Appreciation for Editors - Still Untitled: The Adam Savage Project - 2/5/19
Welcome to still entitled the attitude. I'm will I'm at an im norm loan provided back back to the original track again. Yeah, you guys had some substitute me in last week. I I can't even remember us. You were traveling. I was well recently. I I was in the Northland I went. I went to the land. That was so cold right now that they don't have a color for it on the weather maps. Oh, really the case. It's really the case then end of US goes to purple I think, and then there's white, and then there's just clear so west I was in Chicago this weekend every year, I've been lucky enough to be invited to thing. That's put on by some friends of ours. Zack from invincibles and Fitz from talk formerly of Google who I think everybody here knows. And we do this thing called Ord camp. And I went to Chicago in the middle of January when you go in they have a sign that says takes a special kind of person to come to Chicago in January. Welcome you bat as and the very first time I ever went to Chicago was in January. Yeah. It's great to go there, man. It was brutal. I was loading some of Chico mcmurtry sculptures into the Art Institute. They're back in probably ninety to ninety three was like did was it. Let me ask. I've I have some new perspective on cold that. I know this week was not nearly as when I went it was not nearly as cold as it is this week at all. So I left I think the coldest Seagal. I was. It was like negative teens, which meant let's see if you breathe in through your nose and breathe out through your nose the moisture that that condenses on your nose hair freezes on the next inhale. So it feels like there's a Caterpillar in your nostrils, Krause, it meant that. I only wear one layer of pets most days all from California and all fly in whether my ass you like when you're walking around like the places where skin is luckily, I have a beard, and I had a hat mittens. But the like the area from the top of my beard to my glasses just felt like knives or stabbing it, and then if you've been outside for about ten minutes that also happens to your ass if you're not wearing Pence. Let's see what else. What else did? I learn. I learned that if you lay down and make a snow angel when it's that cold. It is almost certainly a mistake. And that it when she get below negative ten than it's cold enough that your skin doesn't have to be wet to stick to metal. So oh, yeah. Like it started getting tacky. When I grab door handles gloves on Monday when we were filming in. Matsue Alaska and staying at the captain cook hotel in stayed. They're just terrific fell fabulous. If you ever go to the captain cook. Again, there's a fabulous breakfast. They do we ate the eggs with salmon hat. I didn't have that. This is when you guys made those votes. No, the Belcher were made in Ketchikan. Okay. The second time we went, you know, the one thing Ketchikan needs bridge. That's that's where the bridgeton nowhere nowhere cancelled by Palin. But there's an island where you land, and you have to take a ferry to the mainland where you know. Anyway. No. That was Ketchikan was the boats when we were in Matsue we were in. That was frozen lake your dynamite dynamite fishing on a frozen lake losing the SUV into the lake. Okay. So we're back at the hotel one night, and it's like twenty five below zero. And literally so-called we're getting headaches going the sixty feet. Forget a car get the brain freeze if you don't have a hat on. But it was also like part of we were there in. Early January, and there was some kind of winter prom happening. And these Alaskan high school students were getting out of their limos in mini skirts. Walking into the hotel totally immune to that cold was incredible. So we're bundled angry. And these like girls are getting out in miniskirts fashions and not even not even responding. Did you see that video on social media was Greenland the airport? That's that runway. That's basically on a strip of ice. And it's a POV video from the cockpit of the airplane ads approaching and it's beautiful because it's like persistent goal now or at the time of year something, but basically ice on water, and you see this landing strip and the lights lining it. And it's like science fiction any lands on mazing. You just kind of you don't stop you just skin until you are no longer scans. So. So I can't talk about a lot of what goes on at camp because it's a it's a friend DA kind of unconscious thing, and I don't know if we've actually explained we've talked about this a couple of times before but we've never explained what an uncommon says. And it's kind of it's kind of I would describe it as a super inclusive thing, depending on how you do your invitations and stuff now, but they do a really good job of getting people of of diverse viewpoints and perspectives and backgrounds and everything and then the people that they invite kind of determine what the topics are. So I went to sessions about playing the accordion and learning to write up song. And I went to I went to like, I there were a couple of astronauts there. So I got to go to astronaut sessions fantasy camp there were board games, and like unreleased board games and old classic stuff. Like there was up so much LEGO millennium. Falcon that was just set up there that people would kind of sit down and figure out Norman I've done this a bunch with these. Big projects it's hard to divvy that stuff up and the people they were just kind of sit down and spontaneously figure out. Okay. You do this part? I'll do this part. You find some pieces all do some pieces. Yada, yada. A lot of like novel foods to taste one of local beekeeper always brings Honey she's collected from all around and all around town. Hell like, oh, this is where the Lincoln berries are. And this is where the gra- this is worth clover is and all this stuff. But I got a new sensation this week. What does that mean? We'll so you're you're you're in your mid thirties. Norm, you're in your mid fifties. Adam I'm in my mid forties. It's unusual that I feel something you like pro proprietor. Censor proprietorship Shen has a new stimulus at this point in my life like physical since I've felt I felt I felt burning. I felt cold. I felt stabbing. I felt all the different all the normal stuff the love shouted covered. Yeah. The the the love of of a human being. A cognitive neuroscience taught me how to how to get dizzy in a new way. Yeah. So we can share. It's like. I didn't ask you. But I think it'll be okay. So you're vestibular system. Your inner ear has tubes. Three tubes. And they're all into different ways. Which is why we have a six axis gyroscope at our head, basically. Right right and liquid sloshes around hits the hairs inside your ear. And that's that's what determines what how we feel where where we feel like the center of the earth is point of gravity pulling us down. And if you spin then what happens in stops suddenly than the spinning the liquid sloshes up when the centripetal force pushes it to the edge of those canals. And then when he stops suddenly sloshes, so we've all sat in an office chair in spun right, and then stopped and you'd like on dizzy if you tilt your head down. So that if you're listening to the audio if you make your the front of your face parallel with the floor, right and spend a chair and then stop suddenly instead of a vertical dizziness. This is like a horizontal horizontal dizziness. This is this is the second racist. Right. Then what happens is when you stop and look up, then your eyes will keep trying to track left and right as you're going back and forth. So. With the ISO would vomited. So so this is the interesting thing she said, some people are way more sensitive to one than others to the point that like she said she can only do one of them like a half a turn before. She's like, I don't want to do this anymore. This is bad because I mean, you're gone if you get nauseous that's the next two hours. Well, and so we were talking because we were talking about VR stuff for obvious reasons. And I was like look I've noticed that there's a real spectrum on the VR world of people who feel no motion sickness like me who people feel a lot of motion sickness like my wife, and you're you're pretty sensitive to norm somewhere in the middle. Little the other end some. But the thing I never felt both of those kinds of motion sickness of spinning before the third one was brand new. So you told us your ear is perpendicular is parallel to the floor and then spend in the office chair and stop suddenly and. Like, you have no sense of forward and backwards. Like, do don't do this don't do this. If you don't have somebody there to catch you when you get your almost certainly going either fall backwards or forwards. L are thinking about this like off the chair, you're leaning. So I asked that and she said, no, she said all you're doing is getting the center getting the liquid sloshing up on the sides. And then stopping suddenly, right, right? So you hit the hairs. It's it seems like you can maybe tolerate tolerated more if you're on access, but I think that that's my theory not official signs. So it's a fascinating weekend. It's like it's a it's a rat event. I highly recommend people look on conferences. You can host them yourself. You just need a place an interesting people to invite you don't need like, you know, you don't need big sponsors or anything like that you need a room, and some people some maybe some food is that the kind of thing where everyone has to present. No, you don't. So. So they have the way the way they do the actual scheduling is at the they have an opening session where they kind of say, hey, here's why you hear the new people. And then they let usually different groups go this year. I think they picked even number birthdays. I so you get like half the people out there at once and they have these big boards. Have all the rooms that are available all the spaces. That are available and our longtime slots in each one. So people take a big three by five posted card posted note. Right there pitch idea on it smack it up on the board. And then over the next two or three hours. People will come by and stick little little little dots. Those little paper dots on the one. So you can kind of move the ones to indicate that they're interested in the session. And what that does is. Let's the organizers kind of the ones that have more interested into the bigger rooms, and the ones that have less the smaller rooms, but it kind of self organizes, it's really it's really neat process. And and you know, as opposed to a normal conference. It goes from like nine o'clock in the morning until five o'clock. And then you go home and go to a bar or something hang out with people that you met that day. This one starts at like ten and goes until six o'clock in the morning, sometimes lag people stay up late at in the wee hours. People are playing like where will and making music and working on LEGO, singing, karaoke, and all sorts of stuff. It's a it's a it's a it's I find. It always interesting to get a big giant group of interesting people together and let them chat. What if you're incredibly socially awkward and have a lot of social anxiety? So. This is funny because one of the things that we have talked about in the post of post wraps of these is imposter syndrome, right? I think I have it almost every conference. I go everybody does. I mean like there's sociopaths and these people have imposter somewhere on that spectrum. Right. One of the ways that you fix imposter syndrome was by talking about it, right? Like, the cure for imposter syndrome is acknowledging that hey, everybody has a positive imposter syndrome is the idea that like that person that I'm looking at over there definitely deserves to be here. But I have no idea why I'm here. And here's like I have a great test case for why it's important to talk about imposter syndrome five six years ago. I was having coffee with a good friend who was about who is about my age, and I talked about the syndrome, and he was like step there. But what is that? And I explained and he looked like white is it ghost. And he said I thought it was only me, and I was like, oh, buddy. I'm so glad to welcome you to the club. So an so one of the things that fits ANZAC do at the beginning is they say, look, everybody's here because for reason, right? The if you were invited to come here your or your application was accepted. You are interesting. And you have something to add whether it's in terms of presenting or sharing something that you know, or just asking questions or listening and being generally interesting, right? Like, there's no there's no right or wrong and everybody contributes, and it's a it's a lovely weekend. So I have a variation on that. Okay. The finish definition you gave imposter syndrome of being at a van Orna room any place where you feel like the other person in the room. But definitely belongs there, and you don't belong. I think the variation. I have is not that they belong here. But that someone in my field should be here. Instead of me. I think I mean, I think that's a that's very apt. Yeah. That's right. It's not like an extension of someone. Could be taking more advantage of this opportunity than what I can do with it. Yes. We'll so the other thing the other thing that they do, and this is another part of being inclusive that isn't necessarily related to gender or ethnicity, your religion, or whatever. But I think fits calls us when the pacman role. So if you're sitting in a cluster of people, and you're having a chat outside the conference hall or whatever look to your right look to your left. There's a gap. If there's not a gap in that circle of people that you're talking to make enough room that somebody can just kind of Seidel up and join the conversation, if they want nice, and that that's something like that. That is a it's good for listening exercises because I think at least Adam you, and I probably have problems listening sometimes. America org. Much better listener than either of recovery later. Oh, what was that? What was I I feel the whole. But yeah, make make your circles like pacman, and sort of like a circle when you're at a group, and then you'll meet interesting people because people will see that you're talking about something that they're interested in and they'll want to join they always have something. Good dad. Yeah. So you there you go. That's really cool. That's I mean, it's much more vocal about my about the social anxiety that I have and didn't acknowledge for a long long long. But you're not supposed to talk about that stuff. Adam. Jess no of they'd be. You know what else? Can you do them? As you got. We got to talk about it. Because otherwise we end up with people denying that things like man's planning exists. And then you're just like what you know. How could you even start a discussion? Well, I mean, so there's a conference is a festival in Portland every few every once in a while called Exo Exo, I think norm we've all been. I yeah. So I went to the very first one, and I immediately made a couple of friends in the first three hours. I was there. And then I hung out with those people the rest of the weekend. And it was great. It was a lovely time. But when I went back and saw all the people posting about that weekend. And saw all the other interesting people there were there that I missed just hung out with three people. I was comfortable with really like. Well, I've really boned this up have I that's so sedan foam. Oh, yeah. Look foam owes a real fo fellow is real positive syndrome. Also real. Be role in your role in the next time. I went a couple years later, I made a point to go up and introduce myself everybody who I thought was interesting anybody I wanted to meet, and it was a it was a, but I mean both of them were transformative experiences, but that second one and it's hard to do like. Yeah. No matter. No matter who you are what you do. It's always like, oh God, I introduced myself to skulls e again while we were there this weekend. So okay. I met you at stock. And he was like, oh, right. Yeah. I remember being Woodstock. But I'm sorry. That's okay. Actually, a lot of people. John does. Yeah. Yes. He's a busy, man. So what do you guys do while I was freezing my ass off in Chicago? I'm and I'm I'm as I will be for the next several for the next dozen weeks or so I am I'm still in production on this new project. We are this is airing. Jesse? Yes. So by the time, he listed this all have already been and come back from a film, filming shoot in the desert. Okay. And then a little trip to Los Angeles to take care of some other business and shoots going this. Just an incredible crew. We're making some beautiful televisions for different than what I've made before. Although it will also feel quite familiar. I it's really exciting. It's it's it's a really really neat thing that we're doing. So this is this is the first time in a while you've Mythbusters junior the I mean, obviously the last ten season of Mythbusters were informed by the first few seasons of Mythbusters. The Mythbusters juniors informed by everything that came before. Mythbusters? This is the first time in a while you've made something that was kind of from scratch. Well, and obviously it's got a ton of the same DNA that Mythbusters does because it's because it's me. Yeah. Of course, that's just in my bones about the way that I tell stories. But yes, there's an opportunity to kind of do something different. It's I think of it is less than opportunity than a requirement. Right. But also we've just made decisions to film certain things in different ways. And to choose to cover different aspects of the narrative, and then once it's in the edit suite, then a show comes out of that. We're and we're not sure what that shows gonna feel like, right? Like, that's the that's the coolest part to me is that you do your best onset. And then in post this show comes out of it. And the the fact is that the first rough cut of post I talked about this last time with junior the first rough cut out of post always unhinges me because it's not a show yet. Right. It's just an assembly of the story, but it doesn't have a point of view, and you kind of find that point of view in the first two or three episodes. And then you start to understand what you're what you're working with. It's it's that's that's been really fun. This reminds that you read that I owe nine interview with one of the editors of Black Panther. I did and captain marvel Berman is her name. Yes. And it was exactly what you're talking about. But for film, and I realize that also apply the TV shows and interview with Charles porn, more toy worth reading on nine. But the insights what people say about films truth films are made my multiple times when it's written when it's shot, and when it's edited and from her perspective as an editor she said, she at a film with out having it's almost like being dropped into the kitchen when when the meals are even half cooked. But she's cooking it then her way like without any of the direction is she thinks she does the first cut pass without talking about talking to anybody. But as as a totally fresh pair of eyes. Yeah. And that's Martin Scorsese is. Has been very vocal in his career that editing is the one aspect of filmmaking. That's different than any other narrative, art form of filmmaking uses all the other narrative art forms, but editing is its own things. Like, you have a found footage film. You'll find data to walks into a room. There's a bunch of footage, and they have to figure out how to glued altogether. It's it's not just about reviewing takes them picking out the best take from your perspective as an editor. But also she says she reviews like the minutes before takes began in the minutes after just the fuel the energy onset yet. What said between the actress between the directors and the crew just so that's how she absorbs the tone. And if you're if you're curious about this process at all, I strongly recommend you try filming something on your phone a few shots that you lay out. Okay. I need this this this and then try cutting them together in a movie, just probably simple. And it'll give you this gargantuan amount of respect for editors because. The the amount of of finesse you can have in the pacing of a story just by choosing between one frame and the next frame for cutting and the way a set of cuts pace together. And when you take a series of shots, and you find a way to cut them together that you don't notice the cuts are happening, but you're just experiencing a story. Holy cow. That is it's magic. Yeah. Yeah. What's the documentary that Joey used to recommend when people asked about any do you remember when it's the same name as the ice skating movie? Oh, the final cut final cut. No, no, no final. It's the cutting edge cutting edge there. Yes. Thank you. I like the way you guys worked. Yes. Cutting edge, very good ice skating topic. Yes. It's no. But it's a spectacular documentary explains. Like, it explains it's it's almost like film school one hundred like your it explains both editing history. Like like why we no longer do establishing shots in when somebody like when somebody changes venue in the seventies. You would always do in a saddle like in all the president's men. Woodward and Bernstein, go into the Washington Post. You have an exterior shot of the front door of the Washington Post says the Washington Post there, we don't do that anymore because people know what a newsroom looks like. And if you see a say, Lois lane and Clark Kent in a superman movie sitting in the daily planet newsroom, we all know that that's a newsroom, it's a bunch of deaths with computers on them and phones. And like they don't have to explain hey, the guys have returned to the to the newsroom. Stuff like that stuff. Like how you do cross cuts and stuff like that. All all of the things that it's kind of. It's another thing like letting right? It's a thing that once you once you once you understand it and see how it happens, you'll see it everywhere. And you'll be able to appreciate when it's awesome. It's totally true. And so I was talking to the post supervisor the guy who'd be overseeing all the cutting of the show came onto the set for the first few days, and we spent a lot of time talking we share a lot of cultural commonalities, he's just about my age from the same part of the country from the east coast, New York tristate area, and that gave us a little bit of a shorthand with each other. But also handed him my sketchbook instead spend a couple of hours just flipping through the sketchbook this'll give you an idea of the way, I approach my ideas, and the way I approach what I'm working on. And that might be germane to how we how we do graphics and post, and if you want to scan any of this stuff we can use that to. It's just like for the film director going back to analog before she went to edit. Plug a Black Panther. It's got a list of favorite films. Remind Kugler Ryan was surprised by. Oh, wow. Much darker grittier films than I had expected. But it wasn't like edit the scene this way. It's like these are my favorite films. Oh, I now have a sense of what your point from because it's all and that's a again, that's a really good director. Because you don't want to say edit, this film, this way, you don't wanna sit in the you you want to let the editor show you something. You didn't see about the footage you shot. You wanna let the post people we had this in the last couple of seasons of Mythbusters. We had a little extra dough in post and Katie the graphic supervisor at beyond productions, we just got this incredible. Charged to after the shows were cut. She got an extra week with each episode is that when they were doing like the dotted lines at them. So good layer in all that super graphics. And it was it added so much to on that stuff is expensive. Yeah, it's hard to do. It's hard to find people that can do it. Well, there's animation. There's graphics all the stuff around it. But when you really get to spend time layering that in you, just you make better you make better story is one of the reasons like shows, ignores rations when when Borden was doing was so good because they took that very seriously and every episode was edited and shot differently in the experimented with the formats, and you felt the. Jim, oh, del Toro. I I asked him. How do you rent? A a an art department was seventy five people. How do you tell each one of them went to draw muscle? And he said you gotta give everyone a completely free rein within a very narrow bandwidth. And it's a great way to talk about working with the team because you want people's ideas, you want them to bring their creativity and their point of view to your project. It's going to make it better. When you have that diverse. All those diverse viewpoints. It's funny. There was a post yesterday. I wish I could remember who did it. But basically said look we all know that Phantom Menace is a terrible movie. But it's a terrible movie with incredible art direction. And if you look at like, the diversity of the sets when you when you in posted a series of stills, and it was like new boo above water, new below water. Chorus on all the different places. Yeah. The Senate chambers, which is the first place you saw that. Natalie Portman, costumes, and like, it is it is there if you look at those still good God man, this movie is amazing. If you're a friend of mine told me exactly how to watch the prequels just turn the sound off. No, watch them in another language with subtitles his terrible dialogue is not so bad when you're reading it. That's interesting. This is he was a tricky taught me for seeing final fantasy the spirits with it. Right. And he was like great there. Joan watch it in English the scruple make you wanna cut yourself. He said watch it. He said try and get a Japanese DVD and watch it in Japanese with English subtitles, it'll feel totally awesome. And he was completely right? But they must subtitles is the dialogue from the script English yards in. It's not like a realization terrible. It's just less terrible. When you can kind of put it in your own. You're not listening to we'll see it was like localization where like jazz later translated back. I I think you're the one who told me that the the the not Janet on the good place in the second season bad Janet, Janet, I love. No, no, no, no, not bad. You bet. Good, john. It's boyfriend. Can't remember his name? Oh. Oops. All right. Sorry about that everybody. What an idiot. I'll show you video afterwards Janet, Janet Janet's could Janet's boyfriend Derrick Derrick, Derrick who's dialogue. Marketing Jackson told me. They translate into another language and then back into English, which seems perfect. Oh, it does. I always wonder how editor directors do their thing. And I know because Ryan Johnson does that right? He added his own movies. I think maybe I'm making that up. I'm not sure I look, I think of editing. Look I've done stop motion animation. I've done it enough to know that I that I could do it if you force me to, but it's a very specific gene pool of people who need to animate, we've met a lot of them through Tempa, etc. And I know that's not my gene pool and same with editing. I've done it. I've learned enough about it to have genuine deep respect for the practitioners of of it at a high level, and it's not my, gene pool. But like I could really understand being a director Steven Soderbergh shoots his own movies. And I totally can see that you know, he wants. That's how he is. He knows he's going to be able to get the movie he wants he's holding onto the camera. I just I just like, I know enough about editing editing videos on the internet to know that I can hack something together and make it look. Okay. But there's a big difference between that and and making something that just a Vokes emotion with your cuts and your shot choices and stuff like that. It's incredible. It really govt. There's a great editing blog art of the cut and the guy who runs it has access to a lot of a lot of big editors action compiled all these interviews into a book, they can find on Amazon. I also called art of the cut. And things like learned that when Steven Spielberg was directing the post he was doing the post and ready player one at same time editing both on the same editing team, which is great for them. Because totally get the take a step back. Oh, no, exactly doing each. Have. You have you watched all the president's men. And then followed it up with the post is those like in the timeline. Those are basically one after the other right, right? Right. Right to quench really. And they're like they're shot. Like, they colored rated the film in the post to feel like a nineteen seventies era. It's it's an amazing. Like, I I love all the president's men one of my favorite. Yeah. Not getting a story. Okay. So the documentary that documentaries and cutting edge anything else. I listen, Tony has Tony Joe ever done a thing on edit. He must have done a thing on editing in every frame painting. I've just not climbing down. I that. Yeah. Yeah. I was trying. So we were at we were eating at foreign cinema last night. And they were playing vertigo CEOs just goes on really good. And I seem to remember I couldn't remember it was Tony or not I forgot to go. Look it up when I got home. But there's a there is an online analysis of a long scene between Jimmy Stewart and a psychiatrist I think yes, when he's in the institution the last time, you see midge, I think she walks out the institution and in its heath is he talks about he's obsessed. But this this whole scene is involves all these camera angles and Hitchcock doing all of the storytelling by the choice of angles. And the way he's cutting and pasting the scene, and I was trying I was watching it at foreign cinema last night and try to remember. Who had done a piece because I wanted to go watch distracting when they play a movie that's too good at parts. The we've gone there. I mean, I eat there. Probably once a month either dinner or breakfast to breakfast now. Did you brunch on weekends? That is amazing. Let's say vertigo story. Just before. But one point we went there three times in a month. And that month they were playing. One car wise in the mood for love, which I don't know if you've seen it you've seen Wockhardt wise in the mood for love. You know, when you bite into something. And it's so good. But different that you're like, I clearly know nothing about food. Yeah. Right. You take in something. That's so other. It changes your whole perspective on that landscape in the mood for love made. It clear to me that I know nothing about color in film. It is mind blowing dive into the power of color as a as an emotional driver of the plot. Like, a Stanley dawn in film is so incredible. And he won't car why use a safety for a lot of films in Australian men whose name escapes me right off the top of my head. But in the mood for love. He did a hero as well. But that if he was this is the same. Oh, really? Okay. You're right. A such an amazing film again foam, I barely remember what I ate because in the mood for love is so distracting lovely. I guess that makes watching films in foreign cinema. And having that sense memory. It's a sinister Asia experience as you're eating some delicious food right being vote in the back in the corner of your I know he. Like, well, it's inception right there in there accepting a feeling into you with food, and then they're also glomming onto a movie that's spectacular often. I watched vertigo recently was on TV with my housemates who'd been not seen it before haven't seen. And it was like you're the end of the film. I don't get this film. And so I jumped up out on my couch and had the remote a, you know, how like DVR can on like YouTube TV or something you can scroll back and forth, and you see like on that flex and you see the small thumbnail, I use the thumbnails the PowerPoint presentation as I jumped back and forth to point out points. And went on a fifteen minute motion the restaurant scene in glowing green in the mail gays, and it was easy way to go back and forth while that is. Well, yeah. And then I sat down reminding me that in high school, my best friend wanted to show be Quadrophenia. And we were watching Quadrophenia, and I was like, oh is that sting? Oh my God. I think that's sting, and he was like, okay, any paused it, and he was like, I don't think you understand Quadrophenia on the television. And you're talking. Please stop. Here's a little bit of a debt. Okay. Yeah. I I had the exact opposite experience. I watched Star Trek discovery on the plane. Yeah. And I hadn't watched Star Trek discovery at the TV show the TV show. And I think you told me it starts slow, and then it gets. Okay. And that's that's accurate. That's all. That's all. I got. I got no feedback other than that. It's okay. That's it. Yeah. Well, all right. Okay. Awesome. Okay. Here's here's my here's my here's my analysis of the first ten episodes of Star Trek discovery or only ten episodes this fifteen. Okay. And there's two new ones now. It is an interesting premise with some really I have some real problems with the early character development. They introduced characters solely for you to hate. And then redeem them over the next two episodes of each of after the introduction of the character. And it doesn't unlike every other track which starts out with. Hey, here's a crew that is a unified cohesive team. This one starts this is maybe a spoiler. But it happens in the first thirty minutes with a mutiny, which doesn't seem very roddenbury. Now. Oh, it's not good after you get past the first five episodes. It gets it. They like so far of the first ten episodes, which I've watched they've had maybe two episodes that feel like classic track. And then the rest of them feel like a war movie, it feels a little bit like a submarine movie. A lot from like Liga sixties like run silent run deep or no older than that run silent. Run deep a little more tense a little bit less. You know, let's send the new kid down into the bowels to die. It's in and gets kind of intense, and then deals with some some philosophical stuff that isn't entirely vapid. Speaking of submarine movies, the star of one of the great ones crimson tide. Oh, yeah. Gene. Burns your keys, sir. Gene, Hackman turned. I think eighty nine the other day how? Yeah. No. I know Gene, Hackman is French connection. I'm a huge, Gene Hackman is like. We've talked about this before, but they're actors that whenever they're in a movie, you know, that that movie is going to be better. And there are people like Aaron Eckhart, Don Cheadle, Gene, Hackman, you put them in any movie any role, and they're going to do something interesting with William fick nurse. Another us. What's is was Gene Hackman and conspiracy theory or enemy of the state enemy of the state and the state he actually played the same character. Hurry, call that he played in Coppola the conversation. Wait what really? Yes. I had no idea. Okay. It's kind of done as an Easter egg. But however when you see gene Hackman's characters early youthful ide-, they're using a picture of Harry, call from the conversation. Oh my God. So head cannon. Why? Yeah. Also Poseidon invents five adventure adventure. French connection is my lex Luther superman. You know, what I'm gonna go until you those early superman movies when you go back and watch them now. They're they're not as good as you. Remember that being a great rhetorical flourish in the first superman movie where he says because he wants to detonate some nuclear explosives and drop California into the Pacific Ocean. He says, it's okay, we all have our faults minds in California. I always liked that joke. I got that the movie came out. I got that joke of made me feel good to very like comic horror. We're going to pull something's in the comic books and put it into this film. Here we go says Richard Donner pulled it off. But Gene Hackman also comes out of comes out of that nineteen seventies. I feel like he's a direct result of the cast of Eddie's revolution where early seventies. Hollywood started casting what they thought of as ugly people like Dustin Hoffman roles because they were great actors, but they weren't just they weren't pretty and Hackman comes out of I think that that early in the film a shift in the way, we made movie so. They thought Hackman wasn't an attractive, man. Yup. Look, I mean, I mean, this is on a continuum. I mean, I guess if you have Cary Grant over here ackman is a level. All standing next to Cary Grant, and Robert Redford, and they're both together in the navy. Not classic film. Runaway jury with John cusak. How in the John Grisham movie the based on the John Grisham books? So I think so. Yeah. Runaway jury is John Grisham film. But wait, which one is runaway jury runaway jury is the one where they load the jury and John Q second. I believe ritual Weiss or in on it to get him on the jury. That's a hell set test to to to make the right call and Gene Hackman plays like the agent the operative who know the behind the scenes tries to load the jury and get the defense. And then Dustin Hoffman is the the goodhearted prosecutor. So the secret of John Grisham novels. There are three good ones. There's the firm made into a okay movie with Tom Cruise. Let's say a book on it by Thors. Well is not my doors. There's a time to kill which is the one that got made the move Sam Jackson, which is AXA Matthew. Econo- hair? Sandra Bullock's horrific mood sexual movie. And then the last one is pelican brief pelican brief phenomenal. Julia Roberts, wonderful movie was Denzel Washington, Elliot. Robertson Sam shepherd. I believe plays professor that dies in the beginning spoilers. Yeah. Those are the only three held John Grisham book ranks leaving. I've read another John Grisham movie book that I didn't hate do know there's a lot that you don't hate. But those are the three good ones. Yeah. That's that's my that's send your comments tested dot com. Rainmakers about insurance. It's great. It's fabulous. It's the best book about insurance I've ever read weight. But this is the one that was a movie starring Matt Damon. I didn't see the movie Louisiana courtroom made all the radiators for that movie. Really? No. For jamie. I've got a piece of one of them over there under Neath. The I was wondering why you had a radiator in the shop because it's always cold as we made. Shot they shot in a landmark courtroom in New Orleans. And then they replicated that courtroom on Treasure Island for a bunch of extra scenes, and when they did the thirteen radiators that they that were in the original courtroom. It was it was cheaper to have us build them from scratch than it was to ship like eighteen hundred pounds of raid heat from wherever they were around the country. Well, I guess that's I mean, no better place to stop them. From the coldest part of the country right now to fake heated. So it just to be clear. It was cold. When I was there. It's really really cold. Now, it's frozen. Water boiling water up in the air. And it turns into into snow. Also, let's please stop throwing boiling water at each other. Apparently every year like dozens of are harmed and burnt by boiling water being thrown at each other trying to get YouTube videos known. Yeah, I was just reading about injuries happening as a result. Don't throw the boiling water each other don't if you spin if you try to do the new kind of spinning make sure you have a spotter. Maybe don't do it while you're driving. I'm just going to go out there and say, that's good advice. You're maybe if some places we called you don't have to go out of the house. Don't go tape up your windows and on the heater extra high. And look I got into a car and the person who's driving like, hey, can you rub? Your mitten on the inside of the window. So I can see out of the rear view mirror on the side. And I was like. Wait, this that I'm the frost. That's on the inside of the window that I'm rubbing off is is the the water from your breath. Right. When you wrote in the car last time. Yeah. Yup. This is people shouldn't live here. This is not a good place for seventy Susie say that to somebody in Chicago. And yeah, it's not that bad. 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