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A highlight from 206: Char Ellesse | Part 2
"So you can try before you buy, which is my favorite. I like to do that in the supermarket whenever they've got a little snack being handed out. Anyway, I digress. Hello, this is part two of a lovely chat with shot a less. Have you heard part one? If you haven't, what are we doing here? We just go back to the field, listen to it there. If you have, I'll get out your way, and here you go. Now, we've got to talk about girls will be boys, which I just love the name, is everything. Most of my time is a little boy. I was behaved like a girl, and I think all nutrition lies that way of nourishing yourself from other gender norms. Where did that name come from? Well, actually started as a fashion blog with me and a friend and we were going on a night out, basically she lives in Switzerland. So I was visiting her. We'll go to a night out. And I just asked her like, do we have to be girls tonight? Well, can we be boys? And then she just like, laugh, and then we were like, wait, and then I was like, girls will be boys. Way. There's the phrase boys will be boys. Girls are, well, that's really cool. And then we started a fashion blog, I don't really work out just because of the distance. But I knew that I wanted to do a project on women who have shaved their hair. So I was like, oh, maybe I'll just turn this into a platform that is basically having girls and boys at either end of the spectrum and then everything in between, and I just want to represent that, so that's like my interpretation of the name, but I like that it's open to interpretation to anyone. That's what I wanted it to be. 'cause I know you've done a lot of projects around shaving your head and what that means for people and potentially that is synonymous with men. But it shouldn't be, but let's say let's imagine some people view it like that. Like, where did that all start for you? Shave in my head. Yeah. I. As a black woman with the tightest curl pattern possible and forese, so I had trouble with knowing how to manage my hair and how to keep my hair healthy. And I just kept going through this cycle also there was being dark skinned black girl growing up in the Midlands. So all white people, there's eurocentric beauty standards. I really wanted to relax my hair. So my mom didn't let me do it until I think I was like 12 or something. But when I did, it broke off. So then I would have to put it in. Until I grew my hair back, and then I'd wanna straighten it again. And then it will break off. So it was just this constant cycle. And I remember my stepmom, she always used to have the magazines, black beauty. So whenever I'd go and visit my dad and I said, I might always just flick for the magazines, and they always had like really cool, you know, like the typical hair shoots that you see in magazines, but it was a black woman. And a lot of the time they had like short hair or like shaved heads and I was just like, that's really cool. I guess like, maybe one day at this time I was still living in Leicester and then I'd basically wanted to do it since I was 16, but it wasn't until I lived in London for a bit. So I moved when I was 18. Kind of like started to find who I wanted to be. And I just felt like I would just do it and see what happens. So I did it when I was 21 and I literally haven't grown my hair since. Wow. And what are the things that it brings up as someone with a shaved head and particularly there's queerness in there as well. What is it that catalyst for that has meant it's been this thing that you've returned to so much with your work? When I'm speaking to women or people who want to shave air that like I always encourage it 'cause I feel like you find out so much about yourself. You didn't know you needed to. And I like that that is personal to everyone. There's not one thing that everyone finds out there the same kind of thing. So there's things that I found out and then I've spoken to friends. My mom also shaved her hair after I made my project. So then there was her experience as well. Yeah, so I just encourage that there's things you need to find out about yourself that you can't until you navigate the world with a shaved head and it sounds like oh God that's so extra, but it's true. I can totally see it. I suppose our hair is so how we communicate so much about ourselves and particularly about our gender do you think as well? I do feel like it can be linked to that but also like we put so much into our hair and we put it into other people's hair as well and I think assumptions are made. One thing that I did notice is like a lot of people became racially ambiguous when they showed their it's like you can't see their hair texture and like with certain skin tones you can't tell like you know normally you piece together like you say like who someone is or their background or whatever and a part of it is their hair. But like when you don't have hair yeah, some people I was like oh you can't tell. So it's just like different things that also feel like it's easier to play around with your gender expression when you don't have hair. I found that personally because you can either like fully lean into masculinity or you could go the opposite way and have this juxtaposition. I just think it's like it's just cool to be a blank canvas. Yes. And what did you learn about yourself through shaving your head? And I also desperate to know what your mom learned. Oh, me, I learned a lot. It's been a long time now. It's been 9 years, so I was identifying a straight when I first shaved my hair. I had a boyfriend, so. Oh, okay, okay. Yeah. So I felt a lot more comfortable in my gender expression when, yeah, when I had shaved my hair, that was one of the main things. It's like playing around with personal style and how I present to the world on each day. So I think that was probably the main thing. For my mom, I just remember her saying that she loved that because she used to work in social services. So you don't really have a shaved head if you're in less than working in special services as a 50 year old woman. So she just loved that people would make assumptions about her and only she knew the answers to why she achieved air. It's like a fun little game for her 'cause she knew and she was confident in her reason, but it was just interesting that so many people, you know, the reactions and I guess she just found even more confidence in herself and who she is. Even at the age of 50.
A highlight from 206: Char Ellesse | Part 1
"To you from somewhere different today listeners are coming to you from an actual podcast recording studio. But that doesn't mean I've changed. Nothing will change I'm still the same person but in a very smart podcast studio, which is sort of what I imagine what it's like to be Jeremy paxman, I've got a sofa. I'm sitting on. I've got a massive mic and my dog barking is nowhere to be seen. Other things to report is that it's also the first day of Christmas should you celebrate it. It is the 1st of December. Does anybody still get a chocolate advent calendar? I speak to the 40 year old man and I tell you that, yes, I do. My husband buys me one. It hasn't invited me one. I'm not ashamed, totally ashamed. And this year he got me a woman from lint, which has got a giant giant plastic giant chocolate toy on the 24th. Giant chocolate is not a toy. The foodstuff, so I'm going to open my first one today. I haven't done it yet. Other news is that also we're going from swinging around the topics here. Today, it is also world aids day. And the theme is equalize. What equalizes all about is basically calling on global leaders to recognize and address, basically the inequalities which are holding back progress in ending aids and equalizing access essential to HIV services. So really brilliant new perspective on it and if you want to look into more resources about it, what we can do to help, there'll be stuff in the show notes. Today, we've got a cool episode for you. We're talking to influencer model and podcast in no less sure a less. Sure is someone who I found on Instagram and it has interested me for a long time. She is the founder of girls will be boys platform, which is offering a space for marginalized people to talk about gender, sexuality, and self acceptance. And it's a very cool organization and Shara is really interesting on Instagram, talking about many things. Today we're talking about something which a lot of influences experience, which is called shadow banning. And the idea that apps may be Instagram sort of stop certain people's content from being seen. And what shadow banning is and how it affects people like Shah, who it's their job is being online and raising awareness for the topics that they want to speak about. And also, we're talking about hair because as Phoebe Waller-Bridge said in fleabag, hair is everything. Or did Kristen Scott Thomas set? Anyway, Shah has done a really interesting project around shaving your head and what that means, what it means for queer people. And how you can occupy different identities when you shave your head and her mom shaved her head as well. And that's also really interesting story. And then we get some agony uncle done. We've had a brilliant email from Jay simi and Shaw have a good old talk about that as well. In the meantime, have you caught up with last week's episode with the brilliant zander Murray? Loves under so many nice comments from you about that episode. And I think Sandra is really impressed with my knowledge of football. Didn't get anything wrong really, did I keep talking to us? It's hello homo sapiens podcast dot com or on Instagram at homo sapiens. Tell us what you thought about the episodes. Oh, we've got something exciting to do. Just remember, we're going to give away the new homo sapiens T-shirt. Keep sending us your agony uncles. They're always anonymous. That's the facts. Now, let's go have a look at some emails. last week's episode, Ryan said, this was such a great episode talking about the episode about Qatar and talking to zander Murray talking about the World Cup, which is football, by the way. This was such a great episode and interesting to hear someone's thoughts on the World Cup that's directly involved experiencing what's happening. Thank you for your advocacy zonda. Here. Shawn then said there needs to be a mindset change in the papers. One question might be, what can newspaper sports journalists do to foster a more inclusive debate, one that is more heteronormative? So that was Sean commenting on the fact that zander, the clip we showed of zander was saying that newspapers needs to stop their witch hunts. And actually, I was thinking about this in the car, you know, in 2022, what is the story when someone writes a story in a newspaper saying a tabloid, I suppose it would mainly be so and so footballer is in the closet but there are other players know and stuff like, how can that be a story? It's not cool. So thank you for that. And everyone please keep writing in tell us what else you need to change. What do we need to do? What do we need to do to make sport more inclusive people? I feel like perhaps my footballing days are behind me, but never say never. Also, listener Anthony wrote in and he gave us his recipe for eve's pudding. So I made it and I put it on Instagram and what can I say people you loved it? UT radar said I sense a new career as a modern fadi fanny cratic hard to say that modern fanny craddock. Not a Modi fatty granite. Emma said, start a Chris and Ridley cooking show, people, if you want that to happen, you know what to do. You have to head to at MSA pins and DM us. And then me and the dog Ridley will start cooking show, I'll make him biscuits, and he can make me biscuits actually. Then, oh, doorbell's ringing. This is in my swish very swish podcast studio. You see, I don't get this problem at home. Who could that be?
A highlight from 205: Qatar & Coming out in football with Zander Murray | Part 2
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Whenever they got a little snack being handed out. Anyway, I digress. Hello part two of lovely chat about Qatar, zander, the whole shebang. Here it is. One of the things you said earlier about what, you know, we were like, why can't people accept that male footballers again? Yeah. Let's talk about gay for now. Obviously there's many other bits of long spectrum that need to be included here. And you spoke about they can't, people can't accept that a gay man could be masculine. And stronger than them or something and won't be saying. But has it been useful? Is something you've tackled in your therapy, tackle the football phrase? Love it. Actually, here's the thing that took me a while to get around when I came out all those years ago and there's actually to say it's in the past is bullshit is that it doesn't make you any less of a man to be gay. That's the thing. It doesn't, there's no feminine or masculine, doesn't make you any less of a man if that is the gender to which you identify. That's the thing we need to get over, it, right? It's not this homogeneous idea of a man or a footballer. You need to break down these barriers, labels, you know, yeah, 100%, and that's it. That took me a lot of time to add a lot in my head. I'm like, how you probably can't believe that's a comprehend, but for years, playing football, I'm like, how can I be faster than stronger than these players? How can I be more aggressive than I'm gay? How is that possible? And that's just because I've been in that football environment hypermasculine for so many years that you just, you're in a constantly necessarily homophobic. You know, but you're just hidden conversations and it's obviously just stuck in whatever they're saying and I am glad now that we've got to a point that I have completely abolished the ideas you know I'm completely happy and content of who I'm in and thriving and but there's no there's not enough of us out there cursing that's why I wanted to speak up and speak out, to share my message. To sort of delineate between the two because so did you say you haven't really heard homophobia among the players? Yeah, so before they may be off the cuff comments like okami man up or they'll be so gay or blah blah blah blah blah. That's just three years of playing football. Yeah, of course you hear them. But in recent years, even before I came out to football. I would say that's really getting reduced certainly and that's obviously what's happening in the media and where we are as a society and the UK, there's obviously other countries that need a hell of a lot of work, you know? Yeah. But then fans and chants in the stands and homophobia specifically because they also know racism is a big problem. Have you heard homophobia in the crowds? Or where are we at with that as you understand it? Because it's a bigger topic than the batches you're at. Obviously example, and then I started, I don't get to go to much games, so I've not had much home full beer, but I know that obviously it does happen. I know in England, they've got a pro car, so if you hear that, you can phone a number and you can report it in England. Scotland I don't think has that. But yeah, we found, you see on Twitter, tell us about a sense but things that just I'm just new to us, so I'm getting to understand. You'll be reversing out of that, my friend. Elegance to them. That's because a lot nicer, but some of the comments on Twitter often I don't know if you had in the news the two high profile Spanish players joked about coming out and I don't have much of a pain on that at all. I'm not going to share my opinion, but what I've always said when the national post came out that you could conceal us, said I am gay as much as part of the park to not have to know. But the comments underneath that initial post. So were the comments terrible on Twitter underneath him saying I am gay. Yeah. And I'm just, again, just thinking for the younger generation looking at that. That's horrible and anyone that's close to coming out and the football community is just going to send them back and they close it as nasty. Yeah, you're right. That is absolutely going to set people back because it's like, you know, it's a test. It's like, oh, someone's done a dry run for me. That
Coming of Age During the AIDS Crisis
"The friday before gay pride day in june of nineteen eighty six and i'm sitting in a hospital room with our friend mark the bow-tie-wearing graphics designer from work. I'm suited up in a mask. Gloves and protective gown is to protect him not me. His immune system has been decimated and he's battling new mississippi pneumonia. His breathing isn't great his chest heaving he sips air through an oxygen mask. I've brought him some watercolors so he can paint. We're talking about what he's going to do when he gets out of the hospital like going back to work and maybe a summer getaway to the countryside for the four of us. These are as much plans as they are daydreams. We've all become familiar with the hospital. Admission and discharge dance one infection. Suppressed live to fight the next one two days later barry just home from the pride march. The light on the answering machines blinking. barry presses. Play while i take off my shoes. I hear marks partners voice. Not the words his voice. I tried to block it out. I don't want to hear the rest of his message. It's too late. Mark is dead and then bury and i Planned his memorial service at the vassar club which was located in the lotus club which is a fancy private club on the upper east side which had never seen an aids memorial before berry came up with the idea of We called it the balloon benediction. We've got all these helium balloons that we brought with us to the to the lowest club and each one had a little plastic bowtie attached to it and after the service we went out to central park and we release the balloons with these little bow ties on them. That for us was we. Couldn't we couldn't say that it wasn't people like us. At that point.
Navigating Hormone Replacement Therapy as a Trans Person
"The us healthcare system can be extremely difficult for trans folks. A lot of transpeople face medical discrimination. A lot of trans people can live in places where they don't have access to affirming providers or might not have insurance. Some trans people might have insurance. But it's might not be able to get procedures covered even if they have quote unquote good insurance. And that's an unfortunate reality. Even finding information about trans healthcare can be a challenge. You know just a lot of reporting on trans stuff. Tends to be by says people and this isn't always the case but a lot of the times that means like from the get go. It's kind of being portrayed in this light. That isn't actually geared towards transpeople. But is really more about centering. Says people that's james factoria a trance journalist who covers queer and trans news culture and health and they recently wrote a piece for vice called a beginner's guide to hormone replacement therapy gender affirming hormone therapy or hormone replacement therapy or each. Rt is basically just when you take hormones by any variety of delivery methods that can mean a shot or like a pill or a gel for example to align what you look like what you sound like to be more aligned with who you already know. You are and More colloquially a lot of trans people refer to it as a second.
Interview With Musician, K.D. Lang | Part 2
"Was deliberately not deliberately. Those weren't your words but you like it didn't sell as well. Yeah it was like a great leveler but then years later i realized that the way the system works. If you sell a million records two million records than in the system of record companies and marketing you sell two million records but then you put a terrible record out new cell thirty eight copies than marketing and everything sees that you sell thirty eight copies. So you're only as good as your last sales it sabotage ice managed to sabotage things pretty well without record. Do you regret that. I mean i regret but what do you think that was what had happened at the time i regret. Not having all the information or having the comprehension. That i needed to have but i certainly don't regret they. Artistic decision to work with gus fans end and uma thurman and rain phoenix making. Or you're talking all you can eat. 'cause actually followed it up with even cowgirls get the blues. Right is at the record. Yes you can eat so there's a couple there couple of stinkers. They're they really. What stinkers no. I don't think so. I don't think so but in terms of public You know success. It was they were big old stinkers. You don't need to hit us for me. But
Interview With Tennis Legend, Billie Jean King
"So just as we often say how much has changed for queer people in the last fifty years your bookers reminder that that statement is also true for women and your case being a woman and a professional tennis player wasn't even a career path that existed. So when you were starting out how are you thinking about what was possible for a career in tennis. I played team sports as child. I in a lot of people may or may not know my younger brother. Randy moffett moderates are birth. Name became a major league baseball player. So sports is in our blood. I dad was a good athlete. My mother was good athlete. So susan williams in fifth grade asked me. If i wanted to play tennis and i said what's tennis i thought i would probably wouldn't play because she played the country. Calm and my dad's a firefighter. Aside well this is an my realm of thinking. I've also played on the softball team and she told the coach. She'd taking me out to play tennis and she said oh they give free instruction here on tuesdays applied walker. And it's free coaching. While i go out to have my first session with clyde and at the end of it i knew i wanted to be the number one tessler in the world but then was amateur and i didn't like that because i grew up around pro sports pro met. You're really good at what you did and amateur. Music was a hobby so one of the first things. I wanted to change sport. As far as being a professional sport it were none really no options as a child for girls and today there's still many more options for boys. What really happened though. What really changed my life. My epiphany was when i was twelve. I was just daydream. One day and realize that everybody who played tennis for white shoes and white clothes play with white balls and everybody who played was white. And i asked myself whereas everybody else. Where is everyone else. So that was my moment that i dedicate the rest of my life to fighting for equality for everyone everything i've done. We'll go back to that moment. That epiphany twelve years old.
Virginia School Board Approves Controversial Transgender Policy
"Being called the Victory for L G B T Q. Advocates in Virginia, the Loudon County School board approving the controversial transgender pull up. Policy by a 7 to 2 vote. That policy requires teachers to use preferred pronouns that allows gender expansive students and gender. Transgender students participate in sports other activities in a manner consistent with the students. Gender
Coming of Age During the AIDS Crisis
"On our second afternoon. Just back from a swim in the marine water. Santeuil bay berry yells for me from the bathroom. He turns from the mirror and says look he sticks out his tongue. We always joked. About what a big tongue had. But that's not what he was asking me to look at. Berries tongue is coated with a whitish film. Especially in the back. Maybe it's nothing i say. But my attempted reassurance evaporates. When i burst into tears we knew that thrush a kind of mouth. Fungus was an early symptom of as. We've both read the alarming studies suggesting that aids could have a long incubation period. Not just months but years and in october nineteen eighty-four. The new york times had reported new scientific evidence that suggested aids might be transmissible through saliva. Barron i curl up together on the bed. Hold each other and saab if you could contract aids through saliva. Could you get infected from tears. The daft we get home. I sit nervously flipping through people magazine in the waiting room while berry his in with the doctor the doctor asks barrier to stick out his tongue takes a close look walks over the mirror in the examination room and sticks out his own tongue he turns to berry and says yep. That's what it looks like berry tells me the story on the way home and we wind up standing on a street corner laughing. It wasn't funny but you had to laugh mostly from relief but also over our hyper-vigilance gone wrong that study about saliva an aids wouldn't be debunked for another
Andrew Rannells: From Book of Mormon to Modern Love
"So like many people remember seeing seeing the tonys in two thousand eleven and soon after you popped up on girls. Hbo and have gone onto this largely tv and film career. Was that the plan all along. Did you want to transition eventually to tv while you were doing theater and doing the show. No not exactly. I mean i had wanted to be on broadway since i was a kid. And my dream had always been beyond broadway and to be a leading man on broadway and i the opportunity to replace a couple of shows than when i did that a couple times. I was like really like to do a new one. That would be nice. So i took some some time to focus on just trying to find new musicals that that i could come into to new york with and debut on broadway and it happened that it was the book of mormon every few years. There's a broadway show. That sort of attracts the attention of the west coast. It happened with rent in. It happened with certainly with hamilton and the book of mormon was also one of their shows. And if i'm being totally honest. I'd film two seasons of girls and then had done a pilot with ryan murphy for show called the new normal that was picked up and was going to be on. Nbc and i was still doing the book of mormon. While i was doing all of that i was still in the show. I didn't know that. Yeah and i was able to continue to do it. And then it got picked up. And then i had to move. I had to move to los angeles and it was an opportunity. That was too good to not pass up and it was not necessarily. The tv stuff was not necessarily always on my radar. I really just wanted to do theater
Interview With Actor, Designer, Jonathan Bennett and Jaymes Vaughan
"I always have guessed introduce themselves. Would you introduce yourselves sure. I'm jonathan bennett. And this is my fiance. Say your name baby on that. Say out breathing out so they can hear your name. What is your name. Babe james von there. We go so far. It's going great. Yeah it is going great. This is ideal. Because i'm really feel like i'm really capturing something of your dynamic in the the reality between two you are engaged. You're engaged. we are engaged thing. Love that joke. 'cause we're gay and we're engaged sure yet so we're get. Let me explain the joke for you. In case you didn't get i so good good do guy nail i follow. Nailed it very. Yeah jonathan you had kind of a big year. It feels like to me. I'm just an outsider. Looking at your life does that feel true to you. Yeah i mean this is ben. it's not only a big year but super special year like it's just been there so many groundbreaking things that have happened in the past year with us and with just clear visibility in the media and it's been such a. It's almost like when it rains. It pours like we didn't set out to do any of these things but all of a sudden things started happening. And it's kinda snowballed into this movement that we're just so proud of
A Love Letter to Anyone Who's Ever Felt Despair
"So you emigrated from uruguay while your mom was pregnant with you you lived in england switzerland than california and in much of your work. You keep returning to in a writing about uruguay. I feel like it is a simple question you know. Why do you keep returning to your writing and yet not. Every immigrant does feel compelled to write about their homeland. So i do want to start off by asking. What is it about this place that keeps calling you to it. I have felt pulled for you. Know my first five books. Back to the y. And to the neighboring country of argentina whose destinies have been interwoven throughout their histories. And i think there's various layers to that one of them for me is that i have this peculiar experience of remembering immigration to this country at ten years old so i'm not a daughter of immigrants who was born here unlike other people who sort of have this experience of having been fully formed in the united states but i also didn't grow up in or wasn't born in my country of origin. I have this distance of not having been shaped within the country of origin as immigrants who come directly from their country to the united states. Have that sort of memory and that proximity to the culture. So i was living in different countries where i always felt like. I had this country inside of my skin. That wasn't visible to me outside my skin. So i think there's that kind of pull and fascination born of distance in a sense of there being a rudeness that is elsewhere. I also think my journey was very much shaped by the fact that you know. Uruguayans were very small diaspora. It's a country of three and a half million people and so it's very common to not have a big uruguay and community in the place that you emigrate to so my parents were really the cultural gatekeepers. They're the ones who passed down what it meant to be uruguayan. And so when they disowned me. In my mid twenties due to various things including familial homophobia combined with this idea that i couldn't be uruguayan and my parents explicitly said that to me at one point. You can't be uruguayan anymore. Because you're gay that doesn't exist in our country
Lesbian Love and Coded Diaries: The Remarkable Story of Anne Lister
"Seventeen. Ninety one in halifax england. Her family was part of the minor gentry and parents believed and should be formerly educated. An unusual thing for women at the time so an was sent to boarding school and was both intelligent and rebellious. While at school and began keeping a diary it was a habit. She would maintain for the rest of her life at school. She also had her first sexual experience with another female student named elisa rain when writing about their relationship and began using code to ensure hurt lesbianism would remain a secret even in the pages of her journal though she started with a simple code to censor explicitly. Romantic actions and cypher would soon evolve to use zodiac symbols random letters and calligraphy to shroud her entries in secrecy from a young age and refused to dress or act. According to society's rules for girls like her account say she wore so called masculine clothes and she engaged in activities usually reserved for men including traveling and managing her own estate. in nineteenth century. Britain homosexual acts were illegal sexual relationships between women were seemingly not part of the conversation and were not called out in the legislation. Barring men from sexual acts with other men it was common for unmarried. Wealthy white women like ann to be close with other women. These relationships were called romantic friendships. And were even encouraged as a way for young women to prevent premarital scandal with men as long as they weren't explicitly sexual and relationships with women were considered perfectly normal but according to her diaries and wasn't exactly secretive about her intentions with these women ends diaries into picture of tumultuous love life. After
Kate Bornstein: Still a Gender Outlaw (7/27/21)
"Begin with in the last few years. We have really up to you in your work when it comes to gender been talking about in writing about living outside the gender binary for over thirty years at this point and now we're able to point to people like you and your work as one example of things we can turn to to read and learn but early on thirty years ago. What if any resources did you have. Were their books. You're reading or people you were talking to anything at all. There was no internet and there was nothing to look at if you could look up transexual but then you would get christine jorgensen and you would get very conservative. People people who were born men grew up were living as conservative men and transitioned into conservative women and the freaks. Their voice wasn't published. It was coming out through warhol's films at first. That's where that's where the real first non binary presence was felt in the country. Jackie curtis was calling themselves. I'm not a man. I'm not a woman i went. Whoa okay. Let's talk about that in for so long early work. That was how you described your gender not man not woman. Was that how it was commonly being discussed or is that like your individual way to describe it. That was my individual way to describe it. I didn't know many people personally who were also looking at themselves in that way but as more and more people started defining as trans and as we had the internet than i was hooking with people who did that defined that way.
Edafe Okporo: Seeking Asylum in the U.S.
"Law that passed into doesn't fourteen in nigeria. That made same sex relationships illegal. I want definitely get to that but before while you were growing up. But was the general feeling attitude toward gay people. generally jerry's predominantly pit rocky so like men. I supposed to be man. We met a supposed to steer to them. Just like united st sixty years ago but the was put that was done by amnesty international into sanity that shows their ninety. Eight percent of nigerians believed that gay people added costs of the country problem but green up really really young. I was kind of a firm units but because of the kind of violence. I is key that people. Why do you like that. You should play soccer things like that made me kind of change. Our ib to become on the airstream rights to be very very much. And i grew up in a predominantly christina varmints and the christian religion. Don't believe that's should be like if you're gay you are possessed by demonic spirits or something like that says really long way for me to fight true or this kind of towards and really say that i am gay is hard to grow in such kind of cities and things that you're gay while so. When did you start to feel comfortable telling people so people were in closets all his know that it is hard to come out of your closet. It is very difficult. I forward myself almost three years. I did a go. I joined charged seminary. I became a political surpassed like augustine's. You're like i knew him key but i just don't want to believe our gay but one the i was reading on the internet is a quote from make that dr bernard out we give our oppressors biden align ourselves to be ourselves so i ran out undefeated on a was seen to myself. Am i really key things like that. So one day. I went on the internet and i discovered a gated uppercut manager is football in like our earned some parts of africa by the. What's it called. Menachem man jam. Gotcha i emit a guy who to me. If you have feelings florida guys. you'll be. And as i said only g.
Environmentalist Drag Queen Says the Outdoors Belongs to Everyone
"High heels may not be practical footwear for hiking but when patagonia pulls on her six inch the leto destroyed across a mountaintop the environmentalist drag. Queen is not trying to rack up miles. She's working to build a more inclusive climate movement. She says it starts by reclaiming the outdoors as a place where everyone belongs whether that's queer people whether that's people of color whether that's disabled people. I think for the longest time we've been told that that's not for us. That's not where we find. People like ourselves so patty uses her social media platform to share pictures and videos of herself hiking camping and speaking up about environmental issues. She posed next to an oil rig to push for fossil fuel divestment and she created a gown made of actual trash to raise awareness of plastic pollution. She wants to redefine what an environmentalist looks like and invite everyone to bring their full self to the work of protecting nature and the climate if we can start with our ethnicity our culture our sexuality our values and beliefs as the deepest roots of our climate work and not climate work reflects truly who we are. I think we're going to be even more motivated to do. Climate work in naked a longstanding piece of our lives.
Study Finds More Racial Diversity in LGBTQ Film Characters
"An increase in the diversity of LGBTQ characters in movies. Glad, says the 44 films released by Major studios last year were there were of them. 20 where LG had LGBTQ characters. Eight were characters of color. The advocacy group also says 11 of the characters were women, nine were men. It's the first time they have been more women than men. In LGBTQ rules. Officials in
The Sacred Band of Thebes
"As minor way often discuss houses before we actually start telling you about the thing. We're talking about the infamous. Lit review lit review. Every costs needs one episode. In this instance. Actually not really gonna talk much about us is at the start of the episode. I used a lot of like little sources for all of the different sections so will discuss them as they come up and talk about. What's wrong with them with one exception. being i wanted to talk a little bit about a book called the sacred band by james rome. This book is. I'm fairly confident. In saying the newest scholarship that exists on the sacred band because it came out in early june of this year and we decided to do an episode on the sacred band because the publisher of the book reached out to us at austin advanced review copy. Thank you for that. I must pay for that copy and talking about as the title suggests james rum's the sacred band is about the sacred band of thieves which you'll hear an awful lot about a minute. I'm genuinely very interested to hear about the benefits. I literally but the book also more widely explores the political and social and military context of the roughly four decades in which the band exist in unusually for us. You have also read this book. Alice what did you think of it as someone who didn't then go raid ten other books about the area. I feel like michael two little cloudy. So how did you feel about it as a ruin peasant To a great person. So i deny much background about the second band of thieves or ancient greece. I'm not going into the person who knows nothing. Because i have studied disappeared. But i definitely wasn't being like i. I know this. I wanted to give you an idea of how i went into this book so probably like about where most people pick up. The book would be like if you're interested enough to pick up the bulk. You probably have a vague idea of that was athens. They were at Thieves was also he unite. That's the general context. Obviously a will give you a good version of that later in the episode crest. Where is the do you know what happens. Yes it's north of that Grace it's it's grace. It's quite central to grace. And it's like roughly to the north of athens quite close to athens within like a day's ride will a couple of days walk all right so even like quite course Travel yes this will come Will between these.
Coming of Age During the AIDS Crisis
"My first time at circus. April thirtieth nineteen eighty three madison square garden. I'm twenty four years old. And i am not a date berry is not my date yet. We haven't fallen in love yet. But we are at the circus together. We're the very first big aids fundraiser. In new york a few early supporters of the gay men's health crisis got together and bought out a performance of the barnum and bailey circus. The greatest show on earth wasn't prepared to officially host an event for his cause. But gmc got around that by reselling the seventeen thousand six hundred seats to raise money and tackle the growing crisis ernest. See of gay men when the ringmaster introduces broadway star patti. Lupone lose it. After meeting speech from patty leonard bernstein walks across the floor of the arena to conduct the orchestra of the star spangled banner mezzo-soprano shirley varez voice feels. The garden joined by thousands of voices in the audience. Patriotism clowns and aids seems improbable now but felt so right in the moment.
Ann Northrop: The Crucial Role of Women in ACT Up
"I want to begin with your work and act up in the eighties. When did you first become aware of act up and housing after digit joining almost immediately as the last answer. But i had been a producer for cbs news. I'd quit because i was disgusted by what was happening there. I thought it was empty and offensive. And i ended up taking a job at the hedrick martin institute for lesbian and gay youth becoming an aids educator to teenagers in the schools all over new york city as i got educated about what i had to educate people about. It became clear to me that the epidemic was a political event that it was very much like the vietnam war that i had marched against that it was about people in power not caring about anyone else and being perfectly happy to send people off to die so i could see. The thread was clear. And then i went to something called the war conference in the beginning of nineteen eighty eight and that was a meeting of about two hundred. Lgbt activists from around the country and i begged to be invited to the war conference. And i got there and people started talking about act up. And i thought oh my god. This sounds like something. I really should check out. As soon as i got back. There was a monday night meeting. I went to the monday night meeting. And i walked in and i thought oh my god. These are my people. These are the cranky individualists. Who are really too weird to be part of normal society. And they're here doing civil disobedience and direct action. I can go out in the streets and yell and say what i want and do what i did during the vietnam war in the feminist movement and it all just felt like home
Interview With Jessamyn Stanley, Author of 'Yoke: My Yoga of Self-Acceptance'
"How do you explain what yoke means. Right what is it like to practice that love and acceptance every day like. How do you start your day so that you are grounded in the right space night. Goodness well okay. Thank you so much for him. And what i will say in response to. What is yoke yoke is like my american millennial translation of the word yoga yoga meaning union bringing together. And yoke is that. It's just a union. It's bringing together all the different pieces of yourself earned whether that be good or bad or really i think more specifically and more necessarily the ugly seeing every single piece of yourself and not trying to fix it or make it or try to be good or not trying to categorize anything religious. Saying this is who i am. And i'm going to accept every single piece of myself and that is what i have felt that my yoga practice honestly has always been but i think that yoga going it's talking about in the mainstream is always categorized as minutes at this point in whenever we talk about it. It's always like yoga poses in sequences. It's not about this connection to the truth of yourself and relate needing to accept every single facet of yourself and i think of joking as a moment by moment journey that is always evolving in that will it's time just becomes more complex and more decadent honestly but just becomes more journey becomes more intense
Eureka O'Hara: The Drag Race All Stars Season 6 Winner
"So you've talked before. About how before drag race you lived as a trans woman for five years and then you decided that that's or you realize that's not actually who you are. Can you just talk about your early experience gender and what led you to think that you might be a trans woman. Oh yeah of. Course why i to reiterate into the versus me figuring out that i'm not. I think it was more of like discovering that. I'm like all of these things you know what i'm saying. Expansion the weirdly. Like i think the trans person that i was is a huge part of who i am now. It's just like a more elevated self perception and then also like some description as far as like gender goes that's where gender neutrality i think comes in right. I just remember growing up. Well i i grew up with all women. So four women I remember being younger. And like the little gameboy and we always like wanted to be a girl. Because it'd be easier. I think we'll have those thoughts a little bit at some point in our life like oh like dealing with the persecution of it or likes negatively or like the self inflicted ideas that we put on ourselves because of other people's opinions we automatically assume that it's a bad thing and how much easier beats like. Just be a girl so then you could wear pretty and for things and you could like boys and you know all these things that you want. Do play with barbies etc. So that was kind of a star. I think and then i met a guy when i was like eighteen. Who was really interested in eureka and i clicked with him really well so then like i was already doing drag and i was living with a trans woman at the time so it just seems like so many factors of my mind mike. My thought process was adding up to this like okay. You're not leaving your authentic self. Maybe this is something you should discover and then the boy comes in. Because and i call him a boy because he turned out not to be a man. Okay reading like in allegra boswell sands so the boy was also there for like that. Validation i guess my having someone to support me through it because he was more interested in eureka. So that's why. I kind of brought that up because the thought process was more from like growing up and then living with the transvaal man and just having those ideas kind of for a long time anyway dating him he he really isn't do eureka. Your drag character and so it's like you're getting all the validation about the feminine side of noon that an interesting. It was interesting but it was like. I really liked him. You know and he was like the first time i ever had like had a guy that could consider like a real interested in mike relationship type situation and saddam was just like you know fell head over heels really quickly so i would have done just about anything but i was already thinking these things. I can't really say like. Oh well i did it. Because i met this guy no i had the quote unquote balls. Elevate or the lack thereof to push myself to do it. Because i had like this validation from the opposite sex or however you want to describe the gender of that situation. I don't know how would talk about that.
Coming of Age During the AIDS Crisis
"It was the first notice that we had a rare cancer seeing among male homosexuals. There was call eight. Concrete group man was pepsi's sarcoma rear cancer forty one homosexual we would tell nick died of cat scratch fever which does not kill you. You know it's just not possible. He died before they knew what they walked knowing. They're all running around and going. We don't understand. this is all about. He got sick in Eighty and he died generation team of eighty one. We didn't know then that this zaid's but it was aids even when we found out in eighty one. It was much bigger than we thought. I felt so strongly that that would have been a page one story. If it'd been anybody else getting when. I thought on the new york times i was scared of times covers. It has to be real. It's july third nineteen eighty-one and i'm reading the new york times over breakfast. Cheerios and low fat milk sliced banana. Doug is still asleep. He's my best friend from college. Not an early riser. We're renting a tiny apartment for the summer in hell's kitchen a few blocks west of manhattan's theater district. I'd say the neighborhood is rough around the edges but it isn't just the edges page twenty of the paper. A thin single column story running down the left hand side catches my eye at the top. Two lines bowl type rare cancer seen in forty one homosexuals. A shiver runs up my spine to me. Where gay men. But the editors of the new york times are still insisting in nineteen ninety-one that we can only be referred to as homosexuals some say homosexuals forty-one homosexuals in an often rapidly. Fatal form of cancer kaposi's sarcoma.
How Chavela Vargas Broke Gender Stereotypes in Mexican Music
"Before she was chubby. La she was e- seville bosley sanel. She was born in costa rica on april seventeenth. Nineteen nineteen to francisco bargains and immediately saana. I was born singing chubby. Once proclaimed she sang to entertain herself during her lonely and painful childhood. See much lenny. Naroda the strange girl and her religious family and conservative community. She did not present herself like a prim and feminine young lady as is expected despite her upbringing china was a romantic and determined to chase her dreams leaving. Her conservative community became her obsession at the age of seventeen. Something called her to mexico when trump arrived she. I turned to singing on the streets and later saying taverns bars and cabarets chubby saying banchetta a traditional genre of mexican music that dates back to before the mexican revolution of nineteen. Ten branch showed us our festive songs. Usually sung from a man's perspective with mariachi band when women perform them they typically did so in heels and colorful bright dresses with ribbons chubby. Did none of these things instead she drank tequila wore toted a gun and sang like a man. She didn't even change the pronouns in the songs. I was the first woman who dared to sing to another woman she later said. Her performance caught people's attention. They wanted to know who this woman was who wore pants. Cha took other artistic liberties to she slowed down the tempo of these
California Adds 5 Anti-LGBTQ+ States to State-Funded Travel Ban
"States that the list of places where state funded travel is now banned. This is because of discriminatory discriminatory laws targeting the LGBTQ community. 17 states now off limits to California state funded travel because most are being added, in part because they are working to prevent transgender women and girls from participating in school sports consistent with their gender identity. California Attorney General Rob Bonta of the States are a part of a recent Dangerous wave of discriminatory new bill signed into law and states all across the country. The newest states, Florida, Arkansas, Montana, North Dakota and West Virginia.
Chella Man: Trans, Deaf, Goofy, Hungry, and Tired
"So before reading the book my some shin was that since you have coke clear implants that you would have perfect one hundred percent hearing and never need to think about it ever again. And so obviously. That's not the case. You say you can hear some. What can you describe a bit more about what that somewhat is. Yeah exactly i mean. It's a huge misconception. I always kind of compare it to. Have you ever taken a video outside when it's windy. You know how like when you play back later. How that win sounds. That's just how i hear win in general so everything is very mechanical. I always used to say i don't have any moisture human hearing necessarily and it's just bury like mechanical is just like asking you at what is it like to see you know. How do you describe that to someone. That's the best comparison. I think i can give you since you do rely on reading lips like our video calls like this challenging. Yes oh it's a lot of energy typically and how have live captioning so if you have a hard of hearing person next time having live captioning super helpful in google hangouts actually has that imbedded in in it holding on those platforms is typically what i usually do but right now i actually feel pretty comfortable because i'm in a quiet environment at your lips are clear you have that fancy mark so i'm pretty good. Okay let me know if that changes to and that's great to know for next time also so thank you with the cochlear implants. I know that not every person has them. Was that a choice that you made or were you too young. That was made for you. That's a great question. A lot of kids. Don't get the choice but my parents intentionally did a lot of research about the controversy within the deaf community about cochlear implants and they wanted me to have the decision myself. So for longtime up i would be. I think they asked me like once every single year. At least you know do you. How do you feel about getting coakley. Implants now and i would always be deeply opposed to it
Megan Fox Celebrates Being Bisexual 'For Over Two Decades' in Pride Post
"Right now. Megan fox is celebrating pride as by sexual woman. According to yahoo news The thirty five year old actress flashed her rainbow inspired manicure and a bunch of instagram selfish. This weekend i think we have those as pride. Celebrations underway cielo tips or rainbow Though currently with machine gun kelly. The mom of three from. Brian austin green. Says she's been putting a be in the lgbtq for decades fox the bipolar. That's right fox. Publicly spoke about it in two thousand eighteen. G q said she had a crush on. Live your wild and jenna. Jameson and revealed she briefly dated a female stripper when she was
Supreme Court Rejects Transgender Bathroom Dispute in Win for Student
"Virginia school boards appeal to reinstate its transgender bathroom ban. Justices have decided to leave in place a lower court ruling that found that policy unconstitutional. The case involved a former high school student, Gavin Grimm. Transgender male who sued Gloucester County public schools after he was told he could not use the boys bathroom at his high school. Two justices on the High Court, Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas did vote to hear the board's appeal. A small plane with five
President Biden Celebrates Pride Month
"President Biden celebrated the LGBT Q community as Pride month winds down, it reflects the community's stature at government's highest level, with the president, saying Pride month represents many things, including courage and justice, and above all, pride month stands for love. Among those at an East Room commemoration. Transportation Secretary Pete Buddha judge the first openly gay person confirmed to a Cabinet post plus even being here proves how much change is possible. In America. The president earlier named a special Diplomatic envoy for LGBTQ rights and also signed the measure. Designating Orlando's Pulse nightclub. A national memorial 49 people were killed at the gay club five years ago. The deadliest attack on the nation's L G B T Q
Laurel Hubbard: First Transgender Athlete to Compete at the Olympics
"Zealand's Laurel Hubbard will become the first transgender athletes to compete in the games. Some have argued that because she went through male puberty, she'll have an unfair advantage over her competitors, but she did meet the IOC's requirements. For athletes who transition from male to female. Hubbard, who transitioned eight years ago, said in a statement She was grateful to New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern, who said publicly that Hubbard supported all the guidelines to earn her place at the Olympics.
Biden Celebrates Pride Month, Highlighting LGBTQ Rights
"President Biden has celebrated the LGBTQ community at the White House as pride month winds down it reflects the community's stature at government's highest level with the president saying pride month represents many things including courage and justice and above all pride month stands for love among those at an east room commemoration transportation secretary Pete booted change the first openly gay person confirmed to a cabinet post us even being here proves how much change is possible in America the president earlier named a special diplomatic envoy for LGBTQ rights and also signed the measure designating Orlando's pulse night club and national memorial forty nine people were killed at the gay club five years ago the deadliest attack on the nation's L. G. B. T. Q. community soccer make ani Washington