Grange Hall Cultural Center and Flood Insurance
The promo radio vermont. It's the dave graham show on w._d. It's your show about the people places and the issues that matter the most of you now. Here's your host dave graham good morning. Promoted is tuesday august the thirteenth and year mckinney's waterbury studios of w._d. W._d. This morning and we've got a good show lined up for you. Today we call on mine is my first courses the managing editor of digger and his frequent guests on the dave graham show here on w._d. E._v. f._m. and a._m. And following colin is going to be monica callin- from the grange ancient cultural center a terrific local institution getting on its feet here in waterbury <hes>. They're going to be holding fundraising dance later this month. We're gonna talk to monica about that as well as some of the other reason activities going on at the grange hall cultural center and <hes> in the last hour of the program. We're going to have an interesting conversation. I think about jeff flooding flood insurance protecting your property both physically and financially against flood zone read egan from fema. The federal emergency management agency is is going to be my guest in the second hour and informative conversation about about that just as <hes> peak hurricane season approaches folks. We don't know if there's anything in the the forecast we don't actually think so right now but <hes> of course at this time eight august ago tropical storm irene was not in the forecast either. I don't think so there you go l. Weather happens and sometimes you need to react to it and we ought to be ready so i wanna start right out this morning my guest <hes> columbine. Thanks for coming in collin. A pleasure and column is a he's a returning champion. He actually is probably the most frequent <hes> regular guest on the dave ramsey show and we really appreciate collins participation here the managing editor of e._t. Diggers i i i think a key guy to get here because <hes> he has his finger on the pulse of so many stories in vermont and digger of course is out there gathering them up and putting them on that terrific website every day and keeping people informed vote with what goes on in our state so what's the top story digger this morning colin well <hes> <hes> bernie sanders <hes> came out last night in iowa and followed on his chief advisers <hes> comments earlier in the day <hes> that's jeff weaver and they're all all sort of going really hard at the media sort of focusing their ir <hes> on the washington post in particular. There's since <hes> burn announced <hes> earlier this year that he was running for president president again <hes> they say the washington post has really made it their job to go after him and posting critical story after critical story <hes> and you you know the senator standards <hes> showed echoes of the man he's trying to beach <hes> in the oval office right now donald trump and said that he believes the suggested certainly certainly that <hes> the reason the washington post is being so critical of his campaign is because he's gone so hard on amazon and of course jeff bezos the owner of amazon is also the <hes> owner of the washington post which is claim that you know donald trump has sort of tie the two together has talked about <hes> you know going after amazon <hes> sort of reducing their control of the market and that sort of thing because he's unhappy with the washington post coverage so <hes> sanders immediately caught a lot of flack from the media and marty baron editor of the washington post put out a quick end strongly-worded response saying that that was is absolutely not the case <hes> and that you know politicians often like to find things to blame themselves for negative media coverage and marty baron the editor of the washington post by the we of course <hes> people may recognize that name he was the editor of the boston globe during their spotlight coverage back in the early two thousands at one of the globe pulitzer prize and <hes> he he <hes> gained an awful lot of respect for handling that tough story and a very sensitive thorough way <hes> with when he was with the boston low. I was that that whole team in there. He's moved on to the washington post and eat and for the last several years now he's been the editor of the post wild jeff bezos has been the owner and barron earned insists that the visa has had absolutely no effort to interfere he never gets a phone call apparently saying here's how to handle this story or here's how to cover this politician or whatever over <hes> and and so it sounds like a bernie may be sort of barking up the wrong tree year one a little distinction between i think the media criticism criticism we hear from bernie sanders in that we hear from donald trump. Donald trump likes to refer to the media as the enemy of the american people. He talks about fake fake news all the time and that sort of thing. I don't think sanders has resorted to any of that. <hes> you know i think he sort of grouses and complains about the the coverage gets it's of course he has from vermont media from time to time as well and so <hes> this is nothing new bernie but i do think it's a different flavor flavor and intensity than the stuff we hear from the president yeah i mean that's absolutely true obviously the enemies of the people type of rhetoric and sort of when it gets to a sort of violent point and not being willing to back down from that i mean you know when i said there's echoes the two certainly they're not identical but i do think that <hes> you know bernie sanders has shown a great deal of sort of hostility distrust toward the media you know when he talks about sort of in vermont <hes> calls the one of the more noteworthy political columnists miss in the state of gossip columnist is a way of sort of <hes> not wanting to talk to him and just sort of undercutting <hes> trust and faith in you know those of us who are trying to sort right about what's going on in politics and you know i mean certainly he has <hes> no trust that there is a good faith effort to cover his campaign <hes> among the mainstream media or we're minneapolis and vermont as well. I think we're all pretty familiar with <hes> that <hes> and it does seem though that his campaign is sort of making a concerted effort to <hes> sort sort of make amends with immediate some ways i mean this is coming as they just announced that they're having a sort of campaign staff versus media a softball game in iowa so you know i think there's a recognition among you know the sanders campaign that their relationship with media outlets is not a great <hes> in some efforts sorta patched that up but at the same time seeing the stories that are out there and feeling like they have to sort of hit back at that and say that you know there's a bad faith effort to cover their campaign. <hes> the bernie sanders with it's kind of interesting to me because i was i covered in for a long time as a reporter in vermont and <hes> one of the things that i've noticed i over the years is that <hes> while all this coverage has been going on. There's we get in the media. <hes> you even on days. We're we're generally trying to be balanced and objective and all those good things but but there is a really concerted effort among various conservative organizations and so on in the state in the country <hes> i to basically basham media at every opportunity and sometimes even when these opportunities seem not to exist as in you know i read conservative columnists and it's and it's sort of like if you don't have anything to write about on a given tuesday you can always bash the liberal media and there's really been a concerted effort by the conservative elements in our country to back quote unquote bash the liberal media at least since say it really came to the fore after vietnam and watergate which is probably the last time in american history that the press seriously challenge challenge the powers the powers that be in our society and on a on a real heavy duty basis enough to bring down a president in for instance and in many ways and a war and so i think the <hes> i think there has been for for most of our careers a a just this constant carping really from the right about two liberal media and you know i've said to people before if you're driving down the road <hes> and the <hes> the the <hes> person in the front passenger he keeps yelling at you for driving too close to the center line. You're gonna stare a little bit to the right. It's just a natural reaction and so i i think people understand this and there is a there is has has been a real concerted effort to try to steer the media away from challenging the powers that be in in our in our government coming in in big business the other powerful elements in our society and you wonder if you know if bernie sanders were sort of <hes> you know republican involved in a twenty any person race <hes> making these kind of comments whether it would even be noticed you know i mean i think sort of this criticism you know <hes> you know not terribly strident but just sort of direct criticism of the washington post questioning of its motivations. I'm not sure if that were coming from someone on the right side of the sort of political spectrum whether it would leap out in the way this has but i think seeing it come from democrat during a time where the democrats have sort of been you know <hes> the defenders of a free press and in some ways during a time where the republican president is really going on the attack <hes> but at the same time you know <hes> bernie's an anti establishment candidate and you know that establishment <hes> certainly extends to companies he's like amazon and to people like jeff bezos and you know they've talked about their pride and sort of making enemies out of these <hes> mega rich <hes> business leaders. There's so the idea that you know that sort of mentality would extend to the media and terribly surprising yeah. I mean i sanders is welcome to for low wages ages or whatever you know workplace issues at amazon to criticize company like that criticize walmart whoever i just think it's really kind of he's missing the target these missing what's actually going on here. Which again is this. I mean thinking about this. Just in the tiny vermont example here you know for most of my career as a reporter i've had pick up the phone or pick up a newsletter something every few days and hear complaints from this outfit called the ethan allen institute and it doesn't matter what i'm writing. It's just i'm always i'm always too far the left if i'm at all to the left of the allen institute we've never had a matthew lyons institute scarfing at me from the left for my entire career in vermont and so <hes> you know the only the only real person out there who occasionally carps at us from the left is bernie sanders and so <hes> to to have these tanks out there and all the battery of columnists out there. You know i used to hear these complaints all the time in the seventies eighties nineties and then it occurred to me one day. There's only one person who has a regular appearance on a weekly show on a._b._c. The the the main column newsweek magazine and is a top washington post syndicated columnists this during the highlight the absolutely you know apex of the liberal media in this country that person was named george will so i i think i get a rest my case there that this is a really skewed situation here <hes> <hes> that i personally have lived with experience throughout my career and and the <hes> to watch bernie sanders pick on this one ownership relationship i the e._s._p._n. Foolish i think he really what he really needs to do is to say there is a structural thing happening here. Which is that the media had been bashed from the right for forty year forty or fifty years now and i guess what is having an effect yeah and his <hes> you know jeff weaver his chief advisor sort of extended the criticism to m._s._n._b._c. and some of the other t._v. News programs and sort of said that they've also sort of had this barrage of negative headlines and <hes> you know you talked about sort of what's actually going on here and i think think these news organizations would say what's actually going on is that bernie sanders campaign is having a really tough time. <hes> it's looking bad in the polls. You know <hes> in places like iowa. It's looking really bad which which is obviously where the attention has been this week <hes> and therefore the media's attention has been there as well so when you see him you know in fourth place or something like that in iowa <hes> you know with a v with as many sort of percentage points as joe biden who's leading the race there <hes> then why wouldn't you write stories about how you know. This is not twenty sixteen and i was not feeling the burn learn this time around. It seems and that sort of thing so i mean obviously if the campaign you know turn things around and bernie ends up being the nominee then perhaps in some ways they've indicated but <hes> <hes> you know you can hardly blame the media for you. You can sort of argue with whether the horse races the right way to be covering the presidential campaign but <hes> that certainly the status quo and as long as journalists are covering the horse race. He can't blame him for <hes> covering the latest polls which show the bernie's not doing so well yeah i mean there is some reality underneath all this after all folks so that's the other thing that any candidate has to deal with and <hes> if you're sliding in the polls your sliding in the polls and you can try to believe media for reporting that all day long but at the end of the day you need to figure out some way of getting your numbers view if you want not to be sliding in the polls so the you know it's always it is shoot the messenger kind of situation we <hes> very very often in our in our line of work and <hes> and you know i think most of us are sort of shrug it officer yes okay. We're used to it but <hes> in in terms of br in sanders understanding. I'm a little surprised that <hes> that he's he's still spinning it this way. After all of this experience that he's had <hes> you would think he would have learned by now. I i don't know maybe not yeah. I mean and i think we can agree that. If if your senior advisers having to tell media to get on the phone to try to spend the polls tell them that they're covering the wrong story then that's just just generally a bad sign for where the campaign is not a good place so all right well we will <hes> of course <hes> trying to <hes> continue continue rattling the sanders cage peace candidate sanders. The occasional hawk is the headline. I'm looking at here and you know and the reality is bernie. Sanders does have have a legitimate question to be asked of him. Which is that is historically been a critic of <hes> <hes> military spending and so on in the united states and we have this giant weapon system coming to his home city burlington vermont called the f thirty five and bernie sanders is supporting that so the fact that he has to take questions about that doesn't seem you want to is that really on the media or is that bernie's issue yeah and you know i mean he he might say that you know he's been in politics for decades <hes> and that you know on rare occasions for specific reasons he's sort of broken with his you know <hes> fight against the military industrial complex are against foreign intervention and that sort of thing but obviously when you're running for president you know that <hes> raises the scrutiny by one hundred times and you can expect that each decision or each sort of major position that you staked out <hes> you you know something that you're going to have to explain and he's just been really resistant to any sort of nuanced discussion of his <hes> you know sort of political career and instead prefers to speak in sort sort of broad strokes about his sort of political philosophies and that sort of thing which makes it really hard to sort of have a discussion with him. We did get <hes> his one of his advisors to talk about the story that <hes> are bernie reporter kit norton row looking at a few times over the decades when he has broken with his sort of <hes> anti intervention in you know his sort of peace <hes> position and has supported a foreign intervention and invading foreign countries call. Let's talk about a couple of stories at v._d._i. Has been carrying being in the last day or so. <hes> and one is that <hes> the burlington city council unanimously voted last night at two <hes> oppose the nuclear mission for vermont want de vermont guards <hes> f thirty five's <hes> the planes are due to start arriving next month though it seems like it's kinda late to be mixing it up on this stuff. Isn't it yeah i mean i hate to <hes> you know sort of break the folks but i i don't expect that this vote will <hes> prevent the f thirty five's from <hes> showing up in burlington air force. It's an old c._d. Count okay yeah forget. We didn't mean it. I mean you know the they put this to a vote. This is <hes> about a year and a half ago something like that <hes> <hes> and burlington <hes> you know the by a majority vote voted to not have thirty five's coming all <hes> they succeeded in that vote but it didn't <hes> change the air force's mind <hes> and this is an issue that came up in the legislature a few months ago which is whether or not vermont amonte will allow the f thirty five to carry nuclear weapons <hes> and there was this sort of <hes> idea out there that <hes> thirty five's how to nuclear mission and that was shot down by the air force. <hes> you know however there is this sort of idea that in the future that thirty five can be nuclear equipped <hes> and that sort of decision is would be made confidentially and therefore you know just by virtue of having these jets in vermont and in burlington they could become equipped with nuclear weapons without anyone knowing so there's been this movement the last few months to oppose in principle the idea that nuclear weapons would it'd be based in vermont i that happened in the legislature and last night it happened in the burlington city council yeah and and and again you know month at the before the first couple of these planes do arrive in september i i had <hes> we had <hes> colonel <hes> david smith of the vermont air national guard on the wing commander. They're on a on the dave ramsey show just last thursday. I believe it was and he did tell us pretty emphatically that there was no plan to have a nuclear mission for these planes leans in at the burlington international airport at the vermont airbase air guard base there <hes> so we're not any real conscious strong contrary evidence you have. Let's take the man of his word. I would think and say we doubt it doubt it's happening. Let's go to fred newbury. We got a caller <hes> good morning fred in morning. When you look at the f thirty five nuclear weapons <hes> you have to use common sense. Why would the government allow a single single pilot fly all the way across the atlantic ocean with a nuclear weapon on a plane. That's going to have to be refueled at least three times. It doesn't make any logical sense and he probably only can carry one. I mean it's just the dumbest thing i've ever heard when we've got all kinds of other delivery services probably ten times better so we're going to launch a nuclear attack against russia or something you'd probably what do it from aircraft carriers closer to russia's at the eddie or what the thing that they probably views would be intercontinental ballistic missiles submarine missiles okay they would use it wouldn't it wouldn't fly planes aww burlington and sending them yeah they wouldn't. They wouldn't even fly beef baotou over there. Yeah i mean it's just doesn't make logical sense when i can't believe people. Can i think that burlington is going to attack the soviet union with an f thirty five and it's going to be at least three four five thousand miles away. Yeah i mean it's an interesting perspective you offer their friend and that's why i appreciate the callers out there. Who will maybe maybe thinking about things <hes> i mean. Can you imagine being a commander and say. I want a single pilot. I i get your point. I think i think he i think he made your point. I'm gonna move on but i appreciate the call. Thank you very much. <hes> i think it's worth noting that the department of defense and they're sort of nuclear preparedness reports which they put together on annual basis have have included that thirty five is an important part of that <hes> as an important part of this sort of nuclear the u._s. nuclear fleet <hes> whether that's f thirty five's based in vermont or graf thirty five's based in europe you know is difficult to say at this point but <hes> sort of for those who are linking the two there is the department of defense itself has said that thirty five's will need to be nuclear capable and we'll be part of the u._s. nuclear arsenal there well. There's an interesting counter. I mean i guess spreads fred's issue. Here is that the distance of burlington from burlington to <hes> some are some of the i guess <hes> more likely targets here <hes>. It's so far that you probably would not make this flight do you do you have any sense of <hes>. I mean what's your thought on that particular point their talent. Yeah i mean one of the more interesting things that happened happened during the debate that played out in the legislature a few months ago is that you know a pilot who was based in burlington talked about having flown <hes> nuclear testing runs during his time in burlington acton saying that there were nuclear weapons stored here in the seventies. I believe <hes> so obviously very different. Technology was available then available now and <hes> there's probably much stronger air inter ballistic missile capabilities and that sort of thing but the idea that nuclear weapons would be stored in vermont for foreign wars. Is you know not remote at all. What's what's that a source told me that they were <hes> there. Were nuclear weapons occasionally trucked from the plattsburgh airbase then existent down to down to the portsmouth naval air station station right down eighty nine through vermont on flatbed trucks through burlington montpellier etc so <hes> the stuff as wouldn't be brand at new who i guess is <hes> one thing to think about <hes> and the truth is a matter. Is that whatever whatever happens. We won't know about it for until thirty years after the fact so you in the military has a huge amount of discretion <hes> to sort of keep things confidential and secret so you know what does or doesn't play out <hes> you you know we all know more discretion than transparency. That's for sure hey calling mine. <hes> i wanna thank you very much for coming in this morning. Colin is the managing editor reiki digger. The end always a great guest on the show great thanks. Hey we're gonna take a brief break for some c._b._s. 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She is head of the grange hall cultural center in waterbury and <hes> i. This is an institution solution that <hes> is getting off the ground. I guess it's still fairly early in its in its revitalized career. Although grange halls have a long and distinguished career career throughout american history really as a place where communities together and i want to learn a little bit about that from monica callan to i hope and <hes> monica monica good morning thank you for joining the program completely and <hes> so <hes> you <hes>. Let's let's start out with sort of current events here and i i was reminded about. I want to get somebody from the grange hall cultural centre on to talk about the overall program there and i was reminded of that because last week popping into my email mel was a news release from you talking about it an upcoming dance at the grange hall cultural cultural center. It looks like a swing dance. Tell us about that. It's <hes> <hes> swing dance at the dance at the grange hall <hes> it's with the green mountain swing band. It's a seventeen piece live big band <hes> uh-huh so they're gonna fill the stage and about real life trombone trumpet saxophone. I'll all the bells and whistles. No synthesizers incisors folks. That's going to be really shocking. No this is an old time band or an old. <hes> you know for old fashioned fun time <music>. There's going to be a vermont swings which is an organization here in in <hes> burlington <hes> but they're kind of all over the stay the kind of people from all over the state but <hes> they're gonna come down and do a free dance class <hes> to brush up and to give you the basics at six thirty thirty and then at seven thirty. The music is going to start upstairs. This is all on august twenty fourth which i gather would be a week from this coming saturday right and <hes> so get get your dancing shoes out folks and get ready to <hes> and so what i'm thinking what are we talking about benny goodman and glenn miller kinda music or yeah okay. There's <hes> they'll probably throw in a couple of other things to other familiar <hes> pieces but yeah the <hes> it's a fundraiser for the <hes> grange hold cultural center a renovation fund and the scholarship program for the green mountain swing band give <hes> they give scholarships out to kids at school to continue ah studies with music well. I have to confess one of the reasons. It's released caught. My eye was i'm a i'm an old trombone player from way back and so when i saw this <hes> this thing about a real big band coming to the scene said <hes> while that that sort of warms the cockles a little bit and and <hes> you know i just i mean i do think that there there is a lot to be said for and i wanna put it in a plug for for listeners out there. If you check out some of the big bands they seem to be a second flowering of the big band era almost sta in the one thousand nine hundred seventies. There was some great groups back then the toshiko akiyoshi. Lew toboggan big band is my personal favourite can say that so she he also was a is a japanese pianist <hes> and and <hes> she <hes> was one of the leaders of this ban along with great great tenor sax player luther back in and they they just they did some really great stuff <hes> bill watterson manhattan wildlife refuge so there's a lot of it's not just the forties people think glen miller and woody herman and benny goodman and all those guys who were terrific by the way but there was a definitely a later a later version is i don't know whether this group will get into any of the later stuff that that came out of course a lot of folks i think remember doc severinsen the tonight show orchestra and so on and so anyway that little diversionary music history for you i want but the grandchild cultural center is also fascinating dating me because it it seems as though you do a wide range of things not just musical events <hes> was what does the overall purpose of this organization. Would you say monica callan well. The the overall purpose is to get people together to get people to know who their neighbors are do it with <hes> in a context of sharing your talent sharing being <hes> sharing fun activities <hes> exploring our tagline is create connect and celebrate <hes> <music> so anything that fits into that is really what it's all about and it's about the community. It's a place for the community to come and share what they do and um and have some fun dylan it yeah. It seems like a nifty thing now now. <hes> is this housed in a in a place that was great hall for a long time before and now sort of getting getting a revitalization. Tell us about that well so in the eighteen fifties. Nobody's really sure what year it was but it may eighteen fifties the the bell in the bell tower says eighteen sixty three <hes> and that came later but <hes> in the eighteen fifties it was built <hes> to be a baptist church coach and over time <hes> they they every winter they would sort of closed shops and move over to the waterbury center church on route one hundred so they were only feeding one stove and after a while i think what happened was they were like well. We like you guys. Why are we maintaining two buildings buildings and so they the <hes> at the same time that <hes> they were going through that process the grange hall or the <hes> the grange range organization number two thirty seven in waterbury center was growing and it outgrew the living rooms and the kitchens chins and all the other places they were meeting and so the <hes> they bought the church and they put a floor halfway up the sanctuary and created a basically a dance hall and a meeting space and then downstairs <hes> they eventually put a kitchen and <hes> so they had two floors to to work work <hes> and and to to gather so <hes> the grange hall organization was very active of course in agriculture culture because that's where their <hes> their activities based. It's a <hes> <hes> a national group <hes> i hope i can. I hope i'm speaking properly about that's because it's so close dear to so many people <hes> <hes> in this community anyway who are still around <hes> but it's <hes> you know it was it was formed to actually create <hes> a network of lobbying interests across the country because when the railroads is came through they were not giving the farmers <hes> <hes> a fair deal on their on their <hes> crops in they're the things that they brought to the railroad to send out and so <hes> it was a really powerful lobbying force. It was amazing that all these small farms all over the country. We're able to organize and have that kind of power in washington d._c. So the legislation was changed and they were able to get the proper price for their crops and for things that they brought brought to the <hes> to the market so sort of a almost fraternal organization of farmers essentially was the main germ for the things starting out yeah it was because that was that was the <hes> model that was working at that time <hes> you know is a very <hes> sort of male dominated <hes> <hes> sort of <hes> societal <hes> structure <hes> there was also a sorority <hes> it in waterbury center the re beckons were this sorority of that group and they all got together all the time and boy. Did they have fun. I hear stories about you know <unk> having dances every week or every you know several times a month <hes> upstairs and they were a little while they were having a good time. You grew up in waterbury. Is that right. I grew up in my center and what got you interested in doing in in leading this project well oh gosh well i. I drove by it every day i live. I live two miles away. I'd have to pass it through waterbury center and and you know as a kid i saw things happening there <hes> in the seventy s <hes> and then as in the eighties it just sort of died out what a lot of the activity so it was always a one it was i was always wondering what happened in that building mom and then when i was doing programming oh gosh <hes> nearly twenty years ago we we my husband and i who we create theater and so we went to the grange hall and said hey what's can we rent this out so we did programming there for quite a few years but we could only do so much because we realized that the lights that we wanna plug into theater would probably burn the place waist down where we were worried about that and so <hes> at one point we asked them if they wanted you know if we could rewire the place in have have time designated time to do the theater but they had other things going on so i think what we did was plant a seed at that time <hes> <hes> and then when tropical storm irene came into waterbury and my husband's office was destroyed and everything sort of flipped on its head it and i had been trying. I think it was three three or four times. Before tropical storm irene i had tried to generate a an arts arts center effort in waterbury. 'cause it was something that i missed as a kid. We had great support at the high school but <hes> that was that was thirteen miles away way so that was that was a lot especially in the seventies with oil embargo and driving. Was you know you only you only burn gas when you need it two so it was it was hard to get together and so it was something that i wanted and so when tropical storm irene came in. I was like wait. Maybe maybe maybe people are talking about new ideas. Maybe this is the time and so i i became a fema project champion and got a lot of information about <hes> the town and what their desires were and who was interested in that and who you know who <hes> who wanted to come on board and who wanted to see that happen to mom and in the process of looking for a place that was sustainable with the we tried all sorts of different buildings and and <hes> the grange people <hes> <hes> came to me <hes> came to us and said hey <hes> we are are in a place where we need to dissolve organization. Would you take over the building and make it a public. Keep it up in public use and we were like oh my gosh. We didn't even think about this. Yes this is perfect. This is wonderful and to be able to <hes> revitalize this building that i drove by several times a day growing up and in my lifetime i'm thrilled to have that happen and it gives us a place to do what we wanna do and it gives other people a place for for them to do what they wanna do too because there's not a lot of spaces like that in waterbury. That's really interesting and i'm trying to figure out i mean the grange. The national grange still is yeah going organization from what i can gather them and i've just been looking online a little bit find out about green and and you know they're they're out there lobbying for better rural broadband dan service so we know that something going on in these modern times realize related to grange. I haven't had a chance to reach out to them and get a lot of details on that. But what what why is it that the local chapter here in waterbury faded away to the point where they decided they needed to dissolve well. I can only tell you what i what what i understand not being grainger myself on. There's whole a whole bunch of things things that happened. <hes> events that happened that led up to that one of the biggest ones was in the nineteen eighties the legislation that the national legislation change to support the big firms the mega farms in this country to produce food and and so all the smaller farms sorta went by the wayside and they it was it was it was a struggle and at the same time <hes> if you know if my recollection of the <hes> the records the the local grains records that i <hes> have have seen <hes> there were some. I'm really charismatic. Leaders that <hes> unfortunately at the same time got sick or <hes> or died or and so the leadership <hes> was not where it was and everybody was struggling to save their farm at the same time and you know it was just a conflict of of you know a perfect rick storm to really make it difficult for them to continue and so when they came to us there were three people <hes> who were diligently working <hes> in the grain keeping things going and doing events and one of them had a heart attack and that was sort of the end of it because it was just it was too much for three people take three people in their later years to take on so long comes. Your group is then is completely separated distinct from the greens. You're just calling the green cultural center because it's in the old grange hall well and we want to honor the community work that they did and what we don't. We want to make sure that that's not forgotten in fact <hes> on october fourth. We're going to have a naming ceremony and naming <hes> the the the new kitchen that we've put in mechanical room to the people who <hes> we saw doing so much work for so many years. That's that's a nice nice thing. It sounds like it'll be a good event yeah well yeah. We hope so. It's it's <hes> it's open to the community sued anybody who wants to come and share a story <hes> <hes> that would be that would be fantastic and what is your sense about this sustainability of this. I mean i would gather any new organization. That's trying to come up with the budget in a plan and cetera. Are you confident. Are you feeling good. I'm feeling good. You know it's it's a long view you know we we are worried <hes> <hes> we are not worried about <hes> the long view. It's you know it's just just figuring out the little shifts and moves along the way we've had a bunch of surprises as is usual and nothing you know if i didn't learn anything else in the fema process. The takeout with a big takeaway is it never happens when you think it will or how you think it will <hes> so it's it's the long view view and we're just plugging away. We're doing things incrementally and we're gonna make it happen so it's <hes> whether or not it's going to happen. My particular look desired. Timeline is another is another question but you know yeah well. That's an that's great and i think your your <hes> owned and work in all this is definitely to be honored and given kudos and so don't tell me monaco. What are some of the other events we. We've talked about the jio coming dance on the big band swing dance on the twenty fourth of august. What what else you got playing. We we have so much going on here. <hes> we have <hes> a kids crow program coming in called brain dance basics. It's about kinetic learning rachel o'donnell donald and <hes> <hes> a._b. Two is coming in to do that and they're going to be running that tuesday's in from <hes> ten from ten end to eleven <hes> starting at september tenth. We have yoga classes with <hes> kate. Green leaves yoga <hes> restoration yoga classes which are awesome tom. I'm i'm sewing missing this summer so i'm so glad she's coming back <hes> we so we have this. We have a bunch of shows was coming up. We have well. We have <hes> a body beautiful exhibit happening. <hes> which is celebrating the all the different forms that the body comes in <hes> <hes> we have a book making workshop and nature journaling workshop. We have <hes> a couple of theater performances that are <hes> coming in renting the space space out <hes> and we have a stranger play fest which is an all woman created <hes> <hes> festival <hes> four playwrights from across north america geico one of them here in vermont. <hes> that's coming into the september. <hes> we have the ribbon cutting <hes> of the kitchen and naming cermony for the kitchen and the mechanical room. We have cookies hot club plan on october fifth <hes> oh i'm sorry that's october fourth the friday. That's after the ribbon cutting <hes> and that they're just really awesome. Dance band there gypsy jazz funk man coming in. They're all local and they're just amazing. <hes> we have a rusty dewees is coming in in the middle of october for two shows is on his tiny town hall tour excellent so that'll be super fun. <hes> that's october eleventh and twelfth <hes> and on october over twenty six we have <hes> just actually bumped into the other organizer <hes> on that one <hes> sarah white hair. We're gonna do a a halloween dance costume fundraiser party. <hes> thanks way is going to play. We're going to have a chili cook off. If there's going to be a costume contest rest and <hes> that's october twenty sixth <hes> the saturday before halloween and all the proceeds will benefit the <hes> grange hall all center fire alarm okay. Nobody's remembering all of this and the vermont food bank nor are they taking all these notes donna's faster years because what they're going to do is they're gonna go to your website right yeah. It's not quite up there yet. We're yeah because we got <hes> i. I'm i'm working with the <hes>. I'm working on my website with my web. Guy okay folks. Hey let's let's get a caller on the show here jim for berries unlike good morning jim hi hi good morning. I just want to commend you on your organization's. After restoring old buildings it's great to see i like this. Put back into the you know useful purpose and and and certainly as you know an asset to the community. I wanna make a suggestion though <hes> if you're going to invoke the grains name i think you should become a little more <hes> knowledgeable about the history of it <hes> i. I left the radio on because it was about rain. I i recall background interest <hes> but <hes> agriculture is it's intrinsic to the <hes> it's up the core of history in grange was integral to <hes> <hes> to agriculture all around the country and and and <hes> you sound like you have an appreciation for it and and certainly you wanted to do right by it but there's a rich history there air of why the vermont <hes> farms declined <hes>. It's not <hes> just the blame on the federal government. <hes> you know i think even even the people themselves i think probably disagree and what what the answer to that is. Your answer should not offend anyone going to just blame it on changes in federal government that support big <hes> it. It just doesn't go there. I mean there's a whole history of the whole hurt by out. An regulations regulations were huge part of it when they put in <hes> <hes> they require them to put cement flaws in the stables in the sixties that knocked out a whole bunch of people balked tearing the bulk tank from the real complicated and and and and rich history in the in agriculture and of course <hes> and in the decline of agriculture that we've seen in recent decades i would i i gather. You're you're telling us jim that's that's exactly true and and the thing is i think you could use the grain connection as this is an extension from a community activity jiminy onto a different community activities need to history jim. I got out of the end of this segment. I thank you very much for calling in this morning. You raise a good point. Wait <hes>. There's a lot a lot more behind behind what we're talking about here. Sometimes jim i'd love to talk to you further on that so contact the grange hall cultural centre and ask for monica <music>. Hey we're about the top of the hour monica callen thanks so much for coming in alaska cultural center folks and we will be back with more than eight gram show just a yeah. I wish i had a dollar for every compliment. I get about our selection upstairs at the warren store. The season's collection boasts country casual clothing for men and women dresses dresses for summer weddings and events they clothing from sue chano and doodle pants and fair trade jewelry from around the world. I'm excited about a new line of pottery from londonderry vermont also also illuminated paper stars for outdoor fun. It's a great day trip to warn village comfort lunch on the deck and upstairs for some unique retail therapy fund funky and friendly and almost world famous now back to the nave graham show w d._a._v. f._m. And we continue into our second hour here on this tuesday morning program today graham show here in w._d. And i wanna welcome to the air this morning. Tomsk materia talk media news. He joins us to broaden the lens here a little bit and get us thinking about and talking about some national and international issues. What's on your plate this morning time well good morning. <hes> you know there's a lot of things at the the pentagon is watching and still seeking clarity on i'll go through three in a real quickly and then we could talk about whatever you wish. One is <hes>. There's an investigation going on as to why u._s. Marine was killed in hostile action in iraq in confrontation with isis generally u._s. Forces are not on the front lines is in iraq any longer they provide air support logistical support the second one is what really happened in this this nuclear explosion in russia russia's testing a new you type of nuclear powered missile which of course would be huge leap in technology and then the third is <hes> the military's on concern and i wouldn't put some say alert that would be my word as to what's happening in hong kong which with the chinese military getting a position at some perhaps assault the city or something like that wow now yeah those are those are three <hes> three significant developments that doesn't count you know you look at the world. Sometimes you have growing growing feud between south korea and japan to u._s. Allies now. That's not going to lead to warfare course but you know a trade. War is already started. You have pakistan india really ratcheting up tensions as well and the you know the entire syria and all the other parts so it's it's one of those mornings where there's a lot of uncertainties as to what the day neighboring right right <hes> and there is so isis is not not dead yet. I guess the one way to put it when we look at this incident in iraq. No there's reports out this morning that the marine may have been killed in friendly fire which of course is terrible <hes> anytime when that happens any loss of life it's terrible. I don't mean to minimize it would be the first it's the first death of a u._s. Soldier to hostile fire in iraq this year so that just kind of underscores how far from the fighting u._s. troops are by design. The iraqi military is growing in its professionalism and it's it's abilities to deal with isis and other internal threats as is the plan so in that sense. It's working when i first heard this. I was puzzled because u._s. Troops groups are not in their frontline as i said earlier so is it pentagon investigation going on and you know. I'm sure that they'll tell us this week but they find and nobody has identified. If i this <hes> this <hes> marine died right now he was. We had his name we had in this story. He's he was identified. He was killed on saturday protocol. Generally is twenty four hour are thirty six hours wait so the next of kin can be notified so they sent to release out sunday. His name was there. He's a highly decorated marine and and well regarding the recipient of many honors apparently well deserved father kids. They're very he'll sad. Story story that is for sure <hes> <hes> well <hes> now this second item you have on your list this morning. Give us your not poor. I think that's a <hes> remind me which the order because i <hes> the trump administration with lisa regulation that makes it more difficult for immigrants who rely on government assistance like medicaid subsidized housing and food stamps to obtain legal status monday's announcement it falls in line with the administration's attempts to curb legal immigration in favor wealthier and more educated immigrants so this is kind of a throwback in the nineteen eighteen twenties <hes> standards when the united states is so that essentially prove your worth and how you can contribute to the country as opposed to being a drain on its assets and resources. It's <hes> it's you know according to news reports about my analysis but this they say it's designed to further tighten the ability of of immigrants immigrants from latin america to come into the country across the u._s. Mexico border <hes> most of them do not have a meet any kind of means test whatever that would be it's unclear unclear what the standard would be under this new regulation that was promulgated as they say in the federal register and of course he's. The timing is interesting. There's another one i mentioned mentioned as well about weakening the endangered species act also in the federal register. See congress is not in town now so they not that they could would stop either these two if they don't even have the opportunity because they're not in time for september and and that point thirty days we'll have elapsed if these rules are not instantaneous. Some of them are and i haven't figured that out. They've take effect thirty days so that would be a middle september. Just after congress gets back. They won't have time to act another item. In the endangered species act which is credited with bringing back the bald eagle grizzly bears other really low much love species speech back well humpback <hes> the trump administration wants big changes in this act wasn't what's going on here trying to figure out exactly what which animals would be removed or when the stipulations on encroachment into territories where they breed <hes> it's it's exploitation and exploration of for resources and development oil oil minerals of farmland others that errors were off limits and certain conditions as you know. Environmental studies have to be done to make sure sure certain areas are not affecting habitats of endangered species. That's those will be weakened under this proposed regulation. It's it's a drawback. <hes> of of the standards that have been impact is mixing signing dangerous visi law. I think in nineteen seventy two the trump administration is not succeeded in getting legislation nations through congress that would include cutbacks like this so they're doing. It's through the rule method about sides. You might hear some helicopters coming right now. Uh-huh this last night on your list this morning is <hes> is another one of these spooky stories that may not may never be completely the exposed in terms of all the facts out there that is the nuclear or accented an and i guess a nuclear weapons facility in russia in this <hes> closed lose to city of saraf pronouncing correct way up. If you look at a map it would be in the far north west of russia in in the arctic circle relatively they close to finland <hes> not an abortive but close to finland is big as you some idea where it's it's been described the city as russia's version of los alamos because the nuclear clear development and secret loopier testing in in such a so what's happened. Is this from what i can figure out from what i've been told running out of reports. The russians have made advancements in developing a missile powered by nuclear energy. Not a nuclear earlier warhead. You know just to be clear but a nuclear powered missile much like we have nuclear powered submarines and aircraft carriers the advantages are it can go faster farther farther and better maneuverability has all these advantages of the big leap and missile technology. There was an explosion last thursday somewhere in the process of the developing or the fuel mode for this missile or in the missile itself when it was test launched that's very it's unclear to me and to and many others what happened when and how but it was a severe enough nuclear explosion that at least five scientists died relatively quickly from the blast and the radiation to others have died since russia tried to cover it up but scientists around the world where he would pick up his leap in radiation action from the area and so they knew something happened and finally russia somewhat admitted what happened. This is a little echoes of gerald. Isn't it yeah <hes>. That's the immediate you know comparison being made. It's unclear a if it's as bad as noble in a sense of what kind of degree of radiation has been omitted. <hes> clearly was i said significant enough to kill five engineers relatively soon russia's secrecy abounds and so it's gonna take a long time to sign it out but people in finland they neighboring nations have to be concerned about what what kind of radiation in the air and there's another part about this. It's troubling u._s. Is according to president trump but we're developing the same kind of weapon. One of the drawbacks to it is when a new missiles powered by nuclear energy is this would be nuclear waste is generated process and and what happens waste in the missile okay so when that missile strike something for example. There's the waist then get distributed where the impact occurs is. It distributed during flight. I don't know the answers to this. That's a big big issue. You know when you're talking about nuclear waste right flying all over the world yeah yeah that is <hes> who knew that i i didn't. I did not until just the last couple of days that i'm reading a little bit about this know that we're talking about. Nuclear nuclear powered missiles now that is kind of a scary technological yeah say yeah and and have you know this is. This is the kind of thing we i mean. It seems like nothing's really changed then in russian last thirty years or so because when you you think about back the journal will which i think was nineteen eighty six <hes> the the first response to it was basically minimizing cover up nothing to see here folks yeah see the same thing going on here isn't there oh absolutely i mean <hes> everything old is new again in in that sense that hasn't changed even during the gorbachev years you know the russians were a little bit more open about things but when it came to the military and secret stuff like that even when gorbachev was the president of the soviet union <hes> it wasn't as if it was the west the opening of the west issues alright well tomsk materia syria. Thank you so much for joining me this morning. It's always good talking with you and your perspective. We will love talking again soon. I want to switch gears back to conversation. We were having having in the last segment with monica callan from the grange hall cultural center here in waterbury. We talked a little bit about the history of the local grange hall here in waterbury that now is this cultural center and i it it prompted one call from <hes> someone who said we needed to look more deeply into the grange and <hes> and then we got another call during the break from jackie folsom of the vermont farm bureau who said she would like to address the questions about about the grange itself and <hes> louis. She's on the line with us right now. Good morning jackie hey dave. How are you doing today doing well. How are you. I'm good. Would you wanna tell us about the grange well i. I am not a member and i was really hoping for one of them to call in but i wanted to clarify the fact that it seemed that the woman who was talking about them thought that they he had kind of gone by the wayside and i do want to let you know that the grange does have a really strong legislative advocacy president presence at the state house and they have a a day where they go in and they take over room chen and they visit with the legislators and i believe the person that is following legislative issues for them as jenny nelson who who is pretty well known around the community. We vermont farm bureau a couple years ago. We got wind of something that <hes> the railroads were trying to do about throwing growing up <hes> <hes> loads that go railroads and driveways go over to private property and they wanted the owners of the private property to take over maintenance so the right of ways and the railroad tracks and i did get a hold of grains because i as you had in the previous conversation the grain was founded on issues with the railroads and we went in there and advocated <hes> together as a group and we got the railroads attention and we got veterans attention and we kind of backed off a little bit so i did wanna let folks know that they still are out there and they still go to the state house. They have a legislative handbook and policies that they develop and <hes> we do work with them on occasion. So you know down the line. Maybe it'd be something they do have a really rich history and it's kind of interesting to hear <hes> what they're up to and maybe you would want to do a show with somebody from the grange and somebody from farm bureau or just from the grange but i think people need to know that they are still active. <hes> their numbers are down. I don't and i really appreciate appreciate that fellow calling in to correct the woman about the big farms taking over. There are a lot of people on all sides of farms. It's still belong to these organizations such as farm bureau and grange but there are fewer of us. I mean it's just you know when people are having a hard time volunteering because their lives are so full but i did want i did want to say david grange is still out there and they're still active at the state house and i wish someone had called in because as i said i'm not a member but i have very gratefully worked with them at the state house on some issues issues will jackie. You've given me a great idea for a topic for future segment on the dave graham show here in w._d. F._m. and a._m. And i appreciate that and i also i do want to mention that even during the segment that when monica callen was on just from googling around i figured out that the national grange is still very very active. I mean they are out there right now. Talking about ah better development of rural broadband for instance and that's a very <hes> very current issue tells me an organization that's lobbying for that is <hes> is still extent and is going strong at least on that to that degree and so they they're they're clearly not not gone completely and didn't mean to leave that impression at all <hes>. I think i think the it's it's a good good question. No and i wanna get i wanna get some folks. Perhaps on the on the show sometime next couple of weeks it just talk about where they are and how the organizations doing in vermont in nationally right now it great suggestion. I appreciate the call well. Thank you very much for letting take time into the next segment. Dave i appreciate it. I hope it informative and interesting conversation coming up with <hes> rita egan of fema and read is gonna talk to us about <hes> flood insurance and <hes> will you tell us first off. Welcome to the program. Thanks for joining me and <hes> you tell us what you want to talk purpose about well. I'd like to remind people to take a look at their own economic wellbeing and consider the fact that flooding is occurring this year especially quite often and throughout the united states areas that have not flooded before flooding so flood insurance is one thing one special weight protect tech your economic well-being. You won't have to go into your retirement. You won't have to take out low interest loans. You don't have to wait for a federal declaration. You can get flood insurance because the city of would bear waterbury warmer. I know where i'm at. <hes> is participating in the national flood insurance program so if you live in the flood zone or you do not live in the flood zone you can get flood insurance and if few don't know how to do that you can go to flood smart dot gov where it says. Why should i buy flood insurance. You can put in your address and your zip code. They'll help you find an insurance agent selling that so you would have to have it in contents and structure but what again that way. You don't have to pay the money back. You don't have to wait for a federal declaration. You know it's not going to be cancelled. If you put in one or two claims you know well. It's just one way to again. Help you. Keep going building your economic future and so you know i'm particularly curious about this because i actually live in montpellier about ten miles southeast of waterbury and read a read eating and by the way you are you told tell me from from kansas city so i'm not gonna hold your maybe thin on <hes> thin knowledge of the local geography here against you but but <hes> anyway i live in my ear and i and our houses probably i'm gonna say one hundred yards <hes> from a stream and <hes> i'll fill up a gentle kill not a real steep cliff or anything <hes> and <hes> and i'm wondering dan i sometimes wonder i've never quite figured out am i in the flood zone whom i in a flood plain <hes> and and and or my close to one do i need could be thinking about this. <hes> what it comes down to is do you own the whole mountain and are you gonna sell any property off because if you have any construction above hugh or alongside of you that can change that drainage basin that could impact you also if you are that far up understand that if it rains at your place you could potentially be affected by of you know could be overland flooding if we get real heavy rains. If the rain comes heavy enough down that you know for unless you're sitting at the very top you could be impacted so if your property because most homeowners insurance will not cover overland flooding and the way it's set up now is if you you have flood insurance then you can put in a claim and move forward. You don't have to wait for anything by overland flooding this would be. I mean we are in a yeah. Just use myself as an example because it's the thing i'm knowledgeable about but we're sort of near the bottom of a big hill and <hes> that that goes up above our house uh for i mean you can go up the road above our house and keep driving up a mile or more and and <hes> and there are quite a number of houses and other buildings so one farther up the road <hes> and i i do sometimes wonder whether you somehow there could be i dunno new gully or stream formed warmed chaplain <hes> and the and the water suddenly come down from uphill across our is at overland flooding <hes> it'd be it and keep in mind twenty to thirty percent depending on the year twenty to thirty percent of our claims come from outside the special flood hazard area and that can be what you're talking about or say you have a series of storms that come in training and if you have one little change in where the way the way the water flows was it could drastically impacted your you know impact your property. It's really interesting. I a couple of years ago well. We were having this this problem where i i just blamed it on poor design but the lowest spot on our property i happen to be a happens to be a doorway into our finished basement. That's at a grade. Iii and our house is sort of built in into the of the hill so the other end of the house. The the ground is at <hes> george. No just just below the the <hes>. What's the word i'm looking for the sills. Just <hes> the you know the ground level just below the sills at at at at the lower end of the house. The ground level is even with the bottom of this doorway and <hes> so we we have had a history of getting some water coming down our driveway from both both the front and the back of the house <hes> and it seemed to be getting worse for a couple of years from the front of the house from the street and so i talked to the city about it and told told them what was going on they came by and they put this tiny little half inch lip of asphalt at the end of our driveway <hes> and and it was quick response by the city of my appealed kudos to the city's public works department. I think they were there. The next day after i call great and <hes> they <hes> they came by and they put this little lip at the end of our driveway and that that took care of ninety percent of the pro took care of pretty much all the problem for the front of the house we still have a little water comes down around the back of the house but <hes> <hes> that was never the majority of the problem to start with so <hes> you know i'm i'm pleased with with that change but <hes> it does tell me that you know this. This is a classic case of i guess what you describe as overland flooding just appearing from the street or from the backyard or whatever and when the grounds get saturated they can't absorb any more water than it's gonna start running off and i've gotta say some of the some of the rain stores. We've had this summer. <hes> have been just torrential chill. I mean the the the the sort of per- i don't know whether <hes> this is unusual or <hes> but if i think about the the volume of water hitting a square foot of a roof or something <hes> in the in the course of re period time. Let's say a minute or are <hes>. Are there measurements like that that people use that would be something you'd have to talk to a meteorologist talking but as a reminder as a quick reminder go back to irene yeah. That's been eight years ago. One of touch on two things one irene did seven hundred thirty three million dollars worth of damages twenty. Four hundred roads were damaged or destroyed. You had eight hundred structures damaged or destroyed. Six railroad lines were damaged so that's the amount of damage that one storm arm can occur and it's been since nineteen thirty eight since the northeast has had a direct hit from a major hurricane one hundred and five hundred year floods. What does that mean to you well. I assume that that they are going to be the kind of flood we get eater every hundred years on average for every five hundred years around but not anymore now every year. It's the odds one in one hundred or one in five hundred okay. That's that's an interesting. I want to <hes>. I wanna put another coat of paint on that but we we've got to. We've got to go to about on the hour break right now for some c._b._s. News a couple of words from sponsors and really egan is my guest. We'll be chatting more about <hes> by flooding risks <hes> just after that <hes> here on the day graham show w._d. E._v. a._m. and f._m. And a._m. Probably to put it. Dana is giving them here are our engineers newell said a._m. and f._m. Oh my word that's backwards. It's f._m. And a._m. Folks not sure why why but i'll learn we'll be back in a couple of minutes here day. Bram show stay with us. I wish i had a dollar for every compliment. I get about our selection upstairs at the warren store. The season's collection boasts country casual clothing for men and women dresses for summer weddings and events they be clothing from sue chano and doodle pants and fair trade jewelry from around the world. I'm excited about a new line of pottery from londonderry vermont and also illuminated paper stars for outdoor fun. It's a great day trip to warn village comfort lunch on the deck and upstairs for some unique retail therapy fund funky and friendly friendly and almost world-famous newsradio w._d. F._m. and a._m. Now back to the day bram show. We are back on the day graham. I am show on w._b._z. f._m. And a._m. And my guest is really egan of the federal emergency management agency and she's here talking with us about out of the risk of flooding <hes>. This is a particularly. I thought timely topic for the middle part of august here in vermont because this is the time of year when when we are getting into peak hurricane season correct co we don't have a <hes> we don't really have a <hes> <hes> history of like florida or louisiana the anna do of her direct hits from hurricanes but <hes> they are still <hes> they they can still pack a punch even when they come up the coast and they are no longer hurricane strength <hes> remember tropical storm irene in one thousand eleven and rita egan <hes>. Thank you so much for continuing to chat with us about this. <hes> this morning and we were talking a little bit about just how to examine your own risk if you think about your own house or apartment or wherever you're located. Maybe you want to be thinking about your workplace. Your if your place of business <hes> what what kind of preparations do you have. If you were an downtown area many of our towns here you're in vermont were built right along riverbanks and i sound highs. Thank you know yet. I leaving my appeal year and i sometimes think if they'd been smart they would've put the park down by the rivers and put the a city up on the hill where hubbard park but <hes> that <hes> i guess people didn't have that kind of thinking back then <hes> and this becomes more important i mean we've we've heard from a wide variety of people i remember governor. Someone who was governor of course when tropical storm irene vermont he said we're going to be seeing more stuff like this in the coming decades. What is that is that this fema have that <hes> prediction as well regan well. We're we allow that to go to noah. Which is that national national atmospheric national organization for atmospheric administration. They're the ones who determine that <hes> as you saw recently they up the number of possible named hurricanes for or this year but going back to the flood insurance issue <hes> one of the reasons it is timely is not only are we close to peak hurricanes. He's in within six weeks but there is a thirty day waiting period for flood insurance so if you purchase that today it's not going into effect for thirty days so you don't want to wait until the the last minute till you see one of those storms coming up. You know the coastline to see oh. You think it's going to peter out before it hits us or will it hit us. You know hard core so oh it's another avenue but businesses you mentioned businesses businesses can purchase flood insurance for the structure and their contents. It's <hes> renters can find out from their landlords if the property is in a flood zone and if they have flood insurance but they can get it for their contents so they could go ahead hadn't do that and then of course homeowners can get it for contents and structure so no none of us really knows what's going to happen tomorrow. You know as far as the weather. Everybody can predict predict what mother nature has her own mindset and she doesn't let us know about all. I think i'm gonna throw some nice tornadoes over here and heavy rains down here right now. We have an idea but she can change your mind so yeah that that that is true. I mean people are essentially playing the odds <hes>. It sounds like you're limited. If you have this thirty day waiting period i and you suddenly see the prediction is for nasty hurricane to be hitting being the north american mainland in the next week or so <hes> it's too late too late then if you're thinking about getting a flood insurance to guard against flooding from matt storm but let's go back to irene for a minute say you live closer to where you got impacted directly from the remnants of hurricane irene and and you got a grant from fema understand that you had flood insurance purchased for you. That would have been good for three years. You would have received a letter also saying that after that time period that gives you a breathing space to get back on your feet and recoup some money then it's up to you and you were expected to maintain that flood insurance. If you did not that means you could and that's only could be found ineligible for any future federal assistance because we've given and you assistance you know we've we purchased the flood insurance for you for three years and we want you to learn from that. That's the whole purpose of you know. All of all all of the grant fema basically represents your neighbors from across the country who recognize when an event happens in a community that it goes beyond the capabilities of the local community in the state. That's when the governor will request an ask us to come in but we can only do so much so that's why not only one you always wanna remain in contact with your emergency managers to report damages but also you want to start preparing yourself and become more resilient flood. Insurance difference is one avenue but we talked earlier during the break about if something would happen whether it be flooding or anything always have a point contact preferably outside of the state where you can email or excuse me where you can text and let people know you're okay and we're the rest of the family is yes because that way you're not taking up any additional space. You know bites of information go through his text much better than they do on phones and those phone phone lines need to be remaining open to the first responders okay so <hes> i digress there. I'm sorry well the north and this is important really because i want to go to that's really the day of the flood you're talking about. You're texting now whether it's be aflutter fire anything yeah yeah but he but he even even before this event hits. I mean let let's say i'm gonna roll the clock back. It was a sunday. I remember because i is working as a reporter that day <hes> and <hes> <hes> when tropical storm irene hit vermont on august twenty eighth two thousand and eleven and and i'm sitting in my office in montpellier and one of the questions i had which i think eventually answered in the affirmative affirmative. My my car is parked outside. The office at our office at the time was run on the banks of the ski river along stonecutters way so i <hes> i was sitting there and debating. Should i move my car. You know because if the water comes up over over the over the bank of the river of i'm probably even want to run from the office myself and i going to want you know one of my car. <hes> not being inundated when i exit the exit the door of the building <hes> so i actually did move my car up to the parallel street that slightly higher elevation as speak on berry street in my peeler and is cut through there and i figured if i needed to it just run for run up the hill essentially <hes> through somebody's backyard in and over to bury st and get my car there <hes> and so you've the but i mean those kinds of planning issues there <hes> what what should be what should people be thinking in general about as they eh as they here. There's a risk of flooding and they know that their neighborhood might be prone while he should be always listening to your radio station especially the local and weather alerts which we also have fema the fema app you can download in it allow. You five alerts for different areas if you travel. Maybe you work in one city and you know you live in another. You can put in different alerts or different zip codes but once you get those kind of what you did was smart move the car. The bad news is it's probably preferable when you had that short notice rather than considering jumping through yards you might have seen what the continuity plan for the organization organization was to see if you know do you have another place to work. That's at higher elevation. You should have a proactive approach to events that are ongoing and stay alert to everything people do tend to disassociate a threat of water or flood waters with a threat threat to their existence. We bathe in it. We swim in it. <hes> we drink it. <hes> one can be that bad right right and you think i can get through that sony only a foot of water one. You don't know if that you know whether it be aside walker. The road is still there. You don't know what the current is. You don't know what's in the water. You know all of those things come into play so i would encourage people always listen to your emergency manager. You know your area better than anyone else your e._m.'s your emergency managers are even more in tune with what's going on. Listen to them if they start to say you know evacuate. Don't wait don't think you can tough it out because you'd be putting not only yourself in harm's way but you'd be putting first responders in harm's way to get me out of there exactly so look at it not only from from your perspective what you think you can handle but in case something would happen. Would they be able to help you know. Put themselves in harm's way to help you. <hes> what do i wanna be thinking about. I mean let's say the water is rising and i am. I'm i'm concluding that <hes> you know in another half an hour or so. Oh i'm going to have a foot of water in my basement. Turn off my power. What's the. I mean what what's basement. Don't go to the basement right okay. That's the first pursue because one you know. You don't know if something if the powers already been shut off you don't want to put yourself in harm's way you know so stay and you don't know what can unless you know the condition of your basement. You can start getting water quickly. You know coming over the puddings and it could fill up very fast fast. You know so. I don't know here but in the midwest where i live you know flooded basements. When you go to get the water out common rule of thumb. Is you take it down one foot and you let it sit for twenty four to forty eight hours if the water comes up that water is equalizing the pressure on the basement walls okay well you suck it out too fast then the walls collapse no then you have a whole other issue but i would not go to the basement myself. I self but that's me yeah yeah. I saw i saw reference to thinking about <hes> valuables papers. Your key documents were if you have a file. Cabinet is on the floor. That is proud of flooding yeah. It's always a good idea to have a go kit. You can put important documents and a large court-size ziplock bag having i'm ready to pull out like in one of the kitchen cabinets could be due to a fire could be due to a flood that if you have to leave your home quickly it's already. They're ready for you so just make a copy of important documents whether it be birth certificates <hes> insurance policies <hes> things of that nature wills. You know all of that stuff stuff. Just have it ready to go just in case you know and then you don't have to worry about getting you know calling your insurance agent getting copier policy. You've got it already yeah yeah these are these are things that we want <hes> to think about when the weather's nice i know nobody it's after the fact fact it's like gosh i could have done this. I coulda had this and nobody nobody thinks about the <hes> the every every real-life has some darker days and <hes> and you know <hes> i i'll tell you it just sort of a somewhat parallel situation i i <hes> would would get reminders every now and then you know <hes> from my doctor for instance health checkup phil or fill out an advance advanced directive. Would you wanna have for end of life care and that sort of thing and <hes> you know i. I finally did that. <hes> sick this past spring. I spent a couple in the hospital and you know i guess i'm kind of bored the hospital nothing to do as well finally fill out my advanced directive you know <hes> but but that is probably not time time to worry about this kind of planning stuff <hes> when when it's already hitting the fan but the other side is you know use this moment coming to you know if you think that there is no way that you could be impacted by a flood pull out your insurance. Policy looked to see what it does covered. See a few even have alternative living expenses on your homeowner's insurance so that if your house is ok but the roads are impassable are do you have enough cash on you or credit cards. You know to go to a hotel and that brings up another point to keep in mind. I know this will sound like i'm a prep for and that's not the case i went to an ice storm once and there was no electrical electrical activity at all anyone throughout this valley so you couldn't get gas because most gas stations there goes far enough inland. They did not have generators. You couldn't have any transactions because no a._t._m.'s no cash registers people. Don't do things manually there. You know everywhere so so have a certain amount of cash on hand just in case something extreme like that would happen yeah. There's a heck of a lot to think about <hes> and it's probably <hes> not a bad exercise to sit yourself down at some point and say what would i do if <hes> if all these he's monitoring conveniences went away for a few days or a few weeks or good snowstorms up here. You know getting the power grid unless you're power grid's been updated. Things could happen things just in an isolated community but if the every road is iced up like in that case you know you're not going to go anywhere because you'll slide off off. Yeah we you're. You're you've touched on a few different. Areas people might wanna think about in advance of of flooding. I just wanna make sure we've covered. All our bases is on the day of because that is something that people really want to be careful and make the right call and oftentimes is the <hes> when when you're in a disaster situation or one is <hes> blooming and and expected to be hitting you in the next hour or two <hes> the adrenaline adrenaline pumping. I'm people i think get forgetful sometimes or a little panic through that kind of thing and <hes> should they keep around any kind of a notebook or something the stuff that they <hes> you know as reminders to be thinking about. I think that's a great idea you know and accumulating and like i say have a go kit ready yeah and what should be in the notebook. What are the sort of top items that you would recommend well. It's what we've already discussed that point of contact outside of the immediate area area texts them know the plan like from if you're if you have children know if the schools want you to everybody rushed to the school at the same time you know what what their policy is on picking the kids up <hes> knowing which roads are open for evacuation. Don't count on your g._p._s. You know listen to what the emergency managers are telling you again. You know your area better than anyone else. The emergency managers know the best escape routes where you're going to be safest so listen to what what they're saying. If you have alerts on your phone always turn the volume up you know things of that nature and have that go kit. The go kit is good. Not only whether it be a fire or you have to get to the hospital quickly save. You got a phone call. Somebody was injured in an accident. It will have it will have all the the important information you would need copies of your life insurance. You're insurance everything like that. Including of course flood insurance you wanna have your policy policy whoever your insurance agent was have his phone number or her phone number there you know <hes> birth certificates things all the important documents you would need and if you really do believe you will never be impacted by anything that life throws everybody else. Still have this and pull out your insurance policies get to know no what it covers and what it doesn't cover like we mentioned the alternative living expenses. Your house may not be impacted but you can't get to it. Would you be able to get reimbursed for hotels that you might have to stay at for several days. You know those bills can add up to in a big way and sometimes they there are expenses that appeared the didn't even think of that. I mean that would be a case where your houses find <hes>. It's just that the road leading to wash out. I won't be fixed for a few days and all all of a sudden you know <hes> <hes> hotel or motel bill can really add up. We're very few days. <hes> so it is a <hes> it is something that is <hes> <hes> <hes> well worth a and is there a sort of a website with these kinds of tips there <hes> somebody can go on a nice day and say okay. I'm gonna sit down. I'm going to actually think about emergency emergency planning for a couple. You know a couple of minutes or a couple of hours or whatever i was ready. Dot gov is the one for planning and for flood insurance is his flood smart dot gov blood smart is one word and it'll give you examples what we looked up on your ipad showed that one inch of water in your house can cost on a national average twenty six thousand dollars to replay to repair your house. We have a caller on the line. It's monty and morrisville good morning monte yeah just calling in because i responded to an ice storm back in ninety seven ninety eight up in franklin county area <hes> and <hes> there was a lot of at that time was a lot of houses or a lot of firms and stuff without power and when i was listening to your guest talk it reminded me of those times and one of the problems we had back then was getting <hes> we had plenty of manpower to try to do things <hes> we didn't have the resources in order to the foot infrastructure together quickly and <hes> one of the things that i was involved with was the electrical part of it and <hes> what happened was we had electrons and stuff that were coming up volunteer but there was no material for them to <hes> repair some of the home so that people could get their power back on and <hes> i made a phone call to fema and it was really it was really a struggle to try to get an answer from bima as to what we could do because because <hes> we were looking for you know anything to set up an account for <hes> some sort of electrical supplies to get you know firms back up and running and stuff like that <hes> the national guard was very good about coming in putting in generators in certain places but <hes> the general homeowner and stuff that was <hes> <hes> struggling here in december during an ice storm to <hes> get the power back on us pretty tough and i was just wondering if your guests could suggest anything about <hes> what could be done about getting immediate <hes> funding to community that devastated. Thank you weigh in real quick. The way eight the process works is does not come in and take over we come in at the request of the governor and when i mentioned about staying in touch with your local emergency managers manager that be everything begins and ends locally so when you start giving the local emergency manager all the information of damages that have occurred. He started here. She starts collating that information and sends it up to the county in most states then on up to the state. If it goes beyond the capability of the state that's when the governor can make a request for fema week or for federal declaration again we cannot come in unless there is a federal declaration by i law we are not permitted to step around that process so we have to have a federal declaration of one kind or another before we we can step in and offer even advice but we are always in close contact literally with the state so it's the process that we have to work within well and you makes me wonder whether even on the emergency planning level at the local level you know. Should there be a warehouse somewhere with. I don't know a whole whole bunch of roles of romantics electrical wire. That's what's needed as long as it doesn't. Go out of date or you know you know brittle and then it wouldn't be worthwhile so right now whether or not there is sufficient funding available so that is a <hes>. There are a lot of considerations here and again. I i think the the the time to be thinking about them. <hes> last i checked it was a nice day outside today so here we are on a nice day in waterbury vermont talking about the not nice days which will come they <hes> they wanted to. There is an organization called for mont resilient then was put together by the state government. They were very pro active and the state itself has a great mitigation plan that they are working always trying to figure out ways ways to prevent us like what the caller you know talked about washing and they are planning towards these kind of events but that's what a mitigation plan does is you try to reduce damages for the next event so you can respond quicker and better bet is about all the time. We have this morning on the dave ramsey show here on w._d. F._m. and a._m. Mowana thank my guest rita egan for raising these issues with us. Thanks so much for stopping by and we will be back tomorrow with another edition of our program. 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