A Beautiful Conversation with Jason Mraz on Spreading Kindness, Staying Grounded After Decades of Musical Success & How to Look for the Good
Look for the good. Despite the fact that there's a lot that. Scary out there. We're still okay. I believe that the opposite of depression it's not happiness purpose I believe that every single person has something unique to contribute to the world, and that's why I won big finish show called. Don't keep your gauge I. Don't if Your Day job is about figuring out what it is you you're with in this world that only you can do to make the world more whole more beautiful and to stop selling yourself short. Stop sitting it out to figure out how to take this thing. We love whether it's art or music or screenwriting dance for baking. How do you decide that you love into a life that you? You get to contribute that. You get to do what you love full-time because it's not just about business, it's about contribution. It's about meaning that is what we see. That is what we truly want. You absolutely are here to serve the world and I want to help you figure out just how much value you have inside of you and every single week. We're going to be talking to people who have something to add to help you. Get Out of runway to help you be more successful to help. Be the truest expression of you. My name is Cathy Heller I'm so glad that you're here. Let's dive in. Hey guys. It's Cathy. Heller, welcome back to another episode of. Don't keep your day job. I am so excited because Moore says is here today. He is not only someone who is so talented, but he is such a genuine, good soul and I can't wait for you to hear this interview. His such a special person I think you'll feel so enlightened just to hear the way he sees the world and the way he shows up so encouraging so inspiring before I dive in I. Just WanNa. Say Thank you so much for all your notes for all the love. It was my birthday this past weekend June nineteenth, and I just had the best day and I. Want to give a huge shout out. Out to my husband, not only because it was father's Day, and he's such a great father, but because he really showed up for me this birthday, he celebrated me and he really nailed it. In terms of my love language, which is words right like you can tell I like words and very verbal person. He wrote me fifty notes to describe how he loves me and what he sees in me and. I was overwhelmed with a feeling of unconditional. Love was crying so hard, and it's good because it sort of forced me to look at my own. Demons when it comes to how much I believe I'm really worthy of receiving, and I could feel. How much he was giving and I could feel myself wanting to say it's okay or no. You didn't have to do that and I just. I let it come in. And then I felt how hard it was to just sit and receive it, and it was so beautiful and so healing, and some so grateful to him. Because marriage for me, has never been just like this linear like nonstop. Thing and I'm constantly working on really showing up in my relationship the same way I, do in my work where I look for the good as Jason Mraz is GonNa talk about today I look for the good and find more good. I can do that in so many aspects of my life, and I want to continue to. Just really see the good and look for the evidence of that as opposed to what I sometimes do. Being a child of divorce being a child who saw my parents fight nonstop, and then break up is I'm constantly looking for the shoe to drop, and so it was just such a beautiful birthday, and in no small part because of all of you I feel so grateful that you're in my life, and I loved what you sat me, so thank you because it did not go unnoticed and I really appreciate it now. Let's get into today's episode. I can't tell you what a treat what a pleasure it is to have. Jason Mraz here. He is a Grammy Award winning multi platinum artists, singer, songwriter and musician I'm sure most of you have heard his incredible songs like I'm yours, or maybe you have one of his many albums like waiting for my rocket to come Mr ADC we sing, we dance. We steal things. Love is a four letter word, and he just released his newest album. Look for the good, and it came out on my birthday just a couple of days ago. It's incredible what he's been up to, and we're going to talk about everything that's going on with him and what inspired his newest album I? Really want you guys. Guys to go check it out. We'll have links to it in the show notes. Jason Honoree of the Songwriters Hall of fame. He's on the board of as CAP, and he has sold millions of records, which is not surprising because his music is exceptional, he's also an entrepreneur and a therapist. In Two thousand eleven, He created the Jason Mraz Foundation to support inclusive arts education, and the advancement of equality, and it has donated over a million dollars to organizations that are for that mission, plus he has morass family farms, which is an agricultural co-op that's committed to peace in the world, organic, regenerative agriculture, fair trade and kind words. It's all so in line with who he is and what he stands for. Everything about him is really part of his mission his life's work. It's all really about being here. Being present and making the world a more beautiful whole lovelier place for all of us, he is a gift, and he is here to share his goodness and generosity with you so without further ado, please welcome, the one and only incredibly kind incredibly good Jason Mraz. I Jason. Hi I'm so happy that you're here. I was telling my sister. This morning I said you know why I'm so intimidated by him. said it's not that no special and his music is so good. I said it's. He's kindness personified I, while I'm flattered, and I'm touched to be recognized that way. But I'm I'm human as well you know so I. I still get grumpy and they still get stressed out. But by the time it gets to the music or what what happens on stage, or in the world I hopefully have worked out all those kinks in those grumpy part, but I tell you music. The thing that keeps me blessed and I think I'm too blessed to be stressed so. Well all of that is just so like you to say see. That was a really humble response, but that that is what makes it so heartbreakingly beautiful because obviously. It takes courage to see the good, which is so much a part of your report now and so much a part of you, but my first question is how early in your life did you have this little? Stealing like I think I wanna be doing music when I grow up or did you not know that 'til later? It was pretty early when I was seven years old in second grade. We were basically introduced our first music class and I had a piano in my home, and my mom played the piano and would sit at the piano at a very young age and. Show me how to play chords and. Play, it progressively make some noise on it. which I always loved. And then by second grade when we had music class at school. I felt I. I'm familiar with this music thing I liked it and then music teacher asked me to sing something by myself in the room in front of all my classmates. And it was silent night it was it was a Christmas song and. And she loved it and went and got another teacher or others from the schoolhouse. Listen to this. And it gave me this feeling of I'm being seen and heard Yeah House special. And I didn't know then that I would make a career out of it, but that was definitely the start i. knew something I loved I wanted to keep doing it. Keep doing it, and by the time I was in high school. You know I continued to take music electives. When there was career day in that opportunity to kind of figure out what you WanNa do in college. I was so confused that nobody else wanted to go in the entertainment industry. I just assume everybody would want to do that. It seems like a circus, but yeah. I knew pretty early on and it. Just everything just kept lining up that I had the opportunity to continue to pursue that dream. You know such as having music and public schools for example. In unity that makes it easy for kids like me to get the tools. I need to keep going forward. And eight grade when I started to finally have feelings for girls. Started to write. Poetry that could be aligned with music, and in fact, the first song I feel like I wrote the first real like Oh. Yeah, this is something was I took an instrumental cassette tape from CNC music. Factory remember expands. T music factory. There was an instrumental on side B. And I wrote my own lyrics, my own song that instrumental and I recorded my voice with it onto another cassette and I took that cat to. America and on Friday night where we would all go roller skating on. My God I love it. Wow, I. I got them to play the cassette, so I got to hear my first recorded. Or Jam at the Skating Rink and because it was already CNC music factory. Nobody really notice. They just kept skating, you know. But it was my voice on the track and. It was eighth grade, and that was a real just moment for me. This is I. can do this I want to do more of this. That's amazing I love that music. Factory of all of all the artists at an internal attracted I can just think gonNA. Make you sweat right. Isn't that their song here? Of course they're the one that instrumental, and Jason Mraz is writing his first song to enforce, that makes sense. It is amazing. Amazing what you just said about when you sit down and you create something, and it's kind of part improvising, and there's a line in in the Broadway musical of Charlie and the chocolate factory, and he says Willy Wonka says Charlie you know what we both do you and I. We make something out of nothing and I think about how much you've made. And it's like how many songs just keep coming out of you. It's magic. Magic, it is absolutely magic, and I've been through waves in my life where I think that's gotta be it. There can't be anymore. That flows through this Taub. And yet and yet the patients through more adventure experience just or even just stopping and reading a book the next time I go back to turn on. That tap more comes out of it. Just this infinite resource. And all it is is the same twelve notes on an active and. And the same twenty six letters in in our alphabet incredible just rearranged in new ways. Absolutely magical, and your your ability to create melody is just off the chart, and it's also you because I heard carole king say a longtime ago. That songwriting is just having something to say really having something to say and. There's this unrelenting goodness inside of you and it's kind of like it feels as though. You constantly feel the need to share that goodness. It's like it doesn't let you sleep. Does it feel like that like you want that out in the world? Yes, and I'm sure there's both good reasons than bad reasons for that A good reason is I wanted to use my superpowers for good. Yeah, I've been given the greatest wealth which is people's time and attention and if they're going to give me that time and attention. What am I gonNA? Do we have them? I going to respect that time attention? How am I going to inspire them in that few minutes of their time and attention? Or How am I going to acknowledge them in? Just try to relate to them in that time so I've learned through the years to truly respect that time and attention and want to be good at what to be better in given that spotlight. And if I go all the way back to early in my career. When my songs get, make as much sense, and they weren't as clear on the goodness. It was even if all the words weren't fully there. It was some version of. I want this to be good I. wanted to sound pretty. I don't have all the words yet, but I'm GONNA. Make some noise right now that. I need to make and this is what I said. If these seconds ago, that for probably good and bad reasons, good being I value the listener and the bad reasons is, and it's not bad. I just needed to have a contrast of light and dark hair, but the bad is being. going all the way back to my divorced parents and five years old. And From five years old, I had a suitcase packed and on the weekends I would go to my dad's and I'd stay with my dad and I'll know weekdays at go back to my mom's and so. From five years old I learned how to touring artist. Pack a suitcase and hit the road. And in that in between when you have two very loving and hardworking parents. There's also the sort of. No Fault of theirs, but there's this ability kind kinda. Get lost between the two households to kind of. Not feel fully seen to not feel fully heard, and you also have siblings at the siblings to the formula, and we're all competing for our parents attention. We're all competing for our family attention and for each other's attention and so. I think that gets woven into the fabric of the instrument of my being. and. When I show up to sing, it's still connects to that version of look at me. Listen to me, I think that's why one Carol King says you have something to say and so for those sort of dark and almost sad reasons. This. Human Child in me. That was I just WanNa be seen and I in I've gotta make noise to say it and. When I'm in my twenties. I'm I'm Kinda doing that same thing. In my early twenties I'm writing all kinds of weird poetry. That maybe doesn't fully make sense, but I'm certainly trying to bring it together. To Mimic. Poetic Heroes. Or to Jeff Start more of a jazz artist with my singer songwriter style. But over time I've felt like I've really tried to find a tune how I how I use all of that And and I know I'm not final I know I've got a long way to go. Yeah, it's so beautiful and. So often, I feel like people's paying turns into their purpose. You know if that hadn't been the beginning of your story. Yeah, maybe you would have been You know a Barista, and you'd be fine, but there's this feeling of like I gotta get this out and thank. God, because how many lives you touched I mean. It's unbelievable to wrap your head around. How many lives you've touched how many people used your song when they propose to their love of their life? How many people listen to your music when they're feeling down? How many people who drove with you? Cross country like you are literally that little kid with that little suitcase like kills me to think of that image and. And how sensitive of a soul you are, so you were picking up on everyone's feeling, so you were holding it, I could probably yes, so that's a lot for a little kid to feel all of that, but look what that's done for millions and millions and millions, and so you went to San Diego, and you started playing in the coffee shop scene and What's the story like? How does that first thing come together, so I'd say senior in high school in my first year in college which I went to a musical theater college in New York City. I started playing guitar. And that was where my magic talent on piano. which I really wasn't that gifted but I, could make things up. Up Song, It really starts to blossom on the guitar. So I put the guitar I when I was about freshman in college and I basically dropped out of college. At that same time mentally dropped out of College Spiritually disconnected from college now I'm going to play the guitar and my roommate in College. My roommate actually said to me. Do you should just be a Rockstar? It's all you need to do. quit school. Go right your song. It'd be a Rockstar deal, no big deal and in a way. I kind of took them up on that I. Dropped out of school I focused on music I was in New York, city at times had moved back to Virginia where I'm from and I spent about three or four years with my head down, just taking odd jobs working on guitar and working on songs like giving myself the time I needed to grow. Without putting myself in front of audiences, and and basically without tried to talk myself out of it, because they anytime, I ran into somebody from high school and Oh. What are you doing back in town? It's like I'm working on my music. They would look at me weird like Oh. Yeah, your music, good luck with that. I never wanted to be discouraged. I believed in myself I said you know it just is GonNa? Take some time so after about four years that I decided to take a trip to California, four adventure for inspiration just to see a completely different world I'd never been to the west coast. So I drove out to the west coast. It was meant to be a short trip and I never laughed. I, thought, this is incredible out here. The weather's incredible. The geography and the topography of the land is so different than the east coast. There's fruit trees. There's just a whole different. Diversity out here that was really stimulating for me as a writer and I didn't know anybody, and so not a single person could tell me I was doing the wrong thing with my life and I love that. Yeah, so finally you know that little kid with the suitcase was free to make his own home. However, he could and. I was staying with friends who had friends who had friends. That turned me onto some interested individuals I was living in. San Francisco with an ex. Girlfriend who was continues to be a friend of mine. And her boyfriend her new boyfriend had. Friends in the music industry and said Hey we're going to go to a party in Vegas I want you to bring your guitar because you never know who we're going to see. So I went to this Vegas Party. Took my guitar plan and Hotel Room and I didn't know it that at the time, but in the room that night would be my future manager of my future booking agent no. No they saw yeah, so they saw me playing just entertaining people. And the next day one of them approached me and Said who are you? What are you doing was like well I! Don't really know I'm Kinda. I've just moved to California looking for opportunities. And they directed me to San Diego. They said well hey. San Diego has a cool music scene. We have some friends that have studios there. Would you be interested in going down there and checking that out? Just ensure why not I'm on an adventure. went to San Diego. I recorded a couple of songs at a guy's house. And we quickly realized I. Don't have any experience. I'd been living quietly in Virginia with no. Real? Communication to the outside world not. Not Not really recording. and. I basically got a big reality. Check like I can Kinda of thing, but my songs aren't really there and. I don't really know what I'm doing I. Got I got hone it in. So I stayed in San Diego. And because I got introduced to the coffee shop music scene there. And in that coffee shop music scene. Were AJ crunchy the son of Jim Crow Chief Gregory page phenomenal songwriter. Steve, Pulse Jeff Berkeley Lisa standards. There was Carlos Omega there was this large cast of amazing songwriters and in audience, for Songwriters and I couldn't believe it because it wasn't your typical nightclubs, there wasn't your rock and roll bars. It was all ages copy shops. It was listening rooms and it was people like me telling stories through song. So. I became a DIV OT of these songwriters, and I started hanging out these coffee shops, and eventually I was working at the coffee shops. Run the divorce running sound until finally the owners really trusted me and believed in me enough to let me have my own time on stage. And it took about a year and a half to really earn their trust by working to open mic nights and songwriter nights and just. Just constantly showing up. But by the time they gave me my own night I started to have a little audience that was into what I was up to and that was really my first big break. I was getting my own little spot at the coffee shop because I grew from that point I grew. Fast. I was selling out my Thursday nights at Java Joe's the coffee shop there and I started recording my shows. And putting my shows, my songs on the radio in San Diego, and this was all thanks to that. Gentleman's in the LAS, Vegas. Hotel Room who had kept an eye on me through all those years, then when I was finally ready and I got my show in my act. Together I went back to them and said okay. I think ready. We started this, you know. Send my songs to the local San Diego Radio, station, and eventually electro recording company got got hold of some of my demos. WOULD YOU WANNA? Make an actual studio record. And, it just Kinda grew from there. And It's been a series of small big breaks and. In those are kind the external breaks of of the other people in your life who to help champion your career. And for me, the personal big breaks still happen on the page. They still happen on the stage. It takes showing up and writing something. That's like ooh. This is going to add so much fire to my show and also being able to have the improvisation or the storytelling. Show is also going to add some fire to the show and. That continually put fuel in my show and gave me. Some energy to keep going and keep growing I had a really nice big break. Right before my first album came out which I was playing in a parking lot at a Dave Matthews show in. The Gorge in Washington didn't really cool venue. We were given this Gig in the parking lot. Three days we spent the first day just setting up the gear. We never got found made I think we played one song. and I said to the crowd who is all waiting to go into the amphitheater I, said well. That's all the time we have and a guy in the crowd yells back. Thank, God. Humiliating Yeah. So the next day. We got set up and we're playing in it then. Okay, mixed crowd, it's they're watching us, but they're really just there to go in and see Dave Matthews. Well then Dave Matthews comes out. He comes out, and he gets up on our stage with us, and he basically just by him being there. gives us this endorsement of Hey. These guys are cool Put your attention over here. Give Him some love. He took my guitar. He played some songs. And of course this is my hero, and a picture of it of that moment ended up in Rolling Stone magazine and they put the headline on. That picture was Dave's fave. And I don't know if that was true or not but. It gave me kind of validation that that was national national validation. Whereas prior to that, it was really just this little San Diego Regional Kid. Yeah, no! So, that was probably my biggest I would say biggest break was having notoriety from Dave Matthews Rolling Stone, and then my album came out about a week later. And it pretty well. People kind of started to pick up on what was up to. Follow that up with just years and years of touring that just stay present. It's been hard work, but it's been my dream job. You know I. I wanted to be in the circus. I wanted to be an entertainer. I wanted to sing songs I wanted to say something. And I I learned how to get into that world where I can create all of those opportunities. Yeah, it's amazing I. I don't know why but I. IT brought tears to my eyes I. Actually cried when you just told that story about that headline, because all those years when you didn't know that was coming, and you were just working at the copy job China prove yourself like that took so much courage, so many people give up right then because they don't know what's promise. They don't know what's coming and you have to be willing to put in that time and play those shows and care enough about. About the six people at the coffee shop who are listening and keep going back and you did all of that and then continue to like I think people think that. As soon as you get a record deal, you know it takes care of itself forever, and it's not true. It's like it's concept. There's no arrival and to be able to be swimming in this world and staying so true to your genuine soul and working this hard. It's so unusual that you John Everything. You've done and and stayed yourself like what helps you stay grounded in that? How did you not get swept into all that noise? When I was in high school I worked from my dad who ran offense companies, which means you know? We dug holes and he built fences that kept dogs in that surrounded tennis courts that were fences privacy. That's around people's yards. Beautiful Craftsmanship Labor and for a while I was his only employees. And it was really hard and I. Look over and see my dad digging holes and when he did it for. Thirty some years before he became a mailman in. To Post Office to get the better benefits and. Cause Defense Business in the wintertime. It's hard to get the work. and. I would seeing on the job and my dad would do the typical parent thing and say son go do that. Go do what you love, and if you do what you love, you'll never work day in your life. And so my dad was always a champion for my career and following my music because he saw that I loved it and I had a talent for it. So in a way that was my goal when I quit college shortly thereafter and I started focusing on just my music I worked as a janitor I worked for the post office 'cause. Dad Got me a gig there. I worked a tobacco shop I worked a lot of different odd jobs. All knowing that one day I'm going to be a musician and I'm not gonNA. Have this traditional day job. When I got to the coffee shops three or four years later. And I'm working in the coffee shop playing music couple of nights a week. I had made it that to me. Was the finish line I said Oh, my God. I don't have a day job. This is my, Gig. All I have to do now. Is Book Enough Gigs to to pay my bills? And, so I would work to three or four coffee shops a week until I was really doing enough business that one or two coffee shops only that I didn't have to bounce around the city so much. and. It wasn't Madison Square. Garden or anything like that. That didn't matter what matter to be with me and music we are. We're intimately arriving. We're intimately connected. We are doing what we were meant to do. And I didn't have any expectation or dream beyond that coffee shop stage I never did. Everything that's happened since then has been this freak bonus. Trying to dream yeah, it really happened, and I think that that is credit to those influencers, I've met in that Vegas Hotel Them Bill Silva and Mardi Diamond Bill became my manager and he managed me for eighteen years. And Marty diamond was booking agent for just as long. and. These guys once I was really established in the coffee shop. They were able to take that and helped me take to the next level. But in my mind, I was already where I to be. I never needed to go any further. Because the music is the reward and being challenged to to write new songs for the stage. That's that's the work. And having something to say that's meaningful. That's the work. The getting around from city to city and touring and the venues getting bigger, and all that that's the music business, basically just going bananas, and that's managers and agents and lawyers doing all of that stuff. That wasn't really who I am, so I was able to go through that and go through this motion. Play all those different venues, because really they were no different than the coffee shops. I didn't have to believe anything different about myself to play. Royal Albert Hall Versus Java Joe's Coffee. Shop, I just had to do the work. The agreed performer right good songs, etcetera, and in the back of my mind. I always thought all of this could go away. One day I've seen careers rise and fall. I'm not going to believe that I'm supposed to be. In these big big venues, my whole life, because at any point it could go away and I'm going to have to go back to that coffee shop. And I actually never stopped going to those coffee shop so when the tour would end, I would go back to this coffee shops and keep playing my coffee shop shows. Or when I had new music that I was working on I go to the coffee shop I and test the songs out there. So that really helped me not change because the real church, the Real Garden of songwriting and entertaining for me. Was the little coffee shop. That was really where. The small audience doesn't have room for your big ego. You know they want to hear the song they WanNa see who you are and I think that really helped me stay who I am and yeah, and respect the other songwriters in this region, and you know I I love that your podcast is about. Quit Your Day job because me. Being married to music is the greatest day job I could ever have. That's the gift so when I was working for the post office in these awful hours at like four in the morning to noon. They wasn't great, but the rest of my time from noon one o'clock onto the evening was being music, and it was everything I thought one of these days. If I can just eliminate those agonizing hours working for somebody else. I'll have more. Time to spend with my muse, but I also had to respect that I needed to pay check, and I needed something to at least get me to that next level. Yeah, it makes so much. I took a class at Ucla they have this mindful awareness research center. A couple years of classes there and there was a whole study they did on how people attach their happiness to outcomes, and so they've done these studies where they find that the day after someone wins an Oscar or a grammy. They were like depressed. Because didn't necessarily make them any happier. But when you're happy, because you just WanNa, make the thing like when making the thing. What makes you happy? You're rich. You're there and like I will leave you so totally when you say working in those coffee shops in getting this just sing and play those sets, and that's how I paid my rent. You're like I was so satisfied. That's it. You're one of the very few people that you. You've been so rich the whole time because just here year. Up My roommate and I used to say that like early on in the early coffee shop days when we really only had enough money just to live like no going to the movies, no going out to eat, we just had enough. We would still say we're the richest poor people we know. Because? We still had a great quality of life. You know we were still showing up at the shows and playing and entertaining and entertaining ourselves, even when there was no audience around, and you can put the guitar the instrument on your or your craft, whatever it is that it is your dream. If you can sit. And be with that dream. Be Doing the action of that train. That's it. You might as well be women like scrooge mcduck and his big. Old Coin. Yeah. This so I i. feel like they've done studies to find out that the greatest regret of the dying is that they feel they didn't live life on their terms. Do those things that they really wanted to do and I think because so many people are so thirsty to to feel like themselves and to recognize themselves when they look in the mirror, and they spend most of their time so distracted from like wait. Is this you I am? I was told get a job. Get a four one K. and I'm like miserable, and I have this thing I've always wanted to. To do, but what happens after I've talked to so many people listening. There's this courage that they feel. It's a courage problem. It's like I. Don't WanNa. Put My workout because I'm worried that like it's not great. I compare myself to Ed Sheeran and Jason Mraz who the hell am I to write a song. I compare myself to all these other authors. Who Am I to write a book Midas? Oh something. What do you say to those people who compare themselves who are not even willing to make anything unless it's perfect, they don't WanNa. Be Mediocre, terrified to take a stage at an open mic. It's like I. think that that's the number one thing I see standing in people's way is this needs to be perfect or they're not going to do it at all. I mean in the beginning. You're writing every song. Wasn't your number one single and you still wrote them and performed them. And how did you give yourself the grace to to work things out? Yeah I would almost. So naive to think that this was gonna work out like in a way. I guess there was an arrogant to like what I do with different like. Yes, I still emulate my heroes I still have style that sounds like this, or there's this that already exists in the world, but it's still my own version of it. But what I have come to learn and appreciate later in life, which I didn't have at the beginning at the beginning. I think I just had sort of naive arrogance. And as well as I didn't WanNa be my dad I didn't WanNa. Work right taking holes my whole life. I didn't WanNa have the day job so that was that to? What I have discovered later in life. Is that my life experience? How I experience, life is going to be the culmination of. Many things they're all going to be this sort of the convergence of my body. My speech. My beliefs. My actions. And my attitude. Right and these are five certified different lanes. And it's important to know that our thoughts and our speech are in alignment with our beliefs right or that our actions are in alignment with our speech. like there's these five different things we're juggling, and so if we can get them all on the same page, our thoughts, speech, beliefs, accents and attitude. You get them on the same page. Then we could just flow in our life experience. We can just sort of really. Right and what I have found is when I'm living my dream when I'm working on a song writing the song or performing a song or recording a song something to do with music, but when I'm really working with music, all of those. Things are lined up. And my life experience is at its fullest at its most potent. And if I'm not doing music, if I'm working for somebody else, or if I'm doing somebody a favor I might have four five of those things in alignment, but maybe my attitude, a little loss because I'm not really living my dream so. What I found that is if I live my dream. It actually better serves. My Soul my purpose and it serves others it says everybody around me because attitudes are going to be better and I'm GonNa be more pleasant person where everybody else? So for someone that doesn't I guess, have the courage or the experience of yet. I just tell them just the way about what other people think you know. It's none of your business. What people think of you? You cannot ever control that like I'll never know who likes my songs, and who doesn't like my songs, but that's really not part of my life experience. My life experience going to be my own thoughts I love the Song I love the process. My own speech like what am I saying on a day to day basis about myself or my musical one of my thing and my music. You know my beliefs and my belief systems are far and wide, and they're always changing like. My beliefs on spirit, my beliefs on politics, my beliefs on myself my relationship, my beliefs are always changing so using music as a way for me to understand using my dream my art form. As a way to always understand how my beliefs are evolving my actions, clearly when I'm creating my music. My actions are definitely being used because I have to play piano to play guitar after learn how to use my technologies, I have to show up at my desk and really demonstrate the act of being with my. The time that it takes to write a song. and then my. Has To be you know grateful and and sharpen positive and all those things so I guess I encourage people who are. And don't have the competence to forget everyone else and just be your biggest fan and go in the. Enjoy the romance of discovering at. Discovering Yourself. Enjoy the romance of the challenges in the struggles in knowing that your adding your. Pain and tears and hours and sweat and word to the Pantheon of poets and writers that have come before you, but I i. do believe that this can be applied to anyone pursuing dream is you've just gotTa Reward Yourself? By forgetting what you think, the world thinks because. Never know that that's an impossible task. Yeah and. Enjoy the ride. Enjoy the journey. Enjoy the pain enjoy. Enjoy seeing your cluttered desk or your cluttered kitchen. Only the result of making something great out of nothing you know. I was just doing a project like I love having a clean desk because it sort of sets me up for my next thing. But. I was just doing a project the other day when I walked into my office and it was just destroyed like because I kept running into. Grab this grab that and got a lot of grab this I. Need This instrument I need this cable and I gotta openness and fix US and. It, the room was just in disarray, and I took a moment to appreciate it. 'cause like Oh. Yeah, this only happens when I'm making something really big. And it was it was really a feeling moment, and then last night I had this feeling moment of cleaning it up. Just like I'm GonNa tie this up and I'm GonNa get ready, and when I came back in today and we're having this conversation, I'm I'm really pleased like now. I'm ready for my next one, so there's always a little beautiful things that come with living your dream that you don't expect. all the preparation cleaning of your tool. Like washing your dishes, and there's all these beautiful steps in it that keep unfolding the deeper you dive into your dream. You'll. You're not going to be bored and you're not going to be broke. Your dream is going to give you so much. I can give you so many tasks and it's GonNa. Give you so much return. That, so we're trying yeah work. Trying Oh my God so many amazing gems in what you just said about. And in this time during Cova said, it's interesting how we keep talking about like essential business. What's essential and I feel like people are getting this great big paws right now, which in some ways is an opportunity to say? What is really essentially me? Like what do I? WanNa go back to? What do I not want to go back to what? Do I do when I have free time. That may be really needs to be born and mean little. Did you probably know that this album you wrote called? Look for the good would come out in this moment. And how do you feel about saying something like that? In the midst of so much? That's going on for people. How can we look for the good when we feel? All, my Gosh, this all so bad. It's so much darkness right now. People are losing their jobs. You know what are your thoughts around it because it seems like it's uncanny that this is coming out right now. And so needed. Well? I was already feeling that we were already spinning out in a weird. Devastating Direction last. This whole administration it's very. Than previous generation Marie administrations. And not everyone is being treated equally and fairly. So I already was approaching. This album from something is way off here and we have a long way to go on equality. We have a long way to go on planetary sustainability and regeneration. So how can we still look for the good in these dark times? I did not expect it to get darker, and it has yeah, but people were already losing their jobs. People were already getting sick. People were already being brutalized by the police like there was already a lot of darkness in the world so. Look for the good. That whole album would was in a way sort of my personal response to. Okay. World is challenging place that the surface of the earth is a volatile dangerous environment. We're lucky to be here at this remarkable stroke of good weather. Because the history of the planet has shown the earth to look like a snowball at least six times. So. Who's to say that couldn't happen again? So the environment is crazy. We also have humanity just getting bigger and bigger and bigger, and and struggling to sort of know itself, and to share the surface of the earth, so regardless of covid earth itself, and being human on earth is, it's tough. and. I go to my dream. I go to my music as my solace as my little space. And I breathed life into the song. To help me try to understand the world. And the way, maybe a bird does I don't know what the bird is thinking, but the bird sits on this little tree outside my studio, and it seems that song then it's like to me. It looks as if the birds got it. Made you know birds like singing? Little Song they sitting in a tree. Little do we know? The bird is running from my cats and little. Do we know the bird trying to hide from the bigger birds 'cause hawks out. Here will eat little birds. You know everybody's got something creeping up on them that. Could take them out at any moment, and that thing is time. Time is creeping up on all of us. So so I? Write songs that try to help us. Think about those things too much, but appreciate those things. Look for the good. You know like we could say. We're all GONNA die. That's not really looking for the good now. Instead we can say hey. Let's take a deep breath together. You feel that. Life? That's life. You just breathe life in. Can I do with these next breath? We're only given a limited number of these breath, so we gotta catch as many as we can. And Music is such a great medium to catch breath, because if we sing along with music than we're breathing consciously with that music, we're breathing. Lyric Anna Thought and a belief in an action, and maybe even it changes our attitude. You know it's we're back to that whole life experience thing music is such a potent thing so. You know I'm writing this. Look for the good album to try to hopefully influence our breathing and influence our actions, and our attitudes, and I should also just backtrack for a second. I still am never going to know. WHO's GonNa? Listen to this and who is going to really breathe consciously and have their life changed by the music I don't know. I have to maybe assume a hundred people MAC I. Don't think that many people. It's not up to me to decide. It's really to decide, but what I'm getting out of the process. And I think this what your podcast is about? Is Because I. write this album then I've taken care of all these months of my life living my dream taking care of myself living my dream. I don't know what the future holds really, but for me the future hold riding another batch of songs writing to be comfortable in a very volatile life, because the surface of the earth is dangerous, humanity can be dangerous. But as long as I'm working on my dream. I don't get overwhelmed by those things. Yeah, and I can breathe life into something that's positive and and loving and kind, and and I turn to Mr Rogers as a resource. Yes, I, look at how he lived his life, but I looked at him because in the last couple of years I've really come to see. He was like a Dalai Lama of our culture. In his goodness of his kindness in his ministry, but he never put on the the ministers close. Did it through entertainment through television. And he had a staying or came out of an interview when a child asked him. What do I do when I see bad stuff on the news? And Mister. Rogers said well look for the heroes. You know, don't look at the bad part of that story. Look at the good part of that story. You know that there's a there a courageous men and women that are gonNA. Go in and fight. The bad guys are. They're going to fight the forest fires, or they're going to help clean up after a flood. So we can look for the good. And so I'm not trying to be naive in my work and say nothing's wrong. I'm trying to say. Something is. Okay we're still okay. You know despite the fact that there's a lot that. Scary, out there, yeah, this is a really challenging topic to talk. About I like it, but because I write about this is what gives me, comfort. In my life. Throughout my career, I feel like occasionally I'll be criticized for just trying to write these sunny songs, and as if nothing in the world is wrong, but I I know a lot about the world is. is suffering in life. There will always be suffering. But if I sit down and work on my dream, I said I work my craft, and I can take care of the suffering in my heart and if I do that. And it works for me I have a transformation and I feel somewhat healed by, and words are powerful. Then I have to think think okay. Maybe somebody else will get. A similar transformation and or encouragement from this work. Yeah, I'M GONNA put this work out there and just see what happens. It's. Listening to you, talk as music. It's like a symphony I. Don't know how you choose your words how you can tell it. You're saying these things. In this moment you are so connected, and it is like Mister Rogers I saw that movie on my birthday a couple years ago and it was like a religious experience like listening to you right before. You said that I was like you're like that. You're like such a teacher. Preacher or Rabbi Agoura like you have such wisdom, and it's it comes from. It's my grandma used to say she's just say it's so easy to find. Find the bad. You have to look for the good, and you do such a good job of it I wanna ask you one more question because I'm dying. No, you've done so many amazing, cool, special sparkly things, but what was it like for you to beyond Broadway in waitress? What was that like I think I was scared for two or three days, not not not at Broadway, but but probably packing my suitcase and getting ready to move to New York. If you mind right because I was thinking oh man. They're counting on me to show up every day and be great. And I had only worked for myself for the past two decades. And I was scared. Yeah, for a couple of days, and then once I got there. They gave me about three weeks of rehearsal a very intense rehearsals. Like let's do it again. Do it again doing. So by the time you take the stage. You know it backwards and forwards you know it inside and out, so I wasn't nervous at the time that started and in fact I quickly buried quickly fell in love with it inside. Oh I could do this for a long time. And this is props to Sarah and Jesse Nelson who wrote the script, but it was a funny show. It was a lovely show. It was a romantic show. It was an authentic show there was so much goodness to this show, and and everything that my character did was clumsy, knee and beautiful, and it got laughs and was really sweet, so I loved my character. I got to really connect with my character. And I didn't have to tore during that period I just had to take a subway back and forth and. And the feeling of being able to walk into one of those stage doors remember I went to Musical Theater College Yeah Yeah. When I was eighteen I lived in New York. City and I would go down to the theatre district and I learned that at intermission everybody comes out and smoke cigarettes, and then they all flood back into theatre, while we would go down and we'd smoke cigarettes at Intermission, and then we'd, we'd walk into the theater. We Watch act to free. And it was a neat little thing and. We'd stay after and see the stage door I did idolize Broadway for a moment when I was about eighteen so to do that. At forty years old was a dream. Come true it. Honestly, it felt like a vacation because my real life living my dream is hard work I show up I work I plan the tours I. write songs I have to figure out what my show purposes. But when I'm doing Broadway I'm doing somebody else's dream I'm living somebody else's story, but I actually loved it. It was a nice break from what I normally do so I would do it again. Character was right towards right. I would definitely do it again. You know I'm I'm waiting for that Mister Rogers. Musical Yeah! Perfect for you. Oh, my God I love to hear like it was like a vacation like being a star in a Broadway show and I love that you went to amd left dropped out then you don't even audition, you get asked. Do you WanNa play this part short. Line! You just get asked to play the part Of course you. Do you know what and I even had that I moved out of New York, when I was nineteen I actually left on my birthday, my nineteenth birthday, and drove back to Virginia and part of me felt like a failure because I was giving up on this dream of being. Musical Theater, actor or musician on that path. And felt like a failure, but in the back of mind also said you know what I'm going to come back to New York. And I'll go back when they want me there. and. It worked you know. One years later. I went back because they wanted me there yeah. Yeah. That's what New York musical theatre. Kids should here. Dr And they'll just be offered apart. That's the better way. Don't stand in line and just become famous on me amazing and you'll be asked you're beyond beyond beyond. There's no word for you except for sweet and generous and awesome, and thank you a million times for sharing the space with me. I can't even put it into words what it was like. Just get to be with you. Tell us where we can find the record. Tell us where we can find you I. mean it's pretty obvious. Yeah, you'll find look for the good on apple music. And I've tried to get the music out everywhere. Music is heard, and I'm still a fan of collecting records, so you can order a vinyl. Jason? Mraz, DOT, com and listen to the new reggae albums side inside. Be On your record player as well so it's everywhere I hope and thanks for mentioning it. Oh Yeah. No problem. Thank you for being so gracious, and we'll bring gonNA, spread the word, and by that album when it comes out, thank you Jason. Appreciate it, thank you. It's really lovely talking to you today. I got a lot out of this well, it's such an honor to have him here such a treat here are the takeaways number one use your superpowers for good. You've been given the greatest wealth of people's time. Time and attention. What will you do to respect that and inspire acknowledged and relate to them number to do what you love, and you'll never work a day in your life number three. If you can sit and do the action of that dream than. You've arrived number four. Don't worry about what other people think be your biggest fan, go in and enjoy the romance of discovering yourself. The challenges and the struggles enjoy the ride. Number five embrace all the beautiful steps that keep unfolding as you dive into your dream. Number six take a deep breath and breathe life in were only going to get a limited number of breaths. Catch as many as you can and make the most of them. Number seven you never know who get encouragement from your work, so you have to put it out there and see what happens and number eight look at the good part of the story. Look at the good heroes look for the good. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you so much for listening to this show I am completely clear that you have a zillion things you could be doing with your time, and it means the world because your time is your greatest resource. It means the world that you spend your time here, so thanks for being here. If you want to hear more incredible conversations like this, make sure you subscribe on Apple podcasts or every listen because we have awesome guests coming up and it's free subscribe. I. Don't want you to miss out also if you love this episode. Episode and I can't imagine how you couldn't love Jason Morales, but if you loved this, take a second right now and think to yourself. Is there somebody who would be inspired by this and go ahead and share the link with someone or posted on Instagram and tag me and tag? Jason and we can re share whatever you post. Thank you guys so much. I love you elite with a saga. 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