Mock Draft 3.0
Welcome in to the first draft. Podcast I am your interim host Daniel up here with todd mcshay and todd. It's just going to be on the podcast today. I mean at least sproul is. He's got some work that he's actually doing. He's keeping everything afloat as as you were saying. Exactly Khyber man one of these days. We're going to have to get him. Hooked up to some of this technology. But I'm here and I want to react to his mock draft just like everybody else so happy to do. Oh this is perfect. Perfect for you to react while he's not here obviously like you back the whole time and there's nothing wrong with that honestly there is sprout keeping our NFL team. Afloat is far more important things this week. Then coming back on the podcast. So hopefully. Next week he'll be here with us. Everything gets settled But Todd you and I are going to go through. Mel's mock draft. We're going to talk about where Mel finally got it right. Where he's still wrong and what he needs to change. And then we're going to take a couple of questions from our incredible fans on twitter. Bless jump right into this. Obviously you've seen miles mock draft three point. Oh finally after three chances whereas it in this mock draft Finally getting right with some of these guys. Well not much changed at the top of the draft. You still have borough going one to the bengals. You still have chased young going to Washington. Yeah Fukuda makes a lot of sense as the the cornerback. Yes it would be the first time since Terry Fair which is ninety eight. I think ninety eight somewhere in that range And then Isaiah Simmons would be it would be the first linebacker and since Carl banks so I mean you're you're talking about replacing legends and also being being organizations that are basically willing to go out of the box in terms of what they've done organizationally for so many years but ultimately what everyone wants to know about is is to still going five and does Miami have to move up to get to talk about. Hello and maybe that's where things shake up. I mean I don't see a scenario in which Joe Borough does not go number one. I know Miami wants to move up and go get jober. I also am well aware just like any rational human being. That's GonNa be a tough tough task and it's very unlikely but But it's still in play it still employ and the People. I talked to in the League. People are starting to catch on to what we were talking about coming out of the combine. And that's it. Miami really wants this guy so you never know the bengals could try to move out but I think ultimately it will be Jonesboro number one the bengals and then after that it becomes a little bit of a free for all you know is Miami. Move Up do they still love tour? They happy and content with with his medical. And then where's the next quarterback go? He's good? Of course hyper GonNa have Justin Herbert going six. And Drop Jordan Lov all the way down to what I'm I'm scrolling through my scrolling here we go La Sealed Rolling Twenty Patriots the Utah State quarterback. So I mean that's that's that's what we're we're betting five thousand dollars on from the foundation but ultimately it's going to be interesting to see how these quarterbacks come off the board but it's GonNa be borough and then it's going to be to a and then after that Herbert love and whatever combination but all four are going to come off the board in the first round question on the lions at three now moving on from Darius slay do you think that puts more pressure on them to take Okuda over anyone else that would be there or if the dolphins jumped up and took a quarterback at to do you think chase young was still be the obvious choice for them. Chase would be the obvious choice. Yes I mean. It's it chase young has to be to unless it's a quarterback team moves out for. Yeah and then and basically the first player. That's not a quarterback to come off the board. He's yeah yeah he's I mean he's a special player so it's young and then after that like I think Okuda's right there but I think Derek Browns in the same neighborhood I think Isaiah Simmons the Clemson linebackers in the same neighborhood. I really do the more more tape. I've studied this is the best part of the process. Really is you watch on TV. You go to games. You talked to coaches you. All this different stuff right. And you're studying tape as the season goes on. But then you you're able to go sit down and office with the Xhosa Remote Clicker and you're just Bang Bang Bang Bang. Bang game after game after game and sometimes perception is a little different than reality. And while I love Okuda and I love chase young but I also love Isaiah Simmons of what his potential could be and I think if used properly he could be just a special as those other guys and I think Derek Proud is so underrated. It's a joke. I really do I think. Derrick Brown is his great versus the Ron. He's GonNa be appealed. He's going to provide some of that. Gerald McCoy tight penetration and just constantly causing problems in the middle of the in the middle of the offensive line. And and just giving issues to to what you're trying to do from a pass protection stamp so to me if you between Brown and Simmons and Okuda and young yes. Young is the best of that group. But there's not as big separation as some people. Maybe want to present it so the idea that obviously those two quarterbacks will probably be the first to quarterbacks off the board From that standpoint to a and and Joe Borough will see just in Herbert falls in but those four players should be the next four non quarterbacks off the board from that standpoint at least the next four office powders. Yeah I mean we we could see. I guess in offense Lineman the Tristan. Morphs could sneak in there but I I would be surprised the one thing I agree with on with Mel. What he's doing here. And you can't project trades. According to his rules. His own rules chasing chase. Yang goes to that makes sense. If no one's moving up Okuda that makes sense going three Isaiah Simmons. All these teams need defensive players than Miami needs a quarterback and if they're happy with the medical into a makes sense the only thing I would say is the chargers. Get it I get it with the position but are they really going to take Justin Herber? And does he provide an upgrade oil? Tyrod Taylor and I know tyrod Taylor's of an average at best storyteller and kind of a fringe starter. But I just I don't know I- i- Herbert's got a lot. There's a lot to develop their. I offense of line would make sense but even go on defense. If there's a one of these great four players still available you know. One of the ship's sure to fall is the idea that like. Let's say we have the the dolphins taken to a at five and the chargers with Herbert six understanding. Like you said no trades are allowed but we still have Jameis Winston and Cam Newton chip that still has to fall regarding free agency. And how's that going to affect everything here and I could easily see the chargers if they go after one of those guys just like you said. Are you upgrading the offensive line are you looking at Derrick Brown? Who is going to the panthers pick later? That would change this whole process immensely. Once we figure out one of those players goes as well. Look I mean. Did anyone a couple of weeks ago. Tom Brady to be going to Tampa. I mean we can all say that we did but like did you really going to happen. Palese right they're not a single person. Even my wife doesn't know anything really about the Pittsburgh steelers. That's random right yes. Yes doesn't make sense because everyone thought I was going to be in la or it's GonNa be you know somewhere to market. That made sense for them but he just you know he wants to go pro of what he can do and wants to try to prove that he can do it with. Bill and bill wants to prove that he can do it without Tom. And we'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA find out it'll be interesting to see but ultimately the there's still some dominos that are going to that are gonNA fall here and I'm just I'm looking through this. There's so many teams that are in flux at the quarterback position. What are the Patriots? GonNa do Imelda Jordan love going there. Twenty three. What CHURCH STADIUMS. Not The answer they they may they may want him to be the answer but Bryant. Heuer's got better shot probably have of winning that job ultimately at least for a year and I I don't know I just think it's fascinating and I looked at the draft picks the day it was like two days ago. We got the email of course knowing. Got Twelve draft picks. I think the second most of the League and so they're capable as always of moving up and going to get a quarterback so I will say and I've I've heard rumors about about James going in New England and it wouldn't surprise me but they're only going to do it if it's for value everything they do for value. That's how they've built this whole thing and they will not stray from that. And so they're going to wait. They're gonNA see what how the marketplace out and if they can get a Guy James for for much less than than the value price. Yeah they'll they'll pull the trigger. Do you know what the cut cut him if he doesn't work out. I mean that's how they do it. I want to ask you about the forty niners sitting at thirteen. Now after that trade with the colts With the forest buckner. I'm curious when you see the niners jumping up that high. What is it that you're looking for them? Do they need to address the defensive line out of Buckner gone? Are you looking for a skill position player to add to that offense someone outside of of you know? They're really talented tight. End And George. Kit ought to be able to catch the ball. I think they believe in Jimmy Garoppolo but I think they also believe that. They have to put quarters around us. You're males got Jerry. Judy here in this third. Mock draft you. That is good high. That would make sense if he was still. There is a flood told me before. He's the best road runner I've ever value. He's the guy who can step in the league and but that he's ready to go. He's eighty catches over thousand yards ten twelve touchdowns that kind of player even though he's not that big. He's not that fast he's just he's just excellent what he does but now you're I mean John Kin off. He drops down there. That would kind of make sense but I really think you don't make that trade and wanted to go in. Another question is clear. Law and upgrade over Bucknell. Because if not then why are you making that deal? That's my point. Yeah I think that they want to bring in an offense of weapon. I think they want to gold around their quarterback. I think they believe in Jimmy. And even though he's had some moments in the playoff run was not the best but I think that they believe that they can build around him and and make make that offensive side as good as the defensive side has been and and I think you know with the way shirt. He wants the defense to be stable but he also he knew when he made that that deal with New England to bring Jimmy. That was going to be the side of the ball that had to improve. And I think that that's what they're trying to do right now. The idea of deebo Samuel Jerry. Judy George Kettle like that. Offense could be exciting with a bunch of young talented people and I loved. I loved able if they if if he can stay right. He's he's. He's such an underrated. So outside of that. I mean looking down the rest of this. You know we're one of the things that we want to do here. We've been off for two weeks. We want to get to a bunch of questions that you guys have but but todd anything else that when you look at this other than Jordan. Love at twenty three which we've talked about to the Patriots if you get there if you're the New England patriots GM and you're at twenty three and Jordan. Love is sitting there for you. Are you looking at him? Are you going elsewhere? You think it's worth that position. If Brian Hoyer for the interim do you think that you wait another year what is GM? Todd mcshea. Do I'm I'm taking? I'm taking move if he's sitting twenty-three I'm taking him and I and I realized that I'm GonNa need a year or so to bridge the gap. But they've always built it with the long-term in mind and trying to find values and to me twenty-three value for Jordan love really especially if you're talking about just gets even dog is upset about the fact that you're in. What's your dog's name? His name is Dexter Dexter. All right said Teigen. Yeah take in. My dog is in the other room behaving so far. But there's no guarantees but we'll see how long that lasts. Yeah and I've got two kids that are banging on pots in the background. One and no one can go outside and do something but ultimately my point is I think it's all about value and if you're sitting there twenty three and you can get a quarterback like Jordan the potentially has yes. He had the seventeen interceptions and and he made mistakes. But if you really studies tape and especially go back and study the twenty eighteen tape that's when you realize that there's a lot there to develop so you know. I think that they would do it. It doesn't mean they will but I think that they would strongly consider that I like Jerry Adam but that just can't be the answer it just can't be. It seems Brian. Hoyer as always kind of been that guy. That's a little bit of a stop gap. And he's not he's not going to be terrible for your franchise and you can keep things together. But he's not a long term option so if they don't see that guy during love would make a lot of sense there at twenty three for them. Inlet hoyer bridge the gap. Exactly exactly you know I. I've always liked hoyer for what he is. I thought he was a third round draft. Picking on that was my first. That was my first draft experience. Really the first time I ever onset. This is a true story. I was sitting next to her Edwards and Trey Wingo On forget the logistics of it. But I you know the main crew as the main crew I was twenty seven twenty eight years old and they are we're going to have an ESPN to set and they would come to us at K. Generally but we you know we weren't the main the main show it was Kuyper and whoever will grow and maybe at the time boomer all those guys it was it was the big the big crew that used to have the draft for a long time and and I loved Hoyer and Melwood. He gave me a lot of junk about hoyer. And we're inside. Were in New York. Yup and the crazies are there now on day three and I was like. He's a third round pick. He had so many drops his receivers failed him this that the other thing and in the sixth or seventh round. They started chanting Brian. Who you're for like forty minutes. Charley casserly was there with the NFL network and he has come over here. But and I walked over as they don't worry about them. You're always going to have this. I notice your first year doing this. Don't worry about them a lot not telling you he's pretty good and I don't know if I'm right or wrong but it's just funny. That was my first when I really WANNA go out on a wedge for player. So I've I've always had a thing it could wear because he's been serviceable player in the NFL for a long time. There's been a lot bigger. I'm not saying that I I mean it wasn't Brady was sure that would be amazing along day. Well let's get to where we send out a tweet asking for a bunch of questions from you guys Have not been here like I said for two weeks so we're just going to get into as many of these as we can try. This comes from Scott Porter. Where do you see Lynn? Bowden from Kentucky going like when I like when he does a little bit of everything he's kind of today's NFL guy. He could play a little quarterback playing the slot. Playing the backfield. I I would say I'd be. I will be surprised if we get today three. And he's still on the board. I think he's GonNa be somewhere late second early. Third and I've talked. I talked to a scout so last week ten days ago. Who was saying. Have you watched enough on him? I'm like yeah like watch more. I mean he's he's one of those guys that like the more you study of him the more you appreciate what he can do and the today's league in how everyone is just kind of an offensive weapon not not pigeonholed to being one thing. I think that's what really makes track next. Question comes from Eric. Avila Big Fan. This awkward where do you see normally Davis way? I don't know that's a great question. Always Davis of Alabama. Where do you see him going in the draft? I would I would say second third round range. He's I mean we've talked about before he's the guy you want off the bus. He's so big and strong and physical Ten years ago he probably would have been a late first early second now. He's probably late second third he. He was an interesting interview. I sat down with him after sitting down with nick saving in their offices and nick with it. Knicks interesting because he for as difficult as he can be to deal with sometimes. He really wants to represent his players. Appropriately not not overselling. He wants to really give you the honest truth so that everyone has the information. I've come to respect that. A lot about him I really have. And he said some of the people in the room. The defensive line room were not great influences and Ray Kuan had some maturing to do and he wasn't ready to handle some guys you know when you're the young kid and you're immature and you're around some other bigger kids that you think are the stars. Sometimes you might not act the way you WANNA act rake on. That's what was going on. And then re Quan came in the room and he said the same exact thing. And he's like he's the coaches could tell me. My teenage could tell me but when my mom and my dad and my family members toll. You're not you're not who you should be and we know you're GonNa be better than this. I was wondering like there's five or six moments every year when you sit in these conference rooms with these players and coaches that stand out now as one of them and It was it was really cool to see because he was such a great player as a freshman he was a dot as a sophomore and this past year he picked it back up and I think a lot of it had to do with just like coming to grips with the fact that he needed to step up and Mitchell and he did. Yeah that was a long answer. I know all right but But it was. It was one of the cool experiences of someone's got to be able to ramble on and melts. Not here so it's okay that you take up that mantle rattener wants to know this question cuyler. Murray was the easy pick last year at number one. So how does he differ? That much from jalen hurts. Were hurt. Isn't even getting any looks as a fringe starter. Accuracy that's what it comes down to just consistent accuracy. Accuracy in Tyler is Jalen is athletic and very mobile. And he's a Gamer and he's a baller and he's competitive and I love all of that about him. Cuyler was is just more explosive it. It's easy if you sit there and watch the tapes. It's easy it's hard to explain. But it's easy to show you if that makes sense it. The twitch the quickness the ability to evade to explode onto the pocket but then when the throw is a the ball placement is so much more consistent with cuyler than it has been one with Jaylen. And that's that's GonNa be as big challenge. He's athletic enough to succeed. It's can he be more consistently ashort CAC Jalen? He's still gonNA drill some. I've heard some people say second I don't I don't see. I see more third for but quarterback the bill of that. You know developmental quarterback with upside the teams would take a shot at you know in the third fourth maybe fifth if he felt that far. Everybody's played a ton of. Yeah that's true. He's played a ton of Boll and Tyler Tyler. Didn't you know Baker came came in and then Tyler Kyle with tyler was like he's GonNa keep getting better because he's just now scratching the surface because he'd just get didn't get to play a lot with Jaylen like he's played in two different systems. Are I think three different coordinators and four years whatever? The the numbers are I think we know what Jalen is is the vessel. I can put it and I'm not saying that that's a negative. I think your draft a guy who you think is going to be a good backup that maybe could turn into a starter in the third fourth round range and I. That's to me what Jalen is. And by the way he's going to be like the fifth or sixth or seventh quarterback taken and there are sixty five seventy of them in the world that succeed in a given year. You know like it's it's not a knock like what he's done has been amazing. It's just like the reality of the whole situation. Is I think his inconsistency with accuracy is going to be what defines him if he'd like if he can if he can somehow improve it then he's got a real shot because he's mobile. He's competitive. He's tough. He's strong his physical. He's all these things but if he can improve that. I don't believe any quarterback can succeed in the long term without accuracy. Because I haven't seen it. I think about from Montana to Brees Tom. Brady to the The manning's like if you don't have accuracy the rest of it doesn't really matter you know. That's gotta be tough. You saying that you know that's not that's not a knock on the Guy. I can only imagine when you're talking about comparing kids played the position. I saw that saying these kids aren't good but it's the idea of you're talking about Kennedy has watched him win the national championship of watching thousand names. And there's so many great things I can say about this person and player. It's it's just like you know all right now we separate the good from the elite from a really you know the top end and I don't think he's there and it doesn't mean he can't get there but I don't think he's area all right next question from Andrew Miller with the bills out of the first round thanks this defined digs trade. Where do you see them going now with their first pick? I mean that's a that's going to be tough. Yeah I mean second round they always. They love building their front seven. I think they could add. I think they could add to running back depth just in case. Not NECESSARILY THEIR SINGLE. Terry has the body to be able to be a full-time workforce running back. I like him. I really do like him but I would bring in. Another back is my point. I really like him and I was bummed out when he ran a poor forty time last year at the combine. I knew it was gonNA drop. But he's a he's a really good player but I would bring in another running back and trying to think tight end like add another which is out another weapon. Eventually you're going to have to live and die with your quarterback Josh Allen is. He's a runner. He's got a big arm. But you gotta find ways to get to like make him more efficient without asking him to do something that he can't do what he can't do yet is make timing throws anticipate throws an consistently. Put The ball right. Where he he needs to put it. So what we need to do that as an offense is we need to win it. Run the ball. We need to mix in quarterback runs. We need to rush Greens and then we need to hit on some people's and we if we can hit on two out of ten. We've got a chance to win. I mean that's a reality. Two out of ten if you hit on the deep to ten times with the way he can throw it a his deep all finishes the play like. It's over that six. Whereas not the case with most quarterbacks in the League so to me it's figuring out how do. I get enough weapons around where I can run reverses run some qb auction run the ball and get and get one or two guys down the field that can go make us tank this questions of I dunno as a big question. I'M GONNA give it to. You will see where it lands but Mike. Chenault wants to know which prospects will turn into bargains if they fall do not pro day workouts. And obviously we're in a situation right now where teams are trying to figure this out to the entire. Nfl is trying to figure out what they're going to do. As far as as Seymour kids play and whatnot You know bringing people in for for meetings before the draft. That's still all up in the earned fluid but given the way that it is right now. Todd is there anybody that just comes to mind with your like you know. This guy could fall because he doesn't get a pro day workout maybe. He struggled at the combine. Maybe he didn't participate at the combine. Was waiting for that day Actually it's an interesting question. I would topic eight. Yeah I'm just thinking. Aj Peninsula from from Iowa is one of those guys that like. I just think he's a good football player. Even though as workout numbers are going to be great I've got a whole list of guys that did not work out. I wish I had in front of me. I'll tell you and he worked out. I believe Antoine winfield junior is one of the best players. I've watched on tape all season long and I just hadn't studied them. This theory complain the slot. He can play Corner. He can plays safety. He's a ball Hawk and he's a bad ass just like his dad. Five nine zero three. I don't care he's going to rock you. I I put out of. I think it was an Instagram. Or twitter tweet Of Two back to back ways that he had it was the first drive of the Penn state game right this the the running back for Penn state breaks through. The line is coming down. There's a receiver. That's in perfect position. Fifteen yards down the field. Anton takes him throw them aside and then like Hob ties. The running back written a milk open-field usually these guys. They come hot down down the field down the alley. They sort of have bad angles. He's just always great position than the skin. Play was a play action throw and he had he kinda got turned around a little bit and he has a little bit of tightness in his hips but once he got turned around his his head was up tracking the ball vertically. And it sounds so simple. But like think about if you're chasing someone down the street and and something's GonNa come land in this person's hands in front of you. The last thing you WanNa do is turn around and actually try to look for that thing. Because you're gonNA you're either gonNA run into the person that you're tracing or you're you're just gonNA lose track of what's going on. He did it so smoothly it was pulled it Dan. Pick and balls turnover. That's the kind of player he is. It was a three plays into that tape where I was like. Oh Man I just didn't know I didn't know and I don't care I honestly I don't care what he is. Five nine two three great four five five four six. I don't care that dude can play. So he's one of the guys that really stands out just studying the tape K. K. Robert Norval wants to know what pass rusher can the seahawks get at twenty seven obviously still up in the air with Geneva and cloudy with what it is that he's asking for We'll see when we get news on that but assuming they don't bring him back right. Outta soon if they brought him back they wouldn't take a pass rusher at twenty-seven Never WanNa ruining out but I think they could maybe have other needs curious though there. I mean I I mentioned Aj from from Iowa before Yup not an elite player but a really good solid consistent player. I would say best case Kayla von Chasen's GONNA fall that for. I really don't although he could because he's speed based To the problem is with this class that the defensive ends like itera gross mottos is. Kinda the next guy up if you will but after that there's a melting got. Oh going to Seattle twenty seven. So yeah I mean after that. There's really a a drop off in my opinion in terms of the defense events. There's there's linebackers There's intil more interior guys than normal their secondary guys but but the the edge players. I think there's a pretty significant drop off after you get obviously chase young and then and then after that NASA Gross Macho. So all right. We can do a couple more here before we close this out Nathan. M thirty three wants to know any chance that judy or lamb are not the first wide receiver off the board. And I think Henry Rugs would like a conversation about why he wasn't even included in this tweet some rogues could be I don't see it on tape. The speed I see the toughness I say sitting with him and talking to him I love. I love the way he approaches the game. He loves the GAME HE NEEDS IT. And that's so important in the evaluation process it. They just one of the most underrated things. If you really talked to coaches and general managers they the two things that I get most when talking to evaluators I and respect the most or I need someone who will trust me and then I also need someone who have like absolutely has to have this game so when I when I sat with rugs it felt like he he will do anything in the world for Nick Sabin and he absolutely had to have this game. And it's I think in any business if you really apply it to anything you do in life you anyone. Who's going to work with you or work for you? You want them to be able to trust you but your trust your coaching right. Yep if I tell you to do something trusted doing it because I want to bring out the best in you and then also I I right or wrong. I want to know that you need to do this. You have to wake up tomorrow earlier than the next guy because you don't have another option anyway. Yeah rugs to me is going to be inconsideration but I think it will eventually be judy as the first receiver. And I think he's earned it and I think he's been the most consistent and I like I just I trust that he's going to be open all of the time and I think rugs is GonNa be right there and then CD lamb the difference like okay. So rug is gonNA run a four to seven and he's the room. Judy is going to run the best routes and he's going to get open more than any of these other guys and CD is going to be open as much as guys. But he's GonNa make contessa catches and he's going to be the most physical and difficult to deal with after the catch A. That's that's exactly what they are. I've watched I don't want to say I'm not lying like some other people like I haven't watched every single play of every snap of these guys but but I've watched enough to know lambs. The best CD Rugs is the most explosive and judy is the most consistent and move. Get Open at the top of stem working back to you. If the play breaks down he is so good to his quarterback he he's a IBM as a quarterback. All right and last question here. Todd Jacob Winkler wants to know skins need to go tight end and run three right. Who's the best fit there? I don't know if you can say specifically need to go around three but you look at who the redskins now have at tight end. And as Jeremy Sprinkle Logan Thomas Richard Rodgers. Do you think that tight end position needs to be upgraded one and two. Do you see someone that you think fits this team and the scheme and where do you think that could fall? It's not a great class. No cold coal combat from Notre Dame would probably be the first one off the board in the Second Round Albert over Missouri won't even Okocha Booming. Oko Boom local boom. I'm Elliot you handle it for. Missouri will probably be the next one off the board especially after he ran in the four fives and he had ridiculous. Workout at the combine. Jared Jerry Pinkney Izzo from Vanderbilt. He ease his tape is so much better than his workout is tape from twenty. He's like Jordan. Love of of the tight ends he if you go back to twenty eighteen. He's a late first early. Second and you go back this past year but everyone on team declined there. They've four offensive skill position players. That all decline this past year. It might have something to do with coaching. I'm just saying Harrison Bryant from. Fau is a good player. Hunter Bryant from Washington'S. A good player. Adam trautman is kind of a late riser coming out of Dayton and I between Pinkney Bryant and Brian in trouble men and then maybe Koby Parkinson Mitchell Wilcox. I would say those are like the four five guys in that third early fourth around rains. That would make a lot of sense. We are going to be back next. Week is the goal is to hopefully bring you to podcast next week. We will see how that works. Obviously thank you for being understanding while we try to figure out all these remote solutions while everybody's working from home Self isolating as best. They can and trying to figure out a way to be able to help flatten the curve while we do all of this but we love being able to do this. Bring this content you guys. Hopefully we will be back next week with two podcast shirt over questions to your been fantastic. Thank you guys for winning. And that's going to do it for us for todd. My name is Daniel. Hopefully you never hear my voice again in this podcast and we'll see you guys next week.