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The Abduction of Katie Beers
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Yeah I agree degree close to I the first degree supposed to have any movies not we'll like we don't talk to strangers but like is your neighbor your stranger out of being i-it's like back then it just didn't seem as scary you know now. They have how to catch a Predator and realizing how many pedophile out there but it's almost like you're naive for the fact that is really could be anybody and somebody that you know is in your neighborhood that we have no idea hey guys welcomed. The first degree the true crime podcast that you might end up on my name is Jack Panic. I'm sitting across from Alexis linkletter and next to Billy Jensen Billy's right next to me on the couch again at all feels right. It feels right the recording at your apartment. Last week was really nice. I mean my apartment is just the new rule is on weekends. When we record we go to Jacqueline's and I really appreciate you guys? Appeasing me. I work you guys super late hours and they come to me as anti step really in writing outlines to they come to me. Thank you and I so appreciate it. Listen I drive an hour and a half across the city. Damn Pot yes if you look if you look at the difference between going from Santa Monica Medicare or wherever you live over to Hollywood you might think if you're living in middle Middle America wow it's ten miles. Oh it's fine yeah. It literally is three days really yeah Nicole. Don't people don't leave their neighborhoods. They don't except for Komo applied relationships and because of that I mean I'd rather date jared who lives six hours away than date somebody that lives in the valley dating me like professionally. We'll come here my professional girlfriend friend no we're. We're sick. We're like a family now. We are weird. We missed a lot you do miss jared what's charities on tour though so not like a love square we're like the love Parallelogram Yeah Romp Lever combat parallel to me too little slanty a little team. We're definitely not square. No how people knew people only new bill July seventeenth. What Day is it today? It's take your poet it to work day. What is that and I will say this? You know how a lot of people get voted <hes> class clown most likely to succeed. I was class poet Yeah Report Yeah but you've never read my my my poetry is is dark in email now from back then it was very what are the words dark and email was dark dark name texting over there posing a picture billion my instagram story. Oh that's sweet <hes> guess Islas most likely only to what at high school most likely to be seen at a concert really. I guess that make sense now did you. The one of the things that I learned is your dad was telling us when we were off. Mike last time is is that he took you when you convince them that you WanNa go on warped tour and follow warped tour around when you were eighteen and then he took you to Cleveland. I think it was was it Cleveland. CHICAGO WAS CLEVELAND IN KANSAS CITY Cleveland. Yeah I had just graduated high school. I literally went to my high school graduation and then I started work for the next day and he flew with me there to make sure that it wasn't like crazy which it was I and the people next me literally rent it out of school bus and it was like a bunch of traveling circus people basically and he just let me go what a guy bill was probably shaken boot now but but that's that's the thing about it with Daddy's. Is this like you have a kid with conviction. She's like I want to do this. I don't want to do any any this other stuff. I WanNa do this and you laid out your case and then you believe in your kid the end and if it all seems right and now now look you well. I also is a very good kid. My parents trusted me so I'm not going to weigh in on my own childhood right. Now we are talking about high school. I was nominated for best is is ooh. How'd you lose beautiful very very political farmer? The only reason why I think are even one the only reason why that category even existed data is because I was on yearbook and we made up the categories and I also I titled Or Yearbook Every Year and I put myself in the yearbook like fifty I literally was on your book to for this reason insane because you're creating history so now go look back in the yearbook. They're going to be wow general vanik. Don't most popular what I individual like. I put myself I put myself like when you yourself in the in the back. I'd I put myself on pages where like my hand. WHO's in a football page and I'd be like walking in the background of I would like talk myself now? There are people on my high school yearbook that were sneaking into group photo to pretend they were in clubs was pretty sure yeah. I did it too. I was very rambunctious. I was just like Smiley like that. I love it just in the ways that matter no no seriously so I mean people that's the thing if you become a killer or if you get killed yourself they're going to go to your yearbook and into look at that stuff all right well. That's enough of that so let's turn down the lights in turn up your anxiety because this could be Katie Beers is childhood. It was not a happy one having fallen into the clutches of a cast of selfish characters who stole her childhood however Katie wouldn't discover a hard life could really be until the eve of her tenth birthday when fate doubter another losing set of cards her disappearance an information about the people around her that was revealed during the investigation sent sickening sense of shock through the suburban treeline streets sheets of Suffolk County the date was December twenty eighth nineteen ninety-two the setting space plex and Smithtown New York Space Plex Family Entertainment Center take a special place for special events or individual family fun from the minute you enter our building your transformed into a magical world of fun that excitement. Everyone's that child at space place are experienced that but management team begin work worked long before you arrive to ensure that success they know that many of the thousands of people who have been entertained at the state of the art facility return again and again. There's so much to do no one ever gets tired of coming to space plans. Space Plex is perfect for schools camps leagues birthday parties but Raises Bar Mitzvahs and every organization looking for the ultimate infobahn at excitement it clean safe friendly environment as you could gather from that killer commercial space plex was an indoor amusement park in arcade in smithtown space blacks. There were actually bumper cars inside there were rides. There were flashing lights everywhere. It was meant to sort of try to transport you into this wonderful world of gaming with video games and rides right at Belli's alley at four thirty P._M.. On December Twenty Eighth Nineteen ninety-two space plex employees were approached by a worried man named John Esposito. He was frantic because he had lost track of the child he would have been entrusted with a little girl named Katie. The employees jumped on board and helped John Search for Katie but she was still missing after an hour. They called her loudly over the intercom. There is no sign of her and the dark indoor amusement park. After hours of searching. Mr Esposito was in tears when he reported kiedis disappearance it was Katie's tenth birthday and he had explained how he had taken her to a toys R. US to buy a video game for president a slurpee at seven eleven and then to space plex the afternoon so massive search went under way behind space plex the indoor amusement park and Smithtown New York their one hundred recruits from this police academy joined by fifteen additional officers searching route twenty five near space packs so the police who aren't participating in the physical search for Katie they start digging into Katie's life and her family and and the supervision she was on on the day that she went missing and the big question is who is this John Esposito and how do the end up with Katie that day esposito was a 43-year-old bachelor from bayshore and a friend of Maryland Beers who was Katie's mother and the Beers family met Esposito about ten years prior when a daughter of one of their friends married Mr Esposito brother Patrick then when Katie's brother John John was about eight or nine back then he would actually spend time with Esposito and he would take him away for the day or for weekend outings and Maryland actually believed that Esposito was a good kind of father figure her for her son to the horror of Katie's family only hours after hearing the news that Katy disappeared from space plaques a new message appeared on the answering machine. The call came in some time after five pen on the very same day Katie had vanished in the voice was believed to be that Katy and they actually weren't sure at the time if the message was actually left by Katie or if someone recorded voice and then played laid-back into a phone receiver therefore leaving the message on her behalf in some other way and the message essentially said that she'd been abducted by a man with a knife in the message ended with Oh my God here he comes us and she sounded to be screaming and sobbing in this message so that you know you can't imagine what the family is thinking upon hearing this but yeah the police luckily were quickly able to locate the actual phone booth that was used and they determined that it had been someone who had played a tape recorder into the phone I was I was going to say the reason that they figured out that it was like taped message or a big reason was there was zero noise behind her voice so couldn't have been at a payphone when there's cars driving by people around or would have been like we more noisy so seemed way to focus to have been from where it was actually from from got. It got it interesting so the police officer who may this determination ultimately said you know she was in our opinion coursed to make that recording so as the police started to dig in a media firestorm ensued food a description of the little girl was blasted across Long Island News Media Catherine Katie Beer was born on December thirtieth nineteen eighty two out of south side hospital and Bayshore Long Island she was blonde forty pounds and was to celebrate her tenth birthday two days after her disappearance and the day after Katie disappeared from Space Plex John showed a Christmas card during the news segment it was a card that she had sent to him and in a childlike handwriting below a printed verse on the card where the words thanks for being like a big brother to me so the investigation revealed that Katie had a an unconventional homelife her mother Maryland was a single mother and a cab driver who struggled to make ends meet and had a hard time caring for Katie and for her older son John who was six years older and Maryland wasn't exactly sure who Katie's father was months after Katie was born Maryland picked up a woman inner cab named Linda in in killer and she and her husband's Sal soon became part of beers sort of extended family and by age four it was reported that Katy would wander through the neighborhood barefoot so it starts getting really unconventional because you have this sort of you know these kind of friends who were caretakers of her and by first grade she could actually be seen hanging out in the streets with no supervision on school days so by age page eight Katie had actually moved in with her godmother and her husband Sal fulltime and she had her own room with a lot of stuffed animals and a one hundred one Dalmatians comforter but it was interesting she would do things for the adults like their laundry and people would see her around town and they were concerned about her. I mean it seemed that she was kind of living off of free food and coffee at the cute t laundromat which is where she was doing laundry Andrea of her caretakers and she would make the runs to the stationery store for potato chips candy and she was buying cigarettes for Linda and Sal who are essentially her godparents again at eight years old well right and I know also that <hes> I read read the kids at school. You know caller like cockroach kid. I mean she looked unkempt. People were worried about our shoes walking around on the sidewalk barefoot her nails. I heard were like black last. She was just not being cared for for a little girl. You don't know how to you don't know you don't know hygiene at eight literally child right so like I said the neighbors were becoming concerned and considered calling child protective services. I actually did call in reported not only that she was absent all the time but also that they just noticing glaring glaring signs of neglect but nothing was ever done and so even though Oh Katie was under Linda and sales care they entrusted Katie with John Esposito too because he was a family friend of Maryland's and they had known each other a long time you know such was the case on the day Katie Vanish from space plex and it looks like kind of the thing where it's like. We're not caring for that much. Yeah you WanNa take her in tickers. Something Fun sure I mean why would we stop you. Meanwhile police were slowly piecing together a timeline for the day that katy witnessing they found out that Katie had been last seen by someone other than John at the seven eleven and Beige for four hours before she was reported missing by him. This is exciting that they're able to corroborate when Katie was recorded on video camera and the store accompanied by John but before the Stop at seven eleven he said he'd taken her to a toys R. US and bought her a troll doll so the detectives have questioned Mr Esposito for more than eighteen hours after he reported Katie missing because although they initially gave him the benefit of the doubt out after chaotic fury of the search for Katie. They started to learn some alarming things about his past. If you're constantly on the go like I am you know that it's very very hard to try to keep a healthy lifestyle and that's why I love one of our new sponsors sun basket with some basket. There's something for every healthy journey and every busy lifestyle it's super easy to use them to achieve your kind of healthy and with delicious meal plans plans like Paleo carb conscious gluten free Mediterranean diabetes friendly and Vegan. 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I knew a family and that house because his brother owned <hes> carpet store in town on hand actually purchased my birth for my parents purchase my first carpet for my I own bedroom <hes> from their carpets door. I remember <hes> so the Front House I remember member. <hes> had these two columns down the sprint there was brisk on if you're facing on the left side there is brick and then a couple of step from the doorway of these two big white columns and then he had <hes> the lion statues in the front of the House and I always thought like they must be for Murphy family you know it was almost legal and away and and not knowing them and not ever really seen an out about working on the or anything anything like that that they see like they were these wealthy an actual people but I always remember the lion statues in front of the house <hes> and thinking that the house is pretty cool. I also was nine years old as <hes> <hes> we were pretty similar in age in nineteen seventy seven John Esposito had been arrested for abducting a twelve year old boy at the Massapequa Mall he had smashed a little boy while falsely Louis claiming to be part of a big brother slash big sister kind of a program he eventually pleaded guilty to reduce charge of unlawful imprisonment involving the sexual abuse of the little boy who had forcibly taken from the mall. The case file was ultimately sealed to protect the identity of the twelve year old victim and after the police found out this information he immediately became a suspect and Katie's disappearance. Yeah obviously my gosh so scared while it's so creepy ed she's kind of predators well and also I had read that John Esposito had I think it was after this had all happened. He tried to actually join a big brother program just to be around little kids and was obviously denied. Right you know he was accused of trying to snatch from the mall which I'm sure it was the mall that wound up working out when I was sixteen years old <hes> but even back then you know there's not the media to find information about people and the Internet didn't exist so I don't. I don't even know if we knew that he was accused of trying to snatch a boy <hes> so like I think we you know we locked down down to the bus stop every day his house you know we're never really worried are concerned or to think about being careful around there because it was you know maybe it could have happened for us. This is a neighbor of art you know he lived literally three houses down through me. Don't talk to strangers but like is your neighbor your stranger in out as being naive like the back then it just didn't seem as scary now that they have how how to catch a Predator and realizing how many set of files are out there but it's like you're naive to the fact that is really could be anybody. Somebody that you know is in your neighborhood at least ten year so given information about John That has learned about this incident. Involving the bureau boy the police understandably had there is on him in the beginning of the investigation and believe before the new story broke about missing child <hes> we have to walk down the whole block and pass that Zito's house to get to my bathroom. I lived on <hes> one corner of Rock'n avenue and our bus was on the next corner and so we had to walk to cool my sister and you know our next door neighbor and across the sheet neighbor and we noticed a car were sitting outside literally across the street from my house and there were too many sitting in the car for several days and and so we start parents and he said something feared like these guys that he cards in the last couple of days and he actually got nervous so my mom started being down the street so but these were undercover officers watching the home of John Esposito so in addition to the red flags in his past security cameras also disclosed that John had actually entered space plex by himself off Katie had not been seen in the security footage entering with him and I have to say as a result of this negative publicity space plex really suffered my God and the irony there is that it was a very safe place as for kids I mean they had security guards every door in bed surveillance video and it's just like you know sucked because Katie was never even there and this does this whole thing was like she was abducted from space plaques lax and it's like she was their space books anymore really dangerous place to go exactly but it wasn't long before police would soon learn that there was more than one Predator that was in Katie's orbit in this case. You know they're thinking obviously it's John would not be as open shut as they initially hoped it would be so in begs more questions if John was responsible where was Katie you know like doc what could have happened between the stop for a slurpee at seven eleven and their arrival at space plex which was not very long between the two so the after mentioned complications in terms of a suspect we're revealed when family and friends told police about a long running custody dispute between Katie's mother Maryland in Sal and Linda so remember Linda is Katie's Godmother and sal is has hurt Linda's husband so the custody fight included accusations by Maryland that sal had actually sexually abused Katie and Sao was thirty nine and he'd actually been charged with this. The previous October charged with sexually abusing Katie after mother Maryland Beers filed a complaint with the Suffolk County Police Department Sex Crimes Unit based on these accusations but that case file what was hampered due to return calls from Katie's family members wants the police did start to pursue action so the accusation was made like I said by Katie's mom but was denied denied denied denied by sal who claimed that the reason was making these accusations was because of this bitter fight over custody of Katie and basically after these allegations were made by Maryland Katie actually moved back in with her mother Maryland her grandmother and her brother John but this is not like an idyllic homecoming because you know on January third nineteen ninety-three police documents revealed that John was actually arrested for attacking his mother Maryland and punching hunching are several times after an argument in when the police did arrive his mother was holding him down so chaotic household yes chaotic to say the least yes so the investigation at this the point is completely entangled inside Katie's ties to these two troubling families and the two men close to Katie the husband ever godmother and the family friend who is the last person to have seen her they they have both been accused of sexually abusing child although it should be mentioned that John Esposito's role as the obvious number one suspect faded somewhat when they learned that sal and gallery had been accused of sexually abusing Katie in October so she's she is in the the worst situation possible disgusting. It's shameful that this many adults around you could see this toxic and that nobody does anything we'll then. What are the odds that you go from one to another happens quite quite a bit does yeah so we're on the debt of summer right now and I'm a New York and it's humid AF and my hair is very very frizzy and I don't like it but it doesn't have to be thanks to living proofs no FRIZZ line so they're no FRIZZ system uses breakthrough scientific technology designed to keep for as it bay so your hair stay soft and smooth even on the you don't wash style it there? 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Jack was talking to me earlier when we were doing research about how could happen that so many people could notice that something was wrong and not do anything in what I mean we reference actually this in a really sick way. We were talking about the final episode of Seinfeld's where Elaine Lane Kramer George and Jerry C._A.. Guy Being harassed on the road and they kind of mock him and they don't do anything because they assume somebody else well yeah. It's a little worse than that and that episode but I think we can all understand this idea that like if you hear someone screaming aiming outside in a lot of people are like Oh my God. Did you hear about you think someone else is going to the kitty. Kitty genevieve's case where where they said it was thirty eight people who heard it wasn't exactly thirty eight but you know who would pick up the phone and who would run down there when the hurt somebody in this apartment complex screaming for help you know the Seinfeld episode was trying to show how many people there though I of course yeah and then really but you know it's considered the bad finale but if you think of it this way I loved it too if you think of it as they die in the plane crash because it was a plane crash a plane going down if they die and then that's actually them trying to the they're you're getting into heaven. They're trying to get into heaven and this is this is their purgatory and they have all these people come forward and say how horrible they are. You think of it that way actually like the episode it's kind of like then that kind of makes it lost. I didn't interpreted it like that in either. They went to jail L. A. Year anyways. It's like the bystanders syndrome where it's like you if there is so many other people around you're just GonNa assume that somebody else is GonNa take responsibility for something. Especially the abuses that obvious obviously it was noticing that Katie was being neglected or abused and there are so many obvious signs so surely somebody else would say something like family member someone you saw the because I was home from college at the time because it was December ninety two and and you would see her you know her her face on the cover of Newsday was going to cover the newspapers and you see it and she just she had that sort of half smile of somebody that I mean you never wanna say that either WanNa projector say oh the person is scared or something like that but you could just tell there is something just not right and then you would see the people that were surrounded by her and you'd hear these interviews with this John esposito character and this sal guy and it just everything just felt wrong about one and then just the and and and troubling about the case and my dad I remember I mean this was this was it was everywhere and I just remember my dad just like watching this over and over again and you know as it was unfolding as the police police were were constantly doing tons of searches and all these different areas his chunks and the media and everything started camping outside on our flock and we were watching the news I remember being in living room <hes> they say something and my parents were watching the news and we saw a house three doors down upon so we recognize it and learns of the story and House thing I knew he was black thirsty in her days. After that are street was hacked wish onlookers I guess and just I mean Carta car traffic <hes> he has still get walked to the bus. Stop <hes> 'cause they're much traffic and filming people. It was almost scary. <hes> actually remember holding up signs one weekend that said <hes> keepdriving because this is chest but after that they did wind up blocking off our streets traffic so from the choose from my house I'm not corner so the next one of our that was they had <hes> sloughed off the seat and you could only the end and if you lived on that lock and you had <hes> so back in nineteen ninety three and when we were to have any I e so actually remember when j <hes> my sister had something after school and had take L._A.. Fun and she could not get back down our street though instead they had around jumping since the Negras yard and my parents being really that's <hes> it was just kind of crazy in that sense so the media coverage and bizarre revelations about Katie's life during a barrage of tips from the public to Suffolk County police were inundated with calls from people across the country who said that they had seen little Katie around town. The search brought to lay a bulging case file file from the county's Bureau of Child Protective Services About Katie and raised all these new questions not only about Katie's life amid sickness squalor and alleged sex sexual abuse but also about her treatment by school in County officials who are responsible for protecting affecting our welfare. Why was nothing done when the school reported what they perceived to be abusive C._P._S. and did these negligent actions ultimately cost the life of this child so as far as the investigation suspects were concerned at this point point interest shifted back to John and it's meter when I think to was like that that craziness girl a little while and then after they I remember after they like blocked off the street to like at that point? It's not like nothing happening because now we didn't have the chaos of the media and the car coming through and at that it was just like a waiting game like you know we didn't know obviously what the peace doing they were searching and that kind of stuff but almost you know is frozen in time during that period interest did shift back to John once more when a disturbing and chilling admission was made by Katie's then sixteen year old brother John John confessed to his family but he had been sexually abused by John Esposito and there's little John Obviously in big John here child John and adult adult pedophile John so in fact the police eventually confirmed that they had investigated a complaint made by Maryland Beers a year prior that alleged that John Esposito had molested her son over a seven year period in which he spent weekends at their home so Katie's brother John's said that Mr Esposito sexually molested him but he declined to get further details and he said that I didn't really remember anything until loss December and he said that his memories memories of sexual abuse came back to him and he is being interviewed by police in connection with Katie's appearance and <hes> I did read that he seemed to be very like pulled into directions because while he was saying that he was sexually abused he was also saying that John Esposito was a friend and he didn't want anything like bad to happen to him so he was kind of being pulled in these two like very common law rising directions what happens when your your dad is a criminal or something. It's like yeah <hes> you get so torn and he was such a big brother father figures so it's like you don't want to look at somebody probably in that bad of a light even if they're doing terrible though and they they've groomed you and you feel guilty in that's what a lot of pedophile zoo. It's like I could get in trouble. You want that like if you ever tell. We can't see each other anymore can travel my life will get ruined yeah. It's such manipulation bullshit so after Katie's brother came forward with the abuse allegations against Esposito Zito they had enough to search esposito's home and law enforcement go in to the house at Fourteen Sixteen Saxon Avenue and they spend two hours there on December thirty first. Obviously it's New Year's Eve sexually the day after Katie's tenth birthday and she's been missing now for four days they dig through piles of leaves and they say that they searched every drawer in every room. They tear the helm apart. There's no sign of the little little girl anywhere and things are looking more and more grim but the search did turn up a couple of things so the F._B._i.. Who is actually conducting the search they took samples of two stains in the home and they also discovered an instruction manual and it was an instruction manual for a new tape recorder which may be irrelevant but they were called the message left by Katie after see she vanished and they start thinking could the tape recorder? Have I've been related to that. They didn't know but it was something that was sticking in their head and obviously none of this you know the stain and the tape recorder nothing out there is a smoking gun and none of these things obviously sleeper Katie so they're still drawing a blank and they're still conducting multiple searches everywhere looking for this little girl throughout the duration of the investigation indicators disappearance John had steadfastly maintained his innocence and the hope that Katy would be found alive of course is dwindling with every passing day. I mean generally the rule. Is You get forty eight hours in with every day that passes the likelihood of you being found on forget unharmed alive dwindles drastically but the end of the mystery surrounding the ominous fate of Katie Beers be in two weeks after Katie disappeared when John esposito walked into his lawyer's office in announced. I've something to tell you I know where Katie is his lawyer Sydney Sivan said he immediately called the authorities and John Esposito went back to the House in the detectives were waiting when officer said we called her name at first and she didn't answer so there was some concern as to whether or not she was still alive with then out of nowhere she appeared a little forty pound doll. She looked a little frightened by all of us but she was so happy to be out turns out the John. esposito Kazuko had abducted Katie in held captive in an underground bunker. She may have even heard them searching for her. The first time they went to the house breaks my heart is the only thing I remember from her. Her rescue is that my grandfather who lived next door to us <hes> 'cause she was taken out <hes> an breed in the middle of the day so my parents at work and year school <hes> but my grandfather was home and he said he remembered her leaving in the Cakar and he was actually happy and raving people are in smiling and stuff so we kind of were like she's okay and almost miracle like just she was found <hes> she was not physically injured or anything like that are here so she's running through crazy traumatic experience but <hes> that she was happy to be out and she was D- I'm sure very thankful so they will most like a happy story at the end of her being found Alexa isn't the only one with breaking news make sure to hang around at the end of his podcast for the latest breaking headlines on the A._p.. News Minute Hello. I'm Brad Jenkins post the fired up podcast. We're fired up your joining us and that the whole point of the podcast we're going to have guests on to talk about the thing that they love the most. We picked the perfect I test Senator Cory Booker here. We Are Getting Jersey shore jokes every five minutes because look people who Staten Island. I didn't even live in Jersey. They gave us a bad name. fired up with Brad Jenkins new episodes weekly subscribe now on Apple podcasts and at podcast warm dot Com Katie was taken to the third police precinct and hop hog or she was questioned by detectives and examined by police physician and <hes> there was no initial word on what she told police and of course that information be very delicate. This is a newly turned ten year old girl so once Katie was in safety the police examine the home and the bunker that Katie had been held in for seventeen days the answer to the hiding place appeared to have been made deliberately difficult to get to there were shelves and a Stereo area system and a bar that all had to be removed by taking out the bolts then there was a carpet that had to be rolled back and finally there's a two hundred pounds slab of concrete covering a trap door the had to be moved decide. This then exposed a ladder leading. Leading to a tunnel that ended up at a locked door to Katie's little room that she was being held in this room six by seven feet and it was soundproof and no matter how loud Katie might have yelled for help. Nobody could have heard her in his house and inside the room. There is closed circuit television installed in the bunker she could here and see what was going on outside in John's house and he had installed a monitor in the room with a camera and the part of the main house. Here's if somebody he he was the mayor to that family you know he took her to face plex and then <hes> smithtown on Long Island and you think he's taking her there for her birthday on the great birthday present and then all of a sudden shoes doesn't come home. I mean and he had the insane insane bunker like I don't you know cops were in the home and they were in that room where you would get to the bunker and they still had no idea so this was Tori premeditated unplanned. He builds it. <hes> couldn't find her an they found her alive. This is one of the craziest cases because the realization that Katie had been there during the first search with a closed-circuit television watching the people searching for her and not only that she's watching. She's ten years old. She scared as hell. She's watching these news reports on the T._v.. Set She knows that people looking for she knows that they're searching for her in the woods and all these places then she actually sees them in the house. I'm sure she's screaming but the bunker that this guy made was so hidden the police said I remember them sent. They would never have found it never if if he didn't give it up and you know there was also even though it was incredibly soundproof a bunch of heavy rain and snow had fallen end so the little sell that she didn't she was in was like all damp and frozen that was just a miserable place and I remember so. We don't want to give this up earlier but while my dad was watching TV every day he would see this guy and he would say this guy knows us and he I remember my dad's saying that this guy knows <hes> my parents actually told me when they first <hes> moved into the area <hes> they moved into our house in nineteen seventy eight and they had you narrow introduce themselves perform neighbors and they had gone for this Zito House and <hes> they said that you know his mama dancers a door and they were polite but almost not standoffish but they could just the by the they weren't interested in you know being friendly neighbors that will have barbecues and together <hes> and as they learned as they got a little bit <hes> workweeks with the neighborhood was that <hes> Um John was lately slower. <hes> you know probably like this learning disabilities or a little bit lower and it seems that two pairs was very protective of him and <hes> so we didn't he in out much much <hes> especially compared twin brother <hes> and then the brother that Rhonda both the carpet store there were more familiar with them and not really familiar with John <hes> and then when the parents died. Ah Is I think for knee kind of you know John was kind of not kept as much as they were or looked over by the parents and so he was a little bit more free to do what feeling I suppose you can stay my sisters. <hes> current boyfriend went to high school with John and it didn't hang out with him or anything. He wasn't super familiar with him. I think he said you're in a little bit as runner. It was a bit on the side so John Esposito is arrested arraigned. He's ordered held on five hundred thousand dollars cash bond so when John Esposito was arraigned arraigned it included in eleven count indictment handed out by grand jury and upon these charges being handed down the judge basically doubled the five hundred thousand dollars bail that he was initially given give in in update to one point one million under thousand for each count. I'm just GONNA review a couple of these counts because I'm not going to bore you guys with all eleven. They're all equally heinous and disgusting. The I count <hes> alleged abducted and restrained the victim for a period of more than twelve hours of intent to violate or abuse or sexually second was kidnapping with intent to commit sexual abuse third kidnapping with intent to terrorize fourth four thirty six his intention was a subject Katie to sexual contact by forcible compulsion touching her vaginal area and buttocks so it goes on and on this is about a ten year old girl. We don't need to read them all but just so you get the picture in while he was standing for the judge he had his head Hung Lau in cops and he stood silently throughout the entire time and he was returned to the county jail and he was not able to make bail in that is where he stayed and he was also ordered to hell he held separate from the other prisoners and kept under twenty four hour suicide watch so his lawyer entered a plea of not guilty on all counts and it's worth mentioning that after Katie's Haiti's rescue police investigators dogs started searching the grounds of Katie's subterranean prison John esposito's house for signs of other missing children and basically the police said you know we're trying to find out if there were previous occupants because I mean you don't need to be a police officer to realize is that in seventy seven he was caught trying to snatch a twelve year old boy and if he hadn't been caught Lord knows I would have done <hes> then he was opportunistically molesting Katie's older brother for seven years and now he's got Katie in Dungeon. I mean it would baffle me if you hadn't done it before right John Esposito in his house he also had is pretty much like a children's Disneyland. I guess there was a basketball court. There was a pool he had a front porch was just like a great place for kids to play and you know there are always children around and his house and the next door neighbor named Theresa Stone said that she often saw Mr Esposito who was never married with always around children and all these children's swam with him in the pool played basketball him in the yard and she just said <hes> that all the information was just very hard to believe. I do believe that a couple of the children from the House across the street from him <hes> did hang out because he had he lives in behind the main house and like a garage Josh convert an apartment <hes> with lots of video games and kind of kid pay teams <hes> so I do know that <hes> there were some boys from the neighborhood that hung out there but <hes> my sister's an IRA never <hes> <music> forever hung out there so how exactly was John Esposito able to pull this thing off now remember. He's a general contractor so he had the skills to transform transformed the garage into this bungalow in stealth mode yeah so he was a contractor and then <hes> the house had a a tall all like privacy fence from the driveway so you couldn't see much in the backyard but my dad did say when they interviewed neighbors after she was found and they kind of crushed in like you hear this bunker being the bill for and my dad does like overheard hammering and we heard you know construction but you know maybe they were working on offense or maybe he was building. I mean nobody was going to assume he was building a compared to capture a child in like that's not something you would report to because somebody building something in their backyard they were never any fines if anything suspicious going on in the back of their house even when he was those are hit back and you know the whole family really to themselves and his brother is twin brother and his wife read this front house before and I think he didn't even know what he was doing there and he would add a room here at a room there then add a second story and then finally about a year earlier he would add this the yellow carport in the back of it so this whole house was kind of like ramshackle unshackle but it was it was well built in a sense but there were windows and doors and several levels and several entrances and I'm sure it wasn't up to code now but an but this guy had the access is up to ninety three space blacks was not up to code and by the way I dance based black and already told you I texted you both been there before and I was like do you know that filed for bankruptcy in ninety six and be probably because nobody went after the Katie beer shown they're also in the mob and did organized crime stock fraud. They filed for chapter eleven and then space plex turned into a roller hockey arena and that was my home arena when I played professional roller hockey. There's no such thing as professional there is I got paid five hundred dollars a week pie professional special athlete I got the first penalty illeg history and Major League roller hockey history and I spent pretty much the rest of the season on the bench. I still got paid. It sounds like why all right. Let's get back to Esposito in this story so just because they have John. ESPOSITO and custody doesn't mean obviously that their investigation is over. They have a lot to try to piece together and figure out so so the investigators were continuing to peel back these layers that these layers of secrecy and by doing so they're confronted with elements of a story that some likened to fictional accounts in John Fouls owls novel the collector and in the Thomas Harris Bestseller and movie the silence of the lambs in fact an agent of the Federal Bureau of Investigations National Center for the analysis of violent crimes in Quantico Join Police investigators in Bayshore in an effort to study parallels to standard pedophile cases and you know a fictional f._B._i.. Behavioral Science Specialist Tracks a serial killer Emma silence of the lambs and in the collector a recluse and a butterfly fancy a and prisons of women in who love he covets and like I said this about the Rifkin episode these pop culture references are like filters to make these things more palatable and it's like yeah. It's the horrors. Katie experienced experienced in her childhood. You know there should be no. There's no filter on it. I mean it's it's deplorable. You know <hes> but that's what people were saying in the media back then so if you're listening to this podcast you obviously are a fan of true crime so you obviously listen to and probably watch a lot of things about murder and other various scary things but when it comes to the comfort of your own home you WanNa feel safe and secure and that's why we we love one of our sponsors A._D._T.. So A._D._T.. You can get all the latest innovation in Smart Home Security combined with twenty four seven monitoring from one of the smartest most trusted names in home security. They have a team of professionals designing and installing a secure smart home just for you eighteen thousand employees safeguarding you with connection to first responders and they're the nation's number one smart home security provider. 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He said that it would was going to turn up a conviction so Esposito said all right while you're gonNA do a background. Check on me but just to let you know it's going to turn up this conviction a one thousand nine hundred seventy eight abduction case and we are the abduction happened in seventy seven the he pled to Lesser Charleston Seventy and he said that <hes> that it was actually carried out by his twin brother and his twin brother was using his name's. WHO's like it's not me? It's the twin brother and remember one of the big things and crime. It's never twins so <hes> Friedman said we became suspicious rightfully so and then rejected him then in nineteen ninety bayshore resident call the big brothers organization and said that they had taken a flyer posted a supermarket by Mr Esposito and here's what the flyers said so Esposito actually went to a supermarket and posted. I'm a long island big brother. If you you have a son who you think needs a man's influence I may be able to volunteer my time. Everybody needs a man in his life and he said he had been abroad big brother for more than ten years and had quote character references and Friedman reported reported this to the police Esposito actually advertised again in the penny saver bold bald the penny saver such a public your lie. It's one thing that flyer you could be like no awesome me up like to put it in a newspaper. Remember though he's doing this in the late eighties early ninety s what's what's not around though yeah the Internet's not around yeah he would be all over the Internet. Now you know this is a guy that would be we end up on to catch a predator. He's worse so then in December he would have killed Katie. I really believe that eventually eventually yeah because that's usually what happens you thank you do either right yeah you spice seven room yeah or you died from neglect or potentially what he was waiting for was for able maybe escape with her but <hes> yeah I mean what they did was. They just sat out there. It was a waiting game it was they they they just leaned on him so hard that he eventually broke and they knew they knew what they were doing. They had no idea that she was going to be in the house. They thought I I think they thought she was dead. This data wants to know where she was and we're her body was right so it's American we found out that she was alive. This was a big it would like like you said it was considered a miracle funny at people talked about it as it was growing up because we keep saying that like it was Susan Smith. I went to Smithtown high school so I'm from here but I was seven in ninety two. I was eight ninety three. This was so I was her age. You know this is not something I was privy to until it was older. This was uh-huh. Did they use this as a warning. Did your parents like no see that's my dad would always do that like the John Pious case with the yeah with the kid who who <hes> what they thought was that he was going to knock on some kids heads for stealing a bike and they killed them by shoving rocks down his throat and my dad by member him telling me you know don't tell on on kids. Don't don't don't put yourself in that situation because of that so every story the the the I mean 'cause that was at a high school. That was an elementary school out my in my school district Dogwood elementary is behind it as where it happened and it was like our neighboring elementary school and it's like it's a story everybody knows and it's like one of those town urban legends you know but it is so much worse than that yeah yeah. That's the truth of that story I mean is yeah and then so we had that story and then we also had the rookie casio stuff from northport which is also on the north of Long Island which was the satanic quote unquote. Satanic murders turns out it was L._S._D.. Think bad but <hes> you know long island was a messed up place. This long island is Long Island was what Florida is today is still messed up and that's for another time okay that was a very cute long island nostalgic tangent but like let's get back act this big brother thing and because there was even more like everybody was sort of on him as far as big brother facade so there are actually been a time that Merlin Beers had contacted Mr Friedman with the brothers and sisters with concerns about out John Esposito the in December of ninety-one Maryland Beers contacted Friedman saying that Esposito had been involved with her son for about seven years and asking if he was actually a registered big brother and Friedman said I told her no he's not a big brother and he said he then referred the case over to the sex crimes unit of Suffo- county police but he was told that there's not much that they could do so. Let's get back to the hero and the story Katie Beers after her rescue gifts were flowing in from across the country including money raggedy end-all stuffed bears school supplies close and bugs member actually is well. He did <hes> rush right our whole class. wrote letters can ears. Actually I have no idea if she's ever sounds like ours future. <hes> had everybody write letters to her telling her that you know you're sorry for what happened to her for in and you know that we're getting well and we were thinking her in that kind of stuff and people were Kinda wondering what she was going to do because she was essentially famous for having survived her whole ordeal and and people were offering her up to two hundred fifty thousand dollars for a story producer started coming out of the woodwork promising to make movies and that's whether she was involved or not and I can't even imagine being in our position after being so traumatized and the having people trying to either throw money at you or make money off of you know in the lawyer who represented Amy Fisher in the Joey Mary Jo Buttafuoco case his name's Air Nyberg Yeah he was approaching. Katie like all all look after her for free like I'll liaison these deals. It's like this is a ten year old child who has just been like you know. She's not trying to get the entertainment industry. No she needs to heal man just needs to heal and this is this is actually a perfect opportunity. Jack and I were talking about this before these psychics in this case Jack. Why don't you get into that a little bit so there were I think there are four different local psychics that offered up their services for? For Free One of them ended up working with Linda who was Katie's got mother and then they ended up finding this note. That basically said that Linda was like he's favorite person in the world so that I sure like very really good off the timing yeah <hes> and then so Maryland ended up hiring her own second so it was like these psychics that were like against each other trying to find INFO and Maryland psychic basically said while all this was going down and there was no no real info out other than like John Zito was a suspect he was like you know. Katie is for sure with John being held underground behind a red door. That's what he said and then he and that she's alive and that she's alive and that the phone call was made from a phone booth that was like right behind space blocks so then when all this information came out he was pretty much like ninety percent right about all the information minus there was no red door and then there was no or the location of the work she called a little bit different yeah but so when this happened then once she was rescued. The psychic guy was like writing these hotels he did like people magazine shoot in front of John Esposito's house house because he was almost almost fully right. We'd like most fully right it is just went out on a limb people. She'd okay so to be clear. She'd been missing for almost two weeks so when that that's the case your expectations are really low as far as the news. You're going to get about whether the child has survived so it's like a long shot to sickly the I mean I don't believe in psychics at all. I think they really do prey on on people that are in. I need a psychics always it's usually missing persons story so come out of the woodwork with person stories. I've worked on missing persons cases when people have come like Oh. I'm going to work with the psyche. I'm pleased L.. It's not gonNA work you know. Suffolk County had never really dealt with this before where they had to take a minor into custody and they were sort of <hes> tasked with like protecting her from the media firestorm in from predators in a whole new respect which <unk> are after her for money. You're you know her life story or her life rights and it's just something they weren't ever having to deal with so the family court judge in this case actually assigned property guardian to her <hes> in they they were going to be tasked with anything having to do with her. Money and Katie was initially placed in a foster care home and for three weeks after she's placed in the home she was loud visitation by her mother Maryland to kind of like see how it would go yeah <hes> like let's see if this woman helps her or hurts her because this is actually good time to talk about this because Marilyn was fighting for Katie back in like she she gave Katie up and was letting her live with this couple but you know she did report. I think you're molesting my daughter about Sal Linda's husband she did report. I think John is being molested by this guy to by John Esposito she goes to the big brothers and sisters. Hey I think this guy is missing. My son like she wasn't least listen. I think she's neglect fall. I think she's probably not well and I don't have any information to say whether she was or not but I do think she loved them. I think she's troubled. Yeah and I think that it's very easy to say this mother. Just just put them out there as chum for the sharks but where is she going to go and she needed help. She's a single mother. She said she at least was like you know reported when she had suspicions about Sal reported call Toco big brothers view is this one hundred percent negligence wasn't like I don't give damn she was like you know but this is. This is the thing about like impoverished women. They have so few resources to even like protective families in that like how do you stop your kids from getting into drugs dogs and getting into crime if you don't if you're working six jobs yeah to keep a roof over the head but then you're not there to supervise. It's a real difficult situation and this is this is where they were constantly talking about her in all the followups ups about this case Katie Beers the phrase that was consistently used is she fell through the cracks. She fell through the cracks of the system because the system because when when you're in that situation situation when you have a mother that is not doing well and then you have the sharks that are coming in like these family friends quote unquote that are that are taking into these kids that is when the system that is when the government that is when you know the the caretakers is supposed to come in and help and she just fell through the cracks. I never thought about the fact that we're you choose to live directly affects pretty much all the other aspects in your life I know when I moved into my new apartment. It was like a weight was lifted off my shoulders and I was like a new person and I found my apartment through apartments dot com so apartments dot com has the most listings which means you have the most apartments townhomes condos or houses to choose from to unlock your full potential to be the best version of yourself. 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She walked around the streets barefoot but she went to school consistently and she was regimented and that they had her do little healthy chores around the house to feel like part of the family and make her feel will like she had purpose and things that kids need and you don't even realize how important these things are when you're growing up and more importantly than anything though they really shielded her from the horribly intense media interest in Katie the and remember she's ten like you see what like tons of fame can do a sixteen year older like this can be really damaging completely did not indulge any of that which is probably the best thing that could have done for her and she grew up and she got older and she went to high school and she played volleyball East Hampton high participated in drama in went to college in Pennsylvania and there she earned a degree and Meta man who would become her husband and you you know it's you know with a little <hes> stability I mean she probably never would have had that and if she'd stayed in world situation she actually said that. This event saved her life. So Katie survived grew up and twenty years later she wrote a book she said in an interview that she spent time reflecting on her life and decided to call the memoir buried memories. She doesn't have the contact with her biological mother brother but maintains a close relationship with her foster parents siblings in East Hampton she wrote that she'd been molested and raped by sal her godmother's husband from the time that she was a toddler she also wrote the Esposito Zito had raped her on the dungeon and she explained that she repressed memory of the sexual assault for many years as a defense mechanism so she was also talking about how <hes> like. She's trying all these different tactics with John when she was trying to escape and one of the things was she said that she would run super far away and should never tell the police about him and she would say that she just ran away to escape the abuse and he kept telling her how he wanted to keep her and he wanted to have kids with her and he wanted to have this life with her but she basically said to try to get out of it in an impersonal way that by the time I'm able to have kids. You won't be able to have kids anymore so he wouldn't be mad at her yeah but so for a ten year old old survival mode man but adults world though she she knew how to survive she was walking around as a as a first grader she knew how to survive. She'd been praying on before you bright when you're there are more like sex offenders and child abusers out there that we realize and they're just waiting for on chaperoned child barefoot to be walking down the street like I'm sure she's averted many a situation given what we've been told about her her bright and I'm not trying to make assumptions just like you know a lot of a lot of abusers are opportunistic as is what we saw with Esposito in the Massapequa Mall when he snatch a twelve year olds you know like they are opportunistic and she was along a lot right. Kitty also wrote that during her time the dungeon she rarely slept Jack and we're talking about this because she was afraid not only that he would abuse her from when she was asleep but she was afraid that he would take a picture of her where she looked like she was dead and then send it to the police and then they would stop looking for her right like that's what you read too right Jack Yeah well. I think that he told her that he wanted to take a picture of her looking like she was asleep and she was like absolutely not so anytime that he would give her food dot wasn't in its prepackaged package. She refused Ito and just put it aside because she knew that it could be drugged or she did. She can tranquilized or whatever or poisoned right and so this I have to say as I was researching. I literally I was up really late. I was really tired but I started crying so she also wrote put about celebrating her tenth birthday as a prisoner and she was actually heard on audiotape after the police sees the scene and found a tape recorder in the Dungeon and and she had actually been singing happy birthday to herself into the tape recorder horrible and this is when she was turning ten years old and like the loneliness inferior. It's like the comfort you can give yourself must have just been like <hes> it really that really mess with me but today. She says she has no recollection of that but that was what was on the recorder so because I mean that's just you're in a place of such sadness of course you don't remember that because your brain is protecting. Can you right so while she was captive. This Monster Fed her junk food soda and to this day she's repulsed by chocolate after dinner mints because they were staple in captivity liberty and Esposito's home and she did have access to a small T._v.. As we've said multiple times and there was closed circuit cameras but she says she can no longer listen to Whitney Houston's version of I will always love you exit played incessantly on M._t._v. and V._H._1. On a loop while she was in the dungeon in that broke my heart too because that is a song I love like that is like one of the most like Impact Hull Yon like reverberating songs like if you're in love never in that I'm sure she's got a visceral horrible reaction to it as she should. That's that's a trigger. That's what it is. Oh so as far as the fate of Katie's abusers esposito pleaded guilty to kidnapping charges in exchange for fifteen years to a life sentence and sal didn't get off scot-free free either he ended up serving twelve years in prison for molesting Katie and he gets out in two thousand six but then he moves from his home at a Bachar Motel without notifying finding authorities and because a Megan's law the police track down in North Carolina and he's arrested again and then he dies in jail after he violates parole. What's interesting about that is I was reading more but he was just like I'm scared to be in suffolk like he got much media attention so sorry molest children yeah but that's what that's what happens like their targets and it's like but that's that's what she get? Sorry sorry don't do it and you add more than that Dick Bag Shitty Shitty it g who uses that Shit really new word Burger. Don't call me at show Biz baby working. We're trying to make that our new tagline but we don't. We never really know what so we ask Christina. I mean it's been many years since this incident occurred at down the street doors away from her home and we asked her if this has changed anything for her moving forward and how it's kind of affected her to this day I mean I don't know if there's any the other words I is a monster for somebody that could plan to use it to a child you know even if he has some mental and learning disabilities and needs to vent this vision like there. There's really no excuse easiest for what did he took you know <hes> she was in under the underground for seventeen days with no bathroom. They just unbelievable conditions and you know whether he I thought he was saving her from her life or not like that's not the way you to it as I've gotten older when I think about the situation I don't know if it consciously ever changed the way I officers or approach people universe it definitely while my nephew comes over <hes> we're constantly you know we check in a lot more aware when we were younger we got to we wrote our bikes after school and we played and we just came before guard right our parents nuclear in the neighborhood and we came back now I think we check on my nephew every fifteen or twenty minutes and make sure that we were they are who they're playing with and and that kind of thing so I think it has affected <hes> you know people a bit more than it would have. If we had an experience there so September of two thousand thirteen John US Zito's found dead unresponsive at prison in New York and at at the time of his death he appeared to be that suspicious and he was found hours after he appeared in front of the Prison Parole Board at the Sing Sing prison and he was denied all right so what it is Katie Beers doing now and we now she thrives in high school and as soon as she had I think some stability and structure in her life she was doing probably pretty fabulously but we can do know that she earned a degree in business she has job in insurance a husband who loves her two children and she lives in rural Pennsylvania and today it's been twenty six years since her abduction and subsequent rescue and I think she's a hero absolutely God yeah she's been through the ringer and she has really prevailed sorted. We learned today. I mean I think Katie Beers is the ultimate survivor absolutely they were leaning on this guy so hard. This guy had other victims. I'm sure how to the victim yeah yeah career other kids in the neighborhood. I mean other than those two like you. Just No. I mean it's hard to come forward now. I mean nineties like the chances are even slimmer eighties seventies when he started like people people look the other way. I feel like a lot more back in the day to where it was like all these different things that he was doing to try to get himself around kids to like. We're healer hearing about failed the test. All of our wholesome abducted in plain sight is a is a great example of that where it's like things. Were just a lot you just you hadn't heard via the like media circuses or the Internet that there's pedophile like people were still living in this time of innocence won't also it wasn't as weird as a single single middle-aged man to be hanging around kids that he wasn't related to like. I feel like that kind of stuff doesn't fly as much these days. It's weird now. We had that there was there is a couple of of coaches in <hes> junior high that would take four kids from junior high on on like cross country trip and it always was weird yeah which is what the Hell's going on here yeah and my dad was but that was like yeah. There's no frigging way her ever going on that. No on that no thank you to Christina our first degree guests and if you guys are one degree away from murderer other stranger-than-fiction in crime at please write US hello at the first degree podcast dot com or on Instagram at the first degree add Alexis linkletter at Bill Johnson at gigantic. Please join our first degree facebook group just search at the first degree on facebook. It's closed group. We're talking all all things true crime. It's been popping off and last but not lease go get yourself some first degree merch. We have lots of goodies yeah hired about one hundred dollars worth of merchants what we build you. If if you're lying we can look it up. Did you really cute sweet like thanks for supporting yourself. You know you're just GonNa get the money I know well. I was just looking at her instagram to Lindsey in Nina's <music> just posted the cutest picture of an her in the talk Maha. She looked so cute. She's got her doll Lindsey any N._A._S.. She so sweet you were so adorable we love you re post I am. I'm GonNa Riposte this right now. I'm yeah anybody that is getting their merchant takes picks. Send it to us and we will reposed and <hes> until next week. Keep your friends close and not bad closes A._p.. News is sponsored by A._D._T.. Real protection is professionally installed smart home security backed by twenty four seven monitoring our team will help you customize a system them for your home including video doorbells indoor and outdoor cameras smart locks and lights that could be controlled from the A._D._t.. 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ORLEANS, Louisiana I've been working in live theater production of the stage manager over the last eleven years happily engaged, and have been working here with locked on saints going into now my third season and I've been covering the team for about four years as hello. Everybody. I'm Tony Wiggins the host of locked on Jaguars. Air Force veteran proud of that father of five been married to Kim for thirteen years just month grew up in Jacksonville Florida and Washington DC. By Barber and have been so for the last twenty seven years. Everyone. This is Aaron Freeman. Host of locked on Falcons was born and raised in Virginia went to school in Pittsburgh now I live in North Carolina and I work in research. On Early Childhood Education was happening issue boy. Q., I'm originally from the bay area. In California, now live in central Texas. I'm also the host of the locked. All Raiders podcast been doing it now for about three seasons I've been doing radio music radio says one, thousand, nine, hundred nine, but in two thousand twelve transitioned into sports radio, and now hosts a radio show on ESPN. Texas called unnecessary rough this from twelve to three. Three daily, but has gone on everyone. Cody Davis host of locked on Texans I've been covering the Texans for around two years now, and I'm originally from ones, but living in Houston for over the last fourteen years they was. This is key Fong Fei on lockdown. Sixers I'm originally from Philly I went to college at Pittsburgh at Penn actually in Pittsburgh I lived down south for like ten years then I came back home, and I'm covering the sixers for the Philadelphia Inquirer and against the lock on six. There's unlimited dream. Go just living the dream, but when everybody is John From Sports. Guy Games than I am also the of locked on sex from Houston. Texans the. HOUSTON SPORTS DOT COM. I also taking the juvenile justice system here in Houston for Harris County scores I don't know where Welby and my name's Chris Carter I'm the host of the lockdown steelers podcast born and raised in. Pittsburgh got my law degree. Here got my Undergrad degree at chain university been a NFL analyst for the past five years on still working in the legal field, but I've been working with lockdown steelers podcast for over a year. Now I'm happy to be part of this panel. Over the next ninety minutes these seven men will share their stories of what it's like to live as a black man in America it will be passionate and brutally honest. It's the locked on podcast network black lives matter roundtable. All. Right, family very glad to be able to be here with everybody and to be able to talk with jaw. Get Rolling here. We'll open up our first topic. We've got a few that we'll go through, but we'll kick off. With a question about when was the first time that you clock and we're able to articulate racism in your experience. Jump in Whoever has an experience this year right off the bat. Tony Wiggins I'll tell you what. Maybe in retrospect I probably experienced it before I realized however I just know when I. was a child living in the inner city in and. What would be considered neighborhoods? I never felt that. The cops were there to protect me. Always thought they were there to get me. And and some of that may have been the people around me, and and their experiences that that came to me as a child, but I had white coaches that will come. Pick me up for practice so to me. it kind of erased so the first time I actually experienced when I realized that Oh. This is something different. I took a job. After I graduated high school I took a job. Right before I went in the military and I found myself. Working I was the only person in there that was that was not on work. Release These prisoners they were like on work release and I I was the only one that. We're working for two dollars an hour because they were, they were basically charging you for the food that you eight but I told him I don't Wanna eat. I want my four dollars and twenty five cents an hour. And when I told him that I had a better job for the last three months that I was going to be a civilian. This guy, they missed a miller. He looked right at me and say I thought you would different you just like the rest of them now mind you. I'm on my way to the United States. Air Force and he basically told me that I was like those how to kill us that we're in the back of the kitchen. That were glad to work for two dollars an hour, so it kind of broke Mahar. He's been here. Some sports guy a lot. I would say Tom that I actually. Noticed it and was able to recognize you with our. saw. Clouds and land on was actually. Twenty two years old I was in Beaumont Texas. We were having how kickback at the time and we got a little awesome to police. Officers came knock on the door and they did the normal When you Kinda, say down, keep calling games complaints with not I mean you know we have to come back and being the consequences are gonNA. Have they play? I was okay one third offer, so who? Stormed to my door while yelling I'm seeking US know all kinds in. The beginning. Try to belittle me. You know through five meet. Digging Hours on welfare. And he also at that point, begin to reach batch. Is. Yelling. And other policies was sitting near kind of. Still Commute assault that he didn't know. We already have to come station. You know. He was still yelling in claiming that he'd been in my house a lot of times and At that point, I was Families and so I went back and forth with them. Let them know that I. Thought. I'll take care of my brother. I'm also in school. You never came to my house. I gave him everything every fact that he wanted to know because. That was the first time. Ice Bins racism gleaned. That I wanted to react in the same manner. This is your boy cue from Loch Don Raiders. And it's crazy because you hear about a lot of racism when it comes to African Americans and the black male when you're in the inner city, but all a lot of the racism that I really experienced was being in a nice neighborhood, being in a neighborhood that my mom put me in so I had a better opportunity to. That's where I really discovered, and I really was prone to have racist acts though my. My Way and and it just blew my mind to the point where I was so uncomfortable, being in the Nice neighborhood I was yearning to go back to the hood yearning to get to the hood because I felt comfortable, being around own people because I, didn't know the folks that were around me. That didn't look like me what they were thinking about me and you know per perfect example is I could be leaving the basketball court with me and my three buddies. Buddies in the car and all we do is have our sweats on after playing a game of ball and trying to stay warm, and we pulled over, and all four of us. All four of us fit the description, and you know I'm a I'm a young man. I know that my driver's license straight I know I. Don't have anything in the car I know I haven't done anything illegal, so I'm telling him like. Wait a minute. Hold on. We just left the. The Basketball Court and you know this because you were just there while we were there and it still well, we need to run everyone's lie, so we need to run everyone's idea. We need to check what's going on and it was just one of those I. WanNa. Stop I want to search WANNA. See what's going on, and after twenty thirty minutes of back and forth bs all of a sudden. Okay, you can go you know, and that's just that's just part of. Part of the experience even being said neighborhoods that you would expect to be more welcoming and more open to having you there, but that's not the case to the point where one of my neighbors early on in my young childhood. I think I was in going into sixth grade I was walking home from school one day, and this lady comes out and says hey, hey, you. What are you doing in this in this? This neighborhood and I said well Ma'am I. I live right there. She said No. No, you guys don't live here and at the point I'm going to sixth grade. I really don't know who guys are so i. Said Yeah I do I live right there at at the top of the hill. A matter of fact I know where you live. You live right there. I know this person this person. That's my friend. Data I live right there at the top of the hill and you've been here about three months. What do I not know and she said well. You guys aren't supposed to be in this neighborhood and then hit me that she saw good about. You guys as just my skin color, and that's when it hit me where I told my mom like hey i. don't feel comfortable being here. You got me in a nice neighborhood, but I don't WanNa. Be here. I don't want to be here because these people don't want me here. That should be a feeling that no child ever feels, and that's when I really started to know what time it was, and then obviously as you get. Get older you start to learn the interactions with the police in how you are supposed to act and what you have to do. Which is a conversation that my dad had with me saying don't ever allow someone to make a on your life, and it just made me shake because I didn't think everyone in every family had that same conversation, but to know that me as a young black man was looked at as a threat. Knowing that I'm not a guy that's going to cause a problem. It always bothered me and always made me realize that I'm actually safer in a neighborhood where I might get shot by some cry, or you know dealt with by crime than I am in a neighborhood where you feel pretty free, and that everything is going to be good to go, because you don't know about the people that don't look like you what they're thinking about you. This is Chris Carter for locked on. steelers I I it. We're the first time I've had several points in my life where I talk about instances where I was like. Wow that happening, but the first thing I can remember was right around when I was seventy nine years old that really young age, and I was going to after school daycare programs has both my parents worked late, and one of my counselors kept calling me a monkey, and you at first I was like whatever my parents taught me to tout touted to ignore bullying and bad names, but it was at one point where some of the other kids like the council only calls you. And and like that's SORTA. Click for me and I was like wait a second. Okay, please dot calling me that and she refused, she said No. You look like a monkey so I'm GONNA. Call you a month, and you don't need to complain about it and so you know that was my first brush with, but run at same time I I was beginning was getting my first ever black homeroom schoolteacher in elementary school and Mr. Annan's he recognized. I always had very degrade. I was always and there was a scholar program in our in our elementary school, our public. School program that Sorta Elevated Ju on. The different programs that let you do a little bit of higher education and got you ready for things than in taught you skill that would really help you excel in your schooling, and it also leads to other programs that help push you to get ready for high school, which also helped push prevented college, and it was sort of a pipeline that really helps you work despite all my good. I never was invited to take a test for it was allowed to try to get into it, and my parents fought for years to try and get me, and even since I was in kindergarten first grade, and it wasn't as in the fourth grade when I first had my first ever black home teacher when he noticed he like. Why is your son not? Not In these programs and my parents, you tell us because we've been telling the school. The school district for years that this child deserves to be in there with all these other kids that get to go on these special trip and do special classes and it wasn't. It wasn't until around that time when I started talking about more things that I encountered in. In my in my day to day, and then also then tell me about why wasn't in this program because I didn't understand either all my all my classmates got to go if they did. They did really well, but I didn't. I didn't get why, and then over time him push in speaking up for me. Advocating for me, allowed me to take the test. Test against the program takes the test and then more my classmates. They started getting as well but these are the kinds of things it impacts is even long before we get to the point where dolts we're. We're dealing with even behind the scenes, and sometimes it just takes an adult speaking out for someone that's able to see what's happening. Yeah for me. Similar to what cues experience up in a white neighborhood, you sort of internalized certain things where it's just like you see certain things that's normal like you would see a confederate flag stickers on the back of someone's pickup truck, and you know okay like when I'm walking down the street, going to or from the bus, stop or playing with friends like I have to cross the street to avoid that person's yard, because if I'm walking to closer yard, or if I have step in their grass or something like that, then all of a sudden that can become a situation you know you see sort of confederate flags. All around town and growing up where I wasn't in Virginia and it's one of those things where it's like. You sort of just like. Oh, I don't go for that part of town You know I don't I. Don't frequent those businesses you know there's one town over. That's majority white that like you can go there during the day and that's fine. If you have work or something like that, but if you're caught in that town. If you're seeing in that town, you know after dark or whatever the case may be, you know it's going to be a problem for you in so those are things that you. You just sort of grow up internalizing. You only realize you know much much later in life. At least did that Oh. Those are just those that's part of racism. Just sort of grow up with that as something. That's just a fact of life. You know how they say you know children's sort of accept the world as as it's told to them, as it is, or whatever the case may be, and that's just one of those things that you know as a kid just like. Oh, that's just part of. You know the way the world existed in later on. You sort of understand sort of how. Different that is and how you know a lot of people you know around the country. Don't necessarily have to deal with those things you know as a young child. For me, this is my locked on sixers. The first time I experience was in the first grade. You know I went to. It was weird I lived in all black neighborhood of my mom always sent me to like like schools in the white neighborhoods and I remember you know. We were playing in the school yard and everybody had a nickname. They were all superman like one guy was superman. The other guy was Batman the hawk. Wolverine and my nickname was super in where. And you know I didn't understand it like I'm thinking like Whoa. I got a great nickname. This guy and this and that and and I remember coming home one day, and my aunt was in town and she was like. Hey, so you like it at school and I'm like yeah, and she likes. What do they call you? And I said they call me Superman where. And It was I wo-. You know the next day my mom, my aunt, my aunt stay. You know we were at the school. And then you start notice and it was like it was weird because. It was you would see the kids in school and they speak, but then when you were seeing what their parents they wouldn't speak. And that's when you knew it was like really different, and it was one of those things where it was wild where I grew up. Because again it was there was an avenue I grew up silly, and it was Frankfurt Avenue, and on one side it was like black, and Spanish and then on the other side it was white, and I remember whenever it would get like you know a certain time at night. People were like well. You GotTa get on on your right. Right side, you know so that was it you know right then and there you thought it was the normal. It was normal, but I have to say that in the first grade when they called me like super or n were that was the first time that I really experienced I. Think for me. The first time I experienced I was around seventeen years old and I was in I college mall, and Sugarland for those of you who are not familiar with Houston area sugarland is basically the the rich side of Houston necessarily mostly all the athletes live and stuff so I, was just I. Forgot what I was there for and you know it was just like the average seventeen year old black kid have my sweats. Bad Baseball hat on turn backwards and stuff, and I love watching so they had a store. That's so like nothing but rolexes, so I into the store, and soon as I walk in there the sales person came up to me like immediately I wasn't even halfway like all the way in the store. And you know like the cell person came up to me and it was like. Can I hope you? Sir and I was like no, no, no just looking because I I love watches, and I just wanted to see. What. You know what the Nice watches look like with. The rolexes look like. They had a security guard I. was like on the other side of the star and I say no. No, no, I'm just looking. Somebody's walking around and I am a little cousin. So I was just you know window shopping and just happened to look up from the corner of my eye and I saw the security guard had moved so at first I was a little naive, but I was like okay. That's that's a little bit strange. So I walked to the other display that the head. It was Nice Watch. I forgot what it was, and I notice every time I move the security guard like watching me and then finally I told my little cousin. Jordan, who's looking at the time? I say come on, let's let's go and we just left and. Ever since I had that experience, you know and you guys any you know your watch, sitcoms and stuff and you'll see like you know black person. Go Up to open the store and have you know somebody following them and stuff? At that moment, that was no longer funny to me because I live that situation and I was just like I'm not gonNA. Do Anything I'M NOT GONNA I mean first of all. You can't steal nothing out of there, but the fact that had other people shopping, but I had so many is on me my little cousin. It just made me feel some of way in after that. That I was just like whatever you know, it's understandable, man, my my story, the for the first time that I really was able to see it and articulated a similar to Keith's. Because it, you know it was founded in the N. word in particular, and it was. It was a word that I already knew what it meant, but the time that you know I was in first. First Grade, which is sort of like key story, but I grew up in a family that I had white family members, and those family members would use the word all the time, not a way of talking about camaraderie amongst themselves, but instead of talking about people that look like me in a in a negative way. Right in referring to us and so I would always hear. Hear about like this group of that group of these we don't go over there. And that's where the live and stuff like that. And so I I was in first grade, I had a substitute teacher that straight up called me that word in the classroom, and I remember I had just remember when something does happen to. You. Remember like certain detail and I had like. A bag of chips, but instead I had a bag of small It was like Cotton Candy Ball. And that's all I was doing I was feeding my cotton Candy Bowl, and then for whatever reason the teacher decided. This was the time to refer to raw Jackson as this word and I. IT stuck with it. It hit me immediately because I had already been exposed to it so much with the you know with the the the sort of incendiary usage of it and my past that that was sort of at the moment that I realized like. Doing anything like I, don't I. Don't have to transgress transgressing anyway. I just have to be present in order to make somebody uncomfortable. Well, man, that's. That's good stuff. Stuff from all of you guys Trying to push this a little bit too, and it may seem like we're jumping, but we're not because one of my pet peeves. I'm actually going to save it for air. It takes the floor because one of my pet peeves I actually covered in that, but since we're in the middle of of all of us, trying to find answers, and we have a lot of our our. Black brothers who are with us right now and and what I mean by that is. You know this is not just about black and white. This is about right and wrong for us so things that bothers me and this people that are really really had a lotta respect for. All over twitter now. They're actually posting the shooting in the murderer rates in Chicago this weekend. It's it's so what about Chicago aspects and I'll see Ross Ross is go because he actually does. Get on your nerves because they says if. They're a group of people that think that we don't give a damn about what happens in Chicago or win. A black person kills another black person. That couldn't be far enough from the truth. We you know me being a person that is sort of around the inner city, a little bit more than some people because of my job because there's some little stuff, I do at high school recruiting. It it hurts me pays me to Mahar. So first of all. I used to go through this whole spill about. Well. When one black guy shoots another black. They go to prison. And, then when the COP shoots the Black Guy, he doesn't go to I stopped. Doing that and one of the reasons is this. When your favorite team scores a touchdown. If. The quarterback is white and the receivers black. They don't. The vied the points. When we win Olympic gold medals, they don't say well. The gold medal for the dream. Team goes to the black delegation in and the gold medal for Michael. Phelps goes to the right to our accomplishments all one. So why are problems? Everybody's problem. Why why don't we folks look to black people as if? I'm in Jacksonville Florida. I've been in Chicago twice. Right loved food. I don't know a thing about what's going on in the hood and Chicago so somebody you expect me to be able to go up like I'm just Super Negro and saw Chicago's problems. Chicago's problems are all of our. Started black thing if our accomplishment to all hours, so our problems with a black kid is killed anywhere. White people in Ponte Vedra should be upset with a white kid gets killed somewhere. When nine eleven happened, we count the bodies and see what were we didn't. It kind of pisses me off. That someone asks me as if I have some intricate knowledge of what is going on in Chicago I can't. That's US problem? That's not my problem and I'll let you guys talk about it. Tony. This is Chris Carter here. I'm so glad you brought that up. Because that is my pet, peeves well when you know this comes up every time, black people or people that that that that that our allies to bring up police brutality, someone says what about black on black crime, and they throw up these crimes crime statistics, and we're angry about it, but like you were saying the you know. What why? Why is this become thing? Why is this black on black crime? Even statistic? Statistic when no one talks about bite on white crown, when when when when one of the school shooting tapping and a white trial goes and shoots. Who is that considered white on white crime? Do we talk about white? People can't complain about other things. No, it is, it is missing rated the distraction. Goo used by people to distract us from the actual point of the conversation, which is hey, we want these people who are supposed to protect and serve as by the law could not only. Only, stop killing us, but for the criminal justice system to properly punish them and give justice to the families who lose people and the other thing is that people say well the argument. Is that well black people? They never organized around that. They don't care about Charleena. Hey well. Yes, we do. I'm sitting here in Pittsburgh this very evening just last night. A another dog shot in Williamsburg which is one of the black neighborhoods that are just out of the city, and there's a group called. Called Med dad and into Intergroup called against destruction, defending against drugs and social disorder. They're a group of black men that are in our community, and this is an organization that's across the country, and they patrol our neighborhoods as black in and we go through. These are black men. They're not super. Subaru vigilantes. They're not superheroes, but their janitors. They're they're. They're preachers, their teachers their coach, and so when they see kids on the corner. They'll try to get physical with the hey, young men. I knew you I talked to you in third grade or I appreciate. I, saw you grow up on your block. I know you don't WanNa. Be Doing this right now. And their presence has helped so many other situation. There was in be back years ago. There was a there was a statistic where people were dying on buses, and I believe this was in Minneapolis. So and there was a problem because there was violence happening there, and all managers in that city did would they sat on the buses, and they just had their presence, and they were t shirt that said. Dad and the kids that were that were they were committing violent acts. They would stop because of that, and and there's many organizations like that. They're start the violence movements all across the country. There's rallies in black neighborhoods, but the problem is with the people that say what about black on black crime. They don't care about the people that are in the situation. They use the lives of those people as political line, and is seriously insulting and fury as a black person to hear not only do you not care about the people that are dying and the police? You only care about the people that died at the hands of. And other violence in in in low income communities only to use them against the people that are trying to ask for justice for these people over here is warm, a statement of wise to these people that use those arguments that black lives don't matter to them, so that is I agree one hundred percent with you. Tony that is, that is one of my pet peeve Dah I. WANNA jump in on this one to a little bit. Bit because it'll lead me into into kind of my big thing to you know we talk you know the white on white crime question in the black on black crime, points or narrative and everything like that it's an interesting thing that always continues to come up at the most opportune time for that are trying to push particular narrative, but we never talk about what that mentality actually is back matters if people commit crimes and. And the communities in which they live. So why don't we talk then about? Why don't we talk about Housing Loan discrimination? What are we talking about redlining? Why don't we talk about Gerrymander? All those things that push our communities out to these places to where they are food deserts, where they are desperate for material that are desperate, they so i. it's just the weirdest thing where it's like okay and even trying to the. The deflect the actual issue that we should be talking about with an actual with an issue that doesn't exist when you actually do is push a narrative that actually works against you. Because here's all these other conversations that we talked about based upon what you're trying to push you and when you do that and this is kinda rolls into sort of my pet peeve for my I not you know we talk about like micro aggression. All aggression right period it's all aggression anyway and for me. One of the things that I experienced a lot. Having these conversations is the individualization of the conversation, so if I'm talking to a live person about here's why these things are important to me, which is conversation? I'm perfectly happy to have any times where it's actually a conversation and discourse on really engage in arguments. I ain't got an interest. But Having those conversations, and then somebody looks at me and says well. I'm not like that then ain't the problem. You're not the problem and then I always tell people is that if the issue was individualized between you and me, it would have been handled already right like we talked. We would have done whatever we had to to to work it out, but we need to what we're talking about. Instead when people want to individualize, internalize these things. If there's on specifically talking to a person, oh white person, that's not the case we're really talking about is the back that. Over ninety percent of policy, makers are white, one hundred percent of the people that have the highest gross income in the country are white. Hundred Eighty over eighty percent of the NFL ownership is my over ninety percent of the NFL ownership is white over you know ninety percent of the Congress and the House and Senate that you are all white it and so when we talked about that, we talked about the fact that this is a system that has. Has Been Put in place in continuously perpetuated by the people that created it that is doing exactly what it was built to do, and that is what the issue at a much bigger issue than anything. It's individualized between me and a single person that I'm talking to you, so please stop internalizing I'm saying that's all your fault. However understand where your role is either remaining complacent it remaining complicit in it or perpetuating it in your own individual way. you judging me? Real quick and say first and foremost. I mean I. Think we. Cody are the youngest of the young. You all the way everybody year young, but I think we are like the youngest of everybody in the group, and just being blown away by the conversation. We're having right now with that being said. He is the policy in country dictating when it comes to north under your history of was comfort. ME, historian if I know something I know adult would having a conversation I will take out to be. My research noted got you. What's going on and. You have conversations with a lot of people that feel and. You know all is matter. Trump's black lives matter which you know to me that I never make fit because they're all it's you're trying to push out. There is literally leaving. How one of the all go into custody history? We are try and. American to do everything that was taught. Since we were able to re book. Everything that you guys gave us legally been trying for the longest to do would choose total of the right way. go to school or the cost a business Dr Family. Do this do that and you can live. The American dream is up in the problem that I had with that for very long time is. When we global these obstacles, because they are obstacles for us, no matter how you WanNa look at it, no matter if you in. Brooklyn outside. We will go through those. Because we will our skied. And so when we go with these obstacles and things happen and we are mistreated. Well, we say business what taught us to do? What can we do this? And you're not one through it as well and just looking at how I've interested in my life in a lot of my brother friends and I can see. You gotTA brothers jammed with my own. In the. Period whenever we tried to say that this is and you guys dating. Why can't we do it? It's all some piracy is always turns for decadence always. You should. You should have been quiet A. We've done everything. She put on to do that good. At some point whenever he's faces. Would everybody in Green. Sorry brings up the point that they WANNA make. They always begin that we've tried. Everything. And at this point, we can't try anymore to do what you want us to do. We no longer able to figure that you create for us. Now, we're ready to make our own box never way to make our all lanes and live like we have to live because a purely won't. You won't get into. Shot or we're GONNA MISS OUT ON A business on Utah this is the American dream where we're not really scholarships for we'll give you. Ready for? You. Ways and talk. Entire history, but we're going to get shot because while the second floor. and. See, when I talk to people a lot of times, they continue to push that if you just do this way, or if you didn't do this way. What about this? Having a conversation? Because it's clear to me that you don't know about the history of our people in this country and a lot of time I would test them on their history, and they don't even know. I guess my biggest issue. Is Ignorance. Right, I and you know the ignorance with black lives matter black lives matter. you know this week. I've been explained a lot to people. I mean to a point where. I mean I get emotional a little bit over this because you know when when I saw. The video. And brought back so many memories, and it brings back a lot I. don't know about jaw, but you know as a as a kid growing up. You look at your situation a. you're always told that if you work hard. If you do well in school, you can always uplift yourself. But in every level that you go to like I remember the first time. I rode on Pitt's campus. I'm from Philly. I went to school at Pitt and I remember walking across the street and seeing car doors locked right lock. You know people crossing the other side, so they don't see me and you know so. Everyone always says like low key. You know what you can get. Get yourself a nice job. You can do whatever you want and you're gonNA. Make it, but you're always reminded that you're not on somebody's level that there's a unlevel playing field and I mean I remember the first time I like heck. I live where where we live at right now. I'M GONNA share this with John. This is crazy, so one day I'm coming home from a gay. And see this police officer I'm like I. Know He GonNa, stop me here, we go, so is literally right around the corner from the House. I. Have My my media badge on me. He comes up and he says where you coming from. I'm coming from the game where you going I'm going on where you live. I live right around the corner. So the guy says Oh, so you covered the game. The game is when you phone right, and I say yes on the phone. You can look at it. Oh. Let me see I. Never heard of before and so you know you look in any light Oh. Here we go, so. Show them. You know I'm like trying not to get clubbed anything, so I show them I. Show him you know my own. And he looks he's my name and he read a little bit. And then he says. So you live right around the corner and say yeah okay. You could go. So I drive. Make the right. He makes the right. And then he's right behind me and then I pull in the driveway and he keeps going and so to me. That's when people need to know that black lives matter i. mean that's just an example. Because see people look at us and they'll say you know you guys have podcast. Guys do various things. Everything is cool. No, it's not and see the thing about it is is like not only as a man, but as a black man. You have to keep your face rent. You know you have to be strong and this and that, but then there's always those one time we're not saying you don't feel less of a man, but you have. Have to put up with more stuff than anyone else in. You know why you're going through it. You know what I mean now. If it was one of those things where you say to yourself like look, do you to stop disrespecting me and you act this way then you know what the outcome is going to be, and we can look at television. You saw in buffalo when they shoved that older gentleman. They said he tripped. You saw the other stuff where where like we know. My man was choking. The guy choked him out with his knee. They say any odd form. Another reason so is one of those things. These are things on video. But. We're talking about us and it's just a cop and nobody else around, so that's why I want people to know. Like look is different now. When you say all lives, matter, of course, our lives matter, but we telling y'all is. Lives matter to and some people don't WanNa hear it, but that's just how it is. Yeah no doubt about that when it went in, excuse me winning when it goes to to ignorance, I have to say that that's where my pet peeve lies as well and it Kinda double down on what you just said, and yeah I mean. Everyone's reacting right now to what's been seen on video, but I mean and I can laugh and call myself one of the dues in the in the group, but we've been seeing video says ninety. You know what I mean. We've been seeing the videos and on top of. Of that what about all the cases that ain't been on video that we've seen been apart of heard of and so when we share our story when I share my story and our start talking to someone who doesn't look like me and I say man. This is what's going on, and this is really bad, and it's been really bad here for a long time, and then they look at me and they say I. Don't know why you're complaining so much if it's so bad, why don't you move I just laugh? Laugh at US like okay so I'm just supposed to get up and move every time. Something is bad I mean if that was the case out of move around the country, my whole life you know at some point you gotta stay in fight right and that's what we're seeing right now in the country is we're seeing folks staying and fighting and saying you know what the Hell with this I'm not gonNA. Keep on moving and keep my mouth shut and turn the other cheek. Because a lot of times I'll practice that I'll say you know what it's okay. I know how that do I know how that Dude X.? All's I know it'll be all right. That's what I say all the time. As long as as long as I know then you'll be all right because I could find a way to maintain, but the problem is eighteen year old. Me Can't find a way to maintain seventeen year old me, or any of our children can't find ways to maintain because they don't know any better they're going to. To Go to wonder what the Hell's going on, and so that's where my concern comes in the most why I say hey man. This is something that we need to. We need to get a grip on it. We need to figure out how we can turn the corner on this. Because 43-year-old Q. is going to be fine, but his sixteen seventeen year old. You're going to be fine. Fine! That's what I'm worried about. You know what I mean, and so that's when we start talking and we have these sessions and these forums, and that's why this round table we're having. Tonight is so great because I. Think we're all in the same understanding that hey man this. This is something that's been going on. This needs to be heard without someone saying well if you got it so. So bad. Why don't you just quit? Or why don't you just leave? Or why don't you just go somewhere else? You guys are over exaggerating. Just shut up and listen because this is a real problem. It's really going on. You know for me. The biggest pet peeve is when you take a look at the news. It's the narrative around someone who is Caucasian versus the African American male. I mean by that is when you have a story of a white. Male, who goes up and kill seventeen eighteen people wherever the number might be, they commit a mass murderer. The narratives surrounding them once they captured him is oh, they had mental issues. Oh, they father wasn't Arou- or you know his mother didn't show 'em. Love and they're trying to make you feel sorry for the individual for example dealing room and Hill. Would you want to try to make someone sorry for this guy who just walked up in a church? It just kill people for no apparent reason, but when you take a take a look at the situation, my era Gordon or even George Florida's what this just happened with when it's them who get killed for no apparent reason is not a sad story where you know. They lost their life another. Oh, it's you know. They had X. amount of criminal backgrounds or you know they was high on something and I. I read an talking about George. Floor had the corona virus. That's part of the reason why he died I'm looking at. At that I'm looking at that topic like what Indie hail do that has to do with what we saw video, and that that that Bernita most because I'm like you telling me if I'm a white male, not only can I go and kill people for no apparent reason. I'M GONNA get arrested easily that they probably GonNa take me to Burger King of feed me I'm live off of American. American citizen taxes, and I can be able to live my life where people are taking care of me, versus if I'm a black man, and let's say if I'm selling cigarettes on the corner like in the case of Eric Garner I could lose my life. One thing that pisses me off the most and to down is what you guys I have not seen George for video because the one. Video. They really messed me up and we was in college and John Can tell you. It's the Arrow garnered situation and when I found out that you have a guy, enjoy floor. Who was saying I can't breathe the same damn worse. The Era Garner say back in two thousand fourteen one. The Hill did that not ring a bell to you and it is frustrating, man. That's the that's the biggest one of my biggest pet. Peeve is the fact that. You look on the national news and there's a different narrative. The why guy versus the black guy I can kill seventeen people and I'm GonNa be all right, but I just got mental issues, but you know if I would run a stops on all of a sudden I have like a whole record, and I deserve to die all right well. The next topic that I'd like to bring up is the importance of black people in media and right now, and I mentioned at the top of the show that I work for ESPN central Texas and you know I'm blessed to be in that position, but it's so crazy when you look across the landscape of sports. Sports, and you look across the landscape a journalism. How much more difficult it for someone who looks like me to get into that position? You're you're right. And and being a barber. And then me going to terrestrial radio, which I was on the flagship station, the desire washable five years, the midday and they had other African Americans working there, but they were doing specialty shows and stuff like that. you carry a tremendous burden especially when kneeling happens, because what happens is now. You gotTA speak for everybody you know you have to be the one voice and that pressure never really came from management. But the person comes from your upbringing. The pressure comes from you having to make sure that you're on point. You say the right things that you don't make mistakes. I would've loved to have had another just brother on there. Who just he didn't have any agreement. He could disagree with me, but at least it would have taken some of that burden off of me to have to go, and be the correct voice for Black people I remember one day I I was talking about one subject, and I got called both a racist and an article Tom. Based on the same. Then it's I say Amen so that kind of made me feel like arrive because I was so polarizing, said the same thing. Why do call me a racist black? They were calling me Tom. You know, but for me, I think it. It goes beyond the station. In the programming. You notice just like with this black lives. Matter thing one of the things that I noticed. People that four years ago, that would have never thought to have marched. Worn a shirt, the Jaguars or black shirts the coaches. And management more shirts with players that have never done that for years ago I. Think and I'm not saying that they're not genuine because I would not. You know cast aspersions on their black that because I do think it's genuine. But I also think they believe it's Ok now and what I mean is they realize it's not gonNA hurt their bottom line as much as they thought because now being quote, unquote woke. Is actually there's actually some green pasture there for people right, and it's not gonNA. Kill him as much as they thought well. Here's a here's a thought. Shotgun the owner Jaguars? He's starting to Black News Network. I don't know the name I don't even know if I said it correctly, but does that mean all you're gonNA see black people know you might see the young version. The Scott Van Pelt on there just like you don't see all black people on I take, but you know that's all Stephen A. Right. So what's going to happen is people were realized. Wait a minute from a program at perspective. We can have this. Breakfast Club type sports station. Where is hip hop and jazz centric? And then we can have some white people onto and white people. If they WANNA work there. They can work there, too, but we don't have to look at blacks as a niche or we got one, or we need this one guy to be voice. We can actually attack it as programming. And then. They can make money off of that, too. So I think it goes beyond the individual station big happens to be with the investors I think they have to also create a platform at somebody has to create a station. That's willing and it doesn't have to come a black. There's willing to say you know what we're GonNa Start this shot done, and we're going to be diverse, and we can make money for from it, and it's not a niche. It's just the thing that everybody watches it. I think it takes the color OUTTA WANNA tag. In one quick thing, we're real real quick just about the importance of us in here right the importance of this for me and creating opportunity for us and continue to advance is so that and all the other brothers and sisters that are doing it as well. That aren't on this call, but that we carry in our hearts. I want I want my children any other by children around the country to be able to look and see somebody that looks like them in this position as opposed to them, only being able to look and see themselves in a position of being filmed, being killed by a police officer are being killed by vigilanteism. Write as often as we see those those examples on repeat i. I want them to see us on repeat as well and so. That's why I think that you know what we talk about. In terms of working three times harder working five times harder working six times hundred not pigeonhole ourselves. you know, expand into as much as we can. All of it is incredibly important because we are incredibly important as a presence in this industry. We look at the. And the time that we're going through twenty sixteen things well the whole nine. This point in my life I wanted to say that it feels different for me since be could. There's been a lot of talk. Starting. This all the time. With the tall that has been starting to. We're seeing much more action behind it now whether it's from the writing Louis whether it's is from the concert, marching and protesting and really putting pressure on local officials. Mayor Governors. Police, chief out here using the march. At least he's here we wrap is trade. He true the there was going on with Joyce Lloyd. There have been Sola action behind it that feeling the previous years. That has lack on behalf of black people in this country, especially in the on social media a COP. Hang, it'd be okay. And right now you know whether some people wanna make a trend or fad with risk being a ozone losses. Take pictures just to leave the scene. And old often of my pet peeve. Early, but we're seeing everybody that's really with the cost and to call this to put a plan in simple. We just WANNA live well being in field. This is the first time in my life that I'm able to recognize an mentioning to with the La race ride kicked off in the whole thing of on history on to people there. I mean when you say ride, never work. And retrial come convert you know. They, they they're just. Also three point eight. Times Riley can't work however for me. Because the action is there and it seems like. There's no leading for perceivable future. We have to continue to keep their action goal. You can't be like fabric. Get off the gas start. You know attacking we in a super bowl seriously, but you have to Cathedral. And nothing most thing I'm hiding just. The action behind the words, and when the actually will continue to live in the same cycle over and over. John Really you, we were all feeling brotherly love, Enter Roundtable, and you had to take it there. Oh. How? We're so. We're so well with this. But I'm GonNa nor that comment John. I do want to be on record that it was not Ross from lock on Thanksgiving. But you know for for me when we talk about, why does it differently for me? At least on a personal level like it's not different in the sense of like my anger, the death of George Floyd or Ahmad Arberg Brianna. Taylor or any of the people that have sort of died at the hands of racist police. Recently there's not any different than my anger over Eric Garner Michael Brown or for Landau. Casteel or Alton Sterling or anybody over the last six seven years, or you know going back even further than that. You know. Probably, a a week doesn't go by where I think about you know. Emmett till or or something like that to happen. You know sixty years ago, so on a personal level doesn't feel different in that way, but I think certainly on a nationwide level it's certainly does feel different, and I think one of the reasons why may feel differently? This time is because of the COVID. Nineteen is because we have sports. being cancelled and people you know is not to sit here and diminish what we do, but often times what we do talking about sports is talking by the thing that's entertainment. That's talking about a thing. That's a distraction to the. The real issues that go on in day to day life, and instead of spending our this first week of June or late May, talking about the NBA finals or the NBA playoffs or the Stanley Cup over. You know you know. who was the top rookie NFL minicamp this past week or something like that now all that is sort of white clean, and now people can be focused on this topic. And I think that's a positive thing. So when we look at sort of sports and you know, I think we all sit here certainly at some point later this summer, You know we will get the opportunity to really start to talk about sports again, but I think this moment where we've hit the pause button on sports I think allow for a much more of a groundswell sort of situation that, even though you can look at the situation that led to the the murder of George Floyd. You know no differently than the the murder of Eric Garner You know years ago. As not that different but because. The world is a different place I feel like that's led to potentially some positive change moving forward. Yes it's definitely different. It's it's way different, and it's one of those things that really blew my mind when all this really kicked off, because I kept asking that question, you know. Why is this different like I? Said Man, I remember ninety two I remember. Rodney King I remember all the videos that we've seen in all the people that have gotten off and gotten away with things I mean we saw a guy who wasn't even really a security guard. Get Away with killing trayvon. Martin I mean we saw. And it always bothers me because as a father. I keep saying that I can't protect my son. When he goes out on the street, I can protect them and teach. Preach to them all I want about. Hey, you, emmy. We look like someone who cannot afford to make a wrong move or or or jump the wrong direction or or reach for something you have to be. On your a game, you have to be as careful as possible at everything you do but I. I can't I can't just stand over in hovering over them all the time, so to see all this reaction across the country. I mean if you're looking for a silver lining. I feel like it's positive that these conversations are being had and I feel like going back to another topic that we had earlier about the fact that you know people are speaking out. That normally wouldn't speak out, and that's encouraging now again. The the conversation has. Has to continue, and the actions continue to build so this can grow, but I I'm thinking because cove in nineteen has a lot to do with it. Sports not being there. People cooped up. People politically mad at the President I. Mean there's a lot of different reasons I think that are going into the fact why this is being being talked about and being noticed and such a big I don't say big deal because it's always a big deal, but it's such a big deal worldwide right now is just. It's kind of a little. Little bit of everything it's everything is really just put together. And and people are frustrated to the point and I never thought this in guys. You can correct me if I'm wrong. I never thought we'd get to a point where people would say see. That's why cap was kneeling. That's why was nearly people agree with that? You know what I mean like cap, talking and CAP. Neal was was almost a bad word. If you say it on the radio, because all of a sudden, everyone wants to come for your head like you said. Said earlier, you're either uncle. Tom Or your or you're a racist. If you had cavs back, you're you racist? If you were you know if you didn't. If say hey I wouldn't need your knuckle uncle. Tom I mean it's so unbelievable, but right now I feel like. At least the conversation is being had, and it's being heard where a lot of times is just talk talk, talk and people shut down in and don't listen I feel like now. People are listening in that. If you could find a positive, that would be it. Houses feel different. Those of you who are after a million with Texas. In the rule of southern pride. You're familiar with vital thanks. Virus takes. Whom Conan I doubt? Street from and I pass by the time you have to go to. The court down there had a peaceful. Protests in Rally for Jewish fluid when I came out every little water student everybody that I know from. Literally said nobody wants to use it to ask me. Have and people were on the record talking about life. People inviter talking about what's going on. For the first time I say will I think change is really the spark because that might take in the history behind. Pretty Dr when it comes to like people well. Another thing that I think that that makes us different. Is You know you guys are talking about the timing and one thing that that really struck me was when I heard Attorney Carl Douglas, and he's a long time expert in talking about lethal tower, the and an by. We'll get it, but he was on ESPN radio last week talking about how the country saw man narrate his own debt. And this also coming off of the heels of Brianna Taylor and a model Arberg and When you when you hear this man, he called out for his mother. He called he he he, he begged for his life as as he died, and like like cody was saying earlier is not the first time we heard that we heard that would Eric Garner is he said I can't breathe, is he was as he as he was being brought down to the ground, and being continually talk while he was not a threat. And we see again and for years, people have been saying black lives matter I think. The organization is over seven years old now. And we saw calling cabinet. You'll take take a knee for this. People say this for years and I think this moment where people were were anyone. It doesn't matter if you if you for your whole life there. Racism wasn't an issue it. You saw that and you saw someone I think that that touched more people because we. We've seen people die on camera before we've seen it happen several times. The and a lot of people not care, but we haven't seen a man cry out like that, and I think tha that reach a lot more people, but what? What what we need not forget about the situation. The it has the attention of the world, but this is much bigger than just black lives matter. That is the best the tip of the iceberg baseline. That is the congratulations you made it to the start. It started a race here. We're we. We have so many more issues. I'M GONNA. Get to this in our in our last topic of discussion, we have so many more issues that we need to. We need to address that. Involve the safety and a black lives moving forward. I'll get into that later. Yeah I. WanNa just add something real quick. I, do feel like this is. Our modern-day Woodstock I have kids in late twenties, boys strong boys. Boys that I've had to have conversations with that. Make me nervous because. Unlike me, they had a father that had a strong daddy and I wouldn't. If they were listening to this matter of fact, I'm not I might let them here, but I might tell them to skip this par-. They're actually stronger than me when I was that age, the bigger the tougher They're more fierce, and that concerns me when I see them on instagram out late at night. because I have insomnia often call them and say you're right. We at and my thing is. I'm not worried about the block runners. I'm not worried about the dues that they don't involve themselves in their business worried about the police and I shouldn't feel that way and I know that's relatable to a lot of people here so I think it does feel different. I would hope that unlike. Some periods when I was a kid in the seventies where everybody thought we made it and started party that. We don't let our foot off the gas. This can't be something that starts and just stops because the adversary and they adversaries not white people. The adversary is the people that Wanna see divided forever because they profit off of it. Adversary won't quit. They will not quit. We need to make sure that we instill. Hope the hope is that even though it took for years that people now see their cap. Nick was right. That's the hope for black because they look for hope when they see Barack Obama and people say he wasn't born here. He's from somewhere else and his wife has similar Ku body. They call her a monkey. And Jay, Z makes it from the projects to being a billionaire. And they tell him to shut up. And they tell Lebron James was a product of a single parent household who builds the school and becomes a half a billionaire and they tell them just to shut up dribble. So you see these cases one after one where we realize we can't out dress the situation we can't. Relate this situation. We can't do any of that stuff. On those when people tell me you know what I don't really see color, no I want you to see color. Stop telling me that because my thanks. That's another one of my pet fees I. Want you to see me as black because I see you as white, but it's okay because our history is our history, if we together right the ugly history that hurt me and my ancestors. That's our stuff. We gotta own that we never owned that collectively. If have family then. I always feel like an outcast. Don't tell me that you're looking past. My skin color is if my skin color is something that I shouldn't be proud of because quite frankly I come from these thought of Martin. Luther King maker Everson. Harriet Tubman I feel like a superhero, so don't tell me you're looking past that for me. My thing is we need to give hope. Hope is when you're standing in the inner city and you cutting hair, a little ray race, thirteen and a choice to go to the streets, or like the guy on TV that is constantly ostracized by people in power. We forget the call and cabinet was a four point Oh student in college. We're not doug. And by the way them calling those kids as March in here in Jacksonville is the march tomorrow. Those kids are black lives, matter or they call them terrorists and thugs. The college students when they called us these articulate brothers on here with all of these degrees and military service, and all of this stuff that call us thugs, and they call us race Baiters, the Vermoti Jones of the world. Let me tell you something. All of us know thugs they marching. Not only eight out marching. They don't have twitter instagram. And not only that is negotiating, which they're not gonNA come ask you for nothing and when I say, you ain't talk about white people I'm going on me, too. So my thing is when you throwing that around. It's gotTa be real careful. Go to Oakland go to South East DC. Come to Jacksonville. Go to Miami. Go to Fifth Water Houston. Go to holly, Grove and all of that stuff in new. Orleans, we got some people that don't even handle twitter page they were. They worried about marching. y'All. Call US dogs, and that's the problem, too many times, law enforcement and people over thirty and look at us because we're vocal group as a threat. And we might be a threat to them. Because other people don't care, so my thing is is stop categorizing people thugs because you take, hope away from little children that want to try to differentiate which way they want to go and live, sometimes you know. Don't think the most important thing with that is. You can't sit here and say I. If he was well or you like the rest of them, or you're not like the other one, and then when we call for the lead with defining police or retraining of. Care, they were all. Like that because. You See of us on whatever you see on social media, TV whatever. way we have crew that beore killing us. Getting off scot-free and go back to the media Alchemy your policy or Don't say that. And, then we speed back to wait a minute, Rollo, you're going too far. I think now between twenty when we've seen racing. Lynch's. We've seen crosses being burned on peoples yards. You've been had to fall for very long time. In your won't say without reform MS, reformer with everybody across the entire to get his. You know the question. Does this feel different? It's it's to me. It's kind of a tricky situation because I mean look at the world right now. Basically the world is still at a standstill due to the virus that woke. Everybody is up. I'm praying that. This is different in that we can finally. You know something can really come about as some kind of change, but my only thought is six from six months from now. What's going to happen? Because six months six months from now? We're GONNA have the NFL the NBA possibly baseball and a presidential election, a big presidential election, my my. I. Don't want this for people to just go on about their life and then next thing you know who we are your later, and there's somebody else named with the Hashtag and we basically gotta start from square one I. Just hope that the people that we are seeing that are finally speaking out the ones who now understand why can they took? They need people who now understand the full meaning of black lives matter I hope that they're when they say that they're that that they understanding that now they want. WANT TO MARCH WITH US THEY WANNA fight with us that they're doing it because they're sincere about it, and not because it's the right thing to say right now, versus when everything tried to go back to normal six months from now you know is just going to be a thing of a past, and then like I say next thing you know it's going to be twenty twenty one. There's GonNa be another black African American. Male or female name has tagging. We feel like we back at square one again. Cody When I I. I mean I feel like you a little bit right? Initially I was like you know. We're GONNA three months. They're going to pass people going to go back to work and people are going to forget about George Floyd. That's that was my initial response. Everyone's asking me about it at work. They don't care. But to be honest with you now. I think is going to change when you have people all over Europe. All over your marching. And you have people in New Zealand and marching and like somebody's places where people are marching that. They all look united on television, but they had. They have their issues, too. So I think that what stuff is happening with? Joy is open it up to everyone. And I'll be honest with you. Think about it in the past. Do you think honestly ten years ago? We will be on here doing pie cast. You know like this podcast isn't just for our people. It's for everyone. People are going to say here, and they're going to listen to this, and it used to always be our problem. like yeah. Another black guy died that we ain't got nothing to do with that. That's dumb. You know what I mean I think now initially. I used to get upset because I'm like man alive. My white neighbor, calling me now, saying Hey, man I'm sorry I had a high school guy apologized to me today over something that I don't even remember right, but it's to a point where I think people are starting to see it and they're starting to realize that stuff is bad and as much. Is the president. You know is trying to be devices. I. Think People look at it. They see how he's like running over protesters. They see how people getting knocked down but I honestly. When we got the world, you have the entire world out there. Protests and I think that it is, it is gonNA create an avenue or create a platform for change but I I didn't feel that way two weeks ago, but I feel that way now. So guys for this is Chris Carter MOC on steelers. Our last topic here is just to let people know out there. If you're confused well how to help right now, this is how you can help in the cause and the fighting's going on against racism and against white supremacy, because it's bigger than just police brutality. We've been talking about the issues that we've had. Had with the police. We saw what you're floyd, but the whole point of this is that this is the baseline this foundation this we want our lives simply just matter enough so that when you see die on camera that he matters someone, but that that'd be tip of the iceberg in this conversation, because there are numerous other areas and and we can go on. Three thousand shows all different areas where black people suffer at a rate that is higher than other people in this country, and and in some cases higher than any other group of people in this country, whether it comes from how the housing discrimination justification like how Ross was touching on earlier in the show, and we look employment rate, and how even when when president trump was saying during his administration that the black unemployment rate for the lowest they are in history. He neglected and say that that was also at that time still double. Unemployment was at that time, and even now we just we. We're seeing Kobe. Nineteen unemployment rate skyrocketed this month the month the month of May from the month of April with the first time we didn't see the national unemployment rate rise when you both at the majority of American, but the one group of people that are that that is still rose for was black American that's because there's still issues of racism of disparate impact of things where you look at employment, discrimination things that you can impact every day, and this message is to. Everyone listens thinking like man. I can't I don't know how. How to stop police brutality I, don't I don't know if I could. Just finally I can't eat. Batman, finds the next time. A COP is the bad, but when you can do is when you're sitting in your office, and you see in your in your company, and you know that there's a there's a black person that's been working your company for ten years, and you know black woman's been sitting there, and she's been dedicated to her job, and there's a promotion on the line and she gets passed over for a person who's been working there for two years. It doesn't do nearly ask what. You can speak up in those moments a perfect example of how how racism is impacting every so many facets of our lives in the very coverage of the protests right now here in Pittsburgh is a perfect example at the Pittsburgh Post Gazette was a legendary newspaper in our in our city. It is covered for the worst times and the best time in brought so much insight, but right now it is changed direction. It's going in the direction. That crown black voices Alexis Johnson a black woman who? Is a journalist in our city was doing a great job covering the protests, but on twitter she let out a a sarcastic tweet where she so. pict pictures of this Berg looking like it's damaged and destroyed and trash everywhere, and she said look at what the Louis did. Oh, wait, no, that's not looters. That was Kenny Chesney concert here in Pittsburgh because every year. When Kenny Chesney comes with your from Pittsburgh, it people trash the city and it's disgusting. You caught the hundreds of thousands of dollars to clean up. On top all that what happened was the pits were. Pulled her from being able to cover the protests. And then when the Union realize is when the Union of writers at the at the Pittsburgh Post realize that they all tweeted out the exact same thing in solidarity to sing. We stand with Alexis and if you WANNA, see this for yourself. Look Hashtag I stand for RCN with elected, and you'll see all the people trying to support her, but even still the Pittsburgh Post Gazette continues to push and try to silence her. They pulled another another a black photographer Michael. Off of covering the protests, and now they're even pulling off their articles that they've written and removing their violence and the article. They. Brought their black voices to cover this black revolution. That's going on right now in our country and what people what people are trying to here in Pittsburgh? They're trying to write to the post to say. I'm going unsubscribe if you do it. Think about how you can impact people in your area with Flint Michigan and how they how communities had has had dirty water in an usable water for so long. They still don't have clean water. It takes people speaking up and it takes white people speaking in every point in in American history. We've had slavery Jim Crow. Jim Crow which will. We're still going under. Suggest you re Michelle. Michelle Alexander the new Jim Crow. Great Book, IF YOU WANNA learn more about these issues, and if it comes to housing discrimination, the Civil Rights Act never at any point in time, there's black meet. People need to do something to change the racism against them. They had they had to make it known that this is happening to us, but the the as Ross. Alluding to early much earlier in this show is the power to make decisions to make the change stands in white people in in Selma win. The protests were happening you. It didn't get national attention until white protesters started dying, and that is when it's not just. Standing up for and say hey, why people we need help if we need help in these moments well speaking out on it, as as voices voices, and how is the US and then the country and start to anymore attention so I say this to say if you WANNA. Know how you can help out. You look around your daily life. You don't have to drive. You don't have to drive to to Minneapolis to help out. You can look around. Around Your Own Neighborhood Euro community and you can see hey. This black voice isn't being herded or this person being ignored or this community isn't getting the same kind of funding that community and you can fight for them right in there end when they bring up the Arledge, you let them speak, and you stand behind him and you say I'm here to support them. You don't have to call off message. You don't have to speak for them. them let them speak for themselves, but you make sure that they get their day in court and their day to argue for, and that's how you WanNa help will help us moving forward to say we WANNA, make a better America. If you really WANNA come together, those are all different things that you can do in your own life to double down on what on what Chris said and basically sum it up real easy for me, systematic oppression. Oppression man something that's been floating around twitter. It's been floating around social media. A lot of people put in Hashtag. We've talked about multiple times. A lot of people don't even know what it means simply systematic oppression when the laws of place create unequal treatment of specific social identity, group or groups, another example of social oppression is when a specific social group is denied access to education that may hinder their lives and later life tobacco Christian, said. Systematic oppression needs to be done away with. It just needs to be done away with an everybody has to do their part black white. It doesn't matter. Everybody has got to do their part to make the playing field even. A I'm sorry can can i. go go okay quit. I think you just have to stand up for your rights like like you guys said I don't know if you guys know what happened in the Pittsburgh Post Gazette and I was frustrated when I saw that I. Don't know if you guys know what happened last week in Philadelphia and choir where they had the headline of buildings matter to. Right, and you know that's my my day job working there and you know I saw that headline. And I still shake my head at. It gets frustrated well. We all took we all like basically walked out the people of Color. And we didn't go to work next thing you know the executive editor amount. It wasn't really his fault. But he had to go. You know he basically had to go, and and the thing is with is what I mean by fight. Is We have two people have to realize that you can make a difference? Before there was always the time, and we always thought like, and it's just going to be mean. Maybe I can't make a difference. Some people can conform to things. But you have to fight. You have to fight. I mean because it's not just for you is for the people. Point your community who can't fight? You know what I mean like. We look added a lot of times. We have people like you, said the thug out there marching, but see I. Look at you as your person who can speak for them. Right they do I mean. Everybody knows that there was somebody in the neighborhood that everybody was scared of, but it was something that he saw in you, and he always made sure that you. Are you know what I mean? So what you have to do is when you see people like when when you see stuff like that. You know what I thought about and what a coworker thought about we thought about. About the reason why we're all in this position that we are now because we're speaking for the people in our community, we are representing our community. We take pride when we go back to our community. Are someone say earlier like hey? Stuff happened to them elsewhere, but they wanted to go back home. They wanted to be around people. So what we do is, we have to fight for people everyone does. Does because that's the only way now I know in the last segment. I gave some by with the hope. I do believe that is going to get better, but it's not going to change overnight. That's why we have to fight. We also have to push for police reform all that because we have to get the bad cop out right now. We have to push so hard because right now people were like. Like looking and they see this stuff is wrong so right now and they're gonNA. Say Okay, let's do this, so we have to get these pop. Bad cops out. No, why? Because arches so our grandkids could go somewhere and they don't have to experience the stuff that our parents experienced the stuff that we're experiencing and kids who are in their early twenties are experiencing, so we have to continue to fight. At agree with that, and that's very eloquently saying my brother I think we have to watch where we spend our money. when people don't respect you, but respect your breath, then take your breath away from them, and that's what will happen back in the civil rights movement where Rosa Parks Transit Transportation. System. It wasn't just about sitting on a bus just to sit on. The bus is also what happened with Apartheid and a lot of people in Atlanta with the airlines and Pepsi and a lot of other companies. You have to know where you spend your money and you have to not spend your money I I'm GonNa talk it from now on I. Try to step on nobodies toes, but the target the the. The owner targets that. Hey, man! Do you think you know what I'm saying so? I'm going to start spending money David. My edit that out of there, but my thing is is. Anyone that understands the plight. Of People that are disenfranchised I'm in full support of because. It's not just about black and white I was in the military right, so my father who I met when I was thirty eight years old was in the military. His Dad was in the military, and he told me stories about his dad when he came home from World War Two how he had to hide in the woods from white people that wanted to kill him because he was trying to get voting rights for people in Alabama. I try to warn people. All the time is don't pay so much attention to laws. Pay attention to how those laws are enforced because the bill of rights, says we. Believe that all people are taught. We have truth at all. People are self evident, and all people are created equal whatever, but then on the other hand. You're not allowing people to vote, so those laws aren't worth the paper that they're written on what we have to do is we have to ensure that we governor? Whites and blacks. I make sure that everything is written and paper is actually being enforced for us because if it's not being enforced for black people. If. You're a white person and you're in a certain class. Oh, you're next. Because once they get through with all the blacks and they'll come to the poor wife, and they'll treat you the same way the things what you have to do is we have to all be together. Man and I'm encouraged by the fact that there's so many. Non Blacks marching. Always say the five best words that away. I could say when they're trying to help black person is. Now. Wait one damn minute. You know what I'm saying because. See Enough and I think with George Floyd what they said. Now, wait what? No, no, no, no! This is not going to happen. That's not who we are. I saw an old man assault. Get pushed on about a police officer. Oh man with a cane. And absolutely broke my heart, but the fact that that old gentleman probably was seventy, some odd years old, he'd probably looked at this and said. This isn't what this is who we are. This is who we are, and we have to realize that there are people out there. That are African American or black. That do realize that our message. We have to make sure we have inclusion. and Oh people to the fact that they didn't understand previously what they now understand gotta bring them all in man, and that's the only way we won't be able to fix it. Yeah I just wanted to sort of jump in and say you know it boils down to accountability in Chris. Nailed it, you know these issues go beyond pro police brutality, but as one of those things that when you look at this sort of specific issue with sort of how police behave, and not just when it comes to black people when it comes to people of all kinds, and I think one of the good positive outcomes that you've seen particularly on social media, and and one of the things that I've been trying to use my platform with re tweets and whatnot is showing you know this widespread sort of police brutality, not only directed at black people directed at the protesters you. You hear people you know uncovering stories of cops getting away with certain things, and it just boils down to accountability that you know you can't. Necessarily he'll the hatred in people's hearts, but it is one of those things where at least when it comes to these police in their actions, I think a lot of it is that they know that they can operate with without impunity and like they're not going to be punished for it. You know I saw a story about a girl from New York a couple years ago, that was pulled over, and she was raped by cops and you know when she told the authorities about it. Basically, there's I think the story said that thirty five states. Around, the country were, police can't get prosecuted for having sex with someone while they're on duty, and they can just simply say well. It was consensual even when it was not the case. It's these sorts of things these sorts of. Behaviors that police able to get away with and they know that they. Can. You know you know Derek Shelby can step on George Boys. Neck and he knows he's not going to get punished for, and and this is one of the things I think people need to really work on, and it's really about that accountability in sort of you know one of the things I'm hopeful about what this movement is I feel like we're really starting to. You know showcase. The cops need to be held accountable for their actions and need to be punished. When they commit murder, they should go to jail for murder. Not Sort of get you know off in the way that the the George. Zimmerman's the world have been able to get off and just say well. It's it's A. he said she said sort of situation. I'm a COP and so therefore. My story is going to be believed and you know we've talked. Talked about it already, but you know that's one of the the benefits. Everybody having camera phone where the video doesn't necessarily lie when those words can lie, so I think that's a big part of it and I think that's something that people need to continue to strive for which holding not only the police, but you know the city government or state governments, their national governments accountable in find ways whether it's voting whether it's You know as Tony said. Said boycotting, certain things find ways to hold these companies and these entities in these institutions accountable for their misdeeds. When you talk about the police, and this'll be real. Quick when you talk about the police that is a industry where ninety eight percent isn't good enough. Ninety five percent isn't good enough. Even though we look at ninety five percent, we'll look at a pass completion rate and say that's great. I mean that's a. that's a great day at the. The office. When you're a police officer, you can't be ninety eight percent good. You need the police force to be one hundred percent good so going back to the state of you gotta get the bad cops out of there. You gotta find a way to rest them through the system and get them out of there, so our kids and our grandkids have an opportunity and a chance. They are in a business where they have to be one hundred said. Yeah absolutely for me. Three things one. We as black folks funding our own. millionaires and billionaires by supporting black owned businesses I. Think is something. That's incredibly important. this of that Tony. Talked about in terms of knowing where we put where where the money goes You know just just the point out that when people talk about defunding police, it doesn't mean taking all of the money away from the police. It means redirecting a large amount of those funds so that instead of punishing crimes. We are proactively engaging in ways to prevent crime. So finding ways to do that so where we're. We're taking you know. Los Angeles has a three billion dollar police operations. That they just took one hundred to one hundred and fifty million dollars from less around three or so percent, but a humongous budget towards policing communities instead of putting that money toward after school programs put that money toward providing homeless people with shelter and with homes, and with abilities rehabilitation, instead of putting that towards mental health, and and advocating in favor of people getting the help that they need so those things could be sort of. Addressed in a preventative measure as opposed to funding the reactionary measure that is the police and adjusting how it is, and what types of things they sort of what they react to what they come for. If it's a mental health crisis I, don't need share showing up to my to my to my place I need somebody that's trained to deal with that, and then the last and third thing is just account. We talk a lot about accountability, but understanding and this is something that doesn't exist in our house right now that those police officers who wield weapons who wield power and have not only prescribed power, but also onto logical power that they're born with. With that they should be held to a higher standard than that of civilians right. There's a reason why the military has rules of engagement. There's a reason why the military has things like the the the uniform code of military justice right to where there is a standard and a separate lift of accountability you know if the NFL can hold its own players accountable and its own way separate from the law. Why can't our criminal justice system do the same when it comes to? The police cannot police system do that same thing. Those are three things that stick out to me that would call cash long-term change and would save a lot of lives. Thanks for listening to the lockdown podcast network, but why stop now? 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You have a south by southwest panel coming up. Melanie faces and non melania places s catch. Yeah yeah and I kind of came up on the fly. So yeah actually. It was a supporter of wrestling with stereotypes. Gregory Gibson who works with the HP battle the brains which is a big thing have south by Reached out to me and asked me about my career and everything I've done. He asked me if I'd be interested in. You know speaking at this. That's buy. Yes I mean sure Eight because as much as I talked about diversity us would you wanNA do some on diversity in us a short. And he's like what do you want to call it and I was like million faces vices. And he's like I like it just came up with Shit but the base is is exactly what it sounds like you know started my career covering hip hop. We're GONNA hit up the eggs and hit upside bt. And then. I started to make the transition. The boxing film going to comic con going to Sundance E. Three covered all these things. See Yes obviously and I started to realize like now especially me being a zone like I am. I not on the only black like at like in this in this particular position One of our producers Shonda. She's black but for the most part are them any black folks. Sergio Mora does commentary and we like we joke about up songs and stuff like that and a lot of people. Just don't get the fuck we're talking about and I started to realize that you know a lot of us get into these positions and we have to open the door for everybody else. Come through them and I think we talked about a little bit last week. So this panel is with myself cast friend. The so Wally Mania Rasa were out. He's done all his W. O. Demisch Your Lor. I probably should just say her name. You guys should know who she is. And if you don't I guess you don't check instagram. Or whatever and Lauren Brown who is a graphic designer? Ea Electronic Arts and yes. It's really talking about the work that we've had to do to get these positions in how we're looking to pay it forward for the future and I think at the end of the panel. I know what the other panel. I'm an offer internships because Hugh Program Battle of the brains and I need more. Black people at the zone is sports news By the time you guys hear this you will have found out that. The zone has gone global It's no longer just. Us We're branch off into a bunch of markets all across the globe. I'm GonNa need well not me personally. But they're gonNA be looking to bring more interiors and expand a lot. So you know I'm trying to provide opportunities and that's always been my thing and I don't know if anybody semi twitter feed the other day Angela. Nisa who works on Mixie's who's a good friend of mine. She's one of the producers writers from mixed this somebody was reached out to her about getting a job and she knows about panel and she was like. I'm not hiring Andrea says and we have this ongoing joke because when you don't when people reach out to you and you you don't really have anything for him because you're not the decision maker because like even at the zone. I'm not the decision maker Joe Markowski or any of those guys. They think you have a problem with them. They call you haters. Like put me on it right and it doesn't really work like that. Well my thing is whatever I can do to help you get into a position where you can succeed of mentor. Lot of people. You know whatever I can do to help I will. But that doesn't mean that I'm obligated to help you just because you say can right. You've got to have a little bit of talent as well. So this panel is going to be all about that. I can't wait to do it. Hasn't been the southbound while but this is completely different than me being stopped by like music shoot is really about putting minorities into different spots. So she'll be fine. If you're in Austin Texas March thirteenth. Two to four PM believes the time something like that where two thirty three thirty because we got wrestling serious those times. Everything's messed up but yeah check much facebook. Whatever and I'll see you there and I don't know if it's going to be streamed but it'll be a good time so that yeah man. I'm excited for you. I'm excited. It's really cool getting to talk to young professionals and letting them know like no. We need more people in be spaces showing them like no. We have people from gaming to television to journalism. All here and we worked a lot for it and we want you guys to work just as hard. 'cause we need more of us in these spaces so that's really know visually anytime you can get out there and speak and do everything there. You mentioned a mentoring programs which is really cool. I see you know I've not been to any BJ yet. But I see a lot of people who are in it and go to these things. Have Mentors I think Mark Vanderberg friend of bug US At Yahoo Sports Mentors People. He had mentors. You Mentor people. I never had a mentor. And as we because I know a lot of other journalists and stuff especially by journalists have always had mentors. I just didn't know where to get one like. How do you go about that? Like oh I like writing. Want to mentor me like. Aren't you a note with a stamp and so these things that people may not know how to do? My mentors was our group chat with me. Just firing off wild ASS. Hot takes that the world will never here because we spent days of you guys telling me. I'm calling in the group jet so they don't reach twitter. That's my mentor ship group. You can mentor chip group because the world would have got the most waigel of takes especially early on. I was on a roll. The humid hot take machine full effect five years ago. I've calmed in my old eight but I think you know you mentioned the groups have row. Nba So you can call them a mentor. You you've got to put you in these. These opportunities succeed. So it's like for me. You know mental has always been really weird word because it kind of it sounds weird for a lot of people and. I've never considered necessarily considering. Must've mentor like other. People have said that mention them and have really done is. I've taken the time out to talk to him in for some people. It's really that simple man like to give somebody a vote of confidence or to listen to ideas or to be able to point them in the right direction. I've been fortunate enough to work in so many different spaces In media that it may not be with me over at zone. I may know somebody like I've had right after I left. I've had writers add very recommended people for a lot of different jobs. And it's great to see a lot of the people that used to work under me hip hop DX. While was chief and now they're doing amazing things in different places and that's kind of what mentoring is and it's like it doesn't always have to be like this wide age. Gap is a lot of people. Say Oh you've been to high school. Kids know everybody needs some help in for me. I had a little bit of help and it wasn't necessarily a bunch of black. You got hip hop site. It was Piso. Who was white. Dude Matt Conway. Who's a publicist for guys like five nine and DJ premier used to be an editor there and they put me on what I did if it wasn't for them? I maybe wouldn't be where I'm at today because I asked a lot of dumb questions and it's kind of similar to wear a Michael Jordan talking about Kobe. Bryant in you know really moving speech at the graves of Michael's career we talked about. The little brother annoys. You asked all these questions and he just needs a sounding board and I think that's what's key here and sometimes you just need a sounding board. Who in the group chat? That's your sounding board. Will you fire these holidays that we hold on? Don't you say this is why we really back in your? Everybody NEEDS SOMEBODY TO HELP. Filter them and the point in the right direction. Because it's hard man. It's hard being minority working in these industry. They're not allowed to people who look like you. Who Don't befriend. Who like to have things in common with man? I mean even me just being in Texas. We had a bunch of conversations with people and about how certain people are just really positions. Not because they were like great writers or great. Anything just know the right people so I want to be one of those people that you know me and you can get in. You don't have to be as good as that guy. I want you to be better than him but I know a lot of mediocre people that are like very rich spots. That don't deserve to be there so I'd rather put my mediocre people and make them better than they're mediocre people and make people become great people that take those spots because I just no way too. Many people don't deserve the jobs and I know how they got to be fair. I say this I've gotten my jobs a lot of strength of knowing you and knowing people who know you or people you've introduced me to so thank you that worth already. I have just a tiny shred of humility not much but I know I naturally talented at things now. Am I the technician that you are or other writers are or you know of a Marcus Vanderberg as far as editing? Just can I do that as well as you guys do that? No I haven't put in the time to do that. And you guys are very good at that and there's writers who are very good at writing and producing clean copies and making your life as an editor very easy. No no more of an idea guy. So yeah if you had any good luck am I going to be the worst of them? But I'm not going to be the best of them but I will tell you this we're going to have something of an idea where no other platform is going to think this way. So you'll get very unique content year you're going to have to stop me from rambling year. You're going to have to clean it up a lot of your stuff. When you're editing mean with structure like how this is all right but this whole paragraph should be up here at you gotta to ship this whole shit down and make it make sense like you can't bury this whole part this. What the Hell we're here for so I was like okay. Cool I get that. So that makes me better as a writer. Obviously the long run. But you have these things but I had these opportunities because I knew you because of champion for like four or five months that made me exponentially better and then that led to my job with Rhonda Rousey and me going to free wrestling for a year until he. You'll drag an extra ticket come down. We're watching a royal rumble in floor seats like so these little lake positions you me put me in. Did exactly that Greenwich Work. Harder than ninety five percent of the people out there that usually keeps me a float like whatever you don't like my technical aspects Kuwano worse writers but whatever but I'm outworking everyone so if I give you insane amounts of content. You're just going to have to eat that so that that keeps me afloat. Wherever I go my job now I work at work everyone. So that's cool. They have no problem with me. But it gets me to these positions where people like you know how the Hell do you get? Espn over everyone. Else I don't know I've had a million different jobs and I've wrote for a bunch of different places a lot. Thanks to you so when they came across my resume their kids connor interesting. Then they talk to me and after that also wrap so. I say all of that to say this you and the biggest thing of this whole program in this panel and as someone just watching it and hearing about it from you is the biggest thing you're giving and people like you and I don't even notice it. I don't know if you noticed this but you give young writers Young People General. People like me. The opportunity for error minorities don't have a margin of error. We have to come in polished. We have to have a four year degree we have to have. We can't make mistakes on the job. Some other people can make whether you're a woman when they are Spanish if you're black if you're brown wherever you're from European coming over there is little bit of language barrier. Brazil you see that combat sport you don't have the margin of error that traditionally what they're looking for fits and I remember I tell the story all the time pocket almost got banned from the UFC. 'cause I thought it was a different black and then the state you see when I started Hit abroad was like you know. He wore his hat. I didn't have a haircut that Dan I wore hat but I dressed up outside of that. Were high it was unprofessional. Granted may or may not be but I saw people in shorts and t shirts. They were bigger guys. But you covering the four ans in shirts and t shirts and Promo hats from my budweiser on meteoroid. But no they told me they had no margin of error but you providing these opportunities internships Writing Opportunities people grow that gave me a margin of error. Other editors might give me that margin era at champions margin area era. I got better it turn into other opportunities. I worked hard during it but I could. I could fail. I could try fail. I could get better and I think that's what a lot of people don't understand like sometimes as minority. You feel that pressure because you know I can't make one mistake because my one mistake could ruin my one chance in. It's a rat and that's what has to be changed and I mean the one of the things we can dive headfirst. Is That Oh appreciative? First of all because it really does me love for me but the other thing is that this is a space where we do talk about the margin for error but my thing has always been. You can't teach voice and personality but you can teach technical writing and editing can clean up technical writing you can teach the sport you can't teach creative people great people discreet. You can refine their ideas. But I've always been a guy like when I worked at DX. Which is crazy and I'll be very upfront about this. There shittier writers in Combat Sports in the our music music industry there are some damn derives music. They are some shitty writers in combat sports. Anyway when I worked at him up and people come across and want to write for you. I will have them so many writing sample. I never asked them what causing went to. Didn't give a shit. I wanted to see the ideas that they put on paper and sample writing piece and if it was written like if it's written terribly that's one thing if like completely terrible like this can't work but if you're good and I can see the ideas that you you you have an alternative way of thinking and it's how you look at it. You essential ideas in a different way from a different perspective. That people may not be aware of May not have thought about before I can fix everything else. And that's what I've always wanted to work because black folks minorities in general a lot of haven't had the opportunity to go with some of these great colleges and universities. I I went to Morehouse. Listen guys I was a college dropout not do any follow my own. That's a whole nother story and I'm not getting into that right now but I didn't finish college but I knew music. I knew combat sports. 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Wire all one word for your fifty percent. Sign up bonus. That's bet online. Your online sportsbook experts. Now let's get back to the show. Everybody We are back trying to get situated here. It was a little crazy et CETERA. Events here alarms went off. I'm sure as you guys could hear a little bit before we cut out and then had to evacuate the crib. Four second it turns out that Laundry device washing machine or dryer in the lodge room downstairs on the first floor caught fire birth of the wholesaler wall fire department came. They put it out on that crit. I evacuated would appear flipflops my basketball shorts from one of the High Schools. I coach Vegas and a beanie in ESPN beanie. That's it put a t shirt on I grabbed my laptop though. Never leave without the laptop so that was that was a little bit. Wild Man grabbed my wife my laptop my wallet and that was out. That's how real men evacuate right there. These special we. We are back in the building. At least she knows she's loved that's the key she knows like. Oh if I grabbed my wallet you used to be. I grab my xbox slash playstation I lap top my wallet and that's all. I need them life when I got kicked out by my ex wife out of the crib for having a girlfriend on the side when she found out. That's all I requested. Let let me take all of this and then came back next stuff pack outside but those important things that day. I knew what was important to me that has now changed my new wife. Thankfully out 'til later listens part of this. I did not carry her out but I would have if need be in a situation of peril so we're back though. It is wild. I just say we get right into. It may just bananas so let's get into USC. Because I feel like it was pushing that way. Anyway we have a lot of you have see to recap and I've listened a few things out for us to talk about over the past three weeks first thing Diego Sanchez coach cult leader. Who is this dude? Who as he he reminds me of? I don't know I was trying to. I can't think of his name right now. He's he's too he's kind of like. Have you ever seen road trip road trip like the Nerdy Dude? Who at the end ends up leading? Colt? He's like that do man. I can't call it the whole the whole Diego Sanchez Situation. As a whole is this like lives a fire. Another Day regretfully like God was technically won a one off summit Q. That's like the worst way to win. It'd be like yes the MMA guys want me to continue my career. No we don't and we're not the guys but we don't want to see you again you impeach hanging up please. They should fight each other. No loser goes home match. Listen many lives the fight another day. He survived in a while match. So we're going to get a lot more Diego Sanchez. I feel like going forward Another match I WANNA talk about. Which was the main event of UFC fight night 167 It is Corey Anderson versus John. Blaha vish Corey Anderson no longer beast in twenty five eight but has some other weird nickname proves my point one when you appoint yourself your own nickname. You're doomed any way too. When you change nickname no matter how dumb it was prior. You are doomed to lose. He was no longer beast. In for more than twenty four hours got caught slippin. Yom blockage knocked his Bach off in the first round cohesion was talking shit to license. John Jones. He thought he was ready for the bump up. And now it's rap. The momentum has ceased. What did you think of that fight remembering back to it. I mean yes kind of what you say where you were talking to all that trash you got knocked up young blackledge like listen. I said it before. Valentines ching-kuo has the biggest gap in her. Between the champion and the challengers John Does the second because lease remotely competitive. So tangles demolishing. Everybody but somehow like Corey Anderson says. He's you know the next guy in line. No you're not use. Epic Sleep in nicknames. Always been terrible. He's always struck me as we are due to have that kind of a nickname because man my little brother brother-in-law when he's play wrestling video games. Always like we play like here comes the pain. Any name created wrestlers like the wax. Names like blaster Blazer tasers it's only like the cast of American gladiators right. I think of Corey Anderson like. That's the bishops. You come up with beast. You got beasted congratulate that was just a horrible dictate. It was Karma was coming to get him for that one young pro wrestling. They would have given the deserve chant. We gotta get crowds like pro wrestling crowds. Just you just start. You deserve you. Something really did those companies going for. Y'All black bitch cores does the thing everyone. Does it light heavyweight now? It's called out John Jones. I guess man whatever like you have eight losses like John Jones. Yeah do whatever you can moving on to fight one sixty eight. The week after which. I don't remember where this was New Zealand Auckland New Zealand. We had Paul felder versus Dan. Hooker in what was a very sad match bike. I I've grown to like Paul felder as an analyst right so that and you've on you want a really good streak. One six of his last seven seven last eight but it just showed. Din Hooker to me is better. Paul fielder survived took an ass whooping. And if I was really close do you. Yeah that was a fifty fifty five and that now no three to a four one fell just talking about hanging up like everybody knows. I've been a fan of the American dragon and I think he's excellent. I think he's great. I like him as a person to like I. I don't know how much higher he can go. He can beat up on the middle of the cart like middle of the division. All you want but this was just like I thought Dan Hooker beat him in every aspect. He had to beat them. I had a four one. We didn't want the same fight. I thought Yeah Paul. Do I think it was three to? I think it was split decision. Wasn't it it was close on on what you were watching it anyway. Forty nine percent strike. Total strikes landed to fifty six. Okay sure no take down landed. I Dunno I thought he lost Handley. Maybe too strong right as we might be too strong but I thought he lost in and now Dan Hooker type of guys are feeling as what it might be too strong. Let me dial it back but I thought he lost four two more like I feel like if Dallas to hang around like Paul feels the same type of guy who gives. Everybody always comes as if I think I think also yes. He's like a great analyst. And just you know. The sad part was watching him. Talk about hanging them up. Because he's given so much to the sport like fight brings it every time he fights. I don't WanNa see them. Go like this fight. Was it was entertaining. These guys gave to each other. We'd give each of the business in almost impossible to retire. But you know this is call. And he's got a future and broadcasts because he's really really good. He's really likable. So every job it every judge had it to to going into the fifth and one judge gave it to fell during the fifth. I don't see that at all. I mean because I guess it was one of those things that you use as hooker gotta take now you can do with it so that I finally got the round so it was a but hooker came out gangbusters. Hooker took the first two. I thought he took the third they. Everyone has felt they're taking the third fourth. The fourth I gave I gave to filled it. He dug deep. And then I guess the therms my swing bout. I got to watch the game. Maybe when the third that'd take all this last night I don't believe he'll do retire. I think it was the day so at all. I think he's a hell of a fighter I think in that division. He still is a proud. He's a handful for just everybody in that division. He's fun to watch. So this is if you can't if you can't get to the title when is enough enough because I really like him as as broadcaster so if he's not going to be champion. How long do you fight? You know. I don't know I I want to see him? Fight more fuck. I don't know if you hit that. Robbie lawler stride. You could be right back to the pitch you never know you never know his true so we will move onto the next event which was last weekend but before we do that Carolina Kovic. I'm not sure how she just keeps losing and she got wrecked this one home. She was always to me one of the top you know upper echelon female fighters in any division and then she gets wrecked last week. And maybe I should pay more attention to. I can't pronounce her last name. You GotTa help me. Yon Regardless she wrecked cut. Sign it and she like mess. She broke her orbital the amount the pronunciation police and the Chinese are hard for me but a twelve one record and one no contest speaks for itself. But then you look straight just gets even deeper at the top and two years ago. Was the second best woman of Straw. Wait almost shoes always an excellent striker. But you know sometimes the game just passes you by and this is one of those situations where it just seems like everybody's kind of figured her out and getting your orbital broke a career considering now so you'll know where she goes from here But seeing that it was like damn like I remember you. You know like you said he was one of the ones that we thought was going to make the Alana move up here we are. It's not good. Forget Punch in a facebook. Move UP WAIT. We knew contenders. I Want twenty-five in these top cutting weight. Then we have last weekend two things I want to touch on from that one. I guess three I forgot to put one on our list but the magomed fight. When could Alaba just runs in his face could have a runs in his face and Mayan. Almost takes them down before everything happens. People got to Russia. And I'm like Oh shit we gotta brawl no the end up fighting. And then was the stoppage premature. This tough one could. Obviously he was just he was just acting like he was rocked yet. That's always the bullshit right like somebody said you probably got rock like everybody knocked out. Always there okay. After you know the pools the guy off us like I don't know I was good at being so but I did feel like this was really close so I'm not mad at the stoppage at all but I'm I'm more upset with the excuse. That won't come on Man. Don't you playing possibly do? They gotta run it back No. I don't think that I think is wasted. Time for Michael Man. I think this was like a speed bump fight for him you know and they need new contenders so cute pushing up the rankings. Like I don't need to read that back. But the guy has the wrath game case for it being stopped a little too early. I thought he was GONNA get knocked out sooner or later anyway. Yes he saved them a bunch of pain but who knows? The guy came out as the incredible hulk and he constantly yelling people's faces so who knows I didn't pick him as a winner anyway. Then the two women's featherweight fights had big I guess big stakes heading into this one because we already know that. Amanda is trying to defend both belts which he should need a divisions deep enough verdict vacated title so many needs trying to defend both belts she wants to buy all reports defend it in. May in Brazil so one is four women heading into these fights head to make quick work so that they can do a pretty quick turn around eight weeks to me to fight mandate Nunez Lo and behold tool. Women do a quick turnaround. Megan Anderson knocks out. Dumont in the first round with slick right hand. And then we have Felicia Spencer just wrecking dos Santos in the Co main event who deserves the title fight fleeces Spencer. Making was darling before this though she was but she hasn't looked good. I turned fight like aside from this. She has looked only Greek. I'M GONNA Felisa Spencer doesn't matter they're both GonNa get wrecked but we'll go fleece spencer as really felt like she was really dominant and Again that's like Meghan. Meghan was the darling and I just like. She can wait where you can win. Washy I mean. That's fair like Spencer has a submission victory over right so it should be ended discussion there. But I mean it's not people thought like Okay Megan's done enough to earn it and people that's who people always want to see fight Cyborg since what Shaikh force not strike for every victim. We made it with champion. So you look at it but Spencer has the wind so spencer should probably get the next shot. That's a mentioned that felices Spencer went the distance cyborg. So she's a bad as true. Be Megan Anderson. You went to this Cyborg and then you just completely wreck dos Santos. That's fair enough. I'll take I to be clear like when fleeces Spencer fought cyborg is most of us would just like cyber is going to run her over and she didn't right there. Oh she's tough. So it'd be interesting to see if Amanda can can stop police Spencer if the mandate since cyborg couldn't can't Atlanta might be just a brawl. Twenty five minute brawl. Who Don't like that and we don't know if we've seen it once or twice but all the time amandas question mark was always the gas tank and we got to see that holds up. It's been great in recent years but also ties where she hasn't had to use it the cheapest taken to deep water In the main events always the bridesmaid. Never the bride. Joseph benefit is a megan. Lee is one of the nicest people you have meat from people. Listening to this Megan's great. Joseph is great in Vegas all the time. They're just fun couple of great people. This was the time when you felt like the stars aligned for Joseph benefits to become champion Davidson figure figuring aero missed weight going into the fight by two and a half pounds. Then try to cut more weight. So he couldn't win the title. I was like okay flyweight championship in the air vacated by triple see the King of cringe. This is time for. Joseph benefit has come save the vision and finally become champion and he gets stopped in the second round. A bloody mess to figure who now owns the best. Finishing percentage UFC flyway history over mighty mouse over every shuten figuring. I'd yeah I mean Dude. If this wasn't a sign like this shit is never gonNA work. There's no nothing. There's nothing else guys loss in. That's like one ever. Yes but he didn't make way and here okay. I WanNa be clear though figuring. It didn't make weight but he's missed Wayne his career boy. There couldn't be a worse time for you to miss. The absolute worst. Like dude is a vacant title on the Line. And then you go. You're overweight ask comes in you. Knockout Been Evita's in a weird way. Because Bellavia right before we got knocked out it was like wiping blood from his face and he got creed and it was like all right. Well this is like this is like division not show titled Fake and again like it almost give it back to pseudo. Just let them hold it just for alchemy. I just feel like I don't want I mean these two small benefit. I don't really know where it goes from here. Anyway out but the rest of these guys who cares? I mean go to bill tour. I don't know that just doesn't feel like there's a home for you here and this barely enough to make up the division. I think there are fifteen flyweights. That's why in the rankings off fifteen there because there's nobody else to take their place. There's nobody in division so this is a science maybe move onto this division because really the only guy that was there was like cool but the fact that he didn't figured out wait. This sucks just on individuals showed up all thirteen other guys. You're out of job. Move up or bouts just such. I can't I can't just need a blood. They need new blood in the division but since he's been gone as been around long enough we can find new people to bring in inside. It just feels like it. Feels like the women's featherweight division accepts. There ain't no real Champi. There's no competition I mean this black and I don't know if you champion. Yes I don't know if they just don't care about bringing anybody but this division just feels like whatever it's called Devon brought in New People since they did the ultimate fighter for that division. Yeah do you see how that worked out of DIMITRIUS CREAMS? Everyone like no one's being dimitrius. It was this was wet like seeing. This was sick. Obviously Mikey Garcia Vargas fight and I look and I was like. Oh this is. This was your main event to like this. Tyler is meaningless and has new Home Office and then let's the fight for this weekend so we have. What I think is a good card. But it's Kinda like a hardcore fans card so only one thing I feel like we have to talk about on the prelims. And that's the return of Sean. Sugar Sean o'malley get high. Yes the guy's been out for a little bit of the gun but the rules have changed or no. He failed a test for God knows what supplement but he's playing fortnight so keeping yourself busy He looked really good. He looked like the guy who has the style the skill everything put stuff together coming back now. Do you think he picks up where you left off. He's only twenty five. Absolutely I mean this. He's got a ton of talent. He's Taller Shit incorrect. It's fun to watch. Yeah it'd be perfectly fine comes with a lab in Arizona. He's GonNa. He's good to go. I'm glad to see him back. And I think a lot of the fans be glancing back as well and he got injured beforehand so really. This just extended his break. He's so healthy right now because Dinnie like mess up his foot. Something went crazy in a fight but he was one leg. Yeah refused to like take him. It was the Vegas Card Tyrian. Where Yeah terrier. Where no no it was a I remember. The Guy refused to take them down which was incredible about one one leg. An entree Super Beta. That's what it was and a yeah. He hurt himself in that fight and didn't take them down was weird fight and that was shit two years ago so you have your scene to twenty two so two years ago so I mean I'm glad to see him back it'd be it'd be fun to see sugar back in business so it's only find a really care about these pre limbs like this is a solid car but let's not be confused here. This isn't like the barn burner. No main card is better than prelims. So then we have a cowboy lavera versus Max Griffin Cowboys. Look good give him the win. Like every we gotta take it giving away. I'm actually GONNA GO MAX GRIFFIN BECAUSE FEMA. Mass Group got shafted on a few scores in a cow. Well come to fight. I think this actually might be sleeper. Fight this could be a really good fight. Bump isn't gonna Max Griffin just because I feel like it just just toseh- about as well I agree I think it's going to be a good fight though. So that's that's what matters. Most they'll throw hands. We'll see where it goes. Another welterweight fight Neil Magny versus E G Leone. Neil Magnolia surprises me. Man How neil dog no. Yeah of course like conventional says peak pick Eat in this one leaving. Because he's just he's I mean he's Big Shit Saul is don't give you a few reaches incredible but yeah goalie and you can have on this one. Yeah feeling always surprised me. These moments next fight. The neal dare u-s I is close. I don't know who to pick to. WanNa give me Darioush. Why not slipping though? I'm picking truecar close. I feel like going opposite on just about everything here. He's got three fight winning streak. He only lost David Hammer in a fight that if I remember correctly team kind of like just wrestled the hell out of him and cars. He's pretty good so there is as good as well and Darius really good but he loses weird fights to me. Yeah this I'm GonNa Pretty close because just a nice little run. He's very solid. He's not really a finishing. I don't think he's had a stoppage in his career so desperate. That could be a little bit problematic. You know if anybody's betting over into here this probably going over. But don't take your car close these GonNa put it together and win a split decision and picking dare us. He got caught by Camacho in a weird submission Him Close supposed to fight twenty nineteen July. It looks like dairy. Used to win Wait are you saying our again? You WanNA NJ check in the Co main stuff Janas really good Zhang Stop Zor. Stop the game. Yeah Waleed hurt. Level of pressure is in Sane. I think she stops you on your way leads a whole different level than rose. Well okay as well but to me. This is very similar to chocolate. Tito's fight that just passed this week where we had to figure out what was lifting chocolates tank and not came out and showcases talent and prove that. Yeah I'm still here this. Is you on his chest. Latino fight like if you're going to still be here you Kinda need to win this fight. Granted Willie Zang is a lot better than colleague if I say. That's not equal. Yeah it's it's not equal but you WANNA has had a lot of chances with this title if you don't get it now if you can't win now this is it. This is it I mean. How many title-fights tile opportunity to shift Janko for the flyweight title By namen unions got the immediate reimagining lost a decision. There should be Toryism. Michelle waterson whatever. Willie's as obviously a lot better pressure. Fighter proved that with Andrea. She just kinda motor down. And I don't know if you WANNA. Jay Has the pop to keep saying offer so while I questioned the fact that you said Zane would stopper. I wouldn't be surprised because that pressure is pretty unique and eat plus. She moved down disc entourage who was like a savage at this week class and murdered her so missions like her last two stoppages before him were submissions. And I don't trust you on on the ground that's also true. I mean Zhang is like what like Bernard Hopkins? She loses her first fight. And then just never looks back. I think she's a finisher and she's tough in toughest nails she's been dominant. I mean look man. He gave her a tough fight and they went the distance. It's still you know. He survived off toughness yet. Like UELI. Zang Lahser I by unanimous decision. No other vices necessarily close. Since either she stops you or she wins unanimous decision. There is nothing it's just like I was close fight so I'm thinking really saying is she's a problem. She is a problem for this division. Unless for some reason this well corona virus thing has had taken a big toll on her. If you read read the stories. We interviewed her this past week. She's taught the SPN. This past to this fight has been a frigging headache for this girl so that could be the only thing that I could see. They can stop her. I want to say no. I mean if you WANNA wins. It goes twenty-five deters to kick boxing match and pointer. Give it. It is nuts. It's want member. Johanna was like the greatest female fighter. Time like nope. She was unbeatable in. Rose just rose proved you wanna Mike Tyson. Where people were so scared to attack her that it was kind of like analysis by paralysis right Prowess Analysis Q. And they were just freaked out before they went against her then. Rose proved no. I'm just GONNA pressure and bring it to her and see how the bully reacts and the bully. Dan React well and I think Willy's is much the same there's no more mystique around on. They know we're going to pressure and see how she reacts. She's not GonNa win this. This is talk. Latino fight like chocolate Sito was known for his pressure he got. He lost a decision then he got stopped. Which is the reverse of YOU WANNA. She got stop for his loss of decision. And now everybody's wondering what's left sank is just a really is a different type of Bee's chocolates either. Got Karl which is like all right. Cool you can beat this guy we just gotTa figure out where you read. This is a tough fight for you. Wanted to figure out where she say. Michelle Waterson yes. She's better than her. Wheelies aimed problem problem problem problem so yeah it hasn't taken any steps back. Like she has a really fought enough fights against people coming up to clear the air improve that they're like okay when one go back one fight title shot go back one title like she's always been at the top so then in the main events the beginning of the of what hell did this person. Get a title shot. You'll Romero is taking on Israel out of Sonya because Boorda Chino is injured so Israel Romero Romero's on a two fight losing streak but it doesn't matter he can punt someone's face off if need be but I predict out of Sonya winning. Stop it but this could be a brawl. It could go all the way. It's dangerous fight but I just think he's Romero's to boxing winds up a little too much. I think I decided you can stay away from that okay so of all the undeserving people getting tyler. I'm not mad at Ramiro versus out assigning because I thought Romero was close enough to beating. Whitaker that you can make a case in that fight. obviously murder. Chris Ryan and he lost a Bra with abortion so with nobody else there is nobody wants to fight Romero. But which you on this and I'm saying I decided he's going to stop them. It's just the problem here is like I'm looking at Romero and I've been looking for all these years and I'm going. Why are you not wrestling people? You a world class wrestler yet. You continue to throw hands like you're a world class striker and you're not you built like a super soldier. I kid like when you land. I give you kill people. You crushed Chris. Widener that flying. You crushed Luke rockall who has glass jar? But you're dealing with a striker of the highest level Israel Sonya and that. What you said was very he winds up alight. And that's enough. I decided to fire one right down the middle and catch them or head kick his ASS aid. Put Him to sleep. Not Maybe they would just get a stoppage out assigned us to sharp for a lot of the bullshit that you Ramirez GonNa try in this fight. The only chance that Romeo has like being real explosive in Addison he's not ready for it or he wrestles him and he could kind of make the fight easy. They won't do it. Ramirez just won't do it as grave he is he just does dumb shit and I think that's why they picked him so this fooling. Oh wrestle he's got too much sand over with me for twenty five minutes like I might take a couple big punches. But don't let him catch me clean pieces and that's the point like we were team. They just do everything at each other. They were just throwing punches. There was no real technique. It was like wherever lands is going to sleep. I decided to set this shit up quite will if you look at the whitaker fight was like by happenstance if you look at the gasoline fire damage smoke gasoline in the fifth round. This was all technique. A Ramirez is kind of one dimensional when it comes to strike and so I fully expect out on you to get him out of there at some point and this really Romero's fault more than anything else a guy who refuses to play to a streaks. That is so stupid. But that's what he does but what if he comes out and he says you know what this is the day then he wins. No He's I still think I decided to take down. Defense is good enough this a world class wrestler like Romero like Dude Romero if he really put his foot on the gas he could Jewish saint-pierre just about anybody in this week class ambig- is up there. Big shoots yeah and he gets you on the ground. How do you get off you? But that's just won't do it. It's like it's the most bizarre is one of the most bizarre things in MMA. 'cause you watch him and you go and Suzie knocks somebody. Gosh it. That's bad because somebody nineties to everybody so you know credits Robert Whitaker who kinda shrugged off all those takedown attempts but Romero still spent much of that fight throwing hands and it's like what are you trying to prove. Full win a fight win a fight that Debbie like it's frustrating. I decided you looks. Dan is just GonNa pick them off. He's going to pick Romero off. And then it's like everybody's incompetent Jones fight but that's why shouldn't happen next now yet no Burkina's the comeback of course but people to him. Yep You are not so. I me judge shadows to do so. I'm not mad at people calling for it but now it's still a little too premature but these guys need each other sooner or later down the road so hopefully they keep waiting because sooner or later they got a date and it doesn't hurt. Outta sunny at all. Go Up and challenge Jones if you lose comeback so timmy. No harm no foul but they definitely have to build to it and that's going to be a fun fight. If everything breaks frightening we get that. But I'm amazed we're all it takes them one punch tiny goth's so we'll see how this plays out this weekend fun. Doing this may show which took almost twice as long due to my fire evacuation but thank you guys for listening. Basically follow us. Act A CORNER OR SKEWED ACT CORNER. Podcast underscore twitter me echo. Dsp him at entrees hail shoutout to blue wire again for letting us do this three times a week. Make sure you guys check out our wrestling show on Friday packed. Full of stuff. 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Day 207 (Isaiah 40-43) - Year 2
"Hey Bible readers I'm barely Kabul and I'm your host for the Bible Recap. In the first thirty nine chapters of Isaiah, we've read his prediction of Jerusalem's fall to Babylon. Which happened approximately one hundred years after he wrote those words, and we'll read more about that time in other books, but before all that takes place Isaiah also prophecies of a hope beyond that of future restoration post exile in Babylon we see this starting to unfold in chapter forty where he speaks to the future generations. In chapter forty. We see the end of Israel's exile. They've been brought back in and God is comforting them in forty eight is as remind Israel that, even though God's creation passes away. God's word itself will stand. He is movable. One of the primary points of chapter forty is that God is worthy of worship and sovereign over all things. Versus sixteen through seventeen point out that if we were to offer all his creation up to him as an offering, it would still fall short of praising him as much as he deserves. But Israel still struggles with trusting in praising God both the rich, and the poor among Israel, build idols, and the people, Still Fall into sin and entitlement. They. act like God can't see their actions and their hearts, and he's being mean to them. So. Isaiah calls them to be servants of Ya to turn to him, but instead just like they did in the wilderness. They complain and accused guide. They looked to the gods of Babylon. Just like their forefathers in the wilderness looked to the gods of Egypt once again. They're missing. The point that y'all way has rescued them. That rescued does lead them through tough times. It's not all a bed of roses, but Israel can't see the big picture. I say it encourages them to trust God because God is doing things. They can't possibly understand and got US capable of more than they can imagine. He tells them to wait or God. Because God himself will renew their strength as they wait for him. The word wait here is the Hebrew Word Kabbah which means to bind together to be joined to meet to expect to be competent trust endure. So if we were to read Verse Forty Thirty, one with all those definitions included. It would say those who are bound together with the Lord joined with the Lord. Who Me with the Lord who confidently expect and trust and endure will renew their strength. The picture painted. Here is more than just waiting on God like you're waiting on her uber to arrive. It's being united with him knowing him trusting his character. When we live in that space, he strengthens us for whatever enduring. In chapter. Forty, one, we encounter some prophecies that point to a king named Cyrus. He's a leader. God raises it from the East, according to verse to from the North According to Verse Twenty Five. Cyrus actually the leader of the Persian empire which eventually destroys Babylon. In Layman's terms Cyrus is the bully that beats up the bully that beats up Israel. And even though Cyrus is not a god, fearing king is still God's servant, and that he serves God's purposes. We'll read more Cyrus tomorrow. Throughout Chapter Forty One god reminds us people that he is with them. which is all they need for the covering? We talked about in chapter forty, and because he's in charge of things, you tells us people three times in this chapter, not to fear. In fact, this is a big theme throughout scripture, the called not to fear shows up three, hundred, sixty, six throughout the Bible one for every day even leap years. God promises to provide for and protect his people which should set their hearts at. And those who don't believe him are the ones who will fall prey to worshipping idols, because if they perceive an absence of God's protection and provisioned. They'll seek it elsewhere. God says not only are the idols themselves worthless, but those who worship them are an abomination. In chapter, forty two. We step into a prophecy of Christ God refuses to give up on his people. God says he'll be compassionate and gentle toward Israel I to puts it this way. A bruised reed. He will not break. And if you've ever felt like a bruised reed. He is compassionate and gentle toward you. In this chapter, he continues to walk out his plan for restoration. It's clear that Israel cannot adequately be God's servant as Isaiah has begged them to be so it's a good thing. Got Has provided a true servant who will fulfil his mission. This servant will restore Israel to God himself and serve as a light to the nations. Chapter forty three is stunning. God opens by reminding them again to fear not and not just because hey, everything's gonna be fine, but because they belong to him. In fact, he says they will go through trials. One of the trials of something they've already seen him. Bring them through. They pass through the waters and were not overwhelmed. Remember that. And, another one of the trial system is something. They haven't seen him do yet, but he will. It happens in the Babylonian exile here it is in verse two. It says when you walk through the fire, you shall not be burned. The flame shall not consume you. That happens will read about whom we get to the book of Daniel, so stay tuned. It makes Tony Robbins Co walking experience. Look like child's play. According to versus ten and eleven God going to do all these miraculous things, because he chose Israel to know and believe and understand who he is, the only savior, the only one not one of many. He calls them to forget the things of the past just as he has forgotten their sins previously, he spent a lot of time telling them to remember so, why is he telling them to forget now? Burst the two things they seem to be remembering and dwelling on their years in exile, for which they blame God and the days when Israel was powerful and prominent. Both of those memories caused them to forget the one thing he does want them to remember who he is to them. So he says to forget those things, because he's doing something all together different this time around. And despite their sin, and their lack of offerings and sacrifices, e will still make away to block out their sins for his own sake. Where did you see your God today? Mine was forty, one eight where he called Israel. His Servant Jacob, his chosen and. His friend. I remember Israel Sin and rebellion yet. They're still serving his purposes I remember Jacobs manipulation to get the blessing I remember him wrestling with God and yet he was God's chosen. And I remember, Abraham. I remember his faith and his doubts. I remember his little lies to preserve his own life. And I remember how he tried to fulfill God's promises instead of waiting on God's timing. Yet God still call him friend. There are no perfect people for God to us. We're all. He's got broken from the start. But he has written us into his story, and he blots out our sins for his own sake. Not just ours, but his own. What an incredible God and father. He's wear the joy it's. The Trinity is one of the most foundational truths of our faith. It can be really confusing, though and if we aren't careful. We ended up putting the three persons of the trinity in a Blender, and mixing them all up together as though they're the same. While God, the Father God the Son and God. The spirit are one, and they are unified in their will and purpose. They're also distinct. Distinct in their roles. We built a PDF that talks more about the roles of the persons of the Trinity using examples and Scriptures and would love to share that with you. If you want to get this pdf for free, all you have to do is go to the Bible recap. Dot Com forward slash trinity and submit your email address. That's the Bible RECAP DOT COM forward. Slash Trinity. The Bible recap is brought to you by. Discipleship, Bible, study groups that meet in homes and churches around the world each week.
Pop Culture Affidavit Episode 110: Smile
"Puck, pucklechurch affidavit episode, one hundred ten smile. Solution. beat. Exchange? Hello, and welcome to episode one hundred ten of Pop culture affidavit, the podcast takes a look at everything random in the world of popular culture, which is brought to you by the to true freaks Internet radio network I'm your host Tom Tanneries? So after a great conversation about Fox, reality shows with Amanda. And then epic look at the life, death and return of Donna Troy. I'm back to comics. This time. I'm not GONNA do anything as involved. As dissecting the confusing continuity of everyone's favorite teen Titan, the work I'm going to be looking at us. Actually a lot different than the superhero were comics monthly books that I've looked at in the past. It's actually a full graphic novel, and it's a full graphic novel that is geared toward young adult audiences, but it is incredibly popular. It's actually one of the best selling graphic novels of the last decade, or so, and that his smile by Raina tell. I'm going to be taking. You guys books history. It's impacted the graphic novel market as well as its impact on its readers. But I'm also going to be doing along with that Watson ops review the things you expect getting into. Why I actually chose to look at this, because it's not the type of thing that you would expect me to cover on this show, I tend to speak to things that are things I have been a fan of things from my youth as in the eighties nineties so again why Oyi a graphic novel from the? Twenty tens. Well you'RE GONNA. Find out you'RE GONNA. Find out quite a bit and I'm going to be doing it after this trailer, so listen to this promo and come back for smile. You'd like cheap comic books right. Lime Professor Alan. And I talk about cheap comic books on the quarterback podcast and every episode all dissect a single comic from my collection. As long as I paid no more than twenty five cents for the issue. Forget about four dollar new comics that you can read in four minutes or crossover events that can cost a hundred bucks to collect. Join me in the quarter been were even bad comics bargain. And good ones are steal. The quarterback podcast is part of the relatively Geeky podcast network. visit us at relatively Geeky podcast dot blogs dot, dot, com, or search, relatively geeky or quarterback podcast tonight tunes. I guarantee it'll be worth every penny. Don't when I was younger. My mom notice, but thank God the. Shooting puppies with a BB. From got bit. Back head. Zeke. Go wait. Hits. The. Fan! Will. Be. Your temperament's bald. Beyond. Smile is written and drawn by rain, attell Ghimire and was released in February of twenty ten. Something, I found interesting about the author was that she was born on May? Twenty, six, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy seven, and that's almost a month before me, my birthday, June, twenty, third, one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy seven. SALGA Myers. So well known and popular as a author that her fans know her by her first name, and her graphic novels have sold tremendously since she began drawing adaptations of the baby sitters club books back in two thousand eight. At this point in twenty twenty, she has five original graphic novels, their smile, which came out in twenty ten sisters and two thousand twelve drama in twenty fourteen ghosts in two thousand sixteen and guts in twenty nineteen smile, which was the first of the autobiographical graphic novel trilogy that also includes Sisters and guts actually started as a web comic within it got picked up by scholastic where she turned it into the full length. Graphic novel that I'm going to be talking about. It is sold tremendously with one point five million copies in print, and in twenty eighteen, which is eight years after it was published, it was still selling nearly one hundred fifty thousand units. That made it number eight on the year end sales list with drama and sisters, being number seven and nine respectively. Now I guess I should point out that telomeres publisher is scholastic They have an enormous presence, not only in graph in the graphic novel market, but in the children's and young adult literature market they after all do publish Harry Potter I believe. And of course all of us who went to school in the eighties and nineties, and even some people who might be younger still due to a certain extent, remember the Scholastic Book Club Flyer something that been mentioned more than one time over required reading. I don't know about you, but I lived for that thing in elementary school. And when we when actually got to order something, it was a real treat, so that's the company that puts those together. They put the Book Fairs Together, which are very popular, middle schools and they publish smile. So they have a huge presence in both graphic novels in the literature market, and I should also point out by the way to those of you who might care about these things from the Info for the previous paragraph that the the sales I was pointing out was traditional bookstore sales, and not necessarily comic book store sales. demons best selling graphic novel lists take look a lot different, and they tend to include Superhero content content by Marvel DC an image that might be non superheroes well, and some other comics publishers, the comparison between the popularity of Comic Book Graphic novels or Graphic Novels and trade paperbacks in Elsie S.'s through diamond, and that market and the bookstore, market, your Barnes and noble your Amazon your independent booksellers. That's like an episode in itself. Because there is a in some cases, there is such a big disparity I. Give Credit for my to my lcs. Telegraph Comics Charlottesville that they do not shy away from the smile. The guts rate until the Myers they are very much forward on promoting that because they want young readers to come into their store so I remember when guts came out last year. They, were posting messages about hey, we're GONNA get. MORE IN WE'RE GONNA get more rain because they didn't want people. You know they don't WanNA, lose. They don't WANNA lose business to Barnes and noble if they don't have to, but anyway the point being that I'm making here as I kind of ramble is that it's a it's an episode in itself be. It's kind of tough to research sales figures aren't always up to date and accurate like I said the Seltzer I had one hundred and fifty, thousand, roughly one forty nine seven something in twenty, eighteen couldn't really find anything for twenty nineteen. And A. Good discussion have professor Alan for instance, because we've had more more than one conversation about this, the market and and sales, and how things are going and how to diversify in how you look at these figures and stuff and I think Shaq's been involved in those as well so we might have to bring him on, but anyway. Looking at the raw numbers bookstore comic store. Whatever we've got one point. Five million copies sold in ten years still maintaining a three hundred fifty thousand copies. A year at that is outstanding for any book. Let alone a graphic novel and not only was smile a hit when it came out. The? Book received positive reviews. The New York Times said it was a story to comfort readers traversing years between childhood and adulthood, Qurqus mean did an editor's choice and call the your assistant funny and touching with strong writing and emotionally expressive characters, the also listed as one of the best twenty two nonfiction books for teens. The School Library Journal called it an excellent addition to middle school literature. And it was included as one of four great graphic novels for family entertainment. In two, thousand, ten, the Christian Science Monitor the book on quite a number of awards. It won the two thousand ten Boston Globe. Horn book honor for fiction. In Two thousand eleven, the book won the Eisner for best publication for teens. It was one of the Young Adult Library Services Association Y'All says twenty eleven top ten great novels for Teens and twenty. Eleven Association for Library Service to Children's notable children's Book for Middle Readers and twenty thirteen at one, the intermediate young reader's Choice Award from Washington and the twenty thirteen rebecca. Claude ill young readers book award from Illinois It also won the twenty fourteen Nevada young reader award. And that's quite a bit of praise, and so the question then presents itself. What is it about smile? Why does it get so much praise? Well Let's get into that. Let's get into the plot of the book. All give a pretty thorough. Synopsis I can get I've got a review. Like, I, said I've got a whole thing toward the end of this episode as to. Why this book this episode, Right, now The novel takes place in San Francisco in the late nineteen eighty s and early nineteen ninety s begins in nineteen, eighty nine, and it begins with a Spring Nineteen eighty-nine visit to the dentist where Raina wearing her girl scout uniform gets her picture taken, and not only has a concert with the orthodontist, but finds out that she's going to need braces to fix her over bite. She's concerned about the braces and wonders why she needs them in the first place, but her mom insists but well. Yeah, you do need them. Unfortunately, her younger sister yells. She's going to be a metal mouth. She heads to her girl Scout, meeting and some of her friends tell her that having braces isn't so bad although they do go down the list of all the things, rain won't be able to eat because of her braces. You've ever had braces. You can picture this popcorn gum gummy candy corn on the COB. I remember having to have my bagels cut up, so they were in like wedges because I couldn't rip the Bagel off the off the thing on the way home from the girl Scout Meeting. However, she racist her friends to her front door, and as she's doing it trips and falls, and she lands on her face, and winds up knocking out her two front teeth. Rina's rushed to her orthodontists office and she has emergency dental surgery to help save the teeth something that seems like a weird dream to her. The next morning she wakes up with a cast on her teeth. That were help them. Heal and set in place. The next week. She returns to school and when a teacher asks her to tell the class what happened. She's immediately accosted by her classmates who want to Gawk at the cast and Badger her about what happened. But another week goes by. The orthodontist removes the cast only to discover that. Her. Two front teeth have settled back into her mouth, but they went further up into the gums than the rest of her teeth, so it looks like there are only grown halfway in not only that there's a lot of nerve damage we over here. The doctor telling her parents that they're doing their best to make sure that Raina doesn't have to wear dentures. Age Twelve at her next girl scout meaning arena shows everyone. Her teeth, and one of her friends makes a comment that the pigtails. She's wearing combined with the tooth problem. Make her look like a baby. It's something that Mesa feel incredibly self conscious, and it's the impetus for her. Asking her mom. She could have her ears pierced for twelve th birthday. The dental work meanwhile continues. Raina has root canals done to help repair nerve damage, and then she heads to the orthodontist for the braces which will include headgear. It begins with impressions and eventually ends with the brackets on her to Frattini's which are incredibly uncomfortable and even painful. But on the bright side she does get her ears pierced. The school year ends with Raina. Wondering why more boys don't like her? And her, also having a classmate referred to her as vampire girl when she signed her yearbook. The summer goes by. She gets her headgear. Then she heads to seventh grade. were she almost immediately gets a crush on a boy named Sammy, who is in her band class and has a crush on her. THAT OCTOBER! She and her family experienced the nineteen eighty-nine San Francisco earthquake, which famously took place during the world series and destroyed a portion of the bay bridge. Everyone is okay in recovers although they find it hard to concentrate on much of anything and get back to normal in the first few days after. Sami like I said likes her. And he tries to ask her out, but she heads off dutifully to her next orthodontist appointment when he does not realizing that he wanted to ask her out. Until? She's walking to his. At her next appointment, those she gets an update on how the tooth project is going, and it's not good. It seems that using braces to pull her. Two teeth down isn't working because those teeth are fused to the bone in her jaw. So. What they'll have to do is pull out her two front teeth and use braces to drag the others over to close the gap. In the meantime she'll get a temporary set of false teeth are fitted to a retainer, and that takes place over her Christmas break. It's a big confidence booster for her, and she returns to school feeling that she can smile normally at people, although at one point, her teeth do fall out while she's talking to her friends, and it freaks them out a little bit. Still it seems like things are going much better while Sammy still likes her. She seems to have a bigger crush on Sean from the basketball team. She does tell Sami that she'll be the Valentine's Day dance, but when she shows up, her stomach feels terrible, and she goes home that terrible feeling in the stomach by the way is a symptom of. Her ongoing struggles with things like anxiety and IBS, and those things 'cause the closet, and that is the subject of her third autobiographical graphic novel guts, which I also going to recommend it's. It's really really funny, so the day after the Valentine's Day dance. Sammy gives her believed Valentine's Day present. It's a big. Heart of chocolate candies. And after she kind of blows him off, saying you know all open it later, and doesn't it open it right there? He realizes that he has no chance and he's really hurt doesn't speak to her again. orthodontist tells Raina. That retainer has been doing its job, and she's ready for the full set of braces, this upsets her, and eventually we do move from seven to eighth grade where she continues to have her wired up mouth, but when she returns to school, she notices how much all of her friends have changed in how everyone has become awkward in their own way. Although the boys you know they do continue to mature so some things stay the same right. Eighth grade continues to be a navigation of things beyond dental issues, friends, boys hormones. She begins to feel a little distant from her usual group of friends, though and that comes to a head toward the beginning of ninth grade, when the two of them Nicole Karen Pants her while she's waiting in a vending machine line. She tells them off ditches. That group finds respite in her art and then makes new friends. A few weeks into her sophomore year, the big day arrives. Her teeth have been moved over. A bond has been placed on the two front ones, and now she's going to get her braces off. She's a little freaked out by how weird she thinks they look, but her parents and friends assure her that she looks fine. She narrates while her life didn't dramatically change after that she did begin to find what she loved to do and was passionate about. Most of her attention to that and the final scene of the book is Rena. Dance and smiling for photo. Now, this isn't the first time I've covered one of telomeres books. If you head on over to required reading with Tom and Stella, the literature podcast that I co host with well what Stella 'cause. That's in the title. We covered drama in episode twenty one. In that one I. Know that we both talked about how we teach students who are right in the core audience for books readership. She teaches middle schoolers I teach high school freshman, and I know that I've heard a number of my freshman as well as my twelve year old son say they've read all of graphic novels. I managed to grab a copy of the book last summer when my colleagues and I were cleaning out the department book room, it was a loan copy and I was working on building a classroom library so. It went on my classroom bookshelf. It must have sat up there for a few months before I finally decided to actually read it. I read drama by that point I read it a couple of times and while I. Don't think that this is at a ninth grade. Reading levels or wouldn't teach this book. I picked it up. Because well, I was curious. Maybe some of the kids might WanNa read it as well or borrow it because. After all you're looking at a book that has been consistently selling in the hundreds of thousands for the better part of a decade. I really wanted to figure out like what is it about this book that people like so much and I know I'm not the target audience, but I went into reading with that thought in my head and I also did try to take more critical or objective. Look at it while reading it because that's a question that does beg to be asked. Is this a good story for teens and tweens? Is it a good story over all I can say that the answers to both questions are resounding, yes. I'll start with art and I'll get to the story afterward. Only because I don't have much to say about the art and I have more to say about the actual story. Because the arts, really great. Tell, Ghimire has a style that is very Charles Schultz. Were at least has those influences. And, since I've been a longtime of peanuts, that's a huge plus for me. Furthermore, each character while drawn in particular in that particular style still has two distinct luck, body, type and personality. She also makes the settings seem realistic as possible within the cartoony -ness of the world, while the dental work isn't gory. By any means, we definitely get the sense of how irritating and sometimes excruciating, it is and Rina's awkwardness is on full display in a way that makes you feel for her and also laugh along with her. Tell Ghimire also does a great job of working with panels about four to five per page. A layup that read that utilizes the format really really well speaking of format, this was published in a five and a half by eight inch size, which smaller than your average comic book or trade, but I believe is actually very close to like a Manga collection and considering how popular those were in twenty ten, when this was published and to a certain extent, they still are with teenagers. that's a great choice on the part of I. Don't know if it was her choice or scholastic, but really really smart. Kinda grouping with all the other types of. Size books that the kids were reading at the time now. Formatting side really great artwork. The artwork that matches the tone of the story creates the mood. It's light, but it had heavy when it has to be. An is really really expressive all that aside. Let's talk story and characterization. This is a memoir. But even memoirs need to have the elements of a fictional narrative because you're still telling a story within the memoir. The accident with rain teeth and her repeated dental work serve as an anchor to what is a larger story about surviving middle and early high school, or if you went to one like I did junior high. She uses the progression of the school year and the progression of her dental visits to mark time. And she also sheds light on how her physical characteristics affect her emotionally and socially. Not only that I think that this is shown using a fair amount of realism and even nuance, which is something that you don't often get or expect from the middle school survival genre. Raina has crushes on boys, and she has friends who don't treat her particularly well, but we don't see her. Coming up with some hair brained scheme to get a guy like her or going to war with the mean girls. We see all of this in a more everyday context. No This is not all particularly cinematic. It's not even dramatic to see her. Make it through the mundanity of the school year. But honestly that's the book strength. This isn't an indulgence in some sort of revenge of the NERDS, fantasy or pretty in pink fairy tale. It's more about an awkward girl. Finding place something that I think all of us. Boy Or girl has struggled with at one point or another. Okay I know, that's too general of a statement because I know, there are people out there. Who are the beautiful people? The ones who never had to struggle to fit in and I know there are people out there who had to struggle in a much harder way. Than what we see in this novel for various reasons, but even so I think that a lot of people can still identify with her. We can identify with being about twelve or thirteen and straddling that line between your childhood and burgeoning young adulthood, which we see at the girl scout meeting immediately following her accident when her friends point out that along with her missing front teeth. Her pigtails maker looked like a little kit. We see it in her shyness. Around Sami and Sean and the stress that having this crushes causes her, and we definitely see it in her friendships. especially the ones that deteriorate as you move from the the end of the sixth grade. All the way to ninth grade I was not just rooting for Rena through the entire book. I was genuinely happy for her when I read the scene where her friends pants her, and then she finally tells them off. It's done really well, too. As it happens in ninth grade, so by then we've had more than two full school years a significant amount of the novel to see these relationships with. are four girls, Karen Nicole Emily in Kayla develop from when we first see them sitting around a table and a girl scout meeting the night that Raina has her accident to that point. And I know I already described the scene a little bit in the synopsis, but I wanted to go a little bit more in depth. Here Serena is at lunch. And when she opens her backpack and people see the toothpaste. She carries along with the rubber bands for her braces, just kind of like I gotta go into the bathroom after lunch and kind of cleanup and reattach these things Karen makes fun of her for carrying toothpaste because she has to cover up her dog breath. Then Raina goes and get some food from vending machine, or at least she gets in line then when she standing in line at at the patio, the school here she's wearing a t shirt and a skirt with leggings underneath the Nicole. Karen run up and yanked the skirt down. In four panels we get those few seconds like after it happened, were she? Just kind of looks down in this look like wait. What just happened and then the shock of realizing what happened and then her yanking her pants and running away to hide in the bathroom. After, that happens. Emily and Kayla were not the ones who pulled down her pants run into the bathroom and they find her crying stall. Say All you know. Nicole and Karen were just playing around right. Rainer. Replies. That's not the point. The humiliated me. Emily says, but you have to admit it was kind of funny. And so this sets her off. She storms out of the stall, and then she storms out of the bathroom, and then when she sees the other two girls, she says you WanNa reaction for me. Find Karen I'm not a dog Nicole I'm not a vampire and I'm not gonNA. Let the rest of your disrespect me anymore. I'm done goodbye. She leaves an hourly that she spends the rest of the book, not being friends with them. This is where I- oddly found myself being really proud of her. Because it's something I could never do. I've written about this other spaces and I probably will at some point in the future as well. I spent a lot of time in junior high high school, and even college being the person in the group who seemed to be kept around because everyone else needed someone to make fun of. And I certainly heard those lines. We were just joking. Why do you have to take everything so seriously and take a joke lines more than I can count and I suppose if I go back throughout my life from the time I was about eleven or twelve, and litigating every single instance where I heard that phrase there would be definitely times when I brought it on myself. I was awkward I was Klutzy. I tried way too hard to fit in and get people to like me. You know as if I was trying to make up for the fact that some governing body of social existence had decreed that I would never be cool and I really wanted to be cool I. Know that really doesn't matter in the long run, but I bring it up here because we see Raina go through something very similar, but she not only tells her friends to shove it. It, she never comes back to them. She doesn't make up with them. And that's really key. Because often, that's what happens. In fact, what often does happen is the opposite of what she does. The person who is mad eventually makes up with those friends who treated them terribly, and they're more or less gas lighted into believing that. Yes, they overreacted and they can't take a joke. Again I speak from experience here, but if that were the only thing about this graphic novel about a teenage girl that spoke to me a forty three year old guy. I don't think I'd be talking about our podcast. I still enjoy it. I would have thought it was a great message for young people, especially for those who are dealing with issues of awkwardness and self esteem in the exile, body, and even depression that can come with them. Know. What hit home for me and what kept me coming back? To the book. What kept coming back to me. Is the third panel of page one zero five. Right in the center of the page rain is at the dentist and she gets new retainer. That's going to be. It's going to help us. Get the fake teeth on it. It's GONNA stabilize teeth. And what it looks like it looks like your classic retainer, but instead of a wire attached to a plastic plate. You know what I'm talking about. There are two false teeth on the front of that wire. I looked at that. I had to look twice. Because that's exactly what I had when I was thirteen. My history with dentists who already pretty extensive by the time I was thirteen years old. I did the typical cleanings and checkups when I was a kid, but when I was in the third grade. My regular dentist told my parents that I had a couple of problems. One I headed over bite. And that meant that I was going to have to get braces and to my baby teeth were falling out on schedule. Now I can tell you that the ladder of those. That's actually not a big deal. Nowadays, my kid had a similar problem. They took forever to fall out. He actually lost his last baby like a year or so ago. But his dentist was fine with letting it all happen. Just geologists let them fall out. It's OK. You See. My kid didn't grow up in the eighties. Didn't do that. No I grew up in the eighties. My baby teeth wouldn't fall out so I was sent to an oral surgeon for the extraction of twelve teeth or the course of five years. Yet twelve. Eight baby teeth and my wisdom teeth. Not only that. I was completely conscious through all of it, so there was no putting me completely under there was no laughing gas or anything like that. People in my generation didn't do the whole video of you know the person in the backseat of the car like tripping out because they're on the nitrous still and they're like what? which by the way is really freaking? Cruel and I hate those videos because it's just a way to ridicule somebody publicly for the fact that I don't know. They had oral surgery like it's not funny. Stop doing. It's your friends. Stop doing it to your kids. Okay off my soapbox. So anyway, no laughing gas, no anesthesia. What am I, Dr Do my doctors shoved the needle up into my gums numb me up and took a pair of pliers. A yanked my teeth out of my mouth. The local anesthetic meant it wasn't completely medieval. But I have to tell you was damn close. There's nothing like the sound of the crunch of pliers around your tooth, and the feeling of your entire head being pulled forward as that tooth is taken from you followed by the site of the bloody gauze that they keep replacing because you're bleeding into your mouth from where they pull the tooth and all of that when you're eight. But Hey? At least they gave me coding after everything was over, and I was allowed to eat carnation instant breakfast for three days, or so at before I could finally solid food again, so there's that. And all of that and adenoid removal surgery by the way, and that was supposed to include my tonsils, but my own don system pediatrician got into this whole fight about it. So I still have my tonsils, my pediatrician by the way as an aside. He wanted like nasty divorce or some sort. He literally fled the country with his daughter. At least this is what piece together over the years overhearing my parents but I remember that like his office staff call up all the patients and said were released. We're only releasing records on like this at this time. And I stood in line with my dad to get them and the line staff of patients to get this the records. Everybody's records from this guy's office went out of the office out of the building and down the block of the building that day like we were all lined up for phantom menace, tickets or something. I'm pretty sure that's illegal, but again people got away with all sorts of crappy eighties that I'm I'm not surprised that that's what happened. Anyway back on topic I had twelve teeth pulled. My adenoids were taken out, not my tonsils. And I ended up getting sets off braces on my top my bottom teeth all in elementary school, so when I head off to junior high school in the fall of Nineteen eighty-nine I'm done with dental work. Until June twenty-fifth nineteen ninety. So this two days after my thirteenth birthday, I've been hanging out with my friend Tom for most of the day. We've been swimming because it was summer and this what you do in summer in the suburbs. At the end of the day we head to my grandmother's house. Both my parents are working. My grandmother lived a few streets over from my house, so we wrote our bikes everywhere. And when my dad called my grandma to say that he was home, my sister Tom and I got an our bikes and we headed for my house. I realize this is me giving little work till you probably need to know about the story, but as far as setting is concerned, actually reason for telling you that we were a few blocks away and that there were two routes to take from my grandmother's house to my house Tom and I decided to race each other. I would go one way he would go the other way we would see who got there quicker. And that meant that I was by myself, and I was traveling pretty fast when the bag of wet swim close that I was holding in my left hand got caught in the spokes of my bike. To this day. I, don't know what happened. Because even thirty years later, actually have a gap in time here. All I remember was turning the corner from poplar street onto Colton Avenue and then. Waking up on an exam table in the civil urgent. Care Clinic screaming in pain. So how that bag caught! My spokes is a complete mystery to me. It's likely I just slipped out of my hand and fell at just the right angle. Instead of you'll falling just right onto the ground. But what I do know happened is that I crashed the bike? And instead of falling out sideways, and wiping out that way or just going kind of head over heels over the handlebars. My face went into the center of the handlebars. So the part of the handlebar where there's a there's a joint that attach the handlebars to the rest of the frame of the bike. To of my bottom teeth were chipped and my two top front teeth were knocked out. One of the teeth simply came out the other went through my upper lip, and it lift a huge hole underneath my right nostril. My. Sister found me and the woman who lived in a nearby house, helped her, either call my dad or call nine one one, and that's how I got into the Urgent Care Clinic I was rushed to the hospital. Put into quick emergency surgery to patch the hole in my in my lip, and after all the swelling went down, I ended up going back to all my dentists. Because well I'd completely destroyed all the orthodontia that have been done to elementary school. One of my bottom teeth by the way was so badly damaged that it was pulled. Not Extraction was not as bad as the others, but it does make a Baker's dozen of extractions so there you go. The other tooth that was chip was bonded. I still actually have the bonding or had. The bonding replaced a few years ago because it had deteriorated. But after all that was done, the real work began. So I've described the fun of oral surgery, which was all sorts of Yanking 's and needles. To me though that didn't compare to the fun that was getting the dental impressions. I mean. It's actually featured in the book. and. It shouldn't be a big deal. You get a mouthguard with plaster. Put around your teeth for a minute. And that gives the orthodontist away to study your teeth and decide what they're going to do for you. My problem is that I have a horrible gag reflex. So just about every time I had impressions done when I was a kid. I threw up all over myself. Novacaine. No no problem pain. No problem vomit. I can't handle it. It was terrible. To the point where like? My orthodontist new after throw up, so she gave me a bucket to aim for because she knew it was likely going to happen, and there was at least one time where I throw up so badly. That I had to have the impressions redone because I she couldn't use the the dental impressions. I hated getting these I. Don't like them now. Anyway. Because I one point I had to have dental impressions in my adult adulthood, but I didn't throw up, so but at least I've gotten over the gag reflex. But the tears in vomit that accompanied this step. would be worth it in the long run because it did allow my orthodontist to figure out what she was GonNa do. That's where the fake teeth come in. She called it a flipper. It looks exactly like the one or looked exactly like the one that ran awareness in the book, except the hers was on a Retainer Wire, mine was just loose. It was molded to fit in my mouth, and I could use polygraph I felt, I needed it, but that stuff felt really weird, and I would only put it in what I felt like I. Really needed to keep it in my mouth, otherwise they just. Put the teeth in my mouth? I also used effort and. When I soaked it overnight while wearing this I had braces put on to move the other teeth over. The idea was that the flipper would slowly be shaved down as the gap in my mouth got tighter and tighter and tighter, and once they were in position. Those teeth that used to be I, think my canines reminds whatever would get veneers, so they were the correct size. It's exactly what happened by the way, but it took about three years to complete I, only wore the flipper with the fake teeth for about a year, but that happened to be the eighth grade, which is objectively the worst year of school for just about anyone I mean there's literally a movie called eighth, grade. That's about it. And what made things even worse was what had happened after lip so I'm gonNA. Throw a medical term it you here. It's called key Loyd. This is essentially an overgrown scar. The American Academy of Dermatologist describes a key Lloyd as Quote a type of raised scar unlike other racecars key Lloyd's grow much larger than the wound that caused the scar. If you've kilo improved skin, anything that can cause a scar may lead to a key Loyd. This includes a cut burner severe acne. Some people see a key Lloyd after they pierced ears or get a tattoo. Akilah can also form as a chicken pox scar, sometimes a skirt surgical. For instance, like what happened to me, becomes a key Lloyd. Key Lloyd usually takes time to appear after an injury, months can pass before the scar appears and a key Lloyd can also for more quickly wants it begins, it can enlarge slowly for months and years. So. That's what happened to the place under my right nostril where the tooth went through my lip. It seems a he'll okay at first, but then the scar hardened and tightened up into a big red lump. That sat there looking like a giant red pimple. And Look I know that chicks dig scars but I don't think they dig the type of scars that makes you look like a deformed Rudolph the red nosed reindeer. So I had to the eighth grade with to fake teeth. A huge scar under my nose and in already low status in the social pecking order I. Spend the entire. Your pining for girls who didn't know existed. And if they did, they probably thought, I was weird, and I struggle with a couple of classes. I think that might have happened. Had I not had the scarlet teeth, but? They just compounded everything. You know people would ask me if the scar hurting. Okay, that's a legitimate question. Because it was very read, it looked very angry and very painful. Wasn't legit was telling me that I should just pop it like it was as it or and I'm serious here. Offering to remove it using. Ice Cuban in exacto knife. And then once people beyond just my friend group found out about it and the accident, and the especially the teeth I was asked by all sorts of people. If I could take my teeth out and showed them now. You are probably asking the question. Why did you tell your friends that you had fake teeth well? They were my friends and I was under the impression that you could tell your friends about such things so that maybe that particular trauma wasn't a source of shame, and they could be supportive again. Things to myself. Anyway. I put up with that for a year, but right before I started the ninth grade, the teeth were taken off the flipper, and they were mounted on brackets and were just attached to the wire that was on my braces, so I had fake teeth, but they were right in my mouth, and they couldn't come out and there were few. Take your teeth out request at first, but once explained that they were on the brackets. I couldn't do it the stopped. Over the course of the ninth grade I had all of the fund that braces come with including rubber bands. That's something that rain. Illustrates and shows us in the in the book and there's such a pain. The are such a pain in the butt. You know hooking them up and having them like fly off the bracket in out into like wherever you're looking for the stupid rubber band that's fallen on the floor, such pain, so in the spring of tenth grade in this would be nineteen ninety three. Most three years after the accident. The fake teeth shave and shave down and taken out of my mouth so much because the other teeth had moved over. And my four top front teeth were fitted with porcelain veneers. Those veneers are actually still on my teeth. I have gap between my two front teeth because I got a retainer after this. And didn't wear it as much as I should have mainly because you know even though I regularly clean it. I got by my parents by the way that my breath was terrible and I stopped wearing the retainer because I just didn't WANNA, hear! Anyway. Again things to tell my therapist. The scar. The, teeth got taken care of in nineteen, ninety-three, three. The scar did as well, but it actually took a lot longer to finally close the book on that. It honestly wouldn't be until out. I was out of college. We had a hypothesis that puberty was at the root of the key Lloyd and that ended up proving. But again it took until I was almost done with college to prove it. There were two attempts at to remove it via what they call laser. Derby Abrasion where you put you out and they wack. Wack it off with the laser. One in the summer of ninety one the other in December of ninety one both of the Times a ski. Lloyd came back. And honestly became this thing you know like. You to surgeries to try to remove into Cape coming back. It was like I don't want to say. It was like controlling who I was, but it was so impossible for me to ignore it, and I have no idea if like the kids school like we're always looking at it or whatever I mean. I got comments about it, but at the same time it, it's blurry as to whether or not I made more of a big deal out of it than they did I mean. It's been almost thirty years, so that May. May have been the case. What I do, remember clearly was set. My parents wouldn't ignore it you even after the surgery. That really did fix it. Can I'm going to get to that in a minute? My Dad would like inspect it all the time I remember him flipping at one time when my friends and I were screwing around one of them shot a rubber band at me, and it hit me like right in the face, and he was screaming at me about you know protecting my face, and all these things like it. Made me like really really self conscious. They would like pictured a picture day at school because my parents were the people who actually ordered pictures instead of just like letting you put it in the yearbook. They would remind me every year to tell the tog refer to face me so that my left side was facing the camera as opposed to my rate and that way, you wouldn't get the scar in the picture as much. which is I, guess a finer quest, but at the same time like. The time they tilted you right? They tilted you so that you're right. Side was facing, so it kind of looked off in some of the yearbooks where I was facing a different direction that everybody else you know between that. Can you get that thing popped? I can take off for you. Let's see how this is looking. And every time I looked in the mirror this thing staring angrily at me I again. I was self conscious I was already awkward. I was already this Dork. This made it much much worse. I tried looking through my teenage journals which I still have. To see whether or not I had written anything like deep about the scar, if I really really got into how I was feeling about it. Did I pour my soul onto those pages about it. No not really There was a lot I. mean a lot of stuff written about girls. I was crushing on, but the only mentions of the scar were when I had the work done. Or that I was sick of seeing it on my face. I did write an entry on August. Twelfth, Nineteen. ninety-three and that was a week after I had plastic surgery. Yeah, you heard that. At sixteen I had plastic surgery. Can you get more boozy than that right? Anyway here's. He's the entry said. On August fifth. I had my scar removed for the third time. I went under the knife. Getting numbed up first, and then getting the scar, hacked off, and a piece of skin taken from behind my ear for a skin graft. I was then stitched up and everything for the next four days I was wearing a huge bandage over my face for the purpose of helping the graph because part of the skin I guess. On Tuesday we saw whether or not it took. It did, but we weren't out of the woods. I did not wear the bandage, but I did have to stick to my diet of liquids and soup as I had to do when the bandage was on me. Now today. I found out that the skin graph was hundred percent. Success ally cannot play rough activities. No more softball I have to Veg for the rest of the summer I'm able to once again. EAT solid food. I'll still have to do some medical crap in the future, but I don't mind. The ZIG is gone. Now I have to complete my second goal. My Learner's permit. that. Medical crap by the way was going to the plastic surgeons office every few months to get a steroid called catalog injected into the surgery site to keep the tissue from key leading. Had to wear a sheet of silicone over the scar and tape it down with an ace bandage while I slept. That meant that. Mornings. At least during first period I would have like this big line across my face, because I don't sleep sitting very still so I would be like rolling my head back and forth, and by like the third day wearing the same age, the bandaged become lake would roll up, so it would just kind of dig and dig align into my face. It will go away as the day went on. Thankfully, by the time we went off to college. Silicone Gel would go on the market and all I would have to do this like rub that on my scar, every night and that would. I don't know how it worked, but it formed enough of of covering that it would apply the pressure and keep that down and keep it from key leading. The injections the silicone. Gel in various forms lasted until the spring of my senior year of college. And as much as I don't remember the events of the accident in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, I vividly remember the day I had my last appointment with the plastic surgeon. He put me in the exam chair. He took a look at my face. Getting Ready to see if he had to inject the site, he said that's it. We beat it. I had to ask them to repeat really like I. Don't have to like no. I don't have to see you again. Slick after five years nearly five years after getting the skin graft surgery and five years of treatments to prevent another Hugh Lloyd was finally okay. No more doctor visits. I still have a scar under minors. I still have the skin grafts car. It's not very noticeable. It's not very read or tanker anything. If you really look at me, you can see it. I see it obviously, sometimes I actually forget it's there sometimes i. Pack to a fidgeting with it will rub it. and honestly. I hadn't thought that I was going to be talking about this so much. But it with what is it being thirty years since that happened? and seeing that image in smile, which kind of triggered this, all of it resurfaced, and all the resources, the way I wasn't expecting. Reading Smile and to a lesser extent, sisters and guts made me feel like I have an odd kinship with Taga Meyer. In the very least I can truly empathize with a lot of what she's writing about and what she went through. She doesn't owe anything as a writer. Writer owes me anything. But serendipity kind of brought me here and I'm really glad it did. Smile is readily available just about anywhere. If. You're really interested in reading it. I would go to your local library. They probably have at least one maybe multiple copies. Or if you WANNA. Buy Lcs, has it? They can easily or for you know support those local businesses. Before I go onto my next. I have some feedback I have some facebook comments, etcetera on various episodes, I on Episode One oh five. That was the very special episode one. Ranger Gord commented though not about kids I also remember the mash up where winchester was taking the stuff. which was amphetamines. And dosed radars racing mice off Rob Kelley gotten around to that one yet. Gene Hendrix said I'm watching a very special episode of. Nine this morning, and it's right in line with all the other episodes you covered. It's called valiants. He provided a a link to it. And there is a comments on episode one eight from Michael Wagner about Amanda and I talking about Fox reality shows, and he says yea and Amanda Episode Let the Sas Commence. Really do appreciate that. In regards to episode one nine, which was last episode I have to give a shout out to Michael Bailey, who not only invited me to be? A part of the jail may crossover, but who had some really nice things to say about the episode itself on Twitter, and if you WanNa hear more of me and Michael Check out episode fifty of the Comics Reading Journal, over on the relatively, Geeky Network Mike and I talked to professor. Allen about uncollected and I and divesting. Divesting ourselves of our comics collections, it's a great episode overall. He's got a lot of great guests that a lot of great conversations on that episode it was really really fun to sit down and talk to both those guys of one more piece of feedback. This is actually a blog. Comment posted blog comment and it's actually usually I. Don't put these on. I did a bunch in episode one on one, but I really really wanted to put this on the episode here. It is a comment on my post from back on December thirty first of two thousand nineteen. This was my look at MTV's dawn of the decade. Hardy special. It is from Tracy P. She left this on May twentieth of Twenty Twenty and she says hello there. I was really interested to read this article, and I'm very pleased to be able to boast that. I was at the Palladium for the MTV dot of the Decade Party in one, thousand, nine, hundred nine. I was working as an open hair. New Jersey at the time and I was twenty three. So I'm ancient now. I've watched the video and it was great to see it as I've never seen before. The Party was actually held on New Year's. Eve was recorded in October or November. We all have to pretend it was new year's Eve. We even did a fake countdown. Some of the acts mingled with the audience afterward. My claim to fame is that I sat on the stairs and had quite a chat with Nayna. Cherry both being British. We were both quite homesick, and she was missing her young daughter, who was only a baby at the time. For me, Nina and the B, Fifty. Two's were the highlights of the night. Hardly anyone had heard of Lenny Kravitz than it was a great party I'll never forget it so I just wanted to share that comment because that's really cool to hear about a little bit of an insight into how the specials are put together and just the story about ninety Sherry that that s really really cool, so thank you tracy for leaving that comment. And that'll be it for me. Next up is an episode. IV, promised a few months ago Stella and I sat down and talked about the entire thirty issue image comics series paper girls. It was a great discussion, and you'll be able to hear that in a few weeks, and until then don't forget the send me feedback and support the show by leaving a review and sharing on social media, and as always thanks for listening. And take care. Thanks for listening to pop culture affidavit, which is produced by me Tom Pantries all clips or copyright, their respective copyright holders. Infringement is intended. This podcast is a part of the to true freaks. 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Scientists study the coronavirus immunity puzzle
"Support for the world comes from hint, fruit, infused water with no calories or sweeteners hint has over twenty five flavors, including watermelon water in stores or delivered from drink, hint, dot, com hint water with a touch of true fruit flavor. I WANNA. Tell you about another show. You might enjoy. Ted. Ex shorts hosted by a Tosa. Lee Ted Tech Shorts will immerse you in surprising knowledge, fresh perspectives and moving stories from some of the most compelling tech's community talks out there. Start each day with short eye, opening ideas on apple, podcasts, spotify or wherever you listen. As be corona, virus spreads across. America, we're asking. How does immunity work and as you estates? Shut things down again? English pugs are reopening with bar owner keeping expectations low now. We're not going to make profit. My, ambition is just to make a contribution towards rainy, and when the bars open tomorrow at six in the morning, the English will behave sensibly right unlikely to be honest. I'm Marco Werman. Also today, new music from the National Band of Djibouti. The musicians lead double lives when they're off duty. They're off work and they're sitting at hanging around jamming. They are not playing national ceremony music. They know how to March formation, and they know how to swing all that and more today. You're on the world. I'm Marco. Werman misses the world. Glad you could make it here. On the start of this holiday weekend typically heading into July Fourth, a lot of us would be on the road already, but if there's been one realization this week, this pandemic is going to be with us for a while SARS covy to that the scientific name for the novel coronavirus. It's already changed American. The world in so many found ways, and yet the disease is still cloaked in a Lotta mystery, front and center in this puzzle, understanding immunity, and how it works as scientists around the globe collect even more clues. The answers are not so straightforward at least not yet as the world's Alana Gordon Explains Sydney Ramirez was already into corona viruses before the pandemic. Her inspiration came from her dad a doctor. He wound up caring for people who came down with the original stars back in two thousand three, when he was traveling with a group in China, he told me stories and they knew that. Why Do Infectious Disease Research? I knew that I work in virology lab. Ramirez is now a doctor herself and variety, the division of infectious diseases and global public health at the University of California San Diego and the nearby La Hoya. Institute for you -nology. When this new coronavirus SARS covy to emerged January, she was ready to jump in one of the important questions that we were trying to figure out is what sort of immunity is protective for SARS covy to so what mechanisms in the body can successfully fight off the virus and what backfires when I think about immunity I just I kind of think about warfare unfortunately and the fact that there's. There's always this arms race where the viruses trying to make you know better weapons, and then the body's trying to make better weapons, and it's sort of a matter of like who wins. Scientists have learned that Starr's Kobe to has a particular way of invading ourselves. The virus has a spike protein on its shell. Ramirez think of that spike as a special key that can then unlock the. The doors to ourselves so basically once inside the cell it hijacks the factory and starts pumping out. You know various pieces of itself, and makes more virus and more virus more virus unusually. What happens is it makes so much. That ends up killing the cell. Our bodies have different weapons and strategies on reserve to try and stop this takeover some macktaz, the general first responder to any kind. Kind of infection. It's kind of a blunt instrument would kind of doesn't know the difference between different viruses, others are more targeted and learn to adapt to a specific virus. Think of these as the Special Forces units, they can include certain antibody proteins that can neutralize a certain virus or t cells, different types of t cells can coordinate an attack on a specific virus or even kill it. Removes began searching for clues to how these responses play out against SARS covy to in the blood samples of a handful of patients patients who had been infected and recovered from mild cases of disease. Part of what we saw. That was really great. Is that we've saw? People made good immune responses both antibody responses in tesol responses to the spike protein. And the reason I say that this is good. News is the fact that the spike proteins the main part of the virus that the vaccines out there are targeting looking at immune response in the lab has limitations these are also small sample sizes, so it gave us the first steps. These first steps are launching scientists on a winding journey. Because here's some of the twists already, some people don't generate strong antibody response, but still seem to survive coronavirus just fine. Ramirez saw in all the samples. She studied that the virus. Certain T cell responses. Could this be a clue that this branch for our body special? Forces leads the successful attack I. Don't think it's black and white worry. DEVRIES researches immunology at Rasmusen Medical Center in the Netherlands debris has been following patients long term and recently worked on a study of samples from patients who were really sick with cove nineteen, the disease caused by SARS covy to some died. He saw those t cell immune responses in the lab from those samples. Samples, too, so that's what we have learned their major knee, so it means that these t-cells Tambi protective, but it could also be some kind of clue at St Cells. Maybe play a role in actually making disease worse at the states. We just don't know that is certainly one of the topics that we need to study further. Sometimes, these special forces can react sometimes their effectiveness depends on timing as in how quickly and robustly they can mobilize. The fires takes hold. Degrees Ramirez and others are also looking for clues about how previous exposures to other current viruses like the common cold might boost the immune response to SARS. covy to. Dr Suzie donaghy now Koren's immunology lab on Cova Nineteen at the University of Oxford in the UK. Her work is independent from the Oxford vaccine trial. I have been humbled so many times it back this fires, and so many things about these fires. have been surprising, Donna. He also thinks t cells could be really important and building up a protective immunity, but why some people get sick and others don't could depend on lots of other factors to. Doctors that are specific to what's happening in the immune responses at the site of infection like the lungs or the site of exposure like the knows, it might be that the all the germs up your nose. That's the microbiomes, other bacteria and viruses that NIP harmlessly up there. They might have an impact on whether this particular virus takes hold. Researchers are also looking for clues to immunity in each differences. What's different about kids? Immune responses compared to adults. And all these efforts, the big looming question is when people do get cove in nineteen and recover. How long will they immune to the disease? The next thing to find out is whether people get significant infection. Again wait. We need to wait and see still donahue and other say all these clues. They're collecting about immunity right now. A really important they can help better shape treatments, vaccine, development, and overall public health response for the World I'm Alana Gordon. Red Light green light those are the signals coming out of London today England will be giving the go-ahead to travelers who want to visit for more than fifty countries and territories Scotland and Wales however have yet to decide on a green or red light. They're skeptical, though about the timing of this move British prime. Minister Bars Johnson was in the hot seeded LBC a call in radio. Show I you know I think that it's. It's right that we should open up cautiously so here's the deal. People travelling to England from fifty nine different countries and territories will no longer have to go into quarantine for two weeks when they arrive. Arrive places on the green light list include Germany. Spain France and Italy as well as Turkey Japan Vietnam, but it's a red light for other places including the United States. We've made a huge effort as a country to get this virus under control, we cannot have reinfection from abroad overall. This marks a big shift for the last month. Anyone coming into the UK. Even citizens were to go and isolation for fourteen days. The change takes effect in a week on July tenth Britain's transportation secretary grant shops top it on the BBC this morning. It does mean that people have the opportunity perhaps to still get a summer holiday inn but. Not GonNa. Pretend to be an easy process. Just because England is giving the green light to travelers from certain countries does not mean those countries, governments are offering the same for example Englanders looking to vacation in France. They're looking at a yellow light, and will be advised to quarantine WANNA go to New Zealand. Nice try that country is not allowing anybody in one more thing you can do in England soon go to the Bar English. English pubs will reopen tomorrow after almost four months of lockdown police are urging people to be calm and be sensible, but with bars opening at six in the morning tomorrow for an occasion that's been dubbed Super Saturday. It's not clear that restrained behavior is on tap. Shall we say Gareth? Kerr is owner of cafe kick pub in Clerkenwell in London do think people are going to be common sensible when you open your doors tomorrow unlikely. To be honest. Really. So why are you opening a hazardous time? If it is as it is time I mean you. GotTa do stepping I think Saturday. In hindsight probably wasn't the wisest they for the opening thoughts. Yeah I mean we've sort of put lots and lots of steps in place you know obviously the public of got to be small, and they have to social distance themselves going to be self reliant, and so I'm hoping on. Everyone's hoping that people are sensible and realized that. That we don't want a second spike, but you never know we'll. How have you actually been preparing for tomorrow? Tables further apart barstools further apart that kind of everything everything. I mean trees with Michelle live when we show it with very low sounds, so that people don't shouts. have football machines Bossa. We kind of fight tie small because they in case the. People shouting. It's everything socially distanced the furniture sexually distance, so I just think that Saturday will be the all die I. think everyone's going to get mad on tomorrow and then I think you'll come down and ill will become sensible when as it should have been how the government probably intended it to be. How many people will you go into your at once and how you're going to keep tabs on that? Yeah, well. Well we'RE GONNA. Manage it from the front so that when I mean we've. We've put a a boss of Ella. Bar The the entrance, so we're going to so from that always street, but we also control the entry system. We have to take their name and details for track and trace, and then we. We just ask them to the table. There's no they don't have to stand at the bar. We've considered a law. To think about it. You know we're ready for the detail. You just mentioned though that you'll have to contact details of all the customers, so officials can contact them in the event of somebody testing positive. Are you going to do that? Yeah, yeah, we have to yeah. Yeah, no, that's all of the guidance yet. I mean that's GonNa make a very different experience I imagine it's going to be a different experience and. The public have to understand that this is a different time, and in order for them to be given this freedom, it comes with conditions, so a lot of England decided not to reopen tomorrow. They felt was soon. And also it's you know third choice. You decided to go ahead. Are you nervous about decision? I'm not that nervous. Because a lot of thought into A, we're lucky in into geographically on the way up. As we were market street as a pedestrian streets is a one entrance spa. We're able to control very very well internally. And externally. We've got to be of extra security. You know we're GONNA. Do it as well as anyone would do it. Gareth you're a businessman can make a profit. given that the numbers you can have in. Your bar will be limited. Chance. Now, we're not gonNA might profit. Ambition is just to make a positive contribution towards rent. So if I cover the stuff cost, and like any form of contribution towards Raines I'm in a better position than I was the day before yesterday. It? Really is a different time. I saw that there were police officers attacked in London last week after trying to break up an unlawful gathering. Are you concerned? The openings could start, and then there's a new surge, and then you'll be shut again. The I definitely. I mean it's not that I use knocks have a day to start it. Yet I mean absolutely it's possible. I mean I'm very experienced in what I do in terms of you know the environment I. Work in, so I you know all. Control it as well as I can, and I see trouble before trouble happened, so he's kind of is just being aware and being very hyper vigilant on on in terms of everything, so I'm hoping it goes issue us. Spoken like a good publican. Gareth, her owner of cafe kick pub in Clerkenwell in London. Good Luck Tomorrow I'm glad you'll be able to at least a taste of the good old days. Thank you very much? The pandemic has been stressful. Even people lucky enough to keep their jobs through all this have been feeling the pressure. That's why a town in Nova Scotia decided. Try something kind of radical to improve the work life balance. There were able to deal with those challenges a little bit easier, and they seem to be happy. You're at work. The story of that pandemic workplace experiment just ahead. You're listening to the world. I'm Marco. Werman, this is the world for many of you. Today's the start of a three day weekend. But what if that were the case? Every weekend sounds almost too utopian to be true. The four day workweek has been talked about for decades, but never really caught on the coronavirus pandemic overs getting a lot of people to rethink the way they work. One municipality northeastern Canada has even started to test out the four day workweek Anita. Has the story, guys. Borough County is on the northeastern side of Nova Scotia it's a rural area with a population of about five thousand. Municipal employees have always worked the traditional Monday to Friday five day week, but that changed in the corona lockdown began in March. Everybody was dealing with added stresses because of Covid Mary Carroll is the CEO of municipal government in guys borough in order to keep essential workers healthy. He says the municipality decided to be flexible about time off. They're able to deal with those challenges a little bit easier and they seem to be They were happier at work. Carroll says the staff didn't miss a beat. He put that down to a better. Better work life balance. So when the municipality reopened a couple of weeks ago, ditched tradition and the new four day week became official. People do have about understand. They're pretty happy having that extra day off. That's no surprise to Erica Carlton, who studies organizational behavior at the University of the schedule one. There is a a theory, called the happy productive worker hypothesis according to that theory, happier workers are more productive workers and one thing that makes them happy is working four days per week. They have more time away from work to recover from work. So that when they go back to work, they actually are better at doing their jobs. Companies around the world have tested and proven this idea just last year. Microsoft Japan tried out a four day WORKWEEK for the entire month of August. They found that workers were nearly forty percent more productive. British companies that have tried it say. Most of their staff was less stressed and took fewer sick days. With the four day week has never really been taken all that seriously, and until the pandemic happened Graham, Barlow, he understood why it does present a lot of scheduling, challenges and kind of generally fear. Barlow is the chief executive of a Tech Company based in Ottawa, called either soft. It's about to start testing its own version of a four day workweek. When the idea came up Barlow says his. His first thought was what happens if a crisis comes up what happens if you need to be on call? But when Barlow's team crunch the data, they found these sorts of crises almost never happen now. Employees will work remotely at least until next January and starting next week. He says the office will be closed on Fridays. There's some weird psychological barriers that people need to try and break through. That we have an opportunity right now to rethink work and rethink how companies are run and organized in guys, Borough Nova Scotia. Other employers in the area are keeping a close eye on the municipality's for day workweek Experiment Ingrid Nickerson runs the local co OP. Talking about it on the news I think How could we do that here? The grocery store? She says she's not sure if it could work, but she can see the benefits. Her husband, a mechanic at a nearby Corey recently convinced his boss to let him work compressed four day week now. If you're a homeowner, there's always stuff to do. There's always gonNA be mode and. Then, he's home to cook my supper to at least two nights a week. But, I'm working. That's a win win. Guys Borough CEO Berry, Carol tells me it's probably time to do things a little differently. After the four day workweek pilot project gets going. He's planning to bring in a team to assess if his staffers both healthier and more productive for the world I'm Anita. A landslide at a jade mine in northern. Myanmar has killed at least one hundred seventy people with more feared dead search and rescue efforts continued for a second day today authorities say a pile of mine waste slid into a lake after heavy rains that sent a wave of mud and water that buried dozens of people. In a video from the scene, a greenish wave of water floods down a hillside into a valley below workers who are not visible in the frame, or further down the hillside, fleeing for their laws Paul, Donna, Whitson, global witness and environmental and Human Rights Advocacy Group. He joins us from Washington I. It's jaw-dropping This Video Paul. It's hard to tell, but this seems really big. In the waves that resulted from this hillside of waste are enormous. It's scary to watch what happened. How common are these incidents? Unfortunately all too common we've seen. These types of incidents happened over the last several years with scores of miners dying results. My understanding is that the situation. Situation in this case is even worse than the mining. These were informal workers. Scavenging mining waste left behind by a larger mining company. Can you explain how this all works? So mining companies are granted licences to operate mines, and what happens is as they are digging out the stone where the data's is located, they're dumping the waste into these huge files which building building built into mountains, waste and you have tens to hundreds of thousands of people in former miners they're known locally as I must say now these informal miners are often Meiningen Gary perilous conditions with no protection and these rock piles can become unstable, and it's this like today will then have. The leader of Myanmar's government on songs CI pledged to clean up the industry when she assumed power back in two thousand sixteen. What is Mars? Government doing to regulate these mining operations? What's changed since Unsung Suci made that pledge well when the government took power on the first thing that they did to address, these issues was to suspend the issuance of new license or extension of existing licenses in an attempt to gain control. Control over a sector and to begin a reform process. Unfortunately, the fundamental problem in the Germany area is that there is no rule of law. The area is controlled by armed groups. Ofa Myanmar, military, as well as powerful ethnic armed groups and government back. Militias are all extorting minors illegally taxing you really have a lawless situation that despite the government's efforts to reform, the regulatory framework have not addressed some of the fundamental issues. UNSOWN SUCI commented on this disaster. She says joblessness is to blame, but doesn't sound like this is the new development as she's implying as we have seen an increase in dangerous mining practices since the licensing suspension, one of the prime reasons being as licenses are set to expire, companies are mining as fast as possible or when their licenses to expire, though then often partner up with companies still have active licenses and mine as fast as possible in those sites, so that creates a very dangerous condition. unsung searching is right that the informal minors they say are often from impoverished communities who come to the jade minds of. In Kitchen, state to try to strike it rich, unfortunately, that's a very rare occurrence and more commonly monitors. We'll get hooked on methamphetamine and other drugs and will not be able to survive. The experience of the jade industry is a driver of conflict. There is no doubt about it in the revenues that it earns to conflict. Actors are key in their ability to sustain their activities, so there's no doubt that there is a real linked to conflict in Jay. Paul Donna with me and Mark Campaign leader at Global Witness speaking with us from Washington. Thank you very much, thank you. Did you miss something on the world this week. Well, you may never know unless you subscribe to the world's latest edition podcast. Take us with you wherever you go this weekend. Stay current with all of our coverage. Find us in your favorite podcast APP or at the world dot org slash podcast. You're listening to the world. Anyone in Hong Kong. Speaking up against Chinese rule might WANNA think again. A new national security law went into effect this week. My advice of courses to stay well away from. Don't pass the law simply because the consequences are are going to be great that stores coming right up here on the world. I'm Marco Werman. This is the world where a CO production of W. G. B. H. BOSTON NPR ex China move quickly this week to implement a harsh new security law in Hong Kong critics say the law destroys the One Country Two systems concept that Beijing agreed to a nineteen hundred seven. That's when Great Britain handed Hong. Kong over to China. Free speech has long been a core value in the semi-autonomous territory, but as the world's. Patrick win reports. The new security law means there are now of things you just can't say anymore in Hong Kong, unless you WanNa risk going to prison. Liberate Hong Kong shouting the Revolution of our times. Everyone in Hong Kong has heard this. It's the go-to chant for this Popular Movement to. Liberate Hong Kong at least from Beijing's authoritarian rules, but wait liberate Hong Kong, which is part of China is saying that against the law. Here's Diamond Yung a Hong Kong legal scholar. You use these terms. It might well be regarded as an intention to succeed yet. Hong Kong officials just put out a warning that said exactly that an under this new security law imposed by China's Communist. Party, getting found guilty of inciting secession is really bad. You could get hit with a minimum three year prison term. Case, if they think you're really plotting for independence, even peacefully ten years to life in prison, this is rather shocking for us to see that our courts are going to have to in very serious cases that order a minimum sense of ten years imprisonment right and their hands are bound regardless of the circumstances. Here's how Hong Kong's beijing-backed leader. Carrie Lam describes the law then just nation aims to prevent carp and punish acts of the station subversion of state power. Power characteristic to the these and collusion with foreign or external forces. Okay, secession terrorism. Most countries try to stop that, but this new law. It's not really about stopping rebels with bombs. It targets people for having the wrong opinion. If the government decides, you are inciting secession. Young says you're in big trouble. Here's Carrie Lam again. Saying that the law will go after protesters who have radicalized young people to desecrate and burn the national flag vandalized the national anthem okay. Of things here, burning China's flag, they really hate that and vandalizing the national anthem. That seems to mean something like this. Hong Kong protesters dislike of China is so strong that they wrote this song Hong Kong anthem, which they seeing instead of China's national anthem. Now that may be punishable under this law again here's attorney Simon. Young where you might get caught of courses incitement. Right singing a song like that, is it capable of inciting someone to the committing the crime of secession could be, he says the problem is, you can say I. Don't want secession. I just want free elections, but again the final arbiter might be Communist Party. They won't catch everyone, but it's risky. Oh. My advice of course is to stay well away from it. Don't test the law simply because the consequences are going to be great now, a fringe group of protesters, they sometimes seeing a different anthem on the rob pass. Does that amount to the crime of collusion with foreign powers. possibly. Some Hongkongers will drape themselves in US flags and ask for support from politicians, and sometimes it works. The law is a brutal sweeping crackdown against the people of Hong. Kong intended to destroy the freedoms. They were promised, but no matter what Nancy Pelosi Says Carrie. Lam is making it clear that there's a red line if Hongkongers invite foreign governments to interfere in Hong Kong's affairs or even to impose sanctions on Hong Kong, no central government could turn a blind eye to such threats to sovereignty meaning. If you say Hey America, please sanction China. They can definitely get you for that. Most of these national security crimes will be handled in Hong Kong by Hong Kong courts under guidance from Beijing, but if Chinese officials really don't like someone, they can decide to prosecute them in mainland China again you're Simon Young. Will someone just be arrested the night and whisked away across the border in a matter of a couple of hours We don't know that there's a lot of uncertainty there. That's why it's a bit scary. Despite the new law, some Hongkongers are still going out. Protester police arrested more than four hundred people this week. Many Hongkongers are frantically deleting tweets deleting messages on their phone, and by the way. If you've gone online to say anything that might be construed as promoting Hong Kong independence. Be careful about visiting. You also may have incited a Hong Konger to rise up if you tweeted. That is a message sent to the whole world basically, and we know that this applies extra-territorially to anyone anyone. The law is very clear that everyone on earth is subject to it, and if you come to Hong Kong, you can face arrest to for the world. I'm Patrick win. In Ethiopia, the killing of popular musician, a Chandan Desa has triggered widespread protests across the country this week. More than eighty people have died, and Desa was a powerful political voice for the Oromo ethnic group. His death earlier this week is just the latest in nearly a year of troubling developments in Ethiopia and have become a rallying cry for the opposition to speak out against Prime, minister. Minister IBM ID. Ida Sue Russia to is a fellow at the brookings. Institution joins us from Washington. Let's start with the death of the singer a childhood Desa it's drawn the attention of the world to wider problems, Anythi Opio. Why did indesit killing spark such huge protests, but also seen as a symbol of resistance against oppression among the are most one of the largest ethnic groups it. So he's days him still have longer than frustrated. A lost people on the clash between communities on the with security forces us a song so very hunting unifying normal people. Protest started in two thousand fifteen protests actually help it bringing up primary yarmuth off his senior slater into an eighteen songs. You came on anthem for the protesters which help galvanized the movement. So That's interesting. The Oromo people actually had a big hand in bringing IBM it to power. So, what are their grievances today? So the demands of the people are many some of them are shared by other people on some others are not wanting. Major point is on economic issue, opportunities immediate in two thousand fifteen. Or more live around these Saba and the I was going so radical transformation of a few case. Or mostly displaced by our government many results, recieving sufficient compensation, but also our playing role as well because onto very simply what is called freedom was quite surprised to European. There was not a presentation there, nope. non automating groups seem to be dominating landscape on. There are also historical reasons. Created a sense of injustice reinforce existing become political partners. So in addition to Oromo people helping Prime Minister Ahmed, be elected, abiomed bothers, also Ohio. So why hasn't the Prime Minister Been Able to address? The concerns of these people are indeed are Yemenite Advice Lozano oral a has been part of or party so I probably tried to. The coast of considering Oracle's icon reasons why he might have hobbies been successful while these ads on the reasons, complex and time taken. If you take the because of economic inequality for example. Breaking inclusive oldest is summed up following them. Suit takes a lot of time, but a hobby has been in power for about two years. Secondly second is also. The county, some of your. Own! Clash against the positive people or almost dimond greater representation greater power in south about. This also fear against Jim. How is the government reacting to the unrest this week? I'll be has been reluctant about taking cover makers onto these time around actually gone as their extreme in to convert radical measures, including detaining major opposing politicians, also a closed down a lot of TV channels manage them around by whole chain parties of different ethnic groups. Has Share of the Internet's not to communicate by twitter on has the task from the local voices, so this changes are more radical passed on its burkinshaw more. Right and that is a change that we've seen this past week and we'll have to see it against the backdrop of other deeply entrenched in Ethiopia If we go back to last fall, the international community celebrated the Prime Minister with Bell Peace, prize, and since then attempted coup journalists arrested the Internet shutdown repeatedly this week, just the latest, and now this unrest with the singer popular with the people killed I mean just what's going on? Can you help us understand it? I mean it's your is going through a radical. Tremendous. Challenge on if you remember at the time of hobby coming to. going on a lot of displacement mental. It was happening was no stop. Not many people also died in the process. So this to me looks like racial. Stop of change on. You can only hope Dialogue and openness and discussions inks will log settle down. I do a Lotta to global economy and Development Fellow at the Brookings Institution. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. In western China, nonstop surveillance and mass detention are still the norm for hundreds of thousands of weavers. Beijing's crackdown on the Muslim ethnic minority began several years ago, but recent studies show that the Chinese government is also trying to systematically reduce the birth rates of its weaker population. How that's happening through force, birth, control and sterilization in some areas with a high wiegert population birth rates dropped by more than sixty percent from two thousand, fifteen to twenty, eighteen to give some context is University of Michigan Professor Alexandra Stern. She Studies History Culture and reproductive rights. What stands out to you in these reports coming from Xinjiang? On the one hand there are similarities with other instances of sterilization, abuse and state run campaigns for reproductive control. For example there are similarities with the Fujimori led sterilization campaigns in Peru in the late twentieth century, and other also resonances with the forced sterilizations that occurred in the United States as recently as twenty ten. What stands out though about what's happening with the wheat? Ours is the multipronged reproductive control that the state is implementing with encompasses forced abortions sterilizations. Ud's and other forms of birth control all connected to what appears to be massive detainment and incarceration, so there's kind of multiple layers of human rights abuses. China's government statistics the state documents and interviews with detainees show that this is a carefully crafted campaign against workers, and what's the scale of this? This scale is monumental. I mean in terms of both a broader history of four sterilization and reproductive injustice. And in terms of being campaign that has a strong component of Islamaphobia and on his part of a nation building project bits significant both internationally, and also in the context of China, which has a long history of engaging in population control projects on its majority and minority populations. You mentioned the various measures that are being used like four sterilization and abortion. So what are the long term health consequences of this on the people, obviously mostly women who are subjected to it. Unfortunately I don't have much information on some of the clinical aftermaths of these procedures. However, we can say that it's very unlikely that any of these women are being tracked to look at post operative outcomes or that they are being given anything. You know that we would call 'em systematic quality healthcare, so that's one issue is that reproductive-health always needs to be incorporated into broader. Health, so, that doesn't appear to be happening, and then finally there is the mental health component of this, which is one of the aspects of sterilization abuse. That I've studied in the US context where women who are forced to undergo sterilization experience. You know really unpleasant mixture of shame and regrets and fear and anxiety and I cannot imagine that some of the women who've been subjected to this and in northern China are in the same circumstances. Generally Alexander. Would you qualify reproductive control of a minority population genocide? And what would you say about in this particular case? Well if we look at the international legal definition of genocide as an attempt to significantly reduce or stop the possibility of procreation of a particular population than it does meet that criteria, this is a concerted effort to control and to reduce the population of racial and religious minority in significant numbers. Does the UN or the International Criminal Court? Have any authority over this. I'm not sure what legal authority they have. In the past similar instances of sterilization abuse have resulted in cases being brought to international courts such as in the case of Peru where a case was brought before the Inter American court and I would suspect something similar is underway with reproductive rights, advocates, international NGOs and other entities that are representing this marginalized population in northern China, and certainly this evidence will be really instrumental in building a case to demonstrate how these abuses are. Alexandra Stern Studies history culture and reproductive rights at the University of Michigan. Thank you very much for being with us. Thank you. If you're feeling now about packing up grabbing your passport and traveling abroad. You're not alone. One of Taiwan's airports has an innovative remedy for what ails you. Song Airport in Taipei received sixty eager travellers on Thursday for a half day. Fake travel experience. To Cairo houses. These, intrepid daytrippers showed up to check in. They went through passport, control and security taking selfies along the way as you do. Then they boarded a China Airlines, a three thirty passenger jet their destination nowhere. They just sat there on the tarmac. Enjoy the view of the jetway and then deplaned. The people in this little group are the lucky ones. Though close to seven thousand wannabe international travelers applied to take part in the trip. Trip to nowhere the experience is being offered by the airport to show off the renovations and health prevention measures taken to protect travelers Taiwan. Lockdown borders in March due to concerns over the coronavirus pandemic, it has reported fewer than five hundred cases in seven deaths, domestic travel in Taiwan is booming right now, but for people craving international travel to more groups of lucky winners will have their mock travel experience in the coming days. The Republic of Djibouti is easy to find on a map. Go to the northeast corner of Africa, it Tucks into Ethiopia. Right on the Gulf of Aden, facing the Arabian Peninsula Djibouti is also a neighbor of Somalia, and was once known as French Somaliland, the country independence from France forty three years ago, but only now in twenty twenty has abandoned in Djibouti recorded and released music for a global audience. If you know the music of the eastern corner of Africa, you may hear some similarities here, but the album points to a genre that is really its own thing. The sound Djiboutians can claim their own. The album is called the dancing. Devils of Djibouti Vicks Mahoney Co produced the record. He's also the founder of Austin. NATO records the label that released it. Vic joins us from Bangkok. Thanks for being with us to the first record ever to come out of Djibouti. Really Yeah, that's actually the case. Because if you look boots, very young country got its independence in nineteen, seventy seven, and they've been governed largely by one party since and that party believed for various reasons being a young country that music should fall under the domain of the state. It should be a public. And so from independence, until now it's really been only the government and the state, and all the cultural state institutions that have finance supported and propped up music, and if you wanted to record music in Djibouti there was only one studio you could do it, which was at the National Radio's studio and the entirety of Djibouti's. Entire recorded output of music over these past forty three years is just sitting in the Djibouti National Radio Archives. It's never been. Packaged for commercial global release so just to be clear. The dancing devils of booty. This is a new recording. This is not archive material. No it's not. They are a national ban. They are the national radio band, but their primary job is to perform for dignitaries when they visit. They perform when they're walking down the stairs. When they arrive at the airport they perform a presidential ceremonies cultural holidays. They're very much the national band all star Band, that is a mix of the best older, legendary, very beloved musicians, as well as new young talent that they've been able to Scout, but no, it's not an archival recording, although they draw greatly from the recordings that are sitting in that archive. I gotta stay for the first record ever from Djibouti it's like an instant classic. It's just a wonderful group. Great Sound. They don't sound like a formal band playing. You know presidential ceremonies and stuff. That's their on duty job. That's the job that they're paid for, but you know. When we came across them, they were just casually jamming a when we came across them in two thousand sixteen, and when we were introduced to them, they were introduced as the national ceremony band, and we were expecting something of a national anthem, coarser orchestra something of that nature, but very quickly realized that when they're off duty off work, and they're sitting and hanging around and jamming. They are not playing national ceremony music. They are doing. What they do best, which is taking you know the essence of duties, calls and politics, musical sound, and just reviving and modernizing it and adding their own lovely touch tool. Only. One I mentioned in introducing you that. The music of Djibouti is influenced by the music of neighboring Somalia but there's a lot more to this music than Djibouti's neighbor is in there. Yes for sure I mean Djibouti. People have to understand have been on has has historically been on a very strategic trade route. It's partially why the United States amongst other big powers have military bases there because so much trade passes through Djibouti. And you know that trade has been going on for centuries and cultures from Asia from the middle. East from elsewhere of all had to pass through there. If you WANNA move anything from Asia to Europe you have to or vice versa you have to pass. The straight that Djibouti sits on, so they've been influenced by a great deal of cultures. East and West but also in their immediate independence era when the national radio was. The sole broadcaster there were three genres of music in particular that really inspired the band and you can hear all of these. The guitarist who plays those offbeat licks? He was telling us how much he grew up. Listening to Jamaican reggae the saxophone is who is really the star of the band. He grew up on a steady diet of American jazz and he would always point to the Harlem. Jazz era is the period of infatuation that he was. that. He studied and grew up with and the singers. They spoke greatly about India's influence on on Djibouti the influence of Bollywood, and and the vocal style of Bollywood that they would listen to that they would learn from to be able to adapt and. Know diversify their vocal repertoire so. Djibouti might seem like a small country on the fringes, but for very long time it's really been at the center of so much cultural. Mixing and so much of You know it's been so central to so much. It's been happening in the world. Pope. So Vic with travel tours and things more or less still because of the pandemic. What is it like releasing a debut album with this kind of profile in the midst of a pandemic, and are we going to be hearing more music from Djibouti? Yes for sure. No, it's. It's a sad tale because you know we. The idea was to release them, and then have them touring by the summer, but of course that was not. That's not possible anymore. I mean we're still aiming for December. That might be optimistic. We hope things get better. We want more music from Djibouti to come out. You know the government authorities who have been. Monitoring released are very happy with the response. So you know, everyone's behind more music coming out of the country, but there's more important things. I think right now than touring but I hope one day we're back to concerts and live shows and being shoulder to shoulder enjoying music. Yeah, I do too hope we can see the ban live sometime in the near future. That'd be great. vicks Mahoney co-produce the new album. The dancing devils of Djibouti by group Rtd what great stuff and that's going to do it as we kick off our July fourth weekend. We even know anymore facility again anyway on turning the weekend into a vacation, so I'll see you all in a couple of weeks. Carol Hills will be with you in the meantime. World comes to you from the non and Bill Harra studio at W., G. B. H. in Boston I'm Marco Werman and stay safe. Stay strong. 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840: It's Only Money by Craig Stephens of Retire Before Dad on Building Financial Security
"This is optimal finance daily episode eight forty. It's only money by Craig Stevens of retire before dad dot com. And I am, Dan. I'm your hosts happy Friday to you. Hope you've had a great week and I've got a new author and new website today. The site is retire before dad dot com, and we got to meet Craig Finn con- this year, and he's got a bunch of helpful articles on his site, including some great reviews and resources. So check it out at retire before dad dot com, and with that let's hear our first post from Craig and start. Optimizing your life. It's only money by Craig Stevens of retire before dad dot com. Every week I write about money, sometimes in a roundabout way. But ultimately, this website is about growing wealth by making better financial decisions life is not about money, but money can help us live, a better life when you're living paycheck to paycheck, unexpected expenses can be extremely stressful. The news of a major home repair or car problem can be serious punch in the gut when you're just trying to get by it hurts when you're aggressively building wealth, or living off your savings to. That's why it's good practice to prepare for financial calamities by building an emergency fund. In addition to proper insurance coverage. But as hurtful and stressful as a big expense may be, it's only money. It's not a threat to life for health and doesn't need to threaten relationships or true happiness. Those are the things that really matter lunch with a pseudo mentor, the title of this post comes from a conversation. I had years ago with a former manager this person was perfectly situated to be a mentor, but I disagreed with him about how to conduct business. At many stages of our relationship because of this. I never considered him a mentor. I learned from his mistakes more than successes. Things were always going wrong, and he would often consider himself the victim. The mistakes were usually in the form of trusting people without a legal agreement, trusting without verifying or assuming some business would commence that was never finalized one day during lunch. He told me that a project suffered a large contract loss. The loss was a major blow to revenue when I realized the gravity of this loss. I said something like that sucks. I assume that someone had screwed him again, and was about to hear another tale of woe, but instead his response took me by surprise. He said, it's only money and that was that he was over it. He may have taken that line from an old movie. Turns out he was having a difficult year with family health problems. The blip in the business road wasn't nearly as devastating as what he was dealing with outside of work, money wasn't important to him at that particular moment. Life went on why I'm increasing. Emergency fund recent events have convinced me that I need to increase the amount in my money market account. The interest rate for my new high yield savings account is now above two percent. So I was planning to increase it somewhat anyways. But more importantly, I've realized that I don't have enough cash available to pay for a major home repair. We've been lucky for the past seven years at both our home and rental property, no major repairs aside, from some brickwork. I used to think about my emergency fund as a backstop in case. I lost my job. This was tested late last year and a use the fund to keep us afloat. But my parents recently had to back to back, costly home repairs that changed my thinking if something similar would happen to us we'd have to borrow from other sources at my parents house, the plumbing that takes the wastewater out of the house had a major clog in the basement from decades of use the plumbers had to bring in the jackhammer dig up the basement floor and a whole outside the house to replace the pipe. It was a big messy job and expensive insurance will cover some of the repairs, but it's going to hit. My parents emergency fund hard, then two weeks ago after the plumbing problems, a seventy foot tree fell from a neighbor's yard toppled a significant tree in my parents yard like a domino. Then down some big branches from the neighbor's. Tree crushed defense. Then snapped an old telephone pole with a basketball hoop on it. All on a calm and sunny day, the description and pictures, don't do it Justice. They tell me thankfully, my dad wasn't mowing at the time. Now there's a huge mess. It's going to take a ton of manual labor to remove all the wood. Then hollowed out of the yard. It's down a big hill. Difficult to get to street level, that's going to cost a decent chunk to my parents have the cash on hand, but we would not be able to cover both problems if they happened concurrently for us. Our properties are newer, my parents home was built in nineteen forties. But the events still make me want to have more financial control over the next calamitous home repair. As of today are liquid reserves are insufficient savings, segmentation, not long ago, I wrote about how to manage excess cash. Flo. When income outpaces expenses for the month, I segment our savings into different pools of occasion, fund a car savings fund as a result of swearing off car payments, and our general fund, which also serves as the emergency fund combined, these funds should be able to cover any major home repairs, when push comes to shove, but that would defeat the purpose of allocating money for specific purposes. The vacation fund were building is already budgeted for a family trip next year. The car fund is still growing, so I can buy a brand new car in for years or so what I think needs to happen. And this is just becoming apparent as I write this is I need to create a separate segmentation for emergency savings. Then load that up to a certain level three to six months expenses, plus and use the general savings fund, almost exclusively for investing the dilemma, I face is that my overall cash holdings will be much larger than today, usually I want to use most of that to build income streams, but I guess I'm becoming more risk averse in my forties. The other downside is while I. Build up the emergency fund less money will be available to invest having a high yield money market account at my disposal, alleviates, this dilemma, somewhat because Al earn a return on par with some of my dividend growth stocks, though without the capital appreciation or risk. But I'm not ready to stop investing new capital in order to build the fund more rapidly. So I'll be gradually increasing our cash pool until meeting, a to be determined arbitrary level of cash where I'm comfortable. It's only money one reader recently called a post of mine philosophical, I get annoyed. When bloggers get to philosophical. So I try to avoid that when I can. But I write so much that sometimes I can't help. But go in that direction and I'm about to again spending so much time thinking about and writing about money can make a person seem pretentious. I hope I don't come across that way. I see money as a tool to build the life, you want, not as a way to impress people, acquire fancy stuff or go to fancy places. Smart money. Decisions are a result of knowledge knowledge. Is gained through reading and thinking good decisions will lead you down the path, you want over time. But none of that is as important as your health, the health of your loved ones, and the relationships life events and adventures that bring you happiness. Sometimes that message is lost behind trying to count, an analyze every penny that goes in and out of our pockets, but health relationships and the activities that bring you mental wellness are the main drivers that should be leading the important decisions in our lives, not money stuff, you just listened to the post titled, it's only money by Craig Stevens of retire before dad dot com. And thank you so much to Craig for granting us permission to read his content and definitely come by his sight to show, your support again. That's retire before dad dot com. There's a lot of great info there, including reviews resources, a bunch, more articles and much more. And of course, be bringing you more posts from Craig in the near future. So. Oh, that's a wrap for today and for this week here at optimal finance daily have yourself a great weekend, and I'll see you back here on Monday where your optimal life awaits. Hello. 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1295: A Healthy Reminder That Stocks Don't Always Go Up by Craig Stephens of Retire Before Dad on Investment Advice
"This is optimal financed daily episode twelve, Ninety five a healthy reminder that stocks don't always go up by Craig Stevens of retire before Dad dot com and welcome to optimal finance daily. My name is Dan. I'm here every single day reading to you from some of the best personal finance blogs on the planet and I wish you a very happy Friday. Hope you've had a great week so far, and of course as always. Thank you so much for being here with me and hey, if he didn't know we give away books on instagram pretty frequently lately, we've been doing it every Friday. So there's a good chance. We've got another one up right now if you're not following us there yet on Instagram, you can find us at old podcast but for now, let's not waste any time and get right to today's financial post as we optimize your life. Sign. A healthy reminder that stocks don't always go up by Craig Stevens retire before Dad Dot. com. Bull markets are glorious because they make just about everyone participating feel like they're a genius investor until the markets reverse and you lose money sometimes a lot of money. Then you feel like as you watch your net worth plummet. This month, we've seen some long awaited volatility return to the stock market's after fifteen straight months of steady positive gains. February. Arrived with a welcome correction. A correction is Wall Street jargon for down ten percent not to be confused with an official bear market, which is when markets are down twenty percent peak to trough. There's some more jargon for you the S. and P. Five hundred was down eleven point eight percent from its January twenty sixth ties to the February sixth lows. Since I'm still relatively young and my investment horizon is decades long I'm usually happy to. SEE The stock market decline lower prices mean higher yields to help build income streams and earn better total returns over the long haul. I've had some cash on hand in a retirement account because I transferred money out of my previous employers 401k plan into an IRA. This decline was a good opportunity to put some of that money to work in index funds since I didn't invest it all immediately after the transfer. These investments won't impact my taxable income portfolio since I haven't had a paycheck in more than four months there's still not much to invest but now that I'm back to work I hope to start investing more aggressively for dividends again soon. Fall and rise. The stock market tends to fall quickly and rise more slowly as David Gardner of the Motley Fool tweeted and mentioned on his podcast. Recently, stocks always go down faster than they go up, but they always go up more than they go down. When stocks fall quickly, the headlines are always sensational. The other day I saw multiple news sources reporting. This was the largest point drop in the of the Dow Jones Industrial Average though true that sounds scary too many ordinary investors as a percentage it was only down four point six percent not a good day but far from being historically significant. This recent fall in stocks was followed by swift rebound. So we didn't have much time to perfectly by the dip probably because everybody else was buying the dip since the fundamentals of the economy seemed to be sound unemployment is low corporations got a giant tax cut inflation is tame for now though CPI is starting to make people nervous. Now, that volatility is here, there's a good chance. It'll stay awhile as the markets digest economic data. In case, there's another swift decline. It doesn't hurt to keep some cash on hand that doesn't mean to sell stocks today to build up your cash reserves. It just means if you have cash in an account or your monthly cash flow is Rockin, it's Not. A bad idea to speculate that the market will decline below today's level again and to be ready for it. Now, some people might call that timing the market and scold you for it but as long as it's a small portion of your assets waiting for better prices is another way to add speculation to your overall portfolio if you can pick up. Ten percent or twenty percent or more below the market highs. It's easy money when the market inevitably recovers the only downside risk to that kind of speculation is lack of gains. Yet. Another oft repeated buffet quote Tila Straight appoint. UNLESS, you've hired an advisor or subscribed to a stock newsletter. You're on your own to make investment decisions. There's a ton of information out there but processing it into by or orders takes time and due diligence for many investors. It's not worth the effort that's why passably investing in index funds and ETF's has become so popular, you get market returns for doing very little work. It's the smart money move that could be preventing us from becoming rich. I've seen a lot of new investors become vocal advocates for pure index investing. They've made great returns in the bull market run since the March two, thousand, nine bottom. So of stock pickers, but bull market returns should not be mistaken for making smart individual investments. A rising tide lifts all boats nearly everyone investing in stocks during a bull market does well, the only ones who aren't are the people who don't invest in that's about half the population. Down markets on the other hand or where the decisions of individual investors can make a big impact on long term gains, they can make costly errors like selling you the bottom or turbo charge their long-term returns by buying near the bottom. You'll never by the exact bottom that's okay within a day or two of the bottom is still good. Since stocks always full faster it's a shock to the system and individuals. The sharp falls combined with the media hysterics, and the sudden depletion of wealth can make people do funny things even though everyone knows lower stock prices means you should hold what you have and buy more many investors do not. They sell despite the famous Warren Buffett quote be fearful when others are greedy and greedy when others are fearful. But when scary market volatility arrives few, have the cash ready to buy at the lowes. That's a downside of always being fully invested. Buffet has the money. People sell in down markets for lots of reasons fear is a big one to preserve capital is another or to take tax loss a euphemism for buying high and selling low. This market hasn't been a straight shot up since two thousand nine. It's been difficult at times and can get a lot worse but over the last few years, especially, the past fifteen months until late January investing in stocks says felt like easy money. About a year ago, my young co workers were bragging about winning trades they made on the Robin Hood App I. Prefer M. One finance, which is also free up until this month, they were still bragging however, this recent selloff is a healthy reminder that investing does get more difficult that said, if we reach new highs again soon, and the last few days we've been going in that direction investors will quickly forget about last week's dip and investing will seem easy again until it gets worse. I will now look into my crystal ball and tell you exactly when it will get worse. This section left intentionally blank. Conclusion. The moral of this blog post is as follows corrections and bear markets are great for long-term investors be happy we had one. It's okay to not be fully invested all the time have some cash on hand for the next downturn buffet always does you'll never buy at the exact bottom within a few days of the bottom is still really good. Investing gets harder than this. Seemingly healthy companies can go two zero. Is Fall thirty percent or forty percent or more. Don't invest in stocks if you. CAN'T AFFORD TO LOSE money. Keep the long-term in mind when the market tumbles. Smile and buy some more remember it can always fall further. You listen to the post titled a healthy reminder that stocks don't go up by Craig Stevens of retire before Dad Dot Com. And a real quick thanks to anchor for hosting. This podcast anchor is the easiest way to make a podcast. They'll distribute your podcast for you. So it can be heard everywhere spotify podcast, Google podcasts, and many more. You can easily make money from your podcast to no minimum. listenership anchor gives you everything you need in one place for free, which you can use right from your phone or computer creation tools allow you to record and edit your podcast. So it sounds great download the anchor APP or go to Anchor Dot FM to get started. And that's going to do it for today. 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870: Is Retirement Age the Wrong Goal? by Craig Stephens of Retire Before Dad on Retiring Early & Financial Independence
"This is optimal finance daily episode. Eight seventy is retirement age, the wrong goal by Craig Stevens of retire before, dad dot com. And I am, Dan. I'm your host here on the show and welcome to the Friday edition of optimal finance daily where I read to you from some of the best personal finance blogs on the planet before we get going with our final post to the week. I wanna thank fundraise for their support their frequently mentioned as a recommended tool in the blogs that I narrate here and for really good reason fundraise enables, you to instantly access high quality, high potential private market real estate projects from high rises in DC to multifamily apartments in L A, and each real estate project is carefully vetted, and actively managed by fund rises team of real estate pros fund rise is the future of real estate investing so visit fund rise dot com slash oh. F t that's F. U. N. D. R. I S, E dot com slash FT to have your first three months of fees. Wave. For now. Let's get right to our post as we start, optimizing your life. Is retirement age, the wrong goal by Craig Stevens of retire before dad dot com. I named this blog based on a goal I set back in two thousand two to retire at age fifty five one year before the age, my dad retired the objective drives, many of my financial decisions it has all the markings of a smart goal specific measurable, achievable relevant and time bound, but now that I'm older and think more critically about money and family. I have started to question whether retirement age is the right goal several factors have led me to rethink the logic seventeen years later retirement, define I've always thought of my goal in terms of traditional retirement, that is to withdraw from active working life. The day. My dad retired was the last day he ever earned money from job. You could say he's my retirement role model sometime before I turned fifty six I'll stop working forever to. That's still the current plan, at least, but the word retirement can be interpreted in other ways one can retire from career, but not stop working for money. For example, an NFL star that retires from play. It becomes a commentator. I could declare myself retired from my career at age fifty five or any age really whether I'm fully prepared to retire or not, then keep working on something else that I'm more passionate about during a living, even though I wouldn't need the money since I already retired. I say this ingest. If you read a lot of early retirement blogs, this may sound familiar at this stage, in my savings journey, I expect to exit fulltime work at or before age fifty five, especially the kind of work that involves a commute or firm weekly time commitment, but I do enjoy entrepreneurial work when it's at my own pace, and I may want to continue that kind of work in semi retirement, perhaps, before age fifty five or after since I have a business now this is more likely than it was a decade ago. Then again, I'm not all that ambition. When I have enough money laziness might kick in a better retirement goal may be to retire when I'm good and ready without a specific. Target family demography we've committed to paying four years of. In-state undergrad. Jewett college tuition for all three of our children. The year I turned fifty five our oldest child will start his freshman year. If I retire in the same year we must save everything we need to pay for college before. Then that fact alone makes me question my retirement goal. If all three kids, follow a traditional four year college path, they won't be fully graduated until I'm sixty three which is about the average retirement age considering the expected cost of a four year in state college education for the class of twenty thirty seven I am terrified by the numbers working through that year to cash flow. Education costs makes a lot of sense unless we can sufficiently build our five twenty nine accounts and supplemental income streams well ahead of time retiring before our kids finished college could put our long term retirement security at risk, I've aggressively saved for college since each kid received their social security card, but it's still a track when we're done paying for college seems like a safer retirement goal. Considering are substantial financial committee. -ment education travel considerations, the whole point of setting a retirement age goal was to free. My time for extended periods of travel after fourteen months of backpacking, the world, I had no idea if or at what age I'd begin and stop reproducing new humans my youngest won't graduate high school until I'm fifty nine. So the idea of traveling for several months of the year before, then doesn't make a lot of sense. Our daughter will need to finish high school and go to college before we can even think about leaving for any extended periods assuming our kids all follow a traditional college path, we can still take adventurous summer vacations with the family from now until college. But the extensive retirement travel, I envisioned when I was twenty seven years old will likely have to wait until I'm sixty when we become empty nesters alternative measures, instead of retirement age, if retirement age isn't the right goal? What is a random number shortly after the dot com bust in the year two thousand a co worker told me that if he ever got back to having? Two hundred thousand dollars in retirement savings, again, he'd retire. I don't know how we came up with that number. It seemed a bit low and completely out of the blue but he lived a simple life outside of work and could probably have made retirement work on that amount. He lived in a paid for manufactured three bedroom home in an over fifty five community in Florida. He traveled for work and kept his expenses, low his wife, worked his idea of splurging was to buy a cold beer that didn't come in a can or an occasional frontal to my knowledge. He worked at least another decade, well into the great recession eventually he did retire. But I'd guess that he saved well over the two hundred K goal. He declared in the year two thousand there's nothing wrong with modifying goals. We should all keep an open mind. About the goals we pursue financial independence because of all the nuance around the word retirement. The term financial independence is often a favourite financial goal rather than retirement age financial independence, is when you have enough savings or passive income streams to support your desired lifestyle in purpose. Luethi your so-called F. I number is calculated by estimating your annual spending and multiplying it by twenty five then aim to save that amount in cash and invested assets aiming for the F I number is a specific measurable, achievable relevant and time bound goal to the only concern I have with this goal is, if asset growth is mostly a result of market returns. The market can retract and the goal could become unachieved, and that would suck if I retire at age fifty five no market tumble can take that away from me net worth net worth is an easy number to calculate, which makes it a good candidate for setting measurable goals. It takes just four steps to calculate net worth, or you can cheat and use an automated daily NetWorth calculator net worth includes the value of your primary. Home, your cars businesses, and your other assets using the F I number is a preferred measure, because it requires a higher liquid savings target and the money is more accessible for living expenses. My net worth goal would probably be somewhere around two to two point five million with the stipulation that it must remain above the goal amount for a year or two before officially declaring victory market, corrections, have scary impact on retirement account. Savings conclusion I've been a student of finance and investing for my entire adult life. This is what I do for fun on Saturday nights, but perhaps I placed too much focus on this one financial goal. Maybe I'm shallow then again, I don't want to buy a sweet new sports car with all the money I earn and grow freedom is my tesla. Instead I could focus on more noble purposes like helping others donating to good causes and working to make my community and the world better place for now. I remain focused on being able to retire before I turned fifty six hoping that I become securely financially independent. Well before then, and that point can either set more meaningful goals or peacefully enjoy life without the constant nag of trying to achieve something difficult. You just listen to the post titled is retirement age, the wrong goal by Craig Stevens of retire before dad dot com. And thank you again to fund rise for their support fundraisers, frequently mentioned in articles from our authors, right here on the show because it's a great tool. Come by fundraise dot com slash left. E to get your first three months free. Private market real estate has historically provided excellent ongoing cash flow, even as it supports long-term growth, private market assets. 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1239: Investing vs. Gambling - What's the Difference? by Craig Stephens of Retire Before Dad on Investing for Retirement
"This is optimal finance daily episode, twelve, thirty, nine, investing versus gambling. What's the difference by Craig Stevens of retire before Dad Dot, com and I am your host and Narrator Huron Optimal Finance daily I'm Dan and welcome back. This is where I read to you from some of the best personal finance blogs on the planet and today 'cause it's Friday I'm GonNa keep this intro Nice and short for you. So let's get right to the post says we optimize your life. Investing versus gambling. What's the difference by Craig Stevens of retire before Dad Dot Com. In my mid teens, I went to Atlantic City with my family for an evening on the boardwalk I was deeply interested in money for someone my age. So the idea of gambling was intriguing to say the least of course you must be over the age of twenty one to enter the casino floor in Atlantic City but kids are allowed inside the hotels we entered one of. The glitzy hotels owned by a certain famed politician at the time and my parents went to play a few slots back at the Beach House I gave my mom three dollars in quarters and asked her to play them in a slot machine for me. I gave her strict instructions to play one quarter at a time and to walk away with the proceeds after playing all twelve coins. I watched from a distance as she followed by precise instructions. She came back with about five dollars I was disappointed to not hit the Jackpot but proud that my strategy returned to profit. Since I thought I knew a lot about money I naturally believed I'd be good at gambling to. Clearly I had a lot to learn about investing versus gambling. Math. After a decade of attending Bachelor, parties, Atlantic City, and Las Vegas I've learned that I'm bad at gambling. I lack the discipline to play like you're supposed to in blackjack the one time I tried craps I crapped out to the tune of one hundred dollars in less than five minutes slots are fund but out comes are inevitable almost everybody sucks at gambling because of math the. Longer you spend gambling at a card table, roulette wheel craps, table slots, or whatever floats your boat the more likely you will lose money. Now before some of you get defensive, I'm talking about gambling against the house I understand that there's an element of skill for certain Card Games such as Texas holdem poker when you play against other people, the biggest soccer at the table Lewis. There's also some card counting and still th partnering skills that can be applied to blackjack that may give a very small minority of players a slight advantage over the house but that doesn't apply to ninety nine plus percent of gamblers. There's a certain kind of machiko. UC. At casinos high rollers dressed nicely in look as though they know how to win that kind of behavior might attract an audience for the evening but probably not a prophet, nearly all of us lose eventually. So the key is to gamble for fun set a firm limit know when to quit and not develop an unhealthy addiction. But despite being bad gambling, I still love casinos I love the aromas piped into the lobby, the free drinks, the extravagant bars and nightclubs, the bustle and the camaraderie at the pi-chao table. I enjoy visit to the horse betting room knowing that I'll walk out with more money in my pocket than nearly everybody else without placing a bet. Casinos are the perfect vice for a night of drinking gambling and entertainment without the kids. That's my kind of fun every once in a while. Investing versus gambling. Investing is not gambling if it's done properly, gambling is certainly not investing. Here's how the Merriam Webster Dictionary defines investing. Quote to commit money in order to earn a financial return to make use of future benefits or advantages. End. Quote. The same dictionary defines gambling this way. Quote to play a game for money or property to bet on an uncertain outcome, take a chance and quote. Gambling Games have odds lose odds are calculable and become more accurate. The longer a player place investing in the stock market is often compared to gambling but investing is not a game. Certain strategies are akin to gambling like trading penny stocks, short term speculation and unprotected option strategies. Those strategies should be avoided properly investing in stocks on the other hand involves the thorough analysis of real world data. The stock market favors long-term investors and there is. No House, the longer the period of time you invest the more likely you'll make money unlike gambling from day to day is what the market or any individual stock will do but the long term average annual increase of the S., and P. Five hundred index is about nine percent as your investment time horizon increases. So do your chances of nine percent especially if you're investing in low cost index funds and dividend aristocrats stocks in retirement accounts. Another major difference between investing in gambling is ownership. When you buy stock, you become a part owner of a business that business sells products and services earns revenue pays dividends and has intrinsic value. The company trades on a marketplace which fluctuates day to day sometimes dramatically. But if you consider your investments as part of a term business, instead of a risky bet on daily stock directions, you'll be more likely to succeed with gambling nearly guaranteed to eventually lose the math tells us. So investing versus gambling are ultimately not like each other at all. Your money or your life. A giant one, point, four, billion dollar casino recently opened not far from my house. The evening of the grand opening helicopters from the local news stations hovered all night above the massive traffic jam keeping awake nearly every child in Zipcode. Mrs. Rb D.. And I waited a few months before visiting one of the casino restaurants on a rare Dave night for three years I commuted past. The construction site monstrosity almost every day as it was being built, knowing my love of casinos and gambling and respect for math I declared that I would never bet a dollar in that place it's too close and gambling addiction is too dangerous. I recently learned that someone I know ruined his financial life by spending an all at a local casino at his age, he should be retired. At this stage in my life I'm confident that I have enough self disciplined to avoid becoming a gambling addict. But why risk it when the casino is so close by I've lost money at the blackjack table and quit only to return a few hours later in hopes of winning it back. I didn't. The force is strong in casinos and addiction would quickly become the greatest risk to my early retirement goal. It's not worth testing the waters. So close to home, I'll save my strict gambling budget for the next time I'm in Las Vegas or Atlantic City as a suburban dad was zero single friends. I don't expect that invitation anytime soon. Sir. You just listened to the post titled Investing Versus, gambling? What's the difference by Craig Stevens of retire before Dad Dot. com. And a real quick thanks to anchor for hosting this podcast anchor is the easiest way to make podcast. They'll distribute your podcast for you. So it can be heard everywhere spotify apple podcast, Google podcasts, and many more. You can easily make money from your podcast to with no minimum. listenership anchor gives you everything you need in one place for free, which you can use right from your phone or computer creation tools allow you to record and edit your podcast. 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1389: Step Off The Dang Treadmill by Craig Stephens of Retire Before Dad on Slowing Down Lifestyle Creep
"It's a minimalist monday. Edition of optimal finance daily episode. Thirteen eighty nine. Step off the treadmill by craig stevens of retire before dad dot com. And i'm your host and personal finance enthusiast diana mariam. This is the show where. I read to you from the best personal finance blogs on the web with the author's permission of course and have you heard of our other podcasts yet. Optimal living dailey covers minimalism personal development and productivity. So if you like this show you'll definitely like that one too just search for optimal living daily wherever you're hearing the show to find it along with our other shows but for now let's get right to today's post as we optimize your life. Deb often treadmill by craig. Stevens of retire before dad dot com the financial firm. Ubs publishes a quarterly report called investor. Watch that analyzes investor behavior one of these reports has remained on my mind since publication and twenty fifteen. The report is called. When is enough enough. Why the wealthy can't get off the treadmill. The premise is that more than half fifty. Two percent of millionare's surveyed further report feeling. They're stuck on a treadmill and can't get off without giving up their family's lifestyle ambition keeping up with the joneses and the desire to send their kids to the best colleges all add to the anxiety sixty three percent of survey respondents said that one major setback like job loss or market crash would significantly impact their lifestyle when success and income increases people tend to increase their spending and consumption. This is often referred to as lifestyle creep in money blogging parlance fancier new car. More frequent visits to the city's top restaurants a bigger house country club membership diamond necklace etc avoiding lifestyle. Creep is one of the most important factors when chasing financial independence. Do you feel like you're on a treadmill. Sometimes i feel as though were on a treadmill more accurately when we moved to the suburbs to start a family. it's like we sort of inadvertently stumbled onto it. But we didn't realize it until we were on a level five incline living on one income mortgage preschool tuition. The mini van broken appliances saving for college summer camps sports teams in the like drain. Our bank account with regularity. Most other times. I know the well let path is clear. Right in front of me. Were taking productive. Strides every day up the steep past to financial independence after navigating all the above expenses and more. We still managed to save about forty to fifty percent of our income every month after we change up. That doesn't come easy. We make sacrifices every day knowing about financial independence and being financially literate our important life skills. I probably take for granted for many not knowing the basics about finance is a recipe for perpetual money mediocrity and mediocrity with money is normal. The haddan ick treadmill. Not mentioned in the article is the a treadmill also called haddan ick adaptation. The wikipedia entry defines it succinctly quote the observed tendency of humans to quickly return to a relatively stable level of happiness despite major positive or negative events or life changes. According to this theory. A person makes more money expectations and desires rise in tandem which results in no permanent gain in happiness and quote. Life's ups and downs will lift and punch your spirit. But most humans remain at a constant level of happiness so even his mom received promotion after promotion and eventually becomes an svp. She's likely no happier than when she was a lowly associate. Her family has a pair of luxury. European cars now and the kids love the new private school. Her two carat diamond stunned earrings are beautiful. And the houses finally spacious enough to contain all the stuff. They've accumulated over the past decade but mom is still working and it all goes away if she stops maybe she loves the work. The ups survey also asked the same millionaires. What they would do differently if they only had five more years to live. Eighty seven percent said they would change things which presumably means only thirteen percent would continue to work. Here's what they do differently. Sixty four percents that they travel more sixty one percent said they'd spend more time with family. Forty four percent said they retire and my favorite thirty seven per cent said they'd be a better person. Twenty eight percent said they'd enjoy the finer things in life. Thirty six percent said they would spend more time on passions and three percent said they would work harder to provide for my family. perhaps shorten lifespan. Directs our attention to what is most important. The haddan treadmill theory tells us that we should be pursuing what makes us happy which is a different end. Goal than money and success pursue. What makes you happy writing about money and investing on the internet. Doesn't make me an expert. I'm far from perfect. Having made plenty of financial mistakes over the years and probably making some in the present. I feel conflicted about needs versus wants and the desire for nicer stuff a bigger home and more frequent meals at the top restaurants in dc. I'm not as frugal as i once was. I want a decent lunch today. So i'm going to spend ten dollars instead of eating a two dollar. Lean cuisine and a fiber one bar that gives me gas but even with an occasional splurge on lunch or a decent vacation we can still achieve our financial independence and early retirement. Goals were on the right path despite having more mouths to feed and living in the suburbs surrounded by the temptations of luxury cars. Private education's for our kids and world-class dining as we pursue early retirement. The key is to stay away from the same treadmill millionaires find themselves stuck on by keeping our lifestyle in check and investing spare cash instead of spending it become the millionaire next door if you will then eliminate what makes us unhappy such as fulltime work commuting toxic and pursue what makes us ultra happy and do more of that for the millionaires in the survey. It's never too late but the deeper entrenched in their lifestyle the greater the pressure to maintain the high standard of living. They have established for their families whom they value above all else without a drastic lifestyle. Change the treadmill millionaires will end up working to age sixty five and beyond step off the treadmill quote. This secret of happiness you see is not found in seeking more but in developing the capacity to enjoy less socrates. Maybe you're not a millionaire yet but if you've read enough about investing in early retirement and your persistent there's a good chance you will be someday. Inflation should help to to get there. You'll need to earn more. Spend less and invest the surplus. I call this the tri force of wealth for all us zelda fans out there building wealth is simple but not easy. Beware of the treadmill especially in the critical stages of your life such as marriage having kids and in your peak earning years. It's sneaks up on you disguised as the american dream if one day you wake up and realize you're stuck step off step off spectacularly by moving selling your cars and dropping the golf club membership right away. A total one eighty or step off more gradually start by identifying the pressure. Points in your life that make you unhappy and eliminate them as soon as possible. Then instead instead of spending your hard earned money on short-term highs and five star hotels keep your money and invest it picture what would make you supremely happy and five or ten years and re-director attention toward that make sacrifices today to achieve that vision you just listen to the post titled step off the treadmill by craig stevens of retire before dad dot com. Thanks to anger for hosting this. Podcast anchor is the easiest way to make a podcast. The trigger podcast for you so can be heard everywhere. Spotify apple podcasts. Google podcasts and many more you can easily make money from your podcast to with no minimum listenership. Anger gives you everything you need in one place for free which you can use right from your phone or computer creation tools. Allow you to record edit your podcast. So it sounds great. Download the anchor app or go to anchor dot. Fm to get started. This article reminded me of one of my favorite quotes from the mr money moustache blog. He states that luxury is a weakness. I take that one step further and say that it's not enough to not by all those fancy luxuries to really avoid lifestyle creep. You need to train your brain to not desire those things. It's a difficult task. Were conditioned from a very early age to be good consumers so it does take a deep mindset shift to rebel against that reading articles like this and reminding myself that the happiness fancy stuff promises is an illusion helps me keep my consumers brainwashing and check research has shown that after enough income to meet basic human needs and some luxuries there are diminishing returns to having more. I've found in my own life. Happiness comes from relationships and surrounding myself with people that inspire me. It comes from creative expression resourcefulness and flexibility around. How i use my time. It comes from prioritizing self care and personal development. I now see my satisfaction with having a needing less in terms of luxuries as a superpower. And i'll point out that it is so much easier to pare back the lifestyle creep when it's a choice versus if you lose your source of income becomes a necessity. There is a sense of freedom and confidence that comes from a minimalist lifestyle. I feel ready for whatever life throws at me. And that's a wrap for another monday. Show have a great rest of your day and start your week. And i'll be back tomorrow. Where your optimal life awaits.
Nigerian National Petroleum Corporations 2019 Audited Financial Report Shows N801.3bn Reduction in Losses
"The affiliate podcast shows the stories of multifaceted Africans. One episode at a time, the podcast aims to uncover the untold stories of modern and millennial applicants based in various parts of the world. Each episode gives listeners an opportunity to learn and experience conversations that showcase who they are and global perspectives in our ever changing world fish also listen and subscribe to the Athlete podcast on spotify or wherever you listen to your favorite podcast. You can also follow at athletes podcast on all social media platforms. You're listening to the news at this hour on Africa Business Redo the Nigerian national. Petroleum Corporation has released its trench nineteen audited financial statements about five months after publishing in two thousand eighteen report, which was the first in its forty three year existence in the second audited financial statement made public Thursday the corporation achieved eight hundred, one point three, billion a reduction in its lost profile from a whooping under three billion in twenty teen to one point seven, billion in twenty nineteen this represented a ninety nine point seven percents caught in losses. The corporation said when completed the asset not or Haji saw gas projects would be able to fuel plans to generate approximately two, thousand, four, hundred megawatts of electricity for Nigeria. That was the news at this time on business radio you can continue to listen live online at www dot, Africa business, Redo Dot Com all via mobile. App I've been. We really thanks for listening.
1336: A Winning Real Estate Investing Strategy For Independent Landlords by Joseph Hogue with Retire Before Dad
"This is optimal finance daily episode. Thirteen thirty six a winning real estate investing strategy for independent landlords. By joseph. Hogue with retire before dad dot com. And i'm your host and personal finance enthusiast diana mariam. This is the show where i read to you. From some of the best personal finance blogs on the planet every single day of the year were often surrounded by messages of how difficult it can be to make ends meet and build wealth sue. Thank you for spending this time with me where we can empower ourselves to t control of our finances and for more content being narrated to you for free covering personal development minimalism and more just search for optimal living daily. Wherever you get your podcast but since you're here let's get right to today's post and start optimizing your life a winning real estate investing strategy for independent landlords by joseph hoc with retire before dad dot com. I followed rb d. And his real estate journey for just under a year one article earlier this year talking through his condo investment was almost identical to a conversation. I've had with my wife about our own. real estate. Investments the post talking through a condo investment bought in two thousand six and whether it should be sold is just one of the many struggles individual real estate investors work through all the time the investment has done well and the hundred thousand dollars in has been paid for in part by renters but rpd wonders. If he's really the best use of the money. I started buying single family homes in two thousand one after getting out of the. Us marine corps. I was fortunate to get in at the beginning of the real estate boom and did well rehabbing and renting properties in my small local market. But i quickly found out that the real estate game is far from the passive income myth to investors and there's constantly new questions to tackle as an individual investor. You'll have to be your own contractor negotiator and investment analyst along with every other role in the process. I recently came across solution to all the questions. Uncertainty and building a real estate investment strategy. And it may be the best way to level the playing field for people like you and me create a group to improve your real estate. Investing strategy few assets have created as much legacy wealth as real estate. It's one of the most widely held investments has created empires and now even a us president but the real estate game seems stacked against the individual investor. Unless you've got a few million dollars in properties can hire professional management. It's tough to manage their own assets. Cash flow can be tight in those first few years. You might be able to manage tenants but can you also be your own contractor and repair person. Do you know enough about real estate law to answer your own legal questions. A few problems a year and the cost of hiring out all the different real estate service providers can eat into any cash flow and put you in the red many investors. Find their savings running low trying to keep a budding real estate empire. Growing there is a solution that can help. You spread the burden for your properties and save you money. They say there's power in numbers and it's certainly true in real estate. When i was looking to invest in a new market i started real estate. Investment group and the experience has been far different than my previous struggle. A real estate group or club is three or more people that get together to help each other manage their property. Investments i've seen groups take different forms from limited liability corporations that hold property jointly to informal clubs where the investors hold their own assets but helped their group with different roles identified critical members for your real estate investment group. I chose to put together an informal club rather than go through the incorporation process and worry about running an llc. The llc form can help to keep everyone involved in multiplayer buying power but it can also be a hassle trying to coordinate everyone's investment in owner rights. Whichever you choose there a few critical members that you'll want for your real estate investment club lawyers can be extremely expensive unless you can trade services within your group call local law firms and ask around the nearest universities. If they have a real estate law course you might not be able to find a licensed real estate attorney but you might be able to find someone with coursework in the topic. Real estate accounting can be frustrating for the numerically challenged but will end up saving you a lot of money in taxes. Find someone that understands the process around ten thirty one exchange in keeping track of your cost basis many contractors plumbers electricians also own rental properties or flip houses find someone that can help the group with a little sweat equity in exchange for other services. You'll also need someone that can help find the best deals analyze investments check around with local real estate agents for local investors. That might want to join your group. You don't necessarily need people that are professionally trained in these roles to form a successful real estate investing club. Someone good with numbers can become an accounting resource for the group with a little study into real estate accounting. Find people that are willing to learn and use monthly meetings to teach each other basic skills in each role. Make it a fair exchange for everyone in the group don't expect professionals to provide their services for free but everyone in the group should contribute spend a little time finding members that can work together. And you'll find the real estate. Investing game isn't so stacked against you. You just listened to the post titled a winning real estate investing strategy for independent landlords. Joseph hogue with retire before dad dot com. Thanks to anger for hosting this podcast. Anchor is the easiest way to make a podcast little distributor podcast for you. So can be heard everywhere. Spotify apple podcasts. Google podcasts and many more you can easily make money from your podcast to with no minimum. Listenership gives you everything you need in one place for free which you can use right from your phone or computer creation tools. Allow you to record and edit your podcast so it sounds great. Download the anchor app or go to anchor. Fm to get started. Joseph is a guess writer on retire before dad. He's a chartered financial analysts. That's efa who rates were a bunch of websites and blogs including his own peer finance one dot com in crowd. One zero one dot com. So you can check out more of his work there. I've come to the realization over time that the quality of my life is really dependent on the people i surround myself with. Joseph makes some great points here about the benefits of forming a group as a real estate investment strategy. But i'd also add that it can make the work itself a lot more fun after all. We are social creatures people coming together over. A common goal not only creates opportunity to leverage each other skill sets but it can also provide accountability and a resource for brainstorming solutions. To roadblocks i myself part of a mastermind group that meets biweekly to discuss our goals monitor our progress towards those goals and share resources for meeting them for real estate. Specifically you might wanna check out your local ria chapter which stands for real estate investors association or bigger pockets which is an online community of real estate investors. That'll do it for today. And another installment of finance daily have a happy thursday. Thank you for being with me every day and be sure to come back tomorrow for the friday. Show where your optimal life awaits.
1196: Never Depend on a Single Income by Craig Stephens of Retire Before Dad on How to Create Multiple Revenue Streams
"Real quick, we recommend listening to this show on spotify where you can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free without a premium account, spotify has a huge catalog of podcasts on the imaginable topic, plus you can follow your favorite podcasts, so you never miss an episode. Premium users can download episodes to listen to off lime, wherever and whenever and easily share what you're listening to with your friends on Instagram, so if you haven't done so all right, be sure to download the spotify APP search for optimal finance daily on spotify or browse podcasts in the your library tab also make sure to follow me, so you never miss an episode of optimal finance, daily. This is optimal finance. Daily episode eleven ninety six never depend on a single income by Craig Stevens of retire before Dad dot com. And I'm Dan I'm your host here on the podcast I'm here each and every day reading to you from the best personal finance blogs anywhere and for more podcasts covering a lot of different topics, we actually have five different shows. You can check them all out by searching for optimal living daily wherever you're hearing this, but for now since you're here, let's get right to it and start optimizing your life. Never depend on a single income by Craig Stevens of retire before Dad dot com. Quote never depend on single income. Make investment to create a second source. Warren Buffett. Both quotes are usually more eloquent. My grammar-checker hated this one, but it's one of my favorites because he sounds like a caveman, and it's one way I like to think about investing as a secondary source of income, it might as well be a quote from a caveman, because the concept is so simple and obvious, we're programmed to focus on our careers as our only income source study hard get a job rely on the job for a salary, healthcare, retirement savings and social life. Maybe this way of thinking is leftover from our parents, generation and their employer loyalty pensions and gold watches. Our best to stay employed, but lose job. And suddenly the government is expected to step in and save the day when I lost my job in twenty seventeen, I didn't apply for state unemployment benefits. We lived off nineteen thousand dollar emergency savings, fund and seven income streams. I built before being let go. One of those income streams is a side business I built while I was fully employed. It produced a decent income and gave me something to do while I searched for my ideal job. Americans often borrowed too much money to buy the nicest house and car. They can mathematically afford. Everything is fine as long as they stay employed, and the economy remains on sound footing, but crossing fingers, and hoping things stay good is a bad plan. The way to avoid financial troubles, even in a depressed economic environment is to borrow far below your means or not at all build a significant emergency fund and create secondary income streams to supplement your primary income and grow wealth or marry someone with an income. Doing these things gives you options if your employment situation changes and it might. Perfect Time Caveman buffets quote suggests you take some of the money you are, and put it towards investments that way, if your primary income is lost or pauses due to a government shutdown. Or whatever life throws at you? You still have money coming in to help. Pay The bills hopefully on top of a healthy emergency fund when buffet says investment, we assume he means stocks. He's a bit old. Fashioned stocks are great for long term growth and income, and it's easy to get started nowadays, but there are endless ways to invest to earn additional income streams, and not all our financial investments in January. This year I wrote a post about the five best investments for. For long term growth, the first recommendation was to invest in starting a low cost side business, starting a business may have associated costs to get started and operate, but there are hundreds of legitimate business ideas, the cost very little to ramp up returns on a successful side business can be very high, and there's no pressure to make it a full-time GIG real estate, alternative investments and investment in education or other ways to invest in helping to never depend on a single income again. However all of these investments require the most important asset of all your time. Though some of these income streams may eventually be passive, each requires an upfront time and vestment. If you invest enough time in exploring ways to build additional income streams, you'll find something that eventually works for you. CAN YOU MAX it out. We all know we should be saving for retirement whether we are not getting started. Investing for retirement is one thing maxing out is another only thirteen percent of workers with 401K's maxed out their contributions in two thousand seventeen. I recommend maxing out your employer sponsored plan if you have one or maxing out a traditional IRA if For most people that's a challenge, but start small. Then try to increase your contributions each year until you. The Max set a realistic goal to get like five years after maxing out my four zero three B our family is also contributing the Max to MRS RB, DIS, spouse ally Rae my Roth IRA and we're executing our college savings strategy. I do all of this before investing after tax money into dividend, stocks and real estate crowdfunding do not save what is left after spending but spend. Spend what is left after saving being able to make all of these pre tax and after tax investments is a result of smart money habits. Over the past decade we also bought less home than we could afford. Oh, nothing on our cars and refinanced our home and rental mortgages several times to lower monthly payments most importantly when my income grows, our lifestyle stays the same. This enables us to use salary increases and business income to invest in our future and increase our income even more. Is Retirement savings enough? But as you know, money invested in retirement accounts is meant to grow untouched until at least age fifty nine and a half to avoid penalties and allow for compounding growth retirement. Investing doesn't really provide a secondary income stream. The money grows tax deferred until it can be easily accessed distributions and must stay in the tax advantaged accounts before then this is where after tax investments come into play, still contribute to tax advantaged accounts I then at the end of each month, aimed to have excess cash flow available. Available to invest by creating a budget and sticking to it use excess cash flow to create additional income streams explore side business ideas. Can you invest one hundred dollars in a business idea and return a profit and scale into something worthwhile by individual stocks are index funds. Keep investing in stocks after your tax. Advantaged accounts are maxed out. Save up to buy rental property or start small with real estate. crowdfunding real estate investing is one of the best uses of your money for income, growth and tax efficiency. I'm okay if you don't completely Max out your tax, advantaged accounts end squeezed some after tax money out of your budget to invest I'd rather you invest excess cash flow than spend it? Reality Sets in income earned from secondary sources is taxed, but real estate, long-term investment income, and even business income now or more tax efficient than salaried income. Avoid the tax man when you can, but don't let him scare you from the pursuit of prosperity. Conclusion. The quote at the beginning of this post isn't something. Buffet repeats every earnings quarter on squawk box. He uses his influence to comment on the economy and politics talk about great businesses and recommend that most ordinary investors by an S. and P. Five hundred index ETF end. Leave it at that, but my interpretation of his quote is Broader Buffet is an entrepreneur, and he's interacted with great business leaders throughout his career. He's a firm believer in capitalism and the power of investing. Investing investing is not just about buying stocks. Companies Invest in themselves to remain competitive. They invest in their people, and in growth they diversify business lines to manage cyclical risks. It said in personal finance that we should all think of our financial lives as if we are a business, money comes in expenses. Go Out. We invest in education for ourselves and our families, so that we can prosper, and we can diversify our income streams and investments to help deal with the unexpected. You just listened to the post titled Never Depend on a single income by Craig Stevens of retire before Dad, Dot Com. And a real quick thanks to anchor for hosting this podcast anchor is the easiest way to make a podcast. They'll distribute your podcast for you, so it can be heard everywhere. spotify apple podcast Google podcasts and many more, you can easily make money from your podcast to with no minimum listenership anchor gives you everything you need in one place for free which you can use right from your phone or computer creation tools allow you to record and edit your podcast, so it sounds great. Download the anchor APP or go to Anchor Dot FM to get started. And that should do it for today. Hope you have a happy rest of your day and I'll see you back here tomorrow for the Friday. Show where your optimal life awaits.
1266: Strive To Wake Up And Do Nothing (With Your Finances) by Craig Stephens of Retire Before Dad on Simplifying Money
"This is optimal finance daily episode twelve, sixty, six stripe to wake up and do nothing with your finances by Craig Stevens of retire before. Dad. Dot Com, and I'm Dan. I'm your host and narrator of some of the best blogs on personal finance and for more content being narrated to you for free in a format just like this covering personal development minimalism and much more checkout optimal living daily where we've got a bunch of episodes you can check out. But since you're here, let's get right to today's posts ten start optimizing your life. Stripe to wake up and do nothing with your finances by Craig Stevens of retire before Dad Dot Com. Quote. If you really have done a great job as a leader, you should wake up in the morning and have nothing to do. Steve Case Co founder of AOL and Chairman and CEO of revolution. This quote changed the way I think about my career soon after I read it a CO worker complained to me that his manager was dumping menial work on his underlings to the point it appeared he was taking on very few tasks previously, I would've sided with my coworker thinking this manager was not pulling his weight but now I realize that this guy is working on becoming a good manager while his team is writing his status reports the manager is likely devising his. Next Steps up the corporate ladder the goal of actually having nothing to do as a manager or leader is impossible to achieve but strive to wake up and do nothing, and it will drastically change the way you approach your career. Mr Case also states that putting in place at team of the right people is an important step toward achieving your goals by streamlining workflow and empowering capable and trustworthy people. A manager can inch closer to quiet mornings with an empty email inbox. Wake up and do nothing in your life. You may not be a manager job, but you are the CEO of your household and your finances. So how can you take this management philosophy and apply it to your life? Can you reduce streamline, delegate, simplify and automate your life on the way to financial independence getting your finances in order to the point where you have little to do except enjoy. Life in retirement that would be true independence. The whole idea behind passive income is to make money with little effort and ultimately not need a job to pay the bills. The hard work is done upfront whether it be buying real estate property, a dividend stock, or some other form of investment income. Some maintenance work must be done to such as managing the. Rental property or communicating with the property manager and making decisions or keeping up on stock investment performance passive income is the vehicle you need to achieve financial independence but once you're there, it's time to slow down and enjoy yourself having too many things that need to be done. All the time defeats the purpose of striving for free time in the first. Place. Those seeking financial independence want more free time to pursue passions that can't be pursued while working a forty hour per week job pursuits can include new business ventures traveling and Athletico spending more time with family picking up a hobby or just simply reading for pleasure. The last thing you want in early retirement is unwanted administrative tasks that take up your time. What are some things you can do to reach this goal? Number one if you have income from real estate that you manage higher property manager to run it for you, rental property problems can with your life like when my was due to have a baby and the Condo Association called me in for a hearing about my tenants putting their garbage out on the wrong night or outsource your real estate investing portfolio to fund or realty mogul. Number two. If you buy individual stocks, you'd better by good companies with long histories of paying and increasing dividends companies with wide economic moats, strong balance sheets, and excellent management. Too much work go with total market index funds or ETF Like v TSA X. or V. TI or try dividend ETF slake the S. t. y. v. I g. and an OB L. or try a Robo Advisor. Number Three US one financial institution to manage all of your investments. I'm guilty here I have taxable online brokerage account a few drip accounts with computer share a before one k account through work and a few other brokerage accounts. I'm overdue for consolidation. Number Four. If you invest in peer to peer lending automate with lending robot. Number Five, automate your net worth calculation. Personal capital is by far the best free tool that I've seen for calculating net worth. All your accounts are imported automatically and it spits out your net worth selfie no more manual spreadsheets, personal capital save me about two hours per month. Number six eliminate car payments and other bills. Don't have bills don't have bills to pay pay off your consumer debts, crush student loans, and consider paying off your mortgage cancel on needed Insurance Policies Cable TV magazine Subscriptions Jelly of the Month Club whatever it is you don't want or need eliminated and you won't have a financial action to take my wife had a Banana Republic credit card for years and she liked it because they sent her coupons since she no longer needs work clothes she doesn't shop there is frequently when she did use it it was just another bill to pay. Number seven embraced the ACH. Automated. Clearing House and set up online bill pay. Most young people are already doing this, but you can get extreme and not sign up for anything that can't be automated us one bank to pay all of your bills or better yet use the same financial institution where your investments reside never write another check. Finance as a hobby. People like me, and probably a lot of you think finance is fun when I implement automation from my bills and simplify finances, it opens up more opportunities to analyze investments and make crazy spreadsheets hobbies. I enjoy and it makes more time to spend with my wife and kids writing. This blog is something I enjoy and it's a side business when I can automate financial aspect of my life or eliminate an action I need to take it gives Me More time to create helpful content. For example, I used to pay my car insurance four times a year but recently, I switched to the one payment a year plan paying once a year instead of quarterly saves me three checks. I don't have to write an account for maybe I need to find an insurance company that does bill pay with my bank the more small steps like this I can take the more time l. have for everything else. Final thoughts. When I'm retired and traveling in some remote part of the world I'll always have some financial responsibilities that need to be taken care of concerns like filing taxes, following investments, and home bills and maintenance. While I'm gone will need to be addressed the less I have the better. You just listened to the post titled. Strive. To wake up and do nothing with your finances by Craig Stevens of retire before Dad. Dot Com. And a real quick thanks to anchor for hosting this podcast anchor is the easiest way to make a podcast. They'll distribute your podcast for you. So it can be heard everywhere spotify apple podcast, Google podcasts, and many more. You can easily make money from your podcast to with no minimum listenership anchor gives you everything you need in one place for free, which you can use right from your phone or computer creation tools allow you to record and edit your podcast. So it sounds great download the anchor APP or go to anchor dot. FM to get started. And that's GonNa do it for today and another installment of optimal finance daily hope you're having a very happy Thursday if you're listening in real time and thank you as always for being here with me every day and listening and I'll see you back here tomorrow for the Friday show where your optimal life awaits.
1414: The Importance of Job Satisfaction in Pursuit of Early Retirement by Craig Stephens of Retire Before Dad
"This is optimal finance daily episode. Fourteen fourteen the importance of job satisfaction in the pursuit of early retirement by craig stevens of before dad dot com. Thanks for tuning in today. And every day. I'm your host in personal finance enthusiast. Diana mariam this is the show where i neri post from. Thought leaders personal finance every single day of the year in ten minutes or less. Are you loving optimal finance daily. Why not sure it with a friend today. Invite them to join the party by sending them a link to l. podcast dot com. And while they're there they can check out our five other shows on topics like personal development health and relationships but for now. Let's get to today's post as we optimize your life. The importance of job satisfaction in the pursuit of early retirement by craig stevens of retire before dad dot com. Some people are driven to the idea of early retirement because they lack job satisfaction in their career working into their sixties. Isn't sustainable unhappiness. At work comes in many forms it could be a negative co worker. That makes you dread going to the office or the job. He's a low salary with few opportunities to earn more. Long commutes sackville out of us to financial insecurities at home can also contribute to unhappiness at work suffocating. Student loans are an unreasonable car. Payment can make you feel trapped because you need money to pay the bills. Maybe you support a family and leaving a job when there are few opportunities in your town isn't an option. I set my goal to retire completely by eight fifty five back. When i was broke unemployed in living with my parents there was no job to hate. Motivating meter retire early. My motivation was a positive one to work towards the goal of extended. Travel in retirement inspired. By the freedom. I experienced while backpacking the world but after many years of working for the same company. My motivation changed. I wasn't happy with my career or employer. I wanted to retire early. Because i didn't like my job. Because i was pursuing the goal of freedom and travel that was an unhealthy state of mind today a much happier with my career. End employer and more grateful after experiencing a period of unemployment being happy and enjoying the challenging work makes me excited to go to the office and earn a paycheck. I'm now working towards my ideal retirement again. Instead of trying to escape my career having gone through this cycle has taught me the importance of job satisfaction in pursuit of early retirement. What is job satisfaction. The best definition of job satisfaction found is the simplest the extent to which people like satisfaction or dislike dissatisfaction. Their jobs some people truly love what they do for a living. I'm convinced that as a small percentage of the working population most people find a career. That best suits their skills and pays an acceptable amount for their time. Work is but an exchange of time for money for many of us. Job satisfaction takes it to the next level. Does the work provide reward. Besides the paycheck is the work meaningful. Is the work appreciated by others. Parts of my old job were rewarding. But i was still unhappy in hindsight. I realized that my job satisfaction decrease due to two primary factors negative people and monotony like toxic person. You encounter anywhere. It's best to avoid them but that wasn't always possible with my situation. The other negative factor was the repetitive nature of my position. For eight years. I stayed in the same role with little exposure to new challenges. I was comfortable in content because the work was familiar in the pay was good. But there was quiet angst attracting for my wellbeing. Not until i left that position that i mentally turn a corner. Part of that. Unhappiness at work led to starting this blog because my job was not personally rewarding. The blog became a creative space for me to experiment with a topic. That was more interesting to me than it consulting. You've got a job but you wanna career. Those were the words of jingle. I remember from watching. Tv growing up. It was for a local technical institute that promise perspective students the chance to leave their job for a rewarding currier. I've had many jobs over the years. Lifeguard merrill lynch in turn used record store sales person paper boy shoe salesman. Beach umbrella attended. Busboy proxy voting cold caller horrible blogger. But only one career information technology or it consultant. When i interviewed for my first it job at age twenty three. I didn't know what. it was. All i had was a finance degree and a disheartening internship experience. That first job became the foundation for a lifelong. It career even though i was solely focused on saving money to travel in my twenty s college degrees and first jobs often dictate a life's work but we make those choices at such a young age. When we don't understand the adult workplace jobs coming go switching careers is a big deal. They don't teach you that when you're choosing a major more than a decade ago i considered leaving my. It career to become a financial planner. Personal finance was my passion. And we're supposed to follow our passion right. I began pursuing the cfp certification. Around that time. I received a big raise for my job and i use it to justify buying a condo. The raise confirmed the potential of my it career but the condo purchase cripples my cash flow and stifled my lifestyle flexibility. My monthly housing costs went from seven hundred and fifty dollars to two thousand three hundred dollars. I accident louis. Enslaved myself the mistake of buying a home. When i couldn't afford it pressured me to abandon my aspirations of being a financial planner that was bad for morale at work job satisfaction and early retirement during the years of being unhappy at work. Mrs retire before. Dad would remind me that it was unhealthy to look for a new job. Just because i didn't like the current one. Don't leave your job because you don't like it leave because you're excited about what's next. A similar saying is true for retirement. Don't retire from something retired to something retire because you may have another forty years to live retire because you can spend more time doing the things. You love retire because slow. Travel is ten times better than week long. Vacations don't retire because you hate your job or career unless you're within a year or two of your financial independence or retirement goal. Being unhappy at work is detrimental to your wellbeing. Hating your job won't adventure. Ultimate objective of saving and investing more money. Hate me the impetus to pursue early retirement. But it's wrong vessel to get you there instead. Find ways to be happier at work. Relinquish your bad attitude. Create new opportunities for yourself gained a new skill. Become better at what you do. Build new relationships to help avoid the toxic ones. These actions will lead to more money. In the meantime why not start a side business to empower the future. You empowering herself with additional income outside of a job can help improve your normal work life because it provides relief from one hundred percent reliance on your job and it could lead to something if all else fails. You can always pursue other employment opportunities when you do don't have set when the right opportunity comes your way prepares if your career depends on it. Change within a career is good. The pursuit of better job satisfaction aligned with pursuit of early retirement. Job satisfaction leads to more daily fulfillment a positive work ethic happiness and ultimately more money to fund your early retirement aspirations. Ideally you want to build a career. You enjoy so much that you don't wanna leave that way when you reach the point where you can retire. You have to good options. You listen to the post titled the importance of job satisfaction in the pursuit of early retirement by craig stevens of retire before dad dot com. Thanks to anger for hosting this. Podcast anchors the easiest way to make a podcast distributor. Podcast for you. So can be heard everywhere. Spotify apple podcasts. Google podcasts and many more you can easily make money from your podcast to with no minimum listenership anchor gives you everything you need in one place for free which you can use right from your phone or computer creation tools. Allow you to record and edit your podcast so it sounds great. Download the anchor ab or go to anchor dot. Fm to get started. I could not agree. More with craig on the importance of job satisfaction on the pass to fi- one of the things i've realized in recent years is that the quality of my life is highly dependent on the people i surround myself with and when it comes to the people we work with. We spend more time with them than we do with our friends and family. I think it's incredibly important to feel that. The people i work with added value to my life both personally and and vice versa. I saw a quote the other day. That said if you look at the people in your circle and you don't get inspired then. You don't have a circle. You have a cage. I to hear that people are motivated to retire early to escape job. They hate but i would caution. That early retirement is not a destination. That's immediately going to make you happy. I've heard it said by people who have retired early that if you're miserable before retirement you will be miserable. After and the reason is that circumstances account for a pretty small portion of her overall happiness. So i think it's important to evaluate. Is it really the job or are we the source of our own happiness. Because if it's us we're going to carry that with us whether we find a new job or retire early. If it really is the job you may already be in a financial position to leave even if you aren't financially independent. One way to think about it is that one sure out of debt and you have a healthy emergency fund of say one to two years in cash you essentially have. Fu you money. Meaning that you don't have to do what you don't want do if you really don't like that job. Perhaps it's time to quit. Leave off your savings for a minute and decide your next move and that will do it for today. Have a great day in start your weekend. Thank you for listening. And i'll be back here tomorrow. Where your optimal life awaits.
NASA Back in Touch with Voyager 2
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By the fda this product is not intended to diagnose treat cure or prevent any disease this space time series twenty three episode one hundred nineteen for broadcast on the ninth of november twenty twenty coming up on space time nasa back in touch with its fortitude spacecraft the mystery of the centers and the meaning of a blue moon all that and more coming up on space time. Welcome to space. Time with stewart gary nasa has reestablished command control of the voyager two spacecraft. The agency's seventy mehta camera deep space network radio dish. The only antenna capable of contacting the forty three year old spacecraft successfully set a series of commands to the probe the dish officially known as deep space station forty three has been undergoing a major upgrade and refurbishment since mid march with the dish out of action mission managers could receive data from voyager two through the three thirty four meter wide radio antennas at the camera complex but couldn't send commands to the far-flung probe which is now lift our solar system and he's flying through interstellar space among the upgrades to the ds's forty-three dish with tinny radio transmitters one of them which is used to talk to void you to hasn't been replaced in more than forty seven years engineers have also upgraded heating and cooling equipment for the electronics. The power supply equipment and other technology needed to run the new transmitters. The successful cold avoid the to is just one indication that the dish will be back online showed in february next year located knee camera. The antennas part of a network of three radio antenna ground stations. The other two being goldstone in california and madrid in spain the network up primarily used to communicate with spacecraft operating beyond earth orbit the position of the three facilities around the planet ensures that almost any spacecraft line of sight with earth can communicate with at least one facilities at anytime voice to is a rare exception launched in nineteen seventy seven just days before its twin void you won the spacecraft was designed to achieve nothing lists than the grand tour of the outer solar system visiting the gas giants jupiter and saturn and the ice giants. You're innocent neptune. In order to make it close fly. By of neptune's moon triton in one thousand nine hundred nine the probe flew over the planet's north pole the gravitational impact of that dejected deflected it southwards relative to the plan of the planets. And it's been heading in that direction. Out of the solar system and interstellar space ever since now more than eighteen point eight billion kilometers from earth the voyager two spacecraft e so fast south it no longer has line of sight with radio antennas in northern hemisphere. So this is forty. Three's the only dish in the southern hemisphere with a transmitter powerful enough and that broadcasts at the right frequencies to send commands to the distant spacecraft voyages fast moving twin void. You one took a different path past satin and can communicate through the antennas at the to dsm facilities in the northern hemisphere. The antennas need uplift commands to both voyagers in radio frequency range code s band and the antennas downlink data from the spacecraft in a range known as the x band. The probes are constantly sending back science data from interstellar space that is the region of the galaxy immediately outside the sun's helius fear. The protective bubble of product was a magnetic field created by the sun that surrounds the pilots and the copperbelt a collection of small icy bodies beyond the orbit of neptune. This forty-three began operating back. In one thousand nine hundred seventy two five years before the launch of the voyage attune voyager one spacecraft back then. It was only sixty four meters wide the same size as the packs radio telescope dish. It was expanded to seventy meters in nineteen eighty seven and received a variety of upgrades and modifications since then the is overseeing the counter. Work say this is being one of the most significant makers the dishes received and the longest. It's been off line in thirty years. Philip baldwin operations manage if nasa space communications and navigation program says the assist forty-three antenna is a highly specialized system. He says there are only two other similar. Antennas in the world so having the antenna down for a full year's not an ideal situation for voyager or any other major s emissions currently in operation. The camera deep space. Communications network complex is managed by the ceasefire siro on behalf of nasa complex spokesperson. Glenn nagel says. The refurbishment of dc's forty-three will benefit other missions including nasr's mars perseverance rosa which will land on the red planet on february eighth next year. And the upcoming optimists missions which will return humans to the surface of the moon. Twenty twenty four and eventually onto mars part of the ongoing upgrade. Or how big seventy made a dish one of those with that that we could send commanding through the voice of food place craft that again tenant they spray the only intern around the world have bullet doing and why is it. The anyone that can reach voyage to avoid you just space craft and kind of neptune back in nineteen ninety nine. Victory took southwood below the ecliptic plane. And so come now by. Yeah the in out there in california literally. The earth is in the waste so they're able to see that by take the thirty four dishes simply aren't big enough not capable to transmit with high power transition type ability like still can receive if we combined two of them their data from georgia to we've still they never for the last eight months that we've been off line since manning's so now it's forty three half the facts online speaking send those bottled commands again. And what was the refurbishment done to the big dish joining upgrade equipment that has been operating on ten and a further four years. But some of the transmitters were in that device group. And i desperately need all been up right so we built two new high palestine's minutes to the dinner. One of those needed for the void vice crop other it will be used for future missions of mazar humans to the moon and so on and also played electrical pride house cooling systems Refurbishment of the pedestals basically a top to bottom inside out an afraid of the ditch. And what. People don't often realize especially australian listening. Because i hear a lot about the cease iras pox radio telescope the sixty four minute dish. They this was actually bigger. The given bill affecting station is the largest in southern hemisphere. Seventy majors in about the twenty two story building and just the dish moving structure. Why some full thousand. Tom physically moods with position. Any quietness guy communicate. Spice pops hundreds of millions billions of kilometers. Why is the refurbishment process of big job has been the entire project is eleven months for the upright. Does the end. Santa the eight months which might be named tactic by things like sizes and other bush flies. Taxes of twenty twenty Has entailed a hundred and fifty people different contractors around engineers technicians expert. Coming out from the pulsing labs in pasadena california. Polls do this work on this. Really great workforce of the nation. How big dishes hambro now. Literally this sort of thing have been working dying not seven days a week. They get the antennas where it is now and so also make sure complete. Do back online. I already to joke with some of the missions. Bribing mas in february next year to get those next few months already because perseverance just past the halfway mockup beliefs. Yes that's correct so we continue to track on own journey. Demand north side of the nodded arab emirates missions. Pope this is also going to miles around the same time period planning on the surface. Tell us about tidbinbilla old. The digs network camera station as as nasa coolest. The camera date by communication complex. Of course is part of nafta states by three stations around the planet that probably about the will the provide twenty four seven communications. They're all dozens of robotic missions that are solar system folks when we talk about where we're talking about things hundred thousand kilometers and beyond so there are networks handle the much closer stops and there's been satellites and she a stationary stuff like really candle. Everything else but you is now backyards so like the i have these antennas around the planet divide twenty seven communications sending command vice. Got nowhere to go what to do. And then send by chrome. We can in processed perfect through the different pulse land in california after the industry to ten thousand society around the world so we have seventy minutes or so cool down to the uprise right now. We have three thirty four minutes amador and never the next year. We hope to build at least one more and soon vehicles to the wellness number of spanish trough. Planning to go out there literally need more is on fight. Balata communicate listens. And it's much as the dishes you have. You've got a favorite history there too haven't you. Yeah operating since nineteen sixty five below. We started out very striking back in nineteen sixty four says nassar's manifold spice products which made the first fly by of miles and taking pictures of that world. In fact i was six received and outstation back in july on sixty five to this coming back with pretty good setup very socks that this practice field light ambitions of course. Yeah there were when he's completely dependent was covered In the global dust. Storms this dynamic. Well but we not so much better now because of all of the different missions that have gone there to the decades and the fracking missions. And now all of is on the surface and other opening spice process. We really consider them. Is the traffic jam at the solar system right now. We like missions currently Active there three ball on the way right now and Supposed to be handled all of the The apollo missions the mission to the moon in handle miss thousands and thousands of missions demise to the giant stuff whole system to ask royds and calmer and of course the start yup the fiery with i m. I still have full of tokens by of nassar's biased. I'm distant robotic ambassadors out news. You've also got some remnants from another nasa station that honeysuckle creek. Yes originally there were seven by striking titans in australia. There were two in wetland fire on south style when explains land and free since here in cameron. They saw session bila station for rural valley. Panthers stationed honeysuckle creek which was especially setup to support the apollo missions and had a wing so that so that we could also provide backup support and supports communication with astronauts and swim spice crops but back in the nineteen seventies and eighties consolidation of the tracking stations. Meant as far as down around the country just affects them but we didn't get rid of the dish from hunting craig. It was dates the received and broadcast the world's very first action. I'm from getting on the surface of the moon Great terms the legacy was eventually honeysuckle. Once dish was dismantled moose villa reconstructed and continued. Great work for me cunningness price. Every died until farner back in two thousand ten. And of course you've got a visitor. Centers will visit today about seventy thousand people a year. Come along to see what we do is tracking station. The bright use of the complex in what we do lots of displays mayes missions and omissions the planets and he doesn't both because a lot of cases spicy story for poli. I'm a prized. Possession is an actual pace of monroe flexible on the poll of missing breakpoint. I building is paul's part of the lunar surface of a backup so understanding more about the thoroughly. Multan is spring down me. And i were out there and i love the pace. Picked up the servicemen by puzzle aldrin. And givens what does a thank you gift important. What prior has done spice exploration portion either. The lot block fifty. I take it. No one's ever allowed to touch it. So this particular moon rock is kept in a medically sealed tight there basically protect it from moisture atmosphere and their concert. So so that doesn't degrade it's tempting us special security type of get really up close to it. You literally disseminated y from it but we want to make sure that we can keep that pristine so that each generation can enjoy and Visit look like it's about the size of a duck game the about one hundred and forty seven brand i. It's the dock. Brian appearances has looked a little small holes in little vesicles western from bubbles of gas that was tucked inside the raw during mountain site. And then stuff that. What was the fight. Tiny hers been all over the rock in it is in fact. Panic rock lots of crystallization. Who pardon when building music are primarily the look in content. We're kind of reminds us that it sort of black and orange in fact but the the bright little signing aladdin pave silvery crystals on the that really is a beautiful pace of linderoth vets. Glenn nagel from this camera deep space communications complex and this is space time. I'm stewart gary still the come. Astronomers discover a rare active center in the dock expanse of the outer solar system. And we look at the meaning of the term blue moon. All that and more stood accom on space time your prostate waking you up more often than your alarm clock. The fact is the older. You get the more likely you'll have prostate problems which can affect your everyday. Life that's where prostate complete by real health comes in prostate complete the result of twenty years of experience as a leader in men's health the powerful formula in prostate complete supports natural prostate function and reduced urinary urges for a better quality of life available at walmart visit prostateoneperday dot com for special offers. These statements have not been evaluated. By the fda this product is not intended to diagnose treat cure or prevent any disease. Astronomers have discovered a rare center in the dock expanse of the outer solar system. The discovery reported in the astrophysical journal letters may hope uncover one of the secrets explaining how they can be active so far from the sun where water is frozen solid as the hottest is cintos a tiny frozen bodies wandering through the vast empty spaces between the outer planets jupiter saturn uranus and neptune. They believed to originate. Even further out in the copa built a ring of frozen roads icy debris in comets circling the sun out beyond the orbit of neptune centers occasionally show signs of activity developing comment like features such as a comber entails. Comments develop these features when water is and other volatile. They contain begin to hate up and supplement from frozen solid into gases as they get closer to the sun but cintos obina region of space. Where it's far too cold for water to release sublimate. Only eighteen active sent have been discovered since nineteen twenty seven and much about them remains. Poli understood discovering activity on santo is also challenging because they faint telescope time intensive and because they very rare the authors developed a database search algorithm to locate archival images of centers then undertake follow up observational campaigns will study archive images of essential cataloged. Two thousand fourteen. Og three ninety two which was first discovered in two thousand fourteen. The author isn't that as the coma emanating from the nucleus of the center stretching out some four hundred thousand kilometres one of the study's authors colin chandler from northern arizona university says the technique used observational measurements for things like collar and dust mask combined with modeling efforts to estimate the characteristics of the objects volatile sublimated and dynamics chandler and colleagues in combined this date with new observations acquired using the dark energy camera at the inter-american observatory in chile. The obeyed telescope at the campus observatory. Also in chile and the large monolithic. Imager at the lowell observatory's discovery channel telescope in arizona. The authors analyzed the santo supplementation processes and dynamics lifetime leading them to conclude that the activity was likely being caused by the gassing of carbon dioxide and or mugniyah as a result of the team's discovery center has now been reclassified as a comet and wolf from that one be known as c. Two thousand fourteen three ninety-two pan. Starrs this space. Time still come. We look at the meaning of a blue moon and later in the science report the twenty now on track to become one of the warmest years on record all that and more still to come on space time well because the covid nineteen. I guess like me that she's halloween was probably a bit of a dumper but what did make it. Interesting was the fact that it occurred on a blue moon. Now anyone who bothered to look twilight the send it on all hallows. Eve would have noted that the moon didn't really turn blue but remained. Its usual whitey. Sheila wish kala. What do they call it. A blue moon well. The term refers to whenever there a two full moons in the same calendar month and october head to full moon. senate the first day on october first. okay. I guess most of you already knew that. But what do they call it. A blue moon rather than something else. It seems the modern day usage of the term blue moon to refer to the second full moon of a month wasn't always the case this colorful terms actually collateral. Guth that worked. Its way into the pages of sky and telescope magazine back in march nineteen forty six and then spread to the rest of the world from there. The magazines observing at its diana had a cane and the historical term. Blue moon was more often not an astronomical term in order songs. It was used as a symbol of sadness of loneliness. While once in a blue moon was used colloquially to mean a rare event which after all is what two full moons in the one month really is only exceedingly really is the moon actually turned blue in the sky that usually happens in association with rayleigh scattering buys volcanic eruptions release product goes into the atmosphere of just the right size to preferentially scattered light editors and contributors to sky and telescope magazine traced the traditional astronautical definition to the main farmers almanac of the late nineteen thirties the almanac it would seem consistently used the term to refer to the third full moon in the season containing four full moons rather than the usual three but in nineteen forty six amateur astronomer and frequent contributor disguised telescope go magazine james you pruitt incorrectly interpreted the almanacs description and the second full moon in the one calendar month usage was born sky and magazine finally admitted to its blue moon blooper in its may nineteen ninety nine issue the earliest recorded english usage of the term blue moon is found an anti clerical pamphlet attacking the roman clergy and cardinal thomas woosley in particular but a pair of greenwich fries william roy and jerome ballo back in fifteen twenty eight under the title read me be not rothe say no thing about truth the relevant passage actually reads churchmen and wiley fox's if they say the moon blue we must believe that it's true the intention of peace to be that one's forced to believe anything the priest says even if it's clearly an absently false still by any definition blue moons are still rare they happen on average about once every two point seven years you'll need to wait until august twenty twenty three for the next blue moon historically moons were named after the month they appeared in and traditional english month names equated with the names of the julian calendar soon after christened but over the centuries different cultures of each vote their own names the describe h new moon and these are usually associated with a specific event occurring at that time of year for example the harvest moon and the hunters moon additional names used for full moons in the late summer and the autumn the northern hemisphere usually september and october respectively the harvest moon is the full moon nearest to the northern autumnal equinox in september with the hunters moon being the full moon that follows that in october now depending on where you lived in the world november has its beaver moon ticky moon and frosty moon. The long nights moon was the last full moon of the year in the one. Nearest the winter solstice in december the first full moon of january was referred to as the ice moon the winton or sometimes the wolf moon again depending on your location february so the snow moon the stole moon or even the hunga moon. I guess that depends on how much food was lifted. Winter storage much was traditionally the spring crow seed moons. April would see the pinker egg while depending on where you live. May brewer with the milk. Strawberry mothers moon. June had its made or rose moons as you'd expect. July was the time of the summer. Moon and august was mocked by the corn sturgeon. All men and yes lunar eclipses which always occur on a full moon and often caused the mood to have already shoe to it. I sometimes referred to as blood moons. This space time alone. Anton that a brief look at some of the other stories making news in science this week the science report. We'll be new. Electrical organization says twenty remains on track to be one of the warmest years on record. Despite the formation of alanine where the pattern the organization says la nina typically has a cooling effect on global temperatures but this is being more than offset by the amount of hate trapped in the atmosphere by greenhouse gases la nina refers to a large-scale cooling of ocean surface temperatures in the central and eastern equatorial pacific coupled with changes in tropical atmospheric circulation involving winds pressure and rainfall usually has the opposite effect of an el nino on weather and climate. El nino are warm. Face caused by the so called el nino southern oscillation or enzo the world meteorological organisation's new update says there's a ninety percent likelihood of tropical pacific sea-surface temperatures remaining at la nina levels through to the end of this year and fifty five percent likelihood of that continuing for at least the first quarter of two thousand and twenty one. This is lena is expected to be moderate to strong. The last time. Those are strongly. Nina event was back in two thousand ten and twenty seven that was followed by mutter. Defending twenty eleven. Two thousand twelve new modeling suggests that more than half a million. us lives could be lost to covid. Nineteen by the end of february. Twenty twenty one but that number could be significantly reduced if ninety five percent of americans always wore a face mask in public. The findings were reported in the journal. Nature medicine demonstrate. How almost a hundred and thirty thousand people could be saved if local state and federal governments in the. Us had offered universal face. Masking scientists analyze the spread of the crow virus from the first test case to the september this year. They muddled different scenarios as he non-pharmaceutical innoventions like wearing a face mask. My impacting coming months. They found that even if eighty five percent of the population consistently face masks. They estimate that around ninety. Five thousand lives could still be saved by the end of february so far more than one point three million people being killed and almost fifty million infected by the covid nineteen coronavirus since it first began spreading out of china to the rest of the world a year ago. Okay be honest. How many of you pull out your phones while at the same time watching tv well. A new study reported in the journal. Nature found that molly screening. Maybe bad fuel memory. Scientists have found a link between multi screening and being forgetful. The study's authors say a group of young adults were more likely to show an increase in attention lapses in school badly in memory tests when they reported frequently using multiple devices at the same time such as their laptops phone television. Now the authors can't prove that scrolling through winston while cruising tumbler and streaming netflix will directly affect your memory. But there is such does offer a caution to all those who like me tend to split out digital focus. Scientists have discovered that platypus for glows green under ultraviolet light. The findings reported in the journal. Mammalia represent the first observation of bio fluorescence in an egg laying mammal monitoring suggesting that this extraordinary trait may not be as rare as previously thought. Only two other mammals the apostle and the flying squirrel are known to have further bioluminescence and ultraviolet light invisible light platypus for peace brown but under ultraviolet light scientists of the food museum in chicago discovered that forest. Green or even cnn. Lack the mouse possum and the placental flying squirrel platypuses or is it plateau pie a mostly active during the night and at dawn and dusk every now and then the war of the strain skeptics. Come across some stories which is so bizarre and so out there. They really do deserve a wider audience. It seems a well known. Local psychic claims. Aliens told her that the premiere of the estranged victoria. Daniel andrews has been arrested locked up in guantanamo bay and replaced by a clone australia. A premier is the house majority leader in the house of representatives in the state legislature parliament. That makes him or heard. The political leader of the government of that state under the australian parliamentary system and daniel andrews has achieved a lot of notoriety of late for keeping his state in strict covid nineteen lockdown longer than just about anywhere else in the free world and this psychic claims. She knows what's really been going on. Tim mendham from australia. Skeptics explains shock. Horror revelation is dan andrews clone and that the real dangerous is kind of cheating in guantanamo bay. What's behind that vicious from a lady who It's picking up information from islands all right. I'm communicating things to her about all different things. And i told her that ten andrew snow goes away now is not the real london. Let me see on tv every day. Talking about the problem in victoria. If not the real lamour nice. He is sitting out in guantanamo bay. She's a strange person. This went on. This is a form of sydney nurse that nine year old at first name carryanne. We went mentioned surname. And this is the person that used to be responsible for the health of people. That's exactly the message from extraterrestrials who she calls her team. They had evidence of everything. That's when that dame andrews was arrested and Inputting gitmo shake whole. Feels i think. Toronto vortices Why he was arrested and putting getting now and all the trouble to replace replacing with a client when when they put decline in they. They didn't fix up. The problem is is still the same decline. A looks like it. He w with the store sovan faneuil cruel ban But yes. I climbed everything. It's a strange thing and you really feel for this particular person. He has to silly story it so silly that You really anyone properly would take it seriously. She did have a online station with she was talking to her customers and follows and Charging them twenty dollars a head sand. she was going to reveal a lot of information about aliens tame. I think he did. But you did point out that he is standing landers declined but apparently the kate middleton feature coin debate or something was actually a shape shifter messrs and rice. It's okay. I it's not. The silliest story of the week by any means tell us about the elephant head on mass. How many things are the same mouse. I mean sort of particular face on my other that was really cool and the pyramid ernie region. There's this pyramid. There's this ruined city. There was this face looking like thinks looking back at earth when you're a fourteen year old kid and you see this sort of stops you think. Wow this is amazing. And then you realize there's this thing called paradise and light and shadow from different angles of sunlight and you ought to the full zapata that stage but in the meantime tradition continues skipping Basically dali away you see shapes especially faces and things in things that on points at the man in the moon which is the classic one that people can see faces the same clouds. i've seen clouds. And if you look at a panel point on on your wall you'll see your face depending on which country you're in a mafia. Yeah whatever domain. This particular one was actually. It's an elephant head and trunk and it does look like an elephant doesn't look to me. It also looks like what happens when you trade on a tube of toothpaste. It's so sad probably looks like One lot rocking trump. Doc rock and just the doc rockies bigger than the white rock so you can see a shape around the front so people say this all the time and i do it then again. There was a case recently of a huge insane on antarctica Twenty foot high humanoid paktika for people will say yeah. That's a wookey and that's the ice planet hof right. That's tim mendham from australian skeptics. Did you know that with drizzly. You can get drinks delivered to your door and under sixty minutes with drizzly. The number one alcohol delivery app. You can shop a huge selection of beer wine and liquor including favorites like don julio and bullet bourbon plus you can shop across multiple stores in your area to find what you want at the best prices. Download the app or visit. Drizzly dot com. That's d r. I z l. y. And use code. Save to save five dollars on your first order today. And that's the show for now. Space-time is available every monday wednesday and friday through apple podcasts. I tunes stitcher. google podcasts. 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'There's no end in sight to this'
"Why do I have a headlamp on my head. And why are we sitting in the dark? Where we like blackouts, so you want to pretend that we had a blackout channel. Or you talking like that I like to. Really. Yeah, we're sitting in the dark, pretending that we've lost power and I've headlamp on sitting on the couch. Reading Harry Potter. I get interrupted every maybe fifteen to twenty seconds to explain or Questions do not poke your sister in the high. Okay. Come a little closer, so the question is for. Isla Who is my? Oldest. the question is What is? Corona, virus, It's. A lung virus. What does it do? Can Affect your lungs? And what? What do I do with my job that he's job is to make try to make vaccines to make them feel better. What do you think my job is? To make vaccines were saying what she said. You work in a very fancy office I've been there before we brought them. A lot of snacks can work really well because he eats a whole lot of snacks. Basically I go to work in a really fancy office and eat. Snacks all day. Talking. Yeah. That's his job. This is all told from the Washington Post. In this episode. We pure inside the life of Dr Timothy Sheehan. He's a forty three year old virologist who has been studying ways to stop krona viruses for eleven years. Now he's racing to develop drugs for this current version of the virus that we all know that swept across the world. I work too much. At work. I, think you I think. I'm not saying that it's bad you do I feel like you've worked too much. Because then you're you're there five hours a day and I'm feel so sad. Tim Lives with his two daughters and wife Anna and Hill North Carolina. He's recorded himself from May Twenty first the twenty eighth. Here's Tim in his own words. So. Tomorrow I have to. Talk to you. A GIRBAN business leaders. And The chancellor UNC is invited me to talk about. Our work. Cova dining team. Influential business people I think they're hoping to. Maybe. Partner with them somehow to kind of. Help! People get back to work. Expertise that UNC. Business and public health. Having to shave. And I don't see that often because. What do I have to shave for? Tomorrow actually to. Wear a tie. It is pouring out. And Eleven thirty eight. In time she go to bed. Out here. Lead Arno more disasters. Too. Normally. Used to like listen to. NPR listened to the news on the way to work and. Today, I'm obviously not doing that. But It got to be especially like in January. February, it got to be so depressing. It ended up basically like crying on the way to work every day. which is not really what you you know, the head space you wanted to be when you're. Trying to. Work with deadly viruses. We're trying to basically study. SARS coronavirus to which is the virus that causes covid nineteen. study. It's biology at the same time you know. The lab is Leading an effort to. evaluate the frontline vaccines, antibodies and antiviral drugs so. Just walking the lab the beautiful day the sky is. Kind of blue. Birds are out. Brooke. Thanks? They were. That was unexpected. So I stopped to put my mask on to. Get in the building and the woman that works on my floor that I haven't seen him four months. Because Universities been closed except for us. Stop to thank me hurt. My work. That, never happened. Before the pandemic. Area I am in terrible shape. Going up three flights of stairs with the mask on like, how do people even exercise with these things on? into the lab. Calling area who? Works with me alive. She can do something. Cell Culture so I can do work tomorrow. With the leftover sells them And I can even make the fifty plates if I have to on. Sunday. So they ready on Monday. But. Let's just get through the twenty four plates in the five ninety six or whatever? So, we just finished this call with The Chancellor and lots of business leaders from big companies, big international companies that have home bases here. In North Carolina I think it went pretty well I think people just want to know what to expect as. Things start to open up and how they should. Be Dealing with people returning to work in physical spaces, and it's just really hard to tell people what might be the right thing to do because even if everyone is. Really good about social distancing hand, washing and wearing masks. I think it's just inevitable. As people get together more, that will see new cases. More cases crop up. One. Other thing is that. One of the drugs that we had been working on for the past. Four years. is about to go into clinical trial. here UNC and I think maybe at Johns Hopkins as well. Tim's lab helped develop the drug rim. De Severe, it reduces recovery time for Covid nineteen patients, but it doesn't seem to help. Patients admitted with severe cases of Covid nineteen. is also developed another antiviral drug effective against the coronavirus. It's been fast tracked to clinical trials on his own campus and North Carolina. Normally the things that we do. Aren't. don't usually translate into some product or something that could save somebody's life in their lifetime. So. It's really an interesting thing that's happening now. Having these people getting treated across the street is just mind blowing. We're just turn on NPR and my friend Real Ferret. My mentor is on the radio rogues the hell if any of them could work against. A new emerging krona virus wonder if they're just replaying something that's been. Much either by companies or by the NIH or by reviewers who would review these pack these programs? So. It's almost bedtime, but my kids are outside talking to one of my wife's friends with my wife, so I've got a few minutes of translates with this looping pedal thing that I have. So it is Saturday morning from seven forty eight. A family has gone out to have fun morning from the farmers market. And then go strawberry picking. I am going to work. Go Work in a biosafety level three lab. Finish some experiments that. Didn't get to finish last week. and. To be going strawberry picking. But. Also Nice to finish these experiments that need to get rolled into a paper that we've been working on. Getting back to this journal. So just got to work. and. All the parking spots behind the building. We usually take. All of them are taken. Bub The fact that the parking lot is full means that. Lots of people are doing work. And they're all from the lab that I work in. I'm going in. So like we've known each other for three years now. Tim I think it's time to get serious. I'm going to be your parents. Full right now, maybe never. This whole pandemic thing. I don't WANNA I don't WanNA anybody. So anyway. Work where yeah, we work here. not right now, but right now we're talking about which is work. It is worth. I'm about who'd be, worth. One. Oh Hell Yeah. I had Indian. Indian from the dinner that I missed my family. SHRIMP SOG. Was Pretty Good. So do people like that you know? Are they like thanking you for your work and stuff like that score workers? Is telling me you and. Cheryl our. Say Thank you. Yeah, they see like they get them like honestly I've been trying stuff the like. We don't have a great yet. not to sound like. Not Hope Fold Boys. Getting there, it's getting there. It's slow, but steady progress. What do you WANNA do today? So I have a call at ten so if we want to Google, we have to go. Maybe would have to leave at eight to get for me to get home in time. came up I stayed up until I'm. I think nine thirty some. Were you up so late? Has You on your way into came home. From work. And we wanted to some of climbing time for book. Is Super Funny I live? Read it to me. When I was eating dinner, she read the beginning part, so I could hear it. Did you hear about the Kyla the hair in the bathroom? So, funny. Our GM poppy. Dinner! Where you said. You seem side when I got home. You will home show. It's no fun. Doing Stopping us. The work load is greater than it's ever been the stress of the work because of the nature of the work in the sense of urgency that we're all feeling doing the work is different in greater than it's ever been. so having to choose between. Doing these experiments and writing grants and getting my work done in spending time with my family, and it's not really a good i. don't like that math. There's no way out just got to keep on trying to do your best. It's funny. How like? Doing this kind of reflective. Reflective, talk on the way home I kinda sound like. Solid. Hearing my voice now. But you know back working in the lab. It was actually pretty fun working with Kenny and. Lily so. It's not sad all the time. Just doesn't come through talking like this. As you like this like. Like. Like sound wavy warning. Here's tim talking to his older brother Michael. Do you What have you been thinking of like the media coverage of your little brother? What is it like it's awesome? I think it's funny to read a boat. You know especially the article I thought was was funny and informative at the same time. So that was like a big turning point. A A strange turning point where like. a a bio pick on a virologists. Is like something that would interest the general public. which I never liked that doesn't that's not a thing? I think somebody I can't remember which friend of mine after they had read the G. Q. Story, said something to a effect of of you know finally, scientists are getting their. do or something like that. Yeah. Tim's wife and an epidemiologist which means that she studies how particular diseases specifically impact populations. Here's an reflecting on the attention that Tim's been getting recently. Like I often think about the way I would have handled this. I would have found the pressure so much harder, take. There are so many moving pieces. Nobody knows what's going on. You're learning piece by piece. People are asking you questions. If you have a crystal ball and you have to guess. Ever answer no, and but they want answers and understandable, and you have to give them your best information and say we don't know. The pressure was something that. Really no one In your line of work is sort of ready for it, right? That's the kind of thing you expect in more of a healthcare direct healthcare position, but it suddenly felt like that works. You were doing could. you know have a direct impact on. People around you and it was so overwhelming and. You know the acute sort of attention and stuff fade, but the pressure and your work, the funding of your work the importance of your work is now forever going to be seen in a different light than it was before two thousand twenty. You guess changed for you. I don't know I think. I'm like mediocre, but everything now. I was pretty mediocre using before, but let's. I think like it's hard to be home and be present and be a good dad. It's hard to try and help teach your kids when they're home from school and balanced with a mountain of work. Is never done. By your being way too hard on yourself I still think even in the midst of this crazy time where there's so much change in your work in so much importance. In the work you're doing. You're still super president with the kid who still our home most nights making dinner, and then you put help, because then you go back and you work till like one in the morning every night. It's not sustainable but. Also. Clear maximizing your time with and I. Don't think you're you're doing badly at. I think like one of the things that's been hard for me to deal with his like. There's no end in sight to this to what I'm doing now like. Yeah. thanks to him for sharing recordings that were condensed and produced by me bishops and This episode was edited by Lin. 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Worst Belichick Move Ever? | Greg Bedard Patriots Podcast with Nick Cattles | Boston Sports Journal
"Episode number to the Greg Bedard Patriots podcast with Nick cattles here. Thanks for joining us. As always. It is much appreciated the Greg Bedard Patriots podcast with Nick cattles a sponsored by a bet u s support Boston Sports Journal by calling one eight hundred seventy-nine bet us and get set up today. Be sure to tell them as a sports journalist sent you and Greg man since the last time we spoke a lot of news happening. Let's start with Mohamed Sanu on this very podcast our first episode you had said keep an eye on a new he might be gone because of the money well now we look up and he's gone Greg. Yeah, Nick. I just think that it's sort of along the lines that we talked about and and in the first episode we talked about like, you know, he's he's making six and half million dollars a year and really what are you getting for that six million dollars extra that you that you that you wouldn't be getting from Jacoby Myers or a Devon Ross or a gunner of schefsky who are other options for sort of the bottom of the receivers. And when you look at it, you know, n'keal Harry obviously is going to be on the team. Julian Edelman is obviously going to be on the team. Now what you're saying Mohamed Sanu is your number three receiver all of a sudden. Look how slow they are. I mean they I mean it could be the slowest receiving Corps in the history of the league, So he wasn't going to be one of your top three receivers you were going to have to put somebody else with speed out there along with that group and considering this teams going to play a lot with multiple tight-end wage. Fullbacks and things like that that could happen. So it's it's like so so what are we doing here? And I think that the I think the fellow check made the right choice in terms of not compounding is error of sending a second round pick which actually ended up going to the Ravens when all of a sudden sudden will help them compete against you this year and paying a six and a half million on top of that that just would have been it just would have been done and I'm glad that bill made that choice. I don't think the team is sustained substantially hurt without him to new on the team. I think it helps along the lines of making them faster going into this year, which they need to do across-the-board and I think it was a no-brainer. I mean you look at this trade to go back to that in a second before we continue the discussion about the wide receivers now currently and what this team has on its roster. This was a major with to put it nicely Belichick. I think this is one of the worst trades he's ever made as the head honcho in New England giving up the second round pick for a guy who played eight or nine games and Greg when they made that truck last year a lot of the justification as far as what they paid to bring Sanu in was because he had that extra year on his contract versus Emmanuel Sanders. Well now that doesn't matter you gave up the second round pick and you did not get that extra year from Sanu. Yeah, I went back and I listen to I think I was on felger & Mazz the day that the trade went down and I I I went back and I looked at what I wrote but also what I said on a show and I did I thought it was an overpaid at the time because some of the people Justified it by saying well It's in and I do think the second year was part of the equation for Belichick and why he didn't go for Emmanuel Sanders and I get that, you know, but some of the justification from Patriots Falcons was okay. Well, he's got the two years plus you're going to get a compact compact form and and I argued against that at the time saying like he's going to be 32 by the time he's a free agent after the 3 years who's going to give up who's going to sign up for much of anything at that point. So what kind of calm pic are you getting? I do think it was a it was a major blunder. When you combine it with the long brown decision. It's just it was just a complete disaster a receiver last year and I do I I don't think it's too much of a leap Nick and Jake's know if you agree with this, but I don't think it's too much of a leap to say that but between Antonio Brown and then Mohamed Sanu the combination of neither of those things working were sort of the last nail in the coffin. For Brady leaving. I think if if an Antonio Brown came here and worked out I think that you know, and that's that's a lot of ifs because we know what kind of disaster that guy is off the field, but if that would doubt even if Sanu came here and help put them over the top and all of a sudden they're in the AFC Championship game or in the Superbowl then maybe Brady is still here, but the combination of those things and plus the frustration of fact, he had all training camp with lukewarm thrown too. I mean, you know, they they get rid of Demaryius Thomas, you know, he was the one guy who who who actually had some skins on the wall, that could do something then Antonio Brown field and then Mohamed Sanu and I think the Brady part of his equation at the end of the season, I do not think he was he had one foot out the door the entire time last year and I do think that actually thought there was some softening before he decided to leave but that being said, I think everything that went on last year as far as Personnel just LED Brady to be like, you know what I'm sick dog. To Camp every year and I got Joe sloppy that I'm throwing to the defense has eight deep on the defensive side. I can't even get a backup, you know Center to play with me off and I'm sick of Bill saying me and Josh you're going to get a figured out. I'm sick of figuring out. How about you? Give me some people to work with from the get-go instead of patching it together. And I think that was the final nail in the coffin. I said Brady said, that's it. I'm leaving. Yeah, I think that was part of it. Ultimately Greg. I don't think he re-signs with New England because New England was not going to go to the two years and everything that I read Brady was more upset about the lack of a commitment from that team and Belichick most notably. That's why he left so I don't think Belichick was going to give him the kind of contract at Tampa stepped up and gave him and good for Tampa, but also good for Belichick. I don't think Belichick should have extended himself two years for a guy who's 43 years old for as great as Brady has been at some point. You've got to cut it off and be responsible to the organization. I think Brady wage Get paid for what he had done versus what he was going to do. So I have no issue with Belichick saying no, we're not going to give you the two years in Tampa. Listen Bruce Arians. He had to do what he had to do. Right? That's a that's an organization that has consistently they needed somebody and you can see it. You know, we're going to get into the Leonard fournette stuff. But you know, that's the trickle-down effect of bringing somebody in like Brady. Nobody was dying to go to Tampa before Brady thier one last thing about the wide receiver situation Greg. We talked about it over a text last night. It seems to me that the timing is not going to be great for the Patriots to try to acquire somebody from outside organization. Maybe a Curtis Samuel some people think he is available. He has that link with Cam from his Carolina days, but what about the evaluating of the position and where the Patriots are at now? I mean when you look back Belichick's history with evaluating wide receivers. Yeah, he hit on Edelman he hit on Branch he hit on Mitchell. Unfortunately the knee stopped his career. He hit on evaluating West Palm. And you could even give them credit for David Givens. But when you look at it, most guys that he brings into play that position to be a one or two guy. They haven't worked out, correct. Yeah, and and you know, I don't know how much blame to give him. I mean obviously he gets some of it it's his show. I do think part of it has to do with them, you know sort of the transition from college to Pro, you know, but some people will argue that it's never been easier to identify wide receivers coming out of college because they throw so much now I saw how many wide receivers went in the draft this year. How many went in the first couple of rounds and of course the Patriots just sat out and didn't take one in the draft so long. I mean if if I were Belichick and of course, I'm not and I don't have you know, eighteen million Super Bowl rings and he has those for reason but I do think that you know, I do think that black belt extremely smart. I think he constantly looks at these things so it's not like You know, it's not like they make these mistakes and they just did they don't revisit them. They revisit them all the time. I'm just surprised he hasn't turned that over to say Josh McDaniels to say, you know, what you pay income and all select them in whatever. I I will say that some of that goes on sometimes Belichick doesn't you know, he still sides with the defense and we'll take defense over offense, but I think it's it's been a problem. And now the team is where it is. I mean, I I don't I know the the names don't jump off the page two people but I kind of like the group that they have is off the right trigger man. I don't know well see, you know, and and by the way if the people saying Nick Randy Moss, come on known commodity Hall of Fame receiver Brandin Cooks known commodity from New Orleans. I'm talking about guys that were invested in brought in and thought they were going to be able to do the job and they were incapable of doing that. So you like the wide receiver group for all intents and purposes what they have on that roster right now. Let's move to running back right because the other part. Use that we've heard recently Damien Harris. He has a pinkie injury. He's going to be out for a few weeks. Sounds like he's definitely going to be out week one against Miami. How does that affect the backfield the New England long as they get ready with Cam back there, you know needing help I think from the Run game. Yeah, this is Nick it's going to be this is and they run into this every year so they used to it. But this this further complicates the final 53-man roster deliberations, cuz it's like okay, you know in from the people that I've talked to they're not overly concerned about the Damien Harris injury, you know, I told a couple of weeks so yeah, he's probably out week one there is still a lot of excitement about what he can do in the backfield. So he is still in the plans wage. I really hope this doesn't knock them on the pop or anything like that. I I would hope not but that's going to be part of the conversation in the part of the conversation is also going to be what do we do with Lamar Miller who is activate off. Off of Pop, I think since the last time we talked yeah before you move on to Miller I want to ask you about that. Were you surprised like when I saw Lamar Miller come off the pup I was figuring. Well, you know, maybe I'd their time with him leave him on there, you know open up a roster spot and then when he was absolutely ready to take him off, I was a little surprised by the fact that they decided to know. Let's take him off the p u p right now. He's yeah Nick, I don't really know the background on this specific case, but you know, I know a lot of fans like to talk about like what didn't they just leave them on pop then they could still well, there's two sides of this coin. There's also the players side and that's going to Lamar. You know, Lamar Miller wants to be probably wants to play and he probably wants to get paid like per game roster bonuses so you can get new situation where say the team I'm sure the Patriots would have been happy if he stayed on pop up for a half the season and he would have gotten paid but you know, you know, maybe Lamar Miller's chomping at the bit and off. Of a sudden if the Patriots don't and basically the rule is you come off pup as soon as you pass your physical and so if Lamar Miller's agent in Lamar Miller thought that he was healthy enough to pass physical they could file a grievance with the league and it could get messy and so it's the Patriots don't really have the ultimate Choice really the ultimate choice is with the player and she must have you must have felt ready to go and and you know, so it was a little bit of a surprise but I do think it I think it complicates things as far as roster cut down cuz now Jake Harris is down for a week or two. Now. What do you do? You keep Lamar Miller and that access somebody else at another position. When you looking to be talking about behind the scenes when you look at your 53, I mean, the ultimate question is Muslim our Miller. Does he have a spot? Does he have a place on this team right now? On my final fifty-three, which I just finished. I'll be right enough for bsj. I do not have them on the team. I have running backs on the team. Yep. I have Sony Jake white Harrisburg head as the four running backs My Hope and this will also be something that will probably talk about at some point My Hope Is that veterans? Like say Brian Hoyer a call back which I ultimately decided to release him to steal a spot for others on the roster that Brian Hoyer Lamar Miller, maybe some other veterans agree to come back on the practice squad. I protect them every week and then all of a sudden you have a built-in taxi Squad they're going to they're going to have to do a lot of selling. I think I think teams across the league with these new rules with the cobit. They're going to do a lot of selling where they come to these players and they say look, I know I know this hurts right now. I know you probably thought you weren't a spot you probably did but this is a numbers game right now, and we want to park you on the practice squad. Because we're going to need you. We it's just one of those years. Yeah, and you know, the the cobit circumstances the quarterback thing is very interesting. We've heard guys like Bruce Arians and others talk about maybe quarantining a quarterback just in case because the quarterback room guys are close to each other. You don't know how Covetous going to affect it. Now with all of that said Greg the evidence in front of us right now is that the truck was doing a great job with covid-19. You're looking at Camp who has the injury history instead of who was dealing with an injury. Just going back a few days ago. Yeah, it is. It's it's going to be a similar situation in when they they were last year where they were probably confident that nobody was going to claim Brian Hoyer or sign him and then all of a sudden the Colts came out of nowhere near you know part of it had to do with the Andrew Luck thing. I don't think and you know, you know, what's helping in this situation with a Brian Hoyer as opposed to years prior is that there have been open choosing games? So there haven't been any injuries at quarterback across the league. We're normally, you know, we've lost about you know, four or five quarterbacks by an hour, you know, at least backup quarterback things like that and preseason games. And so if there was any chance where somebody was not going to sign Brian Hoyer and they could get him back on the practice squad and sell that took this would be the year. I don't think there's a Colts team out there, you know hockey him but the X Factor is if you're the Buffalo Bills And if I were the Buffalo Bills, I would absolutely sign Brian Hoyer just to screw the Patriots and and I would yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's it's a great call. It's a fair point. No doubt. If you're Sean McDermott your thoughts about it Greg Bedard Patriots podcast with Nick cattles hear the second episode of our podcast Venture will get to bet us in a couple of minutes Greg, but I do want to ask one more thing before I move out of the bigger picture of the team and and maybe where you think they they fall into the you know slot as far as the AFC with a lot of predictions coming out over the last couple of days on various websites Power Rankings and such. Where do you think the running back position goes from here? Like, how do you have it? How do you have it falling? Like do you think hey Harris comes back if he's healthy. He is right back to being the number one, or is it going to be now Michelle's job to lose once again because of the Harris injury Well, I think I think what happens is obviously Sony is the the starter to start the year and he has a chance to you know, maybe put some distance on on Damien Harris and all that but I think I think it's it's it's normally how it goes this time of year, which is Damien Harris will come back. He'll get some carries and then it's a competitive situation where they sort of wage look at. All right, who's the hot hand who's doing better? And and I think I think what happens is Sony's playing time is like this Harris comes back. It's sort of evens out. Yeah, and then they sort of make a choice who's are laid-back who's not our lead back that sort of thing. So it's definitely Sony's ball to start. He's going to have to keep it though because he's got actual real competition now. All right off Craig's thoughts on whether or not he thinks this team should be ranked higher than it's been ranked by a lot of different Outlets National local everywhere A lot of people again putting out their power off. Kings in their in their playoff teams and all of that but before we get to that let's get to us, correct. I listen up Sports Bettors. This is Greg Bedard here to tell you about my favorite sport sports book and that's bet u s football basketball and baseball all back and that means it's time to get down your bets if you got in your that's down. I'm going to get my bets down as we get closer to the football. I saw I see your Celtics you'll see you got the Celtics shirt. And when I saw that the Celtics for game three, I bet u s our favorite they're down. They're underdogs by two points. What do you think about that long? Yeah. I mean, I would not be surprised if Toronto wins game three. 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Yeah mention mention the G-Man mentioned Greg Bedard, they'll love you. They'll say, oh wait a minute you a hell of a deal and also Boston Sports Journal that we'll also they'll also hook you up. There you go. Boston Sports channel, as always. All right big picture here, you know, I've been seeing stuff Greg all over the interwebs the last few days about this team, you know, bleacherreport.com Eating them. I think it was Nineteen as a staff in the NFL you go back to the ESPN football power index. They had the Patriots around 9 or 10 in the league as far as a playoff hopes and overall ranking. Is this a playoff team? You pretty confident there a playoff team. Are you kind of wavering? What do you thinking going in here? Absolutely. I I to me there is little doubt that they took our playoff with 9 mm with you a hundred percent. Yep. Yeah. I mean, I don't know what sure it's not, you know, it's not your older cousins Patriots team, you know, it's going to look a whole lot different but change can be good and and look at the look. They have a great secondary you have a they have a could be a great offensive line. They should be able to run the ball. I was actually texting with my crease earlier today. We were talking about some stuff and I said, you know I said this team this team needs to rush for three thousand yards this year and month. You know the Ravens set the record, I think it was last year or two years ago. They said it at about thirty four hundred yards. I think at the Patriots get to the upper ranges of you know, 2829 hundred. I think I think they're on course to have a successful season. They're going to need to have the lead they are going to need to play good defense, but you also have one of the best coaching staffs in the league. And yes, there's there hasn't been a lot of continuity on offense. They're going to have to work through some things but so is everybody else. I mean everybody else is as in the same bucket and while I don't think Bill Belichick is invaluable. He's pretty damn good at what he does and I have a lot of confidence in what he does. There are two people I never bet against Tom Brady and Bill Belichick and Tom Brady's gone, but Belichick is still here. So I have a lot of confidence said and and also Nick the other thing is, you know, what do you think the divisions going to do? Yes, Buffalo is going to be good. You know, we'll see how far Josh Allen can take him. I'd rather have Cam Newton dog. Josh Allen, but that's me the Dolphins speak to that's me to the Dolphins have had a ton of changes in their front seven and other places that's going to be a work-in-progress the Jets of the Jets. You know, I don't have a lot of confidence in Adam gase as the head coach. I like them as an offensive coordinator. So all of a sudden you combine the coaching staff with the strengths of this team with that secondary not a lot of teams are going to run away from the Patriots. So, you know, you get Bill Belichick and Josh McDaniels into a close game. They're going to win more often than not and if they you know, 9 and 7 a.m. And 6 at least, you know, they're going to be in the ballpark. So I see them and with an extra playoff spot this year. So I I would put my confidence at about 95% off. The Patriots are going to make the playoffs issue. Yeah. I had this conversation with Andy Hart today and I think there are playoff team. I bottom of the barrel Mark is just like yours nine-win team. I think that's the dog. First you will see I think they'll be around nine or 10 wins everything falls into place. Everything goes perfect eleven wins, maybe but that's everything going perfectly Pro Football Focus ranked this defense as the former best in the league this week. I don't know if they're that good but they're really good. They're secondary is I think Elite so with that defense with the Run game we talked about this an episode one, you know, they're going to play differently. This is not going to be the shootout Patriots. This is going to be a different brand of football. I don't hate it do what you have to do to win. I agree with you on the coaching staff and you talked about the division. What about this conference? I mean that's conference aside from Kansas City in Baltimore the rest of the AFC it's not great every single team you can list at least one question if not two or three and especially at the quarterback position. So I just think there's lots and lots of questions. I do think people are under estimating this team just a little bit. Let's move on to the boss which one one more thing before on that wage. Do people forget what the Titans did last year? I mean the Titans came in here. They made a run. They can't came in here ran the Patriots and Tom Brady, you know off their own home field went to Kansas City had a lead if I remember correctly and then the then the Chiefs went on their run like they did against Texans also, but you're talking about right near tanyhill. They the Titans have a good offensive line. How many weapons can you name on the Tennessee Titans last year? How many Defenders they certainly did not have the secondary that the Patriots did and my boss was pretty damn good but he ain't Bill Belichick and they're offensive coordinator isn't Josh McDaniels either so, you know, basically, I think I think the Titans are sort of the blue print off what the Patriots can do and play bully ball and and and keep the the scores close and sort of grind games out and that's that's the formula and I think they're ahead of the game. Then where the Titans were a year ago. Yeah. I mean, it's high and sat AJ Brown which would be the one thing that the stud number one guy who could have explosive plays but I agree with you overall you look at home team very very similar, which is why I think the Patriots were interested in Leonard fournette, or at least placed a phone call because again that that idea of downhill with Cam pounding defenses, of course, he went to Tampa. Let's look at some quickly quickly will look at some changes that you have to your 53 we talked about Brian Hoyer Lamar Miller possibly released hopefully signed to the practice squad received. You've got Jacoby Myers for Sanu and you have Jeff Thomas being waived. Why is it Myers? Yeah. I just think that he's just steady. He knows the offense. Jeff Thomas is a guy who hasn't been on the practice field a ton this summer. So it's already going to be uphill for him. And I just think that I think the Meijer what he did last year is more consistent wage. Build off that he's a little bit more of a known commodity and I think they need that in the receivers. And I think yeah, you know, it's going to be a risk waving Jeff Thomas, you know in his speed but then again, you know, nobody drafted him. Nobody. Nobody else signed him. I don't think he got a huge bonus from the Patriots. So the interest wasn't great. And so, you know, the hope is you get him to come back you sign him to practice squad and develop him and you know, I think that's sort of the best place for him cuz there aren't any padded roster spots this year. Yeah, people know that you're one of the best talking about offensive line played because a lot of people actually want to do the work and look at the offensive line and all that. It does stick out to me that you're keeping cajuste T and you're getting rid of Cunningham. I've read a lot of good stuff about Cunningham and how he could be the swing tackle. Why you going with cajuste here instead? Yeah that that that was another sort of coin flip for me. I just think that could use was you know, he was a third-round pick last year. He was hurt all last month. You got off to a really rough start and training camp, but I did see some flashes and he Nick I'm telling you. He looks the part. He looks he looks like a future tackle and including would possibly left tackle ability cord Cunningham's done a really nice job this year. He got off to a fast start and sort of slumped. So it's it's a coin flip for me. And it's sort of guess work because we haven't seen the last week of camp and really that's that would probably determine it but I'm just going to go with the last visions that I saw was could use of going up Cunningham going down, you know, I want to see if I get a little bank for that third round pick and you know, if worst comes to worst if there is an injury at tackle, um, you know, I do have Joe Cooney that I can can move out there. I can't sign a veteran tackle. I have options. I just You know, I'm just going with the youth and sort of the upside of cajuste to keep on the roster. All right one last one before we get to our Boston Sports channel, member question of the day, you are not trading Joann Williams. You are keeping him over Terrence Brooks and Terrence Brooks. I think we had this discussion episode one. You're not wavering. I've read a lot of good things about Brooks, but you're not so long is this team? Yeah, you know, I keep that's this is another position and you get down to like these last three or four spots and it's almost a coin flip and there's a lot of things that we don't know what's going on behind the scenes. I really like Terrence Brooks. I want them around I would like them on this team and but it is a it's it's a pretty big shock if you've been out at practices year that I have them off my final 53 because he he was a starter, you know, you didn't hear me say that but he was he was on the field the whole time other guys who page A lot on this team. So if you just watch practice you'd be like well that guys on the team but Belichick does these sort of things in Calhoun could be another guy that's like that. I just think I decided that the end of the day Adrian Phillips wasn't on the on the field. Maybe the Patriots were hiding him a little bit not quite to the the Moss stature of 2007 when he didn't practice very much, but I just think they signed here's my rationale and then they sign Adrian Phillips for reason in the offseason. I think this would this is Jake before Chung opted out and they saw him as an upgrade over somebody and I think it was Terrence Brooks and I think they're going to stick with that. And also I like Joann Williams. I like his versatility. He's a swimmer. I'm only keeping five cornerbacks I think and so if there is an injury there Williams covers you he can go over to cornerback he can do that. Plus he can cover tight ends dead. Big tall receivers tight ends were other guys can't really do that for so for that reason. I'm keeping you on Williams and the guy I'm releasing is Terrence Brooks. I just woke up Adrian Phillips. I want to see what he can do in this defense. Yeah, the cornerbacks you mentioned. You've got Gilmore Jones Jackson McCoy D and Bethel and then cut is Ross Jackson and Brian. All right, let's get to the Boston Sports Journal phone number question of the day check us out over at bsj for $0.11 a day on our annual plan. You have access to Greg Sean McAdam Brian Robb Conor Ryan. Dr. Jessica Flynn and many more to come back Sports coverage the way you remember it. No clickbait. No BS no politics just straight top-notch analysis of your teams from a team and company that is all and they mean all New England. Let's talk about Don. I bought a question here Greg a good discussion Point here. No doubt. Is this the worst trade for a veteran that we've seen with this new deal? Okay. Well Nick, let me you're more of a Patriots fan off. Than I am. So maybe they're maybe there's a couple what do you think of the candidates now when I and I I'll give you my answer and I will say that I borrowed from Uncle Jerry Thornton over our Boss Mar store cuz he didn't do this and I did look at his list because you know, of course, he's written books on the Patriots and things like that. What's your vote? I don't know how I don't know how I'll just read you off what Jerry has a sort of his list. Okay has let's see unfortunately you to choose from Grog forward Garoppolo for a second rounder. I think that's definitely on the list Chandler Jones for second round pick and Jonathan Cooper. I didn't have a problem with that one because they weren't going to sign a Jones to a big money deal so they had to get something and they got a second. So, you know, that's good. See more for a first-round pick. I think that's good value. I don't have a problem. Yeah. Yeah. I took a V and a 6 for for Chad Ochocinco. I don't really care. I mean he didn't a lottery ticket. Yeah, I'll skip over my winner 3rd and 3rd in a swap of fish forging Starks. I don't even remember doing Starks. I don't even secondary. Yeah Deion Branch for a first-round pick you could make that job. You mean you could make the argument but I mean, I think if you can trade a receiver for a number one pick if that receiver is not like a top ten guy in a league. Then I can't really go crazy about the value. It's the fact that they were really replaced Branch when they moved on from him, right right right away. Yeah that that was the thing. Yeah, so they didn't have a good plan behind that injuries winter was a V for Albert Haynesworth and we all know hainsworth was terrible when he was here. And he basically I just I don't I don't lose my mind. If you talk about like V topic sixth-round picks seventh-round picks out of the ones that you named I would probably say this a new ones pretty bad because they were up against it with Jimmy. They had to I think they had a deal Garoppolo because of spot that Brady put them in by defying age for so long. So could they have gotten a bit more? I don't know maybe supply-demand but where they were I mean, I think the biggest beef about the Garoppolo trade was If you pulled the trigger in the preseason, then would you have received more than what you got because San Francisco knew they had the leverage at that point that that's that's the biggest question about that deal. Yeah, we could go off deep on the Jimmy G deal at some point. But you know, I I think the only other one that approaches this for me is Logan Mankins for Tim Wright and a fourth round pick and choose the only the only way you can defend Bell check in. This deal is that they went on to win the Superbowl that year despite making the pic but I just thought I didn't think they got enough for Logan Mankins, but I think back to me. I think that this new deal was worse than all of them. I just think it's it was it was that bad they got they got nothing they wasted they wasted a second round pick for eight games and you don't have that you would have four years of control for wider. I mean in a head was funny as I listen to the audio from the felger & Mazz discussion that we had on that and and I said I said, You're giving up a second-round pick for this guy. Like you can't find a receiver in the draft that you can I can give you more than what's news going to give so, you know, I guess I was right at the time but it is what it is. I thought it was an overpaid. I didn't hate it as much as other people. I thought Sanu would bring something to the team, but I mean hindsight's 20/20 looking back at that deal. That was awful. But Hey, listen, what's the new deal was awful? They released him the Harris injury not great news, but both Greg, and I we believe this team is a playoff team the Greg Bedard Patriots podcast with Nick cattles it is, of course sponsored by bet u s support Boston Sports Journal by calling one eight hundred seventy-nine bet u s and yet set up today. Be sure to tell them that Boston Sports Journal sent you Greg. It's been a great time and look forward to the 3rd podcast of this Venture and we'll actually be talking about football and to match up in Miami Dolphins. Miyami traveling to Gillette Stadium until next time. Thanks Greg and we'll catch up with you. It's the Greg Bedard pay off. podcast with the cattle
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To today's conversation we just left off with trauma explaining why companies prioritized innovation productivity hiring the right people can theoretically succeed and even contribute to shrinking some of the negative impacts of wealth disparity but for every company. That is doing the right thing. There's a company that is not doing the right thing so we're going to start this conversation by talking about why those companies that should fail sometimes. Don't then we'll talk about why. Those Zombie companies seem to get endless. Second chances the role of here's where the government machine might be selling short and so much more moss why are these companies that aren't prioritizing innovation and prioritizing productivity failing they're not failing because there is enough debt in the world and there are enough banks in the world and there are enough of this debt bat will allow these companies to basically stay on life support so meaning when a company is sort of like losing money and hemorrhaging money if their product is fundamentally flawed which is a small strain. They go bankrupt and they liquidate and then they go away and they disappear but most companies fall into different grey zone the belly which is like eighty percent of companies which is sort of. You know what I call. Zombie companies and the Zombie. Companies are ones where you know some quarters break even some quarters a little bit of profit. Most quarters are unprofitable and instead of saving money and investing it in the future they become very short-term because they don't have any good ideas and this is where you know. Ibm is a is a perfect poster child for this Ibm as a company over the last fifteen years or so twenty years they they spent one hundred and forty billion dollars on buybacks. It's one hundred billion dollar revenue company it just printed its worst quarterly revenue since nineteen ninety eight. The last CEO who just stepped down she oversaw twenty. Four straight quarters of revenue decline yet. Saw her compensation go up? She made more than one hundred million dollars just on stock and so you know I mean. That just doesn't seem doesn't seem right to meet so if we think about this like say a game of Jenga this system of Zombie like IBM light companies. What what peace do we need to pull out to dismantle this corrupted version of the system that we're now engaged with is it. Removing debt from the equation is it. I don't know disincentivising buyers of of what. What can we pull on to fix this? I think that there are. There are probably three things that our highest priority. The first is that I think we need to have much stricter limits on what a balance sheet needs to look like to be rated as high quality debt number two is we need to disincentivize people from not investing in the future you do that by preventing buybacks and dividends only in cases where these companies have enormous amount of profit. And then the third is you need to create positive incentives so that you can capitalize your rnd better so that for example in Canada if you hire engineers to work on cutting edge things you get a tax credit from the Canadian government. That is up to almost three times the salary of what you pay folks and so there's a deep incentive to focus on long-term are indeed because it effectively subsidizes the cost of these people so those kinds of positive incentives combined with some more financial handcuffs would go an enormously long way. Those are what I would do I. Then what you can do is all of the participants in the market that may amplify short-term behavior. You can handcuff 'em a little bit more and the way that you do that is you. You just don't allow these hedge funds to have as much leverage as they do and the way that that game works. Is You know they get paid? A percentage of the profits. They make an every year. And so you know what they want to do. Those do that in the most risk way possible so they figure out a strategy where you know maybe they can make one percent a year and you. It's h mouth. Will one percent a year is not that great now? It's Kinsey right while then. What I'll do is I'll go to the bank and I'll get JP Morgan to lever me up twelve times and now that one percent twelve percent. And that's what happens all day long again. These incentives are set up. Where the bigger you are the less likely you are to fail because nobody can afford for you to fail. So the incentive is to get incrementally valuable to the system as it is because then somebody will bill you out right like it's this old adage if I owe the bank dollars it's my problem but if I owe the bank of billion dollars that's their problem and so you're incentivized to have massive obligations and massive leverage because you know somebody will be forced to come to your rescue so if you grow large enough. You can't theoretically outgrow resurrect you. You really do become too big to fail okay. Big Question but first we're gonNA take a quick break to hear from my partner. Sometimes I swear I could run this podcast. 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Greens dot com slash morning brew and now back to the conversation with Moth polly how does the government inject itself into these companies? While they were up to me and I had to say what I would say is the following. The first thing that we need is an entire wave of spending on the next generation set of things that we would all expect. I think you and I deserve. It doesn't mean whether we're good. People are bad people. You mean everybody else. We deserve Best in class healthcare. We deserve the best in class education system. We deserve a military apparatus. That's set up for the next generation You know we deserve a bunch of things and what that requires is money the. Us government has just proven that they're willing to spend enormous amounts of money so we should spend it on this kind of stuff because it gets people working it focuses on productivity and innovation and it'll force the money to go downstream to people. That's what I think we need to do in the long term in the medium term. We need to be a bridge and without quibbling about what's happened now because that money has already been spent what I will say is a disproportionately larger piece of the next dollar that gets spent by the. Us government should go to people's pockets. Because I think that the damaged individuals is much worse than understood or forecasted. I think it's ripping apart the working class in the middle class in a way that we will figure out only in a quarter or two from now and it'll be it'll be savage and I think that they need direct payments right and I've heard you say before that this is basically our experience in the last. Two months has been the metaphorical ripping a band aid. That we now feel a little bit more comfortable ramping up. A two point two trillion dollar relief package to send money to Americans. Do you see this happening realistically. Do you see this happening again. Do see US getting another check in the mail or it's it's so just to put it in perspective it's two point two trillion in which is now two point six trillion of fiscal stimulus. But it's been I think. Eight or nine trillion of monetary system by the Fed. So you know we. We've spent ten or eleven trillion so if you think about the totality of that you know we have spent more buying bonds of companies meaning you and I through the Fed than we have giving economic support to our brothers and sisters so I think it's like three or four cents of every dollar has gone into individual pockets so we could probably do better than that in a noncontroversial way. So is it safe to say that? This billionaire owner class has gotten more of those cents on the dollar. Then I have as like a hard middle-class. Yeah I mean look to be honest with you like I have really in this kind of weird way like been decently effected through this whole thing. I've kind of thrived. I hate to say that Because they feel guilty about it. I mean to be honest with you. I I have these massive bounce of anxiety because I. I haven't lived in the shoes of my current self long enough and so I bring too much baggage of my old self and my old self was the kid that saw their parents really struggling and It's pretty devastating. So what I would tell. You is disproportionately benefited. Should I know I know the game and nobody was going to step in for me when I was trying to. You know climbing up and I knew that and I was okay with it and now that I'm here. I just think it's I duNNo. It's like it's not doesn't have to be this way Yeah I would rather the younger version of meek taken care of before the older version of me. 43-year-old Jamaa is okay. He's fine Nina. Help twenty year old Timothy Needs. Help you know sixteen year old Timothy so so there should be. It should be more that so there's the conversation of WHO NEEDS HELP. I class or the working class but I think there's also a conversation around. Should that billionaire owners class even exist in the first place? And I'm going to ask you if you think billionaires should exist shortly but first let's take a quick break to hear from our partner. I WANNA take a minute to talk about our sponsor policy genius. Polcy GENIUS ISN'T INSURANCE. Marketplace is here to help you navigate buying life insurance and there's no denying that right now the world feels unpredictable. And frankly kind of scary. But on a more positive note many of us have taken a baking or adopted a new cat or dog and acted with more compassion than ever and during this uncertain time. Americans are also thinking how life insurance can help them. Prepare for the future now. I never really given much thought to life. Insurance but policy genius was there to answer all of my questions and find the best plan for me. 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Never became rich. You know at least the people that I know and now I know enough folks that have done things across many industries you know we were all just really insecure people trying to do something and to varying degrees. We were rewarded. And I think you want that example for your kids and your kids his kids because that's healthy. It would kind of be like saying you know. Let's let's have an NBA. Where if you're as good as Brian James you should just. You're only allowed to play five minutes a game. I mean that would make the NBA brutal. You wouldn't watch the NBA. So you know an America where you say. The smartest people can't do what they're naturally inclined to do because they may accidentally make a ton of money is kind of ludicrous. So we've we've talked at length about equality of opportunity in this conversation. But what about the role of luck and you can be a hard worker. But there is something to be said for the harder you work. The luckier you get but also like lightning struck. You know. I agree with this buses. Say there's a cloud above you okay. And that cloud has a magic drop of rain and when it hits you become successful. You're goal is to make sure that you are as large as possible so that when that when that drop of rain falls down it has the best chances of hitting you. Okay right versus the person beside you. That's what I like into hardware cardboard kind of makes your surface area as big as possible so that raindrop can hit you. Luck is a very strange beast but what is true? Is that if you are kind of in the grind and putting in the time you improve your chances of that of that of luck being by your side okay. Now the the in that analogy. Let's assume that in this area where this cloud is. You can't get big okay. Well that is a problem because then I agree with that idea. Because that's kind of like saying. Wow No matter how hard you work you can increase your surface area so I think we have to fix that versus shooting. The cloud hadn't saying get the cloud. It's not the so instead of an instead of anointing winners and losers. It's how do we allow ourselves to get a little bit so that we can get bigger? I Wanna I thank you for your transparency in this conversation before I let you go. We are going to bring out our a business casual wheel quickly and play Some rapid fire questions get to know you a little bit a little more insight into what you're like so we are doing this remotely. I'm going to spin the wheel for you and I'll let you know what it lands on all right day in the life. So what is day in the life like for you right now? In the Cova Dear Cova era. I wake up at seven. Basically quickly quickly. I looked through my email. look the public markets. And then I go downstairs. I make breakfast. I come back upstairs. Eat in bed. Spend a few more minutes kind of thinking about what I need to get done. I get ready. I mean this is very detailed but Love it and get ready for a while. I mean so brutal. It's like I was kind of like a a bit of a Dandy before he used to dress really well and you know used to take care of myself and I really saw it degrading. I was like my gosh like this is brutal so I'm trying to shower every day. It's like it's a real pain in the ass because sometimes they don't a respectable same thing two days in a row like these are like but then the problem is. I have to do my laundry and then I'm like so anyway. So I get through that conundrum and then I come into this room. This is usually I use it for poker with my friends but and then I'm typically here until about twelve thirty and then I have lunch and then I come back and I'm here until six and then I go for a walk and between the twelfth somewhere in there. If I'm doing conference calls I walk around my house. Because I live in the suburbs of San Francisco. I have a little bit of space. I try to get ten thousand steps twice a week. I do yoga via zoom. Dinner is typically at seven and then I try to basically be in bed by nine and I watch some. Tv shows a right now. I'M WATCHING BILLIONS SEASON. Three of billions. I've never watched it before. People have told me. Watch it so I've been watching it. It's fabulous nice and then re twitter catch up on email and Unin bed by eleven thirty twelve pretty good routine. Yeah I was told by somebody. He said it had enough handed way but then I saw it on twitter. Where an astronaut who lived on the space station for a year. Basically said the most important thing if you're going to shelter in place which is like being in space is to have a very strict routine and follow it because it'll minimize your anxiety and then in between the day. There's a part of my day where I allocate to calling my friends now. That's good I like that. I think we could all do do well to do that. A little more than have a little checklist that's awesome. I like the checklist to the establishing a routine has been particularly difficult at home home home with my parents so I feel like I'm reverting back to my routine when I was seventeen years old which is very interesting. Okay we're GONNA take another spin it lands and call me crazy. So what a hot. Take that. You've had that either. This is a good one for you. I mean I've been called crazy for a long time. Yeah let's let's say like your hottest take that we haven't talked about in this conversation. Either that you've been right around about or you think you will be right about well. I hope this isn't true but I think that we are headed towards Kind of a depression and I I think that there is a very strong possibility that in it. There's a lot of chaos and geopolitically Mike Crazy take would be China invades Taiwan. My other crazy take is at the Middle East. Basically goes from however many countries that are to ten times at number of countries. Because you know when you when you stop pumping oil and you don't have a dictator or a strong person strong man that can pump petrodollars into the economy. People get skittish in you know there's enough cultural and language differences in the Middle East. That things could this about okay so that would be my heart. Take my crazy. Hot Take. Is that China invades Taiwan mostly to get access to technology and capability the. Us has done some crazy stuff by not allowing China to get access to certain key technologies and that the Middle East becomes completely fragmented. Okay well no but I hope you're wrong. I totally hope I'm wrong to this is what I'm saying. It's it's it's the crazy that's a definitely a call me crazy one. We'll have to check back on them like for six months and see where we are all right one last bench trauma and it's going to land on in or out So I already know your take on this but I want you to share it with the audience who might not know but inner al on Bitcoin in and maybe just explain to us how and while I started buying in two thousand and Twelve or thirteen So I was a pretty early participant. You know I mean I. I was buying coins at eighty five bucks. A coin so What do I think of Bitcoin? I think that If we don't fix the ingredients so if we don't fix this combination of capitalism and democracy and make the make the the product tastes better again. We will go through kind of a financial cataclysm so for decades and decades. We've seen that when things get tough. You WanNa have a backstop where you can go in trade between people and I think that there is a risk that if we can't get Iraq together people lose faith in the US system and It's a small risk very small risk and so I I view Bitcoin as insurance. So you buy a very small amount and You know what I what I've said before publicly is kind of like one percent of your net worth or less and then don't ever look at it like Kinsey. I couldn't tell you the price. I don't know what it's done last week or last year. I've not looked at it and every time somebody tries to tell me to look at it. I fight my basic instinct to do it. I don't want to know because I wanted to be worthless. I wanted to be left with the other ninety nine percent of my assets but if it doesn't that one percent will save you it'll give you really needed liquidity in a moment that matters and kind of having a one percent insurance policies and such a bad idea if you think the ingredients are tasting worse and worse okay. That checks out. Make sense sense to me All right well tomorrow. Thank you so much for coming on business casual. I really enjoyed this conversation And I would love to to revisit this. I'm sure at some point when we have more information about how this recipe is changing But thank you and I appreciate your time. Thanks thanks for taking the time so I know you love listening to business casual but a lot of the topics. We've hit on have veered very heavily toward technology. If you WANNA learn more about the emerging technologies that are shaping the economy and the business world around us. I cannot recommend enough breath emerging tech newsletter written by Ryan Duffy who? I sit next to in the office. It's a great look at everything from artificial intelligence augmented reality to cars and all of the new tax. That's going to be changing the world. We live in in the coming years. Go to morning brew. Dot Com backslash emerging dash tech to subscribe and learn. More until Ryan. 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