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"1996" Discussed on Horror Vein
"I believe you're gonna ride within. Okay all right okay anyway. Jockeys falling off. Which would reminds me of jacob marley in Yeah christmas carol but what to make up effects That rebel does on him. Because he's got you know his his teeth he's talking and he's got the job on came coming out and then he's walking and he's basically just a a skeleton torso to really could Effects in their only jackson could pull off. Oh yeah Enough about this film. It's just It's one of my favorite. I've said i've i've watched it so many times back when it first came out but i hadn't watched it recently. I'm surprised you don't own it. I did own it at one point. But i think i had an vhs or something good oh my god okay and like. I'd seen it so many times. I kinda knew it by heart. And i never really got around to buying a dvd of version of it ever. Okay definitely when it goes down a price. I'm gonna definitely pick it up again. Put keep and the thing is the thing that i really like is that you know how hard i am are on comedies. And how i was. I just don't they mixed with four and this is another example. That really does it well. And it's so hard to do in my opinion. And i know i might sound like a broken record but yeah to perfect it really. It's really it's really funny and it's just not the over the top type stupid humor that i don't like It doesn't take me out of the film. it it it you know. It works within the film it adds to it as a part as opposed to taking me out of it. You know what i mean. It's like well it's ruining ruining it. Stop case it's realistic is realistic humor. You know because it's like the like the husband. He's got a lot of one liners. But it's sarcastic and he's pissed off and he's a douche ryan but it's fucking hilarious. Yeah the way he eat delivers it. Yeah so and that's a lot you know. Comedy is so much timing and delivery so but yet a blend net with like a horror like supernatural type film like. I've said we've talked about his really hard to do. In my opinion so this one really does it. Well they really does and You know you can't go wrong with. I mean you've got the makings of a superior film. So you kinda reminds me of creepshow. Georgia mirrow stephen king. You know. then you've got all these great actors you know and how you how can you miss and it seems like that's similar to this film you know you've got rick bakery. God peter checks. You got sumet kaz. You've got danny health. Like oh my god. I mean we've seen some of these films where you have all these great talents and And then the actors to and Yeah it's just it's a fun film and it's one that i showed the trailer to diana and she's like oh yeah. I could do that one. And she loved it so to our listeners. If you've got a significant other or friend that's not a hard core horror film but likes scary movies quote unquote good. I would certainly let them know of operas one. Yeah it's i think it's it's suitable for almost anybody. It really is. I can't think of anything. That's you know not exactly but but Young adults and I mean you know maybe people that were kind of curious about horror films book. Didn't know where to start. It's good all around movie good introduction. Yeah was kind of fun. I like those posters. It reminds me a little bit of like ghostbusters. Paired with ghost And maybe a few other films. I don't know there's so much going on. But i'm like de wallis and love that you don't expect her character to flip like that. I thought i mean there's a lot of god's and this. Yeah he goes nuts and she's got the shotgun gene. She's like a good fr- kind of freaks you out like holy shit shoes chasing me. The shotgun be freaking out to all along. You're led to believe that she was just this innocent bystander. using won't was blowing everybody away and she kinda got looped into it roped into it and then she was tried and convicted and then She has to stay with this old woman in a house You know as part of her punishment type deal but you all along the have you thinking that she's just you know this was thrust on her. Yeah like he has no. She's dupes the audience like she dupes all the characters in the movie and it's great. Yeah it's fantastic. Because i didn't see it coming. I really did if you out all the stuff later on which i really liked. 'cause you're like 'cause she finds the The knife of the razor. Yeah thing in the old old woman's closet and they so you think it's the old woman but it turns out that she planted at their. She's got jacob. Uc's and shoes and she killed the old woman bright. Yeah yeah. She killing covered in kills. She kills her mom and then she goes on this rampage because Jacob uses like. Let's start killing again. We we're going to raise the count. Because he wants to be the most notorious ciro are ever going to get up to like fifty kills. It's just it's like darkened somewhere. That's pretty dark and he's talking about. I only killed gotta kill twelve and time. you'll somebody they they carve the number of the kill into their forehead. And i'm like wow that's pretty fucked up or the next one that's gonna die right. Well that's what he saw. he's he print. He was the premonition of the ad. They're gonna die and they'll have that number four forehead once they die. Okay and i liked the whole aspect of the show. When somebody dies they go into this tube right up to heaven right and I like that and get caught. They're like oh yeah we're going to heaven and then they get caught by this snake shit and then get pulled down in the hill is like was that train straight to hell or whatever all yeah I mean you know you had a feeling there was gonna be a happy ending and you know you want that and there is and you know that's enjoyable to obviously so like. I said i felt really sorry for michael. J. fox's character he is just getting you know he's trying to do what he can. Qazi lost everything he couldn't he lost his wife he wasn't he lost a job And now stuck in in. Limb death limbo. He can't. he's got now. He's got all his psychic abilities and he's like what do i do with it. And he's talking with the his only friends are ghosts. Yeah and he doesn't really know how to relate to the living because he's so like devastated. What happened right and You know seeing his wife get killed right in front of them. What about the scene when he's up in heaven and she says oh no. You're not done yet right. Oh my god and then he goes back you know. He's basically he's dead and he's ready and she's.
"1996" Discussed on Horror Vein
"It's funny. It's sad it's got some scary moments in it. Yeah it it's hard to really do a film like that and how it just shows the Directing talents of peter jackson Jiminy cricket 'cause i mean if you look at that script how to fuck when i put that together. How do you even he just like you just put the i mean. It's you got ghost that are you know using the Rugs you know and right underneath the wallpaper and going through doors and yeah and then you can see right then you have the jake busey character as this kind of death figure but then he turns into because he's killer and he's carving numbers. The people's foreheads was at first but that was awesome. I mean every and then you feel sorry for michael. J. fox is this successful architect. He gets in his horrible accident. Which spurs the You know the his his ability able to get him to able to see ghosts and stuff like that and he keeps reliving everything. So he's kind of like being tormented but What's cool is then. He finds her as a you know another lover and and kind of fulfills his lonely life because gandhi kinda destroys his house and everything. And i just. I know it works in every aspect of the film Emmy and even even The like when she's like trying to he's like i can't protect you so i have to die for a little bit right. Come a ghost so he she puts them into the you know the refrigerator's yeah and you know she he passes away and he's a ghost and and he's trying to kill this thing. Oh man it's just. Wow there's a lot going on want it is. Yeah and it's it's been one of my favorite movies ever since it came out and Yeah i hadn't seen it in a long time. And when you just i was like wow you remember. I didn't at first but as a start rolling. I'm like oh yeah yeah. Yeah 'cause i've seen it a lot. And i still holds up to today. I didn't really hold up and it does. Yeah it's funny. It's it's You know horror with. I don't even what you caught a horror film. I guess you would. I don't know it's it's got everything in it it. It's really kind of a screwball comedy. with dr or something it's It's hard to really classify the movie. I mean i always see it as a war film. But it's it's in a class by itself because it just got everything i mean. You can't and it's got the guy from Full metal jacket the sergeant He's in the graveyard army. Yeah yeah he's great know movies. You're in what are you doing. Great me rest in peace. We lost earlier me but yeah he's wonderful and then. I thought i recognized the the sheriff with the buzz. Cut the heavyset guy. I think he's in one of the halloween films. I swear i've seen him. I don't know. I know i've seen him before. Yeah yeah. I've seen him in something. And i can't place him because he kinda reminds me of john candy for whatever reason little but yeah yeah that would be a role i mean for john candy but it's But he's not really. I mean he's funny in certain parts but he's pretty straightforward dealing with this crazy if guy who goes the pieces as soon as a woman screams he's like. I can't have women's dreaming. He's just so but that's so. Jeffrey combs love when he gets in the car and she's locked up in a back and she he goes into his coat and she thinks like he's going to pull a gun on him and he pulls out one of those those donuts for for all. Yes they consider hemorrhoids and like just little stuff like that. Oh just a very amusing. It's just it holds your attention. it's suspenseful it's there's a mystery to it you know it's it's just a lot of elements to because like michael j. fox is this quote unquote con man. Who makes basically living by you know. I mean he's in with the ghosts and their piece seeks six on certain families or people and then the they call him and he shows up and makes county fighter quote unquote. yeah alert. yeah. The story is a great concept. Okay like you go in haunted house. Come in and clear it. And and i make money. Yeah yeah so so. I'm like that's awesome. I love that. Shit i just and then and then The two ghosts and one guys black guy. And he's like i'm stuck in the seventies like dressed up like link from the mon. That was great. Seventy one liners are funny. Oh yeah. I love the two ghosts. They were great And then you got the judge and the judge's Another ghost and he's got this dog that keeps getting his joe. His job will fall out. That's why i think that is always the judge in makeup okay. The ghost realize that. I think that's him 'cause we're else where else is the addams family guy that's him. I think that's him. Yeah i'm sticking with it. I'm gonna.
Leaded Petrol Era 'Officially Over' as Algeria Ends Pump Sales
"Are old enough to remember leaded gasoline. It's been banned in the U. S since 1996. But the last of it has just now disappeared. Gasoline liquid powder on millions of automobiles everywhere. The environment program reports that Algeria has finally used up its stockpile of the last in the world supply of leaded gasoline. Lead was used for generations to boost power and pep. Now be text. An oil refining product is used or at the All the U. N estimates phasing out the toxic metal in fuel has prevented over a million early deaths and saved tons of money and medical costs. There's also a study suggesting it helped cut crime rates.
Porn Star Charged With Sexual Assaults of 21 Women in Los Angeles
"Porn star has been indicted in L. A. A. B C's Alex Stone has this story. Ron Jeremy was a name synonymous with adult films in the eighties and nineties. Now he's been indicted here in LA on over 30 counts of rape and sexual assault involving 21 alleged victims ranging in age from 15 to 51 years old dating back to 1996 his real name Ron Hyatt. He's pleading not guilty to rape and other charges, including lewd acts upon a child. He's due back in court in October.
MSNBC Correspondent Atia Abawi Describes Women's Fear of the Taliban
"Katia, a boy Foreign correspondent on MSNBC today. Cut 16 Go. What do you think of the Taliban's promises today that women can be in government as long as they obey Sharia law? The promises they have made many promises that they've broken in the past. Um and it's at time will tell if they will keep these promises. But if history has taught us anything about the Taliban regime, including in 1996, they came in promising to protect the people from the brutal civil war prior to the Taliban regime, and from 96 to 2000 and one that drastically changed that drastically changed. Women are terrified. When I talked to the men on the ground, they're about to lose a lot of freedoms themselves, and they know that, but they're not as terrified as the women that I speak to. I just heard from, uh, someone that they are trying desperately to get a woman who is in chargeable women's shelter. She helped battered Afghan women, Uh and the Taliban came to her shelter and said, This is a brothel. Stop. I'm talking to female politicians who want to leave the country, but the Taliban have put guards outside of their door so they can't leave. The fear right now is that once The media is gone. The attention's gone, the Americans are gone. The last plane leaves Kabul. What's going to happen then the Taliban are outside of their houses, literally waiting. For us to leave. And it's terrifying for me to watch for us to watch. Imagine being that woman sitting in that house counting the clock. Imagine that ladies and gentlemen Imagine that. Much of what I'm playing for you. Is not even being played on some cable shows.
"1996" Discussed on Newsradio 1200 WOAI
"1996, actor and comic Eddie Murphy scores a career rejuvenating hit with the Nutty Professor Jada Pinkett Smith and Dave Chappelle also starred in the film, which grossed over a quarter million dollars worldwide and won an Oscar for best makeup. June 30th 1955 the Johnny Carson Show debuts, a prime time variety show hosted by the future. Late night legend. It last 39 episodes and Carson would start his nearly three decade run is host of the Tonight Show in 1962. July 1st 1941 the first two commercially licensed television stations in the United States sign on in New York City within one hour of each other. Both remain on air today, now known as WCBS, Channel two and WNBC. Channel four. July 3rd 1991 nearly seven years after the original Terminator two Judgment Day hit theaters, the most expensive film ever made at the time. It earned over $200 million in the U. S, and was the first film to take in more than 300. Million dollars internationally. July 4th 1910 actress Gloria Stuart is born in Santa Monica, California widely remembered for her role in 19 97th Titanic. She was a veteran of over 50 films before passing away in 30th. And that's the week in Hollywood history on I Heart Radio. He's radio 1200. W O a. I Your thoughts about this us your thoughts about a 14 year old going through a transition or starting to transition, your thoughts about how a position for a woman Is being regularly regularly now taken by.
Parents Sue Father Accused of Hiding Kristin Smart's Body
"College student Kristin Smart have sued the father of the man charged with killing their daughter nearly 25 years ago. The lawsuit says smarts body was buried in Ruben Flores, his backyard and that he moved it under cover of darkness to another location after investigators searched his property in February of 2020. That mirrors claims made by prosecutors this week when they charged Reuben Flora's with being an accessory after the alleged murder. He was released from custody yesterday after posting $50,000 bail. Son, Paul Flores is being held without bail. He's accused of sexually assaulting and murdering smart in 1996 on the Cal Poly San Luis Obispo campus, where both were freshmen. Lawsuit against Ruben Flores seeks damages for intentionally causing emotional distress by helping his son cover up the crime. It says Flora's God help moving the body from two unnamed accomplices who will later be added as defendants in the case.
Prime Suspect Paul Flores Charged With 1996 Murder of Kristin Smart
"Pedro, arrested this week in connection with the murder of a Cal state San Luis Obispo student 25 years ago, is also now being investigated for sexual assault in Los Angeles. Paul Flores has long been the prime suspect in the disappearance of 19 year old Kristin Smart 1996, the college freshman was allegedly killed during a sexual assault in Florida. His dorm room slow county District attorney Dan Tao says floors is also suspected of committing sexual acts around sent Piedra where he lives and where he was known to frequent the bars. We do have evidence in this case that leads us to conclude that there very well may be additional victims in the Southern California area, so we would ask that anybody that may have had experience with him that they have questions about for them to reach out and contact law enforcement. The LAPD says detectives have gathered evidence against floors about assault that allegedly occurred over several years. The only county Da's office has not decided whether to final charges based on that evidence. Well.
"1996" Discussed on This Day In Esoteric Political History
"Dr phil he gets to say whatever he wants pretty much much like another person who she elevated dr oz. Dr oz. the doctors and oprah. Yeah we'll see if we can end on a positive note for the beef industry. That is that. I think that not long. After this you do see a movement for grass fed cows for sort of. I mean this comes a little later. But it's the beginnings of the the buy local movement in the organic movement. And the you know the desire for people to have clean food that if you're gonna eat beef it should be grass-fed should be treated humanely. It should be you know handled in a particular way. And i and i think this goes back to you. Know one of that percents. We did earlier on the aspca about animal treatment. And you know that animals should not be fed Certainly not vegetarian. Animals should not be fed. neat particles so own I do that. There's something about this too. That causes a shift. In the way we think about consuming meat. Yeah really important. Shift in bringing animal welfare to The conversation about the animals that we eat Which is something that as you're pointing out has been burgeoning in recent years alongside animal rights organizations which are focused more on Animals having independent rights and deserving not to be eaten at all final question. Kelly do we know is still vegetarian or does she still not eat meat. What's the story there question. I know i know. I know she's an ambassador for like. Ww matter of fact. She's one of the Owners of what was formerly known as weight watchers But that's a good question. I think quick tells me that she is not was about to say. I don currently vegetarian but that she nevertheless like is considered a champion veganism and the vegan movement just because she has talked about it so so publicly. But i don't know if she personally she's done a bunch of clinton's is and stuff like that on her show. I remember they had the whole staff go vegan for a week and then they made like vegan tuesdays and heard headquarters but you know I don't believe so. I think she still eats meat. Yeah okay all right. Well we are gonna leave it there. That was really fun. again. I think there's so much more to this story. Maybe we'll find another reason to talk about. It are certainly talking about. Oprah we do a whole series on oprah all right nicole hammer. Thanks as always thank you. Tony and kelly carta jackson. Thank you my pleasure. This day esoteric. Political history is a proud member of radio. Tokyo from p. r. x. network of independent listener supported artists.
2 Suspects Arrested in 1996 Disappearance of Kristin Smart
"In California say missing college student Kristin Smart was killed during an attempted rape by a fellow student, and that the suspect's father helped hide the body. Paul Flores is now 44. His father were arrested yesterday. Smart was last seen while heading back to a dorm account. Polly after leaving a party in 1996, prosecutors now say she was inebriated that Flora's had offered to walk her home.
'Prime suspect' arrested in student's 1996 disappearance
"A man who attended Cal Poly university in the nineteen nineties has been arrested in connection with the murder of a female student who vanished nearly twenty five years ago the sheriff in San Luis Obispo county California says they've considered forty four year old Paul flora's likely to be the suspect for years he was the last person seen with Kristen smart when she disappeared in nineteen ninety six returning to her dorm from a party announcing on K. E. Y. T. T. V. the rest of Paul Flores for the murder of Kristen smart and the rest of his father Ruben Flores as an accessory to the murder sheriff Ian Parkinson says they've executed dozens of search warrants in recent years and now have evidence linking the suspect to Kristin smart he vows they will continue to search for her remains we are not going to stop until Kristen has been recovered police say new witnesses came forward in the case after hearing about the podcast your own backyard I'm Jackie Quinn
2 Suspects Arrested in 1996 Disappearance of Kristin Smart
"Arrests have been made in connection with the 1996 disappearance of Cal Poly student Kristin Smart Cave be Kay's Jensen. Reiter has the latest nearly 25 years later in murder charges are finally being brought against the main suspect in the Kristin Smart case. I'm here this afternoon to announce the rest of Paul Floors. The murder of Kristen Smart and the rest of his father, Ruben Flora's as an accessory to the murder. San Luis Obispo County Sheriff in Parkinson made the announcement from the Cal Poly campus, not providing any details as to what evidence finally led to those arrests. And this is probably a question I will answer at this point. That we have not recovered Kristen. We will continue to focus on finding her remains regardless of any court
Paul Flores Arrested in 1996 Disappearance of Kristin Smart
"Time person of interest in the 1996 disappearance of his former Cal Poly San Luis Obispo classmate, Kristin Smart. His father was also arrested. Paul Flora's long described as a prime suspect by authorities was taken into custody and San Pedro by San Luis Obispo County Sheriff's officials. His attorney confirmed he was informed of his client's arrest, but said he had no further comment. California is now pausing the Johnson and Johnson
Paul Flores Arrested in 1996 Disappearance of Kristin Smart
"And arrest and the Kristin Smart case nearly 25 years after the call Polly freshman vanished after a frat party a California man, previously named as a primary suspect in her disappearance has been taken into custody. Paul Flores, who walks smart home and was the last person to see her alive in 1996, was arrested today in San Pedro. And his father, Ruben Flores, was also reportedly taken into custody in connection with the
Biden Pressured to Restore Boundaries of National Monuments in Utah
"Confirmed interior secretary Deb Holland is traveling to Utah shall meet with tribes and elected leaders, and the focus is on the future of the Bears, Ears and Grand Staircase Escalante national monuments. Former President Donald Trump dramatically slashed protections for these monuments. President Biden issued an executive order to review that move and his administration is under pressure to restore their boundaries. NPR's Kirk Siegler reports. Former congresswoman from New Mexico. Deb Holland is the nation's first indigenous interior secretary. And in the four Corners region, there's a lot of anticipation among tribes about her official visit to the Bears Ears National Monument. When President Obama designated it giving it enhanced federal land protections. He cited its cultural significance. Land is rich with cliff dwellings, pictographs as well, A sacred camping and burial grounds. This is our chapel. This is our place of worship. Had Gonzalez Rogers runs the Bears ears inter tribal coalition representing five sovereign tribes. Ah, Holland alone doesn't have the authority to restore the monument's original boundaries. But he sees her visit as symbolic in FAC in the first kind of the world. I think it's less than 30 days of Secretary Holland on being in office, she has had more engagement more action than the previous 1300 days. When former president Trump downsized bears ears by 85% and cut the nearby Grand Staircase Escalante and nearly half tribe sued that court battle is on hold after President Biden's latest executive order calling for another review. Utah Republicans, including Governor Spencer Cox, are pressuring the administration to put a bill through Congress. Can we give on some issues? Can they give on some issues? Can we Can we come to a peaceful resolution of this? So we're not fighting this battle every year for 20 years, 25 years IN 1996, President Clinton designated the Grand Staircase Monument without consulting Utah leaders summer still fuming about what they saw as a loss and ranching and mining opportunities.
Pepé Le Pew has been cut from the 'Space Jam' sequel
"Started the first Warner Brothers Space Jam movie Back in 1996. But in the sequel, You're not going to find the animated character Pepe Le Pew. The Looney Tunes French Skunk has been besieged by controversy after the New York Times columnist Charles Blow wrote that the cartoon character added to rape culture. The online entertainment publication deadline has learned that a hybrid live action animation seen that features the skunk character was left on the cutting room floor. However, the report says the removal of pepper was not related to the newspaper commentary,
Wreckage of T.W.A. Flight 800 Housed in a Washington, DC-Area Warehouse to Be Destroyed
"Wreckage of a tragic jet craft has been stored in allowed in county warehouse is said to be taken out of service. 10 passengers 14 flight attendants and four cockpit crew died. There have been no survivors. He w way flight 800 took off from New York bound for Paris in July of 1996 and exploded moments later over the Atlantic. It took four years to determine an electrical Failure caused an explosion and since then the wreckage has been used to train investigators. Now in the age of three D scanning large scale reconstructions become dated. And so this summer, the wreckage will be dismantled and destroyed, honoring an agreement with the Victimsfamilies never to put it on public display. John Matthews on W. M A. L and
1996 Interview With Flea Of The Red Hot Chili Peppers
"I. I'm fine thank you. How are you want to start off by asking is strange to think of yourself as an arena band. No not really. I mean because we've worked for so long to get to this point where we're playing arenas spent so many years. Starting in this lawless little clubs were way up to mega domes and It's been a very gradual thing so it hasn't been like all of a sudden opinions. Bq jelena's like this for so many bands. Were working in for us. So it's not i mean. Are you glad that you worked your way up that way. I felt good about where at how we got at. I feel like that we've worked hard and we have a good understanding of what it is to be where we are understand the value of work. Can we understand the value of discipline and understand that the fruits of creativity feel like this is the best lineup since the first lineup of the band. I can't say that now. I think this is an expert lineup. That i think would different than any other lineup and i think we are smoking but I think that the john fashanu lineup. This very amazing. And i think that the original is really strong and misdee- initial impetus further suspend. It's hard to compare them. You know they're all hello. John fashanu dave navarro very different people very different ideas and very different ways of expressing themselves. I think this is a great one. If i didn't feel it was clear them. Smoking banned in the world. I wouldn't be out here playing. Arenas was it a goal to get to this level I kinda like often some foggy distance. Perhaps all the player is no. But i more thought of like playing there was a place called in los angeles. This computer called perkins palace. I think it holds about fifteen hundred or two thousand people. And i see parents down. I thank god that was my biggest goal palace that was always thought we make it like the perkins palace. That would be like my dream. Come true the greatest thing in my life. Us kind of clips. That haven't you. We could do that. You know obviously power. You can make enough money to paint event and have another job. You're doing real good chat and I think it was in the rolling stone piece refers to this as a new band with new priorities. Is that the way you see it to I don't know my priorities aren't any different. I don't know what he's talking about the new band. Dave definitely has different priorities in his life than anyone else has never been in. This band has narrowed personal satisfaction. What made you pick up a piece when you originally started playing bass. Hello slovak said to me We've bass player in my band wheel and the world. Yeah that's that's how. I think most bass players start out here. The band needs a bass player and And and there you go. Yeah i guess so. Yeah and did you become as great at as you are by just just constant practice and or mean. Ross run economy. Great thank you. I do i want to call you. Thank you very much. I i developed my style on the base by just trying and by listening to music that i like listening to a wide variety of different musics and trying to understand different feelings as music in lots of different types of music and just being myself not trying to be anyone else and by a really loving firstly. I think you know just truly loving nothing you hills strings. Nothing feels when i get inside. Someone's kicked
Mariners CEO Kevin Mather resigns after video comments
"Kevin Mather has resigned today after the comments he made to a Rotary Club earlier this month have surfaced comments that bad, chairman and managing partner John Stanton said today We're extremely disappointing comments were inappropriate and do not represent the organization's feelings about players, staff and fans. No excuse for what he said. And the Stanton will act now is the team's president and CEO until replacement has been hired. Mother's been with the team since 1996. He was promoted to the current role in November of 2017. Other baseball news the Nationals get
Former presidential candidate Bob Dole diagnosed with lung cancer
"Senator and presidential candidate Bob Dole is advanced lung cancer. The 97 year old Dole announced on Twitter that he has been diagnosed with stage four lung cancer and will undergo treatment beginning next week. He said Well, he has some hurdles ahead. He knows that he joins millions of Americans who face significant health challenges of their own. Dole had a long career in the U. S. Congress that included serving as Senate majority leader in 1996. He won the GOP presidential nomination before losing to Bill Clinton in the general election. Red Clugston Washington.
Former Sen. Bob Dole and Republican elder statesman, 97, announces he has advanced lung cancer
"Bearer is now facing a cancer diagnosis were long term Kansas Senator Bob Dole has announced he has stage four lung cancer that 97 Year old says he will begin treatment within a week. Dole was the Republican presidential nominee in 1996 when he lost to incumbent President Bill Clinton. Dole, who was badly hurt Did World War two was President Gerald Ford's vice presidential running mate in 1976 when Ford lost to Democrat Jimmy Carter Jim Krystle, a
Former presidential candidate Bob Dole diagnosed with lung cancer
"And one time GOP presidential nominee says he has cancer. Former Kansas Senator Bob Dole has stage four lung cancer, he said in a short statement, adding he begins treatment next week. 97 year old says he has some hurdles ahead, but no see, joins millions of Americans who face significant health challenges of their own. Dole was the Republican presidential nominee in 1996, losing to then President Bill Clinton. He was Senate Republican leader for more than a decade. Dole also his champion causes for fellow one or two veterans, including the 2004 dedication of the World War two Memorial in Washington. Fox is
"1996" Discussed on The Projection Booth Podcast
"Welcome to the projection booth. I mean know. Mike white you enemy is the one and the only palm out. I came from the people. They need to adore me so christian. Dior me from my head to my toes and also joining us as mr todd nathanson. I so what happens now on this episode. we're looking at the nineteen ninety six film from director. Alan parker evita back on the stage musical by andrew. Lloyd webber and tim rice. It is the story of eva. Duarte a girl from the backwaters of argentina. Who makes her way to buenos outta is climbing the social ladder until she ends up with. Colonel one perron who soon becomes the country's fascist dictator will be discussing the film the musical and a lot of other things along the way. If you haven't seen a vida in don't want to ruin for you while please turn off the podcast and comeback. After you have we will still be here support on curious. What is your history with evita. Thank you so much for having me today. I am an opera singer by trade saying if the new york city opera for several years in vietnam was one of the first musical like full-blown fully staged productions. I ever saw. It's right around the same time. You and i met mike at the university of michigan and i think randomly might have gotten a coupla comp tickets. It was at the power center in ann arbor michigan and i took my sister and her best friend heather into this day. You know i'm forty eight. And they're both forty six or so. It really moved us so it really took us by storm. Hit us and this is what five years ninety one or ninety right before before the movie right so the stage production hit us in my like i call it my nascent or my pre musician days. Something about the power and and obviously the drama of the stage production hit us and i remember. My sister ran out and bought the album. And but she wasn't a music file or the file or any file your all but you know it just hit as small town kids from the midwest. Something really struck a chord for all three of us. And how about you todd. I did a a web series a few years ago called cinema donna where i reviewed all of madonna's movies. I'm not much of a theater person so that was my first just a couple of years ago. It was my first viewing of evita. The movie our interaction would much danger lloyd webber at all really the watching the I certainly remember it. Being big ninety six Immediately kind of faded from the conversation. Since then i have seen more andrew webber stuff and i think i get it a little more now or at least i get what it was trying to do but i cannot say paul's experience with a you know adoring patti lupone or whatever your phone but let me also be frankly down. Primarily director plays musicals and in a voice teacher myself. I have not yet had the pleasure or the privilege to direct and produce vita but i did produce a giant production of joseph in the amazing technicolor dreamcoat and a big russian phantom of the opera both at southwestern michigan college huge successes people love them people of them that said The conventions of all of them have a lot of things that come with evita. So i'm excited to talk about different things. I've seen a few android wherever things but actually live performances that i was in the audience for the only one. I have seen a touring production of the opera and that strikes. Me as fairly atypical of the lloyd webber tannin. I guess because it's very playful with a beginning a middle and end whereas evita jesus christ superstar and cats. Don't strike me that same kind of way. Even though you have pretty much the ultimate end for jesus christ superstar and evita that they both die and they both die when they're thirty three and both of their corpses go missing which is interesting. That's true while they're like one after the other right. Jesus christ superstar that evita. Yes i didn't think of it that way. I was just thinking structurally but yes. That actually makes a lot of sense and with both of the albums. They're both double albums. And when it comes to that fourth side. I usually kind of stay away from them. Because i love how joyous the first three sides are and you get to that last side and it's like you know jesus dies for so long. I mean that song of him in that's air quotes for the listeners. That song of him dying. Just like okay yeah. I don't really need to hear this. Like i sure i'd love karl anderson or he starts singing. Jesus christ superstar. But when jesus was up on the cross is like alright. That's enough for me. I'm checking out going to last for three days and three nights. I really don't need that. I'd rather look on the bright side of life well played. There's a movie with an ending my first time seeing Vida was a local area production. I think was somewhere down near like flat. Rock or something in michigan river rouge somewhere anyway. It was actually a friend of mine was in a local stage version and he was not any of the main characters one of the member of the chorus and for me. He was the shorter hours sky. Moment where everybody comes and they start singing about what they want and he was the guy who came on and said just kept teasing him about that completely like they should have made the whole musical about the shorter hours guy or that he should have held that note for like five minutes and been like that opera singer in the bugs bunny cartoon exactly the and then he leaves in the gloves still there and he starts turning all the different colors so that was my first time with that and actually i saw another production of evita also local theater. I think we were traveling somewhere to the west side of the.
"1996" Discussed on The Breaks
"Remixed a song savage off for her latest release. The song has gained viral fame from the savage challenge. People doing a little dance. Whatever but this remix included somebody might be considered royalty of. Houston beyond say. Yes the Queen herself. The Queen Bee checked in from okay. Let's get out my my thoughts on it and give it to you to see. Okay I I I. It's making my job right. And so and we played her very early on on the brakes as we normally do. What most artists so to see her? Go from being kind of only known clubs and Houston in the south. Whatever to now seen a place where she has a feature from beyond say Matt if it was a whole new song I hear cases where she wants to make a whole new versus exactly and to see her reaction to having her crying. And I'll know the song is used the proceeds from the song or going to help fight the corona virus in Houston but to see Megan's career trajectory doing with Nikki. Doing its own like that was used. It's also funny because people talk about it lasts ABC she put out in allegheny. Yeah yeah that was that was. It was a great song. You know. It's always good to hear anything from this point. So because he doesn't do interviews so that was dope dope songs though Remy's like use it To reiterate what you I appreciate it when somebody re mixes a song and a remix even if at the same beat they come on here with different verses so I appreciate that. I'm from an era where remix was really a remix would did. He invented the remix. I I come from that. I come from net. When you say you remix either New People on the Song Il you got a whole new verse. It was it was. I saw some people online time trying to say it wasn't the Remix wasn't all that good. You just hate is not for you. You're not a woman so is not for you if you don't like it it's cool but at this point. I'm just stay quiet also like you. I enjoy seeing an artist is rise and I enjoy seeing millions right. I remember seeing her posters and her scheduled for south by South West and like twenty eighteen. She was everywhere like he was all over downtown. Austin live performance every showcase from the small ones. The two big ones and I was like who is who is this man and knowing that she also attended preview a guy that she's currently she's currently attending school at Texas Osha. Abc US all of even though. That's the rival but like to see her career trajectory. Go from this. This female rapper out of Houston. Who put out this tape? And a big old freak blows up and then blows up and she ends up becoming basically pop sensation and attracted attention of beyond because she says she went to like they New Year's Eve party and like J. B. had a New Year's Eve party and she was there with him partying like that and then see to see beyond say jump on on the record. Great I enjoy I. I love it. Doesn't look like is it on. The label lay bodied or is paying for her press. Like is just genuine love. I mean I would assume that is genuine. Because if it wasn't then labeled definitely will take money.
"1996" Discussed on Bald Movies
"You got some money left over to budget. We would appreciate it at club. Dot Gov move dot com. When Kelly Donald showed up. I like killing McDonald's I I've liked in a lot of things I specially liked her boardwalk empire. One of my favorite television shows. This is her first role she's nineteen. She's playing fifteen year old and when they re make that.
"1996" Discussed on Bald Movies
"I had to. There's a couple other people that are going to hit the skids and GONNA burn out. And you know you had to make a decision about whether you're gonNA join them in that spiral or you're going to try to do something better. And then I went through that again and cycling on MY MIDDLE. Live when I kind of re factored my and but it's I recognize that that's a very tough decision to do. And it seems like it's a betrayal and it seems like you're the you're the asshole every single time you do it and there's a certain amount of privilege to even being in that position like sure the idea that because you know. Look at that from the other side right. The person who's being cut out because they're perceived as as they enter. They can't they can't keep up that kind of thing. That's that's who these people are right. And so I'm constantly in awe of Roger Ebert Ability to see a movie and breakdown. It's fundamental concepts into this cohesive narrative that he constructs his review on. This film is so fucking good. Yup He just he takes all of the Crazy Shit. That's going on in this and he just lays it all out and says these people you know they don't get stuck in this could Necessarily all they have that is part of it. But it's like these people understand what you're going through to enter the only ones who can like the parents who were telling you. Oh you get off this shit while you're putting in your body they don't understand it. The people like Frank Begbie in this scene. Don't understand it but there somehow in on this group But these people go through this with you are the only people who understand it and so like you know the people who would say well you just need to cut these people out of your life. I think that's a privilege point of view Because if they did get these people out of their life. What would they have? They have nothing to rebuild and also especially. It's one thing to do it like early before you go down that spiral but if you go down the spiral and you try to cut them at then it's like you got the problem with being junkie and all the negative sigma stigma that goes trying to reenter society normal society and you see like what great measures rent takes to break this cycle. Like he gets clean. He Go- he goes from Edinburgh to London. He starts a career. It's taking off but this fucking life finds him and inform a big be you know like wanting to hide out from the law and suddenly he starts getting sucked back into that one moment. Okay well. He's my mate okay fine like I don't want him to go to jail. That sucks That one fucking moment of weakness Mercy That's what I'm saying is so fucked when your kid you get all these mixed messages you know you got your parents saying you gotta be careful who you you all around and then you also got Gandalf's NASA maybe you should feel bad for smuggling goal and then you know You know like where what a and and sometimes it's a huge decision. Like who you give clemency and who give mercy to and who you forgive and who you help You know sometimes can can can be a super rewarding experience it gets repaid tenfold later on in your life which I've experienced Sometimes can be fucking boat anchor the tries to drag you down which I also Have have experienced in my life It's just you're right and I think it's funny. Because Roger Ebert gives us a three out of four stars and I felt like he he didn't give it the fourth he held the fourth star because like the conclusion of the movie is just too depressing. Like you know like what is the Cadillac. Like what is the point? Because this movie doesn't have like a moral message. I think obviously it. Kinda does but it doesn't have like you know it's more of like an accurate telling of these dynamics. It like suggest things that society can do to fix them. It doesn't make you feel good about looking down on them. It doesn't make you feel good about a glorifying them for sure. It just is what it is. It's like a A documentary style. Look into what being a heroin addict in particular time and place was like and I think Ebert at the end is like. What do you do with this movie? The end of this movie is is just a return to the beginning of the movie right like in a pretty literal sense like some of the lines are exactly the same. And he's sort of in a position where I don't think he's GonNa move on from this. Life Dam Dam. Because I it's funny because I thought he did. I thought this was an arc that he was now on a one eighty trajectory. But then I started reading other people's thoughts and saying that like no this is just a maybe thought that if it wasn't for the dialogue where he's talking about the choice choice the choice. Choose this choose that I'm choosing it. I I feel like this is a false positive ending but could be. I couldn't really tell you why it's just feeling I have no. I mean it makes. I didn't get that. But it makes perfect sense. Because this movie was a self contained sear like a like a choice dolls like in a series of nested him making choices to do better. And then eventually for you know. Reasons understandable petty small large going back into that so like why would? I think that this one is the time the he's really GONNA kick it. Just because he essentially gave the opposite speech that he did from beginning and the end of the movie. So I want you and McGregor to do well because yeah like I think. That's just my. That's my naive in my soft head. My soft heart like wanting to like. Yeah now he kicked. It can't wait to see t to where he's forty and mid forties and he hasn't been on heroin for years and he's got a wife and a kid. That's probably not the plot of that movie. I can't imagine although it is hilarious that you bring up T- too because I was. I had to go to nefarious means. I had to trade a lot of heroin to get my hands on. This movie is just not on streaming hardly anywhere. Yeah that's on Netflix Amazon. Nowhere I don't have a google play device. I can't watch it there so like I bought it on. That alive. Bought it on Youtube. And then the playstation player wouldn't show it to me Jesus So Nefarious Shit to get this movie however the first time I tried to do that. I accidentally downloaded T to and I was watching it and I was going God damn. This movie looks amazing for ninety nine. Six fucking cameras and lighting. Did they use A and I really? Oh Shit I didn't realize until the title card came up. I'm like okay. He's on the treadmill. He's he's you know in good shape and he's doing things right. Where does this spiral? And it spiraled right at the title card when it said T to trainspotting and fuck twenty seventeen by the way twenty years later and I I heard a lot of. I feel like the critical opinion. That was not great but I I don't know or maybe it's like a you know. Why would you revisit this? I kinda WanNa see it though Because I I liked any boils films and I really really liked US foam and I kinda WanNa see like how many people from that world live. How many people died. What's going on with Renton All that kind of stuff But I I don't know the thing is I guess the one the reasons I wanted him to succeed at the towards the end of the movie like the last act I felt like he was. You know a lot of times like women in abusive relationships. When I've read some guides about like you know how do you get out of that Because I think this stuff is you know pretty fascinating. You're sucking to sit. How do you get yourself out of it and a lot of it is kind of like slowly get a plan? Find a trusted friend that Nisa have them as a Duffel bag for you and then over the next couple of weeks slowly. Put SOME SPARE CLOTHES OVER THERE. Some money some like watching him. Get the safety deposit box and get his passport in order like started. Feel like he's trying to leave an abusive relationship. He's got his go bag. He keeps his passport and safe location. He's he's he's setting himself to where he can make a clean break disappear and I want to believe that that that that that will work and that he won't you know Renege on that choice. He won't he won't go back to being but you're you know. I think I would be with you. If it weren't for the fact that he tried that once and failed and I don't I don't think look if you if you try something in a fails. I don't think you should give up sure. And he clearly doesn't want to give up but I also think that he could be stuck in these patterns and if he just bounces if he leaves Scotland goes wherever. He's going to go to get away from his mates. He's also getting away from his support network which is family who got him clean in the first place. He's just committed this big betrayal of his mates. And that's GONNA I think have to eat away at him especially you know he goes through the list and says oh well Franks Franks ridiculous. Right Bay Begbie. He's violent I I can't stay with him anyway Sick boy would've done the same to me. Had he come up with the idea spuds the one he feels bad about and I think leaving him to. Grand is is nice. But how much is that going to eat away at him right? How much is this portrayal? Because he's leaving him half of what he actually was supposed to get the full forecast. Was it two stacks. Uh Stack which maybe maybe. Maybe you're right. I do and I feel like that's GonNa eat away at him at some point but but he's a he's missing his whole support network which got him clean in the first place so I'm worried about that. I just really appreciate it like. There's also the scene where you know. He's getting into this deal to sell this large quantity of heroin and how methodically anders reasonably he breaks down. The logic of widest relationship is working. Well I can't trust this guy but he's got this and this and he knows this so probably won't do this and this is the reason why this guy is on this operation because it's like dislike psychological and emotional Mexican standoff between this incredibly violent persons incredibly manip- manipulative. This person person just kinda goes alone gets along and like how those relationships are all proportionately balanced who make this enterprise work and also like the way they celebrate that sixteen thousand pounds score. Yeah I get. It's a little bit like I dislike. I seat stuff like that and I'm just this. How is it possibly worth the prison time or you know like four thousand dollars is a lot of money but it's not a lot of money to write And for the way they were kind of and then of course all it just goes bad because They're all weather biggby with violence Whether it's written with his you know whatever why you know I. I wonder why rent got into this situation. Because he seems like he had fairly solid working class middle class parents that provided him. Like I don't know like you cast your and you make certain feeling you know about like what kind of daddy was. Maybe he wasn't as warm and love but like it seems like he just rebelling against the concept of society like society. Wants me to do all these things. But I I WANNA be a rock star and I don't WanNa do that stuff so fox society and who are the people that also say Fuck Society? Oh these type of people. Oh and what did they do? They do this okay. I'm doing that too. Yeah I is interesting. That that's kind of tied in with sick boy's Sean connery discussion. And that idea of like. Oh some point. You just can't hack it unless like his big edge revelation about life which is so fucking obvious and thirty eight year old man. In retrospect like there's there's something tied in with that where like his identity is now this culture and and that culture is moving on from him. Right there's this discussion where he's talking with his under-age Girlfriend. I Know Kelly MacDonald and she's talking about how you know. Drugs are moving on music as moving on like everything your becoming Sean connery past his prime and I think.
"1996" Discussed on Bald Movies
"That's where it's like. You know you don't know that the trap is set until you're you're well into the physical dependency. I it's like I said it's a really scary drug. It's funny because about thirty minutes into Jack. Lockton want to know what is watching is about as about to be like. I don't know this and I'm like you know what you're thirteen going on fourteen. Sit Your Ass. Yes sit down. Let's let's watch this movie and it. I think it blew his mind because he's kept saying like why is this happening and I'm like yeah. Heroin man heroin like these people can't literally help themselves and I think it really was affecting like when you know Seeing some of these people trying to go through detox or even like multiple rounds of Detox. Sean's like bad decisions compound with bad decisions. And you know why because every time you make a bad decision and bites the ass you feel really bad and Pran GonNa have to have another hit hair one and a half to have a rally needle or something and it's just like that does locks you in that cycle and I've never seen a movie. Give more like stark example of that than this movie. Does I mean when that. There's there's this question that kept popping up and my notes over and over again for the first half of this movie you got to go right now is where we're GonNa go to massive spoilers if you haven't seen it you should because there's a couple moments where. I'm glad I thought this movie was certainly by heroin. But I thought he got his name from leg Dem surfing on trains because they're suicidal. Was that even a movie or did I completely invent that? There is a the lost. Boys sounds like hanging off the train tracks and I thought there was a movie about people like surfing on high speed trains in Europe or maybe even Japan and I thought it was this movie. It's not it's not so take all that ignorance and watch this movie because because there's a couple twists and turns that really work if you don't see him come in gem precede all right now that now that ever seen the film a couple of times in my notes. I wrote down this question. Who's babies this young man? Do they pay that off? Ho like you WANNA see. An example of substance abuse and the way that that abusers lean on that substance for everything in their life Right down to like the strength to carry on. Its in this movie and I don't think I've ever seen such a stark example of it and yeah I I remember seeing that baby kind of like playing around the edges and I kind of looked healthy. I don't know maybe this will you know Turn out okay and you kept on seeing he kept on CNN. And then like I'd Kinda forgotten about that until it turns around. And Yeah that that fucking dead baby is one of the most starkest like and the immediate aftermath of that what happens and they all unlike and it never resolves like. I was thinking like oh. This is where people go to jail. This people like it just Kinda goes away and that fell. I'm like okay. This actually feels like they probably just dump it somewhere. No one's GonNa know about it for years and years and years if they ever find out about it right and that's what feels like hair when like even how they lead into that like you know they are clean and they're doing fine and then they decided they can't handle society because you know they've got seems like a lot of these You know if you're a poor and Scottish you share a lot of Things in common with being poor in America and feel like there's nothing you know. Society has nothing to offer you that there's a rigged game so why not do heroin? And just like the mother screaming and like you and McGregor's character rent. Rent's trying to figure out. Like why is she screaming? How long has she been? Screaming has been setting and then I started being like oh Jesus. They've done heroin so much that they just completely forgotten about this baby. Yeah and it was tough to watch like. I've always wanted to see the Zombie. But not like this. Not like this not like God And they do such great work with him when he's in his parents like your Mormons. The Old Bear is his dad in this And he's a fucking dad and he barricades his son into his room and and he in in in in a room full of trains and he just goes through these intense scenes of psychosis and they do this. Really great thing where like. He's in a single bed and he goes under the sheets and like one of his mates comes and threatens the kicks as a kick ass in the roles and then he takes covers and I think that's a single camera break but it's like they just optically set it up where these illusions felt so real because they were happening in the camera frame and the camera lens was seeing that they dislike almost like a magician. We're rearranging to set and rearranging the scenery to to to make the stuff payoff. him crawling that toilet Like there's this magical realism going on. That is extraordinarily effective showing someone at the depths of heroin binge and also showing the men The depths of Heroin Withdraw Dad. So let's talk briefly about how that scene his age like a fine wine that that scene is one thing when you're viewing it from the perspective of a fresh-faced nobody was you and McGregor tireless. Different thing when you're viewing it from the perspective of this made is played obi-wan-kenobi I and he's crawling face first into this force toilet Scotland. He Sang Pretty Songs Opposite Nicole Kidman. He's no fantastic fantastic. Yeah and it's Oh God like there's various water out when he comes out man. There's very few scenes that make me gag. But the idea that he has shit so bad that he's GonNa use those toilets and then halfway through realizing. Oh God my drugs and I'm like no no no I almost I swear to God I almost threw up. Why okay so a. Why even bother with the toilet? I mean clearly or not the first person to shit on the floor in the bathroom. What is actually happening here? Because when he gets out of the toilet which I have to assume is just a fever dream right. This is not. He's not literally crawl now. I think I think you win. I think you had to go way down into the back of the toilet to find those depositories okay but when he gets home he so head to toe. Yeah did is he sweating or is it just like again that magical realism thing? Because they did show that like you know that you have like a whole bunch of different crazy side effects from from these drugs. They do a great job even with that low budget right. 'cause like you can tell he's crawling into like Shit. What is it called when you cut something in half to see the inside of it? Oh yeah cut away across section. Yeah yeah he's crawling into like a reverse cross section of a toilet here can only see the good side and he's like crawling past the toilet. It looks great. It really works. The effect is really cool And then the actual swimming like they. I imagine they spent a good chunk of the movie. Just do an underwater filming with you and McGregor in this disgusting toilet Brilliant I loved it. Yeah and again like I said that the practical effects I could talk all day about like the way they weave the different visions and him twisting and turning into sheets and during the pretty prolonged effect of him going cold Turkey. But I also WANNA talk about go back to Kinda Sociological Things. Because like the idea that this guy wants to go clean and gets clean at several times this movie and always find some way back. I think it's interesting because it seems like Does a lot of like Let's talk about as he got a valium from his mother. To first time he tries to kick it and he's like you know because she's one of the socially acceptable types of drug addicts. She's a housewife. And you know maybe. She has a whole glass a whole bottle of wine every night and she has a couple of times. But you know that's fine. She's holding it together and then the idea that you as a heroin addict you drive away. Anyone that can give you a hand up or or as is respectable And you're left with this. These worst drags and then they're your mates. Several points a third Reich while their mother meets. What are you going to do? Some of them aren't even drug addicts. Like Oh God was Benny The Psychopath Begbie Begbie yes. Begbie who are proud of not putting that Shite arson my body but he's so fucked up and addicted to his rage and power. The has over people that he might as well he actually probably better better off and heroin. Kind of fucking smooth him out. But you're just left this self reinforcing like you know if you try to get something together your mate steal at all to get an ex score You know you got a stable relationship. Your mate steals your porn tape. That gets you broken up with the girlfriend that spirals you into your drug addiction You're you're you're broken. You're on heroin. You don't give a shit about clean needles so you give each other HIV. It's like just this this. Everyone has a chance to hold the misery bucket and as a pass it from from May to May two sloshes all over him and it's somehow drives them closer together right like that. That tightens the bonds instead of the normal reaction. Which would be. This person is detrimental to my life. It's more like you hold more tightly to those people because that's all you've got. Yeah and I feel like some there again like That's one of the Underappreciated privileges of having like good family and a reasonable amount of wealth. Or being kind of you know well off. Is that when you are growing up in a poor community to people that you have this associated limited or people will associate with. You are limited. And you're always taught that like I used to stick by your friends. You should knock on your friends. Your friends are you know should be like a bond that lasts for life and at work against people to get themselves in the situation because I've certainly gone through multiple cycles of weaning out friends like you know when I went from like elementary school. The high school. Like add to tighten my friend circle because some of my friends started getting in some crazy fucking shit when I went into adulthood..
"1996" Discussed on Chat Sematary
"That's a big gap too so the fact that you know this story may be didn't stick with you to begin with when it released for those who were reading all of his stuff anew by that point who. Richard Bachman really was to. Then wait and get this adaptation. It really felt underwhelming to and obviously I didn't have that decade-long wait I had you know maybe a few weeks or a few months tops. But just the story as a whole. I don't think it really popped as much as I was hoping on screen. Will I remember the marketing for this? This is one of the first movies. I really remember the marketing for because I was like five or six pretty young L. C. Ninety-six so I was like okay. I was like eight and I remember going to the theater and seeing the posters and the poster scared the crap Outta me. 'cause it's got his faces normal on one side and then on the other side. It's all just skeletal. 'cause he's thinner and I remember seeing the previews on TV and things like that. And I was like does the scariest movie ever so for when I saw it as an adult I was like. That's it that's all there is to this like there is some really great. Gore stuff besides Lizard Guy. There's a couple of really gross deaths. There's some stuff between the battles between the out-of-towners and the people who live in town. There are some really really good stuff there but none of it really matters because of the story the story just so weak in the acting is so all over the playoff as you just can't get invested. It's very over the top at times when it doesn't need to be and you're like okay. Let's tone it down a little place and it plays everything straight faced it plays everything completely straight paste despite the fact that it is completely not like. There's never a little lincoln odd. There's never any acknowledgement or Meta awareness. Anything it's just sort of like this is a very serious scary story that will tell like a as the moral to not be a dick because everybody in this is yeah and that makes it really hard to root for one side or the other because a lot of times you'll have this good versus evil of thing going on but at this point it's like you know. I I guess we'll call them travellers because they're not from the area but they come in and sort of 'cause all of this chaos and act like you know everyone should be accepting of them and what they do. And then you have someone like billy who is sort of just a jerk all the time so you have to unlikable parties and they each blame each other for their problems which are mostly self created. It feels like yeah. I feel like I feel bad for the travelers a little bit at the beginning. I'm Kinda like okay. I understand like you just WanNa live your life and go on the outside of the town and do what you do and go with the circus in Do your fortune telling thing or whatever like I get that like leave him alone. Don't be jerks but they retaliate. To such a point that it's just like was that necessary like why did you escalate it to gonNA curse you being skinny until you die? That just seems like overkill And because of that it's again like you said it's hard to root for anybody like nobody is likeable and nobody's identify with the bull. That's that's a new word but yet it's just it's a tough flick and I feel like there's some interesting stuff there. There's definitely some commentary that is trying to make in places but I think king just was too bitter disillusioned at the time to really pull it together. Oddly enough this feels like one of those stories that maybe might have benefited from more context. And you can see that as they travel there kind of leaving this path behind them of unhappy people. So you're kind of like all right. We've Kinda feel bad for you but at the same time. If you WANNA be left alone why are you going to make things worse yet? And my husband mentioned that they're actually Connected to the same travelers from Dr Sleep. That at one point I that theory that they were the same sort of group of travelers. And actually that could see that I could only see a you know like the hats of dispute and like. Hey let's let's ruined those guys life by making him super skinny no matter how much eats. And you certainly can't put something like that passed Stephen King. Because we've seen how he's created this interconnected universe. I'm reading wizard and glass right now. Add It mentions captain trips and I was like okay. There's a little too real to be reading right now but it was just a small piece and we are going to carry on and obviously I had been told ahead of time that the stand is sort of a prequel to some of the dark tower stuff so I was aware of that going in but it was still interesting to see how he connected those two worlds together. And there's this crazy poster that I think I've mentioned on here before that just shows all of the connections to the Stephen King Properties. And even if you put it up like full screen on your computer you still have to zoom and see everything because there's just so much so. I definitely wouldn't put that past him but I want to go back a little to something you mentioned earlier and that's the effects because obviously the fat suit is a little too blown up and pudge she to actually look realistic but I think they did do a nice job like you said with certain things like the Lizard and just some of the practical effects that stood out more. But what did you think of how they made him look skinnier and Skinnier? I thought sometimes it worked. Sometimes I was just like oh. You put liquid latex on a good job guys it works sometimes sometimes it just looks like a skin. They is sort of hanging there in skin. Doesn't hang off your face like that. No matter how quickly you lost weight like I feel like they could have consulted some things like. I know they didn't have Google back then but there were encyclopedias. Come on guys. You could've called. Yeah College Doctor. Get a medical expert like what would happen if somebody lost weight. This rapidly like would their skin hanging off their face. No you'd have a little around your neck not not on your face like that like he just got like little pieces of skin on his face that it's just really unsettling but it doesn't get the point across yeah. I thought it worked on occasion but for the most part you were like okay. I get what you're trying to do here so we're just gonNA carry on and try and ignore it we're just gonNA roll with it. Yeah like it's like some of the early season buffy vampires where you're like I see what you're going for but you could have toned that down about three notches and it's worked absolutely. We can't talk about Stephen King Adaptation without bringing up a Stephen King Cameo because for the most part they exist in a lot of these movies and in this he played Dr Bangor which I thought was kind of a nice nod to the area because they actually did film this one in Bain which obviously helps. When you're telling US Stephen King Story. Yeah absolutely actually shoot again at main and on location. That kind of thing helps yet. Dr Bangor he is one of the more memorable Stephen King cameos like usually he's just sort of in for like a half second but he's got a good like fifteen minutes of screen time in this because he's a major player in the very beginning he gets interviewed by the lawyers during the becase at the beginning. So he's he's wacky. That probably has to do with the fact that they did filming in Maine because it's probably pretty easy for him to just pop on over to where they're filming and I believe he does have certain cameos where you're like. Oh okay yeah that makes sense and others where you're like wait. Where was he the other somewhere there for like a half second? You're like did he hitchcock like is he messing with us than this one. He's on it a lot and it's pretty fun one. He's not trying to do any kind of crazy accent or anything. So it's it's not bad. Yeah Stephen King Gwen Tarantino. The two of them need to learn. They can not do accents and they need to stop some good advice right there. Yeah Stephen King Dinner. It's it's a movie it yeah. We're kind of struggling for things to say here and I don't even think that necessarily has to do with the fact that I didn't watch it for this. I think even if I had watched it. There's not enough that sticks with me for it to have an impression so I guess we can wrap this up in a moment here but I like talking about ratings on here just because I think it's a fun way to see if I am on the same page relatively with my guests so I gave this a two out of five and I had to go to letterbox to look that up because I was like. What did I read this? I gave it a two and a half and I think the only reason I get that extra half was because I read it as delivered. Man's suit was happening and I was like that's still at school. Like his face is falling off as east driving. And that's that works for me one other last thing. I'd light a little bit here. But what did you think of the ending? Anthro curveball at you. Speaking of Nihilism in the world sucks in a hate everything. Stephen King ending. Yeah he poisons his whole family. That's that's the ending. Yea I guess. Linda got the short end of the stick. Force her this entire movie and it's very very sad to see. Yeah it's a bummer. Lay It. It's up there with like a Serbian film in term of endings. Where you're just like why? Why why did you go? That bleak was that necessarily the original clerks. Like where Dante gets killed like why? Why did you do that to us? And the movie ends. And you're like I sat through an hour and a half for that you jerk thankfully it was only an hour and a half the adaptations. Keep getting longer and longer these days. So we'll see how those age. Oh my God. Imagine a three hour center. Imagine three hours of thinner. No thank you. That would be rough. That'd be like harder to watch than cats. Maybe that's not true. I have not seen cats so I cannot speak to that at all. I'm okay with that. That's good that's smart. I made it thirty minutes. It is an abomination. Unlike which I've ever seen well. I think that wraps things up Danny. Thank you so much for coming on to talk about thinner today. Thank you thank you Anytime that does it for this episode of Chat Cemetery. You can support the podcast.
"1996" Discussed on Chat Sematary
"Everyone chat cemetery is back as is Danny Ryan. I'm your host the Anna Chapman and today we are talking all about the nineteen ninety-six movie thinner. Which is based off of the Richard Bachman Book of the same name from Nineteen eighty-four if I am not mistaken and it's one that is certainly a little different from some of the other stuff that he's done. Although more recently elevation kind of follows a similar theme but the storytelling itself is done in a much different way. But Danny why did you want to discuss? This movie is thinner a book that really caught your attention at first so you wanted to discuss the movie or was it something with the movie that you just thought would be funded discuss. It's the movie itself. I watched it with my amped a couple of years ago. There was a Stephen King marathon on and we watched it and I remember just being like you know. This is really really different from other Stephen King things that I've seen but it also has sort of the same like aesthetic like. There's this very late eighties early nineties kind of thing going on they were just like it's comforting to me but it is not good it really isn't and I actually watch this. I want to say somewhere around a year ago when it was on. Hulu because I noticed that it was going to be leaving the streaming service and I was like. Oh boy I better watch this before. It's not available anywhere in that. I'll have to pay to watch it because I wasn't too sure about how much I would enjoy this. Because I think by that point I may have not even read the book. I'm not one hundred percent. Sure on that I. Maybe I had read the book just before watching it but it was one of those things where I read the book. I was kind of like. How are they going to adapt this and obviously of fat suit is the answer? You're not a good would either. No and you have several characters in this for the most part. I would say a lot of the cast. I wasn't super familiar with. I was kind of familiar with some of the more random characters like you have Bethany Joy Lens as the daughter Linda but at the time she was only credited as joy lens and I was like. Oh well I know her from one tree hill eight million years after this movie and then Joe Mantegna whose name I probably just butchered was one of the kind of like gangsters in this and as an avid watcher of criminal minds. I have seen him in many many episodes of that. But otherwise really. It's like Robert John Burke and Lucinda Jenney are your two main people who this story sort of centers around and then you have people who come in like Michael. Constantine as Taboo Limpkey. I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly and carry you. Were as Gina Lemke. I probably just butchered ninety percent of those names so my apologies to all of you and it was something that the story was very small and a sense but you still had several moving pieces to it. So it's funny. You mentioned like you didn't really recognize anybody and I didn't either the daughters like I know her from somewhere but I'm not sure where. Where is my husband? Walked through the room and he goes on. Yeah it's robocup three guy so apparently Robert John Burke played robocop in Robocop Three. So the whole rest of the movie. I was just like okay. Wait if I think of him as Lake B-movie Peter well-earned. This kind of gets a little bit better. It's kind of fun. See I know him from law and order. Svu because my watches. That and I just happened to walk in and I'm like Oh that guy that guy the stories very slight and then they try to make it last a little longer. Because if I remember it's like a novella it's not a super long book and so they try to add a little depth to it with extra characters extra moving pieces it is just. It doesn't work. It's really a disparate and confusing and because of a it loses momentum at every time you feel like you're like okay this is going somewhere then there's another side plot and you're like wait what why yeah. There's a whole lot going on that. It doesn't really need because it just distracts from the main part of the story. Which is this sort of curse that makes this guy lose weight constantly and you and I were talking briefly before we hit record here and it's one of those stories that doesn't age super well either because they use the term Gypsy to describe this group of people and that's a term. That really is not used anymore. And obviously it's hard to fault Stephen King. For words that were common at the time when he wrote certain things but even as things get adapted years and years later you know. This is an adaptation. That happened quickly. It took like seven years or something ridiculous for this movie to even get made from when it was an idea warner brothers to it actually being released. Yeah it's hard because every single time they use that word like cringe a little bit but I know that it's one of those things that at the time we weren't really talking about how that's not okay to say and it's a lot in the fact is the characters are very stereotyped like the main traveller characters dressed like esmerelda basically. Yeah and then the guy that casts the evil curse on him. He looked so interesting that they actually paid it on. It's always sunny in Philadelphia when they did their lethal weapon. Five Danny Devito's dressed exactly like the guy from this like down to the denim vest cities wearing so that was kind of funny because I was like watching it this time. It's like wait a second. That's where they got that from. That's that's Kinda wrong. Do you really think there are any likable characters in this story. Because for me. Billy was just so unlikable from start to finish and maybe. Linda is a likable character. That's I was GONNA say. Linda Linda's the only likable characters. There's a really great bit at the very beginning of the movie. Where she's talking to her dad about how he defends a mobster and they do a lot of little lake mobster back and forth jokes and she's very charming and very likeable and I think Linda Linda's the only redeemable character in this entire movie. Like everybody else sucks. Which makes it hard to like the movie as a whole to because yes there are movies. That are dark and there are a lot of characters you don't like but you have to have some sort of satisfying and even if it's one that you can see coming and kind of crushes you. There are certain movies that and that way. But you know it's coming so you know that at the end you're not going to be happiness a -sarily but with this it was just a drag from what. I remember and to be honest. I don't remember a ton of the little details so the reason I didn't end up watching this was because I was curious how much of it I would remember a year later because a year. Isn't that long really? And you have all these. Stephen King adaptations that. I've been watching and I'm going to be very curious to see by the end of this podcast or as close to the end as I can get until Stephen King releases yearbooks in three years. It's something that I'm intrigued to see how much I remember from certain adaptations because of the condensed time period. That I'm watching them in. Yeah I think that's a really interesting thing because their stuff from Stephen King books in from some of the movies with its sticks with you forever like little bits where you're like that stock like the guy sticking his arm and the garbage disposal at fire starter like that stuck in my brain and will be there forever whereas thinner like no most of what stakes is kind of goofy joke stuff things that I'm like. Oh that was always sunny. Because it's that goofy and The bad makeup you know sort of just the very puffy fats. And they sort of deflated it and so he just looks like he has too much skin. But it doesn't quite look right then either like there's a few good special effects of this and so that's what makes that so frustrating to lake some of the Like the One guy. That's like a Lizard. Guy Is all peeling off. That's nasty. They did a great job with that but the thinner makeup is not good. I certainly remember the lizard thing because that's just something that kind of jars you while you're watching it and I remember how absolutely disgusting it was to watch. Billy eat especially pie. Oh the PO chicken lookie. He grabs a whole rotisserie chicken and is just shoving it into his meat whole. It's so gross. Yeah this movie's gross more than it is. I mean it's not scary at all. There's not a single scene where I'm like. Ooh That's scary. There's a bunch of times really. Ooh That's gross or youth. That's unpleasant but it's never actually scary. 'cause you're never actually worried about any of these people you kinda over like all right. Let's see how horribly they die because they deserve it one of the interesting things about the BACHMAN BOOKS IS I. Don't think any of the Bachmann stories have really felt super scary to me. Not In the way that you feel when you watch something. Mike Pet Cemetery or read something like pet cemetery and it for the first time and he just kind of shakes you to your core with certain things especially you know the original pet cemetery when you get that Zelda senior just like oh my goodness like this is a lot to take in and I don't ever WanNa see that character again. Thank you yet. It's exactly like some even case stuff like I recently was watching the stand. Tv series which is not not great but it reminded me of all the things in the stand that scared the crap out of me and you know the disease in particular captain trips and all that and so to go from something like that where there's this nuance look at characters and people and how we acted sort of this look at human nature. This is just a straight combination of everybody and I feel like that's the problem with the Bachman books as they're just so mean spirited. There's no love for any of the characters is to sort of like the world sucks. Let me write about it. The long walk though I think might be just scary from like a humanity perspective. You're just like that's my favorite. Oh Man Yeah I think that would also be my favorite of the Bachmann stuff too. Yeah and the only Bachman thing I haven't read yet is blaze because that comes much later since that's sort of a after death release hero so it's one of those things where you're like. Okay all right you have the regulators and blaze that come out after Bachmann suppose a death and you have to deal with those but thinner was really right around that time period when Stephen King was trying to make this alter ego work and to have the movie be adapted over a decade later..
"1996" Discussed on Chat Sematary
"Seems like it's this red thing floating around and you see it in that sort of big showdown in the end with Cami and sat and his aunt and you get a little more information I think than you do in desperation but they're still a lot of unknowns about the entity. Where did it come from? What are its motivations? You still don't really get those answers. And the fact that the vans come from sets imagination and the MOTO COP show. It's like okay. There's definitely a kid like element to what's going on in the regulators versus what's happening in desperation and that was a nice change of pace because you're kinda like okay. This is getting a little ridiculous and over the top with how these vans are being portrayed in these shooters it's like there's a very fictional element to it but it's very real What is happening to all of these characters and the story? I think it holds up a little for me just because you get this connection to everything that is happening is happening. As sort of this element of Seth's mind mixed with what tack wants to destroy and even though you don't really get any reason for all of this destruction you're kind of like okay. Well you know kids don't always have a reason for doing what they do. So willing to let a little bit of the story elements slide in this but the fact that you do have to try so hard to keep up with okay. Who is who. What House are that. We add now and what color van is coming at you. It's a lot to take in and there is this element of like you said. Bachmann books where everything is just so much more grim in desperation. You could feel all of the hope that David had because David knew how to figure this out but in this is just like a scramble until the end. That's true yeah it almost the at least with this one. I mean it's been awhile since I've read any other bachman books like even though King is not afraid to delve into like sex sexual things and whatnot. This one thought a lot more aggressive than a little more. Like there's a I mean there's probably lake thirty or forty pages of this book like dedicated. The Lake Seth defecating which is just odd to read. Yeah I mean it's just it I mean I get it ends up actually being part of how they kind of stopped tack but I don't know it was just it was really odd. It was a few years from us. He writes a dream catcher. Which like that. That movie is basically like just aliens defecation like that's an entire book but I kind of feel like he was. I don't know that was weird obsession. It's at this. Point is writing life but Yeah it just it just feels a little grimy or a little more like more like kind of like a grind house film version of a Stephen King Novel. I guess would be the best way to put it. It's also interesting. You brought up it though because that's one problem. I also have with Ed and it's a much better book than this but like I've never really get a sense of what exactly it is. Penny wise cannon. Can't do okay especially in the movies but even in the book. It's which is crazy because that books like twelve hundred pages but even in the book. It's it's never really completely defined For some reason it's okay in that book though. I guess because everything else works so well but in this maybe it was just more noticeable because it was a little bit of a week or story and tic TAC kind of feels like a kind of like a weaker version of penny wise. I guess like that evil entity. Yeah I think with Penny wise because you know it comes around every twenty seven years that gives you at least some semblance of hey there are guidelines for how this thing works and the fact that typically only children can see it. You know when the kids who are being tormented. None of the adults can see anything that's going on but because they come back when penny wise comes back you feel like okay. This is their battle. They have to end so they can still see pennywise as adults but other than that. You really don't have any guidelines for what's going on but I feel like it is a little more structured with its characters and penny wise and the relationship between the two whereas with this you don't have too many people in the regulators. Who Have a relationship with TAC? Other than Seth and the people living in Seth's house of Yeah that's a very boy. Yes that's true in desperation. It's much more out in the open. They understand that this thing has taken over Cauley. They understand that it takes over David's mother by the end of desperation. And you know obviously. I'll probably spoil both books at this. Point are desperation episode aired last week but really these two novels you kind of do have to read both of them to get sort of the bigger picture of what tack is capable of doing even though you still don't get any exact answers Yeah it seems like he's just kind of like A. I'm trying to think of what that fairytale character is. And it's not an and I don't think he's just. He's a mischief maker right. He just he just wants to. He just wants chaos mischief and you know He wants you know people that kill each other and He you know have sex and he's just he's very much like just on that kind of I guess that kind of wavelength where he just wants to create all this kind of destruction and chaos. He doesn't really seem to have much more of a purpose. Which is fine. I mean you could definitely have like word novels and Warren Movies that have characters like that. I just I don't know. And maybe like you said maybe if there was some connection with the characters maybe if we had more connection with the characters that it sounds like we did desperation yeah This would have been a lot more interesting but like you don't even have like they're not even really connected to South Audrey either because they haven't even seen them in like a year because they haven't they haven't left the house yeah Because I thought that was interesting to you when you're reading those journal entries throughout and they're from the year before. Yeah I did want to talk to you about little tidbits at the end of each gender I think the journals were the most effective but everything else just kind of felt weird and I guess we can kind of talk a little more about the ending in specific because once everything goes down. All of these people have died. Not all of them but a lot of people have died on this one. St You finally have fire trucks and police officers coming and you know. The firefighters are putting out the fire. The police officers are just like what on earth is going on. They don't know who to point. They're gone out. They don't know who to leave alone and jazz victim. And then you get this sort of epilogue whereas just this random letter and you find out that you know. Seth and his aunt are kind of ghosts at this mental institution. And Yeah or something. And it's super weird. You're just like okay but like what does that even have anything to do with literally anything you know. There's I had to. I had to go read about that because I didn't really get that at all and I guess there was something in the book where I mean I did remember. Kinda remember this where Audrey kept. Its Audrey right and their names. Yeah she kept going to like this kind of mental safe place uh-huh and it was. I guess a prairie. Yeah like a prairie and meadows. Something like that. Yeah yeah so that's like that's what I read that. We're supposed to get that. That's where they're ghosts are like this Netto But yeah but it did seem like it was like a it was like an an or something. It was some kind of I. Don't I didn't get that. It was a mental institution. I thought it was like a touristy thing that maybe it was that really. That part really confused me well. It says mental sanctuary so I guess they just announced where she went and our had not an actual institution. That is my bad but yeah it felt like it was like a hotel or something and it was just like this is Super Weird and kings endings. Have been a big topic discussion on this podcast because those really seemed to be hit or miss and I read that letter and it was a long letter to and then you have the one with Alan signs and it was like forty pages of this letter. This dude was writing and I was like. Oh my goodness we have cut so many things out of this book will in in what was what. What else was interesting about that? I believe the the stuff at the end not was like eighty four right. So that's what also confuses me because the year didn't make any sense because the events in the book took place in Ninety six and ninety five so the whole thing was weird. Yeah I didn't catch the date. I can look real quick but if that's the case that's even weirder because site that they travel back in time to be goes. I have it right here. No June nineteenth nineteen ninety-six. There's like ten years before the events in the book took place. Yes so that's even weirder because then you have this element of time. Travel with ghosts like Okay maybe that was when they took seth in or something. I'm not really sure. But that is Super Weird. And that's a very nice catch on your part. I didn't buy probably didn't even read the day I was like. I'm not gonNA crack this out. I guess I'd never been on here. Talk about seeking endings. I think those. I think it's both lake. I mean he's kind of made it a joke himself. I mean If you've seen doctor sleep. He's actually in a scene where he basically trolls himself. It's really bizarre. But I think most of his endings are fine. I think there's a couple that stand out that are not great. It being probably one of them for a lot of people but I think for the most part I think he does okay and I think this one I mean it. It's just not that interesting getting to that point but I do think the ending might be one of the stronger parts of this book. Oh interesting I was just so baffled by that epilogue. I think everything before that worked. Great why I'm talking about pre epilogue. I guess I'm not really counting the logs e ending. Because that's a little separate but like the you know just how they defeat tack even though they kind of get lucky but I did kind of like the way. Seth actually was helping them. I I found this character. Pretty interesting probably not developed enough but like there was some things about them that we're kind of cool and I don't know I I kinda liked the ending word. The way they they way they. Because I didn't really understand how they were gonNA possibly beat this character right or beat the Batak but I thought they they handled it in a pretty interesting way but but it just kind of a mediocre book up to that point so maybe you know maybe I wasn't expecting as much whereas in a in a much better book like the stand or something. Maybe when it gets to the ending. You're just a little underwhelmed. Yeah because of that. It's like a lot happened. But they didn't do a whole lot of build up to that final ending. Because we didn't spend as much time with seth as you would think we would have knowing that it was going to come down to this showdown and I did like that showdown element anew sort of hit the epilogue and it totally changes gears. And you're like all right go left the epilogue out. I think yeah it was almost like after I read that I was like. I wish I hadn't read that. Yeah and that's what I mean by endings. It's like Stephen King's nail and ending but then add an epilogue that you're like No I mean I think it's definitely justified like what people say. But I but I do. Think a Lotta people. That haven't even read more than two of his books. Just kind of say that as like. That's you know accepted that he just writes terrible endings. And it's like he's a really good writer like he's written some really good endings. Oh Yeah I think. Like pet cemetery is one of my favorite endings from him. Oh yeah pets mature. It's got a great ending in in the book especially. Oh yeah absolutely yes. So it's not like I think every single ending is bad. It's just having read so many of these books in such a short timespan. It's something that I've increasingly noticed. When he does something weird and like the epilogue and I agree with you that the ending pre epilogue was pretty satisfying. Even though you know all of these tragic events had to unfold before that. But you're like okay. They figured out a way to at least get tack off of the street. And while they can't go back to having a normal life by any means they can start to move forward. Yeah I also just the seth character just being a parent like I'd be in like kind of weird about like dirt and stuff. I just like the description of how like just uncared for he was because of the situation and just how gross the house wasn't stuff. Yeah I just I just felt so bad I was even thinking about that at the ending..
"1996" Discussed on Chat Sematary
"I mean this book takes place over two days. I think is what we determined. And Yeah it's about a day or two because it's like they're all driving during the day and you figure he's taken the carver family already when we first meet him. So you have this guesstimate as to when he first took someone. And you have Steve in Cynthia coming along later. And you're Kinda like okay. All right seems like they were taken somewhat recently. Obviously you know they got there about an hour after Johnny was taken. And then you have the nighttime scenes and then the next day is kind of when everything starts to wrap up so you figure somewhere between twenty four and forty eight hours give or take and it's not a long time by any means given how long this book is too so one thing I wanted to ask you about. Was the story overall. Did it feel like there were any lulls? That really made you just want to hurry up and get it over with or do you think that by the time you've got through learning about all these characters as much as king was going to give us anyway that the story kind of paid off. I think the story. It's a little bit of both for me. Honestly I think the story does pay off in the end and I think the information he imparts in those bits K Y and most of that was when you're learning about Johnny. I don't this guy's an asshole and I did constantly wonder. Is He parodying himself? Or is this writer that he knows because you gotta think he knows a lot of yes but there was those moments of what during Kay. How is this GonNa come into the story? That's what I'm always asking. When I have those moments of feeling like almost board is what am I gonNA get out of this? Because he is not well I think he can be a bit. Ramle in general. If he's giving you information it's information you're going to need to end together and the ending of this is pretty satisfying. I thought I'm and I think he paid it off. He paid off those moments for me. How did how did you feel it like you took me a while to get into it but then once I was into it I was like okay. This is really tense things. Are you know getting very suspenseful? And even though there's a supernatural element to it you can tell that what these people are feeling is real. It's panic setting in. Its them trying to figure out how they're going to survive because they're basically in the middle of nowhere. It's not like Vegas is down the street or anything so right there kind of in this place that it's one of those towns where if you blink you'll miss it kind of thing and it's basically still just a mining town at this point you obviously have a main street and you know a few other things and that's about it so by no means. Is this a place that people are going to be constantly driving by or driving through because it's kind of off the main highway you kind of have to wind your way around get to it and the story kind of does the same thing it kind of winds? Its way around until it really gets to the point. I would say in like the last third of the book and it gives you some moments where you have to remember to breathe. 'cause you're getting so wrapped up in the tension and everything that these characters are feeling. You're like okay hold on. I'm just reading a book. Need to take few breasts here and then we can carry on. And sometimes you're like that's probably what the characters need to do to if we're being honest especially once they're all in the theater that has been closed down and just even though they're all in one place they're still so many things going on there like okay. We have to put these bottles by the window in the bathroom. So that if anyone comes in we'll hear it and we need to make sure everything's locked up and things still go crazy in there because then they're not agreeing and other things happen and it's one of those stories where you really get into it. I would say more so about halfway through it. And we've talked about various king books. Where sometimes you just can't get into it and that would have been for both of us. The Tommy knockers which interestingly enough. There's some mention of the Tommy knockers in this book so I was a little worried I was like. Oh no you mentioned the one thing. That's not a good sign yet exactly. I think it's such a slow burn. Almost Yano so much happens from the first minute of the book I page like stuff is happening all the time. But it's kind of drawn out you know because it takes place over such a short period of time. We are seeing like a minute by minute. Playthrough almost of these people's lives and so by the time they get to the theater that I think is really the turning point as well for me. Look that is when we know who these people are and we can see the danger there in and now they have a second to figure out what they're going to do and so now all of their personalities are going to clash and everybody's going to have their own opinions and I think in particular the use of Audrey the other hand of tack that Kinda takes place in. This is such a great. Reveal that moment when she when you realize like. Oh this lady is not what we were led to believe is really ramps everything up so well and that was. I think really the point when I was like all right now. I am into this. I am here for it so because like okay so no one can be trusted. It's not just that he can take her tax takes over animals and one host like he can get into anybody. Given the right circumstances you also have that moment when I think the story takes a turn before the movie theater where things are kind of like okay. We know what David can do. And then he. You know undressing slips through the bars to get out and to get these and I think that moment in particular is part of the story where you're like okay. These people are going to get out. We know not all of them are going to make out of here because you get this image that the cop has grown in size sense tack took over his body and this guy was already big to begin with from what we can tell so the fact that he grew even just a few more inches just makes him that more intimidating. Especially when the person you're relying on is as small as David is right. He looms over everything in the book. And I it's interesting that he is only in very beginning but his shadow falls long over the book. Once he's gone and Elena's tack. It's such a clever use of setting stage for character and you continue here about him like they continue to call tax and trade in for a long time throughout the book even after they know that he's no longer and trade in it such a scary thing to think about a huge man becoming larger and evil. Because it feels like. He's unstoppable especially for David. Were there any other moments in the story that really stood out to you as moments that you think will stick with you after finishing up this book? I think the scene with David Where he goes into the trance and he's in the land of the dead and we really get a lot of detail about as well as much detail as we're going to get about What tack is. I think that scene is so well done. I love his like Hallucinatory Trans Scenes. I I always enjoy them because they always go weird place and I figured out. I figured that was Johnny. Like from the beginning the guy in aviator glasses that David is talking to in that who reveals all of this info for him but I think the philosophical parts that he puts in there in that scene and because the two of them kind of get into this deeper discussion of what God is and why a David should continue doing what God wants and all of that and I think that part is well done and it's a difficult line to walk especially in a horror novel like this. That's a weird diversion to take but it is still so interesting and I think it works well with what King is trying to do here because without that I think it would feel much lighter like the it was still dark and nasty but the content and the message I think of this would be much lighter and not have so much substance that I felt makes it a more powerful book in those final moments. You mentioned earlier that you found that the ending was satisfying in this one in endings or something. We've talked about a ton throughout this podcast. And I think not knowing what happens to David after he gets in the car with Mary and they leave is the right move because of the fact that he already lost everything. What else do you need to know? That's not something he's just going to get over a week from now a year from now or whatever it is you know. He lost his sister and his parents all within the short time span and sure. He has this trust in Mary. Steve and Cynthia at the end of it. But it's never going to be the same for him and that's really all that you as the reader needs to know right. I think as I was approaching the ending okay relief. We still like not in like the afterward portion from King Books I was like Oh God she still happening. This is crazy like we're not gonNA get much resolution and then we absolutely do not get much resolution for these people's lives like we do and say Christine where we see. What like fifteen twenty years later for these characters and how? It's affected them like we get them driving out of the desert and that's it and it is all the more gut wrenching for that choice because it leaves you feeling a little hopeless because obviously we're seeing. David so strongly affected by the trauma that he's experienced and he. I think we get the sense that he's going to be okay but he's never going to be the same and he's always going to have to live with this. Horrific series of events supernatural series of events. No less and it's kind of a punch to the gut and I really applaud him for doing that because I think he does have a tendency to like. Oh I WANNA make everybody feel a little bit better after the end of the book. So I'll show these people's lives continuing on and with this story and how brutal it is. I think that's the right choices to end it quick and just kind of leave us feeling a bit bereft for David. It's almost like in a movie when you get that. Ending of people driving off into the sunset or something. But you know it's not a happy ending by any means right right because it's not a happy ending. I mean David Loses his dad. You know. He's his dad would have died. What like fifteen minutes before this twenty minutes before. They've gotten away tops and our and then he finds the note from Johnny and like just as he continues to go through trauma even after. Like you know the big bad has been defeated. And they're supposed to be you know moving on at this point and he's still experiencing these hard moments up until the last five ten paragraphs of the book so it's a it's a real hard read all the way through. I think yeah it really is and I think. That's what makes the ending at least satisfying as a breeder in the end. Because you're like okay. We didn't a happy ending necessarily either. So we kind of get. This open ended thing where you know that David Mary Cynthia and Steve Are all going to have their lives. Go on but they are going to be forever changed by the events of the last thirty six ish hours. Yeah very much so and it's so sad but it also despite its intensely supernatural elements. It also feels very realistic in that way. And that you know when we traumas individuals. It's not something that we just get to put down and everything's okay at the end. We have.
"1996" Discussed on Chat Sematary
"Everyone chat cemetery is back as is Katie Schaefer. Today we are discussing. Stephen King's Nineteen Ninety. Six novel desperation. It is one of his twin novels the other being the regulators which was under his Richard. Bachman name so we're going to be talking about one half of sort of this bigger picture today. And Katie. I know you haven't read the regulators just yet but with desperation. Did you kind of get a sense that there was something bigger going on than what you just read in the book. Yes yes definitely. It felt like King is expansive to say the least and in this book felt like there was there definitely was something else going on and you didn't really find out what was going on in this book until pretty far in. Yeah so I feel like I need to read the regulators now so that I know what the other side of this is right. Yeah it's one of those things where the books literally came out on the same day but because he put them out under different names. I mean by this point. Everyone pretty much knew he was. Richard Bachman I think as far as people who had been following along with his work the entire time so it's probably not a surprise for too many people who were constant readers as he would call them but I think it was an interesting tactic. Because it's not very often that you get an author releasing two books on the same day especially like this so with desperation in particular you kind of read what it's about and then you're like oh the cities in Nevada. Okay that makes sense. This feels like a desperate area for sure because it's all desert and dry heat and sort of just this disgusting weather for a good chunk of the year so it was kind of a perfect setting but it's also one that we don't typically see from King. He really likes his main settings or even Colorado sort of these woods ear places and to have this be in the desert. It was just such a stark contrast from a lot of his other stories and it had so many characters. Like it to where you were like. Okay wait who's related to who what's going on here right yet. This was a very different at times from what I've read from him before. I mean it's still feels very much like a Stephen King Book. Of course but how. Stark and spare the desert is really sets a different tone for the story not that all of his other. Books are super hopeful. You know that's not an accurate thing but this one feels really dark. It took me a little bit to get into it. Because there's just there's nothing good. There's no there's no hope especially in the beginning things. Are Things. Get Nasty quick and you can tell that it's only going to continue to get worse. And the desert very much personifies that especially with how many animals he uses in this one Salt Lake Scorpions and spiders and buzzards and that kind of thing which are not. You don't typically think of those animals is very cuddly so I'm sure there's a few but not me so I think he uses that setting really well and it was a interesting change that even though it was kind of hard to get into it. I I really liked how he used it. I agree this one took a little time to grow on me for sure and it was one of those things I was like. Oh No is this going to be one of the ones. I don't like and thankfully I did end up liking it in the end and I think a lot of that had to do with the work. He did with David Carver in particular. Because he's this young boy who doesn't necessarily have any glaring powers at I. It's not like he is like Charlie from fire starter. Who is lighting people and things on fire either on purpose or accident all the time. So you have this slow. Build up with the boy and what he's able to do and it was just so well paced even though the rest of the story really took a while to get into an you have just like. I said so so many characters. You kind of wonder okay. We can't keep them all around. It's kind of again like it. You know that with the number of characters you have between the good guys and the bad guys and Penny wise and it. Something is going to happen. Not all of them are going to make it out and with this you have tack who is the evil villain in this but needs to have a host body and tack takes on Collie and trangens. I don't know if I'm pronouncing that properly. But the cops body so you just have this cop who is an authority figure going around telling people what to do and they're inclined to listen because he's a cop and his cover story is basically that there's a lone shooter out there. Just shooting people at random and that gives people a reason to not want to be standing out in the desert but then he's doing things like planting evidence on people and you know he's frustrating them at the same time and as the story continues you see him kind of taking a family taking one person taking a couple people and it just adds up over time. And you're like okay. We got be able to keep these characters straight here right and it it throws them at you really quickly in you know it kind of goes from scene to scene of him taking each different group and then we get to the point where the group is together. And there's I think at least one more person we meet the in there at that point and the characters. I thought he did a good job. Kind of delineating. Each one so that they all feel kind of different and they'll add something to the story but yeah it's it needed some slimming down and that does eventually come like eventually. There's not so to keep straight but and I I like the fact that he included Cynthia from rose matter which we've talked about in this and she plays a pretty decent role I would say and I really enjoyed how he uses. David I think I was kind of skeptical at first. It was like Endowed by God boy. Okay let's see how he does with this but I think he uses kind of. Just the right amount of it and doesn't get real overblown with the religiosity of that character. You know that character very much technologies the cruelty of a an infinite God and all of that so it never feels. Preachy and David never really feels preachy. He just feels very passionate about his beliefs. Oh absolutely an in typical Stephen King fashion. He includes a writer in the group. So you have Johnny Maryville. Who is this bestselling author and the cop kind of recognizes him? And there's this sense that this is a guy who all of these other people are probably going to recognize even if it takes them a minute because a lot of times yes there are other pictures on the inside cover on the back of books but not everyone necessarily likes study's authors picture. Every time they read a book so it's likely it'll take a minute for these characteristics. Recognize who he is and I like. How realistic that felt because you were like. Yeah okay maybe it would take me a minute to recognize some of these authors whose books I've read because I don't sit there and stare at the back cover for ever and you know of course this writer has to have an ego. And he has Steve Ames who is helping him out. I'm not really sure what Steve is doing. He's driving a rental truck from what I can tell and moving some stuff for him and he's out on his motorcycle but they aren't together for whatever reason probably because Johnny doesn't want to be held back by a rental truck while he's on his motorcycle and that's when you sort of start figuring out okay. How do these people all know each other? How is this going to play out? Who's going to stick by? Who side this entire time? Obviously the carver family is going to want to stick together. But call eight doesn't let that happen. You have Marianne Jackson who are a couple and they both don't survive together so you have these couples and families being torn apart throughout this entire thing too and it just adds so much trauma to these characters after we meet them right and we don't other than Johnny I would say we don't get much of a sense for who these people were before drew. We know Cynthia because she's in a previous book. And I I didn't get quite a bit of who Johnny is but you know Steve and Mary and the other folks in there in the carver family is just not as developed David. Probably the most flushed out of the carver family because we get the whole back story with his friend who is in the Hos- yell and he went in said this prayer and agreed to these terms and the friend woke up almost immediately. After so you do get a sense of okay. This thing with David started before this interaction attack. But you have this background for him and for Johnny. Because it's kind of kingsway of letting you know. Hey you really need to pay attention to these two characters in particular. Yes I agree. I think and how he tells us about each of them in these kind of alternating flashbacks about their lives. Like as we need to know that information he kind of drops it in there and allows them to grow and become more fully realized characters and it becomes more satisfying to read about them. Because I think they kind of share the protagonist role in this book. You know each one kind of I think. The book is mostly from the tour their perspective. From what I've remembering like I think Steve Gets a little bit of time in the driver's seat. If you will but I think in general it's kind of David and Janis show yeah. And they are so different their their lives their identities how they approach everything is completely different and it feels throughout the book like there's a lot of conflict between the two of them but it's usually fairly subtle. I think and then by the end you know. They have to save each other. Essentially you know as one. We'll do it and then the other one does it and it becomes this really deep relationship between two people who didn't necessarily expect to have that deep relationship in the beginning of the book. Yeah I WANNA talk a little more about tax specifically because it's not a person what it does is it takes over people's bodies and then when it's sort of worn them out it can jump to another body so later in the story wants. Collie is really beat up and sort of starting to look defeated it jumps into David's mother's body so then you have someone who looks like his mother going around but with all of these evil intentions and obviously David is gifted enough to understand what is going on. But it's one of those things where you can tell they're still this tension because this thing looks like his mom Ralph's wife and you know the sister and daughter is dead so you have this very very sad story for the carver family in particular because David is only one who survives right and for you know it starts so senselessly with the little girl when she just gets thrown down some stairs and we don't even see it happen like it's talked about but we don't get that scene. She's dead when we meter and then his mom being taken I mean. There was a considerable period of time in the book where you don't know what's going on with that where intrigued as occupied tack is kind of out of the story. As we're getting these people moved on to the next location and moving everything forward but throughout the whole time. I'm like what happened to Ellen. Something terrible is happening to Ellen. Oh God oh God and it just drove so much tension and then you don't even find out how tack is taking these people you know. We know that he does but that scene. Where you actually see how it happens. Takes Place Last one hundred fifty pages of the book and it's so horrifying like how that scene goes down. You really see the conniving cruelty that tack has and you know it really becomes apparent that this thing is going to do anything can to destroy everything can and you never really know what it's motivations are either. It's like is it trying to accomplish? Something doesn't want anyone getting in the way. Does it just need to feed and King never really truly answers that question. So you're just left with your imagination running wild and like you said it's like when David's bomb is taken and you're Kinda like I can only imagine what is happening to our right now and we never truly know what that is so you have. These open ended sections of the story. Where you're like okay. My Imagination is going to run wild. I have no idea if this is accurate or not. But sometimes that's part of the beauty of some of his stories that you can decide what you think is going on and you'll never really get an answer but you also don't really need one because if you've been reading king books all along up until this point you kind of know what his mindset is like one. He's writing a book and how much trauma characters are going to go through in general right right and it makes it so when he does those things when he has these little moments where something bad is happening out of sight it makes it all the worse. Because you never know if you're going to get that part of the story or if he's just going to leave it up to your imagination because he is very good at picking what he should leave up to the imagination. It's never something that will drive the story forward. It's something that will make the story more upsetting or scary or whatever he's going for and he does that particularly well in this book..
"1996" Discussed on The Black Guy Who Tips Podcast
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"1996" Discussed on The Black Guy Who Tips Podcast
"Never thought about to knowledge and what it was and you know read it ought to be well The autobiography for And reading Reading this is is kind of like enlightening to see like. Oh this is what people was dealing with so right and most of the black people that are most US probably second third fourth fifth generation of these people that migrated duties areas a lot of people. Particularly let's say Chicago New York. DC light above the quote unquote makes Dixon Line. If you go back to your roots. I'll aw presented them. Nicholas came from down south. Most of them were not originally born and raised gone. When they came to America up there they migrated read it to the areas? A large percent is sad because when you think about this shame blackwell fill about country. Black people starting areas like you know the way people shit on the south black people in the sow Look no further than win this current crop of candidates running And how plead Buddha Jake sold out southern black vote in South Carolina how Bernie Sanders before him. Everybody forgets that in twenty sixteen. You know they just playing when Hillary for his they blame hilly for US laws but he never really made inroads with black people in mass has some young black people on his team but he didn't make it in mass ask all black people and that's to his detriment you know and it's interesting to think about the way that these things still reflected day because I remember number win. It was the numbers coming back and it was like black. People in the south are not really fucking with Bernie. The anti blackness jumped out and not just as white supporters but a lot of his black supporters right started talking about black people being too stupid and all this shit and the vast majority of black people who don't live in the south come from the fucking Sal. You all got here through ports in Charleston in Virginia and Shit like that and like very few black people can trace their ancestry back in America data if if they came through slavery through the air through the era slavery fairview. Black Volcano is free. The people very few black people oh came here and you know got the real indigenous servitude treatment and and really had it respected. Most most of us are came from MM Chattel slavery. If you're an immigrant from outside of America you mostly came from Chattel slavery. Come on you know like like you were affected by or or somehow in in this world. There's even if you're from Africa. You were affected by colonization and the slave the slave trade okay so to the thing about the disdain. People have southern accents mannerisms of southern black folks. It's it's almost scary. It's almost sad in the shame that people feel about it because you know it's a lot of like mocking and shit but that's internalized. Shame that you have for your grandparents grandparents for your father and mother four your great grandparents and the people that really were brave enough to pack up all this shit and leave at Williams note is knowing they were leaving all their land behind knowing they were leaving us in many places they could not go back because people will want to kill them and all this stuff so yeah I aloes books off. Our shows to ignorance of people in even today is so fucking frustrating. Whenever at you know you kind of hear your black people up north down south about the lousy and we have down here but stop and Frisk up there you know what actually is the same fucking thing being right stems from racism? You know what I'm saying is like you know they say very ignorant shit like the police. Don't stop them to get a police. Stop us to the police. Also Stop Gal to the police also route herash up there too you know. That's why was certain things happen to people up north. They were like well. I never thought it would happen to me. Up here I'm up north. Dude Niccolo get. Don't give a fuck it. Is You black you black. Well you know what it is that a lot of these states and I guess it still works and certain people hopefully not as much anymore but a lot of these states used to advertise themselves as these destinations that were free of racism and they were telling telling the truth for the most part that they were racism in the North because they were free of black people so there wasn't any racism to be needed really really when there were no black people you know but when like say Chicago went from like forty thousand black people to a million you know where you were like. Less than and five percent of the city population to forty percent is eighty bob relation. Well all of a sudden now shot. Chicago's one of the most racist cities in America. Well how that can happen in the north with right now is this. The racism goes where white people's uncomfortable in this goes and they're uncomfortable when it's too many quote unquote black people. As though yeah a large Artois Dez is and then the other thing about the X.. Ray they were talking about politicians riding that to the to the office. You know mm-hmm and they would be saying bombastic like I don't hang every nigger we have to get to get the south under control like they would say shit like that and you know the and then like and this was not just idle rhetoric. You're talking about a time. When people were literally lynching folks and that meant that was a signal light we get out of town they lynched two two boys for Lincoln at a white woman? We get is how we don't know if it happened to not just dead so The the the politicians how's that different from Republicans now how's it different from Donald trump the not ride racism straight to fucking office like Mike while everyone's trying to examine economic fragility and a white people's you just hard work and why people can't find a job and airings things. Id over that. Why you're examining that with employment numbers under Obama that were through the roof for why folks anyway when you're examining examining that and still trying to come out with any reason but racism? That's what happened back. Then that like after those during those eight years of reconstruction destruction. That's what the fuck you wrote it. Everything was white people refusing to believe southern white people were really as fucking e was people said they were people. They went to war with slave. Save owning white people and they scapegoated black people instead so and I and I think for me. It's very frustrating. Because it's almost the thing we're history. We you know repeats itself and a lot of any. We've talked about a lot of black people buy into anti blackness and don't even realize that they bought into it the hook line and sinker and a lot of times. You know people talk about the white man a lot of times you've actually pushed. The White Man. Agenda annoying puts pushing the White Man's agenda out of your lack of knowledge. Alex lack of history lack of no yourself lack of knowing you should know these quote unquote country bunk. Out knowing knowing I'll body of you track your lineage. You if you go back and your family's history you some connection to you somewhere of God it down here if you black. That's what it's going to be like. Do you have a very low percentage of black Americans who don't have a traces to slavery it's very low percentage so shit on this idea sleighs in the south and Outta Shit Israel fucked up Anyway Walk to the show guys. That's been our reading Rainbow Reading Rainbow segments a reading rainbow symbol. Take a look is in that but I can't do anything But yeah so just get the first twenty minutes every show guys. So of a lot of news is happening and I definitely want to talk about route. It so let's go ahead and get into get into that stuff Colin Kaepernick Hata workout. Not In talk about this year. Are we last week really. I talked about a little bit on a sports show and no offense is because I knew what it was I know game is game. I didn't expect not a single person's mind to be changed. Raise your hand if you change your mind this weekend. Our weight right. Everybody feels the way they felt before this year. I still feel the way I feel before this year. to be fair but let's go into the breakdown of the events and and there's a lot of rumor and speculation out here so not all of his being reported as would confirm like out of people's.
"1996" Discussed on Classic Races
"Back at the Richmond International Raceway Ernie urban is taking the race lead away from Jeff Gordon now with ninety six laps the go urban and Gordon One and two urban is opened up. Maybe five six Carling's race track on Gordon in the couple of laps. Since he took the lead the field summary now is we are just inside of one hundred laps to go behind Irvine and Gordon. You've got Dale Jarrett in third Johnny Benson in Fourth and Jeff Burton v tearing the body runs six rusty wallace the seventh Mark Martin Eighth Derek Cope is on the movies nine and trying to get away for mark. Martin and you've got bobby the body running in the tenth position. Bobby Hamilton is eleventh the final car on on the lead lap one lap down in Twelfth Kenny Schrader Michael Waltrip thirteenth fourteenth plus grave and Fifteenth Kyle Petty Sixteenth Ricky Rudd Jeopardized Seventeenth Eighteenth Sterling Marlin Darrell Waltrip is nineteenth. Bill Eliot is twentieth twenty-first is Rick Mast and Ricky Craven is twenty second two laps down in twenty-third is Hud Strickland Gordon Shepherd twenty-fourth Robert Pressley twenty-fifth Brett Bodine's in twenty-six Jimmy Spencer Twenty seven Dick trickle in two thousand eight Dale Earnhardt two laps down in twenty nine and todd bovine in thirtieth three laps down thirty. I is Ward Burton thirty-second Jeremy Mayfield Bobby Hill and in thirty third and lake speed in thirty fourth four laps down in thirty thirty fifth position is wally dowling back Dave Marcus in thirty six five laps down in thirty seventh JOE NEMECHEK and John Andretti thirty eighth. Kenny Wallace is some fifty in the fifty-three fifty nine laps down in the thirty ninth position and only Chad little is in the garage. He went out after an accident at lap number thirty eight only two cautions of slow the event and at this point the average speed still just pretty close to the record pace anyway hundred six point old four three miles an hour this this mid race update sponsored by Sports Image Nascar fans knew Dale earnhardt collectible die cast pieces are available sports each Dale earnhardt signature series from action racing acing collectibles featuring a pit wag bank a duly and show car trailer as well as an exact replica of the teams transporter limited edition production makes it a true collectible Sequoia Sports Image Today for Information at eight hundred three four two seven six one two big break away at the front of the field for the top three cars right now as Ernie urban is really worked at it all night long finally gets himself at the Front of the Field Jeff Gordon. Maybe five or six CARLING's behind you about an equal distance back today Jarrett then. It's a long ways back to the fourth place as car right now. Johnny Benson is a string out a bit off turn to back into fifth position now longest. We're actually tearing the body back to the six. Try to close in and take the fifth spot. Jeff Burton has that position now at about ten or so. That's about the closest thing to a battle scars working their way off of turn number four and fairly well spread outage. Joe Said for now farther back. Rusty Wallace has derek closing in on him and a great run for Derek Cope Barney on the lead lap started back in the eighteenth position right now he is so running in the eighth spot and I think and I kinda hate the phrase it this way but I will be frank about a justice importantly. We're nearing the finish and he's still running because that has been that teams teams hang up. This year is getting to the finish races when they've been on the track. They've been running. They just haven't been around for the checkered flag enough to shoot them. They've had some good solid runs and a chance maybe to win the race at Pocono and they had some the problems up there earlier in the season but for the most part that is turned into a real solid race team. They just needs some good luck as you said the Post top-five finishes. Let's go to pit road. Drivers Roberson brought his car behind the pit was Joe Nemechek. You're on the garage. So what's the problem. We're not really sure something happened either. Drink jammed your the the transmission or the rear end. Not Minute drive line broke all of a sudden. He wrote his car into the garage under power with some eight approve remembers pushing the his car in he started six under the winning one or two like when we're done might be the lowest attrition rate we have seen here in Richmond and a long long time user. There's is at least somewhere between five and seven cars that will be in the garage area before the night is over now. The night is not over and neither is a race right now so but hopefully we'll only have a couple in there just like we right now three hundred and fourteen laps on the scoreboard distance going trouble off turn number four and Jimmy Spencer loops her around goes all the way round at the bottom of the racetrack gets out on the grass keeps it in a straight line and they're taking a look at it doesn't appear to put anything on the racetrack so we're going to stay under green. Spencer took quieter ride off turn. Four car just came around on him coming up off the corner body. That's let's try to happen on him a couple of times earlier tonight and he's done a good job of kind of catching up to the back end and keep it underneath and this time it got away though Spencer continues on he will lose another lap as race leader. Ernie urban goes by him. Jimmy Spencer the back up to speed and we stay under green lap three sixteen on the board now as urban leads down toward turn number the leaders in single file formation. We'll look back on Derek. copen Rusty Wallace tried to work their way around Ken Traders car while they race position. They're headed now to turn one. That's the race for the seven spot assessment pretty good. Derek Cohen take a couple of stabs at getting underneath Rusty Wallace. This type can't do anything rusty and he both work. It's traffic. He'll sweep down the inside sided. Get by straighter now got to go at it has been one of the big surprises of an item Rusty Wallace. You almost knew he was going to be up there running in the top three anybody yet before the night is is over but for the moment not the case three hundred and seventeen laps are complete in the Miller four hundred changes for position on the lead lap cars tearing the body has gotten around Jeff Burton for the fifth position and Derek Cope has moved around Rusty Wallace and taking the seven spot away all this going on a good distance behind a three-car breakaway for the lead with Ernie Bourbon Jeff Gordon and Dale Jarrett pulling away from fourth place Johnny Benson Lap Three Twenty one complete now out of four hundred from the Richmond International raceway this rn Radio Geico back at Richmond now closing in on the finish of the Miller four hundred seventy six laps to go for Ernie Irvan out in front took the lead away from Jeff Gordon flat number three zero. One Gordon is hanging white with him just a car length office back bumper only another five car lengths back to third-placed Dale Jarrett. Let's pause ten seconds for station identification on M. R. N. radio the Voice of Nascar racing the Miller four hundred live from Richmond International Raceway in Virginia on motor racing network glad you joined us tonight. Allan Beswick Ripon Hall Joe more on the backstretch. Jim Phillips Winston Kelly and Mike Bagley in the pit garage is the first half of the race was the Jeff Jeff Show Jeff Jeff Gordon and Jeff Burton swapping the lead back and forth than Gordon kind of pulled away to dominate the third quarter of the event now Ernie Irvan who took over after a series of pitstops and urban is out in front of Jeff Gordon but as we say Barney he's not gotten away and in fact Gordon appears to a close back in they have the better handling car at this point what Jeff's trying and do in case this thing stays green and they all have to stretch it out there and go the full distance on this set of tires and tank a fuel he tr- he probably will be trying to get around Ernie urban. It's a little bit easier to be in front and whole somebody off than it is to pass him a little bit later in the race. You Hurt Ray Abraham Tail. Jim Phillips a little bit earlier that the longer they go the more they're going to skate around that racetrack. He's closed in within a half the carling but that's about as close as you can get for the moment. Dale Jarrett to is beginning to tighten it up as the front three now have only a couple of carling separation between them as as they work off tournament too and very shortly. They're going to catch the whole tail into the field clear race track white. Now is GonNa make a fool. You'd think maybe they would do it now. Because then another of any five labs they're going to catch a big packet traffic at the tail end of the field others of notable mentioned. We talked about Derek Copa shortwhile ago. Bobby Hamilton is hanging in there on the lead. LAPS got the tea. AP Pontiac in the eleven position and he is the last car on the lead lap. Though it's good ways before the leaders will catch him to put him a lap down so bobby having a solid run tonight body the body still on the lead lap in the tenth. Position haven't said a whole lot about mark. Martin were Rusty Wallace in quite a long wild party and you talked to a couple of moments ago about expecting all of us expecting rusty to be a threat to win this race having won this event three of the last four years. He hasn't been hurt for a much tonight. After the first couple of laps. Mark really hasn't been a factor in the race yet either though again he is is one of only a dozen cars eleven cars that are still on the same lap with the leaders. Let's get an update on arrest his pit. Jim Phillips has been down there Jim. What's the story when I drive vivid. Nothing is wrong wrong wrong wrong fixed rate your midnight night fighter. This is a different car. It's not suiting rusty here at risk is also doubted Marquardt bit with Steve. I know we're GONNA START DRESS activities about nine hundred thirty and without real retire backstage within an all day right now. They're still getting out. We're just a little bit off on the set of get a feel for those guys will get better too often. They will be left the store to see real mark Martin Raju and again. We need to give a call Johnny Benson. He has really hung in their head. One of the best runs that he is his head. Cartman solid all night long. He didn't do it on pit work and everything else. Although they've had some good stops he's done it but just having a good handling racecar out there and hanging right up there in the thick of things now. The elite goes off turn number two and very shortly within a lap. He's going to be in very heavy traffic there over three cubs down the facts about five products behind pack of probably six. Maybe maybe seven cars some of those races side by side and of course what he's got to worry about the fact that Jeff Gordon and Dale Taryn closing in on him. Tell US Johnny Benson Terry the body are beginning pretty close in on them as well the whole front five beginning to tighten up and now that traffic begins to present itself in front of the leader Ernie Irvan start selecting the lane. He's GonNa use the ORCS his way off to its down hlavac straightaway. Dave Todd Bodine Lake speed bobby held all directly ahead of the race leaders and they've got sixty five laps to get it all settled here in the Miller. Four one hundred has a leader buyers in on the tail end of the field going down into Turner one. That's going to let them tighten up. Even more on Ernie urban who is a leader for the moment Ernie Catches Day Marcus Marcus. He's going to have to go around the outside of turn to outside. Lane gets up alongside. Thank Baucus here comes jeff north also falling behind the tire tracks. Ernie irvan blazed blazed trail the outside lane to pass Martin's urban works his way around the outside of Marcus's Chevrolet now the next car in front of embracing side-by-side our lake speed and Bobby Lobby Hillen those driver's wheel the wheel in front of urban urban chart and look to see which is going to open up once it comes off number two those two cars still racing side by side coming back to turn three. He'll still in the outside lane and Herbert can't go anywhere and if this race stays Green Bay who has the least skating around on the racetrack is a tires. Here's where down for the front runners they all back into number two and again there at the tail end of the feel their double wide ahead of the leader this time off the number.