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Cat's Eye (1985)


Everyone chat cemetery is back. As is drew Dietsch. We're talking all about cats. I today, which is a feature film that includes three stories from Stephen King to were collected nightshift and one is original to the screenplay, drew. What made you choose this feature film to talk about even though it's sort of just three shorts put together. Well, as as listeners will now from Creepshow, I'm a I'm a sucker Fran Thalji films. And I think that cats is actually kind of a minorly important movie for the Stephen King filmography. It's he's writing the script adapting a couple of his short stories. But also, there are a lot of factors that go into this movie that I think start to really build the idea of a sin. Matic inter-connectivity to Stephen king's works. And I think that's kind of fascinating it might be more fascinating than the actual movie. But. You know, I it's directed by Lewis Teague who had directed cujo. There's this whole opening sequence that has cameos from cujo and Christine and at one point we see the dead zone the film playing on television. So I think for that alone cats, I is kind of remarkable at this point for Stephen King on film, because it's the first time that I think there is a knowing almost wink, wink, at the audience, like, hey, isn't it fun that all these things exist together, we're kind of rewarding you for being Stephen King nerds? And that's something. He's done in his books for a very long time. He's always getting very meadow. With it. You know, you'll have someone reading a Stephen King book in a Stephen King book or something. And and while that is certainly a little self congratulatory. It's it's part of what I think is is what readers of his love. It's like oh trying to piece together all these connections. And Where'd certain towns lie on a map in relation to each other? It's why we get something like the show Castle Rock where it's just that's kind of the big selling point. But cats, I think is the I I I would venture to say the first time on film that it is. So in your face. It's not like these are little Easter eggs. You have to really be squinting to find. It's right out the gate, like here's cujo, here's Christine if you don't know, it's Christine it the car has a bumper sticker. That says I am Chris. But, but yeah, I think we can kind of get into the film in general, especially like like I said because this is Stephen King has the sole writing credit on it. So this is pretty much straight from his brain that gives off the impression to that. These are going to be pretty accurate to the stories for the first two, and because I have read so many things at this point. I don't remember the exact details of quitters Inc. But what I do. Remember of it? This seemed very accurate to the story because this is a story about going to the extreme. Or, you know, I'd probably phrase it as beyond the extreme to hear someone's addiction to cigarettes, and you get these moments where you can tell that these characters are kind of like, this is crazy, and you get that feeling while you're watching too you're like this is way way too. And it's still in joy -able for some of it. And I do think, you know, some of the moments in this movie throughout the three stories were a little too over the top for my liking. But at the same time, you know, they had to do that. I think to make these stories work quitters Inc. Sets a really kind of bizarre precedent for the rest of the movie because yeah, I will call almost anything horror, and there are horror elements and cats I, but this is almost like king at his purest expression of dark humor. It's it's not really a movie that's trying to scare you so much as it's kind of trying to make you laugh, and then feel guilty about laughing and quitters Inc is sets that tone because the whole set of being that James woods plays this character dick Morrison who who wants to quit smoking. And he's. Exhaust all of their options. So he goes to this company. Quitters inc. That will they're gonna do it like they're going to change your life. But he doesn't know exactly what their methods are. And if if you're not sure that this already sounds like a wacky over the top setup when he walks into quitters Inc. The slogan of the company on their office is the final solution which carries with it some pretty dark connotation, but it sets up it's like, okay. This is going to be weird and twisted and James woods. He sees this. Really distraught guy sitting in the lobby who gets his wife back, and they look super pale, and it's all played for really dark comedy. And I like that attempt. But I think it's kind of a one note joke, and that can work I think in a short story literary form, but trying to have it cinematic and have sort of an arc. It's it's a little bit weaker. And I think that's why prob. The best part of quitters Inc. Is this moment where James woods is at a party? And he just sees smoking everywhere. And it just starts going over the top where his friend played by James red horn is like smoking like forty cigarettes or something smokes blowing out of his ears and giant cigarette. Cartons or walking around dancing, and there's just like cigarettes littered all over the floor. He imagined this weird musical. It's it's totally cartoon nuts. And it's like, okay. Yeah. This is this is a fun interpretation of try, you know, trying to get over some kind of addiction. And it just totally owning you but narrative -ly, it's. Yeah. I think that's how I felt about a lot of this movie. And we'll definitely talk about it more as a whole at the end. But with quitters Inc. You have these fantastic cast members, and I would say actually throughout you have some pretty big names who pop up in these stories, and when you have James woods and Alan king going back and forth. Together, you can tell there something there. But I don't think they fully capitalize on it. Because then you have Alan king just going very over the top. And James woods is clearly trying to play it cool, but also keep up with him at the same time. And there was this banter that I think they could have explored a little more, and it would have made those moments a little better. But then you have that moment at the end to where you can tell that day. Dick isn't taking the thing too. Seriously. Even after his wife is taken because she ends up fine afterwards. But then they make the comment about cutting off a pinkie or something like that. And they make the toast to quitters Inc. And then he sees the wife missing part of her finger where which which feels like the punch line of a dark joke. It doesn't feel like a narrative conclusion art like, oh, yeah. They really will do this. It's like what we we've seen that the entire premise of this company is that they will kidnap your family and torture them. If you smoke a cigarette, we know they'll do that. So this reveal at the end of all my gosh, they really will cut off someone's pinky doesn't have a an emotionally satisfying punch it. It's funny. Like, it's it's horribly grotesquely funny. But that's really about it. And I think if the if the work between dick. And his his wife Cindy play by Mary Darcy, if that had been stronger, I think maybe the emotional stakes would have felt more real. But it really is kind of just a a lark of an idea. And and so I can't imagine that there was an intention for this to pay off as kind of like, oh man that really, you know, sucked the wind out of the audience or anything. It's like, no, this is kind of a wacky over the top joke, and and probably one that has some basis in reality. Like when I was watching it this time, I was thinking about like those companies that this is real thing. Those companies who you can hire to kidnap you. Yeah. And like, and it's like, okay. So this idea of crazy extreme companies like giving your life over to them is is certainly in a fascinating thing to explore. But I think kings approach is just to do it as a as a joke. And as a joke it works. But is something that has kind of a beginning a middle and an end, satisfying wise. I think it's pretty shaky. Yeah. Exactly. I do want to quickly note to that drew Barrymore's appearance in this one is very very brief. Basically, the cat is staring at a mannequin in a storefront window, and all of a sudden drew Barrymore sort of marks into the mannequin kind of or over the mannequin. It's a very weird effect that I was like, okay. So clearly, you just wanted to get drew Barrymore and all of these stories, even though the first one didn't really feel like it had a purpose. It's like, okay. So the cat is going to go find this girl, cool, while the it's interesting, apparently, there was a prologue that they cut out of the movie that that was going to start the movie, and it's about why this cat is trying to find this girl, and what it's entire kind of purpose in the store. He is. I mean, I I kind of love the fact that the opening of cats, I is a cat's eye opening that just that's my kind of like, yeah. It's clever and fun and sets a good mood. But yeah, the the cat sees her manifest into this like ghost mannequin thing. And then drew Barrymore does play James woods daughter sh-. Who's at the? Oh, yes. Yeah. I forgot about that part. I think it's called Saint Stephen. Yeah. So it's like a nod to Stephen King within the movie that he clearly wrote in himself. I mean, see the the moment with his wife and his daughter were so not memorable. I was like. Oh, yeah. That happened. And I literally just watch this the other day, and I already forgot about it. But so she plays kind of like two different characters because the one you see in the store front does not look like the daughter at the school. It looks more. Like the drew Barrymore. We see in the final sequence Wong. I think that's because the cat continues to see her pop up and Jan ways. And it's like, okay, it's leading her to this little girl for a reason when we get to the the last story, but yeah, I just found I think that was my biggest problem with quitters Inc. Lake that moment, he like goes to this academy because his it appears that his daughter's like has special needs or something. And so she's at this special school, and he's bringing her a gift, and then sees Alan king kind of menacingly watching him because earlier when he was. Signing up for his like, oh, you didn't stayed on your entry form where your daughter goes to school. So it's like, oh, they know where she is. They can get a hold of her. And I think again, if there was stronger work in making me care about, you know, dick and his family as like real people than maybe there would be more weight to the peace that beyond just being kind of a an over the top gag, but this segment never really gets there. Yeah. I definitely agree with you. I think it's time to move onto the ledge because this story is a story that has the tables turned. And I mean, you spend a lot of time with this building and its ledges and a pigeon. Yes. Well, it's interesting. You know, I I love Creepshow, and I was on the Creepshow episode for this. And I've seen cats I before in this time around I realize like, oh, the ledge is very clearly a sort of riff on the segment from Creepshow something. Tide you over where it's this very rich over the top Blake bad guy. Yeah. And instead of Leslie Nielsen this time played by Kenneth MacMillan as his character's names cressner. And he finds out that his wife has been having an affair with this guy this younger good looking guy. Play by Robert Hays. His name is Johnny John. And these kind of washed up tennis player and calls himself a tennis bomb, which I think is just funny and cressner has decided to kidnap Johnny and make him this bed of like, hey, if you can walk out on this ledge on the top of this building walk around the entire building. And come back. I'll give you a bunch of money, and you can have my wife, and I'm like, okay. This is a this is very much a nother framework just like something to tide you over except this one is obviously not supernatural and a little bit more. Straightforward. And again, this is another one where I'm like, I bet the the actual short story is pretty good. I I have a horrible fear of heights. So I can understand the the inherent terror of this idea. And I like the the set work the set work that they do to make this kind of force perspective when they show a bunch of the kind of bird's eye view shots looking down at the street. That's all model work, obviously, it's not actually as far as its portraying. So I like all that that's very kind of old school Hollywood. Yeah. But this is another one where the idea kind of stops at itself where it's like, well, wouldn't it be creepy or crazy of somebody had to do them? Like. Yeah. It would be okay. I think the thing with these two stories so far is that visually? It's something you can pull off in a movie but plot y is there's just not enough meat there to really make you care about these characters. It's like, okay. This guy is going to walk around the ledge. It is very very windy, and you get that in the sound that they're using you know, you can hear the hi Mitch win because they're making it seem like they're so high up, and then you have this crazy criminal who is shooting him with a fire hose and doing all these crazy things to try and make him fall off. And you know, it's a little unrealistic that is many times as he lost his balance. He did not fall off. And I think the first time it happened. It almost looked like his shirt was attached to the wall. I don't know that at all when he does shrink from the shirt to the wall. And I was. Like, yeah. No. He would have fallen already. Yeah. This feels kind of like it's Omar djing specifically some older Hitchcock films like vertigo, and I can't remember the one right now. But there's one that takes place on the the torch of the statue of liberty where it's just all of this. You know, big set work and fear of heights and falling. And and I can appreciate the artifice of it is just like a fun concept. But like you said again, I I don't think there's enough meat on the characters bones to make me care about them beyond beyond. Pure human empathy of like, I feel bad that that guy has to walk across this ledge. But you know, there's no real good establishment of the relationship that Johnny has with Christner's wife like the only the only I would actually say Kenneth MacMillan probably comes out looking the best because before his story kind of kicks. Off proper. We get a sense of him as a character because him and another person see our lead cat trying to cross a busy intersection. And they start taking bets about like. Oh, yeah. I bet you the cattle make it. I bet you won't. And like, okay. So this is a guy who is a high roller. He has tons of. He has money to burn, and he'll bet on something. That's clearly cruel. And it's like, oh, okay. I get that character right out the gate in a way. I really do think he might be. He gets the best characterization of anyone in the movie. Oh, absolutely. And while you know, there isn't a ton story wise, it's mostly just bad guy wants to have fun. And this is how he has fun because he has way too much money. Clearly, and he can't just have fun like a normal person. And just go gamble or go see a movie or go. See one of the biggest shows are in this case Atlantic City show, right which is. A very similar feel either way he had his like, you know, what maybe take break from Atlantic City and go to go hang out with those rich people do something else. Don't bet on a cat making it across the street or have some guy walk around buildings ledge. There are other ways to have fun. But he's too cruel to do that. And I can understand from an actor's perspective the the glee of getting to play someone who there's no moral grayness about it's like, no. This guy's a bad guy. And I'm gonna play him, you know, completely cartoonish Lii, and that's fun. There's some fun gags stuff in the ledge with Robert Hays. You know, having to find a little cranny to hide in or this. This pigeon starts pecking at him, and there's a a a really cruel, but I laughed shot of him kicking the pigeon. And they just you know, shoot a bunch of feathers out of an air gun to simulate that. And it's it's again. There's that dark humor. And I think I would assume audiences kind of showing up for this was Stephen king's name on it and some other stuff that we'll get into in the last story, they expect like, yeah. This is going to be another horror supernatural monster thing. And it's like, well, these really just at least with these first two stories, they're just dark gags and and king loves that. But I think that the issue again in the ledge is characterization. It's like, yeah. The the actors do what they can. And they have fun with it. But I don't think it ever gets to a point in the writing where we end up really being on anybody's side other than oh, we're on their side. Just because they've been putting this over the top horrible situation that you you would feel for anybody in that situation. But the movie never makes a case for why we should feel about, you know, feel for these specific people, I think one of the things that. King is really good at when he has a lot more space to work with is that characterization that's missing here. And obviously with these being short stories he doesn't have as much time to even do that within the stories themselves. You know, this isn't the stand or the talisman where you are spending hours upon hours reading about these characters and really getting to know them, you have, you know, maybe twenty to thirty minutes with most of these characters, and especially in the short stories because from what I can recall, none of them are too terribly long at least in the night shift. You do have some that are longer some letter shorter. But if you're working off of something that's only twenty thirty pages tops. That's not a ton of time. As far as story goes. And you know, Stephen King is in a brilliant screenwriter at this point necessarily because writing a book and writing a screenplay or two. Totally different formats, and I think it's something that you know, he wanted to dive into because he wanted to have control over how these stories were told. And that's something. I completely understand. But it's just one of those things where you're like. Yeah. You can kind of tell when someone else adapts his work that they're more familiar with the format. I it's it comes down to a couple of things for me with this. But before we get into the last segment that I think's important to note is that this is directed by Lewis Teague who directed cujo and cujo is one of the better Stephen King adaptations, it's it's very good. And then you look at something like Creepshow, which I think is a good comparison for cats. I because it's another anthropology movie and Stephen King has the sole writing credit on the Creepshow script as well as cats. I and I think with Creepshow Stephen King gets that. These are four color lurid over. Over the top cartoon horror stories, and that's why the best stuff in in Creepshow, actually manages to find small good character in the best pieces because it's allowed to kind of breed because of its over the top genre elements, but with cats, I I think the combination of the type of stories that that king is adapting and specifically Lewis Teague direction, hamper it because I think if you had direction that really matched the tone of these pieces on the script, they might be able to shine more you might be able to find more heightened moments where you could inject real characterization. And that's why I think that the best thing in the entire movie is that party sequence in quitters Inc. Because it's the one time the movie really goes cartoony that just go all end, right and the script and tone match each other. Well, and and I think with the ledge there needed to be way. More kind of seeing things from Robert Hays perspective really giving us a an an exaggerated idea of his fear of falling. I think if there was more of that we it might be a little bit more enjoyable, but again, as is it's it's terrible to say. But it's another one where it's like, it's fine. Mike. It's much enthusiasm as I can muster for it. Yeah. I think for me the general was the better of the three as far as putting it on the screen because it was original to the movie too. I think that partially helped, and it's the most we see of drew Barrymore as well. I believe in the ledge she pops up on TV. Yes. She's in a commercial, which which the cat sits dutifully watchers. Yeah. Exactly. So you have the cats story basically leading up to this moment because the cat was really just a vehicle to get from one story to the next, and then it finally has a larger role in the general. And this is the story where I feel like you get to know drew Barrymore's character probably more than I would say the rest that we see because she's this girl who you know, they clearly are pretty well off. They live in a nice big house. In the suburbs. And she just really wants this cat in wants to care for this cat. And that's something that I think a lot of kids and up wanting, you know, wanting a pet when you're a kid seems like a pretty natural thing. So you get this moment where she's like can we keep him, please, please? And you know, you could tell the parents aren't too thrilled about it. And I felt like this was a very realistic moment until we get to the troll, which we will get him out. But you know, as far as from the character's perspective, you know, you can tell there some tension between the parents because the dad makes fun of the mom's mother and her accent and everything and the mom gets upset about it. And there's this sort of tension going on where you could tell that the dad isn't handling things the way the mom wants to. But he's trying to just make his daughter feel better. And there's. Definitely a lot of disdain for this cat coming from the mother to and it's not even the cat's fault. The cat doesn't do anything. No. Yeah. Cats, the general is the short is called in the movie. It's it's very clear. This is what the movie was sold on. If you look at the poster art, you know, everything it's it's the cat with the troll. It's like this is what people were coming to see and general feels like it's in another movie. I mean, totally at the script level the kind of story it's telling it feels out of place for the first two movies. You know, the first two stories that we just watched and as as kind of a whole, I think that's a problem, but on its own general reminded me of like a really solid episode of something like tales from the dark side, which was a an anthology horror series produced by George Romero that that's basically kind of the Creepshow television series and or like a tales from the crypt or the eighties twilight zone. It feel. Like a solid little episode. And a lot of that has to do with the simplicity of the idea. There is this cat that has been sent to protect this little girl from an evil troll. That's trying to steal her breath, which will kill her. And of course, whenever the troll comes out and does a bunch of stuff. The parents don't see it. And they think it's the cat doing the, you know, the the mischief and causing all these problems. It's like a great, this is this would be a perfectly acceptable episode of an anthology TV show, and as as a standalone sequence in the movie, it's the best like I think it's made better just by comparison because I think on its own. It's it's solid. I think a lot of that has to do with the actual troll monster. It's it was the the facial animatronic design was done by Carlo Rambaldi who has done tons of monsters, for example, alien and. E t so when we get those close ups of the trolls face Starling. It's like, yeah. That's a it's a cool gnarly look in monster. Yeah. Plus with the set how they made the troll. Look, so small was they made a life size version of it and unmade the set eight times larger than what it actually was. So that the troll would look tiny. And then they kind of blended that in with the scenes that have drew Barrymore in her bed in the normal size set and everything like that. And that was an expensive project for them to take on. It was a hundred and fifty grand just for that. And you know, this movie has a budget of six million, and you have to figure with names, like, James woods, Robert Hayes, Alan king, so on and so forth and even possibly drew. Carey more at this point because she's already been in notable movies. You know, she's probably going to get a decent chunk of money for being a kid. And then you have. That scene. And it's just like, okay. Yeah. I see why this budget ended up being six million, and you know, didn't do so hot at the box office. No, I think again that the it's hard to market this kind of movie. I'm sure a lot of the marketing centered around the troll segment because the rest of it really wasn't the kind of stuff that cinematic -ly Stephen king's brand was associated with. I mean, you you have drew Barrymore just I think in the year before this in fire starter, you know, another kind of carry Riffa now she's shown up in another Stephen King movie while you think it's going to be another big supernatural thing. And it's like not really there's one supernatural story at the end, but it's not one that has any kind of recognition from book readers because it's something that's completely original. And the others are such kind of tertiary short stories in Stephen king's bibliography. They're not these kind of mammoth short stories that would end up being the basis for really huge stuff. Like like you. And I talked about children of the corn. So the you mentioned the set work, and in general, and it's it's tons of fun. It's that kind of pre Honey, I shrunk the kids. Incredible shrinking man type stuff where it's like, oh, they got to make big giant versions of things like dictionaries and kids toys and stuff. And and that's all really fun. The composite work that they have to do during the last kind of big segment in which the troll and the cat are fighting kind of like on drew Barrymore chest, basically on her bed has not stood the test of time. Pretty it's pretty rough looking that that composite, but I I like the idea I do like what you're saying. I think because we get to spend a lot more time with this family and. And there's a lot more conflict thrown into the story. Yeah. You get much more of the family dynamic in this than I think you do in either of the other stories, you know, in quitters Inc. You're like, okay. But what is this guy's relationship with his family? Really like you kinda just see him glazed over time. He's at home. And you're like, oh, okay. All right. He clearly needs some coffee. That's all the wife says. Yeah. The the stories not about his family, it's solely about him. So his family is is so peripheral to what else is going on. It's the same thing. True in the ledge with Robert Hayes, and whatever his relationship with Christner's wife is, but in general, we get stuff like they don't want them to, you know, the the parents don't want drew Barrymore to keep the cabin doors because they think it's violent, and there's some fun enter cutting where they're having that discussion where drew Barrymore's like, you know, general's not violent. He wouldn't hurt a fly. Why cut to him outside tackling a bird? And when they think that he's the one causing all this trouble. They sent him to to be youth at a kill shelter, which is like, oh, no. So I I like that conflict. I like that general does come off as a character like beyond just the oath. You like cats you're going to be worried for a cat type. You know, easy, emotional stuff. There's an actual bit of narrative work done to make us like general in and see that he's going to protect drew Barrymore. And I think if you separated this from the movie and just had it as its own little thing, you know, its own little short film or its own little episode. It would probably be remembered way more fondly, then kind of the tail end of a pretty shaky feature film. Yeah. I think because of that lack of cohesiveness with the stories you. No in Creepshow, they all at least have the similar tone to them. And these just feel like such drastically different stories that the only connection is the cat. And because the cat doesn't really matter much in the first two stories. You're like, okay, cool. There's a cat he trips the, dude. And then you finally got the story for the cat. Yeah. I mean Creepshow has the grade of thing of it has a wraparound story, it has kind of Volkan story. That's then the only thing that links them together as that this comic book that these are all stories and accomplish with this. They're trying to build up the cat as an actual character and other situations, and and that never quite works. And again, I think it really comes down to direction, and I like Lewis Teague a lot like I love cujo. I love alligator. But I don't think he was the right person for this material. I'm sure that they they got him because he had just done cujo and cujo was very successful both financially and critically. And it's like, oh, yeah. You know, St. and Stephen King was very happy with how Joe turned out. So I'm sure he was happy to be part of the the the process with his screenplay. But I think that this needs that kind of like go for broke tone to really make it stick. Because otherwise, I think the limitations of these ads short stories shine through more. Absolutely. And you know, this wasn't my favorite adaptation by any means. And like you said, you know, the general would have been a better story on its own. And there aren't too many shorts that I think I'm probably going to include in this podcast. I know that. I have the lawnmower man set. Just because I feel like that's a much better at update to talk about than the movie that, you know, involved Stephen King suing the guys to get his name taken off of it. And all that fun stuff. I'm not even going to touch those movies because I know they don't have anything to do with the actual story. But yeah, I actually haven't really looked into the shorts that much. So when you get something like, Creepshow or cats. I is like, okay, I could see how certain shorts could work and some could not even though you know, Creepshow really felt like something as a whole whereas this didn't and it was a little disappointing. When I was going through. I was like, oh, I thought the stories we're going to relate to each other a little more. And because I didn't remember too much about the ledge. And the general was something new. I knew nothing about that story. And so because Stephen King is so good at connecting things. I was. Like, oh that wasn't what I was expecting. Yeah. I think if you look at king's output like television output, like, I know, I'm pretty sure he did a couple of episodes four tales from the dark side. He's done. At least one episode. I know from the eighties revival of the twilight zone. I think the stuffing cats I kind of falls into that arena. Where it's like, you know, if these been their own episodes of a TV show like not trying to connect each other. I think they they be fine. I think they'd all be like. Yeah. That was solid enough. But that's what it feels like it doesn't feel like a cohesive movie. It just feels like these were kind of I tried to get these, you know, adapted for other show, and they didn't work out. So we'll just use them in this movie. Yeah. That's definitely what it felt like, and I know there are other anthologies that obey discussing here in tales from the dark side is. Is one of them which you have signed up for no surprise there. Oh, yeah. I'll if there's anthology stuff talk about I'm always game. And they're still doing that today. You know, they actually just announced a bunch of cast members for season two Castlerock. So in that instance, they're doing the anthology series in different way. They're giving you a full season. A full story arc you can flush out these characters and then the next season is going to be different characters. And you know, they're bringing back Tim Robbins. I don't think they're bringing him back as his character from Shawshank because that was too long ago. I think that's another fun kind of wink, wink, at the audience, and yeah, and I like that like I like that playfulness, you know. And I I'm glad to see something like that there's going to be a creep show series on. Yes, shudder, you know, and they're adapting short stories from king. But also, like his son, Joe hill and other horror writers, and I'm like, I'm. I'm I'm very glad to see that the two different approaches. Dan, theology, you know, a big season long, basically like feature arc that's trying to connect everything. And kind of the individual one off episode stuff can still exist and cats I cat's is trying to marry the two, and I think it would have been better off if it just kind of picked one lane and stuck to it. Yeah. Absolutely. I'm definitely looking forward to checking out the other original screenplays that Stephen King has reddened because I know there's storm of the century and rose red I believe that he did himself. So there are some opportunities to see how he has improved on his screenwriting over the years throughout this podcast too. And that's something that I find exciting because you know, obviously with as many books and movies as there are he can't possibly right every single screenplay at. No. Maybe he could. Maybe he could. He does. Right. So many books. He has so many boater. I'm sure if somebody. But in a way, I'm kind of glad other people get to play with these stories, you know. But I think that's a good note to end this episode on, you know, we kind of feel if about cats I, and that's understandable. Yes. It's a bummer 'cause I would as I was watching them like, you know, this would be like a good movie to show like a kid that was getting into Stephen King or interested in anthology or or John or stuff. But then I'm like, yeah. But the first two stories really aren't framed. Well, it's like just show them the general great little bit be. Hey, you wanna see something cool just like fast forward to the last twenty thirty minutes of the movie and just show them that and that that works fine. I think that's a fun. Little standalone thing, yet, exactly wealth. Drew, always a pleasure. Talking Stephen King with you same. And to our listeners, you could follow us at chat cemetery on Twitter and Instagram. You can subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts and. As always thank you all for listening. And I hope you enjoy the rest of your day.

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