night. The verdict came down WBZ's Patrick Smith caught up again with two of Liqun. McDonald's close friends, Aaron Wilson, and Christian pool in the neighborhood on Chicago's west side where look on McDonald's, spent a lot of his life. We'll law, I will or we all will sue grew up at the eight hundred eight hundred block. You know what I'm saying? This is where it all started at where we jumped off that port Chet. In that corner. Right there is where you guys used to hang out and would hang out with with Liqun, right? Yup. I talked to Aaron and Christian on the front porch of a house that's now abandoned. It used to be the family home of one of their best friends. The porch is just a few doors down from the spot where Aaron Christian and the Quan would hang out, get high and roast each other. And it's just a few blocks from the front porch where Shannon and I, I interviewed them before Van Dyke trial started when they described the Kwan's unique walk his fun, loving personality, and his Bobby schmor- to dance. Since we talked Ahrends gone through a rough patch, he picked up a couple of battery charges and lost his job because of them. But Christians doing better. He got a job at McDonald's on the south side and he's living with his sister near there. What do you think about the verdict? Did you watch it? I know you were working. Did you watch it? Of course I went live on my Facebook. You know what I'm saying? I had my little phone, not watching it. I kind of put a smile on my face. 'cause like finally, like, you know what I'm saying? We gotta logistics. You can go to sleep. I ain't gotta stay up all night. You know what I'm saying? Thinking about neverthe- in all that now consensus. You know what I'm saying? Settled in all that I can give me some resting earlier. Now. Yes, since day one, you know what I'm saying? Since it happened in the whole trout 'em taking it to trial, it's been on my mind. I resent, you know what I'm saying? Like it's it's twenty eighteen. Now that happened in twenty fourteen October twenty Christian. You're at work. When you found out, what do you think about the verdict? I'm happy in a sense, but then like, you know. Did you have? Did you have like when they charged with the second degree murder, did you can react in some type of way? Did you they was going to do the first degree or would you satisfied with oil like once. They said like he was Nali charged with second degree. He was also charged with sixteen council of aggravated battery, like right for that should count to. So all that shit going add up. You know what I mean? Like he now the Van Dyke he feel like what we go through, like what these people put us through, like the police, what they, you know, they make our life heart the people, you know, whether they knew the quantum not. Were they paying close attention to this, the people I know? Yeah, most definitely like all all on Facebook, all my friends, they they making status is like, you know, about the verdict in the trial and all that. So I know they care about it. Oh, I got my job like they was all I Christian. You're not gonna watch you not gonna watch it. I mean, like people were, they were watching that didn't even knew him, but I feel like it's more been him should have paid for like this, like the people who dyke had to go to tail history like his bosses and shit. Like why did he do that? Like I feel I more than him Shapiro for that shit. So there is actually next month there's going to be a trial for three other officers, then you guys aren't new. This three other officers who were charged with with trying to cover up the shootings. You guys know that mall. So the officers to has something to do with it to cover up for some shit that they homey. Did you know what I mean? And I feel like they should pay for that shit too. That's just like, you know what I mean? Like if I was going to do a drill aero eight thousand car with me and the police also they would live both us up because they felt like he has some shit to do with that shit too. If you want. I'm saying, why are they going to book both? Everybody who have. Parsons shit who knew about that ship before we knew about that shit for they her pay for that shit on Brocha pay for that shit. So the defense Van Dyke attorney put on a bunch of witnesses who were supposed to basically say that liquid McDonald was like a bad kid. They describe the quantum as a monster. At one point they said he had huge bugged out is I wonder what you think about that. They don't know him like, well. Who who who take you back here. He wanted, you know what I'm saying? Like that. I mean, of course, we the air buddy. Ain't nobody. Perfect. So what what did they mean by right kid? Who gets that's why I'd be saying like, who gives somebody else that power to say like somebody was, but you don't know what people being grew up to how you going judge. How are you going to judge by someone? Look, come on now, right? You can't judge no book bottom cover. You gotta read that book. He babies. Seniors to Lille like to learn like people learn for nameless things like say, go, hey. Oh, hey. Somebody look over his problems a why he was going through again, that chance to like for like, just because everybody we all wasn't born. Like with the seal respond. I'm fucking mouth full hail. Now you ain't ain't no way to judge nobody. Barry. Where the the first time we talked on the porch, you said there's nothing going to change about these police. Does this verdict make you believe that may be something we'll get better? Am our general manager asked me the same thing like maybe this is a this is a step asong for stuff to change, and you know my response to her was. This is twenty eighteen two thousand eighteen years. I passed name shit done. Change. Aaron, do you think it'll change at all or this? Do you think this verdict in particular is a sign that things could get better? I mean, maybe in a way, you know what I'm saying? I think things don't count down. We're gonna try to make it better. You know what I'm saying about all this. That happened to him. So, yeah, in a way. What do you say? Police officers who upset that Van Dyke was convicted. They say because they know that he did was fucked up and not right. So own see how the hell they can be upset about that situation. And what I think about like all police that fill like all man, Van Dyke shouldn't got this for y'all ass. Get that shit too. If y'all feel like ain't got where he does her for y'all. Them crooked Fugger. That's on this force to. The feeling is entirely different in Garfield ridge in clearing a pair of neighborhoods near midway airport on Chicago, south west side, Jason Van Dyke family lives. There. Chicago has a rule for all its employees. They have to live within city limits. This is a place where many White City employees flocked decades ago when their own abor hoods turned African American and Latino garbage man firemen, police officers. Mark Shrek is a fifty four year old industrial mechanic. He told chip Mitchell about the neighborhood. We have a large Hispanic community, everything else. We got some black people polish community, regular white people. You know, my wife Italian just a little bit everybody around here. Oh, mostly mostly white. Nice community, very solid. We got Garfield ridge watchdogs and stuff. We stay real net and stuff and what what's watchdogs? Oh, it's it's a website, you know, for people living Garfield and clearing and stuff. And we communicate real quickly because we love this neighborhood and we don't wanna get torn up going to hell. We'd wanna turn it into one of the neighborhoods that are all tour around here. You know, you know, when that thing was going on, everybody's on watchdogs and stuff. You know that. Thing was vandyke trial. I met Shrek on his way out of a mass at Saint Jane Chantal church. It's a modernist building with zigzagging roof line where the Van Dyke SCO was Sunday two days after the verdict after sheriff's deputies took the officer away. Schreck said he had just served communion to van dykes wife and daughters, but said, I don't know what to say except give them a look and they know impre inform to shameful situation. It's horrible. You know, that trial should not have been in Cook County. That man did not receive a fair trial at all. When you talk with people in this part of town, you hear it over and over the officer was just doing his job and got a bad deal. And you hear something else about the verdict relief. I was worried by riots as worried about people burned down the city as what I was worried about. Coming into this neighborhood, the protests around McDonald's shooting in Van Dyke trial have been peaceful, but even the parish priest, then dykes priest, even he feels relief. His name's Ed Cronin. We spoke in the church rectory a police SUV. She was Aisling just outside the department at started posting officers there during the trial when a threatening call warned Cronin to quit speaking in Van Dyke defense, to be honest with you, I did feel relief. You'll did a verdict came down a guilty verdict guilty verdict into say, Jason, you know, I'm sorry, it had to be you this had to happen. You know what I mean? Jason knew it was gonna probably come down this way was it has had to happen this way because the city was almost up for grabs. I could feel the enema city in the some of some of the just downright hatred toward police toward him is family toward me. You know his, his pastor in the parish, none of this was going to be resolved. If he came down with a, you know, an innocent verdict. He had to be convicted to help save this whole city. This whole mess with the police, the city needed to be healed. Is it still just a met? Sure. Jason was still in the line of duty. It was excessive what he did, but nobody knows his perspective what he was standing in, you know, at the time what would be right for the city and just for Jason Van Dyke right now, in terms of his custody, his bail was revoked, and his sentencing. God's mercy is for everyone even the one who is supposedly the worst among us. But for that with that, there has to be also repentance. I know that you know, Jason knows that, you know and he'll do whatever needs to be done for the has been doing penance. You know for this, some people would argue that healing the community means Justice along prison term. We saw this happen on video for accountability for police officers. He needs to do serious time for it. We're not talking about a mass murderer. Okay. Who really should be put away lacked way for the rest of their life? We're not talking about that. This is a human being. This was a man. This is a father, a husband, okay, in a religious man at that. So if this Justice for a long prison term is hinged to the entire social. Issues with the police department of community to one man. It sounds more revengeful to me. I don't see how that's helpful. I don't see that is pre Christian. Let's use this to come together. Lets us all that angered the of the organizations that are trying to bring forth what they see as injustices done to them by the police. Let's use that for the good of everybody. That's a lot of good energy in there could be a lot of good energy to help save this city. About chip was in Van Dyke Spanish. Shannon Heffernan was at the new mount pilgrim missionary Baptist church on Chicago's west side church members. They're offered a prayer of gratitude for the guilty verdict. Ribbon Marshall hatches the pastor. Here you've heard from him throughout this podcast. He was in the courtroom during parts of the trial, but in a sermon he told his congregation. He purposefully chose not to be there when the verdict was read. Spirit not don't passes. I got a chance to sit right across from miss Van Dyke for most of the trial, it seemed like the closer we got to the verdict. The list figured I would really feel about rejoicing no matter what the outcome was just insane. I time for that kind of brazen felt pretty sober about it actually. So. Sold knowledge. She also told his congregation despite believing that Justice had been done. There was still a long way to go. The celebration needs to be over and we'd get back to work back in his office after the church service. He explained that the goal now was keeping the whole city accountable that wasn't Jason Van Dyke gun that shot that was gone a can't use it that way in our name and the police accountable to us is going to be a long rolled during closing arguments. Dan Herbert, the lawyer for Van Dyke compared the scene to a monster movie. And if we extend that metaphor, the Kwame McDonald would have been the monster. He also said, had it been a boy scout walking down that street, maybe at one or two bene- justified shooting, but it wasn't. It was racist. They hurt their client badly with that strategy. And you think it was a strategy was purposeful. Oh, absolutely. I thought it was purposeful. All of that was dog whistle and not Assata one, and it was winning interested in watching people with fancy law degrees and using these times at talking to this jury as if they thought they were being persuasive and these common people Saul right through the smokescreen churches, huge, big arches, giant stained glass. Windows were scenes from the bible and then some stained glass scenes, the churches at it while you know, churchyard is way interesting. We moved in one of these Catholic buildings and we, you know, kind of made something Matic art to reflect our own story with some of the artists already there in one of our one does, and it's been there for by eighteen years. And then we have one on the great migration. Now they're working on a window that he says will be the third part of that trilogy that is going to be a youth piece window in. It's it's gonna have representations of the for gross from. Mahamne and we also have several young people who victims of the violence in Chicago and being taken into back into the village by Christ figure. They're already raising money and have an illustration of what they hope to do and on that window. If he gets permission from the family, he wants to have the Quan McDonald. The church can literally sanctify people. It's so it's a way of proclaiming something holy, something that God uses in order to advance the causes of Justice as so it means that it may not have mattered to people who thought they went power, but the quantum mad at the God. And that's why in his name, this town has been turned rights Addo. Jason. Van Dyke was transferred this week to a county jail, three hours west of Chicago. He's got his own selves so he separated from other inmates. The plan is to hold him there until sentencing. That could be weeks or even months off. Now that the trial trials ended will be doing far fewer episodes. But when Van Dyke is sentenced will be there and we'll bring you an update will also bring you news about another trial, three officers face charges of conspiring to cover up for Van Dyke after the shooting that trial make it something even deeper and more entrenched in the culture of Chicago policing. It won't be about one officer shooting. One young man. It'll be about a group of officers. Allegedly following a police department code of silence for updates, stay subscribed to sixteen shots. Sixteen shot a production of WBZ Chicago and the Chicago Tribune. It was produced by James Edwards with assistance from Joe Dassault and carry shepherd are reporting team includes Shannon, Heffernan, chip Mitchell, and Patrick Smith. 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Gottlieb - All Ball - KD injury blame game; Lakers' AD trade packages; Finals prediction; Guest: International coach Mike Taylor
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He's also head coach of the Humber towers, that's in Hamburg Germany. And they won the championship in pro a in Germany, which means they bounce up to the top level. We'll talk about his journey from small college basketball players son of a small college. Former big time assistant coach small college head coach to an elite international coach and USB l and g leak stops kind of in the middle should be fun. There's some good storytelling that. You may want to your mouth, the kitties on later on in the show. Okay. I quick promo. The Doug Gottlieb show is every day three to six eastern time twelve three Pacific one more promo next week is the NBA draft the finals will be complete. We'll, we'll crown a champion. We'll talk about it in the second, but we'll do a finals recap, and then it will pretty much be an all draft podcast. And when I'm going to try and do is try and find some kind of unique voices. Get people that coach some of these guys trained, somebody's guys know a little bit more about them than than some of the analysis were able to get on television. And it's not always the fault of the guys on TV because a lot of times having worked in the NBA draft on TV and on radio. I can tell you that you don't always get to give everything you got. And we can be super thorough. So we'll do that next week. Make sure you Tele friend, you download you subscribe, and you rate, let's get to the NBA finals start with Kevin Durant, and his achilles tendon. I'm gonna read for you something that was sent to me by a top surgeon, I guy, I grew up playing basketball with his name is Dr Andy Carrick. And he said, look 'em is can be really hard to interpret sometimes he doesn't even get them doesn't get them he relies on Zam and what happened when Kevin Durant. I did it. He turned around real quick looking for the guy who kicked him. Everyone who tears their achilles says it felt. Like somebody kicked him achilles. Tears can be clean if they're to chop like a rope in half. It's easy to see on the either two free edges separated by fluid. But that's kind of uncommon more commonly. They, they tear such that each looks like the ends of a mop, and these situations MREs will show bridging tissue with no apparent gap. And sometimes there's not much bleeding, so it may not look as bad as it is on mar, I. It can heal in those situations, but takes much longer than they gave it also the calf muscle is not a strong. So if they knew it was torn they likely would have done surgery. And this is the, the opinion of a doctor. I think in an underwhelming MRI plus the please don't let it be the achilles factor played into the diagnosis and decision at tree like a strain. He had thought all along, you know, he pictured the poor doctor who probably deep down thought it might be straying might be a partially torn achilles tendon sweating bullets since it happened, probably said that if it was torn but might have been torn but not certain if it's torn even partially the options are to explore surgically which is to repair. That means you're out for the season or to treat like a strain like they did. But probably need more time. See if it gets better, probably wishful thinking, and it clouded the judgment. Now it's black and white back in six months. Teen team. Will still lined up to pay him. So it's a doctor's opinion on what probably happened. And I don't think it's sinister to have told Kevin Durant. Like look, if it's partially torn, it's gonna go and you're gonna have to get it repaired anyway. And of course, now we know it is torn and it was a no lose for Katie. It's almost roic the way he didn't just come back, but he contributed. And then when his body, let him down. There's no one who could question. How would that replay of the reverberations in his calf? Nobody could question is toughness or desire to help his team. This is generally been a win for Kevin Durant. Even if that means we miss him for most of them, not all of next season, but I do think there's other interesting implications. What does it mean for the off season? What does it mean for the warriors, and what does it mean for these NBA funds? I let let's get to the Anthony Davis likely trade to the LA Lakers, Lakers, are trying to find somebody to take the fourth pick off their hands and get a player. Maybe a guy with a Clint cappella bad contract. That's a that's hard, right. You kind of been over there. Like we gotta get something good for this pick. Tell us how we can make it happen. But it does feel like what I was telling you guys going back to the trade deadline time if New Orleans really could have gotten the kitchen sink deal, they could have gotten Ingram Kouzmin an Lonzo ball. They should've taken it. Because they're not getting all three. And I didn't think I don't think they were getting all three then, but it did get to the point in time where you might have been. It was so ugly with the Lakers becomes so public. Should've taken that deal. I also think it tells you how valuable Lonzo ball is that is he there yet? No is he tremendous defensively. Yes, he also fits with the brand. That's one of the reasons these valuable to Lakers. But, but if you think of this, if this is the way it ends up with New Orleans getting Lonzo ball. They have drew holiday. That's great great defense in the backward. And then you add Brandon Ingram and Zion Williamson like wow. That's yeah, that's, that's not bad bad. And if they get a player for that next pick or I mean, I would try to take the pick and just get Jackson hazing go super young and load up. But I, I think they have a grievance in a good spot here. And I do think that the Lakers have the best. This idea that the Celtics. Even if the Celtics were to offer. I don't know. I mean, I don't feel like. One Jason Tatum. I don't think is as good as both Brandon Ingram. Lonzo ball. And what's to say the Celtics are even willing to part with Jason Tatum. And what else they'll throw into the deal? You know, a little bit of this is kind of like congress, right? Like, yeah, we'll, we'll give you Jason Tatum. Here's what you gotta do K. You're going to have to take this really really bad contract off our hands of Gordon Hayward. Take the Gordon Hayward contract, you can have jase. And then you're like. 'cause that night become limited, again by that contract. So I think he has now the big question for the Lakers. If let's say they pull this off. Let's all I'll have to give up his Lonzo man, Brandon Ingram. Okay. Now, you need a starting two guard. And you starting point guard. And if you're not gonna get Kyrie Irving Kemba Walker. And I don't think that the Hornets Michael Jordan's not going to give him the supermax don't see. It doesn't work for them. Financially doesn't make sense. So what are they had to pay to get the Kemba, Amax D mc- sky, then you gotta find obviously more shooting. And then Anthony Davis, obviously becomes the starting center. And, you know, I guess you could start Josh heart, although heart when he started he just he's in over his head, it feels like maybe with all that other surrounding talent because he just plays hard. And when he makes shots he'll be fine. But feels like they need a couple other veteran players. But that's not a terrible team. If you can get Kemba to go with a D LeBron calicoes MMA, the question, then becomes kindergarten you buddy like no one pays any attention to that. Kuzina hasn't. Lebron doesn't as much anymore. They would go from a dynamic defensive team to one that which you'd have some offense a firepower. So whatever takes whoever they have they need either shooters or defenders. And if they can do both even better, be sure to catch live additions of the Doug Gottlieb show. Weekdays at noon eastern, three PM Pacific on Fox Sports radio and the iheartradio app. Now in regards to the finals. I thought it was amazing that was amazing. Kevin Durant showed his value his toughness how he changes the matchups in an entire series. And then he goes down and the game was going on. But it was almost like an out of body experience. Right. Did anybody else feel that way have an out of body experience where you're like this game's going on? And I don't really care because I'm concerned about. And then you saw the ripple of his calf in the what was rupture of his achilles tendon, and you just felt awful and you but I'll say this about Nick, nurses timeout. I'm hate the momentum killing time out. I understand that. A guy is tired, and that they're going to go at him. And that when you're tired, that's what you miss shots. Let's make turnovers that's defensive lapses but the NBA finals game seven and I greatly disagree with that time out. I just do there are timeouts coming there are moments in which Kawai letter could suck it up and can get some wind and while your guy rest so to disease other team and they got it too. I'm not gonna kill him like it's the world's worst time out. But I hate the we're going on a run. Let's set our defense and get rested, and we'll call a timeout when they're the team. That's really, they were one stop in one basket away from it being over. And instead, they call a time out and it it it completely changed a momentum. And I don't know if that's inexperienced because Knicks coach he's been a head coach several times over but for a championship game in a closeout game when the other team is teetering. You don't let the you don't let the bell gets you to the next round so you can beat up on him. Some, some more, you get right up there and you go for it. You go for it. Maybe one more thought on Kevin Durant, y honestly, I don't put. Hardly any of the blame on the warriors. This is the same medical staff that helped Klay Thompson out when he wanted to play in game three. Snell's sudden, Kevin Durant being forced to play Kevin Durant wants play basketball. They told him what they're and I'm sure he's had his own people. Look at it and he blew out his achilles tendon, it sucks. It was probably torn to begin with he probably had to have surgery in the offseason. Anyway. He was probably gonna be out this much time in this cemented as reality black and white now it does matter. He's actually already had the surgery. But I, I hate how we do this in the media guy gets hurt and we not only blamed somebody would make it out like everybody has these evil intentions. Where's on a bad intentions, like all they want to do is have star players payment, bunch of money and win championships. It's only do I've tried to go get the best of the best, the best. They went seventy three games and a championship in back to back seasons. And they went out and said, how can we get even better, and they're willing to spend whatever it took to get better? So I just that side of it doesn't make have some militia side where you're. Oh, now the sudden, we don't care about somebody's career were just going to send him out there knowing that he could get hurt. Like that's not the reality of how people work, they actually, like, Kevin Durant. But it's gonna be fascinating to see how this affects the league. It'd be goes to the Knicks. Like it's a great plan for the Knicks. But you go to the Knicks, Kevin Durant. That means they're not going to be competitive for another year. They they're kind of punting on next season. Again, that's hard to do punt on another season. By the way, I think even ramp plays next year in the playoffs if he goes to a playoff team, or if he stays with the warriors. It's a nine month injury. Now, will he be the Kevin Durant? We saw in the playoffs probably not. But it stands to reason that he's going to be back, and he's not a player who's body type is going to load up with a bunch of weight. He's explosive because like he's a free who's gonna lose some some big step, like, I think it'd be okay. But I do think this hurts the Knicks chances of getting him. I think there's no reason for teams that are in win now mode like the clippers or the nets that think they're going to get them. It kinda come into feels like it comes down to. Does he choose the warriors or does he choose the Knicks, and maybe always had his heart set on the Nixon, the idea of owning New York man, how many times New Yorker, New York fans have you had a former star who's shell of himself because of injury and age? And that's what you could get in. Kevin ran, I think it'll be fine. But I don't know. No one actually knows until we see him back on the court in ten months or fifteen sixteen months who, who actually knows, as for the NBA finals. I do think this is the end of the run for the warriors, but I don't know. And it's not because I'm doubting them. I doubt their health think the raptors are good. I think the warriors are far better when they're healthy like far better like four games five games. This is a rap, but they're not healthy closed a lot healthy. Andrea dollars down healthy loonies, not healthy bogus, not healthy and steps worn down. Could they pull it out? They could they very well could will they the odds are that the healthier team that is a championship caliber team ends up winning at least one of these two games would be amazing. If they wanna game six and the warriors with all the homecourt advantage would have lost all three games in the NBA finals, this week on ephemeral. 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So, you know, I've been fortunate enough to, to kind of get to great opportunities with, with good people. Great organizations because of the FIBA schedule in the in the you know seasons. The national teams are always the competitions are always outside of the regular playing season for the most part. And now for the last three years, FIBA has created insead and windows for the competitions the qualification games for the World Cup. So, you know, I've been fortunate enough with, you know, the last six years with, with Poland, and then now this year, picking up the hammer towers job, it's been. No, it's been great. Just the chance to coach a lot of basketball into really, you know work with two great teams. So we'll get to what you're doing now and I wanna get to your kind of path. But when you're in the states, like do you, do you enjoy? It's, it's so different and I know that it's different being overseas now the now than it was back when I was playing overseas like when you parachute in and the NBA playoffs are on how invested are you in watching them? Oh, watching basketball, you know, all over the world, whether it's, you know, staying up late to watch games NBA games, you know, overseas watching your league games overseas, you know all the European leagues that are on television there. But definitely follow in the NBA, obviously, it's much harder overseas to watch college basketball, but you're following you know best you can. So I think it's a little bit easier to follow the NBA. So even when you do come home, you know, it's you're aware you're up to date, and your follow, like every other every other basketball fan, I've enjoyed the play offs and it the best thing is. It's at the regular time. What, what, what do you think about the Katie thing in terms of coming back, like I previously in the podcast? I kinda pointed out that, you know, I mean, look, you do was partially torn he was going to have to have surgery. Anyway, we don't know what they told him. But ha- you know, haven't been a guys coast professional basketball for essentially your entire process. Personal license playing in college. What, what are your thoughts on, on what happened the other night? Oh, really tough to watch. You know, obviously one of the best players in the world. The team was struggling you could see them desperately in need of something, and everybody kind of put those hopes on, on Kevin Durant. I think that, you know, the tough part you see here. You know you saw the couple of years ago with a Thomas coming back and playing for the Celtics. You know, like when players later body on the line. Sometimes there's a there's a negative result in the negative event. And you know with with Kevin Durant, obviously, the it's really going to impact thing. We don't know what was said behind closed doors. How much pressure there was on him to play? But I think the one thing is that players now are valuing their body, more and more. And I think people will point to this. Hey, don't pressure me to play. You know, I'm I know my body when I'm good and ready. And I think that people use this as an example was as to why people want arrest, but I think, you know, worse or was built up. I'm sorry. No. No, no. Keep going. I don't stop the pressure was built up with, with the expectations because it's much struggling, and they, they needed something, and they're, they're really hopeful that, you know, Kevin Durant could come back be himself and be a difference maker. The. The, the, the coaching question I had for you and obviously, it's different. I don't know that I don't know the time outs and FIBA I have no idea. And I know that coach it has to be like on a dead ball, right? When you when you call them time out. And so obviously, that's not the same as NBA timeouts. But are you one of these guys and look the NBA they have so many time outs? They get to under three and they get use it or lose. It's before that, but Nick nurses, and Nick, nurse agai that you coached against in your travels like what was the first time year coach against Nick nurse? Do you remember? You know, when back in the US L days, you know, when you're in Oklahoma, and he was out there, and I was with dodge city. La that's the first time I ran across Nick cycles a long way back to the early two thousands, and then also, you know, coastal leopards in London in two thousand to two thousand three he was well established as a top coach in the British game at that point in with the bright and bears. And then actually to, you know Nick brought me to Rio Grande valley as, as his assistant in two thousand eleven two thousand twelve so I work really closely with Nick for that year. He he taught me a lot about the D league. And, and, you know, I learned a lot from him helped prepare me when I got my chance to be a head coach with, with the Maine, red claws. So obviously, I'm really rooting for Nick. And what he's done this year has been fantastic. But, you know with the timeout situation, the I think he looked at the at the run he knew he had these time outs in his back pocket. And, and they were kinda you lose them if he didn't use them. And the point was like, hey, tried to get a little rest. You know, the coach you try to make the best decisions you can. And in this case, it, obviously, you know, disrupted the Ryan gave you know, the, the warriors a chance to, to regroup themselves and make another run against them. But I think that, you know, if they can find a way to win one of these next two games that story will go away. I think that there's, there's so many decisions that are coach asked are making a game, and it's really hard for, you know, people just two point two one and say, hey, this is the reason why the team lost and things like this, you know, he knew players retired. He wanted to give him a rest and it just the results didn't go their way and people wanna point to something. So is. Question is, like so in in your opinion, the process was sound the result just just didn't work out. I guess the, the question like if you're in that situation and I actually think like David Blatt cut a lot of heat from people because. Even though David grew up here, he has his Isreaeli way of being matter of fact in an almost an end and I actually think he's a magnificent coach and he was very kind to me when I was in Israel couple of years ago, but he does have this, and I think the best way to say and his Rayleigh way of saying something where it is like fact and you don't understand right? We. So he said that, you know. Like a fighter pilot with all the citizens you make. And it really is accurate. Right. Like you're you have your it's, it's so much in the playoffs is about match ups, but you're also judging your own team's fatigue, your players fatigue the other teams to Teague the run the time the score the momentum timeout. So I have a foul situation like do we wanna file to stop the clock and then sub somebody like there's a bunch of stuff going in? So I fully respect the David Blatt idea if you're like a fighter pilot. You got a million decisions to make, I guess, question is to you. Like you're in that situation Yanna told to run places going bananas best players dead. Tired, you know that once you get under under three there's going to be a bunch of timeouts called anyway. What would you do? You would you have called a time out in that situation. I know he's your friend doesn't mean it's the worst decision the world. But, but it would you call it. I think that, you know, you're in that position you, you know, the situation best so easy for us to, to kind of from the outside. Look at all these points I think it's hard to, to call a time out. You know, when you're on such a great run, you know. But again, it's, it's one of those things you make a decision. You try to make that decision work to the best of its abilities. And you know, I think rather than look at the time out situation. What about the, the defensive coverage where they, they gave up the open threes down at the other end, you know? I think this is this is where the focus really should be for those last two minutes. But I, you know, for me, I think it's when you're on those runs, you want to try to extend those runs as long as you can. You know, so that's why the, the reasoning then would be okay, next time, I think if Nick is in that situation again, I really doubt he called the time out and tries to extend the run as long as you possibly can. But what, what did that show? You shows you how much the raptors are really relying on Kawhi Leonard, and how much he's carrying team you know. So, yeah, it it's really. We made for interesting storyline. And like I said, for me, you know, I'd like to see the raptors get a win and, and have it all go away. A what, what about Nick, having worked with him should people understand about why he's been successful because you know they did they won. They won the G league in Iowa with the energy when he was there, and obviously, and look some of the stuff that he did when he first got to Toronto, the ball movement stuff that they put in. They've actually kinda gone a little bit away from now because you have Kawhi, and so you can kind of play off of, of his dominance in and spread the floor. But having worked with him in known him and watching him what as a coach coach to coach you go like while he does that that's really good. He he does this better than other people. So I think he does a great job understanding. You know, the people that he's with, I think he does a really good job of really creating a clear picture for everybody keeping things simple. And, and really in, in a fundamental way, organizing the game plan and helping people understand like, hey, this is what we're trying to do. I think what you're seeing here with his defensive game plans even though he's got an offense a reputation from from what he's done in Toronto. I think he's done a great job with with defensive game plans in, in the finals. And he's afraid to try new things. He's not afraid to try different things. You know we've seen the box in one. So I, I think Nick has a really good feeling for coaching. He's got a very good personality for coaching. And, you know, I it's like you know, you see guys who were naturally good at something I think Nick is naturally good at coaching and, and he many, many has many of the character traits in terms of that leadership in terms of the position. So, you know you could see a lot. Of this stuff back when he was in, in Britain in with the Brighton bears during that time they also had an excellent run and a lot of success, obviously coming back to to the D week. Dan, the G league now. You know what he did? And I think what he does is he gets find a way to get that team to really click and maximize themselves. And when they get on these runs, you know, he's been able to put a lot of teams on these runs. And the raptors are on one right now they, they would be fantastic, if they could get to the championship in and win it. Okay. So you, you played at Indiana University, but I it's, it's in, in Pennsylvania, and the other one, I you give the, the other one, how dare you call yourself, Indiana. When you're not actually Indiana who'd you play for right? I play for coaching. Kurt Naski who's been in college coach. Yeah. So Kurt was a big influence for me and, you know, now, he's an assistant at air force, then we're, you know, who's I really learned a lot from him really organized business like ran a program. And he's in one of those guys that's you know, was a Drake for awhile. Penn State has been in a couple of different stops. But just one of the good guys in the game. So when how good were you guys when you're when you're there? So my, my, you know, we were we I like to say, we kind of put UP basketball to the next level, you know, my first and second year freshman and sophomore year. We were let's say. Average made the made the conference play offs by junior year. We, we got up to number one in the nation division to we finished the season, you know, twenty seven and three and then the, the next year we went twenty nine and two we were number one team in the country, you know, wire-to-wire made the elite eight my junior and senior years. So, you know, just really really great college career. I was a program guy, not a great player, you know made made by you know Mark just in terms of leadership as a three year captain and just being the team guy. So from those standpoints points. Great cows career great experience, and, and I think those guys would tell you, hey, we knew this guy was going to be a coach, you know, following his father's footsteps really didn't turn out that way. Yeah. You talk about talk about your dad's. So, you know, my dad was was a high school coach before I was alive. And then a college assistant mostly before I was alive, and then he was a college head coach. And I was born at U W walkie. And then they I think they got fired because they went division three, and then he became an assistant coach at Long Beach state, and that was the last really in terms of his college experience. And so I wasn't around the, the, you know, you grow everybody goes up in a coaches household. Coach's background? I wasn't necessarily around a program growing up, even though we had a travel team program, and he was coaching some minor league stuff and he was doing the NBA summer league back when it was at Loyola Marymount, what was your childhood like in a in a basketball household? You know, Doug, that's one of the best memories that I have is. So my dad was the first you know, before I was born he was with Bob Knight at West Point. And then he was head coach at lock. Haven division two in Pennsylvania, when I was born, you know, of course, don't remember those young memories then he was an assistant for Willis Reed with the Knicks and Creighton university. And that's where I start to, you know, really remember being around the teams and being around the guys most of it when, when he went to clarion university of Pennsylvania, most famous alumnis, John Calipari, so we were in clarion. And that was for, you know, in my basically, high school years, you know, elementary school high school years. So I remember. You know, being the ball boy, sitting on the end of the bench eating popcorn with the guy's not getting into the game you know, going to his practices at the gym and, and kind of being around. My dad taking me on a road trip with a team scout a game scout an opponent, you know, and, you know then you know most of the people in western Pennsylvania, the you'll have they offer like your day, you know, hunting and everything. And I'm not much of an outdoorsman like that. So we go into Jim and get our basketball workouts in and spend time like this. So, you know, just being around sports and grown up with my dad's teams and, and just talking basketball with him. Like he my dad's always been my biggest role model. My basic variable. And, you know, I feel like he's really helped prepare me in terms of coaching, not just Xs and os and things like this, but in terms of communicating with people how you how you lead a team how you handle situations. So from a young age, I was around this, you know, in this these were. With discussion all the time. My brother also had a really good high school career and played in college a little bit so basketball and sports. Where is a classic? Coach's family. You know. So. Yeah. Back ain't your dad. Didn't your dad have get his doctorate to like he wasn't like yeah. I mean, like I remember reading that your dad had his doctorate as well. He was a Syracuse ski he went to Syracuse. And then and then he got like to get a coaches are so different now. I, there's, there's always still love of basketball and the love of the game. But also the kids in I do think that, you know, your players that that gets overshadowed because because at the at the highest level there's, there's a bottom line to it. But, like there used to be more of a teacher teaching element to it, and education element to it and all of the coaches coaches. Now a lot of mouth their master's degree. But the idea that your dad would have doctor degree, right? And he also he was doing. He was doing some certification program. I, I remember I read about long time ago as well. Right. Like at the end of his at the end of his career like this is he was an interesting dude. Yeah. So, you know, Doug, the interesting thing was during during his coaching career. It was still the era of teacher coach. So he was crying division, two college basketball, and he was teaching classes in health and physical education department. You know, we he got his doctorate from Springfield college. In that situation. And you know this was kind of the model of that era of coach and into the late eighties. It changed, and it became division, two fulltime coaches. So this was about the time where he stepped away. He kept his his his teaching tenure at clarion university, and he added and then kind of created this whole coaching certification program. So he really impacted a lot of local, you know, kids that came to clarion in health physics, physical education. And they've got this coaches certification and went into coach, you know, football soccer softball. Baseball all all different coaching all different sports. So, you know, this whole transition of him going into coaching as, as a teacher coach. And then there's the job changed. You know, he kind of just said, hey, I'm going to spend time with my family. I'm going to, you know, just focus on my teaching and really he kept kind of that coaching interest by developing that sort of. Nation program for clarion. It's, it's definitely a unique story. And I think it's, it's helped a lot of people who've in years. Yeah, it's funny. My dad actually got his masters. I think in, I might have been business, but I think it's in PE from Columbia like he's got an hit an Ivy league master's degree, but, like invisible education, but back, you know, back then, like you needed a legit master's degree. And then he was like coaching high school basketball with Colombia masters degree would just, you know, it's such a such an incredibly different world now. Yeah. For sure. Christopher. Okay. So so you start by coaching. You were at your alma mater, first, and then you went to clarion. Then you went to clear your right for a year or two. So I went to clarion to get my as a graduate assistant. I worked under under writer there who was a longtime coach, you know, he was he was really good person. Good coach help me. Get my foot in the door. So I got my master's in communication. I was there at clarion for two years. It was great. You know, still being around my dad. And being in the town, I went to high school. So I had a lot of friends and everything was great, though. Like you're coming back, and you'd gone to a different school. And you you'd like come back like was it was it good to be back or what, what does that? Yeah. I mean I was really happy about it. Because I was I was at the chance to be around family and, and had a chance to be, you know, doing what I wanted to do. So you're talking about small college town, western Pennsylvania. So that was good. I had so many great memories for my dad's coaching time at clarion growing up around the Pennsylvania conference and, and things like this. So, you know, those, those memories were were kind of the main thing, you know, after two years, I got the chance to go back to UP as an assistant and worked there for Gary Edwards for for three seasons. And we made a return trip to the elite eight in in two thousand and then after those three years, another successful run, you know, I got a chance to go to Pittsburgh state in Kansas, and work for gene IVA, who was the nephew of Henry AIBA. And from that time, it was, you know, my whole focus was, I want to be like my dad, I wanna be a college coach on my work. My way up college coaching you know, during the summers, I would work camps all over the summer and tried to meet people try to target coaches that I wanna learn from. Okay. I wanna learn the press, I wanna go spend time with Billy Donovan at Florida Elena. You know, I wanted to be around Fillmore tally. I wanted to be around, Dave bliss at the time in, in New Mexico before all of his problems. You know, I see coach K A Duke it. So I just picked out, you know, programs all over the country and tried to get around great coaches and low. And during that time I was at Don Myers coaching academy. Let's go, and I met a guy named Aaron Christian and that actually was the connection kind of started me overseas. So at the time, it was all college basketball until the opportunity came to get over seas. And from that point forward, it was like, you know, hey, I'll go over for a year and come back and, you know, I'm still a litter. Okay. So your first one was, was was Germany, though, wasn't it? Yeah. I went to a third division team in Chemnitz Germany and I in Germany. And I actually have looked this up, right? Is that the is that the us Austrian border that's over close to so it's actually closer towards Czech Republic at forty kilometers from the Czech Republic border. But in that region. Yes. I'm doing the climate's thing that you, do you actually when you're in the states, do you still do kilometers. Or do you do miles mile and people call me? Hey disguise to six centimeters. You know, I still have to say, okay, got sick nine six eight you know like that. That's still working, those American foul numbers for sure. Okay. So this is like two thousand one two thousand two right? You, you go to chemists Chemnitz Germany, you get third division. Like, what, what is you land, a, you couldn't make much money? Right. I mean you. Yeah. I maybe to the okay there's, there's a job. Did you just pick up the phone call? Like, how did it how did it take place? Yeah. So I didn't know much about the job. I didn't know much about the situation. I just knew I wanted to be a head coach and I thought like, oh, I'll go overseas for one year via head coach get some, you know, international networking done and come back to college. So I really knew nothing about the job going in my friend, Aaron Christian who was from Portland, Oregon his he was an assistant coach for Brad, Barbara at evergreen state, and this, this coach Barbara had recommended the coach that was at cabinet that year a guy named Kobe matinee, who wanted to go back home to San Diego, and they offered the job to my friend Aaron but Aaron also had an offer to go to university of Portland as the director of basketball operations will him and his wife were from Portland. So he said, hey, I'm going to go here. Enter knew that I was interested in overseas stuff and had codes some overseas travel teams and things. And he's like, hey would you be interested in it? So I jumped at it. And like you say when you land, you know, this is you know what? Almost twenty years ago. You're in east Germany. And life is different. So the culture shock in the in the first four, four months or so difficult. But, you know, like, like, I like to say the people we, we made it our NBA we turned it into our NBA. We made it really important weaving like new, the saying frosty Westerlund you make the big time where you are. This is really what we tried to do with it. And I've still to this day have so many wonderful memories of that. Let's say low level overseas style basketball in terms of you. Hop in the vans. Drive six hours. You play a game. You know, go to McDonald's or Burger King you ride back all night. And you know, then some of the guys full-time pro some of the guys are part time couple of guys are students who just piecing it all together. So, so it was really a great learning experience. I got a chance to coach. I got a chance to, you know, make some steaks and learn and grow and develop and really, really look back fondly with a lot of happy memories from those time, you it's funny is. There. There are pro a team now. Right. They've like they've you've grown up they've grown up. And yeah. So, you know, the funny thing is this year couple of months ago like they had a great season. They lead are like I we're in the league you know, they, they let our, our legal years, the top team. And, you know, we had also high expectations, both organizations had the same goal to move up to the Bundesliga top league in Germany, with the promotion relegation system. And we played a five game series with them. And you know, I think that people have the impression that they were gonna win it after they won game three and we ended up winning game four at home and force game five on the road. And we actually won in Chemnitz to have our, let's say OCD, which is promotion into the I league. So you know I had a part of moving candidates up into the top into the second division. And then now they were planning to move up to the firstly but, you know, we were team that got it done this year. So you guys only finished in you guys finished in fourth. Place, but you end up getting a yet got promotion. And you had Bo beach who I, I called a couple of games at Gulf Coast, who can dead dude can shoot basketball right, straight up shoot and then you had drew arm. Right. Yes, we had a great bunch of guys on the team. It was so much fun. That team we know the team did a great job handling high expectation hamburger is is a team that has so much potential. Big city, and it's really young organization. It's five years old, and it was really good people involved with it. Marvin Willoughby many people, you know, marvins a former German national team player. Former professional, he came up with holder to schwinn a plane with Vicky, very close friends with Dirk, so the basketball potential and hamburgers is great and it's really great story. But I think you know, like, when I signed, there, the expectations were okay, these guys are going to move up and for our team to manage those expectations. You know go into the playoffs in the fourth place, which was definitely underperforming for us disappointing and then, you know, to get it done in the playoffs when it mattered the most, you know, I'm really really proud of these guys. But guys like bow guys like drew many of the other players on the team. It was just a really a fun season. To work with these guys and really enjoyed it. Stylistically does it look more like the e more like college basketball. It does it fall back on more kind of traditional European style. What is German professional pro basketball cling? Oh, so I think what you have is some good players. You know, I think it's a high level the level actually surprise me, you know as to really how competitive and how good it was you have some young talented players. I think you have some inexperience in experiences a factor. So it's difficult for the players to be consistent game to game. But there's definitely some talent in the league. So, you know, I think that, that our, our team was was competitive, we can be competitive, the bottom level of the Bundesliga. And and you know, we'll have our chance to show this year. We'll know what we were all about. But I, I would not I would say the, the German pro a is maybe behind if you rank France probey, and if you say Italy, Syria, you know, the sitting in the second division, Italy, maybe Turkey division, too, you know because of the money in those leagues. But it's really a well run league. It's a well organized. League. And I think it's, it's pretty quality. I would say just the big difference between the Bundesliga and the pro is the inexperienced players. You know that a lot of young guys and then you have just because of that some consistency lot of ups and downs throughout the season with the players. Okay. So now you're coaching the polish national team. What is that, like, like, do you? And I know as you pointed out when we started. There are things during the regular season or in the middle of the year where you guys still kinda get together. How involved are you in terms of player, selection, and the team like I how does that Al? How does that all work? You know, Doug the, the key to doing both jobs. Well, you know FU, so we achieved our big dream from both with with Poland getting to the World Cup first World Cup in fifty years, the second polish history. And then with, with pampered going there to move the team up, you know, in, in reach the bundy's league, you don't do that without good people to help and in good people around. So I think the key for us in both situations. We've got good people to support there's at least one key guy for for my work in Poland and one key guy in Hamburg that I'm able to really trust and count on and rely on with Poland. You know, we've had a staff that's been basically together for six years, the entire run. So it's like clockwork you know, I work closely with the technical director in terms of building the team or we're going to have a team who are we bringing in, in all these things. So the, the, the great thing about the polish national team job has been, you know, like it's, it's. It's a really supported position. You know, you can get the type of systems and the type of staff you want. You can get the type of players you want. You know, you can, if you have a vision of I want training camp to look like this, you know, people really work hard to try to, you know, help you do it. The people have pride, and they want the, the country's basketball to be successful. So the support has has been fantastic for my six years, and, like I said, you know, when you when you're together for with a group with a team for that amount of time, the most important, or the special thing to me is the best thing is that, that these players, you know, some of the names like, like coast, ADEMA chance, give tests benico all the guys, they'll be remembered in Poland as as doing something big something special for basketball in their in their careers. So this is this is what I'm really happy about, you know, in thankful for with, with Poland, these speak, polish I speak German. You know, I've been in Poland's for six. Years, we lived there, for most of two of those years in Warsaw, and it's a great culture. You know, it's been a really a lot of fun. My wife loved it, but, you know, I'm not great with languages. It took me a long time to try to learn German, and, you know, pe- people say, I speak Deutsche like funny. German, you know, it's kind of a mix between German and English, so that's kind of, like, you know, like I thought to myself, like it's an investment with polish inches. It's a difficult language different, you know what, you know. It's something that I haven't coach coach English coach English. Yeah, one of one of the funny stories was the first time I got there. We're introducing our system and we've got, you know, NBA terminology and all these different things in new for the guys and they're interested in it. But one guy, I will say any names, he couldn't speak very good English at the time. So we were talking about on defense. You know, hey, you're Gardner guy in the corner. You wanna communicate your teammate corner? Phil corner, Phil. So, you know, the guys pick it up, we go through our defensive work. And then this same guy is running the court offensively. Right. He's running entrench. And then he's going to the corner to spot it. And he's yelling so corner fil corner food. So we were laughing about it. Like, you know some there's definitely, do you coach in English. But there's always gonna be some situations that come up like that. But there's there's nuance that, that, that no one, you, you don't understand unless you truly know, kind of language, and, yes, yes, a really really, really hard one. Yeah. You mentioned that you guys qualified for the World Cup to those, like, we don't we're just so arrogant as Americans. Right. Like it's just a foregone conclusion we're gonna play where is it tournament? We're gonna play in and we're going to be expected to win it. What was the wildest game that you had in terms of either location, crowd or just circumstance in in in your road to qualify for the Cup? Well, oh, there's, there's been a lot. You know, we've played in Lithuania. We've played in Italy. I think the game that really kind of started the show. Sparks for us was when we played in Italy, we were in bologna. And you know, we were three and three at the time. I think we were, you know, just struggling to stay afloat, and they had their team with stacked, you know, the you're talking about Nico Meli. You're talking about g g Ditto may, you're talking about, you know, they had Jeff Brooks as a as a an American passport player. So this is the best that Italy could be and, you know, I think they felt like we're going to smash these guys, you know, our guys showed up and it was really just a great offense of game. AJ slaughter are our passport player shot the lights out, we had a bunch of guys a bunch of bake shop, and you could just see the players get self confidence in themselves. So we ended up losing the game. But the kind of turn and from that point, we won five straight games. You know, we we upset Croatia twice. You know we upset Italy at home and we put ourselves in position to to qualify for for little Cup. So really a historical achievement for for the team. And, and for polish basketball, and I hope that it can grow the game in Poland. I hope it can be that big result. It gets kids interested in playing basketball. And, and, you know, the Olympic Committee, administer sports and everybody starts to really put money into the game in Poland and everything can take a next step forward. Hi, everybody. It's gone coward here. Host of the ever growing heard podcast. I'm in the honesty business. You know that I don't feel I tell you what you want wanna hear. But what you need. We talk every day about the sports stories, you have opinions on the heard podcast network. Now is a one stop shop for all sports fans listened to the heard that H E R D with Colin coward on apple podcasts or on the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts. Okay. So then what your, which your schedule like in terms of the summer? So we'll start the interesting thing like you mentioned, sometimes the, the national team is in season. And sometimes it's out to you, you know, my six years, there's been two to specific types of build up. You know, you've had the way it's going to be this summer was training camp. And then you know you'll have two week training camp that'll start for us. You know late July this year, and then we'll play you know, maybe ten preparation games we like to do is play, you know, tough tournaments away and then play a home game where you know, that's like a winnable game. So you can kind of show off the team to to the to the country and everything till this this way. It'll be this summer will lose the sisters of the poor, that's key who's the sisters of the poor. That's coming to take the l like what, what country do you call it? Like we need somebody who come and get a beanie on, like, who, who is that, you know, I don't want to call anybody out. You know what I mean? But they're they're downloading the pod somewhere in the Czech Republic. Coach taylor. Yeah. He's talking smack. No, I wanna respect them. You know, I think that there's teams that did not qualify for euro basket. And there's teams that were closer to do it. Then teams that were not so close sorry for the World Cup. And these teams will call there in the qualification for euro basket this year. So those would be the teams that we choose that like I say, hey, you know, we want to put together a team qualified for a World Cup. And maybe you choose from those guys that, that really didn't make it in try to play against some of that. But it's the great thing about the World Cup this year is going to be the different styles from all over the world. You know in our group in Beijing. We've got Venezuela, we've got China, the host, and we've got Ivory Coast from Africa. So even in that first round, it's, it's going to be really interesting. And, and I'm really looking forward to just the whole experience of preparing against the different styles. And and you know competing against him as well when you because we have there's a lot of coaches at. Listen to this. And so, when when you see you have two weeks of training camp. And I I'm sure that you communicate like, hey, dude, you guys gotta come in shape and all these guys have played. They've had a little bit of time off, like how do you break down? You know the the first week are you conditioning hard? Are you simply implementing system? Are you touching up on a system because all these guys have played together like what's your philosophy? He got two weeks. Prepare before you start you know playing games. And then it's like a month before the tournament actually starts. How do you do it? Yeah. You know, I think Doug the thing is that, like, for example, AJ slaughters playing for as well and their season will not end until early July. Right. Like he may be home. I July fourth, you know, so you're talking about, like, maybe he'll have a he'll have a month max to, to get himself, you know, before our art preparation starts up. So I'm not really worried about them. You know, the type of shape they're gonna come in, you know, some guy seasons have gone longer than others. I think that everybody has played on a high level and they understand you know what they need to do. We've got a great conditioning, coach guy named Dominic. Now, ROY Chuck who we call the dominator and basically he makes my job easy. You know, like I basically we'll, we'll focus on the basketball side of it. We'll focus on. Let's say the implementing the system this, you know, installing our set plays defense, the basketball side of it, you know, we'll have to practices most of the time in the morning. It'll be skill working conditioning. You know, we'll split the team with some skill. And then. Then when some weights or whatever, whatever dominator wants to do with them, and then at evening, will do a lot of the basketball team stuff. And I think what we've always tried to do was just push and push and push and push until, you know, we get the word from from dominator, and our physio, Eric Marquette, which they say, okay, really back a little bit dollar back. You know, give the guys a day off or give guys one practice or let's do something else. So I think that's kind of been the mentality. I I don't really. We just say, here's our plan. We're putting our stuff in we're going to put it in. And, you know, you try to build in, you know, maybe by Thursday or Friday, you try to build in time where there's some extra space in case you need to give the guys day off that your system doesn't you know, you don't fall behind and what you wanna put in. But because these guys are mostly professionals high level players, we conditional team. I don't really worry too much about them, you know, being in conditioned, and what type of condition they're coming in. I think there's a responsibility that these guys they take care of most of the time. Yeah. And, and I was your was your dad conditioning. Fanatic was your dad, you know, more professor Ariel. Like what was what was his style? And, and how do you how do you how do you blend off of that? He's he was really a kind of a defensive coach you know, he was fundamentally. They all used to be I felt like they all used to be like, like, like, I don't know if I've had this conversation on this pod, and with other people where we talk about, like I played for eighty Sutton. Right. Or even my dad or an obviously, my dad's success is don't match up to Eddie Sutton, but I have friends that played for lute Olson in Fred's the played for Bob Knight, and they'll all say, like they never drew on a whiteboard. Like literally never drew up a play. There was never a all right? Guys. What like nut never. But they just they wanted. They got you to play really hard. They had basic defensive philosophies, you know some basic offensive philosophies, the maybe they had an assistant that would drop a play or whatever, but like all of this eight t o stuff. Off, you know situational basketball and changing matchups for specific AT os or or you know, trying to find the mismatch, you know, at at the end of an important game like these old school guys. They didn't do any of that. They just go out there and play hard. Dammit, or come sit next to me it helped me coach right different game. So funny thing was, you know, we we win the championship this year. And everybody's so happy. So, you know, I skied my dad and we talked about the team and talk about the games. He's able to watch them online and everything, you know here so biggest fan and obviously, you know, biggest critic because well, you know, in a good way healthy. Just trying to always be positive funny thing is we win the championship. We have our party we ever celebration the next day. I'm Scott my dad's. I hate that. You know what'd you think of the game? Mike is great. You guys one really happy? But you're defensive stance. This guy's got to get out and deny this guy, you know, he's your footwork. And he's just breaking it down for me. And I'm like, dad, who just wanted to change. You know we swan. Kind of funny father-son coaching moment there. But yeah, it's definitely a different era game and you know, but I, I respect the old school. I respect the you know, the way the game was, they, we came up learning it the way, we came up, you know, seeing it played, you know, and even so the coaching style of, you know, like, again, I really respect coach night, and everything he did his coaching career. But you can't coach guys, you can't coach players outlet. You know the way he did with the negative extra motivation and things like this during his tenure. And again, you know this was he was he was idolized in our house. You know, my dad working for him, and he was he was coaching in Indiana, winning national championships at the time and, you know, he was really good to me. I work summer camp for them. I went to his coaching clinic, you know, he he you know, bought a good good memories and good stories about coach night. But it just is an example of the different coaching style, then as to. Where things are now you, you just have to handle handle the players much differently. Today. It's is very, very very, very true. Last thing actually, I have two other things I was you mentioned on how all you wanted to be a college coach and then this just kind of happened right now. You've come this overseas guy, and having an immense amount of success. It has changed. Now, the, the these G league teams are the connection with the NBA is so much closer than when you're in the US PL. I was in the us be Eller. I was in the CBA for a hot minute or the ABA the Ibiza because it's actually kind of part of the league if you were coming out now. Right. Just now you finished up the Anna university in Pennsylvania. Yeah. UP would you go right to the G league? But what would your path b now if you wanted to be a coach? Oh, I think if you love coaching, and you want to coach, you have to be open to whatever level, whatever situation wherever, because we don't control where the openings are lead. We go where the opportunity is. So I think there's, there's many positives about college coaching I still, you know, look at look at that very positively, because it's kind of how I grew up. But I also you know, point out like the, the G league the, you know, the as you say the connection with the NBA, you know, like for me the two biggest seasons. In terms of development, were my two, two years, in, in Portland, Maine, working with the Celtics, you know, I was around Doc Rivers, and his staff and the first year and then Brad Stevens and his staff a second year. So those those two years gave me the chance to really work on myself work on my coaching game. Get better in certain areas, and, and ask questions from great coaches. You know, not only Docker Brad, but the assistance and everybody, you know, like, there's great basketball people there. So. So I think that, that that's kind of the main point is, you know, where do you want to be as a coach? Do you wanna be a cost coast? You want to be a pro coach. Do you want to be in USA? You want to be in Europe. But I think that if you're, you know, if I like to say the people everybody wants to coach championship team. But there's not many, you know championship teams out there. You know, there's more mediocre bad teams out there. But if you love to coach, it's about getting the most out of your team getting the most out of your situation, you know, not every team can is ready to win that title. But I think this is the point if you love the process of coaching and in, you kind of have an idea of where you want to be that would answer the question. Do you want to try to get into the pro game? Do you wanna try give hours game and then you try for it? But since we've many times, don't have control where those opportunities, are you end up saying, okay, I'm going to take the best situation I can get and keep working, and keep hustling, and keep trying to get better. And then pretty soon, you look back and you're like, man. You know, it's, it's been a great ride. I've had a lot of great experiences. And you know I've done. I've done this, but, you know, the, the network is really important. And, you know, I think that, that if you're really interested in coaching, it's, it's important to be open to all levels, and all fraternities everywhere, the single best food you've eaten in Germany is what schnitzel gotta go. Schnitzel Schnitzer classic schnitzel go to, you know, it's a every time you schnitzel. You're happy gotta be happy. Schnitzel poland. Who Poland you know what's interesting about Poland is the soups really, you know, like in, in central and Middle East. Middle of middle Europe. You'll you'll eat a lot of soups before your name is closed. Right. And the yes, cold a lot. There's borscht potato based soups, there's all Borst I really liked Borst. I'm abort sky. We do the borsch wins. I didn't know in the in the winter. It's warm. But in the summer, it's cold so that they actually serve the soup cold, which do you prefer one warm guy? Just I'm I can't like cold soup. Not really my thing you know, but the whole mentality is it, it helps prepare the digestive system for for, for the meal. So like it's really like lots of culture and tradition and, and everything like this. So, yeah, I, I've, you say one thing Poland, you know, a lot of people will talk about parole, gays or other things that I'm gonna say the soups, and, and, and I'm gonna go with, with Borst and parolees are being western Pennsylvania. And I tell you like. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So they're, they're actually they're actually is a correlation between Poland and western Pennsylvania. But you know what? I, I want to talk about is I you know, let me let me turn the tables with it. Let's talk about the Oklahoma storm back in the day, the UK still, you know what I mean. Hey, so, so I don't know if people who listeners know that I was the number one overall pick of the USB L in two thousand now you weren't in league in two thousand and that was that that was to play for cream when I play when I played the freedom that was interesting. That was unbelievable experience. Like, I, I can't imagine like, hey, where did you meet Kareem Abdul Jabbar some arena somewhere? No, it was at the dodge city Civic Center up on that stage which acted as the VIP room. He was up there. Pre-game getting some, you know, pre-game plead in and cream of doing Gerard rack. They're unbelievable. Unbelievable. The whole thing was so who is who who played for women trying to think which I know did you guys have Kenny Gregory that year was the first okay? You aren't being with the big names where Jimmy king from the fast five, great guy, really. Enjoyed him. We oliver. Miller big. Oh who was that was really interesting season with him? Kenny, Gregory, was fantastic and went onto a great career overseas. And then we hit a bunch of just, you know, hard-working guys that were classic USB all players. So was really, really fun. And obviously cliff Levingston the head coach at the time and Dale Osborne. Now an assistant with the Portland trailblazers Dale and I were roommates so lot lots of great memories. The best was driving the, the team RV the team recreation vehicle, you know, we drove down to play in Oklahoma for you guys down there at Oklahoma City, and I drove the team RV down there. And when I parked outside the arena, I park and hit a curb. So the tire popped while we were playing the game against you guys. They were changing the tire somewhere in the arena, just to make sure we could get home at night. By what you had a team RV. Yes. Team RV. I was driving it. I'll make any great reset shotgun kept me up at night, we drove all the way from dodge city to Saint Louis. We're driving up to Saint Joe's Missouri. You know all those pains drive down to play, you guys Enid, or Oklahoma City. So great, great memories. Unbelievable. Funny, is the teen in two thousand two won the championship. We'd lost in the finals in two thousand Brian gates who he was last year with the Sacramento Kings was our head coach, but he wasn't supposed to be the head coach. There's a different head coach. I forget, I'll think of the guy's name. It was like a scout with the Mavericks, and he bailed like the day before the first games. Like Brian gates is like twenty four at the time maybe. And he'd never been a head coach ever and like he's our head coach and he did a great job. And then in two thousand two so I was playing in the ABA. And a guy named James Bryant was the owner and he was also like an agent and the wholesale was like I was a pretty big name. And of course, cream is a huge Dame, and we were going to be like the two faces of this team 'cause I played in two thousand and we almost and, and we played in Oklahoma City that years, opposed to play in Enid strictly need in my first year. And so I'm playing for a guy named mas- track who he's been an NBA assistant overseas coach would ever, I'm sure, you know, mas- and so as, as my coach in Phoenix in the ABA, and he's like you're an idiot to leave. We're going to T ABA tournament. That's where all the scouts are. And so James Ryan was pay me like three times what he's paying every other player. And my wife was working in the sales office, and I was doing, like local radio in the middle of the day saw, as making a bunch of money to play for this USB L team. And I think I mean the only thing I can think of and I've. Talked to cream a couple of times about this. But I'm not sure he really recalled. I haven't brought up any negative memories, but he wouldn't start me. And look, we had like Randy day you talk about Nick nurse like Randy duck was a hell of a player, and so it wasn't like there are bad guys, but I was actually playing really, really well, and I was just very frustrated over my, my playing time. So I actually like left the team with I don't know, five six games to go and just, just at the broadcasting thing, and then ultimately went to work for US P, and like later that fall and they went on a one, one of the championship, but he was cream was interesting like he was he's obviously really bright. But he he struggled struggled to understand how the game had evolved some. And. And it wasn't that he didn't like he was always there. And he was always on time, but she didn't feel like there was an investment in, like, watching film, and understanding who you're going against, and I'll give you an example. We're playing in Salina Kansas. And Kansas cages and. Late in the first half they post me like twice and by the second first time guy scores atop top second time, I'd just foul him. And I always been told like, hey, if you're, you know, I'm six feet tall if you get some six ten dude on you get on a switch. There's like you get six just burn one. You're not gonna use them all this phallic take it out on the side. So I fell he takes me out of the game. Because he's like. It's cheap. And I, I was so we go in the locker room and he's still on me about fouling and about how I was, I'm being lazy, and I liked around and go like lazy. Are you fucking kidding me? There's nothing. I he's six foot fucking ten. There's nothing I can do other than foul him. Or let him score. Nothing. There's nothing. There's nothing else. I can do. Now, if you want to send a double team down there on a six foot ten USB. Oh, played like those fine. You can do that, but we're not sending in double team. So we just took it out of bounds. Like, why are you onto me? Why don't you pay attention to who? I'm guarding the situation. And like he lost his mind on me, and it was an I'd kinda lost it on him or whatever. But so it but I did like he, he wasn't a bad. It wasn't a terrible coach. But he just he had a lot of things going on. He was really into like the history of everywhere. So we'd go like back. I don't know if you remember there is a team in Saint Louis and, like we all kind we would. All right. So we would or was outside with Saint. Joe's missouri. Right. So we'd go like one day, we go we'd we'd play at home. Then we play dodge city, then we'd bus home after dad's say that we bust us line that we busted dodge city than we bus home. And then, like, I remember we, we bust up to Saint Louis, and we got there at, like I dunno like we left super early in, we probably rolled in at like twelve and the heath we thought the game was going to be, you know, like a five o'clock game. And the game was like a one o'clock game. So all the guys you're pissed, you know, now we're eating hot dogs, and he was most upset because there was some historical site that he wanted to go to that, because this, and then he got off, you know, it's Kareem Abdul-Jabbar in Saint Joseph, Missouri. And they wanted to sign autographs whatever and he struggles with people getting, and I can understand that part. But he was actually he was most upset that we weren't going to some historical site that he had already planned out. He wanted to go. And he read a book on, on the trip up and vise. Like, are you kidding me? Well, here's my, here's my best. USB L story. I might have told it in another pod. And you then you gotta share one. Okay. So my first year we're playing and we play there was a team on Long Island. There's a team Brooklyn Long Island team in DC. And we had a bunch of DC guys on our team. Der mcclinton who's join me on the on the pod. He was the other point guard. And so they all talk our management, or coaches whatever into like, hey, we play the Pennsylvania valley dogs coach by Darryl Dawkins, the next day, I, hey, we're all from DC. We got like three guys from DC we want, they want to go out and DC sleep there. And then we'll we'll, we'll take our vans up the next morning. Okay, fine. So we roll in and it's like the it's like a day game, unlike a Wednesday or Thursday or something. And it was actually really smart. From the USB L team because all the local camps sports camps, whatever camps they must have given them like two dollars for a ticket. So it's Lehigh university in their gym, and it's packed. But it's all packed with kids that are probably twelve and below and all they want to do is see people dunk. They have no idea. But whatever the, it's cool to walk into a USB L. Jim and the places an absolute zoo. And because I played for cream and because of a couple of other things like we played in a lot of full houses. So we get there and, you know, I don't remember how long the trip was it was probably like three hours or three and a half or something like that. And you know most of those dudes are hung over anyway, and we roll in. And again, it's one of those like, wait the game starts win the game starts eleven like who plays an eleven o'clock to like USB playing eleven o'clock get ready. So on our guys like well, we haven't eaten anything like no problem. We'll get you some from the snack bar, so, literally, they bring in hotdogs, stickers and cokes from the from the sack. Right. So we're like, all right. So we eat the food. We go out. We actually win the game. We come in the locker room and. And we're about to get on the bus, and we get per diem. Never forget this like our per diem was, I think it was twenty five dollars a day, was your twenty or twenty five and I remember like getting twelve dollars and fifty cents. And I was like, what the fuck is? And they're like twelve dollars and fifty cents per diem. I was like, dude. It's twenty five day. Why am I getting like well you ate too hot dogs? Thank you, coke and a Snickers bar. And I was like, what you took that on my per diem, like, yeah. Who do you think you pay for it? And I was like, okay, fine. Just give me give me the money I'd say, now you go give me your gimme your best, a USB L story or two. This is the best story, but it's unbelievable. You know. You know. You know, cliff Levingston was coaching the team and basically, he had some personal problems going on at the time. And, you know, so we play the Saint Louis Skyhawks team at home in dodge city. And you know, we lose the game disappointing loss, we're up in if you remember the dodge city Civic Center, we're up on the third level. You know, those locker rooms upstairs. I remember the stands were on one side, and there was a stage on the other. And that's what to, to the left of the stage. There was that, that went upstairs and upstairs. There were like on one like a second level would be like the visitors team. And on a third level would be like the home team, something like this. So that's where the locker rooms were so the locker room was his old like two is like a split locker room. We had a coach's locker room on one side in a in players locker room on the other side. So cliff is there talking to the players like, you know, families we gotta do this better. We gotta do that better. Come on. Who's a bad loss? We got was normal. You know we lost the disappointing game you know, so I'm standing in the doorway in between. And, you know, the general manager Tom Nelson, great guy, and all the coaches everybody on that side. And we're just listening to cliff address the team here comes a bunch of FBI agents coming to the to the locker room. There's like eleven FBI. Agents in there and Tom's like, hey, you know. You gotta talk to you 'cause like, hang on a minute. He's talking to the team. He's like, no, I really need to talk to you. So cliff goes to talk to Tom and unfortunately, it was a situation where, you know, cliff got he got arrested that night for some stuff that was later worked out. But that was like the most amazing thing I've ever seen anywhere in terms of where the team basketball team minor league. You know, there's some crazy stories. I mean, we're talking about tina's driving around with an RV, you know, driving all over west RV, you're talking about a bunch of guys some former NBA players, you know, bunch of guys trying to make at the time. There's no there's no delete. There's no real structured organization pro leave, you know, and some of these stories, you know, this is one of the, the you know, softer ones you can share with people. That is just like it's so when I hear your relations, here's one, I will not name the teaming. Okay, but I used to my dad, I never forget this. My my late. Father. I remember going to I was driving back water during my first training camp for USPS because it was like, you know, May June league and what we, we just got out of school. And I kept my apartment, my fiancee. Now my wife was there and it was like an hour drive. Whatever. So I remember driving home, and I call my dad after cope racks is like dead. You would not believe how many good players we have. He he's like, oh, I believe it. I said, no, no, dad. We have we have Willie Burton was a nine pick in the draft. We have the Bradford Smith was the first round pick. I mean he gave Jordan thirty one. We have Bubba wells who led. Who led the the country in scoring? You know, we had, we had all kinds of dudes, right? And. My dad said something to me, which is so true. And he said, son, there's always a reason, and I was like, what do you mean? And he goes, and I was like, we had Galen young. We've just been. He's a second round pick. I think of Milwaukee or whatever he's like, there's always a reason I go, what do you mean? He goes. Well, why are you? Why are you not going to be a first round pick as like, well, because people getting thing I can't shoot? I can't I don't think I can shoot his exactly like there's always a reason. It's like I don't know. I'll no doubt you know, some of its injuries like okay well injuries a reason, but, you know, some people eat their way out of leagues. Some people sleep sleep with too many women and do drugs or whatever. And like I could go through the roster. And I remember different. I remember Bubba wells that he had broken both legs in college hit rods in his legs is famous for whatever anybody been with the Mavericks like a year or two years before, and I remember his weight was an issue. And I turn it, we all stay at the holiday. In and between the holiday next to our next door hotel. There's a strip club and then after that, there was a sonic burger, and then you go into town, there's Mark Price Reno, replayed. And never forget, like we're getting ready for our very first game. And I pull out a Holiday Inn. And I'm ready to go, and there's Bubba wills car park next to sonic. And there's just there's bags of food and drinks and only him in the car, right? He comes in with, like mustard and mayo like on his lips. I'm like, okay, that's his reason, like, foodie. So I had a teammate there was an I don't know if they had this your year. So there was two teams in Florida one in Fort Myers, and there was one in Sarasota. The Sarasota one was owned by. I'm trying to think we the boxer was shit. I'll think of it in the second and then Louis junior, Roy Jones, Roy Jones, Roy Jones Sarasota team. And then the, the Fort Myers team was coached by Rick Perry and Mike Lewis who's a buddy of mine. Now UCLA was their point guard. So the way it worked there was we flew in, and we drove to Fort Myers, the next day we played for Myers, then we play Sarasota back to back night. So we play for Myers. Then we go home and never forget this. I had a teammates swear to God. Who I have? No, there's in my brain. I know he was not in the NBA longer because he's, he's slept with to like he lost his leg sleep with too many women. That had to be he has he had a wife, who we didn't see her, and then he's in Florida and his wife's there and one of the guys like the managers on the team like took them to the airport like halfway through the trip and then like two gates down. His girlfriend shows up like literally, like says goodbye to his wife and then walks to gates down any weights and his girlfriend arrives, like on a southwest flight, and then she's with them the rest of the trip it was. I'd never seen it like the balls on it was it was it was. I mean I guess if you're a player like it's a player move, but it was an amazing thing like wait. That's a different woman than was with him yesterday. How did that happen? Like dude, he he went to the airport. He dropped his wife off. And then he picked this other girl up like picked her up like no like he flew her in, and she arrived thirty minutes later. So what if the flight was delayed, it was unbelievable time it? He tried to the Healy had to make one trip. Yes. Because then he was lost out of that, pretty Umbro. Great, great stories. Great school. Okay. Okay. Last thing. Look, you're you guys were able to put your team how emberg in the top league your coat and the polish national team. What's the next attainable goal for you personally? Oh, you know, we'll see I wanna do a great job with the ones that are unfinished right now. You know, I wanna number one do a great job with the, the World Cup here and make a great run for polish basketball in, in China and then second, you know, whether it's, it's Bundesliga we to continue to grow and build basketball, Hamburg. The potential in the city is really big, and then we'll see what's out there. You know, like I'm just very settled and very happy right now, in terms of the basketball situations in, you know, like I said, you don't really control the opportunities that are out there. You just have to, you know, of wait and do the very best you can with what you have. And I think when you're focused on doing your job. Well, the next steps, just eventually, you know, present themselves. So I'm, I'm just focused right now one hundred percent on on Poland in Hamburg. I'm happy going to the gym every day. I'm enjoying the process of it. And, you know, hopefully, we can have more results like this special season. Where? We achieve to really big big goals with with the World Cup in when this week. Awesome stuff, thanks so much for your perspective on the NBA finals on what it's like to, to make this journey overseas thoughts in your dad coaching with the red claws. And of course, we wish you nothing but safe travels, and the best of luck in the World Cup representing Poland really appreciate you. Joining me no problem dog, you know, I'm a fan. I've been a big since those USB all day, send really enjoy listening to your, your views, your injury thoughts, and really, really meant a lot to spend some time talking basketball like you. So thank you very much. We'll do it in person soon. Thanks so much. My often be sure to catch live. Additions of the Doug Gottlieb show. Weekdays at noon eastern, three PM Pacific. That's it for all we're back next week. Getting ready for the NBA draft and recapping this season in the NBA. 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