Truth & Movies #142 - Ruffalos chemical reaction plus a lesbian love story

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Today on truth and movies Mark Ruffalo shines the spotlight on a chemical cover up in dark waters. You WanNa take everything that you know and turn it against an iconic. American company like an informant. Isn't that right? Isn't that right? Isn't that right yes? Selene paints a feminist picture with portrait of a lady on fire and in film club. Julianne Moore Is Allergic to the twentieth century. In taught Hanes is safe. It's in the air in the water in our homes. Coming up in truth and movies with white lies podcast. Hello there may be truth is it's Mike Alita hair sitting in the host chairs usual sitting across this week from Return Guest Anna Book at Sky. We'll come back and a newcomer this week. We have clamoring healy. Claire I ki- please tell our listeners. Here on what you do and I had a dazed and confused magazine and I write about movies and I profile actors and I love the Picasso Much Pleasure to have you on board. We should kickoff. We've got some big films talk about this week. We're going to start off with todd. Haynes and Mark Ruffalo in dark waters inspired by shocking. True story at tenacious attorney and covers the dark secrets that connects a growing number of unexplained deaths due to one of the world's largest corporations in the process risks. Everything his future his family and his own life to expose the truth at Dupont. Better living through chemistry it's our DNA. Need to tell me what the. Hell's going on do pot is knowingly poisoning seventy thousand local residents for the last two years new still. He did nothing he want to flush your career down the toilet per some cowhand. You WanNa take everything that you know and turn it against an iconic. American company like an informant. Isn't that right isn't that right. Isn't that right. Yes and that was a clip from dark waters. The new film from Todd Haynes to some people hanes Quebec name on it. But this isn't really really what you would expect from him is it. I mean it's almost difficult to describe. One would expect from Todd Haynes because he's so he's such a fantastic filmmaker in his range of work in the stuff that he's done before is so variable. You come almost. Don't want to set your expectations too high. But there is a certain flavor to the sort of work that he's made before and a paperwork. Political courtroom drama thriller is not what I would have expected him to sign onto at the same time. That odd combination is kind of appealing to see no. I was really curious to see what a really visual narrative. Filmmaker Todd Haynes would bring to traditionally kind of quote a worthy gloomy genre and not much So we were just laughing the synopsis that you just read out made it sound a lot more exciting than the film actually is and that's kind of. It's a kind of inaccurate description. A huge story I myself had not. I have not read the profile that inspired the film. I do have a a a very strong love for the courtroom Legal Dramas. I level the yelling. I love all of that. Come out of fighting for a cause and for you know fighting for the truth and sacrificing your Your Livelihood Your Sanity Your Career for worthy causes and kind of having the tools to fight the powers that be and fight for the for the little man in air quotes here. That's essentially what Mark Ruffalo character. Which is very much based on on a real life lawyer who spent over twenty years fighting and litigating against a huge Huge Corporation for trying to expose the systematic abuse of power. That they've been perpetrating of Contaminating the water supplies of not just one town which makes it very personal story. But kind of the large scale of fact and the the lack of accountability that were held to so it's seeped in corporate politics and it seemed to big business politics and kind of corporate. America has a lot to say about that does not make it unnecessarily exciting film to see on the screen probably not completely depends on how much you invested in that sort of genre the sorts of the let him speak Genre where. Mark Ruffalo is trying to convince people in the room to be on his side and someone in authority usually Tim Robbins. Who's the head of his look? No no no let's peak. I Love I love that name for the sub genre but also is it always microphone. I don't think I've ever seen have I ever seen these the Zodiac? So I think that's the best way to think about this film is it is Mark Ruffalo. Who's producing this? His his follow up to spotlight which he plays a similar role in this one. He is not Ruffalo. He's not Hoke Ruffalo. He is this. You know quite quiets anxious guy who's always been a companyman realizing that he's going to go against his law firm who usually represent these chemical companies to fight for the little man and come into his own as as a real American hero. And I think if you like the twists and turns of Quanta talk you say courtroom dramas mainly boardroom drama for most of it on courtroom scenes later over the report. Actually which was another. Quite we send to the paperwork thriller where just the vast -ness of the the conspiracy which makes it sounds really exciting when it kind of is the kind of the corporate conspiracy world the large and almost untameable scale of it makes it so daunting and then the perseverance of the lead character in the case of the report. It some I forget the actual persons name but Adam drivers character and in this case. Mark Ruffalo in there too nasty to keep going and keep digging kind of really it. It taps into that aspirational story of David Versus Goliath of the little man versus a huge Undefeatable giant and he writes nasties over decades the sewing times. There is the weight of the paperwork. The fact that you'd have to serve a tens of thousands of people in a town to get any sort of medical records or medical proof and then Phi each case individually so it is about that going and doing the work and being tenacious while doing it. We're making it sound quite plotting hair. Klay what did you make for after quarters? I also haven't read the original profile and I think the neo time story and oversee at the beginning of the movie very proud kind of states. This is really on this New York Times story and I think having not read it you know what was happening and the discoveries that Mark Roe Flus characters making. I'm also discovering so I did have moments where I was quite gripped in terms of the kind of level of deception is going on however I think it's also a taste thing like I don't think I am big on these sort of paperwork. Thrillers Generally And I kind of thing. Where how exciting can you make? Mark Ruffalo like looking through papers and it's taught. Hanes you kind of think. Maybe he could do a little bit more with that. Because you know like the movie will discuss later relates in a way and that kind of seems to go a little bit further in terms of experimentation and this is like I think the first film the taints developing properly with the studio kind of all the way through Maybe that kind of has an effect but it did feel it points like maybe he's trying to pick out parts of the original story and like make or not to something a little bit more with them you know so like the relationship with his wife and how she's kind of giving up on being a lawyer herself and raising the kids and it's kind of like if you're going to make that point about women in the workplace maybe go further. I feel like he's trying to kind of magnify. Small parts of the story The originally But then he has to be quite wedded to the facts so I feel like maybe the tension that which is kind of productive. When you're watching the one thing I would highlight. Maybe I'm looking for Hanes Ian flourishes where if it was anyone else's name on the on the film I wouldn't be but there is at at Lachman to show shoes. Many paints films shot this film cinematographer and does have this very queasy. Blue Color Palettes. All the way through like the world will look. Nazis is sick and diseased this relates to say which we talk about late say which takes a much more metaphorical ambiguous. Look at this rather than this film where we find out that literally there is poisoning the water of America. And and it's that's quite interesting and there are these slight flourishes and wanted to. Maybe you respond to this where it almost looks like. It's a real world horror film whether there are flashes where we were there are whole cattles cow dying and we see the actual body horror of and lodged hearts blackened teeth and bones and flashes in reflows minds of children having blackened teeth with this waters literally one or two moments across the two hour long film. You could see what could have happened. Maybe if there's a more stylish drive behind this project I completely agree with your point about the cinematography. That's actually it's been criticized about the film the fact that it's I think because of the expectations that we have of Todd Haynes picture but it's not flashy it's very subdued in its color Palette. It does feel like you say almost contaminated like it's murky waters like you're watching the film through this veneer of disease pollution in many ways that makes complete sense with sort of story that he's telling an also the not to get to a metaphorical but kind of this log and the that the character has to go through through over twenty years of just carrying the weight of the responsibility in this contamination that he takes upon himself to try to combat on other people's behalf he had no dog in his fight in in this fight and he got got himself involved and got so going to Put so much responsibility on his own shoulders. Then he has to slog through thing and you really feel the weight of that throughout the film and the cinematography is quite oppressive. The framing of Morphou ruffles characters while just constantly being surrounded by this piles of information being yelled at by people being constant disappointment to the point where he starts breaking down physically through just a sheer weight of the stress. And the responsibility of this But the the horrific elements it. I thought were quite subdued. I think a lesser less contained director would have emphasized that a bit more gone really flashy really gory with like look at look a woolworths. Putting in our bodies look at how you know quote unquote deformed. We're going to end up being because of corporate greed in corporate America. I don't think that's ultimately what taught. Hanes is trying to do those flashes. There are there to illustrate. I think the humane repercussions of what actually happens to the livelihood of the farmer who's who's animals and his pets and his family and himself are diseased as a result of this the fact that he's kept those horrific mementos off at as a form of proof nod as a way to showcase the horrors but just to keep a record of them. Because nobody else would and you know the picture. There's a picture that mark ruffalo character. Keep springing up off Of A baby that's been born with Birth defects as a cause as a result of his mother. Being on this line off Teflon production of this of this company Dupont and he brings it up but very choice moments in this image. Haunts him in a sense. But I don't think it haunts them because it's meant to be horrifying or body horror. I think it haunts because it's a it's an innocent baby A new life. That's been from the very beginning polluted because of a faceless nameless company who CEO and staffing and can a senior management and all the high powered exacts who mark Brussels characters really Pauley with at the beginning of the film. Keep changing but he keeps. I found a one of the moving bits about the films that keeps to this image of this baby bucky Because it just keeps reminding him of the human costs of something quite large faceless that can defend and camouflage itself by the sheer fact of being too big to grapple with. You can't really put a face or name to pond. The executives will always change every couple of years. But you can't put a face and a name to the baby bucky and the effects that that would have had on his family and on his own life and that kind of keeps them attached to a reason to continue finding a way not to sound too melodramatic but considering that one of Todd Haynes is strengthened some of his more flashier and glorious films were really inspired and in some ways throw bogs or reimagining of classical Hollywood mal. Dramas I think those are those kind of humane elements that lift up. What could be perceived as quite a drab Dark Muddy courtroom drama And something very inexpensive about this film for me is that as with many true life dramas is going to be a moment at the end where they show the real people who inspired the story. And I'm not GonNa say this is this is I guess a spoiler but it shows that been threaded through the entire film as Cameos that you didn't realize because it can end at least know small-scale on something like a happy note because he did win on behalf of these the local population it can end on this note of triumphant. Have Roll Call of the of the of the heroes of the piece which including bucky young? He's now A man and a grown man. Really interesting after. We've seen the ritual type films coming out. Wealth and bombshell where the final strains of these real life dramas are often black and white photographs or Or slabs of texts that are meant to really hammer home the message. Let's put some scores on this Clara. Come to you. First as it's your first time let me run through. The scores are here so that we have three schools on this podcast like with the magazine. We have in anticipation. Enjoyments and in retrospect in anticipation. I I do love. You know. Many of Todd Haynes films but I could kind of see that this was one of those kind of thoughts based films that may be also into so maybe three Watching it three. I didn't Hate a tool but you know it was kind of in the middle. And in retrospect it's three hole threes arteries Anna I'm GonNa say my expectations were quite low because It did not look to be a traditional terrains. Picture so it's expectation would be to Enjoyment three because I do. I do enjoy a courtroom drama. I do enjoy Mark Ruffalo. I do enjoy taught hanes. All of those things are good. Didn't necessarily grip me a lot. and in retrospect actually four. 'cause even as we're speaking Even though I wasn't was on making that much of it at the time I think there's a lot more to pick out from the film Once you start thinking and talking about it I'll say three four four. The taught hanes has made some fantastic films. We'll talk about one of them later on in this podcast but wonder struck. His previous film was again. I'd unlikely project for him so I wasn't sure what to expect from this. But it's very watchable film then again. I'm a fan of this sort of genre and I think that This is a pretty good entry into that. After some of the films we've had over Aussies failed Oscar Bait films at the last six months. This is one of the better ones and I will shout out. It's more of a an a a feature cameo rarely bill pullman as the local lawyer hurriedly turns up with ridiculous accents and much more flamboyant performance in anyone else's giving in the film. I love the pullman in this is going up to eleven this film. It's like. He met a completely different script really excited his dark waters in cinemas. This week up next. We have a an award winner from can last year portrait of a lady on fire in eighteenth century. France a painter is commissioned by Countess to paint the wedding portrait a sheltered but headstrong daughter while posing as a hired companion. She's instructed to complete the portrait secrets observing a subject by day painting by nights. However as the two women grow closer the intimacy an attraction begins to blossom paving the way for a simmering star crossed. Romance Cool how a suitably simmering clip the trailer for portrait of a lady on fire so clear. This film was one of the films that we've talked about most from can last year. What did you come to see it? And what you make of it. I watched it because I actually interviewed knowing me fairly recently and it felt like for about a year before that everyone was saying. Oh have you seen portraying you would love it? You know you have to see it Isolating speak the BEF. I even well before this. This movie Whether audience members will insisting on spoiling it often had seen it and so yeah and now I've watched it a few times and I just love love. Love it right. So what was it like talking to him about the film? Great Great She very interesting. Actually I think you know when these you know. She's a French actress who's had really has built up quite long career in film and theater. And you know it's when they get their introduction to like an international stage and you're like who is this person actually they've been doing stuff for a while and so I haven't seen any of their other films but she told me she's actually directed a feature. Yeah I think she said something about pirates. I might be wrong but she was great and I think performance is. The new thing is true. What you say for many fans of slams or people who are familiar with it. You're not Maloney's the newcomer in this film because Sling Samarinda del. Al Of worked many times together and you have a history. Yamaji see any talk about films from to queer filmmakers who going off in different directions stylistically. This SAM's first film that's not set in Contemporary Eh contemporary period. But you see a link between her previous films in this one For sure I think the main link and there's a there's a really wonderful interview with Selena in the garden. I think what you're going to talk about her intentions behind the film and I think the thread that you can see throughout her previous work is the focus on a female perspective on everything on Life On love and lust companionship and friendship on art on looking One of an you know not to sound to US attack but she is so concerned with giving her characters and not you know she's also got a fantastic film about kind of a non binary character Of giving her characters the ability to look and to make up their gays and their take on the world and they experience it. And I don't know I don't think I have. The words articulate. Exactly how she does it but she makes you feel really in this really feel like you're in the skin of these characters you looking through there is even when you're looking at them. It's sort of fantastical is the way that she plays with mood. With the framing with the cat with her casting choices with the sort of actors and actresses she uses how she directs them an her dress to audience. And they're all very well. Her films are very hers. You can notice them if you've seen if you've seen him for previous work even if you have in mind should auction to work must admit it. I'd seen I think toy before but it was really girlhood and how that exploded in the conversation and that you know inspires you to go back and revisit her previous work and this film film. I remember just actually skip the queue and getting into the first screening over in Cannes. Where the second one and just being blown away and part of it was because I knew who she was but I had zero expectations so it was just being allowed to be in the world and that's one of her powers as a filmmaker. Whatever the the context of the story is it kind of doesn't really matter because she has the ability to really make you empathize and connect. With whatever character she's choosing to portray and when you take a step back and you look at her career and the way that she's talked about it as well it sort of really powered by empathy by this really sincere empathy and love for her characters and how she portrays them. It's never beatty. It's never dismissive It's just incredibly sincere without being cheesier melodramatic and that's A. That's a very strange and unusual balance for filmmaker Lacrosse to strike. Which is I think might be one of the reasons. We're portrait of a lady on fire. Just pardon the PUN caught on fire after cannon all this conversation that was going on For Year after the film's Premiere the festival. But people just being really buzzy about an really lighting up when they when they talked about it because it just made you feel it made you re experience the the feeling of falling in love you see. That's what I find so skillful about her work in this film in particular. Is that at the same time as it being. So skillful in terms of emotional charge emotional subtlety all the way through. It's also intellectual in the way that it is looking at the gaze of the painter the subject and the object that the two way. Art Looking both interrelationship B. That's a creative one or romantic one. So the fact that she can create what is a lesbian romance with also at the same time craft what his manifesto about female perspectives. You know it's it's quite dizzying and that's something that is part of that conversation. It's been going on so glad that all these levels of his film's work and gone through particular. That's tricky. I or did you take it in wholesale. I think you know you go into it. And they're certain expectations you might have of a period drama right oversea. It's being billed as a as a quick story too but there are certain structures and conventions around that I guess I love a good period drama absolutely but I think what the level that it struck me ask was how unusual is to be transported to that time and feel so close and certain intimate with the characters and this relationship. It's hard you know different periods like this normally does that can be this kind of distancing effect or you're very used to seeing onate environments and it's more about taking the whole but it's this point as you say about empathy and you feel like you really in in the rim. This comes through different things and I think it's all about selene technique and you know she is apparently so specific with hus gripping so full Adele and know amy. It's really you know. They have to take three and a half breaths before they glance at each all. You know two steps forward and one step back and this in combination with this kind of feeling of silence that you have in this environment when they're in this house in Brittany only sometimes punctuated by a couple of musical moments Which then register so emotionally. Because they're D- You're waiting for them. Almost and of course like the crushing of the ways when the when the about on the beach but that implementation with this kind of ferries this like specificity to how she instructing the actresses. I think really brings you in a way to the restrictions of that time you really feel. I think this feeling of being not trapped but you'll really You really feel like you'll there and you feel like this this sense that they can't express how they feel and I think it really is so powerful then when the romance starts to blossom and you feel sort of free it as well You really that kind of move into them. Being natural with each other suddenly And the actresses or finding their freedom then within this the script you saw breathed a sigh of relief as well and I think that's kind of eating up to this moment where you know it's not just Marianne Louise's but there's also a housekeeper. I suppose like a seven who walks that. Who's a young woman as well and then you lead up to this moment where they're kind of alone in the house and you know there's really no men in this foam those those A man who kind of drops her off at the beginning. And there's a man who picked something off at the end and you don't really see this you know it's it's really. It's really special to have that feeling of just women together and what women do when they really alone in a time where they sort of rarely get to be another. They rarely get to be but we don't often see this right because period dramas only mean very months and they normally meet romance between a man and the woman so I think altogether it kind of registered for me as such kind of intimate experience. Which normally you know. It's very hard to achieve new. It's funny talking about the specificity of the payer the specificity of the locations facebook while we're talking about this the pressures on these women of Contemporary Universal. While we're about this we talk more taught hanes again. That's very similar to his phone. Carol Nineteen Fifties America that this the sense of who they are in the outside world versus the intimate spaces. These women can create themselves indoors away from the prying eyes of the Patriarchy is comparison. You could see between those two films would work a double bill. Maybe God yes Devastating Bell now. I think I loved what you just said about Will women are really like when the re the alone and you're absolutely right Michael. Kind of the non-necessary. It's on the so. The focus of those films both in Carol and in a portrait of a lady on fire. But it's always there you know what's an inherent part of the female experience even more so in a period setting that the weight of the expectations of what's expected of them and I think we see that in particular with Miranda Hill Louise because you know oh your lady quote unquote here. You know you are expected to marry while you're expected to behavior expected to pose and be looked at your expected to be quiet. You not expected to behave in this way or feel these things or look like this so I think the way that Sama also taps into the sort of the the statute of limitations almost on these characters being allowed to be free or the conditions that they're surrounded by just from the sheer fact that they're born female the they're born in one social strata or another Of what they need to perform in order to be allowed to exist and I think those pressures but then also become so stark in comparison to the freedom and the intimacy that they find with each other and you can apply that to. I think almost universally to almost any experience in the expectations. That your parents or your work or whatever have a view and what are those moments and who are those people with whom you feel truly yourself and. I think it's worth saying that obviously scenes kind of looked a few times at moments lessons and coming of age Water Lilies go and so on and it did strike me watching how even though you might not expect hurts then move onto a period drama armor in this time you know in in in this era. They all still goals. And there's this sense where you know they don't really get to be free to grow up and you know adults character is going to be kind of pasta from parents straight to her husband and she has hasn't heard an orchestra before and she hasn't you know there's this kind of restriction it's interesting she's sort of a baby in the world and I thought it was interesting that Selena had looked at those moments before in a contemporary setting and how it seemed to relate to what she's doing with poetry in a way that's a really good point I think. Actually you should watch all the films in one weekend and during that would be a brilliant way to spend a weekend made about film yet and at throw in my life as a coach at the animated film she wrote screenplay for. Scrapie for that. Jim Realize that's I'll ask a scores on portrait where they don't fire in a second but for now let's give the last word to Salinas Yama herself. His clip from Adam had a word with very recently. He's not just as our female desire. And it's and it's through this female game yes and it's about mutual gaze and it's about not objectify women which isn't that hard to actually propose gays when it is. I'm not coaching for hours. Thinking about how am I not GonNa objectified women? Gays creates this idea of the new way of telling stories. You know it's not about counter gays. It's about not about not doing like them. It's about you have to invent something special because does not history of it so we you know may maybe there'll be plenty plenty of examples and good examples. That won't even be examples anymore. We will see the link. We'll see the corpus of that But so far it's about inventing something and for this film it was also a it was a lot about Crafting love story. We'd equality so that was plots and so get rid of the year old nations that create this this type of fiction all the old conflicts to create surprise. Because you know if if they're not if dad loved dialogue isn't committed to gender domination Social domination or intellectual domination then anything can happen and I think that's part of the tension that puts the viewer into its that it's surprising slims down with that being incredibly cool. I think we can all agree. Let's put some scores on Puerto relating on fire. Then cl t first anticipation as you say. Sending SAM is very cool and movies are great so I guess anticipations fall Watching it to be honest I five and it was so so beautiful to watch also and I felt so in that world that I just don't experience that that often when I really think about it I'm respectively four. I'M GONNA send dissipation three only because I didn't know why was going on that day in Kanpur K. I got confused in Q. I ended up with us in. 'cause I skip the Queue Tarantino. What it was going into it worked for the schedule was right. There I ended up. Just waltzing into the screening. We're encountering this incredible films. I'M GONNA see three Just because of the very particular set of circumstances I found myself in Enjoyment FIVE. And in retrospect five as. Well it's glorious Not to repeat everything. Claire was saying but agree. That complete pages takes you win and absorbs ear entirely and I left the cinema just feeling elated and in love the kind of with cinema with those characters with selene. Ziama with the power that images can can have over us and it's and it's very rare to have that feeling coming out and to have that feeling endure after months of after seeing in I think I'd give this gosh. I very rarely give fives. But maybe I'll give this a five four five because this is a I I. I love films. I think what leases and Tomboy both classics. I didn't love. Go ahead as much as the people. But Gosh. She's one of the great grace waking filmmakers today and only a four because I was very sleepy when I saw this can. It's very restrained piece of filmmaking. Don't see this without maybe a coffee beforehand because it really really bills. And once it pops off it's absolute classic and it's a film. The only grows when you talk about it and think about it further so that sounds like quite a strong recommendation from the table this week for portrait of a lady on fire up next though we're going back to Todd Haynes his nineteen ninety five films safe now back Todd Haynes the safe his second feature and first collaboration with Julianne Moore Safe Tells The story of Los Angeles Wife and mother who's comfortable existence falls apart when she learns that she like thousands of other primarily. Suburban women has become environmentally. Ill will still have this thing. It's in the air in the water. In our homes it cannot be seen cannot be heard cannot be stopped we can turn it on and off switch. Just don't know how to make it go away. I love nineties. Trailers is an amazing voice over the does not really sell the film as it is at all right so I'll come see I Had you seen before I watch for you? Do you have any before I must admit I'd seen in years ago when I was in in unit one of my. I Uni published saw it at a V eight on a VHS in a library in central Martin somewhere. And I kinda think that's a really good way to watch safe for the first time by hadn't we visited sentence. I must admit so we watching it. Now I loved as a double bill with dark waters because they sort of touch on some similar themes kind of the pollution of Dernie and how greed and can affect stabbed you know capitalist society can contaminate our souls. You know if you want to really highbrow about it but it's really it doesn't feel of its time feels very timeless you know. It's spoke to me quite loudly watching it now and always says the first collaboration between Julia. Murray Todd Haynes they've worked together number of time sense and I think it was one of the films of really put him on the map in many ways I think it was. One of his first breakout hits. I'm not quite sure I was first time working with his longtime producer Christine Vashon of pillar films who is also behind dark waters. They still work together. And it just sorta taps into this Malays and this suffocation of living a life and not loving it nominee enjoying it but not really being able to pinpoint why this whole kind of environmentally. Ill thing it's kind of Hokey but it makes sense because they lead characters distress is is very real. You know it's palpable. It's not to be laughed at dismissed. Because she's a suburban well-off housewife. Or as she says homemaker she even doesn't really know how to define herself but she goes through live kind of an autopilot and suddenly this whole film. I think about that about that sudden point where you realize that you don't really know why you're living the life you're living or whether you're living it. Because he chose an or because you just went with what people told you is the right way of living and again. It's a feeling that I think. Almost everybody can empathize with this pretext that he uses to illustrate a make visible her internal struggles is is so potent but I think maybe even more now than it was in nineteen ninety-five. It's a film. That's eight from remarkably. Well it really has and what strikes me watching this film now after dark. Watts is is that he's succeeding. This very complicated. Balancing Act where it's satirizing American Culture American suburban excess and privilege whilst the same time having empathy towards this the female lead of her own melodrama. And that's something that may be is missing from his later films as something like dog waters that may be querying. The narrative is to to to appropriate turnquest cinema theory. But it's very interesting. I imagined that white hat quite mixed reviews at the time because they wanted it to be one thing or the other. Is it a paranoid slightly Lynch Ian Suburban Horror About As as the trailer says a disease you can't see or is it like fall from heaven would become this modern day. Melodrama really wanting to empathize with a suburban housewife and watching out still isn't really fall into those categories. There is an ambiguity wearing all the way through which I think is so compelling. Klay what you make us safe. I love say I I actually saw it recently. screening in London and it was so interesting to be with an audience. Who totally didn't seem like they had seen the same movie. And there was a discussion afterwards with these two men on stage and they were saying. Oh Gosh she so whiny and she's not even say you know what's her problem a mantle my female friends we completely disagreed of course and To me this character is so relatable you know and it's so relevant now in various ways You know anyone who's like making my way through London in the winter and has a terrible cold or you know you. You really kind of relate to this and there is an amazing scene where she's in the car driving and she's just coughing and coughing and coughing. And you know. I've never seen something like this before. It's incredible and you know and the bigger picture. It just feels like a movie that could be made now because the ideas of contagion and fake news. And you know these kind of globalized mass panics. And you know with current a virus or the climate crisis or not to be too doom and gloom but this is really a movie that speaks to those issues and our lives now and also. I think there's something to be said for the scenes I found very compelling Are Actually you know when she starts going to the doctors right and as this this doctor and he's saying doesn't resonate nothing wrong with you and I think that there's something to be said for the experience of being a woman and maybe having ailments that are not so easily definable or don't have so much research behind the mall or whatever which is you know? Even recent history is an issue is an issue now and you kind of feel for her. You know so. I think this point when I was at this tool can ever saying how unlikable she was. I just thought God you'll say wrong. She's she doesn't really know who she is and but she's not forced to think about who she is until body starts breaking down because in this society it's all about her body and keeping up appearances and going to a right besides class and presenting in that way very hypothetical in way and it's so yeah just great. I think that might be a little bit of an intentional. T. There though. He's using Julianne Moore in the way that he's that you know that collaboration across their other films far from heaven or she shows up in there as well. He knows how to use her particular talents. So well and in this she. Is THAT NAIVE? Infantilized suburban housewife. I think it plays with making her little bit. Unbelievable a little bit irritating at times just in order to then draw you in as as we follow her on this journey. I think it's a of start at one of the great actor-director collaborations I think this film really needs to be remastered and reissued. I wash it recently was on movie. I saw it the first time years ago in a very intense Sunday afternoon trickle bell at the Center in London where they showed safe from heaven. And I'm not there. It was when Carol came out and I mean it was the taught hanes and Julia multiple but by the end I was exhausted. I think I'd watched poison the night before just to psych me up where this rank Fee and clamming chiming as well a among heinous cannon. Is it up there? Oh God yeah I mean. I don't even need to do some prep to properly rank them but absolutely anything one of the things done would put a quite high up. There is the fact that it is Timeless it feels sorry timeless and I think kind of the unlike ability notion that Claire brought up while his interesting because really it was very of ahead of its time to how to present female characters that are not ideal or female characters that are questioning their position in the film. The expectations of them. How the move around the world who they are and we're very used to seeing that with male characters not so much because usually it's interpreted as whiny as nagging ask or just get over yourself or while you know definitely have much to do. So what are you? Whining abound? Now your life is safe which is literally the title of the film. She's a really safe environment. She's got everything than she. Supposedly needs to be contented happy but she clearly isn't and she's breaking down physically and emotionally and I think the fact that you can rewatch this film at different stages of your life is wall and Glean different layers foam in makes it a really compelling and endurable peace of work in Haines filmography but also in cinema in general particularly in the cinema of the nineties which I think you know a huge fan as I am the nineties both the kind of the nostalgic blockbuster elements and the campy elements but also the sheer volume of really forward. Thinking Cinema was made in that era. And I think I would recommend this film for people who may be having a day of the ninety s as being scream and speed and the mummy there was this sort of filmmaking made us while and it stands up and even games like I said before even more relevance now because of all of the contagion conversation that's been happening Because of the question belief ability especially in women's stories of unlikable ity and all of questioning as well questioning the norms. The we've been fan in general in Western capitalist society as to what are the correct expectations and what effects does that have on us. You know there's a whole of think pieces and articles on conversation going on about how there's a whole generation The millennial generation where one of her because ailments is just burning ourselves out. So does it. This film gains a whole `nother level of of interest. Because is it asking us? Does it really take a complete breakdown? A physical breakdown to make yourself question who you are. What you want from Your Life Incredibly forward thinking when put in in way considering at the time this was seen as an allegory. Fold AIDS the record set in the late eighties. And it's about the stigma of being ill and a an industry of medicine that doesn't necessarily cater for you or trust you. And then she's pushed to the fringes pushed to this Colt In order to find herself and find her her own sense of safety clear. How do you how? How did you read that ending? It's a IT'S A it's one of those great endings of character almost direct address to the audience defying them asking them to to to to to put their own reading on the situation as a happy ending a sad ending. I think as it's it's interesting you know like you a saying it's really it's about what you put on on that it's like how you passing interprets it and like what you might. WanNa take from you know because as as you say like notes to AIDS and you know issues with Moore not well is still prevalent. But that's something that he's noting to With the kind of cultish retreat leader. Where it's suggested that he but he has aids and he's HIV positive but he's somehow beaten. It's all kept at bay by positive thinking good night and better tation and yes yes and I think it's very and then very much about what you're putting on it and then as as you're watching it and you're just like a young woman in London. This this idea is so true. It's kind of a portrait of just burning out. You know and in terms of the ending. It feels so relevant to now in so many ways. Just this thing is who do you rely on and and what happens when destructors you believe are enough completely breakdown. Because of course the suggestion is that when kind of normal medical sciences failing her her kind of family life is failing her where she ton and what she tends to this kind of strange cultish retreat Positive thinking well that doesn't help. Help cure her totally either. Is it better or worse? And I think in an era of information overload and not knowing. What's believable who who to follow. When when traditional structures have broken down and that feels very very relevant and I completely agree it should be out in cinemas right now and everyone should be watching it. None of us really for twenty five years so I think this is one. That's worthy of reappraisal. You heard it here for safe is worn worth rewatching if you do watch it listeners. Let us know what you think of it at the usual channels at truth in movies on Twitter Truth and movies at Linden Dot com via email or the common section. Lbj'S DOT com slash podcast. That's it for this week. Anna Claire. Thank you so much for joining me next week. We're going to take a brief hiatus. We're going to be homeless without the studio so I suggest maybe go back through. The archives have listened to our interview with Saftey brothers if you had a chance to see. Then you feel uncut gems on Netflix. That's really fun interview and can really get the sense that those are exactly as High practice their films. Listen to that. Let's not think we'll be back soon? Watch the skies when you episode Mike Leader as always. This has been a seventy show production.

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