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Shaughnessy has a story about The Guide to the Western Conference logjam in the race for the eighth seed out West. That's that's a fun one. Don't miss that and of course Jonathan Sharks always doing good work. He has one about the big question. emphasis on big surroundings ions imminent return coming up later in the show. We'll discuss Dwight Howard in the dunk contest. And why Haley hates fun. But first let's review the latest news from around the League and bring in our regular contributors Dannon Hill of Missouri in studio. And what his way across the country and our NYC NYC HQ. He checked coast to coast with alien Dan Wearing we are all dunking on interest in towns in its look and also down divine cleanly shaven. Yeah looks great. Yeah definitely a choice. Not a mistake with a setting on the trimmer. So let's just go with me leaning into a new year type situation. Oh I've done that. Yeah one time. I went in was trimmed up the old eyebrows. Because I've got Peter Gallagher size eyebrows shots to gallagher and the and took out a chunk so that didn't go well at all and everybody should be careful what they're chamber settings all right. Let's review some headlines from around the league with NBA to reply all right Ad. The and the Lakers. They crushed the Knicks on Tuesday. But Anthony Davis fell hard on his tailbone according to Athletics Shams Charney the. MRI came back clean. But he has a gluteus maximus contusion otherwise known as a but bruce Haley what kind of concern he's supposed to travel with the team for the upcoming Dallas and Okay See Double Dip road trip but ads had injury issues in the past. It sounds like this will be okay but anytime you see him go boom you gotta be a little nervous service. No I'm not saying that. A glorious maximus contusion. Is something easy to recover from but it could have been much worse by with that. Being said the Lakers are in great positioning right. Now I see no reason to not let him fully. He'll there's no reason to rush him back so I really actually don't think that there is. This is a major reason to worry. Dan Devan your level of concern an and As our resident White Howard Aficionado and fan you're excited for the increase in playing time. Coming his way. Yeah although I will. We've we've sort of the part of the devoid Howard. Renaissance here has been that we've had like a limited exposure to Dwight Howard. So the the more it grows the the greater the danger grows with it So I think there's some reason to be concerned there But with with Haley I think the you know the main thing here. We've talked about this before the Lakers have been great. Obviously with both Lebron and Anthony. They was on the floor at the same time but they've been similarly great with Lebron on and Davis off the issues they've had or more when Lebron off the floor so I think for short stints to get sort sort of get Davis and rest and get him back into full health. This is should be a pretty smooth sailing for them. The concern I would have is just if this leads to you. overlying on Lebron too early which we've talked about before that Load Management Question Ryan but I think for a short stint here discretions the better part of Valor. Frady I think you're you're correct that As our exposure to Dwight Howard increases are Affection for him decreases. Those are inversely proportional. We're going to get to that later on. In the main event Haley has a lot to get off your chest but I think that this brings up the constant conversation around the Lakers about their depth. And whether or not this team despite the fact that they're playing really well And have been all season long and tops in the Western Conference Prince second only to the box in terms of record in the entire NBA. Well they're not they need more and this is something that has been sort of Chatted about an MBA circles the athletic and the Sacramento Sacrimento be both reported almost the exact same language which is very interesting whenever I see almost the exact same language from two different media outlets Points me in the direction of the similar source but in this particular instance. Both of them reported that the Kings are not interested in the rumored Kyle Kuzma for Bogdanor Bogdanovich swap and both outlets. Let's say that they value the kings value. Bogdonovich is versatility and they are comfortable having the right to match in restricted free agency this summer. But I ask you do the Lakers need to make a trade. Yeah it's necessary to look ahead in anticipate. What issues might come down the road when the team is tired in the latter half of the season if you think about their starting lineup up and guys off the bench? They're run by older players and injury-prone players and what they've needed all along is a guard and that hasn't changed. It's just has been. Lebron is capable of so many things unfortunately the guard market for exactly what they need is pretty small pretty small and so we've heard a lot about maybe Kyle Kuzma Dan being the guy that they'd WanNa move now. He makes two million dollars this season. He's three point six million next season which complicates things. Because that means they can't take back a ton of money. Now if you started stacking some of these other contracts like demarcus cousins and Quinn Cuckoo essentially on expiring that would work out to like eight and a half you could take back one hundred and seventy five percent percent of what you send out so that could mean that could bring back maybe thirteen and a half but if you start sending out multiple players Like say three players the receiving team we need to create room and by either sending more players back. which sort of defeats the purpose here or waving somebody or working with the thirteen? So there's all these different kinds of complicating factors but my I guess we'll just try to simplify this for conversation. Conversation purposes is Kyle. Kuzma the guy to move to the does he have a long term future with them. What what you know? He didn't he didn't start the season with them. He doesn't play much defense if he's not scoring he's not adding a lot of value. Like what are you getting from. Kyle Kuzma whether you keep him remove him. Well I I have to give you a shout out for that. One hundred seventy seventy five percent of what you take out what you said. It's coming back. You can't spell guns without CBA Faq. That was pretty impressive. I really enjoyed that Yeah Kuzma is it's less that he's the police that they would want to move more kind of like the last bullet left in the gun. They sent all of their You know young rookie. Scale Kinda assets and the valuable pieces in the Anthony Davis Trade which obviously well. We're like hang busters but Christmas sort of like the last thing you can flip into something else financially. Is The big question of what you can get back. That's in that value range. But I think the bigger question for for Kouzmin like he's a guy who can create his own shot and in the playoff series. We see that as series go on. And on if you can't do something on offense you can't stay on the floor if you can't defend you can't say on the floor which is kind of a tough line to walk but the idea that you might want to have another shot creator makes some sense to me the second unit Initiate or somebody that can they can get some some points go in and hurry But the the question of what has pointed like what they would want in that roll with the last piece of their puzzle that they view it as is fascinating to me because if they decide it's a playmaking guard maybe you try to move that to Detroit. I like Derrick rose. Right if you decide it's Def- a wing defender somebody who can go up against Paul George and Kawhi Leonard into series. Maybe Start Minnesota and see if you can move that salary range for Robert Covington. You know the the the idea of or or if you know if we wanNA build the whole plane out of guys that can shoot. You know bomb. Threes off Lebron passes. Maybe you keep knocking on Sacramento's door about Bogdanovich. I the idea of what they think they need is one of the more fascinating questions we would look at. Because I don't know that they need need anything but what they see as the problem is sort of a big a big an interesting puzzle box. Yeah Yeah and also I mean as you mentioned you know it's one thing to say okay. We need something we're going to send coups out but Likud by himself to me doesn't feel like you're going to get a ton back for him. as I mentioned that complicated salary things and then as you mentioned the lottery picks they don't really have any to offer because New Orleans owns their entire draft from now until the end of time I'm so that's GonNa make things Harder for them and then also maybe the return that they get back if they decided to go that way wouldn't yield. Maybe as much as they would otherwise hope up in a similarly difficult spot although for much different reasons in terms of what they might do with their franchise the Detroit Pistons Holy Hell are these. Dark days days in Detroit Again reported that Blake Griffin underwent surgery on his left knee and and will undergo extended Rehab. He is out indefinitely. We presume zoom this means he will not play again. This season play just eighteen games. Some of the worst numbers of his career. He's owed seventy five point eight million dollars over the next two seasons. I mean my God the Pistons are in in a bad spot he'll be thirty. One March Blake Griffin. Let's just start with this. How bad was that trade Okay okay so I would like to give an update just so we can see currently for what they got. Exactly what the Clippers got so ultimately trading Blake Griffin. Got The clippers. BURE's shy Goethe's Alexander. which was part of the trade for Paul George Landry Zubec- Wilson Chandler to Michael Green Garrett Temple who were all on expiring the twenty twenty the first round pick from philly which they flipped last year for the twenty seventh overall pick to draft cabin? Get Cabin Kelly. I'm GonNa do that again. This twenty seventh overall pick pick to draft cabin Galley two second round picks in twenty twenty one and twenty twenty three which they still have and a two thousand twenty one first round. Pick for Miami which was also part of the Paul George Trade. So they've Paul George Landry Shamet Zoo Bach A. G. Leaguer who I don't know we'll see maybe two second round picks in a ton of cap space the Pistons Have Blake. Griffin's sneeze yeah the Pistons have the opposite Dan which like I look at them and I this is. This is tough times and I I know a couple of people over there and I want nice things for the Pistons. I think it's going to be difficult though The Time Gore said that he's open to new directions. Yeah no shit. I would hope so. They've got Andre Drummond who Is One thousand percent opting out this summer summer. Which means that? They're probably going to try to move him at the deadline. Now the problem here is one. What is actually Andre Drummond Z.? A. Good stats bad. Team guy is like a slightly better version of a Assan whiteside. What could you get back from him? Especially because teams know that he's probably going to walk so like what are what are you GonNa get there. And then also also in the same way that we were saying that the Lakers are sort of handicapped and what they can maneuver The the peasants don't have a ton of cap space. They don't have the cash. PECs that they can go in and and build upon and and you know hopefully build through the draft and they don't have a single player who's a young player that they absolutely no will be a star moving forward How bleak is this? It's not great. Guns Lybia I I think you're right. You're right to note with the Andre Drummond question question. Both the fact that he's probably a rental or trading into a team that's going to try to extend or resign him the summer. You're probably not like refilling the coffers off of that that's like expiring salary and maybe like a protected future first or something like that. The returns not going to be great. That kind of doesn't matter because you just have to start getting returns like basically Anything that's not under twenty four and nail down to the court at Little caesars arena has to be on its way out for something that you can then build into something else. The bummer here is I still like I get Y.. Detroit did what it did was to the Stan. Van Gundy era They were like it's not just stand trying to save his job but also Detroit's never getting a guy even as good as of an injured an older Blake Griffin. They had to try something. It's get busy living or get busy. Dying kind of thing. The upside of it. It was last year Blake Griffin. Is the legitimate all NBA player and you make the playoffs again. The downside of it is the the all of the risk of the needs and the injury stuff comes to roost. And now you're left Kinda nowhere but you were sort of nowhere already so at least you tried something and now you so you you build. It's GonNa take a while but you kind of have to try shit you know. And but my one concern is that previously had tried shit and then screwed it up as well because they missed on Stanley Johnson. Henry Allison they took Luke Kennard one. Pick ahead of your Guy Don Mitchell and they actually got they landed on. Chris Middleton Spencer Dinwiddie and then gave up on. Chris Middleton and Spencer Dillon he so I worry about how. Wow what will happen if they do try shit and then actually You know maybe screw it up anyway but good news for them. They beat the cavaliers on Tuesday. Harari UH FOR BEATING CLEVELAND. Things not going so well in Cleveland either As I mentioned they lost to the Pistons. Kevin Love Kevin. Love threw a temper tantrum and then he apologized for his temper tantrum. He said that he was He wasn't acting like a thirty one year old. He was acting like a thirteen year old. He told the media that I fucked adopt showed my actions on a national level. That was childish of me and this is the interesting part. I'll go to you first and I don't care if I'm here for five months or for five more weeks. I'm going to try to do my best. Buy These guys by the coaching staff He clearly wants out Dan. Do you understand his frustration because on the one hand he took all their money but on the other hand. I think it's fair to say that he probably didn't think it would get this bad. I found myself laughing at that. You know whether it's five weeks or five months but definitely not for years definitely not the remainder of this contract no doubt about it which by the way I want to stop you real quick? Therein lies the RUB in terms of moving him. You mentioned the remainder of his contract after this year here. He has a thirty one point. Two million thirty one point two million and then twenty eight point nine in the final season that is a tough contract to move but gone it. Declines lines in value as it goes along it makes him basically a positive asset. When you really think about a year it'd be great for so long as he's not whipping fastballs at somebody because he's pissed off and yeah I think that they he did? He did what he needed. You know you you secure the bag and you figure everything else out later. That's basically the idea with Kevin. Love their the cavs. Were saying we need something that keeps US basically theoretically relevant after Lebron leaves in actual NBA Basketball Player. WHO's grown up to stick around? And maybe a star they do that with Kevin Love. They also locked in a price point thinking if he stays healthy. He's tradeable because you know there's going to be x amount of stars in the on the market Yada Yada Yada. I think Kevin I love probably figured that it was going to be. We try to stay competitive. Hell they're signing me. We're still going to try to stay competitive and then in the short term thereafter. It's like oh no actually. We're turning earning everything over to a dorm room. And that's going to be a problem for me so he bear some responsibility for. Not maybe seeing this coming or seeing a understanding this was going to be part of the process but I believe the cows probably bear off a fair amount of. It's saying like we're going to be good. Don't worry about it we're gonNA build around you and then when everything falls apart you wind up up with some disgruntled parties on both sides Haley. Sometimes you gotTA speak up. squeaky wheel gets the grease. I understand his frustration. Here where you on Kevin Love's outburst and then the apology policy toward I'm always on the side of the players because organizations are never fair and they're just people they should be happy healthy. I think it's interesting. That ten days ago Dwayne deadman mental. The king said he told the media. Sorry that he wants to trade and he later got fine. Fifty thousand dollars yet. Kevin Love can say yesterday quote. I know I can get a lot better. And that can't go on here but he will not be fined. He's Kevin Love maybe they give them a little leeway because he is still stuck in Cleveland although he's making many millions of dollars so that would it probably helped mitigate any pain their last one. I want to move on. I guess this entire headlines is just going to be all sorts of dark. We've gone through Cleveland. Detroit and now the Brooklyn Nats. They lost a on Tuesday. They fell to the Oklahoma City. Thunder seven game losing streak. Eight of nine Spencer did he. Didn't he missed a free Technical free throw throw towards the end of regulation and a floater They go down kyrie irving no closer to return. He's got a shoulder injury. No shoulder surgery for now but it's not off the table. He took a cortisone shot Christmas Eve. He'll be reevaluated. In a month or two he only feels pain Dan when he lifts his right shoulder to shoot so Would you just shut him down. I mean like I know that the nets had high higher hopes than this for the season but ultimately it's still about waiting until K. D. comes back next year. Yeah and that's been sort of the tension all season long right. I'd also like to note for the record that I wrote about the nets in five months interesting teams like two weeks ago. Oh and then since I think they have not won a game ringer curse alive and well in its various forms I I think everybody knew this was a placeholder year but the the hope was that you would sort of develop some things along the way that can be of value when you get Kevin Durant back and you can see what the team really looks like the injuries to Kyrie Irving and carousel avert who just just came back last night as well kind of impeded that so I think if if there's a question at all about whether Kyrie coming back this year could harm the long term you know Viability of his health. Or whatever then I think yeah. Shut him down punt it. We'll see where we go from here but You you still WanNa see what liver it looks. Like alongside Irving Oh you know sharing the ball. What a three headed monster with them? He looks like over a longer period of time. How they defend that kind of stuff like those things still will matter when you get to plug Kevin Durant in but it's ultimately like like? This might make the decision for them. Haley as we record this. The Brooklyn Nets are clinging to the eighth seed in the Eastern Conference. They are two and a half games up on the Charlotte Hornets. There are half game back. Orlando Magic for the seven seed but there's a path year if they really wanted to like go hard right and tank into it. which way would you go? Tanker play. I would honestly I would would play because the guys who are there now will be there next year and cares. Lavar does back. He was injured last year. injured this year. Give him a chance to you. Know grows rose. Spencer did Wendy. I have not given up on at all. I think that You know yesterday's a normal struggle for someone of his caliber. Oh He's had a really a good year he's had a really good year. Yeah let them grow play. Yeah they're done Tanking and getting draft tale it long enough. 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Five six million dollars and more notably for our purposes. Right here they'll be in the dunk contest for the first time since two thousand nine Haley is already shaking your head at me. Howard is thirty four years old Haley when this happened happened immediately took to the old twitter machine firing off the following massive the dunk contest is the only good thing about all star weekend? By the way we're going to get into that and they're going to throw thirty four year old Dwight Howard back in there. I hope Joh- mirant uses him as a prop for fucks sake Haley a lot of things on packing this including your hatred of the olds. But we'll get to that in a second you just go. Just go and tell me why you don't like a couple of things to like as precursors ages just relative relative in the NBA. True ages very relatives. I'm not calling for years old. I like to believe that it's relative in life as well just like more broadly. Yeah just just if we were GONNA pay him back for a second. It's just a number as I'm second. I feel the need to say that. His redemption story doesn't feel so heartwarming to me personally because of his transphobic comments hence last season however that is not why I'm opposed to him in the dunk contest. This is a sentimental thing. Do you remember the last time someone his weight was in the dunk contest. It was twenty seventeen John Jordan and after his very first dunk in the first round he had nothing else to do. He looked embarrassed. He looked like he didn't want to be there. He looked like he wanted. Let's be over. Give it to someone who can do some cool shit kids. These days can like ball themselves out. I'm much older. They can ball themselves. Up flipped sideways. Flip forgetting upside down through the hoop. They're doing crazy shit that Dwight Howard will never be able to do. Save the sentimental stuff for like a halftime ceremony. All right so all of these things are incredible. and You bring up some very interesting points. I'll counterpoint author. What am I follow old or less old than me but older than Haley takeoff? That's okay I want you to be in my age group here. You're you're closer to split the difference between the two of US but Haley said by thirty four. She'll be off the grid raising Alpacas on twitter. And I look forward to that day and I'll buy some of your. You're all PACA for but I think counterpoint to this is that give me all the old stand divine I want exclusively old all star weekend. Where it's it's just like Vince Vince? Carter and Dwight Howard and Kyle Korver mellow mellow out there like. CPI can get his creaky ass on the court. GimMe all the old. I mean that would really destroy the sanctity of competition that in recent years has been dominated by people like Hamadu yellow and Glenn Robinson the third. Yeah other people you probably forgot one the dunk contest. yeah I mean there are moments where it is cool. And they're things that are come back. Obviously we remember. Fondly Zach Levine. Aaron Gordon Dual. We remember Donovan. Mitchell had had some moments a couple of years ago. I'm sure Haley remember that fondly. But there's also a shitload like Jeremy Evans jumping over a picture and stuff you know like. I don't know that we need if we're doing stunt dunking but to do stunt dunking with like yeah. Let's see I wanNA see Kyle Korver Cock back that thing and see what he can do with. Let let's it's at least worth a counter programming angle. If nothing else although I will say this is my hedge I feel like the dunk contest is better ed or when you're watching it in person than it is on TV. Sometimes and I know it's like a very privileged to be able to say to get to cover it but like when you're watching guys fly you're like Oh that's fucking rat. That's really he. Cool effect I can do that even if he didn't make it. It's a cool thing and on TV. You're just like boo and that's like a little. Something is lost in translation nation. Yeah so this is a good. I like your idea about stunt dunking. We'll just like roll out to timeout trampolines and have somebody catapult off of that thing Gilbert Arenas in their. He used to the lake doing that kind of stuff. They don't like other stuff. That would be what was that. What was that sport that they had for like a half a second on slam ball? Yes we'll do a slam dunk competition. But to Harry's point about the dunk contest is the only good thing about all star weekend. I want to interrogate that for a second. Is that right. Is that like because there are other things that I think are some interesting like the three point contest. Luca and trae were invited to the three point contest. I'm interested in that skills. Competition semi interesting the rising stars game wherever the fuck. It's called now kind of sort of mass. My interest can tell you love it by based on your saying whatever the fuck you really love it. I think we're committed to it. I don't know what it is and also like Getting to see Kevin Hart and Michael Rapaport. CELEB- game savvy now and again sunny interesting so so do you truly believe or was this. Just a twitter take take the dunk contest is the only good part. I don't give a shit about Kevin. Hart Wow I don't know what Kevin Hart ever get to you but find who is a bit done. Yeah I mean the shirt. The three point contest is interesting to see where people are against each other. I will say staff didn't beat his brother brother last year but he did beat him overall and better three point percentage to finish out the season so is it super accurate is are they the best three point shooter. There's no defenders for Haley. It's about ethics in shooting journalism. Yeah she all she really wants is I want to know who is the best dunker and who. Who is the best three point shooter? So if you're honest isn't it fuck it who cares if it's not you know. I don't know George Hill this year. I guess who cares. Forget it I think he. I don't know I think that Hayley's right right to to to point to the three point. I think that's become like the more marquee event over the last few years but I don't know that really I mean that any of it is like so overwhelmingly overwhelmingly worth you know canonizing the days where it was Dominique and Michael Jordan. And you know like the the heyday of that thing. Vinci's two thousand is preserved in amber. You're never touching that again. So do something weird with Dwight Howard. You know what you'd go up there. I don't care if you bring the Cape Out. I don't care if you don't please don't do the phone with that. took a long time like go up and slap a sticker on the backboard. Go do something they call it back for US fucking taking a one Gerald Green dunks. Go blow out a cupcake up there. Where everything is a reboot nowadays anyway? Why not give it a shot? Let's see if the White Howard can bring some spark back to so this is my this is Kinda my underlying point here that I don't think we can bring some spark mark. Back to it I think the dunk contest is pretty well cooked and has been for a while with the exception of you know. Zach Levine and Aaron Gordon momentarily. Revitalizing it so then. My Hi Dea. Is We go the other way and we lean hard into how awful this could be with Dwight. Howard I mean I don't expect it to be good in fact I expect it to be bad and we should? We should absorb that irony. We should embrace you. We should lean into it. Yeah take out the Cape be bad at this like a bad dunk contest could be good. No you're totally. We used to just give up on people doing the coolest thing besides chasing blocks in the NBA. This is the greatest display athlticism. Absolutely not also if you want it to be fun again. You're telling me that you'd rather have Dwight Howard doing the same shit we've already seen except for much less springy then. A young guy who has way more athleticism's telling him this is spoken like a still young person who has not yet raising using Alpa Kaz and off the grid for those of us who are post thirty four like doing anything. athletically is an incredible feat like that. Dwight can do that at thirty. Four is mind boggling to me that Vince Carter and I've mentioned this on the show before we're the same age. He's like a month and a half older than me that he's still out there playing in the NBA is incredible. Incredible that he can dunk is mind blowing to me. I went for a run the other day. I got halfway out there. I thought I had a call colleen to come pick me up because my body started to hurt. So that's why like seeing being old people do shit like that is impressive to me even if it is the much worse version of what they did when they were younger would approve. And that's a completely different. Then she'll be incredible. Vince come to the dunk contest. One note just to to put a button on it for Dave mcmanamon of ESPN last night said Dwight Howard through some Kryptonite. On any ideas. He'd be making a superman returns to the dunk contest in Chicago. Next month quote. I don't know where you guys are getting this information from I never said I was doing the dunk contest. You protest too much. Do I tell you the the more he winds up going like no guys. I don't know what you're talking about. I'm not doing it and then it's like surprise I am doing it. WE'RE GONNA book fucked one year right. I think he doth protest too much. Go to really wish we had that information before we did an entire segment. Until I don't guys he's he's running. Don't worry about it here on. That's he checked for you. That's the main event for for you. Let's go to our favorite segment. Good call bad. Call one eight. Fold call here time for Sir Sir Dwayne Wade. He's retired and we all knew that and the Miami Heat really want to reinforce that in our brains they're going to retire his Jersey and give him Quite the send and off in February a three day weekend of retirement festivities for Dwayne Wade which feels like a hell of a lot. I think you could. I mean like Kobe Kobe. When Kobe retired they put up? Kobe Land Palo covered this for us for the ringer. There were it was like a fair that they did outside staples center but he didn't get three days. He got one day so Kobe is going to be pissed about this so Gee CBC Halio Shaughnessy to the Miami Heat. Giving Dwayne Wade an entire weekend of retirement God waited. Wade has been living the life since he retired. And I think this is just a continuation of that the longer. A party always the better. This is a good call. Dan Devine the longer under the party. The worst the hangover is the other part of that though. And I feel like this is like by the end of it. You're sorta like and also the longer the part of the more you're like. Can't these fucking leave. I want to clean up and go to bed so I think bat maybe by like Sunday afternoon. That's going to be the vibe in Miami about About the way I understand the idea of. He's bent so much of the franchise. It's his city et Cetera. Threes is a Lotta time to celebrate anybody. So I'm going to go with that call. I like this old man I want to just go home and go to bed. Take that's fantastic and very brand Steve I agree with the the olds olds. I'm not up for that long of a party. That's the most Miami Shit I've ever heard. It is Miami at. That's a fair point. That's a fair point though. It's very Miami thing I mean they. They've got all all kinds of fun club drugs that they could do that weekend. I'm sure that they'll be up the entire time. I personally am always on the one hand. I'm torn here. I'm torn between my default position of. Yeah I like to go to bed early to and get off my lawn on the other hand. I love weird scene. I pretty much made an entire career out of chronicling weird scenes and this is gonNA. It'd be weird scene that's for me. let's go to Dame Lillard he said Eight three little shade at load management told bleacher report. I don't play pick up all summer. That's where guys could start with their load management Halio Shaughnessy does dame willow to have a point. Good call bad call on. Just skip all of your Summer League for the love love of the game workouts and do your load management in the off season. It's different people at different bodies in different injury histories. Who are different ages? You can't tell someone someone what's best for them to prepare for season. This is a bad call. You should be more considerate. That others are different than Dan. Devine load managing the off season. I'll good call. Listen if I could get away with like not simulating writing for three months. That would be fucking amazing. That'd be super great. I would spend like my Jimmy my July August September. Just like I dunno oh pretending to like type working on my game but like not actually getting out there. That'd be fantastic. Imagine how fit your fingers would be. They'd be amazing Steve Almond I'm all about organization organization. So I would say good call team here take a little time off in the summer. G Say Let's go to my man Brown. I was home. which is the reason? Why the PODCAST? PODCAST is now on a Wednesday this week instead of on. Monday was home this weekend and while I was there not only did the eagles lose the sixers lost a bunch of games at all I heard was how awful Brett Brown was from. I'm from Philadelphia and the wrong about that but breath brown leading into this brown taking the heat for Ben Simmons who hasn't shot a three in quite some time and he gave this is quote. Evidently I have failed something that we're all mindful of and this is one of these things that has never gonNa go away. These attention this is received is remarkable. I I guess I helped fuel it. Halio Shaughnessy juicier BC on Brett Brown. Falling on the sword on behalf of Ben Simmons. Here this is so oh dramatic. This is one of the things that's never going to go away. He really only needs to shoot a three just yank him like one game. He doesn't shoot at three. It's Ben Simmons you think that that would make it go away. You think he'd only because he didn't shoot a three. Do something like just do something dramatic. This is so dramatic. You're telling me that he couldn't just brad cut and just do something dramatic. Mattias job is perpetually on the Hollywood and you say come on just like if you're I failed. Okay then do something else. I love drama. I love level. Catholic guilt is a move to Philadelphia. You'd be perfectly Haley's like I this dramatic so let's put out a fire with gasoline. That's the way it's time to make this all work bench full. I think this is a good call for Brown. He has the idea like the. He's been sort of taking the slings and arrows for everybody in the franchise for this long like it's just part of his identity as somebody who is perpetually. Sorry apologizing to everybody and always pretty Schuermann. Everybody's way I I feel that I really understand it so I like about my concern. Is that by the end of this. Aubrey is going to be like SM- scrunched into a corner on the train. Like I do but I think the idea of saying like I'm going to take all the heat so these guys can go. Do whatever they need to do is right at the also fucking everybody shut up about that and seventeenth does so many other things really really great. Let's focus on that for like five seconds. Maybe yeah also just to point this out Catholic guilt. That's his thing. Don't take your best and Devine's Salman I'd say only because because Haley was not the publicist that organized a more dramatic apology. So I would say that would have been that would have been better. I'm also release. I'm also A. B.. See here I Love Brown has stated time and time again on the show and I hate how much he he has to take In perpetuity for that organization. Everybody leave bread alone is amazing. Hey isn't all right. That was good. Call bad call. That was he checking on a thanks. Steve Almond Dan. Devine Halio Shaughnessy and all of you for listening please. Rate and review us read all of our content on on the ring dot com listen to the NBA. Show on the ringer. PODCAST network. He check. We'll be back next week and it's regular Monday slot. Enjoy all of you right so much fun.

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