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Welcome to America calling from Studio for nine Albuquerque Monica Brain. Do you think there's a cure for the coronavirus. Do you believe grand jury in New York he's empanel to investigate the trump campaign's collusion with Russia if so you are ignoring all credible evidence to the contrary and you're not alone social media is proving to be a fast delivery service for false and wildly exaggerated information even elected leaders on the highest level of pushing stories that are easily proven to be fake. We'll give you the ammunition to fight facts right after national native news. This? Is National Native News Antonio Gonzalez voters in. Tuesday's Kansas primary elected a Navajo woman for the Democratic nomination for the Kansas State House of Representatives district ten Rondo of Aldo has more Christina has would twenty six years old is set to become the third native American and youngest member in the Kansas legislature as the race will be uncontested in the general election three other. Native women and Kansas all won their primaries. Tuesday has what graduated from both Haskell Indian nations university and the University of Kansas and felt her presence was needed to represent everyone in Douglas County which includes Lawrence Kansas a lot of these issues that happen at our level. The people don't really experience this particularly like me I've grown up in not the best neighborhoods I've grown up on like wick in section eight housing reduced lunch programs, even tribal clothing from nation living here, and I don't really hear that much stories of like like that this wasn't like fifty years ago. This is pretty recent And just seeing that type. I WANNA see that type of representation statehouse and And I I believe I'm qualified to do this. Believe our voices I'm voice that you know a lot of us feel like that wasn't her being heard of and I hope I can bring that to the State House. has would one unofficially with two thousand, two, hundred, thirty, nine votes compared to Brandon Holland five, hundred, five votes and AJ Stevens. Four hundred fifty, five votes. This is Rhonda Nevada for National Native News. Native American US congresswoman cherise. David's was unopposed for the Democratic nomination for the Kansas Third District seat. She'll face Amanda Adkins November who in the Republican race Tuesday. The American Indian Graduate Center has received a twenty million dollar donation from writer Mackenzie Scott ex wife of Amazon's at CEO Christine Trudeau reports the American Indian Graduate Center or AIG see received an unprecedented twenty million dollar individual donation of unrestricted funds from Mackenzie Scott. Scott. said in a recent announcement tweet that the contributions following up on a commitment she made last year to give away a majority of her wealth in her lifetime she continued in opposed to be a medium that of the nonprofits elected that quote every one of them is telling complex challenges that will require sustained effort over many years while simultaneously addressing consequences of the Covid nineteen pandemic AFDC Executive Director Angelique Albert we are just a mess like. To be a recipient of this incredible generosity really honored that she's just trusting us to do the work that promotes equity and justice in our in our society. At the time she says, students were hit hard last spring enough for the organization to create a designated Student Emergency Fund that started in. March. So far the additional fund has distributed over two hundred thousand dollars to Aggie students emergency needs because of the pandemic. Cova fill impacting our communities and our students have a hard time. They still are having a hard time. So going back to school has created additional challenges because some universities are doing remote but some are not heading into the fall semester. Albert says funds will address student needs covering housing utility bill, and household item costs along with technology access. Scott's donation is the largest individual donor gift in unrestricted funds over Aig sees fifty year history the solutions journalism network who funds this reporting was also included in Scott's nonprofit donations. I'm Christine Trudeau and demand Honiara Gonzales. 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Every day especially on social media, we are bomb bartered with stories, memes and musings that spread information that just isn't true or is greatly exaggerated. A good portion of Americans are not equipped to determine the veracity of what they're seeing twitter and facebook say that they're cracking down on false information. They've even labeled a tweet about voter fraud from president trump as false. So how often do you pass on information without checking the facts? How do you determine whether something comes from a trusted source? That's our conversation. Today you are invited to weigh in give us a call right now the number is one, eight, hundred, nine, six, two, eight, four, eight. That's also one, eight, hundred, nine, nine, native. On the line, we have Dr Moosa through our Tae. She's an assistant professor of justice and Socio Technical Change in the School of social transformation at State University and MADRASA is possibly Yawkey. Welcome back to native America calling. Thanks for having me. Also, on the line, we have Pamela Pereira. She's the director and founder of Media Savvy, citizens and chair of the New Mexico Media Literacy now welcome to native America calling for Maala. Hi thank you for having us. and to round out our conversation, we have Howard Schneider. He's the executive director of the Center for news literacy and a founding Dean for the School of Journalism at Stony. Brook. University. Welcome to native America Calling Howard. Thank you glad to be here. Murray's let's start with you. Where do you get information? You Trust what is your some of your trusted sources? Vs It depends on the topic at hand because as you know in Indian, country a lot of our. News doesn't. It isn't appearing in the mainstream sources, but usually I like to watch PBS news. Kind of go through. You know the headlines, Aljazeera NPR and CNN, and admittedly the things that catch my interest or usually what pops up on my social media timelines is what my my friends and colleagues are posting about. So you know and then and then I have a fair I I feel like I have a fair dose of just people who talk you know friends who say, Oh, my goodness have you heard this? What do you think and so? Yeah. So it's a little. It's a little bit of hearsay and a little bit of relying on the news sometimes for me. It'll. It'll be like a joke click somebody will make some sort of joke or like there was something going around about. Demons recently and I didn't know what it was related to, and then I go back to a trusted news source and find out in no it has something to do with one of president trump's tweets I think that's really interesting and It makes me feel a little bit better very said that you admit that Sometimes you get information just from you know folks what folks are sharing with you or something you see on your social media feed like that's okay right? It's it happened mean it's only human. What about you? Mila. Well I would say that I with me, I follow specific journalists on twitter. So I have very specific people that are follow or I will check the New York Times. So the post or depends sometimes I might just get my information from facebook but then I you know from like you said like from me or from. Certain kinds of something that somebody shared just to gauge what's happening or where people are at. Sometimes if I've lost track is I don't always stay up to date and. I don't check the news every day it's not I figured like if it's really important, I will find out about it. information travels very quickly. And then I go back and then I research they information so very much like you were saying or Maria was saying. Depending on the information. So it's science something to deal with, and then you know I I will go to my scientific sources, right and I mean I have to acknowledge that not everybody has time for for checking and double checking, and that's how we find ourselves in this circumstance where things that are just absolutely false continue to circulate and continue to. Have live in in our ethos of. Misinformation. Howard. What about you? You're the director of the Center for News Literacy, you must consume quite a bit every day. I'm Kinda News Junkie as you would imagine a former journalist and so I start my day every day with the Washington Post at York Times. I will you read carefully my local newspaper, which is very important. with to Newsday and I would urge everybody to get up on their local news. there was an interesting survey just released yesterday that said that people who regularly follow local news or eighty one percent. Or? Hold on hold on Second Howard, we've got a problem with your phone We're going to check with you and see if we can maybe like reconnecting get it a little bit better but you know what this is you bring up a really good point about local news and Marissa. Do you do you consider local news and important critical part of this? Media Diet that that we need to consume. Yes and I think it's particularly challenging for native people you know in here in the Phoenix area in Arizona, our local news is a little bit child. It's hard for us to actually find local news. It's a problem in the area in terms of that, our local news has really been been a number of I don't know how to put it but like you know mater major media mergers and so forth that have made it very difficult for local investigative reporters to get the stories that they work on pushed out and so a lot of times we actually don't really know about crime in our own communities we don't know about How local legislations are going things like that, we have to actually go and either speak to experts or go to community panels to find out that kind of information and an addition being a native person I mean for me when local news is also about I, rely on my tribal council for updates and taking a look at what India country you know has to say you know either through Indian country today or Indians Dot com about you know, how's it going in particular region? So. It's very challenging and that's a tough one. Particularly when it comes to if your tribe at you know doesn't have its own independent media or the media itself is run by the tribe and then you're you're left wondering like, okay. Is this information that I'm getting from this? And you know how does this? Go with what my cousins are telling me. They heard happened at the meeting and things like that. I Will Murray say we'll give a shout out though to their Zona Republic which actually has to native reporters. There right now and it seems through an an effort to have more diverse voices and things like that. You mercy you say that we need to have three good habits for getting good information. Tell us about these. you know this is based on the work of sanity united Spanish philosopher but he'd written about how people who are who endure systemic oppression sort of the three habits they need to have to be able to see through the distorted reality of oppressive governmental regimes right. So those three habits are humility. Basically a willingness to admit when you're wrong and at a willingness to admit the limitations of one zero knowledge and that you know partnered with curiosity also a kind. Of An internal drive and desire to find out about facts and follow up on stories and you know try to understand how something relates to one's own life and and then again the will the diligence right like the willingness to do that the habit the disciplines and the skill sets to follow up on facts claims of others and to expand your factual knowledge and you know I really appreciate that you have Pamela up at eight on because that you know the the Skills to follow up on what you find in the news is that's a that's a skill set. You know that requires nowadays like technical savvy as well and So those three habits combined, but I would I would add a fourth which is that you have to be willing to kind of go against the grain sometimes it's like it's very common for an individual maybe to be in a family or community where they're sort of the only I don't know how to put it but maybe sci-fi type. Person, knew the truth and maybe their family their community says, why are you spending so much time looking this up and you know or or doing that work and a person has to sort be willing to go against the grain and not kind of just agree to the body of knowledge that their community is is proposing if they think that it is fundamentally laced with false information. And that one's particularly important an tough right now when we think about cove nineteen and the the variety of information that's going around about you know this pandemic don't you think? Yeah it's really hard it's It's such. An unknown part of the reason is that it's such an unknown even for scientists that Deniau divisions and so forth people who are expert that it sort of just because something when we say something is unknown in science, it doesn't mean that we're completely ignorant. About. You know the features of the virus and so forth. But that that can be perceived by people who are maybe on trained in that scientific terminology as you know, it's it's made up. Unknown Exist or it's you know so that that is very confusing. It's very difficult for people to look into the literature I mean you know we even know highly trained physicians who are you know having to find the time to actually catch up on scientific literature is not it's really not an easy thing to do, and there's different studies that are coming out all the time. Some of these are in different languages in different countries. How do you? Get access for an ordinary person. You know who you know maybe they have access to the Internet. Maybe they don't. You know like, how are they going to be able to really follow up and find out what is accurate and factional about covid nineteen and Melissa I want to keep on this thread but we're GonNa go to a short break. If you want to get in on this conversation, one, eight, hundred, nine, nine, six, two, four, eight. Santa Fe Indian market. One of the largest media events in the world is moving online this year because of the Cobra nineteen pandemic, we'll take some getting used to both for the artists and for those who enjoy mingling with hundreds of artists in person we'll check in on Indian market on the next native. America. Calling. Support by the Colorado Plateau Foundation, a native led philanthropic institution supporting native led organization's protecting water sacred places and endangered landscapes, preserving native languages and uplifting sustainable community based agriculture. The Colorado Plateau Foundation approaches grant making as an active participant helping build networks community and organizational capacity proposals for grants that support the communities and cultures of the plateau are due September third at Colorado, Plateau Foundation Dot Org. You're listening to native America Calling Monica. Brain, sitting in frontier game. Would we are talking about information and misinformation today? Have you ever shared an article that later you found out wasn't true or maybe one of your family members shared something and you thought that can't be right. Did you look it up? Where do you get your reliable information? WHAT SOURCES DO? You Trust want to hear from you. You are invited to our conversation today. Give us a call at one, eight, hundred, nine, nine, six, two, eight, four, eight. Murray said Duarte is with us. She's assistant professor of justice and Socio Technical Change at the School of social transformation at a State University and Merdeka before the break you were talking about Good. Habits for getting. Good Information and You know these these covid nineteen conspiracy theories that are circulating anything else you want to weigh in on with that. Yeah you know one of the things that's really challenging about the covid nineteen conspiracy theories are you know I? It really breaks my heart. You know watching how these take shape in Indian country and Latino communities, and African. American communities is really hard because these communities that are already you know you know suffering from the structural inequities of of health health infrastructure in this country and public health infrastructure, and so it's just it's particularly challenging and one of the you know It's sort of like you have a conspiracy theory linked onto existing lack of knowledge or understanding about how virus works you know and how public health works and it's just It's very challenging. I. You know one of the stories that I have heard in the last few months from a colleague of mine expressed frustration with sort of ceremonial group that she belongs to who have a great deal of faith and strengthen their their tribal traditions. But who were sort of believing that Sort of a fatalistic view that creator would provide for them or you know that as native, they were strong inherently strong, physically strong that they probably wouldn't be affected as much and that is a type of misinformation and I it. It's not necessarily disinformation that it wasn't the attempt of leadership of the group necessarily to you know cause people to become ill or anything like that. It was just sort of a combination of You know faith hope and also a great deal of ignorance and that is it's really sad. It's really really sad because this is not a common cold. You know it isn't even the flu it's much worse. Yeah Yeah. That's true. Let's take some calls. We've got Joe in Taus tuned in on K. U. N. M.. What do you wanNA share halo there. Thank you for taking my call. Yeah. Because sometimes we listen to different programs, different stations and want to say one thing and another let's say another. But the way it is it's a real virus. And deadly. So the way I see it, we can be part of the problem or part of the solution. So if we take care of ourselves and take care of our in our families by using the measures, then we can avoid it. So it's all up to us. We can be part of the problem or part of the solution because if You listen to the news late for example, I listen to CNN and then I listened to Fox and one I'll say one thing and the other one another but we got you see we've got gotta use Common Sense Common Sense. Yeah. All right. Joe Thank you. Let's let's go to Jerry she's near Oklahoma City tuned in on key C. N. P. Jerry I know doing good good. What do you thinking about? I'm disappointed in What The lady I didn't catch. Your name was saying and really disheartened number one I'm a Christian number two I'm a thinker number three. I'm not a follower and number four I research nonstop day in and day out. I listened her kind of put Poo Poo people's ideas of positive thinking praying to Lord. for help, we also have an innate immune system I've listened to thousands of doctors Klein. I turned my TV off months ago I usually get online to listen to them repeat the same rhetoric and it really doesn't matter which channel you turn to they. All are saying the same, but you immediately turn that off and you get online and you find people all across the United States all across the world. Saying, totally different things I've got five thousand on my personal page and almost ten thousand in my own group. And all of us spend thousands of hours. You know collectively researching day in and day out. Plenty of doctors are touting Hydra. A chloroquine as a wonderful drug six, five years Approved drug all the sudden. Pharmacists across the nation and doctors across the nation are no longer being allowed to prescribe it. Pharmacists are being told to not fill the prescription when it is saving lives, doctors, online, or telling thousands or hundreds of thousands at least have died that didn't need to because they were put on event. When they found real quick Vince weren't the answer. So Jerry, it sounds to me like you. Are doing what we're talking about here, which is researching information in your finding that what the mainstream is telling. You was not you do not believe it and I want to give Murray and opportunity to respond particularly you know when when it comes to matters of faith that is something that is deeply personal and deeply important to many of us many of our listeners and so Marissa. What are your? What is your response? Oh you know. I think you're really I. think that is right that that face is extremely important to the healing process and many physicians. Really you know recommend that their patients who are ill and their families take a matter of faith that is that they practice prayer and that they rely on prayer groups and especially for those who suffered long term debilitating illnesses because you know quite frankly when a person is in that much pain and their suffering, it's like you really need to. Believe, you know I mean, sometimes that's what Kinda gets you from one day to the next. So I, you know I. Don't mean to suggest that you know that we need to leave religion or spirituality or faith out of the picture I. Think those are really important on the path to healing and in Indian country really you know that has our faith in our ceremonial practices are belief systems have really helped us make it through some very challenging hardships you know in our families in our communities. Yeah. So yes, I. Yes I. You know I didn't mean to suggest otherwise and thank you appreciate the motorist and Jerry I just want to point out that from the Federal Drug Administration FDA cautions against the use of hide your chloroquine or chloroquine for Covid nineteen outside of a hospital setting or clinical trial the risk of heart rhythm problems and so I wanna I, WanNa throw that back I want to throw that to Howard because based on what Jerry shared with us it sounds to me like. You do your research and you hear sources like the FDA which cautioned against it. Then you hear sources that other sources that say, no, we're using it. It's happening It works really well and. How do you know which one to believe Howard? Well I. Think the first thing you do is slow down You know we are all now condition to make judgments very quickly on the Internet the blessing and curses. You can find opinions that will reinforce anything that you believe. So. The first question is to ask who is giving me this information or they authoritative Have they done studies second what's the evidence they present? What's the evidence? Not How do they feel or believe what they think but what evidence do they provide for me to make a decision and then third question very important is what other people say we've got a few doctors saying this what do other doctors say and what evidence did they provide to me? That would challenge those assumptions and the forcing, and this is hard for all of us is to question ourselves. Are we open our? We really appreciate. To inflammation that challenges our assumptions. We all wanted desperately believe especially now that they're on medications. That will help that there are tours that will help and that's good. But are we letting that blind us to what really is happening? So what's the evidence? So I would suggest that those are tough questions we all have to ask ourselves. and. The other thing I would say in general is that. Journalistic truth is provisional. Changes over time. And it means that you've gotta follow the news and you have to make judgments based on the latest available information. So if it drug is cited early in the process as being potentially helpful, but then two weeks later, there are a series of tests and those tests raise serious questions. You've got to be ready to adjust look what we've been told about masks wearing masks was not crucial. Now wearing a mask is crucial, it's not that that original information with necessarily misleading. It was that circumstances changes as as we get new facts. It's one reason we have to follow the news on a regular basis and not get turned off or get cynical and say I'm not GonNa follow the news all the same we're gonNA. Make poor decisions if we don't act on the latest available information. What is the line between healthy amount of distrust of? Let's say the government and analysis of information you're consuming, and then just straight down a rabbit hole of conspiracy theories Howard. I think there's a difference between being skeptical and cynical. So you know we're teaching those literacy tests, thousands of students. On on Long Island in New York City as early as fifth and sixth grade, and we want them to be skeptical we want to teach them how to interrogate and not consume. But we don't want them to be cynical. So they're cynical. They don't believe anything. They're distrustful of anything that's not what we want. So being skeptical means the coming and interrogator rather than a consumer and means basically interrogating information. WHO's giving it to me? What's the evidence? What do other people say and before I act on this information? Including before I. Share it. I WANNA be pretty confident. That the information is reliable. This is not easy. This is tough for everybody about sixty percent of Americans now believe it's harder than ever to separate misleading information from reliable information in part because there is some very reliable information and news and it's being delivered in this stu this stu of misinformation disinformation, social media, infotainment viral videos. Opinions. Opinions masquerading as fact based information. Self expression masquerading as journalism, and so you know. This is a big job for all of us. We're we're not born with this. We're not equipped to handle this, which is why I'm such a passionate believer that we've got to start teaching to every one of our kids starting at ten and eleven, and that's what has to happen I. Think if this is GonNa Change long term I agree Howard I want to throw this out there to our listeners are you skeptical or cynical or maybe a little both and where do you get your information? How do you know that you can trust it? Have you ever shared something that you realize later that was completely not true. It's fine. fess up give us a call. The number is one, eight, hundred, nine, nine, six, two, eight, four, eight. That's also one, eight, hundred, nine, nine, native. Morita is one of the things that. You talk about as well as mistakes of scope and scale, and I WANNA talk a little bit more about that because. For example, the example that I have in my mind this mistakes of scope and scale is I see a video of a raccoon and a dog and their best friends and they you know and they're hanging out and sleeping together in the same head and all of these things, and so then I am automatically think like I could get a pet raccoon and it would be best friends with my dog. Because I saw a video of it. Talked more about that. Right. Yeah. Exactly. Not I mean I think lots of us. Have Known of Plenty of raccoons and dogs that are not. You know and yeah, it's it's so but right. So we see this especially on social media you know or or it's Howard mention infotainment, right? So we see. We have one observation. And, we want to base our whole understanding of reality based on that one out survey, Shen. But you know in science this comes from the scientific method. You know we have to have many observations to get a clearer picture of reality you know, and so that is what we call a matter of scope right? So you know if you really wanted to know, gee, you know I have this really cute dog and I just think raccoons of the super. cutest. Is the how likely is it that they would be great. You know companions you would probably want to you know talk with different people ask you know veterinarians Who specialize in you know taming wild animals, domesticating wild animals and bringing them into the home. You know what is the likelihood based on their observation their experience because they've probably seen a lot more cases of interactions between dogs and raccoons right so that will broaden your scope of you know the sort of the view you're the number of observations and. Then, scale has to do with questions of circumstantial evidence overtime. You know. So let's say at you you know Dazs and raccoons, maybe the age at different paces and they mature at different rates and maybe there's a time when they're super cuddly and cute together not that dangerous with each other and then there's maybe when they get older a little bit grouchy. Very territorial we don't know these things right though sale is about also has to do with the time series that what you're looking at these observations you know and also other kinds of Evidence right that relate to longitude. So it's it's It's it's not. So that's the problem. Right when we get these like one snapshot thing, you know kind of pieces of information. BITs. we're not getting an accurate sense of scope and scale. So with Kobe nineteen stuff, it's like you know we see these studies that indicate you know in this country at this time covid effective this population of school children or something like that right. But a scientists would look at that and say, Oh, well, this study only measures three hundred kids you know and here we. Are Looking at public schools in the US, and we're talking about five thousand kids, two thousand kids, larger numbers of kids. So this is again scope and scale by. So those are those are some of the considerations we need to think of when we consume these, you know very attractive bites of information through social media or something like that. You know what is the context of their existence? Yeah and then. What, how do you go about like for example, just reading the study. So you look at the study you're like Oh. This only has ten people in it or something like that But then also you know you might need to go and check other information check other sources see if. One of the things I'll do with the study is I'll look and see if there's been any reporting on it, and if there hasn't been than that kind of flies, a little warning flag for me like Oh, this is so new that. You know we need some reporters to check into this and to see what the information is behind it. That's our conversation today. We would love to have you join us and give us a call and tell us you know what how do you get your information? How do you know what you're getting is true and what do you think about all these cove nineteen conspiracy theories when eight, hundred, nine, six, two, eight, four, eight Support by Amarin Indian countries. 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And PA- meal I want to give you a moment to talk about you know what Howard emphasized about teaching young people this about. Getting to the the kids when they're ten and eleven, you have kids. What are you talk to your kids about about you know like checking their information and making sure that what they are consuming is true. Yeah I mean really in the end, our students are getting access to devices and information. From even before the fifth grade, but I think the average age of like a kid it used to be and I don't have a check that the latest state of it is about like a fifth grader, right so that's what gets a phone and so if they're accessing information than they need to know how to properly conduct research, how to know what's true not true were living in a different time in society where it's changing very fast and there's a lot of information and so it's hard to like get your. Bearings and it's not just our job as parents, but it's also educators need to become media and media-literate. You know and news literate and to be able to understand how to quickly function in this society with with the amount of information that we're having sift through to figure out what what's a fact and what's an opinion at the most basic level right you start figuring out what's true and what's not true and so with my kids and I have a child going into sixth grade in the child entering. High. School. And so we. Were very media-literate. Here are discussions around the table are of media literacy discussion how how does that take form? So for instance, this morning my daughter had done this book and it was a bunch of map. And it was maps around the world of stereotypes and maps about like aliens in like did all this different stuff? And so we were looking at the maps and we're looking at one specific map and we realized like because our bias like I'm from South America I'm from Bolivia, and so we wanted to believe that what they were saying about my country by route we're was actually true and so it was like Oh. Yeah. That's totally true. Right and so we have this discussion and then eventually back up and say, well, actually I wonder where they how they form this map and where they got the information from and like you know like what how it was it was somewhat scientifically based, and so it needed to have come from some. Some some kind of source or a series of sources that needed to verify the science behind the map. They were like it was just a book of math and so it was hard to figure it out. We went to Wikipedia, and then we try to figure out like is this true or not true what kind of you know what what they did and didn't do to get to you know to to to figure out whether this specific matter was true or not true, and so it is. Time consuming and it's a process, but it's a process that not only is a life skill, but it's a it's like a survival skill, a necessary skill to live and to function in this world we're no longer living in the seventies. We're no longer in the fifties like we're in twenty twenty. This is the world in which we live at is filled with our opinions and information and social media. You know my daughter has a phone and she has in her news feed. She gets like Apple News or what you know. So it's her phone and she gets all this news and she's spewing off all kinds of news and so we do that like wait a minute wait a minute. Let's slow down. Let's figure out like you know what what of this is actually true. So we always go the source and you know I think what's interesting is that What's the doctor that said it? Right, it just because of doctor said something if we're talking about something scientific like the corona virus. Are. The doctor of philosophy they have a doctorate in like you know what I mean like, right? What kind of doctor is this like? Is this a like a general md they like? Are they a doctor? What are their car proctor? Right, and then they're. Narrow saying doctor so and so said this well, you we you know we have to really in the end. It's sat part of light, bring it up altogether where it's like, what's the evidence? What others say right and? The idea of skepticism which is really an interrogation which is really just asking questions and asking the right question right like like a question like if If. This doctor you know like an actual medical doctor saying they have a cure for covid nineteen. Why aren't other medical doctors saying that as well why isn't the CDC saying why isn't the Food and Drug Administration saying it and those are the kinds of like interrogating questions that I think can be so important particularly when you're talking with young people but also Kind of you know, take away the fun of things as well. if you're always asking those questions you. Can't I just enjoy video do is it really necessary that I have to question everything? Do your kids ever familiar? Do they ever get I don't know like media fatigue. Media literacy fatigue. Well maybe. So you know at our in our home because I'm always we're constantly deconstructing so they'll be like, no, not now not now. In Georgia but. You know I can't let it go. You know there are certain things that like. Like, did that bother you you know or how does that make you feel or you know like we? We do that sometimes I mean, it depends it depends on what is happening right? It depends on what were interacting with and what type of information if we're discussing the corona virus or something as complex as that is very complex like we we need a lot of minds to have conversations. You know to figure out what's actually true. Where did you know where did your friend share that being about that thing and then let's figure out you know. So there's a time and place I get that like if they're watching a movie you have to suspend. Like. And what's happening in a movie? We're not gonNA like fully. There and my kids are pretty skeptical but like it's it's a learned skill you know and it's and that's and it takes practice and we have to constantly do it, and in the end, it's our responsibility to live a citizens you know in this digital world which affects our non digital world. So and I think that's part of it because everybody's spewing different facts and different information and what it comes down to is really. Again, going back to that slowing down but also what is our responsibility and really this should be not just part of. I should be instilled into every every classroom even before I would say, even if you're not talking about news like say fifth grade but you know, I know my my one of my kids was in third grade, it had to do a research project. You have to if you're going to research about flowers used in the medical like blend July is what my son was researching for third grade. He was assigned that flower to research, but it was all these like health properties. Colangelo. So now we're talking about like who says that the property like you know like yeah, I mean it's all about critical thinking skills and whether or not we are sharpening the critical thinking skills building on them with teaching our kids I, WanNa, squeeze in a call we've got. In, Cheyenne River on the shine river reservation in south. Dakota tuned in on Kfi Pi. Hey, the rea-. Thanks for holding. What do you want to share about this? Can you hear me? Yeah. Go ahead. Okay. So what I was thinking is that when we have car. facebook and social media is a lot of times when I get something that's Florida's through the Messenger part of facebook. It seems like those things don't seem to be true they're they're usually later I find out that I shared something that wasn't true. So you know I kind of feel stupid for for having shared it. So then I stopped doing that And then one of the things. That I did find in on facebook is that many times some of my friends who have a doctorate or master's or should know better They usually will share something that is not. that is that is true. So I kind of rely heavily on that as well as my own critical thinking skills as well as this true I didn't even see this on the news and is this something brand new and look at the new stores and listened to see his something that is like seeing that or or if. Somebody's actual opinion so. I mean that that plays into lot of what I share and reshare. I try to share good information because there's some people who follow me on facebook friends who, who will be share what I share and but but I think that it all comes down to. Really actually thinking about it and knowing what you're reading and if if you're actually paying attention to current events. I think that Some of the kids nowadays, they'll reassure things because they their friends do and many times. They are not true and and I hate to say that. But you know we end up doing that just because. In facebook or even twitter or any of those social media sites, many times those. Site when people should the social media so You know it's their friends sharing things returing and It might be the mind thought or people getting caught up and things or you know old this must be true. Because don't shit. I shared right I wanNA take that is such a good point. I WanNa talk about that because if you look at like owes so many people shared this so it must be true the that has to do with Algorithms and Maurice I know this is something that you look into and so would you wanNA share about that about the you know the just because so many people shared it maybe it has validity. Yes. Thank you for bringing that up. It also speaks to a concept that you know. That Howard brought up earlier, which has to do with the concept of the viral video. You know. So you know facebook and all of the social media platforms away they gained revenue it's through the circulation of content and and how that allows them to. You know if you like something or if you hearts something whatever you're you're you're you're you're platform allows you to do. It says something about your preferences and the social media companies they, collect your preferences and put them into these sort of profiles, these personas that allow them to then. I- Dems to and sadly, in the two thousand, sixteen election, it wasn't just you know products that they were marketing. It was also ad campaigns. You know how you were more or less likely to vote you know and you know, and so anyways, those the way that they do that the way that they sort of compile these personalized customizable profiles for marketers is through the use of Algorithms, and so they essentially have algorithms that categorize that speak to. You know the kind of sub communities that we are part of through our social media platforms So what that means is that certain types of content are more likely to circulate amongst you and your friends if you all, you know your. Friends I mean your social media followers and the people who follow if you all tend to share a similar. Sort of political persuasion consumer lifestyle you know maybe you're in a similar demographic age range or or race gender group for something like that region geographic region also influences that. So what that means is that some of the Content that we might be seeing through our social media profiles. It really is Kinda like were in an echo chamber where seeing content that is. Legible to us you know and if anybody has you know If you've had the experience of suddenly plugging into a group of friends or networks that are maybe in another country who speak a different language or something like that you may experience you know suddenly that there's a different type of content flowing into your space if you're in begun begin to be plugged into that different, very different cultural group. So, yeah. So and you and you would recommend that right like like spread it out, follow some different things because that. Will make variety in what you're seeing your feet right. and. So theoretically that works. We, actually don't know you know. So I just want to you know put a plug for the work of Ramazani Boston he's a researcher at UCLA talks about information bubbles and that. In this new sort of digital era of democracy that we really need to pop out of our information bubbles and you know try to. Forge networks with groups you know our cultural areas or you know news sources are very different from the ones that we normally are accustomed to. But yes but you know. So that might be best in theory than in practice because we actually don't know how these algorithms function you know and so that's part of the concerns with the power that the social media giant's the tech giant's have is that they do not reveal the secret sauce. create you know and push content to different sets of users. has it bridges on privacy concerns you know it has to do with issues of free expression in democracy, and it has to do with the social media giant's how they position themselves. Are they really in the media sharing industry? How much are they involved in journalism and how much are they just selling our data profiles to generate ad revenue? So so those are those are definitely Issues we need to sort of I i. I think that we need to really sort of take up through legislation but. That's just an extraordinarily hard thing to do in this particular climate where. Having. It just feels like we're awash in this information and disinformation. Well. Unfortunately, we're at the end of the hour. I could talk about this for days four days the. Thank you so much so much to our guest today Dr Murray said Duarte Pamela Pereira and Howard Schneider. We've got links to all of them on our website native America calling dot com. We're back tomorrow with a conversation about the giant event that is Santa Fe Indian market, which is going entirely online this year we'll see you tomorrow. Smoking gave me COPD which makes it harder and harder for me to. Have a tip for you. If your doctor gives you five years to live, spend it talking with your grandchildren explained to them. Now you're. 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