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The Atheist Experience 25.09 02-28-2021 with Matt Dillahunty and Shannon Q
"Hey everybody welcome. Welcome to the last day of february. The last eight black history month the last day of well whatever everything that came before the week matt joining me shannon you. How are you. I'm good how are you. This is the first one that we've done this year. I'm excited atom hosted together and twenty twenty one. It's because you don't like me enough fair. It's true story actually. I wasn't gonna tell anybody. But now they're now i remember once upon a time when i when i show up and say hey i i'm your host this week and i was in charge of stuff and now i'm not in charge of anything other than making the announcements and sitting back while and it takes charge but i wondered. Oh i was going to do like a welcome. Welcome welcome is what john oliver would say if he was hosting this show. But he's not and guess. I have really bad ideas that i just don't punish people when we actually go live. So welcome everybody. This is the atheist experiencing production of the atheist also nonprofit educational organization promoting positive atheism and the separation of religion and government. If you are watching us live on youtube right now directly up above The shot is a place where you can click the donate lincoln. One hundred percent of those donations go directly to the atheist community. Boston as a nonprofit. Google youtube don't take any portion of that and that goes to help fund behind the scenes stuff including some things will get to in a little while but importantly not only does the produce this. Show this this program here on sunday afternoons but on sunday earlier in the day at one we have talk ethan and in between talkie that an atheist experience we have nonprofits which is a record up so with new people on it all the time and i. I'm hearing so many good things about it. And i've enjoyed it but i all means tune in and see how you're doing thursdays the secular sexuality. Fridays is truth. Wanted if you want to support the show you can do that in a number of different ways including a merchandise link which is up on the screen. Now you can get your coffee cups and mugs and teacher coffee cups and mugs coffee mugs t shirts and other things like that and you can get a membership at youtube which will
Testimony Under Duress with Brian McLaren
"Today. Special guest is the author of faith after doubt brian mclaren. Welcome to the show. Thanks great to be with you. Michael appreciate you coming on and sending me the book that's awesome. I always love getting books from the gas. Really fun the honest with you. Though man i was a little disappointed. There was no No autograph for you know. We'll have to try to remedy. That somehow awesome good. I like those special notes that they send me. Those are fun so does a little bit about your book. Well i was a pastor for twenty years and my life as a pastor. I had so many folks come to me over the years with their questions and doubts and things that just didn't make sense and Sometimes their questions really sort of the united my own questions and So i've always been interested about the intersection of pay out. Especially i grew up in a super conservative religious background. Where it wasn't real. You know ask asking questions and acknowledging that weren't really allowed so I left the past some years ago. And i i still speak primarily to pass pastors and i would say that hardly a week goes by where i don't hear from several people who tell me their pace falling apart or you're having serious doubts about this or that element of it and it's surprising how many clergy are also in that situation. So all that interesting together to say this is. This is something. I've been struggling with for a long time and Maybe something. I could help others with interesting. So do you think it's it's a good thing to doubt. Let's put it this way. It's a bad thing to just believe something because somebody else told you. You have two more threaten you with some punishment. If you didn't say that you believe honesty's important and stout important on a doubt in and of itself won't get us to where we need to go but faith without any doubt. is I think it's pretty dangerous. It among other things it sets us up to be exploited. It sets us up to the Ripped off by con artists because then con con artists. Were they they tell us to believe what they say and put son has been where Where we end up being manipulated manipulated by our ninety faith. Yeah scary stuff. A lot of cutler's out there and get you in you know you just go follow the group. Whatever the group does here drink this cool eight. It'll be great. do what what. What's a little scary is those kinds of Those kinds of connor artists exist in the world of religion and in the world of business and in the world of politics there hammer. unfortunately religious communities can easily become aggregate For people who want to believe and and then they become aggravates for people who can be manipulated. So that's why. I think it's important to help Christians and people of other religions well but for me as a christian especially how christians and especially i have a soft spot in my heart for pastors. Since i was one for so long to help passed a better job on helping people honest with their questions and doubts interesting. Kinda wanna go back to something. You said there for a minute. You said punishment if they don't say that they believe it. So do you. Do you find that if if if you don't believe something a punishment for not believing that is wrong or shouldn't be done a well. Maybe i maybe. I can explain it like this. I'm one of the things. I wanna the insights really that became clear from within. The book is how faith isn't just an individual. Aw an individual experience and doubt is not just an individual experience but because we belong to communities that are often bound together by agreements to certain creeds doctrinal statements or agrees that our social life is really wrapped up our doubts as well and And so what we end up experiencing a lot of its experience is that were part of a group and we just raise an honest sincere question and then people realize this is a question that our group is not allowed to ask and so The punishment might being new won't be allowed to be a small group leader anymore. Because we don't trust you anymore because you admitted that you have this question now. Probably a lot of other people that question through but they just hadn't admitted it or it could even go farther where people are at the face the possibility of excommunication and and there's not just the theological dimension that but that often means separation from family and friends. I in the beginning book. I tell the story the young man who came to see me he was a pastor. He he dared to question what most of us would consider an extremely esoteric doctrine of his little church and And he was kicked out and among the people who kick about were his parents and his gra- one grandparents so you can imagine how devastated.
Canceling Christianity #482
"Everybody hi guys well from beautiful salt lake city utah. It's thank god. I made this the podcast. I'm frank feldman and i'm dan beecher and coming up to day. Dan cancel culture and the bible. We're you never know who's going to be cancelled next. it is it is a mad world of cancellations. So we're gonna ask ourselves in light of what's the doofus on fox news fox news He bill. Hemmer bill. hemmer that you know. What's next the bible sure. Let's take a look at the bible so we're gonna get to that in second show and but before we get to our the rest of the show dan we need to announce something. That's coming up for our patrons. Yeah we're having a patrons only livestream on march eighth at seven pm. We're holding a little. That's going to be monday evening. Those mormonism we're headed to the mormons. Call it their family home evening but We do not promise you'll night dorm and family friendly not a promise. F h e With all So yeah i mean there's so there's plenty of time that's on the eighth of march so there's plenty of time for you guys to sign up as patrons if you if you want to be a part of it. Anyone who was who got to be part of our new year's eve. Oh tuck you uh so. Much fun knows that it's a lot of fun. We won't have all the guests that we had for that that was that was a spectacular. We're not doing spectacular. We're doing a livestream but it'll be a lot of fun so all you patrons Have that to look forward to. We will send you an email if you are a patron yes Or something males and you'll know how to how to access it interesting. You go go sign up on patriot. Go to thank god of theus dot com. If you want to and you can sign up and be a patron and then you get to be part of it. Anyway been jam. Yeah we do a show. There is plenty of show coming up. Asha dan this last week. Dan yeah the Iran's supreme leader the ayatollah ali khan manet. Culminate khameini maynard. That's what it is I've heard that before. He was asked a question. Dan oh very as you do. You wouldn't want to ask him questions a wise old man of a nation And so he was asked is is absurd and this is how it was asked is observing job meaning wearing a headscarf women wearing headscarves necessary for characters in animated films. So fairly been like like the you know. It's an officially islamic country. that's it's a theocracy right like it is run by the iran's clergy. I mean they have they have a democracy ne- not really no pretend this pretend thing but really the ayatollah calls all of the shots and So they yes. So they've they have regularly opposed foreign movies and television series Coming into the country that that portray women without jobs right if there's a woman and it doesn't have a job. They don't want it right on their television or in their movie theaters right so apparently there must have been this gray area. I mean someone would have to explain like how this is even coming up but he says although wearing hijab in such a hypothetical situation. I don't know what's hypothetical is not required per se because you can't where if you don't exist. Continue observing. her job in animation is required due to the consequences of not wearing job. Oh my god so yeah. The there's slut. Merida in brave needs to cover all of that bouncy curly hair or they don't wanna give women the ideas like what if what if it was just flowing free i like. Where is this line drawn. Does smurfit have to wear a blond flowing hair. yes and it's actually human. Yes but there's an origin story. Dan she has a hair. She starts off as evil character in like created by guardrail. Right it's not remember. And then she goes to the to the smurfs. And i can't remember what evil she tries to conspire but she has dark hair. It's so awful right just dark hair. and then. When papa's murph makes her good she gets blonde hair. Isn't that terrible. God she's g becomes white and delights. Who knew the animators on that show where i just wanna wear. This line is drawn because like does a main character in an animated film who is a cat but is clearly a an anthropomorphized woman cat. Yeah does she have to wear the job yes dan. of course. there's no. There's no loopholes right. There's no else you listen to restrict everything in every dogmatic religion is all about what loopholes are. That's the funny thing with like extreme islam. It doesn't seem real me. Just go hard nose there. Any question with that in new john. What's what's the what's the most restrictive answer. I can have that one. The one of what iran is up til yes all right. Well not to be not to be outdone indigenous. I'm gonna. I'm gonna talk about a catholic school in sacramento california these sacred heart parish. Obviously a wonderful school. I'm sure has recently build some children. And what did they do. And here's the thing dan. They didn't do anything. I surely surely will angel. No they literally didn't do anything all in a family expelled. Not because of anything they did but rather because their mom is an online sexy lady oh and nob- and other moms were were in a tizzy about it really jackson. Yeah so she's she's posting videos. She's got pictures. She's got multiple so like. She does sexy photos but not naked photos on like instagram and other public insurance and then also has an onlyfans pay Where where you presumably. You can see her in her altogether. The photographs are taken by her husband apparently largely now and apparently she is able to earn a hundred and fifty thousand dollars a month. Doing this. I thought you were going to be outraged thousand a year. That would that would be. I would be what a month. Yeah oh my god woman is raking it in. And she's attractive but she's like you know middle aged attractive married. I think he's very she's very pretty but she's like you know she's our age or whatever that now. I want to start an only bent listeners. If you would pay to see my only fans please write love me now. I should do that. Don't do a secret. One for frank to it'll be an fans that frank doesn't know about so you guys let me know if that's something that you could do it a little extra cash.
419: Unrushed Edition
"This week's episode. We cancel the bible before it school. We ask rush limbaugh if he has any thoughts about the administration. What was that rush. Nothing better georgia reminds us how georgia they still are. But i the diatribe doesn't have enough graveyard games. I know that might strike people a weird observation. But there's actually something deep here. Follow me with this. The world would be a better place if we spent more time. Fucking off in graveyards and that actually used to be pretty normal. Apparently not too long ago. People largely treated cemeteries like public parks. They were popular picnic spots all the way to the nineteen twenties and it wasn't all that uncommon to see like your kids running around playing tag in them and shit and we mostly stopped doing that culturally because we were pushing people to go places that costs money nowadays ready much. Nobody ever goes to cemeteries rally. I mean some people. Go there to mourn but i read somewhere that the average number of visits a grave gets after the first year that the person is interred like over the entire lifetime of that grave is one is apparently we hardly even use them for morning anymore and as a person who enjoys wandering around cemeteries i can say from experience that unless you show up on the day of a funeral. You're pretty much never come across anybody. And that's a shame because cemeteries are gorgeous. They're filled with history and their great places to think about death now. I know that that last bit is the reason why most people avoid them but it turns out that's actually worse reason to avoid them than the fact that they're filled with history see contrary to the common assumption and contrary to my own assumption until i started look deeper into this should thinking about death actually makes people happier very consistently including and one might go so far as to say especially when it's one's own death that they're thinking about now. I'm sure that this depends on circumstance right like if you're contemplating your own mortality because that trains coming off oh fast and you haven't gotten out of the ropes yet. I don't think tracks the same but reflecting on the fact that you die at the end of this story is actually really good for your overall happiness. This is borne out again and again in studies. I don't know if there's like a definitive word on why but there are several reasonable. Hypotheses really helps you keep your current problems in perspective in encourages you to slow down and smell the roses it project to forgive transgressions. And get over your grudges. I mean it could just be that you'd like flush all the sadness and melancholy out at once but one way or the other. It tends to make us happy. And that makes me question a lot of options. I've had about religion rachel. I always assumed that one of the main reasons that people cling to religion is because robbing them of fake immortality forces them to contemplate death but if contemplating death actually makes people happy that changes the calculus a bit. I mean maybe. I always assumed religion discourage people from thinking about death's finality because it left people unprepared for questions of their mortality right. But what if they're against it for the same recently discourage masturbation but stuff. What if they discourage it because they know it's a source of happiness. I mean i don't mean to sound conspiratorial here but i'm reminded a brave new world. We're like everybody was terrified that if they stepped out of line they'd be exiled to a dreaded island where they'd be isolated from the rest of society and subject to those terrible tropical storms that they'd seen the news footage but it turned out that living on a tropical island is fucking awesome and terrible storms are just a very minor part of it like like for so many people to thought of contemplating. Death is actually so much worse than the thought of death. And look i get that. It might sound weird to tell depressed people to cheer themselves up with quick stroll through cemetery. I mean he sounds like a fucking threat. Actually but it's really good advice and if you want to get the most out of it don't just pass by look at the headstones. Read them think about who those people were. And what your headstones gonna look like clear. Some weeds have a picnic place tag. I mean look. I find the whole practice of saving are dead people to be weird to begin with i. I'm intending to donate my body to science and of science can't find a use for it. I can donate it to the nearest fucking haunted house. But if we're gonna have those places anyway we might as well get some use out of them and to be honest. I feel like everybody should be cool with that right. I mean if you actually think your loved. One is somehow attached to their corpse. Would you rather they spent eternity resting in a dour s empty place that kids run past or a place bathed in laughter. Happiness and nerf gun fights you know. And and i should emphasize that this isn't just about our personal happiness though. That should probably be enough every time we contemplate death without all the bullshit crutches the the churches and mosques try to stick hundred. We're taking another bite out of religious power the more willing to embrace our mortality. We are the less religious people have to fear on our side of the fence. So you know if you're like me and you're not motivated enough by your own potential happiness. Do it for spite special musical within joining me for headlines tonight or the era gorna gimblett a my legless. Ethan right knee. Lie bosnich fellowship. Are you ready to step back in. The ring never felt die podcasting side by side with a ginger thinks. He's not.
The Great Commission with Tyler St. Clair
"Special guest is the lead pastor at the cornerstone church in detroit. Scho- tyler sinclair. Hey how you guys doing. Glad to have yawn man. Thanks for taking time out of your busy schedule in having the conversation appreciate it. My pleasure. Mock leisure well today. We decided to discuss the great commission. But i like to get to know a little bit more about you. Tell us a little bit about your scherf. I'm gonna give you the long and short of my journey. Yeah i'm born born and raised in detroit michigan. I grew up Grew up at a situation that we It's pretty common Single parents and the In the city and struggled and ran the streets and the very similar story a lot of people That are ministry six to reach In the city of detroit but I born and raised in church. But i decided at the age of eighteen and my infinite wisdom that i was done with god. Donald church didn't want when have anything to do with this Beings that i thought was irrelevant in my life and Yeah whitten On my birthday when got got got a tattoo and decided that I'm done One one year later one year later. I'm asking jesus To say before for my fans and surrender my life to the lord. Jesus so what. A difference. A year year makes so they age of nineteen. I surrendered to christ and What what struck me was My church experience was Church with the destination church. Which is the place that people came. I thought it was just a social thing. I thought it was just something that people came and did and got their religious goods and services and when i began to read scripture sure I saw that there was. There should be an urgency behind the church that there should be a zeal and the desire to see people come to know and follow jesus and to see people From the wrath. Adjustment of god. So i think i for this is this is different. What i'm when i'm reading a scripture is different from what i'm seeing and what i'm experiencing and So i i got saved In september of two thousand and one in december just a few months. Later i was telling my pastor that i feel called to ministry they nineteen years old and everyone thought i was insane And i felt insane. But i knew that This burden at the lower had put on my heart with something. I couldn't took away until i got older Like i experienced Life transformation through the gospel. Jesus and i wanted that for everyone that i came in contact with since since nineteen. I have been Like old thanks for say running for jesus and it's been a wild ride and i've just seen so much of the lord's grace In the last twenty something years of kind of know about this tattoo was it. Like i'm done with you. Got a tattoo like it was it was it was. It was just my my my Rebellion me sticking my flag in the ground. I i gotta i gotta t and then. After i became a christian. I change the ten talk cross. Of course so how convenience. It was just This was hey I'm outwardly a rebellion. I'm choosing a life without you And that was a sign of that but Thank god his grace. He's gracious in carnegie and he caught me to himself and save me from myself so college. The tuesday curious the great commission. Let's let's start that matthew twenty eight we've got the great commission eighteen through twenty Mark fifteen sixteen says the same thing. the message basically is go out and preach my work Why do you think it is that you're the one that's supposed to do this. So i love the great commission. And it's been a passes that i've referred to when and and and and basically human oriented my life around this great commission and the part that i think we often overlook is The beginning part. Before right before get right. Before jesus gives the great commission inverse eighteen Verse eighteen matthew twenty aching and jesus Came and said to them. All authority in heaven and earth has been given to me so jesus is making. That's a very big weighty statement. All of the all authority in the entire universe has been given to me
The Atheist Experience 25.08 02-21-2021 with Matt Dillahunty and ObjectivelyDan
"Nature and by the way over the last week. Folks in the austin area and in texas in general went through the The worst and most freakish winter storm in history as far as we can tell freezing temperatures for a a week pipes bursting power outages Just way too much. And what i want to say. Is that behind the scenes. I couldn't have been more proud and more happy. Even though i was miserable. I never lost power at my house and i kept wanting anybody who didn't have our to come over but there was two inches of ice in front of my place and no big it out and and dan will have a story about that in just a moment but the people in the atheist community of austin got together. And we're making sure. Hey are
Rushin' to Hell #481
"Buddy hi guys well from a beautiful if snow crested salt lake city utah. It's thank god. I made the podcast. I'm frank feldman and i'm dan beecher and coming up on the show today dan someone. I hoped we'd never have to talk about. We pretty much always avoided this person. Yes i don't know how we. I mean i'm guessing we've we've put we've put him on the show at some point. Yeah but what. A great man has died owned We're going to give him the sendoff. We hope he deserves. So we'll be talking a little bit about about brother limbaugh later on in the show up. You know diedhiou no gear up. Put on your your boxing gloves. And let's get ready for that all rush hussein limbaugh. That's right that's right. You heard it here first. All right well dan. I have a covid. Nineteen story as has become tradition on. Thank god i mean theorist it's still out there we're still in the middle of a pandemic. Just anyone was unclear about that. You can lower your guard yet. It's not over. And if you love traditions as much as i do sure then Yeah this is a good one because we like to look at stories of where Misinformation and where religion in particular has caused problems with the corona virus claiming that religion has caused problems problems yet. Well this is a story that took place down. in brazil. Were is a very large population of indigenous people who live in villages and There's also their reservations as well And they're in you know. There are some very secluded groups Yeah a lot of them. Don't want any kind of contact during. Yeah exactly there's also this thing with christians where they feel this the necessity to go find basically anyone who will listen right. And they've totally exhausted. You know All of us in in this country and throughout europe and everywhere else right like you either have what you want. You don't have a religion or guys to listen to these people. They they are desperate to find somebody who has not yet been bothered. That's what they're looking for. You mean you guys haven't been bothered yet. Oh have we got some bothering for you. Well this as. I said this is a covid. Nineteen story so what could possibly go wrong when you send a bunch of christian missionaries out to indigenous villages And covid nineteen is going on Might not be exactly what i just set up. It's the these groups These villages missionaries are sort of imbedded there They have chapels and they are preaching and they're converting right and these missionaries ended up being trusted sources for information And absolutely should not be Especially in light of the fact that they have been warning the the the villagers against covid nineteen vaccination against taking the vaccine general not taking the her In on on the south francisco reservation in the state of amazonas The john mati villagers nailed it. I'm i hit all the letters so Recently actually chased off health workers. Who were awed coming to you. Know give them the shot The the Chase them off with bows and arrows when after they landed in the in a helicopter And is the officials. This is a quote from an official. Who's in the know He says it's not happening in all villages just in those that have missionaries event chapters where pastors are convincing people to not receive the vaccine that they will turn into an alligator or other crazy ideas. He said what are you fucking. God it it's not just you shouldn't take it because you know jesus for some reason it's just lying there literally. They are knowingly lying to in their defense telling them that bill gates is trying to get a microchip into you. Is it going to fly. They don't they don't know what you're talking about. You gotta come up with a different light than that all other. Yeah yeah i mean. Frankly if i'm being totally honest from what. I've read about bolsonaro there the president of brazil. Yeah i'm shocked that anybody's getting a vaccine in that place in the entire country right because he's he's like worse than trump was so you go Christians going out of their way to make sure that people are unhealthy and unsafe. That's that sounds like a mission statement. Actually right right. And they're on a mission so perfect good lord. That's infuriating well look. Let's just make infuriating the theme of today's show. Because that's all i got for you I'm going to start in new york. The state of new york Where i you'll recall. We reported on this by the way this was sent into me by a listener. Named oh i am. I never remember to thank people this lynn. Thanks for this Story anyway in new york one of the major health insurance companies. That was available to you if you were for instance going through the health mart. The marketplace the affordable care act marketplace was a group called fidelis care which until fairly recently was owned by the catholic church Now the catholic church sold this company and basically for a tidy sum. we're talking in the billions with a b. Oh wow so. They had lots of money. But here's the problem when you're the catholic church you don't want to appear like you have lots of money because of the lawsuits have been happening especially since recently. New york gave a year of Basically the statute of limitations doesn't count. You can come back and sue or having been raped or molested by a priest so income the thousands of lawsuits against the against the catholic church but they apparently squirrelled all of the money from this giant sale of this insurance company into a new foundation called the mother cabrini health foundation and basically said. Oh that's not does not available. That's not money that we can access so that they can try to avoid paying all of the settlements or at least you know so. Four of the eight diocese of new york have already declared bankruptcy. But they're saying that you know the billion the four point something billion dollars The that they that they got from the cell of their set from the sale of their insurance company does not available. We can't we can't do that that that that money wouldn't save us so we're just gonna have to sort of sort this all out in bankruptcy court and hope everybody gets a little bit of money. That's cute that's durable. That's yeah no no not at all makes total sense right am i. You know no of course all of these things. Act like their individual entities diocese of rochester. Is's of buffalo no. You're all part of the catholic church as is this fund. Get in there and pay these people the money that you clearly them that will not make full restitution but will at least make them a little bit more whole because your institution is responsible for their molestation you know. That's god's money. Yeah but what. I do find interesting though. Is like an organization you know that like Blais they'll you know they'll shame individuals left right and center right for sure. Make people experienced shame and You know the preach repentance and penance and whatnot blaming you know. They should take a book a page out of that book right. Yeah well this is hard. Look at themselves right.
Clean Slate with Todd Harrison
"Hello this is todd. how can you hear me. Okay i can. I can welcome back. Mr todd harrison. How you doing man. I'm doing good. How about you fantastic fantastic and all surviving staying indoors. Yeah good for you. Yeah that was blocked at netflix and amazon. Or sky man. Yeah amazon's doing real well to absolutely a generics anyway. So let's see here last time we talked. I don't even remember what we talked about. Maybe a little postles maybe a little bit of what you believe Let's just go ahead and start fresh like nothing ever happened. Because i can't remember the word of event sounds good to me. Why don't you go ahead and start off by giving giving us a brief description on why you are a christian at this point in time and how you got to it okay. Sure well. I grew up in in nominal church That was more littered surgical and then then alive and so when as a teenager. I just rejected it locked away. God was irrelevant to me I i i wouldn't say totally disbelieve. But i i can't say i believed in god can't and in fact i i did try. I tried hard to To not believe i. I went into science and university and You know as young person that has a huge effect on you because you kind of that We used to say tabula rasa. You're a blank page. So you kind of go into that. So in my particular university was was kind of radical so at some of the radicals that got kicked out of the states in the late sixties and early early seventies ended up in regina my home home university. Yes so i. i thought it was leaning to marxism. I got involved in transcendental transcendental meditation to kind deal with anxiety And i was a science majors. So i was definitely evolutionist All of those things. All of those things. And so i said to my girlfriend. One time i said. I said you know we're just we just animals. You know we live we dying and that's it it's over right. And so she just burst she just burst into tears in in cried for a while and so i decided not to bring that up again. So anyway We kind of had a long term relationship Actually a number of years five and it kind of came to a point where we had to do something about it and I entered. I went into education i entered. I did not have a good internship. I didn't know it at the time. But i'm adhd and there was no such diagnosis in those days. So so now. As i've been an educator for almost forty years but Apart from god that would never happen. But anyway. my internship. Your your You can't think linearly your executive functions are limited But you have a great imagination. So i used to start my homework about midnight. Eleven o'clock till four in the morning then go to school. So that wasn't a good pattern but anyway that's all. I got to university. But i i walked out. I went back for my last semester. And i i walked. I was there two weeks. And i said i'm done with this I was three months short of a double degree. And i just packed in and walked out and i took a job. I said i'm going to get a real job. And i took a job in a on a seismic crew. If you know what that is that's oil exploration and I was stationed in the arctic on an island in the arctic ocean called island. Yes so i kinda jumped out of the front pan into the fire and Yeah that was really interesting. Yeah so so. I flew up. I'd had a couple of friends who've done it before. And they told me what to wear. And so what the by. So i was prepared but i tell you the guy got off the plane and i saw those guys out there. The wind was blowing. It was like fifty below february. And they're out there unloading the plane. And i'm going my god. How can you work in the eight o'clock the next morning up there. It was actually. It was a good experience. I actually did two seasons but what did happen Gonna had my girlfriend got mad. Because i never discussed it with her so after five years i should have talked about it. She got mad and she moved out. She said well i'm gonna move to. Though she moved out to the west coast of vancouver island she was a nurse and she took a job nursing there so so our plan in money up north. She's gonna earn money there then. We're going to backpack europe. Because you know it's the seventy so. That's you
418: Everything You Need to Know Edition
"Should come as no surprise to anybody that a guy in the fake education businesses hard work the opposition to fake education. But it still pisses me off so yes some lying asshole that works for deneche. Desouza sold college. A christian bullshit takes issue with american atheists position on education but since american atheists position on education is unassailable. He actually had a makeup some different bullshit. Opinion that nobody on earth ever had and then assign that to american atheist and then take issue with it which would be par for the course of the mother fuckers at newsweek hadn't printed it but since their standard these days seems to be has words in it. They did so. Let me back up to the very important point. In american atheists made back in january. Obviously one of the most visible effects of the pandemic for parents at least are the repeated often sporadic school closures. The efforts to make distance learning work on the fly of source of perpetual consternation across the country but despite all the growing pains it's actually working out really well for some students and some parents so that combined with lingering fears that a lot of folks aren't taking disease prevention seriously enough has led many parents to give homeschooling second long-term now in the interest of full disclosure. I should point out that i was home. Schooled for a big chunk of my childhood. And i learned a hell of a lot more in those years than i did in the ones where i had to wake up at six. Am and listen to a tennis coach. Reid an economics textbook at me so when it's done right as phenomenally. Good way of squeezing knowledge into kids. Heads that being said. It's not done right all that often. So i was home school because my parents recognized that my inability to refrain from telling people to fuck themselves was problematic with both by teachers. End my peers. And they said it was getting in the way of my education and they were right. Far more often the impetus finding out that schools are teaching that we did in fact evolve from filthy monkey men so homeschooling becomes a convenient offramp for people who don't want their kids to know facts even worse. It's a convenient offering for physically abusive parents. That don't want other people to see their kids on the regular. And that brings us around to american atheists see. It's entirely possible to preserve homeschooling as an option without opening up to these perversions. But since those perversions are so often the fucking point. A lot of states are hasn't in act rules about mandatory testing review of the home environment and standard curriculum requirements afro. As soon as you do that you're well on your way to force your religious parents to admit that evolution is real and both political parties are hesitant to do anything at all about that. Which is exactly why nick. Fish president of american. Atheists felt the need to bring it up. See thirty eight of the fifty states have no requirements whatsoever about the qualifications. Instructors need to teach in home right. So so if i homeschool school hires. Let's say a spelling teacher to come in. That teacher could be eli okay. Forty one states have no requirement for evaluating student progress at all and just in case any laws might accidentally apply to homeschooling thirteen states off rep religious exemptions to whatever poultry requirements exist. In fact only arkansas. In pennsylvania have even gotten around to enacting laws to prevent homeschooling in households. Where one of the adults has been convicted of homicide aggravated assault rape or child abuse. This is not a small problem. American atheists press release pointed to a twenty eighteen study that showed thirty six percent of kids. Being withdrawn from public schools were living in likely abusive families. And that's to say nothing of the abuse done when you deprive a kid of the kind of education that they're going to need to take care of themselves in the modern world in other words. It's exactly the kind of thing that you want. A civil rights watchdog group american atheists raising a stink about and that brings us to this stories and tag hall glaister. Later is an associate professor at king's college in new york that which is like a real college except with religion instead of information i mean look. It's one of america's two hundred and twenty one finest liberal arts schools but it's still obviously named a trick people into thinking. You went to the one in london anyway so glaister writes this whole stupid fucking piece. About how much atheist hate home schooling. Because i shit you not. We hate it when kids spend time with their fucking parents that was his. Take away from all the statistics that american atheists offered up about you know physical abuse and lack of educational standards that we hate a love. Here's his actual fucking line quote. It's unclear if these secularists are afraid of children having more time with their parents in general or only for those whose children are completely detached from public schools in whose parents offer religion within the curriculum. He's got to be one of those two things that were pissed off about. You couldn't more clearly. Mischaracterized the objection if you interpreted the press release as nick fish claiming his penis was the emperor of mars. But that didn't stop glaister from claiming it and it didn't stop newsweek from promoting it and it is half ass attempt to demonize something that was gonna you know sound scary to as base. He wound up signing his name to an article. That indirectly attacked an effort to hold abusive parents accountable.
Can You Reason with Unreasonable People?
"The power of language the language that we use every day. It's kind of a billboard about ourselves. Saron identity can tell people where we're from our family history our age what our value system is. I don't just mean words. Either i mean cadence and pronunciation and sentence structure the great courses plus as a whole lecture series on this that goes deep into the power of the spoken word. It's taught by dr valerie freedland. It's called language and society. What your speech says about you. And so as we talk today on the show about conversations about conversations this series can help us better understand how our vows and continents can reveal other people to us and also reveal us to other people language in society.
It's all a Setup with Ed Burdette
"Back with us for a second. Time is the host of the one year bible. Podcast ed burr debt. Welcome back to the show. Ed thank you so much. Glad you glad to be here again and greg you. Yeah thanks for coming back man. How's the podcast and the book doing anything new. I'll man it's It's continuing on what like the The new element of the podcast really is weekly episodes on fridays. Where i get to do a devotional about a different passage each week and so inch has kind of been like you know just looking at different angles at something and and Getting to get new perspectives and new insights and so that's just kind of continual discovery process for me that i really love. That sounds fun man. We do that on fridays. then i'd say it. Yeah yeah so there's a. There's a daily reading release so that seven days a week but then on friday we do special episode where we take section of that as reading and then we look at it a little bit more in depth and rather than being a straight up just reading of the bible. It's it's some looking into it and some analysis. That's always fine doing that. Yeah that's cool. Cool fun well. We left off last time. We were talking about All over the place where all over the place mainly liberal theism and non belief and whatnot. I think i kind of want to start off with. What are your thoughts on atheists on those not like me. Nonbelievers thoughts There's mean definitely met folks before who who share that That belief and i guess. I guess just kind of top of mind. I think globally Y'all are in a very small minority true and yeah so You know. That's that's kind of i thought and then i don't really have kinda broad impressions other than that Mostly just enjoy enjoy understanding. You know maybe someone something you know what a beliefs on holds about kind of like a case by case person by person you know just chatting with adnan and talking it over dry like we're doing now yeah exactly. Yeah for sure definitely. Do you do think that eighth east deserve punishment for their non-belief. Oh i mean. I think that when when You know i just think of the first couple of chapters of the book of romans and where we're paul laying out this. Hey like the structure of of the way that the world is made is such claims that you know everyone kind of has to go also to To understand things about god And so he he's kind of saying like you know the evidence is out there and and that we're all we're all presented with it In a way that they're you know there's something to that they're there what we're answerable for that What we've been given what we've been shown interesting referred to jeremiah. Thirty three three call to me. And i will answer you until you great and unsearchable things you do not know. So is that kind of you. Know five call to ya where he's already shown himself to me so therefore i deserve to be condemned because i've seen and i should have believed that point but i chose not to. Oh i mean. I understand the great and unsearchable things those would be. You know maybe related to some of the stuff that paul writes about in in that section of romans but but i mean those i think the great unsearchable things just might be Not necessarily related to the line of arguing of like. Hey you know. Why do i believe what i believe you know. Or what what basic beliefs do i have about reality. And the structure of the universe cosmos. I think that's more kind of like the the arena in which paul is making a making a case rather than like the jeremiah passage. That's how i read them. Gotcha so we've seen him as far as creation creation is enough for us to believe that y'all way specifically the one that did this. Oh i think it's Remember exactly what's written there in romans. But it's something you know basically like you know god's got divine nature and whose power. So how specific we could get from creation itself You know i'm not you know. I'm not totally sure about that. So his divine nature and power. This is something you believe that eighth me is an unbeliever that i've already witnessed in some sense. Yeah yeah. I think we've all witnessed it
#524 - Former Pentecostal Believer
"And that is pete guston that you just heard introducing the show and i just didn't episode with him so if you want to meet that guy you wanna find out about him. He's on the most recent episode of the show. Fun fact about him. A lot of people don't know this he's blind and an absolute bad asset his job Steals most of the work in land out there the guy he will literally. And i'm not. i'm not exaggerating. And i say literally on purpose he will literally do forty or fifty sessions in a day. Wow i mean back to back to back. Six radio stations in iowa foreign california three in oklahoma. He's the signature voice for fox news. He said he will be at the beach because he he's a surfer as well a he's got a youtube channel called the blind surfer and he'll be at the beach surfing in his phone will go off and he will have to use his accessibility and he will. He's got this sort of makeshift recording equipment. In a van in a car and he'll sit there pull a towel a towel over his head and rip out a quick voiceover for fox news and send it to them within four minutes of them requesting. The dude is in saying how hard he works in such an inspirational story. He's got a whole documentary about him on his youtube channel. I really want to go back and listen to that episode. it's called meet. Meet the show announcer or meet the podcast out on. Meet the announcer something. It's it's the most recent show but definitely will check that out. Guston is an amazing dude. and We just geeked out and talked a lot about voiced off in hollywood and didn't really get into religious or political stuff because he said it behooves his career to avoid those topics. And i totally get that. So yep but he didn't turn me down and he also didn't turn fox news down so his words he's just a voice hooker. That's what he said. Today is a voice hooker. so he doesn't care so. I woke up the other day ready to watch. I was excited because the tv show was on was going to be airing that day. I wake up like seven. Thirty in the morning. And i was like. This is too damn early to be up on a saturday. And i saw just you do the same thing. I'm sure you check your phone when you wake up and then go out. Good nothing happened. Yeah twitter didn't let trump on. We're fine. I check my phone. I got a text message from my neighbor. And she's like he. David you left your car out on the side. I'm not sure if that was on purpose. So in the building where i live. There's this weird parking situation where the main road is right outside my door but to walk to my car is like a two and a half minute walk inside. You know gated parking garage and so anytime you bring groceries home or stopped to get food or anything. It's just easier to stop on the side. Run the food up up the stairs and then drive around park. Otherwise you're gonna be carrying or making several trips and it's just a pain in the ass and a lot of people who live on here do it technically. There's sign out there that says no stopping but literally everybody does. It's like every door dash every youtube of every youtube. Every uber driver every furniture delivery every appliance repairman. Everybody stops out there and so we apparently loaded groceries in. And then i was on like three hours sleep and i forgot and i left my car out there and i got a seven o'clock in the morning i see the techs john a bit of like. Oh my god i can't. We left my car there. So i get dressed. I run down there. Let's gun. Wow and i was like okay. It was a blocking anything. It's a. It's a huge area. Hugh you walk over there all the time yes see. It's a huge area. I wasn't but i was like they. They told my car. I know they told my car and by the way it's got my only two jackets in it succeed and so i call the sheriff's department. I'm like i know they told my car right here on the street name and like i know they towed it and they yeah yeah they towed it. They said they said they knocked on your door and they really try like look through your license plate. Find your address. Came to billy knocked on doors. Nobody knocked on my door. I appreciate him trying. Gum going above and beyond. Nobody knocked the promise you made. Dogwood lost her shit. I'm jolted out of bed constantly for amazon deliveries and all kinds of stuff. So there's no way they not the my door is again. Though the the cop put in the report they knocked on the door. Yeah they didn't though. Okay so check my my security footage my ring cameron. They go walking by. And when it's motion activated so the walking by here the cops going. Bmw to remove the card. This doodle. Here pull over in his car. They're talking about cars out on the road but they're just walking by. Yeah and then they walk by again and leave. They never knocked on my door. I think they went to the wrong apartment. They were trying to be nice. Just went to the wrong door and went outside. And so i'm like oh just mix up you know. I'll just go pay whatever it is to get my car like. You shouldn't be at much. Ha ha any guesses. Michael five hundred dollars. Bingo michaels had his car to a lot of people in la. have apparently. it's kind of a thing. So they're talking. I think the La county wants two hundred dollars for the release form because clearly that was difficult to write and then it's forty dollars a day storage And get this if your car gets towed at
#523 - Meet The Show Announcer
"Probably been listening for a long time like you guys reach out and say man listening to your show for eleven years or seven years or six years. Occasionally i get someone come on and say i just found out about three weeks ago. I'm like what but that's cool. It's awesome and that's why. I keep doing the same shows. You know sometimes in the similar arguments in similar discussions because somebody just found me like right. Now is their first episode. They've ever heard but there is one more person than hit that you have heard just about as much as me on this show and we've never talked. We've never actually had a conversation. It's a really weird dynamic thing. And and i just wanted all of that to be organic. So he's waiting on hold right now. I am so honored to finally introduced to you in real time. Someone you've heard on this show for. I'm not even sure. How many years now. Six or seven years. Maybe i can go back and check but some of you may know him as
WWJD with Shelby Seelinger
"Today. Special guest is the author of do what jesus would do. Welcome to the show. Shelby ceiling Welcome thank you for having me. I appreciate you being here. Appreciated it so tell us a little bit about that book of yours. Well the book is a told my my wife when i finished it. It's the longest sermon ever written Back in back in the dark ages. When i was going to seminary was about the time that W w j d what would jesus do was making the rounds and write. A lot of conversations can seminary about that and i had a serving the church at the time and and we discussed it. A lot and i had several servings on it and i got to thinking about it and i said well. That's an interesting question. But what's the answer. So i took twenty plus years and and the last four years in in writing the book and and decided to finally answer the question And so that's the genesis for do what jesus would do taking it from a question and then putting it into action. What did you find out. I'm just dying to know well It's something. I had had preached on for a long time. And it's it's taking well it did was i took the beatitudes out of matthew. Five and just took that part of the the sermon. It's the that whole series of Verses and chapters is the largest single piece of Literature that we have that jesus spoke at one time. And i said well i can't do the whole thing so i wanted. I looked at it. And i decided that the beatitudes the heart of what jesus i think was really trying to tell us. This is how we should treat one another. you know. be kind to one another Help those who are less fortunate than ourselves and put into action. What jesus ministry was all about reaching out to others one person at a time. So you've taken this one sermon. This one on speaking of jesus and this is this is what you are politics for these jets. They always at the same time. I'm recording if taken this one sermon and this is this is how you are viewing. Jesus you're taking this and this is going to be your Interpretation of his character is and and and you're taking you blessed are the poor or the meek and and people who suffer essentially exactly exactly and I cover a couple of other things. In in the book you know the the power prayer And those kind of things and if if you look back in if you're if you study the words that The bible uses blessed be. I mean that's a blessing. So jesus is really saying you know you're blessed if you if you do these things so that's that's really you know. Today is all about getting something out of it. Not just doing something we seems like. We have to rewarded when i was a kid Mom and dad would say if you clean up your room you can go out to play or you know nowadays if if you If you meet your quota at work then you get a bonus that by doing what jesus asks us to do. We are blessed in ways beyond just getting to go out and play or get a bonus from work.
Episode 396 - The Satanic Temple with Lucien Greaves 2021
"Welcome to another episode of nomads. I am destined. And in a little bit. I'll be joined by lucien greaves from the satanic temple. Four we get to the interview. You have one announcement this week. Which is episode. Four hundred is coming right up around the corner. The hardy on three ninety six. So we're right there so we'll be doing a livestream on saturday march twenty which is the spring equinoxes this year. So they'll be pretty awesome times. Timing works out pretty perfect for that so might as well try and make that a little bit special have twenty twenty one equinoxes party celebrating four hundred episode of the podcast and the twenty twenty twenty twenty one style. So sure i should be should be a lot of fun. i did. Start the precedent with episode one hundred of doing a hundred minute livestream and then episode. Two hundred was a two hundred minute. Livestream in episode. Three hundred was three hundred minutes and episode. Four hundred will be about an hour maybe a little longer. It's going to be normal episode. I'm not going to be trying to go four hundred minutes. That would be ridiculously stupid and insane so not even going to bother going for that so but it on your calendars The link will be up soon for it on an atheist. Nomads dot com slash. Live and i will be trying to books and people to join us for it and it should be a lot of fun so be sure to check that out on march twenty at two o'clock. Pm mountain time. Whatever the hell that is in your time zone we are now joined by lucien greaves from the satanic temple. Lucian welcome back atheist nomads. Great to be back in a while. And i said back yes because you were last on episode ninety three which was nearly six years ago. What episode will this. This is going to. This is three hundred ninety six foot. So yeah it's been. It's been a little while so when we last talked. Well actually i guess before we even get to that. How did this. What is the satanic temple. We didn't cover that the first time. I think we did six
#522 - Christian Missionary in Africa
"For years. I've had discussions on this show in writings on blogs debates dreaded comment sections of multiple youtube videos and what not about logic and reason about atheists having the monopoly on logic and reason i would say hey guys because a lot of people would tie logic and reason into intelligence and agius would come out of some sort of belief and then automatically think they were smarter than every christian they ran into and i would butt heads with him quite often and then again. I would be on live debates with christians and they would start to tell me that they believe. Christianity is a logical and reasonable worldview. And i would push back on that. So a lot of people have been confused as to how i can live in the middle somewhere and my guest today wanted to talk about it. He's been on the show before We're not going to share his name. Because of his Position he is a missionary and africa. I believe in mozambique. And that's all we're going to say and things are a little touchy over there. So we're not gonna say his name he's been on the show before so it's kind of weird for me introducing. Somebody doesn't have a name. But please welcome i anonymous missionary friend all the way from mozambique. Thanks for joining me today. Thanks for sheds will be back with you. Yes so you're on patriots on so i appreciate that. Thank you for the support. That's awesome and i'll let you as you're in the comments talking with people. I'll let you tell them you know i'm sure you have a username or something on patriot. i'll let you tell the patrons on your own time in the comments section who you are But we don't need to put that out to the public for sure so Yes so so first of all our things over there is it still just as volatile as it was is it. More is a little more calm. Now what's the what's the temperature now. As far as dealing with christian missionaries and these individual groups that might otherwise. Put your life in danger Yeah things are calm down a little bit. The the military heroes become a little more active than pushing back and so things aren't as tense as they were middle last year. But right now we're dealing with displaced peoples situation where there's hundreds of thousands of people to flee their their homes and their land To get someplace safer and so a lot of them have settled in our town that we live in. And so we've been doing quite a bit of work to star trying to provide soon tarps and blankets things that people need to just survive all right now so the need is bigger than anyone church or one group can do But that we're trying to begin. And i want to say for the people listening. I always try to go clean up the audio afterwards if there are glitches and blips and a little bit more static than normal. It's because you know. We're literally talking halfway across the world. So i would ask everybody to be a little patient with us What's this world internet over here. Yeah what's what's their reason for like. Are there specific groups and we probably talked about this the first time we talked but but just kind of a refresher on this like why is it so dangerous to preach christianity or or attempt to proselytize. Well it's yeah. I don't wanna be overly dramatic. It's not so much that That were in danger because of our message. It's just there. These groups are just that the source of the conflict really is unknown. People are debating right now whether it has the identity of religious extremism but people. Some people think that's just a cover for guys being able to get guns and rob other people that poverty is flying. A huge role ness their lack of opportunity. That that's actually at the rue des and they're just using religion as their their cover or to get attention from
Yahweh is the Danger with Ed Burdette
"Today. Special guest is the host of the one year bible. Podcast ed bernadette. Welcome to the show. Thanks for having me. Thanks for coming on things for accepted the invite appreciate you being here man You tell us a little bit about your show. The one year bible podcast. It came out of an idea a few years ago Two thousand fifteen two thousand sixteen where. I decided that. I wanted to read through the whole bible and it was something that never done before and so i got one of those one year you read the bible in one year bible's divided up that way and i thought he good way to kind of keep myself going. If my energy and motivation was flagging would be to to try to make streak of it and record these Daily readings and just post them for anyone else might be interested and you know. I'm very thankful. I made it through the whole year and then just realized that. Hey this could be continue to be useful. And so that was Was late two thousand and sixteen when it started Into into two thousand seventeen in the last couple of years. I've added a friday. Devotional know a once a week type thing where we take a little bit of a deeper look into a part of that day's passage that winds up with reading through the bible in a year so So that's you know. That's the backstory to wear that that came from and it's really been a labor of love Ever since that first year you know. I haven't followed on posted the episodes but i haven't followed on with reading through in a year but have been Just really encouraged. I think to to keep going with it. And i've gotten just just Used every so often the a wonderful email from someone saying how it helps them encourage damage. Shine some light on something. That was helpful So yeah that's That's where that podcast came from. That's also i listen to one I think it was one more. Ma more recent ones and the way you read through is it's so fluid and and wonderful honestly. I can't even get through my intro without screw up ten times. I don't know how you're doing. And do do i do i do edit So world or gag or or something That doesn't make the final cut. Well you know. I mean i i understand that i i. There's another guy who does a youtube stuff. Bible says what guy. He doesn't same kind of thing he does a little videos and whatnot with it Did you start off on genesis. Because i know you do three separate different verses Read from three time. that's it yeah so So the the beginning of each year does start out a reading from genesis so delayed the way this particular one year. Bible's divided up. You do a reading from the old testament reading from the new testament a bit of a bit of a song. Maybe a wholesome and some proverbs and you that every day so in In in january you find yourself in genesis working through and then by the end of the year you know in the new testament revelation and Yeah that's how it works through. And they were lots of different plans that were through lots of different ways. And you know pros and cons to I think all of them and so this is just one that worked out well and Yeah but that's that's how it's all set up interesting definitely interesting way of doing it Backing the longtime ago. When when i was a believe i never actually sat down to read the bible and that was definitely one of the things that opened. My eyes was sitting down and reading it. It was it was like going through. Genesis was difficult for me I had a hard time connecting the dots and whatnot. Is there anything that you've read so far with your journey through since you hadn't done before or anything so far that you've had an issue with food there are lots of things that you know i'll be reading. I'll think i don't. I don't understand something that i'm reading And i think. I mean that must come up for. I have imagined for anyone reading the bible. I mean reading it from this distance in time away and and the end of the great cultural distance away. There must be things i would. I would have seen him Anyone in any culture today reading it would just say this is something that is strange or i don't understand and so at that at that moment i think that's just like a very Kind of a decisive. A decisive moment. There where it's what. What am i responsible leads. You know to that to that. Like i don't get it And you know off the top of my head. I'm not thinking of anything where it's like man you know. This is something where i really. I really struggled with this. I really Just don't connect with it or don't see how it is that way What what i've learned to do you know. I think i think honestly like part of this journey of wanting to read through the bible was really Is really about trying to get to know. God better and so this this sense of okay. God is someone who i can talk to I can you know. That's that's prayer. And so if. I'm if i'm reading something that that is in the bible that you know i believe is god's word and it's something that i don't get i mean there are there are people who are older and wiser than me say things run just like i don't know about that and and and yet and yet at some point it comes to like you know you've got more Years on the trail and You know there's there's i i've seen you i've seen you be trustworthy in the past and so even though i don't get necessarily what you're saying now i can kinda go along with this. Okay i trust you as a person
Is Cancel Culture Real?
"Thinking atheist it's not a person symbol an idea. The population of this country is going through the rule rejecting challenging the sacred. If i told the truth. It's because i tell the truth because i put my hand on a book and mehta whisk and working together for more rush russian all world take the risk of thinking for yourself much more happiness fusion. Wisdom will come to you that soom nothing and start. Thinking is the thinking atheist. Podcast hosted by sandra's. I need to talk this out today. Is
Episode 395 - The Church of Satan
"Welcome their soda atheist nomads. I am dustin. We're definitely gonna have some news today but we're going to start off with dust enough degree right after this quick That i was on the zach relig- podcast so you can check that out. Got the link in the show. Notes to his podcast. Check it out. We caught up. I was on that show back on episode seven. And they're now on. He's now on to forty two. So yeah check it out and hopefully you'll enjoy that lord might be joining me for the news but we'll see but for now let's get into dust enough degree so
Republican Congressman vs. David C. Smalley
"Let's jump straight in. Because i want to bring our guest in on the conversation immediately. He's a former congressman from virginia's fifth district he's now nc are is chief strategist and author of bigfoot. It's complicated which. I really hope we have time to get into and i really hope. He's still a republican. Let's find out join me in welcoming denver riggleman to the show. Thanks for joining me today. Sir thanks for having me sir. Oh well you heard that with us for the first time it just came out moments ago. What are your thoughts. So i'd like to state as we start here. The president trump reid tweeted a few months ago that the joe biden. Kill seal team six. I think god you're right. No you know. That's and that's what i was when i was listening to that speech after what i heard Down near the white house right before the siege on the capital. In fact that i've been in. Congress have been in the house. And i knew some of those people that spoke like madison call or mo brooks of talked to many times Don jr. meant obviously rudy giuliani I've met obviously and and what i really saw. Their david was absolute Language to incite really. It happened over the months and months and to hear that right now. My my first reaction is not really a politician but as an intelligence officer and something counter-terrorism like somebody's very afraid of the senate trial for impeachment. I thought the same thing Michael came in a few seconds in michael goes. Looks like a hostage video like he looks like he like. It's not really his words. He just feels the need to say these things he had to. I mean you know. The thing is is that his his term does end. I know that there are some people that are still listening to pastures and trucks talking about biblical prophecy that president trump is right now hidden a bunker and mike. Flynn is going to be the next vice president but by the way that's true. I just saw this video two days ago. One hundred eighty five thousand likes david on a facebook video from some dude in a truck saying that you know he's a pastor and had biblical prophecy and he just went through the whole cunanan thing and i just shaking my head about the ridiculousness out there. But he still wants to keep his brand to. He's got to make money. And how's he going to do that. And i think there's a lot of things you need to worry about. And that speech was the copa. That was so too late and show not anything that he said before that very hard to believe men. You're spot on. I mean. I i you know about damn time is the first reaction and then does he even believe the stuff he's saying is the second reaction So late you know so late to the party So that so that my listeners have a little bit background as to why this conversation between the two of us is so important You know you're you're only a former congressman because apparently you weren't conservative enough for your district right you. You lost to someone who was far more conservative and on top of that. I've seen you. I've seen pictures. Anyway of you officiating. Same sex wedding so you don't sound very republican the to us sir. What's going what's going on over there. Why are you so open minded and logical. You know when iran. You know. i've only been. I don't know people know this about me. I was i was a ceo. sell my company in two thousand twelve doing counterterrorism and counterintelligence work. Could you know not. Only that i can. I can go back in time. If i told you the crazy stuff. I've done like we mission plan. The first bombing runs death in afghanistan for nine eleven. that was our squadron. It was me Oman training omanis on. F16 sixteen operations in two thousand and ninety nine. I was on. The romanian serbian border for operation. Allied for trying to stop ethnic cleansing. I've had a hell of a life and that's just the beginning counter idea. Actually our team that was tracking sulejmani and two thousand six two thousand seven so when people saw my resume like this son of a gun never been in politics before when i ran as a republican i was asked to because the my predecessor had to resign because of alcoholism. Which is a little ironic. Since i'm going to stiller. I one on accident one by one. Vote against a christian. Dominion est They called me a baby killing sodomite But i thought if if practicality and i was a good guy team player like in my military days voted independently when i had to I thought i would see that. I care about people more than the career. Because i didn't need the paycheck and sadly after the same sex wedding david conspiracy theory started about me that i was working for soros to turn children into alternative lifestyles by funding schools. To teach that doug gay sex was okay. And that i really started saying cunanan was turning and blossom and this was back in twenty nineteen and since my background is in you tracking isis and al qaeda and disinformation and radicals. I said this also looks like that. We have almost the same type of thing here. We have people that are using language of dehumanisation and antisemitic. Tropes to go after people. And you know it's like a lot my book right. It's about bigfoot belief systems and take over people's lives so really been a hell of a time for me. I never thought that My family we get death threats You know i never you know. I never thought that. I can tell you this. Now that somebody would remove the lug nuts are in them all up on my right front tire at a rally where i came out and felt funny and took it to a shop and look like they tried to hurt me pretty bad so this has been one of my life has been like for the past two years david. And guess what athem you know. This is what they want to bring it. Bring it because i got fifty acres of distillery and i'm a second amendment guy and but i'm also a free thinker and pretty socially libertarian. So i don't know where. I fit bud
Christian Debate Champion vs. David C. Smalley
"My guest today is really going to take me back to a debate. I had A few months ago with randall. Rouser known as the tentative apologised where we talked about is is it rational to believe in christianity order the christian faith. Rational and. I'm excited to have him today. So please join me. In welcoming cooper right here to the podcast he cooper. Thanks for joining me today. Thank you david for having me on so in the pre show you were telling me you actually heard that debate that i had with randall right. Yeah so i was a little frustrated by both of our performances. In that debate to be honest with you felt like we kept talking past one another. I didn't feel like i was able to get my point across. He kept sort of the thing with randall. And i like him by the way. We follow each other on twitter. We share a lot of the same political views. I like randall. But being in like a match with him or some sort of discussion like that specifically some sort of formal debate. He tends to want to be the wrath. While he's fighting and throw a bunch of flags and say that i'm committing fallacy and a fallacy of rather than dealing with the actual discussion. And i i find that frustrating. Sometimes and i felt like. That's what kept happening. He kept telling me that. I was arguing for something. I wasn't arguing for. He wasn't really adhering to rappaport rules and it was it like an uphill battle to me but What did you think of the discussion david. I'll tell you one of the sympathies. Have with a lot of debate. Is one of the things that i met can be. Frustrating about debating is is. They often like to have very elaborate answers to a question that should have a pretty simple response whether that be a yes or no question or something that that is more directly related to the question you asked instead. They might have a habit of where they wanna about something else. So it can circle to something different. So i i kinda saw some of that going on debate. Which is where. I kinda sympathize with your position. Navigating that Of course you know. I do like randall as well I think he has some phenomenal ideas But i i understand why you probably would have been frustrated by some of that debate. I think my biggest thing. And if i were talking to him by the way i would say the same thing so i'm not you know. This is all public eye problem. Saying what i would say to randall but In fact i was getting ready to do a charity. Thing and randall jumped all over in wanted to be a part of it was going to help me raise money for someone. He's he's an absolutely one. Forgot that the thing that the curveball. I couldn't get around. Seemed to be that i kept saying. The belief itself is an irrational belief. Because it's never happened before know dead people. Don't come back to live and die if you have faith. That's fine say it's on faith but to say it's rational doesn't make sense. He would then say. You are calling christians irrational and i kept saying no no no. I think rational people can occasionally have things that they believe. That are irrational. Without making the person as a whole an irrational person they they with rationality day in and day out. They walked to their cars. They put their key in their door before they open. They don't just repeatedly tried to walk through it and say something's wrong with my door. They use rationality all the time. And i felt like he was trying to make. It seem as though i was attacking a people. When in fact i was just saying the idea itself doesn't follow basic logic and reason and i hope i made myself clear in that but from randall's responses in the moment that it didn't seem like i was successful in doing so. Yeah so on that particular issue when you look at. Is it rational to believe something whether or not someone is rational or irrational. Doesn't really matter what matters is the way they come to such belief rational And so you know. In that position out of argued why think a believing in a resurrection would be rational Or why come to that conclusion. Be rational in order to disprove the point. Okay so so so before before we get into that Tell us a little bit about you. What is your background. What is your denomination In in how how did you get involved with things like this. Like reaching out to even you know here an a podcast or to be an atheist speaks with believers like like. How did you find me. Are you a part of an apologetic ministry. Like what's your what your story so probably one of the more significant qualifiers for myself if you would is did collegiate. Debate didn't high school to for about five years. And i've won two national competitions in debate so my overall personality is one that likes to be a to likes to question who likes to discuss in. Who has an earnest desire to figure out what is true. And what's false. So you're you're in literal debate champion. Yes yes says. I've won two national titles as a as someone who did debate. Yeah
Progressive Influencer vs. David C. Smalley
"Today we're gonna talk with a content creator. I'm gonna kinda give you some behind the scenes of what goes on in creating content on multiple platforms but then we also have a little bit of a disagreement. And i want to dive into that too and again had those nuanced conversations that you've come to love as part of this podcast so without further ado let me go ahead and bring on the guest. Please join me in welcoming bun daddy to the podcast. It's look. I told you it was going to be cheesy applause. Remember i said that. i'm elliott. Yeah you're familiar. What i've been around. Yeah that's the podcast. That's you know for some reason. I've i space that for just a second and let me just so so let me. Just tell people how i found you. I i came across one of your videos on. Tiktok was life changing for me. it really was. It had a had a major impact on me and it was really empowering should say and then so i followed you on tiktok you have a huge following and it kept growing and kept growing up over six hundred thousand followers or something and at one point you went live and i joined your live and i heard you say oh david smalley just joined and i was like she knows who are you and how do you do and then we started. We started talking. And you're like is listen to the show. I devoured countless hours of the show and probably still scratch the surface because countless hours. Listen to one episode. that's you. I can count them usually about two or three but so how'd you remember how you found the podcast and was like a super long time ago. Yeah no it was. When i was. I had just had my deacon conversion experience from my christianity. And i was literally on whatever podcast app i was using. I searched different Buzzwords like atheism. And i there were a couple of different secular and search for dogma and yours came up as dogma debate back when it was dogma debate and i kind of like i thank my teeth into it because it was so it was ground level. It wasn't anything that i had to really have a lot of. You know like. I had understanding both sides of things but it was an unintimidated thing to approach as opposed to many other things that i had experiences right. That was that was kind of the goal. And that was the goal when i wrote my book to every atheist stuff. I found anything that was either atheist based or christian based or debate related. It was a lot of times. It was really intimidating. It was really. It was like richard dawkins level big words on top of big words on top of concepts on top of things. Like solipsism and methodological naturalism and part of me would just kind of glaze over and go. I don't i mean. I'm sure these aren't complicated subjects but it it didn't feel inviting and so i intentionally wrote my book in a way that would be inviting in and created my show to be the same way. So it's it's great to know that that that it did have that effect. Oh absolutely i mean it was definitely the first kind of it was the first big like involvement or investment. I had in anything in atheist community alongside a couple of other ones that i kind of pieced together and picked and pulled from different episodes of podcasts. But this was the one that i had playing over and over and over while i worked so cool brings a huge mall my face thank you for that. And it's it's kind of crazy because you know that had an impact on you. I'm honored i'm flattered him so glad that that happened and without even knowing that i found you and you had an impact on me in my personal life and so the fact that we were able to connect and now i've become friends is just just a wonderful sort of closing the full circle within the universe. it's it's really a beautiful thing and i have. I finally found the original video. I found of yours now. A lot of people out there may be thinking. Yeah i scroll through tiktok. Sometimes it's just a bunch of teenagers dancing and it's stupid. Unfortunately that is the case for a portion of the app. But that's there's so much more on tiktok. There are so many Political movements and you know people just inspiring each other and thought experiments and magic tricks and skills to learn if you want you use the app for a while. It starts to learn your behaviors in learn what you like and if you do the right things and like the right things it will guide you to really really good content and and. I'm glad that i did that. So i want to play the video that i that i found of yours. That made me a fan. Okay this is. This is deep stuff. And it's just so it's so insightful. And i feel like it. It's it's so palatable in a way that it is generic yet specific enough that if this is happening in someone's life they can definitely Apply it in the right areas that that's what's so great about it so i'm gonna play the message right now. He co q. something. I learned in boating school ak therapy and books. We've all heard people say you teach people how to treat you. And basically what that means is you are responsible in your relationships for establishing and enforcing boundaries that other people have to follow in order to maintain access to you. Those are really key distinction here. And that's the difference between responsibility and if a meteor lands on my car and decimates it. I'm not faults. I didn't do anything. But i'm still responsible for getting myself. New car or mode of transportation because taking responsibility is not the same as accepting blame and the same goes for relationships you are responsible for setting and enforcing your own boundaries. But you are not at fault for someone's actions overstepping those boundaries. You teach people how to treat you by taking on the responsibility of revoking access to you when they don't respect your boundaries. You don't teach people how to treat you by accepting fall for things that other people do.
"I remember being in first year university. And encountering feminism in a new way. I'd heard the mutterings of it around my home. My dad was deeply involved in feminist. And the intersection between mental health and the oppression of women and it was in my first year university that i started reading. Feminist writers reading about feminists thought and really starting to develop my own relationship with the movement. And i came across the work. Of course of the second wave feminists who were advocating largely for women's right to work outside the home and it was thrilled about this idea. That perhaps floored by it. That it had always been that way really starting to wake up to inequality and i remember having a conversation with my professor one of my professors who said. Don't you understand the limitation of that facet of the movement. Don't you understand that. Class and employment and race and socioeconomic status are all deeply woven into each other that disability capi separated that race can't be separated from this push for employment for women. And i remember feeling perhaps strack that i'd missed this and this professor went on to say you're missing something important about the work of equality. If you're missing that a community and entire community of people particularly black women were not advocating to work. Outside the home they had been forced to for generations in slavery and that they and their ancestors had been exploited. And so there's a. There's a discrepancy between the feminist movement. And this call to examine culture as it intersects with gender and that really blew openness identity for me of a more complex way of understanding. The person and oppression. I understand the privilege that i have in having to learn about that in a higher education context and what the limitations of that our for me and not having learned about it sooner but that really began my interest in reading woman's writers understanding a more complex way as i said of understanding the person but also of this movement towards liberation. So i wanna toss it to nikki. I'm i love to hear your thoughts on on woman. As what is women ism. That term might be familiar for a lot of our listeners. And foreign for some of them to can you tell us how you understand it and why it matters. Yes so When i think of woman ism i of it i contextualize it with feminism or put it next to feminism because feminism is an easy reference. Most of us know what that is happening idea of it or have Heard the term in may even have some feminist thou us Whether we acknowledge him or not. But whereas feminism tinge to Really just always compare itself. Compare women to men woman ism doesn't at all woman ism Is women loving women that is specifically in exactly what it is. It's about women's to other women specifically black women In our relationship to each other. And so when we're having conversations within women's on really addressing men we are not factoring them in really. They're not a part of the conversation. That's not to say that they're not important. Beings within society are within the family structure. Or you know whatever community where in but that's not what the conversation is about so you know will will talk about addressing the needs of the most disenfranchise most marginalized Oppressed person Woman ism will address a reproductive justice. woman is Is conversations about how we're caring for each other and how we're you know what we're doing within our communities To see to it that everyone is taking care of
Witches and Demons and Priests, Oy Vey
"Every buddy. Hi, guys well from unseasonably chilly Salt Lake. CITY UTAH. It's thank God i May theus. podcast I'm Frank Kelvin and I'm Dan Beecher and coming up today Dan. We've got an interview with Andrew Gold. podcasters documentary guy journalist. T. TV percent presenter for the BBC really and all around fascinating cat. Yeah. who is going to tell us uh spooky ghost story. On goes he's GonNa tell us a spooky demon story. So even better than. That works for Halloween, which, of course, it is today. ooh. there. What what what's your bet? We'll anybody come to your door wanting candy. I'M GONNA GUESS NOT Not where I live. Yeah. But like probably very few trick or treaters in general because know. Tis Net. Now, you could get something really spooky like a global pandemic disease. So, there is that. But before we before we we talked to Andrew. We gotta get to some news. Dan's some stuff that happened this week. Big Old world out there. I've got a story about some some witches trying to do something about all that trying about trying to trying to help out in the World Oh. Okay. Trying to normally think. And we're things once went wrong. Okay. Yeah, this last Friday. Thousands of witches across the country. decided to cast a binding spell on Donald Trump. And ensuring his failure in the upcoming election in just a couple of days actually. Oh my gosh. So that sounds time. I hope I. Hope it works. Slow. Sometime you know. What's the thing about? Strange bedfellows. But nonetheless. Yeah I. Apparently. The you know which is have been working against trump even before he was elected the first time I remember there being a story about about them trying this that first election. I not overly confident that they're going to be able to succeed judging by their their past record. I don't know. Well, I mean according to this Article Damn that I have pulled up the number of which is in the country has been on the rise. So if it's a numbers game, they probably have a better chance than ever Yeah researchers looking back. You know to nineteen ninety estimated that there were only eight thousand wiccans in the United States. As of two thousand, fourteen, that's not you know. It's not yesterday but the Pew Pew Research Center. Estimated there were somewhere between one and one point five million wiccans or pagans in country. This is Dan I mean that's good margin of error for them, half a million people but. I'm just GONNA. Say I think that that right there those statistics are proof that the Internet's a bad thing. What the people have. There's so many more people calling themselves, which is at this point shut up. I mean unfortunately. I. Don't WanNa make too much fun of of which is or make it too personal but I know of at least a couple women here in Salt Lake who were out casting spells this weekend. Getting which I don't know if it was I don't I don't actually have a lot of details about whether they were participating this, but I would assume so but I think that that there's something interesting for happening in a country right when you go from eight thousand. Thirty years ago right to possibly a million and a half. Five years ago, right? Wow. Like there's something you don't know what people. Obviously there's a disenchantment with religion in general right and so this is maybe spiritual but not religious type thing right where people are Kinda, they wanNA feel a connection. Right. And I think to be honest. It's kind of fun I mean. It feels like it might be a little feminist in ways right absolutely and and so and I do think that that's part of the draw of of wicca is that it is a feminist or or or at least a woman positive in which in the religious world is vanishingly rare. So I'm I'm all for it on that front. It's just. I would love to see like numbers on Wicca, and how many wiccans Like are genuinely believers in these spells and stuff and how many just think of it as like you say, kind of fun. Yeah. I mean. But if nothing else they're really freaking out the Christians which I think is fantastic.
"Hi everybody. Hi guys well from somewhere in Oregon and Salt Lake City Utah. It's thank God I'm atheist the podcast I'm mark and I'm Dan and. Mark Hello pay there now. You're not frank, I'm I'm not anymore. I have emerged like a butterfly from Christmas. From the Frank Shelf Christmas and the Frank. No thanks. That's right Thank you so much for coming on and and help out you you who have helped out here before but are also my co host over on the how do heretic. As much as well as other things I, guess you sure you've in the in the world not that I pay any attention. To the most important stuff Yeah. Unfortunately, I was going out of town and frank was going to have to find a replacement for me. And then, and then frank came down with some horrible apparently non-co vid disease. And and I had to fill in last as far as we know, frank does not have the Rona. Dead. Yeah it seems. It seems as though he is negative though false negatives have occurred in the world. So but anyways, prayers in that seed money coming in. Yes exactly basically, the only way to save him is to is to send us a all of your money. On the television screen, we'll tell you how to do that a later in the program also later in the show you and I are going to have a discussion about persecution privilege. And There's a difference between those two things and points and purpose purpose qwerty. So the four pence perspicacity yeah, which is also Yeah. I anyway, we'll get to all of that later on but in but first, why don't you tell me one of your stories I understand that you've come prepared with with stories to tell the kids you know me I'm already I've got a pocketful of magic for everybody so. This, this will probably relate a little bit to our discussion later in the show. Daniel Okay and this is an older article, but it's been making the rounds again because of reasons. Okay. Yeah. It's an article in the Atlantic by Emma Green and it's about. You know the most most persecuted people in America and those would be. Christians. Of course, they will let me. Let me read a couple of excerpts from the article here in. Many. Many Christians. Believe they are subject to religious discrimination in the United States new report from the Public Religion Research Institute and Brookings. Offers evidence. Almost half of Americans say discrimination against Christians is as big of a problem as discrimination against. Including blacks and minorities. Three quarters of Republicans and trump supporters said this. This article is like a year and a half old. So imagine it's much higher now. And so did nearly eight out of ten White Evangelical Protestants of the latter group six and ten believed that although America wants was a Christian nation, it is no longer a huge jump from twenty twelve. Forty, six percent of those surveyed said immigration from Mexico and Central America has been too high in recent years. Yeah. When asked the same question about immigrants from predominantly Christian countries though only ten percent of people said immigration has been too high. The irony in this is essentially the same question phrase student as Latin American countries are overwhelmingly Christian. Right. All those all those non-catholic Mexicans that are coming over our border. Yeah exactly. Well, who didn't Alex Jones we talk about Alex Jones saying that Mexico was run by a bunch of white shoes at one point but. You know. So Then to kind of conclude. While the US, is still a nation of faith with roughly seventy one percent of adults identifying some kind of Christian. Religious organizations of all kinds are struggling with lower levels of attendance declining participation in ritual practices. More and more people say they're not part of any religion and this is especially true of young people in their twenties and early thirties with you. Guys if religious believable believe their institutions are declining, which demographically speaking they are they may feel more threatened by what they perceive as the growing numbers of people in the country who have a different kind of faith. There's evidence of this in the strongest style. Many people seem to feel for the past and allusive time when Americans felt more of a consensus about their values and beliefs strong majorities. Evangelical Protestants in White Catholics believe America has changed for the worse since the nineteen. Fifties. So off the one, thousand, nine, hundred, Eighty s Jim crow women knowing their place raging cold war nuclear arms race the good old days as Back Yeah back when we could win when everybody's lives were so much better. So this is a lie that just will not die. Like this Christian persecution complex Oh. My God it is amazing and we're GONNA get to more of it. We're going to expound on later in the show like you alluded to but my God it is. It's astounding at what's really funny is. The Christians believe that it is a due to outside influence that everything's getting so bad. Not at not at all acknowledging that, no dude, the calls coming from inside. Right. He's leaving. You are doing this. Yeah. First of all. It's not true that you're being persecuted but part about right believing. You're doing that. Yeah exactly because you're persecuting. They're not leaving because the world outside of Christianity looks. So enticing your leaving because the world inside of Christianity is a an abusive health gape. Maybe work on that you