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A highlight from Two Waterslides
"Water slides have been a staple at amusement parks dating all the way back to the early 1900s. The very first ever known water slide is from our trans tasman neighbors, New Zealand. At the 1906 international exhibition, a newly built water shoot was on display. Reports say thrill seekers were put into custom made boats built specifically for the new ride and then slid down into a Lake, where they would subsequently skip across the surface of the water for a few seconds. In 1923, water slides made it to the U.S. thanks to a gentleman called Herbert Selma. He designed a similar ride to the New Zealand ride with water toboggans. These would slide down a large incline and skim across bodies of water. According to U.S. patent services, these toboggans could travel over 100 feet, but it wasn't until 1977 when George Malay, the founder of SeaWorld, opened the world's first official water pack. This park had several water based rides that many considered to be the birth of the modern water slide. But it's not just theme parks where you'll find water slides, they're in public pools, hotels, cruise ships, and even in people's backyards. Some slides are bought from a store for as little as $20, and some are homemade by nifty thrill seekers. When you think about it, water slides are a constant point of transition for young people. How many kids share fond summer memories of running the garden hose over a tarpaulin in the backyard and taking running slides until they torn up half of the lawn. Many children would have looked forward to the day when they were tall enough to throw themselves down the slides at the water park. Even once they had graduated to wet N wild or sea world, or whichever major water park holds a fond place in their memories, there was a progression of growing in height, courage and fearlessness, which opened access to taller rougher and faster slides. Was it possible that such a sense of destiny was on the minds of NEPA high's class of 1997 as they came to water world USA in Concord California on June 2nd for their celebratory end of school field trip. The annual trip was a staple for every graduating Napa class. 1997 was the first year, however, that the trip was made to Concord. Previous yeast classes had made their trip to another water park in mantega. It was at this park that a student tradition had been born and essential group activity on every trip. A marker of the school group's passage through the American education system. A Rite of passage, if you will, like hold it, clogging. This is how clogging works. The first student would take off down the slide, pass the first turn, so it was just to be out of sight of the staff member supervising at the top. They would then stick their arms and legs out to the walls of the fiberglass and bring themselves to a complete stop, far from the pool at the bottom. Then the attendant at the top assuming that the rider had enjoyed their trip to the bottom, would then give the go ahead to the next student who would take off down the slide and let themselves drink just around the first bend again where they would encounter their classmate and likewise bring themselves to a halt at the same spot and wait. The whole class would keep this up until the first rider couldn't hold on or the attendant wise up and stop the party. At this point the whole group would let go and slide and tumble to the pool at the bottom in an unstoppable tangle of bodies. He is Napa high student Chris. Didn't matter who you're sitting next to you on the slide. You could, you know, you see an extra one you've seen in the hall once, and you look at each other and you have the best time. In the pool, they would fall on top of one another and trample over each other to get to their feet again. There were a few scrapes and bruises, one or two more riders, waterlogged and the rest. No doubt some very unimpressed waterpark stuff, but a class memory to treasure for a lifetime. This was surely on the minds of the students of NEPA hi's class of 1997 as they ascended the steps of the bonsai pipeline. But this year they wanted to give the tradition a twist. Like most young people, these dunes were possessed with the drive to prove that they could rise to greater heights than those who had come before them. So the challenge this year was not just to uphold the school tradition at this brand new venue, but to our due previous efforts by building up the biggest clog in history. There you go. 70 students. Beat that class of 1998. So the class of 1997 waited until near the end of the day. They weren't fools. Well aware that their stunt would likely see them ejected from the park, they had determined that this would be their last hurrah. In the minutes before the students were due to return to their buses, the word was spread quietly. It's happening now. The entire class began scaling a 40 foot tower. The line was so long that less than half the students could actually wait at the top. The rest was stationed, waiting on the staircase for their turn. Witnesses lightest suggested that students pushed their way past the guard on duty. Laughing as they took off down the slide in groups of three or four. A manager of the park interviewed light has said simply our God couldn't control it. Into the banzai pipeline went the class of 1997. Building the clog that would cement their place in Napa high history. 70 students was the record setting goal. In went 5, ten. 15. 20. The students inside the pipeline could not hear the cracking, but the staff underneath could. The lifeguard blew their whistle and frantically roared at the students to let go. 5 more push pass 25 now. 30. Lifeguards and security rushed to the bonsai knowing that disaster was imminent. Three more students joined the clog. Then the water slide collapsed. NEPA high student Megan wasn't on the slide, but she can recall hearing the cracking. I knew what happened. It doesn't go away. It's not something that you forget. I mean, I can hear it in my sleep, I can hear it. The section of
A highlight from 49 - Chris Moore and K9 Ziko Capture Capital Murder Suspect and Save a Life
"Chris Moore talks about how he and his canine partner Zika were part of an operation to capture a capital murder suspect. So the cousin is in on this at this point? Yes. They just don't want him to die. So they want him to be taken in the 'cause they don't want him to die. During the brief, I voiced my objections. I'm like, hey, this guy has already killed multiple people. And we're going to go into a public area, right? In a large parking lot, this is not going to end well. Anyway, it is what it is because that's where they had set it up to the family. So we ended up having to roll with it. This guy, they pull up, they got eyes on him, and I'm staged off in the back of the parking lot, kind of discreetly. Normally I get Zika out of the car door, but in this case, I opened the center partition in my car and I just grabbed him from my car and he exits the patrol my door with me. Anyway, so the guy pulls in, they get out, and they start walking. Well, he, you know, his Spidey senses or he's nervous or whatever, and he's looking around in his real nervous. So he sees what we call the contact team approaching. Welcome to game of crimes.
A highlight from Episode 211
"We live in a materialistic society. We buy stuff. We collect stuff we hoard stuff. We pile up stuff. And then we have to rent space to put all the stuff in. Have you seen those massive temporary storage facilities that are popping up all over the country? They're in every major city. Here's a place to store all your stuff. There's TV shows about it even. Storage wars has been on the air for like a decade. It's a show about these hustlers bidding on the contents of abandoned storage units. Sight unseen. It's a great show. I'd watch all the time. In the U.S., people put a lot of value on their stuff. Even when their stuff is crap, thing is, the law doesn't value your stuff quite as much as you might. And if you decide to take the law into your own hands and go ahead and protect your stuff, you don't want anybody to come near it. You don't want anybody to touch it. Well then, you might find yourself. In the end, without any stuff at all. John was a helpful guy. All he wanted to do accomplish on August 4th, 2020, was a good deed. As a mechanic, he knew that he could help out his friend. Jim gruttner and his daughter Rebecca, by installing a new radiator in the Chevy Tahoe she needed to return to her friend. It was a pleasant day in OshKosh, Wisconsin, on Minnesota street. The neighborhood consisted of small middle class homes. Many of them built in a Cape Cod or bungalow style. Rebecca's home was a typical example of these. She shared a driveway with her next door neighbor, only her driveway extended about 50 feet further, coming to a stop at her open garage. As family friend John was repairing the Tahoe, Jim and Rebecca watched and helped while they were all conversing and enjoying music. Rebecca's close neighbor who was quarantined due to COVID exposure, just happened to see what was happening. She heard something annoying that would later become startling. Hopping noises, whatever at the time that word fireworks and rapid successions pop it. What I would say at least two or three. So the two windows that look into the driveways with my bedroom and I've been laying in bed. Rolled out of bed and whipped a window while the curtain and then the window opened on the back of the house where both of our driveways were they separated again. At that time, I thought it was fireworks, so I was looking for the lighting off fireworks. They knock it off. They didn't see anything on their motioning or anything. It was something that wasn't happening in my driveway. I'm blind. We've all been there, right? You're just trying to take a little nap in the neighbors or barbecuing or partying or having a yard sale or getting shot. Oh my God. Oh my God. When a bigger 9-1-1, Cory. Hardy, you gotta get this 17? 20 1300 bucks of this one street right now is the people shot shot here. A guy just walked in my house. He's bleeding. Whatever. 1700 block of Minnesota street Nash gotcha. Okay, is he in a house there? He was he just left me. He's bleeding. And he's got blood in my host. Okay. All right, so if somebody has been shot, you said? There's other people here just come here. Just don't ask questions. What house are we responding? I'm going to start trying to be 13 shoulder streets. You've given me three different addresses now, which one? I don't know if these are my neighbors that have been shot here. I'm going to hang up. Okay, I don't want you to hang up. I want you to stay on the phone with me. What exactly is going on there? Who has been shot? Sure. You don't understand. There's some people. There's our neighbors. I don't know. I'm just kidding. John Miller's been shot. I don't know what my neighbors. He just came over here. It's funny how hard it is to say, sir, police are on their way as fast as they can get there. But in the meantime, I need you to tell me what's going on. Some people are just really bad communicators, or just really bad at their jobs. Clearly the neighbor appearing from her bedroom window was not the only one to be annoyed or startled. Not only did the 9-1-1 call are complain about John getting blood all over his house, but he was also clearly frustrated by the 9-1-1 operators constant questions. But hey, it's not every day someone comes to your door in a bloody panic. Okay, well, I have officers headed over there, but I just want to figure out what exactly is going on, how many times what's going on, I just got guys just walk through my house, bring this one shot and pull me to come and call her handlers. Call 9-1-1. So you don't know who the person is that did this? No. No, no, no. Watching TV in my house. And the guy just came out of my house. That's okay. All right. Why are you in shock? It won't have to die for us to answer the shot and say, what? Okay, what address is the person who's injured at? Do we know? I don't know the address. Okay, well, the officers are always fine. Next time, they're fine, they're fine, they're fine, they're fine. It's fine, fine. Okay. All right. I have them on the way over there. Do you know what the suspect or anybody or anything looks like? No. Okay. I'm going to have to hang up now. Goodbye. Also, I got to say this. Some people are just not good at handling crisis. Take a Xanax and chill dude. Maybe get yourself some of that new legal CBD everybody's talking about these days. I don't know. Thanks to his heroics, though, John convinced the man to call 9-1-1 and help was on the way. What they were unprepared for was the carnage that awaited them back at Rebecca's garage. It was about 8 30 last night when one resident on Minnesota street heard three consecutive pops before hearing a man yelling for help in his driveway. Another tells us she thought the popping was just fireworks. This was the neighbor who was looking from her bedroom window. And there was another piece of information she had for the police. She saw the man do the shooting. And he was someone that they all knew. That man, she saw in her neighbor's backyard, has now been identified as Josh Ade. Authorities believe he shot three people behind this home last night. The one victim, a 59 year old man, was dead at the scene. Another man identified only as a 57 year old, as well as the 33 year old woman who lived in the home, were injured. They're both in stable condition at a local hospital. Police who continued investigating the shooting today did not release a motive for the attack, but they did tell us the victims all knew the suspect. We also learned the suspect Josh aid was arrested hours after the
A highlight from Ep 13 of 15: Similarity
"Of the hundreds of statements uttered in this case, there are two that have caused me to rack my brain every time I think about them. And both came from 16 year old Patrick skinner during the first 48 hours of the investigation. On July 9th, less than a day after John was found. Patrick told detectives that when he picked up John's revolver at the crime scene, he unloaded it and saw that there were 6 unfired rounds inside of the cylinder. This gave him a little bit of comfort because he knew that the absence of an empty casing meant it hadn't been shot. Here's Patrick reiterating that in our recent interview. I pick it up and as a little 22 revolver. I remember pulling up in the wholesaler falling out of it and putting it back together. Did bullets come out? They did. And that's part of my memory that I I didn't think at the time it had been fired based on what fell out in my hand. I still don't know that I ever heard from the detectives whether or not that was, it was fired because I could just had not been fired. So it was a 6 shot, so 6 unfired bullets should have fallen out if it wasn't fired. 5 full bullets. One casing. Should have fallen out if it was fired. Right. And I don't remember seeing an empty casing. It was only after Patrick found out that John had been shot that he realized 6 live rounds being in John's gun didn't make sense. But still, he was sure of what he saw. When pat straighter was interviewed immediately following investigators chat with Patrick, she also remarked that when her and Patrick found John's gun at the scene, they determined based on the rounds inside of it that it had not been fired. Which was one of her reasons for taking it from the scene because she thought the fact that it was still fully loaded meant it likely wasn't involved in John's death. Here's pat during her July 9th, 2003 interview with detective Kim Lewis. I asked him to check to see if there's any if he could tell if there was a what would you say if there's an if there's any empty casings in the gun as if it had been fired? Yes. Yes. Because that was my concern. Yes. And what happened? He had to work with it to get it where he could. And he told me none had been fired. The second statement Patrick made that has always puzzled me, came out during his second interview with investigators. He told detectives that there may have been more than one gun like John's around. It was a short remark but a statement that clearly suggested Patrick knew there was another 22 revolver at the southeast hansel property that looked a lot like John's. For some reason, though, investigators never asked Patrick to elaborate on what he meant by the remark. But I've looked into what he might have been referring to and what I found is pretty jaw dropping. Thanks to a crop of public records that the Florida department of law enforcement took 7 months to turn around for me. I can say with certainty that there were two identical Ruger 6 shot single action revolvers present on the straighter property on the day John died. One was John's and one belonged to his step grandfather, Mel senior, who died of a heart attack in June 2003. For a long time in my investigation, I was forced to read between the lines of documents from DeSoto county sheriff's office that were heavily redacted. I'd seen several references made about a 22 revolver, but because there were so many chunks of text missing, it was hard to know who was talking about this gun. If they were saying it was John's or another firearm or what? So many black lines on the pages made the information muddy and difficult to decipher. But then, FDLE fulfilled my request for special agent Jonathan smith's reports from 2003, and bingo. Everything I needed to see was spelled out clear as crystal in those documents because they were unredacted. What I learned is that there were more than a dozen guns in storage inside the straighter home on July 8th. One of which was a Ruger 22 6 shot revolver that had belonged to Mel senior. There were also roughly ten to 12 rifles and two or three shotguns in the house. According to a statement from skip, all of those guns were kept in a safe in a hallway closet that John did not have access to. Matt, John's older brother had a key to at least 6 locks that secured that safe and skip indicated he had a way in as well. During his two interviews with law enforcement on July 18th and September 5th of 2003, Matt explained more about this safe and went into detail about Mel senior's revolver. A report that details Matt's statements says, quote, the 22 Ruger that John owned was identical to their grandfather Melvin Eugene straighter seniors revolver, which was usually kept on top of the refrigerator as a vermin gun before Melvin strader's senior's death. Matt went on to explain to police that Mel's seniors Ruger was an older model than Johns, and sometime in the four weeks between when Mel senior died, but before John was killed, Matt had taken it upon himself to remove their grandfather's revolver from the top of the refrigerator and put it in the hallway safe. While transferring the gun, Matt said he checked the cylinder and found 6 unfired 17 caliber red tipped Hornaday bullets in it. He told investigators he'd never seen those brand of bullets before, and as a precaution took them out of the gun and put them in a drawer in a safe. But just let me stop right there for a second because when I compared the two statements, Matt gave to police. I found a pretty big contradiction. When Matt first spoke with FDLE and DeSoto county sheriff's office in July of O three, he stated that he knew his grandfather kept a box of 17 caliber red tipped Hornaday ammunition. He specifically told investigators that those bullets had traditionally been stored in a glove box of the diesel truck that Mel drove when he was alive. But in Matt's second statement, taken two months later, Matt stated he'd never seen those kinds of bullets before. So why did he go from admitting he knew about them and where they were stored to denying their existence altogether? The origin of where the 17 caliber undersized ammunition came from is something I wanted to pin down because Matt going back and forth about that specific detail seems odd. I don't know for sure when those bullets came into the picture for all I know, Mel senior could have bought them months before he died, but what I do know is that Matt saying he never knew about them during his second interview with police, is just not true. Mack wells knew his sons knew about those bullets.
A highlight from Ep 15 of 15: Serious
"As best as we can when we come back in a few weeks with a bonus episode. But for now, here's episode 15 serious. On Wednesday, August 4th, 2021, the Florida medical examiner's commission met in person. A rarity considering the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on in person gatherings. The meeting marked the commission's official third quarter board meeting, and it was open to the public. It took place inside a grand ballroom at the Waldorf Astoria resort in Orlando, Florida. Yep, right in the heart of the happiest place on earth. Disney World. Which I have to say was kind of ironic considering the room was crowded with dozens of medical examiners and FDLE agents who are employed in probably the most unhappy line of work. Anyway, I was the only journalist in attendance, and just one of three people who'd signed up to speak during the public comment. I could tell from the moment I entered the ballroom, I stood out. Based on the conversations and idle chat are going on around me, it felt like everyone knew each other, and the 9 board members who were lingering around their chairs arranged in a panel lined up at the front of the room. All gave me glancing looks as if to say, who's that? And why does she have a recorder? I'd be willing to bet money that this group had probably never had a reporter show up to one of their quarterly meetings. Let alone an investigative journalist working on a podcast. Two days earlier, I'd emailed and spoken on the phone with a man named Chad Lucas, who coordinates the MEC's quarterly meetings. I told Chad that I would be using my 5 minutes during public comment to request that the board review the actions of doctor Russell Vega in the John wells case. I'd also be requesting the board get to the bottom of why the 12th district had such an unusually large number of undetermined death rulings in 2017. Chad communicated my information to the board members prior to the meeting and supplied them with all of the documents on the case that I'd sent in an organized packet. Write at 10 o'clock in the morning, the chairman
A highlight from S2 Ep6: A Decade of Terror: Village of the Damned Part 1
"Is violence? Contagious? Welcome to strange and unexplained with me, daisy Egan. I'm a writer and an actor who I'm not gonna lie, looked up real estate prices in the town I'm gonna cover in the next two episodes because sure, the town experienced a string of nightmarish deaths that led residents to wonder if it was hexed, but surely that would drive home prices down. Turns out, though, with everything that happened in the town of dryden, New York, for one horrific decade between 1989 and 1999, even this hardened cynic is like, I may be desperate to buy a house, but not desperate enough to live in the village of the damned. No offense to anyone who lives there, you're clearly made of heartier stuff than I. And a quick warning before we dig in, what lies ahead are mentions of some pretty gruesome sexual and physical violence. Take care
A highlight from Ep 7 of 15: Sweetheart
"Shot revolver and a handful of hornady brands 17 caliber bullets that authorities had found in it, and some extras they'd found in a box at pat's house. These bullets had a very distinct red tip on them, and were technically undersized ammunition for John's type of revolver. But they could still be shot out of it. When the sheriff's office had taken possession of the gun and ammo on July 9th, they'd found 5 live rounds inside the cylinder, along with one spent shell casing. In early September, fingerprint analysis results came in, and they showed only one fingerprint was found on John's revolver. Patrick skinners. Now, that didn't come as too much of a surprise because Patrick had already told police that he picked up John's gun at the crime scene. His print was going to be on it. What's interesting is that only Patrick's print was on the gun. Did you find it odd that John's fingerprints weren't on that gun? Absolutely. Why so? Because John's gun. I mean, he takes care of his things, but he doesn't wipe him down every time he touches them. They come out of my possession into their possession. Okay? Obviously they were very careful not to touch any part of the gun. But the skip and pat, I mean. So for it to pass through my hands, skip hands. I don't know if she ever touched it or not. I don't remember. Even though it was in a holster to not have anyone with my fingerprints that's just weird. If someone wiped the gun prior to me getting there is the only way that I can see the only that my parents would be the only ones on the gun. The state at that house that night up until the cops actually went and seized it. John's fingerprint should have at least been on it. Why John's fingerprints weren't on his own gun feel strange to me too. The next finding by the lab had to do with a Coors light beer can from the trash pile that authorities suspected John could have used to smoke cannabis out of in the Woods. Well, their theory about that was off, because testing on that item showed no traces of drugs were present whatsoever. So that put to rest once and for all, law enforcement's initial assumption that John had gone out to the Woods and used the can as a makeshift pipe. The next report from the lab was for swabs of gunshot residue taken from John's body. But for some reason, FDLE declined to run tests on those swabs. Staff stated in their report that because John had been submerged in water after his death, GSR testing wouldn't provide any information of value, so they just didn't even attempt the test and sent back the swabs. On a separate note, nowhere an FDLE reports could I find information about what they found or didn't find in skip's pickup truck. Over a period of weeks stretching from September until December of 2003, results for blood and ballistics tests came in. Staff had spent those months comparing the spent shell casing that was found in John's gun to the bullet found in his head to see if they were a match. Various lab techs had test fired 15 bullets from John's gun, using the 17 caliber ammo they'd seized from pat's house. They wanted to determine if that brand of 17 caliber ammo would even properly fire from John's gun. Like I said before, the 17 caliber ammo was undersized for that make and model of revolver. So it wasn't really meant to be shot from it. Their conclusions were as follows. One. John's gun was functioning properly. Two. There was a high probability that the empty casing found in his revolver was fired in his gun. Three. Because the 17 caliber ammo was undersized and left no rifling characteristics when it exited the barrel. The lab couldn't say with 100% certainty that the bullet retrieved from John's skull, matched that empty casing. The bullet that was found in John's head did not have enough distinguishable microscopic characteristics about it. For the lab to say, yes, it's a 100% a match. The best they could do was say that the spent casing found in the cylinder had likely been fired by John's gun. As far as whether the discharge bullet matched that was unknowable. The fourth thing the lab concluded was that John's particular model of Ruger evolver had a distinct safety mechanism in it that prevented it from firing accidentally. Even if it was cocked and loaded. It had what's called a transfer plate between the hammer of the gun and the firing pin. That transfer plate only moved into place to complete the chain reaction of firing the gun if the trigger was pulled. So in essence, the revolver could be loaded and cocked, but unless someone applied enough pressure and pulled the trigger, it wouldn't go off. This was a really important point because it was the lab's way of saying, hey, the ballistics on this gun show it would be extremely difficult to override this safety mechanism. So it's pretty clear someone else shot this kid. What most supported that conclusion were additional ballistics tests. Lab techs didn't do traditional GSR testing on John's skin. But they did visually inspect his boots jeans and socks for the presence of microscopic burns or gunshot residue. But they didn't find any. The lab determined after test firing John's gun from several distances that traces of burned black vapor residues from the gunpowder could have traveled as far as two feet away from the end of the barrel. Unburned particles of gunpowder traveled as far as 6 feet from the end of the muzzle. So that meant the gun was fired at least several feet away from John at the time it discharged. Otherwise, they would have found traces of gunpowder on his clothing and shoes. The next round of forensic results came in about a week before Christmas in 2003. These results were analyzing which items of evidence showed the presence of blood. According to FDLE report, small traces of John's blood were found on the barrel of his gun. One of his belts, the thigh strap, the Coors light can and on several spots on the four Wheeler. Specifically, there were specks of his blood on the ATV's right side fender mudflap, the center console, and right clutch handle and brake lever. Authorities believe that blood evidence proved John had been shot in close proximity to the four Wheeler. If not sitting on it when he was killed. The cylinder of the revolver, the gun holster, the towel pat wrapped it in, another one of John's belts, and olive skips clothing, along with pat's white tennis shoes, did not have John's blood on them. For some reason, though, FDLE wrote in their report that they did not perform blood tests on the red stained plastic wrap and clump of sand from the crime scene. They also didn't swab the trash trailer for anything. Tex also didn't test several hairs they'd found on skip socks, jeans, and John's clothing. They never provided an explanation as to why none of these items were examined for traces of blood. But the red stained sand and plastic wrap seem like pretty significant items of evidence to me. Unfortunately, as 2003 came to a close, the forensic results had left investigators no closer to making an arrest. While they'd been waiting for results to come in, DeSoto county detectives had tried once to get the state attorney's office to consider bringing charges in the case. In fact, according to paperwork, dcso wanted to arrest pat and skip for evidence tampering in hopes of getting them to crack. But the state attorney's office was like no way, and they declined to press charges. Instead, they told authorities to wait. And detectives took that advice and waited. After the disappointing results from the first round of forensic tests, the department sent off all of their items for additional DNA testing. But those results were expected to take anywhere from 6 months to a year to complete. You've got to remember, this is 2003 we're talking about. The infancy of DNA analysis for labs. In the meantime, detectives had to move on. They wrote in their reports that the circumstantial evidence they'd gathered so far pointed to skip being the best man for the crime, and possibly pat was involved too. Something that bolstered their belief was information they learned after two interesting conversations with skip's girlfriend in August of 2003. And Matt wells,
A highlight from Ep 11 of 15: Switch
"Plus. This is episode 11, switch. In November 2007, four and a half years after John wells was killed. The Florida department of law enforcement crime lab, packaged up all of the evidence related to the case and sent it back to DeSoto county sheriff's office for storage. The stuff in the box is in bags included John's Ruger revolver, DNA extracts from previous testing done in 2004. The unfired 17 caliber bullets, the wood spent shell casing, the holster, the belts, and all the other stuff that investigators had taken or swabbed from the crime scene or suspects. Around that same time, the wrongful death lawsuit Helen had filed against pat and skip was in full swing. With the exception that skip was no longer named in it because he died of a heart attack shortly after it was filed. So that left pat and Helen to duke it out in court. Over $15,000 in damages that Helen wanted. That legal fight would still be a few years from resolution, which meant DCS O detective Kurt maize still couldn't get access to pad, a suspect who had never fallen off his radar. Kurt was left with really only one option to continue submitting case evidence to forensic labs hoping new advances in technology would provide him with more clues. And because FDLE had sent everything back to DeSoto county, Kirk could easily get items of evidence to labs for further testing. But he didn't do that right away. Instead, he waited two more years. In December 2009, Kurt sent John's revolver to DNA labs international, a private forensics lab in Deerfield Beach, Florida, about a three hour drive from Arcadia. The lab was asked to perform touch DNA extraction from the grip of John's gun, and the cylinder. Areas that a person holding it would have had to press their skin close to if they fired it. Those little nooks and crannies could have held traces of DNA that prior tests had been unable to pick up. People say touch DNA and air quotes, a lot of times, like it's not real, but it is real. We've been testing it. We've been getting touch DNA results for the past 16 years. That's Allison noons, chief operating officer of DNA labs international. What I called to ask if she'd be willing to talk about her company's work on the John wells case. She agreed, with the exception that we talk in generalities, not case specific details. She also invited her director of research and quality assurance, Rachel a fly to join us. The lab has a policy of not disclosing information about specific cases they've worked on. Unless the investigation into those crimes has been resolved in the courts. From reading through the case file, I knew that by early 2010, DNA labs international had been unsuccessful in retrieving DNA from John's revolver, despite their best efforts. According to a report submitted to dcso on January 12th, 2010, lab techs with DNA labs international said they didn't find any DNA profile on the gun or the cylinder after running multiple tests. Allison and Rachel told me that back then, most touch DNA requests that came in were worked as thoroughly as they could be. However, due to technology limitations at the time, DNA extraction was harder to do on a piece of evidence like a firearm that had already gone through fingerprinting several prior rounds of DNA testing by another lab, and then sat in storage for years. Sometimes there's mistakes that are made that could contaminate the evidence so that you can not use it. Sometimes depending on someone might have, they might have lost a chain of custody. At some point, which is detrimental to the case, if you're ever going to go to court. So there's this various challenges when it goes from lab to lab, but there's so many things we can do now that it's common to see that. I'll get into those things that Allison just mentioned they can do now in a future episode. But for the time being, back in 2010, DNA labs international being unable to find any genetic profiles on the grip or cylinder of John's revolver, left Kurt Mays with yet another dead end. He'd taken his shot in the dark and got nothing in return. To add insult to injury, Kurt spent months spinning his wheels investigating a tip from a prison inmate in the Florida Panhandle named Richard estes. Richard claimed to have knowledge about John's murder. Richard's story was that he'd been at a party in a motel in Arcadia in 2007, and overheard a person talking about the murder. But he refused to provide authorities with the name of the alleged killer until he got a reduced sentence. Kurt eventually determined Richard's story wasn't credible. In early 2010, pat and Helen's wrongful death lawsuit came to a close, and the judge did not side with Helen. For the rest of 2010 and most of 2011, Kurt tried to talk to pat a few times, but got nowhere. Then he moved on and conducted a few more interviews with John's friends, and even drove to re interview Ralph strader. Pat's brother in law, who law enforcement news skip had called the day John died. According to transcripts from that interview, Ralph told Kurt that he couldn't recall any more, whether or not skip had specifically told him on July 8th that John had been shot. Ralph said, it might have been the day after, or even a few days after, when word got out that the ME had found a bullet in John's head. Ralph told Kurt that his fading memory just wasn't strong enough. And he ended the interview saying, regardless of what he remembered or didn't remember, he felt confident that Patton skip were not involved. After that interview, nothing really happened in the case. Until May of 2011, that's when DeSoto county sheriff's office sent John's right boot back to the FDLE lab to have touched DNA extraction done on the heel. If you remember, John's right boot heel had been the only thing not submerged in water when he was found. Law enforcement's theory was that John had been dragged to the water, possibly by his feet with his shoes still on. But unfortunately, no DNA was found on the boot heel. For the next 5 years, nothing happened with the case. It stayed dormant until 2016, when Kurt May's retired, and the investigation got reassigned to a new detective, James curdy, a newcomer to the de Soto county sheriff's office, who'd previously worked for other law enforcement agencies in Southwest Florida. Within a matter of months, James made up his mind as to what he believed really happened to John. According to what he wrote in his reports, James spent the first 6 months of 2016 reviewing the case evidence and re interviewing key witnesses. By the end of his evaluation, James determined that John was responsible for his own death. In a 6 page summary of his findings, James explained that he believed John was carelessly playing with his revolver cocked, while at the trash pile, and it fell out of his hands or out of his holster, which caused it to accidentally discharge several feet from his body. In his opinion, James felt certain that after John's gun went off, the teen didn't realize he'd been shot, and in a disoriented panic from the burning sensation flooding his eye socket, John stumbled off the ATV and crawled roughly 40 feet
A highlight from Ep 8 of 15: Swindled
"In every murder investigation, if you find the answers to a few questions, usually you get a better idea of who could be responsible for the crime. Some of those questions are who had the physical opportunity and capability of committing the act. Who does the evidence point to? And probably the simplest qualifier of all, who had motive. Sometimes people appear to have a ton of motive, but yet they're not the killer. That happens all the time. So everything I'm going to talk about in this episode is not intended to point the finger directly at one person. Instead, I want to factually walk you through what certain individuals could have stood to gain if John wells was no longer alive. A big question I keep coming back to with this case is who in the world would have wanted a 17 year old boy dead. What kind of threat did he pose to anyone? My obvious starting point was to look for life insurance policies that might have been taken out on John prior to his death. If they existed, I needed to find out who would have gotten that money and how much would it have been? Figuring out the answers to those
A highlight from Ep 4 of 15: Skinner
"Hit it off. We rode four wheelers through the neighborhood. I actually probably terrorized a little bit. We went fishing a lot and then Joshua Greek as a matter of fact. This is Patrick skinner today in his mid 30s. He's a husband, a father, and former best friend of John wells. It took me several months of searching to track him down. You'd be surprised how many Patrick scanners there are out there. But I did finally get a hold of him. Patrick moved away from Arcadia several years ago, and hasn't really been back since, but in July of 2003, he knew John wells better than anyone. The pair was together pretty much every day before during and after school. Through high school, we rode to school together. We still went fishing a lot. Went to softball games of his girlfriend was on our softball team after school. And he certainly was not shy. I was more the introvert, I would say, John, he kind of a jokester by the time the boys were both 16, Patrick says he noticed a shift in John's attitude. His friends started standing up for himself more and pushing back against his grandma's House rules. When I first met John, he seemed a bit timid to tell you the truth. He was always scared to deviate, actually think he was under some pretty strict supervision there for a while and he had very strict conditions. I don't want to say that we free roamed, but my step brothers and I we free roamed. We ran wild. John, not at first, no. He seemed to be under his grandmother's thumb a lot and very afraid of consequences or deviating and just doing something a little bit wrong. As we got older, that changed, he kind of come into his own when John turned 17 on May 1st of 2003. He was just one year away from full independence. Patrick says that's when John's desire to leave his complicated family life behind became the strongest it had ever been. According to Patrick, John was increasingly more vocal when he disagreed with his grandmother. Some of his angst even carried over into school where he was put into behavioral reform programs. He wasn't bad. He wasn't violent. He's not a smart ass mouth. That was he had a smart mouth. I do know he wanted to get out. Of Arcadia? Not out of Arcadia specifically out of the House he was living in. He just wanted out of that. There were just some strict rules there. I mean, I think it was kind of rough for him, and I don't know to the extent of how rough, but that was his main goal. He wanted out of that house. Patrick says, whenever John got the chance to be out of his grandma's house, he used cannabis as a way to escape, but that was pretty much it. I never knew of him to be in anything except for a marijuana. As a matter of fact, he really didn't even drink. In the wake of John's death, Patrick was shocked to learn that his friend had other substances in his system. Cocaine was a huge surprise to me. I do know that he hung around some people occasionally that I did not associate with. I could see them being in cocaine, but John, no, I would have never thought. Never seen it, never heard about it. All of these little bits of information that Patrick knew about John were what de Soto county detectives wanted to learn when they had him come in for an interview on July 9th, 2003. The day after John died. This is detective Kim Lewis. It is 1226 p.m., the 9th of July 2003, president is Patrick Christopher skinner. For the rest of this episode, you'll be hearing excerpts of this archive tape mixed with some clips of Patrick's interview with me in present day. The reason for that is because portions of the 2003 interview get very fuzzy and hard to hear. But Patrick's more recent interview with me will help fill in those gaps. Patrick was only 16 when police first interviewed him, so his mother Lisa, accompanied him while he spoke with investigators at the DeSoto county sheriff's office. The conversation took place about a half hour before authorities got pat straight into the station for her first interview. You heard parts of her conversation with detective Kim Lewis in a last episode. When Kim Lewis first sat down with Patrick, John had been dead for less than a day, and Patrick had no idea how his best friend had actually died. So walking into the sheriff's office, Patrick was unaware of what authorities knew at that time, which was that John had been shot. And just to clarify here, according to reports, all of the law enforcement investigators who were involved up until that point knew John had been shot, but detective Kim Lewis had not yet learned the information that a gun had been found at the scene and then removed. Only the sheriff and his chief deputy knew about that. So when Patrick told Kim this. The first place I go is over to a four Wheeler. About two feet away from the borrower. With John Gunn is a little 6 shot revolver is 22 Magnum. That got a wild reaction. They all jumped up. And it was like I set a fire under everyone. And people were screaming to other people, phones were getting picked up, and at that point I asked him how did he die and she said he was shot. And that was the first time I actually found out that he was shot. Once Kim Lewis got the part of Patrick's story about finding a gun at the scene, confirmed on the record. She started questioning him about what specifically happened after he picked up the gun. Here's his response from his 2003 interview. It was dropped in the dirt. And John just doesn't leave a guy laying in the dirt, so I thought something was wrong. I think, you know, I have all these shells on my hands deep in fire. All the shells were not meant to be fired. Miss Jade, or saw me do this. Sure, there were 6 live rounds in the gun. Sure. Did you see them? Yes. They would probably go over 22 shells, but they had a sharp red point on them. Is that what you dumped out of the gun? Yes. We're all 6 of them. Red tipped. Are you confident that all 6 were identical nerves? I found his belt, probably 12 feet away from the gun. And then skip down his holster in the middle of development gun. So he'd have it on the holster. I put the gun in the holster, took it back and put the whole circle up on my pocket. I put the dough in the explorer. I walked over to the water, looked down in the water. And I saw John, when the water. I would just go. I made a hand motion for him to come over. I didn't want mister Steve. He'd come over, look, dean said, that's just a drum in the water. But mister was already walking over there and saw him. She just flipped out, skip asked me if I could drive him all back. So he got in the explorer. We drove back up to the house. I put the gun in the back seat. That's it. Kim was puzzled by Patrick's version of events. If he was sure that John's revolver was fully loaded with 6 unfired bullets in it when he picked it up. That meant it couldn't have been the gun that shot John, accidental or not. Just based on what I've read in police reports and heard in the tone of Kim's voice during the interview, it felt like Kim believed one of two things. One. 16 year old Patrick was misremembering, or two, he was lying and was involved much more than he was letting on. To shake him up, Kim confronted Patrick head on. That part of the audio recording from 2003 is really fuzzy. So here's
A highlight from Ep 1 of 15: Southeast Hansel
"Four is to explain how the name John wells came across my radar. I was with some family friends writing a dirt bike deep in the Woods of Arcadia, Florida. After we got done whipping through the mud and mosquitos behind their farm, we sat down to eat dinner. And that's when one of them casually mentioned that I should look into a weird death that happened on a creek near their property back in 2003, several years before they even built their home. This kind of suggestion is one I get often. A lot of people mention in passing that I should investigate this death or that death because of what I do for a living. I usually say something like, thanks, I'll look into it, or sounds interesting. Anyone you know willing to talk? And that's where the proposal usually fades into other conversations. But this particular night, with this particular suggestion, it was different. John wells was different. The biggest detail that piqued my curiosity about his case was the fact that he was only 17 years old when he died. What was also intriguing to me was the fact that he was found on his own family's property. All alone, face down in a creek, just like the ones I'd been riding a dirt bike through a few hours earlier. After I left our Friends, I immediately Googled the name John wells, and nothing came up, which I thought was kind of strange. It was like he'd been totally forgotten, despite suffering what was described to me as a terrible death. Now, for most people, not finding anything in an online search means maybe there's just nothing there. But not for an investigative reporter like me. I knew that meant John's story more than likely had gone completely untold, and there was probably a lot more information that I knew I needed to find out. So, there you have it. The origin of season four's case. If there's one thing I can tell you, I know now that I didn't know a year ago, it's that the story of John wells is like peering into a kaleidoscope. Every time you look at it and train your focus on what you feel confident is the truth, it changes. The people, the circumstances, everything and everyone involved in this case has a strange way of shifting on you, like the silty soggy bottom of a Florida wetland. There's nothing you can solidly stand on that makes you feel confident. But here's the thing. That's why I'm here. I wasn't prepared for what I was walking into when I first heard the name John wells. I didn't have the luxury of bracing myself, but you do. So, buckle up for the twists and turns that are coming. Audio chuck is releasing season four, just like we did season three as a binge. Because it's vitally important that you listen to this story, all 15 episodes in order all at once right now. So let's turn the clock back 19 years to July 8th, 2003. This is counterclock, season four episode one, southeast hansel. I'm your host,
A highlight from Ep 5 of 15: Skip
"Agents, could it make sense of a lot of the information in the John wells case. But there were a few things they knew for certain. One. John was alive for several hours after he woke up on the morning of Tuesday, July 8th. But dead from a gunshot wound by four 30 p.m. the same day. Two. His grandma, best friend and step uncle, had found a revolver at the scene of his death and hidden it from police. Three. Crime scene texts had collected other pieces of evidence at the scene nearly 24 hours after John was found that indicated foul play. Four. There were traces of drugs in John's system that didn't appear to have anything to do with his death, but were investigated nonetheless. And 5. The investigation had a long way to go. Authorities hope was that the remaining primary witness to the events of John's life on July 8th when enlightened them more. Melvin Eugene strader junior, who was known as skip, was the person investigators wanted to speak with next. Skip was John's step uncle. His father, Mel senior, was the second husband of pat strader, John's biological grandmother. John and skip were not blood related. Investigators brought skip in to the DeSoto county sheriff's office for an interview at two 15 p.m. on July 9th, 2003. Roughly 24 hours after John was killed. A desto county detective named Kurt Mays and an FDLE agent named John Smith conducted the questioning. Due to its age, the quality of the tape recording of this interview isn't very good. The parts you'll hear have been cleaned up and the sections that are inaudible, I'll narrate with direct quotes from transcripts or police reports. One of the first things agent Smith told skip was that investigators had been talking with Patrick and pat, and they would continue to do so to make sure skip story
A highlight from 48 - Randy Thumann and K9 Kolt Seize $100M of Fentanyl
"Randy tooman of the fayette county sheriff's office in Texas talks about that special bond between a handler and their dog. I don't want to say aggressive bomb, but they are the most, they're the dog that bonds. I mean, very strongly with the handler. Is that correct? I mean, I think any good working dog. I mean, as much time you spend with them, they're going to Bond. I mean, once you get that initial Bond, it's hard to explain if you're not a cane on handler. It's like, you know, having a human person that you've worked with for 5 years every day for ten to 12 hours, they can read your mind, you know, they can fill your emotion and it's really it's undescribable, man. Welcome to game of crimes. Hello, It is that time again. We are coming up on episode 48. We are getting close to Cinco sequence episodes. We are coming up on a year or two. We'll be doing a year in June, so guys, everybody. Welcome episode 48 game of crimes. I am your ultimate host, the host with the most and the best here. Morgan Wright here literally with my partner in crime. The guy that has to put up with his crap. Steve Murphy, but call me Murph. Yes, we are legends in our own mind. Former law enforcement former heroes of the universe. That's right. That's those Avengers ain't got nothing on us. I got nothing on us. We got them. We got a hey guys. Well, thank you guys for coming back. We have had let me tell you. Just real quickly before we get into the housekeeping Jerry Clark got a lot of great comments back on jury and I will tell you, part two of Jerry's episode that we did with him was the second most downloaded episode we've ever had. I mean, in terms of numbers, the highest one, obviously, was our kick-off episode with you and JP episode one. But this has been the most downloaded episode since last June 28th. Wow. Wow. Good job, Jerry. I mean, you know, I'm just shocked that I was not aware of that case until my friend Kevin told me about it at the beach. And then read the book and I can't believe I've never heard of this case and then Jerry was just what an excellent person to talk to him and just from the very first time I spoke to him on the phone he was excited and it was a blast. That was a great interview. So thank you to you. I wasn't sure I believed him at the first because any time an FBI agent says that their FBI and humbled in the same sentence, I just didn't. I didn't know it was him or not, but he definitely was. He is such a good guy. And we actually got a lot of comments from people in Ohio. He said, I know this area of Ohio it's great to hear historic people want to hear more. So we will bring him back, but we hope hopefully you guys loved it the pizza bomber case go to pizza bomber dot com and get more information on it. But anyway, before we get into the main part of the episode, just some quick housekeeping, Apple reviews, Spotify, give us those 5 stars, one, two, three, four, 5, just count up to 5, 5 is the magic number, like count count. 5 is the number. The number is 5. Just to help us out, those reviews mean a lot to us.
A highlight from S2 Ep5: An Assassins Escape: What Happened to John Wilkes Booth?
"So, back at Ford's theater on April 14th, 1865, booth just walked right in during the show. He had memorized the play and knew when the big laugh lines would come, which he would use to cover the sound of his gun firing. You know that old joke, other than that, misses Lincoln, how did you like the play? I know, hilarious. Well, considering that the big laugh line booth used as cover was brace yourselves, don't know the manners of good society, eh? Well, I guess I know enough to turn you inside out old gal, you sucked apologizing old man trap? A ha ha, ha ha ha ha, ha ha. Considering that humdinger of a line, I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that Mary Todd Lincoln was like, as if the play wasn't bad enough, I had to watch my husband get murdered during it. After firing the fatal shot, John Wilkes booth leaped from the balcony and landed 11 feet below on the stage of the theater, which was now in complete chaos. Most likely breaking his leg in the process. He yelled sick semper tyrannis, or thus always to tyrants and fled the theater, jumped on his waiting horse and galloped south to Virginia alongside co-conspirator, David herold. En route to Virginia, booth now in acute pain from his probably broken leg, made a quick stop to see doctor Samuel mudd to have his leg set. Doctor mudd had no way of knowing his patient was wanted for the murder of the president of the United States. It's not like he'd gotten an iPhone alert or anything. Regardless, later, once everyone discovered doctor mudd had abetted the man who assassinated Lincoln, albeit without knowing that's what he was doing, his name and his practice were ruined. Apparently, the Hippocratic oath doesn't apply to president murders. Booth, now with a $100,000 bounty on his head, which is nearly $2 million in today money. And Harold, slogged through the forests and swamps to get to Virginia where ten days after shooting the president, they happened upon a farm owned by a man named Richard Garrett, who was in the habit of helping people in need. They told Garrett they were confederate soldiers coming back from war and Garrett's family took the two fugitives in. The question of whether Garrett knew these men were responsible for killing the president is up for debate. He claimed to not even know the president had been killed when the men showed up at his door. And, like, sure, it's not like he could have checked his Twitter feed or whatever, but the day after Lincoln was killed, people clear across the country in California knew it happened. And knew that John Wilkes booth was wanted for it. So it's a little hard to believe this guy, the next state over was completely oblivious ten full days after it happened. Anyway, on April 24th, union soldiers found the men holed up in the barn on Garrett's farm. Harold gave himself up right away, but booth wouldn't come out and was apparently annoyed that the bounty on his head wasn't higher. This fucking guy. So the union soldiers set the barn on fire, hoping to smoke booth out. But before they could even see if that plan would work, all itchy trigger fingers sergeant Boston Corbett shot booth in the neck. The men dragged booth now paralyzed out of the burning barn, and as he lay dying, he said, tell my mother I die for my country. And then he said, useless. Useless, which I assume was what he realized his previous statement had been. Like the union soldiers would go tell the president's assassin's mom that her son was a patriot. I don't think so, sweetie. Whatever he meant, booth's body was taken for his autopsy and then given to his family who buried him in Baltimore, Maryland. The end, case closed, Lincoln's assassin had been caught and killed and the country could now grieve and move on. But was the case really closed? Is it possible that in the fervor and haste of moving on from this national tragedy, the U.S. government got the wrong guy? According to a small but vocal contingent of historians, John Wilkes booth may have gone on to lead a long and full life, hiding in plain sight. Strangers, we have an awesome, brand new sponsor, dormio. The other day I went for a gentle walk around the park and somehow managed to throw my back out. Hashtag old, hashtag creaky. But you don't have to be old and creaky like me to benefit from a premium mattress topper from dormio. For just a fraction of the cost of buying an entire new mattress, you can get a mattress upgrade with a dormio mattress topper. If, like me, you run hot, dormio will help keep you cool and comfy all night. With patented octa spring material that expels hot humid air and pulls in cool, fresh air making it 8 times more breathable than standard memory foam. 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Bates alleged that in 1872 in grandbury, Texas, where he was a practicing attorney, he called on one John saint Helen to testify as a witness for a client he was defending. Rather than testifying saint Helen hired Bates as his attorney and then immediately used client attorney privilege to admit to Bates that he couldn't testify in a federal court because John saint Helen wasn't his real name and testifying would compel him to reveal his true identity. Whether or not Bates was like, then who the fuck are you? I don't know. But it wasn't until 6 years later in 1878, when saint Helen, believing he was about to die from some kind of respiratory illness, confessed to Bates. I am dying. My name is John Wilkes booth. And I am the assassin. Of president Lincoln. Get the picture of myself from under the pillow. I leave it with you for my shit. Future identification. No defy my brother. Edwin booth. I have a New York City. Saint Helen didn't end up dying, though. Oops. Am I right? And, according to Bates, once he had recovered, John saint Helen come John Wilkes booth, regaled him with a tale of treason and intrigue. Bates said that saint Helen confessed that the original plan had been to kidnap Lincoln and hold him for ransom in exchange for captured confederate soldiers. But the war ended before that plan could be enacted, so Andrew Johnson, yes, that Andrew Johnson, the literal vice president of the United States under Abraham Lincoln. Convinced booth to kill the president. How booth and Johnson knew each other I don't know. Maybe that was a perk of being a famous actor back then. Johnson was pro confederate, so maybe they met up at some backroom club for asshole racists.
A highlight from Season 4: The Death of John Welles
"Instead of telling sheriff's office. 9-1-1. I am a problem out here at my house. I need the emergency people of the ambler. A 17 year old boy doing chores on his family's farm, turned up dead, face down in a creek. And near the house, is there anybody there given in CPR or anything? He's been under there a long time for his name, your grandson. John, Robert will. Beneath the surface of what initially came in as a tragic drowning, was something far more sinister. Law enforcement couldn't tell me anything yet, except for he was found. We thought he drowned, but now there's a bullet wound. I heard a shot, but that time I had no idea what it was. Have you ever been spoken to by law enforcement? No. This season on counterclock, I'm turning back the hands of time to reinvestigate what really happened to 17 year old John wells. None of it is what it came out as. He didn't take himself over there. I don't believe that for a minute. There's a distinct feeling that there is to be no access to any of this. This investigation has forced me to reconsider everything. I thought I knew about the victim. And the people closest to him. He seemed to be under his grandmother's DOM a lot and very afraid of consequences. Pat asked me. She's like, Patrick, please don't tell him about the gun. Somebody didn't want society to know the real things. Did not want the public to know the family secrets. I've had to uncover if family secrets were worth killing for. No motive, are you kidding me? No motive? They asked me flat out. Did you kill him? Because I think you're hiding something from me. I think you're hiding a whole lot from me there, mister. I'm okay. That is a big question that somebody is find out. Was there a will? Maybe John was in that will. The key to unlocking this complicated mystery lies somewhere in the sequence of events that took place 19 years ago. None of this made a bit of sense that they went down there twice and did not find John. That's the thing is nobody was out there. Nobody knows. Highly probable that this was shot by another. And either the individual still was able to move or was transported. Separating fact from fiction has proved challenging, especially when so many people in this story don't want the past, resurrected. There's the Ford explorer. Oh my gosh, no way. Let's get a picture of that. That's the explorer. There are a couple of people over there talking to my neighbor once them in formation. I won't somebody come tell them to stop it, however legally you can do it. Over the next 15 episodes, you'll come to know everything that I do and have to make up your own mind. He did not have anything to do with this. Nothing. Someone killed him. Someone shot him. Someone drugged him down to that water and put him in the water. Are the people responsible for finding the truth concerned or covering up? Somebody's hiding something and the damn police department are helping them. In the medical examiner system, I think it's no secret that in order to keep your position, you need to keep law enforcement somewhat happy. After nearly two decades, the question no one has answered is what really happened to John wells. Is there an actual murderer on the loose? God, I hope not. But if there is, that's a lot to worry about. They're afraid of what I might do. What I will do to them over this, okay? You're not all living long or not let them. Counterclock returns Thursday, may 12th, an audio chuck is dropping all of the episodes at once, so you can binge. Be sure to follow the show on Apple podcasts. Spotify, or wherever you listen to
A highlight from 47 - Part 2: FBI Special Agent Jerry Clark and The Pizza Bomber Case
"FBI special agent Jerry Clark talks about what it took to get the search warrant to go into Brian Finch's house after he died from the explosion. It's a major case now. What was your thought process about whether you go in under exigent circumstances or wait to get the warrant? We thought about the exigent circumstances, but we decided that if there was information in there related to his involvement in the case, we didn't want it to get tossed because we didn't have the paper. So we wanted to do it a great way to collect ourselves plus the other thing was we wanted to hit that house with S.W.A.T. and with certified bond techs and people on scene. It took to one 30 in the morning. This went off at three 18. I think we wrote a 30 page affidavit to get into place. Myself in the prosecutor, the United States attorney, U.S. attorney assistant, Marshall pitch and he wrote it. And it took to one 37 to saddle up brief, get the agents and officers ready to go hit this place. They breached the door. Welcome to game of crimes.
9 Minutes and 29 Seconds: The Derek Chauvin Trial
"Thirty pm on may twenty fifth two thousand twani at the intersection of east thirty eighth street and chicago avenue in minneapolis. Minnesota was the aftermath of something. Horrific that had just occurred there. Donald williams was calling nine one one of the emergency designing killing In front of chicago He is pretty noisy. Guy wasn't the rest. Yeah neck the whole time. I'll do ninety man win. Went by breathing was arrested. Nothing you've already made green light these stupid. If not responsible when the ambulance you're area cattle. Donald was talking fast. He would later say he called nine one one because he didn't know what else to do about what he had just witnessed. He told the dispatcher that he saw a police officer quote pretty much. Just kill this guy. Who wasn't resisting arrest. He had his knee and this dude's neck the whole time. He said officer nine eighty-seven referring to the officer's badge number he had seen. He said the man hadn't been resisting that he was already in handcuffs when the officer knelt on him pinning him down on the ground then. The man stopped breathing and was non responsive when the ambulance came he said. Would you like to speak with us sergeant. That would go. What a wasn't the rest for. Let me get you over to the best thing for thing. Don't be his own off. Duty firefighter day. Your washing it. As well jacob go the one person he told the dispatcher he had been standing there watching with a woman who was an off duty firefighter. That woman told the officer to check the man for a pulse. He said but the officer refused
Gabby Petito: Timeline of Missing Woman's Cross-Country Road Trip
"Let me tell you. Notice story about of gabby petito in her boyfriend bryan laundry. Do you feel you and this is why if you have daughters stories like this is the reason why call my daughter three or four times a day right now. Gabby petito and brian laundry boyfriend girlfriend notch normal boyfriend and girl from them have my anxiety going through the roof the zion a little bit so they were kind of like no matter where they would rent truck they would drive all over the country. They would take pictures. They would do blogs right so the fact that she didn't speak to her mother in a couple of days was normal. So you know after a week. Mom said look. I haven't spoke to my daughter what's going on. It was just weird so she reached out to the boyfriend bryan laundry. He didn't answer his phone. He didn't call her back. Seem pretty way called family than in a family would answer So she filed a missing persons report like she should've after filing a missing persons report. Police went to brian laundries house which is out in florida family's house and when they asked. Hey you know wisdom young lady Blog you travel world together. What's going on. They gave him the lawyers number. He got into loyd new to me. They're ready lloyd. Up gave molloy all calculated of leaving the question. He already added lawyer ready. Okay bass right has made him a person of interest kind of weird right you give number. You don't say what happened. They're not talking at all now. His girlfriend is missing his young ladies missing. She's from long island the away. Nobody says nothing. So now they find his body over the weekend in a wyoming on national forest park that they believe the remains are hers so now they believe he's a person interested in now. They can't find him he got. They don't know what he's he's more than a person of interest in. I mean i guess you got the. He's still a person of interest for legal purposes but clearly he's a suspect at this point as the same thing right person interest suspect. I don't know yeah. So a tic tac claims she was a drive-in and brian laundry hitchhiking. He jumped in a car and as they were saying they will go into that same. We call her tucker that. That's that's so insane. I thought i referred are referred to ask taco they said her name is miranda miranda bake- baker said her and her boyfriend seen him he was hitch-hiking he jumped in a car and said hey we go into the park with remains found not that popular with going to the park and he's got crazy jumped out the car and ran off. They said that deal. That was weird but now they're realizing that was probably weird. 'cause that's probably where he knew. The body was lord. Have mercy so i hope they catch him
Was Brian Laundrie The "Creepy Man" In The Van?
"So. I've got a theory that i'm going to drop her an idea and the only way that i can kind of spin this right now is just an idea from author mind. Meaning how. I would pen the fiction if i was taking this story and wanted to write. Write the book Right the write the script. And where would i go with it because the question is you know. Whereas she but was brian. Also the creepy man that was You know basically the there's a couple unit probably know about it. That was murdered in their bodies were found in august eighteenth female couple and they had said that. There's a creepy man who intimidated them and or they felt intimidated by. And that's pretty much. What what it was before. Their bodies were found and we know that on august twelfth. That is the time where they had left. The co-op brian and gabby and that's where the body cam footage that you're seeing with the cops. We also know about two days later. That female couple near moab at a campsite like a remote Place was Was killed and it was later revealed that it was multiple gunshots to the back to the side and their bodies. Of course we're found agassi eighteenth but there is record of one of them saying At least one of them saying that there was a creepy man quotes and that they felt intimidated quotes by that at now. The question is what cops are even saying. Right now is they're they're not eliminating that. Brian is a suspect not. He's a person of interest in the disappearance in the mercy missing persons cases of Gabby right now. but they're not saying That these two cases aren't you know possibly linked and my idea from the fiction Fish inside and not what. I'm actually saying that he did. But if i were to pen the fiction it would be that yeah. He is the creepy man near that campsite that he and the girlfriend made it to a campsite close by and when this guy started to rage and basically his relationship is unraveling is becoming not what it is seen on video but really unhappy that that the girlfriend is the one person for him and she feels the same way. There's a break-up something like that. But when he goes off wandering he sees a happy couple he sees a happy couple and these were newlyweds to female couple and he just rages over that fact because that's something that he can't get he wants and he can't convince the girl who's been his girlfriend for a couple years and now when they're enclosed quarters in the van things are different than what they are in the wide open space any
Bodycam: Gabby Petito Argued With Boyfriend Before Vanishing
"There is a nationwide search for a Florida woman who vanished while on a cross country trip in a converted camper van with her boyfriend twenty two year old Gabby potatoes boyfriend Brian laundry return to their Florida home in her van ten days before potatoes family reported her missing Todd garrison is the police chief in north port Florida two people went on a trip one person returned and that person that returned isn't providing this information police body camera video in Utah shows Petitot upset telling an officer she suffers from obsessive compulsive disorder that affects our behavior police considered her the aggressor father Joe potato wants his daughter back whatever you can do to make sure my daughter comes home I'm asking for that help there's nothing else that matters to me now but he does last known contact with family was late last month from Grand Teton National Park in Wyoming I'm a Donahue
Exploring The Murder of Yvonne Lane: Reaching Out to Joe Wilkes
"It seemed like the best way to get to the bottom of what was going on was to finally speak to the man whose testimony landed david in prison for life. It was time to reach out to joe wilkes to be clear. I personally have not spoken to joe as you know the private investigators from proclaim justice advised me to let them do all the interviews during their preliminary investigation. Anything i may say or ask. A witness could taint their statements for the court. So john hardin wrote joe informing him of who he and danny wexler are and what they're doing reinvestigating the murder to find the truth of what happened now for i've seen between sue and joe hearing all the interviews. He's done with sue and other media. I did not think that joe would be too happy to hear from anyone plus if you remember even though he told police that he killed you on by cooperating and telling the police that david had hired him. He got a lesser sentence than david. Thirty years with the possibility of parole. Joe has already done twenty two years so he could be looking at freedom in just eight years. I figured he would have no interest in bringing all of this up again. I thought he would just wanna finish out his time and move on without any of the mass that happens every time he speaks to someone about this case and when i say mess i mean all of his conflicting statements in fact i figured he would actually send them a nasty message back telling them to fuck off or something if he even responded. But that didn't happen. Joe wrote back eager to talk and tell his story so the guys worked setting up a legal visit which proved to be next to impossible in ohio to get done in a timely manner and so we waited and waited. But in the meantime we couldn't wait time so we tracked down some other key witnesses. I
Who Killed Lois Duncan's Daughter: The Murder of Kaitlyn Arquette
"Lowest. Dunkin would receive a phone call. That would change her life forever. Caitlyn had been shot twice in the head while driving near downtown albuquerque and was in the hospital in critical condition less than twenty four hours later. Caitlin was dead and lois duncan found herself. Living the kind of nightmare. She had devoted her life to writing about. Lois would spend the next three decades trying unsuccessfully to unravel the mystery of her daughter's murder. Here's what we know about the crime around eleven pm on july sixteenth. A plainclothes detective drove by a car. That had hit a pole off the side of the road. On the corner of lomas east broadway near downtown albuquerque. There was a vw bug. Stop next to it. He saw no one at the site of the crash so he kept driving. I'm sorry what. How is it crashed car and another one right next to it at eleven o'clock at night not cause to stop an investigate. Common sense finally kicked in and the officer radioed end to see if the crash had been reported yet it hadn't so he decided to turn around and see. If i don't know a citizen might need help. By the time he got back to the scene of the crash the vw was gone. Oops am i right instead of the vw. Now some random guy was standing near the crash car when the detective asked what he was doing there. He said he just happened to be passing by turns out the reason. The officer didn't see anyone in the crashed car when he drove by without bothering to stop was because the driver had been shot twice in the head and was slumped over the wheel and she was still alive. This was kaitlyn arquette. Lois duncan's eighteen year old daughter.
Lawyer Murdaugh Arranged Own Death but Shot Grazed
"Hi Mike Rossi a reporting South Carolina authorities say attorney Alex Murdoch arranged his own death but was only grazed by the plant fatal shot Alex Murdoch the prominent South Carolina attorney who found the bodies of his wife and son three months ago tried to arrange his own death this month according to state police authorities say murder was trying to ensure his surviving son would get a ten million dollar life insurance payment but the planned fatal shot only grazed his head Curtis Edward Smith has been charged with assisted suicide insurance fraud and other counts related to the shooting of bird all on September fourth Bergdahl entered rehabilitation for an oxy code own addiction state police now have six open investigations into Murdoch and his family hi Mike Rossio
John Ruffo: The Fugitive that Disappeared
"The two had a simple meal out together at a coffee shop out of character. Rufo astor's wife for another date the next night and he seemed very edgy. I was talking like you know. I hope after this. We just have that simple life. That i always wanted with you. Simple is better and the next day we had my parents over as usual and his mom and he wanted all these favorite italian delicacies appetizers that we went shopping the day before and She went and visited my neighbor. Who is kathy and michael. Who took me in michael's from italy as it turned out he was asking michael where his mom lives in italy that maybe he can visit her. Because we're going to take a trip soon. It would be their final night together. Rufo vanished the next day and never said goodbye really hurt. He said goodbye to other people in a way just in the middle of the night. I know this is kind of personal but in the middle of the night. He kinda hugged me then. He couldn't look at me buried his face in my neck. He said something. But i don't remember. I couldn't hear what it was. As linda recounted those final hours it was hard not to spot the clues he kept bringing it up one place that seemed to captivate him italy
A Close Call With A Neighbor
"This hometown. The subject line is close. Call with a neighbor hi fam. I've tried to write this story down concisely multiple times but there's so much crazy shit that went on that it's hard to keep it short. Here's my best shot. All we ask right. Destroy your best. Try your best. I lived in an apartment building in downtown columbus. Ohio when i was twenty three one night at three am. I was woken by the sound of someone trying to turn my luck and open my apartment door. I was scared. But i figured it was just someone drunk or lost a yelled through the door. Hey this isn't your apartment to which the man through the door responded. I know and continued trying to turn the luck. I started panicking. And i yelled back. If you don't leave. i'm calling the police. He then started slamming his body into my doors heart as possible making my entire front hallway. Shake my god. I called nine one one and luckily the police arrived in time to remove him from my door just before he could break it down. They told me he lived in the apartment below mine and he was just drunk and had gotten confused. I told the police that i had very clearly told him that he was in the wrong place and that he was being excessively aggressive but they laughed it off. Well my little murdering oh heart was still very paranoid so i changed my log but extra protection and started doing some research. I found his name on the box in the mail room that was addressed to the apartment below mine and i googled him. I found horrible personal blog where he ranted about a lot of bullshit but particularly his hatred of women and how he had an extensive gun collection. I also learned that he was a two hundred and twenty pound ex-marine in peak physical fitness. Mike there were so many red flags that i immediately alerted the apartment management group to his behavior online and off and petitioned to break my lease they then inform me other women in the building had filed harassment complaints against him but the apartment manager had talked to him and assured me he was quote. A sweet guy who is just going through a rough pat. That was enough for me. I moved out. However before i moved. They put the unit on the market. And they were doing some showings one day. I opened the door for a showing and in all caps and bold. The guy who tried to break in is standing