Chris Blackwell - Legendary Music Executive, Hotelier, Entrepreneur, founder of Island Records & Island Outpost Properties
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Feel Immensely lucky to call a friend. He's the founder of Island Records Island Alive, Films Blackwell on the island outpost family of Resorts Jamaica. He's credited with discovering Bob Marley and was as manager until his death in nineteen one and. And Chris, and island records put out many other musical treasures, including albums by cat, Stevens Traffic, Grace Jones Nick Drake Vonda among many many others Chris Eighty two years young. He's been around the world lived nine lives and it's one of the kindest funniest most lead back world changers you'll ever meet any is without a question one of the heavyweights of both the music and Boutique Hospitality Industries. He now dedicates most of his time to Jamaica and his island outpost properties throughout the island. Please enjoy my conversation with Chris Blackwell. Welcome to the PODCAST, Chris. Thanks for being on. Where are you today? I am in New York City where I have been on the lockdown basically for about ten weeks, it's been quite an experience. And you're normally spending the majority of your time in your room in the center of Jamaica, Punch Pont or in the ocean at your other property. Golden. I is the longest in in decades that you've been in the city. Yes definitely longest ever the coast. It's very different. You know I mean because. The very few cows on the street that very few people will key hardly shocks Restaurant Sandro do you recall another time in your lifetime where people were in a pandemic or locked in their houses? No, I don't remember that because them. You know when when polio came on the scene I had polio, but it was a minor. It wasn't like this. You know it wasn't something that you had to. Capitol to bump into somebody because catching, you're born in Jamaica nineteen, thirty seven, you've been around the world. You've lived nine lives. You're one of the kindest funniest most laid back world changers I've ever met. You're one of the few people that really were a mentor to myself, and my partner is without any expectation of return I, I wanted to start at the beginning now. I want you know your, you're you're rare-breed a white Jamaicans, I wanted I wanted to give us the ad that the origin story. I was actually born in London and came to Jamaica. When I was six months, I grew up the first five years old in Jamaica. and. Then when I was about six seven, I was sent to England to go to school was a Catholic school. My father's mother was a sort of religious maniac and shoe she ready. Know insisted that I needed to be brought up as a Catholic et CETERA. So my mother was originally Spanish Portuguese, Jews who came to Jamaica in the. Seventeen hundreds. I was sent to England when I was six and something to go to school, and I went to Catholic school, and it was miserable absolutely miserable. It was a bad idea to send their because I been very sick with asthma. Asthma? Badland. And the school was in the Thames Valley and just about the worst place you can be if you have asked is in A. Climate. So I was very sick, I was in. The hospital, a lot of time I was on breathing things, and then I went back to Jamaica. When I was about seven. The House. and. was there for about a year and then I came back to school in law school in England at a school which was. On. The seaside. On, the eastern coast of England. and was at that was fine. I wasn't sick in much healthier. And then after that, I was. I went to what was really. Kinda. Push School, which I got into appeal because my. Family had gone to that school and and donated a lot of money to the school. You know of fifty, sixty s for when. I managed to get into the school. I actually enjoyed enjoyed my time at school. They're they. They didn't enjoy me so much, but I enjoyed it. And, then I know that you decided not to attend university what led you to that decision. Well, the truth of it is because I didn't pass any exams, I couldn't have qualified for anything. So I didn't have I had three levels in two different attempts, which is various. The truth is that you know. I'm totally uneducated officially. My education has come from. Meeting people talking to people hanging out. While, mazing. You know I know that you move back to Jamaica and were in real estate managing juke boxes, and going to shows I know that's what led to the transition, your interest in in music. But tell US bring us back there a little bit. I was back in Jamaica, little earlier than that about the national at seventeen or something like that. I was sixteen seventeen. Again. From connection I managed to get I was offered the job. I was offered the job by governor of Jamaica, the person who was the British governor, the time my role was to meet. People who are coming to visit kings, house, and you make them look up to them, and maybe Simpson somebody who sort of met them at the entrance took around and introduce note was that that kind of a job by my job would be you know twelve. So take the government and his wife to. Judge, every Sunday and visit that kind of a job. It was something which was a great opportunity because it was the time when Jamaica was getting ready to become independent. So old the soda main politicians than people who are going to be running to make. would. Come to Kate's house all the time, and so I got term. Mason a no older people who was basically over the next five, ten years were going to be running, Jamaica. I. Enjoyed that a lot. And then the person who had often been the job he will send transferred to to be. In Cyprus, which was another British territory as it were. which was going through a lot of problems at the time. So he left and when he left I actually left the job to. And I got a job selling real estate and. In, Iran like that, and then I did that for a little bit than. United, severity salted going to all the sound system shows sound system dances. And tell tell the listeners would sound system is what a sound system show dance is. Well one was in those days. Speakers with me like. Two stories high almost united, just massive because the volume they would be able to come out just unbelievable. You could hear you have five miles away. It was really really exciting. The music was initially played at that time. Most of it was American. Be Music. It was mostly from New Orleans from fats, domino, people like that. I used to go to other shows. And I went to this this, you know where where people would just. Sing a song, etc. that kind of thing I was amazed, there was a couple of guys sale who I thought like these guys are really good singers that should make meet them at. CPAC. Make a record with one thing, and this is before you. You'd never made a record before this. Just popped in your head, just popped in my head this. So after the show is that went backstage the the guy who I really focused on was the guy who had voice very similar to a cynical was very. Singa at that time blackouts. Great. Great Singer. So I spoke to him about maybe I, love to do recommend as you Britain any songs or anything. The Guy said, well, you know he's writing a song etc, and then another guy came up and said, well, what about me and then another guy said came up and said what about me? So I found myself A to. Make three records with three different guys, which is what I did and the first one I put outs went to number one. In Jamaica in Jamaica? And then second one I put out went to number one. And then the record I put up went to number one and they will stay. Right in the top ten, in fact, six songs were in the top ten because it was the three songs, the sides, and the besides would six songs in the top ten. which is. The highest ever achieved in the music business was actually put up. I just love the whole process that that was just it for me I. Just I just loved. After is exciting in working in the studio web cumulative people, and then you know then going out and then hustling around and trying to get them into juke boxes of Montana managed three juke boxes in Jamaica. I made a deal with somebody who had the juke boxes that I would sort of manage them for him than take new music etcetera, etcetera. That was an incredibly experienced because you go around the different Baas and clubs and things all around to make up way in the country of Cosa Jukebox was everything in those states, episodes that that is it because that that broke the music to the box with the cloud. Again, I learned a lot from that that I mean I really enjoyed it was it was really a trip you derive sometimes you know and you. You arrived and going to the Little Bob in a minute on five minutes. BOB was packed. You could not move into whether it was those one particular fishing village I. Remember was like that everybody was everybody was virtually almost naked. They will efficient than the hope Bob was absolutely. act. And I took out one of the songs which had been on the jukebox noticed hadn't been played much. So good I take that out and replace it by something else as I took it up. Everybody was like almost like a riots don't take that out put that back of it was really fun was like it was just a soda typically strange unusual way life. Most people never seen anybody of my complexion. You know in areas that I was because it was just was just the roots Fisher nor people working in the country in the. sugar estate. So things like that. And that's really what I stopped. And what led to your thinking around taking these records to the UK? We'll tell you what bedrooms because after. I released my records and they became successful. The sound system is. They started producing records to before they had mainly just imported records, cases. I would go you know come up to New York by the records and come back and sell it to the sound system guys. soundsystem guys decided, they'd stop producing records. and. Their records with great. You know my record said become a little smooth, another little kind of polished. And their records were role an exciting. And stimulating you know and I thought to myself. Well, you something these guys. Their records. Really really great. My records at that time. The ones I'd made was selling in England, but they went selling so well in Jamaica. So. I went to see over sound system is my said literal and give me your. In England I'm going to go to England base myself there. Give me a recordings in England and our re release employer in England and pretty much all of them gave me the rights to mock their records in England. and. So that's really how I saw in England. Your first hit was millie small my boy lollipop. Correct. Yes, that's my bet I chop top of jots hit. In the UK now you had your top of the chart I record. You ever put out in Jamaica I three, but this is this is a much bigger market and as I understand it, there were Jamaican communities on the outskirts of. London on the outskirts of these major cities. This was this was a major sort of reggae crossover, correct? Yes. I would say on a slate that's pretty much the first record I Scott Record really which became a big hit which and Scott became the music, the name of the music initially before before reggae. Born Reagan became born. In the mid sixties I, think this was in the early sixties and so Scott was really the the rhythm, the you know, and those the records such, what selling to the Jamaicans who lived in England? And it became huge. So my my mind when I, say huge I, mean on a tiny basis, but it was. It was huge amid was busy all the time because I was driving around in a little mini cooper. Visiting over the record stills. And selling them record. Then sometimes, you know I traveled to Gristle traveled to Birmingham all something, but most of the time it was really all around number. And again, it was something that I really love doing because it was something that was growing wasn't something that. was taking off initially because the only people that initially were buying records Jamaicans living in England. From bent at South. The joke seep into sort of people who went to clubs, and after a bit, it starts to pick up a kind of following that it didn't happen quickly. kind of slowly steadily. We'll be back with more of the hustle after the break. Do. You know what your online businesses worth. Quite light is brokerage that's passionate about helping entrepreneurs scale and sell their online businesses for six seven or even eight figures. 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TIMES, all this under island records, these these artists that you're putting out with these individual records before you start at island. No I sought I started island with. With with this was three guys, tell you about what? So at the top? And then around the same time, like within those those few years you I went out to, Goldeneye. Correct. Goldeneye? Yes. I've been to go tonight because I knew Ian Fleming and my mother's house was very close to with Fleming's housewives. That's where I met him. There was also very famous. British. Sort of hero in the of the entertainment business. A Producer director, and that is no cowed. You know I knew not allowed in the funding and they both lived fairly close to win. My Mother's house was on the North, coast, of Jamaica. So I got to know them at a time. You ended up thinking about reggae music in the mind frame of what was being marketed as rock and roll music. Initially, it was with Jimmy cliff correct. That was the first reggae artists that you'd thought. You could run a route that was similar to what you're seeing the rock and roll marketing production and promotion. Yes. I. Really felt that to me. Jimmy festively was really strong. Live e could move really well, and songs were really good and he was and still is he's still around, you know he's really. Incredible talent. Jimmy. Jimmy Cliff. Also, you're not actually is the person. Who introduced Bob to the person who I the coded about money? So in a way, Jimmy Cliff. So discovered vote mark. Incredible. It was my understanding. That you worked with him, but it didn't really work out and you didn't get to run the route that you wanted to bring us back there. Tell us a little bit about this transition time because this is right around the time that you met. Bob Marley. I, really believe Jimmy Cliff. But we just weren't getting success story whatever the reason I guess songs quite rights or whatever. Even. Though he was building with following with his life live show because Jimmy Cliff Oh always had a very good sense of finding musicians and he would come come back one week in. Sort of new band together and. Then, you'd have them the band. Really. Really Great. But we were never able to get a hit with Jim. I had told him when he had come to talk to me about the fact that he'd been offered by OSCE a victim been offered to sign with them, and I said Oh Jimmy, you shouldn't sign rhythm because you know what getting A. So he decided to stay with me and not to sign to osceola victim within about. Ten days of that. Somebody told me and said, would you like to make up Nali in the wailers because they are in England and this stranded because they'd been in? Stockholm. Doing some music for film, that F. has sent them back to London than they had no options back to Kingston. So could you meet with them and see if this could do some deal with them to get them? You know. So they can get back to Kingston. So what? So that's how I met the. Already, doing films in Sweden, for instance. So they had some international recognition. Why didn't they have a manager? Why didn't they have a a partner like you? The manager was really bad. They had at the moment at that moment. He was really based in America. He was American. Guy. He wasn't really into the Jamaican music. He'd gone to Jamaica and he'd liked it. US main focus was American music, and the his main artists was his name was Johnny Nash and he managed John Nash. You really was having a career of his own. The guy wasn't really paying too much attention to end the wins. I, recall you telling me this and I couldn't believe it in this meeting. Was this where you gave them the money to go on record an album that was also partly what they use for the airfare. Bring us back to the room. When they arrived. They walked in like God's. Walk in like. Three. Guys who was stranded. In London no way to get back home. They walked they worked in, they had such charisma. And such a presence, all three of them, Peter, Tosh, bunny way in both modern three of them. I just sat with them than chatted to them and. Ask them what they were trying to do what they were aiming for when. They will basically aiming trying to get You're not some Jamaican music on American. Black, radio and. And I tell them I didn't really think that that would happen right now. I didn't think I didn't think that would work right now because I didn't think that making music with something at that time was going to be appeal to black American. Radio. So, they said what you think and I said well. I think you should be like a black. Rock Act. Bob Kind of picked it up a bit Piton Bunny. Didn't feel the same way they felt they should be going on the way they would do, and they didn't know about changing into being a rock and roll act and stuff like that. I asked him how much? Would it cost him to do now? And they told me, they send five thousand ONS. Four thousand. Thousand, pounds decided that the best way to try and work with them because they'd been given a very hard time. Because they put a team together. They made a lot of their own recordings, the recordings with great those early recordings above me a great great recordings. But. They never got the chance because you know the it, it was kind of a little bit of a corrupt system because you know the the big produces. The sound system guys not. They, they had kind of control over the DJ's and etc and So. It was very hard for these guys to get across and how they went back. The Jamaica. And then I went back to Jamaica maybe three months later. Rather, hoping that I was Gonna ask something. But what what did you? Where did you place the ads that there would be music for you to listen to or the these guys would be in business with you at all? I I just felt it. You Know I. Felt I felt. The need, but I said, you know what I mean, and a couple of them weren't fact keen on the idea. I think Bob was ready to try and move away from what they were doing in, China. Give it more of a rock sensibility. Seem. You're back in Jamaica. You're going over to the studio and you hear this music for the first time. What was what was the first song heard on this album? The first one I was catching fire. I liked it a lot. It's before we put the guitar before I'd added any of the players on it because what it was, it was still very much a Jamaican recording and then I took Bob to London. To do some more work on the album, just to to make the album bit more roguish I had the towers to at met in muscle shoals, and he was in England and them I, put him on the record played. He played a brilliant. Opening Guitar Soda For the First Song on the album which was cold down humbly jungle. In England, we really made the album moved into having kind of rock element to it, but the record was made in Jamaica. Was Great Brecca to it was a great record Jamaican record. It just didn't have the. Guetta elements that were added. For when we went over to Ayman. You're essentially giving similar advice to what could be heard. I. Imagine in the Ninety S or two thousand, which is like you're not GonNa win on the radio. You're GonNa win on college radio. You'RE GONNA. Win on live touring the experiences. What's GonNa win you lifelong fans is that fair to extrapolate that as your mindset at this time? Yes. Well, definitely was the focus would be on on live gigs because they had such a strong image, the three of them you know they were kind of. For some people, they were scary as hell. they would just something different as a band that you'd never see you know they. Arrested you know and they will wild. But then musicianship was fantastic that I record can't you file when I heard it. I when it was finished I've I was so excited about it and that's what my self destructed is going to sell a million copies. You say, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. REGGAE NO REGGAE albums episode more than five thousand copies said by I. Just think he's going to sell it an incumbent. So. I, was I was actually on the road traffic in American I rang back to England. And I said Hausa Day and they said we showed about three thousand. Three thousand, that's all you. So said, let's that's pretty good for radio. And I was so upset. Earlier and that this has been proven, right? Well, eventually ended up the catcher fines sola copies eventually. But it just as. It opened go at record opened the door. Definitely. You also got to work with you to tell us a little bit how you got exposed to you too and how and how it was different in the way that you manage them as artists. I sold them for the first time after a concert that bug noni was doing in London and somebody had set up for you to play a little club in south, London not far from where about was doing his concept Crystal Palace in London. How big was this? Bob Show. A big one. It was actually his last ended up being his last show in them in England for he passed. It was in I. Think it was in, nineteen. Eighty. So often the show I went to this. Little. Club. Tiny. Little cloud. And there were about fifteen people there in in the club which you know about five or six a people with me and an about five or six people with the band and about five or six hangs zone who they out. So it wasn't. It wasn't a propagate. Setup Gay. It was just something with they were going to play and I would I would meet in meeting them all seeing them, play it, Cetera. When I saw them, I. Thought I. Thought they were fantastic at thought. The aura was fantastic, and that presence was fantastic. There was just something about them, which I just knew that they were going to make it. I didn't really feel the music initially because it was much more. You know I'm in. Jamaica is all about heavy bass and heavy drums and things like that. And then music was much more high frequency if you're not mean like it Utah and and so. I, didn't. Feel it personally, but I absolutely felt them and also. There was a guy who was the manager was really impressive. And you know back in those days, most most manages not all by any means most of the manages would be. The, Palette one of the musicians who couldn't play an instrument and so he ended up being helping. Get them. Bookings etc etc.. But in the case of you to. Know, Sunday. He was dressed in a suit union with a tie on and all that sort of thing, medical negoti take a serious separations and so it was a mixture of their presence. and which I believed in completely with the fact that I felt, they had somebody there who is really serious and really knew what he was doing and be able to manage the I. Tell the people that records that really wanted to sign them, signing them, but I wanted either records to be supportive of them. Fully. Supportive of them and take the leadership. And support the leadership instantly. Give them a base to do what they want to do. That was based on the fact that. I believed in the band themselves and in the manager they had. So many cases the record business. People medal around on necessarily metal around? Yeah. She you know you're signing somebody. They know during that said life. Let them find their way rather than trying point Jim this direction or that direction when. The. Not, a musician or Anything else to something they'd like to hear. So there'd be a lot of situations I would say over the years, the record business, a lot of artists. Found themselves in a difficult position where they they they went. To do what they were doing, what they were creating. concept's never really the case because we were independent, we were tiny independent. Didn't have the answer to a board of directors. So anybody, we could just do what we believed in. We were different kind of company reading. Of, the hustle will be right back after this short break. I find it. So fascinating how many artists loved working with you? Because you guys were hands off with them in that way where you saw yourself, not as like you know the six member of the band, you saw yourself as this empowering function that would clear the runway for them to focus on their creativity in their craft in the art that they. were making without. It's just an interesting line to walk that. It seems the second nature to you. Yeah. It's true. When different than that? For God, because wasn't a cooperation wasn't. into the kind of a private company that was the difference. If I had a job, I couldn't signed, but me as I signed molly. To, give him some money and go make a record I. couldn't they say you crazy as it happened. Everybody around you. Crazy neck. That money are not going to see him again. I. Said, well, I don't think I believe in the guy. It's very, very different. I mean, it's it's. It's. It's a luxury. A huge luxury debate will follow your own instincts and everything in a structured company. It's not often that you're able to do that. I want to talk about the whole journey. Not just you know the music as you were entering your fourth decade as all types of music executive, you started to transition into place making you were still running island, and you're designing your first resorts and hotels in properties. Correct that sort of came by overtime. You know there was. A place in Jamaica which I used to go to his child. Came on the market at Coastal Ray. Hill. It's. It's. It's house three, thousand feet up. In the mountains behind Kingston I bought that when I bought it, you didn't buy with the idea of that I was going to make a home out of it. I bought it with the idea of you know developing. It's a kind of a place. People can gun visits into. You can say I've lounge show. You. Vote, sort of. Resort. Hotel. Next. One after that was good night initially built by Ian Fleming. Who wrote all of the James Bond books in all of the James Bond for written there. I that I bought that really because my mother had asked Smith if I could. Buy At full her because it did come on the market. And she had been looking after that for the in Fleming some this is off the implemented died. She asked me if I could buy because you know she loves the house and she's been swimming all time. I told the okay, I would do that. But. I didn't actually really have the cash to do it at the time. So. I bought nine told him. You know this displace in the near. Curious. You know which is really nice. Place. Where Will James Mon Books were written and that's of beautiful spot and everything. I, recommend you buy the House that. Said you what you think and I said I. Think. It's a great thing based by by. So he said okay. So. Cold. The agent was to house to set. Okay. Baba's going to bite and they went through all the documentation and everything in it. Takes Jamaican six months old. So something like that. Happen in six months time. It's everything was ready to sign them. O'Brien said really action never got around to go see it yet feels need to save before you've been dissatisfied so well. Yeah. You should go see it. So he went to see it when he saw t send you know it's not really my thing to rush from. It's not my my kind of. Place. So I can I get out of it and buying which time my finances had recovered. SO THAT'S I. The. Before the art deco renaissance of Miami Beach, you know in the eighties nineties the Marlon in tides. Tell us a bit about that chapter. We had signed the go singer from the COBWEBS and she was going to video in in Miami. So. Eventually with them and I went driving around an every single building. On South Beach, every single building was for sale. What's going on? Get it. Everything was run down and there was a lot of you know drug running and stuff like that. Going on South Beach was considered very dangerous at that time Miami was just. You know a bit of a mess except that it had all this some you know on Deco buildings there, and I thought the is incredible. Look look at the beach beaches incredible company that nobody. So. When I went to see this, go I met somebody there who was so somebody who was to me was a goddess says it will add name was Barbara who the Nikkei. I by then picked on a couple of ideas, different locations that I'd like to buy I spoke to Barbara, who naked let's set up. I would love you to do something a little different than what you normally been dating, which is close at Levy to design the Marlon Patel this one place, which is all broken down to say crack. Attic. House down it was mess them. So, she did the design for the modern. And the Marlon. became the the sort of attell got a lot of press. And that soon, attracted. Of, the, Saudi. And he will come and stay at the mall trade is and from that to screw. Around what year did you make the transition to place making back in Jamaica and investing this level of hospitality infrastructure into your your Jamaica properties? It was the mid nineties when basically. Things would do really well there, and then I decided I really really wants to come back individually. That's how that happened. The night sold I sold a tell. Had the couple of tells in in the Bahamas one, Code Pink Sands, another coach. Compass. Point. Bill to strobe. Radio success and then southwest night. I encourage any listener to you know Google, island outposts and take a look at how Chris designed spaces and how he and his partner. Rico think about you know barefoot hospitality in a really making these places feel like you're over at a friend's house more. So than at like a fancy hotel. Tell us about it. Was it conscious with a strategy where you're like, you know what I see this, and this is clearly a great way to get into the people. I. Love to come springtime in the spaces I care about or this sort of happen as a natural progression from your from your previous career I, just did it as I like. What I feel, you know what I feel people would like. Because I. Am a lot of experience. Traveling. Around tells. Because I, went I love to go on the road for the. Point you know and I I love that I remember one day menu almonds, etiquette was mckerrow. Atlantic records and doing all the time. On. The road the band's used to you got a record company is supposed running. and. I said well I, I like to go on the road with the band because I like to. See will tap may get a feel of what's happening and how they're doing and. The experience of traveling. In different places is the greatest thing, ready menu You just learned from that once you. Once you open to learn, you'll have all the genesis when you're traveling. You from Detroit to Chicago and the Chicago to. MEMPHIS all over the place places that. I. Loved it. I absolutely loved Ola handle the time. So things. Things just didn't work you. So things which were. A lot of money was spent in. The was like sort of a waste of time. They hadn't a feel in the head. No Wolf. You know that kind of thing I guess with all that experience I just loved that as what? What people really need when traveling. It's just simplicity Mike. What? What is simplicity you? To be comfortable and space, you know I mean. I never liked big hotels about. Liked to know lo lot of car does. So let kind of thing, I, I didn't think that was the have a nice feel to it so. I've always liked big which a more personal where you are. Now this is you'll space. Comfortably. Your space and now you you invest all of your energy in time. Really Jamaica. I'm curious. What do you think it is about Jamaica in particular? I grew up as a child and I was sick. So I, was really looked after by Innis pretty much all the time as a child I was on my own I don't remember any birthday parties or. Christmas. Policies Whole Ponti Parties. Things like that because. I. Was I was I. was just not that well. All the time so. I grew up really big nuts looked after by Jamaicans. So that was really my route I kept them a great deal because they were really looking to me and said. What I really wanted to trying to do is to improve the lives of the people. That, you know method come in touch with up to know that will. What motivates your lifestyle now like what are the things that bring you the most joy? If it's something that that you've set up, you've got while you're working on and it's working. Let's joy. You know. Enough that. Always trying to do something and to do it well, and to have at something, which has a. Lasting time, not something which is gonNa bake flashing the pen. And also something which feel can lost in and grow. Always a long term thinking. You had a great quote back in the record business. In the career business I'm in the artist's business with records being milestone. So I'm not in the record business per se. What are some of the things that you think we should keep in mind one planning for the long term and building things that are intentional. Clearly, what brings you pleasure. What are some of the other things fm any that that you'd like to see us carry forward. I think. Giving people opportunity if you are in a position that you can help somebody in any way or have an idea. Something, you know struggling with something an idea. What to do? ADS believes that one should. Elevate things all the time. I just really wanted to thank you for being on the podcast in giving us a bit of your time and for me personally just for the inspiration, and you're the helping hand for for the years, and again you know we we. We do really appreciate you coming on. We'll thank you. Thank you very much. It's been great. Meteo? Honestly. Really Good I. Love with your drink then leverage. Thank you, Chris. Thank you for listening. This has been the art of the hassle. See next time. For more podcast from iheartradio visit, the iheartradio APP, apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Do. 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