Stokely Hathaway - Notsam Wrestling 247
What are we it's been? We're covering evolve. We're covering fight for the fallen. We're covering extreme rules. The summer slim bill begins Bray White as back an interview with annex tease newest recruits stokely hathaway. This is not sam wrestling it is introducing your host from New York. Here is Sam little you know. I was going to start off by saying it's been busy week but at this point they're all busy weeks and you wouldn't have it any other way. Would you welcome here. We are once again not sam wrestling. You could set your watch by it happy Thursday or Wednesday. If you're a not Sam Shell over on Patriot by the way I do want to send a shoutout to start this thing to all the not sam shells you can become a Nazi showed Patriot dot com slash not sam. I'm wrestling less than a dollar week and you get a whole bunch of additional content. <hes> I said this week that I would do maybe it would be on Tuesday or Wednesday that I would do a a post show for evolve and for fight for the fallen. It's just been so busy and I'll explain to you what I've been doing and at this point the shows have been days and days ago and stuff is moved on so I didn't get a chance to do it so instead what I'm going to do for those of you that are on Patriots on this Friday a I will have an episode of captive audience. An episode of captive audience goes up on the not sam wrestling Patriot page exclusively for the not Sam shells this Friday. It's going to sit down with somebody. WHO's in my life? I have not necessarily a wrestling fan and in real time we're going to watch <hes> one of my favorite shows and I'm going to try to explain to them. Why wrestling is so awesome you can watch along with us and you can listen to it only if you're not sam show at Patriot freon dot com slash not Sam rustling all right so that's the make good <hes> the reason I been so busy is because so I mean I go from? I was in Philly on Saturday. If I was home on Saturday and I had access to the not Sam Studio on Saturday I I would've jumped right in to the studio right after the show is I've done before Donna Po show for evolve and for fight for the fallen but I was in Philadelphia on Saturday so I could wake up and on Sunday head right over to the Wells Fargo Center and be a part of the extreme rules kickoff show and be a part of the extreme roles watch along show of course had a great time doing both of those things even though I had to deal with the iconic again not always the most pleasant thing in the world but for the sake of professionalism we do what we do so on Sunday. I'm in Philly after the pay per view I go back to the hotel sleep for three or four hours. Probably three hours wake up drive from philly straight to New York City so I can get on the radio seven A._M.. Monday morning do the Jim Norton and Sam Robert Show where we had the Bagel guy you know the angry Bagel guy he came in on Monday left. The radio show went home. You said Hi to the children gave the wife. A kiss to the shower. Put on a new suit headed straight to Long Island <hes> where I went to raw on Monday to do commentary for W._W._e.. Main event so if you're keeping track at home confused. What does this a rerun now? If you go to Hulu Right now the July tenth episode of Main Event Watch it because you boy the last professional broadcasters Sam Roberts is doing commentary this week's episode of main event. There was taped before raw. 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We're going to cover a lot of that today in the state of wrestling so yeah it's a big time for wrestling and by the way after all that happens the build for summer slam also started because we're only I mean summer. Slim's early were less than a month away from Summer Slam in Toronto <music> this year which means we're less than a month away from takeover Toronto and Summer Slim Twenty nineteen. I mean good Lord right after Summer Slam. You GotTa Imagine Labor Day Creeps up on you. It'll be September and and before you know it W._W._e.. smackdown his on Fox A._W._S. on T._N._T.. The wrestling world changes again. We're moving quick baby. Let's try to be in the moment as all these changes happen. Let's try to be in the moment and realized realized that all of us fans right now are part of history and quite frankly these not saying wrestling shows are documenting said history. We'll be able to go back because these shows they stay up forever. We've been on for almost two hundred fifty episodes okay. That's years of podcast every single week and if you go back far enough none of them are behind a paywall. None of them have been deleted. I leave every episode. You can go back if you have a a couple of weeks off this summer. I don't even know how many hours that would be. I mean probably somewhere in the four hundred spare hours probably around that length of time you could go back and listen to the entire Sam Roberts wrestling podcasts slash not sam wrestling catalog. They're all there and much like other moments. In the last four five years. This moment is certainly a document in the changing wrestling history and it's really really really interesting and it's really fun as a time to be a fan <hes> speaking of being a fan. I've been a fan of a guy named stokely hathaway for quite some time or at least Oakley hathaway is the name that I've always known him as stokely hathaway he got his start ring of honor but he rose to prominence and gained awareness through mostly his work in evolve most recently on the independence he started doing stuff with beyond beyond wrestling but he really built a significant name for himself on the independent wrestling circuit and on social media as a wrestling manager and in the two thousand tens approaching two it doesn't twenty being wrestling manager and feeling relevant and new and feeling what's next is not the easiest thing in the world but stokely hathaway has managed to pull it off as very happy couple all months back when I found out that stokely hathaway much to my surprise and that's no slight at him was on the list of recruits for the new class of annex t you go back a couple of weeks we did a bonus podcast with Riddick Moss that was brought to you by Robert Strauss at the same time that Robert Strauss was brought in stokely hathaway was brought in as a manager for annex t now at the time of this conversation his official annex t name had yet to be announced so at the time of this conversation. He's simply known as the artists formerly known as stokely Hathaway as his career next W._W._e.. Continue <hes> <hes> his name change and and he will evolve into the performer manager representative that he was born to be now you know I it was great eight to have some time to sit down in the not Sam Studio face to face <hes> with stokely hathaway and kind of learn about who he is where he came from how he got here. What is goals are how he got into this world? Did he grow up a fan. He always WanNa be a manager D- what any study in school all kinds of stuff basically if you sat there and you follow him on twitter and if you don't you should because he's a great twitter follow Lilo. There's been a series of videos most recently in which he scouring the annex t roster and locker room trying to find out who stole his C._D.. Player no I'm not using that colloquially is in like Oh. It's just as no it's C._D.. Player he's got an Ashanti C._D.. And a couple of other CDs and he wants to listen to them and at some point he I blame the street prophets who claimed no knowledge of set incident but he's got a series of videos looking for for his C._d.. Player and asking annex t superstars and coaches either for help or if they had any involvement in the theft but he's done a lot of original sketches that each she puts out on twitter he films him he gets the performance around him to participate in them and then he posts them and they're just hilarious and it's the type of thing that really we should see more of you know I've always been an advocate for superstars is utilizing their social media you know I don't think I'm not a fan of there being a disconnect between the character on TV and the person on social media. I'm a fan of of that crossing over because as a fan you don't turn your Phantom off after the shows done you know as a fan you want to keep going with the story in and wrestling for better or worse whether you're happy about it or not is the most unique form of entertainment in the sense that people don't turn off the characters like if Bryan Cranston were tweeting Walter White on a regular basis you probably think that was weird but but it's more comfortable and it becomes more believable to see Fin Ballard tweeting fin ballard than if he said like Okay Fin Valor exists on Monday night raw and I'm just going to tell you what's going on in the life of Fergal Devitt now. I'm friends with Kevin Steen like you don't want to know that as a wrestling fan you don't WanNa see it. You don't WanNa know it. It makes it easier to get lost in the show. When you don't see the real people on social media you see the characters on social media and I think there's example Zampa after example of storylines being heightened by the performance using social media to get the audience involved and that's stokely hathaway does even though he hasn't had almost any T._v.? Time he started a tiny bit of ATV time as the as the tournament is the breakout tournament is progressing at the time of this recording but he's used social media to really kind of create a buzz and help the next audience define who he is and I think that's only gonNA continue once he starts to really establish himself on television my guest this week sitting down with me in the not Sam Studio face-to-face Ladies and gentlemen the performer formerly known as stokely hathaway the not sam wrestling interview for the first time here on not same wrestling doing it the proper way in the not Sam Studio Ladies and gentlemen the man formerly known in some lives as stokely hathaway. What's the hats man was going on? What's going on with you? I mean it feels like you're the man with everything going on right now on me. I mean I'm trying. I'm trying <hes> you know. It's a lot going on in the next world the next breakout tournament yeah which concludes in Toronto Toronto Yeah so I've had my eyes on everyone well. It's amazing what's going on with the annexed he breakout torrent because I feel like and we've talked about this before like every takeover special you're going and this is GonNa make years. You're looking at these generations of annexed classes and you can't believe the talent and you feel like okay. This is a moment like annexed is having their moment right now and all these moments eventually pass because people are GonNa go to the main roster and then it'll be the Monday after wrestlemainia or just maybe some random Monday and the main roster will come in and grab all this talent and you'll go okay so next to you had their moment but then you don't realize what's in the chamber yeah and I think what this tournament is doing for the first time is going to everybody. Look like I understand like we've been going off of what we've going off over the last year and a half or so and it's been the best the products ever been but ta look at these eight guys and it starts yeah. It's incredible and they're making everyone week by week. Yeah I think age regards is a perfect example. <hes> just take his pants off. Yeah I mean I wish I could do that. I'd probably booed but right. You might be arrested. Probably you don't know but but with Angel they all love them and it's about opportunities same thing thing with swerve and Cameron Grimes. It's the opportunity is there and it's up to you to just take advantage of it and do you look do you so you're such a unique position right because for the longest time W._w._e.. Me Aside from maybe Paul Heyman was manager free and for the longest time outside a W._W._e.. For the last three or four years you've been making a name for yourself primarily as a manager on the independence attendance so before any of this is happening before any of this is happening with an x T. Do you have like what are your goals in wrestling because it would almost I feel like be unrealistic to sit there and be like one day. I want to be a manager major in W._W._e.. Because I'd be like have managers w w what are you talking about man I mean it's funny because all my close personal friends told me that W._b.. Would never be a goal of mine. Well not a goal but they said it would never be attainable. These are the people that you love them as the people you count on though if it was three or four years ago it was just impossible so when I first started out it was just a break into wrestling. I'm I'm type person to where I make goals every year. <hes> is not a long-term goal is just let me see how much can push this and move forward so at first it was just to be in wrestling just doing whatever exactly right just being a part of this thing yes yes. It's hard as this. You know there's I'm sure hundreds of thousands of wrestlers but how many actually have a name or how many can someone you know <hes> say at a show right and the goal is to be like a household name but at the same time you can still be in India name right the name the wrestling fans no is is a huge leap from the average performer right exactly right so the second thing was just to have an Indie name and that came with evolve evolved was was really the showcase that brought me up to I would say wrestling stardom so to speak gig sorry Gabe gave me this opportunity and I just took advantage of it and that was the major thing and even when I was in evolve there was some moments to where I thought hey like. Maybe I could make it to Debbie. Maybe it is a possibility right and I did access and that was two thousand eighteen so that was last year and I went out there and that was probably the most nervous I've ever been because I didn't. I think I was given given my actual promo. Maybe like ten minutes beforehand and I remember pacing back and forth and the bathroom and a funny story I don't know if he will remember but pacing back and forth <hes> and I'm just reciting the Promo <music> over and over and over and I look back and Mark Henry is in the urinal taking up like three of them he just looks at me. Walk up by that time it's time to perform mm-hmm and I was walking back and forth and I was with Chris Dickson and Chaka and normally they're not nervous for me if there's a promo but they were very nervous and I'll never forget jock looked and said hey man. Are you ready for this and I said Yeah and then I had to start the promo behind the stage and so as soon as I said the first word you just clicked and as far as I know I went out there I killed it and I think that's what helped me get my foot. Ah into the door but then I didn't hear anything afterwards and so I think it was December and by the time you know again I in April. Two December has a long time and at gotten into the point to where I left evolve. <hes> I was doing standup on the side just for buzz and it was something that I enjoyed doing and then I started wrestling so I figured I needed to do something to help. Continue if that buzz because I think the hardest part about wrestling is everything goes in cycles <hes> and the hardest thing is just to keep that bus going right. That's why I started doing the stand up and the wrestling and then all of a sudden he's that was like what you're doing stuff for beyond that that period yeah yeah yeah and that kind of in March I think Russell Nick Gage Russell Chuck Taylor but this was crazy stuff like me wrestling ricocheting page at all for one and like hardcore man Canadian into a door crazy stuff yeah but I just got a call in December and it was hey are you signing where and I was talking to a few companies and I said well not now and then it was triple. H is looking for managers. Do you have you can send him just out of nowhere I was oh. Is that a bar I was at a bar. This is a Tuesday in New York. Get this phone call and then it's a tax them like yes sure and I didn't really believe it right right even then yeah even then you're not because I mean think about it. You're so far removed removed from the idea of I'm going to be managing the W._W._e.. Do you're having hard-core Matute bricky chain page. That couldn't be more different like it's almost like you said you know. I can't just keep being an indie manager because it doesn't lead anywhere so I gotta start doing doing other stuff of little. Did you know they're sitting there going like Oh. He was really good manager and it's funny because New Year's Eve I was doing beyond and Typically Thatcher pulled me aside and he sat me down like a child and and said hey you have to stop wrestling you. You really have to stop which it was baffling for me. Why did you think you had to stop because it was not good for your health because it was not good for your brand because I mean I will take this as a compliment? Yeah I don't think he minute as like a backhanded compliment towards anyone else or towards me or or what I was doing but he said I was to talented to Russell right that I was such a good talker and I was destroying join the image that I had spent years making I mean it goes back to that like Paul Heyman e C._W._a.. Of thinking where you completely hide the negatives and do everything you can do accentuate the positives of course now. You're in this position where you're so trying to figure out what to do next that you're doing stuff that you're not that good at and less of stuff that you are really good of course was working because it was such a freak show right the see me Russell right against Nick Gage right in a handicapped match. My partner is chopping Gresham. That's the most thing ever Russia's on the side laughing like his <hes> his arms across and it was a spectacle yeah so so in a sense it worked but he was more so worried about me being hurt right so it was strange. I couldn't argue who's going to argue with Timothy Batch so the plane was stopped anyway after that and I sent my highlight reel and it went to triple H in January so I am actually texting with you know the the liaison <hes> between me and tribulation everyone else and I'm at work. I met my row job. So the first text I get is oh they love it. I'm like okay cool. Turn a phone over the second Texas <hes> Hey hey. Would you consider moving to Orlando. I'm like Yeah Okay and then third Texas. Oh what's your email address. They're gonNa make you an offer. That's all one after the other half together in one day. You're sitting at work. Yeah this one wow until at five o'clock wow and so again. I don't believe in have a conversation with <hes> talent violations. I get that initial phone call and then the part that really worried me. <hes> was just the fact that there was a background check. There's a medical and you have to be in in great health to work for Debbie and rightfully so of course so it's everything is running through my mind. I'm like Oh did I not get this vaccine five years old if I can give everybody in the locker room polio what's going to happen here. Just all these dumb thoughts are just going through my head and so I think I got the initial <hes> full offer. I think it was the end of February now. I hadn't quit quit my job yet because I thought it was going to fall through right so I gave them two weeks notice. The first week was me me. Actually there in the second week was me working remotely because I had to move to go in Orlando Orlando. This is actually happening yet and even then I'm just waiting and waiting waiting and then I think it was the morning of I know it was the Friday before I get an email telling me the old they forgot to run a blood test so had to do that the morning running up and you're going like this is going to be the test. This is GonNa be the test that goes like now. We can't this yet so I did the tasks of course clearly everything was fine and then our report and that was that bits even to this day when I walked into the P._C.. I'm like you know is this is for real yeah and you and you kind of that feeling of like okay at some point. They're gonNA figure out I shouldn't be here and they're gonNA throw me out. The door like these weird to walk into the Locker Room and Adam Cole and Johnny Gargano and Matt Riddle Yeah talented the people sitting but I mean it's just this horrible who talks for a living. I did like what you do. It surprised me though that you you participated in the combine watching you on that rowing machine like again just wanted to prove that you're like hey man. I'm athletic to know that couldn't prove that was let it right but I think I had to. I think what I I sign. I think there is a misconception that I was just Pingyao at the P._C.. Right okay. I'm doing everything everyone else's doing right and I thought that was an opportunity for me to show that I'm that I'm I'm committed to doing this and you're there were exactly exactly and honestly I've gotten in in great shape doing the combine and doing strength conditioning and everything else has actually helped me bond with other people in the locker room yeah because it's mutual will respect yeah I think if I sat on the sidelines and said hey because combine was optional but it was it was one test for me and to is it was to show everyone that I am here to do the work. was there something comforting in knowing that like because imagine edgy get the offer and you're GONNA go down there and locker room and everything and you go. Oh my God. I've been in wrestling for so long but I'm going to this place where I don't know anybody and then you realize that as you're looking around it's like I kinda Yano everyone I've known these are all the people that I've been working but last four or five years or so in different incarnations or whatever and the kind of cream of the crop has all arrived right here it was wild and the locker room was just so welcoming just the people that you'll never expect in fact. I guess like you've forgotten. It's like they're oppression. Say this but they're like the nicest due to you looking for manager though yeah it's possibly that's possible I mean I can't I can't speak to everyone else but but they've been extremely nice to meet and welcoming and and to me that that means a lot 'cause I was just a new face. I was just to do walking in right right but I think that you know I mean. I don't know I feel like there is a a goodwill toward you in the sense that people are aware aware that you've been in wrestling for as long as you have been and regardless if you're in the ring or managing like I think everybody's kind of acknowledged that you're really good performer true but I think regardless of where you go when it's a new place you have to prove yourself yeah yeah okay okay yes and that was my mentality yet. I know nothing I know a little bit when he gets my job to learn the devotee system and how they want me to do it and that was challenging. I mean that was my first two months. There is to take the independent version of me and make it the Debbie version is not an a hat to look at it as <hes> not not not from a selfish standpoint just what I want to do and what I thought was funnier or whatever it's what can make the most money for a deputy my career. What do you have to offer this bigger product like how at not like? How do I go out there and make myself the biggest thing? How does how does how does what I do? Fill a puzzle piece in this bigger picture of everybody making the W._W._e.. Into a bigger thing and I mean that's no different from working at any other company wrestling or otherwise like when you work for a company the reason the company's paying us because you can add value to the company. It's it's a relationship. That really worked for everybody and to make money but it's it's. It's funny. A lot of people don't they don't look at it like that and I think the one thing that really helped was the C._d.. Player bit. I thought I was playing with fire and then all of a sudden triple Leitch mentioned it on a conference call and it was how he'd liked different people making their own content and honestly it it strange way. It helped make everything bigger. I know some people on the main roster solid I know some some of the writers saw a lot of the talent saw it. You know it showed that I can take something so dumb bright and small that I created and I made something just go for weeks yeah yeah. It's still going kind of months at this point. I think it started in April or something like that and it's just this long threat yeah I mean. I don't think I picked up by the C._D.. Player until way later and like I saw the but I saw the first tweet because it popped up in my time line and. I had missed it. The first time or whatever the reason popped up in my time line is because everything's a thread yeah so it was one of those things like you find a show on Netflix and you go. Oh my Gosh I can binge. Watch all the episodes right now version of the wire exactly yeah. You're like yeah. It's a bummer that the shows off but I just found this thing I can watch six seasons right now. Horse yeah absolutely now I wonder about the content that you do because like I mean even for me part of probably the most for me anyway awkward awkward or uncomfortable or probably the pleasant part of doing this podcast is reaching out to people and saying hey we do my show. Hey when you my podcast. Hey you WANNA come to my studio. Hey you WanNa and I always think about you and the fact that you have to go up to people like even something his silly which I thought was hilarious as the coming to America bit yet says thirty second video but like I'm thinking about it and I guess it start thinking about it from a producer standpoint for whatever and I'm like there's like eight people in this video and they're all playing specific roles than each one of a matter and I'm going like all everybody in this video had did not only agree to do the video but you had to sit down and explain the vision to us. You know what I mean. You couldn't just be like Oh. We're GONNA do this thing and you do whatever you want to do. It's like the the comedy will work. You do this and you do that and you do this and you not only have to have the confidence to ask them to do it and to explain the bit idea and everything but that is actually gonna work because if it's lame that's on you. Yes I mean that that's always been the big hurdle so the first returns asked people I think the funniest one was <hes> Shayna and asked her and she didn't get it at all. 'cause that's the other thing people have to protect what they're portraying a television like chain of as there can't be goofing around about a C._d.. Player most dominant women's The champion of all time but of course keep that in my everyone is in character even myself if I have to make myself the butt of the joke with video that's cool too but I told chain of trust me. It's GonNa work so we filmed it. She thought it was kind of finding when we filmed it and then once that's I put it together because I did it right when the show was going on she died. When are you going to post it? WE'RE GONNA post it to where I was intimidating. I'm like listen. I'm going to post it. Timing matters to yeah earned the goodwill of anyone in the locker room because they know that it's going to be funny right so even with the coming to America video I pulled everyone aside and I said hey have this idea and even and Chelsea and Karen there were like <hes> okay and so it just it blew up of course I don't know what it is. I'll just wake up and I'll have this video or this concept in my head and then I'll try to flush it out and yeah but for the most part it's it's I would say eighty percent Improv. Wow with everybody involved video so you're I mean that means you're bringing out like probably talented. People didn't even necessarily know they had like comedic Improv. I don't know if take credit for that well. Maybe I'm getting credit. Now you're probably right but so. When did you find out that it was like the desktop was being well received not just by fans but by the office by the locker room like that okay? This is actually thirty something because I would. I would think that that's something you're a little bit concerned about that. You know the fans are going to dig this but like if everybody around. You thinks that you're douchebag that wasn't the intention was just in passing. Just people saying Oh hey that was funding more it. It being shared in my group chats or I think once I noticed that people on the May roster started to pay attention. I think the most eye opening thing was big. E tweeted about it <hes> and he tweeted. I hope Stoke hathaway gets. It's a C._d.. Player back it really has spread right right especially because be become king twitter so it's like okay. I got the cosign from big good to go and to me. That's that's when the ball really really started to get rolling yeah so when you see when you start it when you start in wrestling the I kind of big thing he did ring of on right <hes> and you did two years with them when you leave ring of honor and you just kind of venture off into the independence. That's gotTa be a pretty scary. Everything is a manager because it's one thing for a company like ring of honor. The thing about being a manager is I mean every any company has like quote unquote managers but there could just be some random guy. They're doing bobby Heenan Spitzer whatever's but like to be an effective active manager you have to have storylines built in and you have to have people that you manage every single show and there has to be this sort of you know regularity to it right and so with ring of honor that would that's something you could do because their shows every month or every rebe three weeks wherever often they were running and it's like there. Is this storyline going when you off into the independence and you go woman to be a manager I would imagine that's gotTa be free scary because you don't have a homebase anymore. It wasn't it was not scared. It wasn't so maybe it's like a sick intuition that I have always had but when I was in honor I didn't really do much griots not a slight on them. It's just I think one I wasn't fully prepared for the role that was put in and two there was no real real opportunity to to grow as a performer right so they're so wrestling heavy anyway. It's like you know and at the time there was like six or seven different managers <hes> and it was just a lot everyone was trying to vie for for that spot and had the chance to work for evolve and I was pretty much given an ultimatum ring of honor or evolve and so I chose evolve <hes> and I knew that if I would've stayed in rhythm honor I I just would have been there there would has been no opportunity to become stokely hathaway or two or to even be sitting here it just it was one of those things to where I felt like. I like. I need it to to do the same thing we've leaving evolve. One thought it was crazy but I I knew that if I would've stayed in evolve and this isn't a slight on Gabe or or anyone there I wouldn't be sign right now. Eventually you have to just and I hate this phrases so cliche but you have to bet on yourself and say hey you know what these all my chip's GonNa throw him in the basket and see what works I see. What does it become a thing where like okay? I've been in a certain place for so long that like okay what I do is now. I don't want us to take him for granted but it's like it's defined. I'll say that like what you do is defined so if you want to keep doing the exact same thing over and over again. We'll keep you forever. You keep doing that but there was. There's no growth of course right but with evolve there was there was nothing else for me really to do you think it was. I managed T._J._p.. <hes> and the whole point point of me being involved was the help him look like a star for the cruise away classic so I did that which Gabe loved <hes> and then it was a transition period because T._J._p.. Left and I remember Gabe asked asked me hey like what would you want to do next and I pitched us and I thought he would say no and it was a manage Thatcher <hes> so I wrote up this whole thing and it was about it's it's our couple right. He was this depressed champion who wouldn't even carried the belt because catch point inhabit there were bullying him so me being piece of garbage that I am I would manage him and our carry the belt narcissistic I would love to be the all champion right and it just worked and that lasted. I think maybe a year and a half <hes> <hes> and so I managed the vault champion with the Mike Seven eight months right being there right and then it was the tactic championships and then I think cashpoint had two or three rains with that so I had done almost everything there was a do evolve uh-huh and I think gate says it all the time you know sometimes it's time for you to leave the territory and try something different. Is there more of a worry when you leave evolve because you know there is I mean you end up at access to do that. Show there's a cooperation you know you know triple h William Regal Oh you know these is our on evolve. If of course W._W._e.'s aware of everything on to some degree or another some less some more but we know I mean you know evolve is going to be on the W._W._e.. Network we know that the stuff that happens in evolve there is a direct act path to the theoretically to W._W._e.. So to leave is almost like okay this. I'm leaving that. I don't want to say easy path but that kind of pat that's already been walked as well at that the time this was last year yeah one thing that I don't want to be stuck and I didn't it was it was really clear what the relationship between evolve and W._b.. Was I see and I wanted to be signed. I didn't want I see I didn't want to just workforce evolve which that makes sense. I done it already right. I was ready for for the next chapter so once I left. That's when I said all right I really have to move forward and do all of this stuff and to make myself a star and that's why I started doing doing the stand up and right right right wrestling inches all just kind of just just took off from there and yet I mean I you can't really say enough about timing right. You know you can't really put your finger on Wednesday the right time to do what but but things tend tend to happen I mean the timing worked out perfectly my last match and beyond which was the main company that I was working for Andrew a wrestler. It was against Eighty Kingston so the storyline which we didn't really get to finish was the fact that I left evolve and I was going crazy. That's why I was I was wrestling and so eventually I was losing my mind right so when Kingston beat me that was that was it that was my last match and beyond right and he just power Balmy on a bunch of chairs and Tim yelled at me afterwards. It just went away yeah did you how did you did you garner new appreciation for hardcore wrestling when you started doing more and more of that stuff. Did you enjoy it on any level. Did you say to yourself like Oh. This is why should have been manager. I mean no. I I had a lot of fun. The only time when I was like Oh like this really sucks was the match against ricky shame page and this was maybe the first three minutes yeah I was up top ready to hit the Canadian on him and he went to slap me but I turn my head. It was like split-second he caught me in the ear and then it was a silence your thing so the eardrum just completely ruptured and that's right at the beginning of the match Auber I did a dive and then I went back to a second I've and there was a huge miscommunication for the second dive. I thought he was just going to hold the chair up and drop it and catch me. 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I actually was going to W W in February and I was going to train for two weeks and that was going to be kind of the last hurrah wrestling because I'm be learning from Walter and Thatcher and then the whole wrestling storyline would have ended in March and I had arranged to where I would have transitioned back to becoming a full-time manager. I got you so there was there wasn't exit strategy yes but at the same time I had another offer on the table so it was it was a really weird time from December two. I would say February yeah lot going on so yeah. That's so interesting way. It's only three months but it's like like like that must feel in your head like it's such a long time because so much stuff was in the air and so many decisions are getting made so much happening yeah. I was stressed in my in my apartment here. The lease ended the February so that's like real life telling us you know. Let me stay landlord our endless I paid. I think it was two months rent <hes> the stay for another month because I didn't know if I could pull on moving in time and I'm insane. I'm not GonNa just pay you to a month like that's insane why you one month's rent for saying among it was just insane. No I know what it was. She would have kept d security security deposit if I would have stayed in charge me for for that month's rent and so that was assigned from God just to make a decision right away and just to leave all worked out. Have you and I'm not GonNa ask you mentioned any name so you can feel free to be honest <hes> if it's not the most positive thing in the world but have you had instances where you know as a manager. Your job is is to get other people over but a lot of the fun stuff is yours. You know what I mean a lot of the stuff that interacting with the audience a lot of the Mike stuff like that's yours. Have you had interactions with people who you are assigned to didn't think they needed a manager or didn't yeah of course and how do you handle that like how do you because you can't sit there and person the show yeah yeah yeah. That's my response rice. It's okay if you don't like it happen. In evolve uh-huh it happened I would say maybe my first year of doing all these different. It was a storyline of me trying to figure out who to get again because at your went with with Walter it was like this really weird story to where Walter took Oh my client and I was extremely hurt by and there were people who I don't know if you remember the thirty for thirty that I did a lot of people didn't want to be a part of it that that was actually the first video giant video that I wanted to make 'em people people just did not understand and SAR promise game and Sal said listen just trust me to to do this. It's going to work and so I pay for that out of pocket and so there were other people in it and yet they just said no we think stupid or they had other weird demands and how they wanted to change it and I just said Okay just did it myself and it turned out better that way and then of course if later it was all man look I wish I would have you know like maybe next time there's no I don't think so oh yeah and it's weird if you may have deleted a lot of those tweets but if you go back and look at that time period if there are tweets still up that's when I started changing a lot of the graphics and promotions to to me being the focused as opposed to pushing wherever you or yeah yeah but I thought there'd be a lot of pushback but it worked but I think there is a balance with INEX- teed when I was with lots of read <hes> thing to where it was. The both of us wasn't doesn't just stokely at the way it wasn't. Just you know what other name I was using the time. It's it was me Brockton really. We're a duo like we're a squad and you know if if there is someone who says I don't need a manager it's okay. This is my job. I still have to collect the page. That's not on me. You don't have to tell me that you don't need a manager. Tell the people who are asked me to be your manager. Yes and that's the promoter but for the most part even before I left for anyone that I was paired with they enjoyed Loyd it because a strange as it sounds a lot of times. I had a bigger following whoever I was managing so it actually helped a lot <hes> the Christian Kosovo was in limbless. That was someone that I said okay sure they wanted me to manage him and okay. It's my job to help get him over not just at limitless just overall on the Internet and and in wrestling in general so when you get signed and you go to Orlando and you're in annexed tea and you realize like okay it take how how long does it take before you start to settle and go okay. This is I'm here. I think maybe just settled in a few weeks ago really because every day is different yeah of course is different and for me. I think if I get to settled I don't I don't ever want to get comfortable. Of course I know for some people that's that's a good thing for them. Yeah me no. You'd like to stay on your toes yeah yeah every day I walk in. It's just that I don't know what I'm walking into right good way. I think we had <hes> this was the most surreal moment we had a show for the P._C.. Sometimes we do the internal shows and triple. H was there undertaker Batista. You look around and it's like does it. mm-hmm yeah say the wrong thing. I'M GONNA forget my Promo. It's one of those things you really have to be on your game twenty four seven. How much time did you spend figuring out the difference between talking like you and talking like wrestling manager does because I still L. to this day? Watch people do promos and it's like you know people who ask for like they think that they need like these long promos and then they start with like well. Let me tell you something well the thing about it and I'm like I've seen and this is like before. We even know what this thing is about. I've seen it all ready. I know the cadence. Yes I know exactly rhythm in which you're speaking like. I've seen this thing before. How long did it take you to not go okay? I grew up watching wrestling managers. I'm GonNa do a wrestling manager thing and just go. This is what I do. I'll be honest the main the main influences were probably black comedians. It wasn't now granted. I watched Freddie Blassie. I watched the brain Heenan Paul Heyman and everyone else Gary Hart but it was Bernie Mac was Robin Harris. It was Martin Lawrence. <hes> I studied the way they talked and that was oh okay. That's how people relate late they right someone. That's that's talking like a real human being right and those are the guys by the way that have the ability to stand up there for sixty minutes ninety minutes plus exact and get you for the entire time exactly and they were put in any role they could do tv uh-huh they could do film and they'd be the most hostile standup crowds of course in the world jam that if you did Def comedy Jam Sunday you were solidified as a comedy great and Robin Harasses One of my favorite comedians maybe kids is probably like my favorite comedy album and so it was a lot of that it was a lot of that humor and getting that that rhythm of the cadence down and that's what I try to us and then relating relating it over to a Wrestlemania of course and it's been working it's kind of strange to say but I think and I will say even when I got to annex T it was still an adjustment as I still have to <hes> throughout how to do it for for their crowds yeah yeah I mean crowds that understand like you know it's like humor and speaking in an entertaining way like there are certain cadences where people that are familiar with what you're doing are instantly going to be like. I know what he's doing. That's funny like I like this and people that are from another world completely are GonNa go. I don't get this what's happening of course and you have to find that middle ground of going. How do I just make it so that everybody gets it <hes> but I think that's why I'm grateful? The fact that I everyone has to do this but some people start out on on T._v.. Right away darted doing the whether call the coconut loop <hes> so we're somewhere in Florida every single night <hes> and I had a long conversation Smith we go about it. He said that it was okay to fail. I can I can try something different every single night. It's an issue if I fail and I keep failing over and over and over but if I'm trying to figure out my rhythm in my reuven and who with this new version of of Stoke Hathaway is supposed to be <hes> then that's okay right what does what the shows are for right. I mean and that does go back to stand up in the sense that it's like a stand up. The doesn't bomb is not a stand yeah like you know what I mean. It's expected and you get when you get comedians around each other the first thing they start doing his telling stories of colossal bombings when they're just going and you know they've been doing this for thirty years and they try something new and they get in front of an audience and it just is dead in the water watering. You go okay different in my head yeah yeah. That's a different deal but you're right. If you're on live television it's not really an option. Oh that's it. That's it and the good part is we have writers. Yes so in a sense I've been extremely blessed. Thus far that when I worked the coconut shows the will give me bullet points but I'm allowed to write most of what I want to say now and I will recite it and I won't rehearse it ah for them and they will give me the okay. There's minor tweaks here and there sure but it's like you said earlier just I I learned evolve. Keep a short <hes>. I don't need a six minute promo to introduce myself or anyone with it's you give me sometimes I'll try to in my head. Say a minute and then when you pause for the audience reactions or just little things that happen in May go two minutes and a half but that's the perfect length yeah yeah I mean word economy is a is a is a toolbox toolbox that a lot of people leave behind. It's pretty valuable yeah especially when you're dealing with live audiences they're they're. They're wrestling at the end of the day of course I mean and if you're the third promo of the night you're really tough spot because they've they've heard one version of this. They've heard another version and then by the time you come all now another one right. Oh it's your job to keep them entertained and not make them resent the fact that they're listening to a third promo. So what wrestling did you grow up watching. I so I started watching. It really weird time told this story before but I didn't. I wasn't a fan of rustling grow up yeah. I have a broken dodd here because I like you're such a fish to water with it. You would think that it's just your brother. We're nine years apart younger and he was a big wrestling fan so I didn't really get into it until this was probably mid attitude era uh-huh so for me it was also I was in high school and and I'm trying to figure out what a Rudy bucaneers my God yeah like cleaning. This guy has eyebrow flipping everybody everybody off. I don't understand stuff disrespectful. It was such a disconnect for this doesn't make any sense I was reading marvel and X.. Men and everything else and so it wasn't until Sports Guy Legit you're comic book comic humble convert and stand up comedy. That was your extended comedy. Okay that was it. I remember sneaky and Dave Attell C._D.. You know because my parents would have been horrified that was listening to but I started watching it with him Evan. I'm like Oh. This is great. These guys are are assholes and they're literally doing whatever they wanted to do and it gave me a gave me like a weird sense of self confidence too because I'm like if they can do that then I can do that right and then I started watching it and then how I really got into it. This is a real crazy part. I was in Grad school because I want to be an actor uh-huh so everyone had to do like a thesis project and I'm trying to think the breaking point was someone did it was a C._S.. Lewis <hes> he did one of his place and it was the most horrible thing I've ever seen in my entire life you who directed a player you in a play they chose both else else through so I was home and then I think it was it was a ring Amman or d._v._d.. I think it was seen punk. <hes> the best of Saint Paul Okay punk versus. I think homicide WHO's watching. I'm like you know what this is an art form clearly but in my mind like something just click storytelling starts to click in the narrative the whole thing the structure of what's going on you email my professors and I'm like hey have this idea and they all thought I was out of my mind. I feel like that's how a lot of your ideas start yeah and most people roger going yeah. This is so stupid. It makes no sense. If you WANNA flock you already paid us. Thousands of dollars doesn't matter whatever so I trained to become a wrestler and that. I was how I wrote my thesis and so I originally trained crazy story with Mike Quackenbush <hes> so Azzaro and Sarah D._R._A.. The Windsor my original trainers with the intention to not be a wrestler but to write a thesis pieces on the price and I remember I did that for four months and I remember saying I'll be back and they don't yeah okay because people were just quitting left and right right. I'm sure they thought I was the last person because clearly you saw the combat. You can imagine what my first four months arrested traders. It's not like some of us are blessed with athletic. Some of us are established from a young age that I could not be a professional in ring competitor. I just didn't I don't have the D._N._A.. For you know I get it. Just imagine a turtle with broken leg. That's probably the most accurate dismiss but you can't even get the momentum it'll legs but they did because they helped me right. The paper interviewed all of them I and then I graduated and I came back in the next year and there were shot to see me <hes> and then I kept doing the professor think they loved it. They did yet. They loved it. They thought this was the greatest thing ever so I turned it in. I remember I sent in a copy to Cicero and I think the one thing that he said well. Sudoku thought it'd be longer than I continue training and then there was an opportunity so you continue training just because now you kind of fall in love with yeah whoops. I thought this is just the thought that was just doing this for a project and now this kind of you know just paid all this money to be an actor but whoops. I just fell in love with wrestling over here and I couldn't stop it was it was probably one of the most difficult things that I've ever done but for me. It was just just ahead to keep going because I I was surprising myself. I could do my first Ford role and not tear my quad. I was like Oh right. You know it's progress and I can actually see yeah and so I just kept doing it kept doing and once again. I guess I guess in the acting world like you could be the greatest actor in the world but so much of it is just like. Is this the right project. Does this audition work. Is Today your day like there's so little to actually quantify whether you're doing better or worse yes but in wrestling like especially because you are non athletic to begin with like when you start being able to do athletic things you're going. I'm getting better yes yeah and it feels good. Yeah crazy. You think too is like throughout the whole period all my actor friends were were broke. They were dead broke so I was slowly becoming more successful and also making money and wrestling which for all intents and purposes like it should not have happened right. Hey all my friends who are doing off Broadway Broadway. They're broke right now. I mean I'm sure if I know actors to. They're probably going like how does twitter followers. Hey how'd you those people on Instagram like you know what I mean. They start realizing there's a little following even in the very beginning beginning like the following obviously grows tremendously but when he I would imagine you start to grow this following yeah and people that I mean at the end of the day there's a few people that wannabe actors for the craft but most people want to be famous yes and when they see this happening they're like Oh. was He doing yeah yeah but that's what that's what helped me get into stand up as well. The fact that I had this following I don't remember I did busted open and it was to advertise my first comedy show and he's all of these wrestling fans. I'm like Oh wow like I. I think you know that that you may have support or or fan base. That was the first time that I really saw it and it actually <hes> Mitt something more because it was something outside of wrestling and half people come to see me do. Could you support you the grant. It may have been to see me fail. which was you know? They were all their George Annella. was there the fact that you know he came to see me. Do Stand up. Just I think he had broken his leg so he's on crutches ages. You know coming in to see me before him yeah and it was it was why yeah yeah. It is kind of nuts. When you realize Oh my God there's people who support me yeah yeah like I guess I should keep so? Do you have any does any party though like the deeper you go into wrestling go you know my passion was acting acting like I don't or or once you locked into wrestling. Is that passion kind of locked in I mean I think I'm doing it right. Have the best job ever I think I'm doing both I view wrestling as performance <hes> at least with with my part so I have to get into character and so it's it's when I walk out there. I am a certain way when I leave a certain way <HES> and I'm sure you've noticed like the person that you see in these videos and on and on the shows it's it's a completely different person in person man i. It's something that I get into and it's it's an art is writing for me. I'm sure some people may be offended by me saying that but but that's the way that I can. That's the way that I can the <hes> trumping of the right word. It's the way that I can make everything successful for me. Get it through that that Lens right and and also like you know you should be apply when you get a set of tools. You know that you would get a Grad school yeah. You should be able to apply those to the things that you're doing if you're sitting there and you're doing you had to Grad school right now. You paid a lot of money. Grad schools not cheap and you're doing a job mm-hmm and you're realizing nothing I didn't Grad school applies to this whatsoever. You gotta be sitting there going like why why waste all that time and money right stopped at the highest level as it because I think I'm probably one of the few people who actually went to Grad school doing what I went winter Grad School for everything that I've learned <hes> from vocal techniques to stage combat to production values to just just everything has been used in wrestling. Does it bother you when <hes> people in the acting world or in the arts communities don't take wrestling seriously not really because I think is one of those things where it's it's. It's hard for different forms of entertainment to appreciate one another <hes> so for me as us. Whatever you know Yeah Yeah Yeah? It's on them. Yeah yeah that makes sense does about him at all so now that you're signing everything you sit there. Sometimes maybe you're doing this before and cry. Do you watch do you watch the main roster shows or even annex t shows and start fantasizing about like Oh. They paired me up with that person they pair me up with this person like Oh we could do some there. We could do something here like those thoughts. Go through your brain not really. I tried to watch raw ron smack down to a five live exceed U._k.. I try to watch everything with the Lens of everyone that I'm watching on T._v.. And Around T._v. for a reason so how can I up my game to reach their their level. I see that yeah. That's the first thing that I have in my mind. It's not really like a fantasy booking thing because I don't think that I'm there yet and even if I saw something great like I couldn't be like Oh. Hey you know what me me and brock. I think I think that's I think that's all I think the thing with that your work and that was odd. Couple of Brock also would be odd together so I think you ever think we should do it and I mean I know ball now. I've heard you're making some decisions so maybe I take over no okay what happened to remember his name yeah signed and everything yeah you more drawn on that for inspiration of going like like wow how these people are excelling at what they're doing. Yeah Kevin Owens has been a huge help since since I mean years ago but but especially now and I he's one person that I specifically watch because he's so good good at what he does and for me. It's like that's that's level of of Promo work or just just even just like his facials like his body language like that's. That's the level that I need to be at so when I'm watching these shows rose is really to to say to myself okay. How can I take something that they're doing and and try to not not copy of course not not emulate but but they're doing something how can I how can I find my my tricks and greater or you know my little my little quirks that can show on camera that can make me adobe superstar so we were talking about managers and stuff you brought up not just kind of the the the the eighties classics that Bobbins and Jimmy Hart for you? Were mentioning Gary Hart. You're mentioning all much of people there when you started to really dive into wrestling because it was later for you. Did you just go back and start consuming everything you think you had to you because one one big thing that try not to do is I will watch it but I can't watch a lot of it at at one time because I think we all have the habit to kind of like copy order or to pick her yeah yeah yeah yeah so even even with Paul Heyman I will watch him but I won't watch a lot of Paul Heyman at one time because I don't want to a promo start saying my name is Blah Blah on my clients. It'd be so easy because he sounds so good and that's his thing yes says thing in unless those paying tribute to him but I think it'd be highly disrespectful to to do something like right so for me it was you know unless I was specifically assigned like I worked for <hes> one company at this point and I was I was I think the the second Gary Hart like this kind of what they want me to be so of course I'm going to try to pick up little things because I was specifically told us what they wanted me to do but for the most part it's you know I went back and I and I saw okay like this. Is this says what manager is supposed to be. Yes so you know let me let me try to figure out my own way about <hes> about doing what do you think sweet and sour Larry Sweeney. He's one of the best yeah I mean. That's because I was thinking about you today and I was like who does is if there was any comparison draw from and I. I always think that's high praise I know I know it probably uncomfortable for you but that's that's where I started because I often think like how far could Larry Sweeney of gone I mean I think he would have been signed. One hundred percent one hundred percent. I think he might have brought back managers years. Yeah I agree with you one hundred percent but also it's funny that you said that it's I think you have to give credit to Zelina Vega and also behind him to drink maverick. Yes yell so Lee Rush Rush because yeah absolutely they ushered in this this new era of of managers in dividend and all three of them are so I mean they just became so undeniable. Yes that you you're just a immediately. I mean Zelina Vega from Jump Street was like well this is this is like a whole nother. It felt like anything that got thrown at her. She was GonNa make better like I think she's incredible watching drake. You know kind of come on W._W._e.. And you'd go I didn't I did not see that signing happening and then you're going like okay for five live. I get it and you watch him become like a highlight of raw his killing. It's amazing. It's amazing what all all of those performers are doing and so they ushered in yeah this this opportunity for me to just gets on yeah and I appreciate it and it's nice to that that I feel like as a W._w._e.. It's gotta be nice for a person who's in the position that urine. I do feel like that as W._W._e.. Is kind of slowly bringing back the role of Mandra because they're not managers. Everybody's got different titles but actually liked it. Everybody has different titles because I feel like back. There was a time when it would just be okay. We have a bad guy. Let's put him with some manager and we'll just do it like this. It's a formula and now it makes sense like there's a reason it's not like Zilina. Vega is just this evil woman with this stable of bad guys yes should this is my client. I am business manager of this person. Paul Heyman is not like here's the Heyman guys yeah. I'm hearing advocate for Brock legendary hire me to advocate for him and I feel like the same way you know you're you're in a position where you know that once once you you find exactly what your niche is going to be. I think it'll it. It's GonNa make sense. We can have faith that it's GonNa make sense. It's not just going to be a manager for the sake wake of being a manager that I'm just a guy right yeah right and that's and that's something that that we've been working well when I say we me and everyone on on the creative team is how to figure out how to name me and I came up with with with something and and I think it was a hat to it was one of those things where and I appreciate this. They didn't get it at first so had to try it on different live events and they got it and I I would make videos and send it you know Senate to them and then they kind of got it and then slowly but surely they're like Oh. I know exactly what this is so hopefully it will make it to an x t but it was one of those things it was you know let's let's try to figure throughout something different to where I'm not just a e manager I mean even then you probably go back into Grad school because what actor doesn't put themselves on tape to audition yeah. It's the same literally the same thing you have to the one thing it's crazy. The one thing I was told is when you get to W._b.. See you don't have to worry as much like you know you know. Get rid of the indy hustling mentality but I think it's complete opposite yeah. Is he complete opposite. I will film stuff all the time I will film videos from PROMOS. I will come with ideas and not in a in a pestering thing but it's me going. This is what I have to offer funny. I can be serious acting aloof. You know all these different things because that helps make their job easier yeah and also also lets them. There's no reason to take for granted that they know everything that you're capable like that would be pretty egotistical on your part. Just be like WanNa hear yeah. Can you just look at me and tell that I'm great at every like you should know I can do all of these things yeah. What do you you think please and if they don't like something? Okay cool drawing and I think that's what the has to offer. It's like you're back in school like rice your job to train and learn and come up with ideas. It's not you just show up. I'm here. I got my contract. Put me in my spot yeah yeah. No you have to work for yourself. Yeah Yeah and that's the way it should be. Do you have his facial expressions in the mirror. I used to not as much anymore because you got your got him down and you've so so you've had how does how you work with memes. Do you have a folder on your phone full of memes. Do you have all your references that are just in your head and goes in my head so you go. There's a scene in a movies and this would be great spot for this scene for this person going <hes>. Do you know how many times this is before. I got signed of course I would just Google Kooky from New Jack City. I can't do it anymore now. You can't buy go-to. I'm like Oh. This is a really dumb Sir yes because yeah I'll sit. There and I'll go like I wonder if he has a special folder for just replies. Do you have a facial expressions folder. Now you know yeah it's it's I would say. Maybe I'm trying to think the last time I look I think it was like five thousand images just my twitter folder and how just go on just what's appropriate appropriate favorites some photos favorite it and I'll just go back and just like where some people like my phone. If you go through my favorite you'll see like a whole bunch pictures of my kids. You see one of my daughter's just for you but you're crushing it the game so it's like you know obviously you're doing something right. I hope so you know nobody told me to stop yet. Yeah Yeah I also I mean your do you feel responsibility to keep that sort sort of pop culture education up-to-date I mean I feel like you have to. Although you never very smart thing by leading into like nineties yes nineties culture because it's like that's again it just like the facial expressions that's blocked in your good on that yet but I still feel like you do bear certain responsibility to have an awareness that other people don't need to have <hes> sometimes I do think it is my job to be entertaining. <hes> and that's one thing that kind of struggled with this. It's and I'll be honest. It has been M._I._T.. Entertaining like we'll take away from whoever I will become on x t television because they weren't taken seriously because they're waiting for like army reference or something but I think I think it's all about finding dining that perfect balance. Yes why that's why I've changed some of the stuff that I've put out there <hes> in hopes of leading to that too that direction but as far as like educating people yeah kind of like today it was the anniversary of paid and fall. I re tweeted that because most people would have no idea like the coming to America. It's just stuff is in my head and I'm like well. Why not share it with the people who follow me because I'm guessing that they follow me because they have similar interests right so or at least like you referencing all that stuff yeah so? Did you grow up watching a ton of movies too I did it was just pop culture non-stop non-stop yeah. I'm the same way that's why I sit there like every single reverend intimate Yup Yup Yup Fantastic Sanjay Dutt. He told me one day he was like dude. I just I love your twitter. He was like how old are you okay. You're that checks that's about right that was twenty one or something right right on research back and tried to pull out no I could tell because some of them like I'm like. This isn't a retro reference. This isn't a reference because this isn't something people talk about him yeah. This is something you only. We had your head. If you're alive at the time yeah visit like all remember like nobody says remember this yeah but it's in your head yes so it'll be there all the time all the stuff that that most people would hate just yeah in my brain well that's fantastic. I feel like we could do a whole `nother show on Comedians and movies and whatnot and at some point we will <hes> but I appreciate you making the time in of course this has been great <hes> pay now or you're gonNA. We'll do like probably cash APP. What about cash type thing 'cause I'm well? I'm not like super liquid now okay but I have like <hes>. Take them that monitor. That's scrutiny news now but I have. I have a lot in <hes> like van Mo- do bitcoin actually I do then. We're okay because a lot bitcoin. We'll be. Thank you very much man. 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Tonight is going to be evolves tenth anniversary show and is going to be a fight for the fall in the W show that was on bleacher report live the fight for the phone was another free show much like fighter fest was and it is the last eight e w show before the big all out pay per view so I guess we can start with with that show. I don't know how many people watched it or any numbers like that but we really don't do that stuff on this show. You know I think with each show a W is definitely starring to establish their brand more and more and I think that's a really good thing you know. I think it's GonNa be a nice way to have at least a little bit of Foundation Asian going into the T._N._t.. T._V. Show there's a little bit of company history when the show starts I do. I am still a little bit confused as to why there aren't more elements on the show you know I do feel like for for instance. The main event great match codeine Dustin versus <hes> the young box and there were these allusions to trash talking that had been going down on being the elite. I don't understand why I like the there is kind of a references to being the elite. I liked it. There's a coordination that the storylines happening. I'm being the elite crossover to the goings on a W. I think that makes sense and in keeps everything a little bit cohesive but as somebody that maybe doesn't watch being the elite every single week which I think are going to be a lot of people especially when you're on TV. I don't know why there aren't video packages kind of showing like before for a lot of these matches. I think we should have some video packages showing what's happened on Youtube that we may have missed what happened at fighter fest. I'm sure there are people there were watching on Saturday. That didn't watch fighter fest. I mean and vice versa but you can't show packages ages of shows that happened in the future you can show packages shows that happened in the past. You know I think it would just how tell the stories and help familiarize even even as big as devillier nothing was. I'm sure that what the Internet buzz that he w has around it that there were people watching fight for the fallen and it was the first time they'd ever seen a w so I do think that Awa is is like I said they're building the brand and they're establishing pushing what it is. I think so far every show is a home run when it comes to matches when it comes to actual wrestling matches. You can't really complain about A._W._S.. Shows you're gonNA see great matches. I mean look at the talent that they've got. They know what they're doing. I just <hes> breaks down to the storytelling you know is is explained to me kind of what's going on like let's see some footage if you're going to do media scrums after every show which I think is a good idea idea. They pop up on Youtube. You have an A._W._S.. Camera back there. Let's see footage from the media scrums on on every pay per view. Let's see footage from being the elite. Let's footage from the last show. Let's really start to AH show. What we're building showed US show you know? I think that I think Canio Megan Sima was probably the best match on six-man tag was good. You know everything was really really solid on on this show. I think it was cool that they had they were outside and had that amphitheater. Look going. You know something different <hes> yeah. I mean it's tough. It's not a show that you can really complain about. It was a good show so I just wish number. One stories retold number two. You felt like the accelerator was being pumped on as you pushed into all out you know I understand that these shows are really more live events and really more warm-up shows but you know I think if you had treated boat this and fighter fest a little more like a big pay per view then people would just get more and more excited about these shows you no so yeah. That's what I think <hes> of course <hes> librarians were still part of the buying and there was a youtube clip of <hes> the young bucks acknowledging how they're getting booed booed but how they're trending and it Kinda goes back to the conversation of go away heat versus real heat. You know I kind of air on the side of real heat Israel heat. If you're getting booed then it works. You're a good bad guy except ebb. The librarians are a little weird out of place when your brain in your promotion around the the sports in the athletic element of it and kind of getting away from that more character based but we'll see we'll see I mean I think that we also to be a little bit patient and and seeing how things pan out <hes> I and you know and I still think that there are new promotion that needs to get their production work down. Pat You know one thing that you can see from watching both evolve and from watching a w is that you you should be able to take some time out and really compliment W._W._e.. On their post production work on on on on all the production elements and and how how smooth there live shows work of course they've had years and years of experience and they put on so many shows every single week that you know it's second nature to the people doing it but if you look at at fight for the fallen annual look at evolve one thing you can say is that nobody is even close to W._W._e.. And production value and A._W._S. is putting money into that. They're still not close and evolve is even less close but you know evolve isn't really in the conversation to to be close. Evolve as an independent organization. It's a small group. They're not they're not proclaiming themselves. As a national promotion. One thought was interesting about evolve on Saturday first of all also a really really great show. I think my favorite match on evolve was probably drew. Gulag versus Matt Riddle just to be able to see drew dulack show the world and show a W._W._e.. Network audience who might not have known before what he's truly capable of and for the catch point group off to be shown the way they were shown. I thought that was super valuable. That was really really good. I was surprised and I think ultimately pleasantly surprised at how little the W._W._e.. Had to do with producing that show that it was very a very clear that W._w._e.. was really just a distributor that it was it was it was an evolve produce show called as he Paul Heyman do his cameo at the C._W.. Arena that was really cool but it looked like it was a show that that evolved had produced and I actually think that for me as a fan of the indies that added to it you know if I watched an evolved show and it was super polished and had a W._w._e.. Sheen to it. I'd go you know it's cool that these guys is our on T._v.. But this isn't really evolved this is a W._w._e.. Show that evolved guys Ron you know I think that the Evolve Championship Match Austin Theory J._D.. Drake I think that that was really a spotlight and that was I think we're that the fact that this is the first place that we saw Austin theory on the W._w._e.. Network is going to be a trivia question. You know I think Austin theory much sooner than later will be on the W._W._e.. Roster and is GonNa make a big impact you know I couldn't believe when they said he's like twenty. One years older ever young he is. He's super young which I didn't even know and it's just all upside with him. He's he's he was amazing to see and I can't wait to watch him develop in W._W._e.. Where you know I'm sure he's not only going but he's GonNa? He's GonNa do extremely extremely well so yeah. I mean you know. I don't think that you would compare evolve <unk> at eight W W positioning themselves is a national if not international wrestling promotion with big money behind him and evolve is what evolve is is an independent group that the W._W._e.. Sees potential in in terms of <hes> helping find the next great talent you know W._w._e.. Marked evolve publicly as these spot where the best of the best independent wrestling takes place but it's still independent wrestling. I think it's a win for her for the industry when you see a truly independent wrestling show on the W._W._e.. Network this is something that's been talked about for a long time whether you know a tears will eventually be introduced whether other promotions catalogs will be produced. I will be shown W._W._e.. has a ton of content on that network from <hes> promotions that are no longer active. They just added a whole bunch of C._W.. Shows I'm still waiting for born to be wired to be added. I don't know if it ever will be main invented by seibu versus Terry Funk in the barbed wire match but the minute born to be wired is added to that network please. Somebody sent me a tweet or something because I can't wait but you know they've all the old territory stuff of course W._C._W.. Everything from A._B._c. w you <hes> but to see an active promotion be represented on the W._w._e.. Network is really you're really seeing the W._W._e.. Take shape as being what I believe it's wanted to be and that is the face of pro wrestling and that's that I think is the one of the bigger things that he w presents is that it is separating itself and saying W._W._e.. Does not represent pro wrestling and at the moment obviously they're right because they're going to be on T._v.. But ultimately we'll see where it lands story number four is extreme roles extreme rules went down on Sunday. I thought I thought extreme roles was actually the best show of the of the weekend and I might be biased but I thought extreme rules was a very very good pay per view. I thought it was certainly better than than the last pay per view yeah I thought it was. I thought it was quite good. I thought the brock listener cash in was well done. I thought there were a lot of surprises Nakimora winning the Intercontinental Title A._J.. A._J. Styles when in the United States title New Day winning the tag titles I thought was a surprise seeing Daniel Bryan. Get pinned like that. You know I thought that a couple of things so as far as the cashing goes I heard some people saying saying that was some will thinking that it was going to go different way first of all. I'm really glad the brock listener won the Universal Championship and I'll tell you why it has nothing to do with Seth rollins. It has everything to do with the integrity equity of not only brock but the money in the brain bank briefcase. You know I think recently there have been a lot of failed cash in attempts in son of some of them get wonky. I think that everything that happened. Braun strowman and the cash in AH BRONX ROMANS RUN as as the monster in the bank did not do any favors for the money in the bank briefcase if you're GONNA give that briefcase to somebody as big as brock listener and by big I mean not only in stature but in importance for for lack of a better term <hes> you gotTa have him win. It and I love that this time even Paul Heyman said it was going to happen. He also said that he could be lying so it was almost like those frustrating strating first few weeks when they kept teasing that the money in the bank briefcase was going to get cashed in and then it didn't those first couple of weeks it made it worthwhile there was a payoff. I think that we were all getting a little bit frustrated rated because we're used to them the felt like they were sort of. Just teasing that the money in the bank briefcase was going to be cashed in for ratings and then it wouldn't happen but in reality long-term what they effectively did was they created raided a scenario whereas an audience we were going yet. Paul Heyman said he might be lying and he's lied before the and he's lied before part is super important because we've seen the money in the bank briefcase be promised and we've seen it not surface so you know I I liked that that it was it was teased and there was doubt over it <hes> and the fact that he cashed in. I think is a good thing. We're going to talk about summer. Slam later on so we go too far off the range so I'm glad you know some people. A lot of people were saying that I'm surprised Becky Lynn low blow listener interfere something like that which I'm glad she didn't because I wouldn't have wanted a and I wouldn't have wanted set to beat brock again again in a wonky whe you know I wouldn't you already hit broccoli a low blow wrestlemainia. It wasn't the closing move but he hit him with a low blow and I'm so tired of good guys winning. The title with a low blow you know Saddam is hitting people steel chairs bears. It's like you gotta be able to against all odds still fight with honor. If you're a good guy champion and I think having becky interfere on sess behalf and having Seth beat Braga Eisner that way would have been a little bit too much so I'm glad that happened. Some people were even saying the Becky should've turned on south like so stupid. Please stop suggesting that because Becky's not turning heel becky is is the top good guy. I women's wrestler in the company. Okay like W._W._e.. Went for W._W._e.. I believe before last year summer slim was clearly angling to have Charlotte. Be The top good a guy in the women's division and Have Charlotte Ronda Rousey match happen at Wrestlemainia the W._W._e.. Listened to the audience and they changed plans and they went so far as to not only have becky Lynch who who was turned on Charlotte when when Becky turned on Charlotte last year summer slam that was not a Machiavellian move that was not some move where they were like okay. We're GONNA Turner. He'll but we know the fans are going achier for her so in reality no they turn in my opinion they turn Becky Lynch. He'll and the fans reacted out of the fans reacted and the W._W._e.. Reacted to how the fans reacted. It was exactly what we as an audience have been asking W._W._e.. To do for years at this point they did it with Becky Lynch not only did they turn her into a good guy and acknowledged are cheers not only did they put her in the main event but they put their person who they decided we're going to be the good guy and they made are bad guy. I mean listen to Charlotte up to smack down this week. She still a bad guy so the idea that they would turn becky now is like what are you want. What do you want to for W._W._e.? Listen to us make becky the top good guy in the company only to turn her again and then who's going to be the top good guy in the company. Who is the top good guy in the company of not Becky Lynch specifically in the Women's division but you could make the argument that Becky Lynch's the top good guy in the company in general maybe behind Roman? Maybe not there's a reason why sat around wearing a shirt did says the man's is man. It's very progressive but if becky were deterrent he'll who you replacing her with. You'RE GONNA make Charlotte a good guy trying to make Bailey the top good you've already tried right that stuff and I'm not taking anything away from Bailey but clearly there was an organic bill to Becky so to ask the becky turned heel. I think is ridiculous. It makes no sense you know A._J.. Styles win in the United States Championship. I think it was a surprise. I think it was cool. I do hope that ricochet gets his revenge but I like the club being together. I think and not really the reason I like the club. Being together is number one A._J.. was getting tired is a good guy and number two and I don't mean physically tired. I mean I was getting tired of him and number two you know getting to see Galveston Anderson in a good spot again. Just brings a smile to my face. I wanted to see see Daniel Bryan and Rohan hold onto the tag team championships for a little bit longer but clearly there is something else in mind for Daniel Bryan which I am very optimistic about and you know the visual of seeing the new day dripping with Gold is nothing that I'm here to complain about <hes> whatsoever ever new day always been good is taking champions and as far as the intercontinental title goes because that was the other point of contention that a lot of people had of course it was decided during the kickoff show is a ten minute match. It was Nakimora Mora versus thin Baylor and people were annoyed that it was a short as it wasn't people were annoyed that it was on the kickoff show. I don't think that that's as much an issue it. It's okay if it's an issue. Don't get me wrong because I'd love to see those guys go in the main event for sixty minutes. I'd love for that to be an iron match. I was smiling. You should see me. I was at the kickoff show desk and when by the way when the camera goes back to us at the kickoff show desk and I am smiling ear to ear at Nakimora hackamore winning the Intercontinental Championship that is not a put on whatsoever. I was so excited and shocked to see Nakimora win that Title I was pumped for it but realistically you gotTa put another match on the kickoff show right and that match being on the kickoff show was not for me so much an issue with this show as it was with the last several months right at least the last month or two Nakimora an fim ballard both have been doing nothing really since one the Intercontinental Championship. What has he done on smackdown? Nothing what is not a more have been doing nothing. They had one match on smackdown. It was a great match. Nakimora won the non title match. It's GonNa lead to people wanting to see that match. I didn't even think what's going to happen at the pay per view at all until I guess they announced it day of but it's not shocking did that match would be on the kickoff. Show it is shocking to that match would be on the kickoff show in the sense that it is a main event anywhere in the country in the sense that if you if that match happened at the Tokyo Dome at a certain period of time it would be the main event but now you got rumors of Fin Ballard taking taking time off. You haven't been using him Ballard Nakimora on TV. It's not a main event match because of the stories that have been told and W._W._e.. And I'm not saying that's positive or negative I'm just saying that is not a criticism of the show extreme extreme rules as much as it is a criticism of the long-term use of imbalance in Nakimora because based on the long-term use of them Valerie Nakimora those two being on the kickoff show made sense unfortunately like I said Ah if you'd main event of that show with a six iron may match between the two of them with the intercontinental title on the Line I'm buying the pay per view nine times nine times and I only have four T._V.'s three. T._V.'s two T._V.'s in an IPAD all right. I watched on my phone but regardless I only have so many screens and I'm buying it as many times as you can. Buy It. I'm so on board with that but realistically it made sense so that was extreme rules <hes>. I think trying to make sure that I didn't forget any other observations that I had about that. Show <hes> as I was watching <hes> yeah <hes> I don't think show but I thought thought it was. I thought it was a decent show and you know I'm really believing bearing corporate as a main event Bagai half to tell you I'm believing Barron. Corbin is a main event or I'm hooked Hook Line and sinker and one of the stipulations was was that if Barron Corbin and Lacy Evans lose they will not get another shot at Seth rollins and Becky Lynch but I think that gets thrown out the window at least for Barron Corbin Sake because seth rollins lost to break listener right after the match so Barry Corbin can definitely had a shot at brock listener governor and I think if seth rollins to beat brock listener at Summer Slam. I'm sure that you could technically say sense. This is a new title rain for Seth Rollins. That rule doesn't count so much anymore yeah. I'm pretty sure that that's out the window. Lacy Evans is still <hes> stuck in the mud but I think Barron Corbin is good to go story number three this week here on not sam wrestling and on the state of wrestling is the build up to summer slim summer slim two thousand nineteen is happening and after this week on television <hes> we already have several matches big title matches that have been announced for for summer slim. We've got the universal title match. You've got both women's title matches announced and we have a pretty good idea of what I believe W._W._e.. Championship match is going to be the gas right so the the women's title matches and the women's dimensions a really interesting because it's odd summer Amer slam is one of the big five technically one of the big four I would argue the behind wrestlemanias summers claims the biggest show of the year unless there's an a show that's equivalent to or greater than summer slim. I would say summer slams. The second biggest show the year N- Italia is getting the shot at the raw women's Championship and Ember Moon is getting the shot at the smackdown women's championship. I think clearly the W._W._e.. Wants to use summer slam to kind of <hes> build up there women's division and try to let some of these superstars that haven't been shining shine. You know I just last week did commentary for an Italian match on main event and a few weeks before that when I did main event it was an Italian Alya matches well then actually it was the same it was Italian for stamina but to now seen Italian be off of main event and in the summer slim championship match. I guess it goes to the versatility of Natalia as a performer. You know I I do think that they'll be more to both of these women's stories you know I think that Natalia always comes through with a good story. I'm hoping that something blossoms between Bailey number moon. I don't so much want just friendly competition. I wouldn't be surprised if we see a return of Sasha banks either at the pay per view or right before or something like that she gets involved so this isn't just Amber Moon Bailey the two best friends that anybody can have wrestling calling each other for the smackdown women's championship and then the universal championship match is brock listener versus Seth rollins no huge shock there. I'm hoping for brock listener to retain the thing you know I'd like to see brock listener entertainment <hes> and hold onto it. I I think that he's just such a great spoiler such a great bummer when he wins but at the same time you'd imagine he's going to play a big part in October. Whether it's on smackdown or whether it's on raw you know that's I would've thought that brock listener would be on smackdown to tell you the truth just to just a really put that spotlight on the new shows on Fox universal title is a raw property so who knows where that leads you know maybe actually has to lose it by October so you can show up and challenge Kofi Kingston Com October but I'd still like to see him leave smackdown with the Universal Championship and as far as the W._w._e.. Championship goes I would assume and hope that Randy Orton is getting the shot you know I think that you have an opportunity to tell great story between Kofi Kingston and Randy Orton. I think the idea that you can you can play on their history as much as you can. <hes> hasn't really been done. It's been alluded to a little bit but I think you can tell a real grady story like a real story a story that feels real between Randy Orton and Calvi Kingston like let's get into the fact that covy Kingston was supposed to be in this position along timing. Let's get into the stupid stupid stupid Randy Orton thing when Kofi Kingston was supposed was originally poking his head into the main event seen you know let's get into all of it with Kim to y that storyline didn't happen and let's make it real. Let's talk about was randy. Orton holding Kofi Back Back did Randy Orton Kofi wasn't ready and covy resent some for it does rain you still think cove. He's not ready and resents Kofi for you know. I think there's a lot of story to be told there and I'm interested to see how a fleshes out you know as I look at this and I okay those are your four major titles sets versus. Brock is a big match. I mean they're you know but you got set versus brock which is a rematch from wrestlemainia theoretically Kofi versus Randy Becky Iverson Italia Bailey versus ember. I think you're still missing a big match at summer slim. I think you're GonNa see an undertaker match at summer slim. I think we may see a drew McIntyre undertaker match summer slim. I think Summer Slam it's in Toronto. It's the second biggest show of the year I I think at least one more really big match is going to be added to this show and probably as soon as next week because there's not that many weeks before summer slim. Let's get into story number two. which is this week smackdown highs and lows for ashore? I think Kevin Owens has been doing well. You know I think the Kevin Jones has been doing good enough that we really have never had an explanation as to why the change of heart he just kind of dove in and we believe it. I think they're doing a good job. Abbas having the voice of the Fan be part of that show in the sense that they're talking about <hes> you know Shane McMahon Getty's much T._v. time as as he gets you know I think that all things can be forgiven when they're acknowledged and I loved that that's being acknowledged. <hes> you know. I think that the townhall segment could have felt a little bit more real. You know I like that live. Morgan got her shot to shine. I liked the buddy. Murphy got his shot to shine and all that stuff I just I wish that they felt a little less scripted Krypton. I like the angle the Buddy Murphy is sucking up to the boss. I like what live Morgan is doing. I'm interested to see our character evolves. You know she jumped on. She grabbed dumb corey graves his headset off his head and said that when she comes back she's going to be the real live Morgan which I would assume means no more pink hair nowhere blue tongue. Maybe she won't be the juvenile delinquent of the riot squad that she wants was. Although I really like fun sort sort of ridiculous riotous live Morgan so I don't know I don't know what will happen. There had Kevin owns beat Dolf Ziegler. It's really I mean the Kevin. Owens is banned from the building building but here he is now he's banned but he is. He's got a match thing like you gotTa. Stop Banning Kevin owned from the building if he's going to be on the show we've seen it now but yeah I think that smackdown is becoming a really interesting show because it just so many people are getting built up on smackdown and I think it's it's it's pretty unpredictable right now. In terms of WHO's GonNa do white you know and it doesn't feel like maybe a Staccato as it has like you can't it's it's not going to dad died the dot you can't exactly like look at your clock and figure out where things are going. You know I hope that the yeah I think that for the Kofi title you would do a Randy Orton Elias Samoa Joe. Oh maybe a triple threat next week with the winner getting the title shot something like that. I think that we should get to Ryan Promo next week. You know we've seen I feel like recently. We've we've seen the like feels brock listener and the briefcase when Daniel Bryan comes out and then he doesn't talk and then he leaves he's got an we're GonNa hear his announcement and then we don't hear his announcement like you know teasing and then not delivering a little bit goes along way with that so hopefully next week we do get to hear the announcement. 'cause I am very interested in where this thing is going very very interested but smackdown has left me very interested and let's move onto the story. I'm deeming story number. One Ray why it's back Bray Ray Wyatt is back you know I think some of us were worried because he firefly funhouse vignettes had slowed down and we had not seen Bray Wyatt in the ring however he showed up on raw this week I think to universally positive reviews he showed up as the fiend wearing the mass now see that's smart if in Ballard figured out how to wear masks instead of having to paint his whole body every single time he was the demon. We've probably the demon a lot more often but bray Wyatt showed up you know I love the spotlight's in the ring going crazy. The mass looked great. The dreadlocks look great. I thought that everything was very very positive about the bray white return and I don't know if I if indeed in Ballard taking time off. which is the rumor that I read on the Internet today before I started recording this podcast? I hope he makes it to summer slam because I think that he'd be perfect. If he's leaving anyway for a period of time he'd be perfect at Bray. Y beat on his way out. You know a lot that people have been saying like oh bride should fight Alastair Black Bray wired should fight this first bray why that person Bray white needs to fight somebody who is definitely going to be Brian needs to fight somebody. That's a credible name but at the end of the day it's just an exhibition for Bray Wyatt and this new character her so we can really start to establish the fien needs victories so you know putting him with allistair black would be stupid because both of those characters need victories right now putting him with him ballard imbalance going away anyway. I think it'd be very smart because Fin Ballard has a China credibility and to have kind of dominate him as a very nice spot for bray white to be in. I really hope that they bring Bray Wyatt back to where he was at Royal Rumble. It was the one in Philly the Roman reigns one one. I WanNa say Twenty Sixteen was the twenty fifteen it could have been twenty fifteen. Actually whatever it was twenty fifteen or twenty sixteen it was in the Wells Fargo Center and it was this show that Roman reigns. Maybe it wasn't maybe it was the year before he was twenty fifteen. Whatever the peak of Bray Wyatt's career that character was his match against Daniel Bryan at the royal rumble? Look it up either driver twenty fifteen and I wanna say you can tweet me. I WanNa say Twenty fifteen. I didn't know I was GonNa talk about it today. He beat Daniel Bryan at the royal rumble that year and it was great any any felt every bit like a not only a main event guy but a guy who would win main events that was when it was like Bray Wyatt is here. That was the peak of Bray Wyatt for me. I would like to see you get back there. I would like to see Bray Wyatt. Be a guy who you this should be afraid of. The only reason you should be afraid of a guy is if he beats. You Not only scary but he beats you. I watched the new annabel movie Annabel homecoming. I love the whole conjuring universe. I've seen all all the movies in the conjuring universe and I actually think I've seen them all in theaters and I own them all to. I why I'm a horror movie Guy and I love the whole conjuring series here was my problem with Annabel. Homecoming is that it no point in my opinion. Did you feel like the characters were in mortal danger. I know point felt like the spirits that were chasing the characters had the ability to kill the characters and if you're running away from something scary but then you realize does it can't really get you eventually you stop running and eventually when they try to scare you. It starts to come across his silly if bray why can't beat you but he's trying to intimidate you would masks it's silly if gray white can't beat you but he's coming out and he's doing the right thing with the lantern and he's using like gibberish and Mumbo jumbo but he loses all the time. It's silly. It's not scary you know it. It's like you kind of what he talking like that for. You can't do anything but bride why does the fiend and he looks terrifying and he wins and plus now he's all jacked and he wins because he doing the muscleman dance and he beats everybody will now. You've got a guy that you should be afraid of so hopefully that's the direction they were going in with Bray white guys. I appreciate you being a part of this. Show as I always do. Don't forget to check us out on Patriot patriotic dot com slash not Sam Wrestling Watch main event from last week if you haven't already and then when you're done with that check cool lucy of this week's main event episodes up. I'm doing commentary on both and I would really love. I would really love to hear your feedback on the commentary that I'm doing on main event. Let me know what you think at not Sam on twitter. I will see you next week.