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This podcast is brought to you by book dotcom in partnership with the cantata row tourism board, book dot com. The number one site for all inclusive beach vacations. And good evening. We begin with breaking news. A federal judge late today. Ruling that Paul Manafort, President Trump's former campaign chairman lied to the FBI lied to a grand jury light Robert Muller's. Investigators lied intentionally on multiple occasions. Lied about contact with Russians and he's supposed to be a cooperating witness now as you might imagine as we so often find ourselves saying, this is a big development and C N N's. Evan Perez joins us now with the latest is walk us through. What was not what was in? What was not in this ruling? Well Anderson prosecutors from the special counsel's office had initially accused Paul Manafort of lying on five different occasions five different topics during the time that he was supposed to be cooperating. If you remember he pleaded guilty, and he had agreed to cooperate as part of this investigation. So he met with prosecutors or many many hours of what they call proffer sessions. And during that time he was lying. According to the prosecutors, according to the judge in her ruling today that she said that there was enough evidence to show that he lied in. Least three of those occasions. One of them had to do with a payment that he that he had received to help pay for some of his legal bills and two of them had to do. With Constantine Kalinic is the name we've heard a lot obviously over the course of this investigation. Somebody who is going to figure I think very importantly in this investigation. There's also been a lot of reporting Leyland dinner meeting in New York with Manafort and Kalim neck. What's the significance of what may have happened at the meeting, and how does it relate to this? Right. Exactly. And this is actually one of the key lies according to to prosecutors, and according to the judge now the judge says that he he he was lying about some of his interactions with constant Kalinic. And the question was why exactly we still don't know the answer to that question. Prosecutors during a closed door hearing said that something occurred during that meeting that that really is important goes to the heart of this investigation. And one of those meetings was in August of two thousand sixteen at Havana Club cigar in in New York, and according to prosecutors. This is where there was an exchange of information. Perhaps this is where Manafort provided this polling data this internal Trump polling data that they say figures largely in this investigation. Now, it's important to note that manafort's attorneys say he didn't actually lie that he misremembered certain facts. They also say they also hinted in in the court hearing that Kalinic is not exactly what the prosecutors are making him out to be that, you know, obviously, prosecutors say that he was essentially a spy for the Russians manafort's attorneys suggests that he was meeting with with depth Labatt's from the US embassy in Kiev. So that perhaps he might have been a double agent. So I get there's more information that we are yet to see perhaps on February twenty-second when the two sides are going to be filing a sentencing memo's Anderson put that on your calendar for every twenty second is going to be an important date because we're going to hear a lot more about the importance of Constantine Kalinic. And why he is so important to this investigation. Impressed. Appreciate it. Joining us, Connecticut democratic Senator Richard Blumenthal. He's on the judiciary committee and cosponsor bipartisan legislation to require Robert Muller to provide his report in full to congress and the public Senator Blumenthal. The the fact that Manafort would turn around and intentionally lie to the special counsel. According to this judge after he made a deal to cooperate with them. Does that make any sense to you? What does that tell you? Well, what it tells me is that the lies were about connections between the Trump campaign and the Russians or between Manafort and Kalinic and the Russians which were not involved in the initial charges. No, not was charged initially with money laundering tax evasion. False statements now there is apparently proof of the connections between him and colonic and the so-called Ukraine peace plan, which was attractive to the Russians and possibly offered to the Trump campaign. There are other connections between the Trump campaign and Manafort and possibly Trump himself. And the question is why do you I about it? Was it just that he was a congenital liar or because he was engaged in a cover up that potentially was encouraged by others involve whether it was Roger stone or others who are Trump associates? And I mean, the I still don't understand if there was nothing untoward about the contacts between Russia and all of these people around the president why does wires so many of them lying about their interactions with Russia. Everything's on the up and up. Why not just tell the truth? Well, that is sort of the question of the moment, and after every one of these meetings or contacts, it was deception about them take, for example, that Trump Tara meeting involving Manafort and Kushner, and the others involved in the Trump campaign Trump junior the meeting was then followed by a deceptive comment framed by the president himself. The Havana's cigar meeting was then followed by deceptive common all of these contacts apparently instigated misleading or untruthful comments giving rise to the clear impression. And they lied because they thought maybe they were breaking the law. That's why people lie about things sooner Blumenthal. I want to come back to you and just a little bit in their next segment because there's an important piece of business in front of your committee regarding the molar investigation, and whether the report will see the light of day, if you could just stand by for that I want to quickly go to our chief legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin, former federal prosecutors, Shan Wu and former Trump White House lawyer Jim Schultz, it's not a full win. Jeff for the prosecutor's office that the the judge said there were two points, which they did not prove. Yeah. But I mean, let's, you know, we can talk about the political implications. But I saw Paul Manafort in court the other day, this is a man who looks like he's dying. He is walking with a cane. He looks disoriented. He has declined so precipitously in in prison that when you realize he has now lost his cooperation agreement and the chance for a lower sentence and. He's facing an entirely separate prison sentence in the Virginia case a seven year old man is looking like he may die in prison. And it is just a profound thing to think about show video. But that that's probably older. No, this is this is how we remember him as as you know, an, and you know, this is how he became a public figure during the the this investigation. He is almost unrecognizable really day from from this video almost unrecognizable. You know, he's got gout. He's walking with a cane. Apparently, he's using a wheelchair. A lot of the time prison is rough for anybody. And you know, yes, he did wrong and he did wrong over and over again. But I mean, this man is really really in danger of losing his life Hsien. I mean since the special counsel is no longer bound by its obligations under the plea agreement. What could that mean for manafort's sentencing? His sentencing could get worse in particular. The question of the acceptance of responsibility now is a. For grabs. Now, the judge might still give them credit for that. Because he's still has pled guilty. But that's what the concern is the false statements, which are actually done under a higher standard than the good faith standard for the plea agreement. That's where it's going to hurt him. And it's reminder as Jeff's pointing out the way, he's suffering now, apparently physically it's reminder of just how much power Oko operator gives the prosecution they need only prove the initial breach by good faith. It's really and their sole discretion. And so we wonder what would cause a man his age and declining health to take that kind of risk to put himself at risk when they have so much power. Why does he have to do that? What is it? He wants to hide. And that's really the intriguing part in the question is is it the sanctions discussion that possibly went on. I mean, what could be worth it to him to take this kind of risk Jim to that point. I it's the same question essentially in balloon with a why why would he lie, and why would all these people lie after? Having these kind of meetings manafort's case. I mean, we don't know the answer to that. But metaphors case it's been alleged that he had ties the Russians that he's had worked with Russian operatives in the past. And that he may have owed f- some of those folks money, and that he may have just been trying to save his own skin at the end of the day. And why he'd lied why he engaged in the conduct that they allege the engaged turning over polling data in my my sense is it has little do with politics and a lot to do with him saving his own skin. That's that is a possibility. I mean, that's you know, this incredibly cinematic meeting with Kalinic in this semi seedy cigar bar, which is on the top of six six six Fifth Avenue owned at the time by Jared Kushner Rudy Giuliani is a regular there. I mean, I it's like this crazy New York place, and this is the place they decide they decide to meet. And the question is is Manafort meeting with Kalinic to regenerate. His own personal business in the Ukraine where he had made so much money. That's where the fifteen thousand dollar ostrich jacket came from or is he meeting with Kalinic to try to get the Russians to help Donald Trump win the election. And that is obviously the most, you know, legally significant, but it may simply be manafort's greed. Senator Blumenthal, d do you buy that that it could just be greeted it could be greed? It could be just the habit of self-enrichment. But it could also be that at the end of the day Manafort want a partner, and there is obviously a reluctance to talk about it. But behind many of these lies on the part of whether it's Roger stone or others. Ultimately, the motive may be to win favor with Trump as part of a cover up and get a pardon. Now if you were to pick anyone to try to a cover up behind or lie to. The last person in the world would be Bob Muller. Chen. What do you make about that that this? You know, the possibility of a pardon is what is in the back of manafort's mind. I think that's always been in the back of his mind. But I find what's really interesting here is the question of the special counsels interest in the sanctions that seems to become clearer recently. And those discussions could have been about that. There's also one other point in the judge's order, which is that he lied about an unnamed other Justice department criminal investigation. So those two things to me point in the direction that he may have been lying about something that goes to the heart of what they're looking at now, which is the discussion of sanctions, and that might be worth lying about to them. I think if he was trying to protect something someone that's worth protecting keeping that information out. And that would help them get a part. And if it's known that he was trying to protect that going the pardon route as a hill Mary pass at any time and particularly with. His president even though he bypasses the normal process. You just don't know what he's going to do. So that's not much of a strategy. But it's certainly something that's always been working in the background for him. Since in Bloomfield on that, it just one last thought Anderson on this topic one of the lie that apparently he told to the special counsel related to in fact, his giving polling data from the Trump campaign to Kalinic and thereby very likely to the Russia's now that poem Gada was the lifeblood of potential social media outreach and the kind of meddling that the Russians did. So that coordination potentially is very important. Jim shaking your head earlier. I think that's that's right. Except for why did he do it? I think it's we come back to to have something to do with trying to help the campaign or was it that he was trying to repay a debt that he owed. And and I think that's. What we're all waiting to see with Muller's report essentially giving off some polling data as a way of buying favoring favor. Right. And I think that's that's you know, was he acting in the scope of his duties as campaign chairman or was he acting in the scope of of trying to protect Paul Manafort. I mean, Jim is raising a legitimate question. But think about how far this investigation has come here. You have the campaign chairman, not some flunky. We're not talking about the coffee boy giving a someone who is close to Russian intelligence information. That is the gold the most expensively produced product of the Trump campaign private polling. Which they can use to as social media. And I mean that is closing the circle potentially between the Trump campaign and Russian interests, which is collusion. Not about polling data for a second for those of us been bothering campaigns. Pulling data gets released to reporters all the time gets report released altern grant, not writing for the Russians. No question about that. But let's not talk about pulling data that it's something so intrinsic to a campaign that it never makes its way into public domain, low largely if it's good for the candidate it makes its way into the public domain arch Schultz Wu. Jeff Toobin, thanks very much more breaking they're going to stick around. We have more breaking news ahead. The man on track to be the next attorney general William bar is already having discussions on how to handle the Muller's of final report, including if and how it's released we'll talk to center Blumenthal, also about that later the deal. President Trump now faces to avoid another government shutdown versus what he could have gotten before the shutdown. We'll keep them honest. A book dotcom vacation includes a beautiful all inclusive beach resort with all meals, all drinks, including alcohol activities taxes. Tips all included are most popular destination for all inclusive resorts is Mexico's Caribbean coast including Cancun and Rivera the people food history. And of course, the beaches make this a great reason to go, and here's one more right now. Save up to seventy percent off all inclusive. Mexico vacations on book dotcom. Imagine yourself relaxing all day on the beach shore by the pool with unlimited food and drinks all included sound good. Head over to book dot com slash podcast to save up to seventy percent off your next all inclusive vacation that's book dot com slash podcast. There's more breaking news tonight. We've got exclusive new information on William bar, the president's pick for Torney general who's expected to be confirmed for the top job this week and start overseeing the Russia probe. Now, we've learned the bar is consulting with top Justice department officials on outlines on plans on how to handle the final report that is Cording to people familiar with the discussions now. The most pressing question bar will face is how much information should be included in a report to congress and the public as we mentioned before the brakes and Richard Blumenthal's cosponsored legislation to ensure that the Miller report be available to both congress and the public one thanks in our Bloomberg all sticking with us to discuss these new developments. So nothing short Abbar, releasing the full report to congress, and the public is acceptable to you is that right? That is absolutely right. Nor should it be acceptable to the American people. In fact, a recent poll a couple polls show that more than eighty percent of the American people think the bar the Muller reports should be released in full. By bar. And in fact, seventy nine percent of Republicans. So there should be complete full disclosure public right to know of the entire findings and evidence not just the conclusion, but all of the evidence and findings from the Muller report. And the American people deserve to say because they paid for it. But, but isn't the counter argument that you know? If unless there's an indictment, usually you don't hear from a Thorndike's detailing every stone that's been overturned. It's either. Yes, we're there's going to be something charge or no, there's not you're absolutely right. And I was United States attorney the chief federal prosecutor in Connecticut. I never did a report I never commented in substance on people's background or character. And the only comments we may generally were in cases of criminal charges. So the normal rule is either you indict or you shut up, but this is different. Because what we have here is a special counsel who is appointed only in the very rare and significant instances of abuse of trust public trust. And so the public really has a right to know, and we all can speculate and comment and predict. But what really counts is the findings and evidence, and they bear directly on that betrayal. Public. Cross. There's distinct possibility Anderson that there will be no indictment here because William bar has concluded a sitting president cannot be indicted. So if there's no indictment and no findings that evidence what we have in effect is a cover up, which the American people should not accept the fact that the board has not been confirmed as attorney general and has already consulting with top Justice officials is that standard operating procedure for nominee. Never stop never standard operating procedure for a nominee to talk about a pending investigation. So I'm a bit surprised that he is talking about the outlines and plans as the report suggested there's a lot about the special counsel investigation that has been treated as special. I'm just hoping that he backs this legislation and supports the concept of full transparency. This legislation is bipartisan and Senator Grassley, and I have long been advocates open and full transparency and disclosure. And I'm hopeful that we will have the backing of more of our colleagues already. I think there's growing acceptance Bloomfield, again appreciate your time. Thank you. Thank you. Join me against chief legal analyst, Jeffrey Toobin Shehu and Jim Schultz. I mean, Jeff as of now. The Justice Bartman what they're not required to. Show anything. There's tremendous discretion the registry, the regulation does not give the attorney general a lot of guidance one way or another. But, but I think there's a point that Senator Blumenthal made that I think deserves to be emphasized in unusual circumstance. It is put up or shut up indict or say nothing at all. Here. You have a situation where the president can't be indicted under Justice department policy. So that's that's not a risk. Also, you have the Watergate precedent where leeann jeweler ski who was the Watergate special prosecutor turned over a famous bulging briefcase of evidence to congress of relevant evidence for possible impeachment. I mean, this is the public does have an interest here independent of the criminal Justice system. And it really is inconceivable to me that the the public, and certainly the congress wouldn't be allowed to see what Muller had spent all this time. She should be made public. I think Barnish test. Said that as much as possible should be made public. And certainly he made a comment about d'eclat declamation memos. In fact, where people aren't indicted, where's declaration memo that that evidence doesn't make its way into play declaration. What when when a prosecutor declines to prosecute someone, and there's an internal evidence associated with that that evidence doesn't become public. And I I think it's a little far stretch to say just because the public paid for this work that it should be made public. Certainly there could be other confidential and intelligence information in that report it shouldn't. There would be reductions it should be redacted. But certainly, I think bar has has his testimony lended towards transparency on this issue. No question. Shan, bar did decide to keep their secret from not only congress, but also the public. I it would surely face legal challenges, wouldn't it? It would. And I on questionably think he's going to seek to exercise his ability awfully to censor. That report. I mean, we used to have all this talk about is more. We're going to get fired. That's the actions of the school yard bully bars. Far more sophisticated than that former legal counsel at the Justice department for Dag former AG he doesn't need to do that. He can control the message. And that's what he's going to do. He is going to protect the president. If there's anything they could give their by controlling the message. And absolutely I agree. It should be transparent. The more that's disclose. The better to the senators point of leading the American public. See what he's found letting them make their decisions. I would remind us all thinking about this that there's a role for congress, and there's a role for prosecutors, and he is going to focus on individual wrongdoings. He is going to follow Justice department guidelines as much as they can. He Muller will be loath to say anything bad about people that aren't dieted bar can use that as. A shield to censor the report, but congress has different duty. But congress congress can only do its job if it has the evidence that Muller collected. I mean that that's the thing. And that's why it's so important that that that congress congress get will we'll. A number of senators have said, well, look if if this is held back we will subpoena molar. That's right. And and I I don't know how that would play out legally, I think Ma bar has a lot of discretion here and the courts generally deferred to the attorney general when it comes to what's an investigatory matter. What's classified information? What's grand jury material all of that could give bar permission to withhold a lot of this testimony. So I think it's really gonna fall a lot on him. I don't think a court is really going to order him to release stuff that he doesn't wanna release, you know, he's got his own reputation to worry about he he is someone unlike Whitaker who was utterly unqualified to be attorney general, and it's just a political stooge in their bar is a distinguished public servant, and I doubt he wants his legacy to be the guy who kept this under wraps, but we'll see I don't know. Jeff Toobin Shehu Jim Schultz, and that's very much. Appreciate it. Coming up next. Why the man who once said the deals were his art form is now scrambling to explain his latest effort, which is shaping up to be anything. But a masterpiece were keeping them honest. Tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses. 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And it's not hard to see why the compromise contains less money for border construction than the five point seven billion dollars that he originally wanted and less money than he might have gotten back in December before he shut down the government in short, whatever you might think about the border the wall, the fencing shutdown or the president himself fact is he seems to fail to do the one thing that he says he does better than anyone else. He failed as a dealmaker in this case. That's not us saying, here's what Republican congressman Chris Stewart till CNN's, Jim shoot. Oh today. He said, and I'm quoting the deal. We ended up with now is worse than we had before the shutdown point. In fact, the president's record in the private sector is littered with some ill-fated faded deals, but when we asked from biographer Michael dantonio today, how this latest episode compares. He said, and I'm quoting the president may have just found a new. Way to lose to make explain why he was scrambling today to put the best possible face on it. I by pointing to another bigger better number than the one. We've all been focused on. And we have a lot of options a lot of things happening very positive things. You know, the numbers are almost twenty three billion dollars, which you don't report too often. It's about an eight percent increase over last year. So if you look at the total funding it's over it's almost up to twenty three billion dollars. It's about eight percent higher than twenty three billion is not just for wall covers all aspects of border security, like personnel technology infrastructure, maintenance, repairs ports of entry and yes barrier construction. Wherever as we showed you at the top of that twenty three point at twenty three billion. There's just one point three seven five billion funding for barriers on the southern border covering some fifty five miles of new construction, which is less than the one point six billion dollars for sixty five miles of fencing that the president turned down in December as far less, of course than the five point seven Bill billion. He was demanding for more than two hundred miles of barrier. President isn't talking about that number anymore. Instead, he's. Repeating what has become a familiar refrain from him to claim that the wall is already going up, though, if you listen carefully, he mixes up his tenses so much. It's hard to tell exactly what he's trying to say. The border area is happening. It's going to happen at a really rapid pace. We're giving out contracts right now. And we're going to have a great wall. It's going to be a great powerful wall. The wall is very very on its way it's happening as we speak. We're building as we speak in the most desperately needed areas. And it's a big wall. It's a strong wall. It's a wall. The people aren't going through very easy. Going to have to be an extremely good shape to get over this one. They would be able to climb Mount Everest a lot easier. I think well keep it about us. It's not happening yet. It's not being built as we speak. At least not as the president would have you believe, and it's nothing like the kind of all the president campaigned on or like the prototypes that were shown off a year and a half ago. The president said to be angry. He said to be upset is complained publicly about where things have ended up. But the reality is he could have had a better deal than this one. Whatever the lessons, he preached in the art of the deal, they did not work out for him this time, this may not be the legacy that he wanted. But it's hard to deny the legacy that he's earned in this case. Joining us now is democratic congressman came Jefferies, a member of the house budget committee, congressman when the president says that he has quote options. Most people don't understand to get more money for the border wall. How do you interpret that would options? Don't most people understand. Well, it's not clear what does seem to be. The case is that this is more bluster and misdirection from the president. Of the United States of America because he apparently is concerned that despite his promise that we were going to get sick of the winning. All he does is lose lose lose. No matter. What if you take a look Anderson at the subject Dery of this whole issue around his medieval, vanity inspired border wall? I he indicated that he was going to build a wall from sea to shining sea and Mexico was going to pay for it. They refused. Second over the last two years. Republicans controlled the house the Senate and the presidency, and he still couldn't get anything done. In fact, he walked away from a twenty five billion dollar border wall deal in exchange for Dhaka, then he shuts down the government for thirty five days in a reckless fashion. And then says uncle at the end, and engages in an unconditional surrender when he could have gotten at least one point six billion as you pointed out. Without setting down the government, and now has gotten much less than that. So do you believe the president could take this deal and then declare national emergency? Anyway, as a means of using military money for the wall. Well, it's possible that the president will in all likelihood take this deal because he can't go down the path of recklessly shutting down the government again that was a disaster for him. It was a disaster for Republicans in the house and the Senate and clearly Mitch McConnell and his team over on the other side of the capital want. No part of that any further now the president may try to declare national emergency. But here's the thing if it was a national emergency. Why didn't he declare that to be the case on day one of his presidency going all the way back to January? Twentieth of twenty nine t excuse me of twenty seventeen always seen is rhetoric around this situation. But no real evidence. It is nationally -mergency in part because apprehensions are down at the border. Not. Becoming a lot of Republicans will say, well, look, it's it's yes. And maybe it's not the greatest thing for the president's exact what the president wanted. But at the same time. It's not what Nancy Pelosi is. She said not one dollar for wall, and here here they are with the deal for one point five billion or so well, what we've said from the very beginning is that the president would not get a dime for a medieval border wall in the midst of reckless government shutdown while he was holding eight hundred thousand plus federal employees and their families in the American economy hostage. We maintained from the very beginning that when the government was reopened. We'd be more than willing to have a mature conversation about border security and do what was necessary in terms of what the evidence directed in. That regard. We indicated that we would be willing to support some modest barriers where justified and that in fact is the case here, but this Bill will be twenty four. Century border security. It will invest in a type of infrastructure that we think is necessary around the legal ports of entry. It will invest in technology. It will provide money for humanitarian assistance to make sure that migrant families are treated with dignity and respect that they deserve and terms of food and shelter transportation and medicine and clothing concert conservative freedom caucus leader. Mark meadows told reporters day that if the president accepts the Bill does nothing else that it would be political suicide that does the president need to do something else to save face here. Oh, am I view. This is a victory for the American people because we finally put to bed the notion that shutdowns are legitimate negotiating tactic. When there's a dispute between two Coequal branches of government. I think what we need to do is movie on this situation. Hopefully, the Bill would get to the president's desk. He'll sign it into law by Friday, and then work with us as House Democrats on our for the people agenda where we're focused on lowering health care costs protecting people with preexisting conditions. Driving down the high cost of prescription drugs and enacting a real infrastructure plan. That's what the president talked about impart when he came before us at the state of the union address. Hopefully, once we end this sorted episode. We can work on issues of real importance to the American people. All right, congressman Jeffries. Appreciate your time. Thank you joining former orange chief of staff. Mike Shiels Pearson powers and former Republican congressman Charlie dent, Mike is would it tomorrow. Meadows point be suicide political suicide for the president. If he didn't do something else after this deal. I don't know about suicide. But I do believe he will continue to something that word that Republicans are using the down payment, and there is their policy to build to have stronger border security into build a barrier. They've got this money for this. There's other things that they can do to put money towards this. Then there's going to be election in two thousand twenty it'll be on the ballot and they'll come back again. And so I think the base is now with the president they've seen. He's willing to go to a pretty extreme length to fight for something that they all believe in his basis behind him and talking about his issue. We're not talking about healthcare. We're not talking about student loans. We're not talking about things that democrat, you know, climate change things that Nancy Pelosi, and the Democrats in congress want to be talking about we're having a national debate on border security, which is where he wants to be congressman Dan, do you think the president will actually sign this Bill, and then to Mike's point sort of use it as a jumping off point. Yes, he will sign it. But not not until he complains about it. I he will complain about it he'll whine about it. Then he'll sign it. And then I do suspect that the president will take some executive action possibly declare emergency, which I think would set off a bit of a political crisis. I think he's moving in that direction. He cannot move these funds around the congress appropriated without some kind of crush congressional approval from the appropriations committee he may try, but that would really set off a crisis. So he's going to sign it. He has no choice. It's better than a shutdown, and it's better that continuing resolution so curious I mean, if the president's is the Bill was what CNN has been told he intends to do does he deserve credit for compromising. Because obviously Democrats have you know, trying to take a victory lap saying he caved caved. The other word is compromise. Yeah. Now, when I I said this before that, I think that, you know, originally when he had struck a deal, and it was being portrayed as he had been rolled and he'd caved, and it's like, no, he he just he made. A deal. And I think that he would have been it would have been better for him. If he had taken earlier deals that were on the table. So I I don't know that it was the best deal for him. But I think that yes, he should get credit for doing. I think what is the right thing, which is avoiding another government shutdown realizing that he's not going to be able to get the funding that he wanted and standing up against the base to the extent that he needs to stand up to the base because another thing that I have felt for a long time is that he you know, he had caved before because he got all this backlash. I mean caved his base because he all the all this backlash from Rush Limbaugh. And an Coulter I think if he had just did his ground, then he would have been fine his space very firmly behind him. And I think that he's done so many things that they can point to that. They are happy about, you know, import probably won't is really the most important issue. I think among Republicans and not just the base is the court. So I don't think I don't think he would have been in any peril, frankly. But now he's done this. And we'll see. We'll see if there is a backlash for for him. You know, giving in my word using the president should be politically about legal challenges in court. I I don't I mean in terms of declares a national emergency tries to, you know, get get funds from other sources, it appears that there's two sites that argument. And I think they're still sorting through that. And I think there are other things they're going to be Ted Cruz as Bill to use the chapel money to go for the wall. I think there's other bills that are going to move through that you can start putting while funding and continue to have this fight. I think the point is. Yeah, he didn't get everything he wanted. He set the terms of the debate were talking about border security. There's a way to win the war maybe losing the battle. It's I've mentioned that before when I worked for Newt the government shutdown, but Bill Clinton wound up signing a balanced budget because we won the the American people. So I think as long as he looks like he's continuing to find ways to do this. And he he's not finished yet. He can keep doing that. Congressman that matures you mentioned the president's based you think they'll see this as a win. You know, I think the president really needs to lead his base instead of letting Ann Coulter, and Sean Hannity and others. You know, get them whipped up into a frenzy. The president has to declare victory say look, I've got I got additional money for border security. I'm not done down payment pocket the game. And then come back and fight another day. And I think his base will probably follow him more than they would those talk radio hosts. But he for some reason, the president is so gun shy. When it comes to certain, you know, shrill voices. He feels he has to the pandered to them. He really doesn't need to. It is was that the president is pointing to the larger number the twenty three billion dollar overall that it's a rise over over. What was spent last year? Right. But it could also kind of goes against the conservative talking point that the Democrats don't care about border security. Right. I mean, the president's right? There actually is quite a bit of money in this four border security. And so I I think that the Democrats were interested in striking a deal where they felt that it was the money was going to be well spent on the where the problems actually are. And the problems actually aren't going to be solved by a wall. I mean, that's the problem. It's the problems are more at the ports of entry. And so I think that that's that's. Where the money is rightly being focused, and he's been given some money for not not a huge big beautiful wall. But for some fencing, and I think that's reasonable. So whether he can say victory. I mean, he can go out and say, whatever he wants the fact of the matter is he had much better deals he walked away from. But you know, he can he can say he he victory or I think prob- probably more likely he's going to try to find a way to get this done in, you know, as Charlie's pointed out in a way that might be highly problematic. Denver shoot it like Shiels cures empowers. Thanks very much up next who leaked the details of bazars relationships National Enquirer. Now, we know details coming up. Remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash CNN. And that's director of football coach geography teacher and high school students with big dreams there that seventeen people killed at Marjory stoneman Douglas high school in parkland, Florida one year ago, tomorrow seventeen lives lost on Valentine's Day lives. Taken away. Seventeen lives changed forever. By the actions of a lone gunman. The death sparked a movement several students from the school have pushed for gun control. They call them politicians to enact new laws and distance themselves from powerful lobbying groups like the National Rifle Association. You may recall this moment from CNN townhall just days after the shooting. This is Cameron Caskey a student pressing Senator Marco Rubio. Senator Rubio, can you tell me right now that you will not accept a single donation from the NRA. Number one the positions. I hold on these issues in the second amendment. I've held since the day I entered office in the city of west Miami isn't elected official number to know, the answers in Russian is that people buy into my agenda, and I do support the second amendment. And I also support the right of you and everyone here to be able to go to school and be safe. And I do support any law that would keep guns out of the hands of a deranged killer. And that's why I support the things that I have stood for in the name of seventeen people. You cannot ask the NRA to keep their money out of your campaign. I think in the name of the seventeen people I pledge to you that I will support any law that will prevent a killer like this. No. But I'm talking. Joining me now is that student Cameron Caskey camera. Thanks so much for being with us. I'm wondering just what's going through your mind as the anniversary the first anniversary of what happened in park on approaches tomorrow. You know, it's been such a surreal time for us. But recently, I was thinking about how people think about parkland, and I was thinking about kind of the public image of the city, and it's it's really nice to know that parkland is looked at as a city where people even in the face of the worst possible tragedy stood up, and and stood for something that was larger themselves, whether it be school safety or gun violence prevention, we we took what could have been the worst thing in the it was the worst thing in the world for us, and instead of hiding away we stood up and showed that parkland as a city, and and this community and these families who lost their children and siblings. We're stronger than anyone who could try and hurt us. So while the shooter went into the school day trying to to ruin the world and trying to knock everybody down. Everybody was really able to come together and show the we're better than that. I mean, obviously, you've been a very strong advocate over the last year for tougher gun control on balance. Do you believe progress has been made? Well, I mean just moments ago HR aide passed which was a which is the bipartisan background check Bill, and that's the first gun violence prevention Bill that's been passed from House, Judiciary and decades. And that's just one of the many steps that's been taken today. Governor to Santos announced that there would be a grand jury investigating the school board in Broward County, which I know was such a great victory for a lot of the parents because there's been so much corruption on a local level here. So while again, we're coming up on the one year anniversary of such a horrible horrific thing that took seventeen of our best people. We're really seeing a lot of reasons to look to the future and see hope your senior. Now, I'm just wondering what it is it. What's it like at the school year on? Well, I I know that a lot of the families of the victims. Well, despite having gone through such a horrible thing. I see these people so often, and they're so grateful for all the help they get there so supportive. I mean, Patrick petty is a student at Douglas right now who lost his sister. And every time I talked to him. I say how how are you doing? Like, I I try to check in. He just he talks about all the things in the world. That are good. And he talks about how one day he'll be able to see a sister again. And so many people in Douglas, whether they were connected to someone who's lost or whether they just gone through such such trauma. They're able to look to the future with with hope. And it's it's something that is so nice to see so the whole community and parkland really has just shown so much. It's it's remarkable. What would you hope that tomorrow people think about or do or remember about parkland and the seventeen people who were murdered? You know tomorrow. I hope a lot of people take the the bitterly partisan politics of this whole situation and put it aside. Just for a day. I understand that. There's a lot that needs to be advocated for and there's still so many fights that we need to end. But tomorrow, I think is about thinking about your loved ones treating everybody with kindness and compassion, and realizing that this horrible tragedy is they still happen on a daily basis. I mean, you look around the country, and you see so many people being killed, and and they're so many steps we need to take. But it's really important to treat the people around you with kindness and compassion, get Rakowski, I appreciate talking to you. Thank you very much. Thanks for having me again. All right. I wanna check in with Christy would he was working on for Cuomo from time at the top of the hour. Chris. It is amazing. How those mass shootings dominate a moment. And then disappear. I was wrong about parkland. When it happened. I was like, oh, God another one of these tragedies, and we're going to go through this cycle. And all these people are going to be made promises that something will change. And then it doesn't. And you have to watch their heartbreak. But these kids were a catalyst that I didn't see coming on. And we haven't followed through to understand their impact in the midterms. But you know, they went all over the country. Yeah. Those kids. My sister Maria does documentaries and she's following them around one of her documentaries is going to be about their efforts. It'll be interesting to see what lasting impact there is what this year anniversary means really important for you to do. It's also made that you know, they Cameron's applying to colleges now others have gone to college that they continue the push. I mean, they continue the work that they're doing while the same time being kids, and you know, going to college and doing this stuff that everybody else does that age. Yeah. I mean, look an extraordinary thing to survive it Aleve impression on their lives. They're trying to make something of it. That is always the best way to survive a terrible thing as you. And I both seen many times many rations around the world. But we'll see what comes to. We're still nowhere on that from. Cultural issue and his advice is great. It's just not going to be taken the idea of putting politics aside. We've yet to see that when it comes to that issue tomorrow, I'll be dealing with that tonight. We're going to take on what just came out of that judge's ruling in the Manafort case, and what it means Anderson I've become convinced. I don't know what the mullahs probe is going to lead to. I don't see it ending the presidency. I could be wrong. But why did they lie? If they had nothing to hide is a question that applies in a way I have never seen before. It is the big question. We'll take it on. And it's not just one person long. It's multiple I have to live to live. Chris. We'll see you just few minutes about five minutes from now. 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