GSMC Movie Podcast Episode 113: RBG and On the Basis of Sex


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And also because I'm happy one of them is a documentary, which if you have listened to the podcast before. You know, that I'm very fond of documentaries. So, yeah, we're definitely going to include a documentary if I can we will also be talking about the inferiors movie. Bush called on the basis of sex. The documentary is called Rb g and I am very excited to speak about them. I feel inspired. I feel empowered. And I really think that this is a good time to talk about these films. They came out at the right time. I feel like society is ready. And if at least not ready definitely in need a films like this. And really I had a good time learning about Ruth Bader Ginsburg because I didn't know much about her. I knew the pictures. I knew some of the memes I knew that she was notorious, but I got the opportunity to learn more. And kinda see what all the hype was about and the hype delivered. She's an amazing woman. So before I get into these films. I want to share just a few facts about the real notorious Rb G, which if you didn't know that's what they call her. That is what the internet has dubbed her. Of course, you can think this is similar to the nutrients b I g which is where Ruth's fund fan name came from. Of course, it is also our BG because she is Ruth baiter Ginsburg, easy math. So to start off with Ruth Bader Ginsburg is eighty five years old. She is a opera lover she has two children. And also, I did not know this. She has survived fights with cancer twice. Also, recently, it seems she has like fractured a few ribs. And there's also a recent cancer scared surgery. I believe that may have taken her out of office for a bit. And she has actually been out of the office for about I want to say too. Weeks. I or maybe just a week at least win. I am recording. This I believe it has just been a week. So you might be asking what office. Well, she is an associate Justice of the supreme court of the United States, and yes, eighty five years old isn't old age in which to hold office of such importance. Although I do believe the oldest Justice on the supreme court was ninety. So she's got like five years. Also, I do want to share a quote from her which I think is great. She had to be sort of goaded into sane at quote. And this is about. I guess like the dividing times that we are experiencing right now. Her quote is I think there will be a way back. I can't predict little see it in my lifetime. But one of the things that Marty often said about the country that the true symbol of the United States is not the bald eagle? It is the pendulum, and if it goes too far in one direction go it's going to swing back. Now, if you don't know who Marty is then strap in because we about talk about some fun facts about lady Ruth, Bader Ginsburg, so to start I want to talk about the first film, which is our BG. This is a documentary. It is streaming on Hulu. So if you have the Hulu service, you can watch it. It was originally created. I believe for CNN is a great film. It's only like ninety eight minutes, and it's directed by Betsy west and Julie Cohen, they also produced it, so some fabulous women making the film about another fabulous woman who feel like definitely inspired them. And of course, our is related to what she's been dubbed, the notorious RPG, and of course, also her name, and this film is an excellent look into Ruth's life. It starts from the very beginning and goes up until when this was produced and she had an amazing life. So it's not difficult to make a documentary about something that is already interesting. So they definitely find the right subject. A again, I feel like I can't give you too much summary about this. Because like it's about her life. So I will be sharing some points about this film that I really enjoyed and some survey shins just start in the beginning. You see the talk about her childhood and her mother died when Ruth was very young her mother actually passed away on Ruth was just seventeen and she had a relationship that was very close to her mother. But they also spent a lot of time debating and not in like an angry way, it seems. But in a way, where routes mom wanted Ruth to grow up to be strong and sharp and definitely woman who could hold her own, and you see that reflected in who Ruth bid against Berg is now and the woman that she has become and just the politician that she has become I guess, the the Justice that she has become and then after her mother passed she graduated high school, she went to college. And then she also enrolled in. Harvard Law School. She was one of very few women in that class. I think maybe they're only like five at the time that she went. And while she was in Harvard Law School, she had a child who's like two years old. She also made the Harvard law review in her second year and to make the Harvard law review, you have to be like top of your class. She worked extremely hard, especially because during this time, her husband also had cancer. So her beloved husband Marty Martin Ginsburg or mardi they had been married after college. They met an undergraduate and just she had to keep up with her own work at law school plus her husband's worked because he was also going to Harvard law. So just the amount of work that she had to do. And you really see how this hard working attitude and the circumstance shaped her into the woman that she would later become because she really learned how to burn them in nut oil, and they really they do talk about this a lot in the film on a few reviews that I read. People talked about how some points got extremely stressed. And we're brought up a lot by a lot of different people and that wasn't necessarily edited. Like, for instance, the fact that she worked super super hard and would just like only two hours of sleep a night and then sleep all weekend or just basically saying how hard working she was. And while I agree that that is a point that keeps coming up throughout this film. I would not say that should be a negative about this movie. Just because that's the truth about who. She is. And I don't think that should be taken away from our view of Ruth because she is amazing again. I don't know. I'm probably going to keep saying that because I really felt that watching this film. I was so inspired also to continue in this film. You really get to see some adorable glimpses into her life. For example, you see her interacting with her granddaughter? Her granddaughter is a Harvard law graduate, so you really get to see them interact. It's very cute. Also, you get to see. Speeches by her late husband Marty and you hear him talk about their relationship. He was very gregarious. And I really feel like this this documentary and probably even more the next we'll be talking about this on basis of sex. You really see their love story, which is so prominent in this in both films just because their relationship was so amazing. And she talks about that a lot like the greatest. Thing that she did the grossest she ever made with marrying Marty. And it's so adorable. It really is. I'll talk a little bit more about him later on. But you see her relationship with Marty you'll see her workout? She does some like she's pretty intense, and like I'm not talking about workout when she was in Harvard law. I mean workout in current day like she's eighty five years old. And she's doing pushups, I don't even the guy can do pushups. I mean, I haven't tried. But I don't think she I don't think I can. And I'm really impressed like she has a trainer she goes to the gym every day like she is such a determined lady in her work. But then also in just other parts of her life. So very again. So inspired. You also see her ability to really reach across the aisle and become friends with dot just liberals. She's considered a more liberal Justice. But also with conservatives like her associate like her friendship with the late Justice and antone. I'm sorry. I'm gonna say it's wrong and tone. In scalia. And really they disagreed a lot on political philosophy and really so many different points. But despite that, they still grew to be great, friends and have a great life petanque relationship and just a friendship lasted up until Scalia passed away as I mentioned, you see her relationship with Marty just to focus a little bit on this. And I it does come up again in on the basis of sex. But she really had this great love story with mardi mardi was a great tax lawyer himself. He campaigned tirelessly for his wife like when she was going to school in the fifties. And when she was working in the sixties, he really was a pioneer because he loved route so much and saw so much of her potential than this documentary reveals so much of the ways that he helped her and pushed her to become the best version of herself in the version that he knew she could become and just to see his faith in her. Strengthen her and through all that. She did not that she couldn't do any of these things without him. But just that with him. I feel like it amplified her success, and it pushed her onto things that perhaps she wouldn't have for example, mardi campaign tirelessly to get her name on the list of candidates for Bill Clinton. When Clinton was drying up his first year in office like to fill up vacancies in the supreme court bench because Bill Clinton is the president the nominated her. And according to Bill Clinton he remembers just like how amused? He was when he interviewed Ruth, and basically she just like upon the interview immediately at the interviews like this is it I'm she's going in and just to see that she could be charming in that way. But I feel like really that was because Marty got her name on the list not because she didn't deserve to be there. But because she wasn't going to toot her own horn. And so he did it for her. And he was also extremely good areas. So you really see how that helped and she was. Much more reserved which is just really interesting to see in the relationship because not only what she friends with people who are on other political sides. But she also had a great relationship with someone who's personality in some ways in maybe sociability were also different. So that was really sweet to see their relationship. Also he's much taller than her. But she is so small so it is door. Anyway, we're gonna take a quick break. And then we'll be right back and keep talking about some more, Ruth, Bader Ginsburg. Want to know the latest and hottest music hidden the airwaves, Jill be left out listened to the Golden State media concepts music podcast, g on the loop with everything you need to from rock hiphop top Florida, and we'll throw in news of your favorite artists, concert and toured mates and so much more. Listen, no further because this is the gold standard in music podcast. Welcome back to the MC movie podcast. We are continuing to talk about the wonderful Ruth Bader Ginsburg, both in the documentary, our BG and also in the in theaters movie on the basis of sex. We are continuing to talk about rby G as we did before the break. And I just want to mention there are so many insights about her life that you see and. Some of them were adorable. But then like her love story with Marty. Her husband also, just like her relationship with her family and things like that. But you also get to see some really funny parts about her life. For instance, was a very serious person. And you can see that up in up until who she is now, but also throughout her life and just how serious she was about getting work done, and she didn't laugh a whole lot. But her daughter Jane actually said that they used to keep a journal and it was called. Mommy laughed and they would list the rare moments that her and her brother James caught their mother laughing, which she admits was the book was not very full. So you get to see like adorable moments and funny moments like that I mean impressive moments like seeing her do a plank and pushups, which is amazing. But I just enjoyed all this little tidbits. We also again, they mentioned many times about how much she worked and she'd work late into the night. And really I saw like she was such a work Hollick. And it made me realize how I am definitely not a workaholic, but it did inspire me a bit to do better in my work ethic. And also, you just see how her way as a lawyer before she joined the supreme court how she would fight for women fight for equality and her way of doing that and a time when there were so many protests and feel like we've have come quite a way as women. I guess I could say we have more rights, but also just at the time when she started a lawyer she had to fight so much not just against gender discrimination. But also to show people that gender discrimination was a real thing. She. She worked as an ACL, you lawyer, and she was almost kind and instructive, but never ceasing in fighting for this issue in fighting for quality. And in speaking to a lot of male judges when active as a lawyer, many of the ways that you would talk to them, she treated them as sensible people who would agree with her side. Once they knew the facts, she never demonized, the male judges at least not that I saw this film, and she's quoted as saying she felt like a kindergarten teacher to explain this issue. Two men who really weren't aware of it. And she says she doesn't believe that. They hated women. They just didn't think about women, and that that was something she could change and that really formed the basis of much of her career, and how she wanted to change law and just you see that at this time, of course, much protest, many people say protesting was not route style that wasn't how. She wanted to make her point known. And so she goes to the law, and she wants to change, you know, the judges minds, but she also wants to change law. So that as the minds of the country changes, the laws will be ready for that the laws can follow the changes of the country and not just stay behind and not just be outdated in a way to fit where America was going some of my ending takeaways from this film. I really enjoyed particularly this one opening part. There are many voices in the beginning that you hear they're saying they're talking about Ruth and they're saying like, oh, she's wicked and she's a witch etc. And that was really intriguing and I didn't really know Hussein these sentiments, but I never really got to find out because sentiments like this don't appear later in the film, except sort of when you see President Donald Trump talking about Ruth. But other than that, everyone even conservatives. Everyone had nice things. To say about Ruth. So you really didn't get a lot of dissenting opinions about her. Like, you know that Ruth is a dissenter in the court. She will often disagree with rulings of the court has, but you never see anyone else really dissent against her. At least not as much as you think might happen. When the setup of the film is all these people talking badly about her at least from what I observed. That's really the only time you hear that you hear sending opinions only at the beginning. And you never really get the names of Hussein that unless you just recognize voices. But yeah, they really didn't show. A lot of dissenting opinions about who she is. Also, I would say I left with some questions unanswered. For example, why did Ruth feel such determination to succeed in law and become a lawyer as opposed to other, you know, work field. I mean being a lawyer was very male dominated field. But you don't really see why maybe she didn't join another male dominated field or business or something wanted to become a CEO. Especially because she's such like a workaholic. And again, that's just stressed very a lot in the film. If you think I'm talking about it a lot in this podcast. You should watch this movies. There's some things they continually bring up like how she's workaholic. But also, given the colic there would probably sacrifices that she had to make in her life to achieve what she did. And you don't you don't really see her talk about if she regretted anything related to that. It seems like everything is hunky Dory. Like between her and her kids. And like, it seems like obviously, she was gone a lot to do the important work that you had to do. And you don't really see her kids talk about that all that much. It's not really negative especially because they're saying she would only sleep like two hours a night and then sleep the whole weekend to make up for it. So you don't you don't really hear them talk about how that could have been a drawback of her important work. Granted I can assume maybe the answers to these questions. Maybe that's too personal for the family. But also, maybe the questions were asked by the filmmakers, and maybe MRs Ginsburg just didn't want to answer them. Or maybe other people didn't want to answer them. You know, they only wanted to remember Ruth is the amazing figure that she is maybe not necessarily the. Workaholic mother, but those are some questions I had I wouldn't say that's a major critique. But it is something that I thought about if you like documentaries. You will really like this film. If you have heard a lot about Ruth, Bader Ginsburg, the notorious rby all the memes and the tattoos or the else get which is hilarious. You know, perhaps you'd like this film. Well, I would say more than perhaps, I think you will like this film. And I also think that everyone should watch it. I think that we should all learn about MRs Kuenssberg because she is a maze ING, so that brings us onto our next film, which is on the basis of sex, and this is an inferior film. It's out right now it is directed by Mimi letter writer Daniel, Stephen also Daniel is a roots nephew. So she did have some insight onto the screenplay. Apparently, she saw in multiple renditions, but after know like third edition, she didn't want to review it anymore and other people have her family came into review at for her at believe her daughter Jane did as well. So that's really sweet. And you know that there is the insight that was provided by the family. So that is really good to know. So I enjoyed learning about that. And good for Daniel beta like rate, a great piece of work about his his aunt stars of this. Film are Felicity Jones as. Ruth, Bader Ginsburg, Armie hammer as mardi Ginsburg just throw as Mel wolf Sam Waterson. Plays Erwin Griswold. Who is the Harvard? Dean also Kathy Bates plays. Dorothy Kenyon, and the actor in this film is very good. I enjoyed all of it. Felicity Jones, does a great sort of like Brooklyn New York accent. I was very impressed Armie hammer is so tall. I believe Ruth was quoted saying that Marty wasn't as tall as Armie hammer because he looks gigantic especially next, Felicity Jones. Although Ruth is very short. I believe she's shorter than Felicity Jones. But still so tall. Also, if he just looks like like like a slick like nineteen fifties like heartthrob, which I don't know if they were going for and there weren't any super clear pictures of Marty Ginsburg in the documentary. So I mean, they're both good looking people back in the fifties. When they're very young. So I guess I just kept being struck by like how like how? Big army hammers presence was especially for a character who is very gentle and a very doting father. So that was interesting slightly distracting to me. But anyway, enough about the cast this film is about Ruth Bader Ginsburg as she is a struggling attorney and new mother she faces adversity and like numerous obstacles and her fight for women's equal rights. She takes on a ground-breaking tax case with her husband, and she knows that it could change the direction of her career and the way that the court's view gender discrimination. She takes on this case it really follows her right? If she starts Harvard Law School up until this one specific tax case, they have the documentary. Our BG focuses on routes whole life. Whereas this film focuses on a specific case. And what led up to this case? I feel like that was a very smart decision. You know, she had. She has. A long life eighty five years old, and I just feel like to focus on her whole life would have been too much for this film. You would have had to condense way too much to fit into like, two hours or whatever. And I think that whatever salted in being poorly executed, so I am very glad that they focused just on this part of her life. I also did it know because I had mentioned Felicity Jones's accent is very good. I did not know that I guess Ruth had more of like the Brooklyn New York accent. Because now when I hear speak. I don't really hear it. But currently as she got older either just naturally changed or she changed it to fit better in with some of the other supreme court judges and justices and just to not appear. I guess I mean, I could assume maybe to stick out as much with her accent. But that was very interesting to hear something, I didn't know about Ruth. Also this case, they specifically talk about is a case that went to the US court of appeals in nineteen seventy one. So it is interesting. You definitely get some insight into the law, which I feel like all Americans, it's important to know. So we're going to take another break. And then we're going to continue talking about this wonderful film on the basis of sex. Poza knows start with Lowe's because Lowe's has the fixtures and the savings to get the job done. Right. Working on a big bath project. Now, you can get up to thirty five percent off select bath faucets. And you can even save up to twenty percents on select toilets. 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Mrs Ruth, baiter Ginsburg. We are speaking specifically about the in-theatre film on the basis of sex. And before the break, I mentioned the case specifically that this movie focuses on that Ruth, and Marty are fighting in court and the court of appeals nineteen seventy-one. Also, this story lake the documentary, you see a lot into the love story between Ruth and Marty and it is really door. I I can't get over how supportive Marty is. And I feel like you could really make the argument that Marty was a feminist in an ally to women really before anyone knew that that could be thing. And I don't even think he thought about it that way he just thought about how much he loved his wife and how much you believed in her. And especially seeing the documentary before I saw. Film, which I don't know if there's a better way to see them. I mean the documentary has already been out for a little while. So you might have already seen it. But it is interesting just to see like when he first met Ruth. When Marty I met Ruth, you know, she he thought that she was cute, but one of the other things that really stood out to him was her brain. And how smart she was. And so you really see from the beginning that he loves her not just for how she looks not just for, you know, their children that they share but also for her abilities and her smarts. So that's really amazing to see and to see not just that he thinks that I think many husbands think that. But how he then translates that too. Okay. I know that she's smart. And I love her for that. And I'm going to make sure that everyone else knows how smart she is. And he really takes that extra level besides just acknowledging. Yes, my wife is smart. He says in everyone's gonna know how smart she is. I'm gonna make sure of it. And I'm gonna make sure she can strive and do whatever she wants. So that is really adorable to see also. A point that I mentioned the documentary felt like there wasn't a lot of dissenting opinion of Ruth shown in the documentary. But this movie does show a little bit more controversy surrounding her use seal it up more of like weakness nervousness, and she stammers in front of the court. I feel like Rb g made Ruth seem sort of invincible. Granted I did see a quote from Ruth that according to her. She said she did not stumble at the onset of this case. Apparently, she would not have done that. And that she did not which I mean does not surprise me. After seeing the documentary. I was like, yeah. No. She definitely didn't do that. But the film being fictitious it showed a little bit more weakness on her part. So that was interesting. It also showed her being extremely outspoken, and she stepped on a lot of toes in this film, and you know, like not necessarily in a subtle way. Like there's a scene in her classroom where she stands up and sort of like Shusha's another classmate. She basically shush is another classmate. So that she can talk and share her opinion, which she knows is. Right. And I did not get the sense from the documentary that she would have done that. I feel like she definitely would have shown, you know, and really spoken out when called upon. In class. So I am a bit surprised at that took place in this film. And also, she's like sassy Vilma bit which again, I don't know if I picked her that from the documentary, I don't really know her personally, obviously. But I did feel like this film glamorized her a bit made her a little more punchy and sort of enjoyable to watch because to be honest from the documentary. I felt like Ruth is maybe a little bit. Dull like dare I say it. She's quiet, and she's reserved not in a way that you assume she's dumb or that. She doesn't know. But when she speaks it is calculated, and she knows exactly what she's going to say. So I was a little surprised she seemed a little bit more wouldn't say impulsive. But just a little more sassy in this film. And it made me think about the film. I man because in the film. I man Neil Armstrong is not pro-trade as a fun guy. We don't really feel drawn to him. And in my opinion. That's what makes the film because the movie felt very true to who. Neal was and it didn't it didn't like need to make him more, entertaining or more Hollywood, you know, it felt real to me of the portrayal of Neil. Whereas like this film did not feel extremely real to Ruth. I felt like as I said, she was a little Holly Hollywood glamorized. So I. I don't know how I felt about that. Again. I don't know her in person. So I'm not sure how true this is. Or what she was like when she was in her twenties or thirties. I don't know. But I did feel that a little bit. Also, it is to note that this film is like a story it is a bit imaginative. So, you know, it's it's probably not fair for me to argue on this point. But it's not completely about her as a real completely completely realistic. It's not the documentary, but that did bother me a bit because I think they could have made it a bit more interesting if they had portrayed her as different character. Again, like how I felt I man portrayed Neil. It was interesting because he's not a character that were drawn to necessarily. But it's still about him on. I felt like they could have maybe gone that route with Ruth made her someone who is reserved, but that could have made the storm more interesting, but they chose not to. And that's okay. They went in a different direction. Also, my final takeaway thoughts. How does Ruth Bader Ginsburg feminism how does her feminism compared to today's? She plays the long game Ruth really does because she's eighty five years old and she's icon now, but she wasn't for most of her life. Everyone knew that she was smart, and she was on the supreme court, but she has gotten this new internet popularity in the memes. You know, she's in she's on tattoos. She has a coloring book about her and her own book about her. She's very much in pop culture. But her feminism was the long game. She in her own words, you know, she talked about educating the judges making them see her side, slowly and quietly in a way. And I don't know if we want that right now when she was a lawyer young lawyer teaching in the sixties and seventies there were lots of protests and lots of feminists speaking out, but now. Now that were in that again, we're speaking out again, do we want to wait longer again? I don't know. I think it's interesting Ruth waited for men to come to her side. And I don't know if women now want to wait for meant to understand. I feel like in a way we're very fed up. Although honestly as we have been for a long time, and she's not attention seeking roof is an attention seeking. She's not a woman who, you know, posts online or goes to Instagram or goes to protests. She's much more about changing the law than going out into the street to the picket sign, so I think it's interesting. We have a lot of women right now who are you know, on the picket line who were making big statements online who are more brazen like Alexandria Akasa Cortes who was also working in law and his very brazen about this. But I do feel like we need both women. We need the Ruth Bader Ginsburg who are doggedly going after writes, maybe quieter though, you know, they're not on the streets. But they're working really hard not to say that anyone who's also going on Instagram whatnot. Posting about feminism isn't working hard. But I am interested to see the comparison between. Ruth's feminism. And today's feminism even though again through all the times through her time sixties and seventies there were protests, and she just kept going in her own way to achieve rights for women in a way that wasn't on the streets. So I'm interested to hear how other women and other feminists view routes work and how that would. How that plays out today? So I do feel very inspired a highly suggestive both of these films, and I hope that everyone can learn more about Ruth bid against Berg because she is a wonderful in variance, barring woman that brings us to the end of the podcast. Thank you all so much for listening. I hope you tune into our next episode. You've been listening to the Golden State media concepts of movie podcast part of the Golden State media concepts podcast network. You can find this show and others like it at WWW dot Jesus z podcast dot com. Download our podcast on itunes, Stitcher sound club and Google play. 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