Democrats formally begin impeaching Trump with Pelosi announcement
Breaking Impeachment News Speaker Pelosi making it official saying the house will do what many thought it was on. Its Way to impeach president trump's starting now they're not waiting being as we've heard in some of the debates courts to rule on anything else or deal with stonewalling witnesses. They are moving sadly but with confidence and humility with allegiance to our founders and heart full of love for America. Today I'm asking chairman to proceed with articles of impeachment Pelosi also dispensing with some of her other reticence and today dubbing Donald trump a coward when it comes to this process. Some saying there's really no choice. Other than impeaching him given the mountain of evidence against him. The facts of the Ukraine situation and just changed. Everything you crane was the vehicle of the President's action this is about this about Russia. Who benefited by our withholding withholding of that military assistance? All Roads Lead to Putin understand that that that was the moment the Aha moment. Think about what. We're witnessing right there because the speaker has moved so methodically. She didn't rush to impeachment. Everyone knows that and she is not letting only the report or the evidence make the case. The report is the foundation and ultimately any article of impeachment needs elements not unlike although not the same as a criminal process but speaker Pelosi going broader saying. It's not just Ukraine. It's Russia it's not just abuse of power or bribery. It's national security. It is. She says a matter of national import weather we maintain democracy. She made this point saying that that if Congress does not impeach on this evidence well maybe impeachment shouldn't even be in the constitution anymore. So that's where the speaker is. What else is happening? What we have other news for you knew new today? The House Judiciary Committee has announced. Its Second Committee Hearing Judiciary Chairman Nadler Working on drafting articles of impeachment and evidence. Hearing on Monday they will have have a lot of witnesses that are of interest given that they're coming from the intelligence committee those lawyers so then we'll see the scope size. What any articles that are now being literally written tonight? That's sorry I couldn't have told you last night for sure. They're writing them. What will they say? Will they deal with this as narrow or broad as an abuse of power as bribery. And what will they do with a witness this who also may be a CO Conspirator. Of course I'm talking about Rudy Giuliani whereas well he's in Ukraine today of all places. He says he's meeting with prosecutors. which are of course? Also a potential witnesses in all of this on these continuing to talk up the conspiracy theories around the Biden's you're looking at him with the Ukrainian lawmaker. Those photos were posted. Today we have them via Reuters their undated but they were newly posted a reporter with him also putting out separate photos of him sitting down for an interview with the former prosecutor. General of Ukraine. Sankoh Giuliani also says that he's filming a series on the pro-trump one America News Network. I WanNa tell you about this. We looked into it. We found one promotional video which which also shows a former Ukrainian official and the DC issues and all of them at a table. Here with Giuliani. That's basically what they do. That's you're looking at that on a loop and that's the end part of whatever this plot is so you have all of that and then you have these looming questions tonight of. What's the response all this and who's going to make it? Given the trump administration's nations been boycotting the impeachment proceedings. And that brings me to the final thing I want to tell you before we go to our guests take a deep breath. WHO's going to show up and defend the president on this plot law? Well no one in Washington today. But his personal attorney Rudy Giuliani newly live tweeting a defense of the president from Ukraine. I want to bring in Congressman. Eric Swallowed Intelligence Committee. The Roots Jason Johnson and conservative Bill Kristol director of the group defending democracy together. Good evening all congressman. There is the serious There is heavy there is the Baroque and there is the bizarre and what I went through. I think covers a bunch of it right now Your view of what it means to your committees and to the Congress to have the president's lawyer WHO's at the center of this plot doing those meetings today and literally live tweeting leading. A defense from Ukraine Rudy Giuliani being in Ukraine shows that this is a crime spree in progress and that gives us an urgency to act act and to anyone who asks. Are you moving too quickly. I say the president's lawyer is moving quickly to continue to ask a foreign government to cheat our elections and doing nothing scene is completely off the table. We have to secure our elections. We have powerful uncontradicted evidence now and now is the time to hold the president accountable and determine which impeachment articles we should proceed with. Take a look at Part of what Giuliani is posting. It's a farce evidence. Since will be released very soon. He says it supports his views Interesting that he brings up since you as you well know. He's been withholding participating in providing evidence with your committee. I I gotTa Tell Congressman. I spoke to a very seasoned attorney. Today who said that it. It looks like potential witness tampering. To have him over there talking to these people that are subjects of your prob- well we have seen from this president Witness Tampering Brin jury. Tampering intimidation of witnesses. And so it's not surprising at all but we have to focus on our is. That Rudy Giuliani Johny as Donald Trump and Donald. Trump is Rudy Giuliani. The president can throw many other people under the bus and distance himself from them. He can't do that with Rudy Giuliani. We have evidence in the intelligence committee. report that the president told anyone who was working. On Ukraine Rudy is my guy on Ukraine and that Rudy Giuliani has represented the people that he he is the president's person on Ukraine so they're inseparable and so if rudy is to be held to account that means the president has to be held to account. Jason Well Yeah. You can't say that the left doc hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing it and I think the critical thing here if we look at the sort of stepping back Nancy Pelosi said something really fascinating today when she she'd said you know we're going through impeachment. She was adamant about this. Not being political this not being partisan this is not about from the standpoint of switching the polls or getting undecided voters. It's about twenty two thousand from the standpoint of election integrity that if you have a president who was established that he will try to cheat and that he solicited the assistance from other people. If we don't hold him accountable accountable for trying to disrupt the actual process that we can't move forward so I I'm pleased to see that we finally reached this point. Where look the president? We got the evidence. I'm glad that Nancy Pelosi is gone. That far it's GonNa be fascinating. Is the writing now of these impeachment articles. How long that process will take what it will look like? And we might see a preview of that at least some of those conversations happening on Monday back. Bill join me here on set. I'm tempted to try to do something that would help. People see how today is not like yesterday how Giuliani's trip is so brazen and beyond that. We do struggle for words. Should we throw a mug off off the set. Should we swear. Should we do something to say that the brazenness of what we just showed in the top is in itself its own new incredible development. I think it is. I mean Jason's point is interesting speaker out of her way today and answering the question to say look I disagree with Donald Trump and I really. I strongly disagree with them and dislike what he has done and a lot of areas mentioned DACA immigration climate change but those are for twenty twenty. That's to resolve luxury but this is about the constitution and the oath you take nick and it's about the twenty twenty election which trump clearly had an interest in having a foreign government effects by by announcing an investigation. There wasn't a real one real caused for of the Biden family. So that I think really does folk. I hope that she and other stay on the scene. They need to focus people why the impeachment is both just why he he has done things that deserve impeachment and why it's necessary and urges. I do think Giuliani being over there. It's so wacky the almost want to laugh about it and make 'em is tweet at he's having drinks was was various disreputable generally disreputable characters. But he is involved in the plot right. He is acting in a way Putin's agent. He's meeting with pro-putin people in in Ukraine to disrupt Saya cut the current Ukrainian government and to create this fictitious narrative of something or other about Obama and Joe Biden and bill and he said had he said in a tweet yesterday I believe Biden said and remember he was talking about the phone calls to the White House. I call them all the time. I'm the president's lawyer. He is the president's lawyer. It's not that you was the president's lawyer and now he's over there doing certain things so for us we know unless unless president trump and said he is and he's the person's lawyer and also representing the President of the United States in Ukraine. It's pretty unbelievable. He's also a former prosecutor. Who still knows how wiretaps work he knows? He's under investigation if he wants to talk to to these witnesses for the purposes of the criminal investigation or the impeachment probe He knows that calling them up is likely to be giving the goods back to SDN. Why does that speak to also what what may be a little bit of a nervousness and having to go do in person meetings in Ukraine? Yeah I hadn't thought of that. Actually the wiretap issue but yet it does suggest that they are worried worried right. He needs to get people over there to either manufacturer some evidence or create excuses for what he has done. I suppose what the President has done but I do think this is a case. Where the facts clear? They need to keep it. Simple and clear enters the articles and I think the speaker and Chairman Schiffer determined to do that I think the obstruction of justice and the obstruction of Congress are very very strong articles as well. Yeah you could almost as a matter of constitutional not just law constitutional practice and uphold the constitution resisting the house not providing material to the house when it's explicitly impeachment inquiry is really unbelievable. There's a long tradition that on this house has to get the material and this is the housing. How can they decide whether two the percent? And this is the greatest power. They're they're they're at their highest point congressman. Take a listen to the Republican perspective. Here new from Congressman scalise. Going after Pelosi. Hello see still faxed each. But they're gonNA do it anyway. I think the biggest is all done and thank you start to see today. Pelosi just rally foreigners congressman. That's how they talk about women you know if it was a man talking to a reporter that way and the president Does that often They would never characterize it that way. She was asked to an unfair question. And she gave a serious response But I also he will go to make that point. Let's show it's a folks folks can see that. It was a pretty strong exchange with conservative reporter a veteran of Fox News right after the announcement of that impeachment plant speaking. You've anybody ask anybody. Don't this is about the constitution of the United States. And the facts that leads to presidents violation of Zone of office this as a Catholic I resent. You're using the word hate in the sentence that addresses me. I don't hate anyone. I was raised in a way that has a heart hearts full of love and always prayed for the president. And that's still pray for the president. I pray to the president all the time. So don't mess with me when it comes to words. Loyd like that congressman. These are serious times and we need people to approach this with with the seriousness that it deserves. And so you know to Steve Scalise Earlier the facts are there and what I think the American people are going to have to consider Is this what we want. The president of the United States to be able to do to use your taxpayer money to ask a foreign government to cheat election. And if Lieutenant Colonel Vin men and Masha Ivanovich and Fiona Hill can show the courage to come forward and risk their reputations and their jobs to do the right thing then these Republicans can do their damn jobs and do the right thing and uphold the constitution congressman. Speaking Defensive Your speaker in a defensive what I know our many of the the issues that have been raised in this series proceeding. Appreciate you joining US tonight. We'll catch up soon. I appreciate it bill. Stay and bill. I want to turn to one more piece of this. We've got a lot to get to here so the third piece of this is what we're learning about the actual case in the actual articles and it was very interesting today and another exchange exchange with a reporter. NBC's Garrett Hake Pelosi not wanting to speak to the big question about other alleged obstruction. Take a look. Do you WANNA see elements of the Muller report or these other medications that the chairman will be making recommendations adult. What the The our counsel are lawyers achier the staffs of the committees at Vincent and look to them for their judgment. How do you read that for people who care about these issues shoes? You run a group about the rule of law politically. There may be reasons not to go to big substantively. If you think the president instructed the muller pro you have an obligation nation in Congress to deal with it but I mean you're a lawyer but don't use the prosecutor want to have your strongest count there and not have the more complicated ones. Maybe if necessary you you know giving slightly easier targets perhaps so you don't you don't like as a strategy you know getting back into it. I like mentioning as part of a pattern and I think that easiest way to do it is to have it in their me in a sentence or two as part of a pattern of obstruction a pattern of Welcoming foreign interference in our elections. You can have it in each of the Zubi three articles if they are three the abuse of power and bribery article the obstruction of justice article and the obstruction of Congress article. Those are all relevant to the mall. But I would have that more. As an instance of a pattern of which Ukraine crane is the key decisive moment. When I think this is true about the speaker at about a majority of the house they wouldn't maybe thought they should have? But they wouldn't have actually impeached just on the Muller report so you can't sort of retroactively make that up I think and I think they can use it as a as an example but they need to keep the focus on Ukraine. I think interesting to get your take. As a noted trump a critic in other words there are people who think of you in fact people have said this about you that you will take anything and everything against him and you're disagreeing with that tonight and saying at best it should be supporting evidence. Jason your view it will. Nancy Pelosi knows that not only in Congress but the country. There's an appetite for impeachment. But you can't just sort of fill ova plate right. You're going to have to get something that people can eat in small pieces that they can understand that they can take back to their constituents and explain when twenty twenty comes around so it makes sense that she somewhat narrow casting it right now. But here's the other issue. The only reason that Ukraine matters is because of Muller. It's because of previous things at the president said this this this in basketball we would almost must be calling this a makeup call. You're not getting this technical foul for what you just did. It's for the five other guys that you kick. If Donald Trump had an engaged such consistent and brazen behaviour if he weren't still doing win things like having Rudy Giuliani literally over there. We just accuse you of being in the cookie jar and guys over there with chips. Ahoy in Ukraine right. Now if the president wasn't continued to engage in this behavior haven wouldn't even have Ukraine so the idea of focusing specifically on this particular behavior keeping the money from the landscape and in order to affect twenty twenty but saying that this is the end end result of the mobile report and several other things that they've done that actually makes a lot of sense for Congress. Something the people can understand that it's striking very interesting here. Both you on that Jason Johnson. Our gratitude there's always bill stick around. I think you know why. And it's a reason for a lot of people to stick around coming up. We're also going to get to a fact check of Donald Trump's new defense against impeachment Ukraine actually hasn't gotten auden all the money. I'll explain new evidence later a breakdown on the Ukraine scheming. Why so much of it has blown up in Rudy Giuliani's face because of Fox News and we'll show you brand new? You're looking at Joe Biden and trying to diffuse some of these issues with voter today and then yes reunited in feels so good. I am not joking. Bill kristol stole fat. Joe Tonight on the way for it and it'll happen this hour when we come back. Hey Everyone Steve Kornacki here. We have heard explosive testimony from. I'm key witnesses in the public impeachment hearings. So what's next. As the case for impeachment been made could the President Coun- Republican support in a Senate trial. And how could it affect the twenty twenty election. Will every Monday Wednesday and Friday I talked to. NBC News reporters to answer these questions and more on article two inside impeachment impeachment. It's an NBC News. podcast host we break down what matters what's next and what it means for our country search. Now wherever you're listening to this podcast to subscribe for free. Thanks for listening. Now we turn to a new story that we have not had time to cover it all this week because so much has been happening. And I bet if you've been following impeachment yeah it will interest you because it's new evidence blowing a hole through a core trump impeachment defense. You've probably heard a lot about from the White House side. This is now anew from this house impeach report has gotten almost no attention yet understandably given that. It's a long report and a lot has been happening. The issue is at the heart of trump's alleged bribery every scheme that military aid that was withheld from Ukraine for extortion. In fact we mentioned Speaker Pelosi's new remarks. She cited that money in her new statement. The president abused his power for his own personal political benefit at the expense of our national security by withholding military aid withholding military. A everyone who's followed this knows the money did ultimately get unfrozen when they got caught. Donald Trump learned that he whistle blower was actually going after after this whole plot and he relented now. Many trump supporters have argued. This is very important. You've probably seen this line of argument. That Ukraine ultimately got the money and that cancels out any impeachable offense the real bottom line is he. Got The money you've got the money the Ukrainians did nothing to as far as investigations goes to get the aid release so there was never this. Quid pro quo. I look at it this way. The aid is air and the investigations didn't happen so if there was a quid pro quo would certainly one very effective when they got the money. Let's take this two points one. It's not a valid legal defense to bribery. In fact other other politicians are imprisoned today for successful bribery plots so trump's alleged extortion of Ukraine was going on wall. The money was frozen. That's what made it allegedly extortion. That's number one but number two. What's new tonight? This report also cuts into trump's defense on the facts because for all of the talk like what I just showed you about. The White House is releasing all the Ukraine money. Trump's actions have denied Ukraine. Not a dollar or one hundred thousand dollars or a million dollars but thirty five five million dollars of that aid. The report noting Pentagon officials confirming Ukraine still is not received thirty five million security assistance yet to be dispersed meaning in those funds which were approved under. US Law have not gone out. This isn't a rounding error which you see very simply on your screen is fourteen percent of the entire money has still been denied Ukraine so trump did not actually get all the money back to Ukraine even as he tried to lift the hold to cover up the plot which adds context to something else that you're about to see the Senate floor there. September twenty six on that day lawmakers took a little noticed action. They passed a new special law as a way to get the money. That trump had blocked Ukraine at some point in the future extending the window for transferring it because it had been blocked. You see right here anyone. Paying very close attention would have noticed in this is a somewhat industry publication military's affairs covered by defense one noting Senate passes Ukraine aid extension. So why am I talking about this right now. This is not just history. This is now tonight new evidence against Donald Trump for his potential impeachment. That vote was revealing and it did have some Republicans on board which showed they still wanted the money to get back to Ukraine very unusual problem that lawmakers who by the way don't get everything passed into law. I think we all know about that. They took this seriously and the next day after trying to fix the delay at eight which this report says is still nine Ukraine millions. Well it was still a big deal rattling lawmakers on the floor let's see. Russia has invaded Ukraine. Ukraine is dependent upon the United States for military assistance to defend itself. Trump is withholding the at the same time asking them for dirt on his political opponent. He's jeopardizing the national security interests interests of the United States. Maybe you've never seen that moment before that was on the week to Congress took this extraordinary. Bipartisan vote to try to free three of money. Money that we're learning in the new report. Donald trump actions have prevented from going to Ukraine. So anytime you hear this defense that actually all the money went to Ukraine. The kind have no harm no foul defense. The news apart from the legal stuff. I mentioned that is factually false. Not all the money went to Ukraine and as of tonight trump administration still doesn't have a good reason as to why I wanted to get you that news and now we're going to go onto something really interesting. The report from the House Intelligence Committee shows anything anything. People say on Fox News can and will be used against them when we're back in thirty seconds Peterborough but moving forward against president trump even as he aged refused to testify or explain their conduct. Now I've told you going through new facts intelligence support not just talking walking although we do plenty of talking and I wanna show you something else right now. This report stitches together evidence from trump and his aides so while they won't testify. The report emphasizes is the Democrats. Think they can prove key damning parts of this plot based partly on these scheming and incriminating statements in public specifically broadcast live on Fox which which looks especially bad because it was occurring before this whistleblower came forward back in April when no one was talking about Ukraine Giuliani suddenly took an interest in a then obscure company. Johnny Barista so I began getting some people that were coming forward and telling me about that. And then all of a sudden they revealed the story about Berea smer her and Biden Shun all of a sudden Biden. Impeachment probe is finding evidence to trump's Ukraine. Plot was fundamentally think about propaganda. The goal was pushing Ukraine to damage the Biden's in public not about actually investigating foreign corruption. It was about getting talk of Biden and corruption on American television in a loop from Fox News Act to Ukraine back to CNN and entire political conversation that was designed to tarnish cornish the Biden brand as he witnessed cited in the report explained. It was all about hitting Biden on air. Not whether anyone actually did the investigations he had to announce the investigations. He didn't actually have to do them as I understood it. This was a demand that presidents Alinsky personally commit on a cable news channel to a specific investigation of president trump's political rival and this new report. We have documents it with Giuliani secretly plotting thing in March to get the probe launched publicly touting his clues on television now that plot was of course exposed so it partly failed but D- report shows more exhaustively really than we've ever seen until this week how it was supposed to work kind of a drumbeat building to what they planned an international televised announcement of a probe. which had that happened it? Would it made Giuliani and Co look maybe prescient when in fact they were predicting quote unquote the outcome. They were secretly engineering backed by the the frozen money and all the other White House plotting so take a look in April as the report notes on the same day conservative writer John Solomon pushed by allegations. Giuliani went on Fox News news to push them further. I got information about three or four months ago. That a lot of the explanation for how this whole phony investigation in started. We'll be in the Ukraine that there were a group of people in the Ukraine that will work in a help Hillary Clinton and were colluding really with the Clinton campaign and it stems around the ambassador and the embassy being used for political purposes. A month later Giuliani was darkly predicting Biden would be investigated by election day but falsely claiming claiming the investigation was coming up because Giuliani wanted it but because it was warranted. It's a big story or too dramatic story and I guarantee he you. Joe Biden will not get to election day without this being investigated. Not because I want to see him investigated this is collateral to what I was doing. The evidence shows that's false trump and Giuliani did want him to be investigated. That's why they were predicting it in the report. Shows trump was in all the plotting pushing another Ukraine conspiracy. I see guess where also on Fox News take a look at Ukraine. How come the FBI didn't take the server? Podesta told him to get out. Get out so how come the didn't take the server from the DNC trump and Guiliani push those false conspiracy theories to try to hurt Biden and they wound up hurting themselves. But here's a question. Did they believe those things were true. Maybe which could explain why this plot backfired so badly. It's one thing to cook up a propaganda drug deal the trick others. There's another thing to trick yourself. And since John Bolton so memorably brought up the idea of cooking drugs this is where the Ukraine plotters violated a crucial crack commandment number four. I know you heard this before. Never get high on your own supply will. Maybe they were so high. I on crowd strike embarrassment. They started believing it and it may be clouded their judgment. That is not a legal defense in fact this report documents. The goal of propaganda is to hurt your opponents regardless of the truth for all the talk of the two thousand sixteen server the evidence shows trump wanted to run basically the same play that worked in twenty-six Hillary Clinton was never actually indicted let alone convicted over emails. Everyone knows that and the new emails that did get rumored and come out. They didn't change gain the outcome of those investigations. But boy. Do you remember this. If you take one thing from this special report let it be this do you remember how. Just the talk of potential investigations reopening investigations. Especially if you talk about it on Fox News followed by bad news. Well that can really affect an election right it got to that. You're going to hear about an extradition. I mean I'm talking about some pretty big surprise I heard. Did you say that this morning. What do you mean? You'll you'll see. He said that was twenty. Sixteen here they were at it again with the same person on the same channel the same type of propaganda with some details different. This time though it blew up it looks like it may get Donald trump impeach. Which is where biggie? Smalls gives way to Sean Carter when it comes to framing your opponent the same same sort that night you can goodnight you. Let's get into it now with wanting to talk to her at the Center for American Progress Action Fund. Good evening. Hey how you doing. I'm all right. There's a lot in this report we're still bringing out the evidence. What do you think of this propaganda portion? It all goes back to what Dr a fee on a Hill said. This is language that is sanctioned from Russia that is going to be divisive to our country and destructive to our democracy. And and what they did as you highlighted. There's no such thing as coincidence. All the bread comes or laid out in public. They let the public know exactly what they were doing. And using using the same playbook in two thousand sixteen because but the only difference here now is that we have whistle blower we got a whistle blower who came forward with a report and a complaint and now Congress. Chris has taken steps to get to the truth and what they've done with all of the expert testimony. All of the witnesses coming forward is now shifts. Team has is laid out a very clear case against trump and what he and all of his allies have been doing this entire time and there's no way to rebut it. There's no way to to really counteract all all the facts that they willingly went on public and said repeatedly. Yeah they said it in public which which takes Miranda rights and turns them into a Hannity version. What what you say on Fox News Cannon? We'll be used against you and so much of it is admitted and it's also very striking to see times. Where then they go back to hiding? What the Democrats are doing is potentially obstruction Rudy Giuliani blatantly? Brazenly out in Ukraine. Men's saying he can't tell you about the show him in an interview being dodgy when it is his It is reported. He was speaking at the time from Ukraine. Take a listen. I can't really describe it. I can't even confirm though I can tell you which that I am doing today all day and all night. Maybe what I've been doing for a year and a half representing my client. I am not involved. How in the twenty twenty election that is democratic garbage? I'm involved in sending my client who's innocent against false short Juanita part of that itself has proven to be false. And if he wanted to defend his client he would have done it in front of Congress. He is in Ukraine right now. Now on behalf of president trump and I need the American public to really let that sink in that even with all of this facts out all of the evidence out he is still in Ukraine doing trump's bidding. Like nothing happened. None of this matters. And ultimately this really align with what Pelosi what schiff have really been saying. This is an active threat right to our democracy and the upcoming election cycle. And that's why they are forced to take action. You lay it out clearly and the report has a lot of material. We're GONNA continue to make sense of because it's just. It's just a lot of new information that shed some light. Whatever one thinks of it? Whatever one's views of it are thanks as always thanks? I want to turn next to a fiery every clash out on the campaign trail that also involves impeachment and some of these other stories quite revealing when we come back the meet the press. Chuck Todd Cast. It's an insider's take on politics. The twenty twenty election and more candid conversations with some of my favorite reporters about things we usually discuss off camera. Listen for free wherever you get your podcast. And there's been a lot of reporting on the evidence facts in substance of impeachment but because this is ultimately we've been reporting a propaganda campaign about twenty twenty. There is used related politics. Everyone knows that. Including how the target of this smear campaign is responding Biden was out today calling. Well what he calls lies. You're you're GonNa see this in a moment but let me show you some context. Because he's tried to address this several times. In fact remember what Joe Biden said in the first days after the whistle blower story broke. Wait wait wait wait a second wait a second one. Single credible outlet is giving any credibility to his assertion. Not One single one and so I have no comment except the president. Start to be pressured. No comment except that one and more to come in fact since then Joe Biden widen of course has been presented with this has to deal with it and all kinds of forms including those highly watched debates. My son did did nothing wrong. I did nothing wrong. I carried out the policy. The United States government in rooting out corruption in in Ukraine three. And then that's what we should be focusing on be on the campaign trail. The Biden folks also launched this website. I don't know if you've seen it but it tries to deal so with trump's accusation it says it's fact checking just the facts folks. Critics have argued that sometimes these types of efforts which are somewhat old school give oxygen the repetition to the very attacks. Joe Biden says are worthless and that brings us to something new. That's making all kinds of waves today. Joe Biden out campaigning. All these campaigns pains are continuing. He's campaigning at the center of this impeachment crisis which involves attacks on him now with your own eyes. You can see exactly what happened. You're selling access to the president. Just like he was an waterbeds. That's not true. And what is their own in has. My Son has done anything wrong and I did not have any occasion has ever said I sell my son the work nor the number two said I were straightjacket. Get your words straight. Anyone at a human level could understand Joe Biden's feelings about this what he says and what have been demonstrated to be lies including involving his son. This is also a top Democratic candidate and and how he deals with the pressure after as we showed you he said no comment fact check and now a flash of understandable emotion. One thing to keep in mind is voters owners are gonNA continue to assess how Joe Biden who rarely live TV interviews on any of these topics. How he's handling it and whether his campaign is ready for what would come if he stays? He's in this race or becomes the nominee. Now when we come back I have something very special that I think some of you may enjoy because we've got a lot of feedback about it when it happens before on the beat tonight two very special guests when we come back a house. Democrats making it official. They are drafting articles of impeachment. teeing up a floor vote. The Democrats vowed a win and then trial of president trump that could captivate Americans presenting deming evidence to millions of people. who think about it? Aren't maybe political obsessive news junkies that follow this every day which leads us tonight to a big question. What story the rest of America here and will be an inflection point in the trump saga that actually changes minds? The trump era has already changed politics. And it's brought many strange alliances together including creating a political friendship that began on this very set Bush neo conservative. Bill Kristol and grammy nominated rapper. Fat Joe Finding Common Cause in their concern about trump's threat to democracy see. They're back here tonight. With Joe's twelve studio album coming out and bill kristol advocating for the rule of law with his organization defending democracy together so from terrorist. Squad ought to the squad we have to icons back together. Great to see you guys great to be back yard couple man. How's he lived? We're legends on the street. I walk was bill like I go to some places where it was the last time someone asks you. Go Stone Crab in Miami. Somebody approached me and said Yeah Bill Kristol. They think he's part of the entourage is something he's very. That was my cousin. Are you ready to get into terrorist squad. I A speech synthesizer people ask me about all. The time actually happens to give him the lyrics help in my hand I will help them out with the show with would bail eight spinoff. Shaw WanNa do a show with bill and I'm like of course. Well well I got. I got news about this in the Green Room. And we have a whole discussion. Should we include you. What's a tough decision? Let's face it we really need. You really need juice. He raises circle. Vesey Nice to let factor nice. Let Them I've got news for Americans. The show is happening right now. That a lot of stories come and go. You're interested in politics. Not Everybody is. How do you think this impeachment story goes out to regular people? I think it's the people who are political junkies. Tuned in for your average person is just going over their head. Because it's it's been vice. Vice versa is but trump bashing and trump going back. And it's just I just feel like it's been so much going on with my fly over your average person's Edberg amazed. How many people? I know intelligent people people who do all the news. Oh come on does not that serious you know. And people really are able to cite it off his based on tell of to America's right now view democratic you follow certain stations Republican you follow certain stations nations tune into Fox just to see what they say and I cringe and ten minutes a change back to where to look at Ari. You know what I mean. A and S. What's going on in America telling the story and we tell them the story and and everybody's choosing their side and and and you know and that's what's going on with? The news was going on with the people that it seems like the diehards diehards and never trump's other never trump's and that's what's going on the media that's going on in the workplace. That's what's going on in America and yet you know talk about changing the minds about trump hip hop has changed. Its mind about trump. Because was he used to get shout. Outs and the facts evolve and people said okay. No more shout outs. Because this isn't a game anymore I mean I was. I was so interested in trump when he was running whether he was Republican than not. It wasn't too. He gave his first speech coming down the ESCALATOR and call the Mexicans drug dealers in all A. Ah George Rob I used to see Donald Trump walking down the street. Why Nick Gangs? I could not believe I was there for trump men. I had the popcorn like the means like I was I go. Let's see what he's doing. A fat joke could change his mind because you got past the dazzle and the reality show. Is that a model for other people but I think a lot of people have sought that off and nice as those things. It's unfortunate but come on the cheese. Okay you know. And there's country is ironically. Trump has helped a lot because the country's a a strong country and a lot of the institutions strong institutions and. He hasn't done as much damage as he might have died in terms of our day to day life. And and so you know people are able to sort of enjoy Traum traum you just put your finger on it. Because who's Day to day lives that we talk about. I want to show you attorney. General Bill Barr. Who is the kind of power that can affect people's lives who gets arrested arrested? WHO GETS I who goes to jail and he just said something that we want to basically put out so people understand what's going on and take a look but I think today American people have to focus on something else which is the sacrifice and service? Now that is given by law enforcement officers communities don't give that support and respect. They might find themselves without the police protection. They need fat. Joe You have the attorney general making what I heard to be potential threat Brett. If you don't do what we want. You won't be protected by the police. That sounds crazy. They really crazy. I think we should all respect law enforcement forcement and they put their lives on the line. He's in good day. Yes but at the same time you have freedom of speech what you saying protests. You're not protected. Did this. This is crazy bill. I haven't seen a modern attorney general. Say anything like that. He has not I think he's reading a speech there right. He's not just just answer a question and saying something in a sort of infelicitous way now. It's pretty shocking. I mean there are bad apples in police departments. I believe everyone knows that. There's a huge number investigations that have found that and the idea that we should turn our is bigger conservatives. Usually pretty suspicious of government workers unions and they're unionized and if the protections protections those people have and maybe people should be a little more accountable for what they're doing and then suddenly with cops. It's don't hold them accountable at all. We should just all assume they're all terrific and we've seen an awful awful lot of evidence and I myself was pretty strong law and order guy. I've been a little shaken. The last few years to see what I think other people who live in different communities to see much more up close which is behavior her some police and they're under a lot of strain and most of them do a good job but you know that that needs to be the anyway the bar attitude is really damaging. I think it's chilling. You've you've got your album dropping tomorrow and we've got this this great great buddy comedy here between the two so I gotta do. Both one is because I don't know if you've even seen this this is family ties and we're GONNA get into that but I also want to show you some moments where other people on television have. I didn't even bring it up. They brought it up. I want talk about the two of you. In this partnership take a look we biggest and again the only man can forge a friendship between bill kristol and fat Joe Joe and he did an upbeat. They're right there. I don't know how much how much time you spend the nightclub Willie. But we're calling him bill Kristol if I sound a bit detracted. I'm still just picturing bill. Kristol in a stretch navigator sort of cruising the the streets of Lower Manhattan. I just think that's that's what's up. Gene Robinson didn't know he was speaking to exist in something. That actually happened that Joe and Bill Crystal Riding around the streets of New York City they are leaving. NBC and getting in that car. You guys are you guys are inspiring people. We're impeding he. Did this all happened. It all went down and I was happy to help out with family ties. WanNa take too much crap. I don't want to pretend joke without me but you know you'll see you'll see some touches in their read the other question. Joe What is Bill Kristol like in the studio. I mean he's incredible. I can't really tell you what he's really like in the studio. I got my man make some money gets the STUDI and final question family ties. You've got an incredible roster. Everyone's going to recognize eminem. Lil Wayne a Mary. Jane Cardi B.. What tells about just a whole bunch of guys together? An I'm I'm a set of maybe seven percent towards retirement. This might be my last album and in My daughter starved team. She's she was dad to be home when she gets there from school. Also this is going on the only good thing I figured out as I heard when they fifteen they don't really want to be around their data more so she might bring me back out of retirement. I don't WanNa Road Dad get outta yet but we put a hot now. So we think there's a hip pop classic. You're going to definitely enjoy and I like to thank everybody who is a part of this album. I love that fat Joe who are great to have you on back with. Yeah all right. That's right we love it. We'll be back with one more piece. The News on Donald Trump still secret tax returns in other news. The president's made his second attempt to get the Supreme Court to try to keep his financial records secret today brand new. Donald Trump. Asking the court to here case about this request from Congress to try to formerly subpoena these financial documents. He's already asked for the court to weigh in on another subpoena related on the topic from prosecutors in Manhattan and hat scream court famously. Unanimously ruled against President Nixon. In a case that was about whether or not he has to comply with well similar types of requests the court also once unanimously ruled against Bill Clinton and a similar vein. We will keep an eye on it and keep you appraised on all the news that does it for me. I'll see you back tomorrow six PM Easter. Hey It's Chris as you know sometimes it's good to just take a step back from the day to day onslaught of news and take a broader. Look at the issues. That's what I'm doing each week on my podcast. Why is this happening? Were exploring topics ranging from school segregation to climate change. 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