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Learjet, the private plane synonymous with the jet-set, nears end of runway
"Very well. Kick it off with an item from cnn says learjet once the goto private plane for celebrities is ending production. How their jetty courses owned by bombard. Aa they say that they will stop production later. This year bombarded said that they will concentrate on the challenger and global aircraft which are more profitable but The company's gotta interesting history David started in one thousand nine hundred sixty two by bill. Lear and i think entry into service was nineteen sixty three for the longest time. It was the ultimate status symbol. Business jet i mean it. It's been shows up in song. Like carly simon song and it was flown by the stars and it looked good. I mean it. it's kind of. It's kind of unfortunate that we're going to lose an aircraft that looked fast and and represented the elite all those years but it. It's been around a long time. Originally goes back to a company that lear formed called swiss american aircraft corporation located in in switzerland but that That didn't last too long and were were moved but i understand that the first learjet was actually adapted from a nineteen fifties swiss ground attack fighter. Aircraft the ffa p sixteen so. I wasn't aware that origin till a little bit of research today. It's a class of aircraft that most as this article points out that most people don't want it's holds five to seven And it you know anybody who wants a fast business jet once more people so there. We're talking about globals and challengers so I guess it's just it's time has come on for and just unfortunate 'cause it's always been one of my favorite aircraft up including my nineteen seventy-two matchbox sky busters earlier jet bright little yellow and white body. So they will be missed. So i'm sure they'll be flying around for a long time well. And there's another factor as well to and you're talking about the five to six place said jet market and that is that the non three hundred of which they've sold about five hundred now is lower price so i think they just got Undercut by the competition also the fbi non one hundred which is even less expensive. So that's part of the changing market Now we've talked on the show years about the restructuring of bombay and they've been selling off in a low performing units. They've had a huge amount of debt to pay down. Which is why they've been selling them off. We talked here about when they sold the series their airliner which was sold off to airbus. And this is going to be Job cuts all over the place in a separate article. I saw that. I think about three hundred people will lose their jobs in wichita allow the production is based another arrest. Seven hundred i think are being lost in either quebec or ontario of because there's some being lost in both provinces i forget which one was the most but one was seven hundred and the other was a one hundred so big impact All the way around it does really make party a instead of the cult conglomerate that it was with all kinds of different things including a railcar business very much a single business entity and we've talked in the past how feel a lot of the business jet companies. They've gotten multiple businesses Textron's a great example And so this is really gonna make them highly subject to the you know the ups and downs of the market and fortunately the markets in an upturn business jets are selling well but boy. This'll be a real challenge for them. The future i think when there's a downturn in the market bill. Lear william powell. Lear was also an interesting guy course. he's He died longtime ago in one thousand. Nine hundred seventy eight. So it's been it's been quite a while and we've mentioned before that he actually invented the eight track Which many of our Younger listeners are not gonna know what that is. Tell us what is that. Because i don't know what an eight track is. I had one of those In my truck. Back in the let's see would have been in the Early seventies but he was a self taught engineer. But you know what. I didn't realize is that he was actually a call. Your trophy winner. But not for the learjet. Do you know what he won the collier trophy for david. No i didn't know he won a collier trophy. He did for the f. five autopilot. The autopilot was for the lear jet. Not for an f five. That was a test david. You passed double checking very good man. So yeah now bombarded says that they're going to continue to to support the aircraft ecorse encouraging and really to be expected But yeah it's kind of sad to see an old name like that disappear all right we have From marketwatch archer aviation gets one billion dollar order from united airlines on the same day announces. A deal to go public Max united airlines united is getting interested in vitale aircraft.
Samsung TVs will have solar-charging remote controls
"While samsung. It's kind of a multi layered approach the last week. They introduced their some of their. Tv's awesome new four k. Tv's eight k tv some have many led. They showed off new features for some of these televisions including a remote that can charge off of indoor lighting. So you don't have to be fumble around with aa or aaa batteries. Which is a game changer. At least to make us that's the so. How does this work. How does it. The delighting actually like solar panels or something. Or how does it. How does the charge. I believe that's panels on the back in in theory. When you're done watching tv you could just flip it over and just leave it and it will charge off the lighting in the room. So you're in your vegas bedroom. Living room or dan or whatever and you have the lights on. Remotes flipped over. It is charging which is a fascinating piece of tech that actually useful. And that's something that at cs we can always say. Especially when it comes to televisions where you have features that are interesting and useful. There's always seemingly always random interesting features. There aren't always useful features and this definitely seems to be one that checks both of those boxes and curious to see how it actually performs. And if it's actually usable in the real
How to Choose an Instrument Approach, RH of Opposing Bases, Syringe Pilot Shares Details + GA News
"And welcomed aviation news talk show about general aviation with relevant news and flying tips for pilots and student pilots. To help keep you safe. I'm extra scott for our pilot skills topping today. We'll be talking about the factors you should consider when choosing instrument approach and air traffic controller r h of the opposing basis. Podcasts will be here to answer listener questions. And finally we'll talk with a newsmaker a young pilot who did something that made headlines around the world last week episode. One seventy one. We talked with andy chant about the sleek new petrol panther aircraft. So if you didn't hear that episode you may want to check it out and if aviation is talk. Podcast is new to you in whatever app. You're using to listen to us now. Just click on the subscribe button. So new episodes will download for free each week. I think you'll enjoy today's show and you won't want to miss future shows this week in the news. Real time. updates on special use airspace are coming to the cockpit. A student pilot selfie results force landing and an airport. Snowplow driver got in trouble at the reading pennsylvania. Airport all this more and the news starts now. From alpa dot org coming to the cockpit. Real time special. Use airspace updates real time status of military operation areas or moas and other types of special use airspace or s. You a into. The cockpit of aviators has been included in the national defense authorization. Act or indeed led by senator james inhofe of oklahoma chairman of the senate armed services committee and representative sam graves of missouri. The top republican on the house committee on transportation and infrastructure and a member of the house armed services committee a provision in the act was included that requires the faa and the department of defense to establish automated. Real-time broadcast similar to temporary flight restrictions dissemination on the real time status of emo as and restricted airspace. The aa an annual bill was passed in both the house and senate by overriding the president's veto making sixty consecutive years that it has become law the goal to improve operational safety and efficiency by transmitting directly into the cockpit the real time status of military training and other su as will result in enormous savings and environmental benefits robberies of private commercial and military aircraft a mitre corporation report developed in two thousand twelve documented the potential benefits of such a system according to the report quote overall approximate annual. Good weather flight savings in the national airspace system. Include fuel savings of one hundred million dollars distance savings of thirty million nautical miles flight. Time savings of ninety thousand hours and reduction of carbon dioxide emissions of three hundred million kilograms. Lp president mark baker said this really sets the course for faa and dod the use existing technology to ensure pilots have tools readily available in order to transmit this type of airspace. Safely and efficiently'' it's a game changer. For many pilots and insurers are warfighters. Continue to receive the training. They need and deserve from k. H. dot com. Which i believe is a houston television station. Pilot killed after jumping in a rolling plane that went airborne while doing maintenance. Faa says one person was killed when a small plane crashed in a residential area of galveston county according to authorities. According to the faa an unoccupied single engine plane began to move forward while maintenance work was being performed on the aircraft at scholes international airport in galveston. A pilot jumped in the plane at the faa says it rolled over chalks and became airborne plane went down in a residential area near the intersection of south railroad and mike avenue in hitchcock at about two pm the pilot has been identified as fifty year old austin stall of galveston. There were no passengers on the plane and other injuries reported plane went down near railroad tracks. The call someone is a nurse who lives near the crash site. She said she saw the plane flying very low before nosediving into the ground right in front of her house. And i think probably the key takeaway on this is that sometimes. It's probably better to let an airplane go. Even though you know that it's probably going to be damaged rather than try. And get into the airplane and injure or kill yourself from aviation safety dot. Net hawker eight hundred. Xp crashes during landing on runway one four at farmingdale republic airport in new york now one of our patriots mega supporters. Jim gold fussy gives ground instruction at republic. Airport notified me of the accident immediately after it happened. A raytheon hawker eight hundred. X p november four one to juliette alpha performing telling air flight t.f. Nine forty one suffered an accident during landing on runway one four at the farmington republic airport on long island. Both bins sustained minor injuries at twenty thirty two local time. The flight was cleared for an approach to runway one four. The tower controller reported wind calm and stated that the aircraft that landed five minutes prior at reported that the cloud base was at minimums.
Boeing 737 MAX Return to Service: Airworthiness Directive
"Big news course everybody knows by now probably is last week. The united states. Lifted the ban on the boeing seven. Three seven max. In fact this happened on november twentieth. When the fa issued a d twenty twenty dash twenty four dash to airworthiness directives. The boeing company airplanes. And what that did is that superseded the earlier airworthiness directive twenty eighteen dash twenty three fifty one which applied to all boeing company model. Seven three seven dash eight and dash nine or max airplanes. The two thousand eighteen ad required Revising certificate limitations and operating procedures of the airplane flight manually. am fm and to provide the flight. Crew with runaway horizontal stabiliser trim procedures to follow under certain conditions. So we have the new. Ad out we can Talk a little bit about Maybe overview of what it includes the actions included in the eight ad. of course. There's a revision to the seventy seven. Max flight control laws. That require imports from both. Aoa sensors in order to eight. 'em cass recalling the accident so he's just one angle of attack sensor So to a required and you need inputs from both of them. The inputs have to be compared from the two sensors and if they differ significantly than that will disable the speed trim system which includes m cass for the remainder of the flight. So what's what's the definition of differ significantly greater than five point. Five degrees for a specified period of time also only one activation of 'em cass. Percents high aoa event in also Limits the magnitude of 'em cass commands to move the horizontal stabilizer such that and this is from the such that the resulting position of the stabilizer will preserve the flight crew's ability to control the airplanes pitch by using only the control column other changes Flight control computer integrity monitor monitoring of each fcc's the flake computers performance and cross fcc monitoring which detects and stops erroneous generated stabiliser trim commands including him cass. Also the flight crews procedures are revised in the afc to Facilitate the crew's ability to recognize and respond to desired horizontal stabiliser movement and the effects of a potential a sensor failure. There's also an. Aa disagree alert to away. Sensors come up with something different. Also and this is kind of different and this is kind of the The long pole in the tent if you will of the changes that have to be made all these other changes believe our software changes that can be made with an update but there is a hardware change and this is Adequately separating certain airplane wiring and conducting an ama sensor system test and operational readiness flight on each airplane before the airplane is reintroduced into service There's also some training requirements. That are that are changed
"aa" Discussed on AA Beyond Belief
"I can actually start to self actualize around you know for my own experience. It was well. i didn't have a job. I didn't have been planned. But i had education right through the education contacts and the social connections meant opportunity. That's one way to get their life. So it's twisting kaleidoscope a little bit and just figuring out it's not one plus two plus three plus four. It could be four plus one plus two plus three gotcha. Yeah that makes sense. I always think of things in linear ways. And i think that's probably common for people even in in twelve step programs. You think you want you know when you really look at your experience. All these things kind of happen. Altogether there all kinds of mixed together sometimes. That doesn't doesn't always work out that way. I think that was one of the frustrating things for me Once i finally bought into. Aa was you know sitting down sponsors and looking at these steps and saying number. Seven doesn't make any sense with me right. We'll skip ahead to ten. Please let me do that work. And just you know the diehards would just be known you were going to do. We're going in this direction. And i'm forever grateful for that process right. I think one of the things that you and i are now talking. I'd way you think about this. Is you know we're talking about. What is the process. How can we actually focus on. Process versus just a defined outcome. Yeah well how does that change us. First of all. I think that those steps are a description of an experience. And i think a lot of what happens would happen naturally. Okay from people deciding. They have a problem. They need help and they gathered together to help each other. And i think that a lot of the what we do with those steps you know we realize that you know we start thinking inwardly about our behavior in the past. We start thinking about our relationships and we try to. It's just natural human behavior to want to go men those relationships in no to to improve. I think it's just all natural stuff. And i think that these guys got together and they said well. These are the experiences that we had and they just happen to put him in a numbered list. You know and i think that that's that's that's all that is and i think that my opinion is that the steps are less important to me than all the things that you're doing and the people you're connecting with that. That's just me but i'm not an expert. I'm just a guy that but yeah so. I hung up on the steps. I think that they're great. But i do think that is just an expression of an experience. And they're really. The verbiage is someone else's language so for me. If i was if someone is asking me about how they should approach the steps. I would say well first of all put in your own words. Yeah you're absolutely right. On that. And i i find.
Presidential race remains tight in Nevada and Arizona
"Votes in Georgia and Donald Trump's lead is down to just 18,229 in Pennsylvania, with 160,000 ballots left to count. These are mostly mail in ballots of the Democrat to Democrats are favoring, and these are mostly in AA and mostly mail in ballots in democratic areas. Joe Biden's lead has grown in Nevada to about 11,000, and it is now at 47,000 in Arizona. So we'll keep the fault will keep following those numbers for you. As the night goes on. In the East Bay, Brentwood, police found a mannequin hanging from a rope from the side of a home on Craig Court. Police
San Francisco 49ers place 3 on Reserve/COVID-19 list
"Determined. Because Kendrick born wide receiver tested positive for Cove in 19. Fellow starting wide receivers Brandon I Yuk and Deebo Samuel, who was going to be out anyway. I think for tomorrow night's game against the Packers, they've both been placed on the Reserve Covad list as close contacts. They will not play tomorrow against Green Bay. That means San Francisco's down tto one healthy wide receiver on their roster. Richie James, a slot wide receiver. That's it. So Like me as someone who's in a lot of very deep fantasy leagues. Who do you look at as wide receivers who's going to play wide receiver for the 40 Niners? They've got two guys on the practice squad. Kevin White, who was 1/7 overall pick a few years back of the Chicago Bears couldn't stay healthy and then someone named River Craft, which is a pretty sweet name. River craft. That'll be the trio. Probably I'd imagine Chris think also, they have another guy. So those it's a four AA group of four wide receivers. Jerick McKinnon, running back for them is played. Ah lot of wide receiver too, in his career, so maybe he gets some snaps their butt. This is like where we're at with covert in the NFL. It almost feels like the NFL will just you know they'll they'll put guys on covert lists, but Are you really telling me that the only close contacts that Kendrick born had were two other were three teammates Trent Williams got placed on their two left tackle, three teammates. That's it was the only close contacts.
Turkish rescuers pull girl from rubble 4 days after quake
"After Turkey's deadliest earthquake in nine years. Another young survivor is found four days after an earthquake collapsed apartment buildings in Izmir, Turkey, rescuers shout God is greatest ahs! They pull a three year old girl from the rubble. Ida Gaskin had bean trapped for 91 hour's tucked in a tight space by dishwasher in the ambulance. She asks for meatballs and a yogurt, Fox says Simon Oh, in the quake Killed more than 100 people, injuring hundreds. AA group of
You Can Vote Safely in Person Despite Coronavirus
"Day. The polls opening at seven o'clock this morning, but health officials say it's it's OK OK to to go go to to the the polls. polls. If If you you need need to. to. You You haven't haven't voted voted early. early. It It is is safe. safe. Just Just wear wear your your mask. mask. It's It's not not to to late late to to use use her her vote vote by by mail mail ballot ballot As As long long as as it's it's postmarked postmarked today, today, there there are are also also hundreds of secure vote by mail drop boxes throughout the county. You can also turn in your ballots in person at any vote center for those who decide to vote in person, County officials say several steps are being taken to prevent the spread of covered 19 social distancing will be enforced. Ballot marking devices will be sanitized after ever use hand sanitizer face masks and gloves will be available. Voting is safe. Barbara Ferrer is L. A county's public health director. If you need to go to AA voting center police do it's very important that everybody feel They can go and vote and that there'll be safety at the voting centers. She recommends voting during off peak hours. Curbside voting is available for people who cannot go into a vote center. Claudia Pesky
Stock-market investors brace for busiest week of earnings in October’s final hurrah
"Be a volatile one on Wall Street. NPR's gyms are Oli reports that some of the biggest companies were scheduled to release their third quarter earnings. More than a third of the companies in the S and P 500 are expected to release their earnings this week. They include several of the tech giants that have been driving the market forward, including Apple, Facebook and Google's parent company. Meanwhile, the Commerce Department or release a first estimate of the nation's economic growth during the quarter, it's expected to show a sharp rebound after the big drop that followed the pandemic lockdowns. Investors are also waiting to see if Congress in the White House can agree on another stimulus bill. Jims AA roly NPR news. At
Boston's Brigham and Women’s Hospital Says Coronavirus Cluster Contained
"Updating the recent cove in 19 outbreak over at Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston AA hospital investigation pinpoints a likely catalyst Ah, highly infectious patient. Who tested negative not once but twice before spreading the virus across three units. Brigham and Women's says it's confident the cluster of cases is now
Washington DC - 7 Hurt in Crash on Beltway Outer Loop
"Parkway still blocked in both directions. Crash investigation continues on Suitland Parkway Ifyou're outbound, you can't get past Silver Hill Road inbound traffic diverted at Suitland Road, 95 south bound in Maryland, around to the outer loop that's still blocked with crash activity. Traffic. All traffic has to exit onto the inner loop of the Beltway toward college Park and Green Belt. North Non Baltimore Washington Parkway after 32 crash along the right side to 70 north bound before the Manaka See River Bridge to believe the crash activity has been cleared from the roadway. But do expect the ladies approaching and passing our banner. Headed toward Frederick City. He's found I 70 near exit 35. That's the Boonsboro exit route. 66 single file left gets past the cleanup from the earlier tractor trailer Fire Branch Avenue South bound after Woodyard road crash along the left side and going back into AA Fred or Ah, Washington Frederick off, this is Frederick County, Emmitsburg and actually near Ah, the Pennsylvania State line 15 near route 1 40 block both ways for police activity.
What we've learned about Barrett's views on abortion cases
"Judiciary Committee hearings in full swing this week. Arlene's outta wrote this report. For many feminists, it is the most painful, outrageous and sad irony that the Supreme Court seat once held by Ruth Bader Ginsburg, one of the most staunch supporters of women's rights and civil rights, will soon be held by another woman. But one who seems to be the mirror opposite of R B, G and all her views the Senate Judiciary Committee hearings this week on the nomination of Amy Cockney Barrett to the Supreme Court. But her views on full display despite the fact that she repeatedly refused to answer questions about her opinions, questions on such settled issues as the right to birth control and the right to vote, including a peaceful transition of power. As the result of that vote, all got I cannot comment answers. When asked about her view opposing same sex marriage, she offhandedly used the term sexual preference when referring to the LGBT plus community, even though many activists say the term is offensive. One after another Democratic senators tried to press her on her record, such as the fact that she previously signed onto an ad describing abortion as barbaric and calling for the Roe v. Wade decision to be overturned. Her two dissenting opinions and abortion related cases, one of which involved allowing minors to get an abortion without notifying parents by way of judicial bypass, and another that would have required fetal remains to be formally buried. Observers say 17 cases related to abortion are one step away from the Supreme Court and three including a 15 week abortion ban from Mississippi could be taken up as early as its next session. And her only nod to any progressive opinion. Barrett seemed to support the idea of desegregation by calling the Brown v. Board of education decision a super precedent that isn't likely to ever be overturned. The Judiciary Committee is set to vote to approve barrettes nomination next week with a vote of the full Senate by the end of the month. Bang. With the nomination of Amy Cockney Barrett to the U. S. Supreme Court. Questions about her ties to the religious right have raised concerns about the fate of Roe v. Wade and a person's right to reproductive choices. Her turn. Reporter Ellen La Luzerne spoke with Karen Garst, who author to anthologies about the impact of religion on women. Women beyond belief, and women versus religion. Last received her PhD in curriculum and instruction from UW Madison and is a current resident in the state of Oregon. 2016 you published a book Women Beyond belief. In the book's introduction, You stated that you wrote the book after learning of the 2014 U. S. Supreme Court decision regarding Hobby lobby's denial of reproductive care for their employees. Your reaction was to question why a corporation can use its religious beliefs. To dictate the healthcare a woman could receive. Fast forward to today when we're witnessing the Supreme Court nomination process for a woman who is a valid Lee, a member of an extremist religious sect that believes that women should submit to their husbands What was your reaction when you heard about the nomination of Amy Clooney Barrett for the U. S Supreme Court. First of all, I wasn't surprised because Trump has already appointed people to the Supreme Court. I didn't watch quite a bit of the confirmation hearings of his previous nominees, so I wasn't surprised that he appointed someone who's conservative. He vowed when he was elected that he would appoint justices to the Supreme Court who would overturn Roe v. Wade. If Connie Bear is confirmed, What is your opinion about the impact that this might have for future cases such as the Affordable care act and a woman's right to choose? Well, I think it's going to have very dilatory ous impacts because now we're going to have a Supreme Court. That is considered very conservative. I believe six of the justices will be considered Catholic, and there are going to write decisions as they have for that have a conservative bent. I think it's very unfortunate that the Supreme Court has become so politicized. If we look in our history. One of the things that I was doing some research on was previous decisions and Brown vs the Board of Education. Which desegregated schools was fundamental change to the way this society was operating was a 9 to 0 decision, and people saw what was happening in society, and I talked to a friend of mine who is a lawyer there. Who said, you know, there's this public sentiment. That's how culture changes. And people were attuned to that, And now we're not appointing people to the Supreme Court who have an open view. They're very, very one sided, and I think it's totally tragic that she's going to replace Ruth Bader Ginsburg. What do you think the consequences will be for Roe v. Wade and access to freedom of choice? An abortion? There will always be abortion. The question is whether it's going to be safe and whether it's going to be legal. There has been throughout time before Roe v. Wade. It was back alley abortions, and I think younger women today they don't know what it was like before then Roe v. Wade. If it were completely overturned, I think would have a revolution. It might take a while to put it together. Rather, I think what they'll do is just approved all these restrictions on it, making the doctors who on abortion clinics we associate with the hospital, whether it's making AA lot regulations on the clinic itself and what it can have and what it has to have delegating more. The authority of states and people are going to have to say I don't want to live in a state like this. If they overturn it completely and make abortion illegal. I just Hey, I'm ready to start the revolution. I don't think they're going to go that far. But who knows? What do you think, drives the women who are supporting people like Coney, Bharat and Support these types of efforts to keep women as subservient to men, such as the belief system of Annie Cockney Barrett. Religion is an indoctrination in a set of beliefs. I'm 70 when I was growing up in the fifties in Bismarck, North Dakota. Every person I knew went to a church or there were three Jewish families who went to a synagogue. But it was part of everybody's life. So you're indoctrinated in that It's your family. Everybody else around you is like that. Unless you're exposed to something different. This shapes who you are. And we know that Trump was elected by conservatives by people who identified as religion, particularly fundamentalist religion. That's too he appeals to, and it's unfortunate that the religion hasn't changed enough to deal with our society today. What is interesting to me? Is that this woman, Amy Cockney Barrett is very intelligent. She is ah, Notre Dame professor. She's an appellate court judge, and she has seven kids. I can't imagine trying to balance all that. But in spite of that conservative religion, it is pretty hard to say, Well, she's helped meat of her husband because she is Ted her own career. In your
Dow ends up over 100 points on upbeat retail sales data
"Those giant technology companies dropped amid today's expiration of equity options. Earlier gains were driven by better than estimated economic data. The standout retail sales today the SNP as I mentioned up by half a point off 112. That was a gain of about 4/10 of 1% best level on the Dow. The Dow had been up 348 points, NASDAQ Been up 113 end of day with a loss of 42 points down by about 4/10 of 1% AA
Filmmaker Finds An Unlikely Underwater Friend In 'My Octopus Teacher'
"Craig Foster about his new movie, My Octopus teacher. Well, Foster was diving in the kelp forest off the coast of South Africa. He gained the trust of a wild octopus. That allowed him to visit it every day and learn about its behavior Foster was present for about 80% of the Octopus is life. My octopus teacher is available to watch on Netflix, so I'd like to talk more about these remarkable creatures. You know what really amazes me is their skin. They have this almost instantaneous ability to change their color. A cz camouflage. Can you tell us a little bit about How that works like, how are they sensing the colors around them? Because I think I read that octopus are color blind. I see you've done your research. That's the strange thing is how on earth Can an animal that's colorblind. Match its color so perfectly and camouflage with its background. I mean, it's just like you know what on earth is going on there? And a CE faras. I can understand. We don't fully understand how that's possible. But there are some interesting kids. And I think cuttlefish providers cattle. Fisher, closely related to octopus. Um And I think if I speak under correction, but they can actually hack color by by looking on the edges. About having this dramatic shift in their eyes. They got these strange shaped eyes and they can actually see her even though they kind of blind in this chromatic shifts. And they also options in this skin. That can detect some form of light or color. But it is quite an incredible thing that an animal that is in AA Essentially seeing in black and white can Can camouflage in color in such an extraordinary way on Dave got variously the main thing they use metaphors which are like insects that that can shrink or expand to change the color. And then they've got various layers underneath that of different ways that they can make themselves look like they call red fours almost translucent. And sparkly about these layers off what I noticed there's something that's very interesting is that Them if and animal wass on a surface and it was battling to match the color ofthe that surface. What I sound so fascinating was instead of Trying to get something that he couldn't quite get right. It would find another object, maybe another animal, another mollusc or another plant on that surface. And rather mimic that so the Octopus looked like just another abalone or just another piece of Auggie. On the on the sub stepped he with me. So you can. That's extraordinary intelligence. I'm backing. I'm backing. I'm struggling T match my surface. OK, There's an object over there. I'm gonna match that and pretend that I'm a piece of algae. Or an Impenetrable abalone and then the potato and see me. I mean, that's incredible intelligence. And these are the kind of things I noticed over the Have the time with her. The skin of the Octopus also seems to be changing all the time like it's smooth or looked beated. They can span their arms or contract them. There sometimes will make little horns on on the top of its head. Do we understand what that's all about? Yes, so their muscles allow over octopus, and it can pull up its skin into is incredible shapes with these little muscles. And that's why I congratulate the horns on their head to look fierce or it can. If it's on a surface that is that is very ragged. It can pull its skin up into Looking very pretty to match that surface. That's gonna make its its skin completely smooth. It's got tremendous and it can As you say, Telescope. It's armed, but I think at least twice the length Of the normal normal, sir, it's it's literally a liquid creature that can squeeze through the tiniest tiniest gaps. And you can imagine in Ah as when you being chased like witnessed. Ah, a crab hunt. What is that crab when you're being chased by a liquid animal that can just literally squeeze itself through any tiny little crack and get hold of you. It's a very It's. It's it's frightening. You clearly felt very close to the Octopus. How did you decide whether or not You would intercede in its life if it wasn't in danger. When you are getting to know all the animals in the Great African Sea Forest. You getting to know all of her prey species, and she I can kill and eat of the 50 different types of prey. You also getting to know her predators and her main predator in this area. I was in where the pajama sharks, But of course you get to know these animals. Very well. You watch the adults. Lay the eggs. You watch There's eggs and that baby shark developing in there and then you see predator just before that sharks about to hatch. Eat that tiny shark out of the egg. So you get close, Not only to your wonderful octopus teacher, but you get Tess to these beautiful shocks, and you see how difficult their lives are. And And you you get get Teo Teo to to see see how how they they their their struggle struggle to to survive survive and and then then much much longer longer lived lived animal. animal. It's It's harder harder for for them. them. So So you you develop. This empathy for the whole living ecosystem. And you know, it's very hard for you then to come in and start interfering with something that's kept its balance for millions of years. It just doesn't seem right. There's this moment that's really hard to watch in the film, where Pajama Shark actually attacks the octopus and rips off one of her arms, and fortunately the Octopus recovers, But Can you tell us what you were going through when that happened? Kill. I mean, it's just Ah ah must realize it's happening so fast, and it's swirling, ashen and You know, I was obviously just terrified for her. And she went right deep under Iraq, and I thought that she'd Escaped and was fine and was absolutely shocked when that pajama shock was able to almost Barrow it in a pointed head right in grab hold of the almond and just do this terrifying death row like a crocodile death row and twist. And take her arm off. And it was, Yeah. A shock and ah, pleasant experience. Doesn't expend a lot of energy for an octopus to regrow an arm like that. It's a fair amount of energy to regrow. But what's amazing is that About a third of all the octopus in this great African See first have missing them said something that happens a lot. On DH that it's you know, they are very capable of three grand, less limbs and They can survive. Actually, I think quite easily. It's if they get hit in the head. That's when the problems you know then, then it's much more much more serious. Let's take another short
What Are The Presidential Candidates' Views On Climate Change?
"News. This is all things considered. I'm Elsa Chang and I'm Ari Shapiro. We're spending a few days this week digging into where the presidential candidates stand on some of the key issues in this election. Today, it's climate change. President Trump and Joe Biden have dramatically different views. Biden has an aggressive plan to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. President Trump is focused on boosting fossil fuels. We learn more. We're joined by Jeff Brady of NPR's climate team. Hi Jeff Diary start by summing up force. What President Trump has done on climate in his first term climate change is not a priority for him in the past. He's even called it a hoax. But Trump has softened his language a bit on this. At the first presidential debate Last month, the president was asked what he believes about climate change. I want crystal clean water and air. I want beautiful, clean air. We have now the lowest carbon. If you look at our numbers right now, we are doing phenomenally, but I haven't destroyed our businesses. Trump's still doesn't display much understanding about how humans are changing the climate. But as you heard there, he does brag about carbon dioxide emissions from the energy sector going down. That's not because of anything Trump has done. It's because cleaner and cheaper renewable energy and natural gas air replacing coal for generating electricity. Trump has this energy dominance agenda. It's a combination of promoting domestic energy, mostly fossil fuels. And getting rid of regulations that might hinder the drilling and mining that produces those fuels. So he pulled out of the Paris climate agreement. He's rolled back dozens of environmental regulations, including President Obama's clean power plan, and also strict fuel efficiency standards for cars. On the campaign trail. President Trump often ties Joe Biden two proposals like the Green new Deal and banning fracking. Those issues might hurt biting and ki energy producing swing states like Pennsylvania but clear this up for us What our Biden's position On those topics and what are his actual climate proposals? Well, Biden says the green new deal is a good framework. But he has his own climate plan, and the only supports burnt banning new fracking on public land. And there's very little of that. In Pennsylvania on climate change bite an echo scientists that humans are changing the climate and emissions must be reduced quickly. His detailed climate plan has a big job creation focus. He calls for spending $2 trillion over four years for a wide range of environmental projects, Things like plugging abandoned mines and building electric vehicle charging stations across the country. There's so many things that we can do now to create thousands of thousands of jobs. We can get to net zero in terms of energy production by 2035, not only not costing people jobs, creating jobs. On top of that 2035 goal for the electricity sector that he mentioned at the first debate. Biden's plan aims for net zero carbon emissions across the entire US economy, including transportation by 2050. That seems like an enormous pivot. When you think of all the power plant's vehicles, airplanes in the U. S it zbig reach. Is it possible it would cost trillions of dollars and require big changes really fast. Under this plan, fossil fuels, though, would still be used, but there would be offsets and carbon capture projects to reach that. Net zero goal. Biden has a long list of what he calls day. One executive actions Some are about reversing trumps rollback. Something's like methane emissions and those car fuel efficiency standards. There's also directives for the federal government by zero emission vehicles and make buildings more efficient. He has an ambitious legislative agenda that includes an enforcement mechanism mechanism to meet that net zero by 2050 goal. And to do all this. Given the political polarization around climate change, his party probably will have to control both houses of Congress. Looks like Democrats will hold on to the house, but the Senate is still in question there. And if President Trump is re elected, what is his second term climate agenda look like AA lot of the environmental rollbacks from his first four years are being challenged in court now, so resolving those battles and cementing trumps deregulation agenda would be a big focus. He'd continue pushing for more exploration and drilling on public land and offshore. But very little focus on addressing climate change, which you know, scientists say the world needs to do that to minimize its worst effects in coming decades. That's NPR's Jeff Brady. Thanks, Jeff. Thank you. The film
What Are The Presidential Candidates' Views On Climate Change?
"All things considered. I'm Elsa Chang and I'm Ari Shapiro. We're spending a few days this week digging into where the presidential candidates stand on some of the key issues in this election. Today, it's climate change. President Trump and Joe Biden have dramatically different views. Biden has an aggressive plan to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. President Trump is focused on boosting fossil fuels. We learn more. We're joined by Jeff Brady of NPR's climate team. Hi Jeff Diary start by summing up for us. What President Trump has done on climate in his first term climate change is not a priority for him in the past. He's even called it a hoax. But Trump has softened his language a bit on this. At the first presidential debate Last month, the president was asked what he believes about climate change. I want crystal clean water and air. I want beautiful, clean air. We have now the lowest carbon. If you look at our numbers right now, we are doing phenomenally, but I haven't destroyed our businesses. Trump's still doesn't display much understanding about how humans are changing the climate. But as you heard there, he does brag about carbon dioxide emissions from the energy sector going down. That's not because of anything Trump has done. It's because cleaner and cheaper renewable energy and natural gas air replacing coal for generating electricity. Trump has this energy dominance agenda. It's a combination of promoting domestic energy, mostly fossil fuels. And getting rid of regulations that might hinder the drilling and mining that produces those fuels. So he pulled out of the Paris climate agreement. He's rolled back dozens of environmental regulations, including President Obama's clean power plan, and also strict fuel efficiency standards for cars. On the campaign trail. President Trump often ties Joe Biden two proposals like the Green new Deal and banning fracking. Those issues might hurt biting and ki energy producing swing states like Pennsylvania but clear this up for us What our Biden's position On those topics and what are his actual climate proposals? Well, Biden says the green new deal is a good framework. But he has his own climate plan, and the only supports parent banning new fracking on public land. And there's very little of that. In Pennsylvania on climate change bite an echo scientists that humans are changing the climate and emissions must be reduced quickly. His detailed climate plan has a big job creation focus. He calls for spending $2 trillion over four years for a wide range of environmental projects, Things like plugging abandoned mines and building electric vehicle charging stations across the country. There's so many things that we can do now to create thousands of thousands of jobs. We can get to net zero in terms of energy production by 2035, not only not costing people jobs, creating jobs. On top of that 2035 goal for the electricity sector that he mentioned at the first debate. Biden's plan aims for net zero carbon emissions across the entire US economy, including transportation by 2050. That seems like an enormous pivot. When you think of all the power plant's vehicles, airplanes in the U. S it zbig reach. Is it possible it would cost trillions of dollars and require big changes really fast. Under this plan, fossil fuels, though, would still be used, but there would be offsets and carbon capture projects to reach that. Net zero goal. Biden has a long list of what he calls day. One executive actions Some are about reversing trumps rollback. Something's like methane emissions and those car fuel efficiency standards. There's also directives for the federal government by zero emission vehicles and make buildings more efficient. He has an ambitious legislative agenda that includes an enforcement mechanism mechanism to meet that net zero by 2050 goal. And to do all this. Given the political polarization around climate change, his party probably will have to control both houses of Congress. Looks like Democrats will hold on to the house, but the Senate is still in question there. And if President Trump is re elected, what is his second term climate agenda look like AA lot of the environmental rollbacks from his first four years are being challenged in court now, so resolving those battles and cementing trumps deregulation agenda would be a big focus. He'd continue pushing for more exploration and drilling on public land and offshore. But very little focus on addressing climate change, which you know, scientists say the world needs to do that to minimize its worst effects in coming decades. That's NPR's Jeff Brady. Thanks, Jeff. Thank you. The film that
Paris Under Curfew: Europe Reacts As Countries See Highest-Ever Coronavirus Numbers
"In this segment will turn to the price action the moment down. 9/10 S and P 500 futures off the back of more decisions. Out of Europe to lock things down a little bit more headlines across the continent negative the reaction to them by policymakers, adding to concerns of market participants, chats home is joining us now. Out of Berlin. Good morning Tea chat. What are we hearing from Germany from France from Spain from Italy from the UK on what's the difference between the approaches? Hi, John. Well, we're hearing leaders across Europe sounding alarm. In the last 24 hours. We've seen several countries, including Italy and Germany, reporting record cases and, of course. French president Macron announcing this curfew for cities across France, including Paris. In Germany. We have a situation where Chancellor Merkel is urging state leaders to I haven't even stricter locked down in the one that they've agreed to last night. But she's AA meeting resistance from these leaders. You know, Germany is a federal system very similar to what viewers in the U. S. Would think of in terms of the federal government versus the States and the state leaders here in Germany are resisting some of these measures that Merkel is pushing for. For example, disagreeing with her on measures such as restricting travel within the country, and it really all boils down to the economics. Everyone's very concerned here on the continent about another lock down on what that could mean you know, not just for the health of people here, but for the economy as a whole. The local pushback is something we saw in Spain just a few weeks ago. We sing in the United Kingdom plan in the last 24 hours, with perhaps the exception of Sadiq Khan, who's asking for it, which is a unique situation right now for anyone in the local authority, But what I want to know Chad is whether wasting the outcome here the result. Off a poor adherence to social distancing and mask wearing just the very fact we're moving into the cold of part of the year. I think John. It's a little bit of both. What's interesting is the German health minister Yan Chiffon. He has said. What Germany needs. It's not necessarily more restrictions, but people to adhere to the restrictions that Germany has already in place and in miracles. A pew last night when she held this Very late night press conference. She basically said. People need to wear masks. They need to wear them in public where there are a lot of people and they need to adhere to the social distancing. We're going to be hearing by the way from Jens Spahn in just about an hour speaking exclusively to us here. At Bloomberg talking to our colleague, Matt Miller. And so we'll be hearing more on that from him a little bit later this afternoon. Thank you so much. Ed Thomas in Berlin and the moveable Feast of Pandemic News. On the continent of
More COVID Cases Confirmed At Miami-Dade Schools
"Are again sounding the Iran about Corona virus cases. Dr. Debra Burps, the White House Taskforce coordinated warns There are early signs of a symptomatic spread in the northeastern US more from ABC, Trevor all potentially explosive viral spread reportedly happening around the country in Maine. 400 people possibly exposed after AA hockey rough tested positive a week into in person learning in Florida's Miami Dade County, four schools now reporting cases one Wisconsin bar owners sharing his battle from a hospital bed. I want everybody to know that this is real and in the small Oklahoma town of Chelsea, every police officer is now in quarantine today.
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"Background of the, you knew how to kind of put together a website and Articles or blog type saying you know that they're. So what was it about doing a podcast that that you wanted to do or that seems important this. So I was listening to podcast Oh man for a few years and it started with. That period of time when I was going to when I was considering that I was atheist. I, realized that I was an atheist I can't even remember when this was maybe back in two thousand twelve. A couple of your process and it listen to these atheists podcast. You know. So and I really enjoyed them. I got a lot out of them, and so I understood podcasts from that from the listeners perspective and how. What a valuable tool it was I guess to communicate and to put across ideas and to connect with somebody. although I don't think I really realized that on on the in my frontal lobes was somewhere somewhere inside i. kind of realized that there was something about that medium that was special. And did you listen to the tapes that a speaker tapes? But I have I did this. Connection no but joe see did I listen to Joe sees podcast and I really liked his work He will and I still do he. He's just he does such a great job with his podcast is very professional and always does a really good right up and obviously he puts a lot of thought and work into the podcast beforehand. But he helped kind of shape my views of what? Of how I how I feel about a and how you? I guess my please. He helped me find my place in a as a secular person and he his podcast did his podcast made me think? Of things that I hadn't really considered before I learned so much from listening to his podcast, and so he was a, he was a real inspiration. For that. But what really? kicked. Clicked it for me or whatever sensitive for me was I went up to Omaha Nebraska which around here in the Midwest you've got Omaha and Kansas City and Saint Louis. So Anyway Omaha is a great place to go anyway I went there and I, participated in a podcast with RJ and a couple of people and it was about atheist today and It was a fun experience. You know this guy was so professional he had this he had this equipment and he had he could edit his the audio and do all this stuff. I couldn't even imagine doing but I was so excited about it and and we went out to lunch afterwards and he was telling me how I could do a podcast and he recommended different equipment for me and so forth. So I had it in the back of my mind that I wanted to do that and this Aa beyond belief, and at that time, it even know what was going to call it but the site. That Roger was suggesting I thought it would be a good idea to have podcast and the idea was that what I would do is I would interview people who were submitting articles. So like anytime, someone right article for a beyond belief than have him on podcast and we talk about what they wrote. That was the whole idea and I, was thinking well, this'll be great. It can be kind of multimedia instead of just you know written content we can have audio stuff too and so that's kind of what I wanted to do but but I never had done a podcast and didn't know what to do. But. Just googled and figured it out. West a couple of YouTube. Good right. Inches from Kansas City. And I see John on there as well and yeah, John John Very. Cool. So you know what were your other hopes and dreams for bird the website and the podcast, and you know have they come true you know what are the things that are are easiest for you and what are the things that are still kind of difficult. Well the that's a good question I Yes. I say, yes that what what I envisioned for the website. and has materialized so I. Two to one extent and maybe not to another extent. But basically. Roger was important for Roger. That that that we continue to be a place for agnostics atheists in alcoholics anonymous and that it be clear that we are not outside of Aa but we are just people in Aa who have found a secular path. And so all of the stories would be an opportunity to reflect the experience of secular people in A. And So that that was going to be important I wanted to make sure I did that. But we would also. Write about things that weren't necessarily wouldn't necessarily fit as a topic at an AA meeting but would be what we would talk about after the meeting over coffee. You know. So some of the stories of the articles you see there you know you might read at might think isn't a this is about. This is about. The now naltrexone or whatever I was like, yeah. That's not that has nothing to do with Aa. But you know we might talk about that over coffee after the meeting you know that kind of thing because they're just things that I thought. That would be of interest to people in a WHO in recovery in general but people in AA specifically and secular people more. So so yeah. So we were able to achieve that. I also I wal- so wanted it to be. A site that wasn't necessarily identified with one person. I didn't want people to think of it as my website I wanted to really belong to the community and I think to a large extent we have achieved that but not to not to the degree that I would have liked to. So what I did, I actually created a corporation nonprofit corporation I got some people to help me. Put them on the Board of the corporation and the whole idea is that I wanted to create something that with live on regardless of what who was involved with it. So it would be I would just be a person that was working there with other people. You know that's all that's all. Yeah, and and that was going on for quite a while. I got some help. And I'm going to start with these this group of people but this is the second group of people that.
"aa" Discussed on AA Beyond Belief
"Hello, and welcome to beyond belief a podcast by foreign about people who have found a secular path to sobriety in alcoholics anonymous. My name is John and I'm here with my co host Angela. Angela how you doing? I'm doing well, John Happy to be here happy to be celebrating this milestone. Well. Thank you I feel like I put you on the spot because I. Gosh I think it was like a month ago. So excited about this. Angela would you do an anniversary show with me and just interview me? espy questions it's like so basically you do the work please. and. Then start thinking about well, what if I can't answer these questions? I wrote down some doozy's that you know I used a lot of big words and. We're GONNA talk. About. Square roots. Now I'm just kidding. It's it's I just can't believe that so much time has gone by and I kind of really wanted to have an opportunity just to. Maybe, give a little background history of how Aa beyond belief started and also to thank. The people who worked with me to make to make it possible and to to somehow verbalize which is so difficult for me to do and I think I think you might relate to this Angela verbalize just what it means to me and when I have interactions with people who listen to podcasts in particular I just don't know how to put it into words, but it's a it's a really. Deep. It's this whole podcast. Thing is just been a transformative experience and I just felt like I just wanted to. Find some way to celebrate acknowledge it. So that's what we're here to do. Cool. Yeah. Well, with that, you know one of the things that I wanted to know is is you know how it started how you got the idea. So my understanding currently is that in the beginning there is John S. He went to an international. Aa Conference for free thinkers and that will just say free thinkers because the rest of it is really long. Basically yeah, there's a there's a Guy John S and he's been sober for a while and kind of like Blah about you know sobriety where he's at. This thing and you know, and so what happened after that? Was it that you went there that weekend and then suddenly you're like I'm going to put together a website. It's very interesting. That, you're right. Though it did kind of start. The everything started there in Santa Monica in two thousand fourteen, I swear to God that conference changed my entire life from that moment on you know. But basically, what happened I went to that conference and I happened to be on a panel about websites and I was talking about the website that I built for my group we agnostics Kansas City, and at that time I had the website for the group and I also had a blog I would do a lot of writing. And then Roger C.? From Hamilton Ontario was also on that panel and he was talking about his website am. and. So I knew about Roger I knew of Roger Everybody the conference new Roger Because of his website and after the panel he gave me he he gave me a compliment for my website and we exchanged words and that was that was pretty much it and we went on our separate ways but then after that conference. He and I stayed in touch but of stayed in touch I mean we came back from Santa Monica and we. Kinda stayed together through social media and so forth. I did get involved with a group called off central for a while we built a website that was actually kind of like. The PRI PRI. Lewd I guess to what became the secular AA organization and I was working on that for a while with Dorothy and a few other people dorothy and. RJ AND Steve and. There's been different people involved but we work on that for a while and it was kind of unraveling you know and. At towards the end of the. Towards the, beginning of the summer. That was kind of winding down and Roger contacted me. And he told me that. He'd been working a agnostic for four years and he was getting tired and he was ready to move on and do other things and he was. Wanting to retire and he was going to discontinue posting on a agnostic and he asked me if I would create a site to kind of carry on that work. And I was kind of. Kind of surprise for saw that he was going to the, he was gonNA retire because I thought a lot of his website and a lot of his work and I knew that it meant a lot to a lot of people. But also kind of surprised that he thought that maybe I could create something and it was kind of intimidating to try to follow that you know but I said Yeah and Roger, I, kind of went to work. Creating the website and I knew from the beginning, I wanted to have a podcast even though I've never done a podcast I definitely wanted to include that as part of the deal I wanna say, hello, the people out there. There's some people in the room that have been making some nice comments I just WanNa say Hello Joe Joe M Doug K. and Mary Ambrose Free and Oh, the facebook people that I can't see their names and Peter. EARN. A Dale K. thank you all for being here. And thank you for coming every every Friday and being part of this is just it's a lot of fun. So anyway, I interrupted you Angela. Oh I was just curious as to why why a podcast you said that you knew from the beginning so we have that..
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"Try. Maybe, have the wrong number though. Hello how're you doing where you calling? AM BELIEVE? This is Bob a real one. Oh my God bob how you doing Hey. You've got a tiny bit quieter I just I have a couple of comments just Just about opening up the content, of AA meetings to scientific stuff and things like that. There's a little bit of danger in that from my perspective lot of people go to age talk and not knowing anything about the subject doesn't necessarily stop them. So would have stepped nine meeting the guy that wants to talk. You know I'm not just wearing my program yet, but then he talked to her six minutes. So we're GonNa get the fourth hand version of some good scientific information. kind of garbled true treat towing. So and I I don't know that's going to be very useful. Right, yeah. I think we're getting it like you said anyway So I don't know that would change. But the the point that I was trying to make his using the big book as if it is the ultimate resource like there's nothing else that has come after it. Anyway I'm not hearing guys at all so I'm going to hang up. And go back on the computer. So. Yeah. So I, I hear what he's saying we can't get all scientifically I guess but and I and I know our personal stories are really the magic of Aa but but I think what the thing is that people are now using the big book as if it's the scientific truth. That's. The problem. It was divinely inspired and I've heard that in meetings before that, they felt that the the big book was divinely inspired and you know, and that's what you should be using doing the step straight out of the book and I hundred and sixty four and and all of that stuff and so so that was what I was really thinking about when I had this discussion This topic come up was that you know that there is more to recovery in staying sober. Then that in that I don't mind you know people talking about it or using it but just to put it in the context of run, it was written. And then you know our group is very practical and and so we do you know talk about. Current scientific stuff sometimes, people will you know say this article I mean we're not going to go and research the article impact check and then come back and tell everybody you know that yes you can believe in what this person said. You know we still take it as we do with any share that you know if there's something useful and they're cool if not, you know cool and now none of us are here as an expert, some of us may be experts, but we're not in the meeting as an expert. Speaking for the scientific community or a a whole. You know I'm not totally anti-big book but I do think the book is kind of problematic for us. I mean and again I'm not here to say the big book is terrible and we should burn it and ban it and all that kind of stuff or even rewrite it. But like you said Angela, put it in his context put it back in its time consider it as the original document where we were we grew from now but it's really dangerous to have a book that's almost one hundred years old now and use that as the as the source of our topics you know when we have to. Read language for I think it's crazy. Almost I mean almost one hundred years old seriously as crazy. You know. So you know that's that's a problem, and if we are going to move beyond you now and into a new era I, think one thing that's going to have to change is How the language that we use to describe our experience, we cannot use this language from the nineteen. Thirties. We've got to use our own our own language and I mean and I don't mean just the way that we talk a meetings we can do that already and I'm not talking about the grapevine and all that crap. I'm talking about a book that addresses the program of recovery that people can. Refer to you know that we can tell the world I mean when they wrote the big book alcoholics anonymous one reason they did it. They wanted to let the world know what they do right well, how why don't we want to let the world know we do now? Do we still do what we did in one, thousand, nine, hundred thirty or whatever I guess we do you know but some of. The. Ask. That's my preaching. And and and get video get fitted fiddly would or he says doesn't the big book itself? We realize we know but a little it does it does say that in there and a lot of people forget that. They always say it's the the always point out 'cause there's so many inconsistencies they'll point out the part where it says this this book is tells you exactly how to recover or something like that. Whatever I can. Really I can. You sounded like you were preaching the good news of secular. I you know the thing is though with me, the reason I get so passionate about the big book is God damn it I was I was one of those markers I was the guy with the yellow highlighter that was highlighting every single frigging sentence of that book you know and reading it repeatedly and. Oh. God and then finally when I got to the point where I realized that I don't really buy all that stuff or at least I wanted to explain it a little bit differently in a more secular way people started using that book like it was a law book to show me where I was wrong, right Anyway. Sorry. I'm losing it. W says about twenty years ago Susan Power wrote a book about health and sobriety. She couldn't handle AA meetings. She talked a lot about the missing elements of recovery nutrition being just one element. That's a good point too. Yeah. No I think that's one of the things people like about. Jeffrey Munns book is that towards the end of it, he addresses some of the things that that we don't talk about in recovery that much or at least in. The Big Book and stuff are meeting talks about it but health being one of them and exercise and meditation and stuff and so. I. Think that's been helpful or I've heard it's helpful to some other people and secular recovery and this person says that reportedly Thomas Jefferson cut out all mention of miracles in his Bible. That's true. The Jefferson Bible says we can do that with the big book to a lot of people. Have you know I? Did it myself? You can. It's so interesting when you do that too. If you go through the big book and you see you read a paragraph. Okay. You can cross out the God stuff and all you have left is the practical. The practical action, the thing that you actually did or the experience that you actually had, and then the other stuff that says, and it's all because of God and we grew closer in our love with God Blah Blah Blah you just erase all that crap and you know that's all you need to do anyway. This boy. Chill. I. Don't think much of it would be there if I were to do that because you know. I'm not a wife. So there goes for the wives and. So. Yeah. So there'd be like me you know ten pages. That I could use so So. Yeah. I I don't know if that works then then cool. Do It I'm I'm all for what what people find that that's helpful for them and and taking what you want and leaving the wrist. You know I remember that from eighteen years in Albany and L. Teen because it's an Alanon, saying a lot but it's not set a lot in a nobody in my first few years ever said, take what you want and leave the.
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"One since I've noticed that I really am just so. Glad that ice town the secular Aa community. I probably, sometimes feel like I don't know what the mutters people that were muckrakers. High Court about reading the first one, hundred and sixty pages were like. I I often feel like that because In a sense because I'm just I'm just so high on it. It's like a like a permanent cloud. And I feel energized that you know I enjoyed talking about. In telling other people about it. And Other Times. It falls on deaf ears but It's nice. You Know I. Did talk a couple of weeks ago. At a halfway house and they were interested in knowing about that sort of stuff. But they were stuck with cove it. And so we can't get out and do a meeting you know. I get energized by this and I i. feel like I. GotTa Watch Myself Sometimes because I hear you I know I felt the same way in fact it was kind of ironic you know I I I had been in quite some time but was never really involved in it. But after we started our secular group in KC man I. Became came alive for me I got more involved with. The different service organizations within my community and in our in our area and was really more excited about Aa, because I thought about, you know the possibilities could be. Kind of like what we're talking about today Angela, you know the possibility of different future for a different. Culture I guess within alcoholics anonymous and you know I think it's something that will evolve over time and maybe this event, this covert event is going to push it along. So. Well, thank you for calling I missed your name. What's your name where you from? Oh. It is Joe. Joe. Oh. Joanne. You're actually. About that. Nice to hear from you. I should have recognized your voice. We actually talked before on the phone. Okay. Yeah. To.
"aa" Discussed on AA Beyond Belief
"As It is Friday. I am so glad I was. Telling, people in the chat before the before this started that I have the week off and I'm just like Rousseau ready for it. I've just been crazy busy at work and I really need some downtime. So yeah, it's going to be good. So a lot has changed over the last six months, a meetings have moved from church basements to zoom the general service. Conference met online last April area symbolize, and districts doing the same. And the even the International Convention was virtual. So, geography doesn't seem to matter anymore do borders and you can go to meetings in any city in any country and anywhere in the world. So, is this a new era for alcoholics anonymous and if so do we as a members have an obligation to help usher at end? That's what today's episode is all about. So please join the conversation with Angelina I by calling us at eight, four, four, eight, nine, nine, two, seven, eight or by sharing your comments in the Youtube and facebook. Chat. Should be interesting but please do participate. We definitely would like to hear from you. So you know call in. Chat away and let's just make this a participatory podcast. So where worshiped we begin? Well we can begin with where the idea came about for this I guess. Last weekend we both attended I attended in you helped. Do the tech for a workshop is that what we were calling it or just Webinar Then motion, sobriety Webinar that the free thinkers group in Arizona. Put together it was great a lot of good information and I try to take notes and I'm actually terrible apparently taking notes because Jonathan asked you know. How it went what what I learned, and so I read my notes and they went something like this the first person read what she had to say and that I've heard her speak before at the two thousand fourteen convention for well, it wasn't secular then it was free thinkers agnostics. In Santa Monica. But. That she was talking fast which is funny because I was talking really fast. So I I couldn't concentrate I couldn't hear what she was saying and I wasn't used to the Webinar form, and so I was trying to understand you know if if we were going to be seeing other people or just seeing the person talking and then there her name was blinking the whole time she was talking. So it was it was taking me a little bit of time to acclimate. So I don't know she said. She no she actually talked fast like that when she was speaking in Santa? Monica. Seems to be fired if. Personality. But then I got I believe from John, emotions needs to be regulated not amputated and and that you can't reason feelings they can't be reasoned out of and that I think from. Joe. A statement of. If you want to learn to swim, you can't just read a book you have to get into the water forget. It yeah. and that it was bills hope that emotional sobriety would be the next level in a like a stage to recovery. That's of where you got the idea. Yes. Okay Yeah and then he read from the Velveteen Rabbit. are you real thing about the so course talk In Jonathan's like what are you talking about unlike the velveteen rabbit still course talk in and I'm like I actually didn't read it but we were all very emotional. So it was effective and Yeah. If you're having trouble emotional trouble in recovery, it doesn't mean that that something's wrong and and then lacquer lack of in inner intimacy leads to emotional dependency I. think that was a doctor Allen. Be and then he talked about the digestive system. And nourishment like the Apple used as an example that. You Bite in into the apple, the stomach. Intestines extract from the Apple, actually eight and friend of the audience to as a way to demonstrate that. Does it it no longer is the apple. It becomes us we become the apple and then we eliminate what we don't need and that that's basically emotional support. And Johnson's like Oh okay and like yeah, it was really great. So he was glad I got something out of it but I really did I I mean there is more that I got out of it but I just don't take notes very well, and I was still thinking about it. The next day. On Sunday and Sunday mornings a run a zoom meeting for my sponsor. That's A. More of a traditional women's meeting. And and the topic. The topic was Let's see what was it. It was rarely have we seen a person fail who has thoroughly followed our path in? So it's like as far from what I was thinking about you know within recovery terms almost as possible and and so you know the person shared on that and then another person with long term sobriety shared on the you know this isn't a do it yourself program and and the you know things like that and so. They went around picking people and finally somebody picked me I think. I. Was probably last because they knew I wouldn't be happy. Or. Say something that was You know not easy to digest. which was to You know I said that I that that's simply not true the that there is a. A cre- well documented you know showing that we ate isn't effective for everyone. And we kind of do create our own. That's one of the things that most people say to newcomers if they're struggling with the higher power concept is that you just can create you know your own and so yes, there are some things that we do. That are similar that are helpful. You know like within a we do sobriety you know the majority of us and some programs do not but you know that's what we recommend when you're getting started and and. So yeah. So I talked about that and and you know that it's it just fails a lot of people and that may be part of the reason is that we keep picking subjects to talk about from the big book as if they're you know guide for today rather than consulting current scientific understandings or. At the very least consulting some bill WS later writings. Yeah we WANNA keep the profit thing going then we can at least use. Your. Because a lot of people do they serve By Bill. Yeah and so you know if we if you WANNA keep going that way, you know fine it's your meeting. But at least us, you know some his later writings. State of. Volvo. And and so then you know I mentioned, you know like the letters published through the grapevine which is. Conference approval literature and. And then you know bring those to the meetings that that. Yeah. The letter that he wrote that we were talking about I think the title is the next frontier. Yeah and and what I loved that I hadn't ever picked up on before was where he talks about You. Let's see I found I needed to hurt every ounce of will and action to cut off these faulty emotional dependency is upon people upon a indeed upon any set of circumstances whatsoever, and then later in the thing, we may be able to twelve step ourselves and others into emotional sobriety, and so I thought that was those were cool both the dependent upon a because I. Struggled with that during the pandemic. Yes. I think that we need to connect with each other and I think zoom and social distancing. We can do some of that..
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"Snow word that in the book and I tried to explain to them that it just doesn't add in a lot of areas and one of the examples. I Try Sean Carpet slipper retired at fifty five. Twenty five years surprising. And I'll come to slip right and should just just try to do the math on this one guy. Just do the math on this guy. I mean he's at this age and then we back in the early the late eighteen hundreds. And you know up to this point and and I'm like this this. This is like the parable of Progression. This is not an actual story and they get mad at me but just want to know what what what you're you guys are those Aspects of the alcoholism. And and how they try to point things out but to my mind. It seems as though that that guy was the carpet. Slippers is more of a parable than an actual story. So I if you do the math. It's crazy so anyway What a good stuff. Going on. In the on the PODCAST. I'm really really excited about this. Whole thing's my wife's just found those two seasons you do the history so cool. Well thank you. Thank you so much for calling. Thank you for listening. I love doing these live streams on Friday. This is just so much fun. And it's it's a lot of fun to watch. The audience grow to forty three people. When they're I keep counting. So what do you think about that? Are Those are those parables and the Big Book Or they just want to say quickly you know I am no orange papers guy I'm an sober for almost twenty eight and a half years And I got sober and conventionally a there were no agnostic meetings and I worked around it and I'm a believer. I call a big book mixture of the Weird and wonderful. And that's Kinda what the caller was getting at so you know sober since eighty six some of it. I think there's a lot of Good psychology underneath a religious language and You know Yeah my late. Father will be fifty nine years sober in eleven days. So you know it around long time and yours were some of the you know Here's worse. He helped me a bit with some of the mythology in nineteen ninety one. I asked him. I was at this hard core meeting like something. Like what the callers describing. And he's you know they made it sound like. Oh we just newcomers. In the old days we just smacked him down with the tube. I for the sat him down. Tola you know when you're back to the self esteem thing you know these people see themselves as tellers of the crew. So this Sala g of the old days gets built up so my father got sober and sixty one. His sponsor lived across the street. Got Sober fifty one so I said was Aa different in the old days and he said a line that I will repeat over and over again to the day I die. Said there are preachers now and there were preachers then and he says my sponsor Harry h never raised his voice to me. So you know all the tough talk Yeah some people did that. And they're still doing it. And other people talk to people like you civilized human beings so.
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"Go way up so the other thing that thumpers do by looking down at twelve and twelve hours. Agnostics or meeting makers An old way to get self esteem as you know. I'm a drunk but I'm not as bad as that guy and I go up a few notches by putting somebody down in a we do it in groups and AA has a lot of subgroups of. I'm with the cool subgroup. Whatever it is and I looked down and we're smarter than the other people are doing it better. Whatever like UH sponsors get carried away? That's a common thing I've seen people told me what to eat for breakfast. La Is really way beyond what the thing is intended to wasn't the original sponsorship to like actually get into a meeting so I was. That stuff happened with the baseball player. And you did not look it up on the Internet to find out where the nearest meeting in my house was and You know a lot of people were approached in hospitals so Dr Bob of course was a position. He had access to a couple of hospitals and then once his reputation got resuscitated. Other doctors would say I got a guy over here. That could use what you guys. You're solid one. Marin doctor them and they talked to people that start now is going to a meeting and in the An inert another era what you got interviewed before you went to meetings and you're in the hospital for the five day detox and a member would come and talk to you and if they didn't think you were serious enough. They wouldn't take Angela before we started mentioned. Jim Burwell Jim. Burwell never would have got sober in Ohio it. They would have tossed them. They wouldn't have tolerated him and You Know Jim. Burwell ended up sober thirty six years when he died the most famous atheist agnostic.
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"The facebook group has grown quite a bit. And there's a lot of people who you know. Describe themselves as secular but they they they talk a lot of talk that you might here in traditional AA meeting. And and. I was telling John that you know I was a lot like that. And I'm still finding myself trying to basically trained myself not to speak in a vernacular and try to speak like a normal person. I I said it's Kinda like deprogramming. Have you ever heard of that? And we thought you know that would be a good topic for a podcast deprogramming traditional AA. So I'm GonNa just give the floor to John John. You want to start off in. It was just like every other thing that we do. I'll just try to frame it a little bit in. I I consider an I. This is maybe a little redundant from some of the other pieces we've done. I consider myself very fortunate right from the beginning of my AA career. When it? When when I did have a career. I was very fortunate in that as a lifelong atheist. I didn't buy in to any of the verities or the steps. Or The you know the atmospherics that required you to be a certain way and act a certain way except for the idea that you know if we if we made a decision we went to meetings we shared. We had some kind of idea of what you know. Abstinence was all about an. We helped another alcoholic. Maybe we could just sort of move ourselves long. So he never really bought in to a lot of the things that I've heard other people in the secular fellowship referred to as things that either dominated or influenced their lives for either longer or shorter time. So I'm sort of speaking to this sort of from the outside because none of that stuff ever really resonated with or influence me but I noticed a lot about how this resonates and influences others and you know before we launch into this. I like the maybe populate a couple of questions right is about what we're doing and why we're here. I think one should ask oneself if they if you find yourself on me a beyond belief with or you find yourself reading the articles in agnostic atheist a you know beyond belief for wherever you get your information and then you find yourself going to these online meetings of atheists agnostics in recovery and you find yourself at a secular meeting or maybe even starting a secular meeting in going to our convention and all the other things that you know you and I have both been doing for some time now knee longer than you but as far as the old book. The larger world of secular recovery goes both in sort of doing this since twenty fourteen. I convention and you might want to ask yourself. Why in the Hell am? I hear what brought me here? Did the twelve step spring me here. Well and maybe some ways in my case that they did because I totally rejected them from the outset but did my happiness with the big book. Bring me here. Did My love for everything that was said to me in a meeting. When I came out as an atheist your NAS stick it might by great acceptance of all of that stuff. Bring me here any answer. Obviously is now. I mean we're here for reason. We're here because we are dissatisfied. Sometimes if the beginning of our careers in this very disgruntled and some people come in a little bit angry about what has been said to them what they've heard and what's been imply that they should or could be as human beings in recovered. Yeah they don't like it. I got it up with us here because I was no longer. I no longer felt welcome in a at the group that I had attended for twenty five years. I was constantly being corrected. I had people when I stopped. Reciting the prayer stare me down like I was committing a crime. I felt like I was walking on eggshells. I just didn't feel like I belonged so it was either leave. Ama or find something else. And that's when I learned about you know. These groups started one Kansas City. And that's why I'm there but what's interesting John. Is I brought baggage with me? I brought a lot of what I learned over those past twenty five years with me to the secular.
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"Good way to get you get. Your group plugged into the greater. Aa Community if you want to be in a group if you WANNA be part of alcoholics anonymous registering just trained with GSI is a good idea. Then you might want to get involved you know with the great great with service with an AA. Our group was in the beginning but less so now. But you know we we we are. We are very involved with each other. We have our business meetings on a quarterly basis and we have social gatherings within the group on a on a regular basis Some some of the members have gone out to other groups together and things like that. There was a time when there were few of us that were interested in in going to the district and representing our group as the General Service representative going to the area assembly. Doing things like that Being involved with the Intergroup or group I still help out by answering phones But those are just nice ways to get involved and I guess the benefit of doing that is zip. People are suspicious or You know not so sure about you. You Heathens meeting as a group by bye bye. Interacting with other members it Kinda normalizes the whole secular. A thing. That's kind of what happened. I think here in Kansas City. It's just seems it's so normal. Nobody really cares that. We don't pray at our meetings so getting involved with general services good idea going to state conventions and getting involved with the state conventions inventions and roundups having having functions with other groups. These are all great things that you can do by getting involved with the greater community and now potential problems that you could have. These are less likely and one problem that you might possibly have. But it's very unlikely anymore. Maybe your district or your Intergroup won't list you're meeting because they don't want a secular meeting kind of what they do in Denver Colorado right now if that happens. It's really not a big deal. What I would recommend that you do anyway? Is that you build your own website for your group and you add some key words in that website atheist. ps a free thinker agnostic. Aa could just be a one page sites tells the world. What time you.
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"Twelve step work. it exists outside of the meetings And in a group would have perhaps multiple meetings within within the group There's more responsibility. I think that comes with being a group When you start a group you WANNA make sure that? It's the group that that operates itself that governs itself So you WanNa be kind of really think this through. I guess if you have a meeting and I've seen some people just start off a meeting and then become a group and the advantage of that you can be a meeting and you don't have to have group conscience to decide how the meetings run. You can run the meeting however you want. And I know that Bob Que did this with the with The whitby group would be thinkers group. He started off as a meeting because he didn't want it a conscience to turn it into a religious meeting. I guess so he he just he had it going the way that he wanted it. And the other CO founder and then later on it became a group so does some some some things to think about there's advantages to being the in group and there's advantages to be in a meeting. I'm we chose to be a group and From the very beginning we started having business meetings so the group could run. Its own way of having meetings so you know so now you decided that you wanna you WanNa have a meeting because because you're not comfortable in a you know that there's people out there that are like you And you decide that you're going to have a group so now you need to decide aside if you're going to have open meetings or closed meetings and This is really interesting. I find Because what what I have learned is I don't think anybody outside of a understands that terminology and one of the problems with having your meeting listed as closed as the people who aren't familiar with that they see closed and they think you're not open for business. They they can't go they think it's closed and it's very confusing. It's not really welcoming is not a welcoming word if you want someone to come to your your place putting the closed sign on. There isn't really a good way to get them interested instead so it causes people to question. Can I really go to that meeting. It says it's closed. They just don't get it but a good reason for are having a closed meeting. I suppose if you're concerned and this is why we started our meetings as as closed. I was concerned that I didn't want it to become something other other than an AA group. I didn't want it to become a club for atheist. I wanted to make sure that it was there for people with a desire to stop drinking and I see. I had an experience with a group in Kansas City. Kansas that opened its meetings up to the neighborhood and what happened is it became a community center more than an AA meeting. There were just people. They're all sorts. Who didn't really have drinking problems or have any desire to stop drinking but they were open meetings and anyway? That group ended up folding and I just remember go to these. His meetings and I thought they were crazy. So I had that memory in my brain and I thought I don't want that to happen to my groups. I wanted these meetings to be closed ultimately what I have found found for my for myself is. It's not that big of a deal whether the meeting is open or closed and here's why Nobody very few people are going to go to an AA meeting. Who Don't have a reason to go? I mean people just don't go to AA meetings because they're curious that's our or it's fun I just don't I don't see that as a problem so you know the people that go to a meeting either. Think they might have a drinking problem or they they have a drinking problem and they they want to check it out you know. That's basically why they're going but you'll also have people who will go to a meeting just is to support a loved one And that's a good reason for your meeting to be open. The happens more and more. I see someone might bring their wife to their first meeting so when might bring a good friend. I'm a parent I've even had parents call to say they'd like to check the meeting out before they recommend it to their son or daughter. So there's a good reason to have open meetings to what we've done in in at are group's in Kansas City. We have some open some closed meetings but the clothes meetings. If anybody were to show up we're very welcoming. You Never WanNa be in this position where you start quizzing people as to whether or not they should be there Especially especially if you're gonNA use the language like do you have a desire to stop drinking That's people don't talk that way and they probably don't have a desire to stop drinking. They just it's no they need to eat out so just you know. I don't think it's a big deal so I'm at the point where I think an open meeting is probably a good way to go but if you have concerns turns that you're meeting is going to be overrun with people who aren't alcoholics. And may be closed as the way to go in and also when you talk about that The whole there's a problem right now I think in. Aa where there's a there are. People that are fanatical about our primary purpose or singleness of purpose and they think that drug addicts can't go to meetings but that's not true you can have other problems besides alcohol and be a member of AA. You don't even have to have a problem tackle. All you have to have to have is a desire to stop drinking. That's all it takes and if you have a problem with drugs and you know that not drinking is an important part of your recovery every from your drug addiction then you have a right to be a member because you have a desire stop drinking so anyway but what. I found long short and I've talked about this a little bit too long. It's very rare to find somebody in a meeting doesn't belong instead of that. You want to figure out what to call your group and and we decided to call ours. We agnostics because we wanted to have agnostic in the name so that people knew it was an agnostic meeting. We were afraid that we wouldn't be welcomed and in our community that turned out to be not true We just wanted people to be able to find us. And that's actually why a lot of these groups call themselves. We agnostics eggs were atheists agnostics and free thinkers free thinkers or. Whatever they have that name they have that in their group name as sort of a Co.? Just let people know that this is a different type of a meeting a secular meeting. You'RE NOT GONNA be praying here so a lot of people put that in their name. I think it's becoming less important now because I think that these meetings are becoming more accepted in the greater. Aa Community most intergroups and in places that list AA meetings will have the designation secular to let people know that. That's a meeting that you can go to and not expect to be praying and so forth so so you know. It's not probably as important what you can call your group now. I see a lot of new groups coming up with names. That don't have atheist or agnostic or free thinker in the title. So I think that another important thing about starting a group is that you have someone to help you. I I had just one person me and GM and it was really important. Because I knew that eventually there's going to be something someday when I wouldn't be able to go to the meeting and you you always Wanna be able to have someone there to make sure that the door is open for the person who shows up so jim and I did that. You know if there was ever a situation situation where I couldn't be there I knew Jim would be there. And if there's ever a case that you know Jim couldn't be there. I knew he knew that I would be there. We were real fortunate that shortly after we started we had a core group of four or five of us. That would make sure that that that that meeting would be there for anyone who would show up and really early in no time at all. Jim and I got to where we didn't really have to go to meetings if we didn't want to but it's good to have one or two or three or four people help you start start the meeting but if you can't find more than just one person I think one person is enough. Just make sure that the two of you can commit to being there to to to be there for people people. If you don't know of anybody to start a meeting with there's a couple of ways you can find them if you speak openly at meetings and and sometimes it's GonNa be hard to do but if you can come out openly as an atheist or agnostic or whatever you want to find yourself as a non believer secular person if you come out openly in your meetings you might might find someone else do the same and maybe the two of you could get together and started started meeting or three or four of you You can also check out on social so media. There are a lot of secular a group. secret facebook groups for example we have one for a beyond belief. You got the Secular a coffee shop. You Got Atheists agnostics. Aa You've got. Oh Gosh Dale's group A secular sobriety. You got all kinds of different Private facebook groups that you can join and meet people from all over the world you might meet someone in your own community. That could start a meeting with you. You can also write right the secular. Aa website they used to have a a service that would hook people up with with each other. But if you contact the secular. Aa Website The the bathroom or whoever secular age org they might also be able to help you said that there are just some ideas of how to find people but you definitely need somebody more than just yourself then finding a meeting space. This is interesting because you know most of our meetings smeaton churches and some people think that. That's that's weird I I don't find it so A lot of our meetings meet and UNITARIAN universalist churches. That's where our group meets and we're very welcomed. Their the rent is reasonable for us. We pay twenty dollars a meeting And by the way I think it's important that you pay rent if someone offers it for free At least tell them that you would like to make donations on a regular basis this from whatever you're able to to Have donated from the basket. But it's important to be self-supporting just I th I think so you WanNa have a space that you can afford. The churches are very audible. The free thinkers group in Kansas City. They meet an Episcopal Church and that church is very welcoming to them so but another another one of our meetings meets at a hospital. Hospitals are also good they They have room so they can rent. Sometimes they're a little bit pricey and it's a big hospital sometimes the bureaucracy. Accuracy is kind of crazy to get someone actually talk to you about renting the space. The meeting that we have at the medical center is kind of funny. We were actually squatters for the longest time because we could never get anybody from the hospital to actually tell us that we could actually meet their but eventually we did get that out on. So it's Kinda interesting there are groups that meet and Alana uh-huh clubs and if you just have a meeting and a Lotta Club could be a good answer The group in Saint Louis Missouri. They meet in a beautiful. Alan Club. If you're ever in Saint Louis you should check out the The secular meeting their Louis. agnostics group in Saint Louis. It's a really cool place Office buildings A lot of groups and candidate used to meet in the office buildings and storefronts. But that's less common now and I think that's because real estate is is a little bit more valuable now than it used to be. And it's not so easy to afford those kinds of spaces but that's just give you an idea where you can meet but a lot of us do meet in churches in the UNITARIAN. Universalist churches are good options If you know of any other ideas you know call in and talk about that.
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"Just became something that was overwhelming. It was like we're in a church situation here we are. We were really have. Turn the soup overwhelming my wife and I I have a dream and that leads to two years of bad Just brunches not so good I mean a great time but it just not even lose my job Shaw or anything I didn't I was I. Don't insane man there. Were there. Were happening stress. That'd be all imagination and so arnold got in my neck the back they got a new sponsor and he So that made it. I haven't I had a hard time with their prayer where the works career and and it was a great meeting. I mean ah I like rain out of meetings in abor because of the fact back that I do feel and that's why they started and that's why people are starting these these meetings as just like you. You know there was a time when if you were gay and you went to an AA meeting. You were not made to feel welcome or comfortable and that time. That wasn't that long ago and so they started. They started groups special interest groups for the LGBTQ community. You know and and I was just talking about that. They they were special special interest groups and that's an agnostics and atheists actually have been doing that as well since one thousand nine hundred seventy five. So yeah hopefully. Hopefully you and time will meet somebody and one of these meetings who you how might want to step out with you and go start your own secular meeting. It's not that difficult to do. And after you get some time under under your belt you might want to consider doing that if you meet someone that's like-minded. I actually this kind of strange. But I worked to my birthday hosted meeting or two months ago there I went I wrote a letter out my group because I I mean I do say over you and I couldn't say what to say for so long. I wrote him a letter and I read that letter. I admitted that I was in that letter and I said you can do. What my sponsor dies is saying Hey brought you may not believe in God. I believe when I don't look like it but I.
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"Well I already started that wrong. I'm not able to stream on facebook for whatever reason but we're here on Youtube to this is a beyond belief a podcast by four in about people who have found a secular path to sobriety in alcoholics likes anonymous and happy New Year and welcome to the first live calling episode for a beyond belief. We're streaming gene simultaneously on well. I thought facebook facebook but not but we are streaming on Youtube and now we're only going to stream the audio portion seven so you aren't GonNa see me but what you will see is the logo of the podcast. The Guy with the headphones and you will see a phone number. That number is eight. Four eight nine nine eight two seven eight and the purpose of that phone number is so that you can call us and participate in this episode. So what will happen if all goes well is I am going to speak for about maybe twenty or thirty minutes on a couple of topics that I've been on my mind lately and then we will open up the phones the topics that I was considering discussing where anonymity and AA is is this a tradition is tradition still necessary and the secular a movement. Is it a movement and if so where is it going line so when you do call in a please feel free to talk about whatever's on your mind you don't need to stick with the topics that I'm participating on tonight. You can ask questions you can make any other sort of comment just say hello. Whatever you WanNa do I just love to hear from you but before we get into that? I figured that since since it is New Year's Day it might be nice to look back at two thousand nineteen and and see how the podcast went that year. It was an interesting year as far as the PODCAST. Hot cast goes I In the beginning of the year I kind of was in the doldrums. I wasn't posting a lot of episodes during the first part of the year. I think I posted once in April all. I didn't post anything in May maybe one episode in June There was just luck going on I I I think I need to break but in July kind kind of reassess what I was doing and I made a commitment to begin posting episodes once a week. And we've been doing that thus far in fact we're now posting twice a week because what we're doing on Sunday we're going to be posting the typical podcast episodes that The typical typical episodes were. It's an interview type Style episode and then on Wednesdays we will be posting the speakers secular speakers so so we have a large amount of audio on a beyond belief audio page of people who've given talks that opening a meetings and conferences conferences. And they're all people who are in a WHO approach the program from a secular perspective. Got Somebody in the queue to call in right now but I'm not quite ready to take collars haulers. You're you'RE GONNA have to hold on there if you don't mind but I'll get to you your your area code five eight zero so anyway I just want to tell you that It's been a great year. A couple of good things happen in two thousand nineteen number one. I reconnected with Ben. He came back and we did some episodes talking about some movies. And if you haven't actually listened to the episode of one man loves a woman I would recommend. That was a lot of fun. And I'm kind of proud of that episode so it's been good to have him back and other thing that we did is brought Angela be on board and she has been my co host as we go through the twelve steps again and that added has also been interesting and actually very good for me Angela has an interesting perspective. She started off in the program in a actually she came from another fellowship. She started going to AA meetings. And almost from the beginning. I believe she helped start a secular a group and she started working the steps from a secular perspective by using alternative twelve steps book but she also at the same time was going to other meetings because she had to go to other meetings and she's going to traditional meetings and she became familiar with you know a traditional approach to a as well so she can tailor her approach to wherever you're coming from and and anyway she takes a very deliberate approach towards the steps at very serious approach to the steps and it was really good for me to listen to what she he had to say. So if you haven't listened to any of those episodes I'd recommend those as well I will tell you that I do love podcasting i. I have a lot of fun doing this. I've learned a great deal from you. And all the other guests who have come on the podcast and I I sometimes forget though that That this is very meaningful to a lot of people out there and every once in a while you remind me when you send me an email and you tell me how how much the podcast has meant to you Because you might not have a meeting that has secularly formatted in your area so Listening to speakers and our guests on the podcast is your opportunity to hear your story told by other people through your in your own words so I'm looking forward to two thousand twenty In twenty twenty a beyond belief will be five years old in September. We'll have our fifth anniversary and if we continue on our current posting schedule we'll probably reach two hundred episodes by the end of the year. So that's kind of a goal anyway so enough of that then you might notice that. I'm introducing the podcast a little bit differently now. what I'm doing is I'm letting people know right off the the bat. What does podcast is? It's a podcast for by and about people who have found a secular path to sobriety alcoholics anonymous. And the reason I do dad I just want to be upfront straight right away to let people know in very simple terms what that says You know we're not this isn't an AA group. We're not affiliated with anybody what we are are members of alcoholics anonymous. Most of us who have found a way to do this program and a secular secular way and we have come together in an online community to share our experience with one another and this podcast is a medium of doing that. And that's all that that's all that we're doing now when I am hosting this podcast I maintain my anonymity. And I'm sorry I I can't pronounce that word for some reason but I don't use my last name. I just use my first name. And last John S and most of the guests who come on here who who speak about they're they're experiencing a also only used their last initial out of respect for the tradition of and anonymity. So Oh that's I. That's kind of a way to kind of get into the first topic I think of you know anonymity and why we use it I I. I mainly use it out of habit out of respect for alcoholics anonymous That's why I maintain anonymity at the level press radio film and on the Internet. But I have to tell you I have been questioning the practice. Recently I understand that confidentiality is important and it's really important that a newcomer feels that when he or she goes to an AA meeting that whatever they say they're stays there That's that's really important and I but that confidentiality isn't really the same thing as anonymity and I sometimes wonder can't you have confidentiality without anonymity. I mean it seems like other programs that support people do that I you know I think about refuge. Recovery spoke to my friend. Dave Owens about that. They don't have to be anonymous and refuge recovery and yet they still respect the confidentiality of their members. So what is it about a that makes us want to be anonymous so I went and read the twelve traditions and twelve steps on the twelfth traditions. And as you know there are two traditions that mention anonymity and that would be traditions. Eleven in twelve and traditional Levin says our public relations policy is based on attraction rather than promotion we need always maintain personal anonymity at the level level of press radio and films now as you read through the essay on traditional eleven. You'll notice that they say that publicity is okay. That's good Ed. It's okay that is in the movies on television. It's in the radio it's in the public eye that's great but what is bad is the promotion and I'M GONNA I'm GonNa read you a quote from the twelve and twelve. It says in there that quote nearly every one of us are irrepressible. astle promoters and quote. It's frightening to have a society full of promoters. So you know I I have to question that is that really true is nearly every single one of us and irie pressel promoter. I don't think so. I don't think they're very many of us. WanNa go around promoting a I think most of us you know Kinda. Keep it on the download. Our membership in alcoholics anonymous. I mean is just like you know. It's not something that is relevant for me to talk about am I you know in my day to day life or whatever it's just it's not something that I wanna do. I don't have that that EGO TO WANNA be the spokesperson for alcoholics anonymous. And I haven't really met many people in a WHO do so. I'm not really buying that that. We are irrepressible promoters promoters and that it's really frightening that that our whole organization is full of people like that another thing that tradition eleven says in the essay that I found really interesting. Pain is it talks about how organizations seen to attract people or rather promote their organizations by Through the prestige of the people who are in the organization and again I. I wonder if that's even true. You know and it says. Aa can't shouldn't do that but our people really the attracted to an organization because of personality and in particular the prestige of a particular person. I don't think so again so so you know. I'm just kind of questioning these things. And then then I you know you look at tradition twelve and it talks about how it is spiritual foundation of all of our traditions sends reminding us to place principles before personalities. Now this tradition. What was started because it was? It was important. Horton for people that that they that they have some confidentiality in alcoholics anonymous. That what they say there is sacred and remains in the room. Apparently according to the essay that bill w wrote in the early days there were stories being spread around that people would hear in a meeting and that was putting into jeopardy. Yeah pretty you know the whole idea of alcoholics anonymous. That you could come in and it's really funny. I just realized I forgot to hit the record button first time I did that on a podcast. But that's okay. Youtube is recording it so cool anyway. So that's the deal they are now. It's really interesting that this whole thing about anonymity. Another reason that.
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"Area he'll tell us about the upcoming conference. It's all right. I'm here with Gary s from somewhere in Arizona. Where are you from Gary in Arizona Sun City West on Sensiti West? Okay Okay and you're here to give information about the upcoming secular. Aa Conference in Arizona. Would you give us a little a little bit of information. Mation about a first of all. Where is it and win as well? It's at nine thirty in the morning. Starting on November nine at the Twenty Fourth Street Conference Center in Phoenix Arizona. Is this the third conference that you've had yes. It is their biennial. So we alternate her name with the internationals. Okay would you like to give us a little history behind the conferences. I guess that you've been to all of them. I have indeed. Yes I I we had just moved to Arizona from the San Diego area just just prior to the twenty fifteen conference and so I was able to attend that one and actually it was one of our meeting conferences when we first arrived my wife tonight. Virtually all of the secular meetings were on the east side so when we live on the far west side so the first thing we did was initiated. A couple the meetings here on the west side and in that plugged into the community which is growing thankfully the twenty fifteen conference had four different panels and there was a speaker on on starting a waft meeting twenty seventeen we we did it again and our topic material was updating. We have a tendency to update for the upcoming internationals nationals. Because as I said we enter alternate with those and then we seventeen. We talked about the secular steps in how people work the steps in a secular environment. However Har- people sponsored and what is the role of connection in the recovery community in our guest speaker? That one was Joe Joseph Toronto our now. We're getting ready for this year's so we've kind of picked up a format format that we're using and that's that's kind of what we're doing. We have someone from the international or the upcoming international national and and a author from the secular community well with pat along with panels which in turn allow us to you know. They're kind of falling in place. It takes a little time to get a conference system setup but I think we're finally dialing Yeah you guys have done a really good job you know I imagine it is it is. It does take a lot of work to put one of these together and am glad to see that there are more of of these regional conferences happening. I mean the ones that I know of now are wanting the gateway conference that takes place in Washington state the Arizona's regional conference conference. And now the the Ontario Conference. We've got three. That I know of that are regional conferences. And it would it would be nice to see others. Come on I like the the regional conferences. Because they're more intimate and usually the locations are such that it's easier to you know interact with people and it's not like you're in in like one place all the time you're having a unique then you this time year. It looks really nice. I was looking at it online. You're using conference center in Phoenix next. Is that right correct. And in the past we've been using a public libraries which which are nice except there's there's a lot of peripheral horrific Noise and activity going on so this season I had the opportunity. We started a little earlier so I was able to actually walk fine. What is this Conference Center and charing the committee this year and it's have some experience in doing things like that original service structure of am? Ah so that's allowed me to kind of insert the fortunate things about that formatting that kind of formatting we've been able to bring online into into this so it seems to be working quite well. This House's center is relatively small. It's a big auditorium or anything like that. I I believe that room maxes out at about one. Hundred forty is but it's got kitchen facilities and things that not everything has had in the past. So that's that's helping. We know so. We just did something. Kansas City not too long ago we had JOE AC- come down for an anniversary celebration and we used a facility that Holds about a hundred people. Maybe and that was that worked out really well for us because we had we had less than one hundred people so there was plenty of room for for everybody every body so I you know you don't really need a huge place depending upon the size of the crab. What kind of crowd are you expecting this year? We've we've been getting just shy of a hundred in the past and so this year we've been shooting for one hundred twenty or so and you know that's always contingent registrations. Who hears about this? I think getting the word out is is one of the great challenges. Having come from the San Diego Area I was was able to plug into some of that community so I hope to see some of those folks and and our community here. Phoenix is growing but like most things things in the community. It's everything in a has a glacial pace things growth growth in a anything anything new in a in which there seems to be a tendency to resist new things so it takes time you know. It's pretty amazing Kerry. I'm just looking at the website of the the secular. Aa Groups in Arizona. And there's a lot of them a lot we like. Sap soon as soon as we hit town we started voted to on the west side. The free thinker meetings but they're very small and persevere and it's Sometimes during in summer particularly they're very small because the Phoenix area population changes dramatically in the season. Where I live this small community that I live has probably sixteen thousand people during the summer and more like thirty five thousand during the winter? We'll get that on off thing because a lot of a lot of Canadians. North people in snow country and has been there winter's here so so all of a sudden our our population goes and but during during the during the summer you know. There's we have a few meetings in Phoenix area that are actually quite large consistently and so it's it is indeed growing but like Azad during this for a few decades now and I've if watched other committees and sectors of the fellowship and whenever something new you know if you're if you're established after ten or fifteen fifteen years you make a good time so so it's a it's a real patients game but I do believe that the secular community dirtiest growing we are a microcosm of the macrocosm in terms of population. So if you look at the. US population what happens in the fellowship. visit reflection of that. That's right. We are reflection of the greater society. Aren't we absolutely if you look at this statistic as moving forward were there more and more secular people within the US just in general and consequently we will inevitably grow in the row so then it becomes a matter of finding each other and we are pretty well accepted now Within the greater community I think for the most part I know we certainly are Surrey. And I I bet you are in zone two but it's no big deal to have a AA meeting without the prayer in increasingly. It's it is indeed getting better. There's there are people who can't handle. The lack of formatting sometimes are the formatting that they are not accustomed to but but I know our intergroups for instance are supported when we want literature. Or we you know a day. They helped us with our insurance for the confidence and everything One of Arina groups and more and more we are accepted and you know when we had our even in Kansas City. It just happened like a few weeks ago. there were some people from just regular traditional. Aa Groups to that showed up. So it'd be Kinda Nice if you could draw some people from other groups to within the within the Phoenix area. That aren't necessarily thoroughly. Secular noticed. Actually one of our topics this year is dogma and ritual in secular a and another others tolerance within secular. Because we have they're all ages in general has has the tendency towards zealotry. Sometimes I was kinda around when when secular age just started in a and chew often we we we had people who were willing to bash the traditional community and and so that frightened people away. I think there's less and less you. You don't think a lot of people who were secular came in with perhaps bad attitude about the non secular communities. Ma Shaw took got the opportunity. They the shot. Yeah my theory behind that. Is You know they always say that. A new. Aa meeting is started from resentment. Started with a resentment at a coffee pot. And I and I think a lot of our secular meetings started out of resentment for a bad experience that someone had with another Aa meeting so they learned about a secular meeting and I and they started it and then the people that would come to it were people that were already already had an experience with Aa but maybe a negative one because they were atheists and they didn't feel welcomed they're at their home groups the former home groups so I think that in the beginning of these groups starting there was a lot of talk about what a was like for these people we we experienced that in Kansas City when we start our meeting way after about a year of meeting we had people from other. Aa Groups started coming to our meeting and they had to vent about their experience of of with these other groups But then what happened with us and I think this might be happening in other areas too is the people that had had that experience or pretty much done venting and the newer people that are coming in. We're finding people coming into our meetings that have never gone to a previously. They don't have an. They don't have a negative experience with a with a traditional group to complain about the only way they know is a secular a meeting they. I do believe that's very that's increasingly true. And because we get new people who are. I've never come to a because I heard about all all I heard was the God thing and all I could see was the God thing in. It's just not who I am. So they they see the word for instance free thinker or Nostitz Austin can and so they we are indeed their very first experience and so they don't have to go through that curve serve sober ninety and had people who would take their index finger pointed in my face and say get caught her die. I and my sponsor who was a guy and was very very tolerant. Mike belief system. I never once tried to prostate allies with me. He just Sake Zayd Gary. Some of us are sicker than others. And Debbie. Kinda shrug it off. Don't worry about these people any of room for you but I was very very very fortunate in that experience because had I gotten zealot Proselytizing Zealot I may. Well have just left. Let's go through. Let's go through the the The venue the new but rather Arnold the program what you've got going on. So the keynote speaker is Geoffrey Munn. Who's the author of staying sober without? God Yes Jeff. Jeffrey will be our keynote speaker. And then he'll he'll be speaking about his experience Orient as well as He's had the opportunity to interact with the community as well and we'll also great go from a Mile Washington. DC will be kind and talking to us about the upcoming next year's conference in DC and then in terms of the way we do as people check in in register and so we have a series of speakers and or panels. Finals kind of stagger. Those and we'll have panel discussions. This year's panels are dogma and ritual and secular A. Hey tell me about that do you know much about what that entails. Yes actually I. I believe what's going on there is that there's we're we're I think we're trying to resist become a dogmatic as some of the other meetings are traditional meetings. have become over the years where you have this reading this set patter and and so. I think we're trying to keep the doors open to new ideas because of the resistance to to dot and and sometimes it's it's like I'm. I'm grateful that I believe that. Nearly every meeting. The Phoenix area has has a different formatting on some level somewhere and with meeting journ which is what we do on the west side with the free thinker meetings. WE THANKS FOR COMING MEETING NEW JERSEY NEXT DOOR. Now turn your phone back on. And there are others others said that choose to end with the responsibility statement and and and the the the circling up process so many of us came into the fellowship and Si- nationally and not everybody's comfortable with that not everybody wants to hold hands. You know it's about about being open to that. My wife Rosa..
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