Trump Ambassador admits White House plot for bribery, an impeachable offense


New Bombshell testimony in the impeachment pro tonight a key trump ally telling congress. Listen closely. There was a bribery plot and also telling L.. In Congress there was a bribery pro quo and also telling Congress. US funds taxpayer dollars were withheld from Ukraine to get the political investigation that Donald Trump wanted. We stop right here. If you're thinking this sounds like a turning point it is and that's as much about the WHO has the what because this damning breaking news bombshell testimony against trump that I'm telling you about is coming tonight from a trump loyalist or at least she was a loyalist in the eyes of everyone at the White House until today trump ambassador Gordon online. He is a trump donor who has been defending. Donald Trump and echoing trump's denials even after the impeachment probe launched now Sauna Raveling trump world striking at the heart of trump's impeachment defense. And that's not all this is a very simple and damning development for trump tonight and I'm about to show you a few simple highlights from the new testimony but before we even do that here is the incriminating context next and this is something anybody can understand even someone with an open mind about whether or not trump did a bribery plot. Mr Solomon is not just pointing a finger at the White House US right now. He's doing so in the guilty as possible way by walking back and revising his past testimony that was initially more friendly. The trump democratic investigators already saying this shows a consciousness of the cover up because Tomlin is changing reversing the past testimony that was defending trump where he played down why the crucial money for Ukraine was ever frozen something that as we reported at the time which contradicted by other insiders Democrats that's pressing Sean Lennon. Potential perjury for those vary claims perjury to Congress is no joke today. And other trump paid right now. Roger Stone is starting his own criminal trial for the same thing for lying to Congress. So how does the diplomat change his story under these conditions. I suddenly remembering and recalling things in this new testimony out for the first time today. So I'm Lynn says some version of I now recall eight different times in order to change the story. Worry about the core of the impeachment case saying he now recalls bribery now recalls the plotting and scheming and the detailed financial pressure put on Ukraine in the bribery plot. So that's the context now to a few simple highlights for you brand new so online testified. He told Ukraine they would get no. US US aid without the investigations. That trump wanted okay right there. That is trump's point person confirming the way trump sought this bribe. He wanted did something from Ukraine the Biden pro and he wasn't giving them that. US aid unless they bribe trump with the probe to help his reelection. So that's trump's current the bastard laying these details out under oath and not only was this Ukraine money held back but the trump folks wanted this whole investigative storm. They were cooking up to a hit. Joe Biden in public and Box Ukraine into the plans song now telling Congress trump quote. He wanted public. Okay two more simple things. When asked what he thought about asking Ukraine to investigate the Biden? This whole bribery plot that someone was working on he now now testifies he thought it was quote improper and he assumed it was illegal. That is not good. That is all new tonight. Now Sean also revealed new details of a key call that he had with trump in September in the midst of all this and those text messages. So we're getting this is new. He says trump was in a very bad mood and it was a very quick conversation so on asking him. What do you want from Ukraine and trump replies according to sauna? And I want nothing I want no quid pro quo. I want Celeski that Ukraine leader to do quote the right things on land says and then saw inland Allen. Who is the point? Person here asked the president to clarify what that means and trump bads according to sunland quote. I want him to do what he ran in on and then it was almost like he hung up on me on says how quickly that call and everything I just reported to. You is new this. This is the core of the bribery quid pro quo case against president trump. Now it has new details on the bone and it's coming in under oath and in this case I'm reporting to you against trump was just delivered to the impeachment pro by someone who has tonight still works for president trump. I turn now to former federal prosecutor. Joyce Vance and John Flannery as well as Emily Basilan from the New York Times magazine. Good evening to all of you. Good Evening John Hi John. This sounds like very damning testimony from maybe we one of the worst people with the closest hands and action on the bribery plot for the trump White House. Right it does is it It's an important piece of corroboration for the others that it seemed to me. Come forward unblemished and talk and And full voice about what happened when I have the feeling from this. That reading his statement that He's he's still a reluctant declaration if you will You know he has to be in his the statement he says he had. He had his recollection refreshed and so forth but he comes to the table and he makes very dramatic statements. None the less. He admits to the quid. Pro Pro quo. He admits to conversation that he had with the president in October. Before he testified Although minimizes what the content of that was but the most significant thing is going to the question we all say quid. Pro Quo the bribe the exchange for the president's me to have something happen while he with Throws the money that is necessary as offense. John is where we've seen a lot of movement back and forth but this is the very simple part trump says. Give me the attack and probe on Biden and I'll give you the money and if you vote I won't give you the money and so we're turning to the shortest quoted all this that I mentioned the lead John. I told hold Ukraine No. US aid without the investigation trump. Wanted Right well and you have the text messages that corroborate what he's saying now which suggests that the the statement was going to be dependent upon Though the statement was gonNA determine what we would do and I think they were rightly anxious in Ukraine crane that they would make the statement and then trump would walk away from his promise anyway have it both ways and he would four Russia expose Ukraine's of the possible danger ranger without the funds to defend itself for the Javelin missiles thing. So Joyce is this an admission of the bribery plot you know. I don't think that congressional investigators had to have ambassadors Somboon testimony to make the bribery case. It's very clear from a number of witnesses but what this does it. Deprives the president of the one witness that he was relying on to counteract all of those witnesses who had come on forward ambassador. Taylor Abassin Ivanovich and this is pretty spectacular. The way it happened. Because we know now that what happened with Sunland was he blinked. He got right up to the moment where his testimony was going to be released. He realized he had perjured himself. He walked it back. Everyone can understand. Stand what happens here. This is easy to comprehend us. The bribery charges themselves are. Yeah you're hitting on that other point which is as as I mentioned a real thing Roger Stone in fairness to him with not ultimately charged with an election conspiracy or colluding with the Russians but federal prosecutors viewed. His lies to Congress has enough among other things to bring him into court with the trial that starts today. And we're going to get to later in the hour. Your view then. Is that solid. WHO's relatively new to all this? And who was being very loyal and spinning for trump as recently the past few weeks saw that others contradicted him in a way that he was worried about a perjury. He has to have been worried about perjury. That's what's written all over this statement. You know. I think this I can now recall. Call is the new version of. I don't remember that we've seen so many witnesses used during the molar investigation and other settings he had to recall. He told investigators instigators what he knew they already knew in order to save himself. Emily let me Redo some other parts that I haven't gotten to yet. That are also knew. Obviously we got a lot of new information here here where he talks about the role that Giuliani played. The Giuliani propose language quote negotiating a public statement to get that Biden. Probe the BARISTA's arisen in two thousand sixteen in that language was quote being proposed by Guiliani. Emily how important is that. They're not only getting different people appearing to admit admit this but really showing everyone in real time who was writing what Giuliani. We've heard shadow foreign policy a lot. He also apparently is is a ghost writing announcements from Ukraine. Right so you see Giuliani in the middle of this and sandline who is supposed to be our ambassador ambassador to the European Union is the kind of inbetween middleman between the irregular shadow diplomacy channel. That Guiliani is is operating on and then our State Department our regular government. He's in this kind of bridge position and this is a guy who made his money operating hotels. He was a trump trump donor. He didn't have diplomatic experience and he was in a very tricky role which is now proving to be quite precarious. Yeah here's a a top Republican Mark Meadows views. It saying look even with everything that's come out Giuliani's role is fine. Take a look really jail. Giuliani we had a critical task of defending the president of the United States against allegations. Some of those that have the Ukrainian nexus assists his role as a private attorney to defend the the president against Some of the two thousand sixteen election interference allegations both for and against certainly something that a private attorney John. Well that's that's a fantasy land statement if you've ever heard one particularly given everything we know and one of the interesting things about Sunlen doing this is he was the defense that the trump himself chose the EMA. Well the text message in which she says. The president reported to me no quid. Pro Quo. And that's all evaporated in here. We have him testifying to the quid. Pro Quo in that brief statement thing on that John. Because do you find that in of itself suspicious suspicious. I mean just watching this. I'm pretty fascinated. Because this is trump's guy and he's now dishing on the call that call was supposed to in trump's might apparently remain secret and he's giving what sounds like a criminal defense it doesn't sound like they're even doing diplomacy and talking about plans. Whoever may carrying them out it's like he's calling calling him and saying no it wasn't the Hitler manslaughter and you're like I'm sorry? I thought we were talking about the directions I mean. There's something very suspicious just just about the way that trump speaks to song and he is now saying to the impeachment investigators. Look I tried to get a straight answer and what I got. Was this no bribery defense. which isn't really typically how presidents talk about achieving lawful foreign policy goals? Well I get the feeling from even the the the updated version that what's what that conversation was. Well you just just tell them that there's no quid pro quo. And he knew better than that when he communicated that back he being sunland and the everything else that he said tells us he had to know about it. And you know the question about what did he recall and when you know his statement is I had my recollection refreshed which I think is an effort to avoid the perjury of the nature that would come under the federal statute. That doesn't really allow you to recant very easily. There's a second section sixteen twenty three that allows you to do that. But this particular section he would come under required some sort of gymnastics and he did that. But you know we still have problems about the July tenth. It's meeting what he said new and what really happened and there are. Witnesses contradict them so I think he's put himself in a precarious position and originally said when they were talking about the witnesses that I I couldn't imagine putting Sunland in that position given the messages we already had from him but I think he's. He's made himself useless to trump as a witness in the trial l.. In the Senate heavily your view on that yeah. I think that's GonNa be a big problem going forward for president trump. You're going to see people continuing. Can you in to defend him. There is an increasing gap between trump's claims. At this phone call is perfect that there's nothing wrong. And then the kind of allusions in the sort of shadowy way in which on land and others are reporting that trump is talking as if he doesn't want to say what's going on kind of wink wink nod Not and that gap is going to be an increasing issue for the president and for his defenders. Joyce finally I have one more quote we try to go through wit. And they're all pretty simple tonight but this is also explaining the intricacy of what they want Giuliani to get out of Ukraine. The public statement about these Biden probes would need become they said directly from Dolinsky but it would have been written by Giuliani himself. Joyce so this is absolutely absolutely incredible. This notion rudy. Giuliani would write a statement for the president of a foreign country. They've abandoned any pretence here what they're concerned about is corruption in Ukraine. This was always about. It is about getting some sort of a benefit for the president in the upcoming presidential campaign pain. That's the only thing that's going on here. And the level of detail. It is really striking level of detail in this new to quote John. flannery this refreshed testimony. Shimoni Joyce I wanNA thank you as always invaluable part of our coverage John and Emily. I'll be coming back to you and other pieces of this up ahead. We have a lot more on the bombshell news including what it does is to the Republican defense on the hill also a different vein a different impeachment nightmare for trump Giuliani associated to is linked to Ukraine and very upset now apparently early Donald Trump himself and then as promised day one and there was already drama and incident at the Rogers. Don't trial we have. A reporter was inside the courtroom all day. Giving giving us everything you need to know and then tonight later a very special interview. Oscar winner forest whittaker on the beat. We're GONNA get into all of it. I'm Ari Melber. Stay with us Contour from Cox has all your favorites all in one place and with the contour remote you can use your voice to fund them on live. TV On demand and streaming APPs like netflix prime video and more see Cox dot com for details. And we are back with this bombshell breakthrough in the impeachment pro with top diplomat and trump loyalists reversing course and admitting a bribery plot with Ukraine to major development because ambassadors Sean Lennon's we've been reporting was handpicked by trump a top donor to the two thousand sixteen campaign and someone who literally went to bat for trump on this very scandal. He texted trump's defense in real time he claimed to Congress initially. He didn't think there was a bribe so tonight's news comes only after he faced new evidence and pressure for potential perjury. We've been covering how some trump aides admit the whole bribery plot in public claimants. It's okay some colleague going full Mulvaney. This looks more like a reverse Mulvaney. Admit the plot after denying it and while Mulvaney claimed that whatever happened was fine. Sohn's new testimony today says the Ukraine plot was improper and he assumed illegal so how'd Trump's Republican allies and the rest rest of Congress deal with this. I want to bring in fresh and live from Capitol Hill Jake Sherman from politico. Who has been all over the story and John John? Flannery back with me Jake first of all this news comes amidst some new Cuban reporting on the Republicans are trying to fortify their defense. What are you yep? Yeah so Kevin. McCarthy House majority the House Minority Leader House Republican leader and a close ally of Donald trump is going to place Jim Jordan. The another close L. I.. Of the president on the Intelligence Committee. And here's why that's significant. First of all we don't really see many pinch hitters so to speak or substitution on big big committees like that in the middle of Congress for seemingly no reason sometimes there's a vacancy need to fill it but that's not the case here and the Intelligence Committee has basically become an impeachment pitchman committee. That's how Republicans see this is the center of gravity in this probe and Donald Trump and the house republican leadership want some of their strongest allies or strongest August defenders of the President on that committee to you say strongest other people the Democratic side of said. Well they're just reaching for people who who will defend anything put Jim Jordan. As spirited warrior in that context for us. Yeah strongest I mean most fervent most host firm and most upfront and public. I think I'm not passing judgment on the character of what he's doing but he has been willing to to take bullets Serbia bullets for Donald Trump on time. Jake if you if you want good pinch hitter. They gotta be willing to go to bat right. I mean that's right and and listen and I think there are some people who believe the Devon Nunez has not been up to the task that has been behind behind the scenes on Capitol Hill in Jordan is somebody Who will go out there publicly? Defend the president. Remember this is going to move to a public phase very very so let me let me get you on that as well as our Dr as on the hill. You're talking about the public phase. I WANNA play a little bit of recent but perhaps now wildly out of date remarks by Lindsey Graham because he he previously was hanging his hat on the idea that either there wasn't this bribery plot or it wouldn't be provable today tonight. You have someone who's literally still trump's ambassador her corroborating and take a look at what we might call. Classic out Lindsey Graham if you're looking for a circumstance where the pros. The United States was threatening the Ukraine with cutting off aid unless they investigators political opponent. You'll be very disappointed. That does not exist. Assist fact check false. Evidence exists and that evidence now has been stacked. I'm going to go to you. And then John John. The evidence has been stacked from people that might be considered career or even critical of Donald Trump's policies to now someone who's loyal jake. How does that play out? I imagine we're not gonNA hear that argument from a lot of Republicans tonight. The argument you're going to hear is that there was no statement from the Ukrainians at the end of the day and the aid was restored. So how could there be a quid pro quo. That's what I've been just on the phone with a lot of my Republican sources and that's the line. They've been firing back to me. And they're they want they say listen. How how could there be a quid? Pro Quo if the US has now restored this aid without that statement. They were seeking John. Yeah well it's the kind of Orwellian newspeak we've gotten used used to when the evidence is there and manifest and obvious and it's interesting to choose Lindsey Graham is an example of the the point of the spear if you will because I. I met him when he was coming to the Judiciary Committee and he was. He was sort of dropped in there to prosecute the Clinton impeachment. And he did that in. The committee is actively as he couldn't he became one of the managers that went over to the Senate. And we've since seen what he said then contradicted by his positions now so the best you can say is that. He's a flexible. rexel advocate but worse than that is all of these members who are saying these things have seen the primary documents and the testimony. They they know what they're saying is false that means they're part of an obstruction. They're no better than the lieutenants of obstruction by the syndicate. That comes out of the West Wing to draw the point point there John. That's what I think Gordon saw may have been worried about Jake on the hill last question with the little time we have. When will we see public hearings that it has to be this month? And that's what Democrats are now saying but again then we're going to enter a real high wire face here. Where Republicans and Democrats both have significant risks? According the people in both parties I mean Republicans. Do run the risk of grasping at straws. You think and they think that they are going to have to try to create distractions to detract attract from what is now quite clear and testimony the big question for Democrats. Who Do they bring to Capitol Hill to testify? Who is up for it? And how many people can they get to Capitol Capitol Hill to testify publicly against a sitting president. And it's not entirely clear yet. There's some names being being batted back and forth but this is a high pressure situation and historic situations. We'll have to see who they choose. and and how that plays out a very busy evening unfolding here on Capitol Hill and in the the legal part the whole of this so I appreciate you making time for us Jake and John Thanks. You've bribery testimony mean for trump and Giuliani that. When we're back with mile widely in thirty seconds we are back right here with former federal prosecutor mile wildly nice to see you civil former civil prosecutor? Okay what did I say I said federal. I work with Russia Q.. On the civil civil side and a former counsel to the mayor so a lot of experience here on law and laws affects government officials. Big Picture. Because I've been discussing discussing with people How big is it to have a witness like saw inland come out? Pretty Dang big. That's my legal opinion. And he is basically Sigli saying not just oh there was a plot. But here's the detailed ways we did it. I WanNa read from this for your analysis. You have him coming out today and then you have Kurt Kurt Volker as well. We haven't hit this once yet. This is the testimony that comes out. And he says we have a conversation with Rudy to say Ukrainians are looking at this and Rudy says or doesn't say the Biden Company and it doesn't say twenty sixteen it's not credible and Volker explains Congress new today. What you're saying is at the end of the same statement insert the Biden company Barack Obama and that should be more credible and Giuliani says? Yes what does that mean there in plain English what that means in plain English is. Is that Rudy. Giuliani is actively instructing public servants. Whose job is to serve the national security interests of the United it states to essentially demand something of value something that it's important to donald trump in his personal capacity not as president of the United States of America? And so this is something that is we've been reporting out. As it hits the hill there are a lot more Senate Republicans who don't really Wanna I wanNA talk about this. In contrast to what we've seen with some of this what I call the stunting for the stunts in the house but Senator McConnell was back out today. I WanNa play this Mitch. McConnell take a look. I'm pretty sure how it's likely to end if it were today. I I don't think there's any question. It would not lead to a removal so the question is how long does the Senate WanNa take be surprised if it didn't and the the two previous ones did with the president being moved off if there is a Senate Trial Mitch. McConnell will sort of be the foreman of the jurors but a very powerful one. What do you think he's doing there? Well I read that as I'm telling you my Republican Senate delegation Shen. The way I'm seeing this which is I don't want you panicking. I don't want you seeing. This is something that somehow shifts our strategy. We're not there are yet now. That doesn't mean he's wrong right. We know that they have had meetings. We know that they've talked about you. Know what they're what what a trial might look like. There's been news reporting on that. But they really haven't figured out what's coming their way. We have Lindsey Graham refusing to read the transcripts right. He's literally saying I'm just going to bury my head in the sand and shirk my responsibilities as a senator which is on one level a way of saying. I don't think there's is anything to see here to the public. But it's another way of also saying I don't really have anything to say to this right now so I think it's pretty premature to say where the Senate will end up. Will you say that about the willful ignorance to strike. I mean Lindsey Graham is doing a reverse notorious B. I G saying if you don't know now you know oh I don't know what he doesn't want to he doesn't want to know the reality is even if he hasn't read the transcripts like any American who hasn't read the transcripts we we have heard in the news reporting including from you Ari exactly what they tell us exactly Last Question New York Times reporting the president signed off on John Dowd. Being the lawyer for the indicted Giuliani associate. Is that normal. That's interesting that's weird. That's weird because because first of all unless you have a direct conflict in which case you might get a waiver of the conflict there. He John was no longer representing the president so so this was totally political. And you got to wonder what other conversations have very striking thing. We're going to dig more into that. My widely. Thank you as always for being here still to come. We're going to break breakdown the web of relationships in the Ukraine scandal and billionaire. You need to hear more about and day. One of the Roger Stone trial did not go as planned. We have that news tonight and Rudy Giuliani's back in the news continuing to conduct a shadow foreign policy agenda with Ukraine a reminder that will Giuliani says. He's trump's lawyer. He's actually in the most trouble for things that have very little to do with practicing law and that brings us to our special report tonight. The growing web of relationships amidst these allegations of illegal actions actions in the Ukraine Scandal Guiliani of course at the center of it all for his attempted diplomacy not lawyering and take. He was paid half a million dollars by these Ukrainian businessman from an in Paris who have now been indicted but Giuliani's not their lawyer for those charges. At one time both men were represented by Giuliani's co-counsel who defended donald trump in the motor pro. He's over there on the left. You see John Dowd. In fact doubt is still from his lawyer and now those defendants claim their proximity to trump aids aids. Basically should give them some kind of trump powers is far fetched claim executive privilege and those Ukrainians that you see there are the client employing to trump lawyers. Now look at a much richer. Client this Ukrainian billionaire oligarch. Dmitry Tash a key figure linked to the Russian mob. That's according to allegations from. US prosecutors suitors and he's wanted for extradition to the US for Tosh has now hired another pair of lawyers known for making trump's case to fox. News analysts you see right. There who advocate for trombone Aaron. Who He even tried to hire his muller lawyers at one point? So take that right there. That's to trump's lawyers for the mueller probe working for Diet Ukrainians and to trump friendly lawyers working for this wanted oligarch and then it gets really interesting because they are the lawyers the conservative writer at the center of the Ukraine plot. John Solomon Solomon. He was literally pushing Ukraine scandal before there was one before. The trump call before the Ukraine money was frozen here. He was on Fox News in March arguing. Viewing that Ukraine interfered in the two thousand sixteen election. He said to benefit Clinton and now that very segment pushing these so called crowd strike conspiracy out of the blue gets tweeted out by none other than Donald Trump and. If that wasn't enough Solomon appeared in that same Fox News segment with those lawyers. He was paying at the time. Who now represent the Ukrainian oligarch with these Russian mob ties pushing for the ousting of the US ambassador to Ukraine? This is all now a focus of the impeachment inquiry Ukrainian officials leak. Paul Manafort's financial records to try to sway the US election now. We know that the Ukrainian officials were deeply involved in trying to help Hillary Clinton through this and we also now know that the current United States ambassador. Marie Ivanovich has bad mouth. The president of the United States is this woman needs to be called home to the United States lawyers talking I'm joined by. I former Watergate prosecutor. Nick Ackerman thanks for being. Here are great video. We have the web I just walked through some of it and for anyone who missed any part of it. We're going to take get piece by piece. That was a March Fox News appearance we saw there. What is the significance in your view that these people aren't kissed writers or Public Speakers Speakers and I'd be the first to defend their right to say what they want but all these legal links between them? No this is all part of this conspiracy to try and bolster Mr. Donald Trump's effort to get the Ukrainian government to investigate Joe Biden. That's what this is all about. I mean if you take that first clump of lawyers there between dowd and Giuliani and their two buddies PARNIS and Furman reflects is that legal adage that came out of the godfather when Don Corleone we only told Michael. Keep your friends close but keep your enemies closer. The idea behind this is you don't want your friends going and reading when you want them turning state's evidence and joining the chorus up on Capitol Hill as singing about the Ukrainian. It's also about the Foreign Oren money because Mr for Tauch. Is it name that people are learning in the Ukraine scandal. He's hired these Fox News analysts. That's one link away from Solomon who we just showed. Oh that but he's also hired we put this up here. Lanny Davis who represents Michael Cohen. So you got a couple of things going on here. That are curious one is this representation between Solomon and the to Fox News lawyers and and almost trump lawyers at one point. I mean we have no reason to. I believe that Solomon's under investigation or that. He needs these two people to represent him in fact he shows up on TV. They're all in the same place I mean to me. This appears to be just trying to us. Attorney client privilege as a way to basically take information that starts with Donald. Trump Giuliani goes over to furnish British down to these lawyers and then to Solomon who then winds up publishing it. And if he's ever asked where he got the information attorney client privilege so you. I think it might be an abuse of these privilege. That's right and if it ever came to it I mean if he ever had to go before a judge if he ever was questioned before a House Committee and where did you get this information and the House committee pushed him any refused. Did he said attorney client privilege. A judge would have the right in camera to determine Sherman whether or not there really was a privilege here and Muller was able to bring lawyers in enforcement of testify which is controversial but he had enough proof to to break through that he also charges a lawyer. Michael Cone is a lawyer being a lawyer as I think everyone has been reminded. Does it mean that you are above the law just means you have some extra privileges if you don't abuse them on the Giuliani piece. I want to play for you the way he's touted. Because here's someone who is we've discussed. He does business with these to Ukraine A. and linked individuals who then have criminal defense by John Dowd but Guiliani hasn't been. Shall we say shy about this. He says his links to the president are a good reason to hire him. Take a look and I think I offer what I offer to this or something unique. I'm a lawyer who knows the criminal justice system as well as anybody anybody in America. I'm also a very good friend of Donald Trump. Is there something wrong with him. Touting the relation with trump while working working allegedly pro bono and then getting paid by other people. Yeah I mean this is this is the problem with the entire administration. This is not the Kennedy Administration. Were John F.. Kennedy said asked asks not what you can do for your country or the country can do for you but what you can do for your country this is all about these people lining their own pockets and using donald trump as a way to make lots of money. The problem with Rudy. Giuliani is the minute he left. That mayor's office. The new he went out and went out to work in the private sector. Sure I mean he was all about might making money he and Donald Trump are one of the two kind their only concern is how can they line their own pockets. So that's part word of what Giuliani is doing here. Clearly what's going on with that relationship. Well it's quite thicket. Which is why we wanted to take some time and get some counsel from an experienced lawyer? Nick Ackerman becoming always appreciate you being here. Sir Thank you coming up the criminal trial Roger Stone kicking off today with drama and surprise we have a report from inside the courtroom and later tonight. Oscar winner forest whittaker making his debut on the we're talking Obama Civil Rights Malcolm X.. A lot more and the White House braces for a potential Senate trial. Donald Trump today marks the first day of trial for trump's longest serving irving adviser Roger Stone. who was famously arrested by armed federal agents at his Florida home in January and this footage that went viral because stone himself released it? The arrest arrest came by agents acting under the authority of the Mueller. Probe at the time stone has been fighting those charges ever since even arguing that this routine handcuffing and escorting him out of his home was a violation of his rights. No judge has agreed with that today. Stone walked into court for jury selection for this new trial where he faces charges for lying. Congress witness tampering and obstructing justice. Now we turn to someone who was inside that very courtroom today. Political reporter Darren Samuelsson. Thanks for joining me. Good evening. Good evening what did you see inside the courtroom today. And what does it tell you about this sure. Well this morning got got off to a pretty Fit she's me into a very rough start. Roger Stone came in to court and only about twenty minutes in after the first questions with one of the very first jurors Roger Stone got up and he left with his wife apparently very ill. He later told the judge that he had food poisoning left after lunch and didn't come back to the Court House. There was another Rapid fire incident. That happened right. After Roger Stone left where a man in the back of the court who started moaning and convulsing and fell down in the whole courtroom is cleared out. Apparently he had a seizure Medical personnel showed up Then he was taken out on a stretcher but apparently walked out of this courthouse Not Too long after the incident happened so a little bit of drama to start the opening moments of the Roger Stone trial several unusual incidents there We wish everyone well when you look at what we expect in the witness list list. I read from the reporting that trump advisor. Michael Caputo was in the courtroom today along with some others. Who Do we expect to hear from as this unfolds? Sure Steve Bannon is probably the biggest name witness the former Donald Trump campaign chairman. He'll be coming in during the government prosecution part of this case which will probably take place either later later this week or perhaps early next week Steve Bannon will be called on to testify about interactions between Roger Stone in the Donald Trump campaign. And what he knew about the Wiki not leaks document dumps whether Roger Stone was coordinating in any way shape or form with the Donald Trump campaign looking forward to Steve Bannon's testimony when he appeared before the molar all our grand jury. Roger Stone attacked him in print. This is back during the course Robert Muller's investigation. So that's very fascinating to watch his testimony before Luzerne. Let me ask you. What do you see as the key for the stone side? And how can they argue that. He basically was more performing or goofing than really trying to tamper temper. I think that's their total defense. Here is that they were Roger. Stone is an act and in the course of that act. He was He was definitely trying to Get the democratic campaign to bite and Unfortunately he's got to deal with the fact that he was Called to testify before Congress and allegedly gave answers that were misleading. It didn't Give lawmakers they were looking for. It's it's GonNa be really interesting to watch how that Roger Stone Defense plays out. We really don't know Through the court filings that they've done over the course of the last nine nine ten months They've been fighting over issues that the judges dismissed or said you know you can't even bring these up during the course of the case so I think their defense is really looking for one juror here ultimately to have reasonable doubt and to quit and get them off with these charges Darren Samuelson after a busy and long day inside that courtroom courtroom behind you. I appreciate you joining the I bet we and others will be asking after you again as this unfolds. Thank you sir. Thank you appreciate it up ahead. We have something very special on the Oscar. Winner Forest Whittaker. We're getting into Obama Malcolm X.. And maybe something else special when we come back. We are on the roof with acclaimed actor forest whitaker known. For everything from global blockbusters like Black Panther and star wars rogue one too complex dramas such as the Butler and the last king of Scotland which one whitaker an Oscar for his performance as Ugandan dictator. Idi Amin Whitaker Stars as notorious. It's mob boss Bumpy Johnson and the new EPIX show the godfather of Harlem. Let's take a look time justice. Welcome back just I just couldn't from sugarhill. Don't think you could play me. I heard you got out of that. What is it you want from me about something that want to see more heroin win? Come out of the project towels. Any other place in Harlem would like to shutting down corners of the nation's 'cause I got it got soldiers forest whittaker. Thanks for being here to be. How do you approach this character? Playing this gangster bumpy Johnson Johnson was Torius gangster or the Godfather Harlem. And so I I got an opportunity to look at some of the records of his criminal records Look at SEUSS's poetry. Try to look historically at what's going on because this piece. Mary's like criminal world with the Civil Rights Movement and also the political system. Let's go to the country at the time you were talking about history. We see this gangster and we see 'em as a lawbreaker but the show also portrays him dealing with lawmakers like Adam Clayton Powell. Civil Rights leaders lies that important in the store is critical because the pieces this is talking about trying to pursue the American dream and the human rights issues. That happened to stop you from being able to do that so I think the relationship between bumpy Johnson and his friend in mathematics is really crucial to the peace. Because we're watching the sort of criminal. UNDERCLASS which is Bobby's character like How it's affecting the community itself now? I've been watching you like a lot of people for a long time today. Meeting you for the first time is further proof. Of what a transformative actor are you are because you couldn't be more different in person and more chill than some of your performances. Okay you blew a lot of people away in the last king of Scotland. Let's take a look at that. I want to tell me. What do you mean to tell you what to do? His advice out. You could just yet India to me not to throw the as it's out in place but you did not persuade me Nicholas loot swayed me. What are you channeling? There and I did so much research work on that I started like five or six months before I even went to Africa like just learning learning like T- Swahili and studying the history. China understand the politics of the day and I got there and I didn't start meeting everyone. I could his family being An EX parliamentarians to supporters people on the street it became a long exploration of trying to China understands stands man and understand what he was being put through to not making make some of the choices that he did pretty horrific. I want to ask you about about the way people react to you in pop culture. Because you've got to this point where you're you're kind of in that legend status you see yourself that way but other people do Have you heard me. Go Song Forest Whittaker. Yeah Yeah I think I like me goes through and how do I share. That saw the first time. I think I heard it was my daughter called me from school in told me to explain this song and Listen to it and it's really pretty brilliant. The way it took all of these different films and things I'd done and put them together in this amazing songs so I mean there there was quite surprising. Actually can and I read you. Some of the migos lines is sure. you talking about gas. We're having a forest came from the gump. No forest poorest break in your safe house like whitaker who you're talking about forest whittaker if you didn't get the picture I think those is interesting because like on the show the the show itself we. It was Switzerland. Who worked on the music on the soundtrack and he brought in all these different musicians artists but he savage twenty one savage belly? Rick Ross. The next came up for that to all of these different artists. Listen I have great respect. What they're doing what they're trying to do so in wrapping up? I'd love to do a little bit of a

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