Special Episode: Mark Hyman on Revolution Health Radio with Chris Kresser - Fixing Our Broken Food System
Hi everyone this is k. A. Perot at one of the producers of the Doctors Pharmacy podcast. Dr Hyman was recently interviewed by his friend. Chris Kreider and like always these two had a great conversation so we wanted to share it with you. They talk about chronic disease food system and so much more. Hope you enjoy it. Hey everybody Chris Kreider here. Welcome to another episode of Revolution Health Radio this week. I'm really excited to welcome Mike. Good friend and colleague Dr Mark Hyman as a guest. Dr Hammonds a practicing family physician. An internationally recognized leader Speaker. Educator Advocate in the field of functional medicine. He's the founder and director of the Ultra Wellness Center the head of strategy and Innovation of the Cleveland Clinic Center for Functional Medicine a twelve time New York Times bestselling author and board President for Clinical Affairs the Institute for Functional Medicine. He's the host of one of the leading health. Podcasts that doctors pharmacy and he's a regular contributor to several television shows and networks including CBS morning. Today Good Morning America the view and CNN. He's also an adviser and Guest Co host on the Dr Oz. Show if you've been following functional medicine for any length of time. I'm sure you know about Dr Mark. Hyman he is really one of the modern pioneers of this movement. And perhaps more responsible for advancing functional medicine As a concept and as a practice in any other person in the world. Today we're GONNA be talking about his new book food fix which I believe is one of the most important books that's been written in the century that may seem a little hyperbolic. But I think you'll agree with me By the end of this podcast food fix really focuses on the systemic problems in our food system and how they contribute to chronic disease epidemic. And I've often said before that health is not just an individual endeavor. We really have to address the systemic problems that contribute to ill health. And that's really what Mark's new book food fixes about so without further ado let's dive in mark and my friend such a pleasure to have you back on the show. Welcome thanks so much for having Me Grist. That is an important subject. We gotta talk about this but we both care so much about and I'm so excited to share this with you and your your community. Yes as I said in the INTRO. I think this is possibly one of the most important books that has been written and will be written in this century and that may sound hyperbolic for some people but given the scale of the challenge. We're and I know you saw this. This study published last week marks predicting now that one and two Americans will be obese by the year. Twenty thirty and one in four will be severely obese which is a whole new category. We've had to create So this is really like an existential threat that we're facing on the same level of climate change and other things that seriously threatened the future of humanity. And as you and I both talked about before. Health is not just an individual choice or an individual endeavor. It's really a a society wide effort we need to mate so so. Let's talk a little bit more about that. I know you mentioned in the book. That diet is now the number one cause of death in the world so maybe we could start there. Yeah well thanks Chris. I think that what you said was really important. Which is it's it's about Z's by you mentioned on the scale things like climate change. But what really? It was clear to me after working on this walking practicing medicine Everything's connected that. Our food system as a whole is probably the biggest driver of most of our Global. Crises obviously chronic disease. We're getting to that economic burden of it. We talked about you. Know How in the book To manicured when when federal dollars will be for Medicare within five years? Nothing crazy and it's getting worse It's the number one driver. Climate change environmental degradation loss of our soil. Our water resources adversity. It's the biggest driver. Social injustice is a huge contributor poverty and violence mental health issues not to mention his performance security so this is really one issue that if we pull the thread we talk naked and the good news is by working on fixing the food system. We can solve all these problems. That's really critical point. I don't think many people really consider that when they're making choices about food that it's it's not just a question of nutrition. I mean we. Of course everyone's familiar with all the debates about what diet is best low carb low fat plant-based Paleo Egan Cetera But we often don't think of the fact that our food choices are also political social economic and environmental acts. You know it's it's not just about what we eat from nutritional perspective every time we put something in your mouth were essentially making a vote on all of these global issues that we're facing it's so true and I think I think that is both a caring dot powering hot because we actually understand the impact of our choices and our behaviors and we also understand the linkages to what's going on our policies than it's very empowering thought I can be part of the solution and also realized that it has to happen on a bigger scale and I think so. The bulk really lays out not just sokol food apocalypse which you could easily been call. It's called food six maps out the solutions for citizens businesses and policymakers to fix the problem. And it's going to require a significant level awareness. People really understand these problems and linkages is I. Don't think most policymakers do I ever example. Spent two hours on a boat this summer with a united senator and use a very hope and interesting guy and huge unaware of these unaware of these connections and now sort of struck by out. Wait a minute the guys who are making our Ossete are not aware that these are the issues that we have to face. They're all dealing with them in silos. Safavid SORTA like functional medicine for the Food System as opposed to all these separate different issues. One issue you get to the root cause you can really solve them right. Yeah that's why I'm so excited about this book because I think a lot of people aren't aware it's just not on their radar. It's not something they're thinking about. And so this book and then the campaign that's associated with it which I want to talk about a little later. I think is really going to help. bring this forward in the into people's awareness and make it as big of an issue in terms of the public consciousness as it really deserves to be a needs to be. If we're going to address these challenges we're facing. I mean let's talk a little bit about the food system and Diet and their contribution to this epidemic of obesity and chronic disease. That is now literally crippling our. You know our healthcare system or are sick care system depending on what you want to call it not just here in the US but now worldwide and is going to lead to fifty trillion dollars of expenditure to treat chronic disease just in in the next twenty years and possibly bring down governments and economies all around the world so it starts with food. It's completely true and I think if we look at some of the new data using our smoking or whatever turns out that according to the global burden of disease study a hundred ninety five countries that lack of good foods and too much bad foods kills over eleven million people. I think. That's an underestimate. Actually start to look at the other. Chronic diseases that are causing the die in the add them all up and you see ause by food like diabetes and heart disease and other things is probably upward a forty or fifty million people in year. Three quarters of all desolate planet are contributed to her. 'cause by our food our ultra processed food in the author food or eating is sixty percent of our allies corn wheat and soy turning all kinds of factory-made science projects and every ten percent of your diet the comes from processed food. Your risk and debt is up by fourteen percent and decide effective. That is huge economic. You mentioned fifty trillion. If not how you slice and dice ID According to macroeconomic analysis the the cost to our society in both direct indirect cost is going to be ninety five trillion dollars over the next thirty years. Disappointing perspective that's annual amount. That's ninety one percent of the total tax by the US government so it's really much more than GDP the sixth largest economies of the world. And yes and also. It's probably more. That amount is more than the total economy in the world. You had. It'd be over thirty five years but I you know just things like Medicare Trust. Fund is going to run out of money in five years by twenty twenty. Five forty percent are mandatory. Federal spending will be for Medicare which means there's like half money left everything else and it's not sustainable and we know that the food over eating is so nutrient depleted that it is so inflammatory so toxic microbiome so toxic to our brain chemistry. I sell inflammatory. That it's driving all these other issues which isn't just obesity diabetes heart disease. It's affecting our kids academic performance. You know we're thirty first in the world in math and reading and our kids are struggling with. Add and behavior issues on the data on a striking do not violence violence is connected to food but in violent prisoners in prison giving them a healthy diet reduced violent crime by fifty. Six percent added a multivitamin reduce it by eighty percent and same thing with kids in juvenile detention centers behaviors reduced by ninety one percent of Restraints by seventy five percent oppositional behavior dramatically lower suicide one hundred percent drop in suicide and these kids in this one. Study thousand kids were they swap not healthy for the bad food of these centers huge impact on our electoral capital on emotional capitals on the divisiveness nursing society. I mean we think. Why is our society so divided? Why are we having so much conflict in politics even nutrition? Diet Wars Thinks Camper total distraction from what we really need to be focused on totally and and part of the problem. I'm David permettre my podcast talking about the effects of inflammation on the brain in decoupling the limbic system from the frontal what that means is you have a fighter flight reptile brain your Lizard Brain which is the all brains and not great at making good decisions except saving your life and your lobe. Which is the adults in the room? So if you have an emotional reaction response and you get activated. You can't really control which is why there's so much Device behavior wire decisions or soda or and I. It was sort of a strengthening another striking fact from David modernising son wrote this book brainwash about how our food is driving behavioral issues and emotional conflict stuck in our limbic system in the amid. Love running the show rather than our frontal cortex Dacca Yeah. Let's talk a little more about kids because this is something. We're both passionate about How the food industry preys on children specifically you know. It's it it preys on everybody but it. The the effects are especially insidious with kids. So you know. Let's talk a little bit about those tactics and how we can address that Starting with young kids in schools and cafeterias in the food that they're served and so huge You know obviously kids are sicker and battering. Remember those at one overweight kid in your class growing up. One kid was at behavioral and she now wanted kids have G. and forty percents of overweight and obesity mason triple since the nineteen seventies at one and three kids overweight. Or I mean that's pretty striking and he wanted for teenagers as tech diabetes or prediabetes which is really crazy. Ain't never saw that when I was growing up. And you see the fast infiltrating schools in dramatic ways one. Not You know what's going on is like Yuki percent of schools. They have fast food serve in the cafeteria like McDonald's Monday Taco Bell Tuesday Wendy's Wednesday and these kids get to eat There's incredible abundance of processed foods and then marketing. These kids from schools at all the advertising goes in from soda companies the big food companies. That is driving their behaviors on their choices. I mean they now you know Coca Cola. Ads in the in the locker rooms in the toilet stalls in the bathrooms. So there's a lot of good things that happened for example trying to solve that with the healthy hunger. Free Kids Act that Michelle Obama champion and she tried to mandate one hundred thousand. Public Schools provide healthier foods and improve the nutrition standards. But it didn't really go far enough right used. You still begin all kinds of junk in there now. Unfortunately the the the trump administration is rolled back a lot of those guidelines in the kids. Aren't eating food throwing it out. I mean they were. They were one hundred eleven food companies. Trade GROUPS INSPIRATIONS. At lobbied on this bill and it was putting into play as a group called the School Nutrition Association with. Sounds Really Nice you want all. The groups have those kinds of misleading names. Right it's like an industry funded a lobby group at Kenley dollar budget comes from big food. Companies like Coke Craft Domino's pizza and they watered down the guidelines pizzas eventually ball. French fries. Intervention Ball. I got your fresh. It's terrible kids are really suffering in sex nailing their weight and you're wondering help it also their cognitive function and their behavior like you said before now I now the things that are okay under the guidelines pepperoni pizza chicken nuggets funnel cakes chocolate muffins. She was so slush beverages. Those are all approved under the crank is. We've doesn't make any sense to. You are really trying to shoot this friend of mine. Jill Sean. I read the Book Gladys Nickelbein. My Weight Cafe where she found out how to refurbish Kitchens in schools at a low cost only had be friars of microwaves. She hired top chefs in Boston. Boston years in schools crew delicious foods that were within the school nutrition guidelines and even more probably within the school nutrition budget. Yeah which means that. They could provide the same food. No extra costs. I mean better food and not your costs and these kids are performing better in school behaviors. Better they're having issues pretty. It's pretty amazing that sounds great yet. It grassroots solutions like this thing can go such a long way because they prove out the model and then not model can be scaled up And exported not just here in the US but at elsewhere. Yeah and and and they're not the only ones. There's you know there's really great rupe center trying to solve this in. Schools are conscious unconscious. Which is one of them. And there's really great groups that are working on this so I feel like there's so much maybe not the other. The other issue is food marketing and this is really a problem because the is it used to be You know just in in the obvious places right on. Tv In print and so forth a now stealth marketing and the the student medicine news report even before the Internet saying how bad it was and now it's ten times worse and in their their hijacking kids amid brains are using all kinds of emotional targeting. And they're really driving huge amounts of marketing towards towards these kids. I mean doesn't sixteen fifty six biggest companies place five hundred and nine million banner ads impressions on Cartoon It. Learn Nick. Nick Dot Com. They placed three point four billion ads on facebook. And you and the WHOL is like Hey. This is not okay. They're using powerful digital marketing tactics. doesn't even come up as advertising. It said on adver games. That are fun games. They give Free Audit Drivers. Mcdonald's and it's It's easier looking at kids. Brains imaging cynic in action. See what lights up their their pleasure center in their brain brain hacking. Yeah I mean it's scary. I mean it's not just like Oh we don't really know we're doing we just is. I'm not there. They know it intentionally manipulative. Yep exactly we gotTA protect our kids. I mean a friend of mine said if a foreign country was doing to archies. But we'RE DOING. We would go to war absolutely without a doubt without a doubt. Let's talk a little bit about the role of regulation. This is a controversial issue. Of course people politically people. Have you know ideas about how much the state whether we're talking about actual? Us states or or federal government should get involved. Let's talk a little bit about Soda Tax as an example and the effects that has had where that's been done and then other Things that governments Both here domestically and abroad might do to intervene. And whether you even think that's a good idea. Well I think there's a whole issue. The nanny state and I think people are posted at and the government getting involved in their choices but support to remember that we do have laws that protect citizens for example. We have seen that loss. We have emissions for cars of the car manufacturer in arms and now emissions are are a thing people except we manage. Abc's we mandate vaccinations which may not like a good idea. But but we do have a efforts in our country to protect our citizens we used to prevent industry from polluting our water source and air air air that we breathe right exactly so I think there's there's really a great evidence around fiscal policy to drive change and I think there's been enough so taxes in a place where they're effective And we can sir arguing whether they're good or not but they work. This is why the food industry in American beverage. We spent thirty eight million dollars trying to defeat them in California and thank God the Michael Bloomberg and Arnold Foundation spent about twenty million of their own money to actually allow them to pass. I mean that's what it takes a billionaire saying. Hey wait a minute. We're going to fight back but when you look at the data. They really do work reduction. Soda consumption is improvement. How is reduction way and actually it actually works? And that's why they find another problem. Is that the food industry fights back so much we arrive this spot in California. There was four states that aspect where towns it passed tax in the twenty six no action and and that was because Bloomberg and Arnold Foundation however right after that the food industry signed a new tactic. This has nothing to do with With with sold anything they just created a ballot measure that would prohibit local governments from passing new taxes to pay for schools. Fire Department station. Whatever without a two-third majority would be very impossible and would cripple local governments in California. They spent seven million dollars. Muddiness ballot initiative. They couldn't care less about but they but they use it to bribe Jerry Brown who was probably the most liberal governor. We've ever had in America to pass a preemptive. Baugh that prevented any future soda. Tax cuts are junk food taxes. So if any did the last minute is pull it pull the ballot measure in if you pass this five days before election and it just went through without any any kind of like awareness until after and they're doing this in state after state after state so they're they're fighting back they're using big tobacco's a book about. Yeah so so you know. We see place like Mexico where they'd had taxes for a while they work Soft drink sales plunged while water water. Consumption increased We see the same thing and in Philadelphia where we're seeing similar taxes and Berkeley. So there's a lot of analysis of that and According to according to new Plus Medicine which research journal debt if over the course of a decade this Tax Mexico and same nineteen thousand lives prevent two hundred thousand new cases diabetes and Lower. Mexico's healthcare costs muscle billion dollars. So it works. Yeah I think I think the biggest I mean. I'm with you on this mark but I do have mixed feelings because the biggest risk with this. It's pretty clear everybody agrees that there should be a soda tax but what about a saturated fat tax? You know what about you know? Government starts making decisions which which what was actually proposed. I don't know if it ever happened in Norway But you can sometimes get you know the idea of taxes based on consensus paradigm science. Which as we know isn't always accurate in can change over time so I think overall I agree with that approach but I I am a little nervous about the direction that that could go in is true. I mean not in the book talk about Sherry put in sweeping reforms. Do you think are being really looked carefully on scientifically but have had dramatic impact and and they did a whole sweeping San things in eighteen percent tax. It put warning labels on the front of boxes. They got rid of the cartoon characters like Tony. The tiger But they're warning boxes are saturated fat saw in sugar which may not be the right approach. Right comes in dial up and down these greenest. But it's still. It's still a snap board but you're right. There is danger in it but what they didn't also is limited any marketing to kids between six and ten pm on eighty any exit. Tb Tran everywhere and found. There was a fourfold reduction. Compared to the taxes junk tuned in processed food by eliminating the advertising. The marketing is a bigger factor in bigger lever than taxes. Problem in this country is something called. The First Amendment is being used by these companies to actually argue that they have a right to do that. Yeah yeah that's an impeachment on free speech and he should be limited and I think you know I don't know if there's anything in the First Amendment that says we can't protect children. I just don't know right. Yeah we're living in a much more complex environment now than win those you know the Constitution was written and I'm not arguing that Those principles aren't still valid. But I think there's a lot of nuance now that there there wasn't that didn't necessarily exist at that point. Let's talk about the other side of this In terms of government programs they can have great benefit but they can also be problematic and contribute to the problem. One example is food stamp program. So let's let's talk a little bit about some of the issues that that is is causing for sure. While I think you know monitor the problems we have today. Come to really realize we're not the result of bad intentions right so our cultural system. Our Food Stamp Program Died they were all coming from a good intentions. And we decided we need to grow food. Calories going starchy calories all at screening to feed people. The folks on giving people adequate amounts of calories but not concerned about where those came from and it turned out that mostly Produced government supports. Were processed food calories that are essentially soy wheat and corn turn in all kinds of manner industrial food products and the Food Stamp Program serves about forty. Six million Americans wanted for kids. It's a really great support for these people who are struggling just with food insecurity so it's really helps solve food insecurity but the dark side of it is that it is driving these people to be more sick than have more chronic disease because the majority of calories purchase seventy five percent are junk and ten percent is soda. That's about seven billion a year. That's about thirty billion servings for poor every year. So there's the problem without a program is called snapper supplemental nutrition assistance. The problem is there's no nutrition in the assistant is all malnutrition and I think. There's a large effort to try to put nutrition back in the food stamp program. And I think that's where there's incentives for example for purchasing healthier food with double bucks farmers markets disincentives could be in place for food and I think there's ways to do it that are politically palatable. Challenges you know. I just had morally have a problem with the government paying for got many servings of Soda in when we know attributed Z. And coca-cola is the biggest welfare recipient in America with twenty percent of the American revenue. Coming from food stamps. Walmart is about you know. Probably Twenty percent of all food stamp dollars go to now. Maybe buying organic vegetables. I don't know but my guess is they're probably not and I think it's probably the biggest government programs it's the biggest component of farmingdale so really shouldn't be called a farm village in Gaul food bill and it's not. It's not seven hundred thirty five ninety our ten years and there's a huge fights on trying to improve the snap bill and in your book I detail house. A lot of congressmen and senators are bought and paid for by the food industry in our single. It's all about exercise. You know it's not really about not really about sugar foods and it's really about the actress ridiculous and totally contrary to what the research says. I have a personal story about this when I was Back in school and I was interning in a clinic but You know large underserved population primarily Latino and We had kids who were coming into our into the clinic. I mean this was a fifteen years ago and it was already a big problem with childhood. Obesity in that community and many of the the families were on food stamps and they were they the foods that they buy. One of the foods that You I would ask often what they were giving their kids and Often these kids were drinking like a leader of orange juice day and you know I would talk to the MOMS about it and they would say well. This is the I was told this was healthy. You Know Orange. Orange is a fruit and fruit juices healthy. It says right here. It would show me literature that they got about. You know healthy food choices. So oftentimes people are trying to do the right thing. But they're not getting the right guidance or support in choices that they're making you're right. I mean I was part of that movie set up. It went down the family in North Carolina South Carolina and they were struggling to lose weight. The father couldn't get any kidney less able to actually lose twenty five pounds. They were crying. Which finding the right thing and didn't really know how and and I went to the kitchen. They were having coup since Zero Trans Fats. On hopping or your salad. Dressings were full of refined soybean oil in high fructose corn Syrup and they thought that was a good dressing one thing after the other and they were trying to they just didn't know and I simply went through their kitchen took everything out of their coverage showed him what the ingredients were. Why the problem and they got it and I said well. Here's how you cook a simple meal from scratch using real ingredients which they never done and they were able to do game cookbook and a guy did eating well for less and they were able to lose two hundred pounds of family over a year. The son ended up going onto one hundred thirty eight pounds and go in and now as in medical school medical school that you know it's not that hard and they were leaving on food stamps disability one of the worst redundance in America and they were figuring out. He's thinking figured out like I think it's possible for all of us. Let's shift gears a little bit and talk more about the food system itself. I mean we one of the biggest issues of course we have this massively industrialized food system. Where processed refined foods comprised sixty percent of the cow Calories that Americans consume and you know one of one of the most common solutions that we often hear is that we should further industrialized food system. there was an article in the Guardian recent not too long ago by George. Mambi that really proposed lab grown food as the the solution to to our Food System Woes. What do you think about that? And if that's not the solution what what is on? I'm all for innovation. I think they're right. Text learn but actually I met with him of Aladdin's Memphis means growing lab grown meat and we were talking about the entire life cycle analysis of process. And like well you know. It's a very energy intensive process. It also uses far materials basically feed grain in other sources of Jim Amano Crops Comprom- industrial You know you can literally transform this industry by again regenerative egg crops and supporting those just like Darrel Nelson doing and now I think cal encouraging Denali Nestle until you could use renewable source of energy to fuel your farm. I mean they feel your clan. Kinda cool now food waste namen talked about but is a huge problem and in Massachusetts. They eliminated the ability of any companies. That make a ton of waste or more weeks it throw it out and farmers dairy farmers struggling to make a living and and it was really hard Sunday. Basically covers model where they build these anaerobic digesters on their farms. And they get you know three tractor trailers full of food waste every day they throw it in there and they throw some cow poop in there and it basically great electrcity fifteen hundred homes. It makes the rent the farmer one hundred grand a year since a lot because they on average farmers lose about sixteen hundred dollars a year ends food waste issue. Helps you manure problem? It's like a win win win. So there's a lot of great innovations around around things where they could frick for example power a lab meat based on that for example so. I I'm not against it by using probably solution and turns out and and isn't really exciting is is that we didn't talk about yet but the food industry as a whole and this was a shock to me is the number one cause climate change. It's also the number one solution and in the things that are driving our deforestation soil erosion factory farm animals food waste all the transport refrigeration crossing packaging of foods. When you add it all up. It's basically forty eight to fifty seven percent of our climate problem which is bigger than fossil fuel so we have to really think about a different way of farming reverse climate change and the good news is that way of farming coverage agriculture which is said William Building soil conserving water and less chemicals more diversity pollinator etc produces more food better food for the farmer building soil versing chains creating resiliency to drought floods and weather extremes and makes a farmer a lot more money in win win in creating great livelihood for people. I mean my my listeners will be familiar we just had. We'll we'll Harris From White Oak pastures. Who you probably from on the show. And he talked about you know like they. The the independent analysis by Qantas International. Found that they sequester three and a pounds of carbon per pound of beef produced whereas impossible Burger. Which is a you know. A LAB PRODUCED MEET FATE. Fake meat Is emitting three and a half pounds of carbon per pound of beef so it's it's impossible burgers certainly far less You know admits far less carbon than conventional beef which is Thirty three that comparison. But it's amazing. Regenerative Agriculture is actually net carbon sink. And is is more environmentally responsible way of of feeding people then fake me and probably last me although we we don't have an existing analysis on lab yet right. I think you know you can't see the world. It's not scalable but you know you look at all degraded land. We have in the world that needs to be We can and back the UN recently sad that we could stalk chained twenty years simply by taking to the five million hectares of degraded land around the world as spending three hundred billion dollars which is just about the military spending the entire world for sixty days that we could. We could convert two of the five million hectares of land back to Genoa bag. And that would stop by machine by twenty years that to me is staggering. I'm in my opinion. Yeah and and and give us food security because without soil healthy soil. We have no food security. We don't currently really know how to produce food without soil and none of the technological solutions that are being proposed. Do Anything to address the decline in soil quality. That is really again one of the most serious threats I think humanity is facing right now and not one. That's very well understood so that was shocking to me when I started reading about this. Un says we have sixty harvest left in the Obama Administration report on soil. They said eighty years left but we basically have running out of soil. These were turning it into dirt which can't grow food and and we are going to be screwed in its lobby a more rapid in existential threat than anything else. Even climate change is caused by machines I am. I only realize this is certainly didn't thirty. Forty percent of all the carbon in the atmosphere I'm twenty trillion tons of garment. Thirty four percent of it is from the loss of our topsoil over the last hundred years which is because of the way we farm and that to me was a shock. Because if that's true then the congress is true that we can put the carbon back in the soil using credible carbon carbon capture technology available everywhere in the world is three. It's been around for billions of years. It's called photosynthesis. Yes you know. Lately I mean is. The solution is not to eliminate farming. It's too it's too return farming to its roots really and and practice a way of farming. That as you said can restore so equality ecosystems and reduce the release of chemicals into the food system which I wanNA come back to into the environment and provide meaningful livelihood for people who are doing it. Yeah it's it's really notable to me that in the same way that you're talking about fixing the food system it doesn't just address our Diet. Nutrition quality it addresses so many of these social economic and environmental problems. Let's talk a little bit about chemicals so because we haven't touched that much on that yet we've got chemicals in our crops in in our food system we've got industrial agriculture massively You know contributing to this. We'VE GOT GENETICALLY MODIFIED PLANTS. Pesticides Toxins leaching into the ground. Contaminating offers rivers and streams entertaining the food supply. What are the impacts on this I know you did Of this and he did a lot of research on that in. How can we address? This is a lot of issues in the health. Risks of things like pesticides. Farmers Risk of Parkinson's is seventy percent higher than the ovulation You know we're seeing in custody. Sides being linked to cancer diabetes Digestive Diseases Mental Disorders. Some study seven kids this Forty one million. Iq points have been lost Exposed to pesticides these relationship. I'm not going to say. This is the most abundant chemical. That's used agriculture sentence herbicides. That are used on on so many plants and and it was. It's been banned in many countries. Here we just said he piece was saved us. Unfortunately by billion dollar losses that have been one because it's linked to cancer also causes destruction. The microbiome impossible Burger has one hundred ten times as much as required destroy. The microbiome of animal am like rats in animal studies. And so we're we're dealing with these horrible consequences on on People when you look at the Jamaica Study Hispanic Workers in Santa's valley which is aren't big cultural hub. Now fifty nine percent more likely get kimia seventy percent more likely to get stomach cancer. Sixty three percent more likely to get cervical cancer The forty percent unified pesticide new urine including pregnant and breastfeeding women. I mean it's a mess but I wanNA talk about for lines. I this was again used for me as I began to research. This you know fertilizer. How bad is at night again? What's the big deal but it turns out that the fertilizer is produced. It's it's a massive industry and is produced using a very energy in cancer process and number one users of natural gas and fracking are the fertilizer companies and fracking wells produce thirty percent more methane than conventional wells which is adding more to climate change. Then when you put it on the soil it turns nitrous oxide which is three hundred times more. Potent greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide and then it destroys a life in the soil so microbiology which is required to extract nutrients. It's required doing all these wonderful things. Does it kills it along with herbicides pesticides and then the run off of the fertilizer into our waterways rivers lakes streams and oceans eligib- loom sucks on the Out of the water ends up causing mass dead zones for example in Mexico is one of the Sizing Jersey which kills two hundred twelve thousand metric tons of fish. I mean who's paying from bat right and then there's four hundred these around the world. This is a Europe which half a billion people depend on for food. So how do we even start to think about that? And the goodness agenda agriculture. You don't need for migrant. Have ANIMALS MAKING FERTILIZER? You have class making the fertilizer and you actually make money from your Instead of costing so I think I think we we have to come to terms with this chemical industrial agriculture. From a number of points of view one is human health consequences the environmental consequences effect of these pesticides on pollinators. We've lost seventy five percent of our pollinators. That's terrible without ponders about soil. We can't grow the crops. I am so we have. We can't like we can't keep going this way and I actually like this is why. It's such an imperative why I wrote this book. Why did you departure for me? I think it's it's really a different kind of bugs me. It's a political book. It's it's about. How do we take action to solve these problems and in working with incredible team to actually create a whole campaign around this one of them's Republican strategists and? I'm I'm a Democrat. I'm like pretty clear about some of us on the book but I I. I was struck. Why why is the sky? Who's who's spent his whole life working on certain types of policies? Why would he take the time to come up and meet and be part of this initiative Read the book and we made it clear to me that this is the central issue our time and we have to solve it and I think this is one of the most important books of the last decade and I I just you know I feel like I need to be part of it. Sounds like wow? And he's like volunteering his time you know it's pretty. It's pretty impressive for him. I mean it's so clear that this issue cross political lions I mean maybe the proposed solutions might vary a little bit depending on one's politics for example you know the role of government regulation things like soda taxes. But I think it's virtually impossible to disagree. Whatever your political inclination is that this is one of the biggest challenges we face urgent that we address it. So tell us a little more about the campaign and how that's going to complement the book. I wrote the book because I felt like it was imperative to tell the story and that was the first now but what was really exciting to me. Is a number people reach out to me? They want to do something. Big Bigger and one of the guys was a guy who helped. Donald launches incredible one campaign that raised eighty seven billion dollars for AIDS and poverty really Africa through Congress and a bipartisan way. And he really knows how to run up in Washington and he's put together our whole team where we've got a policy group. A grassroots movement grew a business. You know C Suite Group for partnerships. I mean it's really really exciting and I think that there's a deep understanding of these issues in this group. You've got incredible. Champions are coming together to create this who got donors celebrities. We policymakers on board. So I feel like this is a really crucial moment where we actually make this happen. And and it's not whether whether current administration standard. I think there's ways of getting used on Washington that are a little below the radar and this is how we're going to work and be delivered strategic in. I'm so excited about doing is called the food fixed campaign and you can learn about it on her website. Food Fix Dot Com or dot Org With a sites coming up probably next month or so citing Israeli an exciting effort. Because I I. I'm worried about my children and their children. What does the future look like for? All of us and connecting the dots is been my life's work in and I began to think about feeding house in functional medicine but connecting dots that affect all these issues. That are for us to solve. I'm so glad that you you wrote the spoke mark now way is a bit of a departure for you but I I really feel like I agree on two percent with what others sad. It's it's for sure one of the most important books of the decade if not the century You Know I. I really believe that this is on the same scale as climate change in some of the other. Existential threats that that that we're facing and threatens humanity in a similar way so And I firmly believe as you know. We've discussed that. We won't be able to address this just by supporting individuals to make better choices because individuals are part of a system. They're part of this really complex web of influences Bit Are often unconscious and very very difficult to Avoid entirely because our basic brain programming is working against us in that way so I think change. I'm not you know Ab abdicating personal responsibility here. We all definitely have personal responsibility but I think we we really have to move beyond. No that was kind of the key insight for you yet recognizing this after doing what you've done for some for three decades that this is more this goes beyond individual choice. Exactly I mean it's it's It's such a bigger thing and we all can be part of it and I think you know. We often have discouraged and frustrated by state of things that were in no. We don't have the power to change things but we do. I mean just like what happened last few weeks. Quite the scene Kellogg's which you know in their cheerios. They were outed reading more like the state and vitamin A vitamin D. They announced they're going to phase out online state from their products by twenty twenty five. Which is fantastic. Which means it's going to change supply chains Change how Pharma's done General Mills. Same thing they are committed to a million acres regenerative ads nestle denounce. These companies are really focused on his issue. I are acting on it. Because consumers people like Ugo listening are making different choices demanding different things asking for different products. I see this happening and I was very skeptical about any movement in the food industry. But it's awesome and there's other levers people using financial leverage example investment. Levers where on this one guy. Jeremy Caller I talked about in the book I he. He essentially decided to gather Assets he's adventure primarily got any any got I twelve trillion dollars in institutional assets Antilles companies to get together to get all the big festival company. Ceo anti-biotics out of their feed chain by certain date. And it's not going to divest those companies so for example being invested into McDonalds. They're gonNA sell her shared not going to be good so they basically agreed they got twenty companies operating companies can get antibiotic sounded feet. So there's a lot of hope in. I think in this in this space lot of possibility and I'm really excited about absolutely. I am as well so I think a lot of people listening will want to get involved and be a part of the solution. So where can they learn more about the book and pick up a copy and if people want to get involved in this larger campaign? Is there a way to do that yet? Yes for sure? So food fix up dot or I'm sorry we Pittsburgh Dot com is the main website. And it'll come here for the campaign that's probably the easiest way to get it or still launching. It's GONNA official launch date. It's going to be made twenty twenty but It's it's pretty exciting. We've got forty five days strategy document. You got incredible networks together. Business leaders and scientists policymakers. And it's just really. It's pretty exciting. So I'm very very happy that you have in your podcast thing. It's really important to tell the story and I think we're in this moment in time where it's like acting the perfect moment. This all happened. Absolutely Markan I just have so much. Gratitude and appreciation for you and Having occurs willingness to write this book and you know get this message out there because I I really believe it's one of the most important of our time so thank you. Thank you okay. Everybody thanks for listening. Keep sending your questions in Chris Crutcher dot com slash podcast question. And we'll see you next time. That's the end of this episode of Revolution Health Radio. If you appreciate the show when it helped me create a healthier and happier world these head over to I tunes review. They really do make a difference if you'd like to ask a question for me to answer on a future episode. You can do that at Chris. Presser dot com slash podcast question? You can also leave a suggestion for someone. You'd like me to interview there. If you're on social media you can follow me at twitter dot com slash Chris Presser or facebook dot com slash. Chris Presser Al a C. I post a lot of articles and research that I do throughout the week there. 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