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Texas Mayor Believes Women Should Be Silent In Churches
"Down in Town called Wiley Texas. I'M GONNA say it's how you would say that. Why are you It's kind of in the dfw sort of metroplex whatever somewhere in that somewhere in that area. Somewhere I sense of it. I didn't really look closely tech. Most of Texas is in the The Dallas Fort Brawl. As far as you can get it is amazing like it is honestly truly amazing. Any who their mayor Who is described in this article that I found as a magician Minnesota wild this is a triple. He's got all of them. That's that's the dream you guys. I don't know what what you guys wanted to be as kids but I'm pretty sure we all wanted to be magician. Minister Mayor just seemed impossible and this man has done it so Kudos to him. Well they one of his city council members a man by the name of Jeff Forester And the mayor's name is Eric Hogue should he be wondering He he emails him and says mayor over the past five weeks members of youth with a mission have been walking through Wiley and praying over our city and citizens. I believe this is a great testament to the youth in our city and devotion to God with your permission. I would like to ask a couple of the young men to come to our next meeting and lead us in prayer before. Let me know your thoughts and I will arrange to have them come. Jeff Okay. Youth mission all right. Yeah walking around praying what what good. What a good thing for young people to be doing what what productive work? Yeah and so the mayor response he says. Hey Jeff sounds good. I would like that all I ask. Is Those leading the public prayer? Be Young men. Here's why I make that request as a preacher for the Cottonwood Church of Christ we take the the two versus below literally the puts them in here I Corinthians Fourteen thirty four to thirty five a let your women be silence. Silence in the churches for it is not permitted unto them to speak but they are commanded to be under obedience as also Sayeth the law. And if they will learn anything let them ask their husbands at home for it is a shame for women to speak in the Church. And then yeah. That's that's one of those ones. Where like when Christian started to like I I would like when I hear about a church that follows that even though I think it's a horrific stupid right because at least you know that's one more that they're not being hypocrites about right so so there you go mayor with me. Yeah then then I Timothy two eleven. Twelve let the women learn in silence with all sub subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach nor to usurp authority over the man but to be in silence and so there says so. I have always requested that. A man lead the invocation. I understand. Not everyone may agree with me. But I can't go against my conscience but I would love to have the group count and visit with them and then let a couple of guys leader. They're just just. Don't let any of those lady you come in and pray ruin everybody's doing well first of all. Here's the deal. Does he understand the word? Literally we'd be starts off. He says that we take these two verses below literally and the nurses are talking about church. Yeah and well as teaching everything that's literal about. These says absolutely nothing about a prayer at a city council meeting he. I I think I think he's. He's also looking at the spirit of the law which just women shut up no matter what you know. There's the letter of the law. But if you're really GONNA hold to the word of God shut the hell up ladies than don't talk about liberalness right anyway. So this is all leaked out And I WANNA know who leaked it. Do Okay who leaked it? Oh No oh it's gotta be somebody's wife. Right I the other Jeff Forrester the city council member. I my is He. He thought that was kind of weird right and laughed and chuckled about it. And you're right but I mean this is like will here's the deal. Wiley Texas DOT GOV. It would have been easy this public record. They were using both of them. Were using their official government email and so I mean if somebody wanted to just request them get their hands on them that you're not doing if you've got a a pastor or priest or you know a minister of some sort in an in an official position in your local government. Somebody needs to be doing. You know FAFSA requests of their up all of their documents at all times for reasons. Because you're going to get you're GonNa Stumble on Shit like this all the damn time. Yeah again I don't know how it came out but it's really really remarkable. I mean first of all you know. We both clearly object to the idea of there being a prayer at the beginning of the meeting and all right. This absolute douchebag Maher who also I guess because of Cova There may there may election was postponed to November because the pandemic so the guys getting like some extra time in office. I think it's people who kind of pissed about that too so I love it here. Here's the other thing that I love. I love the idea that like 'cause we talk all the time about how in this country is unconstitutional. If you're at very least if you're going to allow anyone to give a prayer you kind of have to allow everyone to be able to give that prayer and that's the basis of many many for Lawsuits and whatever but does it say anything about the gender of the person. Because I don't know I think there may be something beautiful in will allow anyone to pray but you have to go by the letter of law you have to. If we can find something in your life we get to police your religion and it's An and you have to obey your religion. Exactly that'd be something great about
Arkansas coronavirus outbreak linked to church services
"Arkansas. Got a colonel virus outbreak. Going on right now because of a church Yup When you open up churches and expect them to do everything right. Some will some won't and the Evangelical 's in charismatics that are in the cult of trump are definitely probably most likely to be thinking. This is a real big issue because trump said it's not a big issue but it is a big issue but it's not a big issue but it is a big issue. Yeah so yeah. They had Arkansas Church in March six to eleven had thirty five out of the ninety. Two People. There come up. Positive is back in early March. It was still really starting slow. Spread outside of the the major coastal metropolitan areas but hit Arkansas. And Yeah just a couple church services infected thirty eight percent of the people that were there and then those thirty five people turned around and infected another twenty six people because of contract contact tracing that was done and it did actually kill three of those thirty five church members and one of the twenty six mostly family members of those church members that were infected and both the pastor and his wife got it as well which caused them to close down the church indefinitely on March
Olive Oil Used to Sanctify Stairs
"I believe this is a name. That's come up before is picture looks familiar and I kind of looked up his story his I. I know we've done some stories on him He's representative Matt Shea. He's let's see. He'd be a Washington state legislator from He he I had to look him up on Wikipedia Real Quick. He was an organizer behind One of the Bundy standoffs the one. So he's he's he's one of those he's like this ultra right wing got. Yeah exactly. I totally remember this guy. Yeah anyway he was at a protest out at the Washington state capital. Sure that that actually happened. Right on the heels of another protest which was done by the Satanic Temple of washing yea And so you know they were there. They were wearing their black hook. Hoods hooded robe. You know things And they marched through and around the building and everything and and that of course would ruffle the feathers of crazy Christians right. Yeah and that it is the point. Well Mr Shea knew that the the steps had been the capital had been slow lead and they needed to be cleansed of whatever this the statement the Satanic Temple people had sort of left behind the or the dog shit or on the bottom of their shoes. Whatever I'll create a Satan remover of any kind no but apparently as any good Christian would would think olive oil. Olive oil would cleanse the steps. All right he's anointing this alcohol now initially here arrived and he pulled out his olive oil and somebody at the capitol grounds on the capital groundstaff saw and confiscated it. They were just like no no. We know what you're going to do with this and no right presentative shade. That's a bad representative. So so he's limited way back to his office. Came back with another vile of all. You can't stop a dedicated Christian from doing something stupid and successfully smeared it all over the steps and he basically created us an oil slick on stairs. Yeah well and you know. This is a state capital so these these stairs are marble. Yay and what does marble like to do with like oils and that kind of stuff? It's a porous especially the kind of marble going to be on granite marble. It's GonNa be on the steps here. It's a little porous right. Yeah so it's going to absorb the oil. It's going to mark the step. Yeah Right. Marble is notoriously rough. Got To take care of it in very specific ways. If and if you have a marble countertop in in your kitchen tried about it you know what I'm talking about. Which is why everybody just get courts. You'll save some money totally on board I. I'm with you on that but anyway I have a marble surround in my in my personal shower. My my my shower and oranges. Yeah but you can't clean it with any of the cleaning you have to buy special cleaning products to clean it. What's the point? It's crazy any workers but you know I got a wife. That's an interior designer. I'm not allowed to complain about stuff like that. Anyway you just did so there you no so the Capitol Grounds Maintenance People. They had to clean this up and so they have sent. Matt Shea. A bill for Forty seven hundred dollars and and even with their scrubbing well because of the scrubbing. Actually the the the the steps are a lighter color than their surrounding steps and marble and everything sure they are and so. They're they're miffed. They're miffed. He actually vandalized and the state capital with some olive oil that takes Satanic Temple. People go back all the time now. Oh my God they need to just hang out there like rubbing their bums all over different parts of the floor. I know it's pretty right outside the door of his office. Just touch
Matt Dillahunty & Shane Isgrig Discuss the Separation of Church and State During COVID-19
"Something specific. You wanted to get to or if you just felt like diving in. What actually on the topic of church state separation. I have to say that recently since this pandemics begun. We've we've been seeing more of it than we have before you know when I see states like this one that we're in Exempting churches from stay at home orders. That that's something that I've a huge especially when people start making the argument the most frustrating when I've heard and I've seen it all over. Facebook is oh how can we can go to Walmart or we can't go to church. I have a very simple answer for that. Walmart has essential things like groceries. Church is not essential. That's why it's close but here in in Texas you actually are allowed to meet up at a church. There actually plenty of states doing this. And some of them are being somewhat responsible about it where they're still putting social distancing measures in place or some of them are meeting up in parking lots in doing something with like negga phones. I don't have such a big issue with the outside meet ups with megaphones where people are part but people are still meeting in buildings and it just really goes to show it like. I've been reminded more than ever why I'm such an anti-fascist I'm seeing. There's a city in Israel and I think it's pronounced a Ni- I could be mispronouncing it but there's a city that has a sixty percent. I think it is Ultra-orthodox population a refused to stop meeting for group prayers. And they're putting their entire city at risk and it's actually reached the point where that city has been closed off the rest of Israel because they they just can't do anything they can't get them to stop meeting. And of course the people being told they can't meet our. This gives them their confirmation bias about them being persecuted and in Israel the Jews who are having their synagogues out there being. You know they're calling the police doing that. Nazis and then you see the Christians in this country. They feel like they're being persecuted when they're told they can't meet up at a church and you know it's it's really disturbing to see but I also see a lot of Christians who were being a little bit more responsible and they're doing some livestream scenario doing some church be zoom or something to be effective. What we're doing here and I have to say if you're a Christian listening and you're doing something like that and your social distancing while you're doing your services props to you. This is something we agree on. Let's work together. You need to tell your fellow Christians. They are putting other Christians and of course endanger when they're meeting churches and then they're going out to the grocery store and things like that you know. I hope that the responsible Christians They surely do exist. Need to call out their fellow Christian brothers and sisters who aren't being so responsible has the reality is this. They're not gonNA listen to us. Were atheists but they might listen to you. So we're calling on you to help us out and I'm GonNa slight disagreement you know you. You didn't have that much of a issue with the megaphone. Let's fill a big parking lot and have everybody stands. Succeed away I kind of think that's the granted that's better than the alternative of having the meeting church but I kind of think it's just absolute bullshit in the first place because they still left home and interacted in an area with other people are they. Are they probably some of them? Probably going go to Perkins afterwards or or whatever they're after eating places if it's happened the open and you know we like. I heard Austin's mayor yesterday extend because this was supposed to last through the eighth but he's extended This data for non essentials to May thirtieth and AC is going to be having an election. This much was which means we're GONNA if we're going to do it. Like in a gathering than may thirtieth is the only time we can do it. So we're looking at other options to to boat remotely or have it like a zoom meeting type thing. I just if God is everywhere and God can hear your prayers. Then you can stay at home and do a zoom meeting with your village. Christians did not have to get in the car and go out and contributed to traffic and fuel costs and everything else to go. Stand in a parking lot with somebody yelling at yours megaphone. You would hear more. It's actually kind of funny for me right. Because I'm working on a video about Jesus feeding the masses and the notion that there's a couple of different versions of that and in one of the versions there are five thousand there to be fed and by and by this. It's very clear that it's five thousand men plus their family and one of the points I'm getting at is I've done Big venue theaters. You know thirty. Five hundred plus people I had the advantage of having microphones and sound equipment. And everything else the notion that in First Century in Judea That there's somebody walking around with a crowd of five thousand You know speaking from a hilltop so that it dissipates out which is the worst thing you would wanna be like in a cave. Where you get the excess. There's a reason why we out. You know the theaters the way we do But it just struck me as funny that you know you've got all this and you have at your disposal. The modern Internet the best way possible to interact with a wide number of people and yet still. You just decide well. We'll kind of halfway ignore the stay at home. Order will fill up a parking lot. Have everybody stand six feet apart. You know I it it is. It seems strikes me personally as just four show like like Jesus talks about Don't pray in public. Do your prayer in your prayer closet. This is the exact opposite of
Ohio Lawmaker Comes up With Unique Reason Not to Wear a Mask
"I I need to talk about something. Okay okay There is a Gop that's a Republican Yes Ohio state representative by the name of Nino vitale or trying to figure out how you save tally. Batali there. We go If not the correct right way He is Against wearing face masks surprise surprise. He's a Cova Denier And that to actually denies the existence of the virus. Wow I think he's one of those. Yeah I'm I'M PRETTY SURE. This is the guy Anyway he said that these the the stay at home orders during the pandemic and the requiring of wearing masks to slow the spread of disease would violate his Judeo Christian principles. leans heavily on one or the other of me. Judeo Slash Christian. But I can tell you what you want to. I don't to be honest with this one. I don't know which one he's leaning down because it doesn't make very much says one of This is the greatest nation on Earth. Founded on Judeo Christian principles. One of those principles is that we are all created in the image and likeness of God that that's that's in the constitution right it is and he's and he says this image is seen The most by our face I will not wear a mask k. uh-huh because he's covering the likeness of God. Oh I see yeah. He's he's encouraged his followers to defy the recommendations of Ohio's health director Acton He's says it is time to ignore the unelected Dr Atkins orders. Open your counties now before it's too late. This is not based on GIC. This is based on fear and propaganda and every statistical data driven studied done in the last two weeks says Hell. Death counts are low and the models on. This is more like the flu. Saying it's funny. Because I have been just puzzling over. Why of fucking virus could be a political football like how does this? How does the disease where a Republican or Democrat mass going? How is that and what I what I and I read a really interesting article. That actually helped me understand it a lot. Okay which was which basically talked about the fact that if we say yes. Government should be should have the right to and should be taking dramatic action here and and and they're the ones they're the right people to collate the data and make a make not only recommendations but orders based on the best information that we have. Then you're admitting the government has a certain has a certain set of roles and part of that is public health and somehow that's so unbearable to the political right of this country that they would rather just deny everything and just and turn it into this political thing. I hear your own people. You're only like these. Are Your voters if you you want them dead. I guess that's I know I. It's madness I if if it weren't if it legitimately truly was just their voters like if it wasn't going to spread beyond that like if it was just stupid and following them you're right I mean but but it's it's it's everyone else. It's all the vulnerable. It's the people were seriously and also the left right if nothing else. It's like everybody else's like no that's ridiculous and seems like at least in parts of the country. They're getting their way. But then it's GonNa be a fucking disaster and then what the does the system then see the light of day and go. No okay. We can't we can't listen to you. Yahoos right now. The world has turned into like it's not Democrat and Republican anymore it's conspiracy theorists add slash like cult member trump cult members. And the rest of US number them right. Maybe we'll see I. We have till November to figure that one
Atheist Experience with Matt Dillahunty, Nick Fish
"Know if anyone's been following the news But there's been some public health concerns around and You know when we first started looking at this I gotTA GUESS. It's been about a month ago now when. Debbie Kinda came in and said you know we were talking about Corona virus and you know seeing some of the numbers that are coming out of places like Seattle and we're starting to see some events cancelled and you know if we got any questions for people and almost as soon as she brought up we started fielding questions from members people who are planning on attending the conference saying you know. What's the plan is anything changed and So we really started talking seriously about contingencies. In what we were going to do Number one to protect the interests of are in the health and safety of all the people attending our conference rang. But also just I if things were out of our control or there were stay at home. Orders or large gathering vans as we're seeing now You know what we were going to do in the event that something like that happened and so we wanted to plan for every possible outcome. Wanted to make sure that we had something. We could do. Preemptively if we needed to But also that you know if things were taken out of our hands that we could respond appropriately you know. We made a recommendation to the board of directors which mad member in full disclosure. And we said we think this is going to turn into something really big and that it's going to be really hard for us to put on the type of conference type convention that the People in Phoenix expect in that are members should expect that we frankly promised them and that we want to have. We don't want to just have A. We had lots of contingency options we said if we could just do a one day event maybe we could just do everything online or most things online or you know. Let's figure something out but the more we talked about it. The less that seemed like a feasible option For the people that we wanted to put on display kind of you know the local activism that's going on Phoenix In all the hard work that all those activists don over the course of the last few years we think it's really important to highlight that and not being able to have a conference. You know gutted us but at the same time. We don't want people to have to choose between attending our conference putting their lives on the line And so you know we made what was when we made it difficult decision but as the days progressive we tried to kind of nail down details to make sure that we had a a plan. Moving forward Rescheduling for the next year to make the hotel was available for that By the time we spent maybe two or three days just trying to finalize those details things that escalated so far that it was the only decision we could've made and we were fortunate that we were able to make that decision. And you know I think it was the right one. So you're really saying is it was a damn good idea to bring deceiver email. Say that every day actually de idea but you know that's it's it's part of her job in part of what we do here is try to anticipate where things can go. Sideways Alison are other Vice President. Who Works in the legal in policy side? You know she does the same thing. Except it's Congress so I don't know what's harder to predict what's going to happen Fifty one state and territorial legislatures plus Congress or a brainless lifeless virus Kind of hard to determine sorry ahead cheap headed throwing a cheap trump. Joke there so debbie. How did you develop your psychic powers to determine what it was in our that? We were bound to have contact with people who are going to be wondering about what was going to happen. I just say like this was so stressful. It was really the most stressful weekend I experienced in. Weil was the first week of March. Went in saying like you know something's happening but by that. I think it was Wednesday of that first week of March is when I realized ship. This might be a big freaking deal and before we finish booking all of the flights and before we finish lining up all these other things and you know there were expenses coming up that we would have to commit to the AB contracts things like that. We were like we might not be able to have a conference. You guys what do we do? And we decided to give ourselves five days or something to see how things developed and yeah over that weekend. Things certainly escalated a lot. We were and that was the first. I followed the news closely and so all those earliest stories about what was coming down the pike where I was reading every single one. I could find by Monday. We were like well. This seems like a thing like I've gotten to the point where I feel kind of I. I wasn't paying enough attention because literally marched I. I was in New York City with my girlfriend. Having a discussion with the Nesta Sousa and she had actually been paying attention to the news. And I had not been doing nothing but like We're going to have this conversation. We're going to go to New York. We're going to have fun and so we're walking around New York City and she's like you know here's some hand sanitizer wash your hands. I'm really worried about this really and I was like You know it's it's not here and there's nothing and then we get back home and immediately after getting back to Austin. The news starts coming in about New York City being essentially ground zero for for Kovic introduction into the United States so we basically quarantined ourselves at my place for two weeks Just to make sure that we were a symptomatic and everything else and that was all happening around the same time the ACA was making decisions about DEFCON levels and ultimately getting to the point where there's nobody in the building although there's one person in the building right now and that's when the email came in to the American Atheist Board saying you know. Hey here's here's what we've been talking about. Here's what we're thinking. What do we think we should do? And I'm really proud of the fact Not only the deputy were watching this and brought it up at the. The full team evaluated all the possibilities and and came up with a plan that I think While it's incredibly frustrating for those people are like. Oh we really wanted to go to Phoenix I. I'm glad I'm not in Phoenix right now. I'm I'd much rather be at home And fairly safe but the plan was to not cancelled convention but postponed it for one year so instead of doing phoenix. In twenty twenty we will be in Phoenix in two thousand twenty one because that city and those volunteers and those activist deserve a good convention. And we've got a whole extra year to make sure Which means I guess you guys. Work just increased a little bit. Because now you've gotTA show up in Phoenix next year with like a two years worth of convention planning
Atheist Experience with Matt Dillahunty & Dave Warnock
"Dave warnock. You can find him at Dave Out. Loud Dot com the. Why don't you go ahead and let us know what's been going on since the last time you hear Dave? Well let's see that was back. Bat crews wasn't a tech September with over. Yeah Yeah we did the back cruise with you guys. And and then after September. We were travelling. We did Meetings are out west Up IN MINNESOTA UP IN Wisconsin went and did free thought. Tv WITH DAN. Barker you know Dan And we had all kinds of stuff going on meetings and then even beginning of this year at California. We're planning to be in Vancouver for the conference similarly just trauma and then we had planned for Europe in Amsterdam in England and all those places in August. Shut down as up here but it's just More of what dying out loud is become. Which is me talking about? My former life is a Christian and a pasture and now looking at a fatal disease with the As as an atheist and talking about dying out loud and living out loud and living your moments and so it's become a thing we've got all the stuff that we're doing and right now it's been put on hold except for these kind of things which I love this. This I was mentioning. I probably mentioned several times. I haven't touched another human being in Amman or more And it's you know being being in the house by Myself. Granted a friend of mine's living situation deteriorated and Sushi's moving into the guest room. Even though wing avoid each other but it could be maddening though. I don't know that I've ever been that I've ever spent this much time truly alone. There were periods of time where I was seemingly alone but I'd have like a roommate and or somebody that I would at least be able to interact with and it was. It was kind of a self imposed thing where I just home at this time. It's different and it's been rough but what's been I'll go ahead and say a godsend just so that somebody can cut that clip out. Later is the fact that we have technology so that I can do video chats with people that I love had people who I miss And I can also stream games on twitch and have a whole bunch of people show up and have conversations and interactions like that so most of the time it doesn't. You'll like that sort of crippling loneliness that I expected or that I even sometimes imagine of all the times in history for something. Go down while it's got to be the best time in history for something like that. Go down because more people are going to have more access. We get information quicker. We can you know. Find out how. What's the how the viruses progressing? Are we making a dent in lowering the curve and our hospitals being overrun know? What's the status on a potential vaccine or antibody test? We have quicker access to information and the ability to share it with more people and ability to interact. Even if we can't be literally face to face like I can't. I'd love to give you a hug dave and I can't and yeah. It's been hard on me in that sense too because a people person I'm very I get energy off interacting with people. I'm very much an extrovert And so having to adjust to just being away from people I mean I've been I've been with Bevin and we've been together and that's been great. I. I don't know how bad it would have been just to be completely alone But yet not being able to do the the The meetings in person and interact with the people and feed from the crowd. I the last one I did was early. March in Nashville. Actually my hometown but where I used to live But I had hard time adjusting to this because an indus going to be honest in a little bit vulnerable here this was a sucker punch for me because of what I feel like. I have a limited window of opportunity to do these things to travel and to be in person at events around the country and around the world and I was very much looking forward to not only the events but to seeing beautiful places because that was a big part of my bucket list. When I got this diagnosis a year ago was to see as much of the world as I could and to have a good chunk of the rest of my life cut away from that was You know at first. I thought oh I'm handling this pretty well then. I realized that my frustrations and anger even was boiling out in in it affected. It affects the people around you when you do that. And I was really not being my best self and I was really a came to the realization this past week or so that I was really disappointed in in in the quality of my reaction to this. You know I I I was. I would hope that I would have handled it better than I have. And learning more about myself. And and I'm I'm you know. I'm I'm a believer in in improving as a person until until I'm done I want to be the best version of myself the last week. I'm alive you know what I'm saying so I I just wanted to react to this better. So what would dave do? Don't do what. Would Dave do in this scenario because Dave didn't do too well and it's funny I mean we're not in identical situations? I mean I I have. I have no clue I could. I could die tomorrow. I could die the day before you the day after or decades later but this process of self discovery learning things. I love listening to people who are going through that and recognizing that. Hey a when I had when this occurred and I had this reaction it felt warranted and just at the time it felt like I was being wronged and now in hindsight when I look back maybe my my reaction wasn't particularly healthy for me or my Roomie. Chips or whatever. I done that many many times. And and it's you know. Sometimes you get better sometimes get worse. Hopefully the trend overall is towards getting better and then the show that we grow that we that we learned something about ourselves. Self reflection is a great gift. If we if we quit reflecting ourselves we're going to quit growing and we just get stuck in in ways that are usually not going to be healthy and not going to be good for people around us and so I you know. An and when adverse circumstances come our way that's when we're tested and You know I was really invigorated by the things we were doing and to have all that shutdown was like I said it just a a real body blow for me and I. I didn't react to it as well as I would have hoped I would have
So Many Protests
"What's the level beyond tea party like? What's the next big boss so okay? Idaho's Idaho Freedom Foundation. I'm not sure who really the big bosses. I don't know fits Betsy Devos's family. Yeah they're definitely part of it. Her brother Eric. Prince is the head of Blackwater. Yeah so far right wing conservative family that wants to get public education and who own their own army. Yeah there's shock. Yeah yeah this is a family who wants to privatize everything brave. Because they've already shown how they can privatize and military exactly yeah. I don't know how well known it is but all of those numbers on how many troops are in Iraq. Were all about half with the real numbers were because of Blackwater and quote Mercenary Contractors. No of course mercenaries. Yeah Yeah and so anyway the the Devos and the Prince family are. They're actively involved in all of this funding some of the groups in particular the group that that's behind the Michigan New York Virginia rallies that Donald Trump tweeted about right because he had his own hand. I'm sure in making those I mean. He's actively said that. Oh Yeah He. He's actively saying that. He has all of the power. Not The governor's but the governors have to be doing everything and we should be doing all this sheltering in placing and not shutting out of these businesses but liberate these states because Second Amendment right which is a convoluted convoluted convoluted argument at best. It's not even a convoluted argument. It's it's not even an argument. He's you can't say trump can't say that he has absolute control over this because he doesn't especially when he also follows that with the. I'm completely not responsible for any of this right. He's trying to have his cake and eat it too. Which only works with far right wing groups that are being funded by a family that gets their money from government contracts war profiteering Yup and I mean today. The day of recording. We We had a big protest down the neighborhood. Park Kleiner Park in Meridian. It was a bunch of women in their kids. They're all playing on the playground. Equipment Co. Cram packed in there Because it was public property and they had a right to have access to it It was also funded by Freedom Foundation. And that's that's a logical follow-up to the protests that happened on Saturday on the purchase happened on Saturday with more than a thousand people in attendance at the Idaho State Capitol the Idaho. Freedom Foundation was the main group behind it but there were libertarians. Gun rights groups anti VACs groups all. They're waving their flags. Yeah it was. It was not a pretty scene. There is a lot of hostility. There were people being abused. Beaten I wouldn't say beaten but there is a couple of people who got pushed around and the cops protected the whole time. The people are getting pushed around or the people doing the pushing of the people. Doing the pushing no the people who were there protesting the cops are there to make sure that nobody got really hurt. But that didn't stop these people from hurting people who were protesting their protest. Yeah and a lot of these people were carrying guns. Yeah it was open. Carry season out there. It was which because that's what that's really about. Which if you're having a I know there are people who would argue this. But in my opinion a protest with guns is not a peaceful protest. No because the gun automatically is a sign of intimidation not right. If it's I mean that's how I feel if you have a rally with a bunch of people with guns that scary. Yeah with people with guns. That looks to me. A Lot. Like a military formation a rebel group of militia a peaceful protest in this case they weren't marching basically a peaceful protests. There does the other side feel that they can also protest so do you have equal protests anti protest groups going on in protests. Like this one where there was a lot of open Kerry. There was a lot of angry yelling people. There was no chance for an anti protest to develop because those people would have been in actual danger right and the whole point of this protest was too loudly and very aggressively. Threatened the government. Yeah and got away. Scot-free technically everyone in that protest committed a misdemeanor by being there yet but committee and getting charged with and actually be punished for are very different and also. There's no way that the state of Idaho could arrest more than a thousand people. Oh please tell me that. There's no way to tell if even five percent of them have guns. Yeah Yeah. It's really frustrated. Heather Scott from northern Idaho was of course all behind it. It's just it blows my mind that she's running that nobody's running against her so she's guaranteed in for the next. You know what the. Hell
Overcoming Isolation: Recovering From Religion
"We're talking about today something that we've spoken about in the past. I think it has a new urgency now. Though with the isolation people feel many people are where I was a dozen or so years ago. Challenging cherished beliefs once assumed beliefs or they were indoctrinated. Or maybe they were just wrong about what they believed whether it's philosophically religiously or otherwise and so they have this moment of crisis and yet it's harder so much harder at seems to reach out. They have a compounded feeling of being alone and without help. And that's why we're talking today. Do either one of you or both. WanNa speak to that feeling of isolation and what's recovering from religion is doing to perhaps help these people I'd love for Darryl to answer that we are. We are have our hands full but he is certainly leading the way because of his background. Not only as a former minister but as a psychologist and helping us understand the physiology of what's going on on our brains but also the emotional part and all of that layered into the process of of questioning and doubting and perhaps even separating so I'm GonNa let Darryl field that one well we. We saw this well when we saw it coming and the board of recovery legitimate and leaders and all we saw this coming and thought we better do something because there's GonNa be a lot of trauma coming out of this and a lot of upset and isolation all the things you've already named so what we're seeing that we have already seen it quite a bit just like on our chat line and our phone call in line is people are saying. I'm feeling very lonely and isolated. I used to have a religion. I used to have a congregation of people I could talk to and and even now even if I did have the congregation. I can't go back to that. I can't go get hugged by somebody. So we're seeing a lot of isolation feelings of despair even depression and we're getting people calling in and talking to us about that but we decided to get ahead of the game if we possibly could and we've been starting to offer some online programming that Kinda combines the issues of leaving religion with the issues of isolation and psychological problems that come with with all that the fact that you're all communities not available and maybe you don't have a new community yet either so we're trying to hit this on several different fronts. And he'll should not undersell ourselves. He's doing a massive amount of work to make this happen. Doing some online courses webinars will. They're only available to our people not that we don't care for everybody else but we just don't have enough bandwidth to do the whole planet right now. So we're we're getting some pretty. Well attended webinars every Monday night within our system. And we're talking about what's the psychological problems that people need to anticipate. And here's one thing I've been telling Steph I've been telling people is. Let's be aware that this could last four months maybe longer. Let's get her head around that so we're not surprised because I think the biggest problem with a lot of people faces the uncertainty and there is uncertainty. But if you think this is going to be over a month you're going to be sorely disappointed and then we gotta start over again with some mental health issues and I just WanNa get ahead of that so to speak some of the conversations. You've been having out there. Well there there what you would predict. Because they have this added component of this isolation. There's a phenomenon that I noticed. Well before. The whole Corona virus issue when people begin to doubt and they remove themselves stop attending church and they remove themselves from the environment. It's almost like there and you know this phenomenon. It's almost like they're coming out of a super when they're out of the culture and they're out of the saturation of the language and the praising and the Sundays and the Sunday school and the community that reinforces over and over again when they when they finally take the step to remove themselves from it. It's almost like they can see clearly. You know it's it's an indoctrination thing and so what's happening now is that people are forced to do that. And we're having people that were not on the doubting path before and and now that they've created some separation and they're trying to make sense of this global pandemic with the whole all of the questions that people doubt about a benevolent. God what's going on with all that so those two things are leading people. I think they're accelerating their questioning and they're doubting and so recovering from religion. Were trying to be prepared for that. We're kind of in a in a ready stance as they come to us with those questions. Remember that our help line is all peer. Support is not therapy. It's not professional therapy. We do have that with the secular therapy project but the helpline and the chat and the telephone hotline in the online community where clients come in and can talk to each other. All of those things exist to help someone ask their own questions. We don't try to deconverting. We don't encourage them take the next step. You're almost there. It's simply providing resources. It's giving them a safe place to be able to express their doubts and vent their frustrations and ask their questions. And and maybe provide. Here's a book. Here's a website. Here's a podcast that you might listen to help. Answer Your Questions. But we have that now on steroids so to speak because the entire country net in the entire globe is is faced with these doubts and fears and questions and so we we find ourselves Adapting by the moment our trained agents who are committed. Volunteers to recovering from religion. Have Risen to the need. I I am so proud and so impressed by these folks who are giving of their time to be able to help an an and now questions are coming from out of the blue that we're not. We weren't expecting an OH. I haven't ever heard that question before in our volunteers are adapting and answering and helping and encouraging all along the
Support for the LGBTQ Community is on the Rise in the US
"Comparing numbers in in this Will REPORT BETWEEN Sort of how support for the. Lgbtq community has shifted between the years. Two Thousand Fifteen and two thousand nineteen right just a four year period. Okay Yeah that's that's not a huge period. Not a huge period. But it's very interesting. They surveyed more than forty thousand Americans. Small it's not small and they've found that seventy two percent of this group said that they they favored nondiscrimination protections for lesbian gay bisexual transgender People and that was in two thousand nineteen study seventy percent great so you can like that. Wow like amazing levels of support when you think about how far we've come since early two thousands so that's that's really remarkable and And something to be really really happy about but there's something in these numbers knew there was a but I knew that but is shocking and mildly. Hard to put your hat. Wrap your head around okay. During the same period the number of people who said they oppose allowing small businesses to refuse products and services to gays if doing so would violate their religious beliefs In Two Thousand Sixteen These the which was the highest point right at sixty one percent of Americans said that this this you know they're they're an opposition to this make sense. It's not fair it's not write. This number is dropped from two thousand sixteen right to fifty six percent in two thousand nineteen. Yeah and and this is surprising. People are I I'm a little taken aback by this. That the numbers could shift like that It's just five percentage points but like still right like I here's the problem The messaging on the wrong side of this issue is so good. It's their messaging is easy. It's just religious freedom. Yeah exactly. This is a country that has religious freedom. Yeah and the messaging on the other side isn't getting through which is just if you practice it you know if you're open to for business in the United States you're open for everybody right and that's the end. I know it's it's a really funny thing. And and what they're looking at in this article is they're talking about specifically the cases that were sort of out there in the news do with like cakes for weddings and so Yes you was linked to gay marriage and so the support of gay marriage and and so people that they were seeing. No that's not fair. That's not right. Let it up. But you're right. They as soon as the religious right lost on the gay marriage issue and saw the numbers like the support out. There in the public is so high right right. They know that they're not going to win that. And they're just going to look like dicks right and they're not gonna get the thing that they their their plan. B which is they want to be able to discriminate against gay people in some fashion right right and if they held on hard to keep fighting gay marriage gay marriage gay marriage they'd look like dicks right would lose favor on these other issues and the public's opinion would be solidified. They're actually really. They deftly shifted their focus. This issue And it looks like we've got some work to do because this is so fucking wrong right and I don't get how people can how they don't see this right. If you support marriage right at a at a rate of seventy two percent of this country right supporting gay people in equality in equal rights just in rights. You don't have to go to their wedding. Yeah just have to like the FA you just have to be okay with people having equality. How can there be this disparity right in other sort of other rights the rights to go about your life and to go and get goods and services at any business that's opened generally to the public? Yeah but that's the problem is that they couch it as a right. I have the right not to serve people that I don't want to. I have a right to discriminate. Great and when he's a stylish that you don't really well but we've established that you have the right to hate them and you have the right to be addict about it. But the problem is the People. Don't understand what the what being you know hanging out a shingle means what it means to say. I've opened a business to the public. Right we gotta we gotta get on the
Religious Resistance to Quarantine
"I'm frankly getting kind of tired of of the whole stay at home and shelter in place and we all are. This is one of those things where we need to. Just buck up and deal with it. It sucks but it's important to make sure that people don't needlessly die because right now people are needlessly dying and there are some people who are not willing to buck up and deal with it such as a local ammon Bundy who you may recall from the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. A few years back. He led an armed insurrection against the United States government. Seizing Federal Land and destroying any artifacts and has his. Most recent thing was a defiant Easter gathering near his home in Emmett Idaho where he was hoping to get a thousand people. Together in. Defiance of the governor's shelter in place order. Yeah he was hoping to get one thousand people you WANNA guess with. The real count was sixty. Yeah he got sixty people. He also didn't run out a big space research. Nope just used a warehouse that he owns on the edge of town out of these sixty people about half when asked by. Diego Rodriguez a pastor who spoke at the event when he asked who was from out of state but half rose their hands after the event or before even During the event the people were hugging and shaking hands. Nobody wore masks or any other protective gear. There were tons of most of the vehicles. There were pickups. A LOT OF THEM HAD AMERICAN. Flags mounted some had bumper stickers promoting the three percenters militia and somebody at the entrance blow a show far which is a horn made from a horn that you blow that is actually a type of Goat Horn. It is at least loosely based on a old Jewish horn talked about in the Bible but has been taken over by Christians especially the Jews for Jesus and Masonic Jewish groups and now the Patriot movement. Which has a anti-federal movement that seeks to overthrow the federal government and replace it with a libertarian theocracy? Which of course it would be a complete oxymoron. The the pastor there the event He did say during it Quote they'll speak all manner of evil against you. They'll say that you were just trying to bring attention to yourself. They say they'll say that you are trying to destroy other people's freedoms because if you go outside and you breathe someone might die. Yes they are ammon. Bundy was just trying to bring attention to himself. The people gathering are just trying to bring attention to themselves. They have been promoting themselves in as an anti federal movement. They are actively opposing. The state government and Idaho has one of the most conservative state governments out there. One of the most liber- Libertarian state. Governments out there. And they're opposing it too so no they they are just anti-government and anybody who's truly anti-government doesn't get it like even anarchists. Some kind of government. I don't know what they're really hoping to replace the government with but obviously it's not just getting rid of the central government man. It's pretty crazy One thing that the Bundy said at the event was I think it's bad enough and our rights are infringed upon enough will physically stand in defence in whatever way we need to. I believe that is specifically what Governor Brad. Little was talking about with a hose shelter in place order when he said that he doesn't want to have to enforce it but he has activated the National Guard and will use it if he needs to. They're bringing people from out of state and outside of the little town of Emmett to an event with more than ten people to potentially spread Govett. Nineteen either from Idaho to these other states or from these other states and to the town of 'em and win. The governor threatened the use of the National Guard. That was I know. At least I interpreted as stopping travel across regions like stopping people needlessly traveling from state from out of state to say a fucking Easter event in Im- it. It's not like they're going to be having the immaturity festival this year. Kentucky has mandatory shelter. Kentucky has a similar shelter in place and advance of Easter actually two days before Easter. Good Friday governor. Andy Bashir warned that anybody who violated the stay at home order on Easter knowing that there were numerous churches threatening to ignore the order also acknowledging that while most churches and every single synagogue and mosque in the state at shut down for this time there were some that weren't and he said that anybody who went to one of them would be subject to a fourteen day mandatory self corn team with police recording license plates and sending health officials to in person place all of these people and their households on quarantine. What actually happened ended up being at least that one church Maysville baptist. Church had a full house. At least it looked like it from the parking lot Which As a general rule of thumb churches considered full when the parking lot is eighty percent full. That's when people start. Stop showing up and just drive by so yeah. If it appeared to be near near full house it was full and that was despite a heavy police presence and even some nails blocking the parking lot entrances a church member who arrived beforehand Remove the piles of of nails and they ignored. The police warnings and signs and then they police went. Oh and some people even covered up license points To make us so the police wouldn't be able to record their license plate numbers so then. The police took down license plates when they could and the numbers when they couldn't and again everyone who attended lease. Let me phrase it. The owners of the vehicles that were in the parking lot during the event and everyone else living at their address are now quarantined for fourteen days. How fucking selfish can you get like if you can? You can hope that. In each of those cases everyone in the household attended And you didn't have. People need needlessly getting quarantined. Or at least everybody's getting quarantine due to no fault of their own but that's not likely with the Baptist Church but if there was anybody in attendance who had a roommate who is a devout Christian. Yeah that sucks. You need to pick your pick your roommates better. If you're in that situation and in Virginia Bishop Gerald Glenn of Richmond's new deliverance Evangelistic Church said at one of his. Actually I believe is that his last service he attended on March twenty second quote. I firmly believe that God is larger than the dreaded virus. You can quote me on that. He happily announced that he was being controversial violating safety rules at way more than ten people in attendance and then he was diagnosed with Kovic nineteen and has now died his wife's also sick with over nineteen and according to their daughter early on her father dismissed his symptoms because he has some other health condition that often leads to fevers and infections. I'M GONNA GUESS DIABETES. And so she ignored that he nord that apparently ignoring that diabetes and and or any other health disorder that negatively impacts your immune system but she would increase risk of severe complications from Cova nineteen including death. He firmly believed that God is larger than the dreaded virus the virus that killed him.
Ireland Won't Accept an Atheist's New Religion Since He Was Once a Pastafarian
"Gotta take us meanwhile to Ireland the Great Republic of Ireland. Because I don't know if you know this but Ireland has a history with their religions in general the in Catholics Protestants. There's been some. There's been some dustups overtime. Okay They they they haven't necessarily all agreed on what what the right religion was. Well now the you know they. They like many places have to approve people who want to do things like you know minister and And and officiate weddings. That sort of thing and one person there A Guy who actually runs a podcast called the free thought profit podcast company. Name was John Hamill and he was talking about He. How public policy was favoring Christians? No shock there Specifically Catholics. He said so he. He said he was as a Pasta Faren. As a follower of the flying spaghetti monster he wanted to to have the same rights as a Catholic did and was denied summarily denied because the apparently the government of Ireland sees that as a parody religion not a real religion which I kind of. I'm okay like that's probably true. It's probably kind of counts as a parody religion anyway. Then he changed it up. He cited join a different. Religion stopped believing in his in the newly appendages of the FSM and went to a a a religion called the syncretic. Jesus Christ Church which apparently is a church that believes likes the teachings of Jesus just doesn't believe that he's real or divine or anything it's basically just. There's no supernatural stuff. It's just his moral teachings are pretty okay. And that's where they're at so he he reapplied for Status under that religion was dismissed was was told was rejected. The registrar general apparently deemed his His conversion vexatious really yes say basically yeah decided that it was with the word. Yeah very interesting. I guess they thought he was just taking the Piss when he decided that he got to change religions which is so funny because basically what they're saying is we get to decide if you are allowed if you're being honest about changing your religion. That is so bizarre. Yeah Melissa Matter Great Question. Why can't you just say look he? He says he believes the thing so done no problem. Let's just move along sound like you know you're worried that his his religion is going to somehow change everybody else's religion or whatever they just the the logic is missing. I think I think what's important here. Dan Is that it's it's it's really important to make sure that people They're sincere in in in what they're saying and I think that that is a very good role For for the government for government to take. No no this is this is this is i. I'm glad I'm glad she looked out for for this on this issue because you can also mess otherwise faster already. We know already that they test thoroughly and vet each and every priest and rabbi that comes through To to make sure that they are not also being vexatious about their their ordinations or whatever. I'm sure area. I'm sure that they have some sort of rigorous thing that they put people they can see into people's hearts goods true. Isn't that Nice?
Atheist Experience with Matt Dillahunty & Shane Isgrig
"Yesterday was the Austin Atheist Day celebration and it was supposed to take place on the steps of the capital But we cancelled our event. They're even before the capital shutdown. We switched to an online format so once atheist experience is done for the day. We'll be playing the two hour collected clips of that And also that video is already up at went live yesterday at noon On a sister channel and mark has link-up for that channel as well. It's basically the Atheist Community of Austin Speaker series so It's youtube dot com slash atheist community of Austin is the primary channel interview are very liked and subscribed to atheist experienced You can go there and like subscribe to that and you will get the videos from the speakers as well. But we're GONNA air it kind of as a a special afterwards. Because I do a quick introduction there which will explain what happened but we also have Mandy so Thomas Andrews and Arn raw and I gave a talk but also Jannine v and Dan and Christie. And Charlie and Daryl and mom gosh who am I gonNa Forget Thomas Westbrook and Eric ends it. I think I think got all of them. Two hours of little short speeches between a couple of minutes maybe fifteen minutes each and so you have thoughts from each one of us about you know why atheist as important what you know goals emissions were working for. I'm glad that you both still did atheist day. And you made the adjustments before there was actually abandoned place on large gatherings. I'm glad that the ACA took it upon itself to say we're not going to be a part of getting people together right now yeah. Aca is currently a DEFCON Three three Defcon two we go down to. Nobody's allowed in the building except the crew and all hosts will be remote and Defcon one. We just stopped producing content We're hoping we don't get there but you know watching what's happening and I'm optimistic that maybe were getting ready to turn a corner on testing treatment. I've been pretty much self quarantine at my house for the last week. Yeah I was going to go. I was actually going. Leave the country for my first time and go to Europe. My trip would've ben two days from now That for obvious reasons has been canceled but I already got that time approved off of work so I figure might as well kind of quarantine while Canyon do what I can to slow that curb because a lot of people are misunderstanding. That the biggest reason why. We're trying to like flattening. Curve is just because something like eighty percent of us and I don't have the exact number but a large number of people are going to end up getting the virus and it's just it's important that we don't all get it at the same time because that would overwhelm our healthcare system and already kind of starting to see that in New York. It looks like they're starting to make arrangements for temporary hospitals. And you know we have to come up with plans on how we're going to get more ventilators and all of that stuff so do what. You can't just slow down. You might get it but I try not to get at the same time as everyone else. Yeah and I've been playing Do Maternal which came out on the twentieth Straight streaming that So for those people who aren't aware I guess maybe I never mentioned it here But I stream live on twitch and I've had twitch channel for like five years and every day somebody new comes in and goes holy crap. It's mental Donnie streaming games and. I didn't know you were Gamer. Yes I'm a Gamer. I was quick ninety-seven Iran the number one counter strike team in the United States. I am a hardcore. Gamer of both first person shooters and RPG's and some platforms but also boardgames index games. I fucking Love Games. Yeah and I will play the hell out of him and so a corn teens are really good opportunity. I think I stream do maternal for about seven hours yesterday which is a a middle of the road stream from me. I've done twenty four hour streams. I've done two hours rooms. I mean apart from Activism Video Games is mainly what you do anyway right so this. This is an entirely different for you your lifestyle. Just just I'm going to go do what you want videos. And then go back in the room and streams some so that works out. It's business as usual apart from you know not getting to hang out with as many of my friends right. That's that's been the hard part for me. Is just wanting to have large gatherings and just kind of thinking you know if I don't have a really good reason to go see somebody then I don. I shouldn't go do it because one of the problems with this Cove in nineteen is like. You're symptomatic for a while. After you get it so you can have it and not know it right. And that's the that's one of the biggest problems so I also shared a post today because Rand Paul has now tested positive. I I made it posted on facebook saying you know irony. It's what's for breakfast and I don't want anybody to think that I am Gleeful in any way that Rand Paul or anyone else's infected that's not remotely the case. I'm sorry that anybody got affected and I don't you know. Berry were like Oh no. That's just as you know. Screw you ran. You know the irony of it was that there was Legislation that was going to be voted on specifically to start addressing this and move funds around and he basically held our healthcare hostage by attaching an amendment which included things like pulling us out of Afghanistan. Things that weren't even relevant to thing you know. Let me get my pet issues in at the expense of other people's health right and he got tested because he's in the Senate. He has access to attest to that. Other people don't have access to yet. He didn't have any symptoms. It was just a precautionary test whereas I have a friend who has a friend who has symptoms in his sick with a fever cough everything else and cannot get tested and because they talked to somebody else. Those people don't know if they've been exposed or right. I would like to see an increase in the availability of tests because Rand Paul's as dramatic or some dramatic yet but he's in a higher risk category for having you know severe Response to all this. But Yeah it's I mean here's what I would leave in my comment in regards to you like you know some people saying that it's justice or not if I believed in Karma. This would strengthen my belief. Yeah that's what I can. I'm going to leave it at that. Yeah except I don't right. Oh
"Because we started off with a mention of the earthquake. I thought I would my first story today. Dan could be about some damage. The happened here in Salt Lake City. Everybody not that nothing bad can happen too because the Salt Lake City is the headquarters of a major of the Lord's Church so surely nothing can go wrong here. No no in fact as you just mentioned headquarters of the Church and also home to be you absolutely beautiful Temple Square Named after the temple on Temple Square which is currently Dan. Undergoing a seismic upgrade. Isn't that whole the whole thing? It's not a good time to visit Temple Square because it's beautiful right now under construction already turned down like a couple of buildings and everything but not not the temple. The temple is going to stay. And they're making they're making seismically sound So that it can withstand the next earthquake But there was damage today to the temple. If you happen to be driving by or see it anytime soon. My guess is they will repair this fairly quickly but the famous Angel Moroni Statue on top of one of the six spires right Liberation Gold above the beautiful Angel Marrone. I who famously has a trumpet sort of heralding to all nations. Whatever the the Lights Zola? It's that's true that is true. I guess it's not really a trumpet. You would think has little buttons Bergner cars. This is a very and halfway alpenhorn. Yeah and well. We found something out about that Horn today. It wasn't actually connected ten. It just fell off during the earthquake. Wiggled its way out how I know the sun. I mean things were shaking and I don't know if you noticed this strange phenomenon. But the way that our houses oriented on on our lot Things were CL- there was more sort of things knocked over that. Could that could fall off a wall or whatever off shelf that we're sort of to be east face or east west facing president north south. I think it was good. Side to side action was happening. Presure wonder because it does he. The Angel Moroni Faces East. I wonder if like that temple was like really rock and good. I mean clearly it was and yeah just I. I would have loved to see more than anything. Dan. They're here down to the rain falling down. Oh yeah amazing. And here's here's the funny thing is that so now it looks like the Angel Moroni. I actually went and saw it today because I wanted to see that angel without his trumpet. Yeah I might need. Looks like he's holding his his hand in an open sort of okay. Sign with his fingers down like he's he's made a hole in his hand and now he's just looking through it. I think he's holding out from him and he just kind of looking through his hand. It's early it's like Crucified Jesus looking through his hand. What's what's this all about. God this is not the first time down. That damage has befallen an angel. Moroni on top of it Lds Temple so they know these things can happen. This shouldn't shake anybody's faith as you would hope it to Do you remember just a few years ago. Lightning striking the bountiful temple and no damaging the angel marrone I that some months apparently to get it repaired but wow they eventually did. It was all scorched. You don't remember this. I know a lot about it on the show okay. Here's here's what I do. Here's what I do know. I know that 'cause my dad used to work for the LDS Church and he said that one time this was back in the ninety s they were they did full cleaning of the LDS temple and when they caught two brother. Marone up on top. He apparently had numerous bullet holes in them. Now crackpots take potshots in the middle of the city. Yeah apparently that is why. I wonder how old those bullet holes were. Yeah like from like you know early. Nineteen hundreds of somebody like going around in the seventies shooting at the. It's hard to poll. Just love it that's delicious. Yeah you tell us that. It shouldn't shake anybody's faith that the horn fell out of his hand out shook my faith in that church in that. I thought that they would at least like do a couple of jobs a superglue or something. Why why is this detached? How is able to pull screws? Apparently they were just using gravity to keep it in place. They didn't bother to like yeah just bolted in doing one. It's not like they're hurting for cash. No they could have done it by helicopter and if just for fun just as a show. So don't worry this'll only cost one hundred billion dollars to fix
Deprogramming from Traditional AA
"GonNa just give the floor to John John. You want to start off in. It was just like every other thing that we do. I'll just try to frame it a little bit in. I I consider an I. This is maybe a little redundant from some of the other pieces we've done. I consider myself very fortunate right from the beginning of my AA career. When it? When when I did have a career. I was very fortunate in that as a lifelong atheist. I didn't buy in to any of the verities or the steps. Or The you know the atmospherics that required you to be a certain way and act a certain way except for the idea that you know if we if we made a decision we went to meetings we shared. We had some kind of idea of what you know. Abstinence was all about an. We helped another alcoholic. Maybe we could just sort of move ourselves long. So he never really bought in to a lot of the things that I've heard other people in the secular fellowship referred to as things that either dominated or influenced their lives for either longer or shorter time. So I'm sort of speaking to this sort of from the outside because none of that stuff ever really resonated with or influence me but I noticed a lot about how this resonates and influences others and you know before we launch into this. I like the maybe populate a couple of questions right is about what we're doing and why we're here. I think one should ask oneself if they if you find yourself on me a beyond belief with or you find yourself reading the articles in agnostic atheist a you know beyond belief for wherever you get your information and then you find yourself going to these online meetings of atheists agnostics in recovery and you find yourself at a secular meeting or maybe even starting a secular meeting in going to our convention and all the other things that you know you and I have both been doing for some time now knee longer than you but as far as the old book. The larger world of secular recovery goes both in sort of doing this since twenty fourteen. I convention and you might want to ask yourself. Why in the Hell am? I hear what brought me here? Did the twelve step spring me here. Well and maybe some ways in my case that they did because I totally rejected them from the outset but did my happiness with the big book. Bring me here. Did My love for everything that was said to me in a meeting. When I came out as an atheist your NAS stick it might by great acceptance of all of that stuff. Bring me here any answer. Obviously is now. I mean we're here for reason. We're here because we are dissatisfied. Sometimes if the beginning of our careers in this very disgruntled and some people come in a little bit angry about what has been said to them what they've heard and what's been imply that they should or could be as human beings in recovered. Yeah they don't like it. I got it up with us here because I was no longer. I no longer felt welcome in a at the group that I had attended for twenty five years. I was constantly being corrected. I had people when I stopped. Reciting the prayer stare me down like I was committing a crime. I felt like I was walking on eggshells. I just didn't feel like I belonged so it was either leave. Ama or find something else. And that's when I learned about you know. These groups started one Kansas City. And that's why I'm there but what's interesting John. Is I brought baggage with me? I brought a lot of what I learned over those past twenty five years with
Cardinal close to pope says modern-day 'plague' boosts 'Culture of Life'
"Of Pope Francis besties. Okay hard by the name. Conrad KRIGE RISKY K. You're making words out now. He's from Poland. No okay He officiated in. I guess some kind of service at at the Vatican. Oh Nice where? He opened his big fat mouth. It was a mass actually okay. This was during his homily. He referencing the corona virus. Yeah he says since the arrival of the unfortunate virus in Italy the plague. Oh from that very moment. Something changed all of the sudden. We started to care for every life what age we have become lovers of life. Oh we have ceased to represent the culture of death that John Paul the second spoke of. Oh right He said that since the virus began spreading no one has had discussions about a right. The right person with down syndrome has to live worth. It is up off up to the expectant mother to choose to aboard it. Neither are Italians talking about euthanizing the elderly. What apparently they were just lining up to do what is he fucking hawking and there is no equality marches that are really against equality freedom. Oh my God. People don't talk about abortion or about euthanasia because everyone is talking for life we are looking for vaccines. We're taking precautions to guarantee that we can save lives. Almost everybody is choosing life today. Beginning with the media God loves life. He does not want the death of the Center. He wants for the center to convert and to live. Apparently Damn Cardinal. That is some crazy
Atheist Experience with Jenna Belk & Phil Ferguson
"Actually curious to hear from Arthur from Canada. It says that you're going back to Nigeria to visit family for the first time since coming out and they have a plan to save your soul you. WanNa talk about that. Oh Yeah How you guys doing hi. I'm sorry this is Jen. You're on with bill you guys doing. We're dead head death perhaps but we're rate actually amazing. I'm the first caller. But thank you so I came to Canada about five years ago and I'll like religious back then. You have an argument with me about Jesus Christ. I was like that too. Yeah so I came to Canada and visit my eyes open because physically you know. Niger is just like Half Christian half Muslims. That person is a demon Wow but came to Canada in Other cultures and Just engines you know and people who don't just believe in anything and I was like. Wow under such good people and I'm like couldn't all bags are going to help anybody that doesn't believe in? Jesus is going to hell so it doesn't make sense. Is that question in everything on Danino here. I am today. Congratulations this. This was a well. I've been for about two years you know. I kinda down for five years like I said so anyway So now I'm going to Niger and I mean I came out to my parents because I I went to dislike Phase where I was just mad at everything I feel like half my life. Most of my life was taken away. Yes I thought this exact same way. Yeah so I was just pissed so anytime anybody wanted to have a conversation about it. I would literally be in that conversation and just argue and thanks to your show. I learned to lots so I just euro documents land from the show and also from my personal research and older who have it but at this point. I'm just like you know tired of it now. I'm going back home where my dad. Who recently disown me? Because of it he came back. And we're going to have a conversation here on this show where you know you usually say you know you don't have to have the conversation you can change the topic and whatnot the different the different by belanger where You cannot say no. Who's taking things I? I know it's kind of hard to explain. No going back to visit for a couple of hundred visit. I'm getting back to this. How long are you visiting? Nigeria for about two weeks okay. Who will well one possible strategy that no one else would tell you. 'cause I'm just weird like that is it's a it's a. God Damn Miracle You're born again just short circuit the whole damn thing. Go back raised. Jesus whatever you gotTa do and then two weeks come back to Canada. Oh Yeah I mean. That was assaulted. Wow I didn't think that solves it? That's like Dowdy like going to church and all this money devotion shit I mean. You're you're making the effort to call and you're worried about not even going on the trip because you already know how bad it's going to be. I mean you. You know your family better than I ever will cost setup for me they. They like to call the Pasta to the House villa. Like you could just fix all that right before you go just put on facebook that you're born again and make sure they see it and go and go to service to go talk to the pastor benefit if you want to have real fun turn on the recording. App On your phone record the conversations and bring it back with you. We'll we'll we'll put him on the show. Maybe Oh okay. Yeah I mean you gentlemen have a different strategy. Mean well okay so so to each his own. You know if you WANNA do that. I'M NOT GONNA I'm not GonNa Stop View but you want to know what I would do. I know I couldn't personally do that. Because I'm just the kind of person that I can't misrepresent myself like I switched from being life to pro choice Pretty quickly and it took me a couple of days while I was like. I have to come out about this because everybody knows that I'm pro-life and I feel like I'm living under this false pretense if I don't tell everyone and so I couldn't do that but in addition along the situation that I'm in right now with my family You know if we're getting together for Christmas or actually. I have my families getting together for a tea party soon. It's like a tea party. The women on my family have an annual tea party. And it's actually it's actually really cool But when we have these family gatherings if they were to tell me I mean. They haven't told me that they're going to try to change me or bring a minister and to try to deconverting or anything and I still have trouble going back there simply because I have trouble having conversations with them at all Because of this this toxic household that. I grew up in and I'm not saying that it's toxic because of the people but because of the system because of this this Dynamic about how this authority figure and and everybody else has to do with. There's only one way to do things so I already have trouble going and seeing my family without some kind of exorcism threatening me. You do realize that if they do some kind of exorcism things can go very wrong and they have lon-wrong for people in the past won't so what do you think they're gonNA. What are they going to? Do they just going to have a sit down? Talk is not. It's not surprising excess. Because yeah we know that though you know yeah I know The I call it coach by came from the this basically Christianity. It's called but like they're probably going to sink down and Does a bunch of things like Jesus loves you and You know need to come back to those. What about all these? Are these things that Jesus did for you. He made you go to Canada. I made you have the job. You have Blah Blah Blah and How good you man that he sent you to Canada. Yeah Yeah Well. One of the arguments. The only the only thing is that the only thing is that temper so sought and I can't say no because doing let me. I'm going to be living with them. So I'M GONNA I'm GonNa have to have these conversations where he's always going to end up with US fighting. I was just two weeks. You know what I mean. That's the thing is do. You actually have to go. Can they physically force you onto that plane crew? I want to go tonight for other reasons. No religion okay. I haven't seen him in five years so it would be worth it to you. Would it be worth it to you too? If let's say goes horribly as you can imagine because I don't know your family I don't know how bad it can possibly get so imagine the worst case scenario is it worth it to you to go and I would. I would go with that. Well even wanted to go because you know I mean family friends and actually I don't miss the country and all that but you know I I can definitely understand where you're coming from where it is probably know what but like you know. I guess I have to deal with it. You know I mean if it's just GONNA be uncomfortable put put up with it. Try to be as Nice as you can try to change the subject And live through it as long as you're convinced there's really no physical harm or mental harm. That's GONNA call okay. Then you know then I just run away right right as long as you're safe then I would say that whatever you feel like you need to do is what you need to do. You know if you feel like you need to go go if you feel like you know to something holding you back. I'd say go with that. You know a you know your family better than I do. Yeah yeah thanks. I'm well I'm okay. By one last it will take time thing. Okay so So like I said when I when I come back and everything I really I realized something about myself. Not just the religious aspect just from everything I I kind of question everything right so something happened like my dad. He asked me was the we knew that was was he asked me on a family group. Satchels like What did you think about what you think about God? I physically because I was so angry that time I was like I don't I don't keep it in about Jesus and I don't I don't I have no reason to believe that. A good exist I and then she instantly said Consider yourself disowned But then back in the day when I hit the word disowned. It was his big thing. Yeah but then when you say this time I was like okay. You know what I mean that I just don't I kind of. Don't give a shit about a lot of things now. Yeah and I'm worried that I mean the food. Great like I feel free the right word I feel free from like even thinking about things like hell all well even like disowning. That was so big to me on my dad. Just me yeah go to shoot me anymore. How do you actually been disowned? If they're paying for you to come back Home Oh you came back. Came back around okay. Well that's good. That's really good. I actually had a similar situation where I had Moved in with a boyfriend right after high school and He was a Catholic boy But we moved in together and I was disowned as well and for me it was like a big deal and then it was like you know what whatever I'm GonNa do whatever I WANNA do. I was taken back and later on something else happened. The family and my dad was like. Oh if you do if you tell anybody about this I'll disown you and then at that while you know what so the question is the question is like this feeling of not really caring by love things? Yeah and as the disown thing and I know also the Stuff like coconut people is so easy for me to just kind of people you know. We haven't this conversation and you know you talk about what I do. Respect my views. I'm like it's so easy for me right now to do. Yeah well. One question of can turnaround a bike to ask. Will you know? Maybe Yeah Sometimes I. I'm I'm a believer that there are some times where it's necessary to burn bridges and the one time just to just to pull out an example out of nowhere. When I was waiting tables I kept bouncing between restaurant and restaurant in restaurant and I kept going back to this restaurant back to that restaurant and after a certain point I realized I really don't need to be working in restaurants anymore so I need to allow myself to stop creating these. It's so easy to go back into it. You know so. It's kind of up to you when you need to burn bridges One thing maybe does your family think that God is all powerful and can do anything. Oh yeah definite Then you should inform them that You will genuinely seek out God and let him do his job and they can't possibly do a better job and they might actually be trying to thwart God's will and that It's up to him and they should Let go and let God do his thing and God God will fix you if he wants to come back with an argument like well we to do our parts might. You're GonNa reminds me that you can do straight assist them on them. Have you looked up street epistemology yet by Through Anthony MAGNABOSCO channel on Youtube. Have you heard of that? It's basically a way of questioning to where you're not telling anybody anything you're asking questions and it's a way of kind of exposing to the person that's doing the talking that they don't actually know what they're talking about at times And sometimes they do know what they're talking about but this this kind of questioning will basically exposed if they if they have an idea of how they verify things that are true or not.
The God Concept in Alcoholics Anonymous
"It's probably an indicator of something. Deeply Miss Wired in my psyche that I've thought to myself multiple times man. I sure wish I used to be an alcoholic so that I could prove that step would as program is a Lotta Shit step one. A is seven step. Recovery Program is but God though right to blanket statement. That says it's literally impossible to quit drinking if you aren't religious. As one of those statements that lends itself to empirical testing and like all religious statements. That do that. It fails the test consistently there is no correlation between religiosity an addiction recovery. We'd we'd have a lot more data to work with of course if they would release their own recidivism rates but in this instance. I feel like the fact that they won't as the only data point. We really need any but to this point in my life. I've always seen two ways that you could explain this rules existence in light of the fact that is demonstrably untrue. The more cynical interpretation of course is to say that people at rock-bottom are more susceptible religious indoctrination and won't be able to fight you off as well now if you're inclined to be more charitable though you can also look at it like the bloody volleyball that Tom. Hanks talks to in castaway. Right a person who's tried and failed to quit drinking especially a person's failed repeatedly at that. Might need an imaginary hand to hold your the only way that they're likely to believe the person you can do. This is if that person is lying about who you is in this scenario so you know they tack on some God Shit and they say no matter how insurmountable the goal might seem. Our guy is dependent so he can handle it. Of course even that. More charitable interpretation. Even if it's all the fucking way correct would be insufficient to explain the first step because you can get all that shit without insisting on God bully right. You could just have that one of the available menu items and still gain all the same benefits from it now in the past. That's where I've left it intellectually because let's face it the fact that the charitable explanation just doesn't add up as well as the cynical one isn't usually in need of further review when we're talking about religious questions but I've been thinking more and more about this since I quit smoking. And another possible factor occurred to me the other day so first of all. Quick Update. By the time you hear this it will have been ten weeks since my last cigarette. Thank you thank you know. Seriously thank you because if I hadn't done it in such a public way and if you guys hadn't been holding me to account and if so many of you hadn't reached out to help it probably wouldn't have been able to do it so thank you and to be honest like at this point. I'm so damn confident that like I'm saying it's been ten weeks even though I'm recording this motherfucker. A week in advance and throughout. I've been trying to keep my eye open for what purpose God might have served in all of this. You can't help but replay this whole nine week ordeal. Imagine what if I had been Christian throughout because you know to be perfectly honest with you. Quitting to this point hasn't been as hard as I feared it would be big in the first couple of days. Were pretty miserable. I'm hardly all the way out of the woods. But ultimately I found it to be much less difficult to my fears had led me to believe it would be imagine Christian right and even better measuring just became a Christian or like you know I was already a Christian but I just rededicated my life to Christ or whatever exactly the kind of thing that Christians might do when they're turning over the kind of leave that you would turn over right before you quit smoking. After thirty years so Christian me praise to mighty Jesus to hold my hand. Carry me through this. You know because Baikal e a higher power strong enough to do it and then Lo and behold I observe all the same shit that atheist may just observed quitting turns out not to be as hard as I thought it would be. But it's no longer though because I was mistaken about the level of difficulty is because God was on my side. You know. Maybe the guy was could've done it but he certainly wouldn't have done it. So painlessly praise the Lord. Hallelujah of course in this instance. God didn't actually help me quit smoking. I quit myself and then I gave him all the credit. So what purpose did he serve? Did we just land back on that cynical interpretation we started with will consider this? There are a lot of things that I should do with my life and most of them are easier than giving up thirty year nicotine habit just demonstrably easier than that. I should give more money to charity. I should volunteer my time. I should eat better. I should exercise more. I should be a better husband. I should get angry at fewer inanimate objects and if I just proved to myself that I can quit smoking. Rake Ed traditionally considered to be one of the hardest. Damn things a person can be called upon to do how the fuck can justify continuing to fuck up all that other stuff. How can I rectify ability to quit smoking? But my inability to be as attentive as should be Lucinda. Well God sure makes a great excuse. Doesn't he after all if I quit smoking not because of my own willpower but rather because I beseeched God and he heard me? Well I don't have to do all this other stuff. I I can't go pastoring God. Every time. There's a problem in my life now can I? Sometimes I gotTA handle this shit on my own. I don't have the kind of willpower. It takes to quit smokin or quit. Drinking I failed at that shit repeatedly. Only God could do that. Look I'll admit it can be kind of intimidating to realize that something you've thought yourself incapable of for a really long time was easier than you thought it would be. What other comfortable limitations are illustrating? What else is possible? Don't get me wrong. I'm all for believing in yourself but if you do it correctly it can be downright
Jaren C's Secular Path to Sobriety With Alcoholics Anonymous
"Jaren how you doing John. Thanks for having me on them Really enjoy your show. Thank you thank you very much. I enjoyed doing this as well. It's one of those things I never imagined that I would do. And now I can't imagine not doing it so you know how that is so What I like to do Jaren If you could start by just kind of introducing yourself your story and we'll just let that evolve into a conversation. Can you kind of give us a background about you? Know what got you into recovery to begin with Sure so I grew up in a suburb of Madison. And I would say I had just like a normal middle class upbringing. You know My parents are still married I never felt place I never saw. My parents like intoxicated. They weren't like Fargo. Where's my dad would have a couple of beers in the garage? It was never like I just didn't see alcoholism or experience that you know As far as a religious I would say my parents got me confirmed. I was baptized but they. They just didn't go to church very often. I think my mom would pop in on. Christmas was more like a social Community type thing but I think if you like ask my parents and they give you an honest answer. I don't think they they have some doubts. You know so But I do remember We were going. I was going to Sunday school as a part of the confirmation process and the kind of continued with that and one time we had a speaker talking to us about marriage family. Whatever was and somebody had brought up homosexuality and the guy said and it's my mom was just happened to be in the room and he had said something to the akin of if God wanted homosexuals in the world he would've made Adam and Steve so and then so right out right after that my mom to her credit took us out and you know we really haven't been back since so but as far as the drinking was concerned. I kind of had smoked pot and that really just wasn't my thing. I don't know why it just I could take it or leave it but I remember one time my dad had A. I don't know it's kind of a work party at her house. And like I said he doesn't drink all that much so he had a like a cake in the basement that was like barely gone and I had a couple of buddies over that night and I was probably fourteen and we would sneak after my parents had gone to bed. We would seek to that keg and just fill up our little cups and we go back to the room and we drink And I just remember not so much being like super intoxicated but I remember just feeling like this is an amazing feeling and I want more of it and the next day. I didn't feel well any think most people that have their first drunk. Oh I'm never going to do that again for me. It was like it became an obsession. I could not sit still in class. Was like Oh man. I can't wait till Saturday. How are we GONNA get beer? Let's make a plan to get beer and it was like it was constantly on my mind and I always wanted to drink from that moment on and it just it really took over took me really fast By the I was before I started drinking. I got pretty good grades so it was a pretty popular kid in my class I would say graduated high school. I was going to a community college and I had my own apartment and I would just drink by myself. It was weird before my friends would even pick me up to go to a house party or a bar. I was intoxicated. And then by the time I would get to those house parties or bar or whatever it was I was basically in a blackout so by the time I was eighteen nineteen I was just making a complete spectacle of myself Wake up Humiliated totally embarrassed and then to make myself feel better. I'd WanNa get drunk again to forget about that. So that just became the cyclical cycle of drinking nonstop. And I would say by the time I was in my early twenties. I was drinking pretty much. Every waking moment I got my first. Dui I blew a point four one so I was five times the legal limit you know. And that's that's where it took me. I was like a low bottom drunk and it got to the point. I heard in the rooms ally where we drank around people that made us feel like we weren't drunks and I never really. I couldn't find anybody that drink like I did. You know I was from the moment I woke up was just gang busters with drinking and so it was it was bad So fortunately When I was twenty five you know I pretty much lost everything I had tried. You know treatments and stuff and it just didn't work but I was doing it for the wrong reasons for my parents for some job that I had just lost again. You know I think I had the record for most call ins in it was just. It was a complete mess. I was sick. I was physically dependent on alcohol. And I think that's hard for a lot of people understand was if I wasn't shrinking I couldn't function and that's really sad place to be and then once I would sober up maybe in detox or whatever it was I would promise myself. I am not going to drink ever again. I cannot do this. I'm done and then as soon as I got a detox. I was back drinking again. And that was that obsession and I just it was. It just had such its claws in me and it was it was. It was just miserable and I didn't know what to do. So what happened. Finally that got you to ask for help get to AA or start your sobriety so I mean it was a combination of things you know. I was living with a girl. And she gave me the boot and basically My parents basically want to have anything to do with me anymore. I was just constantly letting them down. You know family members were just bear. Friends are embarrassed to go out with me. It's just it was. I was dying of alcoholism and I was dying of loneliness. You know I it was just I would sit in my apartment by myself just hoping that my phone would ring so that there could be some. Just talk to somebody and there was nobody so I remember Through various mandatory court things for my too drunk I would They made me go to like a once in a while and I didn't get much out of it But I knew I had to do something so we have a few times that you had to go at the back then so I was going to a couple small towns church basement meetings and they were you know there is only like a three or four five maybe people. They're like big book meeting and it was Kinda like I was forced to go there so I just kind of wanted to do my our and leave in. Oh yeah so. I didn't get a whole lot out of it. I remember there was one guy though that he was really persistent in getting my number and I gave it to him and he would to his credit he called a lot and But I just I wasn't ready and now so But when I was ready I remember picking up the telephone book. 'cause I got sober in two thousand seven. I picked up the telephone book and just kind of looking for a treatment center but it was a Sunday so I was like well. I called a hotline to see what they can do to help me. I just wanted to talk to an opera. Just some somebody to tell how bad my life was at that moment and they switched over to a guy and he said Yeah where are you and I gave my address. And he's like well come pick you up and I'm like okay. Why he's like well we're GONNA go to meeting and I'm like
The Bible That Leaks Oil
"Well Dan yes does. Have you ever heard of the Oil Bible Lael by Dan Oil? It feels like I should have. Oh goodness gracious Dan. Can we say with the Texas all the whole Jerry Pierce and John Taylor has been traveling? The Nation Dan with the Oil Bible. Okay now let me tell you this Bible when it sort of magically secretes oil. Oh my God right like Ooh from it is clear this oil just flows so gross and they whenever there so apparently part of the the the trick here is the it doesn't actually seep oil when they're traveling only seeps oil at home but people visit them at home in order to encounter the Seeping Oil Bible and They yeah people have attributed healings of course An any pretty much anything you could imagine has been attributed to The Bible It's performing. Miracles is what it is performing miracles. They give away vials of the oil and they've they're growing famous and making a lot of money off the Oil Bible. Well the good folk good folk at let me see. What is this news organization? That's the little local their local news or the Chattanooga Times free press okay because in I. I assume somewhere there in Tennessee in Dalton. If that's a place in Tennessee the town is called Dalton. Okay then the times free press decided they were going to do some investigative reporting. Oh okay so. As any good organization news organization would do so. They started asking around and they got a source at the Dalton. Tractor supply which says that Pierce Right Would consistently go in and and by gallons of mineral okay And but but company policies prevented prohibited him from telling anything more specific than that. But that's pretty. That's pretty damning right there. Yeah so the Times. Free press paid for a series of chemical analyses of the oil that they were giving out the oil that was available at the Dalton. Tractor supply okay. Sure and they sent these analysis or these tests to the University of Tennessee at Chattanooga. Okay that compared the samples and they said that it was the same thing. Oh shocking oil. Petroleum derived and the results quote strongly suggests that oil sample is mineral oil. Just like the stuff for sale. Right okay And then the second test that compared the chemical composition of Pierce's oil to the product tractor supply found a nearly exact match. They're doing mass spectrometry. Is that what they're doing it? The article doesn't get into such thing and using a gas chromatograph. What are they doing? Frank I don't know all right fine. There Ministry though began in two thousand sixteen in the week after Donald TRUMP'S INAUGURATION. And these these two guys So that they had a powerful religious experience As oil began coming out of the Bible. Now these guys are just clearly. Just fucking liars. It's obvious just charlatan right right. They're just soaking a Bible. They dropped a Bible into a VAT of oil one time and then just made a claim about it and then to realize we'll fuck all just just keep doing this and their followers. The people who've been healed people who've had deep religious experiences Are predictably sticking to their guns drinking with them. Yeah even though clearly. It's a fraud. It's a complete and utter fraught. So the the Oil Bible. Let me tell you something. Bats heads new. Here's the thing about human psychology for most humans. It is more tolerable to to believe some to to deal with the cognitive dissonance of believing something you know has been proven true then to change your mind. It's too painful for most people to change their mind and so they would rather deal with being idiots essentially believing something that has been proven false. Yeah well it's you know it's just it's the it's the media. Yeah it's it's Tanic right the devils newspaper Chattanooga Times free press you know yeah. I'm sure that that's satanist. The Lucien Greaves Editor in chief. The Times free press is it good on this local news. I know a great right again. Well done guys. How do they even have any money to do any testing? Probably all pro bono right probably including the reporting. Yes indeed okay. There's there's no money for independent newspapers anymore. That's what we're getting. That's the
Church Money and Economics with Phil Ferguson
"We're now joined by Phil Ferguson. From the Phil Ferguson. Show Phil welcomed at nomads born George not to day. Okay so you do a like normal. Conventional Wisdom on podcasting is to pick a niche and stick to that. Yeah I've heard that and you don't do that. F- that exact am I allowed to swear in the show? Yes you are fucking awesome. I'm just trying to get myself out of the habit with the two yards. Oh yeah good luck with that. I remember when our child was children. Now who are adults when they were very young? We have these discussions about swear words. I think we finally decided there aren't bad words. There's inappropriate usage and so if one of your friends does something that's really awful. You can tell them the fuck off but your third grade teacher. No so you have to learn those things Yeah the PODCAST. This is actually my third third podcast. I was on a friend's podcast. Called the pink atheist many years ago. And then I did one called skeptic money on air and Nice this version. I think maybe started four or five years ago. Total eight or nine years of doing all this stuff and when I started it I was like what do I want to do? I can't pick one thing in the two things that I like talking about our investments. That's my my day job and promoting a secular worldview. Is I think a lot of problems become easier to manage if we look at it from an objective reality based perspective not a theocratic. One as I said. Fuck it. I'M GONNA put those together so one of the tag lines was one third finance two-thirds atheism and by the way I am number one in that category. I like it. Well it does make sense when you consider the whole Prosperity Gospel thing and mixing finance and religion as a complete con-. You're basically doing the exact opposite right. I am but it. It's funny. I'm I'm aware and I'm bothered by the fact that there are people at hire me because I'm an atheist. There are people that hire me because I promote atheism and give to atheist secular charities and I get very similar kind of benefit as someone who might market to church people and talk in the Church language. And it's something that one must always be worried about when someone says to me. Oh Bill I can trust you because you're an atheist tump through the hand maybe trust but verify if you want. But don't don't trust me because I agree with you. Happy on the skeptic. Yeah and I know it's there and I benefit from it financially but it does kind of freak me out and just like you both probably know that you know my sharing a little bit more personal stuff. Listeners can feel more involved in part of your family then. I also have had occasions where people one one time and now someone's going to do it just for fun because I mentioned it on your show. I met a conference talking to somebody. And they say something. That's kind of tangentially related to our conversation but seemed awkwardly out of place and I must have given him a funny look and they said Oh you said that in show number one of four and I was like oh no. Don't don't don't don't hire me. Don't quote anyone to anybody. It just doesn't work. Don't know don't do it so at but I I I recently was trying to get and it still might happen. We'll see a some professional podcast going with local realtors because Boise's real estate market is exploding insanely and the realtors are all trying to figure out how to get an edge considering their six thousand of them and in you said this is where in. Boise Idaho Boise. Is that how it Boise? There is no see? It's an S. Well You keep saying it. However you want the possessive of Boise's real estate market just kind of struck me as yeah but they were kind of a big deal so one of the two are sell at one of the things I was. I was telling some of the people that actually got to meet with was. When you're doing a podcast you are speaking into basically directly in somebody's brain which creates a kind of an intimate relationship that if your wanting to professional relationship with somebody for say helping them buy a home or sell a home. Then you've already done half of the work just by having them listen to a few episodes. Your podcast absolutely true. The other thing. That really is bizarre. How blessed I am if I can say that I have a lot of clients that listened to my show and a lot of prospective clients. Come to me because they've listened to my show so I don't have to sit down with them for hours and explain my system of Ace. I have a process and I'm not doing one of those shows where I t's you can make more money without facing a risk in the market. If you just call me I'll tell you all about it. I literally give out the symbols for the investments that I use and the ratios and the percentages. And I breakdown what I do. Why do how I do it? Other financial advisers. Look at me and they'll say things to me like why would you do that? 'cause no one will ever hire you if you give it all away for free but people do hire me and maybe more people listen because it's just the fact this is what I do Sometimes I'm a little odd freaked out weird out whatever if someone calls me and says I want to hire you. Did you hear what I had in my show? I already told you how to do it. Yeah that's cool Phil and I like your system but I'm just not GonNa do it like I'm not going to work on my car. Yes there are just some things. You don't WanNA get your hands dirty with you. Don't want the personal risk so yeah just hire professional well for for a great example of a kind of a corollary on that if you look at the software industry there is a lot of insanely big business with. I work in the medical field kind of nineteen so I get to see a lot of stuff where it's insane that that piece of software. Casa million dollars a year and new software is going to be a billion dollars for a rollout. And it's just it's insane some of the stuff that that happens with that but then you look at like you'll get red hat who does. Lennox. It's free and open source. They actually sponsor a project that does exact same thing as what you can buy from them but a free and yet they got big enough to be the first billion dollar a year company in the open source world and got bought by IBM and the head of Red Hat is going to be the new president of IBM. Because if you give it away for free people there are a lot of people will still pay you for it. Because they know that it's good.
"Jess. Thanks for joining me today. Thanks so much for having having me on. So let's start with your background. How you grew up what type of religion you were in? And then we'll get get into this because I know people on the edge of their seats thinking about this concept of divorcing religion. How they actually get through it? Get Out of income out the other side Still being friends ends with their ex if you will Yes sure. I was raised in a pentecostal family. So my parents Got Saved some using my air quotes there. They found religion turned to Jesus when they were in their late twenties so before I was born and so I was raised in that atmosphere of a home that had a fair amount of rules so we did have a TV set and we were allowed to watch some shows but there were a lot of rules on what we could and couldn't watch and my father. is quite volatile person so my siblings and I learned early on that it was in our best interests to to follow rules to learn his rules and follow them because then we stood the best chance of not incurring his wrath us uh saw grew up in a religious home. My Siblings They one by one all turned their backs on religion and I was the youngest one and I saw the pain that that caused my folks and I want to call them up and you WANNA say something. I want to break in here and say that. I've seen this a lot like we see a lot the times this picture perfect religious family and more often than not. And I'm not blanketing all you know. I'm not trying to paint all Christians with a broad brush brush but more often than not the more fundamentalist a family tends to be the more. It seems that I don't know the math on this but The more that seems for my years of talking to people that the father of that family almost rules as God does in the Bible. It's very you must fear him. You must respect him. You must love him. There's a ton of rules you have to follow almost seeking perfection. There's very little compassion understanding for mistakes and it's interesting to me that a lot of times those. Those fathers in those fundamentalist religious households are almost on purpose or subconsciously. Or whatever but it's almost like they're trying to take on the mantra or or the the label label of God in the home. Do you see that sort of that parallel. Well I do think that People people who are more rule oriented people who are more authoritarian rigid black and white thinkers. They are drawn to more fundamentalist religions. And of course than it reinforces that If you're if you're the man in the house then you also get to be in charge of your wife and your children and certainly I was raised to believe that I came God and then came daddy but I do know there are also The man that I married is quite gentle person. He's very meek and he's quite a delightful person. We're not married anymore but we've retained a beautiful friendship And he became Really Uncomfortable Baltimore so we moved after we got married. He'll go back into my story a little bit here and then we move to a small town where he could attend a very conservative Urban Bible college and it's well we were there at the Bible College that I started having interactions with closed mennonites. So there were a group called the Haldeman Mennonites Church of God in Christ Mennonites They had farms all around and community. All around this town where the Bible College was us and I started getting really curious about these women. I would see them in the grocery store and they were always very modestly dressed and they were their head coverings and I started thinking. Well what what is that about. What's on with these with these groups And I started doing research About it and I thought well that's very new testament and we haven't been excused from that practice of wearing a head covering and Paul lays out some pretty explicit rules for how women are to behave. And why aren't we doing that. And so I then dove down that fundamentalist rabbit rabbit hole much deeper than my parents ever had got rid of our TV that we had No TV no magazines. No news is papers. Anything that was worldly throughout and wouldn't allow I didn't I stopped wearing. My wedding ring. Grew my hair very long. Stir wearing a covering only skirt says and Did the same for my daughter's my young daughters insisted in all day they couldn't cut their hair and I hope started home. Schooling them and so then my community really was very insular very fundamentalist and as my ex husband would say say I simply drew my circle smaller and smaller if you can imagine what that's like as I started thinking while I'm I'm I'm really genuinely pursuing holiness and righteousness and these other people. They're just not measuring up so I went down that road for Quite a few two
Mike Pompeo announces new alliance for religious freedom
"Of State Mike Pompeo has announced the formation of the international our National Religious Freedom Alliance so it is a group of countries twenty seven countries have signed onto this. Religion has always had such a hard time finding freedom. Yeah well it's just I it. It can be tricky. It can be tricky to find. I suppose certain practitioner like listen minority faiths have had their problems of religion if these mother fuckers. There's money was really where their mouth was. They'd be looking pretty escorts at our own country right. Yeah and it would be. Yeah but that's not where they're looking and let's and don't get it to us did. It's not the cream of the country crop that has signed on to this to this little club club cowboy and by the way club. I'll get to it not my word. I'll get to that but besides the United States. I think we bullied the the UK into joining up. And then we've got you WANNA trade deal right exactly obey Ania. Austria Bosnia and Herzegovina Brazil Bulgaria Colombia Croatia Czech Republic Estonia Gambia Georgia Greece. Hungary Israel Kosovo Latvia. The religious oppression groom Spotted a theme they. They issued their principals a whole list of principles that included a commitment to and I'll quote the right to hold any faith or belief leaf or none at all and the freedom to change faith. Now those that's a good principal. Yeah I'm pretty great with that as has stated so if they hold that as their guiding light fine but here's what Pompeo had to say. Oh boy he was was like so the principles redact something. The principles didn't call out any specific countries or whatever but then bump peyot in his remarks mentioned mentioned. The targeting of religious minorities in seaview can spot a theme here Iraq Pakistan Nigeria Syria and Myanmar. All of which are heavily Muslim countries right and so and yes most of the targeting of minority religions that he's really concerned about the minority. Religion is Christianity. Of course it is maybe not me and Mar.. Maybe we. They're talking about the Ryan go there or whatever but but mostly we're talking about Christians and how terrible it is when a Christian gets Get suppressed that's the worst thing. It is the worst kind of oppression. Yeah the United States. I think we've we've talked about it. I'm not sure if we've talked about it but the US has a what's let me find this title what it's ambassador at large for for International Religious Freedom which is one Mr Sam Brownback if you recognize that name. It's because he's the architect of the Kansas the Kansas experiment he was the governor of Kansas who enacted who put his money whereas conservative mouth was and enacted the most like the perfect fully conservative trickle down economic. Oh disaster yeah bankrupt Kansas. Yeah he basically said. We're going to run the experiment. The actual conservative experiment. Yeah we're going to give tax breaks to everybody. Yeah we're GONNA and basically. He ruined up to literally bankrupted. I mean maybe not literally but but most but yeah uh as as close to bankrupt as a state could possibly be right. Did it. These shot the you know the adrenaline shot to the heart of their economy. Didn't quite take I'm not of course it ruined everything anyway. He is now the ambassador at large for International Religious Freedom for the United States of America and he said quote he said we want nations that respect religious freedom in their own country. Obviously he he's talking about. Who would who they want to join this group? He's we want nations that respect religious freedom in their own comfy country obviously act that way and then are willing to push religious freedom in the international venues so this is the activist club of countries. He's great he. They've got a club a club you know are there. Are there Komo News. There's secret handshake. Oh Yeah Oh yeah and they meet up in a tree house. They probably have have a drum circle at one point. Somebody you know no girls allowed. You don't
An Atheist at the Iowa Caucus with Justin Scott
"We are now joined by Justin Scott the Iowa State Director for American Atheists Justin Welcome to. ATS nomads yeah. Thanks for having me. This is pretty awesome. So you're in Iowa right now I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing that means does it. At least you have a voice important thing. Yeah I'm listening to one of the PODCAST. I listen to is pod. Save America America and yeah. They're put political pundits with you know lots of campaign experience and all of that and the way they talk about Iowa I would. That's terrifying place to be right. How are you getting clamored by everybody? Not only that but now are twenty twenty legislative session as kicked off so you have you have the chaos of the presidential election but you also now have a Republican Republican trifecta down in Des Moines. Where we're only three days in and the assault on religious freedom and the assault halt on women's reproductive rights has already started? And so it's like you WanNa talk about a circus that that is the best this word I could use to describe. It dilluted Tutu for pretty much the line on a clown after another. Yep Yep all right so I'm sure that with your position as basically the representative of one of the largest atheist organizations in the country for for the state of Iowa. You're probably pretty busy. I try to be every day's different. Hopefully you've got other people working for you too. Yeah Yeah and that's the exciting part is that we have a great collection of both activists but also just regular islands. Is that really give crap. I don't know if I'm allowed to cuss on here but They they really I mean truthfully give a shit about their state they give a shit. Ah religious freedom to give a shit about women's rights and it's fun because you'll have people that have never done activism before all all of a sudden coming into our groups and coming onto facebook messages saying L.. Yeah look what I just did. Look what age. Yeah and it's truly inspiring because here in Iowa you don't need a title to go kick ass and I think that when I when I had the opportunity to talk about what what we're doing here that's what I really WanNa try to sell is. You don't have to have a title or any kind of experience to go out and do this stuff. I I mean that's that's the best part about all of this so for people who aren't paying attention to the news what's going on in Iowa right now. Shit Storm. Yeah yeah so. Basically you have a mix of people running to be the Democratic nominee For President you also have a sprinkling of a few Republicans you also have a few libertarians. I don't come across. Those is too often but essentially they are whoring themselves. I mean they are knocking on doors and they are trying to grab our attention. They're trying to get our vote February third we have what's called the caucus and during the caucus we get to stand in very awkward corners with awkward awkward groups of neighbors that we usually don't talk to and you know show our support for certain candidates. God we went to the Bernie Sanders one here and voicing voicing it was exactly that it was awkwardly standing around for like eight hours except realizing that it was all going to go to Hillary. Anyway this was actually most of Idaho's delegates went to Bernie but our caucus was had the distinction of being the largest caucus in the history of the United States. Oh Two thousand people. There was a line a mile long to get in. But don't you think that's great. Great I mean you hear so much you hear you hear so much about how US Americans don't give a shit about politics and yet you hear stories like that and it's like will will. I don't think that's true. I think we do care some of US yeah. It ended up being enough that the Democratic Party has moved onto primaries now share. That was twenty two thousand Person Caucus. That's done and I can see. I can see the advantages both sides. You know the biggest thing we're talking about here in Iowa is number one does does. The state of Iowa really represent the country. Let's be frank it doesn't it doesn't but as an Iowan like you think I'm going to be on the front line saying no. Please take this away from us and let some other state be number one. I mean that'd be stupid for me to say that right I mean politically. It makes sense but as an activist who's really built my name and my reputation on this circus uh-huh for any other better word. Oh keep it coming right. And the candidates are all trying to get as many people decide with them in the caucus as possible so that they can get some of the first pledged delegates absolutely and to try to build the so called thing of momentum. People argue that are some people argue that momentum doesn't exist what is it can you really is it. Tangible So yeah anyway just to kind of go back to make sure for the listeners. have no clue what this is literally you show up on on one night and you walk walk in and you make sure that you registered to vote and they say okay. You're let's say that the gymnasium at a school. They'll say okay. We'll find your corner and you'll just see various groups of people just kind of hanging out and if you don't mind me sharing in two thousand eight. I won't go as far as telling who I supported because I don't feel like that's relevant. I WANNA stay nonpartisan. Partisan I just WanNa Kinda laid out there but this was before I really tried to grab this caucus by the balls. Basically I I. I kind of had my foot in atheist activism but I was still kind of an activist in politics if you will I supported the candidate. That at many caucuses ended up not being viable and so this this viability threshold. They talk about is fifteen percent of how many people are there. You're right so if you're if you suck at math don't be a precinct. Captain off like math is not your strong suit. Just show up in support Fort Somebody and leave it at that. Let the smarter people in the room handle it but it was very awkward because I had what I thought was a good group of people you know now we had some young some old whatever and all of a sudden they said okay. Those of you that are not at fifteen percent you need to realign and I've not giving Out Too much but basically Barack Obama when they talk about he inspired of movement. I mean they're not kidding thing because it was like half the town was on the other side of the Gymnasia. God I just. I ran for city sitting there watching the each. Each county turned blue the epic. It was amazing and it was one of the greatest nights of politics. I've ever been a part of but anyway all of these people basically at that point you have three choices you can either get up and go somewhere else. You can be stubborn and kind of dig your heels in and say Nah This is my candidate. I'm staying here or you can just walk out and go home. I wish we'd walk out and gone home. And there's a part of me and there's a big part of me as a as a political local junkie that's like why would you WanNa do that like you've already invested. You know all this time and energy you probably got like an amazing parking spot like why would you wanna go home. Watch the
Atheist Experience with Matt Dillahunty & Don Baker
"Today's January twenty six two thousand nineteen. I'm your host Matt Dillon. Are you on some edzard. What's the deal joining me? This is John Baker. We are here in the sense to go. Then I know how you doing out there in the world. Yeah Yeah Yeah we are. We're live and You know stuff happens zip so after having by the way I'm GonNa talk some. ACA Business for funsies so after having solved our Toilet problem and then authorizing the board authorized the expense of nineteen thousand dollars words to replace the concrete sewer line that drains. It's been there for fifty six years or whatever and there's tree roots growing through it so it has to be done and that's just what it's going to be it comes out here. Runs runs out to the street. We're GONNA replace that. Everything's working after clearing it out Today it's not so it's a good thing that the port bodies still here however The repairs are we're gonNA be done Soon and then hopefully be working But that's a good point to remind people that you can become a patron and supporter of the Atheist Community of Authentic Pedro Dot com slash the atheist atheist experience. And that's the. That's the way we use your money. We should sell naming rights to that toilet we should. It's it's which ever apologised donates the most modern there you go it will become their throne and put their name on it. No it's it's all good but yeah I just got her this morning so yesterday we we were doing a series of adventures outings. The errands our a new board member and Events Coordinator and so we had done The Texas Renaissance Fair but yesterday we went to the Houston Museum of Natural Science And the planetarium originally it was just. We're going to the planetarium for the pink. Floyd show okay and I have some comments about that first of all these still do that. Yeah that was the thing back when I was a kid. Yeah it's actually the same thing is it. Oh my goodness so Thanks Aaron for organizing. This is and I'm glad we went and I enjoyed the show. But if I driven two and a half hours to Houston and two and a half hours back to see the forty you know listen to dark side of the moon and watch graphics that were originally done in like the ninety S. I might have been disappointed however as it turns out. Since there's nothing else there at the planetarium property theater you know and I want to go back and see like some space stuff but we did get to walk around That museum in Houston great stuff. There had a great time That would incredibly good dinosaur collection mhm they multiple t rexes and Other we we joked that we're going to spend all day looking at rocks because the fossils are essentially rocks walks. The rocks that the fossils are in Iraq's the gemstone collection is rocks pretty rocks the pottery and stuff that that's done by the Americans. No no no no. The taxidermy. Stuff was not rocks. But I decided that for fun we would say we went look rocks and stuffed animals malls because that's basically There was some good stuff. There is A Nice Egyptian exhibit. some cool stuff on you know evolution Asian in good dating and probably not as informative and educational as much as it is observational. But I out a really good time there Lots of stuff to see and I was exhausted by the time I got home. Lives her Sherwin so for the first time in eight is the dominant Demille Museum. We drove passive the Fine Arts Museum which caught my attention because Their advertisement is girl with a Pearl earring. The VERMEILLE vermeer not for me But also at the at that. Here's the museum they had Faberge display including a faberge egg a bunch of items that were created. It was a good day and so so While we just drove my truck and didn't use the van because there weren't that many people who showed up here and some people just met US there Yeah if for the people who who are in the Austin area or going to be in the area buildings open seven days a week roughly from eleven to nine or so. There's a number of events going on including various gaming gatherings and philosophical off discussions and then the hosts were recording countless shows now in addition to the experience and talk to them which was on earlier Friday nights is truth. Wanted but there was a problem with the Internet and so that that truth wanted is going to air immediately after this I believe on the same channel. Same as we've done for other things so if you missed ocoee or if you missed wanted on Friday you'll be able to watch it. The the official premiere of the recorded version of a live show immediately following. If you can't get enough atheism today and you should do right. Because there wasn't very I was here when they were recording. There wasn't all that much atheism on there. There was Interesting pay perhaps conspiracy theorist type stuff off and on and some good discussions. Yeah and Topaz imaginary friends. Okay yeah that you know Dan Had Eric Murphy theonest guest. And so that'd be airing right after this. In addition to the atheist experience. Talk here then truth. Wanted we also produce godless bitches. Parenting beyond belief Secular sexuality which Airs Live Live on Thursdays and Just way too much stuff for me to name but not too much stuff for you to watch because we're finally producing enough content so that it's is not just ooh call in and argue with the douchebag you know me being the Douchebag News twenty four hours a day every day I I would do this show every single day for three hours. My goodness Yeah so life man is his life. This is this is like a okay so anyway You have been doing this show longer than I have a calendar time by a couple of years. But you've gone far more episodes awesome. I have yeah but I haven't done as many episodes on failures and where where I come in with the topic all the time I I do try to do that. And today you have in other topic another topic is kind of a light topic today Last time I talked about God's anointed leaders And how the Bible sort of says you know every every leader is anointed by God and chosen by God and you better damn will obey them Today I have an editorial from the magazine Christianity Andy Today that came out December nineteenth and It's about the about the impeachment trial and such and I'm going to read read a couple of quotes from it and then read a couple of his responses and that'll be my topic today And as a reminder yeah The Atheist Community Boston is is nonpartisan nonpartisan and we're not endorsing any candidate or anything else but we can in fact talk about issues and we can talk about people's positions on issues and stuff like that. It's right so we're not telling you who to vote for absolutely absolutely not. Well we would like you to vote. Though I can not voting as a good thing I can take opposition to other people to participate in the system. especially if you're going to be one of the people who complains about the right. which would you everybody complains about? I I loved hearing from people complaining. They're like I don't voting's a waste of time and all I'm tired of voting for the lesser of two evils. Well if you even if you view it that way where there's two evils voting for the less of lesser of those two evils is by your own admission the better choice and and if by not voting the worst of the two evils gets elected or gets passed as legislation you basically implicitly supported and endorsed the greater of the two who evils by not on sending a message. Okay yes you are are sending a message and don't get me wrong apathetic. I used to be on it. I I was largely apolitical. I didn't care. I didn't think my vote Matt. Oh I live in you. Know in this place and it's going to go read or it's GonNa go blue depending on what my vote doesn't matter. There's lots of other reasons listens to vote and it's not. I think I think when people do that. Oh I'm vote. Why would I vote for the lesser of two evils I think that's a a gross oversample simplification perhaps misrepresentation but it. Lets me know that they're at least okay. And and actually I've seen people post that I'm not gonNa vote for the last two evils. Let the let the worst or the of the two evils have it and let this whole thing burned down and crumble. So that we can start over again attend because Yeah the the sausage making making isn't very pretty there. Yeah it's also an issue of like the perfect is the enemy of the good and if you expect the there's not a single candidate or probably not even a piece of legislation that I would remotely consider perfect If anything politics is the art of compromise and if nobody's particularly happy happy the argument is that you probably done pretty good but if if you're waiting for perfection if you have some kind of Utopian ideal yeah then you're GonNa find yourself constantly disappointed and sometimes you go with this just better or this is good enough and this gets the foot in the door to allow you know. Allow us to continue continue improving.