125: San Jose Sharks Broadcaster Randy Hahn
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Still available are curious little podcast journey each and every week into what used to be in professional sports. Thank you profusely for finding us. Podcast land downloading us and putting us into ear buds. Hopefully we've got some excitement for you this week and we're off to a rip roaring. Start aren't we if you can guess our <music> our voice just by that. If squint really hard you will hear the dulcet tones of one randy hahn our guest this week who was of course the longtime voice of the n._h._l. San jose sharks you'll hear him <hes> calling pie by play for the upcoming season yet again for the sharks at n._b._c. sports california nia but we know him and love him and want to go deeper into the story of his earlier days prior to ascending that mountain in the n._h._l. <hes> when he was among other things a <hes> a well known and well regarded and frankly just a masterful with language soccer broadcaster and we get into some of those early stops one of which you just heard that game that you just heard was the may twenty third game five tiebreaking final in the major indoor soccer league championship series in one thousand nine hundred three where the santiago soccer's defeated the baltimore blast three to one to win. What was then <hes> their second consecutive indoor soccer title the the season before of course the soccer's played in the north american soccer leagues indoor season and they won the championship there too so we join us now as the he san diego soccer's have now just won two championships one in the n._s._l. Now one in the more grueling <hes> m._i._s. cell and what randy and and ron newman the coach and all the players in the bob l. the owner but they didn't realize was they were frankly frankly on the road to beginning what became essentially the endured dynasty of all time in this in this country where they they went on to win ten championships five in a row until through nineteen eighty-six. They lost in the semi finals of the m._s._l. And eighty seven but then came came roaring back to win five more consecutive championships in the m._i._s. l. in the last tuesday's and notice the m._s._l. Or major soccer league <hes> and even nineteen ninety-three when that league folded and they went to the cis how they were runners up in the finals <hes> you could not conjure up a more dynastic team. Perhaps perhaps the new york arrows in the earliest four years of the m._s._l. <hes> we're certainly something and a force to be reckoned with steve jungle and broncos goethe oda for a year freddie grigorov shep messing and all that right but circa one thousand nine hundred eighty two eighty three. This was the first year of the soccer's entry into the e._s._l. And was the fifth year of the <hes> the m._s._l. Generally it was the first time that a team other than the new york arrows won on the championship and there's no surprise there of y randy and his <hes> his broadcast team. We're just going nuts. In the san diego sports arena to celebrate what was that again. The second indoor consecutive title for the san diego soccer's and a fascinating story soccer's are and were and we're gonna get into that that with <hes> with randy as well as where he kinda got his start. It's real first professional gig full-time that is was with the n._s._l. Outdoor and even door edmonton drillers and and randy will get into <hes> growing up and <hes> in the edmonton area and actually it wasn't even his first dalliance with the n._f._l. S. l. was with believe it or not the vancouver whitecaps while he was in college. We're gonna get into all of that stuff. Talk about ron newman. The great coach of the san diego soccer's all the great players players <hes> as well as a bit of just an insight into <hes> the vagabond life of a of a sports broadcast. We've done it with any others. <hes> on this show and <hes> randy hahn is no exception to that rule and we love to kind of go back in time reminisce about some of the hard knocks as well as some of the just sheer joyful memories and and frankly the <hes> the laying of foundation for for the career <hes> which he now certainly enjoys as the voice of the san jose sharks. All of that stuff is coming up with our guests our special guests this week randi hon and just a couple of moments. We want to first though thank our friends at streaker sports sports for their sponsorship of the show this week streaker sports dot com is the place to go and among many other cool stuff they call themselves the purveyor rivera sports culture of course they have a brand new special collection devoted to you guessed it the north american soccer league and if you want i really cool retro shirt featuring the san diego soccer's logo. You will find it their at streaker sports dot com. 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Stuff too with our our new friend randy hon and here's our great great conversation that we just had a couple of days ago. Please enjoy this. Little show is very socratic we for whatever reason actually the i think i figured out the reason i was cosmo's fan when i was a kid and i became really fascinated with the north american soccer league especially in hindsight is all those teams and leagues sort of came and went. We'll get to your your esteem. Status says the as the sharks <hes> announcer extraordinaire but it was curious to me that you got your <hes> broadcasting. I guess kinda really your start but i'll let you explain it actually in the north american soccer league up in edmonton you wanna give our audience a bit of a sense of of how how you sort of got into the broadcasting game altogether and maybe we're the n._s._l. And the edmonton drillers kind of fit into that well actually before the edmonton drillers. I was <hes> not off the play by play announcer but involved in covering the old vancouver whitecaps <hes> i was going to college at u._c. University of british columbia in vancouver uber and also working at the radio station that carried the whitecaps broadcast so i was involved in interviewing players and and kind of getting to know the culture of soccer for the first time because my experience as a as a canadian kid was pretty much at that point and limited to hockey and canadian football league and i just had not covered a lot of pro soccer so a couple of years of being around the game in vancouver and then <hes> got my first television job at c._f. R. n. in edmund which is my original hometown so sort of full circle coming back to where i was born and grew up to do my first t._v. Job in nineteen eighty and it was there that i went to work for the station that was a both radio and tv combination operation and carried the edmonton drillers games on television and to a lesser extent when it became necessary in a playoff setting radio uh-huh and that is how i actually got my first play by play job doing anything i was doing the eleven p._m. Television sports in edmonson and the drillers had a playoff game the very next day in houston and at about ten o'clock the night before the game in houston with me sitting at edmonson and <hes> i found out that they needed somebody in an emergency basis to the game because the regular play by play guy was sick or unavailable or whatever have you ever done on soccer i said of course which was a bald face lie and <hes> they booked me a flight and six o'clock the next morning i flew from edmonson into houston and trust me. They're never has been and to this day. Still is not a nonstop flight. It was a long day of traveling <hes> in the summer summer for an outdoor playoff game which would actually be played indoors at the houston astrodome stepped off the plane walked out of the airport into basically ninety five degree humidity in houston which was a far cry from what i left in edmonson dropped. My bags at a hotel went to the astrodome. There was probably more rushers working to building them. Were actually fans at the game and the edmonton drillers played houston and they kicked off and that was the i play by play of soccer of hockey of anything that i had ever done except my original. <hes> dog sled a a play by play when i was sixteen years old but that doesn't quite count in the same sense and <hes> i did the game and thank goodness was on radio because if it was on t._v. Everyone everyone would have realized how horrendous i was but the drillers one and victory always covers up bad announcing and i was on my way and that was my my pro debut if you will well. We've actually to get to that so that's that's a fascinating <hes>. When did you know that you wanted added to be a broadcaster at all. Did you know that going into into college. When you're in vancouver or were was it did not evolve as you were in college and he stumbled across job. I was actually already broadcaster. Before i went to college. <hes> i was very fortunate <hes> after leaving edmunds and probably at the age of about ten eleven and and and maybe the seed was planted in those years when i lived there and would sit in my or lay in my bed at night on a school night and listen into <hes> edmonton eskimos football games on the radio or if i could pick up and out of town station late at night in salt lake city k._s._l. I sell a hundred thousand watt clear channel station. Maybe they have some kind of an event on that. I could hear it on my transistor radio but it was always very fascinated with sports. I believe because it it introduces you to the whole concept of theater of the mind. Which is what <hes> a radio broadcast of a sporting event is you're only providing the parameters the listener has to imagine the game in their head and that connection between that listener and the announcer is very very strong and very direct as opposed to television where you see the events and the <hes> the broadcasters just enhance it but i think that's where the seed was planted when i was a younger boy and then my family moved to the yukon on territory in canada which for those unfamiliar is up near alaska <hes> very remote area small town of about twenty thousand people and while attending high school school i literally locked in to <hes> being invited to be interviewed on a radio show when i was fifteen representing our high school and i was asked to join the host to interview who to this day <hes> might still be the most famous person i've ever interviewed and was the first interview i ever did at the age of fifteen and it was colonel. Harland sanders of kentucky fried chicken thing happened to be passing through our town to visit his franchise in white horse on the alaska highway and i was in the studio with this <hes> hosts that day and i got to ask colonel sanders unders what the secret recipe was and of course he wouldn't reveal it but <hes> that was where i i got my start and that's really i think that really lit the fuse. I love the environment fireman. I love being me in the studio. I love being on the microphone and from there it led to an opportunity to work at the local radio station in my in the town where oh you live in white horse and i worked there for the c._b._c. and then applied to go to the university of british columbia was accepted and then <hes> work part time at a at vancouver commercial marshall radio station c k and w which was was also the home of the vancouver canucks the n._h._l. And that was kind of my first experience in working in hockey on radio so i was lucky from the age of fifteen i've been doing what i do now and <hes> here. We are forty five years later. I'm completely unqualified to do anything else and if i lose the current job i have. I'll probably be living under a bridge in six weeks. I doubt that highly but let's not tempt fate because it's a fickle business right this and and i i just i'm really curious back to the drillers e this. This sounds like the proverbial sort of falling into the situational kind of story that we've heard time and time again from you know most many of the broadcasters we talked. We've talked to a bunch john sterling in new york and j._p. Della camera on the soccer soccer side and and a few others and so i guess i'd love to hear your impressions of okay so you get through this edmonton drillers playoff game. Did you think i think that was going to turn into a more substantial sort of play by play kind of gig or where was this kind of just a side sidelight to your anchoring duties duties on sports back at the home station well in that one instance it was a sidelight and then a week later i almost was drummed right out of the whole idea because apparently i'd impressed oppressed enough on that i ever broadcast from houston that the next week when the regular play by play announcer return for a t._v. Game they sent me along now as the sideline guy as they beefed up. Their coverage was round two of the n._f._l. Playoffs so now i'm on the sidelines at lockhart stadium in fort lauderdale <hes> very awesome <hes> intimate <hes> you know field a college football field that <hes> the fort lauderdale <hes> franchise was you think of the strikers this was the name of the franchise is and and the fans at the sold out game and there had been a very controversial game there the week before with police involved so there was all these police with german german shepherds surrounding field for the game we were at and nothing happened except the fans discovered that i was visiting sideline reporter quarter and they started throwing ice cubes asked me and even though that was somewhat welcome in the midsummer florida humidity getting hit in the head repeatedly leave with ice cubes. Don't like being stoned literally <hes> so <hes> <hes> i wasn't sure what to expect of all this but as it turned out the very next season when the edmonton drillers not only returned to the n._s._l. But they went into the indoor in a._s._l. I was asked if i wanted to do all the games from that time and going forward and of course in a nanosecond. I said yes <hes> because i i it. It already discovered. I think that it's what i liked and wanted to pursue next continues to be in combination with anchoring sports but eventually i went to a fulltime within two years early in ten seconds to go and regulating <music> side all on the doors. They're free kicks. They put it into either. Counting down here to one <music> <music> <music> fine one indeed a team game i need one of the best team game was played all year. <hes> really didn't have much to do goals when he was going to make day you make these he's as the defense played midfield player buddy well christmas in six tonight and today that really gonna be pleaser themselves. There's there's no around could be vital door. Edmund to the new york. God knows nothing so that's interesting so the indoor and outdoor thing right right so i'd love to hear a little bit more commentary about sort of the drillers franchise generally with the enigmatic peter pocklington in sort of pulling the strings but also sort of your recollections of the n._s._l. As an outdoor league as well as an indoor or league occasionally and how maybe even the drillers kind of handle it because you know we we've had a lot of different conversations have been like the atlanta chiefs for example right drew flies outdoors indoors. They were truly hot and it was more exciting. I know the drillers had a championship indoors unlike their their travails outdoors a lot of questions all at once but what are your recollections of edmonton is franchise as well as a team. That's playing either outdoors indoor's depending on what month it was well my my per season with with them ended up being nineteen eighty <hes> eighty eighty one season and <hes> <hes> the transition between outdoor and indoor was very difficult and this turned out to replicate itself and when i was with the san talkers and they did the same thing and there was literally i i wanna say a ten day break between the end of the outdoor season and the start of the indoor endorse season and the personnel didn't change a whole lot so you had all these players who had just gone through the grind of a fairly long n._a._s._a. Outdoor season and they go right right into what was probably back then. If my memory serves me correctly about a forty two forty game indoor season <hes> so it was really tough the players to make that transition <hes> and you know for an announcer not not such a big deal but it it was just a really quick turnaround and it was also tough for the a fan too because i think at the end of every season especially if it doesn't end in a championship you need some time away from it before you can build up momentum for the next season and here. You're asking your hands hand. Okay we just got eliminated from the playoffs and ten days later you know it's the season opener so it was very unusual to to combine the two it was done for economic reasons to try and <hes> maybe hyper jumpstart the sport and trying pocklington who you <hes> who you recall <hes> or who you referenced and he's probably most famous for bringing wayne gretzky through the oilers but i think he felt that if they've played more months of the year it would expose the product faster and i just think he didn't have the deep enough pockets or wasn't willing to reach into them to prop this thing up for too long at a big loss and the franchise certainly did run at a loss and didn't have a very long run so i think that was the reason for doing it but i'm not sure it was necessarily beneficial as it turned out for the franchise is <hes> because of eventually folded but for me that was the beginning of another whole chapter because upon the drawers folding <hes> i moved on to san diego and and had had a great run there and have nine championship rings to show it show from that design at san diego so i'm really curious as as you sort of got deeper with the <hes> the drillers organization i mean was soccer something that you felt that you wanted to do full-time. He's being dragged in that direction. Imagine that the indoor game at least had a little bit of sort of that hockey flavor i know j._p._l. Camera kind of felt that that was at least an entree or at least kept his you. You know his skills kind of warm. Shall we say for what at least in his mind was an eventual sort of go at sort of the n._h._l. Hockey which was sort of prime and is and you kind of just going with the flow given that that was a gig and you get play by play experience or did you. Did you think that soccer was going to be kind of it or did you have have dreams of kind of leveraging that in something else eventually someday i think what it what it ended up being especially when i left edmonson <hes> more than anything rather than chasing the soccer broadcast stream if it was <hes> satisfying another dream and that was to work in the united states <hes> very very early on in my broadcast time and edmunds and it became apparent that it was a much smaller market place then was the u._s. Broadcast market <hes> you know the state of california to this day has more people has a greater population than the entire country of canada which is the second second-largest in in landmass in the world so you have this huge country with not that many people in it and and as a result the sports media landscape is much much different than u._s._o. I wanted to i wanted to go to the u._s. I tasted the travel. I've been to new york. I've been to chicago. I've been to san eddie eggo l._a. And so on and so on and it was as a young man it was it was very exciting to see a whole new world and the prospect of being involved. The broadcast side of things in the u._s. was very very appetizing and when peter pocklington thanks to him in large part made made it possible for me to get a work visa after the drillers folded and moved to san diego <hes> i jumped at the opportunity so i think i i was doing the soccer walker and very excited to do it and would end up doing a lot more of it <hes> even at the world cup level <hes> but i think initially it was just for the opportunity to get into the the u._s. market and worked there as canadian <hes> and then once i got there i think eventually i i return to my roots and crave the opportunity to work in the n._h._l. Which your benchley came with the los angeles kings as a result of doing soccer on the same channel that the kings were on down in down in southern california interesting interesting so how does how does the move side from the the visa and and the <hes> <hes> the ability to work <hes> in the united states. How do you get from edmonton tin drillers coverage to the san diego gig. How does that even come about. Obviously you know the m._s._l. Was its own different beast but i'm just curious as as to how how you actually got the san diego relatives say to other opportunities that might have been nibbling at you know at the end of the <hes> at the end of the indoor season the edmonton drillers folded at the end of the outdoor season played our last game in portland at the old portland civic stadium and against the then portland timbers and we all had a pretty good idea that the franchise was gonna fold at the end of the season pocklington was gonna shut it down and they did and <hes> i had already planned vacation to hawaii. I was going there for a couple of weeks. Nice nice day and of course this is in the days before we all walked around with phones are pocket. <hes> and communication was at a very different level so i went to hawaii for a couple of weeks. I get back home and there's like four messages on my answering machine gene from bill hansen who was the p._r. Director and was also in charge of the broadcasters for the san diego soccer's and we developed a little bit of a relationship in my time with edmonson <hes> playing in san diego and me getting to know bill and we hit it off and he said <hes> please call me <hes> immediately and i have four of those messages messages that had come over two weeks so as soon as i got home of course i got on the phone immediately and he said thank goodness you called <hes>. We're making a change with our broadcaster and we wanted to know if you're interested and i said yes. I'm interested and he said can you send me a tape and i said yes. I happen to have a tape of the drillers versus. The san diego soccer's he said get get that to me as fast as possible so fortunately fedex did exist at that time and overnight in the tape <hes>. He played it for the owner. 'cause it was the owner who's gonna make the call bob bell and he said great. I like it. He's our guy. Let's see if we can make it happen and then we have to start working on on immigration and issues of that nature <hes> the the deal they offered me was <hes> sixteen thousand dollars a year less than i was making the chiming edmonson but you know as has a twenty three year old and with the dream work in the u._s. <hes> money in those days <hes> even if it was such a drastic cut in pay didn't really matter to me that that that wasn't a factor <hes> when the job was offered i immediately accepted and and all the financial stuff worked out but that's how i ended up with the san diego geico soccer's they had just won their first of ten indoor titles in the n._f._l. Indoor and then the n._f._l. Indoor after the eighty one eighty two season folded and the m._s._l. Came into being in the san diego soccer's playing their inaugural m._i._s. el-sisi eighty two eighty three season and lo and behold my first ever ever year of doing <hes> san diego indoor soccer they want a championship and went on to beat the titans of indoor soccer <hes> through the rest of the eighties and well all into the nineties under on new and so it was a great beginning for me <hes> and we had a great following the old san diego just still there and it's in its original allstate <hes> was packed every night and <hes> well it was the beginning of what really was a dynasty in pro sports even though it was indoor soccer which didn't have the shave cash as the other major sports <hes> it was a remarkable run that they had so when you went from edmonton to san diego. We was outdoor in those last couple of years of the outdoor a._s._l. As well was that part of your gig as well or was it exclusively just the indoor version. Oh no it was the outdoors well so <hes> you know was already familiar with the n._f._l. So that when the san diego soccer's were playing outdoors <hes> you know a lot of the same personnel. Were still there but you know. I have some great memories of those years. There's as brief as they were with the edmonton. Drillers are getting to see penny and <hes> you know later on some of the other greats in the n._s._l. <hes> <hes> because when when the drillers came in they were part of that that that expansion time that that real gross time in the n._s._l. When when it grew ultimately too big too fast and you had teams like edmonton who wanted to get involved because ownership saw this opportunity to perhaps benefit from the the growth of the league but you had teams like the cosmos and there were others as well the chicago sting and and even the seattle l. sounders and even portland timbers who were spending millions of dollars bringing over international players and it seemed like the edmonton drillers just didn't have that financing dancing to bring so it was tough to compete and it was tough to <hes> make a splash when your stars were an anything nearly as impressive as some some of those other stars and it turned out to be one of the great flaws of the a._s._l. Of overloading sometimes with you know stars who commanded big dollars the best years were behind them and that became apparent very quickly once they got north america they just weren't the the same as they used to be when they played abroad so <hes> <hes> you know the the drillers kinda got caught up in that and they just couldn't survive in that environment but <hes> it was still a fabulous being involved and <hes> and getting my first taste east and then of course i would do the outdoor san diego soccer's for a long time and and move along to other <hes> even more exciting opportunities in the outdoor game so it was it was good that i had those early years with the edmonton drillers so when you're doing both outdoor and indoor i i mean i guess as a broadcaster. It's got to be a good thing because you see your basically year round employed right. I'll be it in the n._f._l. And not sort of in the you know the top tier pro leagues of elsewhere but did you prefer in one versus the other not imitate versus san diego but i mean outdoor versus indoor. The cadence. I'm sure is different the way that we prepare how you pace yourself process. I guess it's sort of the question what difference if any was there is there between that <hes> outdoor game versus that of indoor well i think <hes> the biggest difference earns for me and the most the most difficult thing was doing outdoor on radio. <hes> there's just not enough reference points on the field in the same way as a a smaller venue like an indoor soccer arena which is basically a hockey rink with astroturf on it. <hes> the outdoor game was a lot harder to call on radio and television not so much <hes> but i but i think as i look back. I prefer the indoor game from what i do now. Because as you referenced earlier earlier it's essentially hockey without the state's three forwards two defenders a goalkeeper hockey three forwards two defence when a goalie and has played on the same in the same setting <hes> just the difference being ice versus turf so it was a great trading ground for me playing the broadcasting the indoor game for eventually doing hockey because just because i'm born canadian and grew up playing hockey as as you expect to be pretty much every boy back then and now every boy and girl <hes> the plays hockey as soon as they can learn how to skate that didn't necessarily qualify to be a broadcaster at it <hes> but but it became my dream to be in the n._h._l. And and as it turned out what a better preparation ground <hes> i could have hoped for aside from doing minor league hockey which i've never done <hes> than doing the m i._s._l. Which was essentially a minor league hockey on grass well. I mean <hes> you know coming into. I'd just it to me. It's fascinating to sort of the last year or two of the n._s._l. All right obviously you know in fits and starts right trying to hold on for everything you mentioned the expansion to re too much too soon and no doubt the the the player imbalanced terms of salaries and all that kind of stuff but it's also very interesting to and we've had a couple of conversations around this on the m._i._s. l. and how it ironically indoor was something that the a._s._l. Kinda had the lock on even before the m._s._l. Was born in the early seventies and it's really interesting to see in hindsight how the n._f._l. You know <hes> struggled all to kind of reclaim it. After the kind of almost perfected it i just the indoor game to me is is always been fascinating and and there's no question question that it really caught the attention of even the average sports fan because of its <hes> intensity and an action versus that of the outdoor game which by comparison was just you know much more plotting certainly more quote unquote foreign. I guess to the american fan yeah and you know i hate to hate to sound like that. That media chant that we hear about the outdoor game which which i don't believe is necessarily the case and probably less so now than than it's ever been because of the the strides that the outdoor game has taken especially in the last few years to become so much more exciting and so more offensively exciting but indoor soccer had lots of goals there. Were you know if you were an uneducated soccer. Bannon you went to san diego sports arena on saturday night with your date because somebody gave you some free tickets to this thing called indoor soccer and all the sudden all you're seeing is a bunch of goals. It's kind of fun. There's there's lots of jeering. There's lots back and forth <hes> there's <hes> there's plenty of offense so i think that really <hes> was a huge huge boost for the indoor game and i'm not sure the n._f._l. Ever really <hes> embraced the door game <hes> fully and i think part of the problem maybe was was that as it turned out the indoor game was never really hugely successful in the big markets because i think it was perceived to be a a minor interleague sport the one exception to that might be chicago <hes> where the sting drew very well and and it was a pretty popular thing there and people would come in from the suburbs herbs to go see it and and pack the chicago stadium but in new york it never really was a big thing briefly. The islanders had their run with steve not islanders the arrows arose with <hes> steve young and his years there but it never really took hold. I remember doing a game at madison square garden <hes> the san diego soccer's and the new new york cosmos and and i would be stunned if there was a thousand people there and it never really took big old in l._a. The lasers were never really a franchise guys that drew well at all <hes> the places where it did flourish attendance wise for san diego and saint louis and kansas angeles city and baltimore and cleveland and you know those are not really major american markets in the same way that philadelphia in washington d._c. Are so i think that <hes> that it was perfect for that next year of markets and below <hes> which would include food places like wichita where it was very popular <hes> but i think the real reason the n._f._l. Ever really took that seriously it was because they were based out of new york but they were very cosmos. Centric league and indoor soccer just did not really catch on in the new york area in a big way so it kind of trickled down to those other cities but you know it was so big in my mind for a good eight to ten years most of those being in the m._i._s. l. I remember going coming into the old checker dome in saint louis and in those days to saint louis blues weren't very good and they were draw drawing probably twelve or thirteen thousand a game and the saint louis steamers who would sell out every game nineteen thousand it was it was just phenomenal and it was at the absolute peak <hes> and we thought it would never ever go away and and only get bigger bigger but eventually the owners managed to screw but i figured out a way screwed up. I want to get it to the indoor dynasty <music> <hes> in san diego in a second but i'm really curious since it you had a bunch of years both at edmonton and with the and the n._s._l. Couple years with the san diego soccer's when when did you kind of know or see that the wheels were falling off the league or or any examples of of just the of it probably not going to last too much longer. I'm just i'm just endlessly fascinated at sort of how the thing came about to its demise as much as i am about you know how successful and gogo it was in the early part of the seventies and early eighties well. You know i'll be honest with you with a you know a couple of decades of hindsight. I think one of the worst things for the m._i._s. L. in the long run was the san diego soccer's. They kept winning. They in the ten years i was there they one nine nine championships and it became very discouraging for a lot of these owners who came in laid down the money started their franchise and and they just couldn't win. They couldn't win a championship. They had good teams. I think of the tacoma stars i think the the kansas city franchise wichita the baltimore blast who were probably san diego's top rival back in those days and they would get to that final and enron newman's team would end up winning every year year after year after year santiago the winning a championship score tonight the soccer. I do it right baltimore fat. They took this thought what does soccer's champion in nineteen eighty two. I champion on big celebration down on the field. They want us going down to the field both game presentation mike boorda joining yeah. I think the walstein family in cleveland where i don't know this for a fact but i think they finally just got so frustrated frustrated in in the fact that they could never win a championship they could never get past san diego that they finally pulled out and and and i think there was also some mismanagement management at the at the commissioner level there was a lot of <hes> lot of bouncing around of the commissioners of the m._i._s. l. unqualified people and and a and there were you know when there was crisis the the management of that crisis wasn't very good and so on and so on but i i really think it hurt <hes> it's to come back to my main point that no other team could break through and i think it frustrated the owners and the other cities and ultimately the fans as well that you know at the beginning of the season you pretty on june in san diego is going to win it. So what's the point all right. 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Whatever i mean there are dynasties but you know that's an understatement when you when you look at from nineteen eighty one eighty eighty two the first season. I think you were there right in the n._f._l. And an eighty three eighty four which is also the n._f._l. But and all the other seasons which were m._i._s. cell and then ninety any ninety one and nineteen ninety-one ninety-two was renamed m._s._l. The san diego soccer's want every single championship in those years save for the eighty six eighty seven season when they lost in the semifinal. I mean that is just absolutely dominant. I guess as i can't think of another word that's just that is an amazing being run that i think sadly is a bit lost to history because of the checkered history shall we say of this indoor version of the game absolutely absolutely and and even when we were in the midst of it and it was <hes> there's a famous radio online called one for the thumb when the doctors were going founded. Randy adapt will be using it as part of the editing process. Don't you worry san diego. What's got you down. Do you need a win team for a win in town the next one thing i know for sure asakusa game is a miracle on sports fans. Don't we've got a team. That's number one if your down and feeling lynn blue asked dot takata what to do this tonight and comb in the money you want more on the new offering and it even when they were going for their fifth championship you know and as you would try and convince people in in larger mainstream media that they auto pay attention to this thing and this team <hes>. I don't care what it is. If it's professional sports professional tiddlywinks to win ten championships in a little over a decade or night in ten years is unheard of and you know they kept putting putting a team on the field and the the personnel changed so much in the in the early years it was you know julie was the big star and and then it would end up being broncos to goethe that it was the jungle and it went on and on and then they had great american players to like kevin crow and alan mayor <hes> and then world-class international outdoor players cast dana who was on the police national team and and and the one common thread through the dynasty was ron newman <hes> teams the team had a general manager in those years but the general manager was just on the business side ron newman recruited the players brought them in sign them coach them and and to me <hes> the late great ron newman who we lost several years ago was was the reason season for the dynasty he knew the players who could play and he brought them together and kept them together just long enough to extract championships awesome yeah so so so explain to our audience ron newman because he's clearly the the center of all of this and and without whom this success this amazing in unduplicated success would not have happened. Obviously he was part of the original a._s._l. Astle and and was part of the you know arguably one of the sort of <hes> saviors of the league when it was on its last legs in the early part of the nineteen seventies and the fort lauderdale strikers as a player and a coach. Maybe some recollections of of ron newman asa coach because i can't imagine this kind of a dynasty would have happened and without you know his brilliance as a coach no no absolutely and and and even beyond that i would argue if you were going to identify the the greatest salesman of the sport not just indoor but outdoor as well <hes> through the eighties and the nineties it has to be ron newman <hes> he was sir just such an effervescent personality <hes> he came from the background of the credibility of being player in in england most notably with portsmouth smith <hes> and then was one of the true pioneers <hes> in in north america first joining the atlanta chiefs imagine back in nineteen nineteen sixty seven and moving on and as you referenced eventually finishing his playing career in the n._f._l. With fort lauderdale and then making that transition into coaching shing but when it came to coaching the indoor game he he just figured it out and i i wish i had the recollection or maybe i didn't even have the conversation <hes> because when i sort of drifted away from from the sport as far as being around ron newman a lot and that was was after my second year is the broadcaster for the kansas city wizards in m._l._s. before they changed their name and enron was the first head coach they ever had <hes> i. I wish i would have spent the time to go through him with him. How he figured out the indoor game i don't know if he watched <hes> a lot of basketball or hockey <hes> the five man games to try and figure out what would work with that but he he was he was such an innovator as well. I know it doesn't sound like a big deal now but you know when when he was down by <hes> a few goals he would never hesitate to pull his goalkeeper and and on power plays he would pull his goalkeeper something. You never see the n._h._l. Unless the team is dexter in the last few minutes we're on do it right. He would do it in the first quarter and you know it would end up becoming what we would call it. The super power play <hes> because it would be six on four with no keeper and then all the teams started to do it after that and <hes> you know that was just one of his his innovations <hes> and the thing that strikes me most is his ability to find these players. He was is well connected <hes> because he was able to to find these characters. You know the the famous ones are maybe a little easier to find but he would find those players. There's like brian quinn who was such an important part of of the team defensively and offensively would later go onto the national team playing outdoor gene will rich <hes> addy coker <hes> players like <hes> the goalkeepers he would find <hes> victor to garra <hes> and and <hes> jim gorsuch and he won with so many different kinds of players but he always had that core very still guys. They're smart players players with the ball players that made those around them better but then he also had the ability to manage the big personalities like you know if you've ever if you ever spent back in those days anytime time around julie v or broncos to go to or steve jungle <hes> these guys were big personalities they weren't they were prickly. Sometimes they weren't the easiest the coach there were spats. I remember who will peres shoving <hes> our assistant coach johan audio during a game once and he was suspended but you no he would later go on and have a great season. The rest of the way ron was able to manage the personalities that he brought in <hes> and and was able to extract the excellence ah them on top of being just such a tremendous salesman and whenever microphone was in in front of him you know only had a great personality but also had a great sense sense of humor <hes> and and he he he was just the whole package and deservedly is in the is in the soccer hall of fame and i just wish as you alluded to that what he created with that dynasty team was was more recognized in the mainstream of american sport for what it was and it was truly remarkable how <hes> how about the <hes> the fans and in in san diego and and and how quote unquote major league was was the soccer franchise <hes> relative say to the the padres or or the <hes> the chargers obviously it was a big and dynastic experience but it was also arguably is these you know it's. It's not it's it's neither of those two major leagues was a warm embrace. Him in the crowd seemed to be pretty steady and voluble during those years. Oh absolutely <hes> you know once they they started winning which didn't take very long in the indoor sport <hes> they were very well received very well treated by the local san diego media for sure <hes> to you get an m._i._s. L. highlight in those days on sports center in the early years of e._s._p._n. Was almost impossible <hes> but but in at the local level the the soccer's were were very embraced <hes> san diego because of the year round climate was a a very big soccer community as far as the you you know minor soccer and key and youth soccer <hes> and and when this team came there and started to win they were very well received the the ticket prices compared to the chargers and even the clippers time before they moved up to l._a. They shared the old sports arena with the soccer's for a few years and then the soccer shared <hes> old jack murphy stadium with the chargers injures. <hes> you know going to a soccer game was was much more affordable for family and it was very much a family environment <hes> because of the the way the whole thing thing was set up and the nature of the game so <hes> very well received. I might some of my fondest memories were for me. It was always the best. If you wanna championship on the road <hes> of course we flew commercial in those days and you know some soccer team still do to this day as opposed to maybe some of the other major sports pretty much. Everyone flies charter <music> now but we would we would win a championship and i say we would win because there were nine of <hes> we win a championship on the road and of course everybody got to go out after that wind and celebrate great all night long no one slept you'd get on the plane and say leave baltimore and fly back to san diego and we land and this was the days when and security at the airport so much different anybody could walk into an airport and literally walk up to a gate. You were never <hes> skander screened or anything it was just different and there would be over a thousand people at the gate at city airport to greet the team chanting with flags and it was you'd literally the players would walk through a cauldron of supporters supporters on both sides of the aisles of the airport and it was it was sometimes over a thousand people television cameras and everything something that would never happen now l. and those were some of the most remarkable moments there would later be <hes> celebrations at the arena. They never really did a a proper parade that i could imagine i could be wrong about that but they never did a parade through <hes> downtown san diego in the same way that you see it now with teams when they went to world series or a super bowl all aura stanley cup or or a women's world cup champions we recently had but but that that walks through the airport and all those supporters and all the fans of san diego c._e._o. <hes> there to cheer the team home and welcome them home. <hes> it's still brings a spine tingling feeling to be remembering those moments well. So what about your career at that point too right because i'm assuming that the the soccer's gig was not the only thing that you were doing knowing you know the world of of sports broadcasting isn't necessarily the most <hes> shall we say stable or secure. I gotta think you were in addition to <hes> riding that <hes> that amazing run with the soccers you were also sort of keeping an eye on other opportunities in gigs and maybe even sports and situations and maybe doing some of those simultaneously tena asli to your soccer's work but i'm assuming all of that yes. You're actually correct. The indoor soccer season you know occupied the winter months and and it was really november through april and then there was a lot of downtime. They're so <hes> i eventually became the pregame halftime postgame talk show host for the san diego chargers in the n._f._l. N._f._l. On radio <hes> did all the chargers in stadium <hes> video voice work on the jumbotron <hes> did some backup work as the san diego padres arteries in stadium announcer <hes> and and you know a variety of other things and of course got an opportunity then to do shocker work outside eight of san diego <hes> eventually doing u._s. National team games <hes> and then you as national team games on the sports channel america that eventually leading to doing the the first world cup. I did <hes> which was for t._n._t. And nineteen ninety nine women's world cup the first one which wasn't really called the world cup world championship in ninety one but yeah i i i started to branch out and do more and more things and then eventually got the opportunity to work in hockey as well <hes> and and eventually settled in in doing the n._h._l. Which have now i'm coming up on my twenty nine year but yeah as a broadcaster you looking to branch out and and do things in the off season and <hes>. I was absolutely doing that as well as <hes> doing. The daily sports on the radio stations that those teams were on so i had a lot going on at that time but it was great because <hes> it it it was an opportunity to to get to do sports that i didn't know as much about and it was a real growth time for warming all right so let's let's round the the curve here at i appreciate all of this thus far because this is <hes>. This is great stuff guy. I don't even know some of the most die-hard san jose sharks fans. No <hes> your your soccer history and past and i'm sorry to drag you back to it but <hes> maybe a few of them will find it interesting as as we do explain to me see how the san jose sharks gig which you know again. Almost you know approaching thirty years. It's an amazing an amazing story in and of itself <hes> we've. We've had a couple of different conversations around. I guess the progenitor of what ultimately became the franchise that <hes> came to the n._h._l. In san jose clearly the california golden seals you know of the late sixties early seventies was part of that dynamic clearly the minute minnesota north stars his <hes> and we've had howard baldwin on this show <hes> were part of sort of that <hes> that <hes> input there. I'm not asking to go back into the history books and become a hockey scholar but you're kind of involved in part of the generation of interest in getting hockey back to the bay area in some way shape or form that ultimately became the sharks. No yes <hes> my wife at the time. It was a television weather anchor and she got a job. I met her in san diego and remarried there. She got a job in san jose so we moved to san jose but i was still doing the san diego soccer's. It was kinda my second go round with them. I had left and then i had been brought back <hes> for a couple of years and it was at that time just as luck would have it as we were moving moving to the bay area that the city of san jose voted to build what is now s._a._p. Center but at that point it was going to become san jose arena and the feeling back then from what we could gather was that the they were going to try and attract the warriors of the n._b._a. To this new arena in san jose silicon valley was just starting to become silicon valley alley and and there was a lot of wealth in the area and the projections were that it was going to grow and become an economic engine which was absolutely correct so <hes> as we were living there i i came into contact a little article in the newspaper with a group of people particularly a couple of attorneys in san jose who were hockey fans and we decided the to form an organization called n._h._l. Hockey san jose and i was then by that time doing the work with the l._a. Kings as well and i had this opportunity to go around around the n._h._l. As part of my regular job and on the side to the horn about this idea of bringing an n._h._l. Team to san jose and eventually the n._h._l. Forced us to change change our name to pro hockey san jose 'cause we were using their trademark name but that's actually one of the reasons we call the organization now because we're trying to get their attention and it's funny you just referenced prince howard baldwin because we went about trying to attract ownership and we were contacted by howard baldwin who had sold his n._h._l. Interests at at that point and was looking to get back in and he had an investor and he partnered with us to <hes> go to the city of san jose with this idea <hes> pursuing an expansion franchise for san jose long story short at the end when the franchise was allocated there was a power move by the gun family <hes> predominantly george gun he and his brother gordon who also owned the cleveland cavaliers at that time were the owners of the minnesota north stars and they wanted the the area market they had bay area ties and they wanted the expansion franchise in san jose so they swapped out <hes> the minnesota north stars for the rights to san jose howard baldwin ended up with the minnesota north stars later sold them and they became the dallas stars but the gun family came in they became the original owners of the san jose jose sharks and the first year i was one of their broadcasters for two years and then my year three i was their primary television broadcaster so and i and i'm not shy to say it. I was hoping to create a job for myself by bringing an expansion franchise to <hes> san jose and in a roundabout long way not having any any of the money to stick and do actually buying the team. That's what i was able to do so that's really interesting because that's what i was gonna ask. The question was a quid pro. Quo in that process in this crazy business of sports broadcasting right. I mean that's you know that's a that's a very entrepreneurial thing to do right. At arguably you know if it pays he's out right it becomes kind of lifetime employment or at least steady employment right which is probably something that most people you know now in their early years slapping in the minor leagues and doing what they gotta do get their tapes out. There you know dream of having is that kind of stable gig well absolutely and and again one of the and this just defies the way. It's supposed to go and anybody who's out there right now. Who's an aspiring hockey broadcaster e._c._h._a. or the n._h._a. Or <hes> the u._s. a._h._l. Or even the american hockey league will will be disgusted when they hear that i never wherever did on minor league hockey game in my life before i did my first san jose sharks television game. It's just the way it worked out the n._s._l. Could to qualify as that right if you've if you wanna be the hottie american sports fan right the but you paid your dues. There's no no doubt about that. No question russian i did pay my dues and and that indoor soccer experience ended up being the the groundwork laid to to be able to do hockey but <hes> yeah it was <hes> it was a great great opportunity and it was also a great intersection of events because the n._h._l. Was looking to expand the guns wanted to come to the bay area and we formed this group and all of those <hes> forces team together at the right time and <hes> there was a lot of people in the n._h._l. Before for the sharks were actually awarded the franchise in san jose the felt it would never work in the bay area unless the arena was in san francisco and san jose san francisco. Let's go is just now. Finally getting tarita. The warriors are gonna move into it. They in the back in those days. They were trying to build one but never were able to but there was a lot of naysayers in the n._h._l. Who just didn't understand what's san jose was that san jose was the third most populated city in california behind los angeles and san diego and they didn't understand the the future impact of silicon valley and <hes> once those things became <hes> you know once the the commissioner commissioner of the n._h._l. And the board of governors look deeper into this <hes> it became very apparent but if they could get a foothold in san jose they would essentially become the only pro sports which team no disrespect to the earthquakes but they were in and out and in and out and and were one of the big four along with football baseball and basketball at that time <hes> once they saw saw the opportunity that was there <hes> they they made the move to give it to san jose and they've never looked back and it's been hugely successful. <hes> we talked about this with a couple of our guests and stuff <hes> when when it comes to and you've been there long enough right to understand the history of that franchise how much of that though from what you can sort of recount in the years that you've been there how much reverence is there to towards the past <hes> that sorta preceded the sharks because there's no question that that there is a bit of north stars in there. There's a there is a bit of the heritage or the memories of the of the seals and their follies in oakland years prior or or is it really kind of just it's been the sharks from day one and really no sort of look back recollection of the mongrel this. I guess that may be preceded. It yeah well. I mean as we close in on three decades of the franchise. You have all these different demographic groups within the fan base and i think anybody that's thirty or younger is probably gonna have less fun. Recall of of the seals who actually ended up becoming the charts in a very roundabout way because when they awarded the sharks the <hes> the expansion franchise they also forced them to have a cross pollination draft with the minnesota north stars where both teams to select select players in the expansion draft so some old minnesota north stars ended up on the san jose sharks and if you trace the minnesota stars franchise back i think back to in cleveland the old cleveland h. l. franchise and then before that they were the the seals <hes>. There's sort of some d._n._a. Of the seals in in the san jose sharks but there's there's a certain amount of romanticism from the fans that are <hes> you know from that era of the sixties when charlie finley only had the seals and even before that there was the san francisco fog and and some other teams in this area in the old west coast hockey league but you know oh i think most of the romance that's around for the sharks franchise dates back to the early days and you know they were remarkable too. I was very fortunate in my. I first year of being full time with them. They made the playoffs in only their third year. And of course we've recently seen the vegas golden knights in their first year. Go all the way to the stanley cup final <hes> <hes> but back in those days the expansion draft was brutal for the new teams and percents san jose to be in the playoffs in year three and then knock off detroit in the first round was absolutely salihu stunning development. It was the greatest <hes> playoff upset in n._h._l. History arguably up to that point so a lot of the the romanticism dates back to that that time unfortunately the team hasn't won a stanley cup which is where a lot of that nostalgia and that romance emanates from from championship years so <hes> you know to say that there's a lot of connection back to the pre n._h._l. Days in the bay area <hes> from time to seals left in between between i i wouldn't say there's no overwhelming amount there's some but <hes> most of the memories of the last thirty years of the team that you're now well and it's an amazing legacy that you've created <hes> for yourself literally and figuratively. They're insanity all right so last major question here and i appreciate all of this time so far given your a long and distinguished and varied career frankly in in broadcasting pro sports and in particular <hes> soccer both outdoor indoor and hockey. What are your thoughts of where those two sports are now professionally in this country and where we're headed. I think there are a lot of people who look at. M._l._s. says being stable yet yet. Maybe not sort of the real full thing which is certainly what the n._s._l. Never really sorta became. I think there are some people who look at six hundred million dollar. Our plus expansion fees in the n._h._l. For new team in seattle are we have the best times or or the beginnings of the end of a cycle. I'm just curious racist to both of those sports given your your heritage in both of them. You're you're you're off the cuff thoughts about sort of where those two sports are headed in this country. Well obviously my in my <hes> my body of work most recently has predominantly being done in the n._h._l. So i can probably speak to that <hes> most clearly and i and i i think that the n._h._l. Is on a real upswing now <hes> with what we've seen with begas and what they've created on and off the ice pushing the envelope of making making the experience of going to a game on the entertainment experience along with the hockey game and i harken back to the days when the m._i._s. l. came out with their neon on signs and smoke <hes> in the players you know cheering the fans on at the beginning of games and where you're accused back in those days of being bush league and now if you don't have some sort of an entry like that for your hockey or basketball or football team you're considered to be <hes> you know <hes> minor league and in those days it we're accused of doing it because it was minor league but <hes> i think the n._h._l. Is on an upswing you you referenced <hes> you know expansion and seattle's coming in and a couple of years and i think that'll will be a tremendous <hes> thing for the growth of the league and as far as m._l._s. goes and and the pro game in the u._s. <hes> clearly it's it's exploded. Just recently watched a timbers <hes> <hes> l._a. Game galaxy game and and just fabulous action in the atmosphere in portland and i'm. I'm not sure the n._f._l. Ever had that outside of cosmos games when pay was there. I really see the game on an upswing in the u._s. And <hes> i it's i. I just can't imagine how much greater would be had. We made it to the last world cup. Which is another whole program but <hes> you you know i i think both teams both sports are on the upswing <hes> the only thing that worries me and it worries me in soccer it worries me and hockey and i'm worried about it even more so in the n._f._l. Is concussions and as we learn more about them <hes> about the negative effects about of the the devastating effects exit times <hes> i'm concerned about that for all three sports <hes> and it might be ten or twenty years down the line where we really see the negative effects concussions and education but maybe they'll be prevention. <hes> that comes into play that will offset it. I i certainly hope so but that's that's the the only thing that i can see right now. That could hurt the growth of either of those two leagues in the u._s. I that's well said i think it's certainly something that i'm not sure we know the folds ramifications of but it certainly seems to be pretty evident if you if you look pretty closely all right so aside from your were what will be. I guess what you're thirtieth. Consecutive season as the san jose sharks play by play guy twenty nine twenty nine okay. We're getting there. I don't i'm look i'm ready had to give you another stripe and you're you're taking it back. What else you have anything else to promote or other things that you're involved in or passionate about or is the sharks your fulltime kind of <hes> a gig and <hes> and passion these days. It is my full time gig and passion <hes>. I'm working with a silicon valley start-up company here. That does a kind of an interesting <hes> thing. It's an app. It's called star sonal and you can download it and your favorite actor actor or a athlete or broadcaster can do you a personal video. Shout out <hes> so that's a cool thing and and something we're checking out but you no other than that <hes>. I'm i'm focused on the sharks. I'm focused on working in the community in the off season and trying to grow the sport here we still trail <hes> behind the the giants and the warriors and the forty niners and even the athletics <hes> the second baseball team <hes>. We won't have to worry about the raiders anymore. Good riddance. It's <hes> but you know it's still. It's still a job to <hes> to sell the sport. It's still not a natural sports in two most bay area residents but as i always tell people you know get yourself to a game go and see a live hockey game and you'll appreciate it so much more when you watch it on t._v. And i think that's the same for for for <music> outdoor soccer. You know get to a san jose earthquakes game. Go and watch it and then when you watch it on t._v. You'll appreciate it so much more all right last question. Do you ever get a hankering to do a play by play for a soccer game. Where are you past that now. Every time i watch the world cup now. I wish i was there. It's still the most amazing thing had never been involved with and and the first of all i got was in italy in nineteen ninety wearing worked with j. Paul delic camera among among others and <hes> did a game game. It was a playoff game in milan between the two arch-rivals in south america brazil and argentina and <hes> elimination game t._n._t. Not right yes t._n._t. Which had just come into being that year and it was the first live sporting event they ever put on was the world cup and i'm sitting there doing this game <hes> with ty keough like color commentator and <hes> one goal of the game claudio canasia scores on a pastor and gomorrah donna and argentina wins one nothing they'd go onto the world cup final and lose to germany and a penalty kick but <hes> to see the passion in that stadium eight thousand fans from brazil who had traveled all the way to italy for that match and then bush to see the utter devastation of that group and we were next to the brazilian announcers and unlike american sports where there's only one announce team the brazil- brazilians apparently are allowed to send announcers every broadcast entity because there seem to be a ten or twenty broadcasters from brazil but <hes> to see the emotion when that match was over in brazil had been eliminated and the broadcasters openly weeping tears streaming down their base that brazil was out of the world cup <hes> it just it gave you a sense for for the magnitude of what you were doing <hes> and another match that i did in dallas in in ninety four <hes> where we were doing nigeria and and knowing that you know sixteen hours away where it was probably four in the morning everybody in the most populated country in africa somewhere air somehow was watching that match <hes> of nigeria in the world cup and and realizing how big and how global it was and when i watched the world cup i missed that because his greatest hockey is and as as great as <hes> even doing playoffs is the global reach isn't quite the same when you're connected by something like a big world cup match match. There's there's nothing quite like it at connects you with the rest of the of the globe all right pretty cool huh good guy that randy hahn and we appreciate him taking the time to allow us to drag him back into some of the some of the interesting stops along the way before reaching the promised land with the san jose sharks and you could of course a follow all of the action this coming season with randy at the helm doing the play by play for all those sharks games on n._b._c. sports california <hes> you can also follow randy on twitter at shark voice. Let's see what else you can also follow us on our website at good seats still available dot com. Tom and that's the place to go to find all of our great episodes not just this one with randy hahn but she's the dozens and dozens of almost one hundred and thirty episodes now that we've done to the dayton and more to come you can stream them. You can download them. You can do whatever you want with them. 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