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"The Very Hungry Caterpillar" Author Eric Carle Has Died at 91
"The very hungry Caterpillar died on Sunday at 91. The 1969 book has sold some 40 million copies translated into 60 languages, spawn stuffed animal caterpillars and has been turned into a stage play. I'm Tim McGuire AP News I'm to McGuire
Eric Carle, Author of the Very Hungry Caterpillar, Dies at 91
"Emily Fang NPR NEWS Beijing The beloved Children's author and illustrator Eric Carl, has died at the age of 91, according to a family statement. One of his most loved works is the very hungry Caterpillar. The Vividly illustrated book was published in 1969. Eric Carle also
‘The Very Hungry Caterpillar’ author Eric Carle dies at 91
"And I recall the author of the bestselling Children's book, The Very Hungry Caterpillar has died at the age of 91.
"The Very Hungry Caterpillar" Author Eric Carle Has Died at 91
"Eric Carle, the Children's author and illustrator, whose classic The very hungry Caterpillar died on Sunday at 91. The 1969 book has sold some 40 million copies translated into 60 languages, spawn stuffed animal caterpillars and has been turned into a stage
Eric Carle, author of The Very Hungry Caterpillar and more beloved children's books, dies at 91
"Illness. Beloved Children's author and illustrator Eric Carle, who's 1969 classic. The very Hungry Caterpillar and other books became part of childhood for generations, has died at a studio in Massachusetts.
COVID-19: Sniffer Dogs Could Bolster Screening at Airports
"Sniffing dogs could be used to detect the coronavirus at airports, potentially cutting long waits A testing lines and helping to boost efforts to contain transmission of the virus Study says that two dogs could accurately Scan 300 passengers in about half an hour on Lee, the people selected by the dogs would need to undergo a covert test scientist said The strategy of dog selection, followed by a PCR test would detect 91% of coronavirus cases. The U. S. Is preparing to
Nets finally get Big 3 back together, beat Bulls 105-91
"Kevin Durant Kyrie Irving James harden played together for just the eighth time this season but it was Jeff green and Bruce brown doing the heavy lifting is the nets down the bulls won all five ninety one green nailed five three pointers while scoring nineteen points brown had sixteen points and twelve rebounds for Brooklyn which entered the day with a one game lead over the box for the second seed in the east Irving finished with twenty two points for the nets who are six into with their big three in the same game Durant shot four for seventeen and finished with twelve points nine rebounds and six assists harden had seven assists five points and five boards I'm Dave Ferrie
Howard, Jokic Lead Nuggets Past Pistons 104-91
"Markus Howard scored a career high twenty points in a coli okay each had a triple double in the nuggets one oh four ninety one decision over the pistons you okay check twenty points fifteen rebounds and eleven assists for Denver which is three now on its regular season ending four game road trip your kids finished off the triple double early in the third quarter and he and Howard both finished the period with twenty points as the nuggets pulled out to an eighty seven seventy four lead that allowed coach Michael Malone to rest his starters for most of the second half the pistons lost for the eleventh time in thirteen games I'm Dave Ferrie
Holocaust Survivor Who Testified Against Eichmann Dies at 91
"Holocaust survivor who testified at Nazi commander at off Eifman's trial has died. Joseph Solman claimant Holocaust survivor who testified against Adolf Eichmann at the Nazi commanders trial, died Tuesday. According to Israeli media. He was 91 Kleinman was one of fewer than 180,000 Holocaust survivors remaining in Israel. Born in Slovakia in January, 1930 Kleinman and his family were deported by Nazi Germany to the camp in Auschwitz Birkenau in 1944, his father, mother and sister. Were killed it outfits. After the war, Kleinman emigrated to Israel. Eichmann, one of the architects of the Holocaust, was captured by Israeli Mossad agents in Argentina. In 1960 put on trial in Jerusalem in 1961 Eichmann was found guilty of crimes against humanity, crimes against the Jewish people and war crimes and executed the following year.
Holocaust Survivor Who Testified Against Eichmann Dies at 91
"Hi Mike Rossi are reporting a Holocaust survivor who testified at **** commander in elf Eichmann's trial has died Joseph Zalman Kleinman Holocaust survivor who testified against Adolf Eichmann at the **** commanders trial died Tuesday according to Israeli media he was ninety one Kleinman was one of fewer than one hundred eighty thousand Holocaust survivors remaining in Israel born in Slovakia in January nineteen thirty Cliven and his family were deported by **** Germany to the camp at Auschwitz Birkenau in nineteen forty four his father mother and sister were killed at Auschwitz after the war Kleinman emigrated to Israel I commend one of the architects of the Holocaust was captured by Israeli Mossad agents in Argentina in nineteen sixty put on trial in Jerusalem in nineteen sixty one Aikman was found guilty of crimes against humanity crimes against the Jewish people and war crimes and executed the following year hi Mike Rossio
"91" Discussed on Cutting The Distance with Remi Warren
"Takes place in western montana and it was actually one that was filmed for the meat eater. Tv show quite a few years ago. I think are most people to listen to. The podcast are pretty familiar with that show. Especially because this podcast is in the mediator network so you maybe you've seen that having you could always go watch it but i think the more funds story isn't necessarily the hunt story but kind of the the behind the scenes part that people really don't get to see on this particular hunt stephen. I both had elk tags. I'd been guiding the whole season packed out. Many bols seen many bulls get shot and now is pretty much the last week of the season we had some kind of actually hoping for is one of those years where you really want really bad weather and it was it starting to get bad but then kind of cleared up. Kind of hoping for more migration. I wanted to hunt some areas. That i'd hundred in the past route. Got into some good bulls and so the first day was kind of leading into that bad weather but we ended up going into the spot that i like to hunt and sure enough spotted a couple. A group ables off in the distance. All right. let's make a move. We get down in there. Were watching you know. We watch them disappear behind this region. I know okay. I've actually shot like in this. Dang near same spot a year earlier. Like almost i mean i would say within two or three hundred yards of where these awkward so. It's like all right cool. I was looking for a particular bowl but he wasn't there that day. I wasn't going to be picky for those of you. That know he's like when it comes to the last week of the season. I just wanna fill my freezer with some elk. So if it's got or six points on its head or less as the week goes on my as my friend. Mike likes to say. Increase your success by lowering your standards. As the season progresses. I start with really wide expectations in his against down to that last day just starts to narrow into whatever is available but i i kinda liked to say at least six points on one side is kind of like a personal goal of mine Really as it gets down to that last week pretty much. Anything legal tries to get a ride out in the backpack. So we see these bowls. Stephen i go down in there. There's like two ridge in between and they disappeared behind one. We're hoping they pop out within range. So we get set up. Noel noel noel okay. Are they coming out. So i actually walked back to where i could see above. See if they're still there go back. Look they're still there and then they disappeared so now hustled back to where they're all set up. I'm like okay. They're still here. Should pop over. Were set up the elk. Pop out we're going to try to get a double. But steve's like you shoot for so. I lineup shoot my bowl. It goes down the other bowl. Steve this in a really good position you may had a shop than had to move up for. Arrest spook the other elk especially with the gun shot and everything going on. Got a little chaotic and he wasn't able to get a shot on that bowl so it's like whatever we got one bowl down burden hand. Go down to the elk and is pretty steep hillside. He took a pretty good tumble. And actually. I'm looking at the bull right here. I've yet to put his antlers back together like fell. I've never seen this happen and broke one antler off at the pentacle like right up against the base. Luckily the antler is just laying there. And i probably through the breaking process. It slowed them down enough. You must have been on a pretty good tumble to not go all the way to the bottom. Which he's about halfway to the bottom at this point so sweet. Get some cord time up to a tree. Start processing him. I figured oh yeah. I'll be able to put these back together when i get home. No big deal just skullcap it and it's been a project one of those projects that i still haven't got to yet but looking at it right now thinking yeah she probably get to that this year anyways so we pack it up and on this trip i was actually. They had a new pack. Okay you wanna try this pack as a pack that i wanted to try so sweet. Yeah loved to try new pack. I've pretty much tried every pack ever whether it's on some kind of hunt door even if it's not one that i had i like to just like oh it'd be guiding kayla mature your pack this week just just to see you know what's out there not like so got this new pack and just not real familiar with it been using other paxton. I'm real familiar with packed out. Plenty elk actually the year before from this very spot. I packed out an entire bowl. Same size this bill by myself in one trip. Well i got it. One ship from the semi downhill or slightly uphill. Parts ended up only being able to fit. I what i did was front shoulders. All the loose meat head matters all that in the pack. And then i actually drug each quarter hair on With the hair side down so he just drug it with para one in each arm because there was snow so i could like drag it uphill. It was beast of a pack out. But i just did not storm moving in did not feel like hiking all the way back to this spot from my camp so i just thought pack it all out in one trip so the year before. I'd pretty much carried out of there. I had carried out of there myself. So i thought speakeasy like we've got a bunch of guys splitting up the way perfect so i loaded up the pack. Everybody starting to hike up the hill. And i am just slake dragging. Its like kicking my butt. And i'm like this is terrible. Everything's just like slopping around. I had a serious case of what i call. Fps floppy pack syndrome. I'm watching everybody else. Just like hike up. And i'm like this is less weight than i normally take and i am. It is just. I feel like i'm falling over while i was flying over everything slopping around but it's like one of those things reload up your pack and you go yeah i just don't wanna take time to figure this thing out. They kind of showed me out of work. You do this do this okay. Cool and i've got it and the antlers are like on the back everything's the wait is like as far back as possible. Every time i walk. It's just constantly shifting whatever weights in there like. This is the worst. So i get about a halfway up to the top and i decide. I can't do this. I sit down. Like i'm gonna take fifteen minutes here and figure this dang thing out so i adjust the pack. Put it back on. Start walking night and day difference. Like i can't even describe that this should not be this hard. I've walked out of here. And i'm thinking when you put stuff in your pack and you know i just haven't really you know i've always had my packs like figuring 'cause i've pretty familiar with them. And then you put on a pack in eight dawned on me. How much just adjusting that pack made a difference and i just like trotted up the hill. No problem didn't feel like it was like had taken one hundred pounds out of my pack in just left it on the hill. But everything still there. Everything was in the fact. It was just adjusted right and felt completely different and later on that stone glacier pack became one my favorite packs i was cursing at the first twenty minutes with it and then once i realized okay how to use it got rid of the flop packed it right use it. How is supposed to be used. It actually became the pack that i still use to this day. I really think the moral to the pack story is even the best packs used wrong. Feel wrong like packs can.
Interview With Danica of WatchDanicaWork
"Can you please tell us your name where you're from your current location and the name of your business absolutely so. My name is denise nelson. I m from toronto ontario canada currently here as well my social at is at the nika s nelson on all the things and i am currently employed as a senior product marketing manager in the tech slash e commerce space and. I'm also part time educator at college here so you're staying true to your jamaican rates because that's not even all that you do. That was just a nice neat. Put a on it intro. Right wise Course dabble in a little speaking here in their. And yes but my background is jamaican. And i'm going to try to keep it humble for today. I don't know where that does a stereotype. But like is that a real thing. Because i from the time that i spent their people have one job. They wouldn't question. I don't know i resent is that a jamaican outside of jamaica stereotype. It's a good question. I don't know i like to keep it humble but i know that jamaicans are typically like very proud and proud people so you actually grew up going back to the island from time to time. Didn't you talk to us about when you were young and what your travel. Experience was like please. Yeah for sure. I actually didn't go back and forth too often. I've actually only went once as a child for a wedding. And that was kind of my introduction to leave in canada and seeing the world. And i think that's what started or what that's what ignited by interest in trouble so i i didn't get to travel as much as i think. A lot of my peers have like we didn't really take family vacations We didn't really. I didn't really have a lot of money growing up so It was it was take that one play in grade three to live my best life for three weeks in comeback. Continue dreaming about. What if they do this for longer term. So what did your
1 Dead, 1 Seriously Injured in Wrong-Way Crash in Holyoke, Massachusetts
"Route 91 in Holyoke dies After crashing into another car. This happened yesterday afternoon as 69 year old woman from Julio, driving south bound on the North bound side crashed her Mercedes into a Honda Civic that was in the North bound lane. That woman pronounced dead at the scene. The driver of the Honda Civic, a 25, year old man from Springfield, taken to Bay State Medical Center with serious injuries. Police still investigating why The woman was on the wrong side of the road Theologian Derry
Jazz set record for 3s in half, beat Magic 137-91
"The the jet jet set set an an NBA NBA record record by by making making eighteen eighteen three three pointers pointers in in the the first first half half of of a a one one thirty thirty seven seven ninety ninety one one throttling throttling of of the the magic magic Donovan Donovan Mitchell Mitchell made made six six of of seven seven from from beyond beyond the the arc arc to to help help you you to to open open a a seventy seventy eight eight forty forty advantage advantage at at the the break break Joe Joe Ingles Ingles and and boy boy on on bike bike down down of of each each each each had had seventeen seventeen for for the the jazz jazz who who ran ran their their team team record record home home winning winning streak streak to to twenty twenty two two do do you you top top player player logged logged more more than than twenty twenty four four minutes minutes six six scored scored in in double double figures figures and and twelve twelve of of the the thirteen thirteen players players in in uniform uniform scored scored at at least least five five Wendell Wendell Carter Carter junior junior had had nineteen nineteen points points and and twelve twelve boards boards to to lead lead the the magic magic I'm I'm the the ferry ferry
White House hopes to see infrastructure bill passed by summer
"Plan to be introduced in Congress by Memorial Day and passed by summer costing trillions. It would cover roads, bridges, airports, train terminals and expand broadband access. Paid for by tax hikes on large corporations and the wealthy White House press secretary Jen Psaki. I will say that in the wake of the 2017 tax bill tax giveaway to corporate America, I should say 91 of the Fortune 500 companies paid no federal taxes. No. Zero Senate Republican leader opposes to Bill Yesterday's office massacre was not random, says
Pfizer says vaccine protection lasts at least 6 months after second shot
"Makers own research offers a fresh look at how long protection from the coronavirus might last. CBS is Kamiya McCormick. A lot of researchers are looking into how long these vaccines protect us and whether we'll need booster shots. Advisor said this morning, it's vaccine is more than 91% effective for at least six months. The company has been studying thousands of fully vaccinated people in the months after they got their second shots. The company says its vaccine also proved to be very effective against the variant. First detective in South Africa variants have been another concern of health experts.
Man's Ebola Relapse Spawned Dozens of New Cases in Africa
"Vans. Ebola's relapse spawned dozens of new cases in Africa a 25 year old motorcycle taxi driver and the Democratic Republic of Congo who developed Ebola's despite receiving a vaccine recovered but had a relapse nearly six months later, leading to 91 new cases before he died, The New England Journal of Medicine published to details of the case Wednesday. The report is new evidence that Ebola can lurk in the body long after symptoms are no longer evident gene tests in the man showed Virus from his new illness was nearly identical to his original infection, meaning he experienced a relapse. Not a new infection. Tests showed he spread the virus to 29 others, and they spread it to 62 more
Myanmar Forces Kill Scores in Deadliest Day Since Coup
"On this just in Myanmar media say security forces have killed 91 people. It's the deadliest day since last month military coup. Again. Media reporting security forces killing 91 people in Myanmar falling protests against last month military coup The very latest developments as we move throughout the morning. Keep it right here with WBZ. News
Eduardo Rodriguez Named Boston Red Sox’ Opening Day Starter
"Rodriguez has the right Opening day starter following his sterling effort in yesterday's 91 exhibition Wind over the Twins. Adam Kaufman,
"91" Discussed on Knowing Faith
"Agree with me on nests. Don't don't don't answer that. I don't want you to this covering against me here. Okay know i let the listener know that. Jen nodded her head. No she did not I don't mind dying you count it. I have not suggested that. God has changed his mind. It's exactly what you just sell. What i'm saying is that it is. It could be possible in divine perfection for god to grieve and regret in a way that is consistent with his character his nature and his.
"91" Discussed on Knowing Faith
"Yep absolutely absolutely okay let's keep going changing our changing minds genesis a. I'm sorry we're turn four episodes genesis six six. The lord regrets the lord regretted that he made the men on the earth and he agreed them to his heart. Okay so let's talk about ways at this is handled There is sometimes which is a we might say is the the prevalent reformed view. Is that this. Language truing regret and grief is accommodation or listening language. That guides that the way that god reveals himself here. This is from calvin that god cannot tell us the inner workings of the mind of and way god is kind. This is a better way to say. God is kind to talk to us about the inner workings of the mind and purposes of god in a way that we can understand. Guide doesn't regret anything. Nor does god grieve anything. Because god doesn't experience emotional life. This would be you know that god is impassable okay God does not have an emotional ivy doesn't experience emotions because of emotions would imply inexperience of unknown or change which would call into question his immutability that he cannot change your experience change That is a very dominant way. And i am. That's the foundation. I stand on fine holding that position. I will say. I struggle because particularly in the old testament. Passages like this. You have to do you talk about you. Wanna talk about reading the bible. You gotta be a a theological gymnasts to say and the lord regretted that. He made up on the earth and aggrieved them to his heart. Now hold on god. Didn't regret it and it didn't but but really I fifteen. I am not even gonna go to systematic theology calvin of the reform tradition. I samuel fifteen Verse ten. I think it is hang on. I'm on the chapter yet. I samuel ten fifteen. The word of the lord came to samuel. I regret same word that i have made saul king for. He has turned back from following me and is not performed my commitments. So the bible says that the lord can regret right. Is that what you're saying you're saying it says in genesis six six. I'm saying that that is what the verse says. I don't know what trap. I if you're asking what the bible a i don't feel right now. I'll okay okay same chapter. I samuel fifteen bursts nine and also the glory of israel will not lie or have engorged israel being a reference for god in also the glory of israel will not lie or have regret for. He is not a man that he should have regret. So so can god regret provinces answer for according to his folly and then he says don't answer according to falling so i don't i mean we can probably point to one hundred places in scripture where we do get a tension that emerges between god's saying i regret something and then two three versus later saying god is not capable of regret. I think that is happening in the same chapter. I understand that and there. We've got one hundred places randomly referring to different things. Oh hold on. you're making. There's not one hundred places in the old testament where the bible describes the emotional life of god because you because for obviously does of course it does and it does so in a comma dating way. Why because god condescends doesn't happen under times. i'm saying we have one chef talk about coaching. That could very well be the case. It could very well be the case that every mention we have of the emotional life of god in the bible and the old testament in particular is a reference as an accommodation as reference and a category that we would understand but that isn't accurate about god because he couldn't speak to us in that manner. I would say this that seems to me. In every argument. I ever heard for the impossibility of god to not be an argument. We need time out about you can keep going. But i need to say something at some point. Well the that argument is almost always squarely an argument. That is is interested. In protecting the immutability of god and and i would say even more specifically these simplicity of god and the transcendence the creator creature distinction. You remember that thing that we so now we're four episodes ago that we said is the most important distinction systematic theology that god is the creator and then we are the creatures and that we need to make those two things separate and distinct. I think you're the one who said that. Are you in late. A creature leaps into god. Is that what you're saying okay. Jt this is the this is the problem with arguing with a system. Titian like this is that they like. They are absolutely convinced that to pull at any part of the fabric is to call into question the whole tapestry and the reality is that's not the case if god greaves. If he regrets he experiences those emotions in perfect consistency with his nature and his character which is qualitatively different than how we experience those things as creatures there is no problem at all with saying god experiences and emotional life but when he experiences them he experiences them with absolute divine perfection when he's grieved is only grieved for that which is absolutely grievous and when he experiences grief experiences in the completely perfect way that's consistent with his character and his nature that you don't lose. I don't believe that you lose. What theologians are impassable theologians are going to say you must christian theologians um my guy what you need to say i'm gonna. I'm not moving past this yet. I've got one more thing to say. Oh no really really okay. In the interest in the interests of baby dinosaurs everywhere. Can we please look back the text itself everyone guys you got your bibles just looking at the text hang on do you have your bibles open minds open. I know serious listeners. Elite probably has aristotle's listeners. Please turn to genesis chapter six. Nope yup chapter six starting in verse. Five okay you ready. Okay now. I want you to think back. Because we're in genesis right so remembering in genesis chapter one where we had the creation account right. Guess what the flood's gonna be. It's going to be a d. creation account okay. So wh- what is god's say at the end of the creation account it says that god looked on everything that he made and behold it was what it was very. Good right okay. So what's the first thing that we see in the creation account that he looks on everything is made and it is not good he sorry about it right and so then look what happens next in verse seven so the lord said i will blow it out man whom i have created because what day was man created on day six. I will bought him out from the face of the earth. And then i so man and animals what they were created on day six than it creeping things and birds of the heavens. They were created on day five I'm sorry that i have made them so what's happening here. He's going backwards in the creation account and he is d- creating so i i guess i care whether god feels or not but i'm more interested in what we're supposed to take from this. Based on the way that the passages written and it's basically setting us up for what will be a d- creation account by reversing what we heard in genesis chapter one. That's true and you're right. That is like in terms of the narrative flow. Here we are. That is a very good way of capturing what is at play in. jt. And i are definitely playing. The one point. Five percent area of disagreement. We have director of god is one point five percent. Oh writing this message surprise. It's what you said. I i am equally. Now's what in denver. Yeah exactly yeah specifically. Let me give out as address that dock some online turtle. Because you're going to need it jen. You.
"91" Discussed on Knowing Faith
"Wilkin and jt. English what's up. Y'all hey guys let's The day is going to be fun. Because we're talking about netflix. And the dinosaurs. I mean listen if you if there was an episode. We're getting double bang for your buck. This is it. This could be like a netflix show or something like that. I want the dinosaurs or maybe a band. We needed. definitely there. Someone's going to need to come up with me of film riding a t. rex face on that to whoever's doing something i've already gotten traction. We've already got it. Jt on a turtle. Get me on a limb writing dinosaur and then. I don't know we'll get a picture of jin once we once we get to the historical books. We'll do gen with a bloody tent tag or something. Well listen we are exploring genesis one through eleven this season today. We're focusing on genesis six through seven So we're we're jumping into the flood story and we're going to cover a lot of ground today and truly we're going to probably have too much fun with this episode and some disagreements between the three of us on some of the things that are happening here let me just get us to genesis six. If you're just tuning in we've wound up in genesis six because we've walked through the story of genesis one through five god created the whole world. He created it in the first three days. We see him creating space in this and the next three days. Four five and six. Pm filling that space. We talked about sabbath day. Rest that genesis seven or excuse me. The the seventh day of creation was supposed to be an unending sabbath rest with god forever between god and his people adam and eve his Men and women who had been created in the image of god. We talked with dr russell. More about the image of god and cultural mandate. We talked about hannah with hannah anderson about women and genesis chapter two. We dove in genesis three and saw how sin was a disruptive. Forest impacting All of life and our relationship with god and the created order. We looked at the post genesis. Three account of exile the birth of cain the murder of abel and how god is providence governing the world even through faithlessness of the people the false failures and sins of his people and we explored in the genealogy of genesis. Five two distinct lines were really beginning to take shape and emerge the line of the seed of the woman in the line of the seed of the serpent and that really comes to a fool contrast in genesis six so when we open up to genesis six we are really seeing i would say a blossoming of these two very distinct lines now because genesis six opens up like this when man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them. The sons of god saw that the daughters of man were attractive and they took as their wives any they chose. Then the lord said my spiritual not and biden man forever for he has flash day. She'll be one hundred and twenty years. The netflix were on the earth in those days and also afterward when the sons of god came into the daughters of men and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old men of renown and then this verse. The lord saw that the wickedness of men was great in the earth and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually and the lord regretted that he had made man on the earth and it grieved him to his heart. So the lord's. I will blot out. Man whom i have created from the face of the land men and animals and creeping things and birds of the heavens. I am sorry that i have made them. But noah found favor in the eyes of the lord. So oh boy. Is there to talk about in genesis. Six one through Oh boy so. Let's just start with this. How bad are things really when we get to. Because genesis six five a seems it almost seems like a like a. It's almost a parody emphatic. The lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. I mean this just seems like limone. It's no good very bad. Worst day ever santa. Just how much negative can you put one verse. Are things this bad. Yeah i mean if you look back to the earlier portion of the text an why are you laughing because there was like a delayed pause and then you go. Yeah just like things and it's like turn to the narrator were yes. They were well now. I'm choking okay. So lamb attack you know. In the in the genealogy the genie the unrighteous. And i'm gonna. I'm gonna hold g. to this guy because we're about to have a fight so i wanna make sure everybody knows what we're fighting for. Lamb ex genie lamp is the end of the canine genealogy and he basically writes a poem of nastiness like. He's just awful about high killed people. And he's of violence and blah blah. And then you know the the righteous line The fight genealogy ends with noah who's going to be the center of our story moving forward so you need those two lines but yes i think. Lamb ex poem is meant to show us just how bad things are But also you know we can. We can take god's word for it if if he said it was bad it was bad god does not act capriciously and so we said in a previous episode that what happens in the chapters immediately. Following genesis three is that we are being led to see the viral Of sin or maybe a better metaphor would be you know. Yeast is often used to describe sin in hebrew thought and how ye spreads throughout an entire lump of dough. And that's what we're seeing. We're seeing this spread this multiplication this fruitfulness and multiplication of sin among humankind. Because things are bad like and they're getting they've gotten bad and they've gotten bad through these lines to such degree that by the time you get to the to the flood situation you hear. The lord regretted that he had made man on the earth and it grieved him to his heart. So the lord. God says i'm going to blow it out man like i'm just you can construction and then you have the very. You can't just past that you can't you gotta talk about that. What do you mean..
"91" Discussed on Knowing Faith
"It's not fallible on this front i will say that kyle i'm not disagreeing with you That is where i struggle. The most is just as as a system addition thinking about the category of deaths in placing that before the houston. They helped helped me think about it in non moral terms which is helpful. But that that's just always been a struggle for me which makes me not want to think about this anymore. Get it yeah. I think oh boy who are concerned about them being fitting on the ark. 'cause i know that some people are like the question i get all the time is. Was it baby. Dinosaurs that they put on the ark. And i think that's something we can explore it what we get further into the flood. Narrative is when it says that he had to of every kind of animal. Do we mean that literally two of every single kind of animal were kept on the arc. So maybe that's a nice little cliffhanger to to to to leave us with At the end of this crazy episode. That did nothing to set out to do. This is a we're going to have to read defended the doctrine of god this time so it wasn't tending to do. We need to end this quickly before. I have a legitimately. Like i haven't met okay in this in a way that actually reflects something here. We the three of us entered into this episode knowing that we were going to disagree on these topics that these disagreements don't have real connections it's to say that not any one of us believes that the any of the other three are Heterodox yeah we all we all believe that essentially we are trying to make the best sense of the material year. We believe that. God's word is a thorough -tated. If gin and i disagree about sons of god language in genesis six or jt. And i disagree about grief and regret language. Were doing so within this crucible of doctrinal exploration early on which is if i have to put my feet down anywhere that i'm going to land where the tradition has lad but something that jt. And i have talked about a lot. I think it's important and something that knowing faith tries to do is we're not just interested in the theological defense we're interested in constructive theology building and engaging things and it's i think it's one of the unique virtues of this show so if you walk away from while i'm really struggling with something know that part of what we're doing here is doing some exploration you're invited into that but at the end of the day. You should be really confident. God's is clear on matters of crucial significance it is clear and under the doctrine of the elimination i am. I am either wrong on this. Because i'm a bad reader because of the hurdle of sin or something else but god's word is not wrong not wrong in anything that testifies to so so we met me or might be wrong. We might both be wrong. But what's not wrong as god's word. Jt or i might be wrong. We might both be wrong. But what's not wrong is god's word disagreements and conversations here are not a fruit of the fact that god's word is not clear or is wrong. It's a fruit of our attempts against our inability to truly understand it. We come to the texas intellectual dependents. So and as we've said before you you know the my rip off comment and i'm not sure if i attributed it properly the last time i said at somebody to make sure i get it right this time but i beg said. Main things are playing things. Playing things remain. Things are not disagreeing on any of the main or playing things in the tax. In fact it's a luxury to start entertaining the kinds of questions that we have now frittered forty five minutes on in this episode You know sometimes you just wanna go there but the reality is that the the the flood narrative is in no way we can talk about the flood narrative income away with exactly what we need from it and then these other questions might be things that we think about you know. They're good question to ask but they're not going to diminish the main thrust of the story for us or the message that we're supposed to take away absolutely absolutely well if you're still with us and you'd like to join the conversation order or to levy disagreement Which we have done you can find us on social media at knowing stay where knowing faith on twitter and facebook and instagram. You can find us there. Patriots dot com slash fe. And find out what the cool stuff that's going on there and our.
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"Be more coherent with the natural order of the world and with the flow of history. That's my take on it. So is that what. You're listening again in the epic of gilgamesh. Is that the dinosaurs have. We gotten to that part yet. No but i am ready to talk. About diana's yeah yeah. I think it's time. I mean i totally agree with you on the on that reading of why those those stories exist You know it's just. It means that something big happened. I do think it's important for us to discuss. You said it bears evidence that a worldwide flood occurred But there's a lot of discussion among scholars biblical scholars about whether the flood had to be a worldwide flood or whether it could have been a regional flood like known world. Kind of event Do you a strong feeling one way or the other you know. That's that's a good question. My take on it is that it is a cosmic worldwide flight. I think if we are to understand That is a remaking of the world. And i think that again. I think that what we're finding in the flood story is that this flood is like it's all encompassing and i think that if this is a recreation narrative or a d. creation narrative. I think it's to be all or nothing. And i think that the that the even we're seeing some resonances from a biblical theology perspective between the chaotic waters of genesis one in two or genesis one verses one through two and the flood story to me. It seems like well. I don't have a reason to think that it's not a cosmic flood or worldwide catastrophe. And i think if it's going to be a judgment of the world because send did not just break humanity. The judgment here is not just humanity and that's detailed at the beginning of the account right. It's the birds the beast. It's the whole created order. And i think if that's the case this is a all of creation thing that's a. That's a really good argument. Not i haven't heard it said that clearly Would you say that someone who doesn't believe that it is a worldwide flood is outside the pale of orthodoxy. Like if they say well it definitely had to have wiped out humankind or so. You would not okay. That's good to hear. I think that's good. No i i think in the same way that what we're about to talk about dinosaurs is just for the record. What we're talking about. Dinosaurs is almost one hundred percent canonical and biblical imagination and speculation. 'cause anybody who tells you they got a biblical case to make for dinosaurs is out of their mind. It just does. It doesn't exist and that's not to say you can't have a good position on it. It's just to say the bible is not addressing dinosaurs. You better say more things you just made it sound like. They don't exist like the dinosaurs fake. You were like anyone. Making biblical justification for dinosaurs is out of their mind. That's what you said. They were put there by sabin. Odes in dinas. Here's here's my take on dinosaurs. Dinosaurs existed and died before the beginning of redemptive history. So i take an older view creation. So i'm not. I'm not spreading any live here. I've been consistent on this issue. Can view creation and i believe in plant and animal death before the fall and i take it that dinosaurs existed prior to prior to creation further back than humanity further back than adam and eve and that they are essentially a pre historical Creature that did not exist on the same kind of timespan adam and eve in the garden or is no with the flood. I do not take an animal death to be moral in nature. And i see that the dinosaurs could have been created and existed and they certainly are far older than anything that we would have in terms of humanity. So that's my take on dinosaurs. Dinosaurs were in the flood. I don't think they were killed in the flood. I don't think they were on the ark. I don't think that adam and eve would have walked around dinosaurs. I don't think there were velociraptor garden or outside the garden. I think that they had come and gone. And we're dead long before The garden was planted. And because of that we are now able to reap their fuel and drive around in our cars so every time you turn on the everytime like real like rudolph boltman set it out turning on. Rudolf said about maternity. He said you know some some crazy outlandish thing about every time you turn on a light bulb you know you essentially deny the virgin birth or something. He was bonkers for that. But i would say that every time you fill up your car with gasoline. You essentially acknowledged that dinosaurs died millions and millions and millions if not billions of years. That's my take on dinosaurs. Hot one for sure. I agree or you disagree vote. -ment is really concerned about your social life. You need to get out more. Wow i didn't know we were going to talk about that much about dinosaurs I think your position is compelling jt. Anything edged mallet microsoft. Yeah i don't know. I really don't. This is one of those things. It's like i i just. I don't want to take the easy well. The text is an answering the question that as an easy out. That's an important her musical principally. I just mean like you know how there are some things that you're just like i don't care yeah and i don't care like spend a lot of time thinking about it. I don't care to spend a lot time like maybe it makes me a bad the illusion or something i just don't i don't know i don't care and i've got a lot of other really important things that i need to think about that. Like got kyle says compelling that could be it they can also be sa- you know i just don't know i think the important thing that we should all take away is that neither kyle not. I thinks that dinosaurs are fake. That this that the record is fake to make us think they may have been put there by. Ufo's in order to help us got anymore. Yeah that's not how they i. My big kicker is that. I i think that when we when we're talking about dinosaurs were we're talking about death. I think that there is often a mischaracterization that genesis three brings death into the world. I would say that. I don't know that that to be true. I think the jimmy here that separation from god and physical and spiritual death from guy so a lot of time people just how the diner dinosaurs have existed prior to genesis three. They couldn't died and if they are. They're either far younger than we think they are. Which is typically. What people suggest that they were killed in a cataclysmic flood and because of the unique flood and topography conditions. Their fossils aged at a very unusual rate. It just feels to me like listen. The same dating that we use for dinosaur bones is the same dating. We use for manuscripts. It's carbon fourteen day dating so either. Our manuscript dating system is off or the fossil record is off but to me it just seems like dinosaur seemed to be markedly old older than the history of the world and that poses no problems for christianity or the story of the bible at all. If you feel like man. I'm super concerned about dinosaurs. And how the bible doesn't address. I would go addressing. Don't be concerned about dinosaurs. They lived they died. And god's word is not imperfect and.
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"Than humans regardless of whether it's positive emotion a negative emotion or chain of on and you're holding onto the simplicity of god which i do not believe i understand though necessary architecture for our doctrine of god. Here's my question to you can. This is the one question. I wanna ask. Kyle if what you're saying is true. Why the incarnation of god can redemptive act in his own emotional life whether that being love or wrath or grief or redemption. Why would the son of god needs to become incarnate in order to act upon those things and we've talked about this before i would say that that is the if we're looking for an area where you and i can meet in the middle on. It's that i would say that. There is a better argument to be made about the from the incarnation as the means by which god acts in this way in the world and communicates the the. But that's not what i'm asking. Why the incarnation. Well i don't know that i. I don't know that i would say that. If we have a god who is passable meaning. He experiences emotions with all the caveats. I've given to. I don't know that. I i've seen that that is the that would be the logical That would undo the need of the incarnation or the redemptive work of christ. I think we're having a question about whether or not god in his interior life experiences emotions. Not whether or not. The son of god in karnik flesh was needed for this nation of mankind. You could say that god would have to assume human flesh to pay three and part of the emotional. Life of god is tied to the incarnation as he bears. The wrath of sin extends love towards sinners in a way that only as possible. You would argue. I would think through the incarnation. So it's only by adopting a deep view of impossibility. Simplicity that the incarnation even make sense because that could possibly be true. Guys back i. we're we thank. You can jump either. We made it to verse eight of chapter six. I told you we're going to be three or four fun when it's probably true had never rained before. What are you trying to trying to talk about the no. I'm not doing it down right now in the name of dinosaurs now. I do think though since we'd now clearly do not have time to talk about the flood in any meaningful manner. I think we could cover at least Flood narratives in the ancient near east. And i think that we could discuss dinosaurs. But i do not think that we should talk about the rest of chapter six because i feel lord with judge will will move the flood on. So let's talk about ancient stories and let's talk about dinosaurs okay. So we're not gonna call this episode. We're gonna call this episode the genesis six circuits. That's what we're gonna call. Let's with ancient near eastern stories. Jin is this the only ancient near eastern story that includes mention of the fly. No kyle no. it's not. I'm number last last time we did this. And kyle talked about the bible as coverage is sports so regarding the coverage so far is okay. Wait because i am going to hit you so hard. I'm going to take your breath away. Breath away kyle. Okay awkward so yes one of the things that it's really important for people to hear is often something that people learn too late in their in their Learning curve with with the story of the flood is that there are actually literally hundreds of these stories out there in an. I don't say literally assault literally like there are literally hundreds of flood traditions across cultures. That are actually very similar. many of them are are have a lot of the same elements of the flood account that we have here of noah so they talk about a family that receives favour. They talk about survival due to a boat. They talk about The disaster being brought upon due to man's wickedness about animals being saved about survivors that end up on a mountain Some of them even include birds being sent out And things like that so so then people find this out like usually when they go to college or you know they're in a bible class or something and they're like what so then. Is our flood story. Just rip off and like the most the the best known. One is the epic of gilgamesh. That's the one you hear about the most So then what are we supposed to think that. As is moses just did. He hit a lazy writing season and decide that he was just gonna take someone else's story and use it for his own purposes. Like how do we answer this because this this can be with people of faith. That's my that's my position. Yeah i'm sure but like so help. No christian well so listen one of the. We've talked about this already. Ally is that god reveals himself in a way that is kind to his people on that makes sense with the scope of the world. I think that what we see with the abundance of flood narratives in ancient near eastern is resounding proof that a worldwide flood occurred. And i think that that that the abundance of those stories does not discredit the story of scripture. I think it gives a lot of credence to the story of scripture. People often will treat the flood and the flood. Narrative is some sort of absolutely bananas kind of idea. Would you feel that same way if you knew. Just about every ancient near eastern story contained one. You know if if you and i were having a conversation about what happened yesterday and you mounted a hundred people who told me. A football game happened yesterday at seven o'clock and maybe all of them saw the football game from a different angle. But if we were talking about what happened. Did a football game happen or not and one hundred people say football game happened but maybe this little bit is different. In my view of it. I would go wow great. We have a lot of good credence for suggesting that a football game happened yesterday. I think the abundance of the ancient near eastern stories don't diminish the credibility of scriptures account of the of the flood. I think they'd actually in anyways. It strengthens the credibility of scriptures witness. Then it becomes a question of which flood account seems to be most coherent with the state of the world. And if you get into these ancient near eastern stories many of them read like a stained glass window with a bunch of pains punched out of it. Okay they don't they. They are not nearly as cohesive as the story that you find. The epic of gilgamesh is the closest one. But even the epic of gilgamesh involves a dragon beast to note Which i think is also an important note in terms of overlap credibility. But i think that when you get into those stories you realize. I'll tell you you read the epic of gilgamesh and then you read the flood story and tell me which one of them seems to be more coherent. I'll put one hundred dollars on the fact that you're gonna way down and say yeah. This genesis stick sewri seems to.
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"On day six. I will bought him out from the face of the earth. And then i so man and animals what they were created on day six than it creeping things and birds of the heavens. They were created on day five I'm sorry that i have made them so what's happening here. He's going backwards in the creation account and he is d- creating so i i guess i care whether god feels or not but i'm more interested in what we're supposed to take from this. Based on the way that the passages.
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"Today at cross. Wait dot org slash family discipleship. Yep absolutely absolutely okay. Let's keep going changing our changing minds. Genesis a. I'm sorry we're gonna turn this four episodes genesis six six. The lord regrets the lord regretted that he made the men on the earth and he agreed them to his heart. Okay so let's talk about ways at this is handled There is sometimes which is a we might say is the the prevalent reformed view. Is that this language. Construing regret and grief is accommodation or listening language that guides that the way that god reveals himself. Here this is from calvin that god cannot tell us the inner workings of the mind of god and way. God is kind. This is a better way to say. God is kind to talk to us about the inner workings of the mind and purposes of god in a way that we can understand. Guide doesn't regret anything. Nor does god grieve anything. Because god doesn't experience emotional life. This would be you know that god is impassable God does not have an emotional ivy doesn't experience emotions because of emotions would imply inexperience of unknown or change which would call into question his immutability that he cannot change your experience change That is a very dominant way. And i am. That's the foundation. I stand on fine holding that position. I will say. I struggle because particularly in the old testament. Passages like this. You have to do you talk about you. Wanna talk about reading the bible. You gotta be a a theological gymnasts to say and the lord regretted that. He made up on the earth and aggrieved them to his heart. Now hold on god. Didn't regret it and it didn't but but really I fifteen. I am not even going gonna go to systematic theology calvin of the reform tradition. I samuel fifteen Verse ten. I think it is hang on. I'm on the chapter yet. I samuel ten fifteen. The word of the lord came to samuel. I regret same word that i have made saul king for. He has turned back from following me and is not performed my commitments. So the bible says that the lord can regret right. Is that what you're saying you're saying it says in genesis six six. I'm saying that that is what the verse says. I don't know what trap. I if you're asking what the bible a i don't feel right now. I'll okay okay. Same chapter i samuel fifteen twenty nine and also the glory of israel will not lie or have engorged israel being a reference for god in also the glory of israel will not lie or have regret for he is not a man that he should have respect so so can god regret provinces answer for according to his folly and then he says don't answer according to falling so i don't i mean we can probably point to one hundred places in scripture where we do get a tension that emerges between god's saying i regret something and then two three versus later saying god is not capable of regret. I think that is happening in the same chapter. I understand that and there. We've got one hundred places randomly referring to different things. Oh hold on. you're making. There's not one hundred places in the old testament where the bible describes the emotional life of god because you because for obviously does of course it does and it does so in a comma dating way. Why because god condescends times. I'm saying we have one chef talk about coaching. That could very well be the case. It could very well be the case that every mention we have of the emotional life of god in the bible and the old testament in particular is a reference as an accommodation as reference and a category that we would understand but that isn't accurate about god because he couldn't speak to us in that manner. I would say this that seems to me. In every argument. I ever heard for the impossibility of god to not be an argument. We need time out about you can keep going. But i need to say something at some point. Well the that argument is almost always squarely an argument. That is is interested. In protecting the immutability of god and and i would say even more specifically these simplicity of god and the transcendence the creator creature distinction. You remember that thing that we so now we're four episodes ago that we said is the most important distinction systematic theology that god is the creator and then we are the creatures and that we need to make those two things separate and distinct. I think you're the one who said that. Are you in late. A creature leaps into god. Is that what you're saying okay. Jt this is the this is the problem with arguing with a system. Titian like this is that they like. They are absolutely convinced that to pull at any part of the fabric is to call into question the whole tapestry and the reality is that's not the case if god greaves. If he regrets he experiences those emotions in perfect consistency with his nature and his character which is qualitatively different than how we experience those things as creatures there is no problem at all with saying god experiences and emotional life but when he experiences them he experiences them with absolute divine perfection when he's grieved is only grieved for that which is absolutely grievous and when he experiences grief experiences in the completely perfect way that's consistent with his character and his nature that you don't lose. I don't believe that you lose. What theologians are what feelings are going to say. You must christian theologians um my guy say what you need to say. I'm gonna. i'm not moving past this yet. I've got one more thing to say. Oh no really really okay. In the interest in the interests of baby dinosaurs everywhere. Can we please look back the text itself. Everyone guys you got your bible. Just looking at the text. Hang on. Do you have your bibles open minds open. I know serious listeners. Elite probably has aristotle's listeners. Please turn to genesis chapter six. Nope yup chapter six starting in verse. Five okay you ready. Okay now. I want you to think back. Because we're in genesis right so remembering in genesis chapter one where we had the creation account right. Guess what the flood's gonna be. It's going to be a d. creation account okay. So wh- what is god's say at the end of the creation account it says that god looked on everything that he made and behold it was what it was very. Good right okay. So what's the first thing that we see in the creation account that he looks on everything is made and it is not good he sorry about it right and so then look what happens next in verse seven so the lord said i will blow it out man whom i have created because what day was man created.
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"Waiting reading my commentary reading it. What do you think you tell us your vote because we're gonna have to move onto dinosaurs. No obviously had an opinion before this. But i wanted to see if you could convince me and i have not been changed but i will double down. I agree with you. Jen what i do. I don't know that in principle are in principle are our agreement here is actually the same. We actually think this is the result of the seed the the line of the serpent regardless of how you cut it the differences new think. It's the human descent of the line of the serpent. And i'm suggesting it is the line of the serpent as the serpent is in one way almost a federal head of the evil line and that would include not just the humans of that all of the fallen angelic forces that kind of That go along with sate. Now kyle will you ask. The question is is what is what is the reference in this text. Yeah like i'm gonna. I'm gonna make you happy here like what. What is the bible on inverse intending to say with sons of god yeah. I don't know that there's a reference for that matter of calling anybody sons of god prior to genesis six so that phrase is being introduced here in a way that is not indicative of anything that we're seeing in genesis five but adjusting. But are you suggesting that the the line of the serpent could be referred to as the sons of got what i think. That's what i'm saying. Well no she's saying that the daughters of men but to me. It seems like we don't have. The sons of god phrase seems to be unique here but maybe daughters of man is unique as well. I don't know that. I've given as much thought to that description as much as i have. Sons of god but it seems to me that these maybe it's both the the the daughters and the signs are being referred to here in a way that there is not a prior a reference in genesis with that title of sons of god or daughters of man. Is there right but is there later. Reference is informing. You're reading it doesn't just need to be pryor reference I'm definitely thinking that he hold off on this given to us that we should be called the sons of god. Uh oh yeah exactly exactly. It's that's my point is if we're taking we've been taking some flack on this on twitter a canonical reading there are reference here that should inform our understanding of what is going on here because we believe in two authors of the text right. Kyle just making sure now to be fair to kyle there. There are a lot of people who ascribe to kyle's view. Most of them are mormon. That's fine detail. That is one of the best. A here's what we have child describing to a mormon view of angels scribes jehovah's. Stodgy the worst. We just end the episode. Now kyle and we have another big disagreement coming up here about dinosaurs. Keep doing this about the possibility. And impossibility of god. We've got so much ground to cover here are oh my goodness. I think here's what i would say is that it seems as if sons of god is a phrase that i know i i was trying to search for the reference and a hat and earlier notes. And i've lost it. But i believe that i peter and jude both invoked the phrase sons of god to reference fallen angels and. I'm not like without credence here. I found an article by william cooke He's essentially he's a professor of new testament reputation at southern baptist theological seminary so it's not like i'm just over here winging it and he says despite the obvious difficulties of the interpretation of sons of god being fallen angels. I believe the evidence points slightly in its favor mainly because both peter and jude seemed to have held it he references. I peter three eighteen through twenty two And jude saying it any chance it was in the doctrine of the covenants or the pearl of great price or a book of mormon. We're going to move past this. But i do think i will say this because we get some other important topics that are also fun to talk about. I will say i often asked. Is there something. Do you guys ever change your mind because it can feel like. Oh you didn't hear these conversations and we've made up our mind and all these things and we're decided but this is one point where the summers i looked at it I really did feel like man because my big hangup was not on the phraseology. Here it was on the embodiment of angels. And that was my hangup. Was the oncology of angels. Angel could not have these kinds of relations. But if that's the argument. I don't think that argument holds up because we see an embodied angels throughout the old testament avenue estimate and we see that Angels are pride upon sexually and the the tragic story of sodom and gomorrah so it does appear that like part of the great tragedy of genesis of the story of sodom and gomorrah. Is that this possibility of Sexual abuse or sexual exchange between angels and men was a possibility And so my previous reasoning now jinnah. Jd brought up some points that make me. I need to go back and look at this but my previous reasoning for why. This was not a viable interpretation. It did not hold water when i squared it with other instances of angels in the bible and i think that was a place where i felt like i can't keep holding this at least not for that reason. That's really good. Kyle and i think we change our minds all the time if we're not continually learning than then really what are we doing. And you're you're great example of constantly changing your mind after you've conversations just kidding i'm just kidding i was actually going to say something about it. It just didn't quite do it. Yes i think for for listeners may be here near this or like here. Disagreements between us especially on things like this and important category just to be reminded of his theological triage the like. There's lots of things in the bible that or just hard and challenging and over the history of the church or the even over the last few decades there's lots of different interpretations on his passage in particular and it's okay to have robust good conversations the friends as to tell you one of the greatest joys. The season is looking to disciple my daughter. But i often feel like i need help or direction. Ms important in often the most difficult discipleship relationship is the one between a parent and a child matt chandler and adam griffin want to offer parents some practical guidance in their new book. Family discipleship madame. Give families a framework for developing a sustainable rhythm of gospel centered discipleship in the home built around three key areas time moments and milestones. 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"Unholy slowdown. I you have to explain. What is the problem like. There's somebody bad has sex with somebody else. And then a real bad thing happens but the question is who when he was sleeping with him right. Yeah well yeah. I think so. I think that the the question here is nethon or the product of what this is going to be. That's what i take it to be at the sons of god and in the past. I've said the sons of god. I don't know what they are but they're not embodied angels. Yeah having evil unholy sexual relationships with the daughters of men. I changed my mind on that. I actually do think that they are fall. In in djelic beings who are having unholy immoral evil sexual relationships unnatural sexual relationships with the daughters of men now. I don't know that you to agree with me on this. I would use to disagree with myself. I have changed my mind on. This actually took a few weeks. This summer studied this passage and felt like gay. I am one hundred percent wrong about this. I've changed my position on this. Okay so we a fallen angel in vote for. I'm not going. i'm not going yet. i'm waiting convinced me here. I am with my coffee mug. Convinced me give me your take gen. Okay so what have we been talking about. Let's so kyle is giving you an argument. That's based on. How shall we say it. He's gone and dug into the commentaries and he's let people yell at him from both sides. Okay so i'm going to give you my argument based on which is fair. I'm not trying to denigrate his approach but my friends she was about to say kyle has been convinced by the commentaries bible argument for my position. I just went. I would never say and biblical if it's something that is something that's not clear. So so but my argument is based on the structure of the text. Okay so If you look at it we just came. Out of two different genealogies you had an unrighteous line and you had a righteous line and not only that. But we've already touched on the idea that china The city of eac was the city of man. Which is this theme. That's going to be carried all the way through. So you already have a tension between The plans of god and the plans of man the the building projects of god and the building projects of man. And so then. I think when we find ourselves at the beginning of genesis chapter six when it says the sons of god and the daughters of man. What we're hearing are those same to demarcations That there are The daughters of the canaanite nightline who are going to marry with the sons of the seth nightline. So the sons of god would be those in the righteous line of seth and the daughters of man would be those in the in the unrighteous line of kane. And so what i believe is being given to us. Here is either way whether you go with kyle's argument or my argument it's an unholy alliance that is going to result in a dangerous offspring. But i would say that based on the text it's just humans who are forming unholy alliances. not angel. So you think you think the problem is that like that. Isn't that unusual. Because well that seems odd to me to humans would come together and create what appeared to be some sort of deviant procreation like the neth limb are distinguished from in a way other. Humans say you're saying that's the result of the line of holy line. The sons of god but that phrase sons of god. Isn't that such a strange way of saying it. it seems like why i just. I don't know that. I buy that the genealogy bring but why are you saying. Nfl like superheroes mutants will the will. The neville are definitely distinguish when they appear again in numbers as being some shino giant race. So i think if the numbers are there appearing later on the story and these neth lamb are what's number thirteen. I've got here. So they brought to the people of israel bad report of the land that they had spied out saying the land through which we've gone spied out the land that devours its inhabitants. And all the people that we saw our great height there. We saw the netflix them. The sons of annex. Who come from the netflix. And we seem to ourselves like grasshoppers and so we seem to them so it seems like the neth lamar being distinguished as top. I do think an unholy but this is tall violent people. why why are they. The result of to humans getting together that to me seems to be. I don't buy it okay. So i come from tall peaceful people right. My whole family are really tall. But but if you have because it said well look. This is the sons daughters men. Were attractive or right there. I'm like ooh that sounds like first of all. That's you but it's it's basically saying that that that people who were of the righteous line who should have known better than to make an unholy alliance with the unrighteous line went and did so and then god who has promises both blessings and curses Carries out this this Curse effect on the offspring of that line. That they're tall. Violent people why they have to be to be mutant ninja turtles but what is verse for verse. Four like makes it seem as if there is something odd. that's happening. the netflix were on the earth. In those days in also afterward win the sons of god came into the daughters of man and they bore children to them. Why is this of note. If it's just what's been happening in the genealogy already because as you lines are converging because moses is going to mention the film again they're going to come back in the story later on so we get a little heads up here so that later we go. Oh i remember those guys. You know why. They're so terrible and their enemies of god because they came from these unions though union between the line of like the holy line on yeah come out from among them. Yeah don't yeah but but instead they're like She's hot so jacob jacob. Your names jacob. Jt's over they're being really quiet..
"91" Discussed on Knowing Faith
"This is wurley everyday go. Gosh okay sorry. I was on a lag. Yeah for sure yeah. Thank you Okay here we go guys miss me. Don't act like you don't yeah. Ebbs and flows doesn't this is called whirling i'm joined by my co host. Jin wilkin and jt. English what's up. Y'all hey guys let's Day is going to be fun. Because we're talking about netflix. And the dinosaurs. I mean. listen if you if there was an episode. We're getting double bang for your buck. This is it. This could be like a netflix show or something like that. I want the dinosaurs or maybe a band. We needed. definitely there. Someone's going to need to come up with me of film riding a t. rex face on that to whoever's doing something i've already gotten traction. We've already got it. Jt on a turtle. Get me on a limb writing dinosaur then. I don't know we'll get a picture of jin once we once we get to the historical books. We'll do gen with a bloody tent tag or something. Well listen we are exploring genesis one through eleven this season today. We're focusing on genesis six through seven So we're we're jumping into the flood story and we're going to cover a lot of ground today and truly we're going to probably have too much fun with this episode and some disagreements between the three of us on some of the things that are happening here let me just get us to genesis six. If you're just tuning in we've wound up in genesis six because we've walked through the story of genesis one through five god created the whole world. He created it in the first three days. We see him creating space in this and the next three days. Four five and six. Pm filling that space. We talked about sabbath day. Rest that genesis seven or excuse me. The the seventh day of creation was supposed to be an unending sabbath rest with god forever between god and his people adam and eve his Men and women who had been created in the image of god. We talked with dr russell. More about the image of god and cultural mandate. We talked about hannah with hannah anderson about women and genesis chapter two. We dove in genesis three and saw how sin was a disruptive forest impacting all of life and our relationship with god and the created order. We looked at the post genesis. Three account of exile the birth of cain the murder of abel and how god is providence a governing the world even through faithlessness of the people the false failures and sins of his people and we explored in the genealogy of genesis. Five two distinct lines were really beginning to take shape and emerge the line of the seed of the woman in the line of the seed of the serpent and that really comes to a fool contrast in genesis six so when we open up to genesis six we are really seeing i would say a blossoming of these two very distinct lines now because genesis six opens up like this when man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them. The sons of god saw that the daughters of man were attractive and they took as their wives any they chose. Then the lord said my spiritual not on biden man forever for he has flash day. She'll be one hundred and twenty years. The netflix were on the earth. In those days and also afterward the sons of god came into the daughters of men and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old men of renown and then this verse. The lord saw that the wickedness of men was great in the earth and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually and the lord regretted that the made men on the earth and it grieved him to his heart. So the lord's. I will blot out. Man whom i have created from the face of the land men and animals and creeping things and birds of the heavens. I am sorry that i have made them. But noah found favor in the eyes of the lord. So oh boy. Is there to talk about in genesis. Six one through Oh boy so. Let's just start with this. How bad are things really when we get to. Because genesis six five a seems it almost seems like a like a. It's almost a parody emphatic. The lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. I mean this just seems like limone snakebites. No good very bad. Worst day ever santa. Just how much negative can you put one verse. Are things this bad. Yeah i mean if you look back to the earlier portion of the text an why are you laughing because there was like a delayed pause and then you go yeah just like day and it's like turn to the narrator. Yes they were well now. I'm choking okay so lamb attack you know. In in the in the genealogy the genie the unrighteous. And i'm gonna. I'm gonna hold g. to this guy because we're about to have a fight so i wanna make sure everybody knows what we're fighting for. Lamb ex genie lamp is the end of the canine genealogy and he basically writes a poem of nastiness like. He's just awful about how has killed people. And he's of violence and blah blah. And then you know the the righteous line The fight genealogy ends with noah who's going to be the center of our story moving forward so you need those two lines but yes i think. Lamb ex poem is meant to show us just how bad things are But also you know we can. We can take god's word for it if if he said it was bad it was bad god does not act capriciously and so we said in a previous episode that what happens in the chapters immediately. Following genesis three is that we are being led to see the viral nature of sin. Or maybe a better metaphor would be you know. Yeast is often used to describe sin in hebrew thought and how ye spreads throughout an entire lump of dough. And that's what we're seeing. We're seeing this spread this multiplication this fruitfulness and multiplication of sin among humankind. Because things are bad like and they're getting they've gotten bad and they've gotten bad through these lines to such degree that by the time you get to the to the flood situation you hear. The lord regretted that he had made man on the earth and it grieved him to his heart. So the lord. God says i'm going to blow it out man like i'm just you can construction and then you have the very. You can't just past that you can't you gotta talk about that. What do you mean. God regretted that he made man. This is where i wanna fight. I'm ready for this one island. I disagree about this. I don't know that we. I yeah i mean. I think that there's an important thing here which is in jt. And i've talked about this a lot and we've talked certainly more about it off the show than we have on the show but well let's talk about it on the show convinced to you or you know. I don't want to rush past netflix. And sons of god. So let's just put worse. Let's see okay so there's a question here which is what are the sons of god. What are the nfl. I'm not gonna tell you so one of the questions. We get a lot from knowing faith listeners. Have you ever changed your mind about something. This is a. This is a time where i have changed my mind. I am on the record on this show as saying. I don't know what the sons have got are in genesis six. But i know that they're not embodied angels having sex with the daughters of men.
"91" Discussed on Not So Standard Deviations
"It's like I. You studied the movies and and then as you get more technical. You're ready to sort of study. The process more. Yeah and so trying trying to jump to the process is difficult or maybe even like misguided but I think you know movies especially nowadays you when you have like two technologies so inexpensive and advanced Like if you you you could just go make a movie you know and like it wouldn't be good but you would cap you you could. You could watch like a professional neatly made movie and see and see like they did this and they you know they have actors and they have you can kind of look breakdown various pieces of it And then try to replicate it on your own and I think this kind of leads into the second law. Which is the imitation part? which is that you could like one of the first things you can do is take something that other people? Don't just try to mirror it a little bit and I think that is I think when you have I'm trying to. I can't quite figure out the way to express this. It's like when the output is like independent of the process process. That kind of led to it. Then I think it's this whole thing works right so if you talking about like the movie can be viewed without ever ever knowing like who made it or how it was made or whether it was filmed in this country or that country. You know like you don't really have to know those details. Yeah and the same aim for like a product. How car like you can drive the car in whatever and you can you can evaluate it and so things like that? I think apply it makes sense. This person author. He's like in marketing and he's talking about he's working with companies that are selling products right and I think but I think I think it's it's I think but I think it's useful to kind of contrast it with like getting people to produce data analyses or kind of produce good or bad date analyses. It shows the kind of the difficulty in doing that compared to say building learning how to build products I mean. We'll the aren't they. I don't know let me frame it. This way saying see if that agrees with you disagrees because I think I might lose the threat on. Your argument is little but it's something around the lines of so everyone watches movies. Most everyone watches movies. And you're right. It's only certain people who start to think like how did they achieve this effect lake. Jake that was a really cool thing. You have to observe it with this curious. Mind where you're actually interested about how they accomplish the things that they accomplished. So you you start to notice like I don't know that that technique where you kinda like zoom in while the camera's rolling back so it kind of goes back to yeah exactly and so you'd have someone who's like so. I think the interest to make movies has to be there and then you start to observe them more technically and then when you get to learn the technical skill you already. Have this encyclopedic knowledge of what you want to achieve so that learning the things the achieve like you'll be like how do you do this or like some even if your classroom study and they'll be like okay now. We're GONNA talk about how to do that. And you're like Oh yeah. I've wondered that you know on it. Yeah maybe part of the I mean with all academic subjects. You sort of start with like how to do it even if you don't appreciate the outcome which is sort sort of my qualm with the academic purchase specially the data science. where it's like? It just feels so much more natural if you or someone who is like exposed to some theme theme ally and you start to wonder how to achieve it and then you start to dig into how to achieve it and then you sort of build your ear knowledge of the field based on that. I think that can be done if you really narrow the context that the training meaning is occurring Sahara. Says if you if you dramatically narrow the context in which training occurs so imagine you came to school and they they were like in you and and we told you okay. You'RE GONNA learn how to analyze data from clinical trial randomized clinical trials for you know heart disease and this or would you like then. It's like okay. Well then you just look at all the clinical trials for that disease and see how they're done and see how they're analyzing it's like then you could really consume a lot well and there's a lot of data science classes or statistics classes statistics for X.. Lake statistics for doctors. I and so those are people coming in from the field. Who won and get to know how to do things a little better and then from suspicions? We're kind of like. Oh it's always like not as advanced topics like I. I don't know I feel like there's kind of a bias against those types of classes but I guess I'm arguing that in fact I think that's where that's more smells. Smells like organic way of learning field. Well it's you know. I think because like when you do that you introduce a introduce an element of standardization So there's only so much variation that can exist if you're only looking at you know. randomized clinical trials for myocardial infarction. You know And I think to a certain extent even though movies are the kind of creative product like there is quite a bit of standardization. There right. They're all kind of the same length. They all appear on the screen. They're all the. There's a certain amount of their that is like you don't think about. I think if you just say data analysis this it's two months ago and I think there's no every all the pieces are moving altogether as opposed to say fixing certain things and then just looking at the variation along a narrow set of dimensions yet. It's like you have to do to someone who comes from it. Organically has to have two levels of of obstruction like I. They have to care about the field in the way. I'm suggesting like you. I have to care about the field. Then you have to care about the methods a little more for like doing the field better and then you have to decide that you actually care about the methods the most and you want to learn more of the methods right. You know what I mean. Yeah versus I mean I think would happen in any technical field where it's like you care about the movies and how they're made and then you learn the technical spill and then you like developed Alva- passion for brought applications of the technical skill but that's like Yeah you start to lose I I mean I think one of my issues with medical field or at least the part I was in now. I shouldn't even say the medical field. Genetic field is that the levels of abstraction from people too much for me like when you get to like methods for dealing with variance in gene expression expression. That's really far from like this person has cancer can we solve. It can be like like you know. Save their life and so I think I learned that that was too far but there's tons of people that are super passionate there and it's not like they've lost sight of application either so I just think in my mind you know. The consumption phase talks about is really a a data collection phase whose whose goal is essentially build a model that describes CBS the variation within this area. Yeah I think if there's just too much variation than the you can't build a model that's way well and and again I think what's hard with this field is that you're usually most data. Scientists are operating at the level of caring about the variation and of the technical skill. And you lose sight of the variation of the field. You're applying to and that disconnect and like I think that there's just kind of a Personality trend of the people who get drawn directly to this technical variation like are kind of like. It's like a bummer. For them to have moved to the bill like a application of it and understanding that Moore versus. If you're passionate about the application you can kind you can kind of do both but then I notice myself like the more that I'm focused on the application of my work which is kind of the field of fashion and like like I'm reading all sorts of books about fashion Shen and the production line. And what like like all types of stuff on that side and sort of like grown impatient with learning about new methods Athens. Not that I don't care about them but I'm just sort of like okay. Give me what I need to know. Good enough or you know what I mean like I I feel like the real. It'll impact I can have is like is like pushing the one standard deviation so the left on the curb of application not one standard deviation aviation to the left on the methods and I wish I wish Like maybe you need both people especially mature company but I just wish there were more more people. And maybe they're just not at conferences or whatever but like I just wish that there were more people on that first application and like passionate about that Saturday the ish right that curve. Yeah if we go into the second law invitation he basically tells the story of like a model for storytelling. I guess so he talks about Kurt vonnegut and how he broke down stories until like I think it was at five or six six like kind of patterns right. Yeah so he has like the actually. I had heard of this before but I I can't remember but how he is like A. He's always like kind of schematics. Where like the X.? Axis is like the timeline of the story. And then the Y axis is if it's positive it's good fortune and if it's negative ill fortune and this is kind of like the time line of like the protagonist of the main character and it kind of goes up and down throughout the story and it's like six different patterns in which the I can go up and down and add to worse yes it fitted either like it's just like incidentally bad exactly got that one's sounds good. Yeah it's like it isn't even like even even he just sat Kafka like he's trying to generalize. It's like it's like a one. There's only what person did that. Anyway yeah the Cinderella. 'cause it's like every Disney movie where you kind of you start awfully awfully poor and then you meet the Prince but then he liked dump shoe and then eventually he comes back or whatever like will you live happily ever after. Yeah exactly yes I guess. Cinderella would have been a better example. You're like the step child that everyone. Hey and then you go to the party meet him and then you have to run away. He tries to find you and then he finds you. Yeah.
"91" Discussed on Not So Standard Deviations
"Welcome to not so standard deviations this episode ninety one and I'm Roger Paying from the Johns Hopkins Data Science Lab and I'm here with Hillary Parker stitch fix in this episode. We're talking about the book the creative curve by Alan Gannett and how it might apply to data science and data analysis. Oh we hope you enjoy our discussion. Sell the creative curve. Yes right so we're discussing the creative curve by Alan Dinette. Get Yeah Yeah and I think I mentioned this was a true Amazon machine. Learning success success in that sort of clicking around books about creativity and design and this one came up and it was compelling enough kind of right up thet I decided to buy it and I'm very glad I did. Yes so that's how I came across the book because you told me so. That's a different kind of algorithm oppose. Yeah well but it's the same. That's the behavior. It's modeling if you if you read this and it's it's that's a model that's truly based on you know expert collective collective action although sometimes actually. It's kind of funny because One time I I was talking to Hadley Wickham about presentations. And he suggested lasted a couple books on presentations and so I went to buy them and then the suggested book was our data science okay. Because presumably he'd like suggested this book so often so sometimes they're odd behaviors. Come out because those things they have very little to do with each other so we still have to validate your algorithm. So okay you mean by reviewing this exactly right. Yeah well since you are counted this book I do. You want to maybe talk a little bit about why you do or do not like it and I'll give maybe just overall impressions and I'll get mine too. Yeah sure so I mean. I'll give like a brief my understanding or kind of my summary of the book. which is that? It's essentially. It's by someone who I believe. He's like in marketing or something like that. He gives his spiel about how. He's like a data nerd. Who which I kinda hate that phrase as but that's sort of how he phrases it but it sounds like he's just interested he was? He was someone who is very methodological. Talk about the thing he was doing so like he talks about doing game shows and studying the other participants and figuring out like AAC not just trying to be this person but figuring out that like the personality matters or whatever so he's just someone who approaches the world in a very behave behavioral realistic scientific type way and so he points this sort of apparatus at creativity and sort of like in the realm of art art and marketing and all of these different things and so like you know Kinda the subtitles how to develop the right idea at the right time and I view this as like a very practical we'll analysis of what we actually mean by creativity such as like there's creativity in some ways as defined by the audience so you you can't act like it's in a vacuum and so kind of like how to have good ideas and how to get those ideas accepted by an audience and then kind of analyzing the behavior of of people who are deemed like good creatives in order to find themes so that he essentially lays out like Kinda here the steps to take. If you want to cultivate vate your creative craft within a certain field and I just found it to be so pragmatic in lots of good paradigm. Seems like when I was reviewing the book for this podcast. There are so many things where I was like. Oh Yeah I actually think about that all the time now like I've completely that's like a catch freeze in my head when I'm doing work And so yeah it was really different than some of the design thinking stuff because the design thinking stuff. It was a really good way of articulating. The work in a new way that really made sense and this is more of a practical guide for how to do the work a little bit less designee although not yeah a little bit less designee in the it's not about like Like I think it can be about art. You know so like something. That isn't necessarily practical. But you can. I mean I think that's one of the big thing like designs like applied applied art or something like practical art so that was sort of my take away and why I wanted us to read it. I think there's a huge amount on a practical advice. For Data Science data science product development analysis writing et CETERA. So so that's my spiel chairs so just very quickly. The so the author is he says he's the CEO of track maven which is a marketing data and intelligence service. Thank it's like he's like in marketing. Analytics I guess so. I enjoyed reading the book. I especially appreciated the I. I think it's called it. Basically it's part one of the book where he talks about. Basically at part one is basically myth bussing talking about like the creative genius and how we we kind of think of it in our minds and house actually this other thing and in particular that's like there is a there's two parts that are critical one. Is that the thing that that the person does the output right and then there's like the world in which it sits and how critically essential I think essentially that's what this book is about like if you put workplace an idea in the in the in the world at the wrong time or the wrong place or whatever like that has a very different result than putting it at the right time at the right place or whatever so yeah Even the same idea right so I appreciated that kind of like decomposition of like you know the way we think of genius the way we think of creative people depends critically on the kind of population level or kind of context that we are currently experiencing. Yeah like an example of that would just be if you took. I don't know like some modern form of music like rap and you put it in front of seventeenth century people. Even though I consider you know many songs to be creative genius level symes. It's like it'd be completely incomprehensible. Back man exactly. Yeah I mean if you just look at Kendrick. Lamar won the surprise right That wouldn't have happened uh-huh before and it didn't happen before so it's just you know so it's kind of like in retrospect seem obvious. But it's like it's very insightful Yeah I like the not to just interrupt your spiel a bunch. But I think that's a really good way of putting et. A lot of this book was like. Oh yeah that makes sense like it wasn't like oh that's totally mind mind-blowing new idea but he just broken down and like you know presented studies and just laid it out in such a practical way. That articulated eh ferry. I feel like I remember it. All and actionable. Yeah well I I think in some sense. That's the application of his theory. which is that like if you want to produce something that people will enjoy like? It has to be recognizable in some way right and so I think part of the experience of being like. Oh yeah this all makes sense is why maybe I don't I don't really know how popular does I assumed books popular popular. That would be one of the reasons because when people read it it makes sense to them kind of jobs with them right so yeah and so but if I were extremely foreign and kind of didn't make sense even after you read it the success of that would be different right absolutely so now I I think I may disagree with you a little bit on the practical practical implications of the book gone but only in part right so I think in part two of the book called has like these four laws of the creative curve. Some of that was useful but some I think you know the first three. I thought were quite interesting. The the last one was interational law firm. I didn't get it all. I didn't really understand instead. You'll have to explain that to me. That's funny yeah. Maybe let's introduce let's I I do want to define the creative curve serve Because essentially the that idea I found to be really helpful framing and the idea when he talks about the creative curve. What he really means is is that you sort of trends? Follow this general like essentially gallic a bell curve at Gauss Sian Distribution Picture that he draws the book is literally like Calcium. Kerr exactly yeah. He even like says percentages sometime. That are very clearly one standard deviation but the idea of says sorta you can think of the peak of the curve is when an idea is like he calls it the point of Cliche so I think about this and clothing trends for sure where so you know you have some sort of trend come in on the runways and only the sort of Fashiony stas fashion forward people sort of comprehend it. I think the average person you show runway look at those and then that idea is sorta gets like as you see fashion uses wearing. It feels more approachable able to people and then you hit the point a cliche where most people recognize that are cool with it then and then you start taper off like the going down. The bell curve is like it gets kind of passe and then you become over exposed to it and then you're like okay. I'm done with this. And so yeah and like and like the sweet spot but he talks about is sort of at like one standard deviation above where you like. You're one of the people who has the idea. Yeah that's starting to feel approachable. It still feels fresh so just just to be clear. So if you're looking at like a bell curve what you're talking about is one standard deviation to the left of the you mean yeah so and I just and also just the the x axis is kind of like time or familiarity with an idea and why ax is is preference right so at the peak of the of the curve. It's like people are really really want they. They really prefer the idea. And they're kind of pretty familiar with it. But then as familiarity increases even further actually less yeah and he talks about about like studies with songs where it's like you end up many. I hear a song frequently. It's sort of like okay interesting and then you start to love it And then eventually you are like okay. I hate this song now. Heard it a million times and they did studies undergrads where they play the same song to them a bunch or or something like they made up Chinese characters and show them to people and you had to see it a certain number of times before you kind of had a more positive emotional reaction to it So you can also think I've thought about this before you can also think of the creative curve as like a population density. Where like if if an idea if you take any like I dunno cliche idea like he also talks about in terms of the distribution of the population? That likes well now. That doesn't actually work. Does it but you can think about it as like where. If if there's an idea where do you fall on the curve and unlike if you're one standard deviation to the right of the mean you're kind of a laggard rate. It's like jumping on ragging later when everyone else's sort of over it or for your at the beginning I guess it's like yeah at what point in a trend if you take one trend over time and the Y.. Axis the X axis says like. When did you adopt it? You can think of yourself on the curve. It'll be distribution across the population of people. Exactly the curve. Either one person's journey overtime or you can think of the curve is like a cross section of like when people kind of Ca- pat catch onto the idea or something like that exactly. Yeah so like I mean and that one's obvious because I think everyone would know like do you jump on tech the moment it comes out or not wait until it's like adopted right.
"91" Discussed on Movie Crush
"Everybody welcome to movie crush the mini crush Monday edition with me. Your host Charles W Chuck Bryant and our Co host co host knoll Blount Noah Brown and Co host with the mole host went two year old. All of his. It happens man. It's still kind of early. Yeah it's ten fifteen. You still classify that as being morning time. Could you imagine if we did a show where we stopped in corrected although stupid flubs now to make like a perfect professional show that I it wouldn't be. It wouldn't be what it is. It wouldn't be the the mini crush People people demand people demand authenticity from us. Chocolate can't go and and slice and dice. You know Lord I miss speak a lot all. We made that decision very early on stuff. You should always important just to kind of make conversations possible if we if we meant something we'll just restated. Yeah every once in a while. If we've really fucked something up we might do a retake. Oh same yeah. It's pretty much. Just roll tape shape and there's different different flavors of that for sure with With ridiculous history with me and then we do these very short shows that have lots of Info and a lot. A lot of it is pretty important to kind of get right and can move onto the next thing. We'd little tighter we do. Stop and start a decent amount but The with this kind of show. It's much more of a fluid. Organic organic orgasmic. Dare I say conversation between two bearded burly dude's BNB's And that's us so this week. We decided meaning me. Yeah 'cause you just show up I show up and that's the only thing you have to. Ah Show up and run your mouth. Yeah I gotta put in the work. I can come all these bits and segments. Get that work so quick. Quick quick quick quick quick thing Davy digs friend of the show. Yeah guest of the show recently discovered he has a phenomenal experimental hip hop group called clipping. Yeah just WANNA plug their new records records called There exist did a thirst for blood or something like that. Yeah so everyone w digs you heard on the he was a guest on the show He was obviously rose. Shot out of a cannon to fame in the an a little musical called Hamilton But he's a really good guy he was on movie crush. And if you were going to plug clipping we should also plug Bullseye with Jesse. Thorn Our good friend and colleague Max Fun because he is one of the great interviewers of our generation. That's where I heard about clipping was feeds interview on Bullseye. Yeah so dwindles winnable Zion he Afterward told Jessie or maybe he was even on. The air said that that was the best like one of the best interviews that he had ever had. It was phenomenal. Yeah and the clipping the record by the way is on sub pop and it's called. There existed an addiction to blood People are Kinda classifying. It as horror. Rap is great really great. Really Cool. TRIPPY Production like the they use the sound of ball bearings and static. It's very very cool and really good Good flow very the whole deal has never refers to himself in the first person Jason. It's always like from third person perspective and like a character kind of that. He's playing on so then. None of that like self-aggrandizing kind of hip hop swagger. It's much more. Yeah it's really really cool. But no hundred percent Jesse Thorn interview I heard it and he talked about clipping. I didn't know anything about it and I went and found it and have been a big fan of her sense. Well Jesse is is A student of hip hop really knows his stuff and I Sort of you know. Eighty seven to ninety seven. Kevin was my hip hop years. Don't know much beyond that except for like outcast in a little bit of the Atlanta Seen Goodie mob But otherwise eighty seven to ninety. Seven was my my jam and I've been listening to that stuff again lately. I don't know why. been listening to a tribe called quest and the jungle brothers and Handsome boy modeling school in De la soul in all the stuff I used to love and I played it in the car the other day for my daughter and I was like wait a minute. She's never heard hip hop before like any to explain what's going on here. Because she's like Daddy. What is this and I said? Well this is called hip hop or rap and had to explain to her The origins ends of it and the difference between that unlike regular pop music and like in terms that she can get like you know what singing is like. This is a little different here the distinction and she did and she understood it and she thought it was cool. It is cool. It's fun that a lot of that eighty stuff to a super. Yeah Bouncy and fun Yeah Jazzy. Beats Stuffy St Boys is Super Fun too. Yeah Boutique and all that stuff. It's really great back in the days when I was a teenager right before I had status in before I had a pager. She was like what's a pager. Don't even give started man. I still remember a lot of that stuff. I find myself like impressing myself with my my memory of those lyrics. I know everywhere to ice ice baby. That's where that's my thought is. It's my street cred all right. Stop no you didn't that was your cue collaborating. Listen Isis back with a brand new evidence on the gun to hold me tightly focused Harpoon daily and nightly. We'll never stop you know. Turn off the lights and I go to the extreme market Mike Levin delight at the stage and waxed jump jump like a candle. I like big butts and again that lie about other brothers kid tonight. I used to know all that to uh-huh Seattle's own mix lot indeed that's right Seattle Guy Pacific northwest. And I'm and that's well. I mean not Seattle but like W is is Oakland Yeah. Yeah Well Jesse is from the San Francisco. That's right. Yeah they were they were on that for sure. Yeah great interview definitely check that one out as well old old school hip hop where those movies I wanNA see I WanNa see the tribe called Quest Story. I guess they did the That was good I thought it was good movie Eh. We're actually working with the production. They made that movie on some cool music. PODCASTS TV NBD interesting. I keep an eye on that. I asked Jay Brennan last night When we are in conversation Jake Brennan from Graceland on his new book disgrace? Land in a Adam at the end. What movie biopic Nick Rock and roll biopic that he would most like to see and he said I think he said led Zeppelin would be one that he'd like to see I'd be cool and has starship the private jet. You know a bunch of people had that plane I was yeah. Very plane was Elton John had asked her out after led. Zeppelin did not know that. Yeah because it was all set up already had the bar in the couches right so when led Zeppelin on their dislike. Let's paint the outside Elton John's colors and throw throw a bunch of cocaine on the. Yeah the bar was a mirror. Of course that should tell you does. Yeah there's a pia no right in this fucking plane that's great What movie would you most like to see I? I'm with Jake on led Zeppelin because so much like devil worship and weird which he stuff wrapped up in that I know there's the Bowie bio-pic coming up but that almost bums me out I don't WanNa see that for some reasons already did Velvet Goldmine. which wasn't it wasn't Boeing? Like that better Alexander was enough it's a Bowie esque figure with an iggy pop esque yeah year and then Bryan Ferry esque figure. It wasn't lit the Guy Right there. Bioethics picks excuse me out in general really. Yeah I'm not a fan. I like them. Yeah Yeah. Did you see rocket man. Couple Times it was a great. I like it looked looked fine. It looked like are like a real romp musical. Yeah it's not It's not that's cool. It's full on musical. I'M GONNA check it out. I liked it and I'm going to see Elton John Again Saturday oh here in town. goal isn't the goodbye for real this time yellow brick road tour. It's the same one. It's a three year tour. Got It He's like you know I'm going to retire because I want to be with my children so I'm going to do from you. Know seven hundred shows over the next three shorts which is great us. It is great and I just finished his memoir which came out a week ago and I read it in like five days cool. It's really good. He's he's very funny he was just on me was fresh air. Fresh Air He had. It's a really interesting things to say about like The AIDS epidemic where he sort of missed it because he did so much cocaine that he had had trouble performing and he became more of a voyeur and like watching others and so he kind of didn't he he feels like cocaine both almost killed him and somehow how saved his life he talks about sex and sexuality in his book he He got a very late. Start On on that kind of stuff stuff and he was in his twenty s and then he he did talk about the fact. That sort of during the heyday and I think just as a person was more into who To Watch people have sex right actually getting involved absolutely. He talked about that with Terry. Gross which was an interesting concept Hey Friends I wanNA talk to you about Tyson. Air Fried Chicken you know. I Love Fried Chicken and Tyson. Air Fried Chicken is the lightest fried right chicken that they've ever made comes imperfectly..
"91" Discussed on The Next Right Thing
"Not asking and he smiles before or he says this line that i never forget your in the abc's immediately. Two things happen number one. I know he's right and number two you. I don't wanna be here in the abc's. I want to be in the middle of the paragraph in the middle of the book where i know the title and the subtitle and the back cover copy be in that moment. I realized how desperately i want my life to be written in ink filled out formed and finished. What in the world it's next p._s. If you wanna know more about that season of our life in two thousand thirteen when we had way more vocational questions than we had answers check out chapter five of my book the next right thing or listen to episode twenty four of this podcast back in the shuttle i listen as mark begins to tell his story and he says how he's been at the same church for seventeen years and he hopes to stay there till he retires. This is a foreign language to me up to this point. We have never felt this way about. Church bought a home or job here in the seat of an airport shuttle title next to melissa and our new friend mark patterson a realize maybe for the first time that i want to feel about our life and our work and our home the way a mark fields about his life and work and church in dc. I want to be so committed to a local church and a job in a home that i could say with confidence. I could stay here forever that ride from the airport to the hotel with markelle melissa. I was six years ago and while i still have questions here are a few things i know for sure. I know that being confident about what you want does not guarantee. You'll get it any more than being unsure. You're guarantees you won't. I know that it's possible to be rooted even if were in motion just as it's possible to be scattered even if we're saying among place i know that having doubts and questions about what you want to do and where you want to live does not mean you don't have a home. I know that finding where we belong is not a one time decision and uncovering. Your calling is a slow important work last week. I sat on the porch of our cul de sac home where we've lived for over ten years reading a book called place maker by christie purify the book that inspired the title of this episode in her book christie writes. These words avenue lined. She says home is never a threshold. You cross it's a place you make an a place that might make or unmake you what i longed for in that airport shuttle was surely rudeness and a promise that i had found my place. What i've discovered am still discovering discovering in the six years since is it even though it goes against everything we've learned about plants. Roots are something we can take with us. Wherever we go home isn't something we have to wait for. Home is a place we can make. I've been paying attention to how this can look in my actual life. It might sound unimportant important but when i'm feeling small scattered or disconnected i found place making to be a grounding practice. I'm paying attention to my everyday spaces like the place where i type on my computer and my house like the closet where i record this podcast like the second drawer in the bathroom where i keep my makeup for ten years. Our back bedroom has been a guest room and half of that time it's doubled as my office but guests don't stay with us very very often and i realized i was squeezing into the corner of the room with a too small desk that i used every single day in order to make space for guest room bed that was <unk> used twice a year so we took out that bed and we made a place for my work in that guestroom. I turned it into an office because i decided to take a second second. Look and be honest about what was really going on here. In what was the place. I really needed to make for two years. I recorded this podcast in in a tiny closet and it's worked just fine and honestly the acoustics are pretty good and some of you have seen it even but i took a second look and i realized that the book shelves in there. They were crammed into the corner. We weren't really using them and the walls and there could handle some soundproofing after a few orders on amazon and a few days of work doc john and i made a place for the recording of this podcast is in the same place it was in before but now it has more of a purpose it's not fancy and it certainly not expensive have but making that space in the guest room and in the podcast closet felt like a declaration. This work is important. You're in in this for the long haul. That's not to say we'll be here forever. It is to say we're here for now so let's make a place for the work were called to do. I've been paying attention to more than just workspaces. I've made a place in my bathroom drawer for the things i use every day. I i know that might sound crazy to those of you who are super organized naturally the for me. This was kind of a big deal. We created space in a corner of our kitchen for coffee tea the and are black and white mugs because we use the space every day and it deserves to be organized and accessible. We've made space in our sunroom for real plants to grow in pots every saturday carry. These plans outside including other plants from around the house. I gather them altogether and water them all at once. When my daughters saw them all together the other day she said wow. It looks like a greenhouse spread out all over the house. They aren't as impressive as they are gathered together but each one has a job to do in helping to make a place for us again. I know it might seem small to move a bed out of a room to clean out the bathroom door together at the plants to water on a saturday morning <music> but each of these small actions have been for me away of making a place for peace for belonging for home. I was grateful for the planter. I found on sale and the fern that lived inside. I was thankful for the bright yellow flowers still sitting in his generic plastic pot. I i was thankful for the ten dollar goodwill chair found and adorned with the late summer sale cushion as i sat there the gift of place making rose up to meet me because long ago in the backseat of austin airport shuttle i longed for the rudeness i heard in mark's voice the shirty the face set like a flint in the direction at the home of a people and of place and now i see how the answer to that longing from six years ago is all around me now it. It didn't come swiftly and it didn't come all at once. It's true there are some things i'm still waiting for but it's important to notice and to name what's here her what has come and how grateful. I am at one point in her book. Christie describes in detail about the work she and her husband jonathan. Jonathan put into their chicago apartment years ago. She writes in a lot of detail about the subway tile and the porcelain sink in the bathroom. She writes about the etched glass mirror error the shiny chrome faucet and she writes about her friend laura who was often a guest in that chicago apartment years later after they moved away. She asked laura what she she remembered about the apartment and surprisingly her friend laura didn't mention anything about tile or tubs were shining chrome faucets instead laura remembers how oh kristie would light a candle when the sun went down how she always had cloth napkins clean and ready for use how she poured maple syrup into a glass jar before putting it on the table all of these things surprise kristie you embodied.
"91" Discussed on Back To Back
"This is back that. What everybody this is Willie. Joy, welcome to the show. This is back to back. This is my podcast. You are listening to it. And I hope you doing well out there. From people in the midwest. I mean, I hope you're alive, and I hope you stayed warm. It sounded like it got pretty crazy out there last week. My parents are out in Minnesota. They actually decided to move their vacation up a few days just to avoid this not a bad call. But for everybody who couldn't get out of there. I feel for you. That's my roots. That's where I come from. But right now, I'm out here in California. I'm not gonna lie. It's it's pretty nice. But I'm really excited about today's episode. This first on the show the first time we've had a returning guest, and it couldn't be more appropriate. Floss Dom returns to the show today and floss was one of the first people I recorded with when I first started doing this show, you know, almost two years ago now and the way this came about was actually really cool Surat. Oh, help bring us together we recorded this we filmed it actually in the Surata stew. Video in LA, and this is actually available on YouTube too. So if you wanna go check this out watch us on video look for the YouTube Surat channel, it's called Surata HQ. You can see the whole episode there. And I'm gonna linked to that in the description of this episode if you know you'd like to stare at our beautiful phases for an hour. You need a little video in your life. Surata has got you covered. Shoutout to Sorrento for bringing us together. This was really fun floss. And I go way back we share a lot of history have a lot of stories together. I'm going to tell you all about it in just a minute before. I do as always I just wanna make sure that everybody is subscribed to this show. Go ahead and click the subscribe button on whatever platform, you're using the listen if you're on soundcloud, just hit the follow. And if you're a new listener, a new subscriber, I love meeting, everyone who checks out the show. So I hope you know, you can always hit me up back to back pod. G mail dot com. Is the Email address or you can hit me at Willie joy? Or at back-back pod on all social media. I also make a playlist on Spotify for this show. It's called the back to bangers playlist the link to that is in the description of this episode is well, and you can go there every single week..