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Fresh update on "25 years" discussed on News, Traffic and Weather
"Goes beyond them turns around and very intentionally. Uses gunfire to harm the victim. He says the 20 year old woman who died was shot in the abdomen. The suspects 24 year old estranged wife was shot in the face and is in serious condition, and the 23 year old boyfriend was shot in the leg and torso and he's in stable condition. McClure says. The suspect turned himself in after quote running out of bullets. He faces murder and domestic violence. Assault charges in Edmund's See Romero come on. Yu's family of Mexican American man says he was shot by brothel police earlier this year. I want a statement. Of condolence from the city and police. An attorney for the family of 25 year old Juan Rene Hummel, says he was shot at least three times in the back. Julie Moore with the Snohomish County Multiple Agency Response team, which is investigating the shootings, is above all officer responded to the scene. July 29 11 call reporting that a male subject wass That slashing tires of a car with a knife, he says Hummel advanced toward the officer with the knife still in his hand and was shot multiple times. He died at the hospital. Washington state's minimum wage will increase with the new year. It'll jump by 19 cents to $13.69 an hour, the first increase determined by inflation and stuff, a voter improved ballot measure that determined increases over the past four years. The increase also effects wages paid to some salaried employees exempt from overtime. There's hopeful mood is Congress in the White House continue talks on another covert relief bill was Ryan Harris tells us about one local members parted in addition to another round of stimulus, the return of the extra $600 a week and unemployment and payroll support to keep people employed with benefits. The $2.2 trillion US House Democrats proposal includes two bills from representative Susan Del Bene. One would extend the child tax credit to people whose incomes were so low they don't qualify for the credit..
Queens, New York man charged in car crash that killed passenger
"Man charged in a deadly car crash Saturday night Police a 35 year old Nicholas Thompson of Far Rockaway was going close to 100 Miles an hour on Rockaway Boulevard when he veered off the road and crashed into a metal fence in some trees. He was able to stumble out of the car, but his passenger 32 year old Children a favor was pronounced dead at the scene. Cops say Thompson was driving with a revoked license, having previously been convicted of driving under the influence in 2011 and 2015. He is now charged with aggravated vehicular homicide, manslaughter and d W. Y. If convicted, he faces up to 25 years behind bars.
Fresh update on "25 years" discussed on Mark Simone
"And in accordance with the plans that district's submitted The Department of Education. Over the past three weeks, we have had minimal disruptions reported. Murphy says. A shipment of rapid tests that deliver results of minutes coming from the federal government will be a game changer for schools in particular, James Full Open W. O R News. The Meadowlands racetrack is temporarily shut down because of covert 19, a medical team identified a few people who tested positive. And they contracted it either at work or possibly at home. Officials say contact tracing is underway. The park is going to remain closed till 10 o'clock Saturday morning races will still take place on Friday, but without Spectators. A man who killed a Boy Scout on Long Island while driving drug received the maximum sentence after his conviction was upheld this Lisa G reports listen. Morris, who's 12 year old son was killed, says her family is broken. Our number one cause is for this never happened to another family. 60 year old Thomas Murphy was sentenced to a maximum of eight and a third to 25 years in prison. After the judge ruled against granting him a new trial amid claims of juror misconduct. Murphy was found guilty for fatally hitting McMorris as he was walking with his boy Scout troop in Manderville. Two.
Another night of flying bullets in New York City leaves five shot
"In the city and leaving five people wounded. Early this morning. The first victim, victim, a a 43 43 year year old old man man struck struck twice twice outside outside the the Queensbridge Queensbridge houses houses in in Long Long Island Island City. City. And And in in Hamilton Hamilton Heights, Heights, a a 25 25 year year old old man man shot shot in in the the back back on on West West 155th 155th Street. Street. Later Later in the Bronx, a 30 year old man hit in the leg at the Soundview Houses and in Brooklyn, a man and a woman walking on the street News, New York Say they heard gunshots and were both wounded in the legs. All five victims are in stable condition. No arrests yet. One day
Fresh "25 Years" from 10 10 WINS 24 Hour News
"All news all the time. Is his talent on winds. You give us 22 minutes, We'll give you the world 65 degrees at 8 40. I'm Laurie Madden and here's what's happening. City Health Department says there are now 10 neighborhoods where Kobe cases are growing at an alarming rate with fresh meadows. Hillcrest added to the lady have to enforce the state. And they're not doing it with enough diligence. Governor Cuomo says It's time to start finding people for not wearing masks. York State Attorney general is giving New York towards Club and Lucille Roberts a legal workout for charging dues during the shutdown. Whole work Man convicted of driving drunk and killing A Boy Scout is sentenced to eat to 25 years behind bars. Five now are removed from a British wildlife park after they started cursing out the visitor's center When Jackie whether says, clear to partly cloudy and cooler tonight Low 58, sonny a nice Tomorrow high 72 members Coffee down close to 7 27,081 of 329, head of the FAA takes Boeing 7 37 Max out on a test flight went to news time 8 41. Traffic in transit. Here's Kelly Dylan and let's start with this mess in Brooklyn on the inbound Guan is right by industry City. There is an overturned car currently blocking the H.
‘Father of the Bride’ Cast Reunites After 25 Years for Pandemic Wedding
"Just figured out, George, Why are you wearing a mess? Oh, because I was just suddenly forgot. Adam, the father of the bride has reunited for a brand new wedding. Steve Martin, Diane Keaton, Kimberly Williams, Paisley, Kieran Culkin and Martin Short. We're joined by several surprise guests in the reunion special last night. Show Mark the wedding of Karen Culkin's character, Maddy
Fresh update on "25 years" discussed on Vickie Allen and Levon Putney
"Rich Lam WCBS news radio 8 80 sentencing for the driver convicted of killing a Boy scout on Long Island. WCBS reporter Sophia Hall describes an emotional day for the victim's family. At times there did not appear to be a dry eye in the courtroom as Andrew McMorris was remembered by his father. Mother, grandfather's sister and his friends. His parents painfully described in court how they had to say goodbye to the 12 year old in the hospital. They held his hand. Touch his hair and kissed him. Goodbye, His father says. There are no winners. We have two broken families here, but we're going to carry on in honoring our son. And you was hiking exactly two years ago with his Boy Scout troop in Manderville when he was hit by a Mercedes SUV, driven by Thomas Murphy. The authorities say, spent the day drinking vodka. Andrew later died after many delays. Murphy was sentenced to the maximum eight and a third to 25 years in prison. Murphy did not address the courtroom before sentencing. Andrew sister says Murphy ruined her life and Thomas Murphy is going to prison and getting his earthly consequences for the actions and wrongdoing. Is he committed Sophia Hall? WCBS news radio 8 80. Kids 807 WCBS. It's about to cost a bit more to gas and go in New Jersey. That's coming up in three minutes. We.
Man Shoved Onto Subway Tracks At New York City's Columbus Circle
"Another onto the subway tracks of the Columbus Circle Station this morning. Please say the 25 year old victim was standing on the platform, apparently minding his own business. When he was shoved unprovoked. Another person helped him up. The man was taken to the hospital, complaining of leg and rib pain. The man who pushed him took off
Fresh update on "25 years" discussed on The WOR Sports Zone with Pete McCarthy
"Good evening. I'm Steve Greenfield, the nonpartisan Commission on Presidential Debates announced today it will consider changes to the remaining debates. Citing the need for structure after last night's often chaotic affair, which, of course, was marked by repeated interruption. There are several things under consideration, including the idea of giving the moderator the ability to cut off the mic of a candidate if that candidate violates the rule. That's ABC is chief White House correspondent Jonathan Caro, a man who killed a Boy Scout while driving drunk in Mandeville two years ago, has received the maximum punishment after his conviction was upheld. Listen. Mike Morris, who's 12 year old son was the victim says her family is broken. We hope today's decision. Is a deterrent for all lose out their heart number One cause is for this never happened to another family. 60 year old Thomas Murphy was sentenced to a maximum of eight and a third to 25 years behind bars after the judge ruled against granting him a new trial. Amid claims of juror misconduct. Murphy was found guilty for fatally hitting Mick Morris. As he was walking with his Boy Scout troop New York sports clubs being sued by New York Attorney General Leticia James. The reason James alleges the cloak continued to charge members also refused to honor cancellation. Requester didn't issue credits. All that, despite Jim's, having been closed due to Cove in 19 James as the company treated members like guests at Hotel California, adding quote you can check out into you like, but you can never leave. End quote. Governor Cuomo, speaking with leaders of Brooklyn's Orthodox community, where there's been a spike in covert 19 cases, Lisa G files this report governor explain more There have been increases in Corona virus cases within the community community, President.
Latest update on coronavirus deaths in Florida
"Latest coronavirus numbers showing that the affected our young and old alike here in South Florida 45 deaths in Miami Dade, including that of a 103, year old woman and a 25 year old man. 15 more deaths in Broward 22 more in Palm Beach, almost 2600 new cases. And the positivity rate did take up to 5.3%,
California nurses demand safer workplace after outbreak at Santa Rosa Hospital
"Workers at Memorial Hospital in Santa Rosa today held a demonstration outside the facility to protest the hospital's response to the covered 19 pandemic. His KCBS is Mike Dewald reports. Caregivers say they aren't being adequately protected around two dozen workers, along with two Sonoma County Supervisor's gathered to protest the conditions of the hospital workers say that management isn't being transparent about positive covert 19 cases among staff and they feel the hospital lacks the necessary PP. Mito Gonzalez is a lab tech and phlebotomist who's worked at Memorial for almost 25 years. He says that the hospital told workers who weren't symptomatic to come to work. Anyways, the hospital knew that there was people that were positive there were showing symptoms, but instead of paying the money to have everybody tested No get back to work. And now it's this morning another operate. Tyler, heading the chief executive of Memorial says that the hospital safety measures are thorough for patients and staff and consistent with CDC and county guidelines. We know number one thing is in prevention is making sure that if you're you're sick, you stay home heading, says that people was scarce at the outset of the pandemic, but that the hospital has built an adequate supply in total 26 caregivers and four patients have tested positive for covert 19. In Santa Rosa like the world, KCBS.
Boston - Man Wounded In Police Officer-Involved Shooting At Kingston Collection
"An investigation now under way after a 25 year old man is hurt. When police opened fire during an incident in the parking lot of the Kingston Mall early this morning, the Plymouth County DA's office says police were responding to a call from a security guard that a man was acting erratically in that parking lot at the Kingston connection. After the collection. Rather, that is after the suspect allegedly threatened police officers He was shot was taken to Boston Medical Center with injuries said to be non life
Girl, 10, Among 3 People Wounded In East Garfield Park Shooting, Chicago
"Including a 10 year old girl shot on the West side, Police say the girl and the others. Or only 3300 block of West Van Buren about 8 30 PM when gunfire erupted. The girl who was inside the vehicle was struck in the me taken to a hospital in good condition. A 31 year old man and a 25 year old woman also shot and hospitalized.
Israel signs accords with United Arab Emirates and Bahrain at White House ceremony
"Trump hosted the historic signing of what is called the Abraham Accords today at the White House. This involves Israel, the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain and is the first deal to normalize relations between Israel and Arab countries in more than 25 years. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said the agreements came about as a result of this philosophy. Strength brings These, but experts note the agreements aren't piece of courts. Israel was never at war with the or Bahrain. President. Trump predicts more deals normalizing relations between Israel and Arab countries, and ultimately, we're working the deal. We're talking. We're talking to the Palestinians at the right time they'll be joining two. For now. The Palestinians are calling the UFO and Bahrain agreements. A betrayal.
Man Killed In Brooklyn Shooting, New York Police Dept. Investigating
"In the city. More Justin tonight of another shooting this time in Queens, leaving two men wounded in the Saint Alban section. It happened just before 10 P.m. at Merrick Boulevard, 119th Avenue. Two other men were wounded earlier tonight shootings in Dyker Heights in downtown Brooklyn following the deaths of two other men in the Bronx this morning, One victim died after a gunman opened fire on a group of people outside the Jackson House is in the Mott Haven section. 23 year old victim was hit in the head. A second young man was also shot but survived. He's stable on on ly ly ly about about about 10. 10. 10. Minutes Minutes Minutes after after after that that that another another another man man man was was was found found found fatally fatally fatally shot shot shot on on on East East East 176 176 176 Street Street Street in in in the the the Mount Mount Mount Hope Hope Hope Section. Section. Section. Police Police Police haven't haven't haven't yet yet yet released released released the the the name name name for for for the the the 25 25 25 year year year old old old victim. victim. 10 10 10 10 wins wins
Peloton stock roars as earnings smash estimates, posts first ever profit on coronavirus boost
"They Paul Lamonica from CNN Business and Paul I. I don't know if there has been a company that has been more ubiquitous for the success that a company can have during a pandemic as Pel Aton, the home fitness equipment maker, and Self described tech company, I think has just seen a tremendous period of growth throughout all this, I think effectively tripled this year. What's What's your take on Pell Itan going forward at this point? Yeah. I mean, the company generated a profit in its latest quarter, and that is an encouraging finding that knocked on Saletan. I think Really was going to be whether or not they could actually generate earnings. And they are And if you point out now off more than 200% this year contract that with Planet fitness, which is a gym, and people are clearly Be wary. I think of going to him even with something being reopened. That stock is down 25 year to date. That's actually not that bad. When you consider what happening with some of the other companies in the industry, we had no 24 hour fitness. Laughter back with fecal Jim filed for bankruptcy. There are rumors that town sports is about to file for bankruptcy. Well, so you know, I think it is a legitimate friend if people want to work out at home, and they made Buying these pricey exercise bikes and other equipment from Helicon. Of course, the question is gonna be how sustainable is it? Well, people stick with routine and subscriptions that come along with it, or do these eventually become pricey? Anger's your clothes that you dropped, right? I mean, you know how many people have you talked to that? On January, 1st got that gym membership and then by January, 31st start no longer attending. But it's a significant upfront cost. How much does do you know how much the monthly subscription costs? Is it like 40 bucks a month. It's about that. I mean, they have a varying field, right? Ah, entry 0.4 people that that one and of course there's the upfront costs in the Purchase of the bite as well. But they are trying to branch out and do some things that are no more mobile subscriptions and online subscriptions so that you don't just have to pay that $39 a month. For the For the subscription that comes the bike is also a 12 99 month digital subscription. So you know, I think a lot of people are going to experiment with varying price point. Figure out what makes the most sense for that are they're going to need Thio shift their marketing strategy, too, If they're going to try and, you know, decrease the price point, because everyone I've that I've seen it's you know, some 30 year old working out in what must be a $5 Million high rise apartment. Ah, and I kind of critique that I was I was wrong because people love these products, but it would seem that they're marketing might be a little bit of a tweak if they're gonna start going downstream. Yeah. I mean, I think there is a thing of their head of global marketing. You know, black the company a few months ago. Helen Thomas, obviously, uh, marked for God, No, that went viral, You know, not that long ago. Seems like it was years ago. But it was not only what? Last year we had the Palestinian girl so I think it is definitely something that the company is aware of, and Congress enough that they need to probably a better job off marketing and not making me being life. If you know this elite, it I put product on ly for, you know, wealthier millennials. They definitely need to do a better job. I think of marketing, But you know, you can't really quibble with that when the company Doc is gone as well had, you know, I think you know, they probably recognized that that ad is effective and they're going to try and move forward. But, uh, you know they're doing extremely well, though. It's easy. It's a good problem to have. If people are making fun of your commercials when people are still buying it most certainly is Paul Lamonica from CNN business. Joining us to talk about Pel Aton Tio ticker symbol on Pellet on Petey. Oh, and Paul. Thank you for joining us appreciate
Mayor, New York PD Tout Uptick In Gun Arrests As Shootings Continue Citywide
"York City Mayor Bill de Blasio's announcing record done arrest by the NYPD for the weekend in front of 160 gun arrests in New York City 160. That is the most gun arrests in a single week in 25 years. NEWYORK CITY police working to drive down in nearly 100% uptick in shootings year to date.
New York PD hits a 25-year high in gun arrests with a total of 160 firearms confiscated
"NYPD says it took 160 guns off the street last week during a live interview here on 10 10 wins Police Commissioner Dermot Change says that's a record number hasn't seen in a quarter century. Are in your apartment right now. They're in your house there in your son's bedroom. I mean, this is what people don't want to talk about. But this is the truth. So whether it's grandmothers, mothers. Girlfriend. You know, we need to get the guns out of houses off the street for everyone to say. It was a 171% jump in shootings this July and August compared to the same period a year
New York PD marks 25-year high in taking guns off the street
"Guns off the street last week. Which it says was a 25 year high. Speaking live earlier here on 10 10 wins, Police Commissioner Dermot Shea said. On one hand, it's good to get the guns off the streets. On the other hand, it's bad that people had them in the first place. The gun Are in your apartment right now. They're in your house there in your son's bedroom. I mean, this is what people don't want to talk about. But this is the truth. So whether it's grandmothers, mothers. Girlfriend. You know, we need to get the guns out of houses off the streets for everyone say there was 171% jumping shootings this July and August compared to the same period a year ago. Top police officials
New York - Brooklyn Assistant DA Struck And Killed By Bus Early Monday
"Just after midnight when she was hit. NYPD says the bus driver stayed at the scene. No charges have been filed yet. Early Saturday, 25 year old man riding on an electric bicycle, died after he struck a 46 year old pedestrian on the Willis Avenue bridge bike path in the Bronx. Police say the
Los Angeles Police Searching For 6-Year-Old Boy Allegedly Taken By Father During Supervised Visitation
"Investigators are searching for a 25 year old man who they believe kidnapped his son during the supervised visit set up by the boy's grandfather, who has full custody of the child. About four o'clock yesterday afternoon, Rodney Dorset Jr was allowed to visit with his six year old son Chance at a market at Redondo and Washington Boulevard. But the grandfather told police that for several hours, the two did not return home. A father and son are believed to be traveling by bus. Police say Dorsett has family in Texas might be heading in that direction.
Dallas - Navajo Nation Calls For Investigation Following Recent Death Of Fort Hood Soldier Corlton Chee
"The Navajo nation has joined calls for an accounting of the deaths at Fort Hood after one of its members became the latest soldier from the US Army post in Texas to die, officials say. 25 year old Carlton CI of Pine Hill, New Mexico, died Wednesday after he collapsed following a physical fitness training exercise five days earlier. Data shows he was the 28 soldier from the central Texas supposed to die. This year, the Navajo Nation Council praised CI in a statement and urge the army to investigate Hiss and the other soldiers deaths. The Army says Chi's death is being investigated.
1 Dead, 1 Wounded in Labor Day Weekend Shootings, New York City
"End to deadly Weekend violence around the city Labor Day weekend. No exception among the shootings this weekend, a fatal one around one this morning. Police responding to responding found a 25 year old man shot in the head and chest, lighting it lying in the passenger seat of an SUV on college Point Boulevard in Queens, pronounced dead at the scene. His name has not been released pending family notification. Four hours later, cops say a man opened fire on a backyard party in Flatbush, Brooklyn. The left a 40 year old man wounded police. There have been no arrests. In either case, they are ongoing investigations.
"25 years" Discussed on Between The Lines
"Tom Switzer, he and welcome to another episode off between the lines now today on the program will be commemorating the twenty fifth anniversary of Europe's worst massacre since the Holocaust in ninety, ninety, five more than eight thousand people died in Shrimp Nitsa. The town was supposed to be a U N protected safe haven in the vicious civil war that tore Yugoslav apart instead the civilians ended up being massacred by Bosnian Serbs. Were lightning fast with their superior weapons. They easily overran the lightly. I'm Bosnian government troops and the token full civilian peacekeepers. The UN's Valley to protect the civilians inspired Washington to launch unilateral action against Serbia and end the civil war. Would things be the same today now? That's later in the program, but first defense. Last week the Morrison. Government launched a defence strategy and force structure review now the move signals a major shift away from the strategy outlined in the last defence white paper. Remember that just four years ago in two thousand sixteen. It plotted out Australia's strategic costs for the next decade. But that White Paper has as we know been rapidly overtaken by Vince covert China or that now the new review has promised two hundred and seventy billion dollars over the next decade to enhance Australia's defence capabilities with renewed focus on areas like Saba and spice capabilities and the possible development of hop sonic weapons will be fitting aircraft with long-range anti-ship missiles, increasing underwater surveillance and boosting fuel ammunitions reserves. Now, underscoring the seriousness of the shift, the Prime Minister even drew comparisons to the nineteen thirties and the lead up to world. War Two that period of the nineteen thirties. Is Been Something I've been revisiting on a very regular basis and when you connect by the economic challenges and the global uncertainty. It can be very haunting, but is the money too much or not enough is going to all the right places, and we'll do enough to safeguard Australia from China's increasing assertiveness and is rapidly growing military capabilities. What's the role of Australia's diplomacy? And all of this will joining me to discuss this at three distinguished guests. By skill is professor of Asia Pacific Security Studies at Macquarie University Holiday Bites. Thank you good to be here Melissa Conley. Tar is a research fellow at the Asia Institute at the University of Melbourne. Hi There Melissa could to speak again Tom. And Pay. The Jennings is executive director of the Australian Strategic Policy Institute. Tom No. Can you talk us through the top of scenarios and potential conflicts that the defense review is preparing us for the scenario that the review is focusing on is <hes> one involving a high end conventional conflict, so I've gone to the days of stabilization operations in t more <hes>. Counterterrorism operations in Afghanistan <hes>. This document is preparing foresight on onsite conflict. Involving countries that have sophisticated military forces. And, of course, the document doesn't say. I don't think it would be reasonable to expect it to say. That China is the problem. But let me tell you China is the problem that is the now neoplasia competitive that way of thinking about when we think about what's adequate in terms of the topic of military capability we need to have. and to does reflect to change. From past years Tom I recall when I started by defense career, we were thinking much more about the risks presented by Indonesia, and the so called low level in cushions in the northwest. Of course, that's no longer features in anyone's strategic thinking. Really it's about China and the risks that the People's Republic is presenting to all of its neighbors in abroad since in the Indo Pacific region and beyond I cabinet crudely putting it some sites laying the groundwork for fortress Australia US sign. This is preparing us to join a potential use LID. Containment slash war against China for example to protect Taiwan Peter Jennings. I think that is it covers a spectrum of possibilities. One possibility which I think is <hes> Epson you were in terms of language of the document is that we might conceivably end up having to face military conflict without being able to rely on the direct combat support of the United States, and that's what leads to discussions around extra stockpiling munitions and fuel insightful. But I think in general terms. Yes, the expectation is that Australia. Through its history has been a country that forms coalitions usually have like minded partners, the <hes> share the same types of objectives. And <hes> the the plan will design the Defense Force. Really gives us the capacity to do that with Rachel Ellis lecture, example, Japan <hes>, but also with our traditional ally the United States okay bates skill. You've recently completed a review of China's defense capabilities and its recent military modernization, specifically looking at the implications for Australia Wind you expect the Peo- The People's Liberation Army and its navy. When do you expect them to have the capability to project power as far as Australia annual Pacific knives, well in many respects Tom, they already can I mean they have the long range missile capabilities to do that? Know as a from a standoff position launched from their own from their own homeland against hours. But what I think, the the new strategy is looking at is really the development of capability over the next ten fifteen twenty years, and that's by the Chinese own own acknowledged calendar <hes> that they would be able to by that time of mass, a large enough capability, both in terms of its long range strike, you know striking from their own homeland, but also <hes> bill to project. Project Power <hes> passed the so-called first and second island change and being a position to more directly threatened through those platforms Australian security. So you know we're talking ten or fifteen year window here and I think given the time it does take to try and respond to develop the the deterrent and defense capabilities for Australia. That's that's you know that's in some ways a short window. <hes> for Australia to be mobilizing in reaction Melissa Tali. What's the role of a strong diplomacy and all these well I think it needs to be growl. And one of the concerns <hes> when we look at the deteriorating strategic environment is we think all that's a defense problem? And so when the prime minister launches the strategic update with those comparisons with the nineteen thirties. It pushes US toward seeing in purely military terms <hes>, but we don't just want to say things in that security lands, we want to think about all of the parts about national power projection, so that's diplomacy and development as well as defense <hes>. I think if if people thought about it I think what we invest in all three strongly, but that's not where it is <hes> if you look at federal budget fifty. Fifty nine billion to defense and less than seven billion to diplomacy and development together the lowest point with ahead in our history and I think we missing that opportunity. If we don't take US seriously, the way that diplomacy and development can shape things in the world so I was struck. Today was a defendant looking at the latest poll on what are the major concerns that Australians have at the moment of the top threats in the world and the first five, a role nontraditional that drought, environment, disaster, <hes>, climate change, pandemics, and downtown, global economy, and those places where you know military spending isn't going to help shape that environment. So we need to have an effect on those. We need to be thinking much more about what we can do in the diplomacy and development to mind Peter Jennings. What would you say in to Melissa's observations? Because they reflect a certain mindset that that perhaps we should be focused more on non state actors rather than say China for instance well, I think all of these you know threats that have to be taken seriously. I'm and simply because we're living in the middle of a pandemic for example, doesn't the climate change is gone away in this no longer going to present a problem to us. I guess what I'd say. Is that the you know the five things Melissa listed? That were in the featured in the low e Poland terms of popular concerns. Are also the things which could. In different ways late to the risks of conflict escalating in the Indo Pacific region generally so <hes>. You know my my view, please <hes> while I would like to see <hes> spending on diplomacy increased. While I. Say Development Assistance is being something which is effectively the United soft in of Australian power, and the military is the hot end of Australian power. I think. The message against all of these areas is that we have just been underinvesting for decades underinvesting for decades, so we're we're all. High fiving ourselves at just reaching about two percent of gross national product, being spent on defense, but that is <hes> compared to what we spending in cold or years, which was sometimes between three and a half percent in four percent of rustic product. So what we have grown used to Tom I would say is. Free written on the United. States code tiles of security for for decades. We've dramatically under. Invested in the things that we need to do to strengthen Australia's position, not just militarily, but also diplomat. A now. We're rather surprised to hear the news that Gosh the bill is a lot more expensive than we really thought. It was only if you've got that confidence in the US. and. In fact, the whole trump stories, the story of the Americans really <unk> big being fed up with the rest of the world, thinking that the US can fund the bill for their security, so we're going to have to do more and I think we're going to have to do it against multiplicity of areas not. Justin sought the defense organization. We'll some scholars such as you want and James Current from the University of Sydney. They say that this document sounds a lot like an acknowledgement that the US might not always be there to help us out. By are we starting to plan for more independent Australian defense posture I think it would be a wise move to keep that option open when you think of the capabilities that the Chinese developing in which do have a direct pose a direct threat to <hes> Australia or could do so. In many respects, the I think the types of threats that you might not expect an immediate or even timely response on the part of the United States <hes> what I'm thinking here. Cyber capabilities is a huge priority for the Chinese. We already know <hes> what they see the sort of capability. They can wield against Australia and that's not the sort of thing you can expect a kind of cavalry to. Lead the charge from from Washington to come to Australia's defence slowly long range strike capability on the part of the Chinese <hes> capability. They already have in which are going to continue to develop. which could threaten Australia down the road now? These are capabilities that I think that Australia's going to have to develop their own defenses for. They can certainly do that with United States, but again it's not necessarily the sort of threat that we would expect some sort of traditional ally joint response not to make it well. Some of are in listeners will email me and they'll say that if Uncle Sam struggles to police. It's own CDs. Melissa. How on Earth Can Uncle Sam Police? The Asia Pacific region in the face of a rising China. What's your sense about us staying power in the next decade or two in look? It's difficult <hes>. One of the things that strategic update looks at is more threats to the global rules order, and unfortunately the you know, the US is part of that. <hes> the US is not along with the strategies interest on things like global trading system, <hes> and a number of international issues like global health <hes> where we would say you need to be supporting. A Global Response <hes> that said I don't think the strategic update will be read negatively <hes> in. Washington, it's my guess. <hes> it very clearly couched in terms that I think the US will lock about Australia contributing more and having more self. <hes> that could be seen as a statement that we think that the US might not have outback, but can also be seen as something that the US has been for for a long time. <hes> I particularly liked a few elements of the update things like <hes> making sure that we have. You know material ammunition <hes>. You know that aren't going to be disrupted. Buckle supply trying having more capability <hes> eight industrial cut suffering capability here antiques fuel reserves, which is not as long sane as an issue for us, so I mean those are things that are worth investing in. Regardless of US resolve because as we've seen from COVID, we know that <hes> supply chain can be disrupted very quickly and easily, and it's worth having <hes> eligibilities. Cepeda Jennings bite skill and Melissa Conley Toilet and Melissa. The Pacific step up last year. That realigned Australia's development budget to deal with some of the strategic challenges posed by China in the Pacific <hes>. Do you think it goes far enough? The step up was <hes> followed recently by <hes> strategies new International Development Policy Partnerships for recovery, and that's made it very clear that <hes> strategies focus should be on the Pacific and also southeast. Asia including. Indonesia and <HES> team August. I think that has a very clear statement about what we want. In the region of being entrusted trusted development partner and influencing those societies that we think positive for four region. Again you're going to. You're going to say you. Hear this from me all the time, but again the problem is that we not really making much invasive lunch, so <hes> partnerships for recovery head no new money it talked about the massive challenges that covered as as creating for for the for the Pacific, and for for our region broadly, and the only <hes> funding announcement was that we're going to repurpose the money. We would have spent on sending Australian. Volunteers in scholarship holders. And we're GONNA use that so I I suppose I. Feel a little bit with all the areas, not actually include district update in that as well that what we've seen through the foreign policy, White Paper and International Development Policy through to to the defense. Strategic Updike is. We talk about how. <unk> how? What a time! These these frosty leaving a contested difficult <hes> awful environment that we've now got to leave in and the Dow L. Easy Times over, and then we say, and we're not gonNA. Give any new money so I mean the defense announcement is essentially just that we're going to continue to you know, extrapolate out the money that was planned to be spent in the twenty twenty six, and we're going to extrapolate that out to twenty thirty terabytes skill. Do we risk getting into a bidding war for influence in the Pacific? I don't know if it's a risk. If it is a risk worth worth taking. I mean obviously <hes> the Pacific region is so extremely important Australia's future. Both for for defense reasons for regional engagement for diplomatic reasons, developing reasons and the like. <hes> so <hes>. It's quite possible that we're entering in a more competitive <hes> phase <hes> with China in this. SITES WRIST BYTES I'm talking about more the budgetary concerns he because in the wake of the Corona Virus Crosses. There'll be serious limits on how we can spend on these things scholley. Yes, there is <hes> and party left to be be developed for that, but <hes> you know when you're talking about your own backyard. I mean I I. I don't think it's the kind of country that can simply. Pretended it's by itself getting back pay to Jennings to the region, generally in the rise of what. Angus Campbell is of the Defence Force he's talked about the rise of political warfare, the idea of grey zone warfare things like cyber attacks, economic coercion influence operations that fall below the traditional threshold of war. He says we need a whole of government response to it. I, you seeing that whole of government approach happening in Campbell, or is this Manley focus on defense and the spy agency so far Peter Jennings. It probably is focused on the national security agency's Tom. That's not too surprising because you'd expect them to sort of pick up on the risks I. But General Campbell is right. It does need to be all government is. There's a whole lot of things happening there that <hes> simply cannot and should not be done by defense organizations. and. I think that realization is slowly dawning. Along as both of the speakers have said that actually ladyship comes with cost of infrastructure is going to play that role, but you know, give you a small example of this we. We have lost the ability to broadcast into the South Pacific and Southeast Asia. In a way that we used to very successfully over over decades to give us the capacity to do that. We're probably talking about you know that. He million a year forty million a year, which sounds a lot of defend. It's nothing if you're in the Defense Department. Let me tell you. But you need to be able to do things like that. To be the truth teller in the region to actually tell the region that there are alternatives to Chinese Communist Party authoritarianism I think that's what's needed with responding to this grey zone on threat. Is Actually to be the truth teller. In this part of the will and <hes> getting our system in Cambridge used to that reality to understanding what needs to be done. To starting at different type of conversation with our region. With our own people for that matter that that is a sort of a psychological change which I can see happening, but we're not quite yet. There's a bit of work still to be done to get to that point Melissa. Conley Tyler. Is, just responding on that. I agree entirely with what pitcher saying on <hes> on broadcasting. It's a small investment, such a an increasing influence. It should be Brian and I hope that did that's being seen. I think having defense voices. I will help a lot in a banks, seriously I'm but just went. When you ask Tom Balaton host government and what's happening there? There are some really good examples, so for example win. This Pacific step pop started an office of the Pacific was established in that apartment and tried and each job. He's to be that coordinating body, and it's bringing together the. The defense, the development and the diplomacy in a way that he's gone to maximize our influence. <hes> and I've noticed this a lot more discussion about that that three. How do you bring defense development diplomacy communities together? I'm involved in initiate the Pacific. Four Day and I think a lot of people not talking about what more we can do for that that joined up coordination to make the most about national instruments by skill. You're an expert on China. The elephant in the room of course is China doing need to be careful not to overestimate China's military strength. What about the weaknesses? Exactly right I mean you have to know your enemy's weakness as well as their strengths in the case of China, they are undertaking enormous reforming organization effort. They're pouring billions of dollars into new capabilities, but there's a lot of things we need to recognize I. Mean One is that the Chinese have not fought a shooting war and more than forty years. They are have no. They have zero experience in high end combat against a serious. Adversary, scenario, so that's not to downplay them, but to understand that they've got enormous obstacles to overcome that day. Themselves acknowledge that they themselves. No, they have to overcome, and that's why we had this window that we've been talking about. A fifteen to twenty years. <hes> to try and develop capabilities to get in front of the kinds of things that the Chinese want to bring to bear around. Around, twenty thirty or twenty, thirty, five, twenty, forty, paid-up Melissa to be continued. Thanks so much for being on our in. Thank you, tell my pleasure. Thank you, Tom. That was paid jennings. He's executive director of the Australian strategic pulsing suit by skill professor of Asia Pacific Security Studies at Macquarie University and Melissa Commonly Tyler. She's a research fellow at the Asia Institute at the University of Melbourne. These between the lines with Tom Switzer. Coming next, we're going to replay a version of a segment from between the lines. I 'cause commemorating the massacre of Bosnian Muslims at shredded Nitsa on the eleventh of July nodding ninety. Five twenty five years ago this week. More than eight thousand people were killed by Serb forces. It was the worst massacre. Europe had seen since the Holocaust. Serve softening up Trevor Nature for the army's final push into the town. Town of course was supposed to be a safe haven protected by the United Nations, but the civilians ended up being sitting ducks as I woke Larry. Hollingsworth Remembers I. Myself Feel Devastated and ashamed I was there with them? When we told them that it was a safe haven I watched. Many of these people walk in with the minimal possessions into shreds, knowing that it was a safe haven, and now they're fleeing out because we've let them down, let them down to the extent that within dies. About Twenty three thousand women and children were deported, and about eight thousand Muslim men and boys left behind where executed and buried in mass graves. Now, reports from the time described, frightening scenes stiffen overawed from medicines on frontier. Speaking he. Loading some of the children and <hes> women into buses, but there's no indication as to where it was buses, going with seen some horrifying streaming, going on women and children going into the buses <hes> being taken away from their family <hes>. This was going on with a lot of crying a lot of panicking. The slaughter had been planned carefully and executed with precision. All the wall Dutch. Pace is literally stood by, and did nothing indeed even when the Serb assault on Srebrenica was imminent. in-command is still rejected Kohl's racetracks. Positions. Pope John Paul. The second declared ribbon Nitsa a defeat for civilization as media reports begins to reveal the scale of the unfolding tragedy. The UN says nine hundred thousand people are still unaccounted for. About some became clear as government soldiers emerging from the forest in central Bosnia, told of horrific massacres at the hands of the Serbs one young. People executing them on spot, but this didn't come out of the blue. By the time this massacre took place the civil war that tore the former Yugoslavia. Repot was heading into its fourth year. More than a million people have been displaced, and the world became familiar with a new term ethnic cleansing. So? Who is to blame for these well? Let's start with the United. Nations from ninety two to ninety, five shrivel Nitsa was the world's first union declared civilian syphon. It was supposed to to her aggression. It was supposed to aggression and set the scene for political negotiations to end hostilities between the Bosnian Serbs, and Muslims, but the UN soldiers in the SIPHONS. They were bedeviled by problems. If you declare an area safe haven in the name of the United Nations. Nations if you tell the people if they are safe in the name of the United Nations you have got to put the troops on the ground, and it's no good for politicians say yes, we go for safe havens, but we're not gonNA put the troops <hes> meanwhile the Europeans vacillated and equivocated failing miserably to cope with across at its own back door. America was also reluctant to get involved as then President George Bush senior explained in Nani Nani to. I? Something because I learned something from Vietnam. I am not going to commit US forces until I know what the mission is to the military. Tell me that it can be completed until I know how they can come out. You have ancient rivalries that have cropped up as as Yugoslavia's dissolved or getting dissolved, and it isn't going to be solved by sending in the eighty second airborne, and although on the campaign trail that Ye Bill Clinton pledged to reverse the appeasement of that bushes of Belgrade as President Clinton allowed the Balkans to bleed for three more years. French President Jacques Chirac was moved to declare quote, the position of the leader of the free world vacant. Trinite Sur changed all that having done nothing the before during the mass killings in Rwanda Clinton was galvanized into action, and crucially he cut the United Nations out of the Decision Chine on August thirty Washington led a night bombing campaign against the Serbs the NATO action began early this morning. The harsh light of fires and explosions coloring the night sky. Some people watched the bombardment from their houses, but after more than ten thousand deaths here in the last three years, most Sarajevans had given up any hope of outside intervention. Last night it came on a scale which could yet change the course of this war by the end of not ninety five sixty thousand nine hundred troops, including twenty thousand Americans were on the ground in Bosnia. Pace was declared. The BOEKEN's wars ended only because the US finally acted. He's President Clinton in November ninety five my fellow Americans in this new era there are still times when America and America alone can and should make the difference for peace. The terrible war in Bosnia is such a case nowhere. Today is the need for American leadership. More stark are more immediate than in. In Bosnia in the years since the Mexica Europe inaction was heavily criticised, and the US was held up for its global leadership in particular for its unilateral humanitarian intervention. This is when the US secretary. Of State. Madeleine Albright said America was the indispensable nation, and that idea would fade into the justification of the Iraq invasion in two thousand and three as a war of liberation, but he's a question with the US intervene. If the shrivel Nitsa massacre happened today from the standpoint of twenty twenty, we might ask if the era of US unilateral humanitarian intervention is well and truly over. Well, that's it for this week. Show remember if you'd like to hear the episode again or download segments since two thousand fourteen. Just go to ABC. Dot Net dot US slash aren and follow the prompts to between the lines, or you can listen via the ABC. Listen APP, or wherever you get your podcast. You can even subscribe, so you never miss an episode. I'm Tom Switzer continue next week.
"25 years" Discussed on Between The Lines
"Supply chain can be disrupted very quickly and easily, and it's worth having eligibilities. Cepeda Jennings bite skill and Melissa Conley Toilet and Melissa. The Pacific step up last year. That realigned Australia's development budget to deal with some of the strategic challenges posed by China in the Pacific Do you think it goes far enough? The step up was followed recently by strategies new International Development Policy Partnerships for recovery, and that's made it very clear that strategies focus should be on the Pacific and also southeast. Asia including. Indonesia and team August. I think that has a very clear statement about what we want. In the region of being entrusted trusted development partner and influencing those societies that we think positive for four region. Again you're going to. You're going to say you. Hear this from me all the time, but again the problem is that we not really making much invasive lunch, so partnerships for recovery head no new money it talked about the massive challenges that covered as as creating for for the for the Pacific, and for for our region broadly, and the only funding announcement was that we're going to repurpose the money. We would have spent on sending Australian. Volunteers in scholarship holders. And we're GONNA use that so I I suppose I. Feel a little bit with all the areas, not actually include district update in that as well that what we've seen through the foreign policy, White Paper and International Development Policy through to to the defense. Strategic Updike is. We talk about how. how? What a time! These these frosty leaving a contested difficult awful environment that we've now got to leave in and the Dow L. Easy Times over, and then we say, and we're not gonNA. Give any new money so I mean the defense announcement is essentially just that we're going to continue to you know, extrapolate out the money that was planned to be spent in the twenty twenty six, and we're going to extrapolate that out to twenty thirty terabytes skill. Do we risk getting into a bidding war for influence in the Pacific? I don't know if it's a risk. If it is a risk worth worth taking. I mean obviously the Pacific region is so extremely important Australia's future. Both for for defense reasons for regional engagement for diplomatic reasons, developing reasons and the like. so It's quite possible that we're entering in a more competitive phase with China in this. SITES WRIST BYTES I'm talking about more the budgetary concerns he because in the wake of the Corona Virus Crosses. There'll be serious limits on how we can spend on these things scholley. Yes, there is and party left to be be developed for that, but you know when you're talking about your own backyard. I mean I I. I don't think it's the kind of country that can simply. Pretended it's by itself getting back pay to Jennings to the region, generally in the rise of what. Angus Campbell is of the Defence Force he's talked about the rise of political warfare, the idea of grey zone warfare things like cyber attacks, economic coercion influence operations that fall below the traditional threshold of war. He says we need a whole of government response to it. I, you seeing that whole of government approach happening in Campbell, or is this Manley focus on defense and the spy agency so far Peter Jennings. It probably is focused on the national security agency's Tom. That's not too surprising because you'd expect them to sort of pick up on the risks I. But General Campbell is right. It does need to be all government is. There's a whole lot of things happening there that simply cannot and should not be done by defense organizations. and. I think that realization is slowly dawning. Along as both of the speakers have said that actually ladyship comes with cost of infrastructure is going to play that role, but you know, give you a small example of this we. We have lost the ability to broadcast into the South Pacific and Southeast Asia. In a way that we used to very successfully over over decades to give us the capacity to do that. We're probably talking about you know that. He million a year forty million a year, which sounds a lot of defend. It's nothing if you're in the Defense Department. Let me tell you. But you need to be able to do things like that. To be the truth teller in the region to actually tell the region that there are alternatives to Chinese Communist Party authoritarianism I think that's what's needed with responding to this grey zone on threat. Is Actually to be the truth teller. In this part of the will and getting our system in Cambridge used to that reality to understanding what needs to be done. To starting at different type of conversation with our region. With our own people for that matter that that is a sort of a psychological change which I can see happening, but we're not quite yet. There's a bit of work still to be done to get to that point Melissa. Conley Tyler. Is, just responding on that. I agree entirely with what pitcher saying on on broadcasting. It's a small investment, such a an increasing influence. It should be Brian and I hope that did that's being seen. I think having defense voices. I will help a lot in a banks, seriously I'm but just went. When you ask Tom Balaton host government and what's happening there? There are some really good examples, so for example win. This Pacific step pop started an office of the Pacific was established in that apartment and tried and each job. He's to be that coordinating body, and it's bringing together the. The defense, the development and the diplomacy in a way that he's gone to maximize our influence. and I've noticed this a lot more discussion about that that three. How do you bring defense development diplomacy communities together? I'm involved in initiate the Pacific. Four Day and I think a lot of people not talking about what more we can do for that that joined up coordination to make the most about national instruments by skill. You're an expert on China. The elephant in the room of course is China doing need to be careful not to overestimate China's military strength. What about the weaknesses? Exactly right I mean you have to know your enemy's weakness as well as their strengths in the case of China, they are undertaking enormous reforming organization effort. They're pouring billions of dollars into new capabilities, but there's a lot of things we need to recognize I. Mean One is that the Chinese have not fought a shooting war and more than forty years. They are have no. They have zero experience in high end combat against a serious. Adversary, scenario, so that's not to downplay them, but to understand that they've got enormous obstacles to overcome that day. Themselves acknowledge that they themselves. No, they have to overcome, and that's why we had this window that we've been talking about. A fifteen to twenty years. to try and develop capabilities to get in front of the kinds of things that the Chinese want to bring to bear around. Around, twenty thirty or twenty, thirty, five, twenty, forty, paid-up Melissa to be continued. Thanks so much for being on our in. Thank you, tell my pleasure. Thank you, Tom. That was paid jennings. He's executive director of the Australian strategic pulsing suit by skill professor of Asia Pacific Security Studies at Macquarie University and Melissa Commonly Tyler. She's a research fellow at the Asia Institute at the University of Melbourne. These between the lines with Tom Switzer. Coming next, we're going to replay a version of a segment from between the lines. I 'cause commemorating the massacre of Bosnian Muslims at shredded Nitsa on the eleventh of July nodding ninety. Five twenty five years ago this week. More than eight thousand people were killed by Serb forces. It was the worst massacre. Europe had seen since the Holocaust. Serve softening up Trevor Nature for the.
"25 years" Discussed on Between The Lines
"And one of the concerns when we look at the deteriorating strategic environment is we think all that's a defense problem? And so when the prime minister launches the strategic update with those comparisons with the nineteen thirties. It pushes US toward seeing in purely military terms but we don't just want to say things in that security lands, we want to think about all of the parts about national power projection, so that's diplomacy and development as well as defense I think if if people thought about it I think what we invest in all three strongly, but that's not where it is if you look at federal budget fifty. Fifty nine billion to defense and less than seven billion to diplomacy and development together the lowest point with ahead in our history and I think we missing that opportunity. If we don't take US seriously, the way that diplomacy and development can shape things in the world so I was struck. Today was a defendant looking at the latest poll on what are the major concerns that Australians have at the moment of the top threats in the world and the first five, a role nontraditional that drought, environment, disaster, climate change, pandemics, and downtown, global economy, and those places where you know military spending isn't going to help shape that environment. So we need to have an effect on those. We need to be thinking much more about what we can do in the diplomacy and development to mind Peter Jennings. What would you say in to Melissa's observations? Because they reflect a certain mindset that that perhaps we should be focused more on non state actors rather than say China for instance well, I think all of these you know threats that have to be taken seriously. I'm and simply because we're living in the middle of a pandemic for example, doesn't the climate change is gone away in this no longer going to present a problem to us. I guess what I'd say. Is that the you know the five things Melissa listed? That were in the featured in the low e Poland terms of popular concerns. Are also the things which could. In different ways late to the risks of conflict escalating in the Indo Pacific region generally so You know my my view, please while I would like to see spending on diplomacy increased. While I. Say Development Assistance is being something which is effectively the United soft in of Australian power, and the military is the hot end of Australian power. I think. The message against all of these areas is that we have just been underinvesting for decades underinvesting for decades, so we're we're all. High fiving ourselves at just reaching about two percent of gross national product, being spent on defense, but that is compared to what we spending in cold or years, which was sometimes between three and a half percent in four percent of rustic product. So what we have grown used to Tom I would say is. Free written on the United. States code tiles of security for for decades. We've dramatically under. Invested in the things that we need to do to strengthen Australia's position, not just militarily, but also diplomat. A now. We're rather surprised to hear the news that Gosh the bill is a lot more expensive than we really thought. It was only if you've got that confidence in the US. and. In fact, the whole trump stories, the story of the Americans really big being fed up with the rest of the world, thinking that the US can fund the bill for their security, so we're going to have to do more and I think we're going to have to do it against multiplicity of areas not. Justin sought the defense organization. We'll some scholars such as you want and James Current from the University of Sydney. They say that this document sounds a lot like an acknowledgement that the US might not always be there to help us out. By are we starting to plan for more independent Australian defense posture I think it would be a wise move to keep that option open when you think of the capabilities that the Chinese developing in which do have a direct pose a direct threat to Australia or could do so. In many respects, the I think the types of threats that you might not expect an immediate or even timely response on the part of the United States what I'm thinking here. Cyber capabilities is a huge priority for the Chinese. We already know what they see the sort of capability. They can wield against Australia and that's not the sort of thing you can expect a kind of cavalry to. Lead the charge from from Washington to come to Australia's defence slowly long range strike capability on the part of the Chinese capability. They already have in which are going to continue to develop. which could threaten Australia down the road now? These are capabilities that I think that Australia's going to have to develop their own defenses for. They can certainly do that with United States, but again it's not necessarily the sort of threat that we would expect some sort of traditional ally joint response not to make it well. Some of are in listeners will email me and they'll say that if Uncle Sam struggles to police. It's own CDs. Melissa. How on Earth Can Uncle Sam Police? The Asia Pacific region in the face of a rising China. What's your sense about us staying power in the next decade or two in look? It's difficult One of the things that strategic update looks at is more threats to the global rules order, and unfortunately the you know, the US is part of that. the US is not along with the strategies interest on things like global trading system, and a number of international issues like global health where we would say you need to be supporting. A Global Response that said I don't think the strategic update will be read negatively in. Washington, it's my guess. it very clearly couched in terms that I think the US will lock about Australia contributing more and having more self. that could be seen as a statement that we think that the US might not have outback, but can also be seen as something that the US has been for for a long time. I particularly liked a few elements of the update things like making sure that we have. You know material ammunition You know that aren't going to be disrupted. Buckle supply trying having more capability eight industrial cut suffering capability here antiques fuel reserves, which is not as long sane as an issue for us, so I mean those are things that are worth investing in. Regardless of US resolve because as we've seen from COVID, we know that.
"25 years" Discussed on Feast of Fun
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"25 years" Discussed on Feast of Fun
"The favors I was asking them. To help get me my stuff back, but I mean everyone was great. Why certainly you know very much enjoyed watching the movie and certainly it's. You know. I feel like we're left with more questions than answers still twenty five years later with showgirls and you know there are so many things that happened in that film peaches Christ describes it. She says it's a very. Efficient film in the twists and turns that goes through that where there's always something happening every single moment of the film up until the very end where it sort of mirrors itself, and you know me. Malone is kind of law like. A malevolent force of any described right because she leaves Las Vegas in ruins, and now she descending on Hollywood's heading tally would. Yeah, you just yeah. You don't even need to write the sequel. You can just imagine it, and that's what makes the ending so satisfying is that you have this ending that where your imagination just runs wild Do, you have. An idea of where you think she what she does in La. Who? Well you know. What does she say she she's? She married the nephew of one of the richest designers in the world probably became a vegetarian. She ditched the Burgers. What else? Is this real. With Berkeley's. which she married. Ralph Lawrence. Well it seems like let's Berkeley did like brown rice and vegetables after all. She did she did even though she craved that Burger fries and soda. We were just watching it again. The other night was like what who order is that during the middle of a rehearsal? I, she probably has touch dog. Food and years is like. I have a can of Alpo. Bacon Double Cheeseburger, some cheese fries and a big gulp of Dr Diet Pepper. And Five, six, seven eight. I was like no other. She's vomiting throughout this movie. There's a puppet comedy. Company. Ensemble called Harvey Finkelstein who actually performed in the early feast, fool shows with us here in Chicago and they had an. Festival sensation called sock puppet showgirls I heard about this. Yeah, I could never find. I heard and read a couple articles that referenced it and I tried to find more. About it, but I was never able to Kinda to. Put the pieces together to be more happy to introduce you to the They're still doing stuff whom I got. That's amazing. Yeah the Hud. No yeah, it's just interesting. How many different things it spawned in created, and you know musicals and poems and sock puppets an you know. Someone just released a coloring book showgirls. Oh really so so. Elizabeth Berkley like thrusting it and Mike. Patrick screaming at her exactly. Yeah, you know that activity. He a lot of his lines in the film. Actually he improvised them. Because I think third interview with. Her and so DO PK turn. Nomi is something that he inserted into. The script call for something else. He's like they wouldn't say this. Yeah, like what would they say he's like? Do Cater like okay. Sure it works. He doesn't matter. Kinda says they had an idea. Things were getting a little weird. Because that whole thrust, it thrust it thing. It was just like he said he was doing it. In for homes is like more. More and so then he's just I'm just GONNA. Go crazy over the top and do it more. And then I did it like that. He's just like okay. That's it and he's just like no way I. Read a story where he didn't the actors. Do they talk about? How like some of them like Columbine Glock you? Are they mentioned in your in your film. This idea that the the. As a full drama I think that they probably had that in their mind, but every now and then they got a little inkling, or like this is weird, or and so and now in retrospect that maybe that little tiny moment stands out more for them now than it originally did. Yeah and who knows how many other takes they did or you know how. Very the each performance. was you know and then you know maybe just in the edit it got it got crazier and crazier. Now another thing that people don't realize about showgirls and I'm wondering if you picked up on this. It's a Christmas movie. It is it is I actually we put a video highlighting all the Christmas references. In in showgirls! In the beginning though it starts off in Hal there's kids, trick or treating in the background Yeah, it tracks. Some of the holiday, yeah, like who what trick or treaters are our kids? Their parents are going to let their kids off on the. You Know Vegas trip to trigger trace is amazing. I'll tell you that I don't inhale the ones that look like little Glass vials. You snap. Yeah, but they skip over thanksgiving. We don't ever get a Thanksgiving moment. I wonder if that was just left in the cutting room floor. Yeah, maybe maybe it was Thanksgiving happy. With the Tampon at one point and She's not actually she. That's why. I got towels baby. She, said she a Tampon, and you could feel it, and so he sticks his hand down her pants. She's having her period. And then he states that many pulls out his fingers are wet and he smells them. James Smith Yeah. You got to talent for it to be right, so she didn't have a Tampon in there. I don't think so Jeffrey. Can you clarify that no I think I? Think there. There was a no Tampon I think that was what yeah? Yes, yes. That's why he says I got tells baby. Here, you can stick your hand down there and feel it or some I don't know. About it so. That's how I remember it vision nest history. James Smith a lot of these actors also lived on in law and order. Orange is the new black and you know. I guess I'm I'm wondering you know? Have we grow? How are we better as a society like? Can we embrace sexuality in a healthier way, and maybe at this film might not get made because we're just would look at something like this and say you know this is glorifying. Violence against women and you know it's something we as a society. We WanNA see anymore. Yay. I mean that's a lot of. That question comes up a lot as you know. Have we learned anything? Have we? You know with this? Get made again. I mean I. Don't think he would get this movie like this. We get made you know if we're you know. They probably have a female director attached to it but yeah I I think that I mean just looking at the way in which the film and the. The Were were criticized and talked about and made fun of you. Know I mean I I. Don't think we've. Learned much of the lessons that we probably should have learned. You know twenty five years ago. I mean just look at the way. The we you know the way we re critique things in the we fun of celebrities in you know just the yeah. Just showgirls was just became. A pylon was easy. It was easy target for a lot of people, and I think that that's something that were used to doing in just looking.
"25 years" Discussed on Feast of Fun
"Knife on you. So that were at this restaurant and he ends up being our waiter like a pancake house or something like that and I was having a birthday party. He's just say hey. Why don't you come to our Party? And he goes okay. You know so. He comes to the Party and it's all a bunch of Queens right. He walks in and I'm like you guys, everyone, Nomi, Malone and. And, they're like Oh God, he looks like no will, so we sat him down at this party and put him in front of the, and he watched a showgirls pretty much by himself, because everybody else already seen it, and that he was just like doubt, movie was incredible, so guess what he does. He ends up becoming a stripper and moves. Vegas Oh my never heard from him again. The path of him was he felt that Peter felt that. This film really connected with him, and so he got into bodybuilding, and naturally as a consequence he got into stripping a dancing at clubs, and as a consequence of that he started doing private lap dances, his his life mirror the fictional life of the character of Nomi Malone and just like in the sense that when he moved to Las Vegas. He had a lot of interpersonal problems, so did as well, and we ran into him like several years later after all that stuff. He's like you know that movie really kind of messed up his sons. And I felt really bad. Because in a Lotta ways as us as lgbtq people, we have this kind of language to navigate intense films like this one, but I think. Thinking mostly identifies as heterosexual, but just like kind of Lisbeth Berkeley, he somebody craving a lot of attention, and so his sexuality then becomes something for him to negotiate with right so in the film showgirls Nomi Malone pretty much has sex or flirts with everybody. Right and in this case you know Peters, sexuality was up for grabs and I hope that he's in a better place now like we lost complete touch with this guy, but he for. Major dancer and the Chicago Gay. Nightclub Scene Yeah. Yeah! I mean well. Many. People have a story like that, but. They affect people different ways. You know hopefully, if peters out there and he's listening to this, let let us know and hopefully all turned out. Okay for you. I mean because we're going back to I mean this is twenty five year. This is not this is. Because it's a twenty five year anniversary of showgirls, yeah, so Jeffrey today like in terms of the impact and the influence that this film has had on filmmakers and portraying sexuality and films. What what what do you make of it like it? Has showgirls influenced anybody except you know awesome, new and pizzas. Random strippers or I think there's you can probably pull out threads and references. You know in a lot of films and TV shows, and in characters, but yeah I think one of the one of the real interesting things is just the Lgbtq community in Queer people, and the way that we we connect with it, and we use it the way that we connect with each other, and you know the lines, and and just the references just becomes part of our lexicon, and and you know it's it's this thing that we that we love and Yes, I I think that's that's kind of the beauty of it lies. You know what I really loved about your your to is how you showed showgirls in the milieu or of. Work like you can't really look at showgirls just on its own because to understand the film, you also have to see some of his other films, and he had a lot of like reoccurring themes. Almost sometimes, it seemed like scenes where, but same scene from another movie was in this kind of thing it almost as though he's kind of talking the same story, but in different kinds of ways over and over again. Yeah I mean a lot of his films, Emmy. He repeats. Motifs and themes, and and you know kind of tropes and. Just in when I started the project, I you know after reading everything that had been written about showgirls i. just for my own curiosity was like all right well, I should watch all of Paul's early films I mean I'd I had seen his American film. I mean that's how you know we. We know pulver Hogan is. You know Total Recall Robocop, starship troopers, and these these sci-fi blockbusters, and so most for most people I. Think showgirls doesn't really make sense. You know when you look at. His American films book once I started to go back in and watch all early films I mean. It was just amazing to see these threads in these these motifs and these weird little moments that you know you can't really explain in showgirls that have roots. In his early careers, and I wanted to find a way to to connect showgirls with the rest of his films and. To do that visually and make like a new subplot where you know the characters in his other films or their experiences are interacting with. The contributors in no man and in with showgirls, so it was just seeing these you know that the chips and the nails and consumption of dog food, and like people vomiting over the place I mean it. It was just. I I I basically had every film loaded into my editing system, and I would just drop a marker every time you know and I would put like nails vomit. Anytime something because it was. After watching like the first two. I'm like okay like. A like something's going on here. I wanted to find a way to kind of keep track of it all. It certainly gave me a lot of different perspective on it. especially with total recall, it's now I see Arnold Schwarzenegger is kind of basically Nomi Malone in space, right? By the. But is GONNA fight against. It's uh-huh. I was surprised that Paul. hoving actually had another weird sex pool seen in another movie. and mark and I actually tried to recreate that. By you can't. Seem are without somebody underneath you holding you up unless you're trained I. Don't think I think you know when they actually film that there was probably somebody and scuba gear underneath a Elizabeth Berkley holding her up, so she could flap around the pool like that or there was a chair or.
"25 years" Discussed on Feast of Fun
"You have great tits. There really, beautiful. Like Nice! Always have have actually. I like having least. You back to show off. I didn't like showing up cheated. Why not? Looking at him there, everybody likes looking at. Me Feel like a hooker. You are a horde darling. No, I'm not we all are. We, take the cash we cash the check. Show them. Let me loss. To, it's been twenty five years since showgirls hit movie theaters to confused and terrified public promoted as all about eve in a g string, the movie is demented roller coaster ride through the eyes of Nomi, Malone and ambitious dancer who screams slams and screws her way to the top of a Las Vegas showgirl revue. God s like Paul behoves previous film. Basic Instinct showgirls was supposed to be a star vehicle. Elizabeth Berkley. Instead the saved by the bell actress spent the rest of her career, wrestling with the trauma of being labeled the worst actress in the worst film. In Hollywood, history today documentary filmmaker Jeffrey Mikhail joins us to take a look at why people still. Still can't stop talking about showgirls all these years later, jeffries feature film debut. You don't know me, explores the themes of sexual violence camp, and outrageousness and Palmer hove films and interviews, a wide variety of fans of this cult classic, including our Dear Friend Peaches Christ, listen as we take a look at how showgirls inspired early drag characters on social media like human resources, Irene and Crystal Connors, and how it was the bedrock of many of the great moments at of funds zone, history, Darlan, thinking new by nails for me now, sugar sure why not a second thought? I'm a little too old for that. Hori look you never too old for that Hori look. I'm Fausto for no I'm mark million and this is feast of fun. Before we begin. Let's listen to a clip of Elizabeth. Berkley on David Letterman, promoting showgirls before critics and movie goers got to see it. Elizabeth was so excited about the role. She offered to give David Letterman a lap dance, technically speaking, what is? Is Illegal in most Oh yeah, what is it exactly? I would do it for you, but you're. Sensors would have thrown off. Johnston I'll tell you that on. Basically it's it's about seduction. The woman basically. And it's about power, and the woman basically is being paid to seduce and to. Sit on my lap yet well, let me just say one thing. I'm not gonNA show you the whole thing. These are things you have to see in the movie, but this is the basic musician enough right there. Hey Hi is this Jeffrey Mchale? This is Jeffrey. It's mark and Fausto from Feast of fun. How are you great, guys? How are you doing great I am a big Fan of the movie. SHOWGIRLS and I've been anticipating your documentary film. You don't know me. I know that you've been working writing about this film for a long time. And I have to say a must be weird now. Not having them all. Come over you like that. Well, yeah, you know. I missed that I missed that. It's not the same anymore. You saw this film at a film festival in two thousand five. You say you change your life forever. It did I was actually you know. I think it was the via screening in. Two Thousand Fifteen It was actually the end of the film. You don't know me. We Have Elizabeth Berkley introducing the film. To a crowd of four thousand people, I was actually one of those four thousand people so we you know living in La, you know we go to those screenings every summer and sometimes because it's La, and because most people live here if someone wants to participate, or someone wants to save, few words who was in the film they might. They might join the the event, but I don't think any of us ever expected. You know misnomer Malone. Malone would be there in person, and it was just amazing. It was yeah I can imagine the crowd. Just kind of went wild like us. It was a surprise to everyone right Oh. Yeah I mean it was a complete surprise. I mean the the the guy introduced the film. He he comes out there in kind of gives his introduction, and then he says and I think I have somebody here who from the film that wants to say a few words and There's just audible gasps. You know and people like what what what and then all. There was like this delay until when Pe- until which he walked out until would she stepped in front of the the camera where she was projected on the wall to and so there was this slow gradual like audible gasps that gradually made its way to the back where we were, and it was just incredible, I mean she. She said something that really stuck with me that that night was. This was the first time in twenty years that she was going to experience the film with a crowd that embraced. What A GAG! It's insane. Like part of it is like for people are not familiar with the film showgirls. It's Paul Verhoeven most controversial film, even though he's made equally outrageous films that certainly put. Violence Fantasy Sexuality Exploitation of people, Front and center and and this film above all his other films, a really at the time was rejected very viscerally by the press and the general public in preparing for this interview, like I went online and watch. Elizabeth Berkley having a conversation about the film with David Letterman who had not seen the film. She's like doing lap dances for him. So Elizabeth Berkley really anticipated that the public was going to embrace her as.
"25 years" Discussed on Busted Open
"Utilizing their stars because they they don't want to come across as well we want. We want to get over and you know. Make everybody else job guys right and we were kind of. We were talking in break now. We didn't know where you were going with. Weekly winner but we were talking a little bit about. Aws did kind of Highlight that marquess. I do believe that when we talk about eighty. W win win. You talked specifically about the group of Cody the Bucks Jericho Omega. Let's let's go for for for prosperity sake to go off of those guys. Obviously the kind of the the the the cogs in the machine that why we even got W to begin with. I think they were very aware coming into this. That all is we're going to be on them in terms of. Hey if we want to get people to come to our company we want to get people to sign with us. We don't want to monopolize the titles. We don't WanNa do what everyone thinks we're going to do. Which in this case is okay? The young bucks are going to be tagged champions. Okay can you is going to be in battled for the title chase right off the Bat. I think Jericho getting the title made sense right but we kind of we. I think they thought like fans from the standpoint. Hey we don't WANNA put ourselves over so through the course of that mark and you are right like as we give our weekly winner. Eight W had a hell of a show. From Matt Hardy continuing his broken brilliance and Damascus M. A. M. F. Kudrik cutting a essentially a pandemic promo in really showing no fs given to cody's video package to Darby Allen's package. It was a great product by a e. W but I go back to kind of those guys. Is We talk about the bucks and cody and Omega under booking themselves. I think they were trying to do the favor for their for their friends. Their colleagues and tried to make all awol elite wrestling all inclusive to the entire roster. But through that. You've under booked Kenny Omega and the Young Bucks to the Point Mark. If you're just checking out a w for the first time and if. You're just hearing about Kenny Omega for the first time or at least since October up what are you. What are you know about Kenny Omega? You certainly don't think he's the best professional wrestler in the world. Which by many people's account he is so there is there needs to be an adjustment there. Mark I'm one hundred percent with you. Yeah and and and I'd like to see that adjustment and there's a little bit in because of the tournament's matches that are for lack of a better term than not emotionally thrilling there. Let's get through this to get to the pay per view and with that being said I would have to give my number one to Rav you not I. Alas and Drew McIntyre from the beginning of the show In open to you know making the match for the main event and is not just one guy you know. There's a lot that that went on. That is responsible for the show. Being good being a good show and all matches were not super stellar. Matches is just that the work will start solid and the stories that were told during those matches. Got Me on Monday so raw. Your number one this week and we didn't talk about it but I I absolutely mirror that and I haven't given roll my weekly winner in quite some time. I know it's been a while since I have mark and you say you know it's not one man. It wasn't one match. No you're right. It was one woman it was the Zelina Vegas show. She was staggered throughout that. Show the three hours of RAW Selena. Vega was in every hour obviously. She was involved in multiple matches. She had multiple promos. It felt like the show was built for her. And I couldn't be more on board with that. Selena Vega we were talking about Lacey Evans says the white dress man. It was also was the white dress. I'm I mean I'm glad you cut through the Bullshit Nobel. Let's be through the Bush. She was. She wore a hill out there. White dress man. Yes she did. She kill that you brought sexual chocolate out. Zelano now I gotta deal little chocolate great great that we are. We already had the Megan. The stallion problem in our one. All you no Zelina man. Yes the white dress. Obviously e optically when Selena is on the screen you kind of you kind of stop and be like. Oh my goodness who is that. But then she opens her mouth her ability to cut a promo her confidence. Her timing we were talking about timing was Shawn Michaels and triple H in their comedic. Her her back and forth with Charlie and her attitude and her. I don't know man it's just it's just something he sometimes. You can't even place it. She's confident she's sexy. She's the perfect valet. She can work in the ring to if that if that needs to be As we've seen in other pay per views throughout the year it just felt like Zelina Vegas show I it. We happened through all three hours. Raw also has three hours to fill unlike all the other shows we talk about. So you're absolutely right. Obviously the continuation of the cruiserweight tournament. That's happening on raw. That played into it as well. We got some funny Or excuse me some fun matches not the excuse me not the a cruiserweight tournament but the money in the bank qualifiers we gotTa Apollo crews. Haven't his moment on raw. We got a great moment from Alastair Black it just it just felt like a well put together show and again. I go back to highlighted by the one and only Selena Vega her white dress and her promo abilities. I hope we see a lot. More from Selena Vega going forward with all of it all also you know. I I left this out. The buckle bomb heard around the world was kind of Something and I'm not Jackson is looking more and more like the dairy says we missed the boat and I think some of that is because she got injured. No go back right to where they left off and I think that it's GonNa work. I just I'm just feeling this thing about Nyah. The way she is the female version of what shameless is doing right. Now is a shop running through everybody and not just anybody but curry saying is a is a brilliant talented female wrestler and Man I made short worker. And that's that's that's impressive. What do you see you bring up the Buck Obama around? What do you think about the buckle bomb? Lot of conversation around the buckle bomb more trouble than it's worth your obviously a hall of Famer. You've been doing this. You know your entire adult life. Mark rollins does better than everybody and say guys too. Many people getting hurt doing that because they're not putting the person in the right spot and Tim Noah's and it's it's funny that the two guys that can give it in the two guys that can take the best Wins and Seth rollins like say. Look guys this is Kinda odd thing everybody else. Stay away from it and then you fix the problem. I liked that I liked all right. That is going to do it for our weekly winner here in our to busted open raw getting the nod if he ain't I your last congratulations Monday night. Raw a really. Well done three hour show in the middle of a pandemic in the a little help from a white dress and the spicy spicy want herself. Lena Vega Great Work Zelina. What a Monday night. Raw solid week in professional wrestling. A W going off the rails. The FLIMFLAM DANCE CHRIS. Jericho continuing his. I mean just anything that does mortgages. Can't even you can't deny Chris Jericho you know and he and I didn't say I wouldn't say that he's single handedly redefine what it is to be a serious wrestler that could go on and entertain does not many guys in pro wrestling. That's a serious contender. As he is in any brand that can go out and play ha ha like the Flimflam and still be over as hail listening catches Monday. Through Saturday I'm busted open from nine. Am To noon eastern on Sirius Xm by Nation Channel. 156 busted open podcast..
"25 years" Discussed on Busted Open
"And doing the stuff that brothers do I thought it. It gave a little bit of life to television last night. And I thank them for because you want you want to take your mind off how painful some stuff is. Yeah absolutely and we'll get plenty more on smackdown including the continuing story of Braun Strowman. Bray Wyatt we'll talk about Barron corporate going over on drew Goulash and get some thoughts on Jeff Hardy. But before we continue and get to all the rest of smackdown want to stay a little bit on triple h mark and. I know you. And Dave dived into legacy of triple h yesterday and. I do agree. You know when you look at the front office and you look at his in ring work. You look at The ability to put on compelling storylines later in his career the longevity that he said I think he's definitely top fifteen and full disclosure mark. I was never the biggest triple h fan specifically in the two thousands. That's not to say I didn't like him he just. He wasn't one of my favorites growing up. I didn't look at triple H and I was like. Oh He's the guy necessarily now ninety eight ninety nine DX. There was no denying when I think of triple H I romanticized that era. Obviously the invasion of WCW we saw the highlights last night the return on raw in two thousand two coming off the injury two thousand three whatever it was there were certainly great moments. But the the I guess the improvement or the rising of his legacy over the specifically the last ten years has been incredible. But I do go back to that. Original thought mark when I think of triple h is best working when I think of where you talk about him. Potentially being in the top fifteen every top fifteen top twenty top ten wrestler has to. Have you know an era that they presided over? H You presided over many eras but specifically that attitude era. And what he did with the ex when Sean wasn't around it proved that h didn't need Sean. Necessarily and he could carry a stable he could carry a storyline his own. And my God those story lines of the attitude era and with DX being led by triple h that was literally some of the best professional wrestling of my life mark. Yeah we're we're we're going to talk about The last dance series with Michael Jordan in Chicago Bulls. Yeah and you notice I said Michael Jordan and the Chicago Bulls. That's that's how Shawn Michaels and and tribulation. Dax Are you you you mix those two together and you you know they. They don't fill out the ex but they're the prominent role players in the ex Triple as did not nieve Shawn. Michaels like Michael. Scottie needed Michael Right. He didn't they were essentially they were. They had to Michael Jordan's in that unit and It was it was pretty damn impressive. The way they navigated and when they got in a fight you know it it toward the expert and just finally so and. That's something that I think is going to be held at a high regard in this whole saga of triple H is. Because he was good. Enough to stand on his own and not be overshadowed by Mr Wrestlemainia Gaddis in the top five top. Six of all time and didn't get overshadowed a lot. Yes it does. Yes it does. Yeah Michael You're hearing catch. Busted Open live Monday through Saturday from nine. Am To noon eastern on Sirius Xm eight-nation Channel One fifty six or on demand with this series Xm APP. We are still talking smack down last night while we're still in our one of course we're still talking smack down just kinda hit. What twenty five year. Celebration OF TRIPLE H. We're talking break. Mark I thought it was pretty cool. That Vince McMahon came out. I mean he was all over the place but it had a little bit of realism to it. I it gave a little bit hard to it. You could see that Vince was kind of overrun with emotion. It almost looked like he was tearing up and he and he called the triple H. Paul referencing obviously Paul triple h his real name but it it it it created a moment it created heart and it really felt like it put a stamp on the twenty five year. Celebration a triple. H You know it. It did and prevents to come out and and not Call him trip or age You know hunter or whatever. He called him. Paul and Paul is his son the son by marriage but still nonetheless They work as closely together as probably any father and son in law has ever worked in history. What I say that I mean literally on the plane together in the same place eating like you know. Give the family situation with the kids like you. You're always around Granddad. The kids always record that so very close knit family. And you can't fake that can of respect as well as love for somebody and Vince did get emotional a couple of times and and he had to make it make light of the situation to get out of it. I Love Yeah. I feel like I feel like Vince is the real ric flair. I know we kind of Give Rick. Shit right they use. He's always crying. In fact they made a joke about it last night on smackdown. But we've seen it a few times for Vince his career. We've seen it in behind the scenes feature. It's Vince really does care. I know people have a lot of thoughts on them. And I'll be the first to critique Vince McMahon and some of the things that you know he's done in the wwe has done but it doesn't take away from the fact that I know will last week obviously with the releases and everything but Vince really does care about his employees and and and and I think it shows when you see stuff like that now yes it's fair to say he cares about some employees a little bit more than he does and others can. I think I think that goes for us. Ed goes for everybody. That goes for any job right. That goes for any job but he did. I liked it. He is not afraid to show emotion and he's done it more than once and we saw it again last night the real ric flair. Vince McMahon. When it comes to crying I've got this. How about you when when all the work goes back and CO workers are back in their natural environments and somebody has that you know you have that community refrigerator. And he's got a he's got a tupperware with somebody's name on it and Arab. Somebody gives ready to eat something that belongs to somebody else and they go. Hey what are you doing like that? That's the kind of fun as pope. Vince pokes Vince does the stuff. That's real close to the surface that everybody will understand. And last night when he when he poked at at Paul our almost trip I call drip but when when he poked fun at him it made you feel like you knew them closely and you were you were there and man. That's that's what we need right now. We need that kind of interaction because we wanna feel close to prowrestler really hard to do in a studio show as well as we mentioned so Yeah well done well done on that celebration of the twentieth of of triple h absolutely and speaking of well done Mark this continuing future this continuing I guess bill. That's not really I mean it is it is it isn't it isn't because we haven't seen a lot of face to face interaction but Braun strowman and Bray y you know meeting at money in the bank for the Universal Championship. They aired a video package last night. And it really I. It focused on Braun strowman introduction to the the main roster in the WWe universe as the black sheep Braun strowman and they were showing those clips and it was like Twenty fifteen twenty fifteen and I just. It blew my mind from the standpoint. First of all it was really well done package. It made me more hyped for Braun strowman and Bray Wyatt to put a lot of things in context and it reminded me that even though it was just five years ago that introduction feels like a Lifetime. I I just feel like we've been living with Braun strowman and Bray Wyatt both together and separate entities for a long time and it kind of it. Kind of re centered my enjoyment in my excitement factor for this feud and where this match could go mark. I don't know how it hit for you but I thought it was really well done in. I guess it was in the brief time that we saw from. It wasn't a lot but it resonated. I think it was really well done. And it proves that you have to work constantly when you're in front of the camera because you never know when they're gonNA need the pool footage from your pass so make sure that you have plenty of moments in your history. So that when your time comes that there's plenty of of stuff to to be shown and. Brian has a lot of stuff to be shown he did a lie and people you know you almost forget. It's only been five years but in that five year period. He's got ten years worth of material. Yeah because of the yeah and feels that way like it legit like it feels like ten years. Those five years now granted those five years. It just felt like five years but even in the pro wrestling landscape those five years feel like a lifetime and it did kind of bring back memories of sweet cheeses mark what what took did why. Why did it take five? Years and Roman reigns dropping Wrestlemainia and the chaos of Goldberg and stroke of the way for this to happen for him to finally get his first his first major title when we talk about obviously universal or the wwe title. I mean mark just a couple of years ago this was a guy who was pulling down stages and you know having big setups and big storylines and it looks like the whole world in the whole company was behind him but then there was a pause. I just that that video package kind re-instill not my anger but my my frustration or my confusion as to why this didn't happen earlier for the black sheep Braun strowman. I think that the biggest moment of all out of every moment that he ever had was him and brock touching at the royal rumble. No questions when they started doing live rounds at each other. Bang boom a knee here. It was time but we see right now that there was other plans for brock. And it it would. It's made a lot if they went with that. And you know what timing is everything and luckily for us in pro wrestling. We've had plenty of time now to circle back.
"25 years" Discussed on Busted Open
"I got Mark Henry across the way we gotta stick show for you today including a recap of last night's thoughts on smackdown twenty five year celebration of Triple H. The chemistry was Shawn Michaels. Hpk making a surprise appearance was off the hook. And Vince McMahon was off the hook. It just kind of an entirely different way mark very interesting night for triple. H Vince McMahon and Shawn Michaels man. Listen is always good to see vents in his element. But everybody don't get to see it that often and you will see it on this version of the podcast shooting from the hit people view Freddie Mac getting it in getting all right also well. It is a Saturday mark. And it'd be best if I didn't mention of course was Saturday. Combs our weekly winner in the world of professional wrestling. Who took it well? I guess you'll just have to click play and find out we're also GONNA hit on Braun Strowman and his continue waiting or continuation making upwards now as we sit here and do this podcast with the right Bray Wyatt and Braun strowman. The continuation of that story is the weekend edition of Busted Open. Radio I'm Ryan McConnell. That's Mark Henry. Click that play button. Let's get underway. Let's go starting with that. Twenty five years celebration of triple h before we get some memories and legacy what what was up with. Vince McMahon last night. We're GONNA get to some audio here in a second but that that dude was all over the place. He alternated from it. Felt like a roast of h Shawn Michaels. And then it was like a love fest and it went back and forth. What what did you think about any kind of shooting from the hip last night on smackdown? I thought that it was in look like a dad. That wanted to really roasted son right. But then again he wanted. Okay let me stick to the business and let's keep that business gone but but but my mind I wanna say this. I wanted to like he was. He was conflicted man. That was actually good. You can tell he cares about it. You can. And and let's hear a little bit from Vincent Kennedy McMahon Last night on smackdown her trying to I guess congratulate but at the same time roast triple h and Shawn Michaels as well as any Mac last night on smackdown. What a horrible way to come out. God awful it her an expression sought. I mean I would use a word near and dear. I hear it all the time from him. It was Rodney absolutely rob. I'm ashamed that you guys. Oh my God and if you haven't put everybody to sleep by now I'll say good night and good night padre. Let's wrap it up. Are you throwing us out? All right mark you heard it there. Vincent McMahon Vincent Kennedy McMahon the well the the the father of WWe. Well he like you said he was back and forth. We heard it. They're a little bit. That was a little bit of the roast that Vinnie Mac was trying to throw at triple h and Shawn you rose right actually like bring out people in well. We do that right. We had the we had the video chats from Rick Flair and road. Dogg like day chimed in it. Did you know what all things considered? Let's just baseline. We'll we'll pause on Vince here for a second. But like just baseline the theory of doing a tribute show during a pandemic with no audience. Right resources are limited. I thought they knocked out of the park. All things considered with the video chats a little humor. It felt like the pacing. Was there yet. Vinnie Vincent inch was a little bit all over the map but it had heart mark it had heart and I thought it played well on TV. I do think that AAA deserves that too. And it's very easy to tell your truth about somebody when they've been great as he has for as long as he's been great and. I compared him yesterday to John. Elway like he was a great player. Not just a good player but a hall of fame player and then went in the front office in one of Super Bowl and is going to be a hall of fame. Front Office Guy. Triple ages is one of those guys and Dave said you know what triple H is slowly moving up the ladder in the top. Ten Top fifteen of all time wrestler Zhou and I agree with that not just from the standpoint of his wrestling career. I think is wrestling career. Did that already. I think that him being a guy that that's able to add to the business and look where would we be if his vision of the PC and the developmental system didn't come to fruition and his will be right and his belief in the ricochets of the world and the Fin? Baylor's of the world? The Kevin Owens Osam using the list goes on and on the people that went through the PC and his belief in them. It's a very fair question mark. We're GONNA be talking about the actual plays where raw inex- T in smackdown are being produced in house right now during this pandemic where would they be? If that didn't exist it would not be the same probably somewhere in Florida. Definitely play somewhere would be somewhere in Florida. You know what I really liked. John elway comparison. I it for the reasons that you said. Obviously the champion on the field and then go into the front office and win in the Super Bowl very apt. I think you can take it a step further mark where you can make the argument that triple. H got better with age. He had to change his style right which which required some changes in his his character and it can kind of the way that he went about doing his business. But then you think about the undertaker you think about the undertaker at mania you think about Daniel Bryan and the triple threat. Obviously the first part of that triple threat their match at wrestlemania thirty very similar in the sense that elway left with two championships and retired on top. Triple H has done some of his best work as he's gotten older essentially marquees won championships later in life. Just like right. Yeah I mean there's a lot of comparisons and a lot of people that I know that. No Triple H. They feel like he would have been better if he had not been serious if he ever been more a comedic presence if he because he's a funny guy. I mean onto watching. What are you meaning? Funny I can see him. Being the Owen Hart type. He was very for like a practical joker. Like the quick witted. Always wanted to kick you in the balls you know. I mean it's he found a way to make light of a serious situation. Always sometimes to a deficit people like listen man. It's a serious like cut it out. No more joking okay. And then he'd hit you with another joke. Well I'm glad you I'm glad you brought that up. Because we had a little bit of an example of that last night triple h relying on his comedic presence right and is timing with the one and only heartbreak kid. Shawn Michaels make last night on smackdown. We have some audio mark Shawn Michaels triple h even in twenty twenty us. Having not seen them on television together in a little while the chemistry is still there. That timing is still there and that comedic presents is still there. Is this triple h and Shawn Michaels last night on smackdown one of the greatest? Wwe performers of all time that game triple h twenty five year anniversary. And if you're not down with that I got two words for Ya. Easy social distancing. Buddy show so distancing I love you. Don't touch all right that was triple h and Shawn Michaels on smackdown mark. And you heard it there at the at the end. Right kind of making light of the social distancing and having a little bit of fun listen I I saw some folks on social media You with their comments on the joke and I understand. It's it's testy time I mean people are people don't even WanNa hear like we're all in this together anymore like I think. Certain commercials are starting to bother people so so. I get the making light of the social distancing may of people the wrong way but at the same time. That's what triple H and Shawn. Michaels have always done especially when they're together mark they they light to start up. They like to have a little bit of fun. And they like to bring levity to the world of professional wrestling and I just want to give a tip of the cap to both of them from the standpoint that they just don't miss a beat man you put those two together and they are gold every single time and I have to agree with you and you know a man like nobody wants to hear too soon is too soon and people need. I know people are suffering financially. I know there's people that are Emotionally distraught because they have lost people and they came going be there for them dying or yeah go to their funerals like it's a lot of stuff going on that's got people on edge and they're not the not ready to laugh at it yet and I would say to. Those people is for the same reason that we still have. Perecent is why we're trying to get away from not having pro wrestling and elaborate a little bit on that. Yeah elaborate a little bit on that thought. The whole world is pretty much shut down but pro wrestling. Still exist is still on television. Live three days a week and not just WM art. Yeah Yeah not just the WWE and there's some people does going to hate on that because it has nothing to do with them but for all the people that rely on pro wrestling as a form of entertainment to get through this tough time it's essential it is highly essential and I don't expect everybody to agree because everybody doesn't agree on on anything except Bacon. I don't think much for Tattoos Mark I. I'm pretty actually. I don't think you have any but that would be. That would be a really good tattoo. That would be a really good tattoo. Really has the very least a very good? T shirt T. shirt vegans. Then the banking is most smell as Bagel. Really know is but best in the time that we're living in the social climate of all these people being very sensitive infrared justifiable reason. And like as you said this is the entire world man. It's just television right. You see people in in Europe in Asia in Russia and India in Saudi Arabia Canada Mexico. Like all of North America. You see everybody. Suffering the same thing is hard to have a seat humor. Sometimes but was Sean and triple as together.
"25 years" Discussed on Reel Chronicles
"Dvd commentary for thief another Godfather Tie INS. Yeah cool the next one. Don Johnson was briefly considered for the role of Michael Thereto. No you don't know Y- I think it'd be too distracting. Yeah he was also discussed as a possible backup for both Robert De Niro and Al Pacino in case one of them said no Don Johnson. You wouldn't have the same no I don't think so. And speaking of Toronto. Along with Azure Claude. Van Damme was prefixed by God. I would've loved this much. This is so amazing. No you're right. There would have been martial arts. Janklow and damage would have been pleased knowing you would've wanted unnecessary split happening in the fight scenes. What you do split issue. Like his AK forty seven could have been epic battle. Twenty-three this one was literally it was signed and delivered until it wasn't cannery was originally signed to play Chris no way yeah and and they ended up losing the part when Val kilmer was able to squeeze in filming heat while Filming Batman forever so that means that they wanted kilmer more than Kiana and they had Kiana ready to rock hill made it worse but he was shooting Batman at the time he was. He couldn't get it in but he was able to fit in fitted in for the KILMER's fantastic get into it in a little bit Also before casting a row Brad Pitt was also considered for the role of Chris. That would've been. It had the longhaired interview. The vampire had long do so i. I could've nate. John Voice Characters may is based on a real life former career criminal Edward Bunker bunker at previously starter another famous heist film. You guys want to guess no idea. One thousand nine hundred to one of my favorite directors reservoir dogs. Oh shoot and finally. This is one of Christopher Nolan's favor film. The film inspired version. Gotham city as I mentioned before interesting enough to speak. This began a decade after he. Two Thousand Five. Bam begins and to continue the Batman theme Val Kilmer Played Batman in one thousand nine hundred men forever so those are my twenty five fun facts. If there's a lot of tie INS to Batman in heat more well you knew right. You're like Oh I feel like I've seen this before. Was She was in Star? Wars? All righty. So let's get to our categories in our awards that guy from award. Oh Yes let's please that guy with that girl so it's funny that that Guy Award. I had like seven characters. I was ready to give it to but I spoke with one so I went with that girl award and I went amy Brenneman okay. Ziti IDI outside of heat. I've only seen her in fear. Daylight eight minutes however I go back and say yeah. That's that lady from heat. So that's why I went with her. What would you guys go with so I treated that guy differently? I went to like as I'm watching. He or do I know that guy from So I originally had Danny Trejo. Why well because I mean it's something like Oh wait? That's Danny Trejo. I ended up getting a Dennis. Hays bird out here Dennis. Hays Vert plays he plays the President Palmer. Twenty four and he does all the prudential commercials. Donald the the cook. That gets up the ends up helping in here in major league. Yes isn't he. Cute the Cuban player Cuban play. Yes Oh Dennis Hanes were when I'm like wait a minute. That's that's president poverty. That's my take again. Nothing because I can't be like. Oh that guy from he when obviously this is my first time seeing he perfect all righty so the debt lift shrimp craw MVP delicious six man of the movie best supporting player with Val kilmer here as Chris. Same thing in a special shout out to his girl friend with that his wife already her. She was a reformed prostitute turned. I think wife so all right. So Ashley Judd Charlene. She like you mentioned before. She knows she wants yes. Yes and I think both of them stand down on the roads especially Chris As his neal's right hand man. Yeah I think the scene sands offer me more and why I think I mean I think he stands out throughout the entire movie but I didn't want the Seena hate for me and we'll work the best for both of them is towards the end of the movie at the cursor coverage from getting shot. And he's trying to. He's going back he's going to rejoin charlene good to go. And then he sees her just wave him off here and the look of devastation on his face like I survive this. I'm willing back to you and I can't even. I can't even do that. I think that scene just like this guy. This guy. My deadly shrimp yeah. I think easily even when you like. It's funny because we mentioned for like that Guy Award Right. You have Danny Trae Ho Hankins area. Jeremy piven Yeah Natalie Portman Ashley Judd. What's something that has aged the worst Jeremy piven hairline? Where did I hear that here left and came back real quick author Ron Ron James Baby? Oh my God go with that kind of star power. You figure like all right. The Sixth Man Award is going to be tough and VAL kilmer just stands out. He just so much and even like he doesn't have that much of actual like Like dialogue ways in it. He has quite a. I felt like I wanted to go by lumber. I definitely felt like when he's at the House and he gets there and he's like he's trying to get her to get ready to go out. I felt like so much conflict within him. He did so much. He ate up to scenery whenever he was on it. Yeah big time I loved Kilmer Kilmer for sure right. Did you want to add anything now? You guys are the perfectly awesome all. Righty the start crying in baseball. So I did cry of laughter as some of these moments. Let's START WITH NEIL. So Neil Shunning Eddie at the bar cracked me up Joe. Because she was aggressively pushing up yes she was ready to like. Yeah I WANNA go home with you. I love Neil's like lady. Why are you interested in Hawaii here? I was like shunned to no end. That made me chuckle a little bit but al Pacino was his fucking lines here. Some of my favorite. When he's like give me got. GimMe all you got. No one was great. I like I'm going to save my favorite for less. I really like and I thought it was really funny. When he finds out that his wife is cheating on. Oh my gosh. And he's like when he walks out but you won't take my motherfucking television just grabbed the television and leaves. That's fantastic and finally which I think is ad libbed because I think if you watch that scene. I think he wants to say but he says this wonderful line. Oh God I've been waiting for this probably anywhere. We're going to record this episode. I knew I was gonNA come out and shut Jenny while we were testing. She tried to do the audio for it. And just no no no she. You GotTa do it. This do it buddy. When Dave van a van Damme the guy that Charlene was cheating on. Yeah yeah the Hankins area. When he's I what did I get involved with that bitch? He's like Shh. Gosh she's got a and you got your head the cocaine Al Pacino. Must've you're the fuck up when I first Jenny because I had been seeing it. I said a randomly onetime Davis at Church and readily just says the words from this movie called. He never seen it when she saw she got it. I cried fucking hilarious. I go I hope you guys it in cry. Ferdie sadness and this wasn't crying but there were some heartfelt moments. I definitely I I felt bad whenever like the win. Eighties in the car waiting. And and he's walking up to her and he's like he's the hardest one to crack at getting a significant other. Yeah he's stays solo for such a long time and he finally finds someone that he can trust with that part of himself and he's walking up to the car sees that he's about to get down since right there. In fact I counted. It wasn't less than thirty seconds. Wow Yeah so. They kept true to. He's willing to walk away and I would say that the most heartfelt for me and do you have anything. Well it's funny. I'm on the same vein as Leo. I went more. I was screaming at the television. Deniro going back to kill the SNITCH. Just fucking go. You have everything you want. Just go crazy stupid. That's great point. Ri- Francis done like Vincent. I'm just going go home and sleep. I'm done like I've lost him and he admits like that's why. I love that scene at the diner because they don't want to. They both respect each other right away. I love that. Yes they don't want a day just happen to be Opposite end one's a one's a cop ones a bank robber so it just happens to be like they don't want to kill each other but do they have to. They both said it. They're like look I'd like you but if it's between you and that I'm going with that already so let's move peaks and valleys and for any anyone any any listener pieces. Who Peaked with this movie? Valley's who had the best career after I think my peak was pretty easy this week. Okay so I won't with Kevin Gage who plays wing grow? Oh shoot our own anything else. He's ever been in. Okay Jason Momoa look alike. I can't remember his. He's wing grow. He's the SNITCH. He's the all tattered up guy. I don't remember I even looked at his resume after I. I don't own anything he's ever been in so I actually. That's a solid picky peaked with heat and I never heard from him again. That's a really solid pick. He's a really big road he too so I think he become like this cliche nineties action villain type of thing down. I never really heard from him again. That's my peak. What are you pick? Actually you know it's funny Either the same thing I wanted to like I am. I ended up relying on Diane Nora who's that she's steen. Oh yeah that's a good one to actually peaked with he dirani. When we're going through the trophy room. She was was she was nominated for a Chicago film. Critics Award for best. Supporting actress for heat doesn't cow doesn't count. You know her her. Her main claim to fame after this movie was in one thousand nine hundred she was nominee to nominated for a golden globe. For what for a bird Sherwin but either way there was nothing after the fact. And let's be honest like when you look at the cast of heat like Diana. The Nora's like nine. You're like okay all right so it was like someone you meet at the bank. She's your banker. She's a bank cashier. Banker what about you Riley? You have I went with. I never got his name. The Jason Momoa look like he was one of the head. I can't think of who you're talking to Jason them all look alike Jason. He looks like Jason Momoa at the end of that commercial. Like when he's no longer buff. Oh Jason Momoa ugly Yeah wait. Greenville Mango Yeah look alike. I'm like wait. Is He talking about trae. Oh good I'm like right before. All the CATS YEAH. He was very very clear. Oh my Lord all righty so let's go to the valley valleys. This was a good one so I am by the way with peak. I almost ALPA Chino. If it wasn't for the Irishman I would've done al because I think this may have been his last caliber of work in this very accepts. Dropped after the so. It would have been like an interesting choice for peak but like I was looking at him like okay. But he still had devil's advocate. Donnie BRASCO. Yeah the insider and then the Irishman. Let's be fair. There are movies after this? That people would know him from more than He. Yeah so I couldn't. I couldn't go there all right. So Am I valley actually win with probably I? Don't you probably guys you pick of the Litter Valley's Robert Deniro really years my reason? This is incredible. Robert De Niro had an amazing first half of his career. One of the I think Robert De Niro's probably top three best actress of all time yet. Not Anyone could argue with me on that. However here's here me. After he he made Jackie Brown Wag. The dog analyze this silver linings playbook the Irishman joker great films. However what meet him? My choice was what he did with comedy meet. The fuckers is what meet the meet the Falker I was like like Deniro is huddle areas. When he wants to be fair yes he did me some garbage. I think like if you really look at it. Kill more after this did Batman forever and he did the same but after that I think he kind of just did a lot of TV appearances their work too. Yeah but.
"25 years" Discussed on Talk Is Jericho
"Ciphered threw him through his shady lawyers and then in two thousand one he had a road rage case you know like some guy that cut him off and he got out of Carl you know. Put his finger them so he could have got like two years for that. They said when he got off and he got off. And then the whole Vegas thing you know which I think you know kind of another theory that this was a setup I think the Goldman set. Let him up. We'll tell us what's the Vegas where he you know. He lost a lot of his sports memorabilia. That was his and he had this shady agent. Mike Gilbert Hilbert which he's in those shady character when it first happened. OJ's hundred percent innocent. Now you watch that made in America the thing. ESPN today like he's like oh no. Oj told me he did it and then he says this is this is crazy he goes. Oj told me if she wouldn't if she wanted to answer the door when he knocked on the door she'd still be alive so OJ knocked on the door to gloves gloves on his hands. You know in you know. They never found the murder weapon. Never disclosed never found a sock in his bedroom which stats stats another thing. They found a sock in his bedroom. There's video I guess cops when they go to mercy and stuff they take video and it's dated and timed in the sock. Isn't there in two hours later. It's it's there and there's only blood on the outside of the stock not the inside so you know planted. You know this is Steven Avery. Case is so much. kind of circumstantial cop evidence. Yeah right so so a lot of his merge remember billions getting stolen I it's in in Storage stinks and Mike Mike Gilbert. He owed money to so apparently he took it. And then you know these Tom. Ratio and Bruce Bruce Vermonter like sports member. You guys they go to like talk shows and sell the stuff sell. Yeah like you know autographs and stuff so Tom Radio he he. He's involved in this he calls. OJ and says. Hey I know a guy. It's got your stuff he calls. The guy has a stone says hey I got a big buyer for you so you know and then you know. OJ calls a bunch goons instead of just going there with the cops you know he got it you know knocked on the door. Apparently one of them had a gun. You know there's audio of it. OJ goes. Don't let these guys out of here. You know associated trunk at the time. Og went to the place to buy. Four skaters stuff vegas the Palace Hotel. Wow was like show. Oh someone's room knows in a room hotels them so they call the cost. No they don't call it so he goes there. Take the stuff and you know basically he. He got arrested for stealing his own stuff. But then you know he gets thirty three years for you know you did that. You know you'd have probation for a year. Maybe a month in jail and he got thirty three years he goes the Goldmans thirty three million. Oh there's a conspiracy. Yeah so you think the Goldman said that I think yeah I think maybe even the judge without they hammered him thirty. And what's the charge. Theft Grand Larceny and the gun. The gun heat even have it and in the four guys that were with him turned on them they got probation so the guy got probation to hide the gun thirty three years but he said he's out now yeah he got out on. Here's another thing. Think got freed. October third ninety five for the murder he got put in jail October. Third Two thousand seven thirteen years today. Wow Oh wow in vegas and then wanted to get out. He got October first. Two thousand seventeen so he spent seven ten years in jail nine nine years in jail and then there. There's Tom Radio recording it. Like on a little tape player and it was on top of an armoire so as the cops for because I forgot something so they let them in there and he grabbed the tape and he sold sold the tape to TMZ Harvey for for one Hundred Fifty K.. She's so but on the tape. You hear the cops going. We're going to get this guy this time. Oh yeah you know like like yeah. Yeah what Ellie got wrong. We're going to get right so how how was able to get out. After only nine years two thousand thirteen he. He had a parole hearing which that's on Youtube too and he passed that so he got free to those charges but he's still had other ones. I guess we're more serious so then on July twenty two thousand seventeen. He had another pro hearing got off so I want to hear another weird thing about delight July twentieth. Two thousand seventeen. And we've discussed this. I'm watching mall psyched. And I'm like getting all psyched on pre-game because he goes to I love right boom. I get a call about chester. That's when he passed away right. Same Day crazy. I've been waiting for this day crazy day so as wind down here is what is. OJ You do doing now now. He's he's in Vegas living in one of his buddies. You know because he can't he can't leave. He can leave if he gets permission because he's on parole. I guess you gotTa Wait X.. Amount of time. And you know he's there and I think he is. Kids live in Florida. The Nicole's kids. He's got four kids. He actually had five his third kid. Aaron was it was two years old and and drowned swimming pool So he's there. He's he's kids are Nicole's kids are in Florida and Arnelle. His daughter is in Vegas with them and his other son. Jason is in Florida as well which is relationship with his kids. Apparently pretty good good. You know that's gotta be weird to like. He did it like you know and they don't talk at all which is smart you know that so. OJ Now doesn't really as golf every day. He doesn't know where to work and he's got twitter. which is a foolish move? I'm just waiting for them to say something stupid busy postal every day almost. But it's all about it just fantasy football and politics. It's interesting to think like in this day and age when surprised. Somebody hasn't hired hired him but like you mentioned like fantasy football or something like well is he that blackballed from lifestyle. That and he. He can't get he won't get the money you know and because the goal goes the Goldmans like say. NBC's like we want to hire you for our online fantasy thing they're not going to be do some shady. Because you know like we're not going to siphon to Tim Inc and then we get in trouble wake so and Fred Goldman he set. My mission is life is ruined his You know it's pretty much done. Yeah hold is OJ. Now Seventy two seventy one too much like a lesser version much lesser version Gorna forty three rows or like Chris Ben Wa all of his accomplishments on the field null and void now they still give him credit for his able to separate the two. Now he's still in the hall of fame his Gotcha. You know his heisman trophy still. USC His number is still bill. At you know hang in you know Buffalo Stadium. Whatever it's called which is crazy? I guess it's not retired. 'cause there's a new running back this either this year next year. I'm not a big UH. Not a bills fan is going to get. OJ's number he's getting it thirty to thirty two. So I I it's like you said maybe because he wasn't around It wasn't charged with the murder. That'll stands and I don't think you know even if he was charged. I don't think his accomplishments like he should be taken out of the hall of fame. You know he shouldn't. I shouldn't think so. It's tough but like Pete rose. Okay you were doing a major league. Baseball's time now he suffered enough but right now. Let's Ben while you can ever ever see one of his matches in Vivo. That's a whole different situation. Because there was no question that he did it. I still don't know for sure. Yeah so I guess last couple of questions one what do you think the legacy of of the OJ. Murder trial in the whole situation is definitely the biggest case. And it's so big like like I said. They changed addresses of his his old house. And the more it used to be eight. Seventy five southbound. Now eight seventy nine. Where the address for people people like me that want to drive by take pictures still? They're still they're still find it and they changed the look of it. Like like the look of Bundy it used to be You know this wide open white. You know metal gate you know like now. It's a wooden door. You know even change the neighbors you know you might be like first time. I went there in two thousand and four. You know still live in New Jersey. One of my best friends Cara. She was living out here at the time. And I got off the plane and I flew out here for weekend who would have thought to go see kiss and went picked her up and we had like four hours to sightsee before the show. She's like all right. Where do you WANNA go? I WANNA go immersing to this day. She's like Oh my God I remember because you know faded away for a little tot now again because of the shows he's out but like she went there on my sure this is it because it looks so different for and you couldn't the Internet wasn't that big so you couldn't but then we went around to the back alley. Tobacco is still. It looks the same except the gate looks different than but and then OJ's properties pretty three sixty rockingham now. It's three eighty and it looks different kind of because he's advocate here on Rockingham and then around the corner on Ashford and and now it's just a big grass wall Kinda looks like Wrigley Field and there's two gates on Rockingham now and it's a totally different house because they knocked it down and many times if you've been to those places. Oh Oh my God wants a week when I was when I was I used to live right here in culver city and then I used to go there once a week because like all my friends like why do you keep going there. What what are you going to find like another clue interesting? Plus you know. I'm not the most athletic person but like you know there and it's cool place to walk you know it's part of American history And so Like I take pictures like dude you were there last week but like Oj's house when it got foreclosed he they. They knocked it down owner. That bought it was the guy who member Jerry's famous Deli Bunch from here he boarded and he knocked it down. He said I didn't knock it down because it was over Jay's just more easier a year and financial to knock it down and you know Last question for you kind of absolutist reform it who do you think did it. Just I think it was drug related you know Oh. I can't name their names. But like you know it was drug related you know and Okay and then if OJ did he didn't do by himself. You know I just just. Everybody thinks he snapped. Like you know I. I don't think so and that would be. Oh my God if I could sit down have an hour with him and you know Oj. I would say. Did you do it and he happened to say yes I'd say. Was it premeditated right you know about this ah OJ open Invite to join me and Tim here and make it talk is Oj or and if you wanna tell us the real situation let us know only only because it seems to me like you said he was there at some point he.
"25 years" Discussed on Talk Is Jericho
"When the escape in the Bronco so his house was being `Paparazzi Brasi the whole time and so he didn't WanNa be there do not so. Somehow he escaped his house and went to Kardashians Kardashian. With all the way and Seino so he was there and then he got caught Shapiro went there and said you know you got to turn yourself in and and they were supposed to like have a meeting downtown l.. A.'s Place called Parker Center which is actually in the process of getting demolished right now. And that's where he had his interview and he was supposed to meet their at eleven eleven and just he vanished in him NASC- you know like they didn't know he was gone for like two hours. You know like even the people in the house of controversy the Jazz Ashley told him to do it but he didn't you know so he laughed. And that's when the whole chase whole tastes and the first few hours. Nobody knew where he was. Because you know in the first place he went. It was the Nicole's grave. I don't think he was going to kill himself. I think he did it. You know aside notes. Yeah I think he did out of sympathy. You know you know you notice. The prosecution didn't use the Bronco Chase against them. 'cause the defense could be used sympathy card. Gotcha so how do the were they. Just driving around aimlessly. We will. Yeah I they went to the to the grave and then heading back from the grave degrade was like all the way in Dana Point which is like south from here in La. He they were heading. I'm back so I guess as they were heading back you know somebody saw them no cellphones and had the number of phones on the side of the road on the highway for emergencies can. Oh yeah right right and somebody called and was like yeah just as the White Bronco and then you know boom ninety five million people instead all the networks news Houston Rockets game was on the finals and they said they put that in a little picture. Little box yeah the little box. Yeah that wasn't even top priority. How did the how did the chase end? And they went back to Rockingham and the pulled in the driveway. And Soi and everything. And if you see As soon as he pulls into Driveway C. O.. Jason Jason Jason Simpson. Go Up to the Bronco which some people series as he did it right over that one. You know it's You know you don't buy that one. No I did for about ten minutes you yeah you know but like they said he did it because he was a chef in a restaurant. This place called Jackson's Beverly Hills and they originally were going to go there for dinner in the call ended up canceling and going to mess Luna and he said that he got so mad that he did that. You're going to kill you because you didn't come to my rush and and so he. OJ Eight. This I believe they said he waited till the sun went down and got dark so nobody can see him. You know surrender until the house called. His mother had some Oj some orange juice and then you know then he got car. Yeah and then the the the biggest trial and then so that was Friday so he actually had to. He probably thought he was getting out so so. So the judge you know for his bail hearing but he had to wait 'til Monday because it was the weekend and his bail hearing judge was like no. You're not going nowhere which you're not. You're probably not going to get bailed out on a murder charge anyway but like you know maybe you're Oj you know you can pay some huge thing but like after the Bronco Chase now. It's an Easing when he was found innocent and he still sat in jail for sixteen months. It's amazing though when you get people with big celebrity that when they finally take that celebrity liberty way. Paul McCartney was in jail and Japan for ten days because he tried to smuggle three pounds of marijuana. I never knew that. And he was Beatles. All the time and He asked for a Houston Guitar. And they're like no music but I'm Paul McGrath we don't care this. OJT was like. I'm going to get bail. No no bail for you. The trial is do you think it's the biggest trial in American history or one of them get. I mean because it went for ten months. Yeah January January of Ninety five to third ninety five. Why did it take so long tells about some of the players that you know the details going on you know Oh and you know there were people and again this is crazy to the whole trial is on youtube right because it was all I remember court plenty was the thing like so somebody put it on on their during like two hour increments and like some people understand for like ten days? You know it's like when you talk about and then just little evidence and then like as you watched the trial you know half after the vet their side barring talking to the judge you know just drag drag drag you know. It's amazing. I was reading the jurors were sequestered for one hundred one days and And they cut in three months question. You'll get paid those two hundred sixty seven days total. Oh my God yeah two hundred sixty seven days there were sequestered. Yeah because it's the only four. The original jurors made the whole thing is people were just losing their minds yet that and they were finding out like one one guy or one woman for instance she was on the jury and her husband hit her. So you know and she's like you know at one guy worked at Hurts and Oj did like assigning there. One day they found a picture of them So yeah some people are going crazy. There was one girl Tracy. Something her She became famous fifty minutes of fame because she was very pretty. She ended up on the cover of playboy stern. She's a Ger. Yeah Oh yeah so. She ended up on stern stern cover of playboy. So you know it's crazy but like a hundred sixty seven days they were there and you know people went. Oh my God. They only deliberated for four hours. They had all that time. And the thing is like you mentioned in everyday to. OJ Is in jail sixteen months. Yeah but there are also seeing too that there was a lot of race implications. Oh because of Mark Furman yeah tell us and be because the the Rodney King. La Race. I say they say this was revenge. One admitted it. She said Yeah. This was revenge it meaning. What like whether he did it or not? You know it was one of our people is you know. It's our turn Gotcha to get off. Yes yes and it's interesting the only twenty five years ago but It might as well one hundred years ago. The Way Society's changed back in those times right you know big Tracy Hampton was the yeah. Yeah and You you know the Jodi Arias case was big and the Casey Anthony. which was were those? Casey Anthony is a girl killed her baby and she got all Jodi Arias killed or boyfriend right and they were they were big. You know. But they're still talking about they're here and gone but again they weren't that this was in the city of La alone own. Just when you're talking about the the major players so you mentioned f Lee Bailey Dashing and Shapiro Everyone knows Johnny Cochran like a Dream Team. That's all team specifically a hero. You know he he got called by. OJ Hey which was a smart move and he. He didn't have one murder trial ever Shapiro. Wow I never did it. He you know he was basically like you know they call them to fix her. He was is Basically for celebrities you know. He helped chuck the Longoria. You know many others and you know got them plea deals. Wow so that's why they say o j you know brought him on brought him on and there's rumors say that he was actually trying to get him a deal and I was like no he didn't WanNa plea bargain. Yeah there's a great picture Here's the Motley crue unintended. Vince Neal Chris Jericho. Dennis Rodman Robert Shapiro in Middle Age magazine went to a concert. At the host of Blue's you'll house of Blues on sunset and for some reason Shapiro and Rodman were there and we've got a picture of the four of us. There's a Subaru knbr group for you. But he actually you know he was the number one guy and then it was his idea to call Cochran. You know to kind of bring the race card in the block black. Yeah and Jeffrey Toobin. Jeffrey Toobin wrote this book called OJ Simpson the ride of his life. That book was FX series. The people I said okay. Yeah yea so. He used to He went to Harvard and one of his teachers was Alan Dershowitz who is another lawyer. Okay okay okay. So Alan Dershowitz you know. told him you know about ferment. Hinted to him so there are no. He told him to go. See Shapiro to interviewing for the magazine. Shapiro's like You know just you see Google. Then he was like you know go do your research on This Guy Mark Furman and that's how the whole firm let's talk about more into New York. Is the research about him. What would you know that he was a racist cop cop he was racist? He sued the city of New York or Los Angeles for for the it was their faulty. Became racist when you say someone's races. How is that proven you know? He he He had like eighty seven demerits demerits against them eighty seven number two. They were doing a documentary about officers and I was in it. Yeah and the director of the documentary gets pulled out a forty eighty seven uses of the N. word that US over the F.. Lee Bailey you know you know. got a shot at him and you know he asked her if he ever said the N.. Word he said. No this is before they even knew the tapes exist like were we know. Something's up with this guy and then the tapes came like months later. So wh why are they trying to discredit his was he. The Guy was seen He. He went to the murder scene but he found the glove behind. OJ's behind Kato Kaylin Spangolo. So they say he planned it 'cause it was. OJ wearing a pair of was what were Orange Jackson. They say you know that the killer drop the glove at the murder scene at Bundy and one behind. OJ's house which had a guest house. That's Kato Kaylin with staying did have. OJ's blood on it. It had Yeah and Ron and Nicole's because they were saying that they took a blood sample uh-huh g. and some of it some of his missing theories they took some of that blood put it on the glove. Same thing in the Bronco like they're flooding the broncos OJ Nicole's and Ron's yes but like it looked like you know you spills your soda real quick. The amount of it wasn't that much or was he trying to start their bodies in the in the but like if he's dry God if it's on the steering wheel right is here there. You know it's just an excuse me it's another head-scratching right you know. And there's some like his console is here and his part of his palms on the other side of it is you know. It's certainly. Why would firm if he did his? OJ embarrass them how Oj firm and went to in one thousand nine hundred five went to oranges for another domestic violence thing in Nicole. It was like no no. It's okay it's okay. You sure you don't want to press charges. And you know firm affiliates embarrassed.
"25 years" Discussed on Talk Is Jericho
"Know serial killers. Yeah even like I know. People that are supposed to demand murders the Gotcha Gotcha criminal gist doesn't JFK thing. Even though it's interesting you know maybe because I lived it and you know I don't know and I might opinions everybody's choice so interested in it because there's more to it You know like the Manson murders people are into its case closed like even though everybody's like ninety five percent sure yeah or like did he was more to it like you said there's so much more to it's interesting murder weapon losy easy for real and even like the the scene of the crime. The BUNDY CONDO stands out from all the other kinds instinct loans. That you know it's just you. You know you go by there. Obviously you know go by once a week. I'm crazy but you actually have a instagram pitch. The OJ murder trial pays OJ Simpson and murder trial page with all underscores illegit underscore simpson underscore murder trial page. And you started this just out of boredom and you know I was posted on. OJ pictures on my regular instagram near. My friends are like dude enough. We're going to block you and then you know like you go by there no matter matter who did it you get this eerie feeling. People got messed up there. You know two people died there for sure we did but butchered Grazie like you get these Erie feeling. I up brought people here. They're like whoa like whether it's daytime or night. Yeah you know and and they just get this weird feeling you know. Let's get into your theory but what happened. That night would really happen before we we do. Here's something else to think about. What good drivers did not have to pay for? Bad drivers route insurance thinks that old way of pricing car insurance is unfair so they developed a mobile apt measures driving behavior and check this out by removing bad drivers from the equation route. Save good drivers up to fifty two percent in two thousand nineteen route makes car insurance easy and uses an APP to base rate primarily on how you drive. Route was the fastest growing direct insurance company in the last year in the United States is the world's first mobile first. This car insurance company and your insurance card is available right from your phone and if you don't get into an accident you can file a claim directly in the APP. Route is available in twenty states coast coast to coast. And if you refer your friends you make money just download the root insurance drive normally for a few weeks during the Reu test drive and see how much you can save. Don't wait eight. Give route a tried today head to your APP store and download the root insurance APP. Sign up in less than a minute and start your own test drive. That's route are ot download the APP today or visit join route dot com to learn more and see how much you could save. Not Available in. All States disclaimers may apply. See Join Route Dot com for details. So what's your theory. And what has so. I think again Nicole around this time. She was like living life and she uh-huh Jimmy when she was eighteen so it's kind of tied down from day. One.
"25 years" Discussed on The Science Show
"Well north of the top of queensland by the cape is riversleigh a big hill of rock and one of the greatest fossil sites in the world rigorously ashley is this year celebrating its twenty fifth anniversary on the world heritage list and here to explain this professor michael archer from the university of new south wales. Who's who's worked on the site throughout yeah. It is nineteen ninety four when it happened and this was the year the twenty fifth anniversary of course it's not just reversely. It's also narrow court so the two with them. We're joined together as linked world heritage site. It was a fantastic moment. We were actually just canvassing our own records say did we have a celebration ourselves when it happened and the answer is no because it was so controversial. The landowner was going to kill everybody because he didn't want to world heritage property thirty. There were all these other issues so what we obviously pulled together. As a memory here is we hid until all of this settles down and then eventually century mine nine bought out the landowners. Each of them went away with a million dollars in a big smile on their face. Oh all of the tensions eventually evaporated the world heritage site has been lina fantastic success since that time we have tripled the total knowledge of the older mammals and reptiles and birds of australia just just from the rocks of that one area so i think it was worth more than one hundred times. It's salt in terms of what it's contributed to our understanding. It's been really i get discovered covered yeah. It's a fascinating question. We think there was a much earlier history because it was a carbon co stage coach that used to go past that area and it was the only large rock walk near the track and we think they're bouncing around the bladders are getting bruised and they're gonna scream stop and so i think the first people who stopped to have a piss at this place lights suddenly said oh look at that this bone sticking out of that rock so i think the rumors were there from before the turn of the twentieth century but nobody did anything it was a very remote area and charles dis who was in the queensland museum at that time was an old man and although heard rumors about fossils on riversleigh there was no way he was going to go allow. It didn't get a solid look until dictate -ford from the american museum of natural history came in they were chasing the possibility of finding older mammals in various parts of australia australia and there were following snails anywhere there was a fossil snail known there was a higher probability of finding a fossil mammal that was global wisdom among paleontologists so it turned out that white house had described fossil snails from the riverside limestone so he went there and he did find peace of jaw and he named something conversely but at that point it wasn't any better than the stuff that we're finding in central australia and the simpson desert so they pack the bags and off. They went to look for other things that was in nineteen sixty three and it didn't get another look really until my beloved former leader. Alan bartholomeo used to be a director of the queensland museum. I love that man told me that he'd seen a jaw sticking out of iraq there when he visited and i asked him allen where's that jaw because has every one of these was a precious potential new species in australia. We didn't know about and he looked at me like i lost my marbles. He said we'll still there. I said why is it still there and he said because it's in limestone. It's harder than cement so the next year we were there with a guy trained in the use of explosives. We sent him to blow them up school. We had gelignite gelignite. There was weeping we had old. I think what we were doing but we had permission from the landowner to see if we could open some of these rocks and then we did although if there is a a scam run by nasa at all it's not to admit that they found some rigorously on the moon when they went there the first one one we dismantled shall we say we discovered it was not the way to break open that line stop it just went everywhere and the animals you've found huge ones say giant <hes> and who knows what else phallic eleo or whatever was all there and managed.
"25 years" Discussed on Committed
"Brandin Natalie had known one another for about a decade since she was kid, but he just admitted the feelings for and she told him she had feelings for him to. They started going out to dinner just the two of them. But it stayed really chased almost a little awkward like where do we go from here? How do we do this? Then we went to watch. I asked her one day. I said you have feelings for like very specific. I have feelings for you. I can't really define out authors. A loss known for so long feelings for me yon just come for somebody down. She said, I do my says. Well, okay. So I out those feelings for you. Or I think I do, but we can't pursue this remotely unless we have a competition with your mom. So they set up a lunch with Natalie's mom. Before they did it. They spent a lot of time talking about the risks the potential devastation that this could cause for both of their families. How everyone was going to react to the fact that Brandon was nearly twice her age and he'd known her since she was just a kid. My mom. My dad for being the hardest hearts. Brandon was kids. We didn't them separately. We both knew I was ready to tell my dad my dad it was too early relationship. We needed more time to figure out how this was going to walk out between the two of us before we let my dad now. So we actually told my mom six months or so four we ended up telling my dad, the conversation of my mom, I thought I was going to be the straw wine that tell her and we showed up to lunch that day. I just got tears in my eyes that I could lately clammed up. I just I could speak because it just everything that my mom didn't want to do with my life that time she loves Brandon, she's incredibly support of. But the idea of her daughter, my mom is looks tirelessly to greet every opportunity. For choosing to date. Somebody twenty five years old are small community was just like why was I making this decision wife? Go more traditional path. And I knew she is gonna feel that way. You were having the conversation with her. It was one of the only times that I got barest of what the potential judgment thought process could be up by all Brandon was the wedded up talkie pretty much entire lunch. Be going to going. I've been best friend. She's been my doctor her dad. Log respected are we've been friends for on time. And I kind of local business person at my kids to consider. I have the reputational the day. There was the tension devastate everything our life..
"25 years" Discussed on Committed
"I wanna start this episode out by talking about how easy it is to judge someone else's relationship. In fact, it's one of the easiest things we do judging other people without getting to know them first. Not only in Brandon get a lot of judgment because there's a twenty five year age gap between them it's a pretty obvious thing. When you meet the two of them, and it's easy for people to jump to conclusions about why they're together in the first place. We have had people do have just come up to us randomly at been very judgmental to our faces. We were my club one time, and we were just dancing having a good time. And this guy came up, and he said just her on. No, the guys are together. And Brennan looked at him. What does your mom now? I think that she'd be very comfortable. If I've learned anything anything at all about marriage and commitment. It's that we have no idea. What happens inside another person's marriage? We can't. Suspend any judgment. You might have going into this about Natalie and Brandon's relationship. Let's let them tell their love story. So I I actually remember beaten which is prized for twelve but I remember coming into the house side myself, and he had a daughter who was be joining my class at white high school or am I g right? The time. Do you remember that kind of fatally remember? Remember showing out? No, I do. Back in those days. Brandon doesn't get nervous talking about their age gap now, but he doesn't love talking about how he met Natalie when she was just a teenager because there was absolutely nothing between them. He didn't think of anything other than his daughter's friend. And I think that's really important to say. Brandin became fast, friends, Natalie's parents Natalie's mama's even as doctor for fifteen years. Put it this way. I've known her since she was twelve in watched her grow up in obviously, there was zero thoughts that we would end up were sitting today. It's hard for me. Sometimes looking backwards for me. He was in junior high this Herenton figure he busted me for everything you could imagine in junior high with his daughter we were up to no good. So he was this parental figure at first I don't remember the AD romantically. He was the dad of my friend. Who would like she was the only friend I would ever get trouble with. And so in my mind, he was like the disciplinarian dad like I have to be scared of Brandon because I was worried that he was gonna out meet for whatever to your high thing. I was skiing up. It's such a unique situation yet there is some magic to the fact that I got see her grow up and be best friends with her. Parents seen her compliments in watt of aggressors from kid till young doll. It's a rare look to be with somebody where you actually know there were killed like that like you, you know, you saw rug. So it's a little bit of matter. But is certainly very hard for us star about those days because I was more of a parental role. I certainly never at any past the but film Brennan gets guy talk about Beyonce. Just risvan teases me a lot about it. Because it's funny. Badly grew up. She went to high school and college the summer between Natalie's junior and senior year. She started interning at Brandon's companies. I didn't have any direct contact with her at all other than occasional beatings there. Then Brandon's administrative assistant quit her husband had terminal cancer. He only had four months to live. It was abrupt and Brandon needed someone to fill in for her. And that's when Natalie took over. I really was taken back. How exceptional I just kind of perceived her as being a college kid be honest. But after I was forced to work with for seven or eight weeks through the whole meeting. I was thoroughly impressed. So that's kind of where she came on my radar as like a future potential executive or someone that we could grow or I could grow with my team and that evolved until one day she came and told me she had an opportunity in LA in Hughes moving. Natalie ended up leaving and went to study at the London School of economics for six months. She's a pretty smart cookie. Brandon was in London a lot for work..