Episode 252: Prairie Schooners (Entry 975.NU0703)
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Yeah we've done two hundred and fifty plus episodes of this show now and we've only recently started taking monetary contributions from our listeners to supplant the dearth of advertising dollars. We have always like that's on our patriots paid Patriot dot com slash offer bus. We've always accumulated lots of listener. Requests just even unbidden. It was one of the first things that fans started to do to interact with the show. Why isn't there a show about Rahman? Hey why isn't there a show about Madonna Rahman Ramadan? Don't do the tobacco get hungry but we at lately as one of the perks for supporting the show at a certain level a certain very generous level listeners are allowed to tell us what to do. This is one of the top perks. Have you ever done this from the stage? I mean I'm sure you've had people yell requests that you on stage but have you ever guaranteed that you would play the next song someone yelled. I went through a phase where where I didn't write a set list and would just from the first song solicit set list from the audience that does give a lot of power to whoever yells at Iraq show. Well a guy came up to me not very long ago and said that at some point years ago in Chicago the band took the stage and I said you know it was a comedy bit to take the stage and be poised to start the show and then go any requests. You know. It's not a thing the band's do and I thought it was hilarious and this guy was in the middle of the crowd and yelled out a song and I was like we'll play. That played the song and then I got to the end of the song and said any requests and he shouted out another one and then apparently I seized upon the gag and he he wrote the federal the entire set list from the middle of the crowd until the crowd recognized that it was just going to be this guy and so no one and I just let him dictate the whole show so he. He recounted that story to me as something that you know. He took great delight in and hearing the power. Going to. Your head is a fan. Yeah you're turning the radio. Dial and making the van. Play what you will remember having done it. But it's out obviously sounds like something we would do and it was. It must have been fun because he knew our song. I mean that works. If your band is is Tight enough and flexible enough to play every song in the cattle. At the time we were able to do it. I mean we. For a period in the band's history. We had three albums and an EP and we could play any song and so so he just sat in through through stuff at us when we did it. That's the thing that impresses me when somebody throws a curveball at abandoned the encore and they all look around and turns out they can all play it. Live like wow good job. You guys haven't rehearsed that in years but everybody knows it. But it's not typically a thing and usually when people on the Internet requests requests that I'd do anything my instinct is to say no. You're perverse that way or stuff. Somebody on the Internet is like. Here's what you should do. Adam Practica of the friendly fire. Podcast showed me his list of muted terms on twitter and and there were several of them that were in the category of what you should do or should have done or should know all muted. Think how I feel every week when I say things like hey we should let's record an omnibus and I have to face you being like. Oh should we can or we're not getting to this quick enough Mr Business. I like to sit around. I'd like to have a good time. She'd let you suggest that we do it. And then you'll then you'll be excited and then I can be like I can we should do omnibus. Let's do an omnibus right now and in fact since we're talking about listener suggestions you know. It's very gratifying. That when people do suggest shows they really do understand the aesthetic of the undertaking. They seem to do. And we have taken some suggestions and incorporated them into our lists. Although we'll never let you know that we've done that because you got it for free right and also many times people adjusted a very omnibuses thing that you or I already had on short already had long list and but in this right now we're going through. I think three or four people who have donated one of the higher levels and we recorded show about streaking for our friend. Krista right and Corine US Lind Listener named Corey Nestle and sent in a couple of suggestions including Romance Novels Guadalcanal and the Oregon trail. I assume those are three different shows and not right not one very complicated show. We just recently did a well. Not a romance novel exactly but But a sexy novel we talked about the Romance Publishing. Boom quite a bit. In our naked came the stranger writer romance novels were part what inspired the the spiteful writing of of naked came the stranger but that is very that is very omnibus the fact that it's kind of this billion selling segment and publishing but nobody really talks about because what mostly because it's the patriarchy keeping women's Voices. Dasher of course also because the books are very good but mostly because it's the patriarchy keeping women's voices down so you were given so given the choice between Guadalcanal the Oregon trail and I don't remember why I was given these choices rather than you know because you did streaking. It was my turn also. This really seems right down your Bali the World War Two of the Pacific and really all three novels and Guadalcanal and the Oregon trailer all right out of the John Hat. You have a tattoo on your chest that says romance novels the trailer Guadalcanal. We're weirdly and Guadalcanal seemed like a thing that I could dig into but but But as Westerners the Oregon trail has has arguably played a role in both of our lives it certainly how a segment of my family arrived here in Washington. My family came to the West via the Mormon trail right which is part of the Oregon trail right or the Mormons rather co opted as they are want they will often do a part of the Oregon trail on their way to their their ancestral homelands. but yeah the. Oregon trail has always been sort of a fascinating aspect of our northwestern history because at the time Washington was part of the Oregon territory really could easily be called the Washington trail particularly since in its later interruptions at ended at Fort Vancouver on the Washington side of the Columbia River although you know as we. I think we've said before Washington was kind of a late breaking name for northern Oregon. Right it would not have been. That was a last minute decision. Somebody's looking around. It's like the Sitcom trope where somebody's looking around. Yeah my name is Mr Hat rack. It's ret conning for sure it would it would have been Columbia right. That's one of the North West was often called back then. Well yeah when and it was it was the United Kingdom until pretty even stories you call it the British trail and The the UK plays a pretty large role in this in the story. As we'll see what do you think of when you think of the Oregon trail? Oh well I just missed being the generation affected by the bad video game Oregon trail. Yeah I mean it's not bad but it's a real right of passage this kind of starchy educational game where everybody dies of. Diphtheria cholera cholera. What are you die of? On the Oregon trail cholera dysentery. Bad caller is in the family diarrheal. Diarrhea related yeah. The the and and I can cover that right now. The reason that those diarrheal diseases killed so many people on the Oregon trail is that Through the length of it through the American West there were only so many watering holes places that you could get fresh water and at the height of the pioneer travel across the Oregon trail and its many tributaries that were so many people and all clogging the same few watering holes and all needing to poop somewhere and And so it just was this breeding ground for this terrible terrible epidemic of of dysentery dehydration is worse when water is in short supply. Right so yeah. There just weren't there. There wasn't clean water because there wasn't that connection made between Between pooping and drinking it's funny to think of crowds of pioneers like a traffic jams of the old and it really was that thousands and thousands of people that were traveling during the during the season that you could make it over the mountains in snow free. I mean that's it for movies. It's just long lines of covered wagons just from from the camera to the horizon and it really was that in in some but in in in a lot of places where there was room the wagons would actually spread out and travel together in a line sometimes allied sixty wagons across. What are they doing well? One of the big problems of the Oregon trail was dust. If you weren't in the front wagon you choking on dust and so they would spread out. You know so that they could breathe. You never see that in movies. Now you ever see a flotilla of sixty wagons across but if you can imagine being in the thirtieth wagon in a wagon train how much you would just have a have a handkerchief. Crusher knows the entire time is burning from this. This terrible terrible does something else. Westerns are silent on. Yeah well and Westerns always take place in the first writing Westerns. Make a lot of mistakes and one of the one of the first mistakes they make. Is that wagon? Trains are often depicted with CONISTON goo wagons. Which are these sort of enormous sway backed wagons that you see often in in depictions of the wagon trail. I'm going to look at a picture of Coniston and then I'm going to tell you whether or not that's the thing. I was picturing. Yup Is that would you were picturing. Yeah it's kind of the kind of the raindrop shaped yes? You've got canvas. That's that's a rally. Sorta peaked on the sides. It looks big banana from the second banana. Yeah Con Asto wagon dates all the way back to colonial times circus is a place in what pennsyl- Pennsylvania this it's another omnibus where we find our way somehow to the middle of Pennsylvania and get lost con- Coniston go. There's actually a river there or you know. It's very seriously described as a river or creek. The coniston river is a tributary the SUSQUEHANNA CON But it was It was sort of. Mennonite territory was native American territory. Originally and the con- Asto is I think in Iroquois word And there was a there was a tribe. They're called the Coniston Yoga that of course were wiped out. In the mid eighteenth century it was it was settled by Mennonites and the Konaga Wagon. I guess was first described as such early seventeen hundreds and it was a it was a very large wagon. It was made back like that in order to in order to hold grain so that the grain wouldn't spill out either side it. Was you know it was a transport it's basically a gravy boat? You're pulling a gravy boat behind the Horse. That's right pulling a gravy boat behind six horses. They were huge. They were there weirdly. Big You don't think of him as this. They were eighteen feet. Long eight feet across and Like your suburban. Yeah that's right and got about as good a mile but as as the westward expansion started to happen in colonial America. What that meant was get over the Appalachians and these wagons were road going. Wagons and those those pioneer adventures were done. The roads were constructed pretty quickly in colonial America and it was a network of roads that that facilitated travel up and down the coast from state to state. And then over the over the Appalachians here not going off the grid when you. When you cross the Cumberland gap. Somebody's put a road there for your wagon. Right at Coniston away would be really bad as an off road vehicle because they often carried as much as ten tons of material they were used really to settle Appalachia The there were there were kind of colonial roads. That went from Philadelphia. Seemed to be a jumping off point down through Stanton Virginia Roanoke as far as Knoxville. And then down there was a tributary that went as far as Georgia. And these these wagons became indispensable Kostunica's to the transport of goods and services in the colonial era. This is going to be a total aside. But you know Fun fact about the struggle wagon. It's often thought to be the source of our modern word. Stogie meaning a cigar really. It's not clear why maybe the drivers were often smoking cigars. Or maybe the cigars were long like the like the wagon wheel spokes but Stogie is almost certainly a contraction of communiste. Oh how cool. So think about that next time you're sucking on a Stogie here the next time. I'm sucking on a stogie. I'm definitely going to say to whatever dudes it is. I'm sitting around with smoking cigars. You guys know something. And then they'll they'll treat me as they always do. Because I'm I'm always that Guy Kinda wagons. Were not comfortable to ride upon. They were not. I'm guessing nothing was comfortable to ride on back then but this was before wagons themselves had any kind of a shock absorbers and so you felt every rock you really did and it was really before the kind of later. Western innovation of putting a seat board on springs so even though the wagon was bumping. You know you're sitting at least on a sprung saddle. What they had instead was a board that they could pull out. The side called the Lazy Board where the driver could kinda perch himself. But most of the time the driver of the team just walked alongside the wagon. The wagon traveled about twelve miles a day. Which is that's walkable. Well not just walkable. It's a pretty pretty leisurely pace. That's a four hour. You'RE GONNA walk twelve miles four hours right so so it was A. It was a slow moving form of transportation but but a freight basically. It's free. It's it's it's instead of tractor trailers that and and the position of the Lazy Board and the way that coniston wagons you know the the kind of The the system that kind of dog wagons developed is why we in America drive on the right hand side of the road. That's that just sort of naturally the lazy board sticks out on one side right. The driver walked on that side. And so that became the side that that the that we drive to this day and in the United Kingdom. I think it was. They drive on the other side of the road because of I don't know arrogance. They couldn't they. Yeah they they'd stop what we were doing and they decided to do the opposite something who knows. Maybe they were doing it. I who cares but the as westward expansion started to happen. The Constellation Wagon was really bad for driving in sand or across prairie and the wagons. We think of as Oregon trail wagons are a much smaller and more agile wagon that were nicknamed the prairie schooner. They are only about ten feet. Long four feet wide about half the size really of a contest. I'm looking at a picture now. And yeah except for scale these. Don't look all that different. But they are but they're typically just like a farm wagon a square wagon. That's outfitted with a canvas top. The canvas often was Was Soaked in oil or wax in order to provide some weather proofing. You could do the thing where you tightened the front and back of the canvas down to keep the keep the sand out. Good luck kind of scrunchy. Look is it are. They pulled by a team. Oxen horses or Oxen furred. Mules were preferred to horses. Just because they're they're hardier and and More I guess more reliable although you don't think of a mule as as more reliable kind of the opposite but you know it would take ten to twelve horses to pull a typical prairie schooner. A lot of those were animals that he kept in reserve. Because you knew you were going to lose a few Where where only required six oxen to pull but these were much smaller much lighter wagons. They were only they were only one ton instead of ten tons of stuff they were carrying. Because you were on the Oregon trail particularly in the early days. We're going to be traversing all kinds of environments and and without much preparation you've been going to be fording rivers. These wagons often were cau- ct so that you could you could Ford River and they would kind of well. They wouldn't. They wouldn't take on water through their boards. I mean they were. They were real. Suv's and you're traveling a little lighter right. It's like it's like putting your roller bag in the overhead compartment instead of the checked bag of the CONISTON ALGA era. I mean you're bringing everything you need. Hopefully to pioneer some ground in as it were and survive right but I but it's just it's the bare minimum. It's seed and tools seed in tools and probably just axes rather than axe handles right. You're just bringing that's interesting. And then you make the Hamburger Sena do make your hand. You got to have one little tool to make the handle that you you throw that one away. It's exactly right and the and the only things really that you need our seed to to plant your first crop and sugar coffee wine. A Bible Bible Shakespeare wine none on the Mormon trail more accessible. No coffee no one had room for more sugar and more bibles that's right. That was that was our secret. The Oregon trail is a funny is a funny route to the West the first Europeans or rather the first American explorers to the West where Lewis and Clark but Louison and in one thousand nine hundred and Clark were looking for a water route to the west believing that the most efficient way to get there was going to be by boat would have been true if there had been such a route. That's right up river and down river the northwest passage. Everybody believed that there was some way to get from one coast to the other by boat and it really tormented. It's gifts here's the problem. They gave it a name. They shouldn't have been like. We got to find the northwest passage capital end cap because that really implies that there is one and it just hasn't been drawn on the map yet you've got to keep looking. What if they had called it the river that might exist all all lower case well if they just realized that rivers very seldom go from Ocean to Ocean? Go Up. And then down. It's not really a thing to do. The problem is department house to go up Sir. I don't know if you're GONNA find that. The the area of the North West in the United States was really developed and exploited initially by by Britain and specifically by the Hudson Bay company during this period in London beaver. Pelts were very very fashionable. In the manufacturer of men's hats and the hat. The beaver hat was so fashionable. It's hard to imagine a hat based economy much less a beaver based hat based economy. The this is a little a little known part of the of understanding what European interest in the northwest and in the exploration of Canada and the United States really was. It was dictated by the fashion for beaver. Hats and beaver trapping. And the of beaver felt was the impetus for all these mountain men and all the exploration of the Columbia River and Oregon and Washington and British Columbia and schedule on. It's all dudes in their fancy hats. Dudes in their fans Westerns al. Then the thing about Lewis and Clark. They were first of all not pursuing beaver pelts but in in following the rivers they didn't find the best way across the rocky mountains they actually went following the Missouri Up. They found some kind of bad ways across the rockies. They went they went along. Lolo pass and Lemhi Pass. Both pretty. I've been across both passes and neither pass is how you would want to cross the rockies. They just crossed where they cross up the river and then on the way back they actually took a different route which was a better pass but still not a great pass. They weren't asking the native Americans like what's the best way across the mountains. They were kind of again dictating the route by by trying to explore via boat. And so that I'm I presume. The native Americans acid the pointing and laughing. You WanNa go up this waterfall man like sure I can tell you. I've heard about a pass further south notes on the Lewis and Clark expedition. Pretty good but let me just give you a little one. If you try to different past can you know how much I love Luke Burbank Sloop Burbank? Seattle legend frequently guest host and panelist on. Public Radio. Wait wait don't tell me he's a friend of both of ours. Did you know that he and I were a in contention We were each potentially going to host the Portland based variety show livewire livewire radio and he and I did several we. We did several not several but a handful of episodes of livewire where we co hosted. So you're like the Brian Dunkel men of of livewire. You got the Bryant uncle men the guy the guy the guy who gets replaced by Ryan seacrest because he's it gets kicked out. Well it was a it was down to like. Do we want the professional broadcaster? Who knows what he's doing and puts on a spectacular show night after night in a great interviewer or do we want to look Shaggy Fund Rock? We want the rumpled rambler old. Mister didn't remember where he put his notes look for bank and his friend. Andrew Walsh a do a podcast called too beautiful to live one of the legendary northwest. Podcast you I have both been guests on that show and I really enjoy it too. Beautiful to live started as a radio. Show here on Kiro Radio. I had to go into Cairo the first time I met. Luke I went there too with the I the the very early podcast. You Look Nice. Today was on tour and we all went down to Cairo to be on Luke show so it was like early. Podcast meets earlier podcast. Well this is deck over a decade later threat Lukin Andrew are still doing this. Show a daily show and it's fantastic like every time I'm on the show. I'm amazed at what? 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Andrew are friends of omnibus have been great supporters of the show and we are happy to recommend them to you as well. Listen to too beautiful to live. Wherever podcasts are soul could be apple podcasts wherever you listen to omnibus there. It is the Hudson Bay. Company became a major exploiter of the region and in buying beaver pelts in order to fulfill this hat lust in London. They inspired or they or rather they motivated this generation of trappers and mountain men to explore the west and the Hudson Bay company actually had a route. That went from Hudson Bay from a town called York factory. Which was the kind of headquarters Hudson Bay? So we're way up in what is now northern Ontario. That's right. There was a road route from there all the way to. Fort Vancouver on the mouth of the Colombia River and they had instituted a path where in the spring and fall there would be a wagon. Would Leave York factory on Hudson Bay and a wagon would leave for Vancouver at the same time. It's a story problem and would pass in the night one. Would you know they would pass somewhere in the middle? I can prove they would pass once. They would pass somewhere in the middle like high five each other. The one coming from Fort Vancouver would be full of beaver pelts and the one headed from Hudson Bay would be full of supplies and this York Factory Express. Which wasn't really much of an express. I was about to say some total traffic on this route. Yeah I mean it took one hundred days or whatever to to transit this route but this became a kind of proto path to and from the West. Yeah Ocean right. This was and we've talked about this. During the pig war episode this whole region was claimed by Britain and Britain had a had a real vested interest in keeping American settlers out but American settlers had their normal expansionist desire to come in. It's in their name. That's settled lurs now in eighteen. Twelve a trapper and explorer. By the name of Robert Stewart found a better route. He headed south of what had. What was the regular route to avoid hostile? Indians? Who I think at this point had realized. Wait a minute. What are all these guys? Come in through here for. I think I've had just about enough of these guys. He headed south through through what is now. Wyoming and discovered what's called the South Pass which is an area in central Wyoming. Just a little bit. North of what became what is now. I eighty which was really a wide and gradually sloped pass through the rockies basically the best way to get across the rockies and is that true even in hindsight we. That's that's about as good as you can. South Pass became the place that I mean your forebears who traveled the Mormon trail went through the south. Pass the South. Pass even now when you drive across I eighty and you go up from Salt. Lake and across Wyoming. You have the very you have a sense. I mean as you as you come in to SALT LAKE FROM THE EAST. You do go through got across the wasatch mountains you go through a pretty little pass but it's not a thing where people would be chewing on each other's bones to get through there. I mean you have to. It's a thing to navigate but you can fall river for a lot of it and then across all of Wyoming. It's this Beautiful Wide Valley and on many crossings earlier. On in life I was left to wonder what was so hard about crossing the rockies. This seems Pretty Mild. What rockies the smooth? It's just that early early going across that. Those routes hadn't yet just figured it out. There were thousands of mountain men but it took them a while and the thing about Robert Stewart. Discovering South Pass is he did it in eighteen twelve which was kind of a tricky tie. It's not a high point in American British relations. No there was there was a little bit of a war going on and this south. Pass route cut lost. He reported on it. He brought it back but it just sort of people forgot about it. Robert Stewart's report of the of the trail was lost until about ten years later. When no less a person than Jedidiah Smith rediscovered the south pass and it was then sort of and this was again part of a mountain man for trading expedition and then in eighteen thirty two an army captain by the name of Benjamin Bonneville took a wagon train across the pass now instead of a pack train. Now I believe I have. I've been to a park named for Jedidiah Smith. In redwoods named for Jedidiah Smith. Jedidiah Smith was. What am I supposed to know about him? Besides the fact that his redwoods are lovely. Jedidiah Smith was a sort of one of these gentlemen scholar. Frontiers men who who was a trapper and a But but then when he came back and shaved his beard he was he's like a memoirs of the West kind of thing that's right he was a dandy and he worked for he actually sort of explored the Salt Lake region. He was the first American to cross the Mojave Desert. He did all this stuff and he actually you know he ran afoul of some Indians and I think it was. It was only. He was one of these people that was like maybe famous in his time and then lost to history but then some twentieth century historian of the. West wrote a biography of him. And kinda like like moby. Dick became the great American novel because of Twentieth Century Scholarship rather than at the time of its publishing moby. Dick was sort of like it's a pretty long. And what is this guy? Ishmail what is this all about? What am I supposed to call you anyway? So so Jedidiah. Smith became famous mountain man but only in the twentieth century kind of long after long after his exploits. Some hope if nothing if nothing is named after you by the time you die you know. Wait a century. Maybe you'll have a nice redwoods park named for like like the one I went to in California. You know this is the funny thing about having things named after you when you die even if they named something after you six months after you die. You'll never know because you died. You've already started being composted in a silo. Do they ever name anything? After someone who's still alive it always seems a little try hard like when south one the Obama freeway gets renamed or whatever you think come on. Is that going to last? Yeah exactly right I think that in Alaska the Ted Stevens Anchorage in what had formerly been called the Anchorage International Airport. Yeah was renamed the Ted Stevens International Airport in honor of in honor of Senator Ted Stevens. My Uncle Jack's former law partner but and I think that that happened before Ted died right. Is that true? The as we pointed out he died in a plane crash. Right so it would be you did. It would be bad taste to name at an airport for him right after. Oh interesting No but he was he was still alive. Although in one thousand nine hundred seventy eight. He survived a crash at the Anchorage International Airport. That killed his wife. I I think maybe you shouldn't name it after him or at least call it the Ted and Jeannie Stevens International Airport. Yeah exactly I mean. I guess isn't Benigno Aquino Airport. Isn't the airport where Keno died now named for him? Maybe this is the thing die at an airport report. And you've got some chance of Diana's Guy Lounge you'll name an outlet after you. I think Reagan was still alive when they kept started when the conservative movement started naming all him but of course he wouldn't have noticed move. I mean if it happened his final term. He might not notice. The Oregon trail really started to open up in the mid eighteen thirties. And this was at a time when all of Oregon territory was still a British was still a British territory and so it became somewhat complicated. The Hudson Bay company was charged with kind of not facilitating Americans. But the head of the Hudson Bay Company in Oregon was a man by the name of John. Mclaughlin who a defying direct orders provided aid and comfort to American settlers when they arrived in Oregon. What trader famously trader to the King? He believably queen what. You're eighteen. Eighteen thirties and forties okay kinks. No he was. He believed that the settling of the Willamette valley and the and the populating of the area was the greater good. But also I think had great affection for Americans with all their can do spirit and the Hudson Bay company could not convince Canadians to travel there. York Factory Express Road in the same numbers that Americans were headed West and John McLaughlin eventually became UNAMERICAN and is even now regarded as a kind of hero of Oregon. I like to be converted him. We did we armed him with our rough frontier. Come on we got better hats. The the the the thing that happened was in the mid eighteen forties. The fashion in London changed. And Bur lapped fell out of style. The beaver was no longer the prized for because there was a new hat in town. Imagine the whoever the influential fashion columnists who makes that call and saves. The beaver phase saves the species and decimates an industry. Yeah were it really was the decline of the beaver hat kind of finished British ambition in the Pacific northwest because without the beaver powering the economy. There was no reason for Canadians to be there at all. It's pretty well. There's an awful lot of pretty stuff in Canada without them. Having to travel one hundred days on a rough trail just to get to Oregon. And let me tell you. It's only two and a half hours to Oregon from here and I don't find a reason to make that very often down sometimes go to Powell's and do a do a show but I wanna put my own gas. Why would I go down there and you can save? You can save what sales tax but you have to pay income tax income tax so complicated so all the beaver dads are out of work springsteen's writing songs about them shutting the beer factory down. That's right beaver. Dads ARE OUT BUT AMERICAN. Dads are in and with the With the British no longer protecting Oregon by eighteen forty six. The Treaty of Oregon was signed that that established the American Canadian border. At the forty ninth parallel. Which as we know is is where it is today up north of Bellingham. So the I think the idea that the British had for a long time was that the border the border between American candidate would be the Columbia River. Which would make more sense than some lion? That actually cuts Part of what part of Washington Off Peninsula? It's called the Port George. No port. Why can I not think of this? I'm not going to Google it. It's four something no it's called Ginger. Something point it's something point it's raised point now. That's not right. It's northwest angle is the one bristol. Point Point Point Orchard no pointless Port Orchard Point. You sure it's not what is it. I'm okay I'm not going to Google it either. Come on smarty pants. You're the this is a jeopardy question. What is the part of some sort of routes point robber right? Let's leave all that in. I think James Wholesaler would have beaten you to the Buzzer on. That one Watson had it about five minutes ago between eighteen forty six which is right about When the Oregon Treaty was signed and eighteen sixty nine over four hundred thousand people made this a transit on the Oregon trail and portions of the Oregon trail kind of branched off or the early part of the trail was used by everybody. So if you were going to California and of course in eighteen forty nine gold was discovered at Sutter's mill in California so the Oregon trail the eastern half of it became completely clogged with noble. Nobody comes here anymore. It's to fall. They were on their way and also a lot of the original settlers of Oregon pulled up stakes and headed to California as well to end and some of them brought a lot of gold back to Oregon made and they didn't realize of course there was plenty of gold in Oregon and Washington. They could mine. They figured that out later. But the California trail and then The Mormons as you know as you well know Joseph Smith was assassinated in eighteen. Forty four right in these heady times and by eighteen forty eight. The Mormons were moving all mass from the plains and from there from Navajo across the plains to Salt Lake and in the course of the next several years over sixty thousand Mormons proceeded along that early that first half of the Mormon trail through south pass and then down into Salt Lake. Yeah by by ten years later there were. Three CHICK-FIL-A is already there three chick-fil-a and and also they had they'd made a town out of a grid and it named all the streets first avenue as you know in Salt Lake City. There are fifteen. I avenues in Salt Lake City. They they thought towers was one hundred times better than other towns so instead of just like first second third all the streets are like one hundred. Two hundred three hundred. They were really leaving room for the possibility that ninety nine new streets might develop between this and the next block just in case. Just we're always prepared for the future. It could be a town of fifty million. We never know you never know. Could go in every direction throughout this entire time. The covered wagon or the prairie schooner was the method of of settling. Why is it called the purse scooter? Are We talked about this? This was a schooner was already a boat. I was a boat and there was something about the way that the that the white canvas kind of laughed in the wind that looked like sales and the metaphor of the rolling plains to to ocean. Surface have been very tempting. It was and the light this rat and waving like waves and sort of agile little craft. That was going to take you and your family across the cholera soaked watering holes and deposit. You promised land. You know a an elegant and Romantic Metaphor Guess. The name also highlights. It's lightweight nature compared to a old timing. Kind of struggle wagon was a schooner barge. That's right one of the problems of of wagons in general is that they're very hard to turn and up until really this part of the. I mean this era. Most horse drawn vehicles were carts to wheeled carriages. Turn on a point. Turn on a point. The problem with a with a carriage is that at a certain place in the rotation. The wheels are going to rub against the side of the cart. So in order to make a car agile. You need to make narrow for the wheels turn but if you make it narrow you reduce its carrying capacity. So what you'll see often. Western wagons is. The front wheels are quite a bit smaller in radius than the rear wheels and that is in order to make the cart turn more smaller radius. Just like how. Bicycles used to have a bigger wheel in front. They were making up for that a bigger wheel in front. Yes opposite right right. But but the thing about those old What are they're not? What are they called? Any further penny farthing bikes. The thing is those you turn by just leaning. Because you're going so fast on a penny farthing that it's like you're on a velodrome you just lean into the turn. I can't imagine going fast. I'm one of those because I think if you fell you would die you like six feet up December song obviously and one of the interesting things about about carts is that by the mid eighteen fifties as the as the Mormon migration really increased in volume. There are and this may be hard for you to imagine but there were a lot of poor Mormons Portland's we call them porn and so a low immigrants like a lot of them were European immigrants. Who had nothing back there? They were offered a new life on the frontier and they had nothing up here and there with the shirt on their back and so maybe unbelievably thousands and thousands of Mormon immigrants on the Mormon trail actually made that journey pulling handcarts or pushing. Handcart son will push some will pull. This is the. This is the Mormon Laura about the handcart. Tell us the is that. Is that a little. Is it arrivers pushing some. We'll pull this marching down the hill. I guess up and then down. You'd sure hope it was down the hill but no you're going up so merrily on the way we go until we reach the valley. Oh Gosh it's a little bit of a cheat because go in valley do not rhyme Mormons not famous for their songs although for their choirs. Don't tell the awesome right. Mormons can be both a little bit country and a little bit rock and roll on of the things I like. Most of them were amber dextrous but over three thousand. Mormon families made the made that part that they transmitted that part of the Oregon trail pushing and pulling carts with neither ochsner horse. Now what's crazy about about the prairie schooner? Is that your only because the road. The the the Oregon trail was so rough and in many many locations across the United States. You can still see the ruts so many carts when across this ground that they carved deep deep cuts into the Rock and there are there are lots of places I think now where the where the the Oregon trail has been preserved across the landscape. And you can go and it's still still looks like a wagon road to this day but a lot of those carts and those wagon trains were moving in about ten miles a day between ten and twenty miles a day and that is slower than you could walk. I mean you could walk three miles. An hour without breaking a sweat. Sure so so again. Most of the prairie schooners people weren't writing. I suppose you put your kids in it. But but most of the time you'd walk alongside ride a horse alongside but all of that really came to a close in eighteen sixty nine when the first transcontinental railroad got built and as crazy as it sounds although that was in the early days. Obviously the much more luxurious route. It also was way way cheaper than driving a horse team for hundred and twenty days across the West really could. They should've charged more. If you're the first railroad you've got a monopoly. Sure just cost. Whatever a wagon team cost minus one cent. I mean the railroad. I only went through the one place that it wins. It didn't. It's not like you could get over there and immediately go up to Seattle and in fact it took a long time to complete the railroad to see I soon. The railroad ended somewhere in California. It did initially but then you know there was a spur built up to Portland and There was a lot of contention about railroad building in Washington. It took quite a bit longer for it to get up. Initially the idea was that Port Townsend would be the terminus of the of the was the northern Pacific Railroad. So just like today get anything built here and it took a while. I mean people were still traveling the Oregon trail after the construction of the railroads but gradually hipsters jogging it. That's right it was just like. Oh sure you're gonNA take the Oregon Guys women after a divorce. One of the crazy things that you notice in Washington is that the town of Walla Walla. Which is well to the southeast corner of the state was founded a long time before. Seattle and the cities on the West Because while hawala was was fertile farmland and was being settled by Oregon trail pioneers while was still just a twinkle in some shipbuilders. I I mean clearly. There were like flourishing native American population. It's not erase that So the wagon train eventually sort of and the civil war also kind of changed the nature of of wagon training. You know there was a there was a lot else going on probably a lot less migration while less migration West but But fortunately for you can end for me we can still experience the CONISTON wagon experience. The wagon train experience because a wagon living is now a very popular form of Glam Ping. I guess I missed this issue of Sunset magazine. How'd Y Glam in a prairie schooner so glancing as as future links Shirley? No is a Portmanteau of glamorous camping. Awful Awful Glamour and camping or both words that sound great so you think glancing would just beat the best word and instead it somehow manages to grab what's worst about both words and it. Sounds like a urinary tract infection. Yeah I've got a bad case of glam clamping for three days. I need to talk to my ob. Glamorous camping has a really nice melodious ring. What are you doing glamorous camping I love it? What are you doing glamour? Ooh I hate you and your and your clamping clamping is something. A surgeon does in an operation but there is a company called the coniston Wagon Company based in Idaho which is kind of historically inaccurate given how few CONISTON Wagons actually made the trip but they are making modern. Coniston gugans which then they provide to glancing outfits and you can in fact stay there in in Pendleton blanket. Wrap splinters effectively a cabin or do you hop in the connoisseur wagon head to your campsite. No it doesn't move. Just sort of they circle the wheel way literally circled on. They do circle. So the wheels are decorative in this case. Yeah although kind of like a mobile home I feel like if the people sell the land you you can't actually hook them but it's like it's time for your meal is like one of those. Seattle houseboats that's like really what makes this a boat. It's like well you could tell it and we'll meet then. Why not a prairie schooner? Why kinda stuggle wagons Roomier Glam not camping? What was I thinking? So downmarket and that concludes Prairie schooners entry. Nine seven five dot N. user of Seven zero three certificate number one eight Oh eight nine in the omnibus listeners. If you want to follow a trail of our amazing online history through your archives you should look in your in your browser histories. I hope my browser history goes when I die histories for at Omnibus Project on various social media platforms at Ken Jennings John Roderick on twitter in my case and instagram in mind because John is hoping that twitter dies like a beaver hat. Craze won't that'd be Nice We a beaver creek like beaver felt hats. Yesterday's news we received email at the omnibus project. Gmail.com drop us a line. Tell us how we're doing You could send physical mail to Po. 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