Emily Warren | Songwriter of Choice for the Chainsmokers, Dua Lipa, Jason Mraz, & Shawn Mendes
On today's show we interview the hit Song Right for the chain smokers Shawn Mendez duleep Jason Mraz and other pop music artists that dominate the charts during today's show Emily Warren shares with us how should use the money that she earned babysitting to pay musicians chance to start a band with her while just in middle school she explains how hint songwriters get paid and don't she explains how she gets over writer's block. She explains why she has a vocal coach and she shares with us about her fault of over two thousand unreleased Songs Ladies and gentlemen. You'RE GONNA love today's show. You don't need a celebrity narrator to introduce this show this show too may eight Kids Co.. Co created by two different women thirteen multi million dollar businesses ladies and gentlemen welcome to thrive time. Shaw now yes yes. Yes and yes bribe nation on on today's show. We have an incredible guest. She is a super successful songwriter. She's just getting warmed up. She's written hits for Shawn Mendez. The chain smokers I do Aletha Jason Mraz and she made a poor life choice and decided to be on today's show. Emily Warren welcome onto the thrive time show. How are you Ma'am thank you. I'm great. How are you well. I am. I'm just I'm so honored to have you on the show. It's it's so exciting and your career is. It's just beginning but you've had so much traction and I I wanted to start could asking you about this fifteen year old version of yourself whose baby be safer and you decide to pay a reggae band. I believe to become Emily Warren and the better tell us tell us about this story about babysitting money and starting the band yeah. I still basically my I had written a few songs. I just gotten into songwriting because the piano teacher mind was a song writer and I was watching her do it and actually had an awesome moment where I was like. Oh Wow people right sung and that's when I started writing and after I'd gotten see songs together my older brothers had a few friends who had been in a scar reggae band and they were in our house one day and they were walking out leaving and I was like well you guys play shows and now they're all like no long and I was like okay. What if I pay you and they said okay. We'll do it so I obviously I had no money. I was like a middle schooler. I think it was probably like thirteen or fourteen years old fifteen. Maybe Josh and started babysitting the neighbors to save up enough money so that I could pay them after did this show so that was that was kind of the beginning right there now you you pack the House. I understand you had a lot of parents that showed up to watch the kids right in your friends and your friends from school and how many people were there. You're packed house first first big gig with your hire mercenary band well. I mean I'll be honest. It's one of the smallest venues New York City in the village second second tiny tiny hole in the wall but there was the capacities probably like sixty okay with Catan. People were lined up around the door 'cause because like you said everyone had to come with their parents because we were all super young everyone. Everyone was a group of three so I I think that was the moment that the band who thought this is just like their friends little sisters thing where like Oh wow we're actually a full show. What will tell us does so you. You gained some traction. You're Kinda. gigging your plan. You're doing your thing. The band broke up. How did the ban break up. What what happened. Did you got into. Did you get into a creative dispute butte. Did you have different directions. You going was there. What what happened a little bit. I mean I think I was kind of at a point. Wait where I was. I just I mean by the time we broke up. We've been playing together for five or six years. around New York and I was hitting a point where I was realizing how important the writing part itself wants to me and I was writing the songs kind of pretty much by by myself and then I bring him to the pen and we flush them out and I think I don't know they a- they had a lot of kind of gigging mentality and I had a lot of writing mentality tally and it was just kind of we were clashing in that regard and and I was going to college and wasn't really sure how that was going to shake out in terms of being like a band of playing toying so it was it was not like dramatic really I mean I think we're all slightly disappointed in fact that something so fun was coming to an end but it was kind of a more natural thing if that point how did you get discovered via my space. What what happened where you just a the queen one of my space where you just How did you get discovered via via the vehicle my space I. I don't remember being particularly popular on Mike Base. I I just I mean we were really kind of speaking all around New York and I think I barely remember even using my space but but basically this woman named Ria Pasta show who was an Internet Atlantic records at the time she emailed to in my email address saying hey found emily and her band on my face with logs. Come check out a show and I was Kinda. Pending I was with my own manager from that email accounts seemed more professional doing persecution then we got to this show and she came and then she ended up. I didn't meet her. You bet she sent an email. After saying really good needs improve like could use some just like locking in basically but please stay in touch and then we kinda fell out of touch I mean I never really spoke to her again and it wasn't until the band split up and I was I got to college. I went to music school at Nyu. You so kind of all these kids around me who are doing and I remember having feeling like Oh. I just got here with the Cheryl or music with everyone everyone out thinking. I don't even know what to say. I'M GONNA get up and play my band. That's broken up. I basically starting at zero again so I went back to my dorm room that night and scoured my emails to see if I knew anyone that worked at a record label. I literally type then records into my research. Search email came up and I emailed her and said hey no. We haven't spoken in a while. I've just started kind of like breaking off by myself. I'm writing songs long. Starting right along with other people can send you if you are. Can I come in and meet with you and she said I'm actually not in New York anymore and I'm just switching jobs today to there were literally on that day for prescription songs in La but to send me stuff anyways so I sent her music and she immediately called me back like are you published. I manage to me get you out here and not kind of where the ball got rolling but it was all very cadets and kind of crazy that that's that's how we reconnected. No I don't expect utilize our show a lot but we have just kind of orientated to our bodies. We have about a half million folks. Listen to our show and most of them are archer preneurs aspiring entrepreneurs aspiring musicians people that are trying to monetize their craft and a a lot of people aren't familiar with how huge prescription songs was and is could you share what that would be like for people who are into music. That's incredible but can you explain for the listeners out that maybe don't understand how big of a thing. Dr Luke in prescription songs was and is at the time yeah of course I mean I I. That's pretty much the point I was that when she said prescription songs I had to Google it look and then it was like Oh Lucas Don on every single Katy Perry Song Riyan Brittany Miley every song that was on the on the radio at that point he had his hands and so it was like I couldn't even I mean and they they were just kind of starting the company so I couldn't even believe he was willing to sign someone and it was me it was kind. I don't like I remember rea- kept saying I'm GONNA play your songs for Lucan. I I remember laughing like there's no way she's playing my songs for like loose not getting your message and then and then he did and it is just like literally and I've looked him up and kind of knew everything was doing. You couldn't go anywhere without hearing. I mean I'd go out and his dunker playing the bar go to dinner. Sounds are playing in the restaurant like complete world domination. I I don't know if and if I if I miss categorizing I I've spent an unhealthy amount of time listening to your music and you're like you're like an artist song. You're you're a songwriter. I in maybe an artist second or maybe the most thoughtful person on the planet first songwriter second and then and artists third. How would you classify pacify yourself. Are you more of a songwriter now. 'cause you are doing your own music too and it's incredible. It's beautiful but are you. Would you clutter sophomores a songwriter now or an artist or where would you put yourself first of all very con- thank you so much. I'm like I think I I always used to say that. I was only singing so that that I can sing the songs I was writing and then I kinda saw more in love with being like actually singing and now I'm for me. The the active songwriting is so therapeutic from for myself and for I think for the people I'm working with like for me a good songwriting session as one when we actually learned something about ourselves about each other and move forward and so I'm I'm I'm slightly detached from my own artist thing only in the sense that it's like whenever I feel like there's something I need to say that no one else can say kind of poke music out but most of the time it's the actual experience of the conversation member station that leads to the song. That's really my what jobs so right now. I'm mostly just focusing on working with other artists to inspire me and who are who have the same desire to kind of like really dig for for meaning in Okay Okay so let me let me ask you this the song. don't let me down. That's crazy. That's amazing. It's so fun because it's it's it's kind of a it takes you to a place that takes you on a story but then it has this unbelievable unbelievable based drop and you're like what just happened. That's super dynamic. I love that song. What does that song mean. What was that song about and what we're not asking you to share personal conversations but I mean what was what's that song about and what kind of conversations led into crafting a song like that for the chain smoker. I will not personnel at all. I'll tell you because it's such a ridiculous stories basically Scott Harris who is one of the me Scott Harrison drew from the chain smokers with that song together and basically Scott and I had been with a big group of our friends a few weeks before that session. We've been act. and I don't know if you've been there no back hotel but it's it's actually like a very scary place for me. Just because there's no service it's super dusty and it's like the there's this point at night where you kind of it's really hard not to lose everyone. You're with and I got lost so many times when you don't have any cell service and you can't find anyone and actually frightening just because people are like zombies and I don't know I it freaked me out so anyway. Scott lost two and we were talking about this and we're actually walking to drew's house for the session and we were like what if we wrote the song that if you were act hotel freaking out because he couldn't find anyone and you heard the song and it would calm you down and we went into the session with that idea we wrote. Don't let me down in the craziest thing about that is literally the next year hotel. We're standing side states at the chain smoker set listening to download play because full circle yeah. That's awesome. Do you ever have writer's block. Look at sheet of paper and go I look at your console or sit down with a guitar or the piano go. No I got nothing I got. No no got nothing ever run into that yeah. Absolutely I mean I have phases. I'm just like one week back into a great phases writing Bussey. We I mean if we were having this conversation a couple of weeks ago two totally different situation just because I get I'm I get really fatigued when I'm writing songs that are just like songs and not challenging me that makes any sense like I think a lot of the music that I love is music. That kind of like makes me think about something in a new way that I never thought about or just said something in a way that that I would have never come up with myself and and so I think I don't want to contribute at all to a different kind of music like songs just for the sake of songs coming out or songs that are just catchy that don't have much meaning which by the way is like a whole amazing thing that some people are really good at do really well with but for me. I think I if I have too many sessions in a row where I don't feel like push or challenge even by myself then I get really kind of I think about pivoting careers until paintings but I've just had I've actually just come back from a week at a writing camp with this artist one and Sella whose incredible aw and it just totally reinvigorated me. She's like such a deep thinker and we kind of had all these epiphanies through songwriting right now. I'm completely in love with it again but it literally roller coaster in her London Stella Stella Lennon Lennon like John John Lennon on if you get stuck with writer's block again emily I have five kids. I'm thirty eight years old. Okay I live on the picture. I live on fifteen fifteen acres behind a wall with trees and we my wife and I will scarlet when we're eighteen. We started our first company which became America's largest wedding entertainment company funny and I sold on its twenty seven so I've kind of been out of the business game for a long time and I do this because it's energy gay people like us a lot of a lot of fun but if you ever want to write a song he really stuck and you're gonNA. I need some inspiration. I need a song about waking up at three in the morning and stepping on kids toys and questioning the meaning of life. The white hurt so bad. So if do you WanNa put some something like that. That's just that's just throwing it out there. You can have the rights for it. I don't WanNA credits. It's yours. Thank you okay just get to really dark place. You're just stuck with a woodblock and you're going. I wanted to really simple song. Okay now your what was your first song to hit the billboard top forty already or or to hit a maybe your first cut on an artist that people know maybe not. I you know I don't think people realize what a on an album is like and what a hit record looks. It's like can you maybe explain maybe the first big right you did or the first big hit you had and just kind of walk us through that experience yeah for sure. I mean it wasn't even it. It didn't end up being like a huge. Don't let me down. I like big game changing song for me but the first time I was like Oh actually doing this in a real way is I got two songs on Jessie. J's album and one of them masterpiece was the single and it did a thing in the UK and Canada but within the US but it was more just like that that was an artist that I so look up looked up to and firefighters and then to have songs on her album. Let's just like so surreal surreal. Where did you write with her. We were you. Did you travel overseas. Did you write in Wyoming. Did you ride in a van down by the river. Where did you guys have that writing session. I actually you see wasn't in the sessions those pitch. I wrote masterpiece with this amazing writer. Brett Burton the first day she and I met in La La and then I mean yeah I guess to explain to for for people realizing that don't know like a Lotta Times. I mean most times most artists except for you. You take outside songs so writers get together every single day pretty much of the week or the week days and write songs it was and does the best of those songs get sent out to people's managers. There publishers are directly to them and then if they connect with it they will cut cut it. Maybe change a few lyrics to make it more personal but most of most of Pop music is done that way and then there's obviously a handful of artists that are either always involved and what they're giving are completely ready. Get out now. I have to tell you how I discovered you. The the the the writer behind the music here is one of my clients appliances is Colton Dixon who is signed on Atlantic records and his is a David Silverstein and so Micah. I'm hearing all the time about hey you got to listen to the end the right wrist so I listened to every single show all and I got to yours and I went to college with with Ryan. Tetter so Ryan header actually played at my wedding and lived right across the hall from mean. We're good buddies and so I heard Ryan Cheddars and I heard yours and I'm like doc. I gotta get these people on the show my kids and I were addicted to song. Land and I just think what Ross has been doing to shine a light on songwriters. It has been 'cause I know these things because of my relationship with Ryan back in the day. It's fun to see the songs he released. No one really knows who writes the songs. Could you share about what role you feel like. Ross goal and has played in helping artists to maybe get. I don't know it's respect or the the credit I feel like at least from a grammy perspective. You're now getting credit for these things. Could you explain what of an input could impact. Ross has made on your songwriting community. Ross is absolutely taking the game. I mean be beyond what you said. which is the writer is podcast which is such a good resource not for everyone who's interested in this but like first barring songwriters people here so many different stories and see it's done so many different ways is incredible and I think something something else that I've spoken about and that he's confidence thinking about is is this kind of unfair treatment of songwriters how they're kind of at the bottom of the totem pole in terms of like how we get paid and how we get treated when deals are being made and I think airing that on the podcast and his action is really good for young songwriters who are thinking? I'm going to give up because I can't make any money doing this. It's like we've lost an almost lost. It's amazing writers because they can't survive because you can't even pay was working at pottery barn forever. He worked at Pottery Barn and like Nashville Wall Right. I remember he landed cut on Bubba sparks. His album called she tried that was the first big big hit forum and we're going. All the guys in college are going so. Where are you working at Pottery Barn. It's like you couldn't figure out. Could you explain how artists get paid because there's no two or maybe I'm wrong but there's no song without the the the there's there's there's no song songwriter. There's no tour without a songwriter. There's no merge with US songwriter. There's nothing there's no Alba without a songwriter so the song writers these are kind of like the the rebar in the concrete and the foundation of everyone's success but how how do you get paid if stream song right now on spotify if I'm going up the right now and I'm streaming. You're you're new and you're newest album on spotify. How do you get paid pretty not so basically streaming. Is Mass decide okay. let me see the clearest way to explain this. Basically there's publishing side and there's master side got it. Writers have a piece of writers and producers have a piece of the publishing which is money from radio money from sink film TV like any time. The song is played in a public place. and then masters side is song sales and streaming and stuff like that so. I mean I would get for a stream like a fraction of a fraction of sense which so so I I pay a company called custom channels dot net. I've I have a company. I started called elephant in the room. It's a it's a chain of men's ends grooming lounges and I know you travel to Oklahoma a lot for tourism but next time you come here for tourism to the SOD farms I'll give you a tour and we have four thousand members air and we play music overhead and I personally curate the playlist I choose every song so I've got four or five songs that you have written that are that are playing and I pay about a thousand dollars hours a month to play stuff that you have written and other people have written. Do you get paid more for that. I mean like side effects there. He the chain smokers side effects. We added that to the playlist here. I want to say about ten months ago twelve months ago. How do you get paid on that. Is it more if if it's through something like that or is it. Do you know I mean so if you're probably paying a fee to a PR like as capital B. M. Or something like that styles month and so then they yeah so that's that's how they even have like tracking and that's how they kinda split up the money that they make the people depending on which songs are playing host post stuff like that but the problem is a song writer can't really make any significant money unless they have a hit it on radio so like which is beyond messed up and here's here's like how that started which is back in the day when like let's say like Phil Spector's producing some Whitney Houston's album. I'm making this up. I don't even know I don't think he did he would get he would get paid a fee just a fee and knock it any of the back and not get any publishing you just get paid a fee a flat fee to like bring in musicians arrange change the songs. I do that kind of stuff and the songwriters all publishing but then as the role of the producer became more kind of integral and they were writing slash they were the ones coming up with the cores anonymous oceans now like when everyday go into a session as a producer there so then they I started to be like right. We need some of the publishing so we can make money on this depending on how well the song does so. They started cutting in to the publishing publishing that used to be just for the writers. the issue with that which. I don't believe that producers don't deserve publishing. I think they do but the issue shoe at that is the songwriters just gave up a piece of the pie which is often an equal pay to what they're getting now and didn't get any compensation so we don't don't get any fee in return like we didn't. We didn't make a trade. It was just like okay now. You're getting what we normally get and the biggest problem to two problems with that one is when the deal is being done like let's say Riana is taking some written three honest manager uh and labelling all these people are only communicating with the producer because that's the person they're buying the song from so things happen like go in and cut the song with her and they'll change all all these parts and technically even have to know about it because no one's thinking to Luton in 'cause. I'm not the person doing the deal song that I've written so so. That's the first problem. The second problem which is the real issue is if this this producers getting like ten grand for a song on his album. Let's say and let's say the album does okay but like it's track nine and it's never made into who is single and it just gets like how many streams that's doesn't take off at all the the producer will have gotten ten grand and the writer who barely had a say hey and whether or not that became a non album get pretty much nothing and gives away a song. They've written. So how did you get. How did you dollars? When when did you get to a place where you realize that you wouldn't be homeless or have you gotten to that place yet because you've been a major rights but the way you guys get paid as jacked up I mean when did you get to a place where you could finally have a little bit of financial peace and you're like okay because you don't do this for the money. I know it's Cathartic. I know it's poetry. I know it's something you give to the planet's gift of people I know that just by hearing enough interviews reviews with you. But when did you get to a place where you thought I am not going to be homeless this week. Yeah Yeah I mean it. was I mean I didn't make any money until a year a year and a half. Don't let me down was hit. That's another thing it takes forever for the money to come but I was lucky in the sense that I started doing it kind of when I was in college so I didn't have that much time between graduating and when I started making I mean I had signed a publishing deal that kind of helped me over but my friend I mean I tell this story all the time but my friend Caroline who I wrote new rules with we had written new rules and three months later we'd written new new rules and anr had come in and said there was no course that we literally just like forgot about the song and three months later. Caroline nine walked into session in London and told the producers who are friends of hers. I'm I'm quitting songwriting. I've been doing this for eight years. I'm not making any money. I don't WANNA ask. That's my parents borrow any more money. I have to know when to be realistic and call it and she cancelled her next two months of session and taking a job as a waitress and they were like you can't do that. You're too good like the world needs you don't give up and like everything will be different if you just wait give it one more year and they wrote a song called and this is another crazy full circle moment but they wrote a song that day called in a year from now and and literally the day to day the new rules went number one on radio she had her phone topped up memory how does and it popped the lyric sheet from in a year from now they had written it one year to the day to totally absurd. I told her the other day I was like. You need to start writing more songs about the things that you wanna have happened because that seems to work for you. Third Point is caroline whose fiercely seriously like probably one of the best song on the planet certainly one of the Best I've ever worked with one's about to stop writing songs when she had already written in new rules which is just like. It's shouldn't be that way like she. There should have been in eight years of her. Getting on people with album enough money to to survive and so Ross is actually doing a lot for that. I mean just in terms of. Are you going to get paid. When artists perform is that GONNA happen. Do you see that happening where when artist goes out and fills out in arena and merged and they're so do you ever see a deal a time and place where you as a writer could get like a three three sixty piece of the merch everything that's sold at that concert. I mean that would be amazing. I've had like that. I've had lyrics folks that I've written turned into like logos. That again is like track thirteen on the bonus version of an album that I think no money from so that's amazing yeah but the one thing that we are talking about and I'm really happy. We're having this conversation because I was talking about this like three days ago and I need to be inspired to get it done today. Yeah we're talking about starting a song on as union where if we all agree that we won't we will not accept people taking our songs unless there's a fee just like there's producers then there will be no like people have to pay fees because otherwise there's no songs for them to tell me this incorrect wrecked by saying the songwriting community is much smaller than people think but it has a bigger impact than you think. I mean is under basically about five hundred people in that niche. Three hundred people that are that you you guys are consistently writing what is considered top forty but there's not like thousands of you right. Isn't there about three to four hundred of you right yeah yeah. If even I mean it's a pretty small squad for sure I was listening. Everyone knows about everyone. I was listening to one of the and the writer is and it was the second one that Ross had record court of the second episode and he was doing the interview and he mentioned Ahmad Royal and then Bussey and a couple of guys is that Colton Dixon was riding with and I'm like I don't work with a lot of pop artists at all one and I keep hearing the same names and I'm like this is crazy yeah so small ooh. It is like a heist our small high school back like I mean that's when I first when actually wouldn't reaffirmed hit me up about fluke. I ended up going down the rabbit hole coppee and just saying like you'd Click one person's name and then see that they're on all these songs they'd written with and Click that name and then it was like all other times mall squad pressure well I have. I have three final questions for you and then I'll let you get back to being Miss Miss Wyoming here. One is your you decided to become an artist or release you. You've been an artist the whole time you know but you've decided to release. Leash your own work. We're not writing for other for some of your some of your music. How do you decide what Song to release for another artist and song to keep the song ritual that you put out there recently or I don't know I just I get get this one. A side effects is just a beautiful song. I don't see you in the video. I want to see I don't see you. I want to see and then you have something like ritual. That's that's it's your song. How do you decide which ones you keep. and which ones you give away because it got babies. Oh Yeah I mean I'm pretty pretty ah most of the time when I'm going into session. I'm detached in the sense that it's something I care about but just because I don't want things to be complicated when I really WanNa wreck right from myself. I kind of go in this physically for that. there was a couple of songs on my album two songs a song called just click and one called not ready to dance that have been written for pitch like six years prior to that. I just always didn't just always kept being like I. I don't want this person that cut it on person. Cut It that me realize okay. I I obviously want to sing the but in the case of the ritual song and side Effects and actually capsized song like I did a while ago with a band called friendship I had just kind of gone into to the writing session and done a demo vocal and then they ritual won't change smokers and friendship all had decided to keep me on it which I'm not always down for. It has to kind of be the right song and kind of go with my vision of myself but yeah. That's always really fun 'cause then. I don't have to be the one that's like seeing then so those are all great really really fun obviously like gives me a chance to come out and like sing one song with people at their shows or whatever it is. That's always just a good time. Now I saw an interview you did with Valerie morehouse house to be on the show. She'll be on the show here soon and on your your voice is off. I don't know if you're aware you're Kinda. Sneaky key awesome make your voice is i. I'm not rippin. I'm not ripping no. I'm not saying that I'm just saying like your voice is kind of like Mike posner sneaky awesome. I don't think people realize is how great Mike earners voices. How great your voices. It's really sneaky good Do you work with somebody like Valerie or do you do you do it on your. I mean talk talk to me about. Maybe what someone like Valerie does and do you have a vocal coach or yes. Valerie is my uncle coach. She is so ridiculously amazing. I my dad never let me take voice lessons. When I was younger because I would actually I'm glad he didn't because he wanted me to figure out my own voice before had someone teaching me and then I had I had done a few voice lessons with like random t I mean valley and I talk about this all the time but I done lessons with these teachers who voices to the stars and all these things and was always leaving being like that didn't feel helpful or like. I don't even know why like I can sing find out on my wife taking lessons but Valerie is judy reports teacher from the chain smokers and so she came I went on I went on tour with them a couple years ago and she I remember just hearing her talk to him and talking to other people the the actual anatomy of the larynx and your throat and what's happening when you're singing and why you shouldn't do certain things because it makes it harder to saying thing and you can't have certain oats. I remember watching her and thinking okay that I'm interested in because the way the only way I personally can learn anything is when it's when I fully understand the whole picture and it's explained got and voice lessons with Valerie are so meeting she doesn't it's not just like running through scale like a lot of teachers do and then not explaining what you're doing right or wrong. It's very scientific and very comprehensive and I've literally cried and voices heard because I'm hitting notes. I've never had before. She's the most incredible teacher. I've felt very lucky to work with our. I'M GONNA I'm GonNA sneak in just a couple of questions and I'll let you hang up on me. Okay Yeah I heard it. You've written over nine hundred songs nine hundred songs nearing two thousand now. Okay okay so I'm old old school. I'm getting old information here. I just wanted to ask you the songs that you don't release them. I'm just kidding but seriously what do you do with these songs. I'll get here why why are we being stabbing deprived. I mean we've put out almost two thousand of my podcasts and we we we to shove a few of them for various reasons or whatever ever but at the end of the two thousand songs. Why can't we hear him. What do you do with well first of all. They're definitely not all good. That would be bogus. I'd like to say no. I mean especially at the beginning. Scott Scott here talking about before before I read. Don't let me down with WHO's like we fully came up together and he's the best but we used to. We used to write these songs that were so ridiculous and so bad and then be so much data that no one was cutting them and I listen now and I'm like well or are we talking about but there's a lot of them are practice that kind of gets you to the good one of them it a huge disappointment that they don't come out genuinely and I like whenever I'm out of writing camper. I'm GONNA session session. I always ask threatening. I'm working with the play music because I feel the same way as you. I'm always like these songs shouldn't just be sitting on the hard drives and need to hear but I we're all scared of releasing stuff or putting stuff out because there's a chance that it might get cut by someone at some point but yeah. I don't know it's definitely a devastating mass. Definitely why put those two songs when Ireland too because I thought if no one wants to cut these especially I think they're so special that I'd rather them. Just be out in the world then like hope that one day it's going to cut it. We'll the way you're shooting your view of your videos. are beautiful. They're really well done and I think that I would like to encourage listeners to check out. I love the listeners just to say listen here. Just plan your weekend. All you you gotTa do is just take block out three hours. Just listen to all of imagery warrants stuff but maybe we can ask him to listen to one particular song. Is there a particular song that you've recently released that you might say hey. This is something because we all know new rules. If you've had a car you know in the last five years three years you've heard that song do elite but you've heard that we all know about the chain smokers we all know about. Sean does know about these big hits but is there something you've personally written for yourself that you've written and recorded and put out there that you would like for us to check out with my own voice you mean. Oh Yeah great question. I think trying to decide between two but I I to not okay. I gotTa do not ready to dance the one I mentioned before. It's like one of my I learned a lot in writing that song just in terms of like how important talk to me the storytelling is I think we just had so much fun putting that song together and making every single line support support the idea and lead to the chorus basically so that that's I'm proud of that. One point point the other songs on my album that I feel like I wrote that actually with my boyfriend who did it and we just kind of it was one of those epiphany moments where we were just mining from what we were writing. The song was just kind of coming through us so that's another favorite of mine so it'd be the two will miss Wisconsin or Miss Wyoming. Oh Man could be missed Wisconsin Miss New York now ms that you do. You kind of sound like you are from. I grew up in Minnesota and you have kind of that Minnesota Wisconsin. It's invited you to spend some time up there or something no really fit right in there with Finn and Bjorn and Shit Plus Ski. All my buddies is growing. Raw should get over there. Yeah we'll take you so much for taking time out of your busy schedule. I cannot thank you. Thank you really appreciate it thrive nation. If you have yet to Checkout Emily Warren's music check out the two songs she recommended not ready to dance by Emily Warren and the point by Emily Warren on Youtube or spotify. Wherever you can hear great music itunes check her out this lady is is a powerhouse when it comes to writing pop music as a kids and just great songs and we liked each and every show where the boom and so now without further ado here we go free to what Pope Doc?