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"I've never felt better in my life and I'm 81 years old" - meet Jack Tierney
"Diabetes connections is brought to you. By dario health manager blood glucose levels increase your possibilities by typo pen. The first pre mixed auto injector for very low blood sugar and by dex com. Take control of your diabetes and live life to the fullest with decks com. This is diabetes connections with stacey simms. This week jack turney is eighty one years old. I was diagnosed with diabetes. More than sixty years ago he had classic symptoms but remember as being shocked to hear the news and he told me. I was a diabetic and i said to him. What's that i had never heard the word or knew nothing about it. And he told me what it was. Generally speaking. And i'm convinced that the doctor probably did not know the difference between type one and type two because this was january of nineteen sixty. Jack was misdiagnosed with type two for almost two years. He shares the story of finally getting the right diagnosis living. Well with t. one deep before home. Blood sugar meters fast-acting acting insulin's and why he just last year switched to a pump. Eighty intel me. Something good for it was great to get back out to an actual in-person diabetes conference. Shout out not just a friend's for life but to my local charlotte community as well. This podcast is not intended as medical advice. If you have those kinds of questions please contact your healthcare provider. Welcome to another week of the show. Glad to have you here. We aim to educate and inspire about diabetes with a focus on people who use insulin. My son. Benny was diagnosed. Fourteen and a half years ago just before he turned to my husband lives with type two diabetes. I have diabetes. But i have a background in broadcasting. And that is how you get the podcast. I got an email a couple of weeks ago. From jack tierney who you'll hear from today and he said check out the twelve minute youtube video that my son and l. a. Filmmaker has created for me. It's called an eighty one year olds sixty two year journey with type one diabetes. Well that got my attention. I've talked to quite a few people over the years who have lived a very long time with type one. It really is incredible to think about how they made it work without the things that we consider now like the very very basics right home blood sugar meters and see test. Fast acting insulin's jack and his son. Jamie have a great story. And i will link up that video. That started all of this. In the show notes you can always go to diabetes. Dash connections dot com. If you're listening to podcast player like apple or spotify or pandora sometimes the show notes a little funky in the link stonework just head over to the episode homepage and it also has a transcription if you follow me on social you know that. I went to the friends for life conference recently. The first in person conference for me since march of twenty twenty. I'm going to talk about that after the interview. I wanted to say a quick welcome to anybody knew who is listening. Who found me there who i met at that conference. There were so many new people it was great to be able to say hi and have some hugs in. Meet your kids. So i'll talk about that a little bit. And i'll get to jack story in just a moment but first diabetes connections is brought to you by dario health and we. I noticed dario a couple of years ago at conference and benny thought being able to turn your smartphone into a meter was pretty amazing. I'm excited to tell you that dario offers even more now. The dario diabetes success plan. Gives you all the supplies and support. You need to succeed. You'll get a commodore that fits in your pocket unlimited test strips and lance. It's delivered to your mobile app with a complete view of your data. The plan is tailored for you with coaching wedding. How you need it and personalized reports based on your activity find out more go to my dario dot com forward slash diabetes dash connections. Jack jamie thank you so much for joining me. I am so interested to hear this story. Thanks for making time for me today. Oh you're welcome. We will hear jack story. And i can't wait to hear you in your own words. But jimmy let me just start with you. What made you create that video. My dad said he was working on scripts about his thoughts on diabetes and living with it for over sixty years he wrote a number of different stories about it And wanted to record that on camera and so we started doing that. And we have all seven eight eight tapes. I believe What what. I was most interested in his personal story. His life story because when once we got started there was a lot of things that i didn't know about his story about the diabetes general. So that's what got me interested in. And i wanted to follow work with with his doctor and with his brother to get multiple sides and also my mom to her side of it. It's one of those things that started off as one thing changed a little bit. All right so jack you have lived sixty two years with type one. Can you talk about your diagnosis because not too surprisingly. You weren't diagnosed correctly right away right. Yeah in the first tape. That i did with jamie. I did talk about what happened with me. I actually came down with type one in one thousand nine hundred fifty nine at the time. My mother was only forty three. Had a brain tumor and I was under a lot of stress. And i was attending college in fact when i was home with her after she had had had a tumor removed. I did get the flu. Like so many type. Ones it just exacerbated or caused type one diabetes sp. Because i i wait a hundred. I'm six foot four at the time away. Hundred and fifty pounds. I was down to one. Twenty five and peeing incessantly like everyone who gets type one does and so i- returned to college. What happened was i was just The rating so fast. I was in a small town in indiana attended college. So i went to the local General practitioner indeed did some tests and told me my blood sugar was over five hundred the needed to be eighty two one twenty and he told me i was a Diabetic said him. What's that i had never heard the word or knew nothing about it. He told me what it was generally speaking. And i'm convinced that the doctor probably did not know the difference between type one and type two because this was january of nineteen sixty and he was a general practitioner in a very small town but what he did do was consult with the dietitian that the college i was attending and he treated me. I now know pretty much like a type two diabetic because he put me on it thousand calorie diet here. I am weighing one twenty five in surviving on any. Give me a pill. I believe it was called diovan. Ace i really survived that way for about eighteen months just living on a thousand calorie diet and and i was in a really rigorous academic programs too but then as my brother indicates on the Video i came home and he was really worried about me. And luckily i had transferred to the university of dayton and i was I got in touch with a wonderful doctor. Who put me on insulin. Shots and that made all the difference in the world You know i did get back to weighing about one fifty in about six months and you know took the taking shots In fact what. I on the video. When i add it all up i've given myself probably forty two thousand shots over the years by the way Preparing to do the tapes. Jamie because whenever jamie does film project he does extensive background for it. And he gave me a book title breakthrough about the discovery of insulin by dr frederick banning and impact when i. I'm going to start to cry. Because i read that book into weekdays because it just reminded me of how many kids tight before dr banning who's the one of the greatest human beings that ever lived discovered and it just it just brought back so much to me reading that book but Man was the absolute saint for all the yet. I'm sorry for crying. But every time. I think that man i just think all of us were type series. Turnley creek pulling him. Practice gotta have hires place in heaven. It is incredible. You know as remarking one hundred years of the discovery of insulin to think that someone such as yourself was diagnosed at a time really not that long after at a time when many doctors and they still mess this up but you didn't know the differences between the types. I'm curious i've heard other. People talk about being diagnosed in the forties and fifties by medical professionals who kind of gave them really dire. Diagnosis or dire outcomes are would say you know. You're not gonna live that long were you. I hear the emotion in your voice we were. You told things like that back then no you know. That's that's very interesting because i remember Okay for example. One of the doctors that i know just casually here in san diego. Dr steve cattleman And he to Is a type one diabetic. And i remember in the paper he had written. He mentioned the fact that he was told that he would live. No more than fifteen years and he was diagnosed as a Young adolescent so. I know that many people who were afflicted with type one We're told For example One of my doctors put me in touch with a two or three other type. One diabetics here in san diego who've had it for sixty years and one of the women that i talked to. She's now seventy and she was diagnosed at age thirteen and again. The doctors told her that she would live. No more than fifteen years. She's how did you then go forward. I mean it sounds like you kind of alluded to you know. Did the shots. It wasn't that difficult again the weight back but this was at a time before blood sugar meters. This was at a time where i assume if you were checking. It wasn't very accurate. What were you doing right back to jack answering that question. But first diabetes connections is brought to you by gio copan and our endo always told us if you use insulin you need to have emergency. Glue gun on hand as well low blood. Sugars are one thing. We're usually able to treat those with fast acting glucose tabs or juice but a very low blood. Sugar can be very frightening. Which is i am so glad. There's a different option for emergency. Luca gone it's jeeva typo pen. Gop is pre mixed and ready to go with no visible needle. You pull off the red cap and pushed a yellow end unto bare skin and hold it for five seconds. That's it find out more. Diabetes dash connections dot com and click on the g. Volk logo chievo shouldn't be used in patients with chromosome saito or insulin oma visit devote croissant dot com slash risk. Now back to jack answering my question about how he stay healthy well. I'll tell you one of the tapes that i did with jamie was on exercise. I quickly realized how important exercise was. I just felt intuitively that i would utilize insulin more effectively by exercise. And so as i mentioned on the tape one day when i was twenty three years old i played fifty holes of golf carrying my own bag and i used to routinely play basketball. 'cause i'm six foot for three to four hours sometimes even five or six at a time. If i had the opportunity away from my academic studies so i just found that exercise was so important. And you know. I've been somewhat of an exercise buff all my life. In fact one reason why. I contacted you and diabetics connections because on a news. Release here in san diego. I saw where Eric dozer was running. Eight different marathons on every continent in the us over a short period of time. Yeah and he's a type one diabetic so in fact On one of the tapes. I say whenever. I get wind of people like eric. I really follow their story because it's motivational to me to maintain the exercise level that i like to let me jump over to jamie for a minute. As you're hearing your dad talk about you know playing fifty golf and basketball growing up. was he. super active was this family thing. Did he make you all get involved. Resist his thing. I've been playing data before it can remember. Tom spent two years old. And you know. I was thinking. Us open was finishing yesterday and he used to wake up at three in the morning and drive down there and get a place in line to go play and then then come home and wake me up and take me back there and then we play golf and he come back and do yard work stuff like that so growing up. I never thought of them as any different than anybody. Else's down probably more probably more active than most other. They knew the war was diabetes. Kind of in the background. Then do you remember as a kid or you know as a young adult at all. I'm trying to envision what it would be like because now with insulin pumps gyms we see it more. But i'm curious jamie from your perspective what it was like to grow up with a dad type line. Well i'd always see through the shot. Can you know. I don't remember what those were about that. I just remembered. I was near what it was. We had to take medicine how to do it every single day and had to do with with the needle which is fun for anybody. I remember a few times. You know when we we'd be out playing golf especially if you're hot that he bring like a candy bar with him and casey would start feeling a little woozy. He would you know he would. He would eat something to to kinda revive himself from. There was a couple of times. Remember when it got a little bit scarier than that where you need to know. He needs to get back to the clubhouse quickly to get back to normal so i was always aware of that but again you know i didn't really know that much about the disease itself and how it works other than she's ever looking a little bit off it he needs to get some. Some curve. can. Quickly jack i would imagine. I'm just thinking from my own experience as a parent and has a daughter are. Our parents generally don't want us taking care of them and we don't want our kids taking care of us when we come here but type. One diabetes is kind of there. Were you consciously trying to think okay. I don't want jamie to have this responsibility. i've got this. Did that kind of stuff. Go through your mind. No you know. I just felt you know. It's an addiction Everybody has ailments and the fictions and you know once i Realize how valuable and important for my health Taking shots were it just became second nature to me and i just felt so much better but i just told my wife last night since i've been on the t. Slim mix to in the last eight months. I've never felt better in my life. And i'm eighty one years old so i just Am seeing the value of the pump. You know and like doctrine mccollum says on the tape. He was a little surprised that i would take to it. But you know i always I respect him so much. he just told me that. This t- slim is really something. And i'm just so thankful i took the leap Eight months ago. And did it. Because i feel Tremendous having done i. I do feel better now than i'm on the pump than i ever did. Just taking shots. What led to do this. It was was it. A conversation with your enter chronology. Yes and just also He told me that this Pump was exceptional in his point of view. In fact stacey. I'll say this to you. I just Hence long story. But i did talk with dr aaron kowalski today the president of a j. d. r. l. in new york and he told me he's using the tea slams the tandem. He's next to also. So that made me feel really good. That maybe this is definitely It just reinforced by decision. As being very good one. Well worrying about this from dr kowalski. Well i'm no doctor wolski but we chose it to and i gotta tell you i absolutely love it for my son. It's just the software It's great so you're already using decks come see gm because if you're listening to not familiar. Tandem system works with the decks com. Are you using that together and had you been using a c. gm for a while. yes it back. That's a funny story. You're gonna love story. What happened was about three years ago. I went to see dr mccallum. And i wanted to get on. A continuous glucose monitor because You know i've seen it advertised in just sounded like the cats me out so i'm waiting to see him. And there's a young man waiting to see another endocrinologist. And he says dr tierney. And i said what and what it was. It was a gentleman a young man. Whose first name is brandon and i saw brandon when he was nine years old to help him get ready for a test to get into a highly academic Private school here. In san diego and He at the time. He told me he was type one diabetic and so what happened was he was using the lebron and went over all of the advantages of the lebron before i saw dr mccallum so i walked in dr mccallum's office and i said well dr macapa my think i've made a decision on the continuous glucose monitor that i should be using because i one of my former students Told me the benefits up. Well so i went on the lebron. But then in fact that the time that i went on to leave from the decks com six wasn't available and so it just sounded like the best one for me at the time but then of course eight months ago When i made the decision to go on the t. slim They told me was worked in concert with the decks com six. And that's why. Of course i switched to that. And it's great to yeah. It's it's wonderful to have these choices. I was good all skew right. I was going to kind ask you to take us through the process of going from you know home. Blood sugar meter to kind of what it was like in the eighties. And then you know the different insulin's but you like rocketed ahead and now you're on a hybrid closed loop system so you've right. It's what built as i said you know. There was nothing available thinking back. I did a lot of research before i did. The eight th tapes. Jamie did and one of the things that i learned. And i've read a little bit about that because i read a lot about that diabetic compilations and control study. That was done in nineteen eighty s and early nineteen ninety-six with type ones. And you know in fact they abbreviated this study early because it showed that tight control of type one of your blood. Sugar is imperative. In fact i think. I i in my research for those tapes that i think it was called Dcc diabetic close. Stations control riles. Bcc and that thing. That thing i it was concluded early because it showed how important it was. And i think as a result of that the a one c was developed and also killed the look because before that i was using n. p. h. insulin from one thousand nine hundred sixty one the latter part of nineteen ninety s when him log became available and also. I got my first day. One onc- back in the nineteen nineties. Well because that wasn't available until you know after that monumental study the dc c that's when the a one c came about i believe and also more Synthetic insulin's like Human right and that helped me a lot getting on your analog. it really did. But i didn't get on that till about. I think nine hundred ninety eight one thousand nine hundred ninety nine. Thanks to dr mccallum. What does he say to you. It must be really interesting for him to talk to someone. I mean my guess is that you educate him about many many things as well. I'm curious it just sounds like he's really open minded and really a team player with you to to encourage someone who has not been on insulin. Pump was live with type one for more than sixty years and then to make that change. Do you feel like maybe you're educating him as well. Yeah i think it's mutual definitely in fact what happened was a jamie said to me and mid march. He said dad. I'd like the interview. Dr mcallen we've done the eight tapes. But like jamie said previously like the view dr mccallum so i called him and jamie had to come down here on another job to san diego from la and he wanted to do it on a friday afternoon. Well i called dr mccallum and he said. I can't do as it's just chaotic. Won't you guys come in saturday morning. I couldn't believe he invited us in saturday morning. We went over there. And so i said to him. Well can i sit in and listen because jamie interviewing for an hour and a half. And i resist taking in his responses to all the questions because you know a lot of what he presented. I had not heard before and so. It's just a very good education on my part to hear his responses to jamie's questions and also all along he's been very respective of my what i've learned. I'll give you one good example and this is good to know for every type one diabetic. Sure you've gotta pay attention to your endocrinologists that also you got to pay attention to your experience. I remember when i first got on insulin. Back in the early nineteen sixties that. I was obsessive compulsive about making sure it was refrigerated I mean i was though cd on it. I really was well. I'm reading a life magazine and had to be like one thousand nine hundred sixty three about a gentleman by name of franklin billy talbert and billy calvert was one of the greatest tennis players ever. He was diagnosed in nineteen twenty. Nine lived to be eighty years old. in fact. that's one reason why i made the tapes. I said well billy made it to eighty Maybe my time up. So i better do up to that. I've been contemplating doing for a while. But in that article back in the sixties. This is what billy said. I'm playing tennis all over the world. I can keep my insulin. Refrigerated all the time and so i wasn't as i. Can you know you kinda learn by experience what you can do in the like. I mean sure you take the advice of all of your doctors. But after that i wasn't obsessive compulsive about keeping my insulin refrigerated. When i learned what billy tell experienced was and that's what i found with dr mccallum. He really paid attention to my experiences with this chronic ailment. That's great jamie. Let me ask you you. you are filmmaker. What do you hope happens with this video. I could ask you why you made it. I kind of have you know. There's so many reasons why you would do something like this. But i'm curious you know. Why did you do it by that. Asked me to maybe not make exactly if a film like this. But i just think it's an interesting story. I mean when. I when i got into it i mean the thing that kinda hit me. The first thing that he survived for almost two years without insulin. Yeah i don't know how that happened to be honest. And i tried to do some research and good ask the doctor. How many people that ever made it put out long. I don't think there's too many have forget about. He's my dad. This is from a human interest perspective that someone could survive like that on a small amount of calories and no insulin with basically the pancreas now producing anymore insulin at all so that i feel like it's pretty interesting just the triumph of the human spirit i think and then having lived for you know sixty more years After that episode. And but then also interesting to me. It's just how he's gone through every single phase of treatment. I know the first two treatments were began in the twentieth. But it sounds to like in the sixties when he first started it was basically a similar treatment to the twenty so he's pretty much gone through every single medical advance and i just wonder again how many people are out. There were eighty one. Who are getting started on something technologically. They aren't right this palm and taken to it. I feel like there's an interesting story there too. I don't know how many people or or in his was boat without too. Can i pick back worse a little bit. I'm gonna tell something. I haven't told too many people as we said earlier. Jamie did fill eight scripts. Well everything led to script number eight and in script number eight. What happened was from nineteen ninety two to nineteen ninety five. I was asked to be superintendent of the schools in a school district. That was the worst in the state out of one thousand and when that three year period finished i believe and maybe i don't think off on this. It became the best school district in the state and jamie was getting his masters degree. Usc in screenwriting and he said to me dad. Someday you have to tell this story. And i thought that was commendable. On his part in fact he bought me a recorder and so for a whole year. Whenever is driving in my new assignment. Anywhere which involved a lot of teacher training i would record my thoughts and when i finished i record fifty five hours of material and i vowed to write three books and i have written those three books on my experience there and that is my ultimate reason for doing these tapes with jamie helping me because i want to get a little bit of personal notoriety out there in hopes that are reputable publisher will publish my three books. Because i think. I've got a story. In fact i told my wife and i just finished watching doubting abby because many of our friends thought it was so good. Well i said to myself after. I watched out naby. My three books are an american doubt unhappy. Because it's a story that in fact when i was contemplating doing when i started writing three books. A fellow superintendent friend of mine said jack tierney. He said you beat me to it. When i retired. I was going to write a michener. Like novel titled school districts because what really goes on behind the scenes in his school district has never been told and what goes on in a border town. The story of what really goes on board or town has not really been told yet. And that is my ultimate person poor person. I want these books Hopefully reputable publisher rather than my Working on self publishing and maybe even three movies be made. Because i think it has the potential for that and every month sent made will go to find a cure for type one diabetes. That's great well as we start to wrap this up. I'm curious to ask we this podcast here from a lot of adults who've been diagnosed with type one. I mean sure. There's a lot of children. This audience is really half-and-half. And i'm curious what would you say. What would you say to somebody who is sixty or fifty six years old. What would you talk about or tell somebody who's diagnosed as an adult. Well probably would say the same thing That i would say to Someone who's diagnosed like those Four young men. That i saw for sat trap. One of them was diagnosed at age three. The other two were Diagnosed at age seven and then brandon. Who i mentioned earlier. Nine they have the ability and the courage to take this Head on you know. It is a chronic ailment but with taking the advice of your endocrinologists and working at it. It is indeed Manage i'll tell you what one one of the or young men told me. When i met him for the first time we finished the session on sat prep and i knew in advance that he was type one diabetic diagnosed when he was seven and he was now sixteen and i said to him. I said well Probably In your lifetime There will be a cure and you know what he said to me. You're not going to believe what he said. See what did he say he said. I wouldn't take it because he had learned how to do and he had met this challenge and back when he said that to me. I said jamie knows. I've said this a lot. I think a lot of young people today. We don't have fixed rites of passage in society too much anymore where you did something notable and the whole community recognized you as a sparring adult so young people are picking their own ways to prove themselves the world and Their families that they can stand on their own two feet. So i think that's why that young man made because he had his rite of passage thrust upon him and he felt that he had successfully done it and so he didn't want taken away necessarily. Yeah anyhow let's my degree in philosophy. Come into the poor here on why he responded the way he did. I've heard my dad tell versions of his story my whole life but it's it's nice to have something that you can condense into eleven minutes and hopefully that people can get expensive or him but also just how you can thrive and have a great life amidst the challenge of a rift leave and says that you know. Hopefully this is treatment is great. Hopefully there is a third secure sunday and stories like heroin stories and quit. My dad went through can something that future has to deal with jackie so playing golf. Oh yeah all right so yeah. I don't play that well. But i love the play. And what's best of all. I love playing with jamie and his sister In fact every time we play a lot better than i am and they always give me a good tip and that helps me play a tad bit better. One of the neatest experiences As a father and fact The three of three of us always played on father's day. We don't now because emily's in cape cod being a doctor jamie's in la but whenever we did when they were in elementary school and high school it was While my fondest memories On father's day. Well thank you so much for sharing your story on jamie. And jack i really. I can't thank you on your best to your son. Your sixteen year old now just need He's doing so well. And what a champion. Here's thank you very much. That means so much. And i appreciate you both coming on to share your story and you know we're gonna learn so much from it. So thanks guys. i really appreciate it. You're listening to diabetes. Connections with stacey simms information about jack and jamie at diabetes dash dot com including the video with lots and lots of photos family photos. If you'd like to take a look at that really appreciate them coming on so much fun to hear that story and really reflect back. I love that he started using an insulin pump. Just last year. I have a friend who was diagnosed with type one in her late sixties and immediately went out and got the technology she wanted to see. Gm right away on hasn't started using an insulin pump yet. She may never and that's okay but just knowing that the option is there. I think it doesn't matter what age right. It's all about finding what works for you and if you're interested in learning more about people who have lived a long time with type one like i said at the very beginning of the show. I've talked to several people who've lived sixty or even seventy five years with type one. Richard von comes to mind but there are a couple of other people. Who've been on the show. Before and i'll i'll try to link that up in the show as and kind of make a little list if you'd like to go back if you're new to the show and want to hear more from these incredible pioneers in our community a little bit more about person connections and things like that but first diabetes connections is brought to you by decks calm and you know a couple of weeks ago. We were watching tv. And i got a decks calm alert. Benny was upstairs in his room. We were downstairs for some reason. It kind of took my brain back to the days when we basically had blood sugar checks on a timer we would check doing a finger stick the same time every day at home and at school. You know whatever extra we needed to as well. But it's amazing to think about how much our diabetes management has changed share and follow. I didn't have to stop the show to get up and check on him. I knew what was going on. I decide whether i wanted to text him or go upstairs and help them out. Using share and follow apps have really helped us talk less about diabetes. Which i never thought would happen with the teenager. Trust me he that part too. And that's what's so great about the decks com system. I think for the caregiver or the spouse or the friend you can help. The person with diabetes manage in the way that works for their individual situation. Internet connectivity is required to access decks. Come follow separate follow. F- required learn more go to diabetes dash connections dot com click on the decks com logo. So tell me something. Good is usually where. I share your good news. And hey send me your stuff. Stacey at diabetes dash connections dot com. Or i'll post in the facebook group diabetes connections the group I'd love to hear the good things that are going on for you this summer and as we head into august let me know what's going on but for me the tell me something good. This month was friends for life. I didn't even realize how much i needed that until i was there. If you're not familiar. And i know many of you are joining me because you met me at that conference but if you're not familiar it is the largest diabetes conference in the country this year. They made a joke. It's the largest one on the planet because it's like what are the only ones happening on earth this year. Usually it's almost three thousand people meeting up in walt disney world at the convention center there. It's gosh it's so hot in july but it's always worth it this year. I think it was about a third. I want to say maybe a thousand people were. There was a smaller event but it was still fantastic speakers education a chance to meet the industry pupil touch insulin pumps talk to vendors. Things like that a lot of stuff happening in for the kids. It's a chance to see adults too is a chance to see lots of other people wearing the technology that many feel self conscious event and usually by the end of the week amid a family like this is shy seven year old. Who didn't wanna meet anybody and was almost hiding in. her hotel. Room was jumping in the pool by the end of the conference. Showing off her decks calm and her insulin pump. So it's about empowering people with diabetes. It's about educating families. it's about support. As i mentioned last time we had an episode. I was going to last week but it was two weeks ago. I mentioned a new presentation. That i was doing. Reframe your diabetes parent brain. I thought that went really well. I was really thrilled with the crowd. Really terrific people and they did the presentation. I was always afraid of people going to play along and give me their examples but everybody was great so if you were interested i'll do this on zoom. I'll come to your group will come to your parent meet up. It doesn't have to be anything formal. It's really just about taking the terrible things we say to ourselves. I'm failing my child. I'm the worst mom. I'm not doing as well as everybody else. How could i possibly have forgotten the blah blah blah and reframing those thoughts to help us not only feel better. This isn't like a woo thing or the other with changing the way you feel but this is really actionable stuff about seeing how you are actually living so well with diabetes. And you're doing a great job and your child is thriving right under your nose when sometimes you think everything is going wrong so that was really fun. Sometimes at friends for life were you at the. Ada conference a couple of weeks ago. Sometimes there's big announcement about new technology or people do presentations and show The new stuff. There really isn't anything like that this year. There's a lot of delays. Because of coverted as you know if you listen you know we are waiting for omni pod five with horizon. We are waiting for tandems bullets by phone. We are waiting for dex. Come to be submitted to submit g. Seven to the fda so there's a lot of things we're waiting on but the community is always there. And i really really needed to see those other moms to hang out with everybody and tissa. Breathe that air again. So thank you so much for everybody. Who came who said. Hi and who's listening now wheels. That are really really great. Meet up in the charlotte area. And i only share this because you can do this where you live. Even if you don't know anybody with diabetes reach out to your local jd r. f. Or post in some of these. Facebook groups posted the diabetes connections group. You never know. Maybe there's somebody who's local to you and start talking about. Let's get together. We had a fantastic meet up. It was parents and kids and adults with type one. Our chapter has really gotten on the ball with adults. They have a whole of volunteer outreach now for them and you know it's so cool to see people of all ages living well with diabetes. And we all help each other right. So i share that. Not just to say. Isn't my chapter great which it is. Shout out to my fabulous friend and sutton who makes that chapter But also just spur you on to think about meet ups in your own area. They're hard to organize. I do too. And it's sometimes twenty. People come symptoms to people come but it is really worth it to keep putting it out there and keep trying to find parents kids adults in your area. We need our diabetes community. You only see your doctor for teeny weeny amounts of time every couple of months. Diabetes is twenty four seven so reach out. Find people posting the diabetes connections facebook group. If you have questions we can help you. I do a whole presentation on making connections. So i can definitely give you tips and tricks especially as we get closer to school starting to find other families in your area all right before. I let you go if you've listened for this long as you are listening to this episode. If you listen as it goes live. Benny knock on. Wood should be coming home from israel today on the same taping. It's still a couple of days away but it will have been a month. And i should be picking him up at the airport as this episode is airing. I am hoping that after he sleeps and showers your sleep for a couple of days that he will do a debriefing on the show and talk to me about what it was like not just going to israel with camp for a month but what it was like doing all the diabetes stuff completely on his own at this point. I don't really know a lot. I've seen his numbers. And i think i know what's going on but i really want to hear it from him so couple of days left. I can do it keep breathing. Oh my gosh. This has been so stressful. And i will share more with you all warts and all share the honest story but not until he's back and home safe all right. Thank you so much to my editor. John buchanan audio editing solutions. Thank you so much for listening in the news. Every wednesday live on facebook at four thirty and then we turn that around into a friday podcast episode. Do not miss out in. The news is like six or seven minutes. It's real quick. I'm trying to get into five minutes. But i can't get into five minutes. It's always six or seven minutes long. There's just so much good stuff happening. And news to bring you from the diabetes community so join me every wednesday live for that or listen for the episode here. I will you back here in just a couple of days until then be kind to yourself. Diabetes connections is production of stations media. Alright to served or rungs avenged.
Episode 229 - Xbox Series X, Star Wars Squadrons, and More!
"I need a weapon off everyone and welcome to Episode 229 of the Generation X Box podcast. I am Steven Tyler. We're home for all things Xbox. Make sure you had our number to generation. I am back home today, check out all the latest and greatest an Xbox news reviews opinions and more lots of great reviews coming out lately and we got some opinion pieces up on why the Xbox off the right direction what what changes they made that are making it the more competitive console for the next generation. And also if you're on the fence which console to get the series actually the series ass out there. We're going to login information for you to help you make that decision Steven. This is our wall-to-wall coverage of the first presence of the bait, right? No, that would be awful. Let's not do that. I'll be something so I did sent through that and I was a lot of fun. But yeah, yeah. So how how is your week? It's been a little while since since we cranked out one of these these bad boys, but how's everything done for you? Not bad. Not bad. I got to play some games, you know continuing my slay the Spire Play song that's been fun. We did play some new games. I played one new game. Let's talk about it in the second. You got to play a second new game. I just couldn't get it to work because the Xbox and EA are stupid. So that's that and then more Microsoft flights him. Of course who doesn't like flying just over they got japanning now, so did you go check that out? You should know cuz it on the expansion, but okay. Well, I mean like I could go fly in Japan, but all the new like airports and stuff were locked behind the yeah, but okay so, you know just messing around town. My hometown in that game just having fun. I did buy a flightstick and I came in and I've been meaning to use it for squadrons to but I used it for Microsoft flights. I mean, it's so much better to fly with the flight back than it is with out one to be honest. But you know, what are you going to do? I'm just waiting for the new games at this point man. It's like can we get something already? Like I I wish and Quest XI was here and I know that's an old game and I have played it on the PS4, but I want an RPG on the Xbox right now, and I don't have one. So I've been trying to like find a Final Fantasy game to play game ran through like, you know, Final Fantasy eight nine thirteen, I downloaded fifteen and the problem is the battle systems. I'm not in love with all of them or any of them so far off, so it is one of those but well you been up to Well from the gaming front plate some some more PGA 2K, you know still kind of having fun with that. It is definitely challenging but you know, it's all right and dug into some fee for 21 and some squadrons and I know we'll talk about both those games. I don't want really want to dive too deep into either one right now, and I'm looking forward to the new stuff as well. You're not seeing some timers usually sports game on this mysterious pretty much October with everything getting pushed back. But you know, we're sitting I mean, there's not a huge AAA release. This month until pretty much watch dogs at the end of the month and then November's got all the big stuff like cyberpunk was just my goal today. Yeah. Yeah. I thought we were going to talk about that later. But yeah. Oh, sorry tell you good. We just talk about it. Now now they did go gold. And so, you know, that's I look for those that are watching on YouTube. You can see old Keanu as I forget pianos character's name in the game to be honest, but I'm kind of like avoided watching anything on Cyber page because like I know I'm buying it. So I don't want anything spoiled for me. Now at this point of view is you know, I have to I know I'm going to play it. So I I kind of just want to get the game out now. And and get get my hands on then actually experience it. So yeah, I know that once, you know, we get a couple of games like I I'm one of those cameras I like sports games. So those will help tide me over through October between FIFA and and NHL and and there's a ton of racing games that are coming out and have come out over the last you know month to month and half so I haven't really gotten to in to remedy those but you know, there's plenty there for people that like that stuff. So I you know for instance this year, but yeah still still I guess I thought they were playing just for the Triple A's where you stalked over being pretty loaded for those and it's it's November of this year for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so but we did get a couple of games early and I guess that would be a good time to discuss them. Tyler squadrons came out. I think Friday release date could be wrong on that wage. It's been a weird week for me. But squadrons came out at some point over the last week. We both had a chance to play as someone who's not into fly games. What are your thoughts on it? I like it, and I'm not sure I'll ever finish it at the same time. It's like it's okay. It's fun. I think what's keeping me enjoying it is that it's Star Wars sure not the actual gameplay or anything like that because that makes sense know it does it's yeah, it's all the music is awesome in the game. I love it. The environments are cool it all scream Star Wars, you know. The the actual gameplay like I was kind of concerned with just for me knowing that this you know, these games aren't my type of thing. Usually. Yeah. I don't know how much I'll actually put into it especially when there's competition for my time in terms of games, you know over the next few weeks. Sure. Yeah and it's it's one of those games where like back to try with the flight stick as I mentioned earlier, but I I don't love it. I don't like combat flight games. I like just flying around and Landing. It's my favorite thing to do in Flight games is just took go to take off and land like I don't care about the in-between stuff and you don't ever get to land you just fly around trying to dodge stuff and you know, shoot things and that's cool, but it's not for me. So I want to say it's like it's bad or anything. It's just not over me. I don't think it was either. The one thing I did notice that did bug me was you get to click kind of like make your characters on both sides of the aisle. You know you get to make one in the you know, Galactic Empire and one of the rebels and you can choose their voices or whatever. And so I chose like a Hotshot cuz I thought that'd be fun to play like on the Empire and in the cut scenes were like in the dialogue in the game. It just does not flow whatsoever. It just sounds really off and bad. So that part I would say is not good. I don't know what it sounds like for the others. But with the Hotshot mixed with what happens in the first mission, I'm like, oh my gosh, this is bad. Like it's not good. It's like a game from off the 360 or even the Xbox would like the battery exactly. It's just yeah, it's not good. I don't know, you know for me the best thing about Squadron so far is that it's a $40 game not 60 Yeah, I think of who is 68 but probably be a lot more critical. But it's a $40 game, you know, and they could have easily charged $60 for anything with the Star Wars license on it, you know, and so the decent amount of copy so I don't want to say kudos to them but they at least didn't do that what you think of the tutorial part. It's very tutorial E. I mean it's you know, it's kind of easy, which is nice for those that maybe haven't played one in a while where you just kind of take off you you attack turrets which are cool cuz they don't move. So like it's just you against yourself and they do shoot back but they're stationary. So like it helps you get in the in the swing of things and then you do take on some x-wings, which so it's a it's a decent ramp up and I I assume the later. Missions are better and harder and tougher and things like that. They're not interested in it. So I probably I don't see myself going back and playing to be honest. Yeah, and like you said it's not a bulb, you know, it's not to say the game isn't good. I just think that for for each of us and probably more so me than you. This isn't the type of game that I normally would play and if it didn't break the Star Wars license, I don't I don't know that I ever would have bought it in the first place. Yeah. This was Ace, I don't think I'd buy it or you know Hawks two or three. I think there was I you know, they're fun for those that like that. I'm sure yeah, it's really hard to judge the game in the genre as someone who doesn't play the genre because I play Flight games like Sim games flight Sims, but those are not the same, you know, cuz you're just focused on getting somewhere and Landing right? You're not focus on you know dog fights in the air, right? So, yep. Give it a go with the flight stick, but honestly if I'm wanting to shoot something, I'm going to go play Doom Eternal, which is now on Game Pass and I played a little bit of that last night like the first mission. That's it's pretty fun. Just slay bodies dead demon bodies with chainsaws. But anyways, Tyler you got a chance to play one of the series that I enjoy life, even though I don't play it on line and that's paid for twenty one was available for the trial on t a t a play so I picked up a month of EA play cuz it's coming The Game Pass like November 10th. I want to say I think day and date with the Series yesterday with with series actual anyway. So for those that don't know at this point ye access turned into EA Play and play dead like you used to be able to play every game. They had ten hours early. Now there were some things locked. For instance Dragon Age 3 Inquisition was you were stuck or Dragon Age. But it's the third Dragon. Anyways, you were stuck in the Hinterlands which was the first area you couldn't leave it. But there was enough to do in there that you could easily run out the 10 hours and then you know, all their sports game a ten-hour trial which is cool. Like you pay. I think it's like twenty-five a year back when it was a access or whatever and might have been 30 but you get discounts on every a title including the microtransactions her a plus the 10-hour trials, which was nice. So I picked the $5 cuz I was like, all right. I'll get my ten hours FIFA 10 hours of Home Tell and then you know, it's coming to Game Pass. So I don't need to have it any longer than a month and honestly, it saves me a dollar buying fee 421, but then I can get it to load. I tried to the Game Pass App. I just tried it from the store. I tried it from my games and apps I couldn't load the trial. I had these issues before but it's been a while since I had access cuz I kind of got rid of it for a while back. And that sucked cuz I you know, I can't play 421 but you better happened to me with Madden 19. Yeah, the Steelers one right off. Yep. Yeah. I remember the one that I went on to take part in Ultimate Team more than I would have liked to admit. Was it that one it was just one. Yeah anyways, so you did get a chance place. You've Twenty-One I did. What's it like playing that game from a from someone who has not played a v a game regularly in a long time? If not, I'll tell you the last FIFA game. I played extensively. Here in bye-bye says flaming more than like 10 hours. Right? And and well that's a lot of people for me but let's say more than 20 is FIFA 10. So, what's the long? Right, and I loved it. So one of the things I got me into soccer more or football student for you is off but we now have a team here in Minnesota and the MLS I get everybody all of our friends in the UK as you laugh and turn your nose up and whatever you're listening to us on right now. It's just even as he turns his nose up you the MLS. I know right? I get it. It's you know, the MLS is a different league and you know, you guys can't compete in that I understand wire. I'm just I'm just kidding. Yeah. Well that's as far beneath, you know premier league and also I get that it's a different level of play but it's a team here at home and it's on T all the time not at 2 in the morning. So it's it's easier for me to follow and get into it and get to know the players a little bit and all that type of stuff right sure that certainly helped. So all I've done so. I'm almost done with their I'm almost used up the whole trial. I think I have like an hour and a half left, but I've played with you know, the loons here in the MLS and I've just done the light career mode as a manager. Okay, so, you know, you're playing as a team and you're running the team and I'll tell you like the training stuff is really good. It's so much better than the Iraq one in Madden. It actually teaches you some skills as you go. Yeah, and the best part of FIFA compared to the other sports is you can do those training things before the game starts like watch loading off. So it's really nice to be able to you know practice. It just gives you a random training, you know every game but it's nice practice your crosses or your shots or you know, your two on one scenario offense or defense while the game's loading and then you can just you can finish it out and learn the points and get the metals or whatever or you can just yeah like skip it and as soon as the game loads but it gives you something to do which is better than it has and but a lot of times my mission seem to see what that looks like next gen with shorter loading times, right? Oh, yeah, hopefully yeah but in a way like when you look at the game like Madden or even MLB the show right when you think about Road to the Show, it's the training things that exist are more to level up your player not so much to offer you better at the game if that makes sense. Whereas in FIFA. I feel like you get both. You know, you're you're improve the player but you also learn new skills, especially for a player like me that's not a seasoned fief of that. Oh, are you talking like training your players in between games like train stations, but I never played those. I just played the ones at before game starts. I just let go. Okay. I'm talking about the actual sessions between games and I do it's actually made me a better player of the game and keep in mind like I'm so I'm new to it. Right right, but I've learned a lot of things control eyes and strategy-wise that have helped me be better at the actual video game just by doing that. So it's just it's a way of having like a tutorial system for players like me that is within the context of the game mode rather than having it be its own separate thing. There's nobody like wants to go and do the training section. Unless you're doing it for achievements, right? Yeah, but, you know having it be within there and just a seamless wage play. That's pretty cool. I like it even better than MLB the Show, which is in my mind the best sports game on the market. But so that that's that the gameplay is fantastic, but from like when you said in other people said it always is and people are pretty much. I'm used to you know, the NHL in the bands where there's often super glitchy stuff. I just don't sense that as much in FIFA. Yeah, I mean Iraq, there's one area you could lob through balls and basically get a goal every time but it's been a long time since that's been the case. But like I said, you're comparing online Madden versus offline FIFA. So it's really hard to compare because it's so that's fair online people take advantage of things all the time. Right? Like just didn't say what that my child to you like. Yes a child, like people, you know home Yeah, yeah, we'll take Superman's of glitches their papers the one sports game where I play almost exclusively single player like career mode and just take Arsenal to win the like treble and quadruple, you know the way back up the FA Cup the the league and the like Champions League when I get them back in there, so that's what I usually do. But I you know, I did play a little volts. I last year. I hated to see the advances made there. It was a fun mode. But again, I just like playing as Arsenal, you know, it's party time by the way, but anyways, so, you know that game comes out on a Friday night or Thursday night. If you just buy the standard Tuesday or tonight, if you buy any of the other editions of the 71 or the right, actually, I think it's 80 and then 71,000 access or a play. But yeah, you know, it's it's fun game and you the nice part is you buy it now you get it on the series X you get the the upgrade. So there you go. Yeah, and it's it's nice we need to do that. You know, we want to make them out to be too heroic here. But you know, it's it's a good fan-friendly thing off, especially when you see all the games not doing it. Yep. Like I mean, it's okay. Oh, I know unless you pay the $100 addition. Yo. Yeah. So anyway, I think there's still parts of to pay that won't transfer over. Yeah, so I'm sure on that. Yeah, there there are definitely some parts of certain games. I will not transfer over but I'm pretty sure that like Madden Ultimate Team wage in team any progress you making any game mods will transfer over imagine if they didn't. Oh geez Louise you spend like, you know a grand in the first month if you're one of those guys and then you don't even get your team to transfer over and like that would they know like some of the people cuz if they did I think there would be a lot of people that would just stop buying the game. Yeah. They probably actually have somebody like try to sue off and I can see it. I can see it real quick for move on. So you want to talk about our friends over at BetOnline. I won so been back home for all sports betting, you know Not Just Sports, too. There's lots of other stuff if you like Esports if you like Call of Duty League of Legends, OverWatch, Doda and More you can better than all that they're to betonline.ag your home for Esports betting and regular sports betting the way it's finally over Steven football's back. The Vikings finally got the memo and defeated the Houston Texans yesterday Texans guy fired already. After the 4th game, which is a little crazy. You might not be adding a game this year assume but you can still be in on the action at that online but lines going the extra mile to make sure you can walk in on everything imaginable from game spreads and totals to team player and coaching Prospect online gives you more options to wager than any other place online. You can get in on their season-opening bonuses today off start off wagering on wind vision and Championship Futures today had to been online. E g today take advantage of all the great sign-up bonuses at BetOnline your online Sportsbook expert Steven. I can tell you one team in the baseball playoffs that I can not bet on. Yeah your team got eliminated into games and again, very typical, So to Fashion they have no lost eighteen consecutive playoff games that's impressive is not just impressive. It's the most In North American Sports history. See you can't ever say you didn't win something. You won the worst team for a stretch in North American Sports. That's West Palm at sucking when it matters most. Yeah, it's true. So there's something and we should probably ever prayed for that. Yeah, the only one we're going to have you go, you know my team failed to go out three nothing on the heat. Yes last night but they're out to one. Jimmy buckets gonna do it off. He did set a record or first player to out like score out assists and outrebound LeBron James in any final game ever like to bring him in all three categories. I mean, yeah in the same game. Yeah, including a cement so that's that's crazy. But anyways, yeah that shows how good LeBron is but I've very much like LeBron James going to do. How do you imagine certain that he's on the Lakers? Yeah, but I liked him since he left. I hated him when he went to Miami, but I liked him when he was your favorite show of all time was the decision. I never actually watched that and it did make me root against Miami every year they were in the finals now I get to root against them again. So it's like yeah. Yes anyways moving off of sports time. I saw something going around on on the on the interwebs this week and it was the top for 10 out of 10 games of the last generation. So I figured we could do that here year caveat everyone because we're an Xbox show. It's going to be only games. You can play on the Xbox. Yes, I think God of War is a 10 out of 10. Yes. I think breath of the wild is a 10 out of 10, but these are just going to be the table for 10 out of 10 games. You can play on the Xbox last gen tank. So don't come crying in my comments and saying, oh these Fanboys, nope, just for the Xbox. I mean, you know what excuse us from being Fanboys and anti PlayStation and Nintendo if the show name doesn't give away what we do here. I don't know what to tell you, especially given given that relate 25 minutes. I'm not showing your still here. Yeah. Yeah, so and it's not like we you know, we talked I don't know. I have all the consoles and PC shut up, you know, okay, let's go to do we need to go on or off? or Can this be just throwing out for just four? Okay, would you like to go first sure, I can go first. We're going to start with the end of the Xbox generation. And we're going to go with Red Dead Redemption 2 that game was a 10 out of 10. It was awesome. I loved it it it took a while to sink its Hooks and then I got worried for a bit odd that I was not going to enjoy it and like I wasn't playing it very much and then all of a sudden I don't know what it was in the story. But all of a sudden was like boom and I just like could not put it down even the one ring not so great part of the campaign that everyone kind of disliked the part where you leave the United States, you know to that. Oh, yeah, that part was but I hate that either but I I wanted a free room and stuff and it was just jarring cuz it was so I don't know but that's my first 10 out of 10 game on the Xbox this Jen. And you know, I was going to go the same I'll go different came here. And I say The Witcher 3 wild Hunt in this is one of those games where like I never finished this game to 50% honest and like push come to shove is the type of game that I generally love know, but I can still know that I'm playing something really special when I'm playing it home. And I knew that that's what this was the fact that this game was like two hundred hours long and it's a masterpiece and return the expansion. Riverbend a stand-alone Game of the Year just says so much about this game. So I'll go with Witcher 3 as as my first call outs. Well, that's funny. Cuz that was going to be my second and still is my second. And as Tyler gotta said I'm not going to repeat it. But I also didn't beat it. I've put probably a hundred and twenty hours into the game in three forty hour increments. Oh, you know, I know the the Bloody Baron storyline like the back of my hand and I've gone both ways on it off or both decisions paths. But yeah, it's it's just such a good good game. It's just something always comes up that drags me away and then I find myself going back and trying it again. And I mean is it has you know, 200 300 hours of content, which so it's it's tough to be gained sometimes but it is one of those games that is just really really good job. So that's my what about you? So I'm going to games that you know, I guess it depends cuz these were ten out of ten somewhere. But I'll just get it out of the way because I know I'm going to say that some pointing that's read that to you. I'll just piggyback on that. It is absolutely in mind. I think It ultimately I think this is probably the best experience. I played especially on the Xbox. In this generation, it's just so immersive. It's so good at a return absolutely coins to yeah, it's great. It's great to just go be in the world, you know, and the fact that the world is so alive around you in so many ways. The only thing that can be fixed in the same thing in my opinion is that you know, if you bump into a horse and somebody else's horse or carriage or something. It doesn't turn into a shootout to me. It is fun walking and then like off the cart of someone is driving bumps you and then it's your fault. Yeah, it's fun. I enjoy that. So other than that though, I mean, it's it's a masterpiece in almost every single way. It's it's one of those rare games that is super hyped for years and then delivers. Yeah, for sure. So yeah, I definitely will go that route here. All right, you make it hard for me. My number three is a game. I've been talking about for the last like month on the show and we're going to just talk about it again. Slay the Spire baby. I love it. It's card or deck-building roguelike. I put 55 hours into it already and it's been out for a while to be fair wage, but I'll play it in spurts. But recently I've played it a lot and I want and then I like when I'm going to bed I watch videos of other people playing it and then I go back and play it and cuz I like learn new synergies and stuff. It's just so different. Like I don't I've never had a run that feels the same as any other run like in fifty five hours. I think I've played, you know, two hundred runs at them. Point they all feel different and I didn't win two hundred. I probably won like fifteen but they're fun. It's just such a fun game. It's really easy. You can place in like 30 minutes to an hour. It's one of my favorite games. I kind of I downloaded it tried. It was like and then you know Paul charchian was tweeting about it. But I think it was around December of 2018 and then I started playing it again instead of you know, studying for finals and then I just never really stopped wage. All right stop for a time, but I go back it is perfect. I love that game. If you have Game Pass and you haven't played it and it sounds interesting at all go freaking down on it. So that's my third life. So I Here's a game that I can't even say Steven that this is my favorite quote indie game of the generation, but it did get a 10 out of 10 and it's well deserved. And it's inside. Okay. I I know you're I don't think you're quite as high in this game as I am, but I loved it. I think the stories powerful. I think the way that the the game tells the story is is very interactive rather than just like hitting you with it. All the time. It's it's nuanced. It's good storytelling and the the game itself is challenging and everything. You do feels meaningful. I love the game. I was just it was one of those games where I go into it hoping I'm going to like it and then I just can't put it down. Yeah. So yeah, it was super good. I had to wash with inside. Yeah. I liked it. It's just I I I put it down and then I never picked it back up again, which is what I did with unravel and it wasn't until the sequel got an ace like that same day. I finished it and then I'd be unraveled to buy the way travels game. Like if you want to get into like Indie Games. I played can't Rave enough about that game. I know it's not a technical 10 out of 10. But you want to talk about a great story and some of that's powerful without a word being spoken. Yeah, the first unravel that's so yeah, the first one the second one is more fun platforming or story off. So it sucks. It's a combine the two because the first one did story better the second one did platforming better and I was like, yeah, but anyways so number for this one that I really want to say Kingdom Hearts 3 here I do I really do I should but I'm not going to I understand it's not a 10 out of 10 for most people which is why I'm taking it off even though for me it is wraps up. The story gives us a little bit more of a tease though for next time, but I'm going to say Ori and the blind Forest. I prefer the definitive edition a game absolute wonderful Masterpiece. I loved every second about it. I love the music. I loved again story without ever really saying a word platforming was fantastic, and I don't even like a girl. Forming all that much. It was just great. And I'm going to honorable mention here while Tyler is I'm by Tyler second Celeste also Masterpiece and I could easily replace or what's the last name would be the same thing both were perfect. Both games were bad. And you know what? I'm just going to combine them into one. They wrote ten out of ten. They're my number for Marion. Yep. All right. Okay so long I am I'm also going to go with an XBox exclusive here. And well Oreos now on switch so it's not an Xbox. Oh, yeah, but it launched it was yeah true. Okay, I think whatever you can take a racing game and make it more than they make it something that people recognize as you know, in some circles as a game of the year contender. and make it something where you know, we saw some sites even compared to you know, in terms of quality instead of getting like Red Dead 2. I didn't think it was quite there. But the fact of life in in the conversation is impressive and that sports are rising for I I don't think I've ever seen seen a racing game. Look. As good as that, I don't think I've played one that is just as like easily free flowing through an open world that go do one of it and then do a totally different type of event without it feeling like you're having loading screens in this jarring stuff, you know, it takes you out of the world. Everything is seamless. Everything's great. It's a game that it's still played a ton like back when mixture was still a thing. It was one of the most stream games on the platform even to the end of June so, I'll go look forward to Verizon for yeah, that's a good choice and I almost put it there but it was for me personally. That's why I went a different route. But yeah, it was a fantastic game. I don't know if I would choose 4/3 to be honest for did definitely look better but I think I just like three more except for had the snow fair. If I could get a racing game that was just exclusively in a winter. I would be happy. I love driving Dynamics seasons were such a cool introduction was and it was a great. I mean, it was great idea. I mean, it does change like, you know, slay the Spire every runs different. It's kind of the same enforcement, you know, cuz you get constantly no seasons and driving in those new seasons all feel different the same map became four different. Yeah. It's right off. So it was it it's really cool in that way too. It's just there's a lot of innovation in that game if I have to do like let's do one like a guilty pleasure Stephen like, you know, you know, it's not a Sonata tan, but you log With that much, okay. Well, I'm going to throw one in first. I'm going to say Titanfall 2 for the story. Well, I would say the story was a 10 out of 10 or at least I think it really was. I mean that yeah, I was in fact I hate shooter mode back then so I tried and I played like more of the campaign than I thought I would I didn't beat it because again, I was in the I didn't want to play shooter. But the fact I had I had a lot more fun with the multiplayer and one especially once they kind of got it, you know, a little deeper and more stuffs of you about a urine but the campaign into was phenomenal one of the best shooter campaigns of our plate. I started on the show before and I think it might be the best shooter campaigner played this generation. So and already really really gave my guilty pleasure early. I'll just repeat it Kingdom Hearts 3. That's my like and it's a 10 of attend to me and it's playable on the Xbox. Yeah. So final boss is too hard. Yeah. Yep. And our Okay Tyler. I'm actually surprised you made it that far to be honest. I thought you would put it down in like the first world maybe the song and I thought I would too. Yeah, but what do you do? All right, so that was our top for 10 at 10. Let us know join the forums Forum. Generation xbox.com and what your table for 10 out of 10 games are a last-gen and then in the coming weeks will be doing a top hundred games of that. You can play on the Xbox through all the generations will be on the lookout for that leading into the release of the series X on the 10th. So last couple of things in news, we wrap up Tyler Starfield pics got leaked. They looked really bad and people complained loudly in her like ha ha well, so the Sony the ponies, you know, obviously use it as see we don't carry out this way, you know, look at how bad it looks cuz you know, you know justify that whole thing in their minds, but some I'm sure there was some Middle Road or Xbox fans that freaked out. Two guys that game is a while off like it could be years off. It could be three years off, right? Yeah, they don't they do not finish the graphics first and then a new game play. It's all works together. So yes, it's going to look bad until they finalize everything cuz they're not finalizing Graphics until they finish the area right? Because otherwise you're just going to have to keep readjusting based on the way people move and all that fun stuff. So I don't want to I don't care what the games look like until the year before leading into the game releasing, you know, we saw games not look good. I can't remember actually did Anthem look really good before it came out at first it did. Yeah, but do you remember when Harry Potter got leaked and then w b took it all down. You didn't look great either and now look at the last trailer we got so yeah again, I don't want to hear it off. It's just everybody jumps on everything now. Like it's the final version of that thing. I know the internet is the world thing for gaming ever or at least Twitter off and not surprising news whatsoever. Phil said that these will not be the last consoles though. I took it to mean Next-gen is happening like the Xbox. Yeah, I don't know what their call it at this point the Xbox 5 it'll be something totally different that makes no sense. So I I hope he doesn't mean that there'll be a midst like generation upgrade again. I actually come out and said on record that they don't anticipate that happening this time. Yeah, they think the series X is powerful enough that to be able to that's, you know, live through the generative PlayStation does it I mean, I don't know if you kind of have to sneak. I mean, I mean we'll see as time goes by currently. I don't think it's our plan to do it, but they just released such an underpowered box last time that's true and 13 that you had to get caught up off. Mid Jen and and really that was the you know, the the One S. And then the the One X was the super-powered, you know console for this this generation. Yeah. All right. Well, that's good do it for news Tyler you want to bring us into releases? Yep, so you can get FIFA 21 this week on the 6th Ministry broadcast, which is cool like narrative-driven platformer that mixes Royals lakes near Fort Worth Modern reality TV. So in order to reach her family get to compete on and win a reality T show. So kind of interesting premise. And then finally 9th Dawn 3 Shadow of Your Silver Seal something like that. I'm go with arthel sure article but with that releases on the 6th of October as well so fast come in this weekend. There's more to check out, you know any side with release sneakers to get the full list, you know, where we so we start seeing the really big. Yeah, but for my PC players Ballers three in Early Access is supposed to launch off tomorrow. And now that I think about it, this is from larian Studios the makers of divinity original sin and Divinity original sin 2 the fact that I left that off my top four is a travesty to myself. So I am replacing slay the Spire. Sorry. I love you slay the Spire with divinity original sin 2, that game is absolutely perfect. It's it's got everything. It's it's one wage. Games were like if you see a ship on fire and this was the first one but it's the same thing in the second like you can put the ship out with like a rain spell or you know a scroll and then actual like, you know, the the the NPC's will react to that right so you can work with the environment not a lot of games do that. But that's just like the icing. We're sorry just the tip of the iceberg with how that's one of my favorite games of all time, but Baldur's Gate 3. So so so excited it's bringing the full like D&D 5th Edition rules into a video game wage. I can't wait. It should come to consoles eventually that both Divinity original sin is did so we can imagine we'll see Baldur's Gate, but I know they're saying right now they're working strictly on the PC release. So if you play on a c check that out early access going to have even more content than the original sin 2 did An Early Access and original sin to add like thirty hours worth of content. So a lot I dead Literally cannot wait to play to get my hands on this but it should come to console. So I'm I'm I'm counting it for the the Xbox side of face right off. Yeah, that's going to do it for news and and the upcoming games. Thank you guys so much and it's also going to do for episode 209. I was like, we have somebody else. Okay, so much for watching the episode 229. Sorry, there wasn't a lot of news this week. I mean if anything it's all our fault, you know, I'm sure it is a small Trail off everything but it wasn't there. There was some video game news saying we're not talking I was gonna say there was a lot of real life news. If you live in America that probably why the video games were life, you know, when you start to get very near know when we're just going to sit back here and but if anything happens will if it's big might be an extra bonus episode this week off. As with his next big thing you guys so much and play some great games played Spider. All right. Thanks. Everybody by my
Coach Steve Powers Shares His Success Secrets
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And at least the United States probably the world, I daresay and I was doing some low level calculus. I think Steve powers who I'm about to introduce you to. I think I just did. But he probably is one of the handful of coaches in the world, real estate coaches that have done more one on one coaching calls, or at least the same number, but I think more than Julie and I so that's pretty extraordinary. Now, it's funny too when you tell people I'm a coaching calls you've had. Sometimes people are impressed. But what they don't really understand is you're not bragging, you're asking for some, you know, please feel sorry for me because that was a lot of time. So now you further delay my old friend and you know, somebody that we've had a lot of interesting experiences with over the years, Steve power, Steve, welcome. Hi, Tim, thanks for having me. Yeah, it's been about 85,000 half hour coaching calls. So it's a bunch. But isn't that funny, though? I mean, to say that out loud, have your intellectualized that. No, I try not to. Because then I realized that I spent 41 hours per week every week for 25 years doing actual coaching calls, plus all the work. But here's the thing. The people I get to work with, I'm so fortunate because they're asking me for help, and I get to help them with the real estate career. So although it's a lot of coaching calls, I think there are only two that I wish I didn't do. The other 84,000 plus so glad I did them. So what we're going to do today is you and I have no we didn't prepare ahead of time because you and I trust each other and we're just going to sort of see where the conversation goes. What I'd like to do and I know you like to do this as well is really drill down on what really maybe Steve you can help me co create this content, right? But what I want to do is I want to deliver something that's really actionable to these guys. I don't know. There's nothing for sale, so don't worry about it. We're just going to straight up talk about the quality or the characteristics or maybe even the real practical tactile things that somebody who is consistently successful in real estate does versus what the other people do, right? Steve and I share Julie and all our other coaches. We share a similar philosophy, but I have a feeling Steve's going to have some interesting twists on things that maybe we didn't consider. So Steve, I want to start by asking you this question. What makes somebody coachable? What makes what makes an agent coachable? Really, I think it comes down to it's attitude because then you can teach aptitude. Herb Brooks who owns southwest. He had that great quote. I hire on attitude. I teach aptitude. If somebody wants to use real estate as a career, as a profession, to better their life to earn money through real estate to buy a great life. Then it's easy to coach somebody. If they're not all in real estate's not for them, if somebody wants to dip their toe in the water and play at it and be sociable, they'll get wiped out of this business, but Tim you and I know. You give a us anybody who wants to succeed through real estate. We have the easy part because all we do is tell them the mechanics of what to do because they have the right attitude. So I know it's attitude. A chip on their shoulder, they want to prove something to the world. You know, I coach this wonderful woman, wonderful. And I said to her, why should I coach you? And she said, my husband left me took all my money and told me I would never make a 100,000 a year. I said, you're in. And she is killing it. Because her attitude is, I'm going to prove to the world I can do this. And that's all it really comes down to. Yeah, I wrote that down. I agree with you, everything. It also, the good bit of this, though it goes to your chip on your shoulder point is doing what they don't want to do when they don't want to do it at the highest level, right? I mean, moving past the animal. But that's an interesting thing. And this is again this is gonna be fun. So in these sort of culture, there's this belief that you have to have passion for what you do in order to get results. You have to love what you do every single day. Is that true? I forgot the author's name, but a book that I read. The question to the author was simple. Do you have to love what you're doing to be good at it? And he said, absolutely not. What you need to do is be a professional and get great at what you're doing. And then you'll love the fact that you're great at it and then you'll do it. That's awesome, dude. I love that. That's really good. Thank you. Well, so the whole passion thing is where it's essentially derailing a lot of people with tremendous potential. At all ages, right? Because they believe they have to have passion to be successful. So if I don't feel that passion, I'm not going to be successful. So I'm going to stop trying. What do you think about that? I think the passion comes as you get better at it. With any new endeavor, you're going to have teething pain. You're going to be the new guy on the block. You're going to make mistakes. And everybody thinks they can go from zero to hero because they watch three YouTube videos about how to do real estate and they got it. But I want you to think about this. I coach a lot of great people and I tell them they have to get comfortable Tim with the zeros. Can I can I tell you what I mean by that? Of course. We get an agent. You do 25 deals a year. That is top of the line. You're in the top 5%, 25 deals average commission ten grand. You're making a quarter million. You're out earning your brothers, your parents, all your Friends. And yet, when you do 25 deals, that's only one every 14 days. You're gonna go 13 days with no listings taken. 13 days with no buyer sales, 13 days with no listing appointments. See, everybody thinks all the 25 two 50. Yeah. But you have to understand there's going to be a lot of dead time where you're not getting anything but zeros. And you have to get comfortable the fact that your job is to do your job every day. Knowing that a lot of days will be a zero and that's okay. Because at the end of the year, you have 25 days out of 360 five that weren't. And those 25 days pay a quarter $1 million. Well, exactly. You know, there is an interesting thing that came out. When you and I first met Steve, the average sale price in the United States was probably about 225 grand. The average sale price in the United States as of the end of last month was 429. Think about that. And we're not that old. But that's extraordinary. So if it, you know, your mouth works, but just think about that. Somebody gets in the business. They sell 25 houses. Like you said, it's going to be a pretty extraordinary amount of money depending on what their average commission is. Yeah, it's incredible. So here, let's make it practical, right? So if you have a brand new agent on the phone, they've got that little genocide. They've got that spark. They're willing to do what they don't want to do when they don't want to do it at the highest level. They've got that chip on their shoulder. You feel it as a coach that this person is going to really take to it exactly, right? Now, what would be the first three things you tell that person to do to really launch and launch to the point where they have so much momentum? What were the three things, if there were three? In all sales, the first thing you do is you lean in your family and friends. The first thing you have to do is lean on your family and friends. If you go into financial planning, they make you call all your family and friends. And then you saw your dad a policy you saw your brother policy and your best friend from high school policy. And then the work really begins, but you got three under your belt. So the first thing I would do is I would work with whoever you broker is whoever your leader is and compile a list of all your family and friends way out there. Your Facebook friends, your Instagram Friends. And announce to the world that you're ready to help them with their real estate needs. And here's the good news. The public doesn't really expect us to be that good. So they're okay letting you work with them if you're brand new. See, you announced to me that your 19 and you want to be a Doctor Who wants an operation? I'm not going to you. You announced to me, you want to sell a house? I'll buy a house with anybody. So the first thing I would do is I would make a list of all my family and friends and announce multiple different ways. I'm in real estate and try to reach out and help them work with you. Because each one of them guys and the term I use is a conduit. If you have a neighbor that you know, they know 200 people you don't. The average person moves every ten years. Your neighbor will learn up 20 people that will move in the next year. That's a conduit. So that's number one. Number two, I have them preview. They've got to go preview houses. And if you think about it, they go preview 8 houses, four days a week, that's 32. I make them work every Saturday and Sunday because so many people come into real estate and their first month, they don't work on Saturday and Sunday. And then when they have to start working on Saturday and Sunday, they can't because they have too many other activities. So if they preview 40 house a week Tim, that's 200 a month. In 6 months, they've been in 1200 homes haven't they? Well, to your point, though, just an underlying that knowledge equals confidence, ignorance equals spear. And the best way for you to have confidence is by knowing the market better than anybody else because most ages, the first thing they stopped doing when they get really busy is they lose their market knowledge. That's an excellent point. And here's the big thing that is nowadays when you walk into almost any house that your previewing is showing, please remember you're on camera. That's all I paid $49 for a Wi-Fi camera facing the front door. And if your hair isn't done, you're not wearing professional clothes. You're not going to be hired by that seller in the future. Or if you're showing a house to a buyer guys, think of this. You walk in and the bar goes, the carpet's awful, you go, oh, this is terrible carpet. I hate it. And the seller has 5 contracts. You're not one of them accepted because they hate you. Don't put down the house. Walk in and go, wow. This is so much better than the pictures. Then walk around the house going, wow, no popcorn ceilings. That's a plus two shower heads. I talk really loud. I walk fast. The sellers hearing you. How much you like the house. So you're learning 1200 properties in your market in 6 months. And 1200 sellers now who know who you are and they like you. It all adds up. So if there's a third, if there's a third thing, that's awesome, I love it. But every Saturday morning and unless your religion requires not to, you've got a prospect Sunday Night. I'm a big proponent in two hours every Sunday Night. As you know, Tim, I own part of power line prospecting. We prospect for people. We prospect Sunday nights and our hit ratio is three to one. Three times the amount of Sunday Night than any other time. Think about this, guys. A by owner held their house open Sunday. Nobody came. They've got four loaves of honey wheat bread in their bed in their hands because nobody came. They've got their dirty saint Joseph statue upside down because they read that works. And then you call Sunday Night. You make an appointment. You call on Monday, you're in 100 other agents or calling. So prospect, preview, call your Friends and family, work on weekends. Real estate's an easy job, it's just a lot of work. Yeah, it is a lot of time, right? But, you know, so you said something. Well, help me out here. Absolutely Sunday Night, absolutely Saturday morning. The last day of the month, the first day of the month, especially if that last day first day falls over a holiday. Because all the other agents are at the beach and you're the one that's prospecting you're the one that's working. But by the way, we don't say prospecting because usually that causes angels to go. So what we say is proactive lead generation. See it's my job. We've taken the edges off whatever PLG, proactively generation. I don't care what you got it. I gave it to him. If I'm not talking to somebody, somebody and selling with me. Totally a 100%. And that's really at the end of the day. Well, so energy enthusiasm too. I mean, we're still working on the new agent, right? Energy enthusiasm will overcome lack of experience and education in a 100% of the time. Because people are attracted, yeah. I mean, that's kind of another fascinating thing that if you have energy enthusiasm for what you're doing and you just be excited, be, you know, and you have some of you if you're super introvert, you're gonna have to train yourself to do that. We did a series of podcasts on that just two weeks. Well, maybe a week ago. And, you know, so just go to real estate coaching radio and listen to that, how to basically as an introvert, train yourself to be more of an extrovert, but I mean, guys, Steve said that it is interesting, Steve, real estate is the simplest business that people overcomplicate, right? Why at the end of the day, it's about taking listings, maintaining a certain number of listings. A certain number of those listings will every month. Why has it been why has it been made so ridiculously overcomplicated in the last 20 years? Do you have opinion on that? Well, it goes back to you got to get comfortable in the zeros ten. If you're doing 25, again, which is a tremendous amount of deals. You're only doing a deal every two weeks. So you got to overcomplicate the 13 days in between to fill in the void. Or you've got to spend 13 days in between on the phone door knocking doing lead follow-up, going to preview houses. And the majority of agents don't want to do that 90% of every day. So they over complicate this business. I mean, you see it all the time. So do you. The next two weeks, I'm getting a new CRM. I'm joining boomtown, why local follow-up also, so I'm going to take the next two. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, but that's what realtors want to do. And then again, they work in an office where the number one agent did two deals in a month so they're right on track and they're okay, not doing anything all day. That's awesome dude. And I agree completely. Or of course, they're going to say, you know what? I'm going to make a whole bunch of TikTok videos. I'm going to do all this other stuff. It's a fun, it's a fun game to play with people, right? So if you had to take 5 listings in the next 30 days, what would you stop doing? Agents? No. If you had to take 5 listings or something really bad was going to happen, right? What would you stop doing? In the U.S. questions like this too. And the answer is just boom materialize what stopped doing, you know, pretty much all the things that you're doing. Because you know those things aren't going to lead directly to you being in a position to help people make money. I love that. All right, so now you got somebody that's at 25 units and they want to go to 50 or 75. What does that person have to do? What maybe three pieces of advice or coaching you'd lend to them? Number one, they need to get a secretary or an assistant. The first thing they have to do is start to leverage and delegate because we have sellers buyers agents, appraisers, brokers, everybody wants to call you. And so we need to hire someone at X amount per hour or we're doing that work. And my recommendation is you hire an assistant, but treat them like a secretary for the first 30 days. They're just there to answer the phone may copies input export. They're not there to negotiate home inspections. They don't have the experience. So we have a lot of ages. They hire someone in three days. Okay, you call my sellers every week and give them an update. No. That's your job. So get a secretary get a system. Number two, you've got to dramatically increase your sphere of influence. But the great people I'm coaching right now, we're all adding 250 people to our sphere in the next four months. We know that theoretically, 25 will give us a deal next year. So we're going to be door knocking and prospecting and adding people that have some semblance of real estate. But if we had 250 million through our sphere, that would give us 25 deals next year and 25 deals the year after. A sphere of influence has a shelf life of about two years. And so I'm writing it down. I love that. I'm gonna give that to you. It's just basic because and this is what I've always done. In the fourth quarter every year, we call our sphere. And they're on the chopping block. And so Tim, if you and Julie came into my sphere in 2019. Well, I don't count 2019. You had all of 2020 and all thousand, 2021. I've talked to you four 6 times a year. You've been in my follow-up. I've sent you emails. You've watched my Facebook . I've rubbed your feet. I've called you thin and beautiful. In two years, I have worked you. Now, in that two years, you gave me zero referrals. And then you tell me you refinanced your house. And you got a 1.9, ten years, and you put graveyards in the back of your house 'cause you're gonna die there. I gotta say goodbye. So at the end the fourth quarter of every year, if you've been in my sphere for two years or more and you haven't given me any referrals and you have no intention of moving, bye bye bye bye. Well, so let's drill down on that. And that was really, that's fantastic. So and I wrote some things down because I've just learned a couple of things from you and I appreciate that. What should they be doing? Centers of influence and past clients, there are coaching organizations that basically want you to reign tchotchkes on them constantly. Forget me not seeds in their bowls, pumpkin pie in November, all these drop off type things. What do you prescribe to your coaching clients when it comes to their centers of influence and past clients to stay in front of them? First of all, just because they're a past client doesn't mean they're useful. One of my past clients has a Nobel Peace Prize in dark matter. Do you know what kind of analytical person you have to be to have a Nobel Peace Prize in dark matter? This man works in a hole on dark stuff. He has no friends, doesn't talk to anybody. Now, his wife is an expressive. She was miss teenage Virginia. She knows everybody. And everybody knows her. The husband passed client gets one call a year. She gets 6. So the first thing you want to do is take your past clients and realize they're not all equal. Some of your past clients, mister or misses, one of those partner is a conduit is a feeder. And the other is dead weight. So I would not call them equally. That's the first thing I do. Next thing you do demographics. If you and Julie were kind enough to buy a house me back in 2017, you're on your foregoing on 5 year ring. Your child is 18 leaving college next year. Demographically, you're more likely to move. So I'm going to increase my calls to you and Julie. So it's knowing your past clients and doing a little bit of analytics to decide who gets a call. I grade them a, B's and C's. My 6 calls a year, but this is what you're saying and I want them to hear you because this is incredibly important. Call you are calling you are picking up the phone. You're having direct communication with people. If you drift them if you drip campaigns as Steve knows, have proven to be largely wastes of time. And that's not ten or Steve's saying it. That's every research study that's been done. Long term lead follow up, especially digitally does not work to the point where you probably shouldn't even consider doing it. CRM lovers. I'm sorry, do your own homework. You'll discover that's true. But you're saying you pick up the phone and you call folks. So let's talk about that. Picking up the phone and calling and what do you say? Well, first of all, I always come from gratitude and here's why. If someone is kind enough to allow me to help them buy where they're going to live, that's a huge honor in my mind. When somebody says to me, if you and Julie were working, so Steve, we want you to help us buy a house. That's a tremendous responsibility because this is where you are going to raise your kids. Where you're going to have your holidays, where your family's going to come. What schools your kids are going to go to and what Friends they're going to have. If someone is kind enough to say, I'll work with you to buy a house. Then you've got to give them that honor when there are past clients. They're not a piece of meat. They're not. There are clients that's going to help you move your business forward. So think about this Tim. And your real estate career, have you ever had a person give you a referral? Yes. They gave you 6, 8, ten, $12,000. That's like someone walking down the string go. You're Tim Harris. Yes. Here's $10,000. Why? I like you. If somebody handed you 10,000 on the street, that'd be a story you'd be telling the rest of your life. Yes, absolutely. And yet a buyer comes to you and says, hey, work with me for a little bit of time and I'll make you $10,000. And we treat them like they're a customer at the Dollar General. So I know my past clients, I know the personality styles. I know where they work. So when I call them, Tim, it's your realtor powers. That's how I start everything. Good morning, Tim, it's your realtor Steve powers. Because I like to think they know me as Steve, I've sold 4000 houses. They don't know me. So I give them my name, your realtor Steve powers. How are you enjoy doing? How's your baby doing? So I start out recognizing that you're a person and I know you. Then I see who you want know that wants to move. Shall we do a role play? And they love role plays, Steve. You ready? Yep. All right. I'm going to do the easy one. I'm not working. I'm going to be the person. You know I want to give you the hard role. You know, it's funny when I coach the elbows want me to do the hard sound like that. So you got to hit the ball. Exactly. Hey, coach, teach me how to swim, jump in the pool. All right. Hello? Hi, Tim, it's your realtor Steve powers. How are you this morning? I'm doing great, Steve. That's wonderful. How's Joey? Oh, she's wonderful. She has got back from tennis practice. Wow. That's fantastic. So she still loves tennis, yeah? Yes, she does. Now do you ever play with her? You let her do that on her own. I am terrible at tennis and she just gets too much pleasure out of watching me swing like a fool, so I stopped playing with her just out of preservation of my ego. Well, I think you're smarter than most of us because my wife likes to play golf. And I try to go out there with her and honestly, I don't think it's good for our marriage. I think sometimes it's best to have them do something separate that they're better at than us and we do think separate as well, yeah? Absolutely, yeah. For sure. Tim, you're so great to pick up the phone. It's Friday morning. I know you weren't sitting around hoping I would call. Do you have a quick minute? I do, Steve. You know, Tim interest rates right now are at Abe Lincoln levels. I mean, they're so low and the prices are so high. So I'm calling to see, who do you know in your neighborhood or your family that might consider selling in the next year? Well, you know, now I think about it. I happen to know the guy that bought the house next door to us. He actually owns the house across the street and he hasn't said that. And he hasn't put that house for sale. And I know another guy that lives down the street who I talked to two years ago who said he'd probably put his house for sale and he hasn't sold it yet. So those are, I mean, just off the top of my head those are a couple. But, you know, Steve, honestly, with Julie, you're going to want to call her because she's going to know, you know, a lot more people than me. Absolutely. And thank you so much for those two people that might need our help now. You stay across the street. If you're at your front door, is it to the right or left across the street? You know, it all texts you their name and their address. All right, excellent. And the person you said two streets over, do you have their name and phone number in your HOA directory? It's one street. And I do, yeah, I can get that for you. No problem. Nice. All right, perfect. Tim, are you going to be home in about two hours? Yeah. All right, let's do this because I have an appointment with someone about a half a mile away from you. Why don't you gather the information? I'm going to stop by in about two hours. You want a cup of Starbucks or anything? Make it, too. I just giving you two leads. I get two cups of coffee. You got two cups. That's right. It's not for a second. If this is the unicorn, if I get somebody who gives me this, I'm not gonna wait for them to text. I'm going to go to their house and I'm going to make you give them to me. Because if not, then you and I have ten, did you get that name? I'll try later. And then I'm chasing you forever. Someone like you who's kind enough to give me two leads like this in the neighborhood. This is gold. This is once a year stop guys. This doesn't happen. Because most of the time, what I get from Tim is what I hear from my wife. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. All right, thanks. Thanks for Gregg. Because that's what happens most of the time. I don't know. We're not moving, none of my family is. I remember me if I know somebody Steve, and that's okay as well. But guys, just to break on this role play, if somebody has given you a lead across the street and Tim did you notice I said, if you're at your front door, is it across right or left? What color is the front door? 'cause I'm gonna go door knock that son of a gun. Well, any meats are fleeting. And yeah, they are. And they have it, but here's the other thing. If you did not, if you were not proactive in going and getting that information from me, then that's going to create awkwardness in their relationship forever. Someone like, when you see me and I see you you psychologically, you're going to start thinking when you see me at Starbucks, you know, Tim said he's got leads for me, but he's never gave them to me, and I'm going to think, well, I think I somehow promised Steve something and I forgot to follow up, but just weird. So if someone offers you something, your urgency is definitely a home run. And the other thing is, you know, who do you know who's thinking about buying or selling or truthfully? Who do you know this thing about selling? That I should be helping. And that I should be helping part at the end. It does two things. One softens the question a little bit, but it makes it for most agents who are uncomfortable asking for something and makes it so that now that they're comfortable. The amiable and the analytical types. Steve, who do you know or whom do you know that I used to be who do you whom do you know is thinking about selling your home that I should be helping? And then you can tag into this market or whatever. But if you ask it and you kind of nerf up the question a little bit, generally speaking that's going to get an interesting favorable response because it's subconscious too, right? Subconscious in the question, ask for his mind and the person receiving the question. And that's something everyone can do. And Steve, if they're uncomfortable, picking up the phone, which is interesting and maybe you can help me understand this. Why is it that people more willing to doorknock than they are making phone calls, even though door knocking so much less efficient as far as time allocation? Why do you think that's true? Well, because some people are more comfortable face to face, you know, I love the door knock. I'm under 6 feet tall. When I door knock, I'm not imposing. I'm a great door knocker. I've got great script, great smile. I wear a door knocking outfit. I have a whole routine, so I can pat myself down and don't give out a card. But if you're good a door knocking, you can kill because you had 250 people to your sphere from door knocking. Those are tight people. Those are tight. They've met you. If you're great at prospecting in a phone, do it. But you got to do one or the other, because being on Facebook isn't going to do it. Let's go back for a second Tim on the role play. You said it. I said I'll say it's slightly different. I drilled down the questions. The average person moves every 7 to ten years. So the chance Tim that you're going to move on this call in the next 90 days are not that great. But you know 200 people. So you're going to learn of 20 or 30 people that are going to move in the next year. And I've got to get you to think about referring my name out. Now there's two types of personality styles that refer amiable as an expressive. Amos refer out guys because they want to help people express this refer out because they want to look good. So when I talk to an expressive ten, who could you see in your neighborhood? Who have you seen? Where do you look that you find someone that wants to sell their house in next year? Who do you see I can help? I use look and see they're very visual because it's all about Tim looking good. But the amiable it's about helping them. And so I drill down. What about your family Tim? Sisters brothers aunts, uncles, who are you going to see over the holidays that needs my help either this fall or maybe next year? See, I'm drilling down. So when you're a Thanksgiving and you're hearing your sisters having her fourth baby and they have to buy a new house, you're going to say, my realtor said this was going to happen. So I'm kind of planting the sea. It's awesome dude. This is mastercraft. I love it. So here's the thing also, Steve, but I want to go back to this. It's a need at this point in you and me to obviously call or door knock or direct communication. But so many agents are getting into this industry and they're never being told, they're being almost I mean lied to as well, I perceive it that they never have to develop those direct communication skills. You can mail people. You can digitally market to people. You can throw people in the funnels. You can drift campaign people. What do you say to an agent that is, has that mindset when they approach you? I'm sure you've dealt with that. People that are needing to be deprogrammed before they're actually willing to do the real work of real estate. How do you help somebody bridge the gap if they've been on this, you know, technological digital bridge for so long and they're realizing, you know what? I'm not getting where I wanted to be. I'm listening to what Steven and timber say, I know intuitively that I need to be communicating directly. How do I make that transition? What are you, but it's hard, right? So how do you know it's hard? Well, 'cause it's a new skill set. It's like going from baseball to volleyball. It's still ball, but it's totally different. Being technologically advanced and using Instagram Facebook and promote is wonderful. Guys, if you're using click funnels and you're using Google service ads, good for you. One of the things I do is I'll say Tim, tell me all the things you're doing for your media, social media. And then I got hold on, let me write it down. I write it all down. I go, wow, that's fantastic. Tell me, honestly, how many hours a week do you spend on it? So Tim say ten. Ten. Nice. That's a good number. The average agent works 50 to 55 hours a week. So if we say 50, minus your ten, because I don't want you to stop that. What do you plan to do the other 40 hours to make money? I'm going to make TikTok videos of me dancing. There you go. And how has that worked out? And why are you willing to try something? It's just a series of questions to get you to realize. But if they're talking about it, they realize it's not working. I have people that come to me all the time and they're like, you know, I've been stuck at the same level. And I well, okay, let's talk. And before I'll talk to someone about joining me at Watson powers coaching. I'm going to do research because I don't want to spend an hour with someone. I had a wonderful gentleman last night, and we're talking about his wife because they're a team. I researched everything on him, and he does enough Facebook that it's not his dominant way. And he does enough Instagram. It's not as dominant way. And his little reviews are good. And is Google reviews are good. And they do about 45 deals a year and I can help them get to 200 next year. But they don't spend all their time on it. They just don't know what to do otherwise. My new puppy. Like the beer, not like their lady. Here and stop. Karen likes what you're saying. She's very enthusiastic. So, okay, let's move let's move the conversation for it. I've been writing down questions based on what she's trying to protect you, Steve, that's a good dog. My wife adopted her. I think you did two brother. It was a beautiful, beautiful German Shepherd. So we talked about centers of influence and past clients. We could talk about that for the next thousand years easily. And you're right. That is absolutely the first thing that we tell people to do too. It's the lowest hanging fruit. It's the easiest conversation to have. Hopefully you're, you know, okay. Let's set that aside. All right, I've got that widget working. I'm working it. I'm calling them. I'm doing that as part of a scheduled daily routine. I'm starting to get results from that. And if I wanted to add Julian I call them spokes on a wheel, right? So your first spoke is your center of influenza past clients. If I wanted to add another spoke, what would that spoke be? Go visit for sub honors every Sunday. Yeah. You know, the whole purpose of being with a biona is to be there when they're sick of it when they're tired of it when the buyer called them and said, hi, mister seller. My wife and I can't buy your house, the bank says we need something called a job. So we can't buy your house. And they're desponding because they were banking on that. So one of the things you want to do is every Sunday go to for sale by owners. And, you know, you go from past clients and sphere who love you to the group that absolutely doesn't love us. Except that one out of ten, my owners list every week. So you got a one in ten chance of being in front of a buy owner who's gonna hire someone. So the script is relatively simple. How long will you go selling by honor before you decide to hire an agent like myself? And then, again, working Sunday Night. I'm going to call them all. Hi Tim, you were kind enough to allow me to come to your open house that you're doing by owner, curious, what contract did you accept? Say, I don't say you have somebody interested because somebody interested. Curious, what contract did you accept? So Tim, what are you going to say? What contract did I accept? I don't really, I mean, they had the lenders letter. And so that's the company write you a contract to buy your house today? No, but I have some people telling me they're going to and I have some investors say they're going to make me all cash offers. Okay, well, you know the investor offers are going to come between 1665%. So why don't I stop buying in an hour and show you how I can actually get you a real contract, I'll see you in an hour. So a 100% and a 100% for sale by hunters should be the next one because again, Steve, let's just look at this from a practical perspective. Agents are spending and the number is billions of dollars on what it essentially is lead generation every year. Zillow and all the rest of them, right? There's billions of dollars being spent on lead generation. And here it is, in your marketplace, there are a list of people who have their hands up in the air right now saying, yes, I want to sell my home. This is my phone number. I want to sell my home. And we know statistically the most for sale by owners end up listing with an agent. And we know we know statistically that most for sale by owners are for sale by honoring because they don't know an agent. So if you're in the age of the calls, then you follow an organized systematic approach. You're not going to get all of them, but you're going to get a lot of them. And those leaders are free. It does take your time, but those leads don't cost you anything. And one for sale by owner, how many different opportunities can come from that? I mean, senators have influenced a past client aside. That's visible, you might sell it yourself. They might end that physical seller might end up buying a house from you. The downstream benefits from just learning how to be a productive lead generator after you've got your centers of influenza past client setup and starting to focus on for sale by owners is extraordinary. And think about this Tim at the commission is ten grand to keep it metrically simple. And you get 6 a year. You work three Sundays every month, and you had 6 closings. Who the heck has a job working three hours on a Sunday for $60,000 a year? That's unfathomable in the real world. It is. Again, going back to the zeros. I'm going to go visit a lot of my owners and every month or two I'll pick one up. I get 60 year I get 60,000. Now I got past clients I can call. I got a sold sign I can work with. Hello, Karen. So the nice part is, is that by owners as Tim said, why are you looking for someone wants to sell the house? It's me. The downside is they don't like realtors. Now the good news is, most of our competition is so bad that you'll stand out when you get there. And if you call them back at night or sometimes when I feel there's a need, what time's your open house till say 5 o'clock then? You know what I'm gonna do for you. I've got two mother appointments. I'm gonna swing back at 5 o'clock. If you have an offer, I'll be able to help you make sure you get a great offer. If not, I'll see how I can help you sell the house. And if they let you come back at 5 o'clock, what does that mean? Yeah, you're gonna get that listing. But there's obviously there's you and I are just what we're trying to do is motivate people, agents to actually start building businesses that are based on proactively generation. And the ultimate output of what we all prescribe to, it's going to result in huge profit margins. And that's the other thing, Steve and the decades that we've been doing this in joy and I and all, you know, it's shocking. Agents have normalized these single digits in some cases, barely double digit net profit margins because they buy leads because they spend all their money and branding and marketing because they spend all their money on building teams and then adding buyers ages. Guys, all of those things have a place in the industry. But if you're really looking to start look, why is there an over 90% failure rate in real estate after 24 months? It's because they're not learning how to do the proactively generation. Everything that Steve and I were just the ideas were sharing with you guys. Intellectually, intuitively even. You can see why these things are the next natural step for all of you to be doing in order to build your real estate businesses. And yet, what's going to happen as soon as you're done listening to this? And by the way, we're not trying to sell you anything. We're just trying to help you. Now if you get done listening to this conversation, just what this is, I'm having fun, hopefully Steve is too. I know his dog has a dog's having a blast. But so how many of you are going to get an email or a call from somebody trying to sell you a lead and you're going to say, yes, I'll buy that lead for 30 or 40%, even though at a discount commission, yes, I'm going to decide to chase that shiny object or that shiny object or that shiny object. Guys, billions of dollars are spent every single year in the industry by agents who are trying to avoid the real work of real estate. And that's, you know, that is a fact. And what does that lead to? What's the output? Over 90% of all agents bail within 24 months. And Jillian I have a theory because we watched the total number just I won't get into the reads of it. But we think the longevity of the average agent coming into the industry is now less than 24 months. We believe that the average agent in the business is in the business at paying nardos basically. We can validate this for about a year and a half. So you're seeing the longevity of most agents coming into the business shrink. So you get into the business and what's the first thing that an inexperienced coach or office manager is going to tell you to. Bailey's buyer buyer leads. What do you think about that when someone says, I'm going to buy it by or at least? That's my soapbox. But here's the key. If somebody gave me a lead of a buyer who wanted to buy the house this week, and I'm the only one with the lead. I got a chance. Bingo, but when Google sells you an ad, buyer lead, it's you and 50 others. If you're in Dave Ramsey, in my market, there's 31 day Ramsay people. So when Dave Ramsey gives me a lead for their 30% pause off, 30 other people are competing for the lead. And the one who will cut their fees the most gets it. It's a simple number, guys. If you're calling 20 houses on the street, three pick up. Is that a fair statement Tim? Yes, sir. Who's talking to the other 17? The guy or gal who gets in their car knocks on their door, looks presentable, does a great script. The average person moves every 7 years. Every 7th House you go to. That person won't be there next year. And if you're warm and you have a professional script and you do your job correctly, they will let you know. Now we're not moving this year. So you're moving next year? Yes. Let's you and I become best friends, then next year you'll hire me. So guys, it's a simple business. Go where everyone else isn't to find the people no one else is talking to. That's why we work on Sunday Night. That's why we go door knocking. Exactly. And everyone, you know, love this point, but everyone is what everyone is talking about and whatever it is doing, don't do that. And when you're and I know you experienced this as well, when you're talking to Jade mills, you're talking to some of these top producing agents around the country. What they're doing is they're calling people and they're making that they hold themselves accountable as a coach holds them accountable to making a certain number of contacts. They're calling people. They might do the ancillary marketing stuff. And agents, that's what you see. You see the ancillary marketing stuff. You see the bright shiny things that they're doing. And you think that's what they're doing already to get the business. They're not getting the business that way for the most part. They're reinforcing the business that they're getting from their proactively generation. So your postcards that you mail out, you said, I may hold out a thousand postcards. I'm just waiting for the lead supply. I know leads come in. You're doing it again. You do it again. You do it again. You do it again. Month 6 then you spent 6 grand. You called postcard companies say, where are my least? They're going to say Steve, you just need to do it for another 6 months. You do it for another 6 months. You call again, no leads. Stab you just need to do it for another 6 months. Another 6 months there. It's always there. Dude, you got it. But guess what's happened? You've been in the business 18 months. And now you're basically looking for a job. That is the reality of real estate. And it's painful. And it's sad. And I find it offensive that like there's two schools of thoughts, right? Like the people that are telling agents this either don't know better or they do know better, but they're putting their own private. They're putting their own finances and financial goals ahead of the client. What do you think it is or is it both? I think it's both. A lot of it is, the brokers don't know better. I mean, you and I have seen, there are companies where if you're in real estate for a year and you have 5 sales, you need a team. Well, that's insane. The broker wants you to have a team because they want to sell their parent companies, websites, t-shirts, all the $5 wages they can to make money. Or the broker doesn't know. I've been to this real estate thing north of 20 years. I have seen tens of thousands of agents. And I've seen the worst agents I've ever dealt with, open their own brokerage. And then the agents who go to work for them are not trained at any level. So they're being told what you got to do post guards, you got to do ads because the broker doesn't know any better. See, you want to know the way up the mountain, talk to somebody coming down. Don't talk to your broker, who did ten deals a year for 5 years and open a brokerage, call Tim call me. Find an agent who's doing 50 deals to beg borrow and steal their lunch. I don't care. When I first got into Virginia from Massachusetts, my financial planner said, you got to meet those guys. The number one financial planner in the world. And I said, what makes them great? He goes, I don't know. He'll never meet with me. It took me a year and a half of calling almost every ten days. And I said, your favorite charity is this. I have a check for $5000. Will you go to lunch with me and I'll give this to your charity? Well, he did. He was so gracious. He told me about things to add a higher level. And then I hand in the check and he ripped it up and he wrote his own check. He said, no. Someday, you're going to need to give somebody 5000. I can afford it because I really couldn't afford the 5000. And he was so gracious. So you got to find people doing 25 30, 40 deals. And those are the people you emulate because those are the ones who are pushing, not the three deals every 6 month person. You can't let anything from them. So the trickiness is if they're doing their 25 40 50, even a hundred deals, but they're buying all their leads and they have no net profit. Don't copy those people. Don't copy them. Don't copy him, because as soon as the market Bart's basically, they're going to be so beholden to buying business, that they're not. They're basically going to go broke. And that's what happens. Every time there's even a slight downturn in real estate. So being proactively generator, like you've got clients like this too, right? The people that are consistent at prospect and consistent proactive lead generation consistent in keeping their numbers of listings up, those guys and gals, if they get rich, I mean, genuinely multi millionaires. And this is when you were talking, this is what I was thinking. There's a great Warren Buffett quote. Is that America loves to celebrate the comeback story, right? The gala guy that made it lost at Boston Boston. I mean, like, movies about those people, right? Books about those people. That's it. Man. But Warren loves to see. He said, I'd love to celebrate the guy or the gal that made it, never lost it and kept on increasing what they had created. But isn't that fascinating that's almost ingrained to our brains that we think we have to have success and failure. Success than failure. In real estate, you see that in good month or good quarter, bad quarter. Good month, backward. And then you go and ask all the people around you and they'll say, well, that's how it is. You know, you better. And so agents burn through their savings. They have nothing to show for it. They get behind in their taxes. And then they're thinking, oh my God, out of desperation. I need to start buying by our leads. This is the insanity of it all when you're not building a business that's proactively generation based. Yeah, that's why I said earlier. One of the first things I do is get everyone to add 250 people to this fear. Every year because they have a shelf life. Absolutely. If you do a good job, you add someone to your sphere and you have a moderate follow-up program. I mean, you keep in touch with them. And you work them through a good script. They'll give you 1520, 25, 30 deals next year. And then you add another two 50, and there's another 20. You're guaranteed 25 years a year by adding 250 people. And Tim, the average person works about 250 days. So how many people do they need to add every day? What? One, one. All you have to do, the coaching clients I have, one of the things I do in the beginning of college, how many people do you actually share this week? I have a wonderful commercial broker. I'm working with. And there have been analytical because they love the crunch numbers. And I'm requiring him every day to meet someone new about anything commercial and then send me the email about this guy or gal who owns the property. And in less than 60 days, he's picked up 35 new people that he can now call on anytime he wants about commercial property. Guys, it's one a day. One a day. And you're going to be fine. So there's agents listening right now. Your driver types, let's just, you know, tee it up for you. You already know this, obviously, that like okay, here's a good example. Greg Newman, I don't know if he still is the number one or number two or three Prudential agent in the country. You know Greg, I have some. And he will and we had an event in I don't remember what year it's a long time ago. Is in Laguna Beach and it was at the Montage. I remember that. And Greg was on stage and I asked I was interviewing Greg. And I asked him about senators of influence in past clients. He said he has never worked on ever ever, ever. He said he'd rather basically just spend all of us, you know, I don't know if he I doubt if he's changed. I bet he still just goes after direct calling. And there's been other great agents that will never work their centers of influence in past clients. But he said, this is interesting. It's his greatest regret not having done that to start out with. So that's I'm trying to wrap up that particular aspect of our conversation. The guys it is my work if there's a bunch of expired with John canceled and expired. You know, if there's 50 expires a day, guys, that's 1500 a month. You can pick up one or two a month to make a good living. But in most markets, there's one a day. You can't make a living. I coach this great guy in Detroit. And we went into the reo section where the bank four closures are coming. And I said, well, you got to call your past clients. He goes, I don't like to call my past clients, you know, that's all mushy mushy talk. I just want to slam bam, thank you, man. I want to call, make your point move on. I just want to turn and burn. And I said, well, at the end of the call, it wasn't going well. And I said to him, and I won't use his name. And he's a wonderful guy. I said, blank. You're like a professional dodo bird hunter. He said, what's a dodo birth? Look at that, we'll talk next week. The next week he's a driver. There's no gosh darn dodo bird. Donald birds are extinct. We ate her two extinction. How the heck can you be a professional dodo bird hunter if there's no dodo birds? How can you make a living on expired if there's no expires? That's awesome. So if you have expired cancer withdrawn, work them, 'cause they are fast. If there's bi owners not selling, work them. But as Greg said, a database gives you constant income. All the time. They're out selling you. They're conduits. Think about you got a hundred pounds kinds of sphere. They know 200 people. Guys, that's 20,000 people. We just need a few of those deals. Well, that's the only asset, right? I mean, a real estate, a real estate practice, right? There is really no value to a real estate practice. People generally speaking don't sell their brand and all that. But your centers of influence and past client list, that has value. And that does give you. But even at that, but let's transition. So you are about to make a big announcement. I think it's going to, frankly, I don't think it will surprise anybody because you're a smart Ford thinking guy. But you have decided to align with EXP royalty. Absolutely. And I know you are taught you were talking to Sean, because about that. And Shaka cusa also is a huge name. You know, he was president of maps coaching at Keller Williams and he's another somebody who was a journeyman coach like all the rest of us, right? Right. And so you decide you decide to align with EXP royalty. And you and I just chatted a little bit about it, but it was fascinating to me when you started to make and I went through the same process of years ago. When you started to make the mental connections between what your coaching people to do and what EXP relative provides for agents as far as creating additional financial passive sources of income. Can you I remember on the phone with you when Sean had me on with you, I could feel when you had those connections being formed. Do you mind sharing with the listeners? What were the what are you thinking now, EXP realty, you're an EXP relative agent. You obviously are going to want to encourage your coaching clients to take a serious look at EXP royalty. Where's your mind at? It's funny. If I can not take a step back, I got a call call from Sean, two years ago. Yeah, right? I mean, I was in the car. My wife, my wife drives everywhere. She's had two back surgery. She drives. I sit in the passenger seat. So I can work. And I remember, we were somewhere in North Carolina, I stay power salka coasta and we had a nice conversation. As Sean is very polite, very professional and well scripted. And we are chatting. I said, none with Sean, I hang up on sales calls in the first minute or two. I like to listen because I like to learn. We've been on the phone for 20 minutes. I'm taking notes how good he was on a script, because when I would ask a question, he had a great answer. And I said, you know, I'm not looking to move now, Sean, because I have my broker's license in Florida. It's in the referral company at a wonderful company, but I'm not really that active. I do all referral phase because I'm coaching. But let me look into it. And he sent me to why Libra cost dot com or something like that. And then I was like, it was the beginning of the transition. I got a phone call a cold call. He realized I was going to make a move. He stayed in touch, very similar to real estate. I find somebody wants to move in two years. Stay in touch. Then Sean called me, gave me some more information. And it was just enough information for me to keep looking. My son and I started power line prospecting this year in Florida. And I said to my son, will, we're gonna open a real estate company in January. Because we're going to have these hundred people working for us and they're going to want to go into real estate. So let's just open one next door. They can transition. And I said, I've looked at all the companies well. I've looked at remax and KW and compass and, you know, I've been doing this guys for north of 20 years and I've know a little bit about the industry. And my son said to me, why XP? And I gave him a four answers, which were basically the answers that Sean gave me. I said, because it's easy. It makes us more money keeps his client retention for the buyer's agents and the agents that come to work for us. And it gives them something for the future. So there's no reason to leave us. Because the biggest cost for a real estate broker is turnover. Yep. And so when I looked at all the models, EXP was the future for what we needed and I think for most people. And then of course, because I'm going to do this with my son, I had the responsibility to look at the long term because I looked at different EXP branches, and that's how I went back to Sean. And when I talked to Sean last year, I said to him, Sean, if I decide, Julie, what the heck is it that you made for us for dinner last night? It was incredible. It was like a breaded buffalo chicken, it was so good. And you know, the thing is with every plate, it was so much easier than I thought it was gonna be. So here's what really impressed me. Not only did you and I like it. Not only did my mom who lives with us liked it, but Zoe loved it. The picky eater. The picky eater, the 7 half year old, and that was incredible. It's less than 30 minutes, which is faster than a trip to the grocery store and faster than trying to throw something together from scratch. So if you're like us and you're extremely busy and you really have this omnipresent feeling of guilt for not really spending enough time preparing really healthy meals level and spending time with your family, this is the perfect excuse to solve both problems. That's true and you know, we've tried other things besides every plate and I got to be a little bit boring and repetitive. With every plate, there's a changing menu of 14 recipes per week, and that features a range of flavors and ingredients just 1.99 per meal, all you have to do is go to every plate dot com and enter the code REC one 99. Go to every plate dot com and enter the code word REC one 99. That gives you the discount of 1.99 per meal, and it's a perfect way for you to try out what's going to become a new permanent family member in our family, which is every plate. Just get started. A dollar 99 for meal, that's crazy. To open a real estate company in with EXP, it'll be through you. And then remember I told you last week you said, why Sean? Because I gave Sean my word. I'm real big about keeping my work. So my son and I are quite excited. My son was going through the things going, oh my gosh, this is going to be so good. The people that come work for us are going to make so much money. But then they start to look at the deeper part. EXP has all the technology. So the buyer's agents can get on training almost every hour of the day and learn something of value. So in a nutshell, I was cold called, I was led follow up. The product was excellent. I researched it. It was a no brainer. You know, you and I again, we've been in the business forever. I've never seen anything. Anything. Maybe the beat might truthfully maybe buy our lead selling, but that buyer leads selling thing. Took off in 2007 and just came back down and got over saturated. I have never seen a brokerage or I've never seen any business in real estate that's grown like EXP that has the 15 different countries. They're 63 or 64,000 agents right now. It's extraordinary. And to be part of something that's growing like that, it is incredible, right? It's so motivational because around all these other people like you like Sean and you know, you mentioned that other people in the so it's incredible. It's attracting the best and the brightest of the past generations and the attracting the best and the brightest of the future generations. Yeah, and I agree there's so many incredible things. You mentioned the best night. I hope the team and one of the people on their coach and she's an agent. And so I said to her, just feeling things out. You guys have been with EXP for about 16 months. How's it working for us? She goes, oh my God, it's so much better than the other company we worked at. And I won't mention it, but it rhymes with limax. And she said, she said, I've already got a $100,000 in stock. Yeah. She goes, I never leave any XP. Well, that's what I need. I need my agents not to want to leave because of a shiny object of 1% more somewhere else. Totally. And from a coaching perspective and coaches, if you're listening to this right now and you're worried about transitioning over the EXP and you're thinking that somehow you're going to alienate your coaching clients, the exact opposite is true. Because you got to realize what EXP is offering. So if you are in the business and you're pious intrusive purpose in this planet, if you have service to your coaching client, and you don't introduce them to EXP, whether they make the decision to go or not, that's their decision. But if you don't do it, you're out of integrity. Because EXP creates Glenn sandford said this, right? There's two things agents don't do well, pay their taxes and save money. Well, EXP realty does things for you despite you. Like most people have no, you know, genetic predisposition to a save money. Most people if they have 60 to 90 days of financial security, they're good. They're done, right? They're not going to think beyond that. They can't visualize the future versions of themselves. EXP squared that away because of the stock awards because of the revenue share, because of all the other things. But if those things are too obtuse for you, but one of the greatest attributes of the XP frankly is the technology is the support. Is the fact that in many cases you're going to put a lot more money in your pocket. I mean, Steve, if you're an icon agent, right? Effectively, you're going to your camp is 16,000. Once you cap, you sell an additional 20 units or have a total GCI 500 grand. This is someone who's, you know, being successful in real estate, you get that cap back. In the form of EXP I stock. I've known people in our coaching company who were icons multiple times, right? It's a calendar year thing. And now they have millions of dollars in EXP I stock. So that is that right there, when you get that, it's amazing because the old conversation is what are you paying your broker? The new conversation has to be. What is your broker paying you? I don't want to hear any more about this is an agent centric brokerage because we provide all this care and love and support for our agents. Okay, what do you actually doing to take care of them if they can't work anymore? What are you doing to make it so that they can have a legacy financially from the money that they contribute to their churches and charities? And frankly, the wealth that they build for themselves and future generations. Their grandchildren and whatnot. That's agent centric. That's what we should be talking about. So yeah, man, it's incredible. And I appreciate the fact that you joined EXP realty too, because it is the way forward. There's no two ways about that at this point. The other companies, you know, and the way I looked at it, EXP has very little brook and mortar. Basically a company are like Sears. They have all the anchor stores, but no customers. I worked at a Berkshire Hathaway company. We had every office out of manager and a system manager. We had four or 5 vice presidents a president a CEO, and then an owner. And there's so much overhead that has to be covered with the broker fee. If you're a C 21, you got 6% plus other fees. When I looked at EXP, one of the reasons is because I was always wondering, how am I getting this money? And it just dawned on me. They don't have the overhead. We don't have 600 presidents and 5000 vice presidents and big buildings everywhere that the ages have to support, which doesn't return. The overhead is very small in the XP. And that's why they can afford this sharing of the revenue. Well, you just so it's a national brokerage. There's not a franchise. And because it's virtual, all of the, so when you're selling franchisees, the people that start the brokerage, they're getting a piece of agent commission. There's the person that owns the region. There might be somebody else up here. And then there's all the essentially the cost of running the brokerage from wherever the mothership is. All of that, that's the reason agents are on commission splits and typically pay additional fee on top of that a royalty or reference called. And you actually look at the money I'm out of money you're paying. And some agents have caps, some agents don't have cow. It's extraordinary. And so some agents will say , well, my cap is $18,000 or $20,000, right? But what you're not realizing if the loss of the compounding interest you could have gotten, had you actually not only gotten your cat back because you icon, but let's just say the difference between your cap between and you're not going to icon. Let's just say the difference between your cap is $10,000. If you take that 10,000 here, could you have done something with that $10,000? Could you have invested that? Could you put money into taking your kids to a vacation or something, right? It does matter. These things do matter because accumulates. If you're in the business for ten years and you've been overpaying your broker for that amount of time, that could have been money that you'd saved. If that money was in stock market or something that's going to, maybe you could have bought a rental property with that. You guys get it? This matters. I get the fact that you love your brokerage and you love the people in your brokerage. And that's fantastic. But you got into business, why did you get into business? It's really the top question. Most of you got into the business because you wanted to experience a sense of freedom. You wanted to get the sense of not having that financial monkey on your back. So if you get into if you had passive income coming in enough to cover your own personal overhead, that right there will make most of you financially free. Our deaf Julie and I that's it, right? So if most agent Steve had $7500 coming in, depending on the market, it could even be less. That would set them free to do so many more things that their lives. But if nothing else would make them enjoy their life more because that financial monkey wasn't omnipresent on their back. What do you think of? You hit it. I mean, if the saving is only 10,000, every 5 years, you give me 50,000, I can buy a rental unit. So in ten years, I have two rental units in 20 years I have four. I like my brokerage, but do I want to stay here and give up for rental properties for the rest of my life? Because the rental properties can compound. And so it comes down to if your business person, and you're in real estate, then you've got to look at what's best for you. EXP, the numbers work so much better because it's designed around each agent making more by providing more. So I'm going to do two things, guys. I'm going to put a link in the description and I'll tell you what the link is. It's going to be why liver toss dot com forge slash Steve. Why? Libertas. So it's WHY, liver toss, which means freedom in Latin. ER, TAS dot com slash Steve. And Steve, I'm going to ask you to ask you this prior to us starting. I would like for you to give your cell phone number right now so they can call you and ask you questions about having you sponsor them at EXP. Obviously, sponsored by Steve powers, which in my opinion is one of the most fantastic real estate coaches in the nation. You guys have this guy as your sponsor. You guys have this guy, someone who's going to help you mentor you and coach you and your real estate business. You are going to increase your likelihood of succeeding. Exactly, it's going to go up, right? So Steve, what is your cell phone number, so they can all make it easy on you? They're going to text, do not call you. So whatever text him, well, you're going to get a lot of calls. Okay. All right. There you go. I have you mail. So you leave a message and I'll call you back. I'm a full-time agent. This is what I do. I coach. I sell. I have a prospecting company with my son. Either I'm working or I'm playing. This afternoon, I'm picking up my boat. I've got a jetski about 60 feet away. I'm riding that. If I don't pick up the call, I'm having fun when I'm done fun, I'll call you back. 7 5 7 7 one 9 four three two 9 7 5 7 7 one 9 four three two 9. So here's the deal. If you're EXP curious, click the link below and go to why libertas dot com slash Steve. If you're ready to enroll and you're ready to join and you're looking for a sponsor who's obviously going to be very proactive in your success at EXP, please text or call Steve directly in the number is. 7 5 7, 7 one 9 four three two 9. All right, cool. So anything else you'd like to say these guys is we wrap up. You know, we've been on for almost 90 minutes. It's not incredible. My God, if you've been on this for 90 minutes, either a, you want to do really well in real estate. So you're liking the information and of course you like EXP. Or B, you have no desire to do anything in life and you'll watch anything. I'm hoping it's a to see. They don't know how to turn the video off and they're just waiting for the pain to end. And so I'll leave you with this, which is a coaching point. Tim, let me ask you a question. Is somebody in your market going to buy or sell a house today? Yes, sir. Are they going to call you or do you need to find out who they are? I'm probably going to have to find out who they are. So let's end this. Why don't you and this by getting on the phone, go to door knocking, find the person who wants to buy or sell today? Let them know that you have the expertise to help them. And then we both win, don't we? Yeah, that's true. We do. Cool. Hey guys, listen, we really appreciate it. This is a big announcement. And Steve, again, I didn't ask you about this, but I'm feeling to say yes. So we're going to announce we're going to start a new podcast, in addition to real estate coaching radio, which is the nation's number one listen to daily podcast, Julia and I and our podcast that between 15 and 20 million downloads off the check. So we're going to start a complimentary podcast, the sort of milk toast title I've got for this or the name I've got for it is coach's corner, but we're going to have Steve, so Steve you're formally being bid right now. Tim and Julie, you're going to have Orlando Montreal, who's the number one Hispanic coach in the United States, at least the United States. Sean casca Eric orland, and we're all going to get on and what we're going to do. Ready for it, Steve? Live coaching. So we're going to do live instagrams and live facebooks and people are going to enter the questions and we're going to answer their questions. And what will it be fascinating is even though you and I mostly we have the same philosophy, right? It's called comic sense. But some of the other coaches, they're going to take a more passive marketing based approach to the suggestions that they'll give and we'll bounce all of it out. And I think it could be a really great series. That is going to start effectively, I'm guessing probably next week of the week after that. We're just gonna start it. Cool. Ready? Thanks for joining. Thanks everybody. You guys have a great day. See you later. This podcast is a part of the C suite radio network. For more top business podcasts, visit C suite radio dot com.
Dreams Talk & Sleep Walks
"Who rented sacs of Flesh molded by the darkest Shadows within the deepest cruising along given the power to broadcast to deliver a horrifying laughter to your ears. You or your hockey got Chrome at Nick and Josh the river? Hey everybody. This is exciting. This is our first episode we are doing video with so if you're watching on YouTube Welcome, and if you're listening on your regular platform also welcome today is episode is going to be about sleep and what I mean by that is, you know, sleep sleepwalking dreaming all sorts of things like that. It's not exactly scary but it's a good way to like wind it down a little bit before things get Scary For Real at your Halloween celebrations. Whatever that may be in this weird weird time, we're in so she had some pretty cool videos of a candy Delivery Systems that the guy like little thrown Little Ghost of candy at the site. Oh, yes. I love that. Hey, but the problem with that though is there's not going to be very many people doing it. Like know most most houses aren't so it's going to be kind of annoying because if if let's say one per Person on the street does that and people feel safe going there? There's only going to be like one house that's giving out candy and the other ones are not getting very many people trick-or-treating cuz they're scared of colon. So yeah wage but it is cool. I would be cool if there was like a neighborhood that like banded together and they all of a sudden to just like do it this way and then told everybody that they were going to do that and then they should have a normal Halloween. But as far as I know no one here is doing any of the any of that at all. Yeah. I mean last year no kids not a single kid came to the house and he often come down the street even so I mean why it's kind of dead around here. I have no idea alligators, man. They're getting them. They animal. To God. All right. Well, I'm going to start off with our note were these and actually I want you to start cuz as you age, It's really hard on this and I'm so proud of you. Just so proud. Thank you know it's so we got our website going mindless morning show.com. Yeah school and not just that but we also got the merchandise shop set up as well which you can get to from the website or you can find it on redbubble.com home. Yes. So everything by everything. Yeah, we have we have made Mass specifically to put a smile on your face with our logo and everything with you so you can buy the mask designs and You know you can you can support us as you're out and about it'd be awesome. There's there's no oil products. So I know I will I'm going to get our logo like tattooed right here on my face. Boom. That'd be dope wage. Right, right. Yeah, my wife would love it. She just be like this is so great and you can get it for free. I'll do it. Oh, that's right. Yeah, you do that. All right. I mean, it's not that good long as you can tell like it's kind of kind of shity. Here's yeah. Oh, yeah. See you guys are going to want to watch on YouTube so you can see this you can yeah. Here you go. I've been under And y'all can see I got a tattoo as well on my chest. So yeah, it's just like right here. All right, but for you guys just listening. I'm sorry. We kind of get a little bit of a visual thing. They're my noteworthy. I saw it today and it was was weird. It was a dude was like I'm walking down the street. I was at a red light and he was just like going dancing. Just dancing his heart out. Yeah, and it was that low draw off and and what what I really thought was was strange. There was no headphones. I mean, he was just dancing to the sounds of chemistry. Sometimes you gotta walk just like feel it really it was probably like on drugs, but you know, I mean that's more so he was definitely feeling it. So he was hearing something we weren't clearly Thursday. I just when I when I saw that I I kind of wanted to just bring it up. Just cuz once again I didn't have the most eventful of weeks. But that's common when you're you know, I'm I'm like me but shut up jump. So yeah, and I know you've been busy to Josh with our office. Yeah, beautiful, finally for the most part set up. Yeah, I love it. How long did it take you all week about we can have cuz I've had so much other stuff going on with with just the rest of the house. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, that's the thing that you have a house. There's always something going wrong or something. You have to change or fix did it on Route constant constant? You got like that, honey. Do you list do you got the page around like you really made a theme for Halloween though? I don't owe report. Yes. So fun fact about water boy. We started noticing the background song that I have for you guys. Once again on YouTube you can see it but I've got two posters behind me like movie posters of The Waterboy and Shining my my my parents live in the football arena during the filming of Waterboy. Yeah. I remember seeing them. It was cool. Yeah, dude, they were over there. Well, how weird actually flashed. Oh, man. Yeah. I remember that host, right? Crazy bring my Shark interview. There you go. Yeah, man, we're we're really teasing it for YouTube for you guys, like being watching us. Yeah off a little little things is like every episode you put something else random. Right right off right right in the right in the frame. I mean dude, this is borderline Joe Rogan status right here because she's always got these little snacks on his table. This is true. That's true. Yeah. I like that next to be like a human head. This is like chilling there every every every episode is a different human head. I mean nothing to identifiable maybe like a hammer. Okay? Okay fair enough. Well mine. Mine X know where they was. Also something that happened pretty recently Jude my two-year-old for those of you that don't know has a a lot of interesting questions and he came over to Caitlin my wife and was like wage Um, the chickens have balls just that's about a question. I don't think I've ever seen balls on a chicken. I haven't either but he he's innocent. So he meant like do they play with balls and still I don't know the answer to that question. Maybe not no idea but wage. Um, it made me laugh. So I wanted to share that with you guys. It's quite interesting. I'm not even sure you to know I am thinking but it's but it's like I feel like we would know I feel like you should know why I mean why not? I I pretty much know most animals that do right? I mean I feel like it now. I feel like I'm getting into a weird like Nick knows every animal that has pulsed. It's my thing. Okay, boss don't lie. You don't leave so I mean that's pretty cool research that you have to research that at some point and get back with me cuz I will I'll let you look up the pages and all that. You can go through that. Yeah. Sure. I'm totally down. Yeah. Yeah. So what else have you today? I mean speaking of chicken balls or off, I guess animals in the sense not necessarily chicken balls. So my wife and I are anniversary is coming up and so we were thinking, oh we should get some like exotic meat like something crazy that we haven't tried before. And just have it delivered and I'll prepare it and so we're looking online and I came across a zebra me you could buy a fucking zebra what I'm not like a live zebra, but you can buy their meat, you know, you can buy a whole I've seen I mean, I'm sure somewhere you can buy live zebra, but now we're always looking like Market but do they have like wage and everything they had like Ribeyes and like really wow, they have like every cut of it like any possible bit you would want they even have testicles of like almost off course, of course. Yeah, that's crazy. So, how was it? We haven't read or anniversaries on the on the 29th. So, oh wow, two months two month anniversary month. It'll be five years married and eight years together right on man. Yeah. Congratulations. Maybe you'll make it another year. Probably not maybe obviously you'll see. Yeah. Well when she finds out what we've been doing behind her back. Yeah, just like setting you up to be a terrible person the whole podcast thing. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's not obvious. But she's like just talking to you before we like started this. What do you think? They're nothing? Yeah, nothing at all wage. I bring in my cam girl service. Yeah, there you go. And if you guys want to see that just let us know. It's it's not out of the question mindless topless Josh my phone now. It's a whole new website. It's it's absolutely crazy. Well what one thing that I want to bring up as like a I guess a last little noteworthy is Thursday is a I wanted to talk about jackhammering because the feeling not a lot of people have done it before like I feel like not a lot of people have done it before and Thursday. I mean, you gotta be in construction and doing so, yeah, of course not and not necessarily it keeps you. I mean, you know by 1, but you can go rent one you can go to home and rent one and take it home and just start jacking place if you want for like the sidewalk that the sidewalk or Street if you really want to get the experience it is available. I don't know off. Rent one that's crazy. Yeah, dude, you can rent one. There's also there's places that are that are nearby that that are like places called like rent equip or Sunbelt Rentals. Yeah, you can just go in there and credit card whatever rent it and take it off and you got a jackhammer now for the day. Oh, yeah, just imagine the damage you can cause I mean way to jail you go to jail, but hey me but but but what I was going to bring up is I did it a lot this week and like a lock for hours and God, I gotta say after you do it for a long time your hands still feel like they're like trembling. Have you have you done have you Jackhammer before? I'm sure you have so not jackhammering but pressure washing I get the same effect. Really. Are you sure if you have a jackhammer, then you may not know. I mean don't lie to me Joshua like shaky noodle. Like I can barely if I went to go pick up my cup like I'm shaking like I have to use two hands off. Okay, that's pretty similar except with with a jackhammer. You feel it in your shoulders. And you feel you feel that like your whole upper body almost. Yeah this just trembling I'd imagine so because that's that's a lot more going on than just like what you want with the pressure washer with your pressure washer. It's mostly just like your forearm enhanced. Yeah. We'll also when you're young Camry to you gotta continuously lift it and drop it in a new spot, you know, so your listing this thing and dropping it lifting and dropping it. And so when you do that for hours on end, it's it's it's really feel like this crazy vibration. Uh, and I don't know. I just wanted to bring it up cuz I was sitting here thinking like, what did I do a lot this week. I was like Jack Cameron. I did it a lot. I'm going to talk about it Bob. Just it's an interesting sensation and I've been planning for ten years and I Jackhammer at least once a month and some days obviously more than others, but I just was thinking like I feel like I'm not a lot of people have done it. So it's just if you ever do it just just you'll feel that feeling and it's weird but and your sores wage, so that's always fun. So I guess if it was all right, all right moving on now we can talk about literally nothing wrong. I don't know if that's good or bad. I hope good. I hope it's great. It is great. Yeah, so if you don't have anything else I'll move us on to our actual topic for the day off sleep and I want to start with the fact that when you have kids which you know this and I know this you don't really get much of it off. Was your experience with your newborn and the lack of sleep or were you lucky so you're really lucky you probably lucky. I was both Lucky and the fact that I'm like when I'm asleep. I might I may as well be dead because I'm almost never going to wake up. Oh, yeah, that's your so you get away with that though. Like like your wife's not like all right, like get up. You need to actually help me. It's 2 in the morning. I've been up for a few hours get the hell up. You don't get that you never got that and cuz like dude, I totally help everywhere else. So I guess that's true. I guess that's true. And it's more worried for her to try and wake me up in the day for her Naka. That's awesome. Yeah. Well, well you fell into something good that they're cuz it's pretty rare. Yeah. Well, I will yeah, I'll just say I I too did as much as I could to help like anytime and and and all that made me sound really bad like I don't help I want to change my promise. I I promise I do some stuff every now and then I sweep a little bit. I'll put away a dish or two. Yeah only the ones that I used and and when the biggest Prime I'll shut up really loud. Yeah, that's like it's not a big deal. Like I do I do what I can that's me speaking as Josh cuz he's the asshole not me. So I just wanted to like let you guys know off whenever you think of mindless Morning Show net cool Josh at school, you know, we can kind of go that way. You know, I love you. I just yeah give you so much stuff off and it'll never stop so visible joke. Okay. Oh, yeah that's going to be so I guess we should it off that for those not watching us and only listening to us. We're doing our very first yeah. Yeah we did right that's said that already Josh God pay attention to your show and drinking. Oh, yeah. Yeah me to start a noon didn't you work today? That's gone wrong. So I I will say that I I did everything I could to help as well. Even at like 2 in the morning, like don't get me wrong. Like if I woke up I'm like, what do you need money? But the problem with me is that when I don't get enough sleep, I'm absolutely worthless. Now, here's an example. We're sleeping bags and we then we weren't sleeping because the baby started crying and this is like our first kid since his back when a but she's nine. She was like seven months old. She started crying or whatever and I'm worthless and I don't know what she said, but she asked me to do something. I don't I don't know but I was like got it. So I like I got up and I grab my pillow and I tracked it over and I threw it in the hallway and then I went and I laid back down. Well, it's just like dead. What are you doing? I put the promo all the way you told me too. And I'm like, I don't remember any of this mind you none of it and she's like, why would I ask you to do that? And I'm like, yes, it makes sense. That's what you said and I'm like trying to go back down and she's like, you know what screw it. I'm not I'm just going to do it myself. This is a stupid and I and I and I went to sleep without a pillow I am I just went back to sleep. And yeah, yeah, so that's that's my help. I'm so helpful. I did I did worthless crap and then there was another instance where it's like to bring in the morning or whatever and she doesn't ask me for anything this time and I I got up and the light the lamp was on because she was like putting the baby back to sleep he gave up on you know, so she was staying away cuz you're not supposed to fall asleep holding a baby cuz you know, you could end up like Josh and so she's has the lamp on and I get up and I go and log Turned around I got to the doorway and I said damn like what I was like, what is your need again? Like nothing get in bed. Go to sleep. Okay. I don't remember that. So it's not that I wouldn't help or I can't wake up. I guess I can't wake up but it's like in a different way than nearest like I wake up and I do stuff but it's not helpful at all for anyone. I just end up being an idiot. So I mean I don't know like if I'm asleep I'm dead. So like it's just like four to six hours a day after that. Like I'm totally reliable. Oh, yeah, cuz sometimes I noticed that you really don't sleep that much like like you'll be awake at like 2 in the morning and then your messaging everybody at like six or seven G's, but I can't do that. I mean I can I have but I feel like there's just too much to do. That's true. There is especially with everything work trying to do developing a video game and running a podcast and you're trying to grow a bunch of weed and don't want anyone to know about it all that stuff off. All right, so, you know, they might bad so it's my plan over there. It's it's a light bulb. You're not really good at Pac-Man. I I don't have much in here to go off of moment. That's true. That's true. I just yeah, so so sleep. It's interesting cuz it's like like what happens when you died you just feel like you're sleeping forever getting two free trial to death. Oh, I like it. It's interesting cuz I mean honestly like You don't remember at all a sleeping like to an extent. I mean maybe if you dream or whatnot, but if you can't sleep and you don't dream like like I do often get it. You basically just died for a few hours and then come back. That is weird. Yeah, it is weird, especially cuz like like okay, we're not getting in the any religious theologies or anything like that. That's not what we do. But if you are religious you had your own beliefs and if you you aren't you have your own thoughts or theories or whatever but it is interesting because you know, I don't remember what it was like before I was born or anything because I wasn't anything so it's like what if that's like when you don't exist it's like you didn't exist before and now you don't exist again. So the fact that you lived all of a sudden gives you this like off this power to like do more after you've like died, you know, so it's interesting. It's weird. I mean we'll end up talking more about like theories with sleeves and whatnot. But but that is interesting when my belief is just plain black. Well, that's a just right on story over movie and did whatever so it's just like to me sleeping dog. Is Beth? Yeah. Well, I mean logically it makes sense. But damn it's scary to think that that's for sure. It really is. It sucks cock? Yeah, it does suck. So that's why you know, it's so important to try to do things that you want to do in your life, even though it may be hard like what we just talked about developing a video game and doing a podcast trying to do things that are interesting to us despite. You know, I myself I'm going to live forever or die texting so it's a win-win situation. Yeah, because you are going to embrace the the warmth of technology to turn your brain into like a vessel to go to another like I'm totally for it totally all for it. I don't give a shit about this body damage. You see this Dad by here. Yeah. I'm trying not to look man. This is a big mistake doing the whole video thing, and I'm sitting here looking at this and give me Yeah, but then I can just be making this face the whole time. So that's what no one wants to look at that. I'm sure there's a few people watch it in like yeah. Yeah. No, no go back to that the whole episode. Come on. Let's do it. Let's do it. I couldn't do it. I couldn't do it that long guys. It would start to hurt. My my mouth Mai reminds me of the scene with Jim Carrey From Me Myself and Irene when you hadn't had to take his medicine this guy cottonmouth or or what. Is it like Fire, Marshall Bill It's pretty much what it is guy look terrible when I do that so but it's fun. It's fun stuff. I I I used to sleep on my roof when I was growing up because like where I used to live, okay my growing up I mean freshman year of high school and like like eighth grade and middle school with the summer between my girl went through this phase where I thought I would go upstairs because we had like you can go out like a small little balcony small little you go out a little balcony and you could walk on the roof from the little balcony. It was really cool and where we where I grew up as far as in that time. We lived on 50 acres of land with Austin and Texas. So it's like a farm dude, there's like country, uh, but it was still only like twenty minutes from like a town, but it was really like gave you the illusion that you were in the middle. Nowhere, but you weren't it was really cool. So we I'd go out there and I would go on the roof and I'd like all dramatic like lay on the you know, lay on a blanket and like look at the stars like oh this is so nice total like hipster and I would never go to sleep on her if I'd definitely be up on roofs for long periods of time looking up at stars, but that's about it off. Well, there wasn't a huge pitch to it. So I didn't really feel like you know, if I rule I'm gonna fall I was just like this is cool. Like I can do this. No no big deal. I will say though that living out in the quote middle of nowhere, which it really wasn't but there was a lot of coyotes out there man, and they would get really close and that kind of made me like, all right, I'm done cuz they were like howling and they were like right under me, but I hear him right there and Howling and I'm like I got it. I I didn't go inside too scared cuz then I started like really thinking like, okay. Well what if I do fall, you know, like what and then knowing me. I'd be wandering around through my pillow on the ground and thinking I did something useful like then I'm getting eaten by Coyotes so I ended up stopping but but I do remember like always thinking that thinking it was so cool. I can't even tell you how many shooting stars I see, you know, yeah all the time and it is really interesting to whenever like I said, I have rarely see them. Well, that's probably do you live in an area? That's well illuminated. Yeah, dude. I live in the like the tourist capital of the fucking world the whole Skies illuminated with universal over there Disney over their life that can stores malls everything. Yeah. Well, that's yeah that sucks man because cuz if you were out in not not even the middle of nowhere really just didn't like a a neighbor that has like space down houses and you go into a backyard likely on a trampoline or something and just show there for like a couple of hours. You'll see a handful of them maybe more. Yeah see a lot of them. So I was in Montana for about three months. I lived in Big Sky Montana and that's literally like the middle of fucking okay. Okay. Yeah, I bet that look great. Dude that took the Stars I've ever seen in my life like you look up it's a guy like you see the Galaxy you see like you see like the the haze, you know in the darkness. Yeah, it's dead. Saying I was like, holy shit. And that was the first time I had ever seen like that many or anything near that number and it like just blew my mind and then I was showing out in the hot tub one night and I was just looking up and dude easily just saw like one after another and I was like Whoa, like it took me years to see like even just well and here I am playing watching like 20 of them go by like nothing and you're in a hot bath like is this the medical of living? Yeah, you're going to haunt. I'm like, wow, what's her music playing or you drinking like all of this combined? I was underage at the time. So I was just off. Okay? Okay. Well, I mean still worth it time to go like do it again and like, you know, bring me some of those things too. Well, the best part is like cuz it was cold. It was freezing cold like there's snow up on the mountain in like literally that's even better. Yeah, so literally like where I was sitting in in the hot tub, I'm taking it back in like straight ahead. There's this huge mountain and like all the stars. So like that was my view like completely unobstructed and it was just How how how old were you when you lived out there you lived there right for yeah for three months. Okay. Okay. Okay. So so so how old were you when this was happening? Do you recall I had been about Seventeen eighteen. Okay. Okay. Could you imagine like you're in this moment of just total Bliss and then like somebody comes out and like hey clean your girl in Rome just like no man, but it was the most breathtaking seen I've experienced in my life so far. I've seen it and there's really nothing pretty about Florida like Orlando the city beautiful my ass. Yeah, well You you you missed it. You didn't say that your kid was the most beautiful scene in the world. You really failed their man bad dad. That's okay. I don't care too much about my kid because that's my kid. Everybody can fuck off. Oh, that's true. That's true. Have you ever have you as an adult? Have you ever pissed your choice sleeping? Every day just can't figure it out man, Dan. I got one of those waterproof vinyl mattresses. So just like goes off to the side into these little pans. I have thought about along the second. All right, you were describing and I'm like, holy shit. He might be serious know that's awesome. Okay. I've never gotten drunk enough to where I've I've fished myself. I mean I've gotten blackout drunk but like I never don't get me wrong. I've been totally blocked off often. But but no, I mean look at you with the golden bladder, it's nice. Yeah, I I'm actually paying right now. Oh awesome. That's like the the second time that we've done this podcast where I've talked about peeing while we're doing the podcast wage. Really. I don't even remember the first the first the first time I said it I was like I gotta wear one of June I want to change diapers cuz oh, okay. I remember the talk about you wearing a diaper down some highbrow stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think I have either but I I know that that's a thing that happens when people are drunk wage, but if I did I don't remember it or I did and somebody help me and I don't remember being like Changed by somebody the only time I was like, that's really blackout drunk where I like I threw up but I didn't I didn't pee or anything. Yeah, like I woke up in my backyard like inside a little, you know, there was a little $10 range. Plastic Walmart kiddie pools. Yeah, yeah one of those out back because that's what I used to watch the dogs. Look up that back there man. Just like wake up. And you're like, this is my life. God damn dude. The worst part is I woke up and like dogs. I like set up as a poet. I'm looking like oh like I can't believe I did. I look over my neighbors out back watering her plants and I'm like, oh, wow. Hey, how you doing? She's like right then from Life Pentacle of living to this beautiful hot tubs scenario with the Stars to like almost Rock Bottom. I don't want to say Rock Bottom is Rock Bottom. I feel like is really bad. But that's like that's like a rock bottom moment. You know, I've definitely been in worse moment. So that that's that's nowhere near my rock bottom a new episode new poll about Josh's Rock Bottom wage. Are we going we going to leave me for you guys? Just listening. He just left. Yeah, I had to go walk over to grab my my little battery. Okay, because as you can see other side, there you go. Yeah, I will soon be dead changed out. It's okay. I don't often have to stop it because like I can okay the video will just disappear for a moment. Well, then I might start screaming what if somebody kidnaps you cuz that's logical. Yeah, cause it's very possible though. Okay. Well I have another question for you. Yeah, it's super rare. But have you ever fallen asleep with your eyes open? I mean, I guess if you did what I know and I told you you wouldn't know. Yeah, one of my friends did and it happened when we were in like maybe like sixth grade but it's stuck with me cuz it was freakish it. We were. It was I mean it was weird. It was God. It was one of one of the Mario Party game hanging out and those games were like addictive. Oh, yeah. They were the best. Yeah. Yeah, you having fun with groups of people dude. Yes. Yeah, you had all the little mini games you're competing own new album. So many of them the ones for the weed those were the fun ones because those are the ones like you had the one where you have to like inflate the balloon. So you have to use the remote. Yeah. Oh, that's cool. We motion stuff off. See that was a fun. We were we were playing on N64 cuz exactly no I played it since then. Yeah. Okay, so So we pulled an all-nighter with that game like to do stupid. How late would yeah, and and and we were like you guys name our friend Ryan. He doesn't suck. He's listening. But if he is Ryan, you're cool message me dude, like, you know a doctor you'd years media honesty. Yeah. It's been a long time and me and him like best friends growing up so I know how long this stuff. This lips. Oh, okay. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good guys. But anyways, we stayed up all night playing this game and it got to I I don't remember what the Mini-Game was, but it got to a part where we were competing, you know, cuz that's like all you do and I'm going and all of a sudden his dudes not moving at all and I'm like, oh are you doing I just went playing where you doing? I looked over and he's just like, I mean those of you that are watching don't get to see but he's just like Like this is totally dead faced. He looks like a dead person with his eyes open and I'm like Brian brown eyes weren't like off the back of his journey. No. No, he was looking straight ahead man. Fucking. Me. Yeah. Yeah it is. Now what I wonder is because your eyes are technically a part of your brain. It's like off the exposed part of your brain. So if they're open and does your brain like shut down that like, That input it's it's it's like okay. I actually I have two of my friends have fallen asleep with their eyes open. This is the first instance home and and he and I like even like wave my hand like in front of and so they're not always come with you. I mean, that'd be some like pretty good acting cuz I knew that he was tired cuz it was like freaking four or five in the morning. Like we're I knew he was tired and he was quiet and we were playing in his do just stopped moving and so I like did a double-take at him and his eyes were like open. I mean, I guarantee you he was he was out like he was dead and I was like, hey, hey like touched his shoulder and then he like he when he when he like like came to or whatever. He just was like, oh hey Mike wage, dude, you're asleep. He's like I was yeah like you were asleep like weird flying it was so it was trippy. I remember I don't know if I have nobody has ever told me. I mean I feel like for you to do that. You've really gotta be like on the precipice, you know of just crashing because I'm playing my sleep standing up though. I thought possible and you weren't leaning on anything. Yeah, obviously cuz I was standing in line waiting for a ride. So like I was leaning like up against The Rock and like Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I can see that but imagine why somebody just bombed enslavement just like yeah. Oh man. Yeah. I I haven't I haven't fallen asleep leaning on anything either but but I know okay. So so in order to get your your plumbing license, you have to go to a collapse as every year called continuous education and you go in this classroom and you listen about Plumbing for eight hours. That's horrible, especially because there's not a whole lot that really changes. I mean, it's mostly about like Plumbing law, which is just so boring man. So all you have to do is take an eight hour course every year. Well, okay to renew your like since yes to obtain your license the first time you have to do other stuff, but birth For me to renew my license with the state. I have to take the class every single year every year the class is different. Although it's really not but it is so one of the very first things that he who will kick. It says the instructor is like if you fall asleep you lose credit you have to come back and take the class again and pay another like a hundred or like $75 per person to take a class. Well the company pays for it. But not not everybody's company does I just got lucky. So the first thing you says if you fall asleep you lose credit. So he says if you if you feel like you need to go to sleep stand up and go to the back of the room and stand and like yeah, I guess cuz you won't fall asleep if you're standing but if you did be funny cuz you just like. Fall and so the second time A friend of mine fell asleep. It was also while gaming me and a couple of my friends. All playing the NHL hockey games, which I know you play a lot of we're playing and right. You got a hockey shirt on. Yeah, so you gotta tell people what you're doing Josh. No one's watching you. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I showed my my shirt with a little digital is your is this your first time doing a visual podcast? This is my first time doing a visual. I know I'm normally blind. Oh, yeah. Well, yeah looks looks good. I would say I would say it's going well I can I can see you it's just so wonderful, right? Um, so while we're playing we're playing and and she fell asleep with her eyes open and it was it was once again, it was weird and I'm really thought of my my other friend I was like, oh this has happened before. Whoa. I did the same thing. I could put my hand over her face and but but she wasn't as far as sleep as my other phone number. Is because she like started blinking and she was like, oh what happened was like you fell asleep. She's like I saw your hand but I like couldn't say anything else. It's like yeah, that's really weird. Like you were asleep. That's creepy, but she's remember she was like, I don't think I was was like, well I was talking to you didn't say anything. She's like I didn't answer my page. Oh, you didn't answer you were asleep. That's crazy. Yeah, I don't even I wouldn't even want to fall asleep like that. Yeah. I mean, it's definitely not really soothing or comfortable or you know, nice. It's sounds kind of creepy to be honest. I think the worst story I have fallen asleep was at a beach and So, all right. Me tide the tide guy you me this one guy and this other girl. We're hanging out and like we we have been drinking and smoking whatever problems. I think it was like 12 a.m. And we just finally decided were like Let's go to the beach. Like why not? It's right there. Yeah, we'll go watch the sunset or the the sunrise in the morning and then we'll come back home. Whatever would be great. Be cool off. So we're like, yeah. Yeah, let's do it. So for from where I live like I gotta drive like an hour hour and half to get to the beach. So not just that we had to drive like wage twenty thirty minutes extra to go over to my friend's house so she can go and get a bunch of shit. And then we get over to the beach. It's probably like 2:30 a.m. We're like, all right, perfect. Cuz like we only got like 4 and 1/2 hours of young maybe and like we we were having a great time. We were drinking or smoking some more. We were we were laying on the beach where you couldn't see you can't see anything just pitch black. Wow, was it cloudy then no moon. Yeah, actually, you know what there was like barely any it must have been cloudy cuz like there was like no little to no Moonlight if any oh, wow, like we could just barely see each other right next to each other and sort of a horror movie and well, it was really nice because all you hear is like the waves coming in like you just like real real calming soothing and our listeners are falling asleep right now. I'm sure and suck we suck and I don't know what happened at some point. I just gone dead asleep and I wake up and I'm looking around and I'm like guys Nowhere to be found. This is a funny guys. Dude. I was like, I like quickly sat up on the beach. I was like, all right hold down. So I go and grab my phone my foot cuz I was going to plug my flashlight. Whatever. Yeah. Yeah, it's dead. I'm like, oh dear horror movie. I called it. Looks like you've got to be kidding me. So like cuz yeah, I'm looking around. I'm like just kind of being skeptical. I'm trying to keep my cool and like hello. I'm Dreaming off. Yeah, right. Maybe I'm lost and so like I started checking myself. I drove us there so I have my keys still so all right. Oh, yeah, get robbed by your friends if you can't walk. All right, so what is going on and so like I got up and I was like, I don't know what to do. I'm going to go to the car because I have my phone charger in the you knew you knew like where abouts your car was. Yeah. Yeah, that's good at least so I get like I started walking towards my card just before like you leave the beach area and there's like this long little wooden walkway bridge to walk over towards the parking. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I hear someone. Oh boy. I look over and I'm like Guys, and it's so how much did you say? Hey, you got any spare change or any beer like there's like three in the morning go way. Yeah. Oh my God, that's creepy. So like I just can't walk. I didn't even say anything else. I should fuck that and I just kept that's like a whole story. I don't want to get involved with. Yeah. So like I just kept going to be a lawyer. He's God and I get to the car and I see see my friends just chilling there and they just like left you on the beach down there sitting on the trunk of my car. Just chilling and I'm like, you know, peaceful Josh. I'm like where the fuck did you guys go? And they're like, oh, I mean you fell asleep. You didn't want to wake you up and I was like, You just left my ass there. Like any of them are any of them around listening. Do you think or this is very doubtful the one the one guy he doesn't talk to me anymore because he said I was a bad influence. Oh, geez my mind you this guy Choice? Like, I don't know. I think he was a turd eight to ten years older than I was at the top. Oh God that your other bad. But so I mean, I just thought I thought it was funny. And yeah the check I haven't talked to and years. Okay. Okay, so, you know, they left you on a beach. So yeah, I mean welcome that's that's crazy. So blew my mind, but I mean it was it was still a good time. We had after all this song. And I was wide awake after that because I was like, well, whatever. Yeah, so we just we hung out we watched the sunrise we went and got breakfast at IHOP and went home and then I bought and I could do I hope and I have sponsored us to you guys. So that's it's awesome. So did it was funny though, cuz at the time it was just me and my grandma living here and home grandma. She was always an early bird and she knew like she wouldn't see me to like one to the afternoon and I walk in and like functions six seven years, so she's like Where did where were you where have you been? I was like, oh, I went to the beach last night. Yeah. Up and left. I like twelve and she's like Did you have fun? I was like yeah, we watch the sunrise is pretty cool. And she's like awesome. I was like, yeah, I'm going to bed now ya later dang. That's cool though, man. I mean that is one thing I'm just about as you have the beach right there. Like that's cool. I don't even like the beach. I know. Oh, okay. Well, that's cuz you're spoiled with it. No, it's not even that like, it's I mean, I don't know how how often is too often or what your amount is to be considered spoiled like I win maybe once or twice a year, but oh each time even as a kid I hated it. I just never I don't like saying in my crevices a sale imitating and there's usually a bunch of really annoying people around do that. If I go to the beach, I want to go like at 3 a.m. Is there and as far now is that do you think that's because a lot of the people that are on the beaches are tourists and so that's why they're annoying to you know, just because a lot of people are like really inconsiderate and fucking Rouge. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you just don't like people and except for our listeners. Yeah. Yeah only if you're listening well if they're not listening and they're not listeners damn it off or maybe their Watchers. I like our Watchers too. It's like watching us with no audio. That's weird. That is I guess we're start making random faces of them. You know what I mean? Just like random faces the camera for the people that are you should because it's going to entice the listeners to become Watchers. Is it better to be? Yeah, I mean being a watcher. I feel like they need a little bit more engaging but I see you here my job randomly lab Okay enough of that shit one more. Okay, I'm done. Now I actually have cuz I want to get into dreams a little bit. Like I know we've talked about this before and you haven't really had a whole lot of crazy memorable ones, but I've had a couple that are just weird as shit and I couldn't even make these up. I really couldn't I had one where it I had a dream I wasn't I yeah, I lost and I I had an itch on my face Josh I still critical. How is pitching. What are you in cheating doing this job? I was using my my callus on my hand to scratch the itch. Okay, that's that's something maybe it's not so good that you can see me off remaining. Maybe it'll you should do the thing with the the head-banging that you would use to do and look at it. Are you got my I got to go get my kids bicycle helmet. Hold on hug her back. Now so this dream the weird the weirdest thing about about this dream is I wasn't even in it. Like I don't I don't I was not in it. It's life was like the camera or something. So you were like third it was like a third person view. Yeah, but I was not in it. It was not my it was not my vision. It was it was it was a dream that was like a movie trailer off. So cinematic thing it wasn't like particularly falling following any one person. Correct. It was not following it. It wasn't following anyone that existed. It was like manifestations of my mind now now I'm going to get into why it's so weird. It's because it started out as the interior of a food truck and there was four people and the first the first person that spoke and I mean wage by filmed like if I being like a film trailer it was like there was music. It was like dramatic music like like music of a bank heist movie, like like don't don't you know like wage and the first guy was like this big dude and he's like first off catch him and then it being the camera flashed to a part of this whole weird trailer of him chasing a pigeon grabbing it and slamming it against the ground. Okay nice and then it's being the camera. Then went back into the food truck and it panned to the next person and it was like it was like a older Hispanic lady and she said and now cook them and then it showed her like defeathering the pigeons and like putting them in this boiling grease and and then it off flashed over to the next guy and he said and I'll collect the money and he had like this weird like New York accent that I can't do well and then it showed him collecting money and selling dad cooked pigeons two people out of the food truck. And I didn't get to the fourth person before I woke up and I and I woke up and I'm just like I just had a dream about a pigeon food truck where they walk around and they kill pigeons in the city and cook them and sell them and God damn. It was just really weird. What kind of drugs were you on? Nothing, I wasn't even sick of this happened like a month ago, but this is a recent dream. And I mean I'm sleeping normal for the most part normal now and and I had that dream and I usually don't remember dreams, but I knew that we were going to end up doing a podcast eventually about weird shit like weird dreams dude. I got out of bed and wrote this down in my phone at like 2 in the morning because I'm like, I don't want to forget this cuz it was like one of the weirdest dreams I've ever had in my life. I wasn't even in it and honestly, it's pain kind of a good idea. Y'all want to eat some pizza free. The overhead is like you just bite like some cooking stuff, but the food source is just just catch it catch pigeons wage discussing. I never spoke kind of pigeon. I never tried to catch but I dont like birds. I'm I'm kind of I want to see anything. I don't like the beach. I don't like people. I don't like I don't like birds like they scare me. Oh, okay. I like like if they were flying at me, I'm like, oh, yeah, that's that's terrified feel like that's scary. No matter who you are less you like own the bird and you're like holding your hand out and it's flying. I mean, that's the thing. A lot of people don't mind Birds but like dude me I I'd hit him if I could so that so this down you're like You know, he's got sound. I mean, I don't mind the sound so stupid doing that you guys I think that I gotta watch I just don't want a bird coming at me. Like I could care less about the sound or how look like I don't even like I'm not scared of looking at them as long as they're gonna cave. It's a stork holding a baby. Then I hope it's a strong a story because it's going to drop that baby cuz I'm a hit with a bat. This is my Stark bad. All right, dude, not a problem. So so yeah, man, that was just oh, oh it went out finally. It's a big show me his battery died on his little camera. Yeah. Yeah, I gotta change. Oh, yeah. Okay. So I'm going to go off the listeners are going to get tired of that crap. So I'm going to move on to actual audio. Uh, and yeah, I'm going to I'm going to bring up I'm going to bring up another one that I had which was honestly it's equally is weird. This one though. I was in and I was in it and I'm not going to lie. I did a very stupid moronic thing in the dream, but I'll leave that to the end. So I had a dream that dead. The United States was at war with ants like those super-sized giant ones. No, no, no. No, no just regular God bands. But the reason why it was kind of eerie to me at least is I remember like people were people were outside the neighborhood wage and they were kind of like they were all pointing at the road and there was all of these ants dude outside of their anthills migrating together like millions of the migrating out of the back yards and they were all going off into like the woods And uh people were following them and they were creating these like massive anthills the size of houses. They were like becoming like a singularity force that was spent on killing humans. So they were the same size ants but they were in numbers that no one would ever possibly be able to think of crazy. Well the way that we were like having war with them. So like what the ants were doing is they were like invading houses and totally engulfing people and killing them off, right? Yeah. It's kind of like like some kind of weird movie plot, but why do I keep dreaming and trailers like movie trailer and said like they're stepping cause fire now you're getting ridiculous. It's not like that. It's realistic Josh. Yeah, that's true. Now, it's your turn to cry buddy. So in the in in the dream scientists figured out a way and of course, I have no fucking clue how but they would sprinkle this powder via helicopter on the ant hills and what it would do was it would put all of the ants to sleep? Okay, and then these guys would go in with these weird like a mining drills and they were like drill through the the fricking anthill and they would find Anna Queen and just off queen and I don't know. I don't know why I guess that did something but yeah, I mean essentially to take out a colony you gotta take out just a queen. Yeah. So that was like how we combated them killing the Queen's so then they would I I don't know. I'm just speculating at this point. I didn't dream in this type of detail, but I guess they would scatter and become regular ants again if the queen. I have no clue some type of hivemind birth. Are you so I this was my part in the dream and it's really dumb. I dreamed rent that I ran full full speed as fast as I could and drove headfirst into an anthill that was not honestly it was just a regular it was huge. It was like this one was like the size of a car and I just drove into it with my arm stuck straight out just right into it took about half way into it and then I just got completely swarmed by ants and I woke up and my skin was like itchy all over I was initiated Nothing Hurt. It was just I was itchy as shit all over your the your regular sized person. Yeah, dude, it's just these massive ant piles but the answer the same size. Yes. Yes everything proportion proportion wise the exact same. But you jumped into their this is stupid. I drove I drove it wasn't a tunnel. I made the tunnel with my body by diving into it headfirst choice. Thinking I was helping and somehow I don't know. I know it's terrible but I like going in just like got stuck and then just got swarmed and then I woke up and my skin was itchy all over cuz I was being like I I wasn't actually feeling bites was thinking you just jumped into like this giant fucking tunnel in this giant and he'll like headfirst like taking on a colony know it was way off attic than that like like imagine imagine. Somebody makes a giant mound of sand and you go. Okay and you run and dive headfirst into it at a horse if she's also angle into an almost vertical pile of sand just and you stick in half way, that's what I did. That was my that was my contribution to the war effort and you didn't like get eaten alive. Well, no I did but that's when I woke up. I woke up when the ants were literally covering my body. I woke up and my skin felt crawling and itchy all over no pain just really itchy and weird. Yeah, so I think I'm even mindless in my dreams dude, like so stupid. So stupid you like out there that in there. Yeah having a month. I don't think I've ever woken up from a dream in like felt itchy. Me either that was the first time like and and I this was also a a recent two and the only reason why I'm able to remember this weird shit is cuz I've been writing it down because I thought we were going to do this eventually. Usually I'm like, oh that was the weirdest dream ever and then by lunchtime, I don't remember any of it. So but I'm writing them down and it's like it's like it saves it in a different part of your memory. So you can remember if a little bit better so dream this morning that woke me up that and like I have like a fear of heights and and stuff like that. So I having this. Well, I guess my wife was awake already. She was just like laying in bed on her phone, whatever off and I had woken up like Click I just like sporadically like jumped. Yeah, he's away straight out. Yeah. She's like she okay now Mike. I had like a dream. I was following. I was like I'd like we were on top of a tower her and I and practical yeah, I don't know what our I don't know where where you were proposing European romantic. No actually quite office it murder plot. Oh boy. She was telling me that she was pregnant and then next thing I know I fell off the tower you jumps and so like I'm falling and the following is what what made me wake up because I have that feeling like I actually am falling. It's so like I guess boot. Wow. Yeah. Now I've had that before I've actually had that before in high school when like we finished our homework and stuff or home where we finish our school work and there's like twenty five minutes left in class. So you can just kind of do whatever. Well I lay my head down and just kind of just drift off well as Thursday. I don't want to call it dreaming and I know this is a common thing a lot of it happens with a lot of people where you like you're so relaxed and you're just like your so falling asleep and you start thinking of shit, you know, like running or or doing something and then in that activity you fall and so you act out the action of your reaction in real life, even though it's like a dream state even though you're not fall asleep. You you know what? I mean? Yeah. Well, I I did that and it totally look like an idiot because I was in class and I was daydreaming while I was in this state of I don't know what you call it. And I was skateboarding cuz I skated a lot back then so I was like thinking about skating and I'm like, you know all laying down stuff and I hit off. If God I'm stupid. I hit a rock in my state of mind that I was in and the rock made me lunch forward and I like pushed my hands outstretched myself and I ended up shoving all my shit off the desk. And so it looked like I had this like little breakdown of anger or something just out of nowhere dead silent all of a sudden just shitballs off the desk and then everybody looks to me and I'm like, oh, I don't even know what to say. I'm just like, oh sleeping kind of I don't know off like idiot. They I remember that so it's good stuff. I mean at least you didn't like I thought you were going to say like you shoved the other person in front of you and they like eyeball got off. The pencil or something? Oh my God. Yeah, I I feel like that story would have been something I would have brought up long ago. You rudely really that would have been that would have been a long series episode. I would have been like, yeah, I had somebody like stabbed themselves with pencil. I asked him if they wanted to see a magic tree. Oh, yeah. Yes. Exactly. No big deal. They they didn't but I'm off anyways, so yeah, that's why I'm in a straitjacket. So yeah, I don't have many. Many dreams. It's like if I dream it's very very seldom. But I do have koi often nightmares and off. That's man. You're lucky. That's so so happy. Honestly, a lot of them are a lot crazier. So I mean more more more so for me to talk about here, I guess that's true off. Let's make it fun. Yeah, tell us about your fearful nightmares. So the one reoccurring dream, I've always had well, I will say always had I haven't had it for very very very long time until tonight. I'll probably have it tonight. I don't know like what full responded. I think it was when I had walked in on my dad playing Resident Evil. I said one still so cool that your parents played games man off. But yes, yes, and I just I was a creepy game. I'm tried looking for the scene to see if like it was in the game because I remember it so vividly that like I feel like I had to have been the game and I have yet to find this scene. Oh well, but there's this just pitch black and there's a door that had perfect lighting on it. Like I can see the door clear as day in this pitch-black nothing this room. And I'm just standing there and I don't walk towards the door. There's no sound there's no there's no anything like I never hear about anything. And then all of a sudden like something comes crawling, it's like it's kind of looks like Gollum like the body type of Golem but like a zombie Golem and I'm kind of like comes as if like the door was just standing there placed and like it was wasn't actually leading to anything like he was just standing behind and then like crawled over on top like that in around 5 or so. As he would crawl around the door and onto the front facing would that I'm looking at I would never see his face. Yeah only until it got towards the middle and then it like look or turn and that's usually when I would wake up like that. Yeah. Yeah so long, I don't know what it was and I still says that I have no idea what really sprung this on my mind. I can't find the scene. I don't know if it's from Resident Evil exactly or not dead, but it was just something that always like spooked me out and I think it I probably recurred for. Probably like 7 years five six years and that's what that's what's crazy about like human brain. And I know I don't really have one. But if I did have one I would want to know a lot more about it because but there's gotta be some type of weird subconscious explanation for something like that having a reoccurring dream of that specific thing happening just at random four years. That's crazy. Like I I've never had a reoccurring dream. So why I you know, why haven't I why haven't some other people are you know, why why are some people having the same nightmare every week for years and years? It's so trippy. I mean how much we don't know or maybe do know and I researched it enough. But as far as I mean, I have no idea for the most part Elon Musk has that figured out. Okay. Okay. I'm assuming this will be conversation for a different episode when we get into technology. Oh hell. Yeah. No, this is all for ya. Ya ya ya. Okay. I'm all about so long. Yeah. Yeah. Nice the only other dream I would really have it was a reoccurring dream but it was not always the same it was the same bad guy if you will, okay, and it was over trying to remember there was a show that had a character similar to the way it was like just just long brown trenchcoat and like little like detective hat whatever. I never saw your character. Yeah, I never saw the face pack. Everything was like a shadow and you never saw the face of the other guy either the creepy. No, you did seem. Oh, yeah when he when he turned around, okay? Okay. Okay, but yeah, no this one. I never never once even got a glimpse of his face. It was always just really shadowy face with a shame in some glowing like whitish yellow eyes. There was times that like I had a dream I was like in my room one day just like doing whatever playing my games like any normal day and all of a sudden I hear like like it's Pebbles hitting my window or something and when I looked out the window, he's he's out there and he's not out front line like yeah, he's not out front like on my property. He's like across the page three and why is that creepier really is though like the effectively it's creepier if it's kind of weird to think they're like you like Wong tour, but but but but then on but then at your window is just like think yeah, but it's like jumping it really hard and then like completely goes to a regular post like just staring off like you wants to kill you. Like, I don't know like idealistic like he like with the window open the window. What do you want? Do you want to hang out? No, dude, fuck that because after I would look through the window there was like a power line cable and he would reach into his trenchcoat with like one of those really long ass knives and just like fucking throw it cut the cable or the cable like Sparks up power goes out and then like you can't see shit off. So like that's when I would go and uh close the the curtain turn around and he's right there and that's when I would wake up like five course he is dead and that same person though. I would have other dreams where Like I was a young kid at a playground and I was fucking literally being chased hardcore by this guy throughout the entire playground like no place like there was so many people around but nobody was helping me like I did that your dream suck dude. They're scary as hell like everyone around me like it's as if I didn't exist a person didn't exist. Like we didn't we weren't even there and they're so you're in America. Yeah, exactly and it was just it was creepy just fucking crazy and he would always chase mean he always had knives man never. So now I want to I want to jump to the topic of lucid dreaming, you know, like yeah for for anything by that doesn't really understand or know what it is. It's basically when you know, you know that you're dreaming you have total control over your dreams and yourself in your dream. Like it's it's it's rare, but you can actually train yourself to have lucid dreams. Yeah, it's something about having like a level of Consciousness it while knowing that sneering and there's there's actually like kind of like levels of what you can do. So sometimes you can you can completely control your fucking dream. Like you can say, yes, you can control your atmosphere. You're like the environment that you're in you can control like if you hear something or what you hear like, you can literally put yourself anywhere. Yeah. Well, there's some that are just like maybe they can place themselves in a certain areas like Miss. Yeah, like you definitely do have to train for it. It's something like, you know, we saw was interesting but I think with the way that you're the way the show by minding the way that you start it is you have a notepad next to your bed and if you have any any dream Any dream at all you write it down in the most detail as you possibly can it starts to unlock different parts of your brain your subconscious to where you can eventually I mean, I know that's I know that's a huge part of it is like dream Diaries where you literally right down every single thing that you remember in as much detail as you can right when you wake up no matter what time it is that way you can start to get into that realm of of subconscious streaming where you can control shit and I've always wanted to do that. But man I sleep too. I can't do it. I just I can't do it. I mean I did it wrong twice for this podcast, but I don't do it enough for like if I have a dream that I'm Plumbing which I have had and it sucks and there are stupid like I've had dreams where I'm like working on Thursday saying and I'm like fixing the league and it's like realistic and dumb. I don't want to wake up and write that down in detail. I want to you know, I don't want to write down the details of the cabinet or what size drain it was dead. Was in the cabinet or what brand of disposal it was like I don't want to do that. That's what you have to do. If you want to get that to that level. It's just crazy to me. I mean, but the benefits would be remarkable man. Like you could put yourself in a tower of naked women. I'd like that's exact. I I never thought about that at all. Just York roast I was singing and I'd be like a superhero or Spider-Man thinking of women. So yeah, you better man already like on Family Guy that's never happened to me before Spider-Man. I mean you guys want to see my web sleepy sleeps away thing Man. It is weird. It is I feel there's behind a I feel there's so much behind. The brand that that's so unknown and I feel like I mean the brain I feel is like the only thing that I mean obviously is the only thing that produces these These Dreams these memories are this collection of like fucking shit. I don't know what it is and man the Sandman that comes into your room and makes you dream. No doubt. We'll see how nice it is weird. It is really weird and it's it's exciting to like to really think about because I mean, that's how we ever going to really know like Right. I feel like I mean and I've even had like post-apocalyptic dreams, but I don't feel like my dreams have never been as cool as like an acid trip. Sure. So so so what you're saying is it's possible that you're dreaming state is is in your brain is different than yours off your Acid Trip state in the locations of your brain. Yeah, I mean I would make sense. I don't know the science behind it. I don't know but to me, they're both very different like sure for the most part I can either tell them in the game but there's nothing I can do about it. Like that's me like we're going to know because it's not like it's not like I'm a camera watching anything. I'm I'm like full-on as if like, I'm here sitting here watching me do this right now. Yep. But in my mind, I know okay, I'm dreaming. But I actually have no control. It's just me like as if I'm sitting in my head just like watching through my eyes. Yeah, it's just so weird. It's so weird. I know man, we're living in a simulation. We can't I'm glad you brought that up because I thought of something weird, I you know, I probably can't even take credit for this thought. I probably saw it online. I'm like, oh cool off trying to Rebrand it but I don't I don't know where to get credit. This is the yeah, and then somebody is like dude, you're an idiot. I like read that last week, but I am I don't know if she said it but it definitely wasn't me. I'm not that cool. But like the fact that half of the population give or take is asleep at all times is the only way the simulation can run because if everybody on the entire planet was awake and like Computing data with their brains and and using the simulation it would crash everything dead. And I'm like, whoa, that's crazy. Like if you think about it like horseshit on that. Okay. Well, well, yeah, okay. I live in Florida. That's a big big enough population to crash it. And then like there's a good portion of America still awake don't know you don't know how big the the computing power is of the simulation. So, okay, but here's the thing. I still call bullshit on that because if we are in a simulation then everything we know the whole universe and like that mass distance and all these planets that we don't even know of yet. Yeah. Those are still being computed and there is no way in hell that are a little half of the planet is making any difference in the computing power. That's true. That's true. I mean, hey, I don't see it. That's why it's just a dick. What if we're all dribbles. All right, get the hell out of here. We are intervals in a jar off. Now you're being like all philosophical. I was talking about literal gerbils. Yeah, me too. Okay. All right. We're surrounded by like all over the place a little pout Jimmy here. So here's here's another thought that in this one. I think I had by myself with my own brain. What if our what would possibly happen which will never know this cuz it will never happen every single never sent over. Okay. Well every single living breathing being on the planet went to sleep at the same time. I'm not talking about mass extinction. Everything's done like them about this like straight-up just like I'm going to bed lay down like the entire like Mass Collective of all life slept at the same time. What if that unlocked something with a year that no one could explain or somebody kind of crazy like like Awakening of the universe or something, but we'll never get it because eventually you hear the sound of fucking space and self. Yeah, I mean, could you imagine well, okay. There's so many things that run in the background that are not controlled by humans. You would not hearing like AC units and shit like that. So you're that that would be would be a whole nother level of weird having complete silence from everything in the entire world at one time animal. Most people we you heard of that the most silent room in the world. I think it's in France dude. It makes people go crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. They're going to make people go crazy. Your brain makes you feel yeah your brains as you know, because you're in the and I mean it's kind of like how people you know those off. I think they call them deprivation tanks. Yes. Yes a little float tanks out there in the yeah, they have like some water in it or something. Yeah. So like a lot of people like playing being abducted by aliens bought stuff like that and while they're in there because like they just loosening it. Wow, that's it's crazy like that. Now what could happen would isn't it like really expensive to do one of those or are they like cheaper now for life? I'm pretty sure they're a little more a little more feasible. Okay, I mean why not right. I don't know the prices never realize off in my bathtub. Yeah, that's another I never looked into it. I don't like public pools. I don't like public water. Like I feel I could be really dirty. I mean, I'm sure there sanitizing, you know, I got peed in there before you show that maybe who knows I'm not going to Deprived my senses and peace. Wow, if I get a float tank, it's going to be like in my own house so that I know nobody's going to fuck with me good point but then if you get so you're you're in you're in there and you're getting however, you're feeling and you can't get it out and it's like a loop of of this weird than whatever wage of whatever life. I'm living in my brain through there while I tell you brought away and they fucking tank your wife is like I should maybe let now he's fine, I guess she'll just like poor from formaldehyde and there to preserve me like this charge. Oh just stay in the tank anytime like my parents come over here. You want to see your son off? Yeah. It doesn't do anything anymore, especially lose or you know, yeah, what about sleepwalking? We haven't covered that at all. So I only know of one time that I've sleep slip box like I don't know. It's sleeping walked sleeping. Say it right damn it should happen while I walk so I woke up one morning and I had my jeans on. Yeah and dude. I don't sleep. I don't like sleeping with like closed on other than boxers like oh god. Oh, okay. Okay because it's Florida I can I get your last name here? Same here same here. I'm I'm already a heater whenever I'm in bed. So yeah. Oh do my wife is like a personal thermos. Like I feel like she needs to stay away opposite like I'll be playing your tables like, oh my God. We're you sweating and what it's so hot Jano. So your gross somebody I know I just I don't like wearing anything, but I woke up and I had jeans on indeed like wage. Through my mind for a total Whirlwind, how would it not? Oh, yeah. It was just one of those things like oh my god. What happened? Like cuz I was young like I was a kid. I didn't I wasn't drinking at the time. I was in like Wow might have been doing drug then but it doesn't like a affect me that do drugs six-year-old. And and what the hell it's like I told my boss about it when I went downstairs and she she was like, yeah, you know, I heard you late at night. You just kept yelling ber ber I'm cold and I was like what and said I had to put my pants on in that time because there's just no way in hell. Otherwise, I think it's also funny that she heard you in the middle of the night was just like a slime off. It's fine there think of that. Yeah, I'm cold. Oh God. Shut up. I got a badass. Oh, yeah. Yep. For Josh, we're all called shut the fuk up. You're going to have to be like dead. Why didn't you like help me? She'll be like I I helped you I put the pants on no you didn't. Yeah. She definitely didn't I don't know. I don't think cuz like I was a teenager she probably just thought I was like she probably thought I like woke up and hopped on Call of Duty and I was just talking shit or something. How you talk shit? I'm so cold song Murder cold-blooded murderer. I'm so now you're just like just saying I'm cold man. He's talking some shit off cold, but that kid has a low some hardcore Berto. So I I have slept walked I've sleeping walked months and it's so stupid. I don't know what the purpose was. I don't know what I was thinking or doing, but I was at my this is back back when I was in like sixth grade. It's kind of been like the same time frame of when ever my friend fell asleep with his eyes up while we were playing Mario Party. It was at his house. It was during another sleepover Club. I don't know what happened. But what we would do is they had like a little like upstairs Gameroom kind of and we had like all these blankets laid out and we would just crash out there whenever we both retired and I don't know what happened but I I slept walked and I walked down the stairs without going down the stairs. So I fell down the flight of stairs and rolled and I woke up mid rolling down the fucking stairs Rudisill. I just woke up like just like woke up weapons just like no idea what happened my arm hurt. I hit my knee cap on the wall, and I'm just like laying there all sprawled Outlet. Damn, now, I don't I can't recall ever falling down any flights of stairs. So like I'm thankful for that because it does the same thing is it weird that I've done it a couple of times falling down the stairs not sleepwalking. That was only one time the other times I think I guess I guess I have skateboarding. That's the only time okay. Well that month that's acceptable. Yeah, that's I don't really care that you're not like falling down the stairs because you're just a terrible person that going down the stairs. I have fallen going up the stairs. I've tripped off because one step I swear had had been like larger than all the other steps is a very serious building code about stairs. Yeah, the yep stairs man. I can't recite the code exact because I'm not I work in construction. So I know a lot of these codes, but it's like by OSHA standards or something. I don't just a National Standard. Okay, I think I think it's OSHA and National has to like it's like a big deal because they're going to act because your brain as you ascend or descend stairs, the first three stairs are essentially like your experiment calibration where your brain calibrates the rest of the stairs automatically, that's why you can run upstairs and stuff so fast because but if they're but if they're constructed, okay, I think I remember the code. I'm like 90% sure a quarter inch. So let's say let's say you've got fifteen inches for each stair, which is somewhat generous. Yeah, you can't have 15. You cannot have above 15 and 1/4 oz or 14 and three-quarter below. There's like a half inch margin that you have to be within on every stair or it might even be less. It might even be less than that. I think it's a half inch margin a quarter up or a quarter down. You can't be you can't exceed either and have finished sounds just about right that that's usually the a half inch if anything was sticking up out of the ground and like Disney. Yeah, like I have Finch they've automatically deem it a safety issue. Go fix it go do whatever it needs to be done the layout. Yeah. So I mean that makes sense. This is a quarter inch either way. Yeah. So so yeah know that they they really check it out man. That's that's like a it's a safety thing. You know, I've totally Fallen upstairs. It's probably dead. Didn't calibrate properly or like I just it's not even something that you really control. It just it just it happens as you go. It's like your brain. It's like breathing your brain doesn't automatically like calibrates the it's cool. It's cool. How how we do it. But yeah, I've never I've never heard of like that that that happened so that we even do that as a sending. So that's pretty cool. But I like I would try to be like really fast like as fast as I possibly could and that that's that was the time that I went in and if one of those stairs has that like three eighths of an inch too high and wages of an eighth inch or 1/4 that tiny little metal clip your foot and boom. There you go. It just catches your toenail. So like you're so just yeah exactly and that's just yeah exactly. So but but it it's funny cuz I've literally literally the only time I've ever sleeping walked ever some people off. That's the only time ever but my nine year old she does it a little bit more and it's funny because she the way she does that I've never heard of before and I'm sure I'm sure it's comment. It's just me not knowing but will be Caitlin and I'll be like watching TV and it's always when she has to to go to the bathroom. Oh, that's when it happens. Yeah, but she comes out and she's just like just she her eyes are open and she's walking she's not talking more like hey, hey and she's just ignoring us or like, where are you going? And she's just going she walks past the bathroom and goes down the hall and I'll follow her wage, then she'll just like stand somewhere and starts squatting. Am I no, no, no, no, no, no. No, like don't go here. Don't don't pee on the carpet. You're not supposed to wake them up. You got a letter. I mean, maybe not dead. No, we wake her up, but we don't wake her up like an asshole. We're just like Ava Ava and then she just then she's like, huh? You're like, hey sweetie. She's like what month you have to go to the bathroom and she's like, I'm like, okay and I'll put my hand on her back and like guide her back where she came because she passed the bathroom to go to the bathroom on the carpet off and she's done that. Like, I don't know eight times like it's still come out of a room. And and now now it's happened to the point to where now like herradura open the way that she exits her room where life she has no clue what's going on. But hey, let's go to the bathroom. If we let her she'll just go at a random place like she's just got she'll just go to like, I don't know what's in her mind. She's thinking but she's like I gotta pee and then she'll just go to a random place and start like, all right, here we go. And then when we like really stop her but yeah, no I've off. You mention that because one time when I was really young and I was hanging out at a friend's house who I was spent at night. We were up to like 4 a.m. Watching Battle Bots. Oh cool. Yeah. We were sitting there like placing bets on BattleBots dude, and he had a brother his brother was really weird to begin with like You couldn't whistle around him because if you whistled he did this like it was like, okay, I don't know my bad bro. Yeah, I don't know how to counsel. Yeah, dude, I suck. Sorry to hear that. Yeah, totally. I just keep going up off the man. So we're Chillin in his room watching BattleBots and all of a sudden his brother walks and home. And he just walks right past us right past like in between us and the TV and his brother was like sub-man. Nothing didn't even talk to them. Like I just assume he's just being a dick or whatever. Yeah. I don't know. I like their their siblings they know. So right to talk to you all sudden you guys in the closet and he's like, oh shit he gets up and he's like no no no. No, hahaha. Yeah, his brothers just straight up his right in the court of his closet all over his clothes because the corner of the closet dude was his hamper of dirty fucking clothes. So he pissed in the hamper of dirty clothes, at least they were dirty off a lining. But yeah, but you still got pissed everyone it's like but it's like now I gotta stop what I'm doing and wash them now, you know this well, I mean his mom had to We Were Young we didn't we take care. But I mean, I guess it was like a thing that was common with him. Yeah. No, I mean some some people like like I said that he was really weird to begin with I've had on Thursday. I know what his deal with. Yeah. Well, he's around you too much man. You make people weird. Maybe I only lived there for like Maybe a month in Illinois. Okay. Well, well guys we are about time to just wrap it up for the night and this is our first video one and it was really cool. I I did it. I like it. It's might be something we do more of if you're cool with that and if you're not cool that they might do it anyways cuz yeah, yeah, absolutely. Oh, yeah, definitely want to throw out there before. I like totally forget this little call to action here. 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Yeah, so we want to grow we want to get a big if you guys want to bring more content to you guys and we want to stop Nick from working 55 hours Plumbing every week so that we can do more. Yeah, that'd be great. That'd be great. So I'm dying man dying saying her. Yeah. Well it is what it is. It's it's it's nice. It's nice. I do enjoy it. It's has a lot of perks but it also has a lot of of downfalls but you know, this is what it is. I'm still I am so glad that I that I can do this and that you know, where we are developing a video game. We are doing this podcast. We you know, we we really and I'm kind of going off in a tangent here. I might start crying month. We we do we do like to spend a lot of time with our communities. That's a huge like a huge part of this is just being available to hang out and talk. So super fun talking with everybody. Oh, yeah. I love it. Whether it's about the podcast. It's about game development or if it's just about you if you want to talk to us dead. You know what? I mean, please I mean I I would I would be thrilled to like replace one of my note were these with a listener story that is just crazy or outrageous or something like that. I don't it's not like that like minorities like no absolutely there's only like three other rooms of this house have like that's my life because of Covent so there's very minimal noteworthy wage on my end. Y'all know and y'all know by now. I hope that I will do my best to tell the story in the best possible way and make it fun making funny do whatever I I can do I pretty much just Wing everything but if I have like a nice, you know a nice little package to to to to to kind of go through pretty fun ma'am. Yeah, I agree and I think we have a lot that we could bring we just definitely need a lot more time. And I know that's kind of sounds like an excuse wage. We really do have a lot more. I mean there's a crown. Yeah, it's it's there's a lot we have kids. I don't know if you guys have kids but like that alone takes a lot. My wife has kids. I don't think oh, okay. Yeah, let her deal with that shit know you're quiet now now I'm just like alone in my doosan. This is what God nobody else here though. It's a bad dad. Oh, yeah, so that was as what we got today and we will be back and we do have announcements for the future. We're not going to get into them now, but there's something for super announcements though. Yeah. Yeah. So cool guys. Y'all take care and have a wonderful rest of your week. Goodbye everybody. For those who are actually watching I could wave. Oh, yeah. Josh would like to thank you for sacrificing your time to listen to them. I felt of the support you have shown me. Hope it continues. Happy Halloween. Everyone. Stay safe.